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http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-claiming-the-bulk-of-gaa-s-development-funds-1.2091641

Dublin claiming the bulk of GAA's development funds
Annual financial report for 2014 shows capital netting more than the other combined 31 counties

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As Padraig Duffy said those figures are completely misleading as Dublin's coaching wage bill is accounted for in their total while this is not the case for every other county. This won;t stop the usual suspects pissing and moaning though.

I wouldn't know who to contact about a few things but a quick google or perhaps a phone call to a friend would sort out a lot, just because every player doesn't have Dessie's number on speed dial is a nothing story. This is another example of lads here looking for any reason to have a little dig at the GPA, most likely because they have a problem with them representing IC players only and therefore anything that is less than perfect is worth criticising. It's a strange obsession in many ways considering they are there to help IC players and do that. They are just about the last thing we should be concerned about in the GAA but if it helps pass the winter for you boys crack on.

Sounds good but in reality only those that have a neck or that know Dessie/lads in GPA would initiate contact.
That's what this player told me. He had a good player friend insist he rang the GPA.
Only for that he wasn't going to!
He didn't know he could or what was on offer!
This isn't a dig!
It's that they aren't properly promoting themselves!

Lynchboy. Every county panel has a GPA rep elected or nominated by the players. Should your mate not just of spoken to his rep?

It's well known that Brolly won't accept cash for club events even though he does them nearly every single week.

Maybe so but I seriously doubt the suggestions made here that Brolly donates his RTE money to charity. I think he would have mentioned it in the article if he did. While he seems to be a charitable soul he also likes to advertise the fact as the article proves. 

I am not a big fan of this 'award' as too often it flies in the face of reality.  Players picked to get them an award rather than picked in the position they played.

Surprising to see only 5 for Kerry and 3 each for beaten semi-finalists.  Fairly sure if Dublin won the AI, they would have 7-9 All Stars.  Poor selection to 3 Dubs honoured; these guys destroyed inferior division two/three teams and then when the crunch came they were nowhere to be seen against Donegal.  PF and DC were excellent for the first 20 minutes of that game, but when the team needed them to deliver scores in the second half they failed.  Connelly definitely deserved one he was excellent even in that second half. Flynn was not there when it mattered; he got a 'handy' one I feel.  Unbelievably James Mccarthy gets an all-star despite their whole half-back line getting destroyed against Donegal.  This is the award I have most issues with; I can't see any way he deserved one.

For me Aidan O'Mahony is the big looser, he is nine years older than Michael Murphy and completely nullified him in the biggest game of the year.  He was fantastic all year for us and definitely deserved one ahead of McCarthy. Frank McGlynn & Thompson deserved one ahead of McCarthy as well.  A special mention for Donncha Walsh, another consistently good year for him, in my view well deserving of an all-star but alas he doesn't have the media profile of other candidates; hopefully a county final; medal on Sunday will make-up for his omission.

Don't be annoying my hole. Kerry lads have been winning All Stars for beating inferior opposition since the year dot.

If you want to take All Stars off Flynn and McCarthy for one  poor half of football well we better take James O Donoghue's off him too because he was crap for the whole AIF.

Then you want to give an All Star to Aidan O Mahony because he marked a lad out of it that was younger than him? I don;t remember seeing special exemptions for auld lads anywehere in the selection criteria. And he wasn't fantastic all year he was adequate. He may have just about deserved one but it should be at the expense of Paul Murphy or Peter Crowley who only got one to boost Kerry's numbers up a bit.

The reason Kerry have only 5 nominations is because they are the worst team to win an All Ireland in living memory. Fitzmaurice deserves a Nobel Prize for miracles.

As i said it would be silly for the Dublin players to be holding down full time demanding Jobs. The world is their oyster and they are enjoying the perks of being as close to a professional athlete as an amateur can be without the financial worries of an amateur. It is a great time to be a Dublin footballer and the way things are going things can only get better.

You know then in 2012 19 members of the Donegal squad were professional athletes because they had no job.

Explain.

How does not having a job make you a pro athlete, Indy? I was a pro athlete in college and I never knew it.

I know a lot about Donegal. How they train, what they do, how often they do it and have a very good idea of how much money they spend. They are a professional squad in everything but name- exactly like the other top 4 counties.

And in 2012 they were professional. I would argue even more then Dublin.

Professional is a word that gets thrown out a lot  but to me it's something you either are or you aren't. Dublin isn't a pro team despite heir professional approach to training and conditioning but does 'jobs for the boys' (or not) really make any county professional? I don't know.

It all sounds like the sort of loopholes that would only exists in an amateurish organisation, ironically.

They are professional except they don't get paid. It really is that high now. Its higher then it was 5 years ago.

Where its going to end God knows.

I hear all sorts of rumours - mostly about Donegal and Dublin - and I'd love for someone to actually research and tell me what every player on each panel does for a living.

No need to research - all here for you:

http://www.dublingaa.ie/teams/senior-football

Wouldn't bother really Heffo. Best telling them what they want to hear that no Dublin player has a job and that they are professionals driving free cars etc etc. Yerra shur how can any county compete with that??

Facts really can be awkward sometimes.

Christ Canalman will you relax. Not once did I say any of those things. I said I hear rumours about all the top counties, I didn't say I believed them. In fact that's why I asked.

The worst thing about this whole resources debate is how paranoid it makes some Dublin fans. Where's that legendary sense of humour?

Anyway thanks for the link Heffo. Yeah I knew what Cullen and McMahon did but there's a lot of other players where I wasn't sure.

Barman 1
Teacher 4
*AIG Insurance 1
Physio 1
S&C 2
Student 17
Health & Safety 1
Tax Consultant 1
Business Advisor 1
Bank 1
Business Owner 1
Stock Broker 1
*Aer Lingus 1
Sales Rep 1
Entrepreneur 1
Account Manager 1
QS 1

* County Sponsor

No one unemployed and only 2 employed by sponsors, thought it would have been more somehow.

Damn good-looking team too...

Out of the team that started against Monaghan I make it 10 lads in full time employment and 5 students. So much for the jibes about professional sportsmen  and lads being given imaginary jobs by the Dublin County Board. BTW Dublin COunty Board employ 2 Laois inter county footballers and no Dublin ones. Its ok Don't Matter. We're cool like that. Don't mention it.

I think you boys need to start a separate thread as this has f00k all to do with this thread, please and thank you.

Fair enough but he started it!

PS - I heard Jin Gavin refer to Dublin's "coaching staff" yesterday. Doesn't staff mean paid employees?
Where's Don't Matter when you need him?

Do you reckon John Evans is driving up from Kerry to manage your lot because he likes the beautiful boggy Roscommon scenery. And what about John Maughan and Tommy Carr?

Glasshouses!

We can't afford STAFF End of story. We certainly can't afford 5 bucks with laptops for our U21s like one big County can( hint - they won the U21 AI this year).
Johneen Evans gets EXPENSES as provided for in GAA rules.
Our Bus is "cost neutral".
I dont mind slagging etc but the mention of the 2 Army Bucks is a step too far.

Expenses my hole! I doubt even you believe that and by the way it wasn't the laptops that kicked 2-20 in the first half of the A Ireland u21 Final.

PS - I heard Jin Gavin refer to Dublin's "coaching staff" yesterday. Doesn't staff mean paid employees?
Where's Don't Matter when you need him?

Do you reckon John Evans is driving up from Kerry to manage your lot because he likes the beautiful boggy Roscommon scenery. And what about John Maughan and Tommy Carr?

Glasshouses!

I'm not getting involved in the tit for tat nonsense but I was told a story by a guy recently that I wanted to check with some of the Dublin lads.

He's not one for bullshitting but he reckoned at least 90% of the Dublin lads are Full Time GAA players. I'd love to see the pen pics from yesterdays programme to see the actual occupations but he reckons the majority are students/teachers and that in the summer months they are full time in NADA where their S&C sessions are logged, all their food/supplements are supplied and all physio/rehab is done during the day and they have their field sessions in the evening.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

Don't get me wrong there is a hell of a lot of work done before that to get lads into that position but is there any other county in Ireland that could compete with the above?

I can shed light on it for you. Its not true. All training is done in the evening apart from weekends. Same as people saying there are 100 full time coaches is not true. (there are 35 or so)

Cluxton jogs up to his 45's and it probably adds about 10-15 seconds. But that is not the end of the world. But I disagree about Morgan. He is out of his goals the second the umpire raises his arm. I don't think Morgan holds up things hardly at all.

For Morgan's first 45 on Saturday evening, there was a lapse of exactly 50 seconds between the ball going out and Morgan kicking the ball. I got bored after that.

yip slows the game down and its pretty pathetic that an intercounty footballer cant kick a ball of air over from 40 odd metres

Just shows how some of the skill are not being coached properly

Cluxton took  70 odd seconds in the AI FINAL IN 2011 and the ref did add any time   A  JOKE

Just curious, did you time the Kerry free takers in that game too?   How did the time they took compare to the time taken by Cluxton?

i timed a few of the Kerry frees in that match just to see how Cluxton compared. Kerry took a lot of frees from the hands and Gooch does not hang about. His average time from whistle being blown to kicking the ball was just over 20 seconds. But these were mostly close in and easily kickable. I think you have to allow for the fact that Cluxton only ever takes difficult frees. And people do take longer for those ones.

As for Morgan taking 50 seconds to get a kick in the other night, I think that pretty much meets my expectation of his added time. A 50 from umpire lifting his arm to the kick being taken is around 30 seconds. So Morgan added 15-20 seconds to that. Not an awful lost really over the course of a game.

Brian Sheehan took over a minute to tale a free in the middle of the second half. At the time Kerry looked like they were coasting. I'd say if he had a chance to take it again he'd speed it up a small bit.

Will the Laois lads hang around for this game or will they abandon ship and head off to the States for the handy money like they did last year? The Dubs lads will hang around anyway. We've loads of money or haven't you heard?

A few lads headed off for work last summer, if Laois GAA could invent jobs for their players like in Dubl$n then they wouldn't have to.

There are currently no Dublin Senior Footballers employed by the Dublin County Board. But guess what, there are  2 Laois Senior Footballers currently employed by the benevolent kindly old uncle that is Dublin GAA. Don't mention it. We're cool like that.

Always have Dubs in Croke Park.

50,000 in Croke Park generates more dosh than 20,000 in Portlaoise.

30,000 extra @ (say) €20 = €600k for Leinster.

More money for Leinster means more funding for all Leinster counties when the dust settles at the end of the year.
More funding means counties can spend more on developing players.
Better players means better county teams - with a realistic chance of upsetting Dubs.



May be a wee bit simplistic but in general it's true.

Absolutely correct. Don't matter should be grateful that Dublin are helping generate revenue to weaker counties like Laois but instead all he does is piss and moan.

With all the millions of euro given to Dubl$n GAA over the past decade and with the extra millions given by aig, this has to be one of the most unbalanced and unfair championship games in the history of the GAA. If the moneybags don't win by 40+ points they should be ashamed of themselves.

Will the Laois lads hang around for this game or will they abandon ship and head off to the States for the handy money like they did last year? The Dubs lads will hang around anyway. We've loads of money or haven't you heard?

Good article on off the ball about this where they had the ref on where he said there was f**k all fighting and he sent off the four lads he saw striking. He went on to say he received a death threat from "the Laois Trio", which he read out, said he'd get the same thing as the lads in the north, the bullet and not to travel alone, them seemed to have a particular fixation on his car.
Then they had on Kevin O'Brien who said he saw nothing and some Laois lad who basically claimed Laois did nothing wrong and was very bitter, he was the real comedy of the piece. Well worth a listen, its on the off the ball gaa podcast

Heard this last night and it was a really good piece. Ref confirmed that he wasn't horsed into the boot of a car which was one of the myths that had built up. The letter than he received was real scummy - very bad form.

The letter sounded awful like the work of Don't Matter.

I think Don't matters accusations are brushed aside a little to easily. I'd have a few questions of my own on the finances from croke park...
1- How is money divided out to all counties. Is it proportional to amount of members, the state of development in the counties or just divide by 32.
2- A table of what counties got in 2014 & 2013 would be very interesting.
3- Don't Matter says each Dublin club has a full time paid coach on their books. Is this true? How is this funded? Certainly no such role exists in the 40 odd clubs in Cavan.
4- One thing that is for sure, Dublin get a serious advantage to play almost every game in croke park. There are probably solid financial reasons for it but it is still an advantage. Image if Tyrone had every game in Omagh, Mayo might even with an All Ireland if every game was in McHale park.
5- The crux is whether Dublin are getting disproportionate support from HQ. Most clubs in the country raised their own money through Lottos, raffles etc and built their facilities that way. Ive read a few Dublin posters imply they have a god given right to get such funding from Croke park. Could it be the GAA are putting more money into Dublin than they should in order to win over the hearts and minds of young Dubs? That might be a noble aspiration but it could also be deemed a extremely unfair advantage to Dublin.

I don't have the answers, but I'd love to hear opinions on both sides versus my questions.

There are 92 clubs in Dublin and 35 GPO's. Only a semi retarded numpty like Don't Matter could equate this to one full time coach per club. The clubs themselves pay 50% of their GPO's wages while the DCB cover the rest. Always bear in mind when reading Don't Matter posts that he makes stuff up. Lots of stuff.


The remaining Leinster counties can vote to move Dublin out of Croke Park for Leinster CHampionship games anytime they see fit. Laois, Westmeath, Wexford etc have  have so far decided not to do so because it would hut them financially.  This hpweber doesn't stop them moaning hypocrtically about a situation of their own making.