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Kennedy  wasn't there for Mayo Game in Omagh   and Tyrone got cleaned out in Midfield

They got cleaned out in other games when he was playing.

Which other games did they get cleaned out? Mayo was by a long, long distance Tyrone's worst performance of the year. I don't think it's a coincidence it was the only game Kennedy didn't play in. And bearing in mind he's been playing with a groin/ hernia injury all year I don't think he's been near his best.

Very often it's not about winning clean ball but taking away a team's first choice. Take the Dublin game - the talk in the build up was around O'Cofaigh Byrne. He was made a none factor due to Kennedy's influence.

Even at the weekend Kerry didn't exactly dominate the Tyrone kick out - in fact it was the opposite in the first half. They just made much better use of the ball they did get. And I think the issues there come back to getting forwards that can hold their own physically and take a man on.

I'm on record somewhere on this forum as talking up Conor O'Neill as one for the near future but at the minute he'd be on the other wing to Daly. His aerial ball winning as we saw in the U20 final wasn't his strength but his kickpassing is something we could be doing with more off.

Armagh? I just don't get this love in for Tyrone's midfield. Compare the pair to Michael Langan or O'connor. Langan has scored in the region of 1 25, 26 from midfield. Not sure of the stats but what has been the return from Tyrone's midfield?

Kennedy  wasn't there for Mayo Game in Omagh   and Tyrone got cleaned out in Midfield

They got cleaned out in other games when he was playing.

Is Kennedy too valuable out the field to be kept in full forward? 

Tyrone felt like they needed an X Factor surprise tactic that never materialised.

Tyrone are not winning 3 all irelands in a row calm down.

Kennedy? What has he scored this year? Not mobile enough for me. Its not as if Tyrone are dominant in the air. Conor O'Neill can score, set up scores and can get up and down the pitch. He's the future.

[Went further than Armagh, Dublin, Mayo, Galway]

O'Rourke isn't exactly known for winning big games outside of Ulster in fairness

You're not wrong. You would think a better manager would have kept it closer with the quality Tyrone have.

6 points to a Kerry team much further down the road. Maybe see where Tyrone where when O'Rourke took over. Very far from an All Ireland semi-final.. Went further than Armagh, Dublin, Mayo, Galway..
Poor today but overall improvement.

Congratulations on that title. I doubt very much it means anything to the players, so if it means something to you, I'd suggest that tells us much more about you than the team.

Give over with the "only six points" narrative. As pointed out it could easily have been 16 if it wasn't for some brilliance from Morgan and uncharacteristic Kerry profligacy.

Tyrone are still in a great position and have a conveyor belt the envy of every other county. They've all the talent in the world and will be contending for years to come but there's a serious attitude problem that needs addressed if they're to get anywhere. The sort of brain dead decision making on show there today is like a steroid to the opposition. Just allows them to keep tapping over points while Tyrone implode.  At one point where the game was there to be won, Kilpatrick made an inspirational catch and absolutely horsed a lad out of it. A free run in from about 50 yards out, Kerry backpedalling and they kicked it harmlessly wide. Kerry in particular have been shown over the years to panic and shit the bed in tight games but if you give them a 5 or 6 point lead and don't put any pressure on them on the scoreboard, they'll just coast home every time.

The likes of Kilpatrick and McKernan need to cut out the needless twattery as well. One day one of them will get the line and it'll be the difference between winning and losing.

O'Rourke isn't exactly known for winning big games outside of Ulster in fairness

You're not wrong. You would think a better manager would have kept it closer with the quality Tyrone have.

6 points to a Kerry team much further down the road. Maybe see where Tyrone where when O'Rourke took over. Very far from an All Ireland semi-final.. Went further than Armagh, Dublin, Mayo, Galway..
Poor today but overall improvement.

Congratulations on that title. I doubt very much it means anything to the players, so if it means something to you, I'd suggest that tells us much more about you than the team.

Give over with the "only six points" narrative. As pointed out it could easily have been 16 if it wasn't for some brilliance from Morgan and uncharacteristic Kerry profligacy.

Tyrone are still in a great position and have a conveyor belt the envy of every other county. They've all the talent in the world and will be contending for years to come but there's a serious attitude problem that needs addressed if they're to get anywhere. The sort of brain dead decision making on show there today is like a steroid to the opposition. Just allows them to keep tapping over points while Tyrone implode.  At one point where the game was there to be won, Kilpatrick made an inspirational catch and absolutely horsed a lad out of it. A free run in from about 50 yards out, Kerry backpedalling and they kicked it harmlessly wide. Kerry in particular have been shown over the years to panic and shit the bed in tight games but if you give them a 5 or 6 point lead and don't put any pressure on them on the scoreboard, they'll just coast home every time.

The likes of Kilpatrick and McKernan need to cut out the needless twattery as well. One day one of them will get the line and it'll be the difference between winning and losing.

Brilliant post.Am I the only Tyrone man that thinks our midfield is dreadful?

Our midfield is invisible and has been all year

That's not true, Mulgrew has been one of the standout players on the pitch.

The one that gave the ball away? They've been poor all year. Was Donaghy that gave it away for the goal too. Very lucky to win in the end I thought

I have to say bigfullforward must be a relative of a jilted U17 midfielder. We are so proud of James - he is a great player and a great prospect for Tyrone. I thought he was unlucky not to get MOTM. He's a modest lad who is skilful and works hard every day. To say he is invisible is laughable. He finished the Championship with 0-17 from midfield - scoring in every game. The other 3 midfielders before today had 1-0, 0-2 & 0-1. A combined 1-3.

Well Done Tyrone and Well Done to Our very own James Mulgrew!!!!!

I don't recall saying he doesn't work hard or any of that. Absolutely fair play to him and well done. I just don't think they dominated in the middle of the park like others seem to think. Feels like Kerry won the majority of the 50/50 ball until our full back came up to win a few

Give it up. Young Mulgrew was superb yesterday and has been the whole campaign.

All true. You would imagine that if he is as good as he is meant to be, West Ham are hardly going to tear up the contract if he plays the game

Would you jeopardise a million pound career if there was any risk? As great as it would be to play in an AI final, imagine getting so close to every kids dream just to miss out at the last second.

Good luck to the lad but the chances of a lucrative deal are remote....99% of academy/ youth players are released before hitting the big time.
He will likely return to play irish league football in two years time...wishing he had played in the final.

I think any of us in that position would do what that lad has the chance to do at his age. Fair play to him.

Go and try it, like AFL or NFL. Live it and enjoy it for a year or two and see how it goes. If it doesn't work out after a year or two, come home and keep going at sport.

Depending how he goes, I don't think he'll be saying to himself in a year or two, ahh, I wish I had played in that minor final. That begrudgery at it's finest. He'll have banked a lot more life experiences that that.

There's been no word from the Tyrone camp and the team has not been named. Unless I've missed it.

Mind the time the Kerry lads were convinced Stephen O'Neill tried to poison them with water. They are a mad bunch of eegits down there.

Wow. That's unhinged.

Fair few unhinged things I've seen over the years during Kerry v Tyrone games. Dodgy water bottles wouldn't feature in the top 10. 😬

Go on give us the top 10 for a laugh.

Portlaoise for the final venue?

The last 2 U20 games between the sides have been played in Portlaoise.

Tyrone asked for a couple of weeks delay one year...

I don't think they got lost.

I'm a biteen biased maybe....but that was the most exciting game I've seen in years.

Well done the Roscommon. I'd say semi against ourselves will be back at Breffni.

Could Conor Owens offer something at 11 in the mould of John Maher. Good size, mobile, running power, good range of passing and scoring threat?

We need at least one out and out forward on the 40s, 3 generalists/grafters doesn't work

You obviously have not seen Maher in the flesh. A massive man in comparison to Owens.
Owens is a good player surely, no doubt about that.
We need a playmaker at 11. Gets on the ball, plays quality bouncing passes into the inside line, must be athletic and pacy plays capable of taking a score himself.  Not easy found and to be honest, nobody in Tyrone springs to mind bar Peter Harte & Mattie D
Armagh have 3 options - Grugan / Rian / Conaty
Donegal gave Thompson / Murphy
Kerry have O'Shea / Clifford
Galway - Maher and the young lad Thompson looks good even though he is 20. A superb passer he is and gets on the scoresheet all the time
Any other suggestions for Tyrone either in or outside the current set up?

Conor O'Neill, Matthew Quinn or last years U20 number 11 C Devlin. All great foot passers.

Cork seemed to be happy with putting up a decent showing.
If we win v Louth I think we play Tyrone?

That's correct. Tyrone v the winners of Louth/Rossies.

Is it fair to say that the new rules are not suited to Tyrone?

Seems to have weakened Morgan's strengths with kick-outs. When he had multiple options, short and long, he was able to bang it cleverly to someone down the middle. Now that it's a lottery whether he hits it long due to the number of bodies outfield, his accuracy is on the decline. In addition, we seem to be reliant on one man (BK) to field the ball.

I don't think that's true. Teams that were good under the old rules last year (Armagh, Donegal and Galway) are still the top teams. They've good squads and are well managed.

Tyrone lack a clear kick-out strategy. If I have to watch another Tyrone player point into empty space whilst the ball flies over his head to an unmarked player I'll cry. We got lucky Patton was injured last week, he'd have pulled our press apart.

What was the stats for Donegals kick outs last week? Tyrone didn't dominate their kick outs? Patton may not have made any difference.

Potter on the development panel anyway. Looks a talent but judging by the likes of Shea Ohare there is a bit of S&C/experience required to bring upto standard

Seen O'Hare brought up a few times tonight.What game time has he had compared to some? The experienced players with years of s&c behind them were shocking.

O'Hare started and came on in several league games. He really didn't show anything in those games.

Compared to others?

Can someone explain that performance to me please and thank you.

A shocking performance compounded by shocking management. Was at the game and much of the analysis is all wrong. Defence actually done very well given that the forwards were holding onto nothing and midfield was getting overrun. Ciaran Daly was actually excellent today, certainly stopped a point or two and a certain goal in the 50 min.

O'Rourke and Porters coaching of kick-outs are shambolic, it cost us big time against Armagh and once again today. We play zonal marking on Mayos kick outs and on our own guys just run around and then Morgan boots it long to an area where no Tyrone players are because they've all run short.

It was clear after 30 mins that canavan, mc curry and Bradley playing on top of each other wasn't working. MOR left them all on for 50mins and his only solution was to play Matty at FF and Bradley at wing forward. That's 2 players playing out of position with zero impact on the game. Tyrone actually bucked up and dragged themselves back to within a point in the 2nd half (mostly because Bradley was out of the way and Canavan and McCurry had room to play).

MOR then made 3 shocking subs to ruin Tyrone again. Ruari, Donaghey and O'Hare were all shocking when introduced. Again Ruairi played out of position at wing forward led to a penalty and free conceded and O'Hare gave away 3 really stupid frees and lost an easy kick out.

We've a big problem coming out of defence with nobody who can comfortably kick the ball forward. McKernan is having a stellar season but he's not comfortable kick passing. Neither can Daly, Con, McGeary, Donaghy or Seanie. MOR really needs to include some variety in the team and not rely solely on just a running game.

The lack of MF depth behind Con and Kennedy is a big problem too but I'd blame MOR for the complete failure to construct any kind of kickout plan or kick out press. McShane should have been made an option at MF, don't know why management froze him out. I had some sympathy for MOR at the start of season but he doesn't seem to learn any lessons from week to week, we see the same problems occur time and time again. There's only so many excuses you can make for him.

C Daly excellent? Are you for real? What did he score? Did he win any ball around the middle? Taken off again?