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Title: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2026, 11:20:23 AM
Does anyone else think its ridiculous that Cavan, Down and Westmeath don't know which championship they will be playing in in 2 or 3 weeks time.

Should it be changed that this years leagues and provincial championships determine what championship you will be in year after instead of this year.

This way you know what championship you will be playing in pre-season of that year and can plan accordingly.
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: EoinW on April 28, 2026, 11:29:44 AM
It is providing extra motivation for Down and Westmeath.  Both provincial championships have benefited.

What about the counties now on the sideline, which could be bounced if either reach a provincial final?  That's the hard part.  Is Cavan the only one on the "bubble"?
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: Armagh18 on April 28, 2026, 11:30:10 AM
It's not ideal but I think it's better than using results from the year before, I think results from this year are a fairer reflection of where say Down are vs last years league results. It's all Kildares fault for being so shite in the league :D
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: JWF54 on April 28, 2026, 01:43:43 PM
I've heard that the draw for the round 1 games will be made this weekend once the 8 provisional finalists are known. Can anyone clarify if this is correct.
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: Armagh18 on April 28, 2026, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: JWF54 on April 28, 2026, 01:43:43 PMI've heard that the draw for the round 1 games will be made this weekend once the 8 provisional finalists are known. Can anyone clarify if this is correct.
Makes sense. Wasn't it meant to be yesterday before Down upset the applecart
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2026, 03:28:48 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 28, 2026, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: JWF54 on April 28, 2026, 01:43:43 PMI've heard that the draw for the round 1 games will be made this weekend once the 8 provisional finalists are known. Can anyone clarify if this is correct.
Makes sense. Wasn't it meant to be yesterday before Down upset the applecart

The draw was made already lads ?
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: p3427977 on April 28, 2026, 03:29:55 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2026, 03:28:48 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 28, 2026, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: JWF54 on April 28, 2026, 01:43:43 PMI've heard that the draw for the round 1 games will be made this weekend once the 8 provisional finalists are known. Can anyone clarify if this is correct.
Makes sense. Wasn't it meant to be yesterday before Down upset the applecart

The draw was made already lads ?
Yeah yesterday  ;D
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: JWF54 on April 28, 2026, 03:57:11 PM
Quote from: p3427977 on April 28, 2026, 03:29:55 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2026, 03:28:48 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 28, 2026, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: JWF54 on April 28, 2026, 01:43:43 PMI've heard that the draw for the round 1 games will be made this weekend once the 8 provisional finalists are known. Can anyone clarify if this is correct.
Makes sense. Wasn't it meant to be yesterday before Down upset the applecart

The draw was made already lads ?
Yeah yesterday  ;D

Sorry folks I was talking about the All Ireland series not the Tailteann Cup, apologies.
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: Armagh18 on April 29, 2026, 08:49:41 PM
Luke Loughlin out for the year. Good boost for Kildare/Down
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: The Boy Wonder on April 29, 2026, 10:24:31 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2026, 08:49:41 PMLuke Loughlin out for the year. Good boost for Kildare/Down

That's a pity - a top notch forward.
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: moonster on April 29, 2026, 10:42:11 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2026, 08:49:41 PMLuke Loughlin out for the year. Good boost for Kildare/Down

Westmeath well struggle in Tailteann without him. A massive loss.
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: mrdeeds on April 29, 2026, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 29, 2026, 08:49:41 PMLuke Loughlin out for the year. Good boost for Kildare/Down

And Cavan
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: JoG2 on April 29, 2026, 10:58:32 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2026, 11:20:23 AMDoes anyone else think its ridiculous that Cavan, Down and Westmeath don't know which championship they will be playing in in 2 or 3 weeks time.

Should it be changed that this years leagues and provincial championships determine what championship you will be in year after instead of this year.

This way you know what championship you will be playing in pre-season of that year and can plan accordingly.

First part , if you're plying your trade in Div 3 or near the bottom of Div 2 (with the TC winner the year before having a place in the AI) these counties will know the permutations

The 2nd part, do you plan differently for TC or the AI? If anything and Down showed this at the weekend where you've a foot in both camps so to speak, you'll push even harder?

It adds some extra excitement and jeopardy
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: mrdeeds on April 29, 2026, 11:10:11 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 29, 2026, 10:58:32 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2026, 11:20:23 AMDoes anyone else think its ridiculous that Cavan, Down and Westmeath don't know which championship they will be playing in in 2 or 3 weeks time.

Should it be changed that this years leagues and provincial championships determine what championship you will be in year after instead of this year.

This way you know what championship you will be playing in pre-season of that year and can plan accordingly.

First part , if you're plying your trade in Div 3 or near the bottom of Div 2 (with the TC winner the year before having a place in the AI) these counties will know the permutations

The 2nd part, do you plan differently for TC or the AI? If anything and Down showed this at the weekend where you've a foot in both camps so to speak, you'll push even harder?

It adds some extra excitement and jeopardy

Having the system in a few years now and teams have had a chance to go up or down in league is there an argument that maybe league and championship should be seperated? So relegation play off in championship and Tailteann winner goes up like club championships.
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: The Boy Wonder on April 29, 2026, 11:23:44 PM
The link between the Provincial Championships and the All-Ireland Championship creates an unlevel playing field.
Rewarding provincial finalists with a place in Sam Maguire competition takes no account of provincial imbalance.

Connacht and Munster counties can qualify for Provincial Final by winning one game.
This one game can involve a Division 1 team defeating a Division 4 team.
In contrast Leinster and Ulster counties may need to win 3 games to qualify for their Provincial Final.

Provincial Championships should be stand alone competitions.
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: mrdeeds on April 29, 2026, 11:29:36 PM
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on April 29, 2026, 11:23:44 PMThe link between the Provincial Championships and the All-Ireland Championship creates an unlevel playing field.
Rewarding provincial finalists with a place in Sam Maguire competition takes no account of provincial imbalance.

Connacht and Munster counties can qualify for Provincial Final by winning one game.
This one game can involve a Division 1 team defeating a Division 4 team.
In contrast Leinster and Ulster counties may need to win 3 games to qualify for their Provincial Final.

Provincial Championships should be stand alone competitions.

Yeah provincial championships should replace preseason competition.
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: Armagh18 on April 30, 2026, 06:07:36 AM
No way should we be trying to devalue the provincial championships any- Ulster is great obviously, Leinster is finally worth watching now that Dublin are back in the back theres probably 5 teams who think they can win it and a few more who'll fancy taking a scalp.

Connacht would be great if Mayo would buck themselves up, final should be a cracker. Munster final should be brilliant
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: Rossfan on April 30, 2026, 08:43:47 AM
Only the 4 Provincial CHAMPIONS should be seeded with the 4 highest NFL teams.
Or possibly add the TC winners and top 3 NFL.
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: cavanmaniac on May 01, 2026, 11:09:04 AM
Provincial championships were initially a format designed around geography, for a different era, but now that things have moved on, have an imbalancing effect on the national competition. The geographic rationale no longer exists but has been replaced by a much more powerful force - the self-preservation instincts and power base of local career politicians who won't countenance having their status diluted or their fiefdom diminished. That's going to be a hard nut to crack. It's evident that the provincial championships should be run separately at a different time of year, or their outsize weighting and impact on the knockout stages severely curtailed, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: EoinW on May 01, 2026, 11:50:55 AM
Quote from: cavanmaniac on May 01, 2026, 11:09:04 AMProvincial championships were initially a format designed around geography, for a different era, but now that things have moved on, have an imbalancing effect on the national competition. The geographic rationale no longer exists but has been replaced by a much more powerful force - the self-preservation instincts and power base of local career politicians who won't countenance having their status diluted or their fiefdom diminished. That's going to be a hard nut to crack. It's evident that the provincial championships should be run separately at a different time of year, or their outsize weighting and impact on the knockout stages severely curtailed, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Hold your horses on that thought.  The war against Iran is not done, plus we've yet to feel the economic effects from the damage already done.  At what price of petro does geography matter again?
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: cavanmaniac on May 01, 2026, 01:04:34 PM
Back to the ass and cart!
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: moonster on May 03, 2026, 05:10:08 PM
Down Tailteann cup winners incoming
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: Lazer on May 04, 2026, 01:41:38 AM
Quote from: moonster on May 03, 2026, 05:10:08 PMDown Tailteann cup winners incoming

I dont see it..they will be so disheartened after today that i see them losing an "easy" match and going out of the Tailteann early
Title: Re: Tailteann Cup / Sam Maguire Permuations
Post by: Armagh18 on May 04, 2026, 08:22:56 AM
I'd say Down players are getting phone calls from America at the minute.