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Had to select  'some retained'  even though I'm only really in favour of one  new rule

Quote from: AustinPowers on July 29, 2025, 10:34:27 PMThought it would be  a more detailed poll

Had to select  'some retained'  even though I'm only really in favour of one  new rule

Put up your own detailed one

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2025, 11:08:21 PM

Quote from: AustinPowers on July 29, 2025, 10:34:27 PMThought it would be  a more detailed poll

Had to select  'some retained'  even though I'm only really in favour of one  new rule

Put up your own detailed one

I wouldn't want to undermine rossfan's good work .

Thinking about it now though , it's actually difficult to have a really detailed single poll . You'd have to have two or more   separate polls , and sure who could be  bothered with that

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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2025, 11:08:21 PM

Quote from: AustinPowers on July 29, 2025, 10:34:27 PMThought it would be  a more detailed poll

Had to select  'some retained'  even though I'm only really in favour of one  new rule

Put up your own detailed one

I wouldn't want to undermine rossfan's good work .

Thinking about it now though , it's actually difficult to have a really detailed single poll . You'd have to have two or more   separate polls , and sure who could be  bothered with that

Bothered enough to complain about someone that was bothered enough to do it  ;)

Just vote away folks.

Only 8% want to go back to pre FRC football.

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QuoteThought it would be  a more detailed poll

Had to select  'some retained'  even though I'm only really in favour of one  new rule

Put up your own detailed one

I wouldn't want to undermine rossfan's good work .

Thinking about it now though , it's actually difficult to have a really detailed single poll . You'd have to have two or more  separate polls , and sure who could be  bothered with that

Bothered enough to complain about someone that was bothered enough to do it  ;)

I wasn't. Sure didn't I  praise his good work ;)

Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2025, 12:15:47 PMJust vote away folks.

Only 8% want to go back to pre FRC football.

And only 6 from 33 want  all the rules keeping

As I said, I favour keeping 1 rule. Others might favour all but 1, but both are  ticking  the same box. So the results arent  really clear cut

Voting pretty clear cut so far.

I've warmed to the rules although if it was a straightforward vote I'd ditch them but I can see why people like them. I don't think they have improved the sport at all simply shifted the focus of which skills are prioritised. Again some may like to see for example high fielding prioritised over good defending. My preference is to see good football being appropriately rewarded and I don't think the rules do that.

I also find that they annoy me a lot less when I'm watching on TV than when I'm at a match.

That said I don't think a season is a fair barometer.  I also think it's obvious that they are here to stay in some form or other.

The only big concern I have now is how it's determined what to keep and what to ditch. I don't think we know enough about the impact each rule change has in isolation. We've only really seen how they work together.

My concern given that whatever is decided upon at the end of the year has to be kept for 4 more years is that if we don't keep everything then there may be unintended consequences. For example would removing the 2 point arc impact of the 3 v 3 rule.

Would a return to 4 point goals see teams eschew point scoring opportunities because the relative value of a point would be further downgraded?  Who knows?

So whilst I'd like them removed I'm not vehemently opposed to them being kept. I just hope if they are kept then they are kept en bloc so that we don't do something we regret.

Quote from: AustinPowers on July 29, 2025, 10:34:27 PMThought it would be  a more detailed poll

Had to select  'some retained'  even though I'm only really in favour of one  new rule

You've spoken my thoughts more or less exactly. That's why I voted 'Some Retained'.

For me, I'd keep the tap and go, and ensure that backchat to the ref has a significant punishment, and then dispense with the rest.

Personal view only, but the changes have hugely benefitted the teams with the best forwards and punished those who rely on good defence. That to my mind corrupts the order of merit. Kerry may well have won this year's All Ireland anyway, but I don't think it is any coincidence that they did so in an absolute canter.

We played Antrim in the opening round of the Ulster Championship, and off the top of my head, won 1-35 to 1-24. The emphasis on the two point scores is now likely to increase pressure to have four point goals, and before you know it, teams will be regularly scoring 40 points plus. Many will argue, 'so what?', but for me, that's not Gaelic Football.

Like I said - a personal opinion only.   

Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 31, 2025, 09:15:24 AM

Quote from: AustinPowers on July 29, 2025, 10:34:27 PMThought it would be  a more detailed poll

Had to select  'some retained'  even though I'm only really in favour of one  new rule

You've spoken my thoughts more or less exactly. That's why I voted 'Some Retained'.

For me, I'd keep the tap and go, and ensure that backchat to the ref has a significant punishment, and then dispense with the rest.

Personal view only, but the changes have hugely benefitted the teams with the best forwards and punished those who rely on good defence. That to my mind corrupts the order of merit. Kerry may well have won this year's All Ireland anyway, but I don't think it is any coincidence that they did so in an absolute canter.

We played Antrim in the opening round of the Ulster Championship, and off the top of my head, won 1-35 to 1-24. The emphasis on the two point scores is now likely to increase pressure to have four point goals, and before you know it, teams will be regularly scoring 40 points plus. Many will argue, 'so what?', but for me, that's not Gaelic Football.

Like I said - a personal opinion only.   

I'm almost in the same camp.

I would keep the 3 up rule (impossible at club level) if they can do something about the application of the steps rule and sort out the tackle so that defenders can actually tackle.

Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 31, 2025, 09:15:24 AM

Quote from: AustinPowers on July 29, 2025, 10:34:27 PMThought it would be  a more detailed poll

Had to select  'some retained'  even though I'm only really in favour of one  new rule

You've spoken my thoughts more or less exactly. That's why I voted 'Some Retained'.

For me, I'd keep the tap and go, and ensure that backchat to the ref has a significant punishment, and then dispense with the rest.

Personal view only, but the changes have hugely benefitted the teams with the best forwards and punished those who rely on good defence. That to my mind corrupts the order of merit. Kerry may well have won this year's All Ireland anyway, but I don't think it is any coincidence that they did so in an absolute canter.

We played Antrim in the opening round of the Ulster Championship, and off the top of my head, won 1-35 to 1-24. The emphasis on the two point scores is now likely to increase pressure to have four point goals, and before you know it, teams will be regularly scoring 40 points plus. Many will argue, 'so what?', but for me, that's not Gaelic Football.

Like I said - a personal opinion only.   

I'm in the same camp Rufus.

None of the rest really do it for me, maybe no passing back to the keeper in own half I'd retain but other than that no thanks.

Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 31, 2025, 09:15:24 AM

Quote from: AustinPowers on July 29, 2025, 10:34:27 PMThought it would be  a more detailed poll

Had to select  'some retained'  even though I'm only really in favour of one  new rule

You've spoken my thoughts more or less exactly. That's why I voted 'Some Retained'.

For me, I'd keep the tap and go, and ensure that backchat to the ref has a significant punishment, and then dispense with the rest.

Personal view only, but the changes have hugely benefitted the teams with the best forwards and punished those who rely on good defence. That to my mind corrupts the order of merit. Kerry may well have won this year's All Ireland anyway, but I don't think it is any coincidence that they did so in an absolute canter.

We played Antrim in the opening round of the Ulster Championship, and off the top of my head, won 1-35 to 1-24. The emphasis on the two point scores is now likely to increase pressure to have four point goals, and before you know it, teams will be regularly scoring 40 points plus. Many will argue, 'so what?', but for me, that's not Gaelic Football.

Like I said - a personal opinion only.   

agree completely with the tap and go, backchat, but the bit in bold I just cannot get my head around. I want to see the best forwards play and be able to produce the goods and not spend most of the game sprinting back to help with a 14 man defence, then sprint forward to try and score, rinse and repeat. This nonsense has been turning skillful players away from the game, especially at county level for years. The fitness levels this required is ridiculous and not sustainable. At both club and county level, players can be rotated with 3 men up.
Kerry won because they had players who can put the thing over the bar, and when in position did. Donegal have players who can do this, but some reason chose to over egg it, and not go for 2 pointers when they have players who can ie far to risk averse and it bit them on the backside. The final was a damp squid because of how Donegal setup, not the new rules imo

Re defending, countys will have to coach / unearth new Tony Scullions and go man for man, as zonal doesn't work by itself.
The thought of going back to packed defences, crab football, the audible chat from the stands gives me the jitters tbh

I ditch the 2 points. If it's to be kept, from play only.

Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2025, 10:21:56 AMThe thought of going back to packed defences, crab football, the audible chat from the stands gives me the jitters tbh

I totally understand fellow Gaels have hugely differing thoughts and preferences on this from my own opinion, and I accept that they are likely to carry the day in this debate.

The one thing I would say, in reference to the bit I've kept from your post, is that last year, the great and the good came on to lambast the spectacle that was the 2024 All Ireland Final, and many referenced how the players calling to each other was clearly audible, in the context of what they seen as a poor contest on the pitch, which in turn was used to shout for the need for rule changes. And yet, the players were clearly audible talking to each other on Sunday, and there was plenty of lateral passing and holding the ball up, and there was little talk about it, albeit there was plenty of booing from the crowd.

Furthermore, we had the ridiculous spectacle of Kerry players soloing the ball back and forward, unimpeded, in front of the half way line, as three Donegal players watched on helplessly, only yards away, unable to intervene.

Maybe the new game is a much better spectacle, full of more scores and more exciting for many, but for me it's just not Gaelic Football. 

Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 31, 2025, 10:53:26 AM

Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2025, 10:21:56 AMThe thought of going back to packed defences, crab football, the audible chat from the stands gives me the jitters tbh

I totally understand fellow Gaels have hugely differing thoughts and preferences on this from my own opinion, and I accept that they are likely to carry the day in this debate.

The one thing I would say, in reference to the bit I've kept from your post, is that last year, the great and the good came on to lambast the spectacle that was the 2024 All Ireland Final, and many referenced how the players calling to each other was clearly audible, in the context of what they seen as a poor contest on the pitch, which in turn was used to shout for the need for rule changes. And yet, the players were clearly audible talking to each other on Sunday, and there was plenty of lateral passing and holding the ball up, and there was little talk about it, albeit there was plenty of booing from the crowd.

Furthermore, we had the ridiculous spectacle of Kerry players soloing the ball back and forward, unimpeded, in front of the half way line, as three Donegal players watched on helplessly, only yards away, unable to intervene.

Maybe the new game is a much better spectacle, full of more scores and more exciting for many, but for me it's just not Gaelic Football. 

I'm not sure what Gaelic Football is, the game goes through so many changes down the decades.
It wasn't a good final mainly because Donegal did not perform as expected. Taking the whole year I thought the game has been a huge improvement including at club level (in Tyrone anyway). What we had the last few years was the worst I've ever seen and that's going back a long time ... appaling.

I would keep some of the rules. Club football that I have watched has been much better as a whole. I have noticed as the stakes get a bit higher the game reverts back to more defensive football but it can be broken down more easily.
3 men up I'd keep
Handing the ball back can feck off - double punishment as it takes you out of the game. Set the ball down and get back.
Dissent rules are fine.
I'm split on the 2 pointers, the optics of pulling a free back over the arc looks weird and seems too heavy a punishment. From play I'm ok with it.
The kick out arc I thought would work but it's too easy to keep a team in now. No pass back to the keeper stops the slow build up enough I think.

Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 31, 2025, 10:53:26 AM

Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2025, 10:21:56 AMThe thought of going back to packed defences, crab football, the audible chat from the stands gives me the jitters tbh

I totally understand fellow Gaels have hugely differing thoughts and preferences on this from my own opinion, and I accept that they are likely to carry the day in this debate.

The one thing I would say, in reference to the bit I've kept from your post, is that last year, the great and the good came on to lambast the spectacle that was the 2024 All Ireland Final, and many referenced how the players calling to each other was clearly audible, in the context of what they seen as a poor contest on the pitch, which in turn was used to shout for the need for rule changes. And yet, the players were clearly audible talking to each other on Sunday, and there was plenty of lateral passing and holding the ball up, and there was little talk about it, albeit there was plenty of booing from the crowd.

Furthermore, we had the ridiculous spectacle of Kerry players soloing the ball back and forward, unimpeded, in front of the half way line, as three Donegal players watched on helplessly, only yards away, unable to intervene.

Maybe the new game is a much better spectacle, full of more scores and more exciting for many, but for me it's just not Gaelic Football. 

You've lost me here. Unable to intervene through instruction, is this what you mean?
Did we see Donegal soloing outside the 45 with Kerry unable to intervene? You mark zonaly outside the arc while putting pressure on, especially with the likes of Paudi C. Donegal sat too deep and didn't engage, while Kerry did at the other end.
Inside the scoring zone it has to be man in man, surely this is what we want?
Donegal overplayed the ball continuously , handpassing needlessly around the small arc, players in scoring positions passing again and again and then you'd have Conor O'D shooting from worse positions. Again, under instructions?

Imo the only ones I have an issue with is the 50m advancement and no time limit to advantage/forward mark advantage. 50m is too harsh and forward mark shouldn't allow a forward who decides to play on have two bites of the cherry.

One rule I would like to add is keeper should be allowed to take a quick kickout even if players are still inside 21. Obviously they can't touch it until the ball has gone out of the arc. Would speed up play even more

I'm in the same boat as others.  The traditionalist in me wants to say "dump the lot" however it's not a zero sum game.  I've always been open to rule changes that limit the defensive dominance and add pace to the game.  I'm only opposed to all the massive rule changes at once and how the balance hasn't been repaired, instead it's been shifted to favour the offence.

The catch is that if I don't vote to "dump the lot" then likely no one will.  Which means the pro rules changes crowd will use this poll as a propaganda victory: SEE NO ONE WANTS TO GO BACK TO 2024!

Fact is, I'd take 2024 over 2025 any day.

I think  the tap n go seems to be most liked. So  maybe that's why few people have ticked 'dump the lot', as most people can see it adds  something to  the game.

I'm in the some retained camp as well.

Keeper not being able to get the ball back, solo and go and a slightly less punishing version of the dissent rules would do it for me.

Very pleased to see there are so many thinking the same way as that reflects the conversations I have with so many heavily involved GAA people.

Please don't turn the game into a completely different sport!

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QuoteThe thought of going back to packed defences, crab football, the audible chat from the stands gives me the jitters tbh

I totally understand fellow Gaels have hugely differing thoughts and preferences on this from my own opinion, and I accept that they are likely to carry the day in this debate.

The one thing I would say, in reference to the bit I've kept from your post, is that last year, the great and the good came on to lambast the spectacle that was the 2024 All Ireland Final, and many referenced how the players calling to each other was clearly audible, in the context of what they seen as a poor contest on the pitch, which in turn was used to shout for the need for rule changes. And yet, the players were clearly audible talking to each other on Sunday, and there was plenty of lateral passing and holding the ball up, and there was little talk about it, albeit there was plenty of booing from the crowd.

Furthermore, we had the ridiculous spectacle of Kerry players soloing the ball back and forward, unimpeded, in front of the half way line, as three Donegal players watched on helplessly, only yards away, unable to intervene.

Maybe the new game is a much better spectacle, full of more scores and more exciting for many, but for me it's just not Gaelic Football.

Yes, that was  odd. Like they were all trying to hail a taxi or something.

Agree on the lateral passing. Was  there much difference  in the 24 final to 25?  Was it only  boring  lateral passes last year because it was Armagh and Galway doing it? But it's ok because  it's Kerry?

I'd scrap 2 point frees and I'd scrap the hooter, it is having a detrimental impact on the end of each half. Everything else is grand! 

Quote from: Nanderson on July 31, 2025, 11:41:06 AMIl

One rule I would like to add is keeper should be allowed to take a quick kickout even if players are still inside 21. Obviously they can't touch it until the ball has gone out of the arc. Would speed up play even more

Isn't that there already?

Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2025, 12:00:47 PM

Quote from: Nanderson on July 31, 2025, 11:41:06 AMIl

One rule I would like to add is keeper should be allowed to take a quick kickout even if players are still inside 21. Obviously they can't touch it until the ball has gone out of the arc. Would speed up play even more

Isn't that there already?

have to be 20 yards from the keeper I think. But could be standing on the endline in theory

From the Rules explainer thingy.......
"After a score or a wide, a kickout to restart the game does not need all of the players to be outside the 20-metre line before it is kicked. Players must still be 13m from the kickout, and it is hoped that this will speed up the game. Kickouts must travel beyond the new 40m arc for the team taking the kickout. If not, it is a free against that team from the place of the foul. The other team can intercept the ball inside the 40m arc. The hope is that this creates more high fielding and contests for possession".

After an abortive attempt at a 20 second kick out rule keepers are now in the main taking much too long.
Refs don't want to give a free for this so maybe back to throw ins?

Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2025, 11:16:44 AM

Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 31, 2025, 10:53:26 AM

Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2025, 10:21:56 AMThe thought of going back to packed defences, crab football, the audible chat from the stands gives me the jitters tbh

I totally understand fellow Gaels have hugely differing thoughts and preferences on this from my own opinion, and I accept that they are likely to carry the day in this debate.

The one thing I would say, in reference to the bit I've kept from your post, is that last year, the great and the good came on to lambast the spectacle that was the 2024 All Ireland Final, and many referenced how the players calling to each other was clearly audible, in the context of what they seen as a poor contest on the pitch, which in turn was used to shout for the need for rule changes. And yet, the players were clearly audible talking to each other on Sunday, and there was plenty of lateral passing and holding the ball up, and there was little talk about it, albeit there was plenty of booing from the crowd.

Furthermore, we had the ridiculous spectacle of Kerry players soloing the ball back and forward, unimpeded, in front of the half way line, as three Donegal players watched on helplessly, only yards away, unable to intervene.

Maybe the new game is a much better spectacle, full of more scores and more exciting for many, but for me it's just not Gaelic Football. 

You've lost me here. Unable to intervene through instruction, is this what you mean?
Did we see Donegal soloing outside the 45 with Kerry unable to intervene? You mark zonaly outside the arc while putting pressure on, especially with the likes of Paudi C. Donegal sat too deep and didn't engage, while Kerry did at the other end.
Inside the scoring zone it has to be man in man, surely this is what we want?
Donegal overplayed the ball continuously , handpassing needlessly around the small arc, players in scoring positions passing again and again and then you'd have Conor O'D shooting from worse positions. Again, under instructions?

i assume he means they couldnt come out of their own half

The seven rules was always going to have further implications when applied in a game. the extent of which is where we are now with some liking them all, some no so much and others liking none of them.

Not sure how far back we go to be 'traditionalist' mid 70's through the 80's or 90's as each of those times brought about change, though not wholesale changes.

We complained about the ref and his timing and looked at a variation of the ladies game with the hooter, now its not good enough for some

We complained about the blanket defence and and having 15 player behind the ball, trying to fix that has brough about that the forwards have too much of the ball and the poor 15 defenders that were able to snuff out attacks can't do that anymore and have to rely on man marking (a traditional trait )

We wanted to introduce shooting from distance to beat the blanket defensive teams rather than working the ball to the 'scoring zone' i.e 14 meters out, to do that it was looked at with incentives of 2 points.. now its not liked either for some..

Jezzzzz its a tough crowd to keep happy

Feck it, lets change it again

Get rid of the 2 pointer and ban that blasted fisted point!

Quote from: Nanderson on July 31, 2025, 11:41:06 AMImo the only ones I have an issue with is the 50m advancement and no time limit to advantage/forward mark advantage. 50m is too harsh and forward mark shouldn't allow a forward who decides to play on have two bites of the cherry.

One rule I would like to add is keeper should be allowed to take a quick kickout even if players are still inside 21. Obviously they can't touch it until the ball has gone out of the arc. Would speed up play even more

You'll see the media gang outlaw this immediately as it eats into their precious action replay time.

Quote from: trileacman on July 31, 2025, 01:19:52 PM

Quote from: Nanderson on July 31, 2025, 11:41:06 AMImo the only ones I have an issue with is the 50m advancement and no time limit to advantage/forward mark advantage. 50m is too harsh and forward mark shouldn't allow a forward who decides to play on have two bites of the cherry.

One rule I would like to add is keeper should be allowed to take a quick kickout even if players are still inside 21. Obviously they can't touch it until the ball has gone out of the arc. Would speed up play even more

You'll see the media gang outlaw this immediately as it eats into their precious action replay time.

Keeper can kick it quick as long as the his players are 13 meters away from the kickout

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2025, 01:03:51 PMWe complained about the ref and his timing and looked at a variation of the ladies game with the hooter, now its not good enough for some

I don't remember any massive clamour for changes to additional time. A few gobshites maybe who have a weekly column to fill but certainly the average player, manager or supporter wasn't in uproar about the timekeeping. Surely the example of Hurling refusing to introduce it speaks volume. I certainly think there's been more issues with the hooter than I ever remember about the additional time rule.

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2025, 01:03:51 PMWe wanted to introduce shooting from distance to beat the blanket defensive teams rather than working the ball to the 'scoring zone' i.e 14 meters out, to do that it was looked at with incentives of 2 points.. now its not liked either for some..

Again I don't remember any sizeable amount of fans clamouring for more long-range points. In the whole people wanted to see a faster game, more turnovers, more contests and less lateral play, time-wasting, avoidance of contact. There wasn't any clamour for a 2 point arc until it was introduced. You've constructed two fallacies to support keeping all the new rules, neither is true.

That's your opinion though.. my opinion was that were calls for the above to be looked at and changed.

Otherwise why was it brought about?

And I've called for no changes when this came about.. I've plenty posts to show it too.

Frc has clearly drawn from basketball (for good or bad).

They've missed a trick in not leaning on Kabaddi and require the attackers to chant Kabaddi (which means hand catch)/only be attacking for a single breath , would balance up the challenge for defenders and would speed attacks up.

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2025, 01:03:51 PMThe seven rules was always going to have further implications when applied in a game. the extent of which is where we are now with some liking them all, some no so much and others liking none of them.

Not sure how far back we go to be 'traditionalist' mid 70's through the 80's or 90's as each of those times brought about change, though not wholesale changes.

We complained about the ref and his timing and looked at a variation of the ladies game with the hooter, now its not good enough for some

We complained about the blanket defence and and having 15 player behind the ball, trying to fix that has brough about that the forwards have too much of the ball and the poor 15 defenders that were able to snuff out attacks can't do that anymore and have to rely on man marking (a traditional trait )

We wanted to introduce shooting from distance to beat the blanket defensive teams rather than working the ball to the 'scoring zone' i.e 14 meters out, to do that it was looked at with incentives of 2 points.. now its not liked either for some..

Jezzzzz its a tough crowd to keep happy

Feck it, lets change it again

Yeah you are right in a way.

Football evolved  into a possession based, no risk strategy , working the ball to get into  that scoring zone 15-20 yards out. Constant recycling  until  the score is guaranteed.  Dublin probably  the best at it.

I dont think we'll ever move away from that now , regardless of  what rules are  introduced.

It's just now, 2 pointers  are very rewarding, so it's just about doing the same recycling thing  (but even more so) to get your kickers in position for a  2 pointer.  Even if a 4 point goal was brought in , I don't think that constant  recycling around the arc will  disappear, nor will we see many more goals.  As 2x2 pointers  is the same as  a goal.

These  tactics  were an ugly stain on the game . They still  are.  And the arc in particular has  made it worse imo.  I don't think you'll ever address  these tactics (unless for eg, you  bring in a shot clock) , so the vast majority of these  rules are just  like  putting lipstick on a pig.

I don't really like any of the new rules except the tap and go. To me they all represent using a sledgehammer to crack a nut and it's no coincidence that as the season progressed they were either ditched (20 second kickouts, 50m forward for a midfield mark, 21m free for breaching 3 up) or the refs began applying them much more judiciously.

The real issue with the game since 2012 was the movement of 12 players behind the ball and later all 15 players into the defensive arc. The keep-ball, lack of pressing up the pitch, short kick-outs all stemmed afterwards from the basketball-isaiton of Gaelic Football defence strategy.

For me that period from about 1990 to 2012 when teams more or less played with a 6-2-6 structure or variation thereof was when Gaelic football was in a good place. I'd have preferred if we made rules changes that encourage, not force, teams to adopt a similar structure again. One of the main reasons for teams retreating back their half-forward, midfield and wing backs into their own 45 is that it's too difficult to win the ball back high up the pitch and exposes your defence to too much risk for the very slim reward on offer. So I'd rather we'd slightly tip the odds back in favour of wing-forwards and MFs fighting for the ball to encourage them to stay higher up the pitch, leaving more room behind them and also better able to score quick attacks.

I've said it before but the only rule change (along with tap and go) would be to ban defensive teams from hand-passing in their own 45 or half of the pitch. It would achieve several of the aims of the new rules without the need for lots of rules changes and bastardisation of the scoring system.

- Teams would be encouraged to keep forwards higher up the pitch.
- teams would be discouraged from recycling the ball backwards deeper into their own playing area.
- teams would find it harder to waste time by playing keep ball.
-teams would be discouraged from taking short guaranteed possession kick outs and rewarded for kicking long contestable kickouts.

I think the rule would force the game to be played less like basketball and more like hurling, where teams are encouraged to play the ball quickly out of their own half.

We'd had several rule changes that constrain how teams can play and now it looks like because the outcome isn't desirable the FRC feel the need to add more rule changes. People need to understand that rules are constraints that remove adaptability and diversity to teams tactics. The more of them we apply the more teams are encouraged to all play the same way as there is so little room left by the rules to play the game in a way that is unique or different. Essentially the game turns into a 15 man basketball where you kick the scores.

Quote from: trileacman on July 31, 2025, 01:19:52 PM

Quote from: Nanderson on July 31, 2025, 11:41:06 AMImo the only ones I have an issue with is the 50m advancement and no time limit to advantage/forward mark advantage. 50m is too harsh and forward mark shouldn't allow a forward who decides to play on have two bites of the cherry.

One rule I would like to add is keeper should be allowed to take a quick kickout even if players are still inside 21. Obviously they can't touch it until the ball has gone out of the arc. Would speed up play even more

You'll see the media gang outlaw this immediately as it eats into their precious action replay time.

That rule was introduced last year by the Special Congress😉

Nice assessment trileacman.  My first game was the notorious 2011 Dublin-Donegal SF.  Maybe that's why everything from 2012-24 looked good to me.

It's a shame the FRC had to make things so complicated.  Many of the rule changes have nothing to do with the core problem.  Who cares where the four midfielders stand at the start of the half?  50m dissent rule?  The referees already have yellow cards.  Use them!

I wish the RFC had only made two changes - tap and go plus a 1v1 rule.  If they'd done that we'd all be in agreement now that the tap and go improved the pace of the game.  As for only allowing 13 defenders and goalkeeper, we would have just had an entire season to see if it gave the offences a "leg up" to better break down the dominant defensive systems.  If it hadn't then they could try 2v2 for 2026.  We know that 3v3 basically abolishes defensive football so 1v1 or 2v2 would been better for balance.

Regarding the "keep ball" problem.  I'm still suggesting a limit of 12 hand passes per possession.  That would also force teams to move the ball up pitch more quickly.

Your final paragraph highlights a danger conformist don't care about.  We've heard it lots since Sunday: Everyone else has to start playing Kerry's way to catch up!  Many here seem to resent Jim McGuinness, however everything he and the other defensive gurus created was WITHIN the rules of football.  No one was cheating.  McGuinness didn't go to GAA HQ with a bag full of money to get them to change the rules to suit his system.  Yet now we appear to have the FRC trying to force every county to play Kerry's style.  So much for diversity.

The basketball analogy is one I've used often.  I've seen what the 3 point shot did to college basketball.  It took over a decade but, eventually every team ended up playing an offence revolving around the 3 pointer.  Consequently every defence had to be structured to stop that offence.  I stand by my prediction that, if kept, the 2 pointer will have the same negative effect on football.

Two unfortunate facts: 1) people are more comfortable conforming.  They see innovators, like McGuinness, as a threat. 2) all sports - beginning with soccer in the 1970s - have seen this possession oriented evolution take over the game.  GAA is lucky that it came to football so late.  Hurling even luckier as it might be the only sport spared this evolution.  Most sports have never been able to fix this problem.

Maybe the FRC understood that you can't save Gaelic football from it without taking the risk of killing the traditional game.  I wish this committee had joined the WEF, focused on building society back better and left football alone.

It's great to see a proper debate about the rules on here. This game means so much to a lot of us and these are massive changes to it.

The debate here reflects the discussions I have had around the pitches of my locality and I have been involved in some robust conversations over the last few months.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion and all feedback should be welcomed.

Surely there is someone in the media who thinks like half the people on here who feel that at best only some of the rules should be kept?

Why do all of the media feel the same way? What has happened to make them all back everything the FRC, Jim and Jarlath say?

There will be an even more concerted effort over the next couple of months as the vote approaches.

Keep posting your views on here people, as you never know, some of them may read this forum.

If all of the rules are retained those in opposition should vote with their feet next year.

People voted with their feet in 2024.

I'm sick hearing every journalist/podcaster claim that this was the best championship in the last 20 years.

Off the top of my head, there were very few good games after the provincials. Armagh Galway was a good game but ultimately Armagh had nothing to play for. There were a few more in the group stages and the Down/Galway prelim but the only game with any from the quarter finals onwards with any excitement was Meath Galway.

Someone tell me I'm wrong?

There was a big crowd at the Leinster final because it was 2 new teams and a big crowd at meath semi final because meath were there for the first time in so long. Other than that the crowds weren't any different.

Connacht Final 2024 19,000
Connacht Final 2025 27,000

Quote from: The Trap on July 31, 2025, 04:14:05 PMThere was a big crowd at the Leinster final because it was 2 new teams and a big crowd at meath semi final because meath were there for the first time in so long. Other than that the crowds weren't any different.

Crowds were up over 20% for the group stages compared to last year.

That's an absolutely huge number of extra people through the turnstiles.

Connacht SFC up 29%
Ulster up 4%
Leinster up 45%
Munster down 3%.

Groups up 24%
Knock out stages up 26%.

21% increase overall.

How many went to all of the Kerry games? And them the best team with the best player?
If games keep going they went at the end of the year that's what crowds will be like. Nobody wants to watch one sided games.

Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2025, 04:54:58 PMConnacht SFC up 29%
Ulster up 4%
Leinster up 45%
Munster down 3%.

Groups up 24%
Knock out stages up 26%.

21% increase overall.

Don't be saying that! Down with positivity..

The positivity we all want is a game that we can all embrace and support.

It's already been alluded to but the rules benefit teams with a certain player profile and it's now well and truly a a forwards game. I'm in favour of tap and go - it should stay as it speeds up the game. That's about it, the rest could get scrapped and I'd probably prefer it.

All the talk is about count level but the rules are too hard to police at club level fairly. There's been a bit of a bedding in period and leeway given but it's an impossible task for refs. It's all well and good at inter-county level with full compliment of match day officials but I've seen some absolute howlers from refs in club games.

Quote from: Mick Bustin on July 31, 2025, 05:18:07 PMIt's already been alluded to but the rules benefit teams with a certain player profile and it's now well and truly a a forwards game. I'm in favour of tap and go - it should stay as it speeds up the game. That's about it, the rest could get scrapped and I'd probably prefer it.

All the talk is about count level but the rules are too hard to police at club level fairly. There's been a bit of a bedding in period and leeway given but it's an impossible task for refs. It's all well and good at inter-county level with full compliment of match day officials but I've seen some absolute howlers from refs in club games.

Yeah and totally unfair on refs as well on their own. 

Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2025, 04:54:58 PMConnacht SFC up 29%
Ulster up 4%
Leinster up 45%
Munster down 3%.

Groups up 24%
Knock out stages up 26%.

21% increase overall.

Some provinces prefer the pre-2025 puke football.

Quote from: trileacman on July 31, 2025, 02:00:41 PMI've said it before but the only rule change (along with tap and go) would be to ban defensive teams from hand-passing in their own 45 or half of the pitch.

I'm trying to picture this in my head and I keep coming up with the closing scenes of Benny Hill. It would be comedy gold

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Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2025, 04:54:58 PMConnacht SFC up 29%
Ulster up 4%
Leinster up 45%
Munster down 3%.

Groups up 24%
Knock out stages up 26%.

21% increase overall.

Some provinces prefer the pre-2025 puke football.

I was never great at the sums myself

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Quote from: Dag Dog on July 31, 2025, 05:22:50 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2025, 04:54:58 PMConnacht SFC up 29%
Ulster up 4%
Leinster up 45%
Munster down 3%.

Groups up 24%
Knock out stages up 26%.

21% increase overall.

Some provinces prefer the pre-2025 puke football.

I was never great at the sums myself

Ulster would be higher if Corrigan was bigger.

Good to see attendances up.

Keep in mind that attendance was bound to be up due to the novelty factor.  The games themselves could be very chaotic, which would further increase curiosity.  I'm not making a good or bad judgement, just pointing out that increased attendance - certainly a positive - is a short term impact.

Everyone here is concerned with the long term interest in the game.  We just have different opinions on what is best.

I do have two questions for the lifetime fans:

1) I've read much about bring man to man defence back into the game.  I assume this was a feature of the game in the 20th century(before I had access to GAA).  My question is: why were scores no different from the recent era, up to 2024?  If the game was that much better 30 years ago then why wasn't there more scoring?

It does tempt one to suspect higher scores are a false god.  Then question FRC motivation because their changes consistently aim for higher scoring.

2) My understanding of the GAA, going back to the 19th century, is that it's primary goal is to give the Irish a sense of community.  Then I see how divided we've become over the massive changes we've witnessed this year.  Easy to forget we're all Gaelic football fans.  We're all on the same side!  My question is: has anything else in recent times been as divisive as what we're now experiencing?

I'm sorry to see all the negatives that have become side effects to the rule changes.  I apologize if I've contributed in an unhelpful way with any of my posts.

Archeologists works with great care.  They aim to recover the past, without destroying it.  Seems to me that the FRC could have moved with the care of an archeologist, yet chose to plow ahead like they were running a big digger.  Attempting to instantly solve the problem with one big effort.  Instant gratification for a western society that certainly knows everything about instant gratification.

Just my opinion but I fear they've done more damage than good with their approach.  Like Schliemann digging a huge trench and destroying a portion of Homer's Troy, that he was trying to rediscover.

Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2025, 04:54:58 PMConnacht SFC up 29%
Ulster up 4%
Leinster up 45%
Munster down 3%.

Groups up 24%
Knock out stages up 26%.

21% increase overall.

Some evidence congress jumped the gun in ending that format? Group stage also had more competitive games than the last month of action.

The Provincial chiefs in Connacht,Leinster and Ulster certainly won't want to lose it's connection to the All-Ireland series with those attendance figures

Quote from: Mick Bustin on July 31, 2025, 05:18:07 PMIt's already been alluded to but the rules benefit teams with a certain player profile and it's now well and truly a a forwards game. I'm in favour of tap and go - it should stay as it speeds up the game. That's about it, the rest could get scrapped and I'd probably prefer it.

All the talk is about count level but the rules are too hard to police at club level fairly. There's been a bit of a bedding in period and leeway given but it's an impossible task for refs. It's all well and good at inter-county level with full compliment of match day officials but I've seen some absolute howlers from refs in club games.

I'm delighted with the 'new game'.

Of course it's easier for the creative forwards.

For years it was park the bus and block the space etc. 

Now defenders have to....defend. Properly, like the old days. Still not 1 on 1 but they have to defend.

What chances the people who don't like the new rules are/were defenders?  8)

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Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2025, 04:54:58 PMConnacht SFC up 29%
Ulster up 4%
Leinster up 45%
Munster down 3%.

Groups up 24%
Knock out stages up 26%.

21% increase overall.

Some evidence congress jumped the gun in ending that format? Group stage also had more competitive games than the last month of action.

The Provincial chiefs in Connacht,Leinster and Ulster certainly won't want to lose it's connection to the All-Ireland series with those attendance figures

HQ panicked when 11k turned up for Dublin v Ros and the new Sherriff in Town joined them and fully supported by the media they demonised the Groups.
Then like the TV chefs...here's a system we've drafted earlier....
JB wanted the new system in for 2025!

Provincial link is loosened a bit further next year.

Now if only the GAA learned Promotion and Marketing.......

Quote from: The Trap on July 31, 2025, 05:01:23 PMHow many went to all of the Kerry games? And them the best team with the best player?
If games keep going they went at the end of the year that's what crowds will be like. Nobody wants to watch one sided games.

This is a serious ' but what have the Romans ever done for us' moment  ;D

Quote from: EoinW on July 31, 2025, 06:01:28 PMKeep in mind that attendance was bound to be up due to the novelty factor.  The games themselves could be very chaotic, which would further increase curiosity.  I'm not making a good or bad judgement, just pointing out that increased attendance - certainly a positive - is a short term impact.

Everyone here is concerned with the long term interest in the game.  We just have different opinions on what is best.

I do have two questions for the lifetime fans:

1) I've read much about bring man to man defence back into the game.  I assume this was a feature of the game in the 20th century(before I had access to GAA).  My question is: why were scores no different from the recent era, up to 2024?  If the game was that much better 30 years ago then why wasn't there more scoring?

It does tempt one to suspect higher scores are a false god.  Then question FRC motivation because their changes consistently aim for higher scoring.

2) My understanding of the GAA, going back to the 19th century, is that it's primary goal is to give the Irish a sense of community.  Then I see how divided we've become over the massive changes we've witnessed this year.  Easy to forget we're all Gaelic football fans.  We're all on the same side!  My question is: has anything else in recent times been as divisive as what we're now experiencing?

I'm sorry to see all the negatives that have become side effects to the rule changes.  I apologize if I've contributed in an unhelpful way with any of my posts.

Archeologists works with great care.  They aim to recover the past, without destroying it.  Seems to me that the FRC could have moved with the care of an archeologist, yet chose to plow ahead like they were running a big digger.  Attempting to instantly solve the problem with one big effort.  Instant gratification for a western society that certainly knows everything about instant gratification.

Just my opinion but I fear they've done more damage than good with their approach.  Like Schliemann digging a huge trench and destroying a portion of Homer's Troy, that he was trying to rediscover.

So if the attendances are similar next year, Is that still novelty or?

Quote from: The Trap on July 31, 2025, 05:13:06 PMThe positivity we all want is a game that we can all embrace and support.

Will always be people won't support the rules no matter what they are... default position negative

On both sides of this, there are people who have just picked a team early on and are sticking to it firmly. The rules aren't really important to these people.

Backing the random Premier League team they chose when they were 10, no matter the circumstances, is a value they hold dear.

Truthsayer and Rossfan look at the result of this poll so far.

It's an indication that GAA people like me are concerned about the future of the game.

Most of us have agreed that some change was needed but almost everyone has agreed that all of the rules together are not the correct solution.

How is that so hard to understand? We are not resistant to change but we just feel there has been too much change at once.

Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2025, 05:26:12 PM

Quote from: trileacman on July 31, 2025, 02:00:41 PMI've said it before but the only rule change (along with tap and go) would be to ban defensive teams from hand-passing in their own 45 or half of the pitch.

I'm trying to picture this in my head and I keep coming up with the closing scenes of Benny Hill. It would be comedy gold

Don't see how it would be. Most intercounty teams and senior club defenders are very competent in possession. They're more than capable of delivering 30-40m kick passes. Even under extreme pressure they have the option of throwing their boot through the ball and making their forwards fight for it. Yano the way football was played for nearly 80 years.

Poll shows the vast majority of GAA fans on here aren't in favour of retaining all the new rules.

Personally, I don't want to watch a match of ball being aimlessly hoofed up the pitch. GAA Gold has shown it up for the shite it was.

Quote from: trileacman on July 31, 2025, 09:33:37 PM

Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2025, 05:26:12 PM

Quote from: trileacman on July 31, 2025, 02:00:41 PMI've said it before but the only rule change (along with tap and go) would be to ban defensive teams from hand-passing in their own 45 or half of the pitch.

I'm trying to picture this in my head and I keep coming up with the closing scenes of Benny Hill. It would be comedy gold

Don't see how it would be. Most intercounty teams and senior club defenders are very competent in possession. They're more than capable of delivering 30-40m kick passes. Even under extreme pressure they have the option of throwing their boot through the ball and making their forwards fight for it. Yano the way football was played for nearly 80 years.

I don't disagree with defenders being able to kick pass, it's when they're be cornered or hunted down I'd have the issue with, the kick passing to team mates in tight spaces to retain possession would be comical.. Or hoof it and hope I suppose

Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 31, 2025, 09:39:04 PMPersonally, I don't want to watch a match of ball being aimlessly hoofed up the pitch. GAA Gold has shown it up for the shite it was.

Was of its time and was agricultural alright. Was talk that the game was evolving 2011 or so to last year... evolving into what.. chess? Was the worst era I can recall and that includes the 1970s. Was one club game, a player who plays county, doing keepsy-upsys on the half way line and no opponent near him... was probably the moment that the need for rule change was sealed.

Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2025, 09:47:14 PM

Quote from: trileacman on July 31, 2025, 09:33:37 PM

Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2025, 05:26:12 PM

Quote from: trileacman on July 31, 2025, 02:00:41 PMI've said it before but the only rule change (along with tap and go) would be to ban defensive teams from hand-passing in their own 45 or half of the pitch.

I'm trying to picture this in my head and I keep coming up with the closing scenes of Benny Hill. It would be comedy gold

Don't see how it would be. Most intercounty teams and senior club defenders are very competent in possession. They're more than capable of delivering 30-40m kick passes. Even under extreme pressure they have the option of throwing their boot through the ball and making their forwards fight for it. Yano the way football was played for nearly 80 years.

I don't disagree with defenders being able to kick pass, it's when they're be cornered or hunted down I'd have the issue with, the kick passing to team mates in tight spaces to retain possession would be comical.. Or hoof it and hope I suppose

Or take your man on. The slavish devotion to retaining possession is what has the game in its current state of apathy.

Quote from: Truthsayer on July 31, 2025, 09:49:17 PM

Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 31, 2025, 09:39:04 PMPersonally, I don't want to watch a match of ball being aimlessly hoofed up the pitch. GAA Gold has shown it up for the shite it was.

Was of its time and was agricultural alright. Was talk that the game was evolving 2011 or so to last year... evolving into what.. chess? Was the worst era I can recall and that includes the 1970s. Was one club game, a player who plays county, doing keepsy-upsys on the half way line and no opponent near him... was probably the moment that the need for rule change was sealed.

We still have that.

https://youtu.be/DrEqmQ6_OAA?feature=shared

Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2025, 04:31:52 PMConnacht Final 2024 19,000
Connacht Final 2025 27,000

Little misleading. Figures approximate


2024 stadium capacity 21,000
2025 stadium capacity 32,000

So the 2024 game was better attended as a percentage of capacity.

Number of factors go into the crowd size including weather, location of the match. Ease of access etc.

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Quote from: Truthsayer on July 31, 2025, 09:49:17 PM

Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 31, 2025, 09:39:04 PMPersonally, I don't want to watch a match of ball being aimlessly hoofed up the pitch. GAA Gold has shown it up for the shite it was.

Was of its time and was agricultural alright. Was talk that the game was evolving 2011 or so to last year... evolving into what.. chess? Was the worst era I can recall and that includes the 1970s. Was one club game, a player who plays county, doing keepsy-upsys on the half way line and no opponent near him... was probably the moment that the need for rule change was sealed.

We still have that.

https://youtu.be/DrEqmQ6_OAA?feature=shared

80 seconds! We've come from 70 minutes of that! If teams are determined not to play not much can be done. Thankfully teams are playing now and going for it..

Quote from: Truthsayer on July 31, 2025, 09:49:17 PM

Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 31, 2025, 09:39:04 PMPersonally, I don't want to watch a match of ball being aimlessly hoofed up the pitch. GAA Gold has shown it up for the shite it was.

Was of its time and was agricultural alright. Was talk that the game was evolving 2011 or so to last year... evolving into what.. chess? Was the worst era I can recall and that includes the 1970s. Was one club game, a player who plays county, doing keepsy-upsys on the half way line and no opponent near him... was probably the moment that the need for rule change was sealed.

Paudie Clifford done similar the other day..

Quote from: trileacman on July 31, 2025, 09:50:44 PM

Quote from: Truthsayer on July 31, 2025, 09:49:17 PM

Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 31, 2025, 09:39:04 PMPersonally, I don't want to watch a match of ball being aimlessly hoofed up the pitch. GAA Gold has shown it up for the shite it was.

Was of its time and was agricultural alright. Was talk that the game was evolving 2011 or so to last year... evolving into what.. chess? Was the worst era I can recall and that includes the 1970s. Was one club game, a player who plays county, doing keepsy-upsys on the half way line and no opponent near him... was probably the moment that the need for rule change was sealed.

We still have that.

https://youtu.be/DrEqmQ6_OAA?feature=shared

Was that passage  of play  (or the 2 minutes of similar before the HT hooter) any different to some of  the play we seen in the 2024 final ?

Quote from: AustinPowers on July 31, 2025, 10:18:32 PM

Quote from: trileacman on July 31, 2025, 09:50:44 PM

Quote from: Truthsayer on July 31, 2025, 09:49:17 PM

Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 31, 2025, 09:39:04 PMPersonally, I don't want to watch a match of ball being aimlessly hoofed up the pitch. GAA Gold has shown it up for the shite it was.

Was of its time and was agricultural alright. Was talk that the game was evolving 2011 or so to last year... evolving into what.. chess? Was the worst era I can recall and that includes the 1970s. Was one club game, a player who plays county, doing keepsy-upsys on the half way line and no opponent near him... was probably the moment that the need for rule change was sealed.

We still have that.

https://youtu.be/DrEqmQ6_OAA?feature=shared

Was that passage  of play  (or the 2 minutes of similar before the HT hooter) any different to some of  the play we seen in the 2024 final ?

Some of?... most of!

Quote from: Truthsayer on July 31, 2025, 10:20:02 PM

Quote from: AustinPowers on July 31, 2025, 10:18:32 PM

Quote from: trileacman on July 31, 2025, 09:50:44 PM

Quote from: Truthsayer on July 31, 2025, 09:49:17 PM

Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 31, 2025, 09:39:04 PMPersonally, I don't want to watch a match of ball being aimlessly hoofed up the pitch. GAA Gold has shown it up for the shite it was.

Was of its time and was agricultural alright. Was talk that the game was evolving 2011 or so to last year... evolving into what.. chess? Was the worst era I can recall and that includes the 1970s. Was one club game, a player who plays county, doing keepsy-upsys on the half way line and no opponent near him... was probably the moment that the need for rule change was sealed.

We still have that.

https://youtu.be/DrEqmQ6_OAA?feature=shared

Was that passage  of play  (or the 2 minutes of similar before the HT hooter) any different to some of  the play we seen in the 2024 final ?

Some of?... most of!

Must watch 2024 back, I seem to remember some brilliant play, McKays goal and the move for Niall Grimleys point plus both the O'Neills had scores that day every bit as good as what we saw at the weekend.

Joes block, Crealeys turnover on the cusack side late on, huge dramatic moments we didn't see anything like on Sunday.

I think some people on here believe the media narrative that this is all brilliant while there are other people who can look beyond that and see that it is not.

I also think those people set up this poll thinking their position would be validated given the 100% support of the media and cannot believe that there are people who have minds of their own.

Quote from: The Trap on July 31, 2025, 10:24:10 PMI think some people on here believe the media narrative that this is all brilliant while there are other people who can look beyond that and see that it is not.

I also think those people set up this poll thinking their position would be validated given the 100% support of the media and cannot believe that there are people who have minds of their own.

:D  :D  :D oh! to have your insight and see beyond the 'media' whatever that's supposed to be. There's me thinking the game has been saved but I just read it in the.. ? 🤷

Im obviously bias but the 2024 final was infinitely superior to the 20025 final.  I think the 2024 final suffers from exaggeration as to how bad it was.  The 2025 final on the other hand is benefitted by a need to portray the current game as vastly superior to the old one.

Quote from: David McKeown on July 31, 2025, 10:40:51 PMIm obviously bias but the 2024 final was infinitely superior to the 20025 final.  I think the 2024 final suffers from exaggeration as to how bad it was.  The 2025 final on the other hand is benefitted by a need to portray the current game as vastly superior to the old one.

I actually nodded off last year in the first half watching it on TV.. true. It was typical of where county and club football was at.
I don't think the final this year was good at all due to an abject Donegal performance. The game should be judged on the entire year not comparing two games. But if people think it was better before the changes so be it.. I don't... repeation doesn't strengthen argument..  so that'll do me.

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Quote from: Truthsayer on July 31, 2025, 09:49:17 PM

Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 31, 2025, 09:39:04 PMPersonally, I don't want to watch a match of ball being aimlessly hoofed up the pitch. GAA Gold has shown it up for the shite it was.

Was of its time and was agricultural alright. Was talk that the game was evolving 2011 or so to last year... evolving into what.. chess? Was the worst era I can recall and that includes the 1970s. Was one club game, a player who plays county, doing keepsy-upsys on the half way line and no opponent near him... was probably the moment that the need for rule change was sealed.

Paudie Clifford done similar the other day..

Was allowed to do that?

Quote from: The Trap on July 31, 2025, 10:24:10 PM.

I also think those people set up this poll thinking their position would be validated given the 100% support of the media and cannot believe that there are people who have minds of their own.

I set up this poll for GAAboarders to vote.
Full Stop.

Quote from: Truthsayer on July 31, 2025, 10:50:12 PM

Quote from: David McKeown on July 31, 2025, 10:40:51 PMIm obviously bias but the 2024 final was infinitely superior to the 20025 final.  I think the 2024 final suffers from exaggeration as to how bad it was.  The 2025 final on the other hand is benefitted by a need to portray the current game as vastly superior to the old one.

I actually nodded off last year in the first half watching it on TV.. true. It was typical of where county and club football was at.
I don't think the final this year was good at all due to an abject Donegal performance. The game should be judged on the entire year not comparing two games. But if people think it was better before the changes so be it.. I don't... repeation doesn't strengthen argument..  so that'll do me.

The semis and quarters were all shite as well... not to say that was all on the rules, but people proclaiming that the rules have saved the game and that this was the best championship in years are lying or deluded.

Quote from: The Trap on July 31, 2025, 10:24:10 PMI think some people on here believe the media narrative that this is all brilliant while there are other people who can look beyond that and see that it is not.

I also think those people set up this poll thinking their position would be validated given the 100% support of the media and cannot believe that there are people who have minds of their own.

One person set it up and people have voted.. most people have said they are happy for change.. only 6% want to go back to the 80's

Quote from: Truthsayer on July 31, 2025, 10:50:12 PM

Quote from: David McKeown on July 31, 2025, 10:40:51 PMIm obviously bias but the 2024 final was infinitely superior to the 20025 final.  I think the 2024 final suffers from exaggeration as to how bad it was.  The 2025 final on the other hand is benefitted by a need to portray the current game as vastly superior to the old one.

I actually nodded off last year in the first half watching it on TV.. true. It was typical of where county and club football was at.
I don't think the final this year was good at all due to an abject Donegal performance. The game should be judged on the entire year not comparing two games. But if people think it was better before the changes so be it.. I don't... repeation doesn't strengthen argument..  so that'll do me.

Nor do anecdotal stories. Both this year and last had cracking games. Both had terrible games. For me this year had far more good games. For others the opposite is true. My issue is the fait accompli that is presented that this year was better than last year is simply not true.

Quote from: David McKeown on July 31, 2025, 10:40:51 PMIm obviously bias but the 2024 final was infinitely superior to the 20025 final.  I think the 2024 final suffers from exaggeration as to how bad it was.  The 2025 final on the other hand is benefitted by a need to portray the current game as vastly superior to the old one.

We were in France, the onsite bar manager gave us the run of their massive TV for 3 hrs using GAAGo. There was about 150 Irish folk in that Sunday afternoon, all excited, it was such a woeful spectacle, brutal

Edit: if it was us who won it, I'd be absolutely delighted, regardless

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2025, 11:09:11 PM

Quote from: The Trap on July 31, 2025, 10:24:10 PMI think some people on here believe the media narrative that this is all brilliant while there are other people who can look beyond that and see that it is not.

I also think those people set up this poll thinking their position would be validated given the 100% support of the media and cannot believe that there are people who have minds of their own.

One person set it up and people have voted.. most people have said they are happy for change.. only 6% want to go back to the 80's

Currently 90.8% for change

Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2025, 11:18:52 PM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2025, 11:09:11 PM

Quote from: The Trap on July 31, 2025, 10:24:10 PMI think some people on here believe the media narrative that this is all brilliant while there are other people who can look beyond that and see that it is not.

I also think those people set up this poll thinking their position would be validated given the 100% support of the media and cannot believe that there are people who have minds of their own.

One person set it up and people have voted.. most people have said they are happy for change.. only 6% want to go back to the 80's

Currently 90.8% for change

You could also look a t it another way , and say only  15% want all rules retained. That's hardly a ringing endorsement

Most people are open to  a new rule or two.  Not everyone is closed off  to  the prospect of  a change that will add  something to the game.  Just as the free from the hands, square ball change etc was welcomed previously.

 I think the tap and go seems  to have been  well received by many , but that might be the only one favoured by some (myself included). But as I said before,  whether you like 1 new rule or 6, you're ticking  the same box , so the results are slightly misleading. Or maybe  that was your intention? ;)

Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2025, 11:18:52 PM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2025, 11:09:11 PM

Quote from: The Trap on July 31, 2025, 10:24:10 PMI think some people on here believe the media narrative that this is all brilliant while there are other people who can look beyond that and see that it is not.

I also think those people set up this poll thinking their position would be validated given the 100% support of the media and cannot believe that there are people who have minds of their own.

One person set it up and people have voted.. most people have said they are happy for change.. only 6% want to go back to the 80's

Currently 90.8% for change

And 85% opposed to keeping the rule changes as they are.

Quote from: trileacman on July 31, 2025, 11:53:12 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2025, 11:18:52 PM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2025, 11:09:11 PM

Quote from: The Trap on July 31, 2025, 10:24:10 PMI think some people on here believe the media narrative that this is all brilliant while there are other people who can look beyond that and see that it is not.

I also think those people set up this poll thinking their position would be validated given the 100% support of the media and cannot believe that there are people who have minds of their own.

One person set it up and people have voted.. most people have said they are happy for change.. only 6% want to go back to the 80's

Currently 90.8% for change

And 85% opposed to keeping the rule changes as they are.

But still looking changes of sort are 90%

Think polls can give skewed views or false opinions

For some they like blanket defence and keeper's playing up field or short unopposed kick outs, they like possession football that really only kicks in on 55 minutes, zonal marking were they actually pass players with the ball so they can get into their position, the enjoyment of getting into the scoring zone (13m) so they can shoot.

And some people like it differently

The rules, all 7 have multiple layers which made life difficult to manage. Certainly as a ref it's ridiculous and flawed.

Keeping people happy is difficult

I'd be more concerned on how a poll is done with actual players rather than the sofa hugging experts

Feck Rossfan you are absolutely mental.

Over 50% want minimal change......minimal.......you hear that?????

Fecking minimal.

One or two changes......minimal.....you get the word????? Fecking minimal

I'm done with narcissists on here and in power.

Over and out...

Ruin the game if yous want.

See yous in 5 years.

Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2025, 11:18:52 PM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2025, 11:09:11 PM

Quote from: The Trap on July 31, 2025, 10:24:10 PMI think some people on here believe the media narrative that this is all brilliant while there are other people who can look beyond that and see that it is not.

I also think those people set up this poll thinking their position would be validated given the 100% support of the media and cannot believe that there are people who have minds of their own.

One person set it up and people have voted.. most people have said they are happy for change.. only 6% want to go back to the 80's

Currently 90.8% for change

With no consensus what the change should be. I voted to go back to 2024 because the alternatives were not defined but I'm not opposed to change. I just think any change needs to be properly tested to analyse its impact before it's implemented for a minimum 4 year period.

Quote from: The Trap on August 01, 2025, 12:45:24 AMFeck Rossfan you are absolutely mental.

Over 50% want minimal change......minimal.......you hear that?????

Fecking minimal.

One or two changes......minimal.....you get the word????? Fecking minimal

I'm done with narcissists on here and in power.

Over and out...

Ruin the game if yous want.

See yous in 5 years.

😀😃😄😁😆😅🤣

Quote from: David McKeown on July 31, 2025, 10:40:51 PMIm obviously bias but the 2024 final was infinitely superior to the 20025 final.  I think the 2024 final suffers from exaggeration as to how bad it was.  The 2025 final on the other hand is benefitted by a need to portray the current game as vastly superior to the old one.

100% this.

For people who are looking for what the general GAA public thoughts are on the rules the following reports from after the league show the massive public support for the new rules.

https://www.gaa.ie/article/football-review-committee-benefit-realisation-framework-on-new-rules

https://www.gaa.ie/article/frc-publish-post-allianz-football-league-review

Given how thorough the FRC have been to date and how they have actually used data and feedback, I'd imagine there will surely be a post championship report at some stage.

Between how popular the rules changes have been according to these reports and the increased attendances, anyone thinking that any of the new rules have any chance of being abandoned looks to be severely out-of-touch with reality.

Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 31, 2025, 10:53:26 AM

Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2025, 10:21:56 AMThe thought of going back to packed defences, crab football, the audible chat from the stands gives me the jitters tbh

I totally understand fellow Gaels have hugely differing thoughts and preferences on this from my own opinion, and I accept that they are likely to carry the day in this debate.

The one thing I would say, in reference to the bit I've kept from your post, is that last year, the great and the good came on to lambast the spectacle that was the 2024 All Ireland Final, and many referenced how the players calling to each other was clearly audible, in the context of what they seen as a poor contest on the pitch, which in turn was used to shout for the need for rule changes. And yet, the players were clearly audible talking to each other on Sunday, and there was plenty of lateral passing and holding the ball up, and there was little talk about it, albeit there was plenty of booing from the crowd.

Furthermore, we had the ridiculous spectacle of Kerry players soloing the ball back and forward, unimpeded, in front of the half way line, as three Donegal players watched on helplessly, only yards away, unable to intervene.

Maybe the new game is a much better spectacle, full of more scores and more exciting for many, but for me it's just not Gaelic Football.

I respect your opinions on a lot of thing rufus but I'd like to query the last sentence. What is Gaelic football to you? What we seen in 2024? I'd wager if you dropped someone from 1959 into 2024 they woukdnt recognise the sport. The people who wrote the original rules certainly wouldn't.

https://www.museum.ie/en-IE/Collections-Research/Collection/Documentation-Discoveries/Artefact/Gaelic-Athletic-Association-Football-Rules-Book-18/c6a88203-7819-40ef-b0ae-4d589cb1c3a3

Quote from: twohands!!! on August 01, 2025, 10:22:54 AMFor people who are looking for what the general GAA public thoughts are on the rules the following reports from after the league show the massive public support for the new rules.

https://www.gaa.ie/article/football-review-committee-benefit-realisation-framework-on-new-rules

https://www.gaa.ie/article/frc-publish-post-allianz-football-league-review

Given how thorough the FRC have been to date and how they have actually used data and feedback, I'd imagine there will surely be a post championship report at some stage.

Between how popular the rules changes have been according to these reports and the increased attendances, anyone thinking that any of the new rules have any chance of being abandoned looks to be severely out-of-touch with reality.

Do they? I've only been able to skim them there but from what I can see the first report seems to have only taken unsolicited emails as a barometer of public opinion. The second doesn't seem to make any reference to same.

Where exactly is the evidence of massive public support?

The danger is that all of western society has an Alice in Wonderland quality to it.  What one believes is often more important than facts.  Journalism, as we've seen at the political level, has died.  Instead of being truth seekers revealing reality, journalists are stenographers repeating what governments and bureaucrats tell them to present as "reality".

It's nice to think sport journalists are immune from this - simply because sports are not important enough to require manipulation.

What happens when the sport's authority sets out to create a new mandate for the game?  Suddenly you have a political reason to manipulate how fans feel.  We know from other journalistic fields that sport journalists can not be relied on to hold authority to account.  It's a safe bet they will do what their brother journalists have done and become stenographers, parroting the party line...manufacturing consent.

We've seen the performance of RTE and GAAGo this year.  I was shocked watching one of the Ulster provincials, on BBC, when a comment was made(might have been by Oisin McConville) suggesting their was TOO MUCH offence.  That was the first hint I had that anyone on television was thinking there might be a problem with the new rules.

Sorry but I'll be skeptical of any polls or research done by the GAA or FRC or even the media.  They all have a vested interest in one side of the debate.  If they aren't objective, how can their polling/research be objective?

Regarding the poll on this site, there were 80,000 fans at Croke Park Sunday.  We've got a poll with less than 100 votes.  it's a nice curiosity piece but it doesn't mean anything

I think we can have a fair guess at who the 7 are anyway ;D

Statisticians work on the basis that for a population of 100,000, a sample of 100 people provides a margin of error of less than 10%.

Quote from: Rossfan on August 01, 2025, 02:50:32 PMI think we can have a fair guess at who the 7 are anyway ;D

LOL! Start another poll!

Sandbox game report  the Irish Times

After an incredibly successful first year under the new rules, the Football Review Committee (FRC) headed back to the laboratory for further tests last Wednesday night. A "sandbox" game was hosted between Dublin Senior 2 sides Fingallians and Round Towers Clondalkin in Abbotstown, to trial a few extra rules that hadn't made the cutline for the 2025 season.

Heading out towards Blanchardstown though, there was a feeling that we, the players, were also on trial.

Not only was the place, date and time of the match announced by FRC chairman Jim Gavin during the RTÉ broadcast of the All-Ireland final, but the chat in Towers' dressingroom was mostly around the bits and pieces posted on social media about the game, and whether a cadre of football nerds and journalists would descend upon the National Sports Campus. But the call was coming from inside the house.

I was out there in both a professional and recreational capacity, having played for Towers since before I can remember, and certainly before I became a "journo". In any case, it turned out that there was a smattering of apparent neutrals in the stands, but before we got out on to the pitch, we were visited by Towers' most famous son, Gavin himself.

The rules of the match were set out to us. We were to begin with a 15-minute period, where goals would be worth four points and we would be unable to bring the ball back into our own half once we had crossed the halfway mark. The pitchside hooter would bring an immediate stop to the first quarter (rather than the play being allowed continue), and there would also be some alteration to the current kick out mark – although it wasn't clear to most of us what that was exactly.

In any case, that wasn't much of a concern when we saw the Fingallians team, who appeared mostly to be well over 6ft tall. By the end of the first quarter, we were grateful that the hooter brought the game to an abrupt halt. A couple of four-point goals had hit the back of our net and we had already dug ourselves into a hole in this particular sandbox.

Before the second quarter, Gavin came over to have a few words with us, and told us that it would begin with the scenario that we were six points up. Despite an improvement in the second period, we still conceded a four-pointer, which meant that we had lost the period by five. There were a few wry smiles when Jim came back to us at half-time with a cheery "well done, you won that by a point".

The boosted goals had been very telling in the first half, as Fingallians went direct as often as they could. However, the game had also become unbalanced very quickly because of them.

There was a couple of breaches of the halfway-line rule and both teams were able to press up farther because their opponents couldn't just turn and play it backwards. After the match, there was broad agreement that it was the most viable and positive of the sandboxed rules.

After half-time came two evenly matched five-minute periods, where each side took a turn at playing a scenario where they were two points up to start. Then, for the final 20 minutes, another rule was introduced: a player receiving a hand pass would have to kick pass. In other words a team could not play two hand passes in a row.

This led to more chaos, more verticality and more turnovers, and it was probably the most enjoyable part to play in.

There were a few lapses on the rules throughout the game – lads passing into their own half, or playing one-twos through the hands in the final period. There were also some unusual decisions being made because of the different parameters, with more long balls being played, especially in the last 20.

Having apparently become overwhelmed by the spirit of the game, I latched on to a loose pass and drove out of defence only to absolutely welly an awful pass into the full-forward line. I later managed to somewhat balance the books, cutting across the ball nicely to switch play after receiving a hand pass. It wasn't a defence splitter, but it did give pace to the attack on the far side, and it's exactly the sort of risky pass I would never play under the current rules.

The increase in kicking in the final period had opened the game up, even if the rule itself wasn't perfect. When players did kick, they usually had the skills to execute their pass.

But it was obvious that many of us simply don't get our heads up quickly enough, having been raised in the post-puke-football era. The FRC changes aren't just fixing a rules problem, they have to address the now ingrained safety-first culture in players.

Those attitudes may actually prove harder to change than the rules.

No playing back  into your own half.
Tap and go.

That's all that was  ever needed.

I'll leave this open till Saturday.

At game on Sunday, defender and attacker went for ball around half way line. Defender won the ball but momentum took him over the HW line and only 3 back. So breaking rule.
Ref gave 13m free but I thought it should be from HW line as not intentional.

Quote from: Delgany 2nds on August 05, 2025, 11:47:18 AMAt game on Sunday, defender and attacker went for ball around half way line. Defender won the ball but momentum took him over the HW line and only 3 back. So breaking rule.
Ref gave 13m free but I thought it should be from HW line as not intentional.

Current rules in the rule-book and punishments.

Quote2.14 During play, a team must have at least four players (which may include the goalkeeper) in their half of the field and at least three outfield players in the opposition half of the field.

Exception:
A breach of this Rule does not occur where the player(s) who would otherwise cause the breach

(a) have do so unintentionally
(b) are within 4m of the half way line
(c) are not interfering with play
(d) are not interfering with the opponent, and
(e) are not gaining an advantage

Quote4.35 To commit a breach of Rule 2.14 (Set Play) in the act of carrying, receiving or intercepting the ball, or attempting to do so.

Penalty
Free kick from the place where the player crossed the half-wayline.

4.36 To commit a breach of Rule 2.14 (Set Play) other than in the circumstances outlined in Rule 4.35.

Penalty
Free kick from the centre point of the offending team's 20m line. However,the opponents of the team conceding the foul may take a free kick from any point outside the 40m arc

The wording of the rules and punishment are just atrocious here.

I think the intention of the wording is that the fact that it was unintentional isn't enough - it has to be unintentional, not interfering with play or opponent, not gaining an advantafe and must be within 4m of the half-way line for it not to be breach of the rule. However the way these rules are written it definitely isn't the clearest.

Quote from: Delgany 2nds on August 05, 2025, 11:47:18 AMAt game on Sunday, defender and attacker went for ball around half way line. Defender won the ball but momentum took him over the HW line and only 3 back. So breaking rule.
Ref gave 13m free but I thought it should be from HW line as not intentional.

He interfered with play hence its a 13m free as per the new rules. I don't see anyway you could claim touching the ball outside the halfway line is unintentional unless you're lying injured, prone on the ground and the ball is driven against you.

Quote from: Armagh18 on July 31, 2025, 11:06:50 PM

Quote from: Truthsayer on July 31, 2025, 10:50:12 PM

Quote from: David McKeown on July 31, 2025, 10:40:51 PMIm obviously bias but the 2024 final was infinitely superior to the 20025 final.  I think the 2024 final suffers from exaggeration as to how bad it was.  The 2025 final on the other hand is benefitted by a need to portray the current game as vastly superior to the old one.

I actually nodded off last year in the first half watching it on TV.. true. It was typical of where county and club football was at.
I don't think the final this year was good at all due to an abject Donegal performance. The game should be judged on the entire year not comparing two games. But if people think it was better before the changes so be it.. I don't... repeation doesn't strengthen argument..  so that'll do me.

The semis and quarters were all shite as well... not to say that was all on the rules, but people proclaiming that the rules have saved the game and that this was the best championship in years are lying or deluded.

The final and both semis were poor, but the quarterfinals with the exception of Dublin v Tyrone were all good watches.
I agree that the constant media narrative about frc saving football etc and how that translated into attendances is a bit nauseating. It's ignoring that attendances tend to be better when teams are well matched and games likely to be competitive and this year has seen the range in ability between the top 16 at its narrowest in years - I'm not convinced that the new rules contributed massively there, but meath did exploit them to their advantage.
All that said, the new rules have been positive and whilst tweaks are needed (2-pt frees need to be gone and the 4-pt goal should be back), you'd imagine most will make it through congress in October.

Quote from: Delgany 2nds on August 05, 2025, 11:47:18 AMAt game on Sunday, defender and attacker went for ball around half way line. Defender won the ball but momentum took him over the HW line and only 3 back. So breaking rule.
Ref gave 13m free but I thought it should be from HW line as not intentional.

Both players breaking the line, hop ball.
Defender breaking the line with the ball (cause he intentionally won the ball and carried it over) free from the 20m line. or at the arc of the 40m line

The players are aware that they take a risk when carrying that out past the halfway line, the ref has to speak to his linesmen and ask for reasons to why it was called if he hadn't seen it.

The common sense approach for that would be that if both players crossed the line, then that was the first free.. everything after that isn't taken so to speak, so hop ball where they both crossed

The interpretation could be seen as he intentionally collected the ball (otherwise he'd have dropped the ball and at worst would have been only a free from that position) and thus bringing the free forward ..

Quote from: trileacman on August 05, 2025, 08:38:01 PM

Quote from: Delgany 2nds on August 05, 2025, 11:47:18 AMAt game on Sunday, defender and attacker went for ball around half way line. Defender won the ball but momentum took him over the HW line and only 3 back. So breaking rule.
Ref gave 13m free but I thought it should be from HW line as not intentional.

He interfered with play hence its a 13m free as per the new rules. I don't see anyway you could claim touching the ball outside the halfway line is unintentional unless you're lying injured, prone on the ground and the ball is driven against you.

Is it not 4.35 as he was playing the ball. So free on the half way line

Yes, it's entirely plausible that someone could intentionally collect the ball but unintentionally step over the line after doing so.

I don't think dropping the ball is the first thought someone would have either. At least, it doesn't appear to be when players carry the ball out over the sideline all the time.

It should be a free from the halfway line.

Poll closed.
The GAAboarders have spoken.

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 11:17:04 AMPoll closed.
The GAAboarders have spoken.

Indeed they have the majority not in favour of all of the new rules.

Quote from: David McKeown on August 10, 2025, 11:22:11 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 11:17:04 AMPoll closed.
The GAAboarders have spoken.

Indeed they have the majority not in favour of all of the new rules.

Yep. I'm part of the 42% that voted some retained, the only one I'm strongly in favour of is the solo and go. The rest I'm either not fussed on or totally against.

So roughly 48% what to keep the rules or a close version of it. And 52% want significant change or abandoned. I'm fairly surprised by that to be honest. Thought there would have been stronger support given the discussions on here.

Quote from: David McKeown on August 10, 2025, 11:22:11 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 11:17:04 AMPoll closed.
The GAAboarders have spoken.

Indeed they have the majority not in favour of all of the new rules.

Looks like we had 10 posters that watched games with blinkers on.  The knockout stages was conclusive evidence that further changes of the rules are required.

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2025, 01:43:08 PM

Quote from: David McKeown on August 10, 2025, 11:22:11 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 11:17:04 AMPoll closed.
The GAAboarders have spoken.

Indeed they have the majority not in favour of all of the new rules.

Looks like we had 10 posters that watched games with blinkers on.  The knockout stages was conclusive evidence that further changes of the rules are required.

There's always a good percentage that will moan like f**k regardless

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2025, 01:43:08 PM

Quote from: David McKeown on August 10, 2025, 11:22:11 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 11:17:04 AM.  The knockout stages was conclusive evidence that further changes of the rules are required.

To what purpose?
To help bad teams?
??

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 05:32:45 PMTo what purpose?
To help bad teams?
??

To get close to the hype that was promised by FRC and all those in the media who was backing them and placing their trust in them.

No need to stick ones head in the sand. To have more better games in the knockout stages last year under the old rules was not a good look at all after the amount of change.

Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 10, 2025, 01:18:00 PMSo roughly 48% what to keep the rules or a close version of it. And 52% want significant change or abandoned. I'm fairly surprised by that to be honest. Thought there would have been stronger support given the discussions on here.

like I said   a few days ago - Divided.

I think there no need for a 2pters free answer I rather a 2pter from play have to be from behind the 45, otherwise happy with most of the rest.The black card and not been fit to play just 2 up front during this spell i also think too big a handicap. Do u have to keep 3 up on a red card, to me thats too much.

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2025, 05:39:56 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 05:32:45 PMTo what purpose?
To help bad teams?
??

To get close to the hype that was promised by FRC and all those in the media who was backing them and placing their trust in them.

No need to stick ones head in the sand. To have more better games in the knockout stages last year under the old rules was not a good look at all after the amount of change.

Tyrone, Meath kicking a lorry load of wides the fault of the new rules?
Galway and Dublin regressing?
Donegal getting so many things wrong in the Final?

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 06:52:33 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2025, 05:39:56 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 05:32:45 PMTo what purpose?
To help bad teams?
??

To get close to the hype that was promised by FRC and all those in the media who was backing them and placing their trust in them.

No need to stick ones head in the sand. To have more better games in the knockout stages last year under the old rules was not a good look at all after the amount of change.

Tyrone, Meath kicking a lorry load of wides the fault of the new rules?
Galway and Dublin regressing?
Donegal getting so many things wrong in the Final?
 

So last year, bad games = rules are shite. This year bad games = teams are shite? Ok.

Quote from: Armagh18 on August 10, 2025, 08:34:00 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 06:52:33 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2025, 05:39:56 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 05:32:45 PMTo what purpose?
To help bad teams?
??

To get close to the hype that was promised by FRC and all those in the media who was backing them and placing their trust in them.

No need to stick ones head in the sand. To have more better games in the knockout stages last year under the old rules was not a good look at all after the amount of change.

Tyrone, Meath kicking a lorry load of wides the fault of the new rules?
Galway and Dublin regressing?
Donegal getting so many things wrong in the Final?
 

So last year, bad games = rules are shite. This year bad games = teams are shite? Ok.

Last year nearly all club and county games were bad - this year majority of games good. New rules good 👍

Quote from: Truthsayer on August 10, 2025, 08:44:54 PM

Quote from: Armagh18 on August 10, 2025, 08:34:00 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 06:52:33 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2025, 05:39:56 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 05:32:45 PMTo what purpose?
To help bad teams?
??

To get close to the hype that was promised by FRC and all those in the media who was backing them and placing their trust in them.

No need to stick ones head in the sand. To have more better games in the knockout stages last year under the old rules was not a good look at all after the amount of change.

Tyrone, Meath kicking a lorry load of wides the fault of the new rules?
Galway and Dublin regressing?
Donegal getting so many things wrong in the Final?
 

So last year, bad games = rules are shite. This year bad games = teams are shite? Ok.

Last year nearly all club and county games were bad - this year majority of games good. New rules good 👍

6 of the 7 biggest games (in the all ireland series) were all shite with the 3 biggest being shite.

Quote from: Armagh18 on August 10, 2025, 09:03:26 PM

Quote from: Truthsayer on August 10, 2025, 08:44:54 PM

Quote from: Armagh18 on August 10, 2025, 08:34:00 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 06:52:33 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2025, 05:39:56 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 05:32:45 PMTo what purpose?
To help bad teams?
??

To get close to the hype that was promised by FRC and all those in the media who was backing them and placing their trust in them.

No need to stick ones head in the sand. To have more better games in the knockout stages last year under the old rules was not a good look at all after the amount of change.

Tyrone, Meath kicking a lorry load of wides the fault of the new rules?
Galway and Dublin regressing?
Donegal getting so many things wrong in the Final?
 

So last year, bad games = rules are shite. This year bad games = teams are shite? Ok.

Last year nearly all club and county games were bad - this year majority of games good. New rules good 👍

6 of the 7 biggest games (in the all ireland series) were all shite with the 3 biggest being shite.

You mean one-sided? It happens... we're not going back 😊
Which 6 games are you referring to?

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Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 05:32:45 PMTo what purpose?
To help bad teams?
??

To get close to the hype that was promised by FRC and all those in the media who was backing them and placing their trust in them.

No need to stick ones head in the sand. To have more better games in the knockout stages last year under the old rules was not a good look at all after the amount of change.

Tyrone, Meath kicking a lorry load of wides the fault of the new rules?
Galway and Dublin regressing?
Donegal getting so many things wrong in the Final?
 

So last year, bad games = rules are shite. This year bad games = teams are shite? Ok.

Last year nearly all club and county games were bad - this year majority of games good. New rules good 👍

6 of the 7 biggest games (in the all ireland series) were all shite with the 3 biggest being shite.

You mean one-sided? It happens... we're not going back 😊
Which 6 games are you referring to?

3 out of 4 quarter finals, 2 semis and a final were not good games by any stretch of the imagination...

You're right I can't see us going back unfortunately.

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Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2025, 05:39:56 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 05:32:45 PMTo what purpose?
To help bad teams?
??

To get close to the hype that was promised by FRC and all those in the media who was backing them and placing their trust in them.

No need to stick ones head in the sand. To have more better games in the knockout stages last year under the old rules was not a good look at all after the amount of change.

Tyrone, Meath kicking a lorry load of wides the fault of the new rules?
Galway and Dublin regressing?
Donegal getting so many things wrong in the Final?
 

So last year, bad games = rules are shite. This year bad games = teams are shite? Ok.

Last year nearly all club and county games were bad - this year majority of games good. New rules good 👍

6 of the 7 biggest games (in the all ireland series) were all shite with the 3 biggest being shite.

You mean one-sided? It happens... we're not going back 😊
Which 6 games are you referring to?

3 out of 4 quarter finals, 2 semis and a final were not good games by any stretch of the imagination...

You're right I can't see us going back unfortunately.

They were one-sided. The All Ireland final last year was close and had about 5 minutes excitement at the end. An endurance test... #chess

A lot of what the new rules was sold on didn't really happen once we got the do or die championship matches this summer.

The standard and overall quality of this year's All-Ireland series matches in Croke Park was average to poor.  While HQ and FRC won't admit that in public they are currently working away with sandbox games to see which adjustment will improve things for the 2026 All-Ireland series.

Personally I'd get rid of two pointers before adding 4 pointer goals as appears to be the next step.

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Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2025, 05:39:56 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 05:32:45 PMTo what purpose?
To help bad teams?
??

To get close to the hype that was promised by FRC and all those in the media who was backing them and placing their trust in them.

No need to stick ones head in the sand. To have more better games in the knockout stages last year under the old rules was not a good look at all after the amount of change.

Tyrone, Meath kicking a lorry load of wides the fault of the new rules?
Galway and Dublin regressing?
Donegal getting so many things wrong in the Final?
 

So last year, bad games = rules are shite. This year bad games = teams are shite? Ok.

Last year nearly all club and county games were bad - this year majority of games good. New rules good 👍

It's a fair opinion to have but it doesn't mean that all of the rule changes have improved the game. It is possible that binning some of them would improve the game further.

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 06:52:33 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2025, 05:39:56 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 05:32:45 PMTo what purpose?
To help bad teams?
??

To get close to the hype that was promised by FRC and all those in the media who was backing them and placing their trust in them.

No need to stick ones head in the sand. To have more better games in the knockout stages last year under the old rules was not a good look at all after the amount of change.

Tyrone, Meath kicking a lorry load of wides the fault of the new rules?
Galway and Dublin regressing?
Donegal getting so many things wrong in the Final?

To a degree yes.

Two points for a shot outside the 40m line means an increased incentive to shoot from lower % areas, more difficult shots taken on which means more wides.

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Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 06:52:33 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2025, 05:39:56 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 05:32:45 PMTo what purpose?
To help bad teams?
??

To get close to the hype that was promised by FRC and all those in the media who was backing them and placing their trust in them.

No need to stick ones head in the sand. To have more better games in the knockout stages last year under the old rules was not a good look at all after the amount of change.

Tyrone, Meath kicking a lorry load of wides the fault of the new rules?
Galway and Dublin regressing?
Donegal getting so many things wrong in the Final?
 

So last year, bad games = rules are shite. This year bad games = teams are shite? Ok.

Last year nearly all club and county games were bad - this year majority of games good. New rules good 👍

It's a fair opinion to have but it doesn't mean that all of the rule changes have improved the game. It is possible that binning some of them would improve the game further.

I'm definitely enjoying football again, but the statement above could v well be true. I'll start with the longer kickouts, into room 101 with it, and 2 pointers from frees, and the 50m punishment. Keep the rest 👌

And handing the ball back, just set it on the ground if the guy is more than a metre away. If he's right at you, hand it over as its within arms length

Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 10, 2025, 09:40:42 PM

Quote from: Truthsayer on August 10, 2025, 08:44:54 PM

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Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 06:52:33 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2025, 05:39:56 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 05:32:45 PMTo what purpose?
To help bad teams?
??

To get close to the hype that was promised by FRC and all those in the media who was backing them and placing their trust in them.

No need to stick ones head in the sand. To have more better games in the knockout stages last year under the old rules was not a good look at all after the amount of change.

Tyrone, Meath kicking a lorry load of wides the fault of the new rules?
Galway and Dublin regressing?
Donegal getting so many things wrong in the Final?
 

So last year, bad games = rules are shite. This year bad games = teams are shite? Ok.

Last year nearly all club and county games were bad - this year majority of games good. New rules good 👍

It's a fair opinion to have but it doesn't mean that all of the rule changes have improved the game. It is possible that binning some of them would improve the game further.

Fair enough I just can't get my head around people who hark back to what we had last 10 years or so. Worst I ever seen and I remember back a right few decades!

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Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 06:52:33 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2025, 05:39:56 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 05:32:45 PMTo what purpose?
To help bad teams?
??

To get close to the hype that was promised by FRC and all those in the media who was backing them and placing their trust in them.

No need to stick ones head in the sand. To have more better games in the knockout stages last year under the old rules was not a good look at all after the amount of change.

Tyrone, Meath kicking a lorry load of wides the fault of the new rules?
Galway and Dublin regressing?
Donegal getting so many things wrong in the Final?
 

So last year, bad games = rules are shite. This year bad games = teams are shite? Ok.

Last year nearly all club and county games were bad - this year majority of games good. New rules good 👍

6 of the 7 biggest games (in the all ireland series) were all shite with the 3 biggest being shite.

You mean one-sided? It happens... we're not going back 😊
Which 6 games are you referring to?

3 out of 4 quarter finals, 2 semis and a final were not good games by any stretch of the imagination...

You're right I can't see us going back unfortunately.

They were one-sided. The All Ireland final last year was close and had about 5 minutes excitement at the end. An endurance test... #chess

If you take the blinkers off and the media spin, there was far more excitement in last years final, think there was less handpassing as well and probably similar amounts of lateral play, maybe even more this year.

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Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 06:52:33 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2025, 05:39:56 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2025, 05:32:45 PMTo what purpose?
To help bad teams?
??

To get close to the hype that was promised by FRC and all those in the media who was backing them and placing their trust in them.

No need to stick ones head in the sand. To have more better games in the knockout stages last year under the old rules was not a good look at all after the amount of change.

Tyrone, Meath kicking a lorry load of wides the fault of the new rules?
Galway and Dublin regressing?
Donegal getting so many things wrong in the Final?
 

So last year, bad games = rules are shite. This year bad games = teams are shite? Ok.

Last year nearly all club and county games were bad - this year majority of games good. New rules good 👍

6 of the 7 biggest games (in the all ireland series) were all shite with the 3 biggest being shite.

You mean one-sided? It happens... we're not going back 😊
Which 6 games are you referring to?

3 out of 4 quarter finals, 2 semis and a final were not good games by any stretch of the imagination...

You're right I can't see us going back unfortunately.

They were one-sided. The All Ireland final last year was close and had about 5 minutes excitement at the end. An endurance test... #chess

If you take the blinkers off and the media spin, there was far more excitement in last years final, think there was less handpassing as well and probably similar amounts of lateral play, maybe even more this year.

Media spin? Am well able to think for myself  :D now enjoying club games again as well.

The first half of last year's AI final was prime among the worst sport I've ever witnessed.

This year's game wasn't as tense but it was so much better to watch.

Significant factor which he may not admit to:

Down man watching Armagh win the All Ireland.

Quote from: thewobbler on August 10, 2025, 11:05:19 PMThe first half of last year's AI final was prime among the worst sport I've ever witnessed.

This year's game wasn't as tense but it was so much better to watch.

I'll second that. Nodded off twice in first half, albeit briefly, watching it at home. Was quite happy to see Armagh win but could have just tuned in for the last ten minutes.. 

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Quote from: thewobbler on August 10, 2025, 11:05:19 PMThe first half of last year's AI final was prime among the worst sport I've ever witnessed.

This year's game wasn't as tense but it was so much better to watch.

I'll second that. Nodded off twice in first half, albeit briefly, watching it at home. Was quite happy to see Armagh win but could have just tuned in for the last ten minutes.. 

Whereas this year you could have tuned in for the first 10 mins and you'd have seen everything. Was one of the most boring finals I remember in a long time

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Quote from: thewobbler on August 10, 2025, 11:05:19 PMThe first half of last year's AI final was prime among the worst sport I've ever witnessed.

This year's game wasn't as tense but it was so much better to watch.

I'll second that. Nodded off twice in first half, albeit briefly, watching it at home. Was quite happy to see Armagh win but could have just tuned in for the last ten minutes.. 

Whereas this year you could have tuned in for the first 10 mins and you'd have seen everything. Was one of the most boring finals I remember in a long time

I lasted 15 minutes!

2024 you had two counties that rarely win playing a tight, tense game because so much was at stake.  Yes I know it wasn't Harlem Globetrotters entertainment.  Nevertheless I did not nod off once.

If the GAA doesn't show some self restraint, I may view 2024 as the last All Ireland football championship.

It might be better if you would just change your handle to EoinWUM.

What specifically did people find boring about last years final?

Because if its prolonged periods of possession and lateral passing around the arc don't we still have that?

Indeed
2024: 1-11 to 0-13
2025: 1-26 to 0-19

Only problem with this year was Donegal played so poorly. 2024 an aberration apart from last few minutes excitement as it was close.

Quote from: trileacman on August 14, 2025, 09:16:41 AMWhat specifically did people find boring about last years final?

Because if its prolonged periods of possession and lateral passing around the arc don't we still have that?

Kerry didn't win

You're correct on the  lateral passing .  There was more of it  and more  handpasses this year than last. Move all the chess  pieces relentlessly , get the shooter in position, and  boom, a 2 pointer. 

Some of Clifford's 2  pointers  were good kicks ,  but is that  the best we can expect from  potentially the greatest player  ever to play the game? Some people are easily pleased.

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Quote from: trileacman on August 14, 2025, 09:16:41 AMWhat specifically did people find boring about last years final?

Because if its prolonged periods of possession and lateral passing around the arc don't we still have that?

Kerry didn't win

You're correct on the  lateral passing .  There was more of it  and more  handpasses this year than last. Move all the chess  pieces relentlessly , get the shooter in position, and  boom, a 2 pointer. 

Some of Clifford's 2  pointers  were good kicks ,  but is that  the best we can expect from  potentially the greatest player  ever to play the game? Some people are easily pleased.

In 9 games he scored 8-62, think he's potentially the best player we'll see

Who topped scored in championship this year?

Quote from: AustinPowers on August 14, 2025, 10:48:17 AM

Quote from: trileacman on August 14, 2025, 09:16:41 AMWhat specifically did people find boring about last years final?

Because if its prolonged periods of possession and lateral passing around the arc don't we still have that?

Kerry didn't win

You're correct on the  lateral passing .  There was more of it  and more  handpasses this year than last. Move all the chess  pieces relentlessly , get the shooter in position, and  boom, a 2 pointer. 

Some of Clifford's 2  pointers  were good kicks ,  but is that  the best we can expect from  potentially the greatest player  ever to play the game? Some people are easily pleased.

Did you not see the goals he scored this year? And points from play... previously he caught the ball and put his arm in the air to call for a mark. Now he plays a bit...

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Quote from: AustinPowers on August 14, 2025, 10:48:17 AM

Quote from: trileacman on August 14, 2025, 09:16:41 AMWhat specifically did people find boring about last years final?

Because if its prolonged periods of possession and lateral passing around the arc don't we still have that?

Kerry didn't win

You're correct on the  lateral passing .  There was more of it  and more  handpasses this year than last. Move all the chess  pieces relentlessly , get the shooter in position, and  boom, a 2 pointer. 

Some of Clifford's 2  pointers  were good kicks ,  but is that  the best we can expect from  potentially the greatest player  ever to play the game? Some people are easily pleased.

Did you not see the goals he scored this year? And points from play... previously he caught the ball and put his arm in the air to call for a mark. Now he plays a bit...

Most were only  against Cavan

2 minutes lateral passing , Clifford  trots around,  runs into position, has  the ball for a split second, 2 pointer.  He did that  numerous times, particularly  in the last 3 games.

He did get some really good other scores but that tactic  is basically  the game now , as it's the most profitable way  of playing. Galway did similar  with Walsh

 Is that really the best  way to show off the  best talents in the game? In my opinion , absolutely not. The two pointer  is an absolute abomination

Quote from: Truthsayer on August 14, 2025, 04:22:02 PM

Quote from: AustinPowers on August 14, 2025, 10:48:17 AM

Quote from: trileacman on August 14, 2025, 09:16:41 AMWhat specifically did people find boring about last years final?

Because if its prolonged periods of possession and lateral passing around the arc don't we still have that?

Kerry didn't win

You're correct on the  lateral passing .  There was more of it  and more  handpasses this year than last. Move all the chess  pieces relentlessly , get the shooter in position, and  boom, a 2 pointer. 

Some of Clifford's 2  pointers  were good kicks ,  but is that  the best we can expect from  potentially the greatest player  ever to play the game? Some people are easily pleased.

Did you not see the goals he scored this year? And points from play... previously he caught the ball and put his arm in the air to call for a mark. Now he plays a bit...

So get rid of the mark which was a shite rule in the first place...

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Quote from: Truthsayer on August 14, 2025, 04:22:02 PM

Quote from: AustinPowers on August 14, 2025, 10:48:17 AM

Quote from: trileacman on August 14, 2025, 09:16:41 AMWhat specifically did people find boring about last years final?

Because if its prolonged periods of possession and lateral passing around the arc don't we still have that?

Kerry didn't win

You're correct on the  lateral passing .  There was more of it  and more  handpasses this year than last. Move all the chess  pieces relentlessly , get the shooter in position, and  boom, a 2 pointer. 

Some of Clifford's 2  pointers  were good kicks ,  but is that  the best we can expect from  potentially the greatest player  ever to play the game? Some people are easily pleased.

Did you not see the goals he scored this year? And points from play... previously he caught the ball and put his arm in the air to call for a mark. Now he plays a bit...

Most were only  against Cavan

2 minutes lateral passing , Clifford  trots around,  runs into position, has  the ball for a split second, 2 pointer.  He did that  numerous times, particularly  in the last 3 games.

He did get some really good other scores but that tactic  is basically  the game now , as it's the most profitable way  of playing. Galway did similar  with Walsh

 Is that really the best  way to show off the  best talents in the game? In my opinion , absolutely not. The two pointer  is an absolute abomination

So his 8-62 were mainly against Cavan and having the ability to score from 40 plus meters is rubbish?

Not sure what you are pushing here, but go on

Joe Brolly on 2 pointers

https://archive.is/iSkZq

On Friday night in the Tyrone senior league, Dungannon beat Trillick 0-25 to 0-17. Trillick lost heavily, despite kicking the ball over the bar more times than Dungannon and playing the better football.
They lost because Dungannon have a two-point specialist, Paul Donaghy, who scored nine two-pointers. Dungannon's other scorers on the night managed 0-1 apiece. All of Trillick's scores, like Donegal's in the All-Ireland final, were one-pointers. Trillick put the ball over the bar 17 times. Dungannon put the ball over the bar just 16 times, yet beat Trillick by eight points, a humiliation in a game where Trillick were the better team.
Two-pointers are skewing the fairness of the contest. Knockmore played Balla in the first round of the Mayo senior championship and with a few minutes to go to half-time had built a five-point lead against a strong wind and a strong opposition. Then, Balla were awarded two frees in succession outside the 40-metre arc and floated them over in the gale. When the ref blew the half-time whistle there was only a point in it and it felt weird.
If a team is fortunate enough to have a two-point specialist, they now have an enormous advantage. A free 41 metres out is almost as good as a goal and far less bother. A free 41 metres out with a gale at your back is a cinch. If the referee moves the ball forward 50 metres for the ball not being handed back promptly or a remark by a player, then a two-point specialist can bring it back out to the 40-metre line and exact a scarcely fair punishment.
The two-point specialist in Mayo is Evan Regan, or Tony Yeboah as I call him, since his left foot reminds me of Yeboah's thunderous comic book volleys when he played for Leeds. In the Stephenites first-round game against Ballyhaunis, he scored five two-pointers, four in the first half with the wind, which killed the game.
For Evan, anywhere from 60 metres in is a straightforward putt. Outside of the boot, instep, it matters not. In an era when anything that might remotely be physical contact is a free, he is an extraordinary weapon, again skewing the natural balance of the contest.
I think back to when I was playing. Anthony Tohill, 6'5", built like Captain America, could sweep frees over the bar from 60 metres at his cush. If there had been two-pointers then, how many more games would we have won? How many championships? Or Bryan Sheehan, the Cahirsiveen phenomenon whose long frees were a fairground attraction.
Joe Brolly: Bad news for the rest is that Kerry look like they're just getting started
It is clear from this first season of the new rules that it is imperative to find and develop two-point specialists, like the kickers in American football. Teams at all levels that have such a kicker will have a huge advantage. An advantage that they do not have to earn in the traditional way — by playing better football than the opposition.
A two-point specialist, regardless of his general ability, is now absolutely worth it. It no longer matters if you are being outplayed. And if you have a gale-force wind blowing, then a two-point specialist can win the game in a single half.
Jim Gavin's rationale behind the two-point score was that it would draw defences out and force them to defend the 40-metre arc. I agree with this, but that rationale only extends to scores from play and 40 metres is too close for specialists. I would therefore keep the two-pointer from play but move it back five metres creating a 45-metre arc.
However, two-point frees are unjustifiable. Worse again is the option to move the free back out to the 40-metre arc when the referee has advanced the ball 50 metres. Again, this is a thoroughly unworked-for advantage. The normal principles of any sporting contest are fairness, that the scoring system broadly reflects the balance of the play, and that the scores are created/deserved. This does not apply to two-point frees, where a specialist kicker can and often does win the game on those alone.
In the All-Ireland final this year, Kerry had two two-point specialists. Donegal had none. In spite of the fact that Donegal kicked the ball over the bar the same number of times as Kerry, like Trillick on Friday night, they lost heavily. What would ordinarily have been a titanic contest was instead a terrible anti-climax because of those two-point specialists. Kerry advanced behind that spearhead, growing in confidence after every two-point dagger.
Under the traditional scoring system, the half-time score would have been 0-13 to 0-10. Instead it was 0-17 to 0-10. Crucially, however, Donegal were psychologically shattered by the two-pointers. Kerry scored six two-pointers. Donegal had none. Without those two-pointers the final score would have been 1-20 to 0-19, and do not forget that the Kerry goal came at the very end when Donegal had abandoned all hope.
The new rules have revived the corpse of Gaelic football. But when the scoring system does not broadly reflect the balance of play, when instead of being a fair contest it becomes a skills test for a small number of two-point specialists, what exactly is the point?

Imagine having the cheek to play skilled players.....
What next?
Team A had a very good goalkeeper who made a load of saves....

Quote from: dec on August 25, 2025, 03:33:08 PMJoe Brolly on 2 pointers

https://archive.is/iSkZq

On Friday night in the Tyrone senior league, Dungannon beat Trillick 0-25 to 0-17. Trillick lost heavily, despite kicking the ball over the bar more times than Dungannon and playing the better football.
They lost because Dungannon have a two-point specialist, Paul Donaghy, who scored nine two-pointers. Dungannon's other scorers on the night managed 0-1 apiece. All of Trillick's scores, like Donegal's in the All-Ireland final, were one-pointers. Trillick put the ball over the bar 17 times. Dungannon put the ball over the bar just 16 times, yet beat Trillick by eight points, a humiliation in a game where Trillick were the better team.
Two-pointers are skewing the fairness of the contest. Knockmore played Balla in the first round of the Mayo senior championship and with a few minutes to go to half-time had built a five-point lead against a strong wind and a strong opposition. Then, Balla were awarded two frees in succession outside the 40-metre arc and floated them over in the gale. When the ref blew the half-time whistle there was only a point in it and it felt weird.
If a team is fortunate enough to have a two-point specialist, they now have an enormous advantage. A free 41 metres out is almost as good as a goal and far less bother. A free 41 metres out with a gale at your back is a cinch. If the referee moves the ball forward 50 metres for the ball not being handed back promptly or a remark by a player, then a two-point specialist can bring it back out to the 40-metre line and exact a scarcely fair punishment.
The two-point specialist in Mayo is Evan Regan, or Tony Yeboah as I call him, since his left foot reminds me of Yeboah's thunderous comic book volleys when he played for Leeds. In the Stephenites first-round game against Ballyhaunis, he scored five two-pointers, four in the first half with the wind, which killed the game.
For Evan, anywhere from 60 metres in is a straightforward putt. Outside of the boot, instep, it matters not. In an era when anything that might remotely be physical contact is a free, he is an extraordinary weapon, again skewing the natural balance of the contest.
I think back to when I was playing. Anthony Tohill, 6'5", built like Captain America, could sweep frees over the bar from 60 metres at his cush. If there had been two-pointers then, how many more games would we have won? How many championships? Or Bryan Sheehan, the Cahirsiveen phenomenon whose long frees were a fairground attraction.
Joe Brolly: Bad news for the rest is that Kerry look like they're just getting started
It is clear from this first season of the new rules that it is imperative to find and develop two-point specialists, like the kickers in American football. Teams at all levels that have such a kicker will have a huge advantage. An advantage that they do not have to earn in the traditional way — by playing better football than the opposition.
A two-point specialist, regardless of his general ability, is now absolutely worth it. It no longer matters if you are being outplayed. And if you have a gale-force wind blowing, then a two-point specialist can win the game in a single half.
Jim Gavin's rationale behind the two-point score was that it would draw defences out and force them to defend the 40-metre arc. I agree with this, but that rationale only extends to scores from play and 40 metres is too close for specialists. I would therefore keep the two-pointer from play but move it back five metres creating a 45-metre arc.
However, two-point frees are unjustifiable. Worse again is the option to move the free back out to the 40-metre arc when the referee has advanced the ball 50 metres. Again, this is a thoroughly unworked-for advantage. The normal principles of any sporting contest are fairness, that the scoring system broadly reflects the balance of the play, and that the scores are created/deserved. This does not apply to two-point frees, where a specialist kicker can and often does win the game on those alone.
In the All-Ireland final this year, Kerry had two two-point specialists. Donegal had none. In spite of the fact that Donegal kicked the ball over the bar the same number of times as Kerry, like Trillick on Friday night, they lost heavily. What would ordinarily have been a titanic contest was instead a terrible anti-climax because of those two-point specialists. Kerry advanced behind that spearhead, growing in confidence after every two-point dagger.
Under the traditional scoring system, the half-time score would have been 0-13 to 0-10. Instead it was 0-17 to 0-10. Crucially, however, Donegal were psychologically shattered by the two-pointers. Kerry scored six two-pointers. Donegal had none. Without those two-pointers the final score would have been 1-20 to 0-19, and do not forget that the Kerry goal came at the very end when Donegal had abandoned all hope.
The new rules have revived the corpse of Gaelic football. But when the scoring system does not broadly reflect the balance of play, when instead of being a fair contest it becomes a skills test for a small number of two-point specialists, what exactly is the point?

Very strange comments from brolly. The 2 pointers were a big difference in the AI final but they were down to tactics more than individual skills. Donegal have several players well capable of kicking 2 pointers and had done in previous matches but had obviously decided they could get their scores more efficiently closer in. It seemed that Jim mcg had decided that shooting from outside the arc was too risky because there were a number of times donegal could've gone for it. As for Trillick I'd say they have a few players like lee brennan who could easily kick 2 pointers. It's down to management tactics whether or not they go for them but it can also be down to the defensive team not allowing the opportunities. I would say when trillick play dungannon in the championship paul donaghy will struggle to get close to tht number of 2 pointers. The rules are in their infancy so personally I'd like to see them stay for a couple of seasons at least before making too many more changes.

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In the All-Ireland final this year, Kerry had two two-point specialists. Donegal had none.

What a load of rubbish. There wasn't a better 2 point kicker in the league that Daire O'Baoill. Donegal had a specialist that could kick 2 points, but Jim dropped him.
And I suppose that Ciaran Thompson couldn't kick a 2 pointer either?

"a skills test for a small number of two-point specialists"

Brolly  has a point (for once).

That's essentially what  the game has become.

It's like  American football,  get to a position where  the likes of that Jude McAtamney fella  puts down his Game Boy, comes on   and kicks  a free.  Do that a few times  each game , and your  team  likely wins. You could have great throwers or runners. But nah, let's just  bring Jude on.

It's great when it works for you and shite when it doesn't

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Brolly  has a point (for once).

That's essentially what  the game has become.

It's like  American football,  get to a position where  the likes of that Jude McAtamney fella  puts down his Game Boy, comes on   and kicks  a free.  Do that a few times  each game , and your  team  likely wins. You could have great throwers or runners. But nah, let's just  bring Jude on.

When the new rules were being rolled out, the one I was most dubious about was the 2 pointer, for the simple reason that I didn't like idea that someone who has a naturally longer leg could enjoy such an advantage over those that do not.

But it's gone an awful lot better than expected. While it is easier to open up a lead,  I really like the fact that an 8 point advantage with 10 mins to go requires more thought than "protect the goal at all costs".

And you know what? People who could run more quickly, jump higher always had an advantage over those that couldn't. People with better balance and dexterity have always had an advantage over others. People on the psychotic edge of bravery have always had an advantage over others. So why would I get worried about a lad who kicks it further, enjoying an advantage?

Yep. Imagine giving out about a player who can kick the ball better than others in a game called FOOTball!!😲

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/0831/1530096-less-confrontation-more-action-rules-work-for-clubs/

Went to a game yesterday and there was a 3 uo breach. One team only had 2 forwards up, linesman was notified and looked right at it and it took him a good 15/20 seconds to call it. Why did it take so long to notify the ref? There wasn't another player within 15 metres of the halfway line so it's not like he was giving them a chance to get back. Surely call it straight away once you've seen it?

Quote from: thebigfullforward on August 31, 2025, 01:00:02 PMWent to a game yesterday and there was a 3 uo breach. One team only had 2 forwards up, linesman was notified and looked right at it and it took him a good 15/20 seconds to call it. Why did it take so long to notify the ref? There wasn't another player within 15 metres of the halfway line so it's not like he was giving them a chance to get back. Surely call it straight away once you've seen it?

Come and try it.. there's usually new ref's training every January.

Why is a sideline considered a free if a 45 is not?

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Quote from: thebigfullforward on August 31, 2025, 01:00:02 PMWent to a game yesterday and there was a 3 uo breach. One team only had 2 forwards up, linesman was notified and looked right at it and it took him a good 15/20 seconds to call it. Why did it take so long to notify the ref? There wasn't another player within 15 metres of the halfway line so it's not like he was giving them a chance to get back. Surely call it straight away once you've seen it?

Come and try it.. there's usually new ref's training every January.

It's a genuine question mate. If no-one can answer it's grand. I'd just like to know the reason. No need to be snarky about it

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Quote from: thebigfullforward on August 31, 2025, 01:00:02 PMWent to a game yesterday and there was a 3 uo breach. One team only had 2 forwards up, linesman was notified and looked right at it and it took him a good 15/20 seconds to call it. Why did it take so long to notify the ref? There wasn't another player within 15 metres of the halfway line so it's not like he was giving them a chance to get back. Surely call it straight away once you've seen it?

Come and try it.. there's usually new ref's training every January.

It's a genuine question mate. If no-one can answer it's grand. I'd just like to know the reason. No need to be snarky about it

It keeps being called wrongly with a man standing hiding behind the keeper or in the corner etc so maybe the Lino just double and triple checked before embarrassing him/herself

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Quote from: thebigfullforward on August 31, 2025, 01:00:02 PMWent to a game yesterday and there was a 3 uo breach. One team only had 2 forwards up, linesman was notified and looked right at it and it took him a good 15/20 seconds to call it. Why did it take so long to notify the ref? There wasn't another player within 15 metres of the halfway line so it's not like he was giving them a chance to get back. Surely call it straight away once you've seen it?

Come and try it.. there's usually new ref's training every January.

It's a genuine question mate. If no-one can answer it's grand. I'd just like to know the reason. No need to be snarky about it

You were the one being snarky, do you genuinely think they did it on purpose?

I've done countless Linesman jobs since this has come in, the amount of times people are calling for that rule is unbearable, it's not as clear cut as you think otherwise it would be easy!

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Quote from: thebigfullforward on August 31, 2025, 01:00:02 PMWent to a game yesterday and there was a 3 uo breach. One team only had 2 forwards up, linesman was notified and looked right at it and it took him a good 15/20 seconds to call it. Why did it take so long to notify the ref? There wasn't another player within 15 metres of the halfway line so it's not like he was giving them a chance to get back. Surely call it straight away once you've seen it?

Come and try it.. there's usually new ref's training every January.

It's a genuine question mate. If no-one can answer it's grand. I'd just like to know the reason. No need to be snarky about it

You were the one being snarky, do you genuinely think they did it on purpose?

I've done countless Linesman jobs since this has come in, the amount of times people are calling for that rule is unbearable, it's not as clear cut as you think otherwise it would be easy!

Where was I being snarky? I asked a genuine question.

I've done umpire a good bit this year and have been able to spot it. Granted easier to spot as umpire maybe but christ, if you have 2 neutral umpires, 2 neutral linesmen and a neutral ref how could it take 15 seconds to call it? At least it was able to be called unlike in the league when it was just let go (again not blaming the ref since you'll probably take that as an attack on a ref even though it's a disagreement with the rules in club league football). I just can't see how it would take so long to call and wonder what would it look like if it was the other way and the team had an extra attacker and got a score from it during those 15 seconds it wasn't called. Would it be ruled out or would they just let it go ahead?

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Quote from: thebigfullforward on August 31, 2025, 01:00:02 PMWent to a game yesterday and there was a 3 uo breach. One team only had 2 forwards up, linesman was notified and looked right at it and it took him a good 15/20 seconds to call it. Why did it take so long to notify the ref? There wasn't another player within 15 metres of the halfway line so it's not like he was giving them a chance to get back. Surely call it straight away once you've seen it?

Come and try it.. there's usually new ref's training every January.

It's a genuine question mate. If no-one can answer it's grand. I'd just like to know the reason. No need to be snarky about it

You were the one being snarky, do you genuinely think they did it on purpose?

I've done countless Linesman jobs since this has come in, the amount of times people are calling for that rule is unbearable, it's not as clear cut as you think otherwise it would be easy!

Where was I being snarky? I asked a genuine question.

I've done umpire a good bit this year and have been able to spot it. Granted easier to spot as umpire maybe but christ, if you have 2 neutral umpires, 2 neutral linesmen and a neutral ref how could it take 15 seconds to call it? At least it was able to be called unlike in the league when it was just let go (again not blaming the ref since you'll probably take that as an attack on a ref even though it's a disagreement with the rules in club league football). I just can't see how it would take so long to call and wonder what would it look like if it was the other way and the team had an extra attacker and got a score from it during those 15 seconds it wasn't called. Would it be ruled out or would they just let it go ahead?

I think you are exaggerating the 15 seconds as that's really long for starters, also umpires are not instructed to deal with the 3 4 rule either, they have enough to deal with, if the linesman isn't sure he'll take his time to get it right.

If it was so easy, we would not have any problems, but hey hoy every week it happens

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Quote from: thebigfullforward on August 31, 2025, 01:00:02 PMWent to a game yesterday and there was a 3 uo breach. One team only had 2 forwards up, linesman was notified and looked right at it and it took him a good 15/20 seconds to call it. Why did it take so long to notify the ref? There wasn't another player within 15 metres of the halfway line so it's not like he was giving them a chance to get back. Surely call it straight away once you've seen it?

Come and try it.. there's usually new ref's training every January.

It's a genuine question mate. If no-one can answer it's grand. I'd just like to know the reason. No need to be snarky about it

You were the one being snarky, do you genuinely think they did it on purpose?

I've done countless Linesman jobs since this has come in, the amount of times people are calling for that rule is unbearable, it's not as clear cut as you think otherwise it would be easy!

Where was I being snarky? I asked a genuine question.

I've done umpire a good bit this year and have been able to spot it. Granted easier to spot as umpire maybe but christ, if you have 2 neutral umpires, 2 neutral linesmen and a neutral ref how could it take 15 seconds to call it? At least it was able to be called unlike in the league when it was just let go (again not blaming the ref since you'll probably take that as an attack on a ref even though it's a disagreement with the rules in club league football). I just can't see how it would take so long to call and wonder what would it look like if it was the other way and the team had an extra attacker and got a score from it during those 15 seconds it wasn't called. Would it be ruled out or would they just let it go ahead?

I think you are exaggerating the 15 seconds as that's really long for starters, also umpires are not instructed to deal with the 3 4 rule either, they have enough to deal with, if the linesman isn't sure he'll take his time to get it right.

If it was so easy, we would not have any problems, but hey hoy every week it happens

The attacking teams umpires are doing f**k all when the ball is 60-70m away. They could easily call a 3 up rule breach.

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Quote from: thebigfullforward on August 31, 2025, 01:00:02 PMWent to a game yesterday and there was a 3 uo breach. One team only had 2 forwards up, linesman was notified and looked right at it and it took him a good 15/20 seconds to call it. Why did it take so long to notify the ref? There wasn't another player within 15 metres of the halfway line so it's not like he was giving them a chance to get back. Surely call it straight away once you've seen it?

Come and try it.. there's usually new ref's training every January.

It's a genuine question mate. If no-one can answer it's grand. I'd just like to know the reason. No need to be snarky about it

You were the one being snarky, do you genuinely think they did it on purpose?

I've done countless Linesman jobs since this has come in, the amount of times people are calling for that rule is unbearable, it's not as clear cut as you think otherwise it would be easy!

Where was I being snarky? I asked a genuine question.

I've done umpire a good bit this year and have been able to spot it. Granted easier to spot as umpire maybe but christ, if you have 2 neutral umpires, 2 neutral linesmen and a neutral ref how could it take 15 seconds to call it? At least it was able to be called unlike in the league when it was just let go (again not blaming the ref since you'll probably take that as an attack on a ref even though it's a disagreement with the rules in club league football). I just can't see how it would take so long to call and wonder what would it look like if it was the other way and the team had an extra attacker and got a score from it during those 15 seconds it wasn't called. Would it be ruled out or would they just let it go ahead?

I think you are exaggerating the 15 seconds as that's really long for starters, also umpires are not instructed to deal with the 3 4 rule either, they have enough to deal with, if the linesman isn't sure he'll take his time to get it right.

If it was so easy, we would not have any problems, but hey hoy every week it happens

The attacking teams umpires are doing f**k all when the ball is 60-70m away. They could easily call a 3 up rule breach.

They really couldnt, plenty of pitches as an umpire youd struggle to see the Big D never mind the half way line to make that call

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Quote from: thebigfullforward on August 31, 2025, 01:00:02 PMWent to a game yesterday and there was a 3 uo breach. One team only had 2 forwards up, linesman was notified and looked right at it and it took him a good 15/20 seconds to call it. Why did it take so long to notify the ref? There wasn't another player within 15 metres of the halfway line so it's not like he was giving them a chance to get back. Surely call it straight away once you've seen it?

Come and try it.. there's usually new ref's training every January.

It's a genuine question mate. If no-one can answer it's grand. I'd just like to know the reason. No need to be snarky about it

You were the one being snarky, do you genuinely think they did it on purpose?

I've done countless Linesman jobs since this has come in, the amount of times people are calling for that rule is unbearable, it's not as clear cut as you think otherwise it would be easy!

Where was I being snarky? I asked a genuine question.

I've done umpire a good bit this year and have been able to spot it. Granted easier to spot as umpire maybe but christ, if you have 2 neutral umpires, 2 neutral linesmen and a neutral ref how could it take 15 seconds to call it? At least it was able to be called unlike in the league when it was just let go (again not blaming the ref since you'll probably take that as an attack on a ref even though it's a disagreement with the rules in club league football). I just can't see how it would take so long to call and wonder what would it look like if it was the other way and the team had an extra attacker and got a score from it during those 15 seconds it wasn't called. Would it be ruled out or would they just let it go ahead?

I think you are exaggerating the 15 seconds as that's really long for starters, also umpires are not instructed to deal with the 3 4 rule either, they have enough to deal with, if the linesman isn't sure he'll take his time to get it right.

If it was so easy, we would not have any problems, but hey hoy every week it happens

The attacking teams umpires are doing f**k all when the ball is 60-70m away. They could easily call a 3 up rule breach.

So, they just shout in the mire of other shouts that are being called and the ref will distinguish that from the other shite?

Wise up.

Go out, try it, then come back to me

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Quote from: thebigfullforward on August 31, 2025, 01:00:02 PMWent to a game yesterday and there was a 3 uo breach. One team only had 2 forwards up, linesman was notified and looked right at it and it took him a good 15/20 seconds to call it. Why did it take so long to notify the ref? There wasn't another player within 15 metres of the halfway line so it's not like he was giving them a chance to get back. Surely call it straight away once you've seen it?

Come and try it.. there's usually new ref's training every January.

It's a genuine question mate. If no-one can answer it's grand. I'd just like to know the reason. No need to be snarky about it

You were the one being snarky, do you genuinely think they did it on purpose?

I've done countless Linesman jobs since this has come in, the amount of times people are calling for that rule is unbearable, it's not as clear cut as you think otherwise it would be easy!

Where was I being snarky? I asked a genuine question.

I've done umpire a good bit this year and have been able to spot it. Granted easier to spot as umpire maybe but christ, if you have 2 neutral umpires, 2 neutral linesmen and a neutral ref how could it take 15 seconds to call it? At least it was able to be called unlike in the league when it was just let go (again not blaming the ref since you'll probably take that as an attack on a ref even though it's a disagreement with the rules in club league football). I just can't see how it would take so long to call and wonder what would it look like if it was the other way and the team had an extra attacker and got a score from it during those 15 seconds it wasn't called. Would it be ruled out or would they just let it go ahead?

Fair play to an umpire that can see clearly the midfield line and call it confidently..

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Quote from: thebigfullforward on August 31, 2025, 01:00:02 PMWent to a game yesterday and there was a 3 uo breach. One team only had 2 forwards up, linesman was notified and looked right at it and it took him a good 15/20 seconds to call it. Why did it take so long to notify the ref? There wasn't another player within 15 metres of the halfway line so it's not like he was giving them a chance to get back. Surely call it straight away once you've seen it?

Come and try it.. there's usually new ref's training every January.

It's a genuine question mate. If no-one can answer it's grand. I'd just like to know the reason. No need to be snarky about it

You were the one being snarky, do you genuinely think they did it on purpose?

I've done countless Linesman jobs since this has come in, the amount of times people are calling for that rule is unbearable, it's not as clear cut as you think otherwise it would be easy!

Where was I being snarky? I asked a genuine question.

I've done umpire a good bit this year and have been able to spot it. Granted easier to spot as umpire maybe but christ, if you have 2 neutral umpires, 2 neutral linesmen and a neutral ref how could it take 15 seconds to call it? At least it was able to be called unlike in the league when it was just let go (again not blaming the ref since you'll probably take that as an attack on a ref even though it's a disagreement with the rules in club league football). I just can't see how it would take so long to call and wonder what would it look like if it was the other way and the team had an extra attacker and got a score from it during those 15 seconds it wasn't called. Would it be ruled out or would they just let it go ahead?

Fair play to an umpire that can see clearly the midfield line and call it confidently..

He doesn't have to see the midfield line clearly to call it. If he has any sense of depth perception (and as a f**king umpire I should hope he has) he'll be able to look out the field, recognise that 5 players and maybe the keeper are standing around the 45m to halfway line and that another 30m further on is the next defending player. Quite clearly a considerable distance away from the players who are standing close to the limit of where they should be.

He doesn't need to know that a player has made a marginal breach of the rule (because they're not to be punished anyway) but in those really clear examples where a player has forgotten that he is meant to be one of 3 up or 3 back and is miles into his own half then of the officiating team the umpires is one of the best placed to call it. Both linesmen and refs often have to turn away from the play, face the opposite direction to where the ball is and try and account for 4 defenders and 3 attackers. The umpire doesn't have to do that. We've invented a rule which requires the officiating team to have eyes in the back of their heads. 🙄

Look I think the 3v3 rule is a load of bollocks anyway so I don't know why I'm bothered but to say Umpires are too busy to call a 3v3 breach is just complete bullshit.

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Quote from: thebigfullforward on August 31, 2025, 01:00:02 PMWent to a game yesterday and there was a 3 uo breach. One team only had 2 forwards up, linesman was notified and looked right at it and it took him a good 15/20 seconds to call it. Why did it take so long to notify the ref? There wasn't another player within 15 metres of the halfway line so it's not like he was giving them a chance to get back. Surely call it straight away once you've seen it?

Come and try it.. there's usually new ref's training every January.

It's a genuine question mate. If no-one can answer it's grand. I'd just like to know the reason. No need to be snarky about it

You were the one being snarky, do you genuinely think they did it on purpose?

I've done countless Linesman jobs since this has come in, the amount of times people are calling for that rule is unbearable, it's not as clear cut as you think otherwise it would be easy!

Where was I being snarky? I asked a genuine question.

I've done umpire a good bit this year and have been able to spot it. Granted easier to spot as umpire maybe but christ, if you have 2 neutral umpires, 2 neutral linesmen and a neutral ref how could it take 15 seconds to call it? At least it was able to be called unlike in the league when it was just let go (again not blaming the ref since you'll probably take that as an attack on a ref even though it's a disagreement with the rules in club league football). I just can't see how it would take so long to call and wonder what would it look like if it was the other way and the team had an extra attacker and got a score from it during those 15 seconds it wasn't called. Would it be ruled out or would they just let it go ahead?

Fair play to an umpire that can see clearly the midfield line and call it confidently..

He doesn't have to see the midfield line clearly to call it. If he has any sense of depth perception (and as a f**king umpire I should hope he has) he'll be able to look out the field, recognise that 5 players and maybe the keeper are standing around the 45m to halfway line and that another 30m further on is the next defending player. Quite clearly a considerable distance away from the players who are standing close to the limit of where they should be.

He doesn't need to know that a player has made a marginal breach of the rule (because they're not to be punished anyway) but in those really clear examples where a player has forgotten that he is meant to be one of 3 up or 3 back and is miles into his own half then of the officiating team the umpires is one of the best placed to call it. Both linesmen and refs often have to turn away from the play, face the opposite direction to where the ball is and try and account for 4 defenders and 3 attackers. The umpire doesn't have to do that. We've invented a rule which requires the officiating team to have eyes in the back of their heads. 🙄

Look I think the 3v3 rule is a load of bollocks anyway so I don't know why I'm bothered but to say Umpires are too busy to call a 3v3 breach is just complete bullshit.

Yeah not sure how umpires are too busy to spot a 3 up breach. As said you aren't really doing much for the majority of the game and if it's an obvious case like the one I am referring too they could at least notify the linesman to check. It took 5 seconds for the player to notice the man he was marking was away up the pitch and from that point to when it was called I'd say another 10 seconds. It shouldn't even take the umpires, as I said the linesman was looking right at it for long enough. I'm not too fussed about it but it was just a genuine question why it took so long and it seems to have upset some people for some reason

It's upset you enough to post about

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I asked a genuine question. The only thing I asked was how did it take so long to call it or what reason would there be and suddenly people are getting upset over it. It was an obvious breach and I still haven't been given an answer. If you can't answer that's fine. No need to attack people over a question mate

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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 01, 2025, 08:42:03 AMIt's upset you enough to post about

I asked a genuine question. The only thing I asked was how did it take so long to call it or what reason would there be and suddenly people are getting upset over it. It was an obvious breach and I still haven't been given an answer. If you can't answer that's fine. No need to attack people over a question mate

You wont get a answer here the only people who can tell you are the officals that were involved.

Quote from: thebigfullforward on September 01, 2025, 08:48:28 AM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 01, 2025, 08:42:03 AMIt's upset you enough to post about

I asked a genuine question. The only thing I asked was how did it take so long to call it or what reason would there be and suddenly people are getting upset over it. It was an obvious breach and I still haven't been given an answer. If you can't answer that's fine. No need to attack people over a question mate

I'm not attacking, you keep saying it was obvious, obvious to you but not those that make the call, otherwise they'd have called it straight away. Management/subs/players and supporters call these things all game, and the vast majority of them are incorrect, its ok to take time and get it correct rather than get it wrong.

First game I did I called it wrong based on people 'notifying' me, ended up the player was getting some water at the sub bench!

Mountain out of a mole hill

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 01, 2025, 08:54:51 AM

Quote from: thebigfullforward on September 01, 2025, 08:48:28 AM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 01, 2025, 08:42:03 AMIt's upset you enough to post about

I asked a genuine question. The only thing I asked was how did it take so long to call it or what reason would there be and suddenly people are getting upset over it. It was an obvious breach and I still haven't been given an answer. If you can't answer that's fine. No need to attack people over a question mate

I'm not attacking, you keep saying it was obvious, obvious to you but not those that make the call, otherwise they'd have called it straight away. Management/subs/players and supporters call these things all game, and the vast majority of them are incorrect, its ok to take time and get it correct rather than get it wrong.

First game I did I called it wrong based on people 'notifying' me, ended up the player was getting some water at the sub bench!

Mountain out of a mole hill

There we go. Some sort of answer. How simple was that instead of going off on one the first time around. I'd still like to know the course of action if it was the attacking team and they got a score off it taking time to call. Be brought back and score ruled out surely?

Quote from: thebigfullforward on September 01, 2025, 10:09:42 AM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 01, 2025, 08:54:51 AM

Quote from: thebigfullforward on September 01, 2025, 08:48:28 AM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 01, 2025, 08:42:03 AMIt's upset you enough to post about

I asked a genuine question. The only thing I asked was how did it take so long to call it or what reason would there be and suddenly people are getting upset over it. It was an obvious breach and I still haven't been given an answer. If you can't answer that's fine. No need to attack people over a question mate

I'm not attacking, you keep saying it was obvious, obvious to you but not those that make the call, otherwise they'd have called it straight away. Management/subs/players and supporters call these things all game, and the vast majority of them are incorrect, its ok to take time and get it correct rather than get it wrong.

First game I did I called it wrong based on people 'notifying' me, ended up the player was getting some water at the sub bench!

Mountain out of a mole hill

There we go. Some sort of answer. How simple was that instead of going off on one the first time around. I'd still like to know the course of action if it was the attacking team and they got a score off it taking time to call. Be brought back and score ruled out surely?

Part of the delay is probably due to the fact that the linesman has to make sure that the defending team has 13 players back in defence. In a defensive position and them all running around it's bound to be hard to do.

Looking up the pitch and seeing only 2 players along the halfway line isn't enough. The missing player could be on the far sideline getting treatment, talking to a coach or behind the goals or past the end line doing the same.

Quote from: thebigfullforward on September 01, 2025, 10:09:42 AM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 01, 2025, 08:54:51 AM

Quote from: thebigfullforward on September 01, 2025, 08:48:28 AM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 01, 2025, 08:42:03 AMIt's upset you enough to post about

I asked a genuine question. The only thing I asked was how did it take so long to call it or what reason would there be and suddenly people are getting upset over it. It was an obvious breach and I still haven't been given an answer. If you can't answer that's fine. No need to attack people over a question mate

I'm not attacking, you keep saying it was obvious, obvious to you but not those that make the call, otherwise they'd have called it straight away. Management/subs/players and supporters call these things all game, and the vast majority of them are incorrect, its ok to take time and get it correct rather than get it wrong.

First game I did I called it wrong based on people 'notifying' me, ended up the player was getting some water at the sub bench!

Mountain out of a mole hill

There we go. Some sort of answer. How simple was that instead of going off on one the first time around. I'd still like to know the course of action if it was the attacking team and they got a score off it taking time to call. Be brought back and score ruled out surely?

In my clubs opening championship game we had a goal chalked off for not having enough men back and the opposition got a 14 yard free. Went from thinking we were 1 point down to being 5 points down. Felt very harsh at the time and I would like to see it again but the camera angle wasn't looking back up the pitch so will just have to trust the linesman I suppose. Also it helps that we ended up winning the game  ;D 

There ye go a leanaí.....

https://www.gaa.ie/article/football-review-committee-publishes-final-report

There where we go. Be an interesting 4 years. Glad they didn't recommend going back to a 4 point goal.

From the Examiner

"Gaelic football championship attendances jumped by 20% year-on-year, according to the Football Review Committee's (FRC) final report.

As Central Council are to hear on Saturday that the costs of running the FRC were approximately €300,000, over 1,000,000 people (1.029 million) went to the provincial and All-Ireland matches in 2025 when the new rules were operative compared to 858,459 in 2024, a difference of 171,504.

That followed a 25% jump in recorded National Football League attendances this season from 2024. A total of 510,697 adults went to league fixtures, up 131,520 from 2024.

The GAA's financial accounts are expected to show close to €20m was reaped in Sam Maguire and Tailteann Cup gate receipts after €18.279m was earned in 2024. They will also demonstrate over €5m was accrued from the NFL this year. The year previous, the figure was €4.628m.

The drive in league gate receipts owed to the interest and attractiveness of the rules as well as the decision to charge juveniles (U16s) €5 into games this year when they were previously allowed in for free. Almost 100,000 (97,858) juveniles attended football's secondary competition.

In June, GAA president Jarlath Burns revealed that attendances for the group stages of the All-Ireland SFC were up 21% on 2024. Anecdotally, several county boards are reported larger attendances at recent football championship games putting them down to the experimental rules, which could be made permanent at next month's Special Congress."

The section in the FRC Report on the difference in cards over the course of the season is stark.

I knew from watching games discipline had improved drastically but this is absolutely super stuff.

A 68% reduction in straight reds, a 55% reduction in two card reds, a 33% reduction in yellows, a 31% reduction in blacks under the new rules.

Hurling by comparison is just a clusterfuck in terms of the rules - it's a shame to see the state of the game currently where the dirtiest nastiest individuals get away with so much cheating and the honest clean players get disadvantaged.

Only taken a very quick scan through the report but the data provided in it, absolutely destroys the notion that some on here were trying to convey that there was anything close to a 50/50 split in terms of the popularity of the new rules.

The overwhelming positive responses in relation to playing, coaching and reffing at club level completely expose those who said the rules would be unworkable or a nightmare at club level as being completely wrong.

Epic game last night in Tyrone championship Coalisland v Eglish. Supporters hailing the new rules. The game has been saved.

Proposed amendments as far as I can see -
*Defender touching ball kicked from outside arch- to be 2 points
*Kickouts must go outside 20
*Free for encroaching before throw in
* solo and go to be no more than 4m from where foul occurred
* game ends when hooter goes unless ball is in flight or a free/sideline/45 to be taken
* free for delaying kick out or kick from a mark.
* black card/penalty for jersey pull preventing a goal chance.

Was at a game last night and the frustration of players management and supporters is getting worse..

The amount of times that people didn't realise the new rules, understand them or frustrated at how the rules are applied  more by one ref and others did it differently..

Now that we are in the championship season, that's where's it's being more vocal on the line and over the line in comparison to the leagues

So when you add in the ordinary application of the old rules and then the new rules!

While amendments can help, its another slight change that throws a few teams going forward

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 05, 2025, 12:33:11 PMWas at a game last night and the frustration of players management and supporters is getting worse..

The amount of times that people didn't realise the new rules, understand them or frustrated at how the rules are applied  more by one ref and others did it differently..

Now that we are in the championship season, that's where's it's being more vocal on the line and over the line in comparison to the leagues

So when you add in the ordinary application of the old rules and then the new rules!

While amendments can help, its another slight change that throws a few teams going forward

How much of that is rules understanding or just folk being arses - they'd have given off under the old rules.

I'd love county boards (yes I know that is clubs reps) to find a way of fining clubs for abuse/excessive interaction off officials from any source inside the ground

Quote from: BigGreenField on September 05, 2025, 01:38:29 PM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 05, 2025, 12:33:11 PMWas at a game last night and the frustration of players management and supporters is getting worse..

The amount of times that people didn't realise the new rules, understand them or frustrated at how the rules are applied  more by one ref and others did it differently..

Now that we are in the championship season, that's where's it's being more vocal on the line and over the line in comparison to the leagues

So when you add in the ordinary application of the old rules and then the new rules!

While amendments can help, its another slight change that throws a few teams going forward

How much of that is rules understanding or just folk being arses - they'd have given off under the old rules.

I'd love county boards (yes I know that is clubs reps) to find a way of fining clubs for abuse/excessive interaction off officials from any source inside the ground

I can understand the frustrations, I played/managed/supported, so I get it. But, levels of abuse has risen and knowledge of the new rules is a factor in this.

Thick ape who doesn't know the rules abuses Ref.

Some things never change.

Regarding the backourt rule what would the craic be if the ball is kicked out past the halfway line and it's broken back into the teams own half? Would seem a bit harsh to punish that

Quote from: Rossfan on September 05, 2025, 09:10:14 AMFrom the Examiner

"Gaelic football championship attendances jumped by 20% year-on-year, according to the Football Review Committee's (FRC) final report.

As Central Council are to hear on Saturday that the costs of running the FRC were approximately €300,000, over 1,000,000 people (1.029 million) went to the provincial and All-Ireland matches in 2025 when the new rules were operative compared to 858,459 in 2024, a difference of 171,504.

That followed a 25% jump in recorded National Football League attendances this season from 2024. A total of 510,697 adults went to league fixtures, up 131,520 from 2024.

The GAA's financial accounts are expected to show close to €20m was reaped in Sam Maguire and Tailteann Cup gate receipts after €18.279m was earned in 2024. They will also demonstrate over €5m was accrued from the NFL this year. The year previous, the figure was €4.628m.

The drive in league gate receipts owed to the interest and attractiveness of the rules as well as the decision to charge juveniles (U16s) €5 into games this year when they were previously allowed in for free. Almost 100,000 (97,858) juveniles attended football's secondary competition.

In June, GAA president Jarlath Burns revealed that attendances for the group stages of the All-Ireland SFC were up 21% on 2024. Anecdotally, several county boards are reported larger attendances at recent football championship games putting them down to the experimental rules, which could be made permanent at next month's Special Congress."

Someone is going to have to explain the maths for me here.

Attendances at the national league increased 25% yet income only increased by about half a million nearly all of which can be accounted for by the decision to charge under 16's. Something is not quite adding up there.

Quote from: thebigfullforward on September 05, 2025, 05:10:52 PMRegarding the backourt rule what would the craic be if the ball is kicked out past the halfway line and it's broken back into the teams own half? Would seem a bit harsh to punish that

It'd be like the volleyed hand pass goal. Or the back pass in soccer.

QuoteRegarding the backourt rule what would the craic be if the ball is kicked out past the halfway line and it's broken back into the teams own half? Would seem a bit harsh to punish that

Don't  worry. Jim has  everything under control

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Problem with rules it takes time for general supporters watching an odd game to get used to them. Keeping adding rules each year will just turn people of games. Is the drag down on a goal scoring opportunity still apply? Haven't seen it this Yr?

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 06, 2025, 02:53:11 AMProblem with rules it takes time for general supporters watchingban odd game to get used to them. Keeping adding rules each year will just turn people of games. Is the drag down on a goal scoring opportunity still apply? Haven't seen it this Yr?

I thought it didn't but the latest FRC proposal was to add it back in

Its getting worse🙄.

Don't bring in new rules because thick apes who go to 3 games a year can't keep up and will stop going to games!!!

What other sport brings in constant rules changes every year? Name 1 sport?. 3 games,is about Roscommon average stay in the championship anyway!

Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2025, 09:12:35 AMIts getting worse🙄.

Don't bring in new rules because thick apes who go to 3 games a year can't keep up and will stop going to games!!!

Dad has been going to games all his life. 15 league games every year. The odd neutral league game if it's on a different day. Every senior Championship game he can get to and a few minor games too. Plus whatever football is on the tele. Can't fully understand the new rules.

It isn't just people going to 1 or 2 county games a year and that's it. It's also older people who go to every club league game, Championship game or whatever that can't get to grips with them. Not sure how many times I've had to explain the rules to various older people

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 06, 2025, 11:16:11 AMWhat other sport brings in constant rules changes every year? Name 1 sport?. 3 games,is about Roscommon average stay in the championship anyway!

Can't think of any sport that changes as much. This year rules changes got hyped to the heavens fronted by the "saviour" himself Jim Gavin and the national media did their bit.  The novelty factor meant It increased crowds at a matches as people wanted to see what all this hype was about.

League was the usually mixed bag with good,average and poor games.  Division two decided to embrace scoring over any defending the most.

The much criticized provincial championships that the powers to be will eventually change it to lose all importance had a good,competitive Ulster,Connacht and Leinster finals. The Munster final in all but name was played in the semi final, another good game that whereby Kerry needed extra time to overcome Cork.

The group format had plenty of good games however that format is gone now because of a lack of "jeopardy" and another example of the constant changes HQ make.

One thing I don't see getting much if any mention in that long FRC report was how the Knock out All-Ireland series played out.  That was the stage of the championship whereby any new rules are to be judged fully.

Those matches was mainly bland or non competitive contests.  I don't see anything in the planned adjustments that will address that situation and prevent the same from happening in 2026.

Well done to Jim Gavin and his team for saving Gaelic Football. Club Championship is now also a joy to behold after Jimmy McGuinness and Mickey Harte and a band of copycats tried to destroy it. All hail Jim 🙌 🙏

Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 06, 2025, 04:03:49 PM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 06, 2025, 11:16:11 AMWhat other sport brings in constant rules changes every year? Name 1 sport?. 3 games,is about Roscommon average stay in the championship anyway!

Can't think of any sport that changes as much. This year rules changes got hyped to the heavens fronted by the "saviour" himself Jim Gavin and the national media did their bit.  The novelty factor meant It increased crowds at a matches as people wanted to see what all this hype was about.

League was the usually mixed bag with good,average and poor games.  Division two decided to embrace scoring over any defending the most.

The much criticized provincial championships that the powers to be will eventually change it to lose all importance had a good,competitive Ulster,Connacht and Leinster finals. The Munster final in all but name was played in the semi final, another good game that whereby Kerry needed extra time to overcome Cork.

The group format had plenty of good games however that format is gone now because of a lack of "jeopardy" and another example of the constant changes HQ make.

One thing I don't see getting much if any mention in that long FRC report was how the Knock out All-Ireland series played out.  That was the stage of the championship whereby any new rules are to be judged fully.

Those matches was mainly bland or non competitive contests.  I don't see anything in the planned adjustments that will address that situation and prevent the same from happening in 2026.

Hard to disagree with  any of that, CO.

Quote from: Truthsayer on September 06, 2025, 05:05:43 PMWell done to Jim Gavin and his team for saving Gaelic Football. Club Championship is now also a joy to behold after Jimmy McGuinness and Mickey Harte and a band of copycats tried to destroy it. All hail Jim 🙌 🙏

Jim Galvin for president!   ;D 

It seems the new rules and the lack of knowledge of them is having a detrimental impact on a lot of games at this time of year. The league decider in Fermanagh, the championship match in Mayo even a championship match I was at today.

I just find it strange that there are plenty who are quick to hail the new rules but say very little about the poor games that are still quite common and say nothing about the devastating impact that incorrect implementation of the rules can have on teams seasons.

Quote from: David McKeown on September 06, 2025, 06:54:32 PMIt seems the new rules and the lack of knowledge of them is having a detrimental impact on a lot of games at this time of year. The league decider in Fermanagh, the championship match in Mayo even a championship match I was at today.

I just find it strange that there are plenty who are quick to hail the new rules but say very little about the poor games that are still quite common and say nothing about the devastating impact that incorrect implementation of the rules can have on teams seasons.

There isn't any doubt that there is still some confusion and learning but you can have all the rules you want, if the skill level or willingness to embrace the attacking aspects of football aren't taken up then that's not the fault of the rules.

It's clear as day that they are a success in entertainment value alone and in freeing up scoring forwards to at least get shots away.

Quote from: David McKeown on September 06, 2025, 06:54:32 PMIt seems the new rules and the lack of knowledge of them is having a detrimental impact on a lot of games at this time of year. The league decider in Fermanagh, the championship match in Mayo even a championship match I was at today.

I just find it strange that there are plenty who are quick to hail the new rules but say very little about the poor games that are still quite common and say nothing about the devastating impact that incorrect implementation of the rules can have on teams seasons.

The 2pt one is the biggest one causing problems, ones given that shouldn't and not given when should. I worry that with Fermanagh ordering he replay that the precedent has been set. Given how easily club players are pinging them over be better just binning the 2pter. The 3 up is creating more space and chances, no need for the 2pter

Move 2pointers to outside 45 (no arc needed). Linesmen  to stand on the 45 and monitor 3up.  Referee to "help" with close line ball decisions.

Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 06, 2025, 07:20:06 PMMove 2pointers to outside 45 (no arc needed). Linesmen  to stand on the 45 and monitor 3up.  Referee to "help" with close line ball decisions.

You don't understand the psychology of the 2 pointer and it's affect on defence if you do that. Plus you will still have lads on the borderline as to were they behind the line.

Instead of fancy lines - make the grass darker inside the arc. Shake a bit of sulphate of Iron on it.


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The 2 pointer has changed football for the better.

Yes like our AI final this year, it's possible for a team to build up a lead they perhaps don't deserve.

But it also means they can't just put a 12 man wall in front of their goal in the closing stages. But they still have to win individual battles through to the bitter end, otherwise 2 kicks of a ball can't kill them. And I don't think Kerry have gotten enough credit for how they won the individual battles that day. Right to the end.

Ah sure when you have posters saying the new rules were brought in so Kerry could win the AI......🙄

Quote from: From the Bunker on September 06, 2025, 06:27:22 PM

Quote from: Truthsayer on September 06, 2025, 05:05:43 PMWell done to Jim Gavin and his team for saving Gaelic Football. Club Championship is now also a joy to behold after Jimmy McGuinness and Mickey Harte and a band of copycats tried to destroy it. All hail Jim 🙌 🙏

Jim Galvin for president!   ;D 

They could do worse though the FF ticket not a good look. Keep Jim on the rules Catherine Connolly for President 🙌

Quote from: Antrim on September 06, 2025, 07:04:16 PM

Quote from: David McKeown on September 06, 2025, 06:54:32 PMIt seems the new rules and the lack of knowledge of them is having a detrimental impact on a lot of games at this time of year. The league decider in Fermanagh, the championship match in Mayo even a championship match I was at today.

I just find it strange that there are plenty who are quick to hail the new rules but say very little about the poor games that are still quite common and say nothing about the devastating impact that incorrect implementation of the rules can have on teams seasons.

There isn't any doubt that there is still some confusion and learning but you can have all the rules you want, if the skill level or willingness to embrace the attacking aspects of football aren't taken up then that's not the fault of the rules.

It's clear as day that they are a success in entertainment value alone and in freeing up scoring forwards to at least get shots away.

I don't agree that more scores equals more entertainment. The knock out stages of this years championship were less entertaining than last years for me. Yes there were some excellent games this year but there were excellent games last year too.  I do think though there was a media hyping that chose to ignore that. The Connacht final was a great example of that. The 2024 final had more scores, more lead changes, more scoring chances and finished closer yet there was considerable reporting that the 2025 final was somehow brilliant and 2024 wasn't. I also think we don't have a large enough sample size. I imagine as the rules settle and teams get used to them and properly adapt we will see whether or not the new rules will have improved the game. There is certainly potential there but equally there's potential there for them to spoil the game.

I think a number of club championship games I've seen this year have been spoiled by the rules as clubs seem to forgo playing for points and instead focus on shooting from distance leading to long boring passages were teams try to create space outside the arc.

I'd interested to see what the next few years bring.

Quote from: David McKeown on September 06, 2025, 10:35:36 PM

Quote from: Antrim on September 06, 2025, 07:04:16 PM

Quote from: David McKeown on September 06, 2025, 06:54:32 PMIt seems the new rules and the lack of knowledge of them is having a detrimental impact on a lot of games at this time of year. The league decider in Fermanagh, the championship match in Mayo even a championship match I was at today.

I just find it strange that there are plenty who are quick to hail the new rules but say very little about the poor games that are still quite common and say nothing about the devastating impact that incorrect implementation of the rules can have on teams seasons.

There isn't any doubt that there is still some confusion and learning but you can have all the rules you want, if the skill level or willingness to embrace the attacking aspects of football aren't taken up then that's not the fault of the rules.

It's clear as day that they are a success in entertainment value alone and in freeing up scoring forwards to at least get shots away.

I don't agree that more scores equals more entertainment. The knock out stages of this years championship were less entertaining than last years for me. Yes there were some excellent games this year but there were excellent games last year too.  I do think though there was a media hyping that chose to ignore that. The Connacht final was a great example of that. The 2024 final had more scores, more lead changes, more scoring chances and finished closer yet there was considerable reporting that the 2025 final was somehow brilliant and 2024 wasn't. I also think we don't have a large enough sample size. I imagine as the rules settle and teams get used to them and properly adapt we will see whether or not the new rules will have improved the game. There is certainly potential there but equally there's potential there for them to spoil the game.

I think a number of club championship games I've seen this year have been spoiled by the rules as clubs seem to forgo playing for points and instead focus on shooting from distance leading to long boring passages were teams try to create space outside the arc.

I'd interested to see what the next few years bring.

I think most should know the score-line alone isn't the only measure of the quality of the spectacle.

For example if Association football introduced 3-4 rule with a penalty for breaking it and if there were two goals for a shot outside the box, score-lines would go through the roof however would it be a better game?

At a few club championship games recently; the wind is now really critical. Even a minimal amount either increases or decreases the option for 2-pointers, Playing with the wind now requires a substantial lead at half-time

Another brilliant game in the Tyrone Intermediate championship just over. Beragh 1-18 Drumquin 1-18.
Beragh 10 points down came back to go one up Drumquin scored a 2- pointer and Beragh equalise last kick.
These awful new rules... eh? 8)

Excellent second game in Tyrone Intermediate championship: HT: Clonoe 0-9 v Greencastle 0-10.
Fast flowing, great point taking... "pulsating" says the commentator.
I love me county - I love the new rules.

No you don't.
Sure Donegal lost the AIF and Meath and Tyrone got well bet in the Semis!!

Quote from: Rossfan on September 07, 2025, 03:26:02 PMNo you don't.
Sure Donegal lost the AIF and Meath and Tyrone got well bet in the Semis!!

When you win this year's minor and U20 All Ireland finals... and the best club championships.. not hard to love ❤️

Quote from: Truthsayer on September 07, 2025, 02:26:59 PMAnother brilliant game in the Tyrone Intermediate championship just over. Beragh 1-18 Drumquin 1-18.
Beragh 10 points down came back to go one up Drumquin scored a 2- pointer and Beragh equalise last kick.
These awful new rules... eh? 8)

Tyrone club football was always brilliant to watch regardless of the rules.

A 144 page Final Report from FRC.

GPA survey of players:
94% of county players feel new rules have "improved their playing experience".
2:6% says have "worsened it"
... space, freedom of expression, general enjoyment, the speed and intensity of games and the reward for risk-taking were among the themes that appeared most frequently in player responses.

https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/players-overwhelmingly-back-permanent-introduction-of-new-gaelic-football-rules-WRSUD4UH4NGPHP5HM7CPEXIJTU/

They should have surveyed the GAA Board members  :D

I was set against the rules at the start, that was purely from the selfish view of the change in how teh game was being ref'd..

There are some aspects that infuriate me but by in large its a thumbs up

The punishment for breaking the halfway line is too much, a simple free and loss of possession would be enough, it still keeps players in their own half

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2025/10/01/sean-moran-footballs-frc-awakening-has-to-be-a-process-not-a-destination/

The final report includes a number of recommendations, including a ground-breaking suggestion to limit hand-passing for under-15s by requiring the recipient of a hand pass to kick the ball.
This was a response to the relentless rise of the hand pass to kick pass ratio this season, from 3:4 to 4:4, despite hopes that the new rules would lead to fewer hand passes, as the benefits of quick-transfer, kick passing became more evident.

Paul Earley, the GAA's first modern AFL export, was recently enthusing on social media about the AFL semi-finals two weeks ago and giving the GAA something to ponder.
"Brilliant kicking, marking, tackling and only using the hand pass to get out of trouble or to transfer to a running player. Both games very close until the last 10 mins. Have watched lots of the games this year and last year and they have been fantastic ... They tweak the rules regularly to maintain the values and fundamentals of the game."

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 01, 2025, 02:27:25 PMThe punishment for breaking the halfway line is too much, a simple free and loss of possession would be enough, it still keeps players in their own half

This wouldn't be enough if the team breaking the halfway line don't have the ball and the opposition are inside the defensive half.

What the hell is wrong with the hand pass that the GAA constantly wants to limit it, a poor handpass is as likely to lead to a turnover as a poor kick pass whilst allowing the game to flow and players attack quickly. If the popular consensus is that the game is now a better spectacle and better to play in and more fun for the referees why make a fundamental untested change at under 15 level.

Another proposed change concerns the throw-in, with players who encroach inside the 45m line before the referee throws in the ball being penalised with a free-kick on the halfway line to the opposing team.
Good luck to referees being able to see if and who amongst the midfielder behind them and the 12 half forwards and backs on the oppossing 45s is encroaching.   

Anyone know when was fkn handpassing first introduced ?

Quote from: GTP on October 01, 2025, 02:56:09 PM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 01, 2025, 02:27:25 PMThe punishment for breaking the halfway line is too much, a simple free and loss of possession would be enough, it still keeps players in their own half

This wouldn't be enough if the team breaking the halfway line don't have the ball and the opposition are inside the defensive half.

Quote from: GTP on October 01, 2025, 02:56:09 PM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 01, 2025, 02:27:25 PMThe punishment for breaking the halfway line is too much, a simple free and loss of possession would be enough, it still keeps players in their own half

This wouldn't be enough if the team breaking the halfway line don't have the ball and the opposition are inside the defensive half.   

The ref can play advantage though, see it through and then bring it back

Good point on advantage - Could also have an option of the free being given from where the ball was when awarded or halfway. Doubt they will add any further enhancements to the enhancements so we will never know.

Quote from: Rossfan on October 01, 2025, 03:01:49 PMAnyone know when was fkn handpassing first introduced ?

The 1970 all Ireland had very little handpassing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50O7ZV94lLM
So I would assume that either Dublin or Kerry introduced handpassing in the 70s

Quote from: seafoid on October 01, 2025, 05:29:13 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on October 01, 2025, 03:01:49 PMAnyone know when was fkn handpassing first introduced ?

The 1970 all Ireland had very little handpassing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50O7ZV94lLM
So I would assume that either Dublin or Kerry introduced handpassing in the 70s

I'd say Dubs. Was pure basketball albeit they were brilliant at it..

It was prevalent in the 1940s, was abolished early 50s.

Quote from: Rossfan on October 01, 2025, 06:47:50 PMIt was prevalent in the 1940s, was abolished early 50s.

Antrim were the masters of it in the 40's and 50's they were unlucky in a few semi final's during that period, the pesky northern teams at it again..

Think it was stopped for a period by a motion from Kerry  ;)

The GAA is trying to get the ratio of handpasses to kicks down. It rose again last year.
They are going to change it at under 15 level. One handpass followed by one kick. It's impossible to change at senior level.

Quote from: seafoid on October 02, 2025, 11:20:00 AMThe GAA is trying to get the ratio of handpasses to kicks down. It rose again last year.
They are going to change it at under 15 level. One handpass followed by one kick. It's impossible to change at senior level.

Why not just get rid of hand pass unless its a volley?

They tried that in 1995 nfl season, didn't really work

I think it was '81 when the handpass was phased out in the rulebook. It became the punch-pass. Then it came back in the late 80s.

Punch pass from c 1950 to 1974.
Then the abomination was reintroduced.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/1004/1536804-football-changes-sail-into-gaa-rule-book/?fbclid=IwdGRjcANN8S5jbGNrA03w0GV4dG4DYWVtAjExAAEe35TQ55NerqYV_IB29fdVUD-Jxt-MNWilb1BI8U4GVmM2Ev7rzfIdVPb_dxA_aem_zQ9hh1Wnvq4LX-Ap5UXMMQ

Surprised they went through so easily especially given the discontent over the 2 point arc and the kickout rules especially now in the midst of Club Championship.

The slight change about breaking the line from a sideline ball is funny cause loads of refs were getting that wrong as it was

Hope the 7 "dump the lot" posters can cope....

Quote from: Brendan on October 04, 2025, 01:25:30 PMhttps://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/1004/1536804-football-changes-sail-into-gaa-rule-book/?fbclid=IwdGRjcANN8S5jbGNrA03w0GV4dG4DYWVtAjExAAEe35TQ55NerqYV_IB29fdVUD-Jxt-MNWilb1BI8U4GVmM2Ev7rzfIdVPb_dxA_aem_zQ9hh1Wnvq4LX-Ap5UXMMQ

Surprised they went through so easily especially given the discontent over the 2 point arc and the kickout rules especially now in the midst of Club Championship.

The slight change about breaking the line from a sideline ball is funny cause loads of refs were getting that wrong as it was

Why are you surprised?

FRC was put in place by HQ with lots of time and money put in.  Any debate wasn't expected as Congress have been convinced everything is hunky dory.

Ringing endorsement from players 94%... no objections from clubs going to County Committees...
So apart from some disgruntled GAA Board members... 🤷
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gpa-survey-shows-94pc-of-inter-county-footballers-say-new-rules-have-improved-the-game/a720809981.html