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Tradition my Ar** Im my lifetime I have seen Offaly winning their first football in 1971 and first hurling in 1981 Clare winning in 1998 their second one first one in 1914 they had no tradition behind them but that didn't stop them it's no coincidence that Offaly have won a football under 20 and appeared in a minor and under 20 twice since Duignan became chairman. If the right people are at the top anything is possible but with clowns in charge all your have is a circus

I think the work was done before MD cam in. He just added to it.

They are a small county, but are in a good location in the midlands.  For both football and especially hurling.

That's a huge help.

They had to buy their stationery in Sligo their reputation for paying people was that bad pre Duignan

Duignan and the people with him the likes of Carina Carroll Dervil Dolan and Keith Screeney and 50/60 more are all top notch professionals

Quality attracts Quality and also gives People comfort in the knowledge their money will be well spent if it's committed

Tradition my Ar** Im my lifetime I have seen Offaly winning their first football in 1971 and first hurling in 1981 Clare winning in 1998 their second one first one in 1914 they had no tradition behind them but that didn't stop them it's no coincidence that Offaly have won a football under 20 and appeared in a minor and under 20 twice since Duignan became chairman. If the right people are at the top anything is possible but with clowns in charge all your have is a circus

Laois couldn't organise a combined schools football team this year with 6 months notice

Something that Offaly have been using successfully for the past few years

Hurling in Portlaoise Schools is non existent

Offaly have lads hurling with the county from "football" clubs

Good luck with that happening in laois


The likes of Offaly have people wanting to get involved with development squads

Laois have lads being pressganged into taking on development squads

Apathy is the defining factor in Laois GAA

And it won't ever change

We had no tradition in minor football in the ninenties but we still were able to win 2 and play in a third final with no clatter of all ireland winners involved at any level it can be done but if it's not led properly from the top like any business it cannot suceed

We have no tradition of winning Senior All Irelands where as Offaly have

Offaly and all involved with them have ambitions beyond winning All Irelands at minor and u20 and good luck to them

After watching Offaly un20 on TnaG last night with their Passion and brilliant workrate and no little skill and the thousands of their followers completely enthralled we Laois can only wish that a man of the calibre of Michael Duignan can emerge from the county and replicate what he has done ,I know he is not totally responsible for it all but he put the framework and personnel in place to let nights like last night attainable.  We can only dream

Laois miles behind in every area in comparison to Offaly

Offaly which is a smaller County population wise to Laois

Offaly also have tradition and a good few all ireland medal winners involved at all levels which counts for something

Laois don't

The 2022 Minor Leinster Final v Offaly will be the high point of Laois underage Hurling for many years to come

I am trying to find out information about the Celtic challenge. Seems hard to come by.
This year laois are in the division 3 final v mayo
2023 laois didn't make it out of group stage
2022 lost division 4 final
2021 -1997 any one any information???
1996 won division 4 final.

Seem laois have always been in division 3 or 4 of the competition.


Have laois ever won division 3 or higher ??

Celtic Challenge started in 2016

Laois have always been in and around Division 3/4

I see laois Celtic challenge team is playing in the semi finals. They are in division 3 should laois not trying to be aim higher than division 3 ?

Hardly

Playing Meath in the semifinal

When Meath already beat them in the round robin section 1-15 to 2-07

Cusack Park in Ennis after getting the go ahead to increase capacity from 18.8k to over 20k to accommodate Clare v Limerick

Great article/ piece with Jim Mcguinness in today's Irish News, a full throated defence of USFC & the provincial series. He made the point, that has been made here before, that counties trying to compete v Dublin and Kerry need financial support and development plans to make them competitive  again - as a better alternative to just scrapping them.

The provincial structure is broken and most people just want them moved to the start of the season. Most counties voted for a structure in 2021 which would see them be played first followed by a league based championship. Now we've ended up with a structure which tries to please everyone and is condensed into half the year despite having more games.

If most counties voted that it would have been seen with the vote The current structure we have was voted in by Congress and any change will have to be done via Congress again.

Anyone I have spoken to recently about this said that the system doesn't work. There is no objection to making time for clubs but they all say there are too many games in too short a time period. People hope Jarlath burns will put some smacht on things. 

Too many games doesn't wash. Nearly everyone thats ever played will say they'd far rather play more games rather than train for weeks on end behind games.

I predict a  grassroots movement for change at the next Congress.

Grassroots ?

Grassroots is the club's, son who are delighted with the defined split season

Not so happy are the paid shills and expensed intercounty managers who have had a bit of power taken away from them.

Oh and the prawn sandwich crew which live for the days in Premium in "Croker" and would struggle to find their nearest club grounds

Maybe the Club Players Association with its 25,000 members should come back into being to lobby every CLUB delegate before every county convention, should any motion to erode what has been hard won come before Congress

Everybody who follows county has a club and is grassroots. It is not one or the other. People are happy with more time for clubs but not with the state of the all Ireland- things like not playing in August and September, the rushed nature of things, the lack of joined up thinking.

The current all Ireland system is not a solution. And club vs county is not a culture war. Most people are both. They want an all Ireland system that works.

Go on then

Give us a system that "works"

Because all I'm seeing everywhere is a whole load of lads that are making money out of the game whinging

But not offering a lot of workable solutions

Have you ever come across Michael Foley's analysis? He did it in last Sunday's sunday times.
There are too many matches that don't mean anything. The league has been devalued.The championship has elements of the league. And there is no margin.  I think the club idea is fine. It's how the championship is run

This is what he said : 


"The GAA aren't quite there yet with running the provincial championship in early spring before stretching a league-based all Ireland championship from April to early august "

What would you think of that ?

Firstly that's Michael Foleys solution not your own

Do you have a solution that isn't anyone else's ?

Secondly

Foleys solution adds a week at most to the intercounty season which isn't what the vast majority of anti split season proponents in the media are looking for.

They want a return to all Irelands in September

Thirdly

It's highly improbable that the GAA will ditch their second most important national competition


Here's what I'd do and I'm speaking purely from a hurling viewpoint

1.Every County needs at least 2 hybrid pitchs and every province at least one dome

The weather is changing and infrastructure needs to be put in  to recognise this and also allow for greater numbers playing our games

A trip to Iceland might open lads eyes in terms of sporting infrastructure

2.Intercounty season goes from January to end July

Club August to December

3.Put a cap on intercounty training sessions and a cap on team spending

Both are an out of control industry at the minute

You had that football manager from Roscommon claiming they had done 75 sessions in 80 days like it was some sort of badge of honor when even anyone with basic cop on would know that rest and recovery are more important than training

Counties allowed to start training end of November at the minute

Ban that also

County Training starts January

Players needs at least December off if they aren't involved in club finals

Monitor Enforce and Fine heavily if it's being broken

4.Scrap all early season competitions

Scrap League Semi finals

Scrap preliminary championship quarter finals

The winner of the Joe Mc Donagh plays Liam McCarthy the following year but get rid of the farce of the Joe McDonagh finalists taking trimmings every year in the preliminary quarter finals

All this frees up a min of 2 months in a 6 month schedule

5.Market the Games

Lads claiming that All Irelands in September inspires kids

We have had 120 odd Hurling Finals in September and Hurling hasn't grown outside of its traditional base in all that time

GAA marketing is a laughable oxymoron

The only time it's been effective is when the likes of Guinness have ran campaigns

Headhunt and hire in people who have worked with the rugby,they know how to turn a sows ear into a silk purse in terms of visibility engagement and ticket sales

Great article/ piece with Jim Mcguinness in today's Irish News, a full throated defence of USFC & the provincial series. He made the point, that has been made here before, that counties trying to compete v Dublin and Kerry need financial support and development plans to make them competitive  again - as a better alternative to just scrapping them.

The provincial structure is broken and most people just want them moved to the start of the season. Most counties voted for a structure in 2021 which would see them be played first followed by a league based championship. Now we've ended up with a structure which tries to please everyone and is condensed into half the year despite having more games.

If most counties voted that it would have been seen with the vote The current structure we have was voted in by Congress and any change will have to be done via Congress again.

Anyone I have spoken to recently about this said that the system doesn't work. There is no objection to making time for clubs but they all say there are too many games in too short a time period. People hope Jarlath burns will put some smacht on things. 

Too many games doesn't wash. Nearly everyone thats ever played will say they'd far rather play more games rather than train for weeks on end behind games.

I predict a  grassroots movement for change at the next Congress.

Grassroots ?

Grassroots is the club's, son who are delighted with the defined split season

Not so happy are the paid shills and expensed intercounty managers who have had a bit of power taken away from them.

Oh and the prawn sandwich crew which live for the days in Premium in "Croker" and would struggle to find their nearest club grounds

Maybe the Club Players Association with its 25,000 members should come back into being to lobby every CLUB delegate before every county convention, should any motion to erode what has been hard won come before Congress

Everybody who follows county has a club and is grassroots. It is not one or the other. People are happy with more time for clubs but not with the state of the all Ireland- things like not playing in August and September, the rushed nature of things, the lack of joined up thinking.

The current all Ireland system is not a solution. And club vs county is not a culture war. Most people are both. They want an all Ireland system that works.

Go on then

Give us a system that "works"

Because all I'm seeing everywhere is a whole load of lads that are making money out of the game whinging

But not offering a lot of workable solutions

Great article/ piece with Jim Mcguinness in today's Irish News, a full throated defence of USFC & the provincial series. He made the point, that has been made here before, that counties trying to compete v Dublin and Kerry need financial support and development plans to make them competitive  again - as a better alternative to just scrapping them.

The provincial structure is broken and most people just want them moved to the start of the season. Most counties voted for a structure in 2021 which would see them be played first followed by a league based championship. Now we've ended up with a structure which tries to please everyone and is condensed into half the year despite having more games.

If most counties voted that it would have been seen with the vote The current structure we have was voted in by Congress and any change will have to be done via Congress again.

Anyone I have spoken to recently about this said that the system doesn't work. There is no objection to making time for clubs but they all say there are too many games in too short a time period. People hope Jarlath burns will put some smacht on things. 

Too many games doesn't wash. Nearly everyone thats ever played will say they'd far rather play more games rather than train for weeks on end behind games.

I predict a  grassroots movement for change at the next Congress.

Grassroots ?

Grassroots is the club's, son who are delighted with the defined split season

Not so happy are the paid shills and expensed intercounty managers who have had a bit of power taken away from them.

Oh and the prawn sandwich crew which live for the days in Premium in "Croker" and would struggle to find their nearest club grounds

Maybe the Club Players Association with its 25,000 members should come back into being to lobby every CLUB delegate before every county convention, should any motion to erode what has been hard won come before Congress

Cahair O'Kane rightly calls bullshit


AH, April, the GAA calendar's middle child.

Just sitting minding its business, not really bothering anyone but feeling as though it's to blame for everything.

On Sunday, Monaghan and Cavan met in Clones.

Just 8,324 people showed up.

Thanks to the explosion of commentary around the meek attendance, we've learned that this was the first GAA championship match ever to be played in middling weather.

Storm Kathleen blew straight down the field in Clones. It didn't really rain or anything, but damn you anyway April.

If only we'd waited another few weeks for our standard three months of summer sunshine to begin, then the people would have flocked. Flocked, I tell ye!

On Saturday week, Derry play Donegal in Celtic Park.

Same competition. Same month. Fair good chance it'll even lash the rain.

Club committees have been investing heavily in reinforced glass from behind which they can tell members that there just aren't enough tickets.

In Derry, clubs have been given 10 seated tickets, 50 for the main terrace and 50 more for behind the goal. Many have restricted their allocations to just one-per-person.

When those two counties met in the 1993 Ulster final, the Donegal Democrat's preview of the match began by recalling how not even 5,000 people had turned up when they'd met three years previous.

The game had clashed with Ireland's World Cup game against Egypt, just as the same two counties would clash with the 2002 penalty shootout against Spain.

On July 18, 1993, Clones was a mudbath. The rain didn't take time to fall out of the sky.

In the minor game, Cathal Scullion from Derry broke his leg.

Neither side has ever really deviated from the sentiment that the senior game should never have gone ahead.

It's nine months since Dublin and Kerry met in the 2023 All-Ireland final on the last day of July.

Every third head in the crowd was covered by a yellow mac bought on the streets outside Croke Park. It poured non-stop for two hours.

But April

Yeah, the old Club Month. Could we not go back to that utopia? Sure didn't the clubs have it great, they got their lads for a full month.

Except county training carried on, and naturally that's where they went.

And inter-county challenge games too.

And sure what odds about club games in April really? Best not to chance it in case you pick up a knock.

Who the hell would blame them for that? It was a total nonsense of an operation with no winners.

Some counties, particularly big dual counties, were so desperate for space in the calendar that they threw in two rounds of club championship in April.

By the end of game two, hundreds of young lads were off looking for their J1 visa, their footballing year over already.

Could we not go back to that though?

Because All-Ireland finals in July just don't hit the same, apparently.

Look at the thousands of empty seats in Croke Park last summer.

Of the 82,300 capacity for the All-Ireland football and hurling finals there were only... er... *checks notes*... 82,300 there.

That there were only 43,192 people at Derry's semi-final against Kerry was deemed worthy of note.

Must be because we're playing championship in April now.

2004 was the second-highest attended football championship in history, drawing in 1.157m spectators at the gates, second only to the previous year.

When Derry and Kerry met at the same stage in the stadium at The Proper Time For An All-Ireland Semi-Final, there were 35,457 at it.

Only five years ago, just 33,848 turned up for a Kerry-Tyrone semi-final in the middle of August.

But damn you April and your split season, go on out of the road with ye.

Great article/ piece with Jim Mcguinness in today's Irish News, a full throated defence of USFC & the provincial series. He made the point, that has been made here before, that counties trying to compete v Dublin and Kerry need financial support and development plans to make them competitive  again - as a better alternative to just scrapping them.

The provincial structure is broken and most people just want them moved to the start of the season. Most counties voted for a structure in 2021 which would see them be played first followed by a league based championship. Now we've ended up with a structure which tries to please everyone and is condensed into half the year despite having more games.

If most counties voted that it would have been seen with the vote The current structure we have was voted in by Congress and any change will have to be done via Congress again.

Anyone I have spoken to recently about this said that the system doesn't work. There is no objection to making time for clubs but they all say there are too many games in too short a time period. People hope Jarlath burns will put some smacht on things. 

You clearly don't know how things work expecting Burns to effect some sort of change in your hope that the clubs will be put back in their box

The number of Hurling v Football Teams in a County

https://x.com/premierviewpod/status/1768406253749878865?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

Having read through the 11 pages of the actual report,it would be handed back to an Economics Undergraduate and He/She would be told to consider another career route

The Authors base their case for starters on an assumption that they know the amount of UK subvention into NI every Year,which is news to anyone versed in these matters as the UK government has never stated an exact total or given an exact breakdown

They then assume that a UI would need to match the current NI contribution to a UK defence Budget,(no thanks Lads,We wont be paying for Trident or Aircraft Carriers)or continue to pay a pro rata portion of UK Debt AFTER NI had left the UK or that the UK would reneage on pension contributions by NI workers paid into the UK pension pot when NI was part of the Uk.

Those 3 areas alone come to anywhere between £5 and £7 bn per annum.

it also assumes that growth rates and productivity are stuck to the floor over the next 20 years, takes no account of the savings or synergy brought about by an All Island Economy and takes no account of inputs from the likes of the EU or FDI going into the 6 counties at 26 counties levels.

[Why have we no county U19 development hurling team when offaly, dublin, Wexford & kilkenny do ??]

Why have we no county U19 development hurling team when offaly, dublin, Wexford & kilkenny do ??

Massive problem at club level too, no hurling for a huge amount of players at their own age until maybe October every year,
We need an U19 club competition to bring players through from minor the previous year, especially 'lesser lights' that won't make senior teams straight away.

Laois were asked but weren't either interested or couldn't get mentors

5 Munster counties plus Galway also playing an u19 competition

Winners of both groups to play each other in a Final