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Thanks for that Gerard ... I mean Fadder ... sorry I mean Simon

Another post saying nothing at all.

Now that I've taken apart Greenwald's bullshit about the imaginary peace deal, how long do we have to wait before the next YouTube video?

What will it be, the imaginary coup? The imaginary NATO aggression towards a nuclear armed Russia?

Regards,

Simon OP

Wait, forget about the Nabka and the recent genocide and everything else in between.

Has anyone considered telling the Palestinians they should just stop fighting and surrender?

If they object, tell them to study 'Dulce et decorum est' by Wilfred Owen. They could learn a thing or two from that and finally have peace in their land.

Regards,

Si.

trolling again luca/fr murphy/ si etc. etc.

all calls have been for a ceasefire and peace... not surrender or more war... Hard for war mongers to understand.

surprising no lectures why the west should arm palestinians to stop a genocide from you..  Arabs not as important as Ukrainians.

Oh hello, it's you.

Pointing out lunatic western idiocy is not trolling.

You call for peace? How admirable. I hereby call for peace in Ukraine and Palestine too. Let me know when Putin and Netanyahu get my message and peace is delivered.

Everyone wants peace and no more war (everywhere) but when you're being invaded by a genocidal imperial neighbour bent on conquest do you think it's appropriate to lecture the defenders with WW1 poetry?

Regards,

Si.

yes its me, one of the hundreds of posters not constantly banned for insulting and trolling..

your comment about the Palestinians surrendering was trolling...

I'm not lecturing anyone, I'm posting my opinions on a gaaboard... I dont know what's an appropriate response to your insults and trolling... I am going back to ignoring you.. theskull and others can choose their own response.

Lots of insults fly around this forum mostly from the old hands who can get away with whatever they like.

My post about Palestinians surrendering was applying Skulls logic to Palestine to highlight the idiocy of what he was saying and the double standards he applies. That is not trolling.

Best you put me on ignore, that way you won't have to watch me take apart the pro-Russian propaganda that yourself and others watch and spread. Interesting that you call fact checking, trolling.

You can't handle the truth.

Regards,

Si.

Wait, forget about the Nabka and the recent genocide and everything else in between.

Has anyone considered telling the Palestinians they should just stop fighting and surrender?

If they object, tell them to study 'Dulce et decorum est' by Wilfred Owen. They could learn a thing or two from that and finally have peace in their land.

Regards,

Si.

trolling again luca/fr murphy/ si etc. etc.

all calls have been for a ceasefire and peace... not surrender or more war... Hard for war mongers to understand.

surprising no lectures why the west should arm palestinians to stop a genocide from you..  Arabs not as important as Ukrainians.

Oh hello, it's you.

Pointing out lunatic western idiocy is not trolling.

You call for peace? How admirable. I hereby call for peace in Ukraine and Palestine too. Let me know when Putin and Netanyahu get my message and peace is delivered.

Everyone wants peace and no more war (everywhere) but when you're being invaded by a genocidal imperial neighbour bent on conquest do you think it's appropriate to lecture the defenders with WW1 poetry?

Regards,

Si.

Wait, forget about the Nabka and the recent genocide and everything else in between.

Has anyone considered telling the Palestinians they should just stop fighting and surrender?

If they object, tell them to study 'Dulce et decorum est' by Wilfred Owen. They could learn a thing or two from that and finally have peace in their land.

Regards,

Si.

Harris really really rattled him by taunting him about people leaving his rallieS.

Such a fragile ego.

My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori

You think Ukrainians are fighting for conquest and glory?

They have been invaded by the revanchist imperial power next door.

Greenwald doesn't stack up.
Sachs doesn't stack up.
Mearsheimer doesn't stack up.

So now you're resorting to reading poetry to people fighting against an attempted genocide of their country.

Go and stand in the ruins of Gaza and read 'Dulce et decorum est' to the Palestinian resistance while you're at it.

Your arrogance is astounding.

Regards,

Si.

Viktor Yanukovych was a great fella, democratically elected until he started progressing trade deals with Russia

Yeah some Ukrainians definitely thought he was a great fella, falling for his promise of closer ties with the EU. And as it happens his vote in 2010 was strongest in the east of Ukraine and in Crimea.

So here we have a man, running for election on a ticket promising closer ties with the EU, a man who negotiated the Ukraine EU Association agreement, presented it before the Ukrainian parliament who ratified it, went to Vilnius to sign it, then promptly declared he won't sign it and will instead open dialogue and talks with Moscow about closer economic ties. A betrayal of ALL those who voted for him, and yes that means the Ukrainian people of Donbas and Crimea.

That's not even mentioning the billions he embezzled from the country's coffers.

Your hatred of the west and the US skews your thinking, making you think Ukrainians should just lap that shit up.

They didn't and once Yanukovych set the Berkut and Titushky on the protestors his days were numbered.

People hopes and dreams of a better future for themselves and their country, stolen. But for you, just a glib observation on something you have no knowledge about but which chimes with your already determined world view.

Stay in your lane.

Regards,

Si.

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Can you point to me how that short interview with Nuland is 'proof' that Boris Johnson torpedoed a peace deal?

You mean like the Weapons of Mass Destruction proof or the Widgery Tribunal proof? I'm sorry I can't .... you win

You've got nothing.

I will win every time because there is nothing.

You repeat claims coming from the Kremlin, disseminated by the usual sources.

When challenged you can't substantiate or back up a single claim.

Then wait a week or two, and hey presto, off you go again, like a little wind up toy, triggered by the same old repackaged nonsense.

You've got nothing but hot air.

Regards,

Simon OP.

Can you point to me how that short interview with Nuland is 'proof' that Boris Johnson torpedoed a peace deal?

It's not even a leap in logic, it's complete fantasy.

Regards,

Si.

So many people unable to get out of the 'one side good other side bad' mentality 

Pro understanding the geopolitical realities is not pro Russian.

I can understand why the US didn't like the USSR defending Cuba when they asked them for assistance. Likewise I can understand why Russia didn't like all the NATO activity in and around their bordering countries in recent years.

List of NATO exercises

I'm also in agreement in principal with true blue that every country should have the right to choose its own security arrangements. The problem is that many countries governments now serve global elites and not by the will of the people so it's never as clear cut as you would like. NATO wouldn't look like a peace keeping force to Russians when you look at their activity in the last 10 years would it?

And lets not get into how many regime changes have came about through Western involvements in those countries they decide they don't like (because they won't play ball)

You can't get out of the way of the 'it's always the fault of the west and USA' mentality instilled in you by reading too much Chomsky and listening to the likes of Greenwald.

You're mistaking believing Russian propaganda for 'nuance'.

NATO can't invade and could never invade Russia because they have nuclear weapons. They can't and they won't. It's that simple.

Russia can't touch NATO members. (At least I used to think so but with the cowardice shown by the US and Germany I'm not so sure anymore. Poland and the Baltics definitely have doubts too).

NATO membership limits Russian imperialism. (Putin will probably test this theory at some point)

Everything else from you is just hot air.

Regards,

Si OParlon.

The full interview is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiS2dg_atfc

So straight away on the Nuland interview, when the interviewer moves onto the topic of the Istanbul negotiations he opens with:

Interviewer: '..speaking of another negotiation process...Istanbul 2022'

Nuland: 'This is another Russian myth..good grief..an urban legend, yeah' 

This has not been included in Greenwald's clip of Nuland's 'admission'.

Greenwald keeps pausing to give his narrative to everything in case the viewer's thought process strays. He says Ukrainians representatives said there was a 'tonne of progress'. No they didn't Greenwald.

He then lists a lot of concessions that Ukraine had apparently agreed to meet that would have appeased Russian 'concerns'. In fact nothing had been agreed on.

BTW. Nuland hasn't even said anything yet, it's all just Greenwald at this stage.

The clip is heavily edited.

The interwiewer mentions Bennet the Israeli and Arakhamia thens asks 'Where is the myth, where is the truth?'

Nuland starts her answer with 'Well look only the negotiators know for sure because they were in the room..'  and then speaks for about 1:20 mins giving some context.

Greenwald edits all this out.

She then explains that Ukraine asked for advice and the US pointed out to them that the agreement would hamstring Ukraine and leave them defenceless and open to Russian attack in the future.

Greenwald then pauses and gives his narrative to make sure the viewer is on board with his nonsense.

She goes on to explain that there were no similar constraints put on Russia and that the 'agreement' proposals were a trap.

Basically the whole Greenwald video is a nothing burger. Heavily edited. Interrupted every sentence so that Glenn can explain everything to you with more Russian myths and lies.

I knew that before I started but there you go. Another few hours wasted online.

Greenwald is a grifter and anyone who falls for his grift is extremely gullible and needs to learn some critical thinking skills.

Regards,

Si OParlon.

 

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Why would he direct it to the West when it's Russia that invaded Ukraine?

Your post doesn't make sense.

If you're not familiar with the 'NYET MEANS NYET: RUSSIA'S NATO ENLARGEMENT REDLINES' memo from 2008, I suggest you do some research.

They knew right well that these chess moves would result in a new cold war and regional instability. This is all by design. Ukrainian conscripts are nothing but pawns for greedy western elites.

Also the idea that there was a peace deal or that Boris Johnson had the power to torpedo a deal is laughable. Where did you get such a notion?

Boris was the one who flew to Ukraine and lets say got the blame for scuppering the Istanbul peace talks, but of course he was merely a conduit .............did you watch that youtube video above discussing it?

Complete Kremlin spoof. Russia's redlines are bollix. Every country has a right to choose its own security arrangements. Russia have no right to tell other countries what they can and can't do. Especially given their history. Why do you think Ukraine want NATO membership, with Russia on its doorstep.

This pro-Russian stance is very odd coming from Irishmen given our own struggle with our near neighbour.

Ukraine's history chimes with Ireland's.

Should Ireland obey British red lines for ever more amen?

If not, why should Ukraine.

Regards,

Si

Why would he direct it to the West when it's Russia that invaded Ukraine?

Your post doesn't make sense.

If you're not familiar with the 'NYET MEANS NYET: RUSSIA'S NATO ENLARGEMENT REDLINES' memo from 2008, I suggest you do some research.

They knew right well that these chess moves would result in a new cold war and regional instability. This is all by design. Ukrainian conscripts are nothing but pawns for greedy western elites.

Also the idea that there was a peace deal or that Boris Johnson had the power to torpedo a deal is laughable. Where did you get such a notion?

Boris was the one who flew to Ukraine and lets say got the blame for scuppering the Istanbul peace talks, but of course he was merely a conduit .............did you watch that youtube video above discussing it?

NATO enlarged because countries that were formerly run by Russian puppet dictatorships during the cold war became democratic, elected representative governments and then applied to join a military alliance so that they could remain free from Russia. Have you an issue with sovereign governments making their own decisions or do they need to run it past the local imperial power?

I started watching your video and was dismayed to see the odious Glenn Greenwald. I'll get round to it all later but from the one minute introduction I see a few clangers. (And I think I'll watch the whole video rather than just Mr. Greenwald's clip to see if there is any missing context)

Errors in introduction:

1. Victoria Nuland 'ran' Ukraine. Eh no she didn't. They have a democratically elected president who runs the country.

2. There was a coup in Ukraine. Again no. There was a grassroots protest due to the president's broken promise and after he was impeached he decided to run to Moscow. He was still president when he ran. He probably didn't want to face jail for his many crimes.

3. Nuland was going to choose who to run Ukraine. I presume Greenwald is refereeing the leaked phone call. That's a call where she was talking about who she thought the Prime Minister should be as part of a deal brokered by Yanukovych himself and the opposition. Nuland is very arrogant but Greenwald is talking nonsense.

So. I'll watch the interview between Nuland and the Russian later but 0/10 for Greenwald so far.

How do you watch this nonsense?

Regards,

Si

Without knowing the in's and out's of H&W, I do think it's not sustainable to keep something running that consistently operating at a loss.
Regardless of history or jobs, ultimately someone pays for that loss so at some point the difficult decision has to be made.

At the same time, I also think it's incredibly risky to just throw the towel in when it comes to manufacturing/engineering industry in favour of tourism or business districts. If Covid showed us anything, it was that in times of emergency if you don't have your own manufacturing capability you could be in difficulty. If, across the Island, we decide to focus entirely on IT/Pharma etc, we are exposing ourselves to risk in the future I feel.
This is where government should be coming in, with incentives for engineering/manufacturing investment alongside the tech/pharma industries.

It's difficult to marry the need for manufacturing to the need for profitability when competing against the likes of China and with no real obvious compelling current need for on-shoring, but I think it's short sighted to not try to build that industry.

Wasn't there a study done recently that showed Ireland would be completely screwed if 4 or 5 US companies went elsewhere?

I think you need to direct your accusations to the West MainSt. How many people have died since Boris torpedo'd the peace deal?

The US knew donkeys ago that "Nyet Means Nyet". They could not give one fcuk about Ukrainian lives

Why would he direct it to the West when it's Russia that invaded Ukraine?

Your post doesn't make sense.

Also the idea that there was a peace deal or that Boris Johnson had the power to torpedo a deal is laughable. Where did you get such a notion?