This guys deserves to be bannedfor destroying a mans game! i think the Kerry boys are watching too much soccer!
It's a pity because he's a great player, but I thought Donaghy and cooper weren't too far behind in their actions.
His goading was awful too before he got viciously assaulted by O'Connor. Will be interesting to see what the Kerry boys have to say about it.
Well that's one less county we'll have to listen to now regarding Diving.... in it's purest form ::)
The term Pathetic doesn't do it justice. :-[
I very rarely take a dislike to a player but O'Mahony is definitely getting up there. Thoroughly unpleasant character.
well Donaghy and Cooper are real bitches and spend most of the second half on the floor. when cork scored there second goal to go 3pts behind i was just waiting for cooper to get his hands on the ball and then spend 2mins on the ground after getting a knock!
2b honest as a neutral the actions of the kerry players are probably turnin them in2 a hated team,their indiscipline,play acting and diving are pathetic.. for me donaghy takes it too far....
embarrassing, and goading his opponent to boot. can't wait for the gobshite corps on the sunday game.
A bit of peotic justice at the end there with the dodgy penalty decision going against O'Mahoney.
Would the Cork lad have been sent off had O'Mahoney not thrown himself down like a pussy?? (I know he struck but some refs would let that go if there were no histrionics)
i know it was "technically" a strike but donncha o'connor should get that red card rescinded. common sense should prevail but as we all know it very rarely does with the GAA top brass.
The GAA should take a stance and ban O'Mahoney for a game same as the Cork lad
If the authorities don't act against the most cowardly act ever witnessed at headquarters they should hang their heads in shame. He has brought disgrace both to his county and to the association
Quote from: clarshack on August 24, 2008, 05:36:09 PM
i know it was "technically" a strike but donncha o'connor should get that red card rescinded. common sense should prevail but as we all know it very rarely does with the GAA top brass.
Then you're leaving the interpretation of the intensity of the strike up to the officials. As it is now, players know that if they're seen striking an opponent, no matter how harmless, they're gone. O'Connor has no cause for complaint.
Kerry have roughly the same mix of pure footballers, sneaks, cheats and henchmen as any other successful team in the last 15 or 20 years. Armagh, Tyrone, Meath, Cork, Dublin etc.
Why we should enjoy putting the boot in to them, is the amount of preening they do to try and portray themselves as "the fillet of football", playing some sort of pure distilled version of the game. ;)
Remember Billy Morgan made a few obvious observations a couple of years back about Kerry's abilities at the darker arts. A few Kerry folks went into meltdown. That kinda shows how big a deal the image cultivation is to them.
Once you try and exalt yourself as being a cut above, you should expect to get a bit of flak when you plainly don't live up to the lofty billing.
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Quote from: clarshack on August 24, 2008, 05:36:09 PM
i know it was "technically" a strike but donncha o'connor should get that red card rescinded. common sense should prevail but as we all know it very rarely does with the GAA top brass.
Then you're leaving the interpretation of the intensity of the strike up to the officials. As it is now, players know that if they're seen striking an opponent, no matter how harmless, they're gone. O'Connor has no cause for complaint.
Or not, as demonstrated in a high profile case from last weekend. The fact remains that the implementation of the rule is not clear cut.
omahony is a disgrace and should lose any cahnce he had of an allstar due to his actions in this game. no way oconnor should have got sent off,it was nothing more than a playful slap and i wouldnt even consider it a strike.stop trying to turn gaelic into soccer.....
He really should be banned (and anyone else who acts like that) for the sake of the game.
He's a Garda isn't he?
Its cowardly and too easy to kick a man when he's down and I do not like joining in this thread.
Today however, O'Mahoney lost that respect that normally protects our amateur players. Today he became a shame to the Kerry tradition and jersey, his county, the game of gaelic in general, and, most of all, himself.
I find if strange how good players (e.g. Ricy) allow themselves to be dragged into such morass. All Star for O'Mahoney -never.
Maybe, even Galvin is made of better stuff?
Quote from: J70 on August 24, 2008, 05:48:12 PM
Then you're leaving the interpretation of the intensity of the strike up to the officials. As it is now, players know that if they're seen striking an opponent, no matter how harmless, they're gone. O'Connor has no cause for complaint.
It depends what you define as strike.
If O'Connor "struck" O'Mahony, then you could take it a step further and interpret shaking hands before the game as a form of striking.
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on August 24, 2008, 05:58:53 PM
Its cowardly and too easy to kick a man when he's down and I do not like joining in this thread.
Today however, O'Mahoney lost that respect that normally protects our amateur players. Today he became a shame to the Kerry tradition and jersey, his county, the game of gaelic in general, and, most of all, himself.
I find if strange how good players (e.g. Ricy) allow themselves to be dragged into such morass. All Star for O'Mahoney -never.
Maybe, even Galvin is made of better stuff?
id be off the opinion that galvin is by far the better man,purely because although he gives it,he also takes a fair bita abuse.
thats and the fact u no what ur dealing with in galvin,bit like ricey in that regard.
think most people are disgusted with omahony cos he was held in quite high regard before the game and now just elt himself down.shame that 1 second can destroy a players rep but thats the price u pay
it will be interesting to hear what the panelists on the sunday game have to say about cynical football now. I would also like to question the Donegal man on TV3 talking about cynical Tyrone what has he to say now. Don't like to be too harsh on anyone and I am not a fan of our own players attempts at diving but O'Mahoney would want to cop on to himself as he is a very high profile player. I think he should come out and apologise for his actions as he cannot be suspended. we are moving away from wanting to win to having to win at all levels and this kind of incident typifies it.
Quote from: Big Mickey on August 24, 2008, 05:52:02 PM
omahony is a disgrace and should lose any cahnce he had of an allstar due to his actions in this game. no way oconnor should have got sent off,it was nothing more than a playful slap and i wouldnt even consider it a strike.stop trying to turn gaelic into soccer.....
You can hardly call if a playful slap. The referee could have perhaps given him a yellow card but when you raise your hands at all you are asking for trouble. If you slap someone on the pitch regardless of how hard it is, it is difficult for the person being slapped not to rise to the bait, because if he does not, his manliness is called into question. Therefore the person being slapped is entitled to expect the ref to take action, before he has to.
That said, O'Mahony's actions are disgraceful. It's sickening to see so many players within the last ten years go go down in theatrical fashion to con the referee. I can recall a time not so long ago and not quite in the distant past when from under 12s up you were encouraged as a player never to go down and never show your opponent you are hurt unless you really were busted. It's time Croke park cracked down on this before football is riddled with it. You don't see too many rugby players or hurlers doing the same as they would be too proud to take a dive. O'Mahony can have no excuses as the issue has been highlighted this year and he will be aware that the previous 'divers' have been rightly ridiculed.
Quote from: clarshack on August 24, 2008, 05:36:09 PM
i know it was "technically" a strike but donncha o'connor should get that red card rescinded. common sense should prevail but as we all know it very rarely does with the GAA top brass.
Damn right.
Red card rescinded and O'Mahoney banned for good measure.
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Then you're leaving the interpretation of the intensity of the strike up to the officials. As it is now, players know that if they're seen striking an opponent, no matter how harmless, they're gone. O'Connor has no cause for complaint.
Away and grow a set for f**k sakes.
Get that soccer shitetalk to f**k.
Quotethink most people are disgusted with omahony cos he was held in quite high regard before the game and now just elt himself down.shame that 1 second can destroy a players rep but thats the price u pay
O'Mahoney has been at this sort of stuff in every game Mickey - as bad as Galvin and thats saying something. He had no reputation to destroy but at least was shown up today for what he is. Unfortunately this Kerry team have a few players who while good footballers are also thoroughly dislikeable characters - Galvin and O'Mahony are two of them and Cooper and Donaghy also do their share of mouthing and annoying stuff.
As least we should hear no more about negative Ulster football - todays game was largely a shambles and the word "puke" came to mind a few times.
he should be suspended for a game for bringing the game into disrepute, or unsportsmanlike conduct. pick one or the other.
The asshole should be at least shamed infront of the entire country for what he is "a cheat". He has dragged down Kerry football with himself, even if Kerry people are reluctant to admit it.
What is the penalty for throwing a ball at somebody. Clue, ask Gregory McCartan (Down v Tyrone 2003)
O Mahony has had this tendancy to get invloved needlessly in off the ball antics in previous games.
A fantastic footballer when he concentrates on the ball, but why does he feel the need to act a hateful ****, with his in your face, macho man approach!!
It was shameful to see him collapse in such a way, and agree that it sends out aimage of our games which we dont need.
He isnt the first to behave in such a manner, may i add!!
I thought o'connor actually showed restraint with o'mahony screaming into his face! Easily the most embarrassing and disgraceful act of cheating i have seen in a long time in a GAA match. This is actually a cynicism that flows throughout the kerry team - and has done for years - systematic fouling of opposition defenders to slow attacks, diving and shouting at refs after decisions go against them (donaghy is the worse offender at this) has been a feature of their game for years now. I actually dont mind this as its brought them undoubted success - but they shouldnt set themselves up as some sort of aristacrats of football and criticise other teams for it. Will the media will no doubt slam kerry for the cynical play in the coming days? I very much doubt it!!
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Quote from: J70 on August 24, 2008, 05:48:12 PM
Then you're leaving the interpretation of the intensity of the strike up to the officials. As it is now, players know that if they're seen striking an opponent, no matter how harmless, they're gone. O'Connor has no cause for complaint.
It depends what you define as strike.
If O'Connor "struck" O'Mahony, then you could take it a step further and interpret shaking hands before the game as a form of striking.
Let's not get too carried away. He gave him a slap, which is a strike. As far as I am aware, the rules don't distinguish between hard slaps and gentle slaps, but maybe I'm wrong.
Quote from: joemamas on August 24, 2008, 06:25:03 PM
he should be suspended for a game for bringing the game into disrepute, or unsportsmanlike conduct. pick one or the other.
The asshole should be at least shamed infront of the entire country for what he is "a cheat". He has dragged down Kerry football with himself, even if Kerry people are reluctant to admit it.
What is the penalty for throwing a ball at somebody. Clue, ask Gregory McCartan (Down v Tyrone 2003)
That was the first thing that crossed my mind when he did it ... only difference was McGuigan went down like a cheap hooker that day
Quote from: J70 on August 24, 2008, 06:49:14 PM
Let's not get too carried away. He gave him a slap, which is a strike.
Once again.
Away grow a set and get that soccer shitetalk to f**k!
Soon ye'll have "contact" being deemed worthy of a free-kick and before you know it gaelic football will be blessed with diving like the world cup etc.
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Quote from: clarshack on August 24, 2008, 05:36:09 PM
i know it was "technically" a strike but donncha o'connor should get that red card rescinded. common sense should prevail but as we all know it very rarely does with the GAA top brass.
Damn right.
Red card rescinded and O'Mahoney banned for good measure.
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Then you're leaving the interpretation of the intensity of the strike up to the officials. As it is now, players know that if they're seen striking an opponent, no matter how harmless, they're gone. O'Connor has no cause for complaint.
Away and grow a set for f**k sakes.
Get that soccer shitetalk to f**k.
Is this clear enough for you?
RULE 5 - AGGRESSIVE FOULS
5.1 To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with the head, arm, elbow, hand or knee.
5.2 To kick or attempt to kick an opponent.
5.3 To stamp on an opponent.
5.4 To behave in any manner which is dangerous to an opponent.
5.5 To strike or attempt to strike any match official. To interfere with or use abusive language or conduct to a match official.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Order offender off.
(ii) Free kick from where the foul occurred except as provided under EXCEPTIONS of Rule 2.2.
That was the Rivaldo moment of GAA.
Unfortunately the Cork man had to go in terms of applying the rules, but that reaction took the biscuit.
Quote from: Tatler Jack on August 24, 2008, 06:20:01 PM
Quotethink most people are disgusted with omahony cos he was held in quite high regard before the game and now just elt himself down.shame that 1 second can destroy a players rep but thats the price u pay
O'Mahoney has been at this sort of stuff in every game Mickey - as bad as Galvin and thats saying something. He had no reputation to destroy but at least was shown up today for what he is. Unfortunately this Kerry team have a few players who while good footballers are also thoroughly dislikeable characters - Galvin and O'Mahony are two of them and Cooper and Donaghy also do their share of mouthing and annoying stuff.
As least we should hear no more about negative Ulster football - todays game was largely a shambles and the word "puke" came to mind a few times.
still havn't read one post in regards to Kieran Donaghy GOADING Hayes while he was preparing and taking the penalty.
Quote from: J70 on August 24, 2008, 06:59:49 PM
Is this clear enough for you?
So when does a wee slap constitute a strike?
Only in the sad little world of divers like Deco, Ronaldo, Rooney, Gerrard et al.
No way was the cork lads sending off justifed. It was a rub on the face in a playful manner. A strike is different and intended to hurt. It has to be recinded. Common sense please prevail. Will we be getting sent off now for RUBBING A OPPONENTS HAIR in a playful way. FFS this is a joke.
O Mahony is a disgrace. Nothing new though there. Isnt always acting the prig. Some pups down in Kerry but in fairness there everywhere these days. I dont have to look too far so we cant be hypicirites. The kerry fans cant defend that and will not but theyll just have to get on with it and put it behind them. Id love to see the GAA try to put a stop to this. Who will be the fall guy?
Quote from: JMohan on August 24, 2008, 05:54:12 PM
He really should be banned (and anyone else who acts like that) for the sake of the game.
He's a Garda isn't he?
Wasn't he suspended form the Garda for a while a couple of years ago.Maybe not as white as white the lad
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 24, 2008, 07:03:40 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 24, 2008, 06:59:49 PM
Is this clear enough for you?
So when does a wee slap constitute a strike?
Only in the sad little world of divers like Deco, Ronaldo, Rooney, Gerrard et al.
From the rules it would appear always. Unless I have missed somewhere that states something to the contrary? Is the "strike" defined?
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on August 24, 2008, 07:05:30 PM
No way was the cork lads sending off justifed. It was a rub on the face in a playful manner. A strike is different and intended to hurt. It has to be recinded. Common sense please prevail. Will we be getting sent off now for RUBBING A OPPONENTS HAIR in a playful way. FFS this is a joke.
Now, it definitely wasn't a playful rub.
For an absolutely fantastic footballer, O'Mahony was an embarrassment to himself and his county, first of all for his odious taunting of O'Connor prior to his dive and mostly for that reaction to a tap on the cheek. He was a disgrace to the game today.
He knew well that McQuillan would be looking to even it up and went down knowing full well what would happen to Donnacha O'Connor.
As for the match itself, Kerry were by far the better team and it was daylight robbery by Cork to get a draw out of it. Nobody's fault but Kerrys own though, didn't play to the final whistle and got caught thinking the match was over. I thought the game was niggly, bad tempered and a hard slog to watch.
Will be interesting to see what reaction Pat Spillane and the Sunday Game panelists will come out with tonight, if it was two Ulster teams involved there would be plenty of accusations of puke football, or are we going to get more claptrap about the "pure" football of the Kingdom again?
Aidan's display today was shameful.
Quote from: J70 on August 24, 2008, 07:10:16 PM
From the rules it would appear always.
No it wouldn't.
"Strike" as a term is defined as "hit sharply" or deliver a "sharp blow". The quantification does not need to be defined by the rulebook, the word itself defines it.
Yer man was dismissed for a playful slap. That is not a strike.
It clearly showed the linesman telling the ref it was a slap.
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2008, 07:20:50 PM
It clearly showed the linesman telling the ref it was a slap.
Indeed.
I think (but cannot be sure) that the referee is the culprit here (along with O'Mahoney obviously).
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2008, 07:00:44 PM
That was the Rivaldo moment of GAA.
Unfortunately the Cork man had to go in terms of applying the rules, but that reaction took the biscuit.
Shades of wee Peter gettin Rooster Mc Cusker sent off in the '95 ulster semi final. Not a new phenomenon by any means
And don't forget the chosen one Gooch got away with elbowing an opponent in the face......
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Quote from: J70 on August 24, 2008, 07:10:16 PM
From the rules it would appear always.
No it wouldn't.
"Strike" as a term is defined as "hit sharply" or deliver a "sharp blow". The quantification does not need to be defined by the rulebook, the word itself defines it.
Yer man was dismissed for a playful slap. That is not a strike.
If your interpretation is the one the GAA uses, fine, I'll accept that. I have seen no evidence to suggest that it is though, and one would expect to see some mention of referee discretion discretion when it comes to interpreting the gentle slap to all-out strike continuum in the rule book
Quote from: J70 on August 24, 2008, 07:24:46 PM
If your interpretation is the one the GAA uses, fine, I'll accept that. I have seen no evidence to suggest that it is though, and one would expect to see some mention of referee discretion discretion when it comes to interpreting the gentle slap to all-out strike continuum in the rule book
"My" interpretation?
I suggest you go get hold of a dictionary.
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Quote from: JMohan on August 24, 2008, 05:54:12 PM
He really should be banned (and anyone else who acts like that) for the sake of the game.
He's a Garda isn't he?
Wasn't he suspended form the Garda for a while a couple of years ago.Maybe not as white as white the lad
Was he?
Don't remember that .... was that not Declan Quill?
He was sent back to repeat his training after an incident in a bar
Ah lads seriously, yes he acted the twit today but leave his private life out of it.
Quote from: Uladh on August 24, 2008, 07:39:10 PM
He was sent back to repeat his training after an incident in a bar
Accurately and delicately put!!
whatever about the merits of the slap/strike, would anything have happened if O'Mahony hadn't dived to the ground?
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 24, 2008, 07:27:31 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 24, 2008, 07:24:46 PM
If your interpretation is the one the GAA uses, fine, I'll accept that. I have seen no evidence to suggest that it is though, and one would expect to see some mention of referee discretion discretion when it comes to interpreting the gentle slap to all-out strike continuum in the rule book
"My" interpretation?
I suggest you go get hold of a dictionary.
I'm obviously going to have to spell this out: if the GAA use an interpretation based on a dictionary-definition of the word "strike", as you seem to think they either do or should, then I will accept that. Once again, I have not seen anywhere where this is stated. Have you?
Having just looked at an online dictionary, there are numerous different definitions of the word for its various uses. One of them is "to hit". A slap, playful, gentle or not, is a hit, as far as I am aware. And the same source, freedictionary.com, defines "to slap" as "To strike with a flat object, such as the palm of the hand."
Quote from: ludermor on August 24, 2008, 07:45:50 PM
whatever about the merits of the slap/strike, would anything have happened if O'Mahony hadn't dived to the ground?
I highly doubt it.
His dive got the man sent off.
QuoteShades of wee Peter gettin Rooster Mc Cusker sent off in the '95 ulster semi final.
My abiding memory of that game was Pascal using Barton's head as a speedball.......
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Quote from: JMohan on August 24, 2008, 05:54:12 PM
He really should be banned (and anyone else who acts like that) for the sake of the game.
He's a Garda isn't he?
Wasn't he suspended form the Garda for a while a couple of years ago.Maybe not as white as white the lad
Was he?
Don't remember that .... was that not Declan Quill?
O'Mahoney was charged with two counts of breach of the peace and interfering with a guard in Killarney - he was found not guilty on all counts.
Declan Quill was charged with assault of a woman and was also acquitted..
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Quote from: JMohan on August 24, 2008, 05:54:12 PM
He really should be banned (and anyone else who acts like that) for the sake of the game.
He's a Garda isn't he?
Wasn't he suspended form the Garda for a while a couple of years ago.Maybe not as white as white the lad
Was he?
Don't remember that .... was that not Declan Quill?
O'Mahoney was charged with two counts of breach of the peace and interfering with a guard in Killarney - he was found not guilty on all counts.
Declan Quill was charged with assault of a woman and was also acquitted..
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Take this shiter somewhere else and talk about the football Heffo and the rest of ye !
The rule is under the heading 'Aggressive Fouls' and includes the word striking. So I would imagine this is for aggressive striking, which a slight slap certainly isn't.
If you want to read the rule literally and think any contact using the hand is a strike and a red card, then every time you attempt to tackle and do not hit the ball , you would get sent off.
Quote from: J70 on August 24, 2008, 07:47:49 PM
I'm obviously going to have to spell this out: if the GAA use an interpretation based on a dictionary-definition of the word "strike", as you seem to think they either do or should, then I will accept that. Once again, I have not seen anywhere where this is stated. Have you?
What the f**k else are they gonna use? Strike = hit repeatedly with a baseball bat? ???
If they are going to make their own definition of strike, then they are going to have to define it. They don't, therefore the standard dictionary definition applies.
Quote from: J70 on August 24, 2008, 07:47:49 PM
Having just looked at an online dictionary, there are numerous different definitions of the word for its various uses. One of them is "to hit". A slap, playful, gentle or not, is a hit, as far as I am aware. And the same source, freedictionary.com, defines to slap as "To strike with a flat object, such as the palm of the hand."
"To hit sharply, as with the hand, the fist, or a weapon."
"To inflict (a blow)"
"To deal a blow or blows with or as if with the fist or a weapon; hit."
Do you still think the word "strike" means any kind of contact at all?
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He really should be banned (and anyone else who acts like that) for the sake of the game.
He's a Garda isn't he?
Wasn't he suspended form the Garda for a while a couple of years ago.Maybe not as white as white the lad
Was he?
Don't remember that .... was that not Declan Quill?
O'Mahoney was charged with two counts of breach of the peace and interfering with a guard in Killarney - he was found not guilty on all counts.
Declan Quill was charged with assault of a woman and was also acquitted..
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Take this shiter somewhere else and talk about the football Heffo and the rest of ye !
Both cases are a matter of public record - I pointed out that they were both acquitted.
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Quote from: JMohan on August 24, 2008, 05:54:12 PM
He really should be banned (and anyone else who acts like that) for the sake of the game.
He's a Garda isn't he?
Wasn't he suspended form the Garda for a while a couple of years ago.Maybe not as white as white the lad
Was he?
Don't remember that .... was that not Declan Quill?
O'Mahoney was charged with two counts of breach of the peace and interfering with a guard in Killarney - he was found not guilty on all counts.
Declan Quill was charged with assault of a woman and was also acquitted..
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Take this shiter somewhere else and talk about the football Heffo and the rest of ye !
Both cases are a matter of public record - I pointed out that they were both acquitted.
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I know but still not relevant !
I must say, this rightgeous indignation is very entertaining :D
I cant condone what Aidan O'Mahony did and I think someone in the Kerry camp needs to take him aside and tell that these Tyrone tactics have no place in Kerry's game.
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He really should be banned (and anyone else who acts like that) for the sake of the game.
He's a Garda isn't he?
Wasn't he suspended form the Garda for a while a couple of years ago.Maybe not as white as white the lad
Was he?
Don't remember that .... was that not Declan Quill?
O'Mahoney was charged with two counts of breach of the peace and interfering with a guard in Killarney - he was found not guilty on all counts.
Declan Quill was charged with assault of a woman and was also acquitted..
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Take this shiter somewhere else and talk about the football Heffo and the rest of ye !
Both cases are a matter of public record - I pointed out that they were both acquitted.
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I know but still not relevant !
It's not relevant in terms of the match or anything else, but rather than have allegations floating the thread, I clarified the matter.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 24, 2008, 08:01:37 PM
I must say, this rightgeous indignation is very entertaining :D
I cant condone what Aidan O'Mahony did and I think someone in the Kerry camp needs to take him aside and tell that these Tyrone tactics have no place in Kerry's game.
They'll probably bring him in front of Master Galvin in the morning instead !! ;) ;D :D :D :D
It was pathetic indeed, perhaps a few suspensions handed out for this type f behavior would cut it out. It makes me sick to see talented players acting in this manner. It makes me even more sick to see people of my own county do it.
QuoteI think someone in the Kerry camp needs to take him aside and tell that these Tyrone tactics have no place in Kerry's game.
No player in the history of the game from any county has ever carried out as shameful an act of cowardice.
Mike, along with your 35 or whatever All-Ireland's your county now has the ultimate Hall of Shame award! Well done!
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Quote from: J70 on August 24, 2008, 07:47:49 PM
I'm obviously going to have to spell this out: if the GAA use an interpretation based on a dictionary-definition of the word "strike", as you seem to think they either do or should, then I will accept that. Once again, I have not seen anywhere where this is stated. Have you?
What the f**k else are they gonna use? Strike = hit repeatedly with a baseball bat? ???
If they are going to make their own definition of strike, then they are going to have to define it. They don't, therefore the standard dictionary definition applies.
Quote from: J70 on August 24, 2008, 07:47:49 PM
Having just looked at an online dictionary, there are numerous different definitions of the word for its various uses. One of them is "to hit". A slap, playful, gentle or not, is a hit, as far as I am aware. And the same source, freedictionary.com, defines to slap as "To strike with a flat object, such as the palm of the hand."
"To hit sharply, as with the hand, the fist, or a weapon."
"To inflict (a blow)"
"To deal a blow or blows with or as if with the fist or a weapon; hit."
Do you still think the word "strike" means any kind of contact at all?
You're the one sending people to the dictionaries, but then complaining when the definitions therein don't agree with what you think they should mean.
"Strike", as understood by me, in terms of the rules of the game, means any kind of intentional slap or blow with the hands, arms, feet, head or whatever. You give someone a slap on the face, gentle or not, that is a strike to me. You obviously feel differently, and as I said, if the GAA interpret it the same way you do, I will accept that.
Ahem - Brian McGuigan in the drawn 2003 ulster final after greg McCartan threw the ball at him?
- Phillip Jordan in the 2003 AI final after Marsden swatted him off him?
He should at least have been Yellow Carded, idiotic behaviour which could have provoked a reaction
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 24, 2008, 07:42:05 PM
Ah lads seriously, yes he acted the twit today but leave his private life out of it.
Agreed
Hand wringing should be an olympic sport,the GAA Board would clean up. Maybe they will get it introduced for 2012
Quote from: Uladh on August 24, 2008, 08:10:47 PM
Ahem - Brian McGuigan in the drawn 2003 ulster final after greg McCartan threw the ball at him?
- Phillip Jordan in the 2003 AI final after Marsden swatted him off him?
I suppose you could add to the list if you wanted to and Armagh would have their fare share.
Quote from: J70 on August 24, 2008, 08:09:54 PM
You're the one sending people to the dictionaries, but then complaining when the definitions therein don't agree with what you think they should mean.
Where was I complaining?
If your on about the first part of the post - that was clearly in reference to your question of what definition are they going to use - and it will obviously be the dictionary definition (obviously because the GAA don't define their own).
Quote from: J70 on August 24, 2008, 08:09:54 PM
"Strike", as understood by me, in terms of the rules of the game, means any kind of intentional slap or blow with the hands, arms, feet, head or whatever. You give someone a slap on the face, gentle or not, that is a strike to me. You obviously feel differently, and as I said, if the GAA interpret it the same way you do, I will accept that.
Fair enough.
i know its a different code but today's strike/slap (whatever you wish to call it) was the same kind of contact dida received from the celtic supporter in last years champions league. dida received a ban (not a large one by any means) but he still got banned for bringing the game into disrepute. it's time for the GAA to make an example of O'Mahony.
The incidents like Jordan, Bellew, McGuigan, Padraig Clancy etc you see every year in championship games in some shape or another.
O'Mahoney has taken it to a whole new leverl and makes all those incidents look like criminal assaults.
Thankfully this one belongs to Spillane's own Kerry. The sanctimonious crap they have spouted for years has been nullified by one of their own disgracing his team, the GAA, Croke Park and himself. It should be played during the opening credits of the Sunday Game for eternity.
Quote from: clarshack on August 24, 2008, 08:31:28 PM
i know its a different code but today's strike/slap (whatever you wish to call it) was the same kind of contact dida received from the celtic supporter in last years champions league. dida received a ban (not a large one by any means) but he still got banned for bringing the game into disrepute. it's time for the GAA to make an example of O'Mahony.
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They can't cause they'll have to admit the ref was wrong and they never hang their refs out to dry !
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 24, 2008, 05:51:53 PM
Kerry have roughly the same mix of pure footballers, sneaks, cheats and henchmen as any other successful team in the last 15 or 20 years. Armagh, Tyrone, Meath, Cork, Dublin etc.
Why we should enjoy putting the boot in to them, is the amount of preening they do to try and portray themselves as "the fillet of football", playing some sort of pure distilled version of the game. ;)
Remember Billy Morgan made a few obvious observations a couple of years back about Kerry's abilities at the darker arts. A few Kerry folks went into meltdown. That kinda shows how big a deal the image cultivation is to them.
Once you try and exalt yourself as being a cut above, you should expect to get a bit of flak when you plainly don't live up to the lofty billing.
I tip my hat to you!
Nail on the head!
Ger Loughnane accused the fillet of hurling, Kilkenny as dirty players last year - Cody said nothing until after the final and shoved Loughnane's comments up his nose after he lifted another Liam.
Kerry might do the same this year !
Aidan o mahony reminded me why i haven't watched a game of soccer in over 10 yrs,i really hope the GAA sort this out before the disease takes hold.Have to aks another question lads,why oh why did the the cork player fall for o mahonys trap,we all knew at some stage that the reff was goin to even things up,it's happens all the time.If cork had concentrated on playin football & not acting the bollox they could have won.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 24, 2008, 05:31:17 PM
I very rarely take a dislike to a player but O'Mahony is definitely getting up there. Thoroughly unpleasant character.
do you know him? ffs
Did someone die today lads? Catch a grip,try and keep a bit of perspective. O Mahonys reaction was pathetic and he will probably be embarrassed when he sees it but an incident like that is not isolated in the GAA nowadays
One of my favourite players outside my own county thoroughly disgraced himself today. I mistakenly thought up to now that he was old school. Tough & aggressive, prepared to give and take belts and get on with the game. And then he does that. I was delighted Cork got the draw in the end and delighted it was O'Mahoney himself that gave away the penalty. I'm seriously sick to the back f*cking teeth of this carry on lads.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 24, 2008, 08:01:37 PM
I must say, this rightgeous indignation is very entertaining :D
I cant condone what Aidan O'Mahony did and I think someone in the Kerry camp needs to take him aside and tell that these Tyrone tactics have no place in Kerry's game.
Fair play to you for actually having the balls to come on this thread Mikey.
But we both know Kerry have been at this kind of shite for years, no more or less than any other successful team mind. But AOM's action today was enough to put him at number one in any Hall of Shame.
Any time I hear media or Kerry people coming out with shite about how they are the purists of the game will now be met with an irrefutable answer: Aidan O'Mahoney.
Quote from: under the bar on August 24, 2008, 10:27:44 PM
Garda college must be scrapin the barrel........
Im not sure what you do on a football field has anything to do with entrance requirements to the garda
What O'Mahony did was wrong and has no place in football, but O'Connor slapped him, Red card.
Darragh O'Se walked for a slap, O'Neill made a meal of it and was rolling around the ground holding his stomach. But if the ref said it was a red card so be it we moved on.
O'Mahony should have stood his ground and taken the girlie slap from O'Connor and laughed in his face. O'Connor would still have been sent off, as the linesman was already turned towards him. If O'Mahony had laughed at him it would have been seen as arrogance. Every team does this playacting nowadays and it is ruining our game.
Anyway Frank Murphy will probably get this overturned.
QuoteDarragh O'Se walked for a slap
A punch KM. Just doing what he does in most games - soemtimes he gets caught.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 24, 2008, 10:45:53 PM
What O'Mahony did was wrong and has no place in football, but O'Connor slapped him, Red card.
Darragh O'Se walked for a slap, O'Neill made a meal of it and was rolling around the ground holding his stomach. But if the ref said it was a red card so be it we moved on.
O'Mahony should have stood his ground and taken the girlie slap from O'Connor and laughed in his face. O'Connor would still have been sent off, as the linesman was already turned towards him. If O'Mahony had laughed at him it would have been seen as arrogance. Every team does this playacting nowadays and it is ruining our game.
Anyway Frank Murphy will probably get this overturned.
Like he did the last one
QuoteGarda college must be scrapin the barrel........
Watch your mouth Under the bar. His private life has nothing to do with this. People have been banned on this site for comments they have made. I will make damn sure the mods are consistent on this if you bies want to go down this road.
He's rattled again. For the 2nd week in a row, MS is rattled.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 24, 2008, 10:45:53 PM
What O'Mahony did was wrong and has no place in football, but O'Connor slapped him, Red card.
Darragh O'Se walked for a slap, O'Neill made a meal of it and was rolling around the ground holding his stomach. But if the ref said it was a red card so be it we moved on.
O'Mahony should have stood his ground and taken the girlie slap from O'Connor and laughed in his face. O'Connor would still have been sent off, as the linesman was already turned towards him. If O'Mahony had laughed at him it would have been seen as arrogance. Every team does this playacting nowadays and it is ruining our game.
Anyway Frank Murphy will probably get this overturned.
He was already doing that, that was how he provoked the slap in the first place.
QuoteHe's rattled again. For the 2nd week in a row, MS is rattled.
Nope. I, or other Kerry fans, didnt get involved in the recent comments about owen Mulligan so I expect the same from you lads. You can call us cheaters, divers whatever but keep it football related
Of course you would be happy to see this deteriorate since you were the one that started that whole shite that got Gnevin banned.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 24, 2008, 08:24:41 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 24, 2008, 08:09:54 PM
You're the one sending people to the dictionaries, but then complaining when the definitions therein don't agree with what you think they should mean.
Where was I complaining?
If your on about the first part of the post - that was clearly in reference to your question of what definition are they going to use - and it will obviously be the dictionary definition (obviously because the GAA don't define their own).
Quote from: J70 on August 24, 2008, 08:09:54 PM
"Strike", as understood by me, in terms of the rules of the game, means any kind of intentional slap or blow with the hands, arms, feet, head or whatever. You give someone a slap on the face, gentle or not, that is a strike to me. You obviously feel differently, and as I said, if the GAA interpret it the same way you do, I will accept that.
Fair enough.
We're going round in circles now: Which definition provided by which dictionary? As I posted earlier, there is no clearcut single definition and there are interpretations that could be used to support either of our positions.
Come on Mike...admit that Kerry are just the same as the rest of us when it comes to trying to get a player sent off.
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on August 24, 2008, 11:11:42 PM
Come on Mike...admit that Kerry are just the same as the rest of us when it comes to trying to get a player sent off.
I think he did, what he is objecting to is bringing someones private life into it.
Quote from: Minder on August 24, 2008, 11:12:58 PM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on August 24, 2008, 11:11:42 PM
Come on Mike...admit that Kerry are just the same as the rest of us when it comes to trying to get a player sent off.
I think he did, what he is objecting to is bringing someones private life into it.
Seems to be creeping into the board a bit more lately. Some muppet was posting crap about some of the Down players a couple of weeks back. Hopefully the powers that be will put a stop to it.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 24, 2008, 11:08:47 PM
QuoteHe's rattled again. For the 2nd week in a row, MS is rattled.
Nope. I, or other Kerry fans, didnt get involved in the recent comments about owen Mulligan so I expect the same from you lads. You can call us cheaters, divers whatever but keep it football related
Of course you would be happy to see this deteriorate since you were the one that started that whole shite that got Gnevin banned.
Just don't wet the bed tonight.
Lads, while debating about the incident in the games are encouraged, please refrain from bringing a players personal life into it. This will not be accepted, see the rules.
Thanks
Mod1
Without having read the previous threads I think O'Mahony has shamed himself and Kerry football in a serious manner. However I fully expect the Kerry apologist herd in the media to defend him with the usual ......."the referee didn't give him a free",......" his run was blocked ",......."he coaches kids",......."What about Ciarán Whelan?" etc etc
On a slightly diferent topic I found Donaghy's continuos snarling at the ref and his gamesmanship at the end of the game a tad disappointing.......but once again the snivelling approach to Kerry in the media will airbrush this away. Contrast this with Dublin's treatment last year.
Jeez, I thought the Cork hurlers were a disagreable bunch but this Kerry team is running them close.
Galvin, Ó Sé, O'Mahony, Donaghy, Cooper(another media darling escaping media scrutiny imo).......to a man magnificent footballers......lads why are you behaving like this?????
Off to bed now......seriously pissed off.
I think it's all been said already, firstly comments about these lads private lives isn't on, i think we can all agree on that.
That said, hard not to join in gloating as these Kerry lads (mostly MS) portray their team as the guardians of football and it's traditions, and a cut above all other counties and that sort of behaviour.
More to the point though, not many counties can take moral high ground on this. This win at all costs mentality is slowly ruining football. I'd be interested on what people think can be done about this?
QuoteJust don't wet the bed tonight.
Yawn....good one O'Neill, you out did yourself with that one.
Quote from: TirEoghaingodeo on August 24, 2008, 11:30:03 PM
I think it's all been said already, firstly comments about these lads private lives isn't on, i think we can all agree on that.
That said, hard not to join in gloating as these Kerry lads (mostly MS) portray their team as the guardians of football and it's traditions, and a cut above all other counties and that sort of behaviour.
More to the point though, not many counties can take moral high ground on this. This win at all costs mentality is slowly ruining football. I'd be interested on what people think can be done about this?
I think we could introduce some suspensions for diving etc. (yes I know Tyrone might get one or two). But the authorities can't even effectively implement the current rules so the chances of new ones are slim.
QuoteWatch your mouth Under the bar. His private life has nothing to do with this. People have been banned on this site for comments they have made. I will make damn sure the mods are consistent on this if you bies want to go down this road.
I got in trouble for commenting on showboaters a year back and I was told that players private lives were this and that. In today's Sunday Independent Dermot Crowe did a full page article on the Dub's and in which he refers to their indisipline and the quality of manager and backroom staff. He said there were incidents between backroom staff (of which he said there were enough of to fill a bus) and some of the players and that two of the players that played against Tyrone had been arrested for serious offences which indicated the type of player that was acceptable.
Good old Sunday Independent.
I would be a neutral/Kerry supporter today but after O'Mahoney's disgraceful antics I would support no team with his like on board. The point about it from what I saw was long before his cowardly act he deserved a good dig in the jaw anyway.
QuoteI think we could introduce some suspensions for diving etc.
Yeah, but if they made them retroactive Tyrone wouldnt be able to field a team for 5 years or so.
You can't really say that O'Mahony could get a yellow card after O'Connor got sent off for slapping him ?
How silly would that sequence not look ?
Quote from: Bud Wiser on August 24, 2008, 11:36:55 PMHe said there were incidents between backroom staff (of which he said there were enough of to fill a bus) and some of the players and that two of the players that played against Tyrone had been arrested for serious offences
That must have been Ryan and Whelan for impersonating footballers.
Didn't take long to be posted on YouTube
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuU3EdJ1NQ (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuU3EdJ1NQ)
QuoteDidn't take long to be posted on YouTube
I dunno...it looked like a fairly vicious slap to me. Aidan could have lost an eye or something. The ref had no choice really.
No problem with the red card. It was a strike and in the rule books, deserves a red card. A watery slap though. It's O'Mahony's play acting that sickened me and the way Kerry is supposedly the beacon of light showing the rest of the country the way to pure football.
O Mahoneys antics were a disgrace.Have heard from a reliable source that Paul Galvin will now be
banned for another 37 years for being from the same county.
Quote from: mayoman dan on August 25, 2008, 02:23:33 AM
O Mahoneys antics were a disgrace.Have heard from a reliable source that Paul Galvin will now be
banned for another 37 years for being from the same county.
Kevin Smith would love that.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 24, 2008, 10:45:53 PM
What O'Mahony did was wrong and has no place in football, but O'Connor slapped him, Red card.
Darragh O'Se walked for a slap, O'Neill made a meal of it and was rolling around the ground holding his stomach. But if the ref said it was a red card so be it we moved on.
O'Mahony should have stood his ground and taken the girlie slap from O'Connor and laughed in his face. O'Connor would still have been sent off, as the linesman was already turned towards him. If O'Mahony had laughed at him it would have been seen as arrogance. Every team does this playacting nowadays and it is ruining our game.
Anyway Frank Murphy will probably get this overturned.
Most sensible post of the day... why is everyone looking for Kerrymen to slag off their own team?
O'Se digged a man straight in front of the ref and deserved to go, O'Connor however light his slap was shouldn't have done it (Droga in Champion's League Final Anyone? At least Vidic was more of a man about it. Is soccer harder than Gaelic Football now? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEnDHwMh8-o&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEnDHwMh8-o&feature=related)) and deserved to go.
O'Mahoney is a dickhead for doing what he did and I'm sure he realises it at this stage and if not there will be plenty to remind him of it this week. At least his and Clancy's shame have been highlighted which should hopefully stop others from following suit.
Anyway fair play KM for telling it like it is... that's all any reasonable person can expect although we have our fair share of lads who are looking blood for the latest incident but don't worry about them!
Whilst i agree that there is an " O Mahoney" element in most successful teams it seems more prevalent this year. Ref got it right though on the two yellows. He got it wrong with the two peno incidents. Donaghys was, Cantys to draw wasnt or at best was very harsh.
The referee got both decisions correct with the red cards. Any man who strikes has to go.
Some here are saying it wasnt a 'hard' slap ::) . Are we going to check how hard every player punches before we define a hard slap?
Regardless of the strength of the slap, it is a slap.....
O' Mahoney must be feeling like some cnut this morning. Diving like that on one of the biggest stages on Ireland, nothing short of a disgrace - fcuk me ye would die of embarassment.
His reaction almost reminded me of the ref diving when Di Canio pushed him when he was playing for Sheff Wed (think it was Alcock).
What did they say about it on the Sunday game?
Not condoning anyones actions but from where I see it - Players act in such a way to ensure that the referee follows the rules to the letter of the law. If Aidan had of laughed of the slap turned around and ran off would the ref still have sent him off? I suppose we will never know but I for one is sceptical.
Have to agree with most posters here and declare that O Mahony should be ashamed of himself for Diving like that. Also agree that there are plenty of other players (Dooher versus W'Meath springs to mind) that have also been guilty. It is time for the GAA to step up to the plate and put rules in place that allow referees to yellow card players for play acting and also to allow video evidence to be used after matches for the same purpose. Gaelic Football is a mans game and people that dive on the ground and get players sent off are anti-men. If I were O Mahonys manager I drop him for the next game for that.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 25, 2008, 09:16:24 AM
Have to agree with most posters here and declare that O Mahony should be ashamed of himself for Diving like that. Also agree that there are plenty of other players (Dooher versus W'Meath springs to mind) that have also been guilty.
Hate going off topic but this has to be continuously challenged. Dooher received a hefty swipe to the gut and was bowled over. There is absolutely no comparison.
We see this sort of slap every week and nothing is done about it. That is the problem.
We should see a red card every time for any strike particularly to the head. Would we debate whether a kick to the head was hard enough to warrant a red card? It should be the same with a slap, pat or punch as indicated in the rules.
I dont condone what O'Mahoney did in any shape or form, but I understand it. 9 referees out of 10 would have ignored the slap if he hadn't gone down.
Also, less of the personal attacks here on O'Mahoney. He gives his services as an amateur and deserves to be treated as an amateur. The Cork player deserves criticism for letting his team down but again it should be in the context of an amateur game.
Dooher is probably one of the main offenders when it comes to diving, even if ONeill tries to defend him.
As someone said, the only way to eradicate this from our game is to use video evidence & ban players.
Interesting that some Kerry posters are going on the attack & mentioning Tyrone players diving in an attempt to almost make a joke out of it. Reminds me a bit of the OWCers. FFS call a spade a spade & leave it at that
O Mahony only confirmed what we always knew, the kingdom are no different from any other county except their PR machine is better. When I think of that mouth Sean Walsh and his galling smugness talking about Kerry football in 2004, I feel he in particular must bear major responsibility on the inevitable media and public opinion histrionics that the kerry players are going to take this week. Yesterday confirmed my suspicions that the current kingdom set up from Donaghy giving fingers to the Mayo crowd, to Gooch sent off in the national league final, to Paul Galvin fiasco, Dara O Ses dirty punch off the ball yestrerday, to O Mahony and Coopers diving yesterday as well as incessant mouthing at referees that this team are the most cynical and dirty team I have ever seen from Kerry. I believe that their indiscipline deserves to cost them dearly and they are a poor shadow of any previous Kerry team and a very poor example to kids playing our games. If they are 3 in a row winning team then Gaelic Football as a sport is fcuked.
Quote from: full back on August 25, 2008, 09:23:05 AM
Dooher is probably one of the main offenders when it comes to diving, even if ONeill tries to defend him.
If you can give me one example of this I'll accept it. Til then it'll remain the urban myth, a bit like Francie's brutality.
Muppet you are rightly named. 'Christiano' O'Mahonys actions are rightly condemmed as unmanly, and unsporting - particularly in an amateur game. Their is no need for a change of rule to deal with this - it is unsporting behaviour and the ref can take what ever action he deems appropriate. O'Mahony joins the list of cheats along with Dooher who demeaned his great abilities with his 'collapse' in the Westmeath game.
Lads today Kerry fooball is on trial not Tyrone football - Tyrone gave the best display at headquarters seen in 3 years just last week - can you not remember. As Colm O Riourke said Munster football is on trial - and that was before the match. There wasnt anything of beauty in that match yesterday. Dara O se should undoubtedly be missing an all ireland final.
Quote from: ONeill on August 25, 2008, 09:19:27 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 25, 2008, 09:16:24 AM
Have to agree with most posters here and declare that O Mahony should be ashamed of himself for Diving like that. Also agree that there are plenty of other players (Dooher versus W'Meath springs to mind) that have also been guilty.
Hate going off topic but this has to be continuously challenged. Dooher received a hefty swipe to the gut and was bowled over. There is absolutely no comparison.
I think the myopia of the Tyrone posters should be continuously challenged on this matter, when it becomes acceptable to go down like Dooher then we are in trouble. Do you seriously believe the "hefty swipe" he received was enough to put him down as if he was hit with a shovel. Just call a spade a spade and leave it at that.
Saying it twice doesn't make it true. I dealt with you yesterday so go back to the corner.
Lads today Kerry fooball is on trial not Tyrone football - Tyrone gave the best display at headquarters seen in 3 years just last week - can you not remember. As Colm O Riourke said Munster football is on trial - and that was before the match. There wasnt anything of beauty in that match yesterday. Dara O se should undoubtedly be missing an all ireland final.
Is tapping someone on the shoulder striking? Patting their head? Is it striking if someone runs past you and you throw out an arm to tackle them and slap their shoulder as they go past? Also for anyone saying "If O'Mahoney hadn't gone down, O'Connor might have got away with it." Got away with what exactly? How was O'Mahoney inconvenienced by this incident? I've seen gestures of affection with more power in them than the little pat on the cheek O'Mahoney received. But no, the rulebook hero's are out in force. "He struck him therefore he has to go." Would ye ever give over. ::)
Shocking display by O'Mahoney yesterday, one of the worst examples I've seen, especially in a big game. It's a real shame because he doesn't have to resort to that, but what he did was atrocious.
The Cork lad was silly to react, but O'Mahoney's 'hard man' act, followed by an embarrassing fainting episode, was very ugly.
I don't think anything can happen O'Mahoney under the current rules, but I think the GAA need to cater for this. Diving to win frees is annoying enough. Diving to get a lad sent off is shocking.
QuoteWatch your mouth Under the bar. His private life has nothing to do with this. People have been banned on this site for comments they have made. I will make damn sure the mods are consistent on this if you bies want to go down this road.
I am not bringing his private life into it unlike some previous comments from you based soley on rumours.
Don't throw a hissy fit just 'cos the cynicism and cheating of your own team has been laid bare for all the world to see. Maybe if you accepted this instead of deflecting to Tyrone on each occasion you'd be able to move on.
Quote from: muppet on August 25, 2008, 09:19:54 AM
We see this sort of slap every week and nothing is done about it. That is the problem.
We should see a red card every time for any strike particularly to the head. Would we debate whether a kick to the head was hard enough to warrant a red card? It should be the same with a slap, pat or punch as indicated in the rules.
I dont condone what O'Mahoney did in any shape or form, but I understand it. 9 referees out of 10 would have ignored the slap if he hadn't gone down.
Also, less of the personal attacks here on O'Mahoney. He gives his services as an amateur and deserves to be treated as an amateur. The Cork player deserves criticism for letting his team down but again it should be in the context of an amateur game.
Jesus wept.
Quote from: ONeill on August 25, 2008, 09:43:32 AM
Saying it twice doesn't make it true. I dealt with you yesterday so go back to the corner.
Dealt with me? I am not one of your pupils, maybe you know Dooher personally and are unable or unwilling to give an honest appraisal, i have no problem with that.
Lads today Kerry fooball is on trial not Tyrone football - Tyrone gave the best display at headquarters seen in 3 years just last week - can you not remember. As Colm O Rourke said Munster football is on trial - and that was before the match. There wasnt anything of beauty in that match yesterday.
That's the second or third time you've posted that. Hint, if no-one bites the first time, it's a bad wind up. :D
AZ Im only reminding that minder pup.
Tyrone defo are the biggest bunch of divers in the game but in all fairness i dont think any of them have ever dived as blatantly that dung bag yesterday. ;D ;D ;D
Not trawling through 10 pages and judging by a couple of posts at the top of this one thats probably a good idea. O'Mahoney let himself down big time and as a lot of people have been saying that kind of shit is worse that hitting a lad a puck in the gob. Pearse O'Neill didn't cover himself in glory either by the looks of things. This is where the GAA should work with the GPA to stamp out this sort of crap. At least if we have to put up with the GPA get them to do some good.
I didn't see yesterday's game but there was a nasty streak to him all along.
Although I am loathe to agree, this thread isnt about Tyrone. No doubt, they are a bunch a diving fcukers, but this is about the disgraceful actions of a footballer from the self proclaimed saviours of football.....
Lads, apart from Sean Walsh, can I ask ye which of the Kerry team, managers, or anyone connected with them has pronounced themselves 'saviours of football'? Seriously? Are ye beating the Kerry team with a rod made by Pat Spillane?
I don't think Kerry call themselves saviours of anything. I think they call themselves 'winners', with everything that implies, including a very serious hard edge of cynicism if needed.
What O'Mahoney did yesterday is not synonymous with that, and he should be embarrassed about it.
As Tyrone men for years we have been getting stick because of Spillanes coments why should we give a fcuk.
I don't think Kerry football is on trial nor Tyrone football. This thread started because of disgraceful bit of play acting that could cost a player an all ireland final spot. It is logical that from that debate the wider issue of players diving would be discussed. Lets not turn it into a Kerry v Tyrone debate. I have seen plenty of guys diving this year and it is a terrible thing that is sneaking into our game. In hurling they'd laugh at you if you did what O Mahony did yesterday, why do some people think that in Football we should allow this to continue. The argument that a player needs to dive so the ref sees the foul is a load of shite. I wonder what he himself thinks when he sees the replay - shame I hope.
Quote from: tram on August 25, 2008, 10:39:16 AM
I wonder what Mickey Ned O'Sullivan would have thought of O'Mahony yesterday?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw
I would say Mickey kicked it the next time he got it!! :D
This sorta nonsense has been creping i nto the game for years! What O'Mahony did was wrong but he isnt the first to do it this year and probably wont be the last!
Referees need to use some common sense or the rules needa be updated! I wouldnt have called yesterdays incident "striking" but by the letter of current laws its a sending off offence!
I believe refs need to come out before games and say to both changing rooms that anyone diving, playacting, timewasting or the famous pulling the opponent down with your own arm to win frees will be booked straight away!
The game is losing actual hard players to these bad habits because they see refs give these decisions against their teams week in and out and probably think if you cant beat the cheats join them!!
Its the GAA's fault not the players!!
Aidan O'Mahony will never live this down......that's the punishment he will have to deal with. Unfortunately many of soccer traits are creeping into GAA and the powers that be need to send a clear message that this will not be tolerated.....i would suggest that any player feigning injury should be booked at least.
A pity because he was/is very close imo to getting poty this year. He is a class footballer who will have this antic spat at him (not literally)for the rest of his life.
It was very fitting that it was O'Mahony who gave away the penalty that allowed Cork to draw the game. It could not have happened to a nicer guy. But, maybe, he was still concussed from the blow he got from O'Connor that caused him to hit the deck.
Apologies if this has been covered earlier in the thread but I just watched the incident and there a few points I would like to make.
1. For me that was a striking offence worthy of a straight red and a one month ban. It really really irks me when refs give out yellow cards for it as the rule book doesnt allow for that which leads to inconsistent refereeing.
2. A quick question to anyone who thinks yesterdays incident wasnt a strike can I ask how much force is needed to constitute a strike? Where do you draw the line on this to avoid inconsistent refereeing?
3. Aidan O'Mahony's reaction was disgraceful but to me it raises a bigger question. Would O'Connor have been sent off had it not been for the reaction. As I have said he should have been but I think he probably wouldnt have been which to me is a poor refereeing and a major contributing factor to the increase in diving and theaterics we have seen in recent years. Referees in soccer are reluctant to give frees if players stand on their feet, so to avoid being penalised for being fouled players have to go down easily and there is now a similar effect in gaelic football. Thats not though in anyway a justification for their actions but I dont think we will stop diving and theaterics etc until we get referees who enforce closer to the letter of the law.
Whatever about O'Mahony, a slap on the face is one of those shitty things that goes on in the modern game and is a red card. If Cork get that rescinded, then it will be further proof that Cork get special treatment.
Would O'Connor have been sent off had Dara not been sent off earlier ???
Did anyone see what Dara did ? Some posters are saying that Pearse O'Neill didn't exactly cover himself in glory ?
Watched it on youtube there, :D what a w**ker.
It's a wonder no one decked Donaghy. :-\
think that omahoney was a disgrace for falling over as if hot.
That kind of rubbish could very well mean that video evidence is to be used to try and eradicate that kind of thing from the GAA.
I'd be in favour of video evidence to try and demonstrate to players that they will be seen and they will be suspended.
Same for Dara o'se's punch.
The linesman obv communicated to the ref that oconnor had 'slapped' omahoney' - therefore the ref had to send him off.
I thought it was harsh enough, but this does go on all too frequently in gaelic games, and you should never lift your hands.
In saying that, I think omahoney pushed oconnor back into the hoardings before starting his goading tirade.
Also I thought it should have been a line ball to cork, but oconnor was wrong to raise his hand.
The only problem I have with this sending off is that its not consistent throughout the GAA. Plenty of players from every county do likewise and dont get sent off, some do. Consistency might be useful here.
Part of the game is keeping your discipline, so oconnor can have no complaint as again its the interpretation of the ref in this case
and you know as a player you can get the line for this kind of thing, no matter how harsh.
I'm 'old school' (hedge school) and deplore the kind of thing omahoney did. Old school stuff like punching off the ball though is out in the modern game. Dara O'se loked like a man that knew his season was over when the camera panned onto him sitting in the stands.
Edit - yes this whinging like a bitch to a ref etc is also getting on my wick, while donaghy and co are bad at it, I have seen plenty of others including my beloved Derry do it on occasion and I dont like that at all. Yellow cards for offenders. Reds for repeat offenders.
Did the so-called "Star" not shout at O'Mahony to go down?
QuoteDara O'se loked like a man that knew his season was over when the camera panned onto him sitting in the stands.
Make that "his career". Thankfully if Kerry beat Cork the next day he will have another game.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Jesus everyone that knows him must have been mortified watching that, deadly bit of play acting it's hilarious...i'd be humiliated if I was caught out at that craic!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 25, 2008, 12:21:23 PM
think that omahoney was a disgrace for falling over as if hot.
That kind of rubbish could very well mean that video evidence is to be used to try and eradicate that kind of thing from the GAA.
I'd be in favour of video evidence to try and demonstrate to players that they will be seen and they will be suspended.
Same for Dara o'se's punch.
The linesman obv communicated to the ref that oconnor had 'slapped' omahoney' - therefore the ref had to send him off.
I thought it was harsh enough, but this does go on all too frequently in gaelic games, and you should never lift your hands.
In saying that, I think omahoney pushed oconnor back into the hoardings before starting his goading tirade.
Also I thought it should have been a line ball to cork, but oconnor was wrong to raise his hand.
The only problem I have with this sending off is that its not consistent throughout the GAA. Plenty of players from every county do likewise and dont get sent off, some do. Consistency might be useful here.
Part of the game is keeping your discipline, so oconnor can have no complaint as again its the interpretation of the ref in this case
and you know as a player you can get the line for this kind of thing, no matter how harsh.
I'm 'old school' (hedge school) and deplore the kind of thing omahoney did. Old school stuff like punching off the ball though is out in the modern game. Dara O'se loked like a man that knew his season was over when the camera panned onto him sitting in the stands.
Edit - yes this whinging like a bitch to a ref etc is also getting on my wick, while donaghy and co are bad at it, I have seen plenty of others including my beloved Derry do it on occasion and I dont like that at all. Yellow cards for offenders. Reds for repeat offenders.
But it's ok for example for Cussen, just to pick one incident, to raise and elbow and hit an opponent on the head and NOT get sent off ??????
I'm being devil's advocate here by the way.
The rules are not evenly and consistently applied.
There should be an acceptable level of a slap that you can administer to an opponent before you get sent off. As Dara O'Cinneide said last night, O'Connor will feel sick today at getting sent off as he "got no value" out of the sending off. Really what Dara was saying was, that he should have taken the head of O'Mahony and he'd have felt a lot better about it !! ;D
O'Mahony is a disgrace, I was genuinely amazed at his antics.
O'Se is blessed he will only miss the replay now and probably play in this years final.
Good to see the ref finally catch him in the act, not sure how many times over the years he has got away with this sort of stuff.
All in all, the antics of some Kerry players are quickly turning them into one of the most disliked teams around. Which is a shame as they are a fantastically talented team.
We have all the bad points mentioned about other teams all rolled into one. Goading, dirt, shameful diving, screaming in the refs face.
Some of the ex Kerry players should let these guys know, this isnt how Kerry teams are meant to behave.
Perhaps they want this three in a row so bad it really is win at all costs, including the abandonment of your principles?
I was watching the game as a 100% neutral yesterday, but leapt around the living room when Cork equalised have been turned off by the Kerry carry on.
How did ye think The Sunday game panelists handled it?
I thought they didn't make a big enough of deal of it and in fairness to Pat he asked them the Open question but nobody took the bait
I'd say if Tohill had been there we would have got a more honest opinion
I think the biggest punishment O'Mahoney will receive will be the lack of respect he'll get now everywhere he goes and I can see in the future people like Spillane coming out with lines like...
"Kerry were purists for years but they had to MIX it with Armagh and Tyrone in the Noughties so when you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas"
How many times have we saw a man get decked off the ball. The Ref runs over talks to the linesmen. Ref speaks to the player for 3 mins waving his finger and gives him a yellow card.
I know the rule says if you lift your hand at all but the ref also has to look at the bigger picture and the goading before the slap does give it some justification.
I think it should be recinded to a yellow and that Kerry should be thrown out of the AI for the next 5 years
For those of ye who are still badgering on about Dooher's "DIVE" when blantantly punched I don't know what you want a man to do when he gets a punch into the Gut
Do you want him to stand up straight, smile and say HA HA that didn't even hurt at all. Get a grip lads
Before you come out with a mouthful of Tripe think how would I feel it that was a player from my team who you know is getting special treatment cos he has such an influence on the game.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 25, 2008, 01:22:00 PM
How did ye think The Sunday game panelists handled it?
I thought they didn't make a big enough of deal of it and in fairness to Pat he asked them the Open question but nobody took the bait
I'd say if Tohill had been there we would have got a more honest opinion
I think the biggest punishment O'Mahoney will receive will be the lack of respect he'll get now everywhere he goes and I can see in the future people like Spillane coming out with lines like...
"Kerry were purists for years but they had to MIX it with Armagh and Tyrone in the Noughties so when you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas"
How many times have we saw a man get decked off the ball. The Ref runs over talks to the linesmen. Ref speaks to the player for 3 mins waving his finger and gives him a yellow card.
I know the rule says if you lift your hand at all but the ref also has to look at the bigger picture and the goading before the slap does give it some justification.
I think it should be recinded to a yellow and that Kerry should be thrown out of the AI for the next 5 years
For those of ye who are still badgering on about Dooher's "DIVE" when blantantly punched I don't know what you want a man to do when he gets a punch into the Gut
Do you want him to stand up straight, smile and say HA HA that didn't even hurt at all. Get a grip lads
Before you come out with a mouthful of Tripe think how would I feel it that was a player from my team who you know is getting special treatment cos he has such an influence on the game.
I don't think so - if Kerry go on to win the All Ireland, his dive will be but a memory, just like some of Tyrone's indscretions. Fans won't really remember - Cork ones will, but most people move on to the next episode.
The sad thing for me is I can remember a time (old fogey alert) when lads were told to stay on their feet at all costs, or to get up quickly, 'And don't show the bastards they hurt you'.
God be with the days.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 25, 2008, 01:29:39 PM
The sad thing for me is I can remember a time (old fogey alert) when lads were told to stay on their feet at all costs, or to get up quickly, 'And don't show the b**tards they hurt you'.
God be with the days.
Now it's lie down and we'll get him sent off !
What's worse is that we've seen signs of it coming into the purset of all sports, hurling - remember Wee Davy Fitz last week against Tipperary showing the referee the corner back and imploring a sending off ?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 25, 2008, 01:29:39 PM
The sad thing for me is I can remember a time (old fogey alert) when lads were told to stay on their feet at all costs, or to get up quickly, 'And don't show the b**tards they hurt you'.
God be with the days.
Yes it is disgraceful that we are following the route of soccer and starting to dive and cheat our fellow players....
Cussen should have been taken off, not sent off.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 25, 2008, 01:29:39 PM
The sad thing for me is I can remember a time (old fogey alert) when lads were told to stay on their feet at all costs, or to get up quickly, 'And don't show the b**tards they hurt you'.
God be with the days.
Me too. For our vintage, this stuff is completely unstomachable.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 25, 2008, 01:22:00 PM
I don't know what you want a man to do when he gets a punch into the Gut
Do you want him to stand up straight, smile and say HA HA that didn't even hurt at all.
Yes.
Quote from: ONeill on August 25, 2008, 09:28:34 AM
Quote from: full back on August 25, 2008, 09:23:05 AM
Dooher is probably one of the main offenders when it comes to diving, even if ONeill tries to defend him.
If you can give me one example of this I'll accept it. Til then it'll remain the urban myth, a bit like Francie's brutality.
watch the Wexford game this weekend and you'll see a few
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 25, 2008, 01:22:00 PM
How did ye think The Sunday game panelists handled it?
I thought they didn't make a big enough of deal of it and in fairness to Pat he asked them the Open question but nobody took the bait
I'd say if Tohill had been there we would have got a more honest opinion
I think the biggest punishment O'Mahoney will receive will be the lack of respect he'll get now everywhere he goes and I can see in the future people like Spillane coming out with lines like...
"Kerry were purists for years but they had to MIX it with Armagh and Tyrone in the Noughties so when you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas"
How many times have we saw a man get decked off the ball. The Ref runs over talks to the linesmen. Ref speaks to the player for 3 mins waving his finger and gives him a yellow card.
I know the rule says if you lift your hand at all but the ref also has to look at the bigger picture and the goading before the slap does give it some justification.
I think it should be recinded to a yellow and that Kerry should be thrown out of the AI for the next 5 years
For those of ye who are still badgering on about Dooher's "DIVE" when blantantly punched I don't know what you want a man to do when he gets a punch into the Gut
Do you want him to stand up straight, smile and say HA HA that didn't even hurt at all. Get a grip lads
Before you come out with a mouthful of Tripe think how would I feel it that was a player from my team who you know is getting special treatment cos he has such an influence on the game.
I dont believe Dooher dived.
and YES, thats exactly how a lad should espond to getting hit.....he can quite easily get revenge if he has to, later on in a game when he or his opponent has the ball. Its quite easy done.
and yes if cussen or anyone else elbowed with intent, they has to get sent off. Consistency.
Anyone that believes that episode yesterday was worthy of a red card needs to go away and grow a set of balls...
or f**k off and watch the ponces play soccer.
As a Kerryman I was less than impressed by Aidan's oscar winning performance yesterday. I'm in no way excusing or diverting attention from it by saying he's not the first to try this sort of s**te and unfortunately will not be the last. Some of the rules experts might correct me but I this that his actions could have attracted a yellow card if the ref determined that he was attempting to get another player sent off. However the only thing that his actions have attracted are ridicule and the attentions of a couple of Hollywood agents.
I have found the comments of a few posters regarding Aidan's off field life and that of Declan Quill be be as low as Aidans acting on the Croke Park pitch.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 25, 2008, 02:58:59 PM
Anyone that believes that episode yesterday was worthy of a red card needs to go away and grow a set of balls...
or f**k off and watch the ponces play soccer.
It was a red card!!! He shouldn't have lifted his hands. We cannot have a law now where the referee can decide on the punishment a player should get determined by the force of his slap/punch. They find it hard getting anything else right.
The reaction of Aidan is bad. But I cannot blame him. I've asked before and I will ask again - If he had of stood his ground would the ref have taken the same action? It is the inconsistency with refs that cause players to take the law of the game into their own hands or act like they do to ensure that the correct action is taken.
Quote from: Muzz on August 25, 2008, 03:17:29 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 25, 2008, 02:58:59 PM
Anyone that believes that episode yesterday was worthy of a red card needs to go away and grow a set of balls...
or f**k off and watch the ponces play soccer.
It was a red card!!! He shouldn't have lifted his hands. We cannot have a law now where the referee can decide on the punishment a player should get determined by the force of his slap/punch. They find it hard getting anything else right.
The reaction of Aidan is bad. But I cannot blame him. I've asked before and I will ask again - If he had of stood his ground would the ref have taken the same action? It is the inconsistency with refs that cause players to take the law of the game into their own hands or act like they do to ensure that the correct action is taken.
Tell me, what would the problem be with the ref
NOT taking the action he did. Lets say O'Mahony stood up like a man and walked away. What advantage have Cork gained? What disadvantage are Kerry at? This wasn't a fella going down to win a cheap free. This was a fella going down with one intention alone. To get the Cork man sent off. The ball was dead while this was going on. O'Mahony wasn't hurt. He'd even instigated the incident himself by roaring in O'Connors face like an escaped mental patient. Do you actually genuinely think it would have been an injustice if O'Mahony had just walked away after the little slap and O'Connor had stayed on the field? Would the CCC be looking at the incident this morning with a view to suspending O'Connor? No, they wouldn't. Because it was nothing.
Just another auld fogey here - does anyone remember the late, great Mick Holden and his own thoughts on diving - reefing Barney Rock up off the ground?
In my own playing days showing any kind of weakness or going down was completely disdained - you wouldn't want to give your man any ideas.
O'Mahoney was a joke - and as someone has already said, it may just be our very own Rivaldo moment. The irony is that the fuss this is causing is in part fueled by Kerry's own tradition of "pure football". We might use this moral outrage to maybe get a new rule in specifically dealing with simulation. It's the worst thing in the game at the moment.
The funny thing is, anyone who knows Kerry, knows they were never that pure to begin with.
Also the amount of goading going on yesterday was brutal - I know the Dubs have been castigated for it in the past, but I've thought over the last two seasons it has become widespread. I noticed Kerry lads at it in the semi final last year as well. You'd think that they. of all counties, would have least need of it.
i think there is a bigger discussion in all this - when does the will to win override sportmanship, and should we tolerate it? As a Dub, i have more experience than most with crushing disappointment, but if the hallowed day does come, I'd like to think we'll win with a style of football distinctive to dublin, and with a fair amount of grace. I think the 1995 team embodied the character to overcome disappointment, and win eventually, with an amount of humility - though I'm sure some Tyrone posters will disagree. In our pursuit of evermore professional standards, are the Corinthian ideals of the GAA being lost? I really can't imagine too many of yesterday's players putting their differences aside off the pitch after the result is decided, unlike say Dublin/Meath 1991.
The qualifier system throws counties together again and again - the amount of bitterness this can generate is unreal. I'd hate to think of us nearing a soccer mentality both on and off the pitch. There's a lot to be said for the old championship format - not the least of which was having a summer consisting of only one match gave a bit of perspective to it - leave nothing behind on the day and put away the disappointment afterwards.
i dont care what you say,o'connor shouldnt get sent off,people have got to start using abit of common sense here and start apllying the rules in the correct way,a striking action for me is with the closed fist,and perhaps a hard slap around the ear with the open hand (just like ur mother would do!! ;)) these offences deserve red. referees have got to start applying the rules better and using abit of cop on. another thing,this thing about lift ur hands and ur off is a load of rubbish,thats come from across the water pansy football.
and as regards overreacting,palyers needa toughen up.personally,when if i get a knock or heavy hit,i wont lie down as no1 shows the fella im hurt which i wouldnt like and secondly,means that if he does get sent off i dont ave a chance to get the b*****d back before the end of the game.
oh finally,if omahony (or any other player for that matter) screamed in my face like that,id ave buried him and made sure he stayed down.
Quote from: Big Mickey on August 25, 2008, 03:40:01 PM
i dont care what you say,o'connor shouldnt get sent off,people have got to start using abit of common sense here and start apllying the rules in the correct way,a striking action for me is with the closed fist,and perhaps a hard slap around the ear with the open hand (just like ur mother would do!! ;)) these offences deserve red. referees have got to start applying the rules better and using abit of cop on. another thing,this thing about lift ur hands and ur off is a load of rubbish,thats come from across the water pansy football.
and as regards overreacting,palyers needa toughen up.personally,when if i get a knock or heavy hit,i wont lie down as no1 shows the fella im hurt which i wouldnt like and secondly,means that if he does get sent off i dont ave a chance to get the b*****d back before the end of the game.
oh finally,if omahony (or any other player for that matter) screamed in my face like that,id ave buried him and made sure he stayed down.
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Good one Mickey - you'd have got a yellow card for that then ! Good job you're not playing for the seniors ! ;D ;D
Quote from: Muzz on August 25, 2008, 03:17:29 PM
It was a red card!!!
Away and grow a set for f**k sake. ::)
With Hardys new rule to implement perhaps O Mahony could be retrospectively punished for his indiscretion. The discipline guros must make their choice now. Do they want players to be going down as quickly and as dramatically as a modern day Linda Lovelace or are they for acting on it.
A referee gets one look at an incident. Its a bit much to expect him to be able to accurately evaluate the ferocity of the slap or punch and to make a decision based on that. A prohibition on all types of strike, no matter how apparently harmless, as appears to exist now, is the best and most simple answer. If you don't want to get sent off, then keep your hands (or feet or elbow or whatever) to yourself. If a referee interprets an apparent strike as an over-zealous or careless attempt at a tackle and only awards a yellow card, that is a different issue.
Quote from: J70 on August 25, 2008, 04:09:53 PM
A referee gets one look at an incident. Its a bit much to expect him to be able to accurately evaluate the ferocity of the slap or punch and to make a decision based on that. A prohibition on all types of strike, no matter how apparently harmless, as appears to exist now, is the best and most simple answer. If you don't want to get sent off, then keep your hands (or feet or elbow or whatever) to yourself. If a referee interprets an apparent strike as an over-zealous or careless attempt at a tackle and only awards a yellow card, that is a different issue.
Agreed. The rule book is fine in this case and the ref was correct.
Some of the arguments here are gas. One enlightened poster wants the Kerry manager to drop him for diving. Did you ever do anything remotely competitive in your live? Despite the odd diplomatic posting here will any Kerry poster give a fiddlers about this next year if Kerry lift Sam?
The high moral ground being adopted here by some is hypocritical in the extreme. In an attempt to vilifiy a player for a ridiculous dive some are condoning striking a player. One even calls anyone against this position 'rulebook heroes'. I take it Jinksy you advocate no rulebook?
If the refs were all like yesterday that would put an end to pointless slapping or striking. Then you can deal with the divers but if you try to argue that it is ok in some cases to strike an opponents head, off the ball, then you will have to life with the consequences which will be either a retaliatory punch, a mass brawl or a stupid dive.
Despite the race to the high moral ground not a single poster yet has suggested O'Mahoney that should have just taken the slap and walked away quietly.
Quote from: muppet on August 25, 2008, 04:45:32 PM
Agreed. The rule book is fine in this case and the ref was correct.
Some of the arguments here are gas. One enlightened poster wants the Kerry manager to drop him for diving. Did you ever do anything remotely competitive in your live? Despite the odd diplomatic posting here will any Kerry poster give a fiddlers about this next year if Kerry lift Sam?
The high moral ground being adopted here by some is hypocritical in the extreme. In an attempt to vilifiy a player for a ridiculous dive some are condoning striking a player. One even calls anyone against this position 'rulebook heroes'. I take it Jinksy you advocate no rulebook?
If the refs were all like yesterday that would put an end to pointless slapping or striking. Then you can deal with the divers but if you try to argue that it is ok in some cases to strike an opponents head, off the ball, then you will have to life with the consequences which will be either a retaliatory punch, a mass brawl or a stupid dive.
Despite the race to the high moral ground not a single poster yet has suggested O'Mahoney that should have just taken the slap and walked away quietly.
Why do any of these things have to happen? Could you define striking for me? Do you consider slapping a players arm as he runs past a striking offence?
So lets get this straight
You think that slapping a man in the face is a straight Red card but how many times have we saw players grab other players by the neck and hold them for ages and then just describe it as hand bags
Surely you can seriously hurt a man by grabbing his throat but a open hand slap is like a sign of disapprovable if nothing more.
The Fact remains that simulation has crept into our game more and more over the past few years and the GAA have done nothing to address the issue.
Its not gonna go away by itself if players don't think there is any punishment for it and so I think it needs to be looked at by the CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC after a match when the Referee reviews the video of the match he has just officiated.
We have a win at all costs now and that's even when there is no money involved.
Isn't that right Oisin?
QuoteWhy do any of these things have to happen?
They dont have to happen, but we have seen often enough that each illegal action seems to draw an unequal and usually greater reaction until we have the brawl or whatever.
QuoteCould you define striking for me?
As defined in the rulebook. It was posted here earlier.
QuoteDo you consider slapping a players arm as he runs past a striking offence
My argument refers to off the ball. Your question needs context. If the player running past has the ball and the 'slapper' was making a reasonable attempt at a tackle then no obviously.
The rulebook isn't great and we have had many threads about how it should be amended but we are stuck with it until it is amended.
If all the rules contained within the GAA rulebook were evenly and consistently applied yesterday and play stopped for every single punishable indiscretion, what would the game ( which ws hard enough to watch ) have looked like ??
How many could have been sent off ???????
Quote from: orangeman on August 25, 2008, 05:52:58 PM
If all the rules contained within the GAA rulebook were evenly and consistently applied yesterday and play stopped for every single punishable indiscretion, what would the game ( which ws hard enough to watch ) have looked like ??
How many could have been sent off ???????
Your point is valid. That is due to the way the game has been coached and in particularly the way it has been refereed over the years.
Here are some things I have heard in a dressing room before a match and I'm sure there are a hell of a lot worse stories among posters here:
Manager to full-forward: "The 1st time their keeper comes for a high ball I want him decapitated, dont worry about the ball because he'll leave it to you the next time".
Manager in different part of Ireland: "If anyone lays a finger on our (rather small) corner forward I want everyone in that half of the field running in kicking and punching everything in a **** shirt, he wont send ye all off."
Same manager: "You kick over the ball and punch under it....or you dont play for me".
I think he's managing in South Armagh now muppet.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 25, 2008, 06:22:54 PM
I think he's managing in South Armagh now muppet.
He must be cloned !
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 25, 2008, 06:22:54 PM
I think he's managing in South Armagh now muppet.
Probably actually started their POG!
The offence by O'Connor was a strike and therefore he was correctly sent off. The baiting by O'Mahony was disgraceful and given his position in society also very unbecoming of someone who should be doing what he is doing. If the same behaviour came from a yob on a Saturday night I am sure that a light slap across the jaw would be the least of the culprits worries. He would be lifted correctly for threatening behaviour and left cool off in the cell for the night.
That aside, the whole ethos of the game has been changing for a number of years now. As easytiger said(good to see you back old fella!) the nature of fair play the we would pride ourselves on has been slowly eroding. This did not begin with the recent re-advent of football in the late 90's early noughties but has been slowly seeping in for a number of years. Like the good ET commented on the dive by Rock when Holden grabbed him by the neck and lifted him, the "winning" of easy frees by Da'Bollix in his hey day, the trash talk that caused Paidi to lift the head off Dinny Allen among others off the ball.
The difference now is the media coverage and the influence of sponsors on how the want things resolved. It would be foolish to ignore the factor of money behind the whole thing. Winning has become everything and screw anyone who stands in the way of that. It is unfortunate and the referee had the opportunity to make his mark, but hadn't the cohunes to do it, so it goes back to the back burner. I think the general feeling may change for the short time as no one will want ot be villified the way O'Mahony has been, but that will be short term. It would be interesting to hear the conversation between Cussen and O'Mahony after the game given their close contact at Templemore.
In fairness, there was never any pristine age of gaelic football. If you look at All-Ireland's of yore, many games were blown up early and white hankerchiefs waved, such was some of the antics that went on. They used to knock lards off each other in those days and grudges were held for years afterwards. I know of two famous players who took their grudge from an All-Ireland final to the other side of the Atlantic after they emigrated and didn't talk to each other again until they were old men in their 70s. Even diving is not that new. Some teams of the 60s and 70s were known to go down easily in the penalty area. But only as a last gasp measure if they were 3 points down with a minute to go. They'd never do it for a free or to get someone sent off. And there's lots of stories of refs being ran off the field. However all that was done in the robust and red blooded nature that a true Gael could appreciate. Now this cynical taunting and slaps on the face is just bitchy stuff that doesn't belong on a GAA pitch. A red card and two month ban should be the minimum punishment for that kind of crack. Try that in a pub and you'd get your teeth handed back to you.
Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on August 25, 2008, 07:47:14 PM
And there's lots of stories of refs being ran off the field. However all that was done in the robust and red blooded nature that a true Gael could appreciate. Now this cynical taunting and slaps on the face is just bitchy stuff that doesn't belong on a GAA pitch. A red card and two month ban should be the minimum punishment for that kind of crack. Try that in a pub and you'd get your teeth handed back to you.
My uncle played in a county minor final back in the early fifties where they took the ref and threw him into the River Finn!
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 25, 2008, 03:47:12 PM
Quote from: Muzz on August 25, 2008, 03:17:29 PM
It was a red card!!!
Away and grow a set for f**k sake. ::)
Previous comment given the response it deserved. A rule book has to be taken with a bit of common sense or else we've no game worth watchin. And if this is the case, and we end up with Drogba types falling all over the place, then its not a game that many will want to be associated with.
Win at all costs boys.
O'Mahony could be any player from any county that serious designs on winning anything. Few here then have the moral highground to comment.
Except maybe me.
His behaviour was absolutely disgraceful. He has no right to be recognised as an All-Star this year.
There is an argument for charging him with bringing the game into disrepute, but then Doyle and McQuillan would have to be charged as well.
QuoteHe has no right to be recognised as an All-Star this year.
He wont lose much sleep over this, winning All Stars has never been much of a priority to Kerrymen, its the medals they dish out in September with the big Silver bucket that count. I suppose it is win at all costs attitude and we have always had that.
QuoteHis behaviour was absolutely disgraceful
But agree with you he has let himself and his county down. He has a lot of ground to make up to redemm himself, hopefully next weekend he will be back to what he does best, being one of the best centre backs in the country, but no doubt a few of the Cork lads will be targeting him and reminding him of his play acting, will be interesting to see how he reacts to their baiting, but I think he will be embarrassed about the reaction from yesterday.
Perhaps this is the opportunity for the GAA hierarchy to come out and issue a statement regarding play-acting in an attempt to nip the trait in the bud. Beyond that, there is little you can do in terms of punishment. I'm sure player representatives can concoct some story about the effect 'shock' can have on your balance or some crap like that. Maybe it's up to managers to buy into a more wholesome ethos by dropping players who cheat or attempt to get others sent off. Then again, when results are the be-all and end-all, fat chance! If Kerry win the AI by crushing Cork and Wexford, playing exhilarating football, O'Mahony's action will hardly be mentioned around the Christmas dinner tables of drunken gaels in 2008.
Kerry Mike in O'Mahoney post without blaming it on Tyrone shocker!!
QuoteKerry Mike in O'Mahoney post without blaming it on Tyrone shocker!!
Get with the program, you have the wrong Mike, I am not blaming anything on Tyrone (yet) but I am becoming a bitter twisted man in my old age. so beware, dont be baiting KM.
QuoteIf Kerry win the AI by crushing Cork and Wexford, playing exhilarating football,
Ye Tyrone boys are some craic ;)
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 25, 2008, 11:33:42 PM
QuoteIf Kerry win the AI by crushing Cork and Wexford, playing exhilarating football,
Ye Tyrone boys are some craic ;)
Don't fancy your chances against Wexford KM?
Though we beat them in the 1913 and 1914 finals they beat us in the 1915 final stopping us winning a Three-in-a-row and in the process kicked off their own famous 4-in-a-row, yes Wexford are the only other team with a Four-in-a-row, and we have not got the upper hand on them in a final since. So yes am worried.
It's always frustrating when the instigator of these incidents gets off scot free while the player who retaliates carries the can. O'Mahony deserved some punishment for aggressive behaviour in the first place, with the way he was roaring in the Cork lad's face like some feckin looney tune. Isn't diving a yellow card offence? The fairest result all round would have been a yellow card to both imo, but i suppose fairness or commonsense doesn't come into it.
I think we all agree that we dont like to see diving in the game but since it was Tyrone that introduced this to Gaelic football with Jordan & Dooher and their antics, I think its only fair that they clean their act up first. Seems fair enough right ? Once this is done then they will be in a postion to lecture us from the moral high ground, as opposed to the hypocritical whingefest that we have witnessed on here.
So, I expect them to start on Sunday against Wexford. Dooher, we will be watching you........
I can just vision the Kerry chairman lauding their latest all ireland win by the boys "diving the way it should be"
As Mike Sheehy said its now up to Tyrone and Wexford to clean up this all ireland, bring back the spectators, restore the pride, show us all how its done and lead the way. Hopefully the two minor matches beforehand will be good games of football too.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 26, 2008, 05:05:32 AM
I think we all agree that we dont like to see diving in the game but since it was Tyrone that introduced this to Gaelic football with Jordan & Dooher and their antics, I think its only fair that they clean their act up first. Seems fair enough right ? Once this is done then they will be in a postion to lecture us from the moral high ground, as opposed to the hypocritical whingefest that we have witnessed on here.
So, I expect them to start on Sunday against Wexford. Dooher, we will be watching you........
Tyrone did not invent diving in gaelic football, my earliest recollection of seeing it was by Mr Spillane himself. O Mahony was a disgrace, no excuses, no turning it on another county, a disgrace.........Jesus help us but we are depending on Tyrone to put some honour back in the game. ::)
should o mahony have even been on the field? in the first half he got booked for punching someone (yep, a striking offence) and then throwing the ball at him. as down fans will tell you, apparently thats a sending off offence.
QuoteIsn't diving a yellow card offence?
Armamike, having sent the Cork lad off for a strike he could hardly book the Kerryman for diving. The ref had to call it one way or the other.
The suggestions here of new laws and video evidence are all ok until you consider the processes that will then commence. Decisions will be appealed to the various senile committees until we have new farces to go along with the old ones such as Galvin.
The Gaa has a lot of houses that it should get in order first.
Dear God have you seen the like of it! This reporter is a true legend. Surely Dooher should have left this particular topic alone! Maybe next week we can get an interview with Malachy O'Rourke on the virtues of 'sexy football'.
From independent.ie
QuoteDooher: 'diving' in GAA not a problem
TYRONE captain Brian Dooher has denied that 'playacting' and diving is creeping into Gaelic football.
His comments follow Cork's Donnacha O'Connor's dismissal against Kerry in Croke Park on Sunday when Aidan O'Mahony went down dramatically after an altercation between the pair.
And Dooher himself also came in for criticism for his reaction after a clash with Westmeath's Doran Harte which saw the Leinster man receive his marching orders. However, the forward played down the issue.
"It doesn't concern me," he said. "I don't think it is creeping into the game. Things happen but I wouldn't be reading too much into it.
"Nobody wants to see any cheating of any sort," he agreed. "It's up to the referee to deal with it. If he thinks there is something underhand going on then he should get it sorted out there and then."
After an indifferent start to the season, when they were dumped out of the Ulster Championship by Down after a replay, Tyrone manager Mickey Harte came in for some stinging criticism. However, Dooher believes it is the players who should have carried the can for that defeat.
Blame
"There seemed to be a lot of people jumping on his back but it's not through any fault of Mickey's that our performances weren't good," he countered. "He prepares us as well as he can but we didn't perform. Whenever we went on the park we weren't doing what we should have been doing and unfortunately Mickey got the blame for that. But we're still here and we're in the semi-final."
Tyrone's performance in the win over Dublin is widely regarded as the best the Red Hand have produced since the All-Ireland final of 2005, but Dooher reckons his side have gotten the 'rub of the green' in the run-up to Sunday's clash with Wexford.
"We just put the head down and started working again and we probably used up a bit of luck. We beat Louth and they didn't play well against us. We beat Westmeath and were probably lucky to get away with that when Dessie Dolan missed the goal chance. And we probably hung on by our fingertips against Mayo here (in Croke Park)."
"We haven't been performing that great, yet you know. A lot of people will look at that Dublin performance as a great performance but that has as much to do with Dublin as it had to do with us."
- Donnchadh Boyle
Once again Muppet your well named. The TV pictures clearly show the linesman explaining to McQuillan that an open palm had been used and that the fall was contrived. There was nothing to stop him issueing three cards - one red and a yellow followed by a red as 'Cristiano' had already been booked ( when incidentally he should have been red carded for a striking offence)
"TYRONE captain Brian Dooher has denied that 'playacting' and diving is creeping into Gaelic football."
Is this the most ironic statement of all time
Dooher has no shame :D
I hope Hardy doesn't mind but I just copied this from his post on the Joe McQuillan thread....
This is the rule that is currently in the GAA rulebook...
5.21 To attempt to achieve an advantage by feigning a foul or injury.
PENALTY FOR ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Caution offender; order off for second cautionable foul.
(ii) If play has been stopped for the foul, a free kick from where play was stopped, except as provided under Exceptions of Rule 2.2
This rule clear shows that feighing a foul OR injury is yellow card offence. So even if you consider the slap as a strike and therefore a sending off, there is still a rule that says you get yellow for feigning injury - which O Mahony clearly did.
Can you imagine this interview with Dooher. The bulk of the time spent talking about the match against Wexford, talking about the Dublin game, then reporter asks well what about O'Mahoney at the weekend, that was some dive wasn't it. Dooher, cute enough not to say too much about O'Mahoney says that he doesn't think its too much of a problem. Then bang next moment the headline is about Dooher and diving and loads of people reading the paper with ironic smiles on their faces.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 26, 2008, 10:15:22 AM
I hope Hardy doesn't mind but I just copied this from his post on the Joe McQuillan thread....
This is the rule that is currently in the GAA rulebook...
5.21 To attempt to achieve an advantage by feigning a foul or injury.
PENALTY FOR ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Caution offender; order off for second cautionable foul.
(ii) If play has been stopped for the foul, a free kick from where play was stopped, except as provided under Exceptions of Rule 2.2
This rule clear shows that feighing a foul OR injury is yellow card offence. So even if you consider the slap as a strike and therefore a sending off, there is still a rule that says you get yellow for feigning injury - which O Mahony clearly did.
This rule should certainly be enforced, and enforced retrospectively too for lads who obviously go down needlessly, or plain dive. The problem is you can't enforce it now because this year alone there's been many incidents of it. Also, the fact that it is a yellow card offence means it's effectively meaningless if assessed after the game as the worst penalty would be a two yellow cards sending off. Maybe they should introduce an automatic 1 match ban for the offence if it is only caught afterwards.
Next year, starting in the league, the GAA should make this directive number 1. Very few lads nowadays strike and get away with it unseen. That can be dealt with afterwards. So should the polar opposite.
Don't worry lads, Nickey is on the case:
Brennan hits out at players feigning injury
GAA president Nickey Brennan has hit out at players simulating injury, saying GAA players have a responsibility to "behave properly".
Speaking in the wake of the controversial sending-off of Cork's Donncha O'Connor in the Leesiders' drawn All-Ireland SFC semi-final with Kerry, the GAA president said: "There have been a number of incidents this year which have left a lot to be desired.
"I'd say on reflection some of the players involved might feel embarrassed about that. There's no point in saying otherwise. I'm not getting into specific cases, but players have a responsibility to each other. I smile when I hear people saying the GAA is trying to take the physicality out of the games. That's nonsense: over the last couple of weekends we've had some good, physical encounters, but at times stuff is creeping in we could frankly do without.
"Hopefully it's just a phase we're going through. There's no point saying referees should cop those things — the games happen at such a pace that a ref has to make a judgment call. They don't have the benefit of TV replays. There's a responsibility on players to behave properly and not to be feigning issues to get opponents into trouble.
"That doesn't matter if you're playing junior or an All-Ireland final. We all have responsibilities to opponents to play hard and fair and not to bring in the cynicism we see in other codes."
(From De Paypur -
http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-qqqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=70749-qqqx=1.asp (http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-qqqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=70749-qqqx=1.asp)
That's great so - Nickey's master plan to stamp out this scourge in the game? "Hopefully it's just a phase we're going through". Aren't we fortunate to have such dynamic leadership.
Diving & cheating in the modern game started with Spillane. It would be quite fitting if it were the actions of his own county man that helped eradicate it again, but I doubt it.
It's odd but I'm almost (stress on the almost) starting to feel sorry for O'Mahony.
The diving incident has all the marks of a career defining moment. It's hard to judge until more time has elapsed to give a bit more perspective, but the level of general indignation out there makes me think that this incident will be forever foremost in peoples minds when the name Aidan O'Mahony is mentioned.
Can't imagine that's the legacy he would want.
Quote from: Rebel In The Kingdom on August 26, 2008, 10:48:32 AM
It's odd but I'm almost (stress on the almost) starting to feel sorry for O'Mahony.
The diving incident has all the marks of a career defining moment. It's hard to judge until more time has elapsed to give a bit more perspective, but the level of general indignation out there makes me think that this incident will be forever foremost in peoples minds when the name Aidan O'Mahony is mentioned.
Can't imagine that's the legacy he would want.
No one forced the legacy upon him - he has achieved this all by himself
Don't think people will remember it beyond this season. I'm glad there is uproar about it for the moment though. Next weekend I'd say everyone will be on their best behaviour.
Even Dooher. ;)
As a nordie, we should be supporting the Tyronies on Sunday
But I have a slight concern, because of the hype over the O' Mahoney incident, that Jordan & Dooher wont be able to play their natural games ;)
Should make Sundays game a lot tighter
I'd expct that in the same way that a soccer player missing an open net from 1 yard is now known as doing a "Ronnie Rosental", GAA fans forevermore will refer to a dying swan theatrical dive an "O'Mahoney".
On reflection, I feel sorry for him in a way too, while still being outraged at what he did. It's an old-fashioned idea, but we should concentrate on condemning the sin, not the sinner.
I can understand how constant exposure to this sort of carry on gradually causes it to seep into the consciousness as the standard response. People who wouldn't dream of doing it if they had time to think about it, find themselves doing it spontaneously because it seems to be what you do in this circumstance. It's a bit like the way people copy other modes of behaviour without thinking about it, like saying "you know" in every sentence, or something like that.
It's no excuse, of course, just like saying "I was drunk, yer honour" doesn't get you off a criminal charge, but I sort of understand it. But he will have done the game a service if the widespread revulsion at his behaviour alerts players to the need to cut this shite out. In time, I hope he can console himself that that's a positive legacy.
Someone up above referred to the Mickey Ned O'Sullivan incident in the 70s and I wonder if like Hardy above AOMs behaviour is essentially learned. Without harping back too much to be past has this sort of behaviour crept in as a result of the introduction of the personal foul rules in the mid-80s and the black, yellow and red cards of the 90s?
Prior to that it was left to the referees discretion and as can be seen from the Mickey Ned incident that was pretty lax. In todays game all four Dublin players involved would have been yellow carded and at least 1 sent off. Perhaps it is time to loosen the shackles on the referees and let them be the final arbiter rather than over-reliance on a strict interpretation of the rule book and recourse to the CCCC and DRA and Central council, etc, etc. Or is that too risky?
I wonder will O' Mahony have "fully recovered" in time for the replay.? :) :) :)
Quote from: On_the_Couch on August 26, 2008, 11:34:29 AM
Perhaps it is time to loosen the shackles on the referees and let them be the final arbiter rather than over-reliance on a strict interpretation of the rule book and recourse to the CCCC and DRA and Central council, etc, etc. Or is that too risky?
Far too risky IMHO
It might not be too bad at county level but at club level there would be anarchy (in my county anyway)
Imagine giving referee's that sort of power :D
Far too risky IMHO
It might not be too bad at county level but at club level there would be anarchy (in my county anyway)
Imagine giving referee's that sort of power :D
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I doubt there'd be anarchy - I just think that now referees are too involved in counting the precise number of personal fouls collected by players rather than using their judgement on the tempo of a game and the seriousness of a particular foul - hence you get the ridiculous situation where a quick tug on a jersey can ultimately have the same sanction as punching the head off your opponenet, i.e being sent off. I know the personal foul rule was introduced to reduce the amount of persistent fouling that takes place - but I don't know if it is really working as intended and I bet there has been no serious analysis within the GAA heirarchy to determine if it is.
I also think that the more public the warning, i.e. the yellow card, the more open a player is to being baited into a reaction to earn the second yellow card. Surely the less bureaucracy a referee has to administer during the game can only improve their handling of the game.
With some of the referee's in our county there would be anarchy
Dooher: 'diving' in GAA not a problem
By Donnchadh Boyle
Tuesday August 26 2008
TYRONE captain Brian Dooher has denied that 'playacting' and diving is creeping into Gaelic football.
His comments follow Cork's Donnacha O'Connor's dismissal against Kerry in Croke Park on Sunday when Aidan O'Mahony went down dramatically after an altercation between the pair.
And Dooher himself also came in for criticism for his reaction after a clash with Westmeath's Doran Harte which saw the Leinster man receive his marching orders. However, the forward played down the issue.
"It doesn't concern me," he said. "I don't think it is creeping into the game. Things happen but I wouldn't be reading too much into it.
"Nobody wants to see any cheating of any sort," he agreed. "It's up to the referee to deal with it. If he thinks there is something underhand going on then he should get it sorted out there and then."
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dooher-diving-in-gaa-not-a-problem-1463107.html
:o
This is much the same as the Fergal Doherty & Rory Kavanagh incident
Ironically there was a similar incident with Doherty vs Clerkin in Clones and I saw the best bit of refereeing that day ... the ref told Clerkin to get up and get on with it!
I know the referee has to abide by the rules but more common sense from referees would help stamp it out too. For example now we know (courtesy of O'Mahony) that if you lie down you can get a man sent off - rather if the ref had told O'Mahony to get up (or booked him) there would be a lot less incentive to lie down!
I wonder would McEnaney have sent him off?
News just in - Cork's Donncha O'Connor is going to appeal his sending off !!!!!
Will he get a reprieve ??
Will O'Mahony get punished instead ??
We haven't heard the last of it yet !
Thank God for Frank Murphy ! ;) :D
Fair play to Dooher for leading from the front on this. I hope all other captains take the same stance.
Quote from: Uladh on August 26, 2008, 04:04:27 PM
Dooher: 'diving' in GAA not a problem
By Donnchadh Boyle
Tuesday August 26 2008
TYRONE captain Brian Dooher has denied that 'playacting' and diving is creeping into Gaelic football.
His comments follow Cork's Donnacha O'Connor's dismissal against Kerry in Croke Park on Sunday when Aidan O'Mahony went down dramatically after an altercation between the pair.
And Dooher himself also came in for criticism for his reaction after a clash with Westmeath's Doran Harte which saw the Leinster man receive his marching orders. However, the forward played down the issue.
"It doesn't concern me," he said. "I don't think it is creeping into the game. Things happen but I wouldn't be reading too much into it.
"Nobody wants to see any cheating of any sort," he agreed. "It's up to the referee to deal with it. If he thinks there is something underhand going on then he should get it sorted out there and then."
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dooher-diving-in-gaa-not-a-problem-1463107.html
:o
Who from? He took a hefty swipe from the Westmeath player.....
As far as I am concerned Dooher is a persistent diver, feighner of injury. He got a light clip from the w'meath player but it was his reaction that was the problem. He lay down like he had been knifed. Funny how it is mainly Tyrone people who defend him. Its not the first time hes done it either. Now Peter Canavan took some serious abuse in games and to the best of my knowledge he never lay down. That is why Canavan is one of the players I most admired and if Dooher started relying on his sizeable talent instead of messing I would admire him too. However, as it stands - asking a serial diver what is he thinks diving is an issue in GAA is a bit ridiculous.
Lets not start on dooher....
there are only so many hours in the day
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 26, 2008, 04:39:41 PM
However, as it stands - asking a serial diver what is he thinks diving is an issue in GAA is a bit ridiculous.
Nail. On. Head
QuoteNow Peter Canavan took some serious abuse in games and to the best of my knowledge he never lay down.
Oh yeah? His theatrics against Meath in 1996 were typically Tyrone. Dooher was up to his usual feigning injury that day too.
Quote from: under the bar on August 26, 2008, 04:44:50 PM
QuoteNow Peter Canavan took some serious abuse in games and to the best of my knowledge he never lay down.
Oh yeah? His theatrics against Meath in 1996 were typically Tyrone. Dooher was up to his usual feigning injury that day too.
That's right - Canavan - 2 years to recover - Dinky - 10 stitches and 6 months to recover - Dooher never recovered ! ;)
Quote from: under the bar on August 26, 2008, 04:44:50 PM
QuoteNow Peter Canavan took some serious abuse in games and to the best of my knowledge he never lay down.
Oh yeah? His theatrics against Meath in 1996 were typically Tyrone. Dooher was up to his usual feigning injury that day too.
The way Tyrone got the shite kicked out of them that day was typical Meath !!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
They were good at their job !
That was the worst display of GAA cowardice I ever saw
By who Mohan, by who
By the f*ckin GAA ...
- Ended Peter Canavans career for 2 years - McDermott
- Stamped in cold blood on Doohers head - O'Connell
- Split McBride's head with a knee along the line - Forget
No one had the balls to do anything about it ... cowards all
:D :D :D
The greatest display that day was the virtuoso bandaging performance by the Tyrone physio. You'd wonder why they threw off the bandages if they were so badly hurt. Brave lads, though, to keep playing on against those big frightening monsters, with their little lives in danger.
Quote from: JMohan on August 26, 2008, 05:07:43 PM
By the f*ckin GAA ...
- Ended Peter Canavans career for 2 years - McDermott
- Stamped in cold blood on Doohers head - O'Connell
- Split McBride's head with a knee along the line - Forget
No one had the balls to do anything about it ... cowards all
Bit harsh on the Tyrone lads.
Quote from: Hardy on August 26, 2008, 05:16:23 PM
:D :D :D
The greatest display that day was the virtuoso bandaging performance by the Tyrone physio. You'd wonder why they threw off the bandages if they were so badly hurt. Brave lads, though, to keep playing on against those big frightening monsters, with their little lives in danger.
The only problem that day Hardy was that the poor girl could have done with a bit of help - there were casualties strewn all over the field and not enough medical staff on duty.
You'se were a bloody disgrace and should have got your medals taken off you ! A shame and a disgrace !
That's not fair. I thought the master plan was carried out to perfection. Clearly we set out to defeat Tyrone by targeting Dinky McBride! And the anonymous (at that time) Brian Dooher!
The job was done when Canavan was taken out cynically by making him sprain his ankle. McDermott was under instructions – go out there and twist Canavan's ankle. But do it by lunging at his chest and missing. That way it won't be too obvious. When that's done, deal with their two real dangermen – McBride and the little fella – whatshisname.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 26, 2008, 04:39:41 PM
As far as I am concerned Dooher is a persistent diver, feighner of injury. He got a light clip from the w'meath player but it was his reaction that was the problem. He lay down like he had been knifed. Funny how it is mainly Tyrone people who defend him. Its not the first time hes done it either. Now Peter Canavan took some serious abuse in games and to the best of my knowledge he never lay down. That is why Canavan is one of the players I most admired and if Dooher started relying on his sizeable talent instead of messing I would admire him too. However, as it stands - asking a serial diver what is he thinks diving is an issue in GAA is a bit ridiculous.
myles
Dooher takes some serious abuse as well. I dont think you would be at too many Tyrone games to witness what kind of treatment he gets off "camera". How do you know if it was a light clip or not and if he is a persistent diver could you give us a few more examples?
Quote from: Hardy on August 26, 2008, 05:16:23 PM
:D :D :D
The greatest display that day was the virtuoso bandaging performance by the Tyrone physio. You'd wonder why they threw off the bandages if they were so badly hurt. Brave lads, though, to keep playing on against those big frightening monsters, with their little lives in danger.
It was like hamburger hill out there that day. Then Geraghty skipped down the wing and it was all in vain...
Oh how I remember that terrible day, when the blood stained the hoganstand and the water
And how In that hell they called headquarter bay - meath led us like lambs to the slaughter
Seany Boylan was ready he primed himself well
Well he butchered "wee" dinky and Dooher to hell
Then they battered wee peter - made his poor ankles swell
Nearly kicked us back over the blackwater
Quote from: Puckoon on August 26, 2008, 05:39:23 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 26, 2008, 05:16:23 PM
:D :D :D
The greatest display that day was the virtuoso bandaging performance by the Tyrone physio. You'd wonder why they threw off the bandages if they were so badly hurt. Brave lads, though, to keep playing on against those big frightening monsters, with their little lives in danger.
It was like hamburger hill out there that day. Then Geraghty skipped down the wing and it was all in vain...
Oh how I remember that terrible day, when the blood stained the hoganstand and the water
And how In that hell they called headquarter bay - meath led us like lambs to the slaughter
Seany Boylan was ready he primed himself well
Well he butchered "wee" dinky and Dooher to hell
Then they battered wee peter - made his poor ankles swell
Nearly kicked us back over the blackwater
Funny but true !
Well done Puckoon ! ;)
In 96 we learned all we ever needed to know about cynical football.
In 03 we used it to our advantage.
In 05 we taught the other guys the way we truly believed football should be played.
What thanks did we get? and the puke punditry just keeps coming.
So in 2008 we are determined that we can bring Gaelic Football on that wee bit more
To save it as a spectacle, to eliminate cheating and to show the Kerrys of this world
that winning can be done in a competitve manner by playing football.
Tyrone will play the football - we will leave the puke stuff to the Kerrymen.
God speed ye Mickey Harte
Very good Puck.
Well how do you do, young Dinky McBride.
D'ye mind if I step here on your thin pink hide?
And rest for a while, me cogs on yer skull -
I've been working all day the Tyrone team to cull.
I see by your bandage, you've only nineteen
Wee cuts in yer head that you want to be seen.
I hope you bleed well and I hope you bleed slow
To make sure you're still bleeding for Marian's show.
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Tyrone have been diving and cheating since '96. It was ridiculous the way they tried to sully the name of O'Connell and McDermott back then, two fine players. If I remember rightly they were heaping loads of personalized abuse on those two players back then as well. Thankfully, they got what they deserved that day.
Quote from: Uladh on August 26, 2008, 04:04:27 PM
Dooher: 'diving' in GAA not a problem
By Donnchadh Boyle
Tuesday August 26 2008
TYRONE captain Brian Dooher has denied that 'playacting' and diving is creeping into Gaelic football.
His comments follow Cork's Donnacha O'Connor's dismissal against Kerry in Croke Park on Sunday when Aidan O'Mahony went down dramatically after an altercation between the pair.
And Dooher himself also came in for criticism for his reaction after a clash with Westmeath's Doran Harte which saw the Leinster man receive his marching orders. However, the forward played down the issue.
"It doesn't concern me," he said. "I don't think it is creeping into the game. Things happen but I wouldn't be reading too much into it.
"Nobody wants to see any cheating of any sort," he agreed. "It's up to the referee to deal with it. If he thinks there is something underhand going on then he should get it sorted out there and then."
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dooher-diving-in-gaa-not-a-problem-1463107.html
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QuoteTyrone have been diving and cheating since '96.
Spillane started it all long before that.......
I was just thinking which in itself is a bad thing but
Whatever Pierce O'Neill said or did last Sunday, (maybe a bit of afters from O'Se's Munster Final sending off when O'Neill was again part and parcel of the affair), Darragh O'Se took exception to it on Sunday and lashed out. O'Neill hits the deck and rolls around the ground in "agony" holding his stomach, though the grainy TV images looks like O'Se skelped him in the smig. O'Se gets a red card and accepts his fate and saunters off to rest his weary legs.
What happens next is the Cork crowd (otherwise known to all as the Langers) go into delirium, cheering and applauding the fact that Darragh gets the line again, "Cheerio cheerio cheerio" they sing, I can't do that with a Cork accent but you catch my drift.
To them its 1 Nil to Cork. O'Neill the big langer eventually gets up off the ground and is seen High-Fiving a few of his fellow players, and the message I took from it sitting in my perch up in the Cusack was "job well done....again".
Kieran Donaghy races out to midfield and is pumped up and he gets some of the other Kerry players going, who then grab the game by the balls and get stuck into it big time, to try and win it for Kerry and to right their perceived view of the wrong in O'Se's sending off. Donaghy horses into O'Neill and bates him to most balls, whos the big man now O'Neill. A big cheer goes around the sizable Kerry supporters when Donaghy shoulders O'Neill away at one stage when the ref was throwing up the ball. We are all pumped up for this.
Then what happens only a few minutes later but Aidan O'Mahony and Donnacha O'Connor clash out over be the sideline, swapping tales of handbags and such like, pleasantries are also exchanged on what we must assume are the respective weather situations on either side of the county bounds. O'Connor is none to happy with the fact there is sun shining in Rathmore again while its fecking miserable back in Ballydesmond only a few miles away.
O'Mahony though cant let it pass and then barks out the clincher and asks him if he would show him him his medals (a reasonable question that any modest Kerry man would ask of his neighbour across the border) and poor Donnacha flipped his lid for he had no medals to show, so he slaps O'Mahony across the face in his best Langerette (female langer) imitation, O'Mahony does a quick count around the field (its still 14 to 15) and hits the ground, Red card to O'Connor (which the langer deserved anyway for the slap) , for fecks sake if you are gong to hit someone do it properly. The Kerry crowd (or the Animals as we are known) cheer in orgasmic glee, the score is now 1-1 and its really game on.
Its only afterwards we see O'Mahony's cheap dive on TV which was totally wrong but the view at the time was that Darragh O'Se was provoked by O'Neill and some players probably felt at the time they needed to even up the score, happens in most games, not right but it happens.
Looking ahead to Match 3 next Sunday, Kerry will undoubtedly target Pierce O'Neill while Cork will be gunning for revenge from Aidan O'Mahony, it will be interesting to see the attention both will get off the ball and if there is any skelps thrown their way, will there be any action taken by the officials. If either of the 2 gets sent off I am sure there will also be large amounts of well deserved gloating from the opposite sets of opponents. Maybe Counihan the ball grabber will start O'Neill on the forty then we will have fun.
Its not nice to see and I hate it to be honest but that is the tribal parish element within us, we love to gloat in our neighbours misfortune. How many games have you been at where one of the opposition is sent off and you stand up and roar abuse at them when they leave the field while at the same time you roar on your own men as your think you have a great advantage.
Wow, that is one convoluted story to try and half justify O'Mahony's actions.
Don't take this the wrong way Mike ... but that's awful sh*te
O'Se swung and was caught, O'Neill wasn't on the ground long at all - in fact got straight up.
O'Se is a langer for hitting O'Neill in front of the ref
O'Connor is a langer for not hitting O'Mahony hard - especially if he was going to do it at all
And O'Mahony is ... well ... just a langer for that carry-on
The title of the thread says it all perfectly Mikey Boy.
Aidan O'Mahoney = Pathetic
Quote from: muppet on August 26, 2008, 09:29:18 AM
QuoteIsn't diving a yellow card offence?
Armamike, having sent the Cork lad off for a strike he could hardly book the Kerryman for diving. The ref had to call it one way or the other.
The suggestions here of new laws and video evidence are all ok until you consider the processes that will then commence. Decisions will be appealed to the various senile committees until we have new farces to go along with the old ones such as Galvin.
The Gaa has a lot of houses that it should get in order first.
My point is that he should have had enough cop on not to red card the Cork lad in the first instance. Technically the ref may have got it right with the red, but what the Cork lad did was at a very low point on the richter scale of physical aggression. Referees do have the power in gaelic football to book divers. I don't know why they don't use that power. Ask yourself the question - would you prefer to watch a game of football refereed by someone who's a stickler for the rulebook or someone who lets the game go a bit and uses his better judgement at times.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 26, 2008, 08:46:12 PM
I was just thinking which in itself is a bad thing but
Whatever Pierce O'Neill said or did last Sunday, (maybe a bit of afters from O'Se's Munster Final sending off when O'Neill was again part and parcel of the affair), Darragh O'Se took exception to it on Sunday and lashed out. O'Neill hits the deck and rolls around the ground in "agony" holding his stomach, though the grainy TV images looks like O'Se skelped him in the smig. O'Se gets a red card and accepts his fate and saunters off to rest his weary legs.
What happens next is the Cork crowd (otherwise known to all as the Langers) go into delirium, cheering and applauding the fact that Darragh gets the line again, "Cheerio cheerio cheerio" they sing, I can't do that with a Cork accent but you catch my drift.
To them its 1 Nil to Cork. O'Neill the big langer eventually gets up off the ground and is seen High-Fiving a few of his fellow players, and the message I took from it sitting in my perch up in the Cusack was "job well done....again".
Kieran Donaghy races out to midfield and is pumped up and he gets some of the other Kerry players going, who then grab the game by the balls and get stuck into it big time, to try and win it for Kerry and to right their perceived view of the wrong in O'Se's sending off. Donaghy horses into O'Neill and bates him to most balls, whos the big man now O'Neill. A big cheer goes around the sizable Kerry supporters when Donaghy shoulders O'Neill away at one stage when the ref was throwing up the ball. We are all pumped up for this.
Then what happens only a few minutes later but Aidan O'Mahony and Donnacha O'Connor clash out over be the sideline, swapping tales of handbags and such like, pleasantries are also exchanged on what we must assume are the respective weather situations on either side of the county bounds. O'Connor is none to happy with the fact there is sun shining in Rathmore again while its fecking miserable back in Ballydesmond only a few miles away.
O'Mahony though cant let it pass and then barks out the clincher and asks him if he would show him him his medals (a reasonable question that any modest Kerry man would ask of his neighbour across the border) and poor Donnacha flipped his lid for he had no medals to show, so he slaps O'Mahony across the face in his best Langerette (female langer) imitation, O'Mahony does a quick count around the field (its still 14 to 15) and hits the ground, Red card to O'Connor (which the langer deserved anyway for the slap) , for fecks sake if you are gong to hit someone do it properly. The Kerry crowd (or the Animals as we are known) cheer in orgasmic glee, the score is now 1-1 and its really game on.
Its only afterwards we see O'Mahony's cheap dive on TV which was totally wrong but the view at the time was that Darragh O'Se was provoked by O'Neill and some players probably felt at the time they needed to even up the score, happens in most games, not right but it happens.
Looking ahead to Match 3 next Sunday, Kerry will undoubtedly target Pierce O'Neill while Cork will be gunning for revenge from Aidan O'Mahony, it will be interesting to see the attention both will get off the ball and if there is any skelps thrown their way, will there be any action taken by the officials. If either of the 2 gets sent off I am sure there will also be large amounts of well deserved gloating from the opposite sets of opponents. Maybe Counihan the ball grabber will start O'Neill on the forty then we will have fun.
Its not nice to see and I hate it to be honest but that is the tribal parish element within us, we love to gloat in our neighbours misfortune. How many games have you been at where one of the opposition is sent off and you stand up and roar abuse at them when they leave the field while at the same time you roar on your own men as your think you have a great advantage.
Amidst all this gloating and bating how did ye end up losing an 8 point lead?
Provocation is not an excuse Mikey. O'Se has been playing years - he should know better.
This thread has hit the dredges of soap, fudge and Readers Digest.
Real men say "fair cop".
Kerry use to have real men, not mitigating circumstances.
Ouch! where did that runaway train come from?
Malvinas = Simpleton
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 26, 2008, 08:46:12 PM
Kieran Donaghy races out to midfield and is pumped up and he gets some of the other Kerry players going, who then grab the game by the balls and get stuck into it big time, to try and win it for Kerry and to right their perceived view of the wrong in O'Se's sending off. Donaghy horses into O'Neill and bates him to most balls, whos the big man now O'Neill. A big cheer goes around the sizable Kerry supporters when Donaghy shoulders O'Neill away at one stage when the ref was throwing up the ball. We are all pumped up for this.
I warned ye beforehand. Donaghy has Omagh blood. O'Neill's da is from Clonoe. The Tyrone lads are simply dominating this year's championship.
How mnay years is Dara playing ?
He should have known better and beat O'Neill at the football which he was up until that point.
Quote from: orangeman on August 26, 2008, 10:42:27 PM
How mnay years is Dara playing ?
He should have known better and beat O'Neill at the football which he was up until that point.
Some people seem surprised at O'Sé's antics. The only thing that surprised me was that he has not been caught out more - in most games he throws a punch or elbow while his use of the knees in the back is legendary. Don't know why he does it as he is truly one of the best midfielders to every play - however always seems to like to show he is a hard man too.
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2008, 10:36:49 PM
I warned ye beforehand. Donaghy has Omagh blood. O'Neill's da is from Clonoe. The Tyrone lads are simply dominating this year's championship.
Is he not more directly Beragh?
Quote from: Tatler Jack on August 26, 2008, 10:46:36 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 26, 2008, 10:42:27 PM
How mnay years is Dara playing ?
He should have known better and beat O'Neill at the football which he was up until that point.
Some people seem surprised at O'Sé's antics. The only thing that surprised me was that he has not been caught out more - in most games he throws a punch or elbow while his use of the knees in the back is legendary. Don't know why he does it as he is truly one of the best midfielders to every play - however always seems to like to show he is a hard man too.
Maybe he needs to ? He gets plenty of stick as well but no doubt gives out more.
Its a bit of a chicken and egg question but Dara has learned "Fileann an feall ar an feallaire"
What a complete load of sh1te KM
The animals are trying to justify O'Mahoney's actions :D
Slick PR ebbing away at peoples perception of reality
Quote from: feetofflames on August 27, 2008, 08:38:53 AM
Slick PR ebbing away at peoples perception of reality
It's not working very well ! ;)
ForMid-Louth - the modern era is as far back as our clear recollections take us. In my case I remember sitting on my mothers knee when Waterford beat Kilkenny but of the play only remember Tom Cheastys white/steel hair ! However I remember Spillanes unsporting behaviour provocing his Derry opponent in the late 70s by backhealing his shins and finally spitting - thats when the modern era started!
Quote from: zoyler on August 26, 2008, 10:08:31 AM
Once again Muppet your well named. The TV pictures clearly show the linesman explaining to McQuillan that an open palm had been used and that the fall was contrived. There was nothing to stop him issueing three cards - one red and a yellow followed by a red as 'Cristiano' had already been booked ( when incidentally he should have been red carded for a striking offence)
Less of the personal insults, if your point doesn't stand up without it maybe you shouldn't bother.
Now show where the lTV pictures 'clearly show the linesman explaining'.......'that the fall was contrived'.
The sensible approach was to send off the Cork man and to tell O'Mahoney to stop making a fool out of himself and get on with it.
The dangerous issue for the Gaa here is what happens when you demonise players for 'diving' in Gaa.
What will quickly happen is that every time a player goes down injured, and there is a risk of a card as a result, the usual heroes will rush in trying to lift the 'injured player' to his feet to show he is not injured. This already happens occasionally.
Rule number one: if there is a risk of serous injury you never move the player.
Rule number two: if there is any doubt about the injury assume it is serious.
I am not for one second trying to condone what O'Mahoney did but the Gaa need to carefully think about what is the real problem. A player falling down pretending he was shot is merely pathetic, but is hardly the end of the world.
Lifting a seriously injured player to try prevent a yellow/red card is the real risk.
I hate to mention this but remember Alfie Inge Halaand to Roy Keane when Keane had done his cruciate? If that was Gaa I have no doubt he would have tried to pick him up.
The referees are vulnerable on this one I agree.This is such a seriously embarassing issue for the GAA,that we need to change the rule book.The decision on feigning injury can only be made on looking at video and other evidence retrospectively.In O'Mahoney's case,it appears clear cut,the time delay alone indicates that he was feigning injury to get a player sent off.Like other incidents this year,the fact that he miraculously was able to play on following a strike which left him so "INJURED",should encourage the GAA and the GPA to invite him to explain his actions.These incidents amount to "bringing the game into disrepute",in my opinion.
The warped argument that nobody was injured as a result of these actions is flawed.All these incidents had a major bearing on the championship,and we are selling players,management and supporters short by allowing this to continue.
O'Mahoney's actions appeared a blatant attempt to get a player sent off,and the GAA needs to ensure that any actions which make us a laughing stock,are severely penalised.This was a much worse offence in my book,than the Galvin incident,which was a spur of the moment action,as opposed to a seemingly calculated attempt to ruin a player's season ,and affect the result of a match!
Referees can not be blamed on this one,as they can not be expected to decide if a player is being honest or not.The 2 parties who must sort this out,are the GAA,who must legislate accordingly,and the GPA,who should sanction any of their members behaving in this way.RANT OVER!
I think 6th Sam has just said the first bit of common sense on this thread. Amid all the hysterics people are forgetting AOM did not suddenly invent this diving trait, it has occured a few times already, even this year Brian Dooher against Westmeath anyone? The ref is powerless to decide if a player is really injured or not and therefore we can't have a situation where players are being dragged to their feet when they go down, its far too dangerous. However the simple fact remains that, even as a kerryman I have to admit that AOM's actions, along with Dooher's and everyone else who has ever been this sneaky, were nothing short of a disgrace, and they should be hauled in front of several different letters of the alphabet above in Croke park, shown the clip and asked to explain themselves. P.S. I remember Peter the Grape doing something similar before as well.
I agree that a 'game time' decision on this would be quite dangerous, unless the referee clearly saw the incident. However I would, as I mentioned earlier on one of these threads, love to see a panel review incidents like this retrospectively and hand out punishments then. It would have to be a clear case of playacting though. I think it's fairly obvious from O'Mahony's reaction that he decided to get O'Connor in trouble. I don't think Dooher's falls into that category. Only Dooher himself knows if the punch into his stomach was enough to bring him down or not. I don't think a disciplinery panel could have definitively said from that footage that he went down too easily.
Padraic Clancy is another one who let himself down this year, a lá O'Mahony, and there have been a few others. Even Alan Quirke, the Cork goalie, did it after O'Mahony's incident.
Contrast with Seamus Scanlon, which hasn't been mentioned before. He took a right shoulder/elbow into the ceann from Cussen but tried to play on. When the whistle went, he went to his knee holding his jaw/head, which would be natural. If he had gone down roaring like O'Mahony did, Cussen would be sitting out this weekend as well. Maith thú Seamus.
I have just had a terrible thought-by suggesting the involvement of the GPA on this ,could we be opening a can of worms-Dessie Farrell will probably propose a special extra grant for every county player who doesn't feign injury.I think I see a strike coming!
It would be nice to see the DRA taking a hard stance on this. After all it is a player 'welfare' issue. Donnacha O'Connor, Dan Gordan and others have missed, will miss, or almost missed, huge games because of the cheating actions of fellow players.
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2008, 10:00:47 AM
The sensible approach was to send off the Cork man and to tell O'Mahoney to stop making a fool out of himself and get on with it.
Muppet indeed.
The sensible approach would have been to tell O'Mahoney to get up, then get on with the game. No bookings or nothing.
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2008, 10:00:47 AM
The dangerous issue for the Gaa here is what happens when you demonise players for 'diving' in Gaa.
What will quickly happen is that every time a player goes down injured, and there is a risk of a card as a result
How many serious injuries do you know of that occurred as a result of a wee slap to the face?
Most (read: virtually all) occur when playing the ball, and that is a different kettle of fish all together.
Taking a dive (like O'Mahoney did) and going down too easily are two different problems. When a player goes down to win a free - they do not usually roll around pretending to be injured.
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2008, 10:00:47 AM
the usual heroes will rush in trying to lift the 'injured player' to his feet to show he is not injured. This already happens occasionally.
Rule number one: if there is a risk of serous injury you never move the player.
Rule number two: if there is any doubt about the injury assume it is serious.
I am not for one second trying to condone what O'Mahoney did but the Gaa need to carefully think about what is the real problem. A player falling down pretending he was shot is merely pathetic, but is hardly the end of the world.
Lifting a seriously injured player to try prevent a yellow/red card is the real risk.
Scaremongering bullshit.
You wanna watch ponces leap around and drop at the slightest "contact" - go watch soccer and quit trying to ruin Gaelic.
O'Mahoney should be suspended for 2 months IMO.
I don't give a f**k what rule they suspend him under - just punish him by denying him any chance of playing in the AIF.
Calm down man. No need to go ballistic at someone who has a different opinion.
I think the retrospective review panel would be the ideal solution. Referee's don't make any judgements on the spot, unless they are 100% sure, regarding a players injury following an incident. That deals with the chance of a lad being pulled around the place if he is hurt.
The panel then deals with the miscreants afterwards, if necessary, and if the offence is obvious.
That should serve the dual purpose of a) protecting players on the field, and b) punishing people who seek to get opponents in trouble by playacting.
Hopefully that would address the issue at source. If I go down and roll around like a landed trout for no reason, chances are I'll get a ban.
One other huge problem for the GAA is the fact that as they have been pathetic in dealing mith this sly behaviour in the past there would be a huge outcry now if they were to suddenly start implementing it. What they need to do is release a statement making it loud and clear that this kind of behaviour will not be tolorated in future and clearly set out the punishment for such an offence. In my opinion (which usually isn't great), this is quite possibly the worst and sneakiest thing a player can do on the field of play. I would even see it as being worse than two lads squaring up to each other and throwing a few slaps.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 27, 2008, 11:59:33 AM
O'Mahoney should be suspended for 2 months IMO.
I don't give a f**k what rule they suspend him under - just punish him by denying him any chance of playing in the AIF.
Let's leave the O'Mahony incident aside for a moment. He's deservedly gotten criticised for what he did, but he's far from an isolated incident, despite what Dooher might think. I'd say every county has a share of lads who do this, it is becoming widespread.
So deal with the issue at large, rather than aiming any more vitriol at O'Mahony because he is the latest exponent of this dark art.
What county are you from yourself? Are any of your players fond of over-reacting? I can think of a couple of Offaly lads off the top of my head, so I'm not going to focus on Tyrone/Kerry or anybody else, not to mind an individual case. It's a common problem, and getting worse.
Quote from: ríochtciarraí on August 27, 2008, 12:03:48 PM
One other huge problem for the GAA is the fact that as they have been pathetic in dealing mith this sly behaviour in the past there would be a huge outcry now if they were to suddenly start implementing it. What they need to do is release a statement making it loud and clear that this kind of behaviour will not be tolorated in future and clearly set out the punishment for such an offence. In my opinion (which usually isn't great), this is quite possibly the worst and sneakiest thing a player can do on the field of play. I would even see it as being worse than two lads squaring up to each other and throwing a few slaps.
I think it's certainly worse than two lads beating each other. (Despite what the media would say). This is cheating. Throwing slaps in a row is just stupidity or temper. I agree, and have said this a while ago, that they simply can't punish O'Mahony now, after watching incident after incident all year.
What they need to do is have a public directive that the rule Hardy quoted will start being applied, and also that a review panel will look at incidents from the prior weekend. Obviously this is not ideal because some games are not televised. Hopefully be dealing with it at the highest level, it will change perception and behaviour all the way down.
The DRA should also be joint partners in this announcement, which should take place before the National Leagues next spring.
Quote from: ríochtciarraí on August 27, 2008, 12:03:48 PM
One other huge problem for the GAA is the fact that as they have been pathetic in dealing mith this sly behaviour in the past there would be a huge outcry now if they were to suddenly start implementing it. What they need to do is release a statement making it loud and clear that this kind of behaviour will not be tolorated in future and clearly set out the punishment for such an offence. In my opinion (which usually isn't great), this is quite possibly the worst and sneakiest thing a player can do on the field of play. I would even see it as being worse than two lads squaring up to each other and throwing a few slaps.
Agree,ridiculous and all as O'Mahoney's actions were it would be unfair to single him out ,given that other incidents went unpunished.The GPA needs to recognise this as a player issue and the GAA need to make it clear future incidents will be punished.
I think it will be a problem until people accept diving/play acting/theatrics did not begin and end with O'Mahony on Sunday. We have had supporters from certain counties standing up for their own players when they have also been taking a dive, until supporters see fault in their own players we will continue to see this behaviour.
Quote from: Minder on August 27, 2008, 12:48:12 PM
I think it will be a problem until people accept diving/play acting/theatrics did not begin and end with O'Mahony on Sunday. We have had supporters from certain counties standing up for their own players when they have also been taking a dive, until supporters see fault in their own players we will continue to see this behaviour.
everyone is blinkered when they come to supporting their own counties, but to say it is the supporters fault that players are diving is a bit stupid!!
Quote from: stpauls on August 27, 2008, 12:52:34 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 27, 2008, 12:48:12 PM
I think it will be a problem until people accept diving/play acting/theatrics did not begin and end with O'Mahony on Sunday. We have had supporters from certain counties standing up for their own players when they have also been taking a dive, until supporters see fault in their own players we will continue to see this behaviour.
everyone is blinkered when they come to supporting their own counties, but to say it is the supporters fault that players are diving is a bit stupid!!
Perhaps you should read my post again, if it is accepted and not seen as an issue that needs eradicated it will continue to happen.
Quote from: Minder on August 27, 2008, 12:54:53 PM
Quote from: stpauls on August 27, 2008, 12:52:34 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 27, 2008, 12:48:12 PM
I think it will be a problem until people accept diving/play acting/theatrics did not begin and end with O'Mahony on Sunday. We have had supporters from certain counties standing up for their own players when they have also been taking a dive, until supporters see fault in their own players we will continue to see this behaviour.
everyone is blinkered when they come to supporting their own counties, but to say it is the supporters fault that players are diving is a bit stupid!!
Perhaps you should read my post again, if it is accepted and not seen as an issue that needs eradicated it will continue to happen.
i have read it 3 times and i still cannot understand your point!! how can the supporter have any influence over an IC player, especially on the pitch? if a player is going to take a dive, that is their choice!! none of us want to see it, but there is nothing that we can do about it!! the only people that can stop this from happening are the top brass, whether it is by issuing a statement to say that incidents like these will not be tolerated, or by creating a new rule to punish these players that are caught in the act!!
Quotethey have been pathetic in dealing mith this sly behaviour in the past
Maybe I'm mad for getting involved in this, but I'll say my bit.
There was a lot of reprehensible behaviour in the lead-up to what folk here are blaming O'Mahony for - starting with the targetting of Darragh O'Sé by O'Neill and his cohorts. Now I don't know (or didn't see) what went on in the lead-up to O'Sé's dismissal, but striking is striking and he had to go.
Question 1: Was O'Neill's sledging/taunting (in whatever form it took) a 'manly' or acceptable tactic?
Question 2: Following on from your first answer, do folk here feel that Kerry deserved to be a man down at that point in the game?
Question 3: Following on again, is it likely that the referee felt that (from his observation of the Cork tactic) Kerry had been short-changed?
I'd have answered No, No and Yes, and I feel that what ensued was related to these factors.
Cue shenanigans on the sideline - O'Mahony gives gip to O'Connor resulting in O'Connor striking (no matter what anyone calls it, it was a strike) O'Mahony. O'Mahony does his Béal na mBláth and O'Connor gets the road.
Question 4: Is there really a difference, from a rules perspective, to the first incident?
Question 5: In light of the first incident, did the referee have any other option but to dismiss O'Connor?
Question 6: In view of the fact that Donaghy didn't get a stonewall penalty because he didn't stay down, allied with the circumstances of O'Sé's dismissal, is it futile to blame O'Mahony for acting as he did?
I'm with No, No and Yes here.
And lastly,
Question 7: Is the problem confined to cheating in relation to diving (compared to the broader question of sportsmanship in general)? Big No here from me.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 27, 2008, 12:14:29 PMI think it's certainly worse than two lads beating each other. (Despite what the media would say). This is cheating. Throwing slaps in a row is just stupidity or temper.
AZ you normally speak sense but this is where we disagree.
I cannot accept feigning injury is worse than trying to cause injury.
The thing is that it is assumed by some here that throwing a punch is instinctive or a reflex action and therefore, while no one is arguing against sanction, it is an action understood to be in 'hot blood'. The argument against O'Mahoney is that he somehow planned this.
I would guess that when O'Mahoney got his slap the first thing on his mind was to knock the Cork lad's block off, but he hesitated and before he knew what had happened he found himself diving.
This happened in the 2001 Connacht Final. Ray Connelly and Frankie Dolan squared up before Dolan went down clutching his head. The ref arrived taking out his book but Dolan copped himself on, jumped to his feet and admitted to the ref nothing had happened. The still ref sent off Connelly.
Most people felt Dolan had redeemed himself by trying to prevent the sending off despite his stupid reaction.
Good post Billy.
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2008, 01:21:11 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 27, 2008, 12:14:29 PMI think it's certainly worse than two lads beating each other. (Despite what the media would say). This is cheating. Throwing slaps in a row is just stupidity or temper.
AZ you normally speak sense but this is where we disagree.
I cannot accept feigning injury is worse than trying to cause injury.
The thing is that it is assumed by some here that throwing a punch is instinctive or a reflex action and therefore, while no one is arguing against sanction, it is an action understood to be in 'hot blood'. The argument against O'Mahoney is that he somehow planned this.
I would guess that when O'Mahoney got his slap the first thing on his mind was to knock the Cork lad's block off, but he hesitated and before he knew what had happened he found himself diving.
This happened in the 2001 Connacht Final. Ray Connelly and Frankie Dolan squared up before Dolan went down clutching his head. The ref arrived taking out his book but Dolan copped himself on, jumped to his feet and admitted to the ref nothing had happened. The still ref sent off Connelly.
Most people felt Dolan had redeemed himself by trying to prevent the sending off despite his stupid reaction.
Muppet, what I am trying to say is that I do, rightly or wrongly, differentiate between a row breaking out (as opposed to a sneaky elbow or something, which is worse again) and someone deliberately and consciously going down to get an opponent sent off.
Two lads getting thick at each other, and having a row, is to my mind silly, but understandable, and at least honest.
A lad falling poleaxed to the ground is just very poor sportsmanship, in fact it's downright cheating. (I agree with Billy, this diving lark is symptomatic of a wider sportsmanship issue, along with things like mouthing/taunting).
Cheating with an aim to directly get an opponent sent off for no, or little, reason, is very low in my book.
So, just to clarify, or re-iterate. I would differentiate between a row with two participants and a sneaky attempt to hurt, and maybe injure someone. The latter is far worse than the former. The latter is also worse than the playacting I'm talking about, but the playacting itself is an attempt to make the referee think that the opponent has made an attempt to hurt you. That's in the middle of that scale of 3 things.
In terms of 'palatibility' me, I find fighting the most easy to stomach, playacting to get lads in troubls a lot harder to stomach, and downright thuggery on the pitch as the hardest to stomach.
Edit: That's hard to read now that I look back. Very rambling :D Here's a scale of things that I can think of on the top of my head that I have seen. Maybe it'll be easier to see where I stand.
Sickening - Peadar Carton v Paul Curran last year, Loughrea lad v Joe Canning 2 years ago.
Hard to watch/very annoying - Aidan O'Mahony v Cork, Paudric Clancy v Down, etc etc.
Stupid and mildly dirty - Darragh O'Se v Cork, Ciaran Whelan v a few :D, Doran Harte v Tyrone
Stupid and rash - Dublin v Meath in the league, Armagh v Tyrone in Croker.
Here is a question that will surely get the posts flying...
Whats the difference between diving and taking drugs?
Wait, I think I know this one.......
Taking drugs gets you high but Diving is very low?
QuoteIn terms of 'palatibility' me, I find fighting the most easy to stomach, playacting to get lads in troubls a lot harder to stomach, and downright thuggery on the pitch as the hardest to stomach.
Fair enough AZ.
I am not a million miles from that as each of us can come up with a new scenario which would put a new slant on each point.
In Mayo's Match against Tyrone after Mortimer palmed in his goal, his marker up to then who had been beaten up a stick, rammed him into the stantion in the back of the goal and held him there. The ref did nothing until the very next attack when he dragged Mortimer down yet again whereupon he received his only yellow card of a disgraceful performance.
If Mayo people comment it is seen as sour grapes. The lack of comment by neutrals suggests it is acceptable.
Someone mentioned the Micky Ned clip. After the unbelievable violence of that clip the astonishing thing is Mikey Sheehy wanted to take the free before anyone from either team had bothered to notice that O'Sullivan was unconcious. Would they have noticed if he was swallowing his tongue.
In fairness we have progressed since those days.
Here we have 20 pages on a guy pretending to be hurt while the systematic thuggery goes on without comment from anyone other than the offended county.
Is it the Gaa that needs to cop on or us?
QuoteWhats the difference between diving and taking drugs
Diving gets you in hot water quicker.
QuoteWhats the difference between diving and taking drugs
Diving gets you haunted - taking drugs gets you medals.
QuoteCheating with an aim to directly get an opponent sent off for no, or little, reason, is very low in my book.
I agree AZ, and Cork (O'Neill etc.) were every bit as guilty of this as O'Mahony.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 27, 2008, 12:06:29 PM
What county are you from yourself? Are any of your players fond of over-reacting?
Down and yeap.
Damien Rafferty got Martin O'Rourke sent off for f**k all in Clones this year.
(Although O'Rourke is another diver that was repaid with karma)
I didn't see the O'Se/O'Neill incident, other than the grainy image (once) of Darragh swinging a paw into his gob. The O'Mahony incident was much clearer to me. I'll take your word for it. Either way, as I said, I prefer to get away from the specifics at this stage, and onto the general problem around player behaviour and honesty on the pitch. It's a man's game, so be a man. And don't confuse that with being a coward who hits lads sneaky elbows or boxes.
Only reading Muppets comments now. The TV pictures clearly show the linesman showing the referee the open hand for a slap and explaining exactly wehat happened - he clearly saw the whole thing. However I don't know if he told the ref about O'Mahony roaring as he clearly was before the slap.
Regarding the risk of a serious injury being confused with a dive the resposibilty would clearly lie with those divers who have brought doubt into the minds of officials and supporters.
Muppet. No better medicine for a diver than he got. It might get these guys to stop or at least give them a reason to dive. Given pain or diving Ill take pain. The messga going out to divers is if you are going to dive you might just get caught in a net.
Quote from: zoyler on August 27, 2008, 02:43:58 PM
Only reading Muppets comments now. The TV pictures clearly show the linesman showing the referee the open hand for a slap and explaining exactly wehat happened - he clearly saw the whole thing. However I don't know if he told the ref about O'Mahony roaring as he clearly was before the slap.
Regarding the risk of a serious injury being confused with a dive the resposibilty would clearly lie with those divers who have brought doubt into the minds of officials and supporters.
Good man, do you think that would stand up in the inevitable court case against the Gaa?
QuoteI agree AZ, and Cork (O'Neill etc.) were every bit as guilty of this as O'Mahony.
Do we actually have any evidence of this? All we can see is grainy footage of O'Se lamping O'Neill which presumably the referee saw as he sent him off. How does this make O'Neill comparable to O'Mahony?
No but it would not count against those who made a genuine mistake! Any person playing a field gane is taking a risk - if pretending injury is a common practise any court would have to allow for that in accessing resposability in any incident.
Will O'Mahony be in the next Snickers Mr T ad?
And just on Muppets comments on Conor "Mayo will win nothing without me" Mortimer, when Mort scored the goal, he was punched in the net and the umpire HELD HIM BACK so as he wudn't seek retribution- now if the umpire seen the incident and felt the need to hold back the Mayo player, then why didn't he feel the need to inform the ref of the incident? Clearly picking the ball off the ground is more detrimental to the game than hitting players off the ball?
Quote from: Blue and Navy on August 27, 2008, 03:27:35 PM
Will O'Mahony be in the next Snickers Mr T ad?
And just on Muppets comments on Conor "Mayo will win nothing without me" Mortimer, when Mort scored the goal, he was punched in the net and the umpire HELD HIM BACK so as he wudn't seek retribution- now if the umpire seen the incident and felt the need to hold back the Mayo player, then why didn't he feel the need to inform the ref of the incident? Clearly picking the ball off the ground is more detrimental to the game than hitting players off the ball?
I would say the ref was holding Mort up so he couldn't dive.
Zoyler if a player goes down with a serious injury and this injury (say a neck injury) is compounded by another player rushing in to lift him, the GAA, the team of the player doing the lifting or the player himself doing the lifting, or all 3 would be fleeced in court.
You can't hide behind 'it's just one of those things Judge' or 'it's all part of the game' especially if it happened off the ball.
QuoteHow does this make O'Neill comparable to O'Mahony?
As I agreed with AZ before GBB,
"Cheating with an aim to directly get an opponent sent off for no, or little, reason, is very low in my book."If you are inclined to say that sledging and taunting are not illegal, I'd answer that isn't diving either, but neither are sporting behaviour. I wouldn't agree with those who've suggested that what O'Mahony did was less 'manly' than what O'Neill did.
Quote from: Billys Boots on August 27, 2008, 03:44:53 PM
QuoteHow does this make O'Neill comparable to O'Mahony?
As I agreed with AZ before GBB, "Cheating with an aim to directly get an opponent sent off for no, or little, reason, is very low in my book."
If you are inclined to say that sledging and taunting are not illegal, I'd answer that isn't diving either, but neither are sporting behaviour. I wouldn't agree with those who've suggested that what O'Mahony did was less 'manly' than what O'Neill did.
Yes but there is simply no evidence to say O'Neill was cheating. Everyone can plainly see what O'Mahony was up to. It is unfair on O'Neill to brand him with the same brush with practically nothing to back it up. Who's to say that both O'Neill and O'Se were mouthing at each other and O'Se simply lost his rag.
A bit of balance needed before we go branding every player who gets a belt as a cheat who was looking to get someone sent off.
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2008, 01:21:11 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 27, 2008, 12:14:29 PMI think it's certainly worse than two lads beating each other. (Despite what the media would say). This is cheating. Throwing slaps in a row is just stupidity or temper.
AZ you normally speak sense but this is where we disagree.
I cannot accept feigning injury is worse than trying to cause injury.
The thing is that it is assumed by some here that throwing a punch is instinctive or a reflex action and therefore, while no one is arguing against sanction, it is an action understood to be in 'hot blood'. The argument against O'Mahoney is that he somehow planned this.
I would guess that when O'Mahoney got his slap the first thing on his mind was to knock the Cork lad's block off, but he hesitated and before he knew what had happened he found himself diving.
This happened in the 2001 Connacht Final. Ray Connelly and Frankie Dolan squared up before Dolan went down clutching his head. The ref arrived taking out his book but Dolan copped himself on, jumped to his feet and admitted to the ref nothing had happened. The still ref sent off Connelly.
Most people felt Dolan had redeemed himself by trying to prevent the sending off despite his stupid reaction.
Somewhat related. Last year Frankie struck out at a Galway selector in the Connacht club match. Not sure he even connected, but intent was there, and it was a striking action. However selector took a big backward dive, threw two legs up into the air, like he was shot. Dolan got suspended for 8 weeks. No objections. What amazes is that Cork are objecting in a similar circumstance, and they and many in the media and here believe they have right on their side. Time the big counties were dished out the same treatment as the small.
Quote from: muppet on August 27, 2008, 01:21:11 PM
This happened in the 2001 Connacht Final. Ray Connelly and Frankie Dolan squared up before Dolan went down clutching his head. The ref arrived taking out his book but Dolan copped himself on, jumped to his feet and admitted to the ref nothing had happened. The still ref sent off Connelly.
Most people felt Dolan had redeemed himself by trying to prevent the sending off despite his stupid reaction.
Incorrect, Muppet, imho. What actually happened was;
Peter Burke, the Mayo keeper, challenged Frankie head high as they contested the ball. Frankie subsequently explained on local radio that he was always coached to go down if he was illegally challenged in such a manner - he played and excelled mostly at soccer as a teenager, so that's probably where it came from.
Unfortunately for Ray Connelly, who i think was making his first full championship appearance that day(?), he arrived on the scene immediately afterwards.
Anyway, the ref consulted with his umpires & on their advice, showed an incredulous Connelly a straight red card.
Frankie then pointed out to the ref that he had sent off the wrong man,- ie Burke who was the guilty party in Frankie's eyes - but the ref's mind wasn't for changing & so the wrong man walked.
Most Mayo supporters simply misinterpreted what happened.
Tahht's understandable really, as Frankie went on to play a significant role in helping Ros to an amazing win, which severely punctured Mayo's genuine expectations of AI success. It was a season of great optimism for Mayo up to that point, as Cross had made the AI breakthrough at club level & a national league title had been won.
The following national and local newspaper clips reported the incident correctly at the time though;
Indo - Eugene McGee ColumnIncidentally, is it possible that the wrong man, Ray Connelly was sent off for an attack on Frankie Dolan? Dolan himself seemed to be pointing out a different player so we must await developments.
Examiner - Mark GallagherDolan will be remembered in Mayo for more notorious reasons, though. With twelve minutes remaining, the scores level, Dolan was pushed by Mayo keeper Peter Burke. There followed a couple of minutes of heated exchanges before, under his umpire's instruction, Seamus McCormack inexplicably sent off Ray Connelly.
Rubbing his jaw, Dolan shook off the challenge to play a role in Roscommon's first goal.
His running unsettled Mayo defenders, who left Gerry Lohan free. Lohan was released by John Hanly and sliced the ball under Peter Burke's body.
Western People [Local Mayo Paper]Wrong call by referee
Then came an incident which had a major bearing on the match. One would want to have a heart of stone not to feel for Ray Connelly from Hollymount who was on the receiving end of an extremely harsh decision when sent to the line by referee. There is no doubt that Frankie Dolan made a meal of the incident but he did have the decency to say to the referee that it was not Ray Connelly who was at fault. The despondent manner in which Ray walked towards the dug-out said it all.
This was a serious mistake by the umpires at the town end and they completely misread the situation. The fact that Ray, who gave a very gutsy performance for Mayo, will almost certainly be fully exonerated at the relevant disciplinary meeting, is perhaps of little consolation to him this week. And referee Seamus McCormack from Meath should be man enough to contact Ray and apologise to him on this occasion
For Mid-Louth -
I was merely pointing out that the 'modern era' is like 'the good old days' - It all depends where your starting from!!
QuoteYes but there is simply no evidence to say O'Neill was cheating. Everyone can plainly see what O'Mahony was up to. It is unfair on O'Neill to brand him with the same brush with practically nothing to back it up.
After the Munster final, the dogs in the street (in Cork) were bragging about O'Neill getting O'Sé sent off - I can't know anything about what happened, for certain, but the odds (from my viewpoint) are that the 'trick' was being repeated (or O'Sé was being reminded about it) last Sunday.
Quote from: Billys Boots on August 28, 2008, 09:17:21 AM
QuoteYes but there is simply no evidence to say O'Neill was cheating. Everyone can plainly see what O'Mahony was up to. It is unfair on O'Neill to brand him with the same brush with practically nothing to back it up.
After the Munster final, the dogs in the street (in Cork) were bragging about O'Neill getting O'Sé sent off - I can't know anything about what happened, for certain, but the odds (from my viewpoint) are that the 'trick' was being repeated (or O'Sé was being reminded about it) last Sunday.
In that case O'Se mustn't have a brain cell in his head! The same man riles him enough to get him sent off twice in the space of a few months and only by some freak of nature he won't miss the final over the 2nd incident? O'Se must be stupid!
QuoteO'Se must be stupid!
As must all players who (continually) respond to verbal provocation about alleged sexual conduct of their loved ones - and that's entirely their (the players) own fault, isn't it screenexile? Are you suggesting that sort of verbals is acceptable in the game?
How can a man get sent of twice in the last few months & still only miss one game?
I know the first sending off was 2 yellows, but at some stage they have to start punishing serial offenders (this is not a witch hunt against O'Se, just an observation)
The first sending off, or at least the second yellow card, was for a push under a dropping ball. It was a crazy yellow card. If he was sent off for striking, the ban would be doubled this time, I believe.
Quote from: Billys Boots on August 28, 2008, 09:31:38 AM
QuoteO'Se must be stupid!
As must all players who (continually) respond to verbal provocation about alleged sexual conduct of their loved ones - and that's entirely their (the players) own fault, isn't it screenexile? Are you suggesting that sort of verbals is acceptable in the game?
Are you suggesting that this is what O'Neill was up to?
Quote from: Billys Boots on August 28, 2008, 09:31:38 AM
QuoteO'Se must be stupid!
As must all players who (continually) respond to verbal provocation about alleged sexual conduct of their loved ones - and that's entirely their (the players) own fault, isn't it screenexile? Are you suggesting that sort of verbals is acceptable in the game?
Of course it's not acceptable in the game but is my saying that on here going to stop it from happening? Really thoughare you going to take something some kn**ker says on a football pitch that seriously? Unless someone had died and I was taking it badly I can't see how I would be assed if some dickhead said "I shagged your ma and your sister at the same time and they loved it". Really a man of O'Se's experience would need to wise up and let it go. He should have waited until the next 50/50 or even hit him a decent late tackle resulting in a booking for retribution rather than hitting him a slap in front of the referee... stupidity!
QuoteReally thoughare you going to take something some kn**ker says on a football pitch that seriously?
Well, it happens (frequently), and to folk as experienced as O'Sé too.
(http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2006/07/zidane2GET100706_450x440.jpg)
That probably the most stupid incident I ever saw... both should have known better!
The ONLY thing I would say for Zidane is that he was playing in the biggest football game in the world and he notoriously suffers from nerves so the slightest thing could have tipped his mental state over the edge. That was a clear moment of insanity from Zidane where I think he completely lost it. O'Se was more of a rabbit punch and he didn't really look as though he was that out of control.
Bottom line is that the stupidity from Zidane and O'Se shows that there can be benefits to firing a few verbals at lads who mabe can't handle it and most teams will take any advantage they can get these days... ironically O'Se and Zidane are encouraging this practice by their antics rather than stopping it!
QuoteBottom line is that the stupidity from Zidane and O'Se shows that there can be benefits to firing a few verbals at lads who mabe can't handle it and most teams will take any advantage they can get these days... ironically O'Se and Zidane are encouraging this practice by their antics rather than stopping it!
Yup, yup and yup. But shouldn't there be protection of these players against verbals, which (in my view) is as bad (and as contrary to the spirit of the game) as diving?
Incidentally, I read Ed Smith's analysis of Zidane's misdemeanour in his excellent book on sport - very interesting about sport in general.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/What-Sport-Tells-About-Life/dp/0670917222/ref=pd_ys_iyr46 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/What-Sport-Tells-About-Life/dp/0670917222/ref=pd_ys_iyr46)
Cork's Donnacha O'Connor is available for selection for this Sundays All-Ireland Football semi-final replay against Kerry.
The attacker was send off for slapping Kerry defender Aidan O'Mahony last Sunday, however, the red card and the four week suspension has been overturned by the Central Hearings Committee and he is free to play this weekend.
Justice is served !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kerry have now won this replay.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 28, 2008, 12:58:32 PM
Kerry have now won this replay.
Was it ever in doubt ? ;)
Holy fcuk
This is going to open some can of worms
How do you now differentiate between a hard slap & a not so hard hard slap
Justice my arse.
O'Mahony was out of order but this is a right hole they are digging for themselves now.
Is a deliberate slap in the face a sending off offence or not ?
Quote from: full back on August 28, 2008, 01:03:22 PM
Holy fcuk
This is going to open some can of worms
How do you now differentiate between a hard slap & a not so hard hard slap
I think this is an example of hard cases making for bad laws. O'Connor was sent off for a literal interpretation of the rules (aided by O'Mahony's theatrics). Whether he would have been sent off if O'Mahony hadn't collapsed like a house of cards is a moot point, but this decision would seem very strange.
Maybe ProZone have invented slapometers, and the GAA will use them to guage ferocity from now on :D
Good to see him back common sense has probably prevailed alright to be fair. This could open a can of worms however as to what constitutes striking. God only knows what the repurcussions of this will be. Are the referees now to be in charge of deciding how hard a slap has to be to constitute a strike? My understanding was that raising your hand and hitting another player, regardless of the force, is 'striking'. I realise he hardly touched AOM but this is an extremely dangerous road they are going down. Will all (if any) players currently suspended for striking now appeal citing their slap was not hard enough to constitute a strike? What repurcussions does this have for club games and all other games where video analysis is unavailable? This is going to rear its ugly head long after this years championship is forgotten about. As I said though it is probably only right he is back. Sort of.................
Kerry 2008 - Helping to sort out all the anomolies in the GAA rule book by selflessly sacrificing their own players.
Quote from: bcarrier on August 28, 2008, 01:04:15 PM
Justice my arse.
O'Mahony was out of order but this is a right hole they are digging for themselves now.
Is a deliberate slap in the face a sending off offence or not ?
Here we go again unfortunately ! I agree the GAA have made a stick to beat themselves with. I'd love to hear the justification for this.
As pathetic a decision as O'Mahony's was ... but hardly unexpected. ::)
Anyone not being anal over the strict interpretation of the rules will use common sense and say he should not have been sent off.
Its not like it was a weak punch versus a hard one ffs. Yeah a strike, but an open hand tap on the cheek, come on lads!
If we are going to go down that road you could claim that a pat on the back is also striking. Will be see multiple red cards after games from now on for this?
Whatever about legalities, using common sense as a barometre justice was done. Except perhaps that O'Mahony gets to play the replay.
The title of this thread should be changed to Gaa Rules and Procedures = Pathetic..
Why bother with a referee the next day? The CHC should sit on the sideline calling the shots with the CCCC up in the pundits box available to change anything that is queried. The DRA could be in an outside broadcasting unit waiting to reverse something that some one is really really really sorry for, while we should have a High Court sitting convened during the match, just in case like.
BTW, expect slapping to be extremely popular now.
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 28, 2008, 01:13:09 PM
Anyone not being anal over the strict interpretation of the rules will use common sense and say he should not have been sent off.
Its not like it was a weak punch versus a hard one ffs. Yeah a strike, but an open hand tap on the cheek, come on lads!
If we are going to go down that road you could claim that a pat on the back is also striking. Will be see multiple red cards after games from now on for this?
Whatever about legalities, using common sense as a barometre justice was done. Except perhaps that O'Mahony gets to play the replay.
That's pure rubbish. Using 'commonsense' is no basis for deciding justice or not. Perhaps the referee should have exercised common sense, but if he was reported for striking, and he did strike (even if it was like a woman), then he had to be suspended.
If not, then the gaa needs to reword the rule to say, striking with an open hand is a yellow card offence, as long as it's only a light tap. How would you even enforce that? Common sense is not an option in this case.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 28, 2008, 12:58:32 PM
Kerry have now won this replay.
What? Are you suggesting that this is thee motivational tool for O'Shea going into the replay :o
I'm sure O'Shea won't focus too much on that incident if he's any sense
Same as orangeman....was Kerry winning the replay ever in doubt?
It was slightly tongue in cheek, but I'd imagine the Kerry lads will feel 'f**k the whole lot of them'.
As for doubt, I wouldn't be 100% sure at all. I'd be more 70-30 to Kerry, but I'd not be shocked if Cork pull it off.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 28, 2008, 01:19:20 PM
Perhaps the referee should have exercised common sense, but if he was reported for striking, and he did strike (even if it was like a woman), then he had to be suspended.
Whats needed is a full definition of "striking" so. I wouldnt regard what he did as "striking" in the red card sense. As I said before, you could call a pat on the back a "strike" in thats the case.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 28, 2008, 01:19:20 PM
If not, then the gaa needs to reword the rule to say, striking with an open hand is a yellow card offence, as long as it's only a light tap. How would you even enforce that? Common sense is not an option in this case.
Fair enough AZ, but to say in the rulebook that what he did was a red card offense is crazy.
Commonsense tell me this ;). The unfortunately thing is that its a real impossible situation, as you have said, how could you enforce the above?
Its a sad day when we have to hold our hands up and say "common sense is not an option" all because of the actions of a cheat. If O'Mahony acted like a man he would have stayed on his feet, O'connor would have got a yellow at worst (strike or not) and nobody wouldnt have complained as it was clear there was no malice involved.
The players by their actions are not helping referees at all -
I watched the match last night again - Tomas O'Se wrote Noel O'Leary off near the end - O'Leary went down from the hit, then jumped up and motored on ! Pity the rest of them wouldn't show a bit more honesty.
Refereeing isn't easy and I don't want to be hyppocrtical after the event, but they do have a lot to listen to.
HHNB, or anyone else, please define how the Gaa could write a rule banning striking the head (which I'm sure you agree is undesirable) on one hand, while on the other it allows anwanted, univited contact to the head that is not particularly strong while remaining with the moveable feast that is common sense.
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2008, 01:47:32 PM
HHNB, or anyone else, please define how the Gaa could write a rule banning striking the head (which I'm sure you agree is undesirable) on one hand, while on the other it allows anwanted, univited contact to the head that is not particularly strong while remaining with the moveable feast that is common sense.
Remove the straight red for a strike, full stop. Empower referees to issue straight reds based on acts of aggression. Referee is empowered to decide if the action merits red, yellow, black or nothing based on HIS opinion of the level of agression. If brought to appeal, same rules apply to the people judging the appeal.
Not ideal by any means, but a rule that deems what O'Connor did deserves a red is just plain wrong.
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 28, 2008, 02:02:06 PM
Remove the straight red for a strike, full stop. Empower referees to issue straight reds based on acts of aggression. Referee is empowered to decide if the action merits red, yellow, black or nothing based on HIS opinion of the level of agression. If brought to appeal, same rules apply to the people judging the appeal.
As I said before this might work for county games but it certainly wouldnt work for club games holy man
When I see the words "common sense" written in relation to implementation of black and white rules, I reach for my revolver. The whole idea of rules is to remove, as much as possible, individual, idiosyncratic interpretations from the officiating at games. When you have to rely on "common sense" ( translation - a referee deciding whether or not he will implement the rules) then there's something wrong with both the rule book and the administration of the association that allows referees to usurp the will of the members in framing the rules.
Anyway, I can only interpret this latest decision as being based on precedent. Since referees have been allowed to ignore the rule disallowing points scored with the open hand, it would be inconsistent to penalise the use of the open hand in any situation!
Another skill mastered by Kerry. It seems no matter what any team does to gain an advantage Kerry take it on board and master it. You have to admire that ;)
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 28, 2008, 02:02:06 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2008, 01:47:32 PM
HHNB, or anyone else, please define how the Gaa could write a rule banning striking the head (which I'm sure you agree is undesirable) on one hand, while on the other it allows anwanted, univited contact to the head that is not particularly strong while remaining with the moveable feast that is common sense.
Remove the straight red for a strike, full stop. Empower referees to issue straight reds based on acts of aggression. Referee is empowered to decide if the action merits red, yellow, black or nothing based on HIS opinion of the level of agression. If brought to appeal, same rules apply to the people judging the appeal.
Not ideal by any means, but a rule that deems what O'Connor did deserves a red is just plain wrong.
Firstly you have not defined 'acts of aggression' or level of aggression.
Secondly you have handed greater discretion to the referees who are obviously getting it wrong as it is, given the steady overturning of their decisions by the appeals process. Any new rule should reduce their discretion or else the appeals should uphold their decisions.
BTW I know the first point is anal in the extreme but everything needs definition when you operate in the world of the likes of Frank Murphy.
QuoteNot ideal by any means, but a rule that deems what O'Connor did deserves a red is just plain wrong.
He lifted his hand to another players face - it was petulant and stupid. By the rules its a red. His red card should have stood. Now we have more messing on what is and isnt striking.
QuoteThe whole idea of rules is to remove, as much as possible, individual, idiosyncratic interpretations from the officiating at games.
Someone needs to point this out to Gerry Kinneavy (or whatever he's calling himself now).
Quote from: Hardy on August 28, 2008, 02:04:38 PM
When I see the words "common sense" written in relation to implementation of black and white rules, I reach for my revolver. The whole idea of rules is to remove, as much as possible, individual, idiosyncratic interpretations from the officiating at games. When you have to rely on "common sense" ( translation - a referee deciding whether or not he will implement the rules) then there's something wrong with both the rule book and the administration of the association that allows referees to usurp the will of the members in framing the rules.
Amen to that. Players, officials and pundits claim on the one hand to want 'consistency' then on the other hand to want 'common sense'. These are mutually exclusive concepts which only make sense together when looked through the filter of "punish
them for everything and let
us off scot free".
I wonder on what grounds this was overturned?
Did they argue that the referee was deceived by O'Mahoney's mendacious actions.
If that is the case, would their appeal have failed if O'Mahoney had stayed on his feet?
On the point on whether Kerry have the extra motivation because of this, precedent would suggest not.
Remember Anthony Lynch similarly got to play in a replay against the kingdom recently and it did not aversely affect Cork.
I feel overturning this kind of sending off undermines the referee.
I do hope O'Connor grabs his chance and racks up a big score.
Frank Murphy, the King of the Langers does it again, I'm vexed as f**k >:( but it was expected.
But as I've been living in a glass house all week, I can't be fecking throwing any stones, so for Kerry its simple on Sunday.
Win in for the Kindgom, win it for Darragh, win it for Galvin and then shove up the langer's holes.
a bloody disgrace to his club county and family!! when he looks back at this he suld be sayin to myself wat was i at!! pathetic
great decision....first time in a long time that the gaa has applied common sense to a situation such as this.brilliant.rules cannot simply be interpreted in black and white.to do that would destroy our game.they have to implemented by well trained officials who have a understanding of our game and what it stands for.every incident is different and must be treated as such.too many people who havent played the game are commenting on this topic and they are the ones talking bullshit about "lift your hands and you walk",thats not a rule people,strking is a sending of offence and in the mans world of gaelic football,a slap isnt a strike and id like to keep it that way.thank-you
Quote from: Big Mickey on August 29, 2008, 04:28:30 PM
great decision....first time in a long time that the gaa has applied common sense to a situation such as this.brilliant.rules cannot simply be interpreted in black and white.to do that would destroy our game.they have to implemented by well trained officials who have a understanding of our game and what it stands for.every incident is different and must be treated as such.too many people who havent played the game are commenting on this topic and they are the ones talking bullshit about "lift your hands and you walk",thats not a rule people,strking is a sending of offence and in the mans world of gaelic football,a slap isnt a strike and id like to keep it that way.thank-you
Correct ! You're 100% right about that ! ;)
Load of balls... slapping an opponent cannot and should not be allowed in our game. I know people don't like this but you have to think of the children. Kids are going to see that this kind of behaviour is now condoned and it will be happening all over the place before you know it. O'Connor should be banned as well!
na,i would be more worried about children seeing omahonys behaviour and them thinking that screeming into an opponents face is ok and then behaving like he did just to get a man sent off. it shows a total lack of respect for your opponent and once that starts creeping into our game you'l have alot more problems. if children where taught to play hard,put the hits in but also expect to get them back and take them when they come your way then theyd have alot more respect for their opponent and this would lead to less problems.
anyway, a minor slap shouldnt be an offence is gaelic football,its not striking.sure for gods sake everytime a man has a ball he's almost guaranteed to get at least 3 slaps on the head (more if ur playing arboe! ;)),is this striking. gaelic football is a different game than soccer and the rules cannot be implemented in the same way so stop trying to.
bunch of pansies
Ironically, that's how Cork got Lynch off the last time. Joe McQuillan (again) had reported him for 'striking', but Frank and co were able to show that he hadn't actually made contact with Donaghy, so technically he should have been sent off for 'attempting to strike', therefore he was let off on that technicality.
Common sense didn't seem to tog out that particular day.
Now that o'connor has had his card rescinded, in effect meaning that he didnt commit an offence, then the logical path to follow would be to take action against o'mahony for his role in the incident and fo bringing the game into disrepute!
I think some people here have been watching too much premiership - people saying "if he raises his hand" then he has to be sent off is taken directly from the commentators on sky or match of the day! I agree with big mickey - thats not a strike. I would consider what o'connor did as provocation rather than striking!
Quote from: Big Mickey on August 29, 2008, 04:48:31 PM
i would be more worried about children seeing omahonys behaviour and them thinking that screeming into an opponents face is ok and then behaving like he did just to get a man sent off. it shows a total lack of respect for your opponent and once that starts creeping into our game you'l have alot more problems
You could say the same thing about slapping an opponent in the face. It shows a lack of respect and it would be as effective as screeming into an opponents face for getting a reaction.
It is a mans game and players do expect to take hits. You're right mickey, when you're on the ball you should expect a few hits, maybe in the head, but this is not comparable to O'Connor's slap. He slapped a fella in the face and ones are chattin about him like he's the victim and he's only trying to play like a man.
On the subject of black and white rules vs common sense. I think a ref's job is hard enough and as much as possible should be made black and white. What's common sense to one man is an obvious mistake to another (as illustrated by this debate), so if things aren't black and white you're guaranteed inconsistency.
Quote from: screenexile on August 29, 2008, 04:31:33 PM
Load of balls... slapping an opponent cannot and should not be allowed in our game. I know people don't like this but you have to think of the children. Kids are going to see that this kind of behaviour is now condoned and it will be happening all over the place before you know it. O'Connor should be banned as well!
It was only a matter of time before somebody mentioned the children.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 29, 2008, 05:16:23 PM
Ironically, that's how Cork got Lynch off the last time. Joe McQuillan (again) had reported him for 'striking', but Frank and co were able to show that he hadn't actually made contact with Donaghy, so technically he should have been sent off for 'attempting to strike', therefore he was let off on that technicality.
Common sense didn't seem to tog out that particular day.
A Cork player only
'strikes' in the late winter/early spring.
Too many poofs about these days.
Never a sending off.
If yez can't handle a mans game - feel free to f**k off to soccer
;D
An old boss of mine, when bemoaning the increasing bureaucracy in life, used to say there are too many nuclear weapons in the world and not enough slaps in the mouth. He never watched GAA!
There is a whole lot of crap on here about slapping and sending people of for it - watch the 3 games tomorrow - I bet if you took the ultra-strict interpretation that some are advocating, at least 80 players would be sent off. Let's not turn Gaelic football a sport for a bunch of whinging babies.
Donncha O'Connor's ban being cancelled had nothing to do with the fact he slapped AOM rather than struck him but was due to a technicality found in the referees wording of the report.
How did you find this out, blanketattack? All of GAAdom, not least the Kerry county board has been agog to find out the reason O'Connor's ban was rescinded. I don't know if your information is official, but I'd guess it's correct. I can't imagine that the CHC would have decided it wasn't a strike, or that the referee erred or that this was a good way to punish O'Mahony's theatrics. None of those would stand up, so I presume The Wig must have pulled another piece of loopholery.
thirteen
QuoteYou could say the same thing about slapping an opponent in the face. It shows a lack of respect and it would be as effective as screeming into an opponents face for getting a reaction.
It is a mans game and players do expect to take hits. You're right mickey, when you're on the ball you should expect a few hits, maybe in the head, but this is not comparable to O'Connor's slap. He slapped a fella in the face and ones are chattin about him like he's the victim and he's only trying to play like a man.
excellent point. So we're allowing slaps in the face now? What if someone hits somone a slap in the face and gets a thump back, is it the one who thumps gets sent off?
btw,
FAO THOSE TALKING ABOUT "POOFS" AND IT BEING A MAN'S GAMEWould you mind telling me what sort of a man hits someone a slap across the face?
It's something a woman would be at. :D
I did it once, playing soccer. This character was lashing into me time after time and the last time I lost the head and I swung my right fist at him from behind my knee. As it was on the upswing I realised I was going to hit him a lot harder than I meant and could possibly do him major damage, so in some sort of reflex action I opened the hand in mid swing and caught him a slap that could be heard three parishes away and still put him down. I felt stupid. Red card.
Quote from: Hardy on August 31, 2008, 12:03:18 PM
I did it once, playing soccer. This character was lashing into me time after time and the last time I lost the head and I swung my right fist at him from behind my knee. As it was on the upswing I realised I was going to hit him a lot harder than I meant and could possibly do him major damage, so in some sort of reflex action I opened the hand in mid swing and caught him a slap that could be heard three parishes away and still put him down. I felt stupid. Red card.
Ever since the mouthwash I knew you weren't a man's man.
Players who like to provoke are going to have a field day now that you're allowed to slap because if you hit someone a slap in the face they are going to find it extremely hard not to respond with a thump or maybe we'll have grown "men" running around slapping each other, it'll be hair pulling next, taking off the football boots to throw them after that while calling each other sluts and slags - it's a man's game.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 31, 2008, 12:13:16 PM
Ever since the mouthwash I knew you weren't a man's man.
I've been forced by the authorities to use the mouthwash under the air quality regulations.
tankie, any chance youd change the title of this thread? everytime i come on the board it makes me want to puke. we've someone else on another thread referring to kerry players as scum and its too much
Quote from: magickingdom on August 31, 2008, 06:14:05 PM
tankie, any chance youd change the title of this thread? everytime i come on the board it makes me want to puke. we've someone else on another thread referring to kerry players as scum and its too much
Why? His behaviour was pathetic. Dont you agree?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 31, 2008, 06:18:49 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on August 31, 2008, 06:14:05 PM
tankie, any chance youd change the title of this thread? everytime i come on the board it makes me want to puke. we've someone else on another thread referring to kerry players as scum and its too much
Why? His behaviour was pathetic. Dont you agree?
no pints, he bust his bolix all year providing free entertainment for the likes of you and me. he then goes to work
He's getting a grant at the end of the year isnt he?
Dont give me shite about what he's done all year, he cheated, his behaviour was pathetic and he and you should expect people to comment on that.
Quote from: magickingdom on August 31, 2008, 06:23:54 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 31, 2008, 06:18:49 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on August 31, 2008, 06:14:05 PM
tankie, any chance youd change the title of this thread? everytime i come on the board it makes me want to puke. we've someone else on another thread referring to kerry players as scum and its too much
Why? His behaviour was pathetic. Dont you agree?
no pints, he bust his bolix all year providing free entertainment for the likes of you and me. he then goes to work
That was me calling Kerry players scum and I apologised for going too far, but as I said, they're not a very likeable bunch. As for O'Mahony, O'Connor bust his bolix all year providing free entertainment for the likes of you and me and goes to work and then some fool get's him sent off.
he got himself sent off..
Crossing over from another thread. in todays game which i only caught the highlights off so I may be wrong on this the Cork full back seemed to be sent off for attempting to kick the Gooch? As Cooper was able to continue on and therefore not hurt in the incident should the cork player not be suspended as there was no real harm done to Cooper and Kerry were not penalised as the scored from the passage of play? Suggestion have been made here that as O Connor didnt strike overally forcefully or gain any benefit from the strike then he shouldnt have been sent off. Aagin im curious to know if we are moving towards a more international rules approach to striking?
Was wondering that myself David.
On a related note I thnk the Gooch should be commended for not going to ground and pretending he was dead
Quote from: stephenite on September 01, 2008, 03:27:56 AM
Was wondering that myself David.
On a related note I thnk the Gooch should be commended for not going to ground and pretending he was dead
commended for what? for constantly badgering the ref the whole game, yapping like a baby? the decision was correct to send off kavanagh, but commend gooch for what? he was gone about a second before the "kick" came ::)
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 01, 2008, 04:10:37 AM
Quote from: stephenite on September 01, 2008, 03:27:56 AM
Was wondering that myself David.
On a related note I thnk the Gooch should be commended for not going to ground and pretending he was dead
commended for what? for constantly badgering the ref the whole game, yapping like a baby? the decision was correct to send off kavanagh, but commend gooch for what? he was gone about a second before the "kick" came ::)
Which part of my post are you having difficulty with? Try reading it again, and if you're still having trouble get back to me with specifics and I'll see if I can straighten it out for you ::) ??? ::)
QuoteI swung my right fist at him from behind my knee
Jaysus Hardy, how did you do that - are you a contortionist, as well as everything else?
QuoteOn a related note I thnk the Gooch should be commended for not going to ground and pretending he was dead
He did. After the score he went down for treatment.
Quote from: Billys Boots on September 01, 2008, 09:28:29 AM
QuoteI swung my right fist at him from behind my knee
Jaysus Hardy, how did you do that - are you a contortionist, as well as everything else?
Sorry - I was just trying to convey that it was a haymaker, wound up from a considerable way back, in the traditional Bellewstown style.
All the talk about O'Mahony last week seemed to get to him - he had a stinker yesterday.
Quotein the traditional Bellewstown style
So, you're a Balbriggan culchie after all. ;D
Balbriggan may be only five miles from Bellewstown, but "culchurally" speaking, it's light years.
I'm looking out the window here in the 'Briggan Hardy, and you're probably right.
I notice Brennan has come out and said the rescinding of the O'Connor sending off was down to a technicallity and that the strike should have constituted a four week ban. Strange that it took him so long to acknowledge this
Quote from: David McKeown on September 03, 2008, 10:55:03 AM
I notice Brennan has come out and said the rescinding of the O'Connor sending off was down to a technicallity and that the strike should have constituted a four week ban. Strange that it took him so long to acknowledge this
In fairness to Brennan he's often in a "damned if he does, damned if he don't" situation. If he keeps his own counsel, he's accused of not showing leadership. If he does a Mary Harney on it and comments on a specific disciplinary issue, he's accused of prejudicing the case.
Why has this decision been kept under wraps? Is it usual for the CHC to keep to itself the basis of its decisions?
Quote from: Hardy on September 03, 2008, 11:36:31 AM
Why has this decision been kept under wraps? Is it usual for the CHC to keep to itself the basis of its decisions?
It suited in this instance !
The other thing that struck me about what Brennan was saying and I only a report of it on the radio was that they didnt look at the O Se incident in the report because there was no appeal. If the association is looking out for all its members equally should it have told O Se of the reasons O Connor got off or should it have looked at the situation independent of an appeal? In other words if the association have found it rules have not be followed properly in one match and someone else has recieved a suspension, should there be a duty on the association to investigate?
Little bit of a disagreement between GAA HQ and Frank Murphy about this.
This is from www.eveningecho.ie
Meanwhile, Cork County Board secretary Frank Murphy has dismissed a Sunday newspaper report that claimed Donnoha O'Connor had been exonerated on a technicality in relation to his sending off in the drawn All-Ireland semi-final against Kerry. Speaking at last night's county board meeting, Mr Murphy insisted that the ban was lifted after examination of video evidence under ruling 147(cc).
Cork County Board seems to be saying that Nick Brennan is wrong in blaming a technical hitch in the ref's report.
Cork statement: "It was found that the facts proved disclose an infraction, but one less serious than that alleged in the notice of disciplinary action.
"The notice of disciplinary action alleged a Category II infraction, and accordingly the player is not suspended."
"This simply means that the Hearings Committee, based on the evidence (including video evidence) presented, found that Donncha O'Connor's action did not warrant a red card but rather a yellow card.
"While there was a technicality also with the referee's report, the case was principally made on the fundamental issue of the infraction being less serious that that alleged, and the player was cleared on this fundamental issue and not on a technicality."
With all Frank Murphy's tinkering with the rule book they still can't figure out a fecking way to get the better of Kerry in Croke Park.
the turf home
the hay saved
and Cork bate again
And who said it was a bad summer.
At least the Langers are good losers, I suppose they have years of practise at it :P
Quote from: ExiledGael on September 03, 2008, 09:19:39 PM
Cork statement: "It was found that the facts proved disclose an infraction, but one less serious than that alleged in the notice of disciplinary action.
"The notice of disciplinary action alleged a Category II infraction, and accordingly the player is not suspended."
"This simply means that the Hearings Committee, based on the evidence (including video evidence) presented, found that Donncha O'Connor's action did not warrant a red card but rather a yellow card*.
"While there was a technicality also with the referee's report, the case was principally made on the fundamental issue of the infraction being less serious that that alleged, and the player was cleared on this fundamental issue and not on a technicality."
* And between the lines, what they're saying here is that but for the 'theatrics' it [the infraction] may indeed have been deemed to have warranted a red card, if the intended Cork defence before the hearing is to be relied upon.