From the hotseat in the Championship programme?
According to the Irish News Sligo has defeated Tyrone and Austin O'Callaghan will be occupying the chair formerly occupied by Jerome, as presenter of the Championship.
A bit of nostalgia for those of a certain age, I well remember Jerome, Mark Robson and Sean Mc Cague away back in the early 90s with their Val Doonican like wooly jumpers.
Still if he had to be replaced could the beeb not have found some young babes a la Joanne Cantwell, instead of Austin O'Callaghan?
Guess would be asking too much to get Burns and Mc Hugh replaced as well!!
I think its compelling evidence of discrimination against gingers myself. This matter was raised in the Assmbly recently, and quite rightly too >:(
Quote from: Yes I Would on April 22, 2008, 09:28:03 AM
Guess would be asking too much to get Burns and Mc Hugh replaced as well!!
Apparently Gabby Logan is going to front the show ! ;)
This is one for the true Championship fans.
Can you name the former pundid on the Championship who's reply to every question was "very much so Jackie".
Why wasn't Michaela Harte considered for this post after all she has plenty of PR experience.
Quote from: Donegal Danny on April 22, 2008, 09:40:44 AM
This is one for the true Championship fans.
Can you name the former pundid on the Championship who's reply to every question was "very much so Jackie".
Why wasn't Michaela Harte considered for this post after all she has plenty of PR experience.
Michaela would be great !
Quote from: orangeman on April 22, 2008, 09:31:35 AM
Quote from: Yes I Would on April 22, 2008, 09:28:03 AM
Guess would be asking too much to get Burns and Mc Hugh replaced as well!!
Apparently Gabby Logan is going to front the show ! ;)
Christine Blakely would do for me!! Keep the other side happy!
Quote from: Donegal Danny on April 22, 2008, 09:40:44 AM
This is one for the true Championship fans.
Can you name the former pundid on the Championship who's reply to every question was "very much so Jackie".
Why wasn't Michaela Harte considered for this post after all she has plenty of PR experience.
yes - liam austin
was the answer to all of jackies questions
Quote from: Yes I Would on April 22, 2008, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 22, 2008, 09:31:35 AM
Quote from: Yes I Would on April 22, 2008, 09:28:03 AM
Guess would be asking too much to get Burns and Mc Hugh replaced as well!!
Apparently Gabby Logan is going to front the show ! ;)
Christine Blakely would do for me!! Keep the other side happy!
What the f--k would she know about it ?
Quote from: orangeman on April 22, 2008, 09:56:52 AM
Quote from: Yes I Would on April 22, 2008, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 22, 2008, 09:31:35 AM
Quote from: Yes I Would on April 22, 2008, 09:28:03 AM
Guess would be asking too much to get Burns and Mc Hugh replaced as well!!
Apparently Gabby Logan is going to front the show ! ;)
Christine Blakely would do for me!! Keep the other side happy!
What the f--k would she know about it ?
More than Austin O'Callaghan - god his voice is painful
As much as Jerome Quinn, and is much easier on the eye!!
Correct it was big L.A who answered Jackie Fullerton every time with those famous words "very much so Jackie".
Good riddance to Jerome, a more annoying prat you couldnt meet, he was like a spoilt child stamping his feet if you didnt agree with him.
All she would need to know is how to read an auto cue thats all the bbc would want her to do (toe THEIR line as it where)
Quote from: Donegal Danny on April 22, 2008, 09:40:44 AM
This is one for the true Championship fans.
Can you name the former pundid on the Championship who's reply to every question was "very much so Jackie".
Why wasn't Michaela Harte considered for this post after all she has plenty of PR experience.
Ger houlihan????
Damian Barton always seemed to konw his stuff.
Quote from: Minder on April 22, 2008, 10:13:53 AM
Good riddance to Jerome, a more annoying prat you couldnt meet, he was like a spoilt child stamping his feet if you didnt agree with him.
Agree totally! I've never seen a more biased presenter....hates everyone but Tyrone and cant even pretend to be impartial.
Even Loggie can give other teams credit without sounding like he has a gun to the back of his head but Jerome always comes across as begrudging.
In fairness to BBC this year, they have a lot of Ulster Championship games....has all the pressure finally paid off?
Christine Bleakley my hole , Nudie and JP Graham all the way!!!!!!!!!
There's no pleasing some people on this board.
If we're going off at a tangent, then how about getting Graeme Norton? He's a big gaylick fan and a great fister.
Agreed Orior. I think the Beeb should have had a competition to find a new presenter, like they're doing to find a Maria for a West End Show. It could be "Find a new Jerome" or something, with Norton introducing it, or "Strictly come presenting" ;D.
Stephen Nolan :D :D :D
if it is austin o callaghan presenting the new programme then i think it will be a good thing. very knowledgeable on GAA and a damn good journalist. met him a few months ago and he knows his stuff.
With Donna Traynor reading the news, and O'Callaghan taking over the Championship, it looks like those damn free staters are taking all the jobs up here. Is this what I am paying by licence fee for?
From what I've heard, Quinn was slowly been pushed to the background due to his protest of the poor and negative coverage of the GAA by the BBC in recent years. I believe he now just monitors the BBCi Sports NI and the odd wee bit of television work.
As for Austin, I met him a few years ago. A very nice and knowledgeable man. Plus, he's familiar with the board ;)
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 22, 2008, 10:16:24 AM
Quote from: Donegal Danny on April 22, 2008, 09:40:44 AM
This is one for the true Championship fans.
Can you name the former pundid on the Championship who's reply to every question was "very much so Jackie".
Why wasn't Michaela Harte considered for this post after all she has plenty of PR experience.
Ger houlihan????
nah - Con Houlihan!
Jerome vs, Austin warrants a thread?
Dumb & Dumber.
Jerome is in the final recording stages of The Most Fertile Man in Ireland 2.
What else can he look forward to doing now?
TFI Tyrone?
Spice Girls performer?
Harry Potter sidekick?
X Files?
Jessica Rabbit?
Wilma Flintstone?
Basil Brush?
Postman Pat?
Groundskeeper Willie?
Art Garfunkel?
One of the Proclaimers?
Steve Davis?
or
(http://nzlads.tripod.com/images/BeakerMuppet1.jpg)
Jerome also pointed out the fact that Windsor Park remains an igloo for catholic/nationalists a while back which probably didn't do him any favours up in Ormeau Avenue either.
Quote from: ONeill on April 22, 2008, 01:54:58 PM
Jerome is in the final recording stages of The Most Fertile Man in Ireland 2.
What else can he look forward to doing now?
TFI Tyrone?
Spice Girls performer?
Harry Potter sidekick?
X Files?
Jessica Rabbit?
Wilma Flintstone?
Basil Brush?
Postman Pat?
Groundskeeper Willie?
Art Garfunkel?
One of the Proclaimers?
Steve Davis?
or
(http://nzlads.tripod.com/images/BeakerMuppet1.jpg)
What about him and Bernard McHugh as a double act O'Neill!!!
The all new "Proclaimers".
Quote from: RONAN on April 22, 2008, 02:08:43 PM
(http://nzlads.tripod.com/images/BeakerMuppet1.jpg)
What about him and Bernard McHugh as a double act O'Neill!!!
The all new "Proclaimers".
Isn't that picture of Bernard?
Quote from: The Subbie on April 22, 2008, 10:40:39 AM
Christine Bleakley my hole
There's a bit of wishful thinking...
Jerome voiced his opinion too much instead of asking questions.. good to see him gone, seen denise watson won the sports journalist of the year..
could jerome replace datsun donaghy?
You have to think when you look at Austin O Callaghan & Jerome Quinn.......Is there a canteen at the BBC?
Nothing wrong with the change i suppose. o'callaghan always seems like a competent journo. personally, i like jerome's style and the charachter he brought to the program - way better than the bland rte dummies. on the bigger picture though it seems to me that this is down to the bbc bosses waiting a long long time in the long grass to get Jerome back in the best way they could.
by the way - all gaa journos are familiar with this board.
He was always a good friend of the boards and often extended the conversations we were having onto the programme. Anyone not remember the telephone debate they had on who had the prettiest supporters? :D
Quote from: Uladh on April 22, 2008, 02:57:37 PM
Nothing wrong with the change i suppose. o'callaghan always seems like a competent journo. personally, i like jerome's style and the charachter he brought to the program - way better than the bland rte dummies. on the bigger picture though it seems to me that this is down to the bbc bosses waiting a long long time in the long grass to get Jerome back in the best way they could.
by the way - all gaa journos are familiar with this board.
You're not actually saying Jerome is better than Lyster! Spillane of course but definitely not Lyster.
Quote from: Donegal Danny on April 22, 2008, 09:40:44 AM
This is one for the true Championship fans.
Can you name the former pundid on the Championship who's reply to every question was "very much so Jackie".
Why wasn't Michaela Harte considered for this post after all she has plenty of PR experience.
Apparently she had a good chance of getting the job !! Only thing was they couldn't get her removed off Mickey' arm. :D She loves the MEDIA.
Quote from: screenexile on April 22, 2008, 03:04:38 PM
You're not actually saying Jerome is better than Lyster! Spillane of course but definitely not Lyster.
Lyster is god awful
If there's a higher degree of awful than "god", I'd give it to him.
I think JQ would do a good job for RTE if given the chance. Spillane was a good pundit but is sh1t in the hotseat. Lyster is alright but bland. Makes John Major look colourful.
Good Luck JQ where ever you end up, if its only boiling tea for Jackie Fullerton.
In fairness lads Jerome is real GAA man....shown by the work he does at Bredagh....and whats wrong with him having an opinion...sure dont we all have ours!!
He was some craic that night in Greencastle when Tyrone won the Ulster Championship, with Sean Teague as Captain.
Ok Some want christine Bleakley - others want Nudie Hughes could we maybe have a vote to see would a nudie bleakley team bring in viewers?
On a more serious note it seems that if Jerome has been sacrificed for fighting for the rights of our GAA viewing public in the North then I say All Hail Jerome, Fair dues to ye sir and er ... bring us a cup of tea please! ;)
Bring back Jerome! All is forgiven.
Bleakley can stay with that muppet Adrian Chiles!
Its not plausible to think that he was sacrificed for fighting for GAA exposure, especially since the exposure has been increased dramatically. Also the report in the Irish News stated that Jerome remains a valued member of the BBC sports team. I think it is probably simply to give more experience to younger presenters,freshen the format, and hope that Austie will bring in a few additional 26 counties viewers as well.
The beeb's policy was in the early years, with the likes of Mark Robson and Jackie Fullerton presenting, to try and attract unionist minded viewers. Jerome had to wait his turn for a number of years and I doubt if you've seen the last of him in the presenter's chair
Quote from: ziggysego on April 22, 2008, 01:19:47 PM
From what I've heard, Quinn was slowly been pushed to the background due to his protest of the poor and negative coverage of the GAA by the BBC in recent years. I believe he now just monitors the BBCi Sports NI and the odd wee bit of television work.
As for Austin, I met him a few years ago. A very nice and knowledgeable man. Plus, he's familiar with the board ;)
He does Sunday Sportsound on the radio now (replacing O'Callaghan). I think you all are maybe reading too much into this. Quinn has done a great job for the GAA on the BBC, even winning a 'national' award for their live coverage of the 2003 final. Although we know his famous night at Windsor Park didn't go down well with the powers at be but it's probably just time to freshen things up a bit. O'Callaghan knows his stuff and has been very good on the radio the past few years but it remains to be seen if he can transfer that to the telly. Having a neutral presenter will be no bad thing either.
Wouldn't mind seeing the back of McHugh as well. Not that I don't like him or anything but if I want his opinions all I have to do is flick around the dial, Radio 1, TodayFM, Highland Radio, Radio Ulster plus a few of the newspapers. Come the Championship I'm all McHughed out.
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 22, 2008, 03:32:00 PM
In fairness lads Jerome is real GAA man....shown by the work he does at Bredagh....and whats wrong with him having an opinion...sure dont we all have ours!!
Yeah I'd agree with that, I've great respect for him since he use to post here and, unlike some, he was open about who he was.
Do you remember a thread where some people had a go at him and he came back and answered every point with real class.
I'm sorry to see him go.
Always thought he did a good job. Hope he wasnt removed for the wrong reasons, would say a lot about the bosses at the bbc. I'd rather someone show a slight bias towards their own county and support the gaa than be a kiss arse like Loggie.
Don't know the reason he's off the tele - but he's doing a great job on the radio on Sunday. He's a genuine GAA man, enthaustic, wears his heart on his sleeve - nothing wrong with a bit of honesty, rather than all the bland crap we get on the majority of sports programmes. He has fought the GAA's corner in the BBC and will continue to do so.
Keep up the good work ;)
Sin giota beag garbh Hardstation....ni raibh se chomh granna sin.... ;D ;D
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 22, 2008, 03:32:00 PM
In fairness lads Jerome is real GAA man....shown by the work he does at Bredagh....and whats wrong with him having an opinion...sure dont we all have ours!!
Good call 5 Sams. Jerome is a hell of a decent spud, knowledgeable and passionate about the GAA. He helped develop a youth policy in Bredagh who are now fielding at every level, promoted GAA in local schools... you get my drift
all the best Jerome
Whilst there is a lot of fun and games bandied about and my understanding is that Jeromes doing very well for himself at the moment in the BBC, and so thats why iM prepred to Joke about - he is a great gael, who really brought GAA 9 county coverage to a new level within the wee 6
Here's a true test for all you gaels. Where and with which institution did Jerome begin his journalistic career?
Quote from: T Fearon on April 23, 2008, 03:43:29 PM
Here's a true test for all you gaels. Where and with which institution did Jerome begin his journalistic career?
Derry tech? Radio Foyle?
Ulster Herald?
Jerome was the Irish News's main GAA correspondent, alongside Tony Mc Gee, in the late 80s, replacing the great Miceal Mc Geary, now of the Sunday Life.
This also shows how much GAA coverage has increased in general in the last decade or so. How many GAA correspondents does the Irish News have nowadays? I recall the time when it only had one or two maximum.
His first job was the main GAA correspondent for the IN. You sure about that?
Not sure it was his first, but definitely his first high profile job. Did say with which institution, in my original question
I'd find Austin a wee bit hard to stomach in his club roundup last year, but maybe he'll be better as an anchorman
austin is a top man and will go far,a very knowledgeable
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/other_sport_bbc_gaa_team/html/1.stm
This is how the news was greeted by all the relevant people up at Ormeau Avenue!
Quote from: AFS on April 23, 2008, 11:25:32 PM
Is it just me or is that Thomas Kane fella a bit 'funny' if you know what I mean. Very effeminate voice or something.
Exrtremely annoying! possibly very "funny". Does anyone remember about 3 years back they held a competition whereby young aspiring commentators competed for a chance to commentate on a minor game? I may be mistaken but I think that Thomas kane is the fella who won that competition. He sounds terrible, very hard to listen to.
I just had a frightening thought. Who now will take Austins job? ..... Thomas Kane?
Why do you shout?
Quote from: doire na raithe on April 24, 2008, 11:54:52 AM
I just had a frightening thought. Who now will take Austins job? ..... Thomas Kane?
If it was Jerome it'd be some craic.
He'd be a surly boy talking about camogie in Belleek whilst O'Callaghan and Burns/McHugh ate big creamy buns and drink tae from china cups in big comfy sofas, getting massaged from Tina the weather girl.
Austie is a top man - have known him since he was a kid and he really works hard at what he does and takes his work very seriously - no talking off the top of the head with this guy.
BTW Tony, Donna Traynor is actually from the North - she lived in Dublin for a while and went to College there (I knew her in college) but she was born up north (Down I think).
Wot about Claire McCollum from UTV. Her knowledge on GAA would be limited but she's a babe.
Claire Mc Collum was heavily involved in the programmes UTV broadcast (with Logie, Frank Mitchell et al) from the Marketplace in Armagh ahead of both the 2002 and 2003 AI Finals.
What does the likes of Jerome do when he's not on the telly for the GAA coverage May-September? Don't see too much of him covering sports for the bbc outside the championship.
donna treanor is from clones.
No sign of Jerome on the Championship team ??? Wonder who number 4 is meant to be?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/other_sport_bbc_gaa_team/html/1.stm
Maybe he has a job lined up at UTV.
Or TV3 ;)
Joe Kernan has been announced as one of the new pundits of the BBC Championship programme. Also the Tyrone v Derry is deferred, but all others are live.
When do Tyrone play Derry?
After they kick Aremagh around the field in Clones. Do you want a ticket?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7324441.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7324441.stm)
ULSTER CHAMPIONSHIP FINAL
Venue: Clones or Casement Park. Date: Sunday, 20 July. Throw-in: 1600 BST.
Coverage: Live: BBC2 NI
Derry v Tyrone
Austie will be brilliant, sure it was time for a change. Aren't RTe changing things too with Cantwell and the other one coming into it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7324441.stm
Actually this link says "ULSTER CHAMPIONSHIPSEMI-FINAL"
Venue: Clones or Casement Park. Date: Sunday, 20 July. Throw-in: 1600 BST.
I expect Armagh v Monaghan will be in Clones. ;)
Nice of Armagh to show a bit of support for Tyrone armaghniac ;)
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on April 22, 2008, 09:46:40 AM
Quote from: Donegal Danny on April 22, 2008, 09:40:44 AM
This is one for the true Championship fans.
Can you name the former pundid on the Championship who's reply to every question was "very much so Jackie".
Why wasn't Michaela Harte considered for this post after all she has plenty of PR experience.
yes - liam austin
was the answer to all of jackies questions
Which Liam? Junior or senior????
I hear Jerome's case against the BBC is going to be on the front page of the Irish News tomorrow.
Irish News headline today - sacked GAA presenter says BBC 'racially harrassed' him
This has to be a pisstake. He's not even black.
Quote from: Olly on April 27, 2010, 09:09:39 AM
This has to be a pisstake. He's not even black.
But he is ginger
This Board is given as being connected with the main excuse for his sacking.
Quote from: drici on April 27, 2010, 09:32:32 AM
This Board is given as being connected with the main excuse for his sacking.
in what way?
Oh dear. Hang your head in shame GAABoard.
(http://gryphonscry.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/guilty-puppy1.jpg)
Quote from: drici on April 27, 2010, 09:32:32 AM
This Board is given as being connected with the main excuse for his sacking.
Are you for real here??? It will be getting shut down
Quote from: winsamsoon on April 27, 2010, 01:43:04 PM
Quote from: drici on April 27, 2010, 09:32:32 AM
This Board is given as being connected with the main excuse for his sacking.
Are you for real here??? It will be getting shut down
Why?
from the Belly Telly
The former face of the BBC's GAA coverage has attacked the corporation — claiming it promoted "Protestant-supported sports" over Gaelic games.
Jerome Quinn claims the BBC subjected him to "racial and religious harassment" which left him "demoted, devalued and demoralised".
The extraordinary attack came during the opening day of a fair employment tribunal case against BBC Northern Ireland.
Mr Quinn fronted the BBC's GAA coverage of The Championship for 17 years until 2008. He was later removed from presenting Radio Ulster's Sunday Sportsound programme.
He was sacked last year after being caught posting anonymous criticism of its Gaelic football and hurling coverage on internet forums.
The Co Tyrone personality alleges unfair dismissal and discrimination by the BBC.
He is representing himself in the case, which is expected to last the remainder of the week.
Opening his case yesterday, Mr Quinn read a 14-page statement which alleged: Religious and racial harassment because he was Irish; Promotion of "Protestant-supported sports" over GAA and attempts to manipulate voting to stop a GAA player winning the 2008 Sports Personality of the Year award.
Mr Quinn said his sacking in 2009 cost him his career as a presenter and caused "serious reputational damage".
He said that relations with the BBC began to deteriorate about four years ago. Claiming he was the subject of "conscious discrimination" because of his Catholic and Irish background, he said: "The GAA is still discriminated against in BBC NI".
Mr Quinn said he had received "less favourable treatment than if I was a Protestant, British and not associated with the GAA".
He accused BBC bosses of reducing prime-time coverage of Gaelic games and having a "negative approach to GAA reportage".
He told the panel there was a "massive imbalance" in coverage, despite GAA being the top spectator sport in Northern Ireland.
Mr Quinn admitted criticising the BBC on internet discussion boards, adding it was " a poor error of judgment for which I apologise". He said it was an attempt to inform fans "of what was behind anti-GAA coverage in BBC NI".
Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/sacked-bbc-presenter-jerome-quinn-blasts-coverage-of-gaa-sports-14783116.html#ixzz0mIxP5RtZ
Good man Jerome, you have our full backing on this one.
Quote from: Hereiam on April 27, 2010, 02:15:22 PM
Good man Jerome, you have our full backing on this one.
+1
good luck Jerome hope you win your case
Maith thú Jerome. I would safely say you have tue support of every GAA fan in the country on this one.
Ádh mór ort.
Good stuff Jerome!
Jerome is after all only stating what every GAA person knows and there has been numerous complaints on here before regarding the coverage of the GAA. It's about time someone threw a cat among the pigeons and fair play to Jerome for not letting this lie. Nothing frustrates me more when your watching the local sport and every soccer match gets about two minutes each - the GAA coverage is then reduced to usually a solitary score if there is any video footage at all. That is of course, unless there is a field fight or something negative surrounding the GAA - this story will usually make the News headlines never mind the sport...
I've signed into this board to voice my support for Jerome - even if he is ginger!
Everybody knows that the BBC has been pushing the GAA down the agenda. Somebody may tell the gang in Ormeau Ave that fenians are no longer second class citizens and fair play to Jerome for taking a stand.
What amazes me is that the BBC has cameras up at Ballyskeagh on a Saturday whenever there's a couple of hundred punters for an Irish League match and yet a derby game up in the glens, or any county for that matter, would attract considerably more and is not deemed to be worthy of any comment in their sports' bulletins. Who determines the hierarchy of sport? Who decides that soccer is more demanding of television coverage than Gaelic Games?
Although I don't want anything from the British Broadcasting Corporation, we should bring them to task as those of us who live in the six north eastern counties are forced to contribute to their coffers.
So, fair play to Jerome and maybe the Ulster Council should speak out against the BBC
Quote from: Nally Stand on April 27, 2010, 02:25:31 PM
Maith thú Jerome. I would safely say you have tue support of every GAA fan in the country on this one.
Ádh mór ort.
+1
Great to see you taking a stand jerome
all the best with the case
Aye coverage of GAA has always been piss poor on BBC. Loads of coverage of soccer matches with only a few hundred spectators there and a Ulster semi or something with several thousand gets treated the same. But its surprising its taking him so long to blast them over it. You'd wonder why it's only last year he put up the comments on the internet when the BBC's coverage has been woeful for years. Still, good for him, and hope they get nailed by the employment tribunal over it.
Fantastic Jerome. Great to see someone taking a meaningful stand on this at last. At the very least it is going to highlight and the issue upstairs and put major pressure on the bbc to justify their marginalising of gaelic games coverage. I hope you succeed.
we've been saying it here from when the old board existed. But i fear Jerome will be hung out to dry because they will say he shouldn't have been criticising the company he works for especially during company time. Si i doubt he will win his case. But it will serve a purpose because it will once again highlight the stinking amount of coverage afforded to the Gaa by the BBC. Only this time it is a legal matter and will get far more coverage.
Good luck to him, I see he is representing himself which will not be easy. I am sure he has had advice aplenty from a few people in the legal profession though.
Good luck to Jerome.
As GAA fans up north have to pay for BBC coverage,they should have fair play for the biggest sporting organisation in the North,it always struck me as strange how they showed highlights of Irish Premier League games in greast detail,yet wouldnt show Ulster Counties league games,some games(especially Ulster derbies) by themselves who would have more at them than the entire IPL schedule.
Hopefully TV3/RTE will offer Jerome a job.
GAA stories have even dropped down the teletext page.
Keep her lit Jerome.
Don't let the bastards get you down! :P
Quote from: Donagh on April 22, 2008, 05:16:31 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 22, 2008, 01:19:47 PM
From what I've heard, Quinn was slowly been pushed to the background due to his protest of the poor and negative coverage of the GAA by the BBC in recent years. I believe he now just monitors the BBCi Sports NI and the odd wee bit of television work.
As for Austin, I met him a few years ago. A very nice and knowledgeable man. Plus, he's familiar with the board ;)
I think you all are maybe reading too much into this.
*coughs* ;)
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on April 27, 2010, 03:04:41 PM
Good luck to Jerome.
As GAA fans up north have to pay for BBC coverage,they should have fair play for the biggest sporting organisation in the North,it always struck me as strange how they showed highlights of Irish Premier League games in greast detail,yet wouldnt show Ulster Counties league games,some games(especially Ulster derbies) by themselves who would have more at them than the entire IPL schedule.
Hopefully TV3/RTE will offer Jerome a job.
As license fee payers we've as much right as anyone else and if the few hundred who turn up to see the blues on a saturday can get air time theres no reason the club GAA games in various counties let alone intercounty games with a few thousand attending shouldn't get the same if not more air time.
Get wired into them Jerome.
yeah giving off about your bosses on company time was a silly thing to do. should have waited till he got home before calling his bosses a shower of Wnakers.
cant see him winning his case, more than likely it has been a 'work mate' that has grassed him up on the posting.
but keep her lit Jerome. those videos he does at games are great
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2010, 04:04:14 PM
yeah giving off about your bosses on company time was a silly thing to do. should have waited till he got home before calling his bosses a shower of Wnakers.
cant see him winning his case, more than likely it has been a 'work mate' that has grassed him up on the posting.
but keep her lit Jerome. those videos he does at games are great
Agreed, the best he can do is to redden a few faces at the BBC.
Under what name did Jerome post on here?
Fair play to him anyway. Always struck me as a good GAA man who knew his stuff. Hopefully something good arises out of this for him anyway.
You've got the full backing on here Mr Quinn, good luck.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on April 27, 2010, 04:09:49 PM
You've got the full backing on here Mr Quinn, good luck.
Cheers!
Fair play Jerome, show them up for what they are!
+1 to the above
His book on the Ulster teams and Captains of the 90's was a very good read.
Good Luck Jerome!
I wish him well, but what about the alternative scenario? He loses his case and the BBC point to that as proof, anytime they're taken to task, that allegations of negative bias in GAA coverage are nonsense, as found by an official tribunal.
I hope Jerome is successful, however he needs a good sound argument. When your argument is based on sectarianism you kind of leave yourself open to the same challenge.
On the positive side, the BBC did get rid of that cnut George Jones.
Quote from: Hardy on April 27, 2010, 04:22:46 PM
I wish him well, but what about the alternative scenario? He loses his case and the BBC point to that as proof, anytime they're taken to task, that allegations of negative bias in GAA coverage are nonsense, as found by an official tribunal.
We're all well used to that argument though aren't we?
Quote from: Hardy on April 27, 2010, 04:22:46 PM
I wish him well, but what about the alternative scenario? He loses his case and the BBC point to that as proof, anytime they're taken to task, that allegations of negative bias in GAA coverage are nonsense, as found by an official tribunal.
Good point Hardy...you can be sure that the BBC will be highlighting the fact that Jerome's replacement was Austin O'Callaghan who I think is from Co Sligo?? and probably is from a Catholic background??
The mindset at the BBC seems to be that between soccer and GAA ( to make this easier I am leaving out rugby and other sports)
1. Northern Ireland International soccer is top dog
2. Irish league club soccer is the equivalent of Championship GAA
3. National League GAA barely merits a mention
4. McKenna Cup, Club finals or hurling of any description- Forget it.
This is despite the fact that some Club Finals have a bigger attendance than many NI International matches.
Also if an Ulster Championship match in Clones has 35,000 at it, I would safely say that the majority of Irish League soccer clubs would need to play 50 games before they would get a total attendance of 35,000!
But as far as the BBC is concerned Newry Town v Distillery is just as important as Down v Armagh.
Fair play Jerome, this shit needs to be exposed!
As a matter of interest ... how many would NI have watching them play a standard WC qualifier?
14,900 against Poland WC qualifier March 2009 and Poland would have had a good few supporters there too
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/match/3073892
Quote from: boojangles on April 27, 2010, 04:08:30 PM
Under what name did Jerome post on here?
Fair play to him anyway. Always struck me as a good GAA man who knew his stuff. Hopefully something good arises out of this for him anyway.
For God's sake nobody answer that.
This is an anonymous forum. Everyone is technically anonymous unless they decide to reveal their username themselves. I would say the BBC or anyone else would have quite a job proving who an anonymous poster on an anonymous website actually was. Especially such a high profile individual given the chance of someone pretending to be him.
Best of luck Jerome.
Quote from: Feckitt on April 27, 2010, 04:37:12 PM
The mindset at the BBC seems to be that between soccer and GAA ( to make this easier I am leaving out rugby and other sports)
1. Northern Ireland International soccer is top dog
2. Irish league club soccer is the equivalent of Championship GAA
3. National League GAA barely merits a mention
4. McKenna Cup, Club finals or hurling of any description- Forget it.
This is despite the fact that some Club Finals have a bigger attendance than many NI International matches.
Also if an Ulster Championship match in Clones has 35,000 at it, I would safely say that the majority of Irish League soccer clubs would need to play 50 games before they would get a total attendance of 35,000!
But as far as the BBC is concerned Newry Town v Distillery is just as important as Down v Armagh.
Fair play Jerome, this shit needs to be exposed!
No way....the lower reaches of the Irish League are waaaay more important than the Championship
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 27, 2010, 03:00:13 PM
Good luck to him, I see he is representing himself which will not be easy. I am sure he has had advice aplenty from a few people in the legal profession though.
I'm a little worried about this as well. I'm sure hes capable, but doesnt have the experience. The beeb will be well backed. I'm sure there would have been quite a few legalites around who would have leant him a hand.
Barrister Joe Brolly taking on the BBC would have been better than Oj Simpsons trial.
Quote from: haranguerer on April 27, 2010, 04:56:03 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 27, 2010, 03:00:13 PM
Good luck to him, I see he is representing himself which will not be easy. I am sure he has had advice aplenty from a few people in the legal profession though.
I'm a little worried about this as well. I'm sure hes capable, but doesnt have the experience. The beeb will be well backed. I'm sure there would have been quite a few legalites around who would have leant him a hand.
Barrister Joe Brolly taking on the BBC would have been better than Oj Simpsons trial.
Imagine the headlines:
Auntie beaten by Brolly!
Quote from: Cde on April 27, 2010, 04:53:03 PM
14,900 against Poland WC qualifier March 2009 and Poland would have had a good few supporters there too
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/match/3073892
Almost as many as the Down Armagh game in Pairc Esler. I wonder which game would be given prominence by the BBC?
Quote from: haranguerer on April 27, 2010, 04:56:03 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 27, 2010, 03:00:13 PM
Good luck to him, I see he is representing himself which will not be easy. I am sure he has had advice aplenty from a few people in the legal profession though.
I'm a little worried about this as well. I'm sure hes capable, but doesnt have the experience. The beeb will be well backed. I'm sure there would have been quite a few legalites around who would have leant him a hand.
Barrister Joe Brolly taking on the BBC would have been better than Oj Simpsons trial.
"Hould on Sir!" :P
Quote from: Cde on April 27, 2010, 04:53:03 PM
14,900 against Poland WC qualifier March 2009 and Poland would have had a good few supporters there too
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/match/3073892
And then the few hundred they kicked the crap out of on the way to it
Good Luck Jerome!
Don't be scared to call in favours with Brolly, am sure he would love it ;)
Best of luck Jerome, i thought he did a good job.
If the reason he was sacked was for something he said on here, someone must of told his bosses what username and what post he made, and then they got him to admit as how else did they prove it...thats very low act imo.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 27, 2010, 05:40:51 PM
Best of luck Jerome, i thought he did a good job.
If the reason he was sacked was for something he said on here, someone must of told his bosses what username and what post he made, and then they got him to admit as how else did they prove it...thats very low act imo.
You can admit nothing, deny everything and they will stil get him if he used his work computer to send out messages on their time, this is probably a no win case if this is in fact what he did, I wonder however if they had spoken to him in the past about using the internet for other than work related needs, that said in his line of work that would be very broad.
Good luck to him, he is of course 100% correct but proving it will be tough, especially when he is representing himself, that is one very, very bad decision if true.
For Facebook users
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=122143851132685&ref=mf&v=info#!/group.php?gid=122143851132685&v=wall&ref=mf
Good luck Jerome!
Show them up!
About time something was done about this. Jerome you have the support of the Ulster GAA family.
this is all news to me, i thought Jerome left of his own accord to persue a new career. now it transpires that he got dismissed for trying to highlight what we've all known for years the BBC are bigots. we each could fill the pages of this site with numerous examples of how they've shortchanged Gaels, but won't hesitate to prosecute for non payment of the despicable licence fee. i can only hope that Jerome is able to prove in law what is blindingly obvious and that he is able to forge a new career reporting the sport he loves.
its hardly likely but maybe the ulster council will release a statement on behalf of Gaels that are forced to pay the bigots for media coverage we don't get, maybe our licence fee could paid to tnag and be used to enhance their coverage. >:(
Best of luck to Jerome, though I don't fancy his chances going up against such a juggernaut.
BBC NI sports coverage is unashamedly lop-sided. Probably made worse because Final Score kicks in to ruin a Saturday evening when they are just about to show the Premiership table.
We are then treated a lengthy medley of footballing bloopers at various tumbleweed strewn venues with more Union Jacks than fans in them.
You'll have goalkeepers fresh-airing at dribbly back passes, defenders slicing a clearance in the top corner of their own goal from 30 yards and goals scored from a throw in via deflections off 2 posts, 3 backs of heads and 4 arses!
The BBC of sport is well taken off here by the Apres Match folks ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kN15IZGeMg
I hope Jerome wins his unfair dismissal case but can't see things improve for the GAA on the BBC. They'll just be more carefull in future.
Going to buck the trend a wee bit here and defend the BBC. Last year, the BBC showed every Ulster Championship game bar one. They even televised the Cavan/Fermanagh slugfest and sure everyone knows Fermanagh is just water and Cavan's not even part of the sick counties. I think in the calendar year they showed one live soccer game from the Irish league - the Cup final. Throw in half a dozen NI games to that.
People talk about the BBC not showing club games within counties during the year. When on earth has RTE shown any interest in the club game from March til October? RTE's coverage of the NFL was relatively crap. The BBC actually showed clips on a Monday from a few of the second division games. The soccer v GAA Saturday coverage is a bit of an anomaly as what GAA can be shown at 5pm on a Saturday? In terms of the daily 6.30pm news, the soccer did seem to get first billing from Monday-Wed with the GAA perhaps forcing its way to the top of the news values the Thurs and Fri before a big game. That did grate a bit.
In terms of Jerome's case, a lot of it doesn't really make any sense. He mentions the Catholic/Irish oppression. Austin O'Callaghan, Thomas Niblock, Thomas Kane etc sort of negates that. Outside of sport I know personally of two high profile BBC correspondants from republican West Belfast who appear to be thriving career wise.
Jerome did a lot for the GAA on the BBC and kept batting away at the hatches when it was a rarity to get anthing on it and he truly deserves the moniker Mr GAA of the BBC. We owe him that. He may/must have experience some injustice from the hierarchy for him to take his case this far. Although it was probably inadvisable of him to take the case himself, I'd doubt if he could get anyone else to do it anyway. One good thing that could come out of this is that their GAA coverage may receive another boost out of embarrassment.
On a personal level, and it's just an honest appraisal of the two, I find O'Callaghan's presenting style and skills in a different league to Jerome. Quinn had a habit of reading out banal emails on who had the nicest jersies or best looking player to a rather bemused McHugh and Burns whilst failing to keep tabs on his obvious Tyrone bias. O'Callaghan comes across as a much shrewder judge of a game and can ask searching questions of the panel. If the GAA were to get a much more in depth coverage as they did last year, in my opinion, O'Callaghan deserved the gig.
Again, on a personal level, I couldn't give a fiddlers about the British Broadcasting Corporation and their coverage of the GAA. I'll always use RTE (although I believe that's not an option for everyone) with the BBC as a back up if their game is more interesting. I don't pay me licence fee for the GAA coverage.
Quote from: ONeill on April 27, 2010, 08:43:31 PM
On a personal level, and it's just an honest appraisal of the two, I find O'Callaghan's presenting style and skills in a different league to Jerome. Quinn had a habit of reading out banal emails on who had the nicest jersies or best looking player to a rather bemused McHugh and Burns whilst failing to keep tabs on his obvious Tyrone bias. O'Callaghan comes across as a much shrewder judge of a game and can ask searching questions of the panel. If the GAA were to get a much more in depth coverage as they did last year, in my opinion, O'Callaghan deserved the gig.
I would have to agree with O'Neill. Although I respect Jerome for the stand he is taking, he is not a good presenter and the shows he was involved in often made difficult viewing. He is an excellent, indeed exceptional journalist and writer, but is in no way an accomplished presenter. In fact there are very few sports presenters on BBC NI who could be classed as competent or easy to listen to.
yes, Jerome definitely has a lot to offer in terms of journalism - he was tireless in his online stuff and his latest venture is a must.
Guys
This enraged me when i watched the BBC's coverage of this years Hogan Final.
Post interview with the Captain Niall McParland, not one score or passage of play was shown by the network, but they did show "fireworks" being thrown onto the pitch and young lads getting pushed to the ground by garda officers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/8613662.stm
Unbelievable and to be honest Austin O Callaghan should be ashamed of himself to report such a trivial matter that was mis handled by over zealous croke park officials making their mark that nobody was to enter the field after the game....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/8613662.stm
Quote from: greygoose on April 27, 2010, 09:04:05 PM
Guys
This enraged me when i watched the BBC's coverage of this years Hogan Final.
Post interview with the Captain Niall McParland, not one score or passage of play was shown by the network, but they did show "fireworks" being thrown onto the pitch and young lads getting pushed to the ground by garda officers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/8613662.stm
Unbelievable and to be honest Austin O Callaghan should be ashamed of himself to report such a trivial matter that was mis handled by over zealous croke park officials making their mark that nobody was to enter the field after the game....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/8613662.stm
Have you checked who had the rights to the match coverage?
The BBC showed regular (albeit v brief) coverage of the MacRory games on a Sat afternoon and the entire final live. I'm not sure of the answer here, but were the Munster, Connaught and Leinster finals shown live on RTE?
God luck Jerome.
Quote from: hardstation on April 27, 2010, 09:34:09 PM
Shocking misuse of new/knew before the edit.
Quote
This Board has been monitored for a long time by the BBC Sports dept, my own posts where I have criticised BBC sports coverage have been quoted back to me by a BBC employee.
Typical Glenariff.
To be fair TYP, almost every media body of note would have someone somewhere on their payroll looking closely at this board, mostly for info. Sure the Antrim Chairman is an addict.
"and attempts to manipulate voting to stop a GAA player winning the 2008 Sports Personality of the Year award."
What did the BBC do to attempt to manipulate the vote?
Quote from: ONeill on April 27, 2010, 09:37:40 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 27, 2010, 09:34:09 PM
Shocking misuse of new/knew before the edit.
Quote
This Board has been monitored for a long time by the BBC Sports dept, my own posts where I have criticised BBC sports coverage have been quoted back to me by a BBC employee.
Typical Glenariff.
To be fair TYP, almost every media body of note would have someone somewhere on their payroll looking closely at this board, mostly for info. Sure the Antrim Chairman is an addict.
I don't believe it!!!!
its crazy to think that a sports journalist can't use the internet forums to check on information sure we speak the truth here ;D ;D
obviously I'll have to re tune my telly to the BBC that you guys are watching, i see the arseholes who presented fellas who don't drink with bottles of garage wine instead of motm trophies (left in the dressing room in clones) i listen to the bigots who spent two days butchering the gaa over a proddy fermanagh hurler (name?) who alledged sectarian abuse but went to the media instead of his own county board. but good old auntie beeb failed to mention that the problem was sorted and that infact the player was the guest of honour at an all irl hurling final and sat next to the president of the gaa at that match. the BBC that i get lets nelson mccausland slander the gaa and then slip off before anyone can confront him yet on the same programme (Nolan) Barry mcelduff is hung out to dry by the "IRA at play brigade" talking shite about sport on sunday etc etc...
heres an example, during the fermanagh hurler thing on talkback i text-ed and phoned the programme about 10 times to say that all the guy had to do was tell anyone on the county board even the fella who makes the tea. sectarian bigotry or abuse has no place in the gaa this would be dealt with swiftly, "oh i'll pass that on" was all i could get. meanwhile all the shiteheads were on "we should cut their (gaa) grants" etc... It was obvious there was a political agenda so i texted "my name is billy i play gaa sometimes i get called names but i dont mind" within seconds my phone rang "hello billy this is talkback would you like to talk about the names your being called" i said that i didnt care and that i loved gaa. she continued to press me you need to tell someone etc... then i told her that infact i sat on the county board and that i had caught her and the bbc trying to get people to bad mouth the assoc she immediately hung up. this is the bbc that i get for £120/annum >:( >:( ??? ???
Jerome, if you are logged in and reading through the messages, good luck in winning your case
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2010, 09:46:36 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 27, 2010, 09:37:40 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 27, 2010, 09:34:09 PM
Shocking misuse of new/knew before the edit.
Quote
This Board has been monitored for a long time by the BBC Sports dept, my own posts where I have criticised BBC sports coverage have been quoted back to me by a BBC employee.
Typical Glenariff.
To be fair TYP, almost every media body of note would have someone somewhere on their payroll looking closely at this board, mostly for info. Sure the Antrim Chairman is an addict.
I don't believe it!!!!
its crazy to think that a sports journalist can't use the internet forums to check on information sure we speak the truth here ;D ;D
Sorry, just to clear that up. A gaaboard addict.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kN15IZGeMg. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kN15IZGeMg.) Love it, thats really good.
Best of luck to JQ with his case but can't avoid feeling he's on a hiding to nothing but he no doubt has calculated that the publicity will do his future with the GA faithful no harm at all.
Have to agree with O'Neill that one positive maybe that the case will embarrass the BEEB's paltry and disproportionate GA coverage - only a little though mind.
Bye the way. Anyone know what was Jerome's original club? I know he's from Omagh, was he 'Mr GAA' at St Enda's or did that come later?
Quote from: lawnseed on April 27, 2010, 09:47:56 PM
heres an example, during the fermanagh hurler thing on talkback i text-ed and phoned the programme about 10 times to say that all the guy had to do was tell anyone on the county board even the fella who makes the tea. sectarian bigotry or abuse has no place in the gaa this would be dealt with swiftly, "oh i'll pass that on" was all i could get. meanwhile all the shiteheads were on "we should cut their (gaa) grants" etc... It was obvious there was a political agenda so i texted "my name is billy i play gaa sometimes i get called names but i dont mind" within seconds my phone rang "hello billy this is talkback would you like to talk about the names your being called" i said that i didnt care and that i loved gaa. she continued to press me you need to tell someone etc... then i told her that infact i sat on the county board and that i had caught her and the bbc trying to get people to bad mouth the assoc she immediately hung up. this is the bbc that i get for £120/annum >:( >:( ??? ???
To be honest, your point (albeit accurate) is so boring that I'd have put the phone down on you too. There's the need to chase ratings you know and a cross-dresser from Greencastle who won't get a game for the minors is much more interesting than a level headed point about proper procedure. That's the nature of the beast I'm afraid the world over.
Would this add weight to the idea that this board should become members only?
I for one would be all for it.
this discussion is one of the reasons that the first test in the international rules should have been played in casement, i would dearly love to see the bigot broadcast corporation squirm as they try to avoid covering the match and the inevitable build up to the game. in the 06 test they made no mention of the series at all until i rang them to see if there were any other 60 or 70 thousand crowd matches on at the time. in the next sports bulletin they reported that an Irish player had been sited end of.. no wonder jq couldn't hold in.. i thought there were laws protecting whistle blowers (not refs) like nurses etc who report injustice
i'm only saying but...
- Mark Siders
- Thomas kane
- Thomas Biblock
- wee austin
- Lynette 'ye girl ye' Duncan, or whatever
hardly in the minority at the BBC?
i'd be more pissed off for Jerome if he was brilliant...
the point is PUBLIC SERVICE BROADCASTING the content of the programming should reflect public interest. right in the middle of the championship last year one of the sports featured on bbc radio was 'wife carrying' also 'tiddlywinks' in community centre in newtownards the gaa never got a mention. our sport/culture comes after schoolgirl hockey in the lineup. when they say football they mean soccer... the whole thing stinks and if Jerome can get on without them hes better off. the guy did well to stick them as long as he did, i hope he wins and does the rounds late late, Matt cooper, newstalk and on and on its time these crowd were held up to the light >:(
There are two sides to every story.Too many people here are blinded by the fact that Jerome is a "GAA man". As indeed are / were Sean Quinn, Gerry McCarville and Michael Feeney. Few, if any, of us are in possession of the full facts. Still it doesn't stop some setting themselves up as the spokesperson for the gaaboard / all Gaels etc. Wise up. None of you speak for me. Likewise for every cry of "Foul" on this thread here, there are twenty you could drive a coach and horses through. The BBC has to account for every penny and if the viewing figures don't add up, then it won't be shown.
Yes, we can give credit for much of the enhanced GAA coverage on the BBC to Jerome Quinn, but much of his behaviour can be considered at best ill-advised, at worst idiotic. For example, the venture to Windsor in his Tyrone top and his posts here.
In addition we can all point to occasions when his parochialism ensured he was unable to do his job impartially. For example, his behaviour when Derry saw off his beloved Tyrone in the 2001 All-Ireland quarter final was the absolute nadir of his presenting career. Having witnessed his beloved Peter received a well-merited, if much belated, red card, you could see that he was about to burst into tears.
The term 'loose cannon' has been bandied about for years with regards to Jerome and this may be coming back to haunt him. Austin O'Callaghan and Sidebottom (for all his multitude of faults) are immeasureably more professional performers than Jerome Quinn.
If Jerome does win his case, excellent. It proves a bias we already know is there. But it is also telling that few (I mean none) of his former colleagues will raise their heads above the parapet to support him.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/kb7j9f.jpg)
sure it even says there, he thought of himself as british. dont see what the fuss is about
And here he is at a NI match, poor man doesnt know what he is
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1525000/images/_1528720_jerome300.jpg)
Alternate view to Jerome's action:
QuoteThe acronym 'MOPE' is well known in Northern Ireland. For the uninitiated, it stands for 'Most Oppressed People Ever' and both 'communities' here regularly vie for the title. Though, even by our tortured standards, this story just about takes the jammy dodger!
Ex BBC Northern Ireland sports presenter, Jerome Quinn, has taken his former bosses to a fair employment tribunal, alleging 'religious and racial harassment' because he is Irish (yep only in Ireland eh?). In addition he claims that the Corporation favours 'Protestant supported sports', like .... the North West 200!
Fans of the Northern Ireland football team will remember that Quinn has a history of taking offence. In 2001 he decided to wear a Tyrone Gaelic football jersey to a home match against Iceland at Windsor Park. Unfortunately the resultant article is no longer online, but some feedback still survives thanks to the BBC website's archive.
Quinn obviously thought that he would provoke a reaction, but alas no-one said boo to him at the game. He decided to construe silence as oppression anyway and alleged that Northern Ireland supporters were giving him the cold shoulder because he was the 'fella who commentated on the GAA'.
So, at least one group of sports' fans will not be surprised to find Quinn in front of a tribunal alleging that "less favourable treatment than if I was Protestant, British and not associated with the GAA" had led the BBC to replace him with, erm, 'Orange' Austin O'Callaghan from Sligo.
For the record, the Beeb sacked Quinn for using its computers to post anonymous criticism of his employer on GAA websites. Whoops!
http://threethousandversts.blogspot.com/2010/04/jerome-quinn-launches-record-attempt.html
saffron please re read your post what are you trying to say either the fella was discriminated against or he was'nt. i would relate his posts here to wanting to mix and share views with people of a similar interests, posters here have been blasting the beeb with both barrels since this forum started and before that in the irish news of the fence, and anywhere they can air their views. i once work in a government job where i was the only "catholic" in the place, have you ever struggled to express your culture, it cant have been easy listening to shite about soccer matches with dubbed on cheering, or watching sportsperson oty being rigged. this guys taking on golith, hes a true gael many a man in his position would have took it up the a.. and said nothin. laochra gael jerome quinn
Did Jerome really write that Windsor Park piece for the BBC? Wow.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 27, 2010, 11:27:13 PM
There are two sides to every story.Too many people here are blinded by the fact that Jerome is a "GAA man". As indeed are / were Sean Quinn, Gerry McCarville and Michael Feeney. Few, if any, of us are in possession of the full facts. Still it doesn't stop some setting themselves up as the spokesperson for the gaaboard / all Gaels etc. Wise up. None of you speak for me. Likewise for every cry of "Foul" on this thread here, there are twenty you could drive a coach and horses through. The BBC has to account for every penny and if the viewing figures don't add up, then it won't be shown.
Yes, we can give credit for much of the enhanced GAA coverage on the BBC to Jerome Quinn, but much of his behaviour can be considered at best ill-advised, at worst idiotic. For example, the venture to Windsor in his Tyrone top and his posts here.
In addition we can all point to occasions when his parochialism ensured he was unable to do his job impartially. For example, his behaviour when Derry saw off his beloved Tyrone in the 2001 All-Ireland quarter final was the absolute nadir of his presenting career. Having witnessed his beloved Peter received a well-merited, if much belated, red card, you could see that he was about to burst into tears.
The term 'loose cannon' has been bandied about for years with regards to Jerome and this may be coming back to haunt him. Austin O'Callaghan and Sidebottom (for all his multitude of faults) are immeasureably more professional performers than Jerome Quinn.
If Jerome does win his case, excellent. It proves a bias we already know is there. But it is also telling that few (I mean none) of his former colleagues will raise their heads above the parapet to support him.
Are you sure about that? They are a public service broadcaster, with mandate for quality etc.. if they wanted viewing figures they could be showing various reality TV shows instead of Songs of Praise etc.
Regarding posters who made comparisons about other presenters from a Catholic background, it would seem Jerome was there 15 some years. Perhaps a glass ceiling type effect?
Did Jerome post the anti-BBC comments under the name everyone knew him under, or under a different alias?
In his threads he was almost always addressed with his real name as opposed to his moniker.
QuoteThe Championship - Wednesday at 11.20pm and Thursday at 7.00pm.
Can't remember this show at all!
The plot to deprive Canavan of his Brit award
'Jackie Fullerton's role'
JQ claimed Mr Fullerton had liaised with his BBC boss to ensure a judging panel for the BBC Sports Personality of the Year Awards in 2008 would not favour a GAA winner.
In his role as organiser of the judging panel for the awards, Mr Quinn said he had a meeting with Mr Fullerton in which he "made it very clear that GAA should not have a chance of winning against someone who had won a medal at the Olympics or a Ryder Cup tournament." Mr Quinn alleged that he received an email soon after from his sports editor to enquire about the judging panel and make a change to the panel that would "lessen the chances of the GAA person winning the award".
Mr Quinn, who was revealed to have claimed Job Seeker's Allowance at one stage since being dismissed, relating to how the "GAA suffered on a daily basis" in terms of its coverage on BBC radio and television.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/sacked-bbc-presenter-jerome-quinn-tells-of-lsquojackie-fullertonrsquos-rolersquo-14783487.html#ixzz0mLmWr5Qp
'He added that he had been made aware of a rumour in January this year blaming him for endangering the personal safety of his former boss after his picture was posted on a GAA forum.'
'Mr Quinn denied having anything to do with the picture and said subsequent discussion on the matter within the BBC may have unfairly formed part of the reasons for his dismissal'.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/sacked-bbc-presenter-jerome-quinn-tells-of-lsquojackie-fullertonrsquos-rolersquo-14783487.html#ixzz0mLlzyZyH (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/sacked-bbc-presenter-jerome-quinn-tells-of-lsquojackie-fullertonrsquos-rolersquo-14783487.html#ixzz0mLlzyZyH)
Quote from: ONeill on April 27, 2010, 08:43:31 PM
Going to buck the trend a wee bit here and defend the BBC. Last year, the BBC showed every Ulster Championship game bar one. They even televised the Cavan/Fermanagh slugfest and sure everyone knows Fermanagh is just water and Cavan's not even part of the sick counties. I think in the calendar year they showed one live soccer game from the Irish league - the Cup final. Throw in half a dozen NI games to that.
People talk about the BBC not showing club games within counties during the year. When on earth has RTE shown any interest in the club game from March til October? RTE's coverage of the NFL was relatively crap. The BBC actually showed clips on a Monday from a few of the second division games. The soccer v GAA Saturday coverage is a bit of an anomaly as what GAA can be shown at 5pm on a Saturday? In terms of the daily 6.30pm news, the soccer did seem to get first billing from Monday-Wed with the GAA perhaps forcing its way to the top of the news values the Thurs and Fri before a big game. That did grate a bit.
In terms of Jerome's case, a lot of it doesn't really make any sense. He mentions the Catholic/Irish oppression. Austin O'Callaghan, Thomas Niblock, Thomas Kane etc sort of negates that. Outside of sport I know personally of two high profile BBC correspondants from republican West Belfast who appear to be thriving career wise.
Jerome did a lot for the GAA on the BBC and kept batting away at the hatches when it was a rarity to get anthing on it and he truly deserves the moniker Mr GAA of the BBC. We owe him that. He may/must have experience some injustice from the hierarchy for him to take his case this far. Although it was probably inadvisable of him to take the case himself, I'd doubt if he could get anyone else to do it anyway. One good thing that could come out of this is that their GAA coverage may receive another boost out of embarrassment.
On a personal level, and it's just an honest appraisal of the two, I find O'Callaghan's presenting style and skills in a different league to Jerome. Quinn had a habit of reading out banal emails on who had the nicest jersies or best looking player to a rather bemused McHugh and Burns whilst failing to keep tabs on his obvious Tyrone bias. O'Callaghan comes across as a much shrewder judge of a game and can ask searching questions of the panel. If the GAA were to get a much more in depth coverage as they did last year, in my opinion, O'Callaghan deserved the gig.
Again, on a personal level, I couldn't give a fiddlers about the British Broadcasting Corporation and their coverage of the GAA. I'll always use RTE (although I believe that's not an option for everyone) with the BBC as a back up if their game is more interesting. I don't pay me licence fee for the GAA coverage.
Have to say I agree with a lot of your points O Neill albeit with the caveat that my reason for watching RTE rather than the beeb is that I cant abide the utterances of that little Spillane wannabe Mc Hugh!
Anyway, back to the knittin. Much as I support Jerome's stance, I cant help but think, his own ego has led him to the point of self destruction. Firstly, who in the 21st century uses their workplace IT equipment maliciously or even mischeviously? Surely to Jesus he knew it could be monitored? Nobody needed to 'Grass him up' as has been alleged. He shot himself in the f#ckin a#se ::) Did he think he was untouchable? :-\ Furthermore, in an era when amateur players are engaging the services of barristers to take on amateur disciplinary committees, such is the magnitude of spin and technicalities, he actually is misguided enough to try to prosecute something as serious as an unfair dismissal case upon an organisation with a gargantuan legal department, without representation? There are no words to describe the folly :-[ Where in the name of jesus is his wit???????
I am not trying to be demeaning to the guy, I respect his stance and would love to see him win. However, when the basic reason for dismissal has been conceded and apologised for, for Christ sake, what is he thinkin? The £500 an Hour beeb barristers will tear him a new a##hole.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 27, 2010, 11:27:13 PM
There are two sides to every story.Too many people here are blinded by the fact that Jerome is a "GAA man". As indeed are / were Sean Quinn, Gerry McCarville and Michael Feeney.
Maybe you'd elaborate on that for us
Before everyone jumps on the O'Neill bandwagon, let's not forget that this great championship coverage he talks about was given to the BBC, giftwrapped, free of charge by RTE and TV3. The argument about the BBC chasing viewing figures is also spurious. The BBCs public service broadcasting remit is supposed to take priority over any commercial concerns - although I would like to know why the BBC are so protective of the amount of money they spend on GAA in comparison to other sports. I have had a number of FOI requests on the issue refused and I know others on this Board have as well. As for people trying to play up the 'professionalism' of Sidebottom and Kane - don't make me laugh! O'Callaghan granted has a bit of talent but when did this become a contest between him and Jerome and who has decided there can only be one prominent taig on BBCNI?
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 27, 2010, 11:27:13 PM
The BBC has to account for every penny and if the viewing figures don't add up, then it won't be shown.
Yes, we can give credit for much of the enhanced GAA coverage on the BBC to Jerome Quinn, but much of his behaviour can be considered at best ill-advised, at worst idiotic. For example, the venture to Windsor in his Tyrone top and his posts here.
If Jerome does win his case, excellent. It proves a bias we already know is there. But it is also telling that few (I mean none) of his former colleagues will raise their heads above the parapet to support him.
Personally I think he has very little chance of winning the case. I also think he probably knows this (hence the self representation to save legal fees), but feels the publicity surrounding it will result in some good. Fair play to him for that.
I disagree with the two points above though. Firstly with regard to the viewing figures: await the blanket coverage of the NW200 - I seriously doubt though, it gets higher viewing figures than championship football. Its more its treatment in sports bulletins which reflect the bias better however. How many play/watch hockey, for eg in NI? Or even rugby? Yet both get better news coverage than GAA matches. This is important too, for the promotion of the sport, and in encouraging kids to play it: anyone watching the sport who sees it listed after the AIL hockey results is perfectly entitled to assume its a pretty insignificant sport not worth bothering with.
With regard to former colleagues supporting him: are turkeys going to vote for christmas?
I always thought Jackie fullerton was the ultimate blazer. Red face, beer belly, club ties, the works.
I am very surprised to hear that news about Jerome Quinn. Why would he be caught out on something as basic as internet posts? It sounds crazy.
Interesting that Orlando Figes, a leading historian was also caught out recently posting damning criticisms of his rivals' work on amazon.co.uk
Description by "Historian" of Molotov's Magic Lantern, by Rachel Polonsky:
"This is the sort of book that makes you wonder why it was ever published ... Her writing is so dense and pretentious, itself so tangled in literary allusions, that it is hard to follow or enjoy."
"Historian" described Robert Service's 2008 work Comrades, a world history of communism, as 'rubbish':
"This is an awful book. It is very poorly written and dull to read ... it has no insights to make it worth the bother of ploughing through its dreadful prose."
The same reviewer found one writer's work rather more to their liking. Orlando Figes's 2008 The Whisperers was "beautiful and necessary":
"A fascinating book about the interior lives of ordinary Russians ... it tells us more about the Soviet system than any other book I know. Beautifully written, it is a rich and deeply moving history, which leaves the reader awed, humbled, yet uplifted ... Figes visits their ordeals with enormous compassion, and he brings their history to life with his superb story-telling skills. I hope he writes for ever."
Quote from: seafoid on April 28, 2010, 09:04:59 AM
I always thought Jackie fullerton was the ultimate blazer. Red face, beer belly, club ties, the works.
I am very surprised to hear that news about Jerome Quinn. Why would he be caught out on something as basic as internet posts? It sounds crazy.
Interesting that Orlando Figes, a leading historian was also caught out recently posting damning criticisms of his rivals' work on amazon.co.uk
Description by "Historian" of Molotov's Magic Lantern, by Rachel Polonsky:
"This is the sort of book that makes you wonder why it was ever published ... Her writing is so dense and pretentious, itself so tangled in literary allusions, that it is hard to follow or enjoy."
"Historian" described Robert Service's 2008 work Comrades, a world history of communism, as 'rubbish':
"This is an awful book. It is very poorly written and dull to read ... it has no insights to make it worth the bother of ploughing through its dreadful prose."
The same reviewer found one writer's work rather more to their liking. Orlando Figes's 2008 The Whisperers was "beautiful and necessary":
"A fascinating book about the interior lives of ordinary Russians ... it tells us more about the Soviet system than any other book I know. Beautifully written, it is a rich and deeply moving history, which leaves the reader awed, humbled, yet uplifted ... Figes visits their ordeals with enormous compassion, and he brings their history to life with his superb story-telling skills. I hope he writes for ever."
Thinnk that might have been Figes' wife who posted the reviews (or was that a smokescreen). Anyway back to the point. Jerome is representing himself either 'cause he cannot afford legal representation, or he knows he's going to lose and just wants to rattle a few cages or no one will represent him since he certain to lose. Jerome has admitted using BBC computers during work time to criticise the BBC (not too) anonymously on internet forums. That will not elicit much sympathy from a tribunal. The rest, while interesting is incidental.
Though I will concede that the BBC and UTV's fascination with and unjustified coverage of motor cycling is hard to explain. I note there is a programme of highlights of the "Cookstown 100" on soon. What's that all about then??
PS being very slightly dyslexic every time I look at the title of this thread I see "Jerome Outed". You can imagine my disappointment....
Lads start showing your support
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=575969953#!/group.php?gid=122143851132685
I actually don't know whether or not Jerome will lose the case because at the end of the day when it comes to a tribunal like this one of the main factors is whether or not due process was followed in sacking him. He admits that he posted the criticism but is that a sackable offence and if it was was he provided with the proper redress procedure. Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of what he may have done the biggest factor here is that he is getting air time and has a fair bit of popular GAA support. I wish him all the best as he obviously believes in what he is doing, enough so to risk losing his job.
Quote from: BerfArmagh on April 28, 2010, 09:52:02 AM
Lads start showing your support
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=575969953#!/group.php?gid=122143851132685
Berf that links not working chief
Quote from: BerfArmagh on April 28, 2010, 09:52:02 AM
Lads start showing your support
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=575969953#!/group.php?gid=122143851132685
to barry kelly?
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on April 28, 2010, 09:39:37 AM
Think that might have been Figes' wife who posted the reviews (or was that a smokescreen). [/quote]
Figes admitted it was him. What a moron. He cited "stress".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/apr/23/figes-shameful-admission
Which internet forum did JQ post on ? I know that sometimes the thread might feel more important than anything else but how could it be worth a livelihood? He must have been in a very strange state of mind. How was it found out that he was the culprit?
Quote from: seafoid on April 28, 2010, 09:04:59 AM
Why would he be caught out on something as basic as internet posts? It sounds crazy.
I'm curious about these posts as well. As I remember his contributions 99% of them were promoting the BBC coverage. I think the real issue here is freedom of expression - are the BBC really saying that their employees aren't allowed to use Internet forums?
Also I don't know about this using the Internet on 'the bosses time' argument. I doubt very much he was on a 9-5 contract, but more likely had to work until the job was done, so it is for him to decide when he was working on 'the bosses time'.
QuoteJQ claimed Mr Fullerton had liaised with his BBC boss to ensure a judging panel for the BBC Sports Personality of the Year Awards in 2008 would not favour a GAA winner.
In his role as organiser of the judging panel for the awards, Mr Quinn said he had a meeting with Mr Fullerton in which he "made it very clear that GAA should not have a chance of winning against someone who had won a medal at the Olympics or a Ryder Cup tournament." Mr Quinn alleged that he received an email soon after from his sports editor to enquire about the judging panel and make a change to the panel that would "lessen the chances of the GAA person winning the award".
This puts a completely different slant on proceedings. If such an e mail (or copy) still exists it proves institutional bias. In regard of his own position, the BBC will have a multitude of potential get out of jail free cards, however if there is evidence brought to light of active coverage bias and individuals being coerced to deliberatley not cover GAA items it will leave the BBC with a lot of egg on its face.
Who won the BBC NI sportsperson of the year in 2008?
I would have assumed Sean Cavanagh, but it mustn't have been or Jerome would not be raising the issue.
Quote from: Feckitt on April 28, 2010, 10:11:19 AM
Who won the BBC NI sportsperson of the year in 2008?
I would have assumed Sean Cavanagh, but it mustn't have been or Jerome would not be raising the issue.
Valerie Orr, captain of Pegasus over 40's third XI
2004 Margaret Johnston Lawn bowls
2005 David Healy Association football
2006 Darren Clarke Golf
2007 David Healy Association football
I think he had a point but then Sean Cavanagh won in 2008
It was Cavanagh:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/7780207.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/7780207.stm)
The judges were:
"They included BBC representatives Shane Glynn (Editor Sport), Mike Edgar (Head of Entertainment), Jerome Quinn, Margaret O'Hare and Jim Stokes, plus Dr Aiden Hamill, former member of NI Sports Council and Trish McFarland, Senior Lecturer in Sports Studies at the UUJ."
Actually you are wrong it was Crawford McCrae who represented Great Britain Volleyball team in the Commonwealth games, coming in 8th place which is a new record for a Northern Ireland male volleyballer. He was granted a civic reception by Lisburn District council and even got to meet legendary British Olympian Dame Mary Peters.
A good choice all round, couldn't let the award go to some crowd of separatists who do not even play their finals within the UK.
I saw somewhere that JQ said the relationship started to deteriorate around 4 years ago. It must have been some disgruntled Armagh superior who was jealous of Tyrone's second all-Ireland. When Tyrone won their third presumably all hell broke loose.
Quote from: seafoid on April 28, 2010, 10:43:40 AM
I saw somewhere that JQ said the relationship started to deteriorate around 4 years ago. It must have been some disgruntled Armagh superior who was jealous of Tyrone's second all-Ireland. When Tyrone won their third presumably all hell broke loose.
I think four years ago was when the BBC dropped the live Championship coverage - only a year or two after they picked up load of awards for the same coverage.
by and large a good oul debate chaps; still in the jerome corner, i think, but some good points raised, esp by o'neill.
but i keep coming back to one point, that i think yous have all missed..
Jerome's a ginger.
Should this affect things? If so, in what way?
Some interesting views on this thread, with a few people having jumped the fence:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=5435.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=5435.0)
Quote from: Ulick on April 28, 2010, 10:26:37 AM
It was Cavanagh:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/7780207.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/7780207.stm)
The judges were:
"They included BBC representatives Shane Glynn (Editor Sport), Mike Edgar (Head of Entertainment), Jerome Quinn, Margaret O'Hare and Jim Stokes, plus Dr Aiden Hamill, former member of NI Sports Council and Trish McFarland, Senior Lecturer in Sports Studies at the UUJ."
note Sean's quote from the same article
"Picking up the award, Sean said: "When you are being compared with recent winners like Darren Clarke and David Healy, it speaks volumes about how far Gaelic games have come in recent years."
Very diplomatic, Sean ;)
Was interested in how this Glynn fella would think that his life would be in danger if his photo appeared online, so I Googled him in 'Google Images' and he certainly not camera shy:
Here he is promoting some prestigious soccer tournament which receives-wall-to wall coverage on BBCNI (childrens Milk Cup competition):
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/milkcup/img/about/faces.jpg)
Here he is again promoting childrens Rugby:
(http://www.ulsterrugby.com/images/news/Commentator-Comp.jpg)
And again at a some bike race which rarely gets a mention on BBCNI (as if):
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/nw200/bbc_team_launch.jpg)
And again, at the bike race:
(http://www.northwest200.org/images/sce/news-articles/NW-200-PRESS-CONF-57.jpg)
Strangely there's not one photo of him at a GAA event. Of course though he may think his life would be in danger by attending such events or consorting with such people?
Quote from: Ulick on April 28, 2010, 11:12:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 28, 2010, 10:43:40 AM
I saw somewhere that JQ said the relationship started to deteriorate around 4 years ago. It must have been some disgruntled Armagh superior who was jealous of Tyrone's second all-Ireland. When Tyrone won their third presumably all hell broke loose.
I think four years ago was when the BBC dropped the live Championship coverage - only a year or two after they picked up load of awards for the same coverage.
Also coinciding with Glynn getting his feet under the table.
Quote from: tyssam5 on April 28, 2010, 12:46:09 AM
Are you sure about that? They are a public service broadcaster, with mandate for quality etc.. if they wanted viewing figures they could be showing various reality TV shows instead of Songs of Praise etc.
In this case yes. Sport is outside any remit in terms of quality etc., see ONeill's point re. Cavan vs. Fermanagh. I'm told that the viewing figures for Ulster championship matches didn't justify the money being spent for the rights. The BBC head office in Britain may have had some input into this decision though.
Quote from: tyssam5 on April 28, 2010, 12:46:09 AM
Regarding posters who made comparisons about other presenters from a Catholic background, it would seem Jerome was there 15 some years. Perhaps a glass ceiling type effect?
Possibly, I'll ask former BBC Controller for NI (sic) Pat Loughrey. IMO any glass ceiling hit was due to ability.
Quote
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 27, 2010, 11:27:13 PM
There are two sides to every story.Too many people here are blinded by the fact that Jerome is a "GAA man". As indeed are / were Sean Quinn, Gerry McCarville and Michael Feeney.
Maybe you'd elaborate on that for us
Certainly, being a "GAA man" is often used to strengthen someone case when there is a lack of positive evidence. For example, Fermanagh and Cavan county boards waded into the middle of the Sean Quinn controversy despite knowing the square root of feck all about the intricacies of the case. Likewise their "GAA man"itis was held up in both the McCarville and Feeney cases. Hope that helps.
Quote from: haranguerer on April 28, 2010, 08:56:17 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 27, 2010, 11:27:13 PM
The BBC has to account for every penny and if the viewing figures don't add up, then it won't be shown.
Yes, we can give credit for much of the enhanced GAA coverage on the BBC to Jerome Quinn, but much of his behaviour can be considered at best ill-advised, at worst idiotic. For example, the venture to Windsor in his Tyrone top and his posts here.
If Jerome does win his case, excellent. It proves a bias we already know is there. But it is also telling that few (I mean none) of his former colleagues will raise their heads above the parapet to support him.
Personally I think he has very little chance of winning the case. I also think he probably knows this (hence the self representation to save legal fees), but feels the publicity surrounding it will result in some good. Fair play to him for that.
I disagree with the two points above though. Firstly with regard to the viewing figures: await the blanket coverage of the NW200 - I seriously doubt though, it gets higher viewing figures than championship football. Its more its treatment in sports bulletins which reflect the bias better however. How many play/watch hockey, for eg in NI? Or even rugby? Yet both get better news coverage than GAA matches. This is important too, for the promotion of the sport, and in encouraging kids to play it: anyone watching the sport who sees it listed after the AIL hockey results is perfectly entitled to assume its a pretty insignificant sport not worth bothering with.
With regard to former colleagues supporting him: are turkeys going to vote for christmas?
Firstly see above reply to tyssam5. The rights for the North West are much less than those for the Ulster Championship.
Secondly, I'm told the lack of support has nothing to do with turkeys voting for Christmas.
Quote from: Ulick on April 28, 2010, 11:19:48 AM
Some interesting views on this thread, with a few people having jumped the fence:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=5435.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=5435.0)
Assuming, possibly erroneously, that I'm one of them, here's what I said yesterday.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 27, 2010, 11:27:13 PM
If Jerome does win his case, excellent. It proves a bias we already know is there. But it is also telling that few (I mean none) of his former colleagues will raise their heads above the parapet to support him.
The bias I refer to is of course an anti-GAA bias, rather than an anti Jerome Quinn bias.
It will be interesting to see what the BBC present as evidence of criticism by Jerome on an internet forum which was serious enough to sack him according to his contract.
Surely there would have to be a procedure if the BBC were unhappy with an employee, eg investigate allegation, confront Jerome then send a warning letter about said activity if found to be a breach of contract.
Also, if that criticism by Jerome was anything out of the ordinary from his everyday utterances on the matters inside the BBC /outside the BBC.
Was Colm O´Rourke being serious or sarcastic, when he referred to insurance man Quinn,
'feck the begrudgers he is as a great GAA man' ?
Quote from: Ulick on April 28, 2010, 09:57:28 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 28, 2010, 09:04:59 AM
Why would he be caught out on something as basic as internet posts? It sounds crazy.
I'm curious about these posts as well. As I remember his contributions 99% of them were promoting the BBC coverage. I think the real issue here is freedom of expression - are the BBC really saying that their employees aren't allowed to use Internet forums?
Also I don't know about this using the Internet on 'the bosses time' argument. I doubt very much he was on a 9-5 contract, but more likely had to work until the job was done, so it is for him to decide when he was working on 'the bosses time'.
Wouldn't buy that argument either. How could one maintain that time spent on the most informative news/scandal board on the GAA today was not time well spent for a GAA journo?
A couple of points. The BBS championship coverage is fine in general. The issue is the week in week out coverage on routine sports bulletins. I see it as having as the taigs having a section all to themselves, but the GAA not being presented as of interest to sports followers generally.
Secondly I have often said that the GAA is shooting itself in the foot it it packages its rights so that all media cannot have access to game highlights to show on news sports bulletins or programmes like the UTV one a few years ago. Live coverage of games is one thing, but preview programmes or sports roundup programmes should have the rights to use clips at minimum cost.
Quote from: Main Street on April 28, 2010, 12:39:23 PM
Was Colm O´Rourke being serious or sarcastic, when he referred to insurance man Quinn,
'feck the begrudgers he is as a great GAA man' ?
He didnt say that.
Quote from: Ulick on April 28, 2010, 12:04:04 PM
Was interested in how this Glynn fella would think that his life would be in danger if his photo appeared online, so I Googled him in 'Google Images' and he certainly not camera shy:
Strangely there's not one photo of him at a GAA event. Of course though he may think his life would be in danger by attending such events or consorting with such people?
Yeah,
And here he is dressed up as Paddy Heaney of the Irishnews.....
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gsXGCA5Vhgo/SZQZmd9lxTI/AAAAAAAAABk/BE7D415DqKs/S730/ATB_blogcrown.jpg) (http://www.tgreggphotos.com/imgs/news/6792_20443961054b8582a6323cb.jpg)
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 28, 2010, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on April 28, 2010, 12:46:09 AM
Are you sure about that? They are a public service broadcaster, with mandate for quality etc.. if they wanted viewing figures they could be showing various reality TV shows instead of Songs of Praise etc.
In this case yes. Sport is outside any remit in terms of quality etc., see ONeill's point re. Cavan vs. Fermanagh. I'm told that the viewing figures for Ulster championship matches didn't justify the money being spent for the rights. The BBC head office in Britain may have had some input into this decision though.
Who told you that? The BBC aren't paying anything for the rights.
Quote from: haranguerer on April 28, 2010, 01:23:58 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 28, 2010, 12:39:23 PM
Was Colm O´Rourke being serious or sarcastic, when he referred to insurance man Quinn,
'feck the begrudgers he is as a great GAA man' ?
He didnt say that.
You are right, he did not say that, I was not quoting but referring to my memory of the article where he wrote
"And finally, a message for a great GAA man, Seán Quinn: don't let the bastards grind you down."
In substance, not very different to my memory.
Was he being sarcastic or serious?
16 June 2008
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/response/2008/06/080630_res_ni_sport.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/response/2008/06/080630_res_ni_sport.shtml)
After complaints from viewers who were unhappy that the coverage from the Artois Championships at Queen's Club concluded early on BBCNI in order to show an alternative sporting event.
"We try to minimise the disruption caused to our audience and in this particular instance we moved away from the network schedule to provide coverage from the GAA's Ulster Senior Football Championship Quarter Final at Breffni Park, a fixture that involved Cavan and Armagh"
"Our GAA coverage attracted increased viewing figures in Northern Ireland (the audience more than doubled) and was delivered as part of an enhanced BBC commitment to programming in this area".
Quote from: Main Street on April 28, 2010, 01:57:37 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on April 28, 2010, 01:23:58 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 28, 2010, 12:39:23 PM
Was Colm O´Rourke being serious or sarcastic, when he referred to insurance man Quinn,
'feck the begrudgers he is as a great GAA man' ?
He didnt say that.
You are right, he did not say that, I was not quoting but referring to my memory of the article where he wrote
"And finally, a message for a great GAA man, Seán Quinn: don't let the b**tards grind you down."
In substance, not very different to my memory.
Was he being sarcastic or serious?
Well most people don't pass much notice on what he says so I guess no one knows!
Shame about Quinn though
BBC complaints
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/text/summary_nov2007.html (http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/text/summary_nov2007.html)
the key theme to complaints about BBC sport coverage in all the UK was
Sport: complaints were received from people who feel BBC Northern Ireland and Radio Ulster provide insufficient coverage of the GAA (Gaelic Athletic Association)
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 28, 2010, 12:30:25 PM
Sport is outside any remit in terms of quality etc., see ONeill's point re. Cavan vs. Fermanagh. I'm told that the viewing figures for Ulster championship matches didn't justify the money being spent for the rights. The BBC head office in Britain may have had some input into this decision though.
Not so. Have a look at the BBC Charter. They also state here that sport is an important part of their public service remit:
www.bbccharterreview.org.uk/pdf_documents/BBC_submission_sport.pdf (http://www.bbccharterreview.org.uk/pdf_documents/BBC_submission_sport.pdf)
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=716;area=showposts;start=15 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=716;area=showposts;start=15)
That thread is interesting. It does look like JQ has a point but WTF was he doing posting
anonymously against the BBC ?
Quote from: Ulick on April 28, 2010, 11:12:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 28, 2010, 10:43:40 AM
I saw somewhere that JQ said the relationship started to deteriorate around 4 years ago. It must have been some disgruntled Armagh superior who was jealous of Tyrone's second all-Ireland. When Tyrone won their third presumably all hell broke loose.
I think four years ago was when the BBC dropped the live Championship coverage - only a year or two after they picked up load of awards for the same coverage.
Live coverage was dropped at a time when the price being charged for the rights was not justified by viewing figures.
Quote from: Ulick on April 28, 2010, 01:56:00 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 28, 2010, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on April 28, 2010, 12:46:09 AM
Are you sure about that? They are a public service broadcaster, with mandate for quality etc.. if they wanted viewing figures they could be showing various reality TV shows instead of Songs of Praise etc.
In this case yes. Sport is outside any remit in terms of quality etc., see ONeill's point re. Cavan vs. Fermanagh. I'm told that the viewing figures for Ulster championship matches didn't justify the money being spent for the rights. The BBC head office in Britain may have had some input into this decision though.
Who told you that? The BBC aren't paying anything for the rights.
Probably didn't make myself clear enough. The use of "didn't" suggests past tense, I am talking about the past. When the BBC pulled the coverage 4 or 5 years ago it was because the figures didn't add up for them. I wasn't talking about the current deal. Sorry.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on April 28, 2010, 03:04:11 PM
Quote from: Ulick on April 28, 2010, 11:12:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 28, 2010, 10:43:40 AM
I saw somewhere that JQ said the relationship started to deteriorate around 4 years ago. It must have been some disgruntled Armagh superior who was jealous of Tyrone's second all-Ireland. When Tyrone won their third presumably all hell broke loose.
I think four years ago was when the BBC dropped the live Championship coverage - only a year or two after they picked up load of awards for the same coverage.
Live coverage was dropped at a time when the price being charged for the rights was not justified by viewing figures.
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Are you sure about that? They are a public service broadcaster, with mandate for quality etc.. if they wanted viewing figures they could be showing various reality TV shows instead of Songs of Praise etc.
In this case yes. Sport is outside any remit in terms of quality etc., see ONeill's point re. Cavan vs. Fermanagh. I'm told that the viewing figures for Ulster championship matches didn't justify the money being spent for the rights. The BBC head office in Britain may have had some input into this decision though.
Who told you that? The BBC aren't paying anything for the rights.
Probably didn't make myself clear enough. The use of "didn't" suggests past tense, I am talking about the past. When the BBC pulled the coverage 4 or 5 years ago it was because the figures didn't add up for them. I wasn't talking about the current deal. Sorry.
That's fair enough but my original point stands i.e. we can only take the BBC at their word on this because they wouldn't disclose their viewing figures for Championship games or disclose how much they were spending on GAA coverage in comparison to other sports.
Apparently what ever the BBC says, is good enough for some.
However they have admitted the viewing figures for GAA game have doubled.
Not said from what figure and over what time.
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Was Colm O´Rourke being serious or sarcastic, when he referred to insurance man Quinn,
'feck the begrudgers he is as a great GAA man' ?
He didnt say that.
You are right, he did not say that, I was not quoting but referring to my memory of the article where he wrote
"And finally, a message for a great GAA man, Seán Quinn: don't let the b**tards grind you down."
In substance, not very different to my memory.
Was he being sarcastic or serious?
Him saying he is a great GAA man as an aside to the message 'dont let the bastards grind you down' is very different to saying a message of support purely seemingly
because he is a great GAA man, because to support him on that basis alone would indeed be silly.
Anyway, I think its clear he was being serious rather than sarcastic. Its less so which you are being, though... :)
Back to the topic in hand - just thinking the Beeb better not win, or I'll have less justification (not that it ever were needed) to call them black bastards when they show coverage of Linfield winning the league :P
When I asked them for audience figures and the amounts spent by the BBC on the different sports (Football, Hurling, Soccer, Rugby, Motorcycling), this is the reply I received:
30th August 2007
Dear Mr X
Freedom of Information Request – RFIxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thank you for your recent letter requesting information about the volume, cost and audience figures for BBCNI television and radio coverage of Gaelic Football, Hurling, Soccer, Rugby and Motorcycling.
The information which you have requested about the volume and cost of specific aspects of BBCNI's sports output is not covered by the Freedom of Information Act 2000. Schedule 1 of the Act states that the BBC and other designated public service broadcasters are covered by this legislation only in respect of information held for purposes "other than those of journalism, art and literature". Information which is not subject to disclosure because of this derogation may otherwise be exempt from disclosure because of the application of other provisions of the Act.
The BBC receives audience data about television viewing in the UK under an agreement with the Broadcasters' Audience Research Board (BARB) for which the BBC pays an annual subscription. Under the terms of this agreement, the BBC is entitled to use such information for its own internal purposes and may make this data more widely available in specific circumstances. Although we consider that the Act does not apply to audience data, the BBC does have a working practice (consistent with other broadcasting organisations and the terms of its contractual agreement with BARB) of releasing some headline performance information. We will not be releasing such information or any accompanying analysis on this occasion. Audience figures for radio listening across the UK are collated by Rajar and are subject to analogous contractual constraints. We believe that such information is not covered by the Act and will not be making it voluntarily available in response to this request.
Following discussions with colleagues however, and consistent with established practice at local level, BBCNI is prepared to voluntarily release information about the volume and range of its current sports output. The nature, extent and profile of our sports coverage is directly affected by issues relating to rights acquisition, funding constraints, market provision and the BBC's service commitments as a whole. All of our output is delivered within the context of the BBC's Charter and Framework Agreement and also the terms of its Service Licences and Purpose Remits. Sports programming is an essential and prominent feature of our service offering across radio, television and online and we work hard to ensure that it reflects a broad cross-section of interests and activities.
BBC Radio Ulster broadcasts 41 Saturday Sportsound programmes each year. Much of this output focuses on Irish League soccer and includes full match commentaries from c41 fixtures. In 06/07 the station also provided live coverage of 8 Setanta Cup matches involving Irish League teams and 6 European games featuring local clubs. Its programming additionally included 8 international matches involving the Northern Ireland soccer team. Such output was complemented by dedicated sports programming on BBC Foyle and its coverage of Derry City's performance in the Eircom League. BBCNI also provided extensive coverage of the Milk Cup in Coleraine and soccer (together with the other sports referred to in your request) featured in news and related programming on local television and radio.
BBC Radio Ulster broadcast live match commentaries form 36 Gaelic Football matches on Sunday Sportsound and dedicated medium wave split programmes. Such programming included inter-county and club games, the National Football League and All-Ireland Club Championships. Our radio coverage was complemented by programming on BBCNI television which included highlights of the Hurling Final and live coverage of the MacRory Cup.
BBC Radio Ulster provided live coverage of Ulster team fixtures as part of the Magners League and Heiniken Cup, together with live match commentaries and analysis of fixtures involving the Ireland rugby team. The latter included 8 matches within the review period. BBCNI television additionally provided coverage of the Magners League, Schools' Cup and Ireland A v England A matches.
BBCNI television provided a mix of programming about motorcycling which included coverage of the Isle of Man TT, the Ulster Grand Prix and fixtures at Tandragee, Cookstown and Antrim.
Yours sincerely
Mark Adair
Head of Public Policy, Corporate and Community Affairs
So the only thing they would actually disclose was that BBCNI had live radio coverage of:
63 soccer games (FM and MW)
36 football games (MW only)
0 hurling games
At least 8 international rugby games + undisclosed amount of Ulster games and Ireland reserve games (presumably FM and MW)
On tv they covered 5 motorcycle races, School's Cup and MacRory Cup final.
Of course things have changed in the last three years. Now they are getting the rights to the Ulster Championship for free and have someone else actually filming the stuff for them, they now have live coverage of the Ulster Championship - usually alongside a simultaneous broadcast on RTE or TV3.
Quote from: haranguerer on April 28, 2010, 03:33:53 PM
Him saying he is a great GAA man as an aside to the message 'dont let the b**tards grind you down' is very different to saying a message of support purely seemingly because he is a great GAA man, because to support him on that basis alone would indeed be silly.
But not as silly as the creative genius who surmises this collection of words
"saying a message of support purely seemingly because"
QuoteAnyway, I think its clear he was being serious rather than sarcastic. Its less so which you are being, though... :)
Again you surmise incorrectly. I was quite serious.
I had my doubts that O'Rourke was being serious because imo, his mention of the "great GAA man" was so corny and as has been pointed out in this thread, is a much abused accolade.
Theres nothing wrong with what I have written. The 'purely seemingly' bit is the only part you could be stumbling over, but its necessary to make my point, purely as in 'on its own', and seemingly because we dont know upon which basis he has decided to support Quinn.
Did you seriously think O'Rourke was being sarcastic? I find that hard to believe. Anyway, to continue in a pedantic vein, '...a great GAA man' doesnt appear to have been abused as an accolade at all - are you saying that any of those who have been labelled as such arent great GAA men? I think the point is that being a great GAA man shouldnt absolve someone of other transgressions...
what have i missed,is he gay :o
Quote from: rootthemout on April 28, 2010, 10:27:04 PM
what have i missed,is he gay :o
well he isn't happy, if that's what you mean.
Are there any ginger presenters who've had a sustained period in front of the camera in a non-acting role?
Not included are Chris Evans, Anne Robinson or Charlie Dimmock.
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Quote from: boojangles on April 27, 2010, 04:08:30 PM
Under what name did Jerome post on here?
Fair play to him anyway. Always struck me as a good GAA man who knew his stuff. Hopefully something good arises out of this for him anyway.
For God's sake nobody answer that.
This is an anonymous forum. Everyone is technically anonymous unless they decide to reveal their username themselves. I would say the BBC or anyone else would have quite a job proving who an anonymous poster on an anonymous website actually was. Especially such a high profile individual given the chance of someone pretending to be him.
Best of luck Jerome.
For God's sake pull your head out of Jerome's ass will ya. I was only asking a question.You don't have to answer it.
If he was posting on here you can be sure the BBC and their reps will have known a long time ago.
How was he specifically discriminated against ?
Where has this 'racial' card come from ?
Quote from: ONeill on April 28, 2010, 11:37:56 PM
Are there any ginger presenters who've had a sustained period in front of the camera in a non-acting role?
Not included are Chris Evans, Anne Robinson or Charlie Dimmock.
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Quotewhat have i missed,is he gay
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Quote from: muppet on April 27, 2010, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: boojangles on April 27, 2010, 04:08:30 PM
Under what name did Jerome post on here?
Fair play to him anyway. Always struck me as a good GAA man who knew his stuff. Hopefully something good arises out of this for him anyway.
For God's sake nobody answer that.
This is an anonymous forum. Everyone is technically anonymous unless they decide to reveal their username themselves. I would say the BBC or anyone else would have quite a job proving who an anonymous poster on an anonymous website actually was. Especially such a high profile individual given the chance of someone pretending to be him.
Best of luck Jerome.
For God's sake pull your head out of Jerome's ass will ya. I was only asking a question.You don't have to answer it.
If he was posting on here you can be sure the BBC and their reps will have known a long time ago.
I am from Mayo. I am barely aware of him. Nordie celebs are irrelevant to me. I would just be wary of this board grassing, accidently or otherwise. Imagine if 20 guys had come back and posted an identical answer? Thankfully no one was stupid enough to answer your question or we might be hearing it in court.
You could have asked for a PM.
This story unfortunately will run and run - how such a load of shite could enjoy such publicity is beyond me.
personally what goes on between himelf and his former employer is only a matter for Jerome Quinn. As an impartial presenter, i always felt that he was too biased towards Tyrone - and i am a tyrone fan.
Mr GAA, my hole.
He has't a leg to stand on IMO. Alleging discrimination when you got caught slagging your boss is a bit silly when your replacement is a paddy from Sligo. All he can hope for is to inspire debate.
Personally I'm not of this talibanesque stance toward the BBC, as I believe there's a fairly decent amount of GAA coverage to keep me happy from the papers and magazines, online sites, local and regional radio and TV. Of course I would like more and there's always going to be that influentual soccer element within BBCNI sport, they've been there a long time and increasing the GAA budget will mean less for them, so hardly shocking that they're looking after their own interests.
In contrast to RTE, we get decent radio coverage (albeit MW) throughout the year and get the McRory final. The online and teletext coverage is OK, just. But they cover the main stories and I mean there's no shortage of GAA journalists and columnists about if you want to read about the issues.
TV is a complex issue as the BBCNI will find it hard to match the RTE budget, who broadcast to most of the North anyway. The far superior RTE production means most in the North are watching the Sunday Game.
But saying that, if you were going to allege bias at the BBC, the championship coverage is where you would start.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on April 29, 2010, 08:38:04 AM
He has't a leg to stand on IMO. Alleging discrimination when you got caught slagging your boss is a bit silly when your replacement is a paddy from Sligo. All he can hope for is to inspire debate.
That's irrelevant i.e. there wasn't likely to be many Normans from Newtownards in the running for the post.
Quote from: muppet on April 29, 2010, 05:18:15 AM
I am from Mayo. I am barely aware of him. Nordie celebs are irrelevant to me. I would just be wary of this board grassing, accidently or otherwise. Imagine if 20 guys had come back and posted an identical answer? Thankfully no one was stupid enough to answer your question or we might be hearing it in court.
You could have asked for a PM.
We will be as it's the reason he was sacked, I saw nothing but fair comment and a wee bit of narcissism here, however they would seem from reports to be concentrating on postings on Hogan Stand. Muppet, they already know everthing Jerome posted from his BBC computer, anything else is irrelevant.
Forget Jerome lads, the real big example of BBC bias is when at about 10:30pm, the six counties has weather, Scotland, East Anglia Staffordshire and Kent have weather but there never appears to be any weather in Sligo, Donegal or Monaghan ;)
Come on Jackie sort it out!!
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Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on April 29, 2010, 08:38:04 AM
He has't a leg to stand on IMO. Alleging discrimination when you got caught slagging your boss is a bit silly when your replacement is a paddy from Sligo. All he can hope for is to inspire debate.
That's irrelevant i.e. there wasn't likely to be many Normans from Newtownards in the running for the post.
Hardly irrelevant. If you are going to sue an employer for discrimination for being Catholic and Irish, it hardly helps your case that your employer actively employs Irish catholics and in fact replaced you with one.
That's like suing an employer for been overlooked for a promotion as you were a woman, when the person who got the job was in fact a woman.
I think what Jerome's doing is trying to bring BBC policy regarding local sport broadcasting into the public domain and pressurise into promoting GAA on par with soccer. In terms of personal discrimination/damages, he hasn't a hope, particularly when he was posting negative commentary on internet forums about his employer.
It looks as though there was a severe breakdown in the relationship between JQ and his superiors and that he made a stupid mistake which was punished to the full. Maybe that wasn't the right job for him. He probably needs to have a good think about what's right for him and make a stab at building up his career again. Norn Iron is a very small space though and once you burn your bridges with the BBC there isn't much left.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on April 29, 2010, 09:35:28 AM
Hardly irrelevant. If you are going to sue an employer for discrimination for being Catholic and Irish, it hardly helps your case that your employer actively employs Irish catholics and in fact replaced you with one.
That's like suing an employer for been overlooked for a promotion as you were a woman, when the person who got the job was in fact a woman.
He is bringing a case about himself so how his employers treat others is not a concern in the case, similarly, his employers actions after he left is not a concern in his case. For all anyone knows, others in the company could be suffering the same discrimination as him or they may not be - the case hasn't been proved either way and so cannot have any bearing on his case.
what was that about the great sean o'neill handing back a jersey to bbc? was it to do with their docunmentary on down's first all ireland and why did he hand it back?
Handing back a jersey to the BBC? When did the BBC start giving out jerseys?
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Quote from: boojangles on April 28, 2010, 11:50:45 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 27, 2010, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: boojangles on April 27, 2010, 04:08:30 PM
Under what name did Jerome post on here?
Fair play to him anyway. Always struck me as a good GAA man who knew his stuff. Hopefully something good arises out of this for him anyway.
For God's sake nobody answer that.
This is an anonymous forum. Everyone is technically anonymous unless they decide to reveal their username themselves. I would say the BBC or anyone else would have quite a job proving who an anonymous poster on an anonymous website actually was. Especially such a high profile individual given the chance of someone pretending to be him.
Best of luck Jerome.
For God's sake pull your head out of Jerome's ass will ya. I was only asking a question.You don't have to answer it.
If he was posting on here you can be sure the BBC and their reps will have known a long time ago.
I am from Mayo. I am barely aware of him. Nordie celebs are irrelevant to me. I would just be wary of this board grassing, accidently or otherwise. Imagine if 20 guys had come back and posted an identical answer? Thankfully no one was stupid enough to answer your question or we might be hearing it in court.
You could have asked for a PM.
Have you read through the whole thread Muppet? Obviously not.Some people are not as far up Jerome's ass as you Muppet.
If BBC have evidence against Mr Quinn it would be gathered already so don't be so naive Muppet.
If your barely aware of him why do you give a fiddlers about him Muppet?
Who do you recommend that I PM Muppet? All 3000 members??? The answer doesn't bother me that much.
Quote from: Hardy on April 29, 2010, 11:32:01 AM
Handing back a jersey to the BBC? When did the BBC start giving out jerseys?
I seem to remember a horrible brown V necked acrylic one that presenters wore in the late 70s.
I wonder why the equality commission are not involved in this representing JQ. At a guess either Jerome didn't contact them or he did and they did not believe his case had sufficient merit. It's a shame that more technical details of the case are not available yet as words such as discrimination get bandied about in the media with little clarification on what exactly he is alleging.
For example - if he is alleging discrimination then , generally in such cases, he would need to have a comparator. If he has established prima facie evidence then it will more than likley be up to the BBC to defend their actions. stuff like this is more technical than papers report so Without being there you rely on tabloid speculation and / or interpretation. Very hard to know what to make of it all and who is right or wrong.
If he was slagging off his employer, especially on work time and using work equipment the. He is Probably on a pretty sticky wicket to begin with although a lot of other factors need to be considered in assessing if the BBC acted "reasonably" or not.
Personally speaking the BBC has a long way to go in terms of GAA broadcasting but are a million miles further on than they were in the late 80s and early 90s.
Not sure if Jeromes case will help or hinder that.
My religion was 'elephant in room' at BBC, claims Quinn
Thursday, 29 April 2010
Presenter Jerome Quinn claims he was sacked by BBC because he is an Irish Catholic
The Irish Catholic identity of a BBC Northern Ireland sports presenter was the "elephant in the room" in discussions with senior colleagues, an industrial tribunal was told.
Co Tyrone man Jerome Quinn claims he was unfairly dismissed by BBC Northern Ireland and discriminated against because he was Irish and Catholic.
He was sacked by the BBC — where he had been the self-styled face of the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) — in March last year after he was found to be posting online comments criticising the broadcaster's coverage of Gaelic games.
The journalist claims coverage of Gaelic games by BBC Northern Ireland and Radio Ulster had been scaled back and his role diminished when a new head of sport, Shane Glynn, took over around 2005.
The effect of the scaling-back was insulting to people "in the same group" as him in the sports department, Mr Quinn said.
The tribunal heard that in 2007 and 2008 Mr Quinn had informal meetings with four senior colleagues to discuss his concerns about his role.
But under cross-examination by Tariq Sadiq, acting for the BBC on the third day of the industrial tribunal yesterday, Mr Quinn said that he did not raise allegations of discrimination in those meetings.
He said: "To me it was the elephant in the room.
"It was the undercurrent, but to me it was obviously the area we were looking at, but I didn't want to mention it.
"I thought if I mentioned that, it would have gotten round the building.
"It would have been even more detrimental."
As part of the claim process Mr Quinn lodged questionnaires at the BBC but Mr Sadiq said the allegations in the questionnaire were personal and did not back up a claim of indirect discrimination. The barrister said: "It's all about me, me, me, isn't it, Mr Quinn? You refer to 'me' on three occasions.
"A lot of it is about me but the answers I was seeking would have been relevant to Irish Catholics," Mr Quinn said.
In his witness statement, Mr Quinn said: "I appealed to Mr Glynn to rethink his constant downplaying of GAA, which was insulting as well as divisive.
"There was the unhappiness of the GAA at how (news programme) Newsline was enjoying putting the boot into the GAA whenever there was a negative GAA story.
"They cut back their Sunday radio coverage... the institution of Sunday Sports Sound was wiped from the airwaves."
The tribunal is expected to last three weeks.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/my-religion-was-lsquoelephant-in-roomrsquo-at-bbc-claims-quinn-14784760.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/my-religion-was-lsquoelephant-in-roomrsquo-at-bbc-claims-quinn-14784760.html)
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Quote from: boojangles on April 27, 2010, 04:08:30 PM
Under what name did Jerome post on here?
Fair play to him anyway. Always struck me as a good GAA man who knew his stuff. Hopefully something good arises out of this for him anyway.
For God's sake nobody answer that.
This is an anonymous forum. Everyone is technically anonymous unless they decide to reveal their username themselves. I would say the BBC or anyone else would have quite a job proving who an anonymous poster on an anonymous website actually was. Especially such a high profile individual given the chance of someone pretending to be him.
Best of luck Jerome.
For God's sake pull your head out of Jerome's ass will ya. I was only asking a question.You don't have to answer it.
If he was posting on here you can be sure the BBC and their reps will have known a long time ago.
I am from Mayo. I am barely aware of him. Nordie celebs are irrelevant to me. I would just be wary of this board grassing, accidently or otherwise. Imagine if 20 guys had come back and posted an identical answer? Thankfully no one was stupid enough to answer your question or we might be hearing it in court.
You could have asked for a PM.
Have you read through the whole thread Muppet? Obviously not.Some people are not as far up Jerome's ass as you Muppet.
If BBC have evidence against Mr Quinn it would be gathered already so don't be so naive Muppet.
If your barely aware of him why do you give a fiddlers about him Muppet?
Who do you recommend that I PM Muppet? All 3000 members??? The answer doesn't bother me that much.
You are not very bright are you? You could simply post the question you asked but requesting your answer as a PM not a public post. It happens all the time, e.g. the DUP scandals.
As for the evidence, has anyone here seen it yet? The case hasn't finished yet so how do you know the BBC's computer evidence is as they say it is? The naivety here is staggering.
We know they accused him of posting on this board slagging managers. The geniuses here
ASSUME the BBC have all the evidence they need to prove this beyond a reasonable doubt. So that's it in a nutshell then? Guilty as charged?
With friends like these.............
Its unlikely they took the case to court in the hope that someone on the web would inadvertently provide proof during the hearing of the case, dont you think?
Quote from: haranguerer on April 29, 2010, 02:15:50 PM
Its unlikely they took the case to court in the hope that someone on the web would inadvertently provide proof during the hearing of the case, dont you think?
He is the one taking the case.
All I am doing is cautioning against compromising him.
Maybe I've missed the point here but has JQ not already admitted posting the messages and this led to his sacking??? I didn't think he was denying these allegations then or now
Quote from: tyroneman on April 29, 2010, 04:46:14 PM
Maybe I've missed the point here but has JQ not already admitted posting the messages and this led to his sacking??? I didn't think he was denying these allegations then or now
Correct, he has admitted to that and says he was in the wrong. This is about the BBC attitude towards GAA coverage, compared to other sports.
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Quote from: tyroneman on April 29, 2010, 04:46:14 PM
Maybe I've missed the point here but has JQ not already admitted posting the messages and this led to his sacking??? I didn't think he was denying these allegations then or now
Correct, he has admitted to that and says he was in the wrong. This is about the BBC attitude towards GAA coverage, compared to other sports.
And if he did admit it was wrong (and just how wrong was it?) why should it have continued to be an issue for the BBC?
JQ is implying another agenda was at play.
Has he presented any hard evidence or just a collection of circumstances?
Eh what difference does it make knowing the alias he posted under when he already admitted to it ?
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Quote from: tyroneman on April 29, 2010, 04:46:14 PM
Maybe I've missed the point here but has JQ not already admitted posting the messages and this led to his sacking??? I didn't think he was denying these allegations then or now
Correct, he has admitted to that and says he was in the wrong. This is about the BBC attitude towards GAA coverage, compared to other sports.
Why's it at an Employment Tribunal then? You're so far up his hole that you have lost the sight of all reason and logic.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on April 29, 2010, 05:58:22 PM
Eh what difference does it make knowing the alias he posted under when he already admitted to it ?
I wasn't aware that he had admitted this. Is there a link?
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Quote from: DennistheMenace on April 29, 2010, 05:58:22 PM
Eh what difference does it make knowing the alias he posted under when he already admitted to it ?
I wasn't aware that he had admitted this. Is there a link?
I remember Ziggy making reference to his previous username. Didn't think it was a secret. He had had a few I think though. G••••• Y•••• was the one Ziggy mentioned.
QuoteMr Quinn admitted criticising the BBC on internet discussion boards, adding it was " a poor error of judgment for which I apologise". He said it was an attempt to inform fans "of what was behind anti-GAA coverage in BBC NI".
Fair enough, I apologise to Boojangles. I had read that post but this didn't stick for some reason.
Not sure I would have admitted it so easily. Remember the Bard of Dunclug excuse?
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Quote from: muppet on April 29, 2010, 06:48:58 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on April 29, 2010, 05:58:22 PM
Eh what difference does it make knowing the alias he posted under when he already admitted to it ?
I wasn't aware that he had admitted this. Is there a link?
I remember Ziggy making reference to his previous username. Didn't think it was a secret. He had had a few I think though. G••••• Y•••• was the one Ziggy mentioned.
The name I referred to, was a well known name. Apparently he came back under a different name. Or so they say...
Quote from: muppet on April 29, 2010, 06:48:58 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on April 29, 2010, 05:58:22 PM
Eh what difference does it make knowing the alias he posted under when he already admitted to it ?
I wasn't aware that he had admitted this. Is there a link?
Yup.
Quote from: ziggysego on April 29, 2010, 04:52:10 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 29, 2010, 04:46:14 PM
Maybe I've missed the point here but has JQ not already admitted posting the messages and this led to his sacking??? I didn't think he was denying these allegations then or now
Correct, he has admitted to that and says he was in the wrong. This is about the BBC attitude towards GAA coverage, compared to other sports.
That's what Jerome Quinn is trying to convince the tribunal it's about. The next couple of weeks will show if he's right. The reality may well be that this is simply a story of another broadcaster who'd fallen out of favour with his employer for more mundane reasons.
Best of luck with his case but I can't avoid feeling JQ's on a hiding to nothing. His case will not stack up at law. I can only surmise he has calculated that the publicity gained will help him endear welcome from the warm arms of GAA to help with his future. I can't help having doubts about this case though. For instance:
1. His claim of being Mr GAA does not convince me at all. What has he done to earn it? Outside of self-promoting PR, can anyone set out his true GAA pedigree? I remember him publishing a book aimed at the Christmas market on GAA/Soccer/Rugger but ended up giving it away as nobody bought it. This, to me, indicated a mercenary attitude showing he is prepared to perform whatever audience would pay. In the end it proved another misjudgement.
2. I suspect that any extra GAA input (above that of the average 5/8 like you and me) only began when he entered sports PR? I stand to be corrected here but what, if anything, did he do for the GAA before? Was he a staunch,proactive GAA figure at Omagh where he grew up or did the Mr GAA bit come later? Perhaps the St Enda's faithfull could enlighen us this?
3. I can't help asking myself why is he representing himself? Was no one prepared to take his case - did the Equality Commission chase him away? Although I can see how he may have calculated that self-representation would save on costly legal costs but does he not realise he could still end up with the BEEB's and if so yet another serious misjudgement.
Hopefully, although not a guarantee, his action may lead to enhanced GAA coverage across the NI Broadcasters but this pendulum could swing either way on the outcome of this case.
point 3 biggest mistake of all for me OB, that is a very strange choice to make in something as high profile as this ???
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 29, 2010, 10:26:58 PM
Best of luck with his case but I can't avoid feeling JQ's on a hiding to nothing. His case will not stack up at law. I can only surmise he has calculated that the publicity gained will help him endear welcome from the warm arms of GAA to help with his future. I can't help having doubts about this case though. For instance:
1. His claim of being Mr GAA does not convince me at all. What has he done to earn it? Outside of self-promoting PR, can anyone set out his true GAA pedigree? I remember him publishing a book aimed at the Christmas market on GAA/Soccer/Rugger but ended up giving it away as nobody bought it. This, to me, indicated a mercenary attitude showing he is prepared to perform whatever audience would pay. In the end it proved another misjudgement.
2. I suspect that any extra GAA input (above that of the average 5/8 like you and me) only began when he entered sports PR? I stand to be corrected here but what, if anything, did he do for the GAA before? Was he a staunch,proactive GAA figure at Omagh where he grew up or did the Mr GAA bit come later? Perhaps the St Enda's faithfull could enlighen us this?
3. I can't help asking myself why is he representing himself? Was no one prepared to take his case - did the Equality Commission chase him away? Although I can see how he may have calculated that self-representation would save on costly legal costs but does he not realise he could still end up with the BEEB's and if so yet another serious misjudgement.
Hopefully, although not a guarantee, his action may lead to enhanced GAA coverage across the NI Broadcasters but this pendulum could swing either way on the outcome of this case.
...and the little boy pointed at the Emporer and said he is wearing no clothes. A lot of truth in this post.
What's all this "Mr GAA" stuff about? New to me.
Quote from: Ulick on April 29, 2010, 11:32:01 PM
What's all this "Mr GAA" stuff about? New to me.
I think the term
Mr GAA was quoted in the IN earlier this week as a quote from Jerome.
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Quote from: boojangles on April 29, 2010, 11:36:46 AM
Quote from: muppet on April 29, 2010, 05:18:15 AM
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Under what name did Jerome post on here?
Fair play to him anyway. Always struck me as a good GAA man who knew his stuff. Hopefully something good arises out of this for him anyway.
For God's sake nobody answer that.
This is an anonymous forum. Everyone is technically anonymous unless they decide to reveal their username themselves. I would say the BBC or anyone else would have quite a job proving who an anonymous poster on an anonymous website actually was. Especially such a high profile individual given the chance of someone pretending to be him.
Best of luck Jerome.
For God's sake pull your head out of Jerome's ass will ya. I was only asking a question.You don't have to answer it.
If he was posting on here you can be sure the BBC and their reps will have known a long time ago.
I am from Mayo. I am barely aware of him. Nordie celebs are irrelevant to me. I would just be wary of this board grassing, accidently or otherwise. Imagine if 20 guys had come back and posted an identical answer? Thankfully no one was stupid enough to answer your question or we might be hearing it in court.
You could have asked for a PM.
Have you read through the whole thread Muppet? Obviously not.Some people are not as far up Jerome's ass as you Muppet.
If BBC have evidence against Mr Quinn it would be gathered already so don't be so naive Muppet.
If your barely aware of him why do you give a fiddlers about him Muppet?
Who do you recommend that I PM Muppet? All 3000 members??? The answer doesn't bother me that much.
You are not very bright are you? You could simply post the question you asked but requesting your answer as a PM not a public post. It happens all the time, e.g. the DUP scandals.
As for the evidence, has anyone here seen it yet? The case hasn't finished yet so how do you know the BBC's computer evidence is as they say it is? The naivety here is staggering.
We know they accused him of posting on this board slagging managers. The geniuses here ASSUME the BBC have all the evidence they need to prove this beyond a reasonable doubt. So that's it in a nutshell then? Guilty as charged?
With friends like these.............
The naivety here is staggering. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Anyway apology accepted. Muppet. :P
He has admiited he did it... case closed. Whatever his gripes it was a crazy thing to do.
I know that his brother Paddy was a decent enough full back in the 80's and into the early 90's. Played in a county final.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on April 30, 2010, 12:07:43 AM
He has admiited he did it... case closed. Whatever his gripes it was a crazy thing to do.
Not quite. Depends on what he said and whether there was process for him to air grievances in house.
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 29, 2010, 10:26:58 PM
Best of luck with his case but I can't avoid feeling JQ's on a hiding to nothing. His case will not stack up at law. I can only surmise he has calculated that the publicity gained will help him endear welcome from the warm arms of GAA to help with his future. I can't help having doubts about this case though. For instance:
1. His claim of being Mr GAA does not convince me at all. What has he done to earn it? Outside of self-promoting PR, can anyone set out his true GAA pedigree? I remember him publishing a book aimed at the Christmas market on GAA/Soccer/Rugger but ended up giving it away as nobody bought it. This, to me, indicated a mercenary attitude showing he is prepared to perform whatever audience would pay. In the end it proved another misjudgement.
2. I suspect that any extra GAA input (above that of the average 5/8 like you and me) only began when he entered sports PR? I stand to be corrected here but what, if anything, did he do for the GAA before? Was he a staunch,proactive GAA figure at Omagh where he grew up or did the Mr GAA bit come later? Perhaps the St Enda's faithfull could enlighen us this?
3. I can't help asking myself why is he representing himself? Was no one prepared to take his case - did the Equality Commission chase him away? Although I can see how he may have calculated that self-representation would save on costly legal costs but does he not realise he could still end up with the BEEB's and if so yet another serious misjudgement.
Hopefully, although not a guarantee, his action may lead to enhanced GAA coverage across the NI Broadcasters but this pendulum could swing either way on the outcome of this case.
I'm sure Jerome could do without wellwishers like you.
Points one and two of your post miss the point completely, whether you like it or not Jerome was the face of the gaa on british television, that's what the Mr Gaa bit was about not whether he was pulling his weight in any club. It is his association with the sport and the sidelining of that sport by glynn which forms part of his case.
TYP has covered point three but to add, I suspect that Jerome hoped that the BBC would settle before the case got this far to avoid adverse publicity, however they have half of their London Legal department here as, I assume, they have calculated that their stock could not fall any lower within the GAA community.
ps to the ytp scouring these pages for the Irish News, Jeromes point about the 2008 Sports personality award was not who eventually won it but the fact that he had to fight to head off Glynn's attempt to rig the panel against the gaa. He won that battle but obviously lost the war.
Quote from: Ulick on April 30, 2010, 08:23:25 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on April 30, 2010, 12:07:43 AM
He has admiited he did it... case closed. Whatever his gripes it was a crazy thing to do.
Not quite. Depends on what he said and whether there was process for him to air grievances in house.
Is Jerome is arguing that as part of his case.
I don't know what he owned up to when it is claimed here that he apologised for criticising BBC coverage of the GAA.
If that is the reason the BBC used to justify his sacking then would it not be wise to focus just as much energy on the validity of that, based on the BBC own in-house guidelines/process, as well as providing as much witness as possible to the general agenda against the GAA from inside the BBC?
I see the article in the BN goes into more detail on the Tribunal process.
http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/BBC-39tried-to-exclude-GAA.6257417.jp?articlepage=1 (http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/BBC-39tried-to-exclude-GAA.6257417.jp?articlepage=1)
More detail on how the BBC panel was rigged.
on how his sports reporting was selected for criticism
'Mr Quinn said that Mr Glynn accused him of "using too much GAA" on a radio bulletin, when there had been breaking GAA stories. But Mr Quinn outlined several other bulletins from around the same period which were 95 per cent soccer, along with some rugby.
He added that Mr Glynn had "admitted he did not ever say to another reporter that there was too much soccer or rugby" in another bulletin'.
and some on discussion board activity
'He also referred to what he said was the first complaint Mr Glynn had made about him. It related to an internet discussion board on sport which Mr Quinn had been taking part in.
He said a photograph of Mr Glynn was posted followed by comments which Mr Glynn alleged were threatening.
Although his manager had claimed he was directly involved, Mr Quinn denied this strenuously.
And although it was not used as grounds for his dismissal, Mr Quinn felt this had unfairly coloured the preliminary investigation against him.
that bit in bold is puzzling, is that not the reported reason why he was dismissed?
In the Onion Bag - I'm glad I don't have a friend like you. Please don't air your dirty linen in public - you are a disgrace!
I wonder if Tariq Sadiq is a muslim protestant or a muslim catholic.
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 29, 2010, 10:26:58 PM
I remember him publishing a book aimed at the Christmas market on GAA/Soccer/Rugger but ended up giving it away as nobody bought it.
Quinn wrote a book in or around 1993 called "Ulster Football & Hurling: The Path of Champions". Its an absolute classic and contains a very well-researched archive of Ulster GAA records, which was only bettered 16 years later by Donal McAnallen's book last winter. Quinn did write a number of Ulster Sports Annuals in the 1990s, of varying quality, but it would be churlish to deny his ability as an author on the basis of one of these efforts.
Quote from: Main Street on April 30, 2010, 12:53:15 PM
I see the article in the BN goes into more detail on the Tribunal process.
http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/BBC-39tried-to-exclude-GAA.6257417.jp?articlepage=1 (http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/BBC-39tried-to-exclude-GAA.6257417.jp?articlepage=1)
More detail on how the BBC panel was rigged.
on how his sports reporting was selected for criticism
'Mr Quinn said that Mr Glynn accused him of "using too much GAA" on a radio bulletin, when there had been breaking GAA stories. But Mr Quinn outlined several other bulletins from around the same period which were 95 per cent soccer, along with some rugby.
He added that Mr Glynn had "admitted he did not ever say to another reporter that there was too much soccer or rugby" in another bulletin'.
and some on discussion board activity
'He also referred to what he said was the first complaint Mr Glynn had made about him. It related to an internet discussion board on sport which Mr Quinn had been taking part in.
He said a photograph of Mr Glynn was posted followed by comments which Mr Glynn alleged were threatening.
Although his manager had claimed he was directly involved, Mr Quinn denied this strenuously.
And although it was not used as grounds for his dismissal, Mr Quinn felt this had unfairly coloured the preliminary investigation against him.
that bit in bold is puzzling, is that not the reported reason why he was dismissed?
The bit in bold refers specifically to the publication of a photograph of Mr Glynn on the Internet, not the entire issue.
Maybe I have missed a few posts here but personally I found JQ to be the most boring sports presenter/reporter on the planet - and Logie the most embarrassing.
Both would protray themselves as "Mr GAA" types and maybe get carried away with their own publicity. Their absence from the airways will not diminish the image of the GAA in any way.
The GAA itself is seriously in default in failing to engage iby way of a professional PR approach with both BBC & UTV for the necessary improvement in GAA coverage.
Just on the Jerome "Mr GAA" thing, say what you want about Mark Sidebottom but he had always been a very good clubman for us, before he was on the BBC and since, played for our club for years when he was living in Belfast (50 miles away) and has given up a lot of his time freely whenever he has been asked in the last few years.
I am Mr GAA.
Quote from: Main Street on April 30, 2010, 02:44:06 PM
I am Mr GAA.
I thought you were Mr GAA GAA, Lady GAA GAA's other half.
Quote from: Leo on April 30, 2010, 02:18:44 PM
Maybe I have missed a few posts here but personally I found JQ to be the most boring sports presenter/reporter on the planet - and Logie the most embarrassing.
Both would protray themselves as "Mr GAA" types and maybe get carried away with their own publicity. Their absence from the airways will not diminish the image of the GAA in any way.
The GAA itself is seriously in default in failing to engage iby way of a professional PR approach with both BBC & UTV for the necessary improvement in GAA coverage.
what happened to Logan?
Quote from: seafoid on April 30, 2010, 04:23:39 PM
Quote from: Leo on April 30, 2010, 02:18:44 PM
Maybe I have missed a few posts here but personally I found JQ to be the most boring sports presenter/reporter on the planet - and Logie the most embarrassing.
Both would protray themselves as "Mr GAA" types and maybe get carried away with their own publicity. Their absence from the airways will not diminish the image of the GAA in any way.
The GAA itself is seriously in default in failing to engage iby way of a professional PR approach with both BBC & UTV for the necessary improvement in GAA coverage.
what happened to Logan?
Cut backs at UTV, so Logie was let go.
A lot of anti Jerome sentiment here but I can't help but think it is little more than begrudgery from people who love taking pot shots at people with a public profile regardless of what they may be like.
Maybe we could have a rotten tomato event, where board members could produce a 5 minute presentation slot on a GAA topic and upload it for general board inspection. Masks can be worn to preserve anonymity.
Quote from: cornafean on April 30, 2010, 01:44:05 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 29, 2010, 10:26:58 PM
I remember him publishing a book aimed at the Christmas market on GAA/Soccer/Rugger but ended up giving it away as nobody bought it.
Quinn wrote a book in or around 1993 called "Ulster Football & Hurling: The Path of Champions". Its an absolute classic and contains a very well-researched archive of Ulster GAA records, which was only bettered 16 years later by Donal McAnallen's book last winter. Quinn did write a number of Ulster Sports Annuals in the 1990s, of varying quality, but it would be churlish to deny his ability as an author on the basis of one of these efforts.
You're absolutely right.
A great book about a great era when Ulster teams were only starting out.
QUOTE: "I remember him publishing a book aimed at the Christmas market on GAA/Soccer/Rugger. This, to me, indicated a mercenary attitude showing he is prepared to perform whatever audience would pay" END QUOTE.
Sorry if I failed to make my point here clear enough.
It was not a comment on the quality of the publication rather a suspicion a mercenary character that, if correct, for me undermines any 'Mr GAA' claim .
Hope this clears that issue a bit.
Quote from: ziggysego on April 30, 2010, 04:24:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 30, 2010, 04:23:39 PM
Quote from: Leo on April 30, 2010, 02:18:44 PM
Maybe I have missed a few posts here but personally I found JQ to be the most boring sports presenter/reporter on the planet - and Logie the most embarrassing.
Both would protray themselves as "Mr GAA" types and maybe get carried away with their own publicity. Their absence from the airways will not diminish the image of the GAA in any way.
The GAA itself is seriously in default in failing to engage iby way of a professional PR approach with both BBC & UTV for the necessary improvement in GAA coverage.
what happened to Logan?
Cut backs at UTV, so Logie was let go.
When's his case up?
Quote from: Myles Na G. on April 30, 2010, 07:50:11 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 30, 2010, 04:24:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 30, 2010, 04:23:39 PM
Quote from: Leo on April 30, 2010, 02:18:44 PM
Maybe I have missed a few posts here but personally I found JQ to be the most boring sports presenter/reporter on the planet - and Logie the most embarrassing.
Both would protray themselves as "Mr GAA" types and maybe get carried away with their own publicity. Their absence from the airways will not diminish the image of the GAA in any way.
The GAA itself is seriously in default in failing to engage iby way of a professional PR approach with both BBC & UTV for the necessary improvement in GAA coverage.
what happened to Logan?
Cut backs at UTV, so Logie was let go.
When's his case up?
I don't follow you, what do you mean?
Quote from: ziggysego on April 30, 2010, 07:57:01 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on April 30, 2010, 07:50:11 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 30, 2010, 04:24:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 30, 2010, 04:23:39 PM
Quote from: Leo on April 30, 2010, 02:18:44 PM
Maybe I have missed a few posts here but personally I found JQ to be the most boring sports presenter/reporter on the planet - and Logie the most embarrassing.
Both would protray themselves as "Mr GAA" types and maybe get carried away with their own publicity. Their absence from the airways will not diminish the image of the GAA in any way.
The GAA itself is seriously in default in failing to engage iby way of a professional PR approach with both BBC & UTV for the necessary improvement in GAA coverage.
what happened to Logan?
Cut backs at UTV, so Logie was let go.
When's his case up?
I don't follow you, what do you mean?
If a joke has to be explained, it's obviously not very funny. Forget I spoke. :-[
It didn't.
He's waiting for precedent...
British Broadcasting Corporation thats all that needs said
Quote from: unitedireland on May 02, 2010, 01:08:55 AM
British Broadcasting Corporation thats all that needs said
'Nuf said. ;D
Having read this thread with interest for the last week & the reports in The Irish News almost on a daily basis, I really can't see how Jerome expects to win his case.
For a professional journalist to slate his employer on a world wide public forum & expect to get away with it speaks volumes of his level of professionalism.
He keeps harping on about this 'religious descrimination' & 'anti GAA' nonsense which I think is a case of him playing his 'joker' card to try & drum up some support from the GAA fraternity , it's quiet obvious that he's throwing a hissy fit about his dismissal which in my view is down to his own stupidity & nothing to do with religion.
If the beeb were so biased towards 'Irish Catholics' as was mentioned in todays Irish News then it seems a bit strange that they have replaced Jerome with Austin O'Callaghan an 'Irish Catholic' from County Sligo & also have another 2 presenters of the same genre in Mark Sidebottom & Thomas Kane.
It's time to accept you were in the wrong Jerome, dry your eyes & move on.
Quote from: mournerambler on May 05, 2010, 10:29:29 AM
Having read this thread with interest for the last week & the reports in The Irish News almost on a daily basis, I really can't see how Jerome expects to win his case.
For a professional journalist to slate his employer on a world wide public forum & expect to get away with it speaks volumes of his level of professionalism.
He keeps harping on about this 'religious descrimination' & 'anti GAA' nonsense which I think is a case of him playing his 'joker' card to try & drum up some support from the GAA fraternity , it's quiet obvious that he's throwing a hissy fit about his dismissal which in my view is down to his own stupidity & nothing to do with religion.
If the beeb were so biased towards 'Irish Catholics' as was mentioned in todays Irish News then it seems a bit strange that they have replaced Jerome with Austin O'Callaghan an 'Irish Catholic' from County Sligo & also have another 2 presenters of the same genre in Mark Sidebottom & Thomas Kane.
It's time to accept you were in the wrong Jerome, dry your eyes & move on.
I wonder how many British Protestants applied for the post ::)
Belly telly
The former face of BBC Northern Ireland's GAA coverage has told an industrial tribunal he failed to raise concerns about disciplinary proceedings against him because he had lost faith in the process.
Jerome Quinn, who was sacked last year after he was discovered criticising the BBC in anonymous web posts, is alleging unfair dismissal and discrimination on the grounds of his Irish Catholic identity.
At a hearing in Belfast yesterday, Mr Quinn said he was overlooked for presenting jobs in favour of other colleagues and his programme ideas were ignored by the newly-appointed head of sports, Shane Glynn.
"I wasn't chosen for a lot of programmes and programmes I had were taken away from me," he said.
"There were many examples of my role being diminished, which I had worked hard to build up."
The tribunal also heard Mr Quinn, who described himself as the only senior broadcast journalist in the team, was also told he had to work early morning shifts shortly after Mr Glynn took up his post in 2005.
However, the tribunal was told colleagues who were promoted to senior broadcast journalists following his dismissal received letters to tell them they would only have to work the same shift in emergency circumstances.
During cross-examination, however, Mr Quinn — who is representing himself — conceded some colleagues who he believed were given preferential treatment were also Irish Catholics.
Tariq Sadiq, the BBC's lawyer, asked Mr Quinn why he had not raised concerns over findings of an appeal into a number of grievances about his employment.
"I had no confidence in the BBC disciplinary process and I don't recall putting an awful lot of time and effort into it. I didn't see much point in going and putting all my energy into that," he said.
The tribunal continues.
Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/jerome-quinn-i-was-bypassed-as-presenter-for-bbc-shows-14792660.html#ixzz0n4Be8FPv
This seems to be turning into the expected sorry affair.
I have to agree with mournerambler. I wouldn't expect to get away with slagging my employers online. Regardless of what was happening in his job, he was a professional and should have acted as such.
The whole 'Mr GAA' thing also suggests an inflated sense if self-importance, both within the BBC and as part of the wider GAA community.
Can't see any way he could win this one.
It appears to me JQ is the author pf his own downfall 9apparently he was anythoing but easy to work with) and is using his MR GAA self image and the alleged mistreatment of him as anti Chatolic to try and gain some financial compensation foe his dismissal.
If he has such a strong case aqnd had been geviously mistreated why are so many of the well known GAA legal luminaries conspicous by their absense from the case.
This does not, of course, mean that the BBC does not have an anti GAA bias - all you have to do is look at the relative strengths of Soccer and GAA and count up the 'on air' hours devoted to the subjects
Were did the 'Mr GAA' thing come from, did he say that everyone is to call him this (Paul Ince called me Govnur style), or did someone on here come up with this name and then use it as a stick to beat him with?
The BBC is a tightly monitored organisation, he was naive to think that any communication in or out might not get picked up. He would have been better logging on from home and if he was to say anything against the BBC use an obscure login, if anyone said anything claim it was the missus who must have logged the comments that he knew nothing about them.
Is it illegal to say something against your employer even if you believe it to be true? freedom of speech? or is there something in the law (or in his contract) which states he must not say anything that could be construed as negative?
why didnt he employ professional advisors during his hearing. he unfortunately keeps goin over old ground and the religious biased card. i think he will end up with egg on his face. a good lad, means well but boring is a nice comment.
Quote from: thewanderer on May 06, 2010, 12:16:51 PM
why didnt he employ professional advisors during his hearing. he unfortunately keeps goin over old ground and the religious biased card. i think he will end up with egg on his face. a good lad, means well but boring is a nice comment.
Either he can't justify paying a Barrister or he's looking for a sympathy vote by representing himself, every time I read the IN report on the previous days' evidence, Jerome does sound like a broken record, bottom line is that the BBC Barrister is a Professional of employment law I'd imagine, a highly paid individual & I will hassard a guess that he was quite happy to see 'Mr GAA' representing himself, any man who earns circa £300 per hour as a lawyer would surely clap his hands at the prospect of having an 'ordinary five 8th' tied up in knots due to his inadequacies in giving evidence or having his case properly prepared in regards to dates etc.
Quote from: mournerambler on May 06, 2010, 01:20:14 PM
Quote from: thewanderer on May 06, 2010, 12:16:51 PM
why didnt he employ professional advisors during his hearing. he unfortunately keeps goin over old ground and the religious biased card. i think he will end up with egg on his face. a good lad, means well but boring is a nice comment.
Either he can't justify paying a Barrister or he's looking for a sympathy vote by representing himself, every time I read the IN report on the previous days' evidence, Jerome does sound like a broken record, bottom line is that the BBC Barrister is a Professional of employment law I'd imagine, a highly paid individual & I will hassard a guess that he was quite happy to see 'Mr GAA' representing himself, any man who earns circa £300 per hour as a lawyer would surely clap his hands at the prospect of having an 'ordinary five 8th' tied up in knots due to his inadequacies in giving evidence or having his case properly prepared in regards to dates etc.
Without commenting directly on the case I think that it would not be unusual for an employee to represent themselves in such as case as if they now have no income they would be unable to afford proper representation. Other well know legal people may, or may not, be giving him advice but they have there own income to earn and would be unlikely to give up 2 or 3 weeks fee income.
On a separate point would it have been more financially prudent for the BBC to pay him some compensation, with a clause to keep quiet, than to use licence payers money to pay barristers to defend the case. There is no guarantee of success or costs being awarded.
The whole bias of the BBC is not against one person Mr Quinn but against the whole GAA/Catholic tradition.
I believe that Mr Quinn knows this. And the only way the story will get out is if more light is shed onto it.
The GAA Coverage has been pegged back over the last number of years, but as soon as this case started to gain media attention they announced that they were in the middle of finishing a deal for the TV rights of more Matches.
The BBC keep using this "SEASON TICKET" show as a way of saying we do give Catholic and GAA people a voice, when in a way if it wasnt for osin mc conville, John Duddy and Barney Eastwood they wouldnt have a pile to show on that show.
If Rory Mciroy farts its on the BBC but St Galls didnt get alot of media attention until the week of the All ireland Club Final.
I belive Mr Quinn just wants to shine the light on the whole thing, and maybe get abit of tin out of it.
and for the record, Ive met Jerome and he was always a gentleman, I wish him all the best.
Quote from: The Hammer on May 06, 2010, 02:30:10 PM
If Rory Mciroy farts its on the BBC
Will there be repeats?
Quote from: Throw ball on May 06, 2010, 01:40:42 PM
On a separate point would it have been more financially prudent for the BBC to pay him some compensation, with a clause to keep quiet, than to use licence payers money to pay barristers to defend the case. There is no guarantee of success or costs being awarded.
That would put the BBC in a permanent state of liability towards any charge of "its not fair".
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2010, 06:58:40 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on May 06, 2010, 01:40:42 PM
On a separate point would it have been more financially prudent for the BBC to pay him some compensation, with a clause to keep quiet, than to use licence payers money to pay barristers to defend the case. There is no guarantee of success or costs being awarded.
That would put the BBC in a permanent state of liability towards any charge of "its not fair".
Exactly. Such a move would open the floodgates.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 05, 2010, 03:47:34 PM
Belly telly
The former face of BBC Northern Ireland's GAA coverage has told an industrial tribunal he failed to raise concerns about disciplinary proceedings against him because he had lost faith in the process.
Jerome Quinn, who was sacked last year after he was discovered criticising the BBC in anonymous web posts, is alleging unfair dismissal and discrimination on the grounds of his Irish Catholic identity.
Tariq Sadiq, the BBC's lawyer, asked Mr Quinn why he had not raised concerns over findings of an appeal into a number of grievances about his employment.
"I had no confidence in the BBC disciplinary process and I don't recall putting an awful lot of time and effort into it. I didn't see much point in going and putting all my energy into that," he said.
The tribunal continues.
That would appear to take the bottom away from his complaint.
Unless he can support his "no confidence" with a reasonable argument, he will have a tough time with case if his employer can prove they followed proper procedure.
Hold on - Shane Glynn is gay?
Quote from: Maiden1 on May 06, 2010, 12:03:55 PM
Were did the 'Mr GAA' thing come from, did he say that everyone is to call him this (Paul Ince called me Govnur style), or did someone on here come up with this name and then use it as a stick to beat him with?
It comes from JQ himself. However he is not proclaiming himself to be Mr GAA (as some posters here have rambled about), on the contrary, he used to term to describe how he was regarded by what he regards as the anti-GAA elite inside the BBC in his 14 page statement presented to the tribunal
"(I received) less favourable treatment than if I was Protestant, British and not associated with the GAA," he told the panel, insisting he was "subjected to harassment on religious and racial grounds". Mr Quinn accused his bosses of reducing the prime-time coverage of Gaelic games and having a "negative approach to GAA reportage".
"(There was) an increase in Protestant-followed sport and decrease in GAA which disadvantaged Catholics," he said.
This directly affected him: "As I was Mr GAA."
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2010, 08:36:11 PM
It comes from JQ himself. However he is not proclaiming himself to be Mr GAA
Jerome:
Quote"I was Mr GAA."
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2010, 08:36:11 PM
It comes from JQ himself. However he is not proclaiming himself to be Mr GAA (as some posters here have rambled about)
I've read the quote numerous times now. That's how he saw himself within BBC.
He did more harm to the GAA than he did good. Remember Datsun Donaghy ffs. I'd have taken GAA coverage off the BBC myself if that was the best he could come up with
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 06, 2010, 09:52:33 PM
He did more harm to the GAA than he did good. Remember Datsun Donaghy ffs. I'd have taken GAA coverage off the BBC myself if that was the best he could come up with
:D
Quote from: red hander on May 06, 2010, 10:34:50 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 06, 2010, 09:52:33 PM
He did more harm to the GAA than he did good. Remember Datsun Donaghy ffs. I'd have taken GAA coverage off the BBC myself if that was the best he could come up with
:D
Datsun Donaghy was unreal.
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 06, 2010, 10:48:23 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 06, 2010, 10:34:50 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 06, 2010, 09:52:33 PM
He did more harm to the GAA than he did good. Remember Datsun Donaghy ffs. I'd have taken GAA coverage off the BBC myself if that was the best he could come up with
:D
Datsun Donaghy was unreal.
unreal is one word you could use to describe him
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2010, 09:50:48 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2010, 08:36:11 PM
It comes from JQ himself. However he is not proclaiming himself to be Mr GAA (as some posters here have rambled about)
I've read the quote numerous times now. That's how he saw himself within BBC.
All I can say is that you are totally missing the understanding of the context of the expression, by a country mile.
Context is 99%.
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/96473 (http://www.indymedia.ie/article/96473)
I have not met the man at all, if anybody who has met him can sincerely testify that he is the type to proclaim himself Mr GAA, then I will consider that the least likely interpretation has some merit.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2010, 09:50:48 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2010, 08:36:11 PM
It comes from JQ himself. However he is not proclaiming himself to be Mr GAA (as some posters here have rambled about)
I've read the quote numerous times now. That's how he saw himself within BBC.
In fairness I think that's not a bad assessment of his role within the BBC at that time. If I am correct did sidebottom not spend most of his time commentating during Quinn's tenure?
Quote from: Franko on May 06, 2010, 11:17:32 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2010, 09:50:48 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2010, 08:36:11 PM
It comes from JQ himself. However he is not proclaiming himself to be Mr GAA (as some posters here have rambled about)
I've read the quote numerous times now. That's how he saw himself within BBC.
In fairness I think that's not a bad assessment of his role within the BBC at that time. If I am correct did sidebottom not spend most of his time commentating during Quinn's tenure?
Jerome never proclaimed to be Mr. GAA in Ulster or anything, what he meant was that within the BBC he was Mr GAA i.e. was in charge of anything GAA orientated in the BBC. I cant understand why people are slating him on here, when clearly in his tenure with the BBC he done everything possible to promote the GAA but was stymied at every opportunity by the unionist bigotted organisation that it was / is. The Tyrone County Final for example in 2008 remained a news item for 5 solid days due to the controversial incident at the end, how much coverage did all the other county finals get that year??? Just compare it to the incident at the Newry Larne Irish Cup game this year which was by far a much more serious incident including a running kick to the head of a player who was lying prostrate on the ground, leading to the abandonment of the game, how much coverage did this get.
This was the type of bigotry that Jerome was constantly fighting against, we cant blame Jerome for taking the BBC to court. Ok his arguments may not all be right, but the crux of his argument is!
I agree MR99 why do we always look for faults in our own?
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2010, 07:02:22 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2010, 06:58:40 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on May 06, 2010, 01:40:42 PM
On a separate point would it have been more financially prudent for the BBC to pay him some compensation, with a clause to keep quiet, than to use licence payers money to pay barristers to defend the case. There is no guarantee of success or costs being awarded.
That would put the BBC in a permanent state of liability towards any charge of "its not fair".
Exactly. Such a move would open the floodgates.
In theory you are correct. However, if no publicity was allowed as part of the agreement that would reduce the effect. Also, if Jerome does win does that open the floodgates too? On saying that in the current climate how many employees will say 'I am going to take my employer up so that I can get a few bob'? Most people will keep their heads down and work on so as to keep a job!
Quote from: MR99 on May 07, 2010, 10:18:33 AM
Quote from: Franko on May 06, 2010, 11:17:32 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2010, 09:50:48 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2010, 08:36:11 PM
It comes from JQ himself. However he is not proclaiming himself to be Mr GAA (as some posters here have rambled about)
I've read the quote numerous times now. That's how he saw himself within BBC.
In fairness I think that's not a bad assessment of his role within the BBC at that time. If I am correct did sidebottom not spend most of his time commentating during Quinn's tenure?
Jerome never proclaimed to be Mr. GAA in Ulster or anything, what he meant was that within the BBC he was Mr GAA i.e. was in charge of anything GAA orientated in the BBC. I cant understand why people are slating him on here, when clearly in his tenure with the BBC he done everything possible to promote the GAA but was stymied at every opportunity by the unionist bigotted organisation that it was / is. The Tyrone County Final for example in 2008 remained a news item for 5 solid days due to the controversial incident at the end, how much coverage did all the other county finals get that year??? Just compare it to the incident at the Newry Larne Irish Cup game this year which was by far a much more serious incident including a running kick to the head of a player who was lying prostrate on the ground, leading to the abandonment of the game, how much coverage did this get.
This was the type of bigotry that Jerome was constantly fighting against, we cant blame Jerome for taking the BBC to court. Ok his arguments may not all be right, but the crux of his argument is!
You are suggesting that the crux of this tribunal is about the BBCs substandard GAA coverage, rather than alleged racial and sectarian discrimination that culminated in unfair dismissal?
as with every story there are many sides and it appears that Shane Glynn is getting the chance to get his say, adn he does a good job in the Irish news today...fundmentally, JQ should have had more sense. Whilst the BBC may not have the GAA at the top of its list, JQ should have had more cop on. I dont think his behaviour in all of this has been exemplary. There are several Catholic presenters at the BBC - Thoms Kane can do the coverage of the soccer, albeit, bland as f**k, and keep the head down...as can Siders and Thomas Niblock. Austin O Callaghan is excellent.
The big question about JQ is did he fall? was he pushed? or was he just not that good?
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on May 07, 2010, 06:16:07 PM
as with every story there are many sides and it appears that Shane Glynn is getting the chance to get his say, adn he does a good job in the Irish news today...fundmentally, JQ should have had more sense. Whilst the BBC may not have the GAA at the top of its list, JQ should have had more cop on. I dont think his behaviour in all of this has been exemplary. There are several Catholic presenters at the BBC - Thoms Kane can do the coverage of the soccer, albeit, bland as f**k, and keep the head down...as can Siders and Thomas Niblock. Austin O Callaghan is excellent.
The big question about JQ is did he fall? was he pushed? or was he just not that good?
Couldn't agree more NBA.
At the start of this case i had a bit of sympathy for Jerome's case, especially about the lack of attention for GAA. The discrimination angle was intriguing too. But it's not looking good for Jerome. Whatever about their coverage of GAA, the BBC have produced a few facts and points that would seem to strongly contradict Jerome's argument about this being discrimination.
And Glynn's point that JQ was employed as a presenter to cover all sports, not just the GAA, i'd say wouldn't help his case either.
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2010, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2010, 09:50:48 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2010, 08:36:11 PM
It comes from JQ himself. However he is not proclaiming himself to be Mr GAA (as some posters here have rambled about)
I've read the quote numerous times now. That's how he saw himself within BBC.
All I can say is that you are totally missing the understanding of the context of the expression, by a country mile.
Yesterday's report in the Irish News would indicate again that he thought he was MrGAA. Shane Glynn referred to JQ making references to 'representing' the GAA community and being the BBC's GAA man. Comes across again as inflated sense of self importance.
Also, the BBC may have a good legal team, but I don't know how much they'll need them if the facts and figures put forward by Glynn are supported by evidence.
Irish News reporting this morning that according to the evidence from the BBC, Jerome would still have been working for the BBC but for his ill advised posts on this board.
I thought it was Hoganstand that he was posting on.
Quote from: Club Rossa on May 11, 2010, 11:56:42 AM
I thought it was Hoganstand that he was posting on.
I thought it was this board to be honest. Maybe it was Hoganstand - but it's hard to believe that a discussion board lost him his job.
yip it was the hogan stand board,think alot of people put alot of self importance with this particular board.
Quote from: isourboydownyet on May 11, 2010, 12:03:17 PM
yip it was the hogan stand board,think alot of people put alot of self importance with this particular board.
I am almost certain it was this board !!
Hoganstand was mentioned in the Irish News coverage of the case.
JQ definitely posted on this board. It was no secret who he was either.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 08, 2010, 12:02:08 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2010, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2010, 09:50:48 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 06, 2010, 08:36:11 PM
It comes from JQ himself. However he is not proclaiming himself to be Mr GAA (as some posters here have rambled about)
I've read the quote numerous times now. That's how he saw himself within BBC.
All I can say is that you are totally missing the understanding of the context of the expression, by a country mile.
Yesterday's report in the Irish News would indicate again that he thought he was MrGAA. Shane Glynn referred to JQ making references to 'representing' the GAA community and being the BBC's GAA man. Comes across again as inflated sense of self importance.
The question was did he refer to himself as Mr GAA. The source was his opening delivery to the tribunal.
That is what we are looking at. That is the direct evidence that posters here are jumping on.
To my understanding, the self proclaimed Mr GAA tag, hung on Jerome's neck, is a load of bollix. I have explained use of Mr Gaa in the context in his opening delivery but I can't impose an understanding of context to you.
If you have some other source then post the link or quote the source accurately
So far nobody here has come forward to support the so called self proclaimed Mr GAA tag.
I am surprised there are 23 pages on this.
It's like this, Jerome broke the company's policy by denigrating them on a forum. He got sacked. The end.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 11, 2010, 10:12:50 PM
I am surprised there are 23 pages on this.
It's like this, Jerome broke the company's policy by denigrating them on a forum. He got sacked. The end.
Not quite IMO.
Although I think he'll lose he wants to show the BBC for what they are.
He wants to highlight the discrimination there was and is towards all things GAA.
Logie got UTV in the end.
Dare I say it but all Ulster championship games were on live last year and will be this year, also McRory Cup and is reports of games. Wat do we want? Is more live GAA games than Irish league soccer which I think only shows the cup final.
Also according to report today 67% of money allocated to sport goes into GAA coverage. I know it was terrible but things definently have improved a lot.
Ok-fire away... I'm in a bunker!
Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 11, 2010, 10:30:43 PM
Dare I say it but all Ulster championship games were on live last year and will be this year, also McRory Cup and is reports of games. Wat do we want? Is more live GAA games than Irish league soccer which I think only shows the cup final.
Also according to report today 67% of money allocated to sport goes into GAA coverage. I know it was terrible but things definently have improved a lot.
Ok-fire away... I'm in a bunker!
The natives wont be happy until all the McKenna Cup matches are also live Fox.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 11, 2010, 10:30:43 PM
Dare I say it but all Ulster championship games were on live last year and will be this year, also McRory Cup and is reports of games. Wat do we want? Is more live GAA games than Irish league soccer which I think only shows the cup final.
Also according to report today 67% of money allocated to sport goes into GAA coverage. I know it was terrible but things definently have improved a lot.
Ok-fire away... I'm in a bunker!
I must have missed all of it.
you have a point there fox, but i think it's the negative way they highlight the GAA which is the main gripe. Someone mentioned the McKenna Cup there, wont get a mention on a Monday, but if there was a 30 man melee it would be news headlines, not just sport headlines.
The question was did he refer to himself as Mr GAA.
So far nobody here has come forward to support the so called self proclaimed Mr GAA tag.
Another equally valid question is 'is he trying to associate himself with the Mr GAA tag' in the eyes of the wider public?
The world of PR is a specialised and professional one involving misleading hype, smoke and mirrors and JQ is a professional member of this business. He does not, I suggest, act in ignorance of that fact.
I have no doubt that he understands sowing the suggestion that he is 'MR GAA' in any forum, esp one that will get lots of attention, willl help lead many into associating him with that tag.
This thread is probably the best example of how such an approach can confuse. Dispite confusion and regardless of the outcome of the case I believe he calculates that the tag hve sticability and potentially lead to future kudos.
In this respect he gets my credit because he is on a win win. Win the case and he becomes the GAA minnow that took on and beat the Golaith BEEB, lose and he becomes MR GAA Martyr. Clever stategy I say.
You can talk about Mr GAA this and that but Jerome Quinn has been incredibly naiave in this whole predicament.
To post against your employer like that in the internet was an incredibly stupid thing to do.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 11, 2010, 10:48:57 PM
You can talk about Mr GAA this and that but Jerome Quinn has been incredibly naiave in this whole predicament.
To post against your employer like that in the internet was an incredibly stupid thing to do.
Nail on head. HR departments and managers thrive on this sort of stupid things to do on the internerd
He was caught out posting on here, was pissed off and decided to take them on over an 'issue' that isn't really an issue at all -
ffs Cavanagh got sportsman of the year
The Beed show plenty Ulster GAA throughout the year
Sidebottom, Kane, Niblock all are GAA men working there now. Such real discrimination to him and all things GAA, his 'case' will be picked apart bit by bit and nothing good will come of it.
It's like a lot of GAA people want to feel discriminated against by the BBC but the facts currently don't back this up.
There are things which would annoy you about the GAA coverage. I would feel there seems to be a slant on the GAA coverage to spend more time on the negatives than the positives.
That being said they have nearly all the ulster matches live now and coverage has improved.
Gaelic games are the most popular sports in the north. The scenario the other year with the ulster club c'ship was a joke given how popular it is relative to any other "6 county" sport.
It's improved since and is getting better but it has a bit to go yet. Being treated as second class is no good in this day and age.
But just to reaffirm what I said before - Jerome Quinn has been very naiave here and pretty much doesn't have a case IMO.
Quote67% of BBC Sport live output budget on GAA
One wonders what arrangements they have with RTE though. Ulster championship games are often filmed by BBC crews and the pics used by RTE. Perhaps they spend 67% of the budget on GAA but get half back through "sales".
Quote from: armaghniac on May 12, 2010, 12:34:14 AM
Quote67% of BBC Sport live output budget on GAA
One wonders what arrangements they have with RTE though. Ulster championship games are often filmed by BBC crews and the pics used by RTE. Perhaps they spend 67% of the budget on GAA but get half back through "sales".
Distinctly possible and if so, it goes back to Jerome's niavety in underestimating the legal and PR team that the beeb command. If he gets a chance at rebuttal, that's exactly what he should ask
Has anybody heard if the beeb has pulled An Domhnach Mor/The Big Sunday the bi-lingual programme on a Sunday evening after the matches?
BBC fights back !!
Peter Canavan has been recruited to join the BBC Championship team this summer.
62 GAA Discussion / GAA Discussion / Re: UTV & BBC on: August 30, 2007, 11:15:27 AM
who the heck is this guy and what planet is he on?! He obviously hasn't a clue about sport or what gaelic means to people. For a start, he doesn't mention the serious coverage of local soccer every saturday on final score on bbc tv, sending cameras to every single game for the whole irish league season. he doesn't mention season ticket which was mainly soccer and rugby over most of the year. and he doesn't even mention the gaa tv coverage of the ulster championship, which you would think he would be crowing about. As for 36 gaa games on radio, he is having a laugh. radio ulster all-but ignores club games and all of the radio shows were shunted around different starting times and kept on medium wave, while the saturday radio is always on both wavelengths and a much more professional show. in short, this guy is full of management speak nonsense and if he is making decisions, then i can understand why the bbc is seen as being so anti-gaa this last while.
See this has been described as 'cyber bullying'
BBC sign up Canavan
Former Tyrone great Peter Canavan
12 May 2010
Tyrone football legend Peter Canavan will provide analysis on the BBC Northern Ireland's championship coverage this summer.
While ex-Armagh midfielder Jarlath Burns and former Donegal star Martin McHugh have been retained as the anchor pundits, the BBC has confirmed that Canavan "will join the studio team over the course of the campaign".
The 2003 All-Ireland winning captain writes a monthly column for hoganstand.com and has also worked as a pundit for TV3 in the past.
Austin O'Callaghan will host the BBC shows and Thomas Kane will act as a sideline reporter. Commentary will be provided by Mark Sidebottom.
The BBC will show all of this summer's Ulster SFC games live, beginning next Sunday when Derry and Armagh meet in Celtic Park. Coverage starts on BBC2 at 1.45pm.
http://www.hoganstand.com/antrim/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=128538
Commentary by Mark Sidebottom - I can hardly wait.
He's no Micheál Ó Muircheartaigh. Worse still - he's no Ger Canning!! That mono tone voice makes one of the most exciting spectacles sound like paint drying. If the British were serious about their coverage of gaelic games they would at least provide a half decent commentator!!
Quote from: funtime frankie on May 12, 2010, 01:30:14 PM
Commentary by Mark Sidebottom - I can hardly wait.
He's no Micheál Ó Muircheartaigh. Worse still - he's no Ger Canning!! That mono tone voice makes one of the most exciting spectacles sound like paint drying. If the British were serious about their coverage of gaelic games they would at least provide a half decent commentator!!
Hopefully he'll have Enda Gormley as his co-commentator ::) Two quality commentators ;)
Quote from: Take Your Points on May 12, 2010, 12:06:06 AM
Interesting that it is quoted at the tribunal by IN and apparently unopposed:
67% of BBC Sport live output budget on GAA
18% on Rugby
15% on local soccer
Does RTE price further GAA coverage off our screens?
Interesting that the claim wasn't opposed. I'd say the key here is the
live output bit. Presumably the cost of sending camera crews to all the local soccer games isn't factored in, as they aren't broadcast live. Similarly for that kids competition in Coleraine and the golf. NI soccer games probably don't come into it, as that's international and excluded from the
local soccer budget.
What I don't understand is those three percentages total 100%, but what about the bike race in Coleraine, surely the wall to wall coverage it's getting would take up a fair proportion of their budget, but it's not accounted for?
The BBC don't pay RTE for the video footage of the Ulster Championship, so what is the money spent on and who is it paid to?
Quote from: funtime frankie on May 12, 2010, 01:30:14 PM
Commentary by Mark Sidebottom - I can hardly wait.
Be better off with one of those children that do the McCrory "fans commentary".
Quote from: orangeman on May 12, 2010, 09:20:49 AM
BBC fights back !!
Peter Canavan has been recruited to join the BBC Championship team this summer.
Thank the good Lord for that. They have finally got someone who knows something about football. Those other two idiots would turn milk.
Quote from: Ulick on May 12, 2010, 02:34:13 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on May 12, 2010, 12:06:06 AM
Interesting that it is quoted at the tribunal by IN and apparently unopposed:
67% of BBC Sport live output budget on GAA
18% on Rugby
15% on local soccer
Does RTE price further GAA coverage off our screens?
Interesting that the claim wasn't opposed. I'd say the key here is the live output bit. Presumably the cost of sending camera crews to all the local soccer games isn't factored in, as they aren't broadcast live. Similarly for that kids competition in Coleraine and the golf. NI soccer games probably don't come into it, as that's international and excluded from the local soccer budget.
What I don't understand is those three percentages total 100%, but what about the bike race in Coleraine, surely the wall to wall coverage it's getting would take up a fair proportion of their budget, but it's not accounted for?
The BBC don't pay RTE for the video footage of the Ulster Championship, so what is the money spent on and who is it paid to?
Exactly what I was thinking ...lies damn lies and statistics. The BBC offer these little live portals for GAA people to tap into, but they do their best to keep coverage reporting away from the wider audience
They're no dopes
Quote from: Ulick on May 12, 2010, 02:34:13 PM
I'd say the key here is the live output bit. Presumably the cost of sending camera crews to all the local soccer games isn't factored in, as they aren't broadcast live.
I was wondering, are the local soccer highlights from BBC cameras? I don't know myself and was just wondering if it was possible that the footage was provided by the IFA?
The BBC manage to get GAA footage where games weren't covered by themselves (or RTE) so is it possible that someone else is covering the soccer and providing highlights to the BBC?
I'm sure most gaa fans will turn to the rte broadcast on sunday rather listen to the bbc crap commentators and analyst's excluding big jarlath of course. wee peter was crap on tv3 just like big rough Joe.
Quote from: Ulick on May 12, 2010, 02:34:13 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on May 12, 2010, 12:06:06 AM
Interesting that it is quoted at the tribunal by IN and apparently unopposed:
67% of BBC Sport live output budget on GAA
18% on Rugby
15% on local soccer
Does RTE price further GAA coverage off our screens?
Interesting that the claim wasn't opposed. I'd say the key here is the live output bit. Presumably the cost of sending camera crews to all the local soccer games isn't factored in, as they aren't broadcast live. Similarly for that kids competition in Coleraine and the golf. NI soccer games probably don't come into it, as that's international and excluded from the local soccer budget.
What I don't understand is those three percentages total 100%, but what about the bike race in Coleraine, surely the wall to wall coverage it's getting would take up a fair proportion of their budget, but it's not accounted for?
The BBC don't pay RTE for the video footage of the Ulster Championship, so what is the money spent on and who is it paid to?
The stats smell like a spin.
But the BBC would have to send some cameras to the GAA games that they cover live, for their game/punditry presentation and their interviews pitch-side.
Are you sure that the BBC do not have pay anything for the live feed from the RTE cameras?
Quote from: Ulick on May 12, 2010, 02:34:13 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on May 12, 2010, 12:06:06 AM
Interesting that it is quoted at the tribunal by IN and apparently unopposed:
67% of BBC Sport live output budget on GAA
18% on Rugby
15% on local soccer
Does RTE price further GAA coverage off our screens?
Interesting that the claim wasn't opposed. I'd say the key here is the live output bit. Presumably the cost of sending camera crews to all the local soccer games isn't factored in, as they aren't broadcast live. Similarly for that kids competition in Coleraine and the golf. NI soccer games probably don't come into it, as that's international and excluded from the local soccer budget.
What I don't understand is those three percentages total 100%, but what about the bike race in Coleraine, surely the wall to wall coverage it's getting would take up a fair proportion of their budget, but it's not accounted for?
The BBC don't pay RTE for the video footage of the Ulster Championship, so what is the money spent on and who is it paid to?
would that be ireland's boggest sporting event you're talking about?
jerome you f---ed up big time. too late bringing it evidence now, why oh why didn't you get professional advise.
Quote from: thewanderer on May 13, 2010, 03:51:30 PM
jerome you f---ed up big time. too late bringing it evidence now, why oh why didn't you get professional advise.
Looks like they might get him technically and procedurally.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on May 12, 2010, 10:41:58 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 12, 2010, 09:20:49 AM
BBC fights back !!
Peter Canavan has been recruited to join the BBC Championship team this summer.
Thank the good Lord for that. They have finally got someone who knows something about football. Those other two idiots would turn milk.
At least they look human, Canavan looks like something out of star trek ffs.
Quote from: Ulick on May 12, 2010, 02:34:13 PM
The BBC don't pay RTE for the video footage of the Ulster Championship, so what is the money spent on and who is it paid to?
But it's generally BBC trucks at the Ulster games - is it not their cameras?
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 13, 2010, 07:45:58 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 12, 2010, 02:34:13 PM
The BBC don't pay RTE for the video footage of the Ulster Championship, so what is the money spent on and who is it paid to?
But it's generally BBC trucks at the Ulster games - is it not their cameras?
Each outside broadcast for an Ulster Championship match costs the BBC in the range of £25,000 to £30,000.
Quote from: stew on May 13, 2010, 07:06:08 PM
At least they look human, Canavan looks like something out of star trek ffs.
Aye stew, he was out of this world in the 2005 AI semi indeed ;)
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 13, 2010, 07:45:58 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 12, 2010, 02:34:13 PM
The BBC don't pay RTE for the video footage of the Ulster Championship, so what is the money spent on and who is it paid to?
But it's generally BBC trucks at the Ulster games - is it not their cameras?
Am sure the BBC are there as well with their broadcast gear, but the BBC camera work on the matches themselves are not hard to spot. I think they did one game last year and one or two the year before. The BBC camera men, presumably more suited to soccer are usually a few seconds behind the action, camera angle too close to the man on the ball to see what is going on round them and after the ball has been passed it's like watching the golf as they pan about in the air trying to find the ball. Suppose we we should be grateful the are getting it done for them ex-gratia.
Jerome Quinn sacked for 'not being impartial'
Thursday, 13 May 2010
A BBC GAA sports presenter was sacked because he had compromised his impartiality by sending blogs criticising the corporation, an industrial tribunal has been told.
Co Tyrone man Jerome Quinn, once the self-styled face of BBC Northern Ireland's GAA coverage, is claiming unfair dismissal and racial and religious discrimination after he was sacked last year over the blogs criticising how the broadcaster treated the sport.
On the final day of evidence from the BBC, head of radio news Kathleen Carragher said the decision to dismiss Mr Quinn, a Catholic, was "not taken lightly" but that the blogs by Mr Quinn amounted to gross misconduct.
The tribunal heard that sports presenter Stephen Watson had witnessed Mr Quinn writing the blogs while at work.
The blogs meant Mr Quinn could no longer be viewed as impartial, Ms Carragher said. "The BBC has a very privileged position because we are a public service broadcaster and we have a duty to the licence payer to deliver news in an impartial and fair manner and if you are a BBC journalist you have to be impartial... and I felt Jerome had not subscribed to that," she said.
Mr Quinn previously said he felt sidelined after Shane Glynn took over as sports editor because he had less TV work and was given early morning shifts on Radio Ulster. Miss Carragher said presenters could feel sidelined "if a new editor wants to do something new with a new face".
But Mr Quinn's role of early morning radio reports was not evidence of that. "I don't consider doing reports on (morning news show) Good Morning Ulster as being sidelined."
Both sides are set to give their final submissions to the panel tribunal today though judgment is expected to be reserved for some weeks.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/jerome-quinn-sacked-for-lsquonot-being-impartialrsquo-14806002.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/jerome-quinn-sacked-for-lsquonot-being-impartialrsquo-14806002.html)
What a snivelling wee cnut. Would you do that to a co-worker?
Ulick you're a terrible man for taking British media outlets such as the Belfast Telegraph as gospel. You really need to open your eyes to the power of propaganda and stop publicising such organisations.
Quote from: ONeill on May 14, 2010, 12:38:02 AM
Ulick you're a terrible man for taking British media outlets such as the Belfast Telegraph as gospel. You really need to open your eyes to the power of propaganda and stop publicising such organisations.
Has O'Reilly sold it already? Apologies, didn't realise.
Quote from: Ulick on May 13, 2010, 11:49:22 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 13, 2010, 07:45:58 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 12, 2010, 02:34:13 PM
The BBC don't pay RTE for the video footage of the Ulster Championship, so what is the money spent on and who is it paid to?
But it's generally BBC trucks at the Ulster games - is it not their cameras?
Am sure the BBC are there as well with their broadcast gear, but the BBC camera work on the matches themselves are not hard to spot.
But where are RTE? You don't normally see their trucks at the Ulster games at all.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 14, 2010, 07:45:40 AM
Quote from: Ulick on May 13, 2010, 11:49:22 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 13, 2010, 07:45:58 PM
Quote from: Ulick on May 12, 2010, 02:34:13 PM
The BBC don't pay RTE for the video footage of the Ulster Championship, so what is the money spent on and who is it paid to?
But it's generally BBC trucks at the Ulster games - is it not their cameras?
Am sure the BBC are there as well with their broadcast gear, but the BBC camera work on the matches themselves are not hard to spot.
But where are RTE? You don't normally see their trucks at the Ulster games at all.
In the car park? I never see the trucks from either.
Quote from: Ulick on May 14, 2010, 12:29:48 AM
Jerome Quinn sacked for 'not being impartial'
Thursday, 13 May 2010
A BBC GAA sports presenter was sacked because he had compromised his impartiality by sending blogs criticising the corporation, an industrial tribunal has been told.
Co Tyrone man Jerome Quinn, once the self-styled face of BBC Northern Ireland's GAA coverage, is claiming unfair dismissal and racial and religious discrimination after he was sacked last year over the blogs criticising how the broadcaster treated the sport.
On the final day of evidence from the BBC, head of radio news Kathleen Carragher said the decision to dismiss Mr Quinn, a Catholic, was "not taken lightly" but that the blogs by Mr Quinn amounted to gross misconduct.
The tribunal heard that sports presenter Stephen Watson had witnessed Mr Quinn writing the blogs while at work.
The blogs meant Mr Quinn could no longer be viewed as impartial, Ms Carragher said. "The BBC has a very privileged position because we are a public service broadcaster and we have a duty to the licence payer to deliver news in an impartial and fair manner and if you are a BBC journalist you have to be impartial... and I felt Jerome had not subscribed to that," she said.
Mr Quinn previously said he felt sidelined after Shane Glynn took over as sports editor because he had less TV work and was given early morning shifts on Radio Ulster. Miss Carragher said presenters could feel sidelined "if a new editor wants to do something new with a new face".
But Mr Quinn's role of early morning radio reports was not evidence of that. "I don't consider doing reports on (morning news show) Good Morning Ulster as being sidelined."
Both sides are set to give their final submissions to the panel tribunal today though judgment is expected to be reserved for some weeks.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/jerome-quinn-sacked-for-lsquonot-being-impartialrsquo-14806002.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/jerome-quinn-sacked-for-lsquonot-being-impartialrsquo-14806002.html)
What a snivelling wee cnut. Would you do that to a co-worker?
There's a word for people who grass on each other. And it's not whistleblower !!!
Quote from: orangeman on May 14, 2010, 09:34:09 AM
Quote from: Ulick on May 14, 2010, 12:29:48 AM
Jerome Quinn sacked for 'not being impartial'
Thursday, 13 May 2010
A BBC GAA sports presenter was sacked because he had compromised his impartiality by sending blogs criticising the corporation, an industrial tribunal has been told.
Co Tyrone man Jerome Quinn, once the self-styled face of BBC Northern Ireland's GAA coverage, is claiming unfair dismissal and racial and religious discrimination after he was sacked last year over the blogs criticising how the broadcaster treated the sport.
On the final day of evidence from the BBC, head of radio news Kathleen Carragher said the decision to dismiss Mr Quinn, a Catholic, was "not taken lightly" but that the blogs by Mr Quinn amounted to gross misconduct.
The tribunal heard that sports presenter Stephen Watson had witnessed Mr Quinn writing the blogs while at work.
The blogs meant Mr Quinn could no longer be viewed as impartial, Ms Carragher said. "The BBC has a very privileged position because we are a public service broadcaster and we have a duty to the licence payer to deliver news in an impartial and fair manner and if you are a BBC journalist you have to be impartial... and I felt Jerome had not subscribed to that," she said.
Mr Quinn previously said he felt sidelined after Shane Glynn took over as sports editor because he had less TV work and was given early morning shifts on Radio Ulster. Miss Carragher said presenters could feel sidelined "if a new editor wants to do something new with a new face".
But Mr Quinn's role of early morning radio reports was not evidence of that. "I don't consider doing reports on (morning news show) Good Morning Ulster as being sidelined."
Both sides are set to give their final submissions to the panel tribunal today though judgment is expected to be reserved for some weeks.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/jerome-quinn-sacked-for-lsquonot-being-impartialrsquo-14806002.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/jerome-quinn-sacked-for-lsquonot-being-impartialrsquo-14806002.html)
What a snivelling wee cnut. Would you do that to a co-worker?
There's a word for people who grass on each other. And it's not whistleblower !!!
Black Bag, Concession Road, end of :P
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 14, 2010, 10:12:32 AM
Quote from: orangeman on May 14, 2010, 09:34:09 AM
Quote from: Ulick on May 14, 2010, 12:29:48 AM
Jerome Quinn sacked for ‘not being impartial’
Thursday, 13 May 2010
A BBC GAA sports presenter was sacked because he had compromised his impartiality by sending blogs criticising the corporation, an industrial tribunal has been told.
Co Tyrone man Jerome Quinn, once the self-styled face of BBC Northern Ireland’s GAA coverage, is claiming unfair dismissal and racial and religious discrimination after he was sacked last year over the blogs criticising how the broadcaster treated the sport.
On the final day of evidence from the BBC, head of radio news Kathleen Carragher said the decision to dismiss Mr Quinn, a Catholic, was “not taken lightly” but that the blogs by Mr Quinn amounted to gross misconduct.
The tribunal heard that sports presenter Stephen Watson had witnessed Mr Quinn writing the blogs while at work.
The blogs meant Mr Quinn could no longer be viewed as impartial, Ms Carragher said. “The BBC has a very privileged position because we are a public service broadcaster and we have a duty to the licence payer to deliver news in an impartial and fair manner and if you are a BBC journalist you have to be impartial... and I felt Jerome had not subscribed to that,” she said.
Mr Quinn previously said he felt sidelined after Shane Glynn took over as sports editor because he had less TV work and was given early morning shifts on Radio Ulster. Miss Carragher said presenters could feel sidelined “if a new editor wants to do something new with a new face”.
But Mr Quinn’s role of early morning radio reports was not evidence of that. “I don’t consider doing reports on (morning news show) Good Morning Ulster as being sidelined.”
Both sides are set to give their final submissions to the panel tribunal today though judgment is expected to be reserved for some weeks.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/jerome-quinn-sacked-for-lsquonot-being-impartialrsquo-14806002.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/jerome-quinn-sacked-for-lsquonot-being-impartialrsquo-14806002.html)
What a snivelling wee cnut. Would you do that to a co-worker?
There's a word for people who grass on each other. And it's not whistleblower !!!
Black Bag, Concession Road, end of :P
The good oul days :P
It makes me laugh how the BBC are saying that Jerome was fired for not being impartial and that as a broadcaster he needed to be independent and now show favour to one side or another, when in fact it was the BBC who were discriminating wholesale against a huge section of the population and who led with rugby, cricket, socccer, motorbike racing etc etc etc and left GAA lagging behind.
The irony of it all.
There's some coverage of the MW200 this week !!!! Great isn't it ???? ;)
I want Steven Watson to front"The Championship" just to see how impartial he is.
Quote from: orangeman on May 14, 2010, 10:35:18 AM
It makes me laugh how the BBC are saying that Jerome was fired for not being impartial and that as a broadcaster he needed to be independent and now show favour to one side or another, when in fact it was the BBC who were discriminating wholesale against a huge section of the population and who led with rugby, cricket, socccer, motorbike racing etc etc etc and left GAA lagging behind.
The irony of it all.
There's some coverage of the MW200 this week !!!! Great isn't it ???? ;)
f**king hell, it was the headline story on Breakfast news this morning at 7.55am! WTF??
BBC breakfast this morning - local news: first item on the news - motorcyclists gearing up for the start of the NW200 tomorrow. This before any of the actual news.
I dont mind the NW, I've been to it a few times, but its boring as f**k, and its actually naueating how much it is forced down our throats. Wheres the impartiality there?
Quote from: haranguerer on May 14, 2010, 11:08:37 AM
BBC breakfast this morning - local news: first item on the news - motorcyclists gearing up for the start of the NW200 tomorrow. This before any of the actual news.
I dont mind the NW, I've been to it a few times, but its boring as f**k, and its actually naueating how much it is forced down our throats. Wheres the impartiality there?
There was none - that's what Jerome is trying to show / prove -
it's improving - but it was Jerome who tried to promote GAA within the BBC who have suffered as a result.
But he's up against it whenever yer woman Carragher comes out with the sort of stuff that she has said to the tribunal.
And she kept her face straight as well.
If Jerome's case makes the BBC more accountable and less discriminatory towards all things GAA, then it will have been a worthwhile exercise.
If Jerome gets a few quid off them, even better.
Quote from: orangeman on May 14, 2010, 03:07:49 PM
If Jerome's case makes the BBC more accountable and less discriminatory towards all things GAA, then it will have been a worthwhile exercise.
If Jerome gets a few quid off them, even better.
This case will do the ordinary GAA punter no harm at all in the long run, the beeb are now bending over backwards to prove they are not discriminatory and there is no doubt coverage has and will increase. Nothing to do with this case though ::)
I havent been on this board much recently, but I would like to offer my best wishes to Jerome who despite the outcome has helped bring to attention the shocking bias in BBC broadcasting over the years towards Gaelic Games. That is the ball I think I am going to play here; the ways and means that Jerome has sought to prove this bias with limited resources against the greater resources of the british broadcasting corporation and the ways and means that they have defended themselves to me is irrelevant but quite obviously the most important things to many others. I dont think Jerome ever had a chance of winning this one and I dont think he really believed he did. But I think he has sacrificed an awful lot to try and improve the lot of Gaelic Games supporters in the North who pay license fees annually to have their loved games, culture and purveyance of excellent community standards, dragged through the mud when our standards fall, but fail to see any degree of parity of treatrment amongst other the sporting organisation, never mind a proper positioning of the association by the so called neutral media broadcaster as N Irelands most important, inclusive and unique sporting provider. If Jerome hasnt been discriminated against by the BBC according to a court of law, he would be the first GAA man in the North not to have been.
Quote from: rrhf on May 14, 2010, 04:28:39 PM
I havent been on this board much recently, but I would like to offer my best wishes to Jerome who despite the outcome has helped bring to attention the shocking bias in BBC broadcasting over the years towards Gaelic Games. That is the ball I think I am going to play here; the ways and means that Jerome has sought to prove this bias with limited resources against the greater resources of the british broadcasting corporation and the ways and means that they have defended themselves to me is irrelevant but quite obviously the most important things to many others. I dont think Jerome ever had a chance of winning this one and I dont think he really believed he did. But I think he has sacrificed an awful lot to try and improve the lot of Gaelic Games supporters in the North who pay license fees annually to have their loved games, culture and purveyance of excellent community standards, dragged through the mud when our standards fall, but fail to see any degree of parity of treatrment amongst other the sporting organisation, never mind a proper positioning of the association by the so called neutral media broadcaster as N Irelands most important, inclusive and unique sporting provider. If Jerome hasnt been discriminated against by the BBC according to a court of law, he would be the first GAA man in the North not to have been.
He broke the terms and conditions of his employment by denigrating his employer on the internet. That's all there is to it. By taking them to a tribunal he caused himself lots of stress without ever having any real hope. What's more is, he did it on a work computer and colleagues of his saw him do it!
Lessons in life don't come cheap, at least not ones learnt in a court.
You can't buy what he will have learned through the whole ordeal.
Regardless of the outcome, he will be the stronger person.
Colleague from work saw him do it my hole!! Bet u a pound to a penny that Steven Watson got his info from OWC posters who loath JQ. Not that it makes any real difference.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 14, 2010, 06:34:09 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 14, 2010, 04:28:39 PM
I havent been on this board much recently, but I would like to offer my best wishes to Jerome who despite the outcome has helped bring to attention the shocking bias in BBC broadcasting over the years towards Gaelic Games. That is the ball I think I am going to play here; the ways and means that Jerome has sought to prove this bias with limited resources against the greater resources of the british broadcasting corporation and the ways and means that they have defended themselves to me is irrelevant but quite obviously the most important things to many others. I dont think Jerome ever had a chance of winning this one and I dont think he really believed he did. But I think he has sacrificed an awful lot to try and improve the lot of Gaelic Games supporters in the North who pay license fees annually to have their loved games, culture and purveyance of excellent community standards, dragged through the mud when our standards fall, but fail to see any degree of parity of treatrment amongst other the sporting organisation, never mind a proper positioning of the association by the so called neutral media broadcaster as N Irelands most important, inclusive and unique sporting provider. If Jerome hasnt been discriminated against by the BBC according to a court of law, he would be the first GAA man in the North not to have been.
He broke the terms and conditions of his employment by denigrating his employer on the internet. That's all there is to it. By taking them to a tribunal he caused himself lots of stress without ever having any real hope. What's more is, he did it on a work computer and colleagues of his saw him do it!
Who makes it a point to look at what a colleague is doing on their screen? Isn't that in itself misconduct?
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 14, 2010, 06:34:09 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 14, 2010, 04:28:39 PM
I havent been on this board much recently, but I would like to offer my best wishes to Jerome who despite the outcome has helped bring to attention the shocking bias in BBC broadcasting over the years towards Gaelic Games. That is the ball I think I am going to play here; the ways and means that Jerome has sought to prove this bias with limited resources against the greater resources of the british broadcasting corporation and the ways and means that they have defended themselves to me is irrelevant but quite obviously the most important things to many others. I dont think Jerome ever had a chance of winning this one and I dont think he really believed he did. But I think he has sacrificed an awful lot to try and improve the lot of Gaelic Games supporters in the North who pay license fees annually to have their loved games, culture and purveyance of excellent community standards, dragged through the mud when our standards fall, but fail to see any degree of parity of treatrment amongst other the sporting organisation, never mind a proper positioning of the association by the so called neutral media broadcaster as N Irelands most important, inclusive and unique sporting provider. If Jerome hasnt been discriminated against by the BBC according to a court of law, he would be the first GAA man in the North not to have been.
He broke the terms and conditions of his employment by denigrating his employer on the internet. That's all there is to it. By taking them to a tribunal he caused himself lots of stress without ever having any real hope. What's more is, he did it on a work computer and colleagues of his saw him do it!
How do you know? Have you a copy of his contract to hand outlining these termsand conditions? Have you read the BBCs disciplinary procedures?
Actually, yes, I have seen a copy of the Beebs terms and conditions of contract and disciplinary procedures. Have you?
You have seen Jerome's contract? Well there's no point calling you a liar asthat was proved on another thread, but maybe you like to redeemyourself and tell us what it says about posting on internet forums?
Remind us what he got sacked for ulick, there's a good lad
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 14, 2010, 11:04:05 PM
Remind us what he got sacked for ulick, there's a good lad
You said he broke the terms and conditions of his contract, which you have seen, so what are they?
Find out for yourself since you think you are so clever
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 14, 2010, 11:48:07 PM
Find out for yourself since you think you are so clever
So you haven't seen his contract then. All this spoofing you do has become rather tiresome. Why do you even bother?
Quote from: Ulick on May 15, 2010, 12:57:34 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 14, 2010, 11:48:07 PM
Find out for yourself since you think you are so clever
So you haven't seen his contract then. All this spoofing you do has become rather tiresome. Why do you even bother?
Right Ulick your posts to me make it seem like you are a pedantic arsehole. I have already stated I have seen Beeb T&Cs. You haven't, obviously enough. All these stupid questions of yours would be better answered by you actually finding out for yourself why he got fired in the first place. No, don't bother to thank me.
Quinn claims that his line manager Shane Glynn attempted to rig the judging panel for the 2008 sports personality of the year. Quinn says he did this after an alleged phone call from Jackie Fullofhimself, who wasn't happy at the prospect of a GAA type winning the awrd. Glynn, according to Quinn, wanted himself put on the panel and Margaret O'Hare bumped off it. Yet when Quiinn reorganised the panel, Glynn was on it, while Margaret O'Hare retained her place. The only people bumped off it were the alleged anti GAA types, Fullofhimself and Seaton. The winner of the award was ...er...Peter Cavanagh. So, is Shane Glynn (a) totally incompetent at rigging panels or (b) a line manager without any authority or control over his subordinates? Discuss.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 15, 2010, 07:25:31 AM
Right Ulick your posts to me make it seem like you are a pedantic arsehole. I have already stated I have seen Beeb T&Cs. You haven't, obviously enough. All these stupid questions of yours would be better answered by you actually finding out for yourself why he got fired in the first place. No, don't bother to thank me.
You said JQ had broken the terms and conditions of his contract and are leading us to believe you have seen his contract. In light of the fact that you can't outline the terms and conditions of that contract which he supposedly broke, I believe you are spoofing (again).
Can't see how the beep have a leg to stand on here if Jerome has a good legal team. First of all, Quinn never really hid his identity on this board. Second of all, he even posted some stuff from this board on the BBC website. Therefore the BBC published some writings from this board and benefited from the creativity of writers on discussion boards, which I am sure resulted in more eyeballs for the beep, pageviews and therefore ad revenue. Finally, if Quinn was a journalist with a news organisation that prides itself on free speech, then a journalist also has the right to be critical of the employer too. Taking digs on discussion boards should not be a firing offense in the world of journalism. Fair enough in other fields, but not in journalism.
Turlough, when did the BBC start seeking advertising revenue ?
Quote from: Oldhacker on May 15, 2010, 05:42:01 PM
Turlough, when did the BBC start seeking advertising revenue ?
BBC website runs ads to users outside the UK.
I'm no legal eagle but I suspect that Jerome will win his case.
The BBC is in no position to defend the sacking of an employee for criticising it in a public forum, given the mess it found itself in following the Andrew Gilligan/David Kelly/Tony Blair debacle some years back.
Quote from: cornafean on May 15, 2010, 06:29:15 PM
I'm no legal eagle but I suspect that Jerome will win his case.
I can't see it myself. His case was based on being discriminated because he was an Irish Catholic, yet he was replaced by other Irish Catholics.
I don't think he has done himself any favours in bringing this case.
Quote from: cornafean on May 15, 2010, 06:29:15 PM
I'm no legal eagle but I suspect that Jerome will win his case.
The BBC is in no position to defend the sacking of an employee for criticising it in a public forum, given the mess it found itself in following the Andrew Gilligan/David Kelly/Tony Blair debacle some years back.
Thing is cornafean, Quinn admitted he had breached their terms and conditions of employment in court. He claimed it was because he was suffering from "extreme stress, emotion and frustration" about his career that he posted inappropriate messages about the Beeb and some Beeb employees. He described his own behaviour as a "gross error of judgement"
Whether Glynn or Edgar had anything against him and wanted to see him removed is neither here nor there. If indeed that was the case Quinn was stupid in doing what he did on a work computer as that gave Glynn and Edgar the ammunition they would have needed if they wanted to get rid of him.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 15, 2010, 06:40:53 PM
Quote from: cornafean on May 15, 2010, 06:29:15 PM
I'm no legal eagle but I suspect that Jerome will win his case.
I can't see it myself. His case was based on being discriminated because he was an Irish Catholic, yet he was replaced by other Irish Catholics.
I don't think he has done himself any favours in bringing this case.
Agreed. He has provided not one shred of evidence to substantiate his claims. The evidence that has come out, has been in favour of the BBC - Quinn accessing messageboards in work time and slagging his employer into the bargain, the BBC replacing Quinn with Irish Catholics, the BBC giving the sports personality award to a GAA star even though Quinn claims the panel was rigged against the GAA - and noone has stepped forward to speak on the complainant's behalf. GAA people who have spoken out have talked warmly of the relationship between the sport and the broadcasters. His nonsense talk about the NW 200 being a Protestant sport (culchie borefest, maybe, but Protestant?? ::)) has made him appear a bit hysterical and has done nothing to enhance his work prospects in the future. In addition, the case has done nothing for the image of the GAA: Mr GAA himself looks like a disgruntled employee with a chip on his shoulder, while all the GAA message boarders and facebookers who have weighed in to support him have given credence to the theory that your average GAA Joe or Josephine is a grievance on legs who sees evidence of discrimination everywhere, even where it doesn't exist.
The argument about accessing messageboards while at work might have been a valid one 15 years ago but in this day and age it is a total red herring. I would guess that every sports journalist in the land uses the web to access news, source reference material and verify stories. It is an integral element of their work.
The point about criticising one's employer in public is a more difficult one for Jerome but if he succeeds in convincing the tribunal that it was justified or excusable in an atmosphere of corporate groupthink and hostility towards the GAA on the part of the BBC, I think that he will be well on the way to winning his case. Even if he doesn't manage to satisfy the tribunal on this score, his defence that his error was due to occupational stress could well get him off that particular hook.
He's not on a hook - he has taken the case against the BBC.
That watery Watson lad was a miserable fecker for spilling the beans, Jerome was naive however in bitting the hand that fed him.
If he doesnt win this case will he liable for the BBC costs?
If so he's fcuked.
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 15, 2010, 09:51:26 PM
If he doesnt win this case will he liable for the BBC costs?
If so he's fcuked.
Ordinarily no but if he's found to have acted unreasonably then the tribunal could made an award of costs against him. It'd be a serious bill given the length of time this has run.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 15, 2010, 10:06:47 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 15, 2010, 09:51:26 PM
If he doesnt win this case will he liable for the BBC costs?
If so he's fcuked.
Ordinarily no but if he's found to have acted unreasonably then the tribunal could made an award of costs against him. It'd be a serious bill given the length of time this has run.
The power to award costs is somewhat limited and very rarely exercised by the tribunal I would be very very surprised if he were liable for the BBC's costs
Yeah BBC will end up paying their own costs Id imagaine, the idea of the tribunal being that as they are much less formal than a court then you dont really need legal representation therefore you should bear your own costs if you decide you need legal representations
And as the BBC is funded through licence fees, we've actually paid for it!
Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 15, 2010, 07:47:59 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 15, 2010, 06:40:53 PM
Quote from: cornafean on May 15, 2010, 06:29:15 PM
I'm no legal eagle but I suspect that Jerome will win his case.
I can't see it myself. His case was based on being discriminated because he was an Irish Catholic, yet he was replaced by other Irish Catholics.
I don't think he has done himself any favours in bringing this case.
Agreed. He has provided not one shred of evidence to substantiate his claims. The evidence that has come out, has been in favour of the BBC - Quinn accessing messageboards in work time and slagging his employer into the bargain, the BBC replacing Quinn with Irish Catholics, the BBC giving the sports personality award to a GAA star even though Quinn claims the panel was rigged against the GAA - and noone has stepped forward to speak on the complainant's behalf. GAA people who have spoken out have talked warmly of the relationship between the sport and the broadcasters. His nonsense talk about the NW 200 being a Protestant sport (culchie borefest, maybe, but Protestant?? ::)) has made him appear a bit hysterical and has done nothing to enhance his work prospects in the future. In addition, the case has done nothing for the image of the GAA: Mr GAA himself looks like a disgruntled employee with a chip on his shoulder, while all the GAA message boarders and facebookers who have weighed in to support him have given credence to the theory that your average GAA Joe or Josephine is a grievance on legs who sees evidence of discrimination everywhere, even where it doesn't exist.
Was at this yesterday. Jerome might well be wrong about it being a protestant sport but it appears that it is british as they played GTSQ before it started. i was on autopilot and stood up when they said please stand for the national anthem, i was expecting AnB so imagine my shock when they started to play GSTQ. It took me a few seconds to gather my wits whereupon i promptly sat down.
WTF, why is GSTQ played before a motorbike race, i found this completely astonishing that the organisers would do this.
Also to say that this is one of the biggest sporting events in Ireland is a complete joke. All these media reports of 100,000+ people attending this is absurd, at most there are 10,000 paying supporters at this race. There's no way motorbike racing is remotely comparable to GAA in terms of popularity but you would think by media reports and specifically the BBC that the NW200 and the handful of other races that occur each year draw in more crowds than GAA. To be truthful i've seen bigger crowds in portrush for the raft race day and to be truthful watching the Raft race is as exciting as watching the motorbikes.
The resources the BBC put into that yesterday and indeed all week is unbelievable. That complete tool Stephen Watson was creaming himself over Philipp Macallen all day. Makes a change from w**king over Healy i suppose.
Jerome, who i don't think will or should win his case, certainly has a prima facie case that the GA is not given the status it deserves is the largest spectator sport in ireland.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2010, 02:08:56 PM
WTF, why is GSTQ played before a motorbike race?
Indeed. And why is Amhrán na bhFiann played before a football match?
Quote from: Hardy on May 16, 2010, 03:57:17 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2010, 02:08:56 PM
WTF, why is GSTQ played before a motorbike race?
Indeed. And why is Amhrán na bhFiann played before a football match?
Exactly. It's telling that Keyser only found it odd when it was GSTQ, but really it's no more odd than before every football match.
Surely a national anthem is for international events? At any rate, it should be limited to finals, preferably just the AI.
Quote from: Hardy on May 16, 2010, 03:57:17 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2010, 02:08:56 PM
WTF, why is GSTQ played before a motorbike race?
Indeed. And why is Amhrán na bhFiann played before a football match?
Dunno, but feel free to have a bash at answering my question and then i'll have a wee go at yours.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 16, 2010, 04:04:25 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 16, 2010, 03:57:17 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2010, 02:08:56 PM
WTF, why is GSTQ played before a motorbike race?
Indeed. And why is Amhrán na bhFiann played before a football match?
Exactly. It's telling that Keyser only found it odd when it was GSTQ, but really it's no more odd than before every football match.
Surely a national anthem is for international events? At any rate, it should be limited to finals, preferably just the AI.
It's telling you what!! Maybe you should have a go at answering the question rather than spouting on about some assumption you're making about my views on a completely different matter. Bang on form for you though.
maybe he should have had the guts to continually and openly challenge his bosses rather than comments on a board (like we all do ;D)
i personally didnt think much of his presentation anyway and thought he came across as arrogant
his pro-tyrone comments would have made you puke at times
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2010, 04:34:44 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 16, 2010, 03:57:17 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2010, 02:08:56 PM
WTF, why is GSTQ played before a motorbike race?
Indeed. And why is Amhrán na bhFiann played before a football match?
Dunno, but feel free to have a bash at answering my question and then i'll have a wee go at yours.
I have no idea in either case.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2010, 04:34:44 PM
It's telling you what!! Maybe you should have a go at answering the question rather than spouting on about some assumption you're making about my views on a completely different matter. Bang on form for you though.
Calm down! I actually agree with you - I don't see why GSTQ, or indeed any anthem, should be played before a motor bike race.
When I said "it's telling" I was referring to how you noted it from an outsider's perspective. There was really no need to be sensitive - I wasn't having a go at all.
Sorry Maguire. Motorbike racing is a tough sport, i'm a bit tired and emotional today. ;)
Anyone know the percentage airtime that gaelic gets on RTE stations?
I suspect its a lot more than on BBC Northern Ireland. Why should that be the case?
Quote from: Orior on May 16, 2010, 10:01:44 PM
Anyone know the percentage airtime that gaelic gets on RTE stations?
I suspect its a lot more than on BBC Northern Ireland. Why should that be the case?
Credit default swaps?
Quote from: muppet on May 16, 2010, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: Orior on May 16, 2010, 10:01:44 PM
Anyone know the percentage airtime that gaelic gets on RTE stations?
I suspect its a lot more than on BBC Northern Ireland. Why should that be the case?
Credit default swaps?
Thats' twice Muppet. You stalking me? lol
Quote from: Orior on May 16, 2010, 10:24:14 PM
Quote from: muppet on May 16, 2010, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: Orior on May 16, 2010, 10:01:44 PM
Anyone know the percentage airtime that gaelic gets on RTE stations?
I suspect its a lot more than on BBC Northern Ireland. Why should that be the case?
Credit default swaps?
Thats' twice Muppet. You stalking me? lol
You are the only poster here that even approaches my planet. ;D
Quote from: Orior on May 16, 2010, 10:01:44 PM
Anyone know the percentage airtime that gaelic gets on RTE stations?
I suspect its a lot more than on BBC Northern Ireland. Why should that be the case?
Because BBC only really have to cover 6 counties, although they generally cover the whole province.
Quote from: Orior on May 16, 2010, 10:01:44 PM
Anyone know the percentage airtime that gaelic gets on RTE stations?
I suspect its a lot more than on BBC Northern Ireland. Why should that be the case?
If you're gonna go down that road, you could look at the amount of TV/radio coverage given to the English Premiership on RTE and TV3/Today FM. Not only on highlights, but on news coverage.
I actually think radio ulster does more GAA on the MW than rte, although I could be wrong.
Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 15, 2010, 12:43:38 PM
Quinn claims that his line manager Shane Glynn attempted to rig the judging panel for the 2008 sports personality of the year. Quinn says he did this after an alleged phone call from Jackie Fullofhimself, who wasn't happy at the prospect of a GAA type winning the awrd. Glynn, according to Quinn, wanted himself put on the panel and Margaret O'Hare bumped off it. Yet when Quiinn reorganised the panel, Glynn was on it, while Margaret O'Hare retained her place. The only people bumped off it were the alleged anti GAA types, Fullofhimself and Seaton. The winner of the award was ...er...Peter Cavanagh. So, is Shane Glynn (a) totally incompetent at rigging panels or (b) a line manager without any authority or control over his subordinates? Discuss.
Who?
Wally!
Personally I think Tony McCoy or Wendy bloody Hoover Bag should have won it.
so whats the latest is jer gonna get a few quid? is the BBC gonna start covering gaa games? parity of esteem? will we get a mention before the ladies hockey or after the bog snorkeling? I'm confused
The match is on live this Sunday, just like it was on last Sunday, just like they're covering every game in the Ulster Championship.
Quote from: lawnseed on May 20, 2010, 11:14:54 PM
so whats the latest is jer gonna get a few quid? is the BBC gonna start covering gaa games? parity of esteem? will we get a mention before the ladies hockey or after the bog snorkeling? I'm confused
Are you completely blind??? I appreciate during the year that the GAA doesnt get a great pile of coverage but for Gods sake it shows a live GAA match EVERY week of the Ulster championship!!! This is more than any other sport gets! As members of the GAA we need to stop trying to feel sorry for ourselves and moaning about how badly done we are - its a little bit embarrassing at this stage, especially when people make comments like Lawnseed which is just plain b*llocks!!
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 21, 2010, 08:04:40 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 20, 2010, 11:14:54 PM
so whats the latest is jer gonna get a few quid? is the BBC gonna start covering gaa games? parity of esteem? will we get a mention before the ladies hockey or after the bog snorkeling? I'm confused
Are you completely blind??? I appreciate during the year that the GAA doesnt get a great pile of coverage but for Gods sake it shows a live GAA match EVERY week of the Ulster championship!!! This is more than any other sport gets! As members of the GAA we need to stop trying to feel sorry for ourselves and moaning about how badly done we are - its a little bit embarrassing at this stage, especially when people make comments like Lawnseed which is just plain b*llocks!!
Well said.
Going by how that PricewaterhouseCoopers Belfast case is being reported at the moment, Jerome should have tried a few FOI requests for the emails between McGlynn, Watson and Carragher.
Quote from: Ulick on May 21, 2010, 12:16:31 PM
Going by how that PricewaterhouseCoopers Belfast case is being reported at the moment, Jerome should have tried a few FOI requests for the emails between McGlynn, Watson and Carragher.
Exactly.
This is how another discrimination case involving a high profile presenter won his case and which never saw the door of the Tribunal.
All was settled nice and quietly with no threat to their advertising revenue !!!. ;) ;)
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 21, 2010, 08:04:40 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on May 20, 2010, 11:14:54 PM
so whats the latest is jer gonna get a few quid? is the BBC gonna start covering gaa games? parity of esteem? will we get a mention before the ladies hockey or after the bog snorkeling? I'm confused
Are you completely blind??? I appreciate during the year that the GAA doesnt get a great pile of coverage but for Gods sake it shows a live GAA match EVERY week of the Ulster championship!!! This is more than any other sport gets! As members of the GAA we need to stop trying to feel sorry for ourselves and moaning about how badly done we are - its a little bit embarrassing at this stage, especially when people make comments like Lawnseed which is just plain b*llocks!!
To me theres different types of coverage and the BBC keeps GAA coverage to the minimum on mainstream programming and channels
Sunday afternoon on BBC2 is all well and good, but their coverage and marketing of the sport on news/current affairs programs and local internet is far from acceptable when compared to irish league football and the likes of the north west. This tells me they don't want to properly represent the popularity and attraction of our games and culture to a wider population and only offer a behind the scene service to those who know about the orginisation already.
Firts smart comment on this in a long time. Orangemen for Christsakes to you believe Jeromes motivation is money or an out of court settlement, its an attempt to give a bloody nose in public to the bBC for their ogoing discrimination against the Irish license payer. He is just the fall guy.
Havn't heard much about this case for a couple weeks now, does anyone know the outcome of Jerome's case against the BBC?
Quote from: rrhf on May 21, 2010, 02:17:24 PM
Firts smart comment on this in a long time. Orangemen for Christsakes to you believe Jeromes motivation is money or an out of court settlement, its an attempt to give a bloody nose in public to the bBC for their ogoing discrimination against the Irish license payer. He is just the fall guy.
I'd say he'd take a cheque if it was on offer. Just like Logie did.
Yes he wants to give BBC a kicking in public as well.
does anyone know what the outcome of this was? are the dumb gaa ads of wee o callaghan, sligos answer to terry wogan the result of jerome highlighting the bbcs double standards, should jacky fullerton hand back his OBE after being exposed as a bigot for denying sean cavanagh his bbc sportsman of the year award.
Quote from: lawnseed on July 08, 2010, 02:46:14 PM
does anyone know what the outcome of this was? are the dumb gaa ads of wee o callaghan, sligos answer to terry wogan the result of jerome highlighting the bbcs double standards, should jacky fullerton hand back his OBE after being exposed as a bigot for denying sean cavanagh his bbc sportsman of the year award.
Cavanagh won the award
im not sure about about that dougie. he got the rte one, are you you sure it was'nt healy or some bog snorkler or wife carrier
Quote from: lawnseed on July 09, 2010, 11:17:02 AM
im not sure about about that dougie. he got the rte one, are you you sure it was'nt healy or some bog snorkler or wife carrier
Cavanagh got it in 2008. Healy got it in 2007.
What the fcuk's wrong with bog-snorkling?
Quote from: ONeill on July 09, 2010, 09:35:24 PM
What the fcuk's wrong with bog-snorkling?
In the west its known as Hyde Park.
wires crossed here oops. ::) but i read that fullerton did not think a gaa player worthy of the award. he was one of the judges. so its fair to assume that no one has a clue whats happening or that no decision has been made yet
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/jerome-quinn-loses-long-battle-against-bbc-over-sacking-14889496.html
No Justice, no f**king justice...
We all still know what goes on at the BBC and knew that this Jerome would never win this case, but at least he tried and it did bring it to peoples attention.
No surprise here. He fought the case gallantly himself and was opposed by almost the entire BBC legal team flown in from London in order to save face.
The sight of about 50 BBC big yellow banners everywhere in Clones on Ulster final day was sickening.
How much did they pay Ulster GAA for the advertising ?.
Quote from: Evil Genius on July 27, 2010, 12:28:18 PM
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/jerome-quinn-loses-long-battle-against-bbc-over-sacking-14889496.html
No Justice, no f**king justice...
Terrible to see. He was great on the championship, I am sure he will do well in the future, a good gael!The guys on TV3 seem very awkward most of the time. But as Brolly once said there's only one national broadcaster, RTE.
PS - What happend the show that used to be on UTV a few years back that talked about the champioship with louguey and Frank. Was quite cool.
Hope Jerome keeps the head up, his work for the Ulster Council is first class and always worth a watch.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on July 27, 2010, 12:58:56 PM
Hope Jerome keeps the head up, his work for the Ulster Council is first class and always worth a watch.
absolutely, keep her lit Jerome
He was never gonna win. While he had a good case. in that the bbc disgracefully showed Irish league soccer and hockey before showing gaelic, which has a massive audience, he scuppered his chances by being caught with his anonoymous posts criticising his employer. To do it using his work machine was a school boy error. Jackie fulerton would'nt have been caught in the same way
Paradoxically the BBC's coverage has intensified now as a result, probably sickening thousands of loyalists as a result :D
Quote from: Doogie Browser on July 27, 2010, 04:49:36 PM
Paradoxically the BBC's coverage has intensified now as a result, probably sickening thousands of loyalists as a result :D
Until they start showing Leinster, Munster and connacht matchs am not impressed ;)
Quote from: BerfArmagh on July 27, 2010, 04:38:21 PM
He was never gonna win. While he had a good case. in that the bbc disgracefully showed Irish league soccer and hockey before showing gaelic, which has a massive audience, he scuppered his chances by being caught with his anonoymous posts criticising his employer. To do it using his work machine was a school boy error. Jackie fulerton would'nt have been caught in the same way
Rubbish. The GAA get more airtime than any other sport on BBC NI. Other sports are entitled to their fair share as well and to me the 'agenda' is as much with people around Ulster GAA as it is with dinosaurs in the BBC
He got caught rotten and tried to contrive a sectarian motive for his disciplinary dismissal.
Quote from: lawnseed on July 08, 2010, 02:46:14 PM
does anyone know what the outcome of this was? are the dumb gaa ads of wee o callaghan, sligos answer to terry wogan the result of jerome highlighting the bbcs double standards, should jacky fullerton hand back his OBE after being exposed as a bigot for denying sean cavanagh his bbc sportsman of the year award.
That he won? ???
The sense of entitlement and victimhood here from the nordies is very interesting.
The ignorance and arrogance from the West Brits is equally interesting
Quote from: The Konica on July 27, 2010, 05:49:50 PM
The ignorance and arrogance from the West Brits is equally interesting
Good answer!
Lets sum this up.
The GAA gets more coverage than any other sport on BBC.
GAA players regularly win BBC gongs for their achievements.
Jerome got caught in a serious breach of disciplne at work and dismissed.
He then claimed that this was because he was Catholic and not associated with "Protestant Sports" (whatever they are).
He pointed to a specific incident where he was told it was unlikely that a GAA player would win an award, that he did, and claimed this was bigotry.
A neutral body dismissed his case out of hand.
You don't have to automatically defend every member of the GAA every time lads....
Quote from: The Konica on July 27, 2010, 05:49:50 PM
The ignorance and arrogance from the West Brits is equally interesting
He's not a west brit, I'd wager he's not even from the 26 counties.
I'm just surprised it took so long to reach this conclusion. There was only ever going to be one outcome.
Quote from: orangeman on July 27, 2010, 12:45:55 PM
The sight of about 50 BBC big yellow banners everywhere in Clones on Ulster final day was sickening.
How much did they pay Ulster GAA for the advertising ?.
Sickening? Why?
Why don't you ask the Ulster Council how much they pay for the advertising?
(Although I imagine its part of their rights contract)
I thought it looked like they were putting a bit of an effort into it and promoting their coverage of our championship. Why this is construed as a bad thing, i'm not sure.
What was Jermoan's moniker on here? "Fake Your Points", or "Dole Will Come"? :D
Anyhow, if you're reading, Jermoan, how d'ya like these apples, then?
http://www.u.tv/News/Tribunal-rejects-BBC-sectarian-claims/fd26b336-dda2-41cc-9872-b950c2e548d4
Tribunal rejects BBC 'sectarian' claims
Tuesday, 27 July 2010
The former so-called face of Gaelic games at BBC Northern Ireland was accused of being disingenuous, misleading and evasive by an industrial tribunal which rejected his claims of sectarian bias.
Jerome Quinn, 42, was sacked last March for gross misconduct after posting on websites anonymous criticism of the corporation's coverage.
He claimed he saw himself as a "standard-bearer" for the sport and alleged his dismissal was unfair and an act of victimisation because of his race, religion or political opinion.
But in a damning ruling to be released on Wednesday, a tribunal panel chaired by Orla Murray said his claims of discrimination and unfair dismissal should be denied in their entirety.
A report said: "The claimant also gave misleading evidence in the form of statistics in his apparent determination to paint an adverse picture of GAA coverage by BBC Sport Northern Ireland when the actual evidence before us did not support that case."
Mr Quinn's statistics at a tribunal hearing in Belfast compared coverage at a time when football and rugby were in full swing and the GAA not.
The tribunal said at several points Mr Quinn, from Omagh, Co Tyrone, was evasive when being questioned on points which were not supportive of his case. In contrast he gave very precise evidence on points which he felt were supportive of his case.
'Disingenuous'
The tribunal said: "We assessed the claimant to have been disingenuous at various points in his evidence."
Mr Quinn was suspended in February last year after his criticism of the BBC's GAA coverage was discovered by an internal investigation. He had been with the BBC in Belfast for 17 years.
The tribunal found that he was fairly dismissed for gross misconduct.
One of Mr Quinn`s complaints surrounded BBC coverage of GAA matches.
However airtime for soccer and rugby had decreased according to the tribunal, while that of the GAA has increased substantially in line with the winning or losing of broadcast rights for those sports, and depending on how successful the teams were.
The percentage spend on the GAA was also higher than rugby or domestic soccer, the tribunal said.
Many of Mr Quinn`s allegations surrounded the conduct of BBC sports editor Shane Glynn who was accused of not commissioning him for sports documentaries. He alleged as well that he tried to ensure a GAA player was not nominated for Sports Personality of the Year.
However the tribunal said Mr Glynn had been an impressive witness.
"He was consistent in his evidence and in the contemporaneous documents which we were referred to as a considerate, reasonable manager attempting to balance the competing demands of his staff, the different sports audiences in Northern Ireland, the business needs of the organisation and budgetary constraints," it said.
Mr Glynn is a Protestant with a mixed-religion background from Co Cork in the Irish Republic.
Mr Quinn said the editor had consciously and deliberately targeted him for adverse treatment because he was an Irish Catholic and connected to the GAA.
The tribunal said: "We did not accept this as it was not borne out by the evidence, especially where Mr Glynn promoted and engaged Irish Catholics in his department and encouraged the claimant and sought other avenues for him to develop his career.
"Mr Glynn clearly respected and promoted GAA coverage and actively negotiated increased coverage.
"The claimant has therefore failed to provide facts from which we could conclude that Mr Glynn`s treatment of him was tainted by unlawful discrimination."
He also complained about BBC sports presenter Jackie Fullerton's involvement in a panel to judge Sports Personality of the Year, alleging that Mr Fullerton said a GAA player should not win.
"The claimant's allegation about the Sports Personality of the Year process in 2008 in our view illustrates the claimant's extreme sensitivity to any perceived threat to anything relating to GAA and also illustrates his capacity to jump to conclusions about the motives of his manager and to ascribe adverse motives to him when he was seeking to exercise a legitimate management function," the tribunal added.
"We do not accept that there was a plot to ensure that a GAA person did not win."
He was questioned about his use of the expression "the north" to refer to the Northern Ireland soccer team but claimed he had no idea this could offend a section of the community.
In October 2008 his presentation of sports coverage on BBC Radio Ulster's morning news programme relegated a Northern Ireland international soccer report behind GAA stories including the appointment of a new manager to the Limerick hurling team.
He was dropped as presenter of the BBC's flagship The Championship coverage.
The tribunal ruled: "This is a case where the claimant felt that The Championship programme was his domain and that he was the face of the GAA on BBC television.
"We accept that the claimant was moved for valid reasons completely unconnected to the fact that he was an Irish Catholic."
It said it was unfair to compare his treatment to that of Stephen Watson, who was employed as a presenter and said there could be no comparison with former radio DJ George Jones who was also dismissed by the BBC.
It added: "On the evidence before us it was only the claimant who felt that he was targeted, sidelined and disadvantaged."
Mr Quinn was not available for comment on Tuesday.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 27, 2010, 06:49:04 PM
He's not a west brit, I'd wager he's not even from the 26 counties.
How much?
He should have made a gingerist issue.
Yep, ginger was the route to go down.
Quote from: Evil Genius on July 27, 2010, 07:52:42 PM
'Disingenuous'
The tribunal said: "We assessed the claimant to have been disingenuous at various points in his evidence."
Mr Quinn was not available for comment on Tuesday.
What does Disingenuous mean??
Only a ginger, can call another ginger ginger.
'It said it was unfair to compare his treatment to that of Stephen Watson, who was employed as a presenter and said there could be no comparison with former radio DJ George Jones who was also dismissed by the BBC.'
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Holy God, you learn something every day. I never knew George Jones was an Irish Catholic and a face of the GAA
Quote from: BerfArmagh on July 27, 2010, 04:38:21 PM
He was never gonna win. While he had a good case. in that the bbc disgracefully showed Irish league soccer and hockey before showing gaelic, which has a massive audience, he scuppered his chances by being caught with his anonoymous posts criticising his employer. To do it using his work machine was a school boy error. Jackie fulerton would'nt have been caught in the same way
Except that was nothing to do with his case. No word that he's had costs awarded against him so a lucky enough escape for Jerome.
Quote from: Puckoon on July 27, 2010, 09:00:34 PM
Only a ginger, can call another ginger ginger.
It's all good, I meant ginga.
Justice has yet to take its course, says ex-BBC man Jerome Quinn
Former BBC sports presenter Jerome Quinn insists "justice has yet to take its course" after his claims of sectarian bias were thrown out by an industrial tribunal.
The self-styled face of Gaelic games was sacked by BBC Northern Ireland last March after he was caught posting disparaging comments about colleagues on internet forums.
Mr Quinn had claimed his dismissal was unfair, alleging he had been the victim of "racial and religious harassment".
But as revealed by the Belfast Telegraph yesterday, a tribunal panel has ruled his claims should be dismissed in their entirety.
In the 28-page document, which was due to be published today, the three-person panel concluded the presenter was "fairly dismissed for gross misconduct".
The panel accused Mr Quinn of being disingenuous, misleading and evasive, adding that he had been "a less than satisfactory witness".
Speaking last night, Mr Quinn said he believed justice had not been done. "Justice has yet to take its course and I have been advised not to say anything more at this point," he said.
The BBC also declined to comment on the report's findings.
A spokesman said: "We can confirm that we have received the decision of the tribunal.
"However, it would not be appropriate for us to comment on that outcome until the findings have officially been made public by the tribunal."
Many of Mr Quinn's allegations surrounded the conduct of BBC sports editor Shane Glynn, who was accused of not commissioning him for sports documentaries.
He also alleged that Mr Glynn tried to ensure a GAA player was not nominated for Sports Personality of the Year.
Mr Glynn — described as an impressive witness — told the Belfast Telegraph he did not wish to comment on the ruling.
During the case, which was heard in May, Mr Quinn alleged he was the victim of "Protestant and British prejudice". He launched a scathing attack on his former employers, accusing the BBC of promoting "Protestant-supported sports" over Gaelic games.
He claimed the BBC subjected him to "racial and religious harassment" which left him "demoted, devalued and demoralised".
But as a witness, the tribunal found Mr Quinn to be "evasive", "disingenuous" and gave "misleading" evidence in his efforts to paint an adverse picture of GAA coverage by the BBC.
"At several points the claimant was evasive when being questioned on points which were not supportive of his case," it found.
The panel was told how Mr Quinn had spent two years posting "offensive, negative and disparaging" remarks about his employer and colleagues on internet forums.
In her summary report, tribunal chairman Orla O'Murray said the BBC bosses were left with little option but to sack him. "The claimant was fairly dismissed for gross misconduct and the respondent complied with the statutory grievance and disciplinary and dismissal procedures," she said.
Claims and counterclaims at the tribunal
BBC sports coverage
Quinn's claim: Bosses at the BBC reduced prime-time coverage of Gaelic games and had a "negative approach to GAA reportage". Quinn used two days in October to illustrate "disparity" between GAA and other sports coverage.
Tribunal Panel Response: October is the "high month" for rugby and Northern Ireland soccer. If Quinn had chosen June, the GAA would have been "in full swing" with widespread coverage, whereas rugby and soccer would have been very low.
Radio shifts
Quinn's claim: He was put on early shifts soon after Shane Glynn's appointment in 2006. He was "relegated" to radio shifts and was allocated "a disproportionate number" compared to his Protestant colleagues.
Tribunal: Quinn counted actual radio shifts together with all associated preparation shifts and coverage of live events. When a consistent method was used across all employees, five colleagues — all of them Protestant — had been allocated more shifts.
Documentaries
Quinn's claim: Of the 23 sports documentaries produced between May 2006 and September 2009, not one were made by him.
Tribunal: He "exaggerated statistics to his own end". Only 12 of the documentaries were made during Quinn's time in the department, the other 11 were produced while he was suspended or had been dismissed. Of the 12 proposed, six were by Catholics and six by Protestants.
Swearing outburst
Quinn's claim: A Protestant member of staff was not disciplined for swearing at him, yet he had been disciplined for swearing at a colleague 15 months earlier and received a formal, verbal warning.
Tribunal: The two situations "were not comparable". Quinn accepted the previous incident involved a colleague who made a formal complaint, however Quinn made no complaint over the second incident.
Sports Personality of the Year 2008
Quinn's claim: Attempts were made to skew sports coverage including "moves to influence voting" for the 2008 Sports Personality of the Year. He claimed Shane Glynn had tried to remove a judge who was "too supportive" of GAA.
Tribunal: Rejected Quinn's allegations, stating they illustrated his "extreme sensitivity to any perceived threat to anything relating to GAA".
"Too much GAA"
Quinn's claim: Acting on behalf of a senior staff member, Shane Glynn spoke to him to say there had been "too much GAA" in a broadcast.
Tribunal: "In our view Shane Glynn was acting as a responsible manager in drawing a concern to the attention of the claimant.".
The Championship
Quinn's claim: The decision to remove him from fronting The Championship on TV to radio had been detrimental to his career.
Tribunal: Accepted that Quinn was moved for "valid reasons completely unconnected to the fact that he was Catholic". The tribunal did not accept that Quinn's move to radio "was necessarily detrimental to his career".
Quinn background
Once the self-styled face of BBC Northern Ireland's GAA coverage, Jerome Quinn became a familiar face on TV.
The Omagh man presented The Championship, the corporation's flagship Gaelic games programme, for 17 years. He was replaced in 2008 by Austin O'Callaghan.
Mr Quinn was sacked last year after it emerged he used a work computer to post disparaging comments about colleagues on GAA forums.
Shane Glynn background
Prior to being appointed BBC Northern Ireland's sports editor in 2006, Shane Glynn had been a senior broadcast journalist.
Described by the tribunal as a Protestant with a mixed religious background, Mr Glynn's father was a Catholic from Cork and an avid supporter of the county's GAA teams.
He was instrumental in securing GAA broadcast rights for the BBC during the 2007/08 season.
Telegraph highlighted presenter's postings
It was the Belfast Telegraph which first alerted the BBC to Jerome Quinn's bizarre online behaviour as far back as September 2001.
Quinn decided, rather oddly, to attend the Northern Ireland v Iceland World Cup qualifier at Windsor Park wearing a Tyrone GAA shirt.
He posted his subsequent observations onto the BBC's own website.
These included:
* "It would be dishonest of me to describe myself as a NI supporter."
* "There is little encouragement for a neutral or nationalist to go along and support Northern Ireland."
* "It struck me that there were no other Gaelic fans in the North Stand, and that no-one wanted to be conversing with 'the boy who does the GAA'."
* ""When the goals started to flow, two dozen fans took their tops off . . . but did the guy at the back really need to carry a Union Jack? Actually, he did need to carry it because he wanted to let me know that this was HIS team that was winning . . . not mine."
Extracts were subsequently reproduced in the Belfast Telegraph and caused a storm of protest, with hundreds of fans voicing their anger online.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/justice-has-yet-to-take-its-course-says-exbbc-man-jerome-quinn-14890506.html
Quote from: Hardy on April 27, 2010, 04:22:46 PM
I wish him well, but what about the alternative scenario? He loses his case and the BBC point to that as proof, anytime they're taken to task, that allegations of negative bias in GAA coverage are nonsense, as found by an official tribunal.
This Hardy boy is a sage.
Well done Jerome. The BBC comes out of it smelling of roses and you look like a balloon. A word of advice...don't appeal.
I would have been critical of the BBCs GAA coverage over the years but to accuse them of 'racial and religious' harassment done him no favours.
If your gonna be that inflammatory you better have something concrete to back it up, not a load of conjecture. Sad to see him coming out of it looking like a real 'balloon' as the previous poster says, but thats just whats happened.
Hope his less than clever assertions dont get tied up with the more realistic and legitimate concerns with GAA coverage that have been voiced by Paddy Heaney, etc. Others will probably try and use his arguments to paint those critical of the BBC in the same light now - irrational stirrers with a victim complex.
Wish Jerome all the best in future though.
Its about time they changed the name of that program from The Championship to The Ulster Championship, it discrimination and very misleading for us real GAA supporters that want to get the low down on which Kerry footballer has been suspended that week or how The Home of Hurling, Tipperary, are shaping up, when you switch over to the BBC and all you get is the some incoherent ramblings about some Antrim U-14 Girls league or the like.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 28, 2010, 01:07:58 PM
Its about time they changed the name of that program from The Championship to The Ulster Championship, it discrimination and very misleading for us real GAA supporters that want to get the low down on which Kerry footballer has been suspended that week or how The Home of Hurling, Tipperary, are shaping up, when you switch over to the BBC and all you get is the some incoherent ramblings about some Antrim U-14 Girls league or the like.
Very competitive this year Mike ;)
QuoteVery competitive this year Mike
Its been more competitive than
The Championship anyway ;)
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 27, 2010, 08:53:11 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on July 27, 2010, 07:52:42 PM
'Disingenuous'
The tribunal said: "We assessed the claimant to have been disingenuous at various points in his evidence."
Mr Quinn was not available for comment on Tuesday.
What does Disingenuous mean??
It is a word for those who cant use Google.
Mr Quinn appears to have made a complete b@lls of this case going by the published verdict. I will always believe the BBC have been outrageously biased in the past and are only getting slightly better now
Jerome though has allowed the BBC to exculpate itself entirely from any accusations you could level with what if effectively a bulletproof decision
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 28, 2010, 01:32:35 PM
QuoteVery competitive this year Mike
Its been more competitive than The Championship anyway ;)
Aye, we had it pretty easy in the hurling the year.
My main bugbear with the BBC continues to be the weather. Why do they feel it necessary to tell us what the weather will be like in Norwich tomorrow yet the 26 appear to have no weather at all ???
The Tribunal's findings (all 28 pages) are now publicly available online:
http://forms.employmenttribunalsni.co.uk/OITFET_IWS/DecisionSearch.aspx
(Just key in Case ID 00142/09FET and click on "Search" - it comes up as a Word Document).
Amongst the "edited highlights" are the following:
DECISION
The decision of the Tribunal is that the claimant was not discriminated against on grounds of race, religion or political opinion. The claimant was fairly dismissed for gross misconduct. The claimant's claims are therefore dismissed in their entirety.
Constitution of Tribunal:
Chairman: Mrs Ó Murray
Members: Mr P McCrossan, Mr B McGuire
Appearances:
The claimant appeared in person and was represented from 6 May 2010 by Mr P Moore of PM Associates.
The respondent was represented by T Sadiq, Barrister at Law, instructed by Mr R Easy of the BBC Legal Department.
7. The Tribunal found the claimant to be a less than satisfactory witness. The claimant came across as a very composed, intelligent and articulate individual. At several points the claimant was evasive when being questioned on points which were not supportive of his case. In contrast he gave very precise evidence on points which he felt were supportive of his case. We assessed the claimant to have been disingenuous at various points in his evidence. The claimant also gave misleading evidence in the form of statistics in his apparent determination to paint an adverse picture of GAA coverage by BBC Sport NI when the actual evidence before us did not support that case. Examples of the foregoing are set out in the detailed facts under the headings below.
8. In contrast, Mr Glynn was a particularly impressive witness in our view. He was consistent in his evidence which was given in a very measured way. He came across to us in evidence and in the contemporaneous documents to which we were referred, as a considerate, reasonable manager attempting to balance the competing demands of his staff, the different sports audiences in Northern Ireland, the business needs of the organisation and budgetary constraints. We similarly viewed the evidence of the other witnesses for the respondent as considered and measured and their evidence was corroborated by the contemporaneous documents.
9. Mr Glynn is Protestant from a mixed background as his father was an Irish/Catholic from Cork and was a fervent Cork GAA supporter. Mr Glynn gave compelling evidence of his affection for GAA sports given the link with his father.
10. Given our assessment of the witnesses in the context of the evidence, where the claimant's evidence conflicted with the evidence given on behalf of the respondent we preferred the respondent's evidence.
14. Since the appointment of Mr Glynn as Editor of BBC Sport NI, in June 2006, Mr Glynn has been instrumental in the creation of four new staff positions in his division. Three of the four appointees were Irish/Catholics having been appointed following an appointment process in which Mr Glynn was involved. In the same period six people gained promotions under Mr Glynn and four of those promoted were Irish/Catholics.
16. The disciplinary process began when it was discovered that the claimant had, for over two years, been posting anonymous messages on a GAA message board. The postings were of a highly controversial and derogatory nature. Derogatory and disparaging comments were made by the claimant anonymously about prominent Northern Ireland sports people whom he named; about his colleagues in the BBC; about senior managers in BBC NI; and about the BBC itself. Over that period, the claimant also actively fomented and promoted a campaign of complaint against the BBC in relation to its GAA coverage.
19. It is important to set out in full the 11 specific charges outlined in the disciplinary letter as this illustrates the respondent's view of the gravity of the alleged misconduct. The specific allegations are set out below. Each allegation also referred to the specific policy which was alleged to have been breached:
"ii through your posts on the gaaboard.com you attempted to instigate an organised complaints campaign against the BBC over politically sensitive output (namely GAA coverage) by inciting the public to campaign (individually and in groups) against the BBC.
iii you attempted to exploit your connection with the BBC by using knowledge, some of which was potentially sensitive/confidential, acquired through your role in the BBC to promote/support an organised campaign, on gaaboard.com to the detriment (actual or future) of the BBC.
v. a number of the posts which you authored on the gaaboard.com threads contain material which is offensive, negative, disparaging and possibly defamatory about colleagues, sports personalities and fellow presenters both from the BBC and other broadcasters (including, but not limited to, Shane Glynn, Mike Edgar, Mark Adair, Wendy Houvenaghel, Stephen Watson, Wayne Duddy, Adrian Logan.
vi. you used gaaboard.com whether deliberately or otherwise, to abuse/attack BBC colleagues, sports personalities and other presenters (see point 4 above) by externally circulating derogatory/offensive comments.
vii. in post on the gaaboard.com you were inconsiderate and abusive towards BBC colleagues, sports personalities and other presenters (see point 4 above); you posted sensitive information without their approval, potentially amounting to cyber bullying.
viii. through your posts on the gaaboard.com you advocated a particular position on GAA coverage, a sensitive and controversial subject relevant to your area.
ix. your off-air activity and the content of many of your posts on the gaaboard.com threads has led to doubt about your objectivity and impartiality of your work for the BBC. The personal views you expressed off-air on controversial issues, may have severely compromised your editorial and on-air role.
x. that you deceived the public in that at no time did you declare that you worked for BBC NI or that you were Jerome Quinn – despite opportunities to do so.
xi. by posting frequently on the gaaboard.com forum you used BBC Equipment in a way that significantly distracted you and/or others from your work and interfered with the performance of your or others' duties.
xii. you allowed your outside interests to interfere with your BBC work, causing a conflict to arise between you BBC duties and your private interests and affecting your ability to carry out your duties effectively and placing the BBC in a position where it has been brought into disrepute and its reputation for impartiality has potentially been affected
32. For BBC Sport NI the negotiation of broadcast rights for GAA coverage have been particularly sensitive and competitive over the years given that RTE, TV3 and Setanta have all been active, competitive bidders in the past.
33. Mr Glynn was promoted to Editor of Sports NI in June 2006 following a period as a Senior Broadcast Journalist in the News Department. Following his appointment as Editor for Sport he was instrumental in winning the broadcast rights for coverage of the GAA Ulster Championship and All-Ireland games involving Ulster teams, when the broadcast rights for GAA coverage came up for renewal in 2007/2008. As a result the live coverage of matches increased substantially. The respondent gave an undertaking during the tender process that they would "revamp" the look, style and tone of the live coverage.
34. Mr Glynn also gave evidence, which we accept, of the hours of TV coverage, both live and highlights, given to each of 12 sports for the period from 2006 to 2010. The figures show that coverage of soccer and rugby has decreased whereas coverage of GAA has increased substantially in line with the winning or losing of broadcast coverage rights for those sports and in line with how successful Ulster/NI teams were in a particular year.
35. The claimant chose two days in October 2008 to illustrate his allegation of a disparity in the coverage between GAA sports and other sports. October is the high season for rugby and Northern Ireland soccer. If the claimant had chosen June to illustrate coverage, the GAA season would have been in full swing with widespread coverage on BBC NI whereas rugby and soccer coverage would have been very low because it was not their season.
36. Mr Glynn gave evidence, which we accept, that, the percentage 'spend per sport' as at March 2009 showed that GAA rights and production costs for live coverage, far outstripped the costs associated with rugby and domestic soccer.
47. In August 2007, in the course of a radio broadcast, the claimant made four references to the Northern Ireland soccer team by calling them "the North". Mr Edgar heard the broadcast and raised it with Mr Glynn to ask him to speak to the claimant informally to confirm that the factually accurate term is "Northern Ireland". Mr Edgar's motivation in asking for this to be raised was because of the importance of accuracy in the terms used for Northern Ireland as this also relates to impartiality of reporting, a core BBC value. The claimant accepted being spoken to at the time but later raised the matter with Mr Glynn in the course of a heated exchange in October 2008 about his career in general. In that meeting on 30 October 2008, the claimant disputed Mr Glynn's assertion that it was actually Mr Edgar who had raised the issue.
48. In evidence to us the claimant accepted that he had accepted correction on that term at the time, but maintained at tribunal that he had no idea what the problem was with using that term. We regard it as incredible for the claimant to assert before us that he had no idea that the use of the phrase "the North" to refer to the Northern Ireland soccer team, had the potential to cause offence to one section of the community in Northern Ireland and the claimant's persistence on this point tainted his credibility for us. We simply do not accept that the claimant was unaware of the sensitive, political connotations of that term in that context. We also do not accept that the claimant was unaware that use of such a term was very sensitive for a broadcaster. We accept the respondent's evidence that this was a legitimate matter to raise with the claimant, that it was prompted by Mr Edgar, and that it related to accuracy and the principle of impartiality. We therefore do not accept the claimant's point that this was evidence of adverse treatment against him by Mr Glynn or anyone else.
50. Mr Glynn's response sets out the criticism which he had of the running order followed by the claimant that morning. The bulletin ran on a Friday morning and the claimant gave precedence to several GAA stories including a report of an award ceremony the previous night and a forthcoming club match. These matters were given precedence over, firstly, the Rugby World Cup which was to start that weekend; secondly, the imminent Walker Cup golf opening ceremony; and thirdly, an international Northern Ireland soccer match due to take place that weekend.
55. In summary we utterly reject the claimant's contention that there was a plot by Mr Glynn, Mr Fullerton or anyone else to ensure that a GAA person did not win [Sports Personality of the Year].
56. The claimant referred to the script for the radio broadcast on Good Morning Ulster on 8 October 2008. This was the broadcast which the claimant made and after which Mr Glynn spoke to him at the behest of Ms Carragher, to say that there was "too much GAA" in the broadcast. Ms Carragher and Mr Glynn were clear in their evidence that the criticism was that there were too many GAA stories grouped at the beginning of the broadcast which resulted in an international Northern Ireland soccer game being reported after news of the appointment of a new manager to Limerick hurling team.
63. Soon after his appointment in 2006, Mr Glynn ensured that the claimant was engaged again in Newsline presentations on TV. The claimant had not been involved in Newsline since a disagreement with the editor of that programme Ms A F who was Irish/Catholic. Mr Glynn persuaded that editor to allow the claimant to recommence presentation on Newsline. Two other journalists had been dropped at the same time as the claimant and one of them was Protestant/British and one of them was Irish/Catholic.
64. After Mr Glynn's appointment, five other members of his staff had also made complaints to him, at various times, about their careers. Three of those individuals were Protestant/British and two were Irish/Catholic.
101. The claimant clearly felt that he was some sort of "standard bearer" for all the followers of GAA in Northern Ireland and, in our view, this caused him to perceive any change to his working practices as an attack not only on him but on the GAA community in general.
102. The claims of discrimination, other than those related to dismissal, rest on the claimant's two allegations that: firstly, Mr Glynn had a personal animosity towards the claimant and towards the GAA; and, secondly, that Mr Glynn instituted a policy of downgrading the coverage and priority given to GAA causing detriment to the claimant and to the group to which he belonged.
103. As outlined out in the facts found above, we have found that Mr Glynn did not have animosity towards GAA but had a positive view of GAA given his background and experience and the actions he took when he was appointed as Editor of Sport and negotiated increased coverage through the acquisition of contracts. We have found as a fact that there was no policy or practice of downgrading the coverage and priority given to GAA.
113. The claimant claimed that his dismissal was an act of victimisation caused by him raising the grievance about discrimination. The chronology does not support this allegation. The grievance was only raised after the claimant was invited to the disciplinary hearing and could see exactly how many allegations there were against him and how serious they were. The claimant then sought to put his dissatisfaction about his career over the previous two years into a discriminatory context which simply was not there in our view.
115. In summary the claimant's dismissal was dealt with by two Irish/Catholics who had good reason to regard the charges as very serious indeed. The claimant admitted the charges and that they were a gross error. In those circumstances we conclude that Ms Carragher and Mr Keeling had very little option but to dismiss the claimant. This was nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that the claimant is Irish/Catholic.
117. It is for the claimant to prove facts from which we could conclude that his allegations against Mr Glynn amounted not only to acts of discrimination but that they were evidence of an ongoing state of affairs whereby the claimant was discriminated against on an ongoing basis. The claimant has simply failed to prove such facts from which we could make such a conclusion. Almost every person mentioned by him in relation to alleged adverse treatment was Irish/Catholic. Almost every person who benefited following the alleged detrimental treatment was Irish/Catholic. Mr Glynn is from a mixed background and promoted Irish/Catholics and employed Irish/Catholics in his division. Indeed Mr Glynn made a particular effort to assuage the claimant's concerns about his career particularly in light of his disappointment about being removed from The Championship. Mr Glynn acted as a good manager in listening to the claimant's concerns about his career and took active steps to develop the claimant's career as outlined in the factual findings at paragraphs 63-68 above.
118. Most of the claimant's disgruntlement appears to stem from the decision to remove him from The Championship. That decision was not Mr Glynn's alone but was a joint decision, made for valid reasons and sanctioned by higher level managers who included an Irish/Catholic. The person chosen to replace the claimant was an Irish/Catholic. The claimant has failed to prove facts from which we could conclude that that decision was an act of discrimination.
122. This is a case where the claimant felt that The Championship programme was his domain and that he was the "face" of the GAA on BBC television. He therefore took very badly the decision to move him from The Championship to other duties, and to replace him by other Irish/Catholics on The Championship. We accept that the claimant was moved for valid reasons completely unconnected to the fact that he was Irish/Catholic.
123. The claimant's case was that Mr Glynn 'consciously and deliberately' targeted him for adverse treatment because he was Irish/Catholic and connected with the GAA. We do not accept this as it is not borne out by the evidence, especially where Mr Glynn promoted and engaged Irish/Catholics in his department and encouraged the claimant and sought other avenues for him to develop his career. Mr Glynn clearly respected and promoted GAA coverage and actively negotiated increased coverage. The claimant has therefore failed to prove facts from which we could conclude that Mr Glynn's treatment of him was tainted by unlawful discrimination.
128. In his indirect discrimination case the claimant relied on the existence of a policy whereby GAA was downgraded compared to other sports. As we have outlined in the evidence above, we have found that GAA is one of the four core sports covered by BBC NI Sport and expenditure has increased substantially on it over the last few years in line with the acquisition of broadcast rights and allied rights. The claimant has therefore failed to prove that there was a policy whereby GAA was given lower priority than the other core sports. As we have found as a fact that such a policy or practice did not exist, the claimant's claim for indirect discrimination must fail.
129. In addition, there was no evidence to show any group disadvantage as required by the definition of indirect discrimination. On the contrary the people within the group defined by the claimant, namely Irish/Catholic employees of BBC Sport NI, appear to have prospered under Mr Glynn. On the evidence before us, it was only the claimant who felt that he was targeted, sidelined and disadvantaged.
131. There was absolutely no evidence of harassment of the claimant by Mr Glynn or any other staff. We specifically reject the argument put forward on behalf of the claimant that the discrimination alleged by him amounted to harassment in and of itself. Harassment is a specific statutory concept and there was no evidence at all before us of anything remotely resembling harassment in this case. The claimant's representative at one point towards the end of the hearing referred to Mr Glynn as having conducted himself "in a sectarian manner" and alluded to Mr Glynn as a "bigot". We think it is very important to record that there was no evidence presented to us to support such allegations about Mr Glynn and his conduct.
Where does this leave Jerome. An independent tribunal (and there doesnt seem to be too many of themmuns on the tribunal) have pretty much suggested he was tailoring the truth to suit his agenda, and backed up the actions of the BBC.
How much of this are we to believe now? I am close to believing the report - unless anyone can give me good reason not to. Did Jerome lose the run of himself a bit?
Of course he did, he is a balloon :(
He was stupid enough to use a work computer to run down the company who he was being paid by at the time.
Whether he felt he was right or not makes no difference any other walk of life or work and anyone would be shown the door for this kind of thing.
IMO he was pure rubbish as the presenting malarky anyway, the Tyrone thing sickened my happiness and Im not anti-tyrone. While Austin and Thomas arent great Im certainly not pining to have J back on the Championship.
101. The claimant clearly felt that he was some sort of "standard bearer" for all the followers of GAA in Northern Ireland and, in our view, this caused him to perceive any change to his working practices as an attack not only on him but on the GAA community in general
The crux of the case.
'...through your posts on the gaaboard.com you attempted to instigate an organised complaints campaign against the BBC over politically sensitive output (namely GAA coverage)'
Ffs - if this is how the tribunal view GAA coverage its not much surprise they found against him.
And if it is accepted as such, then surely just about everything on local tv is politically sensitive?
Quote from: haranguerer on July 28, 2010, 03:20:42 PM
'...through your posts on the gaaboard.com you attempted to instigate an organised complaints campaign against the BBC over politically sensitive output (namely GAA coverage)'
Ffs - if this is how the tribunal view GAA coverage its not much surprise they found against him.
And if it is accepted as such, then surely just about everything on local tv is politically sensitive?
Isn't the point that Jerome made it a political issue by playing the sectarian card?
Quote from: dublinfella on July 28, 2010, 03:27:59 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 28, 2010, 03:20:42 PM
'...through your posts on the gaaboard.com you attempted to instigate an organised complaints campaign against the BBC over politically sensitive output (namely GAA coverage)'
Ffs - if this is how the tribunal view GAA coverage its not much surprise they found against him.
And if it is accepted as such, then surely just about everything on local tv is politically sensitive?
Isn't the point that Jerome made it a political issue by playing the sectarian card?
I think haranguer's point is that GAA coverage was considered politically sensitive by the BBC before JQ's dismissal. Get rid of the feckin motor sports and there'd be plenty of room for soccer, rugger and GAA!!
Must go, I see Shane Glynn coming down the corridor ;)
I have to say I am pleased to see this pompous idiot got what he deserved from this tribunal, this man is so full of his own importance & he got what he deserved for biting the hand that was feeding him.
Not in anyway defending Jerome here but the comments people are making against him here seem to rather harsh for people that probably have not met the man.
I agree with a lot of people that he should never have taken the case and that he was wrong to be publicly condemning the BBC being a BBC employee - and perhaps should have used his position to bring about change within the BBC.
I for one think that Jerome does ALOT for the GAA and has done over the years. His work at the minute I think should be commended as this work was never done before and teams/clubs/individuals are getting coverage we all thought never possible.
Quote from: mournerambler on July 28, 2010, 04:41:40 PM
I have to say I am pleased to see this pompous idiot got what he deserved from this tribunal, this man is so full of his own importance & he got what he deserved for biting the hand that was feeding him.
Nail on head ... the hubris of a man who chose to represent himself (I assume any barristers he approached told him the case was unwinnable) against the BBC, which probably has its own stable of top legal brains paid for by the licence fee, is shocking
Quote from: Muzz on July 28, 2010, 04:49:39 PM
Not in anyway defending Jerome here but the comments people are making against him here seem to rather harsh for people that probably have not met the man.
People don't need to have met the man, and frankly its irrelevant. People are commenting on what has been reported in this case, and he looks like an arrogant bungler from all reports and its quite frankly offensive to me to play the sectarian card when it appears none existed.
He organised a campaign against his employers from his work computer ffs. How thick is that?
I work for the BBC, that Sarah Travers is some craic on a staff night out.
Quote from: red hander on July 28, 2010, 04:49:52 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on July 28, 2010, 04:41:40 PM
I have to say I am pleased to see this pompous idiot got what he deserved from this tribunal, this man is so full of his own importance & he got what he deserved for biting the hand that was feeding him.
Nail on head ... the hubris of a man who chose to represent himself (I assume any barristers he approached told him the case was unwinnable) against the BBC, which probably has its own stable of top legal brains paid for by the licence fee, is shocking
According to the judgement from 6th May he was represented by P Moore of PM Associates. Anyone know who this is??
PM Associates? Is that Personal Messages from the Board?
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 28, 2010, 05:28:35 PM
PM Associates? Is that Personal Messages from the Board?
Juding from the outcome of the case, probably...
QuoteHe organised a campaign against his employers from his work computer ffs. How thick is that?
About the same as a soccer fan purporting to be a GAA supporter.
Quote from: armaghniac link=topic=7555.msg827067#msg827067About the same as a soccer fan purporting to be a GAA supporter.
This old chestnut. Because I have a slightly different opinion to the mob, I can't be a real Gael?
Grow up.
Ara stop. Have you your ticket for tomorrow night ? :D
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According to the judgement from 6th May he was represented by P Moore of PM Associates. Anyone know who this is??
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I assume it was a local solicitor?. In against QC's that the BBC brought with them.
Men against boys?
QuoteI work for the BBC, that Sarah Travers is some craic on a staff night out.
Hope you're not logged in at work look what happened Jerome !!
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 28, 2010, 05:38:39 PM
Ara stop. Have you your ticket for tomorrow night ? :D
Juve game? I don't and there isn't a sniff of them. Have to settle for the telly.
I'm annoyed by the fact that the Tribunal thought it was acceptable for Jerome to be slapped on the wrist for referring to "the north" and not Northern Ireland when a hell of a lot of nationalists do the same.
Quote from: muppet on July 28, 2010, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 27, 2010, 08:53:11 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on July 27, 2010, 07:52:42 PM
'Disingenuous'
The tribunal said: "We assessed the claimant to have been disingenuous at various points in his evidence."
Mr Quinn was not available for comment on Tuesday.
What does Disingenuous mean??
It is a word for those who cant use Google.
Muppet, a question please kind and knowledgble one from one who can't use Google.
If you have consulted with Mr Google please tell us what does Disingenuous mean??
PS: Some advice; Google is for muppets, don't ask google ask me instead ;) ;D ;D . Muppet is a super handle.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 28, 2010, 07:23:26 PM
I'm annoyed by the fact that the Tribunal thought it was acceptable for Jerome to be slapped on the wrist for referring to "the north" and not Northern Ireland when a hell of a lot of nationalists do the same.
Yes, but not people who support the NI soccer team. That would be akin to someone referring to Londonderry in relation to the Derry GAA team, just because 'a hell of a lot of unionists do the same'. Would you not be annoyed by that?
For the poster who asked what disingenuous meant, I'd assume they were referring to the likes of this:
We regard it as incredible for the claimant to assert before us that he had no idea that the use of the phrase "the North" to refer to the Northern Ireland soccer team, had the potential to cause offence to one section of the community in Northern Ireland and the claimant's persistence on this point tainted his credibility for us. We simply do not accept that the claimant was unaware of the sensitive, political connotations of that term in that context.
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Yes, but not people who support the NI soccer team. That would be akin to someone referring to Londonderry in relation to the Derry GAA team, just because 'a hell of a lot of unionists do the same'. Would you not be annoyed by that?
No it wouldn't bother me - unionists call derry londonderry and we have to accept that.
The only way we're going to be able to get on with things in the north is to accept the differences between the two communities not try to bully someone in to your way of thinking.
Jerome bad mouthed the BBC on the internet from a BBC computer while working for the BBC.
Jerome got fired, then Jerome complained it wasn't fair he got fired because he was a Taig doing GAA stuff
Jerome lost
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 28, 2010, 07:23:26 PM
I'm annoyed by the fact that the Tribunal thought it was acceptable for Jerome to be slapped on the wrist for referring to "the north" and not Northern Ireland when a hell of a lot of nationalists do the same.
it's a bot rich alright considering the bbc refer to ROI as the irish republic
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 28, 2010, 09:43:55 PM
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Yes, but not people who support the NI soccer team. That would be akin to someone referring to Londonderry in relation to the Derry GAA team, just because 'a hell of a lot of unionists do the same'. Would you not be annoyed by that?
No it wouldn't bother me - unionists call derry londonderry and we have to accept that.
The only way we're going to be able to get on with things in the north is to accept the differences between the two communities not try to bully someone in to your way of thinking.
Yes, but the name of the team is the name of the team. If you're a professional journalist, you refer to the team by their proper name - you don't tailor it to reflect your political opinion.
Maybe it wouldn't bother you (or maybe you're being disingenuous :P), but there'd be uproar on here if BBC journalists referred to Londonderry in GAA reports in relation to the Derry team. Or Londonderry City FC in relation to the soccer team.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 28, 2010, 11:34:35 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 28, 2010, 09:43:55 PM
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Yes, but not people who support the NI soccer team. That would be akin to someone referring to Londonderry in relation to the Derry GAA team, just because 'a hell of a lot of unionists do the same'. Would you not be annoyed by that?
No it wouldn't bother me - unionists call derry londonderry and we have to accept that.
The only way we're going to be able to get on with things in the north is to accept the differences between the two communities not try to bully someone in to your way of thinking.
Yes, but the name of the team is the name of the team. If you're a professional journalist, you refer to the team by their proper name - you don't tailor it to reflect your political opinion.
Maybe it wouldn't bother you (or maybe you're being disingenuous :P), but there'd be uproar on here if BBC journalists referred to Londonderry in GAA reports in relation to the Derry team. Or Londonderry City FC in relation to the soccer team.
People shorten things all the time - I see no harm in saying "the north" rather than reeling "northern Ireland" of your tongue 4 times in a news report. How many times is the "republic of Ireland" soccer team referred to as "Ireland"?
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 28, 2010, 11:34:35 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 28, 2010, 09:43:55 PM
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Yes, but not people who support the NI soccer team. That would be akin to someone referring to Londonderry in relation to the Derry GAA team, just because 'a hell of a lot of unionists do the same'. Would you not be annoyed by that?
No it wouldn't bother me - unionists call derry londonderry and we have to accept that.
The only way we're going to be able to get on with things in the north is to accept the differences between the two communities not try to bully someone in to your way of thinking.
Yes, but the name of the team is the name of the team. If you're a professional journalist, you refer to the team by their proper name - you don't tailor it to reflect your political opinion.
Maybe it wouldn't bother you (or maybe you're being disingenuous :P), but there'd be uproar on here if BBC journalists referred to Londonderry in GAA reports in relation to the Derry team. Or Londonderry City FC in relation to the soccer team.
Don't you mean - Londonderry City Football Club?
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on July 28, 2010, 01:57:08 PM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 28, 2010, 01:32:35 PM
QuoteVery competitive this year Mike
Its been more competitive than The Championship anyway ;)
Aye, we had it pretty easy in the hurling the year.
My main bugbear with the BBC continues to be the weather. Why do they feel it necessary to tell us what the weather will be like in Norwich tomorrow yet the 26 appear to have no weather at all ???
The BBC must still be following the board...Dublin had weather last night!!
Jerome Quinn, a good GAA man but he screwed up his job at the BBC from how he acted. No surprise he lost his case.
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 28, 2010, 07:54:32 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 28, 2010, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 27, 2010, 08:53:11 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on July 27, 2010, 07:52:42 PM
'Disingenuous'
The tribunal said: "We assessed the claimant to have been disingenuous at various points in his evidence."
Mr Quinn was not available for comment on Tuesday.
What does Disingenuous mean??
It is a word for those who cant use Google.
Muppet, a question please kind and knowledgble one from one who can't use Google.
If you have consulted with Mr Google please tell us what does Disingenuous mean??
PS: Some advice; Google is for muppets, don't ask google ask me instead ;) ;D ;D . Muppet is a super handle.
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Quote from: Maguire01 on July 28, 2010, 11:34:35 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 28, 2010, 09:43:55 PM
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Yes, but not people who support the NI soccer team. That would be akin to someone referring to Londonderry in relation to the Derry GAA team, just because 'a hell of a lot of unionists do the same'. Would you not be annoyed by that?
No it wouldn't bother me - unionists call derry londonderry and we have to accept that.
The only way we're going to be able to get on with things in the north is to accept the differences between the two communities not try to bully someone in to your way of thinking.
Yes, but the name of the team is the name of the team. If you're a professional journalist, you refer to the team by their proper name - you don't tailor it to reflect your political opinion.
Maybe it wouldn't bother you (or maybe you're being disingenuous :P), but there'd be uproar on here if BBC journalists referred to Londonderry in GAA reports in relation to the Derry team. Or Londonderry City FC in relation to the soccer team.
Don't you mean - Londonderry City Football Club?
No.
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There's no doubt that there is a bias against GAA in BBC NI Sports coverage. When Cormac McAnallen died word came down from on high that under no circumstances was it to be the lead story on the main news.
Quote from: The face on July 30, 2010, 11:08:52 AM
There's no doubt that there is a bias against GAA in BBC NI Sports coverage. When Cormac McAnallen died word came down from on high that under no circumstances was it to be the lead story on the main news.
Is there any foundation to this allegation?
Quote from: The face on July 30, 2010, 11:08:52 AM
There's no doubt that there is a bias against GAA in BBC NI Sports coverage. When Cormac McAnallen died word came down from on high that under no circumstances was it to be the lead story on the main news.
Did you mean to post that on the GAA myths thread?
I'd like to point out that the words Irish and Catholic and Protestant and British are not interchangeable. What sort of a pillock wrote that report?
Quote from: LeoMc on July 30, 2010, 11:40:40 AM
Quote from: The face on July 30, 2010, 11:08:52 AM
There's no doubt that there is a bias against GAA in BBC NI Sports coverage. When Cormac McAnallen died word came down from on high that under no circumstances was it to be the lead story on the main news.
Is there any foundation to this allegation?
Yeah, they put a full page ad in the Belfast Telegraph under the heading "Don't mention the dead Taig". Also there was a picture of the Head of the BBC twiddling his moustache while stroking a white cat. Catch yourselves on lads!!!
Quote from: The face on July 30, 2010, 02:42:58 PM
Yeah, they put a full page ad in the Belfast Telegraph under the heading "Don't mention the dead Taig". Also there was a picture of the Head of the BBC twiddling his moustache while stroking a white cat. Catch yourselves on lads!!!
Its not up to us to 'catch ourselves on'. You made the allegation, you back it up.
We were called into a room and told. And then we did what we were told so we could keep our jobs. A proud day for us all!
Quote from: The face on July 30, 2010, 05:10:44 PM
We were called into a room and told. And then we did what we were told so we could keep our jobs. A proud day for us all!
If that is the case it was a damned shameful disgrace but why is this the first time I've heard of it?
Usually stuff like this leaks out very quickly. >:(
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Quote from: The face on July 30, 2010, 05:10:44 PM
We were called into a room and told. And then we did what we were told so we could keep our jobs. A proud day for us all!
If that is the case it was a damned shameful disgrace but why is this the first time I've heard of it?
Usually stuff like this leaks out very quickly. >:(
Fear my friend, fear. That and absolutely no proof!
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'Disingenuous'
The tribunal said: "We assessed the claimant to have been disingenuous at various points in his evidence."
Mr Quinn was not available for comment on Tuesday.
What does Disingenuous mean??
It is a word for those who cant use Google.
Muppet, a question please kind and knowledgble one from one who can't use Google.
If you have consulted with Mr Google please tell us what does Disingenuous mean??
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Living up to your moniker then
MUPPET
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did i read this case cost the beeb £600,000? it would have been cheaper to just report the dam sport >:(
Quote from: lawnseed on September 10, 2010, 12:08:14 AM
did i read this case cost the beeb £600,000? it would have been cheaper to just report the dam sport >:(
Are you telling us or asking us?
And are you forgetting that it wasn't the BBC who took the case? And that they won?
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 10, 2010, 07:22:16 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on September 10, 2010, 12:08:14 AM
did i read this case cost the beeb £600,000? it would have been cheaper to just report the dam sport >:(
Are you telling us or asking us?
And are you forgetting that it wasn't the BBC who took the case? And that they won?
Jerome was hardly charged expenses!!!? ???
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 10, 2010, 07:22:16 AM
Quote from: lawnseed on September 10, 2010, 12:08:14 AM
did i read this case cost the beeb £600,000? it would have been cheaper to just report the dam sport >:(
Are you telling us or asking us?
And are you forgetting that it wasn't the BBC who took the case? And that they won?
As stated it wasn't the beeb who took the case. They were defending and won it.
As far as I am aware costs are rarely awarded in Employment Tribunal cases so the BBC probably had to foot the bill. Effectively, we as licence payers paid for Jerome's wee escapade. Will have to ask him for a pint next time I see him out.
Tough enough - I'd say Jerome isn't exactly too popular in certain media circles these days.
Hi Glensman,
The obvious solution to avoiding such costly proceedings is for BBC NI's coverage to be commensurate to the support that each sport receives locally.
Some small adjustment could be made to the formula to ensure that minority sports are covered.
To illustrate, imagine that, on a given date, there were two events, with 10,000 at an Ulster Club Championship gaelic football match, and 167 at Dungannon Swifts v Newry Town soccer match.
In a publicly funded media outlet, based on attendance figures, the gaelic match should get prominence as the lead story, and should receive 90% of available local NI sports broadcast time. The remaining 10% would cover the soccer match (generous considering it having a mere 0.016% of that day's spectators).
To date, BBC NI's coverage has not adhered to such simple reasoning. Having liaised with BBC NI on the matter, it appears that BBC NI hide behind opinion polls that say that soccer is NI's most popular sport and accordingly soccer should get prominence.
The key corrupting factor in BBC NI's reasoning is that they do not distinguish between English soccer and local NI soccer in the opinion polls used to direct editorial policy. If they did so, they would find that local NI soccer is of no interest to many who would follow English soccer. This lack of interest is confirmed by shockingly low attendance figures at NI soccer matches. Moreover, actual attendance figures must surely be more accurate in gauging interest rather than opinion polls.
BBC NI need to be reminded that their remit is to cover local sport, and the scale and depth of local sport coverage should reflect interest in local, not English soccer. If they'd done that, they wouldn't have wasted an alleged 600k of public money.
Quote from: snatter on September 10, 2010, 01:52:01 PM
The obvious solution to avoiding such costly proceedings is for BBC NI's coverage to be commensurate to the support that each sport receives locally.
No, the obvious solution is for an employee not to behave unprofessionally and then play the victim when sacked, forcing the employer to defend itself.
Quote from: snatter on September 10, 2010, 01:52:01 PM
BBC NI need to be reminded that their remit is to cover local sport, and the scale and depth of local sport coverage should reflect interest in local, not English soccer. If they'd done that, they wouldn't have wasted an alleged 600k of public money.
Did you not read the judgement? They didn't waste £600k because of their coverage - any cost to public money was because an ex-employee brought a case that was found to be without foundation.
From what I've read of this Jerome Quinn seems to have acted like a big child throughout and he doesn't seem to have much of a case.
Having said that there is undoubtedly a culture of rugby, local soccer, hockey, gaa in that order.
When given licence to they can make good GAA programmes. The championship is good and the Season ticket specials on Oisin McConville and Marty Clarke were well made.
I would imagine in terms of viewing figures the Ulster championship would rank higher than the IFA cup final etc.
Rather than spend money on Irish language programmes that no one watches, they should make a good quality weekly GAA show and buy rights to show all GAA footage of league/championship.
Quote from: Orangemac on September 11, 2010, 12:47:53 AM
Having said that there is undoubtedly a culture of rugby, local soccer, hockey, gaa in that order.
Hockey? Where? How many hockey matches have been broadcast and when? And they're showing the Magners league this year, but before this, how much rugby did the BBC broadcast? And local soccer - is it one or two live matches a year?
The only place there might be some imbalance is the coverage on Newsline, but if you look across BBC NI, the GAA doesn't fare too bad at all.
Quote from: Orangemac on September 11, 2010, 12:47:53 AM
I would imagine in terms of viewing figures the Ulster championship would rank higher than the IFA cup final etc.
Rather than spend money on Irish language programmes that no one watches, they should make a good quality weekly GAA show and buy rights to show all GAA footage of league/championship.
You clearly don't understand the remit of the BBC. It's not a commercial broadcaster.
WTF? It was in the paper last week that Jerome is now seeking a judicial review of the original verdict??? I presume that the BBC would have insurance to cover the legal costs associated with cases like this and its not a case of licence fee money being squandered?
Having been in a witness box myself defending my employers in the past, I have always thought that it is far to easy in the North of Ireland for disgruntled employees to raise a false grievance, and take a case, in the hope of getting a handy few bob in an out of court settlement, or alternatively dragging their employers through the mud, as trhey know full well that even if they haven't a hope in hell of winning, some if not all of the mud they throw will stick in the public's mind.
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 11, 2010, 10:34:55 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 11, 2010, 10:08:52 AM
Quote from: Orangemac on September 11, 2010, 12:47:53 AM
Having said that there is undoubtedly a culture of rugby, local soccer, hockey, gaa in that order.
Hockey? Where? How many hockey matches have been broadcast and when? And they're showing the Magners league this year, but before this, how much rugby did the BBC broadcast? And local soccer - is it one or two live matches a year?
The only place there might be some imbalance is the coverage on Newsline, but if you look across BBC NI, the GAA doesn't fare too bad at all.
+1
Newsline seems to be more easily manipulated by those with an agenda and there is a tabloid tendency. You would be surprised to know who is behind the reporting of negative GAA stories in Newsline with Mr Watson merely a frontman to deliver. Last March, it was used by some to attempt to embarass me instead of highlighting the biggest day in the school sporting calendar not only for the lads in the MacRory Cup final on 17th March but the lads in the major rugby and soccer competitions. How much more positive and interesting it would have been to preview their games and achievements.
I would be critical of production values and amateurish, colloquial and patronising reporting/delivery by individuals on the BBC. The local service is miles behind the UK service in broadcasting sport. Even UK BBC is beginning to fall behind the satellite broadcasters.
It would be interesting to measure the amount of sport on the Irish broadcasting channels in terms of Gaelic games v Other (foreign games) sport. It certainly would be interesting to look at the number of hours on TG4. Despite its high output of Gaelic games, it shows huge number of hours of rugby, soccer, tennis, rugby, AFL, etc. In my opinion, there is no harm in it but I think the BBC shouldn't carry the can for so many complaints about broadcasting time for Gaelic games. We should be complaining that so much of the money in BBC broadcasting of Gaelic games is wasted on poor delivery in every aspect from commentary to punditry.
Would completely agree with this.... I think the BBC actually do cover GAA considerably; relatives in England were able to watch the match on Sunday through BBC NI - they couldn't pick up RTE.
However, generally, the standard of commentator, analyst and reporter are poor. If they are going to cover matches, they should go the whole hog and make it a spectacle - if it was advertised properly in England, Scotland, Wales, it would be some boost to their ratings, as plenty of people would be interested.
Could they look at covering National League next year, or have TG4 got the rights?
my problem is that on any saturday evening I can see the results on the news and even a wee snippet of Lisnagarvey playing Banbridge with one man and his dog watching, yet on the sunday evening i won't have a fuckin clue about any club championship games going on all over the north, hurling and football with thousands at them.
I might get a bit of coverage on a monday night if the Derry lads are pucking the heads off each other the previous day, but not too much if all was quiet on the melee front.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 21, 2010, 07:33:22 PM
WTF? It was in the paper last week that Jerome is now seeking a judicial review of the original verdict??? I presume that the BBC would have insurance to cover the legal costs associated with cases like this and its not a case of licence fee money being squandered?
Having been in a witness box myself defending my employers in the past, I have always thought that it is far to easy in the North of Ireland for disgruntled employees to raise a false grievance, and take a case, in the hope of getting a handy few bob in an out of court settlement, or alternatively dragging their employers through the mud, as trhey know full well that even if they haven't a hope in hell of winning, some if not all of the mud they throw will stick in the public's mind.
Well any Judicial Review would like be against the Employment Tribunal rather than directly against the BBC.
Quote from: johnneycool on September 22, 2010, 10:44:46 AM
my problem is that on any saturday evening I can see the results on the news and even a wee snippet of Lisnagarvey playing Banbridge with one man and his dog watching, yet on the sunday evening i won't have a fuckin clue about any club championship games going on all over the north, hurling and football with thousands at them.
I might get a bit of coverage on a monday night if the Derry lads are pucking the heads off each other the previous day, but not too much if all was quiet on the melee front.
Who supplies the soccer coverage? I don't think the BBC have cameras at all of those local games.
Does the GAA provide coverage to the BBC? Should they?
Should the BBC be covering club championship games? Where do you stop?
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on September 22, 2010, 11:08:46 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 21, 2010, 07:33:22 PM
WTF? It was in the paper last week that Jerome is now seeking a judicial review of the original verdict??? I presume that the BBC would have insurance to cover the legal costs associated with cases like this and its not a case of licence fee money being squandered?
Having been in a witness box myself defending my employers in the past, I have always thought that it is far to easy in the North of Ireland for disgruntled employees to raise a false grievance, and take a case, in the hope of getting a handy few bob in an out of court settlement, or alternatively dragging their employers through the mud, as trhey know full well that even if they haven't a hope in hell of winning, some if not all of the mud they throw will stick in the public's mind.
Well any Judicial Review would like be against the Employment Tribunal rather than directly against the BBC.
So there's a chance he could be properly out of pocket then?
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 22, 2010, 07:42:36 PM
While the judicial review will be against the decision by the Tribunal, it may also cite the BBC who would have to appear in court to defend its position. The first stage in seeking a judicial review is to convince the judge that you have an "arguable" case which is a low threshold. It will cost because you must have a solicitor and at least one barrister but legal aid is available. However, if you are defending a case against someone with legal aid then you cannot have costs awarded to you if you win.
Would he be entitled to legal aid?
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 22, 2010, 07:44:08 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 22, 2010, 07:42:36 PM
While the judicial review will be against the decision by the Tribunal, it may also cite the BBC who would have to appear in court to defend its position. The first stage in seeking a judicial review is to convince the judge that you have an "arguable" case which is a low threshold. It will cost because you must have a solicitor and at least one barrister but legal aid is available. However, if you are defending a case against someone with legal aid then you cannot have costs awarded to you if you win.
Would he be entitled to legal aid?
I hope not. This farce has went on long enough.
He broke the terms and conditions of his employment, he got fired and took the BBC to a tribunal claiming all sorts of discrimination against him. In fact, none existed and the BBC were able to prove that. If you or I were to do what he did on a work pc we would be fired and rightly so.
Without wishing to sound like Joe Brolly,I thought there was provision albeit in extreme cases, where the tribunal can be asked to consider if the complainant's case was completely spurious and without any foundation, and the defendant if he or she can convince the Tribunal that this was so, could then pursue the complainant for recovery of costs?
I myself have as part of my car insurance got cover for legal costs in the event of industrial disputes initiated by me, but I assume I would need to convince the insurers of the merits of my case beforehand, before submitting any insurance claims in this regard.
But as I said before abyone can raise a grievance against an employer and decide to do so without any legal representation, thus incurring no costs, and availing of a free opportunity to drag an employer's name through the Courts with all the attendant bad publicity etc
I am pretty sure legal aid is not available to those taking industrial disputes to Tribunals
If the case of an individual/group of individuals has got as far as an industrial tribunal then I'd say in most cases it's being funded by the union these individuals are members of. The union's lawyers only give the go-ahead if they think it has a good chance of success, if not a union wouldn't fund it and the individuals would have to fund it themselves if they went against union legal advice
Who would pump money into this?
Surely any individual can bring a case and choose to represent him or herself (as I believe was the situation here) without any professional legal assistance and without therefore incurring any legal fees. Its a no lose situation, one of the following three scenarios has to emerge.
1. You get an out of court settlement
2. You actually win the case and get a monetary award
3. You lose the case but the mud you throw at your erstwhile employers sticks in the public mind, and you also create turmoil for your erstwhile employers
Are there not costs in bring the case before the courts - court costs?
No, the only costs associated are for hiring solicitors/barristers. So if you represent yourself you don't incur a penny
Yeah, but you have to present your case in a legal basis on paper before the tribunal will even let you open your gob in the formal process, and that can only be done if you have legal knowledge to competently do so, or you hire a barrister, which costs big bucks, but which will be covered by the union if their advice is that the case is winnable (i.e the loser ends up paying damages to the individual AND the union's costs)
Surely the whole point of the Tribunal is a less formalised legal setting where individuals can argue their case on their own behalf if they choose without the need to hire legal assistance. Therefore you wouldn't need to be Petrocelli to argue your case, and most industrial disputes are straightforward enough to present, involving allegations of some form of discrimination or unfair treatment.
As I said before its too easy to raise a grievance and its effectively a non lose situation for the complainant. Tribunals wee hear any case to justify their existence
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 22, 2010, 05:12:17 PM
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my problem is that on any saturday evening I can see the results on the news and even a wee snippet of Lisnagarvey playing Banbridge with one man and his dog watching, yet on the sunday evening i won't have a fuckin clue about any club championship games going on all over the north, hurling and football with thousands at them.
I might get a bit of coverage on a monday night if the Derry lads are pucking the heads off each other the previous day, but not too much if all was quiet on the melee front.
Who supplies the soccer coverage? I don't think the BBC have cameras at all of those local games.
Not all Irish league games are covered, i didn't say they were, just the big ones, and I'd bet they're BBC camera's
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 22, 2010, 05:12:17 PM
Does the GAA provide coverage to the BBC? Should they?
I'm assuming you're talking about the GAA recording their own footage or getting a third party to do it and giving the BBC access. Currently I'd say this is not the case however with all the rancour over the CCCC and video evidence they might need to look at this.
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 22, 2010, 05:12:17 PM
Should the BBC be covering club championship games? Where do you stop?
Well if they see fit to send camera's to a sporting event attended by 50 to 250 people then yes surely a club championship game with multiples more in attendance is equally merited
All I want is a results program on a sunday evening giving a run down of club and or National League results for the day like we get on the saturday for soccer, rugby and hockey.
Is that too much to ask?
Er, is there not only already, on local BBC Radio immediately after the 6pm Angelus and News?
Quote from: T Fearon on September 23, 2010, 10:42:50 AM
Er, is there not only already, on local BBC Radio immediately after the 6pm Angelus and News?
It was the TV I was talking about.
Johnny in fairness to the BBC, Saturday is the big sporting day of the week in the North and in the larger island across the Irish Sea, and their local Saturday results programme is part of the overall Grandstand programme package, covering several sports, so its not going to be replicated on Sundays to accommodate one sport, due to cost issues etc.
The coverage given by local BBC to the GAA is excellent, through its various media, ie tv, radio and online. I do not see how any reasonable person could complain about this.
How would you know a reasonable man Tony?
I am the epitome of reasonableness and liberalism
Somebody stop the world and let Tony off
Quote from: snatter on September 10, 2010, 01:52:01 PM
Hi Glensman,
The obvious solution to avoiding such costly proceedings is for BBC NI's coverage to be commensurate to the support that each sport receives locally.
Some small adjustment could be made to the formula to ensure that minority sports are covered.
To illustrate, imagine that, on a given date, there were two events, with 10,000 at an Ulster Club Championship gaelic football match, and 167 at Dungannon Swifts v Newry Town soccer match.
In a publicly funded media outlet, based on attendance figures, the gaelic match should get prominence as the lead story, and should receive 90% of available local NI sports broadcast time. The remaining 10% would cover the soccer match (generous considering it having a mere 0.016% of that day's spectators).
To date, BBC NI's coverage has not adhered to such simple reasoning. Having liaised with BBC NI on the matter, it appears that BBC NI hide behind opinion polls that say that soccer is NI's most popular sport and accordingly soccer should get prominence.
The key corrupting factor in BBC NI's reasoning is that they do not distinguish between English soccer and local NI soccer in the opinion polls used to direct editorial policy. If they did so, they would find that local NI soccer is of no interest to many who would follow English soccer. This lack of interest is confirmed by shockingly low attendance figures at NI soccer matches. Moreover, actual attendance figures must surely be more accurate in gauging interest rather than opinion polls.
BBC NI need to be reminded that their remit is to cover local sport, and the scale and depth of local sport coverage should reflect interest in local, not English soccer. If they'd done that, they wouldn't have wasted an alleged 600k of public money.
Firstly Dungannon Swifts would get that big a crowd!! The point you are making though about attendance is correct. However lets Understand that the BBC is reporting on the basis that our wee province is a standalone Unionist State and whilst they don't mind throwing the Croppies the odd bone if you'll pardon the mixed metaphors equality is out of the question.
That said Jerome was clutching at straws.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 23, 2010, 11:28:31 AM
Johnny in fairness to the BBC, Saturday is the big sporting day of the week in the North and in the larger island across the Irish Sea, and their local Saturday results programme is part of the overall Grandstand programme package, covering several sports, so its not going to be replicated on Sundays to accommodate one sport, due to cost issues etc.
The coverage given by local BBC to the GAA is excellent, through its various media, ie tv, radio and online. I do not see how any reasonable person could complain about this.
And Sunday is a big sports day of a very sizeable portion of the six counties I don't think it would be unreasonable to have a 10 minute slot on the TV for us who follow gaelic games and in particular hurling which in all probability has a bigger support and player base than mens hockey where cost doesn't seem to be an issue.
Radio Ulster is normally doing the rounds on soccer all day saturday yet we still get a results program on the TV at early evening.
Why should this not be replicated on the sunday??
Well logistically, it would be hard to collate scores of GAA club results and broadcast these on a Sunday evening. I can't see myself even, waiting avidly in front of a tv screen on a Sunday eveing to see if Granemore had defeated Ballymacnab in an Armagh Div 2 game.
In terms of overall coverage (when you take into account the Championship and Colleges Finals, and time devoted on various news bulletins, radio and online etc etc) I'd say that GAA must now be at the top of or fairly close to the top, of the BBC's total sports output, and rightly so. It has taken a long time for this to happen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kN15IZGeMg
Quote from: T Fearon on September 23, 2010, 02:03:38 PM
Well logistically, it would be hard to collate scores of GAA club results and broadcast these on a Sunday evening. I can't see myself even, waiting avidly in front of a tv screen on a Sunday eveing to see if Granemore had defeated Ballymacnab in an Armagh Div 2 game.
In terms of overall coverage (when you take into account the Championship and Colleges Finals, and time devoted on various news bulletins, radio and online etc etc) I'd say that GAA must now be at the top of or fairly close to the top, of the BBC's total sports output, and rightly so. It has taken a long time for this to happen.
I've as much interested in how Ballymacnab do as east antrim hockey team, but still that isn't the point.
As for overall coverage, well maybe intercounty football might get a fair airing in your opinion but hurling in the north certainly doesn't.
Quote from: johnneycool on September 23, 2010, 10:14:20 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 22, 2010, 05:12:17 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 22, 2010, 10:44:46 AM
my problem is that on any saturday evening I can see the results on the news and even a wee snippet of Lisnagarvey playing Banbridge with one man and his dog watching, yet on the sunday evening i won't have a fuckin clue about any club championship games going on all over the north, hurling and football with thousands at them.
I might get a bit of coverage on a monday night if the Derry lads are pucking the heads off each other the previous day, but not too much if all was quiet on the melee front.
Who supplies the soccer coverage? I don't think the BBC have cameras at all of those local games.
Not all Irish league games are covered, i didn't say they were, just the big ones, and I'd bet they're BBC camera's
So you're clearly guessing. How much would you bet? Or maybe you should ask them.
Quote from: johnneycool on September 23, 2010, 10:14:20 AM
Well if they see fit to send camera's to a sporting event attended by 50 to 250 people then yes surely a club championship game with multiples more in attendance is equally merited
The BBC isn't in the business of covering things on the basis of popularity; that's not their remit. They have an obligation to cover minority interests and local soccer would fit that bill.
Having said that, there is plenty of GAA coverage on BBC - I don't think we need TV coverage of the games at every level. Some coverage at club level from county finals onwards is more than enough if you ask me. And I don't think the BBC needs to be the only media outlet expected to cover every last bit of GAA.
Quote from: johnneycool on September 23, 2010, 10:14:20 AM
All I want is a results program on a sunday evening giving a run down of club and or National League results for the day like we get on the saturday for soccer, rugby and hockey.
Is that too much to ask?
Personally I couldn't be bothered with that. If I can see the results on my laptop or on my phone i'm not going to turn on the TV for them.
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Quote from: Maguire01 on September 22, 2010, 05:12:17 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 22, 2010, 10:44:46 AM
my problem is that on any saturday evening I can see the results on the news and even a wee snippet of Lisnagarvey playing Banbridge with one man and his dog watching, yet on the sunday evening i won't have a fuckin clue about any club championship games going on all over the north, hurling and football with thousands at them.
I might get a bit of coverage on a monday night if the Derry lads are pucking the heads off each other the previous day, but not too much if all was quiet on the melee front.
Who supplies the soccer coverage? I don't think the BBC have cameras at all of those local games.
Not all Irish league games are covered, i didn't say they were, just the big ones, and I'd bet they're BBC camera's
So you're clearly guessing. How much would you bet? Or maybe you should ask them.
Quote from: johnneycool on September 23, 2010, 10:14:20 AM
Well if they see fit to send camera's to a sporting event attended by 50 to 250 people then yes surely a club championship game with multiples more in attendance is equally merited
The BBC isn't in the business of covering things on the basis of popularity; that's not their remit. They have an obligation to cover minority interests and local soccer would fit that bill.
Having said that, there is plenty of GAA coverage on BBC - I don't think we need TV coverage of the games at every level. Some coverage at club level from county finals onwards is more than enough if you ask me. And I don't think the BBC needs to be the only media outlet expected to cover every last bit of GAA.
Quote from: johnneycool on September 23, 2010, 10:14:20 AM
All I want is a results program on a sunday evening giving a run down of club and or National League results for the day like we get on the saturday for soccer, rugby and hockey.
Is that too much to ask?
Personally I couldn't be bothered with that. If I can see the results on my laptop or on my phone i'm not going to turn on the TV for them.
You could say the same about any TV program. Also while you and I can do that, there are plenty of people in the older generation who do not rely on more modern devices. Some proper coverage of senior county championships is not unreasonable.
Quote from: tyssam5 on September 23, 2010, 08:36:51 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 23, 2010, 08:22:10 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 23, 2010, 10:14:20 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 22, 2010, 05:12:17 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 22, 2010, 10:44:46 AM
my problem is that on any saturday evening I can see the results on the news and even a wee snippet of Lisnagarvey playing Banbridge with one man and his dog watching, yet on the sunday evening i won't have a fuckin clue about any club championship games going on all over the north, hurling and football with thousands at them.
I might get a bit of coverage on a monday night if the Derry lads are pucking the heads off each other the previous day, but not too much if all was quiet on the melee front.
Who supplies the soccer coverage? I don't think the BBC have cameras at all of those local games.
Not all Irish league games are covered, i didn't say they were, just the big ones, and I'd bet they're BBC camera's
So you're clearly guessing. How much would you bet? Or maybe you should ask them.
Quote from: johnneycool on September 23, 2010, 10:14:20 AM
Well if they see fit to send camera's to a sporting event attended by 50 to 250 people then yes surely a club championship game with multiples more in attendance is equally merited
The BBC isn't in the business of covering things on the basis of popularity; that's not their remit. They have an obligation to cover minority interests and local soccer would fit that bill.
Having said that, there is plenty of GAA coverage on BBC - I don't think we need TV coverage of the games at every level. Some coverage at club level from county finals onwards is more than enough if you ask me. And I don't think the BBC needs to be the only media outlet expected to cover every last bit of GAA.
Quote from: johnneycool on September 23, 2010, 10:14:20 AM
All I want is a results program on a sunday evening giving a run down of club and or National League results for the day like we get on the saturday for soccer, rugby and hockey.
Is that too much to ask?
Personally I couldn't be bothered with that. If I can see the results on my laptop or on my phone i'm not going to turn on the TV for them.
You could say the same about any TV program. Also while you and I can do that, there are plenty of people in the older generation who do not rely on more modern devices. Some proper coverage of senior county championships is not unreasonable.
Like the wireless?
Oh, and you couldn't say that about any TV programme. I'm not going to watch a programme on my phone like i'd check results.
Quote from: johnneycool on September 23, 2010, 10:14:20 AM
All I want is a results program on a sunday evening giving a run down of club and or National League results for the day like we get on the saturday for soccer, rugby and hockey.
Radio 1 has a run down of all the results on a Sunday night before the 11 o'clock news with Seán Óg Ó Ceallacháin.
Why the need for the Beeb to provide a service RTÉ already provide?
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 23, 2010, 08:45:13 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 23, 2010, 10:14:20 AM
All I want is a results program on a sunday evening giving a run down of club and or National League results for the day like we get on the saturday for soccer, rugby and hockey.
Radio 1 has a run down of all the results on a Sunday night before the 11 o'clock news with Seán Óg Ó Ceallacháin.
Why the need for the Beeb to provide a service RTÉ already provide?
Because if it isn't used to cover GAA, "themmuns" will get it!
if coverage of gaelic games is not covered on the beeb why should we pay them? thats the point! you can put utv in front of all your points and theyre just the same. you can say sure i dont watch it, thats your choice, but even if you never watch the evil bbc theyre still gonna want £145/year on the premise that they provide fair and impartial public broadcasting when clearly they dont.eg these tossers further embarassed themselves on irl final day in the canalcourt in newry and in a cinema in downpatrick when they went to record there both places had rte on :D :D says it all >:(
met jerome today hes getting on ok and in good form. nice guy. if you need any stuff filmed like a match or something your clubs doing give him a turn ;)
Jerome Quinn Media - for the Dublin championship.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvojDXU-5Qc//
Quote from: lawnseed on September 24, 2010, 12:14:59 AM
if coverage of gaelic games is not covered on the beeb why should we pay them? thats the point! you can put utv in front of all your points and theyre just the same. you can say sure i dont watch it, thats your choice, but even if you never watch the evil bbc theyre still gonna want £145/year on the premise that they provide fair and impartial public broadcasting when clearly they dont.eg these t**sers further embarassed themselves on irl final day in the canalcourt in newry and in a cinema in downpatrick when they went to record there both places had rte on :D :D says it all >:(
met jerome today hes getting on ok and in good form. nice guy. if you need any stuff filmed like a match or something your clubs doing give him a turn ;)
I'm confused. What all does it say?
That people in both Newry and Downpatrick get good rte reception ;D
Or that people just like a good moan. Moan that the BBC don't cover GAA but watch it on RTÉ when they do.
I'm really at a loss here. The coverage of GAA on BBC has multiplied hugely in recent times and now surely surpasses soccer and rugby. I do not see any cause whatsoever for complaint. Sure they don't have any Miceal O'Muircheartaighs, or calibre of analysts like Spillane, O'Rourke etc, but there is no reasonable cause for complaint imho.
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 25, 2010, 11:51:11 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 25, 2010, 11:11:58 AM
I'm really at a loss here. The coverage of GAA on BBC has multiplied hugely in recent times and now surely surpasses soccer and rugby. I do not see any cause whatsoever for complaint. Sure they don't have any Miceal O'Muircheartaighs, or calibre of analysts like Spillane, O'Rourke etc, but there is no reasonable cause for complaint imho.
It's the quality of the presentation that is the problem.
Axe to grind?
The quality of the broadcasting is the standard of local NI broadcasting - no better and no worse so I don't think we have anything to complain about here.
I believe they should be covering the ulster club - and they have started to - however they shouldn't be doing in-county club games. There was a year there where they didn't cover this and on here there was outrage and rightly so. Coverage has improved now.
Also it does sometimes seem like they're very keen to show the fights but on the whole coverage isn't that bad.
Jerome hasn't fared too well out of this- to be honest he's made himself look like a bit of an eejit. He still deserves some respect for greatly increasing the coverage of the GAA.
I think self delusions like self proclaiming yourself "the voice/face of the GAA" indicate a hugely self inflated ego. GAA coverage like coverage of all sports in all media everywhere, has evolved with the BBC, and no one person deserves any special credit.
If anything the BBC could have taken umbrage with Ulster GAA, as after having got the ball rolling with meaningful television coverage back in 1990, they were shafted by the Ulster Council who sold the rights in the mid 90s to UTV for more money.
I well remember back in the 70s when RTE wasn't accessible in the North and all you got all year was 30 minutes of highlights of the Ulster Final late on a Sunday night in July on tv, and perhaps a live screening of the Ulster team in the All Ireland semi final (and of course the 1977 All Ireland Final thanks to Armagh ;D). There is no comparison these days, and instead of whingeing people should be grateful
Quote from: T Fearon on September 25, 2010, 01:27:10 PM
I think self delusions like self proclaiming yourself "the voice/face of the GAA" indicate a hugely self inflated ego. GAA coverage like coverage of all sports in all media everywhere, has evolved with the BBC, and no one person deserves any special credit.
If anything the BBC could have taken umbrage with Ulster GAA, as after having got the ball rolling with meaningful television coverage back in 1990, they were shafted by the Ulster Council who sold the rights in the mid 90s to UTV for more money.
I well remember back in the 70s when RTE wasn't accessible in the North and all you got all year was 30 minutes of highlights of the Ulster Final late on a Sunday night in July on tv, and perhaps a live screening of the Ulster team in the All Ireland semi final (and of course the 1977 All Ireland Final thanks to Armagh ;D). There is no comparison these days, and instead of whingeing people should be grateful
We all need a nice cup of Tony Fearon's Modesty tea. With full fat milk of course and a wee spoon of sugar to hide that bitterness.
Whatever about Tony's newfound love of the BBC it does not fairly reflect the popularity of the GAA within the region to which it broadcasts, the reality is it shows all sorts of roundups and goals from the Irish League it carries commentary on Ulster Rugby matches and even shows the "NationalTeam's" matches on BBC2. Hardly a balanced reflection of where we are. The fact is more people will watch a Club football match in all but the lower divisions in most Ulster Counties than would attend an Irish Premier League Match, where is the roundup of Gaelic Games where will the coverage of the Ulster Club be an easy excuse to claim TG4 has the rights they could reach a mutual arrangement. Truth is BBC and UTV for that matter only carry GGA when there is a row at a match.... then we get lots of airtime.
applesisapples. Wasn't every Ulster Championship match shown live on television by BBC this year, and the All Ireland semi final and final, yesterday the Tyrone ladies game was covered live on radio and wasn't there a radio programme broadcasting live NFL games every Sunday afternoon between February and April, and also sometimes on Saturday nights etc, and aren't a substantial number of important club games broadcast live and others reported on etc, not to mention online coverage etc etc.
Just because there is substantially less interest in local soccer and rugby doesn't mean that these should not be covered, and the BBC covers far more live GAA Games than soccer or rugby games. After all if popular taste was the only criiteria Hugo Duncan would be permanently silenced. I would contend now that GAA coverage accounts for the major share of the BBC's sports output.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 25, 2010, 01:27:10 PM
I think self delusions like self proclaiming yourself "the voice/face of the GAA" indicate a hugely self inflated ego. GAA coverage like coverage of all sports in all media everywhere, has evolved with the BBC, and no one person deserves any special credit.
If anything the BBC could have taken umbrage with Ulster GAA, as after having got the ball rolling with meaningful television coverage back in 1990, they were shafted by the Ulster Council who sold the rights in the mid 90s to UTV for more money.
I well remember back in the 70s when RTE wasn't accessible in the North and all you got all year was 30 minutes of highlights of the Ulster Final late on a Sunday night in July on tv, and perhaps a live screening of the Ulster team in the All Ireland semi final (and of course the 1977 All Ireland Final thanks to Armagh ;D). There is no comparison these days, and instead of whingeing people should be grateful
might have been blowing his trumpet a bit but Jerome WAS Mr Gaa at one stage. A lot of what now passes for GAA tv coverage in the north of Ireland can be traced back to Jeromes good work kicking it all off.
I think people want a bit more GAA coverage as the games are popular - i'd like to see championship footage of all ulster counties club championship games as thre are snippets of hockey, rugby, soccer etc shown on weekly basis. Not too much to ask for a bit more 'equality' !
I'd like rte to show a bit more club championship games also - though TG4 are doing a good job in this regard, I'd still want more on the telly !
there is a demand for it !
Quote from: T Fearon on September 27, 2010, 09:10:55 AM
applesisapples. Wasn't every Ulster Championship match shown live on television by BBC this year, and the All Ireland semi final and final, yesterday the Tyrone ladies game was covered live on radio and wasn't there a radio programme broadcasting live NFL games every Sunday afternoon between February and April, and also sometimes on Saturday nights etc, and aren't a substantial number of important club games broadcast live and others reported on etc, not to mention online coverage etc etc.
Just because there is substantially less interest in local soccer and rugby doesn't mean that these should not be covered, and the BBC covers far more live GAA Games than soccer or rugby games. After all if popular taste was the only criiteria Hugo Duncan would be permanently silenced. I would contend now that GAA coverage accounts for the major share of the BBC's sports output.
I'm not suggesting that minority sports like soccer and rugby should be given less air time, but when you consider the general amount of time given to GAA in general considering the interest then there is a definite paucity of coverage. For example the Antrim hurling final was on yesterday, more people at it than you would get at your average IFA Cup final and it gets a line on Radio Ulster. As an Ulster Gael and one with an interest in both codes it remains my opinion that there is insufficient coverage, we can agree to differ. By the way why do peolpe in Poyntzpass park in the middle of the main st? ;)
Ha Ha Ha, cos there's never any fecking parkin space near the one and only retail outlet :D :D
I think the argument goes that a soccer fan in the 6 counties pays the same licence fee as a GAA Fan, therefore deserves his or her sport to be covered. Implausible though it sounds, Irish League soccer games are the equivalent for him of Inter County Senior Championship games, thats why you'll see goal highlights etc.
To be honest I've never seen the Kilkenny County Senior Hurling Final covered by RTE.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 27, 2010, 12:20:38 PM
Ha Ha Ha, cos there's never any fecking parkin space near the one and only retail outlet :D :D
I think the argument goes that a soccer fan in the 6 counties pays the same licence fee as a GAA Fan, therefore deserves his or her sport to be covered. Implausible though it sounds, Irish League soccer games are the equivalent for him of Inter County Senior Championship games, thats why you'll see goal highlights etc.
To be honest I've never seen the Kilkenny County Senior Hurling Final covered by RTE.
are TG4 not owned by RTE ?
these (selected) county finals are screened every year now for the past few years...
Don't think so, is TG4 not Government funded with additional revenue streams from advertising? In any event it has become practically a sports channel covering soccer, gaa and tennis even.
Not comparing like with like here. Any fair minded person would concede that the GAA is getting a fair deal from BBC now. Of course not every event can be covered, but GAA is well catered for.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 27, 2010, 02:06:23 PM
Don't think so, is TG4 not Government funded with additional revenue streams from advertising? In any event it has become practically a sports channel covering soccer, gaa and tennis even.
Not comparing like with like here. Any fair minded person would concede that the GAA is getting a fair deal from BBC now. Of course not every event can be covered, but GAA is well catered for.
I did believe that our taxpayers money and TV licence paid for TG4 - certainly they do not operate out of advertising revenue ! Bit of a lame attempt to say its a sports cannel Tone - you obv only watch it when games are on !
I would agree that sports are on terrestial TV more than in yesteryear when coverage was painfully lacking. But to try and intimate that there is equal let alone enough GAA coverage is a p**s take too far to be honest - even for you !
LB, honestly I can't see any cause for grievance here, and I'd be the first in line with my cudgel if there was. ;D Every game in the Ulster Championship is covered live, as are the Ulster teams in the latter stages of the AI, any significant GAA developments are broadcast on the 6.30pm evening news, BBC Radio has a game live practically every Sunday (inlcuding Tyrone ladies yesterday) and added to the online coverage etc, I cannot see what more the BBC can do given its finite resources etc. I don't know of another programme from the BBC here like the Championship, that is on so frequently and dedicated to one particular sport. I really am at a loss here to see what the grievance is in terms of the BBC's GAA coverage.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 27, 2010, 03:10:10 PM
LB, honestly I can't see any cause for grievance here, and I'd be the first in line with my cudgel if there was. ;D Every game in the Ulster Championship is covered live, as are the Ulster teams in the latter stages of the AI, any significant GAA developments are broadcast on the 6.30pm evening news, BBC Radio has a game live practically every Sunday (inlcuding Tyrone ladies yesterday) and added to the online coverage etc, I cannot see what more the BBC can do given its finite resources etc. I don't know of another programme from the BBC here like the Championship, that is on so frequently and dedicated to one particular sport. I really am at a loss here to see what the grievance is in terms of the BBC's GAA coverage.
not even close
with so many soccer matches covered and 'highlights' from pog-a-sus varsas ra-lwa une-ah-yun in the div 2 hockey league etc shown every saturday, then if not for equality , but to show a huge proportion of GAA followers their preferred games by putting a few snippets of action from football and hurling club championship games on a sunday - if not a saturday (for games played thus far that particular weekend) - well I wont consider this enough or equal viewing time.
while rte are carp - they are consistent. They show all the major soccer, rugby, boxing as well as Gaelic games.
setanta and to a far lesser extent TV3 and TG4 show more lower level 'local' sports.
BBC show 4 or 5 Chamionship matches each summer depending on Ulster representation, lord help us if Cavan, Monaghan or Donegal make a final. This is over 3 months. Where is the coverage from September to May. Comparisons with RTE don't stack, RTE is a national station which actually looks after Ulster reasonably well. BBC NI is local or regional and could show highlights of Ulster Club or County Senior finals games with much greater potential interest than Larne versus Dungannon Swifts!!
I would imagine RTE have far greater resources than BBC North of Ireland, not too mention two significantly long news bulletins at night. I don't see any live hockey on BBC, no live domestic soccer, except for he two cup finals etc.
Looks like we are going to have to disagree on this, but I would argue that nowadays GAA accounts for more proportionately of the BBC's sports output than any other given individual sport.
Another poster made a good point here as well, as to why the BBC bothers, when with a choice, most people, myself included, opt to watch matches on RTE
It's about difference Tony, hence I mentioned Club matches. but I said before agree to differ.
I can't actually believe that I agree with Tony. :o I feel slightly ill.
(Although as I had already been saying the same thing, technically it's him that agrees with me.)
The BBC can't cover every competition in every sport, so they appear to concentrate finite resources on the main competitions in each sport. I don't think we should expect TV coverage of club games. Some people here seem to reckon there's a real demand for such coverage - if there was, i'm sure the commercial competition would have been sniffing. It doesn't appear that they have.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 27, 2010, 04:16:56 PM
while rte are carp - they are consistent. They show all the major soccer, rugby, boxing as well as Gaelic games.
setanta and to a far lesser extent TV3 and TG4 show more lower level 'local' sports.
We can't really bring Setanta into the mix, can we? Is it not a pay to view sports channel?
Maguire, fear not, most people come round to my way of thinking eventually ;) It just takes some a little longer than others
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 27, 2010, 09:29:28 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 27, 2010, 04:16:56 PM
while rte are carp - they are consistent. They show all the major soccer, rugby, boxing as well as Gaelic games.
setanta and to a far lesser extent TV3 and TG4 show more lower level 'local' sports.
We can't really bring Setanta into the mix, can we? Is it not a pay to view sports channel?
at least in Dublin its not....
maguire and tony
while I appreciate your views on the bbc screening some gaelic football games and secondly they 'cant televise every sport' - I cannot accept you are comparing like for like.
if you do, then you will see that people are just unhappy that kiss-me-erse competitions and games like hockey league matches, motorbike 'races' (to me this isnt even a sport !!), cricket, local soccer etc can have some highlights but club hurling or football cannot - well until the bbc start showing snippets of action from a few selected CLUB championship hurling or football matches - then and only then will this be on a par with whatever else they are showing.
I'd like to see rte show more also (or TG4 etc) but thats another argument. Obv the bbc have a budget to film and broadcast local 'sports' - so they need to show more diverse range and include hurling and football as right now a dozen or so games broadcast doesnt equate to the amount of coverage over the other 9 months of the year that these other highlighted 'sports' get !
tony, you are not looking at the bigger picture as usual !
sending a reporter and tv crew to the canal court on all ireland final day to watch RTE is gaa coverage??? ::) ::) just been on ceefax no mention of gaa at all. just been on rte to get armagh club results on aertel and guess what they're all there every county including the 6 occupied ones where rte get no revenue.
I would actually counter that argument by saying you are not comparing like for like...
The Irish league is the top soccer competition in NI. The ulster hockey league, or whatever it's called, is likewise. These competitions are representative of the top of those sports in NI.
The antrim, derry, tyrone, armagh etc county championships are not. The ulster club championship and the ulster championship are. Therefore these two competitions are equivalent to the Irish league and the ulster hockey league in different sports.
I don't in any way expect BBC to cover county finals. I would however expect them to cover ulster championship club and county.
They now do this. Club games are on radio live and county on tv live.
My big gripe would have been when they didn't do this. They did very much appear to be lacking in funds however the GAA did seem to be the first to go. They have upped their game significantly however.
They are still very quick to highlight rucuses in the GAA mind but if you compare like for like our games are getting coverage.
The BBC should be covering the top of each sport in NI. As per above argument they are.
we could get into that ITG but to some the ulster club championships are not important - well they are a bonus- the be all and end all is the county title for most apart from maybe st galls and cross !
I dont expect anything from div 2 league club games or below - but the top clubs imo are on a par skill level at least with these soccer teams (many of which are populated by intercounty GAA players when they feel so inclined to play soccer - most dont as it infringes on their football commitments) - anyhow the ulster club championship is only a couple of games - bolt that on the the dozen or so intercounty televised matches per season and you still are shy or 20 weekends !
maybe cricket, croquet, ifa soccer, tennis, hockey motorbikes, motor cars and rallying are of interest to varying amounts of people, but I can bet that there would be a consensus for televisation of Gaelic games - club championship match highlights -more than there would be for most of the other sports with maybe the exception of the soccer !
if its equal televisation then it should be some other sports that get dropped not football or hurling. that they havent the money is pathetic excuse given they wont drop full coverage of soccer or limit the idiotic 'sports' like motorbikes or massively minority sports like hockey which has a following equal of crochet I'd imagine !
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 27, 2010, 10:40:26 PM
maguire and tony
while I appreciate your views on the bbc screening some gaelic football games and secondly they 'cant televise every sport' - I cannot accept you are comparing like for like.
if you do, then you will see that people are just unhappy that kiss-me-erse competitions and games like hockey league matches, motorbike 'races' (to me this isnt even a sport !!), cricket, local soccer etc can have some highlights but club hurling or football cannot - well until the bbc start showing snippets of action from a few selected CLUB championship hurling or football matches - then and only then will this be on a par with whatever else they are showing.
I'd like to see rte show more also (or TG4 etc) but thats another argument. Obv the bbc have a budget to film and broadcast local 'sports' - so they need to show more diverse range and include hurling and football as right now a dozen or so games broadcast doesnt equate to the amount of coverage over the other 9 months of the year that these other highlighted 'sports' get !
tony, you are not looking at the bigger picture as usual !
Exactly!!
There is a huge motorbike fraternity North and South, as evidenced by the crowds at the NW 200 every year. As fasr as I'm aware the BBC show snippets of Club Finals and NFL games etc. I have not been presented with a clear intelligent argument yet to make me revise my opinion, which remains that GAA accounts for the single greatest portion of BBC sports output.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 28, 2010, 09:06:27 AM
There is a huge motorbike fraternity North and South, as evidenced by the crowds at the NW 200 every year. As fasr as I'm aware the BBC show snippets of Club Finals and NFL games etc. I have not been presented with a clear intelligent argument yet to make me revise my opinion, which remains that GAA accounts for the single greatest portion of BBC sports output.
your own (non) argument is trying to drag in southern 'fans' to bump up northern biker fans !
club finals are not enough.
for parity and for proper GAA coverage, there should be the same kind of effort put in to broadcast snippets from a few selected club championship games from across the north of Ireland if not Ulster each week from May to November while club championships are on.
If minority sports can get weekly airtime, wy not Gaelic games.
so far you have not given any good reason why not !
The NW 200 is the largest single crowd attracting event in Ulster each year. On average the crowd at a GAA club match (barring a big Championship clash) is also miniscule. To follow the logic of your argument, the BBC should also then cover Tandragee Rovers versus Magherafelt Sky Blues in the Mid Ulster Senior Soccer league.
Do you disagree with me when I contend that GAA sports now account for the largest single part of the BBC sports output? Even more laughingly, do you think Jerome had a case or just a bruised ego?
Quote from: T Fearon on September 28, 2010, 10:29:22 AM
The NW 200 is the largest single crowd attracting event in Ulster each year. On average the crowd at a GAA club match (barring a big Championship clash) is also miniscule. To follow the logic of your argument, the BBC should also then cover Tandragee Rovers versus Magherafelt Sky Blues in the Mid Ulster Senior Soccer league.
Do you disagree with me when I contend that GAA sports now account for the largest single part of the BBC sports output? Even more laughingly, do you think Jerome had a case or just a bruised ego?
....nw 100 is a SINGLE event ...
do tandragee rovers v magherafelt rangers get much of a crowd going to it or a large following?
those kind of games would equate to div 3 or even div 4 of most county leagues so while it might be nice the odd time to show highlights from a game from these sports 'lower' ranks, the fact remains that domestic soccer gets shown all season long and Gaelic games with bigger crowds and more support get nothing until the end of the provincial championship.
As yet I dont see any real reason for this non coverage of gaelic games throughout the championship months while balyclare comrades v chimney sweep corner gets 5 mins of 'highlights' shown....
I guess when it comes to fair allocation of finite resources, the BBC have to limit themselves generally to the top fixtures in each sport, regardless of crowd size. I would also think that the BBC allocates the largest share of its budget to the sporting high seasons in all codes (eg no soccer in the summer, little GAA in the winter, no motor biking at all before or after the North West etc) Also both BBC and UTV show snippets of big club championship/ colleges/university games regularly. I think you're grasping at straws here. I also think if the Ulster Council (or an independent media company) were to compile a half hour highlights programme each week, featuring GAA club action, that either BBC or UTV would be happy to buy if from them (if the price was right) and broadcast it.
Do you dispute my contention that GAA now accounts for the single biggest portion of the BBC's annual sporting output?
Quote from: T Fearon on September 28, 2010, 02:25:49 PM
I guess when it comes to fair allocation of finite resources, the BBC have to limit themselves generally to the top fixtures in each sport, regardless of crowd size. I would also think that the BBC allocates the largest share of its budget to the sporting high seasons in all codes (eg no soccer in the summer, little GAA in the winter, no motor biking at all before or after the North West etc) Also both BBC and UTV show snippets of big club championship/ colleges/university games regularly. I think you're grasping at straws here. I also think if the Ulster Council (or an independent media company) were to compile a half hour highlights programme each week, featuring GAA club action, that either BBC or UTV would be happy to buy if from them (if the price was right) and broadcast it.
Do you dispute my contention that GAA now accounts for the single biggest portion of the BBC's annual sporting output?
it is yourself thats grasping at straws tony - you cannot see the wood from the trees obv.
if it was like for like coverage - even snippets of a handful of club champiosnsip games every week during championship season it would be better than the non coverage Gaelic football and Hurling currently get ! You forget Hurling btw !!
Post the stats on the sporting budget allocations and I will comment - though will this allow for infrastructural spend already in place in locations I wonder ?
If it was "like for like" coverage in your definition then we'd all be suffering from live transmission of Irish league soccer games, a fate worse than death!
I still contend that GAA accounts now for the largest single portion of the BBC's sporting output, and I think the BBC proved conclusively with hard evidence at the Tribunal that they did not discriminate against Gaelic Games or their employees who present Gaelic Games.
PS Snippets from Antrim County NHL Games are shown regularly on both BBC and UTV, and what you see normally are games played against the backdop of empty terraces.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 27, 2010, 11:17:12 PM
we could get into that ITG but to some the ulster club championships are not important - well they are a bonus- the be all and end all is the county title for most apart from maybe st galls and cross !
That may be true for the people within the county. I couldn't care less who wins the county championship in most counties. I'm sure most people - even most GAA fans - are the same. Seeing the result online is adequate.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 27, 2010, 11:17:12 PM
I dont expect anything from div 2 league club games or below - but the top clubs imo are on a par skill level at least with these soccer teams (many of which are populated by intercounty GAA players when they feel so inclined to play soccer - most dont as it infringes on their football commitments) - anyhow the ulster club championship is only a couple of games - bolt that on the the dozen or so intercounty televised matches per season and you still are shy or 20 weekends !
Skill levels?! What has that got to do with anything?!
So there might be 20 weeks in the year with no GAA coverage. Big deal. Every sport has quieter times of the year. GAA has plenty of coverage during the summer where there's little or no soccer or rugby coverage.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 27, 2010, 11:17:12 PM
maybe cricket, croquet, ifa soccer, tennis, hockey motorbikes, motor cars and rallying are of interest to varying amounts of people, but I can bet that there would be a consensus for televisation of Gaelic games - club championship match highlights -more than there would be for most of the other sports with maybe the exception of the soccer !
if its equal televisation then it should be some other sports that get dropped not football or hurling. that they havent the money is pathetic excuse given they wont drop full coverage of soccer or limit the idiotic 'sports' like motorbikes or massively minority sports like hockey which has a following equal of crochet I'd imagine !
Again,
the BBC is not a commercial broadcaster. They have an obligation top cover minority interests - the things that the commercial broadcasters won't cover. If club GAA was of such interest to a large number of people, UTV should be over it like a rash. They aren't.
And whilst I have zero interest in motorsports, calling them 'idiotic' is pretty ignorant.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 28, 2010, 01:56:07 PM
the fact remains that domestic soccer gets shown all season long
Really?
And how many live domestic soccer games are broadcast?
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 28, 2010, 01:56:07 PM
Gaelic games with bigger crowds and more support get nothing until the end of the provincial championship.
I don't understand this at all.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 28, 2010, 01:56:07 PM
while balyclare comrades v chimney sweep corner gets 5 mins of 'highlights' shown....
I don't think i've ever seen a local soccer match get 5 minutes of highlights on the news. It's normally about 30 seconds. And it's almost exclusively from the 'premier' division games.
sorry maguire - your two posts and point would be valid or relevant if I was looking for like-for-like or full games to be shown on telly.
I'm not.
I am simply looking for a few highlights from a couple of games per week during the 5 or 6 months per season showing club championship games from throughout Ulster or the north of Ireland counties.
minoroty 'sports' are shown (except Hurling), soccer is shown - so the other majority sport should surely get some airtime during club championship season.
getting results from teletext or sources like GaaBoard is not adequate. Thats real head in the sand stuff from the bbc.
tony- the tribunal didnt have to pove much- only that it showed GAA. not difficult to squirm out of Jeromes correct accusations !
lb, I think you are proving that you are deluded. I will keep on contending that gaa accounts for the major single portion of the bbc sports output nowadays. If you think jerome's grievances were legitimate you truly are deluded. Remember the tribunal concluded that he was an unreliable witness, you know what that means. Time to let it go on this, you've well and truly lost the argument. I've already said that the BBC does show snippets of important club games.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 28, 2010, 08:53:59 PM
lb, I think you are proving that you are deluded. I will keep on contending that gaa accounts for the major single portion of the bbc sports output nowadays. If you think jerome's grievances were legitimate you truly are deluded. Remember the tribunal concluded that he was an unreliable witness, you know what that means. Time to let it go on this, you've well and truly lost the argument. I've already said that the BBC does show snippets of important club games.
nice..slip down to insults and being patronising - a sure sign your argument doesnt stack up.
whatever about the Jerone case- and he lost it as he didnt retain proper evidence and as the bbc show full gaa matches- then its always going to have large 'airtime' stats to refute such allegations. in reality there is less of a spread of Gaelic games shown.You obv dont comprehend this and swallow this bbc propaganda !
Anyhow I digress again - the point is not that th bbc show snippets of important games, but to show a cross section of GAA club championship matches throughout the 5 or 6 months they are on during May/june - Oct/Nov in the same manner they show 'highlights' of soccer matches (and they usually have bits from most soccer games).
Unless you can come up with something of note to highlight a bbc programme where they air Gaelic games club championships - that we have all missed, then please refrain from insults when you cant back up your arguments.
You know who I am , I am not taking the p**s unlike yourself, I am disappointed in you however with that kind of insulting response.
LB I'm not sure what exactly you want - could you really justify them spending money on, for example, derry county semi-finals or say an antrim quarter final or the like? Only people within that county, or even within those clubs, give a crap about those. Where would you draw the line with what you want shown? League games, first round c'ship games?
I wouldn't entirely concur with your point about the ulster club. I follow whatever team comes out of my county in the ulster club. I am not that bothered about who wins finals in, no offense, say fermangh or tyrone and I'm sure they are likewise about antrim. The internal county championships and league games are local and the Irish league, Irish cricket league etc are national. That is fact.
Basically with the BBC you will get this:
- 8 televised games with usually 7 live and 1 deferred
- radio coverage of all of the national league and ulster club games.
- highlights on various league games and ulster club matches.
Now I wouldn't necessarily agree with Tony's point that the GAA gets the biggest coverage. Soccer gets live NI games and infinite coverage of Irish league matches and is probably ahead. Rugby could also be given the celtic league ulster matches are live.
I think what we have at present isn't bad. We would all love more however it is fair coverage.
I would again highlight my point that certain people within the BBC are very quick to highlight the bad points in matches and I hate this but in terms of coverage we have a decent amount.
It must be noted that Jerome Quinn helped a lot in moving the BBC here and we should be thankful for it. It is a pity that this whole debacle turned out as it did but unfortunately the man has no-one to blame but himself.
Lb, it certainly wasn't my intention to offend you and I'm genuinely sorry if I did. But most if not all other contributors to this thread share my opinion, that the GAA gets a fair coverage from the bbc nowadays.
Jerome's "grievance" would have been laughable had it not cost so much money and wasted so much time. He presented not one shred of evidence to support his spurious claims and the bbc were able to present reams of evidence in defence.
As someone else said, we'd all like more coverage (I'm sure every sports fan in every code would say the same) but resources are finite and there is a need to prioritise.
By the way Jim Neilly is the man responsible for bringing GAA on in the BBC. He was Head of Sport back in the day when live coverage first began two decades ago, and hats off also to people like the late Jackie Cummings, the BBC's sole GAA radio reporter back in the 1980s when their coverage was truly abysmal.
imtommygun, BBC doesn't cover as many soccer games live on tv as it does GAA games in any one year. Also for many Sundays in the year, GAA takes over the BBC radio airwaves for the entire afternoon, no other sport has its own radio programme (ie Saturday sportsound covers english and scottish soccer, motorcycling and other sports, though of course soccer predominates, but rugby takes preference here as well, when ever the Irish team is playing on Saturday afternoon).
I think it is irrefutable that GAA gets the lions share of bbc sports coverage
tony get a grip, its only a few years ago that evil edna the bbc were caught red handed dubbing crowd noise over match commentry to make it sound as if there were people at the game. be honest the only reason the our wee country crowd didnt want the maze stadium is because they'd look stupid standing in the corner of a 40,000 seater, and they took cold feet over the finanicial commitment knowing that they were going to default and the stadium would fall into the hands of the gaa the only ones who could pay for the place theyre a peewee sport not worthy of half the tv they get or the money we pay them out of our tv licence
Tony if you accumulate all of the live GAA matches on TV, the radio broadcasts and the highlights and you do have a reasonable amount of coverage.
I wouldn't agree it gets more than soccer though. You have a lot more soccer competitions - you have international qualifying (for european or world cup) and friendlies, you have Irish league matches every weekend, you have the various cups associated with the Irish league and you have things like the milk cup. (which would also have several games). Based on that I think soccer probably has more coverage. NI games would also be on the radio would they not?
I would agree with most of what you say on all but that point. I do think soccer has more "national" competitions which gets it more coverage but I do think it has more coverage.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 28, 2010, 11:14:55 PM
Tony if you accumulate all of the live GAA matches on TV, the radio broadcasts and the highlights and you do have a reasonable amount of coverage.
I wouldn't agree it gets more than soccer though. You have a lot more soccer competitions - you have international qualifying (for european or world cup) and friendlies, you have Irish league matches every weekend, you have the various cups associated with the Irish league and you have things like the milk cup. (which would also have several games). Based on that I think soccer probably has more coverage. NI games would also be on the radio would they not?
I would agree with most of what you say on all but that point. I do think soccer has more "national" competitions which gets it more coverage but I do think it has more coverage.
The BBC do not give live TV coverage to all NI soccer matches for qualifying tournaments, nevermind friendlies. And you don't have soccer every weekend - it has its closed season / quiet periods the same as GAA.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 28, 2010, 08:31:55 PM
sorry maguire - your two posts and point would be valid or relevant if I was looking for like-for-like or full games to be shown on telly.
I'm not.
I am simply looking for a few highlights from a couple of games per week during the 5 or 6 months per season showing club championship games from throughout Ulster or the north of Ireland counties.
minoroty 'sports' are shown (except Hurling), soccer is shown - so the other majority sport should surely get some airtime during club championship season.
getting results from teletext or sources like GaaBoard is not adequate. Thats real head in the sand stuff from the bbc.
Why should it fall on the BBC to cover all levels of our sport? And if it does it for the GAA, why not go down to 'grassroots' level in soccer and every other sport?
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 28, 2010, 08:31:55 PM
tony- the tribunal didnt have to pove much- only that it showed GAA. not difficult to squirm out of Jeromes correct accusations !
Did you not read the judgement? Or do you just not believe it?
The only way that Tony's contention can be proved or disproved is for the BBC to provide figures in relation to, for example:
- the money spent televising each sport.
- the time spent televising each sport.
- the criteria used to decide the above.
So far, despite a Freedom of Information request from Donagh, the BBC has been unwilling to do so. Why?
In the absence of such figures, perhaps Tony can provide his own.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 28, 2010, 03:26:59 PM
PS Snippets from Antrim County NHL Games are shown regularly on both BBC and UTV, and what you see normally are games played against the backdop of empty terraces.
Yes the terraces will be empty in a 30K stadium during winter but the stand will have more people in it than watch Linfield any given saturday.
This argument is going round in circles. The fact is , imho, that the three major sports in the six counties, GAA, soccer and Rugby Union are well and fairly catered for by the BBC, and coverage of all three is prioritised at the highest level of each sport, so GAA club games do not feature prominently but then neither do Rugby club games or Junior soccer games.
An ex employee of the BBC took his argument to an Industrial Tribunal that GAA was discriminated against, the tribunal after weeks of listening to an considering the evidence, found not one shred of evidence to support his contention and in fact ruled him to be an unreliable witness. End of story.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2010, 09:16:10 AM
This argument is going round in circles. The fact is , imho, that the three major sports in the six counties, GAA, soccer and Rugby Union are well and fairly catered for by the BBC, and coverage of all three is prioritised at the highest level of each sport, so GAA club games do not feature prominently but then neither do Rugby club games or Junior soccer games.
Could you provide figures to back up your opinion, particularly in relation to the three points I outlined above?
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2010, 09:16:10 AM
An ex employee of the BBC took his argument to an Industrial Tribunal that GAA was discriminated against, the tribunal after weeks of listening to an considering the evidence, found not one shred of evidence to support his contention and in fact ruled him to be an unreliable witness. End of story.
No he didn't. His argument was that he was discriminated against.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 28, 2010, 09:41:57 PM
imtommygun, BBC doesn't cover as many soccer games live on tv as it does GAA games in any one year. Also for many Sundays in the year, GAA takes over the BBC radio airwaves for the entire afternoon, no other sport has its own radio programme (ie Saturday sportsound covers english and scottish soccer, motorcycling and other sports, though of course soccer predominates, but rugby takes preference here as well, when ever the Irish team is playing on Saturday afternoon).
I think it is irrefutable that GAA gets the lions share of bbc sports coverage
I think the argument that Gaelic football gets considerable live coverage is fair.I don't think that this serves the GAA fraternity well however.The vast majority of people with genuine interest in the live game,will actually be there in person.There's an argument also that the increasing live coverage of games has affected the attendance and atmosphere at these games.The BBC live coverage tends to be mid afternoon for a few weeks over the summer months-from a GAA point of view this does not provide optimal promotion of our games.Personally,I would like to see a highlights programme throughout the year to include-McKenna cup,NFL,NHL and club championships.I would also like to hear more prominent GAA snippets on the TV/Radio sports bulletins.I think however that people should remember that it is not the BBC's job to promote GAA-rather it's the job of the PR department of the GAA,nationally,provincially and locally.
Local News bulletins are mainly dominated by English soccer-as if we don't get enough of that from UK BBC,ITV and RTE.This is simply because sports editors can access a plethora of information provided by Premiership clubs.
The weekly saturday highlights of Irish League,the coverage of IFA cup,league cup,Co Antrim shield throughout the year ensures local soccer is given reasonable coverage,and therefore promotion throughout the year.The local soccer fraternity also seem to do a good job promoting their games,by providing regular snippets for news programmes-perhaps this is an area the GAA could work on.Soccer clubs find it easier to secure lucrative sponsorship deals from businesses knowing that their billboard will be spotted on BBC, behind the goals at Seaview every 2nd Saturday.
I have no issue with other sports including Rugby,motorcycling,hockey,horse racing etc getting their fair share of coverage,but I do think improved GAA prominince on sports news bulletins,and a weekly highlights programme,would meet our needs better.
Then contact the BBC's Audience Council. Surely also the BBC's coverage of Gaelic Games is dependent also upon contractual agreements with the Ulster Council.
Incidentally I agree that Jerome's contention that he was discriminated against, but he cited GAA coverage or alleged lack thereof by the BBC as "evidence".After week's of examining the evidence,the Tribunal (and Industrial Tribunals are not slow in my experience of finding in favour of complainants if they get a chance to do so at all, thus justifying their own existence) rejected his claims out of hand and described him as an unreliable witness.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2010, 09:53:38 AM
Then contact the BBC's Audience Council. Surely also the BBC's coverage of Gaelic Games is dependent also upon contractual agreements with the Ulster Council.
Incidentally I agree that Jerome's contention that he was discriminated against, but he cited GAA coverage or alleged lack thereof by the BBC as "evidence".After week's of examining the evidence,the Tribunal (and Industrial Tribunals are not slow in my experience of finding in favour of complainants if they get a chance to do so at all, thus justifying their own existence) rejected his claims out of hand and described him as an unreliable witness.
Not for the first time I am confused with your logic.
You say that you believe JQ was discriminated against, despite after weeks (no apostrophe) of examining the evidence (and Industrial Tribunals are not slow in your experience of finding in favour of complainants if they get a chance to do so at all, thus justifying their own existence), the Tribunal rejected his claims out of hand and described him as an unreliable witness.
You also say that you believe GAA coverage is fair, despite not being able to provide anything more concrete than an opinion and despite the fact that this issue was beyond the remit of the Tribunal.
SS2, sorry, that should have read "I agree that Jerome's contention was that he was discriminated against", I certainly don't agree that he was discriminated against. I also believe that the BBC and its legal representatives detailed its GAA coverage at length, in its defence at the Tribunal, and this had an obvious impact on the ultimate verdict. The only real winners as usual were the legal eagles laughing al the way to the bank. Jerome got diddly squat and the BBC's reputation is tarnished due to the fact that many (as this thread indicates) believe it was guilty of the allegations, regardless of the verdict
I have cited ad nasueam numerous examples to support my contention that gaa is fairly treated by the BBC, eg the number of live broadcasts on tv, the dedicated radio coverage on the majority of Sunday afternoons etc.
Its obvious that some here wouldn't be satisfied even if the BBC was broadcasting under 10 years of age league games live every week
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2010, 11:38:53 AM
SS2, sorry, that should have read "I agree that Jerome's contention was that he was discriminated against", I certainly don't agree that he was discriminated against. I also believe that the BBC and its legal representatives detailed its GAA coverage at length, in its defence at the Tribunal, and this had an obvious impact on the ultimate verdict. The only real winners as usual were the legal eagles laughing al the way to the bank. Jerome got diddly squat and the BBC's reputation is tarnished due to the fact that many (as this thread indicates) believe it was guilty of the allegations, regardless of the verdict
I have cited ad nasueam numerous examples to support my contention that gaa is fairly treated by the BBC, eg the number of live broadcasts on tv, the dedicated radio coverage on the majority of Sunday afternoons etc.
Its obvious that some here wouldn't be satisfied even if the BBC was broadcasting under 10 years of age league games live every week
nope- a bit of common sense to broadcast a few highlights of championship Football and Hurling games to bring the coverage up to scratch and nearer parity would be welcome.
You have no evidence as SS2 says. Only opinion.
maguire - common sense - I have said top level championship games and a selection of those each week.
ITG - as above, while I dont disagree with what you say, I just think that there could be more shown. Common sense and a bit more equality. I'd like to see highlights of a couple of Co Down or Armagh or Tryone or Donegal club championship games. I'd expect plenty of Gaelic games fans would! I dont watch only Liverpool, Philadelphia Eagles, San Antonio spurs, Philadelphia flyers, Celtic, Juventus, London Irish games only- I watch any games theyshow from those leagues and championships !
LB, it is you and SS2 who have no evidence, in contrast to my own repeated offering of the facts of numerous games broadcast live on tv, GAA taking over the airwaves on most Sunday afternoons and Saturday evenings frequently as well.
The BBC are not Sky Sports and have neither the manpower or resources to send camera crews to 6 or 7 club games each week, when senior soccer up here for example (regardless of its standard) gets a five minute montage each Saturday afternoon, and if it did allocate resources ludicrously in this way, it would mean there'd be less Championship coverage in the summer, as it would inevitably be a question of rejigging the existing budget
The vast majority of contributors are in agreement on this point by the way
No further forward here Tony. No-one on here knows if the BBC spends a proportionate amount of time and money on covering Gaelic games, including you.
You can point to live championships (as the BBC did at the Tribunal), this doesn't paint a full picture.
Now can you give me BBC figures (figures that they refuse to release even under FOI Act) for
- the money spent televising each sport,
- the time spent televising each sport,
- the criteria used to decide the above.
Once we get these figures, it should prove or disprove your contention. Your opinion can't be passed off as fact.
By the way I haven't given a contention either way.
Has Connolly been in contact?
You know I'm not privy to that information and have no way of accessing it.
I know, but until that information is made available we can only make assumptions.
There is no doubt that things are better, but I don't think that we should just be prepared to blindly settle for that. It may be that the current status is as god as it gets; it may even be that the GAA is getting more than a fair share.
Has Connolly been in contact?
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2010, 02:00:56 PM
LB, it is you and SS2 who have no evidence, in contrast to my own repeated offering of the facts of numerous games broadcast live on tv, GAA taking over the airwaves on most Sunday afternoons and Saturday evenings frequently as well.
The BBC are not Sky Sports and have neither the manpower or resources to send camera crews to 6 or 7 club games each week, when senior soccer up here for example (regardless of its standard) gets a five minute montage each Saturday afternoon, and if it did allocate resources ludicrously in this way, it would mean there'd be less Championship coverage in the summer, as it would inevitably be a question of rejigging the existing budget
The vast majority of contributors are in agreement on this point by the way
I dont know if that is true.
you say BBC dont have the resources to go to a few club games - but they can go to soccer games
also that the vast majority of people have the same view as you - great, if thats what you want !
I dont see any actual stats and facts/figures that you have produced..
maybe I am blind as well as everything else
I've sent the BBC an email.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 29, 2010, 08:42:51 AM
The only way that Tony's contention can be proved or disproved is for the BBC to provide figures in relation to, for example:
- the money spent televising each sport.
- the time spent televising each sport.
- the criteria used to decide the above.
So far, despite a Freedom of Information request from Donagh, the BBC has been unwilling to do so. Why?
Maybe they did provide them to Donagh, but not to Ulick(?)
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 29, 2010, 02:20:49 PM
No further forward here Tony. No-one on here knows if the BBC spends a proportionate amount of time and money on covering Gaelic games, including you.
You can point to live championships (as the BBC did at the Tribunal), this doesn't paint a full picture.
Now can you give me BBC figures (figures that they refuse to release even under FOI Act) for
- the money spent televising each sport,
- the time spent televising each sport,
- the criteria used to decide the above.
Once we get these figures, it should prove or disprove your contention. Your opinion can't be passed off as fact.
By the way I haven't given a contention either way.
Has Connolly been in contact?
But surely if you're not satisfied with the coverage the onus is on you to demonstrate the disparity?
Anyway, essentially we know what coverage the GAA gets from the BBC. The argument is whether they should be showing more, such as club games. That's purely subjective - i'm not sure what value these stats will add.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 29, 2010, 02:45:25 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2010, 02:00:56 PM
LB, it is you and SS2 who have no evidence, in contrast to my own repeated offering of the facts of numerous games broadcast live on tv, GAA taking over the airwaves on most Sunday afternoons and Saturday evenings frequently as well.
The BBC are not Sky Sports and have neither the manpower or resources to send camera crews to 6 or 7 club games each week, when senior soccer up here for example (regardless of its standard) gets a five minute montage each Saturday afternoon, and if it did allocate resources ludicrously in this way, it would mean there'd be less Championship coverage in the summer, as it would inevitably be a question of rejigging the existing budget
The vast majority of contributors are in agreement on this point by the way
I dont know if that is true.
you say BBC dont have the resources to go to a few club games - but they can go to soccer games
also that the vast majority of people have the same view as you - great, if thats what you want !
I dont see any actual stats and facts/figures that you have produced..
maybe I am blind as well as everything else
So unless the BBC don't manage to spend their sports budget (which is an unlikely scenario), you're actually saying that the GAA coverage should be extended to club level at the expense of soccer coverage?
Also, has anyone been able to confirm whether the soccer clips on the news are actually recorded by BBC or just provided to them? I honestly can't see BBC sending out their outside broadcast setup for the sake of 20-30 seconds of coverage on Newsline. There's a lack of facts on all sides of this argument.
Stats are largely irrelevant. For example if the North of Ireland qualified for the finals of a major tournament then soccer coerage woukld increase, ditto if lots of Ulster teams reached the quarter and semi finals of the All Ireland etc. My contention is that in terms of coverage of the major competitions in all three codes, GAA,Soccer and Rugby Union fans are fairly catered for by the BBC. BBC gives about five minutes to local soccer on average at 5pm on tv each Saturday, the major club championship games get an airing usually on the Monday night news.
With a finite budget and airtime availability I cannot see that the BBC can do much moire than concentrate on the major competitions in all three codes, which any fair minded person would concede it does.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 29, 2010, 12:36:18 PM
ITG - as above, while I dont disagree with what you say, I just think that there could be more shown. Common sense and a bit more equality. I'd like to see highlights of a couple of Co Down or Armagh or Tryone or Donegal club championship games. I'd expect plenty of Gaelic games fans would! I dont watch only Liverpool, Philadelphia Eagles, San Antonio spurs, Philadelphia flyers, Celtic, Juventus, London Irish games only- I watch any games theyshow from those leagues and championships !
LB don't get me wrong - I would watch,almost, any GAA game that was on quite happily. I however feel I would be in the minority in doing that.It would also quickly lose it's appeal if all the crap of the day was on all the time. I really don't think it's realisitic having club championship games on. I would stand by my local argument. Local soccer is in my view district leagues at a lower level. It never sees the light of day on tv and that in my view is like for like.
I would also concur that the stats are irrelevant. SS2 / LB if you got stats and these stats said that the BBC spent as much, or more, on the GAA as they did on Irish league soccer would you concede your argument(s)? I very much doubt you would.
Subjectively I would love to see a lot more GAA games on the BBC. However if I think about it objectively I believe we are now seeing a fair amount of GAA coverage.
We should never settle but viewing figures will dictate that we won't have to. I struggle listening to Martin McHugh so don't always boost those viewing figures.
(P.S. If you get me stats and these stats tell me that Irish league soccer gets twice as much of a budget as the GAA then I will concede I am wrong however I believe that is an unlikely scenario. I also believe you are unlikely to get financial figures (or actual time figures) from the BBC. This does not make Tony's points null and void. )
Tommy
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 29, 2010, 09:01:12 PM
I would also concur that the stats are irrelevant. SS2 / LB if you got stats and these stats said that the BBC spent as much, or more, on the GAA as they did on Irish league soccer would you concede your argument(s)? I very much doubt you would.
Stats are relevant, but I accept they can be manipulated / massaged to prove a particular point. For example one of stats highlighted during the JQ tribunal was the number of live football and soccer matches shown by BBC NI. What wasn't highlighted then was had the BBC been able to afford the rights to NI soccer matches or had they to pay for the rights to Ulster championship matches, the figures would have been totally different.
With regards to Irish League soccer, you're asking the wrong boy that question. I am probably unique on this board in thinking that IL soccer doesn't get enough coverage as it is. I would prefer that the five minute soccer slot on a Saturday evening was extended to a half hour highlights show. If it is the case that Gaelic games are being shown disproportionately to any other sport, then of course that should be rectified.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 29, 2010, 09:01:12 PM
We should never settle but viewing figures will dictate that we won't have to. I struggle listening to Martin McHugh so don't always boost those viewing figures.
If it were viewing figures alone, live championship matches would not be shown on BBC. Given the poor viewing figures, surely BBC should ask why this is the case (step forward Jarlath Burns) and either decide to improve their coverage or spend the money on some other coverage.
Now can I ask you two questions:
1. In Monday's BBC Newsline's sports section, the Ryder Cup will obviously be the lead story. What should be next in your opinion?
2. What has changed at the BBC since Paddy Heaney wrote this article?
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=5435.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=5435.0)
I would suggest that as a local station the BBC should leave the intercounty championship to RTE who do it much better. Most GAA people will actually be following their clubs and counties during the summer. However given the choice between watching Ulster Club/McKenna Cup matches on a Sunday in winter or watching Man Utd.... Well no contest. Just my thoughts.
Surely it makes sense for the BBC to cover the top echelons of each of the three sports? Don't forget also that not everyone in the six counties has access to RTE so there is no sense in leaving the championship coverage to RTE.
By the way since Paddy Heaney wrote that article, the BBC now covers every match in the Ulster Championhip live on tv. That's one crucial difference.
I'm happy with the BBC's current coverage of GAA as are many others on this thread. Could I suggest that those who aren't should contact the Audience Council (details on BBC website) or write to Points of View even ;D
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 29, 2010, 09:01:12 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 29, 2010, 12:36:18 PM
ITG - as above, while I dont disagree with what you say, I just think that there could be more shown. Common sense and a bit more equality. I'd like to see highlights of a couple of Co Down or Armagh or Tryone or Donegal club championship games. I'd expect plenty of Gaelic games fans would! I dont watch only Liverpool, Philadelphia Eagles, San Antonio spurs, Philadelphia flyers, Celtic, Juventus, London Irish games only- I watch any games theyshow from those leagues and championships !
LB don't get me wrong - I would watch,almost, any GAA game that was on quite happily. I however feel I would be in the minority in doing that.It would also quickly lose it's appeal if all the crap of the day was on all the time. I really don't think it's realisitic having club championship games on. I would stand by my local argument. Local soccer is in my view district leagues at a lower level. It never sees the light of day on tv and that in my view is like for like.
I would also concur that the stats are irrelevant. SS2 / LB if you got stats and these stats said that the BBC spent as much, or more, on the GAA as they did on Irish league soccer would you concede your argument(s)? I very much doubt you would.
Subjectively I would love to see a lot more GAA games on the BBC. However if I think about it objectively I believe we are now seeing a fair amount of GAA coverage.
We should never settle but viewing figures will dictate that we won't have to. I struggle listening to Martin McHugh so don't always boost those viewing figures.
(P.S. If you get me stats and these stats tell me that Irish league soccer gets twice as much of a budget as the GAA then I will concede I am wrong however I believe that is an unlikely scenario. I also believe you are unlikely to get financial figures (or actual time figures) from the BBC. This does not make Tony's points null and void. )
fair enough !
I'd have the BBC drop their pathetic championship coverage and use the time and money to show a selection of local Football and Hurling.
I'd expect not many would agree with this.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 30, 2010, 12:27:38 PM
I'd have the BBC drop their pathetic championship coverage and use the time and money to show a selection of local Football and Hurling.
I'd expect not many would agree with this.
I'd agree with you on this one.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 30, 2010, 08:56:25 AM
Tommy
Now can I ask you two questions:
1. In Monday's BBC Newsline's sports section, the Ryder Cup will obviously be the lead story. What should be next in your opinion?
2. What has changed at the BBC since Paddy Heaney wrote this article?
1. The Irish league matches because there's nothing of great interest on in the GAA world , to me anyway, this Sunday.
2. See Tony's answer.
I would actually agree with you about the IL highlights show. I think that it should be as per MOTD in England. News gets results and maybe a goal or two from top games - not half(or all of) the matches. I wouldn't watch it either but that's neither here nor there.
I can't watch the c'ship on the BBC because of Martin McHugh. I think Burns is ok. People like Oisin McConville shouldn't be on it either. While I hold nothing against him personally a media personality he is not. The presenters on the show definitely leave a lot to be desired but then for the soccer you have Jackie Fullerton and various other not so endearing people.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 30, 2010, 12:21:00 PM
Surely it makes sense for the BBC to cover the top echelons of each of the three sports? Don't forget also that not everyone in the six counties has access to RTE so there is no sense in leaving the championship coverage to RTE.
By the way since Paddy Heaney wrote that article, the BBC now covers every match in the Ulster Championhip live on tv. That's one crucial difference.
I'm happy with the BBC's current coverage of GAA as are many others on this thread. Could I suggest that those who aren't should contact the Audience Council (details on BBC website) or write to Points of View even ;D
Not true anyone who wants to can access RTE.
Ask people in certain areas of Belfast and North Antrim etc if they can access RTE
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 30, 2010, 12:57:44 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 30, 2010, 12:21:00 PM
Surely it makes sense for the BBC to cover the top echelons of each of the three sports? Don't forget also that not everyone in the six counties has access to RTE so there is no sense in leaving the championship coverage to RTE.
By the way since Paddy Heaney wrote that article, the BBC now covers every match in the Ulster Championhip live on tv. That's one crucial difference.
I'm happy with the BBC's current coverage of GAA as are many others on this thread. Could I suggest that those who aren't should contact the Audience Council (details on BBC website) or write to Points of View even ;D
Not true anyone who wants to can access RTE.
Via Sky satellite I presume he's suggesting.
Not everyone has satellite either. I think certain people simply cannot concede on this issue. Sky charge for and screen the top competitions (eg the Premiership and La Liga etc) because thats what punters are interested in. Now anyone seriously claiming that the BBC should switch from the main inter county championships to club championships etc wants their bumps feeling. Its hard enough to get the fair weather fans to take an interest in the County teams. You are never going to get a substantial viewer following for club football.
Too many people on this thread remaind me of my ma, who thinks because she's interested in something then the whole world must be also, or her way of doing things is they way everyone should do things
istn that the point though - you dont get 'substantial' viewing for ANY of those 'sports' !!
even the soccer - i'd watch the highlights if it was on - 2 mins per game is more than enough of the soccer league in the north of Ireland - but its better than the crap league in the south !
I'm talking comparatively here. I'd watch the highlights (all 5 minutes of them) of the Irish League games on a Saturday usually, though admittedly I wouldn't go out of my way to see them, but I'd switch off it was Cromac Albvion Versus Cookstown Utd. Similarly with GAA, i'd be more interested in watching Fermanagh V Cavan than St Galls V Rossa, even though potentially the latter is the better match.
In any event it looks like this debate has moved on from adequate versus inadequate BBC GAA coverage to whether or not the BBC should cover the Inter County or Club Championships. That's good.
Also don't like to see the abuse here meted out to the BBC's GAA Commentators or pundits. I don't see anything wrong with them, even if Mark Sidebottom tries the impossible, ie being more witty than Miceal O'M. Also Owen Mc Connon on BBC Radio is an excellent commentator.
my view is still the same - not enough local club football shown by bbc (the the same but as they dont have the same kinds of local sport programmes as the bbc do they cant be held as accountable or accused in this regard).
SS2 after ryder cup I would actually have commonwealth games now I think about it...
International stage then national stage.
Coverage of club GAA coming up on BBC Newsline. I hope you're watching Lynchbhoy!
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 05, 2010, 06:22:45 PM
Coverage of club GAA coming up on BBC Newsline. I hope you're watching Lynchbhoy!
sorry missed it. Got my fix from TG4 !
While I am obv delighted for coverage of club games, this is not enough. prior rounds of championship games should also be shown.
I know it will never happen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kN15IZGeMg
Quote from: fer fox ache on October 08, 2010, 12:56:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kN15IZGeMg
Brilliant. :D :D :D :D
Aye, they pretty much nailed it didn't they
i didnt want to mention this til after the first test cause unless theres a fight blah blah and this will probably start the evil bbc's coverage, but i suggest that they'll concentrate on the negative stuff anyway.SO here goes... I dont watch any bbc tv but i do listen to radio six county artificle statelet "funny" but they have yet to mention that the compromise rules are even taking place! forget that big antony is the manager, forget that this is a full international, forget that this is not 'europe' v america. there are 'ulster' players representing their country! they call themselves "radio ULSTER" I must be missing something! oh thats right its the bbc. this stuff is all through the papers thats where they lift most of their stuff. I rang them twice to ask why not... but lets hear about the BNP outside the oval looking for signitures- (ffs they didnt think they'd get many there probably only 20 at the game) public broadcaster my arse! why am i paying these shower?
People in Armagh pay their TV license? Changed times.
Quote from: lawnseed on October 12, 2010, 10:37:58 PM
i didnt want to mention this til after the first test cause unless theres a fight blah blah and this will probably start the evil bbc's coverage, but i suggest that they'll concentrate on the negative stuff anyway.SO here goes... I dont watch any bbc tv but i do listen to radio six county artificle statelet "funny" but they have yet to mention that the compromise rules are even taking place! forget that big antony is the manager, forget that this is a full international, forget that this is not 'europe' v america. there are 'ulster' players representing their country! they call themselves "radio ULSTER" I must be missing something! oh thats right its the bbc. this stuff is all through the papers thats where they lift most of their stuff. I rang them twice to ask why not... but lets hear about the BNP outside the oval looking for signitures- (ffs they didnt think they'd get many there probably only 20 at the game) public broadcaster my arse! why am i paying these shower?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9084293.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9093621.stm
Quote from: All of a Sludden on October 15, 2010, 09:02:28 PM
People in Armagh pay their TV license? Changed times.
I cant really see people in South Armagh in paying 'their' tv license fee! Sure none of them watch the BBC!?
here we go maguire "its on our website" the usual bbc excuse for proper media exposure. but i have to say that following several texts to 81771 and a couple of phone calls benny coulters availibility or not DID get a mention on 'morning ulster' sports bulletin this morning. but only one mention today. lip service at best. compare this to the live interview and wall to wall coverage of the ryder cup. infact this needs its own thread >:(
Quite simply, if you type 'bbc and the gaa' into google this is the first item that comes up https://www.indymedia.ie/article/96473 (https://www.indymedia.ie/article/96473)
Quote from: southall on October 20, 2010, 10:37:45 PM
Quite simply, if you type 'bbc and the gaa' into google this is the first item that comes up https://www.indymedia.ie/article/96473 (https://www.indymedia.ie/article/96473)
Not on my google. And my computer is giving me a warning that your link isn't safe. Are you at a bit of sabotage?
Maguire, do you work for BBC? you seem to be always defending their (lack of) gaa coverage
Quote from: The Worker on October 20, 2010, 10:58:39 PM
Maguire, do you work for BBC? you seem to be always defending their (lack of) gaa coverage
If I did, i'd be a bit stupid to be posting on this Board, given the content of this thread! No, i'm not. And I don't think the BBC's GAA coverage is perfect - and i've said as much before - but it's not that bad either. Some people just seem to love a good moan.
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 20, 2010, 11:04:42 PM
Quote from: The Worker on October 20, 2010, 10:58:39 PM
Maguire, do you work for BBC? you seem to be always defending their (lack of) gaa coverage
If I did, i'd be a bit stupid to be posting on this Board, given the content of this thread! No, i'm not. And I don't think the BBC's GAA coverage is perfect - and i've said as much before - but it's not that bad either. Some people just seem to love a good moan.
ok, i belive you, thousands wouldnt :P
Quote from: The Worker on October 20, 2010, 11:07:56 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 20, 2010, 11:04:42 PM
Quote from: The Worker on October 20, 2010, 10:58:39 PM
Maguire, do you work for BBC? you seem to be always defending their (lack of) gaa coverage
If I did, i'd be a bit stupid to be posting on this Board, given the content of this thread! No, i'm not. And I don't think the BBC's GAA coverage is perfect - and i've said as much before - but it's not that bad either. Some people just seem to love a good moan.
ok, i belive you, thousands wouldnt :P
I don't care about thousands, as long as you believe me. :P
Quote from: All of a Sludden on October 15, 2010, 09:02:28 PM
People in Armagh pay their TV license? Changed times.
Never! Never! Never! Not paying the licence fee is integral to my identity.
According to the article in the Mirror today it was Thomas Kane who done the original touting against Jerome about posting on the board. He is said to have pointed Watson in the direction of it.
Don't have access to the article to post it up, but looks like he was worried about verbal or physical attacks from supporters. More thank likely he was seeing a promotion for himself!!
BBC chiefs could have punished me without sacking me. But in my opinion they just couldn't wait to pull the trigger; JEROME QUINN EXCLUSIVE BROADCASTER HITS BACK.
FOR nearly two decades he was the BBC's face and voice of gaelic games in Northern Ireland.
So when Jerome Quinn suffered the humiliation of being escorted by security staff from Broadcasting House on February 6 last year it was the end of a career that had made him a household name.
It was also the signal for Quinn to put in motion a campaign to clear his name of what he believes was a calculated initiative by the BBC to dispense with his GAA related profile.
Now for the first time he has decided to speak out exclusively to the Daily Mirror.
He admits he acted inappropriately in sending out anonymous website posts criticising the broadcasting priorities of the BBC in relation to coverage of gaelic games.
But he added: "Those postings were never as bad as the way in which the BBC portrayed them. They were never malicious."
It was the tracing of those postings back to his work computer that eventually led to the collapse of his BBC career.
But while Quinn accepts he was naive in using a public forum to spell out his frustration with the BBC, he argues the punishment he suffered was unjustified.
He said: "They could have sanctioned me in a number of ways without sacking me. But in my opinion the BBC couldn't wait to pull the trigger.
"I don't regret challenging the BBC by asking awkward questions.
Those questions were posed in a polite and professional fashion.
"They were based on sound journalistic principles.
In my opinion they reflected the widely held view across the GAA in Ulster that when it comes to being treated fairly the sport continues to be the poor relation.
"There was a mindset in parts of the BBC that was unable to grasp the importance of the GAA.
"Of course I could have accepted the regime. The internal editorial analysis that consistently placed Irish League soccer and Ulster Rugby on a ratings graph way ahead of Gaelic games was one I felt was unfair.
"I could have worked in that environment for another 20 years in a comfort zone. It would have been easy to pocket all the benefits and continue enjoying the associated profile.
"However, I would have felt that my career had meant nothing. I would have sold my soul to suit an image of total conformity."
The Tyrone man says that while he does not regret challenging the impartiality of the BBC's sport coverage the reality of the impact on his life is another matter.
He added: "There has been a huge price.
I now accept that I had started the process of writing my own dismissal letter by questioning the motives of the BBC hierarchy.
"Ever since I was frogmarched out of Broadcasting House there has been a cloud of suspicion surrounding me.
"Friends and former colleagues both within the BBC and in the world of sports journalism have been left unsure what to believe.
"Those doubts were fuelled by the slick presentational skills of the BBC's legal team when I took the corporation to an industrial tribunal. I want those individuals that are still unsure about the motives of Jerome Quinn to know what drove me to put my professional, and ultimately my personal, life on the line.
"That is why I have decided to speak out."
He says he is determined to rebuild his career by focusing on developing the GAA at grassroots through social media outlets.
But he admits his battle with the BBC and the ordeal of taking on a major global organisation through a highly publicised industrial tribunal had a crippling emotional and professional effect.
He added: "I honestly regret going down the Tribunal route. The toll it took on me was enormous. I am only now getting my life back on an even keel.
"I am in a much better place now in terms of understanding what matters in a personal and professional sense.
"But it continues to be a process of one day at a time.
"My battle with the BBC was an allconsuming crusade to get at what I sincerely believed to be the truth behind my sacking.
"I still believe that my dismissal after the discovery of what the BBC deemed to be inappropriate posts was more about sending a corporate message rather than disciplining one individual.
"But I also learned a very hard lesson.
"A single person can't take on an organisation with the vast financial resources of the BBC simply in order to make a moral statement.
"To be honest I did not put forward my evidence as well as I could have.
"I was one man against an organisation that was determined to win.
"But I felt that what had happened to me was wrong. It masked a much wider wrong against the GAA.
"I wanted the BBC to answer in a public way for their treatment of me as a professional and as a supporter of the GAA."
The three-week hearing eventually found in favour of the BBC in rejecting Quinn's claims that he had been unfairly dismissed.
Quinn admitted to the Tribunal that he had sent out anonymous postings questioning the BBC's commitment to Gaelic games.
But he continues to deny he had an agenda to deliberately damage the BBC.
"In the end I lost the legal battle. In the court of GAA public opinion however the BBC failed, and still fails to make the case that it treats Gaelic games on its merits.
"It's the biggest sports organisation in Ulster. It has the largest number of clubs and teams. It draws the biggest aggregate crowds.
"At many club championship matches across the province there will be more spectators than at the Irish Cup final.
"That is the reality of sport in Northern Ireland.
"If the price I have had to pay as an individual ultimately forces the BBC to review its GAA coverage policy then something worthwhile will have been achieved.
"But until the corporation recognises that it has a commitment to the entire community of Northern Ireland its editorial motivation will continue to be questioned by thousands of GAA supporters."
'Big matches neglected'
THE night of November 5, 2008, was when Jerome Quinn's professional career as a BBC broadcaster started to turn to ashes.
The day before, three Ulster Championship quarter-final ties received no televised highlight coverage.
Instead the decision taken was to cover an international surfing event at Portrush.
Mr Quinn said: "I was annoyed by what I felt was an appalling decision, one that was seen by the GAA community as a snub.
"It was that decision that led to me joining the online debate.
"The comments were a threat to no one and they certainly were not dangerous.
"They were no different from the posts I had been making as a GAA fan for years to other GAA supporters."
But it was the sighting of those GAA website posts by two fellow BBC journalists that put in motion a train of events that would eventually lead to his sacking.
Stephen Watson and Thomas Kane both raised personal concerns over their critical tone over the BBC's GAA coverage.
Kane felt anonymous comments by Quinn would place him and other BBC journalists under the threat of verbal and even possibly physical assault while working within a GAA environment.
Quinn revealed it was Kane who alerted Watson by directing him to the website posts.
GAA chiefs hit at Beeb
LETTERS of complaint to the BBC over its Gaelic Games coverage were sent to the corporation by GAA leaders.
And Jerome Quinn is convinced if they had been available they could have had a significant bearing on the eventual finding.
He said: "During the Tribunal the line put forward by the BBC was that they had a good relationship with the Ulster Council.
"I specifically asked the BBC to provide correspondence between themselves and the Ulster GAA. However, they said that there was nothing relevant.
"But a couple of weeks after the Tribunal finished I was told by the Ulster Secretary Danny Murphy a number of letters criticising the BBC's coverage had been sent.
"In a letter to Shane Glynn the Ulster Council registered its "annoyance at the treatment of our games by the BBC in terms of television and radio coverage," adding that the "situation was intolerable".
"That letter was sent in January 2009. Danny Murphy assured me there was more of the same type of correspondence stretching over a prolonged period.
"The frustration of the Ulster Council was underlined in Mr Murphy's Annual Report in 2009.
"To say the least it was disappointing the letters of complaint from the GAA were not available to me before the Tribunal."
Ach 'Any craic', sure noone gives a f**k about that bollocks any more :P
Fair enough Thomas
Thats 'Mr Supergrass' to you :D
jez if kane thought he was in danger of a slap before he better think twice now. judas
I have to say, I am really dissapointed in the BBC's Thomas Kane is all of this sorry episode. Jerome Quinn has proved himself to be a genuine man of principle who is willing to stand up for what he believes in. Kane is just spineless and is probably more interested in his own career development than any bigger picture that may arise. A small man with a narrow selfish agenda.
Keith Duggan in the Irish Times on the matter.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0108/1224287044296.html
Nothing new there really.
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 08, 2011, 11:45:31 AM
Nothing new there really.
i found it a interesting story,but then i dont know that much.
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 08, 2011, 11:45:31 AM
Nothing new there really.
I found it to be a good piece too. Not only Jerome's part, but Logie's too, as his departure was a lot more low-key.
Quote from: Take Your Points on January 08, 2011, 03:13:30 PM
An important fact missed in that article is that the O'Neill story was broken by none other than our own Ziggy!
It wasnt, a female poster, whose handle escapes me, broke it before Ziggy.
Produce this female poster, Minder and her post and the timing, or apologise to scoopmeister Ziggy!
It was ME! Thank you for rallying around me guys.
Minder, clear off! :p
Just read the Irish Times article and as Maguire says above, nothing new. Big headline but no real substance. As for Logie, sure he still really hasn't said much about it. It's all a bit vague. It say's he's busy now, but it doesn't even go into detail as to what he is doing.
A nothing article really. I'm just surprised RTE haven't snapped up Jerome Quinn. I always liked his genuine passion for the game, and the game always seemed to come first instead of the ego led RTE boys, Brolly, Spillane and co.
Anyone know what Adrian Logan is at now?
Quote from: ck on January 08, 2011, 10:52:05 PM
Just read the Irish Times article and as Maguire says above, nothing new. Big headline but no real substance. As for Logie, sure he still really hasn't said much about it. It's all a bit vague. It say's he's busy now, but it doesn't even go into detail as to what he is doing.
A nothing article really. I'm just surprised RTE haven't snapped up Jerome Quinn. I always liked his genuine passion for the game, and the game always seemed to come first instead of the ego led RTE boys, Brolly, Spillane and co.
I would disagree and say Quinn had as big an ego as any of them, Brolly and Spillane had reason to have an ego. If Tyrone were gettting any sort of criticism by Burns et al Quinn would shout them down like a petulant schoolboy.
Quote from: Minder on January 09, 2011, 12:40:44 AM
Quote from: ck on January 08, 2011, 10:52:05 PM
Just read the Irish Times article and as Maguire says above, nothing new. Big headline but no real substance. As for Logie, sure he still really hasn't said much about it. It's all a bit vague. It say's he's busy now, but it doesn't even go into detail as to what he is doing.
A nothing article really. I'm just surprised RTE haven't snapped up Jerome Quinn. I always liked his genuine passion for the game, and the game always seemed to come first instead of the ego led RTE boys, Brolly, Spillane and co.
I would disagree and say Quinn had as big an ego as any of them, Brolly and Spillane had reason to have an ego. If Tyrone were gettting any sort of criticism by Burns et al Quinn would shout them down like a petulant schoolboy.
You could be right but I just don't remember seeing it that way. To me he always came across as a real GAA supporter. And the fact that he shouted down lads for criticising Tyrone is not an ego IMO it's genuine passion. An ego is Spillane and Brolly trying to out wit each other and see who can be the most controversial. Their rants are about them rather than the match, Quinns views were always about the football first.
Quote from: JohnDenver on December 15, 2010, 02:14:48 PM
According to the article in the Mirror today it was Thomas Kane who done the original touting against Jerome about posting on the board. He is said to have pointed Watson in the direction of it.
Don't have access to the article to post it up, but looks like he was worried about verbal or physical attacks from supporters. More thank likely he was seeing a promotion for himself!!
Kane's mascara will be running after he gets a touch next time he's up at Casement! Rat!
Quote from: hardstation on January 09, 2011, 01:11:47 AM
Kane won't be Able for Casement.
Scummy Bastid.
There aren't nearly enough Old Testament references on the gaaboard. Seriously though he was worried about getting grief when Bloody Mary was posting :D
Duggan's article said Quinn had been posting as "Bloody Mary" on the GAA's own message board. Where is that? I don't think gaa.ie has a message board.
Quote from: Minder on January 09, 2011, 12:40:44 AM
Quote from: ck on January 08, 2011, 10:52:05 PM
Just read the Irish Times article and as Maguire says above, nothing new. Big headline but no real substance. As for Logie, sure he still really hasn't said much about it. It's all a bit vague. It say's he's busy now, but it doesn't even go into detail as to what he is doing.
A nothing article really. I'm just surprised RTE haven't snapped up Jerome Quinn. I always liked his genuine passion for the game, and the game always seemed to come first instead of the ego led RTE boys, Brolly, Spillane and co.
I would disagree and say Quinn had as big an ego as any of them, Brolly and Spillane had reason to have an ego. If Tyrone were gettting any sort of criticism by Burns et al Quinn would shout them down like a petulant schoolboy.
Can you give an example of this ego?
I see the original article (the Tyrone jersey/Windsor) has been deleted by the BBC - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/bbc_pundits/1528720.stm (rather strange that the page/pic is still there though)
The follow-on is still available - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/sports_talk/1532651.stm
Quote from: ONeill on January 09, 2011, 11:01:39 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 09, 2011, 12:40:44 AM
Quote from: ck on January 08, 2011, 10:52:05 PM
Just read the Irish Times article and as Maguire says above, nothing new. Big headline but no real substance. As for Logie, sure he still really hasn't said much about it. It's all a bit vague. It say's he's busy now, but it doesn't even go into detail as to what he is doing.
A nothing article really. I'm just surprised RTE haven't snapped up Jerome Quinn. I always liked his genuine passion for the game, and the game always seemed to come first instead of the ego led RTE boys, Brolly, Spillane and co.
I would disagree and say Quinn had as big an ego as any of them, Brolly and Spillane had reason to have an ego. If Tyrone were gettting any sort of criticism by Burns et al Quinn would shout them down like a petulant schoolboy.
Can you give an example of this ego?
The self-styled Mr GAA brings the BBC to a tribunal, represents himself and helps fuel a mini media circus and you don't think there's any ego?
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 09, 2011, 02:41:41 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 09, 2011, 11:01:39 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 09, 2011, 12:40:44 AM
Quote from: ck on January 08, 2011, 10:52:05 PM
Just read the Irish Times article and as Maguire says above, nothing new. Big headline but no real substance. As for Logie, sure he still really hasn't said much about it. It's all a bit vague. It say's he's busy now, but it doesn't even go into detail as to what he is doing.
A nothing article really. I'm just surprised RTE haven't snapped up Jerome Quinn. I always liked his genuine passion for the game, and the game always seemed to come first instead of the ego led RTE boys, Brolly, Spillane and co.
I would disagree and say Quinn had as big an ego as any of them, Brolly and Spillane had reason to have an ego. If Tyrone were gettting any sort of criticism by Burns et al Quinn would shout them down like a petulant schoolboy.
Can you give an example of this ego?
The self-styled Mr GAA brings the BBC to a tribunal, represents himself and helps fuel a mini media circus and you don't think there's any ego?
Who said there isnt any ego? There may well be but his broadcasting was football led at all times unlike others.
All I said was that he came across to me as a genuine GAA follower, full of passion and knowledge. As far as I am concerned Quinn stood up for what he believed in and faught for more coverage for our biggest sport. That's admirable in my book. Some may call him foolish for taking on the BBC establishment but fair play to him I say. Both BBC and UTV continue to show prejudice and if Jerome has done nothing else he has highlighted that.
Interesting piece for those of us who haven't read the other thread.
That other lad Kane is some bollox - good lad to have on your team eh?
Thomas Kane the smarmy, slimey, sneaky rat. (Said through gritted teeth!) Next time I see him prancing around the sideline I promise to let him get a mouthful.
Quote from: ck on January 09, 2011, 07:41:19 PM
Thomas Kane the smarmy, slimey, sneaky rat. (Said through gritted teeth!) Next time I see him prancing around the sideline I promise to let him get a mouthful.
Keep your seedy intentions to yourself. This is a family friendly forum.
Quote from: AFS on January 09, 2011, 07:52:40 PM
Quote from: ck on January 09, 2011, 07:41:19 PM
Thomas Kane the smarmy, slimey, sneaky rat. (Said through gritted teeth!) Next time I see him prancing around the sideline I promise to let him get a mouthful.
Keep your seedy intentions to yourself. This is a family friendly forum.
You have a seey mind AFS
Quote from: ck on January 09, 2011, 12:28:56 AM
Anyone know what Adrian Logan is at now?
the last time i saw him was in the harbour bar in downings drinking pints!
the difference between loggie and quinn s loggie took his employers to court with little fuss and won and walked away with his head held high unlike quinn who created a media circus and made a fool of himself,i dont buy all this gaa martyr craic.
Quote from: isourboydownyet on January 10, 2011, 10:19:06 AM
Quote from: ck on January 09, 2011, 12:28:56 AM
Anyone know what Adrian Logan is at now?
i dont buy all this gaa martyr craic.
I know, sure its like The Passion of The Christ starring Jerome as JC.
with
Shane Glynn as Pontius Pilate
Thomas Kane as Judas Iscariot
Austin O'Callaghan as Barabbas
"Why have you forsaken me, BBC"
Quote from: whiskeysteve on January 10, 2011, 01:03:16 PM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on January 10, 2011, 10:19:06 AM
Quote from: ck on January 09, 2011, 12:28:56 AM
Anyone know what Adrian Logan is at now?
i dont buy all this gaa martyr craic.
I know, sure its like The Passion of The Christ starring Jerome as JC.
with
Shane Glynn as Pontius Pilate
Thomas Kane as Judas Iscariot
Austin O'Callaghan as Barabbas
"Why have you forsaken me, BBC"
Does that make John the Baptist, Logie?
Quote from: ziggysego on January 10, 2011, 01:12:43 PM
Quote from: whiskeysteve on January 10, 2011, 01:03:16 PM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on January 10, 2011, 10:19:06 AM
Quote from: ck on January 09, 2011, 12:28:56 AM
Anyone know what Adrian Logan is at now?
i dont buy all this gaa martyr craic.
I know, sure its like The Passion of The Christ starring Jerome as JC.
with
Shane Glynn as Pontius Pilate
Thomas Kane as Judas Iscariot
Austin O'Callaghan as Barabbas
"Why have you forsaken me, BBC"
Does that make John the Baptist, Logie?
Frank Mitchell must be God, he controls the weather after all ;)
Quote from: Bogball XV on January 10, 2011, 01:52:52 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on January 10, 2011, 01:12:43 PM
Quote from: whiskeysteve on January 10, 2011, 01:03:16 PM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on January 10, 2011, 10:19:06 AM
Quote from: ck on January 09, 2011, 12:28:56 AM
Anyone know what Adrian Logan is at now?
i dont buy all this gaa martyr craic.
I know, sure its like The Passion of The Christ starring Jerome as JC.
with
Shane Glynn as Pontius Pilate
Thomas Kane as Judas Iscariot
Austin O'Callaghan as Barabbas
"Why have you forsaken me, BBC"
Does that make John the Baptist, Logie?
Frank Mitchell must be God, he controls the weather after all ;)
he certainly thinks so but we all know theres only one god!
What happened to Logan?
Was at a talk last year where Logie was asked about his sacking from UTV. He was very dignified in his response. Got his point across without complaining about the coverage other sports were given compared to gaelic. He also gave an interesting insight into how GAA results were reported and treated by UTV. It was apparant how hurt and angered he was by the whole debacle, yet unlike Jerome, Logie didn't create a media circus around himself.
Quote from: seafoid on January 10, 2011, 02:56:43 PM
What happened to Logan?
he was talking to Paul Clarke this evening on a live phone transmission re: Michaela Harte's death. Aggod friend of Mickey
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on January 10, 2011, 06:44:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 10, 2011, 02:56:43 PM
What happened to Logan?
he was talking to Paul Clarke this evening on a live phone transmission re: Michaela Harte's death. Aggod friend of Mickey
I heard Logie in that interview this evening....spoke really well and was very dignified....he tried to sum up how Mickey was feeling....an impossible task but Adrian did his best to convey the sheer devastation the man and his family must be feeling.
Quote from: deargdoom on January 10, 2011, 06:32:40 PM
Was at a talk last year where Logie was asked about his sacking from UTV. He was very dignified in his response. Got his point across without complaining about the coverage other sports were given compared to gaelic. He also gave an interesting insight into how GAA results were reported and treated by UTV. It was apparant how hurt and angered he was by the whole debacle, yet unlike Jerome, Logie didn't create a media circus around himself.
What was the interesting insight?
There is a difference in the two cases though in that UTV is a commercial station which does not have the same public service remit as BBCNI. You pay your £145 to BBC not UTV.
Quote from: 5 Sams on January 10, 2011, 07:15:53 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on January 10, 2011, 06:44:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 10, 2011, 02:56:43 PM
What happened to Logan?
he was talking to Paul Clarke this evening on a live phone transmission re: Michaela Harte's death. Aggod friend of Mickey
I heard Logie in that interview this evening....spoke really well and was very dignified....he tried to sum up how Mickey was feeling....an impossible task but Adrian did his best to convey the sheer devastation the man and his family must be feeling.
yes, if your friends daughter had just died it would be nigh on impossible to speak on live TV, but i suppose professionalism never leaves you.
Quote from: ck on January 10, 2011, 07:35:33 PM
Quote from: deargdoom on January 10, 2011, 06:32:40 PM
Was at a talk last year where Logie was asked about his sacking from UTV. He was very dignified in his response. Got his point across without complaining about the coverage other sports were given compared to gaelic. He also gave an interesting insight into how GAA results were reported and treated by UTV. It was apparant how hurt and angered he was by the whole debacle, yet unlike Jerome, Logie didn't create a media circus around himself.
What was the interesting insight?
He mentioned that he was on the UTV website one day and there was over 50 results from matches on it - not one of them a gaelic result. He went to one of his superiors and informed him that there was at least 10 GAA matches that day and questioned why the results weren't published. The superior suggested that someone phone Croke Park to get the results, Logie lost the plot and started giving out that nobody phones Old Trafford to get the result of a United match so why on earth would they do that for gaelic results
Since UTV is a commercial station, would it not be possible for advertisers to pressure them into giving more GAA coverage? There's plenty of businesses out there which sponsor GAA teams and competitions, there's bound to be some of them that advertise on UTV as well. Surely they're getting poor value for their investment when big crowds show up at Gaelic games and escape the attention of cameras, while the three men and a dog at soccer matches get the undivided attention of the producers. Nothing motivates a broadcaster quite like the words "we're going to stop advertising with you unless..."
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 10, 2011, 10:19:09 PM
Since UTV is a commercial station, would it not be possible for advertisers to pressure them into giving more GAA coverage? There's plenty of businesses out there which sponsor GAA teams and competitions, there's bound to be some of them that advertise on UTV as well. Surely they're getting poor value for their investment when big crowds show up at Gaelic games and escape the attention of cameras, while the three men and a dog at soccer matches get the undivided attention of the producers. Nothing motivates a broadcaster quite like the words "we're going to stop advertising with you unless..."
excellent point, although it wasn't the soccer that got to me, it was the Lisnagarvey IV v Banbridge III Junior Hockey matches that did that
Is GAA coverage being sidelined in the occupied territories? it seems strange that both Logan and Quinn both were let go.
I always found them to be very decent journalists with a deep love for the games especially fuball.
Weak article by Keith Duggan in the Irish Times at the weekend that touches on GAA coverage in the north.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0108/1224287044296.html
Rather than focus on just why BBC NI and UTV give vastly disproportionate coverage to gaelic football compared to the crowds it attracts, he thought the main angle was the fickle nature of being a TV presenter.
He could easily have got loads of examples from the gaaboard to highlight how NI local soccer traditionally gets the lions share of resources, despite getting hardly any support.
Until rte is freely available in every home in the north, BBC NI and UTV should not be allowed to get away with third rate coverage of the sport that draw's NI's largest crowds.
Quote from: snatter on January 11, 2011, 11:26:44 AM
Weak article by Keith Duggan in the Irish Times at the weekend that touches on GAA coverage in the north.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0108/1224287044296.html
Rather than focus on just why BBC NI and UTV give vastly disproportionate coverage to gaelic football compared to the crowds it attracts, he thought the main angle was the fickle nature of being a TV presenter.
He could easily have got loads of examples from the gaaboard to highlight how NI local soccer traditionally gets the lions share of resources, despite getting hardly any support.
Until rte is freely available in every home in the north, BBC NI and UTV should not be allowed to get away with third rate coverage of the sport that draw's NI's largest crowds.
You expect him to quote anonymous people on a discussion board as evidence? Now that would be weak.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 11, 2011, 11:35:19 AM
You expect him to quote anonymous people on a discussion board as evidence? Now that would be weak.
Not peoples' opinions, no, but the facts that have published here.
For example, somebody posted a complete list of NI local soccer attendances a year or two ago. These figures effectively leaked into the public domain - the IFA refuses to publish attendance figures for the obvious reason that they would highlight just what a minority attraction it is.
Several posters were able to highlight the virtual non-coverage given to Ulster club championship matches that drew tens of thousands the same weekend.
Keith Duggan could have used these figures to question BBC NI (i think it was) just why they blanket deployed their cameras at soccer matches attracting fewer than 150 people, but ignored GAA.
Quote from: snatter on January 11, 2011, 11:48:26 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 11, 2011, 11:35:19 AM
You expect him to quote anonymous people on a discussion board as evidence? Now that would be weak.
Not peoples' opinions, no, but the facts that have published here.
For example, somebody posted a complete list of NI local soccer attendances a year or two ago. These figures effectively leaked into the public domain - the IFA refuses to publish attendance figures for the obvious reason that they would highlight just what a minority attraction it is.
Several posters were able to highlight the virtual non-coverage given to Ulster club championship matches that drew tens of thousands the same weekend.
Keith Duggan could have used these figures to question BBC NI (i think it was) just why they blanket deployed their cameras at soccer matches attracting fewer than 150 people, but ignored GAA.
Sure that person could have made up the figures. Not a reliable source in all fairness. But the piece would be stronger if he got hold of such info from reliable or proper sources.
It is hard to imagine say Michael Lyster and Marty Morrissey being sacked from
RTE. What is driving this attitude to the GAA in the north?
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 11, 2011, 11:52:12 AM
Sure that person could have made up the figures. Not a reliable source in all fairness. But the piece would be stronger if he got hold of such info from reliable or proper sources.
They could have, but didn't. As already stated, they leaked out into the public domain and were republished here.
Quote from: seafoid on January 11, 2011, 11:53:19 AM
It is hard to imagine say Michael Lyster and Marty Morrissey being sacked from
RTE. What is driving this attitude to the GAA in the north?
If they slagged off their bosses on a public website they'd get the boot quickly enough I'd imagine.
Here's how it should be done with the BBC ;)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12161045
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 11, 2011, 12:13:47 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 11, 2011, 11:53:19 AM
It is hard to imagine say Michael Lyster and Marty Morrissey being sacked from
RTE. What is driving this attitude to the GAA in the north?
If they slagged off their bosses on a public website they'd get the boot quickly enough I'd imagine.
gerry ryan used to give out about rte steady (not anonymously though).
I am not convinced that quoting attendance figures is that relevant either tbh, that realy says nothing about tv viewership - surely ratings as collected by the agencies that do that are much more important, certainly to advertisers and also to the BBC in letting them know what the public think of their programming.
Quote from: Bogball XV on January 11, 2011, 02:00:19 PM
surely ratings as collected by the agencies that do that are much more important, certainly to advertisers and also to the BBC in letting them know what the public think of their programming.
Not sure what way the figures are collected up here. I have requested them from BBCNI before and they've refused to hand them over on the grounds that they were not the owners of the data and at the same time have refused to say who gave them the data in the first place.
Quote from: Ulick on January 11, 2011, 03:58:32 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on January 11, 2011, 02:00:19 PM
surely ratings as collected by the agencies that do that are much more important, certainly to advertisers and also to the BBC in letting them know what the public think of their programming.
Not sure what way the figures are collected up here. I have requested them from BBCNI before and they've refused to hand them over on the grounds that they were not the owners of the data and at the same time have refused to say who gave them the data in the first place.
I've had the same experience regarding getting the figures from the BBC, over the last two or three years. Even been told on one occasion, that the figures are not a true reflection, whatever that means.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 11, 2011, 12:13:47 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 11, 2011, 11:53:19 AM
It is hard to imagine say Michael Lyster and Marty Morrissey being sacked from
RTE. What is driving this attitude to the GAA in the north?
If they slagged off their bosses on a public website they'd get the boot quickly enough I'd imagine.
If they were betrayed by their colleagues, who knows what might have transpired. Maybe just a warning would be sufficient. But is there the same culture of snitching on your colleagues in RTE as appears to be in the BBC NI?
Jerome's internet activity was outed by a snitch, Stephen Watson, who reported Jerome to his bosses.
Quote from: seafoid on January 11, 2011, 11:53:19 AM
It is hard to imagine say Michael Lyster and Marty Morrissey being sacked from RTE.
Yes - this is the other extreme. It's impossible to be sacked from RTÉ.
What was the trigger that set Jerome Quinn complaining about GAA coverage? Was it the same as the force that pushed logie out of his job? Do the BBC and UTV cover less GAA now than say 5 years ago? If so what explains this?
Quote from: seafoid on January 11, 2011, 11:53:19 AM
What is driving this attitude to the GAA in the north?
Use your imagination.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 10, 2011, 10:19:09 PM
Since UTV is a commercial station, would it not be possible for advertisers to pressure them into giving more GAA coverage? There's plenty of businesses out there which sponsor GAA teams and competitions, there's bound to be some of them that advertise on UTV as well. Surely they're getting poor value for their investment when big crowds show up at Gaelic games and escape the attention of cameras, while the three men and a dog at soccer matches get the undivided attention of the producers. Nothing motivates a broadcaster quite like the words "we're going to stop advertising with you unless..."
If it made commercial sense, UTV would be showing gaelic games. The fact is that you have to pay for the rights to broadcast GAA and even where BBC or UTV have shown matches, most people still tune in to RTÉ! Now that doesn't matter so much to the BBC who
don't need viewing figures to justify their coverage (of
any sport), but it's exactly what matters to a commercial boradcaster.
Quote from: seafoid on January 11, 2011, 05:01:45 PM
What was the trigger that set Jerome Quinn complaining about GAA coverage? Was it the same as the force that pushed logie out of his job? Do the BBC and UTV cover less GAA now than say 5 years ago? If so what explains this?
I would say the coverage exceeds what was on offer five years ago, every Ulster Championship bar one (and there was deferred coverage of it) have been live the last two years and Down and Tyrones QF, Downs Semi and final were all shown live by the BBC. People don't seem to be letting that get in the way of a good story though.
Quote from: Bogball XV on January 11, 2011, 02:00:19 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 11, 2011, 12:13:47 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 11, 2011, 11:53:19 AM
It is hard to imagine say Michael Lyster and Marty Morrissey being sacked from
RTE. What is driving this attitude to the GAA in the north?
If they slagged off their bosses on a public website they'd get the boot quickly enough I'd imagine.
gerry ryan used to give out about rte steady (not anonymously though).
I am not convinced that quoting attendance figures is that relevant either tbh, that realy says nothing about tv viewership - surely ratings as collected by the agencies that do that are much more important, certainly to advertisers and also to the BBC in letting them know what the public think of their programming.
BBC programming isn't driven purely by ratings though. They have obligations to cover minority interests as well.
Quote from: seafoid on January 11, 2011, 10:35:34 AM
Is GAA coverage being sidelined in the occupied territories? it seems strange that both Logan and Quinn both were let go.
I always found them to be very decent journalists with a deep love for the games especially fuball.
I don't watch UTV news, but iro the BBC, Quinn was replaced with other GAA journalists, so the argument that he was sacked because he was a GAA reporter doesn't hold much water.
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 11, 2011, 07:12:48 PM
I don't watch UTV news, but iro the BBC, Quinn was replaced with other GAA journalists, so the argument that he was sacked because he was a GAA reporter doesn't hold much water.
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Yea ok, but look at it this way. If he was the main GAA presenter and the GAA were perceived have been sidelined... then the main GAA presenter is taken off the main GAA programme (the c/ship). The main GAA presenter then goes on the offensive regarding reduced coverage. He is then sacked for this offensive. It could be argued that he was sacked indirectly due to his GAA status. Admittedly much of this was due to his own doing, but he simply gave the BBC (with a little help from Thomas Kane) the rope to hang him, and they duly obliged!
What's your problem with Thomas Kane? Don't know anyone else who has a problem with him.
Quote from: ck on January 11, 2011, 09:30:09 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 11, 2011, 07:12:48 PM
I don't watch UTV news, but iro the BBC, Quinn was replaced with other GAA journalists, so the argument that he was sacked because he was a GAA reporter doesn't hold much water.
Yea ok, but look at it this way. If he was the main GAA presenter and the GAA were perceived have been sidelined... then the main GAA presenter is taken off the main GAA programme (the c/ship). The main GAA presenter then goes on the offensive regarding reduced coverage. He is then sacked for this offensive. It could be argued that he was sacked indirectly due to his GAA status. Admittedly much of this was due to his own doing, but he simply gave the BBC (with a little help from Thomas Kane) the rope to hang him, and they duly obliged!
So if he only went on the offensive
after he had been (in his eyes) demoted, was that offensive credible? Or sour grapes? Or was the level of GAA coverage not that big of an issue as long as he was top (GAA) dog?
Also, if he was sacked due to his GAA status, how/why have the likes of Austin O'Callaghan and Thomas Kane been allowed to flourish?
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 11, 2011, 09:31:47 PM
What's your problem with Thomas Kane? Don't know anyone else who has a problem with him.
He's a snake in the grass. It's well documented in previous posts.
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 11, 2011, 09:47:42 PM
Quote from: ck on January 11, 2011, 09:30:09 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 11, 2011, 07:12:48 PM
I don't watch UTV news, but iro the BBC, Quinn was replaced with other GAA journalists, so the argument that he was sacked because he was a GAA reporter doesn't hold much water.
Yea ok, but look at it this way. If he was the main GAA presenter and the GAA were perceived have been sidelined... then the main GAA presenter is taken off the main GAA programme (the c/ship). The main GAA presenter then goes on the offensive regarding reduced coverage. He is then sacked for this offensive. It could be argued that he was sacked indirectly due to his GAA status. Admittedly much of this was due to his own doing, but he simply gave the BBC (with a little help from Thomas Kane) the rope to hang him, and they duly obliged!
So if he only went on the offensive after he had been (in his eyes) demoted, was that offensive credible? Or sour grapes? Or was the level of GAA coverage not that big of an issue as long as he was top (GAA) dog?
Also, if he was sacked due to his GAA status, how/why have the likes of Austin O'Callaghan and Thomas Kane been allowed to flourish?
He had issues with BBC coverage well before his demotion according to Quinn but only went on the offensive post his relegation. I think it was all slightly more than just sour grapes. He faught a genuine issue in a very poor way IMO.
As for O'Callaghan and Kane flourishing? Maybe a slight embellishment there. O'Callaghan is a decent presenter. Kane is a bit part player really.
do us a favour and give this a rest while the Harte situation is unfolding?
Quote from: Ulick on January 11, 2011, 03:58:32 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on January 11, 2011, 02:00:19 PM
surely ratings as collected by the agencies that do that are much more important, certainly to advertisers and also to the BBC in letting them know what the public think of their programming.
Not sure what way the figures are collected up here. I have requested them from BBCNI before and they've refused to hand them over on the grounds that they were not the owners of the data and at the same time have refused to say who gave them the data in the first place.
You must be busy.
Quote from: Any craic on January 11, 2011, 10:57:37 PM
do us a favour and give this a rest while the Harte situation is unfolding?
Yeah fair enough. Was trying to get my head away from it to be honest.
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 11, 2011, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 10, 2011, 10:19:09 PM
Since UTV is a commercial station, would it not be possible for advertisers to pressure them into giving more GAA coverage? There's plenty of businesses out there which sponsor GAA teams and competitions, there's bound to be some of them that advertise on UTV as well. Surely they're getting poor value for their investment when big crowds show up at Gaelic games and escape the attention of cameras, while the three men and a dog at soccer matches get the undivided attention of the producers. Nothing motivates a broadcaster quite like the words "we're going to stop advertising with you unless..."
If it made commercial sense, UTV would be showing gaelic games. The fact is that you have to pay for the rights to broadcast GAA and even where BBC or UTV have shown matches, most people still tune in to RTÉ! Now that doesn't matter so much to the BBC who don't need viewing figures to justify their coverage (of any sport), but it's exactly what matters to a commercial boradcaster.
Live broadcasting rights have to be paid for, but what about footage to show later in the sports segment of a regular news show? That's what gets on my wick, the wall to wall coverage of Irish League soccer matches attended by two-men-and-a-dog and the omission of GAA matches that have far bigger crowds. I've seen a complete non-story about some upcoming boxing match weeks into the future taking precedence over an historic All-Ireland win. I'm usually the last man to play the 'discrimination' card, but in this case I honestly think there's something to it.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 11, 2011, 11:59:58 PM
Live broadcasting rights have to be paid for, but what about footage to show later in the sports segment of a regular news show? That's what gets on my wick, the wall to wall coverage of Irish League soccer matches attended by two-men-and-a-dog and the omission of GAA matches that have far bigger crowds. I've seen a complete non-story about some upcoming boxing match weeks into the future taking precedence over an historic All-Ireland win. I'm usually the last man to play the 'discrimination' card, but in this case I honestly think there's something to it.
Highlights have to be paid for too. RTE don't have a GAA higlights show due to the convolution about who owns rights to what tournament.
The IFA make soccer highlights available to the BBC. The FAI make them available to RTE. Both are shown. The GAA has not made highlights available to BBC or RTE, so they are not.
You can blame the BBC for 'bias' until the cows come home. They CANNOT show the same highlights that they show of soccer.
QuoteHighlights have to be paid for too. RTE don't have a GAA higlights show due to the convolution about who owns rights to what tournament.
There is a definite point here. It is in the GAAs interest to have highlights shown and they should structure rights agreements so that news bulletins etc can show clips, rather than always going for the highest bidder. When there was a UTV GAA programme (was it End to End) it was crippled by not being able to show highlights. The GAA should make these highlights available at a reasonable cost and then pressure media outlets to actually make use of them.