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I'm surprised the number is as low.  Thought there'd be more than that.  No big deal either way

Why are you surprised?

[expenses for doctors, physios, all the additional analysts and extras that come with a proper professional setup, even mileage for players and basic nutrition]

Louth got Mickey Harte. If you have the right ambition in place the Cavan job is very sellable.

You mean offering the right money!

No manager will do anything for free. When you take in expenses for doctors, physios, all the additional analysts and extras that come with a proper professional setup, even mileage for players and basic nutrition, what the manager himself pockets is only a fraction. More important staying higher up the leagues and getting paying customers in the door than saving on pennies on a manager.

We have a decent squad, some decent young players and more knocking on the door. We are a football county. Competing in D2 would be seen by many as a minimum for us, deluded or not, and the Cavan job should be tempting enough for someone with ambition or someone with experience elsewhere who feel they have "something to prove". How tempting depends on the offer on the table of course. No money means no extras means less professional support means less enthusiastic players means no thanks. A clued up manager will sniff a pile of dung from a mile away.

A manger doesn't care who pays all that as long as he gets his wedge.

Louth got Mickey Harte. If you have the right ambition in place the Cavan job is very sellable.

You mean offering the right money!

[Gone are drug gangs]

It would remove the criminality aspect of it on either side - i.e. taker and seller. It would bring in tax. Gone are drug gangs. Quality can be controlled etc etc as you do hear of people dying with "bad batches" etc.

(That's not me arguing it's right - legalising cocaine etc too far for me but those are arguments you hear. It wouldn't remove addiction problems which are a huge problem.).

They would still be about there would still be money to be made from it just look at cigarettes and diesel to name just 2 products that criminal gangs like to get their hands dirty with.

It something can be bought cheaper there are a lot of people who will buy it and not care about quality.

He has lasted everywhere he had been. Very popular with players. Great coach, very professional. He would be a terrific appointment for us and really shake up the squad.

And wins nothing, reaching one Ulster final in 9 seasons. You'd have to be absolutely nuts to appoint a poser like him.

I want a manager who will make these lads winners.

A brilliant coach. Has improved every county he has managed. The consummate professional. Gives everything to the job and gets the most out of the players at his disposal. Armagh underage would be even weaker than Cavan this last decade but he has them light years ahead of us in the senior ranks. Only thing nuts is what has been allowed happen to our senior team this last few years.

I think McGeeney stayed on a year too long with Kildare and Armagh.  He lost a ballot 29-28 to stay on as manager with Kildare. They weren't happy with the costs of having McGeeney as manager.

Armagh have had little underage succcess ,but better individual attacking players then Cavan. They did win a Minor All Ireland in 09 where a few of the current team would have been involved.   https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2009/0920/255042-armagh_mayo/

They probably felt after 6 years he had brought them as far as he could and they needed someone to get them the extra push but they went the opposite direction once he left. He's 10 years now with Armagh if you count 2014. I think when the dust settles on their season they'll ask him to stay but if not, I believe the Cavan job is one he'd take. It'd be a big risk for him but one that could be very beneficial to both parties.

Do we really want to be called "Kieran McGeeney's Cavan"?

Drugs need legalising and regulating the world over.

The war on drugs has failed drastically. Is it not $trillions they've spent in the states on it and way worse off - deaths, jails full etc., fentanyl, which is instantly deadly for some, is rife in plenty of areas and spreading to other parts of the world too.

Agree. Legalise, tax and regulate. Drugs won the war on drugs a fair while ago.

Hello Mr Kinahan all is forgiven can you source us some marching powder please or give us the contact details for the biggest drug baron in Columbia we are legalising Cocaine and need contacts of the most dangerous criminals in the world to buy from.

Does the impact of a foul influence a referee?
I mean if someone is badly injured does it influence the ref to give a card?

When Rogers got a punch into the stomach near the end, would he have got a free if he went down holding his stomach which could convince the ref that he was indeed hit?

Rodgers (if memory serves me right) was going down as the hand was going in, there was the initial view where it look like he took a punch and the other, out of sheer exhaustion fumbled the ball with an attempted pass. Can't remember what Joe's positioning was at the time

watch it again ..
https://twitter.com/i/status/1680617372703391744
12 secs

Rogers had just taken a solo, was turning back, no doubt looking to give a pass, had the ball protected in his chest with both hands when O'Sheas hand came in under the hands and ball and looks to have caught him in the stomach/midriff.  Thats a foul.

& 33 secs will show it from the other side and you can see where Joe was positioned and what he saw.  Could not have been in a better place.

Jeez lads there are tackles like that every game and no free given may aswell make the game non contact if a referee is going to be scrutinised on decisions like that.

And compared to the free given to S O' Shea,  when Derry had turned the ball over in defence?

Can't comment on that one but the only way to fix what you are getting at is to make the game non-contact.

You are all over the place here.
Rogers claim should not be a free because the spirit of the game says its s contact sport and rough house play is to be expected?
S O' Shea's free ,  look i wont comment on that one because it would show up my bias.  You are fooling no one.

All any supporter wants in any game is consistent application of the rules within the 70 minutes of that game.

I'm not trying to fool anyone everyone here is capable of making up their own mind.

The tackle in GAA is not easy to referee because in a split second it is not easy to see where contact has been made and similar tackles can be called different during a game. I had a back and forth with a referee on this very board who was saying you can't tackle using your fist but in his next post he said he wouldn't blow it as a free if contact is made with the ball!

Does the impact of a foul influence a referee?
I mean if someone is badly injured does it influence the ref to give a card?

When Rogers got a punch into the stomach near the end, would he have got a free if he went down holding his stomach which could convince the ref that he was indeed hit?

Rodgers (if memory serves me right) was going down as the hand was going in, there was the initial view where it look like he took a punch and the other, out of sheer exhaustion fumbled the ball with an attempted pass. Can't remember what Joe's positioning was at the time

watch it again ..
https://twitter.com/i/status/1680617372703391744
12 secs

Rogers had just taken a solo, was turning back, no doubt looking to give a pass, had the ball protected in his chest with both hands when O'Sheas hand came in under the hands and ball and looks to have caught him in the stomach/midriff.  Thats a foul.

& 33 secs will show it from the other side and you can see where Joe was positioned and what he saw.  Could not have been in a better place.

Jeez lads there are tackles like that every game and no free given may aswell make the game non contact if a referee is going to be scrutinised on decisions like that.

And compared to the free given to S O' Shea,  when Derry had turned the ball over in defence?

Can't comment on that one but the only way to fix what you are getting at is to make the game non-contact.

Does the impact of a foul influence a referee?
I mean if someone is badly injured does it influence the ref to give a card?

When Rogers got a punch into the stomach near the end, would he have got a free if he went down holding his stomach which could convince the ref that he was indeed hit?

Rodgers (if memory serves me right) was going down as the hand was going in, there was the initial view where it look like he took a punch and the other, out of sheer exhaustion fumbled the ball with an attempted pass. Can't remember what Joe's positioning was at the time

watch it again ..
https://twitter.com/i/status/1680617372703391744
12 secs

Rogers had just taken a solo, was turning back, no doubt looking to give a pass, had the ball protected in his chest with both hands when O'Sheas hand came in under the hands and ball and looks to have caught him in the stomach/midriff.  Thats a foul.

& 33 secs will show it from the other side and you can see where Joe was positioned and what he saw.  Could not have been in a better place.

Jeez lads there are tackles like that every game and no free given may aswell make the game non contact if a referee is going to be scrutinised on decisions like that.

O Hanlon definitely lifted it off the ground. Monaghan lost due to running out of steam with 10 to go while Dublin were bringing on top class players as subs. Tough to take but zero to do with the ref.

Ball was off the ground.

Absolutely changed the game in a game so tight.

It was really tight but i think he did catch it on a (small) bounce. I blame the player more for not putting his toe behind it just to remove the doubt but it was a massive call for the ref to give at that time. Dublin scored the free and pushed on.

Is there any clip of this doing the rounds at the time i though he touched it on the ground?

The ball was bouncing but it looked like he put the hands on the ball as it was on the ground, when he maybe could have put his hands under and let it bounce up. A split second decision made by a tired player, I doubt he'd have gave the ref a decision to make if it was early in the game.

Yeah that it what i though as well it was a correct call.

O Hanlon definitely lifted it off the ground. Monaghan lost due to running out of steam with 10 to go while Dublin were bringing on top class players as subs. Tough to take but zero to do with the ref.

Ball was off the ground.

Absolutely changed the game in a game so tight.

It was really tight but i think he did catch it on a (small) bounce. I blame the player more for not putting his toe behind it just to remove the doubt but it was a massive call for the ref to give at that time. Dublin scored the free and pushed on.

Is there any clip of this doing the rounds at the time i though he touched it on the ground?

[some]

https://twitter.com/gaa__joe/status/1680880345019809792?s=46&t=zgzuYWfgC5dD3Y5jl1Xd6A

Oisin McConville showing us he doesn't know if it's pumped or stuffed.

Intercounty manager!! Someone send him the rules, deliberate trip, black card, accidental trip a free, but very strange considering Joe biased

Mc Quillan had a stinker as usual, two Kerry frees near the end were laughable, only Derry blew up and their decision making with it had a bigger impact than his incompetence he could have robbed them.
Only people that can't see that is obviously Kerry people and yourself, not overly supprised at either.
I am starting to see what brolly is implying this years that Kerry are the most cynical team in the game. With Referees like that I can't see them changing.

There is no game ever, certainly anything I've been involved by playing, watching, managing or refereeing that is flawless from the ref. EVER! mistakes happen but this notion that referees suck up to teams or players from certain counties or at my level clubs is just a paranoia that has been built up over the years.

Did Joe and Hurson and any of the ref's get things wrong at the weekend? Yes, no where near as much as the players or managers did but lets highlight the mistakes of the ref to attribute some blame in losing a game

You are been kept busy today anyway MR 

We are going to need a revamp of the team and someone who can manage the crap that is going on between the Crosserlough and Gowna lads this has to be the right appointment we are not in a good place.

Marty Morrissey interviewed Colm O'Rourke about the match. He said something about the inspiration of getting into the Sam Maguire. But Meath are D2 and  only ended up in the TC because of Clare and Sligo. They are optional members of the TC club. Down are still D3.

what's an optional member of the TC? Could Meath have opted out and Down not?

Meath are D2. They can win a few league matches and play SM next year.  If they can't be arsed they can play TC. That's optional.

It isn't an option if they are not good enough to win those few games whether they are arsed or not.

I think this year was an outlier. Also Meath should do better in D2 next year as a result of this TC.

Divison 2 should certainty be more competitive with the Dubs and Derry departing and replaced by Donegal and Kieran McGeeney's Armagh or just Armagh maybe.

Marty Morrissey interviewed Colm O'Rourke about the match. He said something about the inspiration of getting into the Sam Maguire. But Meath are D2 and  only ended up in the TC because of Clare and Sligo. They are optional members of the TC club. Down are still D3.

what's an optional member of the TC? Could Meath have opted out and Down not?

Meath are D2. They can win a few league matches and play SM next year.  If they can't be arsed they can play TC. That's optional.

It isn't an option if they are not good enough to win those few games whether they are arsed or not.