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In your experience? Is this from surveys or just chit chat at the pub?

The bit in bold was not a question, its natural for people to pay more attention to one thing over another, that has nothing to do with an imaginary playbook you feel people are buying.

16 million Jews worldwide, 0.2 in world population, not sure of the number of Zionists, but they have some clout about the place. As for anti-Semitism, I don't look at people based on where they are from, race, or religion, I wouldn't fall into that trap to be fair

HAMAS–the acronym for Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya (Islamic Resistance Movement)is the largest and most capable militant group in the Palestinian territories 

Hamas are at war with Israel, its not a fair war, its a massacre

Your point is?

Yes, my experience, y'know from being alive and what not

Hamas are at war with Israel.. you said in one post this war has been going on for a month then in another post it's not a war?

Your stats are straight from the hamas playbook

I'm sure that sounded like a witty retort somewhere in your head

Christ the night

My stats come from the UN

As for use of the word war, I didn't say it directly, but yes, that would have been easily inferred

You have my apologies for that

What's going on at the minute is not a war - genocide is not war

In your experience? Is this from surveys or just chit chat at the pub?

The bit in bold was not a question, its natural for people to pay more attention to one thing over another, that has nothing to do with an imaginary playbook you feel people are buying.

16 million Jews worldwide, 0.2 in world population, not sure of the number of Zionists, but they have some clout about the place. As for anti-Semitism, I don't look at people based on where they are from, race, or religion, I wouldn't fall into that trap to be fair

HAMAS–the acronym for Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya (Islamic Resistance Movement)is the largest and most capable militant group in the Palestinian territories 

Hamas are at war with Israel, its not a fair war, its a massacre

Your point is?

Yes, my experience, y'know from being alive and what not

[The point is some wars seem to have more attention on them and others people turn a blind eye or maybe pay it some lip service]

I don't think there should be a hierarchy in place for loss of life depending on where you are from. I don't know the figures for the first month of that war, it could be similar, also the ratio to under 18's in Gaza is far higher in such a condensed place in comparison to Syria.

I'd say that if 2 million Syrians lived in place the size of Gaza and were (are still) being bombed like the Israeli's are doing then the figures could be similar.

The point is some wars seem to have more attention on them and others people turn a blind eye or maybe pay it some lip service

The stats also crude reveals that no fewer than 230,224 civilians, including 30,007 children and 16,319 women (adult female), were killed at the hands of the parties to the conflict and controlling forces in Syria between March 2011 and March 2023

Firstly, there's an army involved, but this is not a war.

War implies an equivalence which doesn't exist

My point is that one of the main reasons that people are getting so exercised about this is the sheer scale and relentlessness of the mass murder of innocent civilians and children especially

In my experience, most people posing the question in bold are following the Israeli playbook trying to play the antisemitism card.  It's seldom a genuine question

Heaven forbid that people would get angry about carpet bombing civilians and the murder of thousands of innocent children

No, you must hate jews

"Riled up"? What are you on about? I'm actually a little bit bored w/ this thread, but it sort of baffles me as to why people care SO much about it. Far more people died in the war Syria, for example. Was that too complicated to understand? Yeah, I know there's lots of factors involved that stir people up a bit, but - Christ! - ye do bang on a bit!

More people died in absolute terms

But the war lasted over a decade - this one has been going for a month

In terms of statistics, and this is a crude one, but true nonetheless

Children are dying in Gaza at a rate of over 130x per day

In the Syrian conflict, the equivalent figure was 4x per day

Do you now understand why people might be getting more exercised about it?  Or is it too complicated?

[I honestly think it's at the stage now that Israel always wanted. Total obliteration.]

Is it just me or is this Israeli bombing  these supposed  tunnels smell  exactly like  the US bombing the crap out of  mountains in Afghanistan,  because that's where Bin Laden was hiding, in a  Dr Evil-style hollowed out lair?

Ach sure, if we happen to kill 5,000 Palestinians  at  the same time , sure as long as  we got the tunnel

I honestly think it's  at the stage now that Israel always wanted. Total obliteration.  There will be nothing left.  If Palestinians can leave,  they should.  Palestinians will be scattered to the four winds , and Israel will take over  what's left. There will be nothing for Palestinians  to come back to.  As sad as it is , leave the warmongering b******s to it , and rest of  the world  shun anything to do with Israel.

100% this is what Netanyahu always wanted, his name up in lights as a strong man with a death count which means his name will be etched in history, good bad or indifferent he doesn't give a f**k. This has also been cynically timed in proximity to the American election cycle to render POTUS impotent, its the culmination of a lifetimes work for the sc**bag. Its also the culmination of 50+ years of American tolerance and enabling of Zionism, but who'd be surprised at that, sure didn't the US recruit high ranking Nazis after WWII.

End of the day this is a shit show and not beyond the realms of possibility that one or more press the big red nuclear button, certainly expect Netanyahu and Putin would have an erection for it, and others too. Nuclear deterrent my ass, you build a stockpile and there's men who dream of using it.

Shame on all the cowards over the years who got it to this point, the Zionists have it fairly stitched up at this point, the level of political cover for genocide is lunacy, they played the long game and won by the looks of it

Getting lost among the atrocities - but we are where we currently are because Hamas launched a terrorist attack, Israel are doing exactly what Hamas expected & hoped they would do after the attack. The Arab world coming to their aid is the only part of their plan not happening atm.

Another person who swallows the Zionist bullshit that this all started a month ago

The Oct 7th attack is only the latest in a VERY long list of reasons why 'we are where we currently are'

Yes, immediate cause and root causes. I'm sure everyone is aware of the distinction.  The Hamas attack on 7th October is the immediate cause.

Like I say, it's only the immediate cause if your clock starts on exactly the 7th Oct.

That's fairly idiotic there chief.

Not even a tiny bit.

If you think the Israeli bombardment of Gaza has solely been caused by the 7th October attacks then you've been indoctrinated

It's neither the root cause OR the immediate cause

It's only being used as a justification for something the Israelis have been dying to do for decades

[I honestly think it's at the stage now that Israel always wanted. Total obliteration.]

Is it just me or is this Israeli bombing  these supposed  tunnels smell  exactly like  the US bombing the crap out of  mountains in Afghanistan,  because that's where Bin Laden was hiding, in a  Dr Evil-style hollowed out lair?

Ach sure, if we happen to kill 5,000 Palestinians  at  the same time , sure as long as  we got the tunnel

I honestly think it's  at the stage now that Israel always wanted. Total obliteration.  There will be nothing left.  If Palestinians can leave,  they should.  Palestinians will be scattered to the four winds , and Israel will take over  what's left. There will be nothing for Palestinians  to come back to.  As sad as it is , leave the warmongering b******s to it , and rest of  the world  shun anything to do with Israel.

100% this is what Netanyahu always wanted, his name up in lights as a strong man with a death count which means his name will be etched in history, good bad or indifferent he doesn't give a f**k. This has also been cynically timed in proximity to the American election cycle to render POTUS impotent, its the culmination of a lifetimes work for the sc**bag. Its also the culmination of 50+ years of American tolerance and enabling of Zionism, but who'd be surprised at that, sure didn't the US recruit high ranking Nazis after WWII.

End of the day this is a shit show and not beyond the realms of possibility that one or more press the big red nuclear button, certainly expect Netanyahu and Putin would have an erection for it, and others too. Nuclear deterrent my ass, you build a stockpile and there's men who dream of using it.

Shame on all the cowards over the years who got it to this point, the Zionists have it fairly stitched up at this point, the level of political cover for genocide is lunacy, they played the long game and won by the looks of it

Getting lost among the atrocities - but we are where we currently are because Hamas launched a terrorist attack, Israel are doing exactly what Hamas expected & hoped they would do after the attack. The Arab world coming to their aid is the only part of their plan not happening atm.

Another person who swallows the Zionist bullshit that this all started a month ago

The Oct 7th attack is only the latest in a VERY long list of reasons why 'we are where we currently are'

Yes, immediate cause and root causes. I'm sure everyone is aware of the distinction.  The Hamas attack on 7th October is the immediate cause.

Like I say, it's only the immediate cause if your clock starts on exactly the 7th Oct.

[I honestly think it's at the stage now that Israel always wanted. Total obliteration.]

Is it just me or is this Israeli bombing  these supposed  tunnels smell  exactly like  the US bombing the crap out of  mountains in Afghanistan,  because that's where Bin Laden was hiding, in a  Dr Evil-style hollowed out lair?

Ach sure, if we happen to kill 5,000 Palestinians  at  the same time , sure as long as  we got the tunnel

I honestly think it's  at the stage now that Israel always wanted. Total obliteration.  There will be nothing left.  If Palestinians can leave,  they should.  Palestinians will be scattered to the four winds , and Israel will take over  what's left. There will be nothing for Palestinians  to come back to.  As sad as it is , leave the warmongering b******s to it , and rest of  the world  shun anything to do with Israel.

100% this is what Netanyahu always wanted, his name up in lights as a strong man with a death count which means his name will be etched in history, good bad or indifferent he doesn't give a f**k. This has also been cynically timed in proximity to the American election cycle to render POTUS impotent, its the culmination of a lifetimes work for the sc**bag. Its also the culmination of 50+ years of American tolerance and enabling of Zionism, but who'd be surprised at that, sure didn't the US recruit high ranking Nazis after WWII.

End of the day this is a shit show and not beyond the realms of possibility that one or more press the big red nuclear button, certainly expect Netanyahu and Putin would have an erection for it, and others too. Nuclear deterrent my ass, you build a stockpile and there's men who dream of using it.

Shame on all the cowards over the years who got it to this point, the Zionists have it fairly stitched up at this point, the level of political cover for genocide is lunacy, they played the long game and won by the looks of it

Getting lost among the atrocities - but we are where we currently are because Hamas launched a terrorist attack, Israel are doing exactly what Hamas expected & hoped they would do after the attack. The Arab world coming to their aid is the only part of their plan not happening atm.

Another person who swallows the Zionist bullshit that this all started a month ago

The Oct 7th attack is only the latest in a VERY long list of reasons why 'we are where we currently are'

Why did Sinn Fein abstain from the motion to expel the Israeli ambassador?

Expelling ambassadors is a show-off concept, not a serious one. The Russia, Iranian, Chinese etc ambassadors are still there and you need someone to give out it.

Except the last time this happened they were leading the calls for it. What's changed? Genocide Joe cuddling up to Mary Lou is what happened.
They've lost my No1 vote as a result

Would like to hear their reasons why.

Because they want to be serious party and not just a shouty one.

At a time like this any serious party SHOULD be 'shouty'.

This discussion has been going round in circles for years. Clones getting the funding keeps coming up for some reason as if that was ever likely. In fairness it would be worth it just to see the DUP outrage and general losing their shit. It would be on an epic proportion if GB money was going to a foreign land

clones is a horrendous stadium and an awful location for a provincial ground.
gaa should have pumped the monies into  armagh and built it up or even newry to say 33k
casement given the mess we are in , within North is genuinely a waste of monies
everything seems broken and the pushing for say 80million oftaxpayers monies just doesnt seem right it it comes to the detriment of essential services

Casement is a better venue to develop non footballing revenue. Concerts, Corporate meetings. Belfast has hotels and other infrastructure that Armagh, Newry and Derry doesn't.
It isn't a waste of taxpayers money. We'll have a brand new stadium and the European championships that will bring a huge boost to Belfast and NI. There'll be a huge boost for the people of West Belfast as well.

Casement, no matter the cost needs to be built.

The North is not stable enough to assume a regular stream of concerts and corporate meetings. Corporate investment is homeopathic compared to the South because of political instability. The DUP do not care about things like economic growth or Taylor Swift's arse.

The Casement Project needs a BRAUNS analysis

Benefits
Risks
Alternatives
Unknowns
What if they do nothing
And a Safety net in case it goes tits up

this analysis is standard in hospitals in the North

Eh?

The North already assumes a 'regular stream of concerts and corporate meetings'

Providing this is built, it will 'assume' hosting the European Championships

The success of any project is inversely proportional to the number of corporate acronyms employed in its delivery

Though we could make room for a SEAFOID analysis on this one

S pews
E xcrement
A nd
F olly
O n the
I nternet
D aily

Why did Sinn Fein abstain from the motion to expel the Israeli ambassador?

Shinners not coming out of this well

[Spending a fortune on Casement because there is a grant covering part of the cost is like getting a voucher of £10 for something you didn't need and then spending £100 on it.]

One of the problems in the GAA now  is marquee grounds.  Galway used to have Ballinasloe for county hurling,  Tuam for county football  and Pairc na Gaoithe in Salthill for both. Then Salthill was redeveloped and needed to be funded so the matches happen there now and the other 2 have been more or less ignored. 

Pairc UI Chaoimh cost a lot to redevelop and it still isn't self funding

This is all part of the financialisation of the GAA.

Spending a fortune on Casement because there is a grant covering part of the cost is like getting a voucher of £10 for something you didn't need and then spending £100 on it.

And the cost is only one part. The running of the place is probably more important in the long run.
There is a reason why soccer and rugby infrastructure on the island is relatively poor compared to other countries. Because the IRFU/FAI don''t have the cashflow to support anything else and they can't afford white elephants.

https://www.irelandbeforeyoudie.com/top-20-stadiums-in-ireland-by-capacity/

Or more accurately getting a voucher for £85 for something you do need and spending £100 on it

Which makes perfect sense to anyone

Especially when the alternative is to burn the voucher and spend the £15 polishing the turd you already have

Would you not question the reasons as to the likes of the US and Iran Syria supply the weapons and stoke or support these wars? Its not to save lives in that region

Palestine has every right to defend itself, no problem with that, and you can only poke the bear so many times before it bites back, but the latest events have only lead to serious developments where the innocents are the losers here

In other news

The sun is yellow

Well that's a better response than trying to shoehorn in the hospital attack to every post

You fail to see the relevance which is unsurprising

If the gullible idiots refuse to swallow the hospital propaganda, then the tide of international revulsion rises much more quickly

As it is, they get away with it and continue to perpetrate atrocity after atrocity, until, at some point they do something so absolutely shocking, that Biden/Von der Leyen/Sunak etc etc can't ignore it any longer and tell them to stop

Lets face it - Israel is a small country, not dissimilar to Ireland in population and much smaller in area, with minimal natural resources

They have no inherent strength

They depend entirely on US weapons and money and tacit Western approval for each and every action they take here

Remove either of these things and they're fcuked

Would you not question the reasons as to the likes of the US and Iran Syria supply the weapons and stoke or support these wars? Its not to save lives in that region

Palestine has every right to defend itself, no problem with that, and you can only poke the bear so many times before it bites back, but the latest events have only lead to serious developments where the innocents are the losers here

In other news

The sun is yellow

[The fundamentalist Muslims (wherever they are) what nothing to do with the west, and would wipe out Christianity/Jews given half the chance.]

The Egyptians don't want them, nor do the Jordanians. Nor does any other Arab state, for that matter. Most likely, Israel will connive to have them shipped to Europe and Canada.

hence why the Egyptians are been offered billions to take the palestinans.

The Palestinians don't want another nakba and to be ethically cleanse from their homeland again. They don't want to be in Egypt or Jordan or Syria or Lebanon, the refugees there are already denied their right of return.

Israel doesn't adhere to International law or UN resolutions and the Uk/Eu/UK enables the israelis. Lip service to the two state solution is all but ended. A Palestine state on the borders of 1967 with a bi lateral negotiated settlement on the right of return and other outstanding issues is the only chance of peace. That should be forced upon the Israelis via sanctions (for what they are worth) and boycott.

Isreal is an alliance of the west in the Middle East, there's no way the western leaders will allow that to change...

The fundamentalist Muslims (wherever they are) what nothing to do with the west, and would wipe out Christianity/Jews given half the chance. The Zionist want to wipe out Palestine and the west see it as the lesser of two evils

The Middle East was always going to be the next world war.

Can't see this ending up any other way in the long term as being the beginning of a new world war of sorts

In the context of Palestine, this is abject nonsense, regurgitated from some English tabloid.

Haven't bought a 'tabloid' in over 30 years but sure knock yourself out!

Have watched plenty of doc's over the years by people that live there, in the middle east, to make my own judgement, watched one recently, Of fathers and sons and there was another one based on the last  war in 2014 in Gaza, horrific stuff.

The bit you highlighted is linked to how/who the likes of Hamas get their weapons, they are getting them from states that harbour the likes of ISIS and other similar groupings plus Iran, who are fundamentalists and would happily wipe out the west.

Israel of course get their weapons from the US and other EU states and would happily wipe out Muslims in the West Bank Lebanon and Gaza

I personally feel murdering people will only create more murders, I've yet to be convinced that it actually gets results.

If the UN isn't given some control over whats happening, then things will get, globally, a hell of a lot worse

Ah right sorry I didn't know you were just talking about where they get the guns n stuff 

[The fundamentalist Muslims (wherever they are) what nothing to do with the west, and would wipe out Christianity/Jews given half the chance.]

The Egyptians don't want them, nor do the Jordanians. Nor does any other Arab state, for that matter. Most likely, Israel will connive to have them shipped to Europe and Canada.

hence why the Egyptians are been offered billions to take the palestinans.

The Palestinians don't want another nakba and to be ethically cleanse from their homeland again. They don't want to be in Egypt or Jordan or Syria or Lebanon, the refugees there are already denied their right of return.

Israel doesn't adhere to International law or UN resolutions and the Uk/Eu/UK enables the israelis. Lip service to the two state solution is all but ended. A Palestine state on the borders of 1967 with a bi lateral negotiated settlement on the right of return and other outstanding issues is the only chance of peace. That should be forced upon the Israelis via sanctions (for what they are worth) and boycott.

Isreal is an alliance of the west in the Middle East, there's no way the western leaders will allow that to change...

The fundamentalist Muslims (wherever they are) what nothing to do with the west, and would wipe out Christianity/Jews given half the chance. The Zionist want to wipe out Palestine and the west see it as the lesser of two evils

The Middle East was always going to be the next world war.

Can't see this ending up any other way in the long term as being the beginning of a new world war of sorts

In the context of Palestine, this is abject nonsense, regurgitated from some English tabloid.