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Title: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: RedHand88 on February 19, 2026, 11:03:30 AM
Figured this probably needs it's own thread if it's a news story that's going to run on and on.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c70kjr9wjw0t (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c70kjr9wjw0t)
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: lurganblue on February 19, 2026, 11:06:26 AM
There a bit of an Al Capone job going on is there?  Cant get you for your paedophilia, so misconduct in public office might do...
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: playwiththewind1st on February 19, 2026, 11:11:27 AM
Good to see that we have completely left all past enmities firmly behind us & we can now have a thread on GAAboard entirely devoted to an ex Royal / no sweat English toff lol.

Who's kicking off the "Free The Sandringham One" campaign?
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: AustinPowers on February 19, 2026, 11:21:44 AM
All a charade.

It's all  for the authorities  to be  seen to be doing something. He'll be released without charge , and that will "conclude our investigation ".

Nothing to see  here. Move along please.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: armaghniac on February 19, 2026, 11:34:17 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 19, 2026, 11:06:26 AMThere a bit of an Al Capone job going on is there?  Cant get your for your paedophilia, so misconduct in public office might do...

Presumably most of the evidence here is in England rather than the US and is more black and white case, if he give Epstein access to things covered by Official Secrets then that is it, as far as I am aware the women involved were not under 16 but there were issues of coercion that are harder to prove.

Quote from: AustinPowers on February 19, 2026, 11:21:44 AMAll a charade.

It's all  for the authorities  to be  seen to be doing something. He'll be released without charge , and that will "conclude our investigation ".

Nothing to see  here. Move along please.

Perhaps. But there are others like Mandelson with similar allegations.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: Orior on February 19, 2026, 01:22:18 PM
GB News worried and randy Andy's mental health
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: RedHand88 on February 19, 2026, 02:01:29 PM
Quote from: Orior on February 19, 2026, 01:22:18 PMGB News worried and randy Andy's mental health

Royal historian on BBC news over lunchtime was questioned on Andy being bankrolled by the king and if it's appropriate.

"but the king must bankroll him, otherwise he may associate with more unsavoury characters"
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: RedHand88 on February 19, 2026, 02:03:02 PM
If it does turn out to be a breach of the Official Secrets act, what sort of jail term would we be talking?
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: playwiththewind1st on February 19, 2026, 02:08:27 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 19, 2026, 02:03:02 PMIf it does turn out to be a breach of the Official Secrets act, what sort of jail term would we be talking?

A couple of hours' community service, at worst.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: johnnycool on February 19, 2026, 02:15:03 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 19, 2026, 02:01:29 PM
Quote from: Orior on February 19, 2026, 01:22:18 PMGB News worried and randy Andy's mental health

Royal historian on BBC news over lunchtime was questioned on Andy being bankrolled by the king and if it's appropriate.

"but the king must bankroll him, otherwise he may associate with more unsavoury characters"

My god, I watched a bit of that. She was some arsehóle.

He may be living on the streets I think she also said, no, he should be in jail.

It also turns out the peelers are getting a lot of information from Gordon Brown who knew he was leaking information 20 odd years ago.

Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: playwiththewind1st on February 19, 2026, 02:18:08 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 19, 2026, 02:01:29 PM
Quote from: Orior on February 19, 2026, 01:22:18 PMGB News worried and randy Andy's mental health

Royal historian on BBC news over lunchtime was questioned on Andy being bankrolled by the king and if it's appropriate.

"but the king must bankroll him, otherwise he may associate with more unsavoury characters"

So, can we take it that the £15,000,000 he got in 2007 for his house off a shifty Kazakh guy is long gone?

These so-called Royal correspondents, historians and commentators are the lowest lifeforms, peddling the same ould fabricated shite for a living.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: lurganblue on February 19, 2026, 02:18:20 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 19, 2026, 02:03:02 PMIf it does turn out to be a breach of the Official Secrets act, what sort of jail term would we be talking?

Treason surely.

The Tyburn Jig
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: Aaron Boone on February 19, 2026, 02:21:34 PM
It's times like the loyal subjects require the guidance and the leadership of the King.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: playwiththewind1st on February 19, 2026, 02:26:34 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 19, 2026, 02:21:34 PMIt's times like the loyal subjects require the guidance and the leadership of the King.

"Meanwhile, my family and I will continue in our duty and service to you all. That especially goes for all you young, pretty, nubile, attractive young fillies out there".

Yours sincerely,

Charles R - king, head of the Church of England, extramarital affair expert, Knight of the garter, Knight of the round table, Grand Wizard of Windsor.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2026, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on February 19, 2026, 02:08:27 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 19, 2026, 02:03:02 PMIf it does turn out to be a breach of the Official Secrets act, what sort of jail term would we be talking?

A couple of hours' community service, at worst.
Not sure. I think he is being hung out to dry here.

If Andrew gets lifted for state secrets, surely Mandleson has to be too?
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: AustinPowers on February 19, 2026, 02:52:48 PM
Quote
QuoteIt's times like the loyal subjects require the guidance and the leadership of the King.

"Meanwhile, my family and I will continue in our duty and service to you all. That especially goes for all you young, pretty, nubile, attractive young fillies out there".

Yours sincerely,

Charles R - king, head of the Church of England, extramarital affair expert, Knight of the garter, Knight of the round table, Grand Wizard of Windsor.
That's a grand title , to be fair
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: johnnycool on February 19, 2026, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on February 19, 2026, 02:52:48 PM
Quote
QuoteIt's times like the loyal subjects require the guidance and the leadership of the King.

"Meanwhile, my family and I will continue in our duty and service to you all. That especially goes for all you young, pretty, nubile, attractive young fillies out there".

Yours sincerely,

Charles R - king, head of the Church of England, extramarital affair expert, Knight of the garter, Knight of the round table, Grand Wizard of Windsor.
That's a grand title , to be fair

Forgot the wannabe tampon part.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: armaghniac on February 19, 2026, 03:01:42 PM
https://x.com/craigyjones17/status/2024429607173112121

Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: playwiththewind1st on February 19, 2026, 03:05:52 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 19, 2026, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on February 19, 2026, 02:52:48 PM
Quote
QuoteIt's times like the loyal subjects require the guidance and the leadership of the King.

"Meanwhile, my family and I will continue in our duty and service to you all. That especially goes for all you young, pretty, nubile, attractive young fillies out there".

Yours sincerely,

Charles R - king, head of the Church of England, extramarital affair expert, Knight of the garter, Knight of the round table, Grand Wizard of Windsor.
That's a grand title , to be fair

Forgot the wannabe tampon part.

I am having flashbacks here. Way too gross!!!

The English aristocracy are a very strange people; I put it down to the nonsense that goes on after lights out, in their public schools. They're abandoned as boarders for years on end, while Mummy & Daddy take off, to run India or Africa.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: Dunsilly King on February 19, 2026, 03:39:43 PM
Red hand you have fallen into one of the traps being deliberately developed to create the image space between him and 'The Royal Family'in the title of the thread.

He is PRINCE ANDREW, that is how he has been known and needs to remain so association to the 'Royals' remains
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: playwiththewind1st on February 19, 2026, 03:48:44 PM
Quote from: Dunsilly King on February 19, 2026, 03:39:43 PMRed hand you have fallen into one of the traps being deliberately developed to create the image space between him and 'The Royal Family'in the title of the thread.

He is PRINCE ANDREW, that is how he has been known and needs to remain so association to the 'Royals' remains

Touch of 1917 all over again, when they stopped  calling themselves the Royal Teutonic & Germanic House of Hun, or whatever it was & adopted the "Windsor" name, just in case they were all put up against a wall, like the Romanovs.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: DaleCooper on February 19, 2026, 04:50:27 PM
Reports circulating that Prince of Darkness Mandelson manifested his presence beside Prince Andrew as the police sirens became audible.


As he placed a friendly hand on Prince Andrews shoulder , he whispered into his ear "they expect one of us in the wreckage, brother".

The he dematerialised into a dark cloud and vanished.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 19, 2026, 05:57:11 PM
You'd presume this was pre-arranged with the peelers in England and will be used to take the heat out of the American authorities chasing him. He can't possibly do time. They'll agree that security risk is too high.

Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2026, 06:26:14 PM
I'm quite bemused by his demotion.

He is a prince because god gave his family magic blood. Ability, personality and moral fibre have nothing to do with it. If his blood became less magic and he lost his princeness, are we not on a slippy slope? If merit enters the equation surely the whole concept unravels?
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 19, 2026, 06:37:20 PM
Oh,he can always do time, but most of the most evidence seems to be in America
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2026, 07:33:58 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 19, 2026, 06:37:20 PMOh,he can always do time, but most of the most evidence seems to be in America
That's the sexy stuff. He was arrested for giving Epstein state secrets
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: RedHand88 on February 19, 2026, 08:50:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2026, 07:33:58 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 19, 2026, 06:37:20 PMOh,he can always do time, but most of the most evidence seems to be in America
That's the sexy stuff. He was arrested for giving Epstein state secrets

Which probably results in a far worse outcome for him if found guilty.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2026, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 19, 2026, 08:50:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2026, 07:33:58 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 19, 2026, 06:37:20 PMOh,he can always do time, but most of the most evidence seems to be in America
That's the sexy stuff. He was arrested for giving Epstein state secrets

Which probably results in a far worse outcome for him if found guilty.
Far easier to prove.

He banged women he met through a friend. He never paid for sex. He had no way of knowing their ages. How could he have known they were trafficked?
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: seafoid on February 19, 2026, 09:12:44 PM
His popularity level is 3%
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: Armagh18 on February 19, 2026, 09:24:17 PM
Released
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: AustinPowers on February 19, 2026, 09:57:47 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 19, 2026, 09:24:17 PMReleased

Just like Epstein  8)
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 20, 2026, 10:01:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2026, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on February 19, 2026, 02:08:27 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 19, 2026, 02:03:02 PMIf it does turn out to be a breach of the Official Secrets act, what sort of jail term would we be talking?

A couple of hours' community service, at worst.
Not sure. I think he is being hung out to dry here.

If Andrew gets lifted for state secrets, surely Mandleson has to be too?

Charlie stripped him of his titles and banished him to the small palace in the corner. Seems like he knew this was coming. The big question now becomes, did Charles stump up £2 million for Andrew's hush money to Virginia Giuffre? If yes, the PM might have to pay a visit to the palace and demand the King's abdication.

British Republicans are salivating now.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: paddyjohn on February 20, 2026, 10:03:37 PM
He'll end up like Diana. Tragic accident
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: playwiththewind1st on February 20, 2026, 10:36:32 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on February 20, 2026, 10:03:37 PMHe'll end up like Diana. Tragic accident

They don't have Phil the Greek to give the old brake pipes a once over for the MOT these days.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: DaleCooper on February 21, 2026, 12:37:00 AM
Boating trip in Sligo maybe to get away from it all...
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: Orior on February 21, 2026, 09:18:09 AM
Will he get Fergie time in jail?
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: playwiththewind1st on February 21, 2026, 12:28:27 PM
Quote from: Orior on February 21, 2026, 09:18:09 AMWill he get Fergie time in jail?

She's another one. She should be interviewed by the cops too.

A totally vacuous bimbo, who thought that she was marrying well & boarding the Kazakh gravy train, for life. Her self-pitying whining to Epstein was truly nauseating.

The  words of Windsor Davies spring to mind, in relation to her downfall - "Oh dear. How sad. Never mind".
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: johnnycool on February 23, 2026, 09:59:31 AM
Channel 4 are rushing into production a new edition of Benefit Streeting featuring Royal Lodge and Windsor estate.

Grifters, the lot of them.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: seafoid on February 23, 2026, 10:03:23 AM
https://x.com/fattyfallon/status/2025219466812969325
Andrew has a "mental health" issue all right... he's got narcissistic sex-criminal greedy **** syndrome

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2026/02/13/andrew-leaked-confidential-treasury-briefing-banker-iceland/

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor forwarded a confidential Treasury briefing to a banker friend while he was trade envoy, The Telegraph can reveal.
The former prince tasked Amanda Thirsk, his deputy private secretary, with obtaining an internal government memo in February 2010 about the Icelandic financial crisis.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: playwiththewind1st on February 23, 2026, 10:54:00 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 23, 2026, 09:59:31 AMChannel 4 are rushing into production a new edition of Benefit Streeting featuring Royal Lodge and Windsor estate.

Grifters, the lot of them.

grifter
/ˈɡrɪftə/
nouninformal•North American English
a person who engages in petty or small-scale swindling.

This is getting to be more like industrial scale swindling, in which all the various arms of the British establishment conspire together, to ensure that they can all quickly fill their boots to the max, with as little effort as possible. There's little or nothing by way of morality, standards, scruples or probity remaining within the upper tiers of British society, not that there ever was that much, to begin with.

Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: imtommygunn on February 23, 2026, 11:00:44 AM
Sadly it's a bit more than Britain that is impacted by this. Nothing but grifters as public figures throughout the world.

Britain probably about to be impacted big time by it though if Farage gets in.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: AustinPowers on February 23, 2026, 12:46:12 PM
Quote
QuoteChannel 4 are rushing into production a new edition of Benefit Streeting featuring Royal Lodge and Windsor estate.

Grifters, the lot of them.

grifter
/ˈɡrɪftə/
nouninformal•North American English
a person who engages in petty or small-scale swindling.

This is getting to be more like industrial scale swindling, in which all the various arms of the British establishment conspire together, to ensure that they can all quickly fill their boots to the max, with as little effort as possible. There's little or nothing by way of morality, standards, scruples or probity remaining within the upper tiers of British society, not that there ever was that much, to begin with.
"The big club"
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: DaleCooper on February 23, 2026, 05:18:27 PM
Mandy arrested by plain clothes police at his London home.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: imtommygunn on February 23, 2026, 05:49:41 PM
the brits are going in hard on this one... hopefully the yanks will do the same at some stage very soon.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: Armagh18 on February 23, 2026, 06:04:49 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 23, 2026, 05:49:41 PMthe brits are going in hard on this one... hopefully the yanks will do the same at some stage very soon.
0 chance.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: RedHand88 on February 23, 2026, 06:17:50 PM
Quote from: DaleCooper on February 23, 2026, 05:18:27 PMMandy arrested by plain clothes police at his London home.

Jaysus. We are living through history now.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: playwiththewind1st on February 23, 2026, 06:40:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 23, 2026, 05:49:41 PMthe brits are going in hard on this one.

Must be something even worse going on in the background, that they're trying to divert attention away from.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2026, 07:02:52 PM
Whatever takes the spotlight off Andy got a few days!
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: AustinPowers on February 23, 2026, 07:21:01 PM
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on February 23, 2026, 06:40:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 23, 2026, 05:49:41 PMthe brits are going in hard on this one.

Must be something even worse going on in the background, that they're trying to divert attention away from.

Not another  MLA pay rise, surely?
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: playwiththewind1st on February 23, 2026, 07:50:14 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on February 23, 2026, 07:21:01 PM
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on February 23, 2026, 06:40:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 23, 2026, 05:49:41 PMthe brits are going in hard on this one.

Must be something even worse going on in the background, that they're trying to divert attention away from.

Not another  MLA pay rise, surely?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg801z292yo

And now it's time for the let's define a "massive" payrise round.

That quote certainly looked insightful, a year later.

Or, maybe 14 grand is feck all squared over 2. Even Mandelson looked for 25 grand, every time.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 24, 2026, 07:21:21 AM
67 grand without and entry level qualification required is good dough all the same, and just because you don't require it doesn't mean they should get on like it.

Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: playwiththewind1st on February 24, 2026, 02:43:31 PM
Andrew 'rude, arrogant and entitled', minister says as government backs release of trade role files.

My goodness, who would have thought it?

Mind you, he was obviously regarded as being a top class chap, a fine fellow & a jolly good egg back in 2001, when he was appointed.

Is there any chance that Blair might be trotted out, to explain why exactly it was that his, sorry Mandelson's, government oversaw & went along with all of this, in the first place?
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: DaleCooper on February 24, 2026, 09:35:51 PM
You can buy the book

Pray there is bodycam arrest footage

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Entitled-bestselling-devastating-biography-written/dp/0008775451
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: seafoid on February 25, 2026, 11:20:33 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2026/02/25/andrew-mountbatten-windsor-banned-from-riding-horses/

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has been ordered to stop going riding, it has been reported.

Royal aides warned the former Duke of York not to be seen on horseback, fearing it would be a "bad look" for him to be enjoying himself while under police investigation, according to The Sun newspaper.

Mr Mountbatten-Windsor was arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office and questioned for almost 12 hours amid accusations he shared confidential information with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein. He is the first member of the Royal family in modern history to be detained.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: Armagh18 on February 25, 2026, 11:21:42 AM
Well if only he'd been banned from that years ago he mightn't be in this mess..
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: DaleCooper on February 25, 2026, 01:18:31 PM
Lindsay Hoyle [commons speaker] told the Met that Mandy was a flight risk based on information he received.

The reports he may flee to Israel may have been accurate. Should have let him to be honest, to really display the treachery involved as Israel would refuse to hand him back.

* british virgin islands was were he was supposedly going
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: bennydorano on February 25, 2026, 04:42:34 PM
It was a punishment 'Perp walk', nothing more.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: Point_taken on February 25, 2026, 06:03:31 PM
His cowering in the back of that car says all you need to know about the bastard.

He won't get done. Neither will any of them. The politics of today have turned sleeze and scandal into just a bit of bad news.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: playwiththewind1st on February 25, 2026, 06:59:30 PM
Quite right too. If we were to start sending members of the gentry, nobility & even royalty to gaol, willy nilly, then where is it all going to end?
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: Orior on February 26, 2026, 12:42:49 PM
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on February 25, 2026, 06:59:30 PMQuite right too. If we were to start sending members of the gentry, nobility & even royalty to gaol, willy nilly, then where is it all going to end?

French revolution.
Title: Re: Andrew Albert Christian Edward Mountbatten-Windsor
Post by: playwiththewind1st on February 26, 2026, 01:14:13 PM
Zhou Enlai was asked about the impact of the French Revolution and he famously replied, "It is too soon to say."