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Great post Puck, very measured. Hope youse are all doing well.

Think the Covid crew has moved onto con trails from what I can gather...

Armagh are a very unlikeable team, a lot of nasty individuals. Screaming in players faces and the like. It is one thing playing with aggression but it is another thing being nasty. Also on the TV broadcast I noticed an Armagh woman hurl abuse at Glass, I think it was around the end of first half.

You mustn't like any team if that's your bar

You boys must know Norm's MO at this stage! 

Would there be a case for splitting Ballinsacreen in 2? Consistently have B teams in football and hurling at underage, think they even have a D team at u14 football this year. Winning nothing of note at senior for a long time makes it less appealing I suppose

When is the last time a club split because of too many numbers? Can't have been too many examples in the last 30 years.

Split probably the wrong choice of word there but denfitly scope for a new club to take advantage of those numbers, same as Steelstown and Culmore in the town

I would love to know the rational behind this.  Unless there was a Mickey Harte style fall out there would be no appetite for another club in the parish.  From the far end of Moneyneana to the top of Sixtowns you'll get dyed-in-the-wool 'Screen men, women & children so where would this new club locate?  On the periphery of the parish you'd be eating into Glen on one side or Desertmartin on another.  There's a lot of barren land towards Banagher or Lissan on the other sides.  Maybe you mean towards Tobermore 

Regarding the numbers, it's brilliant to see.  Between football, hurling, camogie & LGFA at every age group its a logistical nightmare but would this new club offer these 4 codes or would you expect players and families to divide their loyalties between 2 clubs.

Was just a random thought from myself of where a possible new club could come from in Derry in terms of sheer numbers. I suppose in my example of Steelstown and Culmore I didn't consider the loyalty you speak of with Steelstown being a relatively new club which hasnt built up the generations yet which would have made the creation of Culmore easier and of course being townies.

In terms of retaining players I feel there's a better chance of youngsters sticking around if they're playing on an A team throughout their underage career rather than in possible C or D teams. I see it all the time in North Derry where adults playing reserve or 3rds football would go to a smaller club which is helping keep the likes of Magilligan and Drum afloat

Nothing up in Limavady or is it like Carrick?

Carrick is black hole, Limavady as far as I know has a catholic (or those who tick this box) majority

I saw the description this morning and I couldn't face listening. But I'll probably give it a go later.

End of Monday pod said they had a great one coming, one of their best yet, most powerful ever ... but hadn't recorded it yet. Saw the description and I'm sorry but I can't face it. God forbid Nibs gets a radio show

They're obviously playing on it at this stage.. Even the text descriptions are ott atm

That's the one thing I think about the podcast. It's great and they obviously get great reactions to it but they need to remember too that fundamentally their listener base are Gaa fans so need to not forget that too.

But all the podcasts are what the GAA is about, not just what happens on the pitch, which is covered each and every week.

What category would nipping be?

[No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi]

In hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.

What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.

No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi

Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.

Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.

Wrong decision making is a symptom of fatigue

So, trying to work a goal, and the thinking involved, extra movement, speed etc is a symptom of fatigue, and not just taking the much much simpler option of either tapping of fisting over the bar? Ok

Yes, precisely that scenario. The clarity of thought by a fully functioning brain would have gone for the easy point.

The tired mind doesn't see the variety of options open to it.

Or it, was drilled into the team that they needed goals and hence went for the jugular to put the game out of sight. A tired mind will literally have a player take the easiest option to him at the time ie tap the thing over, not over complete it

Always knew riding would be the way out of this.

Make love not war - what genius said this?

[No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi]

In hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.

What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.

No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi

Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.

Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.

Wrong decision making is a symptom of fatigue

So, trying to work a goal, and the thinking involved, extra movement, speed etc is a symptom of fatigue, and not just taking the much much simpler option of either tapping of fisting over the bar? Ok

[No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi]

In hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.

What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.

No one mentioned it as an issue last year when they should have beat Kerry in the AI semi

Didn't need to mention it - running out of steam and getting outscored 5 to 1 in the final stretch told its own tale.

Derry didn't run out steam, took 3 wrong options which would have put the game to bed pretty much.

In hindsight rushing The Glen players back with Derry without rest seems like such a dumb move.
Actually, forget hindsight, at the time it seemed a dumb move.

What's the max you give them 2 weeks? Would that make much of a difference now. They all got time off during the league. Glass said he likes a game every week rather than long rest periods, it means lighter training. None of them have been injured. They had 4 weeks without a game after the Donegal game. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Harte the past few weeks but I don't think that's a factor.

When the dust settles, we'll look back to the few glorious years before Portugal and be thankful we had them  . Post-Portugal is akin to some kind of GAA purgatory.

If Derry beat Westmeath and end up drawing Tyrone be some craic in here. 

Could be a poetic end to a season and a nail in Mickeys coffin or one of the best bouncebacks weve seen in a long time.
Unlikely though as Tyrone will be expecting to beat cork i would say.
Hard to predict who derry could get if they beat westmeath (big if). Looking at the other groups does anyone know if even points means it goes to score difference or head to head?

Think it's Louth, Mayo, Tyrone or Dublin. If we do manage to get through, you'd be praying for Tyrone. The handiest re opposition and mileage

A stay of execution, his role is completely untenable now

It looks like he has lost most of the players, and he certainly has lost the supporters.

Love all the Tyronies creaming their knickers all over this.

Not as much as the Derry wans creamed them after winning the league and clearing the shelf for the Sam Maguire Cup   

You've a posting ratio of about 30 Derry related posts to 1 Tyrone post.. Must be something more productive you could be at, no?

[Beat]

Two scenarios:
Beat by Westmeath, season over, night night
Sneak a win, draw Louth in the preliminary quarter and get beat!

Unfortunately this is the common theme atm!

Can't see the current management lasting beyond the year... Would be some turnaround if we made something out of this year

Derry were that bad we would have won on penalties

  100%.

The drive and effort put in by Armagh yesterday compared to ourselves really was night and day, shockingly so.
I'm not sure how we come back from a defeat like that tbh, death by a thousand cuts atm.
Murray, Baker and Gilmore put in great shifts, I'll leave it at that re the rest.
The bandwagon will be a fair bit lighter heading to the Westmeath game that's for sure!