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There is  plenty of  evidence but those who  did the report claimed that there was insufficient evidence to prove the case conclusively.  Shame on them,  why the need for conclusive evidence? when the dogs on the street know  palms were greased. They could  easily have chosen to keep an open mind on the matter,  but hey, an open mind is a dangerous thing, they chose to rule conclusively.
However  I'd surmise (obvious mother's grief and repression notwithstanding) that many of those babies who were airlifted to the USA were better off away from the stain of  being the result of a sinful act,  that they would have endured in Ireland from the large army of small minded bigots and religious zealots who permeated  every nook and cranny of irish society.

The dogs on the street doesn't count as evidence, as far as history is concerned.

If you don't go looking for something you'll also never find it.

Almost 3,000 pages of a report and they didn't do their homework?   

There is  plenty of  evidence but those who  did the report claimed that there was insufficient evidence to prove the case conclusively.  Shame on them,  why the need for conclusive evidence? when the dogs on the street know  palms were greased. They could  easily have chosen to keep an open mind on the matter,  but hey, an open mind is a dangerous thing, they chose to rule conclusively.
However  I'd surmise (obvious mother's grief and repression notwithstanding) that many of those babies who were airlifted to the USA were better off away from the stain of  being the result of a sinful act,  that they would have endured in Ireland from the large army of small minded bigots and religious zealots who permeated  every nook and cranny of irish society.

The dogs on the street doesn't count as evidence, as far as history is concerned.

[HOwever, the sons of those with a bit of money in the bank wouldn/t dream of mixing with the lower classes nad would be sent to Salamanca in Spain or Louvain in Belgium.Problem here was that many of the teachers at Louvain followed the teachings of a theologian named Jansen. Jansenism denied free will and maintained that human nature is corrupt and that Christ died for the elect and not for all humanity.So, many who were ordained at Louvain were tainted and as only priests from the middle classes got positions of power island influence in the Irish Church, the general mindset wasn't a liberal one. Johnny the blacksmith's son was hardly likely to become a parish priest of any well to do parish and a curacy in a one horse town was about all he could expect.But the upper tier controlled all Caathilic schools and the children were influenced by Jansenist teachers. When they became adults their children followed in their wake and Irish society became far less liberal than was the case in mainland Carhoilc countries.]

I'm surprised that with all that has been said or written about the actions od the nuns involved and the politicians of the time, nothing had ben brought up about the mindset of the hierarchy during the ate 19th and early 20 th century.
To put it mildly, the bishops and the upper echelons of the clergy were well to the right of Oliver Cromwell on moral matters.That would be put down to the effect of the heresy of Jansenism on the Irish Church.
Irish Catholic society was strictly segregated at the time so there was a wide gap between the poor, those slightly more prosperous and the middle classes, shopkeepers, big farmers and merchants ans the likes.
When it came to vocations for the priesthood, the poor didn't count; those a few steps above them could shovell a son off to All Hallows, Maynooth and the likes.
HOwever, the sons of those with a bit of money in the bank wouldn/t dream of mixing with the lower classes nad would be sent to Salamanca in Spain or Louvain in Belgium.
Problem here was that many of the teachers at Louvain followed the teachings of a theologian named Jansen. Jansenism denied  free will and maintained that human nature is corrupt and that Christ died for the elect and not for all humanity.
So, many who were ordained at Louvain were tainted and as only priests from the middle classes got positions of power island influence in the Irish Church, the general mindset wasn't a liberal one. Johnny the blacksmith's son was hardly likely to become a parish priest of any well to do parish and a curacy in a one horse town was about all he could expect.
But the upper tier controlled all Caathilic schools and the children were influenced by Jansenist teachers. When they became adults their children followed in their wake and Irish society became far less liberal than was the case in mainland Carhoilc countries.
Incidentally, Jansenism was condemned by several popes as heresy.
Girl conceiving out of wedlock was a big no-no. It meant the devil was hard at work trying to ensnare souls and the poor girls were occasions of sin and had to be removed from society asap.
As politicians had passed through the Irish educational system, they were as merciless as their clerical counterparts.

Claptrap. My father grew up in a single-chimney cottage on a small farm and his uncle, who grew up in the same cottage a generation earlier, studied in Salamanca by getting a diocesan scholarship there. The blacksmith had a bigger farm than they had.

My father's uncle is still revered in one of the poorest parishes of the county for building them a modest but beautiful church, which he financed by donations from emigrants from the locality.

It doesn't matter what system is chosen. The Dubs will win everything. They put so much work into their training. The idea that money could have anything to do it comes from people who don't understand.

No matter how good they get, the Dubs can't win the Ulster, Connacht & Munster championships. Yet many people want to scrap these competitions. Their logic escapes me.

Totally agree. It would be absolute madness getting rid of provincials. They should be retained but AI progress can also be linked to league position. This would make league matches in home venues much higher profile

Cut the balls of a bull and you still have him, but he's no longer a bull.

It doesn't matter what system is chosen. The Dubs will win everything. They put so much work into their training. The idea that money could have anything to do it comes from people who don't understand.

No matter how good they get, the Dubs can't win the Ulster, Connacht & Munster championships. Yet many people want to scrap these competitions. Their logic escapes me.

Although there's gonna be a real day of reckoning for traders at the end of March. The paperwork involved is just ridiculous.

Designed to fail, by the looks of things.

Grand so.

Maybe try and bring some sensible arguments forward next time.

Play it whatever way you like. I actually agree with most or all of what you've written on the Covid thread but why would I bother supporting you there after your behaviour here?

I don't care what you do or don't agree with. What you were saying on this thread was complete nonsense, I disputed it and you got annoyed that your view was challenged and have gone off on a huff because you know as well as I do it's down to your own prejudices.

As I say, play it whatever way you like.

Grand so.

Maybe try and bring some sensible arguments forward next time.

Play it whatever way you like. I actually agree with most or all of what you've written on the Covid thread but why would I bother supporting you there after your behaviour here?

You have been both aggressive and confrontational.

You have talked absolute nonsense and then got overly sensitive when that has been relayed to you. It's not my problem you can't stand behind the absurdity of your claims.

It's obvious you wish to have license to spout nonsense and have it go unchallenged.

QED.

You've had chances to answer those questions and you haven't liked been challenged on the nonsense you've put forward so do as you please.

That I will.

Note, I won't be going down the road of either insulting you or being aggressive or confrontational to you.

I haven't insulted you at all.

You have taken offence to me calling your nonsense and the complete lack of logic to what you've posted and thrown a little bit of strop so do as you please.

You have been both aggressive and confrontational.

You've had chances to answer those questions and you haven't liked been challenged on the nonsense you've put forward so do as you please.

That I will.

Note, I won't be going down the road of either insulting you or being aggressive or confrontational to you.

[You are defending FFG incompetence and corruption by accusing an opposition party of being responsible.]

I play the ball, not the man. I'm not insulting you.

I'm calling out the absolute nonsense of what you're saying.

You are defending FFG incompetence and corruption by accusing an opposition party of being responsible. It's utterly, utterly absurd and has no logical basis whatsoever. You can't blame FFG policies on an opposition party who have no role in enacting those policies. It's idiotic.

No, you're lying.

This is what I said.

I am as angry as you are about FF & FG incompetence and sleaze. But SF is an embedded part of the same rotten cartel.

I have not defended FF or FG anywhere here. (And give up on the "FFG" nonsense. There's no such entity.)

It's your choice whether or not we continue debating. But if you continue both lying and making inflammatory comments, I'm out.

You have defended them as you choose to put the blame of their policies on a party who have never been in power. It's an idiotic line. How can you blame the health service failings on a party who has never been in power. A few pages back you tried to blame the bank bailout on a party who had 4 TDs out of 166. Again utterly idiotic.

Do you mind telling us who you vote for so? As you seem to lay the blame of every FFG govt catastrophe at the door of a party who have never been in govt.

I'll answer your questions whenever you stop being aggressive and confrontational. Until then, I'm out.

[You are defending FFG incompetence and corruption by accusing an opposition party of being responsible.]

I play the ball, not the man. I'm not insulting you.

I'm calling out the absolute nonsense of what you're saying.

You are defending FFG incompetence and corruption by accusing an opposition party of being responsible. It's utterly, utterly absurd and has no logical basis whatsoever. You can't blame FFG policies on an opposition party who have no role in enacting those policies. It's idiotic.

No, you're lying.

This is what I said.

I am as angry as you are about FF & FG incompetence and sleaze. But SF is an embedded part of the same rotten cartel.

I have not defended FF or FG anywhere here. (And give up on the "FFG" nonsense. There's no such entity.)

It's your choice whether or not we continue debating. But if you continue both lying and making inflammatory comments, I'm out.

What you are saying here just defies any semblance of intelligence.

Give over. You were crying here on Monday or Tuesday about someone calling you a cretin. Now you're at the same yourself. If you can't manage to debate respectfully, I'm out.

Your choice.

A wet fart of a report

No evidence women were coerced into homes and a very convenient finding that no money was made off the 'adoption' ring.

In 1943 35 children died in a fire in a nun run orphanage in Cavan. The nuns were alleged to have stopped the rescue as the girls were in nighties. The investigation failed to look at why the nuns blocked the rescue.

Maybe we haven't moved on as far as we think.

That's a bloody lie for starters. The Magdalene Laundries were run on a commercial basis. The nuns undercut all opposition because they had an abundance of unpaid labour.

The Commission Report concluded that the Mother and Baby Homes were not run on a commercial basis, and only broke even through contributions from the Church.

And do you believe that?

It's not a matter of belief. The Report is clear.

https://assets.gov.ie/118591/719b80df-8280-41d1-b5db-29c269193536.pdf

Finances
35. The capitation payments for women and children in the mother and baby homes
were financed from the rates paid to the local authorities. In 1947, the health
services generally started to be partially financed from national taxation. It seems
to be at this stage that the mother and baby homes started to be required to
provide audited accounts to the Department of Health. These accounts were then
used to determine whether an increase in the capitation payments was merited.

36. The Commission has not seen any evidence that the religious orders who ran the
mother and baby homes made a profit from so doing. At various times, it is clear
that they struggled to make ends meet and their members were not always paid for
their work. This was a particular problem when occupancy levels fell and women
stayed for shorter periods. Payments by local authorities were not always on time.

37. The capitation rates, while they were not overly generous, and often failed to keep
pace with inflation, were considerably more generous that the social welfare
payments available to an adult and a child living in the community.
38. Under the institutional assistance regulations, the women in the homes (or, if they
were under 16, their parents) could have been charged for their stay in the homes
but this does not appear to have happened in most of the larger institutions.
Residents in county homes were charged if they had an income.