It could be Bertie vs Mary Lou! ;D
Bertie would be a great President, I am sure he would help small businesses in their Crusade against The Cashless Society™️
Sean Kelly ex Uachtarán CLG seeking the blueshirt nomination but seems Mairèad McGuinness favourite currently.
Joe Duffy ruled himself out thankfully, while the McGregor yoke is highly unlikely to get anyone to nominate him, other than Mattie McGrath or the ge 2 Aontú TDs.
I couldn't imagine Peadar Toibin nominating McGregor. I've a few quid on Nick Delahunty at 25/1. He might have trouble getting nominating but if he does he could prove a good protest vote at the establishment parties.
Is that the bolx who had a poster up saying "make crime illegal"???
The current odds.
Mairead McGuinness 5/4
Catherine Connolly 6/1
Bertie Ahern 10/1
Sean Kelly 10/1
Mary Lou McDonald 10/1
Mary Hanafin 10/1
Barry Andrews 14/1
Mike Ryan 14/1
Any chance McGuinness would ditch the glasses. She looks like a cranky school teacher with them. I would never vote for that,
Quote from: Dag Dog on July 07, 2025, 05:14:48 PMAny chance McGuinness would ditch the glasses. She looks like a cranky school teacher with them. I would never vote for that,
You're saying there's a chance.
Quote from: Sportacus on July 07, 2025, 05:51:46 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on July 07, 2025, 05:14:48 PMAny chance McGuinness would ditch the glasses. She looks like a cranky school teacher with them. I would never vote for that,
You're saying there's a chance.
I think it's a lost cause. She'd have become so owl-faced from a lifetime of scowling through her specs. If she ditched them, she'd look odd.
Mick Wallace not ruling out a bid.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 08, 2025, 04:35:59 PMMick Wallace not ruling out a bid.
is Putin sending him the required funds?
Quote from: armaghniac on July 08, 2025, 07:36:16 PMQuote from: Rossfan on July 08, 2025, 04:35:59 PMMick Wallace not ruling out a bid.
is Putin sending him the required funds?
He was visiting the Iranian embassy the other day -- looking for a quid pro quo handout?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gu4M035XUAEyDej?format=jpg&name=900x900)
twitter quips
'All those years of not paying taxes and you still can't buy a decent pair of shoes?''Sandals, messy hair, and a wrinkled tee? What an unserious person you are.'
Quote from: Main Street on July 08, 2025, 10:43:20 PMQuote from: armaghniac on July 08, 2025, 07:36:16 PMQuote from: Rossfan on July 08, 2025, 04:35:59 PMMick Wallace not ruling out a bid.
is Putin sending him the required funds?
He was visiting the Iranian embassy the other day -- looking for a quid pro quo handout?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gu4M035XUAEyDej?format=jpg&name=900x900)
twitter quips 'All those years of not paying taxes and you still can't buy a decent pair of shoes?'
'Sandals, messy hair, and a wrinkled tee? What an unserious person you are.'
Looks homeless.
His photo op in the white house would be interesting ;D
And had a big building company?
Is Jarlath Burns not in the running?
Didn't he rule himself out a good while ago?
He did
Moscow Mick said he wouldn't run if Catherine Connolly was running. That is another warning about how unsuitable Connolly is. She's another Putin and Assad mouthpiece.
Quote from: Dag Dog on July 09, 2025, 01:56:42 PMMoscow Mick said he wouldn't run if Catherine Connolly was running. That is another warning about how unsuitable Connolly is. She's another Putin and Assad mouthpiece.
She is quite popular around Galway still. I don't see her being a serious contender for president ever though.
Quote from: Cyril Farrell fan on July 09, 2025, 05:38:50 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on July 09, 2025, 01:56:42 PMMoscow Mick said he wouldn't run if Catherine Connolly was running. That is another warning about how unsuitable Connolly is. She's another Putin and Assad mouthpiece.
She is quite popular around Galway still. I don't see her being a serious contender for president ever though.
Being a Nordie, I unfortunately haven't got a vote
(you might say that's lucky)
But Catherine Connolly would get my vote EVERY TIME out of the current list of contenders
Quote from: Dag Dog on July 09, 2025, 01:56:42 PMMoscow Mick said he wouldn't run if Catherine Connolly was running. That is another warning about how unsuitable Connolly is. She's another Putin and Assad mouthpiece.**
**citation needed
Don't know if this is a citation???
https://x.com/JoeSmyth10/status/1786905576552677817?lang=en
Quote from: Franko on July 09, 2025, 05:42:31 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on July 09, 2025, 01:56:42 PMMoscow Mick said he wouldn't run if Catherine Connolly was running. That is another warning about how unsuitable Connolly is. She's another Putin and Assad mouthpiece.**
**citation needed
She votes against aid for Ukraine, she votes against sanctions on Russia, she calls Ukraine "The Ukraine" which is the tankie way of denying it's an independent country in it's own right.
What more evidence do you want to see the colour of her stripes?
Maybe she's just stupid, which would explain it to a degree, but I think she's every bit as bad as Wallace and Daly in their views.
Quote from: Dag Dog on July 09, 2025, 07:36:33 PMMaybe she's just stupid, which would explain it to a degree, but I think she's every bit as bad as Wallace and Daly in their views.
Apparently, it is all the fault of NATO that Russia invaded Ukraine. Putin puppet, it would a disgrace if she became president. She'd probably invite Orban to the Aras.
https://www.kildarestreet.com/debate/?id=2022-02-23a.571
I see the other fascist EU State, Slovakia, were entertaining some of the war criminal Israeli Government today.
EU needs to expel them and Hungary.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 09, 2025, 08:54:17 PMI see the other fascist EU State, Slovakia, were entertaining some of the war criminal Israeli Government today.
EU needs to expel them and Hungary.
Germans arm them, should they be expelled... France and Italy allowed a wanted war Criminal through their air space, expel them too.
7/8 FFG MEPs will not support the vote to get rid of frau Genocide and 1 Ff will abstain...
will vote left rather than that shower.
Mick Wallace.... Wasnt he in the Commitments?
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on July 09, 2025, 09:17:48 PM7/8 FFG MEPs will not support the vote to get rid of frau Genocide and 1 Ff will abstain...
will vote left rather than that shower.
Isn't an tÚsail Ó Rìordáin abstaining too?
Seán Kelly out of the race so McGuinness obviously has the blueshirt nomination.
One leprechaun in the Aras was enough.
Quote from: Dag Dog on July 09, 2025, 07:33:05 PMQuote from: Franko on July 09, 2025, 05:42:31 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on July 09, 2025, 01:56:42 PMMoscow Mick said he wouldn't run if Catherine Connolly was running. That is another warning about how unsuitable Connolly is. She's another Putin and Assad mouthpiece.**
**citation needed
She votes against aid for Ukraine, she votes against sanctions on Russia, she calls Ukraine "The Ukraine" which is the tankie way of denying it's an independent country in it's own right.
What more evidence do you want to see the colour of her stripes?
Ah come on now.
1. She voted against MILITARY aid, on the grounds of our neutrality and her consistently non-militaristic stance. Which is an eminently reasonable position.
2. She has NEVER voted against sanctions on Russia. This is just a complete lie.
So we are left with her calling it 'The Ukraine'. As being the entire basis for you describing her as a 'Putin and Assad mouthpiece'?
She's an embarrassment. 'England', 'The Ukraine'. One of the basics of being President is knowing the correct name of nations.
'Warmongering' by the west is the problem in her tiny mind.
https://x.com/TonightVMTV/status/1894514104225689679
Quote from: Dag Dog on July 10, 2025, 02:51:56 PMShe's an embarrassment. 'England', 'The Ukraine'. One of the basics of being President is knowing the correct name of nations.
'Warmongering' by the west is the problem in her tiny mind.
https://x.com/TonightVMTV/status/1894514104225689679
Fair enough - that's your opinion an you are obviously entitled to it
But don't try to back it up by telling blatant lies, it doesn't do much in terms of bringing other round to your way of thinking
And FWIW - personally I think she's bang on. Warmongering by the West IS one of the biggest issues of our time and is the cause of many of the issues directly affecting Ireland
Quote from: Franko on July 10, 2025, 05:22:33 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on July 10, 2025, 02:51:56 PMShe's an embarrassment. 'England', 'The Ukraine'. One of the basics of being President is knowing the correct name of nations.
'Warmongering' by the west is the problem in her tiny mind.
https://x.com/TonightVMTV/status/1894514104225689679
Fair enough - that's your opinion an you are obviously entitled to it
But don't try to back it up by telling blatant lies, it doesn't do much in terms of bringing other round to your way of thinking
And FWIW - personally I think she's bang on. Warmongering by the West IS one of the biggest issues of our time and is the cause of many of the issues directly affecting Ireland
Putin literally marched into Ukraine to take it over and absorb it into Russia. Talking points about 'NATO', 'The West', 'warmongering' are just a distraction.
Connolly refused to applaud Zelensky when he addressed the Dail, along with some other crackpots, which shows how far down a rabbit hole she has gone.
For the record I woukd like to have a left of centre candidate to vote for.
However I won't be voting for this lady if she gets selected, or any other pro Putinista.
How anyone describing themselves as left could be supporting a right-wing autocratic cnut like Putin is mind boggling.
Quote from: Dag Dog on July 10, 2025, 05:28:57 PMQuote from: Franko on July 10, 2025, 05:22:33 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on July 10, 2025, 02:51:56 PMShe's an embarrassment. 'England', 'The Ukraine'. One of the basics of being President is knowing the correct name of nations.
'Warmongering' by the west is the problem in her tiny mind.
https://x.com/TonightVMTV/status/1894514104225689679
Fair enough - that's your opinion an you are obviously entitled to it
But don't try to back it up by telling blatant lies, it doesn't do much in terms of bringing other round to your way of thinking
And FWIW - personally I think she's bang on. Warmongering by the West IS one of the biggest issues of our time and is the cause of many of the issues directly affecting Ireland
Putin literally marched into Ukraine to take it over and absorb it into Russia. Talking points about 'NATO', 'The West', 'warmongering' are just a distraction.
Connolly refused to applaud Zelensky when he addressed the Dail, along with some other crackpots, which shows how far down a rabbit hole she has gone.
Fair enough, again - your opinion and you're entitled to it
But when the first defence of it involves a blatant lie, I'm entitled to believe that it's an opinion grounded in very little
But it's all moot - you'll be voting and I wont
Seems she's on the way to being on the ballot.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0711/1523014-presidential-race-connolly/
Quote from: Franko on July 10, 2025, 05:38:34 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on July 10, 2025, 05:28:57 PMQuote from: Franko on July 10, 2025, 05:22:33 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on July 10, 2025, 02:51:56 PMShe's an embarrassment. 'England', 'The Ukraine'. One of the basics of being President is knowing the correct name of nations.
'Warmongering' by the west is the problem in her tiny mind.
https://x.com/TonightVMTV/status/1894514104225689679
Fair enough - that's your opinion an you are obviously entitled to it
But don't try to back it up by telling blatant lies, it doesn't do much in terms of bringing other round to your way of thinking
And FWIW - personally I think she's bang on. Warmongering by the West IS one of the biggest issues of our time and is the cause of many of the issues directly affecting Ireland
Putin literally marched into Ukraine to take it over and absorb it into Russia. Talking points about 'NATO', 'The West', 'warmongering' are just a distraction.
Connolly refused to applaud Zelensky when he addressed the Dail, along with some other crackpots, which shows how far down a rabbit hole she has gone.
Fair enough, again - your opinion and you're entitled to it
But when the first defence of it involves a blatant lie, I'm entitled to believe that it's an opinion grounded in very little
But it's all moot - you'll be voting and I wont
What 'blatant lie' are you referring to?
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on July 11, 2025, 02:08:52 PMQuote from: Franko on July 10, 2025, 05:38:34 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on July 10, 2025, 05:28:57 PMQuote from: Franko on July 10, 2025, 05:22:33 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on July 10, 2025, 02:51:56 PMShe's an embarrassment. 'England', 'The Ukraine'. One of the basics of being President is knowing the correct name of nations.
'Warmongering' by the west is the problem in her tiny mind.
https://x.com/TonightVMTV/status/1894514104225689679
Fair enough - that's your opinion an you are obviously entitled to it
But don't try to back it up by telling blatant lies, it doesn't do much in terms of bringing other round to your way of thinking
And FWIW - personally I think she's bang on. Warmongering by the West IS one of the biggest issues of our time and is the cause of many of the issues directly affecting Ireland
Putin literally marched into Ukraine to take it over and absorb it into Russia. Talking points about 'NATO', 'The West', 'warmongering' are just a distraction.
Connolly refused to applaud Zelensky when he addressed the Dail, along with some other crackpots, which shows how far down a rabbit hole she has gone.
Fair enough, again - your opinion and you're entitled to it
But when the first defence of it involves a blatant lie, I'm entitled to believe that it's an opinion grounded in very little
But it's all moot - you'll be voting and I wont
What 'blatant lie' are you referring to?
That she voted against sanctions on Russia
Quote from: Franko on July 11, 2025, 04:51:29 PMThat she voted against sanctions on Russia
This may not be true. However, she has been behaving appallingly all the same.
Here she is refusing to applaud the visit of the Ukrainian president to the Oireachtas
(https://external-preview.redd.it/3xZm4WfQKID386c7tH5Qs957f9lNZ4MbFMiCwzfARmQ.jpg?auto=webp&s=8a064e1a0d79df0f5a21f0252cf89796c75deeb2)
McGregor is upping his game for the Presidential elections evidently...
Sending díck pics is a vote winner in Ireland it seems.
Utter sc**bag.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 14, 2025, 03:28:24 PMMcGregor is upping his game for the Presidential elections evidently...
Sending díck pics is a vote winner in Ireland it seems.
Utter sc**bag.
I thing that a dick pic is an appropriate representation of the man.
McGuinness the only candidate for the Blueshirt nomination.
Connolly expected to launch campaign amárach ar Radio na Gaeltachta.
Labour sitting on fence as whether to support her or not as mixed views on her.
Declan Ganley and Senator Aubrey McCarthy trying to get 20 Oireachtas members to nominate them.
Aontú looking for a candidate to back that "supports their view on things"
Flatley says he will run
https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0725/1525361-flatley-presidency/
not sure what he adds to the proceedings
On an aside, on the Mary Robinson programme on RTÉ I was disappointed to that the light in the window of the Aras was an 11W CFL and not a candle or oil lamp.
Dance off instead of election. Just give him the crown already.
Imagine the player presentations in Croker
Mr Flatley said he hears concerns from the "average person on the street" and they are not "happy right now".
"Somebody has to speak for the Irish people," he said.
Is this an American replacement for McGregor's bid to make Ireland great again.. ?
Another fkn eejit that doesn't know what the office entails.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 15, 2025, 06:27:54 PMMcGuinness the only candidate for the Blueshirt nomination.
Connolly expected to launch campaign amárach ar Radio na Gaeltachta.
Labour sitting on fence as whether to support her or not as mixed views on her.
Declan Ganley and Senator Aubrey McCarthy trying to get 20 Oireachtas members to nominate them.
Aontú looking for a candidate to back that "supports their view on things"
FF sounding out Niall Quinn.
And Flatley has decided to run as the man of the people candidate.
There's almost a Eurovision level of mediocrity to cringe about the options to date.
Quote from: Substandard on July 26, 2025, 12:17:47 AMThere's almost a Eurovision level of mediocrity to cringe about the options to date.
It's wild the shite that has been lined up!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 26, 2025, 09:44:15 AMQuote from: Substandard on July 26, 2025, 12:17:47 AMThere's almost a Eurovision level of mediocrity to cringe about the options to date.
It's wild the shite that has been lined up!
who would ye like to see put their name forward...
I'd have preferred Black but Connelly will get my vote.
I rather have somebody of some political knowledge of the world, not a celebrity circus.
The 2 in the race so far are political.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on July 26, 2025, 10:42:52 AMQuote from: Tony Baloney on July 26, 2025, 09:44:15 AMQuote from: Substandard on July 26, 2025, 12:17:47 AMThere's almost a Eurovision level of mediocrity to cringe about the options to date.
It's wild the shite that has been lined up!
who would ye like to see put their name forward...
I'd have preferred Black but Connelly will get my vote.
No issue with those as they are serious candidates. It's the I'm A Celebrity crowd that need to fcuk off.
After seeing her on the Donegal Special I nominated Moya Brennan!
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 25, 2025, 08:55:39 PMQuote from: Rossfan on July 15, 2025, 06:27:54 PMMcGuinness the only candidate for the Blueshirt nomination.
Connolly expected to launch campaign amárach ar Radio na Gaeltachta.
Labour sitting on fence as whether to support her or not as mixed views on her.
Declan Ganley and Senator Aubrey McCarthy trying to get 20 Oireachtas members to nominate them.
Aontú looking for a candidate to back that "supports their view on things"
FF sounding out Niall Quinn.
And Flatley has decided to run as the man of the people candidate.
Quinn a lad who wouldn't take a penalty against Spain in 02. Incase he missed on his last game for Ireland.
Sums up FF alright.
So the Flatley announcement.
It seems he is having planning issues on his gaff in Cork. To help move from holiday home to primary residence, he has proven his commitment to living in Ireland by announcing his bid.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2025, 02:17:15 PMSo the Flatley announcement.
It seems he is having planning issues on his gaff in Cork. To help move from holiday home to primary residence, he has proven his commitment to living in Ireland by announcing his bid.
and this is the clown talking about somebody needing to speak for the average person on the street FFS
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on July 29, 2025, 12:33:56 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 27, 2025, 02:17:15 PMSo the Flatley announcement.
It seems he is having planning issues on his gaff in Cork. To help move from holiday home to primary residence, he has proven his commitment to living in Ireland by announcing his bid.
and this is the clown talking about somebody needing to speak for the average person on the street FFS
He will go through the motions because he has said he will in court. But it isn't a serious bid.
Interesting piece in the Times on Saturday. Basically FF haven't a candidate - any names you read are not being considered. They hope to field a candidate but it has to be a credible one, not necessarily a winner, and as of now haven't found one. The preference is no candidate versus a Gay Mitchell or Sean Gallagher repeat.
Labour now backing Connolly it seems.
Máiréad McGuinness pulling out "on medical advice"
Quote from: Rossfan on August 14, 2025, 04:15:55 PMMáiréad McGuinness pulling out "on medical advice"
If I was a cynic I'd be asking if there'd been a skeleton found in a cupboard?
She said that she had a stay in hospital last week, so it may not be problem with a metaphorical skeleton but the real one.
Old people being old? The gerontocracy of the western world needs put out to pasture.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2025, 04:32:35 PMQuote from: Rossfan on August 14, 2025, 04:15:55 PMMáiréad McGuinness pulling out "on medical advice"
If I was a cynic I'd be asking if there'd been a skeleton found in a cupboard?
She said that she had a stay in hospital last week, so it may not be problem with a metaphorical skeleton but the real one.
Saw that after so will delete the skeleton bit.
Watch Kelly for a neat shuffle and side step as he reenters the race all the time hoping his reason for withdrawing in the first place will be forgotten.
I bet FG did some internal polling and found out McGuinness is not popular.
Leprechaun Kelly next?
Quote from: Dag Dog on August 14, 2025, 09:42:16 PMI bet FG did some internal polling and found out McGuinness is not popular.
Have you any evidence of this?
She had little opposition so far.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2025, 10:37:40 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 14, 2025, 09:42:16 PMI bet FG did some internal polling and found out McGuinness is not popular.
Have you any evidence of this?
She had little opposition so far.
"I bet that...." isn't the same as "I allege that..."
Linda Martin, David Norris, Colm OGorman and Eamon Ryan tied in the dark horse betting at 225/1
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2025, 10:37:40 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 14, 2025, 09:42:16 PMI bet FG did some internal polling and found out McGuinness is not popular.
Have you any evidence of this?
She had little opposition so far.
The press had dug up some stuff about a questionable insurance claim and some expenses/landlord stuff that while legal, was sniffy.
But FG would have known this when they nominated her
What a depressing list of candidates...
Jarlath would probably get my vote if he rann.
(And the c***ts would let the 6 counties vote)
Quote from: Snapchap on August 14, 2025, 10:48:09 PMQuote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2025, 10:37:40 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 14, 2025, 09:42:16 PMI bet FG did some internal polling and found out McGuinness is not popular.
Have you any evidence of this?
She had little opposition so far.
"I bet that...." isn't the same as "I allege that..."
So it's baseless.
She had a stay in hospital last week, so is obviously unwell.
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 15, 2025, 07:20:46 AMWhat a depressing list of candidates...
Jarlath would probably get my vote if he rann.
(And the c***ts would let the 6 counties vote)
Who are the c***ts?
Quote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 07:36:20 AMQuote from: Snapchap on August 14, 2025, 10:48:09 PMQuote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2025, 10:37:40 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 14, 2025, 09:42:16 PMI bet FG did some internal polling and found out McGuinness is not popular.
Have you any evidence of this?
She had little opposition so far.
"I bet that...." isn't the same as "I allege that..."
So it's baseless.
She had a stay in hospital last week, so is obviously unwell.
I refer you back to my previous point.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 07:36:45 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 15, 2025, 07:20:46 AMWhat a depressing list of candidates...
Jarlath would probably get my vote if he rann.
(And the c***ts would let the 6 counties vote)
Who are the c***ts?
I bet I know what parties he is referring to.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 07:36:45 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 15, 2025, 07:20:46 AMWhat a depressing list of candidates...
Jarlath would probably get my vote if he rann.
(And the c***ts would let the 6 counties vote)
Who are the c***ts?
The Irish political system that bars a large chunk of the country from voting in the presidential election?
Quote from: Snapchap on August 15, 2025, 07:49:47 AMQuote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 07:36:20 AMQuote from: Snapchap on August 14, 2025, 10:48:09 PMQuote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2025, 10:37:40 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 14, 2025, 09:42:16 PMI bet FG did some internal polling and found out McGuinness is not popular.
Have you any evidence of this?
She had little opposition so far.
"I bet that...." isn't the same as "I allege that..."
So it's baseless.
She had a stay in hospital last week, so is obviously unwell.
I refer you back to my previous point.
The "I bet" post? Is that a point?
Quote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 08:10:18 AMQuote from: Snapchap on August 15, 2025, 07:49:47 AMQuote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 07:36:20 AMQuote from: Snapchap on August 14, 2025, 10:48:09 PMQuote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2025, 10:37:40 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 14, 2025, 09:42:16 PMI bet FG did some internal polling and found out McGuinness is not popular.
Have you any evidence of this?
She had little opposition so far.
"I bet that...." isn't the same as "I allege that..."
So it's baseless.
She had a stay in hospital last week, so is obviously unwell.
I refer you back to my previous point.
The "I bet" post? Is that a point?
Man gives his opinion/personal reading of a situation on a forum, shock horror.
Must be a full moon 🙄
Wait and see, but the parties are always doing private polls and if the perception of McGuinness was poor, then they'd pull her.
I can see why. She comes across as a charmless schoolmistress.
When can I vote in any NI elections? Surely the c******ts haven't barred me.
McGuinness didn't have the profile of a contender. Recent presidential elections have been protests against business as usual. FG and FG have lost out. This will probably continue.
Quote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 09:41:35 AMWhen can I vote in any NI elections? Surely the c******ts haven't barred me.
Completely different as you well know...
Quote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 09:40:48 AMWait and see, but the parties are always doing private polls and if the perception of McGuinness was poor, then they'd pull her.
I can see why. She comes across as a charmless schoolmistress.
I agree with you there, I wouldn't be a fan of hers, couldn't warm to her.
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 15, 2025, 10:24:32 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 09:41:35 AMWhen can I vote in any NI elections? Surely the c******ts haven't barred me.
Completely different as you well know...
If you guys want to saddle us with Sinn Fein heads, then surely we have the right to respond. ;D
Quote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 10:56:52 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 15, 2025, 10:24:32 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 09:41:35 AMWhen can I vote in any NI elections? Surely the c******ts haven't barred me.
Completely different as you well know...
If you guys want to saddle us with Sinn Fein heads, then surely we have the right to respond. ;D
That's probably the main reservation people would have. Unionists probably wouldn't vote, and 90% of nationalists would vote for SF candidate.
As long as it would come with a requirement to contribute to the State's coffers ;D
Quote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 09:41:35 AMWhen can I vote in any NI elections? Surely the c******ts haven't barred me.
If you guys hadn't sold us down the river we wouldn't be having this conversation .
Quote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 11:59:08 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 10:56:52 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 15, 2025, 10:24:32 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 09:41:35 AMWhen can I vote in any NI elections? Surely the c******ts haven't barred me.
Completely different as you well know...
If you guys want to saddle us with Sinn Fein heads, then surely we have the right to respond. ;D
That's probably the main reservation people would have. Unionists probably wouldn't vote, and 90% of nationalists would vote for SF candidate.
Some prelude to a UI :o
Quote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 11:59:08 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 10:56:52 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 15, 2025, 10:24:32 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 09:41:35 AMWhen can I vote in any NI elections? Surely the c******ts haven't barred me.
Completely different as you well know...
If you guys want to saddle us with Sinn Fein heads, then surely we have the right to respond. ;D
That's probably the main reservation people would have. Unionists probably wouldn't vote, and 90% of nationalists would vote for SF candidate.
Shock, horror!
A democracy where people can vote for who they want to or not to vote at all.
Quote from: marty34 on August 15, 2025, 12:40:05 PMQuote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 11:59:08 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 10:56:52 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 15, 2025, 10:24:32 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 09:41:35 AMWhen can I vote in any NI elections? Surely the c******ts haven't barred me.
Completely different as you well know...
If you guys want to saddle us with Sinn Fein heads, then surely we have the right to respond. ;D
That's probably the main reservation people would have. Unionists probably wouldn't vote, and 90% of nationalists would vote for SF candidate.
Shock, horror!
A democracy where people can vote for who they want to or not to vote at all.
How dare they...
Quote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 11:59:08 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 10:56:52 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 15, 2025, 10:24:32 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 09:41:35 AMWhen can I vote in any NI elections? Surely the c******ts haven't barred me.
Completely different as you well know...
If you guys want to saddle us with Sinn Fein heads, then surely we have the right to respond. ;D
That's probably the main reservation people would have. Unionists probably wouldn't vote, and 90% of nationalists would vote for SF candidate.
So the main reason people in the 26 would have for not giving the vote to those in the 6C is because they would vote for the 'wrong' person?
And without even a smirk, these people would call themselves democrats
Likewise, if Southerners weren't disgracefully excluding from Northern elections, the SDLP would get far more votes than Sinn Fein.
Quote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 02:35:12 PMLikewise, if Southerners weren't disgracefully excluding from Northern elections, the SDLP would get far more votes than Sinn Fein.
Which election would you like to vote in in the North?
Quote from: andoireabu on August 15, 2025, 02:43:54 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 02:35:12 PMLikewise, if Southerners weren't disgracefully excluding from Northern elections, the SDLP would get far more votes than Sinn Fein.
Which election would you like to vote in in the North?
All of them!
Quote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 02:35:12 PMLikewise, if Southerners weren't disgracefully excluding from Northern elections, the SDLP would get far more votes than Sinn Fein.
Sure about that? It's "sister" party in the south, FF, only got marginally more votes than SF did in the recent general election.
I suppose a start would be for the likes of FF or FG to organise and run for political office in the north. There's been nothing to stop them doing so for a hundred years now. Nothing except their own deeply rooted partitionism, that is.
Quote from: Snapchap on August 15, 2025, 03:01:40 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 02:35:12 PMLikewise, if Southerners weren't disgracefully excluding from Northern elections, the SDLP would get far more votes than Sinn Fein.
Sure about that? It's "sister" party in the south, FF, only got marginally more votes than SF did in the recent general election.
I suppose a start would be for the likes of FF or FG to organise and run for political office in the north. There's been nothing to stop them doing so for a hundred years now. Nothing except their own deeply rooted partitionism, that is.
I'm confused I thought FG were backing the SDLP not FF? :D
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 15, 2025, 03:03:21 PMQuote from: Snapchap on August 15, 2025, 03:01:40 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 02:35:12 PMLikewise, if Southerners weren't disgracefully excluding from Northern elections, the SDLP would get far more votes than Sinn Fein.
Sure about that? It's "sister" party in the south, FF, only got marginally more votes than SF did in the recent general election.
I suppose a start would be for the likes of FF or FG to organise and run for political office in the north. There's been nothing to stop them doing so for a hundred years now. Nothing except their own deeply rooted partitionism, that is.
I'm confused I thought FG were backing the SDLP not FF? :D
There's me thinking it was the Labour Party...after all, the SD Labour Party.
Quote from: Franko on August 15, 2025, 01:49:32 PMQuote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 11:59:08 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 10:56:52 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 15, 2025, 10:24:32 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 09:41:35 AMWhen can I vote in any NI elections? Surely the c******ts haven't barred me.
Completely different as you well know...
If you guys want to saddle us with Sinn Fein heads, then surely we have the right to respond. ;D
That's probably the main reservation people would have. Unionists probably wouldn't vote, and 90% of nationalists would vote for SF candidate.
So the main reason people in the 26 would have for not giving the vote to those in the 6C is because they would vote for the 'wrong' person?
And without even a smirk, these people would call themselves democrats
We're a relatively mature democracy, whereas the North is still stuck in tribal politics, not sure what benefit it would be to merge the two.
Quote from: Snapchap on August 15, 2025, 03:01:40 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 02:35:12 PMLikewise, if Southerners weren't disgracefully excluding from Northern elections, the SDLP would get far more votes than Sinn Fein.
Sure about that? It's "sister" party in the south, FF, only got marginally more votes than SF did in the recent general election.
I suppose a start would be for the likes of FF or FG to organise and run for political office in the north. There's been nothing to stop them doing so for a hundred years now. Nothing except their own deeply rooted partitionism, that is.
Dev won a seat in Stormont for South Down in
1927 did he not? There wasn't much point tn a rake of nationalist parties running in first past the post elections.
Quote from: Tatler Jack on August 14, 2025, 08:16:50 PMWatch Kelly for a neat shuffle and side step as he reenters the race all the time hoping his reason for withdrawing in the first place will be forgotten.
RTE news : Seán Kelly will 'most likely reconsider' bid for Áras
http://www.rte.ie/news/presidential-election/2025/0815/1528581-fine-gael-mcguinness-kelly-presidental-bid/
Not surprised. The man is shameless.
Politician considers standing in an election.
If Heather Humphreys reconsiders she's the most likely blueshirt candidate.
Rumours Shinners not backing Connolly so must be going to field a candidate.
FF seem to have no candidate. Wonder what Ó Cuív is at these days?
Seems to be that there's not so many interested in the role.
Politicians, like the weather, change their minds very quickly.
Not running...running.
All very choreographed.
Who would be a decent candidate that maybe hasn't been mentioned? Michael D was a decent skin.
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 16, 2025, 02:54:44 PMWho would be a decent candidate that maybe hasn't been mentioned? Michael D was a decent skin.
Lied about running for a 2nd term and was way to old for the Office.
Mary Robinson is 3 years younger than him - and has not been president since 1997 - Nearly 30 years ago.
Both Michael Healy-Rae and Noel Grealish have come out in favour of Heather Humphreys.
That's interesting given that there is a prospective candidate, Sean Kelly, and a declared candidate, Catherine Connolly in their respective constituencies. I wonder if it is out of genuine admiration for Heather Humphreys.
Heather Humphreys would get great support if she were to run. She would be the strongest Fine Gael candidate possible.
Fine Gael have a terrible record in Presidential elections. Humphreys is probably their best bet though.
She ticks a lot of boxes and is mostly pretty well regarded.
A female Ulster Protestant in the Áras as Irish Unity gets more attention.....
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on August 16, 2025, 03:56:15 PMBoth Michael Healy-Rae and Noel Grealish have come out in favour of Heather Humphreys.
That's interesting given that there is a prospective candidate, Sean Kelly, and a declared candidate, Catherine Connolly in their respective constituencies. I wonder if it is out of genuine admiration for Heather Humphreys.
Heather Humphreys would get great support if she were to run. She would be the strongest Fine Gael candidate possible.
Yeah she's capable, likeable, relatable, and being an Ulster Protestant adds something new, the unionist parties might be more receptive to her.
I'm all for Tray Bakes in the Aras
She has one of the strongest Monaghan accents I've heard. That would be gas to see in the highest office in the land.
Gemma O'Doherty backer Catherine Connolly once again spewing 1980s leftie jargon.
She's never as keen to criticise Putin or Assad.
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/08/16/catherine-connolly-says-we-cannot-trust-the-us-england-and-france/
Tony 'Lockdown' Holohan dropped out before anyone realised he was running. :o
Quote from: Dag Dog on August 18, 2025, 04:21:06 PMGemma O'Doherty backer Catherine Connolly once again spewing 1980s leftie jargon.
She's never as keen to criticise Putin or Assad.
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/08/16/catherine-connolly-says-we-cannot-trust-the-us-england-and-france/
What do you disagree with her on in that article?
There is a reason the EU has become increasingly militarised.
What does she propose as the alternative? A strongly worded letter? Hugs for Putin?
Quote from: Dag Dog on August 18, 2025, 04:42:16 PMThere is a reason the EU has become increasingly militarised.
What does she propose as the alternative? A strongly worded letter? Hugs for Putin?
More guns then.. OK,there's more money to be made for the few, always more
Quote from: JoG2 on August 18, 2025, 04:59:00 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 18, 2025, 04:42:16 PMThere is a reason the EU has become increasingly militarised.
What does she propose as the alternative? A strongly worded letter? Hugs for Putin?
More guns then.. OK,there's more money to be made for the few, always more
Tell me your genius alternative idea for stopping Russia taking all of Ukraine and potentially other Eastern European countries?
Quote from: Dag Dog on August 18, 2025, 04:42:16 PMThere is a reason the EU has become increasingly militarised.
What does she propose as the alternative? A strongly worded letter? Hugs for Putin?
Sabina Huggins might pen another touching poem to bring an end to the conflict. Maybe even all conflict if it's nice enough.
Sean Kelly has confirmed he's looking for the FG nomination.
Loads of people were telling him how disappointed they were that he had withdrawn earlier.
Voted to let migrants drown. Not long ago said the DUP deserves praise and labels any reference to Irish Unity as "divisive".
🤢🤮
Quote from: Tubberman on August 16, 2025, 05:11:28 PMYeah she's capable, likeable, relatable, and being an Ulster Protestant adds something new, the unionist parties might be more receptive to her.
She's already a Fine Gaelic member. Tee hee hee.
Quote from: gallsman on August 19, 2025, 09:35:30 AMQuote from: Tubberman on August 16, 2025, 05:11:28 PMYeah she's capable, likeable, relatable, and being an Ulster Protestant adds something new, the unionist parties might be more receptive to her.
She's already a Fine Gaelic member. Tee hee hee.
:D
Humphreys and Kelly now in for it.
After saying they're both not running.
Power hungry - can't get enough of it.
Battle lines drawn now.
Quote from: marty34 on August 19, 2025, 09:51:08 AMHumphreys and Kelly now in for it.
After saying they're both not running.
Power hungry - can't get enough of it.
Battle lines drawn now.
Sure you could say that about any candidate
Quote from: Dag Dog on August 18, 2025, 04:21:06 PMGemma O'Doherty backer Catherine Connolly once again spewing 1980s leftie jargon.
She's never as keen to criticise Putin or Assad.
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/08/16/catherine-connolly-says-we-cannot-trust-the-us-england-and-france/
Except for the bits where she explicitly does that in the article.
She supported a Gemma nomination long before Gemma went off the rails. She fooled a lot of people back when she was a journalist.
The whole article was a bit odd.
Quote from: Ash Smoker on August 16, 2025, 04:05:30 PMFine Gael have a terrible record in Presidential elections. Humphreys is probably their best bet though.
Never won it. Ever.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 03:58:21 PMQuote from: Franko on August 15, 2025, 01:49:32 PMQuote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 11:59:08 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 10:56:52 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 15, 2025, 10:24:32 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 09:41:35 AMWhen can I vote in any NI elections? Surely the c******ts haven't barred me.
Completely different as you well know...
If you guys want to saddle us with Sinn Fein heads, then surely we have the right to respond. ;D
That's probably the main reservation people would have. Unionists probably wouldn't vote, and 90% of nationalists would vote for SF candidate.
So the main reason people in the 26 would have for not giving the vote to those in the 6C is because they would vote for the 'wrong' person?
And without even a smirk, these people would call themselves democrats
We're a relatively mature democracy, whereas the North is still stuck in tribal politics, not sure what benefit it would be to merge the two.
;D ;D
"A relatively mature democracy"
Your two main parties, who should be on opposing sides of the political spectrum are doing a chuckle brothers 'to me - to you' with the highest office of state
Mature democracy me hole
It's a joke
Quote from: Franko on August 19, 2025, 10:43:51 AMQuote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 03:58:21 PMQuote from: Franko on August 15, 2025, 01:49:32 PMQuote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 11:59:08 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 10:56:52 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 15, 2025, 10:24:32 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 09:41:35 AMWhen can I vote in any NI elections? Surely the c******ts haven't barred me.
Completely different as you well know...
If you guys want to saddle us with Sinn Fein heads, then surely we have the right to respond. ;D
That's probably the main reservation people would have. Unionists probably wouldn't vote, and 90% of nationalists would vote for SF candidate.
So the main reason people in the 26 would have for not giving the vote to those in the 6C is because they would vote for the 'wrong' person?
And without even a smirk, these people would call themselves democrats
We're a relatively mature democracy, whereas the North is still stuck in tribal politics, not sure what benefit it would be to merge the two.
;D ;D
"A relatively mature democracy"
Your two main parties, who should be on opposing sides of the political spectrum are doing a chuckle brothers 'to me - to you' with the highest office of state
Mature democracy me hole
It's a joke
FF and FG should be opposite sides of the political spectrum? How do you figure that?
Ah Tubber it's just the Shinnerbots having their usual meltdown about 26 Co elections.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 19, 2025, 11:04:16 AMQuote from: Franko on August 19, 2025, 10:43:51 AMQuote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 03:58:21 PMQuote from: Franko on August 15, 2025, 01:49:32 PMQuote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 11:59:08 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 10:56:52 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 15, 2025, 10:24:32 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 09:41:35 AMWhen can I vote in any NI elections? Surely the c******ts haven't barred me.
Completely different as you well know...
If you guys want to saddle us with Sinn Fein heads, then surely we have the right to respond. ;D
That's probably the main reservation people would have. Unionists probably wouldn't vote, and 90% of nationalists would vote for SF candidate.
So the main reason people in the 26 would have for not giving the vote to those in the 6C is because they would vote for the 'wrong' person?
And without even a smirk, these people would call themselves democrats
We're a relatively mature democracy, whereas the North is still stuck in tribal politics, not sure what benefit it would be to merge the two.
;D ;D
"A relatively mature democracy"
Your two main parties, who should be on opposing sides of the political spectrum are doing a chuckle brothers 'to me - to you' with the highest office of state
Mature democracy me hole
It's a joke
FF and FG should be opposite sides of the political spectrum? How do you figure that?
OK, for the slow learners at the back, they have historically been on opposite sides
Now they give the pretence of having some opposing views to maximise the vote, then subsequently concoct cosy carve-ups to hold onto power between them
Actually, come to think about it - there's an argument that the north's political system is better, because at least there are some legislation/rules around the carve-up
'Mature democracy' ;D ;D
The levels of delusion required to come out with this genuinely made me laugh out loud when I read it
Quote from: Rossfan on August 19, 2025, 11:14:28 AMAh Tubber it's just the Shinnerbots having their usual meltdown about 26 Co elections.
Shinnerbot
A phrase used when no substantive argument is able to be made and so over-done that it has lost all meaning
It's Ireland's version of antisemite
Something the drunk guy sleeping in the corner slurs when everyone else is trying to have a bit of a discussion
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 19, 2025, 10:32:28 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 18, 2025, 04:21:06 PMGemma O'Doherty backer Catherine Connolly once again spewing 1980s leftie jargon.
She's never as keen to criticise Putin or Assad.
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/08/16/catherine-connolly-says-we-cannot-trust-the-us-england-and-france/
Except for the bits where she explicitly does that in the article.
She supported a Gemma nomination long before Gemma went off the rails. She fooled a lot of people back when she was a journalist.
By that stage Gemma was already venting conspiracy theories about the state killing Veronica Guerin.
Connolly is close buds of Mick Wallace and Clare Daly. She is drawn to whack jobs, not repelled by them.
Quote from: Franko on August 19, 2025, 11:17:52 AMQuote from: Tubberman on August 19, 2025, 11:04:16 AMQuote from: Franko on August 19, 2025, 10:43:51 AMQuote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 03:58:21 PMQuote from: Franko on August 15, 2025, 01:49:32 PMQuote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 11:59:08 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 10:56:52 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 15, 2025, 10:24:32 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 09:41:35 AMWhen can I vote in any NI elections? Surely the c******ts haven't barred me.
Completely different as you well know...
If you guys want to saddle us with Sinn Fein heads, then surely we have the right to respond. ;D
That's probably the main reservation people would have. Unionists probably wouldn't vote, and 90% of nationalists would vote for SF candidate.
So the main reason people in the 26 would have for not giving the vote to those in the 6C is because they would vote for the 'wrong' person?
And without even a smirk, these people would call themselves democrats
We're a relatively mature democracy, whereas the North is still stuck in tribal politics, not sure what benefit it would be to merge the two.
;D ;D
"A relatively mature democracy"
Your two main parties, who should be on opposing sides of the political spectrum are doing a chuckle brothers 'to me - to you' with the highest office of state
Mature democracy me hole
It's a joke
FF and FG should be opposite sides of the political spectrum? How do you figure that?
OK, for the slow learners at the back, they have historically been on opposite sides
Now they give the pretence of having some opposing views to maximise the vote, then subsequently concoct cosy carve-ups to hold onto power between them
Actually, come to think about it - there's an argument that the north's political system is better, because at least there are some legislation/rules around the carve-up
'Mature democracy' ;D ;D
The levels of delusion required to come out with this genuinely made me laugh out loud when I read it
Listen up like a good lad, historically they were on opposite sides of the civil war (or to be more accurate, the parties derived from opposite sides of the civil war).
They were not, and are not, on opposite sides of the political spectrum.
I'll rephrase - usual 6 Cos Sinn Féin lovers having meltdowns bcause 26 Cos voters won't vote the way they (SF fans) want them to.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 19, 2025, 12:28:27 PMI'll rephrase - usual 6 Cos Sinn Féin lovers having meltdowns bcause 26 Cos voters won't vote the way they (SF fans) want them to.
Trying to find which post(s) you're talking about. Who's had a meltdown? What post would you say appears to be a meltdown?
Quote from: Tubberman on August 19, 2025, 11:34:17 AMQuote from: Franko on August 19, 2025, 11:17:52 AMQuote from: Tubberman on August 19, 2025, 11:04:16 AMQuote from: Franko on August 19, 2025, 10:43:51 AMQuote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 03:58:21 PMQuote from: Franko on August 15, 2025, 01:49:32 PMQuote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2025, 11:59:08 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 10:56:52 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 15, 2025, 10:24:32 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 15, 2025, 09:41:35 AMWhen can I vote in any NI elections? Surely the c******ts haven't barred me.
Completely different as you well know...
If you guys want to saddle us with Sinn Fein heads, then surely we have the right to respond. ;D
That's probably the main reservation people would have. Unionists probably wouldn't vote, and 90% of nationalists would vote for SF candidate.
So the main reason people in the 26 would have for not giving the vote to those in the 6C is because they would vote for the 'wrong' person?
And without even a smirk, these people would call themselves democrats
We're a relatively mature democracy, whereas the North is still stuck in tribal politics, not sure what benefit it would be to merge the two.
;D ;D
"A relatively mature democracy"
Your two main parties, who should be on opposing sides of the political spectrum are doing a chuckle brothers 'to me - to you' with the highest office of state
Mature democracy me hole
It's a joke
FF and FG should be opposite sides of the political spectrum? How do you figure that?
OK, for the slow learners at the back, they have historically been on opposite sides
Now they give the pretence of having some opposing views to maximise the vote, then subsequently concoct cosy carve-ups to hold onto power between them
Actually, come to think about it - there's an argument that the north's political system is better, because at least there are some legislation/rules around the carve-up
'Mature democracy' ;D ;D
The levels of delusion required to come out with this genuinely made me laugh out loud when I read it
Listen up like a good lad, historically they were on opposite sides of the civil war (or to be more accurate, the parties derived from opposite sides of the civil war).
They were not, and are not, on opposite sides of the political spectrum.
If you are going to argue that Fianna Fail were anything other than a centre left party for the most of their existence, then we're on Trumpian ground here
They used to call themselves 'real Labour Party' FFS
Quote from: Rossfan on August 19, 2025, 12:28:27 PMI'll rephrase - usual 6 Cos Sinn Féin lovers having meltdowns bcause 26 Cos voters won't vote the way they (SF fans) want them to.
We're discussing Irish politics on a thread about Irish politics
The meltdown thing seems to be projection - a SF obsession on your part
SF haven't even fielded a candidate ;D
Unless it's spin by the Humphreys camp.... looks like Kelly won't get enough support to even contest the FG nomination.
Kelly is already fighting a rearguard action. Humphreys has the early support and momentum. The remaining Blueshirts who haven't declared won't want to back a loser.
I saw further revelations that apart from endorsing Whacky Gemma, Connolly previously backed Dana, FFS.
Add that to her friendship with Kremlin Clare Daly and Moscow Mick Wallace, Connolly is clearly not left-wing in any meaningful sense, she's just another contrarian crank.
She has gotten an easy ride from the media so far, but that may eventually wear out as the mask slips on her fruitcake personality.
Quote from: Dag Dog on August 20, 2025, 12:39:40 PMI saw further revelations that apart from endorsing Whacky Gemma, Connolly previously backed Dana, FFS.
Add that to her friendship with Kremlin Clare Daly and Moscow Mick Wallace, Connolly is clearly not left-wing in any meaningful sense, she's just another contrarian crank.
She has gotten an easy ride from the media so far, but that may eventually wear out as the mask slips on her fruitcake personality.
She is a very good TD and strong on Gaza. Plus she is a Gaelgeoir.
Quote from: Dag Dog on August 20, 2025, 12:39:40 PMI saw further revelations that apart from endorsing Whacky Gemma, Connolly previously backed Dana, FFS.
Add that to her friendship with Kremlin Clare Daly and Moscow Mick Wallace, Connolly is clearly not left-wing in any meaningful sense, she's just another contrarian crank.
She has gotten an easy ride from the media so far, but that may eventually wear out as the mask slips on her fruitcake personality.
Given your earlier pronouncements on this, I think you should stick a *citation needed beside some of these points
Quote from: seafoid on August 20, 2025, 04:04:28 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 20, 2025, 12:39:40 PMI saw further revelations that apart from endorsing Whacky Gemma, Connolly previously backed Dana, FFS.
Add that to her friendship with Kremlin Clare Daly and Moscow Mick Wallace, Connolly is clearly not left-wing in any meaningful sense, she's just another contrarian crank.
She has gotten an easy ride from the media so far, but that may eventually wear out as the mask slips on her fruitcake personality.
She is a very good TD and strong on Gaza. Plus she is a Gaelgeoir.
That hardly compensates for her other flaws now.
She was happy to cosy up to the Assad regime which persecuted Palestinians. There is no consistency to her, she's just a west hating crank.
Quote from: Dag Dog on August 21, 2025, 09:14:22 AMQuote from: seafoid on August 20, 2025, 04:04:28 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 20, 2025, 12:39:40 PMI saw further revelations that apart from endorsing Whacky Gemma, Connolly previously backed Dana, FFS.
Add that to her friendship with Kremlin Clare Daly and Moscow Mick Wallace, Connolly is clearly not left-wing in any meaningful sense, she's just another contrarian crank.
She has gotten an easy ride from the media so far, but that may eventually wear out as the mask slips on her fruitcake personality.
She is a very good TD and strong on Gaza. Plus she is a Gaelgeoir.
That hardly compensates for her other flaws now.
She was happy to cosy up to the Assad regime which persecuted Palestinians. There is no consistency to her, she's just a west hating crank.
there is very much consistency, she didn't cosy up to Assad. all you do it attack people with labels, tankies, crank etc.
are you consistent? I must have missed the calls for Palestinans to get weapons etc. and defeat Israel.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 21, 2025, 09:18:20 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 21, 2025, 09:14:22 AMQuote from: seafoid on August 20, 2025, 04:04:28 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 20, 2025, 12:39:40 PMI saw further revelations that apart from endorsing Whacky Gemma, Connolly previously backed Dana, FFS.
Add that to her friendship with Kremlin Clare Daly and Moscow Mick Wallace, Connolly is clearly not left-wing in any meaningful sense, she's just another contrarian crank.
She has gotten an easy ride from the media so far, but that may eventually wear out as the mask slips on her fruitcake personality.
She is a very good TD and strong on Gaza. Plus she is a Gaelgeoir.
That hardly compensates for her other flaws now.
She was happy to cosy up to the Assad regime which persecuted Palestinians. There is no consistency to her, she's just a west hating crank.
there is very much consistency, she didn't cosy up to Assad. all you do it attack people with labels, tankies, crank etc.
are you consistent? I must have missed the calls for Palestinans to get weapons etc. and defeat Israel.
What possessed her to start championing the Assadist Fares al-Shehabi who was under EU sanction then?
She went to Syria with her close friends Mick Wallace and Clare Daly who were unashamedly Assad backers (as well as Russian stooges).
I'd be delighted if the Palestinians had smarter leaders instead of more weapons.
Quote from: Dag Dog on August 21, 2025, 09:42:35 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 21, 2025, 09:18:20 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 21, 2025, 09:14:22 AMQuote from: seafoid on August 20, 2025, 04:04:28 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on August 20, 2025, 12:39:40 PMI saw further revelations that apart from endorsing Whacky Gemma, Connolly previously backed Dana, FFS.
Add that to her friendship with Kremlin Clare Daly and Moscow Mick Wallace, Connolly is clearly not left-wing in any meaningful sense, she's just another contrarian crank.
She has gotten an easy ride from the media so far, but that may eventually wear out as the mask slips on her fruitcake personality.
She is a very good TD and strong on Gaza. Plus she is a Gaelgeoir.
That hardly compensates for her other flaws now.
She was happy to cosy up to the Assad regime which persecuted Palestinians. There is no consistency to her, she's just a west hating crank.
there is very much consistency, she didn't cosy up to Assad. all you do it attack people with labels, tankies, crank etc.
are you consistent? I must have missed the calls for Palestinans to get weapons etc. and defeat Israel.
What possessed her to start championing the Assadist Fares al-Shehabi who was under EU sanction then?
She went to Syria with her close friends Mick Wallace and Clare Daly who were unashamedly Assad backers (as well as Russian stooges).
I'd be delighted if the Palestinians had smarter leaders instead of more weapons.
So you are not consistent, are you calling for smarter leaders for Ukraine instead of more weapons??
she went to Syria so what, fair play to her to actually go and see what she could. world leaders can imbrace a Joleni a former ISIS leaders and BiBi so the hysteria you, media and Ff/FG try and cause over going on a trip to Syria with Mick Wallace and Claire Daly is pathetic.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 21, 2025, 09:57:04 AMSo you are not consistent, are you calling for smarter leaders for Ukraine instead of more weapons??
she went to Syria so what, fair play to her to actually go and see what she could. world leaders can imbrace a Joleni a former ISIS leaders and BiBi so the hysteria you, media and Ff/FG try and cause over going on a trip to Syria with Mick Wallace and Claire Daly is pathetic.
If Ukraine's leaders were fanatical nutters looking to wipe Russia off the map and would incinerate every Russian man, woman and child if they had the opportunity, then yes, I would call for smarter Ukrainian leaders.
Quote from: Dag Dog on August 21, 2025, 10:43:02 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 21, 2025, 09:57:04 AMSo you are not consistent, are you calling for smarter leaders for Ukraine instead of more weapons??
she went to Syria so what, fair play to her to actually go and see what she could. world leaders can imbrace a Joleni a former ISIS leaders and BiBi so the hysteria you, media and Ff/FG try and cause over going on a trip to Syria with Mick Wallace and Claire Daly is pathetic.
If Ukraine's leaders were fanatical nutters looking to wipe Russia off the map and would incinerate every Russian man, woman and child if they had the opportunity, then yes, I would call for smarter Ukrainian leaders.
They are resisting an occupation. They offered numerous peace deals prior to 2023, numerous ceasefires and had the great march which was peaceful, israel used them as target practice and it is Israel doing the wiping off the map.
Also it is Israel arming and supporting ISIS in Gaza, who steal aid etc. not Hamas.
should I not support Ukraine as their leader meets with EU/Uk/US leaders who have armed and supported a genocide of Palestine... that's the logic you are spouting..
The Ukraine and Palestinian conflicts are separate matters.
The aim of tankies has been to diminish sympathy for Ukraine by trying to pitch both conflicts as resistance against Western imperialism - therefore Russia and Palestinian are bedfellows fighting the good fight.
Quote from: Dag Dog on August 21, 2025, 02:50:20 PMThe Ukraine and Palestinian conflicts are separate matters.
The aim of tankies has been to diminish sympathy for Ukraine by trying to pitch both conflicts as resistance against Western imperialism - therefore Russia and Palestinian are bedfellows fighting the good fight.
ofcourse they are different, everyone can see that from how the EU/UK/US act to the media reporting.
however, both are occupied and both are resisting occupation, imperialism is wrong regardless of who it is. you seem to be fine overlooking western imperialism and occupation depending on who is doing it!!!
Back to Áras please.
If the Shinners run it's hard to see Connolly getting more than 15% 1st prefs. Possibly less if she's being crucified for past "sins".
A high profile SF should get most or all of the GE 20% or so.
FF leadership being pressurised by the membership to run someone.
Depending who it is should get at least 20%.
Will Humphreys * (assuming Blueshirt candidate) get the rest? Hardly but she seems to click with a lot of categories beyond the 19% blueshirt voters.
That rich kid (Sheridan?) seems to think he'll get on the ballot paper, but he needs to read up on the Presidency first.
He won't be able to fix the housing problem or hold the Government to account as he thinks.
*Mick Clifford thinks they could have their usual fuk up...
https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-41690877.html
The Indo says today that Jim Gavin might run for Fianna Fail.
Do we want a President to bore the entire country to death?
Quote from: Cortoon on August 25, 2025, 08:34:14 AMThe Indo says today that Jim Gavin might run for Fianna Fail.
Do we want a President to bore the entire country to death?
He is a civil servants. He would have to resign to run.
I don't think he has the name recognition. Another kite exercise.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 25, 2025, 09:03:13 AMQuote from: Cortoon on August 25, 2025, 08:34:14 AMThe Indo says today that Jim Gavin might run for Fianna Fail.
Do we want a President to bore the entire country to death?
He is a civil servants. He would have to resign to run.
I don't think he has the name recognition. Another kite exercise.
You don't know the difference between a public servant and a civil servant...
Gavin would be widely known, despite what you think. Much wider known that Mary McAleese was for example. That won't necessarily help him.
Quote from: Cortoon on August 25, 2025, 09:57:16 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 25, 2025, 09:03:13 AMQuote from: Cortoon on August 25, 2025, 08:34:14 AMThe Indo says today that Jim Gavin might run for Fianna Fail.
Do we want a President to bore the entire country to death?
He is a civil servants. He would have to resign to run.
I don't think he has the name recognition. Another kite exercise.
You don't know the difference between a public servant and a civil servant...
Gavin would be widely known, despite what you think. Much wider known that Mary McAleese was for example. That won't necessarily help him.
Touche. Fair point. But I understand that he can't continue in the role either way.
McGregor is widely known. Celebrity doesn't win the Presidency.
That rag was promoting crooked Bertie for FF candidate a couple of days ago.
As for Jim Gavin not being well known.....
It's all that heading the ball that wrecks the brain.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 25, 2025, 11:04:54 AMThat rag was promoting crooked Bertie for FF candidate a couple of days ago.
As for Jim Gavin not being well known.....
It's all that heading the ball that wrecks the brain.
Most people will need to be told/reminded who he is, and managing a sports team,even to the success he had, will be greeted with meh. He isn't the worst candidate, but as you say, hard to see it as anything other than a kite flyer from a faction in FF
Maybe not quite the united left candidate....
https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0827/1530462-gavin-presidential-election/
Quote from: Rossfan on August 27, 2025, 05:44:58 PMMaybe not quite the united left candidate....
https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0827/1530462-gavin-presidential-election/
She's a bad choice, simple as.
Her pontificating on international affairs will not be helpful to Ireland if she gets in.
She is moaning about the the US having the potential to misuse their UN security council veto.
Yet, she wants to keep Ireland's triple lock which gives Russia and China a veto on Irish troop deployments.
It's always the EU, America, NATO, the West that's the bad guy in the weird mind of Catherine 'Gemma' Connolly.
Seems FRC Jim now actively pursuing the FF nomination with MEP Kelleher also saying he wants it.
I can just imagine Jim Gavin in the Aras, hosting a big dinner with a load of dignitaries, with only so many allowed at one end of the table.
And you have to hand your dinner plate into the hands of the waiting staff , otherwise you don't get a dessert.
Why would someone like Gavin want into the office of President to drink tae & cut ribbons? As a man used to power he'd be more inclined to want the potential of a TD IMO.
Would probably lead to a fair bit of backbiting surrounding GAA influence, but indeed would be a bit strange.
But would be a positive counter to those profiting from human trafficking.
Catherine Connolly finding her ties to Moscow Mick and Kremin Clare not washing with lots of folk, inc myself.
But it's a marathon, not a spint. Lots can happen. She needs to explain her ties to them, to Assad and Putin. Even typing that makes me think she's an also-ran.
Martin has ditthered too long and allowed Bertie and an others to look for the gig. Typical Meehall. He makes Hamlet look impulsive.
Heather will bring Tray Bakes to the Aras. No harm in that. May not be fluent in the Gaelige but neither am I so I am not going to be judgie.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on August 31, 2025, 01:24:09 PMCatherine Connolly finding her ties to Moscow Mick and Kremin Clare not washing with lots of folk, inc myself.
She's being interviewed on RTÉ now and wriggling when asked about Moscow Mick and Kremlin Clare. Apparently we should consider not sanctioning Russia because we haven't sanctioned every nasty place.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 31, 2025, 01:36:20 PMQuote from: Shamrock Shore on August 31, 2025, 01:24:09 PMCatherine Connolly finding her ties to Moscow Mick and Kremin Clare not washing with lots of folk, inc myself.
She's being interviewed on RTÉ now and wriggling when asked about Moscow Mick and Kremlin Clare. Apparently we should consider not sanctioning Russia because we haven't sanctioned every nasty place.
https://www.facebook.com/catherineconnollyTD/videos/catherines-statement-on-the-third-anniversary-of-russias-invasion-of-ukrainer%C3%A1it/643913554787819/
Claire and Mick
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/mick-wallace-and-clare-daly-why-we-voted-against-the-eu-resolution-on-ukraine-1.4816676
Quote from: armaghniac on August 31, 2025, 01:36:20 PMQuote from: Shamrock Shore on August 31, 2025, 01:24:09 PMCatherine Connolly finding her ties to Moscow Mick and Kremin Clare not washing with lots of folk, inc myself.
She's being interviewed on RTÉ now and wriggling when asked about Moscow Mick and Kremlin Clare. Apparently we should consider not sanctioning Russia because we haven't sanctioned every nasty place.
https://www.facebook.com/catherineconnollyTD/videos/catherines-statement-on-the-third-anniversary-of-russias-invasion-of-ukrainer%C3%A1it/643913554787819/
Claire and Mick
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/mick-wallace-and-clare-daly-why-we-voted-against-the-eu-resolution-on-ukraine-1.4816676
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Is that article supposed to be some sort of defence of those two tramps?
Calling on Russia to do something they know they won't do, i.e. cease all military activities in Ukraine while simultaneously being against Ukraine being given the means to defend itself. Total utter disingenuous claptrap.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 31, 2025, 01:58:07 PMQuote from: armaghniac on August 31, 2025, 01:36:20 PMQuote from: Shamrock Shore on August 31, 2025, 01:24:09 PMCatherine Connolly finding her ties to Moscow Mick and Kremin Clare not washing with lots of folk, inc myself.
She's being interviewed on RTÉ now and wriggling when asked about Moscow Mick and Kremlin Clare. Apparently we should consider not sanctioning Russia because we haven't sanctioned every nasty place.
https://www.facebook.com/catherineconnollyTD/videos/catherines-statement-on-the-third-anniversary-of-russias-invasion-of-ukrainer%C3%A1it/643913554787819/
Claire and Mick
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/mick-wallace-and-clare-daly-why-we-voted-against-the-eu-resolution-on-ukraine-1.4816676
Is that article supposed to be some sort of defense of those two tramps?
Calling on Russia to do something they know they won't do, i.e. cease all military activities in Ukraine while simultaneously being against Ukraine being given the means to defend itself. Total utter disingenuous claptrap.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on August 31, 2025, 05:44:21 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 31, 2025, 01:58:07 PMQuote from: armaghniac on August 31, 2025, 01:36:20 PMQuote from: Shamrock Shore on August 31, 2025, 01:24:09 PMCatherine Connolly finding her ties to Moscow Mick and Kremin Clare not washing with lots of folk, inc myself.
She's being interviewed on RTÉ now and wriggling when asked about Moscow Mick and Kremlin Clare. Apparently we should consider not sanctioning Russia because we haven't sanctioned every nasty place.
https://www.facebook.com/catherineconnollyTD/videos/catherines-statement-on-the-third-anniversary-of-russias-invasion-of-ukrainer%C3%A1it/643913554787819/
Claire and Mick
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/mick-wallace-and-clare-daly-why-we-voted-against-the-eu-resolution-on-ukraine-1.4816676
Is that article supposed to be some sort of defense of those two tramps?
Calling on Russia to do something they know they won't do, i.e. cease all military activities in Ukraine while simultaneously being against Ukraine being given the means to defend itself. Total utter disingenuous claptrap.
thought I was an anti zionist turns our I'm Tel Aviv PHP, as I am calling o Israel to do something I know they won't do while simultaneously being against Palestinans being given the means to defend themselves. A position I believe the late Pope also had..
what have US and Europeans done only sell off old stock just enough to keep the slaughter and war going while updating and increasing their own arms and budgets!!! at the same time all these wonderful allies look away at the genocide in Gaza and the ethic cleansing in the west bank.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 31, 2025, 06:28:30 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on August 31, 2025, 05:44:21 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 31, 2025, 01:58:07 PMQuote from: armaghniac on August 31, 2025, 01:36:20 PMQuote from: Shamrock Shore on August 31, 2025, 01:24:09 PMCatherine Connolly finding her ties to Moscow Mick and Kremin Clare not washing with lots of folk, inc myself.
She's being interviewed on RTÉ now and wriggling when asked about Moscow Mick and Kremlin Clare. Apparently we should consider not sanctioning Russia because we haven't sanctioned every nasty place.
https://www.facebook.com/catherineconnollyTD/videos/catherines-statement-on-the-third-anniversary-of-russias-invasion-of-ukrainer%C3%A1it/643913554787819/
Claire and Mick
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/mick-wallace-and-clare-daly-why-we-voted-against-the-eu-resolution-on-ukraine-1.4816676
Is that article supposed to be some sort of defense of those two tramps?
Calling on Russia to do something they know they won't do, i.e. cease all military activities in Ukraine while simultaneously being against Ukraine being given the means to defend itself. Total utter disingenuous claptrap.
thought I was an anti zionist turns our I'm Tel Aviv PHP, as I am calling o Israel to do something I know they won't do while simultaneously being against Palestinans being given the means to defend themselves. A position I believe the late Pope also had..
what have US and Europeans done only sell off old stock just enough to keep the slaughter and war going while updating and increasing their own arms and budgets!!! at the same time all these wonderful allies look away at the genocide in Gaza and the ethic cleansing in the west bank.
Where would Ukraine be now without all the old stock they were provided?
There probably wouldn't be a Ukraine, something that would make you, Clare, and Mick very happy.
p.s they have received brand new equipment as well so you're talking shite there, as usual.
And of course, as most tankies fail to acknowledge, if Russia hadn't invaded, there would be no need for any weapons to be provided to Ukraine.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on August 31, 2025, 06:40:15 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 31, 2025, 06:28:30 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on August 31, 2025, 05:44:21 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 31, 2025, 01:58:07 PMQuote from: armaghniac on August 31, 2025, 01:36:20 PMQuote from: Shamrock Shore on August 31, 2025, 01:24:09 PMCatherine Connolly finding her ties to Moscow Mick and Kremin Clare not washing with lots of folk, inc myself.
She's being interviewed on RTÉ now and wriggling when asked about Moscow Mick and Kremlin Clare. Apparently we should consider not sanctioning Russia because we haven't sanctioned every nasty place.
https://www.facebook.com/catherineconnollyTD/videos/catherines-statement-on-the-third-anniversary-of-russias-invasion-of-ukrainer%C3%A1it/643913554787819/
Claire and Mick
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/mick-wallace-and-clare-daly-why-we-voted-against-the-eu-resolution-on-ukraine-1.4816676
Is that article supposed to be some sort of defense of those two tramps?
Calling on Russia to do something they know they won't do, i.e. cease all military activities in Ukraine while simultaneously being against Ukraine being given the means to defend itself. Total utter disingenuous claptrap.
thought I was an anti zionist turns our I'm Tel Aviv PHP, as I am calling o Israel to do something I know they won't do while simultaneously being against Palestinans being given the means to defend themselves. A position I believe the late Pope also had..
what have US and Europeans done only sell off old stock just enough to keep the slaughter and war going while updating and increasing their own arms and budgets!!! at the same time all these wonderful allies look away at the genocide in Gaza and the ethic cleansing in the west bank.
Where would Ukraine be now without all the old stock they were provided?
There probably wouldn't be a Ukraine, something that would make you, Clare, and Mick very happy.
p.s they have received brand new equipment as well so you're talking shite there, as usual.
why would I be happy or claire and mick for that matter...absolutely ridiculous logic as usual. pointless engaging with you.
Ukrainians can hold different views on war etx. but on the board and in irish media if you aren't for more war, you are a tankie etc.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 31, 2025, 06:55:47 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on August 31, 2025, 06:40:15 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 31, 2025, 06:28:30 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on August 31, 2025, 05:44:21 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 31, 2025, 01:58:07 PMQuote from: armaghniac on August 31, 2025, 01:36:20 PMQuote from: Shamrock Shore on August 31, 2025, 01:24:09 PMCatherine Connolly finding her ties to Moscow Mick and Kremin Clare not washing with lots of folk, inc myself.
She's being interviewed on RTÉ now and wriggling when asked about Moscow Mick and Kremlin Clare. Apparently we should consider not sanctioning Russia because we haven't sanctioned every nasty place.
https://www.facebook.com/catherineconnollyTD/videos/catherines-statement-on-the-third-anniversary-of-russias-invasion-of-ukrainer%C3%A1it/643913554787819/
Claire and Mick
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/mick-wallace-and-clare-daly-why-we-voted-against-the-eu-resolution-on-ukraine-1.4816676
Is that article supposed to be some sort of defense of those two tramps?
Calling on Russia to do something they know they won't do, i.e. cease all military activities in Ukraine while simultaneously being against Ukraine being given the means to defend itself. Total utter disingenuous claptrap.
thought I was an anti zionist turns our I'm Tel Aviv PHP, as I am calling o Israel to do something I know they won't do while simultaneously being against Palestinans being given the means to defend themselves. A position I believe the late Pope also had..
what have US and Europeans done only sell off old stock just enough to keep the slaughter and war going while updating and increasing their own arms and budgets!!! at the same time all these wonderful allies look away at the genocide in Gaza and the ethic cleansing in the west bank.
Where would Ukraine be now without all the old stock they were provided?
There probably wouldn't be a Ukraine, something that would make you, Clare, and Mick very happy.
p.s they have received brand new equipment as well so you're talking shite there, as usual.
why would I be happy or claire and mick for that matter...absolutely ridiculous logic as usual. pointless engaging with you.
Ukrainians can hold different views on war etx. but on the board and in irish media if you aren't for more war, you are a tankie etc.
Tankie logic in all its glory folks - giving Ukraine the means to defend itself = wanting more war.
You know fine rightly, and Wallace and Daly know, what not giving Ukraine those weapons would mean, you just don't give a f**k and you would call the destruction of a sovereign nation, peace.
Disingenuous at best.
and there is the labels and name calling...I'll have a go.. zealot!!
while the whole board calls for the same for the palestinans and no one thinks its disingenuous or that people dont give a f**k...
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 31, 2025, 07:33:01 PMand there is the labels and name calling...I'll have a go.. zealot!!
while the whole board calls for the same for the palestinans and no one thinks its disingenuous or that people dont give a f**k...
More tankie logic in all its glory folks - calling for Ukraine to be given the means to defend itself makes you 'for more war' and now a 'zealot'.
Where would Ukraine be now without those weapons? You know where they would be, you don't give a f**k and you would call it 'peace'.
There are Russia and Gaza threads folks.
Back to ÁRAS.
Connolly won't be getting the major slice of the middle Ireland vote that MD got. Probably none of that plus not all Labour voters will support her.
She's probably unelectable now.
Maybe if the * Shinners, whom she seemed to be courting in a big way last week, don't enter she might stay in the field long enough to push the FF or FG candidate to a few counts.
* Pearse Doherty being mentioned now.
as always engaging with you is pointless.. anti war advocates are now tankies!!! 3 years of war, but there is/was no possible better option...
anyway, back to topic, Jim Gavin, supported by M. Martin will run under a Fianna fail ticket, who met Netanyahu and went to Israel, previously met Assad I believe... never mind how fucked housing/homeless is.... when you play the association game there is much worst that wallace and Daly.. but I doubt the Indo will run too many articles with those associations.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on August 31, 2025, 08:04:14 PMas always engaging with you is pointless.. anti war advocates are now tankies!!! 3 years of war, but there is/was no possible better option...
anyway, back to topic, Jim Gavin, supported by M. Martin will run under a Fianna fail ticket, who met Netanyahu and went to Israel, previously met Assad I believe... never mind how fucked housing/homeless is.... when you play the association game there is much worst that wallace and Daly.. but I doubt the Indo will run too many articles with those associations.
Everyone is an anti-war advocate. Not everyone would advocate leaving Ukraine defenceless against Russia. Wallace and Daly would and you would.
Tell us all about the better options. And while you're at it explain why providing Ukraine with the means to defend itself while exploring these 'better options' appear to be mutually exclusive in the tankie mindset.
Gavin is an unusual choice and it could go either way.
The assurances that he has a personality, behind the dullness he projected when Dublin manager will be put to the test.
Being of GAA stock usually implies a certain folksiness, and he'll have to show some of this.
Presidential races can get unpleasant because it's about the person, their personality, their past actions, not any supposed ideas or policies.
Catherine Connolly is already finding this out. Her poor takes on Ukraine, unwise Syrian trip and her associations with Wallace and Daly will make her transfer repellent to the centre ground.
Whatever about his dullness, Jim Gavin is unlikely to go off script with hot takes about NATO warmongering, EU tyranny, and how poor old Putin was provoked.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 31, 2025, 09:20:10 PMGavin is an unusual choice and it could go either way.
The assurances that he has a personality, behind the dullness he projected when Dublin manager will be put to the test.
Being of GAA stock usually implies a certain folksiness, and he'll have to show some of this.
Presidential races can get unpleasant because it's about the person, their personality, their past actions, not any supposed ideas or policies.
Catherine Connolly is already finding this out. Her poor takes on Ukraine, unwise Syrian trip and her associations with Wallace and Daly will make her transfer repellent to the centre ground.
Whatever about his dullness, Jim Gavin is unlikely to go off script with hot takes about NATO warmongering, EU tyranny, and how poor old Putin was provoked.
[/quotlegs ignore EuQuote from: Bord na Mona man on August 31, 2025, 09:20:10 PMGavin is an unusual choice and it could go either way.
The assurances that he has a personality, behind the dullness he projected when Dublin manager will be put to the test.
Being of GAA stock usually implies a certain folksiness, and he'll have to show some of this.
Presidential races can get unpleasant because it's about the person, their personality, their past actions, not any supposed ideas or policies.
Catherine Connolly is already finding this out. Her poor takes on Ukraine, unwise Syrian trip and her associations with Wallace and Daly will make her transfer repellent to the centre ground.
Whatever about his dullness, Jim Gavin is unlikely to go off script with hot takes about NATO warmongering, EU tyranny, and how poor old Putin was provoked.
let's ignore EU complicity with Israeli Genocide it's a 'hot take'....
there was no poor old Putin, you can see her Connolly comments on him, that doesn't prevent an anti war person being critical of the NATO or a new arms race.
also there is absolutely nothing wrong with going to Syria and more should have done it, to see what sanction were doing to the average Syrian rather than the regime which they were supposedly targeted.
Jim didn't sign the call from irish sports people for a ceasefire in Gaza in January, was he one of the 800 signatures recently..
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 31, 2025, 09:20:10 PMGavin is an unusual choice and it could go either way.
The assurances that he has a personality, behind the dullness he projected when Dublin manager will be put to the test.
Being of GAA stock usually implies a certain folksiness, and he'll have to show some of this.
Presidential races can get unpleasant because it's about the person, their personality, their past actions, not any supposed ideas or policies.
Catherine Connolly is already finding this out. Her poor takes on Ukraine, unwise Syrian trip and her associations with Wallace and Daly will make her transfer repellent to the centre ground.
Whatever about his dullness, Jim Gavin is unlikely to go off script with hot takes about NATO warmongering, EU tyranny, and how poor old Putin was provoked.
[/quotlegs ignore Eu
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 31, 2025, 09:20:10 PMGavin is an unusual choice and it could go either way.
The assurances that he has a personality, behind the dullness he projected when Dublin manager will be put to the test.
Being of GAA stock usually implies a certain folksiness, and he'll have to show some of this.
Presidential races can get unpleasant because it's about the person, their personality, their past actions, not any supposed ideas or policies.
Catherine Connolly is already finding this out. Her poor takes on Ukraine, unwise Syrian trip and her associations with Wallace and Daly will make her transfer repellent to the centre ground.
Whatever about his dullness, Jim Gavin is unlikely to go off script with hot takes about NATO warmongering, EU tyranny, and how poor old Putin was provoked.
let's ignore EU complicity with Israeli Genocide it's a 'hot take'....
there was no poor old Putin, you can see her Connolly comments on him, that doesn't prevent an anti war person being critical of the NATO or a new arms race.
also there is absolutely nothing wrong with going to Syria and more should have done it, to see what sanction were doing to the average Syrian rather than the regime which they were supposedly targeted.
Jim didn't sign the call from irish sports people for a ceasefire in Gaza in January, was he one of the 800 signatures recently..
Catherine Connolly is an ignoramus who can't even manage to use the correct name of Ukraine when making speeches. 'The Ukraine' is an insult to Ukrainians and the Ukrainian nation. You can also set the watch ticking from when she starts to criticise Russia to how long she will be prattling about NATO warmongering and western arms to Ukraine.
In the upside down tankie world of Connolly, the countries of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Croatia and of course Ukraine itself are all warmongers for wanting to join a defensive alliance to protect them against their former brutal colonial masters in Moscow.
Russia only had to mention the words 'nuclear weapons' and the Biden administration would shit itself but we are expected to believe that NATO was an existential threat to Russia. Of course, as everyone knows, NATO is only a threat only to Russia's image of itself as a mighty empire retaining the ability to dominate and subjugate its near neighbours. How odd that tankies and so-called 'anti-imperialists' find this so objectionable.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 31, 2025, 07:53:43 PMThere are Russia and Gaza threads folks.
Back to ÁRAS.
Connolly won't be getting the major slice of the middle Ireland vote that MD got. Probably none of that plus not all Labour voters will support her.
She's probably unelectable now.
Maybe if the * Shinners, whom she seemed to be courting in a big way last week, don't enter she might stay in the field long enough to push the FF or FG candidate to a few counts.
* Pearse Doherty being mentioned now.
Surely Pearse too good as a TD to go into a ceremonial role?
Quote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2025, 02:38:00 PMSeems FRC Jim now actively pursuing the FF nomination with MEP Kelleher also saying he wants it.
Looks like he has it.
The problem is immediately 50% of the population wouldn't vote FF. Says a lot about them that they looked internally and couldn't find one candidate of note. FF itself might not run a massive campaign as he is arms length FF.
His military background should work for him, very thorough and can bite his tongue.
But the reality is we know absolutely nothing about his politics. Does he even have any or is he a technocrat type?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2025, 12:48:30 PMQuote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2025, 02:38:00 PMSeems FRC Jim now actively pursuing the FF nomination with MEP Kelleher also saying he wants it.
Looks like he has it.
The problem is immediately 50% of the population wouldn't vote FF.
A far greater % wouldn't vote for a Putin-Before-Profit gene pool candidate.
Assuming the 3 main parties run candidates then transfers will elect the new Uachtarán.
Kelly drops out due to insufficient support so Humphries will be the blueshirt's candidate.
Quote from: Dag Dog on September 01, 2025, 04:40:44 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2025, 12:48:30 PMQuote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2025, 02:38:00 PMSeems FRC Jim now actively pursuing the FF nomination with MEP Kelleher also saying he wants it.
Looks like he has it.
The problem is immediately 50% of the population wouldn't vote FF.
A far greater % wouldn't vote for a Putin-Before-Profit gene pool candidate.
While her campaign hasn't kicked on, I assume she will deal with this nonsense in time.
Her politics are identical to the incumbent, who is probably the most popular politician ever.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2025, 08:21:01 PMWhile her campaign hasn't kicked on, I assume she will deal with this nonsense in time.
Her politics are identical to the incumbent, who is probably the most popular politician ever.
Her politics are broadly the same, but she is a lightweight with poor judgement and her pro Putin carry-on is not long ago before the election.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 01, 2025, 09:17:16 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2025, 08:21:01 PMWhile her campaign hasn't kicked on, I assume she will deal with this nonsense in time.
Her politics are identical to the incumbent, who is probably the most popular politician ever.
Her politics are broadly the same, but she is a lightweight with poor judgement and her pro Putin carry-on is not long ago before the election.
she is anti war, not pro Putin. She has spoken out against Putin.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 01, 2025, 09:33:41 PMQuote from: armaghniac on September 01, 2025, 09:17:16 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2025, 08:21:01 PMWhile her campaign hasn't kicked on, I assume she will deal with this nonsense in time.
Her politics are identical to the incumbent, who is probably the most popular politician ever.
Her politics are broadly the same, but she is a lightweight with poor judgement and her pro Putin carry-on is not long ago before the election.
she is anti war, not pro Putin. She has spoken out against Putin.
Of course. Just like the #IrelandIsFull folk will tell you up front they aren't racists...
They just don't like unvetted, fighting age males, people with different beliefs, people not respecting our country, outsiders getting benefits, gatherings etc.
But no, they aren't racists.
Quote from: Dag Dog on September 01, 2025, 09:40:42 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 01, 2025, 09:33:41 PMQuote from: armaghniac on September 01, 2025, 09:17:16 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2025, 08:21:01 PMWhile her campaign hasn't kicked on, I assume she will deal with this nonsense in time.
Her politics are identical to the incumbent, who is probably the most popular politician ever.
Her politics are broadly the same, but she is a lightweight with poor judgement and her pro Putin carry-on is not long ago before the election.
she is anti war, not pro Putin. She has spoken out against Putin.
Of course. Just like the #IrelandIsFull folk will tell you up front they aren't racists...
They just don't like unvetted, fighting age males, people with different beliefs, people not respecting our country, outsiders getting benefits, gatherings etc.
But no, they aren't racists.
corbyn is anti semitic!!! and those calling for a ceasefire in Gaza are Zionists!!
We have condemned and do condemn Putin as a warmonger, a thug and a despot. And we were doing so before the invasion of Ukraine and we've done so since People before profit statement in the dail.
easier for you just to name call..
Quote from: Dag Dog on September 01, 2025, 09:40:42 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 01, 2025, 09:33:41 PMQuote from: armaghniac on September 01, 2025, 09:17:16 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2025, 08:21:01 PMWhile her campaign hasn't kicked on, I assume she will deal with this nonsense in time.
Her politics are identical to the incumbent, who is probably the most popular politician ever.
Her politics are broadly the same, but she is a lightweight with poor judgement and her pro Putin carry-on is not long ago before the election.
she is anti war, not pro Putin. She has spoken out against Putin.
Of course. Just like the #IrelandIsFull folk will tell you up front they aren't racists...
They just don't like unvetted, fighting age males, people with different beliefs, people not respecting our country, outsiders getting benefits, gatherings etc.
But no, they aren't racists.
So even though she hasn't actually said what you claim, she means it deep down?
He is weeping for you
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 01, 2025, 09:33:41 PMshe is anti war, not pro Putin. She has spoken out against Putin.
Why did she not applaud Zelensky? Why would you make such a gesture when a representative of a country which is the victim of war has been invited to the Dáil?
She is a fellow traveller of Moscow Mick and Kremlin Clare and has been proposed by PBP who did oppose sanctions. She went to Assad's Syria with Moscow Mick and Kremlin Clare and supported Gemma O'Doherty being nominated on the last Presidential election, she seems to enjoy the company of loons.
I'm not saying that she is Trump, but she is just a contrarian with bad judgement.
It's like I said earlier - you can start the countdown from when Connolly criticises Putin and Russia to when she starts parroting Russian pripaganda about NATO. It's classic tankie-itis. Incurable.
Another symptom is to express heartfelt 'concern' for Ukraine while campaigning to deprive Ukraine of the means to defend itself.
You'd think NATO invaded Eastern Europe the way tankies get on. They love to ignore, never acknowledge it, not ever, that all the countries that suffered under Russian occupation were beating NATOs door down to get in.
Imagine sitting with Catherine Connolly while she watches 'Home Alone'.
"Yes, of course I don't condone what the wet bandits are doing, BUT..."
"the kid is provoking them"
"that's illegal what he just did there"
"more violence is not the solution"
"why isn't there someone taking away his traps?"
"It's tragic to see a young child already a NATO warmongerer"
"they need to sit down and negotiate"
"Why isn't 'The Kevin' listening to voices calling for peace?"
"All he's doing is making profits for the paint can, rope and blowtorch manufacturers"
"The media won't tell you that Marv and Harry have legitimate security concerns."
"Where was 'The Kevin' when other houses on his block were being robbed? Classic Western hypocrisy."
"What about the suffering of the Wet Bandits' families?"
Quote from: Dag Dog on September 01, 2025, 11:47:42 PMImagine sitting with Catherine Connolly while she watches 'Home Alone'.
"Yes, of course I don't condone what the wet bandits are doing, BUT..."
"the kid is provoking them"
"that's illegal what he just did there"
"more violence is not the solution"
"why isn't there someone taking away his traps?"
"It's tragic to see a young child already a NATO warmongerer"
"they need to sit down and negotiate"
"Why isn't 'The Kevin' listening to voices calling for peace?"
"All he's doing is making profits for the paint can, rope and blowtorch manufacturers"
"The media won't tell you that Marv and Harry have legitimate security concerns."
"Where was 'The Kevin' when other houses on his block were being robbed? Classic Western hypocrisy."
"What about the suffering of the Wet Bandits' families?"
surely you don't have to make up an imaginary false equivalence scenario...
you can be critical of Nato, the EU militantarism and Putin. Its not hard to understand.
Quote from: Dag Dog on September 01, 2025, 11:47:42 PMImagine sitting with Catherine Connolly while she watches 'Home Alone'.
"Yes, of course I don't condone what the wet bandits are doing, BUT..."
"the kid is provoking them"
"that's illegal what he just did there"
"more violence is not the solution"
"why isn't there someone taking away his traps?"
"It's tragic to see a young child already a NATO warmongerer"
"they need to sit down and negotiate"
"Why isn't 'The Kevin' listening to voices calling for peace?"
"All he's doing is making profits for the paint can, rope and blowtorch manufacturers"
"The media won't tell you that Marv and Harry have legitimate security concerns."
"Where was 'The Kevin' when other houses on his block were being robbed? Classic Western hypocrisy."
"What about the suffering of the Wet Bandits' families?"
You'll look back at this post in a few years time and cringe at how toe-curlingly pathetic it is.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 02, 2025, 07:16:37 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on September 01, 2025, 11:47:42 PMImagine sitting with Catherine Connolly while she watches 'Home Alone'.
"Yes, of course I don't condone what the wet bandits are doing, BUT..."
"the kid is provoking them"
"that's illegal what he just did there"
"more violence is not the solution"
"why isn't there someone taking away his traps?"
"It's tragic to see a young child already a NATO warmongerer"
"they need to sit down and negotiate"
"Why isn't 'The Kevin' listening to voices calling for peace?"
"All he's doing is making profits for the paint can, rope and blowtorch manufacturers"
"The media won't tell you that Marv and Harry have legitimate security concerns."
"Where was 'The Kevin' when other houses on his block were being robbed? Classic Western hypocrisy."
"What about the suffering of the Wet Bandits' families?"
surely you don't have to make up an imaginary false equivalence scenario...
you can be critical of Nato, the EU militantarism and Putin. Its not hard to understand.
You can be critical of the 'Wet Bandits' but also child violence, aggression and provocation.
It's not hard to understand.
Quote from: Dag Dog on September 02, 2025, 09:22:17 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 02, 2025, 07:16:37 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on September 01, 2025, 11:47:42 PMImagine sitting with Catherine Connolly while she watches 'Home Alone'.
"Yes, of course I don't condone what the wet bandits are doing, BUT..."
"the kid is provoking them"
"that's illegal what he just did there"
"more violence is not the solution"
"why isn't there someone taking away his traps?"
"It's tragic to see a young child already a NATO warmongerer"
"they need to sit down and negotiate"
"Why isn't 'The Kevin' listening to voices calling for peace?"
"All he's doing is making profits for the paint can, rope and blowtorch manufacturers"
"The media won't tell you that Marv and Harry have legitimate security concerns."
"Where was 'The Kevin' when other houses on his block were being robbed? Classic Western hypocrisy."
"What about the suffering of the Wet Bandits' families?"
surely you don't have to make up an imaginary false equivalence scenario...
you can be critical of Nato, the EU militantarism and Putin. Its not hard to understand.
You can be critical of the 'Wet Bandits' but also child violence, aggression and provocation.
It's not hard to understand.
exactly. you should be critical of child violence...
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 02, 2025, 07:16:37 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on September 01, 2025, 11:47:42 PMImagine sitting with Catherine Connolly while she watches 'Home Alone'.
"Yes, of course I don't condone what the wet bandits are doing, BUT..."
"the kid is provoking them"
"that's illegal what he just did there"
"more violence is not the solution"
"why isn't there someone taking away his traps?"
"It's tragic to see a young child already a NATO warmongerer"
"they need to sit down and negotiate"
"Why isn't 'The Kevin' listening to voices calling for peace?"
"All he's doing is making profits for the paint can, rope and blowtorch manufacturers"
"The media won't tell you that Marv and Harry have legitimate security concerns."
"Where was 'The Kevin' when other houses on his block were being robbed? Classic Western hypocrisy."
"What about the suffering of the Wet Bandits' families?"
surely you don't have to make up an imaginary false equivalence scenario...
you can be critical of Nato, the EU militantarism and Putin. Its not hard to understand.
Care to address why Lithuania, Latvia, Poland all clamoured to join NATO eh PHP?
Tankie soundbites don't cut the mustard.
European aggression towards Russia perfectly encapsulated in one picture.
https://eu.boell.org/en/2016/08/26/nord-stream-ii-shaking-hands-devil
All conveniently ignored by tankies when they talk of their 'provocation' and 'militarism' fantasies.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on September 02, 2025, 10:10:18 AMEuropean aggression towards Russia perfectly encapsulated in one picture.
https://eu.boell.org/en/2016/08/26/nord-stream-ii-shaking-hands-devil
All conveniently ignored by tankies when they talk of their 'provocation' and 'militarism' fantasies.
Could you not stick to polluting the Ukraine thread with all your tankies talk, you absolute dose
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 02, 2025, 10:22:16 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on September 02, 2025, 10:10:18 AMEuropean aggression towards Russia perfectly encapsulated in one picture.
https://eu.boell.org/en/2016/08/26/nord-stream-ii-shaking-hands-devil
All conveniently ignored by tankies when they talk of their 'provocation' and 'militarism' fantasies.
Could you not stick to polluting the Ukraine thread with all your tankies talk, you absolute dose
Aww boo hoo.
Catherine Connolly is a tankie and her tankie stance on Ukraine is quite rightfully coming back to bite her on the arse, it's perfectly on topic.
I have the feeling I'll probably regret this, but...what is a "tankie"??
Quote from: Pub Bore on September 02, 2025, 10:38:54 AMI have the feeling I'll probably regret this, but...what is a "tankie"??
https://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=30682.msg2359494#msg2359494
Is anyone else missing the Home Alone talk?
It's an interesting forecasted of the campaign to come.
Anti war? You are a Putin puppet.
Opposed to genocide? Anti semite.
Don't like Trump? You are anti American
Went on an official trip with people I don't like once? You are the same as them.
Grim.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 11:17:27 AMIt's an interesting forecasted of the campaign to come.
Anti war? You are a Putin puppet.
Opposed to genocide? Anti semite.
Don't like Trump? You are anti American
Went on an official trip with people I don't like once? You are the same as them.
Grim.
Everyone is anti-war.
How does providing Ukraine with the means to defend itself make you pro-war?
It doesn't.
Sabina Higgins's poetry won't stop Russia tanks.
The so-called 'anti-war' stance of the likes of Wallace, Daly, Connolly, PHP, just means the destruction of the Ukrainian nation. They know it but will never acknowledge it because they are completely disingenuous.
And yet perfectly acceptable to call for the exact same thing in response to Israeli Occupation and no labels, no name calling...
We're electing a ceremonial Head of State who can do nothing about Ukraine, Russia, Gaza, Palestine, Israel, Cuntanyahu, Putin etc etc etc.
Jim Gavin would be a safe pair of hands for the launch codes
Joe Brolly eulogizing Galvin in his latest podcast. Hard to disagree with what he says... though at the end states if Sinn Féin back Catherine Connolly she can get in and he'd vote for her. Good stuff.
A pity Galvin on the FF ticket.
Michael D calling out genocide in Gaza was very powerful and representative of Ireland..
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 02, 2025, 11:39:47 AMAnd yet perfectly acceptable to call for the exact same thing in response to Israeli Occupation and no labels, no name calling...
Wallace, Daly, Connolly and yourself have called for Palestinians to be left completely defenceless against Israeli barbarity?
I must have missed that.
Last I looked you were clapping like a seal with regard to the 'heroic' actions of Oct 7th. Changed your mind on armed resistance have you?
The calls are for a ceasefire in Gaza not arming Palestinians, the (absent) pressure from the west is on Israel to stop the starvation, ethic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinans.
unbelievable that you are unaware of that or missed that, but it does explain alot!!
I support armed resistence against occupation as per international law, I support both Palestinians and Ukrainians to resist their occupations, and I believe them both to be heroic however I believe that 'the west' should be actively preventing occupations and war, not increased militarism, and War.
if 'the west' wanted to end the genocide in Gaza or the occupation of Ukraine (either by your or my prefered method), I believe they could, in both cases they have left large numbers of people die due to their inaction.
Back to the topic, Connelly does not support Putin.
did I see sir Bob wants to run!!
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on September 02, 2025, 12:15:05 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 02, 2025, 11:39:47 AMAnd yet perfectly acceptable to call for the exact same thing in response to Israeli Occupation and no labels, no name calling...
Wallace, Daly, Connolly and yourself have called for Palestinians to be left completely defenceless against Israeli barbarity?
I must have missed that.
Last I looked you were clapping like a seal with regard to the 'heroic' actions of Oct 7th. Changed your mind on armed resistance have you?
We ask again. When did Connolly say this about Ukraine. Stop waffling, citation needed
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 02, 2025, 12:51:29 PMdid I see sir Bob wants to run!!
FFS, have we not suffered enough!
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 02, 2025, 12:51:29 PMThe calls are for a ceasefire in Gaza not arming Palestinians, the (absent) pressure from the west is on Israel to stop the starvation, ethic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinans.
unbelievable that you are unaware of that or missed that, but it does explain alot!!
I support armed resistence against occupation as per international law, I support both Palestinians and Ukrainians to resist their occupations, and I believe them both to be heroic however I believe that 'the west' should be actively preventing occupations and war, not increased militarism, and War.
if 'the west' wanted to end the genocide in Gaza or the occupation of Ukraine (either by your or my prefered method), I believe they could, in both cases they have left large numbers of people die due to their inaction.
Back to the topic, Connelly does not support Putin.
did I see sir Bob wants to run!!
Never seen so much delusion in one post.
You are comparing Apples with Pears with your take on Ukraine and Palestine.
The west are the enablers of the Israeli genocide, by their arming, support and turning a blind eye to the actions of Israel.
They have no such sway over Russia. They are not supplying arms to Russia. The only thing stopping Russia is western arms.
The west could easily end the occupation of Gaza.
Tell me how the west could end the occupation of Ukraine. And I don't mean run away and hide like you usually do when pressed for even a modicum of detail. Let's have it.
FFS, I need to block you again, you are a head melt.. I directly answered your last questions and you have deflected onto something else.
As mentioned in my last post the war could end with your preferred option, the 'west' actually support Ukraine to defeat Russia militarily, they haven't done it for 3 years not sure they will start now (or even how that would end, possible nuclear outcomes) or though actual efforts to end the war starting with a ceasefire (never easy to get these things started) and then a negotiated peace agreement.
Maybe news to you given your obsession with me solving the war, I am just someone with opinions different to you,(that you cannot accept) I cannot solve the war or make Russia retreat, back to its borders or draft agreeable peace treatys or end the war militarily. back to blocking/ignoring.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 02, 2025, 12:51:29 PMThe calls are for a ceasefire in Gaza not arming Palestinians, the (absent) pressure from the west is on Israel to stop the starvation, ethic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinans.
unbelievable that you are unaware of that or missed that, but it does explain alot!!
I support armed resistence against occupation as per international law, I support both Palestinians and Ukrainians to resist their occupations, and I believe them both to be heroic however I believe that 'the west' should be actively preventing occupations and war, not increased militarism, and War.
if 'the west' wanted to end the genocide in Gaza or the occupation of Ukraine (either by your or my prefered method), I believe they could, in both cases they have left large numbers of people die due to their inaction.
Back to the topic, Connelly does not support Putin.
did I see sir Bob wants to run!!
Explain to us what could have been done to end the occupation of Ukraine? I don't see a single non-interventionist act the Western allies could have done. They tried the sanctions and isolation of Russia. It didn't work.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on September 02, 2025, 01:43:04 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 02, 2025, 12:51:29 PMThe calls are for a ceasefire in Gaza not arming Palestinians, the (absent) pressure from the west is on Israel to stop the starvation, ethic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinans.
unbelievable that you are unaware of that or missed that, but it does explain alot!!
I support armed resistence against occupation as per international law, I support both Palestinians and Ukrainians to resist their occupations, and I believe them both to be heroic however I believe that 'the west' should be actively preventing occupations and war, not increased militarism, and War.
if 'the west' wanted to end the genocide in Gaza or the occupation of Ukraine (either by your or my prefered method), I believe they could, in both cases they have left large numbers of people die due to their inaction.
Back to the topic, Connelly does not support Putin.
did I see sir Bob wants to run!!
Never seen so much delusion in one post.
You are comparing Apples with Pears with your take on Ukraine and Palestine.
The west are the enablers of the Israeli genocide, by their arming, support and turning a blind eye to the actions of Israel.
They have no such sway over Russia. They are not supplying arms to Russia. The only thing stopping Russia is western arms.
The west could easily end the occupation of Gaza.
Tell me how the west could end the occupation of Ukraine. And I don't mean run away and hide like you usually do when pressed for even a modicum of detail. Let's have it.
The west could not easily end the occupation of Gaza. Really only the US has the sway to do that. The EU could sanction them and cut them off from the financial system but Israeli would almost certainly receive enough Arms, raw materials, trade and investment from the US to be able to push Palestine around like they currently do.
People really overestimate the power of Europe since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. The truth is that they're largely rule takers not rule makers due to their reliance on outside raw materials.
Much like
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 02, 2025, 02:23:14 PMFFS, I need to block you again, you are a head melt.. I directly answered your last questions and you have deflected onto something else.
As mentioned in my last post the war could end with your preferred option, the 'west' actually support Ukraine to defeat Russia militarily, they haven't done it for 3 years not sure they will start now (or even how that would end, possible nuclear outcomes) or though actual efforts to end the war starting with a ceasefire (never easy to get these things started) and then a negotiated peace agreement.
Maybe news to you given your obsession with me solving the war, I am just someone with opinions different to you,(that you cannot accept) I cannot solve the war or make Russia retreat, back to its borders or draft agreeable peace treatys or end the war militarily. back to blocking/ignoring.
As usual, big on waffle, zero in detail or even anything remotely based on the reality of the situation facing Ukraine and Russia's intention.
Yeah go ahead block me or whatever, that way you can make your ridiculous assertions with no challenge whatsoever.
Here are the questions that you will always duck:
1. Why did Eastern European countries rush to join NATO?
2. Why do you view their joining NATO as warmongering?
3. What state would Ukraine be in now if it wasn't for supply of western arms?
4. At what stage has Russia ever shown any genuine willingness to negotiate?
5. Name one single agreement with Ukraine that Russia has honoured?
Glad you finally admitted that you don't have a clue though. That's progress of sorts.
Quote from: trileacman on September 02, 2025, 02:49:31 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on September 02, 2025, 01:43:04 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 02, 2025, 12:51:29 PMThe calls are for a ceasefire in Gaza not arming Palestinians, the (absent) pressure from the west is on Israel to stop the starvation, ethic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinans.
unbelievable that you are unaware of that or missed that, but it does explain alot!!
I support armed resistence against occupation as per international law, I support both Palestinians and Ukrainians to resist their occupations, and I believe them both to be heroic however I believe that 'the west' should be actively preventing occupations and war, not increased militarism, and War.
if 'the west' wanted to end the genocide in Gaza or the occupation of Ukraine (either by your or my prefered method), I believe they could, in both cases they have left large numbers of people die due to their inaction.
Back to the topic, Connelly does not support Putin.
did I see sir Bob wants to run!!
Never seen so much delusion in one post.
You are comparing Apples with Pears with your take on Ukraine and Palestine.
The west are the enablers of the Israeli genocide, by their arming, support and turning a blind eye to the actions of Israel.
They have no such sway over Russia. They are not supplying arms to Russia. The only thing stopping Russia is western arms.
The west could easily end the occupation of Gaza.
Tell me how the west could end the occupation of Ukraine. And I don't mean run away and hide like you usually do when pressed for even a modicum of detail. Let's have it.
The west could not easily end the occupation of Gaza. Really only the US has the sway to do that. The EU could sanction them and cut them off from the financial system but Israeli would almost certainly receive enough Arms, raw materials, trade and investment from the US to be able to push Palestine around like they currently do.
People really overestimate the power of Europe since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. The truth is that they're largely rule takers not rule makers due to their reliance on outside raw materials.
Much like
I was including the US in 'the west'.
looking forward to your battle plans on all fronts you melt!!
Meanwhile back to the subject.....
Humphries will be the FG candidate and election will be 24th October.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 02, 2025, 03:15:31 PMlooking forward to your battle plans on all fronts you melt!!
You want 'actual' efforts to end the war?
The west has the arms, which in Ukrainian hands, could completely obliterate the Russian army in Ukraine. Complete annihilation.
Of course as a tankie, like Catherine Connolly, you'd see giving them arms as 'escalation' and 'militarisation'.
Glad to see you throwing the insults around too you hypocrite.
Care to address any of the points above? Nah didn't think so.
As for YOUR 'actual' efforts to end the war? How did Trumps efforts to bring about a ceasefire go? Emboldened and encouraged Russia is all it did. They increased their attacks on civilians.
Peace through strength is the only way with Russia. Over three years later and all the death and destruction and all you hand-wringing panty-wetting tankies still don't get it.
reality check, you love to throw out the reality.....it's 3 years they haven't given them the weapons to a win a war and if they did what might putin do?... all that death and destruction, some strength...
Joanna donnelly looking to run.
It's getting worse 🙄
Quote from: Rossfan on September 02, 2025, 06:28:31 PMIt's getting worse 🙄
:D :D Had to look up who she is... to quote Buff Egan: "that bate all".
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 02, 2025, 05:56:46 PMreality check, you love to throw out the reality.....it's 3 years they haven't given them the weapons to a win a war and if they did what might putin do?... all that death and destruction, some strength...
Nothing encourages Russia more than weakness, so it's your moronic tankie take and the Biden Administration's cowardice that prolonged this war.
And now it's Trump approach that is prolonging it, which is actually what you also advocate. How is it working out? Russia playing you all like a fiddle.
Putin's famous red lines is it? What was it again, HiMARs - nuclear war. f15s - nuclear war, ATACMs - nuclear war. And you're still playing that card.
And the worst of all? If Ukraine was forced into some capitulation by Trump it wouldn't even bring peace. Russia would be at it again within a year. And what would tankies say? Give them more. In the name of your fake 'peace' of course.
"Advocating for climate justice"
I love terms like this. It shows a depth of incredible moral character and empathy not often seen in the realm of politics.
Tough call between her and Gavin.
Joanna Donnelly is not a serious adult. Reading the weather forecast and contesting in DWTS is hardly much of a CV.
Maria Steen of the "Conservative Catholic" Iona Institute seeking a nomination.
Aontú trying to help her apparently.
Heather Humpheries has said she will learn Irish if elected. Which is something she didn't feel the need to do when she was minister for the Gaeltacht for four years. ???
Quote from: Snapchap on September 04, 2025, 10:54:33 AMHeather Humpheries has said she will learn Irish if elected. Which is something she didn't feel the need to do when she was minister for the Gaeltacht for four years. ???
Does the minister covering children and the disabled need to be a child and disabled?
Joanna Donnelly is not a serious candidate. She fancies a bit of celebrity I reckon but like what a disaster of a performance.
Your man Delahunty was nearly crying on Virgin Tonight Show last night. He had a statement about his appearance out before he was on the show and just came across very badly and could not make a point.
Then you will have Peter Casey no doubt trying for it...
Then on the other hand Jim Gavin is probably too serious. He has never shown any personality and you do need someone to charm in the role when needed.
Quote from: Fogarty on September 04, 2025, 11:35:50 AMQuote from: Snapchap on September 04, 2025, 10:54:33 AMHeather Humpheries has said she will learn Irish if elected. Which is something she didn't feel the need to do when she was minister for the Gaeltacht for four years. ???
Does the minister covering children and the disabled need to be a child and disabled?
No more than the president "needs" to be able to speak Irish. The point is that she apparently feels it would be worth knowing Irish were she to be the president, but yet didn't deem it worth knowing when actually doing a job where:
- She would have to deal with a lot of people for whom Irish would be their first language
- She would have had to attend meetings and events in Gaeltact areas which would be held in Irish
- She would probably be in receipt of a lot of correspondence in Irish
- She would probably have been expected to be in attendance at ceremonial/photo-op/ribbon cutting events in Gaeltacht speaking areas where Irish would be the language spoken
- Where it might have been in hers and the government's interest to appreciate the symbolism of having an Irish speaker in the role
Surely its hard to argue that learning Irish would be a good idea for one of the roles, but not worth the effort for the other?
I see McGregor was out with his begging bowl in Dublin yesterday, reading his script and hoping someone will nominate him.
Crooked Bertie announces he's out of the race.
Quote from: Fogarty on September 04, 2025, 11:35:50 AMQuote from: Snapchap on September 04, 2025, 10:54:33 AMHeather Humpheries has said she will learn Irish if elected. Which is something she didn't feel the need to do when she was minister for the Gaeltacht for four years. ???
Does the minister covering children and the disabled need to be a child and disabled?
The legislation she would be expected to study would be in irish
Agus I mBéarla.
Conor McGregor has wrote to all the county councils around the country seeking his nomination, he needs 4 councils to say yes to him to get on the Irish president ballot paper.
He won't be getting Ros Coco by the sound of things.
The weatherwoman has pulled out too.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 05, 2025, 04:55:45 PMHe won't be getting Ros Coco by the sound of things.
The weatherwoman has pulled out too.
Part of me wishes her car crash attempt went on longer.
But it's not a good sign that the process has turned into a freak show.
Quote from: Fogarty on September 05, 2025, 06:00:03 PMQuote from: Rossfan on September 05, 2025, 04:55:45 PMHe won't be getting Ros Coco by the sound of things.
The weatherwoman has pulled out too.
Part of me wishes her car crash attempt went on longer.
But it's not a good sign that the process has turned into a freak show.
Well anyone can say they're seeking nomination - me, you, any Irish citizen over 35.
It's a different matter getting on to the ballot paper, so let's wait and see.
https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/1963532107386372388
Maybe one for the WTF thread.
Quote from: Look-Up! on September 05, 2025, 11:35:38 PMhttps://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/1963532107386372388
Maybe one for the WTF thread.
Is there any chance he gets 4 headers of councillors bribed into backing him?
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 05, 2025, 11:38:54 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on September 05, 2025, 11:35:38 PMhttps://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/1963532107386372388
Maybe one for the WTF thread.
Is there any chance he gets 4 headers of councillors bribed into backing him?
Doubt anyone could be that thick. That video has 36m views though but a lot of those would be from across the pond I'd imagine. It's so out of touch it's insane.
There's 2 of them.....
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/world-crime/british-gang-boss-conor-mcgregor-jailed-after-extradition-from-morocco/a183543980.html
Quote from: Rossfan on September 05, 2025, 02:30:49 PMAgus I mBéarla.
But as gaeilge takes precedence if there is a linguistic tic.
Marylou not standing!
Shinners going to back Connolly???
Is Jim Gavin even on the Fianna Fail ticket yet? Last two weeks has been media promotion for him, pushing his name at ever opportunity from the Irish Times and Irish independent in particular, it all feels very manufactured.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 08, 2025, 09:10:50 AMMarylou not standing!
Shinners going to back Connolly???
Tough one for SF. I'm not surprised that MLMD isn't running but if the field is crowded then SF could do well with their own candidate?? Can't see MON running either - would feel like abandoning the hard won post of FM in the North. Doherty would be a loss to the Dáil team and I think Connolly is going to get a lot of flak during a campaign. Do they go with Frances Black? :-\
Fianna Fáil to decide between solid uninspiring long term member and parachuted in well known outsider today.
Shinners going to back Connolly?
Quote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2025, 11:15:45 AMFianna Fáil to decide between solid uninspiring long term member and parachuted in well known outsider today.
Shinners going to back Connolly?
More a case of FF members deciding do they support the supreme leader or show some testicles. FF the party of uno duce una voce under MM.
Gavin wins 41-29. He better win it now or MM in the firing line. 29 a substantial vote for Kelleher.
There were 15 prospective candidates presenting their case to Kerry Co.Co. yesterday.
Poor Councillors.
Gavin will have to leave the FRC now I presume?
Why would Gavin want to do it? I don't get it
Quote from: Saffrongael on September 09, 2025, 01:38:12 PMWhy would Gavin want to do it? I don't get it
Money and a big house?
Quote from: Tatler Jack on September 09, 2025, 12:33:01 PMQuote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2025, 11:15:45 AMFianna Fáil to decide between solid uninspiring long term member and parachuted in well known outsider today.
Shinners going to back Connolly?
More a case of FF members deciding do they support the supreme leader or show some testicles. FF the party of uno duce una voce under MM.
Gavin wins 41-29. He better win it now or MM in the firing line. 29 a substantial vote for Kelleher.
Dirty action by FF leadership on Kelleher, served his party for a lifetime, doing the organising and canvassing that goes on unnoticed. Passed over for a celebrity blow-in candidate.
Quote from: trileacman on September 09, 2025, 07:35:04 PMQuote from: Tatler Jack on September 09, 2025, 12:33:01 PMQuote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2025, 11:15:45 AMFianna Fáil to decide between solid uninspiring long term member and parachuted in well known outsider today.
Shinners going to back Connolly?
More a case of FF members deciding do they support the supreme leader or show some testicles. FF the party of uno duce una voce under MM.
Gavin wins 41-29. He better win it now or MM in the firing line. 29 a substantial vote for Kelleher.
Dirty action by FF leadership on Kelleher, served his party for a lifetime, doing the organising and canvassing that goes on unnoticed. Passed over for a celebrity blow-in candidate.
The Presidency isn't a reward for committee work. Kelleher had zero chance of winning. The celebrity candidate has close to zero and gives FF an excuse if it's a poor result.
Did Gavin put any of the delegates to sleep with his speech? ;D
Maybe it's just me, but Gavin came across as so far out of his comfort zone. He seemed nervous and stumbling, far removed from the grand but bland routine as Dublin manager. I'd imagine he'll be getting serious coaching in the next while in advance of the debates, or he could get badly exposed, whether on his own merits or as a party representative.
Nothing against the man, and in many respects I'd admire what he has achieved over the years, but I feel he would be a poor projection of the representative role of Uachtarán na hÉireann.
The Monaghan lady is most likely winner as of today.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2025, 11:20:07 PMThe Monaghan lady is most likely winner as of today.
That's where my (small) bet would be going as of today. Depends what SF do...can they pull a high profile, serious enough candidate out of the bag?
If suspect they're seriously considering backing Connolly at this stage to avoid one of their own being a loser.
I suspect SF will step back and support Connolly. Mary Lou and Finucane have both said not this time. So rather than end up with a dud or a celebrity they will back Connolly, who by sheer coincidence has been in Belfast flying the green flag.
Looks like a straight two horse race
Connolly v Humphreys??
PP has Jim 8/11, HH 3/1 and connolly 7/1.
I had few quid on MMG @9/2
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 10, 2025, 12:19:30 PMPP has Jim 8/11, HH 3/1 and connolly 7/1.
I had few quid on MMG @9/2
Paddy Power should be taking bets on Conor McGregor for this.
A fool and their money.
Quote from: johnnycool on September 10, 2025, 12:29:12 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 10, 2025, 12:19:30 PMPP has Jim 8/11, HH 3/1 and connolly 7/1.
I had few quid on MMG @9/2
Paddy Power should be taking bets on Conor McGregor for this.
A fool and their money.
conor is 50/1... would love to know how much has been placed on him
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 10, 2025, 12:19:30 PMPP has Jim 8/11, HH 3/1 and connolly 7/1.
I had few quid on MMG @9/2
I can't see how he is favourite tbh. We know absolutely nothing about him and his main ambition on launch was tea parties.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 10, 2025, 12:19:30 PMPP has Jim 8/11, HH 3/1 and connolly 7/1.
I had few quid on MMG @9/2
I'd take HH on those odds. She'd get an older vote, and they will actually vote, many of those blathering on social media about Connolly will not actually vote. She'd get a predominance of transfers from females and country folk if Connolly came third, even from people who are not FG, because of course this should not be a verdict on FG.
Gavin could certainly provide public service, I just do not see him as President, whereas Robinson and McAleese provide a sort of template for HH.
And in these days with talk of "Border polls" an Ulster Scot in the Áras might be a good idea.
I can't understand why Jim Galvin wants this.. a ceremonial role shaking hands and attending functions at 54 years of age. He comes across as someone with much more vitality and energy than that. Albeit Michael D made a few political statements it was mostly hosting guests and attending events. Could live with Jim as President the best.. without the FF ticket but why does he want that?
Quote from: Truthsayer on September 10, 2025, 01:21:31 PMI can't understand why Jim Galvin wants this.. a ceremonial role shaking hands and attending functions at 54 years of age. He comes across as someone with much more vitality and energy than that. Albeit Michael D made a few political statements it was mostly hosting guests and attending events. Could live with Jim as President the best.. without the FF ticket but why does he want that?
He got talked into it to keep Bertie out. FF are footing the bill. Why not?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 10, 2025, 01:36:07 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on September 10, 2025, 01:21:31 PMI can't understand why Jim Galvin wants this.. a ceremonial role shaking hands and attending functions at 54 years of age. He comes across as someone with much more vitality and energy than that. Albeit Michael D made a few political statements it was mostly hosting guests and attending events. Could live with Jim as President the best.. without the FF ticket but why does he want that?
He got talked into it to keep Bertie out. FF are footing the bill. Why not?
He comes across as a man who would want bigger challenges in life than that... Ego too.. though Brolly says he has no ego!
Quote from: Truthsayer on September 10, 2025, 01:37:28 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 10, 2025, 01:36:07 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on September 10, 2025, 01:21:31 PMI can't understand why Jim Galvin wants this.. a ceremonial role shaking hands and attending functions at 54 years of age. He comes across as someone with much more vitality and energy than that. Albeit Michael D made a few political statements it was mostly hosting guests and attending events. Could live with Jim as President the best.. without the FF ticket but why does he want that?
He got talked into it to keep Bertie out. FF are footing the bill. Why not?
He comes across as a man who would want bigger challenges in life than that... Ego too.. though Brolly says he has no ego!
Compared to Joe that is...
Jim Gavin comes across as a very capable candidate, smart lad who will put everything into it, but doesn't seem to have the charisma to carry it off for me.
21 (yes twenty one) prospective candidates want to address Longford Co Co while Westmeath told Mc*****r hes not welcome
Jim Gavin the first President to fly at the Bray Air Show?! I'm calling it now.
Ya never know he might be great craic when he gets into the Áras...
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on September 10, 2025, 03:07:30 PMJim Gavin the first President to fly at the Bray Air Show?! I'm calling it now.
Ya never know he might be great craic when he gets into the Áras...
Is it all a ploy to get him away from tinkering with the football rules any more ;D
Jim ''Mr Exciting'' Galvin it is.
Quote from: NAG1 on September 10, 2025, 03:09:15 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on September 10, 2025, 03:07:30 PMJim Gavin the first President to fly at the Bray Air Show?! I'm calling it now.
Ya never know he might be great craic when he gets into the Áras...
Is it all a ploy to get him away from tinkering with the football rules any more ;D
Or as he saved Gaelic football maybe he can save Ireland 🤷
Pearse Doherty calls Gavin out already for comments made on Palestine.
As someone said tge only one not on the list is Walter Mitty!
https://www.shannonside.ie/news/21-candidates-seek-presidential-support-in-roscommon-272744
Quote from: Rossfan on September 11, 2025, 09:43:51 AMAs someone said tge only one not on the list is Walter Mitty!
https://www.shannonside.ie/news/21-candidates-seek-presidential-support-in-roscommon-272744
Im suprised Maria Steen wasn't on the list.
Quote from: ardtole on September 11, 2025, 10:16:40 AMQuote from: Rossfan on September 11, 2025, 09:43:51 AMAs someone said tge only one not on the list is Walter Mitty!
https://www.shannonside.ie/news/21-candidates-seek-presidential-support-in-roscommon-272744
Im suprised Maria Steen wasn't on the list.
Flatley has gone awful quiet too...
I understand Steen is going down the 20 Oireachtas route. Tobin claims he has mid teens who will back her.
A real shame. Ireland could have had an action movie star as President.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackbird_(2018_film)
Is Pierce Brosnan available or eligible?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 11, 2025, 10:29:02 AMQuote from: ardtole on September 11, 2025, 10:16:40 AMQuote from: Rossfan on September 11, 2025, 09:43:51 AMAs someone said tge only one not on the list is Walter Mitty!
https://www.shannonside.ie/news/21-candidates-seek-presidential-support-in-roscommon-272744
Im suprised Maria Steen wasn't on the list.
Flatley has gone awful quiet too...
I understand Steen is going down the 20 Oireachtas route. Tobin claims he has mid teens who will back her.
Aontú, Ind Ireland, Nolan,is that Mullen lad still a Senator?.
Mid teens sounds a bit on the high side.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 11, 2025, 10:55:15 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 11, 2025, 10:29:02 AMQuote from: ardtole on September 11, 2025, 10:16:40 AMQuote from: Rossfan on September 11, 2025, 09:43:51 AMAs someone said tge only one not on the list is Walter Mitty!
https://www.shannonside.ie/news/21-candidates-seek-presidential-support-in-roscommon-272744
Im suprised Maria Steen wasn't on the list.
Flatley has gone awful quiet too...
I understand Steen is going down the 20 Oireachtas route. Tobin claims he has mid teens who will back her.
Aontú, Ind Ireland, Nolan,is that Mullen lad still a Senator?.
Mid teens sounds a bit on the high side.
What I read was the independents might row in. Or at least Tobin claims they might. The Kerry goolie might have pushed for HH, but he signed nothing. Would it surprise you for him to informally back HH but formally back MS?
Facilitating democracy etc, just to give the people a choice,blah blah (like Connolly nominating mad Gemma).
Mattie McGrath would sign for Steen too no doubt.
Edit : going through list of TDs/Senators I'd see 18 who'd likely to sign.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 11, 2025, 12:27:27 PMFacilitating democracy etc, just to give the people a choice,blah blah (like Connolly nominating mad Gemma).
Mattie McGrath would sign for Steen too no doubt.
I don't understand Connolly on this.
'She hadn't gone mental when I nominated her, she fooled a lot of people, I regret it in hindsight'.
Line of attack dead.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 10, 2025, 08:55:34 PMPearse Doherty calls Gavin out already for comments made on Palestine.
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/09/11/taoiseach-accuses-sinn-fein-of-nasty-attack-on-jim-gavin-over-gaza-remarks/
Taoiseach Michéal Martin has accused Sinn Féin of "nasty" and negative tactics after the Opposition party criticised the Fianna Fáil presidential candidate Jim Gavin over remarks he made about the war in Gaza.
In an interview this week, Mr Gavin had called for an end to the bombing in Gaza while noting it continued even after Israel's "military objectives have probably been reached".
Sinn Féin TD Pearse Doherty described Mr Gavin's remarks as "shocking" and "disgraceful" in the context of the scale of Palestinian casualties. Mr Doherty said the comments should be "withdrawn".
However, Fianna Fáil hit back, arguing that the rival party was "starting its negative campaign" as it recognised Mr Gavin was a "strong candidate".
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/09/11/maria-steen-said-to-have-backing-of-10-oireachtas-members-to-enter-presidential-election/
Ten Oireachtas members are said to have given commitments to conservative campaigner Maria Steen to nominate her to enter the presidential election. Mr Tóibín named eight of them as himself; party colleagues deputy Paul Lawless and Senator Sarah O'Reilly; Independent TDs Mattie McGrath and Carol Nolan; and Senators Joe Conway, Rónán Mullen and Sharon Keogan.
He said: "There are two others who have given a commitment at the meeting that they will sign.
She won't make the 20 so.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 11, 2025, 08:11:42 PMShe won't make the 20 so.
She might, these first 10 are people who actively support her. Others may legitimately feel that she should be allowed run and that nomination should not solely be in the hands of political parties.
Fintan O'Toole had a point, you might not choose to vote for her, but she is a fitting candidate.
I find the 3 nominated candidates to date underwhelming, if Maria Steen is afforded the opportunity to run I would certainly vote for her.
No doubt Jim Gavin is a smart enough man. But he has the charisma of a loaf of bread.
Luckily I care as much about who is President as I do who wins the Rose of Tralee.
The Poet proved that you can sit in the park for 14 years and nobody knows what you are really doing other than getting all the peripheral stuff sorted out for you such as fed, watered and sheltered.
Did we have to pay him all his pensions while he was free loading and getting the fat salary. In turn he told us about poverty and the wrongs in the world. For such a rich man The Poet is an expert on poverty. All after promising just to stand for one term.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2025, 09:39:54 PMAll after promising just to stand for one term.
I must say I never get the point of people throwing out the "he said he'd only stand for one term" line. He changed his mind and decided he would like to do a second term. So what? He didin't get to sit for that second term without people getting a vote on it. He had to stand for re-eletion. Which he did. And won it with a vote that went up by over 16% on his first election.
MD would know plenty about poverty too having been born and raised in it.
I see "Independent Ireland" won't nominate Steen unless she gets 16 others first.
Strange bunch to out it mildly.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2025, 09:39:54 PMNo doubt Jim Gavin is a smart enough man. But he has the charisma of a loaf of bread.
Luckily I care as much about who is President as I do who wins the Rose of Tralee.
The Poet proved that you can sit in the park for 14 years and nobody knows what you are really doing other than getting all the peripheral stuff sorted out for you such as fed, watered and sheltered.
Did we have to pay him all his pensions while he was free loading and getting the fat salary. In turn he told us about poverty and the wrongs in the world. For such a rich man The Poet is an expert on poverty. All after promising just to stand for one term.
Bizarre
Like a lot of people I don't understand why Jim Gavin would want to run for President.
It would be more in his line to follow Jarlath Burn's route to GAA Presidency.
Also, he's young enough to make a valuable contribution as a GAA intercounty manager.
He could follow the example of Micko and Mickey Harte and light a fire in one of the underachieving counties.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2025, 10:55:36 AMMD would know plenty about poverty too having been born and raised in it.
I see "Independent Ireland" won't nominate Steen unless she gets 16 others first.
Strange bunch to out it mildly.
Yes, Michael D had a brush with hardship. But he did not grow up in poverty - He went to St. Flannan's College, Ennis
a boarding school. Poor people did not go to secondary school in the '50's.
Got a scholarship.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 12, 2025, 04:35:10 PMQuote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2025, 10:55:36 AMMD would know plenty about poverty too having been born and raised in it.
I see "Independent Ireland" won't nominate Steen unless she gets 16 others first.
Strange bunch to out it mildly.
Yes, Michael D had a brush with hardship. But he did not grow up in poverty - He went to St. Flannan's College, Ennis
a boarding school. Poor people did not go to secondary school in the '50's.
He got a scholarship ffs.
There is a reason this was never thrown at him in the campaigns
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 12, 2025, 05:19:36 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on September 12, 2025, 04:35:10 PMQuote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2025, 10:55:36 AMMD would know plenty about poverty too having been born and raised in it.
I see "Independent Ireland" won't nominate Steen unless she gets 16 others first.
Strange bunch to out it mildly.
Yes, Michael D had a brush with hardship. But he did not grow up in poverty - He went to St. Flannan's College, Ennis
a boarding school. Poor people did not go to secondary school in the '50's.
He got a scholarship ffs.
There is a reason this was never thrown at him in the campaigns
Yes, because people actually checked, rather than posting something they knew nothing about.
And he didn't board, he cycled 8 miles to the school as a day boy.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20319669.html
Bunker's oul mask slips from time to time ;)
Quote from: armaghniac on September 12, 2025, 07:13:54 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 12, 2025, 05:19:36 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on September 12, 2025, 04:35:10 PMQuote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2025, 10:55:36 AMMD would know plenty about poverty too having been born and raised in it.
I see "Independent Ireland" won't nominate Steen unless she gets 16 others first.
Strange bunch to out it mildly.
Yes, Michael D had a brush with hardship. But he did not grow up in poverty - He went to St. Flannan's College, Ennis
a boarding school. Poor people did not go to secondary school in the '50's.
He got a scholarship ffs.
There is a reason this was never thrown at him in the campaigns
Yes, because people actually checked, rather than posting something they knew nothing about.
And he didn't board, he cycled 8 miles to the school as a day boy.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20319669.html
''President Higgins attended St Flannan's in the 1950s and, for three of his five years as a day boy, cycled the 16-mile round-trip from his Ballycar home, outside Newmarket-on-Fergus, with his brother John.
Recalling the commute, President Higgins said: "In those days, you didn't have a locker so you had an enormous amount of books balanced on the carrier tied up. Of course the hill near Dromoland Castle was the challenge on the cycle."
''It was at St Flannan's where President Higgins earned the nickname 'Snowall', and he quipped yesterday: "I was very pale and retiring of course — something that has stuck with me."
Addressing students in the school's assembly hall, President Higgins said entering the school in 1955 as a first year, "it was before free secondary education and it was quite a privilege to be able to go to secondary school at all".
President Higgins recalled his two years boarding at the college and the compulsory hurling on Wednesdays.''
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2025, 07:38:14 PMBunker's oul mask slips from time to time ;)
A weird hill to die on.
Looks like ye lads were the ones that half read ye're research. ;D
But if you rather the other story - sure stick with it.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2025, 07:38:14 PMBunker's oul mask slips from time to time ;)
Stick to reading Sunday World articles...... ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 12, 2025, 07:47:30 PMAddressing students in the school's assembly hall, President Higgins said entering the school in 1955 as a first year, "it was before free secondary education and it was quite a privilege to be able to go to secondary school at all".
This does not state that he paid for the school rather than receiving a scholarship. He would be well able to win a scholarship if one exists.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 12, 2025, 09:24:23 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on September 12, 2025, 07:47:30 PMAddressing students in the school's assembly hall, President Higgins said entering the school in 1955 as a first year, "it was before free secondary education and it was quite a privilege to be able to go to secondary school at all".
This does not state that he paid for the school rather than receiving a scholarship. He would be well able to win a scholarship if one exists.
It does not state that it was paid for either by a scholarship. And It's your quote....
Mary Robinson on LLS. She'd be head and shoulders above any other candidate if she ran again.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 12, 2025, 10:49:12 PMMary Robinson on LLS. She'd be head and shoulders above any other candidate if she ran again.
The same Mary who twice refused to meet with the families of the Bloody Sunday victims.
https://x.com/DanielCollins85/status/1267451641600659458?t=50kwUttbdoy8S42C2yhF2w&s=19 (https://x.com/DanielCollins85/status/1267451641600659458?t=50kwUttbdoy8S42C2yhF2w&s=19)
No candidate nominated by Fingal CoCo
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/0912/1533109-presidential-election/
Jim Gavin's campaign has not taken off! ;D
https://x.com/TullMcAdoo/status/1967297689110065320
Heather Humphrys botched a question on whether her husband was in the Orange Order or not. Hint - he was
What's with SF not putting forward a candidate? Is there a reason for not doing so in such a major election?
Is there a chance all of them could lose the election?
Quote from: trileacman on September 14, 2025, 11:07:20 PMWhat's with SF not putting forward a candidate? Is there a reason for not doing so in such a major election?
They couldn't persuade MLMD. They are confirming one way or another on the 20th.
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 14, 2025, 11:18:30 PMIs there a chance all of them could lose the election?
Varadkar says Gavin was FG until last week...
sc**bag McGregor has "withdrawn" from the race.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 15, 2025, 08:10:15 AMsc**bag McGregor has "withdrawn" from the race.
He'll do some yapping from the sideline now. Surprised he wasn't able to bribe a few to support him.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 14, 2025, 11:22:21 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 14, 2025, 11:07:20 PMWhat's with SF not putting forward a candidate? Is there a reason for not doing so in such a major election?
They couldn't persuade MLMD. They are confirming one way or another on the 20th.
Letting them all eat themselves before making a call I'd say. Jim Gavin has been far from impressive, Heather Humphrey's the most 'polished' but the whole issue around the husband and OO membership does not sit well. Catherine Connolly the most principled but not sure if she has the gravitas to carry the job. SF may back her but you never know who they might push out now. Humphrey's likely to be the winner as things stand but don't think she is the right fit personally
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 15, 2025, 09:19:59 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 14, 2025, 11:22:21 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 14, 2025, 11:07:20 PMWhat's with SF not putting forward a candidate? Is there a reason for not doing so in such a major election?
They couldn't persuade MLMD. They are confirming one way or another on the 20th.
Letting them all eat themselves before making a call I'd say. Jim Gavin has been far from impressive, Heather Humphrey's the most 'polished' but the whole issue around the husband and OO membership does not sit well. Catherine Connolly the most principled but not sure if she has the gravitas to carry the job. SF may back her but you never know who they might push out now. Humphrey's likely to be the winner as things stand but don't think she is the right fit personally
HH and the whole OO thing could be a positive down the line for a United Ireland. Small first steps and all that.
Quote from: Look-Up! on September 15, 2025, 09:27:13 AMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 15, 2025, 09:19:59 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 14, 2025, 11:22:21 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 14, 2025, 11:07:20 PMWhat's with SF not putting forward a candidate? Is there a reason for not doing so in such a major election?
They couldn't persuade MLMD. They are confirming one way or another on the 20th.
Letting them all eat themselves before making a call I'd say. Jim Gavin has been far from impressive, Heather Humphrey's the most 'polished' but the whole issue around the husband and OO membership does not sit well. Catherine Connolly the most principled but not sure if she has the gravitas to carry the job. SF may back her but you never know who they might push out now. Humphrey's likely to be the winner as things stand but don't think she is the right fit personally
HH and the whole OO thing could be a positive down the line for a United Ireland. Small first steps and all that.
More the way she's dealing with it. Deny, ask him, yes he was, etc etc. Own it and accept it otherwise it looks like you're hiding something
Jesus this is a long drawn out malarkey!
When is it being voted on?
24th October.
Councils meeting this week or next. Odds are they won't nominate any Independents.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 15, 2025, 08:10:15 AMsc**bag McGregor has "withdrawn" from the race.
needed 4 councils to say yes to him to get on the ballot paper and apparently was to get none so pulled out before he embarrassed himself further while making a silly excuse for his "withdrawn" from the race.
His tweets were barely readable, I always feel sad when I see those clips of MMA/BOXERS before and after say ten years. The cognitive decline and function being so obvious, especially when much wasn't there to begin with.
Quote from: Look-Up! on September 15, 2025, 09:27:13 AMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 15, 2025, 09:19:59 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 14, 2025, 11:22:21 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 14, 2025, 11:07:20 PMWhat's with SF not putting forward a candidate? Is there a reason for not doing so in such a major election?
They couldn't persuade MLMD. They are confirming one way or another on the 20th.
Letting them all eat themselves before making a call I'd say. Jim Gavin has been far from impressive, Heather Humphrey's the most 'polished' but the whole issue around the husband and OO membership does not sit well. Catherine Connolly the most principled but not sure if she has the gravitas to carry the job. SF may back her but you never know who they might push out now. Humphrey's likely to be the winner as things stand but don't think she is the right fit personally
HH and the whole OO thing could be a positive down the line for a United Ireland. Small first steps and all that.
Then own it. Don't refuse to answer the question.
If FG want to push her religion as a plus, they should have seen this coming. Same old inability to run a good campaign. Did they not do a background check?
But this does leave the possibility that the 'first gentleman' is a sectarian bigot who has a role in the Presidency, lives in the Aras, while not recognising the office or indeed the Republic.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 15, 2025, 02:17:41 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on September 15, 2025, 09:27:13 AMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 15, 2025, 09:19:59 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 14, 2025, 11:22:21 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 14, 2025, 11:07:20 PMWhat's with SF not putting forward a candidate? Is there a reason for not doing so in such a major election?
They couldn't persuade MLMD. They are confirming one way or another on the 20th.
Letting them all eat themselves before making a call I'd say. Jim Gavin has been far from impressive, Heather Humphrey's the most 'polished' but the whole issue around the husband and OO membership does not sit well. Catherine Connolly the most principled but not sure if she has the gravitas to carry the job. SF may back her but you never know who they might push out now. Humphrey's likely to be the winner as things stand but don't think she is the right fit personally
HH and the whole OO thing could be a positive down the line for a United Ireland. Small first steps and all that.
Then own it. Don't refuse to answer the question.
If FG want to push her religion as a plus, they should have seen this coming. Same old inability to run a good campaign. Did they not do a background check?
But this does leave the possibility that the 'first gentleman' is a sectarian bigot who has a role in the Presidency, lives in the Aras, while not recognising the office or indeed the Republic.
That's my read on it too. Non issue of his or her religion but failing to deal adequately with the questions around the husband shows at a minimum a lack of understanding that it might be an issue or at worse an arrogance to think she's above that.
SF may be holding fire and winning an election by default
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 15, 2025, 02:17:41 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on September 15, 2025, 09:27:13 AMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 15, 2025, 09:19:59 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 14, 2025, 11:22:21 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 14, 2025, 11:07:20 PMWhat's with SF not putting forward a candidate? Is there a reason for not doing so in such a major election?
They couldn't persuade MLMD. They are confirming one way or another on the 20th.
Letting them all eat themselves before making a call I'd say. Jim Gavin has been far from impressive, Heather Humphrey's the most 'polished' but the whole issue around the husband and OO membership does not sit well. Catherine Connolly the most principled but not sure if she has the gravitas to carry the job. SF may back her but you never know who they might push out now. Humphrey's likely to be the winner as things stand but don't think she is the right fit personally
HH and the whole OO thing could be a positive down the line for a United Ireland. Small first steps and all that.
Then own it. Don't refuse to answer the question.
If FG want to push her religion as a plus, they should have seen this coming. Same old inability to run a good campaign. Did they not do a background check?
But this does leave the possibility that the 'first gentleman' is a sectarian bigot who has a role in the Presidency, lives in the Aras, while not recognising the office or indeed the Republic.
Do 26 Cos members of the Orange Order really not recognise the State or the office of Uachtarán?
Quote from: Rossfan on September 15, 2025, 03:03:11 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 15, 2025, 02:17:41 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on September 15, 2025, 09:27:13 AMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 15, 2025, 09:19:59 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 14, 2025, 11:22:21 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 14, 2025, 11:07:20 PMWhat's with SF not putting forward a candidate? Is there a reason for not doing so in such a major election?
They couldn't persuade MLMD. They are confirming one way or another on the 20th.
Letting them all eat themselves before making a call I'd say. Jim Gavin has been far from impressive, Heather Humphrey's the most 'polished' but the whole issue around the husband and OO membership does not sit well. Catherine Connolly the most principled but not sure if she has the gravitas to carry the job. SF may back her but you never know who they might push out now. Humphrey's likely to be the winner as things stand but don't think she is the right fit personally
HH and the whole OO thing could be a positive down the line for a United Ireland. Small first steps and all that.
Then own it. Don't refuse to answer the question.
If FG want to push her religion as a plus, they should have seen this coming. Same old inability to run a good campaign. Did they not do a background check?
But this does leave the possibility that the 'first gentleman' is a sectarian bigot who has a role in the Presidency, lives in the Aras, while not recognising the office or indeed the Republic.
Do 26 Cos members of the Orange Order really not recognise the State or the office of Uachtarán?
I'd find it extremely hard to believe that the man could refuse to recognise the state that his wife served as TD and minister.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 15, 2025, 10:36:24 AMJesus this is a long drawn out malarkey!
When is it being voted on?
Just wait till you see American presidential elections!
Hillarious how the media's reporting McGregor pulling out of the race. As if he was ever in it.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 15, 2025, 04:07:13 PMQuote from: Rossfan on September 15, 2025, 03:03:11 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 15, 2025, 02:17:41 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on September 15, 2025, 09:27:13 AMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 15, 2025, 09:19:59 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 14, 2025, 11:22:21 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 14, 2025, 11:07:20 PMWhat's with SF not putting forward a candidate? Is there a reason for not doing so in such a major election?
They couldn't persuade MLMD. They are confirming one way or another on the 20th.
Letting them all eat themselves before making a call I'd say. Jim Gavin has been far from impressive, Heather Humphrey's the most 'polished' but the whole issue around the husband and OO membership does not sit well. Catherine Connolly the most principled but not sure if she has the gravitas to carry the job. SF may back her but you never know who they might push out now. Humphrey's likely to be the winner as things stand but don't think she is the right fit personally
HH and the whole OO thing could be a positive down the line for a United Ireland. Small first steps and all that.
Then own it. Don't refuse to answer the question.
If FG want to push her religion as a plus, they should have seen this coming. Same old inability to run a good campaign. Did they not do a background check?
But this does leave the possibility that the 'first gentleman' is a sectarian bigot who has a role in the Presidency, lives in the Aras, while not recognising the office or indeed the Republic.
Do 26 Cos members of the Orange Order really not recognise the State or the office of Uachtarán?
I'd find it extremely hard to believe that the man could refuse to recognise the state that his wife served as TD and minister.
Why not?
Did he suddenly change his core beliefs overnight?
All she needs to do is to explain the situation.
I read he says has no intention on moving into the Aras.
McGregor in the race was a laughing stock, but the bollacks did have a valid point on how a candidate is put forward. Due to councils been lopsided along political party lines, independents have a harder time getting elected. Should it not be people rather that the politicians who decide who can run and who cannot. I don't think Gavin would make a good president, what's his political knowledge of world affairs. Any tine I seen him on tv football related, he put you to sleep!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 16, 2025, 12:01:59 AMMcGregor in the race was a laughing stock, but the bollacks did have a valid point on how a candidate is put forward. Due to councils been lopsided along political party lines, independents have a harder time getting elected. Should it not be people rather that the politicians who decide who can run and who cannot. I don't think Gavin would make a good president, what's his political knowledge of world affairs. Any tine I seen him on tv football related, he put you to sleep!
Agreed. Let the electorate make a fool out of him, this way he can yap about democracy being denied.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 16, 2025, 12:01:59 AMMcGregor in the race was a laughing stock, but the bollacks did have a valid point on how a candidate is put forward. Due to councils been lopsided along political party lines, independents have a harder time getting elected. Should it not be people rather that the politicians who decide who can run and who cannot. I don't think Gavin would make a good president, what's his political knowledge of world affairs. Any tine I seen him on tv football related, he put you to sleep!
The past 3 Presidents have been independents. Connolly is an independent. The problem is the slops going forward this time.
I can fully understand if the mods dissappear this post, but a rumour swirling about Gavin and his friends daughter. And it's from a fair few different sources.
A tough one to manage as nobody will directly confront him with it. He can't exactly make a statement about it either.
You can't have a tital free for all with loads of single issue candidates etc.
Maybe 10 Oireachtas members or 2 Councils be enough?
Anyway it would have to be voted on by the people and there are bigger issues than how to get nominated to contest an Election for a pretty powerless post.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 16, 2025, 03:26:44 PMI can fully understand if the mods dissappear this post, but a rumour swirling about Gavin and his friends daughter. And it's from a fair few different sources.
A tough one to manage as nobody will directly confront him with it. He can't exactly make a statement about it either.
I see your man promoting that rumour is now claiming he has a compromising video of Mehole Martin
Quote from: Brendan on September 17, 2025, 02:17:08 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 16, 2025, 03:26:44 PMI can fully understand if the mods dissappear this post, but a rumour swirling about Gavin and his friends daughter. And it's from a fair few different sources.
A tough one to manage as nobody will directly confront him with it. He can't exactly make a statement about it either.
I see your man promoting that rumour is now claiming he has a compromising video of Mehole Martin
Seen that, your man seems to have a few screws lose. Rumours about Gavin and Stephen Cluxtons wife being spread by the same boyo.
I see a lot of imported phrases like conservative/ Christian values around the likes of Maria Steen.
There seems to be a lot of social chat on her being excluded, but she only has 10 TDs/ Senators so that's a big gap to close.
Gareth Sheridan won 2 councils so far because he obviously did the grunt work.
None of them are exactly breathtaking and I look forward to them getting a grilling. Of course, you can scream that these amazing independent voices are being blocked by the powers that be, or we could say that they are not serious people.
Quote from: Brendan on September 17, 2025, 02:17:08 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 16, 2025, 03:26:44 PMI can fully understand if the mods dissappear this post, but a rumour swirling about Gavin and his friends daughter. And it's from a fair few different sources.
A tough one to manage as nobody will directly confront him with it. He can't exactly make a statement about it either.
I see your man promoting that rumour is now claiming he has a compromising video of Mehole Martin
This is coming from a few places, and not all wingnuts online
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 17, 2025, 03:27:55 PMQuote from: Brendan on September 17, 2025, 02:17:08 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 16, 2025, 03:26:44 PMI can fully understand if the mods dissappear this post, but a rumour swirling about Gavin and his friends daughter. And it's from a fair few different sources.
A tough one to manage as nobody will directly confront him with it. He can't exactly make a statement about it either.
I see your man promoting that rumour is now claiming he has a compromising video of Mehole Martin
This is coming from a few places, and not all wingnuts online
Has anything actually been posted or just rumour that there is a video?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 16, 2025, 03:26:44 PMI can fully understand if the mods dissappear this post, but a rumour swirling about Gavin and his friends daughter. And it's from a fair few different sources.
A tough one to manage as nobody will directly confront him with it. He can't exactly make a statement about it either.
Had that sent to me by two different people like they had scurrilous information. The boy put on his Facebook is an absolute maggot. I scrolled down and no surprise he wants to "take our country back", promoting that Gavin Pepper and his cronies.
Calls himself a Christian usually a clue: So much for "let him who is without sin etc" ... is that the one?
And to drag two families into that. Am no fan of Gavin but boy posted that is a sc**bag.
Quote from: Truthsayer on September 17, 2025, 04:23:51 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 16, 2025, 03:26:44 PMI can fully understand if the mods dissappear this post, but a rumour swirling about Gavin and his friends daughter. And it's from a fair few different sources.
A tough one to manage as nobody will directly confront him with it. He can't exactly make a statement about it either.
Had that sent to me by two different people like they had scurrilous information. The boy put on his Facebook is an absolute maggot. I scrolled down and no surprise he wants to "take our country back", promoting that Gavin Pepper and his cronies.
Calls himself a Christian usually a clue: So much for "let him who is without sin etc" ... is that the one?
And to drag two families into that. Am no fan of Gavin but boy posted that is a sc**bag.
Yeah a good test on a lot of issues is that id you find yourself on the side of the likes of Pepper then you would want to have another think about it. Clown
Just cane across him recently, have been looking back a bit through his posts. He's a man on a mission, I didn't quite get the gist of the full back-story, but seems his son was killed in suspicious circumstances. Some of the stuff he has up is very grim. Dodgy guards, dodgy politicians, etc. I suppose we all accept that there will always be degrees of corruption, but the degrees we are willing to ignore or accept seems to make some feel they can go as far as they like with little risk of exposure or consequences. The take back Ireland stuff the last week is a bit fantastical alright, but if there is substance to any of his accusations, and it led to convictions, then let him fire away. You'd imagine he'd have the bollix sued of himself by now if he's come up with empty allegations.
Posting about Stephen Cluxton, including a picture of him and his wife, was crass, irresponsible and uncalled for. If there was a story, Cluxton doesn't deserve that sort of publicity. Just leave it at the wife of a highly decorated Dublin footballer, but gossip and sensationalism in the worst tabloid tradition always saw innocent bystanders as collateral damage.
I'm also surprised, or at least perplexed, that Fianna Fail didn't do due diligence, a simple one question questionnaire- Do you have any skeletons in the closet we might need to know about?
Quote from: Substandard on September 17, 2025, 08:02:08 PMJust cane across him recently, have been looking back a bit through his posts. He's a man on a mission, I didn't quite get the gist of the full back-story, but seems his son was killed in suspicious circumstances. Some of the stuff he has up is very grim. Dodgy guards, dodgy politicians, etc. I suppose we all accept that there will always be degrees of corruption, but the degrees we are willing to ignore or accept seems to make some feel they can go as far as they like with little risk of exposure or consequences. The take back Ireland stuff the last week is a bit fantastical alright, but if there is substance to any of his accusations, and it led to convictions, then let him fire away. You'd imagine he'd have the bollix sued of himself by now if he's come up with empty allegations.
Posting about Stephen Cluxton, including a picture of him and his wife, was crass, irresponsible and uncalled for. If there was a story, Cluxton doesn't deserve that sort of publicity. Just leave it at the wife of a highly decorated Dublin footballer, but gossip and sensationalism in the worst tabloid tradition always saw innocent bystanders as collateral damage.
I'm also surprised, or at least perplexed, that Fianna Fail didn't do due diligence, a simple one question questionnaire- Do you have any skeletons in the closet we might need to know about?
This is the problem, and it's bigger than just this.
The assumption is that if the rumour was false, Twitter or the courts would have it taken down, and if they haven't, maybe there is fire behind the smoke.
But Twitter doesn't take down child porn, never mind algorithm friendly conspiracy stuff. They are generally ignoring the courts.
I would also assume Cluxton, from my very brief interactions and what I gather, is the last person to be on the socials. Did he even know about it to try and take action.
But is this nut the ultimate source of the rumour?
Poor Councillirs have some right loopers seeking nominations.....
Charlie Keddy is a Kilcoole native who has been contesting – unsuccessfully – local and national elections since 1985 when he first ran for Wicklow County Council for the Labour Party. During his speech, he vowed to be a figurehead for the unborn.
When asked by Cllr O'Brien how he would represent those in LGBTQI+ community, Mr Keddy said he was "Irish by birth and Irish by heart". "I only entertain one national anthem, one national flag," he said.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 18, 2025, 04:25:12 PMPoor Councillirs have some right loopers seeking nominations.....
Charlie Keddy is a Kilcoole native who has been contesting – unsuccessfully – local and national elections since 1985 when he first ran for Wicklow County Council for the Labour Party. During his speech, he vowed to be a figurehead for the unborn.
When asked by Cllr O'Brien how he would represent those in LGBTQI+ community, Mr Keddy said he was "Irish by birth and Irish by heart". "I only entertain one national anthem, one national flag," he said.
Nothing new about that, happens for every election. Always a dozen loons there for the light refreshments
Meanwhile the Shinners are building up the suspense
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2025/0918/1534180-sinn-fein-presidential-election/
Quote from: Rossfan on September 18, 2025, 04:28:42 PMMeanwhile the Shinners are building up the suspense
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2025/0918/1534180-sinn-fein-presidential-election/
"Sinn Féin game changer"... about to scupper Catherine Connollys chances and hand the Presidency to Jim Gavin.
Who are they running?
Brolly? Jarlath? Arlene Foster.....
if they don't back Connolly it pretty much hands it to FFG candidates...
only person that I can think of that might change that would be Brendan Gleeson based on his general popularity.
Not running and backing Connolly would be a game changer but looks like a big gun.. Michelle?
The Sinn Fein candidate can speak a bit of Irish and links to GAA. Some speculating it's Jarlath Burns. He'd enjoy the presidential speeches, more so than Jim Gavin, who always struck me as uncomfortable with public speaking.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on September 18, 2025, 05:47:52 PMif they don't back Connolly it pretty much hands it to FFG candidates...
Including SF, PBP, Greens, Soc Dems and Labour got about 35% in the GE.
FF and FG about 20 each.
Whovever of the latter 2 get highest 1st Pref like winner when the other is eliminated.
Quote from: weareros on September 18, 2025, 06:34:56 PMThe Sinn Fein candidate can speak a bit of Irish and links to GAA. Some speculating it's Jarlath Burns. He'd enjoy the presidential speeches, more so than Jim Gavin, who always struck me as uncomfortable with public speaking.
Do any of Kneecap lads have any direct role in GAA?
Burns rules himself out.
Meanwhile Michael Healy-Rae signs Steen's papers. He says it's in the interests of Democracy as he'll be supporting HH.
Quote from: DaleCooper on September 19, 2025, 12:05:17 PMQuote from: weareros on September 18, 2025, 06:34:56 PMThe Sinn Fein candidate can speak a bit of Irish and links to GAA. Some speculating it's Jarlath Burns. He'd enjoy the presidential speeches, more so than Jim Gavin, who always struck me as uncomfortable with public speaking.
Do any of Kneecap lads have any direct role in GAA?
One played a bit of hurling and football at underage for St Pauls I believe.
Is that enough?
Quote from: DaleCooper on September 19, 2025, 12:05:17 PMQuote from: weareros on September 18, 2025, 06:34:56 PMThe Sinn Fein candidate can speak a bit of Irish and links to GAA. Some speculating it's Jarlath Burns. He'd enjoy the presidential speeches, more so than Jim Gavin, who always struck me as uncomfortable with public speaking.
Do any of Kneecap lads have any direct role in GAA?
What age do you have to be to run?
They'd get about 95% of the youth vote.
Sean Og id be betting on. Ticks all the boxes.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 19, 2025, 12:35:09 PMQuote from: DaleCooper on September 19, 2025, 12:05:17 PMQuote from: weareros on September 18, 2025, 06:34:56 PMThe Sinn Fein candidate can speak a bit of Irish and links to GAA. Some speculating it's Jarlath Burns. He'd enjoy the presidential speeches, more so than Jim Gavin, who always struck me as uncomfortable with public speaking.
Do any of Kneecap lads have any direct role in GAA?
What age do you have to be to run?
They'd get about 95% of the youth vote.
35
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2025, 12:11:31 PMBurns rules himself out.
Meanwhile Michael Healy-Rae signs Steen's papers. He says it's in the interests of Democracy as he'll be supporting HH.
Called it pages back...
Itd be amusing at least but I cant see them doing so as it would cause too much controversy, association with violence but who knows.
Quote from: ardtole on September 19, 2025, 12:49:28 PMSean Og id be betting on. Ticks all the boxes.
Sean Óg who?
Don't say O hAilpín!
Quote from: Tubberman on September 19, 2025, 02:09:04 PMQuote from: ardtole on September 19, 2025, 12:49:28 PMSean Og id be betting on. Ticks all the boxes.
Sean Óg who?
Don't say O hAilpín!
The Sean Ógs would be fluent. Mary Lou's candidate is proficient in Irish which I took to mean, they have a cúpla focail more than Heather Humphries (which is nearly anyone who ever put on a GAA geansaí - even Jack Grealish). Bookies must be delighted - they've made a few quid off those who rushed to put money on Jarlath.
Quote from: weareros on September 19, 2025, 05:00:22 PMQuote from: Tubberman on September 19, 2025, 02:09:04 PMQuote from: ardtole on September 19, 2025, 12:49:28 PMSean Og id be betting on. Ticks all the boxes.
Sean Óg who?
Don't say O hAilpín!
The Sean Ógs would be fluent. Mary Lou's candidate is proficient in Irish which I took to mean, they have a cúpla focail more than Heather Humphries (which is nearly anyone who ever put on a GAA geansaí - even Jack Grealish). Bookies must be delighted - they've made a few quid off those who rushed to put money on Jarlath.
Fluent but also unable-eh-to-eh-dynaw-like-eh-string-a-dynaw-like-sentence together
Grand Old Duke of York..................
Shinners have no ace up the sleeve.
Sinn Féin has announced that it will support Independent candidate Catherine Connolly in the Presidential Election, ending months of speculation over its position.
That is a game changer. Good news!
The opposition can't offer a candidate. Usual all talk bluster.
Quote from: mrdeeds on September 20, 2025, 01:24:59 PMThe opposition can't offer a candidate. Usual all talk bluster.
What exactly is Connolly?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2025, 02:29:17 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on September 20, 2025, 01:24:59 PMThe opposition can't offer a candidate. Usual all talk bluster.
What exactly is Connolly?
Hopefully the next President of Ireland.
Quote from: Truthsayer on September 20, 2025, 02:31:40 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2025, 02:29:17 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on September 20, 2025, 01:24:59 PMThe opposition can't offer a candidate. Usual all talk bluster.
What exactly is Connolly?
Hopefully the next President of Ireland.
She just needs to keep her head down. The other two dweebs are going to self implode
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2025, 02:38:34 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on September 20, 2025, 02:31:40 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2025, 02:29:17 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on September 20, 2025, 01:24:59 PMThe opposition can't offer a candidate. Usual all talk bluster.
What exactly is Connolly?
Hopefully the next President of Ireland.
She just needs to keep her head down. The other two dweebs are going to self implode
At least they can't form a coalition or share half terms each to keep her out.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2025, 02:29:17 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on September 20, 2025, 01:24:59 PMThe opposition can't offer a candidate. Usual all talk bluster.
What exactly is Connolly?
A tankie idiot who thinks that sovereign counties with democratically elected governments joining a defensive alliance in order to protect themselves from the oligarchical dictatorship and brutal former colonial master next door is war mongering.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on September 20, 2025, 02:52:50 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2025, 02:29:17 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on September 20, 2025, 01:24:59 PMThe opposition can't offer a candidate. Usual all talk bluster.
What exactly is Connolly?
A tankie idiot who thinks that sovereign counties with democratically elected governments joining a defensive alliance in order to protect themselves from the oligarchical dictatorship and brutal former colonial master next door is war mongering.
not this dose again...
Shinners looking right eejits after all the sh1te talk during the week.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 20, 2025, 02:57:21 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on September 20, 2025, 02:52:50 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2025, 02:29:17 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on September 20, 2025, 01:24:59 PMThe opposition can't offer a candidate. Usual all talk bluster.
What exactly is Connolly?
A tankie idiot who thinks that sovereign counties with democratically elected governments joining a defensive alliance in order to protect themselves from the oligarchical dictatorship and brutal former colonial master next door is war mongering.
not this dose again...
Cry more. And when you're done crying, have a go a refuting what I said about Connolly.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2025, 03:03:52 PMShinners looking right eejits after all the sh1te talk during the week.
I thought they were putting up their own candidate but they were correct in saying this will be a game changer... big time!
Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2025, 03:03:52 PMShinners looking right eejits after all the sh1te talk during the week.
They have been looking right eejits for a long time at this stage. Rebels without a cause, or even a clue - anymore.
Establishment lackies furious SF didn't ruin Connolly's chance. They knew they wouldn't get in. Good move, hopefully keep that shower out.
Surely it wasn't Connolly they were referring to when they built up anticipation about a game-changer candidate with some Irish and GAA links. Bizarre stuff from Mary Lou.
Quote from: weareros on September 20, 2025, 03:22:33 PMSurely it wasn't Connolly they were referring to when they built up anticipation about a game-changer candidate with some Irish and GAA links. Bizarre stuff from Mary Lou.
They probably though.... "well if it works for Trump"
Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2025, 03:03:52 PMShinners looking right eejits after all the sh1te talk during the week.
Once you see they work in a fashion similar to Qanon a lot more makes sense. Disappointed loyalists will be saying "amazing this is who we wanted"
Tbf they were never likely to rock the boat given their polling.
They could have just said "Decision next Saturday" instead of all tge dung McDonald spouted.
Steen and Sheridan the only other possibilities of making the ballot paper.
Restaurant Gemma will have some meltdown if Steen doesn't make the ballot.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2025, 03:03:52 PMShinners looking right eejits after all the sh1te talk during the week.
Were they shitetalking or were the press filling a void on their behalf?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2025, 04:48:37 PMQuote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2025, 03:03:52 PMShinners looking right eejits after all the sh1te talk during the week.
Were they shitetalking or were the press filling a void on their behalf?
"I can tell you one thing about Sinn Féin, we are bursting with characters who are fit to run for the president and I've no doubt about it," - Pearse Doherty
They were definitely shite-talking. Amateur hour from the Shinners.
If SF are to go into government they will have to form a coalition.
This move could aid their chances of doing so if it works out.
I would imagine that will be the party spin on things.
Will be interesting to see if Jarlath was lined up and got cold feet
Jarlath and Jim tossed a coin, used the secret handshake and decided no blood letting was to take place.
The Family comes before all else.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2025, 04:00:01 PMThey could have just said "Decision next Saturday" instead of all tge dung McDonald spouted.
She was asked by a RnaG interviewer if the person they were backing had Irish, and she answered "a lot" and that the party's participation would be "a game changer. It will be very much game on".
So in reality, she was at the ploughing and answered a few journalists questions (fairly briefly) and took the opportunity in her answer to (shock...horror...) try build up a degree of interest in the candidate they were backing for an upcoming election.
You make it sound like she made a video of herself "talking dung" while prancing around a farm in bright white trousers.
Another example of the need for a vetting process to get on on the ballot paper.
"There has been no candidate nominated for the presidency by Clare County Council after a special meeting saw five prospective candidates present to the local authority.
Prospective candidate and self-proclaimed "number one Irish Trump fan" Sarah Louise Mulligan stirred up uncomfortable scenes in the chamber as her views on "uncontrolled illegal mass migration", violence against women, and free speech rubbed multiple councillors the wrong way"
Meanwhile young Sheridan accepts his campaign is at an end.
Steen did not get the Leitrim county council nomination after reports earlier they would nominate her. Conservative Ireland not too happy - they seem to think other parties should automatically put her on ballot. Peadar still working on getting 20 Oireachtas votes.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2025, 04:34:21 PMAnother example of the need for a vetting process to get on on the ballot paper.
"There has been no candidate nominated for the presidency by Clare County Council after a special meeting saw five prospective candidates present to the local authority.
Prospective candidate and self-proclaimed "number one Irish Trump fan" Sarah Louise Mulligan stirred up uncomfortable scenes in the chamber as her views on "uncontrolled illegal mass migration", violence against women, and free speech rubbed multiple councillors the wrong way"
Meanwhile young Sheridan accepts his campaign is at an end.
Mulligan was there for the video - that will be edited for the Yanks to look like she was 'saying it how it is'. Don't forget to donate.
I still have no idea who Sheridan is or what was the point, but we move on.
So realistically it is 3 and an outside chance of Steen. Considering it was 6 in 18 and 7 in 11 that's not brilliant.
Connolly wins this now.
Quote from: weareros on September 22, 2025, 05:39:04 PMSteen did not get the Leitrim county council nomination after reports earlier they would nominate her. Conservative Ireland not too happy - .
They're in meltdown ;D
Revenge for Jimmy Gralton!
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2025, 08:59:21 PMQuote from: weareros on September 22, 2025, 05:39:04 PMSteen did not get the Leitrim county council nomination after reports earlier they would nominate her. Conservative Ireland not too happy - .
They're in meltdown ;D
Revenge for Jimmy Gralton!
Brilliant Rossfan! They'll be trying to pull some dirt to stop Connolly though.. now throwing Hamas at her. FF/FG gutted it isn't SF to so they can wheel out victims they couldn't care less about when there is no election on.
FF got Facebook to take down the Gavin allegations. Probably the only approach they could take.
Marian Harkin to sign Steen's nomination papers but like Healy -Rae says she'll be voting for Humphreys.
The Captain Kieran Kelly must be the craziest thing ever in an Irish presidential election - the correspondence with Irish Times journalist yesterday was bizarre. A right wing loon but who's behind him? He plans to share more info on eve of election.
Steen gets 4 Ind nominations. Now estimated on 18. Needs two more.
Incidentally, she was in conversation with Captain Kelly in early Sept. i's say there's a story there for a good investigative journalist.
Quote from: weareros on September 23, 2025, 11:54:22 AMThe Captain Kieran Kelly must be the craziest thing ever in an Irish presidential election - the correspondence with Irish Times journalist yesterday was bizarre. A right wing loon but who's behind him? He plans to share more info on eve of election.
Jim has sent solicitors letters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vzn723l92o (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vzn723l92o)
Il Capitano is doubling down on Facebook.
He has put up the text chat with Gallagher as a gotcha. It's verbatim what was written up. He is going to release the video when his 'intel people' prove it is correct and then only the day before the election when it can't be reported on.
Quote from: weareros on September 23, 2025, 11:54:22 AMThe Captain Kieran Kelly must be the craziest thing ever in an Irish presidential election - the correspondence with Irish Times journalist yesterday was bizarre. A right wing loon but who's behind him? He plans to share more info made up nonsense on eve of election.
Fixed that for you.
This is going to sound odd, but little Miggledy is considered an adorable little old man with his dogs and schoolkids love him. It's all vibes and then you have people making fun art prints and tea cosys, etc.
He uses this soft power to speak out and push the boundary of what the President should say. But even then his cuddly persona and views sit well with the middle class.
Now, we have Catherine Connolly who comes across as much more serious and stern who wants to take up that batton but the middle class types are just not as fond of her, so she is getting it already. Her comments on Hamas are being jumped on, etc by people who would applaud Michael D for similar.
Jim Gavin has no warmth at all and Heather Humphries is floundering already. Maria Steen is not someone I agree on but I'd like her in it to at least have another candidate in the mix.
It's a poxy enough choice to be honest.
Meehole and RTE giving it to Catherine Connolly already. Despicable little man.
She's playing Senior hurling now ;D
The Irish Presidental election is the most grubby election.. already it has started trying to demean opponents, dish the dirt, squalid accusations. Martin will have to bring over a few victims of Hamas as with SF's absence he can't exploit IRA victims. Though wtf Connolly has to do with Hamas is beyond me.
Can they not just promote the qualities of their own candidates?
Quote from: Truthsayer on September 23, 2025, 06:21:01 PMThe Irish Presidental election is the most grubby election.. already it has started trying to demean opponents, dish the dirt, squalid accusations. Martin will have to bring over a few victims of Hamas as with SF's absence he can't exploit IRA victims. Though wtf Connolly has to do with Hamas is beyond me.
Can they not just promote the qualities of their own candidates?
Correct. SF have pulled a fly one in not running a candidate but supporting CC. This has triggered FFG big time.
They'd have dusted down and wheeled out the 'victims' of the troubles for their own squalid grubby pont scoring.
Now they're doing the same to CC re: her factual remarks on Hamas. People see through their waffle.
It was mentioned already but SF need that left alliance and this will help them.
Connolly will get strips tore off her, along with all the others, but at least it's not one of their own.
Steen is two short now.
RTÉ report:
Barrister Maria Steen's efforts to become a presidential candidate look to have stalled as she still does not have the backing of the required 20 members of the Oireachtas.
The close of nominations is midday and as things stand, this presidential election could have the lowest number of candidates in 35 years.
Ms Steen is now two names short of a presidential nomination after Senator Aubrey McCarthy told RTÉ's Morning Ireland he will sign her nomination papers. Ends.
Be some candles lit this morning!
Quote from: Truthsayer on September 24, 2025, 09:35:28 AMRTÉ report:
Barrister Maria Steen's efforts to become a presidential candidate look to have stalled as she still does not have the backing of the required 20 members of the Oireachtas.
The close of nominations is midday and as things stand, this presidential election could have the lowest number of candidates in 35 years.
Ms Steen is now two names short of a presidential nomination after Senator Aubrey McCarthy told RTÉ's Morning Ireland he will sign her nomination papers. Ends.
Be some candles lit this morning!
Apparantly she wants FFG politicians to break the whip. Which means she is cooked.
Especially as she'd be taking votes off the "FFG" candidates.
Looks like it's all over for the Irish Trumpies who wanted to use presidential election to restart up culture wars over marriage equality, women's choice. Good riddance.
Quote from: weareros on September 24, 2025, 11:37:35 AMLooks like it's all over for the Irish Trumpies who wanted to use presidential election to restart up culture wars over marriage equality, women's choice. Good riddance.
Think in the interests of fairness Steen should be allowed run and let the people decide to reject her.
Elected politicians rejected her.
Anyway it's a 3 horse race.
Hopefully we don't all die of boredom as the candidates try to avoid saying anything for the next month.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 24, 2025, 12:11:07 PMQuote from: weareros on September 24, 2025, 11:37:35 AMLooks like it's all over for the Irish Trumpies who wanted to use presidential election to restart up culture wars over marriage equality, women's choice. Good riddance.
Think in the interests of fairness Steen should be allowed run and let the people decide to reject her.
Nah there's a good reason to prevent every Tom Dick and Harry running.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 24, 2025, 12:11:07 PMQuote from: weareros on September 24, 2025, 11:37:35 AMLooks like it's all over for the Irish Trumpies who wanted to use presidential election to restart up culture wars over marriage equality, women's choice. Good riddance.
Think in the interests of fairness Steen should be allowed run and let the people decide to reject her.
The Irish constitution provides a few routes. She joined the race in late August, failed to get 4 local authorities, failed to get 20 members of the Oireachtas. Her aunt Joan Freeman secured 4 local authorities and ran in 2018. Another conservative Catholic Dana secured 4 county councils. She as far as I know only pitched one council. The far right are now whingeing about democracy. Will she form a political party tomorrow and do the hard constituency work and try to get elected members of Dáil or county councils. Will she feck.
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 24, 2025, 12:20:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on September 24, 2025, 12:11:07 PMQuote from: weareros on September 24, 2025, 11:37:35 AMLooks like it's all over for the Irish Trumpies who wanted to use presidential election to restart up culture wars over marriage equality, women's choice. Good riddance.
Think in the interests of fairness Steen should be allowed run and let the people decide to reject her.
Nah there's a good reason to prevent every Tom Dick and Harry running.
Yeah I get that, but she'd a decent amount of support, but hardly matter anyway she more than likely wouldn't have got in
The government parties ran a tight ship this time to make sure their members didn't break ranks and give Steen or any others the nod.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 24, 2025, 12:11:07 PMQuote from: weareros on September 24, 2025, 11:37:35 AMLooks like it's all over for the Irish Trumpies who wanted to use presidential election to restart up culture wars over marriage equality, women's choice. Good riddance.
Think in the interests of fairness Steen should be allowed run and let the people decide to reject her.
Yes,but she didn't really pound the pavements. She let Tobin do the Oireachtas bit and went to a couple of councils. A bit more shoeleather and she would have probably gotten 4 councils.
If she'd been a genuine independent as opposed to a representative of the Iona Institute she'd likely have got on the ballot paper.
Good news. Bad enough FF/FG carve-up without the Catholic Church representing Ireland again. Some irony Steen talking about 'oppressive'.
And her big fan club Aontú eulogising Charlie Kirk last week.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on September 23, 2025, 03:53:13 PMThis is going to sound odd, but little Miggledy is considered an adorable little old man with his dogs and schoolkids love him. It's all vibes and then you have people making fun art prints and tea cosys, etc.
He uses this soft power to speak out and push the boundary of what the President should say. But even then his cuddly persona and views sit well with the middle class.
Does it though? Yes, the media fawn over him, but there is big chunk of people who think he's a cantankerous old git who overstepped the mark more and more as his presidency went on.
Not sure what Michael D's height has to do with anything. I'd say he was very popular President and not just with the media as suggested. If he could run again he'd win easy.
Was at the AI hurling final and he got a standing ovation from the crowd. He's plenty of detractors but big majority would have good time for him. Spoke up forcibly on Palestine and other issues when needed.
Also didn't doff the cap to Unionism when declining to join them in celebrating partition of Ireland on 100th anniversary.
Apparently Steen approached the Ceann Comhairle and leas Ceann Comhairle for nominations.
As she is on the Council of State and he is FF, no dice.
Odd she didn't know that.
Those that don't like MDH are mainly the sort who'd want Ms Steen san Áras
Quote from: Dag Dog on September 24, 2025, 04:17:44 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on September 23, 2025, 03:53:13 PMThis is going to sound odd, but little Miggledy is considered an adorable little old man with his dogs and schoolkids love him. It's all vibes and then you have people making fun art prints and tea cosys, etc.
He uses this soft power to speak out and push the boundary of what the President should say. But even then his cuddly persona and views sit well with the middle class.
Does it though? Yes, the media fawn over him, but there is big chunk of people who think he's a cantankerous old git who overstepped the mark more and more as his presidency went on.
Most of that chunk are twats though and pro Israel gobshites.
Quote from: Dag Dog on September 24, 2025, 04:17:44 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on September 23, 2025, 03:53:13 PMThis is going to sound odd, but little Miggledy is considered an adorable little old man with his dogs and schoolkids love him. It's all vibes and then you have people making fun art prints and tea cosys, etc.
He uses this soft power to speak out and push the boundary of what the President should say. But even then his cuddly persona and views sit well with the middle class.
Does it though? Yes, the media fawn over him, but there is big chunk of people who think he's a cantankerous old git who overstepped the mark more and more as his presidency went on.
Yet he got 71% more votes second time out. His second election was the highest % vote in any Presidential election, beating De Valera into second. He consistently polls as the most popular Irish politician ever.
I don't think your chunk is all that big.
Sarah Mcinerney used her unique interrogation skills on all 3 candidates on 6 o'clock radio. I thought Catherine came out best. Heather stumbled at the mention of the orange order. Jim had a car crash interview full of stutters about his time as a public servant.
Current odds with Paddy Power
Heather Humphreys 6/4
Jim Gavin 7/4
Catherine Connolly 9/4
Quote from: Mayo Border on September 24, 2025, 07:56:44 PMSarah Mcinerney used her unique interrogation skills on all 3 candidates on 6 o'clock radio. I thought Catherine came out best. Heather stumbled at the mention of the orange order. Jim had a car crash interview full of stutters about his time as a public servant.
This Orange Order thing is a load of ould shite.
We say we want a United Ireland. Whatever way you look at it, bar genocide or ethnic cleansing, Orangemen will be part of the United Ireland.
Are we now saying these are second class citizens, and any connection to them should mean you're not suitable to be President?
Terrible sectarian sh1te right enough.
Is opposing a sectarian organisation "sectarian sh!te"?
Quote from: Tubberman on September 24, 2025, 09:32:13 PMQuote from: Mayo Border on September 24, 2025, 07:56:44 PMSarah Mcinerney used her unique interrogation skills on all 3 candidates on 6 o'clock radio. I thought Catherine came out best. Heather stumbled at the mention of the orange order. Jim had a car crash interview full of stutters about his time as a public servant.
This Orange Order thing is a load of ould shite.
We say we want a United Ireland. Whatever way you look at it, bar genocide or ethnic cleansing, Orangemen will be part of the United Ireland.
Are we now saying these are second class citizens, and any connection to them should mean you're not suitable to be President?
Would being in the KKK rule you out of being president of the US? 2 organisations on similar levels. (The state of that country these days it would probably boost your case)
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 24, 2025, 10:27:45 PMQuote from: Tubberman on September 24, 2025, 09:32:13 PMQuote from: Mayo Border on September 24, 2025, 07:56:44 PMSarah Mcinerney used her unique interrogation skills on all 3 candidates on 6 o'clock radio. I thought Catherine came out best. Heather stumbled at the mention of the orange order. Jim had a car crash interview full of stutters about his time as a public servant.
This Orange Order thing is a load of ould shite.
We say we want a United Ireland. Whatever way you look at it, bar genocide or ethnic cleansing, Orangemen will be part of the United Ireland.
Are we now saying these are second class citizens, and any connection to them should mean you're not suitable to be President?
Would being in the KKK rule you out of being president of the US? 2 organisations on similar levels. (The state of that country these days it would probably boost your case)
False equivalence. Humphries isn't being accused of being in the OO. The OO is not an illegal organisation like the KKK.
Like it or not a politician's spouse being in the OO in their past shouldn't preclude someone from being President. Mightn't help their chances at the ballot box but if that's the worst skeleton they can dig out of Humphries closet I'd say she'll be grand.
Her husband isn't standing for election.
I have decided not the drive the auld Massey Ferguson around the farm anymore, have stopped supporting Liverpool, and no more Guinness for me. All founded by Orangemen. And can't even sing a favourite Elvis Costello song as just discovered on X our flag is not Green, White & Gold. Also to cap it off: have to stop boasting Oscar Wilde's auld lad was from Roscommon. Turns out another feckin Orangeman. Bring back Maria Steen, a nice Catholic girl.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 24, 2025, 07:15:08 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on September 24, 2025, 04:17:44 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on September 23, 2025, 03:53:13 PMThis is going to sound odd, but little Miggledy is considered an adorable little old man with his dogs and schoolkids love him. It's all vibes and then you have people making fun art prints and tea cosys, etc.
He uses this soft power to speak out and push the boundary of what the President should say. But even then his cuddly persona and views sit well with the middle class.
Does it though? Yes, the media fawn over him, but there is big chunk of people who think he's a cantankerous old git who overstepped the mark more and more as his presidency went on.
Yet he got 71% more votes second time out. His second election was the highest % vote in any Presidential election, beating De Valera into second. He consistently polls as the most popular Irish politician ever.
I don't think your chunk is all that big.
I think MD overstepped the mark plenty of times but more power to him, the people who voted for him were quite aware that he would be his contrary self. Personally I take great issue with his focus on NATO being the problem re Russia invading Ukraine in 2014 and later the full scale invasion. However, the Irish 'left' in general is infected with this ailment of not only condemning US /NATO imperialism but claiming they are the root cause of aggressive Russian imperialist ambition. Imo, absolute stupendous nonsense.
Now we have Cathy Connolly who might well condemn the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but disavows the right of Ukrainians to defend themselves against such aggression. Who knew that Catherine was a make love not war aficionado, that the aggressor should be brought to their knees by the power of the offered flower of peace.
It is to Ireland's shame that that we have leading so called socialist minded people, sheep-like rallying around Kremlin (well flogged) narratives.
No, I don't give a free pass to an Irish version of a socialist who says and freely offers well founded support for an array of humanitarian causes but one who miserably fails when it comes to not only recognizing the aggressive threat of Russia to Europe but one who blithely ignores such a threat.
Quote from: trileacman on September 24, 2025, 11:31:52 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on September 24, 2025, 10:27:45 PMQuote from: Tubberman on September 24, 2025, 09:32:13 PMQuote from: Mayo Border on September 24, 2025, 07:56:44 PMSarah Mcinerney used her unique interrogation skills on all 3 candidates on 6 o'clock radio. I thought Catherine came out best. Heather stumbled at the mention of the orange order. Jim had a car crash interview full of stutters about his time as a public servant.
This Orange Order thing is a load of ould shite.
We say we want a United Ireland. Whatever way you look at it, bar genocide or ethnic cleansing, Orangemen will be part of the United Ireland.
Are we now saying these are second class citizens, and any connection to them should mean you're not suitable to be President?
Would being in the KKK rule you out of being president of the US? 2 organisations on similar levels. (The state of that country these days it would probably boost your case)
False equivalence. Humphries isn't being accused of being in the OO. The OO is not an illegal organisation like the KKK.
Like it or not a politician's spouse being in the OO in their past shouldn't preclude someone from being President. Mightn't help their chances at the ballot box but if that's the worst skeleton they can dig out of Humphries closet I'd say she'll be grand.
Shouldn't bar them from running but should automatically stop a reasonable person voting for them.
Look at the shape of some of the posts here. No one said they couldn't run, but let's not try and varnish over exactly what the OO is. It's a reprehensible organisation that has been closely linked to enough blood shed in NI over the years.
I wonder had MLMD ran, would she have avoided questions on the IRA in the run in to the election?
The issue is her flip flopping over whether he was in it or not or if she attended Orange marches. Own it, accept it and that ends it. She can be a bit ignorant sometimes and that's not what you're looking for in a president.
Quote from: weareros on September 24, 2025, 11:55:05 PMI have decided not the drive the auld Massey Ferguson around the farm anymore, have stopped supporting Liverpool, and no more Guinness for me. All founded by Orangemen. And can't even sing a favourite Elvis Costello song as just discovered on X our flag is not Green, White & Gold. Also to cap it off: have to stop boasting Oscar Wilde's auld lad was from Roscommon. Turns out another feckin Orangeman. Bring back Maria Steen, a nice Catholic girl.
Tell the truth you stopped supporting Liverpool whenever they booed the British national anthem and sang about the death of Maggie thatcher and the queen.
People who'd have a problem with Ms Humphrey's relations' O.O. connections wouldn't have been voting for her anyway.
Something I've copied
Maria Steen, no longer smiling but toting a sky blue Hermes handbag, yours for a mere €25,000, proclaimed outside the Dail the political consensus had never been so out of touch with 'the grassroots'
The jolly old grassroots, where everyone has a €25,000 handbag and wants Maria to represent them
Friends on Liveline said the 'establishment' was so terrified of her they'd rigged the system, and that she didn't enter the race sooner perhaps because she couldn't afford to
The internet (don't sue me Maria, everyone knows how dodgy internet info is) says she's worth €27 million. And the IONA lot (listed in 2022 as a Hate group by he Global Project against Hate and Extremism) according to WIKI have 'charitable status' so pay no tax, get money from Russia, as well as from America's 'Christian' Right, but wherever it comes from they always seem to have bags of it - like the half a million they spent fighting Marriage Equality - they didn't say what they spent fighting the 8th
Ironically, Maria, who's spent years campaigning against women's right to choose is now raging because 'the Irish people' have been refused the right to choose her -
Democracy, hey? It's a bitch ❤️
It's my opinion that the reason Maria Steen is so popular in social media circles (and lot of people outside that circle are like "Who") is because she wasn't going to get nominated. If she'd been organised months back, got 4 councils backing or 20 members and was in place weeks ago, they'd be not much said from the same circles. But it's another excuse to get at the "establishment"
She is running with this as per yesterday's campaign conceding she would be running. No self reflection on leaving it late.
The bots are backing this now with getting spoil the vote trending in Ireland. Meanwhile 95% of the Irish people will not have the slightest idea what that even is about.
In saying all that, the debates should be enthralling ;) ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2025, 11:08:17 AMPeople who'd have a problem with Ms Humphrey's relations' O.O. connections wouldn't have been voting for her anyway.
Exactly what I thought.
Attack strategies like that don't always succeed. Padraig Flynn's attacks on Mary Robinson's family life backfired in 1990 and boosted her campaign.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on September 25, 2025, 09:25:45 AMQuote from: weareros on September 24, 2025, 11:55:05 PMI have decided not the drive the auld Massey Ferguson around the farm anymore, have stopped supporting Liverpool, and no more Guinness for me. All founded by Orangemen. And can't even sing a favourite Elvis Costello song as just discovered on X our flag is not Green, White & Gold. Also to cap it off: have to stop boasting Oscar Wilde's auld lad was from Roscommon. Turns out another feckin Orangeman. Bring back Maria Steen, a nice Catholic girl.
Tell the truth you stopped supporting Liverpool whenever they booed the British national anthem and sang about the death of Maggie thatcher and the queen.
It was a tongue in cheek on how voters may have a problem with a candidate being granddaughter of an Orangeman who signed Ulster covenant but be oblivious that Guinness funded Loyalist gunrunning at Larne. I actually applaud Liverpool for booing the anthem and describing themselves as Scouse instead of British after the way they were treated by establishment. But I won't ignore their anti-Irish history either. I actually don't support any British/UK soccer teams. Always found Irish people calling those teams "we" a bit weird. And it's dreadfully hard to watch 90 mins of that stuff week in and week out. Club championship for me.
Quote from: Main Street on September 25, 2025, 12:08:58 AMNow we have Cathy Connolly who might well condemn the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but disavows the right of Ukrainians to defend themselves against such aggression. Who knew that Catherine was a make love not war aficionado, that the aggressor should be brought to their knees by the power of the offered flower of peace.
It is to Ireland's shame that that we have leading so called socialist minded people, sheep-like rallying around Kremlin (well flogged) narratives.
No, I don't give a free pass to an Irish version of a socialist who says and freely offers well founded support for an array of humanitarian causes but one who miserably fails when it comes to not only recognizing the aggressive threat of Russia to Europe but one who blithely ignores such a threat.
An unfortunate feature of the Irish far-left is how dismissive they are of the lived experience of the small nations living under the shadow (and threat) of Russia. Especially given Ireland's own experience of being suppressed by a big power.
Russia has been a constant menace to several neighbours and oscillates to being low-level nuisance to outright brutaliser.
The chimes about 'Nato warmongering' look even dafter since February 2022. Moreso again in recent weeks as Putin ramps up the provocation of other countries. He knows well that, far from being warmongers, the Nato security assurances for members are paper promises and were never really intended to be acted on.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2025, 11:08:17 AMPeople who'd have a problem with Ms Humphrey's relations' O.O. connections wouldn't have been voting for her anyway.
Or maybe those voting for her were going to do so regardless of any connections to the OO.
T'is all about how you word it.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 24, 2025, 11:34:35 PMHer husband isn't standing for election.
He will likely live in the Aras and have official duties.
Not unreasonable to know if the fella still doesn't recognise the office
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2025, 11:08:17 AMPeople who'd have a problem with Ms Humphrey's relations' O.O. connections wouldn't have been voting for her anyway.
Yes, but she will require transfers from Gavin. And they might well reduce on this basis.
But the problem isn't the OO piece per say. It's her refusal to answer the question by directing the press to 'ask him', while him locked himself in a toilet. Peak FG and points to shite campaign management.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 25, 2025, 01:18:05 PMQuote from: Rossfan on September 24, 2025, 11:34:35 PMHer husband isn't standing for election.
He will likely live in the Aras and have official duties.
Not unreasonable to know if the fella still doesn't recognise the office
Sounds like he has no plans to move in if she wins, but not for any nefarious reasons:
'The land has to come first' — Heather's farmer husband rules out move to Áras if she is elected
FG candidate talks Gaza, a united Ireland and the Orange Order
NIAMH HORAN
The husband of presidential hopeful Heather Humphreys has said he will continue to live on the farm and tend to his cattle if she is elected president.
Speaking exclusively to the Sunday Independent yesterday, Eric Humphreys was emphatic that the farm comes first.
"The reality of farming is that when a cow needs calving — even if the Christmas dinner is on the table — the calf has to come first. That's the reality of life as a farmer."
Mr Humphreys said "the land needs me" and added "when I leave the land, I'll be dead".
He was speaking to the Sunday Independent at Monaghan Peace Campus, where his wife launched her presidential campaign yesterday. He vowed to support Ms Humphreys when he is needed if she's elected president in late October.
"I won't be found wanting. When Heather needs me, I'll be there. I have been for the last 40 years," he said. "She was reared on a farm. No one understands it better than Heather."
Asked who would mind the farm while he is in the Áras, he said: "I have very good neighbours."
He added that he works six days a week on the farm and on Sundays "when work needs to be done" and is on the land "from 7am until dark".
Mr Humphreys said Jim Sheridan's The Field, written by John B Keane, is his favourite film as it illustrates how "the reality" of farming is that "the land has to come first".
On his attachment to the land, he said "it's very hard to explain. Most people wouldn't understand... but I've been a farmer all my life".
He has a farm with 35 cattle on 100 acres of land in Co Monaghan.
Ms Humphreys was asked at a press briefing if her husband is a member of the Orange Order, and whether she has attended any loyalist parades.
"I attended parades with my parents and it was a family day out, it was a cultural day. And when the Troubles started, people were concerned and I didn't go then after that," she said.
Asked if her husband is a member of the Orange Order, she said: "Not that I'm aware of. You'll have to ask him that, but no, he's not a member."
On Gaza, Ms Humphreys said: "Can I say, what's happening in Gaza is absolutely horrific. I look at the television and I see parents carrying their children wrapped in white sheets to bury them. I see people who are maimed. I see people who are starving.
"What's going on in Gaza is wrong. The fighting needs to stop, there needs to be a ceasefire, there needs to be aid let into that country so people can get fed and the hostages need to be released."
She added that she wanted to see a united Ireland. "I'm committed to that, but only through working with people and bringing them together."
Ms Humphreys has said she wants to use the Irish presidency to "facilitate reconciliation and understanding".
The Fine Gael candidate said: "I put myself forward conscious of those who have served with such distinction before me and I do not pretend to be perfect.
"I want to bring my life experience and the values that have shaped me as a person to the office of the president.
"My own story is living proof that regardless of your background, Ireland is a country of opportunity," she said.
Tánaiste Simon Harris said Ms Humphreys was a "Presbyterian republican showing us all what true republicanism means".
Look at all that grass for grasing!
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 25, 2025, 01:18:05 PMQuote from: Rossfan on September 24, 2025, 11:34:35 PMHer husband isn't standing for election.
He will likely live in the Aras and have official duties.
Not unreasonable to know if the fella still doesn't recognise the office
Who ever said he doesn't recognise the office???
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2025, 01:45:29 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 25, 2025, 01:18:05 PMQuote from: Rossfan on September 24, 2025, 11:34:35 PMHer husband isn't standing for election.
He will likely live in the Aras and have official duties.
Not unreasonable to know if the fella still doesn't recognise the office
Who ever said he doesn't recognise the office???
The Orange Order doesn't recognise the Republic. He was in the Orange Order. So it's a legitimate question- when did he leave it and why.
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When did they say that?
Last I heard from the Donegal Grand Master or whatever his title is, was "we are loyal citizens of the Reoublic of Ireland"
Any of them born in the 26 Counties after 1949 are Irish citizens and aren't entitled to Brit citizenship.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2025, 02:42:59 PM??
When did they say that?
Last I heard from the Donegal Grand Master or whatever his title is, was "we are loyal citizens of the Reoublic of Ireland"
Any of them born in the 26 Counties after 1949 are Irish citizens and aren't entitled to Brit citizenship.
Are you seriously asking me if the OO are unionist?
Stop twisting.
You said the Oranger order doesn't recognise RofI.
Link please
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 25, 2025, 02:48:08 PMQuote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2025, 02:42:59 PM??
When did they say that?
Last I heard from the Donegal Grand Master or whatever his title is, was "we are loyal citizens of the Reoublic of Ireland"
Any of them born in the 26 Counties after 1949 are Irish citizens and aren't entitled to Brit citizenship.
Are you seriously asking me if the OO are unionist?
Is it not a 32 county organisation though?
There's a lot of contradictions with the OO.
I would say a lot of the northern ones don't though but I don't see how it makes sense that OO in the 26 counties don't recognise the 26 counties...
Fair dues to Fianna Fail and Fine Gael they have the whole political system tied up. The rest are just hanging about looking in.
Not that it makes any difference power wise, their strings are firmly held by Europe and beyond since we lost our sovereignty. Still they can pretend - and at the end of the day collect their hefty Ministerial pensions.
Take yer tablets Bunk.
Douglas Hyde too was criticised for being pro-British for the sin of attending an Irish soccer match. Of course he was removed as patron of the GAA for attending. An extract from Cormac Moore's really well written book: The GAA v Douglas Hyde. And apologies - not intending to trigger SF supporters. All parties treated him poorly as SF were a very minor player then. As Father Ted would say: Protestants up to no good - as usual.
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Sinn Féin held its Árd Fhéis on the same day Hyde and de Valera attended the soccer match. Both came in for criticism at the proceedings. Sinn Féin president, Margaret Buckley, in her address, made an extraordinary claim about Hyde, one that she certainly would have difficulty backing up with evidence: 'Dr Hyde is the right man in the right place. He has always been a staunch supporter of the British connection, and it is not surprising that when closer relations with the British Empire were contemplated, a figure-head acceptable to that Empire should have been selected.' She continued, 'A new label had been put on the office of Governor-General, but Douglas Hyde is successor to all the Lords Lieutenant, and is, as they were, the King of England's representative in this British dominion now called "Eire."
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 25, 2025, 05:30:03 PMFair dues to Fianna Fail and Fine Gael they have the whole political system tied up. The rest are just hanging about looking in.
Not that it makes any difference power wise, their strings are firmly held by Europe and beyond since we lost our sovereignty. Still they can pretend - and at the end of the day collect their hefty Ministerial pensions.
FF are polling around 20%, a long way from the high forties 20 years ago.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2025, 05:32:37 PMTake yer tablets Bunk.
Take yer head out of the sand.....
Quote from: seafoid on September 25, 2025, 08:31:00 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on September 25, 2025, 05:30:03 PMFair dues to Fianna Fail and Fine Gael they have the whole political system tied up. The rest are just hanging about looking in.
Not that it makes any difference power wise, their strings are firmly held by Europe and beyond since we lost our sovereignty. Still they can pretend - and at the end of the day collect their hefty Ministerial pensions.
FF are polling around 20%, a long way from the high forties 20 years ago.
And would you bet against them being in the next Government?
FF are polling around 20%, a long way from the high forties 20 years ago.
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And 14 years ago?
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 25, 2025, 11:56:21 AMQuote from: Main Street on September 25, 2025, 12:08:58 AMNow we have Cathy Connolly who might well condemn the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but disavows the right of Ukrainians to defend themselves against such aggression. Who knew that Catherine was a make love not war aficionado, that the aggressor should be brought to their knees by the power of the offered flower of peace.
It is to Ireland's shame that that we have leading so called socialist minded people, sheep-like rallying around Kremlin (well flogged) narratives.
No, I don't give a free pass to an Irish version of a socialist who says and freely offers well founded support for an array of humanitarian causes but one who miserably fails when it comes to not only recognizing the aggressive threat of Russia to Europe but one who blithely ignores such a threat.
An unfortunate feature of the Irish far-left is how dismissive they are of the lived experience of the small nations living under the shadow (and threat) of Russia. Especially given Ireland's own experience of being suppressed by a big power.
Russia has been a constant menace to several neighbours and oscillates to being low-level nuisance to outright brutaliser.
The chimes about 'Nato warmongering' look even dafter since February 2022. Moreso again in recent weeks as Putin ramps up the provocation of other countries. He knows well that, far from being warmongers, the Nato security assurances for members are paper promises and were never really intended to be acted on.
The Estonians have a dim view of the Irish tankie mindset espoused by Higgins, Connelly et al and rightly so:
"On Friday, former president of Estonia Toomas Hendrik Ilves criticised President Higgins's remarks, accusing the Irish of a privileged geographical location and being able to benefit from "implicit" Nato protection.
In a social media post, Mr Ilves said: "Do these people have any sense of self-awareness, their privileged geography or the appropriateness of even commenting as the beneficiary of implicit Nato security?"
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/01/11/michael-d-higginss-remarks-about-nato-criticised-by-former-estonian-president/
They don't live in the real world.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 09:59:53 AMQuote from: Bord na Mona man on September 25, 2025, 11:56:21 AMQuote from: Main Street on September 25, 2025, 12:08:58 AMNow we have Cathy Connolly who might well condemn the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but disavows the right of Ukrainians to defend themselves against such aggression. Who knew that Catherine was a make love not war aficionado, that the aggressor should be brought to their knees by the power of the offered flower of peace.
It is to Ireland's shame that that we have leading so called socialist minded people, sheep-like rallying around Kremlin (well flogged) narratives.
No, I don't give a free pass to an Irish version of a socialist who says and freely offers well founded support for an array of humanitarian causes but one who miserably fails when it comes to not only recognizing the aggressive threat of Russia to Europe but one who blithely ignores such a threat.
An unfortunate feature of the Irish far-left is how dismissive they are of the lived experience of the small nations living under the shadow (and threat) of Russia. Especially given Ireland's own experience of being suppressed by a big power.
Russia has been a constant menace to several neighbours and oscillates to being low-level nuisance to outright brutaliser.
The chimes about 'Nato warmongering' look even dafter since February 2022. Moreso again in recent weeks as Putin ramps up the provocation of other countries. He knows well that, far from being warmongers, the Nato security assurances for members are paper promises and were never really intended to be acted on.
The Estonians have a dim view of the Irish tankie mindset espoused by Higgins, Connelly et al and rightly so:
"On Friday, former president of Estonia Toomas Hendrik Ilves criticised President Higgins's remarks, accusing the Irish of a privileged geographical location and being able to benefit from "implicit" Nato protection.
In a social media post, Mr Ilves said: "Do these people have any sense of self-awareness, their privileged geography or the appropriateness of even commenting as the beneficiary of implicit Nato security?"
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/01/11/michael-d-higginss-remarks-about-nato-criticised-by-former-estonian-president/
They don't live in the real world.
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the Estonian President!
Quote from: Snapchap on September 26, 2025, 10:13:31 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 09:59:53 AMQuote from: Bord na Mona man on September 25, 2025, 11:56:21 AMQuote from: Main Street on September 25, 2025, 12:08:58 AMNow we have Cathy Connolly who might well condemn the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but disavows the right of Ukrainians to defend themselves against such aggression. Who knew that Catherine was a make love not war aficionado, that the aggressor should be brought to their knees by the power of the offered flower of peace.
It is to Ireland's shame that that we have leading so called socialist minded people, sheep-like rallying around Kremlin (well flogged) narratives.
No, I don't give a free pass to an Irish version of a socialist who says and freely offers well founded support for an array of humanitarian causes but one who miserably fails when it comes to not only recognizing the aggressive threat of Russia to Europe but one who blithely ignores such a threat.
An unfortunate feature of the Irish far-left is how dismissive they are of the lived experience of the small nations living under the shadow (and threat) of Russia. Especially given Ireland's own experience of being suppressed by a big power.
Russia has been a constant menace to several neighbours and oscillates to being low-level nuisance to outright brutaliser.
The chimes about 'Nato warmongering' look even dafter since February 2022. Moreso again in recent weeks as Putin ramps up the provocation of other countries. He knows well that, far from being warmongers, the Nato security assurances for members are paper promises and were never really intended to be acted on.
The Estonians have a dim view of the Irish tankie mindset espoused by Higgins, Connelly et al and rightly so:
"On Friday, former president of Estonia Toomas Hendrik Ilves criticised President Higgins's remarks, accusing the Irish of a privileged geographical location and being able to benefit from "implicit" Nato protection.
In a social media post, Mr Ilves said: "Do these people have any sense of self-awareness, their privileged geography or the appropriateness of even commenting as the beneficiary of implicit Nato security?"
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/01/11/michael-d-higginss-remarks-about-nato-criticised-by-former-estonian-president/
They don't live in the real world.
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the Estonian President!
Oh there it is, the exact arrogant dismissive mindset referred to in the article.
Lots of people do think of the Estonians thankfully.
Expect Connolly to continue to embarrass Ireland on the topic if she gets in.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 10:30:55 AMQuote from: Snapchap on September 26, 2025, 10:13:31 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 09:59:53 AMQuote from: Bord na Mona man on September 25, 2025, 11:56:21 AMQuote from: Main Street on September 25, 2025, 12:08:58 AMNow we have Cathy Connolly who might well condemn the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but disavows the right of Ukrainians to defend themselves against such aggression. Who knew that Catherine was a make love not war aficionado, that the aggressor should be brought to their knees by the power of the offered flower of peace.
It is to Ireland's shame that that we have leading so called socialist minded people, sheep-like rallying around Kremlin (well flogged) narratives.
No, I don't give a free pass to an Irish version of a socialist who says and freely offers well founded support for an array of humanitarian causes but one who miserably fails when it comes to not only recognizing the aggressive threat of Russia to Europe but one who blithely ignores such a threat.
An unfortunate feature of the Irish far-left is how dismissive they are of the lived experience of the small nations living under the shadow (and threat) of Russia. Especially given Ireland's own experience of being suppressed by a big power.
Russia has been a constant menace to several neighbours and oscillates to being low-level nuisance to outright brutaliser.
The chimes about 'Nato warmongering' look even dafter since February 2022. Moreso again in recent weeks as Putin ramps up the provocation of other countries. He knows well that, far from being warmongers, the Nato security assurances for members are paper promises and were never really intended to be acted on.
The Estonians have a dim view of the Irish tankie mindset espoused by Higgins, Connelly et al and rightly so:
"On Friday, former president of Estonia Toomas Hendrik Ilves criticised President Higgins's remarks, accusing the Irish of a privileged geographical location and being able to benefit from "implicit" Nato protection.
In a social media post, Mr Ilves said: "Do these people have any sense of self-awareness, their privileged geography or the appropriateness of even commenting as the beneficiary of implicit Nato security?"
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/01/11/michael-d-higginss-remarks-about-nato-criticised-by-former-estonian-president/
They don't live in the real world.
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the Estonian President!
Oh there it is, the exact arrogant dismissive mindset referred to in the article.
Lots of people do think of the Estonians thankfully.
Expect Connolly to continue to embarrass Ireland on the topic if she gets in.
From what I've heard of Connolly she'll call out Russian and US imperialism where she see's it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 26, 2025, 10:46:07 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 10:30:55 AMQuote from: Snapchap on September 26, 2025, 10:13:31 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 09:59:53 AMQuote from: Bord na Mona man on September 25, 2025, 11:56:21 AMQuote from: Main Street on September 25, 2025, 12:08:58 AMNow we have Cathy Connolly who might well condemn the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but disavows the right of Ukrainians to defend themselves against such aggression. Who knew that Catherine was a make love not war aficionado, that the aggressor should be brought to their knees by the power of the offered flower of peace.
It is to Ireland's shame that that we have leading so called socialist minded people, sheep-like rallying around Kremlin (well flogged) narratives.
No, I don't give a free pass to an Irish version of a socialist who says and freely offers well founded support for an array of humanitarian causes but one who miserably fails when it comes to not only recognizing the aggressive threat of Russia to Europe but one who blithely ignores such a threat.
An unfortunate feature of the Irish far-left is how dismissive they are of the lived experience of the small nations living under the shadow (and threat) of Russia. Especially given Ireland's own experience of being suppressed by a big power.
Russia has been a constant menace to several neighbours and oscillates to being low-level nuisance to outright brutaliser.
The chimes about 'Nato warmongering' look even dafter since February 2022. Moreso again in recent weeks as Putin ramps up the provocation of other countries. He knows well that, far from being warmongers, the Nato security assurances for members are paper promises and were never really intended to be acted on.
The Estonians have a dim view of the Irish tankie mindset espoused by Higgins, Connelly et al and rightly so:
"On Friday, former president of Estonia Toomas Hendrik Ilves criticised President Higgins's remarks, accusing the Irish of a privileged geographical location and being able to benefit from "implicit" Nato protection.
In a social media post, Mr Ilves said: "Do these people have any sense of self-awareness, their privileged geography or the appropriateness of even commenting as the beneficiary of implicit Nato security?"
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/01/11/michael-d-higginss-remarks-about-nato-criticised-by-former-estonian-president/
They don't live in the real world.
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the Estonian President!
Oh there it is, the exact arrogant dismissive mindset referred to in the article.
Lots of people do think of the Estonians thankfully.
Expect Connolly to continue to embarrass Ireland on the topic if she gets in.
From what I've heard of Connolly she'll call out Russian and US imperialism where she see's it.
She always calls out Russian imperialism for about 30 seconds before moving onto safer tankie territory of criticising those who give the victims of Russian imperialism the means to defend themselves.
Not living in the real world and the former Estonian president nailed it with his comments about Higgins, who has a similar outlook to Connolly.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 10:53:41 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on September 26, 2025, 10:46:07 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 10:30:55 AMQuote from: Snapchap on September 26, 2025, 10:13:31 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 09:59:53 AMQuote from: Bord na Mona man on September 25, 2025, 11:56:21 AMQuote from: Main Street on September 25, 2025, 12:08:58 AMNow we have Cathy Connolly who might well condemn the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but disavows the right of Ukrainians to defend themselves against such aggression. Who knew that Catherine was a make love not war aficionado, that the aggressor should be brought to their knees by the power of the offered flower of peace.
It is to Ireland's shame that that we have leading so called socialist minded people, sheep-like rallying around Kremlin (well flogged) narratives.
No, I don't give a free pass to an Irish version of a socialist who says and freely offers well founded support for an array of humanitarian causes but one who miserably fails when it comes to not only recognizing the aggressive threat of Russia to Europe but one who blithely ignores such a threat.
An unfortunate feature of the Irish far-left is how dismissive they are of the lived experience of the small nations living under the shadow (and threat) of Russia. Especially given Ireland's own experience of being suppressed by a big power.
Russia has been a constant menace to several neighbours and oscillates to being low-level nuisance to outright brutaliser.
The chimes about 'Nato warmongering' look even dafter since February 2022. Moreso again in recent weeks as Putin ramps up the provocation of other countries. He knows well that, far from being warmongers, the Nato security assurances for members are paper promises and were never really intended to be acted on.
The Estonians have a dim view of the Irish tankie mindset espoused by Higgins, Connelly et al and rightly so:
"On Friday, former president of Estonia Toomas Hendrik Ilves criticised President Higgins's remarks, accusing the Irish of a privileged geographical location and being able to benefit from "implicit" Nato protection.
In a social media post, Mr Ilves said: "Do these people have any sense of self-awareness, their privileged geography or the appropriateness of even commenting as the beneficiary of implicit Nato security?"
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/01/11/michael-d-higginss-remarks-about-nato-criticised-by-former-estonian-president/
They don't live in the real world.
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the Estonian President!
Oh there it is, the exact arrogant dismissive mindset referred to in the article.
Lots of people do think of the Estonians thankfully.
Expect Connolly to continue to embarrass Ireland on the topic if she gets in.
From what I've heard of Connolly she'll call out Russian and US imperialism where she see's it.
She always calls out Russian imperialism for about 30 seconds before moving onto safer tankie territory of criticising those who give the victims of Russian imperialism the means to defend themselves.
Not living in the real world and the former Estonian president nailed it with his comments about Higgins, who has a similar outlook to Connolly.
Dose. Ignored.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 26, 2025, 11:02:30 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 10:53:41 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on September 26, 2025, 10:46:07 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 10:30:55 AMQuote from: Snapchap on September 26, 2025, 10:13:31 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 09:59:53 AMQuote from: Bord na Mona man on September 25, 2025, 11:56:21 AMQuote from: Main Street on September 25, 2025, 12:08:58 AMNow we have Cathy Connolly who might well condemn the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but disavows the right of Ukrainians to defend themselves against such aggression. Who knew that Catherine was a make love not war aficionado, that the aggressor should be brought to their knees by the power of the offered flower of peace.
It is to Ireland's shame that that we have leading so called socialist minded people, sheep-like rallying around Kremlin (well flogged) narratives.
No, I don't give a free pass to an Irish version of a socialist who says and freely offers well founded support for an array of humanitarian causes but one who miserably fails when it comes to not only recognizing the aggressive threat of Russia to Europe but one who blithely ignores such a threat.
An unfortunate feature of the Irish far-left is how dismissive they are of the lived experience of the small nations living under the shadow (and threat) of Russia. Especially given Ireland's own experience of being suppressed by a big power.
Russia has been a constant menace to several neighbours and oscillates to being low-level nuisance to outright brutaliser.
The chimes about 'Nato warmongering' look even dafter since February 2022. Moreso again in recent weeks as Putin ramps up the provocation of other countries. He knows well that, far from being warmongers, the Nato security assurances for members are paper promises and were never really intended to be acted on.
The Estonians have a dim view of the Irish tankie mindset espoused by Higgins, Connelly et al and rightly so:
"On Friday, former president of Estonia Toomas Hendrik Ilves criticised President Higgins's remarks, accusing the Irish of a privileged geographical location and being able to benefit from "implicit" Nato protection.
In a social media post, Mr Ilves said: "Do these people have any sense of self-awareness, their privileged geography or the appropriateness of even commenting as the beneficiary of implicit Nato security?"
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/01/11/michael-d-higginss-remarks-about-nato-criticised-by-former-estonian-president/
They don't live in the real world.
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the Estonian President!
Oh there it is, the exact arrogant dismissive mindset referred to in the article.
Lots of people do think of the Estonians thankfully.
Expect Connolly to continue to embarrass Ireland on the topic if she gets in.
From what I've heard of Connolly she'll call out Russian and US imperialism where she see's it.
She always calls out Russian imperialism for about 30 seconds before moving onto safer tankie territory of criticising those who give the victims of Russian imperialism the means to defend themselves.
Not living in the real world and the former Estonian president nailed it with his comments about Higgins, who has a similar outlook to Connolly.
Dose. Ignored.
Great, that'll save me having to listen to your crying.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 11:08:06 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on September 26, 2025, 11:02:30 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 10:53:41 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on September 26, 2025, 10:46:07 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 10:30:55 AMQuote from: Snapchap on September 26, 2025, 10:13:31 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 09:59:53 AMQuote from: Bord na Mona man on September 25, 2025, 11:56:21 AMQuote from: Main Street on September 25, 2025, 12:08:58 AMNow we have Cathy Connolly who might well condemn the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but disavows the right of Ukrainians to defend themselves against such aggression. Who knew that Catherine was a make love not war aficionado, that the aggressor should be brought to their knees by the power of the offered flower of peace.
It is to Ireland's shame that that we have leading so called socialist minded people, sheep-like rallying around Kremlin (well flogged) narratives.
No, I don't give a free pass to an Irish version of a socialist who says and freely offers well founded support for an array of humanitarian causes but one who miserably fails when it comes to not only recognizing the aggressive threat of Russia to Europe but one who blithely ignores such a threat.
An unfortunate feature of the Irish far-left is how dismissive they are of the lived experience of the small nations living under the shadow (and threat) of Russia. Especially given Ireland's own experience of being suppressed by a big power.
Russia has been a constant menace to several neighbours and oscillates to being low-level nuisance to outright brutaliser.
The chimes about 'Nato warmongering' look even dafter since February 2022. Moreso again in recent weeks as Putin ramps up the provocation of other countries. He knows well that, far from being warmongers, the Nato security assurances for members are paper promises and were never really intended to be acted on.
The Estonians have a dim view of the Irish tankie mindset espoused by Higgins, Connelly et al and rightly so:
"On Friday, former president of Estonia Toomas Hendrik Ilves criticised President Higgins's remarks, accusing the Irish of a privileged geographical location and being able to benefit from "implicit" Nato protection.
In a social media post, Mr Ilves said: "Do these people have any sense of self-awareness, their privileged geography or the appropriateness of even commenting as the beneficiary of implicit Nato security?"
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/01/11/michael-d-higginss-remarks-about-nato-criticised-by-former-estonian-president/
They don't live in the real world.
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the Estonian President!
Oh there it is, the exact arrogant dismissive mindset referred to in the article.
Lots of people do think of the Estonians thankfully.
Expect Connolly to continue to embarrass Ireland on the topic if she gets in.
From what I've heard of Connolly she'll call out Russian and US imperialism where she see's it.
She always calls out Russian imperialism for about 30 seconds before moving onto safer tankie territory of criticising those who give the victims of Russian imperialism the means to defend themselves.
Not living in the real world and the former Estonian president nailed it with his comments about Higgins, who has a similar outlook to Connolly.
Dose. Ignored.
Great, that'll save me having to listen to your crying.
You do more crying than the rest of the board put together ffs!😂
Quote from: Snapchap on September 26, 2025, 12:12:56 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 11:08:06 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on September 26, 2025, 11:02:30 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 10:53:41 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on September 26, 2025, 10:46:07 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 10:30:55 AMQuote from: Snapchap on September 26, 2025, 10:13:31 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on September 26, 2025, 09:59:53 AMQuote from: Bord na Mona man on September 25, 2025, 11:56:21 AMQuote from: Main Street on September 25, 2025, 12:08:58 AMNow we have Cathy Connolly who might well condemn the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but disavows the right of Ukrainians to defend themselves against such aggression. Who knew that Catherine was a make love not war aficionado, that the aggressor should be brought to their knees by the power of the offered flower of peace.
It is to Ireland's shame that that we have leading so called socialist minded people, sheep-like rallying around Kremlin (well flogged) narratives.
No, I don't give a free pass to an Irish version of a socialist who says and freely offers well founded support for an array of humanitarian causes but one who miserably fails when it comes to not only recognizing the aggressive threat of Russia to Europe but one who blithely ignores such a threat.
An unfortunate feature of the Irish far-left is how dismissive they are of the lived experience of the small nations living under the shadow (and threat) of Russia. Especially given Ireland's own experience of being suppressed by a big power.
Russia has been a constant menace to several neighbours and oscillates to being low-level nuisance to outright brutaliser.
The chimes about 'Nato warmongering' look even dafter since February 2022. Moreso again in recent weeks as Putin ramps up the provocation of other countries. He knows well that, far from being warmongers, the Nato security assurances for members are paper promises and were never really intended to be acted on.
The Estonians have a dim view of the Irish tankie mindset espoused by Higgins, Connelly et al and rightly so:
"On Friday, former president of Estonia Toomas Hendrik Ilves criticised President Higgins's remarks, accusing the Irish of a privileged geographical location and being able to benefit from "implicit" Nato protection.
In a social media post, Mr Ilves said: "Do these people have any sense of self-awareness, their privileged geography or the appropriateness of even commenting as the beneficiary of implicit Nato security?"
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/01/11/michael-d-higginss-remarks-about-nato-criticised-by-former-estonian-president/
They don't live in the real world.
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the Estonian President!
Oh there it is, the exact arrogant dismissive mindset referred to in the article.
Lots of people do think of the Estonians thankfully.
Expect Connolly to continue to embarrass Ireland on the topic if she gets in.
From what I've heard of Connolly she'll call out Russian and US imperialism where she see's it.
She always calls out Russian imperialism for about 30 seconds before moving onto safer tankie territory of criticising those who give the victims of Russian imperialism the means to defend themselves.
Not living in the real world and the former Estonian president nailed it with his comments about Higgins, who has a similar outlook to Connolly.
Dose. Ignored.
Great, that'll save me having to listen to your crying.
You do more crying than the rest of the board put together ffs!😂
Nah, that'll be the board tankies, they cry until they can't take it any more, then they block. Very thin skins.
Imagine getting so upset over criticism of an Irish presidential election candidate.
Not into betting myself but current odds
Boylesports
HH 11/8. JG 13/8. CC 5/2.
Paddypower
HH 5/4. JG 15/8. CC 5/2.
As an aside - Irish Unification to pass by 1/1/2030 is 3 to 1.
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/09/26/businessman-behind-smears-against-jim-gavin-previously-spread-false-claims-about-rival/
The businessman behind online "malicious smears" about presidential candidate Jim Gavin was successfully sued for almost €500,000 last year for spreading defamatory claims on social media.
A US court ruled Kieran Kelly, a former Waterford fisherman who lives in Indonesia, used his large social media following to make false and damaging claims against a business rival.
In recent weeks, Mr Kelly has posted derogatory claims concerning Mr Gavin, who is Fianna Fáil's candidate for president, that went viral across several social media platforms.
The posts, which were offered without any evidence and concern Mr Gavin's private life, were viewed hundreds of thousands of times. They have since been removed from most platforms following complaints from the Gavin campaign.
Quote from: seafoid on September 26, 2025, 01:22:11 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/09/26/businessman-behind-smears-against-jim-gavin-previously-spread-false-claims-about-rival/
The businessman behind online "malicious smears" about presidential candidate Jim Gavin was successfully sued for almost €500,000 last year for spreading defamatory claims on social media.
A US court ruled Kieran Kelly, a former Waterford fisherman who lives in Indonesia, used his large social media following to make false and damaging claims against a business rival.
In recent weeks, Mr Kelly has posted derogatory claims concerning Mr Gavin, who is Fianna Fáil's candidate for president, that went viral across several social media platforms.
The posts, which were offered without any evidence and concern Mr Gavin's private life, were viewed hundreds of thousands of times. They have since been removed from most platforms following complaints from the Gavin campaign.
Incredible the amount of people believed his smears without question. Had a few sent to me like this is true. The joys and bullshit of social media
Quote from: Truthsayer on September 26, 2025, 02:11:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on September 26, 2025, 01:22:11 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/09/26/businessman-behind-smears-against-jim-gavin-previously-spread-false-claims-about-rival/
The businessman behind online "malicious smears" about presidential candidate Jim Gavin was successfully sued for almost €500,000 last year for spreading defamatory claims on social media.
A US court ruled Kieran Kelly, a former Waterford fisherman who lives in Indonesia, used his large social media following to make false and damaging claims against a business rival.
In recent weeks, Mr Kelly has posted derogatory claims concerning Mr Gavin, who is Fianna Fáil's candidate for president, that went viral across several social media platforms.
The posts, which were offered without any evidence and concern Mr Gavin's private life, were viewed hundreds of thousands of times. They have since been removed from most platforms following complaints from the Gavin campaign.
Incredible the amount of people believed his smears without question. Had a few sent to me like this is true. The joys and bullshit of social media
Madness.
You'd think your man would have learned his lesson..
Theres a famous meme about the internet and niche weird online communities
Before internet
> I want to fk toaster
> dont be an idiot
> grow the Fk up
After internet
>I want to fk toaster
> google
>find 1000ppl in online community into that
>wreck your life
Quote from: Rossfan on September 26, 2025, 12:47:27 PMNot into betting myself but current odds
Boylesports
HH 11/8. JG 13/8. CC 5/2.
Paddypower
HH 5/4. JG 15/8. CC 5/2.
As an aside - Irish Unification to pass by 1/1/2030 is 3 to 1.
You could do an accumulator on HH being the first president of a UI.
Seen bits of Connolly this evening. Seriously, is that the best you got, pathetic. Gavin got zero personality but I take him over her any time.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 26, 2025, 10:57:17 PMSeen bits of Connolly this evening. Seriously, is that the best you got, pathetic. Gavin got zero personality but I take him over her any time.
Could you elaborate?
Quote from: Tubberman on September 26, 2025, 11:17:32 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on September 26, 2025, 10:57:17 PMSeen bits of Connolly this evening. Seriously, is that the best you got, pathetic. Gavin got zero personality but I take him over her any time.
Could you elaborate?
She has the charisma of a wet blanket.
Humphries will probably get into the aras.
Marie Steen supporters (the right wing and religious zealots.. same thing) still doing some girning about her not getting enough endorsements. The sense of entitlement racking up at the last minute to be President of Ireland. Never heard of her before this week.
Quote from: Truthsayer on September 27, 2025, 09:17:21 AMMarie Steen supporters (the right wing and religios zealots.. same thing) still doing some girning about her not getting enough endorsements. The sense of entitlement racking up at the last minute to be President of Ireland. Never heard of her before this week.
Had you heard of Jim Gavin's political views a month ago? Had he ever voiced them? Does he really have any? Or are they crafted by ''The Party''?
I am at the age (50's) where I find with most politicians that I don't agree (or agree) with on everything they say or endorse. This happens all the time with the ones I really like or the ones I really hate. I have my own mind.I am not a cloned left or Right person. I take things at face value and base things on experience.
This is why I like a broad choice when deciding who to vote for.
Let the Steen's of the world be on the Ballot paper. If only to shake up the narrative. If you don't agree with her then don't vote for her. If she is saying the wrong thing then it can be only good for her opponents. Not letting her get nominated showed fear from FF, FG and SF.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2025, 09:36:46 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on September 27, 2025, 09:17:21 AMMarie Steen supporters (the right wing and religios zealots.. same thing) still doing some girning about her not getting enough endorsements. The sense of entitlement racking up at the last minute to be President of Ireland. Never heard of her before this week.
Had you heard of Jim Gavin's political views a month ago? Had he ever voiced them? Does he really have any? Or are they crafted by ''The Party''?
I am at the age (50's) where I find with most politicians that I don't agree (or agree) with on everything they say or endorse. This happens all the time with the ones I really like or the ones I really hate. I have my own mind.I am not a cloned left or Right person. I take things at face value and base things on experience.
This is why I like a broad choice when deciding who to vote for.
Let the Steen's of the world be on the Ballot paper. If only to shake up the narrative. If you don't agree with her then don't vote for her. If she is saying the wrong thing then it can be only good for her opponents. Not letting her get nominated showed fear from FF, FG and SF.
No. Just no.
Steen didn't get nominated because she showed up late and did very little legwork. On her, not the system.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2025, 09:55:11 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2025, 09:36:46 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on September 27, 2025, 09:17:21 AMMarie Steen supporters (the right wing and religios zealots.. same thing) still doing some girning about her not getting enough endorsements. The sense of entitlement racking up at the last minute to be President of Ireland. Never heard of her before this week.
Had you heard of Jim Gavin's political views a month ago? Had he ever voiced them? Does he really have any? Or are they crafted by ''The Party''?
I am at the age (50's) where I find with most politicians that I don't agree (or agree) with on everything they say or endorse. This happens all the time with the ones I really like or the ones I really hate. I have my own mind.I am not a cloned left or Right person. I take things at face value and base things on experience.
This is why I like a broad choice when deciding who to vote for.
Let the Steen's of the world be on the Ballot paper. If only to shake up the narrative. If you don't agree with her then don't vote for her. If she is saying the wrong thing then it can be only good for her opponents. Not letting her get nominated showed fear from FF, FG and SF.
No. Just no.
Steen didn't get nominated because she showed up late and did very little legwork. On her, not the system.
How much legwork did Heather or Jim do?
No doubt they did within their Parties to get the nomination.
How many Councils did the Iona candidate canvass?
There are approx 25% of Independent Oireachtas members. Ms Steen only got 8% (1 in 3) to sign her papers.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2025, 09:58:55 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2025, 09:55:11 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2025, 09:36:46 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on September 27, 2025, 09:17:21 AMMarie Steen supporters (the right wing and religios zealots.. same thing) still doing some girning about her not getting enough endorsements. The sense of entitlement racking up at the last minute to be President of Ireland. Never heard of her before this week.
Had you heard of Jim Gavin's political views a month ago? Had he ever voiced them? Does he really have any? Or are they crafted by ''The Party''?
I am at the age (50's) where I find with most politicians that I don't agree (or agree) with on everything they say or endorse. This happens all the time with the ones I really like or the ones I really hate. I have my own mind.I am not a cloned left or Right person. I take things at face value and base things on experience.
This is why I like a broad choice when deciding who to vote for.
Let the Steen's of the world be on the Ballot paper. If only to shake up the narrative. If you don't agree with her then don't vote for her. If she is saying the wrong thing then it can be only good for her opponents. Not letting her get nominated showed fear from FF, FG and SF.
No. Just no.
Steen didn't get nominated because she showed up late and did very little legwork. On her, not the system.
How much legwork did Heather or Jim do?
Perk of being in a party.
I'd rather Steen was on the ballot, you're just giving the loopers more to moan about that she's not. But it's her fault that she isn't to be fair.
Hard to expect her to do the dirty work with a €25,000 handbag
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 27, 2025, 12:03:16 PMPerk of being in a party.
More like the perk of joining a party 3 weeks ago!
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2025, 09:36:46 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on September 27, 2025, 09:17:21 AMMarie Steen supporters (the right wing and religios zealots.. same thing) still doing some girning about her not getting enough endorsements. The sense of entitlement racking up at the last minute to be President of Ireland. Never heard of her before this week.
Had you heard of Jim Gavin's political views a month ago? Had he ever voiced them? Does he really have any? Or are they crafted by ''The Party''?
I am at the age (50's) where I find with most politicians that I don't agree (or agree) with on everything they say or endorse. This happens all the time with the ones I really like or the ones I really hate. I have my own mind.I am not a cloned left or Right person. I take things at face value and base things on experience.
This is why I like a broad choice when deciding who to vote for.
Let the Steen's of the world be on the Ballot paper. If only to shake up the narrative. If you don't agree with her then don't vote for her. If she is saying the wrong thing then it can be only good for her opponents. Not letting her get nominated showed fear from FF, FG and SF.
She didn't get the nominations. Her fans need to get over it. Who nominates an opponent that is going to take votes off your candidate? Some sense of entitlement crying that she can't be president ffs!
Personally, I'm disappointed she isn't an option, but that's the process, so sin é.
There are a lot of ways to look at it. Some of the arguments for her inclusion are valid, but if McGregor fanboys and fangirls rolled out more of the things said, they would be greeted with derision, and rightly so.
However, it appears in a lot of commentary that layered thinking isn't a thing, and it can be hard to judge from some of the journalists or commentators with the larger platforms whether they lack that capacity themselves, or if it's a measured and deliberate tactic to shape the narrative.
It would make an interesting case study for hive mind thinking. Throw a dog a bone, and the rest of the anatomy doesn't matter. Maria Steen is in the Iona Institute, so nothing else matters, I ain't gonna listen cos she's a Catholic wing nut. Heather Humphries husband is an Orange b*****d, so I ain't gonna listen to what she says. Catherine Connelly is a leftie communist loon that doesn't support Ukraine, so I ain't gonna listen to her. I heard Jim Gavin was playing away from home, so I ain't gonna listen to him.
It's a ceremonial role, a representative role. And people are missing the big picture- who do you want to see when the All-Irelands are being presented?
Michael McDowell now saying she is a divisive figure. So if she can't even get votes from right wingers, she can't be complaining. The meltdowns from McGurk, Boylan, Restaurant Gemma, and all the bots has been a good laugh. Ironically any of the 3 left could win, and it will be all down to who comes third in first round of voting and where those transfers go.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 27, 2025, 01:35:12 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2025, 01:21:16 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on September 27, 2025, 12:03:16 PMPerk of being in a party.
More like the perk of joining a party 3 weeks ago!
True..
Going by his posters he mustn't intend staying long.
The Fianna Fáil bit is barely visible at the bottom.
Edit: HH's even worse.
Fine Gael a little button bottom left.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 27, 2025, 01:00:57 PMHard to expect her to do the dirty work with a €25,000 handbag
Luckily Michael D would have a more modest standard of living .....
Inside Michael D Higgins two Galway homes including 'tax break' situation over house (https://www.galwaybeo.ie/news/galway-news/inside-michael-d-higgins-two-7845645)
I'd prefer a house to a handbag any day.
Usually you need to have an ongoing "relationship" with the brand before they let you buy one of the statement pieces. So she probably has a fair spend.
Ferrari/Rolex dealers similar.
Thankfully thats not the case for Hermes ties, that are top notch and affordable[relatively].
Quote from: Rossfan on September 27, 2025, 06:51:52 PMI'd prefer a house to a handbag any day.
Or even in Michael D's case a collection of houses.....
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2025, 09:55:11 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2025, 09:36:46 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on September 27, 2025, 09:17:21 AMMarie Steen supporters (the right wing and religios zealots.. same thing) still doing some girning about her not getting enough endorsements. The sense of entitlement racking up at the last minute to be President of Ireland. Never heard of her before this week.
Had you heard of Jim Gavin's political views a month ago? Had he ever voiced them? Does he really have any? Or are they crafted by ''The Party''?
I am at the age (50's) where I find with most politicians that I don't agree (or agree) with on everything they say or endorse. This happens all the time with the ones I really like or the ones I really hate. I have my own mind.I am not a cloned left or Right person. I take things at face value and base things on experience.
This is why I like a broad choice when deciding who to vote for.
Let the Steen's of the world be on the Ballot paper. If only to shake up the narrative. If you don't agree with her then don't vote for her. If she is saying the wrong thing then it can be only good for her opponents. Not letting her get nominated showed fear from FF, FG and SF.
No. Just no.
Steen didn't get nominated because she showed up late and did very little legwork. On her, not the system.
No it's not, the other independent Sheridan had been canvassing TDs and councils for the last 12 months and he didn't get on the ballot either.
Steen and Sheridan were denied nomination because they stood outside the political party system. To say otherwise is to be a liar.
What party would allow Steen in?
I see the Steen heads are out on X doing #SpoilTheVote now.Like social media and especially X is not the real world and I don't think she has much real world support.
Overall I disagree with councils not voting though. That should be an option for someone to put the grunt work in and go for it. On the flip I don't want the case where lots of single issue headbangers are throwing their names in.
It's a shocking filed in my mind. Kelleher would have been a better option for FF as he has served as TD and MEP and his record is out there.
Too thick to realise that spoiled votes are disregarded. Except for subtracting them from the total vote to ascertain the quota.
Quote from: trileacman on September 28, 2025, 12:36:07 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2025, 09:55:11 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on September 27, 2025, 09:36:46 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on September 27, 2025, 09:17:21 AMMarie Steen supporters (the right wing and religios zealots.. same thing) still doing some girning about her not getting enough endorsements. The sense of entitlement racking up at the last minute to be President of Ireland. Never heard of her before this week.
Had you heard of Jim Gavin's political views a month ago? Had he ever voiced them? Does he really have any? Or are they crafted by ''The Party''?
I am at the age (50's) where I find with most politicians that I don't agree (or agree) with on everything they say or endorse. This happens all the time with the ones I really like or the ones I really hate. I have my own mind.I am not a cloned left or Right person. I take things at face value and base things on experience.
This is why I like a broad choice when deciding who to vote for.
Let the Steen's of the world be on the Ballot paper. If only to shake up the narrative. If you don't agree with her then don't vote for her. If she is saying the wrong thing then it can be only good for her opponents. Not letting her get nominated showed fear from FF, FG and SF.
No. Just no.
Steen didn't get nominated because she showed up late and did very little legwork. On her, not the system.
No it's not, the other independent Sheridan had been canvassing TDs and councils for the last 12 months and he didn't get on the ballot either.
Steen and Sheridan were denied nomination because they stood outside the political party system. To say otherwise is to be a liar.
A different opinion is not necessarily a lie.
Stop the extremism.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 28, 2025, 10:20:01 AMToo thick to realise that spoiled votes are disregarded. Except for subtracting them from the total vote to ascertain the quota.
Aren't we lucky to have intelligent voters so. Might even go so far as to say Thank God for intelligent voters, but that might betray a lack of intelligence. Believe in the Establishment.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 28, 2025, 10:20:01 AMToo thick to realise that spoiled votes are disregarded. Except for subtracting them from the total vote to ascertain the quota.
If there is nobody to vote for on the Ballot - what would you do?
Indo on the ball today
(https://i.ibb.co/mVVm6bJQ/sheen-traitor.jpg)
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 28, 2025, 12:37:09 PMQuote from: Rossfan on September 28, 2025, 10:20:01 AMToo thick to realise that spoiled votes are disregarded. Except for subtracting them from the total vote to ascertain the quota.
If there is nobody to vote for on the Ballot - what would you do?
There are 3 candidates on the ballot.
I'll be voting 1,2 and 3 in my order of choice.
I never get to decide who's on the ballot paper. (Unless I was to stand in local or general elections myself....)
A genuine question to the 'Steen was robbed' folks
I think it would be generally accepted that there must be some controls around who gets onto the ballot
Lest we have a case where we've 50,000 candidates to choose from and the RTE debates become even more chaotic
So, given that you disagree with the current controls that are in place - what would your new proposals be for this?
Quote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 05:19:33 PMA genuine question to the 'Steen was robbed' folks
I think it would be generally accepted that there must be some controls around who gets onto the ballot
Lest we have a case where we've 50,000 candidates to choose from and the RTE debates become even more chaotic
So, given that you disagree with the current controls that are in place - what would your new proposals be for this?
I'm not in the "Steen was robbed" camp I'm in the "this ballot is far too small for a healthy democracy" camp. Sinn Fein are a political party with ideas of leading a government in the Dail. They received more or less the same vote share as FF and FG. How is it possible that they can't put forward a representative candidate of their own? A gerrymandered candidate would make some sense in a FPTP election but none whatsoever in an Irish Presidential election.
Similarly there were plenty of Independents who didn't agree with Steen but gave her support in the interest of democratic debate. I've no doubt that a lot more FF and FG councillors, TD's and senators would have given their support to Steen's candicacy if not for the party whip cracking down.
The position of Ceann Comhraile is elected by secret ballot for the very specific reason that party whips can't dominate and curtail the aspirations of popular independents or small parties. TD's and senators should also be able to support a Presidential candidate by secret ballot in the interest of a wider political spectrum being represented.
(https://i.ibb.co/ksm0H7ht/temu-sheen.jpg)
Looking at both sides of the argument, the role of President is representative. Steen didn't meet the criteria through the Oireachtas or the Council routes, so that's fair enough.
It feels like it was skewed by the whip system, given the express instruction by Fine Gael to block nominations. I get the logic of why would you facilitate an opponent of your own candidate, but if these councillors could either support a candidate if they felt it reflected the views of a significant cohort of their constituency, or abstain in the event of a vote, then it would be more likely a candidate would fulfil the criteria. It still would require the numbers, and that mathematically would prevent a ludicrous number of candidates qualifying.
The sense of injustice, if you like, is that the mainstream parties pulled up the drawbridge behind them to virtually guarantee nobody else would be in the running.
That's as I see it, but I could be wrong, or missing some point, or just plain misinformed.
Quote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 09:13:56 PMSinn Fein are a political party with ideas of leading a government in the Dail. They received more or less the same vote share as FF and FG. How is it possible that they can't put forward a representative candidate of their own?
Surely it would have been tactically crazy for SF to run a candidate? Three reasons:
1.Given transfers will always go from FF to FG and reverse, then a SF candidate will always struggle. Similarly a SF backed candidate like Connolly could very well top the poll on first preferences and lose by a significant margin once the FFG transfers are distributed. Why would SF set themselves up for such a fall?
2. If SF are to have any hope of getting Mary Lou as Taoiseach, they will have to have a broad consensus of the left. This is the first time we have seen the left parties working so closely together and SF stand to gain most from that broad left co-operation/unity. Why would they jeopardise that strategy just to run their own candidate, who would likely not win anyway, for a powerless position?
3. In order to get SFs backing, a red line condition would have been that Connolly (or anyone else) would have to speak enthusiastically in support of a united Ireland in their campaign. Having Irish Unity being addressed and platformed by non-SF candidate only helps them create the impression that momementum is building towards a border poll.
Quote from: Snapchap on September 29, 2025, 09:46:19 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 09:13:56 PMSinn Fein are a political party with ideas of leading a government in the Dail. They received more or less the same vote share as FF and FG. How is it possible that they can't put forward a representative candidate of their own?
Surely it would have been tactically crazy for SF to run a candidate? Three reasons:
1.Given transfers will always go from FF to FG and reverse, then a SF candidate will always struggle. Similarly a SF backed candidate like Connolly could very well top the poll on first preferences and lose by a significant margin once the FFG transfers are distributed. Why would SF set themselves up for such a fall?
2. If SF are to have any hope of getting Mary Lou as Taoiseach, they will have to have a broad consensus of the left. This is the first time we have seen the left parties working so closely together and SF stand to gain most from that broad left co-operation/unity. Why would they jeopardise that strategy just to run their own candidate, who would likely not win anyway, for a powerless position?
3. In order to get SFs backing, a red line condition would have been that Connolly (or anyone else) would have to speak enthusiastically in support of a united Ireland in their campaign. Having Irish Unity being addressed and platformed by non-SF candidate only helps them create the impression that momementum is building towards a border poll.
Points 1 and 2 are plainly contradictory. If SF are building an Alliance on the left why could they not count on transfers from Connolly? Or the transfers from their candidate going to Connolly? FF and FG are content to split the government's vote with 2 candidates, how is that anymore tactically correct than SF backing Connolly.
Your biggest argument as I've highlighted in bold seems to be that SF are going to lose anyway so it's better not to run a candidate at all. A bizarre, incomprehensible position for a political party involved in democracy. A similar strategy would have been for them not to contest the last general election once it was apparent to them they weren't going to win.
Whilst the Presidential role is largely ceremonial, running a candidate for the position is very important for a large political party to be taken seriously. A Presidential campaign mobilises your grassroots supporters, indicates your party position on matters, encourages recognition of your party around the country and shows the electorate that you take the institutions of government seriously.
Quote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 09:13:56 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 05:19:33 PMA genuine question to the 'Steen was robbed' folks
I think it would be generally accepted that there must be some controls around who gets onto the ballot
Lest we have a case where we've 50,000 candidates to choose from and the RTE debates become even more chaotic
So, given that you disagree with the current controls that are in place - what would your new proposals be for this?
I'm not in the "Steen was robbed" camp I'm in the "this ballot is far too small for a healthy democracy" camp. Sinn Fein are a political party with ideas of leading a government in the Dail. They received more or less the same vote share as FF and FG. How is it possible that they can't put forward a representative candidate of their own? A gerrymandered candidate would make some sense in a FPTP election but none whatsoever in an Irish Presidential election.
Similarly there were plenty of Independents who didn't agree with Steen but gave her support in the interest of democratic debate. I've no doubt that a lot more FF and FG councillors, TD's and senators would have given their support to Steen's candicacy if not for the party whip cracking down.
The position of Ceann Comhraile is elected by secret ballot for the very specific reason that party whips can't dominate and curtail the aspirations of popular independents or small parties. TD's and senators should also be able to support a Presidential candidate by secret ballot in the interest of a wider political spectrum being represented.
So in summary...
Sinn Fein are useless for not putting forward a 'party' candidate
FG and FF are useless for putting forward a 'party' candidate and instructing party members to back them
You do understand this makes you look a bit silly
Quote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 10:02:12 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 09:13:56 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 05:19:33 PMA genuine question to the 'Steen was robbed' folks
I think it would be generally accepted that there must be some controls around who gets onto the ballot
Lest we have a case where we've 50,000 candidates to choose from and the RTE debates become even more chaotic
So, given that you disagree with the current controls that are in place - what would your new proposals be for this?
I'm not in the "Steen was robbed" camp I'm in the "this ballot is far too small for a healthy democracy" camp. Sinn Fein are a political party with ideas of leading a government in the Dail. They received more or less the same vote share as FF and FG. How is it possible that they can't put forward a representative candidate of their own? A gerrymandered candidate would make some sense in a FPTP election but none whatsoever in an Irish Presidential election.
Similarly there were plenty of Independents who didn't agree with Steen but gave her support in the interest of democratic debate. I've no doubt that a lot more FF and FG councillors, TD's and senators would have given their support to Steen's candicacy if not for the party whip cracking down.
The position of Ceann Comhraile is elected by secret ballot for the very specific reason that party whips can't dominate and curtail the aspirations of popular independents or small parties. TD's and senators should also be able to support a Presidential candidate by secret ballot in the interest of a wider political spectrum being represented.
So in summary...
Sinn Fein are useless for not putting forward a 'party' candidate
FG and FF are useless for putting forward a 'party' candidate and instructing party members to back them
You do understand this makes you look a bit silly
Twisting yourself in knots there to construe what I said as that.
SF, FF and FG all conspired to shorten the ballot paper (through different means) and stop a boarder discussion being held about who should represent the country.
?Do you think only 3 runners for President is a good thing?
Presidential debate on Virgin Media One.. poor Jim out of his depth.
The first debate is proceeding as expected. Connolly rabbiting on about the military-industrial complex, Gavin not a great speaker, Humphries nothing special, but the best of a bad lot.
Quote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 10:16:10 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 10:02:12 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 09:13:56 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 05:19:33 PMA genuine question to the 'Steen was robbed' folks
I think it would be generally accepted that there must be some controls around who gets onto the ballot
Lest we have a case where we've 50,000 candidates to choose from and the RTE debates become even more chaotic
So, given that you disagree with the current controls that are in place - what would your new proposals be for this?
I'm not in the "Steen was robbed" camp I'm in the "this ballot is far too small for a healthy democracy" camp. Sinn Fein are a political party with ideas of leading a government in the Dail. They received more or less the same vote share as FF and FG. How is it possible that they can't put forward a representative candidate of their own? A gerrymandered candidate would make some sense in a FPTP election but none whatsoever in an Irish Presidential election.
Similarly there were plenty of Independents who didn't agree with Steen but gave her support in the interest of democratic debate. I've no doubt that a lot more FF and FG councillors, TD's and senators would have given their support to Steen's candicacy if not for the party whip cracking down.
The position of Ceann Comhraile is elected by secret ballot for the very specific reason that party whips can't dominate and curtail the aspirations of popular independents or small parties. TD's and senators should also be able to support a Presidential candidate by secret ballot in the interest of a wider political spectrum being represented.
So in summary...
Sinn Fein are useless for not putting forward a 'party' candidate
FG and FF are useless for putting forward a 'party' candidate and instructing party members to back them
You do understand this makes you look a bit silly
Twisting yourself in knots there to construe what I said as that.
SF, FF and FG all conspired to shorten the ballot paper (through different means) and stop a boarder discussion being held about who should represent the country.
?Do you think only 3 runners for President is a good thing?
No knots at all
I know when you see it shortened down a bit it does sound pretty daft, but that's what you said
Do you genuinely think that SF, FF and FG all sat down together and plotted to have the least possible names on the ballot?
Really?
To what end?
Quote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 10:18:16 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 10:16:10 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 10:02:12 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 09:13:56 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 05:19:33 PMA genuine question to the 'Steen was robbed' folks
I think it would be generally accepted that there must be some controls around who gets onto the ballot
Lest we have a case where we've 50,000 candidates to choose from and the RTE debates become even more chaotic
So, given that you disagree with the current controls that are in place - what would your new proposals be for this?
I'm not in the "Steen was robbed" camp I'm in the "this ballot is far too small for a healthy democracy" camp. Sinn Fein are a political party with ideas of leading a government in the Dail. They received more or less the same vote share as FF and FG. How is it possible that they can't put forward a representative candidate of their own? A gerrymandered candidate would make some sense in a FPTP election but none whatsoever in an Irish Presidential election.
Similarly there were plenty of Independents who didn't agree with Steen but gave her support in the interest of democratic debate. I've no doubt that a lot more FF and FG councillors, TD's and senators would have given their support to Steen's candicacy if not for the party whip cracking down.
The position of Ceann Comhraile is elected by secret ballot for the very specific reason that party whips can't dominate and curtail the aspirations of popular independents or small parties. TD's and senators should also be able to support a Presidential candidate by secret ballot in the interest of a wider political spectrum being represented.
So in summary...
Sinn Fein are useless for not putting forward a 'party' candidate
FG and FF are useless for putting forward a 'party' candidate and instructing party members to back them
You do understand this makes you look a bit silly
Twisting yourself in knots there to construe what I said as that.
SF, FF and FG all conspired to shorten the ballot paper (through different means) and stop a boarder discussion being held about who should represent the country.
?Do you think only 3 runners for President is a good thing?
No knots at all
That's what you said
Do you genuinely think that SF, FF and FG all sat down together and plotted to have the least possible names on the ballot?
Really?
To what end?
No I don't think they sat down together and plotted it. SF sat down and seen the field was only going to be 3 fairly uninspiring people and for reasons only they'll know decided not to contest the election despite the opportunity for a SF candidate to get a much larger share of the spotlight than is usually the case in a Presidential election.
SF, FG and FF sought to keep the ballot as short as possible to protect their own individual candidates and facilitate an election that is just FG v FF v The Left. Whilst they are entitled to work the nomination system to their favour, and it shouldn't be incumbent upon individual politicians to hobble their careers by breaking rank with the party, I'd have to say the outcome has been an emasculated field of 3 pretty uninspiring candidates.
Disagree with that?
Quote from: armaghniac on September 29, 2025, 10:17:25 PMThe first debate is proceeding as expected. Connolly rabbiting on about the military-industrial complex, Gavin not a great speaker, Humphries nothing special, but the best of a bad lot.
Wouldn't call that rabbiting on. 100% correct.
It's gas looking at the posters of Jim Galvin here in Mayo.
I really can't even see Fianna Fail die-hards voting for him.
He was the orchestrator in the main of extra years of hurt.
I'd guess it'd be the same in Kildare and Meath, Bar the Dubs who live there to get on the property ladder.
Ye
Quote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 10:33:13 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 10:18:16 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 10:16:10 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 10:02:12 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 09:13:56 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 05:19:33 PMA genuine question to the 'Steen was robbed' folks
I think it would be generally accepted that there must be some controls around who gets onto the ballot
Lest we have a case where we've 50,000 candidates to choose from and the RTE debates become even more chaotic
So, given that you disagree with the current controls that are in place - what would your new proposals be for this?
I'm not in the "Steen was robbed" camp I'm in the "this ballot is far too small for a healthy democracy" camp. Sinn Fein are a political party with ideas of leading a government in the Dail. They received more or less the same vote share as FF and FG. How is it possible that they can't put forward a representative candidate of their own? A gerrymandered candidate would make some sense in a FPTP election but none whatsoever in an Irish Presidential election.
Similarly there were plenty of Independents who didn't agree with Steen but gave her support in the interest of democratic debate. I've no doubt that a lot more FF and FG councillors, TD's and senators would have given their support to Steen's candicacy if not for the party whip cracking down.
The position of Ceann Comhraile is elected by secret ballot for the very specific reason that party whips can't dominate and curtail the aspirations of popular independents or small parties. TD's and senators should also be able to support a Presidential candidate by secret ballot in the interest of a wider political spectrum being represented.
So in summary...
Sinn Fein are useless for not putting forward a 'party' candidate
FG and FF are useless for putting forward a 'party' candidate and instructing party members to back them
You do understand this makes you look a bit silly
Twisting yourself in knots there to construe what I said as that.
SF, FF and FG all conspired to shorten the ballot paper (through different means) and stop a boarder discussion being held about who should represent the country.
?Do you think only 3 runners for President is a good thing?
No knots at all
That's what you said
Do you genuinely think that SF, FF and FG all sat down together and plotted to have the least possible names on the ballot?
Really?
To what end?
No I don't think they sat down together and plotted it. SF sat down and seen the field was only going to be 3 fairly uninspiring people and for reasons only they'll know decided not to contest the election despite the opportunity for a SF candidate to get a much larger share of the spotlight than is usually the case in a Presidential election.
SF, FG and FF sought to keep the ballot as short as possible to protect their own individual candidates and facilitate an election that is just FG v FF v The Left. Whilst they are entitled to work the nomination system to their favour, and it shouldn't be incumbent upon individual politicians to hobble their careers by breaking rank with the party, I'd have to say the outcome has been an emasculated field of 3 pretty uninspiring candidates.
Disagree with that?
Yeah pretty much all of it cos it's absolute scutter
So they 'conspired' but they didn't actually conspire. You do know what conspire means?
And SF saw a candidate fairly closely aligned to their own ideals and didn't stand someone against her, saving the party time, money, effort and a good politician lost to a ceremonial role
Also to note - for someone who was deriding SF for not fielding their 'own individual candidate' - you've just said above that SF have their 'own individual candidate' :-)
FF and FG fielded candidates and **shock horror** instructed the party members through the whips to support said candidates
The fact that there's only 3 candidates is disappointing but that brings me back to my very first post on the topic, which you nor anyone else have answered...
What's your alternative system?
Quote from: Substandard on September 29, 2025, 09:17:28 PMLooking at both sides of the argument, the role of President is representative. Steen didn't meet the criteria through the Oireachtas or the Council routes, so that's fair enough.
It feels like it was skewed by the whip system, given the express instruction by Fine Gael to block nominations. I get the logic of why would you facilitate an opponent of your own candidate, but if these councillors could either support a candidate if they felt it reflected the views of a significant cohort of their constituency, or abstain in the event of a vote, then it would be more likely a candidate would fulfil the criteria. It still would require the numbers, and that mathematically would prevent a ludicrous number of candidates qualifying.
The sense of injustice, if you like, is that the mainstream parties pulled up the drawbridge behind them to virtually guarantee nobody else would be in the running.
That's as I see it, but I could be wrong, or missing some point, or just plain misinformed.
Steen would easily have gotten 4 councils. But she simply wasn't arsed going down the sticks and putting in the hard yards. She let Toibin do the running in the Oireachtas, only showing up when it was clear she was cooked. Turns out Iona don't have all that much juice
I agree 3 isn't ideal, but the majority of the independents this time were absolute vermin. The question is where were the centrist candidates that would have gotten nominations this time?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 29, 2025, 10:55:17 PMQuote from: Substandard on September 29, 2025, 09:17:28 PMLooking at both sides of the argument, the role of President is representative. Steen didn't meet the criteria through the Oireachtas or the Council routes, so that's fair enough.
It feels like it was skewed by the whip system, given the express instruction by Fine Gael to block nominations. I get the logic of why would you facilitate an opponent of your own candidate, but if these councillors could either support a candidate if they felt it reflected the views of a significant cohort of their constituency, or abstain in the event of a vote, then it would be more likely a candidate would fulfil the criteria. It still would require the numbers, and that mathematically would prevent a ludicrous number of candidates qualifying.
The sense of injustice, if you like, is that the mainstream parties pulled up the drawbridge behind them to virtually guarantee nobody else would be in the running.
That's as I see it, but I could be wrong, or missing some point, or just plain misinformed.
Steen would easily have gotten 4 councils. But she simply wasn't arsed going down the sticks and putting in the hard yards. She let Toibin do the running in the Oireachtas, only showing up when it was clear she was cooked. Turns out Iona don't have all that much juice
I agree 3 isn't ideal, but the majority of the independents this time were absolute vermin. The question is where were the centrist candidates that would have gotten nominations this time?
If getting councils is so easy why didn't Sheridan get their support despite courting them for a year?
I don't know where the centrist candidates where but probably they correctly identified that it was impossible to get on the ballot without the support of the 4 main Dail parties?
Quote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 10:50:13 PMYe
Quote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 10:33:13 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 10:18:16 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 10:16:10 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 10:02:12 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 09:13:56 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 05:19:33 PMA genuine question to the 'Steen was robbed' folks
I think it would be generally accepted that there must be some controls around who gets onto the ballot
Lest we have a case where we've 50,000 candidates to choose from and the RTE debates become even more chaotic
So, given that you disagree with the current controls that are in place - what would your new proposals be for this?
I'm not in the "Steen was robbed" camp I'm in the "this ballot is far too small for a healthy democracy" camp. Sinn Fein are a political party with ideas of leading a government in the Dail. They received more or less the same vote share as FF and FG. How is it possible that they can't put forward a representative candidate of their own? A gerrymandered candidate would make some sense in a FPTP election but none whatsoever in an Irish Presidential election.
Similarly there were plenty of Independents who didn't agree with Steen but gave her support in the interest of democratic debate. I've no doubt that a lot more FF and FG councillors, TD's and senators would have given their support to Steen's candicacy if not for the party whip cracking down.
The position of Ceann Comhraile is elected by secret ballot for the very specific reason that party whips can't dominate and curtail the aspirations of popular independents or small parties. TD's and senators should also be able to support a Presidential candidate by secret ballot in the interest of a wider political spectrum being represented.
So in summary...
Sinn Fein are useless for not putting forward a 'party' candidate
FG and FF are useless for putting forward a 'party' candidate and instructing party members to back them
You do understand this makes you look a bit silly
Twisting yourself in knots there to construe what I said as that.
SF, FF and FG all conspired to shorten the ballot paper (through different means) and stop a boarder discussion being held about who should represent the country.
?Do you think only 3 runners for President is a good thing?
No knots at all
That's what you said
Do you genuinely think that SF, FF and FG all sat down together and plotted to have the least possible names on the ballot?
Really?
To what end?
No I don't think they sat down together and plotted it. SF sat down and seen the field was only going to be 3 fairly uninspiring people and for reasons only they'll know decided not to contest the election despite the opportunity for a SF candidate to get a much larger share of the spotlight than is usually the case in a Presidential election.
SF, FG and FF sought to keep the ballot as short as possible to protect their own individual candidates and facilitate an election that is just FG v FF v The Left. Whilst they are entitled to work the nomination system to their favour, and it shouldn't be incumbent upon individual politicians to hobble their careers by breaking rank with the party, I'd have to say the outcome has been an emasculated field of 3 pretty uninspiring candidates.
Disagree with that?
Yeah pretty much all of it cos it's absolute scutter
So they 'conspired' but they didn't actually conspire. You do know what conspire means?
And SF saw a candidate fairly closely aligned to their own ideals and didn't stand someone against her, saving the party time, money, effort and a good politician lost to a ceremonial role
Also to note - for someone who was deriding SF for not fielding their 'own individual candidate' - you've just said above that SF have their 'own individual candidate' :-)
FF and FG fielded candidates and **shock horror** instructed the party members through the whips to support said candidates
The fact that there's only 3 candidates is disappointing but that brings me back to my very first post on the topic, which you nor anyone else have answered...
What's your alternative system?
QuoteThe position of Ceann Comhraile is elected by secret ballot for the very specific reason that party whips can't dominate and curtail the aspirations of popular independents or small parties. TD's and senators should also be able to support a Presidential candidate by secret ballot in the interest of a wider political spectrum being represented.
Can't you read?
Tell your Shinner handlers to save themselves "time, money and effort" at the next general election by not running any candidates in constituencies they aren't going to win.
Steen would have wiped the floor with all of them in a debate
She's smart, articulate and smoking hot
She was instrumental in helping defeat the recent referendums and made highly unpopular people look like babbling fools during those debates/tV appearances
Quote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 10:01:33 PMQuote from: Snapchap on September 29, 2025, 09:46:19 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 09:13:56 PMSinn Fein are a political party with ideas of leading a government in the Dail. They received more or less the same vote share as FF and FG. How is it possible that they can't put forward a representative candidate of their own?
Surely it would have been tactically crazy for SF to run a candidate? Three reasons:
1.Given transfers will always go from FF to FG and reverse, then a SF candidate will always struggle. Similarly a SF backed candidate like Connolly could very well top the poll on first preferences and lose by a significant margin once the FFG transfers are distributed. Why would SF set themselves up for such a fall?
2. If SF are to have any hope of getting Mary Lou as Taoiseach, they will have to have a broad consensus of the left. This is the first time we have seen the left parties working so closely together and SF stand to gain most from that broad left co-operation/unity. Why would they jeopardise that strategy just to run their own candidate, who would likely not win anyway, for a powerless position?
3. In order to get SFs backing, a red line condition would have been that Connolly (or anyone else) would have to speak enthusiastically in support of a united Ireland in their campaign. Having Irish Unity being addressed and platformed by non-SF candidate only helps them create the impression that momementum is building towards a border poll.
Points 1 and 2 are plainly contradictory. If SF are building an Alliance on the left why could they not count on transfers from Connolly? Or the transfers from their candidate going to Connolly? FF and FG are content to split the government's vote with 2 candidates, how is that anymore tactically correct than SF backing Connolly.
Your biggest argument as I've highlighted in bold seems to be that SF are going to lose anyway so it's better not to run a candidate at all. A bizarre, incomprehensible position for a political party involved in democracy. A similar strategy would have been for them not to contest the last general election once it was apparent to them they weren't going to win.
Whilst the Presidential role is largely ceremonial, running a candidate for the position is very important for a large political party to be taken seriously. A Presidential campaign mobilises your grassroots supporters, indicates your party position on matters, encourages recognition of your party around the country and shows the electorate that you take the institutions of government seriously.
Points 1 & 2 are not contradictory. How could they on one hand say they are serious about trying to build an alliance on the left, and on the other hand refuse to endorse a left unity candidate for what is a politically useless position. Beating the FFG duopoly won't come about for SF by splitting the first preference vote. SF are historically not transfer friendly so running their own candidate, splitting the first preference votes and relying on transfers wouldn't have been the smartest. And to suggest that not running a candidate for a meaningless, ceremonial role is akin to not standing in a general election is just a plainly stupid thing to come out with.
You can argue all you want that their decision is not in the interests of democracy... such debates are always sparked by electoral pacts, but that didn't mean that it wasn't a tactically correct decision for then to have made.
And as for your contention that SF can't be taken seriously unless they run their own candidate for a ceremonial position.... what a load of complete and utter waffle. They are top of the polls north and south and are the largest party in Ireland. Like them or loathe them, they are already taken seriously. FFS just about everything FF does and says going back years is calculated against the threat posed to it by SF.
And some might say that putting their own party pride/ego first by running their own candidate, instead of doing something to build/strengthen the sort of co-operation among the left that could be crucial to their chances of leading the next government, would be the sign of a party that isn't serious about getting into government. I'd suggest this show of commitment to left unity is a clear signal that they are serious about getting MLMcD into the Taoiseachs office.
Quote from: whitey on September 29, 2025, 11:11:16 PMSteen would have wiped the floor with all of them in a debate
She's smart, articulate and smoking hot
She was instrumental in helping defeat the recent referendums and made highly unpopular people look like babbling fools during those debates/tV appearances
Nurse!!!
Quote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 11:06:50 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 10:50:13 PMYe
Quote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 10:33:13 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 10:18:16 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 10:16:10 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 10:02:12 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 09:13:56 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 05:19:33 PMA genuine question to the 'Steen was robbed' folks
I think it would be generally accepted that there must be some controls around who gets onto the ballot
Lest we have a case where we've 50,000 candidates to choose from and the RTE debates become even more chaotic
So, given that you disagree with the current controls that are in place - what would your new proposals be for this?
I'm not in the "Steen was robbed" camp I'm in the "this ballot is far too small for a healthy democracy" camp. Sinn Fein are a political party with ideas of leading a government in the Dail. They received more or less the same vote share as FF and FG. How is it possible that they can't put forward a representative candidate of their own? A gerrymandered candidate would make some sense in a FPTP election but none whatsoever in an Irish Presidential election.
Similarly there were plenty of Independents who didn't agree with Steen but gave her support in the interest of democratic debate. I've no doubt that a lot more FF and FG councillors, TD's and senators would have given their support to Steen's candicacy if not for the party whip cracking down.
The position of Ceann Comhraile is elected by secret ballot for the very specific reason that party whips can't dominate and curtail the aspirations of popular independents or small parties. TD's and senators should also be able to support a Presidential candidate by secret ballot in the interest of a wider political spectrum being represented.
So in summary...
Sinn Fein are useless for not putting forward a 'party' candidate
FG and FF are useless for putting forward a 'party' candidate and instructing party members to back them
You do understand this makes you look a bit silly
Twisting yourself in knots there to construe what I said as that.
SF, FF and FG all conspired to shorten the ballot paper (through different means) and stop a boarder discussion being held about who should represent the country.
?Do you think only 3 runners for President is a good thing?
No knots at all
That's what you said
Do you genuinely think that SF, FF and FG all sat down together and plotted to have the least possible names on the ballot?
Really?
To what end?
No I don't think they sat down together and plotted it. SF sat down and seen the field was only going to be 3 fairly uninspiring people and for reasons only they'll know decided not to contest the election despite the opportunity for a SF candidate to get a much larger share of the spotlight than is usually the case in a Presidential election.
SF, FG and FF sought to keep the ballot as short as possible to protect their own individual candidates and facilitate an election that is just FG v FF v The Left. Whilst they are entitled to work the nomination system to their favour, and it shouldn't be incumbent upon individual politicians to hobble their careers by breaking rank with the party, I'd have to say the outcome has been an emasculated field of 3 pretty uninspiring candidates.
Disagree with that?
Yeah pretty much all of it cos it's absolute scutter
So they 'conspired' but they didn't actually conspire. You do know what conspire means?
And SF saw a candidate fairly closely aligned to their own ideals and didn't stand someone against her, saving the party time, money, effort and a good politician lost to a ceremonial role
Also to note - for someone who was deriding SF for not fielding their 'own individual candidate' - you've just said above that SF have their 'own individual candidate' :-)
FF and FG fielded candidates and **shock horror** instructed the party members through the whips to support said candidates
The fact that there's only 3 candidates is disappointing but that brings me back to my very first post on the topic, which you nor anyone else have answered...
What's your alternative system?
QuoteThe position of Ceann Comhraile is elected by secret ballot for the very specific reason that party whips can't dominate and curtail the aspirations of popular independents or small parties. TD's and senators should also be able to support a Presidential candidate by secret ballot in the interest of a wider political spectrum being represented.
Can't you read?
Tell your Shinner handlers to save themselves "time, money and effort" at the next general election by not running any candidates in constituencies they aren't going to win.
Apologies, amongst all the shite, I'd missed that. I suppose you had to make one point that stood up to some half scrutiny. Though you are aware that (apparently) in politics there's no such thing as a secret ballot
Why would your second point be a good idea though?
Surely that would just lead to 'emasculated' fields? Which is exactly what got your knickers in a knot in the first place?
And 'Shinner handlers' ;D ;D
There's a man low on bullets
Quote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 11:23:05 PMWhy would your second point be a good idea though?
Surely that would just lead to 'emasculated' fields? Which is exactly what got your knickers in a knot in the first place?
And 'Shinner handlers' ;D ;D
There's a man low on bullets
The 2nd point is your idea. SF is of course so tight on money, canvassars, time and candidates that they can't run a Presidential campaign of their own. Perhaps you'd care to admit it's their shortage of votes that's really the reason they're hiding under Connolly skirt? What did they poll again at the last presidential election? 6%?
Sorry I forgot to type that out in a strucuture that you can read it. Hold on I'll translate it below.
The 2nd point is your idea.
SF is of course so tight on money, canvassars, time and candidates.
They can't run a Presidential campaign of their own.
Perhaps you'd care to admit it's their shortage of votes that's really the reason they're hiding under Connolly skirt?
What did they poll again at the last presidential election?
6%? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) ::) :P :-[ :-\ :-\ :-* :'(
Quote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 11:32:57 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 11:23:05 PMWhy would your second point be a good idea though?
Surely that would just lead to 'emasculated' fields? Which is exactly what got your knickers in a knot in the first place?
And 'Shinner handlers' ;D ;D
There's a man low on bullets
The 2nd point is your idea. SF is of course so tight on money, canvassars, time and candidates that they can't run a Presidential campaign of their own. Perhaps you'd care to admit it's their shortage of votes that's really the reason they're hiding under Connolly skirt? What did they poll again at the last presidential election? 6%?
Sorry I forgot to type that out in a strucuture that you can read it. Hold on I'll translate it below.
The 2nd point is your idea.
SF is of course so tight on money, canvassars, time and candidates.
They can't run a Presidential campaign of their own.
Perhaps you'd care to admit it's their shortage of votes that's really the reason they're hiding under Connolly skirt?
What did they poll again at the last presidential election?
6%? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) ::) :P :-[ :-\ :-\ :-* :'(
Maybe it is a shortage of votes - add that to the list if you want
If you think saying that would somehow annoy me you've got it all wrong
It's very much not my idea, I'm just telling it like it is
Those are the reasons as far as I see it - I don't comment on them other than to say they make perfect sense
Same as it makes perfect sense for FF and FG to instruct party members to vote for 'their' candidate
And lastly...
we've gone from 'shinner handlers' to sentence construction now?
The barrel is definitely empty
What's next - yo mamma jokes?
Quote from: Snapchap on September 29, 2025, 11:12:34 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 10:01:33 PMQuote from: Snapchap on September 29, 2025, 09:46:19 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 09:13:56 PMSinn Fein are a political party with ideas of leading a government in the Dail. They received more or less the same vote share as FF and FG. How is it possible that they can't put forward a representative candidate of their own?
Surely it would have been tactically crazy for SF to run a candidate? Three reasons:
1.Given transfers will always go from FF to FG and reverse, then a SF candidate will always struggle. Similarly a SF backed candidate like Connolly could very well top the poll on first preferences and lose by a significant margin once the FFG transfers are distributed. Why would SF set themselves up for such a fall?
2. If SF are to have any hope of getting Mary Lou as Taoiseach, they will have to have a broad consensus of the left. This is the first time we have seen the left parties working so closely together and SF stand to gain most from that broad left co-operation/unity. Why would they jeopardise that strategy just to run their own candidate, who would likely not win anyway, for a powerless position?
3. In order to get SFs backing, a red line condition would have been that Connolly (or anyone else) would have to speak enthusiastically in support of a united Ireland in their campaign. Having Irish Unity being addressed and platformed by non-SF candidate only helps them create the impression that momementum is building towards a border poll.
Points 1 and 2 are plainly contradictory. If SF are building an Alliance on the left why could they not count on transfers from Connolly? Or the transfers from their candidate going to Connolly? FF and FG are content to split the government's vote with 2 candidates, how is that anymore tactically correct than SF backing Connolly.
Your biggest argument as I've highlighted in bold seems to be that SF are going to lose anyway so it's better not to run a candidate at all. A bizarre, incomprehensible position for a political party involved in democracy. A similar strategy would have been for them not to contest the last general election once it was apparent to them they weren't going to win.
Whilst the Presidential role is largely ceremonial, running a candidate for the position is very important for a large political party to be taken seriously. A Presidential campaign mobilises your grassroots supporters, indicates your party position on matters, encourages recognition of your party around the country and shows the electorate that you take the institutions of government seriously.
Points 1 & 2 are not contradictory. How could they on one hand say they are serious about trying to build an alliance on the left, and on the other hand refuse to endorse a left unity candidate for what is a politically useless position. Beating the FFG duopoly won't come about for SF by splitting the first preference vote. SF are historically not transfer friendly so running their own candidate, splitting the first preference votes and relying on transfers wouldn't have been the smartest. And to suggest that not running a candidate for a meaningless, ceremonial role is akin to not standing in a general election is just a plainly stupid thing to come out with.
You can argue all you want that their decision is not in the interests of democracy... such debates are always sparked by electoral pacts, but that didn't mean that it wasn't a tactically correct decision for then to have made.
And as for your contention that SF can't be taken seriously unless they run their own candidate for a ceremonial position.... what a load of complete and utter waffle. They are top of the polls north and south and are the largest party in Ireland. Like them or loathe them, they are already taken seriously. FFS just about everything FF does and says going back years is calculated against the threat posed to it by SF.
And some might say that putting their own party pride/ego first by running their own candidate, instead of doing something to build/strengthen the sort of co-operation among the left that could be crucial to their chances of leading the next government, would be the sign of a party that isn't serious about getting into government. I'd suggest this show of commitment to left unity is a clear signal that they are serious about getting MLMcD into the Taoiseachs office.
Pretty strange then for Ireland's biggest party who are "top of the polls north and south" not only to be unable to run a viable candidate for president but also unable to organise the left coalition's selection of a candidate. Connolly was chosen and supported by Labour and the Soc Dems who came together to get her nominated. SF then spent 2 months refusing to say if they would support her or field their own candidate. They fairly dragged their heels over it for that last 2 months before "committing to left unity".
More likely I would think is that the SF brass wanted to run their own candidate but off the back of a terrible presidential election in 2018 and a poor showing in last years general election MLMD knew she couldn't afford another bad result. Given that Connolly had hit the ground strongly she probably knew that a SF candidate coming in last in the first preference votes would spell the end of her leadership of SF.
Quote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 11:48:08 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 11:32:57 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 11:23:05 PMWhy would your second point be a good idea though?
Surely that would just lead to 'emasculated' fields? Which is exactly what got your knickers in a knot in the first place?
And 'Shinner handlers' ;D ;D
There's a man low on bullets
The 2nd point is your idea. SF is of course so tight on money, canvassars, time and candidates that they can't run a Presidential campaign of their own. Perhaps you'd care to admit it's their shortage of votes that's really the reason they're hiding under Connolly skirt? What did they poll again at the last presidential election? 6%?
Sorry I forgot to type that out in a strucuture that you can read it. Hold on I'll translate it below.
The 2nd point is your idea.
SF is of course so tight on money, canvassars, time and candidates.
They can't run a Presidential campaign of their own.
Perhaps you'd care to admit it's their shortage of votes that's really the reason they're hiding under Connolly skirt?
What did they poll again at the last presidential election?
6%? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) ::) :P :-[ :-\ :-\ :-* :'(
Maybe it is a shortage of votes - add that to the list if you want
If you think saying that would somehow annoy me you've got it all wrong
It's very much not my idea, I'm just telling it like it is
Those are the reasons as far as I see it - I don't comment on them other than to say they make perfect sense
Same as it makes perfect sense for FF and FG to instruct party members to vote for 'their' candidate
And lastly...
we've gone from 'shinner handlers' to sentence construction now?
The barrel is definitely empty
What's next - yo mamma jokes?
So you concede SF probably don't have the votes to contest a presidential election?
Quote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 11:53:24 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 11:48:08 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 11:32:57 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 11:23:05 PMWhy would your second point be a good idea though?
Surely that would just lead to 'emasculated' fields? Which is exactly what got your knickers in a knot in the first place?
And 'Shinner handlers' ;D ;D
There's a man low on bullets
The 2nd point is your idea. SF is of course so tight on money, canvassars, time and candidates that they can't run a Presidential campaign of their own. Perhaps you'd care to admit it's their shortage of votes that's really the reason they're hiding under Connolly skirt? What did they poll again at the last presidential election? 6%?
Sorry I forgot to type that out in a strucuture that you can read it. Hold on I'll translate it below.
The 2nd point is your idea.
SF is of course so tight on money, canvassars, time and candidates.
They can't run a Presidential campaign of their own.
Perhaps you'd care to admit it's their shortage of votes that's really the reason they're hiding under Connolly skirt?
What did they poll again at the last presidential election?
6%? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) ::) :P :-[ :-\ :-\ :-* :'(
Maybe it is a shortage of votes - add that to the list if you want
If you think saying that would somehow annoy me you've got it all wrong
It's very much not my idea, I'm just telling it like it is
Those are the reasons as far as I see it - I don't comment on them other than to say they make perfect sense
Same as it makes perfect sense for FF and FG to instruct party members to vote for 'their' candidate
And lastly...
we've gone from 'shinner handlers' to sentence construction now?
The barrel is definitely empty
What's next - yo mamma jokes?
So you concede SF probably don't have the votes to contest a presidential election?
It's certainly possible, but if you say probably, sure why not. Go on ahead, I genuinely couldn't give a shite
But can you now admit that your first post on this issue was pure bollocks
And that you were just itching for a bit of old shinner bashing, but couldn't come out and say it
Quote from: Franko on September 30, 2025, 12:11:26 AMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 11:53:24 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 11:48:08 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 11:32:57 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 11:23:05 PMWhy would your second point be a good idea though?
Surely that would just lead to 'emasculated' fields? Which is exactly what got your knickers in a knot in the first place?
And 'Shinner handlers' ;D ;D
There's a man low on bullets
The 2nd point is your idea. SF is of course so tight on money, canvassars, time and candidates that they can't run a Presidential campaign of their own. Perhaps you'd care to admit it's their shortage of votes that's really the reason they're hiding under Connolly skirt? What did they poll again at the last presidential election? 6%?
Sorry I forgot to type that out in a strucuture that you can read it. Hold on I'll translate it below.
The 2nd point is your idea.
SF is of course so tight on money, canvassars, time and candidates.
They can't run a Presidential campaign of their own.
Perhaps you'd care to admit it's their shortage of votes that's really the reason they're hiding under Connolly skirt?
What did they poll again at the last presidential election?
6%? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) ::) :P :-[ :-\ :-\ :-* :'(
Maybe it is a shortage of votes - add that to the list if you want
If you think saying that would somehow annoy me you've got it all wrong
It's very much not my idea, I'm just telling it like it is
Those are the reasons as far as I see it - I don't comment on them other than to say they make perfect sense
Same as it makes perfect sense for FF and FG to instruct party members to vote for 'their' candidate
And lastly...
we've gone from 'shinner handlers' to sentence construction now?
The barrel is definitely empty
What's next - yo mamma jokes?
So you concede SF probably don't have the votes to contest a presidential election?
It's certainly possible, but if you say probably, sure why not. Go on ahead, I genuinely couldn't give a shite
But can you now admit that your first post on this issue was pure bollocks
And that you were just itching for a bit of old shinner bashing, but couldn't come out and say it
What part was bollocks?
We are pretty much all agree that the presidential race is too narrow. FG and FF closed out independent candidates by using the party whip. SF, despite being the islands biggest party, didn't field a candidate. Had the 3 big parties acted differently the election might be better for it.
Quote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 11:50:29 PMQuote from: Snapchap on September 29, 2025, 11:12:34 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 10:01:33 PMQuote from: Snapchap on September 29, 2025, 09:46:19 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 09:13:56 PMSinn Fein are a political party with ideas of leading a government in the Dail. They received more or less the same vote share as FF and FG. How is it possible that they can't put forward a representative candidate of their own?
Surely it would have been tactically crazy for SF to run a candidate? Three reasons:
1.Given transfers will always go from FF to FG and reverse, then a SF candidate will always struggle. Similarly a SF backed candidate like Connolly could very well top the poll on first preferences and lose by a significant margin once the FFG transfers are distributed. Why would SF set themselves up for such a fall?
2. If SF are to have any hope of getting Mary Lou as Taoiseach, they will have to have a broad consensus of the left. This is the first time we have seen the left parties working so closely together and SF stand to gain most from that broad left co-operation/unity. Why would they jeopardise that strategy just to run their own candidate, who would likely not win anyway, for a powerless position?
3. In order to get SFs backing, a red line condition would have been that Connolly (or anyone else) would have to speak enthusiastically in support of a united Ireland in their campaign. Having Irish Unity being addressed and platformed by non-SF candidate only helps them create the impression that momementum is building towards a border poll.
Points 1 and 2 are plainly contradictory. If SF are building an Alliance on the left why could they not count on transfers from Connolly? Or the transfers from their candidate going to Connolly? FF and FG are content to split the government's vote with 2 candidates, how is that anymore tactically correct than SF backing Connolly.
Your biggest argument as I've highlighted in bold seems to be that SF are going to lose anyway so it's better not to run a candidate at all. A bizarre, incomprehensible position for a political party involved in democracy. A similar strategy would have been for them not to contest the last general election once it was apparent to them they weren't going to win.
Whilst the Presidential role is largely ceremonial, running a candidate for the position is very important for a large political party to be taken seriously. A Presidential campaign mobilises your grassroots supporters, indicates your party position on matters, encourages recognition of your party around the country and shows the electorate that you take the institutions of government seriously.
Points 1 & 2 are not contradictory. How could they on one hand say they are serious about trying to build an alliance on the left, and on the other hand refuse to endorse a left unity candidate for what is a politically useless position. Beating the FFG duopoly won't come about for SF by splitting the first preference vote. SF are historically not transfer friendly so running their own candidate, splitting the first preference votes and relying on transfers wouldn't have been the smartest. And to suggest that not running a candidate for a meaningless, ceremonial role is akin to not standing in a general election is just a plainly stupid thing to come out with.
You can argue all you want that their decision is not in the interests of democracy... such debates are always sparked by electoral pacts, but that didn't mean that it wasn't a tactically correct decision for then to have made.
And as for your contention that SF can't be taken seriously unless they run their own candidate for a ceremonial position.... what a load of complete and utter waffle. They are top of the polls north and south and are the largest party in Ireland. Like them or loathe them, they are already taken seriously. FFS just about everything FF does and says going back years is calculated against the threat posed to it by SF.
And some might say that putting their own party pride/ego first by running their own candidate, instead of doing something to build/strengthen the sort of co-operation among the left that could be crucial to their chances of leading the next government, would be the sign of a party that isn't serious about getting into government. I'd suggest this show of commitment to left unity is a clear signal that they are serious about getting MLMcD into the Taoiseachs office.
Pretty strange then for Ireland's biggest party who are "top of the polls north and south" not only to be unable to run a viable candidate for president but also unable to organise the left coalition's selection of a candidate. Connolly was chosen and supported by Labour and the Soc Dems who came together to get her nominated. SF then spent 2 months refusing to say if they would support her or field their own candidate. They fairly dragged their heels over it for that last 2 months before "committing to left unity".
More likely I would think is that the SF brass wanted to run their own candidate but off the back of a terrible presidential election in 2018 and a poor showing in last years general election MLMD knew she couldn't afford another bad result. Given that Connolly had hit the ground strongly she probably knew that a SF candidate coming in last in the first preference votes would spell the end of her leadership of SF.
Why is it so "strange"? They are not transfer friendly, and were going to be up against a FFG duopoly who will, one again, transfer to eachother. Given that it's an inconsequential, ceremonial, politically useless role, why would they risk jeopardising the sort of left unity/cooperation they will need if they are to lead the next government, just so that they can say they ran a candidate for the Aras?
You can argue all you want that they should have willyfully jeopardised their changes of leading the next government by running their own candidate for a meaningless office, but its beyond daft to deny that it would have been tactically crazy.
And as I previously stated, having a non-SF candidate loudly and enthusiastically speaking out for Irish reunification is undeniably in their interest as it allows them to argue that there is an increasing momentum for a border poll.
Clearly you don't like them, and clearly you don't like the decision they came to, but that shouldn't mean you can't admit that for them, it was the tactically right and obvious decision.
Political anorak Prof. David McCann said it on BBC talkback long before SF announced their endorsement of Connolly, that there was no chance of them running their own candidate, for the very same reasons I've stated above. The only surprise was that it took them so long to announce it.
Quote from: trileacman on September 30, 2025, 12:29:25 AMQuote from: Franko on September 30, 2025, 12:11:26 AMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 11:53:24 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 11:48:08 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 11:32:57 PMQuote from: Franko on September 29, 2025, 11:23:05 PMWhy would your second point be a good idea though?
Surely that would just lead to 'emasculated' fields? Which is exactly what got your knickers in a knot in the first place?
And 'Shinner handlers' ;D ;D
There's a man low on bullets
The 2nd point is your idea. SF is of course so tight on money, canvassars, time and candidates that they can't run a Presidential campaign of their own. Perhaps you'd care to admit it's their shortage of votes that's really the reason they're hiding under Connolly skirt? What did they poll again at the last presidential election? 6%?
Sorry I forgot to type that out in a strucuture that you can read it. Hold on I'll translate it below.
The 2nd point is your idea.
SF is of course so tight on money, canvassars, time and candidates.
They can't run a Presidential campaign of their own.
Perhaps you'd care to admit it's their shortage of votes that's really the reason they're hiding under Connolly skirt?
What did they poll again at the last presidential election?
6%? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) ::) :P :-[ :-\ :-\ :-* :'(
Maybe it is a shortage of votes - add that to the list if you want
If you think saying that would somehow annoy me you've got it all wrong
It's very much not my idea, I'm just telling it like it is
Those are the reasons as far as I see it - I don't comment on them other than to say they make perfect sense
Same as it makes perfect sense for FF and FG to instruct party members to vote for 'their' candidate
And lastly...
we've gone from 'shinner handlers' to sentence construction now?
The barrel is definitely empty
What's next - yo mamma jokes?
So you concede SF probably don't have the votes to contest a presidential election?
It's certainly possible, but if you say probably, sure why not. Go on ahead, I genuinely couldn't give a shite
But can you now admit that your first post on this issue was pure bollocks
And that you were just itching for a bit of old shinner bashing, but couldn't come out and say it
What part was bollocks?
We are pretty much all agree that the presidential race is too narrow. FG and FF closed out independent candidates by using the party whip. SF, despite being the islands biggest party, didn't field a candidate. Had the 3 big parties acted differently the election might be better for it.
Ach if your granny had balls
You are going over absolute waffle here - why would any party act
1. Illogically
2. Against their own interests
3. Against the interests of their own voter base
The parties all did exactly what I'd expect of them
Steen arsed about indecisively and wrongly thought the good looks and fancy coats could pull a late string or 2 (though whitey would have signed her form alright)
McGregor / Delahanty et al - pure trash
Unfortunately the 3 candidates are probably a fair enough reflection of the country right now
Plenty of people to make noise about change - but not many willing to effect the change the hard (and only real) way
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 29, 2025, 10:55:17 PMQuote from: Substandard on September 29, 2025, 09:17:28 PMLooking at both sides of the argument, the role of President is representative. Steen didn't meet the criteria through the Oireachtas or the Council routes, so that's fair enough.
It feels like it was skewed by the whip system, given the express instruction by Fine Gael to block nominations. I get the logic of why would you facilitate an opponent of your own candidate, but if these councillors could either support a candidate if they felt it reflected the views of a significant cohort of their constituency, or abstain in the event of a vote, then it would be more likely a candidate would fulfil the criteria. It still would require the numbers, and that mathematically would prevent a ludicrous number of candidates qualifying.
The sense of injustice, if you like, is that the mainstream parties pulled up the drawbridge behind them to virtually guarantee nobody else would be in the running.
That's as I see it, but I could be wrong, or missing some point, or just plain misinformed.
Steen would easily have gotten 4 councils. But she simply wasn't arsed going down the sticks and putting in the hard yards. She let Toibin do the running in the Oireachtas, only showing up when it was clear she was cooked. Turns out Iona don't have all that much juice
I agree 3 isn't ideal, but the majority of the independents this time were absolute vermin. The question is where were the centrist candidates that would have gotten nominations this time?
That's probably true, maybe she or her camp overestimated their potential clout, and they found out too little too late too late once it became apparent that the council route looked close- did she think she'd get the 20 from the Seanad easier in the first place?
Im any event, it's all purely speculative from here on out, and the narrative is already writing itself. A low turnout? A lot of Steen supporters didn't bother voting. A higher than normal spoiled vote return? All would-be Steen voters, so combine the two and she would have won at a canter.
A lot was made of her only polling at 3% beforehand, so for someone so statistically irrelevant, she has generated a lot of debate. Regarding independents, I think there is a growing cynicism and disillusionment with the main parties cum one party, and Sinn Féin offering precious little alternative, so I'd imagine even more independents next time. The likes of the Monk, McGregor, etc. Maybe even Steen might sneak in!!
Quote from: Snapchap on September 30, 2025, 12:35:05 AMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 11:50:29 PMQuote from: Snapchap on September 29, 2025, 11:12:34 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 10:01:33 PMQuote from: Snapchap on September 29, 2025, 09:46:19 PMQuote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 09:13:56 PMSinn Fein are a political party with ideas of leading a government in the Dail. They received more or less the same vote share as FF and FG. How is it possible that they can't put forward a representative candidate of their own?
Surely it would have been tactically crazy for SF to run a candidate? Three reasons:
1.Given transfers will always go from FF to FG and reverse, then a SF candidate will always struggle. Similarly a SF backed candidate like Connolly could very well top the poll on first preferences and lose by a significant margin once the FFG transfers are distributed. Why would SF set themselves up for such a fall?
2. If SF are to have any hope of getting Mary Lou as Taoiseach, they will have to have a broad consensus of the left. This is the first time we have seen the left parties working so closely together and SF stand to gain most from that broad left co-operation/unity. Why would they jeopardise that strategy just to run their own candidate, who would likely not win anyway, for a powerless position?
3. In order to get SFs backing, a red line condition would have been that Connolly (or anyone else) would have to speak enthusiastically in support of a united Ireland in their campaign. Having Irish Unity being addressed and platformed by non-SF candidate only helps them create the impression that momementum is building towards a border poll.
Points 1 and 2 are plainly contradictory. If SF are building an Alliance on the left why could they not count on transfers from Connolly? Or the transfers from their candidate going to Connolly? FF and FG are content to split the government's vote with 2 candidates, how is that anymore tactically correct than SF backing Connolly.
Your biggest argument as I've highlighted in bold seems to be that SF are going to lose anyway so it's better not to run a candidate at all. A bizarre, incomprehensible position for a political party involved in democracy. A similar strategy would have been for them not to contest the last general election once it was apparent to them they weren't going to win.
Whilst the Presidential role is largely ceremonial, running a candidate for the position is very important for a large political party to be taken seriously. A Presidential campaign mobilises your grassroots supporters, indicates your party position on matters, encourages recognition of your party around the country and shows the electorate that you take the institutions of government seriously.
Points 1 & 2 are not contradictory. How could they on one hand say they are serious about trying to build an alliance on the left, and on the other hand refuse to endorse a left unity candidate for what is a politically useless position. Beating the FFG duopoly won't come about for SF by splitting the first preference vote. SF are historically not transfer friendly so running their own candidate, splitting the first preference votes and relying on transfers wouldn't have been the smartest. And to suggest that not running a candidate for a meaningless, ceremonial role is akin to not standing in a general election is just a plainly stupid thing to come out with.
You can argue all you want that their decision is not in the interests of democracy... such debates are always sparked by electoral pacts, but that didn't mean that it wasn't a tactically correct decision for then to have made.
And as for your contention that SF can't be taken seriously unless they run their own candidate for a ceremonial position.... what a load of complete and utter waffle. They are top of the polls north and south and are the largest party in Ireland. Like them or loathe them, they are already taken seriously. FFS just about everything FF does and says going back years is calculated against the threat posed to it by SF.
And some might say that putting their own party pride/ego first by running their own candidate, instead of doing something to build/strengthen the sort of co-operation among the left that could be crucial to their chances of leading the next government, would be the sign of a party that isn't serious about getting into government. I'd suggest this show of commitment to left unity is a clear signal that they are serious about getting MLMcD into the Taoiseachs office.
Pretty strange then for Ireland's biggest party who are "top of the polls north and south" not only to be unable to run a viable candidate for president but also unable to organise the left coalition's selection of a candidate. Connolly was chosen and supported by Labour and the Soc Dems who came together to get her nominated. SF then spent 2 months refusing to say if they would support her or field their own candidate. They fairly dragged their heels over it for that last 2 months before "committing to left unity".
More likely I would think is that the SF brass wanted to run their own candidate but off the back of a terrible presidential election in 2018 and a poor showing in last years general election MLMD knew she couldn't afford another bad result. Given that Connolly had hit the ground strongly she probably knew that a SF candidate coming in last in the first preference votes would spell the end of her leadership of SF.
Why is it so "strange"? They are not transfer friendly, and were going to be up against a FFG duopoly who will, one again, transfer to eachother. Given that it's an inconsequential, ceremonial, politically useless role, why would they risk jeopardising the sort of left unity/cooperation they will need if they are to lead the next government, just so that they can say they ran a candidate for the Aras?
You can argue all you want that they should have willyfully jeopardised their changes of leading the next government by running their own candidate for a meaningless office, but its beyond daft to deny that it would have been tactically crazy.
And as I previously stated, having a non-SF candidate loudly and enthusiastically speaking out for Irish reunification is undeniably in their interest as it allows them to argue that there is an increasing momentum for a border poll.
Clearly you don't like them, and clearly you don't like the decision they came to, but that shouldn't mean you can't admit that for them, it was the tactically right and obvious decision.
Political anorak Prof. David McCann said it on BBC talkback long before SF announced their endorsement of Connolly, that there was no chance of them running their own candidate, for the very same reasons I've stated above. The only surprise was that it took them so long to announce it.
As I said if it was such a tactical master stroke why did it take them 2 months to realise it?
If SF are Ireland's biggest party as you claim then it's strange they wouldn't seek to run for the office of Irish President.
If it's all been about lefty unity as you claim why have the Labour Party been sticking the boot into SF for not supporting Connolly from the start?
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/09/04/labour-accuses-sinn-fein-of-dithering-on-approach-to-presidential-election-campaign/
Speaking in Co Tipperary on Thursday at Labour's think-in, Ms Bacik said it was "extraordinary" and "bizarre" that Sinn Féin had not yet reached a decision on running its own candidate or supporting another.
She said the party was "sitting on the sidelines, effectively waiting to see what way the wind blows" and that she did not think leaving the decision so late was appropriate.
Gavin fucked up badly on Palestine. If you'd vote for him after that you'd want your head looked at.
Do any/many people decide their vote on TV debates?
Quote from: trileacman on September 30, 2025, 01:57:06 AMAs I said if it was such a tactical master stroke why did it take them 2 months to realise it?
I didn't say it was a "master stroke". I merely said it was tactically the obvious decision. I also agreed that it took them a long time to announce it, but by the same token, it was only just over a week past when FF selected their candidate.
Quote from: trileacman on September 30, 2025, 01:57:06 AMIf SF are Ireland's biggest party as you claim, then it's strange they wouldn't seek to run for the office of Irish President.
"If as I claim"? Its not an opinion, it's just called counting. And no, it's not strange. Not sure how many times I have to ask this, but why would they jeopardise the alliances they will rely on at the next general election, merely for a chance to run a candidate in a nothing election?
Quote from: trileacman on September 30, 2025, 01:57:06 AMIf it's all been about lefty unity as you claim why have the Labour Party been sticking the boot into SF for not supporting Connolly from the start?
Because she suspected they were reneaging on the co-operation that the left has been showing, perhaps? I mena, is that not kinda obvious answer?
And what do you mean by "if" it's about "lefty" unity? Are you trying to claim that the left has
not been forging a tighter alliance during this term of government? Because if you are going to deny that, then we're wasting our time trying to have an adult discussion. Any ideas why it might suit SF to have a united left?? I'll give you a hint....I've stated the reason repeatedly in the last few posts.
Or maybe it's that you aren't going to be brazen enough to suggest that the left haven't been forging a tighter alliance, but you were under the impression that when politcal parties with vaguely similar beliefs try to work more closely together, they aren't allowed to criticise eachother
at all, which would be a very naive understanding of how politics works.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 30, 2025, 09:28:52 AMDo any/many people decide their vote on TV debates?
You might want to read up about a fella called Seán Gallagher.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 30, 2025, 09:28:52 AMDo any/many people decide their vote on TV debates?
Ask Gallagher.
I think in this instance yes. Will Connolly play the game or grandstand? Will Humphrey's lose her temper? What does Gavin stand for?
Quote from: trileacman on September 29, 2025, 11:06:04 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 29, 2025, 10:55:17 PMQuote from: Substandard on September 29, 2025, 09:17:28 PMLooking at both sides of the argument, the role of President is representative. Steen didn't meet the criteria through the Oireachtas or the Council routes, so that's fair enough.
It feels like it was skewed by the whip system, given the express instruction by Fine Gael to block nominations. I get the logic of why would you facilitate an opponent of your own candidate, but if these councillors could either support a candidate if they felt it reflected the views of a significant cohort of their constituency, or abstain in the event of a vote, then it would be more likely a candidate would fulfil the criteria. It still would require the numbers, and that mathematically would prevent a ludicrous number of candidates qualifying.
The sense of injustice, if you like, is that the mainstream parties pulled up the drawbridge behind them to virtually guarantee nobody else would be in the running.
That's as I see it, but I could be wrong, or missing some point, or just plain misinformed.
Steen would easily have gotten 4 councils. But she simply wasn't arsed going down the sticks and putting in the hard yards. She let Toibin do the running in the Oireachtas, only showing up when it was clear she was cooked. Turns out Iona don't have all that much juice
I agree 3 isn't ideal, but the majority of the independents this time were absolute vermin. The question is where were the centrist candidates that would have gotten nominations this time?
If getting councils is so easy why didn't Sheridan get their support despite courting them for a year?
I don't know where the centrist candidates where but probably they correctly identified that it was impossible to get on the ballot without the support of the 4 main Dail parties?
We still have no idea who Sheridan is. He was a random candidate.
I mean more where were the charity ceo's and known businesses types. They never struggled to get nominated before. The system hasn't changed, just the caliber of nutter was different this time
Quote from: Snapchap on September 30, 2025, 09:48:00 AMQuote from: Rossfan on September 30, 2025, 09:28:52 AMDo any/many people decide their vote on TV debates?
You might want to read up about a fella called Seán Gallagher.
Nick the wab Clegg got into a coalition based on his TV debate.
It was a poor debate by any standards. They spent plenty of time on Gaza for example, where a Irish President has no sway over.
It confirmed that Gavin's wooden persona when Dublin manager was not a mask for a brilliant performer behind closed doors.
Humphreys was generally safe and equally uninteresting.
Connolly probably had the best night. She managed to steer clear of her weak points, like her trip to Syria and her implied blaming of the West for the Ukraine invasion. I don't recall her using the term 'Nato' at all, which is a change of gear. She replaced this with continual use of 'Military Industrial Complex'. While it is tinfoil hat fodder, it's a quite unspecific label.
Jim Gavin was dreadful in that debate, what am I doing here vibes off him.
QuoteJim Gavin was dreadful in that debate, what am I doing here vibes off him.
I only caught a few minutes , and in that time , Jim Gavin nearly sent me to sleep . He is so far out of his depth , it's scary
If he has a disaster vote will MM's leadership of FF become an issue?
Quote from: Rossfan on September 30, 2025, 01:10:34 PMIf he has a disaster vote will MM's leadership of FF become an issue?
Definitely. Given that they stepped over a 30-year FF politician to parachute in Gavin you would have to question the selection.
Kelleher was a seasoned debater and political speaker. It seems to be quite obvious that even a bog-standard MEP is better at the cut and thrust of politics than a very high profile GAA manager and apparatchik.
Quote from: Snapchap on September 30, 2025, 09:45:57 AMQuote from: trileacman on September 30, 2025, 01:57:06 AMAs I said if it was such a tactical master stroke why did it take them 2 months to realise it?
I didn't say it was a "master stroke". I merely said it was tactically the obvious decision. I also agreed that it took them a long time to announce it, but by the same token, it was only just over a week past when FF selected their candidate.
Quote from: trileacman on September 30, 2025, 01:57:06 AMIf SF are Ireland's biggest party as you claim, then it's strange they wouldn't seek to run for the office of Irish President.
"If as I claim"? Its not an opinion, it's just called counting. And no, it's not strange. Not sure how many times I have to ask this, but why would they jeopardise the alliances they will rely on at the next general election, merely for a chance to run a candidate in a nothing election?
Quote from: trileacman on September 30, 2025, 01:57:06 AMIf it's all been about lefty unity as you claim why have the Labour Party been sticking the boot into SF for not supporting Connolly from the start?
Because she suspected they were reneaging on the co-operation that the left has been showing, perhaps? I mena, is that not kinda obvious answer?
And what do you mean by "if" it's about "lefty" unity? Are you trying to claim that the left has not been forging a tighter alliance during this term of government? Because if you are going to deny that, then we're wasting our time trying to have an adult discussion. Any ideas why it might suit SF to have a united left?? I'll give you a hint....I've stated the reason repeatedly in the last few posts.
Or maybe it's that you aren't going to be brazen enough to suggest that the left haven't been forging a tighter alliance, but you were under the impression that when politcal parties with vaguely similar beliefs try to work more closely together, they aren't allowed to criticise eachother at all, which would be a very naive understanding of how politics works.
Bar supporting Connolly as president I haven't seen any evidence so far of the left working together since the election. And even at that SF had to be drag in at the 11th hour.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 30, 2025, 01:10:34 PMIf he has a disaster vote will MM's leadership of FF become an issue?
Not immediately but it will start the rumblings. He has FF entirely stitched up, no factions. But parachuting in a celebrity candidate that loses will obviously cause a murmur
Quote from: trileacman on September 30, 2025, 02:10:25 PMQuote from: Snapchap on September 30, 2025, 09:45:57 AMQuote from: trileacman on September 30, 2025, 01:57:06 AMAs I said if it was such a tactical master stroke why did it take them 2 months to realise it?
I didn't say it was a "master stroke". I merely said it was tactically the obvious decision. I also agreed that it took them a long time to announce it, but by the same token, it was only just over a week past when FF selected their candidate.
Quote from: trileacman on September 30, 2025, 01:57:06 AMIf SF are Ireland's biggest party as you claim, then it's strange they wouldn't seek to run for the office of Irish President.
"If as I claim"? Its not an opinion, it's just called counting. And no, it's not strange. Not sure how many times I have to ask this, but why would they jeopardise the alliances they will rely on at the next general election, merely for a chance to run a candidate in a nothing election?
Quote from: trileacman on September 30, 2025, 01:57:06 AMIf it's all been about lefty unity as you claim why have the Labour Party been sticking the boot into SF for not supporting Connolly from the start?
Because she suspected they were reneaging on the co-operation that the left has been showing, perhaps? I mena, is that not kinda obvious answer?
And what do you mean by "if" it's about "lefty" unity? Are you trying to claim that the left has not been forging a tighter alliance during this term of government? Because if you are going to deny that, then we're wasting our time trying to have an adult discussion. Any ideas why it might suit SF to have a united left?? I'll give you a hint....I've stated the reason repeatedly in the last few posts.
Or maybe it's that you aren't going to be brazen enough to suggest that the left haven't been forging a tighter alliance, but you were under the impression that when politcal parties with vaguely similar beliefs try to work more closely together, they aren't allowed to criticise eachother at all, which would be a very naive understanding of how politics works.
Bar supporting Connolly as president I haven't seen any evidence so far of the left working together since the election. And even at that SF had to be drag in at the 11th hour.
Really? Maybe you've forgotten the united front they presented around long running speaking rights debacle? The co-signing of motions on issues like Gaza, on childrens assessment of needs etc. They have spoken as one on their opposition to the removal of the triple lock, appeared togher at housing rallys, had their party leaders hold joing press conferences on the Dáíl plinth. Where have you had your head buried?!
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/12/20/left-wing-parties-planning-structured-co-operation-in-dail/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/12/20/left-wing-parties-planning-structured-co-operation-in-dail/)
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/05/17/combining-forces-opposition-plans-to-break-the-big-twos-stranglehold-on-power-begin-to-germinate/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/05/17/combining-forces-opposition-plans-to-break-the-big-twos-stranglehold-on-power-begin-to-germinate/)
Quote from: Rossfan on September 26, 2025, 12:47:27 PMNot into betting myself but current odds
Boylesports
HH 11/8. JG 13/8. CC 5/2.
Paddypower
HH 5/4. JG 15/8. CC 5/2.
Latest
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HH 6/5
CC 11/8
JG 4/1
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HH 6/5
CC 5/4
JG 4/1
Micheal will be out the door if Gavin flops, which is looking increasingly likely.
A lot of the party faithful will resent a parachute candidate coming...and possibly losing badly.
Connolly still insists on saying 'the Ukraine' as she did the other night. Could someone have a word with her? :o
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 01, 2025, 11:26:15 AMConnolly still insists on saying 'the Ukraine' as she did the other night. Could someone have a word with her? :o
Complete disrespect to the Ukrainian people from this tankie ignoramus.
You would think an interviewer would do their job correctly and call her out on it.
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 01, 2025, 11:26:15 AMConnolly still insists on saying 'the Ukraine' as she did the other night. Could someone have a word with her? :o
Where did that term come from?
I know around here we'd say the Grange (club outside Armagh heading for Tyrone) not too far from "the Moy"
I'd never hear anyone say Moy or Grange in conversation, just wouldn't sound right
Was always referred to as "The Ukraine"
Seems that was disrespectful (possibly Russian terminology) so "Ukraine" used especially since 2002 invasion.
If that's Connolly's biggest fault she'll be grand.
If voting reflects the Bookies odds will Gavin even get 20%??
Has there been an opinion poll since the field was reduced to 3?
Quote from: Rossfan on October 01, 2025, 12:06:49 PMWas always referred to as "The Ukraine"
Seems that was disrespectful (possibly Russian terminology) so "Ukraine" used especially since 2002 invasion.
If that's Connolly's biggest fault she'll be grand.
If voting reflects the Bookies odds will Gavin even get 20%??
A wannabe president of Ireland continuously uses a term that is insulting and disrespectful to a fellow European country of 40M people.
She has probably been advised that the term is an anachronism and an insult to Ukrainian sovereignty.
She is an embarrassment.
"Stop being disrespectful, TANKIE!"
Calling it "The Ukraine" is harmless enough. But like calling Ireland The British Isles. People don't mean we are still part of Britain, just that the term has been around a good bit now at this stage. The elderly in particular who used to do "spot the ball" in the English papers would be used to competition rules stating only open to those living in the British Isles., unless it said everyone in British Isles except those living in Eire.
ps - I am being sarcastic.
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 01, 2025, 11:26:15 AMConnolly still insists on saying 'the Ukraine' as she did the other night. Could someone have a word with her? :o
Odd argument as both the Ukrainian and Russian languages have no definite or indefinite articles.
Quote from: weareros on October 01, 2025, 02:03:07 PMCalling it "The Ukraine" is harmless enough. But like calling Ireland The British Isles. People don't mean we are still part of Britain, just that the term has been around a good bit now at this stage. The elderly in particular who used to do "spot the ball" in the English papers would be used to competition rules stating only open to those living in the British Isles.
ps - I am being sarcastic.
It's harmless enough to the Irish of course but a total insult to Ukrainians.
She wants to be president of Ireland but is incapable of calling a European country by its proper name.
She's not fit for the job.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 01, 2025, 02:25:33 PMQuote from: weareros on October 01, 2025, 02:03:07 PMCalling it "The Ukraine" is harmless enough. But like calling Ireland The British Isles. People don't mean we are still part of Britain, just that the term has been around a good bit now at this stage. The elderly in particular who used to do "spot the ball" in the English papers would be used to competition rules stating only open to those living in the British Isles.
ps - I am being sarcastic.
It's harmless enough to the Irish of course but a total insult to Ukrainians.
She wants to be president of Ireland but is incapable of calling a European country by its proper name.
She's not fit for the job.
who cares what she calls the ukraine/ukraine.
Ukrainians hsve other things to think about.
Ukraine means border so the ukraine made sense.
Quote from: seafoid on October 01, 2025, 02:29:19 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 01, 2025, 02:25:33 PMQuote from: weareros on October 01, 2025, 02:03:07 PMCalling it "The Ukraine" is harmless enough. But like calling Ireland The British Isles. People don't mean we are still part of Britain, just that the term has been around a good bit now at this stage. The elderly in particular who used to do "spot the ball" in the English papers would be used to competition rules stating only open to those living in the British Isles.
ps - I am being sarcastic.
It's harmless enough to the Irish of course but a total insult to Ukrainians.
She wants to be president of Ireland but is incapable of calling a European country by its proper name.
She's not fit for the job.
who cares what she calls the ukraine/ukraine.
Ukrainians hsve other things to think about.
Ukraine means border so the ukraine made sense.
I care, many people care and Ukrainians definitely care.
You've obviously never asked a single Ukrainian their opinion on the matter.
The etymology of 'Ukraine' is disputed.
If it's such a non-issue perhaps an aspiring president of Ireland would choose the non-controversial non-insulting option, but that's too much for Catherine Connolly apparently.
Putin's invasion has changed the face of the Ukraine we used to know.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 01, 2025, 02:37:39 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 01, 2025, 02:29:19 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 01, 2025, 02:25:33 PMQuote from: weareros on October 01, 2025, 02:03:07 PMCalling it "The Ukraine" is harmless enough. But like calling Ireland The British Isles. People don't mean we are still part of Britain, just that the term has been around a good bit now at this stage. The elderly in particular who used to do "spot the ball" in the English papers would be used to competition rules stating only open to those living in the British Isles.
ps - I am being sarcastic.
It's harmless enough to the Irish of course but a total insult to Ukrainians.
She wants to be president of Ireland but is incapable of calling a European country by its proper name.
She's not fit for the job.
who cares what she calls the ukraine/ukraine.
Ukrainians hsve other things to think about.
Ukraine means border so the ukraine made sense.
I care, many people care and Ukrainians definitely care.
You've obviously never asked a single Ukrainian their opinion on the matter.
The etymology of 'Ukraine' is disputed.
If it's such a non-issue perhaps an aspiring president of Ireland would choose the non-controversial non-insulting option, but that's too much for Catherine Connolly apparently.
People get away scot free with using "The Holylands" to refer to a student area in Belfast.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 01, 2025, 02:37:39 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 01, 2025, 02:29:19 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 01, 2025, 02:25:33 PMQuote from: weareros on October 01, 2025, 02:03:07 PMCalling it "The Ukraine" is harmless enough. But like calling Ireland The British Isles. People don't mean we are still part of Britain, just that the term has been around a good bit now at this stage. The elderly in particular who used to do "spot the ball" in the English papers would be used to competition rules stating only open to those living in the British Isles.
ps - I am being sarcastic.
It's harmless enough to the Irish of course but a total insult to Ukrainians.
She wants to be president of Ireland but is incapable of calling a European country by its proper name.
She's not fit for the job.
who cares what she calls the ukraine/ukraine.
Ukrainians hsve other things to think about.
Ukraine means border so the ukraine made sense.
I care, many people care and Ukrainians definitely care.
You've obviously never asked a single Ukrainian their opinion on the matter.
The etymology of 'Ukraine' is disputed.
If it's such a non-issue perhaps an aspiring president of Ireland would choose the non-controversial non-insulting option, but that's too much for Catherine Connolly apparently.
Krajina in croatia has the same root. It was on the border between the Austrian and the Ottoman Empires. Krajina means border. U krajina probably means the border.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 01, 2025, 11:47:30 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 01, 2025, 11:26:15 AMConnolly still insists on saying 'the Ukraine' as she did the other night. Could someone have a word with her? :o
Complete disrespect to the Ukrainian people from this tankie ignoramus.
You would think an interviewer would do their job correctly and call her out on it.
antita
Quote from: Pub Bore on October 01, 2025, 02:42:04 PMPutin's invasion has changed the face of the Ukraine we used to know.
Catherine Connolly: Putin's invasion has changed the face of the the Ukraine we used to know.
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 01, 2025, 03:06:57 PMQuote from: Pub Bore on October 01, 2025, 02:42:04 PMPutin's invasion has changed the face of the Ukraine we used to know.
Catherine Connolly: Putin's invasion has changed the face of the the Ukraine we used to know.
;D
Quote from: seafoid on October 01, 2025, 02:46:29 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 01, 2025, 02:37:39 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 01, 2025, 02:29:19 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 01, 2025, 02:25:33 PMQuote from: weareros on October 01, 2025, 02:03:07 PMCalling it "The Ukraine" is harmless enough. But like calling Ireland The British Isles. People don't mean we are still part of Britain, just that the term has been around a good bit now at this stage. The elderly in particular who used to do "spot the ball" in the English papers would be used to competition rules stating only open to those living in the British Isles.
ps - I am being sarcastic.
It's harmless enough to the Irish of course but a total insult to Ukrainians.
She wants to be president of Ireland but is incapable of calling a European country by its proper name.
She's not fit for the job.
who cares what she calls the ukraine/ukraine.
Ukrainians hsve other things to think about.
Ukraine means border so the ukraine made sense.
I care, many people care and Ukrainians definitely care.
You've obviously never asked a single Ukrainian their opinion on the matter.
The etymology of 'Ukraine' is disputed.
If it's such a non-issue perhaps an aspiring president of Ireland would choose the non-controversial non-insulting option, but that's too much for Catherine Connolly apparently.
Krajina in croatia has the same root. It was on the border between the Austrian and the Ottoman Empires. Krajina means border. U krajina probably means the border.
Krajina has different interpretations.
'U' or rather 'У' does not mean 'the'. As mentioned already there is no definite article in Ukrainian.
So, can any fans tell me why aspiring President of Ireland Catherine Connolly insists on using the disrespectful, insulting and controversial anachronism, 'the Ukraine'?
It's probably an old age thing for Connolly. My dad still says Peking and Bombay.
Quote from: Lamps on October 01, 2025, 03:20:59 PMIt's probably an old age thing for Connolly. My dad still says Peking and Bombay.
My father used the term "Free State" for his entire life, that's what it was called when he was growing up.
Quote from: Lamps on October 01, 2025, 03:20:59 PMIt's probably an old age thing for Connolly. My dad still says Peking and Bombay.
Yeah sounds likely, I highly doubt theres any more to it than that and if she was corrected I'd say she'd just say Ukraine.
Am I the only one who always called the capital Kiev up until the 2022 invasion when it started hitting the news again as Kyiv?
Quote from: Pub Bore on October 01, 2025, 03:27:38 PMQuote from: Lamps on October 01, 2025, 03:20:59 PMIt's probably an old age thing for Connolly. My dad still says Peking and Bombay.
My father used the term "Free State" for his entire life, that's what it was called when he was growing up.
And you'd be called out for using any of those terms in a presidential debate. And rightly so.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 01, 2025, 04:02:46 PMQuote from: Pub Bore on October 01, 2025, 03:27:38 PMQuote from: Lamps on October 01, 2025, 03:20:59 PMIt's probably an old age thing for Connolly. My dad still says Peking and Bombay.
My father used the term "Free State" for his entire life, that's what it was called when he was growing up.
And you'd be called out for using any of those terms in a presidential debate. And rightly so.
Hope none of them start talking about Bayern Munich...
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 01, 2025, 03:17:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 01, 2025, 02:46:29 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 01, 2025, 02:37:39 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 01, 2025, 02:29:19 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 01, 2025, 02:25:33 PMQuote from: weareros on October 01, 2025, 02:03:07 PMCalling it "The Ukraine" is harmless enough. But like calling Ireland The British Isles. People don't mean we are still part of Britain, just that the term has been around a good bit now at this stage. The elderly in particular who used to do "spot the ball" in the English papers would be used to competition rules stating only open to those living in the British Isles.
ps - I am being sarcastic.
It's harmless enough to the Irish of course but a total insult to Ukrainians.
She wants to be president of Ireland but is incapable of calling a European country by its proper name.
She's not fit for the job.
who cares what she calls the ukraine/ukraine.
Ukrainians hsve other things to think about.
Ukraine means border so the ukraine made sense.
I care, many people care and Ukrainians definitely care.
You've obviously never asked a single Ukrainian their opinion on the matter.
The etymology of 'Ukraine' is disputed.
If it's such a non-issue perhaps an aspiring president of Ireland would choose the non-controversial non-insulting option, but that's too much for Catherine Connolly apparently.
Krajina in croatia has the same root. It was on the border between the Austrian and the Ottoman Empires. Krajina means border. U krajina probably means the border.
Krajina has different interpretations.
'U' or rather 'У' does not mean 'the'. As mentioned already there is no definite article in Ukrainian.
So, can any fans tell me why aspiring President of Ireland Catherine Connolly insists on using the disrespectful, insulting and controversial anachronism, 'the Ukraine'?
Do Ukrainians also get upset about disrespectful, insulting and controversial anachronism spelling of the leader's surname with only one 1 y?
Zelensky when it's Zelenskyy
Quote from: seafoid on October 01, 2025, 04:23:39 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 01, 2025, 03:17:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 01, 2025, 02:46:29 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 01, 2025, 02:37:39 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 01, 2025, 02:29:19 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 01, 2025, 02:25:33 PMQuote from: weareros on October 01, 2025, 02:03:07 PMCalling it "The Ukraine" is harmless enough. But like calling Ireland The British Isles. People don't mean we are still part of Britain, just that the term has been around a good bit now at this stage. The elderly in particular who used to do "spot the ball" in the English papers would be used to competition rules stating only open to those living in the British Isles.
ps - I am being sarcastic.
It's harmless enough to the Irish of course but a total insult to Ukrainians.
She wants to be president of Ireland but is incapable of calling a European country by its proper name.
She's not fit for the job.
who cares what she calls the ukraine/ukraine.
Ukrainians hsve other things to think about.
Ukraine means border so the ukraine made sense.
I care, many people care and Ukrainians definitely care.
You've obviously never asked a single Ukrainian their opinion on the matter.
The etymology of 'Ukraine' is disputed.
If it's such a non-issue perhaps an aspiring president of Ireland would choose the non-controversial non-insulting option, but that's too much for Catherine Connolly apparently.
Krajina in croatia has the same root. It was on the border between the Austrian and the Ottoman Empires. Krajina means border. U krajina probably means the border.
Krajina has different interpretations.
'U' or rather 'У' does not mean 'the'. As mentioned already there is no definite article in Ukrainian.
So, can any fans tell me why aspiring President of Ireland Catherine Connolly insists on using the disrespectful, insulting and controversial anachronism, 'the Ukraine'?
Do Ukrainians also get upset about disrespectful, insulting and controversial anachronism spelling of the leader's surname with only one 1 y?
Zelensky when it's Zelenskyy
I've seen 'Зеленський' romanised in a few different ways - I have never heard any Ukranian friends express any upset regarding the matter.
Why do you ask?
Quote from: Pub Bore on October 01, 2025, 03:27:38 PMQuote from: Lamps on October 01, 2025, 03:20:59 PMIt's probably an old age thing for Connolly. My dad still says Peking and Bombay.
My father used the term "Free State" for his entire life, that's what it was called when he was growing up.
I've heard the older generation many a time say "he worked like a black" and "darkies". It was just part of the times they grew up in. They didn't use it with any intentional harm.
Sure, how many times did we use the 'eeny meeny miney moe' riddle without really knowing what we were saying.
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 01, 2025, 06:23:05 PMQuote from: Pub Bore on October 01, 2025, 03:27:38 PMQuote from: Lamps on October 01, 2025, 03:20:59 PMIt's probably an old age thing for Connolly. My dad still says Peking and Bombay.
My father used the term "Free State" for his entire life, that's what it was called when he was growing up.
I've heard the older generation many a time say "he worked like a black" and "darkies". It was just part of the times they grew up in. They didn't use it with any intentional harm.
Sure, how many times did we use the 'eeny meeny miney moe' riddle without really knowing what we were saying.
The things that Ireland's foremost diplomat should be getting right. A 90 year old granny gets a pass on such matters, not the President.
Two pages of this sh1te
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 01, 2025, 06:23:05 PMQuote from: Pub Bore on October 01, 2025, 03:27:38 PMQuote from: Lamps on October 01, 2025, 03:20:59 PMIt's probably an old age thing for Connolly. My dad still says Peking and Bombay.
My father used the term "Free State" for his entire life, that's what it was called when he was growing up.
I've heard the older generation many a time say "he worked like a black" and "darkies". It was just part of the times they grew up in. They didn't use it with any intentional harm.
Sure, how many times did we use the 'eeny meeny miney moe' riddle without really knowing what we were saying.
Not many used these terms while running for President.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 01, 2025, 09:03:05 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on October 01, 2025, 06:23:05 PMQuote from: Pub Bore on October 01, 2025, 03:27:38 PMQuote from: Lamps on October 01, 2025, 03:20:59 PMIt's probably an old age thing for Connolly. My dad still says Peking and Bombay.
My father used the term "Free State" for his entire life, that's what it was called when he was growing up.
I've heard the older generation many a time say "he worked like a black" and "darkies". It was just part of the times they grew up in. They didn't use it with any intentional harm.
Sure, how many times did we use the 'eeny meeny miney moe' riddle without really knowing what we were saying.
Not many used these terms while running for President.
Is it that big a deal that it needs pages of discussion?
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 01, 2025, 09:59:14 PMQuote from: armaghniac on October 01, 2025, 09:03:05 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on October 01, 2025, 06:23:05 PMQuote from: Pub Bore on October 01, 2025, 03:27:38 PMQuote from: Lamps on October 01, 2025, 03:20:59 PMIt's probably an old age thing for Connolly. My dad still says Peking and Bombay.
My father used the term "Free State" for his entire life, that's what it was called when he was growing up.
I've heard the older generation many a time say "he worked like a black" and "darkies". It was just part of the times they grew up in. They didn't use it with any intentional harm.
Sure, how many times did we use the 'eeny meeny miney moe' riddle without really knowing what we were saying.
Not many used these terms while running for President.
Is it that big a deal that it needs pages of discussion?
No, it doesn't need discussion, but some people seem to think that Connolly can say what she likes and still be a suitable President.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 01, 2025, 10:23:01 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 01, 2025, 09:59:14 PMQuote from: armaghniac on October 01, 2025, 09:03:05 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on October 01, 2025, 06:23:05 PMQuote from: Pub Bore on October 01, 2025, 03:27:38 PMQuote from: Lamps on October 01, 2025, 03:20:59 PMIt's probably an old age thing for Connolly. My dad still says Peking and Bombay.
My father used the term "Free State" for his entire life, that's what it was called when he was growing up.
I've heard the older generation many a time say "he worked like a black" and "darkies". It was just part of the times they grew up in. They didn't use it with any intentional harm.
Sure, how many times did we use the 'eeny meeny miney moe' riddle without really knowing what we were saying.
Not many used these terms while running for President.
Is it that big a deal that it needs pages of discussion?
No, it doesn't need discussion, but some people seem to think that Connolly can say what she likes and still be a suitable President.
The bookies favourite, Heather Humphries (the Thatcherite who sought to cut disability payments and hoped to force all disabled people go through a mandatory medical examination to test their fitness for work) once told a journalist who had the utter temerity to challenge her on her failure to seek planning permission on two derelict buildings to "f**k off and leave me alone".
But yes, how dare Catherine Connolly say "The Ukraine" and still think she could be in public office. She ought to be locked up and the key thrown away.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 01, 2025, 10:23:01 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 01, 2025, 09:59:14 PMQuote from: armaghniac on October 01, 2025, 09:03:05 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on October 01, 2025, 06:23:05 PMQuote from: Pub Bore on October 01, 2025, 03:27:38 PMQuote from: Lamps on October 01, 2025, 03:20:59 PMIt's probably an old age thing for Connolly. My dad still says Peking and Bombay.
My father used the term "Free State" for his entire life, that's what it was called when he was growing up.
I've heard the older generation many a time say "he worked like a black" and "darkies". It was just part of the times they grew up in. They didn't use it with any intentional harm.
Sure, how many times did we use the 'eeny meeny miney moe' riddle without really knowing what we were saying.
Not many used these terms while running for President.
Is it that big a deal that it needs pages of discussion?
No, it doesn't need discussion, but some people seem to think that Connolly can say what she likes and still be a suitable President.
She seems a decent choice. Few examples of what she is getting a light touch with bar the 'the Ukraine' Tankomatopoeia?
Catherine Connolly should keep her inner Basil Fawlty under wraps
Parties backing Connolly for president might remind her that accusing our EU allies of being proto-fascist warmongers is not a winning electoral strategy
It is a bad idea for a would-be president of Ireland to tell a country that has proved itself a vital ally that it is looking a bit Nazi.
Fintan O'Toole
Tue Sept 30 2025 - 06:00
Before we talk about Catherine Connolly's startling comparison of Germany's current increases in military spending to its massive rearmament under the Nazis in the 1930s, let's go back to much more recent history.
In 2018 and 2019, Ireland was facing a profound crisis. The Brexiteers were trying to reimpose a hard border between the two parts of the island. It was not alarmist to fear that this could set off a chain of events that would plunge us back into the violence we had so recently escaped.
Why did the Brexiteers think they could get away with this recklessness? In a word: Germany. They were convinced that, in the final throes of deal-making, the Germans would sacrifice Ireland's national interests to those of their own car industry.
It was the realpolitik of power. The big countries would follow their own interests – little Ireland would not count. The Germans would pat us on the head and tell us that they had tried their best to protect us but, in the end, the BMW that really mattered was not the Border Midlands West region of this marginal island.
It was far from certain that the Brexiteers were wrong. For what, if it came to it, could we do? We could weep and wail and gnash our teeth and cry betrayal. We could ask Irish America to put pressure on the White House to put pressure on the Brits – but the White House was occupied by Donald Trump. His grasp on the situation is revealed (in his new memoir Speaking My Mind) by then-Taoiseach Leo Varadkar: "I think it will all work out very well, and also for you with your wall, your border ... we have a border situation in the US and you have one over here, but I hear it's going to work out very well ..."
What happened instead is that Germany offered Ireland what then minister for foreign affairs Simon Coveney called "unambiguous solidarity". There was never, to my knowledge, a single moment throughout this crisis when Germany didn't have Ireland's back. The Germans were consistent and unequivocal: there would not be a hard Border and Ireland would not be bullied or isolated.
I have vivid memories of turning up at Dublin Castle in January 2019 to say a few words at the big annual gathering of Irish ambassadors and diplomats. The first speaker was the then German foreign minister Heiko Maas. His speech was remarkable and, I have to admit, very moving. Maas said that "a hard Border dividing the Irish island is unacceptable and yes, some people called us stubborn." But this was "a fundamental concern," "a matter of principle" and "a question of identity" – not just for Ireland but for the European Union and indeed for Germany itself.
Why was this so emotionally potent? Because it meant that for the first time in the entire history of conflicts between Britain and Ireland, Ireland was on the stronger side. Ireland was not little – it was part of an alliance far bigger than a benighted and chaotic Britain. Unambiguous solidarity gave us power.
This was about the Border but it was also about something even more fundamental: Irish independence. For any nation, but especially for a small one, being independent means being able to make international alliances that will not only advance your national interests, but protect you from being bullied by those who want to do you harm. In 2018 and 2019, the faction that had come to power in Britain wanted to do us serious harm – what the 1916 Proclamation called "our gallant allies in Europe" prevented it from doing so.
Which brings us to last week and the united left's candidate for the presidency, Catherine Connolly, telling students in UCD that the plan by the current German government to more than double its defence spending is comparable to the actions of the Hitler regime: "Seems to me, there are some parallels with the '30s."
There are three big things wrong with this and the first is that it is historically illiterate. Germany is planning to take its defence spending up to 3.5 per cent of GDP. In 1938, Germany's military expenditure was 17 per cent of GDP. In 1939, it was 40 per cent, and in 1943 60 per cent. A sense of proportion might come in handy here.
More importantly, the Nazi regime was a vile and vicious dictatorship that made no secret of its intent to use this military might to seize "lebensraum" from the territory of its neighbours. Germany now is a democracy embedded in the EU. Does anyone seriously believe that Germany is arming itself to invade Poland?
Second, European democracy faces threats from far-right forces on its eastern and western flanks. Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine is an expression of a fascistic imperialism explicitly aimed at re-establishing a Russian empire that incorporates or dominates several current EU states. Trump is equally explicit about his desire to destroy the EU, which he defines as the primary "foe" of the US.
Europe thus has no choice but to make itself strategically and militarily independent of the US. Otherwise it is impotent in the face of Russian aggression. Ukraine will fall and some of our EU allies (most obviously the Baltic States) will be next.
Third, it is a really bad idea for a would-be president of Ireland to tell a country that has so recently proved itself a vital ally that it is looking a bit Nazi. Germans are kind of sensitive to this stuff. If our president has an inner Basil Fawlty, it would be well to keep him very inner indeed.
If these facts are not sufficiently persuasive, the parties backing Catherine Connolly might remind her that accusing our EU allies of being proto-fascist warmongers is not a winning electoral strategy. Most voters know that the EU is the safest place we can be in a dangerous world.
I seen Fintan O'Toole - and i read no further. And I'd say I'm all the better for it.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 01, 2025, 11:21:28 PMI seen Fintan O'Toole - and i read no further. And I'd say I'm all the better for it.
Do you agree with Connolly's Nazi comparison in response to Germany beefing up defence spending?
Dudnt see it, She bother to criticise Putin by chance, as the cause of the world thing?
Germany could be in serious trouble , it's interesting how history turns and deeds done when the going is good become a total liability when times get tough.
Anyone comparing to the 1930s is of course a simpleton.
Quote from: DaleCooper on October 01, 2025, 11:56:29 PMGermany could be in serious trouble , it's interesting how history turns and deeds done when the going is good become a total liability when times get tough.
Anyone comparing to the 1930s is of course a simpleton.
The present Polish president is looking for €1bn compensation. Adjusting for the bigger size of Poland and the fact that they were occupied for 5 years and we were occupied for 850 years, then we should be due €24Bn from England.
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 01, 2025, 06:23:05 PMQuote from: Pub Bore on October 01, 2025, 03:27:38 PMQuote from: Lamps on October 01, 2025, 03:20:59 PMIt's probably an old age thing for Connolly. My dad still says Peking and Bombay.
My father used the term "Free State" for his entire life, that's what it was called when he was growing up.
I've heard the older generation many a time say "he worked like a black" and "darkies". It was just part of the times they grew up in. They didn't use it with any intentional harm.
Sure, how many times did we use the 'eeny meeny miney moe' riddle without really knowing what we were saying.
I'm nearly 40 years old. My parents are nearly 80. When I grew up eeny meeny was done with a tiger, not an n word.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 01, 2025, 11:21:28 PMI seen Fintan O'Toole - and i read no further. And I'd say I'm all the better for it.
Me too- glad I saw the name at the start.
German rearmament is the very reluctant end result of two decades of utter foolishness in their foreign policy towards Russia.
Even after Georgia 2008 and Ukraine 2014 they continued on the same path to disaster.
Schroeder is a traitor. Merkel was a fool. Scholz was a coward. Merz appears to recognise the danger and knows what needs to be done.
As for Connolly's 1930s Nazi take, Dale is correct. A simpleton.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 02, 2025, 06:59:56 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 01, 2025, 11:21:28 PMI seen Fintan O'Toole - and i read no further. And I'd say I'm all the better for it.
Me too- glad I saw the name at the start.
Probably a bit long for you to read as well in fairness.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 02, 2025, 06:59:56 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 01, 2025, 11:21:28 PMI seen Fintan O'Toole - and i read no further. And I'd say I'm all the better for it.
Me too- glad I saw the name at the start.
Imagine - you both might have read something that would have challenged your opinion on something but you recognised the danger just in time. Phew!
Quote from: gallsman on October 02, 2025, 07:29:21 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 02, 2025, 06:59:56 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 01, 2025, 11:21:28 PMI seen Fintan O'Toole - and i read no further. And I'd say I'm all the better for it.
Me too- glad I saw the name at the start.
Probably a bit long for you to read as well in fairness.
:D.
Didn't even have pictures or anything!
Merz invited a wanted war criminal to Germany. There is a growing far right AFD, they support the Israeli genocide of Palestinians, second only to the US is weapons support for Israeli. After a temp pause, they restarted arming the genocide, don't support the European governments calling for action against Irsael.
they have cracked down on protests and freedoms, violating attacking protesters only allowing german/english at protests, banned kneecap concerts and recently assault an Irish women protesting.
Von der genocide and barebock (bombing hospitals is ok) are leading Germans in the EU and UN..
no echos of 1930s, they came for someone first
Germany's record on Gaza is appalling.
Their increase in defence spending is due to the threat from Russia.
The AfD is pro-Russian, no surprise there.
Connolly's comparison to 1930s Germany is still ridiculous.
Ok, so let's ignore the comparsions with 1930s, growing far right and curtailing freedoms etc. throw in potential economic conditions changing due to taeiff, let's ignore Gaza as usual as it doesn't suit you, maybe if the Russians were arming Israel you'd and dogshite would give a shit.
never again! and the germans are arming a genocide... they need a big mirror held up to them!!! maybe remind them of what they did in Namibia too...
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 02, 2025, 09:39:46 AMOk, so let's ignore the comparsions with 1930s, growing far right and curtailing freedoms etc. throw in potential economic conditions changing due to taeiff, let's ignore Gaza as usual as it doesn't suit you, maybe if the Russians were arming Israel you'd and dogshite would give a shit.
never again! and the germans are arming a genocide... they need a big mirror held up to them!!! maybe remind them of what they did in Namibia too...
The video of the German cop punching an innocent protestor in the face looked fairly 1930's style to me
Who is ignoring Gaza?
We were discussing Connolly's remarks about Germany's increased defence spending. The reason for that is the increased threat from Russia.
Perhaps you think the Germans imagined the invasion of Ukraine, electronic jamming of aircraft over the Baltics, ripping up of sea cables, drones landing in Poland, Russian jets in Estonian airspace?
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 02, 2025, 09:50:20 AMWho is ignoring Gaza?
We were discussing Connolly's remarks about Germany's increased defence spending. The reason for that is the increased threat from Russia.
Perhaps you think the Germans imagined the invasion of Ukraine, electronic jamming of aircraft over the Baltics, ripping up of sea cables, drones landing in Poland, Russian jets in Estonian airspace?
Russia is flying drones into Denmark as well.
Quote from: seafoid on October 02, 2025, 10:13:23 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 02, 2025, 09:50:20 AMWho is ignoring Gaza?
We were discussing Connolly's remarks about Germany's increased defence spending. The reason for that is the increased threat from Russia.
Perhaps you think the Germans imagined the invasion of Ukraine, electronic jamming of aircraft over the Baltics, ripping up of sea cables, drones landing in Poland, Russian jets in Estonian airspace?
Russia is flying drones into Denmark as well.
Nato is the threat and not Russia according to Kremlin Catherine.
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 02, 2025, 10:59:52 AMQuote from: seafoid on October 02, 2025, 10:13:23 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 02, 2025, 09:50:20 AMWho is ignoring Gaza?
We were discussing Connolly's remarks about Germany's increased defence spending. The reason for that is the increased threat from Russia.
Perhaps you think the Germans imagined the invasion of Ukraine, electronic jamming of aircraft over the Baltics, ripping up of sea cables, drones landing in Poland, Russian jets in Estonian airspace?
Russia is flying drones into Denmark as well.
Nato is the threat and not Russia according to Kremlin Catherine.
source please.. you can be critical of both, I would have thought.
Kremlin Catherine, Orange Heather and Bore You Rigid Jim. What a field!
Sinn Féin deputy leader Pearse Doherty has said he was "not aware" that counter-terrorism gardaí had intervened to stop Catherine Connolly from hiring a woman convicted of a gun crime to work in Leinster House.
The Journal reports that Ms Connolly sought to hire a woman as an administrative support in 2018 who had been sentenced to six years in jail in 2014 after being found guilty by the Special Criminal Court of unlawful possession of firearms and possession of ammunition.
Mr Doherty, whose party is among those backing Ms Connolly in her presidential bid, said he read the story this morning but that he is not concerned by it.
Speaking to RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Mr Doherty said he is "delighted" that his party is supporting Ms Connolly, who he described as a "fantastic candidate".
"You see the warmth, the genuineness and the authenticity that oozes from Catherine Connolly. In relation to that story, I read about that this morning, I'm not aware of it."
He said he assumes Ms Connolly will answer questions on the issue when she appears on RTÉ radio later this morning.
Asked whether he is "concerned" about the issue, he said: "That somebody applied to recruit an individual that went through the formal process and they dealt with everything appropriately? No."
Asked if he has any questions for Ms Connolly in the aftermath, Mr Doherty said: "She attempted to employ somebody who's highly qualified, went through the process and complied with the process. I don't think this is an issue, but I'm sure that Catherine Connolly will address any concerns that anybody may have.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 01, 2025, 10:23:01 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 01, 2025, 09:59:14 PMQuote from: armaghniac on October 01, 2025, 09:03:05 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on October 01, 2025, 06:23:05 PMQuote from: Pub Bore on October 01, 2025, 03:27:38 PMQuote from: Lamps on October 01, 2025, 03:20:59 PMIt's probably an old age thing for Connolly. My dad still says Peking and Bombay.
My father used the term "Free State" for his entire life, that's what it was called when he was growing up.
I've heard the older generation many a time say "he worked like a black" and "darkies". It was just part of the times they grew up in. They didn't use it with any intentional harm.
Sure, how many times did we use the 'eeny meeny miney moe' riddle without really knowing what we were saying.
Not many used these terms while running for President.
Is it that big a deal that it needs pages of discussion?
No, it doesn't need discussion, but some people seem to think that Connolly can say what she likes and still be a suitable President.
There is nitpicking and then there is this
Quote from: Rossfan on October 02, 2025, 11:48:17 AMSinn Féin deputy leader Pearse Doherty has said he was "not aware" that counter-terrorism gardaí had intervened to stop Catherine Connolly from hiring a woman convicted of a gun crime to work in Leinster House.
The Journal reports that Ms Connolly sought to hire a woman as an administrative support in 2018 who had been sentenced to six years in jail in 2014 after being found guilty by the Special Criminal Court of unlawful possession of firearms and possession of ammunition.
Mr Doherty, whose party is among those backing Ms Connolly in her presidential bid, said he read the story this morning but that he is not concerned by it.
Speaking to RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Mr Doherty said he is "delighted" that his party is supporting Ms Connolly, who he described as a "fantastic candidate".
"You see the warmth, the genuineness and the authenticity that oozes from Catherine Connolly. In relation to that story, I read about that this morning, I'm not aware of it."
He said he assumes Ms Connolly will answer questions on the issue when she appears on RTÉ radio later this morning.
Asked whether he is "concerned" about the issue, he said: "That somebody applied to recruit an individual that went through the formal process and they dealt with everything appropriately? No."
Asked if he has any questions for Ms Connolly in the aftermath, Mr Doherty said: "She attempted to employ somebody who's highly qualified, went through the process and complied with the process. I don't think this is an issue, but I'm sure that Catherine Connolly will address any concerns that anybody may have.
Why doesn't Catherine just follow Heather Humphrey's example and tell the journalist asking questions to "f**k off and leave me alone?"
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2025, 12:02:31 PMThere is nitpicking and then there is this
Nonsense. If one of them was to say "Northern Ireland" rather than "the north of Ireland" or "the six counties" half the lads on this board would be freaking out. Language matters.
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 02, 2025, 10:59:52 AMQuote from: seafoid on October 02, 2025, 10:13:23 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 02, 2025, 09:50:20 AMWho is ignoring Gaza?
We were discussing Connolly's remarks about Germany's increased defence spending. The reason for that is the increased threat from Russia.
Perhaps you think the Germans imagined the invasion of Ukraine, electronic jamming of aircraft over the Baltics, ripping up of sea cables, drones landing in Poland, Russian jets in Estonian airspace?
Russia is flying drones into Denmark as well.
Nato is the threat and not Russia according to Kremlin Catherine.
https://www.ft.com/content/0b351091-3f82-4f2f-bef2-a52a35f009f2
Last November, a distinctive blue and white vessel set sail from a secluded inlet of Russia's Kola Peninsula on a three-month voyage. The ship, seemingly a civilian craft, sailed around Norway, down the English Channel and up into the Irish Sea, before looping southwards to the Mediterranean and east towards Suez.
But this was no pleasure cruise of Europe's Atlantic coastline: Moscow's military spy ship Yantar, kitted with a full armoury of surveillance equipment, was on a mission to map and potentially intercept the undersea cables on which Nato allies rely for internet access, energy, military communications and financial transactions.
Even as Moscow tests Nato's responses with recent violations of airspace on Europe's eastern borders, Russia's less visible but similarly brazen undersea spying operations are causing increasing concern among European security and defence officials.
"[Yantar] is the tool Russia is using to somehow . . . keep us awake," one senior Nato commander said earlier this year. "She's following cable lines and pipelines, making stops. We are monitoring her very closely."
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025/07/21/number-of-russian-shadow-ships-in-irish-controlled-waters-rises-dramatically/
There has been a dramatic increase in the number of sanctioned Russian ships, known as shadow fleet vessels, sailing through Irish-controlled waters, an Irish Times investigation has found.
Nineteen of these vessels have been tracked passing through, or just outside, the Irish Economic Zone (EEZ) since May. Many of the ships have exhibited unusual behaviour such as taking economically inefficient routes or sailing well outside recognised shipping lanes.
The trend has caused the Defence Forces and Department of Transport to step up monitoring of these vessels as they pass Ireland on foot of environmental and national security concerns.
Quote from: gallsman on October 02, 2025, 12:35:22 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2025, 12:02:31 PMThere is nitpicking and then there is this
Nonsense. If one of them was to say "Northern Ireland" rather than "the north of Ireland" or "the six counties" half the lads on this board would be freaking out. Language matters.
To qoute yourself: "Nonsense".
A quick google throws up examples of each of the three candidates saying "Northern Ireland" in just the past week. Care to quote some of the posts from "half the lads on this board" who have been no doubt been "freaking out" about it?
Would the normal election threads have as many posts?
This is some amount of posts for a purely non entity position
You just know that we're a day or two away from "Connolly supports the 'RA"
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 02, 2025, 01:13:12 PMWould the normal election threads have as many posts?
This is some amount of posts for a purely non entity position
And one for which a lot of the posters can't, unfortunately, vote in.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 02, 2025, 01:13:12 PMWould the normal election threads have as many posts?
This is some amount of posts for a purely non entity position
A lot of interest in an election that has 3 terrible candidates.
Bertie, McGregor and Steen running would have been far better.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 01:10:01 PMQuote from: gallsman on October 02, 2025, 12:35:22 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2025, 12:02:31 PMThere is nitpicking and then there is this
Nonsense. If one of them was to say "Northern Ireland" rather than "the north of Ireland" or "the six counties" half the lads on this board would be freaking out. Language matters.
To qoute yourself: "Nonsense".
A quick google throws up examples of each of the three candidates saying "Northern Ireland" in just the past week. Care to quote some of the posts from "half the lads on this board" who have been no doubt been "freaking out" about it?
Do you want me to get you the OED definition of hyperbole? Or would you object because it has the word "English " in the title?
Grow up you absolute bore.
Quote from: gallsman on October 02, 2025, 01:43:53 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 01:10:01 PMQuote from: gallsman on October 02, 2025, 12:35:22 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2025, 12:02:31 PMThere is nitpicking and then there is this
Nonsense. If one of them was to say "Northern Ireland" rather than "the north of Ireland" or "the six counties" half the lads on this board would be freaking out. Language matters.
To qoute yourself: "Nonsense".
A quick google throws up examples of each of the three candidates saying "Northern Ireland" in just the past week. Care to quote some of the posts from "half the lads on this board" who have been no doubt been "freaking out" about it?
Do you want be to get you the OED definition of hyperbole? Or would you object because it has the word "English " in the title.
Grow up you absolute bore.
Jeez. A page back, you were suggesting an article was too long for someone other than yourself to read, and now you're offering to define the phrases you use for me. Aren't we blessed to have someone with such breathtaking
arrogance intelligence among us?
Oh don't worry, I do understand hyperbole. So while I undertand the hyperbole of "half the lads" and "freaking out", the central point you were making was that there would be numerous objections to the terms the candidates would use to refer to the north. It's quite clear there hasn't been any.
Your second, and wider point was that her use of language ("the Ukraine") is a matter of significance, yet not only has it not been an election issue, but in reality, outside of this board, who has even noticed?
Quote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 01:10:01 PMQuote from: gallsman on October 02, 2025, 12:35:22 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2025, 12:02:31 PMThere is nitpicking and then there is this
Nonsense. If one of them was to say "Northern Ireland" rather than "the north of Ireland" or "the six counties" half the lads on this board would be freaking out. Language matters.
To qoute yourself: "Nonsense".
A quick google throws up examples of each of the three candidates saying "Northern Ireland" in just the past week. Care to quote some of the posts from "half the lads on this board" who have been no doubt been "freaking out" about it?
In fairness "Northern Ireland" would annoy me coming from any of the 3 candidates. Not sure I'd freak out now but I don't like it.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 02:07:12 PMJeez. A page back, you were suggesting an article was too long for someone other than yourself to read, and now you're offering to define the phrases you use for me. Aren't we blessed to have someone with such breathtaking arrogance intelligence among us?
Oh don't worry, I do understand hyperbole. So while I undertand the hyperbole of "half the lads" and "freaking out", the central point you were making was that there would be numerous objections to the terms the candidates would use to refer to the north. It's quite clear there hasn't been any.
Your second, and wider point was that her use of language ("the Ukraine") is a matter of significance, yet not only has it not been an election issue, but in reality, outside of this board, who has even noticed?
Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear. The central point I was making was, shockingly, that language, or choice of language matters. I'd have thought that was pretty clear given I specifically finished my post with "language matters".
Quote from: gallsman on October 02, 2025, 02:22:34 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 02:07:12 PMJeez. A page back, you were suggesting an article was too long for someone other than yourself to read, and now you're offering to define the phrases you use for me. Aren't we blessed to have someone with such breathtaking arrogance intelligence among us?
Oh don't worry, I do understand hyperbole. So while I undertand the hyperbole of "half the lads" and "freaking out", the central point you were making was that there would be numerous objections to the terms the candidates would use to refer to the north. It's quite clear there hasn't been any.
Your second, and wider point was that her use of language ("the Ukraine") is a matter of significance, yet not only has it not been an election issue, but in reality, outside of this board, who has even noticed?
Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear. The central point I was making was, shockingly, that language, or choice of language matters. I'd have thought that was pretty clear given I specifically finished my post with "language matters".
Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
Perhaps you missed the part of my post where I said that this was your wider point:
Quote from: gallsman on October 02, 2025, 02:22:34 PMYour second, and wider point was that her use of language ("the Ukraine") is a matter of significance
Don't worry. Maybe the post was a bit too long for you ;)
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/02/there-is-naivety-in-ireland-over-russian-threat-says-taoiseach/
There was a "very serious sense" of the Russian threat when EU leaders sat down together on Wednesday, Mr Martin said. "It seems to me that there's a degree of naivety back in Ireland in respect of that," he said.
This can be seen when one considers "everything that's happened over the last number of weeks and months, in terms of drone incursions, in terms of maritime activity among cables".
"Certainly the member states on the eastern European side, the Baltic States in particular, feel this threat and feel it's existential," he said.
Jim Gavin obviously needs to up his game and he needs to start on Sunday for the next Presidential debate.
Having seen Jim's work in the North East Inner City task force, I think he can raise his game in the campaign from here on in.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/10/01/michael-gallagher-the-process-that-left-us-with-only-three-candidates-for-president-needs-an-overhaul/
The requirements for the council route, though, are less satisfactory, because they undoubtedly empower some political actors to prevent others from becoming candidates. Because the Constitution specifies that a candidate requires nomination by four city or county councils, a candidate with significant support among councillors could be thwarted if his or her supporters do not amount to a majority in at least four councils. In the extreme case, a candidate backed by 49 per cent of the members of every council in the country might not secure any nominations if on each council the other 51 per cent of councillors voted not to nominate anyone in order to enhance the prospects of the candidate they support.
That's not a principle that would be seen as acceptable for standing as a candidate at Dáil elections. At present, anyone who can muster the signatures of 30 electors in a constituency earns a place on a Dáil ballot paper; there is no possibility of any other actor being able to stymie their path to a candidacy. The idea that a local majority, such as a group of one's neighbours, could deprive a minority of the right to run a candidate would be regarded as an outlandish suggestion and decidedly anti-democratic. By the same standards, the current provisions requiring nomination by councils rather than by councillors are dubious from a democratic standpoint.
[ Maria Steen complains she was shut out of presidential race after nominations shortfallOpens in new window ]
A fairer approach would be to require a candidate to get the backing of a certain number of councillors rather than of councils. Given the changing number of councillors over time, this would be better expressed as a percentage rather than a number – one that would give any candidate with a reasonably broad base of support a chance of getting on to the ballot paper. The bar might be set at, say, 5 per cent of city and county councillors – which under the present local government configuration of 949 councillors would mean that the backing of 48 councillors would be needed. It could be further refined so that these councillors would need to come from at least, say, eight different councils, to avoid the risk of local champions with little support outside their home turf getting on to the ticket.
Quote from: seafoid on October 02, 2025, 06:44:48 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/10/01/michael-gallagher-the-process-that-left-us-with-only-three-candidates-for-president-needs-an-overhaul/
The requirements for the council route, though, are less satisfactory, because they undoubtedly empower some political actors to prevent others from becoming candidates. Because the Constitution specifies that a candidate requires nomination by four city or county councils, a candidate with significant support among councillors could be thwarted if his or her supporters do not amount to a majority in at least four councils. In the extreme case, a candidate backed by 49 per cent of the members of every council in the country might not secure any nominations if on each council the other 51 per cent of councillors voted not to nominate anyone in order to enhance the prospects of the candidate they support.
That's not a principle that would be seen as acceptable for standing as a candidate at Dáil elections. At present, anyone who can muster the signatures of 30 electors in a constituency earns a place on a Dáil ballot paper; there is no possibility of any other actor being able to stymie their path to a candidacy. The idea that a local majority, such as a group of one's neighbours, could deprive a minority of the right to run a candidate would be regarded as an outlandish suggestion and decidedly anti-democratic. By the same standards, the current provisions requiring nomination by councils rather than by councillors are dubious from a democratic standpoint.
[ Maria Steen complains she was shut out of presidential race after nominations shortfallOpens in new window ]
A fairer approach would be to require a candidate to get the backing of a certain number of councillors rather than of councils. Given the changing number of councillors over time, this would be better expressed as a percentage rather than a number – one that would give any candidate with a reasonably broad base of support a chance of getting on to the ballot paper. The bar might be set at, say, 5 per cent of city and county councillors – which under the present local government configuration of 949 councillors would mean that the backing of 48 councillors would be needed. It could be further refined so that these councillors would need to come from at least, say, eight different councils, to avoid the risk of local champions with little support outside their home turf getting on to the ticket.
This makes a lot of sense. A certain number of the Oireachtas or a certain number of councillors. The other mechanism might be a large number of the electorate, as some countries have.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 02:07:12 PMQuote from: gallsman on October 02, 2025, 01:43:53 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 01:10:01 PMQuote from: gallsman on October 02, 2025, 12:35:22 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2025, 12:02:31 PMThere is nitpicking and then there is this
Nonsense. If one of them was to say "Northern Ireland" rather than "the north of Ireland" or "the six counties" half the lads on this board would be freaking out. Language matters.
To qoute yourself: "Nonsense".
A quick google throws up examples of each of the three candidates saying "Northern Ireland" in just the past week. Care to quote some of the posts from "half the lads on this board" who have been no doubt been "freaking out" about it?
Do you want be to get you the OED definition of hyperbole? Or would you object because it has the word "English " in the title.
Grow up you absolute bore.
Jeez. A page back, you were suggesting an article was too long for someone other than yourself to read, and now you're offering to define the phrases you use for me. Aren't we blessed to have someone with such breathtaking arrogance intelligence among us?
Oh don't worry, I do understand hyperbole. So while I undertand the hyperbole of "half the lads" and "freaking out", the central point you were making was that there would be numerous objections to the terms the candidates would use to refer to the north. It's quite clear there hasn't been any.
Your second, and wider point was that her use of language ("the Ukraine") is a matter of significance, yet not only has it not been an election issue, but in reality, outside of this board, who has even noticed?
It is a matter of significance and if she is elected you can be sure it will become an issue if she starts prattling about 'the Ukraine' on the international stage.
A presidential candidate, who uses a term for a European country that is offensive to the people of that country. A country that also happens to be in an existential war against the brutal imperial power next door. She needs to cop on.
Total ignoramus.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 02, 2025, 07:42:30 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 02:07:12 PMQuote from: gallsman on October 02, 2025, 01:43:53 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 01:10:01 PMQuote from: gallsman on October 02, 2025, 12:35:22 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2025, 12:02:31 PMThere is nitpicking and then there is this
Nonsense. If one of them was to say "Northern Ireland" rather than "the north of Ireland" or "the six counties" half the lads on this board would be freaking out. Language matters.
To qoute yourself: "Nonsense".
A quick google throws up examples of each of the three candidates saying "Northern Ireland" in just the past week. Care to quote some of the posts from "half the lads on this board" who have been no doubt been "freaking out" about it?
Do you want be to get you the OED definition of hyperbole? Or would you object because it has the word "English " in the title.
Grow up you absolute bore.
Jeez. A page back, you were suggesting an article was too long for someone other than yourself to read, and now you're offering to define the phrases you use for me. Aren't we blessed to have someone with such breathtaking arrogance intelligence among us?
Oh don't worry, I do understand hyperbole. So while I undertand the hyperbole of "half the lads" and "freaking out", the central point you were making was that there would be numerous objections to the terms the candidates would use to refer to the north. It's quite clear there hasn't been any.
Your second, and wider point was that her use of language ("the Ukraine") is a matter of significance, yet not only has it not been an election issue, but in reality, outside of this board, who has even noticed?
It is a matter of significance and if she is elected you can be sure it will become an issue if she starts prattling about 'the Ukraine' on the international stage.
A presidential candidate, who uses a term for a European country that is offensive to the people of that country. A country that also happens to be in an existential war against the brutal imperial power next door. She needs to cop on.
Total ignoramus.
What about a potential president (the current front runners in fact, who tells a journalist asking difficult questions to "f**k off and leave me alone"? Would that candidate be suitable for the office? Or would she also be too much of "a total ignoramus"?
Quote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 08:05:21 PMWhat about a potential president (the current front runners in fact, who tells a journalist asking difficult questions to "f**k off and leave me alone"? Would that candidate be suitable for the office? Or would she also be too much of "a total ignoramus"?
Depends on when she was asked to be honest. If it was at a press conference then it wouldn't be okay but if the journalist ambushed her out of work or at her home she's more than entitled to tell them to f**k off.
Quote from: trileacman on October 02, 2025, 08:12:27 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 08:05:21 PMWhat about a potential president (the current front runners in fact, who tells a journalist asking difficult questions to "f**k off and leave me alone"? Would that candidate be suitable for the office? Or would she also be too much of "a total ignoramus"?
Depends on when she was asked to be honest. If it was at a press conference then it wouldn't be okay but if the journalist ambushed her out of work or at her home she's more than entitled to tell them to f**k off.
Yeah no fan of Humphries but would agree with that.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 02, 2025, 08:15:58 PMQuote from: trileacman on October 02, 2025, 08:12:27 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 08:05:21 PMWhat about a potential president (the current front runners in fact, who tells a journalist asking difficult questions to "f**k off and leave me alone"? Would that candidate be suitable for the office? Or would she also be too much of "a total ignoramus"?
Depends on when she was asked to be honest. If it was at a press conference then it wouldn't be okay but if the journalist ambushed her out of work or at her home she's more than entitled to tell them to f**k off.
Yeah no fan of Humphries but would agree with that.
ambushed, what if they called to her constituency office and knocked on the door and she told them to f**k off!!!
More journalists should be told the same
Still cant say that, she not supposed to be Conor McGregor you know.
Quote from: trileacman on October 02, 2025, 08:12:27 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 08:05:21 PMWhat about a potential president (the current front runners in fact, who tells a journalist asking difficult questions to "f**k off and leave me alone"? Would that candidate be suitable for the office? Or would she also be too much of "a total ignoramus"?
Depends on when she was asked to be honest. If it was at a press conference then it wouldn't be okay but if the journalist ambushed her out of work or at her home she's more than entitled to tell them to f**k off.
She was asked a legitimate question about her failure to seek planning permission by two journalists from The Ditch who called at her constituency office. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Was her response ("f**k off and leave me alone") a presidential one? Or the response of what 'Banks of the Bann' might call an "ignoramus"?
Even though I take serious issue with some of Michael D's virtual pro-Russian lefty values, I'd give him a 10/10 in his role as president, he's cultured, has personality, intelligence, character and a vibrant articulation. By comparison this trio of candidates, from a presidential perspective, are placed somewhere between barnacles and limpets.
Quote from: Main Street on October 03, 2025, 12:01:57 AMEven though I take serious issue with some of Michael D's virtual pro-Russian lefty values, I'd give him a 10/10 in his role as president, he's cultured, has personality, intelligence, character and a vibrant articulation. By comparison this trio of candidates, from a presidential perspective, are placed somewhere between barnacles and limpets.
Such as?
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 03, 2025, 06:29:47 AMQuote from: Main Street on October 03, 2025, 12:01:57 AMEven though I take serious issue with some of Michael D's virtual pro-Russian lefty values, I'd give him a 10/10 in his role as president, he's cultured, has personality, intelligence, character and a vibrant articulation. By comparison this trio of candidates, from a presidential perspective, are placed somewhere between barnacles and limpets.
Such as?
I think Catherine Connolly is very much similar in many ways to Higgins. I totally disagree with the ascertain that being anti war is pro Russian, having concerns with having another arms race etc. is not pro Russian.
Connolly and Higgins have long standing records taking anti war stances and anti IMC stances long before Russias invasion of Ukraine. They are consistent in their views, unlike others.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 03, 2025, 09:49:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 03, 2025, 06:29:47 AMQuote from: Main Street on October 03, 2025, 12:01:57 AMEven though I take serious issue with some of Michael D's virtual pro-Russian lefty values, I'd give him a 10/10 in his role as president, he's cultured, has personality, intelligence, character and a vibrant articulation. By comparison this trio of candidates, from a presidential perspective, are placed somewhere between barnacles and limpets.
Such as?
I think Catherine Connolly is very much similar in many ways to Higgins. I totally disagree with the ascertain that being anti war is pro Russian, having concerns with having another arms race etc. is not pro Russian.
Connolly and Higgins have long standing records taking anti war stances and anti IMC stances long before Russias invasion of Ukraine. They are consistent in their views, unlike others.
Agreed. As long as they call out both American and Russias war mongering then I've no issue.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 03, 2025, 09:52:28 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 03, 2025, 09:49:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 03, 2025, 06:29:47 AMQuote from: Main Street on October 03, 2025, 12:01:57 AMEven though I take serious issue with some of Michael D's virtual pro-Russian lefty values, I'd give him a 10/10 in his role as president, he's cultured, has personality, intelligence, character and a vibrant articulation. By comparison this trio of candidates, from a presidential perspective, are placed somewhere between barnacles and limpets.
Such as?
I think Catherine Connolly is very much similar in many ways to Higgins. I totally disagree with the ascertain that being anti war is pro Russian, having concerns with having another arms race etc. is not pro Russian.
Connolly and Higgins have long standing records taking anti war stances and anti IMC stances long before Russias invasion of Ukraine. They are consistent in their views, unlike others.
Agreed. As long as they call out both American and Russias war mongering then I've no issue.
it's not limited to Russia and America, I haven't seen any comments that deny the rights of the Ukrainians or others to defend themselves. not enough efforts were made to prevent or stop this invasion imo (notwithstanding Putin could/can/has ignored efforts). The Ukrainians have been let down by everyone.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 03, 2025, 09:58:15 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 03, 2025, 09:52:28 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 03, 2025, 09:49:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 03, 2025, 06:29:47 AMQuote from: Main Street on October 03, 2025, 12:01:57 AMEven though I take serious issue with some of Michael D's virtual pro-Russian lefty values, I'd give him a 10/10 in his role as president, he's cultured, has personality, intelligence, character and a vibrant articulation. By comparison this trio of candidates, from a presidential perspective, are placed somewhere between barnacles and limpets.
Such as?
I think Catherine Connolly is very much similar in many ways to Higgins. I totally disagree with the ascertain that being anti war is pro Russian, having concerns with having another arms race etc. is not pro Russian.
Connolly and Higgins have long standing records taking anti war stances and anti IMC stances long before Russias invasion of Ukraine. They are consistent in their views, unlike others.
Agreed. As long as they call out both American and Russias war mongering then I've no issue.
it's not limited to Russia and America, I haven't seen any comments that deny the rights of the Ukrainians or others to defend themselves. not enough efforts were made to prevent or stop this invasion imo (notwithstanding Putin could/can/has ignored efforts). The Ukrainians have been let down by everyone.
They're the main proponents obviously and the US especially either facilitate, turn a blind eye or actively encourage most conflicts on the planet.
But 100% agree.
One of the Burkes removed from a Connolly event last night.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 10:44:06 PMQuote from: trileacman on October 02, 2025, 08:12:27 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 08:05:21 PMWhat about a potential president (the current front runners in fact, who tells a journalist asking difficult questions to "f**k off and leave me alone"? Would that candidate be suitable for the office? Or would she also be too much of "a total ignoramus"?
Depends on when she was asked to be honest. If it was at a press conference then it wouldn't be okay but if the journalist ambushed her out of work or at her home she's more than entitled to tell them to f**k off.
She was asked a legitimate question about her failure to seek planning permission by two journalists from The Ditch who called at her constituency office. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Was her response ("f**k off and leave me alone") a presidential one? Or the response of what 'Banks of the Bann' might call an "ignoramus"?
It sounds like the response of an ignoramus to me. Anything else?
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 03, 2025, 11:08:46 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 10:44:06 PMQuote from: trileacman on October 02, 2025, 08:12:27 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 08:05:21 PMWhat about a potential president (the current front runners in fact, who tells a journalist asking difficult questions to "f**k off and leave me alone"? Would that candidate be suitable for the office? Or would she also be too much of "a total ignoramus"?
Depends on when she was asked to be honest. If it was at a press conference then it wouldn't be okay but if the journalist ambushed her out of work or at her home she's more than entitled to tell them to f**k off.
She was asked a legitimate question about her failure to seek planning permission by two journalists from The Ditch who called at her constituency office. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Was her response ("f**k off and leave me alone") a presidential one? Or the response of what 'Banks of the Bann' might call an "ignoramus"?
It sounds like the response of an ignoramus to me. Anything else?
Yes....how come, if language matters so much to you when it come to potential presidential candidates, you've never mentioned it?
Quote from: Snapchap on October 03, 2025, 11:21:44 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 03, 2025, 11:08:46 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 10:44:06 PMQuote from: trileacman on October 02, 2025, 08:12:27 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 08:05:21 PMWhat about a potential president (the current front runners in fact, who tells a journalist asking difficult questions to "f**k off and leave me alone"? Would that candidate be suitable for the office? Or would she also be too much of "a total ignoramus"?
Depends on when she was asked to be honest. If it was at a press conference then it wouldn't be okay but if the journalist ambushed her out of work or at her home she's more than entitled to tell them to f**k off.
She was asked a legitimate question about her failure to seek planning permission by two journalists from The Ditch who called at her constituency office. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Was her response ("f**k off and leave me alone") a presidential one? Or the response of what 'Banks of the Bann' might call an "ignoramus"?
It sounds like the response of an ignoramus to me. Anything else?
Yes....how come, if language matters so much to you when it come to potential presidential candidates, you've never mentioned it?
I wasn't aware of it.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 03, 2025, 11:23:26 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 03, 2025, 11:21:44 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 03, 2025, 11:08:46 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 10:44:06 PMQuote from: trileacman on October 02, 2025, 08:12:27 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 08:05:21 PMWhat about a potential president (the current front runners in fact, who tells a journalist asking difficult questions to "f**k off and leave me alone"? Would that candidate be suitable for the office? Or would she also be too much of "a total ignoramus"?
Depends on when she was asked to be honest. If it was at a press conference then it wouldn't be okay but if the journalist ambushed her out of work or at her home she's more than entitled to tell them to f**k off.
She was asked a legitimate question about her failure to seek planning permission by two journalists from The Ditch who called at her constituency office. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Was her response ("f**k off and leave me alone") a presidential one? Or the response of what 'Banks of the Bann' might call an "ignoramus"?
It sounds like the response of an ignoramus to me. Anything else?
Yes....how come, if language matters so much to you when it come to potential presidential candidates, you've never mentioned it?
I wasn't aware of it.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
No problem at all. No doubt you'll be as obsessive about this now as you are about Catherine Connolly's language.
Well first off I'm not obsessive, it was someone else who brought it up.
As for your comparison, apples and pears as usual to try to deflect.
If Humphries tells an interviewer to f**k off every time she does an interview and manages to insult a country of 40M in the process, while expecting to be the highest diplomat for Ireland, then yeah perhaps I'd accept your comparison.
As it was, she came across as an ignoramus and hurt the feewings of two journalists. If there was a pattern of this type of behaviour, I would definitely say she is unfit for the office.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 03, 2025, 09:58:15 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 03, 2025, 09:52:28 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 03, 2025, 09:49:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 03, 2025, 06:29:47 AMQuote from: Main Street on October 03, 2025, 12:01:57 AMEven though I take serious issue with some of Michael D's virtual pro-Russian lefty values, I'd give him a 10/10 in his role as president, he's cultured, has personality, intelligence, character and a vibrant articulation. By comparison this trio of candidates, from a presidential perspective, are placed somewhere between barnacles and limpets.
Such as?
I think Catherine Connolly is very much similar in many ways to Higgins. I totally disagree with the ascertain that being anti war is pro Russian, having concerns with having another arms race etc. is not pro Russian.
Connolly and Higgins have long standing records taking anti war stances and anti IMC stances long before Russias invasion of Ukraine. They are consistent in their views, unlike others.
Agreed. As long as they call out both American and Russias war mongering then I've no issue.
it's not limited to Russia and America, I haven't seen any comments that deny the rights of the Ukrainians or others to defend themselves. not enough efforts were made to prevent or stop this invasion imo (notwithstanding Putin could/can/has ignored efforts). The Ukrainians have been let down by everyone.
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. Nothing was done about it then. Weakness.
Weakness that provoked Russia.
Germany continued their path of economic cooperation and friendship towards Russia.
Perhaps Connolly et al should direct their ire to the source of the current arms race, I.e. Russia instead of prattling about NATO and the 'Military Industrial Complex'.
Btw, Trump tried the tankie approach these past 6 months. (Peace at any cost) How did that work out? Oh yeah, more drones, more rockets, more dead Ukrainian civilians.
Weakness as before, provoked Russia.
Connolly is incapable of condemning Russia without going off course and condemning the west. Despite the fact that not a single one of Russia's lies about their reason for going to war stand up to any scrutiny. It's in her tankie DNA, she can't help herself.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 03, 2025, 01:04:47 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 03, 2025, 09:58:15 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 03, 2025, 09:52:28 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 03, 2025, 09:49:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 03, 2025, 06:29:47 AMQuote from: Main Street on October 03, 2025, 12:01:57 AMEven though I take serious issue with some of Michael D's virtual pro-Russian lefty values, I'd give him a 10/10 in his role as president, he's cultured, has personality, intelligence, character and a vibrant articulation. By comparison this trio of candidates, from a presidential perspective, are placed somewhere between barnacles and limpets.
Such as?
I think Catherine Connolly is very much similar in many ways to Higgins. I totally disagree with the ascertain that being anti war is pro Russian, having concerns with having another arms race etc. is not pro Russian.
Connolly and Higgins have long standing records taking anti war stances and anti IMC stances long before Russias invasion of Ukraine. They are consistent in their views, unlike others.
Agreed. As long as they call out both American and Russias war mongering then I've no issue.
it's not limited to Russia and America, I haven't seen any comments that deny the rights of the Ukrainians or others to defend themselves. not enough efforts were made to prevent or stop this invasion imo (notwithstanding Putin could/can/has ignored efforts). The Ukrainians have been let down by everyone.
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. Nothing was done about it then. Weakness.
Weakness that provoked Russia.
Germany continued their path of economic cooperation and friendship towards Russia.
Perhaps Connolly et al should direct their ire to the source of the current arms race, I.e. Russia instead of prattling about NATO and the 'Military Industrial Complex'.
Btw, Trump tried the tankie approach these past 6 months. (Peace at any cost) How did that work out? Oh yeah, more drones, more rockets, more dead Ukrainian civilians.
Weakness as before, provoked Russia.
Connolly is incapable of condemning Russia without going off course and condemning the west. Despite the fact that not a single one of Russia's lies about their reason for going to war stand up to any scrutiny. It's in her tankie DNA, she can't help herself.
Why shouldn't she focus her at the west? What country has caused more death around the world since WW2 than the USA?
Quote from: Snapchap on October 03, 2025, 01:22:32 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 03, 2025, 01:04:47 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 03, 2025, 09:58:15 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 03, 2025, 09:52:28 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 03, 2025, 09:49:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 03, 2025, 06:29:47 AMQuote from: Main Street on October 03, 2025, 12:01:57 AMEven though I take serious issue with some of Michael D's virtual pro-Russian lefty values, I'd give him a 10/10 in his role as president, he's cultured, has personality, intelligence, character and a vibrant articulation. By comparison this trio of candidates, from a presidential perspective, are placed somewhere between barnacles and limpets.
Such as?
I think Catherine Connolly is very much similar in many ways to Higgins. I totally disagree with the ascertain that being anti war is pro Russian, having concerns with having another arms race etc. is not pro Russian.
Connolly and Higgins have long standing records taking anti war stances and anti IMC stances long before Russias invasion of Ukraine. They are consistent in their views, unlike others.
Agreed. As long as they call out both American and Russias war mongering then I've no issue.
it's not limited to Russia and America, I haven't seen any comments that deny the rights of the Ukrainians or others to defend themselves. not enough efforts were made to prevent or stop this invasion imo (notwithstanding Putin could/can/has ignored efforts). The Ukrainians have been let down by everyone.
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. Nothing was done about it then. Weakness.
Weakness that provoked Russia.
Germany continued their path of economic cooperation and friendship towards Russia.
Perhaps Connolly et al should direct their ire to the source of the current arms race, I.e. Russia instead of prattling about NATO and the 'Military Industrial Complex'.
Btw, Trump tried the tankie approach these past 6 months. (Peace at any cost) How did that work out? Oh yeah, more drones, more rockets, more dead Ukrainian civilians.
Weakness as before, provoked Russia.
Connolly is incapable of condemning Russia without going off course and condemning the west. Despite the fact that not a single one of Russia's lies about their reason for going to war stand up to any scrutiny. It's in her tankie DNA, she can't help herself.
Why shouldn't she focus her at the west? What country has caused more death around the world since WW2 than the USA?
Amazing how Shinners find reasons to justify a state being invaded and butchered by their aggressive big dog neighbours.
Zero empathy.
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 03, 2025, 01:28:37 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 03, 2025, 01:22:32 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 03, 2025, 01:04:47 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 03, 2025, 09:58:15 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 03, 2025, 09:52:28 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 03, 2025, 09:49:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 03, 2025, 06:29:47 AMQuote from: Main Street on October 03, 2025, 12:01:57 AMEven though I take serious issue with some of Michael D's virtual pro-Russian lefty values, I'd give him a 10/10 in his role as president, he's cultured, has personality, intelligence, character and a vibrant articulation. By comparison this trio of candidates, from a presidential perspective, are placed somewhere between barnacles and limpets.
Such as?
I think Catherine Connolly is very much similar in many ways to Higgins. I totally disagree with the ascertain that being anti war is pro Russian, having concerns with having another arms race etc. is not pro Russian.
Connolly and Higgins have long standing records taking anti war stances and anti IMC stances long before Russias invasion of Ukraine. They are consistent in their views, unlike others.
Agreed. As long as they call out both American and Russias war mongering then I've no issue.
it's not limited to Russia and America, I haven't seen any comments that deny the rights of the Ukrainians or others to defend themselves. not enough efforts were made to prevent or stop this invasion imo (notwithstanding Putin could/can/has ignored efforts). The Ukrainians have been let down by everyone.
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. Nothing was done about it then. Weakness.
Weakness that provoked Russia.
Germany continued their path of economic cooperation and friendship towards Russia.
Perhaps Connolly et al should direct their ire to the source of the current arms race, I.e. Russia instead of prattling about NATO and the 'Military Industrial Complex'.
Btw, Trump tried the tankie approach these past 6 months. (Peace at any cost) How did that work out? Oh yeah, more drones, more rockets, more dead Ukrainian civilians.
Weakness as before, provoked Russia.
Connolly is incapable of condemning Russia without going off course and condemning the west. Despite the fact that not a single one of Russia's lies about their reason for going to war stand up to any scrutiny. It's in her tankie DNA, she can't help herself.
Why shouldn't she focus her at the west? What country has caused more death around the world since WW2 than the USA?
Amazing how Shinners find reasons to justify a state being invaded and butchered by their aggressive big dog neighbours.
Zero empathy.
1. Haven't voted for SF since they supped champagne with Genocide Joe.
2. If you understood my comment, you'd get my point that I do object to states/people being invaded/butchered by colonial powers. The point is that the biggest culprit in this regard (the USA) ought to be the one to get most of the criticism? No?
Why would she focus on the west when discussing Ukraine, which was invaded by Russia?
She even did it on the anniversary of the invasion.
Of course, the reason she does it is because she is a tankie and can't help herself.
She has ample opportunity to stick it to the US and the west and she does so.
But can she criticise Russia and leave it at that? Not a chance.
Always Nato, the EU and America. Never Russia.
Here's Kremlin Catherine defending the Salisbury attack by Russia.
https://x.com/TullMcAdoo/status/1974153479179686379?s=19
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 03, 2025, 01:04:47 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 03, 2025, 09:58:15 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 03, 2025, 09:52:28 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 03, 2025, 09:49:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 03, 2025, 06:29:47 AMQuote from: Main Street on October 03, 2025, 12:01:57 AMEven though I take serious issue with some of Michael D's virtual pro-Russian lefty values, I'd give him a 10/10 in his role as president, he's cultured, has personality, intelligence, character and a vibrant articulation. By comparison this trio of candidates, from a presidential perspective, are placed somewhere between barnacles and limpets.
Such as?
I think Catherine Connolly is very much similar in many ways to Higgins. I totally disagree with the ascertain that being anti war is pro Russian, having concerns with having another arms race etc. is not pro Russian.
Connolly and Higgins have long standing records taking anti war stances and anti IMC stances long before Russias invasion of Ukraine. They are consistent in their views, unlike others.
Agreed. As long as they call out both American and Russias war mongering then I've no issue.
it's not limited to Russia and America, I haven't seen any comments that deny the rights of the Ukrainians or others to defend themselves. not enough efforts were made to prevent or stop this invasion imo (notwithstanding Putin could/can/has ignored efforts). The Ukrainians have been let down by everyone.
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. Nothing was done about it then. Weakness.
Weakness that provoked Russia.
Germany continued their path of economic cooperation and friendship towards Russia.
Perhaps Connolly et al should direct their ire to the source of the current arms race, I.e. Russia instead of prattling about NATO and the 'Military Industrial Complex'.
Btw, Trump tried the tankie approach these past 6 months. (Peace at any cost) How did that work out? Oh yeah, more drones, more rockets, more dead Ukrainian civilians.
Weakness as before, provoked Russia.
Connolly is incapable of condemning Russia without going off course and condemning the west. Despite the fact that not a single one of Russia's lies about their reason for going to war stand up to any scrutiny. It's in her tankie DNA, she can't help herself.
Trump might be first order bollix, but even he realised that you cannot talk to Putin Connolly doesn't seem as able as Trump, which is pretty sad.
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 03, 2025, 07:45:18 PMAlways Nato, the EU and America. Never Russia.
Here's Kremlin Catherine defending the Salisbury attack by Russia.
https://x.com/TullMcAdoo/status/1974153479179686379?s=19
If she's not a tankie, then she's incredibly naïve.
Quote from: Fogarty on October 03, 2025, 09:46:53 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 03, 2025, 07:45:18 PMAlways Nato, the EU and America. Never Russia.
Here's Kremlin Catherine defending the Salisbury attack by Russia.
https://x.com/TullMcAdoo/status/1974153479179686379?s=19
If she's not a tankie, then she's incredibly naïve.
She is 100% a tankie.
The 'context' of the Skripal poisoning according to Catherine Connolly is the 'building up of missiles right up to the Russian border'.
That's how she views democratically elected sovereign countries requesting to joint a defensive alliance as they feared the fate which eventually befell Georgia and then Ukraine.
Notice also how her language makes it sound like NATO was a threat to Russia and was 'building up missiles right up to the Russian border' as if preparing for some kind of attack. On nuclear armed Russia and starting WW3.
Parroting pure Russian propaganda.
The truth is poor Russia was scared it couldn't bully or invade its neighbours anymore if they joined NATO, nothing more.
It's also completely bizarre for her to use that take to try to justify the FSB rocking up in Salisbury to murder some old double agent. Desperate stuff.
Connolly now 5/6 favourite with PP and Gavin out to 10/1.
Gavin has been a disaster. He'll bring down Micheal Martin with him!
Quote from: Tatler Jack on October 04, 2025, 10:03:00 PMConnolly now 5/6 favourite with PP and Gavin out to 10/1.
Country folk don't like pompous Jackeens.
I'm waiting for the - ''But he's a member of the GAA........ and he saved football!''
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 04, 2025, 10:23:50 PMQuote from: Tatler Jack on October 04, 2025, 10:03:00 PMConnolly now 5/6 favourite with PP and Gavin out to 10/1.
Country folk don't like pompous Jackeens.
I'm waiting for the - ''But he's a member of the GAA........ and he saved football!''
Gavin ruined football in the first place with his tedious keep ball football.
His Dublin team were nearly as boring as he was.
Ukraine doesn't seem to resonate with voters.
Jim Gavin isn't doing very well. The GAA angle
is weaker than expected. As the face of the 6 in a row he's unlikely to pick up votes in Kerry and Mayo
Martin had a hard on for him for some reason, probably because it shafted Kelleher. Pissed off plenty in FF so doubt voters will rally for party colours either. GAA angle is surely weak too. Can stand MM less than McGregor. If he resurrected John Joe Reilly to run for FF no way I'd vote.
Hypothetically-if Gavin and Humphrey's supporters entered a pact to just vote one and two, wouldn't one of them be almost guaranteed to win ?
Quote from: seafoid on October 05, 2025, 11:42:27 AMUkraine doesn't seem to resonate with voters.
Jim Gavin isn't doing very well. The GAA angle
is weaker than expected. As the face of the 6 in a row he's unlikely to pick up votes in Kerry and Mayo
I was in a taxi last week and the driver seemed to think that more people had been killed in Gaza than Ukraine!
It is truly shameful that SF, a party who advocate that Ireland should be free from its imperial neighbour, should support a candidate who believes that Ukraine should be subject to whatever is convenient for Russia. Is this what the men in 1916 died for?
Opinion poll on the Irish independent
C Connolly 32%
H Humphreys 23%
J Gavin 15%
Quote from: armaghniac on October 05, 2025, 01:29:55 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 05, 2025, 11:42:27 AMUkraine doesn't seem to resonate with voters.
Jim Gavin isn't doing very well. The GAA angle
is weaker than expected. As the face of the 6 in a row he's unlikely to pick up votes in Kerry and Mayo
I was in a taxi last week and the driver seemed to think that more people had been killed in Gaza than Ukraine!
It is truly shameful that SF, a party who advocate that Ireland should be free from its imperial neighbour, should support a candidate who believes that Ukraine should be subject to whatever is convenient for Russia. Is this what the men in 1916 died for?
that's not what she believes
That rent story on Gavin very very damaging. Pure scummy act if what's reported is true. And his defense was "poor me at the time".
Quote from: Look-Up! on October 05, 2025, 02:58:57 PMThat rent story on Gavin very very damaging. Pure scummy act if what's reported is true. And his defense was "poor me at the time".
Could see Gavin dropping out. His election is done.
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 05, 2025, 01:51:30 PMOpinion poll on the Irish independent
C Connolly 32%
H Humphreys 23%
J Gavin 15%
Spoiled votes 30%
Quote from: Look-Up! on October 05, 2025, 02:58:57 PMThat rent story on Gavin very very damaging. Pure scummy act if what's reported is true. And his defense was "poor me at the time".
Yeah. That'll sink him, but he was on his way of comfortably finishing last anyway.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 05, 2025, 03:40:10 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on October 05, 2025, 01:51:30 PMOpinion poll on the Irish independent
C Connolly 32%
H Humphreys 23%
J Gavin 15%
Spoiled votes 30%
Spoiled votes in previous president election.
1945 50,287
1959 24,089
1966 9,910
1973 6,946
1990 9,444
1997 9,852
2011 18,676
2018 18,438
Spoils were 1.2% of turnout in 2018 and were 4.4% of turnout in 1945
Another poll
Would you have voted for Maria Steen if she had got on the ballot?
No: 63%
Yes: 22%
Unsure: 15%
Steen voters who were planning on staying away or spoiling their votes may now change their minds with the prospect of Catherine Connolly being elected.
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 05, 2025, 01:51:30 PMOpinion poll on the Irish independent
C Connolly 32%
H Humphreys 23%
J Gavin 15%
Any news on where second preferences would go? I would suspect that most, but not all, Gavin voters would give their 2nd preference to HH.
Gay Mitchell unavailable?
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/05/jim-gavin-looking-into-allegation-he-owes-former-tenant-3300/
Fianna Fáil presidential candidate Jim Gavin has said he is "looking into" an allegation that a former tenant of his mistakenly overpaid €3,300 in rent for an apartment he used to own and was never paid back.
"If it happened I'm very sorry that it happened, I really am, and I will address it," he said on Sunday.
Quote from: seafoid on October 05, 2025, 07:15:12 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/05/jim-gavin-looking-into-allegation-he-owes-former-tenant-3300/
Fianna Fáil presidential candidate Jim Gavin has said he is "looking into" an allegation that a former tenant of his mistakenly overpaid €3,300 in rent for an apartment he used to own and was never paid back.
"If it happened I'm very sorry that it happened, I really am, and I will address it," he said on Sunday.
He's toast already, this only makes it worse.
Will he even get his deposit back? I mean the election deposit, not the landlord one!
Quote from: Lamps on October 05, 2025, 09:14:12 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 05, 2025, 07:15:12 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/05/jim-gavin-looking-into-allegation-he-owes-former-tenant-3300/
Fianna Fáil presidential candidate Jim Gavin has said he is "looking into" an allegation that a former tenant of his mistakenly overpaid €3,300 in rent for an apartment he used to own and was never paid back.
"If it happened I'm very sorry that it happened, I really am, and I will address it," he said on Sunday.
He's toast already, this only makes it worse.
Will he even get his deposit back? I mean the election deposit, not the landlord one!
About as weak a statement as you could make, whether guilty or innocent. Unbelievable the amount of money wasted on "PR advisers" in politics. Thickest of the thick.
Jim Gavin gone!
The tankies have it! :o :o :o :o
Fell on his own sword!
Is it too late for Fianna Fail to nominate someone else?
Quote from: Fogarty on October 05, 2025, 10:46:41 PMFell on his own sword!
Is it too late for Fianna Fail to nominate someone else?
Nominations closed last Monday or the Monday before.
Jaysis, it's a bad state of affairs.
Excellent! Would be terrible to see Heather Humphries get in on transfers. Hopefully, Catherine Connolly will see it home now ✨️
Poor auld Michéal. He could have had Bertie or Bob!
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 05, 2025, 10:51:26 PMExcellent! Would be terrible to see Heather Humphries get in on transfers. Hopefully, Catherine Connolly will see it home now ✨️
Are you currently wearing a tankie-top? Inclement weather is no excuse
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 05, 2025, 10:51:26 PMExcellent! Would be terrible to see Heather Humphries get in on transfers. Hopefully, Catherine Connolly will see it home now ✨️
He will still be on the ballot, and his votes will be counted and transferred - as strange as that might seem.
First bit of pressure and bit of dirty news found out about him and Jimbo jumps ship and to think GAA HQ put their faith in that individual to change the sport for the better ::)
Sunday Indo sponsored poll (https://archive.ph/FN9SI#selection-4555.0-4555.215)
'reveals where crucial second preference votes would go, with 60pc of Mr Gavin's second preference votes going to Ms Humphreys, compared to just 24pc of his second preference votes going to Ms Connolly.'
That would indicate a bias towards Heather Humphreys from would be Gavin voters.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 05, 2025, 11:13:10 PMFirst bit of pressure and bit of dirty news found out about him and Jimbo jumps ship and to think GAA HQ put their faith in that individual to change the sport for the better ::)
It was a committee changed the rules and got 96% approval of players. You really need to accept we're not going back to that dark hole
Quote from: weareros on October 05, 2025, 11:06:03 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 05, 2025, 10:51:26 PMExcellent! Would be terrible to see Heather Humphries get in on transfers. Hopefully, Catherine Connolly will see it home now ✨️
He will still be on the ballot, and his votes will be counted and transferred - as strange as that might seem.
Some craic if he topped the votes
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 05, 2025, 10:51:26 PMExcellent! Would be terrible to see Heather Humphries get in on transfers. Hopefully, Catherine Connolly will see it home now ✨️
Terrible to see someone win by transfers. That is a strange take for an Irish election.
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on October 05, 2025, 11:19:29 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 05, 2025, 10:51:26 PMExcellent! Would be terrible to see Heather Humphries get in on transfers. Hopefully, Catherine Connolly will see it home now ✨️
Terrible to see someone win by transfers. That is a strange take for an Irish election.
For any election
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 05, 2025, 11:13:10 PMFirst bit of pressure and bit of dirty news found out about him and Jimbo jumps ship and to think GAA HQ put their faith in that individual to change the sport for the better ::)
He'll now have more time to take up his hammer and tap tap tap Gaelic football into oblivion
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 05, 2025, 10:41:12 PMJim Gavin gone!
The tankies have it! :o :o :o :o
I hope the Air Corps show more resolve when the Russian drones come.
I couldn't have won 6 All Irelands, but I would have been a better candidate otherwise than Gavin.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 05, 2025, 11:13:10 PMFirst bit of pressure and bit of dirty news found out about him and Jimbo jumps ship and to think GAA HQ put their faith in that individual to change the sport for the better ::)
Should have handed the ball, er the deposit back. Got punished for the breach. Heather now has lost her two point specialist. She'll have to win with one pointers. Will Connolly in the red geansaí now thrive in the 1x1 situations with Jim having to stay back. Extra space could suit her. The seven or eight selectors could be a problem though.
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 05, 2025, 11:20:02 PMQuote from: upmonaghansayswe on October 05, 2025, 11:19:29 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 05, 2025, 10:51:26 PMExcellent! Would be terrible to see Heather Humphries get in on transfers. Hopefully, Catherine Connolly will see it home now ✨️
Terrible to see someone win by transfers. That is a strange take for an Irish election.
For any election
Oh right. STV discussion is part of this thread then. But you're right that comment is strange for any election.
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Madness. Surely Ireland can't vote an Orangewoman in?
Gavin should have seen it through though.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 05, 2025, 11:30:01 PMMadness. Surely Ireland can't vote an Orangewoman in?
Gavin should have seen it through though.
Well, an Orangeman was voted to lead the GAA. Why not an orange woman as president? ;D
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on October 05, 2025, 11:27:08 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 05, 2025, 11:20:02 PMQuote from: upmonaghansayswe on October 05, 2025, 11:19:29 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 05, 2025, 10:51:26 PMExcellent! Would be terrible to see Heather Humphries get in on transfers. Hopefully, Catherine Connolly will see it home now ✨️
Terrible to see someone win by transfers. That is a strange take for an Irish election.
For any election
Oh right. STV discussion is part of this thread then. But you're right that comment is strange for any election.
3 candidates should be person most votes.. winner in.. unless transfers get the person I want elected :D
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 05, 2025, 11:13:10 PMFirst bit of pressure and bit of dirty news found out about him and Jimbo jumps ship and to think GAA HQ put their faith in that individual to change the sport for the better ::)
He has changed it for the better, obviously
Now we need to dig some dirt on CC and force her out of the race
Create a constitutional crisis where a new election will have to be called
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 05, 2025, 11:13:10 PMFirst bit of pressure and bit of dirty news found out about him and Jimbo jumps ship and to think GAA HQ put their faith in that individual to change the sport for the better ::)
Pity that Trump bollox hadn't given up as handy as Jimbo when faced with a few dodgy stories from the past and the odd indictment here or there. 😀😀😀
So was the money just resting in Jim's account?
looks like it
Will he take martin with him. Shocking judgement from the Taoiseach.
Quote from: thebuzz on October 06, 2025, 12:14:35 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on October 05, 2025, 11:13:10 PMFirst bit of pressure and bit of dirty news found out about him and Jimbo jumps ship and to think GAA HQ put their faith in that individual to change the sport for the better ::)
Pity that Trump bollox hadn't given up as handy as Jimbo when faced with a few dodgy stories from the past and the odd indictment here or there. 😀😀😀
It reflects the values of the electorate, people in the US are happy to have a sex pest represent them.
Quote from: ardtole on October 06, 2025, 07:24:21 AMWill he take martin with him. Shocking judgement from the Taoiseach.
Well that would certainly be a silver lining to a shocking election process.
And they want to extend the vote in Irish presidential elections to those of us in the North of Ireland bearing Irish passports? We already have enough shitshow elections here, as it is, without adding another one.
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on October 06, 2025, 10:07:14 AMAnd they want to extend the vote in Irish presidential elections to those of us in the North of Ireland bearing Irish passports? We already have enough shitshow elections here, as it is, without adding another one.
It won't be compulsory to vote
He's fulfilled his political targets. Karma's a bitch...
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on October 06, 2025, 10:07:14 AMAnd they want to extend the vote in Irish presidential elections to those of us in the North of Ireland bearing Irish passports? We already have enough shitshow elections here, as it is, without adding another one.
If you don't want to vote, that's fine, and, as has been said, you won't have to. I would quite like a vote despite the shitshow here.
I heard of a similar story
The account was in arrears with penalties and interest charges racking up
When the "erroneous" payment went in, it was gobbled up to cover outstanding charges. The money essentially went into a black hole
There wouldn't have been any way for Gavin to have gotten the guys €3K back at that point in time.
That doesn't mean he shouldn't have paid him back once he got back on his feet
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on October 05, 2025, 11:19:29 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 05, 2025, 10:51:26 PMExcellent! Would be terrible to see Heather Humphries get in on transfers. Hopefully, Catherine Connolly will see it home now ✨️
Terrible to see someone win by transfers. That is a strange take for an Irish election.
There won't be transfers in a 2 horse race.
Quote from: seafoid on October 06, 2025, 11:05:17 AMQuote from: upmonaghansayswe on October 05, 2025, 11:19:29 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 05, 2025, 10:51:26 PMExcellent! Would be terrible to see Heather Humphries get in on transfers. Hopefully, Catherine Connolly will see it home now ✨️
Terrible to see someone win by transfers. That is a strange take for an Irish election.
There won't be transfers in a 2 horse race.
Will Meehole throw FF weight behind Humphries now?
Quote from: seafoid on October 06, 2025, 11:05:17 AMQuote from: upmonaghansayswe on October 05, 2025, 11:19:29 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 05, 2025, 10:51:26 PMExcellent! Would be terrible to see Heather Humphries get in on transfers. Hopefully, Catherine Connolly will see it home now ✨️
Terrible to see someone win by transfers. That is a strange take for an Irish election.
There won't be transfers in a 2 horse race.
Surely it's still a 3 horse race if Gavin's name remains on the ballot papers?
Quote from: seafoid on October 06, 2025, 11:05:17 AMQuote from: upmonaghansayswe on October 05, 2025, 11:19:29 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 05, 2025, 10:51:26 PMExcellent! Would be terrible to see Heather Humphries get in on transfers. Hopefully, Catherine Connolly will see it home now ✨️
Terrible to see someone win by transfers. That is a strange take for an Irish election.
There won't be transfers in a 2 horse race.
Gavin is still on the ballot paper.
Someone wanting to make a point, say about Steen, could vote for him and put their real choice as no 2.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 06, 2025, 11:11:18 AMQuote from: seafoid on October 06, 2025, 11:05:17 AMQuote from: upmonaghansayswe on October 05, 2025, 11:19:29 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 05, 2025, 10:51:26 PMExcellent! Would be terrible to see Heather Humphries get in on transfers. Hopefully, Catherine Connolly will see it home now ✨️
Terrible to see someone win by transfers. That is a strange take for an Irish election.
There won't be transfers in a 2 horse race.
Gavin is still on the ballot paper.
Someone wanting to make a point, say about Steen, could vote for him and put their real choice as no 2.
In theory Gavin could top the poll even though he's withdrawn? Strange that his name isn't removed.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 06, 2025, 11:06:50 AMQuote from: seafoid on October 06, 2025, 11:05:17 AMQuote from: upmonaghansayswe on October 05, 2025, 11:19:29 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 05, 2025, 10:51:26 PMExcellent! Would be terrible to see Heather Humphries get in on transfers. Hopefully, Catherine Connolly will see it home now ✨️
Terrible to see someone win by transfers. That is a strange take for an Irish election.
There won't be transfers in a 2 horse race.
Will Meehole throw FF weight behind Humphries now?
FF wouldn't do that if FG benefit
Did the honourable thing though it looks bad, reminds me of Conal McDevitt who resigned over a trivial enough matter of £6k payment from his PR firm.
This is why governments world over suffer so much dysfunction.
The snake type would just brazenly continue and maybe even win.
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2025/1006/1536984-presidential-election/
Jim Gavin's departure from this election left many in Fianna Fáil stunned last night but tellingly the party leader said it was the correct decision.
It is a move though that will raise fundamental questions about Micheál Martin's own judgement and his pursuit of a candidate shockingly ill-suited to this election race.
His highly controlled leadership style and top-down messaging will now come into focus as his colleagues try to make sense of the last 24 hours.
Plus, the likelihood of him leading the party after December 2027, when his time as Taoiseach is scheduled to conclude, has surely diminished too.
Fianna Fáil has effectively been plunged into crisis 24 hours before the Budget and some in Government believe they have strayed into uncharted territory.
Several party TDs spent yesterday out canvassing for Jim Gavin and had made plans to do so during the busy Budget days ahead.
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/06/jim-gavin-withdraws-presidential-election-latest-live-updates/#39530
The national executive committee (NEC) of Mandate Trade Union, which represents over 20,000 bar and retail workers across the country, has decided to endorse Catherine Connolly's candidature for President of Ireland.
In making its decision on Sunday, the NEC cited Connolly's stance on collective bargaining and workers' rights.
On foot of the decision, the union said it will be making direct contact with all of its members urging them to give their No 1 vote to Connolly on October 24th.
Quote from: seafoid on October 06, 2025, 12:03:59 PMhttps://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2025/1006/1536984-presidential-election/
Jim Gavin's departure from this election left many in Fianna Fáil stunned last night but tellingly the party leader said it was the correct decision.
It is a move though that will raise fundamental questions about Micheál Martin's own judgement and his pursuit of a candidate shockingly ill-suited to this election race.
His highly controlled leadership style and top-down messaging will now come into focus as his colleagues try to make sense of the last 24 hours.
Plus, the likelihood of him leading the party after December 2027, when his time as Taoiseach is scheduled to conclude, has surely diminished too.
Fianna Fáil has effectively been plunged into crisis 24 hours before the Budget and some in Government believe they have strayed into uncharted territory.
Several party TDs spent yesterday out canvassing for Jim Gavin and had made plans to do so during the busy Budget days ahead.
Micheál isn't a leader, he's one of those lads who tries to get out in front of the story after it's broke.
A Boris Johnson type character with less buffoonery.
Worst sort of slimy bollox you can get.
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/06/as-gavin-exits-aras-race-what-next-for-fianna-fail-micheal-martin-and-the-presidential-election/?An opinion poll in the Sunday Independent showed Connolly with a clear lead on 32 per cent, with Humphreys following on 23 per cent and Gavin trailing at 15 per cent. Counting second preferences, Connolly is in an extremely strong position. After an elimination of Gavin, and excluding don't knows, Connolly is projected to win by 53 per cent to 47 per cent
FF to meet on Wed to decide whether to endorse another candidate...i.e. Humphreys. MEP Barry Andrews has said he's going to vote for her.
Quote from: thebuzz on October 06, 2025, 12:14:35 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on October 05, 2025, 11:13:10 PMFirst bit of pressure and bit of dirty news found out about him and Jimbo jumps ship and to think GAA HQ put their faith in that individual to change the sport for the better ::)
Pity that Trump bollox hadn't given up as handy as Jimbo when faced with a few dodgy stories from the past and the odd indictment here or there. 😀😀😀
Could write a book on the dirty stuff on Trump however was zero chance he was to give up and used Musk billionaire lie Social machine to his advantage to influence dopey Americans. Good chance he would likely be prison right now if not re-elected. Smirky Jim was tame in comparison and at least had the decency to step down.
I was laid up for a few days and see what happens!!
Disaster for Taoiseach and the wing of FF that selected Gavin.
Will they now endorse HH as a Government candidate?
Quote from: Rossfan on October 06, 2025, 03:43:23 PMI was laid up for a few days and see what happens!!
Disaster for Taoiseach and the wing of FF that selected Gavin.
Will they now endorse HH as a Government candidate?
Taoiseach and "wing of FF that selected Gavin" are the same thing.
An endorsement now from FF/MM might be a mixed blessing for HH. She would have got 60% of Gavin transfers but a lower FF type voter turnout now could mean she gets less votes. A lot of FF voters will be reluctant to take guidance/dictats from MM and there is still a cohort in FF who won't vote for the blueshirts
Mad to think of the two issues that have left FF's candidates campaigns in tatters in recent times.
In the midst of a housing crisis, their presidential candidate's campaign is derailed over his dishonest actions as a landlord. Then the mind goes back to their proxy candidate Seán Gallagher's campaign crashing and burning in 2011, in the aftermath of the economic crash, when when he went on a tv debate talking about collecting envelopes of cash on behalf of FF.
You couldn't make it up.
Imagine the amount of corruption you dont know about.
Irish deserve it because they do nothing other than throw the head up. A conquered peasant mindset.
Does Heather humphries family history dissuade many southern voters?
Glorious
https://connachttribune.ie/local-fianna-fail-councillor-demands-dictator-micheal-martin-resign/
Quote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 02:27:42 PMQuote from: gallsman on October 02, 2025, 02:22:34 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 02:07:12 PMJeez. A page back, you were suggesting an article was too long for someone other than yourself to read, and now you're offering to define the phrases you use for me. Aren't we blessed to have someone with such breathtaking arrogance intelligence among us?
Oh don't worry, I do understand hyperbole. So while I undertand the hyperbole of "half the lads" and "freaking out", the central point you were making was that there would be numerous objections to the terms the candidates would use to refer to the north. It's quite clear there hasn't been any.
Your second, and wider point was that her use of language ("the Ukraine") is a matter of significance, yet not only has it not been an election issue, but in reality, outside of this board, who has even noticed?
Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear. The central point I was making was, shockingly, that language, or choice of language matters. I'd have thought that was pretty clear given I specifically finished my post with "language matters".
Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
Perhaps you missed the part of my post where I said that this was your wider point:
Quote from: gallsman on October 02, 2025, 02:22:34 PMYour second, and wider point was that her use of language ("the Ukraine") is a matter of significance
Don't worry. Maybe the post was a bit too long for you ;)
Missed this one, but that's a wonderful skewering ;D
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 06, 2025, 04:16:19 PMDoes Heather humphries family history dissuade many southern voters?
No.
Was going to spoil my vote.
But now I am going to give Jim Number 1 and give the rest nothing.
It will add to the embarrassment of this whole fiasco.
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 06, 2025, 04:16:19 PMDoes Heather humphries family history dissuade many southern voters?
Yes
Quote from: DaleCooper on October 06, 2025, 04:12:34 PMImagine the amount of corruption you dont know about.
Irish deserve it because they do nothing other than throw the head up. A conquered peasant mindset.
The North isn't much better.
The timeline of Jim Gavin's withdrawal and what it means for the Áras race | Indo Politics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqQEgm1zFYk
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 06, 2025, 04:16:19 PMDoes Heather humphries family history dissuade many southern voters?
At the outset I had HH in mind for No. 1 and CC for No. 2.
After the 2 debates the positions are reversed.
Those cheerleaders for the blocking of Maria Steen can see their folly now - a limited choice election.
Maria Steen had the pedigree and the support to be a candidate - unfortunately her path was blocked.
She played a key role in successfully influencing NO votes in last year's referendums.
I might or might not have given her a No. 1 or No. 2 - I would have waited for debates before forming an opinion.
It seems that many people form their opinion of her based on hearsay and perceptions.
Judging the two debates so far just on debating skills Catherine Connolly was head and shoulders above the other two candidates. She is fairly unflappable. Maria Steen would have given her a run for her money.
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on October 06, 2025, 05:56:43 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on October 06, 2025, 04:16:19 PMDoes Heather humphries family history dissuade many southern voters?
At the outset I had HH in mind for No. 1 and CC for No. 2.
After the 2 debates the positions are reversed.
Those cheerleaders for the blocking of Maria Steen can see their folly now - a limited choice election.
Maria Steen had the pedigree and the support to be a candidate - unfortunately her path was blocked.
She played a key role in successfully influencing NO votes in last year's referendums.
I might or might not have given her a No. 1 or No. 2 - I would have waited for debates before forming an opinion.
It seems that many people form their opinion of her based on hearsay and perceptions.
Judging the two debates so far just on debating skills Catherine Connolly was head and shoulders above the other two candidates. She is fairly unflappable. Maria Steen would have given her a run for her money.
Her late bid meant she ran out of time
to secure the final two signatures of the 20 needed to be on ballot paper.
Prediction
Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Then we will have 3 names on a ballot and only one person running
When it happens, remember where you heard it first
HH is easy money at 19/10
Steen only herself to blame, nobody else. Didn't come forward to late and didn't put in the hard yards to get the nominations which she probably would have.
Quote from: Franko on October 06, 2025, 04:35:16 PMMissed this one, but that's a wonderful skewering ;D
A skewering! Incredible stuff.
Quote from: seafoid on October 06, 2025, 05:40:14 PMQuote from: DaleCooper on October 06, 2025, 04:12:34 PMImagine the amount of corruption you dont know about.
Irish deserve it because they do nothing other than throw the head up. A conquered peasant mindset.
The North isn't much better.
The "themmuns" phenomenon tampers it somewhat, the scale of corruption and looting of state coffers is quite incredible in the Republic.
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on October 06, 2025, 05:56:43 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on October 06, 2025, 04:16:19 PMDoes Heather humphries family history dissuade many southern voters?
Maria Steen had the support to be a candidate -
Obviously hadn't!
Dr Martin Daly FF TD says he'll be voting HH.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 02, 2025, 01:10:01 PMQuote from: gallsman on October 02, 2025, 12:35:22 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2025, 12:02:31 PMThere is nitpicking and then there is this
Nonsense. If one of them was to say "Northern Ireland" rather than "the north of Ireland" or "the six counties" half the lads on this board would be freaking out. Language matters.
To qoute yourself: "Nonsense".
A quick google throws up examples of each of the three candidates saying "Northern Ireland" in just the past week. Care to quote some of the posts from "half the lads on this board" who have been no doubt been "freaking out" about it?
They're running for the presidency of Ireland not the free state. Therefore I'd expect the candidates not to recognise partition.
Too late for that.
Good Friday Agreement etc
Quote from: gallsman on October 06, 2025, 06:53:42 PMQuote from: Franko on October 06, 2025, 04:35:16 PMMissed this one, but that's a wonderful skewering ;D
A skewering! Incredible stuff.
Ach I wouldn't go that far, but if you say so.
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on October 06, 2025, 05:56:43 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on October 06, 2025, 04:16:19 PMDoes Heather humphries family history dissuade many southern voters?
At the outset I had HH in mind for No. 1 and CC for No. 2.
After the 2 debates the positions are reversed.
Those cheerleaders for the blocking of Maria Steen can see their folly now - a limited choice election.
Maria Steen had the pedigree and the support to be a candidate - unfortunately her path was blocked.
She played a key role in successfully influencing NO votes in last year's referendums.
I might or might not have given her a No. 1 or No. 2 - I would have waited for debates before forming an opinion.
It seems that many people form their opinion of her based on hearsay and perceptions.
Judging the two debates so far just on debating skills Catherine Connolly was head and shoulders above the other two candidates. She is fairly unflappable. Maria Steen would have given her a run for her money.
We will never know if she had the support because she didn't bother finding out herself. I think she might have gotten 4 rural councils. But she needed to get off her hole and go and visit them.
Quote from: DaleCooper on October 06, 2025, 07:06:29 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 06, 2025, 05:40:14 PMQuote from: DaleCooper on October 06, 2025, 04:12:34 PMImagine the amount of corruption you dont know about.
Irish deserve it because they do nothing other than throw the head up. A conquered peasant mindset.
The North isn't much better.
The "themmuns" phenomenon tampers it somewhat, the scale of corruption and looting of state coffers is quite incredible in the Republic.
Looting of state coffers? What are you on about?
Im sure he'll post the evidence of those 2 accusations shortly🙄
Meanwhile back in the real World the Presidential Returning Officer confirms, following consultation with the AG, that Gavin's name will remain on the Ballot papers.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 07, 2025, 08:37:20 AMIm sure he'll post the evidence of those 2 accusations shortly🙄
Meanwhile back in the real World the Presidential Returning Officer confirms, following consultation with the AG, that Gavin's name will remain on the Ballot papers.
There must be legal reasons around him winning a nomination but this should be looked at for future elections. A farcical situation in an important election.
Quote from: whitey on October 06, 2025, 06:24:05 PMPrediction
Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 07, 2025, 10:49:46 AMQuote from: whitey on October 06, 2025, 06:24:05 PMPrediction
Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Given the history of FFG, I'd wager that if something was to come out about one of the candidates, it wouldn't be Connolly.
None of the 3 candidates appealed to me, especially not Jim Gavin, so I was thinking of not voting, but now that Jim Gavin is gone but is still on the ballot paper, I reckon I'll just vote for Jim Gavin just in the hope of seeing the chaos that would ensue if he gets the most votes.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 10:51:24 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 07, 2025, 10:49:46 AMQuote from: whitey on October 06, 2025, 06:24:05 PMPrediction
Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Given the history of FFG, I'd wager that if something was to come out about one of the candidates, it wouldn't be Connolly.
I doubt anything could come out much worse for Connolly than her endorsement of Gemma O'Doherty for President. She's likely vanilla now.
To be honest I think Jim threw the towel in very easily. If he'd apologised, repaid the debt and gave the same amount again to a housing charity would anyone be talking about it in a weeks time? The news cycle moves fast and we aren't talking about a huge amount of money either.
Quote from: weareros on October 07, 2025, 11:02:29 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 10:51:24 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 07, 2025, 10:49:46 AMQuote from: whitey on October 06, 2025, 06:24:05 PMPrediction
Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Given the history of FFG, I'd wager that if something was to come out about one of the candidates, it wouldn't be Connolly.
I doubt anything could come out much worse for Connolly than her endorsement of Gemma O'Doherty for President. She's likely vanilla now.
Soft on Putin and Assad, hiring an Éirigí criminal, refusing to applaud Zelensky, Gemma, Moscow Mick Wallace, Kremlin Clare Daly...
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 07, 2025, 11:10:39 AMQuote from: weareros on October 07, 2025, 11:02:29 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 10:51:24 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 07, 2025, 10:49:46 AMQuote from: whitey on October 06, 2025, 06:24:05 PMPrediction
Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Given the history of FFG, I'd wager that if something was to come out about one of the candidates, it wouldn't be Connolly.
I doubt anything could come out much worse for Connolly than her endorsement of Gemma O'Doherty for President. She's likely vanilla now.
Soft on Putin and Assad, hiring an Éirigí criminal, refusing to applaud Zelensky, Gemma, Moscow Mick Wallace, Kremlin Clare Daly...
I see a list of things you don't agree with her about. I don't see anything corrupt.
P.s. She did clap Zelensky.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 11:18:52 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 07, 2025, 11:10:39 AMQuote from: weareros on October 07, 2025, 11:02:29 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 10:51:24 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 07, 2025, 10:49:46 AMQuote from: whitey on October 06, 2025, 06:24:05 PMPrediction
Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Given the history of FFG, I'd wager that if something was to come out about one of the candidates, it wouldn't be Connolly.
I doubt anything could come out much worse for Connolly than her endorsement of Gemma O'Doherty for President. She's likely vanilla now.
Soft on Putin and Assad, hiring an Éirigí criminal, refusing to applaud Zelensky, Gemma, Moscow Mick Wallace, Kremlin Clare Daly...
I see a list of things you don't agree with her about. I don't see anything corrupt.
P.s. She did clap Zelensky.
She's not above a bit of good old Irish nepotism though is she.
Gifting a council seat to her sister after she'd been recently rejected by the electorate. Tsk tsk.
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 07, 2025, 11:06:44 AMTo be honest I think Jim threw the towel in very easily. If he'd apologised, repaid the debt and gave the same amount again to a housing charity would anyone be talking about it in a weeks time? The news cycle moves fast and we aren't talking about a huge amount of money either.
Doubt anyone would care in a week is right, but he probably hadn't realised what he was getting himself in for by running and thought he peobably hadn't a realistic chance.
Or maybe he was plant to get rid of Meehole..
He's made himself look an awful dick out of it. This is near the first thing people will remember now. 5 in a rows, lauded rule changes but no he's now the guy who stole 3k of a tenant...
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 07, 2025, 11:48:04 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 11:18:52 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 07, 2025, 11:10:39 AMQuote from: weareros on October 07, 2025, 11:02:29 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 10:51:24 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 07, 2025, 10:49:46 AMQuote from: whitey on October 06, 2025, 06:24:05 PMPrediction
Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Given the history of FFG, I'd wager that if something was to come out about one of the candidates, it wouldn't be Connolly.
I doubt anything could come out much worse for Connolly than her endorsement of Gemma O'Doherty for President. She's likely vanilla now.
Soft on Putin and Assad, hiring an Éirigí criminal, refusing to applaud Zelensky, Gemma, Moscow Mick Wallace, Kremlin Clare Daly...
I see a list of things you don't agree with her about. I don't see anything corrupt.
P.s. She did clap Zelensky.
She's not above a bit of good old Irish nepotism though is she.
Gifting a council seat to her sister after she'd been recently rejected by the electorate. Tsk tsk.
So she's partial to a spot of nepotism, while Heather is someone who wanted to put disabled people through humiliating examinations to test thier suiability for work and who failed to seek planning permission on two buldings and told journalists who asked her about if to "f**k off and leave me alone". It's a toughie.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 12:10:51 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 07, 2025, 11:48:04 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 11:18:52 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 07, 2025, 11:10:39 AMQuote from: weareros on October 07, 2025, 11:02:29 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 10:51:24 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 07, 2025, 10:49:46 AMQuote from: whitey on October 06, 2025, 06:24:05 PMPrediction
Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Given the history of FFG, I'd wager that if something was to come out about one of the candidates, it wouldn't be Connolly.
I doubt anything could come out much worse for Connolly than her endorsement of Gemma O'Doherty for President. She's likely vanilla now.
Soft on Putin and Assad, hiring an Éirigí criminal, refusing to applaud Zelensky, Gemma, Moscow Mick Wallace, Kremlin Clare Daly...
I see a list of things you don't agree with her about. I don't see anything corrupt.
P.s. She did clap Zelensky.
She's not above a bit of good old Irish nepotism though is she.
Gifting a council seat to her sister after she'd been recently rejected by the electorate. Tsk tsk.
So she's partial to a spot of nepotism, while Heather is someone who wanted to put disabled people through humiliating examinations to test thier suiability for work and who failed to seek planning permission on two buldings and told journalists who asked her about if to "f**k off and leave me alone". It's a toughie.
Once doesn't cancel the other out.
If HH had pulled the council seat stunt, you'd be shouting all about it. But if Saint Catherine does it, it's not really a big deal. Sure.
This type of thing is rife, in Ireland and in Northern Ireland ;)
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 07, 2025, 12:14:10 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 12:10:51 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 07, 2025, 11:48:04 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 11:18:52 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 07, 2025, 11:10:39 AMQuote from: weareros on October 07, 2025, 11:02:29 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 10:51:24 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 07, 2025, 10:49:46 AMQuote from: whitey on October 06, 2025, 06:24:05 PMPrediction
Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Given the history of FFG, I'd wager that if something was to come out about one of the candidates, it wouldn't be Connolly.
I doubt anything could come out much worse for Connolly than her endorsement of Gemma O'Doherty for President. She's likely vanilla now.
Soft on Putin and Assad, hiring an Éirigí criminal, refusing to applaud Zelensky, Gemma, Moscow Mick Wallace, Kremlin Clare Daly...
I see a list of things you don't agree with her about. I don't see anything corrupt.
P.s. She did clap Zelensky.
She's not above a bit of good old Irish nepotism though is she.
Gifting a council seat to her sister after she'd been recently rejected by the electorate. Tsk tsk.
So she's partial to a spot of nepotism, while Heather is someone who wanted to put disabled people through humiliating examinations to test thier suiability for work and who failed to seek planning permission on two buldings and told journalists who asked her about if to "f**k off and leave me alone". It's a toughie.
Once doesn't cancel the other out.
If HH had pulled the council seat stunt, you'd be shouting all about it. But if Saint Catherine does it, it's not really a big deal. Sure.
This type of thing is rife, in Ireland and in Northern Ireland ;)
Indeed, one doesn't cancel the other out. I don't approve of nepotism from any quarter, but I'd still suggest co-opting a family member isn't as objectionable as humiliating the disabled, but that's just me.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 07, 2025, 12:14:10 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 12:10:51 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 07, 2025, 11:48:04 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 11:18:52 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 07, 2025, 11:10:39 AMQuote from: weareros on October 07, 2025, 11:02:29 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 10:51:24 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 07, 2025, 10:49:46 AMQuote from: whitey on October 06, 2025, 06:24:05 PMPrediction
Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Given the history of FFG, I'd wager that if something was to come out about one of the candidates, it wouldn't be Connolly.
I doubt anything could come out much worse for Connolly than her endorsement of Gemma O'Doherty for President. She's likely vanilla now.
Soft on Putin and Assad, hiring an Éirigí criminal, refusing to applaud Zelensky, Gemma, Moscow Mick Wallace, Kremlin Clare Daly...
I see a list of things you don't agree with her about. I don't see anything corrupt.
P.s. She did clap Zelensky.
She's not above a bit of good old Irish nepotism though is she.
Gifting a council seat to her sister after she'd been recently rejected by the electorate. Tsk tsk.
So she's partial to a spot of nepotism, while Heather is someone who wanted to put disabled people through humiliating examinations to test thier suiability for work and who failed to seek planning permission on two buldings and told journalists who asked her about if to "f**k off and leave me alone". It's a toughie.
Once doesn't cancel the other out.
If HH had pulled the council seat stunt, you'd be shouting all about it. But if Saint Catherine does it, it's not really a big deal. Sure.
This type of thing is rife, in Ireland and in Northern Ireland ;)
WTF? What a partitionist!
Just say Ireland.
Quote from: marty34 on October 07, 2025, 12:27:10 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 07, 2025, 12:14:10 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 12:10:51 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 07, 2025, 11:48:04 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 11:18:52 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 07, 2025, 11:10:39 AMQuote from: weareros on October 07, 2025, 11:02:29 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 10:51:24 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 07, 2025, 10:49:46 AMQuote from: whitey on October 06, 2025, 06:24:05 PMPrediction
Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Given the history of FFG, I'd wager that if something was to come out about one of the candidates, it wouldn't be Connolly.
I doubt anything could come out much worse for Connolly than her endorsement of Gemma O'Doherty for President. She's likely vanilla now.
Soft on Putin and Assad, hiring an Éirigí criminal, refusing to applaud Zelensky, Gemma, Moscow Mick Wallace, Kremlin Clare Daly...
I see a list of things you don't agree with her about. I don't see anything corrupt.
P.s. She did clap Zelensky.
She's not above a bit of good old Irish nepotism though is she.
Gifting a council seat to her sister after she'd been recently rejected by the electorate. Tsk tsk.
So she's partial to a spot of nepotism, while Heather is someone who wanted to put disabled people through humiliating examinations to test thier suiability for work and who failed to seek planning permission on two buldings and told journalists who asked her about if to "f**k off and leave me alone". It's a toughie.
Once doesn't cancel the other out.
If HH had pulled the council seat stunt, you'd be shouting all about it. But if Saint Catherine does it, it's not really a big deal. Sure.
This type of thing is rife, in Ireland and in Northern Ireland ;)
WTF? What a partitionist!
Just say Ireland.
That's just a wee private joke between myself and SnapChap.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 12:21:28 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 07, 2025, 12:14:10 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 12:10:51 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 07, 2025, 11:48:04 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 11:18:52 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 07, 2025, 11:10:39 AMQuote from: weareros on October 07, 2025, 11:02:29 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 10:51:24 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 07, 2025, 10:49:46 AMQuote from: whitey on October 06, 2025, 06:24:05 PMPrediction
Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Given the history of FFG, I'd wager that if something was to come out about one of the candidates, it wouldn't be Connolly.
I doubt anything could come out much worse for Connolly than her endorsement of Gemma O'Doherty for President. She's likely vanilla now.
Soft on Putin and Assad, hiring an Éirigí criminal, refusing to applaud Zelensky, Gemma, Moscow Mick Wallace, Kremlin Clare Daly...
I see a list of things you don't agree with her about. I don't see anything corrupt.
P.s. She did clap Zelensky.
She's not above a bit of good old Irish nepotism though is she.
Gifting a council seat to her sister after she'd been recently rejected by the electorate. Tsk tsk.
So she's partial to a spot of nepotism, while Heather is someone who wanted to put disabled people through humiliating examinations to test thier suiability for work and who failed to seek planning permission on two buldings and told journalists who asked her about if to "f**k off and leave me alone". It's a toughie.
Once doesn't cancel the other out.
If HH had pulled the council seat stunt, you'd be shouting all about it. But if Saint Catherine does it, it's not really a big deal. Sure.
This type of thing is rife, in Ireland and in Northern Ireland ;)
Indeed, one doesn't cancel the other out. I don't approve of nepotism from any quarter, but I'd still suggest co-opting a family member isn't as objectionable as humiliating the disabled, but that's just me.
Your natural reaction to CC's nepotism is 'whatabout ...'.
Total deflection.
Now it's nepotism 'from any quarter'. You can't even bring yourself to say 'Catherine Connolly's nepotism'.
You should start a cult. Buy some robes.
What is best term for the new President?
Her Holiness
Her Highness
Hulk Hogan
Or?
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Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Given the history of FFG, I'd wager that if something was to come out about one of the candidates, it wouldn't be Connolly.
I doubt anything could come out much worse for Connolly than her endorsement of Gemma O'Doherty for President. She's likely vanilla now.
Soft on Putin and Assad, hiring an Éirigí criminal, refusing to applaud Zelensky, Gemma, Moscow Mick Wallace, Kremlin Clare Daly...
I see a list of things you don't agree with her about. I don't see anything corrupt.
P.s. She did clap Zelensky.
She's not above a bit of good old Irish nepotism though is she.
Gifting a council seat to her sister after she'd been recently rejected by the electorate. Tsk tsk.
So she's partial to a spot of nepotism, while Heather is someone who wanted to put disabled people through humiliating examinations to test thier suiability for work and who failed to seek planning permission on two buldings and told journalists who asked her about if to "f**k off and leave me alone". It's a toughie.
Once doesn't cancel the other out.
If HH had pulled the council seat stunt, you'd be shouting all about it. But if Saint Catherine does it, it's not really a big deal. Sure.
This type of thing is rife, in Ireland and in Northern Ireland ;)
Indeed, one doesn't cancel the other out. I don't approve of nepotism from any quarter, but I'd still suggest co-opting a family member isn't as objectionable as humiliating the disabled, but that's just me.
Your natural reaction to CC's nepotism is 'whatabout ...'.
Total deflection.
Now it's nepotism 'from any quarter'. You can't even bring yourself to say 'Catherine Connolly's nepotism'.
You should start a cult. Buy some robes.
Whilst your reaction to me poiting out that she did in fact clap Zelensky when it was claimed by another poster that she didn't, was to randomly mention nepotsim surrounding her council seat. Whataboutery you say?
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Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Given the history of FFG, I'd wager that if something was to come out about one of the candidates, it wouldn't be Connolly.
I doubt anything could come out much worse for Connolly than her endorsement of Gemma O'Doherty for President. She's likely vanilla now.
Soft on Putin and Assad, hiring an Éirigí criminal, refusing to applaud Zelensky, Gemma, Moscow Mick Wallace, Kremlin Clare Daly...
I see a list of things you don't agree with her about. I don't see anything corrupt.
P.s. She did clap Zelensky.
She's not above a bit of good old Irish nepotism though is she.
Gifting a council seat to her sister after she'd been recently rejected by the electorate. Tsk tsk.
So she's partial to a spot of nepotism, while Heather is someone who wanted to put disabled people through humiliating examinations to test thier suiability for work and who failed to seek planning permission on two buldings and told journalists who asked her about if to "f**k off and leave me alone". It's a toughie.
Once doesn't cancel the other out.
If HH had pulled the council seat stunt, you'd be shouting all about it. But if Saint Catherine does it, it's not really a big deal. Sure.
This type of thing is rife, in Ireland and in Northern Ireland ;)
Indeed, one doesn't cancel the other out. I don't approve of nepotism from any quarter, but I'd still suggest co-opting a family member isn't as objectionable as humiliating the disabled, but that's just me.
Your natural reaction to CC's nepotism is 'whatabout ...'.
Total deflection.
Now it's nepotism 'from any quarter'. You can't even bring yourself to say 'Catherine Connolly's nepotism'.
You should start a cult. Buy some robes.
Am I missing something? Are you not entitled to co-opt who you wish?..
"She was elected to the Dáil for the Galway West constituency at the 2016 general election. Her sister, Colette Connolly, who had lost her seat as a Labour councillor in 2014, was co-opted as an independent to replace Catherine on Galway City Council."
Going to have to dig deeper than that to dish the dirt..
Whereas Gavin ripped off a tenant and obviously had no notion of paying him back.
No dirt on either candidate so far. Nothing to turn into a media frenzy. I see the pack has moved on to the budget.
Quote from: seafoid on October 07, 2025, 01:12:59 PMNo dirt on either candidate so far. Nothing to turn into a media frenzy. I see the pack has moved on to the budget.
Could be holding off to week before election with a big scandal to have most impact...
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/07/what-does-jim-gavins-withdrawal-mean-for-this-presidential-race-and-future-ones/
This is good news for Catherine Connolly," said Eoin O'Malley, associate professor in political science at Dublin City University, of the Independent TD and left-wing candidate, one of only two now running for the Áras.It is likely to further suppress the vote on the Government side. More Fianna Fáil people are likely to stay at home, there will be fewer votes going around – and [that will] ultimately make it harder for Heather Humphreys to win."
Aidan Regan, professor of political economy at University College Dublin, agreed that Connolly has been boosted by Gavin's decision. He said the Fianna Fáil vote could easily splinter in a number of ways.
Looking at the core of the Fianna Fáil base, some may get out to vote for Heather Humphreys – but some might choose to go with who they see as the more republican candidate [Connolly], some will stay at home and some will spoil their vote. So yes, I think it does benefit Catherine Connolly.
"It now becomes the establishment against the anti-establishment," said Gary Murphy, professor of politics at DCU. "The focus will become even more intense on both of them".
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Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Given the history of FFG, I'd wager that if something was to come out about one of the candidates, it wouldn't be Connolly.
I doubt anything could come out much worse for Connolly than her endorsement of Gemma O'Doherty for President. She's likely vanilla now.
Soft on Putin and Assad, hiring an Éirigí criminal, refusing to applaud Zelensky, Gemma, Moscow Mick Wallace, Kremlin Clare Daly...
I see a list of things you don't agree with her about. I don't see anything corrupt.
P.s. She did clap Zelensky.
She's not above a bit of good old Irish nepotism though is she.
Gifting a council seat to her sister after she'd been recently rejected by the electorate. Tsk tsk.
So she's partial to a spot of nepotism, while Heather is someone who wanted to put disabled people through humiliating examinations to test thier suiability for work and who failed to seek planning permission on two buldings and told journalists who asked her about if to "f**k off and leave me alone". It's a toughie.
Once doesn't cancel the other out.
If HH had pulled the council seat stunt, you'd be shouting all about it. But if Saint Catherine does it, it's not really a big deal. Sure.
This type of thing is rife, in Ireland and in Northern Ireland ;)
She was an independent. Nothing unusual about handing the seat to family member. Which is why this isn't a thing.
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 07, 2025, 11:06:44 AMTo be honest I think Jim threw the towel in very easily. If he'd apologised, repaid the debt and gave the same amount again to a housing charity would anyone be talking about it in a weeks time? The news cycle moves fast and we aren't talking about a huge amount of money either.
I think he did also, let's say if Bertie was the FF candidate and all the dirt the media could drag up on him but unlike Gavin he could use his charisma to carry him on until election time.
So now it transpires that Fianna Fáil/Micheal Martin were lying when they took to the airwaves yesterday to say they weren't didn't know about the Jim Gavin rental issue before they selected him.
The Indo contacted them about it on September 8th. The party selected him the next day.
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 07, 2025, 02:33:52 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on October 07, 2025, 11:06:44 AMTo be honest I think Jim threw the towel in very easily. If he'd apologised, repaid the debt and gave the same amount again to a housing charity would anyone be talking about it in a weeks time? The news cycle moves fast and we aren't talking about a huge amount of money either.
I think he did also, let's say if Bertie was the FF candidate and all the dirt the media could drag up on him but unlike Gavin he could use his charisma to carry him on until election time.
Bertie is/was a seasoned politician who could speak outrageous lies with the gift of the gab and the innocent smile of Saint Anthony on his face.
That Jim Gavin is not in any shape or form such a politician should not be held against his character and in any event his nomination and subsequent campaign was very poorly orchestrated by FF, ending in a total shambles of FF's creation
Quote from: Snapchap on October 07, 2025, 02:42:33 PMSo now it transpires that Fianna Fáil/Micheal Martin were lying when they took to the airwaves yesterday to say they weren't didn't know about the Jim Gavin rental issue before they selected him.
The Indo contacted them about it on September 8th. The party selected him the next day.
Interesting. The initial FF blurb was how they took him at face value when he said he was clean and there was an error in not vetting him properly. This raises more questions then it answers
Turns out the tenent in question is Niall Donald, deputy editor of the Sunday World.
Jaysis Jim. If you are going to rip someone off, maybe an influential media person isn't the wisest mark.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 07, 2025, 03:26:44 PMTurns out the tenent in question is Niall Donald, deputy editor of the Sunday World.
Jaysis Jim. If you are going to rip someone off, maybe an influential media person isn't the wisest mark.
Interestingly he held this card to use until now....knowledge is the real currency of power!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 07, 2025, 03:32:27 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 07, 2025, 03:26:44 PMTurns out the tenent in question is Niall Donald, deputy editor of the Sunday World.
Jaysis Jim. If you are going to rip someone off, maybe an influential media person isn't the wisest mark.
Interestingly he held this card to use until now....knowledge is the real currency of power!
Well....not quite now. He seemingly told the Indo, who then told FF, before Gavin was selected as their candidate. This is on Micheal Martin.
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Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Given the history of FFG, I'd wager that if something was to come out about one of the candidates, it wouldn't be Connolly.
I doubt anything could come out much worse for Connolly than her endorsement of Gemma O'Doherty for President. She's likely vanilla now.
Soft on Putin and Assad, hiring an Éirigí criminal, refusing to applaud Zelensky, Gemma, Moscow Mick Wallace, Kremlin Clare Daly...
I see a list of things you don't agree with her about. I don't see anything corrupt.
P.s. She did clap Zelensky.
She's not above a bit of good old Irish nepotism though is she.
Gifting a council seat to her sister after she'd been recently rejected by the electorate. Tsk tsk.
So she's partial to a spot of nepotism, while Heather is someone who wanted to put disabled people through humiliating examinations to test thier suiability for work and who failed to seek planning permission on two buldings and told journalists who asked her about if to "f**k off and leave me alone". It's a toughie.
Once doesn't cancel the other out.
If HH had pulled the council seat stunt, you'd be shouting all about it. But if Saint Catherine does it, it's not really a big deal. Sure.
This type of thing is rife, in Ireland and in Northern Ireland ;)
Indeed, one doesn't cancel the other out. I don't approve of nepotism from any quarter, but I'd still suggest co-opting a family member isn't as objectionable as humiliating the disabled, but that's just me.
Your natural reaction to CC's nepotism is 'whatabout ...'.
Total deflection.
Now it's nepotism 'from any quarter'. You can't even bring yourself to say 'Catherine Connolly's nepotism'.
You should start a cult. Buy some robes.
Whilst your reaction to me poiting out that she did in fact clap Zelensky when it was claimed by another poster that she didn't, was to randomly mention nepotsim surrounding her council seat. Whataboutery you say?
You stated she wasn't corrupt and I said 'she is not above a bit of good old Irish nepotism though'.
That's not whataboutery, you silly boy.
You even agreed she is 'partial' to a bit of the old nepotism yourself.
Dear oh dear.
Please do not be calling fellow members dunces, wow no need for such! Please remain calm
Quote from: jb77 on October 07, 2025, 06:46:31 PMPlease do not be calling fellow members dunces, wow no need for such! Please remain calm
Point taken, edited.
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Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Given the history of FFG, I'd wager that if something was to come out about one of the candidates, it wouldn't be Connolly.
I doubt anything could come out much worse for Connolly than her endorsement of Gemma O'Doherty for President. She's likely vanilla now.
Soft on Putin and Assad, hiring an Éirigí criminal, refusing to applaud Zelensky, Gemma, Moscow Mick Wallace, Kremlin Clare Daly...
I see a list of things you don't agree with her about. I don't see anything corrupt.
P.s. She did clap Zelensky.
She's not above a bit of good old Irish nepotism though is she.
Gifting a council seat to her sister after she'd been recently rejected by the electorate. Tsk tsk.
So she's partial to a spot of nepotism, while Heather is someone who wanted to put disabled people through humiliating examinations to test thier suiability for work and who failed to seek planning permission on two buldings and told journalists who asked her about if to "f**k off and leave me alone". It's a toughie.
Once doesn't cancel the other out.
If HH had pulled the council seat stunt, you'd be shouting all about it. But if Saint Catherine does it, it's not really a big deal. Sure.
This type of thing is rife, in Ireland and in Northern Ireland ;)
She was an independent. Nothing unusual about handing the seat to family member. Which is why this isn't a thing.
Nothing unusual with nepotism in Irish politics? Voters must be used to a very low standard with politicians to accept such contempt shown towards them. Her sister had just been rejected by the electorate. Poor stuff from CC.
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Quote from: Rossfan on October 07, 2025, 07:33:10 PMLatest odds
Paddypower CC 1/3. HH 9/4
Boylesports CC 8/13. HH 5/4
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Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Given the history of FFG, I'd wager that if something was to come out about one of the candidates, it wouldn't be Connolly.
I doubt anything could come out much worse for Connolly than her endorsement of Gemma O'Doherty for President. She's likely vanilla now.
Soft on Putin and Assad, hiring an Éirigí criminal, refusing to applaud Zelensky, Gemma, Moscow Mick Wallace, Kremlin Clare Daly...
I see a list of things you don't agree with her about. I don't see anything corrupt.
P.s. She did clap Zelensky.
She's not above a bit of good old Irish nepotism though is she.
Gifting a council seat to her sister after she'd been recently rejected by the electorate. Tsk tsk.
So she's partial to a spot of nepotism, while Heather is someone who wanted to put disabled people through humiliating examinations to test thier suiability for work and who failed to seek planning permission on two buldings and told journalists who asked her about if to "f**k off and leave me alone". It's a toughie.
Once doesn't cancel the other out.
If HH had pulled the council seat stunt, you'd be shouting all about it. But if Saint Catherine does it, it's not really a big deal. Sure.
This type of thing is rife, in Ireland and in Northern Ireland ;)
She was an independent. Nothing unusual about handing the seat to family member. Which is why this isn't a thing.
Nothing unusual with nepotism in Irish politics? Voters must be used to a very low standard with politicians to accept such contempt shown towards them. Her sister had just been rejected by the electorate. Poor stuff from CC.
Not an issue in this election. It's the council.. who cares? There's MLAs set their relatives up in big jobs in Stormont and all sorts of nepotism down Mexico... no-one will get too vexed bout this.
Find something else...
just for context, not justification.. some on here are unable to tell the difference though.
Colette Connolly has 3 times been elected as a Galway Councillor, twice labour and once Ind. Was not elected in 2014, an election where labour lost half its council seats and has since been the lord mayor of Galway, spending a total 18 years in total as a Councillor.
a bit like the far right giving out about the methods to get on the presidential ballot, if people aren't happy with the method of selecting a replacement Councillor then look to change it..
Who cares about her sister. It's the Ukraine all over again. Nobody in Ukraine cares about this.
It's insiders versus outsiders now.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 07, 2025, 08:01:53 PMjust for context, not justification.. some on here are unable to tell the difference though.
Colette Connolly has 3 times been elected as a Galway Councillor, twice labour and once Ind. Was not elected in 2014, an election where labour lost half its council seats and has since been the lord mayor of Galway, spending a total 18 years in total as a Councillor.
a bit like the far right giving out about the methods to get on the presidential ballot, if people aren't happy with the method of selecting a replacement Councillor then look to change it..
'Some on here are unable to tell the difference though'.
You think that gives you immunity from someone pointing out the obvious?
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Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Given the history of FFG, I'd wager that if something was to come out about one of the candidates, it wouldn't be Connolly.
I doubt anything could come out much worse for Connolly than her endorsement of Gemma O'Doherty for President. She's likely vanilla now.
Soft on Putin and Assad, hiring an Éirigí criminal, refusing to applaud Zelensky, Gemma, Moscow Mick Wallace, Kremlin Clare Daly...
I see a list of things you don't agree with her about. I don't see anything corrupt.
P.s. She did clap Zelensky.
She's not above a bit of good old Irish nepotism though is she.
Gifting a council seat to her sister after she'd been recently rejected by the electorate. Tsk tsk.
So she's partial to a spot of nepotism, while Heather is someone who wanted to put disabled people through humiliating examinations to test thier suiability for work and who failed to seek planning permission on two buldings and told journalists who asked her about if to "f**k off and leave me alone". It's a toughie.
Once doesn't cancel the other out.
If HH had pulled the council seat stunt, you'd be shouting all about it. But if Saint Catherine does it, it's not really a big deal. Sure.
This type of thing is rife, in Ireland and in Northern Ireland ;)
She was an independent. Nothing unusual about handing the seat to family member. Which is why this isn't a thing.
Nothing unusual with nepotism in Irish politics? Voters must be used to a very low standard with politicians to accept such contempt shown towards them. Her sister had just been rejected by the electorate. Poor stuff from CC.
Not an issue in this election. It's the council.. who cares? There's MLAs set their relatives up in big jobs in Stormont and all sorts of nepotism down Mexico... no-one will get too vexed bout this.
Find something else...
It's amazing how quickly something that would normally have everyone spewing becomes a non-issue when your favourite candidate was at it.
But sure aren't they all at it, to be sure, to be sure.
Quote from: seafoid on October 07, 2025, 10:12:13 PMWho cares about her sister. It's the Ukraine all over again. Nobody in Ukraine cares about this.
It's insiders versus outsiders now.
No one in Ukraine cares about Catherine Connolly. They very much care about the correct name of their country. 'The Ukraine'is an insult. You know nothing about it if you think otherwise.
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Something is going to come out about CC which will scuttle her candidacy and she'll have to abandon her bid
Plenty has come already about her. She'll brazen it all out.
Given the history of FFG, I'd wager that if something was to come out about one of the candidates, it wouldn't be Connolly.
I doubt anything could come out much worse for Connolly than her endorsement of Gemma O'Doherty for President. She's likely vanilla now.
Soft on Putin and Assad, hiring an Éirigí criminal, refusing to applaud Zelensky, Gemma, Moscow Mick Wallace, Kremlin Clare Daly...
I see a list of things you don't agree with her about. I don't see anything corrupt.
P.s. She did clap Zelensky.
She's not above a bit of good old Irish nepotism though is she.
Gifting a council seat to her sister after she'd been recently rejected by the electorate. Tsk tsk.
So she's partial to a spot of nepotism, while Heather is someone who wanted to put disabled people through humiliating examinations to test thier suiability for work and who failed to seek planning permission on two buldings and told journalists who asked her about if to "f**k off and leave me alone". It's a toughie.
Once doesn't cancel the other out.
If HH had pulled the council seat stunt, you'd be shouting all about it. But if Saint Catherine does it, it's not really a big deal. Sure.
This type of thing is rife, in Ireland and in Northern Ireland ;)
She was an independent. Nothing unusual about handing the seat to family member. Which is why this isn't a thing.
Nothing unusual with nepotism in Irish politics? Voters must be used to a very low standard with politicians to accept such contempt shown towards them. Her sister had just been rejected by the electorate. Poor stuff from CC.
Not an issue in this election. It's the council.. who cares? There's MLAs set their relatives up in big jobs in Stormont and all sorts of nepotism down Mexico... no-one will get too vexed bout this.
Find something else...
It's amazing how quickly something that would normally have everyone spewing becomes a non-issue when your favourite candidate was at it.
But sure aren't they all at it, to be sure, to be sure.
Is anyone on about it apart from you? A councillor co-opted by her sister.. and? 🤷
I wouldn't care who done that... wtf is a councillor in the scheme on things?!
Surely it's not necessary to quote multi-post threads such as above - most annoying.
Think of the energy costs to run data centres.
Some of the stuff posted is hard enough to stomach first time around without having it regurgitated,
It's the most annoying thing going, a few single posts drawn out over nearly a page. Just damn lazy!!
Again, looking a little closer to home, plenty on this board were awfully sore, justifiably so, about the DUP appointing ELP despite her history of being rejected by the electorate in South Belfast on more than one occasion. She isn't Jeffrey's sister either. I'd say if someone did a thorough enough search there'd have been quite a few objections on the board to Danny Healy Rae having his daughter co-opted onto Kerry CC back in 2016 as well.
Just because you can easily say "if the process is broken, fix the process" doesn't mean everyone is automatically being reproach.
Co-option is bullshit that, in my personal opinion, has no place in any modern democratic system. Is it more justifiable/permissible when the elected official making way is elected on a party platform? Perhaps.
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 07, 2025, 10:58:00 PMwtf is a councillor in the scheme on things?!
What's three grand in the scheme of things?
Quote from: gallsman on October 07, 2025, 11:15:19 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 07, 2025, 10:58:00 PMwtf is a councillor in the scheme on things?!
What's three grand in the scheme of things?
It's a lot of money to be conned out of by an unscrupulous landlord. And no notion of paying it back.
Was enough for him to jump ship...
The point is that in the overall scheme of things, three grand is, quite objectively, f**k all. It's not a life changing sum of money.
It's about the principle. It was a scummy thing to do regardless of the sum. Turning a blind eye and shouting "sure what do councillors matter" does nobody any favours. In the overall scheme of things of course.
Quote from: gallsman on October 07, 2025, 11:26:39 PMThe point is that in the overall scheme of things, three grand is, quite objectively, f**k all. It's not a life changing sum of money.
It's about the principle. It was a scummy thing to do regardless of the sum. Turning a blind eye and shouting "sure what do councillors matter" does nobody any favours. In the overall scheme of things of course.
You must have plenty of money if you think three grand is f**k all. To most people it is a lot of money... 16 years ago worth more . Jim should have said: "It's f*** all!" :)
The councillor thing has been put in the public domain. Doesn't seem to be an issue that calls for her to withdraw from the election.
Nobody said it was, as far as I can see. I don't think anyone called for her to stand aside.
The question, quite fairly (and like many, many others that apply to Humphreys too) given she's put herself up for election, is whether co-option of a family member, who had previously democratically lost her seat on Galway CC (again, quite fairly labelled as nepotism) is a reflection of a lack of principles.
As I said, there were howls of fury (no Snapchap, I don't have videos of anyone on the board staring at their phone and screaming at it the moment they heard the news) when ELP was brought back from the dead. If it was unacceptable from the DUP, why wouldn't it be unacceptable from an Irish presidential candidate?
Quote from: gallsman on October 07, 2025, 11:44:18 PMNobody said it was, as far as I can see. I don't think anyone called for her to stand aside.
The question, quite fairly (and like many, many others that apply to Humphreys too) given she's put herself up for election, is whether co-option of a family member, who had previously democratically lost her seat on Galway CC (again, quite fairly labelled as nepotism) is a reflection of a lack of principles.
As I said, there were howls of fury (no Snapchap, I don't have videos of anyone on the board staring at their phone and screaming at it the moment they heard the news) when ELP was brought back from the dead. If it was unacceptable from the DUP, why wouldn't it be unacceptable from an Irish presidential candidate?
That's the difference between an MLA and a councillor. You think anyone would have jumped up and down if ELP had been co-opted as a councillor? They're 10 to a penny being co-opted all the time -if you seen some of the ones elected around here down the years...
PRINCIPLE
Quote from: gallsman on October 08, 2025, 12:06:39 AMPRINCIPLE
We'll just have to disagree.. I don't think it's a big deal. Councillors co-opted all the time including relatives. Probly didn't raise an eyebrow when it happened. You put a lot of stock in being a councillor...
I would say the FF party picking Gavin over a lifelong member shows worse principles than Catherine selecting Colette Connolly.
It is nepotism, regardless if she was the best candidate or best one to represent Catherine voters views. In hindsight with 18 years service and elected Lord Major, the decision seems justifiable but I don't think anyone here is qualified to say it was or wasn't justified at the time but the context shows more than screaming (not literally) nepotism. Also, As Catherine was an independent she didn't have a party platform.
Maybe a fairer way is for the person who just lost out gets the seat but then 'they have been rejected by the electorate' too and it seems that's a major thing for some so then we are putting someone in who didn't put their name forward at all.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 08, 2025, 08:14:02 AM1) I would say the FF party picking Gavin over a lifelong member shows worse principles than Catherine selecting Colette Connolly.
It is nepotism, regardless if she was the best candidate or best one to represent Catherine voters views. In hindsight with 18 years service and elected Lord Major, the decision seems justifiable but I don't think anyone here is qualified to say it was or wasn't justified at the time but the context shows more than screaming (not literally) nepotism. 2) Also, As Catherine was an independent she didn't have a party platform.
Maybe a fairer way is for the person who just lost out gets the seat but then 'they have been rejected by the electorate' too and 3) it seems that's a major thing for some so then we are putting someone in who didn't put their name forward at all.
1) Complete and utter whataboutery. It's not us vs. them
2) Precisely. If you wanted, you could argue the toss that political parties are more justified in co-opting given that, despite the vote ultimately being personal, those on the same party platform can generally be assumed to share the same ideals, policies etc. I've already said I disagree with co-option completely.
3) You mean the fundamentals of democracy? Yes, they tend to be "a major thing for some".
1. apologises, just some context again, not a justification.
2. you asked a question re party platform and answered perhaps. Did I misunderstand your answer. What should happen in this instance in your opinion?
3. I didn't mean the fundamentals of democracy.. some leap there.
You don't think elections, and those who don't get elected not getting to take seats isn't fundamental democracy? Bit mad if you ask me.
I think co-opting should be banned in all circumstances. Special election, by-election whatever you want to call it is the only democratic option, pain in the ass though it may be. Nobody said democracy was easy. My point was that maybe your could argue (I wouldn't) that when someone is elected on a party platform, co-option of their replacement is perhaps more justified/tolerable than it is in the case of an independent, given there is presumably, despite the vote ultimately being personal, some degree of endorsement of said party platform.
Again I never stated what you are implying re fundamental democracy. I was speaking about the very specific circumstances within the Irish election process.
your idea is costly but more importantly would reward the bigger parties and I would argue isnt very fair (subjective). I haven't really considered it too much but the if 5 elected then offered to 6th 7th etc until someone takes it might just be best but then it might be someone who hold opposing views to those who left the role.
I think a by election is inappropriate in a multi seat stv system.
The party or group who won the seat are entitled to hold it till the next election.
Especially in Stormont elections with the divide there.
A fair point and a real consideration, but one that ignores the fact that for independents and smaller parties or loosely aligned groups, the vote is much more personal in nature.
As you mention Stormont, take Gerry Carroll in West Belfast for example. Obviously I can't and haven't spoken with everyone who votes for him, but I struggle to believe and you'd struggle to convince anyone with half a brain that his base is anything other than a highly personal one. Nobody in West Belfast is voting for the inspirational leadership of Dun Laoghaoire's own RBB. If something were to happen GC, why on earth should RBB and co get to decide who fills the seat?
Nobody cares about co-opting. Why not talk about policies?
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/10/06/what-on-earth-was-micheal-martin-thinking-jim-gavin-clearly-wasnt-ready/
Ms Connolly said she will "be a voice for peace, a voice to reflect positive neutrality, a voice that articulates the existential threat posed by climate change, and also a voice to reflect the essence of our community".
Can this still be considered a race?
It looks like last (wo)man standing will get the job.
I find it interesting that Micheál Martin knew about the €3k thing from the get go having been told by the person involved, knew he was deputy editor in the SW and couldn't suppress the story yet went ahead with Jim Gavin.
It tells you two things, he thinks it was no big deal to steal €3k from people and also that Jim would have enough browny points to ride it out.
Jim is a big name in the GAA, but we don't like thieving hoors in the landlord classes even if they've managed Dublin to x number of AI and Leinster titles.
Serious bad judgement for Micheál yet again.
It also tells you that Jim thought this would be an easy run and wasn't prepared for the level of scrutiny that he faced and looked entirely out of his depth with. He was ill prepared for this.
You need a serious thick skin for politics and public life.
Also,
your one Humphries and her husbands OO membership.
If she'd have owned it from the start she'd have rode it out by now, it's not as if the southern electorate have ever shown any distain for the OO before now.
Quote from: seafoid on October 08, 2025, 10:38:36 AMNobody cares about co-opting. Why not talk about policies?
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/10/06/what-on-earth-was-micheal-martin-thinking-jim-gavin-clearly-wasnt-ready/
Ms Connolly said she will "be a voice for peace, a voice to reflect positive neutrality, a voice that articulates the existential threat posed by climate change, and also a voice to reflect the essence of our community".
Connolly comes across as very genuine and a decent human being which is probably the top attribute we need as president.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2025, 10:45:56 AMQuote from: seafoid on October 08, 2025, 10:38:36 AMNobody cares about co-opting. Why not talk about policies?
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/10/06/what-on-earth-was-micheal-martin-thinking-jim-gavin-clearly-wasnt-ready/
Ms Connolly said she will "be a voice for peace, a voice to reflect positive neutrality, a voice that articulates the existential threat posed by climate change, and also a voice to reflect the essence of our community".
Connolly comes across as very genuine and a decent human being which is probably the top attribute we need as president.
Or seriously deluded.
As if Putin is going to reverse his tanks out of the Ukraine because The Catherine asks him in a polite way.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2025, 10:45:56 AMQuote from: seafoid on October 08, 2025, 10:38:36 AMNobody cares about co-opting. Why not talk about policies?
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/10/06/what-on-earth-was-micheal-martin-thinking-jim-gavin-clearly-wasnt-ready/
Ms Connolly said she will "be a voice for peace, a voice to reflect positive neutrality, a voice that articulates the existential threat posed by climate change, and also a voice to reflect the essence of our community".
Connolly comes across as very genuine and a decent human being which is probably the top attribute we need as president.
Genuine is just another word for obstinate and a person that opposes aid to Ukraine is hardly decent.
However, in addition to these qualities a President has to be able and wise, we do not want an unwise person as Head of State. There is a real doubt over the wisdom of someone who can condemned most of the countries in Europe.
Quote from: gallsman on October 07, 2025, 11:44:18 PMNobody said it was, as far as I can see. I don't think anyone called for her to stand aside.
The question, quite fairly (and like many, many others that apply to Humphreys too) given she's put herself up for election, is whether co-option of a family member, who had previously democratically lost her seat on Galway CC (again, quite fairly labelled as nepotism) is a reflection of a lack of principles.
As I said, there were howls of fury (no Snapchap, I don't have videos of anyone on the board staring at their phone and screaming at it the moment they heard the news) when ELP was brought back from the dead. If it was unacceptable from the DUP, why wouldn't it be unacceptable from an Irish presidential candidate?
We've been over this, gallsman. I know my post was maybe a bit long, but I thought you'd got there in the end. Do I have to try again, but with fewer big words? ;)
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 07, 2025, 06:22:10 PMYou stated she wasn't corrupt and I said 'she is not above a bit of good old Irish nepotism though'.
That's not whataboutery, you silly boy.
It's almost a textbook example of nepotism, "you silly boy".
But if it's nepotism you want to drag into it, I've absolutely no problem criticising it. It's a two horse race though and if the choice is between someone who gave a council seat to her sister, and a Thatcherite who wanted to humiliate the disabled by putting them through a demeaning examination to test their fitness for work and who tells journalists asking legitimate questions to "f**k off", then it's the easiest of easy choices. Connolly for President.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 08, 2025, 11:19:36 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2025, 10:45:56 AMQuote from: seafoid on October 08, 2025, 10:38:36 AMNobody cares about co-opting. Why not talk about policies?
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/10/06/what-on-earth-was-micheal-martin-thinking-jim-gavin-clearly-wasnt-ready/
Ms Connolly said she will "be a voice for peace, a voice to reflect positive neutrality, a voice that articulates the existential threat posed by climate change, and also a voice to reflect the essence of our community".
Connolly comes across as very genuine and a decent human being which is probably the top attribute we need as president.
Genuine is just another word for obstinate and a person that opposes aid to Ukraine is hardly decent.
However, in addition to these qualities a President has to be able and wise, we do not want an unwise person as Head of State. There is a real doubt over the wisdom of someone who can condemned most of the countries in Europe.
genuine is not another word for obstinate.
source for her opposing aid?
Thought she was entitled to tell the Chay Bowes/Paddy Cosgrave journalists to F off. She owns her constituency office, operates it as a business, and there's two derelict rooms upstairs she was using as storage. They made it sound like she built two residential buildings without planning permission and converted to office use, and denied people the ability to live there in a housing crisis. From the outside it looks in no way residential. It was such a nonsense scoop, that the story of her telling them to F off and leave her alone became the story. They'd be better off asking what former director Chay is up to these days.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 08, 2025, 11:24:19 AMWe've been over this, gallsman. I know my post was maybe a bit long, but I thought you'd got there in the end. Do I have to try again, but with fewer big words? ;)
You could simply try not being an obtuse twat for once?
Quote from: gallsman on October 08, 2025, 12:11:05 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 08, 2025, 11:24:19 AMWe've been over this, gallsman. I know my post was maybe a bit long, but I thought you'd got there in the end. Do I have to try again, but with fewer big words? ;)
You could simply try not being an obtuse twat for once?
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Quote from: weareros on October 08, 2025, 12:08:36 PMThought she was entitled to tell the Chay Bowes/Paddy Cosgrave journalists to F off. She owns her constituency office, operates it as a business, and there's two derelict rooms upstairs she was using as storage. They made it sound like she built two residential buildings without planning permission and converted to office use, and denied people the ability to live there in a housing crisis. From the outside it looks in no way residential. It was such a nonsense scoop, that the story of her telling them to F off and leave her alone became the story. They'd be better off asking what former director Chay is up to these days.
It wasn't even a scoop ffs, it was a hit piece from contrarian eejits who tried to frame it as a real "gotcha" moment by bringing planning and the housing crisis into it.
Same as the co-option, it's not in any way a big deal one that won't, and shouldn't, have any impact on the election.
Quote from: gallsman on October 08, 2025, 12:16:49 PMQuote from: weareros on October 08, 2025, 12:08:36 PMThought she was entitled to tell the Chay Bowes/Paddy Cosgrave journalists to F off. She owns her constituency office, operates it as a business, and there's two derelict rooms upstairs she was using as storage. They made it sound like she built two residential buildings without planning permission and converted to office use, and denied people the ability to live there in a housing crisis. From the outside it looks in no way residential. It was such a nonsense scoop, that the story of her telling them to F off and leave her alone became the story. They'd be better off asking what former director Chay is up to these days.
It wasn't even a scoop ffs, it was a hit piece from contrarian eejits who tried to frame it as a real "gotcha" moment by bringing planning and the housing crisis into it.
Same as the co-option, it's not in any way a big deal one that won't, and shouldn't, have any impact on the election.
And yet she
still couldn't even keep her cool when asked about it. Not very presidential.
Crime of the Century ::)
Is it a lesser or worse crime than CC using video of MDH without his permission.
Or HH video showing the Bundestag rather than Belfast City Hall?
Off with their heads!!
Quote from: Snapchap on October 08, 2025, 12:21:53 PMQuote from: gallsman on October 08, 2025, 12:16:49 PMQuote from: weareros on October 08, 2025, 12:08:36 PMThought she was entitled to tell the Chay Bowes/Paddy Cosgrave journalists to F off. She owns her constituency office, operates it as a business, and there's two derelict rooms upstairs she was using as storage. They made it sound like she built two residential buildings without planning permission and converted to office use, and denied people the ability to live there in a housing crisis. From the outside it looks in no way residential. It was such a nonsense scoop, that the story of her telling them to F off and leave her alone became the story. They'd be better off asking what former director Chay is up to these days.
It wasn't even a scoop ffs, it was a hit piece from contrarian eejits who tried to frame it as a real "gotcha" moment by bringing planning and the housing crisis into it.
Same as the co-option, it's not in any way a big deal one that won't, and shouldn't, have any impact on the election.
And yet she still couldn't even keep her cool when asked about it. Not very presidential.
Michael D called an American conservative talker a w**ker on radio.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 08, 2025, 01:42:02 PMCrime of the Century ::)
Is it a lesser or worse crime than CC using video of MDH without his permission.
Or HH video showing the Bundestag rather than Belfast City Hall?
Off with their heads!!
She failed to get planning permission on two dwellings. Who said it
was the crime of the century? Or even a major scandal in any way?
We're talking about suitability for the office of president. I would argue anyone who tells journalists asking perfectly fair questions to "f**k off", then maybe they aren't the best suited to the role.
Mind you, its her Thatcherite politics I'd be more turned off by than her short temper.
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 08, 2025, 02:04:18 PMMichael D called an American conservative talker a w**ker on radio.
To be fair it was the best bit of radio I ever listened to.
Quote from: gallsman on October 08, 2025, 10:09:30 AMA fair point and a real consideration, but one that ignores the fact that for independents and smaller parties or loosely aligned groups, the vote is much more personal in nature.
As you mention Stormont, take Gerry Carroll in West Belfast for example. Obviously I can't and haven't spoken with everyone who votes for him, but I struggle to believe and you'd struggle to convince anyone with half a brain that his base is anything other than a highly personal one. Nobody in West Belfast is voting for the inspirational leadership of Dun Laoghaoire's own RBB. If something were to happen GC, why on earth should RBB and co get to decide who fills the seat?
Because he is in a party. The party has a leadership, admittedly an unusual type.
This is just the reverse of the Wesst brit 'West Belfast are in charge' anti SF nonsense
Quote from: Snapchap on October 08, 2025, 12:21:53 PMQuote from: gallsman on October 08, 2025, 12:16:49 PMQuote from: weareros on October 08, 2025, 12:08:36 PMThought she was entitled to tell the Chay Bowes/Paddy Cosgrave journalists to F off. She owns her constituency office, operates it as a business, and there's two derelict rooms upstairs she was using as storage. They made it sound like she built two residential buildings without planning permission and converted to office use, and denied people the ability to live there in a housing crisis. From the outside it looks in no way residential. It was such a nonsense scoop, that the story of her telling them to F off and leave her alone became the story. They'd be better off asking what former director Chay is up to these days.
It wasn't even a scoop ffs, it was a hit piece from contrarian eejits who tried to frame it as a real "gotcha" moment by bringing planning and the housing crisis into it.
Same as the co-option, it's not in any way a big deal one that won't, and shouldn't, have any impact on the election.
And yet she still couldn't even keep her cool when asked about it. Not very presidential.
Exactly. She has always been a poor media performer. She doesn't have much in the way of composure. The story is now irrelevant. The snark is.
Overhead in the pub.
"Can you see anyone making soft toys and tea cosies about these three (as it was at the time) eejits"
PP just called it for connolly!!
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 08, 2025, 03:52:36 PMQuote from: gallsman on October 08, 2025, 10:09:30 AMA fair point and a real consideration, but one that ignores the fact that for independents and smaller parties or loosely aligned groups, the vote is much more personal in nature.
As you mention Stormont, take Gerry Carroll in West Belfast for example. Obviously I can't and haven't spoken with everyone who votes for him, but I struggle to believe and you'd struggle to convince anyone with half a brain that his base is anything other than a highly personal one. Nobody in West Belfast is voting for the inspirational leadership of Dun Laoghaoire's own RBB. If something were to happen GC, why on earth should RBB and co get to decide who fills the seat?
Because he is in a party. The party has a leadership, admittedly an unusual type.
This is just the reverse of the Wesst brit 'West Belfast are in charge' anti SF nonsense
What the absolute f**k are you talking about?
Quote from: OakLeaf on October 08, 2025, 02:28:59 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 08, 2025, 02:04:18 PMMichael D called an American conservative talker a w**ker on radio.
To be fair it was the best bit of radio I ever listened to.
Any links to that?
Quote from: Rossfan on October 08, 2025, 09:53:41 AMI think a by election is inappropriate in a multi seat stv system.
The party or group who won the seat are entitled to hold it till the next election.
Especially in Stormont elections with the divide there.
I think that's a terrible idea. Whilst Stormont may be an outlier as it's simply a sectarian headcount in a normal democracy by elections are more than important. Often if a government is preforming poorly or scandal-ridden by-elections can give them a bloody nose or trigger a shake-up. Likewise I'd have issue with a scandal-ridden candidate or party simply selecting another synchophant to cover their arse in the voting chamber.
Not to mention that an Independent would be free to co-opt anyone, no matter how unsuitable or unelectable, to the role of TD. That could be any ****, the McGregor's or Hutch's included.
Quote from: trileacman on October 08, 2025, 05:39:43 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 08, 2025, 09:53:41 AMI think a by election is inappropriate in a multi seat stv system.
The party or group who won the seat are entitled to hold it till the next election.
Especially in Stormont elections with the divide there.
I think that's a terrible idea. Whilst Stormont may be an outlier as it's simply a sectarian headcount in a normal democracy by elections are more than important. Often if a government is preforming poorly or scandal-ridden by-elections can give them a bloody nose or trigger a shake-up. Likewise I'd have issue with a scandal-ridden candidate or party simply selecting another synchophant to cover their arse in the voting chamber.
Not to mention that an Independent would be free to co-opt anyone, no matter how unsuitable or unelectable, to the role of TD. That could be any ****, the McGregor's or Hutch's included.
Don't put Hutch a category with that tr**p ffs.
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 08, 2025, 05:04:58 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on October 08, 2025, 02:28:59 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 08, 2025, 02:04:18 PMMichael D called an American conservative talker a w**ker on radio.
To be fair it was the best bit of radio I ever listened to.
Any links to that?
The guy was running rings around Michael D and Michael D flew into a rage and started screaming and yelling at him
Made a complete show of himself and exposed himself as nothing more than a blabbermouth with a nice dog
Trileac,Stormont already allows the party whose MLA dies, retires or whatever to co-opt a replacement.
Same in Euro Parliament and Councils here.
The Party or organisation won the seat,which should be theirs for the full term.
Whitey off his meds again.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 08, 2025, 07:03:52 PMTrileac,Stormont already allows the party whose MLA dies, retires or whatever to co-opt a replacement.
Same in Euro Parliament and Councils here.
The Party or organisation won the seat,which should be theirs for the full term.
Of relatively little importance so there isn't the need to drag the electorate to the polls to find a replacement. I stand by my earlier points in regards to national elections. More than one Prime Minister has been ousted because of a disappointing by-election result.
Quote from: whitey on October 08, 2025, 07:02:18 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on October 08, 2025, 05:04:58 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on October 08, 2025, 02:28:59 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 08, 2025, 02:04:18 PMMichael D called an American conservative talker a w**ker on radio.
To be fair it was the best bit of radio I ever listened to.
Any links to that?
The guy was running rings around Michael D and Michael D flew into a rage and started screaming and yelling at him
Made a complete show of himself and exposed himself as nothing more than a blabbermouth with a nice dog
I don't think we are talking about the same incident.
https://youtu.be/WwvMNkCruGw?si=8hEA7ZY8HVY8PbUt
Quote from: gallsman on October 08, 2025, 04:15:35 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 08, 2025, 03:52:36 PMQuote from: gallsman on October 08, 2025, 10:09:30 AMA fair point and a real consideration, but one that ignores the fact that for independents and smaller parties or loosely aligned groups, the vote is much more personal in nature.
As you mention Stormont, take Gerry Carroll in West Belfast for example. Obviously I can't and haven't spoken with everyone who votes for him, but I struggle to believe and you'd struggle to convince anyone with half a brain that his base is anything other than a highly personal one. Nobody in West Belfast is voting for the inspirational leadership of Dun Laoghaoire's own RBB. If something were to happen GC, why on earth should RBB and co get to decide who fills the seat?
Because he is in a party. The party has a leadership, admittedly an unusual type.
This is just the reverse of the Wesst brit 'West Belfast are in charge' anti SF nonsense
What the absolute f**k are you talking about?
You have decided Carroll gets his votes because he is nice, not for his positions or constituency work. His party apparently becomes irrelevant as a result and leadership in that Dublin should butt out. You parked there yourself.
I've heard this before. SF ad blah blah because of lads in West Belfast. Same nonsense.
We have cooption because running by elections for councillors or MEP's would be ruinesly expensive. Yes, it would be cleaner if prospective councellors registered their alternate ahead of the poll like MEP's do, but it is the system and does work.
Brilliant by Ml D.
Unfortunately the wankers have taken over the US since.
Barack Obama and Hillary bombed Libya. Obama gets the freedom of Dublin and Hillary is worshipped the insufferable denizens of the Malone Road faculty at QUB.
The good guys
Quote from: DaleCooper on October 08, 2025, 08:55:19 PMBarack Obama and Hillary bombed Libya. Obama gets the freedom of Dublin and Hillary is worshipped the insufferable denizens of the Malone Road faculty at QUB.
The good guys
Yeah imagine how bad you have to be to be worse than those pair of murdering c***ts.
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/08/taoiseach-apologises-to-party-over-disastrous-presidential-election-campaign/
Micheál Martin has apologised and acknowledged the "hurt and shock" of Fianna Fáil members as he addressed his party on its disastrous presidential election campaign.
The Taoiseach is understood to have told a packed meeting of his parliamentary party how he was sorry for how things had turned out and was "devastated" by the situation
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 08, 2025, 08:06:41 PMQuote from: gallsman on October 08, 2025, 04:15:35 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 08, 2025, 03:52:36 PMQuote from: gallsman on October 08, 2025, 10:09:30 AMA fair point and a real consideration, but one that ignores the fact that for independents and smaller parties or loosely aligned groups, the vote is much more personal in nature.
As you mention Stormont, take Gerry Carroll in West Belfast for example. Obviously I can't and haven't spoken with everyone who votes for him, but I struggle to believe and you'd struggle to convince anyone with half a brain that his base is anything other than a highly personal one. Nobody in West Belfast is voting for the inspirational leadership of Dun Laoghaoire's own RBB. If something were to happen GC, why on earth should RBB and co get to decide who fills the seat?
Because he is in a party. The party has a leadership, admittedly an unusual type.
This is just the reverse of the Wesst brit 'West Belfast are in charge' anti SF nonsense
What the absolute f**k are you talking about?
You have decided Carroll gets his votes because he is nice, not for his positions or constituency work. His party apparently becomes irrelevant as a result and leadership in that Dublin should butt out. You parked there yourself.
I've heard this before. SF ad blah blah because of lads in West Belfast. Same nonsense.
We have cooption because running by elections for councillors or MEP's would be ruinesly expensive. Yes, it would be cleaner if prospective councellors registered their alternate ahead of the poll like MEP's do, but it is the system and does work.
Where on earth did I say this? I think he's a f**king useless eejit to tell you the truth.
I said his vote was personal, as in they're voting for him. If he left and RBB decided to move to West Belfast, he'd not be getting that vote at all. I'm sure you're very close to it all in Balbriggan.
The latest dirt, again harsh given a barrister has to taken on clients, but if the shoe was on the other foot:
Catherine Connolly says she did represent banks in courts but fails to clarify whether it included home repossession cases
Áras candidate previously said claim by Fine Gael councillor made about time as barrister a 'cowardly attack'
Eavan Murray and Maeve McTaggart
October 8 2025 2:50 PM
O'Reilly's bar in Salthill faces out towards the choppy waters of Galway Bay, but it was the scene of a stormy exchange that Catherine Connolly described as "a cowardly personal attack".
The Independent TD was accused by a Fine Gael councillor of representing a bank in repossession cases despite "jumping up and down" about �housing and homelessness.
Clips of the interaction during a political panel with Councillor Frank Fahy five years ago are now appearing in WhatsApp groups as Galway TD Ms Connolly runs for the presidency.
In the footage, Mr Fahy says Ms Connolly "knows issues" on bank repossessions "where banks were putting people out on the street".
"That is a cowardly, personal attack," Ms Connolly says immediately.
"It's not a cowardly personal attack. It's fact. I asked you in the council chamber if you actually worked for Bank of Scotland Ireland and you said you did," Mr Fahy continues.
Ms Connolly responds: "When you are finished harassing me. That is a cowardly personal attack without even the courage to mention something. Let's look at housing. Please let's look at housing."
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"No, it's fact. It's fact," Mr Fahy replies.
Ms Connolly is a qualified barrister who once practised on the western courts circuit. Now she is running for the presidency and insists she has "no difficulty with scrutiny and accountability".
Except when it comes to answering questions about whether she did indeed work for financial institutions in repossession cases during the economic crash.
During a campaign stop yesterday at the offices of the charity Alone, the national organisation supporting older people, Ms Connolly repeatedly �evaded queries on whether the accusation she worked for the banks on repossessions was true.
What is clear is that Ms Connolly has said she worked for banks as a barrister. What is not clear is whether she represented them in repossession cases.
Yesterday, the candidate said she worked on "all sorts of cases" when she was a barrister in Galway before being elected to the Dáil in 2016, when she quit her legal work.
"In the course of my life as a barrister, I took all types of work. That's the role of a barrister – you take work where you get it and you do your best," she said.
Ms Connolly said she worked as a barrister "for every side".
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"For people who had committed offences, for banking institutions, for people on the other side of the pitch," she said.
"People who were going under in terms of orders for possession, absolutely. That's the work of a barrister, and you take it on professionally and you do it as professionally as you can."
Ms Connolly refused to say if she acted for banks in repossession cases: "I am not going to itemise what I did."
There is a principle in the legal world, known as the "cab-rank" rule, that a barrister accepts any work in an area where they practise. Clients are entitled to representation and accepting the work does not indicate the barrister supports their position.
Ms Connolly said she had represented both financial institutions and those "on the other side of financial institutions".
"It included work for financial institutions," she said.
"It included work for people on the other side of financial institutions. It included work for people who had committed crimes. It included work in family law, absolutely.
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"I'm not at liberty to go into the details of this work; as a barrister, I take a commitment to keeping confidential."
Ms Connolly said her work was �conducted in open court and was "all there for anybody to see".
"There is a duty as a professional barrister to take the brief and to do it as professionally as you can and to represent that person or entity as professionally as you can," she added.
As for the original comments made by Mr Fahy at the forum in Salthill five years ago, Ms Connolly declined to deny his accusations.
"I don't want to respond to comments that were made a long time ago by a certain Fine Gael councillor. I'll leave him to reflect on that," she said.
However, Mr Fahy is standing by his claim.
"I have challenged her twice. I challenged her once in a personal capacity in the council chamber one day. I asked her were the rumours I was hearing true," he said yesterday.
"That was around or before the 2014 election. There was nobody there but the two of us. I asked her did she work for a bank as a barrister against people who were unwilling or unable to pay their mortgages.
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"There was silence for about 20 or 30 seconds and the answer I got was, 'And I would work for you too, Frank'.
"I looked at her and I said, 'Catherine, I would rather eat dog dirt'.
"She didn't deny it. If there wasn't truth in that, she would have challenged me there and then to withdraw it."
Retired former councillor Pádraig Conneely also claimed he challenged Ms Connolly during a row in the council chamber, during which he accused her of "hypocrisy".
"I did challenge her in the chamber. It was initially a throw-away remark. She was talking about housing and I threw it up to her," he said.
"I said, 'you have some neck, aren't you representing banks that are evicting people from their homes? You have no authority to speak on housing. You are hypocritical.'
"And then a row developed. She said back to me, 'Oh, you are so personal. That is your way'.
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"I said, 'I am not personal at all. It is hypocrisy I don't like'."
"She used to criticise vulture funds all the time," he added.
After pausing her legal career when she became a TD, Ms Connolly was �often vocal about repossessions amid the housing crisis.
A year into her time in the Dáil, she was among protesters campaigning about Galway's growing accommodation shortage and calling on the city council to declare a housing emergency.
Ms Connolly was a member of the Galway Housing Action Group, which staged protests and called for a freeze on all further repossessions due to mortgage difficulties.
The group also started giving away tea and coffee at the Galway repossession court.
The court was held on the last Tuesday of every month and heard anywhere between 80 and 100 repossession cases each session.
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The action group Ms Connolly was a member of also warned at the time that the housing situation was likely to get worse, as 50,000 people were in arrears of two years or more with their mortgage and were at risk of repossession.
"Where will they go? Twenty people sleep rough on our streets every night and a huge amount of people, including Travellers, students, couples, families and single people are failing to find suitable affordable accommodation in the private sector in Galway city," a spokesperson for the group told the Galway Advertiser in 2017.
Now though, the presidential candidate is less than vocal about her legal work.
What will CC say about peace having broken out in Gaza?
Quote from: armaghniac on October 09, 2025, 01:02:56 AMWhat will CC say about peace having broken out in Gaza?
Not be like the farmer (and many leaders) who come out of the basement after the hurricane, when all around was devastation, and said: "ain't it grand the wind stopped blowing".
She'll probably say: "that was genocide and Israel's leaders should be in the Hague for war crimes as should those who aided them"
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 09, 2025, 01:06:37 AMQuote from: armaghniac on October 09, 2025, 01:02:56 AMWhat will CC say about peace having broken out in Gaza?
Not be like the farmer (and many leaders) who come out of the basement after the hurricane, when all around was devastation, and said: "ain't it grand the wind stopped blowing".
She'll probably say: "that was genocide and Israel's leaders should be in the Hague for war crimes as should those who aided them"
100%.
Does anyone trust the Israeli c***ts to uphold the peace for any length of time? They'll miraculously find some excuse to start murdering again.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 09, 2025, 01:02:56 AMWhat will CC say about peace having broken out in Gaza?
There is famine. Israel murdered over 100,000 people. She's more likely to focus on that.
Peace without justice is meaningless.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 09, 2025, 01:02:56 AMWhat will CC say about peace having broken out in Gaza?
I hope nothing as crass and childish as this anyway
Quote from: seafoid on October 09, 2025, 01:30:19 PMQuote from: armaghniac on October 09, 2025, 01:02:56 AMWhat will CC say about peace having broken out in Gaza?
There is famine. Israel murdered over 100,000 people. She's more likely to focus on that.
Peace without justice is meaningless.
She keeps shouting for peace at all costs in 'The Ukraine'. There won't be justice there at that rate.
https://www.rte.ie/news/presidential-election/2025/1009/1537612-presidential-election/
Presidential candidate Catherine Connolly has said Fine Gael are "absolutely scared" of the momentum behind her campaign.
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 09, 2025, 02:10:45 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 09, 2025, 01:30:19 PMQuote from: armaghniac on October 09, 2025, 01:02:56 AMWhat will CC say about peace having broken out in Gaza?
There is famine. Israel murdered over 100,000 people. She's more likely to focus on that.
Peace without justice is meaningless.
She keeps shouting for peace at all costs in 'The Ukraine'. There won't be justice there at that rate.
If Catherine Connolly and those with a similar mindset had gotten their wishes with regard to military aid, Ukraine would have been obliterated long ago.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 09, 2025, 04:24:58 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 09, 2025, 02:10:45 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 09, 2025, 01:30:19 PMQuote from: armaghniac on October 09, 2025, 01:02:56 AMWhat will CC say about peace having broken out in Gaza?
There is famine. Israel murdered over 100,000 people. She's more likely to focus on that.
Peace without justice is meaningless.
She keeps shouting for peace at all costs in 'The Ukraine'. There won't be justice there at that rate.
If Catherine Connolly and those with a similar mindset had gotten their wishes with regard to military aid, Ukraine would have been obliterated long ago.
Like Gaza? with the support of those with a FG/FF mindset?
Jim Gavin's posters are still up.
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 09, 2025, 04:53:01 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 09, 2025, 04:24:58 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 09, 2025, 02:10:45 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 09, 2025, 01:30:19 PMQuote from: armaghniac on October 09, 2025, 01:02:56 AMWhat will CC say about peace having broken out in Gaza?
There is famine. Israel murdered over 100,000 people. She's more likely to focus on that.
Peace without justice is meaningless.
She keeps shouting for peace at all costs in 'The Ukraine'. There won't be justice there at that rate.
If Catherine Connolly and those with a similar mindset had gotten their wishes with regard to military aid, Ukraine would have been obliterated long ago.
Like Gaza? with the support of those with a FG/FF mindset?
Yes, exactly like Gaza and exactly like the areas of Ukraine that look like Gaza thanks to the Russians.
So, she's not that much different from those of a FF/FG mindset that were/are completely indifferent/useless to the plight of Gazans? That what you're saying? Think I might agree with you there.
Glad we're making progress.
Quote from: seafoid on October 09, 2025, 05:07:03 PMJim Gavin's posters are still up.
Unlikely, but what happens if he wins?
He'll thanks the people for voting for him and take the job in accordance with the peoples' wishes?
No doubt who RTÉ, Irish Daily Mirror and other media outlets are backing judging by their headlines and soundbites on social media. Trying to do same job on Catherine Connolly that the English media did on Jeremy Corbyn... and that bias drip-drip approach does get into people's minds...
Add the Independent to that... wtf!
Headline:
"Debate sparks fly as Heather Humphreys links Catherine Connolly to Neville Chamberlain's 1930s appeasement of Hitler.."
Quote from: johnnycool on October 08, 2025, 10:45:49 AMit's not as if the southern electorate have ever shown any distain for the OO before now.
Yeah, we constantly vote them in...
The f**k does that even mean
Quote from: Rossfan on October 09, 2025, 08:01:00 PMHe'll thanks the people for voting for him and take the job in accordance with the peoples' wishes?
Presumably. Would be a dead rubber from day 1, but could be an inspired tactic. Home for a cuppa while the other two slit each other's throats. Don't bother with the campaigning bit, dump the party who backed him in the shite and still get the gig. That's the tactical nous the Hill came to love.
Connolly's constant refrain that Ireland must use its voice to promote peace.
We seem to have a massively overinflated perception that anyone actually listens to us.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on October 09, 2025, 11:47:41 PMConnolly's constant refrain that Ireland must use its voice to promote peace.
We seem to have a massively overinflated perception that anyone actually listens to us.
There's nothing wrong with calling for peace but you also have to live in the real world. Connolly lives with her head in the clouds and seems unable to put herself into the shoes of others.
Worse, she actually dismisses the fears of others and sees their efforts to join a military alliance for their own safety as warmongering.
It's victim blaming, pure and simple. She prefers to see things from the POV of the imperial aggressor who wishes to be able to bully, intimidate and invade their neighbour at will. So actually, I wasn't quite accurate, she seems well able to slip on Russian shoes. Just like when she provided some 'context' during the Skripal poisoning episode.
The former Estonian president had his fill of the same shite from Higgins and rightly called him out in it.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 09, 2025, 11:43:04 PMQuote from: johnnycool on October 08, 2025, 10:45:49 AMit's not as if the southern electorate have ever shown any distain for the OO before now.
Yeah, we constantly vote them in...
The f**k does that even mean
Electorate was probably a poor choice of word, but the point still stands as it means they've been sectarian bigots since their inception up to their peak bigotry at Drumcree and not one shiny fúck did the southern politicians or media give back then.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on October 09, 2025, 11:47:41 PMConnolly's constant refrain that Ireland must use its voice to promote peace.
We seem to have a massively overinflated perception that anyone actually listens to us.
So she can call it "The Ukraine" all the wants then?
Quote from: Snapchap on October 10, 2025, 08:41:21 AMQuote from: Bord na Mona man on October 09, 2025, 11:47:41 PMConnolly's constant refrain that Ireland must use its voice to promote peace.
We seem to have a massively overinflated perception that anyone actually listens to us.
So she can call it "The Ukraine" all the wants then?
She can call it what she wants, global diplomacy is not her strong point.
Does she really think Putin, or Netenyahu, or any other tyrant is going to heed her calls for peace?
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on October 10, 2025, 09:01:22 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 10, 2025, 08:41:21 AMQuote from: Bord na Mona man on October 09, 2025, 11:47:41 PMConnolly's constant refrain that Ireland must use its voice to promote peace.
We seem to have a massively overinflated perception that anyone actually listens to us.
So she can call it "The Ukraine" all the wants then?
She can call it what she wants, global diplomacy is not her strong point.
Does she really think Putin, or Netenyahu, or any other tyrant is going to heed her calls for peace?
some on here do.. she is just joining the global calls for peace instead of calls for more war.
I disagree that global diplomacy is not her strong point. I believe global diplomacy is speaking out against genocide and those who arm it or those who purse war over peace, regardless if they are considered ally or foe, for example. But as you say, those leaders won't heed her calls, it doesn't mean she shouldn't speak up.
Put the problem is if war is declared on you, then the choice for war or peace is taken out of your hands. It's the aggressor who has made the decision. You can't decide peace when you're being attacked. War has been trust upon you. You don't get to make the decision for peace. It's like the auld discussion when you go a man up in the GAA. Who do you leave in the spare role? The reality is you don't get to make that decision. The other team decides it by who they leave free. If war is delivered to your door, the choice for peace has been removed for you.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2025, 09:41:35 AMPut the problem is if war is declared on you, then the choice for war or peace is taken out of your hands. It's the aggressor who has made the decision. You can't decide peace when you're being attacked. War has been trust upon you. You don't get to make the decision for peace. It's like the auld discussion when you go a man up in the GAA. Who do you leave in the spare role? The reality is you don't get to make that decision. The other team decides it by who they leave free. If war is delivered to your door, the choice for peace has been removed for you.
how do wars end? no one disputing who invaded who. But there are choices about diplomatic efforts or war efforts, Europe and US choose war, and imo both through that choice and there actual war support have let the Ukrainians down.
but this thread is is about the election..
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 10, 2025, 09:50:57 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2025, 09:41:35 AMPut the problem is if war is declared on you, then the choice for war or peace is taken out of your hands. It's the aggressor who has made the decision. You can't decide peace when you're being attacked. War has been trust upon you. You don't get to make the decision for peace. It's like the auld discussion when you go a man up in the GAA. Who do you leave in the spare role? The reality is you don't get to make that decision. The other team decides it by who they leave free. If war is delivered to your door, the choice for peace has been removed for you.
how do wars end? no one disputing who invaded who. But there are choices about diplomatic efforts or war efforts, Europe and US choose war, and imo both through that choice and there actual war support have let the Ukrainians down.
but this thread is is about the election..
Not disputing who invaded who but also states 'Europe and the US chose war'.
Tankieism is all its logic defying glory.
Before getting back to the boring election why are some on the left still pro Russian?
Russia is a right wing ethno Nationalist dictatorship.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 10, 2025, 09:58:01 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 10, 2025, 09:50:57 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2025, 09:41:35 AMPut the problem is if war is declared on you, then the choice for war or peace is taken out of your hands. It's the aggressor who has made the decision. You can't decide peace when you're being attacked. War has been trust upon you. You don't get to make the decision for peace. It's like the auld discussion when you go a man up in the GAA. Who do you leave in the spare role? The reality is you don't get to make that decision. The other team decides it by who they leave free. If war is delivered to your door, the choice for peace has been removed for you.
how do wars end? no one disputing who invaded who. But there are choices about diplomatic efforts or war efforts, Europe and US choose war, and imo both through that choice and there actual war support have let the Ukrainians down.
but this thread is is about the election..
Not disputing who invaded who but also states 'Europe and the US chose war'.
Tankieism is all its logic defying glory.
in this context...as a response!!! they could have chose to do nothing either...
Quote from: Rossfan on October 10, 2025, 09:59:28 AMBefore getting back to the boring election why are some on the left still pro Russian?
Russia is a right wing ethno Nationalist dictatorship.
pro russian? does this include those labelled as tankies? people who call for peace? who on the left? or is it a general comment about people on the left... from the US you see right wing people pro Russian.. I'd sure its the same in ireland
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 10, 2025, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 10, 2025, 09:58:01 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 10, 2025, 09:50:57 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2025, 09:41:35 AMPut the problem is if war is declared on you, then the choice for war or peace is taken out of your hands. It's the aggressor who has made the decision. You can't decide peace when you're being attacked. War has been trust upon you. You don't get to make the decision for peace. It's like the auld discussion when you go a man up in the GAA. Who do you leave in the spare role? The reality is you don't get to make that decision. The other team decides it by who they leave free. If war is delivered to your door, the choice for peace has been removed for you.
how do wars end? no one disputing who invaded who. But there are choices about diplomatic efforts or war efforts, Europe and US choose war, and imo both through that choice and there actual war support have let the Ukrainians down.
but this thread is is about the election..
Not disputing who invaded who but also states 'Europe and the US chose war'.
Tankieism is all its logic defying glory.
in this context...as a response!!! they could have chose to do nothing either...
They didn't choose war, they chose to help Ukraine defend itself.
Well, Germany actually initially did choose to do nothing (helmets anyone?).
Russia chose war. Russia and Russia alone.
You make no distinction between victim and aggressor. You and those like you engage in nothing other than victim blaming.
Ukraine for not laying down and for fighting back.
Estonia et al for wanting to join a defensive alliance to protect themselves.
Western 'anti-imperialists' - the biggest hypocrites and bunch of charlatans on the planet.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 10, 2025, 09:50:57 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2025, 09:41:35 AMPut the problem is if war is declared on you, then the choice for war or peace is taken out of your hands. It's the aggressor who has made the decision. You can't decide peace when you're being attacked. War has been trust upon you. You don't get to make the decision for peace. It's like the auld discussion when you go a man up in the GAA. Who do you leave in the spare role? The reality is you don't get to make that decision. The other team decides it by who they leave free. If war is delivered to your door, the choice for peace has been removed for you.
how do wars end? no one disputing who invaded who. But there are choices about diplomatic efforts or war efforts, Europe and US choose war, and imo both through that choice and there actual war support have let the Ukrainians down.
but this thread is is about the election..
They end when there's an acceptable deal on the table for both sides. They can not end before that regardless of diplomatic efforts. But that's an aside. It was not Ukraine who chose war. The option of peace was removed from them by an aggressor.
But you're right this thread should be more about the election.
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2025/1010/1537809-nobel-peace-prize/
Venezuela opposition leader Maria Corina Machado awarded Nobel Peace Prize
Quote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2025, 11:10:51 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 10, 2025, 09:50:57 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2025, 09:41:35 AMPut the problem is if war is declared on you, then the choice for war or peace is taken out of your hands. It's the aggressor who has made the decision. You can't decide peace when you're being attacked. War has been trust upon you. You don't get to make the decision for peace. It's like the auld discussion when you go a man up in the GAA. Who do you leave in the spare role? The reality is you don't get to make that decision. The other team decides it by who they leave free. If war is delivered to your door, the choice for peace has been removed for you.
how do wars end? no one disputing who invaded who. But there are choices about diplomatic efforts or war efforts, Europe and US choose war, and imo both through that choice and there actual war support have let the Ukrainians down.
but this thread is is about the election..
They end when there's an acceptable deal on the table for both sides. They can not end before that regardless of diplomatic efforts. But that's an aside. It was not Ukraine who chose war. The option of peace was removed from them by an aggressor.
But you're right this thread should be more about the election.
you are saying a deal is required before diplomatic efforts, I believe it is diplomatic efforts that lead to deals and peace.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 10, 2025, 10:48:39 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 10, 2025, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 10, 2025, 09:58:01 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 10, 2025, 09:50:57 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2025, 09:41:35 AMPut the problem is if war is declared on you, then the choice for war or peace is taken out of your hands. It's the aggressor who has made the decision. You can't decide peace when you're being attacked. War has been trust upon you. You don't get to make the decision for peace. It's like the auld discussion when you go a man up in the GAA. Who do you leave in the spare role? The reality is you don't get to make that decision. The other team decides it by who they leave free. If war is delivered to your door, the choice for peace has been removed for you.
how do wars end? no one disputing who invaded who. But there are choices about diplomatic efforts or war efforts, Europe and US choose war, and imo both through that choice and there actual war support have let the Ukrainians down.
but this thread is is about the election..
Not disputing who invaded who but also states 'Europe and the US chose war'.
Tankieism is all its logic defying glory.
in this context...as a response!!! they could have chose to do nothing either...
They didn't choose war, they chose to help Ukraine defend itself.
Well, Germany actually initially did choose to do nothing (helmets anyone?).
Russia chose war. Russia and Russia alone.
You make no distinction between victim and aggressor. You and those like you engage in nothing other than victim blaming.
Ukraine for not laying down and for fighting back.
Estonia et al for wanting to join a defensive alliance to protect themselves.
Western 'anti-imperialists' - the biggest hypocrites and bunch of charlatans on the planet.
I should have know better to engage with you again.
how did they chose to defend Ukraine? they had a choice and they chose to support war not peace.
I am in no way blaming Ukraine or saying Russia didn't start the war with invasion. as I have said the Ukraine (only to annoy you)has been let down by the US and Europe, they neither did enough to bring about peace or to defeat Russia militarily. Their motives imo are questionable.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 10, 2025, 12:29:14 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2025, 11:10:51 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 10, 2025, 09:50:57 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2025, 09:41:35 AMPut the problem is if war is declared on you, then the choice for war or peace is taken out of your hands. It's the aggressor who has made the decision. You can't decide peace when you're being attacked. War has been trust upon you. You don't get to make the decision for peace. It's like the auld discussion when you go a man up in the GAA. Who do you leave in the spare role? The reality is you don't get to make that decision. The other team decides it by who they leave free. If war is delivered to your door, the choice for peace has been removed for you.
how do wars end? no one disputing who invaded who. But there are choices about diplomatic efforts or war efforts, Europe and US choose war, and imo both through that choice and there actual war support have let the Ukrainians down.
but this thread is is about the election..
They end when there's an acceptable deal on the table for both sides. They can not end before that regardless of diplomatic efforts. But that's an aside. It was not Ukraine who chose war. The option of peace was removed from them by an aggressor.
But you're right this thread should be more about the election.
you are saying a deal is required before diplomatic efforts, I believe it is diplomatic efforts that lead to deals and peace.
Who decided there would be no more diplomatic efforts? Oh yes, that's right, it was Russia, when they invaded.
How did Trump's recent diplomatic efforts go? You know, even when he was going to hand Russia everything they wanted and was putting pressure on Ukraine.
You can't have 'diplomatic efforts' when one side isn't interested.
Can I add tankie into today's chatter? Thanks
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 10, 2025, 12:29:14 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2025, 11:10:51 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 10, 2025, 09:50:57 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2025, 09:41:35 AMPut the problem is if war is declared on you, then the choice for war or peace is taken out of your hands. It's the aggressor who has made the decision. You can't decide peace when you're being attacked. War has been trust upon you. You don't get to make the decision for peace. It's like the auld discussion when you go a man up in the GAA. Who do you leave in the spare role? The reality is you don't get to make that decision. The other team decides it by who they leave free. If war is delivered to your door, the choice for peace has been removed for you.
how do wars end? no one disputing who invaded who. But there are choices about diplomatic efforts or war efforts, Europe and US choose war, and imo both through that choice and there actual war support have let the Ukrainians down.
but this thread is is about the election..
They end when there's an acceptable deal on the table for both sides. They can not end before that regardless of diplomatic efforts. But that's an aside. It was not Ukraine who chose war. The option of peace was removed from them by an aggressor.
But you're right this thread should be more about the election.
you are saying a deal is required before diplomatic efforts, I believe it is diplomatic efforts that lead to deals and peace.
I'm not saying that. But I am saying a war isn't over till there is an agreement. Therefore peace is not achieved until both parties accept a deal. So again the decision of war lies with one side in this.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on October 09, 2025, 11:47:41 PMConnolly's constant refrain that Ireland must use its voice to promote peace.
We seem to have a massively overinflated perception that anyone actually listens to us.
Some would say The Skibbereen Eagle started that trend in late 1800s when it warned the Tsar of Russia in an editorial that it was keeping its eye on him.
Quote from: johnnycool on October 10, 2025, 07:55:09 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 09, 2025, 11:43:04 PMQuote from: johnnycool on October 08, 2025, 10:45:49 AMit's not as if the southern electorate have ever shown any distain for the OO before now.
Yeah, we constantly vote them in...
The f**k does that even mean
Electorate was probably a poor choice of word, but the point still stands as it means they've been sectarian bigots since their inception up to their peak bigotry at Drumcree and not one shiny fúck did the southern politicians or media give back then.
Yeah, that didn't happen.
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland/connolly-ahead-of-humphreys-in-opinion-polls-as-they-gear-up-for-on-air-debate/a61015904.html
It comes as a Business Post/Red C poll, carried out from October 1-7, indicates that Catherine Connolly is on 36%, Heather Humphreys is on 25%, and Jim Gavin was on 12%.
Major event happened 5th October that makes that poll a bit irrelevant.
Next one will be a bit more reliable.
Oddschecker
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/european-politics/irish-politics/next-president
Connolly 2/5
Humphreys 13/5
3/10 and 5/2 Paddypower
When Gavin excluded from that poll, it's still 39 to 31. That's a commanding lead to Connolly but don't knows still high.
Red C Poll: Connolly leads but
Heather gains from Gavin exit
● Former Fine Gael minister set to propose
'presidential trade missions' in strategy shift
DANIEL MURRAY
POLICY EDITOR
Heather Humphreys is the
chief beneficiary of Jim
Gavin's decision to drop out
of the presidential race – but
Catherine Connolly remains
significantly ahead, according
to new poll data.
The latest Business Post/Red
C Poll has put Connolly on
36 per cent, Humphreys on
25 per cent and Gavin on 12
per cent. Some 27 per cent of
voters were undecided.
The survey began in ad-
vance of Fianna Fáil candi-
date Gavin dropping out of
the election and continued
for several days after his with-
drawal.
As such, the impact of re-
distributing Gavin's votes to
the remaining two candidates
can be measured.
With Gavin removed and
his votes redistributed to sec-
ond preferences, it is Hum-
phreys who gets the biggest
bump – climbing to 31 per
cent.
Catherine
Connolly
36%
Heather
Humphreys
25%
Undecided
27%
Jim Gavin
12%
But this is not enough to
surpass Connolly, who is
more marginally boosted to
39 per cent.
Nevertheless, the redistri-
bution of Gavin's votes clos-
es the gap between the two
candidates in Humphreys'
favour.
When undecided voters are
removed, that becomes 56 per
cent for Connolly and 44 per
cent for Humphreys.
However, Connolly's larger
support may be vulnerable in
places, as it is highest among
voters aged 18 to 35 (52 per
cent), that is, those who are
least likely to get out and vote.
Her support then gradual-
ly declines among the more
dependable older cohorts,
falling to 38 per cent among
35 to 54-year-olds, and to
29 per cent among those
over 55.
In contrast, Humphreys'
support is highest among the
oldest cohort (55 plus) at 43
per cent, falling to 24 per cent
for middle-aged voters, and
23 per cent for young voters.
Meanwhile, no advantage
for Humphreys among rural
voters has emerged.
Connolly continues to poll
ahead in Dublin and all re-
gions across the country.
The decision by Sinn Féin
to back Connolly appears to
be paying dividends for her
campaign too, as 63 per cent
of Sinn Féin voters say they
will vote for her, while 48 per
cent of independent support-
ers say they will give their first
preference to Connolly.
The strongest support for
Humphreys is, unsurprisingly,
with the Fine Gael base, 70 per
cent of whom say they will
give her their number-one
vote.
Fianna Fáil voters are also
clearly turning to Humphreys
in greater numbers, with 45
per cent saying they will vote
for her.
However, 22 per cent of Fi-
anna Fáil supporters say they
will vote for Connolly, show-
ing not all of Gavin's vote is
going the government's way.
As part of a campaign to
emphasise her pro-enter-
prise credentials, Humphreys
will, on Monday, announce
her intention for "an active
programme of president-led
trade missions" if elected.
These missions will have
a wide focus on securing in-
vestment and jobs for Ireland
and "she is particularly keen"
to use them to help Irish firms
grow, the party said.
"As minister for business
during Brexit, I led over a
dozen international trade
missions to the United States
of America, the United King-
dom, Germany, Hong Kong,
China, South Africa, Kenya,
Australia, New Zealand, Sin-
gapore and Japan," Hum-
phreys said.
"I have the experience of
sitting in those boardrooms
and helping to open doors for
Irish businesses and I want to
bring that to the presidency."
It's understood Fine Gael
will take a "lend-us-your-
vote" approach with Fianna
Fáil voters in an effort to drum
up support for their candidate.
Full report, pages 6-7
Revealed: Five executives at Re-t
Catherine Connolly doing keepie uppy
https://youtu.be/IvDXJc76os8
The media bias is shocking... latest headline in Business Post: "Red C Poll - Connolly leads but Heather gains from Gavin exit."...
Heather v Connolly 🤷
So blatant..
Remember when The Catherine was part of this freakshow - Mick Wallace, Clare Daly and worst of all George Galloway :o . At this stage George's account on Twitter (pre-Elon) was tagged "Russian state-affiliated media".
Thankfully, the Menlo hotel saw sense and cancelled the event.
For someone who denies being pro-Russian, she really does keep company with some of the worst kind of Russian backers.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GvmWtU1XwAEb2s-?format=jpg&name=medium)
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 12, 2025, 08:03:47 PMThe media bias is shocking... latest headline in Business Post: "Red C Poll - Connolly leads but Heather gains from Gavin exit."...
Heather v Connolly 🤷�♂️
So blatant..
Like, what else could they say? Connolly gains from Gavin exit
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 13, 2025, 07:08:48 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 12, 2025, 08:03:47 PMThe media bias is shocking... latest headline in Business Post: "Red C Poll - Connolly leads but Heather gains from Gavin exit."...
Heather v Connolly 🤷�♂️
So blatant..
Like, what else could they say? Connolly gains from Gavin exit
They could say:
Connolly leads but Humphries gains from Gavin exit" OR
Catherine leads but Heather gains...
You don't find it insidious that they talk of .. Connolly and Heather ?
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 13, 2025, 07:08:48 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 12, 2025, 08:03:47 PMThe media bias is shocking... latest headline in Business Post: "Red C Poll - Connolly leads but Heather gains from Gavin exit."...
Heather v Connolly 🤷�♂️
So blatant..
Like, what else could they say? Connolly gains from Gavin exit
Why is it Heather and Connolly is the point.
They dont headline about Taoiseach Michal or Tainiste Simon.
It's an interesting double standard. Auntie Heather versus candidate Connolly
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 13, 2025, 08:41:38 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 13, 2025, 07:08:48 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 12, 2025, 08:03:47 PMThe media bias is shocking... latest headline in Business Post: "Red C Poll - Connolly leads but Heather gains from Gavin exit."...
Heather v Connolly 🤷�♂️
So blatant..
Like, what else could they say? Connolly gains from Gavin exit
Why is it Heather and Connolly is the point.
They dont headline about Taoiseach Michal or Tainiste Simon.
It's an interesting double standard. Auntie Heather versus candidate Connolly
Yup, why not same for both?
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 13, 2025, 08:49:40 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 13, 2025, 08:41:38 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 13, 2025, 07:08:48 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 12, 2025, 08:03:47 PMThe media bias is shocking... latest headline in Business Post: "Red C Poll - Connolly leads but Heather gains from Gavin exit."...
Heather v Connolly 🤷�♂️
So blatant..
Like, what else could they say? Connolly gains from Gavin exit
Why is it Heather and Connolly is the point.
They dont headline about Taoiseach Michal or Tainiste Simon.
It's an interesting double standard. Auntie Heather versus candidate Connolly
Yup, why not same for both?
Exactly. It's quite blatant.
Heather's posters only say Heather.
Catherine's posters has her surname written in a 1900s type font which is even more noticeable on the SF pamphlet doing the rounds here.
They're both playing their names the way they want.
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on October 13, 2025, 09:38:53 AMHeather's posters only say Heather.
Catherine's posters has her surname written in a 1900s type font which is even more noticeable on the SF pamphlet doing the rounds here.
They're both playing their names the way they want.
That's up to them. Connolly is a more business like campaign. Heather is warm and cuddly.
But the press shouldn't be doing it. I get the Business Post would prefer an FFG candidate over a leftie, but it wasn't very subtle
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 13, 2025, 08:41:38 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 13, 2025, 07:08:48 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 12, 2025, 08:03:47 PMThe media bias is shocking... latest headline in Business Post: "Red C Poll - Connolly leads but Heather gains from Gavin exit."...
Heather v Connolly 🤷�♂️
So blatant..
Like, what else could they say? Connolly gains from Gavin exit
Why is it Heather and Connolly is the point.
They dont headline about Taoiseach Michal or Tainiste Simon.
It's an interesting double standard. Auntie Heather versus candidate Connolly
Comrade Connolly.
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 13, 2025, 07:07:45 AMRemember when The Catherine was part of this freakshow - Mick Wallace, Clare Daly and worst of all George Galloway :o . At this stage George's account on Twitter (pre-Elon) was tagged "Russian state-affiliated media".
Thankfully, the Menlo hotel saw sense and cancelled the event.
For someone who denies being pro-Russian, she really does keep company with some of the worst kind of Russian backers.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GvmWtU1XwAEb2s-?format=jpg&name=medium)
Now she is running for president, it probably worked out in Connolly's favour that that event was cancelled.
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 13, 2025, 07:07:45 AMRemember when The Catherine was part of this freakshow - Mick Wallace, Clare Daly and worst of all George Galloway :o . At this stage George's account on Twitter (pre-Elon) was tagged "Russian state-affiliated media".
Thankfully, the Menlo hotel saw sense and cancelled the event.
For someone who denies being pro-Russian, she really does keep company with some of the worst kind of Russian backers.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GvmWtU1XwAEb2s-?format=jpg&name=medium)
When did being anti-war change to mean being pro-Russian?
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 13, 2025, 11:04:22 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 13, 2025, 07:07:45 AMRemember when The Catherine was part of this freakshow - Mick Wallace, Clare Daly and worst of all George Galloway :o . At this stage George's account on Twitter (pre-Elon) was tagged "Russian state-affiliated media".
Thankfully, the Menlo hotel saw sense and cancelled the event.
For someone who denies being pro-Russian, she really does keep company with some of the worst kind of Russian backers.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GvmWtU1XwAEb2s-?format=jpg&name=medium)
When did being anti-war change to mean being pro-Russian?
When you start blaming the victim.
If The Catherine encountered a girl being raped, would she:
a) Hand her the can of pepper spray that she's begging for.
b) Lecture her about making peace and how resorting to violence is not a solution.
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 13, 2025, 11:22:43 AMIf The Catherine encountered a girl being raped, would she:
a) Hand her the can of pepper spray that she's begging for.
b) Lecture her about making peace and how resorting to violence is not a solution.
wow
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 13, 2025, 12:07:35 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 13, 2025, 11:22:43 AMIf The Catherine encountered a girl being raped, would she:
a) Hand her the can of pepper spray that she's begging for.
b) Lecture her about making peace and how resorting to violence is not a solution.
wow
You spelt 'b' wrong there.
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 13, 2025, 11:22:43 AMIf The Catherine encountered a girl being raped, would she:
a) Hand her the can of pepper spray that she's begging for.
b) Lecture her about making peace and how resorting to violence is not a solution.
Lunatic.
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 13, 2025, 11:22:43 AMIf The Catherine encountered a girl being raped, would she:
a) Hand her the can of pepper spray that she's begging for.
b) Lecture her about making peace and how resorting to violence is not a solution.
Some mindset to come up with that analogy...
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 13, 2025, 11:22:43 AMIf The Catherine encountered a girl being raped, would she:
a) Hand her the can of pepper spray that she's begging for.
b) Lecture her about making peace and how resorting to violence is not a solution.
Seriously. Stoppit. You are coming across as unhinged.
Question for ye boys and girls-
Catherine 🙃 gets elected.
The Dáil and Seanad pass an Act she totally disagrees with which she refuses to sign full stop.
What then?
Quote from: Rossfan on October 13, 2025, 04:09:14 PMQuestion for ye boys and girls-
Catherine 🙃 gets elected.
The Dáil and Seanad pass an Act she totally disagrees with which she refuses to sign full stop.
What then?
What does the constitution say? Would have to be amended to meet Presidents approval wouldn't it?
Quote from: Rossfan on October 13, 2025, 04:09:14 PMQuestion for ye boys and girls-
Catherine 🙃 gets elected.
The Dáil and Seanad pass an Act she totally disagrees with which she refuses to sign full stop.
What then?
She has a simiar outlook to Michael D. The hypothetical question didn't arise with him. So it's unlikely to arise with her, assuming she wins.
2° In the event of the failure of the President to exercise or perform any power or function which the President is by or under this Constitution required to exercise or perform within a specified time, the said power or function shall be exercised or performed under this Article, as soon as may be after the expiration of the time so specified.
Seems to lay down that a Commission of Chief Justice, Ceann Comhairle and Cathaoirleach of the Seanad (earlier part of Article 14) can do the job in those circumstances.
"The Catherine"
Have to admit I giggled.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 13, 2025, 05:15:24 PM2° In the event of the failure of the President to exercise or perform any power or function which the President is by or under this Constitution required to exercise or perform within a specified time, the said power or function shall be exercised or performed under this Article, as soon as may be after the expiration of the time so specified.
Seems to lay down that a Commission of Chief Justice, Ceann Comhairle and Cathaoirleach of the Seanad (earlier part of Article 14) can do the job in those circumstances.
Is the President "required" to pass a law they feel is wrong?
(Total hypothetical here)
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/13/presidential-election-live-updates/
Minister for Further and Higher Education James Lawless questions reports that Fianna Fáil could end up with a €500,000 bill from its candidate Jim Gavin's withdrawn bid
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 13, 2025, 05:41:45 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 13, 2025, 05:15:24 PM2° In the event of the failure of the President to exercise or perform any power or function which the President is by or under this Constitution required to exercise or perform within a specified time, the said power or function shall be exercised or performed under this Article, as soon as may be after the expiration of the time so specified.
Seems to lay down that a Commission of Chief Justice, Ceann Comhairle and Cathaoirleach of the Seanad (earlier part of Article 14) can do the job in those circumstances.
Is the President "required" to pass a law they feel is wrong?
(Total hypothetical here)
Yes.
What possible authority could they claim to deny it?
Quote from: seafoid on October 13, 2025, 06:43:45 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/13/presidential-election-live-updates/
Minister for Further and Higher Education James Lawless questions reports that Fianna Fáil could end up with a €500,000 bill from its candidate Jim Gavin's withdrawn bid
In that case, Ye Fianna Fail supporters should get out there and Give Jim Number one so that the costs are covered by the state.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRzvhxqBxwVOIg7rsHwg-V_Zlez8kfnBvAGjQ&s)
Yawwwwnnnn
From the Irish Examiner...
Ms Humphreys retired from politics last year after a decade at Cabinet, citing concerns over her health and energy levels. This summer she made a return to politics to become the Fine Gael candidate for the presidency following the withdrawal of Mairead McGuinness.
How has this woman been in politics for so long abd have so little cop on as to be saying that during a campaign.
There was no campaign last year.
Latest opinion poll
Connolly 38%
Humphreys 20%
Gavin 5%.
Won't vote 12%
Will spoil vote 6%
Quote from: Rossfan on October 16, 2025, 08:52:10 AMThere was no campaign last year.
Latest opinion poll
Connolly 38%
Humphreys 20%
Gavin 5%.
Won't vote 12%
Will spoil vote 6%
Another interesting part of that poll was that Gavin's votes would have transferred pretty evenly across the two. I dont think many people would have thought that?
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 13, 2025, 05:41:45 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 13, 2025, 05:15:24 PM2° In the event of the failure of the President to exercise or perform any power or function which the President is by or under this Constitution required to exercise or perform within a specified time, the said power or function shall be exercised or performed under this Article, as soon as may be after the expiration of the time so specified.
Seems to lay down that a Commission of Chief Justice, Ceann Comhairle and Cathaoirleach of the Seanad (earlier part of Article 14) can do the job in those circumstances.
Is the President "required" to pass a law they feel is wrong?
(Total hypothetical here)
No. They then discuss with council of state and can kick to the supreme court. But only on constitutional grounds
Quote from: OakLeaf on October 16, 2025, 09:25:24 AMQuote from: Rossfan on October 16, 2025, 08:52:10 AMThere was no campaign last year.
Latest opinion poll
Connolly 38%
Humphreys 20%
Gavin 5%.
Won't vote 12%
Will spoil vote 6%
Another interesting part of that poll was that Gavin's votes would have transferred pretty evenly across the two. I dont think many people would have thought that?
Would suggest a lot of FF voters and "FF gene pool" voters staying at home or undecided.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 16, 2025, 11:02:07 AMQuote from: OakLeaf on October 16, 2025, 09:25:24 AMQuote from: Rossfan on October 16, 2025, 08:52:10 AMThere was no campaign last year.
Latest opinion poll
Connolly 38%
Humphreys 20%
Gavin 5%.
Won't vote 12%
Will spoil vote 6%
Another interesting part of that poll was that Gavin's votes would have transferred pretty evenly across the two. I dont think many people would have thought that?
Would suggest a lot of FF voters and "FF gene pool" voters staying at home or undecided.
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/16/catherine-connolly-on-course-for-presidential-election-win-with-strong-lead-in-new-poll/
The poll also contains evidence of voter disillusionment with the slate of candidates offered to them. Almost half of voters (49 per cent) said they "don't feel represented by any of the candidates"; 40 per cent disagreed.
More than half (55 per cent) said the Constitution should be changed to make it easier to run for the presidency, with just over a third (34 per cent) disagreeing.
A clear majority of voters who expressed a view on the issue said conservative campaigner Maria Steen – who tried and failed narrowly to secure entry to the race through nominations by Oireachtas members – should have been in the contest. Asked if she should have been facilitated, 45 per cent agreed, 24 per cent disagreed and 31 per cent had no opinion.
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/16/presidential-election-poll-only-an-earthquake-could-deny-catherine-connolly-victory/
Presidential elections have seen dramatic late swings before. But it would take an earthquake now for Catherine Connolly to be denied victory in next week's vote, Thursday's Irish Times/Ipsos B&A opinion poll suggests.
Thursday's poll is the first of the campaign for which the sampling was conducted entirely after the dramatic departure of the Fianna Fáil candidate Jim Gavin from the race.
And it is clear from these numbers that Gavin's exit from the campaign – though he remains, of course, on the ballot paper – has not delivered for Heather Humphreys in anything like the way that she might have hoped.
In fact, the reduction of the campaign to a two-horse race has worked rather better for Connolly, who now stands on the threshold of a stunning victory that was scarcely imaginable when she entered the campaign, the first in the field, as an Independent back in July
Quote from: seafoid on October 16, 2025, 12:04:45 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/16/presidential-election-poll-only-an-earthquake-could-deny-catherine-connolly-victory/
Presidential elections have seen dramatic late swings before. But it would take an earthquake now for Catherine Connolly to be denied victory in next week's vote, Thursday's Irish Times/Ipsos B&A opinion poll suggests.
Thursday's poll is the first of the campaign for which the sampling was conducted entirely after the dramatic departure of the Fianna Fáil candidate Jim Gavin from the race.
And it is clear from these numbers that Gavin's exit from the campaign – though he remains, of course, on the ballot paper – has not delivered for Heather Humphreys in anything like the way that she might have hoped.
In fact, the reduction of the campaign to a two-horse race has worked rather better for Connolly, who now stands on the threshold of a stunning victory that was scarcely imaginable when she entered the campaign, the first in the field, as an Independent back in July
She was always winning easily. Just HH ran such a poor campaign she doesn't appear to have capitalised on the Gavin debable
See SpoilTheVote held a press conference today to officially launch their presidential campaign. Ganley, Una McGurk, Elaine Mulally, and Restaurant Gemma. Where was Maria?
What a fkn chamber of horrors!
Sure you dont expect Maria to actually turn up to these things?
Lookit she has 7 years now to start grinding and going for Council or even TD.
CC 1/10
HH 6/1.
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/18/combined-support-for-fianna-fail-and-fine-gael-at-historic-low/
Today's Irish Times/Ipsos B&A poll reveals a drop in support for Fianna Fáil, down five percentage points to 17 per cent. The gamble on Jim Gavin has not paid off.
Some of the party's voters appear to have drifted across to Sinn Féin, which is up five points to 27 per cent. Fine Gael records a modest increase in support, up one point to 18 per cent.
Enoch has entered the room!
After a classic Burkean move of rocking up to where CC was speaking then roaring assault he was recorded calling for people to support HH.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 17, 2025, 08:44:43 PMWhat a fkn chamber of horrors!
Yeah, the choosing of 3 and now 2 by the Monopoly Parties looks a complete shambles.
I'm glad you agree. ;D
There seems to be a lot of traction on social media to spoil ones vote, wonder how much of this actually materalizes.
It seems to be the "nice right" acting like spoiled brats over having no candidate on the ballot paper.
Doesn't matter to the outcome as only valid votes will decide the winner.
That's true - but it will still embarrass them if there's a significant amount of spoiled votes. A good kick up the Áras, as they say!
Quote from: Munchie on October 19, 2025, 10:33:15 AMThere seems to be a lot of traction on social media to spoil ones vote, wonder how much of this actually materalizes.
Social media not reflective of the population.. bit like the far right in the council elections. Loud on Facebook.. didn't count when it came to election time.
Maria Steen fans doing some whingeing calling for spoilt votes while that other fundamentalist Burke calling for votes for Humphries.
I notice that in the various reports about Burke and Connolly interaction there's never a mention of head the ball supporting Heather.
There are always a few ambushed when people are canvassing but the people tend to find out about political motivation abd who they support.
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 19, 2025, 01:22:45 PMQuote from: Munchie on October 19, 2025, 10:33:15 AMThere seems to be a lot of traction on social media to spoil ones vote, wonder how much of this actually materalizes.
Social media not reflective of the population.. bit like the far right in the council elections. Loud on Facebook.. didn't count when it came to election time.
Maria Steen fans doing some whingeing calling for spoilt votes while that other fundamentalist Burke calling for votes for Humphries.
Yeah, there is a lot of commentary from the North on here - who in reality are a fair bit removed from the anger on the ground down south.
The political system is always a monopoly, but this election was more in the faces of the electorate how blatant it is.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 19, 2025, 03:52:51 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 19, 2025, 01:22:45 PMQuote from: Munchie on October 19, 2025, 10:33:15 AMThere seems to be a lot of traction on social media to spoil ones vote, wonder how much of this actually materalizes.
Social media not reflective of the population.. bit like the far right in the council elections. Loud on Facebook.. didn't count when it came to election time.
Maria Steen fans doing some whingeing calling for spoilt votes while that other fundamentalist Burke calling for votes for Humphries.
Yeah, there is a lot of commentary from the North on here - who in reality are a fair bit removed from the anger on the ground down south.
The political system is always a monopoly, but this election was more in the faces of the electorate how blatant it is.
What do people actually want the system to be? You obviously need some sort of criteria to get on the ballot or any plonker could run and the ballot sheet would be more like a phone book!
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 19, 2025, 03:52:51 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 19, 2025, 01:22:45 PMQuote from: Munchie on October 19, 2025, 10:33:15 AMThere seems to be a lot of traction on social media to spoil ones vote, wonder how much of this actually materalizes.
Social media not reflective of the population.. bit like the far right in the council elections. Loud on Facebook.. didn't count when it came to election time.
Maria Steen fans doing some whingeing calling for spoilt votes while that other fundamentalist Burke calling for votes for Humphries.
Yeah, there is a lot of commentary from the North on here - who in reality are a fair bit removed from the anger on the ground down south.
The political system is always a monopoly, but this election was more in the faces of the electorate how blatant it is.
Steen went in far too late with a sense of entitlement. Isn't the system's fault that FF hung Gavin out to dry.
Who did you want in? Conor McGregor, Flately, Enoch? ..
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 19, 2025, 04:10:10 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 19, 2025, 03:52:51 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 19, 2025, 01:22:45 PMQuote from: Munchie on October 19, 2025, 10:33:15 AMThere seems to be a lot of traction on social media to spoil ones vote, wonder how much of this actually materalizes.
Social media not reflective of the population.. bit like the far right in the council elections. Loud on Facebook.. didn't count when it came to election time.
Maria Steen fans doing some whingeing calling for spoilt votes while that other fundamentalist Burke calling for votes for Humphries.
Yeah, there is a lot of commentary from the North on here - who in reality are a fair bit removed from the anger on the ground down south.
The political system is always a monopoly, but this election was more in the faces of the electorate how blatant it is.
Steen went in far too late with a sense of entitlement. Isn't the system's fault that FF hung Gavin out to dry.
Who did you want in? Conor McGregor, Flately, Enoch? ..
You'd be hoping for a bit more choice and quality.
Any change to the nomination system would require a change to Bunreacht na hÉireann, which would require a Referendum.
For an almost powerless position is anyone really bothered.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 19, 2025, 05:17:09 PMAny change to the nomination system would require a change to Bunreacht na hÉireann, which would require a Referendum.
For an almost powerless position is anyone really bothered.
Clearly the main parties are bothered, otherwise why would they block candidates?
The biggest Party's candidate has withdrawn.
The 2nd biggest Party put up no candidate.
Neither did the 4th and 5 biggest parties.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 19, 2025, 06:59:01 PMThe biggest Party's candidate has withdrawn - They still Blocked everyone else
The 2nd biggest Party put up no candidate. - eh Catherine Connolly endorsed
Neither did the 4th and 5 biggest parties - eh Catherine Connolly endorsed
Please don't stand up for the current system and it's abusers.
https://x.com/FineGael/status/1979921039124533530?t=AW3V8vu1FKw8gLdoFPyDBQ&s=19
I cannot say I'm surprised FG has went this low
This sort of stuff usually backfires.. connolly just has to keep a positive narrative.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 19, 2025, 07:49:03 PMhttps://x.com/FineGael/status/1979921039124533530?t=AW3V8vu1FKw8gLdoFPyDBQ&s=19
I cannot say I'm surprised FG has went this low
If you sleep with Dogs, don't expect to get up without fleas.
This is senior hurling in getting elected.
Her advantage is most people are not listening as most don't care.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 19, 2025, 07:54:05 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 19, 2025, 07:49:03 PMhttps://x.com/FineGael/status/1979921039124533530?t=AW3V8vu1FKw8gLdoFPyDBQ&s=19
I cannot say I'm surprised FG has went this low
If you sleep with Dogs, don't expect to get up without fleas.
This is senior hurling in getting elected.
Her advantage is most people are not listening as most don't care.
FG though Noonan brought in the so called Vulture funds, they have been in power since 2011, they have overseen a housing crisis. They believe in home repossession, there is very few actual house repossessions in Ireland, very few orders of possessions actually lead to reposession.
I think they have used footage of Connolly commenting on the tracker mortgage scandal not repossessions in that hit piece (a version of it was posted earlier with the banner at the bottom of the screen saying it was tracker mortgage, seems they cut that).
This is not senior hurling, it's a US style hit job and lowest form of trying to support/win an election.
Driving home this evening listening to Christy Moore and Viva La Quinta/Quince Brigada came on.
Made me think of some of the "she's not pro Russia, she's anti war" get on.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 19, 2025, 08:13:04 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 19, 2025, 07:54:05 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 19, 2025, 07:49:03 PMhttps://x.com/FineGael/status/1979921039124533530?t=AW3V8vu1FKw8gLdoFPyDBQ&s=19
I cannot say I'm surprised FG has went this low
If you sleep with Dogs, don't expect to get up without fleas.
This is senior hurling in getting elected.
Her advantage is most people are not listening as most don't care.
FG though Noonan brought in the so called Vulture funds, they have been in power since 2011, they have overseen a housing crisis. They believe in home repossession, there is very few actual house repossessions in Ireland, very few orders of possessions actually lead to reposession.
I think they have used footage of Connolly commenting on the tracker mortgage scandal not repossessions in that hit piece (a version of it was posted earlier with the banner at the bottom of the screen saying it was tracker mortgage, seems they cut that).
This is not senior hurling, it's a US style hit job and lowest form of trying to support/win an election.
It's gas - You are right about the FG and the Vulture Funds and 14 years of Power. All that is whitewashed from the annals of FG and FF who were part of the mess.
Quote from: gallsman on October 19, 2025, 09:02:43 PMDriving home this evening listening to Christy Moore and Viva La Quinta/Quince Brigada came on.
Made me think of some of the "she's not pro Russia, she's anti war" get on.
Bob Hilliard was a war monger.
and James Connolly was the leader of war mongers.
I always find it odd that the ones who are so vocal on Ukraine seem to be complete and utterly silent on Western imperialism.
As far as I can see Connolly has been vocal in her disapproval of Putin but she has taken a nuanced stance that Western imperialism and NATO expansion has unquestionably played a role in Russia's invasion. This is a view shared by the likes of Noam Chomsky and John Mearsheimer who are two extremely well respected historians and political commentators who were warning of the inveitability of this for decades if the West kept interfering in Ukranian politics and kept expanding NATO's borders.
It's full on Western propaganda, the same propaganda that seems to have overtaken every government in the Western world in relation to Israel. Keir Starmer wants a violent group of Islamophobic fascist hooligans to be given protection to march all over Birmingham this week. Micheal Martin went out to Israel to don the terrorist uniform of the IDF and take part in propaganda photoshoots and shake the hand of Netanyahu at a time the Israeli regime were bombing hospitals. He invited the Israeli ambassador, a truly disgusting bigoted racist and defender of genocide as a special to his parties Ard Fheis months laters as the genocide continued unabated. Fianna Fail and Fine Gael elected reps continue to be part of a Friends of Israel lobby and the MSM does not have an issue with any of the above but they will try and spread a smear campaign against Catherine Connolly because she opposes the Western Genocide machine.
If you look at the reality of it, the world is going far and far more right wing. Keir Starmer has brought the Labour Party increasingly right wing in the UK, Martin has pretty much turned FF into a more right wing version of FG in the south.
The only difference between the far right and FFG right now is just on issues such as trans rights, same sex marriages and abortion. Issues that really are not important to 90% of the people. The far right were never bothered with housing, health, cost of living, crime or any of these matters - its only migration that matters to them and anyone who believes that FFG are allowing massive amounts of refugees in on a human level is completely deluded. The only reason the FFG government is allowing the level of immigration in is because it is lucrative to a large amount of multi millionaires and billionaires.
The far right only stands to rise up in countries where governments have failed society. We are fed wall to wall propaganda in the media every day of our day of our lives - Russia, China and Iran are the bogeyman and the hope is that will give the West the cover to commit the heinous acts of warfare and imperialism it does, routinely.
Our great western world now have the second in command of ISIS in charge of Syria who is engaging in ethnic cleansing and they have no moral quibble with that at all.
3....2.....1
If Nato wasn't there, he be beating back to Berlin. Problem is all this appeasement like Hilter, they cant read their man. Putin out for all out expansion. If the Ukraine was heavily backed at the start, we wouldn't be in the dire situation we in now. Ask any Polish what they think of the Russians. They know the score.
I think that's rubbish. Russia may be expansionist, but it doesn't mean it wants to take Berlin. Or even Poland. Get a grip.
The mudslinging from FFG is unreal.
How long will it be until the family of poor Paul Quinn are wheeled out to try and tie Connolly to that.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 20, 2025, 11:07:23 AMThe mudslinging from FFG is unreal.
How long will it be until the family of poor Paul Quinn are wheeled out to try and tie Connolly to that.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/1020/1539434-paul-quinn-appeal/
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 20, 2025, 10:57:58 AMIf Nato wasn't there, he be beating back to Berlin. Problem is all this appeasement like Hilter, they cant read their man. Putin out for all out expansion. If the Urkaine was heavily backed at the start, we wouldn't be in the dire situation we in now. Ask any Polish what they think of the Russians. They know the score.
What has NATO actually done?
Do you remember when we nearly had World War 3 because Russia were setting military bases near the US borders? Why is it ok for the West (the biggest collective group of imperliasts, war mongerers and terrorists) to have defensive bases close to their enemies territories but not vice versa.
You can ask the Poles what they think of the Russians. Maybe ask the Arabs, Africans, Asians, Latin and Central Americans what they think of the West? Maybe they know the score. The US, UK and EU have personally bankrolled and enabled a genocide 50x the scale of what is happening in Ukraine take place in Gaza.
It's not a binary choice between being pro-western and pro-Russia, both are evil regimes when some really nasty people at the helm - Trump, Putin, Starmer, Von Der Leyen, Shulz, Macron. The legacy on the West is far, far worse. Maybe ask the Irish what they think of the Brits? We know the score although our far right mob are very much pro Britain and pro America.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 11:12:47 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on October 20, 2025, 10:57:58 AMIf Nato wasn't there, he be beating back to Berlin. Problem is all this appeasement like Hilter, they cant read their man. Putin out for all out expansion. If the Urkaine was heavily backed at the start, we wouldn't be in the dire situation we in now. Ask any Polish what they think of the Russians. They know the score.
What has NATO actually done?
Do you remember when we nearly had World War 3 because Russia were setting military bases near the US borders? Why is it ok for the West (the biggest collective group of imperliasts, war mongerers and terrorists) to have defensive bases close to their enemies territories but not vice versa.
You can ask the Poles what they think of the Russians. Maybe ask the Arabs, Africans, Asians, Latin and Central Americans what they think of the West? Maybe they know the score. The US, UK and EU have personally bankrolled and enabled a genocide 50x the scale of what is happening in Ukraine take place in Gaza.
It's not a binary choice between being pro-western and pro-Russia, both are evil regimes when some really nasty people at the helm - Trump, Putin, Starmer, Von Der Leyen, Shulz, Macron. The legacy on the West is far, far worse. Maybe ask the Irish what they think of the Brits? We know the score although our far right mob are very much pro Britain and pro America.
there is another thread for this argument to be had... Banks and dog will set you straight over there.
Quote from: Pub Bore on October 20, 2025, 11:11:01 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 20, 2025, 11:07:23 AMThe mudslinging from FFG is unreal.
How long will it be until the family of poor Paul Quinn are wheeled out to try and tie Connolly to that.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/1020/1539434-paul-quinn-appeal/
First part of that, Humphrey's will roll in behind this no doubt with a photo shoot with Breege and a strongly worded Maria Cahill article will do the rounds. Inevitable
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 20, 2025, 11:14:58 AMQuote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 11:12:47 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on October 20, 2025, 10:57:58 AMIf Nato wasn't there, he be beating back to Berlin. Problem is all this appeasement like Hilter, they cant read their man. Putin out for all out expansion. If the Urkaine was heavily backed at the start, we wouldn't be in the dire situation we in now. Ask any Polish what they think of the Russians. They know the score.
What has NATO actually done?
Do you remember when we nearly had World War 3 because Russia were setting military bases near the US borders? Why is it ok for the West (the biggest collective group of imperliasts, war mongerers and terrorists) to have defensive bases close to their enemies territories but not vice versa.
You can ask the Poles what they think of the Russians. Maybe ask the Arabs, Africans, Asians, Latin and Central Americans what they think of the West? Maybe they know the score. The US, UK and EU have personally bankrolled and enabled a genocide 50x the scale of what is happening in Ukraine take place in Gaza.
It's not a binary choice between being pro-western and pro-Russia, both are evil regimes when some really nasty people at the helm - Trump, Putin, Starmer, Von Der Leyen, Shulz, Macron. The legacy on the West is far, far worse. Maybe ask the Irish what they think of the Brits? We know the score although our far right mob are very much pro Britain and pro America.
there is another thread for this argument to be had... Banks and dog will set you straight over there.
:D.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 20, 2025, 11:18:56 AMQuote from: Pub Bore on October 20, 2025, 11:11:01 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 20, 2025, 11:07:23 AMThe mudslinging from FFG is unreal.
How long will it be until the family of poor Paul Quinn are wheeled out to try and tie Connolly to that.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/1020/1539434-paul-quinn-appeal/
First part of that, Humphrey's will roll in behind this no doubt with a photo shoot with Breege and a strongly worded Maria Cahill article will do the rounds. Inevitable
You're the guys bringing "poor Paul Quinn" into a thread on the presidential election, so maybe have a look in the mirror.
Connolly will win easily and Irish people in general don't like negative politics and its desperation stakes by Fine Gael. But if Connolly took money from a UK bank to evict people that is fair game. Equating that to everyone is entitled to legal representation through the Cab Rank rule is the greatest load of guff. Since when did banks ever struggle for legal representation. Banks have the deep pockets to only employ the best legal representation money can buy. They are not knocking on the door of some rural Irish solicitor and saying any chance you'd take this case and help a poor British bank out, and help us get those wastrels out who are not paying their mortgage.
Quote from: Tubberman on October 20, 2025, 11:50:24 AMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 20, 2025, 11:18:56 AMQuote from: Pub Bore on October 20, 2025, 11:11:01 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 20, 2025, 11:07:23 AMThe mudslinging from FFG is unreal.
How long will it be until the family of poor Paul Quinn are wheeled out to try and tie Connolly to that.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/1020/1539434-paul-quinn-appeal/
First part of that, Humphrey's will roll in behind this no doubt with a photo shoot with Breege and a strongly worded Maria Cahill article will do the rounds. Inevitable
You're the guys bringing "poor Paul Quinn" into a thread on the presidential election, so maybe have a look in the mirror.
The story is rolled out every election to take a shot at SF so it's not a huge leap to think it won't happen this week given that it is the anniversary of his death. This is not about the Quinn family, it's about the way they have repeatedly been used by the establishment to its own needs.
Quote from: weareros on October 20, 2025, 11:52:12 AMConnolly will win easily and Irish people in general don't like negative politics and its desperation stakes by Fine Gael. But if Connolly took money from a UK bank to evict people that is fair game. Equating that to everyone is entitled to legal representation through the Cab Rank rule is the greatest load of guff. Since when did banks ever struggle for legal representation. Banks have the deep pockets to only employ the best legal representation money can buy. They are not knocking on the door of some rural Irish solicitor and saying any chance you'd take this case and help a poor British bank out, and help us get those wastrels out who are not paying their mortgage.
I believe she was a barrister, not a solicitor.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/10/18/pat-leahy-if-catherine-connolly-wins-it-may-be-the-start-of-the-greatest-political-change-in-our-history/
If Connolly does go on to win, it will mean one of two things.
The first possibility is that voters are finally starting to look beyond Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil as their choice for the dominant, always-governing political force in the country – that they are considering seriously a left-led Government that would seek different solutions to domestic problems, a different economic model, a different presence in the EU, a different voice in the world. It would mean that perhaps the greatest political change in the country's history is in the offing. This is certainly the interpretation that Connolly's supporters will put on her victory, if that happens.
The second possibility is that voters, unimpressed with the options presented by Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael, are willing to put an outspoken left-wing voice in the Áras as a successor to an outspoken left-wing voice in the Áras. Where someone can talk a lot, but not necessarily do a lot. As my colleague Ellen Coyne suggested long before the campaign began, perhaps the same voters who have chosen centrist – or centre-right, depending on your perspective – governments like the balance provided by a left-wing presidency.
Whichever of these is correct, a Connolly victory – never mind one by the sort of margins the poll suggested was likely – would be an enormous fillip for the political left that assembled behind her, and a humbling defeat for Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil.
From start to finish – or at least from start to this point – the identification, selection and management of their candidates has been a catastrophe. It is hard to believe that the fallout in both parties will end with next week's count – especially when you consider the slump in support for Fianna Fáil and for Micheál Martin personally recorded in today's poll. Martin has been the most popular of the three main party leaders for the past year; now he is the least popular. Fianna Fáil's rating falls by five points to 17 per cent today, the lowest in more than four years. If those numbers continue for any length of time, he will have to watch himself.
I'd say the Quinn family might just feel that what was done to their son this day 18 years ago was worse than "FFG" f bringing up his horrific murder.
Quote from: Pub Bore on October 20, 2025, 12:05:23 PMQuote from: weareros on October 20, 2025, 11:52:12 AMConnolly will win easily and Irish people in general don't like negative politics and its desperation stakes by Fine Gael. But if Connolly took money from a UK bank to evict people that is fair game. Equating that to everyone is entitled to legal representation through the Cab Rank rule is the greatest load of guff. Since when did banks ever struggle for legal representation. Banks have the deep pockets to only employ the best legal representation money can buy. They are not knocking on the door of some rural Irish solicitor and saying any chance you'd take this case and help a poor British bank out, and help us get those wastrels out who are not paying their mortgage.
I believe she was a barrister, not a solicitor.
She was a barrister, but clients go through a solicitor who then instruct a specialist barrister to advocate for them in court.
Definitely a strange election
For the first time we essentially have a first past the post contest for a major election
Voters are used of the PR system and could protest by giving their first preference to a no hoper
Now they can either spoil by voting for Jim Gavin or writing in someone not in the ballot
HH gets endorsement of Daniel O'Donnell. I'll never look at a wee cup o' tae in the same way again.
Weren't there only 2 candidates in 1945,52,59,66,73?
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 12:11:08 PMI'd say the Quinn family might just feel that what was done to their son this day 18 years ago was worse than "FFG" f bringing up his horrific murder.
I'd question your sincerity here and believe much like FF and FG you have little compassion for what the Quinn family have actually gone through. They are just a vehicle for you to score political points which is an abhorrently cynical thing to do.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 20, 2025, 11:14:58 AMQuote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 11:12:47 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on October 20, 2025, 10:57:58 AMIf Nato wasn't there, he be beating back to Berlin. Problem is all this appeasement like Hilter, they cant read their man. Putin out for all out expansion. If the Urkaine was heavily backed at the start, we wouldn't be in the dire situation we in now. Ask any Polish what they think of the Russians. They know the score.
What has NATO actually done?
Do you remember when we nearly had World War 3 because Russia were setting military bases near the US borders? Why is it ok for the West (the biggest collective group of imperliasts, war mongerers and terrorists) to have defensive bases close to their enemies territories but not vice versa.
You can ask the Poles what they think of the Russians. Maybe ask the Arabs, Africans, Asians, Latin and Central Americans what they think of the West? Maybe they know the score. The US, UK and EU have personally bankrolled and enabled a genocide 50x the scale of what is happening in Ukraine take place in Gaza.
It's not a binary choice between being pro-western and pro-Russia, both are evil regimes when some really nasty people at the helm - Trump, Putin, Starmer, Von Der Leyen, Shulz, Macron. The legacy on the West is far, far worse. Maybe ask the Irish what they think of the Brits? We know the score although our far right mob are very much pro Britain and pro America.
there is another thread for this argument to be had... Banks and dog will set you straight over there.
That's ok. I don't really care all that much about it, I just saw it raised here as something to attack Catherine Connolly on when those proposing it seem to hold some quite alarming contradictions.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 12:57:31 PMWeren't there only 2 candidates in 1945,52,59,66,73?
Possibly
So for anyone under the age of 70 it's the first time there has only been 2 candidates in the Presidential Election
I will address 'Hand of Gods' utter rubbish over on the 'Russia invades Ukraine' thread later.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 20, 2025, 03:48:43 PMI will address 'Hand of Gods' utter rubbish over on the 'Russia invades Ukraine' thread later.
You need not bother. I have no interest in listening to your genocidal propaganda. Your boys have ISIS running Syria now, your boys are still in the throws of etnically cleansing Palestenians. I was merely pointing out that having a nuanced view of Russia's invasion of the Ukraine does not mean you are a supporter or apologist for Russia as people like have cynically and tried to frame the position of Catherine Connolly.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 02:13:08 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 12:11:08 PMI'd say the Quinn family might just feel that what was done to their son this day 18 years ago was worse than "FFG" f bringing up his horrific murder.
I'd question your sincerity here and believe much like FF and FG you have little compassion for what the Quinn family have actually gone through. They are just a vehicle for you to score political points which is an abhorrently cynical thing to do.
[/quoteQuote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 02:13:08 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 12:11:08 PMI'd say the Quinn family might just feel that what was done to their son this day 18 years ago was worse than "FFG" f bringing up his horrific murder.
I'd question your sincerity here and believe much like FF and FG you have little compassion for what the Quinn family have actually gone through. They are just a vehicle for you to score political points which is an abhorrently cynical thing to do.
Today is the 18th anniversary of his most horrific murder by a gang of thugs.
His poor mother was on local radio this morning.
But you and shinners keep on attacking anyone who mentions it.
Maybe ye might condemn the murder full stop.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 03:53:15 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 20, 2025, 03:48:43 PMI will address 'Hand of Gods' utter rubbish over on the 'Russia invades Ukraine' thread later.
You need not bother. I have no interest in listening to your genocidal propaganda. Your boys have ISIS running Syria now, your boys are still in the throws of etnically cleansing Palestenians. I was merely pointing out that having a nuanced view of Russia's invasion of the Ukraine does not mean you are a supporter or apologist for Russia as people like have cynically and tried to frame the position of Catherine Connolly.
Who are my boys that you speak of?
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 12:11:08 PMI'd say the Quinn family might just feel that what was done to their son this day 18 years ago was worse than "FFG" f bringing up his horrific murder.
Who suggested otherwise?
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 04:12:02 PMToday is the 18th anniversary of his most horrific murder by a gang of thugs.
His poor mother was on local radio this morning.
But you and shinners keep on attacking anyone who mentions it.
Maybe ye might condemn the murder full stop.
I haven't attacked anyone, all I have done is question your sincerity and I believe I am correct do so. The cynicism is using Paul Quinn and his family as a political football is wrong. It would be every bit as wrong with Jo Jo Dullard and Mary Boyle as well, their families have similar views to the Quinn family on the role of political parties in suppressing the truth.
The reality is you couldn't give a monkeys about Paul Quinn or his family. The only thing that interests you about this particular incident is that you wish to score political points. I find people like you who exploit the suffering and loss of others for little more than political mudslinging to be abhorrent. Shame on you.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 20, 2025, 04:27:23 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 03:53:15 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 20, 2025, 03:48:43 PMI will address 'Hand of Gods' utter rubbish over on the 'Russia invades Ukraine' thread later.
You need not bother. I have no interest in listening to your genocidal propaganda. Your boys have ISIS running Syria now, your boys are still in the throws of etnically cleansing Palestenians. I was merely pointing out that having a nuanced view of Russia's invasion of the Ukraine does not mean you are a supporter or apologist for Russia as people like have cynically and tried to frame the position of Catherine Connolly.
Who are my boys that you speak of?
The US/UK/EU who are actually worse than Russia and Putin who I have no time for.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 04:40:31 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 04:12:02 PMToday is the 18th anniversary of his most horrific murder by a gang of thugs.
His poor mother was on local radio this morning.
But you and shinners keep on attacking anyone who mentions it.
Maybe ye might condemn the murder full stop.
I haven't attacked anyone, all I have done is question your sincerity and I believe I am correct do so. The cynicism is using Paul Quinn and his family as a political football is wrong. It would be every bit as wrong with Jo Jo Dullard and Mary Boyle as well, their families have similar views to the Quinn family on the role of political parties in suppressing the truth.
The reality is you couldn't give a monkeys about Paul Quinn or his family. The only thing that interests you about this particular incident is that you wish to score political points. I find people like you who exploit the suffering and loss of others for little more than political mudslinging to be abhorrent. Shame on you.
I have absolutely no problem with Breege and her family getting the answers. I have absolute problems with vulnerable people being used as sticks to beat people with. Only the people who killed Paul Quinn know what happened and why it happened. I hope the people are arrested and convicted.
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/20/live-updates-presidential-election-catherine-connolly-heather-humphreys/
Independent presidential candidate Catherine Connolly trenchantly criticised the banks in one Dáil contribution in October 2017 during a debate on the tracker mortgage scandal.
Marie O'Halloran reports:
This centred around banks overcharging tens of thousands of customers after they denied them a tracker rate they were entitled to (1 per cent above European Central Bank rate) or charged the wrong rate of interest on their mortgage. At last 25 cases were identified where people lost their homes as a result.
In her contribution, the Galway-West TD said: "The banks did this because they got away with it and they knew that the tracker mortgages were good for their customers but not good for the profits of the banks, so they decided they would change that. We hear talk of the culture not having changed. The word is not 'culture'.
"That is a misuse of language. What the banks have done is wrong, in my opinion, criminally wrong, and there should be a serious Garda investigation into it. At the very least what we should have from the Government tonight is a serious report from the Central Bank and the Financial Services Ombudsman on what they have found to date, setting out what legislation is necessary if the current law is not strong enough and, if it is strong enough, why it has not been used.
"However, the Central Bank tells us that moral suasion should ultimately sway the banks to do the right thing and the Financial Services Ombudsman tells us he is very disappointed by the conduct of the banks. These are the banks that we bailed out. We talk about the €64 billion as if it were monopoly money and the blanket bank guarantee on 30th September and so on.
"I have one minute left and I would like to use it on behalf of those people who have lost their homes, their health and, on occasion, their lives because of the absolutely criminal behaviour of the banks.
"A serious question must be answered about the role of the public interest directors on these banks. What are they doing? A serious question must also be asked about the banks themselves, two of which we substantially own.
"They have done this in our name, but I say clearly that they have not done it in my name. What they have done is criminally wrong.
"I ask exactly what Sinn Féin has asked. Deputy Pearse Doherty has asked at the very least for a weekly report on the progress being made by the banks. I ask the minister for a written report on the progress of a Garda investigation into what appears to be out-and-out criminal activity and theft.
"Not too long ago the Taoiseach, when he was the Minister for Social Protection, ran a campaign on the sides of buses asking people to come forward with information on people cheating the system.
"Perhaps the minister could run a similar campaign now on all the buses throughout all the cities for the benefit of those who were excluded from tracker mortgages when they were entitled to them or put on the wrong rates, asking them to come forward. Why does the minister not run such a campaign if the Government is genuinely serious about tackling what is being wrongly described as 'culture'?"
Quote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 04:42:20 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 20, 2025, 04:27:23 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 03:53:15 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 20, 2025, 03:48:43 PMI will address 'Hand of Gods' utter rubbish over on the 'Russia invades Ukraine' thread later.
You need not bother. I have no interest in listening to your genocidal propaganda. Your boys have ISIS running Syria now, your boys are still in the throws of etnically cleansing Palestenians. I was merely pointing out that having a nuanced view of Russia's invasion of the Ukraine does not mean you are a supporter or apologist for Russia as people like have cynically and tried to frame the position of Catherine Connolly.
Who are my boys that you speak of?
The US/UK/EU who are actually worse than Russia and Putin who I have no time for.
How are they 'my boys'?
How are US/UK/EU wars worse than what Russia is doing in Ukraine?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 20, 2025, 04:54:21 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 04:40:31 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 04:12:02 PMToday is the 18th anniversary of his most horrific murder by a gang of thugs.
His poor mother was on local radio this morning.
But you and shinners keep on attacking anyone who mentions it.
Maybe ye might condemn the murder full stop.
I haven't attacked anyone, all I have done is question your sincerity and I believe I am correct do so. The cynicism is using Paul Quinn and his family as a political football is wrong. It would be every bit as wrong with Jo Jo Dullard and Mary Boyle as well, their families have similar views to the Quinn family on the role of political parties in suppressing the truth.
The reality is you couldn't give a monkeys about Paul Quinn or his family. The only thing that interests you about this particular incident is that you wish to score political points. I find people like you who exploit the suffering and loss of others for little more than political mudslinging to be abhorrent. Shame on you.
I have absolutely no problem with Breege and her family getting the answers. I have absolute problems with vulnerable people being used as sticks to beat people with. Only the people who killed Paul Quinn know what happened and why it happened. I hope the people are arrested and convicted.
Ditto.
To use victims, their families and their sufferings in the manner that FFG have and that chap has done here is abhorrent behaviour.
Up north we nearly all know someone who has lost someone in The Troubles, be it a family member, a friend, a neighbour, a work colleague. The communities are small and the Troubles impacted nearly every one. That suffering and loss is immense, it's a burden people carry their whole life so anyone who has had that trauma you would wish they get the answers they feel can help them move on with life. Sadly hundreds of victims families are waiting 50 years plus in some cases for answers.
So when you see people insulated from The Troubles, people who never suffered from The Troubles callously use people they don't know from Adam, for no other reason than to sling political mud - it tells you the type of person they are.
All victims and their families deserve justice and answers. Singling out or creating a hierarchy of victims for political point scoring is the most abhorrent of sc**bag behaviour though and that's across the board.
Echo the comments above by HoG.
Haven't checked the veracity of this, but apparently RTE have published stories on the anniversary of this abomination in 2024 (just before GE) and 2025 (just before ARAS).
But curiously nothing in 2022 or 2023?
18th and 17th anniversaries must be more significant than the 15th and 16th?
Anyone checked HoG's IP yet? Which one of you is he a regen of?
"People insulated from the troubles"
The Quinn savagery took place 9 years after the signing of the GFA.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 05:46:33 PM"People insulated from the troubles"
The Quinn savagery took place 9 years after the signing of the GFA.
Why does that matter? There's hundreds of families like the Quinns who have never got justice in the community I come from. You are insulated from the suffering the hundreds of these families have gone through, you don't know what it entails - you don't care - this is why what you are doing needs to be called out.
When you hear football fans chanting about girls saying no and paedophiles in order to goad a footballer or a football clubs fans, that is not out of compassion or respect for the individual. It is the type of crass and abhorrent behaviour that people are cynically exploiting a victim of a series crime to score points and goad people.
When you see far right activists hijack a murder or a rape and use the perpetrators nationality to incite hate against a community or ethnicity, that is done without any semblance or thought for the victim or what they feel or respect.
This is what you are doing here, you are behaving like a far right thug, you are like those "activists" who have tried to groom and exploit the partner of that young woman who was killed in Offaly a few years back to stir up hate and division.
I can see what you are doing here. It's abhorrent and you should have a bit of shame and self respect and stop looking to exploit the Quinn family as you don't give a monkeys about them.
You hate SF, you hate northerners - we get that - but you don't need to use innocent victims you don't care about to make that point.
The Quinn murder has nothing to do with the election.
Lawyers have been out in force today defending Catherine Connolly following FG's attack video.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 06:01:20 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 05:46:33 PM"People insulated from the troubles"
The Quinn savagery took place 9 years after the signing of the GFA.
Why does that matter? There's hundreds of families like the Quinns who have never got justice in the community I come from. You are insulated from the suffering the hundreds of these families have gone through, you don't know what it entails - you don't care - this is why what you are doing needs to be called out.
When you hear football fans chanting about girls saying no and paedophiles in order to goad a footballer or a football clubs fans, that is not out of compassion or respect for the individual. It is the type of crass and abhorrent behaviour that people are cynically exploiting a victim of a series crime to score points and goad people.
When you see far right activists hijack a murder or a rape and use the perpetrators nationality to incite hate against a community or ethnicity, that is done without any semblance or thought for the victim or what they feel or respect.
This is what you are doing here, you are behaving like a far right thug, you are like those "activists" who have tried to groom and exploit the partner of that young woman who was killed in Offaly a few years back to stir up hate and division.
I can see what you are doing here. It's abhorrent and you should have a bit of shame and self respect and stop looking to exploit the Quinn family as you don't give a monkeys about them.
You hate SF, you hate northerners - we get that - but you don't need to use innocent victims you don't care about to make that point.
I disagree and reject all the abusive crap you've directed at me.
Now Foxtrot Oscar.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 06:01:20 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 05:46:33 PM"People insulated from the troubles"
The Quinn savagery took place 9 years after the signing of the GFA.
Why does that matter?
Maybe because of the insinuation that the murder of Quinn was Troubles related.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 06:38:43 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 06:01:20 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 05:46:33 PM"People insulated from the troubles"
The Quinn savagery took place 9 years after the signing of the GFA.
Why does that matter? There's hundreds of families like the Quinns who have never got justice in the community I come from. You are insulated from the suffering the hundreds of these families have gone through, you don't know what it entails - you don't care - this is why what you are doing needs to be called out.
When you hear football fans chanting about girls saying no and paedophiles in order to goad a footballer or a football clubs fans, that is not out of compassion or respect for the individual. It is the type of crass and abhorrent behaviour that people are cynically exploiting a victim of a series crime to score points and goad people.
When you see far right activists hijack a murder or a rape and use the perpetrators nationality to incite hate against a community or ethnicity, that is done without any semblance or thought for the victim or what they feel or respect.
This is what you are doing here, you are behaving like a far right thug, you are like those "activists" who have tried to groom and exploit the partner of that young woman who was killed in Offaly a few years back to stir up hate and division.
I can see what you are doing here. It's abhorrent and you should have a bit of shame and self respect and stop looking to exploit the Quinn family as you don't give a monkeys about them.
You hate SF, you hate northerners - we get that - but you don't need to use innocent victims you don't care about to make that point.
I disagree and reject all the abusive crap you've directed at me.
Now Foxtrot Oscar.
I haven't directed any abusive crap at you. After the way you have abhorrently tried to exploit a victim and their family to make a cheap political point, you now shamelessly try and like a victim. It seems there is now low you won't stoop to.
You don't care about the Quinn family so don't dare try and take their misery and their suffering and manipulate into crass political point scoring. It's abhorrent behaviour and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Quote from: gallsman on October 20, 2025, 06:45:48 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 06:01:20 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 05:46:33 PM"People insulated from the troubles"
The Quinn savagery took place 9 years after the signing of the GFA.
Why does that matter?
Maybe because of the insinuation that the murder of Quinn was Troubles related.
My insinuation was that the Quinn murder was selectively chosen for political purposes.
I made the point that hundreds of families of victims of The Troubles never got justice and those of us from those communities are aware of the suffering and hurt it brings. This is why I found it abhorrent that a guy insulated from that environment would try and exploit these people, the suffering they endured for such a snide and petty motivation.
The guy does not know the Quinn family, he does not care for them. He puts them at the top of his hierarchy of victims because he wants to garner a negative perception of a political party. That is crass, it is cynical, it should be called out.
There are many victims of heinous crimes that the victims families believe FFG have thwarted justice for by protecting the perpetrators. If I singled in on them to score political points it would be every bit as heinous as what he has done.
Quote from: gallsman on October 20, 2025, 05:24:42 PMAnyone checked HoG's IP yet? Which one of you is he a regen of?
Fair play for engaging on the topic and not going the cheap route and playing the man. ::)
No harm to Connolly something was brought up and she cant answer it. Same issue happened Gavin.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 20, 2025, 09:10:02 PMNo harm to Connolly something was brought up and she cant answer it. Same issue happened Gavin.
What hasn't she answered?
Quote from: Franko on October 20, 2025, 08:13:07 PMQuote from: gallsman on October 20, 2025, 05:24:42 PMAnyone checked HoG's IP yet? Which one of you is he a regen of?
Fair play for engaging on the topic and not going the cheap route and playing the man. ::)
Yeah, I mean it's perfectly normal that the board has been as good as dead for 10+ years and then all of sudden a bucketload of really passionate Tyrone ones sign up to talk the county final and get stuck into the politics threads. "New" poster, never engaged with anyone before but there he is accusing long term posters, whatever you may think of them, of hating this, that and the other.
Completely normal behaviour and absolutely something I should take at face value and engage with, yeah?
Quote from: gallsman on October 20, 2025, 09:28:01 PMQuote from: Franko on October 20, 2025, 08:13:07 PMQuote from: gallsman on October 20, 2025, 05:24:42 PMAnyone checked HoG's IP yet? Which one of you is he a regen of?
Fair play for engaging on the topic and not going the cheap route and playing the man. ::)
Yeah, I mean it's perfectly normal that the board has been as good as dead for 10+ years and then all of sudden a bucketload of really passionate Tyrone ones sign up to talk the county final and get stuck into the politics threads. "New" poster, never engaged with anyone before but there he is accusing long term posters, whatever you may think of them, of hating this, that and the other.
Completely normal behaviour and absolutely something I should take at face value and engage with, yeah?
It's abnormal for a new poster to engage in topics on the forum? Do you want me to bow to you because you have more posts than me and are here a length of time? Some ego there boy.
I accussed a poster who has repeated the grotesque establishment line of exploiting victims, without a care in the world for them, for petty political point scoring.
I don't really see what his longevity here has to do with it, it's an utterly abhorrent practice that is sadly becoming the norm down south with the two establishment parties and is attributing to an ever more toxic political reality.
He doesn't care for the Quinn family. I just wanted to point that out.
Consumed his posting history, did you?
You're articulate enough that you're not Truthsayer or Armagh18, I'll give you that much. Low bar tbh.
Snapchap had a solid break there for a bit.
While I know my county man can defend himself, but Rosfan did not bring up the Quinn family. Another poster brought it up as a hypothetical election issue and a few lads bolted out of the stables as if it was now an election issue. As Seafoid correctly pointed out: it's not an election issue. I mean for jaysus sake is there not enough genuine election issues to roar about.
Could it be that the Quinn family see an opportunity to push for answers and publicity during these periods rather than FFG using them for petty political points. Genuine question.
Quote from: gallsman on October 20, 2025, 09:43:21 PMConsumed his posting history, did you?
You're articulate enough that you're not Truthsayer or Armagh18, I'll give you that much. Low bar tbh.
Snapchap had a solid break there for a bit.
Am not even in this conversation and out of nowhere numbnuts gives me a touch.. still reeling because I called out his legal expertise on the court case against Kneecap.
Am I living in your head lad?..
Quote from: gallsman on October 20, 2025, 09:28:01 PMQuote from: Franko on October 20, 2025, 08:13:07 PMQuote from: gallsman on October 20, 2025, 05:24:42 PMAnyone checked HoG's IP yet? Which one of you is he a regen of?
Fair play for engaging on the topic and not going the cheap route and playing the man. ::)
Yeah, I mean it's perfectly normal that the board has been as good as dead for 10+ years and then all of sudden a bucketload of really passionate Tyrone ones sign up to talk the county final and get stuck into the politics threads. "New" poster, never engaged with anyone before but there he is accusing long term posters, whatever you may think of them, of hating this, that and the other.
Completely normal behaviour and absolutely something I should take at face value and engage with, yeah?
Well yeah.
Maybe he's been reading for years and just decided to create an account?
Maybe he's from Tyrone and into politics?
Maybe who gives a fcuk?
You, evidently.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 20, 2025, 09:51:01 PMCould it be that the Quinn family see an opportunity to push for answers and publicity during these periods rather than FFG using them for petty political points. Genuine question.
Absolutely could be the case and the Quinn family have every right to pursue this and advocate for justice but we know the people who will push this on their behalf have little interest in actually delivering that family justice. Their only concern is the political capital they can gain from it.
If you take the Lucia O'Farrell case, imagine Catherine Connolly latched onto that now and used it relentlessly in here debates with Heather Humphreys. That would be cynical wouldn't it, she hasn't done it. She has let Humphreys address it and that be that.
It's the cynical way in which FFG do politics, there are many victims of FFG injustice SF and opposition parties could roll out every election but they don't. Imagine SF started rolling out members of Jo Jo Dullard's family in the next election, that would be cynical and crass wouldn't it? FFG politicians have a long and grosteque recent history when it comes to utterly crass, distorted and offensive commentary on The Troubles that has only served to pour more pain on the victims of British state terrorism.
FF and FG have really went down the American route of attack politics in the past 10-15 years and it has really cheapened political discourse and made the whole environment a lot more toxic in recent years.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 10:28:21 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 20, 2025, 09:51:01 PMCould it be that the Quinn family see an opportunity to push for answers and publicity during these periods rather than FFG using them for petty political points. Genuine question.
Absolutely could be the case and the Quinn family have every right to pursue this and advocate for justice but we know the people who will push this on their behalf have little interest in actually delivering that family justice. Their only concern is the political capital they can gain from it.
If you take the Lucia O'Farrell case, imagine Catherine Connolly latched onto that now and used it relentlessly in here debates with Heather Humphreys. That would be cynical wouldn't it, she hasn't done it. She has let Humphreys address it and that be that.
It's the cynical way in which FFG do politics, there are many victims of FFG injustice SF and opposition parties could roll out every election but they don't. Imagine SF started rolling out members of Jo Jo Dullard's family in the next election, that would be cynical and crass wouldn't it? FFG politicians have a long and grosteque recent history when it comes to utterly crass, distorted and offensive commentary on The Troubles that has only served to pour more pain on the victims of British state terrorism.
FF and FG have really went down the American route of attack politics in the past 10-15 years and it has really cheapened political discourse and made the whole environment a lot more toxic in recent years.
Nobody from FF or FG has raised the Paul Quinn case in this election campaign as far as I'm aware.
It's entirely fabricated on this fcking thread, and people are getting outraged over it!
Some of ye would want to have a look at yourselves.
Quote from: Tubberman on October 20, 2025, 10:30:42 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 10:28:21 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 20, 2025, 09:51:01 PMCould it be that the Quinn family see an opportunity to push for answers and publicity during these periods rather than FFG using them for petty political points. Genuine question.
Absolutely could be the case and the Quinn family have every right to pursue this and advocate for justice but we know the people who will push this on their behalf have little interest in actually delivering that family justice. Their only concern is the political capital they can gain from it.
If you take the Lucia O'Farrell case, imagine Catherine Connolly latched onto that now and used it relentlessly in here debates with Heather Humphreys. That would be cynical wouldn't it, she hasn't done it. She has let Humphreys address it and that be that.
It's the cynical way in which FFG do politics, there are many victims of FFG injustice SF and opposition parties could roll out every election but they don't. Imagine SF started rolling out members of Jo Jo Dullard's family in the next election, that would be cynical and crass wouldn't it? FFG politicians have a long and grosteque recent history when it comes to utterly crass, distorted and offensive commentary on The Troubles that has only served to pour more pain on the victims of British state terrorism.
FF and FG have really went down the American route of attack politics in the past 10-15 years and it has really cheapened political discourse and made the whole environment a lot more toxic in recent years.
Nobody from FF or FG has raised the Paul Quinn case in this election campaign as far as I'm aware.
It's entirely fabricated on this fcking thread, and people are getting outraged over it!
Some of ye would want to have a look at yourselves.
Simon Harris no less, was tweeting about it today.
What steps did you take to make yourself 'aware' before delivering your outraged post?
Its not an election issue.
Today is the anniversary of his murder.
The stock response (dictated from SF HQ?) is "those raising it don't care about the Quinn family".
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 10:38:30 PMIts not an election issue.
Today is the anniversary of his murder.
The stock response (dictated from SF HQ?) is "those raising it don't care about the Quinn family".
Unpalatable as you may find it, in most cases, it's the truth
It's ok to bate a man to death but not ok for anyone to mention it afterwards!.
Provologic or fear of stepping out of line?
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 10:57:59 PMIt's ok to bate a man to death but not ok for anyone to mention it afterwards!.
Provologic or fear of stepping out of line?
If you'd care to point out where anyone except yourself has said that, then please do so
Otherwise, please pipe down, and stop acting the child
The crassness of this post proves HoG's point perfectly
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 10:38:30 PMIts not an election issue.
Today is the anniversary of his murder.
The stock response (dictated from SF HQ?) is "those raising it don't care about the Quinn family".
You are obsessed with SF. So obsessed that you abhorrently travel down the path of exploiting the suffering and pain of a victims family to garner a bit of bad press.
You are reminiscent of the far right "activists" who use Aisling Murphy's death to stir up racism and hate against immigrants. That's the gutter level you have sank to and you seem utterly unrepentant about going down there which I think speaks volumes of your character.
"Shinners" this
"SF HQ" that
You seem to be a bit of a conspiracy theorist along with your hatred of northerners.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 10:57:59 PMIt's ok to bate a man to death but not ok for anyone to mention it afterwards!.
Provologic or fear of stepping out of line?
That seems like a very dignified way to talk about the victim of a terrible crime.
You have absolutely no moral compass whatsoever.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 20, 2025, 04:35:52 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 12:11:08 PMI'd say the Quinn family might just feel that what was done to their son this day 18 years ago was worse than "FFG" f bringing up his horrific murder.
Who suggested otherwise?
Yeah. Thought not.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 10:57:59 PMIt's ok to bate a man to death but not ok for anyone to mention it afterwards!.
Provologic or fear of stepping out of line?
Didn't see any poster suggest it was ok. Care to say which poster did?
https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2025/1008/1537556-liam-farrell/
I can tell you Sinn Féin and the independents have being a lot more help to the Farrell family then FF or Fg
Indeed the family are most disappointed With Fianna Fail as poor Liam was a staunch Fianna Fail supporter all his life and canvassed for several FF candidates ain both local and national elections, From reports the family of Shane O'Farrell have found the same
Quote from: fearbrags on October 21, 2025, 02:53:29 AMhttps://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2025/1008/1537556-liam-farrell/
I can tell you Sinn Féin and the independents have being a lot more help to the Farrell family then FF or Fg
Indeed the family are most disappointed With Fianna Fail as poor Liam was a staunch Fianna Fail supporter all his life and canvassed for several FF candidates ain both local and national elections, From reports the family of Shane O'Farrell have found the same
Why are you bringing this man's death into a presidential debate?
From the Journal...
When asked about Fine Gael barrister who represented clients in other controversial cases, Humphreys said "barristers have a job to do".
"The point I am making is, how can you stand up and give out and criticise and castigate banks and at the same time you're working for them to repossess houses".
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on October 21, 2025, 08:25:48 AMFrom the Journal...
When asked about Fine Gael barrister who represented clients in other controversial cases, Humphreys said "barristers have a job to do".
"The point I am making is, how can you stand up and give out and criticise and castigate banks and at the same time you're working for them to repossess houses".
It's such a a weak hand to be throwing all they have at. That's the way the legal system works. Jim O'Callaghan has represented Gerry Adams, Joe Brolly has represented Winkie Irvine.
It's the way FF and FG and their supporters have Americanised Irish political discourse with attack videos and negative campaigning for the past 10 years. They don't stand for anything themselves so they smear the rest of them is what they do.
The political atmosphere has turned toxic down south and it is solely down to the 2 establishment parties.
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/businessmans-case-attempting-to-halt-presidential-election-thrown-out-of-court/a1549443405.html
Quote from: Hand of God on October 21, 2025, 08:32:25 AMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on October 21, 2025, 08:25:48 AMFrom the Journal...
When asked about Fine Gael barrister who represented clients in other controversial cases, Humphreys said "barristers have a job to do".
"The point I am making is, how can you stand up and give out and criticise and castigate banks and at the same time you're working for them to repossess houses".
It's such a a weak hand to be throwing all they have at. That's the way the legal system works. Jim O'Callaghan has represented Gerry Adams, Joe Brolly has represented Winkie Irvine.
It's the way FF and FG and their supporters have Americanised Irish political discourse with attack videos and negative campaigning for the past 10 years. They don't stand for anything themselves so they smear the rest of them is what they do.
The political atmosphere has turned toxic down south and it is solely down to the 2 establishment parties.
The barrister thing has completely backfired on FG and was poor form. That was her job and 99.9% of Irish barristers would take that job.
However a civil case like home evictions is not the same as a criminal case like Winkie Irvine with a boot full of guns and an Irish government funded degree in his car.
A civil case on home evictions can be turned down for 4 reasons: too busy, not area of expertise, not paid enough, or conflict of interest.
Of course the bar council of Ireland won't say this because they don't want to ruin what is the biggest gravy train in Ireland where bootfuls of money is made from endless tribunals that go nowhere. No one ever met a barrister/lawyer who turned down money. Sure they have no choice and never should be judged on who is paying them. There never was a distinction in Ireland between left and right in this regard and generally FG would be the last party you'd expect to make a fuss on this because I imagine many of these people are FG to the core.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 11:31:00 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 10:38:30 PMIts not an election issue.
Today is the anniversary of his murder.
The stock response (dictated from SF HQ?) is "those raising it don't care about the Quinn family".
You are obsessed with SF. So obsessed that you abhorrently travel down the path of exploiting the suffering and pain of a victims family to garner a bit of bad press.
You are reminiscent of the far right "activists" who use Aisling Murphy's death to stir up racism and hate against immigrants. That's the gutter level you have sank to and you seem utterly unrepentant about going down there which I think speaks volumes of your character.
"Shinners" this
"SF HQ" that
You seem to be a bit of a conspiracy theorist along with your hatred of northerners.
Shinners is common usage. Calling this evidence of *hatred of northerners * is puerile.
What does *hatred of northerners* have to do with the election? Answers on a postcard.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on October 21, 2025, 08:25:48 AMFrom the Journal...
When asked about Fine Gael barrister who represented clients in other controversial cases, Humphreys said "barristers have a job to do".
"The point I am making is, how can you stand up and give out and criticise and castigate banks and at the same time you're working for them to repossess houses".
But it wasn't 'at the same time'. That's the point.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/10/21/fintan-otoole-catherine-connolly-is-going-to-win-heather-humphreys-needs-to-be-a-better-loser/
Fianna Fáil made itself irrelevant to this election – its best hope of salvaging a smidgen of respectability on Friday is for Jim Gavin to function as an empty cipher for the protest vote. This is at least vaguely amusing: Fianna Fáil going into its centenary year as the middle finger for middle Ireland.
In the Sunday Independent, Heather Humphreys unveiled her theme for the last week of the campaign: "Before Catherine got into politics and before I got into politics, she was working for UK banks to repossess Irish homes. I was working as a credit union manager and I was trying to help people with huge financial difficulties that they face and I was trying to keep them in their homes. I have always tried to help people. I've never tried to capitalise on somebody's misfortune and to make money out of it. And that's the difference..."
Independent candidate Catherine Connolly and Fine Gael's Heather Humphreys await the voters' verdict on Friday. Photograph: Dara Mac Dónaill
Independent candidate Catherine Connolly and Fine Gael's Heather Humphreys await the voters' verdict on Friday. Photograph: Dara Mac Dónaill
This is feckless populism. Connolly has many questions to answer and she dodges most of them. But trying to make her guilty by association with the clients she represented when she was working as a barrister is cheap, cynical and corrosive of trust in the justice system.
Fine Gael has form in this regard. During the general election of February 2020 the party sent out Regina Doherty to allege that Fianna Fáil was preparing to enter government with Sinn Féin. Her evidence? That Jim O'Callaghan had once acted as a barrister for Gerry Adams in a defamation case against a national newspaper. He had, she alleged in relation to Sinn Féin, "taken their coin".
In itself, this is absurd – by the same contorted logic, a former Fine Gael taoiseach John A Costello was a traitor to Ireland when he was retained to act for Winston Churchill in a libel case.
But it also raises an obvious question for Fine Gael now: if Connolly is unfit to be president because she took payment from banks to represent them in court, surely the party should refuse to serve in Cabinet with O'Callaghan, who took the Sinn Féin shilling?
Humphreys might also have stopped to wonder about Tom O'Higgins, her party's candidate for president in both 1966 and 1973. In all his years as a senior counsel did he never represent a murderer or a rapist or a bank seeking to repossess some unfortunate person's home or business? Presuming he did, Fine Gael must be relieved he lost both of those elections. How could they have borne the shame otherwise?
Vandalism
As well as being idiotic, however, the decision to scrawl all over Connolly because of who she represented in some court cases is a larger act of vandalism. Democracy and its institutions are under attack across the world – and one of those institutions is a legal system in which everyone has the right to representation in court.
Quote from: seafoid on October 21, 2025, 04:22:18 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 11:31:00 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 10:38:30 PMIts not an election issue.
Today is the anniversary of his murder.
The stock response (dictated from SF HQ?) is "those raising it don't care about the Quinn family".
You are obsessed with SF. So obsessed that you abhorrently travel down the path of exploiting the suffering and pain of a victims family to garner a bit of bad press.
You are reminiscent of the far right "activists" who use Aisling Murphy's death to stir up racism and hate against immigrants. That's the gutter level you have sank to and you seem utterly unrepentant about going down there which I think speaks volumes of your character.
"Shinners" this
"SF HQ" that
You seem to be a bit of a conspiracy theorist along with your hatred of northerners.
Shinners is common usage. Calling this evidence of *hatred of northerners * is puerile.
What does *hatred of northerners* have to do with the election? Answers on a postcard.
That post makes no sense. Shinners, SF HQ and Provologic were three terms that chap used in seperate posts, simply because he was called out for exploiting a victim and their family and attmepting to use their suffering and pain for cynical political point scoring.
It can only be a hatred of northeners that prompts such viciousness and crass remarks. There is nothing unique about SF in the context of Irish politics, they are one of many political parties who used the gun and violence to try and achieve their political objectives.
Rossfan clearly doesn't give a damn about Paul Quinn or Breege Quinn or their families. He has created a hierarchy of victims so he can sling mud. He is the equivalent of far right activists who latch on to the rape and murder victims so they can incite hatred on immigrant communities. It's abhorrent behaviour and it should be called out.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 21, 2025, 04:59:13 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 21, 2025, 04:22:18 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 11:31:00 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 10:38:30 PMIts not an election issue.
Today is the anniversary of his murder.
The stock response (dictated from SF HQ?) is "those raising it don't care about the Quinn family".
You are obsessed with SF. So obsessed that you abhorrently travel down the path of exploiting the suffering and pain of a victims family to garner a bit of bad press.
You are reminiscent of the far right "activists" who use Aisling Murphy's death to stir up racism and hate against immigrants. That's the gutter level you have sank to and you seem utterly unrepentant about going down there which I think speaks volumes of your character.
"Shinners" this
"SF HQ" that
You seem to be a bit of a conspiracy theorist along with your hatred of northerners.
Shinners is common usage. Calling this evidence of *hatred of northerners * is puerile.
What does *hatred of northerners* have to do with the election? Answers on a postcard.
That post makes no sense. Shinners, SF HQ and Provologic were three terms that chap used in seperate posts, simply because he was called out for exploiting a victim and their family and attmepting to use their suffering and pain for cynical political point scoring.
It can only be a hatred of northeners that prompts such viciousness and crass remarks. There is nothing unique about SF in the context of Irish politics, they are one of many political parties who used the gun and violence to try and achieve their political objectives.
Rossfan clearly doesn't give a damn about Paul Quinn or Breege Quinn or their families. He has created a hierarchy of victims so he can sling mud. He is the equivalent of far right activists who latch on to the rape and murder victims so they can incite hatred on immigrant communities. It's abhorrent behaviour and it should be called out.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 21, 2025, 04:59:13 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 21, 2025, 04:22:18 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 11:31:00 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 10:38:30 PMIts not an election issue.
Today is the anniversary of his murder.
The stock response (dictated from SF HQ?) is "those raising it don't care about the Quinn family".
You are obsessed with SF. So obsessed that you abhorrently travel down the path of exploiting the suffering and pain of a victims family to garner a bit of bad press.
You are reminiscent of the far right "activists" who use Aisling Murphy's death to stir up racism and hate against immigrants. That's the gutter level you have sank to and you seem utterly unrepentant about going down there which I think speaks volumes of your character.
"Shinners" this
"SF HQ" that
You seem to be a bit of a conspiracy theorist along with your hatred of northerners.
Shinners is common usage. Calling this evidence of *hatred of northerners * is puerile.
What does *hatred of northerners* have to do with the election? Answers on a postcard.
That post makes no sense. Shinners, SF HQ and Provologic were three terms that chap used in seperate posts, simply because he was called out for exploiting a victim and their family and attmepting to use their suffering and pain for cynical political point scoring.
It can only be a hatred of northeners that prompts such viciousness and crass remarks. There is nothing unique about SF in the context of Irish politics, they are one of many political parties who used the gun and violence to try and achieve their political objectives.
Rossfan clearly doesn't give a damn about Paul Quinn or Breege Quinn or their families. He has created a hierarchy of victims so he can sling mud. He is the equivalent of far right activists who latch on to the rape and murder victims so they can incite hatred on immigrant communities. It's abhorrent behaviour and it should be called out.
Your last paragraph is pure narcissism. It's DARVO-
Deny,Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender.
You attack Rossfan but you deny it. You paint youself as the victim but you are the offender.
This has nothing to do with the election.
Standard ProvoAnon behaviour. You see they are the ones who actually care about Paul Quinn and the truth. They are deeply concerned about his family possibly being exploited by a shadow cabal of securocrats, free staters and the LOL.
Quote from: seafoid on October 21, 2025, 05:47:05 PMDeny,Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender.
You attack Rossfan but you deny it. You paint youself as the victim but you are the offender.
This has nothing to do with the election.
I didn't attack anyone. I called out abhorrent behaviour.
The fact that you get exercised when your buddy uses the same sort of tactics as the far right do. You don't care about Paul Quinn, his family and his suffering but you support someone who doesn't care about victims using them and exploiting them in a deeply cynical way for political point scoring.
It's wrong when the far right try and use rape and murder victims to incite hatred against immigrants.
It's wrong when you and your buddies create a hierarchy of victims to score political points in a crass and cynical manner.
That is not an attack in way at all. It's a statement on the crass way you and your buddy carry yourself and exploit the vulnerable for such nasty motives. Shame on you.
Quote from: DaleCooper on October 21, 2025, 05:50:20 PMStandard ProvoAnon behaviour. You see they are the ones who actually care about Paul Quinn and the truth. They are deeply concerned about his family possibly being exploited by a shadow cabal of securocrats, free staters and the LOL.
Weird response. My issue is not that I pretend to care for the Quinn family or anything like that. There are plenty of people pretending to care for the Quinn family.
There is plenty of whataboutery I could engage right here right now. There are plenty of victims of murder, of sex crimes and everything else whose families fully believe members of FF and FG protected the perpetrators of. If I wanted to exploit those victims and pretend I cared about them to have a few digs at the Irish political establishment, I could.
I clearly have a lot more moral clarity than you in regard to those who have lost loved ones and suffer.
Yes you have more moral clarity than anyone. Just like Shinners, the arbiters of moral virtue on the island of Ireland.
The pious concern trolling is always amusing.
Quote from: DaleCooper on October 21, 2025, 06:52:31 PMYes you have more moral clarity than anyone. Just like Shinners, the arbiters of moral virtue on the island of Ireland.
The pious concern trolling is always amusing.
You're projecting a bit here.
I'm not showing pious concern for anyone. I'm calling out abhorrent behaviour. It's not my business to defend the Quinn family, as I said more power to them to advocate for justice.
People like you are crass, that's not pious concern - that's a summation for your intentions here. You want to use the Quinn family to sling political mud - me pointing that out is not me showing concern for the Quinn family - its exposing you and others who have created a hierarchy of victims to sling mud.
When far right activists crusades behind a victim of murder or rape or assault and thus creates a hierarchy of victims. They do it for a cynical purpose, they don't do it out of concern for the victim or other victims - they do it for one simple reason - highlighting one specific case or cases that allow them to incite hate against immigrants
People like you don't care about the Quinn family, you just don't and it's crass and shameless beyond belief to exploit any victim in that way.
As I said I could easily start throwing all sorts of victims names here whose families and loves ones fully believe that justice was never served as FF or FG were protecting people that were implicated in killings, rapes and other serious crimes. By doing so I would be stooping to the levels you are, for what end - scoring political points.
You are exposing yourself as living in the gutter. It's the type of behaviour we have become accustomed to up here from unionists for years. Victims of state terrorism don't matter to them. The likes of Doug Beattie getting exercised at victims of paramilitaries but out praising the security forces, denying collusion and staying deadly silent as victims of state terrorism campaign for justice. That's the type of crass slonganeering you're engaging in now but embarrass yourself further.
There are some decent people here too and they will see you sinking to the gutter.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/10/21/fintan-otoole-catherine-connolly-is-going-to-win-heather-humphreys-needs-to-be-a-better-loser/
That system only works if lawyers separate their personal from their professional instincts. No decent human being would not be revolted by, for example, a man who has admitted to multiple sexual offences against children. But no professional barrister should deny that man the opportunity to plead his case.
Humphreys surely knows that this crucial principle is currently being assaulted by Donald Trump in the US. He has gone after one law firm for "representing failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton", another for assisting special counsel Jack Smith in his investigations of Trump's attempted coup, two others for their association with Robert Mueller's investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 campaign and a fourth for representing the voting machines company Dominion in its successful law suit against Fox News.
Equally, one of the nastiest aspects of the immigration debate in Britain is the vilification of lawyers for representing migrants and asylum seekers. The Conservatives, while in government, spread hysteria about "an activist blob of left-wing lawyers" as the villains of the "small boats" scare. Unsurprisingly, this rhetoric has fuelled physical attacks, including fire-bombings of law offices.
In this atmosphere, Humphreys surely knows that her cheap shot at Connolly comes with a very heavy price tag – it destroys Fine Gael's historic claim to be the party of law and order. There can be neither law nor order if solicitors and barristers decide only to work for good people and nice companies. Fine Gael, a lawyer-saturated party, understands this perfectly well, yet can't resist the infantile urge to take its big black marker to the face of the justice system.
Connolly is going to be our next president and it is in the interests of all citizens that she be allowed to ascend into that office with grace and dignity. The governing parties need to reflect long and hard on why they have been unable to ever look like winning this election. Humphreys should start that process by not being such a bad loser.
He was a fair bit older than me so it was very striking to me. Older generations would say "ah well he must have done something bad to deserve that" etc etc.
The sheer levels of cowardice involved by the hard men. Pathetic if nothing else. What's that quote about power and corruption?
The same crew will whinge endlessly about the abuse in the Catholic church, oblivious that the exact same dynamics are at play. Brainwashed loyalists.
There is something visceral and sickening about the Quinn murder that couldn't be abstracted away as war or "a uniform". That's why people ,even die hard Republicans were outraged. Not because of point scoring but because the defenders of the people did this to one of their own.
Anyway sorry to add to the distraction from the main topic. Connolly a cert?
Quote from: DaleCooper on October 21, 2025, 08:10:09 PMHe was a fair bit older than me so it was very striking to me. Older generations would say "ah well he must have done something bad to deserve that" etc etc.
The sheer levels of cowardice involved by the hard men. Pathetic if nothing else. What's that quote about power and corruption?
The same crew will whinge endlessly about the abuse in the Catholic church, oblivious that the exact same dynamics are at play. Brainwashed loyalists.
There is something visceral and sickening about the Quinn murder that couldn't be abstracted away as war or "a uniform". That's why people ,even die hard Republicans were outraged. Not because of point scoring but because the defenders of the people did this to one of their own.
Anyway sorry to add to the distraction from the main topic. Connolly a cert?
So you have created a hierarchy of victims.
It was a savage murder, it was thuggery, it was grotesque violence. That doesn't make it unique up north. Nobody will deny that. Ross Fan on three occasions alleged that people were justifying the murder here. Three times he was asked where that been said. He dodged it on three occasions waffling on about shinners, SF HQ and Provologic. You think he is sincere about wanting justice for the Quinn family? You seriously in believe that.
You think Micheal Martin who goes to meet Breege Quinn on the eve on an election and then drops her like a hot plate after it is sincere in wanting justice for Paul Quinn? This is a guy who said on live TV that the Provos were to blame for The Troubles with any equivocation. You don't think his motivations are cynical?
Heather Humphreys unable to answer any question.
Talking about foxes, who the f**k makes these questions up? Plus interviewers doing nothing but interrupt.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 21, 2025, 10:13:38 PMTalking about foxes, who the f**k makes these questions up?
And Heather is poor at even answering that question.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 21, 2025, 10:13:38 PMTalking about foxes, who the f**k makes these questions up? Plus interviewers doing nothing but interrupt.
Theres plenty of doses worried about the poor wee fox lol.
I wouldn't vote for either, limited choice. Gonna have to look at the criteria for shortlisting 7yrs time
Catherine Connolly will make a wonderful president. I don't think anyone can deny the humanity, honesty and sincerity she displays.
Its in stark contrast to the negative campaigning and attack politics used by FG throughout.
The centre right parties really engage in gutter politics.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 21, 2025, 10:29:50 PMCatherine Connolly will make a wonderful president. I don't think anyone can deny the humanity, honesty and sincerity she displays.
Its in stark contrast to the negative campaigning and attack politics used by FG throughout.
The centre right parties really engage in gutter politics.
Connolly has been poor tonight, refused to answer several questions.
Maybe tiredness, maybe the facade beginning to slip.
Heather Humphrey's so far out of her depth. Questions are woeful and interviewers even worse. Heather rambling on about foxes .... That will be of great help to Ireland as President. She hasn't answered a question yet at least Catherine Connolly has answered anything put to her.
Quote from: Tubberman on October 21, 2025, 10:35:16 PMConnolly has been poor tonight, refused to answer several questions.
Maybe tiredness, maybe the facade beginning to slip.
She has it in the bag if she says as little as possible.
She is certainly not a good judge of character though. Hangs around with some of the worst.
Armagh Girl. She was asked about foxes. Which i thought a real stupid question.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 21, 2025, 10:29:50 PMCatherine Connolly will make a wonderful president. I don't think anyone can deny the humanity, honesty and sincerity she displays.
Its in stark contrast to the negative campaigning and attack politics used by FG throughout.
The centre right parties really engage in gutter politics.
Spot on.
Humphries repeatedly refused to say whether she agreed that the USA had enabled the Genocide in Gaza.
Either she didn't know who supplied the bombs that killed 70,000 people, or she thinks we should be silent about who supplied them.
Morally f**king bankrupt.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 20, 2025, 02:13:08 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 20, 2025, 12:11:08 PMI'd say the Quinn family might just feel that what was done to their son this day 18 years ago was worse than "FFG" f bringing up his horrific murder.
I'd question your sincerity here and believe much like FF and FG you have little compassion for what the Quinn family have actually gone through. They are just a vehicle for you to score political points which is an abhorrently cynical thing to do.
This spat has dragged on since the initial post above.
In my opinion Rossfan should acknowledge that his post was ill-judged and merely political point-scoring.
We can all speak out of turn on occasion.
I quite understand that it could also be considered to be offensive though that was not the intention.
At the same time I would say that Hand of God is taking the high moral ground in a tragic situation where there can be no high moral ground.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 21, 2025, 11:26:29 PMHumphries repeatedly refused to say whether she agreed that the USA had enabled the Genocide in Gaza.
Either she didn't know who supplied the bombs that killed 70,000 people, or she thinks we should be silent about who supplied them.
Morally f**king bankrupt.
Yeah that was bad work from her. Highly doubt theres many in Ireland wouldn't agree that the US enabled the genocide.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 21, 2025, 10:29:50 PMCatherine Connolly will make a wonderful president. I don't think anyone can deny the humanity, honesty and sincerity she displays.
Yeah, unless you are a Ukrainian being bombed by Russia.
Humphreys is uncommonly useless for someone that has been a minister for years. Useless is still much better than dangerous, but it is a disappointing choice.
Stupid ambitious types are the most dangerous type.
Kurt Von Hammerstein
Tired of looking at old people tbh, wish there was someone young. I think the Collison bros aren't even eligible yet
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 20, 2025, 11:18:56 AMQuote from: Pub Bore on October 20, 2025, 11:11:01 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 20, 2025, 11:07:23 AMThe mudslinging from FFG is unreal.
How long will it be until the family of poor Paul Quinn are wheeled out to try and tie Connolly to that.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/1020/1539434-paul-quinn-appeal/
First part of that, Humphrey's will roll in behind this no doubt with a photo shoot with Breege and a strongly worded Maria Cahill article will do the rounds. Inevitable
This is where it began actually.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 21, 2025, 11:53:15 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 21, 2025, 10:29:50 PMCatherine Connolly will make a wonderful president. I don't think anyone can deny the humanity, honesty and sincerity she displays.
Yeah, unless you are a Ukrainian being bombed by Russia.
Humphreys is uncommonly useless for someone that has been a minister for years. Useless is still much better than dangerous, but it is a disappointing choice.
I'm sure Heather will be straight to the front lines...
If only...
Quote from: armaghniac on October 21, 2025, 11:53:15 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 21, 2025, 10:29:50 PMCatherine Connolly will make a wonderful president. I don't think anyone can deny the humanity, honesty and sincerity she displays.
Yeah, unless you are a Ukrainian being bombed by Russia.
Humphreys is uncommonly useless for someone that has been a minister for years. Useless is still much better than dangerous, but it is a disappointing choice.
Why do you feel the need to spread blatant untruths about Catherine Connolly?
She doesn't support Russia, she has repeatedly condemned the invasion and called for Putin and Russia to be held to account. That's on public record.
You are cynically attempting to smear her with lies and fabrications. You want people to think she is in favour of the Russian invasion. The opposite is true. The only nuance is that she has said she shouldn't overlook the Wests role in making Ukraine the victim of a proxy war between two superpowers.
I think you are adopting smear because you hold some very very dubious and questionable questions.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 21, 2025, 11:42:13 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 21, 2025, 11:26:29 PMHumphries repeatedly refused to say whether she agreed that the USA had enabled the Genocide in Gaza.
Either she didn't know who supplied the bombs that killed 70,000 people, or she thinks we should be silent about who supplied them.
Morally f**king bankrupt.
Yeah that was bad work from her. Highly doubt theres many in Ireland wouldn't agree that the US enabled the genocide.
Along with the times where she asked about 5 times whether or not she ever disagreed or criticised the EU on anything. She could not provide one specific example of such when pressed. She said in a previous interview that she would support the EU no question, that surely is a worry.
The media and government have gone at great lengths to paint Connolly as "far left" throughout the campaign. I don't know exactly what is far left about her. I would consider her positions to be moderate left. The real issue is the switch of politics in Europe over the past 15 years more and more to the right. where anything left of their position is smeared with false labels and dramatically exaggerated
Is being critical of the EU and US foreign policy, their war mongering, their undermining of international law and support of genocide really what classifies someone as "far left" now? Is criticsing the failures of capitalism "far left"? Is asking for the billionaires and elite to pay a higher share of tax when you see the grotesque profits being made and growing wealth inequality "far left"? Is advocating for more state regulation, social housing, providing affordable healthcare to whoever requires it "far left"? I think these are much needed and very simple reforms needed in our society but the centre right ruling parties try to smear people who call and advocate for them "far left".
Its the relentless smear that FF and FG consistently engage. Imagine the backlash if Mary Lou referred to Micheal Martin as far right and a Nazi on a regular basis. Imagine if someone in the opposition referred to a gov TD as a puppet of Netanyahu in the Dail? Martin and Harris consistently behave like Twitter trolls in the Dail.
Quote from: Tubberman on October 22, 2025, 06:56:37 AMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 20, 2025, 11:18:56 AMQuote from: Pub Bore on October 20, 2025, 11:11:01 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 20, 2025, 11:07:23 AMThe mudslinging from FFG is unreal.
How long will it be until the family of poor Paul Quinn are wheeled out to try and tie Connolly to that.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/1020/1539434-paul-quinn-appeal/
First part of that, Humphrey's will roll in behind this no doubt with a photo shoot with Breege and a strongly worded Maria Cahill article will do the rounds. Inevitable
This is where it began actually.
Yes it is and I still stand over it at the time as history has shown me that the family have been used in the past to score political points by what I would see as 'bad actors'. Thankfully it did not emerge as such and Breege got her point across as best as she could, maybe it was deemed that as SF were not running an actual candidate there was limited value in using her story. Who knows.
Unlike I'd say 99.99999% of the people on this board i know these people. Breege's nephew and I were very close friends for years growing up. I know the family quite well and unlike many on this board as well my actual identity on here is also quite known so I am not hiding behind a pseudonym.
There are a lot of side issues around the circumstances that saw him being murdered but that never ever justifies what happened to him. People may suspect who killed him but that is all they can do. From my knowledge of what happened it was related directly to organised crime where people involved were historically from a republican background but even in South Armagh that does not have the sway it used to. This is evidenced by the fact that loyalists and Dublin drug dealers are connected to gangs in the area. This would not have happened in the 'good old days'.
For absolute clarity, it was a horrendous murder and if anyone can get information to the guards/PSNI that would support any conviction that should happen. My only issue is the abuse of the family by people who really don't have their interests at heart. This is something which is done all the time and not just here.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 22, 2025, 09:34:30 AMQuote from: Tubberman on October 22, 2025, 06:56:37 AMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 20, 2025, 11:18:56 AMQuote from: Pub Bore on October 20, 2025, 11:11:01 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 20, 2025, 11:07:23 AMThe mudslinging from FFG is unreal.
How long will it be until the family of poor Paul Quinn are wheeled out to try and tie Connolly to that.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/1020/1539434-paul-quinn-appeal/
First part of that, Humphrey's will roll in behind this no doubt with a photo shoot with Breege and a strongly worded Maria Cahill article will do the rounds. Inevitable
This is where it began actually.
Yes it is and I still stand over it at the time as history has shown me that the family have been used in the past to score political points by what I would see as 'bad actors'. Thankfully it did not emerge as such and Breege got her point across as best as she could, maybe it was deemed that as SF were not running an actual candidate there was limited value in using her story. Who knows.
Unlike I'd say 99.99999% of the people on this board i know these people. Breege's nephew and I were very close friends for years growing up. I know the family quite well and unlike many on this board as well my actual identity on here is also quite known so I am not hiding behind a pseudonym.
There are a lot of side issues around the circumstances that saw him being murdered but that never ever justifies what happened to him. People may suspect who killed him but that is all they can do. From my knowledge of what happened it was related directly to organised crime where people involved were historically from a republican background but even in South Armagh that does not have the sway it used to. This is evidenced by the fact that loyalists and Dublin drug dealers are connected to gangs in the area. This would not have happened in the 'good old days'.
For absolute clarity, it was a horrendous murder and if anyone can get information to the guards/PSNI that would support any conviction that should happen. My only issue is the abuse of the family by people who really don't have their interests at heart. This is something which is done all the time and not just here.
Very well said.
It's all over bar the shouting but Indo doing its best to make it close. That said, this level of objections makes Paul Murphy look like an amateur in the objection stakes.
How Catherine Connolly objected to major Galway projects including bypass, new school campus, private hospital and new GAA ground
Eavan Murray
October 22 2025
On the last day of the Oireachtas term, Catherine Connolly bemoaned the lack of infrastructure in her native Galway.
"This is a major obstacle to development," she said in the chamber to �Tánaiste Simon Harris.
But in her 26 years in public life, firstly as a councillor and later a TD for Galway West, Ms Connolly objected to a series of major infrastructure projects in the city.
These include the Galway bypass, a IR£60m private hospital, expanding a major shopping centre, a new school, an offshore windfarm, and a BusConnects corridor.
They also include commercial developments, housing projects, floodlights at Pearse Stadium and a new GAA ground for Castlegar Hurling Club.
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Irish presidential independent candidate Catherine Connolly arrives to take part in the final debate of the Irish presidential election campaign at the RTE studios in Donnybrook. Photo: PA
In a blistering row in May 2004, Ms Connolly and her sister Colette were decried by former minister Frank Fahey for objecting "to practically everything in the area for the past few years".
The then-junior minister was incensed after Colette Connolly objected to the development of a cancer care facility at University Hospital Galway (UHG).
The objection was grounded in fears there would be an increase in traffic at the Shantalla entrance to the hospital.
Connolly's mission in life is to be the most difficult person in the room.
Quote from: Fogarty on October 22, 2025, 11:26:26 AMConnolly's mission in life is to be the most difficult person in the room.
we need someone who will agree with everything and not use their judgement.
I am left leaning anyway so will vote for connolly. I also worked in the area of mortgage arrears for a decade so see no hypocrisy in her in relation to her work as a barrister. A question for both should have been do they believe in repossession when a mortgage is in arrears and all other options have been exhausted. there are massive protections for customers in Ireland, most countries repo before legal action can start in ireland
I read some posts from pro govt/humphreys types and my X feed is full of posts from 5/10 people who post 10/15 times a day attacking Connolly, usually with inaccuracies in their posts.
Last night and all through this election I think connolly is being herself. You might not like her or her opinions but she is being who she is.
I think Humphreys is trying to be someone she isn't, I don't feel she is being natural.
I'm obviosuly a little bias.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 22, 2025, 11:36:02 AMQuote from: Fogarty on October 22, 2025, 11:26:26 AMConnolly's mission in life is to be the most difficult person in the room.
I read some posts from pro govt/humphreys types and my X feed is full of posts from 5/10 people who post 10/15 times a day attacking Connolly, usually with inaccuracies in their posts.
This is also a common tactic and used frequently by MSM journalists and govt politicians.
The way her thoughts and views on the Ukranian situation, which is for me very balanced and mature. She utterly condemns Russia and has been consistent on that since the outset but we have right wing types who continually try and portray and misrepresent her campaign here. In their mind if you are in any way whatsoever critical of the NATO, the US, the EU you are far left and pro-Russian.
Just a few posts back you can Armaghniac trying this completely baseless smear.
Can anyone show me a quote where Catherine Connolly has justified the Russian invasion?
Most Galway residents I know are voting for Connolly to get her out of the place as she's stopped just about every project for years!
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 22, 2025, 11:36:02 AMQuote from: Fogarty on October 22, 2025, 11:26:26 AMConnolly's mission in life is to be the most difficult person in the room.
we need someone who will agree with everything and not use their judgement.
I am left leaning anyway so will vote for connolly. I also worked in the area of mortgage arrears for a decade so see no hypocrisy in her in relation to her work as a barrister. A question for both should have been do they believe in repossession when a mortgage is in arrears and all other options have been exhausted. there are massive protections for customers in Ireland, most countries repo before legal action can start in ireland
I read some posts from pro govt/humphreys types and my X feed is full of posts from 5/10 people who post 10/15 times a day attacking Connolly, usually with inaccuracies in their posts.
Last night and all through this election I think connolly is being herself. You might not like her or her opinions but she is being who she is.
I think Humphreys is trying to be someone she isn't, I don't feel she is being natural.
I'm obviosuly a little bias.
Is repossession common in Ireland? Obviously if it's a second property it's a no brainer but it was my impression it was near impossible in Ireland if it's the family home and kids are involved?
Quote from: Rossfan on October 22, 2025, 12:05:18 PMMost Galway residents I know are voting for Connolly to get her out of the place as she's stopped just about every project for years!
I'm sure that's why people would vote for her to get one of the highest offices in the land.
::)
Quote from: Look-Up! on October 22, 2025, 12:07:05 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 22, 2025, 11:36:02 AMQuote from: Fogarty on October 22, 2025, 11:26:26 AMConnolly's mission in life is to be the most difficult person in the room.
we need someone who will agree with everything and not use their judgement.
I am left leaning anyway so will vote for connolly. I also worked in the area of mortgage arrears for a decade so see no hypocrisy in her in relation to her work as a barrister. A question for both should have been do they believe in repossession when a mortgage is in arrears and all other options have been exhausted. there are massive protections for customers in Ireland, most countries repo before legal action can start in ireland
I read some posts from pro govt/humphreys types and my X feed is full of posts from 5/10 people who post 10/15 times a day attacking Connolly, usually with inaccuracies in their posts.
Last night and all through this election I think connolly is being herself. You might not like her or her opinions but she is being who she is.
I think Humphreys is trying to be someone she isn't, I don't feel she is being natural.
I'm obviosuly a little bias.
Is repossession common in Ireland? Obviously if it's a second property it's a no brainer but it was my impression it was near impossible in Ireland if it's the family home and kids are involved?
There are many reasons why reposessions are low. Its running at about 25 a qtr I think now. There are about 20,000 accounts more than 12 payments in arrears, for context. there are alot more than 25 people with repossessions orders but not executed for one reason or another, sheriff won't do their job, there are stays that get extend, deals done at Last minute, MTR, insolvency, reputation of banks or Vultures. Buy to let's are different, go into arrears, contract allows a receiver to be appointed and their role usually means a sale of property to clear down as much of debt as possible.
I think the results will closer than polls are suggesting.
what county's will vote for each candidate. no research done, pure guesswork.
Guess would be Donegel, sligo, Leitrim, Galway, Clare, Kerry, Waterford, limerick, Dublin,louth, Cavan, Kildare, Meath, kilkenny that CC gets more votes than HH
Mayo, wicklow, Wexford, Roscommon,Longford, Monaghan that HH gets more votes than CC.
interesting to see which counties have more JG or Spoilt votes too as a % of vote turnout in each county.
The rest I'm not sure off.
I would think there is actually a distinct possibilty CC could well actually beat HH in her own backyard.
Voter turnout will have a lot to do with the margin. Older people are generally more likely to turn up and vote which would suit HH. The higher the turnout the larger the margin of victory I'd say.
AI fake stuff the last effort to stop people voting?
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/16boG7Quap/
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 22, 2025, 03:59:28 PMAI fake stuff the last effort to stop people voting?
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/16boG7Quap/
I came here to post this. Absolutely nuts.
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 22, 2025, 06:34:04 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on October 22, 2025, 03:59:28 PMAI fake stuff the last effort to stop people voting?
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/16boG7Quap/
I came here to post this. Absolutely nuts.
Noticeably fake when you look at it, but if you were scrolling and not really paying attention people could be fooled easily enough. Technology is mad Ted.
Connolly hasn't much personality and is a bit smug as she knows she will get it. Humphries is genuine enough but not really suited to being president.
https://x.com/gavreilly/status/1981077460830552519?t=H7C6CgiB5-Td7ctTTpR6aA&s=19
Looks like a 1st Count victory for CC then.
Which was the GAA club that Connolly objected to in Galway?
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2025, 07:07:21 PMConnolly hasn't much personality and is a bit smug as she knows she will get it. Humphries is genuine enough but not really suited to being president.
Would have the complete opposite view. Think one of the main reasons Connolly is ahead in the polls is her authenticity and willingness to speak out against injustices and face the media backlash of doing so.
Humphreys on the opposite side, is very much at pains trying to tell us that she is a lovely, caring community woman where her voting record is govt and treatment to Lucia O'Farrell paints a completely different picture combined with the negative campaigning and attack politics her campaign has carried out.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 07:49:02 AMWhich was the GAA club that Connolly objected to in Galway?
Castlegar per the post by weareros.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 23, 2025, 09:16:12 AMQuote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2025, 07:07:21 PMConnolly hasn't much personality and is a bit smug as she knows she will get it. Humphries is genuine enough but not really suited to being president.
Would have the complete opposite view. Think one of the main reasons Connolly is ahead in the polls is her authenticity and willingness to speak out against injustices and face the media backlash of doing so.
Humphreys on the opposite side, is very much at pains trying to tell us that she is a lovely, caring community woman where her voting record is govt and treatment to Lucia O'Farrell paints a completely different picture combined with the negative campaigning and attack politics her campaign has carried out.
Humphreys didn't intend to go for President. She had retired from Politics. Her Party put her forward with no alternative as Mairead McGuinness pulled out. McGuinness was better suited.
Connolly is well able to talk and a former barrister. She is very dour. Then again so was Jim Gavin.
Connolly is far more savvy politician, she's well able to duck the hard questions. If she gets asked about her Russia friendly stance over the Ukraine invasion, she pivots to talk about Gaza.
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 23, 2025, 11:45:34 AMConnolly is far more savvy politician, she's well able to duck the hard questions. If she gets asked about her Russia friendly stance over the Ukraine invasion, she pivots to talk about Gaza.
What's this Russia friendly stance she has?
Quote from: Hand of God on October 23, 2025, 09:16:12 AMQuote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2025, 07:07:21 PMConnolly hasn't much personality and is a bit smug as she knows she will get it. Humphries is genuine enough but not really suited to being president.
Would have the complete opposite view. Think one of the main reasons Connolly is ahead in the polls is her authenticity and willingness to speak out against injustices and face the media backlash of doing so.
Humphreys on the opposite side, is very much at pains trying to tell us that she is a lovely, caring community woman where her voting record is govt and treatment to Lucia O'Farrell paints a completely different picture combined with the negative campaigning and attack politics her campaign has carried out.
100% !
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 23, 2025, 11:52:17 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 23, 2025, 11:45:34 AMConnolly is far more savvy politician, she's well able to duck the hard questions. If she gets asked about her Russia friendly stance over the Ukraine invasion, she pivots to talk about Gaza.
What's this Russia friendly stance she has?
Immediately mentions NATO, starts bemoaning the lacks of voices for peace - which is both siding it, complains about European countries increasing defence spend.
This is exactly the same as what Kremlin voices do. Paint the 'special military operation' as some sort of mutual dispute.
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 23, 2025, 12:04:08 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 23, 2025, 11:52:17 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 23, 2025, 11:45:34 AMConnolly is far more savvy politician, she's well able to duck the hard questions. If she gets asked about her Russia friendly stance over the Ukraine invasion, she pivots to talk about Gaza.
What's this Russia friendly stance she has?
Immediately mentions NATO, starts bemoaning the lacks of voices for peace - which is both siding it, complains about European countries increasing defence spend.
This is exactly the same as what Kremlin voices do. Paint the 'special military operation' as some sort of mutual dispute.
She described countries like Estonia and Latvia understandably joining NATO as 'moving missiles up to the border of Russia'.
And even used that as some sort of 'context' in which to view the Skripal poisonings.
In tankie world, Russia is never an aggressor, always provoked.
Staggering.
It's the - yes, ok, but she was wearing a short skirt and dancing provocatively defence.
Poor Russia, never fully meaning to commit its latest atrocities and outrages.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 23, 2025, 09:16:12 AMHumphreys on the opposite side, is very much at pains trying to tell us that she is a lovely, caring community woman where her voting record is govt and treatment to Lucia O'Farrell paints a completely different picture combined with the negative campaigning and attack politics her campaign has carried out.
She was part of the credit union movement and worked in the community for years. No doubt she could done more on the O'Farrell case, but she did act on it, it is not as if she told the woman to go away. As for her record in government, she was in a government with the highest rate of house building in Europe, with one of highest proportions of welfare spending as a proportion of government expenditure in Europe, and where wages increased 45% while she was there, a 12% real increase. It isn't as if she was working for Trump despite all the bollix claims.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 02:04:41 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 23, 2025, 09:16:12 AMHumphreys on the opposite side, is very much at pains trying to tell us that she is a lovely, caring community woman where her voting record is govt and treatment to Lucia O'Farrell paints a completely different picture combined with the negative campaigning and attack politics her campaign has carried out.
She was part of the credit union movement and worked in the community for years. No doubt she could done more on the O'Farrell case, but she did act on it, it is not as if she told the woman to go away. As for her record in government, she was in a government with the highest rate of house building in Europe, with one of highest proportions of welfare spending as a proportion of government expenditure in Europe, and where wages increased 45% while she was there, a 12% real increase. It isn't as if she was working for Trump despite all the bollix claims.
You seem to differ with Lucia O'Farrell on what Heather Humphreys did for her son. Lucia O'Farrell seems to be under the illusion Heather Humphreys did absolutely nothing to assist her family get justice despite repeated requests. Never met with the family, never backed any motions to order a public enquiry, never attended a vigil for him.
I do find it odd how you attack Connolly with little basis but defend Humphreys.
You are clearly on the right wing of the political spectrum and Catherine Connolly is too much to the left of your position for you to vote for her.
Humphreys term in govt was mired with repeated harsh measures against the most vulnerable in society. That does not add up to the caring, kind, community person she tries to portray herself. Neither does her negative campaigning and attack politics. This is something Catherine Connolly has stayed away from in her campaign.
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Quote from: Hand of God on October 23, 2025, 02:13:17 PMYou seem to differ with Lucia O'Farrell on what Heather Humphreys did for her son. Lucia O'Farrell seems to be under the illusion Heather Humphreys did absolutely nothing to assist her family get justice despite repeated requests. Never met with the family, never backed any motions to order a public enquiry, never attended a vigil for him.
I only know what Humphreys said. She did not meet with the family, but spoke with them on the phone, it isn't her business to attend vigils but to act as a TD, which she did. She may not have over exerted herself and she admits that. Which of use could not have done better in some cases in the past?
Quote from: Hand of God on October 23, 2025, 02:13:17 PMYou are clearly on the right wing of the political spectrum and Catherine Connolly is too much to the left of your position for you to vote for her.
I am in the centre politically, Connolly is too much to left of reality.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 23, 2025, 02:13:17 PMHumphreys term in govt was mired with repeated harsh measures against the most vulnerable in society.
This is fantasy. Not everyone got what they wanted, but Ireland is generous to people by any international standard.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 05:55:07 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 23, 2025, 02:13:17 PMYou seem to differ with Lucia O'Farrell on what Heather Humphreys did for her son. Lucia O'Farrell seems to be under the illusion Heather Humphreys did absolutely nothing to assist her family get justice despite repeated requests. Never met with the family, never backed any motions to order a public enquiry, never attended a vigil for him.
I only know what Humphreys said. She did not meet with the family, but spoke with them on the phone, it isn't her business to attend vigils but to act as a TD, which she did. She may not have over exerted herself and she admits that. Which of use could not have done better in some cases in the past?
Quote from: Hand of God on October 23, 2025, 02:13:17 PMYou are clearly on the right wing of the political spectrum and Catherine Connolly is too much to the left of your position for you to vote for her.
I am in the centre politically, Connolly is too much to left of reality.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 23, 2025, 02:13:17 PMHumphreys term in govt was mired with repeated harsh measures against the most vulnerable in society.
This is fantasy. Not everyone got what they wanted, but Ireland is generous to people by any international standard.
You are a hard right of centre. Keir Starmer describes himself as centrist, where you think you are politically and where you actually are is significantly difficult.
On Humphreys, why are you putting forward her case and ignoring that the victims mother utterly rejects her position. Can you acknowledge now that Lucia O'Farrell rejects HH's account of event and has been scathing of the way she handled the family's campaign. This was not a party political incident, it was a very personal issue that Lucia O'Farrell felt badly failed by her constituency minister.
What Humphreys motivation was here is anyone's guess but the optics are terrible.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 23, 2025, 07:13:05 PMYou are a hard right of centre. Keir Starmer describes himself as centrist, where you think you are politically and where you actually are is significantly difficult.
Playing the man instead of opposing the point. Please indicate what I said that make me "far right".
Quote from: Hand of God on October 23, 2025, 07:13:05 PMOn Humphreys, why are you putting forward her case and ignoring that the victims mother utterly rejects her position. Can you acknowledge now that Lucia O'Farrell rejects HH's account of event and has been scathing of the way she handled the family's campaign. This was not a party political incident, it was a very personal issue that Lucia O'Farrell felt badly failed by her constituency minister.
What Humphreys motivation was here is anyone's guess but the optics are terrible.
yes the optics are terrible, perhaps she is just lazy. But not doing things is something we are all guilty of, it is not a great characteristic but the it is still better than proactive attacks on people based on falsehoods, like implying that the voters of Germany are drawing their inspiration from the 1930s. Better a useless President than a dangerous offensive one.
source.. about the fifth time I've asked you for a source for your falsehoods and I never get them..
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 23, 2025, 12:14:55 PMIt's the - yes, ok, but she was wearing a short skirt and dancing provocatively defence.
Poor Russia, never fully meaning to commit its latest atrocities and outrages.
She was also out in Syria in 2018 and unaware of who she was meeting
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41725710.html
Paul T (aka Restaurant Gemma) great entertainment.
https://x.com/paultreyvaud/status/1981433203920425405?s=46&t=upCstAqzkTQY5JtOIziaYg
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 23, 2025, 08:33:10 PMsource.. about the fifth time I've asked you for a source for your falsehoods and I never get them..
Sorry, as you speaking to me?
Connolly said "
There are parallels between the current increase in military spending in Germany and its rearmament during the 1930s."
I'm pretty sure she did not mean the Weimar Republic, so she is implying that the current democratically elected German government is drawing its inspiration from the 1930s. This is dangerous fantasy.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 09:56:24 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 23, 2025, 08:33:10 PMsource.. about the fifth time I've asked you for a source for your falsehoods and I never get them..
Sorry, as you speaking to me?
Connolly said "There are parallels between the current increase in military spending in Germany and its rearmament during the 1930s."
I'm pretty sure she did not mean the Weimar Republic, so she is implying that the current democratically elected German government is drawing its inspiration from the 1930s. This is dangerous fantasy.
yes, you the peddler of falsehoods.. so where did she imply the voters of Germany are drawing inspiration from the 30s.
Merz said he would invite a wanted war criminal to Germany, they suppressed marches/protests for Palestine, they arrested you for speaking anything but german/english at protests, they assaulted protesters, they have a growing far right, they were, after the US the main supports of genocide, they prevented sanctions on Israel, so I think there are enough warning sign to call out similarities and I've not mentioned the MIC.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 08:11:00 PMBetter a useless President than a dangerous offensive one.
Well the leader of the Dail has called TDs from a political party "puppets of Putin" in a shocking and baseless attack. The same leader of the Dail also repeatedly lied about his political opponents not condemning Hamas for the Oct 7th attack when they did from the get go. He also solely blamed the PIRA for The Troubles and doubled down on it. The same leader of the Dail is now trying to railroad through legislation that undermines Irish neutrality against the will of the majority of people.
Catherine Connolly is anti-war, FFG are worrying shifting more to the right and looking to sacrifice young Irish men in proxy wars across the world against the will of the people without any attempts to gain consent.
You are in step with this leader of the Dail. I think this shows you to be a bad judge of what a truly dangerous politician actually looks like. It's no wonder the far right is on the rise when you look at the consistent messes FFG have made on effectively every social issue in the 26.
I don't play the man at all btw. You smear people with positions and views they never make. You do this to discredit them because you actually have nothing on their actual position.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 23, 2025, 10:12:25 PMQuote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 09:56:24 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 23, 2025, 08:33:10 PMsource.. about the fifth time I've asked you for a source for your falsehoods and I never get them..
Sorry, as you speaking to me?
Connolly said "There are parallels between the current increase in military spending in Germany and its rearmament during the 1930s."
I'm pretty sure she did not mean the Weimar Republic, so she is implying that the current democratically elected German government is drawing its inspiration from the 1930s. This is dangerous fantasy.
yes, you the peddler of falsehoods.. so where did she imply the voters of Germany are drawing inspiration from the 30s.
Merz said he would invite a wanted war criminal to Germany, they suppressed marches/protests for Palestine, they arrested you for speaking anything but german/english at protests, they assaulted protesters, they have a growing far right, they were, after the US the main supports of genocide, they prevented sanctions on Israel, so I think there are enough warning sign to call out similarities and I've not mentioned the MIC.
This is nothing to do with Connolly's falsehood and of course many of protestors assaulted police.
She could have criticised Merz for saying that he would invite a wanted war criminal to Germany, that is fair comment, not fantasy. But she chose fantasy over reality.
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It's an opinion, you can disagree with her opinion.
I happen to think the examples I listed including arming and supporting a genocide, growing far right and crackdowns on freedoms is similar to the 30s...
you choose to misrepresent her opinions.. so where did she imply the voters of Germany were drawing inspiration from the 30s and you have misreprented her numerous times.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 23, 2025, 11:11:28 PMIt's an opinion, you can disagree with her opinion.
I happen to think the examples I listed including arming and supporting a genocide, growing far right and crackdowns on freedoms is similar to the 30s...
you choose to misrepresent her opinions.. so where did she imply the voters of Germany were drawing inspiration from the 30s and you have misreprented her numerous times.
100%
It's the exact same thing the political establishment do with the left relentlessly.
They can't actually contend their points so are straight into attack mode and misrepresenting positions.
There is nothing far left about any TD in the Dail. Nobody is angling about turning Ireland into a communist state.
It's also interesting that Micheal Martin likes to use the same terms like "Marxist" when referring to the left as the far right use against the left.
Smear and misrepresentations has sadly became the only thing the right wing establishment have to deflect away from their chronic failures.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 23, 2025, 11:11:28 PMyou choose to misrepresent her opinions.. so where did she imply the voters of Germany were drawing inspiration from the 30s and you have misreprented her numerous times.
She said they were following the policies of the 1930s. I have not misrepresented her.
And while I do not agree with Germany's policy re the Middle East, this is a conscious attempt to do the opposite of the 1930s.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 11:57:23 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 23, 2025, 11:11:28 PMyou choose to misrepresent her opinions.. so where did she imply the voters of Germany were drawing inspiration from the 30s and you have misreprented her numerous times.
She said they were following the policies of the 1930s. I have not misrepresented her.
And while I do not agree with Germany's policy re the Middle East, this is a conscious attempt to do the opposite of the 1930s.
provide your source where she implied the voters of Germany were drawing inspiration from the 30s.
I dont understand what you mean by a conscious attempt to do the opposite of the 1930s but rather than explain that provide the source please.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 12:06:48 AMQuote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 11:57:23 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 23, 2025, 11:11:28 PMyou choose to misrepresent her opinions.. so where did she imply the voters of Germany were drawing inspiration from the 30s and you have misreprented her numerous times.
She said they were following the policies of the 1930s. I have not misrepresented her.
And while I do not agree with Germany's policy re the Middle East, this is a conscious attempt to do the opposite of the 1930s.
provide your source where she implied the voters of Germany were drawing inspiration from the 30s.
I provided the quote. If you are fighting over the difference between parallels and doing the same thing, then that is mere semantics
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 12:06:48 AMI dont understand what you mean by a conscious attempt to do the opposite of the 1930s but rather than explain that provide the source please.
I said that events in the 1930s meant that Germany was instinctively pro-Israel. I do not agree with them but I do understand the context. Connolly could reasonably have made moderate comment criticising Germany about Israel, that she chose to to do re Ukraine is disgusting.
You haven't provided a quote, you tried to paraphrase but I think you have misreprented Connolly in doing so. I assume there is no quote or you are not aware of what she said.
never again was the lesson of the Holocaust. the events of the Holocaust were against Jews not the state of Israel.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 08:11:00 PMBetter a useless President than a dangerous offensive one.
Hymphreys tried to force disabled people to go through degrading examinations to test their fitness for work. That's the sort of Thatherite policies that I find offensive, but each to their own.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 08:28:28 AMQuote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 08:11:00 PMBetter a useless President than a dangerous offensive one.
Hymphreys tried to force disabled people to go through degrading examinations to test their fitness for work. That's the sort of Thatherite policies that I find offensive, but each to their own.
What's wrong with someone on disability benefits for having to do an occasional recheck?
Josef Puska was able bodied enough to attack and murder an able bodied girl out jogging and cycle away.
Should he have been entitled to benefits for the rest of his life, with no one daring to get an update on his medical status? Apparently so according to the left.
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 24, 2025, 08:57:44 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 08:28:28 AMQuote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 08:11:00 PMBetter a useless President than a dangerous offensive one.
Hymphreys tried to force disabled people to go through degrading examinations to test their fitness for work. That's the sort of Thatherite policies that I find offensive, but each to their own.
What's wrong with someone on disability benefits for having to do an occasional recheck?
Josef Puska was able bodied enough to attack and murder an able bodied girl out jogging and cycle away.
Should he have been entitled to benefits for the rest of his life, with no one daring to get an update on his medical status? Apparently so according to the left.
As with everything, theres a sensible middle on this one. The amount of c***ts getting dla with nothing wrong with them is unreal, but then on the opposite side theres horror stories of genuinely disabled people having benefits cut and being forced into work.
Surely it's possible to balance this?
Disability activists said the plans were a "degrading and humiliating" value judgment that would give the impression that some people were falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness.
Mr Clonan has described the Green Paper as a "cut and paste" of a "very discredited austerity measure" in the UK called the workplace capacity assessment.
He said the document would mean 250,000 recipients of disability allowance would need to be medically examined every five years.
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 24, 2025, 08:57:44 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 08:28:28 AMQuote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 08:11:00 PMBetter a useless President than a dangerous offensive one.
Hymphreys tried to force disabled people to go through degrading examinations to test their fitness for work. That's the sort of Thatherite policies that I find offensive, but each to their own.
What's wrong with someone on disability benefits for having to do an occasional recheck?
Josef Puska was able bodied enough to attack and murder an able bodied girl out jogging and cycle away.
Should he have been entitled to benefits for the rest of his life, with no one daring to get an update on his medical status? Apparently so according to the left.
Yes because the disabled are all secretly just itching to go out and murder people. Especially those dirty foreign disbaled.
At the time, disability activists formed a coalition to oppose her Thatcherite plans. She refused to meet them. Just as she refused to meet her constituent Lucia O'Farrell about the death of her son. Like all Thatcherites, her first instict is to punch down on the most vulnerable people in society.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 09:20:25 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 24, 2025, 08:57:44 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 08:28:28 AMQuote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 08:11:00 PMBetter a useless President than a dangerous offensive one.
Hymphreys tried to force disabled people to go through degrading examinations to test their fitness for work. That's the sort of Thatherite policies that I find offensive, but each to their own.
What's wrong with someone on disability benefits for having to do an occasional recheck?
Josef Puska was able bodied enough to attack and murder an able bodied girl out jogging and cycle away.
Should he have been entitled to benefits for the rest of his life, with no one daring to get an update on his medical status? Apparently so according to the left.
As with everything, theres a sensible middle on this one. The amount of c***ts getting dla with nothing wrong with them is unreal, but then on the opposite side theres horror stories of genuinely disabled people having benefits cut and being forced into work.
Surely it's possible to balance this?
There is a balance. But the idea that people claiming benefits are untouchable for the rest of their life is crackers.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 08:28:28 AMQuote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 08:11:00 PMBetter a useless President than a dangerous offensive one.
Hymphreys tried to force disabled people to go through degrading examinations to test their fitness for work. That's the sort of Thatherite policies that I find offensive, but each to their own.
So if a fella is playing the system, he's entitled to benefits for the rest of his life unchecked?
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 24, 2025, 10:41:18 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 08:28:28 AMQuote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 08:11:00 PMBetter a useless President than a dangerous offensive one.
Hymphreys tried to force disabled people to go through degrading examinations to test their fitness for work. That's the sort of Thatherite policies that I find offensive, but each to their own.
So if a fella is playing the system, he's entitled to benefits for the rest of his life unchecked?
They are checked.
The issue was the same crowd who let big business go unregulated want to degrade and dehumanize people getting benefits.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 10:43:02 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 24, 2025, 10:41:18 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 08:28:28 AMQuote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 08:11:00 PMBetter a useless President than a dangerous offensive one.
Hymphreys tried to force disabled people to go through degrading examinations to test their fitness for work. That's the sort of Thatherite policies that I find offensive, but each to their own.
So if a fella is playing the system, he's entitled to benefits for the rest of his life unchecked?
They are checked.
The issue was the same crowd who let big business go unregulated want to degrade and dehumanize people getting benefits.
Where did they say they wanted to degrade and dehumanize people?
Most benefits are subject to conditions. You get jobseekers allowance, but you're supposed to be actively looking for work.
Left wing nutters want unlimited and unconditional money for wasters. No terms, no conditions, no questions asked.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 10:43:02 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 24, 2025, 10:41:18 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 08:28:28 AMQuote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 08:11:00 PMBetter a useless President than a dangerous offensive one.
Hymphreys tried to force disabled people to go through degrading examinations to test their fitness for work. That's the sort of Thatherite policies that I find offensive, but each to their own.
So if a fella is playing the system, he's entitled to benefits for the rest of his life unchecked?
They are checked.
The issue was the same crowd who let big business go unregulated want to degrade and dehumanize people getting benefits.
That's a bit much. So when a doctor signs off on them going on the sick that's ok. But if they go in for a re-check and he says they're fit for work that's degrading and dehumanizing.
Quote from: Look-Up! on October 24, 2025, 10:50:22 AMQuote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 10:43:02 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 24, 2025, 10:41:18 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 08:28:28 AMQuote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 08:11:00 PMBetter a useless President than a dangerous offensive one.
Hymphreys tried to force disabled people to go through degrading examinations to test their fitness for work. That's the sort of Thatherite policies that I find offensive, but each to their own.
So if a fella is playing the system, he's entitled to benefits for the rest of his life unchecked?
They are checked.
The issue was the same crowd who let big business go unregulated want to degrade and dehumanize people getting benefits.
That's a bit much. So when a doctor signs off on them going on the sick that's ok. But if they go in for a re-check and he says they're fit for work that's degrading and dehumanizing.
It wouldn't be like left wingers to have a hysterical over reaction to distract from a touchy subject.
How dare you!
Quote from: Dag Dog on October 24, 2025, 10:55:56 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on October 24, 2025, 10:50:22 AMQuote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 10:43:02 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 24, 2025, 10:41:18 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 08:28:28 AMQuote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 08:11:00 PMBetter a useless President than a dangerous offensive one.
Hymphreys tried to force disabled people to go through degrading examinations to test their fitness for work. That's the sort of Thatherite policies that I find offensive, but each to their own.
So if a fella is playing the system, he's entitled to benefits for the rest of his life unchecked?
They are checked.
The issue was the same crowd who let big business go unregulated want to degrade and dehumanize people getting benefits.
That's a bit much. So when a doctor signs off on them going on the sick that's ok. But if they go in for a re-check and he says they're fit for work that's degrading and dehumanizing.
It wouldn't be like left wingers to have a hysterical over reaction to distract from a touchy subject.
How dare you!
it was a quote from disability activities... no one here knows their political leaning but Doghsite knows best!
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 10:59:04 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 24, 2025, 10:55:56 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on October 24, 2025, 10:50:22 AMQuote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 10:43:02 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on October 24, 2025, 10:41:18 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 08:28:28 AMQuote from: armaghniac on October 23, 2025, 08:11:00 PMBetter a useless President than a dangerous offensive one.
Hymphreys tried to force disabled people to go through degrading examinations to test their fitness for work. That's the sort of Thatherite policies that I find offensive, but each to their own.
So if a fella is playing the system, he's entitled to benefits for the rest of his life unchecked?
They are checked.
The issue was the same crowd who let big business go unregulated want to degrade and dehumanize people getting benefits.
That's a bit much. So when a doctor signs off on them going on the sick that's ok. But if they go in for a re-check and he says they're fit for work that's degrading and dehumanizing.
It wouldn't be like left wingers to have a hysterical over reaction to distract from a touchy subject.
How dare you!
it was a quote from disability activities... no one here knows their political leaning but Doghsite knows best!
I mean, it's a trait of fiscal conservatives to want to give unlimited benefits with no recourse...
It'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?
I find the NCT degrading and dehumanizing. I'd rather just sign it off myself especially as my car wouldn't make it to the garage.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 11:03:15 AMIt'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?
I don't think anyone here expressed a problem with disabled. It's those that are claiming disability but are perfectly able bodied are the scourge.
Some really nice guys on this thread... i wonder would they make those comments to disabled people...
Quote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 11:03:15 AMIt'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?
So fraud and theft can't be called out if the person is poorer than you?
Genius.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 09:25:08 AMDisability activists said the plans were a "degrading and humiliating" value judgment that would give the impression that some people were falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness.
I'm not that familiar with this. However, it seems to be that some people are falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness. Some people, not most people.
So you need the power to investigate, but use that in directed way so as to not investigate the really disabled, but do check others.
Anyone can be breathalysed at a checkpoint, because some people are drink driving. Anyone can have their taxes audited, because some people are not paying their taxes. But in reality, the Revenue have criteria to focus their efforts on actual offenders.
What the disabled advocates should concentrate on is designing proper criteria to identify the genuine from the chancers, then more money can be spent in those who actually are deserving because it has not been appropriated by those who are not.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 11:03:15 AMIt'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?
The growth in payments to disabled people has to be extracted from those who work. People are happy to pay for people with genuine disabilities, but the growing number of people designated as such contains many who are less deserving.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 24, 2025, 11:09:13 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 11:03:15 AMIt'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?
The growth in payments to disabled people has to be extracted from those who work. People are happy to pay for people with genuine disabilities, but the growing number of people designated as such contains many who are less deserving.
Again, why when it comes to investigating the waste of public money, do Thatcherites always instinctively look down for a group to punch?
Quote from: armaghniac on October 24, 2025, 11:09:13 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 09:25:08 AMDisability activists said the plans were a "degrading and humiliating" value judgment that would give the impression that some people were falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness.
I'm not that familiar with this. However, it seems to be that some people are falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness. Some people, not most people.
So you need the power to investigate, but use that in directed way so as to not investigate the really disabled, but do check others.
Anyone can be breathalysed at a checkpoint, because some people are drink driving. Anyone can have their taxes audited, because some people are not paying their taxes. But in reality, the Revenue have criteria to focus their efforts on actual offenders.
What the disabled advocates should concentrate on is designing proper criteria to identify the genuine from the chancers, then more money can be spent in those who actually are deserving because it has not been appropriated by those who are not.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 11:03:15 AMIt'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?
The growth in payments to disabled people has to be extracted from those who work. People are happy to pay for people with genuine disabilities, but the growing number of people designated as such contains many who are less deserving.
are the disabled activists falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness (or families members] do you think? they made the comment, you mention you are not familiar... I would think they are..
Some really vile posts but not surprising. Ill take a leaf from those arguments by asking should people in wheelchairs because of disabilities but lifted out and dropped to see if they fall or walk.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 11:14:23 AMQuote from: armaghniac on October 24, 2025, 11:09:13 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 09:25:08 AMDisability activists said the plans were a "degrading and humiliating" value judgment that would give the impression that some people were falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness.
I'm not that familiar with this. However, it seems to be that some people are falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness. Some people, not most people.
So you need the power to investigate, but use that in directed way so as to not investigate the really disabled, but do check others.
Anyone can be breathalysed at a checkpoint, because some people are drink driving. Anyone can have their taxes audited, because some people are not paying their taxes. But in reality, the Revenue have criteria to focus their efforts on actual offenders.
What the disabled advocates should concentrate on is designing proper criteria to identify the genuine from the chancers, then more money can be spent in those who actually are deserving because it has not been appropriated by those who are not.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 11:03:15 AMIt'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?
The growth in payments to disabled people has to be extracted from those who work. People are happy to pay for people with genuine disabilities, but the growing number of people designated as such contains many who are less deserving.
are the disabled activists falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness (or families members] do you think? they made the comment, you mention you are not familiar... I would think they are..
Some really vile posts but not surprising. Ill take a leaf from those arguments by asking should people in wheelchairs because of disabilities but lifted out and drop to see if they fall or walk.
Absolutely vile disgusting comment. Should be ashamed of yourself
Quote from: Look-Up! on October 24, 2025, 11:18:52 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 11:14:23 AMQuote from: armaghniac on October 24, 2025, 11:09:13 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 09:25:08 AMDisability activists said the plans were a "degrading and humiliating" value judgment that would give the impression that some people were falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness.
I'm not that familiar with this. However, it seems to be that some people are falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness. Some people, not most people.
So you need the power to investigate, but use that in directed way so as to not investigate the really disabled, but do check others.
Anyone can be breathalysed at a checkpoint, because some people are drink driving. Anyone can have their taxes audited, because some people are not paying their taxes. But in reality, the Revenue have criteria to focus their efforts on actual offenders.
What the disabled advocates should concentrate on is designing proper criteria to identify the genuine from the chancers, then more money can be spent in those who actually are deserving because it has not been appropriated by those who are not.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 11:03:15 AMIt'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?
The growth in payments to disabled people has to be extracted from those who work. People are happy to pay for people with genuine disabilities, but the growing number of people designated as such contains many who are less deserving.
are the disabled activists falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness (or families members] do you think? they made the comment, you mention you are not familiar... I would think they are..
Some really vile posts but not surprising. Ill take a leaf from those arguments by asking should people in wheelchairs because of disabilities but lifted out and drop to see if they fall or walk.
Absolutely vile disgusting comment. Should be ashamed of yourself
just stooping to your level. degrading and dehumanising wouldn't it be. something you have spent the last few posts mocking!!!
Quote from: Look-Up! on October 24, 2025, 11:06:49 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 11:03:15 AMIt'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?
I don't think anyone here expressed a problem with disabled. It's those that are claiming disability but are perfectly able bodied are the scourge.
They are a scourge. But snapchap is right, be better to punch up rather than down. The rich are scrounging a whole lot more from society than the poor.
Now about today's election.....
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 11:27:26 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on October 24, 2025, 11:06:49 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 11:03:15 AMIt'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?
I don't think anyone here expressed a problem with disabled. It's those that are claiming disability but are perfectly able bodied are the scourge.
They are a scourge. But snapchap is right, be better to punch up rather than down. The rich are scrounging a whole lot more from society than the poor.
Rich and off shore havens are a scourge. They own government and politicians. That's a whole other issue. It's pretty much always been the way since Moses was a boy. Only changes when people are pushed too far, revolt, tear the place up and break the wheel. We're not at that stage yet. This type of change most people don't want. They want stability. And anyway it doesn't take long for the new crowd in to show themselves up to be just as big of pricks. Gradual change without all that may be possible with strong politicians fighting for the people but that's a whole other discussion.
What the discussion was about, at least what I think it was about, was comments on HH wanting putting in checks on people claiming benefits. Reasonable enough. No need for all the hyperbolic shite came afterwards and people jumping on their high horses.
Quote from: Look-Up! on October 24, 2025, 11:44:37 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 11:27:26 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on October 24, 2025, 11:06:49 AMQuote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 11:03:15 AMIt'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?
I don't think anyone here expressed a problem with disabled. It's those that are claiming disability but are perfectly able bodied are the scourge.
They are a scourge. But snapchap is right, be better to punch up rather than down. The rich are scrounging a whole lot more from society than the poor.
Rich and off shore havens are a scourge. They own government and politicians. That's a whole other issue. It's pretty much always been the way since Moses was a boy. Only changes when people are pushed too far, revolt, tear the place up and break the wheel. We're not at that stage yet. This type of change most people don't want. They want stability. And anyway it doesn't take long for the new crowd in to show themselves up to be just as big of pricks. Gradual change without all that may be possible with strong politicians fighting for the people but that's a whole other discussion.
What the discussion was about, at least what I think it was about, was comments on HH wanting putting in checks on people claiming benefits. Reasonable enough. No need for all the hyperbolic shite came afterwards and people jumping on their high horses.
Fair enough.
comparing what was proposed for people with disabilities to to an NCT and returning from sick leave!!!
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 12:01:27 PMcomparing what was proposed for people with disabilities to to an NCT and returning from sick leave!!!
Proposing dropping people out of wheelchairs to see if they can walk!!!!
Quote from: Look-Up! on October 24, 2025, 12:04:18 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 12:01:27 PMcomparing what was proposed for people with disabilities to to an NCT and returning from sick leave!!!
Proposing dropping people out of wheelchairs to see if they can walk!!!!
As I stated when making that comment it was to show you and others how stupid those other comments were
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 11:14:23 AMQuote from: armaghniac on October 24, 2025, 11:09:13 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 09:25:08 AMDisability activists said the plans were a "degrading and humiliating" value judgment that would give the impression that some people were falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness.
I'm not that familiar with this. However, it seems to be that some people are falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness. Some people, not most people.
So you need the power to investigate, but use that in directed way so as to not investigate the really disabled, but do check others.
Anyone can be breathalysed at a checkpoint, because some people are drink driving. Anyone can have their taxes audited, because some people are not paying their taxes. But in reality, the Revenue have criteria to focus their efforts on actual offenders.
What the disabled advocates should concentrate on is designing proper criteria to identify the genuine from the chancers, then more money can be spent in those who actually are deserving because it has not been appropriated by those who are not.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 11:03:15 AMIt'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?
The growth in payments to disabled people has to be extracted from those who work. People are happy to pay for people with genuine disabilities, but the growing number of people designated as such contains many who are less deserving.
are the disabled activists falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness (or families members] do you think? they made the comment, you mention you are not familiar... I would think they are..
Some really vile posts but not surprising. Ill take a leaf from those arguments by asking should people in wheelchairs because of disabilities but lifted out and dropped to see if they fall or walk.
I said that disability advocates did understand real disabilities, and their advice should be sought on designing criteria which protected these people but still allowed the status of other less clear cases to be checked.
You completely reversed what I said. What is the point of a discussion forum if a serious post is followed up by nonsense?
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 12:06:28 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on October 24, 2025, 12:04:18 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 12:01:27 PMcomparing what was proposed for people with disabilities to to an NCT and returning from sick leave!!!
Proposing dropping people out of wheelchairs to see if they can walk!!!!
As I stated when making that comment it was to show you and other how stupid those other comments were
Listen here Padraic. Shouldn't have to spell this out but comments were clearly about bogus claimants and NCT is a perfectly common description, at least where I'm from, of going to the doctors. We can behave like adults or take the no context route and I can claim your comment clearly describes disabled people.
From memory without going through your posts, I seem to remember you're a fairly reasoned and good poster. But I'm not going to waste my time with an over and back again like the one we've just had. So in future if you're going to engage with me, fine, my all means do so. But if you're going to go the route you took earlier, please don't engage with me again.
About today's election .......
Will it reach 40% of the electorate?
1945 63%
1959 58.4%
1966 65.3%
1973 62.2%
1990 64.1%
1997 46.7%
2011 56.1%
2018 43.87%
Quote from: Rossfan on October 24, 2025, 12:42:26 PM1945 63%
1959 58.4%
1966 65.3%
1973 62.2%
1990 64.1%
1997 46.7%
2011 56.1%
2018 43.87%
Shame.
People really should come out and vote.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 24, 2025, 12:32:33 PMAbout today's election .......
Will it reach 40% of the electorate?
Don't think do. I expect 35 to 38%
Quote from: Look-Up! on October 24, 2025, 10:50:22 AMThat's a bit much. So when a doctor signs off on them going on the sick that's ok. But if they go in for a re-check and he says they're fit for work that's degrading and dehumanizing.
It's degrading and dehumanising to frame people with genuine disabilities as welfare cheats. That was the net effect to it. You might want to take on board the feelings of people with disabilities who voiced how it impacted them when the legislation was announced. Surely they are the people we should be listening to here?
As I've stated the same parties who gladly rolled back regulation of banking and other industries, who gladly privatized energy, health, the housing market are the same ones who are dehumanising the poorest and most vulnerable in society.
It is sadly the way neo liberal parties work in today's world. It's a two tier society for them. If you're rich and elite you enjoy all the access and freedom in the world to enjoy life and grow your wealth. If you're not, you are caught in a poverty trap and the message is to stop being poor.
The Indo had one final poll which continued to show Catherine Connolly with a massive lead over Heather Humphreys. Fine Gael have never won a presidential election but were leading at the outset in opinion polls. Could spell the end of Harris.
Young voters set to put Connolly in the Áras - if they come out to cast ballot
Rival Humphreys trailing behind in election poll, but over-65s back her
MARY REGAN
Young voters are on course to send Catherine Connolly to Áras an Uachtaráin if they turn out at the polls today.
New polling data shows the Galway woman has a massive lead over her �rival among voters under 34.
But Fine Gael's Heather Humphreys is more popular with older voters, who traditionally turn out in bigger numbers.
Ms Connolly's campaign team now believe that mobilising the youth vote - who are traditionally less inclined to vote - will be key to ensuring she is elected the 10th president of Ireland.
But Fine Gael believes Ms Humphreys can "defy expectations" and still win - if "middle Ireland" comes out in strong numbers.
Around 3.6 million people are �eligible to vote today. However, with a choice of just two candidates on offer, observers predict that turnout could hit a historic low.
And polling suggests that thousands will still give their first-preference vote to the Fianna Fáil candidate, Jim Gavin, who withdrew dramatically from the race but still remains on the ballot paper.
Yesterday, both sides in the two-way race made 11th-hour appeals to their supporters to turn out to vote. Despite her big lead Ms Connolly said "we take absolutely nothing for granted".
Her campaign team will make a major push to ensure younger people and those in more marginalised communities turn up at polling stations today.
Speaking at St Anne's National School in Castlerea, Co Roscommon, Ms Connolly said: "To be president of Ireland is an absolute privilege and I leave that to the people of Ireland."
On the campaign trail in Donegal, Ms Humphreys appealed to "middle Ireland" voters, saying: "Don't waste your vote, don't allow somebody else to speak for you."
Fine Gael leader and Tánaiste Simon Harris made a "particular appeal to people from other political traditions" to support Ms Humphreys. "It's important that middle Ireland comes out and says, 'we don't want to send out a message about this country being far left'," he said.
"The polls said Michael D Higgins was never going to be president - he won the election, he won twice and did a very good job," Mr Harris said. "We are going to defy all the sceptics, and we're going to elect Heather Humphreys as the 10th president of Ireland."
The Ireland Thinks poll - the last of the campaign - suggests Ms �Connolly's lead increased as polling day drew closer.
Her overall support levels were at 40pc on the eve of the election, compared with Ms Humphreys at 25pc and Mr Gavin at 7pc. Those who won't vote or don't know how they will vote are at 28pc.
When this cohort is removed, more than half, 55pc, say they will vote for Ms Connolly compared with 35pc for Ms Humphreys - suggesting that the Independent TD is on course to be elected on the first count when the ballot boxes are opened tomorrow. The biggest divergence in vote preference is when it comes to age, with the over-65s the only demographic where Ms �Humphreys has greater levels of support.
The data shows Ms Connolly has won over a huge majority of younger voters, with 83pc of 18-34-year-olds saying they will vote for her, compared to 12pc of this age group who support Ms �Humphreys and 5pc who support Mr Gavin.
Ms Connolly's support drops when it comes to over-65s, with just 38pc of that age group supporting her compared to 48pc for Ms Connolly and 14pc for Mr Gavin. Among 55- to 64-year-olds, it is almost evenly split - with 45pc for Ms Connolly and 43pc for Ms Humphreys.
A key member of Ms Connolly's campaign team said there was "no complacency" and said her victory wound hinge on the mobilisation of younger voters, as well as ensuring that the support bases of Sinn Féin and Labour Party are motivated to vote in significant numbers.
The poll suggests that Ms Connolly will win right across the country - but her lead is greatest in Connacht-Ulster where she has 59pc support compared with 33pc for Ms Humphreys.
Ms Connolly's support levels are lowest in Dublin, but she will still win in the capital where she is polling at 52pc compared to 35pc for the Fine Gael candidate.
Among those polled in small towns, Ms Connolly has 63pc of support compared to 34pc for Ms Humphreys. In larger towns Ms Connolly has 56pc of support compared to 31pc for Ms �Humphreys.
Among city populations, Ms Connolly has 56pc support compared with 43pc for Ms Humphreys.
Ms Connolly is even winning in rural areas, where she has 48pc of support, compared with 39pc for Ms Humphreys.
Polling stations across the country will be open from 7am to 10pm today.
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 24, 2025, 12:48:34 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 24, 2025, 12:32:33 PMAbout today's election .......
Will it reach 40% of the electorate?
Don't think do. I expect 35 to 38%
Not that it matters as decisions are made by those who vote but no doubt the Steen and similar factions will claim that up 80% of the people didn't vote for Connolly.
can you point out where you said "that disability advocates did understand real disabilities"?
You did not say their advice should be sought you said "disabled advocates should concentrate on is designing proper criteria to identify the genuine from the chancers". Disabled advocates now have to solve "chancers"
I didn't reverse what you said, you have articulated yourselves very well and second post is completly.different to what you said in the first..
Quote from: Rossfan on October 24, 2025, 12:56:25 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on October 24, 2025, 12:48:34 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 24, 2025, 12:32:33 PMAbout today's election .......
Will it reach 40% of the electorate?
Don't think do. I expect 35 to 38%
Not that it matters as decisions are made by those who vote but no doubt the Steen and similar factions will claim that up 80% of the people didn't vote for Connolly.
i think it will be closer than people think, I am very interested to see the spoilt vote above the norm and what areas of the country vote for each candidate.
While I don't think anything was wrong with how the 3 candidates were selected I would have liked to see more, and I believe more candidates would have reduced Connollys chances, something I would not like to see
Quote from: Rossfan on October 24, 2025, 12:56:25 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on October 24, 2025, 12:48:34 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 24, 2025, 12:32:33 PMAbout today's election .......
Will it reach 40% of the electorate?
Don't think do. I expect 35 to 38%
Not that it matters as decisions are made by those who vote but no doubt the Steen and similar factions will claim that up 80% of the people didn't vote for Connolly.
Well the 60% of people who didn't bother voting stick their yapping up their hole
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 12:57:04 PMcan you point out where you said "that disability advocates did understand real disabilities"?
You did not say their advice should be sought you said "disabled advocates should concentrate on is designing proper criteria to identify the genuine from the chancers". Disabled advocates now have to solve "chancers"
I didn't reverse what you said, you have articulated yourselves very well and second post is completly.different to what you said in the first..
What do you suggest is done about the chancers/bluffers?
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 01:01:43 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 24, 2025, 12:56:25 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on October 24, 2025, 12:48:34 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 24, 2025, 12:32:33 PMAbout today's election .......
Will it reach 40% of the electorate?
Don't think do. I expect 35 to 38%
Not that it matters as decisions are made by those who vote but no doubt the Steen and similar factions will claim that up 80% of the people didn't vote for Connolly.
i think it will be closer than people think, I am very interested to see the spoilt vote above the norm and what areas of the country vote for each candidate.
While I don't think anything was wrong with how the 3 candidates were selected I would have liked to see more, and I believe more candidates would have reduced Connollys chances, something I would not like to see
Media are reporting that FFG figures are expecting Connolly to be hitting around 70% of valid votes.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 01:18:10 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 12:57:04 PMcan you point out where you said "that disability advocates did understand real disabilities"?
You did not say their advice should be sought you said "disabled advocates should concentrate on is designing proper criteria to identify the genuine from the chancers". Disabled advocates now have to solve "chancers"
I didn't reverse what you said, you have articulated yourselves very well and second post is completly.different to what you said in the first..
What do you suggest is done about the chancers/bluffers?
not my area of expertise either, if I was tasked with that, initially I would consult with those who had the expertise, alongside looking at data to determine the extent of the issue and also review similar countries etc. in Europe
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 01:18:10 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 12:57:04 PMcan you point out where you said "that disability advocates did understand real disabilities"?
You did not say their advice should be sought you said "disabled advocates should concentrate on is designing proper criteria to identify the genuine from the chancers". Disabled advocates now have to solve "chancers"
I didn't reverse what you said, you have articulated yourselves very well and second post is completly.different to what you said in the first..
What do you suggest is done about the chancers/bluffers?
I would suggest the govt have far bigger concerns than chasing welfare cheats.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 01:50:28 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 01:18:10 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 12:57:04 PMcan you point out where you said "that disability advocates did understand real disabilities"?
You did not say their advice should be sought you said "disabled advocates should concentrate on is designing proper criteria to identify the genuine from the chancers". Disabled advocates now have to solve "chancers"
I didn't reverse what you said, you have articulated yourselves very well and second post is completly.different to what you said in the first..
What do you suggest is done about the chancers/bluffers?
I would suggest the govt have far bigger concerns than chasing welfare cheats.
No arguments there, but it's still an issue needing addressed.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 02:14:06 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 01:50:28 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 01:18:10 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 24, 2025, 12:57:04 PMcan you point out where you said "that disability advocates did understand real disabilities"?
You did not say their advice should be sought you said "disabled advocates should concentrate on is designing proper criteria to identify the genuine from the chancers". Disabled advocates now have to solve "chancers"
I didn't reverse what you said, you have articulated yourselves very well and second post is completly.different to what you said in the first..
What do you suggest is done about the chancers/bluffers?
I would suggest the govt have far bigger concerns than chasing welfare cheats.
No arguments there, but it's still an issue needing addressed.
It needs addressing for two reasons.
One it gets some money that can be used for a proper purpose
Two it reduces discouragement of people who are doing their bit
Quote from: armaghniac on October 24, 2025, 02:37:48 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 02:14:06 PMIt needs addressing for two reasons.
One it gets some money that can be used for a proper purpose
Two it reduces discouragement of people who are doing their bit
Thinking housing and health needs far more addressing than targeting the poorest and most vulnerable.
There's a reason FFG governments target those on welfare in this way.
Can you see the issue with the mass deregulation FFG governments have overseen that led to a banking crisis, that led to billions in expense for crumbling houses in Donegal? The people responsible here by and large walked free from their crimes with millions in their bank account but the FFG governments made a very loud voice of pursuing working class people for welfare fraud.
A narrative has been pursued by neo liberal parties that it's the working class fraudster that we need to be wary off and not the bankers, lobbyists, MNCs etc. You subscribe to that.
Maybe if govts gave low income workers more rights, more protections, more pay then that might be a positive way to reduce welfare fraud. A lot of low income workers would nearly be no worse off on income - maybe fix that issue before moving onto welfare fraud?
Quote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 03:06:49 PMQuote from: armaghniac on October 24, 2025, 02:37:48 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 02:14:06 PMIt needs addressing for two reasons.
One it gets some money that can be used for a proper purpose
Two it reduces discouragement of people who are doing their bit
Thinking housing and health needs far more addressing than targeting the poorest and most vulnerable.
There's a reason FFG governments target those on welfare in this way.
Can you see the issue with the mass deregulation FFG governments have overseen that led to a banking crisis, that led to billions in expense for crumbling houses in Donegal? The people responsible here by and large walked free from their crimes with millions in their bank account but the FFG governments made a very loud voice of pursuing working class people for welfare fraud.
A narrative has been pursued by neo liberal parties that it's the working class fraudster that we need to be wary off and not the bankers, lobbyists, MNCs etc. You subscribe to that.
Maybe if govts gave low income workers more rights, more protections, more pay then that might be a positive way to reduce welfare fraud. A lot of low income workers would nearly be no worse off on income - maybe fix that issue before moving onto welfare fraud?
Why not do both
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 03:33:35 PMWhy not do both
If you incentivised people from socially and economically deprived areas with the ability to work your way up and owning your home and putting your children through uni and escaping the poverty trap then your welfare recipients will diminish.
The state of the nation is that low income workers can work as hard as they want. They will state get gouged on an out of control rental market, they will still work about being able to keep the lights on, they will still worry about whether it's heat or eat. They'll never own their own home. That's the reality for many young working families today.
It wasn't always this way but neo-liberal policies have it as such. A guy down the road getting welfare illegitimately shouldn't worry you as much as an MNC or commercial landlords generating billions of money profits and barely paying any tax, bankers generating huge profits and massive bonuses for their senior managers as staff are being laid off etc.
Good to see that the endless slurs on Catherine Connolly by BotB and his ilk have definitely won hearts and minds and changed lots of people's thinking
Congratulations to HH on her resounding victory
Quote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 04:17:58 PMGood to see that the endless slurs on Catherine Connolly by BotB and his ilk have definitely won hearts and minds and changed lots of people's thinking
Congratulations to HH on her resounding victory
What slurs are you taking about?
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:23:12 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 04:17:58 PMGood to see that the endless slurs on Catherine Connolly by BotB and his ilk have definitely won hearts and minds and changed lots of people's thinking
Congratulations to HH on her resounding victory
What slurs are you taking about?
All of them. They've clearly served you well.
Quote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 04:24:09 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:23:12 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 04:17:58 PMGood to see that the endless slurs on Catherine Connolly by BotB and his ilk have definitely won hearts and minds and changed lots of people's thinking
Congratulations to HH on her resounding victory
What slurs are you taking about?
All of them. They've clearly served you well.
No no, don't run away. What have I said that is a slur?
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:24:54 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 04:24:09 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:23:12 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 04:17:58 PMGood to see that the endless slurs on Catherine Connolly by BotB and his ilk have definitely won hearts and minds and changed lots of people's thinking
Congratulations to HH on her resounding victory
What slurs are you taking about?
All of them. They've clearly served you well.
No no, don't run away. What have I said that is a slur?
"tankie" would it not be considered an insult?
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 03:33:35 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 03:06:49 PMQuote from: armaghniac on October 24, 2025, 02:37:48 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 02:14:06 PMIt needs addressing for two reasons.
One it gets some money that can be used for a proper purpose
Two it reduces discouragement of people who are doing their bit
Thinking housing and health needs far more addressing than targeting the poorest and most vulnerable.
There's a reason FFG governments target those on welfare in this way.
Can you see the issue with the mass deregulation FFG governments have overseen that led to a banking crisis, that led to billions in expense for crumbling houses in Donegal? The people responsible here by and large walked free from their crimes with millions in their bank account but the FFG governments made a very loud voice of pursuing working class people for welfare fraud.
A narrative has been pursued by neo liberal parties that it's the working class fraudster that we need to be wary off and not the bankers, lobbyists, MNCs etc. You subscribe to that.
Maybe if govts gave low income workers more rights, more protections, more pay then that might be a positive way to reduce welfare fraud. A lot of low income workers would nearly be no worse off on income - maybe fix that issue before moving onto welfare fraud?
Why not do both
there is not infinite resources, people and money so there needs to prioritisation.
Is it feasible? does the additional burden on an already vulnerable cohort of people make sense.
If the costs outweighs the benefits is it worth it just to send a message, also there could be diminishing returns year on year as "chancers" are found out too.
Could a slight increase in corporate tax bring in more finances or other alternatives bring better cost/benefits?
Then there is alternative approaches as outlined by hog, investments that improve opportunity for those in the most need, thereby reducing welfare costs into the future.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 04:30:00 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:24:54 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 04:24:09 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:23:12 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 04:17:58 PMGood to see that the endless slurs on Catherine Connolly by BotB and his ilk have definitely won hearts and minds and changed lots of people's thinking
Congratulations to HH on her resounding victory
What slurs are you taking about?
All of them. They've clearly served you well.
No no, don't run away. What have I said that is a slur?
"tankie" would it not be considered an insult?
Hurty word? Maybe. Slur? No.
Cmon Franko, let's have the slurs you mentioned.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:47:56 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 04:30:00 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:24:54 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 04:24:09 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:23:12 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 04:17:58 PMGood to see that the endless slurs on Catherine Connolly by BotB and his ilk have definitely won hearts and minds and changed lots of people's thinking
Congratulations to HH on her resounding victory
What slurs are you taking about?
All of them. They've clearly served you well.
No no, don't run away. What have I said that is a slur?
"tankie" would it not be considered an insult?
Hurty word? Maybe. Slur? No.
Cmon Franko, let's have the slurs you mentioned.
Splitting hairs now ffs.
It would have to be untrue to be a slur.
As it is, it's a valid criticism.
I hear the turn out has been woeful so far. Maybe it will pick up later.
Connolly will win it handy, unless her voter base get complacent.
She'll pull a decent vote in Galway because there is huge local loyalty to her, but a lot of people found her difficult to deal with in her council days. It was hard to get her onside with any local projects.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:47:56 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 04:30:00 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:24:54 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 04:24:09 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:23:12 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 04:17:58 PMGood to see that the endless slurs on Catherine Connolly by BotB and his ilk have definitely won hearts and minds and changed lots of people's thinking
Congratulations to HH on her resounding victory
What slurs are you taking about?
All of them. They've clearly served you well.
No no, don't run away. What have I said that is a slur?
"tankie" would it not be considered an insult?
Hurty word? Maybe. Slur? No.
Cmon Franko, let's have the slurs you mentioned.
I only need to go back a day or 2 to see you calling her a useful idiot
I stopped there, but I'm sure I'd turn up plenty more with the slightest effort
That do for you boss?
Quote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 06:56:51 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:47:56 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 04:30:00 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:24:54 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 04:24:09 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:23:12 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 04:17:58 PMGood to see that the endless slurs on Catherine Connolly by BotB and his ilk have definitely won hearts and minds and changed lots of people's thinking
Congratulations to HH on her resounding victory
What slurs are you taking about?
All of them. They've clearly served you well.
No no, don't run away. What have I said that is a slur?
"tankie" would it not be considered an insult?
Hurty word? Maybe. Slur? No.
Cmon Franko, let's have the slurs you mentioned.
I only need to go back a day or 2 to see you calling her a useful idiot
I stopped there, but I'm sure I'd turn up plenty more with the slightest effort
That do for you boss?
Again, it's not a slur if it's actually true.
Repeating Kremlin narratives for their reason for the invasion of Ukraine, makes CC a useful idiot.
An idiot for believing and perpetuating such rubbish.
And certainly useful to the Kremlin, Plenty like her in the west.
She's on record spouting this shite, her own words.
So keep digging 'boss', see if you can find an actual slur.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 07:04:36 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 06:56:51 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:47:56 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 04:30:00 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:24:54 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 04:24:09 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:23:12 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 04:17:58 PMGood to see that the endless slurs on Catherine Connolly by BotB and his ilk have definitely won hearts and minds and changed lots of people's thinking
Congratulations to HH on her resounding victory
What slurs are you taking about?
All of them. They've clearly served you well.
No no, don't run away. What have I said that is a slur?
"tankie" would it not be considered an insult?
Hurty word? Maybe. Slur? No.
Cmon Franko, let's have the slurs you mentioned.
I only need to go back a day or 2 to see you calling her a useful idiot
I stopped there, but I'm sure I'd turn up plenty more with the slightest effort
That do for you boss?
Again, it's not a slur if it's actually true.
Repeating Kremlin narratives for their reason for the invasion of Ukraine, makes CC a useful idiot.
An idiot for believing and perpetuating such rubbish.
And certainly useful to the Kremlin, Plenty like her in the west.
She's on record spouting this shite, her own words.
So keep digging 'boss', see if you can find an actual slur.
I found one
You denied objective reality and said it wasn't one
What's the point of engaging in tiresome shit like that?
Given that CC is about to win this by a cricket score, how do you think this is going for you?
Do you think a change of strategy might be a plan for the next time?
Quote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 07:14:37 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 07:04:36 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 06:56:51 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:47:56 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 24, 2025, 04:30:00 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:24:54 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 04:24:09 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 04:23:12 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 04:17:58 PMGood to see that the endless slurs on Catherine Connolly by BotB and his ilk have definitely won hearts and minds and changed lots of people's thinking
Congratulations to HH on her resounding victory
What slurs are you taking about?
All of them. They've clearly served you well.
No no, don't run away. What have I said that is a slur?
"tankie" would it not be considered an insult?
Hurty word? Maybe. Slur? No.
Cmon Franko, let's have the slurs you mentioned.
I only need to go back a day or 2 to see you calling her a useful idiot
I stopped there, but I'm sure I'd turn up plenty more with the slightest effort
That do for you boss?
Again, it's not a slur if it's actually true.
Repeating Kremlin narratives for their reason for the invasion of Ukraine, makes CC a useful idiot.
An idiot for believing and perpetuating such rubbish.
And certainly useful to the Kremlin, Plenty like her in the west.
She's on record spouting this shite, her own words.
So keep digging 'boss', see if you can find an actual slur.
I found one
You denied objective reality and said it wasn't one
What's the point of engaging in tiresome shit like that?
Given that CC is about to win this by a cricket score, how do you think this is going for you?
Do you think a change of strategy might be a plan for the next time?
Sure 'boss', keep telling yourself that.
Not a single thing I said about CC is untrue. You're getting on like there were spurious allegations being made against her.
She is on record. Her own words condemn her.
And as a matter of fact, I don't recall anyone making any rebuttal of my criticism of CC. Merely, ..but look at HH, look what she did, she's worse. Two rubbish candidates in a two horse race.
And how is it going for me? Just fine. You think I'm bitterly disappointed I wasn't able to influence the outcome of the Irish presidential election?
CC will win the election. She'll continue to talk shite. I'll continue to call her out on it.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 07:53:05 PMNot a single thing I said about CC is untrue.
You falsely claimed that she didn't clap Zelensky, for one.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 08:25:19 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 07:53:05 PMNot a single thing I said about CC is untrue.
You falsely claimed that she didn't clap Zelensky, for one.
She did, briefly, and then made an ostentatious gesture of stopping and sitting down.
She chose to provide niggardly applause when a brave man representing a people who had been attacked was in the Dáil. Disgusting time to make whatever sordid point she was trying to make.
Not much point in trying to rebut the argument of someone who will say black is white
Anyway, you continue your fight against CC.
You're doing a great job - proper sons of Roisin stuff
Atta boy
national turnout at 8pm reported as 37.4% so probably slightly above what I was expecting come 10pm/closure.
Voting % from 24 - 44. Thats pathetic!
Sorry we just when 1 better on the news with 22%
Quote from: armaghniac on October 24, 2025, 08:29:25 PMQuote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 08:25:19 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 07:53:05 PMNot a single thing I said about CC is untrue.
You falsely claimed that she didn't clap Zelensky, for one.
She did, briefly, and then made an ostentatious gesture of stopping and sitting down.
She chose to provide niggardly applause when a brave man representing a people who had been attacked was in the Dáil. Disgusting time to make whatever sordid point she was trying to make.
The first two words were the only ones that you needed there.
See some genius spoilt his vote. He wrote "your a ****" in the box beside each candidate. Sums up the brain trust behind that spoil your vote movement.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 24, 2025, 08:25:19 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 07:53:05 PMNot a single thing I said about CC is untrue.
You falsely claimed that she didn't clap Zelensky, for one.
The only thing you can come up with is something someone else said.
Way to go.
Quote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 08:35:22 PMNot much point in trying to rebut the argument of someone who will say black is white
Anyway, you continue your fight against CC.
You're doing a great job - proper sons of Roisin stuff
Atta boy
You made a statement and can't back it up.
I'll continue to criticise CC when she talks shite.
Is saying 'Catherine Connolly talks shite' a slur now as well?
Why no exit poll? Sheer laziness from the west brits
Gotta love those other Brits.
Bong bong .... It's 10 o'clock and tomorrow Keir Starmer will be PM
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 09:58:25 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 08:35:22 PMNot much point in trying to rebut the argument of someone who will say black is white
Anyway, you continue your fight against CC.
You're doing a great job - proper sons of Roisin stuff
Atta boy
You made a statement and can't back it up.
I'll continue to criticise CC when she talks shite.
Is saying 'Catherine Connolly talks shite' a slur now as well?
Good lad, you're doing really well
Keep fighting the fight
Any exit polls at all or was it such a foregone conclusion no pollster even bothered?
Quote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 10:26:09 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 09:58:25 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 08:35:22 PMNot much point in trying to rebut the argument of someone who will say black is white
Anyway, you continue your fight against CC.
You're doing a great job - proper sons of Roisin stuff
Atta boy
You made a statement and can't back it up.
I'll continue to criticise CC when she talks shite.
Is saying 'Catherine Connolly talks shite' a slur now as well?
Good lad, you're doing really well
Keep fighting the fight
You're very upset about the whole thing.
I hope you find the strength to cope with all this criticism of CC.
CC going to romp it and the warhawks will be crying into their hamburgers tomorrow.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 11:03:34 PMCC going to romp it and the warhawks will be crying into their hamburgers tomorrow.
Are the 'warhawks' in the room with you now, numbskull?
If I were you I'd give it a rest for another few months, there's a good lad.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 11:09:26 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 11:03:34 PMCC going to romp it and the warhawks will be crying into their hamburgers tomorrow.
Are the 'warhawks' in the room with you now, numbskull?
If I were you I'd give it a rest for another few months, there's a good lad.
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Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 09:58:25 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 08:35:22 PMNot much point in trying to rebut the argument of someone who will say black is white
Anyway, you continue your fight against CC.
You're doing a great job - proper sons of Roisin stuff
Atta boy
You made a statement and can't back it up.
I'll continue to criticise CC when she talks shite.
Is saying 'Catherine Connolly talks shite' a slur now as well?
Did you not say it needs to be untrue to be a slur? :D. Which that is.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 25, 2025, 06:20:25 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 09:58:25 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 08:35:22 PMNot much point in trying to rebut the argument of someone who will say black is white
Anyway, you continue your fight against CC.
You're doing a great job - proper sons of Roisin stuff
Atta boy
You made a statement and can't back it up.
I'll continue to criticise CC when she talks shite.
Is saying 'Catherine Connolly talks shite' a slur now as well?
Did you not say it needs to be untrue to be a slur? :D. Which that is.
She most definitely talks shite.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 11:20:08 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 11:09:26 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 11:03:34 PMCC going to romp it and the warhawks will be crying into their hamburgers tomorrow.
Are the 'warhawks' in the room with you now, numbskull?
If I were you I'd give it a rest for another few months, there's a good lad.
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Oh there you are numskull, I thought maybe you'd put me on ignore after my takedown of your 'coup' nonsense over on the Russia's attempted genocide thread.
Since I've got your attention, any update on the broken treaties claim you've gone silent on?
Just out of curiosity, if anyone here actually was a war hawk, do you think Catherine Connolly's impending election would have an impact that would give them cause for concern?
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 25, 2025, 08:12:29 AMQuote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 11:20:08 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 11:09:26 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 11:03:34 PMCC going to romp it and the warhawks will be crying into their hamburgers tomorrow.
Are the 'warhawks' in the room with you now, numbskull?
If I were you I'd give it a rest for another few months, there's a good lad.
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/vJKReAyB_oUAAAAd/charlie-mulgrew-scottish-football.gif)
Oh there you are numskull, I thought maybe you'd put me on ignore after my takedown of your 'coup' nonsense over on the Russia's attempted genocide thread.
Since I've got your attention, any update on the broken treaties claim you've gone silent on?
Calm down dear and accept the democratic result.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 25, 2025, 08:23:43 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 25, 2025, 08:12:29 AMQuote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 11:20:08 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 11:09:26 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 11:03:34 PMCC going to romp it and the warhawks will be crying into their hamburgers tomorrow.
Are the 'warhawks' in the room with you now, numbskull?
If I were you I'd give it a rest for another few months, there's a good lad.
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/vJKReAyB_oUAAAAd/charlie-mulgrew-scottish-football.gif)
Oh there you are numskull, I thought maybe you'd put me on ignore after my takedown of your 'coup' nonsense over on the Russia's attempted genocide thread.
Since I've got your attention, any update on the broken treaties claim you've gone silent on?
Calm down dear and accept the democratic result.
Broken treaties? No?
Of course there were none. You were talking shite.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 25, 2025, 08:47:03 AMQuote from: Hand of God on October 25, 2025, 08:23:43 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 25, 2025, 08:12:29 AMQuote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 11:20:08 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 11:09:26 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 11:03:34 PMCC going to romp it and the warhawks will be crying into their hamburgers tomorrow.
Are the 'warhawks' in the room with you now, numbskull?
If I were you I'd give it a rest for another few months, there's a good lad.
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/vJKReAyB_oUAAAAd/charlie-mulgrew-scottish-football.gif)
Oh there you are numskull, I thought maybe you'd put me on ignore after my takedown of your 'coup' nonsense over on the Russia's attempted genocide thread.
Since I've got your attention, any update on the broken treaties claim you've gone silent on?
Calm down dear and accept the democratic result.
Broken treaties? No?
Of course there were none. You were talking shite.
You just need to respect the democratic result which I know fascists like you struggle to do.
Quote from: gallsman on October 25, 2025, 08:14:57 AMJust out of curiosity, if anyone here actually was a war hawk, do you think Catherine Connolly's impending election would have an impact that would give them cause for concern?
In the upside down mind of a tankie, sending arms to a country which has been invaded by its genocidal neighbour, makes you a war hawk.
Twisted.
Quote from: gallsman on October 25, 2025, 08:14:57 AMJust out of curiosity, if anyone here actually was a war hawk, do you think Catherine Connolly's impending election would have an impact that would give them cause for concern?
As it's only the Presidency it won't have any impact on anything.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 25, 2025, 08:49:12 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 25, 2025, 08:47:03 AMQuote from: Hand of God on October 25, 2025, 08:23:43 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 25, 2025, 08:12:29 AMQuote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 11:20:08 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 11:09:26 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 24, 2025, 11:03:34 PMCC going to romp it and the warhawks will be crying into their hamburgers tomorrow.
Are the 'warhawks' in the room with you now, numbskull?
If I were you I'd give it a rest for another few months, there's a good lad.
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Oh there you are numskull, I thought maybe you'd put me on ignore after my takedown of your 'coup' nonsense over on the Russia's attempted genocide thread.
Since I've got your attention, any update on the broken treaties claim you've gone silent on?
Calm down dear and accept the democratic result.
Broken treaties? No?
Of course there were none. You were talking shite.
You just need to respect the democratic result which I know fascists like you struggle to do.
I care as much about the result as the majority of the electorate who didn't bother their arse to turn up to vote.
Who could blame them.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 25, 2025, 08:55:58 AMI care as much about the result as the majority of the electorate who didn't bother their arse to turn up to vote.
Who could blame them.
lol! Odd that you've probably been the most prolific contributor there has been to a thread about an election you claim to have absolutely no interest in the result of!
Humphreys tally in Dublin South Central well behind the tally of spoiled votes and only slightly ahead of Jim Gavin!
Looking like 66% at least for Connolly.
Probably the only 2 happy FFrs/FGrs will be Kelleher and Kelly.
Quote from: Snapchap on October 25, 2025, 09:38:03 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 25, 2025, 08:55:58 AMI care as much about the result as the majority of the electorate who didn't bother their arse to turn up to vote.
Who could blame them.
lol! Odd that you've probably been the most prolific contributor there has been to a thread about an election you claim to have absolutely no interest in the result of!
My criticism of CC is very specific. If not for her faults in that particular area, I wouldn't comment on this thread at all.
The projection is that Catherine Connolly will win the Presidential election by a landslide.
66% of what? 33% The Republic obviously don't have much interest in elections.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 25, 2025, 12:01:33 PM66% of what? 33% The Republic obviously don't have much interest in elections.
Votes.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 25, 2025, 08:55:58 AMI care as much about the result as the majority of the electorate who didn't bother their arse to turn up to vote.
Who could blame them.
The reality is you are coming across as irate.
Quote from: Hand of God on October 25, 2025, 12:44:23 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 25, 2025, 08:55:58 AMI care as much about the result as the majority of the electorate who didn't bother their arse to turn up to vote.
Who could blame them.
The reality is you are coming across as irate.
The irony of that from you of all people numbskull 🤣.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 10:57:48 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 10:26:09 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 09:58:25 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 08:35:22 PMNot much point in trying to rebut the argument of someone who will say black is white
Anyway, you continue your fight against CC.
You're doing a great job - proper sons of Roisin stuff
Atta boy
You made a statement and can't back it up.
I'll continue to criticise CC when she talks shite.
Is saying 'Catherine Connolly talks shite' a slur now as well?
Good lad, you're doing really well
Keep fighting the fight
You're very upset about the whole thing.
I hope you find the strength to cope with all this criticism of CC.
Lol, I think I'll manage you know
But like I say, you keep her lit fella
This result has been a fair old setback for you, but you mustn't give up
Sure if nothing else, you're good for a laugh
Quote from: Franko on October 25, 2025, 01:08:36 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 10:57:48 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 10:26:09 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 09:58:25 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 08:35:22 PMNot much point in trying to rebut the argument of someone who will say black is white
Anyway, you continue your fight against CC.
You're doing a great job - proper sons of Roisin stuff
Atta boy
You made a statement and can't back it up.
I'll continue to criticise CC when she talks shite.
Is saying 'Catherine Connolly talks shite' a slur now as well?
Good lad, you're doing really well
Keep fighting the fight
You're very upset about the whole thing.
I hope you find the strength to cope with all this criticism of CC.
Lol, I think I'll manage you know
But like I say, you keep her lit fella
This result has been a fair old setback for you, but you mustn't give up
Sure if nothing else, you're good for a laugh
I'd love you to explain how CC being elected is a great setback.
A setback to what exactly?
I'd get the popcorn out waiting for this one.
Think the % of spoiled votes says alot
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 25, 2025, 01:15:46 PMThink the % of spoiled votes says alot
Yeah the power of social media and the simpletons thag believe everything they read on it. Similar to what the support for Trump shows us
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 25, 2025, 12:01:33 PM66% of what? 33% The Republic obviously don't have much interest in elections.
Just immaterial ones like the Uachtarántacht.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 25, 2025, 01:18:59 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on October 25, 2025, 01:15:46 PMThink the % of spoiled votes says alot
Yeah the power of social media and the simpletons thag believe everything they read on it. Similar to what the support for Trump shows us
Spoiling your vote was in many peoples case the only way of expressing their disgust at the nomination process and the current mess Ireland is in and heading towards.
I think with CC looking a clear winner the week coming into Polling day, Many seen the opportunity to spoil their vote - Without consequence.
I do think CC will make a decent President. That is the only positive about this election which otherwise was a stain on the Election selection process.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 25, 2025, 10:12:42 AMLooking like 66% at least for Connolly.
Probably the only 2 happy FFrs/FGrs will be Kelleher and Kelly.
Great to see FFG taking a trouncing.
Delighted for them. ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 25, 2025, 01:30:46 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 25, 2025, 01:18:59 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on October 25, 2025, 01:15:46 PMThink the % of spoiled votes says alot
Yeah the power of social media and the simpletons thag believe everything they read on it. Similar to what the support for Trump shows us
Spoiling your vote was in many peoples case the only way of expressing their disgust at the nomination process and the current mess Ireland is in and heading towards.
I think with CC looking a clear winner the week coming into Polling day, Many seen the opportunity to spoil their vote - Without consequence.
I do think CC will make a decent President. That is the only positive about this election which otherwise was a stain on the Election selection process.
Very paltry choice. Some of the potential candidate names being bandied about looked more like a line up for a (very bad) series of celebrity jungle.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 25, 2025, 01:13:49 PMQuote from: Franko on October 25, 2025, 01:08:36 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 10:57:48 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 10:26:09 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 09:58:25 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 08:35:22 PMNot much point in trying to rebut the argument of someone who will say black is white
Anyway, you continue your fight against CC.
You're doing a great job - proper sons of Roisin stuff
Atta boy
You made a statement and can't back it up.
I'll continue to criticise CC when she talks shite.
Is saying 'Catherine Connolly talks shite' a slur now as well?
Good lad, you're doing really well
Keep fighting the fight
You're very upset about the whole thing.
I hope you find the strength to cope with all this criticism of CC.
Lol, I think I'll manage you know
But like I say, you keep her lit fella
This result has been a fair old setback for you, but you mustn't give up
Sure if nothing else, you're good for a laugh
I'd love you to explain how CC being elected is a great setback.
A setback to what exactly?
I'd get the popcorn out waiting for this one.
A basic comprehension fail
If the likes of you are a representative example of her main detractors, then yesterdays hammering makes a lot of sense
Go get yourself a couple of hours kip fella, it's clearly been a long night
And you've 7 years of keyboard bashing ahead of you
Might not agree with the rationale behind it, but spoiling a vote is 100% a legitimate form of protest
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on October 25, 2025, 01:02:30 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 25, 2025, 12:44:23 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 25, 2025, 08:55:58 AMI care as much about the result as the majority of the electorate who didn't bother their arse to turn up to vote.
Who could blame them.
The reality is you are coming across as irate.
The irony of that from you of all people numbskull 🤣.
Calm down dear.
Aggregate of national tallies
(albeit only partial in some constituencies):
Catherine Connolly 63%
Heather Humphreys 30%
Jim Gavin 7%
Roughly 13% of votes nationwide are spoiled/invalid
Quote from: Hand of God on October 25, 2025, 01:55:19 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 25, 2025, 01:02:30 PMQuote from: Hand of God on October 25, 2025, 12:44:23 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 25, 2025, 08:55:58 AMI care as much about the result as the majority of the electorate who didn't bother their arse to turn up to vote.
Who could blame them.
The reality is you are coming across as irate.
The irony of that from you of all people numbskull 🤣.
Calm down dear.
Still waiting on the information regarding broken treaties to come back from the supercomputer.
Anytime soon?
And if, when all a vigil keep
The Left's asleep! the Left's asleep!
Alas! and well may Erin weep
That the left lies in slumber deep
But, hark! a voice like thunder spake
The Left's awake! the Left's awake!
Quote from: Franko on October 25, 2025, 01:44:03 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 25, 2025, 01:13:49 PMQuote from: Franko on October 25, 2025, 01:08:36 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 10:57:48 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 10:26:09 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on October 24, 2025, 09:58:25 PMQuote from: Franko on October 24, 2025, 08:35:22 PMNot much point in trying to rebut the argument of someone who will say black is white
Anyway, you continue your fight against CC.
You're doing a great job - proper sons of Roisin stuff
Atta boy
You made a statement and can't back it up.
I'll continue to criticise CC when she talks shite.
Is saying 'Catherine Connolly talks shite' a slur now as well?
Good lad, you're doing really well
Keep fighting the fight
You're very upset about the whole thing.
I hope you find the strength to cope with all this criticism of CC.
Lol, I think I'll manage you know
But like I say, you keep her lit fella
This result has been a fair old setback for you, but you mustn't give up
Sure if nothing else, you're good for a laugh
I'd love you to explain how CC being elected is a great setback.
A setback to what exactly?
I'd get the popcorn out waiting for this one.
A basic comprehension fail
If the likes of you are a representative example of her main detractors, then yesterdays hammering makes a lot of sense
Go get yourself a couple of hours kip fella, it's clearly been a long night
And you've 7 years of keyboard bashing ahead of you
Oh aye it was a nail biting finish what with it being apparent weeks ago that CC was going to win.
The basic comprehension fail is on your part. You said her being elected is a great setback to me. I asked you in what way. So, let's hear all about it.
You know, it's really quite bizarre, the tankie's favourite won and you lot have been on here crying all morning 🤣
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/25/irish-presidential-election-count-results-catherine-connolly-heather-humphreys/
Fine Gael candidate Heather Humphreys has congratulated Catherine Connolly, saying she will be the next president of Ireland
Comprehensive win in the end for President Connolly, the first 3-in-a-row for Galway since the 60's, a dignified congratulations from Heather Humphreys, and a delighted spoilthevote campaign which they are saying will be around 200,000. A huge defeat for government parties of FF/FG and no doubt The L Words will be well employed in the days ahead, not just for the left but the auld "lessons must be learned."
It's an overwhelming majority for Connolly going by the counts so far.
Connolly won this on her strength of character and her stance on preserving Ireland's neutrality. As FFG grow towards tying Ireland to the military objectives of the EU and the western superpowers.
Every poll taken on Ireland's neutrality has shown overwhelming support for them despite a relentless campaign by govt politicians and the MSM who have been consistently platforming loud voices wanting to remove neutrality.
A bloody nose for the warhawks today, they won't take this lying down though....
Connolly ran a good campaign. FF and FG are on a record low of 35%. Both parties are knackered.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorials/2025/10/22/the-irish-times-view-on-the-presidential-election-an-uninspiring-choice/
Of the two active campaigns, Catherine Connolly's – built around the broadest alliance of left-wing parties in the State's history – has been disciplined, coherent and impressively managed. When she launched her bid in the middle of summer, describing it as a "movement", the word seemed presumptuous. It now looks prescient.
Quote from: seafoid on October 25, 2025, 04:18:20 PMConnolly ran a good campaign. FF and FG are on a record low of 35%. Both parties are knackered.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorials/2025/10/22/the-irish-times-view-on-the-presidential-election-an-uninspiring-choice/
Of the two active campaigns, Catherine Connolly's – built around the broadest alliance of left-wing parties in the State's history – has been disciplined, coherent and impressively managed. When she launched her bid in the middle of summer, describing it as a "movement", the word seemed presumptuous. It now looks prescient.
It'll be still hard to get rid of them.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 25, 2025, 04:32:58 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 25, 2025, 04:18:20 PMConnolly ran a good campaign. FF and FG are on a record low of 35%. Both parties are knackered.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorials/2025/10/22/the-irish-times-view-on-the-presidential-election-an-uninspiring-choice/
Of the two active campaigns, Catherine Connolly's – built around the broadest alliance of left-wing parties in the State's history – has been disciplined, coherent and impressively managed. When she launched her bid in the middle of summer, describing it as a "movement", the word seemed presumptuous. It now looks prescient.
It'll be still hard to get rid of them.
Needs a proper left coalition at the next GE. Get them out for good.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 25, 2025, 04:46:34 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 25, 2025, 04:32:58 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 25, 2025, 04:18:20 PMConnolly ran a good campaign. FF and FG are on a record low of 35%. Both parties are knackered.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorials/2025/10/22/the-irish-times-view-on-the-presidential-election-an-uninspiring-choice/
Of the two active campaigns, Catherine Connolly's – built around the broadest alliance of left-wing parties in the State's history – has been disciplined, coherent and impressively managed. When she launched her bid in the middle of summer, describing it as a "movement", the word seemed presumptuous. It now looks prescient.
It'll be still hard to get rid of them.
Needs a proper left coalition at the next GE. Get them out for good.
Get them out is a nationalist slogan!
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 25, 2025, 04:46:34 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 25, 2025, 04:32:58 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 25, 2025, 04:18:20 PMConnolly ran a good campaign. FF and FG are on a record low of 35%. Both parties are knackered.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorials/2025/10/22/the-irish-times-view-on-the-presidential-election-an-uninspiring-choice/
Of the two active campaigns, Catherine Connolly's – built around the broadest alliance of left-wing parties in the State's history – has been disciplined, coherent and impressively managed. When she launched her bid in the middle of summer, describing it as a "movement", the word seemed presumptuous. It now looks prescient.
It'll be still hard to get rid of them.
Needs a proper left coalition at the next GE. Get them out for good.
This could be taken a few ways....
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 25, 2025, 04:46:34 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 25, 2025, 04:32:58 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 25, 2025, 04:18:20 PMConnolly ran a good campaign. FF and FG are on a record low of 35%. Both parties are knackered.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorials/2025/10/22/the-irish-times-view-on-the-presidential-election-an-uninspiring-choice/
Of the two active campaigns, Catherine Connolly's – built around the broadest alliance of left-wing parties in the State's history – has been disciplined, coherent and impressively managed. When she launched her bid in the middle of summer, describing it as a "movement", the word seemed presumptuous. It now looks prescient.
It'll be still hard to get rid of them.
Needs a proper left coalition at the next GE. Get them out for good.
They are nearly one entity now, transfer friendly to each other. They have a core voting foundation.
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 25, 2025, 05:02:38 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 25, 2025, 04:46:34 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 25, 2025, 04:32:58 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 25, 2025, 04:18:20 PMConnolly ran a good campaign. FF and FG are on a record low of 35%. Both parties are knackered.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorials/2025/10/22/the-irish-times-view-on-the-presidential-election-an-uninspiring-choice/
Of the two active campaigns, Catherine Connolly's – built around the broadest alliance of left-wing parties in the State's history – has been disciplined, coherent and impressively managed. When she launched her bid in the middle of summer, describing it as a "movement", the word seemed presumptuous. It now looks prescient.
It'll be still hard to get rid of them.
Needs a proper left coalition at the next GE. Get them out for good.
This could be taken a few ways....
Context lads context :D.
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/18/combined-support-for-fianna-fail-and-fine-gael-at-historic-low/
"Combined support for Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael at historic low
The Irish Times/Ipsos B&A poll reveals a drop in support for Fianna Fáil, down five percentage points to 17 per cent. The gamble on Jim Gavin has not paid off.
Some of the party's voters appear to have drifted across to Sinn Féin, which is up five points to 27 per cent. Fine Gael records a modest increase in support, up one point to 18 per cent."
35% is a long way from governing status. 51% could be made up of left wingers with sympathetic independents. FF and FG need reboots in the wilderness.
Aontú and vote spoilers still girning about Marie Steen... considering the gay marriage and abortion referendum results, can't imagine she had a hope in hell of being elected.
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 25, 2025, 06:02:20 PMAontú and vote spoilers still girning about Marie Steen... considering the gay marriage and abortion referendum results, can't imagine she had a hope in hell of being elected.
Humphreys would have finished well ahead of her.
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 25, 2025, 06:12:12 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 25, 2025, 06:02:20 PMAontú and vote spoilers still girning about Marie Steen... considering the gay marriage and abortion referendum results, can't imagine she had a hope in hell of being elected.
Humphreys would have finished well ahead of her.
You have to realise that there were also the disenchanted that stayed at home and didn't even bother spoiling their vote.
A mauling, any way you look at it. Am i right in saying Humpherys only won one constituency, Cavan-Monaghan? 45.9% turnout overall.
CC 55%
HH 26%
JG 6%
SV 13%
so far
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 25, 2025, 06:38:10 PMCC 55%
HH 26%
JG 6%
SV 13%
so far
Where did you get those numbers? RTE has Connelly on 63.1 and Humpherys on 29.7 with two constituencies to come.
Why the huge numbers of spoiled votes?
I mean, what's the point? Surely not bothering to vote would achieve the same thing?
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 25, 2025, 06:48:33 PMWhy the huge numbers of spoiled votes?
I mean, what's the point? Surely not bothering to vote would achieve the same thing?
So you are saying sit on your hands at home and do nothing?
Quote from: OakLeaf on October 25, 2025, 06:41:43 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 25, 2025, 06:38:10 PMCC 55%
HH 26%
JG 6%
SV 13%
so far
Where did you get those numbers? RTE has Connelly on 63.1 and Humpherys on 29.7 with two constituencies to come.
I presume tge 63/29 is the share over valid votes?
Did ye hear that detestable **** Ganley on radio today.
"Maria Steen would have won easily"
She would in her arsenal...
Quote from: Rossfan on October 25, 2025, 07:11:33 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on October 25, 2025, 06:41:43 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 25, 2025, 06:38:10 PMCC 55%
HH 26%
JG 6%
SV 13%
so far
Where did you get those numbers? RTE has Connelly on 63.1 and Humpherys on 29.7 with two constituencies to come.
I presume tge 63/29 is the share over valid votes?
Did ye hear that detestable **** Ganley on radio today.
"Maria Steen would have won easily"
She would in her arsenal...
Yes that is the % of ALL votes.
Maria Steen would never have won. But nominating her would have left her open to the heavy scrutiny all candidates get in an Election. And that would have been no harm.
As for RTE - Who do you think holds the purse strings to their Budgets? And how does this influence their agendas?
In Fairness CC will be a decent President. It could have been worse.
I agree. She was the better candidate. Still and all, I spoiled my vote because I couldn't vote for a communist.
Am I missing something with the media coverage and this thread getting to 85 pages against the Presidents actual influence and ability to effect change?
The only time I saw Michael D was just before throw in on All Ireland final day
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 25, 2025, 06:56:30 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on October 25, 2025, 06:48:33 PMWhy the huge numbers of spoiled votes?
I mean, what's the point? Surely not bothering to vote would achieve the same thing?
So you are saying sit on your hands at home and do nothing?
So why did you spoil your vote? Is it the candidate from the left or candidate from the right you are protesting against? Why don't you go out and do something concrete about it if you're not happy about something? Be the change you want to see.
Just don't understand people spoiling their vote. Gives them no right to speak out about any politician if they don't bother engaging in the process of electing them in the first place.
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 25, 2025, 06:02:20 PMAontú and vote spoilers still girning about Marie Steen... considering the gay marriage and abortion referendum results, can't imagine she had a hope in hell of being elected.
Oh no chance. But I do wish she had been on the ballot, just to shut those ones up
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 25, 2025, 07:32:30 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 25, 2025, 06:02:20 PMAontú and vote spoilers still girning about Marie Steen... considering the gay marriage and abortion referendum results, can't imagine she had a hope in hell of being elected.
Oh no chance. But I do wish she had been on the ballot, just to shut those ones up
It would have been good. They'd never acknowledge that she didn't do the hard yards early enough to get on the ballot.
Quote from: OakLeaf on October 25, 2025, 07:41:34 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 25, 2025, 07:32:30 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 25, 2025, 06:02:20 PMAontú and vote spoilers still girning about Marie Steen... considering the gay marriage and abortion referendum results, can't imagine she had a hope in hell of being elected.
Oh no chance. But I do wish she had been on the ballot, just to shut those ones up
It would have been good. They'd never acknowledge that she didn't do the hard yards early enough to get on the ballot.
99% of people complaining I would bet had never heard of her before this.
And the twats writing #shewas10 on their ballot would want to take a look at themselves.
Quote from: AustinPowers on October 25, 2025, 06:48:33 PMWhy the huge numbers of spoiled votes?
I mean, what's the point? Surely not bothering to vote would achieve the same thing?
Aka the grumpy teenager vote #kevinperry
Quote from: mouview on October 25, 2025, 07:29:07 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 25, 2025, 06:56:30 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on October 25, 2025, 06:48:33 PMWhy the huge numbers of spoiled votes?
I mean, what's the point? Surely not bothering to vote would achieve the same thing?
So you are saying sit on your hands at home and do nothing?
So why did you spoil your vote? Is it the candidate from the left or candidate from the right you are protesting against? Why don't you go out and do something concrete about it if you're not happy about something? Be the change you want to see.
Just don't understand people spoiling their vote. Gives them no right to speak out about any politician if they don't bother engaging in the process of electing them in the first place.
I spoilt it because I was uncomfortable about the Monopoly that exists among the Large Parties. I have never spoilt a vote before.
The decision was made easier by the contest not being a contest and CC sure to get elected.
If you want to criticise anyone then criticise the people who voted JG. What the hell was going on there?
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Final Result
CC 55%
HH 26%
PG 6%
SV 13%
Quote from: Rossfan on October 25, 2025, 08:50:38 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 25, 2025, 08:40:15 PMFinal Result
CC 55%
HH 26%
PG 6%
SV 13%
Just stop!!
I don't get it that JG get a % and SV don't - What is the difference?
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 25, 2025, 09:09:05 PMQuote from: Rossfan on October 25, 2025, 08:50:38 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 25, 2025, 08:40:15 PMFinal Result
CC 55%
HH 26%
PG 6%
SV 13%
Just stop!!
I don't get it that JG get a % and SV don't - What is the difference?
He's discounting the spoiled votes because they're - largely - right wing. Basically in denial.
From the Bunker spoiled his vote? :o
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 25, 2025, 09:44:54 PMFrom the Bunker spoiled his vote? :o
and Captain Obvious could only just look on.
A good show from Gavin, all things considered.
Why do people listen to their local TD canvassing if they are FF or FG.
One they get in they just do what they are told.
FG and FF cant just say yeah we made a balls of it.
Also, Spoil the Vote heads are out claiming every one for Steen.
One flashed up on RTÉ News for Marie Steen. Bertie got some and so did Dustin the Turkey.
That narrative needs stopping too.
Steen wouldn't have won, maybe Gavin neither but the process got to change. 66% of the country didn't vote. This and 20% votes of did were not for the 2 candidates. The process to be nominated needs streamlined and not dependent on the 3 big parties say at council level.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on October 26, 2025, 08:59:09 AMWhy do people listen to their local TD canvassing if they are FF or FG.
One they get in they just do what they are told.
FG and FF cant just say yeah we made a balls of it.
Also, Spoil the Vote heads are out claiming every one for Steen.
One flashed up on RTÉ News for Marie Steen. Bertie got some and so did Dustin the Turkey.
That narrative needs stopping too.
Everyone that can take credit from the Election - will take credit.
Steen supporters for the Spoilt votes - Even though there is a wide spread of reasons for spoilt votes - Not all were Steen supporters.
Sinn Fein for CC getting elected. Even though they jumped on the Bandwagon last minute when they seen she had momentum.
This Election was a mess from start to finish and FFG must be delighted that a line can be drawn under it for another 7 years. If CC is half as competent as I expect her to be she'll be there for another 7. Although she will be 75 next time.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 26, 2025, 10:31:31 AMSteen wouldn't have won, maybe Gavin neither but the process got to change. 66% of the country didn't vote. This and 20% votes of did were not for the 2 candidates. The process to be nominated needs streamlined and not dependent on the 3 big parties say at council level.
56%
Considering Dana got 2% in 2011 it is doubtful there would have given a huge vote for Marie Steen this time. Esposing a similar return to the old Catholic ethos ruling Ireland.
Not a hope would Steen got in. Pity she didn't run wouldn't have to listen to all this girning from Toibín and Aontú folk.
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2025, 10:47:39 AMConsidering Dana got 2% in 2011 it is doubtful there would have given a huge vote for Marie Steen this time. Esposing a similar return to the old Catholic ethos ruling Ireland.
Not a hope would Steen got in. Pity she didn't run wouldn't have to listen to all this girning from Toibín and Aontú folk.
You are probably right. Blocking her left her less open to scrutiny and accountability. She became far bigger than she really was shouting from the gallery and playing the victim.
That said we are in a different Ireland from when Dana ran in 2011.
The reality though is Her and her like are a threat and the momentum is building. So blocking her hides the true disquiet statistically for the moment.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 26, 2025, 10:55:49 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2025, 10:47:39 AMConsidering Dana got 2% in 2011 it is doubtful there would have given a huge vote for Marie Steen this time. Esposing a similar return to the old Catholic ethos ruling Ireland.
Not a hope would Steen got in. Pity she didn't run wouldn't have to listen to all this girning from Toibín and Aontú folk.
You are probably right. Blocking her left her less open to scrutiny and accountability. She became far bigger than she really was shouting from the gallery and playing the victim.
That said we are in a different Ireland from when Dana ran in 2011.
The reality though is Her and her like are a threat and the momentum is building. So blocking her hides the true disquiet statistically for the moment.
Seems to be an overlap with the religious fundamentalism and far right MAGA mindset. Aontú paid huge tribute to Charlie Kirk.
She would have got torn apart in the debates with her record on different issues including same sex marriage and abortion... whatever one's opinion both were overwhelming voted in.
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2025, 11:53:29 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 26, 2025, 10:55:49 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2025, 10:47:39 AMConsidering Dana got 2% in 2011 it is doubtful there would have given a huge vote for Marie Steen this time. Esposing a similar return to the old Catholic ethos ruling Ireland.
Not a hope would Steen got in. Pity she didn't run wouldn't have to listen to all this girning from Toibín and Aontú folk.
You are probably right. Blocking her left her less open to scrutiny and accountability. She became far bigger than she really was shouting from the gallery and playing the victim.
That said we are in a different Ireland from when Dana ran in 2011.
The reality though is Her and her like are a threat and the momentum is building. So blocking her hides the true disquiet statistically for the moment.
Seems to be an overlap with the religious fundamentalism and far right MAGA mindset. Aontú paid huge tribute to Charlie Kirk.
She would have got torn apart in the debates with her record on different issues including same sex marriage and abortion... whatever one's opinion both were overwhelming voted in.
Whether you agree or disagree with her points of view, she would have wiped the floor with all of them in a debate
Quote from: whitey on October 26, 2025, 12:03:33 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2025, 11:53:29 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 26, 2025, 10:55:49 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2025, 10:47:39 AMConsidering Dana got 2% in 2011 it is doubtful there would have given a huge vote for Marie Steen this time. Esposing a similar return to the old Catholic ethos ruling Ireland.
Not a hope would Steen got in. Pity she didn't run wouldn't have to listen to all this girning from Toibín and Aontú folk.
You are probably right. Blocking her left her less open to scrutiny and accountability. She became far bigger than she really was shouting from the gallery and playing the victim.
That said we are in a different Ireland from when Dana ran in 2011.
The reality though is Her and her like are a threat and the momentum is building. So blocking her hides the true disquiet statistically for the moment.
Seems to be an overlap with the religious fundamentalism and far right MAGA mindset. Aontú paid huge tribute to Charlie Kirk.
She would have got torn apart in the debates with her record on different issues including same sex marriage and abortion... whatever one's opinion both were overwhelming voted in.
Whether you agree or disagree with her points of view, she would have wiped the floor with all of them in a debate
Problem is winning a debate counts for nothing.
Only thing that matters is who has the most votes on voting day.
Aontú very right wing. Plus Tobín gets some amount of airtime.
Quote from: marty34 on October 26, 2025, 12:45:17 PMQuote from: whitey on October 26, 2025, 12:03:33 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2025, 11:53:29 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 26, 2025, 10:55:49 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2025, 10:47:39 AMConsidering Dana got 2% in 2011 it is doubtful there would have given a huge vote for Marie Steen this time. Esposing a similar return to the old Catholic ethos ruling Ireland.
Not a hope would Steen got in. Pity she didn't run wouldn't have to listen to all this girning from Toibín and Aontú folk.
You are probably right. Blocking her left her less open to scrutiny and accountability. She became far bigger than she really was shouting from the gallery and playing the victim.
That said we are in a different Ireland from when Dana ran in 2011.
The reality though is Her and her like are a threat and the momentum is building. So blocking her hides the true disquiet statistically for the moment.
Seems to be an overlap with the religious fundamentalism and far right MAGA mindset. Aontú paid huge tribute to Charlie Kirk.
She would have got torn apart in the debates with her record on different issues including same sex marriage and abortion... whatever one's opinion both were overwhelming voted in.
Whether you agree or disagree with her points of view, she would have wiped the floor with all of them in a debate
Problem is winning a debate counts for nothing.
Only thing that matters is who has the most votes on voting day.
Aontú very right wing. Plus Tobín gets some amount of airtime.
Far too much air time and it was him and his party that was pushing the line that "Steen was blocked" when in reality she ran out of time to secure the nominations needed, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a ploy as it got more talking about her than if on the ballot paper.
From Sbp - apologies for formatting.
Red C Poll: Coalition support falls again as Sinn Féin gains
● Disastrous campaign heaps pressure on
FF and FG as Connolly wins in landslide
DANIEL MURRAY
POLICY EDITOR
Fianna Fáil has suffered an-
other blow in the latest Busi-
ness Post/Red C Poll, continu-
ing a downward trend for the
government parties since the
general election which will
heap further pressure on Tao-
iseach Micheál Martin and Tá-
naiste Simon Harris.
It comes as Catherine
Connolly was elected as the
10th president of Ireland in
a landslide win on Saturday,
trouncing Fine Gael's Heather
Humphreys.
Fianna Fáil's support has
fallen to 17 per cent, down 1
percentage point since the last
poll, but down 5 points since
the general election almost a
year ago. Fine Gael's support
has remained static since the
last poll at 19 per cent but is
two percentage points lower
than when the government
was elected.
Sinn Féin, meanwhile, is up
to 23 per cent, rising 2 per-
centage points from the last
poll, but up 4 points from the
election.
The new figures show the
government parties, togeth-
er, have fallen 7 percentage
points since the general
election. Taking Sinn Féin's
rise into account, the gap be-
tween the combined Fianna
Fáil-Fine Gael vote and the
main opposition party has
narrowed by a significant 11
percentage points.
With Martin's stock down
amid rumblings in the party
about a challenge to his lead-
ership before the next elec-
tion, Fianna Fáil's consistent
haemorrhaging of support
will ratchet up the pressure on
the taoiseach after Jim Gavin's
disastrous campaign.
By evening, counts from
around the country had Con-
nolly on 64 per cent of the vote
with Humphreys lagging far
behind on just 28.77 per cent.
"I'm absolutely delighted
with the support and I would
like to thank all of my voters,"
Connolly said from the count
centre in Galway on Saturday.
Humphreys conceded by
2pm, wishing Connolly well
and adding that she had "not
one regret".
Martin said Connolly had
secured a "clear mandate"
and would "no doubt" serve
the country well.
The number of spoiled votes
emerged as a major theme of
the election with tallies of
some ballot boxes showing
the proportion hitting 15 per
cent, highlighting widespread
dissatisfaction with both the
choice of candidates and, in
some instances, the govern-
ment itself. Harris said he
wanted to "get under the bon-
net" of the issues alienating a
sizeable cohort of voters.
He defended Humphreys'
performance, arguing that she
was on course to have won
"way more" than Fine Gael's
share of the vote based on
polling and the last general
election. "Heather attracted
the Fine Gael vote plus some
more votes, but lots of oth-
er people who didn't wish
to vote Fine Gael coalesced
around Catherine Connolly,"
he said at Dublin Castle.
One senior party source
said Fine Gael was the "only
party that ended up contest-
ing this election".
"Ultimately you ended up
in a position where you had
one party contesting an elec-
tion against a candidate that
was backed by five parties.
That was always going to be
a major challenge."
As support for the coalition
partners ebbs away, left-wing
parties have been the main
beneficiaries with the Social
Democrats, which backed
Connolly's campaign from the
outset, gaining 2 percentage
points to reach a record high
of 9 per cent.
Holly Cairns's party has
now gained 4 percentage
points since the general
election. Independents are on
12 per cent (+1), the Labour
Party on 4 per cent (–), Aontú
on 4 per cent (+1), the Green
Party on 3 per cent (–), PBP-
Solidarity on 3 per cent (-1),
and Independent Ireland on 5
per cent (-1). Some 10 per cent
of voters were undecided.
Sinn Féin's support has
grown significantly from its
low point of 17 per cent a year
ago, to 23 per cent.
It remains considerably
below its 36 per cent vote
share in May 2022, however.
Sinn Féin, Social Demo-
crats, Labour, the Green Party
and PBP-Solidarity account
for a combined 42 per cent
share of the vote – ahead of
Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil's
combined 36 per cent.
Quote from: weareros on October 26, 2025, 01:27:26 PMFrom Sbp - apologies for formatting.
Red C Poll: Coalition support falls again as Sinn Féin gains
● Disastrous campaign heaps pressure on
FF and FG as Connolly wins in landslide
DANIEL MURRAY
POLICY EDITOR
Fianna Fáil has suffered an-
other blow in the latest Busi-
ness Post/Red C Poll, continu-
ing a downward trend for the
government parties since the
general election which will
heap further pressure on Tao-
iseach Micheál Martin and Tá-
naiste Simon Harris.
It comes as Catherine
Connolly was elected as the
10th president of Ireland in
a landslide win on Saturday,
trouncing Fine Gael's Heather
Humphreys.
Fianna Fáil's support has
fallen to 17 per cent, down 1
percentage point since the last
poll, but down 5 points since
the general election almost a
year ago. Fine Gael's support
has remained static since the
last poll at 19 per cent but is
two percentage points lower
than when the government
was elected.
Sinn Féin, meanwhile, is up
to 23 per cent, rising 2 per-
centage points from the last
poll, but up 4 points from the
election.
The new figures show the
government parties, togeth-
er, have fallen 7 percentage
points since the general
election. Taking Sinn Féin's
rise into account, the gap be-
tween the combined Fianna
Fáil-Fine Gael vote and the
main opposition party has
narrowed by a significant 11
percentage points.
With Martin's stock down
amid rumblings in the party
about a challenge to his lead-
ership before the next elec-
tion, Fianna Fáil's consistent
haemorrhaging of support
will ratchet up the pressure on
the taoiseach after Jim Gavin's
disastrous campaign.
By evening, counts from
around the country had Con-
nolly on 64 per cent of the vote
with Humphreys lagging far
behind on just 28.77 per cent.
"I'm absolutely delighted
with the support and I would
like to thank all of my voters,"
Connolly said from the count
centre in Galway on Saturday.
Humphreys conceded by
2pm, wishing Connolly well
and adding that she had "not
one regret".
Martin said Connolly had
secured a "clear mandate"
and would "no doubt" serve
the country well.
The number of spoiled votes
emerged as a major theme of
the election with tallies of
some ballot boxes showing
the proportion hitting 15 per
cent, highlighting widespread
dissatisfaction with both the
choice of candidates and, in
some instances, the govern-
ment itself. Harris said he
wanted to "get under the bon-
net" of the issues alienating a
sizeable cohort of voters.
He defended Humphreys'
performance, arguing that she
was on course to have won
"way more" than Fine Gael's
share of the vote based on
polling and the last general
election. "Heather attracted
the Fine Gael vote plus some
more votes, but lots of oth-
er people who didn't wish
to vote Fine Gael coalesced
around Catherine Connolly,"
he said at Dublin Castle.
One senior party source
said Fine Gael was the "only
party that ended up contest-
ing this election".
"Ultimately you ended up
in a position where you had
one party contesting an elec-
tion against a candidate that
was backed by five parties.
That was always going to be
a major challenge."
As support for the coalition
partners ebbs away, left-wing
parties have been the main
beneficiaries with the Social
Democrats, which backed
Connolly's campaign from the
outset, gaining 2 percentage
points to reach a record high
of 9 per cent.
Holly Cairns's party has
now gained 4 percentage
points since the general
election. Independents are on
12 per cent (+1), the Labour
Party on 4 per cent (–), Aontú
on 4 per cent (+1), the Green
Party on 3 per cent (–), PBP-
Solidarity on 3 per cent (-1),
and Independent Ireland on 5
per cent (-1). Some 10 per cent
of voters were undecided.
Sinn Féin's support has
grown significantly from its
low point of 17 per cent a year
ago, to 23 per cent.
It remains considerably
below its 36 per cent vote
share in May 2022, however.
Sinn Féin, Social Demo-
crats, Labour, the Green Party
and PBP-Solidarity account
for a combined 42 per cent
share of the vote – ahead of
Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil's
combined 36 per cent.
"Sinn Féin, Social Demo-
crats, Labour, the Green Party
and PBP-Solidarity account
for a combined 42 per cent
share of the vote – ahead of
Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil's
combined 36 per cent."
These numbers will be worth following
Exit Polls have been proven to be rubbish over the last decade or so.
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/26/ff-needs-to-reinvent-itself-after-campaign-shambles-party-td-says/
Fianna Fáil's presidential election campaign was a "shambles" and the party needs to "reinvent itself for the future", including a change of leader "in due course", according to one of its TDs.
Fianna Fáil Carlow-Kilkenny TD John McGuinness – who has been a long-time critic of party leader, Taoiseach Micheál Martin – also confirmed on Sunday that he voted for Catherine Connolly, the left-wing Independent TD who won the presidential election.
Quote from: seafoid on October 26, 2025, 04:28:09 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/26/ff-needs-to-reinvent-itself-after-campaign-shambles-party-td-says/
Fianna Fáil's presidential election campaign was a "shambles" and the party needs to "reinvent itself for the future", including a change of leader "in due course", according to one of its TDs.
Fianna Fáil Carlow-Kilkenny TD John McGuinness – who has been a long-time critic of party leader, Taoiseach Micheál Martin – also confirmed on Sunday that he voted for Catherine Connolly, the left-wing Independent TD who won the presidential election.
But sure he said after JG pulled out that he was voting HH?
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/11/micheal-martin-will-vote-for-heather-humphreys-but-wont-tell-party-to-back-fg-contender/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/11/micheal-martin-will-vote-for-heather-humphreys-but-wont-tell-party-to-back-fg-contender/)
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 26, 2025, 05:12:22 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 26, 2025, 04:28:09 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/26/ff-needs-to-reinvent-itself-after-campaign-shambles-party-td-says/
Fianna Fáil's presidential election campaign was a "shambles" and the party needs to "reinvent itself for the future", including a change of leader "in due course", according to one of its TDs.
Fianna Fáil Carlow-Kilkenny TD John McGuinness – who has been a long-time critic of party leader, Taoiseach Micheál Martin – also confirmed on Sunday that he voted for Catherine Connolly, the left-wing Independent TD who won the presidential election.
But sure he said after JG pulled out that he was voting HH?
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/11/micheal-martin-will-vote-for-heather-humphreys-but-wont-tell-party-to-back-fg-contender/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/11/micheal-martin-will-vote-for-heather-humphreys-but-wont-tell-party-to-back-fg-contender/)
That piece is saying that McGuinness (who has been a critic of Míchéal Martin) voted for CC.
Quote from: Tubberman on October 26, 2025, 05:44:22 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 26, 2025, 05:12:22 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 26, 2025, 04:28:09 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/26/ff-needs-to-reinvent-itself-after-campaign-shambles-party-td-says/
Fianna Fáil's presidential election campaign was a "shambles" and the party needs to "reinvent itself for the future", including a change of leader "in due course", according to one of its TDs.
Fianna Fáil Carlow-Kilkenny TD John McGuinness – who has been a long-time critic of party leader, Taoiseach Micheál Martin – also confirmed on Sunday that he voted for Catherine Connolly, the left-wing Independent TD who won the presidential election.
But sure he said after JG pulled out that he was voting HH?
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/11/micheal-martin-will-vote-for-heather-humphreys-but-wont-tell-party-to-back-fg-contender/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/11/micheal-martin-will-vote-for-heather-humphreys-but-wont-tell-party-to-back-fg-contender/)
That piece is saying that McGuinness (who has been a critic of Míchéal Martin) voted for CC.
Strange headline then.
Martin's days as leader coming to an end as a few TDs are publicly calling on him to go.
Quote from: whitey on October 26, 2025, 12:03:33 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2025, 11:53:29 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 26, 2025, 10:55:49 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2025, 10:47:39 AMConsidering Dana got 2% in 2011 it is doubtful there would have given a huge vote for Marie Steen this time. Esposing a similar return to the old Catholic ethos ruling Ireland.
Not a hope would Steen got in. Pity she didn't run wouldn't have to listen to all this girning from Toibín and Aontú folk.
You are probably right. Blocking her left her less open to scrutiny and accountability. She became far bigger than she really was shouting from the gallery and playing the victim.
That said we are in a different Ireland from when Dana ran in 2011.
The reality though is Her and her like are a threat and the momentum is building. So blocking her hides the true disquiet statistically for the moment.
Seems to be an overlap with the religious fundamentalism and far right MAGA mindset. Aontú paid huge tribute to Charlie Kirk.
She would have got torn apart in the debates with her record on different issues including same sex marriage and abortion... whatever one's opinion both were overwhelming voted in.
Whether you agree or disagree with her points of view, she would have wiped the floor with all of them in a debate
:D the Ireland you and Marie yearn for is gone Whitey. Those same sex marriage and abortion votes showed that as did Dana's effort to be President. It's 2025 not 1970.. thank God whoever your god maybe 🙏
https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/1026/1540698-fianna-fail-politics/
Members of the Fianna Fáil parliamentary party are actively talking about Taoiseach Micheál Martin's leadership, a senior TD has said.
In a potentially significant intervention, John Lahart told RTÉ News that he agreed with his colleague John McGuinness that there must be a discussion about the leadership.
Mr McGuinness said that the party needs a new leader in the not too distant future.
"It is a conversation that the party needs to have. The events of the last few weeks, the result yesterday, and the outcome of the result have brought that conversation forward," Mr Lahart said.
He said there was a huge amount of respect for Mr Martin and what he has achieved as leader over 14 years, but the Presidential election result reflected an error of judgement that will have consequences.
Mr Lahart said the centre has not held politically and a left-right divide has been created in Irish politics for the first time.
"I don't think Fianna Fáil can just sit back and observe that," he said.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 26, 2025, 05:59:55 PMQuote from: Tubberman on October 26, 2025, 05:44:22 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 26, 2025, 05:12:22 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 26, 2025, 04:28:09 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/26/ff-needs-to-reinvent-itself-after-campaign-shambles-party-td-says/
Fianna Fáil's presidential election campaign was a "shambles" and the party needs to "reinvent itself for the future", including a change of leader "in due course", according to one of its TDs.
Fianna Fáil CaQuote from: From the Bunker on October 26, 2025, 05:59:55 PMQuote from: Tubberman on October 26, 2025, 05:44:22 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 26, 2025, 05:12:22 PMQuote from: seafoid on October 26, 2025, 04:28:09 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/26/ff-needs-to-reinvent-itself-after-campaign-shambles-party-td-says/
Fianna Fáil's presidential election campaign was a "shambles" and the party needs to "reinvent itself for the future", including a change of leader "in due course", according to one of its TDs.
Fianna Fáil Carlow-Kilkenny TD John McGuinness – who has been a long-time critic of party leader, Taoiseach Micheál Martin – also confirmed on Sunday that he voted for Catherine Connolly, the left-wing Independent TD who won the presidential election.
But sure he said after JG pulled out that he was voting HH?
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/11/micheal-martin-will-vote-for-heather-humphreys-but-wont-tell-party-to-back-fg-contender/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/11/micheal-martin-will-vote-for-heather-humphreys-but-wont-tell-party-to-back-fg-contender/)
That piece is saying that McGuinness (who has been a critic of Míchéal Martin) voted for CC.
Strange headline then.
rlow-Kilkenny TD John McGuinness – who has been a long-time critic of party leader, Taoiseach Micheál Martin – also confirmed on Sunday that he voted for Catherine Connolly, the left-wing Independent TD who won the presidential election.
But sure he said after JG pulled out that he was voting HH?
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/11/micheal-martin-will-vote-for-heather-humphreys-but-wont-tell-party-to-back-fg-contender/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/10/11/micheal-martin-will-vote-for-heather-humphreys-but-wont-tell-party-to-back-fg-contender/)
That piece is saying that McGuinness (who has been a critic of Míchéal Martin) voted for CC.
Strange headline then.
No it's not. The headline of the original article talks about John McGuinness saying that he voted for Connolly. You then misread the extract from the article and posted another article talking about Martin saying he would vote for Humphreys.
A acary dangerous bunch of Trumplites....
https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2025/1025/1540566-who-was-behind-the-spoil-the-vote-campaign/
Quote from: Rossfan on October 26, 2025, 11:56:10 PMA acary dangerous bunch of Trumplites....
https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2025/1025/1540566-who-was-behind-the-spoil-the-vote-campaign/
A group of powerless people voicing an opinion with little or no mainstream attention. They're not scary!
I'd be looking elsewhere for the Scary people. The ones without a face but are pulling the strings.
Did you find them yet?
Who are they?
Quote from: Rossfan on October 26, 2025, 11:56:10 PMA acary dangerous bunch of Trumplites....
https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2025/1025/1540566-who-was-behind-the-spoil-the-vote-campaign/
Mr Ganley sounds like a ball bag
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/10/27/gerard-howlin-if-micheal-martin-survives-this-his-achievement-will-almost-rival-catherine-connollys/
Catherine Connolly's election is a nadir for Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael. It is not just the debacle of the campaign. It is the reality that, for the first time since 2007, there will be an alternative government on offer at the next general election.
Sinn Féin was the big winner last Friday and Mary Lou McDonald for taoiseach is now a credible possibility. It is an each-way bet for Sinn Féin. If the left alliance can muster the numbers, that's fine. But if Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael fall back, and they can't make it together, Sinn Féin can and would consider a deal with Fianna Fáil under new leadership.
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2025, 07:14:38 PMQuote from: whitey on October 26, 2025, 12:03:33 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2025, 11:53:29 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 26, 2025, 10:55:49 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2025, 10:47:39 AMConsidering Dana got 2% in 2011 it is doubtful there would have given a huge vote for Marie Steen this time. Esposing a similar return to the old Catholic ethos ruling Ireland.
Not a hope would Steen got in. Pity she didn't run wouldn't have to listen to all this girning from Toibín and Aontú folk.
You are probably right. Blocking her left her less open to scrutiny and accountability. She became far bigger than she really was shouting from the gallery and playing the victim.
That said we are in a different Ireland from when Dana ran in 2011.
The reality though is Her and her like are a threat and the momentum is building. So blocking her hides the true disquiet statistically for the moment.
Seems to be an overlap with the religious fundamentalism and far right MAGA mindset. Aontú paid huge tribute to Charlie Kirk.
She would have got torn apart in the debates with her record on different issues including same sex marriage and abortion... whatever one's opinion both were overwhelming voted in.
Whether you agree or disagree with her points of view, she would have wiped the floor with all of them in a debate
:D the Ireland you and Marie yearn for is gone Whitey. Those same sex marriage and abortion votes showed that as did Dana's effort to be President. It's 2025 not 1970.. thank God whoever your god maybe 🙏
I disagree with Maria Steen on almost everything BUT it is important that hers and other dissenting voices be heard
I actually don't believe in God, but I respect people who do and I respect their perspectives and opinions
Quote from: whitey on October 27, 2025, 08:58:37 PMI disagree with Maria Steen on almost everything BUT it is important that hers and other dissenting voices be heard
I actually don't believe in God, but I respect people who do and I respect their perspectives and opinions
That's is the importance of free speech and proper democracy.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 27, 2025, 09:06:53 PMQuote from: whitey on October 27, 2025, 08:58:37 PMI disagree with Maria Steen on almost everything BUT it is important that hers and other dissenting voices be heard
I actually don't believe in God, but I respect people who do and I respect their perspectives and opinions
That's is the importance of free speech and proper democracy.
It is.
But democracy would be some shitshow if every Tom Dick and Harry could get on the ballot paper. Needs to be some sort of criteria.
The whole Steen thing gives me the feeling shes happier being able to sit on the sidelines; she wouldn't have had a hope of getting elected, would have got some votes of course but nowhere near winning.
If she cares that much she'll put the work in next time and get on the ballot paper.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2025, 09:37:39 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 27, 2025, 09:06:53 PMQuote from: whitey on October 27, 2025, 08:58:37 PMI disagree with Maria Steen on almost everything BUT it is important that hers and other dissenting voices be heard
I actually don't believe in God, but I respect people who do and I respect their perspectives and opinions
That's is the importance of free speech and proper democracy.
It is.
But democracy would be some shitshow if every Tom Dick and Harry could get on the ballot paper. Needs to be some sort of criteria.
The whole Steen thing gives me the feeling shes happier being able to sit on the sidelines; she wouldn't have had a hope of getting elected, would have got some votes of course but nowhere near winning.
If she cares that much she'll put the work in next time and get on the ballot paper.
We had 6 on the last ballot and 8 on the one before
Were either of those elections a a $hit show?
We can talk all we want about her "not putting in the work" but in reality didn't the main political parties (FF/FG) remove the path to the ballot through the local authorities that were available for the last two elections.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0906/1532140-fine-gael-presidential/
"For independents, council nominations have historically been a key path to the ballot paper - a path now threatened by party-political interference"
Quote from: whitey on October 27, 2025, 08:58:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2025, 07:14:38 PMQuote from: whitey on October 26, 2025, 12:03:33 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2025, 11:53:29 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 26, 2025, 10:55:49 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 26, 2025, 10:47:39 AMConsidering Dana got 2% in 2011 it is doubtful there would have given a huge vote for Marie Steen this time. Esposing a similar return to the old Catholic ethos ruling Ireland.
Not a hope would Steen got in. Pity she didn't run wouldn't have to listen to all this girning from Toibín and Aontú folk.
You are probably right. Blocking her left her less open to scrutiny and accountability. She became far bigger than she really was shouting from the gallery and playing the victim.
That said we are in a different Ireland from when Dana ran in 2011.
The reality though is Her and her like are a threat and the momentum is building. So blocking her hides the true disquiet statistically for the moment.
Seems to be an overlap with the religious fundamentalism and far right MAGA mindset. Aontú paid huge tribute to Charlie Kirk.
She would have got torn apart in the debates with her record on different issues including same sex marriage and abortion... whatever one's opinion both were overwhelming voted in.
Whether you agree or disagree with her points of view, she would have wiped the floor with all of them in a debate
:D the Ireland you and Marie yearn for is gone Whitey. Those same sex marriage and abortion votes showed that as did Dana's effort to be President. It's 2025 not 1970.. thank God whoever your god maybe 🙏
I disagree with Maria Steen on almost everything BUT it is important that hers and other dissenting voices be heard
I actually don't believe in God, but I respect people who do and I respect their perspectives and opinions
Sorry doesn't do to be presumptuous had you down for the whole right wing package.. religious fundamentalism included.
Her opinions are well known. Doesn't mean she's entitled to rack up at the last minute and get running for President.
To Rás an Árais críochnaithe go h- oifigiúil anois.
Can she do anything about the weather?
I think she will make a very strong and capable president and hopefully having someone of her integrity in office will help preserve Irish neutrality.
Comes across as a properly decent human being. I think she will be a superb President, best wishes to her in the role and to Michael D in retirement.
She is very strong on the Gaeilge which is very impressive. I wish her well.
Wish her well and she'll make a fine President. She even gave some loyalist knuckleheads a laugh by referring to the First Minister as Michele Smith. Fair play to everyone sitting around her, they kept straight faces.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 11, 2025, 03:58:39 PMComes across as a properly decent human being. I think she will be a superb President, best wishes to her in the role and to Michael D in retirement.
100%.