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So how would we feel about this now???

Very interesting to see the discussions from 2012.

I feel that Karl Stewart, Neil McManus, Brian McFall, Paul Shiels and Liam Watson are worthy of a mention. I know winker had his issues with management etc at times but he was brilliant.
Was always a pity that young Hippy Donnellys career was cut so short, he was brilliant when came into the squad out of minor.

Any idea when the playoffs are due to happen? Haven't seen dates yet.
Have to ask, and it's a genuine question, are we not mad to expect players with families and other commitments year round, to be available around the 12th fortnight for games? There are 2-3 games taking place for clubs during this period in the hurling leagues. Add to this any club fortunate/unfortunate enough to be in a playoff situation.
Players asked not to take time off over cship Aug/Sept and usually July fortnight is the big one for hols.
Add to this county players who are asked not to take hols during the county season, and urged by their clubs to not miss championship prep & games. At what stage do we begin to look at the players as people, instead of numbers to be "ticked off" in a fixture list.

Watching the stream.

How can I mute Jerome? That guy can't help himself. He's hard enough to tolerate wheeling out clichés with football but he's insufferable to listen to regarding hurling.

I know what you mean, I can't stand him either! Although mine probably a bit different than yours. I remember being told that he gave off to Sean Kelly for videoing an in-game goal and putting it on his social media page. This was why I loved Sean as PRO, he was brilliant at put up real time video highlights when you weren't able to watch the game. It's quite clear that Jerome has stopped all chances of that now unless you pay him your money. Only highlights we see now are quotes from himself and his own highlights. I'd actually argue that's why we don't get to see highlights of junior & intermediate games! I stand to be corrected.
I understand paying for the stream, but what about Antrim GAA members just having a way of enjoying games in Antrim without the censorship?

Complaining about seeing games you'd have never seen had you went to the game?

Censorship? Explain how he has stopped it? Also be keen to hear who was stopped bringing live commentary games

Complaining about NOT seeing highlights we used to see of games, which was useful for those who COULD NOT make the games. Can't understand how that part was hard to follow in my last post. Censorship being where Jerome moaned and complained enough to stop SK from putting up highlights of games he was at up on the social media page. If you genuinely aren't acting stupid... the Neil McManus handpass vs Sarsfields is an example of one we'd have seen in the past from Sean. Was a great addition to the social media channels. No idea what you're talking about re the live commentary. Entitled to the opinion MR2, I'd agree with you on most things here but it seems you're opposing the criticism regardless of what it's at.

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(Apologies was unaware I used the name)

I'm just saying we are complaining about games being shown or available which we never had. I'm wondering who stepped forward to do the recording of games other than Jerome?
And to finish no one needs to watch it if you feel it's not up to standard, and trust me the club games available on the firestick and nowhere near as good.

Oh one more thing that handpass was illegal when I watched it again lol, and I was the ref that day.

There are club games on Firestick?!    Why am I only hearing this now? What channel?

Watching the stream.

How can I mute Jerome? That guy can't help himself. He's hard enough to tolerate wheeling out clichés with football but he's insufferable to listen to regarding hurling.

I know what you mean, I can't stand him either! Although mine probably a bit different than yours. I remember being told that he gave off to Sean Kelly for videoing an in-game goal and putting it on his social media page. This was why I loved Sean as PRO, he was brilliant at put up real time video highlights when you weren't able to watch the game. It's quite clear that Jerome has stopped all chances of that now unless you pay him your money. Only highlights we see now are quotes from himself and his own highlights. I'd actually argue that's why we don't get to see highlights of junior & intermediate games! I stand to be corrected.
I understand paying for the stream, but what about Antrim GAA members just having a way of enjoying games in Antrim without the censorship?

Complaining about seeing games you'd have never seen had you went to the game?

Censorship? Explain how he has stopped it? Also be keen to hear who was stopped bringing live commentary games

Complaining about NOT seeing highlights we used to see of games, which was useful for those who COULD NOT make the games. Can't understand how that part was hard to follow in my last post. Censorship being where Jerome moaned and complained enough to stop SK from putting up highlights of games he was at up on the social media page. If you genuinely aren't acting stupid... the Neil McManus handpass vs Sarsfields is an example of one we'd have seen in the past from Sean. Was a great addition to the social media channels. No idea what you're talking about re the live commentary. Entitled to the opinion MR2, I'd agree with you on most things here but it seems you're opposing the criticism regardless of what it's at.

Edit by Mod5 to remove poster name
(Apologies was unaware I used the name)

Watching the stream.

How can I mute Jerome? That guy can't help himself. He's hard enough to tolerate wheeling out clichés with football but he's insufferable to listen to regarding hurling.

I know what you mean, I can't stand him either! Although mine probably a bit different than yours. I remember being told that he gave off to Sean Kelly for videoing an in-game goal and putting it on his social media page. This was why I loved Sean as PRO, he was brilliant at put up real time video highlights when you weren't able to watch the game. It's quite clear that Jerome has stopped all chances of that now unless you pay him your money. Only highlights we see now are quotes from himself and his own highlights. I'd actually argue that's why we don't get to see highlights of junior & intermediate games! I stand to be corrected.
I understand paying for the stream, but what about Antrim GAA members just having a way of enjoying games in Antrim without the censorship?

A lot of good points there but the challenge game doesn't work if the neighbouring counties are playing games every week and we are the only county in Ulster who run dual to the level we do.

I don't know the other county fixtures to look at that. But what's the solution? If we run it all together in the same week, we end up with the league over a lot quicker and many lads/ladies being run into the ground.
A non-dual league every second week? Just means you potentially play the same team 4 times that year but allows for more game opps and the dual lads don't get hammered? Only thing is, I don't fancy putting my hand up for fixtures in CB this year     Which is probably what it all comes down to.
If it's a serious issue get it raised through club officials and recommend a fixtures 'task force' to review and resolve.

So at u-15 is it one match per fortnight?

How long does the season last?

I've only a daughter that plays now and there's just different days for her to be playing across football and Camogie.

U-12 Camogie is a Sunday, football is a Friday night.

U-14 Camogie is a Saturday, u-16 football is a Thursday.

U-16 Camogie is a monday, u-16 football is a Tuesday.

She's at two different clubs due to where we live and sometimes training clashes but we just manage how we operate it.

Surely something like that could be organised where there's a set day and you aim to get a match per week. If it's too much for them, they'll probably pick one code eventually but the more matches the better imo as long as training is managed well.

The problem here is that if the kids are good enough to play the age grade above, then she plays games 4 nights of the week. This might also mean they're capable of playing county level where a specific training programme might be in place for them. Add to that school teams of their own age and age above and add to that any additional sports the child plays.
At what stage do they get the chance to actually train? Whilst games are great for kids, we need them training also to refine their skills. There is an argument for games based coaching, but that's in a controlled environment where the coach can dictate appropriate development through coaching progressions. If they're playing so many games per week, at what stage do they actually get the chance to develop their bodies for sport away from the field? From 15+ do we not want to be educating our youngsters on injury prevention and a healthy lifestyle in the gym too?

Re the dual question, almost sure Dublin do a hurling week and a football week. Instead of playing the same teams over and over why not use the week off (as a non dual club) to go get a challenge game
Every 2nd 4th week in nearby counties etc? A chance to freshen up the schedule and expose your team to other styles of players & football/hurling?
Def think the games programme could be adapted differently too. Have the 15 a side comps at certain times of the year and 7-9 a side comps at other times of the year. We have breaks for exams and breaks for holidays and even teams failing to field at these times of the year. Why not try a weekly small sided competition where teams can enter 1 team or 4 teams depending on numbers? Have the competition at certain times of the year (eg exams, hols) so the kids can have a consistent games programme instead of other teams failing to field as they were never going to get 13-15 kids together anyway.

[unless the ref sees a throwball.]

Just to 'throw' in my tupence on the handpass - pardon the pun...

Agree with MR on this and his application - hurling is played at 100mph and no ref in the country will NE able to position themselves perfectly for every play (its impossible) you can't be blowing fouls for throwballs unless the ref sees a throwball.

We also can't be having referees guess and blowing up because they're assuming no striking action takes place. that's a slippery slope i wouldn't want to go down regards ruining the game.

Also dissappointing to see foks want the game referred to the technicality of the rulebook, its the very thing that will again ruin the game.

This is the problem in my mind

The ref doesn't need to see a throwball - he just needs to see a handpass completed without a DEFINITE striking action

The rules are there to police the handpass, but refs/players/supporters are currently of a mindset that unless it's a definite throw, it's not a foul

The only person that can drive the change is the referees - and they currently have all the tools required to do it

On the point that the ref can't see everything - of course he can't

But don't tell me he can't see 66% of them

As a player and a coach I find it hard to believe that you still play. Let's say that the ball in is your defence.... Is struck up to a half forward/corner forward, who pops a handpass off to a runner coming off the shoulder all within the space of 2-5 seconds, and you think the ref will should be up with that play to see the handpass from the perfect angle? And to add to that, you want the ref to blow it if he doesn't see it??? It's 2 or 3 refs you need per game!

As a player my view is this, unless the man overhand throws the ball 20/30 yards over the bar, then get on with the game and make sure you or your team mates do enough to prevent the pass or subsequent score from happening. If it happens and the ref doesn't blow, get up, get on with it and get the next score. Leave the game alone ffs.

Feile is everything that is bad about the Gaa, a horrible competition that goes completely against everything the Gaa have been promoting via go games

Not so sure it's Feile where the problem lies. More so the attitude/behaviour of some coaches.
Feile is great for getting more games and a chance to experience hurling against teams from other counties etc.
it's the kids with bad coaches that don't enjoy the experience eg coach gets too competitive, acts the complete maggot and forgets he's dealing with 12-15 year olds. He might make less substitutes (which is life) but might not be as sensitive in helping a child understand the reasoning for no game time, how they could improve etc. 

Not really sure about Saffrongaels comment about the "promotion" of it from Gaelfast, I'd much prefer the focus was on coordinating the games, sorting venues and using their time working with clubs and in schools as opposed to being glorified PROs.

Saw an interesting discussion on the football thread re favourite refs.
Always had a preference to those that could let the game go and still maintain control of the game, if that's possible. Was always fond of the refs who'd talk to you with respect too, if they blew a foul, you knew what for an you got on with it (regardless of your manager/supporters being blue in the face!)

Owen Elliot
Skinny
Darren McKeown
Fintan McCotter

Def forgetting some good refs, Any others?

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Saw an interesting discussion on the football thread re favourite refs.
Always had a preference to those that could let the game go and still maintain control of the game, if that's possible. Was always fond of the refs who'd talk to you with respect too, if they blew a foul, you knew what for an you got on with it (regardless of your manager/supporters being blue in the face!)

Owen Elliot
Skinny
Darren McKeown
Fintan McCotter

Def forgetting some good refs, Any others?

[Dunloy 4]

O'NEILLS SPORTSWEAR ACHL DIV 1
Ballycran---v---Cuchullains Dun Lathaí Dunloy 4
Cathaoir an Rí---v---Na Seamróga LOUGHGIEL 10
Ballygalget GAC---v---Naomh Éanna DRAW
Ruairí Óg---v---Mac Uílín CLG CUSHENDALL 8
ACHL DIV 2
Glenariffe Oisin CLG---v---Kickhams GLENARIFFE 2
Robert Emmets Cushendun---v---Tír na nÓg CUSHENDUN 6
Bredagh---v---Naomh Gall NAOMH GALL 2
Shane Uí Néill---v---Pádraig Sáirseil DRAW
Carryduff---v---Ghaeil Chluanaidh CLOONEY 6

ACHL DIV 3
Con Magee's Glenravel---v---Na Magha GLENRAVEL 5
Naomh Brid Cloiche An Mhuillinn---v---Cuchulainn CLOUGHMILLS 4
Glen Rovers---v---Lamh Dhearg ARMOY 6
Gort na Móna CLG---v---All Saints Ballymena GNM 5
ACHL DIV 4
Belfast Saints HC---v---Anraí Seoighe SAINTS 10+
Naomh Bríd---v---Ciceam Ard Eoin ST BRIGIDS 5
MacDaibhéid---v---Loch Mór Dál gCais GAC DAVITTS 10+