Sorry to start a new thread but I though this deserved a wider audience (if admin doesn't agree then feel free to close it).
Jarlath Burns was interviewed on the BBC Politics Show at the weekend and said
"I suppose from a GAA perspective, a lot of GAA people are puzzled at the approach the Ulster Council have taken because of the amount of great stadiums we have already - do we need another one at the Maze?
"But, my own belief in it is that there was a sort of an unwritten, unsaid agreement between Sinn Fein and the GAA where the republicans said they would allow the GAA to make up its own mind without interference on Rule 21 and Rule 42, and allow them to reflect on that IF the GAA, as a sort of a quid-pro-quo, would be supportive of the Maze Stadium because, of course, it is part of the project which includes H3 and the prison hospital which was of deep emotional significance to republicans".
Just wandering what the GAA heads on here (especially the Southern ones) think of the idea of the Ulster GAA doing deals with SF, for purely political rather than sporting reasons. Or was Jarlath talking bollix?
Jarlath thought that Stephen Kernan had a great game against Donegal, so i'll not be paying much heed to anything he says.
Do you see the words 'MY OWN BELIEF' ??
That kinda gives it away.
Jarlath just likes to see his name in print - the only think the man isn't in is the crib - pinch of salt here!
They're his views, not based on facts.
Seeing as you're so fond of facts on this issue, get the facts to support this view ;)
is this just another dig at the GAA from you Sammy? ;)
Quote from: ziggysego on June 25, 2007, 11:32:59 AM
They're his views, not based on facts.
Seeing as you're so fond of facts on this issue, get the facts to support this view ;)
I haven't seen any facts, that's why I posted a question. It just seems a bit strange that somebody in Jarlath's position would be making up a story, like this.
QuoteIt just seems a bit strange that somebody in Jarlath's position would be making up a story, like this
Exactly what position is that?
Sammy is just having fun with this non issue, he knows rightly that jarlath was offering his opinion yet he coninues to peddle this ridiculous theory about to see who will bite.
What position is Jarlath taking there sammy?
Jarlath also said there was nothing about the Maze stadium in the papers whereas there was plenty about in one and it was mentioned in at least one other, yet he was there to do a paper review.
Still, interesting to get a perspective from someone close to GAA and, until this thread, someone who is thought of as being respected within GAA and republican circles, as his inclusion last week in a panel on the legacy of dealing with NI's past kind of exemplified.
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 11:40:16 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on June 25, 2007, 11:32:59 AM
They're his views, not based on facts.
Seeing as you're so fond of facts on this issue, get the facts to support this view ;)
I haven't seen any facts, that's why I posted a question. It just seems a bit strange that somebody in Jarlath's position would be making up a story, like this.
Ah, get you now Sammy.
Well I would be very surprised if there was any truth in this rumour. I wouldn't like to think it is true either.
On a personal note, I don't see the need for a new stadium and don't particularly want one either. However if we are to get one, well I wouldn't want it to be in Belfast.
The maze is yer only man for the stadium, the shafties will simply have to travel or norn iron will be down to about 7,000 'fans' for their games with the odd sell out against Engerland or the Republic should their paths cross.
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 11:25:53 AM
Just wandering what the GAA heads on here (especially the Southern ones) think of the idea of the Ulster GAA doing deals with SF, for purely political rather than sporting reasons. Or was Jarlath talking bollix?
What deal was that Sammy - the unsaid and unwritten one? Even the Bert would have problems putting that one together. ::)
Took the words out of my mouth donagh.
Clutching at straws again sammy.
Sammy, get over yourself. Jim Gracey, Howard Wells and David Healy all said in yesterday's Sunday Life to get on with the stadium at the Maze. Gracey also drew attention to the fact that a loyalist compound was also being preserved at Long Kesh, but, and I quote, "you'd think the H Block was to be in the centre circle, to hear some people". He also said that the bgaze of sports fans need never fall on either of the Long Kesh compounds whenthey attend the Maze, unlike soccer stadia such as in Nuremburg which are tangible shrines to Nazism They also admitted that no one had come up with any viable Belfast location as an alternative
Get over it.
Just on another point about Jarlath Burns, has he got the teeth done, he talks as if he a gumshield in now!
Quote from: Donagh on June 25, 2007, 12:23:29 PM
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 11:25:53 AM
Just wandering what the GAA heads on here (especially the Southern ones) think of the idea of the Ulster GAA doing deals with SF, for purely political rather than sporting reasons. Or was Jarlath talking bollix?
What deal was that Sammy - the unsaid and unwritten one? Even the Bert would have problems putting that one together. ::)
So you think that Jarlath was talking bollix? Seems a bit of a strange thing to bring up at this stage.
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 12:46:11 PM
Quote from: Donagh on June 25, 2007, 12:23:29 PM
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 11:25:53 AM
Just wandering what the GAA heads on here (especially the Southern ones) think of the idea of the Ulster GAA doing deals with SF, for purely political rather than sporting reasons. Or was Jarlath talking bollix?
What deal was that Sammy - the unsaid and unwritten one? Even the Bert would have problems putting that one together. ::)
So you think that Jarlath was talking bollix? Seems a bit of a strange thing to bring up at this stage.
No Sammy noone thinks that, whatever gave you that idea.
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 12:46:11 PM
So you think that Jarlath was talking bollix? Seems a bit of a strange thing to bring up at this stage.
Rule 21 was abolished in 2001 with Rule 41 amended in 2005. The Maze stadium plan was launched in 2006, work it out for yourself.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 25, 2007, 12:40:58 PM
Sammy, get over yourself. Jim Gracey, Howard Wells and David Healy all said in yesterday's Sunday Life to get on with the stadium at the Maze.
Lie
Quote from: T Fearon on June 25, 2007, 12:40:58 PM
Gracey also drew attention to the fact that a loyalist compound was also being preserved at Long Kesh,
WHo gives a fcuk?
Quote from: T Fearon on June 25, 2007, 12:40:58 PM
but, and I quote, "you'd think the H Block was to be in the centre circle, to hear some people". He also said that the bgaze of sports fans need never fall on either of the Long Kesh compounds whenthey attend the Maze,
More lies, the plan is for the car park to be beside the shrine. It will not be possible to get to the stadium without passing the shrine. Also as discussed a million times, the shrine is not a major issue, as it will go ahead whether the stadium is built or not.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 25, 2007, 12:40:58 PM
unlike soccer stadia such as in Nuremburg which are tangible shrines to Nazism
Interesting comparison, you'll have Donagh after you for comparing his heroes to the Nazis.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 25, 2007, 12:40:58 PM
They also admitted that no one had come up with any viable Belfast location as an alternative
They admitted nothing of the sort, in fact they actually said the complet opposite.
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 01:12:09 PM
More lies, the plan is for the car park to be beside the shrine. It will not be possible to get to the stadium without passing the shrine.
Sure you can always take the tunnel :P
Quote from: Donagh on June 25, 2007, 01:10:31 PMThe Maze stadium plan was launched in 2006, work it out for yourself.
Really?
Silly, silly, silly!
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 01:12:09 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 25, 2007, 12:40:58 PM
unlike soccer stadia such as in Nuremburg which are tangible shrines to Nazism
Interesting comparison, you'll have Donagh after you for comparing his heroes to the Nazis.
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I'm not one to defend Tony, but I think the point was that it is a reminder not to repeat our troubled history.
Written records prove that GAA support for an inclusive stadium existsed BEFORE the Maze site was ever even made available, in fact, even while it was full of paramilitary prisoners.
At the NI Affairs Select Committee, meeting in 1999, Don Allen of the NI Sports Council confirmed that the GAA had supported a shared NI sports stadium from at least
1995 onwards.
This debunks any assertion that GAA support for a new stadium is in any way linked to SF policy re a reconciliation centre (or shrine if you're from the rejectionist wing of the dup).JarlathB, SammyG, and any GAA bashing conspiracy theorists take note!
Don Allen's (NI Sports COuncil) quotes from Hansard 1999:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmniaf/179/9020804.htm
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We have talked to the GAA and they would support very very strongly a national stadium, they would like it to happen.
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38. What is the official position on the national stadium of the Gaelic Athletic Association?
(Mr Allen) Four years ago, when we were talking about a Millennium bid, we talked to them and they were very, very supportive and they have been very supportive of the national training facility.
Quote from: snatter on June 25, 2007, 01:26:15 PM
Written records prove that GAA support for an inclusive stadium existsed BEFORE the Maze site was ever even made available, in fact, even while it was full of paramilitary prisoners.
At the NI Affairs Select Committee, meeting in 1999, Don Allen of the NI Sports Council confirmed that the GAA had supported a shared NI sports stadium from at least 1995 onwards.
This debunks any assertion that GAA support for a new stadium is in any way linked to SF policy re a reconciliation centre (or shrine if you're from the rejectionist wing of the dup).
JarlathB, SammyG, and any GAA bashing conspiracy theorists take note!
Don Allen's (NI Sports COuncil) quotes from Hansard 1999:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmniaf/179/9020804.htm
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21.
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We have talked to the GAA and they would support very very strongly a national stadium, they would like it to happen.
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38. What is the official position on the national stadium of the Gaelic Athletic Association?
(Mr Allen) Four years ago, when we were talking about a Millennium bid, we talked to them and they were very, very supportive and they have been very supportive of the national training facility.
Interesting but also completely irrelevant, given that the GAA vetoed the proposals and left us with the mess we're now in.
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 01:32:31 PM
Interesting but also completely irrelevant, given that the GAA vetoed the proposals and left us with the mess we're now in.
Aye, sure it's all the GAAs fault. :D
Comforting to know that when the chips are down, NI soccer people will always revert to type.
Relevance?
some delusional serial GAA basher seeks opinion on, and I quote,
Quotethe Ulster GAA doing deals with SF, for purely political rather than sporting reasons
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A mentally balanced poster then proves categorically, courtesy of Hansard, that the original poster's statement is completely typical anti-GAA bollix.
Original deluded poster, in time proven manner, then
1. totally ignores facts that differs from his delusions, claiming that facts are somehow irrelevant to his original post.
2. attempts to distract by repeating yet more irrelevant anti-GAA dribble about some imaginary GAA veto that ruined his life.
I admit this has nothing at all to do with the bigotted one's delusional plot about SF and the GAA being in cahoots, but it has got to be repeated anyway in the inteerests of correctness:
ALL THREE SPORTS BODIES HAVE AN EQUAL VETO ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SHARED STADIUM. IF ANY WISHES TO WALK AWAY, FOR WHATEVERE REASON, THEY ARE FREE TO DO SO.
The only caveat is that the Brit Govt have made it clear that there will be no financial assistance (I assume directly or indirectly) for any stadium that does not provide for all three codes.
Quote from: Donagh on June 25, 2007, 01:46:55 PM
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 01:32:31 PM
Interesting but also completely irrelevant, given that the GAA vetoed the proposals and left us with the mess we're now in.
Aye, sure it's all the GAAs fault. :D
Comforting to know that when the chips are down, NI soccer people will always revert to type.
Comforting to note that you still don't read what I actually wrote, rather than what you think I wrote. My mention of the GAA veto was in answer to the previous post, not in relation the whole fiasco. As I have said many times the GAA have played a blinder over the Maze, if it gets built they've got everything the want and if (as seems likely) it goes belly up, they haven't lost anything.
What are you scared of? :-\
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 01:51:16 PM
Quote from: Donagh on June 25, 2007, 01:46:55 PM
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 01:32:31 PM
Interesting but also completely irrelevant, given that the GAA vetoed the proposals and left us with the mess we're now in.
Aye, sure it's all the GAAs fault. :D
Comforting to know that when the chips are down, NI soccer people will always revert to type.
Comforting to note that you still don't read what I actually wrote, rather than what you think I wrote. My mention of the GAA veto was in answer to the previous post, not in relation the whole fiasco. As I have said many times the GAA have played a blinder over the Maze, if it gets built they've got everything the want and if (as seems likely) it goes belly up, they haven't lost anything.
It's good to know that you have such a high opinion of the GAA in comparison to the the IFA samuel.
Such a load of shite sammy because of the views of one person.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 25, 2007, 06:11:24 PM
Such a load of shite sammy because of the views of one person.
What shite, I haven't said anything, I asked for people's opinions of JB's comments, hardly a hanging offence.
course, you're as white as snow.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 25, 2007, 06:26:49 PM
course, you're as white as snow.
Aye that's what I said. ::)
We know Jarlath said what he did - it's repeated tomight on BBC NI if anyone doubts this.
But instead of laying into Sammy for asking the question, is there anyone out there from amongst the GAA community who might enlighten those of us outside of it as to the following, namely: why did Burns say what he did publicly?
I can only think of three explanations:
1. He was simply making it up;
2. He imagined it to be so;
3. He has some sort of grounds for believing it so (i.e. more than just imagination).
If it is No.1, is he the sort to make things up and if so, to what effect or purpose?
If No. 2, is he normally someone who lets his (presumably vivid) imagination run away with him to concoct something out of nothing?
If No.3, whether his account is strictly accurate or not, what do GAA fans think of the situation whereby the GAA may be "doing deals" of one sort or another with SF?
I genuinely would appreciate it if people could stick to these points (though I don't feel I should have to ask this, if truth be told)
QuoteBut instead of laying into Sammy for asking the question, is there anyone out there from amongst the GAA community who might enlighten those of us outside of it as to the following, namely: why did Burns say what he did publicly?
I can only think of three explanations:
1. He was simply making it up;
2. He imagined it to be so;
3. He has some sort of grounds for believing it so (i.e. more than just imagination).
I don't think there is anyone laying into sammy for asking the question, more for making a mountain out of molehill.
As jarlath said many in the gaa cant understand why the gaa are going ahead with this stadium. My own belief is that they don't want to be the ones to pull the plug, jarlath's belief (as I see it) is that they are doing the shinners a favour for keeping out of the rule 21 and 42 debates. You'd probably need to ask him why he came to that conclusion as I don't see anyone here agreeing with him.
Longtimedead
QuoteJarlath just likes to see his name in print - the only think the man isn't in is the crib - pinch of salt here!
You'd know a lot about him alright!
He does a serious amount of work, particularly for his club, that is never mentioned anywhere!
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 25, 2007, 07:29:49 PM
I can only think of three explanations:
1. He was simply making it up;
2. He imagined it to be so;
3. He has some sort of grounds for believing it so (i.e. more than just imagination).
I would say 2.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 25, 2007, 08:06:06 PMI don't think there is anyone laying into sammy for asking the question, more for making a mountain out of molehill.
How have I made a mountian out of a molehill? I haven't made any comment other than quoting what JB said. It just seemed a very strange thing for a respected GAA head to be saying on a TV programme.
To put the but on the other foot. Can you imagine if Gerry Armstrong had made a statement that the IFA were doing deals with the DUP? Do you think that some questions might have been asked, on this board?
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 09:24:37 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 25, 2007, 08:06:06 PMI don't think there is anyone laying into sammy for asking the question, more for making a mountain out of molehill.
How have I made a mountian out of a molehill? I haven't made any comment other than quoting what JB said. It just seemed a very strange thing for a respected GAA head to be saying on a TV programme.
To put the but on the other foot. Can you imagine if Gerry Armstrong had made a statement that the IFA were doing deals with the DUP? Do you think that some questions might have been asked, on this board?
Take a redner sammy, you cannot in all good faith compare the dup and the shinners!
Quote from: stew on June 25, 2007, 09:27:34 PM
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 09:24:37 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 25, 2007, 08:06:06 PMI don't think there is anyone laying into sammy for asking the question, more for making a mountain out of molehill.
How have I made a mountian out of a molehill? I haven't made any comment other than quoting what JB said. It just seemed a very strange thing for a respected GAA head to be saying on a TV programme.
To put the but on the other foot. Can you imagine if Gerry Armstrong had made a statement that the IFA were doing deals with the DUP? Do you think that some questions might have been asked, on this board?
Take a redner sammy, you cannot in all good faith compare the dup and the shinners!
WTF are you on about? Where have I compared the DUP to SF? I presume you've been on the beer this afternoon. ::)
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 09:24:37 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 25, 2007, 08:06:06 PMI don't think there is anyone laying into sammy for asking the question, more for making a mountain out of molehill.
How have I made a mountian out of a molehill? I haven't made any comment other than quoting what JB said. It just seemed a very strange thing for a respected GAA head to be saying on a TV programme.
To put the but on the other foot. Can you imagine if Gerry Armstrong had made a statement that the IFA were doing deals with the DUP? Do you think that some questions might have been asked, on this board?
There you go again sammy, mountain out of a molehill, jarlath never said the GAA and the shinners were doing deals.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 25, 2007, 09:31:04 PM
There you go again sammy, mountain out of a molehill, jarlath never said the GAA and the shinners were doing deals.
He said that he believed that the GAA and SF were doing deals.
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 09:32:17 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 25, 2007, 09:31:04 PM
There you go again sammy, mountain out of a molehill, jarlath never said the GAA and the shinners were doing deals.
He said that he believed that the GAA and SF were doing deals.
And he is wrong sammy, move along then.
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 09:32:17 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 25, 2007, 09:31:04 PM
There you go again sammy, mountain out of a molehill, jarlath never said the GAA and the shinners were doing deals.
He said that he believed that the GAA and SF were doing deals.
Unsaid unwritten agreements. Funny deals.
Even if you stretch out what he's saying as far as it'll go to suit your agenda have you noticed that not one person here agrees with him?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 25, 2007, 09:38:53 PM
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 09:32:17 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 25, 2007, 09:31:04 PM
There you go again sammy, mountain out of a molehill, jarlath never said the GAA and the shinners were doing deals.
He said that he believed that the GAA and SF were doing deals.
Unsaid unwritten agreements. Funny deals.
Even if you stretch out what he's saying as far as it'll go to suit your agenda have you noticed that not one person here agrees with him?
What agenda, I repeat for the umpteenth time, I have made no comment other than to post what JB said.
As far as people agreeing or disagreeing, hardly anybody has commented on what he said, instead they've gone for the 'shoot the messenger' approach. Nobody has explained why a respected GAA head would just make up a (potentially) damaging story, on live tv?
Your agenda to prove that the gaa and sinn fein are all one or some shite.
You've made several posts on this thread and you only quoted jarlath in one, the rest are you implying that sinn fein and the gaa are making deals.
He didn't make up any story, he expressed a personal belief, which he's entitled to do, that doesn't mean he's right.
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 09:41:55 PM
Nobody has explained why a respected GAA head would just make up a (potentially) damaging story, on live tv?
Jarlath is ill-informed. As snatter points out, the GAA was on the record in its interest in a multi-sports stadium as long ago as 1995. And are we meant to believe that this "unwritten, unsaid agreement" would survive the countless changes in GAA personnel that take place over any twelve year period?
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 09:29:36 PM
Quote from: stew on June 25, 2007, 09:27:34 PM
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 09:24:37 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 25, 2007, 08:06:06 PMI don't think there is anyone laying into sammy for asking the question, more for making a mountain out of molehill.
How have I made a mountian out of a molehill? I haven't made any comment other than quoting what JB said. It just seemed a very strange thing for a respected GAA head to be saying on a TV programme.
To put the but on the other foot. Can you imagine if Gerry Armstrong had made a statement that the IFA were doing deals with the DUP? Do you think that some questions might have been asked, on this board?
Take a redner sammy, you cannot in all good faith compare the dup and the shinners!
WTF are you on about? Where have I compared the DUP to SF? I presume you've been on the beer this afternoon. ::)
You drew a parallel between the IFA/DUP and the shinners and the GAA. How can you do that, the IFA lease out their clubhouses out to known loyalist gangsters and the dup are the most hateful cult in the history of the country. To tar the GAA and the shinners with the same brush as those other two entities tells me you have lost your mind.
Ps, i am not on the beer, havent had one in months.
Quote from: stew on June 25, 2007, 10:00:45 PM
Ps, i am not on the beer, havent had one in months.
What about two? ;)
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 11:25:53 AM
Just wandering what the GAA heads on here (especially the Southern ones) think of the idea of the Ulster GAA doing deals with SF, for purely political rather than sporting reasons. Or was Jarlath talking bollix?
Sammy i presume as you have stated that you have "NO AGENDA" that you meant to include
supposedly (according to JB) as no facts are available, purely speculation.
As for my own opinion on this, i think that if the GAA are being offered a free 40,000+ stadium they are not going to be concerned what political motivations are behind it from either side, but that the heads of the GAA are going to do whats best for the GAA.
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 09:41:55 PM
Nobody has explained why a respected GAA head would just make up a (potentially) damaging story, on live tv?
I did not see when JB made his comments, but as he is a pundit for the BBC I presume he was asked his opinion on the issue and he gave it as he sees it.
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 11:25:53 AM
Sorry to start a new thread but I though this deserved a wider audience (if admin doesn't agree then feel free to close it).
Jarlath Burns was interviewed on the BBC Politics Show at the weekend and said
"I suppose from a GAA perspective, a lot of GAA people are puzzled at the approach the Ulster Council have taken because of the amount of great stadiums we have already - do we need another one at the Maze?
"But, my own belief in it is that there was a sort of an unwritten, unsaid agreement between Sinn Fein and the GAA where the republicans said they would allow the GAA to make up its own mind without interference on Rule 21 and Rule 42, and allow them to reflect on that IF the GAA, as a sort of a quid-pro-quo, would be supportive of the Maze Stadium because, of course, it is part of the project which includes H3 and the prison hospital which was of deep emotional significance to republicans".
Just wandering what the GAA heads on here (especially the Southern ones) think of the idea of the Ulster GAA doing deals with SF, for purely political rather than sporting reasons. Or was Jarlath talking bollix?
SammyG,
A couple of points:
Jarlath is entitled to his view but certainly this seems idle speculation on his part.
Here's my idle speculation based on talking to delegates at annual conventions. The Ulster Council were against getting involved in the Maze. They have invested in Breffni, Clones, Casement and other grounds. They have county board screaming out for games at their grounds. The GAA central council have told them to back the Maze. Both Sean Kelly and Nickey Brennan have made statements on their support. The GAA wants to be seen to be involved in a cross-community activity. Once pushed to get involved the Ulster Council have driven a hard bargain in getting what they want. I say fair-play.
At the end of the day my speculation is as likely as Jarlath's but not fit some people's prejudices.
/Jim.
Jarlath Burns
Quotea sort of an unwritten, unsaid agreement
Is that a real agreement? Was it by telepathy?
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on June 26, 2007, 10:20:40 AM
Quote from: SammyG on June 25, 2007, 11:25:53 AM
Sorry to start a new thread but I though this deserved a wider audience (if admin doesn't agree then feel free to close it).
Jarlath Burns was interviewed on the BBC Politics Show at the weekend and said
"I suppose from a GAA perspective, a lot of GAA people are puzzled at the approach the Ulster Council have taken because of the amount of great stadiums we have already - do we need another one at the Maze?
"But, my own belief in it is that there was a sort of an unwritten, unsaid agreement between Sinn Fein and the GAA where the republicans said they would allow the GAA to make up its own mind without interference on Rule 21 and Rule 42, and allow them to reflect on that IF the GAA, as a sort of a quid-pro-quo, would be supportive of the Maze Stadium because, of course, it is part of the project which includes H3 and the prison hospital which was of deep emotional significance to republicans".
Just wandering what the GAA heads on here (especially the Southern ones) think of the idea of the Ulster GAA doing deals with SF, for purely political rather than sporting reasons. Or was Jarlath talking bollix?
SammyG,
A couple of points:
Jarlath is entitled to his view but certainly this seems idle speculation on his part.
Here's my idle speculation based on talking to delegates at annual conventions. The Ulster Council were against getting involved in the Maze. They have invested in Breffni, Clones, Casement and other grounds. They have county board screaming out for games at their grounds. The GAA central council have told them to back the Maze. Both Sean Kelly and Nickey Brennan have made statements on their support. The GAA wants to be seen to be involved in a cross-community activity. Once pushed to get involved the Ulster Council have driven a hard bargain in getting what they want. I say fair-play.
At the end of the day my speculation is as likely as Jarlath's but not fit some people's prejudices.
/Jim.
To be honest, as an outsider looking in, my view would be very similar to yours. The Ulster GAA don't want or need the Maze but if they're being offered it then they'll take what they can get and fcuk everybody else. NOTE before anybody starts that is meant as a compliment not a criticism, I wish the IFA had the balls to achieve half what the GAA have.
I just can't understand what JB was trying to achieve with his comments. I can't see any mileage for him in pissing of the GAA, so why not just either toe the party line or even say nothing.
Sammy Jarlath Burns thinks the the GAA is a 10 County Republic (Ulsters 9 + Kerry) so I wouldn't heed much of what he thinks, just in case that was a sporting reference not a political one.
The GAA is not Sein Fein or the IRA or anything of the sort, doh Blueshirt speaking here.
You just want us to be bigots, sorry to dissapoint.
I don't know where Jarlath gets the time from to be involved in as much as he reportedly is....his own day job, the different GAA committees, the BBC, his newspaper column, now this new committee...he must never be at home!
Quote from: balladmaker on June 26, 2007, 01:16:25 PM
I don't know where Jarlath gets the time from to be involved in as much as he reportedly is....his own day job, the different GAA committees, the BBC, his newspaper column, now this new committee...he must never be at home!
Is he not a teacher? then he would have the summer months available for other work.
Quote from: stiffler on June 26, 2007, 02:04:04 PM
Is he not a teacher? then he would have the summer months available for other work.
He teaches in the Donegal Gaeltacht during the summer.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 26, 2007, 01:16:25 PM
I don't know where Jarlath gets the time from to be involved in as much as he reportedly is....his own day job, the different GAA committees, the BBC, his newspaper column, now this new committee...he must never be at home!
He also manages Silverbridge's u10s and, overall, he's heavily involved in youth development within the club. He's the club's county board delegate. He captained the B team to the league and championship double last year and, as usual, he'll line out for them in the south armagh b championship final in a few weeks.
I don't know where he gets the time!
Impresive dedication :o
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gaelic-football-pundit-defends-decision-to-bring-catholic-school-students-to-gay-pride-parade-30564960.html
Quote from: orangeman on September 05, 2014, 05:58:31 PM
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gaelic-football-pundit-defends-decision-to-bring-catholic-school-students-to-gay-pride-parade-30564960.html
Not sure if it's an appropriate place to bring schoolkids (Still preferable to Orangefest mind you)
Similarly - I see the PC brigade in New York have forced through their wishes on the St Patrick's day parade.
I thought it was supposed to be a celebration of Irishness...I guess Guinness dictate otherwise they'll pull funding.
The Simpsons will need to change one of their episodes now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mKEyK11GRU
Are gay Irish people not allowed to celebrate St Paddys as well? ::)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 05, 2014, 09:25:54 PM
Are gay Irish people not allowed to celebrate St Paddys as well? ::)
Of course they are but why the need to segregate yourself out by sexual orientation?
Isn't that what the pride parades are for?
Policemen, Firemen, Army etc are all professions which have a history of irish people serving.
You have irish dancers, athletes of all sorts, musicians, artists etc who want to show off their irish heritage.
I'm not sure if I applied to march being a fat, boring, lazy slob who happens to have irish roots would get me a spot in the parade either... shouldn't it be about what you've done with your life rather just being born a certain way. I certainly don't expect special treatment because I think i'm special - or then go bitch to the courts to force them to let me in.
Quote from: foxcommander on September 05, 2014, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 05, 2014, 09:25:54 PM
Are gay Irish people not allowed to celebrate St Paddys as well? ::)
Of course they are but why the need to segregate yourself out by sexual orientation?
Isn't that what the pride parades are for?
Policemen, Firemen, Army etc are all professions which have a history of irish people serving.
You have irish dancers, athletes of all sorts, musicians, artists etc who want to show off their irish heritage.
I'm not sure if I applied to march being a fat, boring, lazy slob who happens to have irish roots would get me a spot in the parade either... shouldn't it be about what you've done with your life rather just being born a certain way. I certainly don't expect special treatment because I think i'm special - or then go bitch to the courts to force them to let me in.
You have segregated people by their occupation and nationality in your message so why not sexual orientation?
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on September 05, 2014, 09:56:43 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on September 05, 2014, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 05, 2014, 09:25:54 PM
Are gay Irish people not allowed to celebrate St Paddys as well? ::)
Of course they are but why the need to segregate yourself out by sexual orientation?
Isn't that what the pride parades are for?
Policemen, Firemen, Army etc are all professions which have a history of irish people serving.
You have irish dancers, athletes of all sorts, musicians, artists etc who want to show off their irish heritage.
I'm not sure if I applied to march being a fat, boring, lazy slob who happens to have irish roots would get me a spot in the parade either... shouldn't it be about what you've done with your life rather just being born a certain way. I certainly don't expect special treatment because I think i'm special - or then go bitch to the courts to force them to let me in.
You have segregated people by their occupation and nationality in your message so why not sexual orientation?
Nationality for obvious reasons otherwise you wouldn't have a parade. Duh!
You have heard all the arguments over the years about not singling people out due to their orientation and to accept people for who they are. Doesn't this seem to fly in the face of those wishes?
In my opinion it's mischief making and using the St Patricks Day parade as it's vehicle. Shame on them.
Quote from: foxcommander on September 05, 2014, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 05, 2014, 09:25:54 PM
Are gay Irish people not allowed to celebrate St Paddys as well? ::)
Of course they are but why the need to segregate yourself out by sexual orientation?
Isn't that what the pride parades are for?
Policemen, Firemen, Army etc are all professions which have a history of irish people serving.
You have irish dancers, athletes of all sorts, musicians, artists etc who want to show off their irish heritage.
I'm not sure if I applied to march being a fat, boring, lazy slob who happens to have irish roots would get me a spot in the parade either... shouldn't it be about what you've done with your life rather just being born a certain way. I certainly don't expect special treatment because I think i'm special - or then go bitch to the courts to force them to let me in.
That's easy. The reason gay people still feel the need to organise pride marches is because of i) the long history of discrimination and prejudice against them, and because ii) that discrimination and prejudice still very much exists today.
In relation to ii), you only have to read back over own posts to know that.
Pride.....in the name of love...or not.... as the case may be!
Why do gays have their own march? Surely that's discrimination against straight people?
Quote from: BennyCake on September 06, 2014, 12:15:57 AM
Why do gays have their own march? Surely that's discrimination against straight people?
Sure all those straight people in the Loyal Orders march every other day
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 06, 2014, 12:17:58 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 06, 2014, 12:15:57 AM
Why do gays have their own march? Surely that's discrimination against straight people?
Sure all those straight people in the Loyal Orders march every other day
Yes but what about the Catholics?
Quote from: foxcommander on September 05, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 05, 2014, 05:58:31 PM
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gaelic-football-pundit-defends-decision-to-bring-catholic-school-students-to-gay-pride-parade-30564960.html
Not sure if it's an appropriate place to bring schoolkids (Still preferable to Orangefest mind you)
Similarly - I see the PC brigade in New York have forced through their wishes on the St Patrick's day parade.
I thought it was supposed to be a celebration of Irishness...I guess Guinness dictate otherwise they'll pull funding.
The Simpsons will need to change one of their episodes now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mKEyK11GRU
Gays have been taking part in the San Francisco St Paddy's Day parade for years and the world hasn't fallen apart. Get over yourself.
Quote from: Sidney on September 05, 2014, 10:13:08 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on September 05, 2014, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 05, 2014, 09:25:54 PM
Are gay Irish people not allowed to celebrate St Paddys as well? ::)
Of course they are but why the need to segregate yourself out by sexual orientation?
Isn't that what the pride parades are for?
Policemen, Firemen, Army etc are all professions which have a history of irish people serving.
You have irish dancers, athletes of all sorts, musicians, artists etc who want to show off their irish heritage.
I'm not sure if I applied to march being a fat, boring, lazy slob who happens to have irish roots would get me a spot in the parade either... shouldn't it be about what you've done with your life rather just being born a certain way. I certainly don't expect special treatment because I think i'm special - or then go bitch to the courts to force them to let me in.
That's easy. The reason gay people still feel the need to organise pride marches is because of i) the long history of discrimination and prejudice against them, and because ii) that discrimination and prejudice still very much exists today.
In relation to ii), you only have to read back over own posts to know that.
I never said there shouldn't be pride marches. Of course there should be. Similarly I have no objection to gay people in a st patricks day parade. Why would there be?
I'm objecting to a parade of irishness being overtaken to suit a different agenda which has nothing to do with the topic. I dislike the fact that the st patricks day parade has been beaten into submission to suit that agenda and nearly ruined it financially into the bargain which would have stopped the celebration for everyone.
They in the end had to bow down to pressure from corporations because it wasn't "politically correct" and to save it's existence.
That's selfish and manpulative in my book
Eamonn - get over nothing.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 05, 2014, 09:25:54 PM
Are gay Iriy hat eople not allowed to celebrate St Paddys as well? ::)
Why do these people have to bring their homosexuality to an irish parade?
Can gay irish people not simply celebrate st Patrick's day like the heterosexuals do? Or is that too much to ask?
Quote from: foxcommander on September 05, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 05, 2014, 05:58:31 PM
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gaelic-football-pundit-defends-decision-to-bring-catholic-school-students-to-gay-pride-parade-30564960.html
Not sure if it's an appropriate place to bring schoolkids (Still preferable to Orangefest mind you)
Similarly - I see the PC brigade in New York have forced through their wishes on the St Patrick's day parade.
I thought it was supposed to be a celebration of Irishness...I guess Guinness dictate otherwise they'll pull funding.
The Simpsons will need to change one of their episodes now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mKEyK11GRU
Why would it not be an appropriate place to bring school kids to?
Quote from: Nigel White on September 06, 2014, 05:06:46 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on September 05, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 05, 2014, 05:58:31 PM
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gaelic-football-pundit-defends-decision-to-bring-catholic-school-students-to-gay-pride-parade-30564960.html
Not sure if it's an appropriate place to bring schoolkids (Still preferable to Orangefest mind you)
Similarly - I see the PC brigade in New York have forced through their wishes on the St Patrick's day parade.
I thought it was supposed to be a celebration of Irishness...I guess Guinness dictate otherwise they'll pull funding.
The Simpsons will need to change one of their episodes now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mKEyK11GRU
Why would it not be an appropriate place to bring school kids to?
Exposure to certain things that might be a little advanced for them perhaps?
I've watched on the sidelines at a couple of parades and the content is sometimes a little too much for minors.
Celebrating your beliefs and lifestyle choices is one thing but doing it in a responsible way is another.
I am gonna organise a pride to celebrate how I love riding women
Quote from: foxcommander on September 06, 2014, 06:52:27 AM
Quote from: Nigel White on September 06, 2014, 05:06:46 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on September 05, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 05, 2014, 05:58:31 PM
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gaelic-football-pundit-defends-decision-to-bring-catholic-school-students-to-gay-pride-parade-30564960.html
Not sure if it's an appropriate place to bring schoolkids (Still preferable to Orangefest mind you)
Similarly - I see the PC brigade in New York have forced through their wishes on the St Patrick's day parade.
I thought it was supposed to be a celebration of Irishness...I guess Guinness dictate otherwise they'll pull funding.
The Simpsons will need to change one of their episodes now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mKEyK11GRU
Why would it not be an appropriate place to bring school kids to?
Exposure to certain things that might be a little advanced for them perhaps?
I've watched on the sidelines at a couple of parades and the content is sometimes a little too much for minors.
Celebrating your beliefs and lifestyle choices is one thing but doing it in a responsible way is another.
I know what you mean, but the Newry event seems, from the press coverage anyway, to have been a family friendly event
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 06, 2014, 07:57:34 AM
I am gonna organise a pride to celebrate how I love riding women
We'll have a parade if you ever succeed in riding one.
(You asked for that ;))
I see that old cliche so beloved of people with reactionary right-wing views, "the PC brigade" has been used here.
Generally you'll find that something that's classed as "politically correct", is usually just correct. Political correctness is, in general, good thing.
I'm delighted to class myself as a member of this "PC brigade."
Quote from: BennyCake on September 06, 2014, 12:15:57 AM
Why do gays have their own march? Surely that's discrimination against straight people?
It would only be discrimination if they prohibited you from marching.
Did they?
Quote from: muppet on September 06, 2014, 10:58:55 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 06, 2014, 12:15:57 AM
Why do gays have their own march? Surely that's discrimination against straight people?
It would only be discrimination if they prohibited you from marching.
Did they?
Marching under a certain banner you mean. That is the big difference...individuals aren't being excluded.
So if the NRA wanted to march in a pride parade do you think they would be allowed. Or a Satanist club.
or in the USA the republican party using these parades to hand out leaflets of how much they dislike the democrats.
Seriously doubt it.
Quote from: muppet on September 06, 2014, 10:58:55 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 06, 2014, 12:15:57 AM
Why do gays have their own march? Surely that's discrimination against straight people?
It would only be discrimination if they prohibited you from marching.
Did they?
Well, have a straight pride march, and see what the gays have to say.
Why should Gay Irish people not identify in that way? Sure other groups do so on one basis or another. If there wasn't so much ingrained homophobia in society then there wouldn't be the need for Pride Parades.
Is it just me or has this thread gone off on a bit of a tangent???
Quote from: Keyser soze on September 08, 2014, 10:19:45 AM
Is it just me or has this thread gone off on a bit of a tangent???
Welcome to the Internet.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 06, 2014, 01:11:37 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on September 05, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 05, 2014, 05:58:31 PM
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gaelic-football-pundit-defends-decision-to-bring-catholic-school-students-to-gay-pride-parade-30564960.html
Not sure if it's an appropriate place to bring schoolkids (Still preferable to Orangefest mind you)
Similarly - I see the PC brigade in New York have forced through their wishes on the St Patrick's day parade.
I thought it was supposed to be a celebration of Irishness...I guess Guinness dictate otherwise they'll pull funding.
The Simpsons will need to change one of their episodes now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mKEyK11GRU
Gays have been taking part in the San Francisco St Paddy's Day parade for years and the world hasn't fallen apart. Get over yourself.
Quote from: stew on September 06, 2014, 04:33:08 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 05, 2014, 09:25:54 PM
Are gay Iriy hat eople not allowed to celebrate St Paddys as well? ::)
Why do these people have to bring their homosexuality to an irish parade?
Can gay irish people not simply celebrate st Patrick's day like the heterosexuals do? Or is that too much to ask?
Eventually they will. Eventually no one will give a second thought to gay people in the parade.
In the meantime, prejudice has to be faced down. It's not a Catholic parade.
They've been in the one in Woodside, Queens for several years now, and the sky hasn't fallen.
Quote from: Keyser soze on September 08, 2014, 10:19:45 AM
Is it just me or has this thread gone off on a bit of a tangent???
Are you mixing up Jarlath with John Maughan?