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are anelka and cole not challenging for the title this year and in a champions league final? better for leaving arsenal, me thinks yes

Are they better players? They might be better rewarded but Cole for example has gone from being the best left-back in England to a player who will struggle to get his England place and is probably the least popular footballer in the premeirship.

If they win the CL  i think they will count themselves better players yes. As for being unpopular dont think he will mind when he picks up that pay check every week. he is still the best LB in england though I hate to say it.

Thats a myth. Arsenal have bought nearly every player they have

They buy them young and develop them, suibtle difference between that and spending 16m plus on squad players like Hargreaves, Carrick or Nani. When was the last time Man U actually developed a player, Wes Brown???

ha ha and wat a development he is

just making the point that we are not that far from challenging for the title

How deluded are you?
You are far away from challenging for the title, and without major additions the pool wont be challenging in the near future

I dont want us to be chelsea and buy the title. arsenal have made no major additions in the past 3 or 4 years except for maybe gallas. yet they were challenging up until 3 weeks ago . I would like to see us developing youth with a mixture of experianced campaigners in there too.

Thats a myth. Arsenal have bought nearly every player they have

do me a favour and start reading my posts through, I said major additions as in big money buys or swaps!! they bought most of their players young and brought them through the ranks

in all seriousness, i would suggest that for the majority of players, if the money is there or there abouts then it'd come down to potential for silverware. there are obvious exceptions in the likes of neil.

Yes but in all fairness things aren't going to be there or there abouts, they'll just use one teams offer as leverage until they get the best deal.  And to answer your other question Flamini would have a better chance to win medals with Arsenal than Milan, Milan will just about squeeze into the Champions League, were completely outplayed by Arsenal in the 2nd round and are very much an aging side, it's hard to see how Flamini will improve them or how they will challenge in the Serie A next year. Even the most blinded Man U fan will have to agree that up until Feb Arsenal were the best side in the premiership. Eduardo's leg break was the catalyst for a very bad run of form/luck where Arsenal's lack of squad dept was crucial and Arsenal couldn't turn the tide. The future is very bright for this Arsenal side and Flamini will find out as did Anelka, Cole, Henry, Reyes, Wiltord, Pires that you don't become a better player by leaving Arsenal but you do by joining and staying at Arsenal.

why do players sign for arsenal then? Its definately not money as there is a salary cap in place and its not to win trophys either. Im baffled to tell ya the truth

You're not the only one....

are anelka and cole not challenging for the title this year and in a champions league final? better for leaving arsenal, me thinks yes

just making the point that we are not that far from challenging for the title

How deluded are you?
You are far away from challenging for the title, and without major additions the pool wont be challenging in the near future

I dont want us to be chelsea and buy the title. arsenal have made no major additions in the past 3 or 4 years except for maybe gallas. yet they were challenging up until 3 weeks ago . I would like to see us developing youth with a mixture of experianced campaigners in there too.

Seems a bit strange that Rafa takes off Liverpool's biggest scoring threat last Wednesday night with a hamstring problem when a goal was needed and then plays him on Saturday in a meaningless game and he scores! What is the craic there?

did that sub not score?? have you never heard of recovery from injuries, wats the point playing some1 with a tweaked hamstring against 1 of the best defenses in the league?

Spurs and blackburn have drawn the same number of games as liverpool. fulham and middlesboro one less. Can they push fir the premiership next season?

if you talk to any team's supporters there are so many needless points dropped and thats what makes it interesting. they best team doesn't win every week. however, the good teams are able to squeeze a point out of bad days and steal 3 on the mediocre ones.

you didnt think that point through at all.  games won by spurs  11. games won by blackburn 15. games won by liverpool 20. Im comparing the form of the top two with liverpools. united have only drawn 6 and chelsea 9 though each team has lost nearly the same amount of games so as i said originally DRAWS COST US OUR SEASON

so dinny and uladh you both disagree with the thinkin that too many draws cost us the seaon?

Yes because it's all hypothtical, you can apply the same logic to any team, Liverpool imho lack quality all over the park, only Torres and at a push Gerrard would get into either Chelsea's or Man U's first XI because those the are the only two Liverpool players that I as neutral would rank as better than anything either of those two teams already have.
Liverpool are as far away from the winning the premiership as they ever have been.

yeah gerrard at a push !! ha ha your funny! wat bout masch, skrtel, carra, agger and in a few years babel. oh yeah wat about our reina who for the THIRD consecutive season will win the golden glove?

The team you picked stiff would win fcuk all

great reasoning

I think there are ifs and buts in every team's season. deluding yourself that only liverpool were unlucky seems to be a fun passtime though

no your way of my thinking. No way do I think we were UNLUCKY , far from it, just making the point that we are not that far from challenging for the title and the talk of a squad overhaul and bringin in 5 or 6 players is ludacrious. One or two top players at most away from mounting a challenge IMO.

Money my friend is all that matters, you are as delusional as the aveage Liverpool supporter if you think any professional footballer signs for a team to win trophies...is that why Lucas Neill joined the Hammers?? 

why do players sign for arsenal then? Its definately not money as there is a salary cap in place and its not to win trophys either. Im baffled to tell ya the truth

so dinny and uladh you both disagree with the thinkin that too many draws cost us the seaon? AZ I agree with you about depth its where we are lacking but with limited funds I would like to see 1 top class player and then more youth brought in.

Was over at the game on sunday and was surprised no Crouch in the squad - I assume its a given he i gone.
I only hope we can replace him with better or Ill be annoyed. If that tube vorinin is retained as well itll be hard to understand.

I honestly dont see a place for him in the current system, the lad tried his best , all he can do is score goals. I think rafa will stick with 1 up front and its always gonna be torres. I would like to see a bit of youth brought in, we have babel and kuyt as back up strikers and also nemeth who has shown good signs in the reserves. No point spending a fortune on a top striker to leave him on the bench.

Lads im not sure why everyone is getting a rooter for Barry, he is an average/good player and exactly the kind of player we have too many of at the minute. If he was Scottish you could buy him for £4mill.

if he was scottish and still the captain of villa and turning in good performances every week how would his price differ?? dont understand this at all?

Wharerefssobad, that is quite possibly the worst joke, and I use that term loosly, that I have heard yet. Be more inventive man!

Barry would be a good buy, ONeill would be interested in all three Pool players offered. Carson has become unreliable so I am not surprised he is not keen on him.

For the Babel v Crouch arguement, I probably would have rathered Crouch but Babel scored so we can't really qaustion.

A nice team for next year:

Reina
Carragher Agger Skertel Rafinha

Bentley Gerrard Mascherano Barry
Torres    Aguero/ Hunntelear

4-4-2 will not win the premiership. why would we change the gerrard torres partnership which has proven sucessful in the league with the exception of against man u?

my team would be

                                    reina
carra             skrtel                  agger          insua

                     masch           alonso

kuyt                       gerrard                barry

                              torres         

So you think that if you add Barry to the team you will be able to challenge for the PL

As for sticking with Kuyt - have you no ambition at all? An average player - nothing else

How far where we off challenging this season really? the league says 11 points but had we put out a full strength team against brum it would no doubt be 9 and then we played a second side against arsenal also and only drew so realistically it is only 7. we have only lost 4 games this term but we drew THIRTEEN!!!  By adding TWO new players to our team we will challenge i believe.( insua) didnt play except for last week and a sub against brum. dont forget we have only 30 million to spend this year, barry is a good player , english so he is gritty and will work like fcuk. as for kuyt , im a big fan of his, he had a rough start to the season when he lost his father and he wasnt scoring. I wouldnt disagree with bently but we also have babel who will have a seasons experience behind him.