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feck me u would think antrim men would have something better to do than wind up derry men?sad sad people but then i suppose u cant expect much more for a county who footballers only get to an ulster final once every 60 years or so and as for last time they won one i doubt if there is too many around who can remember that. To be fair they have won a few more than derry but most of them are pre the first world war.

Very true but dont spend all our time crying about it,ffs get over it you were well beat by a better team.Just dry your eyes and look forward to another beating on Sat.

Correct me if i am wrong here but is this not a discussion board where the rights and wrongs of game effecting decisions can be discussed?? You dont have to read what derry and donegal men write in this thread you choose to read it. As far as I have read on this no derry supporter is crying about the result or indeed that donegall deserved the result on the day. What we have said is that the pen was soft, changed the game in donegals favour which as a team they took advantage of and therefore up for debate on wether it should have been given or not, as far as i can see this is the place to debate it, now i am sorry if this offends you but i dont really care if you are annoyed or not.

As for saturday we will talk about it after it happens maybe u will some thing descent to contribute instead of just shit stirring

feck me u would think antrim men would have something better to do than wind up derry men?sad sad people but then i suppose u cant expect much more for a county who footballers only get to an ulster final once every 60 years or so and as for last time they won one i doubt if there is too many around who can remember that. To be fair they have won a few more than derry but most of them are pre the first world war.

dry your eyes what about a certain tyrone ref robbing donegal a few years ago when he disallowed a donegal score for a square infrigement so what goes around goes around

Eh? How is what a TYRONE ref did relevant to a game between DERRY and DONEGAL

We'll never know if Derry would have won that game had the penalty not been given but for anyone to argue that Donegal won emphatically anyway, they just don't understand football.  Once Donegal get a lead on you, they are impossible to play against.  Once they got the four point lead up, they withdrew even more men behind the ball.  Derry hadn't been gung ho up until about 45 minutes in and they had contained the Donegal forward line rightly.  0-05 apiece at half time was maybe even harsh on Derry, who were the better side in the final 20 minutes of the half.  The goal gave them a lead and as time went on, Derry had to throw more and more men forward.  Donegal's counter attacks were excellent and they kicked a few brilliant scores but they were benefited hugely by the space that was created in the Derry defence by them needing to go forward and try to get back in the game.  Donegal would not have won by six points if they hadn't been given that penalty, they might not have won at all because they hadn't looked like scoring a goal either.

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U know what there is no talking to u it was a soft pen and 99 times outta 100 it would not have been given sundays match just happened to be the one it was given in. As said before on here murphy looked surprised when it was given and initially didnt seem to appeal for it. The forwards reaction to these things usually tell u a lot about an incident.

You Derry lads who are still crying about the Donegal penalty should cop on. It was the correct decision. You were unlucky with the one you weren't given, and IF it had been scored, you MIGHT have got back into the game, although given the ineptness of your attacking play to that point I wouldn't have bet on it. Overall though, Donegal were well deserving winners.

although most likely biased, as a qualified referee I most def wouldnt have given it. Prob wouldnt have given the Derry one either. Also speaking to many other refs, and reading listening to many pundits/ex players in the media - more than half of them wouldnt have given it.

On the radio driving home from clones, Ross car would have given both, but Sean o'Domhnaill and MJ tierney criticised the ref for giving it.

Either way it doesnt matter now.Deegan gave it and the game is over.

On what basis would you not have given either? The Derry one, if it was shoulder to shoulder, fair enough, but it looked high. The Donegal one was a clear trip by the Derry keeper when he dove in for the ball and missed. Don't see where the room for the doubt is, honestly!

+1 If the same thing happened out the field a free would have been given.

A free to who exactly they collided?? there would be a lot more frees in games if u were ref. its a contact sport for god sake

You Derry lads who are still crying about the Donegal penalty should cop on. It was the correct decision. You were unlucky with the one you weren't given, and IF it had been scored, you MIGHT have got back into the game, although given the ineptness of your attacking play to that point I wouldn't have bet on it. Overall though, Donegal were well deserving winners.

although most likely biased, as a qualified referee I most def wouldn't have given it. Prob wouldn't have given the Derry one either. Also speaking to many other refs, and reading listening to many pundits/ex players in the media - more than half of them wouldn't have given it.

On the radio driving home from clones, Ross car would have given both, but Sean o'Domhnaill and MJ tierney criticised the ref for giving it.

Either way it doesnt matter now.Deegan gave it and the game is over.

On what basis would you not have given either? The Derry one, if it was shoulder to shoulder, fair enough, but it looked high. The Donegal one was a clear trip by the Derry keeper when he dove in for the ball and missed. Don't see where the room for the doubt is, honestly!

I really don't understand why u keep calling it a trip other than to reinforce your own agenda. The two men ran into each other (in no way was this a trip and ur only person i have heard describe it as so) this happens numerous times in matches and generally no foul is given thats why a lot of people reckon it should not have been a penalty. Maybe if murphy had control of ball or any chance getting it before it went wide which i doubt as it was well gone before the 2 made contact. End of day the ref gave it nothing said now will change that and donegal took full advantage and won the game, they were better team from that point on because the cushion of the pen gave them the opportunity to impose their gameplan and pack the defense. No one knows how game would have went if pen was not given but neither team had started well in second half and was a draw at half time. Derry were not at best in first half and despite that drew level by half time because. But as i say donegal got the break they needed to impose their style on game and rest is history. I think at this stage u can at least acknowledge it was a soft penalty award at the very least but as u a pig headed donegal native i doubt that will happen

I would as these players had a mental block in that they lost 7 semis. We finally won one it might not be lot in your. Eyes but I feel its something derry can build on. Brennan is old fashioned but at this moment in time that's what derry need. Hopefully we can build from here

Also brennans tactic of blaming ref and not players is his way of trying to lift his players for the kildare match and maybe create an us against the world mentality in them. Might work not easy to bring players back to their feet so soon after a defeat in a final

Tbh sundays conditions suited donegal in that the main weapons to beat a team with donegals tatics were negated as long range point taking and accurate long passing are made nearly impossible. Meaning that donegal had time to get back and pack defence. Maybe if roles reversed donegal would have won any way but only because brennans derry don't do packed defenses like donegal do with their anti football approach. Don't get me wrong donegal did what they thought they needed to win and made most of what ref gave them I hope derry would have done same in that situation. But I don't but into the notion that donegal would have won penalty or not as it was even up till that point. Derry may be on way out but there has been strides forward for derry and the mental block of not getting to final next step is to win one. Kildare this sat won't get it as easy as a lot of u boys seem to think.

Yeah but take the donegal pen out of it as it should not have been given and put in the derry one that should have been given that wipes out the six points. Without the pen would donegal have got them two points or kill off game the way they did I doubt it. Neither team had started second half too well and the ball in for pen was more a hopeful punt than a pass. And just cause u write a wee bita irish at end of a post don't make ur points any more correct

Nobackdoor ur contradicting urself now as it was the penalty that kick started donegals second half dominance and I think they would not have played so well without it. The penalty gave donegal upper hand and the room to impose their ultra defensive style on rest of game

Think the point is the free is no being given j20. And just because its been used against donegal in past does not justify themusing and expanding on it now

Cant agree for me it was a collision and not a foul the 2 men ran into each other when they both missed ball just cause they collided does not mean there was a foul or that it should go automatically against the keeper . Donegals dominance started after that as derry heads dropped there can be no debate that pen was a major turning point.

f**k me kernan was at a loss to what it was given for. If donegal had conceeded it u would have said it was soft. Devlin was not late he took eye off ball missed it and collided with murphy. Don't know how ref could have give it with being so far away from incident at the time