Near enough this time last year when Joe intimated he was quitting, there was a huge clamour for Paul Grimley to be given the manager's post, and indeed the appointment of Peter Mc Donnell was greeted with surprise and not a little disapproval throughout the county.
Would anyone swap him for big Paul now, I wonder
FFS give it a while !
Seems a gentleman with the weordest syaings ever.
Bigger tests lie ahead than Down or Cavan.
You've just sounded the death bell for Peter's Managerial career there Tony.
McDonnell cut his teeth at Errigal Ciaran - the management holy grail and was always going to be a winner thereafter.
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 02, 2008, 04:38:26 PM
McDonnell cut his teeth at Errigal Ciaran - the management holy grail and was always going to be a winner thereafter.
He made his name in his home place of Mullaghbawn you'll find. Made an average team into worthy Ulster champs.
had my doubts about him,but now believe he has breathed new life and attitude into the team.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 02, 2008, 04:50:27 PM
He made his name in his home place of Mullaghbawn you'll find. Made an average team into worthy Ulster champs.
Was he the last manager to beat Cross in the Armagh Championship?
Sure was
QuoteSure was
I didn't think he was that old... :)
He comes across very well in aftermatch interviews and going by the soundings from the players, they appear to be more than impressed with his ability. It looks like Armagh have landed a very good footballing brain.
It will be interesting to see what he can get out of this team, an Ulster will do for starters.
I know Peter professionally and personally and I never questioned him either way. As a Kerry man said to me in London when we won our first senior championship "cream always rises to the top". Armagh may never win an All Ireland but under Peter but it won't be for the trying
He's comes across as a very decent man on the telly. Very pragmatic man and a man who can get 110% from the team.
Well one thing for sure he wil leave no stone unturned in his prepartion..a shrude drole character
Well he has impressed me anyway and I think Armagh made the right choice in preferring him to Grimley who was part of the old regime which, although had achieved great success, had become stale and was definitely running out of ideas.
QuoteWell he has impressed me anyway and I think Armagh made the right choice in preferring him to Grimley who was part of the old regime which, although had achieved great success, had become stale and was definitely running out of ideas.
Agree, the old regime had great success, and no one could ever question Big Joe's ability having landed Armagh's first All Ireland, as well as the massive success at Cross. BUT, one All Ireland for the greatest Armagh team of all time is a poor return. Hopefully Peter McDonnell will put things right.
There was at least two all irelands in the old guard but Big Joe delivered the ultmate prize.
Unbelievable that a second one wasn't bagged. In the 2003 Final we never turned up yet it took a lucky block to deny us a draw but the 2004 one was the one that definitely got away. After Ulster only Fermanagh and Mayo stood between us and the final and we blew it big time against Fermanagh due to complacency.
"We"?
I thought "we" were Tottington Hotstuff or whatever they're called.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 03, 2008, 11:40:42 AM
Unbelievable that a second one wasn't bagged. In the 2003 Final we never turned up yet it took a lucky block to deny us a draw but the 2004 one was the one that definitely got away. After Ulster only Fermanagh and Mayo stood between us and the final and we blew it big time against Fermanagh due to complacency.
spilt milk again, just like tottingham
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXI2tCLQQYc&feature=related
;D ;D ;D
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No doubt that 'Fermanaghs finest hour' above will be used to motivate more then Fermanagh!
QuoteUnbelievable that a second one wasn't bagged. In the 2003 Final we never turned up yet it took a lucky block to deny us a draw
If you want to be a bit more comprehensive the block wasn't any more 'lucky' than your win in 2002, scraping the quarter final, semi-final & final by the slimmest of margins having been out-classed for long periods in the final itself. Kerry could easily have won by a bagful on another day.
Yes, and If Russell hadn't decided to appease Tyrone for 1995, in 2005, it would be Armagh and not Tyrone who would now have two All Irelands ;D
So you saying that Ciaran McKeever didn't foul O'Neill?
You also seem to infer that you would have done the job on Kerry in the final that Tyrone did. Could be doubtful given your performances against them in 2002 & 2006.
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 03, 2008, 01:55:00 PM
QuoteUnbelievable that a second one wasn't bagged. In the 2003 Final we never turned up yet it took a lucky block to deny us a draw
Kerry could easily have won by a bagful on another day.
And Armagh could have won by 74 points on another, stupid thing to say, like Tony's points.
QuoteUnbelievable that a second one wasn't bagged. In the 2003 Final we never turned up yet it took a lucky block to deny us a draw
Kerry could easily have won by a bagful on another day.
And Armagh could have won by 74 points on another, stupid thing to say, like Tony's points.
Yes indeed, my point exactly, they are imponderables, however my examples provided a balance to his wheras your 74 points is just ridiculous.......
No just the same. Yours was ridicolous too.
I see the point you were making though.
QuoteNo just the same. Yours was ridicolous too.
Was not! >:( :P
T Fearon makes a point though about it being a lucky block in 05.
How the f**k can executing one of the games greatest talents be deemed luck? People use luck too often, if a shot goes wide - unlucky , no it isn't, it's bad shooting.
I was a big advocate of the 'Joe Kernan way' and always will be, but I'd have to say that the change has done Armagh the world of good. He knew not to wield the axe, and has reinvigorated some of the older players.
Quote from: zoyler on July 03, 2008, 01:22:50 PM
No doubt that 'Fermanaghs finest hour' above will be used to motivate more then Fermanagh!
Will it not be used to motivate Armagh ;)
Quote from: thebandit on July 03, 2008, 02:45:26 PM
I was a big advocate of the 'Joe Kernan way' and always will be, but I'd have to say that the change has done Armagh the world of good. He knew not to wield the axe, and has reinvigorated some of the older players.
I'm not sure about that bandit. Armagh haven't met top quality opposition yet and some of the old guard are showing signs of wear and tear are they not? McGrane and Bellew have struggled at times and McNulty and McConville are more or less shelved. there's not much of 2002 left in this team
Gormley merely shut his eyes and dived in front of Stevie, it is commonly acknowledged that this piece of good fortune was responsible for Tyrone winning the game.
Bullshit Tony - great block.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 03, 2008, 03:29:18 PM
Gormley merely shut his eyes and dived in front of Stevie, it is commonly acknowledged that this piece of good fortune was responsible for Tyrone winning the game.
Toolbox!
It was am umbelievable block!
Take off the blinkers and stop making a fooking eejit out of yourself
FFS, he blindly threw himself in front of Stevie >:( I will acknowledge the man's bravery but it was pure luck, and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional
Quote from: The GAA on July 03, 2008, 03:10:06 PM
Quote from: thebandit on July 03, 2008, 02:45:26 PM
I was a big advocate of the 'Joe Kernan way' and always will be, but I'd have to say that the change has done Armagh the world of good. He knew not to wield the axe, and has reinvigorated some of the older players.
I'm not sure about that bandit. Armagh haven't met top quality opposition yet and some of the old guard are showing signs of wear and tear are they not? McGrane and Bellew have struggled at times and McNulty and McConville are more or less shelved. there's not much of 2002 left in this team
That's nonsense. McDonnell has gotten the best (so far) out of the older players.
McGrane was outnumbered for long periods against down and gordon only fielded one ball - and a miscued kick out at that. Granted he wasn't storming around in the second half as he normally does but he had his hands ful with down's extra numbers in that sector. Bellew hasn't been found wanting either but i will acknowledge that he hasn't really been tested yet.
Far from being "shelved" McConville and McNulty have been injured, are missed and will be important for any progress armagh might hope to make.
Aidan O'Rourke is part of the old guard and represents McDonnell's biggest master stroke. his form has been central to everything armagh does and i'd even say he was vital to armagh staying in division 2 through the national league.
McDonnell is no dozer and seems to know how to get the best out of players, irrespective of their age.
QuoteFFS, he blindly threw himself in front of Stevie Angry I will acknowledge the man's bravery but it was pure luck, and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional
Still smoking the magic mushrooms I see......
Anyone recall this?| 1 min: | Stephen McDonnell's right foot lands the final's first point from play. | Armagh 0-1 Kerry 0-0 |
| 2 mins: | Mike Frank Russell quickly replies by getting last year's beaten finalists off the mark. | Armagh 0-1 Kerry 0-1 |
| 3 mins: | McDonnell picks up a loose ball and sends over his second point of the match. | Armagh 0-2 Kerry 0-1 |
| 4 mins: | 19-year-old full-forward Ronan Clarke kicks over another Armagh point as the Orchard County make a promising start. | Armagh 0-3 Kerry 0-1 |
| 7 mins: | Colm Cooper swivels and lands Kerry's second point with his left foot. | Armagh 0-3 Kerry 0-2 |
| 10 mins: | Eoin Brosnan brings Kerry level again wth another point from play. | Armagh 0-3 Kerry 0-3 |
| - | Armagh's John McEntee suffered concussion | |
| 11 mins: | Kerry lead for the first time thanks to a point from play scored by corner forward Russell. | Armagh 0-3 Kerry 0-4 |
| 14 mins: | Pearse Og clubman Clarke is on target again with a long-range point for Armagh. | Armagh 0-4 Kerry 0-4 |
| 16 mins: | Armagh centre half-forward John McEntee turns to fire over an accurate left-foot strike. | Armagh 0-5 Kerry 0-4 |
| 19 mins: | The final's first point from a free is kicked by Dara O Cinneide. | Armagh 0-5 Kerry 0-5 |
| 20 mins: | Full-forward Dara O Cinneide takes his all-time Championship tally to 120, scoring from play to edge Kerry ahead. | Armagh 0-5 Kerry 0-6 |
| 22 mins: | Eamonn Fitzmaurice gets forward to score for Kerry. | Armagh 0-5 Kerry 0-7 |
| 23 mins: | Liam Hassett gives Kerry a three-point lead. | Armagh 0-5 Kerry 0-8 |
| 23 mins: | McEntee, feeling the effects of an earlier knock, is replaced by Barry O'Hagan. | |
| 24 mins: | Kerry's spell of dominance continues as Mike Frank Russell's shot is deflected over the bar for a point. | Armagh 0-5 Kerry 0-9 |
| 25 mins: | Diarmuid Marsden's first point gives the Ulster champions a much-needed boost. | Armagh 0-6 Kerry 0-9 |
| | Diarmuid Marsden scored twice in the first half | |
| 31 mins: | Dara O Cinneide scores from a free to give Kerry a four-point cushion. | Armagh 0-6 Kerry 0-10 |
| 32 mins: | Cooper scores from close-range to extend Kerry's lead. | Armagh 0-6 Kerry 0-11 |
| 33 mins: | Oisin McConville sees a penalty saved by Kerry keeper Declan O'Keeffe. | |
| 35 mins: | Marsden gets a stoppage-time point to leave Armagh trailing by four at half-time. | Armagh 0-7 Kerry 0-11 |
| | Half-time: Armagh 0-7 Kerry 0-11 | |
| 39 mins: | Marsden gets his third point of the final to reduce Armagh's deficit to three. | Armagh 0-8 Kerry 0-11 |
| 41 mins: | O Cinneide is on target with a long-range free for Kerry. | Armagh 0-8 Kerry 0-12 |
| 42 mins: | McConville scores his first point for the Orchard County | Armagh 0-9 Kerry 0-12 |
| 50 mins: | Liam Hassett scores a fine point for Kerry to restore the four-point gap | Armagh 0-9 Kerry 0-13 |
| 52 mins: | McConville scores from the 45 after Armagh had failed to capitalise on a goal-scoring opportunity. | Armagh 0-10 Kerry 0-13 |
| 53 mins: | Dara O Cinneide lands a free from the 45 for Kerry. | Armagh 0-10 Kerry 0-14 |
| 54 mins: | Oisin McConville crashes the ball past O'Keeffe at the near post for a goal which brings Armagh right back into the contest, just a point behind. | Armagh 1-10 Kerry 0-14 |
| 58 mins: | The teams are level when Armagh's Ronan Clarke lands his third point of the final. | Armagh 1-11 Kerry 0-14 |
| 62 mins: | Armagh surge forward to take the lead through McDonnell. | Armagh 1-12 Kerry 0-14 |
| 70 mins: | Eoin Brosnan misses a good chance, leaving Armagh still ahead going into three minutes of injury-time. | |
| Full-time: | John Bannon sounds the final whistle and Armagh win the All Ireland championship for the first time. | |
| - | Result: Armagh 1-12 Kerry 0-14 | |
I do!
QuoteMcDonnell is no dozer and seems to know how to get the best out of players, irrespective of their age.
I've seen McDonnell's mgt style at first hand at club level, which was why I took Armagh e.w. at 25/1 at the start of the championship. If it's in a team at all he'll bring it out.
If the players respect him and do what he expects of him he will make great things out of average men. Tactically he is very astute and he knows when to make changes generally. If they beat Fermanagh, I genuinely think Armagh could make the Final, if they avoid Kerry. I do not see any of the other teams as being any better than Armagh and I also think that on their day Armagh would beat Kerry. It will be interesting to see how Kerry fair against Cork on Sunday as this will be the first real test of the year for them.
QuoteKerry fair ... on Sunday
No, no, it's in Killorglin in August. :P
Quote from: Billys Boots on July 04, 2008, 09:24:50 AM
QuoteKerry fair ... on Sunday
No, no, it's in Killorglin in August. :P
Jeez Billy you're on form today, we have the Goat ready for the Gadderin'. I have me bill-hook and the cousins and I am ready to roll!