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Be hard for Shane Long to score any goal when he can't get a game.... or had you noticed

At least 11 or maybe more of that lis,t are not even regulars with their clubs. England have a huge pick compared to us, so that is irrelevant.

Hahahaha there are some truly blinded thinkers on this thread.

Seamus Coleman plays for a club who will a) not finish in the top 6, and b) will seek their best players at the end of the season. They are not a big club.

Aiden McGeady went to Russia because no English club would take a risk on him. Let alone a big club.

Paul McShane and Pat McGibbon used to be on the books at Man Utd. Let's wait until Robbie Brady plays a few games before calling him a United player.

As for Conor whodafuck at Arsenal and Greg remembermyname formerly of City, this is plumbing a depth that can only result in a bathroom covered in excrement.

Shane Long is a better player than the lot of them put together and he plays for possibly the least fashionable club in the world.

Mad. Clean mad. Straw clutching. Mad.

What was clean mad was you saying Robbie Keane should have been playing against Germany when he was injured (wtf) and dismissing playing Shane Long as a lone striker ahead of Robbie i had a brillant euro's Keane

Shane Long has pace to burn, how would Keane play that role

[there is no current Irish player at a big club, or even on the radar of a big club]

Crete what you ignore every time you rhyme off these stats is that there is no current Irish player at a big club, or even on the radar of a big club.

Almost every Ireland team in history has had to carry a few journeymen. But to do that you need a few stars, and we don't have them. We dont even have reliable international players savs a few exceptions. It is EASILY the weakest crop of players available to a manager in the 25 years i've been able to form an opinion.

Oh and without meaning to sound like a nasty pedant, I have no doubt you appreciate it when others use paragraphs for long spiels of text, so good manners suggests you should too.

There aren't that many top English players in the big clubs these days either

Well that settles it - we might be crap but as long as England are nearly as equaly crap, dont worry!! This is the level of soccer debate that no doubt has its origin in Sky devotees.

I'd prefer to look at facts ...
there is no current Irish player at a big club, or even on the radar of a big club.


Says it all.

Yer man Brady is at Man United.

Connor Henderson from Arsenal, currently on loan at Coventry. Wenger rates him highly. Greg Cunningham was rated by Mancini but left as they spend huge money and had Glichy, Kolorov etc ahead of him

Shane Long is capable of playing for a team like Spurs.

Will Cazorla be another Overmars, Petit, Henry, Pires,Adebayor,Hleb, Nasri Fabregas,RVP, and eventually move on, for a bigger offer eleswhere?

Any decent streams for the Stoke game?

Eircomsports hub via setenta, its about a minute behind the normal match time

Do any of the posters on here understand how limited the current crap 9sorry crop) of players are?

Take magpie's selction:

Westwood  - reserve at Sunderland

Kelly - not a regular at Fulham  Dunne = done 9great servant gone past sbd)   O'Shea - seriously limited player at Sunderland /Clarke  - best of the new bunch, I'd stick with him, but not a regular at AV   Wilson - worth a look, plays for Stoke

Coleman - cant command regular place at Everton but one of our better players  McCarthy - was once the grat new hope but has turned into a journeyman midfielder  Andrews - has dropped from premiership to championship strugglers bu dont doubt his spirit or commitment/Fahey  - not a regular at Birmingham   McLean - could be our answer to Wayne rRooney!!

    Long  - best of our forwards but hardly a goal a game man at WBA     Walters - game but limited in ability and not a regular goalscorer /Doyle - way off the boil

Notice something?
Man Utd - no players
Man City - no players
Chelsea - no players
Arsenal - no players
Spurs - no players

Worst squad for Republic in my memory.

Trapp derserves them.

Chelsea, Man City Arsenal have't even many English players. Its not just Ireland who suffer with the lack of players in the big clubs. Obviously they have a few players but not loads. Terry and Lampard aren't  getting and younger City signed Rodwell and Sinclair both English players, but i can't see them being regulars.

As bad as Ireland are to watch, listening to Ronnie Whelan on commentary just makes it a whole lot worse.. They should let Hamilton at it ,or just replace whelan, misery at the highest..

[London Senior Football Championship Final]

Some one asked me the other day if I watched club football in London. As I didn't I felt I perhaps I should.

London Senior Football Championship Final

Tir Chonaill Gaels 1-15 v Kingdom Kerry Gaels 1-8 (H/T 1-6 - 0-2)

The first thing to point out about this match was that the crowd seemed much bigger than the one that attend London's qualifier against Antrim in the Championship. It was a double header but I still found this a bit surprising

The match itself was a tetchy affair, littered with niggley fouls and handbags. TCG set the pace hitting the post from a free in the opening minute and dominating the early exchanges. 5 points and a well taken goal saw TCG go in at half time with a seven point lead which Kingdom never recovered.

However the turning point of the match came at the end of the half when Kevin Waldron (sorry if I've got the name wrong) saw red for a blatant punch. KKG were reduced to 13 in the latter stages their semi-final, but having to play over half the game a man short was always going to be to much.

KKG opened the second half scoring but were then on the end of a TCG scoring onslaught. Eight unanswered in 15 minutes ended the match as a contest.

That said KKG dug deep with 4 points and a goal without reply. A couple minutes after their goal Kingdom put a point over the bar from inside the small rectangle when a goal looked certain. In the end TCG held their nerve to run out deserved winners by 7 points.

I understand that Tir Chonaill Gaels will now represent London in an All Ireland Club Championship. Is this a valued competition?

The All Ireland Club football Championship would be the equivalent of the Champions league, only that its the champions from each county represented and nothing else and its Knock out fooball. The London champions always play in the Connacht Club Championship, the same way as London play in Connacht for the County championship. Tit Chonaill will be playing in the next few weeks,

I think Mark Quigley from Sligo Rovers should get a call up for the Greece friendly in November. He has been excellent this season and has been for a few years in the Airtricity League. I think he could be another Keith Fahey, moving to relatively late to England unlike Doyle, Long, McGlean.

His chances of a call up would be slim anyways with Trap in charge, but its worth a thought.

So Trap should be overlooking younger talent playing in the PL for guys who couldn't make it in the first place? I thought the whole problem with Trap is he is picking guys from lower ranked teams?

Where did I say anything about him over looking young talent in the PL? I said he is worth a call up , as its a Friendly game, not a qualifier.. Quigley is a striker , how many young Irish forwards after Shane Long play in the PL?

I also said its only a thought as Trap would never call up players from the Airtricity League

I think Mark Quigley from Sligo Rovers should get a call up for the Greece friendly in November. He has been excellent this season and has been for a few years in the Airtricity League. I think he could be another Keith Fahey, moving to relatively late to England unlike Doyle, Long, McGlean.

His chances of a call up would be slim anyways with Trap in charge, but its worth a thought.

[but I haven't seen this talent shine through yet.]

Talent is a subjective gauge.

When Doherty first broke into the Spurs team (after a £1m transfer) he was a decent player. But a leg break or two later he was too slow and seemingly spent the rest of his career making howling mistakes.

McShane was on United's books as a youngster.

These guys must have been seen as talented at one stage.

Ciaran Clark, I'll admit I've only seen a few times (including versus Spurs a fortnight ago). I hope he's the future, but I haven't seen this talent shine through yet.

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He hasn't been getting the chance that the problem. Darren O Dea playing in Toronto with a team that is struggling, losing 10 games in a row, gets starting ahead of him.

Clarke has been one of Villa's better players in the last few games, and they are a very average team.

Ciaran Clarke is the future

Based on playing a dozen games for a rubbish Aston Villa side?

I really hope I'm wrong, but at this stage he is no more the future than Gary Doherty was 10 years ago, or Paul McShane was 5 years ago.

No Wobbler, based on Clarke having some talent. Doherty was a shocking player, and as for Paul McShane.....

[O'Dea]

Westwood, Coleman, O'Shea, O'Dea, Wilson, Brady, Andrews, McCarthy, McGeady, Keane, Walters

Surely not?  I simply cannot understand that decision.  Shocking.

Trap is old school, and know's two inexperienced changes in Wilson and Brady is the max he can make. O'Dea (for the moment) has a bit of experience. We are full of holes, but these can only be mended one at a time. Don't get me wrong O'Dea is not up to it, but we'll have to make do until Dunne and St. Ledger come back.

Sean St Ledger won't make drastic improvements either, He was starting evey game in the Euro's and was out of his depth. He has always played his football in the Championship, as that is his level, not a Premier League player like Dunne. Ciaran Clarke is the future

Not defending whatever player was suppose to have said these racist remarks, But its 3 days since the game and I heard nothing mentioned about this claim, and if the player did report it to the ref, then why didn't the ref take action or whatever? Hearsay can lead to a lot of things,..