Group stage draw on this Wednesday at 1:30pm
1st seeds - Kerry/Clare Galway/Mayo Donegal/Armagh Louth/Meath
2nd seeds - Clare,Kerry Galway/Mayo Donegal/Armagh Louth/Meath
3rd seeds - Dublin,Tyrone,Monaghan,Roscommon
4th seeds - Derry,Down,Cork,Cavan
Are repeat fixtures from the provincial series avoided?
Quote from: clarshack on April 27, 2025, 06:25:02 PMAre repeat fixtures from the provincial series avoided?
No Dublin could be in a group with Meath should they win Leinster for example.
But provincial finalists can't meet, isn't that correct?
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2025, 06:43:45 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 27, 2025, 06:25:02 PMAre repeat fixtures from the provincial series avoided?
No Dublin could be in a group with Meath should they win Leinster for example.
and Donegal with Derry or Down and Monaghan.
Armagh could be in with Louth, Monaghan and Derry, which would reduce travelling costs.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2025, 06:12:46 PMGroup stage draw on this Wednesday at 1:30pm
1st seeds - Kerry/Clare Galway/Mayo Donegal/Armagh Louth/Meath
2nd seeds - Clare,Kerry Galway/Mayo Donegal/Armagh Louth/Meath
3rd seeds - Dublin,Tyrone,Monaghan,Roscommon
4th seeds - Derry,Down,Cork,Cavan
Who would have thought after last year's league final that Derry and Dublin would be third and fourth seeds. Should make for a couple of tasty draws, albeit both sides aren't in a great spot at the moment.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 06:53:16 PMBut provincial finalists can't meet, isn't that correct?
That's correct.
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Presumably Louth will nominate Inniskeen.
Wonder will Dublin use Parnell Park?
Kerry Galway/Mayo Dublin Derry would be tasty group.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 27, 2025, 07:10:00 PMPresumably Louth will nominate Inniskeen.
Wonder will Dublin use Parnell Park?
Louth could end up in a group with Monaghan or Dublin, which would lead to a bit of a Corrigan park situation, especially if Louth support picks up for the game with Meath.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 27, 2025, 07:47:20 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 27, 2025, 07:10:00 PMPresumably Louth will nominate Inniskeen.
Wonder will Dublin use Parnell Park?
Louth could end up in a group with Monaghan or Dublin, which would lead to a bit of a Corrigan park situation, especially if Louth support picks up for the game with Meath.
Hopefully the supporters don't take them to court
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 07:58:14 PMQuote from: armaghniac on April 27, 2025, 07:47:20 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 27, 2025, 07:10:00 PMPresumably Louth will nominate Inniskeen.
Wonder will Dublin use Parnell Park?
Louth could end up in a group with Monaghan or Dublin, which would lead to a bit of a Corrigan park situation, especially if Louth support picks up for the game with Meath.
Hopefully the supporters don't take them to court
Louth are not as thran as Antrim, otherwise the game would be in Drogheda or Ardee.
What about
Kerry
Mayo
Dublin
Derry
Quote from: armaghniac on April 27, 2025, 08:23:35 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 07:58:14 PMQuote from: armaghniac on April 27, 2025, 07:47:20 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 27, 2025, 07:10:00 PMPresumably Louth will nominate Inniskeen.
Wonder will Dublin use Parnell Park?
Louth could end up in a group with Monaghan or Dublin, which would lead to a bit of a Corrigan park situation, especially if Louth support picks up for the game with Meath.
Hopefully the supporters don't take them to court
Louth are not as thran as Antrim, otherwise the game would be in Drogheda or Ardee.
Hopefully those ones that missed out got paid out, I've a few quid here if their stuck
Least Armagh players seem to recover from the thuggery imposed onto them.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 08:48:08 PMLeast Armagh players seem to recover from the thuggery imposed onto them.
Hopefully soupy made a full recovery
Embarrassed for the lad that day
Good to see Dublin current all ireland champions on Sunday Game, maybe in 50 years when casement is built Antrim might be in the mix to replace the proper champions in the credits.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 09:59:06 PMGood to see Dublin current all ireland champions on Sunday Game, maybe in 50 years when casement is built Antrim might be in the mix to replace the proper champions in the credits.
Well as long as the players don't drop like they were shot I'll be happy enough
Paddy Burns was whacked that hard his all ireland medal near fell out of his pocket. Luckily Antrim never have that problem.
Still think there'll be a number of easy groups due to the dearth of quality teams around at the minute. Derry could yet end up in a group where they are the best team. One of Louth/Meath are supposedly a top 4 team and one of Louth/Meath and Clare are supposedly a top 8 team.
There's some seriously poor teams around at the minute. Tyrone, Mayo, Dublin, Kerry, Monaghan and Derry are all shadows of the teams they've fielded over the last 10 years. Which would be no bad thing if their was a few 2nd tier teams coming up to challenge them but Roscommon, Cavan, Down, Fermanagh, Laois, Clare, Cork and Westmeath are all standing still if not in regression.
If I were to rank the 16 teams
1. Armagh
2. Donegal
3. Kerry
4. Galway
5. Tyrone
6. Dublin
7. Mayo
8. Monaghan
9. Derry
10. Cork
11. Roscommon
12. Meath
13. Louth
14. Down
15. Cavan
16. Clare
Sam heading to Ulster again most likely
Quote from: thejuice on April 28, 2025, 01:24:56 PMIf I were to rank the 16 teams
1. Armagh
2. Donegal
3. Kerry
4. Galway
5. Tyrone
6. Dublin
7. Mayo
8. Monaghan
9. Derry
10. Cork
11. Roscommon
12. Meath
13. Louth
14. Down
15. Cavan
16. Clare
Sam heading to Ulster again most likely
None of the Ulster teams have impressed me. Kerry vs Galway in the final, rematch of 2022.
Quote from: trileacman on April 27, 2025, 10:49:59 PMStill think there'll be a number of easy groups due to the dearth of quality teams around at the minute. Derry could yet end up in a group where they are the best team. One of Louth/Meath are supposedly a top 4 team and one of Louth/Meath and Clare are supposedly a top 8 team.
There's some seriously poor teams around at the minute. Tyrone, Mayo, Dublin, Kerry, Monaghan and Derry are all shadows of the teams they've fielded over the last 10 years. Which would be no bad thing if their was a few 2nd tier teams coming up to challenge them but Roscommon, Cavan, Down, Fermanagh, Laois, Clare, Cork and Westmeath are all standing still if not in regression.
love to get a easy team like Derry as third seeds in our group.
Quote from: Cortoon on April 28, 2025, 01:33:19 PMQuote from: thejuice on April 28, 2025, 01:24:56 PMIf I were to rank the 16 teams
1. Armagh
2. Donegal
3. Kerry
4. Galway
5. Tyrone
6. Dublin
7. Mayo
8. Monaghan
9. Derry
10. Cork
11. Roscommon
12. Meath
13. Louth
14. Down
15. Cavan
16. Clare
Sam heading to Ulster again most likely
None of the Ulster teams have impressed me. Kerry vs Galway in the final, rematch of 2022.
Intrigued to know who has impressed you...
Quote from: Cortoon on April 28, 2025, 01:33:19 PMQuote from: thejuice on April 28, 2025, 01:24:56 PMIf I were to rank the 16 teams
1. Armagh
2. Donegal
3. Kerry
4. Galway
5. Tyrone
6. Dublin
7. Mayo
8. Monaghan
9. Derry
10. Cork
11. Roscommon
12. Meath
13. Louth
14. Down
15. Cavan
16. Clare
Sam heading to Ulster again most likely
None of the Ulster teams have impressed me. Kerry vs Galway in the final, rematch of 2022.
Kerry was less impressive with how they overcame Cork than Donegal,Armagh in recent Ulster matches.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on April 28, 2025, 02:17:44 PMQuote from: trileacman on April 27, 2025, 10:49:59 PMStill think there'll be a number of easy groups due to the dearth of quality teams around at the minute. Derry could yet end up in a group where they are the best team. One of Louth/Meath are supposedly a top 4 team and one of Louth/Meath and Clare are supposedly a top 8 team.
There's some seriously poor teams around at the minute. Tyrone, Mayo, Dublin, Kerry, Monaghan and Derry are all shadows of the teams they've fielded over the last 10 years. Which would be no bad thing if their was a few 2nd tier teams coming up to challenge them but Roscommon, Cavan, Down, Fermanagh, Laois, Clare, Cork and Westmeath are all standing still if not in regression.
love to get a easy team like Derry as third seeds in our group.
If you get Derry, it will be as a 4th seed after you relegated Dublin to 3rd seeds yesterday (congrats). Your easy 3rd seed might be Dublin again.
Quote from: weareros on April 28, 2025, 04:16:52 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on April 28, 2025, 02:17:44 PMQuote from: trileacman on April 27, 2025, 10:49:59 PMStill think there'll be a number of easy groups due to the dearth of quality teams around at the minute. Derry could yet end up in a group where they are the best team. One of Louth/Meath are supposedly a top 4 team and one of Louth/Meath and Clare are supposedly a top 8 team.
There's some seriously poor teams around at the minute. Tyrone, Mayo, Dublin, Kerry, Monaghan and Derry are all shadows of the teams they've fielded over the last 10 years. Which would be no bad thing if their was a few 2nd tier teams coming up to challenge them but Roscommon, Cavan, Down, Fermanagh, Laois, Clare, Cork and Westmeath are all standing still if not in regression.
love to get a easy team like Derry as third seeds in our group.
If you get Derry, it will be as a 4th seed after you relegated Dublin to 3rd seeds yesterday (congrats). Your easy 3rd seed might be Dublin again.
. You right. Don't think we will get dubs again. But if we do let's hope it's in Navan great to get another victory and at home too
When is the draw made for the groups?
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 28, 2025, 04:37:24 PMWhen is the draw made for the groups?
Wednesday apparently. I'm assuming there are no repeat pairing restrictions?
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 28, 2025, 04:40:10 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 28, 2025, 04:37:24 PMWhen is the draw made for the groups?
Wednesday apparently. I'm assuming there are no repeat pairing restrictions?
Dont think so. Off the top of my head Derry beat Monaghan well in Ulster then drew in the groups a few years ago.
Should leave the draw until after the provincial finals imo.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 28, 2025, 04:37:24 PMWhen is the draw made for the groups?
First post on this thread.
Giving some teams 3 days notice of who they'll be playing!?
Quote from: Rossfan on April 28, 2025, 06:54:48 PMGiving some teams 3 days notice of who they'll be playing!?
What do you mean, there are no group games until after the provincial final?
Quote from: armaghniac on April 28, 2025, 07:14:03 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 28, 2025, 06:54:48 PMGiving some teams 3 days notice of who they'll be playing!?
What do you mean, there are no group games until after the provincial final?
Was replying to a comment about doing the draws AFTER the Provincial Finals.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 28, 2025, 08:54:41 PMQuote from: armaghniac on April 28, 2025, 07:14:03 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 28, 2025, 06:54:48 PMGiving some teams 3 days notice of who they'll be playing!?
What do you mean, there are no group games until after the provincial final?
Was replying to a comment about doing the draws AFTER the Provincial Finals.
Is there not a 2 week gap after provincials? Just remember a good bit of build up to the finals being taken over by talk of potential groups of death. Anyway there should be 2 or hopefully 3 cracking finals this year.
Armagh 10/1 to retain it. Decent odds.
Quote from: ONeill on April 28, 2025, 09:47:01 PMArmagh 10/1 to retain it. Decent odds.
It'll take a damn good team to beat us, but not sure if we have enough to win the big one with the quality we're missing.
Those Armagh odds shows how open a championship would be most seasons if we can keep the Dublin juggernaut under control.
Still can't rule out Tyrone, Mayo or even Meath, even those daft bastards in Cork if they ever got focused. Those teams just need a few of the firmer favourites to wipe each other and out and they'll start to believe.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 28, 2025, 09:57:59 PMThose Armagh odds shows how open a championship would be most seasons if we can keep the Dublin juggernaut under control.
Still can't rule out Tyrone, Mayo or even Meath, even those daft bastards in Cork if they ever got focused. Those teams just need a few of the firmer favourites to wipe each other and out and they'll start to believe.
Tyrone could do it, you just never know with those huers. Mayo will never win it at this stage.
Meath are definitely going the right way but lets see how they back up that performance before we start talking about them as contenders. Cork have a lot of the tools but I'd say they'd need a McGuinness type figure to come in.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 28, 2025, 10:02:12 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 28, 2025, 09:57:59 PMThose Armagh odds shows how open a championship would be most seasons if we can keep the Dublin juggernaut under control.
Still can't rule out Tyrone, Mayo or even Meath, even those daft bastards in Cork if they ever got focused. Those teams just need a few of the firmer favourites to wipe each other and out and they'll start to believe.
Tyrone could do it, you just never know with those huers. Mayo will never win it at this stage.
Meath are definitely going the right way but lets see how they back up that performance before we start talking about them as contenders. Cork have a lot of the tools but I'd say they'd need a McGuinness type figure to come in.
Still think Tyrone will have a good year, semi final spot wouldn't surprise me
Meath semis would be a great year. It will take another couple of years before we get the ultimate prize
Meath and Louth be very interesting. I could be wrong but doubt it's a given Meath will win that. I don't think Louth are as good as other years but you wonder could they win Leinster - I have a sneaky feeling they might. If they did it might take Meath a bit to recover (and themselves).
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 28, 2025, 10:02:12 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 28, 2025, 09:57:59 PMThose Armagh odds shows how open a championship would be most seasons if we can keep the Dublin juggernaut under control.
Still can't rule out Tyrone, Mayo or even Meath, even those daft bastards in Cork if they ever got focused. Those teams just need a few of the firmer favourites to wipe each other and out and they'll start to believe.
Tyrone could do it, you just never know with those huers. Mayo will never win it at this stage.
Meath are definitely going the right way but lets see how they back up that performance before we start talking about them as contenders. Cork have a lot of the tools but I'd say they'd need a McGuinness type figure to come in.
We played Cork in Cork last game of the league last year and stole a draw.
They absolutely cut us apart several times and looked dangerous every time they attacked. Frightening pace everywhere but conceded a goal to Rory Grugan that an under 12 team would have been disappointed to concede.
On their day could beat anyone but also could lose to anyone.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 28, 2025, 10:02:12 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 28, 2025, 09:57:59 PMThose Armagh odds shows how open a championship would be most seasons if we can keep the Dublin juggernaut under control.
Still can't rule out Tyrone, Mayo or even Meath, even those daft bastards in Cork if they ever got focused. Those teams just need a few of the firmer favourites to wipe each other and out and they'll start to believe.
Tyrone could do it, you just never know with those huers. Mayo will never win it at this stage.
Meath are definitely going the right way but lets see how they back up that performance before we start talking about them as contenders. Cork have a lot of the tools but I'd say they'd need a McGuinness type figure to come in.
Exactly been saying this for years.
Mcguinness type figure would have Cork dining at the top table if not winning all Irelands.
They've no end of raw talent.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 29, 2025, 01:10:00 PMMeath and Louth be very interesting. I could be wrong but doubt it's a given Meath will win that. I don't think Louth are as good as other years but you wonder could they win Leinster - I have a sneaky feeling they might. If they did it might take Meath a bit to recover (and themselves).
all bookies have it as tight as could be. 50/50 game tbh. Don't think it would damage Meath at all. I really think Meath will be top 4 team for in and around the next 10 years with the minor and u20 teams been very competitive. That been said Louth are also a coming team should they too transfer the underage players to senior
I think Louth might drop off next year or two - not sure Brennan same level of coach as Harte.
I dunno about top four for Meath but you definitely should be knocking round division 1 and quarter finals / semi finals depending on draw. Definitely some decent underage teams. Great to see you beat the Dubs.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 29, 2025, 03:16:17 PMI think Louth might drop off next year or two - not sure Brennan same level of coach as Harte.
I dunno about top four for Meath but you definitely should be knocking round division 1 and quarter finals / semi finals depending on draw. Definitely some decent underage teams. Great to see you beat the Dubs.
Are you for real? Louth championship form has greatly improved under Brennan.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 29, 2025, 03:16:17 PMI think Louth might drop off next year or two - not sure Brennan same level of coach as Harte.
I dunno about top four for Meath but you definitely should be knocking round division 1 and quarter finals / semi finals depending on draw. Definitely some decent underage teams. Great to see you beat the Dubs.
I think we will make quarters this year. Winning Leinster would be huge. Been top seeds would be a huge help. But lot of quality in the last 16. Couldn't call any team an easy draw.
Super work blow
Group 1 - Armagh/Donegal Galway,Mayo Tyrone Cavan
Group 2 - Kerry/Clare Louth,Meath Roscommon Cork
Group 3 - Meath/Louth Clare,Kerry Monaghan Down
Group 4 - Galway,Mayo Armagh,Donegal Dublin Derry
From a Monaghan perspective, will take that
Should really have been rules about avoiding repeat fixtures beyond just the provincial finalists.
Monaghan will be rubbing their hands at that!
Group 4 will be tasty. Was sure Dubs were getting group 3, maybe its not fixed lol
Armagh potentially could have Tyrone, then Doengal and then Tyrone again.
Donegal will have had Derry, Monaghan, Down, Armagh, Tyrone, Mayo/Galway and Cavan to get to same stage as Kerry. Bit of a joke.
Kerry have Cork, Clare then Roscommon. Some difference there.
Kerry won't be well tested by the time it reaches knockout, could bite them in the arse.
Armagh/donegal would be better losing and going into group 4.
Would the draw not be better after provincial finals as now finalists can basically decide if they want to win or lose the game to get into an easier group?
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:00:45 PMArmagh/donegal would be better losing and going into group 4.
Would the draw not be better after provincial finals as now finalists can basically decide if they want to win or lose the game to get into an easier group?
There's only a week between the last provincial final and the first round of games, so it would make logistics very tight.
There's been little to no evidence of teams managing the provincial final to get into a softer group - can't see it happening in Ulster, Leinster or Connacht. Even in Munster it would be fanciful to see Kerry do it (especially with the group they would be in as winners).
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:00:45 PMArmagh/donegal would be better losing and going into group 4.
Would the draw not be better after provincial finals as now finalists can basically decide if they want to win or lose the game to get into an easier group?
That in a nutshell, an awful awful system - least Kerry got it handy.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 30, 2025, 01:53:47 PMGroup 1 - Armagh/Donegal Galway,Mayo Tyrone Cavan
Group 2 - Kerry/Clare Louth,Meath Roscommon Cork
Group 3 - Meath/Louth Clare,Kerry Monaghan Down
Group 4 - Galway,Mayo Armagh,Donegal Dublin Derry
Is it 1st in the group goes directly to quarters and 2&3 go to a preliminary quarter?
Quote from: Schkite on April 30, 2025, 01:55:08 PMFrom a Monaghan perspective, will take that
From a Down perspective I'm happy enough also. All teams will fancy their chances.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 30, 2025, 02:09:50 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:00:45 PMArmagh/donegal would be better losing and going into group 4.
Would the draw not be better after provincial finals as now finalists can basically decide if they want to win or lose the game to get into an easier group?
There's only a week between the last provincial final and the first round of games, so it would make logistics very tight.
There's been little to no evidence of teams managing the provincial final to get into a softer group - can't see it happening in Ulster, Leinster or Connacht. Even in Munster it would be fanciful to see Kerry do it (especially with the group they would be in as winners).
Maybe in years gone by it mightn't have benefitted but in Armagh/Donegal case there is clear benefit to losing the match.
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 30, 2025, 01:59:46 PMArmagh potentially could have Tyrone, then Doengal and then Tyrone again.
Donegal will have had Derry, Monaghan, Down, Armagh, Tyrone, Mayo/Galway and Cavan to get to same stage as Kerry. Bit of a joke.
Kerry have Cork, Clare then Roscommon. Some difference there.
Kerry won't be well tested by the time it reaches knockout, could bite them in the arse.
Every year when the draw happens it becomes clearer and clearer how the Ulster counties absolutely screwed themselves by not voting to break the link between the provincials and the All-Ireland Series.
The thing was the Ulster counties are always going to have a harder route to the All-Ireland until that link is broken. The provincial councils are likely going to do all in their not insignifcant power to keep that link at all costs for the forseeable future. Looking back it's actually a bit amazing that the option to break the link was even put to a vote.
Quote from: clonian on April 30, 2025, 02:13:34 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 30, 2025, 01:53:47 PMGroup 1 - Armagh/Donegal Galway,Mayo Tyrone Cavan
Group 2 - Kerry/Clare Louth,Meath Roscommon Cork
Group 3 - Meath/Louth Clare,Kerry Monaghan Down
Group 4 - Galway,Mayo Armagh,Donegal Dublin Derry
Is it 1st in the group goes directly to quarters and 2&3 go to a preliminary quarter?
Yes
Every time seems to be the hardest possible group for Armagh.
That draw is a great opportunity for Cavan to get their arses handed to them three times and finally concentrate some minds in the county about going back to basics and building from the bottom up at underage. A possible win or two against weaker teams would only be papering over the cracks for another year or two. Rock bottom might actually prove a blessing!
Quote from: clonian on April 30, 2025, 02:13:34 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 30, 2025, 01:53:47 PMGroup 1 - Armagh/Donegal Galway,Mayo Tyrone Cavan
Group 2 - Kerry/Clare Louth,Meath Roscommon Cork
Group 3 - Meath/Louth Clare,Kerry Monaghan Down
Group 4 - Galway,Mayo Armagh,Donegal Dublin Derry
Is it 1st in the group goes directly to quarters and 2&3 go to a preliminary quarter?
Yup - that's it.
Don't think armagh should be complaining about draws considering they seem to be getting handy ulster draws every year.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:00:45 PMArmagh/donegal would be better losing and going into group 4.
Would the draw not be better after provincial finals as now finalists can basically decide if they want to win or lose the game to get into an easier group?
That's arrant nonsense, how could it be better going into a group as provincial losers to take on Connacht provincial winners, Dublin and Derry than playing as Ulster winners against Connacht losers, Tyrone and Cavan .
Kerry c***ts are haunted
Quote from: Keyser soze on April 30, 2025, 02:25:32 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:00:45 PMArmagh/donegal would be better losing and going into group 4.
Would the draw not be better after provincial finals as now finalists can basically decide if they want to win or lose the game to get into an easier group?
That's arrant nonsense, how could it be better going into a group as provincial losers to take on Connacht provincial winners, Dublin and Derry than playing as Ulster winners against Connacht losers, Tyrone and Cavan .
Just my opinion but with the way Dublin and Derry are I would far rather have games against them than the other option.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:17:14 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on April 30, 2025, 02:09:50 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:00:45 PMArmagh/donegal would be better losing and going into group 4.
Would the draw not be better after provincial finals as now finalists can basically decide if they want to win or lose the game to get into an easier group?
There's only a week between the last provincial final and the first round of games, so it would make logistics very tight.
There's been little to no evidence of teams managing the provincial final to get into a softer group - can't see it happening in Ulster, Leinster or Connacht. Even in Munster it would be fanciful to see Kerry do it (especially with the group they would be in as winners).
Maybe in years gone by it mightn't have benefitted but in Armagh/Donegal case there is clear benefit to losing the match.
How is there a clear benefit to being in group 4 by losing Ulster?
It's by far the toughest group?
And how do Kerry keep getting these soft draws
Kerry going to be coming into the knockout stages seriously undercooked though with the soft draw. Definitely think that hindered them when it came to the Armagh game last year.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 30, 2025, 02:31:59 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:17:14 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on April 30, 2025, 02:09:50 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:00:45 PMArmagh/donegal would be better losing and going into group 4.
Would the draw not be better after provincial finals as now finalists can basically decide if they want to win or lose the game to get into an easier group?
At the minute I would have said meeting Dublin or Derry isnt the toughest.
There's only a week between the last provincial final and the first round of games, so it would make logistics very tight.
There's been little to no evidence of teams managing the provincial final to get into a softer group - can't see it happening in Ulster, Leinster or Connacht. Even in Munster it would be fanciful to see Kerry do it (especially with the group they would be in as winners).
Maybe in years gone by it mightn't have benefitted but in Armagh/Donegal case there is clear benefit to losing the match.
How is there a clear benefit to being in group 4 by losing Ulster?
It's by far the toughest group?
And how do Kerry keep getting these soft draws
At the minute I would have said meeting Dublin and Derry wouldnt be the toughest based on recent performances. Therefore their hardest game would be against Mayo/Galway.
In group 1 they will still face either Mayo/Galway and an improving Tyrone team who ran Armagh very close. 2 more difficult games in my opinion
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:39:41 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 30, 2025, 02:31:59 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:17:14 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on April 30, 2025, 02:09:50 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:00:45 PMArmagh/donegal would be better losing and going into group 4.
Would the draw not be better after provincial finals as now finalists can basically decide if they want to win or lose the game to get into an easier group?
At the minute I would have said meeting Dublin or Derry isnt the toughest.
There's only a week between the last provincial final and the first round of games, so it would make logistics very tight.
There's been little to no evidence of teams managing the provincial final to get into a softer group - can't see it happening in Ulster, Leinster or Connacht. Even in Munster it would be fanciful to see Kerry do it (especially with the group they would be in as winners).
Maybe in years gone by it mightn't have benefitted but in Armagh/Donegal case there is clear benefit to losing the match.
How is there a clear benefit to being in group 4 by losing Ulster?
It's by far the toughest group?
And how do Kerry keep getting these soft draws
At the minute I would have said meeting Dublin and Derry wouldnt be the toughest based on recent performances. Therefore their hardest game would be against Mayo/Galway.
In group 1 they will still face either Mayo/Galway and an improving Tyrone team who ran Armagh very close. 2 more difficult games in my opinion
Maybe so but you've a better chance of topping Group A than Group D
Plus there's a real possibility of getting knocked out of D whereas Cavan haven't a hope in A.
Dublin will be dangerous this year yet wouldn't write them off.
Unless there's a shock in Connacht then group A is the better group for me.
Quote from: Keyser soze on April 30, 2025, 02:25:32 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:00:45 PMArmagh/donegal would be better losing and going into group 4.
Would the draw not be better after provincial finals as now finalists can basically decide if they want to win or lose the game to get into an easier group?
That's arrant nonsense, how could it be better going into a group as provincial losers to take on Connacht provincial winners, Dublin and Derry than playing as Ulster winners against Connacht losers, Tyrone and Cavan .
Totally agree. Nonsensical.
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 30, 2025, 02:37:03 PMKerry going to be coming into the knockout stages seriously undercooked though with the soft draw. Definitely think that hindered them when it came to the Armagh game last year.
They have a trip to Pairc Ui Chaoimh to get through first. Bound to be a kick in Cork if they have anything about them.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:39:41 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 30, 2025, 02:31:59 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:17:14 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on April 30, 2025, 02:09:50 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:00:45 PMArmagh/donegal would be better losing and going into group 4.
Would the draw not be better after provincial finals as now finalists can basically decide if they want to win or lose the game to get into an easier group?
At the minute I would have said meeting Dublin or Derry isnt the toughest.
There's only a week between the last provincial final and the first round of games, so it would make logistics very tight.
There's been little to no evidence of teams managing the provincial final to get into a softer group - can't see it happening in Ulster, Leinster or Connacht. Even in Munster it would be fanciful to see Kerry do it (especially with the group they would be in as winners).
Maybe in years gone by it mightn't have benefitted but in Armagh/Donegal case there is clear benefit to losing the match.
How is there a clear benefit to being in group 4 by losing Ulster?
It's by far the toughest group?
And how do Kerry keep getting these soft draws
At the minute I would have said meeting Dublin and Derry wouldnt be the toughest based on recent performances. Therefore their hardest game would be against Mayo/Galway.
In group 1 they will still face either Mayo/Galway and an improving Tyrone team who ran Armagh very close. 2 more difficult games in my opinion
There is nothing easy in either group and certainly no advantage to throw an Ulster title. Both counties will want to win their final and then look ahead to the All Ireland series.
I agree Tyrone are improving but the Ulster Champions would have them at home whereas the runners up have to play Dublin in Croke Park and most likely Galway at a neutral venue.
If there was a debate I'd say Group 4 would be the more challenging.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 30, 2025, 02:19:34 PMEvery time seems to be the hardest possible group for Armagh.
They've come in as provincial losers though, including backdoor in 2022. Try being the Connacht winners and comparing to other provincial winners
Armagh also got Monaghan in an AI QF in 23. Roscommon last year wasn't bad either
Kerry's route to QF is
Cork - Div2 this year & next
Clare - Div3 this year & next
Louth or Meath - Div2 this year & next
Roscommon - Div2 this year & Div1 next year
Cork - Div2 arÃs
Compare that with the ulster finalists....
What is the sequence of fixtures? Seeds 1, provincial winners, at home first to seeds 3 I think? Then away to seeds 2 and neutral venue for seeds 4?
Edit; as below
Dates
Round 1 - 17/18 May, 24/25 May, home team first – Seed 1 v Seed 3, Seed 2 v Seed 4
Round 2 - 1/2 June, – Seed 4 v Seed 1, Seed 3 v Seed 2
Round 3 - 14/15 June, neutral venues – Seed 1 v Seed 2, Seed 3 v Seed 4
All-Ireland preliminary quarter-finals – 21/22 June.
All-Ireland quarter-finals – 28/29 June.
All-Ireland semi-finals – 12/13 July.
All-Ireland final - 27 July.
Quote from: meatsy86 on April 30, 2025, 02:46:58 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on April 30, 2025, 02:37:03 PMKerry going to be coming into the knockout stages seriously undercooked though with the soft draw. Definitely think that hindered them when it came to the Armagh game last year.
They have a trip to Pairc Ui Chaoimh to get through first. Bound to be a kick in Cork if they have anything about them.
Massive if there with Cork.
The last few years Cork have seemed to have developed a really bad habit of following up a good performance with an absolute stinker. Their inconsistency has been the only thing constant about their performances. Doubt any Cork supporter would be confident about what type of Cork will show up for that game against Kerry. You would think it would make more sense for Cork to be concentrating more on the games against Roscommon and loser of Meath/Louth.
Quote from: Gael80 on April 30, 2025, 02:51:18 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:39:41 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 30, 2025, 02:31:59 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:17:14 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on April 30, 2025, 02:09:50 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:00:45 PMArmagh/donegal would be better losing and going into group 4.
Would the draw not be better after provincial finals as now finalists can basically decide if they want to win or lose the game to get into an easier group?
At the minute I would have said meeting Dublin or Derry isnt the toughest.
There's only a week between the last provincial final and the first round of games, so it would make logistics very tight.
There's been little to no evidence of teams managing the provincial final to get into a softer group - can't see it happening in Ulster, Leinster or Connacht. Even in Munster it would be fanciful to see Kerry do it (especially with the group they would be in as winners).
Maybe in years gone by it mightn't have benefitted but in Armagh/Donegal case there is clear benefit to losing the match.
How is there a clear benefit to being in group 4 by losing Ulster?
It's by far the toughest group?
And how do Kerry keep getting these soft draws
At the minute I would have said meeting Dublin and Derry wouldnt be the toughest based on recent performances. Therefore their hardest game would be against Mayo/Galway.
In group 1 they will still face either Mayo/Galway and an improving Tyrone team who ran Armagh very close. 2 more difficult games in my opinion
There is nothing easy in either group and certainly no advantage to throw an Ulster title. Both counties will want to win their final and then look ahead to the All Ireland series.
I agree Tyrone are improving but the Ulster Champions would have them at home whereas the runners up have to play Dublin in Croke Park and most likely Galway at a neutral venue.
If there was a debate I'd say Group 4 would be the more challenging.
Group 4, without a doubt.
One should look at the strength of the 4th seeded team when judging what group is best for a provincial finalist.
Ulster winner has Cavan
Ulster runner up has Derry
Connacht winner has Derry
Connacht runner up has Cavan
There be some argument where a neutral venue is for Dublin v Derry. Played them in Clones yrs ago. Dublin out of Croke Park are not that great.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:17:14 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on April 30, 2025, 02:09:50 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:00:45 PMArmagh/donegal would be better losing and going into group 4.
Would the draw not be better after provincial finals as now finalists can basically decide if they want to win or lose the game to get into an easier group?
There's only a week between the last provincial final and the first round of games, so it would make logistics very tight.
There's been little to no evidence of teams managing the provincial final to get into a softer group - can't see it happening in Ulster, Leinster or Connacht. Even in Munster it would be fanciful to see Kerry do it (especially with the group they would be in as winners).
Maybe in years gone by it mightn't have benefitted but in Armagh/Donegal case there is clear benefit to losing the match.
You sure? Winner gets likely Mayo, Tyrone and Cavan, loser gets likely Galway, Dublin, Derry. Both tough groups.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:30:34 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on April 30, 2025, 02:25:32 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 30, 2025, 02:00:45 PMArmagh/donegal would be better losing and going into group 4.
Would the draw not be better after provincial finals as now finalists can basically decide if they want to win or lose the game to get into an easier group?
That's arrant nonsense, how could it be better going into a group as provincial losers to take on Connacht provincial winners, Dublin and Derry than playing as Ulster winners against Connacht losers, Tyrone and Cavan .
Just my opinion but with the way Dublin and Derry are I would far rather have games against them than the other option.
I'd say Derry will have a sting in the tail yet. Dublin have men to come back and a point to prove. Neither easy games .
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 30, 2025, 03:22:41 PMThere be some argument where a neutral venue is for Dublin v Derry. Played them in Clones yrs ago. Dublin out of Croke Park are not that great.
Both Kilamacud Crokes vs Glen and Slaughtneil vs St Vincent's in all Ireland club semis were played in Newry so good chance its there
Quote from: 5times5times on April 30, 2025, 02:57:48 PMKerry's route to QF is
Cork - Div2 this year & next
Clare - Div3 this year & next
Louth or Meath - Div2 this year & next
Roscommon - Div2 this year & Div1 next year
Cork - Div2 arÃs
Compare that with the ulster finalists....
Quote from: 5times5times on April 30, 2025, 02:57:48 PMKerry's route to QF is
Cork - Div2 this year & next
Clare - Div3 this year & next
Louth or Meath - Div2 this year & next
Roscommon - Div2 this year & Div1 next year
Cork - Div2 arÃs
Compare that with the ulster finalists....
Very unfair that Kerry are only playing teams that did worse than them in the league.
Same with Liverpool in the Premier Lesgue, only ever played teams below them.
Zero benefit to winning your province really. Roscommon, hammered in a Connacht semi final will probably end up in the handiest group, relatively speaking, of all the Connacht sides. I know 3 teams get out anyway but it's a weird anomaly.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 30, 2025, 02:17:21 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on April 30, 2025, 01:59:46 PMArmagh potentially could have Tyrone, then Doengal and then Tyrone again.
Donegal will have had Derry, Monaghan, Down, Armagh, Tyrone, Mayo/Galway and Cavan to get to same stage as Kerry. Bit of a joke.
Kerry have Cork, Clare then Roscommon. Some difference there.
Kerry won't be well tested by the time it reaches knockout, could bite them in the arse.
Every year when the draw happens it becomes clearer and clearer how the Ulster counties absolutely screwed themselves by not voting to break the link between the provincials and the All-Ireland Series.
The thing was the Ulster counties are always going to have a harder route to the All-Ireland until that link is broken. The provincial councils are likely going to do all in their not insignifcant power to keep that link at all costs for the forseeable future. Looking back it's actually a bit amazing that the option to break the link was even put to a vote.
Imagine how much poorer attendances would be overall without Provincial. And they're pretty low at thr moment.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 30, 2025, 02:17:21 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on April 30, 2025, 01:59:46 PMArmagh potentially could have Tyrone, then Doengal and then Tyrone again.
Donegal will have had Derry, Monaghan, Down, Armagh, Tyrone, Mayo/Galway and Cavan to get to same stage as Kerry. Bit of a joke.
Kerry have Cork, Clare then Roscommon. Some difference there.
Kerry won't be well tested by the time it reaches knockout, could bite them in the arse.
Every year when the draw happens it becomes clearer and clearer how the Ulster counties absolutely screwed themselves by not voting to break the link between the provincials and the All-Ireland Series.
The thing was the Ulster counties are always going to have a harder route to the All-Ireland until that link is broken. The provincial councils are likely going to do all in their not insignifcant power to keep that link at all costs for the forseeable future. Looking back it's actually a bit amazing that the option to break the link was even put to a vote.
It would be crazy to do away with the provincial championships. After the Munster Hurling Championship, the Ulster Football Championship is the most prestigious competition outside of All Irelands.
If Louth win Leinster i think they will play Monaghan at home. Louth use inniskeen as a home venue? Which is in Monaghan.
Quote from: snoopdog on April 30, 2025, 05:34:04 PMIf Louth win Leinster i think they will play Monaghan at home. Louth use inniskeen as a home venue? Which is in Monaghan.
They can always come to Cross'.
Quote from: general_lee on April 30, 2025, 05:28:29 PMIt would be crazy to do away with the provincial championships. After the Munster Hurling Championship, the Ulster Football Championship is the most prestigious competition outside of All Irelands.
I don't think anyone has seriously suggested doing away with the provincial championships.
What was suggested and was voted on was breaking the link between the provincials championships and the All Ireland i.e the provincial championships would have no impact on the All Ireland series.
The Ulster counties pretty much all voted against this proposal even though keeping the link meant that they would always have a harder run of games to win Sam. If they'd voted for the proposal that would have based the All-Ireland seedings entirely off the league placings it would have made things far easier in terms of winning Sam. The Ulster Council somehow convinced the Ulster counties that keeping the link made the most sense for them. The fact is the Ulster Counties had the chance to make things easier for themselves and for whatever reason rejected it.
There's very little chance the provincial councils will allow this (breaking the link between the provincials and the All Ireland series) to be voted on for a long time to come.
Why are attendances low? Is it the availability of games online or the extortionate price of a ticket, or simply both?
High prices, games too close together
For a 16 team championship u ended up with 4 current Division 1 teams in the 1 group.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 30, 2025, 06:26:55 PMQuote from: general_lee on April 30, 2025, 05:28:29 PMIt would be crazy to do away with the provincial championships. After the Munster Hurling Championship, the Ulster Football Championship is the most prestigious competition outside of All Irelands.
I don't think anyone has seriously suggested doing away with the provincial championships.
What was suggested and was voted on was breaking the link between the provincials championships and the All Ireland i.e the provincial championships would have no impact on the All Ireland series.
The Ulster counties pretty much all voted against this proposal even though keeping the link meant that they would always have a harder run of games to win Sam. If they'd voted for the proposal that would have based the All-Ireland seedings entirely off the league placings it would have made things far easier in terms of winning Sam. The Ulster Council somehow convinced the Ulster counties that keeping the link made the most sense for them. The fact is the Ulster Counties had the chance to make things easier for themselves and for whatever reason rejected it.
There's very little chance the provincial councils will allow this (breaking the link between the provincials and the All Ireland series) to be voted on for a long time to come.
The obvious solution is a seeding system that takes into account the teams you beat in the provincials. So beating Clare would not improve your seeding as much as beating Tyrone. if this happened then both Ulster finalists could be first seeds as they actually beat some teams along the way.
Sure they're going back to the qualifier route next year or a version of it.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 30, 2025, 06:27:32 PMWhy are attendances low? Is it the availability of games online or the extortionate price of a ticket, or simply both?
I'd say ticket prices don't help. 30 euro for a seat in the covered stand in Clones at weekend , 20 to stand. In what are basic facilities. Also the lack of promotion. Gaa and rte promote the Munster hurling but nothing else. And the fact it's going up against the end of the PL, FA Cup semi finals, end of rugby season.
But the main problem is the gaa themselves. Greed and stupidity.
Quote from: snoopdog on April 30, 2025, 08:31:06 PMSure they're going back to the qualifier route next year or a version of it.
Yes I was wondering that. What' s the plan for next year?
Quote from: snoopdog on April 30, 2025, 08:34:37 PMQuote from: nrico2006 on April 30, 2025, 06:27:32 PMWhy are attendances low? Is it the availability of games online or the extortionate price of a ticket, or simply both?
I'd say ticket prices don't help. 30 euro for a seat in the covered stand in Clones at weekend , 20 to stand. In what are basic facilities. Also the lack of promotion. Gaa and rte promote the Munster hurling but nothing else. And the fact it's going up against the end of the PL, FA Cup semi finals, end of rugby season.
But the main problem is the gaa themselves. Greed and stupidity.
I don't think it is ticket prices. Are Donegal and Armagh fans just richer than the rest of us? Life is faster paced now than it was in the 90s there are more distractions and access to other sports. If a game is on tv will you give up your whole Sunday to watch it.
All of these group games to lose 4 teams.
Probably Cavan, Derry, Clare will be 3 of them.
There will be some good ties on the face of it and winning the group is an advantage but they aren't exactly do or die and that's what brings the crowds.
Quote from: The Trap on April 30, 2025, 10:48:22 PMAll of these group games to lose 4 teams.
Probably Cavan, Derry, Clare will be 3 of them.
There will be some good ties on the face of it and winning the group is an advantage but they aren't exactly do or die and that's what brings the crowds.
Our draw against Galway last year felt like a win in a do or die game. Left us top of the group and avoiding a tougher quarter final, who knows how we would have fared in a prelim and then against Dublin.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 30, 2025, 11:06:48 PMQuote from: The Trap on April 30, 2025, 10:48:22 PMAll of these group games to lose 4 teams.
Probably Cavan, Derry, Clare will be 3 of them.
There will be some good ties on the face of it and winning the group is an advantage but they aren't exactly do or die and that's what brings the crowds.
Our draw against Galway last year felt like a win in a do or die game. Left us top of the group and avoiding a tougher quarter final, who knows how we would have fared in a prelim and then against Dublin.
In the 2 years of this format only 2 of the 8 semi finalists have come through the prelim qf route and 1 of the 4 finalists. It's a big advantage topping the group and getting a rest. No jeopardy is nonsense.
Pointless competition this group game thingy.. provincial winners should go straight to semifinals
Everyone else fights it out for a place in the semi finals
Just extending things for no reason..
£££££££££££££££££££££££££££££ is the reason.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2025, 07:24:49 AMPointless competition this group game thingy.. provincial winners should go straight to semifinals
Everyone else fights it out for a place in the semi finals
Just extending things for no reason..
Not sure that would work for a number of reasons.
There are 4 provincial winners so there would be no more places in a semi finals to be fought for if all 4 provincial winners were fast tracked to a semi.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2025, 07:24:49 AMPointless competition this group game thingy.. provincial winners should go straight to semifinals
Everyone else fights it out for a place in the semi finals
Just extending things for no reason..
I think you mean Quarter Finals.
If Provincial winners go straight to semi-finals there's no room for anyone else.
It would also mean a very long break between provincial final and quarter final. As you would need at least two if not three matches in between if you had 8 or 12 other teams competing to play the provincial winners.
Why the f**k do they do this draw before the provincial finals.
Like some teams know they get an easier group (on paper I know) if they lose their provincial final.
Madness.
Quote from: meatsy86 on May 01, 2025, 07:42:18 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2025, 07:24:49 AMPointless competition this group game thingy.. provincial winners should go straight to semifinals
Everyone else fights it out for a place in the semi finals
Just extending things for no reason..
I think you mean Quarter Finals.
If Provincial winners go straight to semi-finals there's no room for anyone else.
Yes, sorry, quarters
We had that and weren't happy. One reason was Dublin and Kerry in effect getting automatic entry to last 8.
51% voted for a "flawed concept"
Large cohort of the 49% said they wanted change but not that change.
Then the present system was voted in by over 90%.
Jeopardy Jarlath came along and said that had to go.
The new "sigerson" system for 2026 was voted in by over 90%.
Maybe like the hurley crowd we might one day hit on an excellent system by accident.
Quote from: galwayman on May 01, 2025, 08:15:18 AMWhy the f**k do they do this draw before the provincial finals.
Like some teams know they get an easier group (on paper I know) if they lose their provincial final.
Madness.
I don't think any team in a Provincial Final over the next 2 weekends will be going out to lose it to get into an "easier group". Take Armagh for example. You have 6 maybe 7 players in the last 12-18 months of their inter-county careers and yes they have an All-Ireland medal in their back pockets but haven't a single Ulster Title between them. Can't see them boys going out to lose an Ulster Final. Same goes for Mayo and Galway, silverware is silverware at the end of the day as are local bragging rights. Its fantastical to think any county team or player would throw a Provincial Final just to play in a so-called easier group. Runners up in Connacht have to travel Tyrone, Runners Up in Ulster have to travel to Dublin. You wouldn't fancy either of them.
I've looked at the groups a dozen times since yesterday and for the life of me I can't work out why G4 is being labelled a "group of death", but not G1.
Have people not been paying attention to the recent decline of Dublin and Derry?
Quote from: galwayman on May 01, 2025, 08:15:18 AMWhy the f**k do they do this draw before the provincial finals.
Like some teams know they get an easier group (on paper I know) if they lose their provincial final.
Madness.
Yeah said the same the other day. Detracts from what should be 3 excellent finals
Quote from: thewobbler on May 01, 2025, 10:01:06 AMI've looked at the groups a dozen times since yesterday and for the life of me I can't work out why G4 is being labelled a "group of death", but not G1.
Have people not been paying attention to the recent decline of Dublin and Derry?
Cavan in G1 would be seen to be the weakest team overall though. Should Galway win on Sunday, they'd be at home to Dublin first; not an easy start against a county with whom they have an atrocious record. Away to a revenge-seeking Derry (who weren't that bad v Donegal) wouldn't be much easier, and a neutral-venue game v Donegal/Armagh, maybe needing a result to progress, would be tough as well. No gimmes in G4.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 01, 2025, 10:07:11 AMQuote from: galwayman on May 01, 2025, 08:15:18 AMWhy the f**k do they do this draw before the provincial finals.
Like some teams know they get an easier group (on paper I know) if they lose their provincial final.
Madness.
Yeah said the same the other day. Detracts from what should be 3 excellent finals
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Quote from: thewobbler on May 01, 2025, 10:01:06 AMI've looked at the groups a dozen times since yesterday and for the life of me I can't work out why G4 is being labelled a "group of death", but not G1.
Have people not been paying attention to the recent decline of Dublin and Derry?
These teams might manage a revival for a game or two and while Tyrone are likely to beat either of these, Cavan is not.
Also Dublin in Croke Park would be a different animal.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 01, 2025, 08:54:30 AMWe had that and weren't happy. One reason was Dublin and Kerry in effect getting automatic entry to last 8.
51% voted for a "flawed concept"
Large cohort of the 49% said they wanted change but not that change.
Then the present system was voted in by over 90%.
Jeopardy Jarlath came along and said that had to go.
The new "sigerson" system for 2026 was voted in by over 90%.
Maybe like the hurley crowd we might one day hit on an excellent system by accident.
In other words those in charge are throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 01, 2025, 11:17:18 AMQuote from: Rossfan on May 01, 2025, 08:54:30 AMWe had that and weren't happy. One reason was Dublin and Kerry in effect getting automatic entry to last 8.
51% voted for a "flawed concept"
Large cohort of the 49% said they wanted change but not that change.
Then the present system was voted in by over 90%.
Jeopardy Jarlath came along and said that had to go.
The new "sigerson" system for 2026 was voted in by over 90%.
Maybe like the hurley crowd we might one day hit on an excellent system by accident.
In other words those in charge are throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks.
No. Those in charge won't address the elephant in the room.
The provincial championships need to go.
Or if they don't go they need to have no bearing on the All-Ireland.
Top 16 teams from Division 1 and 2 in All-Ireland.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on May 01, 2025, 11:59:15 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 01, 2025, 11:17:18 AMQuote from: Rossfan on May 01, 2025, 08:54:30 AMWe had that and weren't happy. One reason was Dublin and Kerry in effect getting automatic entry to last 8.
51% voted for a "flawed concept"
Large cohort of the 49% said they wanted change but not that change.
Then the present system was voted in by over 90%.
Jeopardy Jarlath came along and said that had to go.
The new "sigerson" system for 2026 was voted in by over 90%.
Maybe like the hurley crowd we might one day hit on an excellent system by accident.
In other words those in charge are throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks.
No. Those in charge won't address the elephant in the room.
The provincial championships need to go.
Or if they don't go they need to have no bearing on the All-Ireland.
Top 16 teams from Division 1 and 2 in All-Ireland.
No bearing on the All-Ireland championship makes them pre-season competitions and will be no mad rush for Ulster final tickets then with some calling for that final to be played in Croke Park. Leinster final sure to be a great occasion with Dublin out.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on May 01, 2025, 11:59:15 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 01, 2025, 11:17:18 AMQuote from: Rossfan on May 01, 2025, 08:54:30 AMWe had that and weren't happy. One reason was Dublin and Kerry in effect getting automatic entry to last 8.
51% voted for a "flawed concept"
Large cohort of the 49% said they wanted change but not that change.
Then the present system was voted in by over 90%.
Jeopardy Jarlath came along and said that had to go.
The new "sigerson" system for 2026 was voted in by over 90%.
Maybe like the hurley crowd we might one day hit on an excellent system by accident.
In other words those in charge are throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks.
No. Those in charge won't address the elephant in the room.
The provincial championships need to go.
Or if they don't go they need to have no bearing on the All-Ireland.
Top 16 teams from Division 1 and 2 in All-Ireland.
Totally agree
If you could get a competitive Leinster again then all the more reason to keep the provincials.
But the current season does not work. If keeping the provincials and playing them post league they have to have more importance. Personally liked the system around covid time when provincial winners went straight to quarter finals. Runners up joined teams from division 1/2 in 2 rounds of back door games to make the quarter finals.
That would increase the value of the provincials and the leagues. Currently every competition is being devalued with a drawn out load of meaningless games.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 01, 2025, 02:10:46 PMIf you could get a competitive Leinster again then all the more reason to keep the provincials.
But the current season does not work. If keeping the provincials and playing them post league they have to have more importance. Personally liked the system around covid time when provincial winners went straight to quarter finals. Runners up joined teams from division 1/2 in 2 rounds of back door games to make the quarter finals.
That would increase the value of the provincials and the leagues. Currently every competition is being devalued with a drawn out load of meaningless games.
What about playing the provincials through the league. First round played after 3 rounds of the league. Semifinals after round 5, something like that. No need for league finals, just have all provincial finals the weekend after the league ends, 2 saturday and 2 sunday. Then 2 week break before all ireland groups.
It's worth examining anyway.
Giving too much perks to Provincial winners is only subsidising Kerry
Hopefully Cork can take some inspiration from Meath beating Dublin and their own performance against Kerry and get the finger out. It probably wouldnt take a huge pile given the talent in the county to get them to that level.
As long as Leinster continues on it's trajectory we'd have 4 competitive provinces.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 01, 2025, 03:07:13 PMHopefully Cork can take some inspiration from Meath beating Dublin and their own performance against Kerry and get the finger out. It probably wouldnt take a huge pile given the talent in the county to get them to that level.
As long as Leinster continues on it's trajectory we'd have 4 competitive provinces.
Connacht is relatively competitive down the years albeit Galway going for 4iar but it's pretty pointless with the structure the way it is , Shur there's no advantage in fact this draw has proved it's actually a disadvantage to win Connacht. Forget provincial, forget the league too imo , play one competition within the season , two groups of eight seeded draw and top two play in semi final . All other formats are flawed and lopsided , could you even play a home and away fixture in such a scenario or would that be too many games .
Group 3, the group of life, is where all 4 teams have honest hopes of advancement,
even to top the group.
Louth/Meath v Monaghan
Clare (probably) v Down
Monaghan v Clare
Down V Louth/Meath
neutral venue
Down v Monaghan
Clare v Louth/Meath
That's an interesting one. Clare not as strong as they were but you wonder would Down be better than them. It'd not look good for Laverty if Down finished bottom but is a possibility. On the flip side maybe they could beat Monaghan and Clare - pretty open that one.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 01, 2025, 11:00:01 AMQuote from: thewobbler on May 01, 2025, 10:01:06 AMI've looked at the groups a dozen times since yesterday and for the life of me I can't work out why G4 is being labelled a "group of death", but not G1.
Have people not been paying attention to the recent decline of Dublin and Derry?
These teams might manage a revival for a game or two and while Tyrone are likely to beat either of these, Cavan is not.
Have you not seen Mayo's form.
I actually think if Mayo win Connacht; there would be a real danger of them finishing bottom of that group 4.
Them winning Connacht is not that far fetched either as they've always one big performance in them.
Its a no brainer that group 4 is the tougher.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 01, 2025, 04:48:02 PMQuote from: armaghniac on May 01, 2025, 11:00:01 AMQuote from: thewobbler on May 01, 2025, 10:01:06 AMI've looked at the groups a dozen times since yesterday and for the life of me I can't work out why G4 is being labelled a "group of death", but not G1.
Have people not been paying attention to the recent decline of Dublin and Derry?
These teams might manage a revival for a game or two and while Tyrone are likely to beat either of these, Cavan is not.
Have you not seen Mayo's form.
I actually think if Mayo win Connacht; there would be a real danger of them finishing bottom of that group 4.
Them winning Connacht is not that far fetched either as they've always one big performance in them.
Its a no brainer that group 4 is the tougher.
If Mayo are good enough to beat a strong All Ireland contender in Galway they should certainly be good enough to beat a fading force in Dublin in Castlebar and out of sorts Derry. In Summary, Group 4 going in Connacht winners Mayo can top it. Group 1 off the back of losing to Galway a real danger of finishing 3rd in the group and then a tricky away knock out tie.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 01, 2025, 05:02:07 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 01, 2025, 04:48:02 PMQuote from: armaghniac on May 01, 2025, 11:00:01 AMQuote from: thewobbler on May 01, 2025, 10:01:06 AMI've looked at the groups a dozen times since yesterday and for the life of me I can't work out why G4 is being labelled a "group of death", but not G1.
Have people not been paying attention to the recent decline of Dublin and Derry?
These teams might manage a revival for a game or two and while Tyrone are likely to beat either of these, Cavan is not.
Have you not seen Mayo's form.
I actually think if Mayo win Connacht; there would be a real danger of them finishing bottom of that group 4.
Them winning Connacht is not that far fetched either as they've always one big performance in them.
Its a no brainer that group 4 is the tougher.
If Mayo are good enough to beat a strong All Ireland contender in Galway they should certainly be good enough to beat a fading force in Dublin in Castlebar and out of sorts Derry. In Summary, Group 4 going in Connacht winners Mayo can top it. Group 1 off the back of losing to Galway a real danger of finishing 3rd in the group and then a tricky away knock out tie.
Mayo don't do logic though. They drew with Dublin last year and Derry knocked them out at home the week after. So its a real possibility the above scenario could happen; unlikely though.
Galway should win on Sunday but wouldn't be surprised if Mayo bring a big performance; but it mightn't be enough to beat a strong Galway side.
Quote from: larryin89 on May 01, 2025, 03:32:24 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 01, 2025, 03:07:13 PMHopefully Cork can take some inspiration from Meath beating Dublin and their own performance against Kerry and get the finger out. It probably wouldnt take a huge pile given the talent in the county to get them to that level.
As long as Leinster continues on it's trajectory we'd have 4 competitive provinces.
Connacht is relatively competitive down the years albeit Galway going for 4iar but it's pretty pointless with the structure the way it is , Shur there's no advantage in fact this draw has proved it's actually a disadvantage to win Connacht. Forget provincial, forget the league too imo , play one competition within the season , two groups of eight seeded draw and top two play in semi final . All other formats are flawed and lopsided , could you even play a home and away fixture in such a scenario or would that be too many games .
Never thought of the single competition suggestion. Could work. Half arsed competitions are no good. Agree it all needs simplifying. I always thought play the season a bit like soccer. League starts and finishes the season. 3 division giving 9/10 league games. Play provincial champ standalone on specific weekends in between league games.It would be a bit like the League Cup. Not hugely important but nice to win it. Play Sam/Talteann/Junior cup in same way. In between league games but towards end of league season. Straight knock out.
Round 3 neutral venue games does anyone want to take a stab at the possible venues?
Down v Monaghan
Clare (more than likely) v Louth/Meath
Armagh/Donegal v Mayo/Galway
Tyrone v Cavan
Mayo/Galway v Armagh/Donegal
Dublin v Derry
Roscommon v Cork
Louth/Meath v Kerry (more the likely)
Down v Monaghan - Armagh
Clare (more than likely) v Louth/Meath - Roscommon
Armagh/Donegal v Mayo/Galway - Sligo Carrick or Cavan
Tyrone v Cavan - Enniskillen or Clones
Mayo/Galway v Armagh/Donegal - Sligo Carrick or Cavan
Dublin v Derry - Newry
Roscommon v Cork - Ennis
Louth/Meath v Kerry (more the likely) - Portlaoise
Assuming they don't put any in Croke Park as double headers
Down v Monaghan - Armagh
Clare (more than likely) v Louth/Meath - Portlaoise or Hyde
Armagh/Donegal v Mayo/Galway - For Donegal, definitely Sligo. For Armagh - Carrick or Cavan
Tyrone v Cavan - Brewster or Clones
Mayo/Galway v Armagh/Donegal - see above
Dublin v Derry - Clones or Cavan
Roscommon v Cork - Portlaoise
Louth/Meath v Kerry (more the likely) - Salthill or Tuam (I would say Portlaoise, but not sure if big enough for a double header!)
Sligo as a venue won't be picked anyway.
https://x.com/sligogaa/status/1917596575179690076
There are hurling PQFs and Tailteann QFs that weekend too.
J70 there won't be any of those in Croker.
The definite games -
Monaghan v Down Armagh the obvious venue.
Tyrone v Cavan - Enniskilken
Dublin v Derry - (Clones poss Breffni)
Ros v Cork possibly with a hurling game
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 01, 2025, 06:53:46 PMSligo as a venue won't be picked anyway.
https://x.com/sligogaa/status/1917596575179690076
"Work began this morning on the restoration of the pitch at Markievicz Park. The work is being undertaken by @PruntyPitches (https://x.com/PruntyPitches) and will be completed mid next year."
A full year just to do a pitch restoration?
Quote from: dec on May 01, 2025, 07:08:01 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 01, 2025, 06:53:46 PMSligo as a venue won't be picked anyway.
https://x.com/sligogaa/status/1917596575179690076
"Work began this morning on the restoration of the pitch at Markievicz Park. The work is being undertaken by @PruntyPitches (https://x.com/PruntyPitches) and will be completed mid next year."
A full year just to do a pitch restoration?
Depends on what they are doing, our pitch was closed for 2 years when it was re done, prunty pitch too
They put in a new pitch not too long ago but it turned into a right bog.
Down v Monaghan - Armagh
Clare (more than likely) v Louth/Meath - Tullamore
Armagh/Donegal v Mayo/Galway - Roscommon
Tyrone v Cavan - Enniskillen
Mayo/Galway v Armagh/Donegal - Roscommon
Dublin v Derry - Clones
Roscommon v Cork - Thurles with hurling match
Louth/Meath v Kerry (more the likely) - Portlaoise
Quote from: armaghniac on April 30, 2025, 07:11:35 PMThe obvious solution is a seeding system that takes into account the teams you beat in the provincials. So beating Clare would not improve your seeding as much as beating Tyrone. if this happened then both Ulster finalists could be first seeds as they actually beat some teams along the way.
Would be fairer but sadly I'd doubt it would have much chance of been approved - I can already picture various people from provincial councils making speeches about how it would be underming the provincial championships and it's very hard to get anything new approved that provincial councils don't like.
Quote from: dec on May 01, 2025, 07:08:01 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 01, 2025, 06:53:46 PMSligo as a venue won't be picked anyway.
https://x.com/sligogaa/status/1917596575179690076
"Work began this morning on the restoration of the pitch at Markievicz Park. The work is being undertaken by @PruntyPitches (https://x.com/PruntyPitches) and will be completed mid next year."
A full year just to do a pitch restoration?
It takes a pitch 12 months to bed in and roots to go deep enough into soil to start playing on it, if you go on it earlier you'll just destroy it. It will look perfect and ready to play on but it's the grass roots that you can't see that needs time and it all to knit together...
Probably just wait to after next weekend and then we'll not have to guess, everything will be clear. Tickets for Ulster final is the biggest issue at present...Big, big demand and clubs have more ticket requests than tickets available.
Quote from: illdecide on May 02, 2025, 09:51:14 AMQuote from: dec on May 01, 2025, 07:08:01 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 01, 2025, 06:53:46 PMSligo as a venue won't be picked anyway.
https://x.com/sligogaa/status/1917596575179690076
"Work began this morning on the restoration of the pitch at Markievicz Park. The work is being undertaken by @PruntyPitches (https://x.com/PruntyPitches) and will be completed mid next year."
A full year just to do a pitch restoration?
It takes a pitch 12 months to bed in and roots to go deep enough into soil to start playing on it, if you go on it earlier you'll just destroy it. It will look perfect and ready to play on but it's the grass roots that you can't see that needs time and it all to knit together...
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how do soccer stadiums do it in off season. ?
Not sure, but I have read that they generally use hybrid pitches with a mixture of real and synthetic grass fibres.
Quote from: dec on May 01, 2025, 07:08:01 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 01, 2025, 06:53:46 PMSligo as a venue won't be picked anyway.
https://x.com/sligogaa/status/1917596575179690076
"Work began this morning on the restoration of the pitch at Markievicz Park. The work is being undertaken by @PruntyPitches (https://x.com/PruntyPitches) and will be completed mid next year."
A full year just to do a pitch restoration?
I'd say you'd need a year to do it right and bed in properly.
Better give it another few months to get it sorted properly. Better in the long term I think.
Quote from: illdecide on May 02, 2025, 09:54:38 AMProbably just wait to after next weekend and then we'll not have to guess, everything will be clear. Tickets for Ulster final is the biggest issue at present...Big, big demand and clubs have more ticket requests than tickets available.
Whatever happened to the season 'season ticket situation' with Armagh fans re: Antrim game?
Quote from: marty34 on May 02, 2025, 10:49:21 AMQuote from: illdecide on May 02, 2025, 09:54:38 AMProbably just wait to after next weekend and then we'll not have to guess, everything will be clear. Tickets for Ulster final is the biggest issue at present...Big, big demand and clubs have more ticket requests than tickets available.
Whatever happened to the season 'season ticket situation' with Armagh fans re: Antrim game?
1500 tickets allocated to Armagh season ticket holders is my understanding of it, so not all season ticket holders could be sorted, was first come, first served.
Quote from: dec on May 01, 2025, 07:08:01 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 01, 2025, 06:53:46 PMSligo as a venue won't be picked anyway.
https://x.com/sligogaa/status/1917596575179690076
"Work began this morning on the restoration of the pitch at Markievicz Park. The work is being undertaken by @PruntyPitches (https://x.com/PruntyPitches) and will be completed mid next year."
A full year just to do a pitch restoration?
Strange alright, I've seen pitches relayed after concerts and they're ready for action within 3 or 4 weeks e.g. Chicago after a u2 concert
Pitches that have had grown turf sods laid which were grown off site elsewhere is played on pretty soon after laying as the grass has already established and is in deep turf sods, you can still see some movement in the sod if a player turns suddenly or a quick stop you'd see the sod move a bit so you still have to be careful but generally if it's late spring or early summer it wouldn't take the deep sod long to bed in and played on (3-4 weeks).
Seems like it was a utter mess of job and were left with "meadow grass" and the whole process of a new surface is now required in Sligo.
How much interest was there for the championship draw? The attendances are dropping every year and many are losing interest with the current format and amount of games.
If Armagh win Ulster then Tyrone would play both Cavan and Armagh twice in 5 championship games. Donegal could also possibly win 5 championship games yet not reach the quarter finals while another county could potentially lose 3 championship games but still make the quarters.
The previous format did need changes as for example Kerry only played 2 games against weaker counties to reach the semis/quarters while an Ulster team might have had to play 4 games against stronger opposition to reach the same stage. But by allowing a div 3/4 team to qualify for the championship by reaching their provisional final rather than the Tailtann has resulted in a similar situation. For example Clare can play in div 3 but by beating two div 4 teams in Waterford and Tipperary qualifies them therefore dropping another County down.
Antrim who were in div 3 would have had to beat 2 all Ireland winners in the last 4 years in Armagh and Tyrone to qualify for the championship. Clare beating Waterford and Tipperary also qualifies them as second seeds therefore higher seeded than the likes of Dublin, Tyrone and Derry etc. This will still be the case with the new format next year.
I know it's absolutely no fault of Clares and there's been great work put into their football team in recent years and will fancy their chances at promotion to div 2 but unfair on another county who will miss out as a result.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on May 03, 2025, 09:05:05 AMHow much interest was there for the championship draw? The attendances are dropping every year and many are losing interest with the current format and amount of games.
If Armagh win Ulster then Tyrone would play both Cavan and Armagh twice in 5 championship games. Donegal could also possibly win 5 championship games yet not reach the quarter finals while another county could potentially lose 3 championship games but still make the quarters.
The previous format did need changes as for example Kerry only played 2 games against weaker counties to reach the semis/quarters while an Ulster team might have had to play 4 games against stronger opposition to reach the same stage. But by allowing a div 3/4 team to qualify for the championship by reaching their provisional final rather than the Tailtann has resulted in a similar situation. For example Clare can play in div 3 but by beating two div 4 teams in Waterford and Tipperary qualifies them therefore dropping another County down.
Antrim who were in div 3 would have had to beat 2 all Ireland winners in the last 4 years in Armagh and Tyrone to qualify for the championship. Clare beating Waterford and Tipperary also qualifies them as second seeds therefore higher seeded than the likes of Dublin, Tyrone and Derry etc. This will still be the case with the new format next year.
I know it's absolutely no fault of Clares and there's been great work put into their football team in recent years and will fancy their chances at promotion to div 2 but unfair on another county who will miss out as a result.
Totally agree. I think it's a way of forcing the provincial system and getting rid of the provincial championship.
Being from Ulster I'd hate to lose the Ulster Championship, but even it is a shadow of its former self.
April games played in sometimes winter conditions, no promotion off it, played off over a month.going up against the end of soccer and rugby seasons, And over priced. It's no wonder attendances are dropping. I do not see any benefit to the early championship, County finals are all still in October.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 03, 2025, 09:15:46 AMQuote from: Easttyrone23 on May 03, 2025, 09:05:05 AMHow much interest was there for the championship draw? The attendances are dropping every year and many are losing interest with the current format and amount of games.
If Armagh win Ulster then Tyrone would play both Cavan and Armagh twice in 5 championship games. Donegal could also possibly win 5 championship games yet not reach the quarter finals while another county could potentially lose 3 championship games but still make the quarters.
The previous format did need changes as for example Kerry only played 2 games against weaker counties to reach the semis/quarters while an Ulster team might have had to play 4 games against stronger opposition to reach the same stage. But by allowing a div 3/4 team to qualify for the championship by reaching their provisional final rather than the Tailtann has resulted in a similar situation. For example Clare can play in div 3 but by beating two div 4 teams in Waterford and Tipperary qualifies them therefore dropping another County down.
Antrim who were in div 3 would have had to beat 2 all Ireland winners in the last 4 years in Armagh and Tyrone to qualify for the championship. Clare beating Waterford and Tipperary also qualifies them as second seeds therefore higher seeded than the likes of Dublin, Tyrone and Derry etc. This will still be the case with the new format next year.
I know it's absolutely no fault of Clares and there's been great work put into their football team in recent years and will fancy their chances at promotion to div 2 but unfair on another county who will miss out as a result.
Totally agree. I think it's a way of forcing the provincial system and getting rid of the provincial championship.
Being from Ulster I'd hate to lose the Ulster Championship, but even it is a shadow of its former self.
April games played in sometimes winter conditions, no promotion off it, played off over a month.going up against the end of soccer and rugby seasons, And over priced. It's no wonder attendances are dropping. I do not see any benefit to the early championship, County finals are all still in October.
Any idea when the dates and times will be confirmed for next weekend group games.
They know who is playing what are they waiting for.
Absolute wasters in croke pk.
Getting both Counties to agree, any big things on locally, Garda advice..
Aren't fixtures made by voluntary CCCC as opposed to employed staff in HQ.
That said I'd have thought they'd have been sorted out by this morning.
Anyway Kerry v Ros Saturday 17th at 2.30.
Round 1 games for the 17th/18th May
Saturday
Kerry v Roscommon - Fitzgerald Stadium 2:30pm live on GAA+
Galway v Dublin - Pearse Stadium 5pm live on GAA+
Sunday
Mayo v Cavan - MacHale Park 2:30pm
Clare v Down - Cusack Park 2pm
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 07, 2025, 01:05:35 PMRound 1 games for the 17th/18th May
Saturday
Kerry v Roscommon - Fitzgerald Stadium 2:30pm live on GAA+
Galway v Dublin - Pearse Stadium 5pm live on GAA+
Sunday
Mayo v Cavan - MacHale Park 2:30pm
Clare v Down - Cusack Park 2pm
Cheers
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 30, 2025, 01:53:47 PMGroup 1 - Donegal Mayo Tyrone Cavan
Group 2 - Kerry,Meath Roscommon Cork
Group 3 - Louth Clare Monaghan Down
Group 4 - Galway Armagh, Dublin Derry
Updated groups.
When will the remaining group game fixtures be confirmed? I see it's only this weekends so far.
Quote from: GoldCoastRossie on May 02, 2025, 09:36:25 AMArmagh v Galway - Roscommon
armagh should push for an ulster venue given it was in connaught the last two times
potlaois or mullingar also alternative venues
Quote from: p3427977 on May 13, 2025, 09:50:17 AMWhen will the remaining group game fixtures be confirmed? I see it's only this weekends so far.
They are a fecking shambles trying to sort fixtures. No real reason that all three group games for all teams can't have dates/times/venues announced. Give people a fecking chance to arrange things. And then they'll be crying about crowds. The GAA really don't help themselves when it comes to any kind of advanced planning. It seems to be a case of take it week at a time and sure it'll be grand!!!
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 13, 2025, 11:29:23 AMQuote from: p3427977 on May 13, 2025, 09:50:17 AMWhen will the remaining group game fixtures be confirmed? I see it's only this weekends so far.
They are a fecking shambles trying to sort fixtures. No real reason that all three group games for all teams can't have dates/times/venues announced. Give people a fecking chance to arrange things. And then they'll be crying about crowds. The GAA really don't help themselves when it comes to any kind of advanced planning. It seems to be a case of take it week at a time and sure it'll be grand!!!
The same thing happened last year didn't it? All this should have been sorted yesterday morning.
Quote from: p3427977 on May 13, 2025, 01:23:08 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 13, 2025, 11:29:23 AMQuote from: p3427977 on May 13, 2025, 09:50:17 AMWhen will the remaining group game fixtures be confirmed? I see it's only this weekends so far.
They are a fecking shambles trying to sort fixtures. No real reason that all three group games for all teams can't have dates/times/venues announced. Give people a fecking chance to arrange things. And then they'll be crying about crowds. The GAA really don't help themselves when it comes to any kind of advanced planning. It seems to be a case of take it week at a time and sure it'll be grand!!!
The same thing happened last year didn't it? All this should have been sorted yesterday morning.
Happens every year. It's laughable the way they organise these fixtures. The only one that should take a bit of planning is Round 3 at neutral venues, but even that isn't rocket science. They are quicker to announce concerts and American football games in Croke Park.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 13, 2025, 01:55:45 PMQuote from: p3427977 on May 13, 2025, 01:23:08 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 13, 2025, 11:29:23 AMQuote from: p3427977 on May 13, 2025, 09:50:17 AMWhen will the remaining group game fixtures be confirmed? I see it's only this weekends so far.
They are a fecking shambles trying to sort fixtures. No real reason that all three group games for all teams can't have dates/times/venues announced. Give people a fecking chance to arrange things. And then they'll be crying about crowds. The GAA really don't help themselves when it comes to any kind of advanced planning. It seems to be a case of take it week at a time and sure it'll be grand!!!
The same thing happened last year didn't it? All this should have been sorted yesterday morning.
Happens every year. It's laughable the way they organise these fixtures. The only one that should take a bit of planning is Round 3 at neutral venues, but even that isn't rocket science. They are quicker to announce concerts and American football games in Croke Park.
So true re concerts etc
It's actually shocking that supporters can't plan as they don't know when nor where gaa games are being held
yet we know an american football game is taking place on 28 September
Prediction time.
Group 1 - Donegal Mayo Tyrone Cavan
Donegal to top the group. Tyrone and Mayo fight it out for 2nd. Cavan 4th
Group 2 - Kerry,Meath Roscommon Cork
Kerry to top the group. Anyone of those other 3 teams could finish 2nd or 4th.
Group 3 - Louth Clare Monaghan Down
Monaghan to top the group. Louth 2nd. Down 3rd and Clare 4th
Group 4 - Galway Armagh, Dublin Derry
Galway and Armagh fight it out for 1st place. Dublin 3rd and Derry 4th.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 13, 2025, 02:16:02 PMPrediction time.
Group 1 - Donegal Mayo Tyrone Cavan
Donegal to top the group. Tyrone and Mayo fight it out for 2nd. Cavan 4th
Group 2 - Kerry,Meath Roscommon Cork
Kerry to top the group. Anyone of those other 3 teams could finish 2nd or 4th.
Group 3 - Louth Clare Monaghan Down
Monaghan to top the group. Louth 2nd. Down 3rd and Clare 4th
Group 4 - Galway Armagh, Dublin Derry
Galway and Armagh fight it out for 1st place. Dublin 3rd and Derry 4th.
For the last round of.games do they go for a nfl effect where all games are on same day and time.??
Quote from: snoopdog on May 13, 2025, 02:16:55 PMFor the last round of.games do they go for a nfl effect where all games are on same day and time.??
Same time for each group game is the plan however can change. For example last year Derry v Westmeath was decider to see finished 3rd and it was played Saturday evening. Armagh v Galway a decider for 1st played Sunday.
Other round 1 fixtures confirmed today apart from the venue and throw in for the Louth "home" game.
Saturday May 24
Group One
Donegal v Tyrone, MacCumhaill Park, 7pm, GAA+
Group Two
Meath v Cork, Páirc Tailteann, 3pm
Group Three
Louth v Monaghan, TBC
Group Four
Armagh v Derry, Athletic Grounds, 5pm
How come they can't confirm all fixtures. It's not rocket science.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 13, 2025, 07:18:45 PMHow come they can't confirm all fixtures. It's not rocket science.
Louth and Monaghan are fighting over venue. This game might get a crowd, owing to recent Louth success. It is home game for Louth, but they do no want to play in Iniskeen, which they have been using. Louth wanted Croke Park, but that does not seem to be runner. Newry seems likely, as Down are not playing that weekend, while the Athletic grounds and Navan have a game. They could use Crossmaglen of course, it is a bit bigger than Iniskeen and not in Monaghan.
If three teams finish level on points in the group is it the old scoring difference that decides who finishes where or is it like some other group formats "If three teams finish on the same number of points, results between those three teams, and not scoring difference, will decide the placings"
Quote from: armaghniac on May 14, 2025, 12:24:53 AMQuote from: snoopdog on May 13, 2025, 07:18:45 PMHow come they can't confirm all fixtures. It's not rocket science.
Louth and Monaghan are fighting over venue. This game might get a crowd, owing to recent Louth success. It is home game for Louth, but they do no want to play in Iniskeen, which they have been using. Louth wanted Croke Park, but that does not seem to be runner. Newry seems likely, as Down are not playing that weekend, while the Athletic grounds and Navan have a game. They could use Crossmaglen of course, it is a bit bigger than Iniskeen and not in Monaghan.
Down play Louth in Newry the following week. Surely a bad idea to allow Louth a run out in it tge week before.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 14, 2025, 09:22:27 AMQuote from: armaghniac on May 14, 2025, 12:24:53 AMQuote from: snoopdog on May 13, 2025, 07:18:45 PMHow come they can't confirm all fixtures. It's not rocket science.
Louth and Monaghan are fighting over venue. This game might get a crowd, owing to recent Louth success. It is home game for Louth, but they do no want to play in Iniskeen, which they have been using. Louth wanted Croke Park, but that does not seem to be runner. Newry seems likely, as Down are not playing that weekend, while the Athletic grounds and Navan have a game. They could use Crossmaglen of course, it is a bit bigger than Iniskeen and not in Monaghan.
Down play Louth in Newry the following week. Surely a bad idea to allow Louth a run out in it tge week before.
It seems like an excellent idea for Louth, maybe not so good for Down. So all in all an excellent idea.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 14, 2025, 12:24:53 AMQuote from: snoopdog on May 13, 2025, 07:18:45 PMHow come they can't confirm all fixtures. It's not rocket science.
Louth and Monaghan are fighting over venue. This game might get a crowd, owing to recent Louth success. It is home game for Louth, but they do no want to play in Iniskeen, which they have been using. Louth wanted Croke Park, but that does not seem to be runner. Newry seems likely, as Down are not playing that weekend, while the Athletic grounds and Navan have a game. They could use Crossmaglen of course, it is a bit bigger than Iniskeen and not in Monaghan.
Monaghan doing some fighting in all of that..
Quote from: snoopdog on May 13, 2025, 02:16:55 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 13, 2025, 02:16:02 PMPrediction time.
Group 1 - Donegal Mayo Tyrone Cavan
Donegal to top the group. Tyrone and Mayo fight it out for 2nd. Cavan 4th
Group 2 - Kerry,Meath Roscommon Cork
Kerry to top the group. Anyone of those other 3 teams could finish 2nd or 4th.
Group 3 - Louth Clare Monaghan Down
Monaghan to top the group. Louth 2nd. Down 3rd and Clare 4th
Group 4 - Galway Armagh, Dublin Derry
Galway and Armagh fight it out for 1st place. Dublin 3rd and Derry 4th.
For the last round of.games do they go for a nfl effect where all games are on same day and time.??
Group Two is interesting. No easy games for Kerry
Group Four: 2024 All Ireland Finalists and 2024 League finalists. Talk about a Group of Death!
The happiest four counties have to be in Group Three. Opportunity knocks.
Quote from: EoinW on May 14, 2025, 11:26:03 AMQuote from: snoopdog on May 13, 2025, 02:16:55 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 13, 2025, 02:16:02 PMPrediction time.
Group 1 - Donegal Mayo Tyrone Cavan
Donegal to top the group. Tyrone and Mayo fight it out for 2nd. Cavan 4th
Group 2 - Kerry,Meath Roscommon Cork
Kerry to top the group. Anyone of those other 3 teams could finish 2nd or 4th.
Group 3 - Louth Clare Monaghan Down
Monaghan to top the group. Louth 2nd. Down 3rd and Clare 4th
Group 4 - Galway Armagh, Dublin Derry
Galway and Armagh fight it out for 1st place. Dublin 3rd and Derry 4th.
For the last round of.games do they go for a nfl effect where all games are on same day and time.??
Group Two is interesting. No easy games for Kerry
Group Four: 2024 All Ireland Finalists and 2024 League finalists. Talk about a Group of Death!
The happiest four counties have to be in Group Three. Opportunity knocks.
Give your head a wobble.. To get to the AIQF, they will have played
Div2 x4
Div3 x1
Armagh will have played
Div1 x 5
Div2 x 0
Div3 x 1
Donegal will have played
Div1 x 4
Div2 x 2
Div3 x 1
I'm possibly thinking of this too simplistically but should Armagh make it to the QFs whether directly or not, are they automatically in the opposite side of the draw to Donegal, Galway & Dublin due to the avoidance of repeat group/provincial finals where possible?
I suppose the "where possible" bit is the key here because there are obviously other teams permutations to be considered as well.
Quote from: Spiderlegs on May 14, 2025, 12:23:01 PMI'm possibly thinking of this too simplistically but should Armagh make it to the QFs whether directly or not, are they automatically in the opposite side of the draw to Donegal, Galway & Dublin due to the avoidance of repeat group/provincial finals where possible?
I suppose the "where possible" bit is the key here because there are obviously other teams permutations to be considered as well.
Yeah as far as I know, should have an easier "on paper" prelim or qf draw although can still get Kerry. We dont tend to do well as favourites though.
Confirmed today.
Louth will play Monaghan in their "home game" in Newbridge on Saturday May 24th at 4.45pm, live on GAA+
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 13, 2025, 06:03:35 PMOther round 1 fixtures confirmed today apart from the venue and throw in for the Louth "home" game.
Saturday May 24
Group One
Donegal v Tyrone, MacCumhaill Park, 7pm, GAA+
Group Two
Meath v Cork, Páirc Tailteann, 3pm
Group Three
Louth v Monaghan, TBC
Group Four
Armagh v Derry, Athletic Grounds, 5pm
Strange the games this week are spread out across Saturday and Sunday, while next week all games are on Saturday with a couple overlapping. Do RTE have a game booked in for next week would have thought that Armagh Derry have TV coverage?
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 14, 2025, 02:31:23 PMConfirmed today.
Louth will play Monaghan in their "home game" in Newbridge on Saturday May 24th at 4.45pm, live on GAA+
Very sensible decision considering the low cost of fuel and tolls .
who makes these brainless decisions?
Quote from: statto on May 14, 2025, 03:32:26 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 13, 2025, 06:03:35 PMOther round 1 fixtures confirmed today apart from the venue and throw in for the Louth "home" game.
Saturday May 24
Group One
Donegal v Tyrone, MacCumhaill Park, 7pm, GAA+
Group Two
Meath v Cork, Páirc Tailteann, 3pm
Group Three
Louth v Monaghan, TBC
Group Four
Armagh v Derry, Athletic Grounds, 5pm
Strange the games this week are spread out across Saturday and Sunday, while next week all games are on Saturday with a couple overlapping. Do RTE have a game booked in for next week would have thought that Armagh Derry have TV coverage?
Round 2 is the following weekend for all the 16 teams, so i'd presume its to give the 8 teams the extra day.
Quote from: donelli on May 14, 2025, 03:43:26 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 14, 2025, 02:31:23 PMConfirmed today.
Louth will play Monaghan in their "home game" in Newbridge on Saturday May 24th at 4.45pm, live on GAA+
Very sensible decision considering the low cost of fuel and tolls .
who makes these brainless decisions?
There are games in Navan and Armagh, Down claim that there club games in Newry which is really a case of we don't want Louth getting a game there a week before we play them. Louth don't want to play Monaghan in Monaghan.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 14, 2025, 04:21:32 PMQuote from: donelli on May 14, 2025, 03:43:26 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 14, 2025, 02:31:23 PMConfirmed today.
Louth will play Monaghan in their "home game" in Newbridge on Saturday May 24th at 4.45pm, live on GAA+
Very sensible decision considering the low cost of fuel and tolls .
who makes these brainless decisions?
There are games in Navan and Armagh, Down claim that there club games in Newry which is really a case of we don't want Louth getting a game there a week before we play them. Louth don't want to play Monaghan in Monaghan.
An unusually smart move by Down GAA.
Quote from: donelli on May 14, 2025, 03:48:04 PMQuote from: statto on May 14, 2025, 03:32:26 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 13, 2025, 06:03:35 PMOther round 1 fixtures confirmed today apart from the venue and throw in for the Louth "home" game.
Saturday May 24
Group One
Donegal v Tyrone, MacCumhaill Park, 7pm, GAA+
Group Two
Meath v Cork, Páirc Tailteann, 3pm
Group Three
Louth v Monaghan, TBC
Group Four
Armagh v Derry, Athletic Grounds, 5pm
Strange the games this week are spread out across Saturday and Sunday, while next week all games are on Saturday with a couple overlapping. Do RTE have a game booked in for next week would have thought that Armagh Derry have TV coverage?
Round 2 is the following weekend for all the 16 teams, so i'd presume its to give the 8 teams the extra day.
Going by previous years they don't seem to take that into account.
Sunday that weekend is already fairly full with five senior hurling games.
So Donegal, Armagh, Louth and Meath will all play on back to back weekends and will all play teams who will have had a two week break?
I do enjoy how we continually find ways to uneven the playing field in competitions.
Similar situation last 2 years
Quote from: David McKeown on May 14, 2025, 10:56:07 PMSo Donegal, Armagh, Louth and Meath will all play on back to back weekends and will all play teams who will have had a two week break?
I do enjoy how we continually find ways to uneven the playing field in competitions.
It's poor alright. Thry could push finals out to mid August at least and give a week or two more for teams.
Does anyone actually like the earlier championship? Does it benefit anyone.? County finals are all still in October.
Still not convinced about Galway media love hyping them up.
I think the Dubs go to Salthill and win this weekend.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 15, 2025, 08:27:19 AMStill not convinced about Galway media love hyping them up.
I think the Dubs go to Salthill and win this weekend.
What's the story on Comer and Walsh?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 15, 2025, 08:27:19 AMStill not convinced about Galway media love hyping them up.
I think the Dubs go to Salthill and win this weekend.
Don't see how. Dublin were cleaned on kickouts vs Meath and Galway are a team of monsters, Dublins back line is also dodgy, yes Dublin have excellent forwards but Galway have the defenders to match them. Plus this Dublin team tend to be shite outside Croker.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2025, 09:14:02 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 15, 2025, 08:27:19 AMStill not convinced about Galway media love hyping them up.
I think the Dubs go to Salthill and win this weekend.
Don't see how. Dublin were cleaned on kickouts vs Meath and Galway are a team of monsters, Dublins back line is also dodgy, yes Dublin have excellent forwards but Galway have the defenders to match them. Plus this Dublin team tend to be shite outside Croker.
Genuinely believe Dublin won't count this year
Dessy will step down and a rebuild will commence
Quote from: naka on May 15, 2025, 09:31:56 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2025, 09:14:02 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 15, 2025, 08:27:19 AMStill not convinced about Galway media love hyping them up.
I think the Dubs go to Salthill and win this weekend.
Don't see how. Dublin were cleaned on kickouts vs Meath and Galway are a team of monsters, Dublins back line is also dodgy, yes Dublin have excellent forwards but Galway have the defenders to match them. Plus this Dublin team tend to be shite outside Croker.
Genuinely believe Dublin won't count this year
Dessy will step down and a rebuild will commence
Still wary of the f**kers in Croker!
I'd put money on Ger Brennan to be Dublin manager for 2026, if paddy power are offering odds.
Quote from: ardtole on May 15, 2025, 11:08:24 AMI'd put money on Ger Brennan to be Dublin manager for 2026, if paddy power are offering odds.
Paddy Andrews (despite his high admiration for Ger) didn't take too kindly to the suggestion on the Football Pod.
We have a manager, sez Paddy, a two-time All-Ireland winning manager.
Quote from: weareros on May 15, 2025, 11:33:58 AMQuote from: ardtole on May 15, 2025, 11:08:24 AMI'd put money on Ger Brennan to be Dublin manager for 2026, if paddy power are offering odds.
Paddy Andrews (despite his high admiration for Ger) didn't take too kindly to the suggestion on the Football Pod.
We have a manager, sez Paddy, a two-time All-Ireland winning manager.
Andrews is stuck on everything. Hard to listen too.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 15, 2025, 08:40:18 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 15, 2025, 08:27:19 AMStill not convinced about Galway media love hyping them up.
I think the Dubs go to Salthill and win this weekend.
What's the story on Comer and Walsh?
I heard Walsh will be part of the 26 but Comer is a bit off yet.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2025, 09:14:02 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 15, 2025, 08:27:19 AMStill not convinced about Galway media love hyping them up.
I think the Dubs go to Salthill and win this weekend.
Don't see how. Dublin were cleaned on kickouts vs Meath and Galway are a team of monsters, Dublins back line is also dodgy, yes Dublin have excellent forwards but Galway have the defenders to match them. Plus this Dublin team tend to be shite outside Croker.
All that is true... but there will be a kick in Dublin. They are too proud not too.
They've been lying in the long grass for a couple weeks now.
If Galway beat them fair play would genuinely like to see them win the all ireland
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 15, 2025, 12:42:21 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2025, 09:14:02 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 15, 2025, 08:27:19 AMStill not convinced about Galway media love hyping them up.
I think the Dubs go to Salthill and win this weekend.
Don't see how. Dublin were cleaned on kickouts vs Meath and Galway are a team of monsters, Dublins back line is also dodgy, yes Dublin have excellent forwards but Galway have the defenders to match them. Plus this Dublin team tend to be shite outside Croker.
All that is true... but there will be a kick in Dublin. They are too proud not too.
They've been lying in the long grass for a couple weeks now.
If Galway beat them fair play would genuinely like to see them win the all ireland
I agree that theres bound to be a kick in the Dubs, but for all those reasons I've listed I think Galway will be too strong. If it was in Croker it would maybe give Dublin a better hope.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2025, 12:52:34 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 15, 2025, 12:42:21 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2025, 09:14:02 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 15, 2025, 08:27:19 AMStill not convinced about Galway media love hyping them up.
I think the Dubs go to Salthill and win this weekend.
Don't see how. Dublin were cleaned on kickouts vs Meath and Galway are a team of monsters, Dublins back line is also dodgy, yes Dublin have excellent forwards but Galway have the defenders to match them. Plus this Dublin team tend to be shite outside Croker.
All that is true... but there will be a kick in Dublin. They are too proud not too.
They've been lying in the long grass for a couple weeks now.
If Galway beat them fair play would genuinely like to see them win the all ireland
I agree that theres bound to be a kick in the Dubs, but for all those reasons I've listed I think Galway will be too strong. If it was in Croker it would maybe give Dublin a better hope.
Well I hope you're right maybe I'm over rating the Dubs
Would be great to see Dublin facing elimination in a final round game v Derry.
Quote from: ardtole on May 15, 2025, 11:08:24 AMI'd put money on Ger Brennan to be Dublin manager for 2026, if paddy power are offering odds.
I know he'll be tempted to head back to Dublin money counts and all that however If I was Ger I would stick with Louth. Solid base of players he's working with free from the pressure and expectation the Dublin job would bring and Louth have better players coming through and should he stay on with Louth they should have the opportunity to win another Leinster title or two.
Dublin are in a deep transitional period and don't have the pool of generational talent coming through as was the case when Jim Gavin became manager.
Round 2 fixtures confirmed today.
Saturday 31st May
Tyrone v Mayo - Healy Park 7pm live on GAA+
Cork v Kerry - Pairc Ui Chaoimh 4:45pm live on GAA+
Roscommon v Meath - Hyde park time TBC
Down v Louth - Páirc Esler 5:30pm
Sunday June 1st
Cavan v Donegal- 2pm Breffini park
Derry v Galway 2pm Celtic Park live on GAA+
Monaghan v Clare 4pm Clones
Dublin v Armagh 4pm Croke Park live on RTE
Why do the Leinster & Ulster finalists get 1 week less between games?
Galway & Mayo have 2 weeks between each game.
Donegal & Armagh Donegal have only 1 week between rd1 & rd2
Quote from: 5times5times on May 15, 2025, 06:18:04 PMWhy do the Leinster & Ulster finalists get 1 week less between games?
Galway & Mayo have 2 weeks between each game.
Donegal & Armagh Donegal have only 1 week between rd1 & rd2
That's the third year in a row that's happened
Quote from: David McKeown on May 15, 2025, 06:23:04 PMQuote from: 5times5times on May 15, 2025, 06:18:04 PMWhy do the Leinster & Ulster finalists get 1 week less between games?
Galway & Mayo have 2 weeks between each game.
Donegal & Armagh Donegal have only 1 week between rd1 & rd2
That's the third year in a row that's happened
Which presumably is a function of the Ulster final being later? As it stands, two provincial finals are each weekend, but you would expect that to rotate.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2025, 06:48:09 PMQuote from: David McKeown on May 15, 2025, 06:23:04 PMQuote from: 5times5times on May 15, 2025, 06:18:04 PMWhy do the Leinster & Ulster finalists get 1 week less between games?
Galway & Mayo have 2 weeks between each game.
Donegal & Armagh Donegal have only 1 week between rd1 & rd2
That's the third year in a row that's happened
Which presumably is a function of the Ulster final being later? As it stands, two provincial finals are each weekend, but you would expect that to rotate.
The Leinster and Ulster finals were both after Connacht and Munster last year too. I am not sure if they actually rotate although they might
Connacht and Munster start their championships at quarter final stage...Ulster and Leinster have a round before quarterfinal stage. That must make a scheduling difference somehow.
Quote from: David McKeown on May 15, 2025, 08:52:55 PMQuote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2025, 06:48:09 PMQuote from: David McKeown on May 15, 2025, 06:23:04 PMQuote from: 5times5times on May 15, 2025, 06:18:04 PMWhy do the Leinster & Ulster finalists get 1 week less between games?
Galway & Mayo have 2 weeks between each game.
Donegal & Armagh Donegal have only 1 week between rd1 & rd2
That's the third year in a row that's happened
Which presumably is a function of the Ulster final being later? As it stands, two provincial finals are each weekend, but you would expect that to rotate.
The Leinster and Ulster finals were both after Connacht and Munster last year too. I am not sure if they actually rotate although they might
The Connacht and Ulster provincials start the same weekend, straight after the league final. If you bring the Ulster final forward a week then teams are basically playing week on week through the Ulster "gauntlet"
The alternative is of course to scrap the provincials. But again Ulster are the province most vehemently against that. So what if the GAA to do?
Quote from: Manning18 on May 15, 2025, 09:14:29 PMQuote from: David McKeown on May 15, 2025, 08:52:55 PMQuote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2025, 06:48:09 PMQuote from: David McKeown on May 15, 2025, 06:23:04 PMQuote from: 5times5times on May 15, 2025, 06:18:04 PMWhy do the Leinster & Ulster finalists get 1 week less between games?
Galway & Mayo have 2 weeks between each game.
Donegal & Armagh Donegal have only 1 week between rd1 & rd2
That's the third year in a row that's happened
Which presumably is a function of the Ulster final being later? As it stands, two provincial finals are each weekend, but you would expect that to rotate.
The Leinster and Ulster finals were both after Connacht and Munster last year too. I am not sure if they actually rotate although they might
The Connacht and Ulster provincials start the same weekend, straight after the league final. If you bring the Ulster final forward a week then teams are basically playing week on week through the Ulster "gauntlet"
The alternative is of course to scrap the provincials. But again Ulster are the province most vehemently against that. So what if the GAA to do?
Push out the finals to mid August obviously.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GrBFMHkWoAEzW6b?format=jpg&name=small)
Shane Walsh back for Galway and named to start the main news from that above Galway team.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 15, 2025, 10:15:35 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GrBFMHkWoAEzW6b?format=jpg&name=small)
That middle 8 is serious.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2025, 09:33:57 PMQuote from: Manning18 on May 15, 2025, 09:14:29 PMQuote from: David McKeown on May 15, 2025, 08:52:55 PMQuote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2025, 06:48:09 PMQuote from: David McKeown on May 15, 2025, 06:23:04 PMQuote from: 5times5times on May 15, 2025, 06:18:04 PMWhy do the Leinster & Ulster finalists get 1 week less between games?
Galway & Mayo have 2 weeks between each game.
Donegal & Armagh Donegal have only 1 week between rd1 & rd2
That's the third year in a row that's happened
Which presumably is a function of the Ulster final being later? As it stands, two provincial finals are each weekend, but you would expect that to rotate.
The Leinster and Ulster finals were both after Connacht and Munster last year too. I am not sure if they actually rotate although they might
The Connacht and Ulster provincials start the same weekend, straight after the league final. If you bring the Ulster final forward a week then teams are basically playing week on week through the Ulster "gauntlet"
The alternative is of course to scrap the provincials. But again Ulster are the province most vehemently against that. So what if the GAA to do?
Push out the finals to mid August obviously.
That's does strike me as a very obvious reply or scrap the league final?
Quote from: Armagh18
/quote] Push out the finals to mid August obviously.
It'd work out nicely in that scenario and I definitely agree they should push the final back two weeks
It's a separate issue in this case though
Galway Full back a def weak spot to me.
Other named teams for Saturday matches
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GrAwsgDXQAECAnL?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GrBCzkVXgAAvlWP?format=jpg&name=medium)
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2025, 10:26:29 PMGalway Full back a def weak spot to me.
Whats the story with Fitzpatrick, he not usually a starter?
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 15, 2025, 10:30:22 PMOther named teams for Saturday matches
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GrBKL0FXEAAG8ta?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GrAwsgDXQAECAnL?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GrBCzkVXgAAvlWP?format=jpg&name=medium)
Paudie Clifford ?
Quote from: David McKeown on May 15, 2025, 10:23:05 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2025, 09:33:57 PMQuote from: Manning18 on May 15, 2025, 09:14:29 PMQuote from: David McKeown on May 15, 2025, 08:52:55 PMQuote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2025, 06:48:09 PMQuote from: David McKeown on May 15, 2025, 06:23:04 PMQuote from: 5times5times on May 15, 2025, 06:18:04 PMWhy do the Leinster & Ulster finalists get 1 week less between games?
Galway & Mayo have 2 weeks between each game.
Donegal & Armagh Donegal have only 1 week between rd1 & rd2
That's the third year in a row that's happened
Which presumably is a function of the Ulster final being later? As it stands, two provincial finals are each weekend, but you would expect that to rotate.
The Leinster and Ulster finals were both after Connacht and Munster last year too. I am not sure if they actually rotate although they might
The Connacht and Ulster provincials start the same weekend, straight after the league final. If you bring the Ulster final forward a week then teams are basically playing week on week through the Ulster "gauntlet"
The alternative is of course to scrap the provincials. But again Ulster are the province most vehemently against that. So what if the GAA to do?
Push out the finals to mid August obviously.
That's does strike me as a very obvious reply or scrap the league final?
The Div 1 final only? I quite enjoyed the competitiveness and excitement of the other 3 divisions finals. I haven't looked at the fixtures forensically but don't all provincial finalists get at least 2 weeks before their first round game and thereafter all group teams get treated equally?
Thought Bugler would be back for the Dubs this week?
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2025, 10:20:13 PMQuote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 15, 2025, 10:15:35 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GrBFMHkWoAEzW6b?format=jpg&name=small)
That middle 8 is serious.
Full forward not bad either.
Going to be a full house in Salthill for this game I'm hearing. Hurlers are on beforehand.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 15, 2025, 08:15:53 AMQuote from: David McKeown on May 14, 2025, 10:56:07 PMSo Donegal, Armagh, Louth and Meath will all play on back to back weekends and will all play teams who will have had a two week break?
I do enjoy how we continually find ways to uneven the playing field in competitions.
It's poor alright. Thry could push finals out to mid August at least and give a week or two more for teams.
Does anyone actually like the earlier championship? Does it benefit anyone.? County finals are all still in October.
And provincial club championship are still in November/December. Even moving the Al Ireland final out to the 1st or 2nd weekend of August would give some breathing room. Those at the top are more focused in leaving Croke Park totally free for concerts in August.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 15, 2025, 10:15:35 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GrBFMHkWoAEzW6b?format=jpg&name=small)
I'd have Fitzgerald or Hernon before Mulkerrins TBH but still a very strong looking team. Good to see Walsh back.
Quote from: Main Street on May 15, 2025, 10:58:58 PMQuote from: David McKeown on May 15, 2025, 10:23:05 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2025, 09:33:57 PMQuote from: Manning18 on May 15, 2025, 09:14:29 PMQuote from: David McKeown on May 15, 2025, 08:52:55 PMQuote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2025, 06:48:09 PMQuote from: David McKeown on May 15, 2025, 06:23:04 PMQuote from: 5times5times on May 15, 2025, 06:18:04 PMWhy do the Leinster & Ulster finalists get 1 week less between games?
Galway & Mayo have 2 weeks between each game.
Donegal & Armagh Donegal have only 1 week between rd1 & rd2
That's the third year in a row that's happened
Which presumably is a function of the Ulster final being later? As it stands, two provincial finals are each weekend, but you would expect that to rotate.
The Leinster and Ulster finals were both after Connacht and Munster last year too. I am not sure if they actually rotate although they might
The Connacht and Ulster provincials start the same weekend, straight after the league final. If you bring the Ulster final forward a week then teams are basically playing week on week through the Ulster "gauntlet"
The alternative is of course to scrap the provincials. But again Ulster are the province most vehemently against that. So what if the GAA to do?
Push out the finals to mid August obviously.
That's does strike me as a very obvious reply or scrap the league final?
The Div 1 final only? I quite enjoyed the competitiveness and excitement of the other 3 divisions finals. I haven't looked at the fixtures forensically but don't all provincial finalists get at least 2 weeks before their first round game and thereafter all group teams get treated equally?
The Leinster and Ulster finalists play the group games over 3 weeks the other teams play them over 4. So the Ulster and Leinster finalists all play their second group or their away matches against teams with an extra weeks rest.
Kerry with a flattering 5 point lead at half time against Roscommon. Three two pointers for Kerry (all from frees) and none for the rossies.
Flattering lead for Kerry indeed, it was 0-5 each after 25 minutes. A lot of the debatable calls are going Kerry's way
Kerry look like such a different team when Paudie isn't playing. The amount of things he does to get this Kerry team to look like All Ireland contenders is incredible
Steps obviously don't count in the kingdom!
Kerry looked so flat for 45 minutes but Roscommon threw away the opportunity. They should never have been six behind at half, however they faded the final 10 minutes. Also lack of discipline gifted Kerry three 2-pointers.
So much for using the wind 2nd half. I guess Roscommon are never as good as we hope they might be.
Excellent observation about Paudie Clifford.
3 Kerry goals killed off that contest Roscommon defending poor for all of them.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 17, 2025, 04:14:13 PM3 Kerry goals killed off that contest Roscommon defending poor for all of them.
Cork and Meath will both be thinking there's goals to be got there.
Rossie performancce was very similar to their performance against Galway I thought - they never really looked getting a result in either game and neither side had to get out of 3rd gear to get the win. i'll be surprised if Burke survives the winter.
Learned nothing new about Kerry.
Just the 5 changes to the Dublin starting 15
QuoteBugler, Costello, Alex Gavin, Sean MacMahon and Killian McGinnis all start in place of Conor Tyrrell, Cian Murphy, Tom Lahiff, Niall Scully and John Small.
One change for Galway
Cian Hernon comes in for Jack Glynn.
Real gift of a goal for Dublin 1-5 to 0-6 they are leading in Salthill
Dublin were out of the traps faster but Galway have settled into the game and are 3 points up.
Bad mistake from Silke to turnover and a terrible goal to give away to go a point up and then follow it up with a quick point to go 2 points up.
Galway look very ponderous going forward, might as well be playing to last year's rules.
Dubs have their homework done and looking good into the wind as well.
Nicely worked by the Dubs at the end there.
Half time Galway 0-8 Dublin 1-9. Strangely flat game played in front of a fairly muted crowd.
Said after the Armagh injury time fiasco by Gleeson in 2022 that is Galway don't find a keeper from somewhere they'll win no All Ireland.
It's Derry I feel sorry for.. won't live with that group.. Armagh, Dublin, Galway..
The wind is always a thing at Salthill, Galway are very flat and are in a bit of trouble here.
Goal really changed the game; Galway were looking confident till then
Galway still win this. Dublin will run out of steam. No bench.
Galway to justify tag of AI winners.
Goal for Galway at the start of the 2nd half. And follow it up with a point. 1-9 each now. Galway lead now a flying start.
Gae over.Galway in control.
Still hard to beat the big hoor in MF and the bear in the square
I'm sorry but how was that tap an go allowed by Byrne. He was about 15 yards away from the foul
That rule is pure bs lol. Didn't even take the tap and go from where the free was and Galway man forced to give Dublin a counter attack.
50 minutes played Galway 1-10 Dublin 1-13. 1-16 to 1-12 to the Dubs now with 15 mins left
Quote from: Gael85 on May 17, 2025, 06:00:47 PMGae over.Galway in control.
My stream must be fierce slow, I've 16 mins to go.
Did Galway get complacent? They're a much better team than that..
Lucky Galway goal back to a one score game. 1-16 to 2-12
... right on cue.. Galway goal!
Horror goal there
Lifeline for Galway.
Galway have it now. Dublin gassed.
5 mins left level game in Pearse Stadium. Dublin one point in front with 3 mins left. Galway level it with 55 seconds left.
FT Galway 2-14 Dublin 1-18 Winner after the hooter.
Galway in right bother now.
Dublin haven't gone away.
Huge win for the Dubs.. rule changes vindicated again. Epic. Is football the new hurling?
Group wide open. Massive game at home for us next week and then a tough turn around to go to Croker.
If Dublin beat Armagh in Croke park, is it head to head to top the group? If so they mightnt go full team in the last game. Give us half a chance. Think Dublin were seen as beating only Derry in the group. Now odds on to top it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 17, 2025, 06:44:28 PMGroup wide open. Massive game at home for us next week and then a tough turn around to go to Croker.
Can't see Derry win any game in that group. At worst yous will be in 2nd/3rd place play-off.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 17, 2025, 06:43:44 PMHuge win for the Dubs.. rule changes vindicated again. Epic. Is football the new hurling?
so there was never any good games before the rule changes?
Dublins demise has been greatly exaggerated, they haven't gone away, big win.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2025, 06:46:08 PMIf Dublin beat Armagh in Croke park, is it head to head to top the group? If so they mightnt go full team in the last game. Give us half a chance. Think Dublin were seen as beating only Derry in the group. Now odds on to top it.
2 teams level head to head yeah. Lot of football to be played before that!
Quote from: Sheedy on May 17, 2025, 06:47:47 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 17, 2025, 06:43:44 PMHuge win for the Dubs.. rule changes vindicated again. Epic. Is football the new hurling?
so there was never any good games before the rule changes?
Dublins demise has been greatly exaggerated, they haven't gone away, big win.
They were few and far between and club football was horrendous
Exciting game but the standard wasn't great, especially compared to last Saturday.
We were extremely poor today. Still could have stolen a draw but we wouldn't have deserved it.
Dublin are only middling so not sure what that says about us tbh
Quote from: greatpoint on May 17, 2025, 06:51:11 PMExciting game but the standard wasn't great, especially compared to last Saturday.
True dat.. expected better from Galway. Was more like standard of Louth - Meath albeit that was a exciting game and occasion.
Quote from: Gael85 on May 17, 2025, 06:00:47 PMGae over.Galway in control.
I sincerely hope you're not a doctor.
Galway pretty poor today, the Dubs had an intensity that they couldn't deal with, 2 goals kept them in it.
Before today I was thinking Derry will come out of this group, if they do, who doesn't :o only a fool would write them off. Next week is so important for Armagh, we have to play like our lives depend on it with the 2 games that follow.
In my book that was an exciting game with Dublin still the masters of creating the space for the easy point. I thought Galway rushed their last play giving Dublin plenty of time with their kick out and Cluxton just aced that pass. Galway could have held onto possession and score the equalising point after the hooter.
Galway can have no complaints about that defeat the margin flattered them as Dublin once they took the lead in the 1st half was the better team. Makes things very interesting in the group now especially if Derry can kick a in them.
Don't know how we won that, just wanted a decent performance. Played and management answered critics. Won't win an AI but we will give anyone a game.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2025, 12:52:34 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 15, 2025, 12:42:21 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2025, 09:14:02 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 15, 2025, 08:27:19 AMStill not convinced about Galway media love hyping them up.
I think the Dubs go to Salthill and win this weekend.
Don't see how. Dublin were cleaned on kickouts vs Meath and Galway are a team of monsters, Dublins back line is also dodgy, yes Dublin have excellent forwards but Galway have the defenders to match them. Plus this Dublin team tend to be shite outside Croker.
All that is true... but there will be a kick in Dublin. They are too proud not too.
They've been lying in the long grass for a couple weeks now.
If Galway beat them fair play would genuinely like to see them win the all ireland
I agree that theres bound to be a kick in the Dubs, but for all those reasons I've listed I think Galway will be too strong. If it was in Croker it would maybe give Dublin a better hope.
Shows what I know, fair play to Dublin.
Quote from: Main Street on May 17, 2025, 07:14:23 PMIn my book that was an exciting game with Dublin still the masters of creating the space for the easy point. I thought Galway rushed their last play giving Dublin plenty of time with their kick out and Cluxton just aced that pass. Galway could have held onto possession and score the equalising point after the hooter.
Ah I think Tierney had to take the point there. He had space to score. Had he recycled it no guarantee they manage to work the score. Problem is they couldn't get enough pressure on the kickout and Cluxton picked out a man in midfield. Tired bodies and minds at that stage though.
Thought we were very flat today. Especially in the first half. Mentally we seemed off it until they got a bit of a rocket at half time. The Dubs could target the game from 3 weeks out. I think we would have got away with it today against most teams but the Dubs were hurt from the Meath defeat, were well up for it and came with a gameplan. That said it was a 1 point game and we basically gifted them a free goal. Few bad handling errors in defence handed them another couple of points in the second half.
We had one shot cleared off the line and Walsh should have buried his goal chance as well so we had enough chances despite the kickouts not going well at all. Young Thompson is improving at a rate of knots but it's against the likes of the Dubs where you need your Comer's on the field. Don't think we'll see him the next two games either though. When the game was in the melting pot it was Kilkenny calling the tune. Thought he was superb. While Galway's big two forwards were sitting up in the stand.
Quote from: Gael85 on May 17, 2025, 07:23:35 PMDon't know how we won that, just wanted a decent performance. Played and management answered critics. Won't win an AI but we will give anyone a game.
By scoring and creating more. Winning 9 of Galway's kickout and having more turnovers than them. Agree with your last sentence though really not a lot between the top 5 or 6 teams.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 17, 2025, 07:36:03 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2025, 12:52:34 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 15, 2025, 12:42:21 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2025, 09:14:02 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 15, 2025, 08:27:19 AMStill not convinced about Galway media love hyping them up.
I think the Dubs go to Salthill and win this weekend.
Don't see how. Dublin were cleaned on kickouts vs Meath and Galway are a team of monsters, Dublins back line is also dodgy, yes Dublin have excellent forwards but Galway have the defenders to match them. Plus this Dublin team tend to be shite outside Croker.
All that is true... but there will be a kick in Dublin. They are too proud not too.
They've been lying in the long grass for a couple weeks now.
If Galway beat them fair play would genuinely like to see them win the all ireland
I agree that theres bound to be a kick in the Dubs, but for all those reasons I've listed I think Galway will be too strong. If it was in Croker it would maybe give Dublin a better hope.
Shows what I know, fair play to Dublin.
Media were too quick to write off Dublin and too quick to blow up Galway.
Would Armagh fancy beating Dublin in croker now?
How was Gleeson allowed to pass the ball to himself from the kickout.. when did this rule change?
And what is the wording of the rule.
Well in Hindsight nobody rating Mayo and Galway just about eclipsed them.So if Mayo aren't great, maybe Galway been blew up abit (I been blowing them up myself)
The thing the keeper done, i dont understand, never seen this before. I thought if he touched it once another player then had touch it?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2025, 10:10:08 PMWell in Hindsight nobody rating Mayo and Galway just about eclipsed them.So if Mayo aren't great, may Galway been blew up abit (I been blowing them up myself)
On the same token I wouldn't write Galway off after that performance either... but they one of about 6 teams that could win the all ireland.
How do Derry feel now? Will they be able to get a win from somewhere. Be some craic if they could.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2025, 10:13:33 PMThe thing the keeper done, i dont understand, never seen this before. I thought if he touched it once another player then had touch it?
This has always been the rule, he can't lift it but can kick it as many times as he wishes
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 17, 2025, 10:06:03 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 17, 2025, 07:36:03 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2025, 12:52:34 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 15, 2025, 12:42:21 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2025, 09:14:02 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 15, 2025, 08:27:19 AMStill not convinced about Galway media love hyping them up.
I think the Dubs go to Salthill and win this weekend.
Don't see how. Dublin were cleaned on kickouts vs Meath and Galway are a team of monsters, Dublins back line is also dodgy, yes Dublin have excellent forwards but Galway have the defenders to match them. Plus this Dublin team tend to be shite outside Croker.
All that is true... but there will be a kick in Dublin. They are too proud not too.
They've been lying in the long grass for a couple weeks now.
If Galway beat them fair play would genuinely like to see them win the all ireland
I agree that theres bound to be a kick in the Dubs, but for all those reasons I've listed I think Galway will be too strong. If it was in Croker it would maybe give Dublin a better hope.
Shows what I know, fair play to Dublin.
Media were too quick to write off Dublin and too quick to blow up Galway.
Would Armagh fancy beating Dublin in croker now?
How was Gleeson allowed to pass the ball to himself from the kickout.. when did this rule change?
And what is the wording of the rule.
Yeah thats the new rule, dodgy one if a forward was clued in.
Media will probably (wrongly) blow up Dublin and write off Galway. Would give us every chance against Dublin in Croker if it was a semi or quarter final, tight turnaround after Derry though. No reason we can't beat them.
Derry be relying on Dublin beating Armagh and Dublin not needing to win the last game, i dont think we can beat Armagh at home, especially given how poor we been. If we could get a draw against Galway and the above scenario happen, we might have half a chance.
Peter Cooke kicked two bad wides for Galway. Big risk bringing him on when played very little football?
Galway handled that last Dublin kick out really poorly, the last score after the hooter was far too easy for Lahiff too, how he got into that position without a hand being put on him is criminal. Not a great day for Galway, a lot of chances not taken. I think Shane Walsh should have been held in reserve and brought on in the second half but hindsight is a great thing I suppose.
Re Gleeson's kick outs to himself, Maurice Brosnan had the rule on his X account, perfectly legal once another player doesn't touch it and he doesn't pick it up himself. Not sure that we gained anything from it.
Quote from: Duine Eile on May 18, 2025, 01:26:58 AMGalway handled that last Dublin kick out really poorly, the last score after the hooter was far too easy for Lahiff too, how he got into that position without a hand being put on him is criminal. Not a great day for Galway, a lot of chances not taken. I think Shane Walsh should have been held in reserve and brought on in the second half but hindsight is a great thing I suppose.
Re Gleeson's kick outs to himself, Maurice Brosnan had the rule on his X account, perfectly legal once another player doesn't touch it and he doesn't pick it up himself. Not sure that we gained anything from it.
Well I hope Colm Reape doesn't decide to try those kickouts because the ball would inevitably end up in the back of the net.
We got our expected bating of Kerry yesterday.
Our much maligned defence held out as long as it could against the non stop onslaught.
Meanwhile our much praised forwards were a disaster. 2 subs scored more than the starting FF line.
It was a long long tiring day and I'm getting too old for all that travel :-[
At this stage we're as likely to finish bottom as to qualify for knock outs and we can take it the Davy Burke era is at an end.
Like his 2 predecessors the best days were in year 1 of his reign.
I know Roscommon are a solid outfit but they always end with performances that are a bit meh...now me saying that as a Kildare man who would love to be where they are at. But it must frustrate their own supporters.
Even against teams that they could have a go at, they seem to be so reserved.
The other match was a cracker and Gough let them hop off each other a bit. Ciaran Kilkenny is an awesome player. Just the mix of footballing brain and physicality.
Half time in Ennis Clare 1.06 Down 2.17
Listening to midwest radio for Cavan v Mayo. Cavan goal chance saved and they reckoned it could have been called it back for a penalty. Mayo from the next attack have leveled up the game with a two pointer free.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 18, 2025, 02:53:58 PMListening to midwest radio for Cavan v Mayo. Cavan goal chance saved and they reckoned it could have been called it back for a penalty. Mayo from the next attack have leveled up the game with a two pointer free.
Any idea why this game is so low scoring?
It's an unusual thing this year.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 18, 2025, 03:06:59 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 18, 2025, 02:53:58 PMListening to midwest radio for Cavan v Mayo. Cavan goal chance saved and they reckoned it could have been called it back for a penalty. Mayo from the next attack have leveled up the game with a two pointer free.
Any idea why this game is so low scoring?
It's an unusual thing this year.
Don't know using the heat as excuse on the radio and also said the amount of mistakes is more in this match than they have seen in all games this year. Half time Mayo 0-7 Cavan 0-4.
Quote from: Nanderson on May 18, 2025, 02:47:28 PMHalf time in Ennis Clare 1.06 Down 2.17
We're better than Kerry. 8)
Goal for Cavan at the start of the 2nd half to level it up.
Quote from: Nanderson on May 18, 2025, 02:47:28 PMHalf time in Ennis Clare 1.06 Down 2.17
Full Time. Clare 1.16 Down 3.27
7 minutes to play Mayo 0-12 Cavan 1-15
Cavan by 6 now with 6 mins to go
First championship win for Cavan against Mayo since 1948. Mayo 1-14 Cavan 1-17 1-1 late on for Mayo.
Full time Mayo 1 14 Cavan 1 17
Fair dues to Cavan - Well done!
Groups 1 and 4 are wide open.
After the lame effort against Tyrone, you couldn't see this coming today even if it was always the most winnable-looking game of a tough, tough group. A big lift for the county, that, fair play and well done to all.
Can't believe Cavan beat Mayo. Were absolutely useless against Tyrone, didn't lay a hand on them. Tyrone have to beat Mayo now or this could get tricky.
Is Paddy Lynch bck?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 18, 2025, 04:28:53 PMIs Paddy Lynch bck?
He came on last 10 mins or so. Looked very leggy apparently but scored a point from play
Well done Cavan. My second favourite county!
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2025, 04:20:12 PMCan't believe Cavan beat Mayo. Were absolutely useless against Tyrone, didn't lay a hand on them. Tyrone have to beat Mayo now or this could get tricky.
It's a must win game for Tyrone
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on May 18, 2025, 04:33:09 PMWell done Cavan. My second favourite county!
they would begrudge giving you a win
Serious result for Cavan I hope they get the credit they deserve than the usual shite from the media saying how poor Mayo was.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 18, 2025, 04:40:13 PMSerious result for Cavan I hope they get the credit they deserve than the usual shite from the media saying how poor Mayo was.
Ah, i'd expect they will. Only so much can be blamed on Mayo being flat. Hopefully Cavan get momentum from this result.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 18, 2025, 04:28:53 PMIs Paddy Lynch bck?
Yes. Played around 15 minutes and got a great point from play. But more fitness and match time to come yet
Football is good. There I said it!
The Munster hurling (Glory be...) isn't living up it today but it'll be lauded.
Really surprised at the Mayo Cavan result as others have said Cavan were so poor against Tyrone. Credit must go to Galligan for getting them to hit the reset button.
Brilliant result for Down also. Expected them to win but the manner of victory was very impressive.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 18, 2025, 05:04:41 PMFootball is good. There I said it!
The Munster hurling (Glory be...) isn't living up it today but it'll be lauded.
Yes football people need to change the narrative
Cavan should have got promoted to Div 1. They outplayed us in the Hyde and then somehow lost to Cork at home (whose own league form was poor and were in danger of demotion at one stage). Very unpredictable team. I listened to the game on Midwest. 1-2 in added time put a bit of a gloss on the scoreline for Mayo. Poor weekend overall for Connacht football. Galway are still a good team, but Mayo and Ros look in trouble already. Congrats to Cavan.
Wuld you rule out Mayo/WestRoscommon going to Omagh and winning after that?
Mayo very unpredictable themselves.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 18, 2025, 05:27:09 PMWuld you rule out Mayo/WestRoscommon going to Omagh and winning after that?
Mayo very unpredictable themselves.
Glimmer of hope for Mayo yet. Have two week break to lick their wounds and listen to everything Tom Dick and Harry right them off now. Tyrone meanwhile have a tough battle with Donegal next week before facing Mayo.
Well done to Cavan today the 3 point margin didn't do their performance justice at all.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 18, 2025, 05:45:32 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 18, 2025, 05:27:09 PMWuld you rule out Mayo/WestRoscommon going to Omagh and winning after that?
Mayo very unpredictable themselves.
Glimmer of hope for Mayo yet. Have two week break to lick their wounds and listen to everything Tom Dick and Harry right them off now. Tyrone meanwhile have a tough battle with Donegal next week before facing Mayo.
Well done to Cavan today the 3 point margin didn't do their performance justice at all.
That 1-2 they scored in injury time might just have kept them in it.
They'll not go out on a whimper Mayo teams don't tend to do that without pulling some result out of the bag from somewhere.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 18, 2025, 05:04:41 PMFootball is good. There I said it!
The Munster hurling (Glory be...) isn't living up it today but it'll be lauded.
Football has been great this year... narrative it was dreadful till these rule changes. Munster hurling championship usually brilliant but not so today.
Both can be great now.. they aren't in opposition!
Just when one couldn't feel any lower along come the Rhus to the rescue.
We'll probably both finish 4th in the Groups.
Didn't see that Mayo defeat coming at all
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 18, 2025, 06:10:52 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on May 18, 2025, 05:04:41 PMFootball is good. There I said it!
The Munster hurling (Glory be...) isn't living up it today but it'll be lauded.
Football has been great this year... narrative it was dreadful till these rule changes. Munster hurling championship usually brilliant but not so today.
Both can be great now.. they aren't in opposition!
They were never in opposition though.. football just couldn't live up to their own hype. Now the changes have come in and we are getting cracking games.
Did a club minor game this morning, was best game i did all year, just up and down the pitch..no two pointers though but thoroughly enjoyed it
Quote from: befair on May 18, 2025, 08:18:41 PMDidn't see that Mayo defeat coming at all
Cavan had lots of time since the Tyrone game to work on things. Mayo dont have the players to blitz teams so Cavan always had a chance. They were probaly still deflated from connacht final. Mcstay hasnt brought them on at all in the 3 years.
Three of the teams in provincials finals lost this weekend out of 4, wonder if this will also be the situation next weekend? Louth post partying could be at risk having to play "away" in Newbridge against a hungry Monaghan, and Donegal v Tyrone is always a tossup; Armagh v Derry and Meath v Cork not gimmees either
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 18, 2025, 08:30:31 PMQuote from: befair on May 18, 2025, 08:18:41 PMDidn't see that Mayo defeat coming at all
Cavan had lots of time since the Tyrone game to work on things. Mayo dont have the players to blitz teams so Cavan always had a chance. They were probaly still deflated from connacht final. Mcstay hasnt brought them on at all in the 3 years.
Aye but that Cavan team is seriously depleted.
Alot of guys either just coming back from injury or injured.
Totally unexpected not many in Cavan seen it coming.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 18, 2025, 08:52:34 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on May 18, 2025, 08:30:31 PMQuote from: befair on May 18, 2025, 08:18:41 PMDidn't see that Mayo defeat coming at all
Cavan had lots of time since the Tyrone game to work on things. Mayo dont have the players to blitz teams so Cavan always had a chance. They were probaly still deflated from connacht final. Mcstay hasnt brought them on at all in the 3 years.
Aye but that Cavan team is seriously depleted.
Alot of guys either just coming back from injury or injured.
Totally unexpected not many in Cavan seen it coming.
Yeah, but they had players out too so probaly evened itself out. Tommy Conroy and Diarmuid O Connor from the forwards. Paddy Durcan who is probaly their best player only back from long lay off and didn't look fit.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 18, 2025, 06:55:32 PMJust when one couldn't feel any lower along come the Rhus to the rescue.
We'll probably both finish 4th in the Groups.
Could be a blessing in disguise for Mayo. This management team looks to be going nowhere.
McStay has the same old backroom faces trying to solve the same old problems.
To be fair the players are not there anymore. Every county has a lull period every now and then and this is Mayo's Lull period.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 18, 2025, 08:58:39 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 18, 2025, 08:52:34 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on May 18, 2025, 08:30:31 PMQuote from: befair on May 18, 2025, 08:18:41 PMDidn't see that Mayo defeat coming at all
Cavan had lots of time since the Tyrone game to work on things. Mayo dont have the players to blitz teams so Cavan always had a chance. They were probaly still deflated from connacht final. Mcstay hasnt brought them on at all in the 3 years.
Aye but that Cavan team is seriously depleted.
Alot of guys either just coming back from injury or injured.
Totally unexpected not many in Cavan seen it coming.
Yeah, but they had players out too so probaly evened itself out. Tommy Conroy and Diarmuid O Connor from the forwards. Paddy Durcan who is probaly their best player only back from long lay off and didn't look fit.
Conroy has barely been back since the injury a few years ago. Looked a shadow of the player he briefly was and threatened to become.
That Ulster aura the difference for Cavan today, Mayo shat them as usual
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 18, 2025, 08:58:39 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 18, 2025, 08:52:34 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on May 18, 2025, 08:30:31 PMQuote from: befair on May 18, 2025, 08:18:41 PMDidn't see that Mayo defeat coming at all
Cavan had lots of time since the Tyrone game to work on things. Mayo dont have the players to blitz teams so Cavan always had a chance. They were probaly still deflated from connacht final. Mcstay hasnt brought them on at all in the 3 years.
Aye but that Cavan team is seriously depleted.
Alot of guys either just coming back from injury or injured.
Totally unexpected not many in Cavan seen it coming.
Yeah, but they had players out too so probaly evened itself out. Tommy Conroy and Diarmuid O Connor from the forwards. Paddy Durcan who is probaly their best player only back from long lay off and didn't look fit.
That's true but they were missing them lads against Galway (diarmuid O'Connor maybe not) and should've beat them.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 18, 2025, 08:30:31 PMQuote from: befair on May 18, 2025, 08:18:41 PMDidn't see that Mayo defeat coming at all
Cavan had lots of time since the Tyrone game to work on things. Mayo dont have the players to blitz teams so Cavan always had a chance. They were probaly still deflated from connacht final. Mcstay hasnt brought them on at all in the 3 years.
Also so many back from injury, with more to come back too. Tyrone was a very depleted side. Cavan genuinely can get better than this
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 18, 2025, 10:27:06 PMCavan genuinely can get better than this
What are the odds that the quarter finalists will all be within 15 mins of the N2,except Kerry of course. Dublin, Meath, Louth, Cavan, Monaghan, Armagh, Tyrone and Donegal.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 18, 2025, 10:50:00 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on May 18, 2025, 10:27:06 PMCavan genuinely can get better than this
What are the odds that the quarter finalists will all be within 15 mins of the N2,except Kerry of course. Dublin, Meath, Louth, Cavan, Monaghan, Armagh, Tyrone and Donegal.
That's the sort of statement id expect to see from a guy 10 pints of harp deep of a Sunday afternoon 🤣
Quote from: tiempo on May 18, 2025, 09:16:06 PMThat Ulster aura the difference for Cavan today, Mayo shat them as usual
Ulster Aura hasn't been much good to Cavan up to now. Today Cavan were more hungry.
Mayo looked like a side thinking todays game would be a formality.
Their mindset was all wrong.
As I said earlier, hopefully Cavan can build on this. As for Mayo - Anything can happen.
Although I sort of expect a Derry (from last year Championship) collapse.
Very assured Cavan performance today. GK switch before game ended up having a massive bearing on the result. Excellent performance and kickouts. Let us settle into game and grow in confidence. Then we smelled blood as the game went on and emptied the tank. Makes group very interesting now. Mayo got to go for broke.
https://www.youtube.com/live/NIsv5UmReqc?si=DYDVSLHw7MbSt7X_
Full Down Clare game link for anyone interested
Listening to the GAA social this morning and McGeeney's comments after the Ulster final, I agree 100% that this is the best format of a championship that it is possible to get. This is our third year of it and there have been exciting final rounds in each year. This year there have been big shocks in the opening weekend leaving the groups wide open probably until the last game.
There is loads of jeopardy in every game as it's very difficult to get to an AI final unless you top your group. Of the 4 AI finalist only Galway last year didn't top their group but they had the eventual AI winners in their group. Galway and Mayo are under serious pressure in their final two games now.
Why are we changing it?
Quote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 09:40:34 AMListening to the GAA social this morning and McGeeney's comments after the Ulster final, I agree 100% that this is the best format of a championship that it is possible to get. This is our third year of it and there have been exciting final rounds in each year. This year there have been big shocks in the opening weekend leaving the groups wide open probably until the last game.
There is loads of jeopardy in every game as it's very difficult to get to an AI final unless you top your group. Of the 4 AI finalist only Galway last year didn't top their group but they had the eventual AI winners in their group. Galway and Mayo are under serious pressure in their final two games now.
Why are we changing it?
Its a brilliant system if you have more than 12 strong or competitive teams which we may have this year.
Other years you could nearly predict the 4 teams that would finish bottom. This year that is not the case. Maybe thats due to the lobsided nature of the groups aswell.
Quote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 09:40:34 AMListening to the GAA social this morning and McGeeney's comments after the Ulster final, I agree 100% that this is the best format of a championship that it is possible to get. This is our third year of it and there have been exciting final rounds in each year. This year there have been big shocks in the opening weekend leaving the groups wide open probably until the last game.
There is loads of jeopardy in every game as it's very difficult to get to an AI final unless you top your group. Of the 4 AI finalist only Galway last year didn't top their group but they had the eventual AI winners in their group. Galway and Mayo are under serious pressure in their final two games now.
Why are we changing it?
I think they are changing it to open up the calendar a bit with one less game but I agree, it's complete madness to change it.
Numpties were saying there was little jeopardy in the games but there was!!
You had to win one game to get out of the group, you had to win a second game to guarantee a "home" preliminary qf and if you won your third game you were guaranteed a qf place and a week's rest. One of the most important results for us last year was the draw against Galway in Sligo.
Quote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 09:40:34 AMListening to the GAA social this morning and McGeeney's comments after the Ulster final, I agree 100% that this is the best format of a championship that it is possible to get. This is our third year of it and there have been exciting final rounds in each year. This year there have been big shocks in the opening weekend leaving the groups wide open probably until the last game.
There is loads of jeopardy in every game as it's very difficult to get to an AI final unless you top your group. Of the 4 AI finalist only Galway last year didn't top their group but they had the eventual AI winners in their group. Galway and Mayo are under serious pressure in their final two games now.
Why are we changing it?
How on earth can you say that? This format allows for dead rubbers. By that very means it cannot be the best format
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 10:08:17 AMQuote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 09:40:34 AMListening to the GAA social this morning and McGeeney's comments after the Ulster final, I agree 100% that this is the best format of a championship that it is possible to get. This is our third year of it and there have been exciting final rounds in each year. This year there have been big shocks in the opening weekend leaving the groups wide open probably until the last game.
There is loads of jeopardy in every game as it's very difficult to get to an AI final unless you top your group. Of the 4 AI finalist only Galway last year didn't top their group but they had the eventual AI winners in their group. Galway and Mayo are under serious pressure in their final two games now.
Why are we changing it?
How on earth can you say that? This format allows for dead rubbers. By that very means it cannot be the best format
In the first 2 years there were 48 group games. I believe one of those was a dead rubber.
Quote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 10:14:31 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 10:08:17 AMQuote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 09:40:34 AMListening to the GAA social this morning and McGeeney's comments after the Ulster final, I agree 100% that this is the best format of a championship that it is possible to get. This is our third year of it and there have been exciting final rounds in each year. This year there have been big shocks in the opening weekend leaving the groups wide open probably until the last game.
There is loads of jeopardy in every game as it's very difficult to get to an AI final unless you top your group. Of the 4 AI finalist only Galway last year didn't top their group but they had the eventual AI winners in their group. Galway and Mayo are under serious pressure in their final two games now.
Why are we changing it?
How on earth can you say that? This format allows for dead rubbers. By that very means it cannot be the best format
In the first 2 years there were 48 group games. I believe one of those was a dead rubber.
So not perfect. Got it
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 10:17:02 AMQuote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 10:14:31 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 10:08:17 AMQuote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 09:40:34 AMListening to the GAA social this morning and McGeeney's comments after the Ulster final, I agree 100% that this is the best format of a championship that it is possible to get. This is our third year of it and there have been exciting final rounds in each year. This year there have been big shocks in the opening weekend leaving the groups wide open probably until the last game.
There is loads of jeopardy in every game as it's very difficult to get to an AI final unless you top your group. Of the 4 AI finalist only Galway last year didn't top their group but they had the eventual AI winners in their group. Galway and Mayo are under serious pressure in their final two games now.
Why are we changing it?
How on earth can you say that? This format allows for dead rubbers. By that very means it cannot be the best format
In the first 2 years there were 48 group games. I believe one of those was a dead rubber.
So not perfect. Got it
No system is perfect and no matter what system we have we will have people complaining.
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 10:08:17 AMQuote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 09:40:34 AMListening to the GAA social this morning and McGeeney's comments after the Ulster final, I agree 100% that this is the best format of a championship that it is possible to get. This is our third year of it and there have been exciting final rounds in each year. This year there have been big shocks in the opening weekend leaving the groups wide open probably until the last game.
There is loads of jeopardy in every game as it's very difficult to get to an AI final unless you top your group. Of the 4 AI finalist only Galway last year didn't top their group but they had the eventual AI winners in their group. Galway and Mayo are under serious pressure in their final two games now.
Why are we changing it?
How on earth can you say that? This format allows for dead rubbers. By that very means it cannot be the best format
Very few teams eliminated by the final round of games so can't see too many dead rubbers there.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 19, 2025, 10:21:34 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 10:17:02 AMQuote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 10:14:31 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 10:08:17 AMQuote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 09:40:34 AMListening to the GAA social this morning and McGeeney's comments after the Ulster final, I agree 100% that this is the best format of a championship that it is possible to get. This is our third year of it and there have been exciting final rounds in each year. This year there have been big shocks in the opening weekend leaving the groups wide open probably until the last game.
There is loads of jeopardy in every game as it's very difficult to get to an AI final unless you top your group. Of the 4 AI finalist only Galway last year didn't top their group but they had the eventual AI winners in their group. Galway and Mayo are under serious pressure in their final two games now.
Why are we changing it?
How on earth can you say that? This format allows for dead rubbers. By that very means it cannot be the best format
In the first 2 years there were 48 group games. I believe one of those was a dead rubber.
So not perfect. Got it
No system is perfect and no matter what system we have we will have people complaining.
I simply think it's mad we placed a mini League into a Championship to eliminate 4 out of 16 teams and people think that format cannot be bettered is all. It can hardly be so good if people are voting with their feet and staying away from these matches until actual knockouts which have jeopardy
Quote from: mouview on May 19, 2025, 10:24:34 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 10:08:17 AMQuote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 09:40:34 AMListening to the GAA social this morning and McGeeney's comments after the Ulster final, I agree 100% that this is the best format of a championship that it is possible to get. This is our third year of it and there have been exciting final rounds in each year. This year there have been big shocks in the opening weekend leaving the groups wide open probably until the last game.
There is loads of jeopardy in every game as it's very difficult to get to an AI final unless you top your group. Of the 4 AI finalist only Galway last year didn't top their group but they had the eventual AI winners in their group. Galway and Mayo are under serious pressure in their final two games now.
Why are we changing it?
How on earth can you say that? This format allows for dead rubbers. By that very means it cannot be the best format
Very few teams eliminated by the final round of games so can't see too many dead rubbers there.
But there are dead rubbers. 48 games to eliminate 4 out of 16 teams is hardly a format that cannot be bettered is all I'm saying
Straight knockout is the only non-dead rubber format, big fecking deal if there's a few perceived dead rubbers if the overwhelming majority are compelling
Quote from: tiempo on May 19, 2025, 10:50:46 AMStraight knockout is the only non-dead rubber format, big fecking deal if there's a few perceived dead rubbers if the overwhelming majority are compelling
Was the old qualifier format a non dead rubber format too? Is the format next year also a non dead rubber format too?
Is the majority compelling really?
Jeopardy Jarlath, aided by media, led a blitzkrieg on the current system last May. Then HQ presented some systems to the Counties emphasising that they had a preference for 1 if them.
There are plusses and minuses with any system.
We'll see this time next year how the new system goes.
Quote from: mackers on May 19, 2025, 09:56:27 AMQuote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 09:40:34 AMListening to the GAA social this morning and McGeeney's comments after the Ulster final, I agree 100% that this is the best format of a championship that it is possible to get. This is our third year of it and there have been exciting final rounds in each year. This year there have been big shocks in the opening weekend leaving the groups wide open probably until the last game.
There is loads of jeopardy in every game as it's very difficult to get to an AI final unless you top your group. Of the 4 AI finalist only Galway last year didn't top their group but they had the eventual AI winners in their group. Galway and Mayo are under serious pressure in their final two games now.
Why are we changing it?
I think they are changing it to open up the calendar a bit with one less game but I agree, it's complete madness to change it.
Numpties were saying there was little jeopardy in the games but there was!!
You had to win one game to get out of the group, you had to win a second game to guarantee a "home" preliminary qf and if you won your third game you were guaranteed a qf place and a week's rest. One of the most important results for us last year was the draw against Galway in Sligo.
Even at that, Mayo might win a game and depending on other results still come 4th due to head to head with Cavan. I think its a great system, but the unfairness of a team getting week break vs a team on the go 2 weeks in a row would have needed looked at. (Dublin and us next week.)
Galway probably didn't too bad when in possession but just didn't have enough of it in the first half.
O'Callaghan, Kilkenny, O'Cofaigh Byrne and O'Dell were superb whereas Conroy & D'Arcy were very poor and had no impact on the game. Some of the matchup didn't work, McGrath struggled on O'Callaghan as did Hernon. I suspect they would have both done better if they'd swapped.
I know its not easy but Tierney had a relatively simple pass to Kelly when he scored the equalising point.
Culhane found very wanting for Dublins last 2 scores, not a great cameo from him.
Thompson excellent again, for a 20 year old he looks more then as ease at this level; His goal was brilliant.
Huge game in 2 weeks against Derry, hope to see a reaction. If Armagh & Galway beat Derry and the Dubs beat Armagh it would leave the last round of fixtures as a dead rubber.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 19, 2025, 11:15:40 AMGalway probably didn't too bad when in possession but just didn't have enough of it in the first half.
O'Callaghan, Kilkenny, O'Cofaigh Byrne and O'Dell were superb whereas Conroy & D'Arcy were very poor and had no impact on the game. Some of the matchup didn't work, McGrath struggled on O'Callaghan as did Hernon. I suspect they would have both done better if they'd swapped.
I know its not easy but Tierney had a relatively simple pass to Kelly when he scored the equalising point.
Culhane found very wanting for Dublins last 2 scores, not a great cameo from him.
Thompson excellent again, for a 20 year old he looks more then as ease at this level; His goal was brilliant.
Huge game in 2 weeks against Derry, hope to see a reaction. If Armagh & Galway beat Derry and the Dubs beat Armagh it would leave the last round of fixtures as a dead rubber.
Well if you classify the Armagh Galway match with the winner guaranteed a Home venue for Preliminary Quarter Final as a dead rubber then ok. Alot of football to be played n between times.
Wexford v Kilkenny hurling next weekend is a dead rubber.
Wonder will local rivalry ignore the dead rubberitis or will KK put out their 2nd best 15??
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 19, 2025, 11:15:40 AMGalway probably didn't too bad when in possession but just didn't have enough of it in the first half.
O'Callaghan, Kilkenny, O'Cofaigh Byrne and O'Dell were superb whereas Conroy & D'Arcy were very poor and had no impact on the game. Some of the matchup didn't work, McGrath struggled on O'Callaghan as did Hernon. I suspect they would have both done better if they'd swapped.
I know its not easy but Tierney had a relatively simple pass to Kelly when he scored the equalising point.
Culhane found very wanting for Dublins last 2 scores, not a great cameo from him.
Thompson excellent again, for a 20 year old he looks more then as ease at this level; His goal was brilliant.
Huge game in 2 weeks against Derry, hope to see a reaction. If Armagh & Galway beat Derry and the Dubs beat Armagh it would leave the last round of fixtures as a dead rubber.
Not really as Im sure Armagh and Galway would both prefer a home draw as an away one, Down and Cavan look likely to be 3rd seeds and no disrespect Galway and Armagh would beat either comfortably you would say
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 19, 2025, 11:44:43 AMQuote from: Maroon Manc on May 19, 2025, 11:15:40 AMGalway probably didn't too bad when in possession but just didn't have enough of it in the first half.
O'Callaghan, Kilkenny, O'Cofaigh Byrne and O'Dell were superb whereas Conroy & D'Arcy were very poor and had no impact on the game. Some of the matchup didn't work, McGrath struggled on O'Callaghan as did Hernon. I suspect they would have both done better if they'd swapped.
I know its not easy but Tierney had a relatively simple pass to Kelly when he scored the equalising point.
Culhane found very wanting for Dublins last 2 scores, not a great cameo from him.
Thompson excellent again, for a 20 year old he looks more then as ease at this level; His goal was brilliant.
Huge game in 2 weeks against Derry, hope to see a reaction. If Armagh & Galway beat Derry and the Dubs beat Armagh it would leave the last round of fixtures as a dead rubber.
Not really as Im sure Armagh and Galway would both prefer a home draw as an away one, Down and Cavan look likely to be 3rd seeds and no disrespect Galway and Armagh would beat either comfortably you would say
That is true but the beauty of Cavan being drawn in a tougher group means that if they finish 3rd they'll have a 66% chance of facing a Louth/Monaghan/Down/Meath/Roscommon/Cork and a 33% chance of facing a Dublin/Galway/Derry/Armagh.
So being in tougher group can benefit you long term if you can sneak a win.
Serious bunch of crying Declan Bonners on this thread
Major zzzzzzzzz's wittering on about the format
I think some people prefer the idea of sport than actually getting on with doing it
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 19, 2025, 11:15:40 AMHuge game in 2 weeks against Derry, hope to see a reaction. If Armagh & Galway beat Derry and the Dubs beat Armagh it would leave the last round of fixtures as a dead rubber.
There still would be difference between second and third. Some of the other teams coming second e.g. Tyrone could be hard to beat in a preliminary QF. The teams coming third might not be as good.
If the 2026 format was in play this year, it would have meant the 8 provincial finalists (Kerry, Clare, Louth, Meath, Galway, Mayo, Donegal, Armagh) were drawn at home to Dublin, Monaghan, Roscommon, Tyrone, Derry, Cavan, Cork, Down.
8 winners of that round would play each other for a 1/4 final place.
8 losers would play each other for right to play 4 losers above for a 1/4 place.
So you could still be in championship after 2 losses, but not 3. So an improvement of sorts. But lack of seeding in for example Munster means someone bound to get an easier Round 1 draw.
Quote from: weareros on May 19, 2025, 12:33:34 PMIf the 2026 format was in play this year, it would have meant the 8 provincial finalists (Kerry, Clare, Louth, Meath, Galway, Mayo, Donegal, Armagh) were drawn at home to Dublin, Monaghan, Roscommon, Tyrone, Derry, Cavan, Cork, Down.
8 winners of that round would play each other for a 1/4 final place.
8 losers would play each other for right to play 4 losers above for a 1/4 place.
So you could still be in championship after 2 losses, but not 3. So an improvement of sorts. But lack of seeding in for example Munster means someone bound to get an easier Round 1 draw.
Exactly. It's definitely an improvement on what we have currently. And you only know who you get when the draw is done after each round. That creates a narrative and story rather than 3 known set games in a mini league
Quote from: weareros on May 19, 2025, 12:33:34 PMIf the 2026 format was in play this year, it would have meant the 8 provincial finalists (Kerry, Clare, Louth, Meath, Galway, Mayo, Donegal, Armagh) were drawn at home to Dublin, Monaghan, Roscommon, Tyrone, Derry, Cavan, Cork, Down.
8 winners of that round would play each other for a 1/4 final place.
8 losers would play each other for right to play 4 losers above for a 1/4 place.
So you could still be in championship after 2 losses, but not 3. So an improvement of sorts. But lack of seeding in for example Munster means someone bound to get an easier Round 1 draw.
Needs to be changed that only the provincial winner gets home advantage.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on May 19, 2025, 01:29:15 PMQuote from: weareros on May 19, 2025, 12:33:34 PMIf the 2026 format was in play this year, it would have meant the 8 provincial finalists (Kerry, Clare, Louth, Meath, Galway, Mayo, Donegal, Armagh) were drawn at home to Dublin, Monaghan, Roscommon, Tyrone, Derry, Cavan, Cork, Down.
8 winners of that round would play each other for a 1/4 final place.
8 losers would play each other for right to play 4 losers above for a 1/4 place.
So you could still be in championship after 2 losses, but not 3. So an improvement of sorts. But lack of seeding in for example Munster means someone bound to get an easier Round 1 draw.
Needs to be changed that only the provincial winner gets home advantage.
I'd like to have seen a further tweak. Have provincial winners straight to quarter final, have that reward. On weekends of the finals, have the 8 who qualify on League play each other to get down to 4 teams. Those 4 winners play provincial final losers in 4 preliminary QFs. Those 4 winners go on to play provincial winners at their home. Easy format right there, and you minimise weekends too. Can create a small gap between league and Championship start with this too
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 01:35:25 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 19, 2025, 01:29:15 PMQuote from: weareros on May 19, 2025, 12:33:34 PMIf the 2026 format was in play this year, it would have meant the 8 provincial finalists (Kerry, Clare, Louth, Meath, Galway, Mayo, Donegal, Armagh) were drawn at home to Dublin, Monaghan, Roscommon, Tyrone, Derry, Cavan, Cork, Down.
8 winners of that round would play each other for a 1/4 final place.
8 losers would play each other for right to play 4 losers above for a 1/4 place.
So you could still be in championship after 2 losses, but not 3. So an improvement of sorts. But lack of seeding in for example Munster means someone bound to get an easier Round 1 draw.
Needs to be changed that only the provincial winner gets home advantage.
I'd like to have seen a further tweak. Have provincial winners straight to quarter final, have that reward. On weekends of the finals, have the 8 who qualify on League play each other to get down to 4 teams. Those 4 winners play provincial final losers in 4 preliminary QFs. Those 4 winners go on to play provincial winners at their home. Easy format right there, and you minimise weekends too. Can create a small gap between league and Championship start with this too
That's very similar to the 2022 format that was scraped
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 01:35:25 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 19, 2025, 01:29:15 PMQuote from: weareros on May 19, 2025, 12:33:34 PMIf the 2026 format was in play this year, it would have meant the 8 provincial finalists (Kerry, Clare, Louth, Meath, Galway, Mayo, Donegal, Armagh) were drawn at home to Dublin, Monaghan, Roscommon, Tyrone, Derry, Cavan, Cork, Down.
8 winners of that round would play each other for a 1/4 final place.
8 losers would play each other for right to play 4 losers above for a 1/4 place.
So you could still be in championship after 2 losses, but not 3. So an improvement of sorts. But lack of seeding in for example Munster means someone bound to get an easier Round 1 draw.
Needs to be changed that only the provincial winner gets home advantage.
I'd like to have seen a further tweak. Have provincial winners straight to quarter final, have that reward. On weekends of the finals, have the 8 who qualify on League play each other to get down to 4 teams. Those 4 winners play provincial final losers in 4 preliminary QFs. Those 4 winners go on to play provincial winners at their home. Easy format right there, and you minimise weekends too. Can create a small gap between league and Championship start with this too
Wouldn't agree with that. Whole championship be over too quick then.
System in place next year seems like a good balance.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 19, 2025, 01:59:20 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 01:35:25 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 19, 2025, 01:29:15 PMQuote from: weareros on May 19, 2025, 12:33:34 PMIf the 2026 format was in play this year, it would have meant the 8 provincial finalists (Kerry, Clare, Louth, Meath, Galway, Mayo, Donegal, Armagh) were drawn at home to Dublin, Monaghan, Roscommon, Tyrone, Derry, Cavan, Cork, Down.
8 winners of that round would play each other for a 1/4 final place.
8 losers would play each other for right to play 4 losers above for a 1/4 place.
So you could still be in championship after 2 losses, but not 3. So an improvement of sorts. But lack of seeding in for example Munster means someone bound to get an easier Round 1 draw.
Needs to be changed that only the provincial winner gets home advantage.
I'd like to have seen a further tweak. Have provincial winners straight to quarter final, have that reward. On weekends of the finals, have the 8 who qualify on League play each other to get down to 4 teams. Those 4 winners play provincial final losers in 4 preliminary QFs. Those 4 winners go on to play provincial winners at their home. Easy format right there, and you minimise weekends too. Can create a small gap between league and Championship start with this too
Wouldn't agree with that. Whole championship be over too quick then.
System in place next year seems like a good balance.
Too quick? Why do we want to elongate stuff for the sake of it? We're reaping what we sow currently by adding in games that people do not want to go to.
This way provincials are rewarded, and you get a second chance. Gives games time to breath, develop the storylines, get TV lined up for them and so on. Less is more sometimes, rather than keeping as many teams as possible playing for longer than is needed (which is a money issue which is another problem coming down the line)
Quote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 01:48:07 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 01:35:25 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 19, 2025, 01:29:15 PMQuote from: weareros on May 19, 2025, 12:33:34 PMIf the 2026 format was in play this year, it would have meant the 8 provincial finalists (Kerry, Clare, Louth, Meath, Galway, Mayo, Donegal, Armagh) were drawn at home to Dublin, Monaghan, Roscommon, Tyrone, Derry, Cavan, Cork, Down.
8 winners of that round would play each other for a 1/4 final place.
8 losers would play each other for right to play 4 losers above for a 1/4 place.
So you could still be in championship after 2 losses, but not 3. So an improvement of sorts. But lack of seeding in for example Munster means someone bound to get an easier Round 1 draw.
Needs to be changed that only the provincial winner gets home advantage.
I'd like to have seen a further tweak. Have provincial winners straight to quarter final, have that reward. On weekends of the finals, have the 8 who qualify on League play each other to get down to 4 teams. Those 4 winners play provincial final losers in 4 preliminary QFs. Those 4 winners go on to play provincial winners at their home. Easy format right there, and you minimise weekends too. Can create a small gap between league and Championship start with this too
That's very similar to the 2022 format that was scraped
I think we need to go back to formats like that. The more we t**ker, the more people move away from them - we are literally seeing this. Games need consequence, not just games for games sake. When games have something actually riding on them, the story builds and crowds show up. We need to step back a bit and not try to have too many games and teams sticking around after being beaten multiple times and the heart gone out of them
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 02:10:20 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 19, 2025, 01:59:20 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 01:35:25 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 19, 2025, 01:29:15 PMQuote from: weareros on May 19, 2025, 12:33:34 PMIf the 2026 format was in play this year, it would have meant the 8 provincial finalists (Kerry, Clare, Louth, Meath, Galway, Mayo, Donegal, Armagh) were drawn at home to Dublin, Monaghan, Roscommon, Tyrone, Derry, Cavan, Cork, Down.
8 winners of that round would play each other for a 1/4 final place.
8 losers would play each other for right to play 4 losers above for a 1/4 place.
So you could still be in championship after 2 losses, but not 3. So an improvement of sorts. But lack of seeding in for example Munster means someone bound to get an easier Round 1 draw.
Needs to be changed that only the provincial winner gets home advantage.
I'd like to have seen a further tweak. Have provincial winners straight to quarter final, have that reward. On weekends of the finals, have the 8 who qualify on League play each other to get down to 4 teams. Those 4 winners play provincial final losers in 4 preliminary QFs. Those 4 winners go on to play provincial winners at their home. Easy format right there, and you minimise weekends too. Can create a small gap between league and Championship start with this too
Wouldn't agree with that. Whole championship be over too quick then.
System in place next year seems like a good balance.
Too quick? Why do we want to elongate stuff for the sake of it? We're reaping what we sow currently by adding in games that people do not want to go to.
This way provincials are rewarded, and you get a second chance. Gives games time to breath, develop the storylines, get TV lined up for them and so on. Less is more sometimes, rather than keeping as many teams as possible playing for longer than is needed (which is a money issue which is another problem coming down the line)
I'm not sure about you but I actually quite enjoy watching football week on week and next years system seems like quite a good balance.
I think your one of those people that would give out no matter what system is in place.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 19, 2025, 02:14:39 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 02:10:20 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 19, 2025, 01:59:20 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 01:35:25 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 19, 2025, 01:29:15 PMQuote from: weareros on May 19, 2025, 12:33:34 PMIf the 2026 format was in play this year, it would have meant the 8 provincial finalists (Kerry, Clare, Louth, Meath, Galway, Mayo, Donegal, Armagh) were drawn at home to Dublin, Monaghan, Roscommon, Tyrone, Derry, Cavan, Cork, Down.
8 winners of that round would play each other for a 1/4 final place.
8 losers would play each other for right to play 4 losers above for a 1/4 place.
So you could still be in championship after 2 losses, but not 3. So an improvement of sorts. But lack of seeding in for example Munster means someone bound to get an easier Round 1 draw.
Needs to be changed that only the provincial winner gets home advantage.
I'd like to have seen a further tweak. Have provincial winners straight to quarter final, have that reward. On weekends of the finals, have the 8 who qualify on League play each other to get down to 4 teams. Those 4 winners play provincial final losers in 4 preliminary QFs. Those 4 winners go on to play provincial winners at their home. Easy format right there, and you minimise weekends too. Can create a small gap between league and Championship start with this too
Wouldn't agree with that. Whole championship be over too quick then.
System in place next year seems like a good balance.
Too quick? Why do we want to elongate stuff for the sake of it? We're reaping what we sow currently by adding in games that people do not want to go to.
This way provincials are rewarded, and you get a second chance. Gives games time to breath, develop the storylines, get TV lined up for them and so on. Less is more sometimes, rather than keeping as many teams as possible playing for longer than is needed (which is a money issue which is another problem coming down the line)
I'm not sure about you but I actually quite enjoy watching football week on week and next years system seems like quite a good balance.
I think your one of those people that would give out no matter what system is in place.
I hear that, but sure there's no point just filling the place with games for the sake of it
That's quite the stretch you're making there about me. I liked the old system is all. I recall games with big crowds. Now an accumulated crowd for some teams 3 group games would not be over what a one off game would be 15 years ago. Crowd are voting with their feet and just think we need to take a step back and see what games works and what doesn't
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 02:29:34 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 19, 2025, 02:14:39 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 02:10:20 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 19, 2025, 01:59:20 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 01:35:25 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 19, 2025, 01:29:15 PMQuote from: weareros on May 19, 2025, 12:33:34 PMIf the 2026 format was in play this year, it would have meant the 8 provincial finalists (Kerry, Clare, Louth, Meath, Galway, Mayo, Donegal, Armagh) were drawn at home to Dublin, Monaghan, Roscommon, Tyrone, Derry, Cavan, Cork, Down.
8 winners of that round would play each other for a 1/4 final place.
8 losers would play each other for right to play 4 losers above for a 1/4 place.
So you could still be in championship after 2 losses, but not 3. So an improvement of sorts. But lack of seeding in for example Munster means someone bound to get an easier Round 1 draw.
Needs to be changed that only the provincial winner gets home advantage.
I'd like to have seen a further tweak. Have provincial winners straight to quarter final, have that reward. On weekends of the finals, have the 8 who qualify on League play each other to get down to 4 teams. Those 4 winners play provincial final losers in 4 preliminary QFs. Those 4 winners go on to play provincial winners at their home. Easy format right there, and you minimise weekends too. Can create a small gap between league and Championship start with this too
Wouldn't agree with that. Whole championship be over too quick then.
System in place next year seems like a good balance.
Too quick? Why do we want to elongate stuff for the sake of it? We're reaping what we sow currently by adding in games that people do not want to go to.
This way provincials are rewarded, and you get a second chance. Gives games time to breath, develop the storylines, get TV lined up for them and so on. Less is more sometimes, rather than keeping as many teams as possible playing for longer than is needed (which is a money issue which is another problem coming down the line)
I'm not sure about you but I actually quite enjoy watching football week on week and next years system seems like quite a good balance.
I think your one of those people that would give out no matter what system is in place.
I hear that, but sure there's no point just filling the place with games for the sake of it
That's quite the stretch you're making there about me. I liked the old system is all. I recall games with big crowds. Now an accumulated crowd for some teams 3 group games would not be over what a one off game would be 15 years ago. Crowd are voting with their feet and just think we need to take a step back and see what games works and what doesn't
Ah I'm only winding.
I did do a quick fact check on 2022 attendances and the largest attendance pre-quarter final was 16.5k.
We had 18k in Salthill on Saturday I believe. Crowds in the other games weren't great though.
We should get good attendances at Tyrone Donegal and Armagh Derry Next weekend too. So there's rough and smooth with both systems.
I do agree in the old system the likes of smaller counties like Cavan would show out in massive numbers in the first round of Ulster because you could be gone after one or two games. The likes of Cavan just haven't the population to be turning up every week. Whereas the likes of Armagh or Donegal have somewhat larger populations and can sustain relatively big crowds; plus they are going very well.
Wondering where were those big crowds at old qualifier games?
Only when the Rhus were playing as I recall.
Even then in 2022 Ros v Clare and Rhus v Kildare double header drew about 13k to Croker.
Anyway we have a system for next year.
As far as this year is concerned..
Donegal, Kerry, Armagh with Dublin, Tyrone, Galway.
Rest of us making up the numbers!
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 19, 2025, 02:47:58 PMI did do a quick fact check on 2022 attendances and the largest attendance pre-quarter final was 16.5k.
I'll take a bet that Dublin v Armagh will get twice that this year, as following events in Salthill more Dubs will come out in the hope of repeating the dose for the All Ireland finalists.
What are next years plans ?
I've yet to see it in print
Quote from: armaghniac on May 19, 2025, 02:52:16 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 19, 2025, 02:47:58 PMI did do a quick fact check on 2022 attendances and the largest attendance pre-quarter final was 16.5k.
I'll take a bet that Dublin v Armagh will get twice that this year, as following events in Salthill more Dubs will come out in the hope of repeating the dose for the All Ireland finalists.
Could get 50k at that
The anti-game lobby out in force today
Teams need games to generate momentum and to evolve, forget supporters they are fickle as fcuk
Its only an oul season of fitbaw like, no-one died
Quote from: armaghniac on May 19, 2025, 02:52:16 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 19, 2025, 02:47:58 PMI did do a quick fact check on 2022 attendances and the largest attendance pre-quarter final was 16.5k.
I'll take a bet that Dublin v Armagh will get twice that this year, as following events in Salthill more Dubs will come out in the hope of repeating the dose for the All Ireland finalists.
No system is perfect but I think what we have currently is really good. Galway dublin on Saturday was a brilliant game. Okay, Galway are still in the competition but as a gaa fan I'm happy with that. I want to see the best players and teams still in at the business end of the competition. These groups will throw up a few dud fixtures now and again but there's more than enough humdingers to keep us all entertained before we get into knockout.
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 19, 2025, 02:56:47 PMWhat are next years plans ?
I've yet to see it in print
Th'oul Internet us a great yoke Austin.....
https://www.gaa.ie/article/new-all-ireland-sfc-structure-to-be-implemented-in-2026
Quote from: Look-Up! on May 19, 2025, 12:11:10 AMVery assured Cavan performance today. GK switch before game ended up having a massive bearing on the result. Excellent performance and kickouts. Let us settle into game and grow in confidence. Then we smelled blood as the game went on and emptied the tank. Makes group very interesting now. Mayo got to go for broke.
👍 The other goalie, O'Rourke, totally shat the bed against Tyrone, aided and abetted by the outfield players playing like ducks in thunder. Galligan showed a bit of mettle dropping him.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 19, 2025, 03:58:41 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on May 19, 2025, 02:56:47 PMWhat are next years plans ?
I've yet to see it in print
Th'oul Internet us a great yoke Austin.....
https://www.gaa.ie/article/new-all-ireland-sfc-structure-to-be-implemented-in-2026
You're forgetting though, I'm really from the 60's 8)
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 19, 2025, 05:14:20 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 19, 2025, 03:58:41 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on May 19, 2025, 02:56:47 PMWhat are next years plans ?
I've yet to see it in print
Th'oul Internet us a great yoke Austin.....
https://www.gaa.ie/article/new-all-ireland-sfc-structure-to-be-implemented-in-2026
You're forgetting though, I'm really from the 60's 8)
Cavan beating Mayo in championship Louth winning Leinster. Must be a real throwback for ya 🤣
If 3 teams end up at the top of a group on 4 points will they use scoring difference from all games in the group or just the games between the 3 teams at the top?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 19, 2025, 08:59:32 PMIf 3 teams end up at the top of a group on 4 points will they use scoring difference from all games in the group or just the games between the 3 teams at the top?
I'd imagine it's the total +/- difference from all games
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 19, 2025, 05:41:52 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on May 19, 2025, 05:14:20 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 19, 2025, 03:58:41 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on May 19, 2025, 02:56:47 PMWhat are next years plans ?
I've yet to see it in print
Th'oul Internet us a great yoke Austin.....
https://www.gaa.ie/article/new-all-ireland-sfc-structure-to-be-implemented-in-2026
You're forgetting though, I'm really from the 60's 8)
Cavan beating Mayo in championship Louth winning Leinster. Must be a real throwback for ya 🤣
Tis alright. All we need next is for Longford to win Leinster again
Any update on the Armagh/Donegal investigation? Would be strange to think no action taken after a player getting punched by 3-4 opposition players.
You would have thought it would have been completed by now given both teams are playing this weekend.
Quote from: tiempo on May 19, 2025, 03:39:44 PMThe anti-game lobby out in force today
Teams need games to generate momentum and to evolve, forget supporters they are fickle as fcuk
Its only an oul season of fitbaw like, no-one died
Sure let's have 2 games a week 50 weeks a year so. Do you think more and more games just makes things better?
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 20, 2025, 07:44:37 AMAny update on the Armagh/Donegal investigation? Would be strange to think no action taken after a player getting punched by 3-4 opposition players.
You would have thought it would have been completed by now given both teams are playing this weekend.
Brolly has it sorted.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 20, 2025, 08:24:39 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 20, 2025, 07:44:37 AMAny update on the Armagh/Donegal investigation? Would be strange to think no action taken after a player getting punched by 3-4 opposition players.
You would have thought it would have been completed by now given both teams are playing this weekend.
Brolly has it sorted.
It's the gaa.they will prob do something today and lawyers will be onto them and suspensions dropped by Friday.
Just fine the 2 county boards substantially.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 20, 2025, 09:11:46 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 20, 2025, 08:24:39 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 20, 2025, 07:44:37 AMAny update on the Armagh/Donegal investigation? Would be strange to think no action taken after a player getting punched by 3-4 opposition players.
You would have thought it would have been completed by now given both teams are playing this weekend.
Brolly has it sorted.
It's the gaa.they will prob do something today and lawyers will be onto them and suspensions dropped by Friday.
Just fine the 2 county boards substantially.
On a side note, what would such fine money be used for? HQ staff payments? A new bike rack somewhere, or maybe a months wages for Dublin GAA development officers?
Quote from: snoopdog on May 20, 2025, 09:11:46 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 20, 2025, 08:24:39 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 20, 2025, 07:44:37 AMAny update on the Armagh/Donegal investigation? Would be strange to think no action taken after a player getting punched by 3-4 opposition players.
You would have thought it would have been completed by now given both teams are playing this weekend.
Brolly has it sorted.
It's the gaa.they will prob do something today and lawyers will be onto them and suspensions dropped by Friday.
Just fine the 2 county boards substantially.
Was a meeting last night apparently. If anything comes of it it'll be thrown out on appeal you'd imagine unless there is better footage somewhere.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 20, 2025, 09:18:31 AMQuote from: snoopdog on May 20, 2025, 09:11:46 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 20, 2025, 08:24:39 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 20, 2025, 07:44:37 AMAny update on the Armagh/Donegal investigation? Would be strange to think no action taken after a player getting punched by 3-4 opposition players.
You would have thought it would have been completed by now given both teams are playing this weekend.
Brolly has it sorted.
It's the gaa.they will prob do something today and lawyers will be onto them and suspensions dropped by Friday.
Just fine the 2 county boards substantially.
On a side note, what would such fine money be used for? HQ staff payments? A new bike rack somewhere, or maybe a months wages for Dublin GAA development officers?
The guts of 90% will filter it's way back to the clubs
Quote from: Rossfan on May 19, 2025, 02:49:13 PMAs far as this year is concerned..
Donegal, Kerry, Armagh with Dublin, Tyrone, Galway.
Rest of us making up the numbers!
Those 6 have won 24 of the 25 AIs this Century.
New winner badly needed.
Armagh were every bit the new winner in 2024 as 2002
Tyrone and Donegal had messianic managers who broke the mould, Donegal with less to show for it
Galway had one of the great teams before stinking the next 20 years out
Kerry are the standard bearers and will always be there or thereabouts
Dublin had the most financially doped team/era in GAA history and skewed the landscape, Mayo and others were the victims
Teams like Kildare Derry Down Cork Meath have blown more cold than hot the last 25 years
Don't think there's a snowballs chance of anyone not listed wining Sam in the next 25 years
Quote from: Rossfan on May 20, 2025, 10:56:19 AMQuote from: Rossfan on May 19, 2025, 02:49:13 PMAs far as this year is concerned..
Donegal, Kerry, Armagh with Dublin, Tyrone, Galway.
Rest of us making up the numbers!
Those 6 have won 24 of the 25 AIs this Century.
New winner badly needed.
Unlikely you'll ever get a new winner given the championship format
Since Louth won in 1957, only 5 other counties (other than those 6) have won the All Ireland .
That's 11 winners in nearly 70 years. Only 3 others have reached a final (Mayo, Roscommon, Kildare)
Quote from: tiempo on May 20, 2025, 01:05:42 PMArmagh were every bit the new winner in 2024 as 2002
Tyrone and Donegal had messianic managers who broke the mould, Donegal with less to show for it
Galway had one of the great teams before stinking the next 20 years out
Kerry are the standard bearers and will always be there or thereabouts
Dublin had the most financially doped team/era in GAA history and skewed the landscape, Mayo and others were the victims
Teams like Kildare Derry Down Cork Meath have blown more cold than hot the last 25 years
Don't think there's a snowballs chance of anyone not listed wining Sam in the next 25 years
Don't write off Louth, population is growing and serious work being done there at underage. Agree with your broader point though.
If there's a team I'd love to see lift Sam its Louth
Quote from: tiempo on May 20, 2025, 01:05:42 PMArmagh were every bit the new winner in 2024 as 2002
Tyrone and Donegal had messianic managers who broke the mould, Donegal with less to show for it
Galway had one of the great teams before stinking the next 20 years out
Kerry are the standard bearers and will always be there or thereabouts
Dublin had the most financially doped team/era in GAA history and skewed the landscape, Mayo and others were the victims
Teams like Kildare Derry Down Cork Meath have blown more cold than hot the last 25 years
Don't think there's a snowballs chance of anyone not listed wining Sam in the next 25 years
Can moan about Dublin's finance and doping if you like however one can't ignore the big pool of generational talent that came through at the same period of time. As for Mayo the victims? they had the winning of a few All Ireland finals against Dublin and found ways to lose themselves. They also lost to Donegal and Tyrone in finals after taking Dublin out in the semi final.
As for the now. Four different All Ireland winners the last four years we have now entered an era where All Ireland titles should be shared among a number of counties for the rest of this decade.
Same ones rotating.....
Woe betide, do suhing about it naw
At least Louth showing the balls to get organised, much like Monaghan, nothing stopping anyone elevating themselves
Quote from: Rossfan on May 20, 2025, 02:46:24 PMSame ones rotating.....
Armagh the current champions was their second ever title and the gap between the titles was 22 years plus last year they reached their first All Ireland semi final for 20 years if that doesn't give hope to the chasing pack nothing will.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 20, 2025, 02:05:51 PMQuote from: tiempo on May 20, 2025, 01:05:42 PMArmagh were every bit the new winner in 2024 as 2002
Tyrone and Donegal had messianic managers who broke the mould, Donegal with less to show for it
Galway had one of the great teams before stinking the next 20 years out
Kerry are the standard bearers and will always be there or thereabouts
Dublin had the most financially doped team/era in GAA history and skewed the landscape, Mayo and others were the victims
Teams like Kildare Derry Down Cork Meath have blown more cold than hot the last 25 years
Don't think there's a snowballs chance of anyone not listed wining Sam in the next 25 years
Can moan about Dublin's finance and doping if you like however one can't ignore the big pool of generational talent that came through at the same period of time. As for Mayo the victims? they had the winning of a few All Ireland finals against Dublin and found ways to lose themselves. They also lost to Donegal and Tyrone in finals after taking Dublin out in the semi final.
As for the now. Four different All Ireland winners the last four years we have now entered an era where All Ireland titles should be shared among a number of counties for the rest of this decade.
Yeah that Mayo team could have been irrelevant if it wasn't for the Dubs. Dublin brought the best out of them.
God knows who else they may have to lost in a 2013, 2016, 2017, and 2020 if the Dubs didn't exist.
If they were going to win one it was going to be against that great Dublin team.
Quote from: tiempo on May 20, 2025, 01:05:42 PMArmagh were every bit the new winner in 2024 as 2002
Tyrone and Donegal had messianic managers who broke the mould, Donegal with less to show for it
Galway had one of the great teams before stinking the next 20 years out
Kerry are the standard bearers and will always be there or thereabouts
Dublin had the most financially doped team/era in GAA history and skewed the landscape, Mayo and others were the victims
Teams like Kildare Derry Down Cork Meath have blown more cold than hot the last 25 years
Don't think there's a snowballs chance of anyone not listed wining Sam in the next 25 years
Tyrone had messianic players as well!.. I don't need to list them
The usual lazy garbage thrown out about that great Dublin team. I remember one GAA writer suggested would go on for years and they'd win at least 19 of next 20 All Irelands. Reality was a great team and management like when Kilkenny dominated hurling, Kerry football 1975-'86 and probably Limerick again on their way. Was always a begrudgery against Dublin wunning All Irelands from as far back as I remember.
Same money pumped into Dublin hurling.. one Leinster title to show.
Dublin senior hurling team operating at a far higher level last 10 to 15 years than they had been for the previous 50.
Their Club teams winning AIs....
Talking of money pumped into the Dubs, who paid for Ballymun u15s to go to Portugal for a warm weather training camp :-X
Quote from: Rossfan on May 20, 2025, 03:37:10 PMDublin senior hurling team operating at a far higher level last 10 to 15 years than they had been for the previous 50.
Their Club teams winning AIs....
1 Leinster hurling title :D
Maybe see what money is pumped into Limerick hurling or one code Kilkenny...
Is clubs not self sufficient from own fundraising and donations rather than they get bigger GAA handouts. I'm not sure. Is wealthy and not so wealthy clubs all over the country.
Quote from: Brendan on May 20, 2025, 03:46:28 PMTalking of money pumped into the Dubs, who paid for Ballymun u15s to go to Portugal for a warm weather training camp :-X
Is that where we're at now? :o
Quote from: Brendan on May 20, 2025, 03:46:28 PMTalking of money pumped into the Dubs, who paid for Ballymun u15s to go to Portugal for a warm weather training camp :-X
That's a very misguided business probably. Crazy.
Same team named again by Donegal, although there have been rumours flying around regarding Patton. Jason McGee not named in the 26 this time, but Eoghan Ban is.
Shaun Patton;
Finnbarr Roarty, Brendan McCole, Peadar Mogan;
Ryan McHugh, Caolan McGonagle, Ciarán Moore;
Hugh McFadden, Michael Langan;
Dáire Ó Baoill, Ciarán Thompson, Shane O'Donnell;
Patrick McBrearty, Michael Murphy, OisÃn Gallen.
Subs: Gavin Mulreany, Stephen McMenamin, Odhran McFadden Ferry, Caolan McColgan, Eoghan Bán Gallagher, Odhrán Doherty, Aaron Doherty, Eoin McHugh, Jamie Brennan, Conor O'Donnell, Niall O'Donnell.
Quote from: J70 on May 23, 2025, 12:28:08 PMSame team named again by Donegal, although there have been rumours flying around regarding Patton. Jason McGee not named in the 26 this time, but Eoghan Ban is.
Shaun Patton;
Finnbarr Roarty, Brendan McCole, Peadar Mogan;
Ryan McHugh, Caolan McGonagle, Ciarán Moore;
Hugh McFadden, Michael Langan;
Dáire Ó Baoill, Ciarán Thompson, Shane O'Donnell;
Patrick McBrearty, Michael Murphy, OisÃn Gallen.
Subs: Gavin Mulreany, Stephen McMenamin, Odhran McFadden Ferry, Caolan McColgan, Eoghan Bán Gallagher, Odhrán Doherty, Aaron Doherty, Eoin McHugh, Jamie Brennan, Conor O'Donnell, Niall O'Donnell.
Donegal out again the following weekend I recall last year in the same situation they were beaten by a fresher Cork I wonder will that be in McGuinness thinking this time.
Let's get over this one first. Us and Tyrone is usually a 50/50 call. We'll need serious intensity to win this one. Do that, and we'll see how the legs are for Mayo.
Quote from: J70 on May 23, 2025, 03:42:54 PMLet's get over this one first. Us and Tyrone is usually a 50/50 call. We'll need serious intensity to win this one. Do that, and we'll see how the legs are for Mayo.
Cavan away not Mayo next for Donegal. That's a thing both Tyrone and Donegal are going to likely throw their lot into this game the only plus is the weather won't be warm and draining on the players. A rested Mayo have glimmer of hope against Tyrone in that situation next week also.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 23, 2025, 03:21:10 PMQuote from: J70 on May 23, 2025, 12:28:08 PMSame team named again by Donegal, although there have been rumours flying around regarding Patton. Jason McGee not named in the 26 this time, but Eoghan Ban is.
Shaun Patton;
Finnbarr Roarty, Brendan McCole, Peadar Mogan;
Ryan McHugh, Caolan McGonagle, Ciarán Moore;
Hugh McFadden, Michael Langan;
Dáire Ó Baoill, Ciarán Thompson, Shane O'Donnell;
Patrick McBrearty, Michael Murphy, OisÃn Gallen.
Subs: Gavin Mulreany, Stephen McMenamin, Odhran McFadden Ferry, Caolan McColgan, Eoghan Bán Gallagher, Odhrán Doherty, Aaron Doherty, Eoin McHugh, Jamie Brennan, Conor O'Donnell, Niall O'Donnell.
Donegal out again the following weekend I recall last year in the same situation they were beaten by a fresher Cork I wonder will that be in McGuinness thinking this time.
a trip to Cavan is less tiring than one to Cork.
Cavan fans be hoping for a Tyrone this weekend.
Will give them that added security if Mayo can go to Omagh and win.
I see Monaghan are at odds on to beat Louth, 1/2 - 1/3, hard to credit that Ulster's also rans could be that hot to beat the Leinster champions. I can hope that this time the bookies are not wrong, but I'd say it's more of a 51/49 game in Louth's favour at kick off time.
Quote from: Main Street on May 24, 2025, 12:46:33 AMI see Monaghan are at odds on to beat Louth, 1/2 - 1/3, hard to credit that Ulster's also rans could be that hot to beat the Leinster champions. I can hope that this time the bookies are not wrong, but I'd say it's more of a 51/49 game in Louth's favour at kick off time.
Id say Monaghan could win that one with a bit to spare if I'm honest.
Weekend predictions
Louth v Monaghan - Monaghan by 7
Armagh v Derry - Armagh by 9
Meath v Cork - Cork by 2
Donegal v Tyrone - Tyrone by 2
Monaghan by 4
Armagh by 2
Donegal by 2
Cork by 4
Realistically, I think Donegal-Tyrone could go either way, and I honestly don't know what to expect from Derry. Predicting here on the assumption they've recovered some form, but Armagh's greater current depth will tell.
Quote from: Main Street on May 24, 2025, 12:46:33 AMI see Monaghan are at odds on to beat Louth, 1/2 - 1/3, hard to credit that Ulster's also rans could be that hot to beat the Leinster champions. I can hope that this time the bookies are not wrong, but I'd say it's more of a 51/49 game in Louth's favour at kick off time.
Monaghan had been a consistent div 1 team over the last decade until their relegation last year and have bounced straight back up to div 1 at the first time of asking. They have also reached the all Ireland semi finals twice in the last 4 years.
On what basis would they not be favourites for that game?
Quote from: J70 on May 24, 2025, 01:44:41 AMMonaghan by 4
Armagh by 2
Donegal by 2
Cork by 4
Realistically, I think Donegal-Tyrone could go either way, and I honestly don't know what to expect from Derry. Predicting here on the assumption they've recovered some form, but Armagh's greater current depth will tell.
Tyrone are the one team in the country with the most scope for improvement. With the exception of Dublin before last weekend.
Just don't know what you're going to get from them.
They won't get a better chance to beat Donegal than today.
As much as I'd love to see Derry back competing at the top I just can't see how they can raise a gallop today giving the team named but I hope I'm wrong.
Cork Meath game another unknown really too.
Monaghan should have too much for Louth id imagine.
4 great games to look forward to.
Quote from: Main Street on May 24, 2025, 12:46:33 AMI see Monaghan are at odds on to beat Louth, 1/2 - 1/3, hard to credit that Ulster's also rans could be that hot to beat the Leinster champions. I can hope that this time the bookies are not wrong, but I'd say it's more of a 51/49 game in Louth's favour at kick off time.
Louth are very consistent and structured, so you know what you'll get. Like their manager really. They suffocated Meath out of the LF by playeing very smart, plus they now have excellent strike options.
Monaghan on the other hand could light up the place with great football one day, and then flop the next. Up front Woods, McCarron, O'Hanlon, Mohan are either unstoppable or anonymous, depending on the day. Despite nearly 2 decades of competing at a relatively high level at this stage, they still struggle with expectation.
Today will be interesting as a result. Monaghan's best is a bit above Louth, Monaghan's ordinary is well below Louth. That's the conundrum for Gabriel Bannigan.
Louth are a very very tough team to beat, very well set up and talent to punish teams as well. The Monaghan match will depend on how they cone down from the high of the last couple of weeks, hard to call.
It's hard to know where Tyrone are at. We did well to stay with Armagh and probably should have won, despite having a bizarre kick out strategy which completely backfired, yet was persisted with.
Paudie Hampsey and Conor Meyler's returns could be very important further down the line if they can get back to their best.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on May 24, 2025, 02:24:40 AMQuote from: Main Street on May 24, 2025, 12:46:33 AMI see Monaghan are at odds on to beat Louth, 1/2 - 1/3, hard to credit that Ulster's also rans could be that hot to beat the Leinster champions. I can hope that this time the bookies are not wrong, but I'd say it's more of a 51/49 game in Louth's favour at kick off time.
Monaghan had been a consistent div 1 team over the last decade until their relegation last year and have bounced straight back up to div 1 at the first time of asking. They have also reached the all Ireland semi finals twice in the last 4 years.
On what basis would they not be favourites for that game?
Favourites is one thing, hot favourites is another. Louth drew with Monaghan last year in Clones at the same stage. By any measure Louth have impressed since, possibly what is a negative is any hangover effect. What's for sure in many of these type of games in the past, Monaghan have been overrated and underwhelmed on the day.
Quote from: Main Street on May 24, 2025, 11:01:35 AMQuote from: Easttyrone23 on May 24, 2025, 02:24:40 AMQuote from: Main Street on May 24, 2025, 12:46:33 AMI see Monaghan are at odds on to beat Louth, 1/2 - 1/3, hard to credit that Ulster's also rans could be that hot to beat the Leinster champions. I can hope that this time the bookies are not wrong, but I'd say it's more of a 51/49 game in Louth's favour at kick off time.
Monaghan had been a consistent div 1 team over the last decade until their relegation last year and have bounced straight back up to div 1 at the first time of asking. They have also reached the all Ireland semi finals twice in the last 4 years.
On what basis would they not be favourites for that game?
Favourites is one thing, hot favourites is another. Louth drew with Monaghan last year in Clones at the same stage. By any measure Louth have impressed since, possibly what is a negative is any hangover effect. What's for sure in many of these type of games in the past, Monaghan have been overrated and underwhelmed on the day.
That's a far point but some would argue Louth haven't been as impressive this year despite winning Leinster.
Struggled over Laois and Kildare shouldve beaten them. Meath had them on the racks in first half only for 3 brilliant goals from Louth kept them in the game. They closed out the game brilliantly that day though to their credit.
Monaghan have improved alot this year and I expect they'll have to much and will have a relatively comfortable win today
Louth playing in Newbridge today for their "home" game. Why was there no crying like there was for Antrim?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 12:53:36 AMWeekend predictions
Louth v Monaghan - Monaghan by 7
Armagh v Derry - Armagh by 9
Meath v Cork - Cork by 2
Donegal v Tyrone - Tyrone by 2
Monaghan by 5
Armagh by 6
Cork by 3
Tyrone by 2
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 24, 2025, 11:33:44 AMLouth playing in Newbridge today for their "home" game. Why was there no crying like there was for Antrim?
T.O. says venues to be approved by CCCC.
They've been using Inniskeen but that's in Monaghan.
Newry not available it seems. Down in same group as Louth....
Quote from: HokeyPokey on May 24, 2025, 10:56:43 AMIt's hard to know where Tyrone are at. We did well to stay with Armagh and probably should have won, despite having a bizarre kick out strategy which completely backfired, yet was persisted with.
Paudie Hampsey and Conor Meyler's returns could be very important further down the line if they can get back to their best.
Yeah Tyrone had a lot of room for relatively easy improvement I felt after the Armagh match but the scoreline flattered them. That said I've read since there was a bug in the camp that week. So I'd be very interested in seeing where they are really at.
Big day for Tyrone. O'Rourke had a fair bit of work to do when he came in to fashion a strong team out of a very talented set of players who had lost their way badly. That was always going to take time and we were always going to have to be realistic but still, he's had a few months now, 7 league games and 2 in Ulster and really all building up to this group stage. Tyrone fans will really be hoping that whatever happens over the next couple of months that we see real progress and that means the team have to be competitive.
As an aside, would also be unfair to expect too much from Meyler but great to see him back. McGeary deserved great praise in 2021 but for me Meyler should have got the big personal award, he was absolutely fundamental to the success of that team and before the injuries hit he also maintained his form and leadership into 2022 when others lost their way.
Louth
Derry
Cork
Donegal
Draw
Armagh
Meath
Donegal
Meath 0-1 Cork 0-1 after 20 minutes. A 45 and free the two scores.
Are they using old rules?!
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 24, 2025, 03:22:00 PMMeath 0-1 Cork 0-1 after 20 minutes. A 45 and free the two scores.
Bonkers
28 mins played. Meath 0-2 Cork 0-5. A goal for Meath Jordan Morris they lead 1-3 to 0-5
Half time Meath 1-5 Cork 0-5
After 50 mins Meath 1-8 Cork 0-8. 15 mins left Meath leading 1-10 to 0-9.
10 mins left Meath 1-10 Cork 0-12.
FT Meath 1-13 Cork 0-12
Can someone please tell Mark O Se to please shut up.
cliche after cliche, adding Zero value as usual
15 mins played a lively start. Louth 2-1 Monaghan 1-5. Half time Louth 2-5 Monaghan 1-11.
Louth hanging in well, Monaghan have left them in with a chance after looking like they were cruising @ 6pts ahead.
3rd goal for Louth from a penatly. Monaghan lead by 3 points with 14 mins left. 5 point lead for Monaghan. Two sides down to 14 men with a pair of black cards.
What is O'Se on about? Jack jumped for the ball how did he not make a play to try and get it? Anyone have any clue what happened there on the sideline?
Monaghan defensive pressure a joy to watch at times here today
A 4th consolation goal for Louth. FT Louth 4-8 Monaghan 1-23
Monaghan shod be +12 on scoring difference but sloppy play at the end as usual
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on May 24, 2025, 06:26:41 PMMonaghan shod be +12 on scoring difference but sloppy play at the end as usual
They're a joy to watch though lads. Play football the right way.
Good stuff from the Monaghan lads and were on top throughout, Louth's goals only reduced Monaghan's lead at each time. I was relatively relaxed in the 2nd half as Louth hadn't a hope to score from outside the 2 point arc and Monaghan were not dropping their intensity.
Quote from: Main Street on May 24, 2025, 06:29:58 PMGood stuff from the Monaghan lads and were on top throughout, Louth's goals only reduced Monaghan's lead at each time. I was relatively relaxed in the 2nd half as Louth hadn't a hope to score from outside the 2 point arc and Monaghan were not dropping their intensity.
Down should beat that Louth side do ya reckon?
Delayed throw on in Ballybofey due to serious road accident in Tyrone.
Hope all the Tyrone fans are ok.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 06:35:27 PMQuote from: Main Street on May 24, 2025, 06:29:58 PMGood stuff from the Monaghan lads and were on top throughout, Louth's goals only reduced Monaghan's lead at each time. I was relatively relaxed in the 2nd half as Louth hadn't a hope to score from outside the 2 point arc and Monaghan were not dropping their intensity.
Down should beat that Louth side do ya reckon?
Yes should beat "that Louth side", but what Louth side will turn up next week?
Rumours about Patton are true. He's not starting.
Eoghan Bsn starting for Mogan, Conor O'Donnell for McBrearty.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 06:15:59 PMMonaghan defensive pressure a joy to watch at times here today
Otoole forced a few turnovers. Stayed patient and didnt foul
Quote from: J70 on May 24, 2025, 06:42:59 PMRumours about Patton are true. He's not starting.
Eoghan Bsn starting for Mogan, Conor O'Donnell for McBrearty.
Is Mc Brearty reduced to an impact sub man now?
Good man to bring on to get a few 2 pointers. Even from frees.
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on May 24, 2025, 06:26:41 PMMonaghan shod be +12 on scoring difference but sloppy play at the end as usual
Thought the penalty was really soft but apart from that I agree. Monaghan wouldn't have been flattered with a 12 to 15 point win today. They really were that much better.
To be fair to Louth they had a major result 2 weeks ago and you couldn't begrudge them being a bit off it today. They will need to up their game against Down though
Quote from: marty34 on May 24, 2025, 06:47:14 PMQuote from: J70 on May 24, 2025, 06:42:59 PMRumours about Patton are true. He's not starting.
Eoghan Bsn starting for Mogan, Conor O'Donnell for McBrearty.
Is Mc Brearty reduced to an impact sub man now?
Good man to bring on to get a few 2 pointers. Even from frees.
He's started all the games so far, although neither Gallen or Conor O'Donnell were fully fit until the last few weeks.
Rake of changes for Tyrone: In Paudie Hampsey, Mark Bradley, Seanie O'Donnell, Cormac Quinn
Out: Petie Harte, Aodhan Donaghy, Peter Teague, Aidan Clarke.. 🤷
Why wasn't that black card for McHugh??
Clear 3rd man tackle taken out after the ball was played!
That's as blatant a black card as you'll see!
Goal for Tyrone not the best of defending by Donegal.
McGeary taken out of it not even a card? How does that work?
Love these rules by the way. Definitely speeds the game up by taking attacks away. Lovely stuff
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 24, 2025, 07:26:32 PMGoal for Tyrone not the best of defending by Donegal.
Missing Patton there
2nd goal for Tyrone. 2-2 to 0-3.
Surely that was a tap over free from a breach by Tyrone. Why was it a free only on the half way line?
Quote from: straightred on May 24, 2025, 06:47:33 PMQuote from: Angus MacGyver on May 24, 2025, 06:26:41 PMMonaghan shod be +12 on scoring difference but sloppy play at the end as usual
Thought the penalty was really soft but apart from that I agree. Monaghan wouldn't have been flattered with a 12 to 15 point win today. They really were that much better.
To be fair to Louth they had a major result 2 weeks ago and you couldn't begrudge them being a bit off it today. They will need to up their game against Down though
The penalty was soft, there wasn't enough pressure in that hand on the shoulder to crack an egg also the Louth free before that was cotton soft. The ref had a decent game though and noticably didn't call a player for overcarrying, hopefully that's a sign that the fanatic prosecution of the 4 and a half steps is a thing of the past.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on May 24, 2025, 07:26:55 PMMcGeary taken out of it not even a card? How does that work?
Can't work that one out. There's absolutely no grounds for awarding that free without the associated card.
Tyrone playing more like their 2000s team here. They're more confident in their ability to compete than they were against Armagh.
Why would you go for the 2 pointer in weather like that. Take your easy points when you can
Mc Kernan is a wild slabber of a lad.
Murphy can kick a ball.
Level game with a another Murphy two pointer free.
Would murphy not just f***ing retire and leave us alone
Donegal looking poor enough(or been made to look poor enough)at times. Game could go either way.
A two free pointer and one pointer from play give Tyrone a 3 point lead. Donegal closes out the half with a point. Tyrone two lead at half time.
Why did Donegal get the ball after the two players went down after colliding ?
Quote from: joemamas on May 24, 2025, 08:02:02 PMWhy did Donegal get the ball after the two players went down after colliding ?
Still trying to figure that out. Evenly enough matched teams at the minute
Quote from: Nanderson on May 24, 2025, 07:33:45 PMSurely that was a tap over free from a breach by Tyrone. Why was it a free only on the half way line?
Rule was amended half way through league. If a player collects, intercepts or carries ball over the line then it's a free from the point of the infraction. Otherwise it's still the 21 yard tap over.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 24, 2025, 07:57:27 PMDonegal looking poor enough(or been made to look poor enough)at times. Game could go either way.
Tyrone definitely started with the higher intensity and the wet ball has not helped us.
Murphy has dragged us back into it, but there's plenty of room for improvement in the second half.
As you say, impossible to call at this point.
How did Murphy kick them frees against that breeze
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 24, 2025, 08:06:08 PMQuote from: joemamas on May 24, 2025, 08:02:02 PMWhy did Donegal get the ball after the two players went down after colliding ?
Still trying to figure that out. Evenly enough matched teams at the minute
Whilst completely unintentional, Hampsey is the one who causes the collison as McFadden is in the air and actually got 2 hands on the ball. Hampsey is still on the ground and running into McFadden in the air and gets none of the ball. Good call for me.
48 mins played Donegal 0-12 Tyrone 2-10
At the minute hard to see Donegal winning. McCurry really stepping up here.
Canavan hasn't touched the ball
Quote from: screenexile on May 24, 2025, 08:38:55 PMCanavan hasn't touched the ball
He just have away that 2 point free. Will O'Rourke have balls to take him off?
A couple of two pointers for Donegal the 5 point lead for Tyrone cut to one point.
Mike Murphy loves the 2-pointers.
Quote from: screenexile on May 24, 2025, 08:38:55 PMCanavan hasn't touched the ball
New rules don't seem to suit him even though everyone was saying he'd benefit from them the most
Darragh Canavan cost that 2 pointer free that Murphy kicked there. Canavan hasn't done anything else of note so far. If he was anyone else he'd be subbed off.
Quote from: Rois on May 24, 2025, 08:40:32 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 24, 2025, 08:38:55 PMCanavan hasn't touched the ball
He just have away that 2 point free. Will O'Rourke have balls to take him off?
Big call to take off Donnelly but he's done nothing either so hard to argue with it!
Quote from: Rois on May 24, 2025, 08:40:32 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 24, 2025, 08:38:55 PMCanavan hasn't touched the ball
He just have away that 2 point free. Will O'Rourke have balls to take him off?
No.
Mcelholm for bradley.
f**k all wrong with Morgan there trying to stem the tide.
Yep, agreed with above. Canavan might be their gun forward but he's not at it tonight. He should have been waved straight to the line after running 50m to push a man
2 pointers a load of aul shite. The difference in a couple of inches having such an effect on a game. Would scrap them in the morning.
Cracking game
Two pointer to put Donegal 2 points in front.
Quote from: tyroneman on May 24, 2025, 08:48:58 PM2 pointers a load of aul shite. The difference in a couple of inches having such an effect on a game. Would scrap them in the morning.
I disagree! I don't think you should get one from a free but from play I think it's a great addition.
It's a bigger score than a fisted point or a twenty metre kick and it gives a big lift to the crowd.
That was not a foul!
Level game again.
Teague is it? Lording Murphy there.
Definitely tense game.
Two pointer for Tyrone to lead by two with 3 minutes left.
Can't see Donegal winning now
Quote from: tyroneman on May 24, 2025, 08:48:58 PM2 pointers a load of aul shite. The difference in a couple of inches having such an effect on a game. Would scrap them in the morning.
A difference of inches has always and will always have an effect on a game in every field sport ever created. Period.
Tyrone will close this out
Tyrone win by three points.
Quote from: Aristo 60 on May 24, 2025, 08:59:10 PMQuote from: tyroneman on May 24, 2025, 08:48:58 PM2 pointers a load of aul shite. The difference in a couple of inches having such an effect on a game. Would scrap them in the morning.
A difference of inches has always and will always have an effect on a game in every field sport ever created. Period.
We'll have to agree to disagree on that.
And even with the Harte 2 pointer at the end I stick by it.
Malachy has landed. Never doubted him.. or the new rules. Brilliant from Tyrone.
Great game. Quite brilliant by Tyrone to win that after going 2 points down. Some two pointer by Harte.
Didn't see it, what happened Kennedy taken off twice?
Great game of football.
Tyrone matched Donegal for confidence and intensity. Didn't fall into the "Jimmy" trap.
Lovely to watch an underdog backing themselves to win instead of trying not to lose.
I found myself saying in the last quarter "come on Tyrone", stranger things have never happenend. That was real Ulster football.
Good for Peter Harte to get the big score after giving away the late free v Armagh.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 12:53:36 AMWeekend predictions
Louth v Monaghan - Monaghan by 7
Armagh v Derry - Armagh by 9
Meath v Cork - Cork by 2
Donegal v Tyrone - Tyrone by 2
Cork let me down for the clean sweep.
Quote from: Main Street on May 24, 2025, 09:03:49 PMI found myself saying in the last quarter "come on Tyrone", stranger things have never happenend. That was real Ulster football.
Get to f*** with that shite. We need the siege mentality. Lol
That's the big win we needed. There was some poor decision making at times and spells when Tyrone didn't get the scores their play had merited but the closing minutes were huge - to hit the last five points a real statement. The two pointer from Petey terrific but the whole team stepped up in that period. Need to build on it - and there is improvement in that team - but a hugely encouraging result.
Quote from: Main Street on May 24, 2025, 09:03:49 PMI found myself saying in the last quarter "come on Tyrone", stranger things have never happenend. That was real Ulster football.
Lol, same.
I said to a brother maybe a 18mths ago, it's really only a matter of time until Tyrone get their ducks in a row, O'Rourke is the man to do it.... unfortunately.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 09:05:49 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 12:53:36 AMWeekend predictions
Louth v Monaghan - Monaghan by 7
Armagh v Derry - Armagh by 9
Meath v Cork - Cork by 2
Donegal v Tyrone - Tyrone by 2
Cork let me down for the clean sweep.
It was good enough for you blow your own trumpet
Unreal kick from Peter Harte for the 2 pointer. Well done Tyrone!
As a Derry man that was disappointing if not unexpected.
That was a total Malachy O'Rourke performance. Overall Tyrone weren't great but they dug in and found a way to win something they've struggled with in recent years.
Doesn't bode well for everyone else!
After today's results Kerry are the only unbeaten team in the Championship (Armagh too if you only count 70 minutes.)
Quote from: Main Street on May 24, 2025, 09:08:39 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 09:05:49 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 12:53:36 AMWeekend predictions
Louth v Monaghan - Monaghan by 7
Armagh v Derry - Armagh by 9
Meath v Cork - Cork by 2
Donegal v Tyrone - Tyrone by 2
Cork let me down for the clean sweep.
It was good enough for you blow your own trumpet
Haha self praise is the only praise you'll get on this forum.
It's a dog eat dog here.
Quote from: David McKeown on May 24, 2025, 09:13:58 PMAfter today's results Kerry are the only unbeaten team in the Championship (Armagh too if you only count 70 minutes.)
And there's no team with a 100% record. With Cork drawing with Kerry.
After the first round of fixtures only three higher seeds won. Kerry, Meath and Armagh.
This 2 games in 3 weeks malarkey can't continue, as I'm sure Jim will be keen to clarify I suppose
Three provincial finalists beaten.
Best wishes and hopefully a fully recovery for Kevin McStay
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41638579.html
Well bucks, what was wrong with today's 4 games?
Best wishes to Kevin.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 24, 2025, 09:25:11 PMThree provincial finalists beaten.
And two provincial winners
Winners I meant to say sorry. Losers probably more focused I suspect.
Well done Tyrone boys. It was tight, but I thought you were the better team on the day and deserved the win. Too many of our boys struggled and looked a bit tired, although a huge amount of credit has to go to Murphy and Langan to drag us back into it when it looked to be slipping away.
I honestly think we are in a tough position. Cavan are going to tear into just like they did Mayo. Lose that, and it could be a straight shootout against Mayo, and we haven't fared too well against them in recent years.
Malachy O'Rourke still the only man to lead an Ulster team to victory over McGuinness in the championship.
Quote from: J70 on May 24, 2025, 09:49:51 PMWell done Tyrone boys. It was tight, but I thought you were the better team on the day and deserved the win. Too many of our boys struggled and looked a bit tired, although a huge amount of credit has to go to Murphy and Langan to drag us back into it when it looked to be slipping away.
I honestly think we are in a tough position. Cavan are going to tear into just like they did Mayo. Lose that, and it could be a straight shootout against Mayo, and we haven't fared too well against them in recent years.
Malachy O'Rourke still the only man to lead an Ulster team to victory over McGuinness in the championship.
Credit to both teams, it was a tremendous game, Donegal most likely as runners up in the group, have the unenviable task of now playing four games in five weeks, assuming the last one being an All-ireland Q Final on June 29th.
Should Peter Harte have looked to work another score than boot the ball out of play on the hooter? In the group stage you never know with scoring difference.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 24, 2025, 10:01:15 PMShould Peter Harte have looked to work another score than boot the ball out of play on the hooter? In the group stage you never know with scoring difference.
Definitely not.
Maybe if your 4 up but definitely not 3.
Even if they lose to Mayo next week they'll likely still top the group with Donegal 2nd on head to head and Cavan edging out Mayo on head to head in 3rd.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 24, 2025, 10:01:15 PMShould Peter Harte have looked to work another score than boot the ball out of play on the hooter? In the group stage you never know with scoring difference.
Absolutely not. Wtf! One score between the teams... Take yer win and get out of there
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 24, 2025, 10:01:15 PMShould Peter Harte have looked to work another score than boot the ball out of play on the hooter? In the group stage you never know with scoring difference.
Jesus definitely not. 1 score game and if Donegal won a turnover on the back of that with the crowd behind them and the runners they have available to them against a defence that wouldn't have had time to set up you'd be asking to concede a goal. No offence but one of the silliest things I've read in a while
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 24, 2025, 09:29:45 PMBest wishes and hopefully a fully recovery for Kevin McStay
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41638579.html
Hope he's ok
Tyrone gone to 2nd favourites for the all ireland after that win along with 3 other teams. Nightmare for bookies this years all ireland.
https://www.paddypower.com/gaelic-games/all-ireland-football
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 10:08:41 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 24, 2025, 10:01:15 PMShould Peter Harte have looked to work another score than boot the ball out of play on the hooter? In the group stage you never know with scoring difference.
Definitely not.
Maybe if your 4 up but definitely not 3.
Even if they lose to Mayo next week they'll likely still top the group with Donegal 2nd on head to head and Cavan edging out Mayo on head to head in 3rd.
Getting a bit ahead of yourself aren't you
Early rounds have made things interesting. Monaghan are probably in the QFs. Tyrone have every chance of getting there,as do Kerry. One of Dublin/Armagh/Galway will, but the other two will be in preliminaries. Donegal might well be in a preliminary and could meet Dublin or Galway, but not Armagh. Such a game would knock out one contender and likely leave the winner exhausted facing the QF. So Armagh still have it all to play for to top the group, but if they do not manage this their preliminary opponents would not a fancied AI contender,but Donegal/Galway/Dublin do have that possibility. Being in the Ulster final and then a strong group has some advantages.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 11:11:19 PMTyrone gone to 2nd favourites for the all ireland after that win along with 3 other teams. Nightmare for bookies this years all ireland.
https://www.paddypower.com/gaelic-games/all-ireland-football
Hopefully Kerry's luck will desert them and they'll end up with a brutal QF draw, they'll fall at the first big obstacle
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 24, 2025, 11:18:33 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 10:08:41 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 24, 2025, 10:01:15 PMShould Peter Harte have looked to work another score than boot the ball out of play on the hooter? In the group stage you never know with scoring difference.
Definitely not.
Maybe if your 4 up but definitely not 3.
Even if they lose to Mayo next week they'll likely still top the group with Donegal 2nd on head to head and Cavan edging out Mayo on head to head in 3rd.
Getting a bit ahead of yourself aren't you
Nothing wrong with looking at every permutation.
Tonight's result was great for Cavan as we're unlikely to get another win.
Gives us a safety net if Mayo beat Tyrone.
We are in big bother if Mayo can muster a win v Donegal though.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 24, 2025, 11:21:37 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 11:11:19 PMTyrone gone to 2nd favourites for the all ireland after that win along with 3 other teams. Nightmare for bookies this years all ireland.
https://www.paddypower.com/gaelic-games/all-ireland-football
Hopefully Kerry's luck will desert them and they'll end up with a brutal QF draw, they'll fall at the first big obstacle
Aye would be great to see them get a big dog.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 11:26:13 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 24, 2025, 11:21:37 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 11:11:19 PMTyrone gone to 2nd favourites for the all ireland after that win along with 3 other teams. Nightmare for bookies this years all ireland.
https://www.paddypower.com/gaelic-games/all-ireland-football
Hopefully Kerry's luck will desert them and they'll end up with a brutal QF draw, they'll fall at the first big obstacle
Aye would be great to see them get a big dog.
There are 4 preliminary games, two of those will have Armagh/Dublin/Galway/Derry in them and Donegal will in one of the 4. If Donegal don't play Armagh/Dublin/Galway/Derry then these teams are likely to win their preliminaries and so Kerry is likely to play one of them, and this is pretty much inevitable if Cork won the other preliminary. Kerry might well trip up.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 25, 2025, 12:13:43 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 11:26:13 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 24, 2025, 11:21:37 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 11:11:19 PMTyrone gone to 2nd favourites for the all ireland after that win along with 3 other teams. Nightmare for bookies this years all ireland.
https://www.paddypower.com/gaelic-games/all-ireland-football
Hopefully Kerry's luck will desert them and they'll end up with a brutal QF draw, they'll fall at the first big obstacle
Aye would be great to see them get a big dog.
There are 4 preliminary games, two of those will have Armagh/Dublin/Galway/Derry in them and Donegal will in one of the 4. If Donegal don't play Armagh/Dublin/Galway/Derry then these teams are likely to win their preliminaries and so Kerry is likely to play one of them, and this is pretty much inevitable if Cork won the other preliminary. Kerry might well trip up.
The beauty of being in one the tough groups is that Donegal have a 2/3 chance of getting a kind draw as does Cavan if they finish 3rd.
Could lead to some lobsided quarter finals if group 1 and group 4 are paired together though
Quote from: David McKeown on May 24, 2025, 09:13:58 PMAfter today's results Kerry are the only unbeaten team in the Championship (Armagh too if you only count 70 minutes.)
FFS - Linfield would be unbeaten if they played the teams Kerry played.
Do you think Kerry would win an USFC?
Quote from: Aristo 60 on May 24, 2025, 08:59:10 PMQuote from: tyroneman on May 24, 2025, 08:48:58 PM2 pointers a load of aul shite. The difference in a couple of inches having such an effect on a game. Would scrap them in the morning.
A difference of inches has always and will always have an effect on a game in every field sport ever created. Period.
Yes, a difference of inches between a goal and not a goal, or a square ball, a wide etc. etc.
I do think they should continue the arc though so you reward acute shots, have 4 point goals and stop the 2 pointer penalty infringements, make it a shot in front of the d or something.
Tyrone, Galway, Kerry, Armagh, Donegal and Dublin all have realistic AI ambitions this year.
Mayo, Derry, Monaghan could trip one of them up on a given day.
Cavan Louth Roscommon a step further back but are no pushovers
Great few weeks of football in prospect.
Watch Tyrone though.
The game in Ballybofey hinged a lot on 2 pointers. Don't like them either.
A very open All Ireland.
Be interesting to watch Dublin in Croke Park. If they beat Armagh they could be very dangerous.
Donegal look jaded and will need the missing players back.
Kerry played nobody yet so don't know where they are at.
Galway have to beat Derry next week to get back on track and you would really need to see Walsh and Comer hitting form.
Armagh with Rian back have a strong squad.
Tyrone beginning to look the part.....could wee see a big Armagh v Tyrone game in Croker?
Monaghan could make the semi finals.
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on May 25, 2025, 10:07:28 AMGreat few weeks of football in prospect.
Watch Tyrone though.
Tyrone have form for winning after Armagh. After every sunny day comes a shower.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 25, 2025, 10:11:28 AMQuote from: Angus MacGyver on May 25, 2025, 10:07:28 AMGreat few weeks of football in prospect.
Watch Tyrone though.
Tyrone have form for winning after Armagh. After every sunny day comes a shower.
You must have seen a right few showers then 😉.
Looking like a great contest this which is good to see.
Dublin haven't gone anyway. They can be got at, outside croke park, but in croke park a different ball game. New team or not, they still a no of old hands pulling the strings. I see them as favourites, just beating away under the radar. Armagh game nxt week will tell alot.
Happy enough with Meaths win. Showed plenty of grit to pull off a win. Morris getting back to his best. Costello probably near the peak of his powers now. Need to get Gray and McBride into the team and start developing them. We'll need them in future.
Cork were poor enough and you could tell the long lay off didn't help. Played well for periods but no real threat about them. Unless Kerry gets their blood racing I don't see them doing anything.
Meath will need to build on yesterday's game, which will have put the Leinster final out of their heads. Roscommon in The Hyde will be a tough prospect but we have the scorers to do the damage. The good weather seems to be gone now so that might things a bit less predictable.
Good win for Meath yesterday. TBH in total control for majority of the match. I was getting worried that we'd do what we did in Leinster final and be the far better side at halftime and be hardly ahead. But we dug out the win. Morris is getting back to fitness and Costello is surely nailed on all star.
Hyde will offer a different challenge. But from what I've seen so far of Roscommon we should win. But need to put teams away when we on top. Cost use v Louth and could have cost us yesterday
Quote from: Dunneroyal on May 25, 2025, 09:18:49 PMGood win for Meath yesterday. TBH in total control for majority of the match. I was getting worried that we'd do what we did in Leinster final and be the far better side at halftime and be hardly ahead. But we dug out the win. Morris is getting back to fitness and Costello is surely nailed on all star.
Hyde will offer a different challenge. But from what I've seen so far of Roscommon we should win. But need to put teams away when we on top. Cost use v Louth and could have cost us yesterday
27 minutes played it was 0-5 to 0-2 to Cork and the only scores for Meath was two frees. Costello point from play and The Jordan Morris goal moments after gave you a platform to control the contest but did let Cork back to within one point with ten minutes to play.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on May 25, 2025, 09:18:49 PMGood win for Meath yesterday. TBH in total control for majority of the match. I was getting worried that we'd do what we did in Leinster final and be the far better side at halftime and be hardly ahead. But we dug out the win. Morris is getting back to fitness and Costello is surely nailed on all star.
Hyde will offer a different challenge. But from what I've seen so far of Roscommon we should win. But need to put teams away when we on top. Cost use v Louth and could have cost us yesterday
;) You serious? After one game!
Roscommon v Meath this weekend.
Meath need to be burying a under performing Roscommon this weekend to show they have really progressed this year.
If they go to the Hyde and limp to a 4 or 5 point defeat they are back at square one again.
Quote from: Tatler Jack on May 25, 2025, 10:32:00 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on May 25, 2025, 09:18:49 PMGood win for Meath yesterday. TBH in total control for majority of the match. I was getting worried that we'd do what we did in Leinster final and be the far better side at halftime and be hardly ahead. But we dug out the win. Morris is getting back to fitness and Costello is surely nailed on all star.
Hyde will offer a different challenge. But from what I've seen so far of Roscommon we should win. But need to put teams away when we on top. Cost use v Louth and could have cost us yesterday
;) You serious? After one game!
no after all year. And winning player of the month.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 25, 2025, 12:13:43 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 11:26:13 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 24, 2025, 11:21:37 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 11:11:19 PMTyrone gone to 2nd favourites for the all ireland after that win along with 3 other teams. Nightmare for bookies this years all ireland.
https://www.paddypower.com/gaelic-games/all-ireland-football
Hopefully Kerry's luck will desert them and they'll end up with a brutal QF draw, they'll fall at the first big obstacle
Aye would be great to see them get a big dog.
There are 4 preliminary games, two of those will have Armagh/Dublin/Galway/Derry in them and Donegal will in one of the 4. If Donegal don't play Armagh/Dublin/Galway/Derry then these teams are likely to win their preliminaries and so Kerry is likely to play one of them, and this is pretty much inevitable if Cork won the other preliminary. Kerry might well trip up.
You really giving Kerry a walk over v Meath in neutral venue ? Probably portlaois where Meath destroyed dubs? I wouldn't be shocked if we took them there.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on May 26, 2025, 10:21:01 AMQuote from: armaghniac on May 25, 2025, 12:13:43 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 11:26:13 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 24, 2025, 11:21:37 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 24, 2025, 11:11:19 PMTyrone gone to 2nd favourites for the all ireland after that win along with 3 other teams. Nightmare for bookies this years all ireland.
https://www.paddypower.com/gaelic-games/all-ireland-football
Hopefully Kerry's luck will desert them and they'll end up with a brutal QF draw, they'll fall at the first big obstacle
Aye would be great to see them get a big dog.
There are 4 preliminary games, two of those will have Armagh/Dublin/Galway/Derry in them and Donegal will in one of the 4. If Donegal don't play Armagh/Dublin/Galway/Derry then these teams are likely to win their preliminaries and so Kerry is likely to play one of them, and this is pretty much inevitable if Cork won the other preliminary. Kerry might well trip up.
You really giving Kerry a walk over v Meath in neutral venue ? Probably portlaois where Meath destroyed dubs? I wouldn't be shocked if we took them there.
I hope you right Dunne Royal and love your optimism.
In the unlikely event Meath did beat Kerry the whole championship would be blown wide open if it wasn't already and would show how great this current format can be.
Its a very open AI - anyone of Kerry, Galway, Armagh, Tyrone or Donegal could win it. You also have Monaghan, Derry and Mayo who could beat of of those five on a given day. I wouldn't read anything in the Meath/Cork result as Cork are a poorly coached side. Cork might lift their game against Kerry but both themselves and Meath will be beaten by the Rossies and Kerry. Two weak sides.
So far it's looking like
Tyrone, Armagh Cavan
Kerry Roscommon, Meath
Monaghan, Down, Louth
Dublin, Galway, Derry
Can't see Cavan, Meath or Louth progressing any further after that.
Quote from: mup on May 26, 2025, 01:10:01 PMIts a very open AI - anyone of Kerry, Galway, Armagh, Tyrone or Donegal could win it. You also have Monaghan, Derry and Mayo who could beat of of those five on a given day. I wouldn't read anything in the Meath/Cork result as Cork are a poorly coached side. Cork might lift their game against Kerry but both themselves and Meath will be beaten by the Rossies and Kerry. Two weak sides.
So far it's looking like
Tyrone, Armagh Cavan
Kerry Roscommon, Meath
Monaghan, Down, Louth
Dublin, Galway, Derry
Can't see Cavan, Meath or Louth progressing any further after that.
Donegal out? 4 group 4 teams through? :D?
Roscommon don't look too hot, so Cork or Meath surely have a chance there.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 26, 2025, 01:22:44 PMQuote from: mup on May 26, 2025, 01:10:01 PMIts a very open AI - anyone of Kerry, Galway, Armagh, Tyrone or Donegal could win it. You also have Monaghan, Derry and Mayo who could beat of of those five on a given day. I wouldn't read anything in the Meath/Cork result as Cork are a poorly coached side. Cork might lift their game against Kerry but both themselves and Meath will be beaten by the Rossies and Kerry. Two weak sides.
So far it's looking like
Tyrone, Armagh Cavan
Kerry Roscommon, Meath
Monaghan, Down, Louth
Dublin, Galway, Derry
Can't see Cavan, Meath or Louth progressing any further after that.
Donegal out? 4 group 4 teams through? :D?
Roscommon don't look too hot, so Cork or Meath surely have a chance there.
He actually has Armagh out as he has listed the other 3 teams in their group at the bottom. He has it all mixed up but it appears he thinks either Armagh or Donegal won't get out of the group
Whats the odds on AI Winner now after first few games
Quote from: WT4E on May 26, 2025, 01:49:17 PMWhats the odds on AI Winner now after first few games
Think I seen somewhere Kerry favourites, can't remember the odds then Dublin, Galway, Armagh, Tyrone, Donegal all 11-2
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 26, 2025, 02:13:59 PMQuote from: WT4E on May 26, 2025, 01:49:17 PMWhats the odds on AI Winner now after first few games
Think I seen somewhere Kerry favourites, can't remember the odds then Dublin, Galway, Armagh, Tyrone, Donegal all 11-2
PP have these odds. Bolkesports have Armagh 5/1 and others 6/1. This is reasonable as Armagh cannot meet Donegal, Dublin or Galway, whereas two of these could meet in the preliminary QF and so not even reach the QFs.
I don't know what I was thinking of there.
Tyrone, Donegal, Cavan
Kerry, Roscommon Meath
Monaghan, Down, Louth
Dublin, Galway, Armagh
Louth, Meath and Cavan won't be progressing.
Donegal, Kerry, Tyrone, Galway to make the semi's
Kerry not win it.... bag of shite when they play a real team
Quote from: mup on May 26, 2025, 02:25:11 PMI don't know what I was thinking of there.
Tyrone, Donegal, Cavan
Kerry, Roscommon Meath
Monaghan, Down, Louth
Dublin, Galway, Armagh
Louth, Meath and Cavan won't be progressing.
Donegal, Kerry, Tyrone, Galway to make the semi's
While Monaghan and Kerry go to the QFs, events elsewhere especially in the Group of Death will have an influence. If Armagh top that group, and Donegal do not top their group, they have a one-third chance of meeting Dublin or Galway, and so one big gun is gone. If Armagh tops the group, then they cannot meet Dublin, Galway or Donegal, and so these teams are more likely to play Kerry, and they won't both be in the semi-final. So the pattern of games will be have influence on the QFs and your 4 teams might not all be there.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 26, 2025, 04:09:25 PMQuote from: mup on May 26, 2025, 02:25:11 PMI don't know what I was thinking of there.
Tyrone, Donegal, Cavan
Kerry, Roscommon Meath
Monaghan, Down, Louth
Dublin, Galway, Armagh
Louth, Meath and Cavan won't be progressing.
Donegal, Kerry, Tyrone, Galway to make the semi's
While Monaghan and Kerry go to the QFs, events elsewhere especially in the Group of Death will have an influence. If Armagh top that group, and Donegal do not top their group, they have a one-third chance of meeting Dublin or Galway, and so one big gun is gone. If Armagh tops the group, then they cannot meet Dublin, Galway or Donegal, and so these teams are more likely to play Kerry, and they won't both be in the semi-final. So the pattern of games will be have influence on the QFs and your 4 teams might not all be there.
Of course they might not all be there. Its very early days. Just my tuppence worth.
Kevin McStay steps back from Mayo manager role for immediate future
Kevin McStay wishes to announce that he is stepping back from his role as Mayo senior football team manager for the immediate future to deal with some personal health issues.
Statement from Kevin McStay
"Mayo GAA Board and I are in strong agreement that current Assistant Manager / Head Coach Stephen Rochford will lead our preparations for upcoming games. We are blessed to have a man of Stephen's calibre and, as a valued member of the management team for the past three seasons, he ensures continuity. While I will not be on the training field or on the sideline on match day, I will be with management and players in spirit every step of the way,"
All the best to him, health comes first.
Speedy recovery to Kevin McStay.
Kerry will get to the knockout stages without playing a division 1 team so are going to be undercooked again. Don't see them beating a battle hardened Armagh or Donegal.
Quote from: thejuice on May 26, 2025, 07:53:56 PMSpeedy recovery to Kevin McStay.
Kerry will get to the knockout stages without playing a division 1 team so are going to be undercooked again. Don't see them beating a battle hardened Armagh or Donegal.
think we could beat them tbh.
What crowd we expecting for Dublin v Armagh?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 27, 2025, 01:57:08 PMWhat crowd we expecting for Dublin v Armagh?
Looks like lower tiers are going to be mostly full, upper tiers not currently on sale. So going by that, 40k or so?
Heard an interesting stat from Tommy Rooney on his podcast. Donegal have been beat in the last quarter of every championship game this year.
Their game plan clearly had them gassed on Saturday night and if results go as expected and they end up in prelim QFs then they'll really struggle down the stretch with 4 games in 5 weeks.
Will they be forced to play more long ball football to conserve energy or is it solid commitment to Jimmy handball for the rest of the year?
Can't be too encouraging to see them fall back to Murphy being MF, CHF and FF all in one on Saturday.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 27, 2025, 08:00:49 PMHeard an interesting stat from Tommy Rooney on his podcast. Donegal have been beat in the last quarter of every championship game this year.
Their game plan clearly had them gassed on Saturday night and if results go as expected and they end up in prelim QFs then they'll really struggle down the stretch with 4 games in 5 weeks.
Will they be forced to play more long ball football to conserve energy or is it solid commitment to Jimmy handball for the rest of the year?
Can't be too encouraging to see them fall back to Murphy being MF, CHF and FF all in one on Saturday.
Think all the top sides have question marks over them at the minute, Donegal look overly reliant on Murphy and as you say gassing in the last 15, Galway getting caught at home by Dublin who'd lost to Meath, questions over how both bounce back, Dublin themselves can they back up that big win against Galway or was that a sting of a dying wasp as someone said, Kerry were almost caught by Cork in Munster but look like they'll breeze through that group, will they be caught cold against a decent team like last year, Tyrone had a big performance against Donegal again can they back it up having been so inconsistent over the last few years, Armagh, look unstoppable and woeful at times in the same game, conceding goals is getting to be a bit of a worry given last year we only conceded 3 all year.
Even the chasing pack, Mayo would it surprise anyone that much if they dug out results against Tyrone and maybe even Donegal to go through, Derry showed enough in the last 10 mins or so of each half against us to give them belief of taking out Galway at home
Superb open championship and honestly anyones at this stage.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 27, 2025, 08:00:49 PMHeard an interesting stat from Tommy Rooney on his podcast. Donegal have been beat in the last quarter of every championship game this year.
Their game plan clearly had them gassed on Saturday night and if results go as expected and they end up in prelim QFs then they'll really struggle down the stretch with 4 games in 5 weeks.
Will they be forced to play more long ball football to conserve energy or is it solid commitment to Jimmy handball for the rest of the year?
Can't be too encouraging to see them fall back to Murphy being MF, CHF and FF all in one on Saturday.
I don't think it's good that murphy is starting and ending games. He was perfect for an impact sub (Campbell style with a half at least) but they seem too reliant on him and he runs out of steam. In saying that Mogan and mcbrearty starting will help a lot. They probably could get more out of Jamie Brennan too.
They looked very good in the league but tbh despite winning ulster they haven't looked like they've been firing.
I also think tyrone haven't found their best 15 yet either. I would expect change definitely round the half forward line at least.
I'd have a hope that Mayo learn from Tyrone's approach at the weekend, and trust themselves to take on their opponents at full throttle. Just leave the game management stuff behind.
Still likely wont have enough to win two games, but they do have the players to post a big score.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 27, 2025, 08:00:49 PMHeard an interesting stat from Tommy Rooney on his podcast. Donegal have been beat in the last quarter of every championship game this year.
Their game plan clearly had them gassed on Saturday night and if results go as expected and they end up in prelim QFs then they'll really struggle down the stretch with 4 games in 5 weeks.
Will they be forced to play more long ball football to conserve energy or is it solid commitment to Jimmy handball for the rest of the year?
Can't be too encouraging to see them fall back to Murphy being MF, CHF and FF all in one on Saturday.
I thought I remembered seeing Donegal kicking the ball in for scores in the Ulster final? Didn't look like either team kicked much on Saturday night, weather looked awful though.
Quote from: greatpoint on May 27, 2025, 10:00:57 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on May 27, 2025, 08:00:49 PMHeard an interesting stat from Tommy Rooney on his podcast. Donegal have been beat in the last quarter of every championship game this year.
Their game plan clearly had them gassed on Saturday night and if results go as expected and they end up in prelim QFs then they'll really struggle down the stretch with 4 games in 5 weeks.
Will they be forced to play more long ball football to conserve energy or is it solid commitment to Jimmy handball for the rest of the year?
Can't be too encouraging to see them fall back to Murphy being MF, CHF and FF all in one on Saturday.
I thought I remembered seeing Donegal kicking the ball in for scores in the Ulster final? Didn't look like either team kicked much on Saturday night, weather looked awful though.
It looks like everything has to go through Murphy and that's a problem
Quote from: greatpoint on May 27, 2025, 10:00:57 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on May 27, 2025, 08:00:49 PMHeard an interesting stat from Tommy Rooney on his podcast. Donegal have been beat in the last quarter of every championship game this year.
Their game plan clearly had them gassed on Saturday night and if results go as expected and they end up in prelim QFs then they'll really struggle down the stretch with 4 games in 5 weeks.
Will they be forced to play more long ball football to conserve energy or is it solid commitment to Jimmy handball for the rest of the year?
Can't be too encouraging to see them fall back to Murphy being MF, CHF and FF all in one on Saturday.
I thought I remembered seeing Donegal kicking the ball in for scores in the Ulster final? Didn't look like either team kicked much on Saturday night, weather looked awful though.
Think there was one ball put in by Roarty in 2nd half that went over everyone. Tyrone kicked more ball than Donegal and moved the ball out of defence via the foot significantly more.
The handball is in the Doengal DNA, even the u20s v Tyrone in ulster were almost exclusively a running team.
Imo they'll not make it past the QFs this year, they seem to be picking up a few injuries and they don't have the squad depth to handle it. Only way I see them getting to a semi final is a handy draw. The whole Jimmy being a football messiah is overblown in my humble opinion and they'll be found out.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 27, 2025, 10:39:44 PMQuote from: greatpoint on May 27, 2025, 10:00:57 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on May 27, 2025, 08:00:49 PMHeard an interesting stat from Tommy Rooney on his podcast. Donegal have been beat in the last quarter of every championship game this year.
Their game plan clearly had them gassed on Saturday night and if results go as expected and they end up in prelim QFs then they'll really struggle down the stretch with 4 games in 5 weeks.
Will they be forced to play more long ball football to conserve energy or is it solid commitment to Jimmy handball for the rest of the year?
Can't be too encouraging to see them fall back to Murphy being MF, CHF and FF all in one on Saturday.
I thought I remembered seeing Donegal kicking the ball in for scores in the Ulster final? Didn't look like either team kicked much on Saturday night, weather looked awful though.
Think there was one ball put in by Roarty in 2nd half that went over everyone. Tyrone kicked more ball than Donegal and moved the ball out of defence via the foot significantly more.
The handball is in the Doengal DNA, even the u20s v Tyrone in ulster were almost exclusively a running team.
Imo they'll not make it past the QFs this year, they seem to be picking up a few injuries and they don't have the squad depth to handle it. Only way I see them getting to a semi final is a handy draw. The whole Jimmy being a football messiah is overblown in my humble opinion and they'll be found out.
Kicking a couple of times more than Donegal in a game where neither kicked much ball doesn't exactly speak to your argument though does it? I think you might have just been looking for reason to say the latter though.
Tyrone look to have taken a lot from the game at the weekend. I wonder what the result would be if the two played again, don't think they could rely on Donegal shitting the bed a second time.
The proof will obviously be in the pudding. If Patton gets back, I'd give us a chance against anyone. I think our squad does drop off a bit past the first 19-20, which means we can't afford the likes of Jason McGee and Niall O'Donnell to not be available as was the case on Saturday.
As for Jim, his record speaks for itself.
Six seasons, five Ulster titles, one AI title, one runner up, two AI semis with this one still in progress. We're not Dublin or Kerry. Only the bitterest of rivals would not concede he is a superb manager and coach.
Quote from: J70 on May 28, 2025, 05:04:31 PMThe proof will obviously be in the pudding. If Patton gets back, I'd give us a chance against anyone. I think our squad does drop off a bit past the first 19-20, which means we can't afford the likes of Jason McGee and Niall O'Donnell to not be available as was the case on Saturday.
As for Jim, his record speaks for itself.
Six seasons, five Ulster titles, one AI title, one runner up, two AI semis with this one still in progress. We're not Dublin or Kerry. Only the bitterest of rivals would not concede he is a superb manager and coach.
Some record in fairness
Jim is an awesome coach i just wish he'd stop complaining about having to play games and blaming injuries on the rules when he's the man who determines the workload a far higher proportion of the time than 70mins on a Sunday
On a side note I'm unsure why he gets such a bye ball on Rory Gallagher
Quote from: tiempo on May 28, 2025, 05:39:28 PMJim is an awesome coach i just wish he'd stop complaining about having to play games and blaming injuries on the rules when he's the man who determines the workload a far higher proportion of the time than 70mins on a Sunday
On a side note I'm unsure why he gets such a bye ball on Rory Gallagher
Yeah, he doesn't hide his frustrations, that's for sure. And he's too self-righteous at times to the point he looks stupid and petty e.g. Declan Bogue. But I think he's also usually up front about his own team's failings.
Himself and Rory fell out hard in 2013.
Can't wait until sat. A win guarantees at least a home prelim QF. But could be a stepping stone to quarters.
Weekends predictions
Tyrone v Mayo - I expect a major backlash from Mayo here whether it will be enough is another question. I'll take a punt and say Mayo by 1.
Cavan - Donegal - Donegal will be back with a backlash here. Donegal by 9.
Cork v Kerry - Kerry will right the wrongs of the Munster clash. Kerry by 7.
Roscommon v Meath - Big chance for Meath to show that they have progressed this year against and underperforming Roscommon. Expect the Rossies to bounce back and Meath to show their flakiness once again. Roscommon by 5
Louth v Down - Local Derby here. Expect Down to keep their good form going here, unless Louth can clog them up. Down by 2
Monaghan v Clare - Monaghan by 15
Derry v Galway - Expect Galway to bounce back here. Galway by 7
Dublin v Armagh - Haven't a clue how this game will go. Either team could get a run on the other. If Armagh can keep it tight then the strength of their bench might be enough. Armagh by 3.
Do Louth and Down share a land border or does Armagh come in between?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 28, 2025, 06:33:29 PMDo Louth and Down share a land border or does Armagh come in between?
A border yes. A land border no.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 28, 2025, 07:16:09 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 28, 2025, 06:33:29 PMDo Louth and Down share a land border or does Armagh come in between?
A border yes. A land border no.
The new bridge at warrenpoint is it?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 28, 2025, 06:28:36 PMWeekends predictions
Tyrone v Mayo - I expect a major backlash from Mayo here whether it will be enough is another question. I'll take a punt and say Mayo by 1.
Cavan - Donegal - Donegal will be back with a backlash here. Donegal by 9.
Cork v Kerry - Kerry will right the wrongs of the Munster clash. Kerry by 7.
Roscommon v Meath - Big chance for Meath to show that they have progressed this year against and underperforming Roscommon. Expect the Rossies to bounce back and Meath to show their flakiness once again. Roscommon by 5
Louth v Down - Local Derby here. Expect Down to keep their good form going here, unless Louth can clog them up. Down by 2
Monaghan v Clare - Monaghan by 15
Derry v Galway - Expect Galway to bounce back here. Galway by 7
Dublin v Armagh - Haven't a clue how this game will go. Either team could get a run on the other. If Armagh can keep it tight then the strength of their bench might be enough. Armagh by 3.
. Meath flakey ? Most improved and perhaps most consistent team of the year. Every game barring Monaghan game could have won. And handed Roscommon their behind on a plate in league.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 28, 2025, 06:28:36 PMWeekends predictions
Tyrone v Mayo - I expect a major backlash from Mayo here whether it will be enough is another question. I'll take a punt and say Mayo by 1.
Cavan - Donegal - Donegal will be back with a backlash here. Donegal by 9.
Cork v Kerry - Kerry will right the wrongs of the Munster clash. Kerry by 7.
Roscommon v Meath - Big chance for Meath to show that they have progressed this year against and underperforming Roscommon. Expect the Rossies to bounce back and Meath to show their flakiness once again. Roscommon by 5
Louth v Down - Local Derby here. Expect Down to keep their good form going here, unless Louth can clog them up. Down by 2
Monaghan v Clare - Monaghan by 15
Derry v Galway - Expect Galway to bounce back here. Galway by 7
Dublin v Armagh - Haven't a clue how this game will go. Either team could get a run on the other. If Armagh can keep it tight then the strength of their bench might be enough. Armagh by 3.
Cavan Donegal is game of the weekend in many ways. Cavan know how to beat Donegal and with a home game, a win under their belt, and 'blood in the water' from a Donegal perspective, there's a big chance of an upset. If Mayo beat Tyrone on Saturday night it will tighten things further.
Louth can probably afford to lose against Down and still qualify, so you'd wonder where they will be at, but Down themselves will be holding something in reserve for a big push against Monaghan. That game is less crucial than it first appears as a result
Quote from: Dunneroyal on May 28, 2025, 07:39:20 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 28, 2025, 06:28:36 PMWeekends predictions
Tyrone v Mayo - I expect a major backlash from Mayo here whether it will be enough is another question. I'll take a punt and say Mayo by 1.
Cavan - Donegal - Donegal will be back with a backlash here. Donegal by 9.
Cork v Kerry - Kerry will right the wrongs of the Munster clash. Kerry by 7.
Roscommon v Meath - Big chance for Meath to show that they have progressed this year against and underperforming Roscommon. Expect the Rossies to bounce back and Meath to show their flakiness once again. Roscommon by 5
Louth v Down - Local Derby here. Expect Down to keep their good form going here, unless Louth can clog them up. Down by 2
Monaghan v Clare - Monaghan by 15
Derry v Galway - Expect Galway to bounce back here. Galway by 7
Dublin v Armagh - Haven't a clue how this game will go. Either team could get a run on the other. If Armagh can keep it tight then the strength of their bench might be enough. Armagh by 3.
. Meath flakey ? Most improved and perhaps most consistent team of the year. Every game barring Monaghan game could have won. And handed Roscommon their behind on a plate in league.
Showed their flakiness in their 2 most important games of the year when there was silverware on the line.
Both against Louth.
If they win this weekend I'll retract that statement but they have to prove it.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 28, 2025, 07:52:05 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on May 28, 2025, 07:39:20 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 28, 2025, 06:28:36 PMWeekends predictions
Tyrone v Mayo - I expect a major backlash from Mayo here whether it will be enough is another question. I'll take a punt and say Mayo by 1.
Cavan - Donegal - Donegal will be back with a backlash here. Donegal by 9.
Cork v Kerry - Kerry will right the wrongs of the Munster clash. Kerry by 7.
Roscommon v Meath - Big chance for Meath to show that they have progressed this year against and underperforming Roscommon. Expect the Rossies to bounce back and Meath to show their flakiness once again. Roscommon by 5
Louth v Down - Local Derby here. Expect Down to keep their good form going here, unless Louth can clog them up. Down by 2
Monaghan v Clare - Monaghan by 15
Derry v Galway - Expect Galway to bounce back here. Galway by 7
Dublin v Armagh - Haven't a clue how this game will go. Either team could get a run on the other. If Armagh can keep it tight then the strength of their bench might be enough. Armagh by 3.
. Meath flakey ? Most improved and perhaps most consistent team of the year. Every game barring Monaghan game could have won. And handed Roscommon their behind on a plate in league.
Showed their flakiness in their 2 most important games of the year when there was silverware on the line.
Both against Louth.
If they win this weekend I'll retract that statement but they have to prove it.
better team v Louth in Leinster final. And have little doubt of a victory on sat be surprised if it's not plus 7
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 28, 2025, 06:28:36 PMWeekends predictions
Tyrone v Mayo - I expect a major backlash from Mayo here whether it will be enough is another question. I'll take a punt and say Mayo by 1.
Tyrone by 4
Cavan - Donegal - Donegal will be back with a backlash here. Donegal by 9.
Donegal by 6
Cork v Kerry - Kerry will right the wrongs of the Munster clash. Kerry by 7.
Kerry by 3
Roscommon v Meath - Big chance for Meath to show that they have progressed this year against and underperforming Roscommon. Expect the Rossies to bounce back and Meath to show their flakiness once again. Roscommon by 5
Meath by 1
Louth v Down - Local Derby here. Expect Down to keep their good form going here, unless Louth can clog them up. Down by 2
Louth by 4
Monaghan v Clare - Monaghan by 15
Monaghan by 10
Derry v Galway - Expect Galway to bounce back here. Galway by 7
Derry by 2
Dublin v Armagh - Haven't a clue how this game will go. Either team could get a run on the other. If Armagh can keep it tight then the strength of their bench might be enough. Armagh by 3.
Armagh by 4
Quote from: Dunneroyal on May 28, 2025, 08:09:12 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 28, 2025, 07:52:05 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on May 28, 2025, 07:39:20 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 28, 2025, 06:28:36 PMWeekends predictions
Tyrone v Mayo - I expect a major backlash from Mayo here whether it will be enough is another question. I'll take a punt and say Mayo by 1.
Cavan - Donegal - Donegal will be back with a backlash here. Donegal by 9.
Cork v Kerry - Kerry will right the wrongs of the Munster clash. Kerry by 7.
Roscommon v Meath - Big chance for Meath to show that they have progressed this year against and underperforming Roscommon. Expect the Rossies to bounce back and Meath to show their flakiness once again. Roscommon by 5
Louth v Down - Local Derby here. Expect Down to keep their good form going here, unless Louth can clog them up. Down by 2
Monaghan v Clare - Monaghan by 15
Derry v Galway - Expect Galway to bounce back here. Galway by 7
Dublin v Armagh - Haven't a clue how this game will go. Either team could get a run on the other. If Armagh can keep it tight then the strength of their bench might be enough. Armagh by 3.
. Meath flakey ? Most improved and perhaps most consistent team of the year. Every game barring Monaghan game could have won. And handed Roscommon their behind on a plate in league.
Showed their flakiness in their 2 most important games of the year when there was silverware on the line.
Both against Louth.
If they win this weekend I'll retract that statement but they have to prove it.
better team v Louth in Leinster final. And have little doubt of a victory on sat be surprised if it's not plus 7
The fact Meath were the better team does that not further backup the fact that they were flaky when they seen the finish line?
Hope they beat Roscommon aswell but they have to prove that theyve made real progress this year instead of it being a flash in the pan.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 28, 2025, 07:16:09 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 28, 2025, 06:33:29 PMDo Louth and Down share a land border or does Armagh come in between?
A border yes. A land border no.
This is an important question. They may share a river border or a sea border, if the latter then Armagh is a coastal county.
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on May 28, 2025, 07:44:16 PMCavan Donegal is game of the weekend in many ways. Cavan know how to beat Donegal and with a home game, a win under their belt, and 'blood in the water' from a Donegal perspective, there's a big chance of an upset. If Mayo beat Tyrone on Saturday night it will tighten things further.
How does Cavan know how to beat Donegal? When did they last beat them? Whatever you say about Jimmy he was improved Donegal from their previous condition.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 28, 2025, 08:27:56 PMQuote from: Angus MacGyver on May 28, 2025, 07:44:16 PMCavan Donegal is game of the weekend in many ways. Cavan know how to beat Donegal and with a home game, a win under their belt, and 'blood in the water' from a Donegal perspective, there's a big chance of an upset. If Mayo beat Tyrone on Saturday night it will tighten things further.
How does Cavan know how to beat Donegal? When did they last beat them? Whatever you say about Jimmy he was improved Donegal from their previous condition.
Ulster Final 2020 Cavan 1-13 Donegal 0-12
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on May 28, 2025, 07:44:16 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 28, 2025, 06:28:36 PMWeekends predictions
Tyrone v Mayo - I expect a major backlash from Mayo here whether it will be enough is another question. I'll take a punt and say Mayo by 1.
Cavan - Donegal - Donegal will be back with a backlash here. Donegal by 9.
Cork v Kerry - Kerry will right the wrongs of the Munster clash. Kerry by 7.
Roscommon v Meath - Big chance for Meath to show that they have progressed this year against and underperforming Roscommon. Expect the Rossies to bounce back and Meath to show their flakiness once again. Roscommon by 5
Louth v Down - Local Derby here. Expect Down to keep their good form going here, unless Louth can clog them up. Down by 2
Monaghan v Clare - Monaghan by 15
Derry v Galway - Expect Galway to bounce back here. Galway by 7
Dublin v Armagh - Haven't a clue how this game will go. Either team could get a run on the other. If Armagh can keep it tight then the strength of their bench might be enough. Armagh by 3.
Cavan Donegal is game of the weekend in many ways. Cavan know how to beat Donegal and with a home game, a win under their belt, and 'blood in the water' from a Donegal perspective, there's a big chance of an upset. If Mayo beat Tyrone on Saturday night it will tighten things further.
Louth can probably afford to lose against Down and still qualify, so you'd wonder where they will be at, but Down themselves will be holding something in reserve for a big push against Monaghan. That game is less crucial than it first appears as a result
How do you figure Down will be holding themselves against Louth? I'd have thought it would be a case of going full tilt against Louth and then see how the land lies after that...
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on May 28, 2025, 09:01:57 PMQuote from: armaghniac on May 28, 2025, 08:27:56 PMQuote from: Angus MacGyver on May 28, 2025, 07:44:16 PMCavan Donegal is game of the weekend in many ways. Cavan know how to beat Donegal and with a home game, a win under their belt, and 'blood in the water' from a Donegal perspective, there's a big chance of an upset. If Mayo beat Tyrone on Saturday night it will tighten things further.
How does Cavan know how to beat Donegal? When did they last beat them? Whatever you say about Jimmy he was improved Donegal from their previous condition.
Ulster Final 2020 Cavan 1-13 Donegal 0-12
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Quote from: joemamas on May 28, 2025, 10:55:06 PMQuote from: Angus MacGyver on May 28, 2025, 09:01:57 PMQuote from: armaghniac on May 28, 2025, 08:27:56 PMQuote from: Angus MacGyver on May 28, 2025, 07:44:16 PMCavan Donegal is game of the weekend in many ways. Cavan know how to beat Donegal and with a home game, a win under their belt, and 'blood in the water' from a Donegal perspective, there's a big chance of an upset. If Mayo beat Tyrone on Saturday night it will tighten things further.
How does Cavan know how to beat Donegal? When did they last beat them? Whatever you say about Jimmy he was improved Donegal from their previous condition.
Ulster Final 2020 Cavan 1-13 Donegal 0-12
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Genuinely not winding on this one. Cavan were a width of a post from promotion and are gaining momentum, Donegal look leggy it has to be said. The prize is huge for Cavan and KBP will be buzzing. Nothing easy for Tir Conaill this weekend
Quote from: Dunneroyal on May 28, 2025, 08:09:12 PMbetter team v Louth in Leinster final.
Meath weren't the better team in scoring, in shots on goal and one of the main stats nowadays that sets a platform to win with these new rules which was kick outs won. Turnovers was the same I believe. Meath goal against the run of play 2nd half was your first for 15 minutes and last of that final.
It's three wins in a row Louth have got against Meath fair to say they are the better team of the two.
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Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 28, 2025, 08:17:16 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on May 28, 2025, 08:09:12 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 28, 2025, 07:52:05 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on May 28, 2025, 07:39:20 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 28, 2025, 06:28:36 PMWeekends predictions
Tyrone v Mayo - I expect a major backlash from Mayo here whether it will be enough is another question. I'll take a punt and say Mayo by 1.
Cavan - Donegal - Donegal will be back with a backlash here. Donegal by 9.
Cork v Kerry - Kerry will right the wrongs of the Munster clash. Kerry by 7.
Roscommon v Meath - Big chance for Meath to show that they have progressed this year against and underperforming Roscommon. Expect the Rossies to bounce back and Meath to show their flakiness once again. Roscommon by 5
Louth v Down - Local Derby here. Expect Down to keep their good form going here, unless Louth can clog them up. Down by 2
Monaghan v Clare - Monaghan by 15
Derry v Galway - Expect Galway to bounce back here. Galway by 7
Dublin v Armagh - Haven't a clue how this game will go. Either team could get a run on the other. If Armagh can keep it tight then the strength of their bench might be enough. Armagh by 3.
. Meath flakey ? Most improved and perhaps most consistent team of the year. Every game barring Monaghan game could have won. And handed Roscommon their behind on a plate in league.
Showed their flakiness in their 2 most important games of the year when there was silverware on the line.
Both against Louth.
If they win this weekend I'll retract that statement but they have to prove it.
better team v Louth in Leinster final. And have little doubt of a victory on sat be surprised if it's not plus 7
The fact Meath were the better team does that not further backup the fact that they were flaky when they seen the finish line?
Hope they beat Roscommon aswell but they have to prove that theyve made real progress this year instead of it being a flash in the pan.
Think the end v Louth was more to do with inexperience and bad calls from line. Menton should have been taken off as he was gassed , Curtis should have remained on and probably bring in mcentee to add a bit of aggression. So more to do with that then flaky. That been said I do agree that a win on Saturday will prove beyond doubt we most improved team this year
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 29, 2025, 12:27:26 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on May 28, 2025, 08:09:12 PMbetter team v Louth in Leinster final.
Meath weren't the better team in scoring, in shots on goal and one of the main stats nowadays that sets a platform to win with these new rules which was kick outs won. Turnovers was the same I believe. Meath goal against the run of play 2nd half was your first for 15 minutes and last of that final.
It's three wins in a row Louth have got against Meath fair to say they are the better team of the two.
not on the day. Meath should have been out of sight. Also you ignore the fact that louths 3rd goal was totally against the run of play . The penalty (seen them not be given) and a fluke 2nd goal. Add to the 2 point free that should not have been given I'd say it's pretty obvious that Meath were the better team on the day. No doubt the previous two meetings have been Louth but not the Leinster final.
Also I'd wager Meath will still be playing football while Louth are out. But we will see
Quote from: Dunneroyal on May 30, 2025, 10:31:54 AMQuote from: Cunny Funt on May 29, 2025, 12:27:26 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on May 28, 2025, 08:09:12 PMbetter team v Louth in Leinster final.
Meath weren't the better team in scoring, in shots on goal and one of the main stats nowadays that sets a platform to win with these new rules which was kick outs won. Turnovers was the same I believe. Meath goal against the run of play 2nd half was your first for 15 minutes and last of that final.
It's three wins in a row Louth have got against Meath fair to say they are the better team of the two.
not on the day. Meath should have been out of sight. Also you ignore the fact that louths 3rd goal was totally against the run of play . The penalty (seen them not be given) and a fluke 2nd goal. Add to the 2 point free that should not have been given I'd say it's pretty obvious that Meath were the better team on the day. No doubt the previous two meetings have been Louth but not the Leinster final.
Also I'd wager Meath will still be playing football while Louth are out. But we will see
Meath glasses on that view point of the game. Louth 3rd goal was against the run of play but it was Meath's only and best sustained period of play in the game which in 7 minutes and went from 3 behind to 4 in front. Best team on the day won the Leinster final you need to move on from it and something Meath can do if still be playing football this summer while Louth are out though the draw will likely decide the faith of both.
Anyone else willing to put their neck on the line with a few predictions?
Cavan v Donegal
Tyrone v Mayo
Cork v Kerry
Roscommon v Meath
Monaghan v Clare
Down v Louth
Derry v Galway
Dublin v Armagh
Cavan v Donegal
Tyrone v Mayo
Cork v Kerry
Roscommon v Meath
Monaghan v Clare
Down v Louth
Derry v Galway
Dublin v Armagh
Anyone else willing to put their neck on the line with a few predictions?
Cavan v Donegal
Tyrone v Mayo
Cork v Kerry
Roscommon v Meath
Monaghan v Clare
Down v Louth
Derry v Galway
Dublin v Armagh
TYRONE: Niall Morgan; Cormac Quinn, Peter Teague, Niall Devlin; Michael McKernan, Rory Brennan, Kieran McGeary; Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick; Seanie O'Donnell, Mattie Donnelly, Ciaran Daly; Darren McCurry, Mark Bradley, Darragh Canavan.
Subs: Oisin O'Kane, Padraig Hampsey, Aidan Clarke, Frank Burns, Shea O'Hare, Ben McDonnell, Aodhan Donaghy, Conor Meyler, Peter Harte, Ruairi Canavan, Eoin McElholm.
MAYO: Colm Reape; Jack Coyne, Donnacha McHugh, Rory Brickenden; Stephen Coen, David McBrien, Enda Hession; Dylan Thornton, Mattie Ruane; Jack Carney, Darren McHale, Jordan Flynn; Aidan O'Shea, Davitt Neary, Ryan O'Donoghue.
Subs: Adrian Phillips, Bob Tuohy, Conal Dawson, Eoin O'Donoghue, Fenton Kelly, Fergal Boland, Frank Irwin, Paddy Durcan, Paul Towey, Sam Callinan, Sean Morahan.
CORK: Micheal Aodh Martin; Sean Meehan, Daniel O'Mahony, Maurice Shanley; Brian O'Driscoll, Sean Powter, Matty Taylor; Ian Maguire, Colm O'Callaghan; Paul Walsh, Eoghan McSweeney, Sean McDonnell; Mark Cronin, Cathail O'Mahony, Chris Og Jones.
Subs: Patrick Doyle, Neil Lordan, Sean Brady, Rory Maguire, Luke Fahy, Sean Walsh, Conor Cahalane, Ruairi Deane, Eanna O'Hanlon, Hugh O'Connor, Brian Hurley.
KERRY: Shane Ryan; Dylan Casey, Jason Foley, Tom O'Sullivan; Brian O Beaglaoich, Mike Breen, Gavin White; Joe O'Connor, Barry Dan O'Sullivan; Graham O'Sullivan, Paudie Clifford, Sean O'Shea; David Clifford, Paul Geaney, Micheal Burns.
Subs: Shane Murphy, Tadhg Morley, Dylan Geaney, Armin Heinrich, Paul Murphy, Tony Brosnan, Conor Geaney, Mark O'Shea, Killian Spillane, Evan Looney, Sean O'Brien.
ROSCOMMON: Conor Carroll; Niall Higgins, Colm Neary, David Murray; Ronan Daly, Brian Stack, Senan Lambe; Eddie Nolan, Keith Doyle; Dylan Ruane, Ciarain Murtagh, Conor Hand; Daire Cregg, Enda Smith, Ben O'Carroll.
Subs: Aaron Brady, Robbie Dolan, Pearse Frost, Ruaidhri Fallon, Shane Cunnane, Diarmuid Murtagh, Donie Smith, Cian McKeon, Shane Killoran, Declan Kenny, Conor Cox.
MEATH: Billy Hogan; Seamus Lavin, Sean Rafferty, Ronan Ryan; Donal Keogan, Sean Coffey, Ciaran Caulfield; Jack Flynn, Bryan Menton; Conor Duke, Ruairi Kinsella, Mathew Costello; Jordan Morris, James Conlon, Eoghan Frayne.
Subs: Sean Brennan, Adam O'Neill, Brian O'Halloran, Cathal Hickey, Eoin Harkin, James McEntee, Cian McBride, Conor Gray, Shane Walsh, Keith Curtis, Aaron Lynch.
DOWN: Ronan Burns; Patrick McCarthy, Peter Fegan, Ceilum Doherty; Ryan Magill, Pierce Laverty, Miceal Rooney; Daniel Guinness, Ryan McEvoy; Danny Magill, Odhran Murdock, Eugene Branagan; James Guinness, Pat Havern, John McGeough.
Subs: John O'Hare, Finn McElroy, Aaron McClements, Donal Scullion, Shay Millar, Adam Crimmins, Oisin Savage, Caolan Mooney, Finn Murdock, Patrick Brooks, Conor McCrickard.
LOUTH: Niall McDonnell; Daire Nally, Dermot Campbell, Donal McKenny; Conal McKeever, Peter Lynch, Craig Lennon; Tommy Durnin, Ciaran Byrne; Bevan Duffy, Ciaran Downey, Conor Grimes; Ciaran Keenan, Sam Mulroy, Ryan Burns.
Subs: Tiarnan Markey, Liam Jackson, Anthony Williams, Emmet Carolan, Kieran McArdle, Dara McDonnell, Dan Corcoran, Conor Branigan, Ryan Walsh, Dylan McKeown, Paul Matthews.
CAVAN: Liam Brady; Niall Carolan, Brian O'Connell, Cian Reilly; Padraig Faulkner, Ciaran Brady, Killian Brady; Evan Crowe, Oisin Kiernan; Gerard Smith, Dara McVeety, Jason McLoughlin; Ryan O'Neill, Ryan Donohoe, Cormac O'Reilly.
Subs: Gary O'Rourke, Luke Fortune, Killian Clarke, Luke Molloy, Cian Madden, Gearoid McKiernan, James Smith, Thomas Edward Donohoe, Oisin Brady, Paddy Lynch, Sean McEvoy.
DONEGAL: Shaun Patton; Finbarr Roarty, Brendan McCole, Peadar Mogan; Ryan McHugh, Eoghan Ban Gallagher, Ciaran Moore; Hugh McFadden, Michael Langan; Daire O Baoill, Ciaran Thompson, Shane O'Donnell; Patrick McBrearty, Michael Murphy, Oisin Gallen.
Subs: Gavin Mulreany, Stephen McMenamin, Odhran McFadden Ferry, Caolan McColgan, Mark Curran, Odhran Doherty, Aaron Doherty, Eoin McHugh, Jamie Brennan, Conor O'Donnell, Domhnall MacGilla Bhride.
MONAGHAN: Rory Beggan; Ryan Wylie, Kieran Duffy, Dylan Byrne; Ryan O'Toole, Dessie Ward, Conor McCarthy; Micheal McCarville, Gary Mohan; Stephen O'Hanlon, Micheal Bannigan, Ryan McAnespie; Jack McCarron, Andrew Woods, Stephen Mooney.
Subs: Kian Mulligan, Louis Kelly, Gavin McPhillips, Darren Hughes, Aaron Carey, Ciaran McNulty, Barry McBennett, Killian Lavelle, Jason Irwin, David Garland, Karl O'Connell.
CLARE: Eamon Tubridy; Manus Doherty, Ronan Lanigan, Rory McMahon; Alan Sweeney, Fionn Kelleher, Ikem Ugweuru; Brian McNamara, Emmet McMahon; Conor Meaney, Dermot Coughlan, Shane Griffin; Mark McInerney, Eoin Cleary, Aaron Griffin.
Subs: Tristan O'Callaghan, Daniel Walsh, Jamie Stack, Darragh Burns, Evan Cahill, Darren Nagle, Gavan Murray, Diarmuid O'Donnell, Joseph Rafferty, Cillian McGroary, Keelan Sexton.
Galway,Dublin,Armagh,Dublin teams already posted up.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 30, 2025, 02:42:37 PMAnyone else willing to put their neck on the line with a few predictions?
Cavan v Donegal - Donegal by 4
Tyrone v Mayo - Tyrone by 6
Cork v Kerry - Kerry by 8
Roscommon v Meath - Rossies by 3
Monaghan v Clare - Monaghan by 12
Down v Louth - Down by 2
Derry v Galway - Draw
Dublin v Armagh - Armagh by 2
Cavan v Donegal
Tyrone v Mayo
Cork v Kerry
Roscommon v Meath - Draw
Monaghan v Clare
Down v Louth - Draw
Derry v Galway
Dublin v Armagh
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 30, 2025, 02:42:37 PMAnyone else willing to put their neck on the line with a few predictions?
Cavan v Donegal By 9
Tyrone v Mayo by 1
Cork v Kerry by 8
Roscommon v Meath by 3
Monaghan v Clare by 11
Down v Louth by 2
Derry v Galway by 3
Dublin v Armagh by 1
Donegal by 5
Tyrone by 4
Kerry by 7
Roscommon by 3
Monaghan by 14
Down by 2
Galway by 4
Armagh by 3
Donegal by 4
Tyrone by 2
Kerry by 10
Roscommon by 3
Monaghan by 8
Down by
Galway by 5
Dublin by 2
Cavan v Donegal - DRAW
Tyrone v Mayo - Tyrone by 2
Cork v Kerry - Kerry by 3
Roscommon v Meath - Meath by 1
Monaghan v Clare - Monaghan by 12
Down v Louth - Down by 2
Derry v Galway - Derry by 2
Dublin v Armagh - Armagh by 1
Cavan v Donegal -
Tyrone v Mayo
Cork v Kerry
Roscommon v Meath
Monaghan v Clare -
Down v Louth
Derry v Galway
Dublin v Armagh
Can see Cavan giving Donegal a lot of trouble, dont see Mayo clicking into gear, nor Derry tbh.
Cavan v Donegal
Tyrone v Mayo
Cork v Kerry
Roscommon v Meath
Monaghan v Clare
Down v Louth
Derry v Galway
Dublin v Armagh
Least confident in Roscommon, Down and Armagh. Pretty sure on the rest.
Down Meath Tyrone Dublin Cavan 72/1
9/1 without cavan
Not sure where the faith in Cavan is coming from. They'll be soundly beaten tomorrow.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 31, 2025, 12:26:59 AMNot sure where the faith in Cavan is coming from. They'll be soundly beaten tomorrow.
I'm, likewise, bemused. We dispensed with a very frail Mayo team on the day last time out, and it delighted us all, don't get me wrong. But to conflate that victory with some sort of notion we belong at the top table among the Donegals of this world is a bit of a stretch. Donegal are proper elite and will be spitting fire after last weekend and Cavan are more likely to throw in the towel early if the opponent, who'll be nothing like as vulnerable or neurotic as Mayo, show signs of outclassing them like Tyrone did. I wouldn't say the win v Mayo has ignited much confidence in a dwindling support base that should be well-bitten enough over the last few years to stay good and shy ahead of this one. Obviously would dearly love to be wrong.
Cavan v Donegal - Donegal by 6+
Tyrone v Mayo - Tyrone by 6+
Cork v Kerry - Cork. They're just about ridiculous enough to pull off a shock here
Roscommon v Meath - Draw
Monaghan v Clare - Monaghan by 8+
Down v Louth - Louth by a whisker.
Derry v Galway
Dublin v Armagh
4 All Ireland and 3 TC games on today, 0 on rte and 2 behind a paywall according to score beo app. Poor enough work.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 31, 2025, 06:02:15 AM4 All Ireland and 3 TC games on today, 0 on rte and 2 behind a paywall according to score beo app. Poor enough work.
If the aim of the suits of the gaa is not to promote the Premier competetion they are certainly doing a brilliant job . Never saw such a lack of interest in the all ireland series and it will be all over in a few weeks
and before anyone says some people have no interest in the gaa , well some people have no interest in rugby and that doesn't stop rte showing matches practically every week of the year.
Quote from: small white mayoman on May 31, 2025, 06:48:04 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 31, 2025, 06:02:15 AM4 All Ireland and 3 TC games on today, 0 on rte and 2 behind a paywall according to score beo app. Poor enough work.
If the aim of the suits of the gaa is not to promote the Premier competetion they are certainly doing a brilliant job . Never saw such a lack of interest in the all ireland series and it will be all over in a few weeks
and before anyone says some people have no interest in the gaa , well some people have no interest in rugby and that doesn't stop rte showing matches practically every week of the year.
I genuinely think the Armagh Dublin game could be an all time classic game, with how both teams looked the last day and with the new rules in Croker. Derry Galway and Louth Down will be 2 battles and should be highly entertaining. Mayo Tyrone could be an unbelievable game as well depending on which version of those teams turns up.
I would expect Galway to beat Derry handy enough (hope I am wrong but don't think Derry that level these days). Down Louth should be interesting.
I would be surprised if Cavan get the result some expecting.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 31, 2025, 08:16:55 AMI would expect Galway to beat Derry handy enough (hope I am wrong but don't think Derry that level these days). Down Louth should be interesting.
I would be surprised if Cavan get the result some expecting.
Would be surprised but it would be great for Cavan, people often forget about them because of all the quality sides in the Ulster Championship.
Quote from: small white mayoman on May 31, 2025, 06:48:04 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 31, 2025, 06:02:15 AM4 All Ireland and 3 TC games on today, 0 on rte and 2 behind a paywall according to score beo app. Poor enough work.
If the aim of the suits of the gaa is not to promote the Premier competetion they are certainly doing a brilliant job . Never saw such a lack of interest in the all ireland series and it will be all over in a few weeks
and before anyone says some people have no interest in the gaa , well some people have no interest in rugby and that doesn't stop rte showing matches practically every week of the year.
I'm not sure about the lack of interest claim.
It's definitely increases this year and the format is working very well.
I agree that there is should be a game on RTE today though
Interest will always be there but for me the format far too rushed and needs more breathing room. Today all are at round 2 in the groups and It's just 8 weeks to the All Ireland final. Teams will strong All Ireland ambitions will be looking to top their group as if not it's 6 games in 8 weeks.
What was the medical episode mostly took?
Heard he may have had a breakdown hope he is okay
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 30, 2025, 02:42:37 PMAnyone else willing to put their neck on the line with a few predictions?
Cavan v Donegal
Tyrone v Mayo
Cork v Kerry Kerry by 4
Roscommon v Meath Meath by 7
Monaghan v Clare Monaghan by 8
Down v Louth
Derry v Galway Galway by 6
Dublin v Armagh Dublin by 4.
My thinking
Quote from: Dunneroyal on May 31, 2025, 01:43:20 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 30, 2025, 02:42:37 PMAnyone else willing to put their neck on the line with a few predictions?
Cavan v Donegal
Tyrone v Mayo
Cork v Kerry Kerry by 4
Roscommon v Meath Meath by 7
Monaghan v Clare Monaghan by 8
Down v Louth
Derry v Galway Galway by 6
Dublin v Armagh Dublin by 4.
My thinking
Oh and Down v Louth Down by 4
Donegal by 3+
Tyrone by 2+
Kerry by 4+
Meath
Monaghan by 10+
Down
Galway by 3+
Dublin by 2+
Serious wind blowing this evening, shame it could lessen the quality of the game.
Cork are a Tailtean cup team.
Utter garbage.
Quote from: 5times5times on May 31, 2025, 04:58:20 PMCork are a Tailtean cup team.
Utter garbage.
They should be ahead
Quote from: 5times5times on May 31, 2025, 04:58:20 PMCork are a Tailtean cup team.
Utter garbage.
Cork 0-6 Kerry 1-4 the latest.
Kerry defence is wide open.
Kerry defence isn't very good either.
Showing here they've played such lowly ranked teams so far this year.
Why no hawk eye for that Kerry score that looked like it was over the post at best? I thought Pairc Ui Chaoimh had hawk eye
Plenty of available standing room behind both goals.
Half time Cork 0-13 Kerry 1-7
Yehooo. Fecking ulster teams fighting eh
;D
Bit of a bust up at Half Time there.
Could be a couple of suspensions incoming. For Armagh.
Ulster teams at it again.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 31, 2025, 05:26:58 PMBit of a bust up at Half Time there.
Could be a couple of suspensions incoming. For Armagh.
All Geezers fault.
Wind? Paudie injured?
Game needed that schmozzle. By a distance the most interesting thing to happen so far.
Kerry will win by 10+ btw. Considerable number of lads on the team who don't belong at this level at all. And the level do far has been shite.
Hope Kerry play like this against us.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 31, 2025, 05:31:04 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 31, 2025, 05:26:58 PMBit of a bust up at Half Time there.
Could be a couple of suspensions incoming. For Armagh.
All Geezers fault.
Ye are gas
These 50m penalties for midfield contests are a blight
Quote from: Tubberman on May 31, 2025, 06:04:26 PMThese 50m penalties for midfield contests are a blight
Absolute bollocks!! It needs to go
Quote from: screenexile on May 31, 2025, 06:04:51 PMQuote from: Tubberman on May 31, 2025, 06:04:26 PMThese 50m penalties for midfield contests are a blight
Absolute bollocks!! It needs to go
Totally agree, farcical
So the 4m rule trumps charging now??!!
It's made a balls of the second half. Also being able to take a free back outside the arc when the foul was inside is nonsense
Quote from: joemamas on May 31, 2025, 06:05:36 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 31, 2025, 06:04:51 PMQuote from: Tubberman on May 31, 2025, 06:04:26 PMThese 50m penalties for midfield contests are a blight
Absolute bollocks!! It needs to go
Totally agree, farcical
Any way we can also make the advantage rule free adjusted to a 10 second advantage, drives me crazy, that play can go on for potentially 30 seconds and then called back for a free.
Quote from: Jayop on May 31, 2025, 06:12:34 PMIt's made a balls of the second half. Also being able to take a free back outside the arc when the foul was inside is nonsense
I haven't noticed that?? I didn't think that was allowed?
Quote from: screenexile on May 31, 2025, 06:15:46 PMQuote from: Jayop on May 31, 2025, 06:12:34 PMIt's made a balls of the second half. Also being able to take a free back outside the arc when the foul was inside is nonsense
I haven't noticed that?? I didn't think that was allowed?
Seemed like kerry brought the ball back twice from where the ref originally pointed for the free. Maybe I'm wrong.
That Cork team are a waste of time.
Blessed with brilliant athletes and some decent forwards and a strong midfield.
But totally lack any structure.
Imagine what a good outside manager could do with them.
willie Hegarty has obviously had a serious amount of caffine today, he is a legand.
sounds like a great game
rossies ahead by 2-2 to 0-6
Quote from: joemamas on May 31, 2025, 06:20:59 PMwillie Hegarty has obviously had a serious amount of caffine today, he is a legand.
sounds like a great game
rossies ahead by 2-2 to 0-6
He's a great man to keep going for his age
Quote from: joemamas on May 31, 2025, 06:20:59 PMwillie Hegarty has obviously had a serious amount of caffine today, he is a legand.
sounds like a great game
rossies ahead by 2-2 to 0-6
Meath have the wind 19 mins gone
Down 10-1 up already??
Quote from: joemamas on May 31, 2025, 06:22:30 PMQuote from: joemamas on May 31, 2025, 06:20:59 PMwillie Hegarty has obviously had a serious amount of caffine today, he is a legand.
sounds like a great game
rossies ahead by 2-2 to 0-6
Meath have the wind 19 mins gone
Meath 0-11 Rossies 2-2 , a bunch of 2 pointers for meath
It was bad for both sides but in the 2nd half a Kerry man went up and was challenged in the air fair and square. Came down and fell into the back of an opponent. He was on his knees so couldn't play on anyway and it gets moved up and Clifford pops over a 2-pointer.
Lads will be playing for these more and more as the games get bigger.
What is happening with Louth?!
Quote from: joemamas on May 31, 2025, 06:28:31 PMQuote from: joemamas on May 31, 2025, 06:22:30 PMQuote from: joemamas on May 31, 2025, 06:20:59 PMwillie Hegarty has obviously had a serious amount of caffine today, he is a legand.
sounds like a great game
rossies ahead by 2-2 to 0-6
Meath have the wind 19 mins gone
Meath 0-11 Rossies 2-2 , a bunch of 2 pointers for meath
HT
Meath 0-16 Roscommon 2-5
i hope the wind is very strong for Roscommon's sake, they sound like they are getting cleaned out.
Quote from: screenexile on May 31, 2025, 06:15:46 PMQuote from: Jayop on May 31, 2025, 06:12:34 PMIt's made a balls of the second half. Also being able to take a free back outside the arc when the foul was inside is nonsense
I haven't noticed that?? I didn't think that was allowed?
That's been part of the game since the rules were introduced
Quote from: thebigfullforward on May 31, 2025, 06:46:58 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 31, 2025, 06:15:46 PMQuote from: Jayop on May 31, 2025, 06:12:34 PMIt's made a balls of the second half. Also being able to take a free back outside the arc when the foul was inside is nonsense
I haven't noticed that?? I didn't think that was allowed?
That's been part of the game since the rules were introduced
Only when brought forward. You can't take a free won inside the arc for a jersey tug for example back outside.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on May 31, 2025, 06:46:58 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 31, 2025, 06:15:46 PMQuote from: Jayop on May 31, 2025, 06:12:34 PMIt's made a balls of the second half. Also being able to take a free back outside the arc when the foul was inside is nonsense
I haven't noticed that?? I didn't think that was allowed?
That's been part of the game since the rules were introduced
No, you can't bring it out for fouls that happened inside the arc as far as I know.
I think you can only bring it out for the ball brought up 50m
Correct!
Tyrone not at the races so far v Mayo
Kennedy a big miss. Down Louth fairly tightening up.
Tyrone brutal so far.
Now McCurry missing straightforward fress
Would be better fielding the u20 team atm
Looks like the old hunger issue thus far.. Mayo fired up after recent defeat, Tyrone basking in Donegal win.. need to get up for this.
Not sure the U20s is the solution tho considering first half they had against Louth... not bate yet
Aaron Kernan thinks it's maybe a hangover.... he hasn't realised it's because they are playing in Omagh they always absolutely shite there.
Take these games to Dungannon.
There's several Tyrone players that have barely touched leather.
Don't know what's worse. The Tyrone performance or the shite picture quality
Mayo so much better than the Cavan game. Tyrone forwards aren't getting a sniff.
AOS is causing them all sort of problems.
A joke how slack the Tyrone players are treating the ball.
Quote from: Grace Murphy on May 31, 2025, 07:28:55 PMAaron Kernan thinks it's maybe a hangover.... he hasn't realised it's because they are playing in Omagh they always absolutely shite there.
Take these games to Dungannon.
Love this comment! Don't know would they play better but certainly Omagh is a soulless kip. Would love to see games go back to Dungannon.
Was that really a free?
Think it was. He had hand on his shoulder. Which is why Canavan tried to dunt him off imo.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 31, 2025, 07:37:15 PMWas that really a free?
On Darragh? Definitely, was grabbed and pulled by the shoulder having beaten the man straight up.
Shocker
Morgan was having a poor game up until that goal. Wasn't surprised to see him dropping it.
Didn't see that coming.
Could hook any number of players now.
Worst Tyrone performance in a long long time. Only Donnelly came out of that half with any credit.
What the absolute fcuk was Morgan doing. Idiotic.
Plus Coldrick completely ignoring a blatant AoS push on one of our players a few sec before
Quote from: tyroneman on May 31, 2025, 07:42:08 PMWhat the absolute fcuk was Morgan doing. Idiotic.
Plus Coldrick completely ignoring a blatant AoS push on one of our players a few sec before
Plus aos pulling down conn when he went to collect the kick out
Quote from: tyroneman on May 31, 2025, 07:42:08 PMWhat the absolute fcuk was Morgan doing. Idiotic.
Plus Coldrick completely ignoring a blatant AoS push on one of our players a few sec before
Ah give over, if you want that called a free there'd never be any football played.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 31, 2025, 07:41:40 PMDidn't see that coming.
Had a feeling this could happen. Too much hype about Tyrone beating Donegal. Mayo had a point to prove after the Cavan game. Plus Rochford in as manager and this is the result.
Refs made a few errors but he's nowhere near the man to blame for this
All McCurry has done is kick a straight forward free wide. Offered nothing else.
Quote from: clarshack on May 31, 2025, 07:46:39 PMAll McCurry has done is kick a straight forward free wide. Offered nothing else.
Bradley has done even less.
I tried to warn yous there was a Mayo ambush coming.
Half forward line a bit more of an issue than ff line.
please dont forget, it is my Mayo you are playing.
Mind you, the debutants for Mayo are getting stuck in.
Is this another example of a flat performance following the seven day turnaround?
Ros drew with Meath
2-15 to 0-21
Down beat Louth by a point.
It looks like Mayo have 3 extra men
What on earth was Paddy Duncan doing there.
How is it only a e point game lol
3 points!
Tyrone can't stop coughing it up cheaply. Terrible decisions to run the ball, awful handling. That last one from Bradley was appalling.
Quote from: gallsman on May 31, 2025, 08:12:24 PMTyrone can't stop coughing it up cheaply. Terrible decisions to run the ball, awful handling. That last one from Bradley was appalling.
Rightly hooked on the back of it
Tyrone have improved but mayo have been brutal this half too.
McKernan has been very poor on the ball.
Coldrick has given two if not three questionable frees to Tyrone
He has, his normal running game not working as Mayo defence on top. Why we're not kicking long more I don't know. MD winning most balls going in his direction.
Never seen as many easy balls dropped by Tyrone. Handling is atrocious
That kilpatrick one in particular was a very poor decision.
Quote from: joemamas on May 31, 2025, 08:18:05 PMColdrick has given two if not three questionable frees to Tyrone
And another one. Very very soft time & again
Quote from: joemamas on May 31, 2025, 08:18:05 PMColdrick has given two if not three questionable frees to Tyrone
I think both teams could claim that. Not requiring much contact for a foul.
Quote from: 5times5times on May 31, 2025, 08:20:36 PMQuote from: joemamas on May 31, 2025, 08:18:05 PMColdrick has given two if not three questionable frees to Tyrone
And another one. Very very soft time & again
Ah come on. Mayo got all the 50/50s in the first half.
Tyrone's purple patch over?
Similar Tyrone performance to the league game in McHale park.
O'hare struggling a bit.
These kickouts again ffs. I'd love to see the kickouts won stats after the game because Mayo seem to have won everything that's went long
Tyrone tackling poor. Getting caught out badly.
Those last couple of frees given away by O'Hare have killed Tyrone's momentum.
Another bollocks rule
Quote from: gallsman on May 31, 2025, 08:25:23 PMThose last couple of frees given away by O'Hare have killed Tyrone's momentum.
Struggling badly unfortunately.
Be a different story in midfield with Kennedy on but on the balance of it here mayo are just the better team.
Donnelly at FF was causing bother but they can't even get the ball near him now.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 31, 2025, 08:28:00 PMQuote from: gallsman on May 31, 2025, 08:25:23 PMThose last couple of frees given away by O'Hare have killed Tyrone's momentum.
Struggling badly unfortunately.
A fairly ignominious performance.
What the f**k is Kilpatrick at there?! Tyrone's first time inside the 45 in about 10 mins and he does that.
Is McKernan immune from slabbering punishments?
A throw ball and a dive. Penalty. f**k off
Not sure about that one now. Basically fell over after the pass from O'Shea.
Quote from: gallsman on May 31, 2025, 08:25:23 PMThose last couple of frees given away by O'Hare have killed Tyrone's momentum.
Said the exact same thing.
Quote from: gallsman on May 31, 2025, 08:30:14 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 31, 2025, 08:28:00 PMQuote from: gallsman on May 31, 2025, 08:25:23 PMThose last couple of frees given away by O'Hare have killed Tyrone's momentum.
Struggling badly unfortunately.
A fairly ignominious performance.
What the f**k is Kilpatrick at there?! Tyrone's first time inside the 45 in about 10 mins and he does that.
Sure why would you pass the ball to a Canavan pretty much through on goal. That wouldn't make any sense
Incredible that Cormac Quinn has been kept on Ryan O'Donoghue. Been absolutely destroyed
Cavan, tails up, at a neutral venue will not be easy.
Not if this shitshow is repeated
I don't mean this in a snarky way at all but I genuinely forgot Ruairi Caravan had come on until the commentator said it there. Not one of the Tyrone changes has worked. That McGeary point feels like his involvement this half as well.
Tyrone still not able to put back to back performances together in over 3 years.
Kennedy clearly a massive player for tyrone.
Tackling and handling still a major issue for tyrone
It's as bad a Tyrone performance as there has been in years.
Impressive ambush win for Mayo and full value for the margin of victory. Less will taking Tyrone up as All-Ireland champions to be this week.
Quote from: gallsman on May 31, 2025, 08:38:21 PMI don't mean this in a snarky way at all but I genuinely forgot Ruairi Caravan had come on until the commentator said it there. Not one of the Tyrone changes has worked. That McGeary point feels like his involvement this half as well.
100%.
Ruairi massively overrated. Darragh has been out of the picture for the last 3 games.
As soon as teams figured out that McCurry is tyrones only danger we were in bother.
The fact that they got the gap down to 3 points and looked like they might pull it off, and that for the first part of the second half Mayo were every bit as bad as Tyrone had been in the first, to go and lose like that is brutal.
Mayo thoroughly deserved winners there. After Ballybofey I genuinely thought Tyrone would be right up there with the contenders and then with the feel good factor after the U20s figured they'd put in an absolute show. On that evidence they look as far away from an AI as ever. FWIW I don't think Mayo are any closer.
It's just really nice to see Mayo playing front foot football.
Welcome back lads. Now stick around for the summer, please.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 31, 2025, 08:42:28 PMImpressive ambush win for Mayo and full value for the margin of victory. Less will taking Tyrone up as All-Ireland champions to be this week.
Ambush is a bit strong Mayo had one bad performance and Tyrone one good one before this.
Morgan score 0.4? Definitely gave away at least that amount too. Thought Mayo were gone for the year, fair play to them. One swallow etc... more revision of betting and Pod shite talk.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 31, 2025, 08:50:18 PMMorgan score 0.4? Definitely gave away at least that amount too. Thought Mayo were gone for the year, fair play to them. One swallow etc... more revision of betting and Pod shite talk.
Mayo still getting eliminated
Quote from: clarshack on May 31, 2025, 08:35:18 PMIncredible that Cormac Quinn has been kept on Ryan O'Donoghue. Been absolutely destroyed
Niall Devlin was marking him up until he hit the post at the start of the 2nd half. Both didn't have a good time on him.
Quinn Is a fouling machine. :o
Quote from: Grace Murphy on May 31, 2025, 08:51:16 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 31, 2025, 08:50:18 PMMorgan score 0.4? Definitely gave away at least that amount too. Thought Mayo were gone for the year, fair play to them. One swallow etc... more revision of betting and Pod shite talk.
Mayo still getting eliminated
Probably, but top of the table for a few hours anyway!
A badly needed boost to themselves as much as to the supporters I'd say. They can throw everything at Donegal now, otherwise they're more than likely gone.
Maybe that's what suits them, the cautious stuff certainly doesn't.
Bad result (other than Mayo) for all teams in the group.
Probably the worst result for Cavan.
Two average teams who can cause an upset, but won't be near Silverware.
Donegal v Mayo will be a plum tie now.
Mayo will still more than likely finish bottom.
As good as they were today I can't see them beating Donegal but could be wrong.
If Tyrone beat Cavan, and Donegal beat both Cavan and Mayo, does it come down to H2H between the teams with two wins and the teams with one respectively?
Quote from: gallsman on May 31, 2025, 09:00:28 PMIf Tyrone beat Cavan, and Donegal beat both Cavan and Mayo, does it come down to H2H between the teams with two wins save the teams with one respectively?
Yes head to head with 2 teams level. Score difference with 3 or more.
Quote from: screenexile on May 31, 2025, 08:47:34 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on May 31, 2025, 08:42:28 PMImpressive ambush win for Mayo and full value for the margin of victory. Less will taking Tyrone up as All-Ireland champions to be this week.
Ambush is a bit strong Mayo had one bad performance and Tyrone one good one before this.
Yet you had people talking about All—Irelands after last weekend
Quote from: tyroneman on May 31, 2025, 08:36:25 PMCavan, tails up, at a neutral venue will not be easy.
Not if this shitshow is repeated
Cavan will tuck tail once Tyrone turn up the heat at all. As sure as night follows day. Unless they show something against Donegal tomorrow, to suggest they've they're no longer as psychologically brittle as they've shown umpteen times over the years (and I don't necessarily mean winning it) then I don't see us changing the pattern of multiple capitulations v Tyrone, our ultimate bête noir. At best a moral victory before yielding in the deciding minutes, like in Breffni last year.
What happens in the following scenarios,
group ends with
Donegal 4pts
Tyrone 4pts
Mayo 2pts
Cavan 2pts
or
Donegal 4pts
Cavan 4pts
Mayo 2pts
Tyrone 2pts
will it be head to head or point differential
Thanks in advance
Quote from: cavanmaniac on May 31, 2025, 09:05:39 PMQuote from: tyroneman on May 31, 2025, 08:36:25 PMCavan, tails up, at a neutral venue will not be easy.
Not if this shitshow is repeated
Cavan will tuck tail once Tyrone turn up the heat at all. As sure as night follows day. Unless they show something against Donegal tomorrow, to suggest they've they're no longer as psychologically brittle as they've shown umpteen times over the years (and I don't necessarily mean winning it) then I don't see us changing the pattern of multiple capitulations v Tyrone, our ultimate bête noir. At best a moral victory before yielding in the deciding minutes, like in Breffni last year.
The run has to end sometime.
H2H if two teams on same points, points difference if more than 2 on same points.
Mayo very deserving winners there and in all honesty Tyrone were fortunate enough to get back within a point in the second half. The way Mayo reacted to that was very impressive.
I know the media there are presenting it as something of a shock but in reality there isn't much between those teams. Tyrone are a work in progress and remains to be seen exactly where they are. Mayo, despite the last two defeats, are still a hugely talented team.
From Tyrone point of view Kennedy and Hampsey were missed but overall just pretty flat and disjointed. Need a reaction against Cavan to keep it going and build on improved performances. Really need to ensure they at very least make it out the group. And if they do take it from there.
Hope our old friend Farandeelin was looking down and enjoying that performance.
When will they announce r3 venues ?
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 31, 2025, 09:33:55 PMMayo very deserving winners there and in all honesty Tyrone were fortunate enough to get back within a point in the second half. The way Mayo reacted to that was very impressive.
I know the media there are presenting it as something of a shock but in reality there isn't much between those teams. Tyrone are a work in progress and remains to be seen exactly where they are. Mayo, despite the last two defeats, are still a hugely talented team.
From Tyrone point of view Kennedy and Hampsey were missed but overall just pretty flat and disjointed. Need a reaction against Cavan to keep it going and build on improved performances. Really need to ensure they at very least make it out the group. And if they do take it from there.
Hope our old friend Farandeelin was looking down and enjoying that performance.
Thank you for reminding us.
He was a sound man and a loyal Mayo supporter.
Quote from: joemamas on May 31, 2025, 09:29:47 PMWhat happens in the following scenarios,
group ends with
Donegal 4pts
Tyrone 4pts
Mayo 2pts
Cavan 2pts
or
Donegal 4pts
Cavan 4pts
Mayo 2pts
Tyrone 2pts
will it be head to head or point differential
Thanks in advance
Head to head.
Quote from: reddgnhand on May 31, 2025, 09:32:03 PMQuote from: cavanmaniac on May 31, 2025, 09:05:39 PMQuote from: tyroneman on May 31, 2025, 08:36:25 PMCavan, tails up, at a neutral venue will not be easy.
Not if this shitshow is repeated
Cavan will tuck tail once Tyrone turn up the heat at all. As sure as night follows day. Unless they show something against Donegal tomorrow, to suggest they've they're no longer as psychologically brittle as they've shown umpteen times over the years (and I don't necessarily mean winning it) then I don't see us changing the pattern of multiple capitulations v Tyrone, our ultimate bête noir. At best a moral victory before yielding in the deciding minutes, like in Breffni last year.
The run has to end sometime.
You're right of course and perhaps I'm overly negative after years suffering under Tyrone's heel, at all age grades. If Cavan unexpectedly discover and show something previously unseen against a fully dialled-in and smarting Donegal, and their elite-level manager tomorrow, then hope will spring eternal. We've learned not to harbour too much hope here over the years though.
Very poor by Tyrone tonight somewhat lost the run of themselves with that win over Donegal who was a little lost without Patton. Well done Mayo with that win they blow the group wide open.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on May 31, 2025, 06:46:58 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 31, 2025, 06:15:46 PMQuote from: Jayop on May 31, 2025, 06:12:34 PMIt's made a balls of the second half. Also being able to take a free back outside the arc when the foul was inside is nonsense
I haven't noticed that?? I didn't think that was allowed?
That's been part of the game since the rules were introduced
No it hasn't!!! Can only be taken back outside arc if ball was moved forward. A free inside the arc must stay there, cannot come back out
Quote from: thebigfullforward on May 31, 2025, 06:46:58 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 31, 2025, 06:15:46 PMQuote from: Jayop on May 31, 2025, 06:12:34 PMIt's made a balls of the second half. Also being able to take a free back outside the arc when the foul was inside is nonsense
I haven't noticed that?? I didn't think that was allowed?
That's been part of the game since the rules were introduced
You can't for a foul. Only if its a 20m free for a 3 up breach or if a free that was outside is moved up for dissent etc.
Quote from: joemamas on May 31, 2025, 09:29:47 PMWhat happens in the following scenarios,
group ends with
Donegal 4pts
Tyrone 4pts
Mayo 2pts
Cavan 2pts
or
Donegal 4pts
Cavan 4pts
Mayo 2pts
Tyrone 2pts
will it be head to head or point differential
Thanks in advance
Head to head.
Quote from: square_ball on May 31, 2025, 08:51:51 PMQuote from: clarshack on May 31, 2025, 08:35:18 PMIncredible that Cormac Quinn has been kept on Ryan O'Donoghue. Been absolutely destroyed
Niall Devlin was marking him up until he hit the post at the start of the 2nd half. Both didn't have a good time on him.
Devlin stood off him far too much. O'Donoghue basically done what he wanted for 45 minutes.
No score in the final nine minutes of the Meath-Roscommon draw.
Quote from: Tubberman on May 31, 2025, 08:56:18 PMQuote from: Grace Murphy on May 31, 2025, 08:51:16 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 31, 2025, 08:50:18 PMMorgan score 0.4? Definitely gave away at least that amount too. Thought Mayo were gone for the year, fair play to them. One swallow etc... more revision of betting and Pod shite talk.
Mayo still getting eliminated
Probably, but top of the table for a few hours anyway!
A badly needed boost to themselves as much as to the supporters I'd say. They can throw everything at Donegal now, otherwise they're more than likely gone.
Maybe that's what suits them, the cautious stuff certainly doesn't.
Agree on last point,
still wonder the instructions subs are getting when they come on, are they told not to shoot.
Boland who made an decent impact, in the 65th got the ball off AOS after a turnover, ran 60 yards, bearing down on goal between the 21 and 14, passed it away from goals to Carney.
You feel Boland would have kicked that ball over with his eyes closed.
really doubt if a kerry, dublin, armagh player would have done likewise.
anyway huge improvement, I was disspondent two weeks ago, some life back into me.
We still most likely need Cavan to beat Tyrone to qualify, but some pride restored.
So Down>Louth>Meath>Dublin
If Dublin beat us tomorrow does that mean Down for Sam?
Or Cavan>Mayo>Tyrone>Donegal>Armagh
Joking of course, but isn't it a brilliant championship now with so many teams beating each other?
Quote from: Tubberman on May 31, 2025, 08:56:18 PMQuote from: Grace Murphy on May 31, 2025, 08:51:16 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 31, 2025, 08:50:18 PMMorgan score 0.4? Definitely gave away at least that amount too. Thought Mayo were gone for the year, fair play to them. One swallow etc... more revision of betting and Pod shite talk.
Mayo still getting eliminated
Probably, but top of the table for a few hours anyway!
A badly needed boost to themselves as much as to the supporters I'd say. They can throw everything at Donegal now, otherwise they're more than likely gone.
Maybe that's what suits them, the cautious stuff certainly doesn't.
Grace Murphy is a wum.
Mayo have a more than decent chance of reaching the knock out stages now, good record against Donegal the last decade and play like today another positive result will follow.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 31, 2025, 08:58:15 PMDonegal v Mayo will be a plum tie now.
Certainly is will be interesting to see where it's played. Cavan and Roscommon are the venues in the running by the sounds of it.
Quote from: gallsman on May 31, 2025, 10:55:12 PMNo score in the final nine minutes of the Meath-Roscommon draw.
Lots of misses. Handful of wides and shots dropped short for the rossies. Meath had a goal chance. Both had the ball after the hooter went and wasted their opportunity to win by a point.
The whole championship so far has been teams playing a game. Winning a big game. Then slacking off and getting beaten in their next game. Or teams underperforming badly and then producing a big performance in their next game to win that.
Only Kerry have kept winning and that's probably because they've had a run of fairly handy games so far.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 31, 2025, 09:57:31 PMVery poor by Tyrone tonight somewhat lost the run of themselves with that win over Donegal who was a little lost without Patton. Well done Mayo with that win they blow the group wide open.
The win over Donegal and the manner of it cannot be underestimated, both in terms of what it meant to Tyrone and Donegal. Tyrone certainly didn't back it up tonight which is disappointing but they're still a work in progress after a couple of years when they were a rudderless ship. Also missed some key men while blooding some very talented young players - with a lot more to come. And crucially, the narrative that Mayo were done was seriously flawed. Anyone who thought Tyrone had "lost the run of themselves" wasn't seeing the bigger picture
Make no mistake, Mayo were very, very poor for significant stretches of yesterday's game. They just didn't have to be any good to win it given Tyrone's performance.
They might not be done just yet, but they'll have no impact on the latter stages of this year's championship.
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 07:13:05 AMMake no mistake, Mayo were very, very poor for significant stretches of yesterday's game. They just didn't have to be any good to win it given Tyrone's performance.
They might not be done just yet, but they'll have no impact on the latter stages of this year's championship.
Just shows its all on the day, Tyrone looked excellent against Donegal just last week who plenty are tipping for Sam.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 01, 2025, 08:43:11 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 07:13:05 AMMake no mistake, Mayo were very, very poor for significant stretches of yesterday's game. They just didn't have to be any good to win it given Tyrone's performance.
They might not be done just yet, but they'll have no impact on the latter stages of this year's championship. Looks like "it's all on the day is back"!
Just shows its all on the day, Tyrone looked excellent against Donegal just last week who plenty are tipping for Sam.
They used to be a wee-rehearsed truism about football but in recent years it simply wasn't true, with such structured football.
I didn't see the first half of Tyrone Mayo, but i'm reading the analysis of the game on here as:
When Tyrone beat Donegal last week it was because Tyrone were brilliant. Donegal are still a good side.
When Mayo beat Tyrone this week it was all down to Tyrone being awful. Mayo are still a poor side.
I suppose we will know more about all this later today after the Cavan v Donegal game. And the bookies would seem to follow this analysis, with Donegal 7 point favourites away from home.
I just can't help thinking Jimmy has pulled the wool over eyes a bit this year about Donegal. They're a handful of players yet away from being a binafide contender.
Some very good aspects to concentrate on. Kinsella is a real find , Conlon is just majestic and from been just a panel member or sub he is now one of the first names on team sheet. With right ball into him he is unmarkable. That all been said another 2 soft goals conceded against the wind and run of play is concerning. We have at the very least qualified for the preliminary qf and in all likelihood a home one at that. Stil its winners take all v Kerry tighten up at the back and we could take them. Huge improvement this year and really the most improved team in Ireland imo. And the talk of flakey is well and truly gone.
Looking forward to the next game to really test ourselves about how far we have come.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 01, 2025, 12:55:07 AMQuote from: gallsman on May 31, 2025, 10:55:12 PMNo score in the final nine minutes of the Meath-Roscommon draw.
Lots of misses. Handful of wides and shots dropped short for the rossies. Meath had a goal chance. Both had the ball after the hooter went and wasted their opportunity to win by a point.
We blew it badly last 10 or so.
They'll think the same of their late goal chance.
Kerry would have scored around 4-25 with the chances we had yesterday.
That's why they're competing for Sam and we're not.
But we restored some pride yesterday at least.
Anyway it's all down to beating/drawing with Cork and we owe them one for 2023.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 01, 2025, 09:11:52 AMI didn't see the first half of Tyrone Mayo, but i'm reading the analysis of the game on here as:
When Tyrone beat Donegal last week it was because Tyrone were brilliant. Donegal are still a good side.
When Mayo beat Tyrone this week it was all down to Tyrone being awful. Mayo are still a poor side.
I suppose we will know more about all this later today after the Cavan v Donegal game. And the bookies would seem to follow this analysis, with Donegal 7 point favourites away from home.
I just can't help thinking Jimmy has pulled the wool over eyes a bit this year about Donegal. They're a handful of players yet away from being a binafide contender.
Armagh are obviously contenders and theres clearly nothing between Armagh and Donegal given the last 2 Ulsters, it took a Conroy point shot dropping in to the net last year to get Galway past them who clearly are contenders.
It'll take a good side to put Donegal out this year again. They're definitely All Ireland contenders. Would expect then to beat Cavan fairly well and will beat Mayo as well
Topping your group is essential for getting an extra week off. For those with genuine AI ambitions, that is a big goal to aim for.
Funny how this format has grown on me this year but it's gonna change again in 2026.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 01, 2025, 09:23:17 AMQuote from: thewobbler on June 01, 2025, 09:11:52 AMI didn't see the first half of Tyrone Mayo, but i'm reading the analysis of the game on here as:
When Tyrone beat Donegal last week it was because Tyrone were brilliant. Donegal are still a good side.
When Mayo beat Tyrone this week it was all down to Tyrone being awful. Mayo are still a poor side.
I suppose we will know more about all this later today after the Cavan v Donegal game. And the bookies would seem to follow this analysis, with Donegal 7 point favourites away from home.
I just can't help thinking Jimmy has pulled the wool over eyes a bit this year about Donegal. They're a handful of players yet away from being a binafide contender.
Armagh are obviously contenders and theres clearly nothing between Armagh and Donegal given the last 2 Ulsters, it took a Conroy point shot dropping in to the net last year to get Galway past them who clearly are contenders.
It'll take a good side to put Donegal out this year again. They're definitely All Ireland contenders. Would expect then to beat Cavan fairly well and will beat Mayo as well
I don't mean this disrespecting but I wouldn't have Armagh as contenders this year. Honestly I think it's Kerry Dublin then Galway and then a bit behind Donegal. Armagh next. But outside the top 3 I mentioned winning it would be a huge shock.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 01, 2025, 09:59:08 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 01, 2025, 09:23:17 AMQuote from: thewobbler on June 01, 2025, 09:11:52 AMI didn't see the first half of Tyrone Mayo, but i'm reading the analysis of the game on here as:
When Tyrone beat Donegal last week it was because Tyrone were brilliant. Donegal are still a good side.
When Mayo beat Tyrone this week it was all down to Tyrone being awful. Mayo are still a poor side.
I suppose we will know more about all this later today after the Cavan v Donegal game. And the bookies would seem to follow this analysis, with Donegal 7 point favourites away from home.
I just can't help thinking Jimmy has pulled the wool over eyes a bit this year about Donegal. They're a handful of players yet away from being a binafide contender.
Armagh are obviously contenders and theres clearly nothing between Armagh and Donegal given the last 2 Ulsters, it took a Conroy point shot dropping in to the net last year to get Galway past them who clearly are contenders.
It'll take a good side to put Donegal out this year again. They're definitely All Ireland contenders. Would expect then to beat Cavan fairly well and will beat Mayo as well
I don't mean this disrespecting but I wouldn't have Armagh as contenders this year. Honestly I think it's Kerry Dublin then Galway and then a bit behind Donegal. Armagh next. But outside the top 3 I mentioned winning it would be a huge shock.
Today will tell a lot about Dublin and Armagh I think. Should be a cracker.
We spend the whole season in GAA talking about contenders. Form is irrelevant until the last group game really. Not too many tipped Armagh this time last year. Tyrone were a contender last week now they aren't. Dublin were finished now they are a contender. Doesn't seem to happen in other sports.
Quote from: Mario on June 01, 2025, 10:15:36 AMWe spend the whole season in GAA talking about contenders. Form is irrelevant until the last group game really. Not too many tipped Armagh this time last year. Tyrone were a contender last week now they aren't. Dublin were finished now they are a contender. Doesn't seem to happen in other sports.
Yeah 1 result seems to tip the whole narrative week on week.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 01, 2025, 09:59:08 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 01, 2025, 09:23:17 AMQuote from: thewobbler on June 01, 2025, 09:11:52 AMI didn't see the first half of Tyrone Mayo, but i'm reading the analysis of the game on here as:
When Tyrone beat Donegal last week it was because Tyrone were brilliant. Donegal are still a good side.
When Mayo beat Tyrone this week it was all down to Tyrone being awful. Mayo are still a poor side.
I suppose we will know more about all this later today after the Cavan v Donegal game. And the bookies would seem to follow this analysis, with Donegal 7 point favourites away from home.
I just can't help thinking Jimmy has pulled the wool over eyes a bit this year about Donegal. They're a handful of players yet away from being a binafide contender.
Armagh are obviously contenders and theres clearly nothing between Armagh and Donegal given the last 2 Ulsters, it took a Conroy point shot dropping in to the net last year to get Galway past them who clearly are contenders.
It'll take a good side to put Donegal out this year again. They're definitely All Ireland contenders. Would expect then to beat Cavan fairly well and will beat Mayo as well
I don't mean this disrespecting but I wouldn't have Armagh as contenders this year. Honestly I think it's Kerry Dublin then Galway and then a bit behind Donegal. Armagh next. But outside the top 3 I mentioned winning it would be a huge shock.
I'd have Armagh as favourites tbh.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 01, 2025, 09:59:08 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 01, 2025, 09:23:17 AMQuote from: thewobbler on June 01, 2025, 09:11:52 AMI didn't see the first half of Tyrone Mayo, but i'm reading the analysis of the game on here as:
When Tyrone beat Donegal last week it was because Tyrone were brilliant. Donegal are still a good side.
When Mayo beat Tyrone this week it was all down to Tyrone being awful. Mayo are still a poor side.
I suppose we will know more about all this later today after the Cavan v Donegal game. And the bookies would seem to follow this analysis, with Donegal 7 point favourites away from home.
I just can't help thinking Jimmy has pulled the wool over eyes a bit this year about Donegal. They're a handful of players yet away from being a binafide contender.
Armagh are obviously contenders and theres clearly nothing between Armagh and Donegal given the last 2 Ulsters, it took a Conroy point shot dropping in to the net last year to get Galway past them who clearly are contenders.
It'll take a good side to put Donegal out this year again. They're definitely All Ireland contenders. Would expect then to beat Cavan fairly well and will beat Mayo as well
I don't mean this disrespecting but I wouldn't have Armagh as contenders this year. Honestly I think it's Kerry Dublin then Galway and then a bit behind Donegal. Armagh next. But outside the top 3 I mentioned winning it would be a huge shock.
Think will be between Armagh and Kerry. Think Tyrone could be contenders.
Quote from: Gael85 on June 01, 2025, 12:02:31 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 01, 2025, 09:59:08 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 01, 2025, 09:23:17 AMQuote from: thewobbler on June 01, 2025, 09:11:52 AMI didn't see the first half of Tyrone Mayo, but i'm reading the analysis of the game on here as:
When Tyrone beat Donegal last week it was because Tyrone were brilliant. Donegal are still a good side.
When Mayo beat Tyrone this week it was all down to Tyrone being awful. Mayo are still a poor side.
I suppose we will know more about all this later today after the Cavan v Donegal game. And the bookies would seem to follow this analysis, with Donegal 7 point favourites away from home.
I just can't help thinking Jimmy has pulled the wool over eyes a bit this year about Donegal. They're a handful of players yet away from being a binafide contender.
Armagh are obviously contenders and theres clearly nothing between Armagh and Donegal given the last 2 Ulsters, it took a Conroy point shot dropping in to the net last year to get Galway past them who clearly are contenders.
It'll take a good side to put Donegal out this year again. They're definitely All Ireland contenders. Would expect then to beat Cavan fairly well and will beat Mayo as well
I don't mean this disrespecting but I wouldn't have Armagh as contenders this year. Honestly I think it's Kerry Dublin then Galway and then a bit behind Donegal. Armagh next. But outside the top 3 I mentioned winning it would be a huge shock.
Think will be between Armagh and Kerry. Think Tyrone could be contenders.
Again all on the day, we got the rub of the green last year against Kerry, Donegal got it in the Ulster final this year, all comes down to on the day.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 01, 2025, 01:24:14 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 31, 2025, 09:57:31 PMVery poor by Tyrone tonight somewhat lost the run of themselves with that win over Donegal who was a little lost without Patton. Well done Mayo with that win they blow the group wide open.
The win over Donegal and the manner of it cannot be underestimated, both in terms of what it meant to Tyrone and Donegal. Tyrone certainly didn't back it up tonight which is disappointing but they're still a work in progress after a couple of years when they were a rudderless ship. Also missed some key men while blooding some very talented young players - with a lot more to come. And crucially, the narrative that Mayo were done was seriously flawed. Anyone who thought Tyrone had "lost the run of themselves" wasn't seeing the bigger picture
Bar Brian Kennedy who was missing?
Tyrone have been better than last year and could still go on a run. Last year they conceded six goals against Dublin in the league and made hard work of Clare. Lost at home to Roscommon in the championship. Mayo were in do-or-die mode yesterday while county was still basking in Donegal win that probly rubbed off on the players too.
Tyrone have improved and the new management deserve a bit of time. Was there first bad performance since round 3 of the league. Beat Cavan and the show goes on. Some people too eager to jump on yesterday like they've been waiting their opportunity.
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 01, 2025, 01:33:20 PMTyrone have been better than last year and could still go on a run. Last year they conceded six goals against Dublin in the league and made hard work of Clare. Lost at home to Roscommon in the championship. Mayo were in do-or-die mode yesterday while county was still basking in Donegal win that probly rubbed off on the players too.
Tyrone have improved and the new management deserve a bit of time. Was there first bad performance since round 3 of the league. Beat Cavan and the show goes on. Some people too eager to jump on yesterday like they've been waiting their opportunity.
Not sure if it was so or die mode for Mayo though either but they needed a big result.
Yesterday's win means nothing unless they can beat Donegal.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 01, 2025, 01:35:08 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 01, 2025, 01:33:20 PMTyrone have been better than last year and could still go on a run. Last year they conceded six goals against Dublin in the league and made hard work of Clare. Lost at home to Roscommon in the championship. Mayo were in do-or-die mode yesterday while county was still basking in Donegal win that probly rubbed off on the players too.
Tyrone have improved and the new management deserve a bit of time. Was there first bad performance since round 3 of the league. Beat Cavan and the show goes on. Some people too eager to jump on yesterday like they've been waiting their opportunity.
Not sure if it was so or die mode for Mayo though either but they needed a big result.
Yesterday's win means nothing unless they can beat Donegal.
Is needing to win to stay in the competition not 'do-or-die' ? I don't mean 'die' literally 😊
Quote from: trileacman on June 01, 2025, 01:00:52 PMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 01, 2025, 01:24:14 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 31, 2025, 09:57:31 PMVery poor by Tyrone tonight somewhat lost the run of themselves with that win over Donegal who was a little lost without Patton. Well done Mayo with that win they blow the group wide open.
The win over Donegal and the manner of it cannot be underestimated, both in terms of what it meant to Tyrone and Donegal. Tyrone certainly didn't back it up tonight which is disappointing but they're still a work in progress after a couple of years when they were a rudderless ship. Also missed some key men while blooding some very talented young players - with a lot more to come. And crucially, the narrative that Mayo were done was seriously flawed. Anyone who thought Tyrone had "lost the run of themselves" wasn't seeing the bigger picture
Bar Brian Kennedy who was missing?
Hampsey was missed at the back and Kennedy in the middle as well as the leadership both bring to the team.
Can't put McElhome in that bracket yet but he'd have been a handy option.
Ultimately Tyrone just weren't good enough last night but perspective is crucial, the key thing is progress over the season and now isn't the time to judge.
Patton is missing again for Donegal today.
I don't think there's a bigger loss for Donegal. They still should have too much for Cavan.
Shocking goal to concede from Derry there.
Who's on Co comms?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 01, 2025, 02:15:03 PMShocking goal to concede from Derry there.
Who's on Co comms?
How many steps did he take
Shane mcentee?
This is a good game so far- good atmosphere.
0-6 to 1-2 after 15. Cavan react quicker to deflected shot to get a goal.
Donegal would want a good lead at HT as there is a stiff breeze.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 01, 2025, 02:17:56 PMShane mcentee?
This is a good game so far- good atmosphere.
Maher - took a very generous number of steps before he shot. Derry haven't let it upset them too much
Derry showing a bit more physicality
Great game.. is football the new hurling?! #actionpacked
Shane Walsh quality. Derry will be kicking themselves here - should be ahead by a good bit. Referee ropy enough.
ref riding derry here.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 01, 2025, 02:28:25 PMShane Walsh quality. Derry will be kicking themselves here - should be ahead by a good bit. Referee ropy enough.
yeah - derry not getting much from the ref
Great battles in this game. Derry bringing intensity
It was a bit like this last night too - you miss good chances and you kill momentum. Toner missing that easy enough chance big for Derry.
Also Niall loughlin a very good player- I saw someone slating him here during the week. Adds a lot to Derry.
Can't watch the match but 5 yellow cards in 1 half of football?
It's a lot of off the ball. No real bad dirt isn't it. Mainly seems to centre round finnerty might I add - well three of the five.
Jimmy McGuinness losing the cool in Cavan. Yellow card and also for Galligan.
Yellow for Micheal Murphy when it should be a red.
Poor Galway performance.
Playing with a big lack of intensity - this is a flaw they are very prone to. You can't pick and choose which games you get "up" for ffs
Quote from: armaghniac on June 01, 2025, 02:37:01 PMJimmy McGuinness losing the cool in Cavan. Yellow card and also for Galligan.
Yellow for Micheal Murphy when it should be a red.
What did Murphy do?
No mention of anything about a potential red on Highland.
Getting very heated all around by the sounds of things on the radio.
Quote from: J70 on June 01, 2025, 02:41:18 PMQuote from: armaghniac on June 01, 2025, 02:37:01 PMJimmy McGuinness losing the cool in Cavan. Yellow card and also for Galligan.
Yellow for Micheal Murphy when it should be a red.
What did Murphy do?
No mention of anything about a potential red on Highland.
Getting very heated all around by the sounds of things on the radio.
RTE described it as a punch.
Cavan 1-5 Donegal 1-12 HT
Roarty with the goal after Donegal turned Cavan over after the hooter.
Like the Christy Ring Final yesterday, ref. shafting Derry badly.
Loving the game in Celtic pk, proper hard hitting championship, serious intensity that will be hard to maintain. Dunno how big the wind is, but there's that much going on I wouldn't expect Galway to run away with it because they have the wind in 2nd. Derry certainly up for the fight.
Quote from: Brendan on June 01, 2025, 02:34:06 PMCan't watch the match but 5 yellow cards in 1 half of football?
It's a proper championship match Derry are well up for it and pushing Galway all over the field. The 2 goals were a killer and we lost our way for 10-15 mins but at least the fight and the desire is there.
More than a 2 point wind though so it'll be a big ask this half.
It's a five or six point wind as Galway have lads that can kick 2 pointers
Quote from: screenexile on June 01, 2025, 02:44:23 PMQuote from: Brendan on June 01, 2025, 02:34:06 PMCan't watch the match but 5 yellow cards in 1 half of football?
It's a proper championship match Derry are well up for it and pushing Galway all over the field. The 2 goals were a killer and we lost our way for 10-15 mins but at least the fight and the desire is there.
More than a 2 point wind though so it'll be a big ask this half.
Its a great watch. Ref has decided not to give obvious frees so its a bit of a free for all at times
Quote from: galwayman on June 01, 2025, 02:39:10 PMPoor Galway performance.
Playing with a big lack of intensity - this is a flaw they are very prone to. You can't pick and choose which games you get "up" for ffs
Lack of pace and momentum as much as intensity. Too slow to move the ball at times. Ref. nearly as bad for Galway as Derry. Forwards are good enough if they can create the platform back the field.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 02:45:46 PMIt's a five or six point wind as Galway have lads that can kick 2 pointers
Michael Meehan doesn't seem to think so.
It's a bit of a war in Breffni Pk, Cavan standing up to Donegal. The late goal was a gut punch but the breeze will be in Cavan's favour after the break. This isn't over, Donegal will need impact from the bench you'd think
Happier as a Derry fan. Pushing up on kickouts and good intensity to our play. A few loose passes frustrating but we're giving it everything. Galway still be favorites with breeze shooting into the scoring goals. Good game.
Quote from: mouview on June 01, 2025, 02:48:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 02:45:46 PMIt's a five or six point wind as Galway have lads that can kick 2 pointers
Michael Meehan doesn't seem to think so.
Seen that.. sure what would Michael know ;D
What a player
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on June 01, 2025, 02:48:52 PMIt's a bit of a war in Breffni Pk, Cavan standing up to Donegal. The late goal was a gut punch but the breeze will be in Cavan's favour after the break. This isn't over, Donegal will need impact from the bench you'd think
According to Highland, the referee lost control of it at times. Could be a few getting the line it things continue like that, which neither team can afford with another tough game to come.
Donegal's bench is weakened with McGee and McGonigle injured (not sure about Niall O'Donnell).
Derry v Galway like watching a different sport compared to Cork v Kerry and Mayo v Tyrone. The referee letting it go is adding to this while in the 2 games yesterday the refs blew everything!
f**k me, that Derry lad's knee! 😲
Horrible looking gash on Doherty's knee there.
Quote from: The Trap on June 01, 2025, 03:05:43 PMDerry v Galway like watching a different sport compared to Cork v Kerry and Mayo v Tyrone. The referee letting it go is adding to this while in the 2 games yesterday the refs blew everything!
Big problem in the game is where refs blow teams up for tackling high up the pitch. It encourages teams to retreat back to their own 40m line rather than try and get turnovers higher up the pitch. If you press high up and put pressure on the defenders the bar for a free should be set a bit higher, Derry in this game have been penalised by the ref several times that their effort and endeavour didn't warrant.
Ethan Doherty having a cracking game. He's a top level footballer.
Derry have a great chance to win this now. Comer coming on
Quote from: straightred on June 01, 2025, 03:13:56 PMDerry have a great chance to win this now. Comer coming on
Still 20 mins to go, Derry may have shot their bolt too early.
Donegal 1-15 Cavan 1-9 with about 20 left
Daft from Murray there. Cost them a turnover and the yellow card for Glass.
Ha, quickly made up for it. Derry cancel out the Cooke 2 pointer quickly
Burst of points for Donegal.
1-19 to 1-9
Galway not at the races at all today.
Looks like we are about to head out of the championship with a whimper.
Quote from: galwayman on June 01, 2025, 03:22:35 PMGalway not at the races at all today.
Looks like we are about to head out of the championship with a whimper.
Yes should Derry hold on to win and Armagh win then Galway are goosed
Some dreadful taches out there today.
McKinless ropey enough for Derry the last while. Galway goal and it could be a nervy finish.
Not much at fault for that in fairness to him :o
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 03:26:48 PMSome dreadful taches out there today.
McKinless ropey enough for Derry the last while. Galway goal and it could be a nervy finish.
Are moustaches back in Ireland? ;D
Can Derry see this out now?
Some second half from Donegal.
1-22 to 1-11
Quote from: J70 on June 01, 2025, 03:29:29 PMCan Derry see this out now?
f**k knows
Making hard work of it
That sideline ball from Thompson was unreal to set up the move for Galway goal
Derry out of gas. Also they need to stop kicking the ball to Darcy's wing.
Darcy took ten steps for that last score. Ref very sore on Derry today.
Goal for Conor O'Donnell.
2-22 to 1-11
Mcguigan should have had a black card and probably then some.
It is great to see Derry with this fight in them. They don't bring that often enough.
Glass gets away with some amount of arm pulling
Jesus Christ Derry!
Good f**king lord how do you concede that
Ffs.
Bloody Hell! That was some game.
What a game
Galway are one group of lucky devils.
Jesus lads have you not got a bloody keeper in Derry.
Fair play to Derry though great performance deserved to win.
A team might go through on one point for the first time after that.
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 03:37:43 PMGood f**king lord how do you concede that
Im surprised it didn't happen earlier. That was the third time today Mc Kindless punched it back across his own goal. Madness!
Fantastic game
Derry balls it up again?
FT Cavan 1-13 Donegal 3-26
12 scorers for Donegal
Donegal with another goal after the hooter to pad the scoring difference
That was the game of the year. Amazing what you get when you've a referee who allows for intense defensive play.
Hard luck for Derry. A loss would have been so cruel. Nevertheless, it's good both are still alive in the championship.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 01, 2025, 03:43:24 PMDerry balls it up again?
Can't be sure if that's the 3rd or 4th time this season we've had a last 10 minute collapse!
f**k me still no win in over a year!!
I know there are a few die hards on here but can anyone tell me what McFaul brings to Derry at this stage? I know he works his arse off but he was a complete non entity in the second half there today.
Mcguigan well worth a card of whatever colour in any babe be plays. Can't resist getting involved in messing. Also, shortly before he went off Walsh missed a 2 point effort and McEvoy made sure to let him know about and gave him a shove in the face. Wonder if he's feeling quite as chipper now considering how disastrous Derry were in front of their own goal.
So if Donegal beat Mayo, they should top the group, unless Cavan don't show up against Tyrone.
Of course beating Mayo is to us what beating Tyrone is to Cavan...
Dublin is blue. Hill 16 is Dublin only.
Quote from: J70 on June 01, 2025, 03:50:59 PMSo if Donegal beat Mayo, they should top the group, unless Cavan don't show up against Tyrone.
Of course beating Mayo is to us what beating Tyrone is to Cavan...
No, if Donegal beat Mayo and Tyrone beat Cavan, you Tyrone are first based on H2H with Donegal and Cavan third based on H2H with Mayo.
Great game in Celtic park it had everything. Winner of armagh v Dublin will top the group. Plenty of drama to come in round 3 in all groups. Did HQ jump the gun to get rid of this format from next year?
Dublin Joe living up to his name already.
Threw the ball straight to a Dublin man
No way should Derry be losing that game 8pts up. Again they dropped of the Galway kickout which give Galway 3pts and a lifeline. Then the 3rd Goal put us in the shit. What the keeper was at, at the end only he knows. He came out 2/3 times b4 that when he should stayed on the line. Basically cost us the game.
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 03:59:04 PMQuote from: J70 on June 01, 2025, 03:50:59 PMSo if Donegal beat Mayo, they should top the group, unless Cavan don't show up against Tyrone.
Of course beating Mayo is to us what beating Tyrone is to Cavan...
No, if Donegal beat Mayo and Tyrone beat Cavan, Tyrone are first based on H2H with Donegal and Cavan based on H2H with Mayo.
Duh, wasn't thinking there!
So for us, goal difference will only come into it if we draw with Mayo.
All to play for for all four teams.
Cavan have to get some kind of result against Tyrone if we want to top the group.
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 03:59:04 PMQuote from: J70 on June 01, 2025, 03:50:59 PMSo if Donegal beat Mayo, they should top the group, unless Cavan don't show up against Tyrone.
Of course beating Mayo is to us what beating Tyrone is to Cavan...
No, if Donegal beat Mayo and Tyrone beat Cavan, Tyrone are first based on H2H with Donegal and Cavan based on H2H with Mayo.
Correct it is head to head if Tyrone and Donegal are tied on points,Tyrone win the group, and in addition, Cavan will advance over Mayo in same scenario
Quote from: J70 on June 01, 2025, 04:03:33 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 03:59:04 PMQuote from: J70 on June 01, 2025, 03:50:59 PMSo if Donegal beat Mayo, they should top the group, unless Cavan don't show up against Tyrone.
Of course beating Mayo is to us what beating Tyrone is to Cavan...
No, if Donegal beat Mayo and Tyrone beat Cavan, Tyrone are first based on H2H with Donegal and Cavan based on H2H with Mayo.
Duh, wasn't thinking there!
So for us, goal difference will only come into it if we draw with Mayo.
All to play for for all four teams.
Yup, but you'd have to figure Tyrone will surely beat Cavan again, albeit we all said that about the Mayo game
It is a bit weird that all four games in the group so far have resulted in convincing and deserved away wins.
Dublin Joe living up to his name.
What little intensity there is in this game is coming from Dublin. Armagh very lucky Dublin are kicking so many awful wides.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 01, 2025, 04:15:47 PMDublin Joe living up to his name.
Nonsense.
Dublin missed a bagful already.
Dublin lucky they even level, with all that possession, should been a Armagh goal there.
Dublin under the kosh now.
This match is very dead.
There's Dublin Joe again, penalising them twice in quick succession and enforcing the rules to their opponents' benefit. What a bollocks.
And allowing the two pointer to be counted there ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 04:28:37 PMAnd allowing the two pointer to be counted there ;)
He just saw that ball get touched on the ground even though he was the wrong side of it and his linesman staring straight at it saw nothing. Then he quickly moved it up for the man impeding the free. What a homer he is.
They'll be calling him Armagh Joe in the pubs around Croker today
Dublin have already used up the element of surprise, their strength from the bench, and a bundle of Lady Luck / heroics from Cluxton.
This is all over bar the shouting. Armagh will win by double scores.
Why did I have to watch 90 seconds of keep ball horseshit just so Costello could hoof it wide? Does the hooter justify itself for the odd time or two a ref might get the added time amount wrong?
Armagh through. Knockout between Dublin and Derry.
Quote from: Gael85 on June 01, 2025, 04:39:39 PMArmagh through. Knockout between Dublin and Derry.
Far from it
Quote from: trileacman on June 01, 2025, 04:39:23 PMWhy did I have to watch 90 seconds of keep ball horseshit just so Costello could hoof it wide? Does the hooter justify itself for the odd time or two a ref might get the added time amount wrong?
With most senior championship games involving 55-60 mins of horseshit for the past decade, is it not a little spoiled to complain about 90 seconds?
Half time Dublin 0-9 Armagh 0-13. Armagh will top the group with a game to spare as it stands.
Quote from: trileacman on June 01, 2025, 04:39:23 PMWhy did I have to watch 90 seconds of keep ball horseshit just so Costello could hoof it wide? Does the hooter justify itself for the odd time or two a ref might get the added time amount wrong?
How does he get it wrong? Stops clock during subs and injuries, plus there is a 5th official to help
Dublin are gassed. Don't have goals or two pointers. Too predicticable. Armagh have best panel of 30 to empty bench.
Awful miss on the kickout not going out past the 21 by McQuillan, Dubs go up and score, could be crucial in the end as there'll not be much in it.
Dubs started like a train, missed a bagful then we took over, nothing in it.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 04:40:47 PMQuote from: Gael85 on June 01, 2025, 04:39:39 PMArmagh through. Knockout between Dublin and Derry.
Far from it
Strong wind here into Canal end, though swirling and tricky.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 01, 2025, 04:40:51 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 01, 2025, 04:39:23 PMWhy did I have to watch 90 seconds of keep ball horseshit just so Costello could hoof it wide? Does the hooter justify itself for the odd time or two a ref might get the added time amount wrong?
With most senior championship games involving 55-60 mins of horseshit for the past decade, is it not a little spoiled to complain about 90 seconds?
Totally agree
Quote from: armaghniac on June 01, 2025, 04:45:57 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 04:40:47 PMQuote from: Gael85 on June 01, 2025, 04:39:39 PMArmagh through. Knockout between Dublin and Derry.
Far from it
Strong wind here into Canal end, though swirling and tricky.
Yup. Dublins shooting first half very poor though. Could take advantage of that wind yet however
Monaghan in trouble against Clare in Clones, so typical of them
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on June 01, 2025, 04:49:36 PMMonaghan in trouble against Clare in Clones, so typical of them
Whoa!
Apparently a strong beeeze in their favour to come in the second half though.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 01, 2025, 04:40:51 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 01, 2025, 04:39:23 PMWhy did I have to watch 90 seconds of keep ball horseshit just so Costello could hoof it wide? Does the hooter justify itself for the odd time or two a ref might get the added time amount wrong?
With most senior championship games involving 55-60 mins of horseshit for the past decade, is it not a little spoiled to complain about 90 seconds?
:D :D :D
John Small just got away with punching Ben Crealy in the face.
Just another day at the office for John Small!
Embarrassing from Dublin there,x3 x free pts
Do they know the rules? Embarrassing
They've been absolutely rank since the first 10 mins
Quote from: thewobbler on June 01, 2025, 04:40:51 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 01, 2025, 04:39:23 PMWhy did I have to watch 90 seconds of keep ball horseshit just so Costello could hoof it wide? Does the hooter justify itself for the odd time or two a ref might get the added time amount wrong?
With most senior championship games involving 55-60 mins of horseshit for the past decade, is it not a little spoiled to complain about 90 seconds?
So you don't think it's a problem?
Wtf is that for?
Now Armagh struggling with counting
How can 2 of the supposed top teams in the country not know the rules?
This is the Dublin we seen V Meath.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 01, 2025, 05:10:43 PMWtf is that for?
He's been giving Armagh the same free all day. Quit whining ffs.
It's a fairly shite game
At the game with no benefit of replays but f**k off Joe.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 01, 2025, 05:21:17 PMAt the game with no benefit of replays but f**k off Joe.
Watching it, and Joe is doing well for Armagh
Two ridiculously soft frees for Armagh led to that Rian O'Neill 2 pointer. Dublin Joe at it again.
Dublin here worse than Tyrone yesterday.
Quote from: screenexile on June 01, 2025, 05:18:42 PMIt's a fairly shite game
Yeah. Very dead, pales in comparison to the earlier Derry game.
Dublin very poor. Armagh look in 2nd gear.
40% conversion rate won't win many matches.
Plus a lot, especially in 1st half, were relatively handy.
Dublin's obsession with kicking for two is just absurd.
This is worse than the Meath game!
Quote from: screenexile on June 01, 2025, 05:32:44 PMThis is worse than the Meath game!
Derry maybe could give them a rattle.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 01, 2025, 05:35:34 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 01, 2025, 05:32:44 PMThis is worse than the Meath game!
Derry maybe could give them a rattle.
The Derry performance for the first 50 mins today annihilates that version of the Dubs.
A fitting final effort from Kilkenny.
Armagh all Ireland favorites now?
Armagh in cruise control there. Poor Dublin performance.
Dublin will need to draw or win to go through now so I would imagine they'll improve. Armagh's last game a nothing for them now as they're top regardless. (I think...)
Would like to hear the thoughts of the poster who reckons it's between Kerry, Dublin and Galway after today's fare.
Derry beat dubs and the boys in blue are out as you'd imagine Armagh will rest men and not kill themselves v Galway now they're top regardless.
Have Derry a chance v Dublin?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 05:24:15 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on June 01, 2025, 05:21:17 PMAt the game with no benefit of replays but f**k off Joe.
Watching it, and Joe is doing well for Armagh
Applying the rules properly and fairly you mean
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 01, 2025, 05:45:59 PMHave Derry a chance v Dublin?
Based on both teams performances today... Yes 100%!!!
Down guaranteed a home preliminary QF at worst. Deary me.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 01, 2025, 05:45:59 PMHave Derry a chance v Dublin?
Definitely although the Dubs might have Con back which would be huge for them.
Big bonus for Galway that Armagh result, unless we're idiots it'll be a changed up team. You'd want more game time into Rian but definitely a game to get boys back in there. Galway will be playing with an intensity that we'll never match because of the dynamics of the group - but maybe we'll be good enough to beat them with zero pressure on us. Dublin v Derry will be very much like today's classic in intensity.
Hmm another twist Dublin poor again and Galway seem to be all at sea. But credit to Armagh and Derry. Interesting last round of games where I believe no team is out and very few quarters decided. Looking forward to the last day immeasurably
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 01, 2025, 05:40:54 PMDublin will need to draw or win to go through now so I would imagine they'll improve. Armagh's last game a nothing for them now as they're top regardless. (I think...)
If Armagh lose to Galway and Dublin beat Derry, Dublin and Armagh will both be on 4 points but Armagh have the head to head advantage over Dublin
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If Derry got what they deserved Galway would be out. Now they have a game against a team that has qualified top of group. Fine margins.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 05:49:06 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 05:24:15 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on June 01, 2025, 05:21:17 PMAt the game with no benefit of replays but f**k off Joe.
Watching it, and Joe is doing well for Armagh
Applying the rules properly and fairly you mean
Exactly, so why the Dublin Joe malarkey??
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 06:23:29 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 05:49:06 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 05:24:15 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on June 01, 2025, 05:21:17 PMAt the game with no benefit of replays but f**k off Joe.
Watching it, and Joe is doing well for Armagh
Applying the rules properly and fairly you mean
Exactly, so why the Dublin Joe malarkey??
Because Jarlath's now in town LOL...
Cavan today: at home but vastly outnumbered in the stands, out-coached on the sideline and outclassed on the pitch. Yet another predictably horrific day at the office. This should ring alarm bells as to what's going on (or not) at county board level where exorbitant sums are being spent year-on-year, and what plans they have to rip it up and start again, but it'll be business as usual - reminiscing about Mick Higgins and the Polo Grounds and consoling ourselves that the minors made an Ulster final. Tyrone on a mission against us next week only promises another evisceration and misery, and probably the end of the road for Raymond Galligan, who tries hard, but has an absolutely abject championship record and evidently got the job too early.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 01, 2025, 06:00:41 PMBig bonus for Galway that Armagh result, unless we're idiots it'll be a changed up team. You'd want more game time into Rian but definitely a game to get boys back in there. Galway will be playing with an intensity that we'll never match because of the dynamics of the group - but maybe we'll be good enough to beat them with zero pressure on us. Dublin v Derry will be very much like today's classic in intensity.
Don't forget that having won the group they also get an extra week off. With two weeks until Rd. 3 you wouldn't want too many lads not loving a ball in anger for best part of a month.
Quote from: Mario on June 01, 2025, 06:19:33 PMIf Derry got what they deserved Galway would be out. Now they have a game against a team that has qualified top of group. Fine margins.
What rubbish is this? In what way did Derry "deserve" the win there? McKinless was brutal.
What's the story for the next stage? Top of the group goes through, and 2nd and 3rd play prelims? Is it an open draw for that?
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 06:32:28 PMQuote from: Mario on June 01, 2025, 06:19:33 PMIf Derry got what they deserved Galway would be out. Now they have a game against a team that has qualified top of group. Fine margins.
What rubbish is this? In what way did Derry "deserve" the win there? McKinless was brutal.
Derry were the better team on the day and should have seen the game out for a deserved win. McKinless is not a great goalie but he is probably all we really have. Doesn't mean because he had a poor game that Derry didn't deserve to win.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 01, 2025, 06:00:41 PMBig bonus for Galway that Armagh result, unless we're idiots it'll be a changed up team. You'd want more game time into Rian but definitely a game to get boys back in there. Galway will be playing with an intensity that we'll never match because of the dynamics of the group - but maybe we'll be good enough to beat them with zero pressure on us. Dublin v Derry will be very much like today's classic in intensity.
Well you could look at that it is a chance to put last year's finalists out- a team who probably should have won that game as well. Big incentive to put away one of your really big rivals for Sam.
Teams that throw away 8 point leads with 20 minutes left don't "deserve" anything. Nothing Galway got was a fluke. It was gifted to them on a plate through awful play. Derry got precisely what they deserved.
Last goal was a pure fluke.
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 06:38:44 PMTeams that throw away 8 point leads with 20 minutes left don't "deserve" anything. Nothing Galway got was a fluke. It was gifted to them on a plate through awful play. Derry got precisely what they deserved.
8 points ain't what it used to be. Relatively easy to claw it back nowadays.
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 06:38:44 PMTeams that throw away 8 point leads with 20 minutes left don't "deserve" anything. Nothing Galway got was a fluke. It was gifted to them on a plate through awful play. Derry got precisely what they deserved.
8 points is not a big lead these days. We clawed back from 9 against you in the league. The game has changed. I would agree that nothing Galway got was flukey. In fact I enjoyed watching them. But out the field Derry were excellent and should have seen the game out. The keeper cost us. OK that's part of the game but it felt harsh that some poor goalkeeping cost the lads out the field who had been the better team.
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 06:32:28 PMQuote from: Mario on June 01, 2025, 06:19:33 PMIf Derry got what they deserved Galway would be out. Now they have a game against a team that has qualified top of group. Fine margins.
What rubbish is this? In what way did Derry "deserve" the win there? McKinless was brutal.
You didn't watch the game...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 06:23:29 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 05:49:06 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 05:24:15 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on June 01, 2025, 05:21:17 PMAt the game with no benefit of replays but f**k off Joe.
Watching it, and Joe is doing well for Armagh
Applying the rules properly and fairly you mean
Exactly, so why the Dublin Joe malarkey??
Didn't say anything about Dublin Joe
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 01, 2025, 06:40:23 PMLast goal was a pure fluke.
It wasn't a fluke. It was gifted to them through sheer defensive incompetence.
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 06:32:28 PMQuote from: Mario on June 01, 2025, 06:19:33 PMIf Derry got what they deserved Galway would be out. Now they have a game against a team that has qualified top of group. Fine margins.
What rubbish is this? In what way did Derry "deserve" the win there? McKinless was brutal.
Two very jammy goals for Galway, one of which should have been a sideline ball for Derry. We also played better than Galway bar a 15 min period
The rule from the last 3 years where a player is stopped a goalscoring opportunity regardless of inside or outside the box, does that still apply?
Comer caught a high ball late on, has the mark so went for goal, gets fouled just outside the square.
If that rules no longer in place then why would any defender not just foul a player catching a forward mark immediately. It's going to go back for the mark anyway so it's nothing to lose and you're stopping any chance of a goal
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 06:51:40 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 06:23:29 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 05:49:06 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 05:24:15 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on June 01, 2025, 05:21:17 PMAt the game with no benefit of replays but f**k off Joe.
Watching it, and Joe is doing well for Armagh
Applying the rules properly and fairly you mean
Exactly, so why the Dublin Joe malarkey??
Didn't say anything about Dublin Joe
No, you just inserted yourself into an ongoing discussion about him.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 01, 2025, 03:41:00 PMGalway are one group of lucky devils.
On the day, probably
In a wider sense they won their province and as no.1 seeds managed to get the worst possible team out of every pot. One in 48 chance. And it's the 4th year in a row thats happened, into the group of death as provincial winners or in 22 the QF
Could be the year luck finally swings Galway's way.
Listening to McGeeney on the Sideline eye after the game, there's no going to be no let up v Galway.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 06:51:40 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 06:23:29 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 05:49:06 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 05:24:15 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on June 01, 2025, 05:21:17 PMAt the game with no benefit of replays but f**k off Joe.
Watching it, and Joe is doing well for Armagh
Applying the rules properly and fairly you mean
Exactly, so why the Dublin Joe malarkey??
Didn't say anything about Dublin Joe
It's been a nickname he's gotten by a few Armagh supporters today but completely unfounded based on that performance
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 06:53:23 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 01, 2025, 06:40:23 PMLast goal was a pure fluke.
It wasn't a fluke. It was gifted to them through sheer defensive incompetence.
The goal can be both a fluke and a result of defensive incompetence. It was an awful shot turned into something by Derry keeper going walkabout. Final point was very well worked and taken in the circumstances.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 01, 2025, 07:02:10 PMCould be the year luck finally swings Galway's way.
Listening to McGeeney on the Sideline eye after the game, there's no going to be no let up v Galway.
Galway have struggled with Armagh in recent times, should be straightforward enough for Armagh.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 07:02:38 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 06:51:40 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 06:23:29 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 05:49:06 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 05:24:15 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on June 01, 2025, 05:21:17 PMAt the game with no benefit of replays but f**k off Joe.
Watching it, and Joe is doing well for Armagh
Applying the rules properly and fairly you mean
Exactly, so why the Dublin Joe malarkey??
Didn't say anything about Dublin Joe
It's been a nickname he's gotten by a few Armagh supporters today but completely unfounded based on that performance
New President and all that...
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 01, 2025, 07:16:03 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 07:02:38 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 06:51:40 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 06:23:29 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 05:49:06 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 05:24:15 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on June 01, 2025, 05:21:17 PMAt the game with no benefit of replays but f**k off Joe.
Watching it, and Joe is doing well for Armagh
Applying the rules properly and fairly you mean
Exactly, so why the Dublin Joe malarkey??
Didn't say anything about Dublin Joe
It's been a nickname he's gotten by a few Armagh supporters today but completely unfounded based on that performance
New President and all that...
Is that why Jarly is getting a good run?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 07:02:38 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 06:51:40 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 06:23:29 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 05:49:06 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 05:24:15 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on June 01, 2025, 05:21:17 PMAt the game with no benefit of replays but f**k off Joe.
Watching it, and Joe is doing well for Armagh
Applying the rules properly and fairly you mean
Exactly, so why the Dublin Joe malarkey??
Didn't say anything about Dublin Joe
It's been a nickname he's gotten by a few Armagh supporters today but completely unfounded based on that performance
Thought he got a couple decisions wrong. Dubs around me thought he got a couple decisions wrong so he probably done a good job
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 07:17:12 PMQuote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 01, 2025, 07:16:03 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 07:02:38 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 06:51:40 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 06:23:29 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 05:49:06 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 05:24:15 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on June 01, 2025, 05:21:17 PMAt the game with no benefit of replays but f**k off Joe.
Watching it, and Joe is doing well for Armagh
Applying the rules properly and fairly you mean
Exactly, so why the Dublin Joe malarkey??
Didn't say anything about Dublin Joe
It's been a nickname he's gotten by a few Armagh supporters today but completely unfounded based on that performance
New President and all that...
Is that why Jarly is getting a good run?
👀👀
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 06:55:32 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 06:51:40 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 06:23:29 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 05:49:06 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 05:24:15 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on June 01, 2025, 05:21:17 PMAt the game with no benefit of replays but f**k off Joe.
Watching it, and Joe is doing well for Armagh
Applying the rules properly and fairly you mean
Exactly, so why the Dublin Joe malarkey??
Didn't say anything about Dublin Joe
No, you just inserted yourself into an ongoing discussion about him.
And there was me thinking an internet discussion board was for discussing. How silly of me
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 07:19:40 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 06:55:32 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 06:51:40 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 06:23:29 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2025, 05:49:06 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2025, 05:24:15 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on June 01, 2025, 05:21:17 PMAt the game with no benefit of replays but f**k off Joe.
Watching it, and Joe is doing well for Armagh
Applying the rules properly and fairly you mean
Exactly, so why the Dublin Joe malarkey??
Didn't say anything about Dublin Joe
No, you just inserted yourself into an ongoing discussion about him.
And there was me thinking an internet discussion board was for discussing. How silly of me
Take it up with Harold, he's got the beef with Joe apparently not applying the rules
Quote from: bennydorano on June 01, 2025, 07:02:10 PMCould be the year luck finally swings Galway's way.
Listening to McGeeney on the Sideline eye after the game, there's no going to be no let up v Galway.
It certainly swung in Galway's way today and a few will be thinking it could well be Galway's year now.
Regardless of what McGeeney says he'd be daft not to run his panel for the round 3 game. It's a competition that is the survival of the fittest more so than ever before with these new rules and will you get the opportunity to rest first choice players you grab it.
something off with galway's defensive structure under these new rules... derry were cutting through them today and dublin did it the last game too. they were quite lucky to get anything out of today's game in my view. maybe these group stages will harden them and bring them on, but i don't know...something doesn't look right. think they are getting the rub of the green with derry's second half implosion and armagh winning but i think they'll get caught later on.
dublin looked as bad as i've seen them since the 00s. they haven't adapted to the new rules at all and are toothless without con. cormac costello demonstrating once again why gavin never started him in the dublin heyday.
tyrone looked leggy against mayo but i did feel there would be a reaction from mayo. still think the abject result v cavan will be their undoing as i don't see them getting anything off donegal. mad to think that they still could feasibly top the group though.
Another great weekend of group games. What's the deal with next year? Has it been approved by Congress and nailed on or is there a chance it can be reveresed/not voted in?
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 01, 2025, 08:43:44 PMAnother great weekend of group games. What's the deal with next year? Has it been approved by Congress and nailed on or is there a chance it can be reveresed/not voted in?
It's a done deal
Out of interest, Armagh have won their group and if Donegal don't win theirs, can they potentially meet in the All Ireland quarters. Or is it the case that provincial finalists can't meet?
Quote from: An Watcher on June 01, 2025, 09:08:55 PMOut of interest, Armagh have won their group and if Donegal don't win theirs, can they potentially meet in the All Ireland quarters. Or is it the case that provincial finalists can't meet?
I think they can meet in QF.
Quote from: Gael85 on June 01, 2025, 09:11:18 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 01, 2025, 09:08:55 PMOut of interest, Armagh have won their group and if Donegal don't win theirs, can they potentially meet in the All Ireland quarters. Or is it the case that provincial finalists can't meet?
I think they can meet in QF.
No,they cannot, unless it has changed from last year.
The four first-place teams from Round 1 (Group Stage) shall be drawn to play against the
four Preliminary Quarter-Finals winners, subject in the first instance to the avoidance of
repeat Provincial Final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round 1 (Group
Stage).
Quote from: armaghniac on June 01, 2025, 09:21:14 PMQuote from: Gael85 on June 01, 2025, 09:11:18 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 01, 2025, 09:08:55 PMOut of interest, Armagh have won their group and if Donegal don't win theirs, can they potentially meet in the All Ireland quarters. Or is it the case that provincial finalists can't meet?
I think they can meet in QF.
No,they cannot, unless it has changed from last year.
The four first-place teams from Round 1 (Group Stage) shall be drawn to play against the
four Preliminary Quarter-Finals winners, subject in the first instance to the avoidance of
repeat Provincial Final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round 1 (Group
Stage).
No, you are correct.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on June 01, 2025, 06:29:29 PMCavan today: at home but vastly outnumbered in the stands, out-coached on the sideline and outclassed on the pitch. Yet another predictably horrific day at the office. This should ring alarm bells as to what's going on (or not) at county board level where exorbitant sums are being spent year-on-year, and what plans they have to rip it up and start again, but it'll be business as usual - reminiscing about Mick Higgins and the Polo Grounds and consoling ourselves that the minors made an Ulster final. Tyrone on a mission against us next week only promises another evisceration and misery, and probably the end of the road for Raymond Galligan, who tries hard, but has an absolutely abject championship record and evidently got the job too early.
From listening on the radio it sounded like the sideline bust-up and the general bad humour for a few minutes shortly before half time was the turning point. That and Donegal turning Cavan over after hooter and scoring the goal. You could hear the Donegal support really get behind the team. It was one way traffic after that with the exception of a two minute spell early in the second where Cavan got a point and a two pointer from pressuring Mulreany's kick out.
If Mayo beat Donegal (can happen) and Cavan beat Tyrone (can happen), then Donegal are out, which makes no sense atall.
Quote from: screenexile on June 01, 2025, 08:44:47 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on June 01, 2025, 08:43:44 PMAnother great weekend of group games. What's the deal with next year? Has it been approved by Congress and nailed on or is there a chance it can be reveresed/not voted in?
It's a done deal
What are we replacing it with?
J70, I feared once I saw Donegal getting a bit cranky and bringing a bit more heat that it would be the likely cue for our lads to fold. They just haven't the balls or the heart or any core of belief whatsoever, but to be fair it's been hollowed out of them over the years of toiling away and getting nowhere, the reasons for which are multilayered. However, no set of intercounty players worthy of the name, especially of a reasonable calibre and as experienced as Cavan's, should ever be on the end of two such almighty humblings as we've allowed Tyrone and Donegal to inflict. It's gone so bad now that this is allowed to happen and our county, that would once be in uproar over a display like that and talk about nothing else for weeks, will shrug collectively and move on. Hardly a murmur from the small support there today, fewer again the next day v Tyrone. I don't honestly think we can regard ourselves as a proper footballing county any more, so deep has the rot been allowed to take hold that it's met with fatalism and indifference. We need a revolution to sweep the boards clean and begin again but there doesn't even seem to be any acknowledgement this is a crisis.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on June 01, 2025, 10:21:54 PMJ70, I feared once I saw Donegal getting a bit cranky and bringing a bit more heat that it would be the likely cue for our lads to fold. They just haven't the balls or the heart or any core of belief whatsoever, but to be fair it's been hollowed out of them over the years of toiling away and getting nowhere, the reasons for which are multilayered. However, no set of intercounty players worthy of the name, especially of a reasonable calibre and as experienced as Cavan's, should ever be on the end of two such almighty humblings as we've allowed Tyrone and Donegal to inflict. It's gone so bad now that this is allowed to happen and our county, that would once be in uproar over a display like that and talk about nothing else for weeks, will shrug collectively and move on. Hardly a murmur from the small support there today, fewer again the next day v Tyrone. I don't honestly think we can regard ourselves as a proper footballing county any more, so deep has the rot been allowed to take hold that it's met with fatalism and indifference. We need a revolution to sweep the boards clean and begin again but there doesn't even seem to be any acknowledgement this is a crisis.
You're at the Roscommon/Meath/Cork/Down level of producing county footballers though. All proud football counties with AI wins but haven't produced an all-round, top level squad for 15 years (except cork 2005-2010) and with the most respect I don't see it changing soon. Its always gonna be a struggle for these to compete against the institutional advantages of the top 6 teams in the country (Kerry, Galway, Mayo, Dublin, Tyrone, Donegal). These counties have now ensured a coach/player conveyor belt that looks like it might sustain them at the top indefinitely.
I'm not disparaging any of those counties mentioned above but how do we raise their level to become consistent competitors even for a short period a la Monaghan, Derry and Armagh? What's the solution? What disappoints me most about modern football is how strongly tiered it has become. Gone are the days Fermanagh, Wexford, Westmeath, Tipperary, Sligo, Longford and Wicklow could get a decent team together and mix it with the best of them for 3-4 years, lifting the spirits of whole counties. Now there's a top tier of 6, a middle tier of Derry, Monaghan, Roscommon, Cavan who cant touch the top tier and a 3rd tier who can't get anywhere near the 2nd tier. I actually blame the 4 tier league system. I'd love a return to the 2 division structure.
Quote from: ONeill on June 01, 2025, 10:18:19 PMIf Mayo beat Donegal (can happen) and Cavan beat Tyrone (can happen), then Donegal are out, which makes no sense atall.
Mayo in massive diffs still. Tyrone will beat Cavan, which means if Mayo lose, they're gone on the head to head.
Quote from: trileacman on June 01, 2025, 10:30:10 PMQuote from: cavanmaniac on June 01, 2025, 10:21:54 PMJ70, I feared once I saw Donegal getting a bit cranky and bringing a bit more heat that it would be the likely cue for our lads to fold. They just haven't the balls or the heart or any core of belief whatsoever, but to be fair it's been hollowed out of them over the years of toiling away and getting nowhere, the reasons for which are multilayered. However, no set of intercounty players worthy of the name, especially of a reasonable calibre and as experienced as Cavan's, should ever be on the end of two such almighty humblings as we've allowed Tyrone and Donegal to inflict. It's gone so bad now that this is allowed to happen and our county, that would once be in uproar over a display like that and talk about nothing else for weeks, will shrug collectively and move on. Hardly a murmur from the small support there today, fewer again the next day v Tyrone. I don't honestly think we can regard ourselves as a proper footballing county any more, so deep has the rot been allowed to take hold that it's met with fatalism and indifference. We need a revolution to sweep the boards clean and begin again but there doesn't even seem to be any acknowledgement this is a crisis.
You're at the Roscommon/Meath/Cork/Down level of producing county footballers though. All proud football counties with AI wins but haven't produced an all-round, top level squad for 15 years (except cork 2005-2010) and with the most respect I don't see it changing soon. Its always gonna be a struggle for these to compete against the institutional advantages of the top 6 teams in the country (Kerry, Galway, Mayo, Dublin, Tyrone, Donegal). These counties have now ensured a coach/player conveyor belt that looks like it might sustain them at the top indefinitely.
I'm not disparaging any of those counties mentioned above but how do we raise their level to become consistent competitors even for a short period a la Monaghan, Derry and Armagh? What's the solution? What disappoints me most about modern football is how strongly tiered it has become. Gone are the days Fermanagh, Wexford, Westmeath, Tipperary, Sligo, Longford and Wicklow could get a decent team together and mix it with the best of them for 3-4 years, lifting the spirits of whole counties. Now there's a top tier of 6, a middle tier of Derry, Monaghan, Roscommon, Cavan who cant touch the top tier and a 3rd tier who can't get anywhere near the 2nd tier. I actually blame the 4 tier league system. I'd love a return to the 2 division structure.
Armagh have none of those in built advantages. We just have a once in a century man like Geezer who I guarantee will keep us knocking at the door of the top table as long as he breathes, added to a pure Crossmaglen/South Armagh attitude of f**k yous we'll go and win an all ireland anyway and that sprinkle of Lurgan quality.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on June 01, 2025, 10:21:54 PMJ70, I feared once I saw Donegal getting a bit cranky and bringing a bit more heat that it would be the likely cue for our lads to fold. They just haven't the balls or the heart or any core of belief whatsoever, but to be fair it's been hollowed out of them over the years of toiling away and getting nowhere, the reasons for which are multilayered. However, no set of intercounty players worthy of the name, especially of a reasonable calibre and as experienced as Cavan's, should ever be on the end of two such almighty humblings as we've allowed Tyrone and Donegal to inflict. It's gone so bad now that this is allowed to happen and our county, that would once be in uproar over a display like that and talk about nothing else for weeks, will shrug collectively and move on. Hardly a murmur from the small support there today, fewer again the next day v Tyrone. I don't honestly think we can regard ourselves as a proper footballing county any more, so deep has the rot been allowed to take hold that it's met with fatalism and indifference. We need a revolution to sweep the boards clean and begin again but there doesn't even seem to be any acknowledgement this is a crisis.
On the radio the commentator seemed to say that Murphy struck a Cavan player on the head (he got a yellow) and then went on to say he was remonstrating with the ref at half time. Was he lucky to stay on the pitch?
Quote from: APM on June 01, 2025, 10:53:13 PMQuote from: cavanmaniac on June 01, 2025, 10:21:54 PMJ70, I feared once I saw Donegal getting a bit cranky and bringing a bit more heat that it would be the likely cue for our lads to fold. They just haven't the balls or the heart or any core of belief whatsoever, but to be fair it's been hollowed out of them over the years of toiling away and getting nowhere, the reasons for which are multilayered. However, no set of intercounty players worthy of the name, especially of a reasonable calibre and as experienced as Cavan's, should ever be on the end of two such almighty humblings as we've allowed Tyrone and Donegal to inflict. It's gone so bad now that this is allowed to happen and our county, that would once be in uproar over a display like that and talk about nothing else for weeks, will shrug collectively and move on. Hardly a murmur from the small support there today, fewer again the next day v Tyrone. I don't honestly think we can regard ourselves as a proper footballing county any more, so deep has the rot been allowed to take hold that it's met with fatalism and indifference. We need a revolution to sweep the boards clean and begin again but there doesn't even seem to be any acknowledgement this is a crisis.
On the radio the commentator seemed to say that Murphy struck a Cavan player on the head (he got a yellow) and then went on to say he was remonstrating with the ref at half time. Was he lucky to stay on the pitch?
St Michael? I hope the ref stopped play to make sure his knuckles were ok after that?
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 03:48:24 PMI know there are a few die hards on here but can anyone tell me what McFaul brings to Derry at this stage? I know he works his arse off but he was a complete non entity in the second half there today.
Mcguigan well worth a card of whatever colour in any babe be plays. Can't resist getting involved in messing. Also, shortly before he went off Walsh missed a 2 point effort and McEvoy made sure to let him know about and gave him a shove in the face. Wonder if he's feeling quite as chipper now considering how disastrous Derry were in front of their own goal.
Funny how different people call a performance of a player differently. McFaul was immense today, all day. He can be pounderous on the ball, but much more direct today. He was available consistently for the out ball. Covered runners and space, a huge shift.
Did feel like a loss, but when the dust settled there were so many positives today. A real championship game played in poor conditions. All the core men really stood up, but huge credit to McGurk and Higgins who had great games imo.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 01, 2025, 06:41:24 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 06:38:44 PMTeams that throw away 8 point leads with 20 minutes left don't "deserve" anything. Nothing Galway got was a fluke. It was gifted to them on a plate through awful play. Derry got precisely what they deserved.
8 points ain't what it used to be. Relatively easy to claw it back nowadays.
Agreed, especially with the wind on your backs, and you factor in 2 goals coming from sideline balls called incorrectly.
Quote from: Mario on June 01, 2025, 06:53:58 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 06:32:28 PMQuote from: Mario on June 01, 2025, 06:19:33 PMIf Derry got what they deserved Galway would be out. Now they have a game against a team that has qualified top of group. Fine margins.
What rubbish is this? In what way did Derry "deserve" the win there? McKinless was brutal.
Two very jammy goals for Galway, one of which should have been a sideline ball for Derry. We also played better than Galway bar a 15 min period
Galway's third goal was one of the actual few very good moves they put together and I'm pretty sure it was a Galway sideline ball - Derry player got an even later touch on it than the Galway player.
Quote from: trileacman on June 01, 2025, 10:30:10 PMQuote from: cavanmaniac on June 01, 2025, 10:21:54 PMJ70, I feared once I saw Donegal getting a bit cranky and bringing a bit more heat that it would be the likely cue for our lads to fold. They just haven't the balls or the heart or any core of belief whatsoever, but to be fair it's been hollowed out of them over the years of toiling away and getting nowhere, the reasons for which are multilayered. However, no set of intercounty players worthy of the name, especially of a reasonable calibre and as experienced as Cavan's, should ever be on the end of two such almighty humblings as we've allowed Tyrone and Donegal to inflict. It's gone so bad now that this is allowed to happen and our county, that would once be in uproar over a display like that and talk about nothing else for weeks, will shrug collectively and move on. Hardly a murmur from the small support there today, fewer again the next day v Tyrone. I don't honestly think we can regard ourselves as a proper footballing county any more, so deep has the rot been allowed to take hold that it's met with fatalism and indifference. We need a revolution to sweep the boards clean and begin again but there doesn't even seem to be any acknowledgement this is a crisis.
You're at the Roscommon/Meath/Cork/Down level of producing county footballers though. All proud football counties with AI wins but haven't produced an all-round, top level squad for 15 years (except cork 2005-2010) and with the most respect I don't see it changing soon. Its always gonna be a struggle for these to compete against the institutional advantages of the top 6 teams in the country (Kerry, Galway, Mayo, Dublin, Tyrone, Donegal). These counties have now ensured a coach/player conveyor belt that looks like it might sustain them at the top indefinitely.
I'm not disparaging any of those counties mentioned above but how do we raise their level to become consistent competitors even for a short period a la Monaghan, Derry and Armagh? What's the solution? What disappoints me most about modern football is how strongly tiered it has become. Gone are the days Fermanagh, Wexford, Westmeath, Tipperary, Sligo, Longford and Wicklow could get a decent team together and mix it with the best of them for 3-4 years, lifting the spirits of whole counties. Now there's a top tier of 6, a middle tier of Derry, Monaghan, Roscommon, Cavan who cant touch the top tier and a 3rd tier who can't get anywhere near the 2nd tier. I actually blame the 4 tier league system. I'd love a return to the 2 division structure.
Hard to disagree, but they will still qualify V Mayo as it is out of their hands. Crazy but true.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 01, 2025, 11:43:30 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 01, 2025, 06:41:24 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 06:38:44 PMTeams that throw away 8 point leads with 20 minutes left don't "deserve" anything. Nothing Galway got was a fluke. It was gifted to them on a plate through awful play. Derry got precisely what they deserved.
8 points ain't what it used to be. Relatively easy to claw it back nowadays.
Agreed, especially with the wind on your backs, and you factor in 2 goals coming from sideline balls called incorrectly.
There's one debatable sideline ball. Still, in it's isolation, that's still only a sideline ball given the wrong direction, near midfield. It's up to Derry to defend from that point
What far far more contentious is McGuigans 3 points in the first half. One an absolute ridiculous free that went the wrong direction that McGuigan tapped over for 2pt with the big wind. The other, the trip on Maher that left McFaul with a tap over point. Two huge decisions that far outweigh a debatable sideline given on the opposing sides 65. That's before we even get into the Comer penalty debacle
Quote from: cavanmaniac on June 01, 2025, 10:21:54 PMJ70, I feared once I saw Donegal getting a bit cranky and bringing a bit more heat that it would be the likely cue for our lads to fold. They just haven't the balls or the heart or any core of belief whatsoever, but to be fair it's been hollowed out of them over the years of toiling away and getting nowhere, the reasons for which are multilayered. However, no set of intercounty players worthy of the name, especially of a reasonable calibre and as experienced as Cavan's, should ever be on the end of two such almighty humblings as we've allowed Tyrone and Donegal to inflict. It's gone so bad now that this is allowed to happen and our county, that would once be in uproar over a display like that and talk about nothing else for weeks, will shrug collectively and move on. Hardly a murmur from the small support there today, fewer again the next day v Tyrone. I don't honestly think we can regard ourselves as a proper footballing county any more, so deep has the rot been allowed to take hold that it's met with fatalism and indifference. We need a revolution to sweep the boards clean and begin again but there doesn't even seem to be any acknowledgement this is a crisis.
I sympathize. We were at a generational low just two years ago with the end of Bonner's reign and the appalling football it was producing, then the Paddy Carr fiasco, the Lacey/academy nonsense, the county board audit, and the caretaker campaign where Aidan O'Rourke and Paddy Bradley did their best with a depleted squad but couldn't avoid relegation or a limp exit at home to Tyrone. Not sure what your solution is, or even where we would be now had McGuinness not come back, but you have to get the right people in charge at all levels. Once the public sees a bit of progress and something building, they'll start coming out again.
Quote from: joemamas on June 02, 2025, 12:21:23 AMQuote from: trileacman on June 01, 2025, 10:30:10 PMQuote from: cavanmaniac on June 01, 2025, 10:21:54 PMJ70, I feared once I saw Donegal getting a bit cranky and bringing a bit more heat that it would be the likely cue for our lads to fold. They just haven't the balls or the heart or any core of belief whatsoever, but to be fair it's been hollowed out of them over the years of toiling away and getting nowhere, the reasons for which are multilayered. However, no set of intercounty players worthy of the name, especially of a reasonable calibre and as experienced as Cavan's, should ever be on the end of two such almighty humblings as we've allowed Tyrone and Donegal to inflict. It's gone so bad now that this is allowed to happen and our county, that would once be in uproar over a display like that and talk about nothing else for weeks, will shrug collectively and move on. Hardly a murmur from the small support there today, fewer again the next day v Tyrone. I don't honestly think we can regard ourselves as a proper footballing county any more, so deep has the rot been allowed to take hold that it's met with fatalism and indifference. We need a revolution to sweep the boards clean and begin again but there doesn't even seem to be any acknowledgement this is a crisis.
You're at the Roscommon/Meath/Cork/Down level of producing county footballers though. All proud football counties with AI wins but haven't produced an all-round, top level squad for 15 years (except cork 2005-2010) and with the most respect I don't see it changing soon. Its always gonna be a struggle for these to compete against the institutional advantages of the top 6 teams in the country (Kerry, Galway, Mayo, Dublin, Tyrone, Donegal). These counties have now ensured a coach/player conveyor belt that looks like it might sustain them at the top indefinitely.
I'm not disparaging any of those counties mentioned above but how do we raise their level to become consistent competitors even for a short period a la Monaghan, Derry and Armagh? What's the solution? What disappoints me most about modern football is how strongly tiered it has become. Gone are the days Fermanagh, Wexford, Westmeath, Tipperary, Sligo, Longford and Wicklow could get a decent team together and mix it with the best of them for 3-4 years, lifting the spirits of whole counties. Now there's a top tier of 6, a middle tier of Derry, Monaghan, Roscommon, Cavan who cant touch the top tier and a 3rd tier who can't get anywhere near the 2nd tier. I actually blame the 4 tier league system. I'd love a return to the 2 division structure.
Hard to disagree, but they will still qualify V Mayo as it is out of their hands. Crazy but true.
I don't know joemamas. Your lads were seriously impressive yesterday, especially after Tyrone had clawed things back with 15 left. It's a 50-50 match between yourselves and ourselves, while Cavan have a horrific record against Tyrone, including their Ulster game last month.
Quote from: mouview on June 01, 2025, 11:46:20 PMQuote from: Mario on June 01, 2025, 06:53:58 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 01, 2025, 06:32:28 PMQuote from: Mario on June 01, 2025, 06:19:33 PMIf Derry got what they deserved Galway would be out. Now they have a game against a team that has qualified top of group. Fine margins.
What rubbish is this? In what way did Derry "deserve" the win there? McKinless was brutal.
Two very jammy goals for Galway, one of which should have been a sideline ball for Derry. We also played better than Galway bar a 15 min period
Galway's third goal was one of the actual few very good moves they put together and I'm pretty sure it was a Galway sideline ball - Derry player got an even later touch on it than the Galway player.
That sideline looked to be taken well down the line from where the ball went out of play. It was well worked though from a Galway perspective. Well weighted pass initially to set it up.
I heard a Derry fan shout to the referee. "There are 32 counties in Ireland not 26" implying that he was favouring the southern team. He must not have realised the referee was from Fermanagh.
When you've a bag of spuds on yer shoulder..
An exciting last round to come which could see a "big" team or 2 eliminated ?
Tyrone, Mayowestros, Galway, Dublin in the firing line.
Only Armagh sure of anything (Qtr Final) as far as I can see.
Hopefully venues abd times announced tomorrow to enable people make travel plans, teams to book accomodation and have a but of build up.,
Hoping for Portlaoise for our game.
Should play a prediction game. Here's my effort:
Kerry-Meath in Portlaoise
Roscommon-Cork in Limerick
Donegal-Mayo in Sligo
Tyrone-Cavan in Enniskillen
Down-Monaghan in Armagh
Louth-Clare in Portlaoise
Armagh-Galway in Cavan/Roscommon
Dublin-Derry in Clones
Kerry-Meath in Portlaoise
Roscommon-Cork in Ennis
Donegal-Mayo in Carrick
Tyrone-Cavan in Enniskillen
Down-Monaghan in Armagh
Louth-Clare in Mullingar
Armagh-Galway in Cavan
Dublin-Derry in Newry
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Ennis probably a better shout for Ros-Cork alright. Gaelic Grounds will be way too big for it.
Quote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 02:15:50 PMShould play a prediction game. Here's my effort:
Kerry-Meath in Portlaoise
Roscommon-Cork in Limerick
Donegal-Mayo in Sligo
Tyrone-Cavan in Enniskillen
Down-Monaghan in Armagh
Louth-Clare in Portlaoise
Armagh-Galway in Cavan/Roscommon
Dublin-Derry in Clones
I think Markievicz Park is closed for a new surface. Armagh v Galway was in Carrick the last time but probably needs a bigger venue.
Quote from: oakleafgael on June 02, 2025, 02:35:03 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 02:15:50 PMShould play a prediction game. Here's my effort:
Kerry-Meath in Portlaoise
Roscommon-Cork in Limerick
Donegal-Mayo in Sligo
Tyrone-Cavan in Enniskillen
Down-Monaghan in Armagh
Louth-Clare in Portlaoise
Armagh-Galway in Cavan/Roscommon
Dublin-Derry in Clones
I think Markievicz Park is closed for a new surface. Armagh v Galway was in Carrick the last time but probably needs a bigger venue.
Mightnt be that awfully many Armagh ones at it given its dead rubber for us
Surely they have to cater to all the die hard Armagh season ticket holders, no?!
Missed that about Sligo, although possibly ringing a very faint bell. In that case I'll say if Armagh-Galway is in Breffni or the Hyde, the Donegal-Mayo game will end up in the other one.
Quote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 02:38:47 PMSurely they have to cater to all the die hard Armagh season ticket holders, no?!
Missed that about Sligo, although possibly ringing a very faint bell. In that case I'll say if Armagh-Galway is in Breffni or the Hyde, the Donegal-Mayo game will end up in the other one.
How many does Carrick hold?
Should really be in Ulster given its been in Connacht the last 2 years, I'm sure if had been a game to top the group it would have been in Croker.
What province it's in shouldn't matter as long as it's a fair trip to a decent, appropriate stadium for both teams.
Galway City to Cavan is twice the trip it is from Armagh. Carrick is more or less bang in the middle if 10k is sufficient. Moving it to Breffni because it was in Sligo last year would be mad
Quote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 02:30:02 PMEnnis probably a better shout for Ros-Cork alright. Gaelic Grounds will be way too big for it.
I'm hoping they might put a Cork v Rossies and Kerry v Meath double header on in Limerick. Better pitch and venue than than Portlaoise.
Quote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 02:15:50 PMShould play a prediction game. Here's my effort:
Kerry-Meath in Portlaoise
Roscommon-Cork in Limerick
Donegal-Mayo in Sligo
Tyrone-Cavan in Enniskillen
Down-Monaghan in Armagh
Louth-Clare in Portlaoise
Armagh-Galway in Cavan/Roscommon
Dublin-Derry in Clones
This sounds more exciting than predicting the scores ;D
I'll have a go later....
won't happen but would like to see Tyrone v Cavan at Athletic Grounds.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on June 02, 2025, 03:26:39 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 02:30:02 PMEnnis probably a better shout for Ros-Cork alright. Gaelic Grounds will be way too big for it.
I'm hoping they might put a Cork v Rossies and Kerry v Meath double header on in Limerick. Better pitch and venue than than Portlaoise.
I'd like them to spread them around a good bit. Not a single dead rubber so show off the game around the country a bit. If that means smaller venues for each game, great!
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on June 02, 2025, 03:26:39 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 02:30:02 PMEnnis probably a better shout for Ros-Cork alright. Gaelic Grounds will be way too big for it.
I'm hoping they might put a Cork v Rossies and Kerry v Meath double header on in Limerick. Better pitch and venue than than Portlaoise.
They can't do that. Both of those games need to be played at the same time.
My guess
Mayo v Donegal - Breffni Park or Hyde Park
Cavan v Tyrone - Clones or Brewster Park
Kerry v Meath - Portlaoise or Thurles
Roscommon v Cork- Portlaoise or Ennis
Monaghan v Down - Armagh or Omagh
Louth v Clare - Tullamore or Mullingar
Galway v Armagh - Carrick on Shannon or Breffni Park
Dublin v Derry - Clones or Breffni Park
Quote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 03:22:38 PMWhat province it's in shouldn't matter as long as it's a fair trip to a decent, appropriate stadium for both teams.
Galway City to Cavan is twice the trip it is from Armagh. Carrick is more or less bang in the middle if 10k is sufficient. Moving it to Breffni because it was in Sligo last year would be mad
Some parts of the traditional footballing stronghold of north galway is only 45 minutes from Carrick and 2 hours from Armagh.
Hard to get it right to suit everyone.
Quote from: clarshack on June 02, 2025, 03:30:39 PMwon't happen but would like to see Tyrone v Cavan at Athletic Grounds.
Down and Monaghan probably a certainty for Armagh. Cavan Tyrone Clones?
Tyrone v Cavan is already marked for Brewster Park. Keep up folks!
Quote from: clarshack on June 02, 2025, 03:30:39 PMwon't happen but would like to see Tyrone v Cavan at Athletic Grounds.
Monaghan v Down will likely be there.
Quote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 03:22:38 PMWhat province it's in shouldn't matter as long as it's a fair trip to a decent, appropriate stadium for both teams.
Galway City to Cavan is twice the trip it is from Armagh. Carrick is more or less bang in the middle if 10k is sufficient. Moving it to Breffni because it was in Sligo last year would be mad
So you do not agree that there should be some balance in these things? I expect it was in Sligo last year because Carrick was not big enough and if a bigger venue is needed this year then Cavan is symmetrical with Sligo last year. One wonders how many 3 ticket packages were purchased for instance, apparently Armagh was the only county where these sold out (which puts into context some other people complaining about cost) and Armagh season ticket holders who might want to go, or perhaps they could just not count this game either when qualifying for AI tickets?
Quote from: weareros on June 02, 2025, 03:38:24 PMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on June 02, 2025, 03:26:39 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 02:30:02 PMEnnis probably a better shout for Ros-Cork alright. Gaelic Grounds will be way too big for it.
I'm hoping they might put a Cork v Rossies and Kerry v Meath double header on in Limerick. Better pitch and venue than than Portlaoise.
They can't do that. Both of those games need to be played at the same time.
Never thought of that! ::)
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 02, 2025, 03:41:01 PMMy guess
Mayo v Donegal - Breffni Park or Hyde Park
Cavan v Tyrone - Clones or Brewster Park
Kerry v Meath - Portlaoise or Thurles
Roscommon v Cork- Portlaoise or Ennis
Monaghan v Down - Armagh or Omagh
Louth v Clare - Tullamore or Mullingar
Galway v Armagh - Carrick on Shannon or Breffni Park
Dublin v Derry - Clones or Breffni Park
Those are not guesses - they're options!
I'd prefer Derry v Dublin in Clones, but it'll be in Newry
I just can't get enough of that delicious half flat room temperature beer served in a plastic glass that Creightons do.. No one does it better
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 02, 2025, 03:43:06 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 03:22:38 PMWhat province it's in shouldn't matter as long as it's a fair trip to a decent, appropriate stadium for both teams.
Galway City to Cavan is twice the trip it is from Armagh. Carrick is more or less bang in the middle if 10k is sufficient. Moving it to Breffni because it was in Sligo last year would be mad
Some parts of the traditional footballing stronghold of north galway is only 45 minutes from Carrick and 2 hours from Armagh.
Hard to get it right to suit everyone.
And Breffni is an hour from the South Armagh footballing stronghold but over two from Salthill etc etc
Hard to suit everyone as you say but you can objectively find a more balanced option than Breffni
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 02, 2025, 03:41:01 PMMy guess
Mayo v Donegal - Breffni Park or Hyde Park
Cavan v Tyrone - Clones or Brewster Park
Kerry v Meath - Portlaoise or Thurles
Roscommon v Cork- Portlaoise or Ennis
Monaghan v Down - Armagh or Omagh
Louth v Clare - Tullamore or Mullingar
Galway v Armagh - Carrick on Shannon or Breffni Park
Dublin v Derry - Clones or Breffni Park
Bound to play Monaghan Down in Armagh?
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 01, 2025, 01:24:14 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 31, 2025, 09:57:31 PMVery poor by Tyrone tonight somewhat lost the run of themselves with that win over Donegal who was a little lost without Patton. Well done Mayo with that win they blow the group wide open.
The win over Donegal and the manner of it cannot be underestimated, both in terms of what it meant to Tyrone and Donegal. Tyrone certainly didn't back it up tonight which is disappointing but they're still a work in progress after a couple of years when they were a rudderless ship. Also missed some key men while blooding some very talented young players - with a lot more to come. And crucially, the narrative that Mayo were done was seriously flawed. Anyone who thought Tyrone had "lost the run of themselves" wasn't seeing the bigger picture
I'm guessing you meant to say 'overestimated' instead of 'underestimated' given the rest of your post.
Plenty did appear to be overestimating the win after last weekend, it wasn't "work in progress" it was "All-Ireland contenders". Funny enough in fairness.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2025, 03:51:00 PM.
Quote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 03:22:38 PMWhat province it's in shouldn't matter as long as it's a fair trip to a decent, appropriate stadium for both teams.
Galway City to Cavan is twice the trip it is from Armagh. Carrick is more or less bang in the middle if 10k is sufficient. Moving it to Breffni because it was in Sligo last year would be mad
So you do not agree that there should be some balance in these things? I expect it was in Sligo last year because Carrick was not big enough and if a bigger venue is needed this year then Cavan is symmetrical with Sligo last year. One wonders how many 3 ticket packages were purchased for instance, apparently Armagh was the only county where these sold out (which puts into context some other people complaining about cost) and Armagh season ticket holders who might want to go, or perhaps they could just not count this game either when qualifying for AI tickets?
I'm objectively trying to find balance, as I suspect you well know. What happened last year, whether right or wrong, should have no bearing on things. It's pure luck of the draw that they're playing each other the third year running.
In terms of Armagh people who snapped up three game packages, I haven't three foggiest. Maybe you'd gain more insight chatting with some of your fellow county men here who have suggested that given Armagh have first place wrapped up, lots of fans might not be bothered going too the Galway game.
Quote from: Orior on June 02, 2025, 03:51:43 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 02, 2025, 03:41:01 PMMy guess
Mayo v Donegal - Breffni Park or Hyde Park
Cavan v Tyrone - Clones or Brewster Park
Kerry v Meath - Portlaoise or Thurles
Roscommon v Cork- Portlaoise or Ennis
Monaghan v Down - Armagh or Omagh
Louth v Clare - Tullamore or Mullingar
Galway v Armagh - Carrick on Shannon or Breffni Park
Dublin v Derry - Clones or Breffni Park
Those are not guesses - they're options!
A guess at the options.
Quote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 04:25:50 PMQuote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2025, 03:51:00 PM.
Quote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 03:22:38 PMWhat province it's in shouldn't matter as long as it's a fair trip to a decent, appropriate stadium for both teams.
Galway City to Cavan is twice the trip it is from Armagh. Carrick is more or less bang in the middle if 10k is sufficient. Moving it to Breffni because it was in Sligo last year would be mad
So you do not agree that there should be some balance in these things? I expect it was in Sligo last year because Carrick was not big enough and if a bigger venue is needed this year then Cavan is symmetrical with Sligo last year. One wonders how many 3 ticket packages were purchased for instance, apparently Armagh was the only county where these sold out (which puts into context some other people complaining about cost) and Armagh season ticket holders who might want to go, or perhaps they could just not count this game either when qualifying for AI tickets?
I'm objectively trying to find balance, as I suspect you well know. What happened last year, whether right or wrong, should have no bearing on things. It's pure luck of the draw that they're playing each other the third year running.
You can't keep on playing "neutral" games much closer to one team than another, unless you are Dublin.
Quote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 04:25:50 PMIn terms of Armagh people who snapped up three game packages, I haven't three foggiest. Maybe you'd gain more insight chatting with some of your fellow county men here who have suggested that given Armagh have first place wrapped up, lots of fans might not be bothered going too the Galway game.
They might not go, I might not go myself because of other circumstances. However, can you run a game on the basis that a lot of the ticket holders will not go? I suppose they could use Carrick and tell people to transfer their tickets on Ticketmaster if they were not going, but it is such a shite website that it would be less trouble to drive to Galway.
Edit Galway to Cavan only takes about 15 mins more than Carrick-on-Shannon as you can go via Athlone on the motorway, but it saves 50 mins for Armagh people, who will be the majority of people there.
Quote from: J70 on June 02, 2025, 01:26:45 AMQuote from: cavanmaniac on June 01, 2025, 10:21:54 PMJ70, I feared once I saw Donegal getting a bit cranky and bringing a bit more heat that it would be the likely cue for our lads to fold. They just haven't the balls or the heart or any core of belief whatsoever, but to be fair it's been hollowed out of them over the years of toiling away and getting nowhere, the reasons for which are multilayered. However, no set of intercounty players worthy of the name, especially of a reasonable calibre and as experienced as Cavan's, should ever be on the end of two such almighty humblings as we've allowed Tyrone and Donegal to inflict. It's gone so bad now that this is allowed to happen and our county, that would once be in uproar over a display like that and talk about nothing else for weeks, will shrug collectively and move on. Hardly a murmur from the small support there today, fewer again the next day v Tyrone. I don't honestly think we can regard ourselves as a proper footballing county any more, so deep has the rot been allowed to take hold that it's met with fatalism and indifference. We need a revolution to sweep the boards clean and begin again but there doesn't even seem to be any acknowledgement this is a crisis.
I sympathize. We were at a generational low just two years ago with the end of Bonner's reign and the appalling football it was producing, then the Paddy Carr fiasco, the Lacey/academy nonsense, the county board audit, and the caretaker campaign where Aidan O'Rourke and Paddy Bradley did their best with a depleted squad but couldn't avoid relegation or a limp exit at home to Tyrone. Not sure what your solution is, or even where we would be now had McGuinness not come back, but you have to get the right people in charge at all levels. Once the public sees a bit of progress and something building, they'll start coming out again.
You've hit the nail square on the head. A county of Cavan's resources and footballing culture should, if only by accident, periodically challenge and threaten the elite. Consider how many counties' fortunes have waxed and waned, enjoying many days in the sun, exactly as you've described Donegal's, while Cavan can't even seem to get a broken clock to be right even twice a day! We have singularly failed to make any national impact since our last All-Ireland final appearance in 1952, with no U21 or minor All-Ireland title in that period either. How in God's name can that be allowed to stand? That's an utterly damning indictment of the stewardship of the county in general and although it's a largely voluntary organisation, with the massive sums of money involved now, there simply has to be more scrutiny and tough questions asked in Cavan about who precisely is responsible for arresting this slide and what their detailed plans are in that regard. Those conversations are simply not happening in Cavan, and never have as far as I can see, with our current CB fully focused on building a shiny new stadium from which our neighbours will primarily benefit in having a lovely spot to play their All-Ireland QFs in, while we perenially fumble about in the Tailteann. It absolutely is about getting the right people in charge and getting it all aligned but that can't happen until you acknowledge there's a huge problem (of which the decision to prematurely appoint Galligan now appears emblematic) and there's no sign of that level of self awareness descending on decision-makers in Cavan. Attendance figures and severe apathy among the Cavan support that did show up is sounding a huge alarm that nobody is heeding and we really might be about to sink lower still.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2025, 04:31:29 PMYou can't keep on playing "neutral" games much closer to one team than another
Fully agree! The logical conclusion following on from that being that Breffni is significantly closer to Armagh than Galway...
Quote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 04:58:13 PMQuote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2025, 04:31:29 PMYou can't keep on playing "neutral" games much closer to one team than another
Fully agree! The logical conclusion following on from that being that Breffni is significantly closer to Armagh than Galway...
There is no question about this. The venue should be Cavan Town. Both Carrick and Sligo are twice as close to the nearest point in Galway as they are to the nearest point in Armagh. I know Galway is a much bigger county but it would be very unfair to Armagh followers to take this game back in to Connacht for a third year running.
Play it in feckin Páirc Uà Chaoimh so both Counties can have a good moan
Quote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 04:58:13 PMQuote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2025, 04:31:29 PMYou can't keep on playing "neutral" games much closer to one team than another
Fully agree! The logical conclusion following on from that being that Breffni is significantly closer to Armagh than Galway...
Of course it is closer, although as I pointed out the travel time difference is not as great. I said "keep on playing", I did not say that Breffni should inevitably be used for all Armagh-Galway games, but that as it as Sligo last year it is balanced. Perhaps we should just toss for home advantage?
Mayo v Donegal - Breffni Part
Cavan v Tyrone - Brewster Park
Kerry v Meath - Portlaoise
Roscommon v Cork- Ennis
Monaghan v Down - Armagh
Louth v Clare - Tullamore
Galway v Armagh - Mullingar
Dublin v Derry - Newry
Probably wrong to call these predictions because I don't have a clue on that front, it's just what I would do
Quote from: Rossfan on June 02, 2025, 05:31:45 PMPlay it in feckin Páirc Uà Chaoimh so both Counties can have a good moan
Too close to Galway....
Mayo v Donegal - Cavan
Cavan v Tyrone - Enniskillen
Kerry v Meath - Tullamore
Roscommon v Cork- Portlaoise
Monaghan v Down - Armagh
Louth v Clare - Longford
Galway v Armagh - Navan
Dublin v Derry - Newry
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 02, 2025, 09:04:47 PMMayo v Donegal - Cavan
Cavan v Tyrone - Enniskillen
Kerry v Meath - Tullamore
Roscommon v Cork- Portlaoise
Monaghan v Down - Armagh
Louth v Clare - Longford
Galway v Armagh - Navan
Dublin v Derry - Newry
Navan is actually a good shout for Galway Armagh
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 02, 2025, 09:16:16 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 02, 2025, 09:04:47 PMMayo v Donegal - Cavan
Cavan v Tyrone - Enniskillen
Kerry v Meath - Tullamore
Roscommon v Cork- Portlaoise
Monaghan v Down - Armagh
Louth v Clare - Longford
Galway v Armagh - Navan
Dublin v Derry - Newry
Navan is actually a good shout for Galway Armagh
It's carrick on Shannon
On the Saturday
Quote from: AnDúnAbú94 on June 02, 2025, 08:36:24 PMMayo v Donegal - Breffni Part
Cavan v Tyrone - Brewster Park
Kerry v Meath - Portlaoise
Roscommon v Cork- Ennis
Monaghan v Down - Armagh
Louth v Clare - Tullamore
Galway v Armagh - Mullingar
Dublin v Derry - Newry
Probably wrong to call these predictions because I don't have a clue on that front, it's just what I would do
All of this makes perfect sense to me. Are you a geography teacher ?
Quote from: In hiding on June 02, 2025, 10:31:44 PMQuote from: AnDúnAbú94 on June 02, 2025, 08:36:24 PMMayo v Donegal - Breffni Part
Cavan v Tyrone - Brewster Park
Kerry v Meath - Portlaoise
Roscommon v Cork- Ennis
Monaghan v Down - Armagh
Louth v Clare - Tullamore
Galway v Armagh - Mullingar
Dublin v Derry - Newry
Probably wrong to call these predictions because I don't have a clue on that front, it's just what I would do
All of this makes perfect sense to me. Are you a geography teacher ?
Breffni hardly makes sense for donegal v mayo.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 02, 2025, 11:04:28 PMQuote from: In hiding on June 02, 2025, 10:31:44 PMQuote from: AnDúnAbú94 on June 02, 2025, 08:36:24 PMMayo v Donegal - Breffni Part
Cavan v Tyrone - Brewster Park
Kerry v Meath - Portlaoise
Roscommon v Cork- Ennis
Monaghan v Down - Armagh
Louth v Clare - Tullamore
Galway v Armagh - Mullingar
Dublin v Derry - Newry
Probably wrong to call these predictions because I don't have a clue on that front, it's just what I would do
All of this makes perfect sense to me. Are you a geography teacher ?
Breffni hardly makes sense for donegal v mayo.
I said it makes sense to me. Doesn't mean that it makes sense
There will be a double header in Croker. Not to suit any fans. The Vendors and corporate Boxes need use.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 03, 2025, 12:39:00 AMThere will be a double header in Croker. Not to suit any fans. The Vendors and corporate Boxes need use.
There won't. Its already been ruled out according to Cahair O'Kane.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 03, 2025, 12:39:00 AMThere will be a double header in Croker. Not to suit any fans. The Vendors and corporate Boxes need use.
Croker having the URC rugby final on the Saturday if Leinster win their semi
Mayowestros v Donegal - Hyde
Cavan v Tyrone - Enniskillen
Kerry v Meath and Louth v Clare possibly double header Portlaoise
Ros v Cork - anywhere but feckin Ennis please
Monaghan v Down - Armagh
Galway v Armagh Breffni
Derry v Dublin -Clones
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 03, 2025, 10:10:25 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 01, 2025, 05:45:59 PMHave Derry a chance v Dublin?
Why would they not?
that is a game I am looking forward to seeing. Should be a cracker. Maybe 55:45 in favour of Dublin? Derry certainly have a chance
What time are the CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC meeting does anyone know?
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 03, 2025, 10:10:25 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 01, 2025, 05:45:59 PMHave Derry a chance v Dublin?
Why would they not?
Because their the most Jekyll and Hyde team I've ever come across.
Remind me of Mayo; but Mayo are inconsistent from game to game; Derry go from 100 to 0 to 100 in the middle of games.
Would love nothing more than the Dubs to be gone in the groups.
Anyone know why Down GAA were allowed to streamed the Down-Louth game but the GAA refused to allow Armagh GAA stream the Armagh-Derry game?
Quote from: naka on June 02, 2025, 10:21:57 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 02, 2025, 09:16:16 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 02, 2025, 09:04:47 PMMayo v Donegal - Cavan
Cavan v Tyrone - Enniskillen
Kerry v Meath - Tullamore
Roscommon v Cork- Portlaoise
Monaghan v Down - Armagh
Louth v Clare - Longford
Galway v Armagh - Navan
Dublin v Derry - Newry
Navan is actually a good shout for Galway Armagh
It's carrick on Shannon
On the Saturday
You mean Kerry will finally be lured out of Munster?
No doubt the fools at CCCCCC will take Derry Dublin to Clones. Newry the obvious choice.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 03, 2025, 11:38:49 AMNo doubt the fools at CCCCCC will take Derry Dublin to Clones. Newry the obvious choice.
Newry or Armagh both probably better options. Why do you think Clones?
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 02, 2025, 09:04:47 PMMayo v Donegal - Cavan
Cavan v Tyrone - Enniskillen
Kerry v Meath - Tullamore
Roscommon v Cork- Portlaoise
Monaghan v Down - Armagh
Louth v Clare - Longford
Galway v Armagh - Navan
Dublin v Derry - Newry
Can't see any of the above in Bold holding games as they will be away themselves on Saturday.
Quote from: inroundthesquare on June 03, 2025, 11:28:18 AMAnyone know why Down GAA were allowed to streamed the Down-Louth game but the GAA refused to allow Armagh GAA stream the Armagh-Derry game?
The audio was streamed officially - some found/shared a link to the private stream. I think every game has that for media viewing etc.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 03, 2025, 11:39:53 AMQuote from: Walter Cronc on June 03, 2025, 11:38:49 AMNo doubt the fools at CCCCCC will take Derry Dublin to Clones. Newry the obvious choice.
Newry or Armagh both probably better options. Why do you think Clones?
Bigger crowd of dubs can be accommodated.
Would prefer either of the other two.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 03, 2025, 11:49:27 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 03, 2025, 11:39:53 AMQuote from: Walter Cronc on June 03, 2025, 11:38:49 AMNo doubt the fools at CCCCCC will take Derry Dublin to Clones. Newry the obvious choice.
Newry or Armagh both probably better options. Why do you think Clones?
Bigger crowd of dubs can be accommodated.
Would prefer either of the other two.
Knowing the GAA, they'll probably take it to Breffni. Said it before, but Christ knows why these venues/dates/times couldn't be announced in advance to let people plan. Then they'll yap about the lack of crowds.
Quote from: APM on June 02, 2025, 05:20:43 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 04:58:13 PMQuote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2025, 04:31:29 PMYou can't keep on playing "neutral" games much closer to one team than another
Fully agree! The logical conclusion following on from that being that Breffni is significantly closer to Armagh than Galway...
There is no question about this. The venue should be Cavan Town. Both Carrick and Sligo are twice as close to the nearest point in Galway as they are to the nearest point in Armagh. I know Galway is a much bigger county but it would be very unfair to Armagh followers to take this game back in to Connacht for a third year running.
And they're also much further from the furthest point in Galway than anywhere in Armagh
It's actually soul destroying to read these mind numbingly stupid arguments for the third year in a row
They literally put the games the same time distance from both county grounds both years. Sounds like they'll do the same again
I know the fixtures should be out any minute, but, its very very frustrating waiting to see where and when games will be. People are trying to make plans and theyre leaving everyone waiting....I understand it comes down to television rights and they didnt want to commit to potential dead rubber games so then we all have to suffer and wait....
Quote from: meathie on June 03, 2025, 01:07:19 PMI know the fixtures should be out any minute, but, its very very frustrating waiting to see where and when games will be. People are trying to make plans and theyre leaving everyone waiting....I understand it comes down to television rights and they didnt want to commit to potential dead rubber games so then we all have to suffer and wait....
That shouldn't change the venue. Do all games in each group not get played at the same time anyway? So, for example, the Galway v Armagh and Derry v Dublin games are played at the same time.
I think all the games in each group are to be played at the same time, not necessarily all games though.... theyre meant to be played over Saturday and sunday
Quote from: meathie on June 03, 2025, 01:07:19 PMI know the fixtures should be out any minute, but, its very very frustrating waiting to see where and when games will be. People are trying to make plans and theyre leaving everyone waiting....I understand it comes down to television rights and they didnt want to commit to potential dead rubber games so then we all have to suffer and wait....
There's the further complication that they can't pick a venue if the county team is playing elsewhere that day, as they won't have the grounds staff. The logistics for this round is much more complicated.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 03, 2025, 12:37:35 PMQuote from: APM on June 02, 2025, 05:20:43 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 04:58:13 PMQuote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2025, 04:31:29 PMYou can't keep on playing "neutral" games much closer to one team than another
Fully agree! The logical conclusion following on from that being that Breffni is significantly closer to Armagh than Galway...
There is no question about this. The venue should be Cavan Town. Both Carrick and Sligo are twice as close to the nearest point in Galway as they are to the nearest point in Armagh. I know Galway is a much bigger county but it would be very unfair to Armagh followers to take this game back in to Connacht for a third year running.
And they're also much further from the furthest point in Galway than anywhere in Armagh
It's actually soul destroying to read these mind numbingly stupid arguments for the third year in a row
They literally put the games the same time distance from both county grounds both years. Sounds like they'll do the same again
As an armagh supporter, would be happy enough with Carrick. A good town for a lock of pints and a bit of craic before/after
What times these venues out is Fergal McGill and the boys away for lunch before they decide! Get the finger out
Quote from: WT4E on June 03, 2025, 01:34:18 PMWhat times these venues out is Fergal McGill and the boys away for lunch before they decide! Get the finger out
It was 1:30pm this time last year when they confirmed the venues for the round 3 games, looks like lunch is a little longer this time?
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2025, 01:37:42 PMQuote from: WT4E on June 03, 2025, 01:34:18 PMWhat times these venues out is Fergal McGill and the boys away for lunch before they decide! Get the finger out
It was 1:30pm this time last year when they confirmed the venues for the round 3 games, looks like lunch is a little longer this time?
The fat cats in croker find it hard to get back to work when there's plenty of money to spend - they be firing into GAA pitches on the way back to HQs
Quote from: Manning18 on June 03, 2025, 12:37:35 PMQuote from: APM on June 02, 2025, 05:20:43 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 04:58:13 PMQuote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2025, 04:31:29 PMYou can't keep on playing "neutral" games much closer to one team than another
Fully agree! The logical conclusion following on from that being that Breffni is significantly closer to Armagh than Galway...
There is no question about this. The venue should be Cavan Town. Both Carrick and Sligo are twice as close to the nearest point in Galway as they are to the nearest point in Armagh. I know Galway is a much bigger county but it would be very unfair to Armagh followers to take this game back in to Connacht for a third year running.
And they're also much further from the furthest point in Galway than anywhere in Armagh
It's actually soul destroying to read these mind numbingly stupid arguments for the third year in a row
They literally put the games the same time distance from both county grounds both years. Sounds like they'll do the same again
Doubt there'll be too many from Gort or Portumna going to this game for some reason.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2025, 01:37:42 PMQuote from: WT4E on June 03, 2025, 01:34:18 PMWhat times these venues out is Fergal McGill and the boys away for lunch before they decide! Get the finger out
It was 1:30pm this time last year when they confirmed the venues for the round 3 games, looks like lunch is a little longer this time?
Away for a few pints to stick on the expenses.
Three suggestions for the group stage:
1) Given that Dublin are guaranteed home advantage for the final three rounds(while every other county must play 3 away games) all 3 Dublin group games should be away games.
2) Provincial champs should win any tie break. There needs to be some reward for winning a provincial. Instead there appears to only be a handicap from extra games and less rest.
3) Likewise provincial finalists are equally handicapped. Therefore they should win any tie break with #3 or #4 seeds.
Armagh hosting Monaghan & Down on the Sunday.
Quote from: donelli on June 03, 2025, 03:19:45 PMArmagh hosting Monaghan & Down on the Sunday.
Any more?
Quote from: donelli on June 03, 2025, 03:19:45 PMArmagh hosting Monaghan & Down on the Sunday.
Surely that means Armagh v Galway on the Saturday then going by some of the posts above where Armagh won't host on the same day they play?
Quote from: Spiderlegs on June 03, 2025, 03:38:28 PMQuote from: donelli on June 03, 2025, 03:19:45 PMArmagh hosting Monaghan & Down on the Sunday.
Surely that means Armagh v Galway on the Saturday then going by some of the posts above where Armagh won't host on the same day they play?
Why?
Quote from: illdecide on June 03, 2025, 03:39:20 PMQuote from: Spiderlegs on June 03, 2025, 03:38:28 PMQuote from: donelli on June 03, 2025, 03:19:45 PMArmagh hosting Monaghan & Down on the Sunday.
Surely that means Armagh v Galway on the Saturday then going by some of the posts above where Armagh won't host on the same day they play?
Why?
Stewards/ground staff will all be at the Armagh match I assume.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 03, 2025, 01:40:25 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 03, 2025, 12:37:35 PMQuote from: APM on June 02, 2025, 05:20:43 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 02, 2025, 04:58:13 PMQuote from: armaghniac on June 02, 2025, 04:31:29 PMYou can't keep on playing "neutral" games much closer to one team than another
Fully agree! The logical conclusion following on from that being that Breffni is significantly closer to Armagh than Galway...
There is no question about this. The venue should be Cavan Town. Both Carrick and Sligo are twice as close to the nearest point in Galway as they are to the nearest point in Armagh. I know Galway is a much bigger county but it would be very unfair to Armagh followers to take this game back in to Connacht for a third year running.
And they're also much further from the furthest point in Galway than anywhere in Armagh
It's actually soul destroying to read these mind numbingly stupid arguments for the third year in a row
They literally put the games the same time distance from both county grounds both years. Sounds like they'll do the same again
Doubt there'll be too many from Gort or Portumna going to this game for some reason.
I remember two years ago on here some balloon was arguing that only the north east sliver of Galway county should count in deciding the venue as the rest is all hurling. I assume that was you? Was wondering when you'd show up
You should visit Connemara sometime if you're unaware of it. Beautiful part of the country
Anyway as someone said Carricks a great town. A Saturday evening game and a pissup amidst all the stags and hens after would be perfect. We can all take it handy on our respective two hour journeys home on Sunday
Edit: or Cavan. Maybe less craic but hey ho.
Mayo swinging Dr.Hyde park for the Donegal game. No that is actually an unfair advantage worth discussing
Quote from: donelli on June 03, 2025, 03:19:45 PMArmagh hosting Monaghan & Down on the Sunday.
Where is that confirmed. ?
John Fogarty of Examiner says Mayo v Donegal will be played Sunday week 4pm in Hyde Park
Derry v Dublin in Newry on Saturday 14th @ 6.30pm
just in now
aturday June 14
Group Two
Kerry v Meath, Glenisk O'Connor Park, 4.15pm
Roscommon v Cork, Laois Hire O'Moore Park, 4.15pm, GAA+
Group Four
Armagh v Galway, Kingspan Breffni, 6.30pm, GAA+
Dublin v Derry, Páirc Esler, 6.30pm, GAA+
Sunday June 15
Group One
Donegal v Mayo, King & Moffatt Dr Hyde Park, 4pm, RTE
Tyrone v Cavan, Brewster Park, 4pm
Group Three
Louth v Clare, Laois Hire O'Moore Park, 2pm
Monaghan v Down, BOX-IT Athletic Grounds, 2pm, RTE
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2025, 04:01:41 PMJohn Fogarty of Examiner says Mayo v Donegal will be played Sunday week 4pm in Hyde Park
FFS Basically a home tie for Mayo.
How far from Gaoth Dobhair or Cardonagh is Roscommon town?
Quote from: J70 on June 03, 2025, 04:05:15 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2025, 04:01:41 PMJohn Fogarty of Examiner says Mayo v Donegal will be played Sunday week 4pm in Hyde Park
FFS Basically a home tie for Mayo.
How far from Gaoth Dobhair or Cardonagh is Roscommon town?
Yeah, I'd be pissed with that if I was a Donegal supporter. With the lack of decent capacity grounds in the North west it was either going to be Breffini or the Hyde.
Quote from: J70 on June 03, 2025, 04:05:15 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2025, 04:01:41 PMJohn Fogarty of Examiner says Mayo v Donegal will be played Sunday week 4pm in Hyde Park
FFS Basically a home tie for Mayo.
How far from Gaoth Dobhair or Cardonagh is Roscommon town?
And at 4pm very late run back for families
When do tickets go on sale?
QuoteFFS Basically a home tie for Mayo.
How far from Gaoth Dobhair or Cardonagh is Roscommon town?
All ye crowd ever do is moan about everything. Are ye ever happy for a day in the year? If it's not pyrite its fish or some other shite.
Jimmy didn't want Croker, this is the end result, suck it up hi.
Meath vs Kerry in Tullamore wins the silly decision competition
Quote from: J70 on June 03, 2025, 04:05:15 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2025, 04:01:41 PMJohn Fogarty of Examiner says Mayo v Donegal will be played Sunday week 4pm in Hyde Park
FFS Basically a home tie for Mayo.
How far from Gaoth Dobhair or Cardonagh is Roscommon town?
Exactly. Roscommon is south of pretty much all of Mayo and so further from Donegal.
Everywhere is a long way from Donegal ;D
Hope ye have a great day.
Wins for Donegal and Tyrone would eliminate the Rhus.....
Quote from: In hiding on June 03, 2025, 04:16:28 PMMeath vs Kerry in Tullamore wins the silly decision competition
Limerick suit ye better?
Quote from: In hiding on June 03, 2025, 04:16:28 PMMeath vs Kerry in Tullamore wins the silly decision competition
Roscommon-Cork in Portlaoise is worse!
Quote from: highorlow on June 03, 2025, 04:16:14 PMQuoteFFS Basically a home tie for Mayo.
How far from Gaoth Dobhair or Cardonagh is Roscommon town?
All ye crowd ever do is moan about everything. Are ye ever happy for a day in the year? If it's not pyrite its fish or some other shite.
Jimmy didn't want Croker, this is the end result, suck it up hi.
😄
Quote from: highorlow on June 03, 2025, 04:16:14 PMQuoteFFS Basically a home tie for Mayo.
How far from Gaoth Dobhair or Cardonagh is Roscommon town?
All ye crowd ever do is moan about everything. Are ye ever happy for a day in the year? If it's not pyrite its fish or some other shite.
Jimmy didn't want Croker, this is the end result, suck it up hi.
Was thinking that haha
Quote from: highorlow on June 03, 2025, 04:16:14 PMQuoteFFS Basically a home tie for Mayo.
How far from Gaoth Dobhair or Cardonagh is Roscommon town?
All ye crowd ever do is moan about everything. Are ye ever happy for a day in the year? If it's not pyrite its fish or some other shite.
Jimmy didn't want Croker, this is the end result, suck it up hi.
Have you ever looked at a map before?
Quote from: greatpoint on June 03, 2025, 04:42:59 PMQuote from: highorlow on June 03, 2025, 04:16:14 PMQuoteFFS Basically a home tie for Mayo.
How far from Gaoth Dobhair or Cardonagh is Roscommon town?
All ye crowd ever do is moan about everything. Are ye ever happy for a day in the year? If it's not pyrite its fish or some other shite.
Jimmy didn't want Croker, this is the end result, suck it up hi.
Have you ever looked at a map before?
Mayo is actually a more northerly county than the whole of Cavan most of Monaghan and a good chunk of Armagh.
Quote from: J70 on June 03, 2025, 04:05:15 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2025, 04:01:41 PMJohn Fogarty of Examiner says Mayo v Donegal will be played Sunday week 4pm in Hyde Park
FFS Basically a home tie for Mayo.
How far from Gaoth Dobhair or Cardonagh is Roscommon town?
Unfortunately dont think it matters one shite.
Donegal are a far better team. Full stop.
They got hijacked by Tyrone, after playing four difficult games in Ulster, they looked wrecked.
New ball game now
I could definitely see the case for it being at 2pm.
QuoteUnfortunately dont think it matters one shite.
Donegal are a far better team. Full stop.
They got hijacked by Tyrone, after playing four difficult games in Ulster, they looked wrecked.
New ball game now
I could definitely see the case for it being at 2pm.
Agree with that, we might be still in the match with 20 minutes to go but I can't see us winning it. A draw would suit both teams...
I'm still scarred by 2019 when we went down to Castlebar as warm favourites for the third game in the Super 8s and got (fairly) bullied all over the field, with only a Murphy tour de force keeping us within touching distance.
And yeah, a draw would actually work for both, regardless of what happens in the other game.
Quote from: J70 on June 03, 2025, 05:05:59 PMI'm still scarred by 2019 when we went down to Castlebar as warm favourites for the third game in the Super 8s and got (fairly) bullied all over the field, with only a Murphy tour de force keeping us within touching distance.
I was at it and got absolutely soaked.
That was a very strong, physical and mature Mayo team.
We also got a fortuitous goal before half time as a shot for a point fell well short and Cillian O Connor did what he did for a decade+ for Mayo.
I will be shocked if Donegal do not win by at least 5-6 pts.
They are physically where Mayo were back then.
Would love a draw.
Mayo need to get a draw at least to survive , so that might very well bring out the best in them
Tyrone likely will beat Cavan , so that will mean an extra game for Donegal. This Mayo game, a playoff and a possible QF three weeks in a row will hopefully be too much for them to deal with. So, hopefully that'll be the end of them.
Dublin and Galway will have to deal with a similar schedule, so hopefully that will curtail their influence as well.
Quote from: gallsman on June 03, 2025, 04:33:05 PMQuote from: In hiding on June 03, 2025, 04:16:28 PMMeath vs Kerry in Tullamore wins the silly decision competition
Roscommon-Cork in Portlaoise is worse!
????
A quick run up the M8 for the Cork players and management.
There won't be any Cork supporters as it's only football.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 03, 2025, 06:25:54 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 03, 2025, 04:33:05 PMQuote from: In hiding on June 03, 2025, 04:16:28 PMMeath vs Kerry in Tullamore wins the silly decision competition
Roscommon-Cork in Portlaoise is worse!
????
A quick run up the M8 for the Cork players and management.
There won't be any Cork supporters as it's only football.
Cork football is played west of Cork City, often far west. There is no motorway in Bantry.
Around a 3.5 hour drive from North Doengal to Roscommon. That's some tour compared to the majority of Mayoites
Celtic Park in Derry is the only County Ground that isn't hours from Carndonagh!
Doesn't matter how far West Cork is from anywhere, they still wouldn't bring anyone!
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 03, 2025, 07:16:55 PMAround a 3.5 hour drive from North Doengal to Roscommon. That's some tour compared to the majority of Mayoites
Where is the alternative for those in north Donegal ?
Achill to Roscommon is over two hrs
Blacksod to Roscommon is near 2 1/2 hrs
Mayo isn't just ballagh and ballyhaunis ya know
Quote from: larryin89 on June 03, 2025, 09:17:04 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on June 03, 2025, 07:16:55 PMAround a 3.5 hour drive from North Doengal to Roscommon. That's some tour compared to the majority of Mayoites
Where is the alternative for those in north Donegal ?
Achill to Roscommon is over two hrs
Blacksod to Roscommon is near 2 1/2 hrs
Mayo isn't just ballagh and ballyhaunis ya know
I thought that was Roscommon?
*Runs away*
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 03, 2025, 07:16:55 PMAround a 3.5 hour drive from North Doengal to Roscommon. That's some tour compared to the majority of Mayoites
Is it not a 2.5 hour drive from north Donegal to just about anywhere?
I'm sure the Belmullet folk know all about this kind of inconvenience too.
At least they've nice weather in those places lol.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 03, 2025, 09:55:14 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on June 03, 2025, 07:16:55 PMAround a 3.5 hour drive from North Doengal to Roscommon. That's some tour compared to the majority of Mayoites
Is it not a 2.5 hour drive from north Donegal to just about anywhere?
I'm sure the Belmullet folk know all about this kind of inconvenience too.
At least they've nice weather in those places lol.
Apparently it's just over 2 hours drive from Malin Head to Bundoran. And you haven't even left county Donegal.
So anywhere for a neutral match is a long way for Donegal folk. Especially Inishowen folk
Mayo folk are delighted with the venue (as they should be). A short drive from their main population centres and a venue that they are intimately familiar with as underage and senior players.
There's an understaendable frustration for Donegal supporters. We were dragged to Castlebar to play Galway in a qualifier in 2003 and it feels like the county is always at the rough end of these decisions. Hopefully we'll get a similar result to 2003. Up Donegal.
Hyde Park for Mayo is like The Gaelic Grounds for Kerry circa 2014.
Quote from: StephenC on June 03, 2025, 10:08:42 PMMayo folk are delighted with the venue (as they should be). A short drive from their main population centres and a venue that they are intimately familiar with as underage and senior players.
There's an understaendable frustration for Donegal supporters. We were dragged to Castlebar to play Galway in a qualifier in 2003 and it feels like the county is always at the rough end of these decisions. Hopefully we'll get a similar result to 2003. Up Donegal.
Will Jim send the gophers down 4 or 5 hours ahead of the convoy to set the hotel room temperatures? This decision and a thousand just like it will more than likely determine the outcome
The time to drive from each counties main ground to the selected venue
Kerry - Killarney to O'Connor Park 2hr 51 minutes
Meath - Navan to O'Connor Park 1hr 5 minutes
Roscommon - Hyde Park to O'Moore Park 1 hr 21 minutes
Cork - Pairc Ui Chaoimh to O'Moore park 1 hr 42 minutes
Armagh - Athletic grounds to Breffni park 1hr 7 minutes
Galway, Pearse Stadium to Breffni park 2hrs
Derry Celtic Park to Páirc Esler 1hr 55 minutes
Dublin Croke Park to Pairc Esler 1hr 5 minutes
Donegal ballybofey to Hyde park 2hr 17 minutes
Mayo, HacHale Park to Hyde Park 1hr 14 minutes
Tyrone Healy Park to Brewster Park 40 minutes
Cavan, Breffni park to Brewster park 44 minutes
Louth Drogheda to O'Moore park 1hr 26 minutes
Clare, Cusack Park to O'Moore Park, 1hr 34 minutes
Monaghan Clones to Athletic Grounds 41 minutes
Down, Newry to Athletic Grounds 26 minutes
Well if that doesn't tell the rest of yiz that it's Down's year, I don't know what will!
Quote from: tiempo on June 03, 2025, 10:29:14 PMQuote from: StephenC on June 03, 2025, 10:08:42 PMMayo folk are delighted with the venue (as they should be). A short drive from their main population centres and a venue that they are intimately familiar with as underage and senior players.
There's an understaendable frustration for Donegal supporters. We were dragged to Castlebar to play Galway in a qualifier in 2003 and it feels like the county is always at the rough end of these decisions. Hopefully we'll get a similar result to 2003. Up Donegal.
Will Jim send the gophers down 4 or 5 hours ahead of the convoy to set the hotel room temperatures? This decision and a thousand just like it will more than likely determine the outcome
Donegal team staying in the Hodson Bay hotel in Athlone I hear. Spa's booked out the Saturday before.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 02, 2025, 09:04:47 PMMayo v Donegal - Cavan
Cavan v Tyrone - Enniskillen
Kerry v Meath - Tullamore
Roscommon v Cork- Portlaoise
Monaghan v Down - Armagh
Louth v Clare - Longford
Galway v Armagh - Navan
Dublin v Derry - Newry
5 from 8
What I win?
No game for Clones ... I'd have put Donegal/Mayo there before The Hyde.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2025, 10:34:08 PMThe time to drive from each counties main ground to the selected venue
Kerry - Killarney to O'Connor Park 2hr 51 minutes
Meath - Navan to O'Connor Park 1hr 5 minutes
Roscommon - Hyde Park to O'Moore Park 1 hr 21 minutes
Cork - Pairc Ui Chaoimh to O'Moore park 1 hr 42 minutes
Armagh - Athletic grounds to Breffni park 1hr 7 minutes
Galway, Pearse Stadium to Breffni park 2hrs
Derry Celtic Park to Páirc Esler 1hr 55 minutes
Dublin Croke Park to Pairc Esler 1hr 5 minutes
Donegal ballybofey to Hyde park 2hr 17 minutes
Mayo, HacHale Park to Hyde Park 1hr 14 minutes
Tyrone Healy Park to Brewster Park 40 minutes
Cavan, Breffni park to Brewster park 44 minutes
Louth Drogheda to O'Moore park 1hr 26 minutes
Clare, Cusack Park to O'Moore Park, 1hr 34 minutes
Monaghan Clones to Athletic Grounds 41 minutes
Down, Newry to Athletic Grounds 26 minutes
Thanks for putting that up.
Don't understand why the Kerry v Meath game couldn't have been in Limerick or Thurles. Have played Meath in both those venues in the past. No direct public transport to Tullamore from Killarney or Tralee either.
And no chance of either county having the balls to stream the game either I'm guessing.
Quote from: tiempo on June 03, 2025, 10:29:14 PMQuote from: StephenC on June 03, 2025, 10:08:42 PMMayo folk are delighted with the venue (as they should be). A short drive from their main population centres and a venue that they are intimately familiar with as underage and senior players.
There's an understaendable frustration for Donegal supporters. We were dragged to Castlebar to play Galway in a qualifier in 2003 and it feels like the county is always at the rough end of these decisions. Hopefully we'll get a similar result to 2003. Up Donegal.
Will Jim send the gophers down 4 or 5 hours ahead of the convoy to set the hotel room temperatures? This decision and a thousand just like it will more than likely determine the outcome
What's the story with Tyrone supporters being obsessed with McGuinness?
Silver fox, whats not to love
Honestly he's a great manager and Donegal are a class team and I'd have a soft spot for them, think they could've derailed the great Dublin team a second time only for McBreartys injury in 2018
If not Tyrone I'd be more than happy to see Donegal win, just wish Jim would tone down the rhetoric at times
Many of the venues above are fine, Monaghan v Down or Cavan v Tyrone could hardly be more conveniently situated, but Kerry are very hard done by with Tullamore.
There is a bit of a gap between Connacht and Ulster in that the smaller counties have smaller grounds and Mullingar, Longford and Carrick-on-Shannon have rather less capacity than might attend.
Our moaning aside, the unavailability of Markievicz Park is what has caused this. Donegal v Mayo would surely have been there if it was playable this summer.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on June 04, 2025, 01:09:41 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2025, 10:34:08 PMThe time to drive from each counties main ground to the selected venue
Kerry - Killarney to O'Connor Park 2hr 51 minutes
Meath - Navan to O'Connor Park 1hr 5 minutes
Roscommon - Hyde Park to O'Moore Park 1 hr 21 minutes
Cork - Pairc Ui Chaoimh to O'Moore park 1 hr 42 minutes
Armagh - Athletic grounds to Breffni park 1hr 7 minutes
Galway, Pearse Stadium to Breffni park 2hrs
Derry Celtic Park to Páirc Esler 1hr 55 minutes
Dublin Croke Park to Pairc Esler 1hr 5 minutes
Donegal ballybofey to Hyde park 2hr 17 minutes
Mayo, HacHale Park to Hyde Park 1hr 14 minutes
Tyrone Healy Park to Brewster Park 40 minutes
Cavan, Breffni park to Brewster park 44 minutes
Louth Drogheda to O'Moore park 1hr 26 minutes
Clare, Cusack Park to O'Moore Park, 1hr 34 minutes
Monaghan Clones to Athletic Grounds 41 minutes
Down, Newry to Athletic Grounds 26 minutes
Thanks for putting that up.
Don't understand why the Kerry v Meath game couldn't have been in Limerick or Thurles. Have played Meath in both those venues in the past. No direct public transport to Tullamore from Killarney or Tralee either.
And no chance of either county having the balls to stream the game either I'm guessing.
Half of the Kerry supporters travelling to the game are up in arms about it, but the other 3 seem to be OK with it!!
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on June 04, 2025, 10:26:22 AMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on June 04, 2025, 01:09:41 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2025, 10:34:08 PMThe time to drive from each counties main ground to the selected venue
Kerry - Killarney to O'Connor Park 2hr 51 minutes
Meath - Navan to O'Connor Park 1hr 5 minutes
Roscommon - Hyde Park to O'Moore Park 1 hr 21 minutes
Cork - Pairc Ui Chaoimh to O'Moore park 1 hr 42 minutes
Armagh - Athletic grounds to Breffni park 1hr 7 minutes
Galway, Pearse Stadium to Breffni park 2hrs
Derry Celtic Park to Páirc Esler 1hr 55 minutes
Dublin Croke Park to Pairc Esler 1hr 5 minutes
Donegal ballybofey to Hyde park 2hr 17 minutes
Mayo, HacHale Park to Hyde Park 1hr 14 minutes
Tyrone Healy Park to Brewster Park 40 minutes
Cavan, Breffni park to Brewster park 44 minutes
Louth Drogheda to O'Moore park 1hr 26 minutes
Clare, Cusack Park to O'Moore Park, 1hr 34 minutes
Monaghan Clones to Athletic Grounds 41 minutes
Down, Newry to Athletic Grounds 26 minutes
Thanks for putting that up.
Don't understand why the Kerry v Meath game couldn't have been in Limerick or Thurles. Have played Meath in both those venues in the past. No direct public transport to Tullamore from Killarney or Tralee either.
And no chance of either county having the balls to stream the game either I'm guessing.
Half of the Kerry supporters travelling to the game are up in arms about it, but the other 3 seem to be OK with it!!
Ha, you're on it this morning! Very good.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 03, 2025, 10:52:51 PMQuote from: tiempo on June 03, 2025, 10:29:14 PMQuote from: StephenC on June 03, 2025, 10:08:42 PMMayo folk are delighted with the venue (as they should be).
Donegal team staying in the Hodson Bay hotel in Athlone I hear. Spa's booked out the Saturday before.
Good to see them staying in our County, a few kms OUTSIDE Athlone.
The Rossies seem to get the short end of the straw with all these towns.
Rough part of Athlone, Carrick On Shannon, Shannonbridge and the great people of Ballaghderreen want to be Mayo
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 04, 2025, 12:39:26 PMThe Rossies seem to get the short end of the straw with all these towns.
Rough part of Athlone, Carrick On Shannon, Shannonbridge and the great people of Ballaghderreen want to be Mayo
Born and bred in Ballaghaderreen. Always a Roscommon man. You are correct on one point: the people are great (even some of the Mayo ones).
Lads has anyone seen when tickets go on sale?
Long post but copied from a thread by Cahir O'Kane of Irish news on Twitter. Very informative...
I get asked about this a lot and there's very little info out there. So here's a pretty long thread explaining as briefly yet comprehensively as I could how the GAA sets fixtures, the say broadcasters have and the other factors at play 🧵
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In terms of the 2025 season, RTÉ have rights to show 31 games from the men's football and hurling championships. Their package includes additional Tailteann Cup, Joe McDonagh and camogie games.
GAA+ have rights to show 40 games. Within that, there are 7 Tailteann Cup games.
RTÉ have exclusivity in Ireland for the All-Ireland semi-finals and finals in football and hurling.
BBC NI show games in conjunction with RTÉ. You'll often find games in Ulster plus All-Ireland semis and finals on both stations.
However, GAA+ do not allow BBC to show games at the same as they're broadcasting. As a pay-per-view operation, it wouldn't make much sense to allow BBC to show it for free.
BBC have no active part in the negotiations around when games are played. They can show Saturday, Sunday or both if required, so it's borderline irrelevant to them.
In advance of the provincial championships beginning and during the process of fixtures being set, both broadcasters will discuss with the GAA and settle on a schedule of games.
That first part of the schedule takes you up to the provincial finals.
RTÉ are obliged to show all four football and two hurling provincial finals live as they are on the government's list of protected free-to-air sporting events.
The divvying up of how many games the two broadcasters will show each weekend is also done before a ball is kicked or pucked. For instance, before the round robin phase was an impure thought, it was decided that GAA+ would show two games and RTÉ would also show two.
The general rule of thumb from the start of football's round robin stage and the All-Ireland semi-finals is that Saturday games go to GAA+ and Sunday games go to RTE. That isn't always strictly adhered to but in the main, that's how it works.
So take round three of the round robin. CCCC met on Tuesday at lunchtime to finalise the fixtures.
In the days and weeks leading up to that meeting, there will have been discussions between the GAA, counties and the broadcasters.
Everyone wants what suits them best. Both broadcasters would have wanted the two games in Group 4 (Armagh-Galway and Dublin-Derry) and Group 1 (Donegal-Mayo and Tyrone-Cavan).
Being fair to both broadcasters is a big consideration, but not the only one.
Armagh-Galway is in Breffni Park. That means a lot of Cavan people on duty at the game. But Cavan are also playing. So Cavan-Tyrone and Armagh-Galway would have to be on different days if possible.
The same applies to Armagh-Galway and Monaghan-Down, which was being hosted in Armagh. Then you had Donegal-Mayo going to Hyde Park, meaning Roscommon-Cork had to be the opposite day.
Tyrone-Cavan had to be at the same time as Donegal-Mayo because the final fixtures in each group have to throw in at the same time, in the interests of fairness around results and score difference.
So by proxy, once the venues became clear, the fixtures fell into place. It just became a decision as to which of Armagh/Galway/Derry/Dublin or Donegal/Mayo/Tyrone/Cavan would be played Saturday and which would be played Sunday.
Travel for supporters becomes as big a factor in that decision as what broadcasters want. You will notice that when Kerry are in Croke Park, it's almost exclusively on a Sunday where possible. Same with Donegal.
That's why a lot of Dublin's big games in recent years have been on Saturday evenings. Where their opponents have a reasonable travel time, it's often the fairest solution and tends to guarantee better crowds both days at Croke Park.
The knock-on effect of that is that a lot of Dublin's games have subsequently ended up behind a paywall, because GAA+ tend to show the Saturday games.
The process for provincial games can be slightly different.
For instance, in this year's Ulster SFC, Armagh faced Tyrone and Donegal faced Down in the semi-finals. RTÉ wanted Armagh-Tyrone as a Sunday fixture so they could show it live.
But the Ulster SFC fixtures tend to run in the order of the draw, so as to ensure fairness. Down-Donegal was the second semi-final because Donegal were in the last quarter-final. To put them Saturday would have meant only 6 days rest compared to then 8 for Tyrone and Armagh.
So despite the broadcasters' wishes, the games went in the order that had been set at the start. And that meant Tyrone-Armagh going to GAA+ simply because it was a Saturday game.
There's also the fact that because the draws and fixtures are made in advance, broadcasters will choose all of their provincial championship ties at the very beginning. Fixtures will be finalised around TV schedules.
That particularly applies to the Munster SHC, where there is generally a lot of flexibility around teams playing Saturday or Sunday. You've had that Cork-Limerick round robin classic in 2024 on what was GAAGO because they picked it, so the fixture was set for Saturday as a result
It's not always a big conspiracy and sometimes the decisions are made for the right reasons, even if those reasons aren't always obvious. It's a combination of venues, TV, other fixtures, travel times.
Hopefully this thread helps inform you a bit about how the sausage is made 🌭 Threads Clothing
Apologies, I said BBC have no active part in negotiations around fixtures, that is the case for the All-Ireland series but they'd be in conversation with Ulster Council, the GAA and other broadcasters around times and dates for the Ulster SFC. They show all of it bar GAA+ games
Not everyone online appreciates the interconnectivity of picking the stadia.
Mayo and Donegal could not play in Breffni because Cavan and Tyrone has to be at the same time, and there's no grounds staff available for Breffni.
So if Clones was picked then Monaghan v Down would have to be played the day before for the same reason.
But if Monaghan and Down was played the day before, then Páirc Esler would not be available for Dublin v Derry, for the same reason again, etc etc
In my opinion (which by the way I rate very highly) we should stop talking about venues and start talking about the actual matches.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on June 04, 2025, 10:26:22 AMQuote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on June 04, 2025, 01:09:41 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2025, 10:34:08 PMThe time to drive from each counties main ground to the selected venue
Kerry - Killarney to O'Connor Park 2hr 51 minutes
Meath - Navan to O'Connor Park 1hr 5 minutes
Roscommon - Hyde Park to O'Moore Park 1 hr 21 minutes
Cork - Pairc Ui Chaoimh to O'Moore park 1 hr 42 minutes
Armagh - Athletic grounds to Breffni park 1hr 7 minutes
Galway, Pearse Stadium to Breffni park 2hrs
Derry Celtic Park to Páirc Esler 1hr 55 minutes
Dublin Croke Park to Pairc Esler 1hr 5 minutes
Donegal ballybofey to Hyde park 2hr 17 minutes
Mayo, HacHale Park to Hyde Park 1hr 14 minutes
Tyrone Healy Park to Brewster Park 40 minutes
Cavan, Breffni park to Brewster park 44 minutes
Louth Drogheda to O'Moore park 1hr 26 minutes
Clare, Cusack Park to O'Moore Park, 1hr 34 minutes
Monaghan Clones to Athletic Grounds 41 minutes
Down, Newry to Athletic Grounds 26 minutes
Thanks for putting that up.
Don't understand why the Kerry v Meath game couldn't have been in Limerick or Thurles. Have played Meath in both those venues in the past. No direct public transport to Tullamore from Killarney or Tralee either.
And no chance of either county having the balls to stream the game either I'm guessing.
Half of the Kerry supporters travelling to the game are up in arms about it, but the other 3 seem to be OK with it!!
They could all go in a motorbike and sidecar , so the toll charges will be cheaper
Quote from: Orior on June 04, 2025, 04:11:53 PMIn my opinion (which by the way I rate very highly) we should stop talking about venues and start talking about the actual matches.
There was some doubt about the venues, doubt only exists for some of the matches.
What do our Galway friends here make of another trip to Ulster this year? In fairness, Breffni Park is the right choice given it's capacity for what promises to be a bumper crowd.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 04, 2025, 06:21:36 PMWhat do our Galway friends here make of another trip to Ulster this year? In fairness, Breffni Park is the right choice given it's capacity for what promises to be a bumper crowd.
Do you think many from Armagh will travel , given they've already qualified?
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 04, 2025, 06:24:02 PMQuote from: balladmaker on June 04, 2025, 06:21:36 PMWhat do our Galway friends here make of another trip to Ulster this year? In fairness, Breffni Park is the right choice given it's capacity for what promises to be a bumper crowd.
Do you think many from Armagh will travel , given they've already qualified?
Absolutely yes.
That Galway performance nowhere near as bad as many have made out, Derry excellent and practically scored everytime they went forward; Only 2 wides and 1 shot dropped short throughout the match.
Galway had 9 wides and 7 shots dropped short and thats not taking into account Molloys pathetic attempt that ended up going for a 45. Galway won 18 kickouts in the 2nd half whilst Derry won 7, they destroyed Derrys kickout winning 11 out of 16; D'Arcy was outstanding winning so many again, makes his non performance against Dublin harder to understand.
Galway's issue was their decision making & kicking was so poor in that 2nd half with 12 missed attempts. Conroy, Walsh, Tierney & Cooke responsible for 7 of those misses, I didn't think any of them were crazy attempts either although Tierney opting for a 2 pointer attempt when Galway had the chance to hit a 21 metre free to close the gap to a point with around 7 minutes remaining was daft after missing so many.
It was a far better performance then in every aspect apart from the shooting then against the Dubs. I thought Thompson again was outstanding, still only 20 but he's had a huge impact.
I can't say watching it that I felt Galway missed loads of good opportunities, you can shoot from bad positions and have a lot of wides. On the flip side they got two very fortunate goals. Most of the post game analysis has been about Galways poor form, ignoring the fact Derry were just very good.
Once you are chasing down a lead and get a bit of momentum it can be hard to stop under the new rules. We did the same thing to Armagh the week before but unfortunately the gap was too big when the come back started.
Quote from: Orior on June 04, 2025, 04:11:53 PMIn my opinion (which by the way I rate very highly) we should stop talking about venues and start talking about the actual matches.
I rate your opinion very highly Orior and I believe you are 100% right in that we should start talking about the actual matches. 😀😀
Galway will beat Armagh handy enough, Armagh will be playing a lot of lads that need game time and haven't got much football. They will be trying to win the game but a lot of changes plus not needing a result usually ends one way. The Tribesmen to win by 4-5pts in the end after an Armagh rally late on to bring the score line down a bit and put some respectability on the scoreboard.
The big picture is Armagh have booked a Quarter Final place while Kerry, Meath, Monaghan and Down have qualified for the KO stages but final positions to be decided in the last round.
The rest of us (11) are chasing 7 places.
Quote from: illdecide on June 05, 2025, 08:46:44 AMGalway will beat Armagh handy enough, Armagh will be playing a lot of lads that need game time and haven't got much football. They will be trying to win the game but a lot of changes plus not needing a result usually ends one way. The Tribesmen to win by 4-5pts in the end after an Armagh rally late on to bring the score line down a bit and put some respectability on the scoreboard.
On the face of it, your post makes sense.
But the lads that need game time are Niall Grimley, Oisin O'Neill, Aaron McKay, Rian O'Neill, Joe McElroy. No drop off in quality at all.
Not only do they need game time, they want a place in the team for the quarter final. And the guys who they might replace won't want to give their spot up for fear of not getting it back.
In my opinion Armagh should go at this full tilt using whoever is perceived to be the current 20 strongest players, for sure use all 5 subs but not fringe players for the sake of it. Keep the consistency.
Dublin/Derry result dependent but there is an opportunity for Armagh to knock out a top contender.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 04, 2025, 06:24:02 PMQuote from: balladmaker on June 04, 2025, 06:21:36 PMWhat do our Galway friends here make of another trip to Ulster this year? In fairness, Breffni Park is the right choice given it's capacity for what promises to be a bumper crowd.
Do you think many from Armagh will travel , given they've already qualified?
Yes, big time. Will be nice to enjoy a game without the tension usually associated with it, and hopefully a throw the shackles off performance from the team.
Quote from: illdecide on June 05, 2025, 08:46:44 AMGalway will beat Armagh handy enough, Armagh will be playing a lot of lads that need game time and haven't got much football. They will be trying to win the game but a lot of changes plus not needing a result usually ends one way. The Tribesmen to win by 4-5pts in the end after an Armagh rally late on to bring the score line down a bit and put some respectability on the scoreboard.
I think the quality of the Armagh players who will get game time will ensure a competitive fixture. I don't see Armagh being weakened in any way given the possible changes, and that says alot about the strength of the squad. If Galway win, they'll have earned it.
Quote from: Spiderlegs on June 05, 2025, 10:45:55 AMQuote from: illdecide on June 05, 2025, 08:46:44 AMGalway will beat Armagh handy enough, Armagh will be playing a lot of lads that need game time and haven't got much football. They will be trying to win the game but a lot of changes plus not needing a result usually ends one way. The Tribesmen to win by 4-5pts in the end after an Armagh rally late on to bring the score line down a bit and put some respectability on the scoreboard.
On the face of it, your post makes sense.
But the lads that need game time are Niall Grimley, Oisin O'Neill, Aaron McKay, Rian O'Neill, Joe McElroy. No drop off in quality at all.
Not only do they need game time, they want a place in the team for the quarter final. And the guys who they might replace won't want to give their spot up for fear of not getting it back.
In my opinion Armagh should go at this full tilt using whoever is perceived to be the current 20 strongest players, for sure use all 5 subs but not fringe players for the sake of it. Keep the consistency.
Dublin/Derry result dependent but there is an opportunity for Armagh to knock out a top contender.
I've thought about it a good bit and I think i'd prefer to see Galway stay in the competition and hopefully take out some of the other big guns, Donegal or Tyrone in a Prelim QF and then Kerry in the QF - my ideal scenario. You're obviously then vulnerable to rejuvenated Galway a later date
Any idea yet which games will be televised? and where?
If there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Yet they still strut their stuff as if they've won 3 in a row , it's admirable if nothing else . Media never stop fawning over them , it's quite incredible the amount of superlatives have been used to describe each and every Galway player .
It's an awful shame the dubs didn't have their shooting boots on the last day and Con missing was massive too cause Armagh would be all out next day if they needed a result . Find it hard to believe Armagh would be foolish enough to go all out to win a dead rubber now the way it's panned out
. Galway win in that one , Dubs / Derry hard to call .
Donegal and Tyrone victories in our group will see our bucks bow out for the year im afraid . Mayo won't cope with the counter attack speed of Donegal , they'll cut us right open down the centre for 3-18 id guess (4 two pointers ) . Murphy will have a tussle with mcbrien, Murphy will complain to man in black and mcbrien will then receive a red card . Its Murphy's rules out there his receding hairline brings an aura of authority like an old school inspector.
Tyrone were lethargic against Mayo , that one week turnaround is an awful hindrance , they'll easily account for Cavan .
Quote from: befair on June 05, 2025, 12:48:58 PMAny idea yet which games will be televised? and where?
Already posted up here.
https://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=33463.1065
Quote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Yet they still strut their stuff as if they've won 3 in a row , it's admirable if nothing else . Media never stop fawning over them , it's quite incredible the amount of superlatives have been used to describe each and every Galway player .
It's an awful shame the dubs didn't have their shooting boots on the last day and Con missing was massive too cause Armagh would be all out next day if they needed a result . Find it hard to believe Armagh would be foolish enough to go all out to win a dead rubber now the way it's panned out
. Galway win in that one , Dubs / Derry hard to call .
Donegal and Tyrone victories in our group will see our bucks bow out for the year im afraid . Mayo won't cope with the counter attack speed of Donegal , they'll cut us right open down the centre for 3-18 id guess (4 two pointers ) . Murphy will have a tussle with mcbrien, Murphy will complain to man in black and mcbrien will then receive a red card . Its Murphy's rules out there his receding hairline brings an aura of authority like an old school inspector.
Tyrone were lethargic against Mayo , that one week turnaround is an awful hindrance , they'll easily account for Cavan .
How Murphy hasn't seen a red card this year (3 closed fist rib ticklers resulting in a couple of yellows) is beyond me (one the game's greats imo)?
Quote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Jaysus Larryin89, you've entered "two bald men fighting over a comb" territory there.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 05, 2025, 01:41:00 PMQuote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Yet they still strut their stuff as if they've won 3 in a row , it's admirable if nothing else . Media never stop fawning over them , it's quite incredible the amount of superlatives have been used to describe each and every Galway player .
It's an awful shame the dubs didn't have their shooting boots on the last day and Con missing was massive too cause Armagh would be all out next day if they needed a result . Find it hard to believe Armagh would be foolish enough to go all out to win a dead rubber now the way it's panned out
. Galway win in that one , Dubs / Derry hard to call .
Donegal and Tyrone victories in our group will see our bucks bow out for the year im afraid . Mayo won't cope with the counter attack speed of Donegal , they'll cut us right open down the centre for 3-18 id guess (4 two pointers ) . Murphy will have a tussle with mcbrien, Murphy will complain to man in black and mcbrien will then receive a red card . Its Murphy's rules out there his receding hairline brings an aura of authority like an old school inspector.
Tyrone were lethargic against Mayo , that one week turnaround is an awful hindrance , they'll easily account for Cavan .
How Murphy hasn't seen a red card this year (3 closed fist rib ticklers resulting in a couple of yellows) is beyond me (one the game's greats imo)?
Did Murphy get booked in Ulster final?
He charged after McMullen like a bull , and luckily he seemed to entangle himself and came away unscathed . He took down another Armagh player (can't remember who) with a similar challenge. Both deserved a yellow.
Must watch again , but nearly sure he tripped McGrane late on with the hand. Another yellow/black.
He swung the punch at the Derry lad in Ulster too. No yellow there afaic.
Is there any footage of his punch v Cavan?
Quote from: balladmaker on June 04, 2025, 06:21:36 PMWhat do our Galway friends here make of another trip to Ulster this year? In fairness, Breffni Park is the right choice given it's capacity for what promises to be a bumper crowd.
No complaints with going to Cavan but the throw in time is a joke and will put a good few off traveling. Especially those with kids. From the Galway side anyway. You're talking about many getting home at 10. Even later for anyone from west Galway.
Quote from: StephenC on June 03, 2025, 10:08:42 PMMayo folk are delighted with the venue (as they should be). A short drive from their main population centres and a venue that they are intimately familiar with as underage and senior players.
There's an understaendable frustration for Donegal supporters. We were dragged to Castlebar to play Galway in a qualifier in 2003 and it feels like the county is always at the rough end of these decisions. Hopefully we'll get a similar result to 2003. Up Donegal.
Ye won that game in 2003 so it did ye no harm. Ye played Galway twice in more recent years in Markiewicz Park which is much nearer, winning narrowly and losing heavily.
Quote from: illdecide on June 05, 2025, 08:46:44 AMGalway will beat Armagh handy enough, Armagh will be playing a lot of lads that need game time and haven't got much football. They will be trying to win the game but a lot of changes plus not needing a result usually ends one way. The Tribesmen to win by 4-5pts in the end after an Armagh rally late on to bring the score line down a bit and put some respectability on the scoreboard.
How likely are Armagh to rest first choice players if they'll be idle for 4 weeks in total before the 1/4 finals?
Padraig Joyce's big dilemma is what team to pick. Has to change it significantly from 5 - 9 at least. Unlikely he'll change goalie at this stage but it maybe in his mind.
Quote from: mouview on June 05, 2025, 02:09:58 PMQuote from: illdecide on June 05, 2025, 08:46:44 AMGalway will beat Armagh handy enough, Armagh will be playing a lot of lads that need game time and haven't got much football. They will be trying to win the game but a lot of changes plus not needing a result usually ends one way. The Tribesmen to win by 4-5pts in the end after an Armagh rally late on to bring the score line down a bit and put some respectability on the scoreboard.
How likely are Armagh to rest first choice players if they'll be idle for 4 weeks in total before the 1/4 finals?
Padraig Joyce's big dilemma is what team to pick. Has to change it significantly from 5 - 9 at least. Unlikely he'll change goalie at this stage but it maybe in his mind.
I'd be resting Grugan, Murnin and Paddy Burns for sure and wrapping them in cotton wool. Turbo apparently carrying a knock so maybe a break would do him good.
Rian, Oisin, Grimley, Forker, McKay all need game time and 4 of those didn't feature against Dublin. Mackin and McCabe could come in and do a job as well. Would like to see McCormack and Callum O'Neill get playing time, both were very good in the league/early Ulster rounds but haven't seen much action lately.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 05, 2025, 02:33:52 PMQuote from: mouview on June 05, 2025, 02:09:58 PMQuote from: illdecide on June 05, 2025, 08:46:44 AMGalway will beat Armagh handy enough, Armagh will be playing a lot of lads that need game time and haven't got much football. They will be trying to win the game but a lot of changes plus not needing a result usually ends one way. The Tribesmen to win by 4-5pts in the end after an Armagh rally late on to bring the score line down a bit and put some respectability on the scoreboard.
How likely are Armagh to rest first choice players if they'll be idle for 4 weeks in total before the 1/4 finals?
Padraig Joyce's big dilemma is what team to pick. Has to change it significantly from 5 - 9 at least. Unlikely he'll change goalie at this stage but it maybe in his mind.
I'd be resting Grugan, Murnin and Paddy Burns for sure and wrapping them in cotton wool. Turbo apparently carrying a knock so maybe a break would do him good.
Rian, Oisin, Grimley, Forker, McKay all need game time and 4 of those didn't feature against Dublin. Mackin and McCabe could come in and do a job as well. Would like to see McCormack and Callum O'Neill get playing time, both were very good in the league/early Ulster rounds but haven't seen much action lately.
Ate Oisin and McKay even fit enough to feature?
Quote from: David McKeown on June 05, 2025, 02:42:25 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 05, 2025, 02:33:52 PMQuote from: mouview on June 05, 2025, 02:09:58 PMQuote from: illdecide on June 05, 2025, 08:46:44 AMGalway will beat Armagh handy enough, Armagh will be playing a lot of lads that need game time and haven't got much football. They will be trying to win the game but a lot of changes plus not needing a result usually ends one way. The Tribesmen to win by 4-5pts in the end after an Armagh rally late on to bring the score line down a bit and put some respectability on the scoreboard.
How likely are Armagh to rest first choice players if they'll be idle for 4 weeks in total before the 1/4 finals?
Padraig Joyce's big dilemma is what team to pick. Has to change it significantly from 5 - 9 at least. Unlikely he'll change goalie at this stage but it maybe in his mind.
I'd be resting Grugan, Murnin and Paddy Burns for sure and wrapping them in cotton wool. Turbo apparently carrying a knock so maybe a break would do him good.
Rian, Oisin, Grimley, Forker, McKay all need game time and 4 of those didn't feature against Dublin. Mackin and McCabe could come in and do a job as well. Would like to see McCormack and Callum O'Neill get playing time, both were very good in the league/early Ulster rounds but haven't seen much action lately.
Ate Oisin and McKay even fit enough to feature?
seen an Irish news article saying those 2 and Forker should be available.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 05, 2025, 02:00:25 PMQuote from: JoG2 on June 05, 2025, 01:41:00 PMQuote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Yet they still strut their stuff as if they've won 3 in a row , it's admirable if nothing else . Media never stop fawning over them , it's quite incredible the amount of superlatives have been used to describe each and every Galway player .
It's an awful shame the dubs didn't have their shooting boots on the last day and Con missing was massive too cause Armagh would be all out next day if they needed a result . Find it hard to believe Armagh would be foolish enough to go all out to win a dead rubber now the way it's panned out
. Galway win in that one , Dubs / Derry hard to call .
Donegal and Tyrone victories in our group will see our bucks bow out for the year im afraid . Mayo won't cope with the counter attack speed of Donegal , they'll cut us right open down the centre for 3-18 id guess (4 two pointers ) . Murphy will have a tussle with mcbrien, Murphy will complain to man in black and mcbrien will then receive a red card . Its Murphy's rules out there his receding hairline brings an aura of authority like an old school inspector.
Tyrone were lethargic against Mayo , that one week turnaround is an awful hindrance , they'll easily account for Cavan .
How Murphy hasn't seen a red card this year (3 closed fist rib ticklers resulting in a couple of yellows) is beyond me (one the game's greats imo)?
Did Murphy get booked in Ulster final?
He charged after McMullen like a bull , and luckily he seemed to entangle himself and came away unscathed . He took down another Armagh player (can't remember who) with a similar challenge. Both deserved a yellow.
Must watch again , but nearly sure he tripped McGrane late on with the hand. Another yellow/black.
He swung the punch at the Derry lad in Ulster too. No yellow there afaic.
Is there any footage of his punch v Cavan?
think they got a free for the McGrane one as handled don the ground
Quote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Yet they still strut their stuff as if they've won 3 in a row , it's admirable if nothing else . Media never stop fawning over them , it's quite incredible the amount of superlatives have been used to describe each and every Galway player .
It's an awful shame the dubs didn't have their shooting boots on the last day and Con missing was massive too cause Armagh would be all out next day if they needed a result . Find it hard to believe Armagh would be foolish enough to go all out to win a dead rubber now the way it's panned out
. Galway win in that one , Dubs / Derry hard to call .
Donegal and Tyrone victories in our group will see our bucks bow out for the year im afraid . Mayo won't cope with the counter attack speed of Donegal , they'll cut us right open down the centre for 3-18 id guess (4 two pointers ) . Murphy will have a tussle with mcbrien, Murphy will complain to man in black and mcbrien will then receive a red card . Its Murphy's rules out there his receding hairline brings an aura of authority like an old school inspector.
Tyrone were lethargic against Mayo , that one week turnaround is an awful hindrance , they'll easily account for Cavan .
:) And if he fancies a wee stretch or a breather, the referee will stop the game.
Quote from: weareros on June 05, 2025, 01:50:21 PMQuote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Jaysus Larryin89, you've entered "two bald men fighting over a comb" territory there.
No better man than Larryin to bring them down to earth.
Where are all the Rhubarb posters gone? (Farrandeelin RIP)
They were great for an oul 100 pager all on their own.
There's no love lost between Armagh & Galway. The AI champs won't lie down. On paper I'd call the two teams even. Therefore Galway needing to win should be the difference.
Does anyone understand the televised game logic? It could be the last game for Dublin/Derry and Cavan/Louth. I would have thought that merited coverage. The Leinster champs aren't getting much respect from RTE or GAA Go.
Correct me if I'm wrong but last year weren't all 8 games televised?
Quote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Yet they still strut their stuff as if they've won 3 in a row , it's admirable if nothing else . Media never stop fawning over them , it's quite incredible the amount of superlatives have been used to describe each and every Galway player .
It's an awful shame the dubs didn't have their shooting boots on the last day and Con missing was massive too cause Armagh would be all out next day if they needed a result . Find it hard to believe Armagh would be foolish enough to go all out to win a dead rubber now the way it's panned out
. Galway win in that one , Dubs / Derry hard to call .
Donegal and Tyrone victories in our group will see our bucks bow out for the year im afraid . Mayo won't cope with the counter attack speed of Donegal , they'll cut us right open down the centre for 3-18 id guess (4 two pointers ) . Murphy will have a tussle with mcbrien, Murphy will complain to man in black and mcbrien will then receive a red card . Its Murphy's rules out there his receding hairline brings an aura of authority like an old school inspector.
Tyrone were lethargic against Mayo , that one week turnaround is an awful hindrance , they'll easily account for Cavan .
Galway are one lucky devil's of a team. Poxed how they avoided defeat at the weekend which would have knocked them out of the championship and now face Armagh who are already into the last 8. Galway also lucky to win the last two Connacht finals against your lot and All-Ireland series games against Donegal,Dublin last year. Given their luck one can't rule them out in the All-Ireland series, as they say better to born lucky than rich.
As for Mayo, you comfortably beat Tyrone in Omagh can be no excuses not to get at least a draw against Donegal in your home from home venue in Hyde Park.
Quote from: mouview on June 05, 2025, 02:09:58 PMQuote from: illdecide on June 05, 2025, 08:46:44 AMGalway will beat Armagh handy enough, Armagh will be playing a lot of lads that need game time and haven't got much football. They will be trying to win the game but a lot of changes plus not needing a result usually ends one way. The Tribesmen to win by 4-5pts in the end after an Armagh rally late on to bring the score line down a bit and put some respectability on the scoreboard.
How likely are Armagh to rest first choice players if they'll be idle for 4 weeks in total before the 1/4 finals?
Padraig Joyce's big dilemma is what team to pick. Has to change it significantly from 5 - 9 at least. Unlikely he'll change goalie at this stage but it maybe in his mind.
I like Daly at 6 but don't think he's fit enough too start, like the idea of him and Comer coming on together. Think he found Comer with 2 long balls against Derry.
McHugh & Silke not hit last years levels of form, would have assumed we'd see more of O'Flaherty since he had a good league but we've not. Hernon who's always impressed was poor against the Dubs and Molloy certainly hasn't done well in his few cameo's. Just can't see any changes in 5-9, D'Arcy will certainly start instead of O'Neill who apart from a decent score had a really poor start to the game and was deservedly hooked. Would like to have seen Sweeney get more time at wing back in recent years but Joyce just doesn't see him there although thats what I think is his best position.
Just can't see him dropping Conroy or McDaid either, what to do with Walsh is another issue. He just doesn't look fit, a case could be made for him coming off the bench with 20/25 mins too go with Sean Kelly playing further forward.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 05, 2025, 04:00:36 PMQuote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Yet they still strut their stuff as if they've won 3 in a row , it's admirable if nothing else . Media never stop fawning over them , it's quite incredible the amount of superlatives have been used to describe each and every Galway player .
It's an awful shame the dubs didn't have their shooting boots on the last day and Con missing was massive too cause Armagh would be all out next day if they needed a result . Find it hard to believe Armagh would be foolish enough to go all out to win a dead rubber now the way it's panned out
. Galway win in that one , Dubs / Derry hard to call .
Donegal and Tyrone victories in our group will see our bucks bow out for the year im afraid . Mayo won't cope with the counter attack speed of Donegal , they'll cut us right open down the centre for 3-18 id guess (4 two pointers ) . Murphy will have a tussle with mcbrien, Murphy will complain to man in black and mcbrien will then receive a red card . Its Murphy's rules out there his receding hairline brings an aura of authority like an old school inspector.
Tyrone were lethargic against Mayo , that one week turnaround is an awful hindrance , they'll easily account for Cavan .
Galway are one lucky devil's of a team. Poxed how they avoided defeat at the weekend which would have knocked them out of the championship and now face Armagh who are already into the last 8. Galway also lucky to win the last two Connacht finals against your lot and All-Ireland series games against Donegal,Dublin last year. Given their luck one can't rule them out in the All-Ireland series, as they say better to born lucky than rich.
As for Mayo, you comfortably beat Tyrone in Omagh can be no excuses not to get at least a draw against Donegal in your home from home venue in Hyde Park.
Aye really lucky, 3 years in a row their reward for winning Connacht was to be drawn in the toughest group. Lost Finnerty 10 minutes into last years final with Walsh & Comer already a shadow of themselves due too injury and their captain Sean Kelly nowhere near fit enough either, so exceptionally lucky!!
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 05, 2025, 04:08:53 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on June 05, 2025, 04:00:36 PMQuote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Yet they still strut their stuff as if they've won 3 in a row , it's admirable if nothing else . Media never stop fawning over them , it's quite incredible the amount of superlatives have been used to describe each and every Galway player .
It's an awful shame the dubs didn't have their shooting boots on the last day and Con missing was massive too cause Armagh would be all out next day if they needed a result . Find it hard to believe Armagh would be foolish enough to go all out to win a dead rubber now the way it's panned out
. Galway win in that one , Dubs / Derry hard to call .
Donegal and Tyrone victories in our group will see our bucks bow out for the year im afraid . Mayo won't cope with the counter attack speed of Donegal , they'll cut us right open down the centre for 3-18 id guess (4 two pointers ) . Murphy will have a tussle with mcbrien, Murphy will complain to man in black and mcbrien will then receive a red card . Its Murphy's rules out there his receding hairline brings an aura of authority like an old school inspector.
Tyrone were lethargic against Mayo , that one week turnaround is an awful hindrance , they'll easily account for Cavan .
Galway are one lucky devil's of a team. Poxed how they avoided defeat at the weekend which would have knocked them out of the championship and now face Armagh who are already into the last 8. Galway also lucky to win the last two Connacht finals against your lot and All-Ireland series games against Donegal,Dublin last year. Given their luck one can't rule them out in the All-Ireland series, as they say better to born lucky than rich.
As for Mayo, you comfortably beat Tyrone in Omagh can be no excuses not to get at least a draw against Donegal in your home from home venue in Hyde Park.
Aye really lucky, 3 years in a row their reward for winning Connacht was to be drawn in the toughest group. Lost Finnerty 10 minutes into last years final with Walsh & Comer already a shadow of themselves due too injury and their captain Sean Kelly nowhere near fit enough either, so exceptionally lucky!!
Nothing tough about any Division 1 team getting a result against Westmeath to reach the knockout stages. And Galway were lucky in at least one of those two games against Westmeath if I recall right.
Injuries happen the problem for Galway was they used up all of their get out of jail cards before last years All-Ireland final.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 05, 2025, 04:34:12 PMQuote from: Maroon Manc on June 05, 2025, 04:08:53 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on June 05, 2025, 04:00:36 PMQuote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Yet they still strut their stuff as if they've won 3 in a row , it's admirable if nothing else . Media never stop fawning over them , it's quite incredible the amount of superlatives have been used to describe each and every Galway player .
It's an awful shame the dubs didn't have their shooting boots on the last day and Con missing was massive too cause Armagh would be all out next day if they needed a result . Find it hard to believe Armagh would be foolish enough to go all out to win a dead rubber now the way it's panned out
. Galway win in that one , Dubs / Derry hard to call .
Donegal and Tyrone victories in our group will see our bucks bow out for the year im afraid . Mayo won't cope with the counter attack speed of Donegal , they'll cut us right open down the centre for 3-18 id guess (4 two pointers ) . Murphy will have a tussle with mcbrien, Murphy will complain to man in black and mcbrien will then receive a red card . Its Murphy's rules out there his receding hairline brings an aura of authority like an old school inspector.
Tyrone were lethargic against Mayo , that one week turnaround is an awful hindrance , they'll easily account for Cavan .
Galway are one lucky devil's of a team. Poxed how they avoided defeat at the weekend which would have knocked them out of the championship and now face Armagh who are already into the last 8. Galway also lucky to win the last two Connacht finals against your lot and All-Ireland series games against Donegal,Dublin last year. Given their luck one can't rule them out in the All-Ireland series, as they say better to born lucky than rich.
As for Mayo, you comfortably beat Tyrone in Omagh can be no excuses not to get at least a draw against Donegal in your home from home venue in Hyde Park.
Aye really lucky, 3 years in a row their reward for winning Connacht was to be drawn in the toughest group. Lost Finnerty 10 minutes into last years final with Walsh & Comer already a shadow of themselves due too injury and their captain Sean Kelly nowhere near fit enough either, so exceptionally lucky!!
Nothing tough about any Division 1 team getting a result against Westmeath to reach the knockout stages. And Galway were lucky in at least one of those two games against Westmeath if I recall right.
Injuries happen the problem for Galway was they used up all of their get out of jail cards before last years All-Ireland final.
Galway beat Westmeath easily in 2023. Last year was tight.
Armagh beat Westmeath with a last minute goal in 2023. Tyrone drew with them.
Quote from: shark on June 05, 2025, 05:17:28 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on June 05, 2025, 04:34:12 PMQuote from: Maroon Manc on June 05, 2025, 04:08:53 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on June 05, 2025, 04:00:36 PMQuote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Yet they still strut their stuff as if they've won 3 in a row , it's admirable if nothing else . Media never stop fawning over them , it's quite incredible the amount of superlatives have been used to describe each and every Galway player .
It's an awful shame the dubs didn't have their shooting boots on the last day and Con missing was massive too cause Armagh would be all out next day if they needed a result . Find it hard to believe Armagh would be foolish enough to go all out to win a dead rubber now the way it's panned out
. Galway win in that one , Dubs / Derry hard to call .
Donegal and Tyrone victories in our group will see our bucks bow out for the year im afraid . Mayo won't cope with the counter attack speed of Donegal , they'll cut us right open down the centre for 3-18 id guess (4 two pointers ) . Murphy will have a tussle with mcbrien, Murphy will complain to man in black and mcbrien will then receive a red card . Its Murphy's rules out there his receding hairline brings an aura of authority like an old school inspector.
Tyrone were lethargic against Mayo , that one week turnaround is an awful hindrance , they'll easily account for Cavan .
Galway are one lucky devil's of a team. Poxed how they avoided defeat at the weekend which would have knocked them out of the championship and now face Armagh who are already into the last 8. Galway also lucky to win the last two Connacht finals against your lot and All-Ireland series games against Donegal,Dublin last year. Given their luck one can't rule them out in the All-Ireland series, as they say better to born lucky than rich.
As for Mayo, you comfortably beat Tyrone in Omagh can be no excuses not to get at least a draw against Donegal in your home from home venue in Hyde Park.
Aye really lucky, 3 years in a row their reward for winning Connacht was to be drawn in the toughest group. Lost Finnerty 10 minutes into last years final with Walsh & Comer already a shadow of themselves due too injury and their captain Sean Kelly nowhere near fit enough either, so exceptionally lucky!!
Nothing tough about any Division 1 team getting a result against Westmeath to reach the knockout stages. And Galway were lucky in at least one of those two games against Westmeath if I recall right.
Injuries happen the problem for Galway was they used up all of their get out of jail cards before last years All-Ireland final.
Galway beat Westmeath easily in 2023. Last year was tight.
Armagh beat Westmeath with a last minute goal in 2023. Tyrone drew with them.
Think there was a bit more time left than that nearer 10 including injury time. If memory serves Westmeath equalised after the goal before Armagh grabbed the last two points. Harsh on Westmeath
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 05, 2025, 04:08:53 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on June 05, 2025, 04:00:36 PMQuote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Yet they still strut their stuff as if they've won 3 in a row , it's admirable if nothing else . Media never stop fawning over them , it's quite incredible the amount of superlatives have been used to describe each and every Galway player .
It's an awful shame the dubs didn't have their shooting boots on the last day and Con missing was massive too cause Armagh would be all out next day if they needed a result . Find it hard to believe Armagh would be foolish enough to go all out to win a dead rubber now the way it's panned out
. Galway win in that one , Dubs / Derry hard to call .
Donegal and Tyrone victories in our group will see our bucks bow out for the year im afraid . Mayo won't cope with the counter attack speed of Donegal , they'll cut us right open down the centre for 3-18 id guess (4 two pointers ) . Murphy will have a tussle with mcbrien, Murphy will complain to man in black and mcbrien will then receive a red card . Its Murphy's rules out there his receding hairline brings an aura of authority like an old school inspector.
Tyrone were lethargic against Mayo , that one week turnaround is an awful hindrance , they'll easily account for Cavan .
Galway are one lucky devil's of a team. Poxed how they avoided defeat at the weekend which would have knocked them out of the championship and now face Armagh who are already into the last 8. Galway also lucky to win the last two Connacht finals against your lot and All-Ireland series games against Donegal,Dublin last year. Given their luck one can't rule them out in the All-Ireland series, as they say better to born lucky than rich.
As for Mayo, you comfortably beat Tyrone in Omagh can be no excuses not to get at least a draw against Donegal in your home from home venue in Hyde Park.
Aye really lucky, 3 years in a row their reward for winning Connacht was to be drawn in the toughest group. Lost Finnerty 10 minutes into last years final with Walsh & Comer already a shadow of themselves due too injury and their captain Sean Kelly nowhere near fit enough either, so exceptionally lucky!!
If anything I'd say we've been far more unlucky than lucky. Went into last year's final with 4 big players half fit.
I mean if it's considered lucky to win tight games then does that mean they were unlucky to lose last year's AI final and the Dublin game this year? Or to draw the Derry game last weekend. All games that went down to the final kick of the game.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 05, 2025, 04:00:36 PMQuote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Yet they still strut their stuff as if they've won 3 in a row , it's admirable if nothing else . Media never stop fawning over them , it's quite incredible the amount of superlatives have been used to describe each and every Galway player .
It's an awful shame the dubs didn't have their shooting boots on the last day and Con missing was massive too cause Armagh would be all out next day if they needed a result . Find it hard to believe Armagh would be foolish enough to go all out to win a dead rubber now the way it's panned out
. Galway win in that one , Dubs / Derry hard to call .
Donegal and Tyrone victories in our group will see our bucks bow out for the year im afraid . Mayo won't cope with the counter attack speed of Donegal , they'll cut us right open down the centre for 3-18 id guess (4 two pointers ) . Murphy will have a tussle with mcbrien, Murphy will complain to man in black and mcbrien will then receive a red card . Its Murphy's rules out there his receding hairline brings an aura of authority like an old school inspector.
Tyrone were lethargic against Mayo , that one week turnaround is an awful hindrance , they'll easily account for Cavan .
Galway are one lucky devil's of a team. Poxed how they avoided defeat at the weekend which would have knocked them out of the championship and now face Armagh who are already into the last 8. Galway also lucky to win the last two Connacht finals against your lot and All-Ireland series games against Donegal,Dublin last year. Given their luck one can't rule them out in the All-Ireland series, as they say better to born lucky than rich.
As for Mayo, you comfortably beat Tyrone in Omagh can be no excuses not to get at least a draw against Donegal in your home from home venue in Hyde Park.
Galway never trailed once they took the lead in this year's Connacht final. Not our fault Mayo couldn't take advantage. Or our fault Donegal couldn't score in the closing quarter with the match in the balance last year. Galway beat Dublin last year thanks to a superlative defensive effort in the second half, despite having so many players practically on one leg. That's the kind of luck I like.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 05, 2025, 04:08:53 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on June 05, 2025, 04:00:36 PMQuote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Yet they still strut their stuff as if they've won 3 in a row , it's admirable if nothing else . Media never stop fawning over them , it's quite incredible the amount of superlatives have been used to describe each and every Galway player .
It's an awful shame the dubs didn't have their shooting boots on the last day and Con missing was massive too cause Armagh would be all out next day if they needed a result . Find it hard to believe Armagh would be foolish enough to go all out to win a dead rubber now the way it's panned out
. Galway win in that one , Dubs / Derry hard to call .
Donegal and Tyrone victories in our group will see our bucks bow out for the year im afraid . Mayo won't cope with the counter attack speed of Donegal , they'll cut us right open down the centre for 3-18 id guess (4 two pointers ) . Murphy will have a tussle with mcbrien, Murphy will complain to man in black and mcbrien will then receive a red card . Its Murphy's rules out there his receding hairline brings an aura of authority like an old school inspector.
Tyrone were lethargic against Mayo , that one week turnaround is an awful hindrance , they'll easily account for Cavan .
Galway are one lucky devil's of a team. Poxed how they avoided defeat at the weekend which would have knocked them out of the championship and now face Armagh who are already into the last 8. Galway also lucky to win the last two Connacht finals against your lot and All-Ireland series games against Donegal,Dublin last year. Given their luck one can't rule them out in the All-Ireland series, as they say better to born lucky than rich.
As for Mayo, you comfortably beat Tyrone in Omagh can be no excuses not to get at least a draw against Donegal in your home from home venue in Hyde Park.
Aye really lucky, 3 years in a row their reward for winning Connacht was to be drawn in the toughest group. Lost Finnerty 10 minutes into last years final with Walsh & Comer already a shadow of themselves due too injury and their captain Sean Kelly nowhere near fit enough either, so exceptionally lucky!!
TBH
your comments are generally thoughtful and articulate,
IMO last years all Ireland final was a massive screw up by Galway management, starting three players not fully fit and bringing on another who was in similar shape.
Jack Flynn out for the rest of the season. With him and Ronan Jones both out there's a big hole to fill in midfield for us. O'Neill, McBride and Gray need to step up now and take the mantle. Menton hasn't the legs to go for 70 minutes anymore.
Kerry likely to rest their top players I'd say.
Quote from: thejuice on June 09, 2025, 01:39:28 PMJack Flynn out for the rest of the season. With him and Ronan Jones both out there's a big hole to fill in midfield for us. O'Neill, McBride and Gray need to step up now and take the mantle. Menton hasn't the legs to go for 70 minutes anymore.
Kerry likely to rest their top players I'd say.
Unlikely with top place in the group on the line. They have their own injuries with midfieders Barry Dan O'Sullivan,Diarmuid O'Connor expected to miss the game and Paul Geaney,Paudie Clifford doubtful after going off injured against Cork.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 05, 2025, 04:00:36 PMQuote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Yet they still strut their stuff as if they've won 3 in a row , it's admirable if nothing else . Media never stop fawning over them , it's quite incredible the amount of superlatives have been used to describe each and every Galway player .
It's an awful shame the dubs didn't have their shooting boots on the last day and Con missing was massive too cause Armagh would be all out next day if they needed a result . Find it hard to believe Armagh would be foolish enough to go all out to win a dead rubber now the way it's panned out
. Galway win in that one , Dubs / Derry hard to call .
Donegal and Tyrone victories in our group will see our bucks bow out for the year im afraid . Mayo won't cope with the counter attack speed of Donegal , they'll cut us right open down the centre for 3-18 id guess (4 two pointers ) . Murphy will have a tussle with mcbrien, Murphy will complain to man in black and mcbrien will then receive a red card . Its Murphy's rules out there his receding hairline brings an aura of authority like an old school inspector.
Tyrone were lethargic against Mayo , that one week turnaround is an awful hindrance , they'll easily account for Cavan .
Galway are one lucky devil's of a team. Poxed how they avoided defeat at the weekend which would have knocked them out of the championship and now face Armagh who are already into the last 8. Galway also lucky to win the last two Connacht finals against your lot and All-Ireland series games against Donegal,Dublin last year. Given their luck one can't rule them out in the All-Ireland series, as they say better to born lucky than rich.
As for Mayo, you comfortably beat Tyrone in Omagh can be no excuses not to get at least a draw against Donegal in your home from home venue in Hyde Park.
Galway have got the toughest possible draw on their last 7 consecutive occasions. In the latest draw this year as top seeds they got the toughest possible team out of every pot. Calculate the chances of that if you're able..
In 2024 and 2023, again as top seeds, they got the group of death both times. In 2022 as Connacht winners they got Armagh from a pot of 3 (Cork and Clare the other options).
In last years QF they got Dublin who were odds on for the all Ireland at that point.
So yeah perhaps have a think about it before applying too much stock in a lucky goal in one solitary game. Id imagine the 4-14 the last day would've been enough to get them through if it was versus Cavan, Down or Cork
Quote from: weareros on June 05, 2025, 01:50:21 PMQuote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Jaysus Larryin89, you've entered "two bald men fighting over a comb" territory there.
Absolutely nothing surer than Larryin is a balding 36 year old anyway. The belly poking far out over the blue bootcut jeans, typing furiously into the Motorola at lunch before he tucks into the packed ham sandwich. You have to love the confidence of an old foundation English student in tackling an online forum with such vigour.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 09, 2025, 09:31:21 PMQuote from: weareros on June 05, 2025, 01:50:21 PMQuote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Jaysus Larryin89, you've entered "two bald men fighting over a comb" territory there.
Absolutely nothing surer than Larryin is a balding 36 year old anyway. The belly poking far out over the blue bootcut jeans, typing furiously into the Motorola at lunch before he tucks into the packed ham sandwich. You have to love the confidence of an old foundation English student in tackling an online forum with such vigour.
Trust you to go too far anyway.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 09, 2025, 09:25:51 PMGalway have got the toughest possible draw on their last 7 consecutive occasions. In the latest draw this year as top seeds they got the toughest possible team out of every pot. Calculate the chances of that if you're able..
In 2024 and 2023, again as top seeds, they got the group of death both times. In 2022 as Connacht winners they got Armagh from a pot of 3 (Cork and Clare the other options).
In last years QF they got Dublin who were odds on for the all Ireland at that point.
So yeah perhaps have a think about it before applying too much stock in a lucky goal in one solitary game. Id imagine the 4-14 the last day would've been enough to get them through if it was versus Cavan, Down or Cork
Enough of the hyperbole.
In 2023,2024 Galway only needed to get a positive result against Westmeath to reach the knock out stages which is what any established Division one team should be more than capable of doing. This years "group of Death" Armagh topped with a game to spare and should Dublin beat Derry this weekend then that lucky draw for Galway in Celtic Park will be enough to reach the knock out stage.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 09, 2025, 11:22:59 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 09, 2025, 09:25:51 PMGalway have got the toughest possible draw on their last 7 consecutive occasions. In the latest draw this year as top seeds they got the toughest possible team out of every pot. Calculate the chances of that if you're able..
In 2024 and 2023, again as top seeds, they got the group of death both times. In 2022 as Connacht winners they got Armagh from a pot of 3 (Cork and Clare the other options).
In last years QF they got Dublin who were odds on for the all Ireland at that point.
So yeah perhaps have a think about it before applying too much stock in a lucky goal in one solitary game. Id imagine the 4-14 the last day would've been enough to get them through if it was versus Cavan, Down or Cork
Enough of the hyperbole.
In 2023,2024 Galway only needed to get a positive result against Westmeath to reach the knock out stages which is what any established Division one team should be more than capable of doing. This years "group of Death" Armagh topped with a game to spare and should Dublin beat Derry this weekend then that lucky draw for Galway in Celtic Park will be enough to reach the knock out stage.
Galway went in all years as top seeds and thus as top seeds might expect absolute walkovers of groups like Kerry got every year. Instead they had to scrap against two good teams both those years and three this year. Galway were injury ridden last year and the last thing they needed was a prelim QF and then the tough QF against Dublin. They got that because Armagh pipped them on score difference to top spot. Kerry in contrast steamrolled an easy group as top seed and they'll do so again this year
The idea that a flukey goal in a game is somehow equatable to the insanely unlikely event of getting the toughest draw possible in every single draw going is a really strange notion
Quote from: Manning18 on June 09, 2025, 09:31:21 PMQuote from: weareros on June 05, 2025, 01:50:21 PMQuote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Jaysus Larryin89, you've entered "two bald men fighting over a comb" territory there.
Absolutely nothing surer than Larryin is a balding 36 year old anyway. The belly poking far out over the blue bootcut jeans, typing furiously into the Motorola at lunch before he tucks into the packed ham sandwich. You have to love the confidence of an old foundation English student in tackling an online forum with such vigour.
Doing your best to be superior on a lot of fronts there chap. Keep the head up!
This weekends predictions:
Donegal v Mayo: Impossible to know what Mayo will bring to this game; they were impressive ganst Tyrone; but Tyrone just werent at it. Can't see Donegal being flat here like Tyrone were despite having a safety net of sorts; Donegal by 5.
Cavan v Tyrone; Tyrone will have way too much for Cavan; Cavan just be hoping Doengal get Mayo and they avoid Derry/Dublin/Galway in next round. Tyrone by 12.
Kerry v Meath; Great opportunity for Meath to show their progress this year. Kerry will have too uch though. Kerry by 7.
Cork v Roscommon; Hard to know what you are going to get from either side. Rossies might just have enough. Rossies by 4.
Monaghan v Down; Would be nice to see Down pull this off and I wouldnt write them off. Monaghan have been very impressive though and I feel they have a real chance of reaching an all ireland semi. Monaghan by 3.
Louth v Clare; Louth should have too much; Louth by 5.
Armagh v Galway; Armaghs reserves will provide a stern test here with Rian getting more valuable minutes; expect Galway topull through though; Galway by 3.
Derry v Dublin; Can Derry backup last weekends big performance I'm not sure; I hope they can but alot could depend on whether Con is fit or not. Dublin by 5 I reckon.
Anyone else willing to give it a rattle?
Donegal v Mayo DRAW
Cavan v Tyrone 5
Kerry v Meath 6
Cork v Roscommon DRAW
Monaghan v Down 4
Louth v Clare 3
Armagh v Galway 1
Derry v Dublin DRAW
Donegal v Mayo Donegal by 7
Cavan v Tyrone Cavan by 1
Kerry v Meath Kerry by 4
Cork v Roscommon Cork by 8
Monaghan v Down Monaghan by 3
Louth v Clare Louth by 12
Armagh v Galway Galway by 5
Derry v Dublin Derry by 1
Donegal v Mayo Donegal by 5
Cavan v Tyrone Tyrone by 8
Kerry v Meath Kerry by 10
Cork v Roscommon Cork by 5
Monaghan v Down Monaghan by 5
Louth v Clare Louth by 10
Armagh v Galway Draw :-)
Derry v Dublin Dublin by 3
Donegal v Mayo - Mayo by 1
Cavan v Tyrone - Tyrone by 6
Kerry v Meath - Kerry by 8
Cork v Roscommon - Roscommon by 1
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 3
Louth v Clare - Louth by 4
Armagh v Galway - DRAW
Derry v Dublin - DRAW
Donegal v Mayo - Donegal by 3
Cavan v Tyrone - Tyrone by 5
Kerry v Meath - Kerry by 7
Cork v Roscommon - Draw
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 3
Louth v Clare - Louth by 3
Armagh v Galway - Galway by 4
Derry v Dublin - Dublin by 5
Kerry v Meath - Kerry by 8
Roscommon v Cork - Roscommon by 2
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 2
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 1
Louth v Clare - Louth by 6
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 5
Donegal v Mayo - Draw
Tyrone v Cavan - Tyrone by 6
Donegal v Mayo - Draw (if ever a game was destined for a draw)
Cavan v Tyrone - Tyrone by 3
Kerry v Meath - Kerry by 4
Cork v Roscommon - Ros by 3
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 2
Louth v Clare - Louth by 4
Armagh v Galway - Galway by 2
Derry v Dublin - Dublin by 2
It will be an exciting weekend of football and powers that be probably ditched the format too soon. Yes only 4 go out after 3 rounds, but 4 more out next week, and 4 more the weekend after. It's carnage from now on.
Kerry v Meath - Kerry by 14
Roscommon v Cork - Roscommon by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 3
Galway v Armagh - Armagh by 3
Louth v Clare - Louth by 8
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 8
Donegal v Mayo - Donegal by 7
Tyrone v Cavan - Tyrone by 14
Kerry v Meath - Kerry by 8
Roscommon v Cork - Roscommon by 3
Dublin v Derry - Derry by 3
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 6
Louth v Clare - Louth by 8
Monaghan v Down - Down by 3
Donegal v Mayo - Mayo by 2
Tyrone v Cavan - Tyrone by 7
Donegal by 3
Tyrone by 6
Kerry by 8
Ros/Cork draw
Monaghan by 2
Louth by 9
Armagh by 2
Dublin/Derry draw
Kerry v Meath - Kerry by 7
Roscommon v Cork - draw
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 3
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 3
Louth v Clare - Louth by 8
Monaghan v Down - draw
Donegal v Mayo - Donegal by 7
Tyrone v Cavan - Tyrone by 7
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 10, 2025, 01:05:08 PMArmagh v Galway - DRAW
Derry v Dublin - DRAW
There would be a few people checking their phones in that case, presumably Galway get third place on score difference, but Derry get another point and they are gone.
Kerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw
Quote from: Manning18 on June 09, 2025, 09:31:21 PMQuote from: weareros on June 05, 2025, 01:50:21 PMQuote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Jaysus Larryin89, you've entered "two bald men fighting over a comb" territory there.
Absolutely nothing surer than Larryin is a balding 36 year old anyway. The belly poking far out over the blue bootcut jeans, typing furiously into the Motorola at lunch before he tucks into the packed ham sandwich. You have to love the confidence of an old foundation English student in tackling an online forum with such vigour.
Dear me ! Only seeing this now . Brilliant . Very accurate description too . Although I find your derogatory tone in regards to boot cut jeans very hurtful as i look rather dashing in them and the advice I took on board at the time of purchase was they are all the rage again "back in " baby .
Quote from: armaghniac on June 10, 2025, 04:30:53 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 10, 2025, 01:05:08 PMArmagh v Galway - DRAW
Derry v Dublin - DRAW
There would be a few people checking their phones in that case, presumably Galway get third place on score difference, but Derry get another point and they are gone.
Those predictions were just my first draft though 8)
Kerry v Meath - A match Kerry are more than capable of winning by double figures if in the mood but I'd expect them to somewhat ease off and win by about 5 points.
Roscommon v Cork - Both have plenty of talented players but both poorly managed teams, flick a coin as to who will win this one I'll sit on the fence and predict a draw
Dublin v Derry - Derry have showed improvement in their last few games but a long run without a win is hard to break, Dublin surely can't be as wasteful as they were against Armagh and should prevail. Dublin by 2
Galway v Armagh - Regardless what McGeeney said to the media they are going to have both eyes on the last 8 tie now. Galway's need is far greater and should be winning. Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - Louth looked like a team that celebrated a little too much after winning Leinster and can you blame them? would expect a focused display from them and to win by 6 points.
Monaghan v Down - Down beat Monaghan in Clones in round 7 of the league showing what they are capable of but not easy to beat a favourite twice and I think Monaghan will edge this one by 2 points.
Donegal v Mayo - This game looks like the most likely draw game of the weekend.
Tyrone v Cavan - Cavan's suffering against Tyrone to continue, Tyrone by 7 points.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 11, 2025, 08:28:23 AMKerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw
The predictions of a man in fantasy football going all in for a miraculous win after the group games
All you're missing is a Down win, maybe a typo 🤔
Kerry
Roscommon
Derry
Galway
Louth
Monaghan
Donegal
Tyrone
As a Mayoman, I am not very optimistic of our chances on Sunday. I feel we are just at different stages of development at the current time. Donegal were the proverbial kick of the ball away from beating Galway last July to reach the All-Ireland final. Bearing that in mind, I listed the Donegal lineouts from last year V Galway and this year V Armagh.
Aside from the inclusion of Michael Murphy, (immeasurable), Sean Patton, who missed the last two games (and whose kickouts are key to Donegal's success) and McGonagle who was injured V Tyrone, ( much less of a loss IMO, but he obviously served a purpose), given the potential individual matchups,can anyone come up with a reason why Donegal should not win this game by 6-7pts minimum. Only way I see this not happening is that Tyrone are up by 10-12pts ten minutes into second half and Jimmy McGuiness knowing that they will not win the group, somewhat raises the white flag and decides to take off his veterans or anyone carrying a knock, knowing that they will be playing back to back games in the following two weeks. (I am assuming without doubt they will make the Q/finals. Thoughts appreciated
Donegal V Armagh 2025
Donegal: S Patton; F Roarty, B McCole, P Mogan (0-01); R McHugh, C McGonagle, C Moore (1-01); C Thompson (0-04, 2tp), M Langan (0-02); D O Baoill (0-01), H McFadden (1-00), S O'Donnell; P McBrearty (0-03, 3f), M Murphy (0-03), O Gallen (0-04).
Subs: C O'Donnell (0-01) for McBrearty (42), J McGee (0-01) for McFadden (49), J Brennan for O Baoill (51), E McHugh for Moore (54), A Doherty for Gallen (64),N O'Donnell (0-02) for Brennan (71), McBrearty for Murphy (76), O Baoill for McHugh (78), Moore for S O'Donnell (81), S McMenamin for McCole (83).
Donegal V Galway 2024
Donegal: Shaun Patton; Ciaran Moore, Brendan McCole, Eoghan Ban Gallagher; Ryan McHugh, Caolan McGonagle (0-01), Peadar Mogan; Ciarán Thompson (0-02, 1m), Michael Langan (0-04); Caolan McColgan, Shane O'Donnell (0-02), Jason McGee; Patrick McBrearty (0-03, 1f), Oisin Gallen (0-03), Aaron Doherty.
Subs: Daire Ó Baoill for McColgan (29), Jeaic Mac Ceallabhuà for Gallagher (47), Hugh McFadden for McGee (59), Niall O'Donnell for McBrearty (59), Odhrán Doherty for Aaron Doherty (62)
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 11, 2025, 08:28:23 AMKerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw
With both Cliffords, Geaney, DOC and Barry Dan out, that Meath prediction might be right and good value at 12/1
Kerry v Meath , should be a routine victory for the kingdom .
Roscommon v Cork , hard to call this one , cork were very good in Munster clash v Kerry but seemed to have been drained by it . Rossies have potential but don't seem to reach it , ros forwards clique on the day should be enough to see them over the line .
Dubs v Derry ... Dubs if Con is back
Galway v Armagh .. Galway
Louth to beat Clare , Clare seem to have issues with playing for 70 mins
Monaghan to beat Down
Donegal to beat Mayo by whatever they feel like , teams operating at different levels this year unfortunately
Tyrone to hammer Cavan .
Kerry to win the all Ireland and we will all wonder why we labelled it anybody's all Ireland , no team to get within 5 points of them from the knockout stage till they lift Sam in a few weeks time .
Quote from: larryin89 on June 12, 2025, 09:02:44 AMKerry v Meath , should be a routine victory for the kingdom .
Roscommon v Cork , hard to call this one , cork were very good in Munster clash v Kerry but seemed to have been drained by it . Rossies have potential but don't seem to reach it , ros forwards clique on the day should be enough to see them over the line .
Dubs v Derry ... Dubs if Con is back
Galway v Armagh .. Galway
Louth to beat Clare , Clare seem to have issues with playing for 70 mins
Monaghan to beat Down
Donegal to beat Mayo by whatever they feel like , teams operating at different levels this year unfortunately
Tyrone to hammer Cavan .
Kerry to win the all Ireland and we will all wonder why we labelled it anybody's all Ireland , no team to get within 5 points of them from the knockout stage till they lift Sam in a few weeks time .
That won't happen. The only thing that will win Kerry the all ireland is the site of the Kerry jersey beating teams not because they've superior players.
Can't see Galway beating them in championship and year or two too early for tyrone but Donegal or Armagh I would definitely fancy.
Quote from: blanketattack on June 12, 2025, 02:33:45 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 11, 2025, 08:28:23 AMKerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw
With both Cliffords, Geaney, DOC and Barry Dan out, that Meath prediction might be right and good value at 12/1
All injured? That could be interesting, not just for this weekend
QuoteAbsolutely nothing surer than Larryin is a balding 36 year old anyway. The belly poking far out over the blue bootcut jeans, typing furiously into the Motorola at lunch before he tucks into the packed ham sandwich. You have to love the confidence of an old foundation English student in tackling an online forum with such vigour.
Typical Galway bucks playing the man and not the ball.
I might meet ya in Reagans on Sunday baldy Larry, send me a text on your dumb phone.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 12, 2025, 10:02:18 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 12, 2025, 02:33:45 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 11, 2025, 08:28:23 AMKerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw
With both Cliffords, Geaney, DOC and Barry Dan out, that Meath prediction might be right and good value at 12/1
All injured? That could be interesting, not just for this weekend
A Kerryman I was talking to this morning said this week's Kerryman said DOC, Barry Dan, Geaney and Paudie won't play. He said the Kerryman (as a local paper) tends to be very reliable with injuries and stuff like that and that DC and O'Beaglaoich are also rumoured to be out. Said the talk is Barry Dan is gone for the year and it's very doubtful whether DOC will feature anytime soon. Could just be yerra but if all that lot are missing it could be a very different 26 named and could be a serious blow to Kerry's chances at Sam.
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 12, 2025, 11:32:28 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 12, 2025, 10:02:18 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 12, 2025, 02:33:45 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 11, 2025, 08:28:23 AMKerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw
With both Cliffords, Geaney, DOC and Barry Dan out, that Meath prediction might be right and good value at 12/1
All injured? That could be interesting, not just for this weekend
A Kerryman I was talking to this morning said this week's Kerryman said DOC, Barry Dan, Geaney and Paudie won't play. He said the Kerryman (as a local paper) tends to be very reliable with injuries and stuff like that and that DC and O'Beaglaoich are also rumoured to be out. Said the talk is Barry Dan is gone for the year and it's very doubtful whether DOC will feature anytime soon. Could just be yerra but if all that lot are missing it could be a very different 26 named and could be a serious blow to Kerry's chances at Sam.
Barry Dan and DOC would be massive blows especially given that MF is everything now.
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 12, 2025, 11:32:28 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 12, 2025, 10:02:18 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 12, 2025, 02:33:45 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 11, 2025, 08:28:23 AMKerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw
With both Cliffords, Geaney, DOC and Barry Dan out, that Meath prediction might be right and good value at 12/1
All injured? That could be interesting, not just for this weekend
A Kerryman I was talking to this morning said this week's Kerryman said DOC, Barry Dan, Geaney and Paudie won't play. He said the Kerryman (as a local paper) tends to be very reliable with injuries and stuff like that and that DC and O'Beaglaoich are also rumoured to be out. Said the talk is Barry Dan is gone for the year and it's very doubtful whether DOC will feature anytime soon. Could just be yerra but if all that lot are missing it could be a very different 26 named and could be a serious blow to Kerry's chances at Sam.
If all six are out Meath will fancy their chances of finishing top of the group, any team with injuries won't want three games in consecutive weeks which is what Kerry will likely get if they drop into 2nd place.
Possible starting 15 if all six are out?
Shane Ryan
Tom O'Sullivan Jason Foley Dylan Casey
Gavin White Mike Breen Paul Murphy
Joe O'Connor Mark O'Shea
Micheal Burns Sean O'Shea Graham O'Sullivan
Killian Spillane Dylan Geaney Tony Brosnan
Alot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone
I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.
But Donegal should win this.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone
I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.
But Donegal should win this.
No Patton and Donegal being overhyped. Tipped Donegal, but it could go either way. Would like to see a Mayo win
Quote from: larryin89 on June 12, 2025, 09:02:44 AMKerry v Meath , should be a routine victory for the kingdom .
Roscommon v Cork , hard to call this one , cork were very good in Munster clash v Kerry but seemed to have been drained by it . Rossies have potential but don't seem to reach it , ros forwards clique on the day should be enough to see them over the line .
Dubs v Derry ... Dubs if Con is back
Galway v Armagh .. Galway
Louth to beat Clare , Clare seem to have issues with playing for 70 mins
Monaghan to beat Down
Donegal to beat Mayo by whatever they feel like , teams operating at different levels this year unfortunately
Tyrone to hammer Cavan .
Kerry to win the all Ireland and we will all wonder why we labelled it anybody's all Ireland , no team to get within 5 points of them from the knockout stage till they lift Sam in a few weeks time .
Larry,
agree on Mayo, see my comments from earlier.
As a Mayoman, I am not very optimistic of our chances on Sunday. I feel we are just at different stages of development at the current time. Donegal were the proverbial kick of the ball away from beating Galway last July to reach the All-Ireland final. Bearing that in mind, I listed the Donegal lineouts from last year V Galway and this year V Armagh.
Aside from the inclusion of Michael Murphy, (immeasurable), Sean Patton, who missed the last two games (and whose kickouts are key to Donegal's success) and McGonagle who was injured V Tyrone, ( much less of a loss IMO, but he obviously served a purpose), given the potential individual matchups,can anyone come up with a reason why Donegal should not win this game by 6-7pts minimum. Only way I see this not happening is that Tyrone are up by 10-12pts ten minutes into second half and Jimmy McGuiness knowing that they will not win the group, somewhat raises the white flag and decides to take off his veterans or anyone carrying a knock, knowing that they will be playing back to back games in the following two weeks. (I am assuming without doubt they will make the Q/finals. Thoughts appreciated
Donegal V Armagh 2025
Donegal: S Patton; F Roarty, B McCole, P Mogan (0-01); R McHugh, C McGonagle, C Moore (1-01); C Thompson (0-04, 2tp), M Langan (0-02); D O Baoill (0-01), H McFadden (1-00), S O'Donnell; P McBrearty (0-03, 3f), M Murphy (0-03), O Gallen (0-04).
Subs: C O'Donnell (0-01) for McBrearty (42), J McGee (0-01) for McFadden (49), J Brennan for O Baoill (51), E McHugh for Moore (54), A Doherty for Gallen (64),N O'Donnell (0-02) for Brennan (71), McBrearty for Murphy (76), O Baoill for McHugh (78), Moore for S O'Donnell (81), S McMenamin for McCole (83).
Donegal V Galway 2024
Donegal: Shaun Patton; Ciaran Moore, Brendan McCole, Eoghan Ban Gallagher; Ryan McHugh, Caolan McGonagle (0-01), Peadar Mogan; Ciarán Thompson (0-02, 1m), Michael Langan (0-04); Caolan McColgan, Shane O'Donnell (0-02), Jason McGee; Patrick McBrearty (0-03, 1f), Oisin Gallen (0-03), Aaron Doherty.
Subs: Daire Ó Baoill for McColgan (29), Jeaic Mac Ceallabhuà for Gallagher (47), Hugh McFadden for McGee (59), Niall O'Donnell for McBrearty (59), Odhrán Doherty for Aaron Doherty (62)
Quote from: JoG2 on June 12, 2025, 03:44:43 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone
I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.
But Donegal should win this.
No Patton and Donegal being overhyped. Tipped Donegal, but it could go either way. Would like to see a Mayo win
Is Patton definitely missing? He did the warmup in the last 2 games.
Not sure if Donegal are over hyped.
They've far more options for scores than Mayo. And more 2 points options also.
Mayo are at their best with their backs against the wall but can see Donegal having too much.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone
I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.
But Donegal should win this.
With Mayo's record against Donegal the last decade it's easy to understand why they aren't wrote off. Beating Tyrone so comfortably can't be dismissed so easily and that was the same Tyrone team lets not forget that beat Donegal in Ballybofey.
Since the 2012 All Ireland final just one win for Donegal over Mayo which was 9 years ago. Four draws in that time and seven Mayo wins.
Last defeat for Mayo in Dr Hyde Park was against Westmeath in 2001 in a round 4 Qualifier 1-14 to 0-16. Donegal's last visit to that venue was two years ago against Roscommon losing 0-20 to 0-8.
Also have to taken into account if Tyrone have the win more or less wrapped up against Cavan both in the Hyde will be happy to play out for a draw.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 12, 2025, 05:43:58 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone
I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.
But Donegal should win this.
With Mayo's record against Donegal the last decade it's easy to understand why they aren't wrote off. Beating Tyrone so comfortably can't be dismissed so easily and that was the same Tyrone team lets not forget that beat Donegal in Ballybofey.
Since the 2012 All Ireland final just one win for Donegal over Mayo which was 9 years ago. Four draws in that time and seven Mayo wins.
Last defeat for Mayo in Dr Hyde Park was against Westmeath in 2001 in a round 4 Qualifier 1-14 to 0-16. Donegal's last visit to that venue was two years ago against Roscommon losing 0-20 to 0-8.
Also have to taken into account if Tyrone have the win more or less wrapped up against Cavan both in the Hyde will be happy to play out for a draw.
What also has to be factored in though is the Mayo Tyrone game was set up for an ambush. 1 week break Mayo losing to Cavan Tyrone after putting everything into the Donegal game the week before.
Similar to Donegal Tyrone game. Tyrone ambushed them.
There's no elements for an ambush this weekend Donegal have got their scare v Tyrone and will be 100% focused. 2 week break for both sides aswell evens the playing field.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone
I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.
But Donegal should win this.
Did you listen to the Football Pod with Paddy Andrews and James O'Donoghue? They have soundly written them off with O'Donoghue even going as far as to say that they don't "deserve" to progress to the next stage because they lost to Cavan, which is frankly a bizarre comment.
They won't win the game, but I don't think it'll be a hiding either. Think it'll be 3 or 4 points.
Quote from: WhoDat on June 12, 2025, 06:07:40 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone
I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.
But Donegal should win this.
Did you listen to the Football Pod with Paddy Andrews and James O'Donoghue? They have soundly written them off with O'Donoghue even going as far as to say that they don't "deserve" to progress to the next stage because they lost to Cavan, which is frankly a bizarre comment.
They won't win the game, but I don't think it'll be a hiding either. Think it'll be 3 or 4 points.
Quote from: WhoDat on June 12, 2025, 06:07:40 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone
I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.
But Donegal should win this.
Did you listen to the Football Pod with Paddy Andrews and James O'Donoghue? They have soundly written them off with O'Donoghue even going as far as to say that they don't "deserve" to progress to the next stage because they lost to Cavan, which is frankly a bizarre comment.
They won't win the game, but I don't think it'll be a hiding either. Think it'll be 3 or 4 points.
Must listen to that.
I'd agree on 3-4 points.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 12, 2025, 05:43:58 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone
I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.
But Donegal should win this.
With Mayo's record against Donegal the last decade it's easy to understand why they aren't wrote off. Beating Tyrone so comfortably can't be dismissed so easily and that was the same Tyrone team lets not forget that beat Donegal in Ballybofey.
Since the 2012 All Ireland final just one win for Donegal over Mayo which was 9 years ago. Four draws in that time and seven Mayo wins.
Last defeat for Mayo in Dr Hyde Park was against Westmeath in 2001 in a round 4 Qualifier 1-14 to 0-16. Donegal's last visit to that venue was two years ago against Roscommon losing 0-20 to 0-8.
Also have to taken into account if Tyrone have the win more or less wrapped up against Cavan both in the Hyde will be happy to play out for a draw.
And let's throw in the fact that we don't know if Patton will play. Same with Jason McGee (some rumours on Hogan Stand that he might be done altogether!). Niall O'Donnell has also missed the past couple of games after playing a vital sub role in winning the Ulster final.
This is a 50-50 game to me, and if word DOES come through that Tyrone are doing the business against Cavan, I'd say both teams might very well ease off the intensity, whether or not that would result in a draw.
Quote from: J70 on June 12, 2025, 07:18:43 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 12, 2025, 05:43:58 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone
I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.
But Donegal should win this.
With Mayo's record against Donegal the last decade it's easy to understand why they aren't wrote off. Beating Tyrone so comfortably can't be dismissed so easily and that was the same Tyrone team lets not forget that beat Donegal in Ballybofey.
Since the 2012 All Ireland final just one win for Donegal over Mayo which was 9 years ago. Four draws in that time and seven Mayo wins.
Last defeat for Mayo in Dr Hyde Park was against Westmeath in 2001 in a round 4 Qualifier 1-14 to 0-16. Donegal's last visit to that venue was two years ago against Roscommon losing 0-20 to 0-8.
Also have to taken into account if Tyrone have the win more or less wrapped up against Cavan both in the Hyde will be happy to play out for a draw.
And let's throw in the fact that we don't know if Patton will play. Same with Jason McGee (some rumours on Hogan Stand that he might be done altogether!). Niall O'Donnell has also missed the past couple of games after playing a vital sub role in winning the Ulster final.
This is a 50-50 game to me, and if word DOES come through that Tyrone are doing the business against Cavan, I'd say both teams might very well ease off the intensity, whether or not that would result in a draw.
Why would both teams ease off?
Tyrone win is bad for Mayo.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 12, 2025, 01:49:01 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on June 12, 2025, 11:32:28 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 12, 2025, 10:02:18 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 12, 2025, 02:33:45 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 11, 2025, 08:28:23 AMKerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw
With both Cliffords, Geaney, DOC and Barry Dan out, that Meath prediction might be right and good value at 12/1
All injured? That could be interesting, not just for this weekend
A Kerryman I was talking to this morning said this week's Kerryman said DOC, Barry Dan, Geaney and Paudie won't play. He said the Kerryman (as a local paper) tends to be very reliable with injuries and stuff like that and that DC and O'Beaglaoich are also rumoured to be out. Said the talk is Barry Dan is gone for the year and it's very doubtful whether DOC will feature anytime soon. Could just be yerra but if all that lot are missing it could be a very different 26 named and could be a serious blow to Kerry's chances at Sam.
If all six are out Meath will fancy their chances of finishing top of the group, any team with injuries won't want three games in consecutive weeks which is what Kerry will likely get if they drop into 2nd place.
Possible starting 15 if all six are out?
Shane Ryan
Tom O'Sullivan Jason Foley Dylan Casey
Gavin White Mike Breen Paul Murphy
Joe O'Connor Mark O'Shea
Micheal Burns Sean O'Shea Graham O'Sullivan
Killian Spillane Dylan Geaney Tony Brosnan
The actual Kerry team. David Clifford named to start.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GtQ6KDQXEAAtSQB?format=jpg&name=large)
If we can't beat Louth or Roscommon when it matters I don't see us beating Kerry. They'll go up the gears if they need to if we cause them any trouble. I hope I'm wrong but that's how I see it.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 12, 2025, 01:49:01 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on June 12, 2025, 11:32:28 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 12, 2025, 10:02:18 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 12, 2025, 02:33:45 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 11, 2025, 08:28:23 AMKerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw
With both Cliffords, Geaney, DOC and Barry Dan out, that Meath prediction might be right and good value at 12/1
All injured? That could be interesting, not just for this weekend
A Kerryman I was talking to this morning said this week's Kerryman said DOC, Barry Dan, Geaney and Paudie won't play. He said the Kerryman (as a local paper) tends to be very reliable with injuries and stuff like that and that DC and O'Beaglaoich are also rumoured to be out. Said the talk is Barry Dan is gone for the year and it's very doubtful whether DOC will feature anytime soon. Could just be yerra but if all that lot are missing it could be a very different 26 named and could be a serious blow to Kerry's chances at Sam.
If all six are out Meath will fancy their chances of finishing top of the group, any team with injuries won't want three games in consecutive weeks which is what Kerry will likely get if they drop into 2nd place.
Possible starting 15 if all six are out?
Shane Ryan
Tom O'Sullivan Jason Foley Dylan Casey
Gavin White Mike Breen Paul Murphy
Joe O'Connor Mark O'Shea
Micheal Burns Sean O'Shea Graham O'Sullivan
Killian Spillane Dylan Geaney Tony Brosnan
Meath are missing players also. All the talk about kerry missing midfielders Meath are down 4 midfielders. Meath will be playing with their third or fourth choice midfield. Meath are missing Ronan Jones, Jack Flynn, Jack kinlough and Conor Gray missing all midfielders. Jones, Flynn,Kinlough are out for the rest of the year. Jack Flynn is Meath best midfielder, Ronan Jones is Meaths real leader around mid field area, only playet on team at his peak at 28. While kinlough who started ad third man midfielder in 8 games in a row the league and start of championship was excellent is also out. While Conor Gray who was outstanding in Tailtean cup winning campaign is coming back after three months in hospital pneumonia and injury after injury is only now able to take his place on bench. Meath will have three man midfield of veteran 34 year old Brian Menton who struggles to last 70 minutes and past his best. Adam O Neill will partner him who is defender basically a full back. Meath third man midfielder is 20 year old Conor Duke. No one mentioning Meath are missing best midfielders Flynn and Jones and another midfield starter on 40 kinlough. Not one mentioning in this media. Meath are down 4 midfielders and have to play defender at midfield.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 07:38:30 PMQuote from: J70 on June 12, 2025, 07:18:43 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 12, 2025, 05:43:58 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 03:41:00 PMAlot of people in the media and on forums afraid to write Mayo off this weekend after the results they produced against Tyrone
I just don't see how they win this weekend. Unless it's an absolute stinker of an evening which could effect Donegals running game.
But Donegal should win this.
With Mayo's record against Donegal the last decade it's easy to understand why they aren't wrote off. Beating Tyrone so comfortably can't be dismissed so easily and that was the same Tyrone team lets not forget that beat Donegal in Ballybofey.
Since the 2012 All Ireland final just one win for Donegal over Mayo which was 9 years ago. Four draws in that time and seven Mayo wins.
Last defeat for Mayo in Dr Hyde Park was against Westmeath in 2001 in a round 4 Qualifier 1-14 to 0-16. Donegal's last visit to that venue was two years ago against Roscommon losing 0-20 to 0-8.
Also have to taken into account if Tyrone have the win more or less wrapped up against Cavan both in the Hyde will be happy to play out for a draw.
And let's throw in the fact that we don't know if Patton will play. Same with Jason McGee (some rumours on Hogan Stand that he might be done altogether!). Niall O'Donnell has also missed the past couple of games after playing a vital sub role in winning the Ulster final.
This is a 50-50 game to me, and if word DOES come through that Tyrone are doing the business against Cavan, I'd say both teams might very well ease off the intensity, whether or not that would result in a draw.
Why would both teams ease off?
Tyrone win is bad for Mayo.
Fair point. Maybe if it was level with only a couple of minutes left you'd see both ease up.
Quote from: BillyFlynnfromTrim on June 13, 2025, 09:36:25 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 12, 2025, 01:49:01 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on June 12, 2025, 11:32:28 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 12, 2025, 10:02:18 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 12, 2025, 02:33:45 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 11, 2025, 08:28:23 AMKerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw
With both Cliffords, Geaney, DOC and Barry Dan out, that Meath prediction might be right and good value at 12/1
All injured? That could be interesting, not just for this weekend
A Kerryman I was talking to this morning said this week's Kerryman said DOC, Barry Dan, Geaney and Paudie won't play. He said the Kerryman (as a local paper) tends to be very reliable with injuries and stuff like that and that DC and O'Beaglaoich are also rumoured to be out. Said the talk is Barry Dan is gone for the year and it's very doubtful whether DOC will feature anytime soon. Could just be yerra but if all that lot are missing it could be a very different 26 named and could be a serious blow to Kerry's chances at Sam.
If all six are out Meath will fancy their chances of finishing top of the group, any team with injuries won't want three games in consecutive weeks which is what Kerry will likely get if they drop into 2nd place.
Possible starting 15 if all six are out?
Shane Ryan
Tom O'Sullivan Jason Foley Dylan Casey
Gavin White Mike Breen Paul Murphy
Joe O'Connor Mark O'Shea
Micheal Burns Sean O'Shea Graham O'Sullivan
Killian Spillane Dylan Geaney Tony Brosnan
Meath are missing players also. All the talk about kerry missing midfielders Meath are down 4 midfielders. Meath will be playing with their third or fourth choice midfield. Meath are missing Ronan Jones, Jack Flynn, Jack kinlough and Conor Gray missing all midfielders. Jones, Flynn,Kinlough are out for the rest of the year. Jack Flynn is Meath best midfielder, Ronan Jones is Meaths real leader around mid field area, only playet on team at his peak at 28. While kinlough who started ad third man midfielder in 8 games in a row the league and start of championship was excellent is also out. While Conor Gray who was outstanding in Tailtean cup winning campaign is coming back after three months in hospital pneumonia and injury after injury is only now able to take his place on bench. Meath will have three man midfield of veteran 34 year old Brian Menton who struggles to last 70 minutes and past his best. Adam O Neill will partner him who is defender basically a full back. Meath third man midfielder is 20 year old Conor Duke. No one mentioning Meath are missing best midfielders Flynn and Jones and another midfield starter on 40 kinlough. Not one mentioning in this media. Meath are down 4 midfielders and have to play defender at midfield.
I'm actually surprised at how litte coverage this game has gotten in the GAA media this week. Loads of the pods and stuff seem to be writing it off as an automatic win for Kerry paying it very little mention.
That Kerry starting 15 looks reasonable - the issue is that bench looks fairly inexperienced for the most part. I'd say there are a fair few there with only limited enough championship game time.
With be interesting to see how the midfield goes with both sides missing players there.
It would be interesting to see what would happen in Hyde if teams were level with 5 mins to go. I reckon Donegal would need to initiate the "ease off" first and play keep ball and then our lads would get the "message" to do the same. If that were to happen both teams would be in for a media slating I'd say, spirit of the game and all that bull.
I reckon it will happen for sure. It may even happen with 10 mins to go.
Quote from: highorlow on June 13, 2025, 10:19:30 AMIt would be interesting to see what would happen in Hyde if teams were level with 5 mins to go. I reckon Donegal would need to initiate the "ease off" first and play keep ball and then our lads would get the "message" to do the same. If that were to happen both teams would be in for a media slating I'd say, spirit of the game and all that bull.
I reckon it will happen for sure. It may even happen with 10 mins to go.
I can't see that happening. Even the difference in coming 2nd or 3rd could be the difference in playing the Dubs in Croker or a weaker team at home.
Quote from: highorlow on June 13, 2025, 10:19:30 AMIt would be interesting to see what would happen in Hyde if teams were level with 5 mins to go. I reckon Donegal would need to initiate the "ease off" first and play keep ball and then our lads would get the "message" to do the same. If that were to happen both teams would be in for a media slating I'd say, spirit of the game and all that bull.
I reckon it will happen for sure. It may even happen with 10 mins to go.
Hmmmmm that sounds great....until the team in possession hears the hooter......
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 07:38:30 PMWhy would both teams ease off?
Tyrone win is bad for Mayo.
A Tyrone win isn't necessarily bad for Mayo. Granted a Cavan win would guarantee they progress to the next round. However if Tyrone win (most likely scenario) then Mayo need something out of the game or they are out on the head to head with Cavan, but a Mayo win would ensure they finish top of the group and have an extra week off with no preliminary QF to play.
Mayo can't afford to ease off in this game unless Cavan win against Tyrone.
Quote from: RedKinght on June 13, 2025, 11:13:57 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 12, 2025, 07:38:30 PMWhy would both teams ease off?
Tyrone win is bad for Mayo.
A Tyrone win isn't necessarily bad for Mayo. Granted a Cavan win would guarantee they progress to the next round. However if Tyrone win (most likely scenario) then Mayo need something out of the game or they are out on the head to head with Cavan, but a Mayo win would ensure they finish top of the group and have an extra week off with no preliminary QF to play.
Mayo can't afford to ease off in this game unless Cavan win against Tyrone.
Yes a Tyrone win is only good if Mayo beat Donegal.
Been a while since i drove to the Athletic grounds for a match, coming from Middletown direction, where is best to park?
Are you still allowed to park on the Hard Shoulder on the main road at the edge of Armagh, before Fleetwise ?
Quote from: FarneyMan on June 13, 2025, 12:41:33 PMBeen a while since i drove to the Athletic grounds for a match, coming from Middletown direction, where is best to park?
Are you still allowed to park on the Hard Shoulder on the main road at the edge of Armagh, before Fleetwise ?
Depends if you have the trailer full of diesel with you or not.
Park her facing for the border is my advice.
Matthew Costello out with a hamstring injury. Cathal Hickey in for him. Very hard to see it going our way now.
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 13, 2025, 10:29:04 AMQuote from: highorlow on June 13, 2025, 10:19:30 AMIt would be interesting to see what would happen in Hyde if teams were level with 5 mins to go. I reckon Donegal would need to initiate the "ease off" first and play keep ball and then our lads would get the "message" to do the same. If that were to happen both teams would be in for a media slating I'd say, spirit of the game and all that bull.
I reckon it will happen for sure. It may even happen with 10 mins to go.
Hmmmmm that sounds great....until the team in possession hears the hooter......
True! ;D
I see Patton named to start again, just like the last two games where he didn't. However, Mulreany is not even in the 26 (Jason McGee is). I'm assuming the 26 can be changed up to throw in?
QuoteI see Patton named to start again, just like the last two games where he didn't. However, Mulreany is not even in the 26 (Jason McGee is). I'm assuming the 26 can be changed up to throw in?
I think if you have a "medical issue" you can bring in a player that isn't named on the 26, not fully sure though. Need one of the refs on here to correct me.
Quote from: BillyFlynnfromTrim on June 13, 2025, 09:36:25 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 12, 2025, 01:49:01 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on June 12, 2025, 11:32:28 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 12, 2025, 10:02:18 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 12, 2025, 02:33:45 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 11, 2025, 08:28:23 AMKerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw
With both Cliffords, Geaney, DOC and Barry Dan out, that Meath prediction might be right and good value at 12/1
All injured? That could be interesting, not just for this weekend
A Kerryman I was talking to this morning said this week's Kerryman said DOC, Barry Dan, Geaney and Paudie won't play. He said the Kerryman (as a local paper) tends to be very reliable with injuries and stuff like that and that DC and O'Beaglaoich are also rumoured to be out. Said the talk is Barry Dan is gone for the year and it's very doubtful whether DOC will feature anytime soon. Could just be yerra but if all that lot are missing it could be a very different 26 named and could be a serious blow to Kerry's chances at Sam.
If all six are out Meath will fancy their chances of finishing top of the group, any team with injuries won't want three games in consecutive weeks which is what Kerry will likely get if they drop into 2nd place.
Possible starting 15 if all six are out?
Shane Ryan
Tom O'Sullivan Jason Foley Dylan Casey
Gavin White Mike Breen Paul Murphy
Joe O'Connor Mark O'Shea
Micheal Burns Sean O'Shea Graham O'Sullivan
Killian Spillane Dylan Geaney Tony Brosnan
Meath are missing players also. All the talk about kerry missing midfielders Meath are down 4 midfielders. Meath will be playing with their third or fourth choice midfield. Meath are missing Ronan Jones, Jack Flynn, Jack kinlough and Conor Gray missing all midfielders. Jones, Flynn,Kinlough are out for the rest of the year. Jack Flynn is Meath best midfielder, Ronan Jones is Meaths real leader around mid field area, only playet on team at his peak at 28. While kinlough who started ad third man midfielder in 8 games in a row the league and start of championship was excellent is also out. While Conor Gray who was outstanding in Tailtean cup winning campaign is coming back after three months in hospital pneumonia and injury after injury is only now able to take his place on bench. Meath will have three man midfield of veteran 34 year old Brian Menton who struggles to last 70 minutes and past his best. Adam O Neill will partner him who is defender basically a full back. Meath third man midfielder is 20 year old Conor Duke. No one mentioning Meath are missing best midfielders Flynn and Jones and another midfield starter on 40 kinlough. Not one mentioning in this media. Meath are down 4 midfielders and have to play defender at midfield.
Menton and Adam O'Neill was your midfield partnership against Dublin and absolutely dominated the Cluxton kick out. Jack Flynn, Jack kinlough and Conor Gray didn't play in that match and Ronan Jones was introduced for the final 15 minutes. Matthew Costello out the bigger taking point and blow to Meath's chances.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 13, 2025, 02:14:06 PMQuote from: BillyFlynnfromTrim on June 13, 2025, 09:36:25 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 12, 2025, 01:49:01 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on June 12, 2025, 11:32:28 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 12, 2025, 10:02:18 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 12, 2025, 02:33:45 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 11, 2025, 08:28:23 AMKerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw
With both Cliffords, Geaney, DOC and Barry Dan out, that Meath prediction might be right and good value at 12/1
All injured? That could be interesting, not just for this weekend
A Kerryman I was talking to this morning said this week's Kerryman said DOC, Barry Dan, Geaney and Paudie won't play. He said the Kerryman (as a local paper) tends to be very reliable with injuries and stuff like that and that DC and O'Beaglaoich are also rumoured to be out. Said the talk is Barry Dan is gone for the year and it's very doubtful whether DOC will feature anytime soon. Could just be yerra but if all that lot are missing it could be a very different 26 named and could be a serious blow to Kerry's chances at Sam.
If all six are out Meath will fancy their chances of finishing top of the group, any team with injuries won't want three games in consecutive weeks which is what Kerry will likely get if they drop into 2nd place.
Possible starting 15 if all six are out?
Shane Ryan
Tom O'Sullivan Jason Foley Dylan Casey
Gavin White Mike Breen Paul Murphy
Joe O'Connor Mark O'Shea
Micheal Burns Sean O'Shea Graham O'Sullivan
Killian Spillane Dylan Geaney Tony Brosnan
Meath are missing players also. All the talk about kerry missing midfielders Meath are down 4 midfielders. Meath will be playing with their third or fourth choice midfield. Meath are missing Ronan Jones, Jack Flynn, Jack kinlough and Conor Gray missing all midfielders. Jones, Flynn,Kinlough are out for the rest of the year. Jack Flynn is Meath best midfielder, Ronan Jones is Meaths real leader around mid field area, only playet on team at his peak at 28. While kinlough who started ad third man midfielder in 8 games in a row the league and start of championship was excellent is also out. While Conor Gray who was outstanding in Tailtean cup winning campaign is coming back after three months in hospital pneumonia and injury after injury is only now able to take his place on bench. Meath will have three man midfield of veteran 34 year old Brian Menton who struggles to last 70 minutes and past his best. Adam O Neill will partner him who is defender basically a full back. Meath third man midfielder is 20 year old Conor Duke. No one mentioning Meath are missing best midfielders Flynn and Jones and another midfield starter on 40 kinlough. Not one mentioning in this media. Meath are down 4 midfielders and have to play defender at midfield.
Menton and Adam O'Neill was your midfield partnership against Dublin and absolutely dominated the Cluxton kick out. Jack Flynn, Jack kinlough and Conor Gray didn't play in that match and Ronan Jones was introduced for the final 15 minutes. Matthew Costello out the bigger taking point and blow to Meath's chances.
Costello is huge loss. Meaths best player and means Meath have just as many important players missing as kerry.
Still doesn't take away O Neill is defender and Meaths 5th or 6th choice midfielder, Menton is veteran who struggles to last 70 mins and Duke is 20 year old novice. Jack Flynn, Ronan Jones, Jack kinlough are guaranteed starters for Meath at midfield. Jones and Flynn are Meath best players in mid sector and in my view fully fit Conor Gray playing like he did before he got pneumonia is Meaths best all round midfielder. Meath get everyone fit, in coming years it will very strong area for Meath. Menton will retire but you have Jack Flynn 25, Ronan Jones 28, Jack Kinlough 20, Conor Duke 20, Conor Gray 21 all options in mid section. While Cian McBride and Daithi McGowan are midfield options on panel. Conor Nash whose Aussie rules contract is up at end 2026 says he want to play for Meath. He is hugely talented midfielder. Also Charlie Gallagher Meath minor and Michael Mcivor Meath u20 both 6ft 5 midfielders and exceptional at 2 pointers look like real potential future midfielders also. Throw in John Harkin, Cian Commins and brillant Rian Stafford from Meath U20s half forward line last year and this year teams. All 3 are 6ft 4 anf brillant at 2 pointers. Meath have had problems at midfield since 2010. But in the coming years Meath will have huge depth in this area with many 6ft 4 6ft 5 midfielders and half forwards who are excellent at 2 pointer. I would expect in next 2 years player like Adam O Neill would end up being 8th or 9th choice Meath midfielder. Adam is excellent young defender and will replace Seamus Lavin in defence but he is not midfielder. And it does look like Dublin have issues at midfield, and with no real midfield talent coming through. Meath v Dublin rivalry does hinge at midfield. In that once Mullins retired in 1985 McEntee Hayes came dominate. Than McDermott in 90s Dublin couldn't deal with him. Same way Meath couldn't deal with Brian Fenton in last 10 years. Fenton retires Meath beat Dublin. Its linked.
Regards Meath beating kerry and Dublin in same championship year that would be an incredible achievement. Very few counties have beaten Dublin and kerry in same year in championship. Galway, Mayo, Roscommon, Donegal,Derry, Down have never beaten Kerry and Dublin in same year in championship. As far as I can see Only 6 counties have beaten Dublin and kerry in championship in same year and they are Meath, Offaly, kildare, Cork, Tyrone and Armagh.
As far I can see only 4 teams in leinster in 140 years have beaten kerry and Dublin in same year. They are
Meath in 2001
Kildare in 1998
Offaly in 1982
Kildare in 1927
Only 4 teams outside leinster have beaten Dubs and kerry in same year they are
Tyrone 2008
Tyrone 2005
Armagh 2002
Cork 1989
Only 8 teams have beaten Kerry and Dublin in same years in championship in 140 years. 7 of the 8 teams won All Ireland the other kildare got to All Ireland final. If Meath were to beat kerry, they would be youngest team ever in history of gaa to beat kerry and Dublin in same year in championship. With 8 Meath players starting who will 20 21 22 23, average age of this Meath team is 23. A Meath team that wouldn't peak for another 3 or 4 years. If Meath were to beat kerry after beating Dublin it would be historic achievement.
4/6 Galway, my god that is generous odds for a team that needs a win against a team that have the top spot guaranteed no matter if they lose by 100 points
Quote from: BillyFlynnfromTrim on June 13, 2025, 07:55:20 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 13, 2025, 02:14:06 PMQuote from: BillyFlynnfromTrim on June 13, 2025, 09:36:25 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 12, 2025, 01:49:01 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on June 12, 2025, 11:32:28 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 12, 2025, 10:02:18 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 12, 2025, 02:33:45 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 11, 2025, 08:28:23 AMKerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw
With both Cliffords, Geaney, DOC and Barry Dan out, that Meath prediction might be right and good value at 12/1
All injured? That could be interesting, not just for this weekend
A Kerryman I was talking to this morning said this week's Kerryman said DOC, Barry Dan, Geaney and Paudie won't play. He said the Kerryman (as a local paper) tends to be very reliable with injuries and stuff like that and that DC and O'Beaglaoich are also rumoured to be out. Said the talk is Barry Dan is gone for the year and it's very doubtful whether DOC will feature anytime soon. Could just be yerra but if all that lot are missing it could be a very different 26 named and could be a serious blow to Kerry's chances at Sam.
If all six are out Meath will fancy their chances of finishing top of the group, any team with injuries won't want three games in consecutive weeks which is what Kerry will likely get if they drop into 2nd place.
Possible starting 15 if all six are out?
Shane Ryan
Tom O'Sullivan Jason Foley Dylan Casey
Gavin White Mike Breen Paul Murphy
Joe O'Connor Mark O'Shea
Micheal Burns Sean O'Shea Graham O'Sullivan
Killian Spillane Dylan Geaney Tony Brosnan
Meath are missing players also. All the talk about kerry missing midfielders Meath are down 4 midfielders. Meath will be playing with their third or fourth choice midfield. Meath are missing Ronan Jones, Jack Flynn, Jack kinlough and Conor Gray missing all midfielders. Jones, Flynn,Kinlough are out for the rest of the year. Jack Flynn is Meath best midfielder, Ronan Jones is Meaths real leader around mid field area, only playet on team at his peak at 28. While kinlough who started ad third man midfielder in 8 games in a row the league and start of championship was excellent is also out. While Conor Gray who was outstanding in Tailtean cup winning campaign is coming back after three months in hospital pneumonia and injury after injury is only now able to take his place on bench. Meath will have three man midfield of veteran 34 year old Brian Menton who struggles to last 70 minutes and past his best. Adam O Neill will partner him who is defender basically a full back. Meath third man midfielder is 20 year old Conor Duke. No one mentioning Meath are missing best midfielders Flynn and Jones and another midfield starter on 40 kinlough. Not one mentioning in this media. Meath are down 4 midfielders and have to play defender at midfield.
Menton and Adam O'Neill was your midfield partnership against Dublin and absolutely dominated the Cluxton kick out. Jack Flynn, Jack kinlough and Conor Gray didn't play in that match and Ronan Jones was introduced for the final 15 minutes. Matthew Costello out the bigger taking point and blow to Meath's chances.
Costello is huge loss. Meaths best player and means Meath have just as many important players missing as kerry.
Still doesn't take away O Neill is defender and Meaths 5th or 6th choice midfielder, Menton is veteran who struggles to last 70 mins and Duke is 20 year old novice. Jack Flynn, Ronan Jones, Jack kinlough are guaranteed starters for Meath at midfield. Jones and Flynn are Meath best players in mid sector and in my view fully fit Conor Gray playing like he did before he got pneumonia is Meaths best all round midfielder. Meath get everyone fit, in coming years it will very strong area for Meath. Menton will retire but you have Jack Flynn 25, Ronan Jones 28, Jack Kinlough 20, Conor Duke 20, Conor Gray 21 all options in mid section. While Cian McBride and Daithi McGowan are midfield options on panel. Conor Nash whose Aussie rules contract is up at end 2026 says he want to play for Meath. He is hugely talented midfielder. Also Charlie Gallagher Meath minor and Michael Mcivor Meath u20 both 6ft 5 midfielders and exceptional at 2 pointers look like real potential future midfielders also. Throw in John Harkin, Cian Commins and brillant Rian Stafford from Meath U20s half forward line last year and this year teams. All 3 are 6ft 4 anf brillant at 2 pointers. Meath have had problems at midfield since 2010. But in the coming years Meath will have huge depth in this area with many 6ft 4 6ft 5 midfielders and half forwards who are excellent at 2 pointer. I would expect in next 2 years player like Adam O Neill would end up being 8th or 9th choice Meath midfielder. Adam is excellent young defender and will replace Seamus Lavin in defence but he is not midfielder. And it does look like Dublin have issues at midfield, and with no real midfield talent coming through. Meath v Dublin rivalry does hinge at midfield. In that once Mullins retired in 1985 McEntee Hayes came dominate. Than McDermott in 90s Dublin couldn't deal with him. Same way Meath couldn't deal with Brian Fenton in last 10 years. Fenton retires Meath beat Dublin. Its linked.
Regards Meath beating kerry and Dublin in same championship year that would be an incredible achievement. Very few counties have beaten Dublin and kerry in same year in championship. Galway, Mayo, Roscommon, Donegal,Derry, Down have never beaten Kerry and Dublin in same year in championship. As far as I can see Only 6 counties have beaten Dublin and kerry in championship in same year and they are Meath, Offaly, kildare, Cork, Tyrone and Armagh.
As far I can see only 4 teams in leinster in 140 years have beaten kerry and Dublin in same year. They are
Meath in 2001
Kildare in 1998
Offaly in 1982
Kildare in 1927
Only 4 teams outside leinster have beaten Dubs and kerry in same year they are
Tyrone 2008
Tyrone 2005
Armagh 2002
Cork 1989
Only 8 teams have beaten Kerry and Dublin in same years in championship in 140 years. 7 of the 8 teams won All Ireland the other kildare got to All Ireland final. If Meath were to beat kerry, they would be youngest team ever in history of gaa to beat kerry and Dublin in same year in championship. With 8 Meath players starting who will 20 21 22 23, average age of this Meath team is 23. A Meath team that wouldn't peak for another 3 or 4 years. If Meath were to beat kerry after beating Dublin it would be historic achievement.
You remind me of that lad Dustin Hoffman in rain man.
Quote from: Aristo 60 on June 13, 2025, 08:46:01 PMYou remind me of that lad Dustin Hoffman in rain man.
Not a very Aristocratic thing to say.
Quote from: FarneyMan on June 13, 2025, 12:41:33 PMBeen a while since i drove to the Athletic grounds for a match, coming from Middletown direction, where is best to park?
Are you still allowed to park on the Hard Shoulder on the main road at the edge of Armagh, before Fleetwise ?
Ignore time
Quote from: BillyFlynnfromTrim on June 13, 2025, 07:55:20 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 13, 2025, 02:14:06 PMQuote from: BillyFlynnfromTrim on June 13, 2025, 09:36:25 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 12, 2025, 01:49:01 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on June 12, 2025, 11:32:28 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 12, 2025, 10:02:18 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 12, 2025, 02:33:45 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 11, 2025, 08:28:23 AMKerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw
With both Cliffords, Geaney, DOC and Barry Dan out, that Meath prediction might be right and good value at 12/1
All injured? That could be interesting, not just for this weekend
A Kerryman I was talking to this morning said this week's Kerryman said DOC, Barry Dan, Geaney and Paudie won't play. He said the Kerryman (as a local paper) tends to be very reliable with injuries and stuff like that and that DC and O'Beaglaoich are also rumoured to be out. Said the talk is Barry Dan is gone for the year and it's very doubtful whether DOC will feature anytime soon. Could just be yerra but if all that lot are missing it could be a very different 26 named and could be a serious blow to Kerry's chances at Sam.
If all six are out Meath will fancy their chances of finishing top of the group, any team with injuries won't want three games in consecutive weeks which is what Kerry will likely get if they drop into 2nd place.
Possible starting 15 if all six are out?
Shane Ryan
Tom O'Sullivan Jason Foley Dylan Casey
Gavin White Mike Breen Paul Murphy
Joe O'Connor Mark O'Shea
Micheal Burns Sean O'Shea Graham O'Sullivan
Killian Spillane Dylan Geaney Tony Brosnan
Meath are missing players also. All the talk about kerry missing midfielders Meath are down 4 midfielders. Meath will be playing with their third or fourth choice midfield. Meath are missing Ronan Jones, Jack Flynn, Jack kinlough and Conor Gray missing all midfielders. Jones, Flynn,Kinlough are out for the rest of the year. Jack Flynn is Meath best midfielder, Ronan Jones is Meaths real leader around mid field area, only playet on team at his peak at 28. While kinlough who started ad third man midfielder in 8 games in a row the league and start of championship was excellent is also out. While Conor Gray who was outstanding in Tailtean cup winning campaign is coming back after three months in hospital pneumonia and injury after injury is only now able to take his place on bench. Meath will have three man midfield of veteran 34 year old Brian Menton who struggles to last 70 minutes and past his best. Adam O Neill will partner him who is defender basically a full back. Meath third man midfielder is 20 year old Conor Duke. No one mentioning Meath are missing best midfielders Flynn and Jones and another midfield starter on 40 kinlough. Not one mentioning in this media. Meath are down 4 midfielders and have to play defender at midfield.
Menton and Adam O'Neill was your midfield partnership against Dublin and absolutely dominated the Cluxton kick out. Jack Flynn, Jack kinlough and Conor Gray didn't play in that match and Ronan Jones was introduced for the final 15 minutes. Matthew Costello out the bigger taking point and blow to Meath's chances.
Costello is huge loss. Meaths best player and means Meath have just as many important players missing as kerry.
Still doesn't take away O Neill is defender and Meaths 5th or 6th choice midfielder, Menton is veteran who struggles to last 70 mins and Duke is 20 year old novice. Jack Flynn, Ronan Jones, Jack kinlough are guaranteed starters for Meath at midfield. Jones and Flynn are Meath best players in mid sector and in my view fully fit Conor Gray playing like he did before he got pneumonia is Meaths best all round midfielder. Meath get everyone fit, in coming years it will very strong area for Meath. Menton will retire but you have Jack Flynn 25, Ronan Jones 28, Jack Kinlough 20, Conor Duke 20, Conor Gray 21 all options in mid section. While Cian McBride and Daithi McGowan are midfield options on panel. Conor Nash whose Aussie rules contract is up at end 2026 says he want to play for Meath. He is hugely talented midfielder. Also Charlie Gallagher Meath minor and Michael Mcivor Meath u20 both 6ft 5 midfielders and exceptional at 2 pointers look like real potential future midfielders also. Throw in John Harkin, Cian Commins and brillant Rian Stafford from Meath U20s half forward line last year and this year teams. All 3 are 6ft 4 anf brillant at 2 pointers. Meath have had problems at midfield since 2010. But in the coming years Meath will have huge depth in this area with many 6ft 4 6ft 5 midfielders and half forwards who are excellent at 2 pointer. I would expect in next 2 years player like Adam O Neill would end up being 8th or 9th choice Meath midfielder. Adam is excellent young defender and will replace Seamus Lavin in defence but he is not midfielder. And it does look like Dublin have issues at midfield, and with no real midfield talent coming through. Meath v Dublin rivalry does hinge at midfield. In that once Mullins retired in 1985 McEntee Hayes came dominate. Than McDermott in 90s Dublin couldn't deal with him. Same way Meath couldn't deal with Brian Fenton in last 10 years. Fenton retires Meath beat Dublin. Its linked.
Regards Meath beating kerry and Dublin in same championship year that would be an incredible achievement. Very few counties have beaten Dublin and kerry in same year in championship. Galway, Mayo, Roscommon, Donegal,Derry, Down have never beaten Kerry and Dublin in same year in championship. As far as I can see Only 6 counties have beaten Dublin and kerry in championship in same year and they are Meath, Offaly, kildare, Cork, Tyrone and Armagh.
As far I can see only 4 teams in leinster in 140 years have beaten kerry and Dublin in same year. They are
Meath in 2001
Kildare in 1998
Offaly in 1982
Kildare in 1927
Only 4 teams outside leinster have beaten Dubs and kerry in same year they are
Tyrone 2008
Tyrone 2005
Armagh 2002
Cork 1989
Only 8 teams have beaten Kerry and Dublin in same years in championship in 140 years. 7 of the 8 teams won All Ireland the other kildare got to All Ireland final. If Meath were to beat kerry, they would be youngest team ever in history of gaa to beat kerry and Dublin in same year in championship. With 8 Meath players starting who will 20 21 22 23, average age of this Meath team is 23. A Meath team that wouldn't peak for another 3 or 4 years. If Meath were to beat kerry after beating Dublin it would be historic achievement.
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First of the do or die weekends (for some anyway).
7 places in the KO stages up for grabs, 11 teams in contention, could be a big casualty or 2.
Anyway it's up to Ros to prove they're entitled to a place in the last 12 with a 50/50 game v Cork today.
Whoever performs best on tge day will win this one.
Hopefully its our lads and also hope the hurley crowd will have vacated the stand so we can stay dry.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 12, 2025, 08:03:16 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 12, 2025, 01:49:01 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on June 12, 2025, 11:32:28 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 12, 2025, 10:02:18 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 12, 2025, 02:33:45 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 11, 2025, 08:28:23 AMKerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw
With both Cliffords, Geaney, DOC and Barry Dan out, that Meath prediction might be right and good value at 12/1
All injured? That could be interesting, not just for this weekend
A Kerryman I was talking to this morning said this week's Kerryman said DOC, Barry Dan, Geaney and Paudie won't play. He said the Kerryman (as a local paper) tends to be very reliable with injuries and stuff like that and that DC and O'Beaglaoich are also rumoured to be out. Said the talk is Barry Dan is gone for the year and it's very doubtful whether DOC will feature anytime soon. Could just be yerra but if all that lot are missing it could be a very different 26 named and could be a serious blow to Kerry's chances at Sam.
If all six are out Meath will fancy their chances of finishing top of the group, any team with injuries won't want three games in consecutive weeks which is what Kerry will likely get if they drop into 2nd place.
Possible starting 15 if all six are out?
Shane Ryan
Tom O'Sullivan Jason Foley Dylan Casey
Gavin White Mike Breen Paul Murphy
Joe O'Connor Mark O'Shea
Micheal Burns Sean O'Shea Graham O'Sullivan
Killian Spillane Dylan Geaney Tony Brosnan
The actual Kerry team. David Clifford named to start.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GtQ6KDQXEAAtSQB?format=jpg&name=large)
Sean O'Shea not even in the squad
Quote from: blanketattack on June 14, 2025, 02:31:11 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 12, 2025, 08:03:16 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 12, 2025, 01:49:01 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on June 12, 2025, 11:32:28 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 12, 2025, 10:02:18 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 12, 2025, 02:33:45 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 11, 2025, 08:28:23 AMKerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw
With both Cliffords, Geaney, DOC and Barry Dan out, that Meath prediction might be right and good value at 12/1
All injured? That could be interesting, not just for this weekend
A Kerryman I was talking to this morning said this week's Kerryman said DOC, Barry Dan, Geaney and Paudie won't play. He said the Kerryman (as a local paper) tends to be very reliable with injuries and stuff like that and that DC and O'Beaglaoich are also rumoured to be out. Said the talk is Barry Dan is gone for the year and it's very doubtful whether DOC will feature anytime soon. Could just be yerra but if all that lot are missing it could be a very different 26 named and could be a serious blow to Kerry's chances at Sam.
If all six are out Meath will fancy their chances of finishing top of the group, any team with injuries won't want three games in consecutive weeks which is what Kerry will likely get if they drop into 2nd place.
Possible starting 15 if all six are out?
Shane Ryan
Tom O'Sullivan Jason Foley Dylan Casey
Gavin White Mike Breen Paul Murphy
Joe O'Connor Mark O'Shea
Micheal Burns Sean O'Shea Graham O'Sullivan
Killian Spillane Dylan Geaney Tony Brosnan
The actual Kerry team. David Clifford named to start.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GtQ6KDQXEAAtSQB?format=jpg&name=large)
Sean O'Shea not even in the squad
Late withdrawal? as named to start there.
Half time scores
Cork 0-10 Roscommon 0-6.
Kerry 0-8 Meath 0-14
Be great to see Derry win today.
They'll be starting with a 3-6 point handicap as usual though due to the obligatory goal keeping errors they have in each game.
Did David Clifford start?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 14, 2025, 04:59:34 PMBe great to see Derry win today.
They'll be starting with a 3-6 point handicap as usual though due to the obligatory goal keeping errors they have in each game.
Why? :D
Holy Moly
Kerry ain't winning Sam this year
Quote from: joemamas on June 13, 2025, 11:52:06 PMQuote from: BillyFlynnfromTrim on June 13, 2025, 07:55:20 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 13, 2025, 02:14:06 PMQuote from: BillyFlynnfromTrim on June 13, 2025, 09:36:25 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 12, 2025, 01:49:01 PMQuote from: twohands!!! on June 12, 2025, 11:32:28 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 12, 2025, 10:02:18 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 12, 2025, 02:33:45 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 11, 2025, 08:28:23 AMKerry v Meath - Meath by 3
Roscommon v Cork - cork by 3
Dublin v Derry - Dublin by 6
Galway v Armagh - Galway by 2
Louth v Clare - clare by 4
Monaghan v Down - Monaghan by 6
Donegal v Mayo - mayo by 4
Tyrone v Cavan - draw
With both Cliffords, Geaney, DOC and Barry Dan out, that Meath prediction might be right and good value at 12/1
All injured? That could be interesting, not just for this weekend
A Kerryman I was talking to this morning said this week's Kerryman said DOC, Barry Dan, Geaney and Paudie won't play. He said the Kerryman (as a local paper) tends to be very reliable with injuries and stuff like that and that DC and O'Beaglaoich are also rumoured to be out. Said the talk is Barry Dan is gone for the year and it's very doubtful whether DOC will feature anytime soon. Could just be yerra but if all that lot are missing it could be a very different 26 named and could be a serious blow to Kerry's chances at Sam.
If all six are out Meath will fancy their chances of finishing top of the group, any team with injuries won't want three games in consecutive weeks which is what Kerry will likely get if they drop into 2nd place.
Possible starting 15 if all six are out?
Shane Ryan
Tom O'Sullivan Jason Foley Dylan Casey
Gavin White Mike Breen Paul Murphy
Joe O'Connor Mark O'Shea
Micheal Burns Sean O'Shea Graham O'Sullivan
Killian Spillane Dylan Geaney Tony Brosnan
Meath are missing players also. All the talk about kerry missing midfielders Meath are down 4 midfielders. Meath will be playing with their third or fourth choice midfield. Meath are missing Ronan Jones, Jack Flynn, Jack kinlough and Conor Gray missing all midfielders. Jones, Flynn,Kinlough are out for the rest of the year. Jack Flynn is Meath best midfielder, Ronan Jones is Meaths real leader around mid field area, only playet on team at his peak at 28. While kinlough who started ad third man midfielder in 8 games in a row the league and start of championship was excellent is also out. While Conor Gray who was outstanding in Tailtean cup winning campaign is coming back after three months in hospital pneumonia and injury after injury is only now able to take his place on bench. Meath will have three man midfield of veteran 34 year old Brian Menton who struggles to last 70 minutes and past his best. Adam O Neill will partner him who is defender basically a full back. Meath third man midfielder is 20 year old Conor Duke. No one mentioning Meath are missing best midfielders Flynn and Jones and another midfield starter on 40 kinlough. Not one mentioning in this media. Meath are down 4 midfielders and have to play defender at midfield.
Menton and Adam O'Neill was your midfield partnership against Dublin and absolutely dominated the Cluxton kick out. Jack Flynn, Jack kinlough and Conor Gray didn't play in that match and Ronan Jones was introduced for the final 15 minutes. Matthew Costello out the bigger taking point and blow to Meath's chances.
Costello is huge loss. Meaths best player and means Meath have just as many important players missing as kerry.
Still doesn't take away O Neill is defender and Meaths 5th or 6th choice midfielder, Menton is veteran who struggles to last 70 mins and Duke is 20 year old novice. Jack Flynn, Ronan Jones, Jack kinlough are guaranteed starters for Meath at midfield. Jones and Flynn are Meath best players in mid sector and in my view fully fit Conor Gray playing like he did before he got pneumonia is Meaths best all round midfielder. Meath get everyone fit, in coming years it will very strong area for Meath. Menton will retire but you have Jack Flynn 25, Ronan Jones 28, Jack Kinlough 20, Conor Duke 20, Conor Gray 21 all options in mid section. While Cian McBride and Daithi McGowan are midfield options on panel. Conor Nash whose Aussie rules contract is up at end 2026 says he want to play for Meath. He is hugely talented midfielder. Also Charlie Gallagher Meath minor and Michael Mcivor Meath u20 both 6ft 5 midfielders and exceptional at 2 pointers look like real potential future midfielders also. Throw in John Harkin, Cian Commins and brillant Rian Stafford from Meath U20s half forward line last year and this year teams. All 3 are 6ft 4 anf brillant at 2 pointers. Meath have had problems at midfield since 2010. But in the coming years Meath will have huge depth in this area with many 6ft 4 6ft 5 midfielders and half forwards who are excellent at 2 pointer. I would expect in next 2 years player like Adam O Neill would end up being 8th or 9th choice Meath midfielder. Adam is excellent young defender and will replace Seamus Lavin in defence but he is not midfielder. And it does look like Dublin have issues at midfield, and with no real midfield talent coming through. Meath v Dublin rivalry does hinge at midfield. In that once Mullins retired in 1985 McEntee Hayes came dominate. Than McDermott in 90s Dublin couldn't deal with him. Same way Meath couldn't deal with Brian Fenton in last 10 years. Fenton retires Meath beat Dublin. Its linked.
Regards Meath beating kerry and Dublin in same championship year that would be an incredible achievement. Very few counties have beaten Dublin and kerry in same year in championship. Galway, Mayo, Roscommon, Donegal,Derry, Down have never beaten Kerry and Dublin in same year in championship. As far as I can see Only 6 counties have beaten Dublin and kerry in championship in same year and they are Meath, Offaly, kildare, Cork, Tyrone and Armagh.
As far I can see only 4 teams in leinster in 140 years have beaten kerry and Dublin in same year. They are
Meath in 2001
Kildare in 1998
Offaly in 1982
Kildare in 1927
Only 4 teams outside leinster have beaten Dubs and kerry in same year they are
Tyrone 2008
Tyrone 2005
Armagh 2002
Cork 1989
Only 8 teams have beaten Kerry and Dublin in same years in championship in 140 years. 7 of the 8 teams won All Ireland the other kildare got to All Ireland final. If Meath were to beat kerry, they would be youngest team ever in history of gaa to beat kerry and Dublin in same year in championship. With 8 Meath players starting who will 20 21 22 23, average age of this Meath team is 23. A Meath team that wouldn't peak for another 3 or 4 years. If Meath were to beat kerry after beating Dublin it would be historic achievement.
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Meath 1-21
Kerry 0-14
Unreal
Quote from: thejuice on June 14, 2025, 05:36:24 PMMeath 1-21
Kerry 0-14
Unreal
I'll take everything I said about Meath back if they pull this off
What a championship this year is turning into
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 14, 2025, 05:39:08 PMQuote from: thejuice on June 14, 2025, 05:36:24 PMMeath 1-21
Kerry 0-14
Unreal
I'll take everything I said about Meath back if they pull this off
I didn't give us a chance with all the injuries.
68 mins
Meath 01:22
Kerry 00:16
Fair play Meath. Wasn't sure they'd even get through the group after the disappointment of the Leinster final, could never have dreamed of this outcome. Absolutely huge to get through to a quarter and they'll be feeling confident there after this
Blows the whole thing wide open. Everyone had assumed Kerry would top the group before a ball was kicked, now there's a good chance they'll have a tough preliminary quarter final, could well get knocked out in that
Some result for Meath with the results against Dublin and Kerry you wonder how didn't win Leinster.
Cork 0-19 0-17 Roscommon
Rossies couldn't get the 2 pointer they needed at the end
Quote from: statto on June 14, 2025, 05:52:44 PMSome result for Meath with the results against Dublin and Kerry you wonder how didn't win Leinster.
Are they in the all ireland conversation now?
Nope!
Quote from: Schkite on June 14, 2025, 05:53:36 PMCork 0-19 0-17 Roscommon
Rossies couldn't get the 2 pointer they needed at the end
Missed about three or four at the end and a big goal chance also.
Well done Meath some win and into the Quarter final.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 14, 2025, 05:55:47 PMQuote from: statto on June 14, 2025, 05:52:44 PMSome result for Meath with the results against Dublin and Kerry you wonder how didn't win Leinster.
Are they in the all ireland conversation now?
Absolutely. They are quite proficient with the 2 pointers and a lot of teams are not adapting to the rule defensively.
Quote from: thejuice on June 14, 2025, 05:47:17 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 14, 2025, 05:39:08 PMQuote from: thejuice on June 14, 2025, 05:36:24 PMMeath 1-21
Kerry 0-14
Unreal
I'll take everything I said about Meath back if they pull this off
I didn't give us a chance with all the injuries.
Very Impressive
Meath Dublin Q/Final ?
Quote from: Schkite on June 14, 2025, 05:53:36 PMCork 0-19 0-17 Roscommon
Rossies couldn't get the 2 pointer they needed at the end
TBH they never looked like getting it, unfortunately they kicked a few poor two point efforts wide in last 5-10 mins.
would have liked to see them progress.
Fantastic. Unbelievable. And before anyone goes on about Kerry players missing.
4 certain starters for Meath absent. Jones , Flynn, Costello and Conlon. So take that. Hon the royal. By Jesus I'm thrilled. Into quarters. And who knows. The royals are back.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 14, 2025, 05:55:47 PMQuote from: statto on June 14, 2025, 05:52:44 PMSome result for Meath with the results against Dublin and Kerry you wonder how didn't win Leinster.
Are they in the all ireland conversation now?
They've beaten Dublin and Kerry in the same year so they have to be.
What a mad result, Kerry will get it tight now with these injuries, imagine they get Donegal or Galway next week.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 14, 2025, 05:55:47 PMQuote from: statto on June 14, 2025, 05:52:44 PMSome result for Meath with the results against Dublin and Kerry you wonder how didn't win Leinster.
Are they in the all ireland conversation now?
Definitely. But I think it will be another year before we do that. But certainly the coming team in country and by far the most improved. In all honesty who would they fear playing now ?
Quote from: thejuice on June 14, 2025, 05:47:17 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 14, 2025, 05:39:08 PMQuote from: thejuice on June 14, 2025, 05:36:24 PMMeath 1-21
Kerry 0-14
Unreal
I'll take everything I said about Meath back if they pull this off
I didn't give us a chance with all the injuries.
I thought it would be very difficult to win with such key players out, Costello best player this year, Conlon second best player this year, jones most influential player in Meath team for past number of years , Flynn our first choice midfielder.
I don't care what anybody says the Meath absentees were much worse than the Kerry ones. And yet , and yet. What a difference a year makes and a quality manager.
Quote from: joemamas on June 14, 2025, 05:59:14 PMQuote from: thejuice on June 14, 2025, 05:47:17 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 14, 2025, 05:39:08 PMQuote from: thejuice on June 14, 2025, 05:36:24 PMMeath 1-21
Kerry 0-14
Unreal
I'll take everything I said about Meath back if they pull this off
I didn't give us a chance with all the injuries.
Very Impressive
Meath Dublin Q/Final ?
What a year it's been.
We lost to Dublin and Kerry by 16 points last season. Going backwards under the last management.
Unreal.
Quote from: thejuice on June 14, 2025, 06:20:30 PMQuote from: joemamas on June 14, 2025, 05:59:14 PMQuote from: thejuice on June 14, 2025, 05:47:17 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 14, 2025, 05:39:08 PMQuote from: thejuice on June 14, 2025, 05:36:24 PMMeath 1-21
Kerry 0-14
Unreal
I'll take everything I said about Meath back if they pull this off
I didn't give us a chance with all the injuries.
Very Impressive
Meath Dublin Q/Final ?
What a year it's been.
We lost to Dublin and Kerry by 16 points last season. Going backwards under the last management.
Unreal.
Absolutely. Really we should have made strides last year. Colm was a huge hindrance and unable for the job. Not taking away from his brilliance as a player. But he just wasn't up to managing an inter county team. Where as Robbie is.
Fair play to Meath but their recent results possibly as much a reflection on Dublin and Kerry in terms where they are at these days. That being said this can only be good for the championship overall.
Different teams this week!
Quote from: statto on June 14, 2025, 05:52:44 PMSome result for Meath with the results against Dublin and Kerry you wonder how didn't win Leinster.
3 goals 1 brilliantly taken but should never have had the space , 1 a penalty that other refs might not have given and another that was just extremely soft. Add to that a two pointer for a Louth player falling. and a little bit of inexperience. Don't think many supporters left croke park that worried. We knew we were the better team but circumstances went against us. On our day under Robbie actually think we could beat anyone
Dunne Royal been blowing about an easy Meath win v Kerry this past 2 weeks.
Let's put some respect on his name.
Armagh well ontop however galway should have had a further 2 penalties.
Wtf happened there??
Dubs lying down like it's an U14 game!
Galway are a shambles.
Armagh's football IQ is about 20 points higher.
Galway have turned into complete bottle merchants
Galway will be out this evening if something drastic doesn't happen
Armagh could win this all Ireland at a canter. Superb team.
Quote from: Schkite on June 14, 2025, 07:07:28 PMGalway will be out this evening if something drastic doesn't happen
Agreed. However dont think i have seen one player give away 2 penalties before and remain on the pitch.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 14, 2025, 07:04:00 PMGalway are a shambles.
Armagh's football IQ is about 20 points higher.
We're gone to the dogs this year.
You'd have to worry for us going forward after this year as there isn't a huge amount of talent coming up.
Referee making some bizarre decisions in this Derry game!
Quote from: screenexile on June 14, 2025, 07:11:13 PMReferee making some bizarre decisions in this Derry game!
McFauls reputation and general conduct in the game probably did him no favours there.
As a Derry man, I think the ref has been quite harsh on Dublin a few times, but we will take them all day
Quote from: clarshack on June 14, 2025, 07:06:35 PMGalway have turned into complete bottle merchants
It's not bottling. It's tactics / lack thereof. They (same as in AI final last year) seemingly have no concept how to attack at pace. They go around in circles and continually end up having to break down 2 banks of 5. Hence their only moments of note in the half came from that "back door cut" pass Fitzmaurice likes to talk about. That's the pass that you only take on when shite ponderous football has removed all the simple options.
The West have become the greatest shower of bottlers... dreadful.
That was bizarre too, is the ball supposed to be moved 50m or just straight to the edge of the D??
Great performance from Derry after a worrying start but means nothing if we don't back it up 2nd half.
What combination puts Galway out?
Derry hanging in; 2 pters being crucial, despite Dubs starting like a train
Quote from: Baling Twine on June 14, 2025, 07:14:27 PMWhat combination puts Galway out?
If derry & Galway get beat, it's down to
Score difference
Surely the Galway players have to look at themselves at half time here.
Some amount of playacting going on in this Dublin game, looking frees all the time, and Derry losing too many balls in the tackle. We getting murdered on break ball in midfield, our Keeper can only go long and everybody knows what side he's kicking 5/6 secs b4 he kicks it.
Up to Mayo tomorrow to redeem the Wesht it seems, in a game few are backing them in
Yet would you be shocked if they did it...
Not sure how Derry are level. We're getting destroyed on the kick outs. Need to start to get a grip there or Dublin will pull away
Quote from: harryR on June 14, 2025, 07:13:22 PMAs a Derry man, I think the ref has been quite harsh on Dublin a few times, but we will take them all day
Loughlin got a pretty handy one seemed to lose control of ball. Glad Derry having a real cut of it should be good second half.
Does the keeper no longer have to stay on line for penalties?
Ethan Rafferty's bangers have gone?
Ah lads how was that not a free??
Quality of GAA+ stream is f**king shite... Glad I'm not paying for it.
Well now
Derry needs Rogers out the pitch. They can't win a kickout
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 14, 2025, 07:45:41 PMDerry needs Rogers out the pitch. They can't win a kickout
Exactly
This Armagh Galway match has unexpectedly turned into a humdinger.
Neither team can get a grip at midfield and it's become a shootout.
Fair play to Galway's big guns. They've arrived en masse this half.
What was Walsh and galway trying there lol?
Completely idiotic by Walsh, this isn't the game to try something smart
Quote from: Schkite on June 14, 2025, 07:54:57 PMCompletely idiotic by Walsh, this isn't the game to try something smart
Whatd he do? Watching Derry wither here..
First time Armagh lost in normal time since 2022 is it? Not that it matteed today, but that's mad all the same
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 14, 2025, 08:07:11 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 14, 2025, 07:54:57 PMCompletely idiotic by Walsh, this isn't the game to try something smart
Whatd he do? Watching Derry wither here..
Had a free but kicked it backwards to an Armagh player and they got a point on the counter. In fairness he bounced back well and had some big scores in the end
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 14, 2025, 08:07:11 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 14, 2025, 07:54:57 PMCompletely idiotic by Walsh, this isn't the game to try something smart
Whatd he do? Watching Derry wither here..
He'd a free just outside the arc. All set to kick it off the ground left footed. Then he passed it with his right instead, backwards along the ground to an Armagh man who set up a score on the counterattack.
That said, apart from that bizarre moment he had a perfect second half. Was nearly unplayable.
Then at the
Cue Brolly whingefest
Hard to argue with the effort of the lads they put in a serious shift just cleaned out in midfield both on our own ball and Dublin's.
Con starting took away Rogers as a threat going forward as well which told.
POB is a serious midfielder for winning ball, he's no Fenton but won't be too many lads will get the better of him!
POB can fetch ball and nothing else.
Michael Dara Macauley had an incredible career despite the notable handicap of not being able to play football. POB isn't a patch on him.
Derry finally starting to find a bit of form just too late. A load of those boys are in need of a serious break having been flogged for 2 or 3 years. They'll be easy too good for D2 next year and can hopefully stay in and around the top table instead of falling away.
Only Down or Monaghan can finish on 6 points now across the 4 groups...but we'll take the draw tomorrow if we must 8)
Got murdered all game on kickouts, think we played 1 short, 2 at the most short. Every other one telegraphed to midfield, where our lads couldn't seem to read a breakball. Dubs played all ranges of kicks on their kickouts, but the Derry players did not go with the runs, making it easy.Derry panicked with rash shots at goals and 2pters where a point each time would closed the gap. Murray brought on too late. A couple of the starters are more suited coming off the bench.
Serious shift from Derry today. The Dubs deserved the win though. Their intensity around the middle was hard to live with. I think we've finally laid the ghosts of this past 18 months to rest. We need a 3, as McEvoy is really a 6. Need Rodgers driving into the last third. Div 2 gives us a chance to bed in a few of the young boys. Roll on next season.
Tally is a coach not a manager which is very evident
Walsh such a strange player. Blows hot and cold within 70 minutes sometimes. Can pull off amazing stuff but then does utterly brain dead stuff - weird, unreliable player. Galway needed to win anyway and so they did. Nothing at stake for Armagh, however two goals conceded which could have been 4 if the penalties had been converted can't sit well with them. Still think something isn't quite right with Galway either - would be interesting if they drew Kerry. Kerry are in big trouble with injuries.
Derry are showing signs of improvement but got cleaned at midfield for nearly the entire game against Dublin. A stint in Div 2 won't do them any harm. Dublin will be lucky to make a semi imo.
Huge for Donegal and Mayo to win tomorrow, Mayo lose and they're gone completely. Donegal lose and they are more than likely away to Kerry or Dublin as they'll be unable to play Down or monaghan having already played them.
The draw really does suit both teams tomorrow, can see a huge drop off in intensity if it's close and both teams content with getting through. That leaves donegal in second with a significantly better score difference assuming Tyrone do the business v Cavan.
There was a lot of despondency in Tyrone after our loss v Mayo. However, results since really have placed a different light on it. Every division one team have now been beat at least once.
Fantastic entertainment today and real shame this format is being replaced. Would have made sense to hold off on making the decision til this year's championship had wrapped up.
The Galway players must have been reading this thread at h/t lol.
Quote from: clarshack on June 14, 2025, 10:17:26 PMThe Galway players must have been reading this thread at h/t lol.
In the end they would have went through in same place even if Armagh beat them with a better scoring difference v Derry.
Always good to see Kerry beat but they'll probably benefit from a preliminary QF.
Was watching Armagh (& Derry game) on holidays half scooped, but for the team out it was impressive enough, with the right amount of scope to improve, could end up with Kerry in the QF now unfortunately.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 14, 2025, 10:21:26 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 14, 2025, 10:17:26 PMThe Galway players must have been reading this thread at h/t lol.
In the end they would have went through in same place even if Armagh beat them with a better scoring difference v Derry.
Not if they lost by more than 5, as they were doing at ht
Quote from: ElJeffe on June 14, 2025, 08:37:40 PMTally is a coach not a manager which is very evident
Tally is the classic coach and not a manager for a few reasons - He mainly establishes his reputation for bringing everyone behind the ball and stifling the opposition, with that set of rules it made sense but it was not sophisticated or innovative - turn to this year he was the most vocal about the 10v11 or 11v12; why, because it challenged him to think, and he couldn't think to change the habits of 20+ years and yapped endlessly, and my controversial view would be that Rory Gallagher would have Derry singing like Armagh, brilliant attacking coach, but unfortunately (unless Banty is funding) shite individual
Quote from: Scoring Zone on June 14, 2025, 10:58:43 PMQuote from: ElJeffe on June 14, 2025, 08:37:40 PMTally is a coach not a manager which is very evident
Tally is the classic coach and not a manager for a few reasons - He mainly establishes his reputation for bringing everyone behind the ball and stifling the opposition, with that set of rules it made sense but it was not sophisticated or innovative - turn to this year he was the most vocal about the 10v11 or 11v12; why, because it challenged him to think, and he couldn't think to change the habits of 20+ years and yapped endlessly, and my controversial view would be that Rory Gallagher would have Derry singing like Armagh, brilliant attacking coach, but unfortunately (unless Banty is funding) shite individual
Nonsense... We don't have the players to be a brilliant attacking team Gallagher or not.
Also Gallagher is never going to be there so what's the point t in even talking about it?
Quote from: Scoring Zone on June 14, 2025, 10:58:43 PMQuote from: ElJeffe on June 14, 2025, 08:37:40 PMTally is a coach not a manager which is very evident
Tally is the classic coach and not a manager for a few reasons - He mainly establishes his reputation for bringing everyone behind the ball and stifling the opposition, with that set of rules it made sense but it was not sophisticated or innovative - turn to this year he was the most vocal about the 10v11 or 11v12; why, because it challenged him to think, and he couldn't think to change the habits of 20+ years and yapped endlessly, and my controversial view would be that Rory Gallagher would have Derry singing like Armagh, brilliant attacking coach, but unfortunately (unless Banty is funding) shite individual
The furthest RG took us in a championship was a semi final in which we scored 1-6, a late goal from Lachlan Murray flattering us. His next trip to Croke Park ended in a heavy defeat to Dublin where we conceded 4 goals.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 14, 2025, 05:40:14 PMWhat a championship this year is turning into
Even though we're out, you're absolutely right. Compare what is happening now to the 7 in a row years... Exceptional stuff 👌
Quote from: ElJeffe on June 14, 2025, 08:37:40 PMTally is a coach not a manager which is very evident
Explain...
Quote from: ElJeffe on June 14, 2025, 08:37:40 PMTally is a coach not a manager which is very evident
I don't know about this.
Part of being a great manager is being in the right place at the right time.
Gallagher took Derry from underachieving to marginally overachieving. But I don't believe he'd have won an AI there with this generation of footballers. They don't have the firepower to see off 3 big teams in a row, regardless of coaching.
And I think the players know this too. Getting an Ulster and and NFL were within grasp. The next step is too high for now.
If Derry were to give Tally the same time that Armagh have allowed McGeeney - the time to build a squad, a system, an ethos - all while waiting for 3-4 scoring forwards to integrate. I think he'd deliver it.
But who has that patience? Probably not even Tally to be fair.
Hes nowhere near it, Down men could tell u that.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2025, 01:38:54 AMHes nowhere near it, Down men could tell u that.
Think it's more likely that down just where nowhere near it. Tally won Irelands with both Tyrone and Kerry. Although I do agree with many views that he is more of a coach than a manager.
Not to take too much away from our lads performance but Kerry gave us way too much space and time on the ball. Maybe they didn't respect us or perhaps Kerry have no depth to their squad.
The fact is we were the ones who went out and performed, we have depth to our squad now too and lads who can stand up when others are out.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 15, 2025, 12:51:00 AMQuote from: ElJeffe on June 14, 2025, 08:37:40 PMTally is a coach not a manager which is very evident
Explain...
He's been a coach his entire life. Tyrone, Galway, Kerry ... never been the manager which is a different skill set. Everyone watching the match could see there was zero KO plan
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2025, 01:38:54 AMHes nowhere near it, Down men could tell u that.
Hurler on the ditch 2025 goes too...a melter
Quote from: ElJeffe on June 15, 2025, 09:20:37 AMQuote from: JoG2 on June 15, 2025, 12:51:00 AMQuote from: ElJeffe on June 14, 2025, 08:37:40 PMTally is a coach not a manager which is very evident
Explain...
He's been a coach his entire life. Tyrone, Galway, Kerry ... never been the manager which is a different skill set. Everyone watching the match could see there was zero KO plan
He did have a kickout plan for yesterday, Lynch breaking down at the end of training on Thursday out pay to that, we didn't have a kickout plan b, well we did, just couldn't execute it unfortunately
Keeper a problem position for Derry for a few years now. Not pinpointing McKinless at all but if they've a better option than him or Lynch, they very probably get out of that group
I think for a lot of teams, pre this year, kick outs were handy.
Now you have to win your own ball - Brian Cody's great philosophy was he wanted players to be good at winning their own ball. Give them the ball high or low but they had to win it regardless.
Kick outs in football now is like this. Kick it out and win it. Most teams before got the majority of kick outs away and keep possession. Changed days now.
A keeper can't be blamed all the time. If no runs are being made, a keeper's only option is to put it out high and long. Then win your own ball basically.
Quote from: gallsman on June 15, 2025, 09:30:42 AMKeeper a problem position for Derry for a few years now. Not pinpointing McKinless at all but if they've a better option than him or Lynch, they very probably get out of that group
Lynch is a top keeper. Much derided last year because of tactics that left him exposed when other players lost the ball. He's a brilliant shot stopper, good under the high ball and good off the tee. It's just unfortunate he's been injured for the whole season nearly.
Dublin vs Derry was a very good game of football but being at it I felt Dublin made hard work of the win.
With the pace & power Dublin had and the introduction of the new rules I was surprised they never let the ball into Con O'Callaghan more when he was one on one.
The main problem with Derry's kickout was Glass had a very poor game and Derry got cleaned out of it around the middle.
Ciaran Kilkenny was superb and his strength on the ball was impressive as well as his ability to keep dictating play.
Brendan Cawley had a really really poor game. Ciaran McFaul should have had the most obvious black card you will see and a few times he moved the ball up for very little. Saying that he was poor for both teams.
Derry just ran out of legs and are so predictable in how they play, wsiting on McGuigan to become free to take on a shot. Outside of Ethan Doherty they had no other forward threat.
Great to see The Dubs get brought out of Croke Park and forced to adapt to venues like other teams.
Glass played ok i thought, he giving away 4inches on u man and wasn't getting a run at the kickouts. It's Derry one Dimensional kickouts cost us, so easy to read, we got beat repeatedly on break ball. Higgins should swapped with him early on as he's a physically bigger man.
Marty you not see the total variation on Dublin kickouts, There's alot more to kicking it long and win u own ball, and it's been biting Derry in the balls all year, from Celtic park to Ballyshannon in games. In saying that after Lynch, the current keeper probably be 5/6th of the current keepers in Derry.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2025, 01:00:09 PMMarty you not see the total variation on Dublin kickouts, There's alot more to kicking it long and win u own ball, and it's been biting Derry in the balls all year, from Celtic park to Ballyshannon in games. In saying that after Lynch, the current keeper probably be 5/6th of the current keepers in Derry.
What is the story with Young Scullion from screen?
How can you say Glass had a poor game. He wasn't even marking o'confaig Byrne for the majority of the game. I thought he played well.
Lol wtf. Monaghan player knocks it out of the man's hands and it's brought forward for a 2 pointer. Bit of a joke
Two bounces by Down player. Ball slapped out of his hands.
Down man didn't even have time to see which way the free was going . Yet penalised for not handing the ball back . Monaghan get it moved up for 2 points
That rule is absolute bollix
Quote from: thebigfullforward on June 15, 2025, 02:14:28 PMLol wtf. Monaghan player knocks it out of the man's hands and it's brought forward for a 2 pointer. Bit of a joke
He was protesting the free and didn't hand the ball back.
Correct call from the ref
Quote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2025, 02:16:56 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on June 15, 2025, 02:14:28 PMLol wtf. Monaghan player knocks it out of the man's hands and it's brought forward for a 2 pointer. Bit of a joke
He was protesting the free and didn't hand the ball back.
Correct call from the ref
TBF he didn't even get time to process which way the free was going. Very harsh decision , especially as it ended in 2 points.
Goal for Down level game after 21 minutes 1-7 to 0-10
Horrendous bobble there. Very unlucky for Monaghan.
Congress yesterday have voted to change that rule from prelims QF onwards. If there is interference with the mark in MF it will now be a free from that position. About time too.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2025, 02:16:56 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on June 15, 2025, 02:14:28 PMLol wtf. Monaghan player knocks it out of the man's hands and it's brought forward for a 2 pointer. Bit of a joke
He was protesting the free and didn't hand the ball back.
Correct call from the ref
By the time he looked up to see what way the free was awarded the ball was slapped out of his hands. Should players hand the ball straight to the opposition and wait to see what way the free goes and if they do get awarded the free then they'd have a case of the ball being brought up 50m?
Monaghan goal level game 1-12 each 29 minutes played.
Half time Down 1-15 Monaghan 1-14. Louth 2-8 Clare 0-6
That's an exceptional game lads.
Down very impressive must be one of the most athletic teams in the country.
Brilliant game of football. Monaghan's finishing was exceptional and Down just decided to go toe to toe.
Odhran Murdock is Down's first proper All Star / best team in Ireland calibre player since Marty Clarke.
To my surprise Down better team so far; few goal chances missed. Great game, all to play for
Quote from: thebigfullforward on June 15, 2025, 02:31:44 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2025, 02:16:56 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on June 15, 2025, 02:14:28 PMLol wtf. Monaghan player knocks it out of the man's hands and it's brought forward for a 2 pointer. Bit of a joke
He was protesting the free and didn't hand the ball back.
Correct call from the ref
By the time he looked up to see what way the free was awarded the ball was slapped out of his hands. Should players hand the ball straight to the opposition and wait to see what way the free goes and if they do get awarded the free then they'd have a case of the ball being brought up 50m?
That 50m penalty was extremely harsh, Coldrick is fanatical about applying the 50m rule with minimal and even no offence being committed.
Breathless 1st half there. Down very threatening every time they go direct, Monaghan need to tighten up in defence. Badly needed that 2 pointer from Beggan at the end, shooting was getting poor just before that. Likes of O'Hanlon and Mooney being very tightly watched, will need big impact off the bench from the likes of McCarron and Garland. Mohan a very noticeable loss around the middle
Cracking game again!
Level game 2-18 to 1-21. 53 mins played.
Some clearance off the line to prevent a 3rd Monaghan goal there. Down lead by two points with 15 minutes to play.
Any defenders playing here??
Watching watching all these games, am starting to wonder if there's a proper man marking defender in the country!
Quote from: screenexile on June 15, 2025, 03:20:58 PMAny defenders playing here??
Like a lot of the Div 2 games this year all attack little interest in defending. Whoever finishes 2nd in the table after this game are going to be wrecked for next weekend.
Gonna have to change that breach rule to just a free on the halfway line, it's a ridiculous punishment!
This game has turned to muck at the end here. For such a great game it's really been spoiled by the last 10.
A costly breach for Down there. Monaghan score the two pointer free to now lead by 4 points with 5 minutes to play.
Jesus Christ, of all the times for Down to breach that rule. Massively costly, can't believe teams are still making that mistake at this stage
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2025, 03:31:58 PMGonna have to change that breach rule to just a free on the halfway line, it's a ridiculous punishment!
It's the entire key to the new rules which is producing much better football to watch.
It's also undebatable. If you can't count to 3 then don't blame anyone else let alone the rules
Why should such a infraction have a heavy punishment. Look how hard it is to work a goal for a measly 3pts, then u get that for 2, ridiculous! Teams tend to be chasing bck in a line, haven't time to stop and look round them.
Coldrick's unwillingness to show cards for off the ball tackles is a regressive step for football.
Hard football good. Holding and dragging men off the ball. No f**k that.
Downs energy has gone here. McCarron has been the difference in this half.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2025, 03:35:08 PMWhy should such a infraction have a heavy punishment. Look how hard it is to work a goal for a measly 3pts, then u get that for 2, ridiculous! Teams tend to be chasing bck in a line, haven't time to stop and look round them.
Because all a man has to do is count to 3.
Ffs it cannot be simpler to understand.
Football is better for the rule. Infinitely better
Ole Jurgen would been proud of that one!
Monaghan top the table and are into the All Ireland Quarter final after some battle. Full time Monaghan 2-27 Down 1-26.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2025, 03:31:58 PMGonna have to change that breach rule to just a free on the halfway line, it's a ridiculous punishment!
Yeah. Agree with that
Quote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2025, 03:35:05 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2025, 03:31:58 PMGonna have to change that breach rule to just a free on the halfway line, it's a ridiculous punishment!
It's the entire key to the new rules which is producing much better football to watch.
It's also undebatable. If you can't count to 3 then don't blame anyone else let alone the rules
There's a reason no other sport has this rule. In the heat of the moment when you're chasing a win you aren't going to be thinking straight. If there's a single other sport that's stupid enough to have a rule like that I'd love to hear it. Stopping players from getting forward is such a backwards idea
Quote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2025, 03:35:05 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2025, 03:31:58 PMGonna have to change that breach rule to just a free on the halfway line, it's a ridiculous punishment!
It's the entire key to the new rules which is producing much better football to watch.
It's also undebatable. If you can't count to 3 then don't blame anyone else let alone the rules
The "read the rule book" excuse is such a load of horseshit. If it was that easy not to make a honest mistake we should send off every player who over-carry's, touches the ball on the ground or double bounces. Then guys like yourself could say "sure it's easy to count to 2".
Punishments have to be commensurate with the rule breach, we've lost complete sight of that in football.
That Monaghan Down game would have been a slugfest last season. Jim Gavin had saved this sport!
Some game, I wouldn't have thought on the 50th min that Monagahn would win it as easily as they did (relatively speaking) in the end. Down visibly tired in the last 1/4 and things went more right for Monaghan.
Quote from: trileacman on June 15, 2025, 03:41:17 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2025, 03:35:05 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2025, 03:31:58 PMGonna have to change that breach rule to just a free on the halfway line, it's a ridiculous punishment!
It's the entire key to the new rules which is producing much better football to watch.
It's also undebatable. If you can't count to 3 then don't blame anyone else let alone the rules
The "read the rule book" excuse is such a load of horseshit. If it was that easy not to make a honest mistake we should send off every player who over-carry's, touches the ball on the ground or double bounces. Then guys like yourself could say "sure it's easy to count to 2".
Punishments have to be commensurate with the rule breach, we've lost complete sight of that in football.
No. What we have is a really enjoyable sport to watch, and one of the least ambiguous rules we now have that helped make this happen is you have to keep 3 up. It's the cornerstone of the changes. f**k around with that and you end up quickly back where we were.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2025, 03:30:06 PMWatching watching all these games, am starting to wonder if there's a proper man marking defender in the country!
Been trained and Zone marked out of them!
Result Louth 2-17 Clare 2-14. Louth finish 3rd Clare out.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2025, 03:45:36 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 15, 2025, 03:41:17 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2025, 03:35:05 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2025, 03:31:58 PMGonna have to change that breach rule to just a free on the halfway line, it's a ridiculous punishment!
It's the entire key to the new rules which is producing much better football to watch.
It's also undebatable. If you can't count to 3 then don't blame anyone else let alone the rules
The "read the rule book" excuse is such a load of horseshit. If it was that easy not to make a honest mistake we should send off every player who over-carry's, touches the ball on the ground or double bounces. Then guys like yourself could say "sure it's easy to count to 2".
Punishments have to be commensurate with the rule breach, we've lost complete sight of that in football.
No. What we have is a really enjoyable sport to watch, and one of the least ambiguous rules we now have that helped make this happen is you have to keep 3 up. It's the cornerstone of the changes. f**k around with that and you end up quickly back where we were.
Just like the new mark rule it'll be binned. People aren't idiots.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on June 15, 2025, 03:40:41 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2025, 03:35:05 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2025, 03:31:58 PMGonna have to change that breach rule to just a free on the halfway line, it's a ridiculous punishment!
It's the entire key to the new rules which is producing much better football to watch.
It's also undebatable. If you can't count to 3 then don't blame anyone else let alone the rules
There's a reason no other sport has this rule. In the heat of the moment when you're chasing a win you aren't going to be thinking straight. If there's a single other sport that's stupid enough to have a rule like that I'd love to hear it. Stopping players from getting forward is such a backwards idea
Yet in the heat of the moment we expect referees to think completely straight? But players don't have to think at all?
Also it wasn't a penalty for "getting forward" as you suggest. It was a penalty for breaking the rules.
Because all a man has to do is count to 3.
Ffs it cannot be simpler to understand.
Football is better for the rule. Infinitely better
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Sure Coldrick couldn't enforce the rules already in place and he's one of the best refs in the business. See it almost every game at club level at least once that it's not called. It doesn't work and it slows the game down
Quote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2025, 03:50:17 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on June 15, 2025, 03:40:41 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2025, 03:35:05 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2025, 03:31:58 PMGonna have to change that breach rule to just a free on the halfway line, it's a ridiculous punishment!
It's the entire key to the new rules which is producing much better football to watch.
It's also undebatable. If you can't count to 3 then don't blame anyone else let alone the rules
There's a reason no other sport has this rule. In the heat of the moment when you're chasing a win you aren't going to be thinking straight. If there's a single other sport that's stupid enough to have a rule like that I'd love to hear it. Stopping players from getting forward is such a backwards idea
Yet in the heat of the moment we expect referees to think completely straight? But players don't have to think at all?
Also it wasn't a penalty for "getting forward" as you suggest. It was a penalty for breaking the rules.
Where did I even suggest that it's reasonable to assume anyone would be thinking straight? Down had the ball going forward. One of their 3 mistakenly crossed the line. Was he going up the field for the craic or something lol? Was he going up the pitch to talk to someone in the crowd or was he going up there to get forward? Don't be silly lol
Christ it's not for the faint hearted that...
Very nervy end but I think we just about deserved it. Depth and impact off the bench was key, Jack in particular. Finished stronger when Down seemed to fade just a bit. That uncharacteristic free miss by Havern at the end kinda summed that up - after him being exceptional the whole game, I'll be having nightmares of him later
In a good position now being able to watch next weekends football while resting. Hope Down can bounce back quick for next weekend as they'll give anyone a proper game. Big athletic team who play with bravery and always good to watch.
Quote from: trileacman on June 15, 2025, 03:49:42 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2025, 03:45:36 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 15, 2025, 03:41:17 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2025, 03:35:05 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2025, 03:31:58 PMGonna have to change that breach rule to just a free on the halfway line, it's a ridiculous punishment!
It's the entire key to the new rules which is producing much better football to watch.
It's also undebatable. If you can't count to 3 then don't blame anyone else let alone the rules
The "read the rule book" excuse is such a load of horseshit. If it was that easy not to make a honest mistake we should send off every player who over-carry's, touches the ball on the ground or double bounces. Then guys like yourself could say "sure it's easy to count to 2".
Punishments have to be commensurate with the rule breach, we've lost complete sight of that in football.
No. What we have is a really enjoyable sport to watch, and one of the least ambiguous rules we now have that helped make this happen is you have to keep 3 up. It's the cornerstone of the changes. f**k around with that and you end up quickly back where we were.
Just like the new mark rule it'll be binned. People aren't idiots.
Some people are idiots.
In our part of the world it's the ones who can't see the wood for the trees when it comes to the new rules.
Nitpicking every last aspect of every rule, when a sport in absolute ruins has become brilliant again. That's a special kind of idiocy.
Changes for Caolan McColgan for Daire O Baoill. Changes for Mayo Donnacha McHugh for Dylan Thornton
and Bob Tuohy for Jordan Flynn. Looks close to sell out in Hyde Park hopefully a good game decided on fine margins.
Christ almighty. As if Ger Canning wasn't bad enough to listen to , Sweet Caroline is playing at the ground !!
Good crowd in the Hyde.
Are the goalposts at Hyde Park narrower than other pitches?
Some weekend of football so far would nearly entice me to croker as a neutral for the Quarter finals
I don't think that black card was the correct decision by the ref. 15 mins played Mayo 0-4 Donegal 0-3
Will do well to be over 60points in this game!
On the 3 up yes it has to be policed but I think the 2pts from a free needs to go I've no problem with a guaranteed point from it.
Donegal not that composed, if Mayo get a bit chaos going then they have a chance.
Donegal shooting shot selection has been woeful, Mayo defending well so far.
Patton is gammy. Was hopping about gingerly after fielding that short 2 point effort.
Donegal lad should have kept his feet to himself
Text book black card
Murphy two pointer free their first score for 18 minutes puts them back in front 0-5 to 0-4
Donegal sucking the life out of the ball against this breeze. Mayo too panicky to make their short spells of possession count.
This is poor stuff one team can't shoot the other won't shoot
Def Donegal free there!
Watching this, i can't work out how Donegal beat Armagh in the Ulster final!
I wonder what new ways Mayo will find to lose this one.
No doubt they'll go toe to toe with Donegal , yet feck it up
Donegal fans look to have out numbered Mayo fans. Looks to be like a home game for Donegal.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 15, 2025, 04:34:32 PMI wonder what new ways Mayo will find to lose this one.
No doubt they'll go toe to toe with Donegal , yet feck it up
Probably by being beaten by the better team.
Half time Donegal 0-9 Mayo 0-6 the expected competitive encounter so far. Tyrone 0-17 Cavan 0-8 at the break in the other game.
6 points with the wind on their backs....could be 20 points between them at the end
Donegal absolutely controlled that, and only a few silly handling errors have kept it close.
Donegal played that like Kilcoo.
Mayo not pressing the Donegal kickouts was sinful. Mayo not keeping the scoreboard ticking over with one pointers was daft. They're having an early summer by the looks of it.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 15, 2025, 04:38:13 PMHalf time Donegal 0-9 Mayo 0-6 the expected competitive encounter so far.
There may only be 3 points in it, but for this game to be competitive Mayo would need to have went in a dozen points up
Mayo haven't enough scoring forwards, like alot of teams, rely on 1 forward
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 15, 2025, 04:37:14 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 15, 2025, 04:34:32 PMI wonder what new ways Mayo will find to lose this one.
No doubt they'll go toe to toe with Donegal , yet feck it up
Probably by being beaten by the better team.
Don't be silly ::)
Donegal win seems inevitable, Mayo overthinking it in the first half there. No dying with the boots on today...
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2025, 04:44:33 PMMayo haven't enough scoring forwards, like alot of teams, rely on 1 forward
Donegal the most wasteful in their shooting 1st half.
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Quote from: AustinPowers on June 15, 2025, 04:53:38 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on June 15, 2025, 04:37:14 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 15, 2025, 04:34:32 PMI wonder what new ways Mayo will find to lose this one.
No doubt they'll go toe to toe with Donegal , yet feck it up
Probably by being beaten by the better team.
Don't be silly ::)
Are you saying the Ulster Champions are not the better team?
Big goal chance for Donegal saved. 0-9 to 0-7.
Donegal tactics are muck to watch.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 15, 2025, 05:00:25 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 15, 2025, 04:53:38 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on June 15, 2025, 04:37:14 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 15, 2025, 04:34:32 PMI wonder what new ways Mayo will find to lose this one.
No doubt they'll go toe to toe with Donegal , yet feck it up
Probably by being beaten by the better team.
Don't be silly ::)
Are you saying the Ulster Champions are not the better team?
I was being sarcastic
Donegal are the better team , but they are only 2 ahead. If Mayo had anything at all , they could well win it but no doubt they won't
Surely a foul on the kicker by Murphy?
AOS getting refereed again according to size rather than anything in the rulebook.
45 mins played Donegal 0-11 Mayo 0-10.
Aye, O'Shea probably should had multi frees, nearly fouled everything he tackled.
AOS really wishes he got the baldy murphy treatment from refs
Quote from: 5times5times on June 15, 2025, 05:16:40 PMAOS really wishes he got the baldy murphy treatment from refs
Baldy! What age are you lol
Goal for 55 mins played Donegal 0-13 Mayo 1-12
Bad mistake by Murphy there!
Great two pointer for Donegal level game 57 minutes played.
100% the pass before goal was a throw ball!
Foot was on the arc line for that 2 pointer
So is that only 1 point?
Black card Murphy!
He does want he wants, like feckin Netanyahu
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 15, 2025, 05:26:34 PMBlack card Murphy!
He does want he wants, like feckin Netanyahu
Black card for what?
Donegal lead 0-17 to 1-12 with 10 minutes to play.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 15, 2025, 05:26:34 PMBlack card Murphy!
He does want he wants, like feckin Netanyahu
"Screening" is not a legitimate tactic in GAA and refs need to be stronger on it!
Quote from: trileacman on June 15, 2025, 05:27:48 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 15, 2025, 05:26:34 PMBlack card Murphy!
He does want he wants, like feckin Netanyahu
Black card for what?
Blocked the man after he laid off the ball
Twice he's done that now
Mayo have a good ko strategy.
Big goal chance not taken for Donegal there.
Foot block?!
Must be a strong wind, Mayo passed up taking it out to the Arc 3 times now.
Big goal chance this time for Mayo but at least gets brought back for free. 0-18 to 1-14 with two minutes left.
Quote from: screenexile on June 15, 2025, 05:35:57 PMFoot block?!
No. Clear separation from the kick to the block.
Point for Mayo level game. seconds left. Donegal win with the last kick of the game.
Mayo switched off after the equaliser. Criminal.
Moore tortured them down the left in the second half
Donegal still not fully clicking.
Murphy is some gypo
Mayo just learnt that's why you have to wait til the hooter goes before shooting for the equaliser.
I knew it!
Christ almighty, Mayo ::)
Moore is a class player serious pace and to still have e it after a battle like that was unreal fair play to him.
No foot block no black for Murphy he was cute and just stood his ground.. possibly black card for him at the end though..
Some game all the same. Mayo couldn't create a foul at the end as they couldn't catch the Donegal lad..
Football is good now
Quote from: 5times5times on June 15, 2025, 05:40:57 PMMurphy is some gypo
Had a lot of time for Murphy before but this year he's turned into a total tr**p
Jaysus you'd never want to bet on Mayo. FFS!
Quote from: screenexile on June 15, 2025, 05:41:59 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 15, 2025, 05:38:28 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 15, 2025, 05:35:57 PMFoot block?!
No.
I meant Reape's block for the Donegal goal chance there was no separation!
I know what you're on about. McBrearty got his shot away. It was subsequently blocked with the foot. That is not a "foot block" per the rules.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 15, 2025, 05:44:28 PMQuote from: 5times5times on June 15, 2025, 05:40:57 PMMurphy is some gypo
Had a lot of time for Murphy before but this year he's turned into a total tr**p
And ref, after ref, after now this ref, let him away with it.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 15, 2025, 04:43:20 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 15, 2025, 04:38:13 PMHalf time Donegal 0-9 Mayo 0-6 the expected competitive encounter so far.
There may only be 3 points in it, but for this game to be competitive Mayo would need to have went in a dozen points up
Wasn't the case at all.
After watching the spirit and endeavour of Mayo today, as a Cavan person I can only apologise to neutrals that our basketcase of spineless neurotics are somehow occupying a knockout berth while a team that can really compete and add something to the championship narrative is out. Yes, yes, I know, they pissed on their own chips against us the first day and that's what ultimately knocked them out but if they played Cavan again next week I wouldn't say we'd be within ten points of them.
Cavan are one almighty soft touch in the draw for any team worrying about fatigue or having to over extend themselves.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 15, 2025, 05:44:28 PMQuote from: 5times5times on June 15, 2025, 05:40:57 PMMurphy is some gypo
Had a lot of time for Murphy before but this year he's turned into a total tr**p
Always been at it
Quote from: 5times5times on June 15, 2025, 05:40:57 PMMurphy is some gypo
"Gypo"
"Baldy"
Would you ever f**k off and grow up.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 15, 2025, 05:47:16 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 15, 2025, 05:44:28 PMQuote from: 5times5times on June 15, 2025, 05:40:57 PMMurphy is some gypo
Had a lot of time for Murphy before but this year he's turned into a total tr**p
Always been at it
Yes he has, but this year , he's upped it a dozen notches.
He honestly seems to do whatever he wants on the field without punishment
Quote from: gallsman on June 15, 2025, 05:45:14 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 15, 2025, 05:41:59 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 15, 2025, 05:38:28 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 15, 2025, 05:35:57 PMFoot block?!
No.
I meant Reape's block for the Donegal goal chance there was no separation!
I know what you're on about. McBrearty got his shot away. It was subsequently blocked with the foot. That is not a "foot block" per the rules.
Reape led with his foot to block the ball I haven't seen it again but it looked fairly nailed on to me.
Quote from: screenexile on June 15, 2025, 05:50:46 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 15, 2025, 05:45:14 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 15, 2025, 05:41:59 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 15, 2025, 05:38:28 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 15, 2025, 05:35:57 PMFoot block?!
No.
I meant Reape's block for the Donegal goal chance there was no separation!
I know what you're on about. McBrearty got his shot away. It was subsequently blocked with the foot. That is not a "foot block" per the rules.
Reape led with his foot to block the ball I haven't seen it again but it looked fairly nailed on to me.
He did not stop McBrearty from shooting by blocking him with his foot. The foul you are thinking of but evidently don't understand refers using the foot to block the ball when an opponent is kicking the ball. McBrearty had finished kicking the ball.
If my calculations are correct, kerry have a 66% chance of getting a div2 team next weekend, meaning they'll have played every single cship match this year, without meeting a div1 side... on a plate for them.
Preliminary quarter-finals rundown:
The teams who go into Monday's draw for the preliminary quarter-finals:
Pot 2 (Home team)
Donegal, Kerry, Down, Dublin
Pot 3 (Away team)
Cavan, Cork, Louth, Galway
Who do Kerry prefer? That's the heated ball.
You'd hope for Down and Galway to meet. Then you could have four fairly epic quarter-finals.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 15, 2025, 06:03:39 PMWho do Kerry prefer? That's the heated ball.
What are you suggesting? ;)
Cavan is the heated ball. No doubt they'll get them
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 15, 2025, 05:45:39 PMQuote from: JoG2 on June 15, 2025, 04:43:20 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 15, 2025, 04:38:13 PMHalf time Donegal 0-9 Mayo 0-6 the expected competitive encounter so far.
There may only be 3 points in it, but for this game to be competitive Mayo would need to have went in a dozen points up
Wasn't the case at all.
Indeed, gallant as usual from Mayo, but the 1st half ultimately cost them
Mike Murphy must have his own rule book
Half the remaining teams are from Ulster
Wouldn't be Mayo if they didn't get carried out on their shield, still find it remarkable that some including a few on here that thought Donegal would win easily.
Probably a change of management for Mayo now. Last three years - 2023 Well beaten in the All Ireland Quarter final, 2024 Prelim Quarter final exit and this year Group stage exit.
As for Donegal a lot of energy used up today could do with another week break but are out again next weekend at least they are at home and should beat Louth,Cork regardless. Interesting Patton said afterwards that he was expecting the ball would be booted out of play after his last kick out and settle for a draw no doubt Mayo would have loved that to happen.
When is the draw made?
So Mayo, heartbreaking; how did they let Cavan beat them so easily? Don't think they were potential winners, but on their day could put it up to anybody
Ref was excellent, really lets the play go
The All Ireland talk around Donegal is premature. I'll be shocked if they even make a final. They aren't playing the new rules to their fullest. Had also forgotten how Murphy plays refs like a fiddle. He does whatever he likes out there.
Patton took a big risk rushing that last kick out
If Mayo had won the ball and scored, Donegal would have finished third , and away in the qualifiers to maybe Dublin or Kerry
What was the thinking there?
Quote from: 5times5times on June 15, 2025, 05:57:38 PMIf my calculations are correct, kerry have a 66% chance of getting a div2 team next weekend, meaning they'll have played every single cship match this year, without meeting a div1 side... on a plate for them.
.
How did it fare for them yesterday ? Btw last 2 winners of all Ireland played in division 2 that year.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 15, 2025, 06:30:43 PMQuote from: 5times5times on June 15, 2025, 05:57:38 PMIf my calculations are correct, kerry have a 66% chance of getting a div2 team next weekend, meaning they'll have played every single cship match this year, without meeting a div1 side... on a plate for them.
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How did it fare for them yesterday ? Btw last 2 winners of all Ireland played in division 2 that year.
Yes such statements about Div2 teams needs to be binned at this stage.
What a player Michael Murphy is...incredible....but he is definitely treated differently by Referee's.....💯
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 15, 2025, 06:23:51 PMPatton took a big risk rushing that last kick out
If Mayo had won the ball and scored, Donegal would have finished third , and away in the qualifiers to maybe Dublin or Kerry
What was the thinking there?
He had to take the kickout regardless. He had a target and hit him, rather than settle for a 50/50 contest that could have led to Mayo scoring.
The only away team nobody wants is Galway, then can't get Dublin, so there could be a big gane nxt week. I fancy a Down v Louth game could be tasty too.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2025, 06:49:44 PMThe only away team nobody wants is Galway, then can't get Dublin, so there could be a big gane nxt week. I fancy a Down v Louth game could be tasty too.
Down can't get Louth
Cavan should be embarrassed to get through
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2025, 06:49:44 PMThe only away team nobody wants is Galway, then can't get Dublin, so there could be a big gane nxt week. I fancy a Down v Louth game could be tasty too.
Down can't play Louth - they were in the same group.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 15, 2025, 06:23:51 PMPatton took a big risk rushing that last kick out
If Mayo had won the ball and scored, Donegal would have finished third , and away in the qualifiers to maybe Dublin or Kerry
What was the thinking there?
Mayo hardly won a kickout all day so he probably had a fair idea it would work out.
Why can they not do it on a Sunday evening on tv?
Sorry,my bad, forgot they already played!
Why did Carney not attempt to tackle Moore in that final play?
He just kept backing off him. Moore had no support runner. He just let him take the shot ffs
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 15, 2025, 07:01:59 PMWhy can they not do it on a Sunday evening on tv?
Because that would make too much sense and possibly promote the games to a greater audience.
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 15, 2025, 07:01:59 PMWhy can they not do it on a Sunday evening on tv?
No radiators in The Sunday game studio.
There are in the radio studio Though
Quote from: balladmaker on June 15, 2025, 07:19:46 PMQuote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 15, 2025, 07:01:59 PMWhy can they not do it on a Sunday evening on tv?
Because that would make too much sense and possibly promote the games to a greater audience.
💯
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 15, 2025, 07:23:06 PMQuote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 15, 2025, 07:01:59 PMWhy can they not do it on a Sunday evening on tv?
No radiators in The Sunday game studio.
There are in the radio studio Though
👀
Quote from: galwayman on June 15, 2025, 07:14:16 PMWhy did Carney not attempt to tackle Moore in that final play?
He just kept backing off him. Moore had no support runner. He just let him take the shot ffs
Carney was awful the whole game. I thought he might get subbed but they kept him til the end.
Quote from: befair on June 15, 2025, 06:20:37 PMRef was excellent, really lets the play go
He was generally excellent and contributed to a hard hitting enjoyable game.
But he refereed one side's big old unit very differently to other side's big old unit .
Prediction
Kerry vs Galway
Dublin vs Cork
Down vs Cavan
Donegal vs Louth
O'Donoghue stayed on the pitch to sign autographs even after the defeat. The same can't be said for some of the Derry players recently. It is easy to sign autographs when you are winning.
Have fun for the remainder as we sit back and let ye at it.
Looking at some of the other games this weekend it's like a different sport to what we're at.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on June 15, 2025, 08:02:49 PMO'Donoghue stayed on the pitch to sign autographs even after the defeat. The same can't be said for some of the Derry players recently. It is easy to sign autographs when you are winning.
Shane McGuigan was getting photos taken with supporters after the end of yesterday's match. Didn't see him sign anything so I guess whatever point you are making is valid.
Quote from: GTP on June 15, 2025, 08:14:46 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on June 15, 2025, 08:02:49 PMO'Donoghue stayed on the pitch to sign autographs even after the defeat. The same can't be said for some of the Derry players recently. It is easy to sign autographs when you are winning.
Shane McGuigan was getting photos taken with supporters after the end of yesterday's match. Didn't see him sign anything so I guess whatever point you are making is valid.
Yip, saw Brendan Rogers handing his gloves over to a young supporter at the end of the game, but I didn't see him sign anything either. Always good to back up a point like Norm's.
Quote from: GTP on June 15, 2025, 08:14:46 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on June 15, 2025, 08:02:49 PMO'Donoghue stayed on the pitch to sign autographs even after the defeat. The same can't be said for some of the Derry players recently. It is easy to sign autographs when you are winning.
Shane McGuigan was getting photos taken with supporters after the end of yesterday's match. Didn't see him sign anything so I guess whatever point you are making is valid.
Bit of sense needed from parents. Kids should be kept away from players when the team has been defeated.
Paddy Power odds for the last 12. Long enough odds for Monaghan,Meath who are already into the last 8.
Armagh 3/1
Kerry 7/2
Donegal 4/1
Tyrone 6/1
Dublin 6/1
Galway 7/1
Monaghan 17/1
Meath 22/1
Down 50/1
Cork 50/1
Louth 70/1
Cavan 90/1
For the draw tomorrow what pairings are not permitted?
Teams from same group or teams you have played in provincials?
Is there another draw next Monday for full Quater finals?
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on June 15, 2025, 08:02:49 PMO'Donoghue stayed on the pitch to sign autographs even after the defeat. The same can't be said for some of the Derry players recently. It is easy to sign autographs when you are winning.
Last year after Galway had beaten Derry in Round 1 of the Championship, Conor Glass stayed around to take selfies with the Galway kids never mind the Derry ones ( he poses for one with my Galway young lad).
Tyrone were motoring well today, ticking along nicely and making the QF directly is a huge positive for us. Some initial thoughts from the game...
- McKernan boxed off the ball then completely taken out after letting the ball go within first 5 mins. Looks to have dislocated shoulder or broken collar bone. Unlikely to see him again.
- Mattie Donnelly had a unreal first half, what a warrior
- Darren McCurry was on fire, particularly in second half. Darragh Canavan picked off some lovely scores too.
- Mark Bradley didn't start and we rotated men into the FF line with Canavan and McCurry. Nice mix of running football and some early long balls too.
- Kennedy played full game, thought he was a wee bit rusty given his time out but he is essential for us around MF. Winning primary possession is still our weakness however.
- Kieran McGeary is having some championship, was fantastic today.
- Petey Harte has to start imo, he's such a positive player and so much good play comes off his ability to create chances and set up attacks from breaks around the middle.
- biggest cheer of the day was Conor Meyler getting on for last 20 mins. Looked like we'd seen the last of him but huge to have him back. Great photo on social media of him overcome with emotion at the full time whistle when meeting his mum on the field. Seriously tough 23 months for the lad.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2025, 07:40:26 PMQuote from: befair on June 15, 2025, 06:20:37 PMRef was excellent, really lets the play go
He was generally excellent and contributed to a hard hitting enjoyable game.
But he refereed one side's big old unit very differently to other side's big old unit .
YES
Would be surprised if Bradley starts the rest of the Championship. No Tyrone player covered themselves in glory against Mayo (Mattie Donnelly excepted, maybe) but he looked particularly bad.
I've felt bad for the Derry lads all year kids still streaming onto the pitch surrounding them especially after the Kerry Match which was especially hard defeat to take. It seems they're being encouraged to do it by parents who want to stick a wee photo of their wee John Joe on Facebook
Most of the Derry lads were all on the pitch after the game last night for photos and signatures.....
Fair play to them or any other team after defeat....
Fair play to Donegal today. Hope ye go the whole way now, I'll be supporting ye anyhow.
Quote from: Brendan on June 15, 2025, 08:41:31 PMI've felt bad for the Derry lads all year kids still streaming onto the pitch surrounding them especially after the Kerry Match which was especially hard defeat to take. It seems they're being encouraged to do it by parents who want to stick a wee photo of their wee John Joe on Facebook
That's ridiculous
Who names their child John Joe nowadays?
Like a lot of neutrals I was disappointed to see Mayo exit the championship - they bring so much to the competition.
Fair play to Donegal with the last play leading to the winner.
They could have kicked the play out of play after the hooter knowing they were through.
Had they taken that option it would have left a very sour taste in the Breffni County.
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 15, 2025, 09:05:32 PMLike a lot of neutrals I was disappointed to see Mayo exit the championship - they bring so much to the competition.
Fair play to Donegal with the last play leading to the winner.
They could have kicked the play out of play after the hooter knowing they were through.
Had they taken that option it would have left a very sour taste in the Breffni County.
I would have had no complaints and would prefer to see Mayo still in the Championship.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 14, 2025, 06:48:06 PMDunne Royal been blowing about an easy Meath win v Kerry this past 2 weeks.
Let's put some respect on his name.
Hoganstands gain is gaaboards loss. Mark my words that blowing will become tiresome.
Quote from: mup on June 15, 2025, 09:20:36 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 14, 2025, 06:48:06 PMDunne Royal been blowing about an easy Meath win v Kerry this past 2 weeks.
Let's put some respect on his name.
Hoganstands gain is gaaboards loss. Mark my words that blowing will become tiresome.
Big win for kildare
Why oh why did Mayo not push up on Donegal's kickouts in the first half.
And are Donegal the only team left in Ireland who function better against the breeze? It was becoming the norm in the past few years. But everyone else has taken the shackles off when enjoying a breeze.
The hurling is pretty boring compared to the football.
Quote from: Cavan19 on June 15, 2025, 09:15:00 PMQuote from: The Boy Wonder on June 15, 2025, 09:05:32 PMLike a lot of neutrals I was disappointed to see Mayo exit the championship - they bring so much to the competition.
Fair play to Donegal with the last play leading to the winner.
They could have kicked the play out of play after the hooter knowing they were through.
Had they taken that option it would have left a very sour taste in the Breffni County.
I would have had no complaints and would prefer to see Mayo still in the Championship.
+1
I wanted that winning score to go wide. Mayo are always box-office and left it all on the field today whereas Cavan going through is only going to expose us to further embarrassment. I've honestly never been so despondent about the state of our county team and the decision-makers entrusted with responsibility for it.
From a Down POV today, can't be too unhappy. We're on the up and definitely would've taken 2nd at the start of the groups. A bit of inexperience, a few sloppy mistakes and a few poor refereeing decisions (Monaghan's 2nd goal, the Havern not handing the ball back, not giving Daniel Guinness the advantage)lost us the game but we went toe-to-toe with a top team.
We'll fear no one in Newry next week, should be a great occasion.
Watching highlights, Moore over carried the ball twice for that last point. Cavan in Antrim Territory giving away over 30pts in a game.
Thankfully didn't cost us in the end, but how did the referee give Mogan a black card for O'Donoghue tripping over Mogan's legs after he himself had shouldered Mogan to the ground?
Am I missing something?
Quote from: J70 on June 15, 2025, 09:55:18 PMThankfully didn't cost us in the end, but how did the referee give Mogan a black card for O'Donoghue tripping over Mogan's legs after he himself had shouldered Mogan to the ground?
Am I missing something?
Yes, you are missing that Mogan clearly raised his leg, so to better trip O'Donoghue.
TSG just showed replay of Murphy. Long ball into him. Wins it out in front, hesitates, turns and lays it off to man coming off the shoulder. Mayo man immediately clatters him square in the back.
No screen, no check. No "St. Michael". No trampishness. He didn't move and was looking the other way from where the Mayo lad hit him.
Quit yer yappin'.
Is the draw for the quarter final being made tomororw or next Monday?
Quote from: armaghniac on June 15, 2025, 09:58:18 PMQuote from: J70 on June 15, 2025, 09:55:18 PMThankfully didn't cost us in the end, but how did the referee give Mogan a black card for O'Donoghue tripping over Mogan's legs after he himself had shouldered Mogan to the ground?
Am I missing something?
Yes, you are missing that Mogan clearly raised his leg, so to better trip O'Donoghue.
So his legs being raised wasn't a result of his momentum after being shouldered onto his back in the ground?
Seriously? ;D
Ah, Morgan definitely knew what he was doing but agree it should have been a free out. O'Donoghue turned into him and shouldered him in the chest.
Lad def lifted his leg!
The disrespect shown to Cavan is a joke. If Mayo "deserved" to still be in the championship, why couldn't they beat Cavan in Castlebar?
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 15, 2025, 10:07:56 PMThe disrespect shown to Cavan is a joke. If Mayo "deserved" to still be in the championship, why couldn't they beat Cavan in Castlebar?
+1
This sympathy for poor old Mayo is ridiculous. They didn't do enough to finish above Cavan ffs.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 15, 2025, 10:07:56 PMThe disrespect shown to Cavan is a joke. If Mayo "deserved" to still be in the championship, why couldn't they beat Cavan in Castlebar?
It's surely not disrespectful to acknowledge that Mayo will nearly always exit the championship in glorious failure having emptied the tank, whilst Cavan will nearly always exit the championship with a double digit loss, having given up after 15 mins.
Quote from: J70 on June 15, 2025, 10:03:52 PMQuote from: armaghniac on June 15, 2025, 09:58:18 PMQuote from: J70 on June 15, 2025, 09:55:18 PMThankfully didn't cost us in the end, but how did the referee give Mogan a black card for O'Donoghue tripping over Mogan's legs after he himself had shouldered Mogan to the ground?
Am I missing something?
Yes, you are missing that Mogan clearly raised his leg, so to better trip O'Donoghue.
So his legs being raised wasn't a result of his momentum after being shouldered onto his back in the ground?
Seriously? ;D
Blatant black card for me. Mogan could have avoided contact but made sure he didn't.
There must be some way, technical or otherwise, that Mayo can stay in the Championship.
I don't feel in any way disrespected. Cavan have had an appalling championship and shrivelled in the face of any sort of examination by a decent team. It looks to me that McStay had lost that Mayo dressing room and Cavan, a broken clock, were fortunate enough to get them on a rare day we'd be able to tell the time correctly.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 15, 2025, 10:14:27 PMThere must be some way, technical or otherwise, that Mayo can stay in the Championship.
Only if Michael Murphy transfers to them. Normal rules don't seem to apply for him
Quote from: mup on June 15, 2025, 09:20:36 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 14, 2025, 06:48:06 PMDunne Royal been blowing about an easy Meath win v Kerry this past 2 weeks.
Let's put some respect on his name.
Hoganstands gain is gaaboards loss. Mark my words that blowing will become tiresome.
Bingo, and also his 15 other aliases.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2025, 10:13:46 PMQuote from: J70 on June 15, 2025, 10:03:52 PMQuote from: armaghniac on June 15, 2025, 09:58:18 PMQuote from: J70 on June 15, 2025, 09:55:18 PMThankfully didn't cost us in the end, but how did the referee give Mogan a black card for O'Donoghue tripping over Mogan's legs after he himself had shouldered Mogan to the ground?
Am I missing something?
Yes, you are missing that Mogan clearly raised his leg, so to better trip O'Donoghue.
So his legs being raised wasn't a result of his momentum after being shouldered onto his back in the ground?
Seriously? ;D
Blatant black card for me. Mogan could have avoided contact but made sure he didn't.
The two of them are literally occupying the same square metre of space as Mogan hits the floor. There was no way to avoid them getting entangled.
Fair enough, the ref gets one look. I've no real issue with that, especially as it was academic in the end. But on replay, Mogan was seriously unfortunate.
And that's leaving aside the question of whether it should have been a free the other way in the first place.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 15, 2025, 10:24:08 PMQuote from: Aaron Boone on June 15, 2025, 10:14:27 PMThere must be some way, technical or otherwise, that Mayo can stay in the Championship.
Only if Michael Murphy transfers to them. Normal rules don't seem to apply for him
You lads should start a campaign.
I don't think it is right rules being changed mid championship. If there is a debate on the midfield interference surely this should be voted before the club championships.
The teams playing next week have a game to try these changes before the QF's.
It's an interesting debate if this rule change would suit certain teams. My initial thoughts are it could slow some systems which others would be happy with.
In principle I fully agree but think everyone's up in arms over the interference with the mark in particular. It's not as if any one team is lording it and will now miss out.
Quote from: gallsman on June 15, 2025, 09:59:03 PMTSG just showed replay of Murphy. Long ball into him. Wins it out in front, hesitates, turns and lays it off to man coming off the shoulder. Mayo man immediately clatters him square in the back.
No screen, no check. No "St. Michael". No trampishness. He didn't move and was looking the other way from where the Mayo lad hit him.
Quit yer yappin'.
Yeah Murphy did nothing wrong there, Mayo man was trying to buy a free given that he knew he couldn't round Murphy and get to his marker in time to put in a tackle. Deliberately made contact look as grevious as possible by making no attempt to round Murphy. Faloon got it right.
On a side note, Faloon let so much go today, barely gave any advantages even when they were well warranted. It's not a criticism but he marks the hard right of the referee spectrum, it is a bit unfair on players and coaches to be subject to Faloons rulebook one week and then Gough's the next. The spread of interpretation amongst the top level refs is just too large. Personally I'd prefer if they all took Faloons approach but there needs to be a narrower interpretation of the rules amongst the refs, they just can't continue to think "I ref like this". They need to acknowledge that there's a need to interpret fouls consistently week to week.
Terrible game management by Mayo. Should have waited until after the hooter before shooting.
When you're looking at scoring the decisive score in the last few seconds, you make sure there's no time for the opposition to score again.
Will all the quarter finals be in Croke Park?
Quote from: trileacman on June 15, 2025, 10:51:43 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 15, 2025, 09:59:03 PMTSG just showed replay of Murphy. Long ball into him. Wins it out in front, hesitates, turns and lays it off to man coming off the shoulder. Mayo man immediately clatters him square in the back.
No screen, no check. No "St. Michael". No trampishness. He didn't move and was looking the other way from where the Mayo lad hit him.
Quit yer yappin'.
Yeah Murphy did nothing wrong there, Mayo man was trying to buy a free given that he knew he couldn't round Murphy and get to his marker in time to put in a tackle. Deliberately made contact look as grevious as possible by making no attempt to round Murphy. Faloon got it right.
On a side note, Faloon let so much go today, barely gave any advantages even when they were well warranted. It's not a criticism but he marks the hard right of the referee spectrum, it is a bit unfair on players and coaches to be subject to Faloons rulebook one week and then Gough's the next. The spread of interpretation amongst the top level refs is just too large. Personally I'd prefer if they all took Faloons approach but there needs to be a narrower interpretation of the rules amongst the refs, they just can't continue to think "I ref like this". They need to acknowledge that there's a need to interpret fouls consistently week to week.
Or Coldricks rules, which are made up as he goes along. He was dreadful in Arnagh today
Quote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2025, 10:12:43 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 15, 2025, 10:07:56 PMThe disrespect shown to Cavan is a joke. If Mayo "deserved" to still be in the championship, why couldn't they beat Cavan in Castlebar?
It's surely not disrespectful to acknowledge that Mayo will nearly always exit the championship in glorious failure having emptied the tank, whilst Cavan will nearly always exit the championship with a double digit loss, having given up after 15 mins.
Failure is failure no matter how glorious. Cavan are in the next round on merit
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on June 16, 2025, 12:02:46 AMQuote from: thewobbler on June 15, 2025, 10:12:43 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 15, 2025, 10:07:56 PMThe disrespect shown to Cavan is a joke. If Mayo "deserved" to still be in the championship, why couldn't they beat Cavan in Castlebar?
It's surely not disrespectful to acknowledge that Mayo will nearly always exit the championship in glorious failure having emptied the tank, whilst Cavan will nearly always exit the championship with a double digit loss, having given up after 15 mins.
Failure is failure no matter how glorious. Cavan are in the next round on merit
Cavan are useless. Went to the Tyrone-Cavan game in Omagh. They never laid a hand on Tyrone. Result never in doubt. Is reason I didn't waste my money going today. Donegal destroyed them. Mayo must have been very complacent to lose to them.. a freak result if ever there was one. Team gets them in the draw will be laughing
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 15, 2025, 09:05:32 PMLike a lot of neutrals I was disappointed to see Mayo exit the championship - they bring so much to the competition.
Fair play to Donegal with the last play leading to the winner.
They could have kicked the play out of play after the hooter knowing they were through.
Had they taken that option it would have left a very sour taste in the Breffni County.
They've been by far the most turgid of the big teams to watch this year. Every one of their championship games has had under the average number of points this year, some of them significantly so.
The only common denominator there is Mayo. The new rules reward clever and classy forward play and that's something they've always struggled with, even back when they were good
Does conceding 30pts and get creamed by Tyrone twice not leave a sour taste in the Breffni county. A bad beating awaits again nxt week.
I don't think people realise how remarkable Meath victory over kerry was at weekend. Kerry are rarely hammered in championship. It was one worst defeats in history of kerry football.
Meaths defeat of kerry was in top 5 worst championship defeats kerry have had since 1950
Kerrys Worst defeats in Championship since 1950 are
1 Meath 2001 15 pts
2 Cork 1990 15 pts
3 Cork 1971 11 pts
4 Meath 2025 9 pts
5 Offaly 1972 9 pts
6 Cork 1973 9 pts
7 Down 1960 8 pts
It was 5th worst defeat kerry have had in championship v team outside Munster ever
Kerrys top ten defeats in championship ever in last 140 years
to teams outside Munster
1 Meath 2001 15 pts
2 Antrim 1912 12 pts
3 Dublin 1934 11 pts
4 Mayo 1948 10 pts
5 Meath 2025 9 pts
6 Offaly 1972 9 pts
7 Down 1960 8 pts
8 Down 1991 7 pts
9 Dublin 1976 7 pts
10 Dublin 2013 7 pts
11 Tyrone 2003 7 pts
It was also the first team has beaten kerry and Dublin in same championship in 18 years since Tyrone in 2008
Only teams ever to beat Kerry & Dublin in same championship are
Meath 2025
Tyrone 2008
Tyrone 2005
Armagh 2002
Meath 2001
Kildare 1998
Offaly 1982
Cork 1989
Kildare 1927
Meath are youngest team ever to beat Kerry & Dublin in same championship
Meath also are first team to beat Dubs in leinster in 15 years
Meath wouldn't win trophy this year but they have definitely had eye catching significant results.
Watching Sunday Game clearly didn't watch the game. It was pundits talking about Meath worked harder. But forgot to mention quality of football Meath was brillant. It was better performance than Dublin game. Meath could struggle in quarter final v Donegal or Dublin looking for revenge. They are young team, possibly youngest team in the country. But in 2 or 3 years time Meath should have serious team. Peoole don't realise how young this Meath team is.
Billy Hogan 22
Brian O'Halloran 21
Sean Coffey 22
Ciaran Caulfield 21
Eoghan Frayne 21
Conor Duke 20
Ruari kinsella 21
Keith Curtis 23
Adam O'Neill 23
Jack Flynn 24
Jordan Morris 24
Matthew Costello 25
Shane Walsh 25
Cian McBride 23
Sean Brennan 22
Diarmaid Moriarty 22
Jack kinlough 20
Conor Gray 21
That is youngest Meath of last 50 years. Some of these young players are as good as I have seen come out of Meath. I have followed Meath since 1984. Ciaran Caulfield is as good as half back I have ever seen play for Meath. Jordan Morris is better corner forward at 24 than Ollie Murphy was at 24. Ruari kinsella is best playmaker we have had since Giles. Matthew Costello is as talented as Geraghty and could become an even greater player than Graham Geraghty.
Also Meath still have players to come through from All Ireland underage winning teams and leinster underage winning teams. Players like Brian Stafford nephew Rian only 19 scored 16 pts at club match last week. He is serious talent. There is also allot 6ft 4 6ft 5 18 19 year old midfield half forwards who are brillant at 2 pointers coming through. Conor Duke has being excellent this year, especially 2 pointers. But I personally think this years U20s Rian Stafford, Cian Commins and John Harkin are better than Duke. Jamie Murphy who was hitting 10 pts in championship games for Meath U20s this years looks like player with real potential. Another 6ft 4 Meath gaint. And Jack Flynn, Ronan Jones, Jack kinlough and James Conlon who are now out for the year. Should be back next year. Jack O Connor will be back from his travels and Conor Nash auzzie rules contact us up in 12 months and he says he wants to play for Meath. Nash is most talented footballer Meath have produced in last ten years. And as Frayne Caulfield Costello get older hit 23 24 25 next few years Meath should get stronger.
Meath will probably bow out at quarter stage, but if they were deliver the performance they beat kerry with, they will beat any team in country. Meath have brilliant this year in games v Down Cavan Roscommon Carlow Cork Offaly kerry Dublin. Even in first half v louth in leinster final, Meath played some brillant play. Is there chance seen how Meath are getting better even since Dublib game. Could we b looking at Kerry 1975, Meath 1996, Cork hurlers 1999, Clare hurlers 2013 were young team mushrooms over night from nowhere into All Ireland winners. Unlikely but Meath win their quarter final, they are definitely contenders than. But in coming years especially 2027 2028 2029, Meath potential is huge. Tyrone are defintly coming team in gaelic football. I definitely think Meath are another team to 5ÿwatch out for.
Quote from: trileacman on June 15, 2025, 11:00:10 PMWill all the quarter finals be in Croke Park?
Yes. Debate to be had that the same should be done as the Tailteann cup whereby the group winners gets home advantage for the Quarter finals.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 15, 2025, 09:25:01 PMQuote from: mup on June 15, 2025, 09:20:36 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 14, 2025, 06:48:06 PMDunne Royal been blowing about an easy Meath win v Kerry this past 2 weeks.
Let's put some respect on his name.
Hoganstands gain is gaaboards loss. Mark my words that blowing will become tiresome.
Big win for kildare
Yeah the reality should be aiming for a tc win and guarantee themselves an all ire spot next year.
Quote from: joemamas on June 15, 2025, 10:25:03 PMQuote from: mup on June 15, 2025, 09:20:36 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 14, 2025, 06:48:06 PMDunne Royal been blowing about an easy Meath win v Kerry this past 2 weeks.
Let's put some respect on his name.
Hoganstands gain is gaaboards loss. Mark my words that blowing will become tiresome.
Bingo, and also his 15 other aliases.
Only the one lad. But do I give a flying what you or a Kildare lad think ? Nah. We just beat Kerry.
Hon the royal.
Meath won't be winning the all ire this year. However they might be next year but I'd say more like 27 is when the eyes on the prize will be strong.
The all Ireland championship hasn't even reached the quarter final stage yet and every team have lost at least one game.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on June 16, 2025, 06:39:30 AMThe all Ireland championship hasn't even reached the quarter final stage yet and every team have lost at least one game.
I think that is what makes it so good this year. Dublin Kerry Armagh Donegal all will have something to prove. It's a pity that the quarter draw isn't been done same time as the prelims.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 16, 2025, 02:35:41 AMQuote from: trileacman on June 15, 2025, 11:00:10 PMWill all the quarter finals be in Croke Park?
Yes. Debate to be had that the same should be done as the Tailteann cup whereby the group winners gets home advantage for the Quarter finals.
Nice idea but not really one for debate. Too many county grounds simply aren't big enough.
Our own ground has a capacity of 18000. You'd have that many Armagh ones looking to be there.
Imagine Louth had a home quarter final, or Meath.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 16, 2025, 06:46:59 AMQuote from: Easttyrone23 on June 16, 2025, 06:39:30 AMThe all Ireland championship hasn't even reached the quarter final stage yet and every team have lost at least one game.
I think that is what makes it so good this year. Dublin Kerry Armagh Donegal all will have something to prove. It's a pity that the quarter draw isn't been done same time as the prelims.
Good idea in principle but not feasible. Too many fixtures not permissable that you have to wait for the prelims to be Iver before you make the quarter final draw.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 16, 2025, 01:01:09 AMQuote from: The Boy Wonder on June 15, 2025, 09:05:32 PMLike a lot of neutrals I was disappointed to see Mayo exit the championship - they bring so much to the competition.
Fair play to Donegal with the last play leading to the winner.
They could have kicked the play out of play after the hooter knowing they were through.
Had they taken that option it would have left a very sour taste in the Breffni County.
They've been by far the most turgid of the big teams to watch this year. Every one of their championship games has had under the average number of points this year, some of them significantly so.
The only common denominator there is Mayo. The new rules reward clever and classy forward play and that's something they've always struggled with, even back when they were good
My bitter taste comment referred to the choice that the Donegal player had after the hooter sounded :
- kick the ball over sideline and Mayo qualify
- kick the ball over bar and Cavan qualify.
RTE practically had a wake for Mayo yesterday, such was the outpouring of sympathy, veering to a sense of injustice. They are operating under a misapprehension that Mayo command wide popularity across the country and are 'everyone's favourite second team'. They are far from it.
They got what they deserved yesterday. They didn't take the Cavan game seriously and paid the price.
Cavan have won more All Irelands than Mayo, and have won the All Ireland more recently than Mayo. It was more than the training session Mayo treated it as.
It was evident yesterday. Lads absolutely terrified to shoot and completely over complicating things. That's why they're out. Completely over reliant on O'Donoghue, who has to be everywhere for them. He was lining up as the second midfielder for the second half throw in yesterday, I think.
Does anyone know what it's supposed to mean when Ruane puts his arm up to call some sort of set play? He's been doing it a while now and I'm yet to see it produce anything.
Draw not the most exciting- can't see too many surprises in it.
All-Ireland SFC preliminary quarter-finals
Donegal v Louth
Down v Galway
Dublin v Cork
Kerry v Cavan
4 walk overs...
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 16, 2025, 08:47:00 AMDraw not the most exciting- can't see too many surprises in it.
Presuming all the favourites win (can't see anything bar that) mean that Kerry v Armagh quarter final.
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 16, 2025, 08:50:10 AMAll-Ireland SFC preliminary quarter-finals
Donegal v Louth
Down v Galway
Dublin v Cork
Kerry v Cavan
4 walk overs...
We certainly will not walk all over Down the way we have been motoring this year.
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on June 16, 2025, 08:31:49 AMRTE practically had a wake for Mayo yesterday, such was the outpouring of sympathy, veering to a sense of injustice. They are operating under a misapprehension that Mayo command wide popularity across the country and are 'everyone's favourite second team'. They are far from it.
They got what they deserved yesterday. They didn't take the Cavan game seriously and paid the price.
Cavan have won more All Irelands than Mayo, and have won the All Ireland more recently than Mayo. It was more than the training session Mayo treated it as.
There's no wake in Mayo. Only themselves to blame, the well of sympathy ran dry in 2021.
Quote from: galwayman on June 16, 2025, 08:52:45 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 16, 2025, 08:50:10 AMAll-Ireland SFC preliminary quarter-finals
Donegal v Louth
Down v Galway
Dublin v Cork
Kerry v Cavan
4 walk overs...
We certainly will not walk all over Down the way we have been motoring this year.
Thank you for your support, Sir.
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 16, 2025, 08:50:10 AMAll-Ireland SFC preliminary quarter-finals
Donegal v Louth
Down v Galway
Dublin v Cork
Kerry v Cavan
4 walk overs...
+1
After the drama of the group stage, these pqfs look like a predictable set of one sided games.
Hopefully cork or down can put it up to dub or galway.
Kerry must be the luckiest team on the planet. Always get a good draw. The PQF's look like foregone conclusions without being too disrespectful. All going as most imagine it could leave those through to the Quarters playing Dublin, Kerry, Donegal or Galway. Almost sure Armagh can't play 3 of those so we could be looking at an Armagh v Kerry quarter! Early days yet mind you and the 4 teams who wouldn't be fancied might pull a rabbit out of the hat yet!
Quote from: Stickittotheman on June 16, 2025, 09:05:07 AMKerry must be the luckiest team on the planet. Always get a good draw. The PQF's look like foregone conclusions without being too disrespectful. All going as most imagine it could leave those through to the Quarters playing Dublin, Kerry, Donegal or Galway. Almost sure Armagh can't play 3 of those so we could be looking at an Armagh v Kerry quarter! Early days yet mind you and the 4 teams who wouldn't be fancied might pull a rabbit out of the hat yet!
Wouldn't be writing Down off just yet. Despite losing yesterday they're playing well
The 4 qualifiers teams look stronger that the 4 table toppers as a quartet. Given u can't get Dublin v Meath, and Armagh v Kerry a def. Then maybe Galway v Monaghan, Donegal v Meath, Tyrone v Dublin.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 16, 2025, 09:11:17 AMThe 4 qualifiers teams look stronger that the 4 table toppers as a quartet. Given u can't get Dublin v Meath,and Armagh v Kerry a def. Then maybe Galway v Monaghan, Donegal v Meath, Tyrone v Dublin.
could get Dublin v Meath I thought? Only avoid repeat provinvial final pairings
If you where the GAA you couldnt have written them out any better ::) ::) ::)
Would like to have see 2 big hitters goin at it in that round ... now they are warm up matches!
Quote from: Stickittotheman on June 16, 2025, 09:05:07 AMKerry must be the luckiest team on the planet. Always get a good draw. The PQF's look like foregone conclusions without being too disrespectful. All going as most imagine it could leave those through to the Quarters playing Dublin, Kerry, Donegal or Galway. Almost sure Armagh can't play 3 of those so we could be looking at an Armagh v Kerry quarter! Early days yet mind you and the 4 teams who wouldn't be fancied might pull a rabbit out of the hat yet!
Luckiest team on the planet to be facing Armagh in the 1/4s? (If the 4 favourites all win)
Quote from: Grace Murphy on June 16, 2025, 09:15:59 AMIf you where the GAA you couldnt have written them out any better ::) ::) ::)
Would like to have see 2 big hitters goin at it in that round ... now they are warm up matches!
You would almost say it was fixed. Keep the big guns safe till the QF stage.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 16, 2025, 09:14:46 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 16, 2025, 09:11:17 AMThe 4 qualifiers teams look stronger that the 4 table toppers as a quartet. Given u can't get Dublin v Meath,and Armagh v Kerry a def. Then maybe Galway v Monaghan, Donegal v Meath, Tyrone v Dublin.
could get Dublin v Meath I thought? Only avoid repeat provinvial final pairings
Yeah. We could have faced Tyrone in a quarter (if they'd been on a prelim)
Galway might get a test against Down but will win in the end, Louth will put it up to Donegal for a bit, the other 2 will be not even close.
It is easy to argue that the 4 division 1 teams are favourites, especially with 3 at home.
However, we have already seen division 2 teams beating division 1 teams, that gap is not as big as before.
Down are at home and playing well and will make Galway fight for it.
It is Leinster champions against the Ulster champions. Both have not pushed on since, but Louth if they want to step up to the next level need to believe and prove they can do.
Do Cavan see themselves as being on par with their neighbours in Meath? Kerry will be wounded but are still vulnerable, if Cavan approach it like the Mayo game you never know.
Cork always have the potential to put it up to a big gun, time for them to prove that Cork is the "real capital".
4 division 1 wins it will be then.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on June 16, 2025, 09:22:48 AMIt is easy to argue that the 4 division 1 teams are favourites, especially with 3 at home.
However, we have already seen division 2 teams beating division 1 teams, that gap is not as big as before.
Down are at home and playing well and will make Galway fight for it.
It is Leinster champions against the Ulster champions. Both have not pushed on since, but Louth if they want to step up to the next level need to believe and prove they can do.
Do Cavan see themselves as being on par with their neighbours in Meath? Kerry will be wounded but are still vulnerable, if Cavan approach it like the Mayo game you never know.
Cork always have the potential to put it up to a big gun, time for them to prove that Cork is the "real capital".
4 division 1 wins it will be then.
I actually forgot Down were at home. There is some hope of an upset there.
Anyone care to predict the combined winning margin.
I'm going for 35 points.
Am I right in saying that if they win, Kerry will be through to the QF without playing a single Div 1 team. Whereas Donegal will have played Derry, Monaghan, Armagh, Tyrone and Mayo. Armagh will have played Tyrone, Donegal, Dublin, Galway and Derry.
What's the chances Kerry are undercooked? Wouldn't like to be Cavan next weekend though!
Those games do look predictable, but Galway have a decent trip up to Newry, so there could be an upset there. I doubt it will be straightforward. Likewise if Galway do come through, it will make them that bit more vulnerable in the QF.
From a Tyrone point of view, I'd probably prefer Galway over Dublin for that reason, though Galway probably the better team.
The presumed Kerry v Armagh match will be big.
It's the 2nd teams v the 3rd teams.
You'd expect the 2nd teams to be better.
For all our improvements, I can't see Down having the physical power to compete with Galway. It should pan similar to the Doen Donegal game in Ulster.
I fancy Louth as the best chance of an upset. In that if that fixture was played 10 times, Louth would definitely win one, maybe two. I'm not sure I could say that about the other games. Cork will run Dublin close for 40 mins before bowing out meekly. Cavan might as well send their women's team.
The way this year has gone who knows what might happen next weekend. That said if everything goes to plan that's a huge quarterfinal. Which would you prefer it to three big games in 2 weeks (as Kerry will have) or first big game in 4 weeks as Armagh will have?
Quote from: blanketattack on June 16, 2025, 09:18:14 AMQuote from: Stickittotheman on June 16, 2025, 09:05:07 AMKerry must be the luckiest team on the planet. Always get a good draw. The PQF's look like foregone conclusions without being too disrespectful. All going as most imagine it could leave those through to the Quarters playing Dublin, Kerry, Donegal or Galway. Almost sure Armagh can't play 3 of those so we could be looking at an Armagh v Kerry quarter! Early days yet mind you and the 4 teams who wouldn't be fancied might pull a rabbit out of the hat yet!
Luckiest team on the planet to be facing Armagh in the 1/4s? (If the 4 favourites all win)
Making a quarter final playing Cork, Clare, Roscommon, Meath, Louth and Cavan if they beat them. I would say that is fair lucky when Armagh have played Donegal, Derry, Dublin and Galway.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 16, 2025, 09:11:17 AMThe 4 qualifiers teams look stronger that the 4 table toppers as a quartet. Given u can't get Dublin v Meath, and Armagh v Kerry a def. Then maybe Galway v Monaghan, Donegal v Meath, Tyrone v Dublin.
We can get Dublin and hopefully we do. Only one Meath can't get us Louth should it happen they progress. And maybe Kerry. Dublin v Meath are nearly the guaranteed pick as it will pack out croke park on its own.
Quote from: straightred on June 16, 2025, 09:06:58 AMQuote from: Stickittotheman on June 16, 2025, 09:05:07 AMKerry must be the luckiest team on the planet. Always get a good draw. The PQF's look like foregone conclusions without being too disrespectful. All going as most imagine it could leave those through to the Quarters playing Dublin, Kerry, Donegal or Galway. Almost sure Armagh can't play 3 of those so we could be looking at an Armagh v Kerry quarter! Early days yet mind you and the 4 teams who wouldn't be fancied might pull a rabbit out of the hat yet!
Wouldn't be writing Down off just yet. Despite losing yesterday they're playing well
Down were relegated from Division two and are playing a team that were All Ireland finalists last year. If they turned Galway over it would be a monumental upset.
The pitch in Newry looked very tight on Saturday during Derry, Dublin. Maybe Down posters know better and from limited viewing I wouldn't think that suits the way they play. Galway will overpower them and head west happy.
I can't see upsets in the other games with Dublin, Kerry and Donegal to head through.
If Down did go all the way I presume All Ireland champions do get automatic entry to the following year's competition?
I'd say kerry will play cavan with one eye on armagh. Try a few things and give a few players game time.
Similarly, I'd say geezer will have a few guys down there taking notes. Interesting few weeks ahead
Ah , the old heated balls on the radiator worked a treat this morning
The 4 big guns kept apart. Four inevitable victories ::)
Dublin by 8+
Kerry by 12+
Donegal by 6+
Galway by 2+
Quote from: Stickittotheman on June 16, 2025, 10:21:30 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 16, 2025, 09:18:14 AMQuote from: Stickittotheman on June 16, 2025, 09:05:07 AMKerry must be the luckiest team on the planet. Always get a good draw. The PQF's look like foregone conclusions without being too disrespectful. All going as most imagine it could leave those through to the Quarters playing Dublin, Kerry, Donegal or Galway. Almost sure Armagh can't play 3 of those so we could be looking at an Armagh v Kerry quarter! Early days yet mind you and the 4 teams who wouldn't be fancied might pull a rabbit out of the hat yet!
Luckiest team on the planet to be facing Armagh in the 1/4s? (If the 4 favourites all win)
Making a quarter final playing Cork, Clare, Roscommon, Meath, Louth and Cavan if they beat them. I would say that is fair lucky when Armagh have played Donegal, Derry, Dublin and Galway.
A Meath team who beat them comprehensively?
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 16, 2025, 10:57:57 AMAh , the old heated balls on the radiator worked a treat this morning
The 4 big guns kept apart. Four inevitable victories ::)
Dublin by 8+
Kerry by 12+
Donegal by 6+
Galway by 2+
3 of the 4 big guns were in the same pot
Definitely a dangerous game for us up in Newry. Down are improving and have a lot of pace in their side. That said I watched their game against Monaghan and it's no exaggeration to say that Monaghan could easily have scored 6 or 7 goals had they been a small bit more clinical. Especially when Down tired there was gaping holes in their defence. They are well capable of putting up a big score though with the new rules.
Quote from: An Watcher on June 16, 2025, 10:37:47 AMI'd say kerry will play cavan with one eye on armagh. Try a few things and give a few players game time.
Similarly, I'd say geezer will have a few guys down there taking notes. Interesting few weeks ahead
I reckon Kerry will put on their strongest team and performance possible. You wouldn't want to be goin into an Armagh game after trying out lads - resting players against Meath and Cavan - The team would turn up cold for the big game.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 16, 2025, 10:19:37 AMFor all our improvements, I can't see Down having the physical power to compete with Galway. It should pan similar to the Doen Donegal game in Ulster.
I fancy Louth as the best chance of an upset. In that if that fixture was played 10 times, Louth would definitely win one, maybe two. I'm not sure I could say that about the other games. Cork will run Dublin close for 40 mins before bowing out meekly. Cavan might as well send their women's team.
Wouldn't be Galway if they didn't need the rub of the green to get over the line against a team they are expected to beat comfortably. Westmeath,Sligo last year. Armagh with little to play for, Mayo,Derry already this year.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 16, 2025, 10:57:57 AMAh , the old heated balls on the radiator worked a treat this morning
The 4 big guns kept apart. Four inevitable victories ::)
Dublin by 8+
Kerry by 12+
Donegal by 6+
Galway by 2+
When you're reminded some on the Board haven't a clue. Was two pots with 2nd place teams against 3rd place teams... hence 'kept apart' ::)
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 16, 2025, 12:20:09 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 16, 2025, 10:57:57 AMAh , the old heated balls on the radiator worked a treat this morning
The 4 big guns kept apart. Four inevitable victories ::)
Dublin by 8+
Kerry by 12+
Donegal by 6+
Galway by 2+
When you're reminded some on the Board haven't a clue. Was two pots with 2nd place teams against 3rd place teams... hence 'kept apart' ::)
Looking fwd to Austin's response
Quote from: Aristo 60 on June 16, 2025, 12:26:34 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 16, 2025, 12:20:09 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 16, 2025, 10:57:57 AMAh , the old heated balls on the radiator worked a treat this morning
The 4 big guns kept apart. Four inevitable victories ::)
Dublin by 8+
Kerry by 12+
Donegal by 6+
Galway by 2+
When you're reminded some on the Board haven't a clue. Was two pots with 2nd place teams against 3rd place teams... hence 'kept apart' ::)
Looking fwd to Austin's response
Should I hide? :o
Maybe he was being circastic hard to know. Seen so many this morning say it was rigged...
Are the quarter final permutations known at this point, if Kerry beat Cavan they're playing Armagh??
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 16, 2025, 12:20:09 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 16, 2025, 10:57:57 AMAh , the old heated balls on the radiator worked a treat this morning
The 4 big guns kept apart. Four inevitable victories ::)
Dublin by 8+
Kerry by 12+
Donegal by 6+
Galway by 2+
When you're reminded some on the Board haven't a clue. Was two pots with 2nd place teams against 3rd place teams... hence 'kept apart' ::)
I know. Some f**king idiots parrot posts that others put up the guts of an hour previous too! What f**king goons.
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 16, 2025, 12:20:09 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 16, 2025, 10:57:57 AMAh , the old heated balls on the radiator worked a treat this morning
The 4 big guns kept apart. Four inevitable victories ::)
Dublin by 8+
Kerry by 12+
Donegal by 6+
Galway by 2+
When you're reminded some on the Board haven't a clue. Was two pots with 2nd place teams against 3rd place teams... hence 'kept apart' ::)
Ah sure I was only being 'circastic' ;)
I was aware of the two pots . Just disappointing that none of the big 3 (well, two, Ker/Don ) in first pot didn't draw the big 1 in other pot (Galway )
From what could have been a fairly interesting weekend of football , it's all a bit of a formality now
Jim in his search for a siege mentality drove the Donegal team past the Hyde on Saturday for an overnight stay before driving back up the road for the game on the Sunday, then complains about the venue - he might be a silver fox but bejaysus he doesn't half talk some serious brown
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 16, 2025, 12:36:35 PMAre the quarter final permutations known at this point, if Kerry beat Cavan they're playing Armagh??
if the games go as expected then yes as we cant play donegal/dublin/galway
McGuinness is a moaney aul bollix
Read that myself this morning about mcguinness. Yeah, he's trying to work an angle.
Also armagh fans seem to have gone very quiet all of a sudden. They had a nice wee path sorted to the semi finals until meath fecked it up and now they're realising they're probably going to be playing kerry. While I expect armagh to beat a kerry team playing 3 weeks on the trot it's funny how the best laid plans can come s cropper
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 16, 2025, 01:00:45 PMMcGuinness is a moaney aul bollix
It's all mind games and siege mentality to get an extra edge with his own players - everybody's against us, even the ones making the fixtures.
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 16, 2025, 08:12:54 AMQuote from: Manning18 on June 16, 2025, 01:01:09 AMQuote from: The Boy Wonder on June 15, 2025, 09:05:32 PMLike a lot of neutrals I was disappointed to see Mayo exit the championship - they bring so much to the competition.
Fair play to Donegal with the last play leading to the winner.
They could have kicked the play out of play after the hooter knowing they were through.
Had they taken that option it would have left a very sour taste in the Breffni County.
They've been by far the most turgid of the big teams to watch this year. Every one of their championship games has had under the average number of points this year, some of them significantly so.
The only common denominator there is Mayo. The new rules reward clever and classy forward play and that's something they've always struggled with, even back when they were good
My bitter taste comment referred to the choice that the Donegal player had after the hooter sounded :
- kick the ball over sideline and Mayo qualify
- kick the ball over bar and Cavan qualify.
From a Donegal perspective, kick it over the bar and we (a) beat a tough opponent we haven't beaten in years; (b) knock out an opponent who could easily beat us if we were to meet again.
Moore showed massive respect to Mayo by doing what he did.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on June 16, 2025, 09:22:48 AMDo Cavan see themselves as being on par with their neighbours in Meath? Kerry will be wounded but are still vulnerable, if Cavan approach it like the Mayo game you never know.
Cavan might have felt themselves on a par with Meath after the league, but as usual, when the championship started and the heat turned up, they exposed themselves for the paper tigers they are. Eamon McGee's quote from a few years back, assessing Cavan as all noise but soft-centred foldups when you put it up to them, has never rung truer.
Quote from: An Watcher on June 16, 2025, 01:27:09 PMRead that myself this morning about mcguinness. Yeah, he's trying to work an angle.
Also armagh fans seem to have gone very quiet all of a sudden. They had a nice wee path sorted to the semi finals until meath fecked it up and now they're realising they're probably going to be playing kerry. While I expect armagh to beat a kerry team playing 3 weeks on the trot it's funny how the best laid plans can come s cropper
Armagh's quarter final opponent hasn't been confirmed. While it looks like Kerry at the moment there's not much to talk about it as it has yet to be confirmed.
Quote from: Armamike on June 16, 2025, 01:32:41 PMQuote from: Shamrock Shore on June 16, 2025, 01:00:45 PMMcGuinness is a moaney aul bollix
It's all mind games and siege mentality to get an extra edge with his own players - everybody's against us, even the ones making the fixtures.
It helps when the CCCC chairman aka Roscommon CB chairman is making silly comparisons about the distances the respective supporters had to travel!
But yeah, Jim is obviously just looking for an edge.
I know statto, that's why I said probably. Maybe down will beat galway and armagh will have them in the quarters
Quote from: J70 on June 16, 2025, 01:35:57 PMQuote from: The Boy Wonder on June 16, 2025, 08:12:54 AMQuote from: Manning18 on June 16, 2025, 01:01:09 AMQuote from: The Boy Wonder on June 15, 2025, 09:05:32 PMLike a lot of neutrals I was disappointed to see Mayo exit the championship - they bring so much to the competition.
Fair play to Donegal with the last play leading to the winner.
They could have kicked the play out of play after the hooter knowing they were through.
Had they taken that option it would have left a very sour taste in the Breffni County.
They've been by far the most turgid of the big teams to watch this year. Every one of their championship games has had under the average number of points this year, some of them significantly so.
The only common denominator there is Mayo. The new rules reward clever and classy forward play and that's something they've always struggled with, even back when they were good
My bitter taste comment referred to the choice that the Donegal player had after the hooter sounded :
- kick the ball over sideline and Mayo qualify
- kick the ball over bar and Cavan qualify.
From a Donegal perspective, kick it over the bar and we (a) beat a tough opponent we haven't beaten in years; (b) knock out an opponent who could easily beat us if we were to meet again.
Moore showed massive respect to Mayo by doing what he did.
The new rules are to encourage teams to go and try and win the game, if Moore had just booted the ball out would have loved to have heard Fitzmaurice view on that. Hooter I thought would be a good addition but in tight games last few minutes are hard watch one team just trying to hold the ball rather than get another score.
Well nothing is soft at this stage mayo underestimated Cavan and look what happened,listening to the draw as a Galwayman I was thrilled to get Down but after a bit of reflection I was thinking the mindset of the players may well have them thinking similar,where as a tougher draw would really get players focussed.i hope the experience of previous years will keep them motivated. There is always going to be a shock and this game is the most likely one for it to happen.
Quote from: J70 on June 16, 2025, 01:40:15 PMQuote from: Armamike on June 16, 2025, 01:32:41 PMQuote from: Shamrock Shore on June 16, 2025, 01:00:45 PMMcGuinness is a moaney aul bollix
It's all mind games and siege mentality to get an extra edge with his own players - everybody's against us, even the ones making the fixtures.
It helps when the CCCC chairman aka Roscommon CB chairman is making silly comparisons about the distances the respective supporters had to travel!
But yeah, Jim is obviously just looking for an edge.
He had a point about the distance of supporters but giving out about not finding a hotel in town was a bit much, when they stayed in the nicest hotel in Roscommon (yes it's in Roscommon, despite the Westmeath address), which is only 25 minutes at most from Hyde Park. However, the other grounds were not easy options due to other counties involved over the weekend. The grounds people are amateur volunteers who you can't expect to be stewarting while their county is playing knockout football elsewhere.
Quote from: J70 on June 16, 2025, 01:35:57 PMMoore showed massive respect to Mayo by doing what he did.
The game wasn't over so he kept playing football right to the very end. Nothing more to it. The impact on/fate of Mayo as a result of him simply playing football isn't and should not be his concern.
Is the Hodson Bay nicer than Kilronan castle?
Probably more available plus of course no traffic issues that side.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 16, 2025, 11:43:48 AMDefinitely a dangerous game for us up in Newry. Down are improving and have a lot of pace in their side. That said I watched their game against Monaghan and it's no exaggeration to say that Monaghan could easily have scored 6 or 7 goals had they been a small bit more clinical. Especially when Down tired there was gaping holes in their defence. They are well capable of putting up a big score though with the new rules.
Hopefully your nutritionist gives the Galway players a dose of the scour later this week.
You can take the woman out of Down, but you won't take Down out of the woman.
Kerry v Cavan 3.30pm Saturday
Dublin v cork 6.15pm Saturday
Down v Galway 1.45pm Sunday
Donegal v Louth 4pm Sunday
All on GAA+ :-X
Quote from: gallsman on June 16, 2025, 02:12:29 PMIs the Hodson Bay nicer than Kilronan castle?
It's a nicer drive to the Hyde anyway! Those are very winding narrow roads up in Turlough O'Carolan country.
Quote from: knockitdown on June 16, 2025, 02:23:17 PMKerry v Cavan 3.30pm Saturday
Dublin v cork 6.15pm Saturday
Down v Galway 1.45pm Sunday
Donegal v Louth 4pm Sunday
All on GAA+ :-X
Sure given the whining on here today, nobody will be planning on watching them. No issues.
Quote from: gallsman on June 16, 2025, 02:43:58 PMQuote from: knockitdown on June 16, 2025, 02:23:17 PMKerry v Cavan 3.30pm Saturday
Dublin v cork 6.15pm Saturday
Down v Galway 1.45pm Sunday
Donegal v Louth 4pm Sunday
All on GAA+ :-X
Sure given the whining on here today, nobody will be planning on watching them. No issues.
Is hardly whining to say will be one-sided.. is reality.
All is not lost... Tyrone minors in All Ireland semi-final this week and Tipp-Galway hurling quarter-final
Quote from: An Watcher on June 16, 2025, 01:27:09 PMRead that myself this morning about mcguinness. Yeah, he's trying to work an angle.
Also armagh fans seem to have gone very quiet all of a sudden. They had a nice wee path sorted to the semi finals until meath fecked it up and now they're realising they're probably going to be playing kerry. While I expect armagh to beat a kerry team playing 3 weeks on the trot it's funny how the best laid plans can come s cropper
Yip. One poor performance and it's all over now, power rankings and bookies odds don't matter a shite.
Quote from: An Watcher on June 16, 2025, 01:41:56 PMI know statto, that's why I said probably. Maybe down will beat galway and armagh will have them in the quarters
Don't mind who we get in Q/Final, either way you've to beat your competitors along the way just like last year ... so your point is actually what?
Strange year for teams to be beaten twice and still favourites
Quote from: gallsman on June 16, 2025, 02:10:01 PMQuote from: J70 on June 16, 2025, 01:35:57 PMMoore showed massive respect to Mayo by doing what he did.
The game wasn't over so he kept playing football right to the very end. Nothing more to it. The impact on/fate of Mayo as a result of him simply playing football isn't and should not be his concern.
100%
Quote from: An Watcher on June 16, 2025, 01:27:09 PMRead that myself this morning about mcguinness. Yeah, he's trying to work an angle.
Also armagh fans seem to have gone very quiet all of a sudden. They had a nice wee path sorted to the semi finals until meath fecked it up and now they're realising they're probably going to be playing kerry. While I expect armagh to beat a kerry team playing 3 weeks on the trot it's funny how the best laid plans can come s cropper
Realistically if we're going to win an All Ireland which is obviously the aim, we'd most likely need to beat Kerry at some point. Surely getting them in a quarter final playing 3 weeks on the bounce and with a few injuries is our best chance at beating them. (Assuming the prelims go to script)
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 16, 2025, 01:00:45 PMMcGuinness is a moaney aul bollix
Yes, he just made an idiot of himself.
What hardship , having to stay in the Hudson Bay , 29 minutes down the road from Hyde Park.
Other lies told by him as well. Hyde Park is 35 minutes from the Mayo training ground, he must have an airplane.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on June 16, 2025, 08:10:18 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 16, 2025, 02:35:41 AMQuote from: trileacman on June 15, 2025, 11:00:10 PMWill all the quarter finals be in Croke Park?
Yes. Debate to be had that the same should be done as the Tailteann cup whereby the group winners gets home advantage for the Quarter finals.
Nice idea but not really one for debate. Too many county grounds simply aren't big enough.
Our own ground has a capacity of 18000. You'd have that many Armagh ones looking to be there.
Imagine Louth had a home quarter final, or Meath.
You select your own venue then, something Louth have been doing for a while now.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 16, 2025, 02:57:39 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 16, 2025, 01:27:09 PMRead that myself this morning about mcguinness. Yeah, he's trying to work an angle.
Also armagh fans seem to have gone very quiet all of a sudden. They had a nice wee path sorted to the semi finals until meath fecked it up and now they're realising they're probably going to be playing kerry. While I expect armagh to beat a kerry team playing 3 weeks on the trot it's funny how the best laid plans can come s cropper
Realistically if we're going to win an All Ireland which is obviously the aim, we'd most likely need to beat Kerry at some point. Surely getting them in a quarter final playing 3 weeks on the bounce and with a few injuries is our best chance at beating them. (Assuming the prelims go to script)
My thoughts exactly, prob best time to get them. Armagh shouldn't have a big fear of any team coming out of that group tbh. They seem to be comfortable competing against these big teams at the moment. Shouldn't be any fear facing whoever.
Regarding McGuniness, and to an extent Murphy, who was also feeding that 'hard done by travelling' narrative in his post game MOM interview, Donegal are situated in the top west corner of Ireland. Unfortunately for them, being situated there will result in travelling. Dropping in Inishowen, one of the most northerly points to exaggerate the point is petty stuff altogether.
Armagh are the best team in the competition.
I'd be surprised if they don't go back to back.
Quote from: knockitdown on June 16, 2025, 02:23:17 PMKerry v Cavan 3.30pm Saturday
Dublin v cork 6.15pm Saturday
Down v Galway 1.45pm Sunday
Donegal v Louth 4pm Sunday
All on GAA+ :-X
Assuming that Dublin, Donegal Kerry and Galway win (no disrespect meant, going off the odds)
then the two Saturday
Q/finals will be
Armagh V Kerry
Dublin V ?
Sunday
Q/Finals will be
Donegal V ?
Galway v ?
As Donegal and Galway are playing next Sunday and (Jimmy and PJ will throw some tantrum,(justifiably so ) if they are asked to play six days later
Quote from: snoopdog on June 16, 2025, 04:07:15 PMArmagh are the best team in the competition.
I'd be surprised if they don't go back to back.
Be a fine feat if they manage it. The last Ulster team to win back-to-back All-Ireland Senior Football Championships was your own Down in 1960 and 1961.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 16, 2025, 12:48:49 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 16, 2025, 12:20:09 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 16, 2025, 10:57:57 AMAh , the old heated balls on the radiator worked a treat this morning
The 4 big guns kept apart. Four inevitable victories ::)
Dublin by 8+
Kerry by 12+
Donegal by 6+
Galway by 2+
When you're reminded some on the Board haven't a clue. Was two pots with 2nd place teams against 3rd place teams... hence 'kept apart' ::)
Ah sure I was only being 'circastic' ;)
I was aware of the two pots . Just disappointing that none of the big 3 (well, two, Ker/Don ) in first pot didn't draw the big 1 in other pot (Galway )
From what could have been a fairly interesting weekend of football , it's all a bit of a formality now
Sorry about that I thought you were serious. I seen boys going on other site about a fix as they do after every draw. My bad...
Armagh making a right good defense of their All ireland. Whole lot better than the effort Tyrone made in 2022. They do look the best equipped side to go on and win back to back. They had been knocking on the door for a few years and I would have thought that after winning last year, then may have been off the boil this year. They look to be in decent shape. Still beatable though.
Christ the whinging from Mayo ones is hilarious. Seems like there's a bit of a sense of entitlement there because the media and neutrals feel sorry for them.
Only got a chance to watch the Donegal Mayo game late last night. When was Murphy supposed to be up to all his badness? Did the cameras not pick it up or what?
Quote from: joemamas on June 16, 2025, 04:35:28 PMQuote from: knockitdown on June 16, 2025, 02:23:17 PMKerry v Cavan 3.30pm Saturday
Dublin v cork 6.15pm Saturday
Down v Galway 1.45pm Sunday
Donegal v Louth 4pm Sunday
All on GAA+ :-X
Assuming that Dublin, Donegal Kerry and Galway win (no disrespect meant, going off the odds)
then the two Saturday Q/finals will be
Armagh V Kerry
Dublin V ?
Sunday Q/Finals
will be
Donegal V ?
Galway v ?
As Donegal and Galway are playing next Sunday and (Jimmy and PJ will throw some tantrum,(justifiably so ) if they are asked to play six days later
Yep I think you're correct there, they're likely hamstrung in terms of when Donegal and Galway if they win can play, and Dublin often get that Saturday evening slot
I think you'll see a huge crowd that Saturday and if Dublin drew Meath then an 82k sellout. That potential Sunday won't be as busy but again if you had Meath playing that day it's probably 60k+
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 16, 2025, 04:39:57 PMQuote from: snoopdog on June 16, 2025, 04:07:15 PMArmagh are the best team in the competition.
I'd be surprised if they don't go back to back.
Be a fine feat if they manage it. The last Ulster team to win back-to-back All-Ireland Senior Football Championships was your own Down in 1960 and 1961.
Armagh have been very open at the back and if they lose the midfield battle then some team could give them a bit of a trimming.
Quote from: APM on June 16, 2025, 05:00:14 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 16, 2025, 04:39:57 PMQuote from: snoopdog on June 16, 2025, 04:07:15 PMArmagh are the best team in the competition.
I'd be surprised if they don't go back to back.
Be a fine feat if they manage it. The last Ulster team to win back-to-back All-Ireland Senior Football Championships was your own Down in 1960 and 1961.
Armagh have been very open at the back and if they lose the midfield battle then some team could give them a bit of a trimming.
No doubt about that. Think a lot depends on which defenders we get back in the next few weeks and also fitness of Ben Crealey. Guess Crealey and Grimley is preferred combo but Duffy has impressed me despite not being a natural midfielder.
Quote from: APM on June 16, 2025, 05:00:14 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 16, 2025, 04:39:57 PMQuote from: snoopdog on June 16, 2025, 04:07:15 PMArmagh are the best team in the competition.
I'd be surprised if they don't go back to back.
Be a fine feat if they manage it. The last Ulster team to win back-to-back All-Ireland Senior Football Championships was your own Down in 1960 and 1961.
Armagh have been very open at the back and if they lose the midfield battle then some team could give them a bit of a trimming.
Which of the remaining 12 teams aren't very open at the back when they lose a couple kick outs in a congested area? under these new rules the matches are lopsided towards offensive play and we are getting inflated scorelines.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on June 16, 2025, 04:05:13 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 16, 2025, 02:57:39 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 16, 2025, 01:27:09 PMRead that myself this morning about mcguinness. Yeah, he's trying to work an angle.
Also armagh fans seem to have gone very quiet all of a sudden. They had a nice wee path sorted to the semi finals until meath fecked it up and now they're realising they're probably going to be playing kerry. While I expect armagh to beat a kerry team playing 3 weeks on the trot it's funny how the best laid plans can come s cropper
Realistically if we're going to win an All Ireland which is obviously the aim, we'd most likely need to beat Kerry at some point. Surely getting them in a quarter final playing 3 weeks on the bounce and with a few injuries is our best chance at beating them. (Assuming the prelims go to script)
My thoughts exactly, prob best time to get them. Armagh shouldn't have a big fear of any team coming out of that group tbh. They seem to be comfortable competing against these big teams at the moment. Shouldn't be any fear facing whoever.
Regarding McGuniness, and to an extent Murphy, who was also feeding that 'hard done by travelling' narrative in his post game MOM interview, Donegal are situated in the top west corner of Ireland. Unfortunately for them, being situated there will result in travelling. Dropping in Inishowen, one of the most northerly points to exaggerate the point is petty stuff altogether.
How about Gaoth Dobhair or Glencolmcille?
Quote from: statto on June 16, 2025, 01:43:09 PMQuote from: J70 on June 16, 2025, 01:35:57 PMQuote from: The Boy Wonder on June 16, 2025, 08:12:54 AMQuote from: Manning18 on June 16, 2025, 01:01:09 AMQuote from: The Boy Wonder on June 15, 2025, 09:05:32 PMLike a lot of neutrals I was disappointed to see Mayo exit the championship - they bring so much to the competition.
Fair play to Donegal with the last play leading to the winner.
They could have kicked the play out of play after the hooter knowing they were through.
Had they taken that option it would have left a very sour taste in the Breffni County.
They've been by far the most turgid of the big teams to watch this year. Every one of their championship games has had under the average number of points this year, some of them significantly so.
The only common denominator there is Mayo. The new rules reward clever and classy forward play and that's something they've always struggled with, even back when they were good
My bitter taste comment referred to the choice that the Donegal player had after the hooter sounded :
- kick the ball over sideline and Mayo qualify
- kick the ball over bar and Cavan qualify.
From a Donegal perspective, kick it over the bar and we (a) beat a tough opponent we haven't beaten in years; (b) knock out an opponent who could easily beat us if we were to meet again.
Moore showed massive respect to Mayo by doing what he did.
The new rules are to encourage teams to go and try and win the game, if Moore had just booted the ball out would have loved to have heard Fitzmaurice view on that. Hooter I thought would be a good addition but in tight games last few minutes are hard watch one team just trying to hold the ball rather than get another score.
The new rules do what now? Was there a spate of teams trying to draw matches that I missed under the old rules. If any thing the hooter rule does the exact opposite.
I'd worry about Armagh defensively particularly if MCCambridge injury was bad. That said I don't think Armagh have put two good half's back to back yet. If they do that they could be hard beaten.
Quote from: J70 on June 16, 2025, 06:09:08 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on June 16, 2025, 04:05:13 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 16, 2025, 02:57:39 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 16, 2025, 01:27:09 PMRead that myself this morning about mcguinness. Yeah, he's trying to work an angle.
Also armagh fans seem to have gone very quiet all of a sudden. They had a nice wee path sorted to the semi finals until meath fecked it up and now they're realising they're probably going to be playing kerry. While I expect armagh to beat a kerry team playing 3 weeks on the trot it's funny how the best laid plans can come s cropper
Realistically if we're going to win an All Ireland which is obviously the aim, we'd most likely need to beat Kerry at some point. Surely getting them in a quarter final playing 3 weeks on the bounce and with a few injuries is our best chance at beating them. (Assuming the prelims go to script)
My thoughts exactly, prob best time to get them. Armagh shouldn't have a big fear of any team coming out of that group tbh. They seem to be comfortable competing against these big teams at the moment. Shouldn't be any fear facing whoever.
Regarding McGuniness, and to an extent Murphy, who was also feeding that 'hard done by travelling' narrative in his post game MOM interview, Donegal are situated in the top west corner of Ireland. Unfortunately for them, being situated there will result in travelling. Dropping in Inishowen, one of the most northerly points to exaggerate the point is petty stuff altogether.
How about Gaoth Dobhair or Glencolmcille?
Your point being?
Quote from: David McKeown on June 16, 2025, 07:31:00 PMI'd worry about Armagh defensively particularly if MCCambridge injury was bad. That said I don't think Armagh have put two good half's back to back yet. If they do that they could be hard beaten.
I don't think anyone has put together two good halves yet, at least against the better teams.
Armagh have definitely been the most impressive across the season though and look by far the most injury-proof as a squad.
Quote from: J70 on June 16, 2025, 07:50:17 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 16, 2025, 07:31:00 PMI'd worry about Armagh defensively particularly if MCCambridge injury was bad. That said I don't think Armagh have put two good half's back to back yet. If they do that they could be hard beaten.
I don't think anyone has put together two good halves yet, at least against the better teams.
Armagh have definitely been the most impressive across the season though and look by far the most injury-proof as a squad.
Seem to have a lot of injuries at the minute.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on June 16, 2025, 07:49:33 PMQuote from: J70 on June 16, 2025, 06:09:08 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on June 16, 2025, 04:05:13 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 16, 2025, 02:57:39 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 16, 2025, 01:27:09 PMRead that myself this morning about mcguinness. Yeah, he's trying to work an angle.
Also armagh fans seem to have gone very quiet all of a sudden. They had a nice wee path sorted to the semi finals until meath fecked it up and now they're realising they're probably going to be playing kerry. While I expect armagh to beat a kerry team playing 3 weeks on the trot it's funny how the best laid plans can come s cropper
Realistically if we're going to win an All Ireland which is obviously the aim, we'd most likely need to beat Kerry at some point. Surely getting them in a quarter final playing 3 weeks on the bounce and with a few injuries is our best chance at beating them. (Assuming the prelims go to script)
My thoughts exactly, prob best time to get them. Armagh shouldn't have a big fear of any team coming out of that group tbh. They seem to be comfortable competing against these big teams at the moment. Shouldn't be any fear facing whoever.
Regarding McGuniness, and to an extent Murphy, who was also feeding that 'hard done by travelling' narrative in his post game MOM interview, Donegal are situated in the top west corner of Ireland. Unfortunately for them, being situated there will result in travelling. Dropping in Inishowen, one of the most northerly points to exaggerate the point is petty stuff altogether.
How about Gaoth Dobhair or Glencolmcille?
Your point being?
That the point is not exaggerated. It's a simple fact that a majority of the county has a fairly long trip just to get to Bundoran, never mind Roscommon town.
It's also a simple fact, as you say, that there wasn't much that could be done about it in this particular instance, but if McGuinness thinks he can get some mileage out of his with respect to his team's morale and attitude, he's entitled to do that. Everyone else is equally entitled to call him a moany bollocks!
Quote from: David McKeown on June 16, 2025, 07:56:42 PMQuote from: J70 on June 16, 2025, 07:50:17 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 16, 2025, 07:31:00 PMI'd worry about Armagh defensively particularly if MCCambridge injury was bad. That said I don't think Armagh have put two good half's back to back yet. If they do that they could be hard beaten.
I don't think anyone has put together two good halves yet, at least against the better teams.
Armagh have definitely been the most impressive across the season though and look by far the most injury-proof as a squad.
Seem to have a lot of injuries at the minute.
Maybe, but you're better equipped than anyone else to handle them, hence my point about the squad as a whole (which in retrospect was maybe less clear in meaning than I intended).
Quote from: J70 on June 16, 2025, 07:57:52 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on June 16, 2025, 07:49:33 PMQuote from: J70 on June 16, 2025, 06:09:08 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on June 16, 2025, 04:05:13 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 16, 2025, 02:57:39 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 16, 2025, 01:27:09 PMRead that myself this morning about mcguinness. Yeah, he's trying to work an angle.
Also armagh fans seem to have gone very quiet all of a sudden. They had a nice wee path sorted to the semi finals until meath fecked it up and now they're realising they're probably going to be playing kerry. While I expect armagh to beat a kerry team playing 3 weeks on the trot it's funny how the best laid plans can come s cropper
Realistically if we're going to win an All Ireland which is obviously the aim, we'd most likely need to beat Kerry at some point. Surely getting them in a quarter final playing 3 weeks on the bounce and with a few injuries is our best chance at beating them. (Assuming the prelims go to script)
My thoughts exactly, prob best time to get them. Armagh shouldn't have a big fear of any team coming out of that group tbh. They seem to be comfortable competing against these big teams at the moment. Shouldn't be any fear facing whoever.
Regarding McGuniness, and to an extent Murphy, who was also feeding that 'hard done by travelling' narrative in his post game MOM interview, Donegal are situated in the top west corner of Ireland. Unfortunately for them, being situated there will result in travelling. Dropping in Inishowen, one of the most northerly points to exaggerate the point is petty stuff altogether.
How about Gaoth Dobhair or Glencolmcille?
Your point being?
That the point is not exaggerated. It's a simple fact that a majority of the county has a fairly long trip just to get to Bundoran, never mind Roscommon town.
It's also a simple fact, as you say, that there wasn't much that could be done about it in this particular instance, but if McGuinness thinks he can get some mileage out of his with respect to his team's morale and attitude, he's entitled to do that. Everyone else is equally entitled to call him a moany bollocks!
Donegal is a long county, top to bottom, and any match is a bit of a trek, for north Donegal folk in particular. . But if you go by Mc Guinness's halfish-way geographical logic, most neutral games Donegal play would need to be in Ballyshannon .
It's the worse draw possible for Down but also the worst for Galway, Down at the Marshes will be no walkover for Galway.
Quote from: Main Street on June 16, 2025, 09:50:14 PMIt's the worse draw possible for Down but also the worst for Galway, Down at the Marshes will be no walkover for Galway.
Worst for Galway? As opposed to Kerry or Donegal away? I think Down will give them their fill of it but I'm sure they'd have taken Down out of the options available.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 16, 2025, 07:31:00 PMI'd worry about Armagh defensively particularly if MCCambridge injury was bad. That said I don't think Armagh have put two good half's back to back yet. If they do that they could be hard beaten.
Armagh are easily the best defence left in the championship. I can't think of one better than them.
Quote from: J70 on June 16, 2025, 07:50:17 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 16, 2025, 07:31:00 PMI'd worry about Armagh defensively particularly if MCCambridge injury was bad. That said I don't think Armagh have put two good half's back to back yet. If they do that they could be hard beaten.
I don't think anyone has put together two good halves yet, at least against the better teams.
Armagh have definitely been the most impressive across the season though and look by far the most injury-proof as a squad.
I think Meath put two very good halves against Kerry on sat
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 16, 2025, 09:42:00 PMQuote from: J70 on June 16, 2025, 07:57:52 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on June 16, 2025, 07:49:33 PMQuote from: J70 on June 16, 2025, 06:09:08 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on June 16, 2025, 04:05:13 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 16, 2025, 02:57:39 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 16, 2025, 01:27:09 PMRead that myself this morning about mcguinness. Yeah, he's trying to work an angle.
Also armagh fans seem to have gone very quiet all of a sudden. They had a nice wee path sorted to the semi finals until meath fecked it up and now they're realising they're probably going to be playing kerry. While I expect armagh to beat a kerry team playing 3 weeks on the trot it's funny how the best laid plans can come s cropper
Realistically if we're going to win an All Ireland which is obviously the aim, we'd most likely need to beat Kerry at some point. Surely getting them in a quarter final playing 3 weeks on the bounce and with a few injuries is our best chance at beating them. (Assuming the prelims go to script)
My thoughts exactly, prob best time to get them. Armagh shouldn't have a big fear of any team coming out of that group tbh. They seem to be comfortable competing against these big teams at the moment. Shouldn't be any fear facing whoever.
Regarding McGuniness, and to an extent Murphy, who was also feeding that 'hard done by travelling' narrative in his post game MOM interview, Donegal are situated in the top west corner of Ireland. Unfortunately for them, being situated there will result in travelling. Dropping in Inishowen, one of the most northerly points to exaggerate the point is petty stuff altogether.
How about Gaoth Dobhair or Glencolmcille?
Your point being?
That the point is not exaggerated. It's a simple fact that a majority of the county has a fairly long trip just to get to Bundoran, never mind Roscommon town.
It's also a simple fact, as you say, that there wasn't much that could be done about it in this particular instance, but if McGuinness thinks he can get some mileage out of his with respect to his team's morale and attitude, he's entitled to do that. Everyone else is equally entitled to call him a moany bollocks!
Donegal is a long county, top to bottom, and any match is a bit of a trek, for north Donegal folk in particular. . But if you go by Mc Guinness's halfish-way geographical logic, most neutral games Donegal play would need to be in Ballyshannon .
The only logical way to sort it is to use the respective county grounds as the distance points. Otherwise you can argue about your Inishowens and Blacksods and Clonakilties all day long. Galway with the Aran Islands in fact is probably never going to lose in that argument. Some counties will always be longer and wider than others
In respect of that, Donegal still got the short straw. I can understand why he was annoyed, even outside of him using it as a rallying call. Mayo know the place inside out. I also thought there was a very good explanation back from the GAA after the draw today explaining why all other halfway house venues were out of use
Quote from: Manning18 on June 16, 2025, 10:25:36 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 16, 2025, 09:42:00 PMQuote from: J70 on June 16, 2025, 07:57:52 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on June 16, 2025, 07:49:33 PMQuote from: J70 on June 16, 2025, 06:09:08 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on June 16, 2025, 04:05:13 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 16, 2025, 02:57:39 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 16, 2025, 01:27:09 PMRead that myself this morning about mcguinness. Yeah, he's trying to work an angle.
Also armagh fans seem to have gone very quiet all of a sudden. They had a nice wee path sorted to the semi finals until meath fecked it up and now they're realising they're probably going to be playing kerry. While I expect armagh to beat a kerry team playing 3 weeks on the trot it's funny how the best laid plans can come s cropper
Realistically if we're going to win an All Ireland which is obviously the aim, we'd most likely need to beat Kerry at some point. Surely getting them in a quarter final playing 3 weeks on the bounce and with a few injuries is our best chance at beating them. (Assuming the prelims go to script)
My thoughts exactly, prob best time to get them. Armagh shouldn't have a big fear of any team coming out of that group tbh. They seem to be comfortable competing against these big teams at the moment. Shouldn't be any fear facing whoever.
Regarding McGuniness, and to an extent Murphy, who was also feeding that 'hard done by travelling' narrative in his post game MOM interview, Donegal are situated in the top west corner of Ireland. Unfortunately for them, being situated there will result in travelling. Dropping in Inishowen, one of the most northerly points to exaggerate the point is petty stuff altogether.
How about Gaoth Dobhair or Glencolmcille?
Your point being?
That the point is not exaggerated. It's a simple fact that a majority of the county has a fairly long trip just to get to Bundoran, never mind Roscommon town.
It's also a simple fact, as you say, that there wasn't much that could be done about it in this particular instance, but if McGuinness thinks he can get some mileage out of his with respect to his team's morale and attitude, he's entitled to do that. Everyone else is equally entitled to call him a moany bollocks!
Donegal is a long county, top to bottom, and any match is a bit of a trek, for north Donegal folk in particular. . But if you go by Mc Guinness's halfish-way geographical logic, most neutral games Donegal play would need to be in Ballyshannon .
The only logical way to sort it is to use the respective county grounds as the distance points. Otherwise you can argue about your Inishowens and Blacksods and Clonakilties all day long. Galway with the Aran Islands in fact is probably never going to lose in that argument. Some counties will always be longer and wider than others
In respect of that, Donegal still got the short straw. I can understand why he was annoyed, even outside of him using it as a rallying call. Mayo know the place inside out. I also thought there was a very good explanation back from the GAA after the draw today explaining why all other halfway house venues were out of use
The matches have to be played somewhere. It would have been in Sligo if the pitch wasn't out of action. So one of the 2 teams were gonna be screwed, it just happened to be Donegal. f**k me get over it.
It could have Leitrim but it wouldn't have the capacity of Hyde. Other venues like Breffni or Enniskillen weren't available.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 16, 2025, 10:25:36 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 16, 2025, 09:42:00 PMQuote from: J70 on June 16, 2025, 07:57:52 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on June 16, 2025, 07:49:33 PMQuote from: J70 on June 16, 2025, 06:09:08 PMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on June 16, 2025, 04:05:13 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 16, 2025, 02:57:39 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 16, 2025, 01:27:09 PMRead that myself this morning about mcguinness. Yeah, he's trying to work an angle.
Also armagh fans seem to have gone very quiet all of a sudden. They had a nice wee path sorted to the semi finals until meath fecked it up and now they're realising they're probably going to be playing kerry. While I expect armagh to beat a kerry team playing 3 weeks on the trot it's funny how the best laid plans can come s cropper
Realistically if we're going to win an All Ireland which is obviously the aim, we'd most likely need to beat Kerry at some point. Surely getting them in a quarter final playing 3 weeks on the bounce and with a few injuries is our best chance at beating them. (Assuming the prelims go to script)
My thoughts exactly, prob best time to get them. Armagh shouldn't have a big fear of any team coming out of that group tbh. They seem to be comfortable competing against these big teams at the moment. Shouldn't be any fear facing whoever.
Regarding McGuniness, and to an extent Murphy, who was also feeding that 'hard done by travelling' narrative in his post game MOM interview, Donegal are situated in the top west corner of Ireland. Unfortunately for them, being situated there will result in travelling. Dropping in Inishowen, one of the most northerly points to exaggerate the point is petty stuff altogether.
How about Gaoth Dobhair or Glencolmcille?
Your point being?
That the point is not exaggerated. It's a simple fact that a majority of the county has a fairly long trip just to get to Bundoran, never mind Roscommon town.
It's also a simple fact, as you say, that there wasn't much that could be done about it in this particular instance, but if McGuinness thinks he can get some mileage out of his with respect to his team's morale and attitude, he's entitled to do that. Everyone else is equally entitled to call him a moany bollocks!
Donegal is a long county, top to bottom, and any match is a bit of a trek, for north Donegal folk in particular. . But if you go by Mc Guinness's halfish-way geographical logic, most neutral games Donegal play would need to be in Ballyshannon .
The only logical way to sort it is to use the respective county grounds as the distance points. Otherwise you can argue about your Inishowens and Blacksods and Clonakilties all day long. Galway with the Aran Islands in fact is probably never going to lose in that argument. Some counties will always be longer and wider than others
In respect of that, Donegal still got the short straw. I can understand why he was annoyed, even outside of him using it as a rallying call. Mayo know the place inside out. I also thought there was a very good explanation back from the GAA after the draw today explaining why all other halfway house venues were out of use
Did Kerry not get a shorter straw?
Donegal got the short straw
And pretty much every county in Ireland draws a short straw, when they've to head all the way up there for a league or championship game.
Sometimes being from a remote outpost works in your favour. Sometimes it doesn't. That's just how life goes.
Stop moaning, bitches.
Not an easy draw for Cavan but they have to just go for it. Kerry are vulnerable and it's hard to know if Jack can get more out of this team with the players that they have available.
They'll be fighting for their survival for sure but they really looked unsure of themselves when Meath ran at them, they were retreating or marking space inside the arc watching for runs instead of the man on the ball. Not an easy fix in one week.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 16, 2025, 10:07:48 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 16, 2025, 09:50:14 PMIt's the worse draw possible for Down but also the worst for Galway, Down at the Marshes will be no walkover for Galway.
Worst for Galway? As opposed to Kerry or Donegal away? I think Down will give them their fill of it but I'm sure they'd have taken Down out of the options available.
:) A miswritten post for sure, meant to write - worst for Down, best for Galway but it wont be a walkover.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 16, 2025, 11:05:28 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 16, 2025, 10:25:36 PMThe only logical way to sort it is to use the respective county grounds as the distance points. Otherwise you can argue about your Inishowens and Blacksods and Clonakilties all day long. Galway with the Aran Islands in fact is probably never going to lose in that argument. Some counties will always be longer and wider than others
In respect of that, Donegal still got the short straw. I can understand why he was annoyed, even outside of him using it as a rallying call. Mayo know the place inside out. I also thought there was a very good explanation back from the GAA after the draw today explaining why all other halfway house venues were out of use
Did Kerry not get a shorter straw?
Yes the short straw. They had to go to a place that was south of Mayos ground and to a place where every Mayo player has played countless times. It's the same as bringing Mayo to Celtic Park. Kerry didn't travel north of Meaths ground
Did you not read the rest of my post? I also said there was a very good explaintion for why it was in the Hyde and couldn't be elsewhere. I'm not from Donegal. That response also goes for that other buffoon mindlessly commenting above
Indeed Mayo are still complaining 11 years later about a somewhat halfway venue versus Kerry in Limerick. So they of all counties should understand the Donegal viewpoint. Most have gone into hibernation but a few are on calling Jimmy a whinger ironically
Quote from: Manning18 on June 16, 2025, 11:54:09 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 16, 2025, 11:05:28 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 16, 2025, 10:25:36 PMThe only logical way to sort it is to use the respective county grounds as the distance points. Otherwise you can argue about your Inishowens and Blacksods and Clonakilties all day long. Galway with the Aran Islands in fact is probably never going to lose in that argument. Some counties will always be longer and wider than others
In respect of that, Donegal still got the short straw. I can understand why he was annoyed, even outside of him using it as a rallying call. Mayo know the place inside out. I also thought there was a very good explanation back from the GAA after the draw today explaining why all other halfway house venues were out of use
Did Kerry not get a shorter straw?
Yes the short straw. They had to go to a place that was south of Mayos ground and to a place where every Mayo player has played countless times. It's the same as bringing Mayo to Celtic Park. Kerry didn't travel north of Meaths ground
Did you not read the rest of my post? I also said there was a very good explaintion for why it was in the Hyde and couldn't be elsewhere. I'm not from Donegal. That response also goes for that other buffoon mindlessly commenting above
Indeed Mayo are still complaining 11 years later about a somewhat halfway venue versus Kerry in Limerick. So they of all counties should understand the Donegal viewpoint. Most have gone into hibernation but a few are on calling Jimmy a whinger ironically
Yeah I read it all. Without wanting to prolong the topic , I just was saying Kerry had to travel a lot further than Meath did. Probably further than Donegal.
But that's going to happen given both counties location. You're never going to please everyone given the teams involved last weekend and the grounds available.
Anyway, as Ted once said:.... back to religion....
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 17, 2025, 12:32:17 AMQuote from: Manning18 on June 16, 2025, 11:54:09 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 16, 2025, 11:05:28 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 16, 2025, 10:25:36 PMThe only logical way to sort it is to use the respective county grounds as the distance points. Otherwise you can argue about your Inishowens and Blacksods and Clonakilties all day long. Galway with the Aran Islands in fact is probably never going to lose in that argument. Some counties will always be longer and wider than others
In respect of that, Donegal still got the short straw. I can understand why he was annoyed, even outside of him using it as a rallying call. Mayo know the place inside out. I also thought there was a very good explanation back from the GAA after the draw today explaining why all other halfway house venues were out of use
Did Kerry not get a shorter straw?
Yes the short straw. They had to go to a place that was south of Mayos ground and to a place where every Mayo player has played countless times. It's the same as bringing Mayo to Celtic Park. Kerry didn't travel north of Meaths ground
Did you not read the rest of my post? I also said there was a very good explaintion for why it was in the Hyde and couldn't be elsewhere. I'm not from Donegal. That response also goes for that other buffoon mindlessly commenting above
Indeed Mayo are still complaining 11 years later about a somewhat halfway venue versus Kerry in Limerick. So they of all counties should understand the Donegal viewpoint. Most have gone into hibernation but a few are on calling Jimmy a whinger ironically
Yeah I read it all. Without wanting to prolong the topic , I just was saying Kerry had to travel a lot further than Meath did. Probably further than Donegal.
But that's going to happen given both counties location. You're never going to please everyone given the teams involved last weekend and the grounds available.
Anyway, as Ted once said:.... back to religion....
That's the point I was trying to make, given Donegals location they are more than likely to have to travel further afield than most, the same as those players located further north of the county than south also.
Its the fans I feel sorry for tbh, some spin for the family to follow them.
Back to the games at hand I suppose. Down to cause Galway issues?
Quote from: joemamas on June 06, 2025, 03:29:42 PMQuote from: Maroon Manc on June 05, 2025, 04:08:53 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on June 05, 2025, 04:00:36 PMQuote from: larryin89 on June 05, 2025, 01:19:33 PMIf there's one thing you have to hand to Galway it's the confidence they bring and respect they have from all n sundry whilst doing absolutely nothing . Scrapped by a very average (general feeling not mine ) mayo team in Connacht final
Beaten by the beaten docket of the dubs (again the general feeling )
Scrapped a draw against again not a fancied Derry team .
All this on top of bottling an all Ireland final last year (bottling it , is losing a final when odds on to win it )
Yet they still strut their stuff as if they've won 3 in a row , it's admirable if nothing else . Media never stop fawning over them , it's quite incredible the amount of superlatives have been used to describe each and every Galway player .
It's an awful shame the dubs didn't have their shooting boots on the last day and Con missing was massive too cause Armagh would be all out next day if they needed a result . Find it hard to believe Armagh would be foolish enough to go all out to win a dead rubber now the way it's panned out
. Galway win in that one , Dubs / Derry hard to call .
Donegal and Tyrone victories in our group will see our bucks bow out for the year im afraid . Mayo won't cope with the counter attack speed of Donegal , they'll cut us right open down the centre for 3-18 id guess (4 two pointers ) . Murphy will have a tussle with mcbrien, Murphy will complain to man in black and mcbrien will then receive a red card . Its Murphy's rules out there his receding hairline brings an aura of authority like an old school inspector.
Tyrone were lethargic against Mayo , that one week turnaround is an awful hindrance , they'll easily account for Cavan .
Galway are one lucky devil's of a team. Poxed how they avoided defeat at the weekend which would have knocked them out of the championship and now face Armagh who are already into the last 8. Galway also lucky to win the last two Connacht finals against your lot and All-Ireland series games against Donegal,Dublin last year. Given their luck one can't rule them out in the All-Ireland series, as they say better to born lucky than rich.
As for Mayo, you comfortably beat Tyrone in Omagh can be no excuses not to get at least a draw against Donegal in your home from home venue in Hyde Park.
Aye really lucky, 3 years in a row their reward for winning Connacht was to be drawn in the toughest group. Lost Finnerty 10 minutes into last years final with Walsh & Comer already a shadow of themselves due too injury and their captain Sean Kelly nowhere near fit enough either, so exceptionally lucky!!
TBH
your comments are generally thoughtful and articulate,
IMO last years all Ireland final was a massive screw up by Galway management, starting three players not fully fit and bringing on another who was in similar shape.
I can see why people might think that but I wouldn't be as harsh, Walsh had scored 2 frees against Donegal as had Finnerty and prior to coming off injured Finnerty had scored a free in the final.
Finnerty getting injured was a bigger issue then playing Walsh & Comer. Thompson has come in this year and made a huge impact and Cooke has returned but still think Galway are a bit short in the forwards. Culhane is another player who can't keep fit, plenty in Galway would have hoped he'd have made the same impact Thompson has had but he's has had so many injuries.
On Down its clearly the draw Galway hoped for but lets see what Galway turns up first, Galway have had long periods in the last 2 matches where they've been exceptionally wasteful. Walsh hit 9 points but when they look back at his performance he'll be disappointed it wasn't 12. 3 of the 5 chances he missed were well within his range.
Quote from: Main Street on June 16, 2025, 11:47:03 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 16, 2025, 10:07:48 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 16, 2025, 09:50:14 PMIt's the worse draw possible for Down but also the worst for Galway, Down at the Marshes will be no walkover for Galway.
Worst for Galway? As opposed to Kerry or Donegal away? I think Down will give them their fill of it but I'm sure they'd have taken Down out of the options available.
:) A miswritten post for sure, meant to write - worst for Down, best for Galway but it wont be a walkover.
It is a good fixture for Galway considering that Kerry and Donegal were possible opposition. The 4 pre quarter finals are division 1 versus division 2 fixtures.
Should Galway prevail over Down and the other 3 fancied counties go through, i think the players left standing for Galway would likely be meeting Monaghan in the quarters.
Down are evidently progressing. In the latter part of the 2nd half v Monaghan they were responding in kind, on the attack just 2 points behind and they get pulled up by the ref for a costly 2 point infringement. Nothing went right for Down in the last 1/4 except the gifted free awarded for O'Toole's non-foul, whereas everything else went right for Monaghan. IMO it could easily have been a one point game which could have gone either way.
Quote from: Main Street on June 17, 2025, 03:28:53 PMShould Galway prevail over Down and the other 3 fancied counties go through, i think the players left standing for Galway would likely be meeting Monaghan in the quarters.
Down are evidently progressing. In the latter part of the 2nd half v Monaghan they were responding in kind, on the attack just 2 points behind and they get pulled up by the ref for a costly 2 point infringement. Nothing went right for Down in the last 1/4 except the gifted free awarded for O'Toole's non-foul, whereas everything else went right for Monaghan. IMO it could easily have been a one point game which could have gone either way.
Why do you think the theoretical quarter final would be Galway versus Monaghan?
Quote from: greatpoint on June 16, 2025, 04:58:02 PMChrist the whinging from Mayo ones is hilarious. Seems like there's a bit of a sense of entitlement there because the media and neutrals feel sorry for them.
Only got a chance to watch the Donegal Mayo game late last night. When was Murphy supposed to be up to all his badness? Did the cameras not pick it up or what?
Were people just making things up then?
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2025, 04:13:44 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 17, 2025, 03:28:53 PMShould Galway prevail over Down and the other 3 fancied counties go through, i think the players left standing for Galway would likely be meeting Monaghan in the quarters.
Down are evidently progressing. In the latter part of the 2nd half v Monaghan they were responding in kind, on the attack just 2 points behind and they get pulled up by the ref for a costly 2 point infringement. Nothing went right for Down in the last 1/4 except the gifted free awarded for O'Toole's non-foul, whereas everything else went right for Monaghan. IMO it could easily have been a one point game which could have gone either way.
Why do you think the theoretical quarter final would be Galway versus Monaghan?
A theoretical set of qf pairings
Armagh (can only) v Kerry
that leaves 3 pairs
Meath v Donegal (who have already played Monaghan and Tyrone)
Galway have already played Dublin
therefore Monaghan v Galway
and Dublin v Tyrone
Are there any other possibilities should the fancied 4 go through?
Possibly the Monaghan Donegal previous game doesn't count
Almost certain that it's only provincial finals and group games that can't happen again in quarters. So Monaghan/Donegal and Meath/Dublin are possible
Quote from: Schkite on June 17, 2025, 04:54:21 PMAlmost certain that it's only provincial finals and group games that can't happen again in quarters. So Monaghan/Donegal and Meath/Dublin are possible
Yeah that's my understanding as well.
Quote from: galwayman on June 17, 2025, 04:55:26 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 17, 2025, 04:54:21 PMAlmost certain that it's only provincial finals and group games that can't happen again in quarters. So Monaghan/Donegal and Meath/Dublin are possible
Yeah that's my understanding as well.
Yeah thats correct
I didn't know where the GAA hid the format, what are the other possibilities should the big 4 get through this round.
Quote from: trileacman on June 16, 2025, 10:24:24 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 16, 2025, 07:31:00 PMI'd worry about Armagh defensively particularly if MCCambridge injury was bad. That said I don't think Armagh have put two good half's back to back yet. If they do that they could be hard beaten.
Armagh are easily the best defence left in the championship. I can't think of one better than them.
I'm not sure I agree. McKay is a big miss as Will McCambrdige and Burns be if they aren't able to return. I'd play McCormack ahead of McGrane but that may be my club loyalty showing
Am I right?
Meath can't play Kerry, Cork or Louth
Tyrone can't play Donegal or Cavan
Monaghan can't play Louth or Down
Armagh can't play Donegal, Galway or Dublin.
Quote from: Main Street on June 17, 2025, 06:12:49 PMI didn't know where the GAA hid the format, what are the other possibilities should the big 4 get through this round.
Percentage liklihood for us.
46% Donegal, 24% Dublin, 23% Galway,5% Kerry, 2% Cork
Quote from: Rossfan on June 17, 2025, 06:55:22 PMAm I right?
Meath can't play Kerry, Cork or Louth
Tyrone can't play Donegal or Cavan
Monaghan can't play Louth or Down
Armagh can't play Donegal, Galway or Dublin.
Yes. You can't play a team from your group or a team you played in the provincial final unless it's unavoidable
Quote from: David McKeown on June 17, 2025, 06:54:05 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 16, 2025, 10:24:24 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 16, 2025, 07:31:00 PMI'd worry about Armagh defensively particularly if MCCambridge injury was bad. That said I don't think Armagh have put two good half's back to back yet. If they do that they could be hard beaten.
Armagh are easily the best defence left in the championship. I can't think of one better than them.
I'm not sure I agree. McKay is a big miss as Will McCambrdige and Burns be if they aren't able to return. I'd play McCormack ahead of McGrane but that may be my club loyalty showing
Mc Cambridge will be fine
Think down could surprise a lot
Armagh / down quarter final would be some buzz
Quote from: David McKeown on June 17, 2025, 06:54:05 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 16, 2025, 10:24:24 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 16, 2025, 07:31:00 PMI'd worry about Armagh defensively particularly if MCCambridge injury was bad. That said I don't think Armagh have put two good half's back to back yet. If they do that they could be hard beaten.
Armagh are easily the best defence left in the championship. I can't think of one better than them.
I'm not sure I agree. McKay is a big miss as Will McCambrdige and Burns be if they aren't able to return. I'd play McCormack ahead of McGrane but that may be my club loyalty showing
I thought McKay would have got minutes at the weekend.
Burns was hooked because of the card I thought rather than injury, read also that McCambridge was only precautionary and should be back. Agree on McCormack.
Doing my calculations if games go as expected Meath can draw either Dublin or Donegal can't draw Kerry, cork or Louth. And I right in that ?
Quote from: galwayman on June 17, 2025, 04:55:26 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 17, 2025, 04:54:21 PMAlmost certain that it's only provincial finals and group games that can't happen again in quarters. So Monaghan/Donegal and Meath/Dublin are possible
Yeah that's my understanding as well.
correct
Last pre- QF would be over around 6pm Sunday evening. Why cant they do the draw straight away? On the 6:01 news, or the Sunday game or whatever? I mean , it's only 8 balls in a bag for frig sake
It's a quick turnaround, so the sooner it's done , the sooner people can make plans
Quote from: Rossfan on June 17, 2025, 06:55:22 PMAm I right?
Meath can't play Kerry, Cork or Louth
Tyrone can't play Donegal or Cavan
Monaghan can't play Louth or Down
Armagh can't play Donegal, Galway or Dublin.
100% correct
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 17, 2025, 10:38:31 PMLast pre- QF would be over around 6pm Sunday evening. Why cant they do the draw straight away? On the 6:01 news, or the Sunday game or whatever? I mean , it's only 8 balls in a bag for frig sake
It's a quick turnaround, so the sooner it's done , the sooner people can make plans
Need time for the radiator to heat up.
Quote from: BigGreenField on June 17, 2025, 10:43:59 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 17, 2025, 10:38:31 PMLast pre- QF would be over around 6pm Sunday evening. Why cant they do the draw straight away? On the 6:01 news, or the Sunday game or whatever? I mean , it's only 8 balls in a bag for frig sake
It's a quick turnaround, so the sooner it's done , the sooner people can make plans
Need time for the radiator to heat up.
Of course! Never thought of that ;D
Quote from: David McKeown on June 17, 2025, 07:08:49 PMQuote from: Rossfan on June 17, 2025, 06:55:22 PMAm I right?
Meath can't play Kerry, Cork or Louth
Tyrone can't play Donegal or Cavan
Monaghan can't play Louth or Down
Armagh can't play Donegal, Galway or Dublin.
Yes. You can't play a team from your group or a team you played in the provincial final unless it's unavoidable
if the fancied 4 go through, then
Armagh v Kerry
Tyrone will play one of Dublin or Galway
Meath v Dublin/Galway or Donegal
Monaghan v last team standing
so its 50/50 that Monaghan meet either Donegal or one of Dublin/Galway.
It is very difficult to really judge Tally on the season. On paper, ok no victories but there were some signs that the team can still be dangerous. I dont see him being the man to win an Ulster or reach an All Ireland final. Tactically he is a level or two below the real elite managers.
In saying all that any team with McCluskey, McEvoy, McKinless, Glass, Rogers, McFaul, E.Doherty and McGuigan can be a threat to anyone on their day.
Is it worth persevering with Tally for another year? Well the real question should be- after the disastrous managerial hunt last year can we really do any better???
Sorry wrong thread.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 17, 2025, 06:54:05 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 16, 2025, 10:24:24 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 16, 2025, 07:31:00 PMI'd worry about Armagh defensively particularly if MCCambridge injury was bad. That said I don't think Armagh have put two good half's back to back yet. If they do that they could be hard beaten.
Armagh are easily the best defence left in the championship. I can't think of one better than them.
I'm not sure I agree. McKay is a big miss as Will McCambrdige and Burns be if they aren't able to return. I'd play McCormack ahead of McGrane but that may be my club loyalty showing
Is Burns injured too? Didn't know that.
Quote from: Stickittotheman on June 17, 2025, 11:13:03 PMIt is very difficult to really judge Tally on the season. On paper, ok no victories but there were some signs that the team can still be dangerous. I dont see him being the man to win an Ulster or reach an All Ireland final. Tactically he is a level or two below the real elite managers.
In saying all that any team with McCluskey, McEvoy, McKinless, Glass, Rogers, McFaul, E.Doherty and McGuigan can be a threat to anyone on their day.
Is it worth persevering with Tally for another year? Well the real question should be- after the disastrous managerial hunt last year can we really do any better???
As Tally said himself they played 13 times this year and every time it was against Div 1 teams. They've been desperately unlucky. Kerry and Tyrone's record against Div 1 teams this year isn't much to write home about. They'd be mad to ditch Tally if he wants to stay on.
Monaghan are in an AI QF. Have they beat any Div 1 teams? Louth won a Leinster without beating any Div 1 teams.
Quote from: trileacman on June 17, 2025, 11:56:34 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 17, 2025, 06:54:05 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 16, 2025, 10:24:24 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 16, 2025, 07:31:00 PMI'd worry about Armagh defensively particularly if MCCambridge injury was bad. That said I don't think Armagh have put two good half's back to back yet. If they do that they could be hard beaten.
Armagh are easily the best defence left in the championship. I can't think of one better than them.
I'm not sure I agree. McKay is a big miss as Will McCambrdige and Burns be if they aren't able to return. I'd play McCormack ahead of McGrane but that may be my club loyalty showing
Is Burns injured too? Didn't know that.
They both limped off so I think it's hoped they'll be ok but you never know. I had read that McKay highly unlikely to feature this year but others were expecting him back this past weekend so hard to know.
Quote from: trileacman on June 18, 2025, 12:02:18 AMQuote from: Stickittotheman on June 17, 2025, 11:13:03 PMIt is very difficult to really judge Tally on the season. On paper, ok no victories but there were some signs that the team can still be dangerous. I dont see him being the man to win an Ulster or reach an All Ireland final. Tactically he is a level or two below the real elite managers.
In saying all that any team with McCluskey, McEvoy, McKinless, Glass, Rogers, McFaul, E.Doherty and McGuigan can be a threat to anyone on their day.
Is it worth persevering with Tally for another year? Well the real question should be- after the disastrous managerial hunt last year can we really do any better???
As Tally said himself they played 13 times this year and every time it was against Div 1 teams. They've been desperately unlucky. Kerry and Tyrone's record against Div 1 teams this year isn't much to write home about. They'd be mad to ditch Tally if he wants to stay on.
Monaghan are in an AI QF. Have they beat any Div 1 teams? Louth won a Leinster without beating any Div 1 teams.
Good spiel well made
I think Tally is of the Gallagher mould when it comes to mgmt, top tier coach and more than capable as a lead man, the margins are razor thin and he'd come in late etc, would expect a better showing next year if the squad buys in, but ultimately long term Derry need to wise the f**k up and find a Derry man to take the reigns
People need to stop bringing Div 1 teams and Div 2 teams to make a point. The last two All Ireland champions was won by teams that played their spring football in Div 2 and Derry reached back to back All Ireland semi finals having played in Div 2 both years. It's a last 16 now down to the last 12. There isn't much of gap if any at all between those battling relegation in Division 1 and those pushing for promotion to Div 1.
Would be nice to see a shock or two this weekend but the 4 favourites Donegal,Galway,Dublin,Kerry should win, what shape they'll be in for the following week against a rested Monaghan,Meath,Tyrone,Armagh remains to be seen.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2025, 12:43:34 AMQuote from: trileacman on June 17, 2025, 11:56:34 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 17, 2025, 06:54:05 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 16, 2025, 10:24:24 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 16, 2025, 07:31:00 PMI'd worry about Armagh defensively particularly if MCCambridge injury was bad. That said I don't think Armagh have put two good half's back to back yet. If they do that they could be hard beaten.
Armagh are easily the best defence left in the championship. I can't think of one better than them.
I'm not sure I agree. McKay is a big miss as Will McCambrdige and Burns be if they aren't able to return. I'd play McCormack ahead of McGrane but that may be my club loyalty showing
Is Burns injured too? Didn't know that.
They both limped off so I think it's hoped they'll be ok but you never know. I had read that McKay highly unlikely to feature this year but others were expecting him back this past weekend so hard to know.
I thought Burns was taken off due to the card. God help us against that Kerry forward line if those 2 are out. McKay was on the 26 last week so must be close.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 02:08:57 AMPeople need to stop bringing Div 1 teams and Div 2 teams to make a point. The last two All Ireland champions was won by teams that played their spring football in Div 2 and Derry reached back to back All Ireland semi finals having played in Div 2 both years. It's a last 16 now down to the last 12. There isn't much of gap if any at all between those battling relegation in Division 1 and those pushing for promotion to Div 1.
Would be nice to see a shock or two this weekend but the 4 favourites Donegal,Galway,Dublin,Kerry should win, what shape they'll be in for the following week against a rested Monaghan,Meath,Tyrone,Armagh remains to be seen.
;D
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 02:08:57 AMPeople need to stop bringing Div 1 teams and Div 2 teams to make a point. The last two All Ireland champions was won by teams that played their spring football in Div 2 and Derry reached back to back All Ireland semi finals having played in Div 2 both years. It's a last 16 now down to the last 12. There isn't much of gap if any at all between those battling relegation in Division 1 and those pushing for promotion to Div 1.
Would be nice to see a shock or two this weekend but the 4 favourites Donegal,Galway,Dublin,Kerry should win, what shape they'll be in for the following week against a rested Monaghan,Meath,Tyrone,Armagh remains to be seen.
Nobody at the start of the championship would have predicted those 4 sides to be in the prelim quarters. Football can be hard to predict!
Kerry v Cavan, Kerry by 9 pts
Dublin v Cork, Dublin by 3 pts
Down v Galway, Down by 1 pt
Donegal v Louth, Donegal by 5 pts
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 18, 2025, 07:21:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2025, 12:43:34 AMQuote from: trileacman on June 17, 2025, 11:56:34 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 17, 2025, 06:54:05 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 16, 2025, 10:24:24 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 16, 2025, 07:31:00 PMI'd worry about Armagh defensively particularly if MCCambridge injury was bad. That said I don't think Armagh have put two good half's back to back yet. If they do that they could be hard beaten.
Armagh are easily the best defence left in the championship. I can't think of one better than them.
I'm not sure I agree. McKay is a big miss as Will McCambrdige and Burns be if they aren't able to return. I'd play McCormack ahead of McGrane but that may be my club loyalty showing
Is Burns injured too? Didn't know that.
They both limped off so I think it's hoped they'll be ok but you never know. I had read that McKay highly unlikely to feature this year but others were expecting him back this past weekend so hard to know.
I thought Burns was taken off due to the card. God help us against that Kerry forward line if those 2 are out. McKay was on the 26 last week so must be close.
Well he was limping going off and after the match although he didn't have any viable strapping or the like.
Quote from: Orior on June 18, 2025, 02:45:49 PMKerry v Cavan, Kerry by 9 pts
Dublin v Cork, Dublin by 3 pts
Down v Galway, Down by 1 pt
Donegal v Louth, Donegal by 5 pts
Hope this is true
Amazing to see the difference in the opinion of Down now and a month back..
When Donegal put us out of Ulster, the only talk was about what Donegal did wrong so we were able to get anywhere near them..
Quote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2025, 03:55:03 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 18, 2025, 07:21:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2025, 12:43:34 AMQuote from: trileacman on June 17, 2025, 11:56:34 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 17, 2025, 06:54:05 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 16, 2025, 10:24:24 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 16, 2025, 07:31:00 PMI'd worry about Armagh defensively particularly if MCCambridge injury was bad. That said I don't think Armagh have put two good half's back to back yet. If they do that they could be hard beaten.
Armagh are easily the best defence left in the championship. I can't think of one better than them.
I'm not sure I agree. McKay is a big miss as Will McCambrdige and Burns be if they aren't able to return. I'd play McCormack ahead of McGrane but that may be my club loyalty showing
Is Burns injured too? Didn't know that.
They both limped off so I think it's hoped they'll be ok but you never know. I had read that McKay highly unlikely to feature this year but others were expecting him back this past weekend so hard to know.
I thought Burns was taken off due to the card. God help us against that Kerry forward line if those 2 are out. McKay was on the 26 last week so must be close.
Well he was limping going off and after the match although he didn't have any viable strapping or the like.
Soupy out for the season too I understand.
Be surprised in McKernan lines out for Tyrone again this year. Looked sore going off. Then again same fella would try and play through any pain.
Quote from: Armamike on June 18, 2025, 09:32:51 AMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 02:08:57 AMPeople need to stop bringing Div 1 teams and Div 2 teams to make a point. The last two All Ireland champions was won by teams that played their spring football in Div 2 and Derry reached back to back All Ireland semi finals having played in Div 2 both years. It's a last 16 now down to the last 12. There isn't much of gap if any at all between those battling relegation in Division 1 and those pushing for promotion to Div 1.
Would be nice to see a shock or two this weekend but the 4 favourites Donegal,Galway,Dublin,Kerry should win, what shape they'll be in for the following week against a rested Monaghan,Meath,Tyrone,Armagh remains to be seen.
Nobody at the start of the championship would have predicted those 4 sides to be in the prelim quarters. Football can be hard to predict!
You wouldn't many probably expected that four to be group winners. Real open championship with 2010 vibes off it when we got four All Ireland semi finalists that didn't win their provincial championship that summer.
For the same to happen this year Tyrone,Monaghan,Armagh,Dublin to reach the last 4?
Quote from: JoG2 on June 18, 2025, 07:41:37 AMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 02:08:57 AMPeople need to stop bringing Div 1 teams and Div 2 teams to make a point. The last two All Ireland champions was won by teams that played their spring football in Div 2 and Derry reached back to back All Ireland semi finals having played in Div 2 both years. It's a last 16 now down to the last 12. There isn't much of gap if any at all between those battling relegation in Division 1 and those pushing for promotion to Div 1.
Would be nice to see a shock or two this weekend but the 4 favourites Donegal,Galway,Dublin,Kerry should win, what shape they'll be in for the following week against a rested Monaghan,Meath,Tyrone,Armagh remains to be seen.
;D
2 weeks of rest aren't going to make much difference to Meath or Monaghan.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2025, 04:07:36 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2025, 03:55:03 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 18, 2025, 07:21:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2025, 12:43:34 AMQuote from: trileacman on June 17, 2025, 11:56:34 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 17, 2025, 06:54:05 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 16, 2025, 10:24:24 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 16, 2025, 07:31:00 PMI'd worry about Armagh defensively particularly if MCCambridge injury was bad. That said I don't think Armagh have put two good half's back to back yet. If they do that they could be hard beaten.
Armagh are easily the best defence left in the championship. I can't think of one better than them.
I'm not sure I agree. McKay is a big miss as Will McCambrdige and Burns be if they aren't able to return. I'd play McCormack ahead of McGrane but that may be my club loyalty showing
Is Burns injured too? Didn't know that.
They both limped off so I think it's hoped they'll be ok but you never know. I had read that McKay highly unlikely to feature this year but others were expecting him back this past weekend so hard to know.
I thought Burns was taken off due to the card. God help us against that Kerry forward line if those 2 are out. McKay was on the 26 last week so must be close.
Well he was limping going off and after the match although he didn't have any viable strapping or the like.
Soupy out for the season too I understand.
Heard earlier he will be grand. Rumour mill lol.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 18, 2025, 04:38:41 PMQuote from: Armamike on June 18, 2025, 09:32:51 AMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 02:08:57 AMPeople need to stop bringing Div 1 teams and Div 2 teams to make a point. The last two All Ireland champions was won by teams that played their spring football in Div 2 and Derry reached back to back All Ireland semi finals having played in Div 2 both years. It's a last 16 now down to the last 12. There isn't much of gap if any at all between those battling relegation in Division 1 and those pushing for promotion to Div 1.
Would be nice to see a shock or two this weekend but the 4 favourites Donegal,Galway,Dublin,Kerry should win, what shape they'll be in for the following week against a rested Monaghan,Meath,Tyrone,Armagh remains to be seen.
Nobody at the start of the championship would have predicted those 4 sides to be in the prelim quarters. Football can be hard to predict!
You wouldn't many probably expected that four to be group winners. Real open championship with 2010 vibes off it when we got four All Ireland semi finalists that didn't win their provincial championship that summer.
For the same to happen this year Tyrone,Monaghan,Armagh,Dublin to reach the last 4?
That'd be fairly possible
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 05:42:24 PM2 weeks of rest aren't going to make much difference to Meath or Monaghan.
Disagree. The rest will give both a better chance of winning their All Ireland quarter than if they had three matches in consecutive weekends and then playing a rested opponent.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 18, 2025, 05:49:06 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2025, 04:07:36 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2025, 03:55:03 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 18, 2025, 07:21:29 AMQuote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2025, 12:43:34 AMQuote from: trileacman on June 17, 2025, 11:56:34 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 17, 2025, 06:54:05 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 16, 2025, 10:24:24 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 16, 2025, 07:31:00 PMI'd worry about Armagh defensively particularly if MCCambridge injury was bad. That said I don't think Armagh have put two good half's back to back yet. If they do that they could be hard beaten.
Armagh are easily the best defence left in the championship. I can't think of one better than them.
I'm not sure I agree. McKay is a big miss as Will McCambrdige and Burns be if they aren't able to return. I'd play McCormack ahead of McGrane but that may be my club loyalty showing
Is Burns injured too? Didn't know that.
They both limped off so I think it's hoped they'll be ok but you never know. I had read that McKay highly unlikely to feature this year but others were expecting him back this past weekend so hard to know.
I thought Burns was taken off due to the card. God help us against that Kerry forward line if those 2 are out. McKay was on the 26 last week so must be close.
Well he was limping going off and after the match although he didn't have any viable strapping or the like.
Soupy out for the season too I understand.
Heard earlier he will be grand. Rumour mill lol.
When I saw him he had a cast on so who knows
Quote from: Stickittotheman on June 17, 2025, 11:13:03 PMIt is very difficult to really judge Tally on the season. On paper, ok no victories but there were some signs that the team can still be dangerous. I dont see him being the man to win an Ulster or reach an All Ireland final. Tactically he is a level or two below the real elite managers.
In saying all that any team with McCluskey, McEvoy, McKinless, Glass, Rogers, McFaul, E.Doherty and McGuigan can be a threat to anyone on their day.
Is it worth persevering with Tally for another year? Well the real question should be- after the disastrous managerial hunt last year can we really do any better???
Depends on what the Derry players want?
Last year under Mickey Harte Derry topped the Division one table, won the league final/title and in the championship reached the All Ireland Quarter final. This year a big regression under Tally finished bottom of Division one table without winning a game and championship a group stage exit.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 08:11:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 05:42:24 PM2 weeks of rest aren't going to make much difference to Meath or Monaghan.
Disagree. The rest will give both a better chance of winning their All Ireland quarter than if they had three matches in consecutive weekends and then playing a rested opponent.
Agree, the pace of the "new game" is not comparable to what went before where teams could keep a possession for two minutes at a time, passing back and forth between the 50's.
If any of the winners of next weekend are involved in a close game, i.e. down to last five minutes, you would feel it will have to have some impact in a game a week later on a pitch like croke park, especially as they have gone through a very difficult games this past weekend.
Quote from: joemamas on June 18, 2025, 08:42:04 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 08:11:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 05:42:24 PM2 weeks of rest aren't going to make much difference to Meath or Monaghan.
Disagree. The rest will give both a better chance of winning their All Ireland quarter than if they had three matches in consecutive weekends and then playing a rested opponent.
Agree, the pace of the "new game" is not comparable to what went before where teams could keep a possession for two minutes at a time, passing back and forth between the 50's.
If any of the winners of next weekend are involved in a close game, i.e. down to last five minutes, you would feel it will have to have some impact in a game a week later on a pitch like croke park, especially as they have gone through a very difficult games this past weekend.
100% although it's unlikely that any of the prelims go down to the wire. Hopefully at least 1 of the underdogs can run it close
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 08:11:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 05:42:24 PM2 weeks of rest aren't going to make much difference to Meath or Monaghan.
Disagree. The rest will give both a better chance of winning their All Ireland quarter than if they had three matches in consecutive weekends and then playing a rested opponent.
Neither Meath nor Monaghan are weapons grade. They won't get anywhere near Sam.
Quote from: Main Street on June 17, 2025, 04:31:38 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 17, 2025, 04:13:44 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 17, 2025, 03:28:53 PMShould Galway prevail over Down and the other 3 fancied counties go through, i think the players left standing for Galway would likely be meeting Monaghan in the quarters.
Down are evidently progressing. In the latter part of the 2nd half v Monaghan they were responding in kind, on the attack just 2 points behind and they get pulled up by the ref for a costly 2 point infringement. Nothing went right for Down in the last 1/4 except the gifted free awarded for O'Toole's non-foul, whereas everything else went right for Monaghan. IMO it could easily have been a one point game which could have gone either way.
Why do you think the theoretical quarter final would be Galway versus Monaghan?
A theoretical set of qf pairings
Armagh (can only) v Kerry
that leaves 3 pairs
Meath v Donegal (who have already played Monaghan and Tyrone)
Galway have already played Dublin
therefore Monaghan v Galway
and Dublin v Tyrone
Are there any other possibilities should the fancied 4 go through?
Possibly the Monaghan Donegal previous game doesn't count
GRMA
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 09:20:29 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 17, 2025, 04:31:38 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 17, 2025, 04:13:44 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 17, 2025, 03:28:53 PMShould Galway prevail over Down and the other 3 fancied counties go through, i think the players left standing for Galway would likely be meeting Monaghan in the quarters.
Down are evidently progressing. In the latter part of the 2nd half v Monaghan they were responding in kind, on the attack just 2 points behind and they get pulled up by the ref for a costly 2 point infringement. Nothing went right for Down in the last 1/4 except the gifted free awarded for O'Toole's non-foul, whereas everything else went right for Monaghan. IMO it could easily have been a one point game which could have gone either way.
Why do you think the theoretical quarter final would be Galway versus Monaghan?
A theoretical set of qf pairings
Armagh (can only) v Kerry
that leaves 3 pairs
Meath v Donegal (who have already played Monaghan and Tyrone)
Galway have already played Dublin
therefore Monaghan v Galway
and Dublin v Tyrone
Are there any other possibilities should the fancied 4 go through?
Possibly the Monaghan Donegal previous game doesn't count
GRMA
Monaghan V Donegal game doesn't count so they could meet in the quarter finals
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 09:18:22 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 08:11:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 05:42:24 PM2 weeks of rest aren't going to make much difference to Meath or Monaghan.
Disagree. The rest will give both a better chance of winning their All Ireland quarter than if they had three matches in consecutive weekends and then playing a rested opponent.
Neither Meath nor Monaghan are weapons grade. They won't get anywhere near Sam.
I think they'll be very hard stopped. How many teams have ever beaten Dublin and Kerry in the one year? Us in 02 and Tyrone in one of their years? Not too many more I'd say. Neither of those will fear anyone coming through that prelim draw.
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 09:18:22 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 08:11:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 05:42:24 PM2 weeks of rest aren't going to make much difference to Meath or Monaghan.
Disagree. The rest will give both a better chance of winning their All Ireland quarter than if they had three matches in consecutive weekends and then playing a rested opponent.
Neither Meath nor Monaghan are weapons grade. They won't get anywhere near Sam.
If I was to read back I bet you were saying something similar about Armagh this time last year, after all Armagh back then hadn't reached All Ireland semi final for 19 years.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2025, 09:29:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 09:20:29 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 17, 2025, 04:31:38 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 17, 2025, 04:13:44 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 17, 2025, 03:28:53 PMShould Galway prevail over Down and the other 3 fancied counties go through, i think the players left standing for Galway would likely be meeting Monaghan in the quarters.
Down are evidently progressing. In the latter part of the 2nd half v Monaghan they were responding in kind, on the attack just 2 points behind and they get pulled up by the ref for a costly 2 point infringement. Nothing went right for Down in the last 1/4 except the gifted free awarded for O'Toole's non-foul, whereas everything else went right for Monaghan. IMO it could easily have been a one point game which could have gone either way.
Why do you think the theoretical quarter final would be Galway versus Monaghan?
A theoretical set of qf pairings
Armagh (can only) v Kerry
that leaves 3 pairs
Meath v Donegal (who have already played Monaghan and Tyrone)
Galway have already played Dublin
therefore Monaghan v Galway
and Dublin v Tyrone
Are there any other possibilities should the fancied 4 go through?
Possibly the Monaghan Donegal previous game doesn't count
GRMA
Monaghan V Donegal game doesn't count so they could meet in the quarter finals
The pairing possibilities were already sorted in a post last night (https://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?msg=2346619)
Though I fancy Down have the wherewithal to pull off an upset against Galway.
Quote from: Main Street on June 18, 2025, 10:22:41 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2025, 09:29:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 09:20:29 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 17, 2025, 04:31:38 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 17, 2025, 04:13:44 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 17, 2025, 03:28:53 PMShould Galway prevail over Down and the other 3 fancied counties go through, i think the players left standing for Galway would likely be meeting Monaghan in the quarters.
Down are evidently progressing. In the latter part of the 2nd half v Monaghan they were responding in kind, on the attack just 2 points behind and they get pulled up by the ref for a costly 2 point infringement. Nothing went right for Down in the last 1/4 except the gifted free awarded for O'Toole's non-foul, whereas everything else went right for Monaghan. IMO it could easily have been a one point game which could have gone either way.
Why do you think the theoretical quarter final would be Galway versus Monaghan?
A theoretical set of qf pairings
Armagh (can only) v Kerry
that leaves 3 pairs
Meath v Donegal (who have already played Monaghan and Tyrone)
Galway have already played Dublin
therefore Monaghan v Galway
and Dublin v Tyrone
Are there any other possibilities should the fancied 4 go through?
Possibly the Monaghan Donegal previous game doesn't count
GRMA
Monaghan V Donegal game doesn't count so they could meet in the quarter finals
The pairing possibilities were already sorted in a post last night (https://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?msg=2346619)
Though I fancy Down have the wherewithal to pull off an upset against Galway.
So much to like about that Down team. It's a pity they got relegated they've real potential to stay at the top table.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 18, 2025, 11:50:28 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 18, 2025, 10:22:41 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2025, 09:29:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 09:20:29 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 17, 2025, 04:31:38 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 17, 2025, 04:13:44 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 17, 2025, 03:28:53 PMShould Galway prevail over Down and the other 3 fancied counties go through, i think the players left standing for Galway would likely be meeting Monaghan in the quarters.
Down are evidently progressing. In the latter part of the 2nd half v Monaghan they were responding in kind, on the attack just 2 points behind and they get pulled up by the ref for a costly 2 point infringement. Nothing went right for Down in the last 1/4 except the gifted free awarded for O'Toole's non-foul, whereas everything else went right for Monaghan. IMO it could easily have been a one point game which could have gone either way.
Why do you think the theoretical quarter final would be Galway versus Monaghan?
A theoretical set of qf pairings
Armagh (can only) v Kerry
that leaves 3 pairs
Meath v Donegal (who have already played Monaghan and Tyrone)
Galway have already played Dublin
therefore Monaghan v Galway
and Dublin v Tyrone
Are there any other possibilities should the fancied 4 go through?
Possibly the Monaghan Donegal previous game doesn't count
GRMA
Monaghan V Donegal game doesn't count so they could meet in the quarter finals
The pairing possibilities were already sorted in a post last night (https://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?msg=2346619)
Though I fancy Down have the wherewithal to pull off an upset against Galway.
So much to like about that Down team. It's a pity they got relegated they've real potential to stay at the top table.
There is alot to like about them young Burns has been a big upgrade in goals and Havern and Murdock are quality. Magill seems to have really kicked on this year also. Panel depth would be a concern for them.
Quote from: statto on June 19, 2025, 09:44:19 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 18, 2025, 11:50:28 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 18, 2025, 10:22:41 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2025, 09:29:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 09:20:29 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 17, 2025, 04:31:38 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 17, 2025, 04:13:44 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 17, 2025, 03:28:53 PMShould Galway prevail over Down and the other 3 fancied counties go through, i think the players left standing for Galway would likely be meeting Monaghan in the quarters.
Down are evidently progressing. In the latter part of the 2nd half v Monaghan they were responding in kind, on the attack just 2 points behind and they get pulled up by the ref for a costly 2 point infringement. Nothing went right for Down in the last 1/4 except the gifted free awarded for O'Toole's non-foul, whereas everything else went right for Monaghan. IMO it could easily have been a one point game which could have gone either way.
Why do you think the theoretical quarter final would be Galway versus Monaghan?
A theoretical set of qf pairings
Armagh (can only) v Kerry
that leaves 3 pairs
Meath v Donegal (who have already played Monaghan and Tyrone)
Galway have already played Dublin
therefore Monaghan v Galway
and Dublin v Tyrone
Are there any other possibilities should the fancied 4 go through?
Possibly the Monaghan Donegal previous game doesn't count
GRMA
Monaghan V Donegal game doesn't count so they could meet in the quarter finals
The pairing possibilities were already sorted in a post last night (https://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?msg=2346619)
Though I fancy Down have the wherewithal to pull off an upset against Galway.
So much to like about that Down team. It's a pity they got relegated they've real potential to stay at the top table.
There is alot to like about them young Burns has been a big upgrade in goals and Havern and Murdock are quality. Magill seems to have really kicked on this year also. Panel depth would be a concern for them.
For me he is the big difference, being able to secure primary possession is huge under the new rules and Burns' kick outs give you that - also takes the pressure of Murdock round the middle that instead of raining every kick out down on top of him you can look to him as an out ball where the 'short' (direct) kick isn't on.
Quote from: lfdown2 on June 19, 2025, 09:52:58 AMQuote from: statto on June 19, 2025, 09:44:19 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 18, 2025, 11:50:28 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 18, 2025, 10:22:41 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2025, 09:29:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 09:20:29 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 17, 2025, 04:31:38 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 17, 2025, 04:13:44 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 17, 2025, 03:28:53 PMShould Galway prevail over Down and the other 3 fancied counties go through, i think the players left standing for Galway would likely be meeting Monaghan in the quarters.
Down are evidently progressing. In the latter part of the 2nd half v Monaghan they were responding in kind, on the attack just 2 points behind and they get pulled up by the ref for a costly 2 point infringement. Nothing went right for Down in the last 1/4 except the gifted free awarded for O'Toole's non-foul, whereas everything else went right for Monaghan. IMO it could easily have been a one point game which could have gone either way.
Why do you think the theoretical quarter final would be Galway versus Monaghan?
A theoretical set of qf pairings
Armagh (can only) v Kerry
that leaves 3 pairs
Meath v Donegal (who have already played Monaghan and Tyrone)
Galway have already played Dublin
therefore Monaghan v Galway
and Dublin v Tyrone
Are there any other possibilities should the fancied 4 go through?
Possibly the Monaghan Donegal previous game doesn't count
GRMA
Monaghan V Donegal game doesn't count so they could meet in the quarter finals
The pairing possibilities were already sorted in a post last night (https://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?msg=2346619)
Though I fancy Down have the wherewithal to pull off an upset against Galway.
So much to like about that Down team. It's a pity they got relegated they've real potential to stay at the top table.
There is alot to like about them young Burns has been a big upgrade in goals and Havern and Murdock are quality. Magill seems to have really kicked on this year also. Panel depth would be a concern for them.
For me he is the big difference, being able to secure primary possession is huge under the new rules and Burns' kick outs give you that - also takes the pressure of Murdock round the middle that instead of raining every kick out down on top of him you can look to him as an out ball where the 'short' (direct) kick isn't on.
Did Liam Kerr opt out for year or is he travelling, would have thought the new game would have suited him down to ground?
Quote from: statto on June 19, 2025, 10:01:00 AMQuote from: lfdown2 on June 19, 2025, 09:52:58 AMQuote from: statto on June 19, 2025, 09:44:19 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 18, 2025, 11:50:28 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 18, 2025, 10:22:41 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 18, 2025, 09:29:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 09:20:29 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 17, 2025, 04:31:38 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 17, 2025, 04:13:44 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 17, 2025, 03:28:53 PMShould Galway prevail over Down and the other 3 fancied counties go through, i think the players left standing for Galway would likely be meeting Monaghan in the quarters.
Down are evidently progressing. In the latter part of the 2nd half v Monaghan they were responding in kind, on the attack just 2 points behind and they get pulled up by the ref for a costly 2 point infringement. Nothing went right for Down in the last 1/4 except the gifted free awarded for O'Toole's non-foul, whereas everything else went right for Monaghan. IMO it could easily have been a one point game which could have gone either way.
Why do you think the theoretical quarter final would be Galway versus Monaghan?
A theoretical set of qf pairings
Armagh (can only) v Kerry
that leaves 3 pairs
Meath v Donegal (who have already played Monaghan and Tyrone)
Galway have already played Dublin
therefore Monaghan v Galway
and Dublin v Tyrone
Are there any other possibilities should the fancied 4 go through?
Possibly the Monaghan Donegal previous game doesn't count
GRMA
Monaghan V Donegal game doesn't count so they could meet in the quarter finals
The pairing possibilities were already sorted in a post last night (https://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?msg=2346619)
Though I fancy Down have the wherewithal to pull off an upset against Galway.
So much to like about that Down team. It's a pity they got relegated they've real potential to stay at the top table.
There is alot to like about them young Burns has been a big upgrade in goals and Havern and Murdock are quality. Magill seems to have really kicked on this year also. Panel depth would be a concern for them.
For me he is the big difference, being able to secure primary possession is huge under the new rules and Burns' kick outs give you that - also takes the pressure of Murdock round the middle that instead of raining every kick out down on top of him you can look to him as an out ball where the 'short' (direct) kick isn't on.
Did Liam Kerr opt out for year or is he travelling, would have thought the new game would have suited him down to ground?
Yeah I think he's in America, serious player as well
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 18, 2025, 09:34:31 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 09:18:22 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 08:11:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 05:42:24 PM2 weeks of rest aren't going to make much difference to Meath or Monaghan.
Disagree. The rest will give both a better chance of winning their All Ireland quarter than if they had three matches in consecutive weekends and then playing a rested opponent.
Neither Meath nor Monaghan are weapons grade. They won't get anywhere near Sam.
I think they'll be very hard stopped. How many teams have ever beaten Dublin and Kerry in the one year? Us in 02 and Tyrone in one of their years? Not too many more I'd say. Neither of those will fear anyone coming through that prelim draw.
Tyrone in 2005 and 2008.
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 05:42:24 PMQuote from: JoG2 on June 18, 2025, 07:41:37 AMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 02:08:57 AMPeople need to stop bringing Div 1 teams and Div 2 teams to make a point. The last two All Ireland champions was won by teams that played their spring football in Div 2 and Derry reached back to back All Ireland semi finals having played in Div 2 both years. It's a last 16 now down to the last 12. There isn't much of gap if any at all between those battling relegation in Division 1 and those pushing for promotion to Div 1.
Would be nice to see a shock or two this weekend but the 4 favourites Donegal,Galway,Dublin,Kerry should win, what shape they'll be in for the following week against a rested Monaghan,Meath,Tyrone,Armagh remains to be seen.
;D
2 weeks of rest aren't going to make much difference to Meath or Monaghan.
. In fairness I can't see any of the 8 that can qualify from the prelims bothering Meath if we play like we did v Kerry. Particularly with a couple of lads back
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 19, 2025, 01:27:37 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 05:42:24 PMQuote from: JoG2 on June 18, 2025, 07:41:37 AMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 02:08:57 AMPeople need to stop bringing Div 1 teams and Div 2 teams to make a point. The last two All Ireland champions was won by teams that played their spring football in Div 2 and Derry reached back to back All Ireland semi finals having played in Div 2 both years. It's a last 16 now down to the last 12. There isn't much of gap if any at all between those battling relegation in Division 1 and those pushing for promotion to Div 1.
Would be nice to see a shock or two this weekend but the 4 favourites Donegal,Galway,Dublin,Kerry should win, what shape they'll be in for the following week against a rested Monaghan,Meath,Tyrone,Armagh remains to be seen.
;D
2 weeks of rest aren't going to make much difference to Meath or Monaghan.
. In fairness I can't see any of the 8 that can qualify from the prelims bothering Meath if we play like we did v Kerry. Particularly with a couple of lads back
Come on now...
Ger Brennan.
One of the big problems for Louth after Monday's Preliminary quarter final draw was made, was trying to source accommodation on the eve of the game. That's because the Donegal International Rally is taking place this weekend, and as a result, practically all hotels and guest houses in the County are booked out.
It has left Louth having to relocate to Fermanagh.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 19, 2025, 01:27:37 PMIn fairness I can't see any of the 8 that can qualify from the prelims bothering Meath if we play like we did v Kerry. Particularly with a couple of lads back
You might be getting a bit ahead of yourself there! This is the business end of the all ireland and Meath have a lot to prove yet.
Meath couldn't even beat Louth and we leave it at that!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gt1WU4FWYAA-pCD?format=jpg&name=small)
Brian Ó Beaglaoich, Diarmuid O'Connor and Seánie O'Shea have all been named to start for Kerry against Cavan.
Paudie Clifford named on the bench it seems players recover faster from injuries when it's a knock out game.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 19, 2025, 10:09:13 PMBrian Ó Beaglaoich, Diarmuid O'Connor and Seánie O'Shea have all been named to start for Kerry against Cavan.
Paudie Clifford named on the bench it seems players recover faster from injuries when it's a knock out game.
Sometimes you have to pick times to rest injuries. Players at this stage of the season don't recover from injuries rather they put up with injuries.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 19, 2025, 10:03:15 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gt1WU4FWYAA-pCD?format=jpg&name=small)
Comer on the bench week after week. Just constant hamstring injuries and not at the fitness levels to start?
I wouldn't pay much heed to that starting 15 for Kerry.
They might fool Cavan and change the lineout 5 minutes before throw in , or they could start all those players with injury doubts.
Either way, they will have shown their hand to Armagh
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 19, 2025, 01:27:37 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 05:42:24 PMQuote from: JoG2 on June 18, 2025, 07:41:37 AMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 02:08:57 AMPeople need to stop bringing Div 1 teams and Div 2 teams to make a point. The last two All Ireland champions was won by teams that played their spring football in Div 2 and Derry reached back to back All Ireland semi finals having played in Div 2 both years. It's a last 16 now down to the last 12. There isn't much of gap if any at all between those battling relegation in Division 1 and those pushing for promotion to Div 1.
Would be nice to see a shock or two this weekend but the 4 favourites Donegal,Galway,Dublin,Kerry should win, what shape they'll be in for the following week against a rested Monaghan,Meath,Tyrone,Armagh remains to be seen.
;D
2 weeks of rest aren't going to make much difference to Meath or Monaghan.
. In fairness I can't see any of the 8 that can qualify from the prelims bothering Meath if we play like we did v Kerry. Particularly with a couple of lads back
🤣🤣 here we go again
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 18, 2025, 09:34:31 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 09:18:22 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 08:11:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 05:42:24 PM2 weeks of rest aren't going to make much difference to Meath or Monaghan.
Disagree. The rest will give both a better chance of winning their All Ireland quarter than if they had three matches in consecutive weekends and then playing a rested opponent.
Neither Meath nor Monaghan are weapons grade. They won't get anywhere near Sam.
I think they'll be very hard stopped. How many teams have ever beaten Dublin and Kerry in the one year? Us in 02 and Tyrone in one of their years? Not too many more I'd say. Neither of those will fear anyone coming through that prelim draw.
Kildare did it in'98. Easy to forget that. 😉
Kildare beat the 1995 Champs, 1996 Champs and the 1997 Champs on the way to the final in 1998. The final istelf...is a bit hazy, but it was good fun... :'(
This weekends predictions.
Donegal v Louth - Donegal should get through this without much fuss. Donegal by 9.
Kerry v Cavan - Wounded Kerry by 21
Dublin v Cork - Cork have the tools to hurt Dublin but you just get the feeling they not playing to anywhere near their potential. Dublin by 7.
Down v Galway - This has the potential to be a very tricky tie for Galway. Down do alot of things right. But Galway forward quality might pull then through wouldn't be surprised to see Down 5 or 6 up in this game but Galway to pull through near the end by about 2 points.
What does everyone else reckon?
The Draw for the Quarter-Finals of the Sam Maguire Cup will take place this Monday morning on RTÉ Radio 1 as part of Morning Ireland after the news at 8.30 am. The draws will be presided over by Uachtarán CLG Jarlath Burns and Feargal McGill, GAA Director of Player, Club and Games Administration.
The four first-place teams from the Group Stage will be drawn to play against the winners of the Preliminary Quarter Finals, subject in the first instance to the avoidance of repeat Provincial Final pairings and, where possible, repeat pairings from Round 1 (Group Stages).
First Placed Teams
Armagh
Monaghan
Tyrone
Meath
Preliminary Quarter-Final Winners
Kerry/Cavan
Dublin/Cork
Down/Galway
Donegal/Louth
The following repeat pairings will not be allowed:
Armagh v Dublin/Galway/Donegal
Monaghan v Down/Louth
Tyrone v Donegal/Cavan
Meath v Louth/Kerry/Cork
The Quarter Final games will take place in Croke Park next weekend, 28th / 29th of June – full fixture details will be confirmed by the C.C.C.C on Monday afternoon.
Quote from: mup on June 20, 2025, 10:59:07 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 18, 2025, 09:34:31 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 09:18:22 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 08:11:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 05:42:24 PM2 weeks of rest aren't going to make much difference to Meath or Monaghan.
Disagree. The rest will give both a better chance of winning their All Ireland quarter than if they had three matches in consecutive weekends and then playing a rested opponent.
Neither Meath nor Monaghan are weapons grade. They won't get anywhere near Sam.
I think they'll be very hard stopped. How many teams have ever beaten Dublin and Kerry in the one year? Us in 02 and Tyrone in one of their years? Not too many more I'd say. Neither of those will fear anyone coming through that prelim draw.
Kildare did it in'98. Easy to forget that. 😉
All Kildare had to do was turn up. It was a great match. It's a pity that Kildare team never won Sam.
Quote from: mup on June 20, 2025, 10:59:07 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 18, 2025, 09:34:31 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 09:18:22 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 08:11:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 05:42:24 PM2 weeks of rest aren't going to make much difference to Meath or Monaghan.
Disagree. The rest will give both a better chance of winning their All Ireland quarter than if they had three matches in consecutive weekends and then playing a rested opponent.
Neither Meath nor Monaghan are weapons grade. They won't get anywhere near Sam.
I think they'll be very hard stopped. How many teams have ever beaten Dublin and Kerry in the one year? Us in 02 and Tyrone in one of their years? Not too many more I'd say. Neither of those will fear anyone coming through that prelim draw.
Kildare did it in'98. Easy to forget that. 😉
And let's hope they can win the TC. Be great for them
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 20, 2025, 01:17:02 PMThis weekends predictions.
Donegal v Louth - Donegal should get through this without much fuss. Donegal by 9.
Kerry v Cavan - Wounded Kerry by 21
Dublin v Cork - Cork have the tools to hurt Dublin but you just get the feeling they not playing to anywhere near their potential. Dublin by 7.
Down v Galway - This has the potential to be a very tricky tie for Galway. Down do alot of things right. But Galway forward quality might pull then through wouldn't be surprised to see Down 5 or 6 up in this game but Galway to pull through near the end by about 2 points.
What does everyone else reckon?
Kerry by 8
Dublin by 7
Galway by 3
Donegal by 6
Kerry by 11
Donegal by 5
Down by 2 after extra time
Dublin by 6
I really can't see anything other than the expected results . But this year has been full of surprises.
Can only look back on the teams we played.
Kerry didn't impress me at all. Rafferty for most part kept Clifford very very quiet. Wouldn't say in his pocket but not far from it, and that showed up plenty of limitations in Kerry. That been said Cavan won't bother them.
Dublin gave us a harder game than Kerry and probably improving as the season goes on so they should progress v cork.
Cork very flat even with Meath hangovers from Leinster final loss. Can't see them beating dubs.
Louth , what can I say the only team to beat us in championship even though we probably left it behind us, inexperience cost us big time. They may be the ones to cause the shock this weekend.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 18, 2025, 09:34:31 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 09:18:22 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 08:11:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 05:42:24 PM2 weeks of rest aren't going to make much difference to Meath or Monaghan.
Disagree. The rest will give both a better chance of winning their All Ireland quarter than if they had three matches in consecutive weekends and then playing a rested opponent.
Neither Meath nor Monaghan are weapons grade. They won't get anywhere near Sam.
I think they'll be very hard stopped. How many teams have ever beaten Dublin and Kerry in the one year? Us in 02 and Tyrone in one of their years? Not too many more I'd say. Neither of those will fear anyone coming through that prelim draw.
Very few here are the list of teams below that have beaten Kerry and Dublin in one championship season. Meath are only 5th leinster team ever do it. And Meath are youngest team in history ever to beat Dublin kerry in same championship. Only 6 counties have beaten Dubs and kerry in same championship, they are Meath, Tyrone, Armagh, Cork, Offaly, kildare.
Here below are the only teams in history to beat Dubs and kerry and in the same championship in same year
1 Meath 2025
2 Tyrone 2008
3 Tyrone 2005
4 Armagh 2002
5 Meath 2001
6 Kildare 1998
7 Cork 1989
8 Offaly 1982
9 kildare 1927
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 18, 2025, 09:34:31 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 09:18:22 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 08:11:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 05:42:24 PM2 weeks of rest aren't going to make much difference to Meath or Monaghan.
Disagree. The rest will give both a better chance of winning their All Ireland quarter than if they had three matches in consecutive weekends and then playing a rested opponent.
Neither Meath nor Monaghan are weapons grade. They won't get anywhere near Sam.
I think they'll be very hard stopped. How many teams have ever beaten Dublin and Kerry in the one year? Us in 02 and Tyrone in one of their years? Not too many more I'd say. Neither of those will fear anyone coming through that prelim draw.
I do think people don't realise how very few teams have beaten Kerry in championship or Dublin in chamionship. Kerry and Dublin have an aura, many teams are beaten before they go on the field, going back generations.
Let's take leinster teams,with exception Meath very few counties beaten Dubs in 70 years, top counties once or twice in 50 years. Very rare to beat Dubs in leinster final
Wicklow, Carlow, Wexford haven't beaten Dubs in championship in over 70 years.
Longford haven't beaten Dubs in championship in 57 years.
Louth havent beaten Dubs in championship in 52 years.
Offaly haven't beaten Dubs in championship in 43 years.
Westmeath have beaten Dubs twice in championship in 140 yrs.
Laois have beaten Dubs twice in championship in last 70 years.
Kildare have beaten Dubs in championship twice in last 50 years.
Meath have beaten Dubs 9 times and 5 draws in championship in last 40 years.
Laois, Westmeath have never beaten Dubs in leinster final. Kildare have beaten Dubs in leinster final once in last 97 years, that was in 2000. Meath beat Dubs in 7 leinster in 15 years in 80s and 90s.
Nationwide only kerry have good records v Dubs.
Cork have only beaten Dubs twice in championship ever in 1989 and 2010.
Mayo have beaten Dubs 3 times in championship in 2006, 2012, 2021.
Donegal have beaten Dubd twice in championship.
Tyrone have beaten Dubs twice in championship.
Armagh have beaten 3 times in championship.
Derry and Down have beaten Dubs once in championship.
Galway beaten Dubs 3 times in 1933 1934 2024.
Regards kerry again teams rarely beat Kerry in championship.
Donegal have beaten Keery once in championship
Derry Roscommon have never beaten Kerry in championship.
Laois Louth Westmeath have never beaten Kerry in championship
Galway have beaten Kerry in championship once in last 60 years.
Armagh have beaten Twice in championship
Kildare have beaten Kerry once in championship in 97 years.
The counties with best records v Dubs is Meath and Kerry and county with best record in championship v kerry is Down. The one county Kerry has never beaten in championship.
When you look at when county beats Dublin or Kerry it usually one of the greatest performances in their counties history by one of the greatest teams ever to come of that county. Just think of when teams in leinster beat Dubs Offaly in 1982, kildare in 1998, Laois 2003, Westmeath in 2004. Or when teams beat Dubs outside leinster eg Donegal 1992 Derry 1993 Armagh 2002 Tyrone 2005 Mayo 2012. Same with kerry think of kerrys loses in last in 70 years to great Down Galway teams of 60s. Offaly in 70s and 80s. Meath, Tyrone Armagh in 00s.
To beat kerry in championship for any county is rare and wonderful thing, exception is Down. To beat Dublin in championship for any county is rare and wonderful thing, exceptions r Meath and Kerry.
We bet Kerry in All Ireland Finals at Senior, U21, Junior and Minor.
Quote from: BillyFlynnfromTrim on June 20, 2025, 09:51:15 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 18, 2025, 09:34:31 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 09:18:22 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2025, 08:11:16 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 18, 2025, 05:42:24 PM2 weeks of rest aren't going to make much difference to Meath or Monaghan.
Disagree. The rest will give both a better chance of winning their All Ireland quarter than if they had three matches in consecutive weekends and then playing a rested opponent.
Neither Meath nor Monaghan are weapons grade. They won't get anywhere near Sam.
I think they'll be very hard stopped. How many teams have ever beaten Dublin and Kerry in the one year? Us in 02 and Tyrone in one of their years? Not too many more I'd say. Neither of those will fear anyone coming through that prelim draw.
Very few here are the list of teams below that have beaten Kerry and Dublin in one championship season. Meath are only 5th leinster team ever do it. And Meath are youngest team in history ever to beat Dublin kerry in same championship. Only 6 counties have beaten Dubs and kerry in same championship, they are Meath, Tyrone, Armagh, Cork, Offaly, kildare.
Here below are the only teams in history to beat Dubs and kerry and in the same championship in same year
1 Meath 2025
2 Tyrone 2008
3 Tyrone 2005
4 Armagh 2002
5 Meath 2001
6 Kildare 1998
7 Cork 1989
8 Offaly 1982
9 kildare 1927
Hate to rain on your parade... 2025 defeats to Meath were only times on the list that Kerry and Dublin didn't exit the All Ireland championship. If that had been at stake... I don't think so
Donegal : but I do think Louth are going to be really up for this one and I think it'll be quite close... I see Ger B is doing a Jimmy on it on the lead up!
Dublin: completely depend on what cork we see. And I think Cork will relish the open space of croke park but dubs back flying and hard to see them lose this in crokers... has potential to be a cracker
Down: I'm going for an upset here. Think Down are playing unbelievable football. Galway are just not 'there' this year but still scraping though. It'll be very close but I'm going with a last minute winner from Down or something
Kerry: if I was Cavan I'd be so pissed off on the build up to this. I hope Galligan has them motivated to a high from all the dismissive comments and they go all out and run at Kerry and give them a right proper game here! Seeing that Kerry are beatable from the last day should give them a lot of confidence too. If Cavan go in the right frame of mind and keep the scoreboard ticking I hope it's a tighter affair than predictions I've seen...
Donegal to win pulling up. Louth haven't been at it since their deserved Leinster final win. Just hung on to beat Clare last week who was 16th of the 16 teams left.
Dublin in Croke Park should have too much for a Cork side who Meath and Kerry eased past, lucky they met a poorly managed team like themselves in the last round.
Galway scraping though is a trait under lucky general Joyce and I won't be surprised that Down are left with what ifs after this game.
Routine win for Kerry now that they have the starters back that was missing last week. The Cavan win against Mayo said more about Mayo and where their minds were at when they lost the Connacht final to Galway that was there to be won.
Is there a 4 match offer for all pre QFs on gaa+?
Or do you have to buy all separately?
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 21, 2025, 01:14:21 PMIs there a 4 match offer for all pre QFs on gaa+?
Or do you have to buy all separately?
Just separate I think, couldn't see any bundles.
I'd have Armagh as solid favourites for the All Ireland. They have so many options and they've been there and done it.
You can't get the 3 game offer now either....
One of these years I'm gonna get an annual pass.
Kerry with one change to their published team with Tadhg Morley coming in for Mike Breen.
Shane Ryan;
Paul Murphy, Jason Foley, Tom O'Sullivan;
Brian O Beaglaoich, Tadhg Morley, Gavin White;
Joe O'Connor, Sean O'Brien;
Diarmuid O'Connor, Sean O'Shea, Graham O'Sullivan;
David Clifford, Conor Geaney, Dylan Geaney.
Cavan three changes OisÃn Kiernan,Jason McLaughlin and Séan McEvoy now starting.
Diarmuid O'Connor off injured after 3 minutes. David Clifford goal 1-2 to 0-2. Cian Reilly for Cavan off with hamstring injury now.
Hoe far are you allowed to advance a sideline ball
Steps for the Kerry goal?
Ref must have a holiday home in Dingle.
Very very sore on Cavan
Cavan black card for what?
Another goal for David Clifford Banner. He's incredible
Kerry would probably beat cavan with 13 or 14 men but instead they have 16 and cavan have 14!
GAAGo keeps cutting out; is it happening to anyone else?
Another Kerry and David Clifford goal on the counter. 1-3 without reply while Cavan are down to 14 men with a black. 2-6 to 0-2.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 21, 2025, 03:46:26 PMAnother goal for David Clifford Banner. He's incredible
He's incredible in these kinds of games alright. Didn't hear much about him last weekend.
Quote from: befair on June 21, 2025, 03:49:24 PMGAAGo keeps cutting out; is it happening to anyone else?
Doesn't seem like you're missing much.
Cavan player passed back to the keeper there didn't he?
Quote from: 5times5times on June 21, 2025, 03:42:49 PMRef must have a holiday home in Dingle.
Very very sore on Cavan
Thinking that myself
Jeez he is harsh on Cavan
Quote from: thebigfullforward on June 21, 2025, 03:57:31 PMCavan player passed back to the keeper there didn't he?
Both in the square so OK.
Cavan look in big trouble.
Quote from: greatpoint on June 21, 2025, 03:56:58 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 21, 2025, 03:46:26 PMAnother goal for David Clifford Banner. He's incredible
He's incredible in these kinds of games alright. Didn't hear much about him last weekend.
Would be interesting to find out how many of his championship goals have been against top sides.
Quote from: clarshack on June 21, 2025, 04:01:50 PMQuote from: greatpoint on June 21, 2025, 03:56:58 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 21, 2025, 03:46:26 PMAnother goal for David Clifford Banner. He's incredible
He's incredible in these kinds of games alright. Didn't hear much about him last weekend.
Would be interesting to find out how many of his championship goals have been against top sides.
Hopefully he over exerts himself in the heat today! Going to be tough for us to stop him.
Next week the 1st time since Feb kerry will have played an actual decent team?
Cavan are doing the 3 going through from group no favours.
They're tailteann cup standard
Hope this game isn't a sign of things to come from this weekend, hope we get at least one competitive game
Jaysus Cavan are hopeless, also shows you can't read anything into Tyrone's win last Sunday.
That Cavan team doesn't even look fit do they?
They keep mentioning the wind on commentary didn't seem to affect Cavan's 2 point free. Some bad shooting from Kerry don't look like they are taking this seriously might keep the winning margin down.
Half time Kerry 2-12 Cavan 0-8.
Kerry scores D Clifford 2-5,S O'Shea 0-3,D Geaney 0-2,C Geaney 0-1,G O'Sullivan 0-1. Cavan Paddy Lynch 0-7,J McLoughlin 0-1
Commentator saying its unusual to have a breach of the 3up/4 back rule at this stage of the Championship.
It's the first game at this stage that this rule is in force!!
Quote from: greatpoint on June 21, 2025, 03:56:58 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 21, 2025, 03:46:26 PMAnother goal for David Clifford Banner. He's incredible
He's incredible in these kinds of games alright. Didn't hear much about him last weekend.
Maybe he's only incredible when his shirt is torn
If Kerry had any little niggling doubts in their minds in the early stages of this one, Cavan offered them ample benign convalescence with a string of unforced schoolboy errors that allowed them rack up some scores and clear all the dirty petrol. Some of the fumblesome execution with the limited possession we've eked out is laughable, Junior B-type stuff. Ref seems to happy to give his harshest decisions against the underdog too, a typical GAA ref trait, but it's not a factor overall.
There's a lot of soul-searching and a massive reset needed in Cavan but I have no confidence it's going to happen.
Quote from: 5times5times on June 21, 2025, 04:04:17 PMNext week the 1st time since Feb kerry will have played an actual decent team?
Did you miss Meath 1-22 v Kerry 0-16 match last week? In the Munster championship they just about got over the line after extra time v Cork.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 21, 2025, 04:23:30 PMQuote from: 5times5times on June 21, 2025, 04:04:17 PMNext week the 1st time since Feb kerry will have played an actual decent team?
Did you miss Meath 1-22 v Kerry 0-16 match last week? In the Munster championship they just about got over the line after extra time v Cork.
Would you classify meath and cork as decent and AI contenders? They're middle of the road div2 teams.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 21, 2025, 04:23:30 PMQuote from: 5times5times on June 21, 2025, 04:04:17 PMNext week the 1st time since Feb kerry will have played an actual decent team?
Did you miss Meath 1-22 v Kerry 0-16 match last week? In the Munster championship they just about got over the line after extra time v Cork.
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The amount of bitterness towards Meath is astounding. Not only are they the most impressive and improved team of the year, they play a lovely brand of football. But I guess those gimpys can't get over Geraghty and Giles etc. sad
A goal for Cavan 50 minutes played Kerry 2-15 Cavan 1-9. Two pointer for Cavan and another one point. 2-15 to 1-12
Quote from: 5times5times on June 21, 2025, 04:41:35 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 21, 2025, 04:23:30 PMQuote from: 5times5times on June 21, 2025, 04:04:17 PMNext week the 1st time since Feb kerry will have played an actual decent team?
Did you miss Meath 1-22 v Kerry 0-16 match last week? In the Munster championship they just about got over the line after extra time v Cork.
Would you classify meath and cork as decent and AI contenders? They're middle of the road div2 teams.
Meath yes. As proved by beating both Dublin and Kerry. Actually any div 1 team we played this year were no great shakes. Maybe div 1 ain't as cracked up as some make it. Btw Meath only just lost out on promotion to a poor Roscommon side who are gone already and mighty mayo got beat by Cavan ffs.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 21, 2025, 04:45:42 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 21, 2025, 04:23:30 PMQuote from: 5times5times on June 21, 2025, 04:04:17 PMNext week the 1st time since Feb kerry will have played an actual decent team?
Did you miss Meath 1-22 v Kerry 0-16 match last week? In the Munster championship they just about got over the line after extra time v Cork.
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The amount of bitterness towards Meath is astounding. Not only are they the most impressive and improved team of the year, they play a lovely brand of football. But I guess those gimpys can't get over Geraghty and Giles etc. sad
I'll reserve judgement on Meath until after next week. Remember they couldn't beat Louth or a poor Roscommon team.
Any hope of a comeback here?
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 21, 2025, 04:48:58 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 21, 2025, 04:45:42 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 21, 2025, 04:23:30 PMQuote from: 5times5times on June 21, 2025, 04:04:17 PMNext week the 1st time since Feb kerry will have played an actual decent team?
Did you miss Meath 1-22 v Kerry 0-16 match last week? In the Munster championship they just about got over the line after extra time v Cork.
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The amount of bitterness towards Meath is astounding. Not only are they the most impressive and improved team of the year, they play a lovely brand of football. But I guess those gimpys can't get over Geraghty and Giles etc. sad
I'll reserve judgement on Meath until after next week. Remember they couldn't beat Louth or a poor Roscommon team.
Inconsistent year for Meath hard to know what to make of them. Didn't gain promotion or win Leinster final. Topped their table and reached the last 8 of the championship with year highlights wins over Dublin and kerry. How they do next weekend will be interesting in a do or die tie.
Haven't tuned in since HT and I see this score :o
What's going on here
Edit: Aaand then Clifford gets a 3rd, I jinxed the comeback
This game isn't over, Kerry will not be winning the all Ireland. Too soft in the defence and little to nothing outside of Clifford.
Ref destroying Cavan and McVeety had a certain 2 pointer disallowed
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 21, 2025, 04:53:48 PMAny hope of a comeback here?
Just four points in then a David Clifford goal against the run of play. Kerry 3-16 Cavan 1-15. Paddy Lynch with a two pointer gap back to five points again. 10 minutes to play.
The commentary is absolutely rubbish
Simply incredible stuff there from the Cavan corner back after they turned over Clifford.
Clifford complains to ref with verbals.
Cavan plays goad.
Ref sides with kerry.
Shock.
Paudie Clifford on to referee the match.....
Quote from: 5times5times on June 21, 2025, 05:03:08 PMClifford complains to ref with verbals.
Cavan plays goad.
Ref sides with kerry.
Shock.
Oh f**k off. Cavan had their free, then a bunch of twats smacked him about and roared in his face.
Also, is hopping the ball "siding with Kerry"
Quote from: 5times5times on June 21, 2025, 05:03:08 PMClifford complains to ref with verbals.
Cavan plays goad.
Ref sides with kerry.
Shock.
He gets well looked after, bit like St Michael of Glenswilly.
Stupid nonsense by Carolan although in general Cavan suffer from being naive and too nice most of the time. It's nice to see a bit of the dog in a few lads in blue for a change, at least it signals a bit of blood in their veins.
I stand by my comments about this ref too, typical big stick for the weak man mentality about him.
9,000 attendance
FT Kerry 3-20 Cavan 1-17. David Clifford finished up with 3-7 for Kerry. Paddy Lynch with 0-12 for Cavan.
A team with the two Clifford's can win any all ireland and may do this year yet.
But the other 13 players not up to the standard of the top teams I reckon.
Kerry continue their good form against tailteann cup teams
What will Kerry learn from that? Apart from slabbering I didn't see too much intensity from Cavan in the tackle, a bit disorganised looking for most of it too. Kerry will be a different beast in Croke Park.
Quote from: 5times5times on June 21, 2025, 05:14:42 PMKerry continue their good form against tailteann cup teams
Cavan looked every bit a Tailteann tean today.
If they had a bit of organisation about them they could have rattled kerry.
Worst display I seen from any Cavan team in that first half.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on June 21, 2025, 05:10:31 PMStupid nonsense by Carolan although in general Cavan suffer from being naive and too nice most of the time. It's nice to see a bit of the dog in a few lads in blue for a change, at least it signals a bit of blood in their veins.
I stand by my comments about this ref too, typical big stick for the weak man mentality about him.
Bit of dog is grand like, but when the lad has rinsed you for 3-07, screaming in his face because you won a free off him ain't a great look.
Were Cavan good in second half then? Or Kerry shite?
Well done, Kerry. Far from a vintage Kingdom team though, and I can't see them winning Sam.
Cavan briefly threatened a comeback but Kerry were never in serious trouble there, although getting back to within a score or two will be seized on as a comfort blanket now, and used to mask the litany of systemic issues and rank lack of vision infecting all levels of the game in our county. Our coaching ticket is out of its depth also and can't generate any momentum outside league football, so as loyal and passionate as Ray Galligan has been, it's time for a clean slate and some sort of inspirational manager with a longer-term plan for what's threatening to be a horrendous four or five years ahead.
Special word for David Clifford - got a lot of old yap and verbal bullshit off Cavan players today and it all slid off him, and he sportingly shook everyone's hand at the end. A role model for all.
Quote from: gallsman on June 21, 2025, 05:21:18 PMQuote from: cavanmaniac on June 21, 2025, 05:10:31 PMStupid nonsense by Carolan although in general Cavan suffer from being naive and too nice most of the time. It's nice to see a bit of the dog in a few lads in blue for a change, at least it signals a bit of blood in their veins.
I stand by my comments about this ref too, typical big stick for the weak man mentality about him.
Bit of dog is grand like, but when the lad has rinsed you for 3-07, screaming in his face because you won a free off him ain't a great look.
Wasn't defending him, to be fair. But I wouldn't dislike the attitude in general if channeled with a bit of common sense.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on June 21, 2025, 05:24:46 PMSpecial word for David Clifford - got a lot of old yap and verbal bullshit off Cavan players today and it all slid off him, and he sportingly shook everyone's hand at the end. A role model for all.
Completely agree. There's a notable difference between himself and Paudie. David is a real sportsman and role model. Paudie is a different story.
David making a rallying call to the Kerry supporters to come out next week.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on June 21, 2025, 05:25:32 PMWasn't defending him, to be fair. But I wouldn't dislike the attitude in general if channeled with a bit of common sense.
Ah yeah I fully agree but you can't carry on like that after the lad has ripped you a new one all day AND your team is getting destroyed.
Shock of the weekend delivered already in the stick ball, don't see any others.
Damien Donahoe on Northern Sound thought it was a really good Cavan performance. He is some man to exaggerate. Clifford could have had 6 goals. Kerry turned over some amount of ball. Cavan looked very heavy legged in the first half. Improved in second half but they had the wind and couldn't be any worse.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 21, 2025, 05:21:58 PMWere Cavan good in second half then? Or Kerry shite?
Wind advantage and outscored Kerry 1-9 to 1-8. Kerry played through the motions, 3rd Kerry/Clifford goal killed off the Cavan comeback.
What I've seen of Kerry during all of this championship this year it's hard to see them suddenly improving and overturning last years defeat to Armagh.
I like a lot of Damien's tactical analysis, and he showed promise as our u20 boss by turning out a side with a lot more resilience and mental fortitude than the usual appalling Cavan contemporary standard, but in media analysis he's a cult of positivity type when it comes to Cavan seniors. Too much negativity is no use either, of course, but it's delusional ould soft-soaping shite like this that stops Cavan football acknowledging the various elephants in various rooms, and we remain stuck where we are, blowing smoke up our own arses and resolutely going nowhere - unless you count backwards as a sporting direction.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 21, 2025, 05:43:32 PMShock of the weekend delivered already in the stick ball, don't see any others.
I don't know about that. I have a feeling Down will take out Galway.
Great win for Dublin hurlers though. Fully deserved too, and with 14 men.
Dublin 0-4 Cork 0-2 in the opening ten minutes. Con O'Callaghan named to start but didn't start.
Goal for Cork they lead by 1.
Down certainly on the up and being talked up, but I don't see it, they've come out of a weak group, Galway by 6+
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 21, 2025, 06:09:24 PMQuote from: bennydorano on June 21, 2025, 05:43:32 PMShock of the weekend delivered already in the stick ball, don't see any others.
I don't know about that. I have a feeling Down will take out Galway.
Great win for Dublin hurlers though. Fully deserved too, and with 14 men.
After a poor start going 0-4 to 0-0 behind Cork now have a decent chance here.
Really pedestrian game.
25 minutes played Dublin 0-7 Cork 1-5. Half time Dublin 0-9 Cork 1-8
Brian O'Driscoll is such a calm, efficient, economical footballer. In the league, at Breffni this year, he absolutely ran the game and he's very prominent here too.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on June 21, 2025, 06:51:49 PMBrian O'Driscoll is such a calm, efficient, economical footballer. In the league, at Breffni this year, he absolutely ran the game and he's very prominent here too.
Very solid player. He was part of that Cork U21 team that beat Cavan in 2013.
Dublin hurlers to exceed Dublin footballers?
Cork will prob find a way to lose this.
So many good footballers.
Should be competing at the top end
Dublin shock Limerick
Now, Cork to shock Dublin?
Some difference in Dublin with and without O'Callaghan.
A shock win will depends on Cork fitness, they fell away in the final 15 minutes last weekend and left thankful the rossies was wasteful.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 21, 2025, 06:38:25 PMReally pedestrian game.
Both sides look miles off being All-Ireland contenders based on that half's performance.
Dublin probably happy enough to be only 2 points down.
This is a good game. Missed the Cavan Kerry game. But shows if you got an excellent marker in Clifford Kerry are ordinary. Shown with Rafferty last week when Clifford barely got out of rafs pocket
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 21, 2025, 07:01:49 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on June 21, 2025, 06:38:25 PMReally pedestrian game.
Both sides look miles off being All-Ireland contenders based on that half's performance.
Dublin probably happy enough to be only 2 points down.
I doubt anyone in Cork seen themselves as All Ireland contenders. Dublin showed in that 1st half why they didn't win Leinster this year.
STEPS
Was there a rule change for this game, banning defending? It's very chivalrous stuff so far, lads knocking over points at their ease without so much as a puff of wind off an opponent a lot of the time.
50 mins played Dublin 1-12 Cork 1-11
55 minutes played Dublin 1-12 Cork 1-13
Dublin back in front against 1-14 to 1-13
10 minutes to play Dublin 1-16 Cork 1-15.
Will go down to the wire here
Cork are never winning this.
Never a free there out near the sideline that led to Dublin making it 1-17 to 1-15.
7 mins left Dublin 1-17 Cork 1-16.
Hurson is rubbish
Hurson making a hames of this
Hurson giving Dublin some seriously soft frees here.
Hurson seems determined to keep Dublin in championship.
Feel like that one-on-one Cork had at the time they fisted over (to make it 1-15 each) might come back to haunt them. Need to take the goal chances in these games
Cork two pointer free drops short. 4 minutes to play Dublin two points in front
As a Meathman both these teams look beatable. Neither capable of kicking 2 pointers on a relatively calm day.
Big opportunity missed from Cork
Just feels like Cork haven't held their nerve, which you need to close out big tight games like this. Dublin don't look any great shakes either tbh, any of the 4 teams waiting will fancy a crack at them I'd say
Full time Dublin 1-19 Cork 1-16
The lethargic Dublin we seen today will be a different animal next weekend. And probably against Tyrone.
Quote from: Schkite on June 21, 2025, 07:51:13 PMJust feels like Cork haven't held their nerve, which you need to close out big tight games like this. Dublin don't look any great shakes either tbh, any of the 4 teams waiting will fancy a crack at them I'd say
If Cork had a proper leader they'd be contending.
Absolutely littered with quality athleticism and physicality.
No kickout strategy killing them
Dublin seem to go full tilt 1 week then a mile off it the following week. I say they be bck full tilt nxt week.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 21, 2025, 07:57:01 PMDublin seem to go full tilt 1 week then a mile off it the following week. I say they be bck full tilt nxt week.
They've Sean Hurson to thank.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 21, 2025, 07:57:01 PMDublin seem to go full tilt 1 week then a mile off it the following week. I say they be bck full tilt nxt week.
I mean that's easier said than done, but at the end of the day they'll still be out 3 weekends in a row, and that will take an effect on any team. And there was only a score in it for Dublin in the last 2 games, so it's not like they were completely coasting either. I'm sure they'll lift it for quarters, but that schedule will catch up on anyone
Quote from: clarshack on June 21, 2025, 07:54:26 PMThe lethargic Dublin we seen today will be a different animal next weekend. And probably against Tyrone.
For the 2nd year in row All Ireland Quarter final exit is very likely for Dublin.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 21, 2025, 08:02:06 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 21, 2025, 07:54:26 PMThe lethargic Dublin we seen today will be a different animal next weekend. And probably against Tyrone.
For the 2nd year in row All Ireland Quarter final exit is very likely for Dublin.
Would monaghan or meath beat them though?
They be all out to beat meath after what happened.
Dublin were there for the taking today. Cork will know that and be gutted. They weren't far off.
I don't think anyone would fear getting Dublin next week. I thought the ref was generous in some of his decisions for Dublin today.
Cork took off Brian Hurley again with a 2 point free to be taken.
That was his side wasn't it?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 21, 2025, 08:05:14 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 21, 2025, 08:02:06 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 21, 2025, 07:54:26 PMThe lethargic Dublin we seen today will be a different animal next weekend. And probably against Tyrone.
For the 2nd year in row All Ireland Quarter final exit is very likely for Dublin.
Would monaghan or meath beat them though?
They be all out to beat meath after what happened.
Well capable especially with the scheduling advantage
Over the past 10 years I never thought I'd say this. I want to draw dubs on Monday
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 21, 2025, 08:32:31 PMOver the past 10 years I never thought I'd say this. I want to draw dubs on Monday
Of your three likely options you are right to hope that.
Dublin are in a funny place in that you have lads with multiple All Irelands who are not bankers when it's in the mix.
But if Kilkenny and Con are on it they still have big days in them.
A lot of players dropped off the Cork panel last winter. Stephen Sherlock was a good free taker. They lacked composure when towards the end. Maybe need an outside voice to shake things up.
Hurson poor today. Seems to spend more time talking & fist pumping players than keeping up with play. Dubs got some very dubious frees when under pressure.
Thon Henry fella shouldn't see another game until next year's league.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 21, 2025, 07:54:39 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 21, 2025, 07:51:13 PMJust feels like Cork haven't held their nerve, which you need to close out big tight games like this. Dublin don't look any great shakes either tbh, any of the 4 teams waiting will fancy a crack at them I'd say
If Cork had a proper leader they'd be contending.
Absolutely littered with quality athleticism and physicality.
No kickout strategy killing them
They're such an enigma. They're seriously impressive athletes and have a sprinkling of top class talent but they massively underachieve. There's this curious tentativeness about them every year and a lack of identity or sense of mission. They're crying out for a manager that can really get inside their heads.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on June 21, 2025, 10:47:24 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 21, 2025, 07:54:39 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 21, 2025, 07:51:13 PMJust feels like Cork haven't held their nerve, which you need to close out big tight games like this. Dublin don't look any great shakes either tbh, any of the 4 teams waiting will fancy a crack at them I'd say
If Cork had a proper leader they'd be contending.
Absolutely littered with quality athleticism and physicality.
No kickout strategy killing them
They're such an enigma. They're seriously impressive athletes and have a sprinkling of top class talent but they massively underachieve. There's this curious tentativeness about them every year and a lack of identity or sense of mission. They're crying out for a manager that can really get inside their heads.
Is the interest in Cork County Board to appoint that man?
And do Cavan need a figure like that?
Was it just my bias today or did the Dubs and Kerry get some very handy decisions at critical times.
Foreby that, neither Cork or Cavan looked like they had any belief that they could win. Cork in particular stood off the Dubs when they needed the ball in the last few minutes. Good job they've no following or they'd be driving their supporters demented!
Kerry did. Jerome Henry is a weak referee. But Cavan were very poor, and deservedly beaten
Quote from: APM on June 21, 2025, 11:00:38 PMWas it just my bias today or did the Dubs and Kerry get some very handy decisions at critical times.
Foreby that, neither Cork or Cavan looked like they had any belief that they could win. Cork in particular stood off the Dubs when they needed the ball in the last few minutes. Good job they've no following or they'd be driving their supporters demented!
Very debatable decisions not the first or last time a lot of 50/50 calls goes to Kerry,Dublin.
Not sure about belief with Cork, their legs appeared gone for the last 10 or 15 minutes of games, got away with it against Roscommon last week not so tonight. The next Cork manager will need to focus strongly on fitness and conditioning as more important than ever under these new rules now.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 21, 2025, 10:56:25 PMQuote from: cavanmaniac on June 21, 2025, 10:47:24 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 21, 2025, 07:54:39 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 21, 2025, 07:51:13 PMJust feels like Cork haven't held their nerve, which you need to close out big tight games like this. Dublin don't look any great shakes either tbh, any of the 4 teams waiting will fancy a crack at them I'd say
If Cork had a proper leader they'd be contending.
Absolutely littered with quality athleticism and physicality.
No kickout strategy killing them
They're such an enigma. They're seriously impressive athletes and have a sprinkling of top class talent but they massively underachieve. There's this curious tentativeness about them every year and a lack of identity or sense of mission. They're crying out for a manager that can really get inside their heads.
Is the interest in Cork County Board to appoint that man?
And do Cavan need a figure like that?
As far as I can see, Cavan first need a huge clearout and reset, administratively and strategically. Two Ulster SFC titles in 56 years, no All-Ireland final appearance since 1952, no underage All-Ireland titles since God knows when? All this should raise massive questions about the possibly overly political and clerical outlook of the people charged with stewardship of on-the-field matters in our county board, but we always and forever only focus on a narrow subset of the manager and the current crop of players, while the real hard questions go unasked time and again. We don't lack for resources or passion or hunger but you'd think even by accident, in all that time, we'd get it right even occasionally, so given the embarrassing cycle of failure you'd think there'd be some self-examination going on? But, not a squeak and as far as I can see, it's just one big circle-jerk at Cavan HQ where all the focus is on spending millions redeveloping the stadium, likely for other counties to come play their neutral ground championship matches in. Our one-time fellow strugglers show us how to get your house on order; Duignan shakes things up in Offaly, Louth pass us out, Meath exit the wilderness years, Down look somewhat resurgent and Monaghan routinely outperform us with a lower population. Donegal and Armagh have waxed and waned considerably over the more recent years too but Cavan's only consistency has been to prove resolutely allergic to any sort of lasting advancement. We're going nowhere until someone grasps the nettle and calls it out.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on June 22, 2025, 09:56:58 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 21, 2025, 10:56:25 PMQuote from: cavanmaniac on June 21, 2025, 10:47:24 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 21, 2025, 07:54:39 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 21, 2025, 07:51:13 PMJust feels like Cork haven't held their nerve, which you need to close out big tight games like this. Dublin don't look any great shakes either tbh, any of the 4 teams waiting will fancy a crack at them I'd say
If Cork had a proper leader they'd be contending.
Absolutely littered with quality athleticism and physicality.
No kickout strategy killing them
They're such an enigma. They're seriously impressive athletes and have a sprinkling of top class talent but they massively underachieve. There's this curious tentativeness about them every year and a lack of identity or sense of mission. They're crying out for a manager that can really get inside their heads.
Is the interest in Cork County Board to appoint that man?
And do Cavan need a figure like that?
As far as I can see, Cavan first need a huge clearout and reset, administratively and strategically. Two Ulster SFC titles in 56 years, no All-Ireland final appearance since 1952, no underage All-Ireland titles since God knows when? All this should raise massive questions about the possibly overly political and clerical outlook of the people charged with stewardship of on-the-field matters in our county board, but we always and forever only focus on a narrow subset of the manager and the current crop of players, while the real hard questions go unasked time and again. We don't lack for resources or passion or hunger but you'd think even by accident, in all that time, we'd get it right even occasionally, so given the embarrassing cycle of failure you'd think there'd be some self-examination going on? But, not a squeak and as far as I can see, it's just one big circle-jerk at Cavan HQ where all the focus is on spending millions redeveloping the stadium, likely for other counties to come play their neutral ground championship matches in. Our one-time fellow strugglers show us how to get your house on order; Duignan shakes things up in Offaly, Louth pass us out, Meath exit the wilderness years, Down look somewhat resurgent and Monaghan routinely outperform us with a lower population. Donegal and Armagh have waxed and waned considerably over the more recent years too but Cavan's only consistency has been to prove resolutely allergic to any sort of lasting advancement. We're going nowhere until someone grasps the nettle and calls it out.
Maybe stop playing your senior teams in ulster intermediate competitions..
Cavan persisted in entering the Leinster Junior Championship when Ulster mothballed the competition, there's an issue of identity in Cavan, weak free state mentality, as pointed out above, spending a bomb redeveloping a stadium for others to use as a neutral venue
Quote from: tiempo on June 22, 2025, 11:16:30 AMCavan persisted in entering the Leinster Junior Championship when Ulster mothballed the competition, there's an issue of identity in Cavan, weak free state mentality, as pointed out above, spending a bomb redeveloping a stadium for others to use as a neutral venue
Thats nonsense about playing in the Leinster junior. It was to give young players a chance after playing U21. The competition was a help for a few years. Cavan made the all ireland quarter final in 2013. A few players would have been involved with the juniors the year before.
Antrim play in Leinster hurling, but that must be ok because they are from the 6 counties?
Ronan Burns keeping down in it. Big wind for Galway too, down holding their own.
Yesterday if you went down play stopped not today.
How was that boy stopped?? Johnny Maher also should have been blown twice for steps coming out of defence.
10 mins left in the half and Galway haven't used the strong breeze nearly as well as they'd have liked. If Down can make it to HT within a few points, they'll really fancy their chances given their 2 pt ability combined with this wind
Edit: Walsh really picked it up then, everything good is going through him
Well fair to say Galway used the wind in the last 10 minutes! Walsh was class in that period. Even with a strong wind it's hard to see Down come back into it with a gap like that. They were only a point down after about 25 minutes and looking alright then, but just stopped playing then it seems
Shane Walsh on form is as good a player as anyone in Ireland
Interesting to see if Walsh comes out after the break
Big half needed from Down. Completely collapsed for the last ten mins there. Galway like a flick of a switch are 10 points up. Not insurmountable but Down need to use that breeze in the second half
RTE website saying wind favouring Galway in second half.
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 22, 2025, 02:42:31 PMRTE website saying wind favouring Galway in second half.
It is in favour of down
Well not a bad start to 2nd half, will need a few more of those
Taking off Branagan just after a great score and being really effective was a mistake. Only 1 pt down then, suddenly go in 10 pts down. Still have a chance with the wind tho. Hope Walsh is ok, such a wonderful player; if he can't play the 2nd half, will hardly be fir for next week (if they make it)
Bad call there. Definitely wide.
Eugene Branagan having an absolute stinker so far this half
So what happened there with that last free? Had flicked round to the other game
This is there for Down if they find a bit of composure.
Down need to settle themselves here, they've got back into the game very well and are getting loads of chances - but they're snatching at alot of shots and having silly wides. They could definitely win this if they just hold their nerve a bit better
Down kicking themselves out of it
Bad call on the advantage with Galway through on goal.
Great goal.
Great goal from Down there
Well now, some finish on here
If Down can compose themselves, this is still there for them with that wind
Well that's a sickener for Down, after all the goal chances they stopped, that a sucker punch at the end
This keep ball stuff is such a cancer. Incredibly dull way to end out matches.
Quote from: trileacman on June 22, 2025, 03:23:23 PMThis keep ball stuff is such a cancer. Incredibly dull way to end out matches.
It is, but the entire game used to be played that way rather than just last few mins
Hard luck Down, had a right go at it
Down will rue all those wides now.
Was some game.
A great game to win. Galway were really tested by Down but had the personnel to see the game out.
Cook made a big difference for Galway late on at midfield.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 22, 2025, 03:25:39 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 22, 2025, 03:23:23 PMThis keep ball stuff is such a cancer. Incredibly dull way to end out matches.
It is, but the entire game used to be played that way rather than just last few mins
What's your point?
If we could afford to butcher the rule book with changes we could have at least managed to counteract this keep-ball shite.
I mean we've 1 on 1 throw ins for some reason, a rule that only captain can talks to refs but nothing to stop teams jogging round MF in possession.
Downn kicked that away. Galway bench had a big influence. Matthew Thompson is a class footballer.
Quote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 03:29:04 PMCook made a big difference for Galway late on at midfield.
Yup, Down were pretty dominant on the kickouts and he changed it.
Down will rue some bad wides but little doubt Galway are the better team.
Good win that you'd think will stand to them but at what cost? McDaid and Walsh both off with knocks. Walsh seemed to be holding his groin and if so, should never have been asked to take that 45, even if they needed the points to settle them at the time.
Quote from: trileacman on June 22, 2025, 03:33:13 PMQuote from: Tubberman on June 22, 2025, 03:25:39 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 22, 2025, 03:23:23 PMThis keep ball stuff is such a cancer. Incredibly dull way to end out matches.
It is, but the entire game used to be played that way rather than just last few mins
What's your point?
If we could afford to butcher the rule book with changes we could have at least managed to counteract this keep-ball shite.
I mean we've 1 on 1 throw ins for some reason, a rule that only captain can talks to refs but nothing to stop teams jogging round MF in possession.
Do we don't want teams to have possession? They just have to get rid of the ball straight away?
How would that work for the likes of the club game?
Why does Joyce play injured players? Walsh should have been subbed before the first half ended, and then he came back out in the second half. He did it last year as well. That's serious short term thinking.
Down probably lacked the experience in the end. They briefly had Galway on the ropes but didn't make the most of it. Branagan's shooting was horrible at times. Never really felt like they were going to kick on.
Donegal - Louth to be delayed by the looks of things. Louth bus only arrived at 3.15 or something.
Quote from: trileacman on June 22, 2025, 03:23:23 PMThis keep ball stuff is such a cancer. Incredibly dull way to end out matches.
Mr Negative is back.. be some outburst from you against O'Rourke next weekend if Tyrone lose. Never a positive contribution..
Quote from: trileacman on June 22, 2025, 03:23:23 PMThis keep ball stuff is such a cancer. Incredibly dull way to end out matches.
Have you played much under the new rules yourself? Jesus Christ after an energy-sapping match like that players are fucked on their feet and changing the rules to create more and as much "chaos" as possible isn't feasible.
Some effort from Down. Will no doubt rue those easy misses early in second half. They're a work in progress though and I fully expect them to bounce straight back to Division 2 next season, just a shame they're not guaranteed AI football. Havern was well marshalled throughout but excellent performances from Magill, McGeough, Guinness, Murdock and Mooney when he came on. I feel Galway just have that extra experience and guile coming off the bench.
What's the delay for?
Was there bad traffic with the rally?
Quote from: general_lee on June 22, 2025, 03:43:22 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 22, 2025, 03:23:23 PMThis keep ball stuff is such a cancer. Incredibly dull way to end out matches.
Have you played much under the new rules yourself? Jesus Christ after an energy-sapping match like that players are fucked on their feet and changing the rules to create more and as much "chaos" as possible isn't feasible.
Some effort from Down. Will no doubt rue those easy misses early in second half. They're a work in progress though and I fully expect them to bounce straight back to Division 2 next season, just a shame they're not guaranteed AI football. Havern was well marshalled throughout but excellent performances from Magill, McGeough, Guinness, Murdock and Mooney when he came on. I feel Galway just have that extra experience and guile coming off the bench.
No haven't played under the new rules.
Hurling is chaotic, there's none of this passing back to the MF to keep possession. Generally players in scoring position shoot at goal. Despite that it's probably a much less energy sapping game that football, certainly any dual club player will tell you that hurling is a much easier sport to be match fit for.
More crap ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2025, 03:37:04 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 22, 2025, 03:33:13 PMQuote from: Tubberman on June 22, 2025, 03:25:39 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 22, 2025, 03:23:23 PMThis keep ball stuff is such a cancer. Incredibly dull way to end out matches.
It is, but the entire game used to be played that way rather than just last few mins
What's your point?
If we could afford to butcher the rule book with changes we could have at least managed to counteract this keep-ball shite.
I mean we've 1 on 1 throw ins for some reason, a rule that only captain can talks to refs but nothing to stop teams jogging round MF in possession.
Do we don't want teams to have possession? They just have to get rid of the ball straight away?
How would that work for the likes of the club game?
We could bring in rules that make it harder for a team to hold on to possession with the sole aim of running down the clock. We could change rules like the 3 up, time off for injuries or the hooter which make it easier for teams to run down the clock by fist passing the ball to each other around 50m out.
Rumours going round Louth Bus got lost leaving enniskillen today is that a piss take? 🤣
Ready made excuse for Jim today if they lose!
After a hugely enjoyable game of football, with a series of brilliant moments at both ends, from both teams, but a man wants to give off about not being entertained throughout... I'd suggest find a different hobby fella.
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Did Galway actually kick a wide in that match? They obviously forced 3 great stops from Burns. But they were so efficient in taking points. That - along with the introduction of Cooke - was the difference in the sides, ultimately.
Odhran was again exceptional and he'd great help from 3-4 others, particularly Mooney when introduced. Eugene's first half cameo was excellent but he didn't have a great second half.
It was a good championship all told. We are still a couple of players light from being able to compete at the highest end. But the gap is, thankfully, closing fast.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 22, 2025, 04:04:56 PMAfter a hugely enjoyable game of football, with a series of brilliant moments at both ends, from both teams, but a man wants to give off about not being entertained throughout... I'd suggest find a different hobby fella.
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Did Galway actually kick a wide in that match? They obviously forced 3 great stops from Burns. But they were so efficient in taking points. That - along with the introduction of Cooke - was the difference in the sides, ultimately.
Odhran was again exceptional and he'd great help from 3-4 others, particularly Mooney when introduced. Eugene's first half cameo was excellent but he didn't have a great second half.
It was a good championship all told. We are still a couple of players light from being able to compete at the highest end. But the gap is, thankfully, closing fast.
Galway hit a wide with the last kick of the first half. May have been more but remember that one specifically
Some savage scores kicked from both sides.
It looked like we would be overtaken with 20 mins left. We found it so difficult to win primary possession. Down hoovered up the breaks around the middle.
I can't fathom the decision to drop Gleeson for Flaherty last week that continued on today.
Cost us quite a few scores. We are also not clinical at all when it comes to taking goal chances.
Hope Shane is okay for next week.
Matthew Thompson was the best player on the pitch for me.
Quote from: SaffronSports on June 22, 2025, 04:22:47 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 22, 2025, 04:04:56 PMAfter a hugely enjoyable game of football, with a series of brilliant moments at both ends, from both teams, but a man wants to give off about not being entertained throughout... I'd suggest find a different hobby fella.
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Did Galway actually kick a wide in that match? They obviously forced 3 great stops from Burns. But they were so efficient in taking points. That - along with the introduction of Cooke - was the difference in the sides, ultimately.
Odhran was again exceptional and he'd great help from 3-4 others, particularly Mooney when introduced. Eugene's first half cameo was excellent but he didn't have a great second half.
It was a good championship all told. We are still a couple of players light from being able to compete at the highest end. But the gap is, thankfully, closing fast.
Galway hit a wide with the last kick of the first half. May have been more but remember that one specifically
One wide. 2 off the post. 2 or 3 goal chances saved.
Donegal not looking too sharp today so far.
Quote from: OakLeaf on June 22, 2025, 04:31:59 PMDonegal not looking too sharp today so far.
No we're not. Far too slow and laboured. Louth are just blocking up the centre of the arc and forcing shots under pressure.
Jim might need to manufacture an ould flashpoint on the sideline, that usually lights the fires for them!
Jasus lads. Watching all of these games (I missed the Kerry one) I feel a little confident that we would beat Dublin Galway and so far Donegal if they play like that against us.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 04:47:38 PMJasus lads. Watching all of these games (I missed the Kerry one) I feel a little confident that we would beat Dublin Galway and so far Donegal if they play like that against us.
yes, Meath should win it out from here
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 04:47:38 PMJasus lads. Watching all of these games (I missed the Kerry one) I feel a little confident that we would beat Dublin Galway and so far Donegal if they play like that against us.
Will ye please give it a rest for a little while....
Great crowds at 2 games today
Murphy's radar is off a bit at the start of this half. Wonder is the heavy schedule starting to catch up on him, honestly I'm amazed he's played so much already this season.
Quote from: Schkite on June 22, 2025, 05:08:18 PMMurphy's radar is off a bit at the start of this half. Wonder is the heavy schedule starting to catch up on him, honestly I'm amazed he's played so much already this season.
Aye, and there's more than Murphy struggling. Donegal look a bit leggy today again.
Quote from: meathie on June 22, 2025, 04:56:53 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 04:47:38 PMJasus lads. Watching all of these games (I missed the Kerry one) I feel a little confident that we would beat Dublin Galway and so far Donegal if they play like that against us.
Will ye please give it a rest for a little while....
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No
say it ain't so! the ref has the audacity to show Murphy the yellow card.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 22, 2025, 04:52:33 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 04:47:38 PMJasus lads. Watching all of these games (I missed the Kerry one) I feel a little confident that we would beat Dublin Galway and so far Donegal if they play like that against us.
yes, Meath should win it out from here
Quote from: Tubberman on June 22, 2025, 04:52:33 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 04:47:38 PMJasus lads. Watching all of these games (I missed the Kerry one) I feel a little confident that we would beat Dublin Galway and so far Donegal if they play like that against us.
yes, Meath should win it out from here
No we won't but if they all play like that neither will Galway Dublin or Donegal.
From what I've seen it's armaghs or maybe Tyrone's . None of the teams left would beat either of them
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 05:10:05 PMQuote from: meathie on June 22, 2025, 04:56:53 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 04:47:38 PMJasus lads. Watching all of these games (I missed the Kerry one) I feel a little confident that we would beat Dublin Galway and so far Donegal if they play like that against us.
Will ye please give it a rest for a little while....
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No
Been a while since there was a complete melter on the board... Good work
If Donegal get through, and if they don't get a favourable draw, they could get run ragged in CP next weekend #if
G Bomber Destro ain't away that long!
God this game is woeful in comparison to the earlier one..... hard watching atm
Nice finish, but that was really awful defending from Louth. A high Donegal pass to a man in space, and the full back pushes right up on him even though he wasn't going to get to the ball. So when Thompson collected it, he just had to sidestep the defender and he's through on goal
Donegal will run out handy winners now
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 04:47:38 PMJasus lads. Watching all of these games (I missed the Kerry one) I feel a little confident that we would beat Dublin Galway and so far Donegal if they play like that against us.
:D loving you're enthusiasm. Yous are going to get chinned next week. The four games were comfortable enough for the favourites this weekend. Did what they had to do without being put under huge pressure. Louth beat Meath ffs! Put on your TV 8)
Quote from: meathie on June 22, 2025, 05:19:29 PMGod this game is woeful in comparison to the earlier one..... hard watching atm
Donegal games tend to be hard viewing. Their approach is robotic and risk adverse.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 22, 2025, 05:18:01 PMG Bomber Destro ain't away that long!
Pre-covid times? The mighty Stallion too, put out to pasture too soon
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 22, 2025, 05:23:37 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 04:47:38 PMJasus lads. Watching all of these games (I missed the Kerry one) I feel a little confident that we would beat Dublin Galway and so far Donegal if they play like that against us.
:D loving you're enthusiasm. Yous are going to get chinned next week. The four games were comfortable enough for the favourites this weekend. Did what they had to do without being put under huge pressure. Louth beat Meath ffs! Put on your TV 8)
have beat two of them comfortably already. So I'm confident
Donegal are still playing the old rules.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 22, 2025, 05:14:10 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 05:10:05 PMQuote from: meathie on June 22, 2025, 04:56:53 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 04:47:38 PMJasus lads. Watching all of these games (I missed the Kerry one) I feel a little confident that we would beat Dublin Galway and so far Donegal if they play like that against us.
Will ye please give it a rest for a little while....
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No
Been a while since there was a complete melter on the board... Good work
If Donegal get through, and if they don't get a favourable draw, they could get run ragged in CP next weekend #if
Meath or Monaghan. The two handiest they could get
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 05:25:18 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 22, 2025, 05:23:37 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 04:47:38 PMJasus lads. Watching all of these games (I missed the Kerry one) I feel a little confident that we would beat Dublin Galway and so far Donegal if they play like that against us.
:D loving you're enthusiasm. Yous are going to get chinned next week. The four games were comfortable enough for the favourites this weekend. Did what they had to do without being put under huge pressure. Louth beat Meath ffs! Put on your TV 8)
have beat two of them comfortably already. So I'm confident
Is knock-out time now... be a whole different animal. Ruthless not complacent.
When's the draw?
Quote from: Main Street on June 22, 2025, 05:11:38 PMsay it ain't so! the ref has the audacity to show Murphy the yellow card.
Must have been a case of mistaken identity, surely?
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2025, 05:27:37 PMQuote from: JoG2 on June 22, 2025, 05:14:10 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 05:10:05 PMQuote from: meathie on June 22, 2025, 04:56:53 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 04:47:38 PMJasus lads. Watching all of these games (I missed the Kerry one) I feel a little confident that we would beat Dublin Galway and so far Donegal if they play like that against us.
Will ye please give it a rest for a little while....
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No
Been a while since there was a complete melter on the board... Good work
If Donegal get through, and if they don't get a favourable draw, they could get run ragged in CP next weekend #if
Meath or Monaghan. The two handiest they could get
Well played! 😄
Donegal players straight off the field.
PC brigade will be out in force on that one.
Does this confirm Armagh Kerry next weekend?
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 04:47:38 PMJasus lads. Watching all of these games (I missed the Kerry one) I feel a little confident that we would beat Dublin Galway and so far Donegal if they play like that against us.
Donegal, far from their best today, still beat a team by 16 points, that beat youse. Let's see how next week pans out before you get too carried away. Like the optimism though 😀
So Tyrone v Dublin or Galway..
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 22, 2025, 05:45:20 PMDonegal players straight off the field.
PC brigade will be out in force on that one.
To be fair they look like they need as much rest as they can get before next week.
Whatever trick or psych it was that Jim pulled out at half time, it definitely did the job!
Murphy's two-pointer was probably the killer score from a Louth point of view. It turbo-charged Donegal's dominance and after Thompson's brilliantly taken goal and then the black card, it was game over.
Great return to form by Gallen on his home patch. Roarty gets better and better each game.
8 best teams in the country in quarters would you agree?
Quote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 05:50:01 PMWhatever trick or psych it was that Jim pulled out at half time, it definitely did the job!
Murphy's two-pointer was probably the killer score from a Louth point of view. It turbo-charged Donegal's dominance and after Thompson's brilliantly taken goal and then the black card, it was game over.
Great return to form by Gallen on his home patch. Roarty gets better and better each game.
Aye, a real purple patch there for 10-15 minutes. Roarty is a gem. Gallen was very good but he's not back to his brilliant best just yet. Going the right direction though.
Quote from: galwayman on June 22, 2025, 04:26:23 PMSome savage scores kicked from both sides.
It looked like we would be overtaken with 20 mins left. We found it so difficult to win primary possession. Down hoovered up the breaks around the middle.
I can't fathom the decision to drop Gleeson for Flaherty last week that continued on today.
Cost us quite a few scores. We are also not clinical at all when it comes to taking goal chances.
Hope Shane is okay for next week.
Matthew Thompson was the best player on the pitch for me.
Apart from the kickouts I thought Flaherty's positioning for the first Down goal was very poor. He obviously lost sense of where his posts were as he came so far over that he left a big gap to his right hand side. Down player had a huge target to hit into the far corner.
Thompson must be running away with YPOTY at the moment. Will come down to the last few rounds though.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 22, 2025, 05:51:25 PM8 best teams in the country in quarters would you agree?
yeah can't really argue. Some will say mayo but they couldn't beat Cavan. So yes
Anyone else really dislike Joanne Cantwell's presenting style. Always a snarky comment to make. Not very personable. I dont get how she has the gig.
Quote from: OakLeaf on June 22, 2025, 05:46:41 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 04:47:38 PMJasus lads. Watching all of these games (I missed the Kerry one) I feel a little confident that we would beat Dublin Galway and so far Donegal if they play like that against us.
Donegal, far from their best today, still beat a team by 16 points, that beat youse. Let's see how next week pans out before you get too carried away. Like the optimism though 😀
ahh way too much been read into that game left it behind us big time. That been said would love to see this game happen. Think Donegal will be the same as dubs and Kerry before hand. Underestimate the huge threat Meath possess
Quote from: Stickittotheman on June 22, 2025, 06:02:57 PMAnyone else really dislike Joanne Cantwell's presenting style. Always a snarky comment to make. Not very personable. I dont get how she has the gig.
Should have went to Evanne ni chuilinn but she is lost to politics now.
Quote from: Stickittotheman on June 22, 2025, 06:02:57 PMAnyone else really dislike Joanne Cantwell's presenting style. Always a snarky comment to make. Not very personable. I dont get how she has the gig.
100% yes. She's a pain in the hole
Yep.
This thread reads like Meath favourites for ai. Not sure how that happened...
After years upon years of Meath not being liked, the vast majority of neutrals are now rooting for Meath. A very likeable team
All that needs to happen is for their fans to keep stum and not turn arrogant at the first sign of some decent results
And yet...
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2025, 06:21:41 PMYep.
This thread reads like Meath favourites for ai. Not sure how that happened...
People can't be arsed fighting down the idiot energy
Only getting the chance to watch down galway here now
Eugene Branagans shooting is disgraceful for a county footballer
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2025, 06:21:41 PMYep.
This thread reads like Meath favourites for ai. Not sure how that happened...
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Don't know where you getting that from. Even myself the most positive Meath person would say our road will likely end in semi finals. The trick is to get there.
Now next year ? That may be a different story
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2025, 05:27:37 PMQuote from: JoG2 on June 22, 2025, 05:14:10 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 05:10:05 PMQuote from: meathie on June 22, 2025, 04:56:53 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 04:47:38 PMJasus lads. Watching all of these games (I missed the Kerry one) I feel a little confident that we would beat Dublin Galway and so far Donegal if they play like that against us.
Will ye please give it a rest for a little while....
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No
Been a while since there was a complete melter on the board... Good work
If Donegal get through, and if they don't get a favourable draw, they could get run ragged in CP next weekend #if
Meath or Monaghan. The two handiest they could get
Some years your luck is just in
Quote from: Manning18 on June 22, 2025, 06:24:51 PMAfter years upon years of Meath not being liked, the vast majority of neutrals are now rooting for Meath. A very likeable team
All that needs to happen is for their fans to keep stum and not turn arrogant at the first sign of some decent results
And yet...
Meath have never been liked. Even during the Barron years. Never bothered me or anyone else. The 31 v 1 was very evident in Leinster final this year.
What's more is we have a manager and players that we can be arrogant about so we might as well be.
Do we care that some people will shout against us ? No it's how we roll. We thrive off it
Again won't win All Ireland this year. But it has been great to finally make the breakthrough that we knew this special group of very young players can do. For majority it is all about winning the all Ireland next or following year. The good times are back.
Hon the royal
Some confidence from a team that got pumped by Louth.
Can we bar this lad for been so annoying?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 22, 2025, 06:26:09 PMOnly getting the chance to watch down galway here now
Eugene Branagans shooting is disgraceful for a county footballer
County team standard not good enough for the Kilcoo boys, remember.
Meath are back?!
What have they actually done? Couldn't beat Louth. Beat an average enough Kerry team who had five or six injuries, who were through anyway. They only drew with Roscommon and beat Cork. Everybody beats Cork. Well, except Roscommon , who Meath couldn't beat.
No doubt a tired, out of sorts Donegal will draw Meath. Beat them with a flukey goal , with Murphy decapitating someone and still not getting a yellow.
Something tells me it will be a Galway Donegal final. Two teams that should have been out long ago.
Is it set that the Galway and Donegal quarters will be next Sunday then? Can only imagine what Jim will be saying if they were to have a 6 day turnaround
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 06:36:59 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 22, 2025, 06:24:51 PMAfter years upon years of Meath not being liked, the vast majority of neutrals are now rooting for Meath. A very likeable team
All that needs to happen is for their fans to keep stum and not turn arrogant at the first sign of some decent results
And yet...
Meath have never been liked. Even during the Barron years. Never bothered me or anyone else. The 31 v 1 was very evident in Leinster final this year.
What's more is we have a manager and players that we can be arrogant about so we might as well be.
Do we care that some people will shout against us ? No it's how we roll. We thrive off it
Again won't win All Ireland this year. But it has been great to finally make the breakthrough that we knew this special group of very young players can do. For majority it is all about winning the all Ireland next or following year. The good times are back.
Hon the royal
The best service you can do for your county is to stop posting on multiple different websites over the following few weeks
Quote from: gallsman on June 22, 2025, 06:47:08 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 22, 2025, 06:26:09 PMOnly getting the chance to watch down galway here now
Eugene Branagans shooting is disgraceful for a county footballer
County team standard not good enough for the Kilcoo boys, remember.
Yes I do remember that interview
By all accounts he's not well liked in down with his off the ball antics.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 22, 2025, 07:03:59 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 06:36:59 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 22, 2025, 06:24:51 PMAfter years upon years of Meath not being liked, the vast majority of neutrals are now rooting for Meath. A very likeable team
All that needs to happen is for their fans to keep stum and not turn arrogant at the first sign of some decent results
And yet...
Meath have never been liked. Even during the Barron years. Never bothered me or anyone else. The 31 v 1 was very evident in Leinster final this year.
What's more is we have a manager and players that we can be arrogant about so we might as well be.
Do we care that some people will shout against us ? No it's how we roll. We thrive off it
Again won't win All Ireland this year. But it has been great to finally make the breakthrough that we knew this special group of very young players can do. For majority it is all about winning the all Ireland next or following year. The good times are back.
Hon the royal
The best service you can do for your county is to stop posting on multiple different websites over the following few weeks
Thanks for the advice. But nah
Quote from: SaffronSports on June 22, 2025, 06:43:07 PMSome confidence from a team that got pumped by Louth.
More to do with hammering Kerry and Dublin. But sure tell me who do you support?
Quote from: Schkite on June 22, 2025, 06:49:59 PMIs it set that the Galway and Donegal quarters will be next Sunday then? Can only imagine what Jim will be saying if they were to have a 6 day turnaround
Would it not make sense and be fair all around given that the Dubs and Kerry played yesterday?
Would Jim be out of order to point this out?
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 06:49:21 PMMeath are back?!
What have they actually done? Couldn't beat Louth. Beat an average enough Kerry team who had five or six injuries, who were through anyway. They only drew with Roscommon and beat Cork. Everybody beats Cork. Well, except Roscommon , who Meath couldn't beat.
No doubt a tired, out of sorts Donegal will draw Meath. Beat them with a flukey goal , with Murphy decapitating someone and still not getting a yellow.
Something tells me it will be a Galway Donegal final. Two teams that should have been out long ago.
Seems to be quite a campaign you're all mounting against Murphy the past few weeks, on this and other online locations.
In fairness Robbie Brennan seems to have had a huge impact om Meath's fortunes in a very short space of time.
I remember Colm O'Rourke referring to the Meath job as a long-term project - up to 5 years.
Meath have the players and with the right manager at the helm can be justifiably optimistic about their prospects.
Quote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:15:10 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 22, 2025, 06:49:59 PMIs it set that the Galway and Donegal quarters will be next Sunday then? Can only imagine what Jim will be saying if they were to have a 6 day turnaround
Would it not make sense and be fair all around given that the Dubs and Kerry played yesterday?
Would Jim be out of order to point this out?
If Jim wants people to pay attention then he'd do well to not have them doing 4 or 5 sessions over those 6 days
Quote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:15:10 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 22, 2025, 06:49:59 PMIs it set that the Galway and Donegal quarters will be next Sunday then? Can only imagine what Jim will be saying if they were to have a 6 day turnaround
Would it not make sense and be fair all around given that the Dubs and Kerry played yesterday?
Would Jim be out of order to point this out?
Interesting dynamic which of the two factors win out? Giving the two teams that played today a 7 day turnaround or RTE showing the Armagh v Kerry game, otherwise the biggest of the QFs won't be free to air.
Quote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:15:10 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 22, 2025, 06:49:59 PMIs it set that the Galway and Donegal quarters will be next Sunday then? Can only imagine what Jim will be saying if they were to have a 6 day turnaround
Would it not make sense and be fair all around given that the Dubs and Kerry played yesterday?
Would Jim be out of order to point this out?
Relax, it's a genuine question. I'm just wondering has this been mentioned anywhere yet so we'll know what games are what days once the draw is made
It's completely unfair if Kerry get 8 days and either ourselves or Donegal get 6.
Nothing else should come into that decision.
Armagh should take Kerry out. Dublin, Galway are looking vulnerable for next week but Galway might find a way to progress again.
Of the four winners this weekend Donegal look best placed to win next week and if they do will be hard stopped in the business end of this championship.
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 22, 2025, 07:20:08 PMIn fairness Robbie Brennan seems to have had a huge impact om Meath's fortunes in a very short space of time.
I remember Colm O'Rourke referring to the Meath job as a long-term project - up to 5 years.
Meath have the players and with the right manager at the helm can be justifiably optimistic about their prospects.
Indeed. Already a good year. One more win makes it a great year
Quote from: SaffronSports on June 22, 2025, 07:23:00 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:15:10 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 22, 2025, 06:49:59 PMIs it set that the Galway and Donegal quarters will be next Sunday then? Can only imagine what Jim will be saying if they were to have a 6 day turnaround
Would it not make sense and be fair all around given that the Dubs and Kerry played yesterday?
Would Jim be out of order to point this out?
If Jim wants people to pay attention then he'd do well to not have them doing 4 or 5 sessions over those 6 days
Is this true or an internet rumour?
Quote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:18:03 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 06:49:21 PMMeath are back?!
What have they actually done? Couldn't beat Louth. Beat an average enough Kerry team who had five or six injuries, who were through anyway. They only drew with Roscommon and beat Cork. Everybody beats Cork. Well, except Roscommon , who Meath couldn't beat.
No doubt a tired, out of sorts Donegal will draw Meath. Beat them with a flukey goal , with Murphy decapitating someone and still not getting a yellow.
Something tells me it will be a Galway Donegal final. Two teams that should have been out long ago.
Seems to be quite a campaign you're all mounting against Murphy the past few weeks, on this and other online locations.
I don't think there's a campaign against Murphy. More a campaign against referees who haven't punished his actions appropriately
Quote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:44:09 PMQuote from: SaffronSports on June 22, 2025, 07:23:00 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:15:10 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 22, 2025, 06:49:59 PMIs it set that the Galway and Donegal quarters will be next Sunday then? Can only imagine what Jim will be saying if they were to have a 6 day turnaround
Would it not make sense and be fair all around given that the Dubs and Kerry played yesterday?
Would Jim be out of order to point this out?
If Jim wants people to pay attention then he'd do well to not have them doing 4 or 5 sessions over those 6 days
Is this true or an internet rumour?
Do people seriously think IC teams are running the balls off players in the week between games ? Club teams don't do it, isn't it all about load management these days ?
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 22, 2025, 07:49:03 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:44:09 PMQuote from: SaffronSports on June 22, 2025, 07:23:00 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:15:10 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 22, 2025, 06:49:59 PMIs it set that the Galway and Donegal quarters will be next Sunday then? Can only imagine what Jim will be saying if they were to have a 6 day turnaround
Would it not make sense and be fair all around given that the Dubs and Kerry played yesterday?
Would Jim be out of order to point this out?
If Jim wants people to pay attention then he'd do well to not have them doing 4 or 5 sessions over those 6 days
Is this true or an internet rumour?
Do people seriously think IC teams are running the balls off players in the week between games ? Club teams don't do it, isn't it all about load management these days ?
I would have assumed that load management, rest and light, tactical and skills training was a given.
You brought up flogging the players.
Quote from: galwayman on June 22, 2025, 07:27:31 PMIt's completely unfair if Kerry get 8 days and either ourselves or Donegal get 6.
Nothing else should come into that decision.
Yeah 100%.
But if Meath drew Dublin I don't know if that game and a double header with our game would work ticket wise, be some scramble.
Quote from: trileacman on June 22, 2025, 03:56:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2025, 03:53:42 PMMore crap ;D
What is?
Intercounty footballers are fitter than intercounty hurlers..
Give me the stats on that please
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 22, 2025, 08:04:27 PMQuote from: galwayman on June 22, 2025, 07:27:31 PMIt's completely unfair if Kerry get 8 days and either ourselves or Donegal get 6.
Nothing else should come into that decision.
Yeah 100%.
But if Meath drew Dublin I don't know if that game and a double header with our game would work ticket wise, be some scramble.
I hear ya. Would be a mad scramble alright.
But I do think that should be a secondary consideration behind giving every team a 7 day turnaround.
Quote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:55:03 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on June 22, 2025, 07:49:03 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:44:09 PMQuote from: SaffronSports on June 22, 2025, 07:23:00 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:15:10 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 22, 2025, 06:49:59 PMIs it set that the Galway and Donegal quarters will be next Sunday then? Can only imagine what Jim will be saying if they were to have a 6 day turnaround
Would it not make sense and be fair all around given that the Dubs and Kerry played yesterday?
Would Jim be out of order to point this out?
If Jim wants people to pay attention then he'd do well to not have them doing 4 or 5 sessions over those 6 days
Is this true or an internet rumour?
Do people seriously think IC teams are running the balls off players in the week between games ? Club teams don't do it, isn't it all about load management these days ?
I would have assumed that load management, rest and light, tactical and skills training was a given.
You brought up flogging the players.
That was SaffronSports, not me
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 07:48:23 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:18:03 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 06:49:21 PMMeath are back?!
What have they actually done? Couldn't beat Louth. Beat an average enough Kerry team who had five or six injuries, who were through anyway. They only drew with Roscommon and beat Cork. Everybody beats Cork. Well, except Roscommon , who Meath couldn't beat.
No doubt a tired, out of sorts Donegal will draw Meath. Beat them with a flukey goal , with Murphy decapitating someone and still not getting a yellow.
Something tells me it will be a Galway Donegal final. Two teams that should have been out long ago.
Seems to be quite a campaign you're all mounting against Murphy the past few weeks, on this and other online locations.
I don't think there's a campaign against Murphy. More a campaign against referees who haven't punished his actions appropriately
He's hardly the only player who has gotten away with questionable "tackles" because referees get a single, real-time, on-field look at a split second sequence of play.
Plus he's been sent off a few times for very marginal offenses. That's the way it goes.
But yeah, I get it. Opposition fans make enough noise and maybe the next time the ref will pressured to pull out the red card even if he hasn't seen enough to justify it.
FFS even today people are making a big deal out of him getting a routine yellow for a high tackle that you see every game and for which he himself has received yellows many times. Although many of the same people will be the ones screaming cheater at Ryan McHugh when he goes down after being on the receiving end of a similar tackle.
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 22, 2025, 08:08:44 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:55:03 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on June 22, 2025, 07:49:03 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:44:09 PMQuote from: SaffronSports on June 22, 2025, 07:23:00 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:15:10 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 22, 2025, 06:49:59 PMIs it set that the Galway and Donegal quarters will be next Sunday then? Can only imagine what Jim will be saying if they were to have a 6 day turnaround
Would it not make sense and be fair all around given that the Dubs and Kerry played yesterday?
Would Jim be out of order to point this out?
If Jim wants people to pay attention then he'd do well to not have them doing 4 or 5 sessions over those 6 days
Is this true or an internet rumour?
Do people seriously think IC teams are running the balls off players in the week between games ? Club teams don't do it, isn't it all about load management these days ?
I would have assumed that load management, rest and light, tactical and skills training was a given.
You brought up flogging the players.
That was SaffronSports, not me
Ah Jaysus, sorry lad!
Hard to keep track!
Meath are 40/1
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/all-ireland-sfc/winner
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2025, 08:13:40 PMMeath are 40/1
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/all-ireland-sfc/winner
Donegal gone favourites with Paddy Power.
They obviously reckon Meaths season will come to a sorry end next week.
Quote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 08:10:12 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 07:48:23 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:18:03 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 06:49:21 PMMeath are back?!
What have they actually done? Couldn't beat Louth. Beat an average enough Kerry team who had five or six injuries, who were through anyway. They only drew with Roscommon and beat Cork. Everybody beats Cork. Well, except Roscommon , who Meath couldn't beat.
No doubt a tired, out of sorts Donegal will draw Meath. Beat them with a flukey goal , with Murphy decapitating someone and still not getting a yellow.
Something tells me it will be a Galway Donegal final. Two teams that should have been out long ago.
Seems to be quite a campaign you're all mounting against Murphy the past few weeks, on this and other online locations.
I don't think there's a campaign against Murphy. More a campaign against referees who haven't punished his actions appropriately
He's hardly the only player who has gotten away with questionable "tackles" because referees get a single, real-time, on-field look at a split second sequence of play.
Plus he's been sent off a few times for very marginal offenses. That's the way it goes.
But yeah, I get it. Opposition fans make enough noise and maybe the next time the ref will pressured to pull out the red card even if he hasn't seen enough to justify it.
FFS even today people are making a big deal out of him getting a routine yellow for a high tackle that you see every game and for which he himself has received yellows many times. Although many of the same people will be the ones screaming cheater at Ryan McHugh when he goes down after being on the receiving end of a similar tackle.
McHugh is a diving huer.
And I've never seen a ref go and stop the game so a player could stretch his cramp before lol
McGuinness reminds me of them hures who have 25 different rules for a game of pool and its their way or no way. Shots don't carry, have to play down the table on a free shot, name yer pocket for the black, he loves the zen master vibe but really he's just a control freak
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 22, 2025, 08:04:27 PMQuote from: galwayman on June 22, 2025, 07:27:31 PMIt's completely unfair if Kerry get 8 days and either ourselves or Donegal get 6.
Nothing else should come into that decision.
Yeah 100%.
But if Meath drew Dublin I don't know if that game and a double header with our game would work ticket wise, be some scramble.
Armagh v Kerry and Meath v Dublin won't work. Either one could almost seek out croke park on its own I'd say.
I've feeling we'll get Donegal. Don't know when we last beat them in any competition.
Had a few draws in the league when Big Joe, Cian Ward and Bray were still in the team but we've never fared well against them in the championship and to be honest if I had to guess it might even be 1990 in the semifinal we last beat them in championship football.
Our only hope is they run out of legs but they have such a strong bench I don't think it'll be a problem. We don't know who is fit in our team but we have proven we have a bit of depth to our panel.
Running the rule over the year so far, disastrous first half against Offaly, spectacular second half.
Beat an out of sorts Dublin team that have improved since.
Lost to Louth as we went out of the game for a long period in the second half.
Decent showing against Cork on a rotten day.
Couldn't hold onto a lead vs Roscommon but managed to prevent a loss at the death.
Beat a depleted Kerry team with a depleted Meath team.
Hard to know how we stack up against the rest left in it but I think we haven't had to beat a top team near their best yet.
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 22, 2025, 11:22:30 AMQuote from: tiempo on June 22, 2025, 11:16:30 AMCavan persisted in entering the Leinster Junior Championship when Ulster mothballed the competition, there's an issue of identity in Cavan, weak free state mentality, as pointed out above, spending a bomb redeveloping a stadium for others to use as a neutral venue
Thats nonsense about playing in the Leinster junior. It was to give young players a chance after playing U21. The competition was a help for a few years. Cavan made the all ireland quarter final in 2013. A few players would have been involved with the juniors the year before.
Antrim play in Leinster hurling, but that must be ok because they are from the 6 counties?
Cavan bet Fermanagh and London in the qualifiers to reach a quarter final, some run
I don't know why the obsession with Meath and winning all ire is coming from. A few bitter posters that can't stand Meath ? I don't know. No one would even consider Meath All Ireland contenders this year. 150/1 would be more realistic.
What I have said is I think we will make semis. I believe there is another huge game in the most exciting team in country this year. But inexperience will cost us.
So can I be clear we will not win all ire this year. But next ???
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 08:24:15 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 22, 2025, 08:04:27 PMQuote from: galwayman on June 22, 2025, 07:27:31 PMIt's completely unfair if Kerry get 8 days and either ourselves or Donegal get 6.
Nothing else should come into that decision.
Yeah 100%.
But if Meath drew Dublin I don't know if that game and a double header with our game would work ticket wise, be some scramble.
Armagh v Kerry and Meath v Dublin won't work. Either one could almost seek out croke park on its own I'd say.
Depends if Kerry support bother their hole, you'd like to think they will.
Anyway, see what the draw brings but in fairness Galway and Donegal should get the Sunday games.
I think it's silly teams not being able to meet again in knock out games.
Who cares if two teams meet again?
Makes a f"^k up of the draw.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 22, 2025, 08:20:32 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 08:10:12 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 07:48:23 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:18:03 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 06:49:21 PMMeath are back?!
What have they actually done? Couldn't beat Louth. Beat an average enough Kerry team who had five or six injuries, who were through anyway. They only drew with Roscommon and beat Cork. Everybody beats Cork. Well, except Roscommon , who Meath couldn't beat.
No doubt a tired, out of sorts Donegal will draw Meath. Beat them with a flukey goal , with Murphy decapitating someone and still not getting a yellow.
Something tells me it will be a Galway Donegal final. Two teams that should have been out long ago.
Seems to be quite a campaign you're all mounting against Murphy the past few weeks, on this and other online locations.
I don't think there's a campaign against Murphy. More a campaign against referees who haven't punished his actions appropriately
He's hardly the only player who has gotten away with questionable "tackles" because referees get a single, real-time, on-field look at a split second sequence of play.
Plus he's been sent off a few times for very marginal offenses. That's the way it goes.
But yeah, I get it. Opposition fans make enough noise and maybe the next time the ref will pressured to pull out the red card even if he hasn't seen enough to justify it.
FFS even today people are making a big deal out of him getting a routine yellow for a high tackle that you see every game and for which he himself has received yellows many times. Although many of the same people will be the ones screaming cheater at Ryan McHugh when he goes down after being on the receiving end of a similar tackle.
McHugh is a diving huer.
And I've never seen a ref go and stop the game so a player could stretch his cramp before lol
Yeah McHugh is such a diver that he conjured up three concussions one year and missed a bunch of county and club games.
Although some on here at the time commented that it was his own fault for the way he plays (and his size I guess). You can't win.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 08:28:22 PMI don't know why the obsession with Meath and winning all ire is coming from. A few bitter posters that can't stand Meath ? I don't know. No one would even consider Meath All Ireland contenders this year. 150/1 would be more realistic.
What I have said is I think we will make semis. I believe there is another huge game in the most exciting team in country this year. But inexperience will cost us.
So can I be clear we will not win all ire this year. But next ???
:D you're relentless all these posts about Meath. Congratulations on reaching the quarter-final really happy for you 😊 Abscence makes the heart grow fonder and all that. I'd be very surprised if yous make the semi-final but sure give it a go and tighten that back line... Last time I seen yous in Croke Park, Louth were scoring goals for fun!
Quote from: thejuice on June 22, 2025, 08:25:38 PMI've feeling we'll get Donegal. Don't know when we last beat them in any competition.
Had a few draws in the league when Big Joe, Cian Ward and Bray were still in the team but we've never fared well against them in the championship and to be honest if I had to guess it might even be 1990 in the semifinal we last beat them in championship football.
Our only hope is they run out of legs but they have such a strong bench I don't think it'll be a problem. We don't know who is fit in our team but we have proven we have a bit of depth to our panel.
Running the rule over the year so far, disastrous first half against Offaly, spectacular second half.
Beat an out of sorts Dublin team that have improved since.
Lost to Louth as we went out of the game for a long period in the second half.
Decent showing against Cork on a rotten day.
Couldn't hold onto a lead vs Roscommon but managed to prevent a loss at the death.
Beat a depleted Kerry team with a depleted Meath team.
Hard to know how we stack up against the rest left in it but I think we haven't had to beat a top team near their best yet.
I don't remember how the 90s league games went, but championship I think it would have been the 1990 AI semi (an important lesson, but also well spring of belief, for that Donegal team at the time).
We haven't played that much in the championship though.
2002 qualifier
I think there was a mid-2010s qualifier in Navan and maybe a Super 8s game in Ballybofey in more recent years?
I recall McBrearty getting a last kick winner in the Navan one.
There was also that Div 2 final when Newman took a young Brendan McCole to the cleaners to the extent that Neil McGee was brought in after 20 minutes to stem the flow. 2019 maybe?
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 22, 2025, 09:06:40 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 08:28:22 PMI don't know why the obsession with Meath and winning all ire is coming from. A few bitter posters that can't stand Meath ? I don't know. No one would even consider Meath All Ireland contenders this year. 150/1 would be more realistic.
What I have said is I think we will make semis. I believe there is another huge game in the most exciting team in country this year. But inexperience will cost us.
So can I be clear we will not win all ire this year. But next ???
:D you're relentless all these posts about Meath. Congratulations on reaching the quarter-final really happy for you 😊 Abscence makes the heart grow fonder and all that. I'd be very surprised if yous make the semi-final but sure give it a go and tighten that back line... Last time I seen yous in Croke Park, Louth were scoring goals for fun!
What we can't be proud and happy that we have turned a huge corner ? And why not add the highlighter to the part where I said about winning All Ireland??
We have came from about 17th to top 8. In one year with a team mostly made up of a bunch of kids with 5 certain starters out for the year. So yeah we have every right to be happy and indeed optimistic after beating both Kerry and Dublin and indeed cork in the one year. Huge strides made
Quote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 09:11:02 PMQuote from: thejuice on June 22, 2025, 08:25:38 PMI've feeling we'll get Donegal. Don't know when we last beat them in any competition.
Had a few draws in the league when Big Joe, Cian Ward and Bray were still in the team but we've never fared well against them in the championship and to be honest if I had to guess it might even be 1990 in the semifinal we last beat them in championship football.
Our only hope is they run out of legs but they have such a strong bench I don't think it'll be a problem. We don't know who is fit in our team but we have proven we have a bit of depth to our panel.
Running the rule over the year so far, disastrous first half against Offaly, spectacular second half.
Beat an out of sorts Dublin team that have improved since.
Lost to Louth as we went out of the game for a long period in the second half.
Decent showing against Cork on a rotten day.
Couldn't hold onto a lead vs Roscommon but managed to prevent a loss at the death.
Beat a depleted Kerry team with a depleted Meath team.
Hard to know how we stack up against the rest left in it but I think we haven't had to beat a top team near their best yet.
I don't remember how the 90s league games went, but championship I think it would have been the 1990 AI semi (an important lesson, but also well spring of belief, for that Donegal team at the time).
We haven't played that much in the championship though.
2002 qualifier
I think there was a mid-2010s qualifier in Navan and maybe a Super 8s game in Ballybofey in more recent years?
I recall McBrearty getting a last kick winner in the Navan one.
There was also that Div 2 final when Newman took a young Brendan McCole to the cleaners to the extent that Neil McGee was brought in after 20 minutes to stem the flow. 2019 maybe?
yeah the year we both qualified from div 2.
Quote from: marty34 on June 22, 2025, 08:57:32 PMI think it's silly teams not being able to meet again in knock out games.
Who cares if two teams meet again?
Makes a f"^k up of the draw.
It's a load of balls. Let's say Monaghan draw Dublin first tomorrow, the rest of the games are then set, as no different matchups can be made (it'd be Armagh/Kerry, Tyrone/Galway and Meath/Donegal)
Quote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:15:10 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 22, 2025, 06:49:59 PMIs it set that the Galway and Donegal quarters will be next Sunday then? Can only imagine what Jim will be saying if they were to have a 6 day turnaround
Would it not make sense and be fair all around given that the Dubs and Kerry played yesterday?
Would Jim be out of order to point this out?
Didn't apply between this week for the likes of Cavan and to a lesser extent Down who both had shorter turn arounds than their opponents. Didn't hear much complaining either so I'm not sure any team at this stage can complain. It was easily avoided.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 22, 2025, 09:17:34 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:15:10 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 22, 2025, 06:49:59 PMIs it set that the Galway and Donegal quarters will be next Sunday then? Can only imagine what Jim will be saying if they were to have a 6 day turnaround
Would it not make sense and be fair all around given that the Dubs and Kerry played yesterday?
Would Jim be out of order to point this out?
Didn't apply between this week for the likes of Cavan and to a lesser extent Down who both had shorter turn arounds than their opponents. Didn't hear much complaining either so I'm not sure any team at this stage can complain. It was easily avoided.
It was impossible to avoid this weekend though
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 09:14:26 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 22, 2025, 09:06:40 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 22, 2025, 08:28:22 PMI don't know why the obsession with Meath and winning all ire is coming from. A few bitter posters that can't stand Meath ? I don't know. No one would even consider Meath All Ireland contenders this year. 150/1 would be more realistic.
What I have said is I think we will make semis. I believe there is another huge game in the most exciting team in country this year. But inexperience will cost us.
So can I be clear we will not win all ire this year. But next ???
:D you're relentless all these posts about Meath. Congratulations on reaching the quarter-final really happy for you 😊 Abscence makes the heart grow fonder and all that. I'd be very surprised if yous make the semi-final but sure give it a go and tighten that back line... Last time I seen yous in Croke Park, Louth were scoring goals for fun!
What we can't be proud and happy that we have turned a huge corner ? And why not add the highlighter to the part where I said about winning All Ireland??
We have came from about 17th to top 8. In one year with a team mostly made up of a bunch of kids with 5 certain starters out for the year. So yeah we have every right to be happy and indeed optimistic after beating both Kerry and Dublin and indeed cork in the one year. Huge strides made
I remember yous now! :o ::)
The rules are too gruelling for Jim, code for I preferred 15 men behind the ball and a dash for last score wins between 65th and 73rd minute
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 22, 2025, 09:29:54 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 22, 2025, 09:17:34 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:15:10 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 22, 2025, 06:49:59 PMIs it set that the Galway and Donegal quarters will be next Sunday then? Can only imagine what Jim will be saying if they were to have a 6 day turnaround
Would it not make sense and be fair all around given that the Dubs and Kerry played yesterday?
Would Jim be out of order to point this out?
Didn't apply between this week for the likes of Cavan and to a lesser extent Down who both had shorter turn arounds than their opponents. Didn't hear much complaining either so I'm not sure any team at this stage can complain. It was easily avoided.
It was impossible to avoid this weekend though
Yes because of the luck of the draw which is how it should be decided again this week.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 22, 2025, 09:47:02 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 22, 2025, 09:29:54 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 22, 2025, 09:17:34 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:15:10 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 22, 2025, 06:49:59 PMIs it set that the Galway and Donegal quarters will be next Sunday then? Can only imagine what Jim will be saying if they were to have a 6 day turnaround
Would it not make sense and be fair all around given that the Dubs and Kerry played yesterday?
Would Jim be out of order to point this out?
Didn't apply between this week for the likes of Cavan and to a lesser extent Down who both had shorter turn arounds than their opponents. Didn't hear much complaining either so I'm not sure any team at this stage can complain. It was easily avoided.
It was impossible to avoid this weekend though
Yes because of the luck of the draw which is how it should be decided again this week.
Be great to put Donegal ok Saturday just to wind Jimmy up lol
Quote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 08:10:12 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 07:48:23 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:18:03 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 06:49:21 PMMeath are back?!
What have they actually done? Couldn't beat Louth. Beat an average enough Kerry team who had five or six injuries, who were through anyway. They only drew with Roscommon and beat Cork. Everybody beats Cork. Well, except Roscommon , who Meath couldn't beat.
No doubt a tired, out of sorts Donegal will draw Meath. Beat them with a flukey goal , with Murphy decapitating someone and still not getting a yellow.
Something tells me it will be a Galway Donegal final. Two teams that should have been out long ago.
Seems to be quite a campaign you're all mounting against Murphy the past few weeks, on this and other online locations.
I don't think there's a campaign against Murphy. More a campaign against referees who haven't punished his actions appropriately
He's hardly the only player who has gotten away with questionable "tackles" because referees get a single, real-time, on-field look at a split second sequence of play.
Plus he's been sent off a few times for very marginal offenses. That's the way it goes.
But yeah, I get it. Opposition fans make enough noise and maybe the next time the ref will pressured to pull out the red card even if he hasn't seen enough to justify it.
FFS even today people are making a big deal out of him getting a routine yellow for a high tackle that you see every game and for which he himself has received yellows many times. Although many of the same people will be the ones screaming cheater at Ryan McHugh when he goes down after being on the receiving end of a similar tackle.
Was the supposed punch v Cavan a questionable tackle? I didn't see it , but I've heard he should have walked for it. Same for the "tackle" against Derry.
Lot of talk about Kerry-Armagh game being next Saturday.
Surely the four teams that played this weekend should all get a 7 day turnaround?
I have a feeling we might get the short straw of the 6 day turnaround.
McGuinness' rant last week may end up bearing fruit next weekend after all.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 10:21:49 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 08:10:12 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 07:48:23 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:18:03 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 06:49:21 PMMeath are back?!
What have they actually done? Couldn't beat Louth. Beat an average enough Kerry team who had five or six injuries, who were through anyway. They only drew with Roscommon and beat Cork. Everybody beats Cork. Well, except Roscommon , who Meath couldn't beat.
No doubt a tired, out of sorts Donegal will draw Meath. Beat them with a flukey goal , with Murphy decapitating someone and still not getting a yellow.
Something tells me it will be a Galway Donegal final. Two teams that should have been out long ago.
Seems to be quite a campaign you're all mounting against Murphy the past few weeks, on this and other online locations.
I don't think there's a campaign against Murphy. More a campaign against referees who haven't punished his actions appropriately
He's hardly the only player who has gotten away with questionable "tackles" because referees get a single, real-time, on-field look at a split second sequence of play.
Plus he's been sent off a few times for very marginal offenses. That's the way it goes.
But yeah, I get it. Opposition fans make enough noise and maybe the next time the ref will pressured to pull out the red card even if he hasn't seen enough to justify it.
FFS even today people are making a big deal out of him getting a routine yellow for a high tackle that you see every game and for which he himself has received yellows many times. Although many of the same people will be the ones screaming cheater at Ryan McHugh when he goes down after being on the receiving end of a similar tackle.
Was the supposed punch v Cavan a questionable tackle? I didn't see it , but I've heard he should have walked for it. Same for the "tackle" against Derry.
The Cavan game wasn't televised. First I've heard of a closed fist tackle, but he was supposedly on the receiving end of plenty of "close attention" v Cavan too. Derry one could easily have been red, yes.
Quote from: galwayman on June 22, 2025, 10:28:23 PMLot of talk about Kerry-Armagh game being next Saturday.
Surely the four teams that played this weekend should all get a 7 day turnaround?
I have a feeling we might get the short straw of the 6 day turnaround.
McGuinness' rant last week may end up bearing fruit next weekend after all.
I've heard the opposite. Dubs Saturday evening and Kerry v Armagh 4pm Sunday is what my sources tell me is likely.
Dublin v Tyrone is probably too big to put with Kerry v Armagh for example is probably what they're thinking.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 10:21:49 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 08:10:12 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 07:48:23 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:18:03 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 06:49:21 PMMeath are back?!
What have they actually done? Couldn't beat Louth. Beat an average enough Kerry team who had five or six injuries, who were through anyway. They only drew with Roscommon and beat Cork. Everybody beats Cork. Well, except Roscommon , who Meath couldn't beat.
No doubt a tired, out of sorts Donegal will draw Meath. Beat them with a flukey goal , with Murphy decapitating someone and still not getting a yellow.
Something tells me it will be a Galway Donegal final. Two teams that should have been out long ago.
Seems to be quite a campaign you're all mounting against Murphy the past few weeks, on this and other online locations.
I don't think there's a campaign against Murphy. More a campaign against referees who haven't punished his actions appropriately
He's hardly the only player who has gotten away with questionable "tackles" because referees get a single, real-time, on-field look at a split second sequence of play.
Plus he's been sent off a few times for very marginal offenses. That's the way it goes.
But yeah, I get it. Opposition fans make enough noise and maybe the next time the ref will pressured to pull out the red card even if he hasn't seen enough to justify it.
FFS even today people are making a big deal out of him getting a routine yellow for a high tackle that you see every game and for which he himself has received yellows many times. Although many of the same people will be the ones screaming cheater at Ryan McHugh when he goes down after being on the receiving end of a similar tackle.
Was the supposed punch v Cavan a questionable tackle? I didn't see it , but I've heard he should have walked for it. Same for the "tackle" against Derry.
Was it you on here last weekend pretending he should have been sent off for something against Mayo?
Quote from: galwayman on June 22, 2025, 10:28:23 PMLot of talk about Kerry-Armagh game being next Saturday.
Surely the four teams that played this weekend should all get a 7 day turnaround?
I have a feeling we might get the short straw of the 6 day turnaround.
McGuinness' rant last week may end up bearing fruit next weekend after all.
That's why he did it. Knowing it would pay off for him somewhere down the line
Quote from: greatpoint on June 22, 2025, 11:08:19 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 10:21:49 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 08:10:12 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 07:48:23 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:18:03 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 06:49:21 PMMeath are back?!
What have they actually done? Couldn't beat Louth. Beat an average enough Kerry team who had five or six injuries, who were through anyway. They only drew with Roscommon and beat Cork. Everybody beats Cork. Well, except Roscommon , who Meath couldn't beat.
No doubt a tired, out of sorts Donegal will draw Meath. Beat them with a flukey goal , with Murphy decapitating someone and still not getting a yellow.
Something tells me it will be a Galway Donegal final. Two teams that should have been out long ago.
Seems to be quite a campaign you're all mounting against Murphy the past few weeks, on this and other online locations.
I don't think there's a campaign against Murphy. More a campaign against referees who haven't punished his actions appropriately
He's hardly the only player who has gotten away with questionable "tackles" because referees get a single, real-time, on-field look at a split second sequence of play.
Plus he's been sent off a few times for very marginal offenses. That's the way it goes.
But yeah, I get it. Opposition fans make enough noise and maybe the next time the ref will pressured to pull out the red card even if he hasn't seen enough to justify it.
FFS even today people are making a big deal out of him getting a routine yellow for a high tackle that you see every game and for which he himself has received yellows many times. Although many of the same people will be the ones screaming cheater at Ryan McHugh when he goes down after being on the receiving end of a similar tackle.
Was the supposed punch v Cavan a questionable tackle? I didn't see it , but I've heard he should have walked for it. Same for the "tackle" against Derry.
Was it you on here last weekend pretending he should have been sent off for something against Mayo?
There were a few people pointing out stuff . He did get away with a number of things though.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 11:14:00 PMQuote from: greatpoint on June 22, 2025, 11:08:19 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 10:21:49 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 08:10:12 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 07:48:23 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:18:03 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 06:49:21 PMMeath are back?!
What have they actually done? Couldn't beat Louth. Beat an average enough Kerry team who had five or six injuries, who were through anyway. They only drew with Roscommon and beat Cork. Everybody beats Cork. Well, except Roscommon , who Meath couldn't beat.
No doubt a tired, out of sorts Donegal will draw Meath. Beat them with a flukey goal , with Murphy decapitating someone and still not getting a yellow.
Something tells me it will be a Galway Donegal final. Two teams that should have been out long ago.
Seems to be quite a campaign you're all mounting against Murphy the past few weeks, on this and other online locations.
I don't think there's a campaign against Murphy. More a campaign against referees who haven't punished his actions appropriately
He's hardly the only player who has gotten away with questionable "tackles" because referees get a single, real-time, on-field look at a split second sequence of play.
Plus he's been sent off a few times for very marginal offenses. That's the way it goes.
But yeah, I get it. Opposition fans make enough noise and maybe the next time the ref will pressured to pull out the red card even if he hasn't seen enough to justify it.
FFS even today people are making a big deal out of him getting a routine yellow for a high tackle that you see every game and for which he himself has received yellows many times. Although many of the same people will be the ones screaming cheater at Ryan McHugh when he goes down after being on the receiving end of a similar tackle.
Was the supposed punch v Cavan a questionable tackle? I didn't see it , but I've heard he should have walked for it. Same for the "tackle" against Derry.
Was it you on here last weekend pretending he should have been sent off for something against Mayo?
There were a few people pointing out stuff . He did get away with a number of things though.
I asked this last weekend too and got no reply, what was it he got away with?
The full match is on RTÉ Player so it's an easy one to figure out. A timestamp of when these incidents occurred are probably your best bet.
Quote from: Schkite on June 22, 2025, 09:17:11 PMQuote from: marty34 on June 22, 2025, 08:57:32 PMI think it's silly teams not being able to meet again in knock out games.
Who cares if two teams meet again?
Makes a f"^k up of the draw.
It's a load of balls. Let's say Monaghan draw Dublin first tomorrow, the rest of the games are then set, as no different matchups can be made (it'd be Armagh/Kerry, Tyrone/Galway and Meath/Donegal)
Considering the draw restrictions I'd´ve thought that Monaghan would be left out of the draw and just get paired with the last team left standing, either Donegal or one of Galway/Dublin. Hopefully anybody but Donegal,
Quote from: Main Street on June 22, 2025, 11:34:26 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 22, 2025, 09:17:11 PMQuote from: marty34 on June 22, 2025, 08:57:32 PMI think it's silly teams not being able to meet again in knock out games.
Who cares if two teams meet again?
Makes a f"^k up of the draw.
It's a load of balls. Let's say Monaghan draw Dublin first tomorrow, the rest of the games are then set, as no different matchups can be made (it'd be Armagh/Kerry, Tyrone/Galway and Meath/Donegal)
Considering the draw restrictions I'd´ve thought that Monaghan would be left out of the draw and just get paired with the last team left standing, either Donegal or one of Galway/Dublin. Hopefully anybody but Donegal,
From what I recall of past draws they haven't done it that way.
Have a feeling we're going to be landed with a fecking 6 day break. Jimmy's whinging will probably mean the squeaky wheel will get the oil and they'll get Sunday.
Being fair the two teams that played Saturday should play next Saturday and the same for Sunday. Guaranteed they won't do that though.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 22, 2025, 11:49:16 PMHave a feeling we're going to be landed with a fecking 6 day break. Jimmy's whinging will probably mean the squeaky wheel will get the oil and they'll get Sunday.
Be some mess if they dug in and refused to play Saturday.
Quote from: greatpoint on June 22, 2025, 11:21:44 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 11:14:00 PMQuote from: greatpoint on June 22, 2025, 11:08:19 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 10:21:49 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 08:10:12 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 07:48:23 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2025, 07:18:03 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 22, 2025, 06:49:21 PMMeath are back?!
What have they actually done? Couldn't beat Louth. Beat an average enough Kerry team who had five or six injuries, who were through anyway. They only drew with Roscommon and beat Cork. Everybody beats Cork. Well, except Roscommon , who Meath couldn't beat.
No doubt a tired, out of sorts Donegal will draw Meath. Beat them with a flukey goal , with Murphy decapitating someone and still not getting a yellow.
Something tells me it will be a Galway Donegal final. Two teams that should have been out long ago.
Seems to be quite a campaign you're all mounting against Murphy the past few weeks, on this and other online locations.
I don't think there's a campaign against Murphy. More a campaign against referees who haven't punished his actions appropriately
He's hardly the only player who has gotten away with questionable "tackles" because referees get a single, real-time, on-field look at a split second sequence of play.
Plus he's been sent off a few times for very marginal offenses. That's the way it goes.
But yeah, I get it. Opposition fans make enough noise and maybe the next time the ref will pressured to pull out the red card even if he hasn't seen enough to justify it.
FFS even today people are making a big deal out of him getting a routine yellow for a high tackle that you see every game and for which he himself has received yellows many times. Although many of the same people will be the ones screaming cheater at Ryan McHugh when he goes down after being on the receiving end of a similar tackle.
Was the supposed punch v Cavan a questionable tackle? I didn't see it , but I've heard he should have walked for it. Same for the "tackle" against Derry.
Was it you on here last weekend pretending he should have been sent off for something against Mayo?
There were a few people pointing out stuff . He did get away with a number of things though.
I asked this last weekend too and got no reply, what was it he got away with?
The full match is on RTÉ Player so it's an easy one to figure out. A timestamp of when these incidents occurred are probably your best bet.
Pretty sure I posted some of these at the time. Anyway , he came in on the mayo kickers blind side , taking him out. No free. Laid ball off, blocking the mayo player. Twice. Although I did see one of these from a different angle , and it wasn't as clear cut. Couple of dubious tackles, one of them like a lion trying to grab a zebra. A couple more I just can't recall right now . He obviously was involved in something at the final whistle too.
This is not a vendetta against Murphy btw. The man is a great player and I've loved watching him in action down the years. He has played on the edge in that time but this year , he's ramped it up . But as I said , it s the referees that need to get a grip on him, or any player , overstepping the line
Quote from: Main Street on June 22, 2025, 11:34:26 PMQuote from: Schkite on June 22, 2025, 09:17:11 PMQuote from: marty34 on June 22, 2025, 08:57:32 PMI think it's silly teams not being able to meet again in knock out games.
Who cares if two teams meet again?
Makes a f"^k up of the draw.
It's a load of balls. Let's say Monaghan draw Dublin first tomorrow, the rest of the games are then set, as no different matchups can be made (it'd be Armagh/Kerry, Tyrone/Galway and Meath/Donegal)
Considering the draw restrictions I'd´ve thought that Monaghan would be left out of the draw and just get paired with the last team left standing, either Donegal or one of Galway/Dublin. Hopefully anybody but Donegal,
Good job he isn't carrying out the draw as it would take all day.
Armagh vs Kerry is already guaranteed. They will then put Galway and Dublin in the bowl to pick to play Tyrone. The remaining team will then join Donegal in 1 bowl with Meath and Monaghan in the other then draw the remaining two games.
Quote from: galwayman on June 22, 2025, 10:28:23 PMLot of talk about Kerry-Armagh game being next Saturday.
Surely the four teams that played this weekend should all get a 7 day turnaround?
I have a feeling we might get the short straw of the 6 day turnaround.
McGuinness' rant last week may end up bearing fruit next weekend after all.
That would result in a Armagh vs Kerry and Dublin vs Tyrone/meath/monaghan double header on the Saturday. Who cares about the traffic caused with 2 northern counties who have to travel the same route or the amount of people that will miss out on tickets having the 2 biggest supported teams being involved as long as Galway get an extra day to rest.
Is draw been televised this morning? And I'm sure dates will be settled by this afternoon
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 23, 2025, 07:00:12 AMIs draw been televised this morning? And I'm sure dates will be settled by this afternoon
RTE News
Quote from: gallsman on June 23, 2025, 07:17:59 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 23, 2025, 07:00:12 AMIs draw been televised this morning? And I'm sure dates will be settled by this afternoon
RTE News
thank you
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on June 23, 2025, 02:06:46 AMQuote from: galwayman on June 22, 2025, 10:28:23 PMLot of talk about Kerry-Armagh game being next Saturday.
Surely the four teams that played this weekend should all get a 7 day turnaround?
I have a feeling we might get the short straw of the 6 day turnaround.
McGuinness' rant last week may end up bearing fruit next weekend after all.
That would result in a Armagh vs Kerry and Dublin vs Tyrone/meath/monaghan double header on the Saturday. Who cares about the traffic caused with 2 northern counties who have to travel the same route or the amount of people that will miss out on tickets having the 2 biggest supported teams being involved as long as Galway get an extra day to rest.
Fairly ironic given that your last all Ireland came about after throwing the toys out of the pram and strong-arming the GAA into an extra weeks rest
Quote from: Manning18 on June 23, 2025, 08:29:09 AMQuote from: Easttyrone23 on June 23, 2025, 02:06:46 AMQuote from: galwayman on June 22, 2025, 10:28:23 PMLot of talk about Kerry-Armagh game being next Saturday.
Surely the four teams that played this weekend should all get a 7 day turnaround?
I have a feeling we might get the short straw of the 6 day turnaround.
McGuinness' rant last week may end up bearing fruit next weekend after all.
That would result in a Armagh vs Kerry and Dublin vs Tyrone/meath/monaghan double header on the Saturday. Who cares about the traffic caused with 2 northern counties who have to travel the same route or the amount of people that will miss out on tickets having the 2 biggest supported teams being involved as long as Galway get an extra day to rest.
Fairly ironic given that your last all Ireland came about after throwing the toys out of the pram and strong-arming the GAA into an extra weeks rest
:D
Armagh v Kerry
Tyrone v Dublin
Meath v Galway
Monaghan v Donegal
4 evenly matched games.
Let the fun begin
From a Meath perspective it's a tough game but all games at this stage are tough. Hopefully it's a Sunday game not Saturday. One last hooray from Robbie and co , and what a first year it would be.
Will tantrum mcguinness get his way and get his game the sunday, and make Galway have 6 day turnaround???
Quote from: 5times5times on June 23, 2025, 08:51:56 AMWill tantrum mcguinness get his way and get his game the sunday, and make Galway have 6 day turnaround???
Without a doubt.
Is there any element of provincial match ups in semis anymore?
Can't call three of those games. Galway will beat Meath even with their injuries.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 23, 2025, 08:29:09 AMQuote from: Easttyrone23 on June 23, 2025, 02:06:46 AMQuote from: galwayman on June 22, 2025, 10:28:23 PMLot of talk about Kerry-Armagh game being next Saturday.
Surely the four teams that played this weekend should all get a 7 day turnaround?
I have a feeling we might get the short straw of the 6 day turnaround.
McGuinness' rant last week may end up bearing fruit next weekend after all.
That would result in a Armagh vs Kerry and Dublin vs Tyrone/meath/monaghan double header on the Saturday. Who cares about the traffic caused with 2 northern counties who have to travel the same route or the amount of people that will miss out on tickets having the 2 biggest supported teams being involved as long as Galway get an extra day to rest.
Fairly ironic given that your last all Ireland came about after throwing the toys out of the pram and strong-arming the GAA into an extra weeks rest
An extra week rest which benefitted Kerry as much as it did Tyrone.
Pretty much nailed on it'll be:
Saturday
Galway v Meath
Dublin v Tyrone
Sunday
Donegal v monaghan
Armagh v Kerry
Jimmy whinging matches will get his way, the 6 day turnaround should have to be sucked up and accepted for finishing 2nd or 3rd in the group.
At a guess Meath v Galway Saturday followed by Armagh v Kerry, Donegal Monaghan the curtain raiser for Dublin/Tyrone on Sunday. Should bring in big crowds both days.
Dublin is always the headline game on Saturday. Unless Galway kick a real stink up their game will be the opener on Saturday
The inconsistency in the repeat pairings between rounds is strange.
Donegal have Monaghan in the QF, but they couldn't draw them in the SF as they met in the provincial championship. Just provincial finals are ruled out in the QF, but all previous meetings ruled out in the SF.
Strange. Wonder is there logic for that?
Quote from: mup on June 23, 2025, 08:57:47 AMCan't call three of those games. Galway will beat Meath even with their injuries.
haha. Always trust a flour bag to moan. Enjoy the tc final. Although limerick likely winners
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 23, 2025, 08:58:50 AMPretty much nailed on it'll be:
Saturday
Galway v Meath
Dublin v Tyrone
Sunday
Donegal v monaghan
Armagh v Kerry
Jimmy whinging matches will get his way, the 6 day turnaround should have to be sucked up and accepted for finishing 2nd or 3rd in the group.
I think Galway and Donegal will get the 7 days. Kerry have previously played on a Saturday but not the second game of a double header.
My guess
Saturday:
Armagh v Kerry
Tyrone v Dublin
Sunday:
Monaghan v Donegal
Meath v Galway
I believe GAAGO/RTE agreed changes in the past so it's possible they'll both agree to show one game a day.
Both days would be close to 70 thousand with those games. Meath will have a bigger crowd than Dublin next weekend.
Quote from: Gael80 on June 23, 2025, 09:11:49 AMQuote from: omagh_gael on June 23, 2025, 08:58:50 AMPretty much nailed on it'll be:
Saturday
Galway v Meath
Dublin v Tyrone
Sunday
Donegal v monaghan
Armagh v Kerry
Jimmy whinging matches will get his way, the 6 day turnaround should have to be sucked up and accepted for finishing 2nd or 3rd in the group.
I think Galway and Donegal will get the 7 days. Kerry have previously played on a Saturday but not the second game of a double header.
My guess
Saturday:
Armagh v Kerry
Tyrone v Dublin
Sunday:
Monaghan v Donegal
Meath v Galway
GAAGO/RTE have agreed chanages previously so it's possible they'll both agree to show one game a day.
Both days would be close to 70 thousand with those games. Meath will have a bigger crowd than Dublin next weekend.
the year Galway beat us on pens Kerry were the second game, I have a feeling that was a Saturday
The relentless whining on this thread about McGuinness, Murphy, Dublin Joe (and Dublin Sean apparently this weekend too) etc is embarrassing. Allegedly grown men FFS.
70,000 people?
Not a chance in hell.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2025, 09:13:03 AMQuote from: Gael80 on June 23, 2025, 09:11:49 AMQuote from: omagh_gael on June 23, 2025, 08:58:50 AMPretty much nailed on it'll be:
Saturday
Galway v Meath
Dublin v Tyrone
Sunday
Donegal v monaghan
Armagh v Kerry
Jimmy whinging matches will get his way, the 6 day turnaround should have to be sucked up and accepted for finishing 2nd or 3rd in the group.
I think Galway and Donegal will get the 7 days. Kerry have previously played on a Saturday but not the second game of a double header.
My guess
Saturday:
Armagh v Kerry
Tyrone v Dublin
Sunday:
Monaghan v Donegal
Meath v Galway
GAAGO/RTE have agreed chanages previously so it's possible they'll both agree to show one game a day.
Both days would be close to 70 thousand with those games. Meath will have a bigger crowd than Dublin next weekend.
the year Galway beat us on pens Kerry were the second game, I have a feeling that was a Saturday
It was a Sunday.
Quote from: Gael80 on June 23, 2025, 09:15:09 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2025, 09:13:03 AMQuote from: Gael80 on June 23, 2025, 09:11:49 AMQuote from: omagh_gael on June 23, 2025, 08:58:50 AMPretty much nailed on it'll be:
Saturday
Galway v Meath
Dublin v Tyrone
Sunday
Donegal v monaghan
Armagh v Kerry
Jimmy whinging matches will get his way, the 6 day turnaround should have to be sucked up and accepted for finishing 2nd or 3rd in the group.
I think Galway and Donegal will get the 7 days. Kerry have previously played on a Saturday but not the second game of a double header.
My guess
Saturday:
Armagh v Kerry
Tyrone v Dublin
Sunday:
Monaghan v Donegal
Meath v Galway
GAAGO/RTE have agreed chanages previously so it's possible they'll both agree to show one game a day.
Both days would be close to 70 thousand with those games. Meath will have a bigger crowd than Dublin next weekend.
the year Galway beat us on pens Kerry were the second game, I have a feeling that was a Saturday
It was a Sunday.
so it was. Be interesting to see what happens. When will we find out
Quote from: gallsman on June 23, 2025, 09:13:19 AMThe relentless whining on this thread about McGuinness, Murphy, Dublin Joe (and Dublin Sean apparently this weekend too) etc is embarrassing. Allegedly grown men FFS.
Agreed on Murphy and McGuinness but the Dublin Joe stuff is just a bit of craic.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 23, 2025, 08:58:50 AMPretty much nailed on it'll be:
Saturday
Galway v Meath
Dublin v Tyrone
Sunday
Donegal v monaghan
Armagh v Kerry
Jimmy whinging matches will get his way, the 6 day turnaround should have to be sucked up and accepted for finishing 2nd or 3rd in the group.
Leaving the whinging out it this is easy to sort out. Play the Dublin and Kerry games on Saturday and the other 2 on the Sunday. Galway and Donegal should both get 7 days or neither should get it. I doubt that any combination of 2 matches will sell out anyway so the crowd argument doesn't come into it
Some interesting games there. Monaghan Donegal for me looks the one that wouldn't be as interesting. I can't see Monaghan winning that one at all.
Galway v Meath and Tyrone v Dublin are actually more appealing to me than the Armagh Kerry. We kind of have no idea how good any of these 4 are. Dublin and Galway are *probably* very good but not as good as they were and Tyrone and Meath well we are not really sure on. Meath will be decent but maybe not that level and Tyrone have been brilliant and awful so who knows where they are.
Armagh Kerry I think Kerry will win but it should be a tight one.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 09:18:38 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 23, 2025, 09:13:19 AMThe relentless whining on this thread about McGuinness, Murphy, Dublin Joe (and Dublin Sean apparently this weekend too) etc is embarrassing. Allegedly grown men FFS.
Agreed on Murphy and McGuinness but the Dublin Joe stuff is just a bit of craic.
Nope, there are twats on here who fully believe it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 23, 2025, 09:20:15 AMSome interesting games there. Monaghan Donegal for me looks the one that wouldn't be as interesting. I can't see Monaghan winning that one at all.
Galway v Meath and Tyrone v Dublin are actually more appealing to me than the Armagh Kerry. We kind of have no idea how good any of these 4 are. Dublin and Galway are *probably* very good but not as good as they were and Tyrone and Meath well we are not really sure on. Meath will be decent but maybe not that level and Tyrone have been brilliant and awful so who knows where they are.
Armagh Kerry I think Kerry will win but it should be a tight one.
I dunno, Donegal have struggled to hit top gear for a while and yesterday they were up against a Louth team whose race was run a month a ago. Monaghan also tanked them. That said, even accounting for the opposition, yesterday was the best Gallen has looked all year. If he's on some alongside Murphy, O'Baoil, Thompson etc I can't see any back line living with them. 2 or 3 points max in it I think and Monaghan definitely have a chance.
Calling it now
Armagh, Donegal
Dublin Galway
Will be the semi finals
Quote from: Manning18 on June 23, 2025, 08:29:09 AMQuote from: Easttyrone23 on June 23, 2025, 02:06:46 AMQuote from: galwayman on June 22, 2025, 10:28:23 PMLot of talk about Kerry-Armagh game being next Saturday.
Surely the four teams that played this weekend should all get a 7 day turnaround?
I have a feeling we might get the short straw of the 6 day turnaround.
McGuinness' rant last week may end up bearing fruit next weekend after all.
That would result in a Armagh vs Kerry and Dublin vs Tyrone/meath/monaghan double header on the Saturday. Who cares about the traffic caused with 2 northern counties who have to travel the same route or the amount of people that will miss out on tickets having the 2 biggest supported teams being involved as long as Galway get an extra day to rest.
Fairly ironic given that your last all Ireland came about after throwing the toys out of the pram and strong-arming the GAA into an extra weeks rest
Were Kerry not resting that week also?
Also i don't think Tyrone asked for anything? They couldn't fulfil the fixture on the original date as they only had half a panel with the restrictions. They forfeited and it was the GAA/Kerry that offered to move the date, not Tyrone.
This nonsense needs to be called out.
Galway shouldn't stand for a 6 day turnaround and you would never hear the end of McGuinness' moaning if they put Donegal / Monaghan on the Saturday.
Love being writ off already and the draw only made. You'd swear Donegal put 30 on us in Ulster ffs
Quote from: Schkite on June 23, 2025, 09:26:51 AMLove being writ off already and the draw only made. You'd swear Donegal put 30 on us in Ulster ffs
As an Armagh man would love Monaghan to beat Donegal
Quote from: Schkite on June 23, 2025, 09:26:51 AMLove being writ off already and the draw only made. You'd swear Donegal put 30 on us in Ulster ffs
Fancy Monaghan to turn over Donegal. Donegal the best team in the last three games at protecting the goal, but Monaghan won't get caught like Louth carrying the ball into the tackle inside the arc and will shoot from distance.
Quote from: tiempo on June 22, 2025, 08:27:14 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on June 22, 2025, 11:22:30 AMQuote from: tiempo on June 22, 2025, 11:16:30 AMCavan persisted in entering the Leinster Junior Championship when Ulster mothballed the competition, there's an issue of identity in Cavan, weak free state mentality, as pointed out above, spending a bomb redeveloping a stadium for others to use as a neutral venue
Thats nonsense about playing in the Leinster junior. It was to give young players a chance after playing U21. The competition was a help for a few years. Cavan made the all ireland quarter final in 2013. A few players would have been involved with the juniors the year before.
Antrim play in Leinster hurling, but that must be ok because they are from the 6 counties?
Cavan bet Fermanagh and London in the qualifiers to reach a quarter final, some run
[/quotQuote from: tiempo on June 22, 2025, 08:27:14 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on June 22, 2025, 11:22:30 AMQuote from: tiempo on June 22, 2025, 11:16:30 AMCavan persisted in entering the Leinster Junior Championship when Ulster mothballed the competition, there's an issue of identity in Cavan, weak free state mentality, as pointed out above, spending a bomb redeveloping a stadium for others to use as a neutral venue
Thats nonsense about playing in the Leinster junior. It was to give young players a chance after playing U21. The competition was a help for a few years. Cavan made the all ireland quarter final in 2013. A few players would have been involved with the juniors the year before.
Antrim play in Leinster hurling, but that must be ok because they are from the 6 counties?
Cavan bet Fermanagh and London in the qualifiers to reach a quarter final, some run
And Derry in Derry. But leave that out anyway.
Quote from: APM on June 23, 2025, 09:32:38 AMQuote from: Schkite on June 23, 2025, 09:26:51 AMLove being writ off already and the draw only made. You'd swear Donegal put 30 on us in Ulster ffs
Fancy Monaghan to turn over Donegal. Donegal the best team in the last three games at protecting the goal, but Monaghan won't get caught like Louth carrying the ball into the tackle inside the arc and will shoot from distance.
Monaghan have the potential to turn over Donegal for sure especially if the Donegal of the 1st half yesterday turn up.
Donegal were very impressive in the last 20 minutes yesterday but Louth were a beaten docket.
4 intriguing games. What a championship.
Brilliant weekend of football ahead.
Quote from: APM on June 23, 2025, 09:32:38 AMQuote from: Schkite on June 23, 2025, 09:26:51 AMLove being writ off already and the draw only made. You'd swear Donegal put 30 on us in Ulster ffs
Fancy Monaghan to turn over Donegal. Donegal the best team in the last three games at protecting the goal, but Monaghan won't get caught like Louth carrying the ball into the tackle inside the arc and will shoot from distance.
Agree. Monaghan have had a handy run but you can only play whats in front of you and they beat them all. That bit of extra freshness in the legs might well be the difference. Think Armagh and Dublin should come though but wouldn't be surprised if Meath gave Galway a good scare. Galway should still probably have enough though
Quote from: mup on June 23, 2025, 08:57:47 AMCan't call three of those games. Galway will beat Meath even with their injuries.
Three Ulster teams should reach the last four and lucky Galway will find a way to fall over the line.
Quote from: straightred on June 23, 2025, 09:19:24 AMQuote from: omagh_gael on June 23, 2025, 08:58:50 AMPretty much nailed on it'll be:
Saturday
Galway v Meath
Dublin v Tyrone
Sunday
Donegal v monaghan
Armagh v Kerry
Jimmy whinging matches will get his way, the 6 day turnaround should have to be sucked up and accepted for finishing 2nd or 3rd in the group.
Leaving the whinging out it this is easy to sort out. Play the Dublin and Kerry games on Saturday and the other 2 on the Sunday. Galway and Donegal should both get 7 days or neither should get it. I doubt that any combination of 2 matches will sell out anyway so the crowd argument doesn't come into it
If Armagh and Dublin games were on together you'd imagine a sell out be close?
All 4 games have the potential to be crackers I think (or at least close games!). Alot of people joking about Meath here because of a certain poster, but I think they'll fancy their chances against Galway. Still feel like some are overlooking the benefit of that additional weeks rest, and Galway haven't been able to coast through any of these games in recent weeks - that schedule will catch up on you eventually.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 23, 2025, 09:43:44 AMQuote from: mup on June 23, 2025, 08:57:47 AMCan't call three of those games. Galway will beat Meath even with their injuries.
Three Ulster teams should reach the last four and lucky Galway will find a way to fall over the line.
Can't call any of those games to be honest.
Quote from: Schkite on June 23, 2025, 09:45:17 AMAll 4 games have the potential to be crackers I think (or at least close games!). Alot of people joking about Meath here because of a certain poster, but I think they'll fancy their chances against Galway. Still feel like some are overlooking the benefit of that additional weeks rest, and Galway haven't been able to coast through any of these games in recent weeks - that schedule will catch up on you eventually.
Yeah Galway have had to be all out or close to it now 2 weeks in a row, can't be easy on the bodies especially with their injury record. Kerry were lucky enough in that they didn't turn up one week then the opposition didn't turn up the next so should be well rested. O'Connor is a loss though.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 23, 2025, 09:43:44 AMQuote from: mup on June 23, 2025, 08:57:47 AMCan't call three of those games. Galway will beat Meath even with their injuries.
Three Ulster teams should reach the last four and lucky Galway will find a way to fall over the line.
Is this not a game too far for Galway?Think the extra games have suited Kerry But Galway needed a handy game last week and they had another battle to the end. Meath are still a bit of an unknown quantity but if any other of the remaining teams won all their group games and beat Kerry & the Dubs in the championship, they'd be definite favourites.
Armagh v Kerry boils down to Armagh limiting Clifford's influence and the way they are defending I wouldn't count on it. If they can win midfield and cut off the supply, that's half the job done, but defensively Armagh don't look as balanced as they did last year with McKay out.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 23, 2025, 09:07:55 AMQuote from: mup on June 23, 2025, 08:57:47 AMCan't call three of those games. Galway will beat Meath even with their injuries.
haha. Always trust a flour bag to moan. Enjoy the tc final. Although limerick likely winners
Down then Meath. The group stage had better opposition. We had to beat Armagh. Meath are in a different league (division)
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 23, 2025, 09:44:35 AMQuote from: straightred on June 23, 2025, 09:19:24 AMQuote from: omagh_gael on June 23, 2025, 08:58:50 AMPretty much nailed on it'll be:
Saturday
Galway v Meath
Dublin v Tyrone
Sunday
Donegal v monaghan
Armagh v Kerry
Jimmy whinging matches will get his way, the 6 day turnaround should have to be sucked up and accepted for finishing 2nd or 3rd in the group.
Leaving the whinging out it this is easy to sort out. Play the Dublin and Kerry games on Saturday and the other 2 on the Sunday. Galway and Donegal should both get 7 days or neither should get it. I doubt that any combination of 2 matches will sell out anyway so the crowd argument doesn't come into it
If Armagh and Dublin games were on together you'd imagine a sell out be close?
Yes. For Sunday though Galway and Donegal brought 60 thousand to Croke Park last season. Add Meath's Leinster Final crowd and it could challenge the Saturday attendance if the Armagh and Dublin games are together.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2025, 09:13:03 AMQuote from: Gael80 on June 23, 2025, 09:11:49 AMQuote from: omagh_gael on June 23, 2025, 08:58:50 AMPretty much nailed on it'll be:
Saturday
Galway v Meath
Dublin v Tyrone
Sunday
Donegal v monaghan
Armagh v Kerry
Jimmy whinging matches will get his way, the 6 day turnaround should have to be sucked up and accepted for finishing 2nd or 3rd in the group.
I think Galway and Donegal will get the 7 days. Kerry have previously played on a Saturday but not the second game of a double header.
My guess
Saturday:
Armagh v Kerry
Tyrone v Dublin
Sunday:
Monaghan v Donegal
Meath v Galway
GAAGO/RTE have agreed chanages previously so it's possible they'll both agree to show one game a day.
Both days would be close to 70 thousand with those games. Meath will have a bigger crowd than Dublin next weekend.
the year Galway beat us on pens Kerry were the second game, I have a feeling that was a Saturday
That double header was a Sunday.
Quote from: APM on June 23, 2025, 09:26:29 AMGalway shouldn't stand for a 6 day turnaround and you would never hear the end of McGuinness' moaning if they put Donegal / Monaghan on the Saturday.
I didn't hear any complaints from Galway about Down having a day less last week or Cavan only having a six day turnaround.
Similarly no complaints about the back to back weekends in the Group stages etc.
Only fair thing is luck of the draw.
Would Tyrone be entitled to complain about a 13 day turnaround when Armagh have a 14 day one?
Quote from: Gael80 on June 23, 2025, 09:55:00 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 23, 2025, 09:44:35 AMQuote from: straightred on June 23, 2025, 09:19:24 AMQuote from: omagh_gael on June 23, 2025, 08:58:50 AMPretty much nailed on it'll be:
Saturday
Galway v Meath
Dublin v Tyrone
Sunday
Donegal v monaghan
Armagh v Kerry
Jimmy whinging matches will get his way, the 6 day turnaround should have to be sucked up and accepted for finishing 2nd or 3rd in the group.
Leaving the whinging out it this is easy to sort out. Play the Dublin and Kerry games on Saturday and the other 2 on the Sunday. Galway and Donegal should both get 7 days or neither should get it. I doubt that any combination of 2 matches will sell out anyway so the crowd argument doesn't come into it
If Armagh and Dublin games were on together you'd imagine a sell out be close?
Yes. For Sunday though Galway and Donegal brought 60 thousand to Croke Park last season. Add Meath's Leinster Final crowd and it could challenge the Saturday attendance if the Armagh and Dublin games are together.
Yeah I reckon at least 7 of the teams will bring decent crowds, maybe even Kerry as well if they listen to Cliffords call.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 23, 2025, 09:13:46 AM70,000 people?
Not a chance in hell.
Dublin v Tyrone c35k
Armagh v Kerry c30k
Donegal v Monaghan 20k?
Galway v Meath 25k?
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 23, 2025, 08:58:50 AMPretty much nailed on it'll be:
Saturday
Galway v Meath
Dublin v Tyrone
Sunday
Donegal v monaghan
Armagh v Kerry
Jimmy whinging matches will get his way, the 6 day turnaround should have to be sucked up and accepted for finishing 2nd or 3rd in the group.
Jimmy McGirnness
Quote from: David McKeown on June 23, 2025, 09:56:41 AMQuote from: APM on June 23, 2025, 09:26:29 AMGalway shouldn't stand for a 6 day turnaround and you would never hear the end of McGuinness' moaning if they put Donegal / Monaghan on the Saturday.
I didn't hear any complaints from Galway about Down having a day less last week or Cavan only having a six day turnaround.
Similarly no complaints about the back to back weekends in the Group stages etc.
Only fair thing is luck of the draw.
Would Tyrone be entitled to complain about a 13 day turnaround when Armagh have a 14 day one?
It's the third week in a row to be fair and by putting the Dubs and Kerry on the Saturday all the teams that played this weekend get the same turnaround. The only reason to put either Donegal or Galway on the Saturday would be related to balancing out the crowds.
Quote from: APM on June 23, 2025, 09:51:57 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on June 23, 2025, 09:43:44 AMQuote from: mup on June 23, 2025, 08:57:47 AMCan't call three of those games. Galway will beat Meath even with their injuries.
Three Ulster teams should reach the last four and lucky Galway will find a way to fall over the line.
Is this not a game too far for Galway?Think the extra games have suited Kerry But Galway needed a handy game last week and they had another battle to the end. Meath are still a bit of an unknown quantity but if any other of the remaining teams won all their group games and beat Kerry & the Dubs in the championship, they'd be definite favourites.
Armagh v Kerry boils down to Armagh limiting Clifford's influence and the way they are defending I wouldn't count on it. If they can win midfield and cut off the supply, that's half the job done, but defensively Armagh don't look as balanced as they did last year with McKay out.
Galway don't do handy games unless they go up against poorly organised teams low on confidence. Both Meath and Galway will be happy with that draw.
Kerry to me could have done with the rest but I'd expect that slip up v Meath will now mean a last 8 exit.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 23, 2025, 10:03:49 AMQuote from: omagh_gael on June 23, 2025, 08:58:50 AMPretty much nailed on it'll be:
Saturday
Galway v Meath
Dublin v Tyrone
Sunday
Donegal v monaghan
Armagh v Kerry
Jimmy whinging matches will get his way, the 6 day turnaround should have to be sucked up and accepted for finishing 2nd or 3rd in the group.
Jimmy McGirnness
I hear McGuinness was complaining yesterday about unrealistic demands and the number of injuries to players across the country? It begs the question, did he not know the championship structure when he brought a 35 year old Murphy out of retirement and then play a game where nearly every play goes through him?
Are these genuine complaints or is it all about deflecting any chat or pressure from his squad? Whatever about it, it's all becoming a bit tiresome!
Quote from: APM on June 23, 2025, 09:51:57 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on June 23, 2025, 09:43:44 AMQuote from: mup on June 23, 2025, 08:57:47 AMCan't call three of those games. Galway will beat Meath even with their injuries.
Three Ulster teams should reach the last four and lucky Galway will find a way to fall over the line.
Is this not a game too far for Galway?Think the extra games have suited Kerry But Galway needed a handy game last week and they had another battle to the end. Meath are still a bit of an unknown quantity but if any other of the remaining teams won all their group games and beat Kerry & the Dubs in the championship, they'd be definite favourites.
Armagh v Kerry boils down to Armagh limiting Clifford's influence and the way they are defending I wouldn't count on it. If they can win midfield and cut off the supply, that's half the job done, but defensively Armagh don't look as balanced as they did last year with McKay out.
Exactly the way I see it, I've said it before the new rules are no friend of McCambridge, I know he's an injury doubt but if fit it's either him or Paddy Hamstring - unless McGeeney has a cunning plan, quite possible too.
The talking up of Armagh is BS/annoying at this stage, I wouldn't travel with any great confidence.
In previous years the preliminary quarter final teams all lost their qf . This year is somehow different because the preliminary teams are overall better than the waiting teams(Armagh are the exception). I would be surprised if the 4 waiting teams all won their quarter finals.
Quote from: APM on June 23, 2025, 10:12:52 AMQuote from: JoG2 on June 23, 2025, 10:03:49 AMQuote from: omagh_gael on June 23, 2025, 08:58:50 AMPretty much nailed on it'll be:
Saturday
Galway v Meath
Dublin v Tyrone
Sunday
Donegal v monaghan
Armagh v Kerry
Jimmy whinging matches will get his way, the 6 day turnaround should have to be sucked up and accepted for finishing 2nd or 3rd in the group.
Jimmy McGirnness
I hear McGuinness was complaining yesterday about unrealistic demands and the number of injuries to players across the country? It begs the question, did he not know the championship structure when he brought a 35 year old Murphy out of retirement and then play a game where nearly every play goes through him?
Are these genuine complaints or is it all about deflecting any chat or pressure from his squad? Whatever about it, it's all becoming a bit tiresome!
He isn't wrong but neither are you.
Players are saying how quicker the game has become with the new rules, and the excess games are sure to be taking their toll on squads.
But he knew from January the structure and the amount of games he would potentially be playing. Had they topped their group this wouldn't be his issue I suppose with the week and game off. Siege mentality stuff for Jim.
Tyrone/Dublin - should be a good one. Both out to prove something.
Armagh/Kerry - as mentioned, Cliffords impact needs curbed for Armagh to get out of this one. Good moving the ball forward, questionable in defence.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 23, 2025, 10:16:00 AMThe talking up of Armagh is BS/annoying at this stage, I wouldn't travel with any great confidence.
More than a few lads here seem to think retaining Sam is a fait accompli.
Quote from: APM on June 23, 2025, 10:12:52 AMQuote from: JoG2 on June 23, 2025, 10:03:49 AMQuote from: omagh_gael on June 23, 2025, 08:58:50 AMPretty much nailed on it'll be:
Saturday
Galway v Meath
Dublin v Tyrone
Sunday
Donegal v monaghan
Armagh v Kerry
Jimmy whinging matches will get his way, the 6 day turnaround should have to be sucked up and accepted for finishing 2nd or 3rd in the group.
Jimmy McGirnness
I hear McGuinness was complaining yesterday about unrealistic demands and the number of injuries to players across the country? It begs the question, did he not know the championship structure when he brought a 35 year old Murphy out of retirement and then play a game where nearly every play goes through him?
Are these genuine complaints or is it all about deflecting any chat or pressure from his squad? Whatever about it, it's all becoming a bit tiresome!
Yes , it is tiresome from McGuinness. But pointing things like this out on the thread, is what's tiresome, apparently ::)
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 23, 2025, 09:07:55 AMQuote from: mup on June 23, 2025, 08:57:47 AMCan't call three of those games. Galway will beat Meath even with their injuries.
haha. Always trust a flour bag to moan. Enjoy the tc final. Although limerick likely winners
Point out where I'm moaning. Take your time.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 23, 2025, 09:43:44 AMQuote from: mup on June 23, 2025, 08:57:47 AMCan't call three of those games. Galway will beat Meath even with their injuries.
Three Ulster teams should reach the last four and lucky Galway will find a way to fall over the line.
Galway will have way too much quality for Meath imo.
And if a gun was put to my head I'd call Armagh, Tyrone and Donegal without any great confidence.
Quote from: seafoid on June 23, 2025, 10:22:29 AMIn previous years the preliminary quarter final teams all lost their qf . This year is somehow different because the preliminary teams are overall better than the waiting teams(Armagh are the exception). I would be surprised if the 4 waiting teams all won their quarter finals.
Not true. Last year Galway made it to the final after being in a prelim quarter final. And in 2023 Monaghan made to to semis after being in prelim quarter final. So yes it is rare and shows the benefit of the weeks rest, but it has happened.
Quote from: mup on June 23, 2025, 10:43:40 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on June 23, 2025, 09:43:44 AMQuote from: mup on June 23, 2025, 08:57:47 AMCan't call three of those games. Galway will beat Meath even with their injuries.
Three Ulster teams should reach the last four and lucky Galway will find a way to fall over the line.
Galway will have way too much quality for Meath imo.
And if a gun was put to my head I'd call Armagh, Tyrone and Donegal without any great confidence.
Same was said about Galway last year before playing Westmeath,Sligo and Mayo,Derry,Down this year and just stumbled past them. Meath supporters will be on here next week with their what ifs.
Quote from: Schkite on June 23, 2025, 10:51:22 AMQuote from: seafoid on June 23, 2025, 10:22:29 AMIn previous years the preliminary quarter final teams all lost their qf . This year is somehow different because the preliminary teams are overall better than the waiting teams(Armagh are the exception). I would be surprised if the 4 waiting teams all won their quarter finals.
Not true. Last year Galway made it to the final after being in a prelim quarter final. And in 2023 Monaghan made to to semis after being in prelim quarter final. So yes it is rare and shows the benefit of the weeks rest, but it has happened.
Only happened last year with his own county, Seafoid with short term memory loss?
I think Meath will be happy they drew us rather than Donegal or Dublin to be honest.
On all known form, we are well behind both of them.
We've been completely up and down within games all year & scraping results by the skin of our teeth.
It's admirable to be able to do that in many respects but you only get away with it for so long.
Quote from: Schkite on June 23, 2025, 09:26:51 AMLove being writ off already and the draw only made. You'd swear Donegal put 30 on us in Ulster ffs
Who is writing you off?
50/50 game to me, especially with you having an extra week rest.
Quote from: J70 on June 23, 2025, 11:00:33 AMQuote from: Schkite on June 23, 2025, 09:26:51 AMLove being writ off already and the draw only made. You'd swear Donegal put 30 on us in Ulster ffs
Who is writing you off?
50/50 game to me, especially with you having an extra week rest.
Will be a cracker. That one could very easily have went to extra time as well. Totally 50/50 I think.
Has he complained yet about the draw.
This week will see the following teams playing. In brackets is what number of matches against a Division 1 team in the championship they will have played by the end of the match.
Kerry (1) v Armagh (6)
Donegal (4) v Monaghan (2)
Galway (4) v Meath (3)
Dublin (5) v Tyrone (4)
I'm surprised he hasn't moaned about that yet.
I think Tyrone will win comfortably with Kerry Meath and Donegal edging the other games.
Armagh don't have anyone to mark clifford.
McKay out
McCambridge out
Burns give away 2 pens v Galway
Sure they've the best squad in the country n still haven't fielded the team that won the all ireland
Quote from: 5times5times on June 23, 2025, 11:12:18 AMArmagh don't have anyone to mark clifford.
McKay out
McCambridge out
Burns give away 2 pens v Galway
Does anyone have someone to mark the two Cliffords?
Quote from: 5times5times on June 23, 2025, 11:12:18 AMArmagh don't have anyone to mark clifford.
McKay out
McCambridge out
Burns give away 2 pens v Galway
Interested as to where you get your info from because it's different to what I am hearing
Quote from: naka on June 23, 2025, 11:33:52 AMQuote from: 5times5times on June 23, 2025, 11:12:18 AMArmagh don't have anyone to mark clifford.
McKay out
McCambridge out
Burns give away 2 pens v Galway
Interested as to where you get your info from because it's different to what I am hearing
McKay hasnt seen grass yet this year, and got knock weekend just passed.
McCambridge went off limping badly v Galway.
#3 is a simple fact
Apparently Louth, who for reasons I can't fathom, were staying in Enniskillen, got lost on their way to Ballybofey and ended up in Sligo.
Arrived 45 mins before kickoff and were not given a delayed kickoff.
Quote from: Baile BrigÃn 2 on June 23, 2025, 11:51:48 AMApparently Louth, who for reasons I can't fathom, were staying in Enniskillen, got lost on their way to Ballybofey and ended up in Sligo.
Arrived 45 mins before kickoff and were not given a delayed kickoff.
Not a hotel to be had in Donegal with the rally on apparently.
Quote from: APM on June 23, 2025, 10:12:52 AMQuote from: JoG2 on June 23, 2025, 10:03:49 AMQuote from: omagh_gael on June 23, 2025, 08:58:50 AMPretty much nailed on it'll be:
Saturday
Galway v Meath
Dublin v Tyrone
Sunday
Donegal v monaghan
Armagh v Kerry
Jimmy whinging matches will get his way, the 6 day turnaround should have to be sucked up and accepted for finishing 2nd or 3rd in the group.
Jimmy McGirnness
I hear McGuinness was complaining yesterday about unrealistic demands and the number of injuries to players across the country? It begs the question, did he not know the championship structure when he brought a 35 year old Murphy out of retirement and then play a game where nearly every play goes through him?
Are these genuine complaints or is it all about deflecting any chat or pressure from his squad? Whatever about it, it's all becoming a bit tiresome!
Yes you're correct 100% deflection plus always being in the NEWS
Having said that he's a Clever guy who has great influence on players and has assembled a panel of good players and his 'game management' is excellent ... will give Sam a good rattle
Quote from: Baile BrigÃn 2 on June 23, 2025, 11:51:48 AMApparently Louth, who for reasons I can't fathom, were staying in Enniskillen, got lost on their way to Ballybofey and ended up in Sligo.
Arrived 45 mins before kickoff and were not given a delayed kickoff.
Did they ask for one?
That said, with multiple routes available to go from Enniskillen to Ballybofey, and with satnav/map apps, how the hell did the driver end up in Sligo?
Quote from: J70 on June 23, 2025, 12:20:22 PMQuote from: Baile BrigÃn 2 on June 23, 2025, 11:51:48 AMApparently Louth, who for reasons I can't fathom, were staying in Enniskillen, got lost on their way to Ballybofey and ended up in Sligo.
Arrived 45 mins before kickoff and were not given a delayed kickoff.
Did they ask for one?
That said, with multiple routes available to go from Enniskillen to Ballybofey, and with satnav/map apps, how the hell did the driver end up in Sligo?
Someone said yesterday that they asked for a delay but Donegal refused. Could be balls though obviously.
Quote from: SaffronSports on June 23, 2025, 12:22:43 PMQuote from: J70 on June 23, 2025, 12:20:22 PMQuote from: Baile BrigÃn 2 on June 23, 2025, 11:51:48 AMApparently Louth, who for reasons I can't fathom, were staying in Enniskillen, got lost on their way to Ballybofey and ended up in Sligo.
Arrived 45 mins before kickoff and were not given a delayed kickoff.
Did they ask for one?
That said, with multiple routes available to go from Enniskillen to Ballybofey, and with satnav/map apps, how the hell did the driver end up in Sligo?
Someone said yesterday that they asked for a delay but Donegal refused. Could be balls though obviously.
The louth manager came out and said he asked for a 15 minute delay and was denied. There would be some crying if Jim was denied a 15 minute delay-
https://www.donegallive.ie/news/gaa-lgfa/1831998/louth-get-lost-on-their-way-to-play-donegal-in-ballybofey-and-end-up-in-sligo.html
Quote from: SaffronSports on June 23, 2025, 12:22:43 PMQuote from: J70 on June 23, 2025, 12:20:22 PMQuote from: Baile BrigÃn 2 on June 23, 2025, 11:51:48 AMApparently Louth, who for reasons I can't fathom, were staying in Enniskillen, got lost on their way to Ballybofey and ended up in Sligo.
Arrived 45 mins before kickoff and were not given a delayed kickoff.
Did they ask for one?
That said, with multiple routes available to go from Enniskillen to Ballybofey, and with satnav/map apps, how the hell did the driver end up in Sligo?
Someone said yesterday that they asked for a delay but Donegal refused. Could be balls though obviously.
Duty of care Jim can't be concerned about the welfare of opposition players after sub-optimal logistics, the poor people of Donegal have to get home for winning streak ffs
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 23, 2025, 12:26:43 PMQuote from: SaffronSports on June 23, 2025, 12:22:43 PMQuote from: J70 on June 23, 2025, 12:20:22 PMQuote from: Baile BrigÃn 2 on June 23, 2025, 11:51:48 AMApparently Louth, who for reasons I can't fathom, were staying in Enniskillen, got lost on their way to Ballybofey and ended up in Sligo.
Arrived 45 mins before kickoff and were not given a delayed kickoff.
Did they ask for one?
That said, with multiple routes available to go from Enniskillen to Ballybofey, and with satnav/map apps, how the hell did the driver end up in Sligo?
Someone said yesterday that they asked for a delay but Donegal refused. Could be balls though obviously.
The louth manager came out and said he asked for a 15 minute delay and was denied. There would be some crying if Jim was denied a 15 minute delay-
https://www.donegallive.ie/news/gaa-lgfa/1831998/louth-get-lost-on-their-way-to-play-donegal-in-ballybofey-and-end-up-in-sligo.html
Jim would not have hired a bus driver who hadn't a clue.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 23, 2025, 12:26:43 PMQuote from: SaffronSports on June 23, 2025, 12:22:43 PMQuote from: J70 on June 23, 2025, 12:20:22 PMQuote from: Baile BrigÃn 2 on June 23, 2025, 11:51:48 AMApparently Louth, who for reasons I can't fathom, were staying in Enniskillen, got lost on their way to Ballybofey and ended up in Sligo.
Arrived 45 mins before kickoff and were not given a delayed kickoff.
Did they ask for one?
That said, with multiple routes available to go from Enniskillen to Ballybofey, and with satnav/map apps, how the hell did the driver end up in Sligo?
Someone said yesterday that they asked for a delay but Donegal refused. Could be balls though obviously.
The louth manager came out and said he asked for a 15 minute delay and was denied. There would be some crying if Jim was denied a 15 minute delay-
https://www.donegallive.ie/news/gaa-lgfa/1831998/louth-get-lost-on-their-way-to-play-donegal-in-ballybofey-and-end-up-in-sligo.html
Not cute enough from Brennan, if he was genuinely going to be ready with only a 15min delay having arrived late he shouldn't been asking, he should have told Jim, the ref and Murphy that the game will start at 4.15
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 23, 2025, 12:26:43 PMQuote from: SaffronSports on June 23, 2025, 12:22:43 PMQuote from: J70 on June 23, 2025, 12:20:22 PMQuote from: Baile BrigÃn 2 on June 23, 2025, 11:51:48 AMApparently Louth, who for reasons I can't fathom, were staying in Enniskillen, got lost on their way to Ballybofey and ended up in Sligo.
Arrived 45 mins before kickoff and were not given a delayed kickoff.
Did they ask for one?
That said, with multiple routes available to go from Enniskillen to Ballybofey, and with satnav/map apps, how the hell did the driver end up in Sligo?
Someone said yesterday that they asked for a delay but Donegal refused. Could be balls though obviously.
The louth manager came out and said he asked for a 15 minute delay and was denied. There would be some crying if Jim was denied a 15 minute delay-
https://www.donegallive.ie/news/gaa-lgfa/1831998/louth-get-lost-on-their-way-to-play-donegal-in-ballybofey-and-end-up-in-sligo.html
15 mins is mental. That should have just been approved straight away. Not like TV mattered either. It was on GAA+ so not like it's messing up scheduling.
According to that Donegal Live article, this is what Brennan said:
It was human error in terms of navigation. But luckily, we played well in the first half so maybe it worked. And that the provision of 15 minutes, if needed, would have been sorted out.
You lads are f**king ridiculous.
Quote from: J70 on June 23, 2025, 12:42:25 PMAccording to that Donegal Live article, this is what Brennan said:
It was human error in terms of navigation. But luckily, we played well in the first half so maybe it worked. And that the provision of 15 minutes, if needed, would have been sorted out.
You lads are f**king ridiculous.
"Teams usually arrive 90 minutes before a game is to start and Louth had asked for a 15-minute delay, which was not granted in the end"
Both are contradicting each other. Also says louth requested a delay-
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/donegal-v-louth-live-score-35433690.amp
So amid the allegations and contradictory information, the automatic truth is that Evil All-Powerful Jim denied the request for a delayed throw-in?
Brennan said afterwards that the delay "would have been sorted out" if they needed it. He doesn't strike me as someone who would mince his words if he was annoyed about it or who would have given Jim the warm handshake at the end.
Perhaps they requested that it be considered, but given that they ultimately were able to have enough time to warm up properly and prepare, the game went ahead as scheduled?
Is that a possbility?
Users of this forum in particular seem to be losing their minds over Murphy and McGuinness
Tyrone asked for a couple of weeks delay one year...
As an aside to this story, the amount of bus drivers who don't have a clue where they are going is unreal.
I've been with team and young groups going places and they ask me how to get to the places.
I'm not joking. Unreal stuff.
Quote from: J70 on June 23, 2025, 11:00:33 AMQuote from: Schkite on June 23, 2025, 09:26:51 AMLove being writ off already and the draw only made. You'd swear Donegal put 30 on us in Ulster ffs
Who is writing you off?
50/50 game to me, especially with you having an extra week rest.
Way too much being made over the extra weeks rest for this game, I think we might even be a bit rusty :) Donegal had a handy competitive practice game at home, in contrast to Galway who had to travel to hostile territory,taken to the wire in a tough game and have more than a few players nursing sores.
It is Monaghan who have to improve a hell of a lot on that UCQF performance. The tactical naivety was frustrating especially in the first half.
We need Gary Mohan back from injury also a fit Killian Lavelle.
In our favour, Micheál McCarville at midfield has grown by the game and Ryan O'Toole has become a stalwart of the team. And beating a fiercely competitive Down was no mean feat.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 23, 2025, 01:28:22 PMTyrone asked for a couple of weeks delay one year...
I don't think they got lost.
Quote from: greatpoint on June 23, 2025, 01:26:12 PMUsers of this forum in particular seem to be losing their minds over Murphy and McGuinness
Well he is evil and all-powerful according to J70! ;)
Quote from: Baile BrigÃn 2 on June 23, 2025, 11:51:48 AMApparently Louth, who for reasons I can't fathom, were staying in Enniskillen, got lost on their way to Ballybofey and ended up in Sligo.
Arrived 45 mins before kickoff and were not given a delayed kickoff.
Kick off!!!!!
Try and familiarise yourself with the "Gah" before posting.
Wonder has Fergal McGill the 3 course Croke Park Hotel dinner in him... any chance of letting us know the fixtures!
Quote from: WT4E on June 23, 2025, 01:56:48 PMWonder has Fergal McGill the 3 course Croke Park Hotel dinner in him... any chance of letting us know the fixtures!
He said this morning that they would be out at 14:30
I see some are saying Monaghan might do something v Donegal, but I'd nearly look at Meath catching Galway if injuries don't clear up. I don't see Thompson as being the ace he was the next day...
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 23, 2025, 02:25:40 PMQuote from: WT4E on June 23, 2025, 01:56:48 PMWonder has Fergal McGill the 3 course Croke Park Hotel dinner in him... any chance of letting us know the fixtures!
He said this morning that they would be out at 14:30
It's after 14:30 now. Release the fixtures!
Quote from: clarshack on June 23, 2025, 02:34:07 PMQuote from: Smokin Joe on June 23, 2025, 02:25:40 PMQuote from: WT4E on June 23, 2025, 01:56:48 PMWonder has Fergal McGill the 3 course Croke Park Hotel dinner in him... any chance of letting us know the fixtures!
He said this morning that they would be out at 14:30
It's after 14:30 now. Release the fixtures!
He must be having tea too.
https://www.gaa.ie/article/all-ireland-sfc-quarter-finals-fixtures-confirmed
Very surprised at that, thought Monaghan/Donegal would be nailed on for Sunday
Jim in 3, 2, 1 🤬
Jim not be happy 6 day turnaround CCC flexing their authority imo.
Quote from: skeog on June 23, 2025, 02:48:57 PMJim not be happy 6 day turnaround CCC flexing their authority imo.
Luck of the draw
Quote from: skeog on June 23, 2025, 02:48:57 PMJim not be happy 6 day turnaround CCC flexing their authority imo.
I wouldn't blame him in this case to be honest. He'll turn it into some sort of rallying call now
Quote from: skeog on June 23, 2025, 02:48:57 PMJim not be happy 6 day turnaround CCC flexing their authority imo.
Good.
His tactic of tireless, tireless running (as well as being a fucken eyesore) might reap full rewards this season, but it's going to both increase muscle injuries, and decimate the career longevity of a number of Donegal starters.
He will then blame anything and everything but himself when this comes to pass.
So if CCC can find any opportunities to rattle his cage, they should so so. The man completing ruined our game before, and he's back to do it again. He should be treated like a pariah. He really should.
Quote from: skeog on June 23, 2025, 02:48:57 PMJim not be happy 6 day turnaround CCC flexing their authority imo.
Donegal wans need to be home for Glenroe, hence the Saturday fixture
Quote from: thewobbler on June 23, 2025, 02:54:35 PMQuote from: skeog on June 23, 2025, 02:48:57 PMJim not be happy 6 day turnaround CCC flexing their authority imo.
Good.
His tactic of tireless, tireless running (as well as being a fucken eyesore) might reap full rewards this season, but it's going to both increase muscle injuries, and decimate the career longevity of a number of Donegal starters.
He will then blame anything and everything but himself when this comes to pass.
So if CCC can find any opportunities to rattle his cage, they should so so. The man completing ruined our game before, and he's back to do it again. He should be treated like a pariah. He really should.
Wouldn't have hired a shite bus driver
But hired Rory Gallagher, nuf said
The obsession with Jim McGuinness on here is hilarious. He's living rent free in a lot of heads on here.
Quote from: mup on June 23, 2025, 02:59:00 PMThe obsession with Jim McGuinness on here is hilarious. He's living rent free in a lot of heads on here.
People discussing Jim McGuinness on a GAA discussion board are living rent free in your head
Quote from: David McKeown on June 23, 2025, 02:53:01 PMQuote from: skeog on June 23, 2025, 02:48:57 PMJim not be happy 6 day turnaround CCC flexing their authority imo.
Luck of the draw
Why do you keep repeating that over and over? A draw is random.
This is a heavily thought out decision (rightly or wrongly)
Anyone else notice all the Donegal players bolting off the pitch at the end of the game?
Even Jim was heading for the gate at a good pace.
Just wondered if it was anything to do with the stick that MM got the week before for doing it.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 23, 2025, 03:02:25 PMQuote from: mup on June 23, 2025, 02:59:00 PMThe obsession with Jim McGuinness on here is hilarious. He's living rent free in a lot of heads on here.
People discussing Jim McGuinness on a GAA discussion board are living rent free in your head
People mentioning people discussing Jim McGuinness on a Gaa discussion board are living rent free in your head. 😁
Quote from: NAG1 on June 23, 2025, 03:09:17 PMAnyone else notice all the Donegal players bolting off the pitch at the end of the game?
Even Jim was heading for the gate at a good pace.
Just wondered if it was anything to do with the stick that MM got the week before for doing it.
They indicated on the TV that the subs had made their way around, and off the pitch, with a few mins remaining. Players then bolted off too. Straight into recovery mode
Quote from: mup on June 23, 2025, 02:59:00 PMThe obsession with Jim McGuinness on here is hilarious. He's living rent free in a lot of heads on here.
Murphy too. And a few years back Declan Bonner.
Good job Martin McHugh was never given the Donegal job. Heads would literally have exploded!
Maybe we need to give Paddy Carr another go to make the lads feel better.
Trains from Newry/Dundalk sold out already...
3 teams using the same road to croker on a Saturday makes complete logistical sense.
the same 3 counties with no train services.
As long as dublin play on the latter slot, thats all that matters :o
Donegal and Monaghan fans with a Sophie's Choice situation with who to shout for in the second game on Saturday. ;D
Quote from: smort on June 23, 2025, 03:13:04 PMQuote from: NAG1 on June 23, 2025, 03:09:17 PMAnyone else notice all the Donegal players bolting off the pitch at the end of the game?
Even Jim was heading for the gate at a good pace.
Just wondered if it was anything to do with the stick that MM got the week before for doing it.
They indicated on the TV that the subs had made their way around, and off the pitch, with a few mins remaining. Players then bolted off too. Straight into recovery mode
That makes sense tbf. Just looked strange at the final whistle.
Quote from: donelli on June 23, 2025, 03:24:42 PM3 teams using the same road to croker on a Saturday makes complete logistical sense.
the same 3 counties with no train services.
As long as dublin play on the latter slot, thats all that matters :o
I'd hand you some more straw to clutch but i don't think you've any room left.
yep its more to do with the players need to be in the ice baths so many mins after the game etc etc
Jimmys methods are dictated by science :)
a talk he did back in feb mentioned room temps in the hotel, a specialist chef overseeing the food and so on..no stone left unturned
Quote from: donelli on June 23, 2025, 03:24:42 PM3 teams using the same road to croker on a Saturday makes complete logistical sense.
the same 3 counties with no train services.
As long as dublin play on the latter slot, thats all that matters :o
Not sure how Dublin can be blamed at all here. If anything this seems more like Daddy Jarlath helping out his native county by ensuring they have the best chance of getting tickets and making the drive less congested for the Armagh folk.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 23, 2025, 03:08:55 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 23, 2025, 02:53:01 PMQuote from: skeog on June 23, 2025, 02:48:57 PMJim not be happy 6 day turnaround CCC flexing their authority imo.
Luck of the draw
Why do you keep repeating that over and over? A draw is random.
This is a heavily thought out decision (rightly or wrongly)
Well no draw in the GAA is random what with seeding, the avoidance of repeat pairings and the provincial system but the dates were set in stone before this one. Games would be either 28/29. The only time a 6 day turnaround isn't allowed is for a beaten provincial finalist.
Donegal had the opportunity to avoid this happening to them.
The draw with All Ireland champions v the Munster champions was always likely to see a scenario where one team from last Sunday would be playing this Saturday.
Again the last two weeks come down to luck of the draw and the fixtures it generates. Some teams are going to get shorter turnarounds some longer. That's unavoidable
Teams can't really complain about 6/7/8 day turnarounds nor can they complain about 13/14/15 days. That's just how things have panned out.
Though if you only complain when it impacts on you then I think that's simply hypocrisy.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 23, 2025, 03:24:05 PMTrains from Newry/Dundalk sold out already...
Cant get a train ticket from Letterkenny/Omagh or Monaghan either :o
Quote from: David McKeown on June 23, 2025, 03:44:33 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 23, 2025, 03:08:55 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 23, 2025, 02:53:01 PMQuote from: skeog on June 23, 2025, 02:48:57 PMJim not be happy 6 day turnaround CCC flexing their authority imo.
Luck of the draw
Why do you keep repeating that over and over? A draw is random.
This is a heavily thought out decision (rightly or wrongly)
Well no draw in the GAA is random what with seeding, the avoidance of repeat pairings and the provincial system but the dates were set in stone before this one. Games would be either 28/29. The only time a 6 day turnaround isn't allowed is for a beaten provincial finalist.
Donegal had the opportunity to avoid this happening to them.
The draw with All Ireland champions v the Munster champions was always likely to see a scenario where one team from last Sunday would be playing this Saturday.
Again the last two weeks come down to luck of the draw and the fixtures it generates. Some teams are going to get shorter turnarounds some longer. That's unavoidable
Teams can't really complain about 6/7/8 day turnarounds nor can they complain about 13/14/15 days. That's just how things have panned out.
Though if you only complain when it impacts on you then I think that's simply hypocrisy.
I'm not from Donegal clearly, but I believe they should have got a 7 day turnaround the same as ourselves, Kerry and Dublin.
You keep bringing 13 vs 14 days into it as well - once you're into the two week territory the extra day doesn't matter a shite as you well know.
Quote from: Onthe40 on June 23, 2025, 03:32:22 PMyep its more to do with the players need to be in the ice baths so many mins after the game etc etc
Jimmys methods are dictated by science :)
a talk he did back in feb mentioned room temps in the hotel, a specialist chef overseeing the food and so on..no stone left unturned
Aye I even heard him mention that the celebratory cans of Heninekin for the bus back to Donegal town after the Ulster Final had to be a certain temperature too to avoid severe dehydration.
Quote from: donelli on June 23, 2025, 03:24:42 PM3 teams using the same road to croker on a Saturday makes complete logistical sense.
the same 3 counties with no train services.
As long as dublin play on the latter slot, thats all that matters :o
And the A5 road project got squashed today too. Jim probably thinking the CCCC were behind that, to make it harder for Donegal to get out of Donegal ;D
Fear not lads, they still will beat Monaghan comfortably enough next week.
Was there much mention of this last week when Cavan had the 6 day turnaround?
Quote from: donelli on June 23, 2025, 03:24:42 PM3 teams using the same road to croker on a Saturday makes complete logistical sense.
the same 3 counties with no train services.
As long as dublin play on the latter slot, thats all that matters :o
5 teams out of the 8 playing next weekend will have traffic on the M1.
Dying to know how you would have organised it???
Quote from: J70 on June 23, 2025, 12:20:22 PMQuote from: Baile BrigÃn 2 on June 23, 2025, 11:51:48 AMApparently Louth, who for reasons I can't fathom, were staying in Enniskillen, got lost on their way to Ballybofey and ended up in Sligo.
Arrived 45 mins before kickoff and were not given a delayed kickoff.
Did they ask for one?
That said, with multiple routes available to go from Enniskillen to Ballybofey, and with satnav/map apps, how the hell did the driver end up in Sligo?
I understand they did.
Absolutely no idea.
Quote from: mup on June 23, 2025, 03:11:18 PMQuote from: JoG2 on June 23, 2025, 03:02:25 PMQuote from: mup on June 23, 2025, 02:59:00 PMThe obsession with Jim McGuinness on here is hilarious. He's living rent free in a lot of heads on here.
People discussing Jim McGuinness on a GAA discussion board are living rent free in your head
People mentioning people discussing Jim McGuinness on a Gaa discussion board are living rent free in your head. 😁
Touché 😀
Travel mix ups happen all the time, as a kid we arrived in Ballyfarnon for a match only to be greeted by St Ronans and Western Gaels players and management wondering what the f**k we were doing there. We went north instead of south to Ballyforan !! Thankfully management found a payphone in a pub ( the joy of the early 90's!) and explained all and we played the game the next day. No need to worry about Roscommon CCCC or any other bolloxology, just played the game although their two best players went on holidays that Sunday morning 8)
In 2010 Down were playing in Tullamore, the bus driver brought Down to Mullingar. Down missed a warmup and but for the base of the post there would've been no All Ireland final appearance that year.
Quote from: Onthe40 on June 23, 2025, 03:32:22 PMyep its more to do with the players need to be in the ice baths so many mins after the game etc etc
Jimmys methods are dictated by science :)
a talk he did back in feb mentioned room temps in the hotel, a specialist chef overseeing the food and so on..no stone left unturned
Jesus that is a bit much. Would doubt premier league clubs worry about room temperatures let alone a gaa side.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 23, 2025, 05:19:22 PMQuote from: Onthe40 on June 23, 2025, 03:32:22 PMyep its more to do with the players need to be in the ice baths so many mins after the game etc etc
Jimmys methods are dictated by science :)
a talk he did back in feb mentioned room temps in the hotel, a specialist chef overseeing the food and so on..no stone left unturned
Jesus that is a bit much. Would doubt premier league clubs worry about room temperatures let alone a gaa side.
What talk was that?
It's not surprising that when the Donegal George Clooney gets the gig, he's straight on the fundraising case in the UK and America straight away.
Nothing left to chance.
I actully don't mind Jimmy. He takes it serious, brings the whole of Donegal with him and uses that emotion. Nothing wrong with that.
There's question marks hanging over all the remaining teams it has to be said. It's very open.
That said I think we are bottom of the pecking order which is hard to argue with but we still have every chance of beating Galway.
Considering where we were last year it's been a great run but it's by no means over nor should we entertain that notion for a second.
Certainly think there will be a surprise in these fixtures.
Apparently the bus driver was from Donegal
Quote from: takeyourpoint on June 23, 2025, 05:42:15 PMApparently the bus driver was from Donegal
The McGuinness family do have a bus company... 🤫
Maybe it was even one of their buses in disguise!
Do we know how much tickets will be for the Sunday double header this weekend?
Quote from: J70 on June 23, 2025, 05:45:48 PMQuote from: takeyourpoint on June 23, 2025, 05:42:15 PMApparently the bus driver was from Donegal
The McGuinness family do have a bus company... 🤫
Maybe it was even one of their buses in disguise!
That would not surprise me. Remember when McGuinness had a fella spying on the Kerry training ground, for all the good it did them that year. Desperate stuff.
Quote from: tiempo on June 23, 2025, 02:55:15 PMQuote from: skeog on June 23, 2025, 02:48:57 PMJim not be happy 6 day turnaround CCC flexing their authority imo.
Donegal wans need to be home for Glenroe, hence the Saturday fixture
Winning streak and Glenroe. What decade are you boys living in? ;D
Next thing you'll be saying is you'll need to get back for the dancing at the crossroads
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 23, 2025, 06:30:02 PMQuote from: tiempo on June 23, 2025, 02:55:15 PMQuote from: skeog on June 23, 2025, 02:48:57 PMJim not be happy 6 day turnaround CCC flexing their authority imo.
Donegal wans need to be home for Glenroe, hence the Saturday fixture
Winning streak and Glenroe. What decade are you boys living in? ;D
Next thing you'll be saying is you'll need to get back for the dancing at the crossroads
Still the early 90s in Tyrone.
Baywatch on a Sunday evening with soup and egg sangwiches, and 2 ply of kleenex, the CCCCCCC are out of touch if you think the men of Donegal are missing that
Quote from: galwayman on June 23, 2025, 03:50:04 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 23, 2025, 03:44:33 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 23, 2025, 03:08:55 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 23, 2025, 02:53:01 PMQuote from: skeog on June 23, 2025, 02:48:57 PMJim not be happy 6 day turnaround CCC flexing their authority imo.
Luck of the draw
Why do you keep repeating that over and over? A draw is random.
This is a heavily thought out decision (rightly or wrongly)
Well no draw in the GAA is random what with seeding, the avoidance of repeat pairings and the provincial system but the dates were set in stone before this one. Games would be either 28/29. The only time a 6 day turnaround isn't allowed is for a beaten provincial finalist.
Donegal had the opportunity to avoid this happening to them.
The draw with All Ireland champions v the Munster champions was always likely to see a scenario where one team from last Sunday would be playing this Saturday.
Again the last two weeks come down to luck of the draw and the fixtures it generates. Some teams are going to get shorter turnarounds some longer. That's unavoidable
Teams can't really complain about 6/7/8 day turnarounds nor can they complain about 13/14/15 days. That's just how things have panned out.
Though if you only complain when it impacts on you then I think that's simply hypocrisy.
I'm not from Donegal clearly, but I believe they should have got a 7 day turnaround the same as ourselves, Kerry and Dublin.
You keep bringing 13 vs 14 days into it as well - once you're into the two week territory the extra day doesn't matter a shite as you well know.
It absolutely can matter I am sure Meath, Armagh and Kerry are delighted with an extra day which given the nature of the current game could be invaluable in getting injured players on the pitch. Is it as important as a day in 6 v 7 possibly not but that's perception and speculation. Also why shouldnt the group winners be considered the same way. The whole thing could be avoided with 2 weeks between rounds but that would mean a significant loss to the association with the All Ireland final having to go back 2 weeks
Quote from: thejuice on June 23, 2025, 05:33:21 PMThere's question marks hanging over all the remaining teams it has to be said. It's very open.
That said I think we are bottom of the pecking order which is hard to argue with but we still have every chance of beating Galway.
Considering where we were last year it's been a great run but it's by no means over nor should we entertain that notion for a second.
Certainly think there will be a surprise in these fixtures.
Chances of a surprise
1.kerry (hopefully not)
2.Tyrone
3.Meath
4.Monaghan
Quote from: takeyourpoint on June 23, 2025, 05:42:15 PMApparently the bus driver was from Donegal
Apparently the owner of the bellurgan bus company was the pilot on the day....lives up to the name w-anchor tours
Quote from: David McKeown on June 23, 2025, 07:19:45 PMQuote from: galwayman on June 23, 2025, 03:50:04 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 23, 2025, 03:44:33 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 23, 2025, 03:08:55 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 23, 2025, 02:53:01 PMQuote from: skeog on June 23, 2025, 02:48:57 PMJim not be happy 6 day turnaround CCC flexing their authority imo.
Luck of the draw
Why do you keep repeating that over and over? A draw is random.
This is a heavily thought out decision (rightly or wrongly)
Well no draw in the GAA is random what with seeding, the avoidance of repeat pairings and the provincial system but the dates were set in stone before this one. Games would be either 28/29. The only time a 6 day turnaround isn't allowed is for a beaten provincial finalist.
Donegal had the opportunity to avoid this happening to them.
The draw with All Ireland champions v the Munster champions was always likely to see a scenario where one team from last Sunday would be playing this Saturday.
Again the last two weeks come down to luck of the draw and the fixtures it generates. Some teams are going to get shorter turnarounds some longer. That's unavoidable
Teams can't really complain about 6/7/8 day turnarounds nor can they complain about 13/14/15 days. That's just how things have panned out.
Though if you only complain when it impacts on you then I think that's simply hypocrisy.
I'm not from Donegal clearly, but I believe they should have got a 7 day turnaround the same as ourselves, Kerry and Dublin.
You keep bringing 13 vs 14 days into it as well - once you're into the two week territory the extra day doesn't matter a shite as you well know.
It absolutely can matter I am sure Meath, Armagh and Kerry are delighted with an extra day which given the nature of the current game could be invaluable in getting injured players on the pitch. Is it as important as a day in 6 v 7 possibly not but that's perception and speculation. Also why shouldnt the group winners be considered the same way. The whole thing could be avoided with 2 weeks between rounds but that would mean a significant loss to the association with the All Ireland final having to go back 2 weeks
Can't do that. Club season.
Quote from: joemamas on June 23, 2025, 07:31:58 PMQuote from: thejuice on June 23, 2025, 05:33:21 PMThere's question marks hanging over all the remaining teams it has to be said. It's very open.
That said I think we are bottom of the pecking order which is hard to argue with but we still have every chance of beating Galway.
Considering where we were last year it's been a great run but it's by no means over nor should we entertain that notion for a second.
Certainly think there will be a surprise in these fixtures.
Chances of a surprise
1.kerry (hopefully not)
2.Tyrone
3.Meath
4.Monaghan
Would Tyrone winning even be a surprise? Or Kerry?
I don't understand why Kerry are being written off - Armagh should be slight favourites but no more than that.
Meath wouldn't be a big surprise either - they have beat Dublin and Kerry and Galway have been hit and miss.
I wouldn't be surprised if Tyrone get hammered or I wouldn't be surprised if they won.
I couldn't see Monaghan winning though Donegal would need their second half form rather than their first from the weekend.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 07:55:14 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 23, 2025, 07:19:45 PMQuote from: galwayman on June 23, 2025, 03:50:04 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 23, 2025, 03:44:33 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 23, 2025, 03:08:55 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 23, 2025, 02:53:01 PMQuote from: skeog on June 23, 2025, 02:48:57 PMJim not be happy 6 day turnaround CCC flexing their authority imo.
Luck of the draw
Why do you keep repeating that over and over? A draw is random.
This is a heavily thought out decision (rightly or wrongly)
Well no draw in the GAA is random what with seeding, the avoidance of repeat pairings and the provincial system but the dates were set in stone before this one. Games would be either 28/29. The only time a 6 day turnaround isn't allowed is for a beaten provincial finalist.
Donegal had the opportunity to avoid this happening to them.
The draw with All Ireland champions v the Munster champions was always likely to see a scenario where one team from last Sunday would be playing this Saturday.
Again the last two weeks come down to luck of the draw and the fixtures it generates. Some teams are going to get shorter turnarounds some longer. That's unavoidable
Teams can't really complain about 6/7/8 day turnarounds nor can they complain about 13/14/15 days. That's just how things have panned out.
Though if you only complain when it impacts on you then I think that's simply hypocrisy.
I'm not from Donegal clearly, but I believe they should have got a 7 day turnaround the same as ourselves, Kerry and Dublin.
You keep bringing 13 vs 14 days into it as well - once you're into the two week territory the extra day doesn't matter a shite as you well know.
It absolutely can matter I am sure Meath, Armagh and Kerry are delighted with an extra day which given the nature of the current game could be invaluable in getting injured players on the pitch. Is it as important as a day in 6 v 7 possibly not but that's perception and speculation. Also why shouldnt the group winners be considered the same way. The whole thing could be avoided with 2 weeks between rounds but that would mean a significant loss to the association with the All Ireland final having to go back 2 weeks
Can't do that. Club season.
Yes I'm sure the impact would be devastating in the two counties it would impact.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 23, 2025, 06:09:57 PMQuote from: J70 on June 23, 2025, 05:45:48 PMQuote from: takeyourpoint on June 23, 2025, 05:42:15 PMApparently the bus driver was from Donegal
The McGuinness family do have a bus company... 🤫
Maybe it was even one of their buses in disguise!
That would not surprise me. Remember when McGuinness had a fella spying on the Kerry training ground, for all the good it did them that year. Desperate stuff.
Are you sure that wasn't just a man up a tree after his cat? Or Zaccheus the tax collector?
Right, anyone want to predict?
Monaghan v Donegal
Donegal by 1
Tyrone v Dublin
Dublin by 2
Meath v Galway
Galway by 2
Armagh v Kerry
Armagh by 1
Donegal by 4
Tyrone by 6
Galway by 8 (wishful thinking!)
Kerry by 3 (to cause a bit of an upset)
Monaghan v Donegal
Donegal by 5
Tyrone v Dublin
Dublin by 2
Meath v Galway
Galway by 3
Armagh v Kerry
Armagh by 1
Donegal don't do as well against teams with a 2 point threat. They defend so deep and leave that option open. Louth had no threat at the weekend.
Monaghan, on the other hand, do pose a threat outside the arc and have significant threats in tighter spaces closer to goal to cause donegal major problems.
Donegal will be running low on gas and if they've a slow start and need to start chasing the game then I've a feeling Monaghan could sneak it.
The thing about Kerry is they always have a big performance in them especially when its perceived that they have stuttered (which relatively speaking they havent this year) I remember in 09 they lost to Cork in Munster then beat Longford, Sligo and I think Limerick by a cumulative 5 points then stuffed a well fancied Dubs by 17 points or so on bank holiday Monday.
I get the vibe they have a big performance in them against a good but slightly shaky defensively Armagh team this weekend so I would have Kerry as favourites and wouldnt be surprised if they won with a little bit to spare.
Donegal for me are the best team in the country by a small margin because of the intensity of their defending they seem to pressure more than other teams inside the arc so I would fancy them to edge out Monaghan but i think it will be close. That said Monaghan do have some options from range that could trouble them.
Dublin and Tyrone have both been a bit Jekyll and Hyde for me this year but I expect Tyrone to come through unless O'Callaghan is fit and sharp
Galway v Meath could go either way and a lot will depend on the fitness of Walsh, Conroy etc. Very hard one to call
Monaghan I think could cause an upset. They will benefit from the extra week off...
Armagh by 3
Tyrone by 2
Monaghan by 1
Meath by 3
Three games in 3 weeks will leave Donegal vulnerable , but I'd imagine they'll fall over the line
Hard to know what Tyrone will show up. A fit COC would swing it Dublin's way
Galway are like a cat with 9 lives. They'll fluke their way through this one too, no doubt
Armagh are suspect at the back , but they'll just do enough at the other end. They won't do it the easy way though. They never do
Donegal statement tonight
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Utterly embarrassing stuff.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 10:22:04 PMUtterly embarrassing stuff.
It's very fair they've been shafted. And I'm no Donegal fan.
Cant say I disagree tbh
Any chance they will change Donegal to Sunday for a triple header?
What was the point of that statement?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 10:23:48 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 10:22:04 PMUtterly embarrassing stuff.
It's very fair they've been shafted. And I'm no Donegal fan.
How? Because They have to play 6 days after a game instead of 7? I haven't heard anyone explain why this makes a difference. Anyone saying an extra day's rest can save it. Teams will be training all week from tonight.
Quote from: APM on June 23, 2025, 10:27:29 PMWhat was the point of that statement?
The wagons aren't gonna circle themselves...
Quote from: APM on June 23, 2025, 10:27:29 PMWhat was the point of that statement?
It's so that should Donegal lose in this championship, it won't be because Jimmy demands his players to run constantly at full speed for 70 minutes, but instead because the GAA hierarchy won't give his teams suitable breaks between games to make his masterplan unbeatable.
He's already ruined football once. f**k him.
I'm confused. Is the issue that Donegal going through the preliminary round of Ulster had one of the longest routes in the competition? If so why leave it to now to complain?
Is it the 6 day turn around that they weren't vocal about last week when it didn't impact them?
Again Donegal had the chance to avoid this and didn't take it. No sympathy at all.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 10:33:03 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 10:23:48 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 10:22:04 PMUtterly embarrassing stuff.
It's very fair they've been shafted. And I'm no Donegal fan.
How? Because They have to play 6 days after a game instead of 7? I haven't heard anyone explain why this makes a difference. Anyone saying an extra day's rest can save it. Teams will be training all week from tonight.
Why give Kerry 2 days extra rest?
The optics are not good.
They've been on a long slog and extra days rest would mean a lot mentally more than anything.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 23, 2025, 10:41:13 PMQuote from: APM on June 23, 2025, 10:27:29 PMWhat was the point of that statement?
It's so that should Donegal lose in this championship, it won't be because Jimmy demands his players to run constantly at full speed for 70 minutes, but instead because the GAA hierarchy won't give his teams suitable breaks between games to make his masterplan unbeatable.
He's already ruined football once. f**k him.
This. Perfectly put.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 23, 2025, 10:21:40 PMDonegal statement tonight
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Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 10:48:28 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 10:33:03 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 10:23:48 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 10:22:04 PMUtterly embarrassing stuff.
It's very fair they've been shafted. And I'm no Donegal fan.
How? Because They have to play 6 days after a game instead of 7? I haven't heard anyone explain why this makes a difference. Anyone saying an extra day's rest can save it. Teams will be training all week from tonight.
Why give Kerry 2 days extra rest?
The optics are not good.
They've been on a long slog and extra days rest would mean a lot mentally more than anything.
Mentally it will make no difference, they wouldn't be chilled on the Saturday if they had an AI QF on Sunday. Physically it will probably make no difference either. If you haven't recovered after 6 days you are injured.
CahairOKane1
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Understand that all four preliminary quarter-final winners - Donegal, Galway, Dublin and Kerry - requested a Sunday fixture.
Came down to a 50/50 call between Donegal and Galway getting the extra day.
The fact Galway were away in Newry yesterday seems to have swung it.
Was it Donegal that denied giving Louth 15 mins?
Donegal by 3 or so, Monaghan have played very few Div 1 teams this year, it seems so strange to me that somehow Monaghan's victory over Down is credited as a great display yet Galway's very similar performance against Down is seen as a sign they aren't up to scratch, two teams being held to two very different standards. Monaghan are a good side but Donegal are just a few points better.
Tyrone will either win by a point or two or the Dubs will beat us comfortably. So hard to know which Tyrone will turn up. Our performances swing wildly, usually from round to round, we are easily the most inconsistent team left in the championship. Yet there's a quality squad of players there. Peader O'Cofaigh Byrne will probably be the key, MF is our weakest area and if he lords it out there Dublin will mace us.
Armagh Kerry is a coin toss, looks like it will be one of the classics. Armagh because of last years AI run and this years game against Dublin are now seasoned Croke Park preformers, that's a big, big advantage. Kerry have all the motivation but looks like the injuries might negate some of that potency. If I had to guess I'd say Armagh by a point.
Galway should beat Meath without too much fuss. I'd expect another performance like that against Down. Yes Galway will make some mistakes/errors but for the majority of the game they'll be in control of the outcome. I just think this QF has come a bit too early for Meath. Catching an injured Kerry cold in a round-robin is one thing but this is knock-out football now.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 10:33:03 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 10:23:48 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 10:22:04 PMUtterly embarrassing stuff.
It's very fair they've been shafted. And I'm no Donegal fan.
How? Because They have to play 6 days after a game instead of 7? I haven't heard anyone explain why this makes a difference. Anyone saying an extra day's rest can save it. Teams will be training all week from tonight.
Yeah, Jim should give them 1 night off. Let them go to the pool and get a good night's sleep. Best recovery there is.
Not an issue in my eyes. Dún na nGall will still turn up on Saturday.
Quote from: Mario on June 23, 2025, 10:51:32 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 10:48:28 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 10:33:03 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 10:23:48 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 10:22:04 PMUtterly embarrassing stuff.
It's very fair they've been shafted. And I'm no Donegal fan.
How? Because They have to play 6 days after a game instead of 7? I haven't heard anyone explain why this makes a difference. Anyone saying an extra day's rest can save it. Teams will be training all week from tonight.
Why give Kerry 2 days extra rest?
The optics are not good.
They've been on a long slog and extra days rest would mean a lot mentally more than anything.
Mentally it will make no difference, they wouldn't be chilled on the Saturday if they had an AI QF on Sunday. Physically it will probably make no difference either. If you haven't recovered after 6 days you are injured.
Why give Kerry 2 days extra rest?
The obvious thing to do was Armagh Kerry Dublin Tyrone double header on Saturday and both Donegal and Galway on the Sunday and it's fair for everyone.
I can totally understand Donegals grievances.
The rest of you can't see beyond county rivalries and the fact Mcguinness did a bit of giving out after the match in the Hyde.
Quote from: Mario on June 23, 2025, 10:51:32 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 10:48:28 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 10:33:03 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 10:23:48 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 10:22:04 PMUtterly embarrassing stuff.
It's very fair they've been shafted. And I'm no Donegal fan.
How? Because They have to play 6 days after a game instead of 7? I haven't heard anyone explain why this makes a difference. Anyone saying an extra day's rest can save it. Teams will be training all week from tonight.
Why give Kerry 2 days extra rest?
The optics are not good.
They've been on a long slog and extra days rest would mean a lot mentally more than anything.
Mentally it will make no difference, they wouldn't be chilled on the Saturday if they had an AI QF on Sunday. Physically it will probably make no difference either. If you haven't recovered after 6 days you are injured.
Yesterday was a stroll in the park for Donegal. Something wrong if they can't recover properly to play again 6 days later. Club players on occasion can play 2 games in 3 days without issue.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 23, 2025, 10:41:13 PMQuote from: APM on June 23, 2025, 10:27:29 PMWhat was the point of that statement?
It's so that should Donegal lose in this championship, it won't be because Jimmy demands his players to run constantly at full speed for 70 minutes, but instead because the GAA hierarchy won't give his teams suitable breaks between games to make his masterplan unbeatable.
He's already ruined football once. f**k him.
Lazy narrative.
Given Donegal's issues with Hyde Park, and I agreed with their point around that, however thought Jim laid it on a bit thick afterwards ... and now the 6 day turnaround statement, I'm starting to wonder is Jim trying to deflect from cracks in Donegal's armour, seems a poor attempt at a siege mentality. If that's what it's taking for Donegal before a Q/Final, you have to wonder if all is well.
Is Martin McHugh still a member of the CCCC?
Give me a main event rather than a double header any day. Donegal and Monaghan could've packed out Breffni on Sunday and there'd be no issue.
Let's be honest, if they'd put it as Sunday, Jim would still be whinging. Hopefully Monaghan resolve his fixture congestion on Saturday.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 23, 2025, 10:56:10 PMWas it Donegal that denied giving Louth 15 mins?
Touché 😆
The easy thing to do was play Kerry & Dublin games on Saturday (7 days rest) and then Galway & Donegal on Sunday (7 days rest)
But now Donegal have 6 days, Dublin & Galway 7 and Kerry 8
That blatantly is not fair or right
But the GAA don't do it simple.
The amount of fixture clashes between big hurling and football games on at the same time in the last few weeks beggars belief
My biased verdict
Armagh v Kerry.
I saw Kerry up close. They were without some players who they replaced with lads that either had all ire medals or provincial medals. Very few mentioned that Meath were without Costello best player this year and second highest scorer for Meath , Conlon motm v Dublin and second best player this year also 3rd highest scorer for us. Our first choice midfielder Flynn and our most influential player jones.
Kerry were flat Rafferty kept Clifford in his pocket for most of the game.
For that reason I can only see a Armagh Victory and tbh a comfortable one at that too.
Tyrone v Dublin.
Again saw dubs up close. But that game was probably more decided by the gale force wind than anything else and James Conlon been unmarkable . This is harder to call. I'll say at home dub will squeak it by a point or two. But could take extra time.
Monaghan v Donegal. I've seen Monaghan in league this year and I think it was Meaths worst performance of the league but Monaghan did what they had to do and did it extremely well. If Donegal play like they did in first half of Down game then Monaghan will win, however if they play as they did in second half then Donegal will prevail.
So I'll opt for Donegal by 3.
Meath v Galway.
Head and heart one this is. Always been a huge respect between both counties that I think goes back to the 60s , many might say mayo is their second team. Not in Meath it's their western neighbours Galway. Always liked their brand of football. We played a challenge match against each other before league almost full compliment for both teams , Galway won by 2 points . I think that was the springboard for Meath this year. It's probably 60/40 in favour of the tribesmen. But I do think there is one more big game in this Meath team. So many players out but Robbie has talked all year about next man up and boy have these kids really stood up. I hope it's not a step too far and I will go with heart and say Meath by the minimum 1 point.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 23, 2025, 11:02:46 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 23, 2025, 10:41:13 PMQuote from: APM on June 23, 2025, 10:27:29 PMWhat was the point of that statement?
It's so that should Donegal lose in this championship, it won't be because Jimmy demands his players to run constantly at full speed for 70 minutes, but instead because the GAA hierarchy won't give his teams suitable breaks between games to make his masterplan unbeatable.
He's already ruined football once. f**k him.
Lazy narrative.
I agree, it is a touch lazy.
But at same time. The competition format was known last year. The USFC draw was known 8 months ago. The fixture schedule for the closing stages was released 6 months ago. The new rules have been in place 5 months.
Complaining about these things is just childish. Complaining about them week in week out is nauseating.
Plus he ruined football before, so I will once again say f**k him.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 23, 2025, 11:36:47 PMMy biased verdict
Armagh v Kerry.
I saw Kerry up close. They were without some players who they replaced with lads that either had all ire medals or provincial medals. Very few mentioned that Meath were without Costello best player this year and second highest scorer for Meath , Conlon motm v Dublin and second best player this year also 3rd highest scorer for us. Our first choice midfielder Flynn and our most influential player jones.
Kerry were flat Rafferty kept Clifford in his pocket for most of the game.
For that reason I can only see a Armagh Victory and tbh a comfortable one at that too.
Tyrone v Dublin.
Again saw dubs up close. But that game was probably more decided by the gale force wind than anything else and James Conlon been unmarkable . This is harder to call. I'll say at home dub will squeak it by a point or two. But could take extra time.
Monaghan v Donegal. I've seen Monaghan in league this year and I think it was Meaths worst performance of the league but Monaghan did what they had to do and did it extremely well. If Donegal play like they did in first half of Down game then Monaghan will win, however if they play as they did in second half then Donegal will prevail.
So I'll opt for Donegal by 3.
Meath v Galway.
Head and heart one this is. Always been a huge respect between both counties that I think goes back to the 60s , many might say mayo is their second team. Not in Meath it's their western neighbours Galway. Always liked their brand of football. We played a challenge match against each other before league almost full compliment for both teams , Galway won by 2 points . I think that was the springboard for Meath this year. It's probably 60/40 in favour of the tribesmen. But I do think there is one more big game in this Meath team. So many players out but Robbie has talked all year about next man up and boy have these kids really stood up. I hope it's not a step too far and I will go with heart and say Meath by the minimum 1 point.
Mayo most people's second team?
Maybe pre 2017 vast majority of neutrals have lost faith and respect in them since that final in 2021.
Here if they beat Tyrone finishing top would saved him a game. Alot of teams like to be in their position, but all he can do is cry about it.
Quote from: Mikhailov on June 23, 2025, 11:36:14 PMThe easy thing to do was play Kerry & Dublin games on Saturday (7 days rest) and then Galway & Donegal on Sunday (7 days rest)
But now Donegal have 6 days, Dublin & Galway 7 and Kerry 8
That blatantly is not fair or right
But the GAA don't do it simple.
The amount of fixture clashes between big hurling and football games on at the same time in the last few weeks beggars belief
They aren't playing each other. How is it not fair or right? There was no outcry for Down or Cavan last week when their direct opponents were benefiting. That's the way the calendar has been set for quite some time. If you didn't want to run the risk of it happening then win your group. Simple as.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 10:22:04 PMUtterly embarrassing stuff.
Why?
Seems utterly fair comment to me.
Quote from: Mikhailov on June 23, 2025, 11:36:14 PMThe easy thing to do was play Kerry & Dublin games on Saturday (7 days rest) and then Galway & Donegal on Sunday (7 days rest)
But now Donegal have 6 days, Dublin & Galway 7 and Kerry 8
That blatantly is not fair or right
But the GAA don't do it simple.
The amount of fixture clashes between big hurling and football games on at the same time in the last few weeks beggars belief
Totally agree with this. Is as if people don't follow both codes. They're both Gaelic Games. It's become infuriating. Also big underage games on at same time as major games in other code.
Usually go to both All Ireland hurling semi-finals, waiting patiently (impatiently!) to see when All Ireland minor football final is fixed for. No doubt 100 miles away around same time as the hurling semi-final in Croke Park.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 23, 2025, 10:56:10 PMWas it Donegal that denied giving Louth 15 mins?
No, it wasn't.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 11:00:04 PMQuote from: Mario on June 23, 2025, 10:51:32 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 10:48:28 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 10:33:03 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 10:23:48 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 10:22:04 PMUtterly embarrassing stuff.
It's very fair they've been shafted. And I'm no Donegal fan.
How? Because They have to play 6 days after a game instead of 7? I haven't heard anyone explain why this makes a difference. Anyone saying an extra day's rest can save it. Teams will be training all week from tonight.
Why give Kerry 2 days extra rest?
The optics are not good.
They've been on a long slog and extra days rest would mean a lot mentally more than anything.
Mentally it will make no difference, they wouldn't be chilled on the Saturday if they had an AI QF on Sunday. Physically it will probably make no difference either. If you haven't recovered after 6 days you are injured.
Why give Kerry 2 days extra rest?
The obvious thing to do was Armagh Kerry Dublin Tyrone double header on Saturday and both Donegal and Galway on the Sunday and it's fair for everyone.
I can totally understand Donegals grievances.
The rest of you can't see beyond county rivalries and the fact Mcguinness did a bit of giving out after the match in the Hyde.
That's about the height of it.
Quote from: SaffronSports on June 23, 2025, 11:13:24 PMLet's be honest, if they'd put it as Sunday, Jim would still be whinging. Hopefully Monaghan resolve his fixture congestion on Saturday.
Why would he be whinging about a Sunday fixture?
They're right about this, and they were right to complain about Hyde Park.
It's funny how the GAA had no problem with Offaly GAA hosting Meath v Kerry while their footballers were togging out in Newbridge, but there apparently wasn't a steward to be had for any of the Ulster grounds because those counties were playing. I guess most of the Offaly lads are hurling snobs.
Quote from: Sportacus on June 23, 2025, 11:10:50 PMGive me a main event rather than a double header any day. Donegal and Monaghan could've packed out Breffni on Sunday and there'd be no issue.
I agree. No need for these games to be at Croke Park. Play them as separate main events in regional grounds. Clones would be heaving with Dubs on a Saturday afternoon, Portlaoise would get a great boost with 18k plus turning up.
Saturday: Tyrone v Dublin - Clones@ 4pm
Armagh v Kerry - Portlaoise @ 6.15pm
Sunday: Donegal v Monaghan - Cavan / Omagh / Armagh @ 2pm
Meath v Galway - Tullamore @ 4.15pm
I doubt any of these would sell out, with the possible exception of Armagh v Kerry, and even then it would be highly unlikely as much of the bandwagon Armagh support only turn up in Clones or Croke Park.
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2025, 01:06:08 AMQuote from: SaffronSports on June 23, 2025, 11:13:24 PMLet's be honest, if they'd put it as Sunday, Jim would still be whinging. Hopefully Monaghan resolve his fixture congestion on Saturday.
Why would he be whinging about a Sunday fixture?
They're right about this, and they were right to complain about Hyde Park.
It's funny how the GAA had no problem with Offaly GAA hosting Meath v Kerry while their footballers were togging out in Newbridge, but there apparently wasn't a steward to be had for any of the Ulster grounds because those counties were playing. I guess most of the Offaly lads are hurling snobs.
No, but Offaly were not playing in the All Ireland championship.
Well they fooled me. I figured that Dublin & Kerry would play Saturday so that all four teams would have an equal 7 days rest. It was the only sensible way to determine when each played. Also the most fair way. Who is in charge of scheduling, RTE or the GAA?
I'm more puzzled by Donegal not being drawn against Meath. Donegal have already played Armagh, Tyrone and Monaghan. This makes no sense to me at all. Were the GAA that afraid of an all Ulster Semi Final?
Seriously does this organisation actually have any rules or do they just make things up on the spur of the moment? Donald Trump for GAA President!
Quote from: EoinW on June 24, 2025, 03:35:15 AMWell they fooled me. I figured that Dublin & Kerry would play Saturday so that all four teams would have an equal 7 days rest. It was the only sensible way to determine when each played. Also the most fair way. Who is in charge of scheduling, RTE or the GAA?
I'm more puzzled by Donegal not being drawn against Meath. Donegal have already played Armagh, Tyrone and Monaghan. This makes no sense to me at all. Were the GAA that afraid of an all Ulster Semi Final?
Seriously does this organisation actually have any rules or do they just make things up on the spur of the moment? Donald Trump for GAA President!
There are rules alright. And they have been stuck to. Both in terms of who can play who and when. Whatever the complaint is, it can't legitimately be the absence or non-application of the rules.
Quote from: EoinW on June 24, 2025, 03:35:15 AMWell they fooled me. I figured that Dublin & Kerry would play Saturday so that all four teams would have an equal 7 days rest. It was the only sensible way to determine when each played. Also the most fair way. Who is in charge of scheduling, RTE or the GAA?
I'm more puzzled by Donegal not being drawn against Meath. Donegal have already played Armagh, Tyrone and Monaghan. This makes no sense to me at all. Were the GAA that afraid of an all Ulster Semi Final?
Seriously does this organisation actually have any rules or do they just make things up on the spur of the moment? Donald Trump for GAA President!
Donegal did not play Monaghan in a provincial final, therefore were eligible to be drawn.
Donegal will no longer be using
Las Vegas in the hills of Donegal as their song.
Jim has changed it to this
https://youtube.com/shorts/ul7X0NVAHkQ?si=oLpuFGi7LE6I5eeU
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2025, 01:06:08 AMQuote from: SaffronSports on June 23, 2025, 11:13:24 PMLet's be honest, if they'd put it as Sunday, Jim would still be whinging. Hopefully Monaghan resolve his fixture congestion on Saturday.
Why would he be whinging about a Sunday fixture?
They're right about this, and they were right to complain about Hyde Park.
It's funny how the GAA had no problem with Offaly GAA hosting Meath v Kerry while their footballers were togging out in Newbridge, but there apparently wasn't a steward to be had for any of the Ulster grounds because those counties were playing. I guess most of the Offaly lads are hurling snobs.
Now you are climbing aboard the conspiracy wagon, ´they're out to get us´, why this? why that? without rational approach.
With Donegal GAA airing their grievances this could work to Monaghan's benefit with the Donegal players being provided with a host of ready made excuses for not performing up to standard on the day.
I'm old enough to remember when coming through the prelimaries was seen as a benefit because it "kept momentum going/built up a head of steam" and that your QF opponent had been sitting cold for 2 weeks.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 11:41:29 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 23, 2025, 11:36:47 PMMy biased verdict
Armagh v Kerry.
I saw Kerry up close. They were without some players who they replaced with lads that either had all ire medals or provincial medals. Very few mentioned that Meath were without Costello best player this year and second highest scorer for Meath , Conlon motm v Dublin and second best player this year also 3rd highest scorer for us. Our first choice midfielder Flynn and our most influential player jones.
Kerry were flat Rafferty kept Clifford in his pocket for most of the game.
For that reason I can only see a Armagh Victory and tbh a comfortable one at that too.
Tyrone v Dublin.
Again saw dubs up close. But that game was probably more decided by the gale force wind than anything else and James Conlon been unmarkable . This is harder to call. I'll say at home dub will squeak it by a point or two. But could take extra time.
Monaghan v Donegal. I've seen Monaghan in league this year and I think it was Meaths worst performance of the league but Monaghan did what they had to do and did it extremely well. If Donegal play like they did in first half of Down game then Monaghan will win, however if they play as they did in second half then Donegal will prevail.
So I'll opt for Donegal by 3.
Meath v Galway.
Head and heart one this is. Always been a huge respect between both counties that I think goes back to the 60s , many might say mayo is their second team. Not in Meath it's their western neighbours Galway. Always liked their brand of football. We played a challenge match against each other before league almost full compliment for both teams , Galway won by 2 points . I think that was the springboard for Meath this year. It's probably 60/40 in favour of the tribesmen. But I do think there is one more big game in this Meath team. So many players out but Robbie has talked all year about next man up and boy have these kids really stood up. I hope it's not a step too far and I will go with heart and say Meath by the minimum 1 point.
Mayo most people's second team?
Maybe pre 2017 vast majority of neutrals have lost faith and respect in them since that final in 2021.
I get that but still few would begrudge them a all ire
I am up and down on McGuiness. Sometimes I think he is justified in his "rants" sometimes not. This falls into the former. Assuming it is him behind the donegal statement,
If they'd made the statement without his involvement he'd have resigned, even if he did agree with it, control freak
Quote from: tiempo on June 24, 2025, 08:39:02 AMIf they'd made the statement without his involvement he'd have resigned, even if he did agree with it, control freak
I think Jim's getting a bit boring now. Complaining about everything - after every game.
If it's not the distance they travel, it's the waffle of an extra day. Getting tiresome now.
But good way to built a mentality in the squad. Everyone, including GAA HQ, is against us.
#jimmymourinho
Quote from: Main Street on June 24, 2025, 07:37:07 AMQuote from: J70 on June 24, 2025, 01:06:08 AMQuote from: SaffronSports on June 23, 2025, 11:13:24 PMLet's be honest, if they'd put it as Sunday, Jim would still be whinging. Hopefully Monaghan resolve his fixture congestion on Saturday.
Why would he be whinging about a Sunday fixture?
They're right about this, and they were right to complain about Hyde Park.
It's funny how the GAA had no problem with Offaly GAA hosting Meath v Kerry while their footballers were togging out in Newbridge, but there apparently wasn't a steward to be had for any of the Ulster grounds because those counties were playing. I guess most of the Offaly lads are hurling snobs.
Now you are climbing aboard the conspiracy wagon, ´they're out to get us´, why this? why that? without rational approach.
With Donegal GAA airing their grievances this could work to Monaghan's benefit with the Donegal players being provided with a host of ready made excuses for not performing up to standard on the day.
Maybe, but someone has to push back a bit on the anti-Jim hysteria on this board. FFS we're now at the point where numerous lads are believing that he is so driven and bereft of decency that he would deny Louth a 15 minute delay!
All you have to do is look at the Kevin Cassidy and Declan Bogue thing. He does the everyone is out to get us thing and it is not new. There's nothing new in how he is conducting himself.
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2025, 09:18:56 AMQuote from: Main Street on June 24, 2025, 07:37:07 AMQuote from: J70 on June 24, 2025, 01:06:08 AMQuote from: SaffronSports on June 23, 2025, 11:13:24 PMLet's be honest, if they'd put it as Sunday, Jim would still be whinging. Hopefully Monaghan resolve his fixture congestion on Saturday.
Why would he be whinging about a Sunday fixture?
They're right about this, and they were right to complain about Hyde Park.
It's funny how the GAA had no problem with Offaly GAA hosting Meath v Kerry while their footballers were togging out in Newbridge, but there apparently wasn't a steward to be had for any of the Ulster grounds because those counties were playing. I guess most of the Offaly lads are hurling snobs.
Now you are climbing aboard the conspiracy wagon, ´they're out to get us´, why this? why that? without rational approach.
With Donegal GAA airing their grievances this could work to Monaghan's benefit with the Donegal players being provided with a host of ready made excuses for not performing up to standard on the day.
Maybe, but someone has to push back a bit on the anti-Jim hysteria on this board. FFS we're now at the point where numerous lads are believing that he is so driven and bereft of decency that he would deny Louth a 15 minute delay!
"It was human error in terms of navigation," Brennan said, content enough that it had no negative impact on his side's performance.
They had requested a 15-minute delay but that was turned down. Louth arrived in MacCumhaill Park around 3.15pm, 45 minutes before throw-in.
https://archive.ph/yQSzO Another article this time from the Irish News quoting that the Louth request was turned down.
3 separate articles confirming request was turned down. Maybe Jimmy isnt as nice as you want the world to believe.
If the articles are wrong then given that Jimmy complains about every little detail you think he would be setting the record straight on this one.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 24, 2025, 09:39:16 AMQuote from: J70 on June 24, 2025, 09:18:56 AMQuote from: Main Street on June 24, 2025, 07:37:07 AMQuote from: J70 on June 24, 2025, 01:06:08 AMQuote from: SaffronSports on June 23, 2025, 11:13:24 PMLet's be honest, if they'd put it as Sunday, Jim would still be whinging. Hopefully Monaghan resolve his fixture congestion on Saturday.
Why would he be whinging about a Sunday fixture?
They're right about this, and they were right to complain about Hyde Park.
It's funny how the GAA had no problem with Offaly GAA hosting Meath v Kerry while their footballers were togging out in Newbridge, but there apparently wasn't a steward to be had for any of the Ulster grounds because those counties were playing. I guess most of the Offaly lads are hurling snobs.
Now you are climbing aboard the conspiracy wagon, ´they're out to get us´, why this? why that? without rational approach.
With Donegal GAA airing their grievances this could work to Monaghan's benefit with the Donegal players being provided with a host of ready made excuses for not performing up to standard on the day.
Maybe, but someone has to push back a bit on the anti-Jim hysteria on this board. FFS we're now at the point where numerous lads are believing that he is so driven and bereft of decency that he would deny Louth a 15 minute delay!
"It was human error in terms of navigation," Brennan said, content enough that it had no negative impact on his side's performance. They had requested a 15-minute delay but that was turned down. Louth arrived in MacCumhaill Park around 3.15pm, 45 minutes before throw-in.
https://archive.ph/yQSzO Another article this time from the Irish News quoting that the Louth request was turned down.
3 separate articles confirming request was turned down. Maybe Jimmy isnt as nice as you want the world to believe.
If the articles are wrong then given that Jimmy complains about every little detail you think he would be setting the record straight on this one.
One can't expect lads to know what to do if a game starts at 415 instead of 4, and besides, Donegals scientifically calculated pre-match meal was due to explode on the pitch at 4pm, the later finish would have eaten into recovery time which is borderline abusive towards the poor people of Donegal
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 24, 2025, 09:22:23 AMAll you have to do is look at the Kevin Cassidy and Declan Bogue thing. He does the everyone is out to get us thing and it is not new. There's nothing new in how he is conducting himself.
Bogue and Cassidy both hard done by, the continued anthesis towards Bogue really beggars belief
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 11:00:04 PMQuote from: Mario on June 23, 2025, 10:51:32 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 10:48:28 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 10:33:03 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 10:23:48 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 10:22:04 PMUtterly embarrassing stuff.
It's very fair they've been shafted. And I'm no Donegal fan.
How? Because They have to play 6 days after a game instead of 7? I haven't heard anyone explain why this makes a difference. Anyone saying an extra day's rest can save it. Teams will be training all week from tonight.
Why give Kerry 2 days extra rest?
The optics are not good.
They've been on a long slog and extra days rest would mean a lot mentally more than anything.
Mentally it will make no difference, they wouldn't be chilled on the Saturday if they had an AI QF on Sunday. Physically it will probably make no difference either. If you haven't recovered after 6 days you are injured.
Why give Kerry 2 days extra rest?
The obvious thing to do was Armagh Kerry Dublin Tyrone double header on Saturday and both Donegal and Galway on the Sunday and it's fair for everyone.
I can totally understand Donegals grievances.
The rest of you can't see beyond county rivalries and the fact Mcguinness did a bit of giving out after the match in the Hyde.
Donegal do have a point, but they were probaly the first team back training last winter. Then went to Portugal in early December.
Paddy McBrearty as a Minor featured with Donegal seniors on the same day.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 24, 2025, 09:39:16 AMQuote from: J70 on June 24, 2025, 09:18:56 AMQuote from: Main Street on June 24, 2025, 07:37:07 AMQuote from: J70 on June 24, 2025, 01:06:08 AMQuote from: SaffronSports on June 23, 2025, 11:13:24 PMLet's be honest, if they'd put it as Sunday, Jim would still be whinging. Hopefully Monaghan resolve his fixture congestion on Saturday.
Why would he be whinging about a Sunday fixture?
They're right about this, and they were right to complain about Hyde Park.
It's funny how the GAA had no problem with Offaly GAA hosting Meath v Kerry while their footballers were togging out in Newbridge, but there apparently wasn't a steward to be had for any of the Ulster grounds because those counties were playing. I guess most of the Offaly lads are hurling snobs.
Now you are climbing aboard the conspiracy wagon, ´they're out to get us´, why this? why that? without rational approach.
With Donegal GAA airing their grievances this could work to Monaghan's benefit with the Donegal players being provided with a host of ready made excuses for not performing up to standard on the day.
Maybe, but someone has to push back a bit on the anti-Jim hysteria on this board. FFS we're now at the point where numerous lads are believing that he is so driven and bereft of decency that he would deny Louth a 15 minute delay!
"It was human error in terms of navigation," Brennan said, content enough that it had no negative impact on his side's performance. They had requested a 15-minute delay but that was turned down. Louth arrived in MacCumhaill Park around 3.15pm, 45 minutes before throw-in.
https://archive.ph/yQSzO Another article this time from the Irish News quoting that the Louth request was turned down.
3 separate articles confirming request was turned down. Maybe Jimmy isnt as nice as you want the world to believe.
If the articles are wrong then given that Jimmy complains about every little detail you think he would be setting the record straight on this one.
And what about the article posted yesterday where Brennan was quoted saying the delay was there if needed (if I remember correctly, it was immediately following the words quoted above).
Is there something on the record saying the delay was requested but turned down by McGuinness and Donegal?
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 24, 2025, 09:46:40 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 11:00:04 PMQuote from: Mario on June 23, 2025, 10:51:32 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 10:48:28 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 10:33:03 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 23, 2025, 10:23:48 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 23, 2025, 10:22:04 PMUtterly embarrassing stuff.
It's very fair they've been shafted. And I'm no Donegal fan.
How? Because They have to play 6 days after a game instead of 7? I haven't heard anyone explain why this makes a difference. Anyone saying an extra day's rest can save it. Teams will be training all week from tonight.
Why give Kerry 2 days extra rest?
The optics are not good.
They've been on a long slog and extra days rest would mean a lot mentally more than anything.
Mentally it will make no difference, they wouldn't be chilled on the Saturday if they had an AI QF on Sunday. Physically it will probably make no difference either. If you haven't recovered after 6 days you are injured.
Why give Kerry 2 days extra rest?
The obvious thing to do was Armagh Kerry Dublin Tyrone double header on Saturday and both Donegal and Galway on the Sunday and it's fair for everyone.
I can totally understand Donegals grievances.
The rest of you can't see beyond county rivalries and the fact Mcguinness did a bit of giving out after the match in the Hyde.
Donegal do have a point, but they were probaly the first team back training last winter. Then went to Portugal in early December.
Paddy McBrearty as a Minor featured with Donegal seniors on the same day.
Of course they have a point and they probably had a point about the Mayo match in The Hyde! But this is perhaps the fifth intervention:
Don't want the Ulster Final in Croke Park: or the Mayo match for that matter; cross about the Hyde being used for Mayo match: too many matches causing injuries; and now this!
I accept that the first few were possibly in response to questions from the media but while this might get a bit of a siege mentality going he's actually doing every other county a favour by taking the spotlight off them. Will he be annoying his own players also with this stuff?
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2025, 09:50:47 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on June 24, 2025, 09:39:16 AMQuote from: J70 on June 24, 2025, 09:18:56 AMQuote from: Main Street on June 24, 2025, 07:37:07 AMQuote from: J70 on June 24, 2025, 01:06:08 AMQuote from: SaffronSports on June 23, 2025, 11:13:24 PMLet's be honest, if they'd put it as Sunday, Jim would still be whinging. Hopefully Monaghan resolve his fixture congestion on Saturday.
Colm Parkinson tweeted that Louth never requsted a 15 minute delay.
And he likes a dig at Donegal.
Why would he be whinging about a Sunday fixture?
They're right about this, and they were right to complain about Hyde Park.
It's funny how the GAA had no problem with Offaly GAA hosting Meath v Kerry while their footballers were togging out in Newbridge, but there apparently wasn't a steward to be had for any of the Ulster grounds because those counties were playing. I guess most of the Offaly lads are hurling snobs.
Now you are climbing aboard the conspiracy wagon, ´they're out to get us´, why this? why that? without rational approach.
With Donegal GAA airing their grievances this could work to Monaghan's benefit with the Donegal players being provided with a host of ready made excuses for not performing up to standard on the day.
Maybe, but someone has to push back a bit on the anti-Jim hysteria on this board. FFS we're now at the point where numerous lads are believing that he is so driven and bereft of decency that he would deny Louth a 15 minute delay!
"It was human error in terms of navigation," Brennan said, content enough that it had no negative impact on his side's performance. They had requested a 15-minute delay but that was turned down. Louth arrived in MacCumhaill Park around 3.15pm, 45 minutes before throw-in.
https://archive.ph/yQSzO Another article this time from the Irish News quoting that the Louth request was turned down.
3 separate articles confirming request was turned down. Maybe Jimmy isnt as nice as you want the world to believe.
If the articles are wrong then given that Jimmy complains about every little detail you think he would be setting the record straight on this one.
And what about the article posted yesterday where Brennan was quoted saying the delay was there if needed (if I remember correctly, it was immediately following the words quoted above).
Is there something on the record saying the delay was requested but turned down by McGuinness and Donegal?
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2025, 09:50:47 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on June 24, 2025, 09:39:16 AMQuote from: J70 on June 24, 2025, 09:18:56 AMQuote from: Main Street on June 24, 2025, 07:37:07 AMQuote from: J70 on June 24, 2025, 01:06:08 AMQuote from: SaffronSports on June 23, 2025, 11:13:24 PMLet's be honest, if they'd put it as Sunday, Jim would still be whinging. Hopefully Monaghan resolve his fixture congestion on Saturday.
Why would he be whinging about a Sunday fixture?
They're right about this, and they were right to complain about Hyde Park.
It's funny how the GAA had no problem with Offaly GAA hosting Meath v Kerry while their footballers were togging out in Newbridge, but there apparently wasn't a steward to be had for any of the Ulster grounds because those counties were playing. I guess most of the Offaly lads are hurling snobs.
Now you are climbing aboard the conspiracy wagon, ´they're out to get us´, why this? why that? without rational approach.
With Donegal GAA airing their grievances this could work to Monaghan's benefit with the Donegal players being provided with a host of ready made excuses for not performing up to standard on the day.
Maybe, but someone has to push back a bit on the anti-Jim hysteria on this board. FFS we're now at the point where numerous lads are believing that he is so driven and bereft of decency that he would deny Louth a 15 minute delay!
"It was human error in terms of navigation," Brennan said, content enough that it had no negative impact on his side's performance. They had requested a 15-minute delay but that was turned down. Louth arrived in MacCumhaill Park around 3.15pm, 45 minutes before throw-in.
https://archive.ph/yQSzO Another article this time from the Irish News quoting that the Louth request was turned down.
3 separate articles confirming request was turned down. Maybe Jimmy isnt as nice as you want the world to believe.
If the articles are wrong then given that Jimmy complains about every little detail you think he would be setting the record straight on this one.
And what about the article posted yesterday where Brennan was quoted saying the delay was there if needed (if I remember correctly, it was immediately following the words quoted above).
Is there something on the record saying the delay was requested but turned down by McGuinness and Donegal?
That same article also said the request was turned down which contradicted brennan statement.
2 articles confirming request was turned down. There was 1 article which both said request was rejected but also said it was available if needed.
Yet Brennan's is the only actual on-the-record statement and it contradicts that (a) the request was turned down and (b) it was turned down by or because of McGuinness and Donegal.
Tickets out at 1 today, wonder will they release all or try to sell the shite ones first
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 24, 2025, 10:16:02 AMTickets out at 1 today, wonder will they release all or try to sell the shite ones first
Prices released anywhere yet?
Quote from: SaffronSports on June 24, 2025, 10:22:25 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 24, 2025, 10:16:02 AMTickets out at 1 today, wonder will they release all or try to sell the shite ones first
Prices released anywhere yet?
Not seen anything, season tickets were out this morning.
45 euro
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 24, 2025, 10:16:02 AMTickets out at 1 today, wonder will they release all or try to sell the shite ones first
I find that often the first batch that come on stream are the crappier seats & better ones become available as the week goes on.
Pretty annoying.
May be hard to get a decent Lower Hogan seat for Sunday I'd say.
I'm getting ahead of myself here but for the semi-finals I'd imagine the Dubs will get a Sunday? Are there pairings that can't happen for the semis?
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 24, 2025, 11:21:35 AMI'm getting ahead of myself here but for the semi-finals I'd imagine the Dubs will get a Sunday? Are there pairings that can't happen for the semis?
All previous meetings to be avoided for semis where possible, but if Armagh, Galway and Donegal all win we'll have already played all 3 semi finalists.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 24, 2025, 11:21:35 AMI'm getting ahead of myself here but for the semi-finals I'd imagine the Dubs will get a Sunday? Are there pairings that can't happen for the semis?
I think you are getting way ahead of yourself!
I think they try to avoid repeat pairings, if possible.
Last year there was no draw as Armagh had already played Galway and Donegal, who hadn't met each other, so Armagh automatically got Kerry.
I'm a neutral as I'm on Tailteann Cup duty so just wondering what bonus game I'll get! 8)
Meath v Dublin no doubt.....
Repeat pairings should only be avoided in the next round. For example, no provincial pairings in the group stage. After that, you can draw anyone
It's bloody nonsense all this avoiding lark
I really have a feeling Meath could beat Galway. I know Galway are better but they have had to dig deep a fair bit over the last few weeks.
If Ethan Rafferty ties up Walsh like he did Clifford then that's a massive boost. They also have big mobile men around the middle and can let rip from distance.
In the others I think the Dubs and Donegal will come through and Armagh will put Kerry out. I'm basing it off vibes but I could see Armagh by 5+ v Kerry.
This weekend is going to be brilliant.
Anyone having trouble buying tickets?
I was in the queue & got in after about ten mins, but getting a message saying the interactive seat map could not be loaded. Not working at all.
Can't even get logged in whatever is wrong with Ticketmaster.
Got sorted but the process is shite
Ticket Master was a disaster this morning, (even for the Season Ticket Holders), spent 45 in total trying to secure tickets. Seats wouldn't load then when you got to seats and picked them they were taken. Finally got sorted but the system is a shambles. Keep going in and trying you will eventually get there!
Got in but nothing in lower Hogan or Cusack available.
Upper Hogan 733 about the best that's there at the minute
I bought Upper Cusack. 708 maybe so in line with the 20 roughly.
I'd promised my daughter months ago that I'd try to get tickets for one of the double headers. She was looking to see David Clifford regardless so just so happens she'll also get to see Rian O'Neill and Shane Walsh all being well so should be a good experience for her.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 24, 2025, 06:59:10 AMQuote from: EoinW on June 24, 2025, 03:35:15 AMWell they fooled me. I figured that Dublin & Kerry would play Saturday so that all four teams would have an equal 7 days rest. It was the only sensible way to determine when each played. Also the most fair way. Who is in charge of scheduling, RTE or the GAA?
I'm more puzzled by Donegal not being drawn against Meath. Donegal have already played Armagh, Tyrone and Monaghan. This makes no sense to me at all. Were the GAA that afraid of an all Ulster Semi Final?
Seriously does this organisation actually have any rules or do they just make things up on the spur of the moment? Donald Trump for GAA President!
Donegal did not play Monaghan in a provincial final, therefore were eligible to be drawn.
Thank you for that clarification. I assumed it would apply for ANY championship match.
BTW why doesn't it apply for any championship match? The logic of avoiding repeat matches is sound. But why cut it off at the provincial finals?
Quote from: EoinW on June 24, 2025, 02:09:18 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 24, 2025, 06:59:10 AMQuote from: EoinW on June 24, 2025, 03:35:15 AMWell they fooled me. I figured that Dublin & Kerry would play Saturday so that all four teams would have an equal 7 days rest. It was the only sensible way to determine when each played. Also the most fair way. Who is in charge of scheduling, RTE or the GAA?
I'm more puzzled by Donegal not being drawn against Meath. Donegal have already played Armagh, Tyrone and Monaghan. This makes no sense to me at all. Were the GAA that afraid of an all Ulster Semi Final?
Seriously does this organisation actually have any rules or do they just make things up on the spur of the moment? Donald Trump for GAA President!
Donegal did not play Monaghan in a provincial final, therefore were eligible to be drawn.
Thank you for that clarification. I assumed it would apply for ANY championship match.
BTW why doesn't it apply for any championship match? The logic of avoiding repeat matches is sound. But why cut it off at the provincial finals?
Strangely for the semi's it is any championship match. So if Armagh and Tyrone both go through they'll be kept apart. (If possible)
Is map of Croker not loading on Ticketmaster for others?
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 24, 2025, 11:55:06 AMI really have a feeling Meath could beat Galway. I know Galway are better but they have had to dig deep a fair bit over the last few weeks.
If Ethan Rafferty ties up Walsh like he did Clifford then that's a massive boost. They also have big mobile men around the middle and can let rip from distance.
In the others I think the Dubs and Donegal will come through and Armagh will put Kerry out. I'm basing it off vibes but I could see Armagh by 5+ v Kerry.
This weekend is going to be brilliant.
ì think Tyrone will come through. Galway have more than one forward. Maybe the fatigue will tell, if not it promises to be an excellent match and may the best team win.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on June 24, 2025, 02:12:30 PMIs map of Croker not loading on Ticketmaster for others?
Same here and heard of more.
CrokePark.ie expected attendances this weekend. Saturday 65,000 and Sunday 55,000
had the same issue with ticketmaster and the map.... so frustrating! eventually they emailed me a different link and got through straight away!!
Fcuk Ticketmaster. I inadvertently bought tickets for both days. If anyone needs 4 tickets for Saturday let me know.
Quote from: SaffronSports on June 24, 2025, 01:56:48 PMI bought Upper Cusack. 708 maybe so in line with the 20 roughly.
I'd promised my daughter months ago that I'd try to get tickets for one of the double headers. She was looking to see David Clifford regardless so just so happens she'll also get to see Rian O'Neill and Shane Walsh all being well so should be a good experience for her.
Was that a juvenile ticket on ticketmaster?
Only juvenile I spotted were 701 or 713
Quote from: galwayman on June 24, 2025, 01:15:30 PMAnyone having trouble buying tickets?
I was in the queue & got in after about ten mins, but getting a message saying the interactive seat map could not be loaded. Not working at all.
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Been an absolute nightmare to get tickets. Thankfully eventually got them.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 24, 2025, 03:09:28 PMCrokePark.ie expected attendances this weekend. Saturday 65,000 and Sunday 55,000
Unless there's serious returns from season ticket holders (can't see it), the Sunday game will blast way past 55k. There's not that much left on Ticketmaster currently.
The ticket maps for both games are nearly identical actually, and the Saturday game went on sale 2 hours earlier which suggests the Sunday is actually selling slightly better
Who will the counties be cheering for in the other games?
I expect Kerry and Armagh fans will be slightly favouring Meath as they're underdogs v Galway.
That was stressful getting the tickets. Bringing the whole crew and could only get upper cusack. Going to be fun. Let's every royal pray that Ethan rafferty is wrapped in cotton wool before been unleashed on Sunday. That Matthew Costello is back to full strength, that kinsella and duke have been popping balls over from outside arc all week. Amen
Quote from: blanketattack on June 24, 2025, 03:53:50 PMQuote from: SaffronSports on June 24, 2025, 01:56:48 PMI bought Upper Cusack. 708 maybe so in line with the 20 roughly.
I'd promised my daughter months ago that I'd try to get tickets for one of the double headers. She was looking to see David Clifford regardless so just so happens she'll also get to see Rian O'Neill and Shane Walsh all being well so should be a good experience for her.
Was that a juvenile ticket on ticketmaster?
Only juvenile I spotted were 701 or 713
Aye 2 adult and a juvenile.
Quote from: blanketattack on June 24, 2025, 03:53:50 PMQuote from: SaffronSports on June 24, 2025, 01:56:48 PMI bought Upper Cusack. 708 maybe so in line with the 20 roughly.
I'd promised my daughter months ago that I'd try to get tickets for one of the double headers. She was looking to see David Clifford regardless so just so happens she'll also get to see Rian O'Neill and Shane Walsh all being well so should be a good experience for her.
Was that a juvenile ticket on ticketmaster?
Only juvenile I spotted were 701 or 713
Same there now. I went for 2 full price ones to get a decent seat on Sunday but had to pick 3 or 4 times to get them. Tickets seem to be going fast.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 24, 2025, 04:35:48 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 24, 2025, 03:09:28 PMCrokePark.ie expected attendances this weekend. Saturday 65,000 and Sunday 55,000
Unless there's serious returns from season ticket holders (can't see it), the Sunday game will blast way past 55k. There's not that much left on Ticketmaster currently.
The ticket maps for both games are nearly identical actually, and the Saturday game went on sale 2 hours earlier which suggests the Sunday is actually selling slightly better
Crokepark.ie have since updated their expected attendances. Now it's Saturday 70,000 and Sunday 65,000. I guess we'll see this weekend how close they are to such expectations.
For the record Double header Quarter finals attendances the last two years.
2024
Saturday 49,896 Dublin v Galway and Armagh v Roscommon
Sunday 47,406 Donegal v Louth and Kerry v Derry
2023
Saturday 57,570 Armagh v Monaghan and Kerry v Tyrone
Sunday 82,300 for Mayo v Dublin and Derry v Cork
Both could be a sell out at this stage
Amazing amount sold in 1 day!!
Meanwhile Cork v Dublin hurley stuff has no tickets left on ticketmaster.
Still selling lower decks for Tipp v Kilkenny.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 24, 2025, 07:02:07 PMAmazing amount sold in 1 day!!
Meanwhile Cork v Dublin hurley stuff has no tickets left on ticketmaster.
Still selling lower decks for Tipp v Kilkenny.
less than 7 hours. It's unreal. Meath will be empty by looks of it.
Is there an Ethan Rafferty playing for Meath?
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 24, 2025, 07:30:54 PMIs there an Ethan Rafferty playing for Meath?
I think it is Sean Rafferty
Quote from: blanketattack on June 24, 2025, 04:41:13 PMWho will the counties be cheering for in the other games?
I expect Kerry and Armagh fans will be slightly favouring Meath as they're underdogs v Galway.
I think Donegal fans regardless of their result will be so worn out by the number of games and distances they have had to travel to those game, that they'll retire early from Croke Park.
Of course sean rafferty not Ethan. Getting over excited about reaching an All Ireland semi final. ;D
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 24, 2025, 10:37:25 PMOf course sean rafferty not Ethan. Getting over excited about reaching an All Ireland semi final. ;D
You will see Ethan up close in the semi final
Quote from: naka on June 25, 2025, 07:15:42 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 24, 2025, 10:37:25 PMOf course sean rafferty not Ethan. Getting over excited about reaching an All Ireland semi final. ;D
You will see Ethan up close in the semi final
Why would a Meath man be at a Galway v Armagh game? 🤷
The refs for the quarter finals
Monaghan v Donegal - Paddy Neilan (Roscommon)
Tyrone v Dublin - David Goldrick (Meath)
Meath v Galway- Martin McNally (Monaghan)
Armagh v Kerry - Brendan Cawley (Kildare)
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 25, 2025, 01:29:35 PMThe refs for the quarter finals
Monaghan v Donegal - Paddy Neilan (Roscommon)
Tyrone v Dublin - David Goldrick (Meath)
Meath v Galway- Martin McNally (Monaghan)
Armagh v Kerry - Brendan Cawley (Kildare)
Hasn't mcnally got a close connection to Galway ? Or am I mistaken. ?
Nice to see Kildare have some interest in the all ire series.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 25, 2025, 02:24:02 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 25, 2025, 01:29:35 PMThe refs for the quarter finals
Monaghan v Donegal - Paddy Neilan (Roscommon)
Tyrone v Dublin - David Goldrick (Meath)
Meath v Galway- Martin McNally (Monaghan)
Armagh v Kerry - Brendan Cawley (Kildare)
Hasn't mcnally got a close connection to Galway ? Or am I mistaken. ?
Nice to see Kildare have some interest in the all ire series.
It's a well known fact at this stage that Paddy Neilan is anti-Donegal. A green and yellow headed letter to the President being choppered in as we speak.
Quote from: Spiderlegs on June 25, 2025, 04:11:39 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 25, 2025, 02:24:02 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 25, 2025, 01:29:35 PMThe refs for the quarter finals
Monaghan v Donegal - Paddy Neilan (Roscommon)
Tyrone v Dublin - David Goldrick (Meath)
Meath v Galway- Martin McNally (Monaghan)
Armagh v Kerry - Brendan Cawley (Kildare)
Hasn't mcnally got a close connection to Galway ? Or am I mistaken. ?
Nice to see Kildare have some interest in the all ire series.
It's a well known fact at this stage that Paddy Neilan is anti-Donegal. A green and yellow headed letter to the President being choppered in as we speak.
He's from Roscommon which Jim says is about 5000 miles from Donegal so he shouldn't be too biased against them
Brendan Cawley in charge makes Armagh v Kerry a bit of lottery now.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 25, 2025, 04:43:32 PMBrendan Cawley in charge makes Armagh v Kerry a bit of lottery now.
He was shaky at best in Ulster final. Namely stopping game for Murphy cramp, and overcarrying call on Campbell.
Campbell one was the correct decision, jumping into 3 defenders and falling on his arse
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 25, 2025, 01:29:35 PMThe refs for the quarter finals
Monaghan v Donegal - Paddy Neilan (Roscommon)
Tyrone v Dublin - David Goldrick (Meath)
Meath v Galway- Martin McNally (Monaghan)
Armagh v Kerry - Brendan Cawley (Kildare)
Hurson and Faloon waiting for bigger days out?
Or McQuillan and Cassidy?
Quote from: An Watcher on June 25, 2025, 05:24:29 PMCampbell one was the correct decision, jumping into 3 defenders and falling on his arse
It was a fking foul and cost Armagh an Ulster
Haha, not for me although I'll give you the murphy one. Strange decision.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 25, 2025, 05:39:48 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 25, 2025, 01:29:35 PMThe refs for the quarter finals
Monaghan v Donegal - Paddy Neilan (Roscommon)
Tyrone v Dublin - David Goldrick (Meath)
Meath v Galway- Martin McNally (Monaghan)
Armagh v Kerry - Brendan Cawley (Kildare)
Hurson and Faloon waiting for bigger days out?
Or McQuillan and Cassidy?
And Gough?
Whilst not a huge fan of Hurson I'd say that has to be right.
McQuillan and Cassidy wouldn't be considered at this stage surely.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 25, 2025, 01:29:35 PMThe refs for the quarter finals
Monaghan v Donegal - Paddy Neilan (Roscommon)
Tyrone v Dublin - David Goldrick (Meath)
Meath v Galway- Martin McNally (Monaghan)
Armagh v Kerry - Brendan Cawley (Kildare)
Dublin David be the difference this weekend?
Quote from: An Watcher on June 25, 2025, 07:28:55 PMHaha, not for me although I'll give you the murphy one. Strange decision.
Agree on both. Did he think Murphy had got a rap on the head or something?
Croker near full on Sunday the way it's looking on Ticketmaster. I could be wrong though. Over 60,000 at it at least.
Are Galway the new Mayo but they don't know it?
Was there a curse in Galway?
Are there Mayo people involved with Galway?
Is the fluter boy Galway from Galway?
Where is Anthony Finnerty?
How many islands are Galway Islands?
Why did Joyce pull his socks up?
Why is Tuam not the school excellence it was?
How hard did the potato blight hit them?
Did the American lads land in Galway?
Galway must be close to empty at this stage. Miles and years on the clock is a tough combination.
Always better to avoid that preliminary round.
Quote from: thejuice on June 25, 2025, 10:53:16 PMCroker near full on Sunday the way it's looking on Ticketmaster. I could be wrong though. Over 60,000 at it at least.
Sunday sales looking promising for a big crowd.
Hopefully weather stays fine.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 26, 2025, 12:36:38 AMGalway must be close to empty at this stage. Miles and years on the clock is a tough combination.
Always better to avoid that preliminary round.
Unless ticketmaster is wrong or hiding tickets, there's very few seats left for Sunday.
Why does croke park not make hogan lower or upper available for juvenile tickets?
Some decent tickets avaialble in the hogan upper at the moment, but have to pay full price for kids if you want them
Quote from: donelli on June 26, 2025, 09:03:11 AMWhy does croke park not make hogan lower or upper available for juvenile tickets?
Some decent tickets avaialble in the hogan upper at the moment, but have to pay full price for kids if you want them
Because other customers will be happy to pay full price for them?
Like Ryanair, if you want a cheap seat....
Quote from: donelli on June 26, 2025, 09:03:11 AMWhy does croke park not make hogan lower or upper available for juvenile tickets?
Some decent tickets avaialble in the hogan upper at the moment, but have to pay full price for kids if you want them
It keeps wee johnnie who wants to blow a trumpet, wave a flag and go to the shop/toilet every 12 minutes out of the road of the best seats thus improving the experience and viewing spectacle for those paying top dollar. Having said that I paid full price for 3 wee johnnies last year.
If there's one thing you can't knock the GAA for it's the accommodation of kids. A fiver into the second or third biggest occasion of the year. No other sport does that to my knowledge, and when they do have family sections they're by and large stuck in a corner. Entire Cusack and Davin stand available for kids if you can get the decent tiks quick enough. Having the Hogan set aside is like having an adults only hotel and is very much appreciated also
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 25, 2025, 08:50:19 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 25, 2025, 05:39:48 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 25, 2025, 01:29:35 PMThe refs for the quarter finals
Monaghan v Donegal - Paddy Neilan (Roscommon)
Tyrone v Dublin - David Goldrick (Meath)
Meath v Galway- Martin McNally (Monaghan)
Armagh v Kerry - Brendan Cawley (Kildare)
Hurson and Faloon waiting for bigger days out?
Or McQuillan and Cassidy?
And Gough?
Whilst not a huge fan of Hurson I'd say that has to be right.
McQuillan and Cassidy wouldn't be considered at this stage surely.
Gough injured himself in the Down Louth game, hasn't done a game since. Looked like he pulled something so he might be done for the year.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 26, 2025, 11:21:02 AMIf there's one thing you can't knock the GAA for it's the accommodation of kids. A fiver into the second or third biggest occasion of the year. No other sport does that to my knowledge, and when they do have family sections they're by and large stuck in a corner. Entire Cusack and Davin stand available for kids if you can get the decent tiks quick enough. Having the Hogan set aside is like having an adults only hotel and is very much appreciated also
Aye I suppose you're right. Availed of the €5 tickets many a time. We used to bring the nieces and nephews to big games for a €5 ticket, even when some of them were 19 or 20. Just put your hair in pigtails or whatever , I says ;D
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 26, 2025, 01:01:30 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 26, 2025, 11:21:02 AMIf there's one thing you can't knock the GAA for it's the accommodation of kids. A fiver into the second or third biggest occasion of the year. No other sport does that to my knowledge, and when they do have family sections they're by and large stuck in a corner. Entire Cusack and Davin stand available for kids if you can get the decent tiks quick enough. Having the Hogan set aside is like having an adults only hotel and is very much appreciated also
Aye I suppose you're right. Availed of the €5 tickets many a time. We used to bring the nieces and nephews to big games for a €5 ticket, even when some of them were 19 or 20. Just put your hair in pigtails or whatever , I says ;D
I'm sure your nephew loved that...
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 25, 2025, 05:39:48 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 25, 2025, 01:29:35 PMThe refs for the quarter finals
Monaghan v Donegal - Paddy Neilan (Roscommon)
Tyrone v Dublin - David Goldrick (Meath)
Meath v Galway- Martin McNally (Monaghan)
Armagh v Kerry - Brendan Cawley (Kildare)
Hurson and Faloon waiting for bigger days out?
Or McQuillan and Cassidy?
Retiring after this year so probably one last big game pencilled in for him?
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 26, 2025, 01:36:00 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 25, 2025, 05:39:48 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 25, 2025, 01:29:35 PMThe refs for the quarter finals
Monaghan v Donegal - Paddy Neilan (Roscommon)
Tyrone v Dublin - David Goldrick (Meath)
Meath v Galway- Martin McNally (Monaghan)
Armagh v Kerry - Brendan Cawley (Kildare)
Hurson and Faloon waiting for bigger days out?
Or McQuillan and Cassidy?
Retiring after this year so probably one last big game pencilled in for him?
Coldrick not far behind
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 26, 2025, 12:36:38 AMGalway must be close to empty at this stage. Miles and years on the clock is a tough combination.
Always better to avoid that preliminary round.
Can Galway take anything away from their form in the second half of games this year? Armagh, Derry and the first half against Down they hit that purple patch..
Beating Meath would give them a period to get back at it again
Quote from: SaffronSports on June 26, 2025, 01:33:36 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 26, 2025, 01:01:30 PMQuote from: Manning18 on June 26, 2025, 11:21:02 AMIf there's one thing you can't knock the GAA for it's the accommodation of kids. A fiver into the second or third biggest occasion of the year. No other sport does that to my knowledge, and when they do have family sections they're by and large stuck in a corner. Entire Cusack and Davin stand available for kids if you can get the decent tiks quick enough. Having the Hogan set aside is like having an adults only hotel and is very much appreciated also
Aye I suppose you're right. Availed of the €5 tickets many a time. We used to bring the nieces and nephews to big games for a €5 ticket, even when some of them were 19 or 20. Just put your hair in pigtails or whatever , I says ;D
I'm sure your nephew loved that...
I set that up for you nicely there ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2025, 01:43:52 PMQuote from: Aaron Boone on June 26, 2025, 12:36:38 AMGalway must be close to empty at this stage. Miles and years on the clock is a tough combination.
Always better to avoid that preliminary round.
Can Galway take anything away from their form in the second half of games this year? Armagh, Derry and the first half against Down they hit that purple patch..
Beating Meath would give them a period to get back at it again
Galway can take plenty out of it. Shows their fitness is among the best with finishing games strongly and good strength in depth with big impact off the bench. I'm expecting Galway to beat Meath in a similar way this weekend.
Also worth noting they came through preliminary round last year and took out a rested Dublin in Croke Park with again a strong finish to the game.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2025, 01:43:52 PMQuote from: Aaron Boone on June 26, 2025, 12:36:38 AMGalway must be close to empty at this stage. Miles and years on the clock is a tough combination.
Always better to avoid that preliminary round.
Can Galway take anything away from their form in the second half of games this year? Armagh, Derry and the first half against Down they hit that purple patch..
Beating Meath would give them a period to get back at it again
The biggest issue I see for Galway at the moment is that we are absolutely haemorrhaging scores. Teams are opening us up at will.
This could be exposed even further in Croker.
I was at the league game against Dublin there earlier in the year and they waltzed through us time and again.
They could have had another 3 or 4 goals that night.
That's the biggest problem we have right now.
Quote from: galwayman on June 26, 2025, 04:30:24 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2025, 01:43:52 PMQuote from: Aaron Boone on June 26, 2025, 12:36:38 AMGalway must be close to empty at this stage. Miles and years on the clock is a tough combination.
Always better to avoid that preliminary round.
Can Galway take anything away from their form in the second half of games this year? Armagh, Derry and the first half against Down they hit that purple patch..
Beating Meath would give them a period to get back at it again
The biggest issue I see for Galway at the moment is that we are absolutely haemorrhaging scores. Teams are opening us up at will.
This could be exposed even further in Croker.
I was at the league game against Dublin there earlier in the year and they waltzed through us time and again.
They could have had another 3 or 4 goals that night.
That's the biggest problem we have right now.
Why is this? Kelly, McHugh and Johnny McGrath are top players. Is that just that McDaid, Maher, Conroy and Tierney are too lumbersome in defence?
This weekends predictions:
Donegal v Monaghan: I have been seriously impressed with Monaghan so far this championship and believe that if they get through his game they have as good a chance as anybody in winning a maiden All Ireland Title; If Donegal dont get going quickly in this game doubts may begin to set in about tiredness and fatigue etc but Jim will have them tuned in you would imagine. They were impressive in the second half last week though and I believe they may just have enough to get through; Donegal by 2
Dublin v Tyrone: Hard to know what your going to get with either side here both very unpredictable; alot will depend on Con's fitness and whether Brian Kennedy will be fit to play for Tyrone; Ive a feeling this is not a good matchiup for Tyrone and Dublin may be too phycial for them; On this basis Dublin by 2
Galway v Meath: Meath are an unknown quantitiy in this game; havenet seen any of them in the group stages so hard to know how impressive they have been; could go either way this game but i expect Galway to sneak it; Galway by 2
Kerry v Armagh: Alot of talk that Armagh are strong favourites for this game and rightly so they have been the best team in the championship so far. All logic points towards an Armagh win but writing Kerry off is a dangerous game and i've a sneaking suspicion they may just pull through. Kerry by 4.
Anyone else give it a rattle?
Quote from: trileacman on June 26, 2025, 04:51:10 PMQuote from: galwayman on June 26, 2025, 04:30:24 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2025, 01:43:52 PMQuote from: Aaron Boone on June 26, 2025, 12:36:38 AMGalway must be close to empty at this stage. Miles and years on the clock is a tough combination.
Always better to avoid that preliminary round.
Can Galway take anything away from their form in the second half of games this year? Armagh, Derry and the first half against Down they hit that purple patch..
Beating Meath would give them a period to get back at it again
The biggest issue I see for Galway at the moment is that we are absolutely haemorrhaging scores. Teams are opening us up at will.
This could be exposed even further in Croker.
I was at the league game against Dublin there earlier in the year and they waltzed through us time and again.
They could have had another 3 or 4 goals that night.
That's the biggest problem we have right now.
Why is this? Kelly, McHugh and Johnny McGrath are top players. Is that just that McDaid, Maher, Conroy and Tierney are too lumbersome in defence?
Lots going on. Spent 3 years perfecting a Cian O'Neill largely zonal system only for him to leave and the rules to change simultaneously. Seems in flux now between zonal and man to man and would suspect the coaching has taken a step down. Players who excelled in that system such as McHugh and Silke perhaps not being as good man to man. Lack of a stable and stationary center back (Kelly is all action around the pitch). And probably a couple of the large midfielders are slow on the transition the other way
I don't think any team is happy defensively really, just Galway seem a bit more unstable than most left. They had issues this time last year to a lesser extent and really turned it around with a fantastic display v Dublin in Croker so perhaps there's hope yet
Quote from: naka on June 25, 2025, 06:27:52 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 25, 2025, 05:24:29 PMCampbell one was the correct decision, jumping into 3 defenders and falling on his arse
It was a fking foul and cost Armagh an Ulster
And here was me thinking Armagh lost the Ulster Final because they were outscored in extra time
I can make arguments for every game going one way or the other.
Don't see Kerry beating Armagh. They need to be at 100% and haven't done that yet and haven't really needed to be either.
Donegal might just survive a tough battle with Monaghan but them losing wouldn't be a shock either. Donegal won't get through this unscathed any way but they'll get a break after this.
Which version of Dublin or Tyrone will we get. Both on form you'd say Tyrone slightly but you just don't know. Dublin have home advantage though.
It could be my optimism but Meath might be about to make a statement this weekend. We'll be rested, there's a hunger and an ambition in this team. It won't be easy by any means but I feel like the Kerry game has us nicely positioned to put together a complete performance. Of course that could be all b0ll0x come Sunday evening.
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A lot of quiet confidence around Armagh both among supporters and neutrals. I think Kerry are ready for an ambush, they'll be absolutely gunning for Armagh. Everything is set up for a Kerry victory. Armagh need to dominate the middle and make it count. Kerry have nothing to lose
I think this too. Find it hard to believe Kerry won't really put it up to Armagh or beat them. That said paudie Clifford a loss as I think he makes them tick.
Kerry need a fast start and a good finish.. been poor in the middle and end of games.. maybe the space of Croke may help but can't see anything other than a 4 point defeat
A good thing in Armagh's favour is the bullying and skelping we got in Kerry in the league, Kerry played like it was championship while Armagh played like it was the league. I remember thinking that one will be stored in the memory locker. I think Armagh will hit Kerry with a ferocious intensity that they sure as shite haven't experienced this championship. I'd really hope to see Grimley in MF with Crealey, some big calls to he made in defence, We're more tactically astute with Gilligan & Donaghy bending McGeeney's ear, so we'll hopefully have a plan for Dave.
Gilligan is the epitome of everything that is wrong in the gaa. A mercenary of the highest order.
Quote from: ONARAGGATIP on June 26, 2025, 09:45:05 PMGilligan is the epitome of everything that is wrong in the gaa. A mercenary of the highest order.
Harsh. Unlike most mercenaries he is superb at his job by all accounts.
Strong looking Armagh team. No Soupy or Oisin O'Neill in the panel is a blow tho.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2025, 10:18:25 PMStrong looking Armagh team. No Soupy or Oisin O'Neill in the panel is a blow tho.
Agree
Good to see grimley and mc Elroy starting as both have good engines and grimley can score from distance
Bench still looks strong although as you say no soupy or OisÃn a blow
Expect a change or 2 to that, strong team but less impact off the bench without Oisin or Soupy.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on June 26, 2025, 10:22:26 PMExpect a change or 2 to that, strong team but less impact off the bench without Oisin or Soupy.
Only change I can possibly see is if McCambridge isn't fit.
That's a strong Armaghh bench.
Soupy injured?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 26, 2025, 10:29:33 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GuZhXgkWsAANPT7?format=jpg&name=small)
Pretty much full strength bar Comer. At least Brennan knows Walsh very well from Crokes
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 26, 2025, 05:06:50 PMThis weekends predictions:
Donegal v Monaghan: I have been seriously impressed with Monaghan so far this championship and believe that if they get through his game they have as good a chance as anybody in winning a maiden All Ireland Title; If Donegal dont get going quickly in this game doubts may begin to set in about tiredness and fatigue etc but Jim will have them tuned in you would imagine. They were impressive in the second half last week though and I believe they may just have enough to get through; Donegal by 2
Dublin v Tyrone: Hard to know what your going to get with either side here both very unpredictable; alot will depend on Con's fitness and whether Brian Kennedy will be fit to play for Tyrone; Ive a feeling this is not a good matchiup for Tyrone and Dublin may be too phycial for them; On this basis Dublin by 2
Galway v Meath: Meath are an unknown quantitiy in this game; havenet seen any of them in the group stages so hard to know how impressive they have been; could go either way this game but i expect Galway to sneak it; Galway by 2
Kerry v Armagh: Alot of talk that Armagh are strong favourites for this game and rightly so they have been the best team in the championship so far. All logic points towards an Armagh win but writing Kerry off is a dangerous game and i've a sneaking suspicion they may just pull through. Kerry by 4.
Anyone else give it a rattle?
The Tyrone v Dublin game is the one I'm looking forward to most. Think Tyrone might shade it
Monaghan will scrap by Donegal by a few points. Would love to see Monaghan open up an early lead and Donegal having to go off piste, into real uncomfortable territory and Jim losing his shizzle on the sideline
Armagh v Kerry.. .. Dublin on penalties. Could be a cracking game
Galway v Meath, Galway by 10. Would love to see Meath make a semi final. Comer on the bench again for the 156th week in a row
Quote from: JoG2 on June 26, 2025, 11:02:39 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 26, 2025, 05:06:50 PMThis weekends predictions:
Donegal v Monaghan: I have been seriously impressed with Monaghan so far this championship and believe that if they get through his game they have as good a chance as anybody in winning a maiden All Ireland Title; If Donegal dont get going quickly in this game doubts may begin to set in about tiredness and fatigue etc but Jim will have them tuned in you would imagine. They were impressive in the second half last week though and I believe they may just have enough to get through; Donegal by 2
Dublin v Tyrone: Hard to know what your going to get with either side here both very unpredictable; alot will depend on Con's fitness and whether Brian Kennedy will be fit to play for Tyrone; Ive a feeling this is not a good matchiup for Tyrone and Dublin may be too phycial for them; On this basis Dublin by 2
Galway v Meath: Meath are an unknown quantitiy in this game; havenet seen any of them in the group stages so hard to know how impressive they have been; could go either way this game but i expect Galway to sneak it; Galway by 2
Kerry v Armagh: Alot of talk that Armagh are strong favourites for this game and rightly so they have been the best team in the championship so far. All logic points towards an Armagh win but writing Kerry off is a dangerous game and i've a sneaking suspicion they may just pull through. Kerry by 4.
Anyone else give it a rattle?
The Tyrone v Dublin game is the one I'm looking forward to most. Think Tyrone might shade it
Monaghan will scrap by Donegal by a few points. Would love to see Monaghan open up an early lead and Donegal having to go off piste, into real uncomfortable territory and Jim losing his shizzle on the sideline
Armagh v Dublin... Dublin on penalties. Could be a cracking game
Galway v Meath, Galway by 10. Would love to see Meath make a semi final. Comer on the bench again for the 156th week in a row
Very unfair on Dublin to play back to back like that.
I am concerned for Armagh. I feel Kerry have a big game in them and Armagh are a little under strength. So I'd tip Kerry.
Donegal v Monaghan I keep flip flopping on. I still think on their day with the intensity they bring in defence that they will edge it but it will be close.
Dublin v Tyrone is impossible to pick. It depends which version of either team shows up. I'd just give the nod to Dublin if pushed.
Meath have impressed me this year and I fancy them to kick this if the injuries from last week haven't healed up.
All in all promises to be a big weekend. Looking forward to it.
Tyrone will win by 3/4 pts.
Think Galway win with relative ease, 6/7 pts possibly.
I would love to see Monaghan beat Donegal, but I don't see it happening, Donegal by 4/5 pts.
Armagh v Kerry. Can't call it objectively, but the team named has given me a confidence boost.
A Monaghan team of sorts has been announced, most welcome is the naming of both Gary Mohan and Killian Lavelle, though only as subs. I'd guess Lavelle is a starter instead of McPhillips and possibly Mohan instead of exciting prospect Aaron Carey. Monaghan kicked their Croke Park voodoo to touch when getting past Armagh in 2023. There is a 100% consensus amongst everbody outside Monaghan that Donegal will win, albeit with various degrees of difficulty.
One thing is, Donegal are not our bogey team when it comes to knockout championship football, unlike the 3 musketeers, Dublin,Tyrone and Kerry.
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Quote from: David McKeown on June 26, 2025, 11:09:08 PMI am concerned for Armagh. I feel Kerry have a big game in them and Armagh are a little under strength. So I'd tip Kerry.
The starting Armagh team against Kerry last year are all named on the 26 for this weekend. Two subs Stefan Campbell,Oisin O'Neill brought on that day aren't named on the 26. When you say a little under strength does that mean a few named on the published team aren't going to feature this weekend?
Quote from: David McKeown on June 26, 2025, 11:09:08 PMQuote from: JoG2 on June 26, 2025, 11:02:39 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 26, 2025, 05:06:50 PMThis weekends predictions:
Donegal v Monaghan: I have been seriously impressed with Monaghan so far this championship and believe that if they get through his game they have as good a chance as anybody in winning a maiden All Ireland Title; If Donegal dont get going quickly in this game doubts may begin to set in about tiredness and fatigue etc but Jim will have them tuned in you would imagine. They were impressive in the second half last week though and I believe they may just have enough to get through; Donegal by 2
Dublin v Tyrone: Hard to know what your going to get with either side here both very unpredictable; alot will depend on Con's fitness and whether Brian Kennedy will be fit to play for Tyrone; Ive a feeling this is not a good matchiup for Tyrone and Dublin may be too phycial for them; On this basis Dublin by 2
Galway v Meath: Meath are an unknown quantitiy in this game; havenet seen any of them in the group stages so hard to know how impressive they have been; could go either way this game but i expect Galway to sneak it; Galway by 2
Kerry v Armagh: Alot of talk that Armagh are strong favourites for this game and rightly so they have been the best team in the championship so far. All logic points towards an Armagh win but writing Kerry off is a dangerous game and i've a sneaking suspicion they may just pull through. Kerry by 4.
Anyone else give it a rattle?
The Tyrone v Dublin game is the one I'm looking forward to most. Think Tyrone might shade it
Monaghan will scrap by Donegal by a few points. Would love to see Monaghan open up an early lead and Donegal having to go off piste, into real uncomfortable territory and Jim losing his shizzle on the sideline
Armagh v Dublin... Dublin on penalties. Could be a cracking game
Galway v Meath, Galway by 10. Would love to see Meath make a semi final. Comer on the bench again for the 156th week in a row
Very unfair on Dublin to play back to back like that.
I am concerned for Armagh. I feel Kerry have a big game in them and Armagh are a little under strength. So I'd tip Kerry.
Donegal v Monaghan I keep flip flopping on. I still think on their day with the intensity they bring in defence that they will edge it but it will be close.
Dublin v Tyrone is impossible to pick. It depends which version of either team shows up. I'd just give the nod to Dublin if pushed.
Meath have impressed me this year and I fancy them to kick this if the injuries from last week haven't healed up.
All in all promises to be a big weekend. Looking forward to it.
Indeed! Imagine it was Donegal! #edited
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 26, 2025, 11:44:43 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 26, 2025, 11:09:08 PMI am concerned for Armagh. I feel Kerry have a big game in them and Armagh are a little under strength. So I'd tip Kerry.
The starting Armagh team against Kerry last year are all named on the 26 for this weekend. Two subs Stefan Campbell,Oisin O'Neill brought on that day aren't named on the 26. When you say a little under strength does that mean a few named on the published team aren't going to feature this weekend?
McKay had a big role last year, McElroy (Armaghs player of the season last year) has had little football this year. No soupy and no Oisin in the 26. Turbit carrying an injury and not starting. Murnin carrying an injury most of the season. Others with injuries recently all make me feel like we are not at 100%. That's what I mean by a little under strength. Not saying Kerry or in fact any other county aren't in similar positions I'm just not sure we will be at our best as a result.
Why no Soupy, is he hurt?
Have a feeling both Monaghan and Meath will upset the odds this weekend.
Quote from: general_lee on June 26, 2025, 08:52:28 PMA lot of quiet confidence around Armagh both among supporters and neutrals. I think Kerry are ready for an ambush, they'll be absolutely gunning for Armagh. Everything is set up for a Kerry victory. Armagh need to dominate the middle and make it count. Kerry have nothing to lose
Quiet confidence? Armagh are literally the current champions and bookies favourites to win the game.
Kerry have nothing to lose? Not even their dignity? Kerry got to the quarter finals without having to play a division 1 team. Derry and Cavan have been knocked out of the championship after having to play a division 1 team in every championship game they had.
If Kerry are satisfied having beaten cork, Clare and Roscommon and have nothing to lose and are hoping for an ambush against the Ulster runners up then they have truly fallen from grace.
Some great games to look forward to this weekend:
Armagh vs Kerry- Hard to gauge where Kerry are at but Armagh look in good shape. That said Kerry have a big game in them. I am tipping Kerry for this by the slimmest of margins.
Tyrone vs Dublin- Tyrone were my dark horses before Sam began. O'Rourke is a wily old fox who will have Tyrone well set up. They have the firepower and legs to get at Dublin. For me Dublin win though if Con is fit. If not then Tyrone will win.
Donegal vs Monaghan- Donegal are my tip to win the whole thing. They will suit Croke Park with the new rules. Monaghan will put it up to them but I see Donegal coming through relatively comfortably.
Meath vs Galway- Who could have seen Meath beating Dublin and Kerry? So they will have no fear here. With a large support behind them they will be full blooded. Galway though have been there and done it. They have been patchy but have too much quality not to overcome Meath by a few points.
I go with Armagh, Dublin, Galway, with Monaghan to upset Donegal.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on June 27, 2025, 06:17:37 AMQuote from: general_lee on June 26, 2025, 08:52:28 PMA lot of quiet confidence around Armagh both among supporters and neutrals. I think Kerry are ready for an ambush, they'll be absolutely gunning for Armagh. Everything is set up for a Kerry victory. Armagh need to dominate the middle and make it count. Kerry have nothing to lose
Quiet confidence? Armagh are literally the current champions and bookies favourites to win the game.
Kerry have nothing to lose? Not even their dignity? Kerry got to the quarter finals without having to play a division 1 team. Derry and Cavan have been knocked out of the championship after having to play a division 1 team in every championship game they had.
If Kerry are satisfied having beaten cork, Clare and Roscommon and have nothing to lose and are hoping for an ambush against the Ulster runners up then they have truly fallen from grace.
Armagh look weak at the back at times. Look how many penalties they gave away against Galway, they should have had at least another one if not 2 more. If Kerry forwards start running directly at Armagh it will cause them serious problems. Armagh will try to get the ball to their 2 point scores, if Kerry shut this out its a Kerry win for me.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 27, 2025, 09:29:03 AMQuote from: Easttyrone23 on June 27, 2025, 06:17:37 AMQuote from: general_lee on June 26, 2025, 08:52:28 PMA lot of quiet confidence around Armagh both among supporters and neutrals. I think Kerry are ready for an ambush, they'll be absolutely gunning for Armagh. Everything is set up for a Kerry victory. Armagh need to dominate the middle and make it count. Kerry have nothing to lose
Quiet confidence? Armagh are literally the current champions and bookies favourites to win the game.
Kerry have nothing to lose? Not even their dignity? Kerry got to the quarter finals without having to play a division 1 team. Derry and Cavan have been knocked out of the championship after having to play a division 1 team in every championship game they had.
If Kerry are satisfied having beaten cork, Clare and Roscommon and have nothing to lose and are hoping for an ambush against the Ulster runners up then they have truly fallen from grace.
Armagh look weak at the back at times. Look how many penalties they gave away against Galway, they should have had at least another one if not 2 more. If Kerry forwards start running directly at Armagh it will cause them serious problems. Armagh will try to get the ball to their 2 point scores, if Kerry shut this out its a Kerry win for me.
Ah here. The ones the got were soft enough from memory. Agree we'll need to tighten up big time. McKay is some loss for us.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on June 27, 2025, 06:17:37 AMQuote from: general_lee on June 26, 2025, 08:52:28 PMA lot of quiet confidence around Armagh both among supporters and neutrals. I think Kerry are ready for an ambush, they'll be absolutely gunning for Armagh. Everything is set up for a Kerry victory. Armagh need to dominate the middle and make it count. Kerry have nothing to lose
Quiet confidence? Armagh are literally the current champions and bookies favourites to win the game.
Kerry have nothing to lose? Not even their dignity? Kerry got to the quarter finals without having to play a division 1 team. Derry and Cavan have been knocked out of the championship after having to play a division 1 team in every championship game they had.
If Kerry are satisfied having beaten cork, Clare and Roscommon and have nothing to lose and are hoping for an ambush against the Ulster runners up then they have truly fallen from grace.
What do you mean lose their dignity? No shame in losing to the "bookies favourites and current champions".
They've a corner back named at half forward, they've Paul Geaney and Paudie Clifford on the bench. Inexperienced midfield. This is as weak as they've been for a good while. Everyone seems to be tipping Armagh. Armagh don't do well as favourites. Kerry will have plenty of motivation going into this game. Like you say they haven't played anyone yet. It's a free one for them.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2025, 09:15:55 PMA good thing in Armagh's favour is the bullying and skelping we got in Kerry in the league, Kerry played like it was championship while Armagh played like it was the league. I remember thinking that one will be stored in the memory locker. I think Armagh will hit Kerry with a ferocious intensity that they sure as shite haven't experienced this championship. I'd really hope to see Grimley in MF with Crealey, some big calls to he made in defence, We're more tactically astute with Gilligan & Donaghy bending McGeeney's ear, so we'll hopefully have a plan for Dave.
This is exactly what I think. Kerry acted the big men that night and Paudie Clifford in particular was a complete bellend to the point he got a yellow card. This Armagh squad should be using that as an additional motivation on Sunday. As others have said we have had concerns in some of our defending but a lot of that is down to the new rules and looking at the Kerry defence there's nothing there to strike fear into the Armagh attack. A lot depends on the midfield battle and the fitness of some of our key players in that area. The ability of Soupy to lift the crowd and the play when he comes on will be a massive miss.
This last year's champions being favourites now always happens. Kerry have all the motivation they need. Armagh have beaten Dublin and Derry. It's nothing special. Complacency is the biggest potential problem facing Armagh. Doing back to back is very difficult.
It's a 50/50 match in my eyes. A lot will boil down to how Armagh contain D.Clifford and the midfield battle.
Armagh have been tipping along nicely during the championship and have played 4 of the remaining 8 teams, with good performances in each match, so they are well ready for this. Complacency shouldn't play into this, its not in McGeeneys style to get cocky, the Galway game showed that.
Kerry are Kerry, they can never be counted out.
Very little talk of Tyrone Dublin on this thread.
Semi Final draw (if required) live on Sunday Game.
No repeats of earlier Championship games unless impossible.
If Galway, Dublin and Armagh all win....
Quote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2025, 11:25:16 AMSemi Final draw (if required) live on Sunday Game.
No repeats of earlier Championship games unless impossible.
If Galway, Dublin and Armagh all win....
If Armagh, Donegal, Tyrone & Galway all win, how will they work it?
Armagh have played all 3
Donegal have played all bar Galway
Tyrone have played all bar Galway
Galway have played just Armagh
Quote from: 5times5times on June 27, 2025, 11:51:37 AMQuote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2025, 11:25:16 AMSemi Final draw (if required) live on Sunday Game.
No repeats of earlier Championship games unless impossible.
If Galway, Dublin and Armagh all win....
If Armagh, Donegal, Tyrone & Galway all win, how will they work it?
Armagh have played all 3
Donegal have played all bar Galway
Tyrone have played all bar Galway
Galway have played just Armagh
A bowl with 2 balls - Donegal and Tyrone, to find out Galways opponent.
In this case a repeat is unavoidable.
Donegal by 3
Tyrone by 2
Galway by 2
Kerry by 1 AET
Wouldn't be surprised if I get all 4 wrong, all the games are very hard to call.
Quote from: AnDúnAbú94 on June 27, 2025, 11:58:02 AMDonegal by 3
Tyrone by 2
Galway by 2
Kerry by 1 AET
Wouldn't be surprised if I get all 4 wrong, all the games are very hard to call.
If it goes to extra time I think we'll edge it, should have the fitness and the bench to do it. I can see Kerry blowing us away worst case, if the Cliffords turn up and fire but in a tight game I fancy us to do it.
Donegal by 5
Tyrone to be like calves on spring grass - win by 3
Galway by 2 AET
Armagh by 4
Can't remember a QF weekend as good as this ever.
Who'll get the first yellow for tackles on Clifford?
Meath 15 as expected.
Only change before throw in will be Costello in for Curtis most likely.
Nerves and excitement building.
In Robbie we trust
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2025, 11:54:27 AMQuote from: 5times5times on June 27, 2025, 11:51:37 AMQuote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2025, 11:25:16 AMSemi Final draw (if required) live on Sunday Game.
No repeats of earlier Championship games unless impossible.
If Galway, Dublin and Armagh all win....
If Armagh, Donegal, Tyrone & Galway all win, how will they work it?
Armagh have played all 3
Donegal have played all bar Galway
Tyrone have played all bar Galway
Galway have played just Armagh
A bowl with 2 balls - Donegal and Tyrone, to find out Galways opponent.
In this case a repeat is unavoidable.
Is there any hierarchy of not having played a team? e.g. avoiding a repeat of Provincial final might be more important than avoiding a group game repeat or that of an earlier provincial game?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2025, 12:24:49 PMWho'll get the first yellow for tackles on Clifford?
At what time will Clifford's jersey be ripped?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2025, 11:25:16 AMSemi Final draw (if required) live on Sunday Game.
No repeats of earlier Championship games unless impossible.
If Galway, Dublin and Armagh all win....
What a load of nonsense
If Armagh Donegal Galway and Dublin go through , Armagh will have played all three. Does that mean Armagh are automatically knocked out or get a bye to the final?
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2025, 12:02:11 PMDonegal by 5
Tyrone to be like calves on spring grass - win by 3
Galway by 2 AET
Armagh by 4
Can't remember a QF weekend as good as this ever.
On paper only
We could see four stuffing matches
What happened with Clifford's jersey in the Cavan game? Did see a Cavan fan giving off about it saying only 3 minutes in
He is unmarkable.
Given that all four games could go either way...
Donegal by 4 (have to back my own county, but this one really is 50/50)
Tyrone by 2 (if Con doesn't play)
Kerry by 4 (purely on the basis that they'll be seriously roused up for this and assuming Paudie Clifford plays)
Galway by 6 (assuming Walsh is fit)
As an Armagh fan, I'd be more worried about Kerry than any of the remaining teams. Kerry score goals and we concede goal chances. That's a match made in hell for us. I hope we seriously improve in this regard or we could be in trouble.
At the other end I still think that we will get a good total of say 26 points.
Also no one seems to give meath a chance. I could see them winning.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2025, 11:54:27 AMQuote from: 5times5times on June 27, 2025, 11:51:37 AMQuote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2025, 11:25:16 AMSemi Final draw (if required) live on Sunday Game.
No repeats of earlier Championship games unless impossible.
If Galway, Dublin and Armagh all win....
If Armagh, Donegal, Tyrone & Galway all win, how will they work it?
Armagh have played all 3
Donegal have played all bar Galway
Tyrone have played all bar Galway
Galway have played just Armagh
A bowl with 2 balls - Donegal and Tyrone, to find out Galways opponent.
In this case a repeat is unavoidable.
No draw needed. The Tyrone v Armagh game doesn't count for the purposes of repeat pairings so it will be them and Donegal v Galway
It's only a repeat pairing if you have met in the All Ireland series or a provincial final. Hence why Monaghan and Donegal are meeting again.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2025, 02:23:05 PMAlso no one seems to give meath a chance. I could see them winning.
I can see Meath winning, they kept Kerry quiet for large spells of their match and they are quite potent with the 2 pointers. Their downfall will be if they are not clinical enough and they need to take the sting out of Galway in the latter stages of games.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2025, 02:23:05 PMAlso no one seems to give meath a chance. I could see them winning.
I've gave them extra time tbf. Galway bench to win it.
I have 4 Upper Hogan tickets for the Donegal/Monaghan Tyrone/Dublin games if anyone needs some. I can't go now. Let me know if you're interested.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 27, 2025, 02:25:04 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2025, 11:54:27 AMQuote from: 5times5times on June 27, 2025, 11:51:37 AMQuote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2025, 11:25:16 AMSemi Final draw (if required) live on Sunday Game.
No repeats of earlier Championship games unless impossible.
If Galway, Dublin and Armagh all win....
If Armagh, Donegal, Tyrone & Galway all win, how will they work it?
Armagh have played all 3
Donegal have played all bar Galway
Tyrone have played all bar Galway
Galway have played just Armagh
A bowl with 2 balls - Donegal and Tyrone, to find out Galways opponent.
In this case a repeat is unavoidable.
No draw needed. The Tyrone v Armagh game doesn't count for the purposes of repeat pairings so it will be them and Donegal v Galway
It's only a repeat pairing if you have met in the All Ireland series or a provincial final. Hence why Monaghan and Donegal are meeting again.
Is it not different for the semi final? I thought they tried to avoid all repeats for the semi but maybe that's wrong.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 27, 2025, 02:25:04 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2025, 11:54:27 AMQuote from: 5times5times on June 27, 2025, 11:51:37 AMQuote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2025, 11:25:16 AMSemi Final draw (if required) live on Sunday Game.
No repeats of earlier Championship games unless impossible.
If Galway, Dublin and Armagh all win....
If Armagh, Donegal, Tyrone & Galway all win, how will they work it?
Armagh have played all 3
Donegal have played all bar Galway
Tyrone have played all bar Galway
Galway have played just Armagh
A bowl with 2 balls - Donegal and Tyrone, to find out Galways opponent.
In this case a repeat is unavoidable.
No draw needed. The Tyrone v Armagh game doesn't count for the purposes of repeat pairings so it will be them and Donegal v Galway
It's only a repeat pairing if you have met in the All Ireland series or a provincial final. Hence why Monaghan and Donegal are meeting again.
I'm sure I saw somewhere that all previous meetings count now. Why the difference I don't know.
They'll have to open up the Nally for Sunday if Ticketmaster is to be believed
Even allowing for a Dublin based walk up crowd, the Sunday could exceed the Saturday by 5-10k. Which is the opposite of what the GAA put out originally
For whatever reason it's different for the semis.
Hard to follow the logic as with only 4 teams it is harder to avoid repeats.
But "thems the rules"
Quote from: Manning18 on June 27, 2025, 02:47:08 PMThey'll have to open up the Nally for Sunday if Ticketmaster is to be believed
Even allowing for a Dublin based walk up crowd, the Sunday could exceed the Saturday by 5-10k. Which is the opposite of what the GAA put out originally
Armagh and Meath were always going to take huge numbers, Galway travel fairly well usually too. Rumour has it Kerry have had to put on a 3rd bus as well.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 27, 2025, 02:25:04 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2025, 11:54:27 AMQuote from: 5times5times on June 27, 2025, 11:51:37 AMQuote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2025, 11:25:16 AMSemi Final draw (if required) live on Sunday Game.
No repeats of earlier Championship games unless impossible.
If Galway, Dublin and Armagh all win....
If Armagh, Donegal, Tyrone & Galway all win, how will they work it?
Armagh have played all 3
Donegal have played all bar Galway
Tyrone have played all bar Galway
Galway have played just Armagh
A bowl with 2 balls - Donegal and Tyrone, to find out Galways opponent.
In this case a repeat is unavoidable.
No draw needed. The Tyrone v Armagh game doesn't count for the purposes of repeat pairings so it will be them and Donegal v Galway
It's only a repeat pairing if you have met in the All Ireland series or a provincial final. Hence why Monaghan and Donegal are meeting again.
You are normally a stickler for detail David. The rules are different for the QF and SF.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2025, 02:38:33 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 27, 2025, 02:25:04 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2025, 11:54:27 AMQuote from: 5times5times on June 27, 2025, 11:51:37 AMQuote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2025, 11:25:16 AMSemi Final draw (if required) live on Sunday Game.
No repeats of earlier Championship games unless impossible.
If Galway, Dublin and Armagh all win....
If Armagh, Donegal, Tyrone & Galway all win, how will they work it?
Armagh have played all 3
Donegal have played all bar Galway
Tyrone have played all bar Galway
Galway have played just Armagh
A bowl with 2 balls - Donegal and Tyrone, to find out Galways opponent.
In this case a repeat is unavoidable.
No draw needed. The Tyrone v Armagh game doesn't count for the purposes of repeat pairings so it will be them and Donegal v Galway
It's only a repeat pairing if you have met in the All Ireland series or a provincial final. Hence why Monaghan and Donegal are meeting again.
I'm sure I saw somewhere that all previous meetings count now. Why the difference I don't know.
Just looked at the rule there. It is different. It now says avoid repeat pairings from the championship as opposed to saying from previous rounds. Of course the championship isn't defined. I know the DRA have previously said the term means either the provincial championship or the All Ireland but not both. So I've no idea what this means.
Quote from: Solo_run on June 27, 2025, 02:30:17 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2025, 02:23:05 PMAlso no one seems to give meath a chance. I could see them winning.
I can see Meath winning, they kept Kerry quiet for large spells of their match and they are quite potent with the 2 pointers. Their downfall will be if they are not clinical enough and they need to take the sting out of Galway in the latter stages of games.
Of course my opinion is highly biased.
But I honestly think we have the talent all over the field to beat Galway. With or without walsh. We are not as reliant on certain players like they are. I suppose Costello is our top player and only on bench after injury, also our most lethal forward in Conlon is out for season. But we beat Kerry without both of those. Also even if walsh is playing I think rafferty will keep him quite as he has done with all the big names this year he's faced.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2025, 02:47:45 PMFor whatever reason it's different for the semis.
Hard to follow the logic as with only 4 teams it is harder to avoid repeats.
But "thems the rules"
Yeah it makes no sense Armagh couldn't have met Tyrone in the semi final because of a match in Ulster but could have met them in the groups, preliminary quarter final, quarter final or final. Madness
Quote from: David McKeown on June 27, 2025, 02:59:15 PMQuote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2025, 02:47:45 PMFor whatever reason it's different for the semis.
Hard to follow the logic as with only 4 teams it is harder to avoid repeats.
But "thems the rules"
Yeah it makes no sense Armagh couldn't have met Tyrone in the semi final because of a match in Ulster but could have met them in the groups, preliminary quarter final, quarter final or final. Madness
Decent chance obviously that if we get to a semi we'll have already played all 3 teams.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2025, 03:11:36 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 27, 2025, 02:59:15 PMQuote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2025, 02:47:45 PMFor whatever reason it's different for the semis.
Hard to follow the logic as with only 4 teams it is harder to avoid repeats.
But "thems the rules"
Yeah it makes no sense Armagh couldn't have met Tyrone in the semi final because of a match in Ulster but could have met them in the groups, preliminary quarter final, quarter final or final. Madness
Decent chance obviously that if we get to a semi we'll have already played all 3 teams.
you'll be alright. Haven't played Meath yet. So you all good
And let's be honest. If there is one man who may know how to control Shane walsh it would be Robbie Brennan
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2025, 03:11:36 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 27, 2025, 02:59:15 PMQuote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2025, 02:47:45 PMFor whatever reason it's different for the semis.
Hard to follow the logic as with only 4 teams it is harder to avoid repeats.
But "thems the rules"
Yeah it makes no sense Armagh couldn't have met Tyrone in the semi final because of a match in Ulster but could have met them in the groups, preliminary quarter final, quarter final or final. Madness
Decent chance obviously that if we get to a semi we'll have already played all 3 teams.
Yes but that's completely coincidental the rule change fir the semi makes no sense
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 27, 2025, 03:42:28 PMAnd let's be honest. If there is one man who may know how to control Shane walsh it would be Robbie Brennan
Galway have more than one forward. Meath haven't been playing at the elite level for long. This might count in the last 10 minutes.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 27, 2025, 03:40:16 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2025, 03:11:36 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 27, 2025, 02:59:15 PMQuote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2025, 02:47:45 PMFor whatever reason it's different for the semis.
Hard to follow the logic as with only 4 teams it is harder to avoid repeats.
But "thems the rules"
Yeah it makes no sense Armagh couldn't have met Tyrone in the semi final because of a match in Ulster but could have met them in the groups, preliminary quarter final, quarter final or final. Madness
Decent chance obviously that if we get to a semi we'll have already played all 3 teams.
you'll be alright. Haven't played Meath yet. So you all good
Meaths last game in Croker was a defeat to an average enough Louth team. Some good wins in between but all outside Croke Park. Louth running direct caused a lot of problems. Galway have strong runners in McDaid,Tierney,Walsh, Conroy.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2025, 03:11:36 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 27, 2025, 02:59:15 PMQuote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2025, 02:47:45 PMFor whatever reason it's different for the semis.
Hard to follow the logic as with only 4 teams it is harder to avoid repeats.
But "thems the rules"
Yeah it makes no sense Armagh couldn't have met Tyrone in the semi final because of a match in Ulster but could have met them in the groups, preliminary quarter final, quarter final or final. Madness
Decent chance obviously that if we get to a semi we'll have already played all 3 teams.
They wanted to avoid all forms of repeat in the semi-final. The only question is that if this is not possible do they simply stop trying or so they have a precedence order to resolve the issue?
I'm perplexed as to how people think Meath can beat Galway. Meath were beaten by an average Louth team. The worst Kildare team in living memory ran Louth close in the Leinster semi final. Meath beat below par Dublin and Kerry teams.
I just cannot see anything other than a Galway victory.
Quote from: mup on June 27, 2025, 04:55:20 PMI'm perplexed as to how people think Meath can beat Galway. Meath were beaten by an average Louth team. The worst Kildare team in living memory ran Louth close in the Leinster semi final. Meath beat below par Dublin and Kerry teams.
I just cannot see anything other than a Galway victory.
Expected nothing less than that from a Kildare fan.
When poaching players from other counties fails just turn on your more successful and talented neighbours
ticketmaster really is a shambles
tried to go online to download tickets and it has said unexpected error all afternoon
Quote from: bennydorano on June 26, 2025, 11:21:40 PMTyrone will win by 3/4 pts.
Think Galway win with relative ease, 6/7 pts possibly.
I would love to see Monaghan beat Donegal, but I don't see it happening, Donegal by 4/5 pts.
Armagh v Kerry. Can't call it objectively, but the team named has given me a confidence boost.
After seeing the Tyrone team named I'm not so sure anymore, but word is Malachy O'Rourke knows more than me, so there's that to consider.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 27, 2025, 05:03:19 PMQuote from: mup on June 27, 2025, 04:55:20 PMI'm perplexed as to how people think Meath can beat Galway. Meath were beaten by an average Louth team. The worst Kildare team in living memory ran Louth close in the Leinster semi final. Meath beat below par Dublin and Kerry teams.
I just cannot see anything other than a Galway victory.
Expected nothing less than that from a Kildare fan.
When poaching players from other counties fails just turn on your more successful and talented neighbours
The line of form for the year isn't spectacular though tbf..
Meath were dominant in both games against Dublin and Kerry no doubt, Kerry haven't played a div 1 team in championship so hard to gauge them, Dublin were lucky against Derry, and not overly good in their other games.
So it'll be a decent game as Galway haven't set the world alight, they have a purple patch in games which effectively win the match, no consistency for 70 minutes
All the games have question marks over them, and for all the favouritism Armagh have, they've still lost 2 games in championship
Which team left has the best form?
Quote from: naka on June 27, 2025, 05:11:19 PMticketmaster really is a shambles
tried to go online to download tickets and it has said unexpected error all afternoon
I think you need to clear all history on your phone and then log in. Worked for me.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 27, 2025, 05:03:19 PMQuote from: mup on June 27, 2025, 04:55:20 PMI'm perplexed as to how people think Meath can beat Galway. Meath were beaten by an average Louth team. The worst Kildare team in living memory ran Louth close in the Leinster semi final. Meath beat below par Dublin and Kerry teams.
I just cannot see anything other than a Galway victory.
Expected nothing less than that from a Kildare fan.
When poaching players from other counties fails just turn on your more successful and talented neighbours
So when others fancy Galway you say nothing but when I give an opinion on the game you throw out an insult. Paranoid much?
Quote from: mup on June 27, 2025, 04:55:20 PMI'm perplexed as to how people think Meath can beat Galway. Meath were beaten by an average Louth team. The worst Kildare team in living memory ran Louth close in the Leinster semi final. Meath beat below par Dublin and Kerry teams.
I just cannot see anything other than a Galway victory.
Derby games are difficult at the best of times. Down were a point off beating Armagh last year in Ulster.
Meath have beaten Dublin and comprehensively outplayed Kerry last time out. They definitely deserve their place
Quote from: Solo_run on June 27, 2025, 06:07:53 PMQuote from: mup on June 27, 2025, 04:55:20 PMI'm perplexed as to how people think Meath can beat Galway. Meath were beaten by an average Louth team. The worst Kildare team in living memory ran Louth close in the Leinster semi final. Meath beat below par Dublin and Kerry teams.
I just cannot see anything other than a Galway victory.
Derby games are difficult at the best of times. Down were a point off beating Armagh last year in Ulster.
Meath have beaten Dublin and comprehensively outplayed Kerry last time out. They definitely deserve their place
They are there for a reason. They topped their group. I just happen to think Galway will have too much quality for them. Imo Meath are the lowest rated team in the 1/4 finals.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2025, 05:30:48 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 27, 2025, 05:03:19 PMQuote from: mup on June 27, 2025, 04:55:20 PMI'm perplexed as to how people think Meath can beat Galway. Meath were beaten by an average Louth team. The worst Kildare team in living memory ran Louth close in the Leinster semi final. Meath beat below par Dublin and Kerry teams.
I just cannot see anything other than a Galway victory.
Expected nothing less than that from a Kildare fan.
When poaching players from other counties fails just turn on your more successful and talented neighbours
The line of form for the year isn't spectacular though tbf..
Meath were dominant in both games against Dublin and Kerry no doubt, Kerry haven't played a div 1 team in championship so hard to gauge them, Dublin were lucky against Derry, and not overly good in their other games.
So it'll be a decent game as Galway haven't set the world alight, they have a purple patch in games which effectively win the match, no consistency for 70 minutes
All the games have question marks over them, and for all the favouritism Armagh have, they've still lost 2 games in championship
Which team left has the best form?
Up for debate. And must be the first time to have no unbeaten before the last 8 of the championship.
Donegal P8 W7 L1 scored 9-177 (204) and conceded 5-137 (152) average per game 26 v 19
Monaghan P4 W3 L1 scored 4-96 (108) and conceded 6-73 (91) average per game 27 v 23
Tyrone played P5 W3 L2 scored 4-107 (119) conceded 2-98 (104) average per game 24 v 21
Dublin played P6 W4 L2 scored 5-115 (130) conceded 3-115 (124) average per game 22 v 21
Galway played P7 W5 D1 L1 scored 15-145 (190) and conceded 7-139 (160) average per game 27 v 23
Meath played P7 W5 D1 L1 5-152 (167) and conceded 6-113 (131) average per game 24 v 19
Kerry P6 W5 L1 scored 14-123 (165) conceded 3-128 (137) average per game 28 v 23
Armagh P6 L2 scored 3-157 (166) and conceded 7-126 (147) average per game 28 v 25
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 27, 2025, 06:49:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2025, 05:30:48 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 27, 2025, 05:03:19 PMQuote from: mup on June 27, 2025, 04:55:20 PMI'm perplexed as to how people think Meath can beat Galway. Meath were beaten by an average Louth team. The worst Kildare team in living memory ran Louth close in the Leinster semi final. Meath beat below par Dublin and Kerry teams.
I just cannot see anything other than a Galway victory.
Expected nothing less than that from a Kildare fan.
When poaching players from other counties fails just turn on your more successful and talented neighbours
The line of form for the year isn't spectacular though tbf..
Meath were dominant in both games against Dublin and Kerry no doubt, Kerry haven't played a div 1 team in championship so hard to gauge them, Dublin were lucky against Derry, and not overly good in their other games.
So it'll be a decent game as Galway haven't set the world alight, they have a purple patch in games which effectively win the match, no consistency for 70 minutes
All the games have question marks over them, and for all the favouritism Armagh have, they've still lost 2 games in championship
Which team left has the best form?
Up for debate. And must be the first time to have no unbeaten before the last 8 of the championship.
Donegal P8 W7 L1 scored 9-177 (204) and conceded 5-137 (152) average per game 26 v 19
Monaghan P4 W3 L1 scored 4-96 (108) and conceded 6-73 (91) average per game 27 v 23
Tyrone played P5 W3 L2 scored 4-107 (119) conceded 2-98 (104) average per game 24 v 21
Dublin played P6 W4 L2 scored 5-115 (130) conceded 3-115 (124) average per game 22 v 21
Galway played P7 W5 D1 L1 scored 15-145 (190) and conceded 7-139 (160) average per game 27 v 23
Meath played P7 W5 D1 L1 5-152 (167) and conceded 6-113 (131) average per game 24 v 19
Kerry P6 W5 L1 scored 14-123 (165) conceded 3-128 (137) average per game 28 v 23
Armagh P6 L2 scored 3-157 (166) and conceded 7-126 (147) average per game 28 v 25
It's bound to be a first sure this is only the 3rd year it could be possible that theres no unbeaten team at this stage.
For 130 odd years there was 4 unbeaten teams at this stage whether it was quarters or semis.
Hot and humid weather so we'll see who's fittest.
Meath probably most likely to suffer in the closing stages.
Great to have 4 big games and no one can be sure who'll win.
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2025, 04:07:21 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 27, 2025, 03:42:28 PMAnd let's be honest. If there is one man who may know how to control Shane walsh it would be Robbie Brennan
Galway have more than one forward. Meath haven't been playing at the elite level for long. This might count in the last 10 minutes.
It could but I can't see it. Meath would have a far greater spread of scorers I'd say. Morris , frayne Curtis the obvious ones. Then Costello, kinsella (the man I think most 2 pts from play or close to it this year ) Duke another 2 pt getter , Menton always good for at least one big score .
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 27, 2025, 07:10:52 PMQuote from: seafoid on June 27, 2025, 04:07:21 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 27, 2025, 03:42:28 PMAnd let's be honest. If there is one man who may know how to control Shane walsh it would be Robbie Brennan
Galway have more than one forward. Meath haven't been playing at the elite level for long. This might count in the last 10 minutes.
It could but I can't see it. Meath would have a far greater spread of scorers I'd say. Morris , frayne Curtis the obvious ones. Then Costello, kinsella (the man I think most 2 pts from play or close to it this year ) Duke another 2 pt getter , Menton always good for at least one big score .
Both have played seven games in this years championship.
Galway scored 15-145 (190)
- Robert Finnerty: 3-37 (2x2pt, 0-11f, 0-01 pen)
- Matthew Tierney: 6-13 (1-0 pen, 2x2ptf, 0-01f, 0-01m)
- Shane Walsh: 2-19 (2x2pt, 0-02f, 3x2ptf)
- Paul Conroy: 0-16 (4x2pt, 2x2ptf)
- Matthew Thompson: 1-12 (1x2pt)
- Cillian McDaid: 0-11
- John Maher: 1-05
- Peter Cooke: 0-06 (2x2pt)
- Daniel O'Flaherty: 0-04
- Seán Kelly: 0-04
- Céin D'Arcy: 0-03
- Liam Ó Conghaile: 0-03
- Tomo Culhane: 1-0
- Cian Hernon: 1-0
- Dylan McHugh: 0-02
- Conor Flaherty: 0-02 (1x2pt)
- Liam Silke: 0-01
- Finnian Ó LaoÃ: 0-01
- Kieran Molloy: 0-01
- Brian Mannion: 0-01
- Jonathan McGrath: 0-01
- Sam O'Neill: 0-01
- Cathal Sweeney: 0-01
- Damien Comer: 0-01m
Meath scored 5-152 (167)
- Eoghan Frayne: 0-35 (3xtp, 3xtpf, 0-16f)
- Mathew Costello: 1-21 (0-06f, 1xtp, 1xtpf)
- Ruairà Kinsella: 1-17 (5xtp)
- James Conlon: 1-16 (1xtp)
- Conor Duke: 0-13 (4xtp)
- Billy Hogan: 0-10 (4xtpf, 0-02 '45')
- Bryan Menton: 1-06 (2xtp)
- Jordan Morris: 1-06 (0-01f)
- Keith Curtis: 0-07 (2xtp)
- Jack Flynn: 0-05 (2xtp)
- Sean Coffey: 0-05
- Aaron Lynch: 0-02
- Donal Keogan: 0-02
- Jack Kinlough: 0-02
- Diarmuid Moriarty: 0-02
- Ciaran Caulfield: 0-02
- Jason Scully: 0-01
Quote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2025, 07:05:45 PMHot and humid weather so we'll see who's fittest.
Meath probably most likely to suffer in the closing stages.
Great to have 4 big games and no one can be sure who'll win.
Interesting weekend ahead. Along with Armagh I think Donegal,Galway are the fittest teams left with the best strength in depth although their opponent Monaghan,Meath are rested giving them a decent chance to cause upset.
A rested Tyrone,Armagh should be winning their Quarter finals against Kerry and Dublin who couldn't top their groups for a reason and Dublin weren't good enough to win Leinster this year plus Kerry were lucky Cork didn't beat them in Munster.
Donegal by 3 - Donegal should have got Sunday, but still should have enough given the Louth game was a second half stroll.
Dublin by 2 - a hesitant vote but the Jacks likely to have their shooting boots on for this one. If they don't, Tyrone will.
Galway by 3 - have been very impressed by Meath this year but they are more vulnerable to goals on bigger pitches like Croker and Dr. Hyde. Galway also have a 2001 aura about them.
Kerry by 1 - Armagh have been the most impressive team this year. Win this and they will go all the way. But Kerry are still Kerry and will be up for it.
Quote from: weareros on June 27, 2025, 08:01:03 PMDonegal by 3 - Donegal should have got Sunday, but still should have enough given the Louth game was a second half stroll.
Dublin by 2 - a hesitant vote but the Jacks likely to have their shooting boots on for this one. If they don't, Tyrone will.
Galway by 3 - have been very impressed by Meath this year but they are more vulnerable to goals on bigger pitches like Croker and Dr. Hyde. Galway also have a 2001 aura about them.
Kerry by 1 - Armagh have been the most impressive team this year. Win this and they will go all the way. But Kerry are still Kerry and will be up for it.
For me Armagh and Tyrone are certainties. The other 2 games are where we might see upsets. I do think Donegal will scrape through but I think Meath might just pip Galway. That would leave a semifinal where Tyrone would be looking for revenge for 1996 when Meath beat them with some beautiful football.
Armagh,Tyrone,Donegal and Galway to win for me. Monaghan the most likely to cause upset. Armagh v Tyrone semi final will deserve a thread of its own afterwards.
Donegal and Monaghan nailed on to be the most boring game. 2 of the dullest sides in the championship.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 27, 2025, 08:33:31 PMDonegal and Monaghan nailed on to be the most boring game. 2 of the dullest sides in the championship.
Monaghan/Down was a cracker. Fair enough point about Donegal though.
After so many years of Dublin domination and sheer negativity around the sport, do the supporters of the eight quarter-finalists not feel extremely privileged to be at the centre of a festival of football in a near enough sold out Croke Park this weekend?
Good times 😁
Quote from: APM on June 27, 2025, 11:15:54 PMAfter so many years of Dublin domination and sheer negativity around the sport, do the supporters of the eight quarter-finalists not feel extremely privileged to be at the centre of a festival of football in a near enough sold out Croke Park this weekend?
Good times 😁
The four teams from Ulster have never had the privilege of reaching the quater finals by beating a couple of weak teams like Dublin or Kerry used to.
Privileged is not understanding why there would be negativity around the team dominating the sport having an unfair advantage then expecting them to be grateful and privileged for having a fair championship format.
Quote from: APM on June 27, 2025, 11:15:54 PMAfter so many years of Dublin domination and sheer negativity around the sport, do the supporters of the eight quarter-finalists not feel extremely privileged to be at the centre of a festival of football in a near enough sold out Croke Park this weekend?
Good times 😁
It's an interesting era with little between several teams. I think we were already in a pretty open spell post Dublin domination with no outstanding teams but it could be that the new rules have flattened the curve even further. Time will tell is it a case of there being a bit of a vacuum and also teams adjusting to new rules or are we going to see a pattern where the sport is far more open.
Looking forward to Tyrone Dublin tonight. Remains to be seen really where both teams are. Tyrone are certainly in a better place than the rudderless ship of the previous three campaigns and there have been position signs over the past few months. Fact is though they have won 3 from 5 in the Championship and 2 of those were against Cavan. The Donegal win in Ballybofey was hugely encouraging but equally the manner of the subsequent Mayo defeat raised a lot of questions. As such here we are in an AI quarter final and it's hard to know for sure what you're going to get. McKernan injury very unfortunate.
Dubs not convincing either so far but there is plenty of talent there. You have to wonder now they are in a quarter final will they go up a level or two. I can't call it at all.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2025, 07:05:45 PMHot and humid weather so we'll see who's fittest.
Meath probably most likely to suffer in the closing stages.
Great to have 4 big games and no one can be sure who'll win.
Quick one for you. Why would Meath suffer the most in hot a humid weather? The majority of team and 20 to 23. Would weather hurt them more than a older team ie Galway
Save travels today folks, hopefully the start of a cracking weekends football.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 28, 2025, 09:30:45 AMQuote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2025, 07:05:45 PMHot and humid weather so we'll see who's fittest.
Meath probably most likely to suffer in the closing stages.
Great to have 4 big games and no one can be sure who'll win.
Quick one for you. Why would Meath suffer the most in hot a humid weather? The majority of team and 20 to 23. Would weather hurt them more than a older team ie Galway
They were out on their feet last 10 minutes v Roscommon.
Years in Division 2 and a lot of younger lads.
Wouldn't have the depth of fitness of a hardened oul team like Galway.
That said Meath will probably hit 1-5 without reply in the last 10😁 and win by 1.
Random pointless observation below.
Have we ever had as much northern (northern half of the country) representation in an All Ireland quarters as this.
You could draw a line from Donegal to Dublin and all counties are in the quarters.
Donegal borders Tyrone - Tyrone borders Monaghan and Armagh - Monaghan borders Meath Armagh and Tyrone - and Meath borders Dublin and Monaghan.
I'm now with Jim. The nerves are killing me having to wait to tomorrow. Want us to have been a 2pm game today now instead.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 28, 2025, 11:53:19 AMRandom pointless observation below.
Have we ever had as much northern (northern half of the country) representation in an All Ireland quarters as this.
You could draw a line from Donegal to Dublin and all counties are in the quarters.
Donegal borders Tyrone - Tyrone borders Monaghan and Armagh - Monaghan borders Meath Armagh and Tyrone - and Meath borders Dublin and Monaghan.
And Tyrone borders Donegal, Monaghan and Armagh.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 28, 2025, 11:53:19 AMRandom pointless observation below.
Have we ever had as much northern (northern half of the country) representation in an All Ireland quarters as this.
You could draw a line from Donegal to Dublin and all counties are in the quarters.
Donegal borders Tyrone - Tyrone borders Monaghan and Armagh - Monaghan borders Meath Armagh and Tyrone - and Meath borders Dublin and Monaghan.
Football lies on or close to the N2/A5.
Quote from: lenny on June 27, 2025, 08:19:51 PMQuote from: weareros on June 27, 2025, 08:01:03 PMDonegal by 3 - Donegal should have got Sunday, but still should have enough given the Louth game was a second half stroll.
Dublin by 2 - a hesitant vote but the Jacks likely to have their shooting boots on for this one. If they don't, Tyrone will.
Galway by 3 - have been very impressed by Meath this year but they are more vulnerable to goals on bigger pitches like Croker and Dr. Hyde. Galway also have a 2001 aura about them.
Kerry by 1 - Armagh have been the most impressive team this year. Win this and they will go all the way. But Kerry are still Kerry and will be up for it.
For me Armagh and Tyrone are certainties. The other 2 games are where we might see upsets. I do think Donegal will scrape through but I think Meath might just pip Galway. That would leave a semifinal where Tyrone would be looking for revenge for 1996 when Meath beat them with some beautiful football.
I think it's the other way round. Armagh/Kerry and Tyrone/Dublin very hard to call
The other two games , I just can't see anything other than Donegal and Galway wins. Probably both lucky and narrow wins , but just can't see anything other than those two getting through
The changes to the published teams for the 4pm game.
Donegal:
Shaun Patton
Finbarr Roarty, Brendan McCole, Peadar Mogan
Ryan McHugh, Eoghan Ban Gallagher, Ciaran Moore
Hugh McFadden Michael Langan
Caolan McColgan, Ciaran Thompson, Shane O'Donnell
Conor O'Donnell, Michael Murphy, Oisin Gallen.
Subs: Gavin Mulreany, Stephen McMenamin, Odhran McFadden Ferry, Eoin McHugh, Odhran Doherty, Aaron Doherty, Patrick McBrearty, Jamie Brennan, Niall O'Donnell,Daire O Baoill, Jason McGee, .
Monaghan:
Rory Beggan
Ryan Wylie, Kieran Duffy, Dylan Byrne
Ryan O'Toole, Dessie Ward, Conor McCarthy
Micheal McCarville, Gary Mohan
Aaron Carey, Micheal Bannigan, Ryan McAnespie
Jack McCarron, Andrew Woods, Stephen O'Hanlon.
Subs: Kian Mulligan, Ronan Boyle, Louis Kelly, Darren Hughes, Gavin McPhillips, Ciaran McNulty, Jason Irwin, Killian Lavelle, Stephen Mooney, David Garland, Karl O'Connell
GAA+ stream really is shit
My stream is actually behaving so far!
Monaghan having a good first half...
Quote from: meathie on June 28, 2025, 04:21:38 PMMonaghan having a good first half...
Early shooting wasn't good, Beggan has showed the outfield players the way since.
Quote from: red hander on June 28, 2025, 04:08:11 PMGAA+ stream really is shit
Your broadband rather than GAA+?
Donegal definitely a shade off it especially Patton. Monaghan hopefully won't rue all these wides.
Goal for Monaghan, has been coming they lead 1-9 to 0-9.
A bobbly strike is harder to save than a clean strike a lot of the time!
Patton's kickouts going astray, but a 2 pointer quickly substantially makes up for the goal. Mn 1-10 Dl 0-10
Thompson keeping Donegal in it
No way that was overcarrying poor call!
Quote from: screenexile on June 28, 2025, 04:31:49 PMNo way that was overcarrying poor call!
Aye, and Donegal through on goal. Poor call.
Monaghan six points in front. Coming up to half time.
Half time Monaghan 1-15 Donegal 0-11.
We look tired. Monaghan are first to every loose ball. Wiping us out on the kick outs too. Jim has a lot of work to do at half time, assuming we're still in this game.
Long way back for Donegal. They need to find some energy from somewhere for this second half.
That was brilliant from Beggan.
(https://i.ibb.co/NXkbvHs/Screenshot-20250624-163937-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nTVtG5b)
Monaghan have been outstanding there from front to back.
Wouldn't want to be left one on one with Stevie O'Hanlon!!
Patton has been very poor that half very unlike him. Only for Thompson Monaghan would be out of sight!
Quote from: bennydorano on June 28, 2025, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: J70 on June 28, 2025, 04:34:48 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on June 28, 2025, 04:32:52 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 28, 2025, 04:31:49 PMNo way that was overcarrying poor call!
Aye, and Donegal through on goal. Poor call.
Dreadful call.
And the Murphy mark called back, shocking rule.
Was his own fault shouldn't have called it!
Quote from: bennydorano on June 28, 2025, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: J70 on June 28, 2025, 04:34:48 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on June 28, 2025, 04:32:52 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 28, 2025, 04:31:49 PMNo way that was overcarrying poor call!
Aye, and Donegal through on goal. Poor call.
Dreadful call.
And the Murphy mark called back, shocking rule.
If you call for a mark, you have to take it. It gives no reason to ever call a mark, because you will get advantage anyway
Seven points down, and it could be more given a few of those Monaghan misses. Monaghan's press on the kick out, and their brilliant tackling is killing us.
I think we need a miracle. McGee will be on for a start. Maybe McBrearty too and just put Murphy in midfield.
Big Rory from downtown. What a man
The press on Patton's kick out has been excellent so far
Long way to go
Big Jim may get on the bus.
Monaghan good value for their lead, Donegal looking flat, their dynamic players like Ciaran Moore being well shackled, Gallen started well but faded, Thompson bar a 2 pointer anonymous. Monaghan tactically superb to date, but ref doing them no harm tbh.
Quote from: screenexile on June 28, 2025, 04:40:10 PMQuote from: bennydorano on June 28, 2025, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: J70 on June 28, 2025, 04:34:48 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on June 28, 2025, 04:32:52 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 28, 2025, 04:31:49 PMNo way that was overcarrying poor call!
Aye, and Donegal through on goal. Poor call.
Dreadful call.
And the Murphy mark called back, shocking rule.
Was his own fault shouldn't have called it!
Did he call it? I missed that
1-13 of Monaghan's 1-15 coming from turnovers and 1-8 of their scores have come from the Donegal kickout
Quote from: bennydorano on June 28, 2025, 04:44:01 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 28, 2025, 04:40:10 PMQuote from: bennydorano on June 28, 2025, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: J70 on June 28, 2025, 04:34:48 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on June 28, 2025, 04:32:52 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 28, 2025, 04:31:49 PMNo way that was overcarrying poor call!
Aye, and Donegal through on goal. Poor call.
Dreadful call.
And the Murphy mark called back, shocking rule.
Was his own fault shouldn't have called it!
Did he call it? I missed that
Yes he put his hand up. Ref had to call him back. He got the call correct on McHugh as well. He was well over the steps.
Thought Gallens point where he turned both ways could have also been a free out for too many steps. Think the ref is doing well and Monaghan good value for their lead. Donegal need to get a hold of it in mid field as they are living of scraps.
Lay off Paddy Neilan, he's doing a good job out there .......... so far.
Patton has given away 1-2 directly
Donegal don't play to the new rules. Too risk averse in shooting, don't kick enough and still need precision in kick outs.
That said I still wouldn't be surprised if they win...
The start to the 2nd half Donegal needed with three points in a row, gap back to 4 points.
Goal for Donegal just two points the difference now. 50 minutes played Monaghan 1-18 Donegal 1-17.
Donegal looking like the fresher team now
was that really a foul for the lineball in lead up to donegal goal?
didn't see replay but didn't thunk there was a foul, wouldn't have been given in open play
Level game with 20 minutes to play.
Whatever happens, fair fucks to McGuinness for getting them going
Donegal one point in front 52 minutes played when 7 behind at half time. Donegal 3 in front, can Monaghan respond? shooting and general play has taken a turn for the worst.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 28, 2025, 05:13:53 PMwas that really a foul for the lineball in lead up to donegal goal?
didn't see replay but didn't thunk there was a foul, wouldn't have been given in open play
Don't know if it's a thing but seems more frequent across a lot of matches to give free's if men sent over sideline with anything other than a shoulder, I thought it was soft enough.
Donegal energy here is serious.
Monaghan need a goal. Quickly
Monaghan's shooting is a disgrace for a county team. They deserve everything they get here, fair play to Donegal great comeback kept chipping away
Yeah Mon have been shocking in second half, heads went early
Donegal 1-23 Monaghan 1-18. Some game of two halves.
6 day turnaround? What 6 day turnaround? I for one, am shocked and appalled.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 28, 2025, 05:13:53 PMwas that really a foul for the lineball in lead up to donegal goal?
didn't see replay but didn't thunk there was a foul, wouldn't have been given in open play
Was thinking the same.
Donegal on top but the goal was the real momentum changer, and it's on the referee
Neilan spends most the game with his hand in the air. Reffing like a ladies game.
Some bottle job this..
Quote from: thewobbler on June 28, 2025, 05:28:14 PMQuote from: Tubberman on June 28, 2025, 05:13:53 PMwas that really a foul for the lineball in lead up to donegal goal?
didn't see replay but didn't thunk there was a foul, wouldn't have been given in open play
Was thinking the same.
Donegal on top but the goal was the real momentum changer, and it's on the referee
I'd be biased towards the underdog no doubt.
But the ref especially in this second half has given the rub one way only. Whether it's steps, press tackling, pushes in the back, charging. It's all been blown one way.
Put it over the bar ffs, absolutely crazy
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 28, 2025, 05:27:48 PM6 day turnaround? What 6 day turnaround? I for one, am shocked and appalled.
I'm shocked and appalled at Monaghan's second half collapse
Ball being spilled and players slipping everywhere
Donegal in total control this second half. With a two week break now they'll be hard to work with.
Impressive turnaround by Donegal. Odds on for Sam now
Very impressive. Hard to see them beaten this year for me
Can't win games when you aren't scoring in about 25 minutes
Hugely impressive 2nd half display by Donegal will take a top team to stop them from winning the All Ireland. FT Donegal 1-26 Monaghan 1-20
Warra 6 day turnaround.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 28, 2025, 05:35:56 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 28, 2025, 05:27:48 PM6 day turnaround? What 6 day turnaround? I for one, am shocked and appalled.
I'm shocked and appalled at Monaghan's second half collapse
I'm in shock here at the change. Like two totally different games of football.
Jim McGuinness, take a bow son!! 8)
Quote from: Tubberman on June 28, 2025, 05:34:00 PMPut it over the bar ffs, absolutely crazy
Heads were completely gone at this point. Donegal were terrific in the second half but that's an all time shitting the bed from Monaghan.
Monaghan ain't very good. What you get playing div2 games all year and an easy group stage.
Jimmy has used up all his whinges ahead of the semi final. He has nothing to rile up his team with now
A semi final exit beckons.
Brendan McCole didn't give McCarron a sniff. Even so, Monaghan left seven or eight handy points behind them across the game.
Nothing went for Monaghan in that 2nd half, not even the 'consolation' goal, most all the shots on goal were awful, most loose balls went awry, the passing poor, the ref's decisions were at times bizarre, Donegal won pulling up in the last 10 minutes.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 28, 2025, 05:45:45 PMJimmy has used up all his whinges ahead of the semi final. He has nothing to rile up his team with now
A semi final exit beckons.
It was beckoning at half time today. ;D 8)
Thought Mohan was brutal, Monaghan needed prime Darren Hughes in there and a Clerkin / Lennon along side him. McCarville was poor too while on. A MF obliteration in the 2nd.
Quote from: J70 on June 28, 2025, 05:41:05 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 28, 2025, 05:35:56 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 28, 2025, 05:27:48 PM6 day turnaround? What 6 day turnaround? I for one, am shocked and appalled.
I'm shocked and appalled at Monaghan's second half collapse
I'm in shock here at the change. Like two totally different games of football.
Jim McGuinness, take a bow son!! 8)
Jesus Christ people on here are really gonna lose it now
A poor refereeing call that led to the Donegal goal, but Monaghan were probably going to eventually lose.
A performance and win that tells us all it's Donegal's All Ireland title to lose now.
Quote from: J70 on June 28, 2025, 05:46:11 PMBrendan McCole didn't give McCarron a sniff. Even so, Monaghan left seven or eight handy points behind them across the game.
I could have marked McCarron out of it today, never got out of 1st gear, not a care in the world
Con out. It's there now for Tyrone.
McCarron a fantastic footballer in the league
Quote from: Fogarty on June 28, 2025, 05:55:06 PMA poor refereeing call that led to the Donegal goal, but Monaghan were probably going to eventually lose.
He was fouled.
Quote from: greatpoint on June 28, 2025, 05:51:41 PMQuote from: J70 on June 28, 2025, 05:41:05 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 28, 2025, 05:35:56 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 28, 2025, 05:27:48 PM6 day turnaround? What 6 day turnaround? I for one, am shocked and appalled.
I'm shocked and appalled at Monaghan's second half collapse
I'm in shock here at the change. Like two totally different games of football.
Jim McGuinness, take a bow son!! 8)
Jesus Christ people on here are really gonna lose it now
;D
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 28, 2025, 06:03:04 PMMcCarron a fantastic footballer in the league
He's a fine fine player, just didn't bring it today unfortunately
Monaghan really collapsed in that 2nd half... some of those misses were plain awful. Donegal raised it up and once the goal went in the game had an inevitability
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 28, 2025, 06:03:04 PMMcCarron a fantastic footballer in the league
Yip, always the same speed in January as in July.
Great comeback; Beggan's 2pter that hit the post was crucial, think Donegal got a score from the break, a 3 pt turnaround
Tyrone to win. Con not fit. New era for Tyrone GAA.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 28, 2025, 05:55:34 PMA performance and win that tells us all it's Donegal's All Ireland title to lose now.
Tyrone will take them out in the semi final
We should all get down on our knees and face Glenties tonight.
Managerial masterclass from Jim the Messiah
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Tyrone scoring at twice the rate of Dublin as they are getting 2 pointers.
Howard did really well? Would be hard not to do well when you pick it off the ground
Intermediate standard
Opening 15 minutes. Dublin 0-5 Tyrone 0-6
Dubs look the better team so far.
Dublin way ahead of Tyrone here could win this handy enough
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 28, 2025, 06:24:47 PMWe should all get down on our knees and face Glenties tonight.
Managerial masterclass from Jim the Messiah
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Is it me or are the commentators far more excited when Dublin score
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 28, 2025, 06:38:53 PMDublin way ahead of Tyrone here could win this handy enough
They'd want to tighten up in the handy two pointers though. They're keeping Tyrone right in it.
Was a handy free that too. If that gets you a free nowadays says it all
Quality not great but competitive 0-9 each.
Far more mobility in the Dublin team.Tyrone keeping in it rightly though.
Quote from: J70 on June 28, 2025, 06:41:10 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 28, 2025, 06:38:53 PMDublin way ahead of Tyrone here could win this handy enough
They'd want to tighten up in the handy two pointers though. They're keeping Tyrone right in it.
But as we saw in the previous game, 2 pointers are easier at the Canal end.
Dublin getting some amount of dubious frees here
Quote from: thebigfullforward on June 28, 2025, 06:46:04 PMWas a handy free that too. If that gets you a free nowadays says it all
The push on Costelloe was a clear free.
Hampsey on O'Leary wasn't.
Can't see either Dublin or Tyrone troubling Donegal on this evidence. Tight game though. Tipped Tyrone if Con wasn't fit. Still think they will pip this.
Was that not a clear penalty?
Quote from: gallsman on June 28, 2025, 06:49:02 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on June 28, 2025, 06:46:04 PMWas a handy free that too. If that gets you a free nowadays says it all
The push on Costelloe was a clear free.
Hampsey on O'Leary wasn't.
What about a push in the back on O'Donnell? That not more of a free?
Surely a foul on McCurry.
Nice to see on if the half a dozen touches on the ground finally blown.
Dublin get two frees for nothing and then a shoulder in back not given for Tyrone
Quote from: thebigfullforward on June 28, 2025, 06:50:25 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 28, 2025, 06:49:02 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on June 28, 2025, 06:46:04 PMWas a handy free that too. If that gets you a free nowadays says it all
The push on Costelloe was a clear free.
Hampsey on O'Leary wasn't.
What about a push in the back on O'Donnell? That not more of a free?
Sorry, forgot to jump in my time machine to the future and see that one when I posted my message.
The one on O'Donnell was a clear free missed by Coldrick. What the f**k you think it has to do with him being a precious decision correct and another one incorrect is beyond me.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on June 28, 2025, 06:51:01 PMDublin get two frees for nothing and then a shoulder in back not given for Tyrone
Unreal
Half time Dublin 0-10 Tyrone 0-11
McCurry and Canavan been quiet
McCurry making some poor decisions on the ball
That score at the end might give him confidence
Quote from: gallsman on June 28, 2025, 06:52:47 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on June 28, 2025, 06:50:25 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 28, 2025, 06:49:02 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on June 28, 2025, 06:46:04 PMWas a handy free that too. If that gets you a free nowadays says it all
The push on Costelloe was a clear free.
Hampsey on O'Leary wasn't.
What about a push in the back on O'Donnell? That not more of a free?
Sorry, forgot to jump in my time machine to the future and see that one when I posted my message.
The one on O'Donnell was a clear free missed by Coldrick. What the f**k you think it has to do with him being a precious decision correct and another one incorrect is beyond me.
Just think it's a joke how Coldrick seems to miss out on the most obvious frees when committed by Dublin players. Ignore me I'm just a bit worked up
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 28, 2025, 06:55:01 PMMcCurry and Canavan been quiet
McCurry making some poor decisions on the ball
That score at the end might give him confidence
Canavans been quite all year. Find it funny how people said these new rules would suit him and it's the worst I've seen him play for club or county
Costelloe was clearly pushed as he was shooting. He wasn't tackled. The ball wasn't played. He was pushed on the shoulder. That is a foul. The fact it was against Tyrone does not change that fact.
If you're whining about that you're, objectively, an utter moron.
Quote from: gallsman on June 28, 2025, 06:49:02 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on June 28, 2025, 06:46:04 PMWas a handy free that too. If that gets you a free nowadays says it all
The push on Costelloe was a clear free.
Hampsey on O'Leary wasn't.
At least he fluffed it
Tyrone too slow in moving the ball.
Dublin to pull away in 2nd half with the breeze.
Dublin way better here. How the f**k we're ahead I don't know.
Risk averse half of football. Neither look like All Ireland contenders however one will be into the last four after this game.
Quote from: gallsman on June 28, 2025, 06:56:53 PMCostelloe was clearly pushed as he was shooting. He wasn't tackled. The ball wasn't played. He was pushed on the shoulder. That is a foul. The fact it was against Tyrone does not change that fact.
If you're whining about that you're, objectively, an utter moron.
It was soft. If he's letting shoulders in the back and other physical hits go you'd think he'd be consistent with it. I don't mind it being a free but be consistent with your calls
Dublin have played most of the football, would appear to have expended much more energy and are a point behind, Tyrone have have been poor but a point ahead but if the first game is any guide the canal end is the end to he shooting into today, so you'd have to fancy the Dubs at ht. I don't think Tyrone can be as poor in the 2nd half tho.
Tight game.
Dublin with serious amount of bad wides. Possibly will come back to haunt them.
Dublin look more mobile all over the pitch but this will come down to who makes the least mistakes in the bad conditions.
Donegal deserve immense credit for a brilliant second half
Quote from: thebigfullforward on June 28, 2025, 06:58:31 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 28, 2025, 06:56:53 PMCostelloe was clearly pushed as he was shooting. He wasn't tackled. The ball wasn't played. He was pushed on the shoulder. That is a foul. The fact it was against Tyrone does not change that fact.
If you're whining about that you're, objectively, an utter moron.
It was soft. If he's letting shoulders in the back and other physical hits go you'd think he'd be consistent with it. I don't mind it being a free but be consistent with your calls
He missed a free on Gannon a few minutes before that. Was blatantly pulled down and was blown for over carrying.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 28, 2025, 06:59:14 PMDublin have played most of the football, would appear to have expended much more energy and are a point behind, Tyrone have have been poor but a point ahead but if the first game is any guide the canal end is the end to he shooting into today, so you'd have to fancy the Dubs at ht. I don't think Tyrone can be as poor in the 2nd half tho.
Definitely Tyrone have much more scope to improve
There's been a few bad calls but overall it's been level by the ref. He's not the reason Tyrone are playing badly.
f**k me, ever game we ever play, it's always the refs fault. Change the record!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 28, 2025, 07:02:50 PMf**k me, ever game we ever play, it's always the refs fault. Change the record!
Agreed!
We look like the team that played last weekend not the one that had a week off.
Quote from: Jayop on June 28, 2025, 06:57:48 PMDublin way better here. How the f**k we're ahead I don't know.
Tyrone 4 two pointers to none for Dublin is how.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 28, 2025, 07:02:50 PMf**k me, ever game we ever play, it's always the refs fault. Change the record!
Don't worry, I've done some giving out about our players too. But that was a joke of a decision to not give a free for a shoulder in the back. It's as clear a foul as you'll see ffs
Poor crowd here for this game - plenty gone home after the first one
There gallsman. I'll say that was soft too if it keeps you happy ;D
Quote from: thebigfullforward on June 28, 2025, 06:58:31 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 28, 2025, 06:56:53 PMCostelloe was clearly pushed as he was shooting. He wasn't tackled. The ball wasn't played. He was pushed on the shoulder. That is a foul. The fact it was against Tyrone does not change that fact.
If you're whining about that you're, objectively, an utter moron.
It was soft. If he's letting shoulders in the back and other physical hits go you'd think he'd be consistent with it. I don't mind it being a free but be consistent with your calls
Then whine about inconsistency of the ref rather than "soft frees" for clear fouls.
This is nightmare stuff from McCurry and Canavan.
How long until we see McElhom
Quote from: thebigfullforward on June 28, 2025, 07:14:45 PMThere gallsman. I'll say that was soft too if it keeps you happy ;D
;D
This is desperate.
Why would Costello shoot from there?
Quote from: gallsman on June 28, 2025, 07:15:21 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on June 28, 2025, 06:58:31 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 28, 2025, 06:56:53 PMCostelloe was clearly pushed as he was shooting. He wasn't tackled. The ball wasn't played. He was pushed on the shoulder. That is a foul. The fact it was against Tyrone does not change that fact.
If you're whining about that you're, objectively, an utter moron.
It was soft. If he's letting shoulders in the back and other physical hits go you'd think he'd be consistent with it. I don't mind it being a free but be consistent with your calls
Then whine about inconsistency of the ref rather than "soft frees" for clear fouls.
I am whining about inconsistency as well, don't worry
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 28, 2025, 07:17:20 PMThis is nightmare stuff from McCurry and Canavan.
How long until we see McElhom
Keystone cops stuff from the pair of them in the couple of minutes since this was posted. Dublin no better in fairness.
Poor stuff this from both teams
We have seen games where teams came out rejuvenated after the second half break, these teams must have had a glass of Horlicks and not a stimulant.
Decision making is insane. What the f**k was Kilpatrick at there.
50 mins played Dublin 0-12 Tyrone 0-14. Con O'Callaghan coming on.
Tyrone continually give needless passes to players who have men hanging out of them.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 28, 2025, 07:17:20 PMThis is nightmare stuff from McCurry and Canavan.
How long until we see McElhom
There you go
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 28, 2025, 07:31:21 PMTyrone continually give needless passes to players who have men hanging out of them.
Especially infuriating when they've the chance to kick a point.
Quote from: gallsman on June 28, 2025, 07:23:09 PMDecision making is insane. What the f**k was Kilpatrick at there.
Rinse and repeat.
Quote from: gallsman on June 28, 2025, 07:35:53 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 28, 2025, 07:23:09 PMDecision making is insane. What the f**k was Kilpatrick at there.
Rinse and repeat.
He does that all the time and I've seen it work less than a handful. I'd be hooking a man for doing that
Canavan looks like he is on skates all day. Always looks like he os slipping or off balance.
Take your points!!
Not good for the heart this and I'm a neutral
Morgan making some poor decisions here but Dublin press impressive
10 mins to play Dublin 0-15 Tyrone 0-16
How was that not a foul on Murchin?
Why the f**k do players shoot from that position. You've got a huge turnover. Keep the ball for a bit and make sure
Quote from: J70 on June 28, 2025, 07:45:53 PMHow was that not a foul on Murchin?
For sure. He was clearly pulled back.
Close close close.... Howard was tripped there for sure
I think next new rule is that they should make the posts another 6ft wide.
Some of the shooting in gaelic football is brutal.
Harte off, had a quiet 2nd half, actually a very quiet half for him
Dublin 0-16 Tyrone 0-17. 5 minutes left.
Cluxton misses a two pointer free, up the field Tyrone go to make it a two point lead.
Quote from: meathie on June 28, 2025, 07:48:38 PMClose close close.... Howard was tripped there for sure
Wasn't shown on TV.
This is like a Division 3 final
Tyrones decision making is terrible here time and time again
f**king carrying it into challenges. What's the obsession with that. Move the f**king ball on. How many times is that. Dublin are rubbish too. We don't deserve it
Tyrone are fcukin brain dead.
Hampsey dived there to win that free.
Never touched.
Tyrone got away with that one with Hampsey. Playing themselves into trouble.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 28, 2025, 07:52:28 PMTyrone are fcukin brain dead.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on June 28, 2025, 07:52:22 PMf**king carrying it into challenges. What's the obsession with that. Move the f**king ball on. How many times is that. Dublin are rubbish too. We don't deserve it
At least a dozen times in this game, brutal.
Tyrone lead by 3 points with 2 minutes left.
Have lads the wrong boots on?
A lot, on both teams, are slipping and sliding.
Deserved win for both Tyrone and stood up when it mattered but Christ that was a poor display from both teams.
I said it before. Dubs have lads with multiple All Irelands who you cant back to lead if CON or Kilkenny are not on it.
FT Dublin 0-16 Tyrone 0-23. Strong finish by Tyrone to reach the last 4. 2nd year in a row Dublin are knocked out at the Quarter final stage.
Absolutely infuriating performance from Tyrone but they dug it out when it mattered fair play to them.
Football bloody hell as they say.
Quote from: gallsman on June 28, 2025, 07:57:47 PMDeserved win for both Tyrone and stood up when it mattered but Christ that was a poor display from both teams.
Yeah, far too much faffing about by the Dubs up front, dropping shots short and turning down good opportunities for scores.
Tyrone just the better team.
If Armagh and Galway both win, is the Semi Tyrone v Armagh and Donegal v Galway as Armagh already played both of them?
Tyrone can play better than that but stood strong enough to easily hold off the wimpiest ever last quarter challenge from Dublin.
Congrats to Tyrone, i suppose it was slippy, but a strange game, looked like 2 poor enough teams after watching the Donegal 2nd half display.
Niall Morgan is in a bit of a run of stinking form.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 28, 2025, 05:45:45 PMJimmy has used up all his whinges ahead of the semi final. He has nothing to rile up his team with now
A semi final exit beckons.
Jimmy's whingeing matches?
Thought we were poor enough. Dazzler and Daragh not at it today. But a win is a win, so can't complain.
Tyrone didn't need to be at their best to win that pulling up. Writing on the wall for Dublin coming into that game, not good enough to win Leinster this year and only fell over the line against a poorly organised Cork last week. Their weapons of better fitness and strength in depth than their opponents in the knock out stages is no longer there.
Donegal hugely impressive in the 1st game will take some stopping now. Big Jim said afterwards the statement during the week was nothing to do with him and his players.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 28, 2025, 08:02:53 PMCongrats to Tyrone, i suppose it was slippy, but a strange game, looked like 2 poor enough teams after watching the Donegal 2nd half display.
Niall Morgan is in a bit of a run of stinking form.
I thought he was brilliant today apart from 2 or 3 mistakes. Was able to get his kickouts away which weren't happening the past few games. Kicked points too and cut out a goal chance and caught balls which were easy enough in fairness but under those wet conditions still did well
Should I be cheering for rain from now on?
Yes Tyrone/Dublin was a sloppy, even an ugly game, but because they struggled to score, I found it more interesting than all the exciting shootouts we've been watching. The intensity from both teams was great.
I find myself cheering for the defences these days. Of course I've always done that when watching Canadian or American football. Maybe I'm just weird.
Dublin were very poor today. Tyrone were ... less poor.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 28, 2025, 08:06:35 PMTyrone didn't need to be at their best to win that pulling up. Writing on the wall for Dublin coming into that game, not good enough to win Leinster this year and only fell over the line against a poorly organised Cork last week. Their weapons of better fitness and strength in depth than their opponents in the knock out stages is no longer there.
Donegal hugely impressive in the 1st game will take some stopping now. Big Jim said afterwards the statement during the week was nothing to do with him and his players.
What on earth are you on about. There was a kick of the ball in it with about two minutes to go. Closing it out with stone last minute scores is not "pulling up".
The amount of gulls flying about Croke Park!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 28, 2025, 08:00:08 PMIf Armagh and Galway both win, is the Semi Tyrone v Armagh and Donegal v Galway as Armagh already played both of them?
No. Could be Tyrone v Galway or Donegal v Galway as neither would be repeat pairings.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 27, 2025, 08:27:12 PMArmagh,Tyrone,Donegal and Galway to win for me.
Two down and two more to go tomorrow.
Tyrone have knocked out Dublin from the All Ireland
Quote from: thebigfullforward on June 28, 2025, 08:09:14 PMQuote from: bennydorano on June 28, 2025, 08:02:53 PMCongrats to Tyrone, i suppose it was slippy, but a strange game, looked like 2 poor enough teams after watching the Donegal 2nd half display.
Niall Morgan is in a bit of a run of stinking form.
I thought he was brilliant today apart from 2 or 3 mistakes. Was able to get his kickouts away which weren't happening the past few games. Kicked points too and cut out a goal chance and caught balls which were easy enough in fairness but under those wet conditions still did well
Yer hole.
Quote from: EoinW on June 28, 2025, 08:09:31 PMShould I be cheering for rain from now on?
Yes Tyrone/Dublin was a sloppy, even an ugly game, but because they struggled to score, I found it more interesting than all the exciting shootouts we've been watching. The intensity from both teams was great.
I find myself cheering for the defences these days. Of course I've always done that when watching Canadian or American football. Maybe I'm just weird.
Nothing weird at all about that. Love a good turnover or 2/3 lads forcing a player into an overcarry
Quote from: David McKeown on June 28, 2025, 08:13:39 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 28, 2025, 08:00:08 PMIf Armagh and Galway both win, is the Semi Tyrone v Armagh and Donegal v Galway as Armagh already played both of them?
No. Could be Tyrone v Galway or Donegal v Galway as neither would be repeat pairings.
Does Donegal in the Ulster final and Tyrone in the semi final count the same for previous Armagh meetings?
Will be hard for O'Rourke to not start McElholm next day out. Instantly looked electric and way more dangerous than either Canavan or McCurry. Canavan has looked exhausted since the club final.
Why is Tyrone's support not what it was? They used to be at Armagh levels but even with a resurgence under MOR there seems to be a lack of interest from a football mad county.
Quote from: J70 on June 28, 2025, 08:19:04 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 28, 2025, 08:13:39 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 28, 2025, 08:00:08 PMIf Armagh and Galway both win, is the Semi Tyrone v Armagh and Donegal v Galway as Armagh already played both of them?
No. Could be Tyrone v Galway or Donegal v Galway as neither would be repeat pairings.
Does Donegal in the Ulster final and Tyrone in the semi final count the same for previous Armagh meetings?
The rule doesn't seem to distinguish and is unique to semi final pairings.
If and I stress if Galway and Armagh were to win tomorrow then they couldn't meet.
Strange to say we still don't know where Tyrone are after beating Dublin by 7 points in Croke Park...but despite the win that was an exasperating performance. Key men in attack in particular were way off it and some of the decision making throughout the team was really poor. Anything like that in the next game and Tyrone will have no hope.
On the flipside, beating the Dubs in Croker should bring the team on, and even more so when they'll know they were far from their best. There's much much more in that team. It was good to see Darragh more like himself as the second half progressed and McElhom and Ruairi provided a much needed lift.
Have to single out Mattie who never stopped driving the team on. What a player and what a warrior.
That was an entertaining afternoon.
If Armagh beat Kerry then I wouldn't fear anyone.
Quote from: Orior on June 28, 2025, 08:39:18 PMThat was an entertaining afternoon.
If Armagh beat Kerry then I wouldn't fear anyone.
Would anyone fear anyone who is left. All at a very similar level for me.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 28, 2025, 08:38:55 PMHave to single out Mattie who never stopped driving the team on. What a player and what a warrior.
Unquestionably Tyrone's most consistent player. No messing, no f**king around, no losing the head.
Quote from: J70 on June 28, 2025, 08:12:31 PMThe amount of gulls flying about Croke Park!
Probably there to feed on the carcass of the Dublin team
I have one criticism of Mattie should be shoot more often he always carries the ball into shooting positions but rarely takes the shot on?
Unlike Harte
How did McGeary get motm. He got turned over loads of times and I don't remember him doing much of note.
Quote from: Mario on June 28, 2025, 08:45:57 PMHow did McGeary get motm. He got turned over loads of times and I don't remember him doing much of note.
Take up golf.
https://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1939020490951270774?s=48&t=2VlRuG4vJ-fcIX2gPs3ZfQ
Quote from: OakLeaf on June 28, 2025, 08:10:43 PMDublin were very poor today. Tyrone were ... less poor.
And Derry are taking in the silage
Quote from: Mario on June 28, 2025, 08:45:57 PMHow did McGeary get motm. He got turned over loads of times and I don't remember him doing much of note.
Cause he was class.... what Derry player won player of the year after yoyse won the National league and paraded it through Maghera!!!! You know what I mean mucker
When Kennedys hips finally give way they might see what they had
Is the following correct
If Meath and Armagh win then it's basically an open draw.
If Galway and either Armagh or Kerry win then Galway will play either Donegal or Tyrone and Armagh/Kerry winner will play the other.
If Meath and Kerry win then Meath will play either Tyrone or Donegal and Kerry will play the other?
Quote from: David McKeown on June 28, 2025, 09:04:14 PMIs the following correct
If Meath and Armagh win then it's basically an open draw.
If Galway and either Armagh or Kerry win then Galway will play either Donegal or Tyrone and Armagh/Kerry winner will play the other.
If Meath and Kerry win then Meath will play either Tyrone or Donegal and Kerry will play the other?
David. Relax. We've plenty to be getting on with tomorrow.
Quote from: mackers on June 28, 2025, 09:26:14 PMQuote from: David McKeown on June 28, 2025, 09:04:14 PMIs the following correct
If Meath and Armagh win then it's basically an open draw.
If Galway and either Armagh or Kerry win then Galway will play either Donegal or Tyrone and Armagh/Kerry winner will play the other.
If Meath and Kerry win then Meath will play either Tyrone or Donegal and Kerry will play the other?
David. Relax. We've plenty to be getting on with tomorrow.
Fair point well made
Semi final draw all explained here.
https://www.gaa.ie/article/all-ireland-sfc-semi-final-draw-x2907
I wish Tyrone would play that poorly against Cavan. They'd only beat us every year by 6 points instead of 12.
One more sleep.
In Robbie we trust
Quote from: gallsman on June 28, 2025, 06:04:38 PMQuote from: Fogarty on June 28, 2025, 05:55:06 PMA poor refereeing call that led to the Donegal goal, but Monaghan were probably going to eventually lose.
He was fouled.
It wasn't a foul and the ref let far worse go unpunished.
It was a foul. You can't push players over the sideline. What the ref did or didn't do on other occasions is irrelevant.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 28, 2025, 10:11:21 PMOne more sleep.
In Robbie we trust
It's the hope that kills you !!!!
# twoinarow
Quote from: gallsman on June 28, 2025, 10:23:38 PMIt was a foul. You can't push players over the sideline. What the ref did or didn't do on other occasions is irrelevant.
I watched again several times as I was surprised in real time that he got a free.
Definite foul. Pushed him out with his hands. No shoulder in sight. Ref might have got a few wrong for each side, but that was not one of them.
Coldrick let too much go in the second half. Bad decision making from the Dublin forwards but the ref 100% favoured Tyrone.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 28, 2025, 10:48:50 PMColdrick let too much go in the second half. Bad decision making from the Dublin forwards but the ref 100% favoured Tyrone.
With boring,dull Dublin out we can all move on and enjoy the rest of the championship now.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 28, 2025, 08:50:11 PMQuote from: Mario on June 28, 2025, 08:45:57 PMHow did McGeary get motm. He got turned over loads of times and I don't remember him doing much of note.
Take up golf.
I thought this board was all about opinions but seemingly not.
If someone doesn't agree, they just insult you
I was more than suprised McGeary got motm. He got overturned rather easily 2 possibly 3 times. I don't recall him getting a lotof breaking ball either. In fairness, there was no real standout candidate for motm.
just in from HQ
Monaghan will have huge regrets. They couldn't get out of their own way in the 2nd half but the game was there for them if they had kept the head and tagged on a few simple scores when they could. I dont know how many wides they had but it must have been at least 10 more than donegal. Thought the free before the goal was very soft but beggan was lucky he wasn't done for time wasting as well.
The 2nd game didnt get going until near the end. Dublin are a poor shadow of a few years ago. Tyrone probably deserved it but they got a few decisions near the end that helped them over the line
Was Sean Jones involved at all with Monaghan this year? He has good size and can score. Monaghan bench made little impact. David Garland been around that panel for years without doing much.
61,659 the attendance in Croke Park down on HQ expected 70k. They are expecting 65k tomorrow
Tyrone and Dublin were out on their ass in the last 10 mins, players cramping, not fit to run etc, loads of subs. Was their game really that much more physical than Monaghan v Donegal where the teams seemed much fresher despite scoring more?
Quote from: ardtole on June 28, 2025, 11:36:51 PMI was more than suprised McGeary got motm. He got overturned rather easily 2 possibly 3 times. I don't recall him getting a lotof breaking ball either. In fairness, there was no real standout candidate for motm.
Thought myself he gave away a good bit of possession. Mattie Donnelly was better.
Ciaran Daly turning into a great wing forward after alot of shite performances.... maybe that's why boys like malachy get paid the big bucks. They know mor than us ladies and gents....u know what I mean Mucker.
I thought McGeary was excellent. Good 2-pointer and did a lot of trojan work in defence. Kicked one free straight to touch but I don't remember the other instances of him losing possession. One of the few players to have a good 1st and 2nd half. Thought Morgan was in the running for MOTM too or Teague who got nailed by a blow to the head but never tired.
What an epic day, left home at 11am and just in at 12.30am. Don't know how we managed a 7 point win after such a poor performance but we'll take it.
The key word for me is potential. We're in an AI semi final and have only played well in one game this year, up in Ballybofey.
Canavan and McCurry had absolute stinkers today but they are great players. Cut out the mistakes and get those two in form and we'll match anyone.
McElholm has to start for me though, we need that burst of speed, creativity and line breaking. He has got something that no other Tyrone player has.
As a neutral can I ask an honest question of GAA board contributers.
Why do the majority have a disliking for Jim Mcguinness.
Any time I hear the man talk I find him to be mannerly, articulate and an interesting character; never takes the praise himself always puts it on the players and supporters. Stands up for his own and is incredibly proud of where he is from.
Compare him to Davy Fits or even Damien Duff a character who alot of people like. He's the opposite is always blowing his own trumpet and questioning his players.
I know who'd I'd rather have.
Quote from: straightred on June 28, 2025, 11:55:40 PMjust in from HQ
Monaghan will have huge regrets. They couldn't get out of their own way in the 2nd half but the game was there for them if they had kept the head and tagged on a few simple scores when they could. I dont know how many wides they had but it must have been at least 10 more than donegal. Thought the free before the goal was very soft but beggan was lucky he wasn't done for time wasting as well.
The 2nd game didnt get going until near the end. Dublin are a poor shadow of a few years ago. Tyrone probably deserved it but they got a few decisions near the end that helped them over the line
Monaghan had 12 wides to Donegal's 4. Both Monaghan and Dublin had 35 shots and scored 16 times. You won't win many games in the business end of championship with shooting like that.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 28, 2025, 10:48:50 PMColdrick let too much go in the second half. Bad decision making from the Dublin forwards but the ref 100% favoured Tyrone.
Assume you missed all the decisions benefiting dublin in first half?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 12:59:09 AMAs a neutral can I ask an honest question of GAA board contributers.
Why do the majority have a disliking for Jim Mcguinness.
Any time I hear the man talk I find him to be mannerly, articulate and an interesting character; never takes the praise himself always puts it on the players and supporters. Stands up for his own and is incredibly proud of where he is from.
Compare him to Davy Fits or even Damien Duff a character who alot of people like. He's the opposite is always blowing his own trumpet and questioning his players.
I know who'd I'd rather have.
Probably cause when hes winning hes full of smiles and fake gratitude. When hes losing he is blaming everyone and everything for being against donegal
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2025, 01:01:58 AMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 28, 2025, 10:48:50 PMColdrick let too much go in the second half. Bad decision making from the Dublin forwards but the ref 100% favoured Tyrone.
Assume you missed all the decisions benefiting dublin in first half?
He was equally bad for both teams which had no overall impact on a poor game.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2025, 01:06:10 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 12:59:09 AMAs a neutral can I ask an honest question of GAA board contributers.
Why do the majority have a disliking for Jim Mcguinness.
Any time I hear the man talk I find him to be mannerly, articulate and an interesting character; never takes the praise himself always puts it on the players and supporters. Stands up for his own and is incredibly proud of where he is from.
Compare him to Davy Fits or even Damien Duff a character who alot of people like. He's the opposite is always blowing his own trumpet and questioning his players.
I know who'd I'd rather have.
Probably cause when hes winning hes full of smiles and fake gratitude. When hes losing he is blaming everyone and everything for being against donegal
Can't remember him doing much complaining after Galway beat them last year?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 12:59:09 AMAs a neutral can I ask an honest question of GAA board contributers.
Why do the majority have a disliking for Jim Mcguinness.
Any time I hear the man talk I find him to be mannerly, articulate and an interesting character; never takes the praise himself always puts it on the players and supporters. Stands up for his own and is incredibly proud of where he is from.
Compare him to Davy Fits or even Damien Duff a character who alot of people like. He's the opposite is always blowing his own trumpet and questioning his players.
I know who'd I'd rather have.
I personally like him. I do think he gets a lot of stick probably from the style of football he introduced in his first term but none of it was against any rules etc. was it pretty? No was it entertaining? Only if you into snm. Was it effective? Too bloody right it was.
So I think that's where majority come from. But let's be honest the man knows his stuff and is probably the best manager around at the moment with regards to how his players respond
Quote from: trileacman on June 29, 2025, 12:33:37 AMI thought McGeary was excellent. Good 2-pointer and did a lot of trojan work in defence. Kicked one free straight to touch but I don't remember the other instances of him losing possession. One of the few players to have a good 1st and 2nd half. Thought Morgan was in the running for MOTM too or Teague who got nailed by a blow to the head but never tired.
Thought Morgan was strong yesterday as well. Has got to grips with the new kick outs now, and despite a lack of runners is hitting them well. Good to see.
Quote from: trileacman on June 29, 2025, 12:33:37 AMI thought McGeary was excellent. Good 2-pointer and did a lot of trojan work in defence. Kicked one free straight to touch but I don't remember the other instances of him losing possession. One of the few players to have a good 1st and 2nd half. Thought Morgan was in the running for MOTM too or Teague who got nailed by a blow to the head but never tired.
Would agree with you there on all points. If you watch it back you can see McGeary pulled up just before he took that free that went over the sideline. Someone on here said Morgan was poor today? Must be watching a different game. Got majority of his kickouts away and some good ones into the pockets on a bad day to likes of Kilpatrick
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 02:54:33 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2025, 01:06:10 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 12:59:09 AMAs a neutral can I ask an honest question of GAA board contributers.
Why do the majority have a disliking for Jim Mcguinness.
Any time I hear the man talk I find him to be mannerly, articulate and an interesting character; never takes the praise himself always puts it on the players and supporters. Stands up for his own and is incredibly proud of where he is from.
Compare him to Davy Fits or even Damien Duff a character who alot of people like. He's the opposite is always blowing his own trumpet and questioning his players.
I know who'd I'd rather have.
Probably cause when hes winning hes full of smiles and fake gratitude. When hes losing he is blaming everyone and everything for being against donegal
Can't remember him doing much complaining after Galway beat them last year?
Talking about this year. You must be living under a rock if you havent noticed him giving out this year.
Dublin put out of their misery
Hope for 4 Ulster semi finalists at close of play this evening
Tyrone don't really look like All Ireland winners but they might take another scalp yet, McCurry won't be as poor the next day
2 weeks is an awful long wait for the next game :-X
Quote from: tiempo on June 29, 2025, 08:52:47 AMDublin put out of their misery
Hope for 4 Ulster semi finalists at close of play this evening
Tyrone don't really look like All Ireland winners but they might take another scalp yet, McCurry won't be as poor the next day
2 weeks is an awful long wait for the next game :-X
Only if Meath or Galway move up the road! ;D
Quote from: thebigfullforward on June 29, 2025, 08:20:48 AMQuote from: trileacman on June 29, 2025, 12:33:37 AMI thought McGeary was excellent. Good 2-pointer and did a lot of trojan work in defence. Kicked one free straight to touch but I don't remember the other instances of him losing possession. One of the few players to have a good 1st and 2nd half. Thought Morgan was in the running for MOTM too or Teague who got nailed by a blow to the head but never tired.
Would agree with you there on all points. If you watch it back you can see McGeary pulled up just before he took that free that went over the sideline. Someone on here said Morgan was poor today? Must be watching a different game. Got majority of his kickouts away and some good ones into the pockets on a bad day to likes of Kilpatrick
Mcgeary made a bad decision at a crucial time trying a flick up instead of a normal pick up. Could have cost Tyrone the game mucker
Quote from: knockitdown on June 28, 2025, 08:50:30 PMhttps://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1939020490951270774?s=48&t=2VlRuG4vJ-fcIX2gPs3ZfQ
Is it just me overthinking it but what i took from this was the unnatural amount of times he said when Tyrone beat us. Trying to start the mentality of having to exact revenge on Tyrone again to win All Ireland.
It's often talked about how good it is to play in Croke Park and how often it lends itself to a better quality game. Being close to pitch side yesterday its unreal what a heavy shower of rain can do to the surface versus a regional ground.
The turf is so firm in Croker that surface was like ice, genuinely think the quality of the Tyrone v Dublin game nosedived because of it. You'd swear the players were wearing trainers rather than boots, serious number of touches on the ground given were a player slipped in the act of the toe lift, a lot of the time under little pressure.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 29, 2025, 10:07:07 AMIt's often talked about how good it is to play in Croke Park and how often it lends itself to a better quality game. Being close to pitch side yesterday its unreal what a heavy shower of rain can do to the surface versus a regional ground.
The turf is so firm in Croker that surface was like ice, genuinely think the quality of the Tyrone v Dublin game nosedived because of it. You'd swear the players were wearing trainers rather than boots, serious number of touches on the ground given were a player slipped in the act of the toe lift, a lot of the time under little pressure.
Clearly it affected the quality. Even in the last ten minutes of Donegal-Monaghan, there were a few handling errors and slips once the rain started.
Thank goodness for this message board! It'd be terrible to see all the Jim McGuinness & David Coldrick haters homeless.
Best of luck to Geezer and the boys today, you can do it - come on Armagh 🧡
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 02:54:33 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2025, 01:06:10 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 12:59:09 AMAs a neutral can I ask an honest question of GAA board contributers.
Why do the majority have a disliking for Jim Mcguinness.
Any time I hear the man talk I find him to be mannerly, articulate and an interesting character; never takes the praise himself always puts it on the players and supporters. Stands up for his own and is incredibly proud of where he is from.
Compare him to Davy Fits or even Damien Duff a character who alot of people like. He's the opposite is always blowing his own trumpet and questioning his players.
I know who'd I'd rather have.
Probably cause when hes winning hes full of smiles and fake gratitude. When hes losing he is blaming everyone and everything for being against donegal
Can't remember him doing much complaining after Galway beat them last year?
And the two biggest complaints this year (Hyde Park and yesterday's six day turnaround) both came after wins.
Great 2nd half from Donegal ... but we've now had 2 games where we've depended on one strong half to get the job done. That won't cut it in a semi-final.
Beggan's 2 pointer at the half - he was probably 50-55m out? And it cleared the posts with a good bit to spare. I'd say he'd have knocked it over from 70m. Unreal.
Quote from: StephenC on June 29, 2025, 12:44:38 PMGreat 2nd half from Donegal ... but we've now had 2 games where we've depended on one strong half to get the job done. That won't cut it in a semi-final.
Beggan's 2 pointer at the half - he was probably 50-55m out? And it cleared the posts with a good bit to spare. I'd say he'd have knocked it over from 70m. Unreal.
Beggan is something else. Effortless
Strange games yesterday - equally good and bad at the same time.
Monaghan did so well in the first half - but should have expected the response and been better prepared to manage the game in the second half - started panicking and feeling the need for two-pointers - kicked the game away. They'll have long regrets over this game. Donegal can probably breathe a sigh of relief that when they stepped up Monaghan stepped aside - a tougher game may have made that 6 day turn around a bit more relevant in the final quarter.
Tyrone v Dublin was the strangest game I've seen in Croke Park at this level - both teams carrying into tackles and passing into tackles constantly. It's odd that a bit of rain and slick conditions would have such an impact on a pitch such as Croke Park. Goldrick's refereeing probably left everyone equally perplexed - but at least he was erratic against both teams!
Donegal will be hard to beat if they can put two halves together.
Tyrone got away with one - and if they can sort out basic mistakes will probably match any semi-final opponent.
A lot easier to kick those when your team is already up by 4-5 points going into half time and the hooter has gone. Beggan missed the same kick when it mattered the most. Cluxton missed a vital one too. Perhaps the time has come for both to bow out and allow the younger generation to step up.
Of the 4 goalies on display, Morgan from Tyrone looked to be the best. Patton very lucky that his team were able to make up for his gift of a goal.
Did Robbie Brennan just say we'd hope to see Mathew Costello at some stage today after getting back into the 26 and him starting 😂
Is that him bluffing or would the interviews be made before the changes
The two team stood waiting for the national anthem to be played only to discover for double headers in Croke Park it's only played for the 2nd game as been the case for years.
Jesus this is horrible so far!
First score after 8 minutes from Shane Walsh, cagey stuff so far.
G. this, is slow paced
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 12:59:09 AMAs a neutral can I ask an honest question of GAA board contributers.
Why do the majority have a disliking for Jim Mcguinness.
Any time I hear the man talk I find him to be mannerly, articulate and an interesting character; never takes the praise himself always puts it on the players and supporters. Stands up for his own and is incredibly proud of where he is from.
Compare him to Davy Fits or even Damien Duff a character who alot of people like. He's the opposite is always blowing his own trumpet and questioning his players.
I know who'd I'd rather have.
How he treated Declan Bogue, a decent auld skin, was the act of a pure w**ker. All Bogue had done was asked a few county footballers could he track their county season and make a book about it. Jim was the only county manager who blew a gasket about it and threw Kevin Cassidy off the panel.
After the Donegal AI final win in the post match press conference he refused to start until Bogue had left the room. On the biggest day of his sporting career Jim was more interested in settling a grudge than winning an AI. It was a petulant childish act so forgive me I don't believe the "zen master" propaganda. He's a selfish w**ker without even mentioning any of the shit he has pulled since.
27 minutes played Meath starting to find their range after some poor shooting 0-5 to 0-3 they lead.
Pitch must be in bad shape again is it?
Some lovely football from the Meath men in the last few minutes.
Galway's attacking play has been shocking so far
Quote from: trileacman on June 29, 2025, 02:06:56 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 12:59:09 AMAs a neutral can I ask an honest question of GAA board contributers.
Why do the majority have a disliking for Jim Mcguinness.
Any time I hear the man talk I find him to be mannerly, articulate and an interesting character; never takes the praise himself always puts it on the players and supporters. Stands up for his own and is incredibly proud of where he is from.
Compare him to Davy Fits or even Damien Duff a character who alot of people like. He's the opposite is always blowing his own trumpet and questioning his players.
I know who'd I'd rather have.
How he treated Declan Bogue, a decent auld skin, was the act of a pure w**ker. All Bogue had done was asked a few county footballers could he track their county season and make a book about it. Jim was the only county manager who blew a gasket about it and threw Kevin Cassidy off the panel.
After the Donegal AI final win in the post match press conference he refused to start until Bogue had left the room. On the biggest day of his sporting career Jim was more interested in settling a grudge than winning an AI. It was a petulant childish act so forgive me I don't believe the "zen master" propaganda. He's a selfish w**ker without even mentioning any of the shit he has pulled since.
Well put.
Quote from: screenexile on June 29, 2025, 02:16:01 PMGalway's attacking play has been shocking so far
Trying to match Dublin from yesterday.
No All-Ireland i doubt from these pair. Galway been looking played out from early in the championship. Bit like Dublin yesterday, 3 games on the bounce against tough teams catching up with them. No Comer and Conroy, like most teams. Take 2 out 3 of your best players from a team and u treading water.
Quote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 02:18:29 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 29, 2025, 02:06:56 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 12:59:09 AMAs a neutral can I ask an honest question of GAA board contributers.
Why do the majority have a disliking for Jim Mcguinness.
Any time I hear the man talk I find him to be mannerly, articulate and an interesting character; never takes the praise himself always puts it on the players and supporters. Stands up for his own and is incredibly proud of where he is from.
Compare him to Davy Fits or even Damien Duff a character who alot of people like. He's the opposite is always blowing his own trumpet and questioning his players.
I know who'd I'd rather have.
How he treated Declan Bogue, a decent auld skin, was the act of a pure w**ker. All Bogue had done was asked a few county footballers could he track their county season and make a book about it. Jim was the only county manager who blew a gasket about it and threw Kevin Cassidy off the panel.
After the Donegal AI final win in the post match press conference he refused to start until Bogue had left the room. On the biggest day of his sporting career Jim was more interested in settling a grudge than winning an AI. It was a petulant childish act so forgive me I don't believe the "zen master" propaganda. He's a selfish w**ker without even mentioning any of the shit he has pulled since.
Well put.
He's actually still excluding Bogue from press rooms 13 years later. He's been asked several times by journalists what his problem with Bogue is and he's never explained why, problem because it's so petty and small-minded there is no explanation.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 02:19:00 PMNo All-Ireland i doubt from these pair. Galway been looking played out from early in the championship. Bit like Dublin yesterday, 3 games on the bounce against tough teams catching up with them. No Comer and Conroy, like most teams. Take 2 out 3 of your best players from a team and u treading water.
Looking like Donegal Armagh final unless Kerry show something.
Quote from: trileacman on June 29, 2025, 02:06:56 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 12:59:09 AMAs a neutral can I ask an honest question of GAA board contributers.
Why do the majority have a disliking for Jim Mcguinness.
Any time I hear the man talk I find him to be mannerly, articulate and an interesting character; never takes the praise himself always puts it on the players and supporters. Stands up for his own and is incredibly proud of where he is from.
Compare him to Davy Fits or even Damien Duff a character who alot of people like. He's the opposite is always blowing his own trumpet and questioning his players.
I know who'd I'd rather have.
How he treated Declan Bogue, a decent auld skin, was the act of a pure w**ker. All Bogue had done was asked a few county footballers could he track their county season and make a book about it. Jim was the only county manager who blew a gasket about it and threw Kevin Cassidy off the panel.
After the Donegal AI final win in the post match press conference he refused to start until Bogue had left the room. On the biggest day of his sporting career Jim was more interested in settling a grudge than winning an AI. It was a petulant childish act so forgive me I don't believe the "zen master" propaganda. He's a selfish w**ker without even mentioning any of the shit he has pulled since.
They are all fair points that I hadn't thought of.
I can understand why he was annoyed with Bogue and Cassidy though.
He was trying to change an absolutely toxic culture in Donegal football.
And had to stick 100% to his morals couldn't be making compromises.
Should have left his grudge with Cassidy and not Bogue though.
7-6. Eamon Fitzmaurice not bragging about the new rules as much today. ::)
Quote from: OakLeaf on June 29, 2025, 02:22:41 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 02:19:00 PMNo All-Ireland i doubt from these pair. Galway been looking played out from early in the championship. Bit like Dublin yesterday, 3 games on the bounce against tough teams catching up with them. No Comer and Conroy, like most teams. Take 2 out 3 of your best players from a team and u treading water.
Looking like Donegal Armagh final unless Kerry show something.
:D should Tyrone bother to turn up for the semi-final?
Quote from: trileacman on June 29, 2025, 02:24:48 PM7-6. Eamon Fitzmaurice not bragging about the new rules as much today. ::)
You not slagging off O'Rourke as much today ;)
Half time Meath 0-6 Galway 0-7. Meath will be happy to be competitive but I wonder are Galway doing similar to Donegal yesterday with conserving their energy for the 2nd half?
13 scores from 23 shot in that half of football.
Very cagey. Left a lot of scores behind. Feel like Galway have another gear in them.
Meath kicking any hope of an upset away.
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 29, 2025, 02:24:57 PM:D should Tyrone bother to turn up for the semi-final?
Probably not worthwhile 😀 Joking aside, they need a big step up from yesterday. They're capable no doubt, but time to get it all knitting together.
Cassidy was a great fballer and should played for Donegal another 5/7yrs.Its just this micro managing,he's a good manager but he was wrong with the way he dealt with Cassidy. As for Bogue, McGuinness should have common sense to let him bck into media after game matches. Probably a nice enough guy. But the image he projects, is that of a control freak.
Quote from: thejuice on June 29, 2025, 02:26:08 PMVery cagey. Left a lot of scores behind. Feel like Galway have another gear in them.
Feels like Meath need to throw off the shackles in this second half, and really go for it.
Yeah, the Bogue thing was ridiculous and only made/makes McGuinness look spiteful and pig-headed. Bogue is a very good journalist who was just doing his job in writing what turned out to be a fascinating book, but one which revealed nothing compromising, only complimentary, from a McGuinness perspective anyway.
Tyrone we're poor yesterday, but neither of these 2 teams are on anywhere near decent form either.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 02:30:55 PMTyrone we're poor yesterday, but neither of these 2 teams are on anywhere near decent form either.
Joanne Cantwell trying to use the warm weather as excuse for that poor half of football.
Donegal the team of the weekend so far.
Quote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 02:35:13 PMDonegal the team of the weekend so far.
2nd half performance yes, less so 1st half. So be interesting to see can Galway do something similar in this 2nd half now.
Ethan Rafferty doing great job on Shane Walsh so far
Another poor game.
Galway looking fairly toothless, but no doubt they'll win it with a last minute score
I didn't see the start of the game, did Galway drop D'Arcy and McDaid?
Is Robbie Brennan a Dub?
Ref contributing to a poor game too, far to keen to pause the game and not play advantage. He allows the defences to get set all the time.
He be best positioned to be Dublin manager but I think he stick with Meath another year.
Quote from: snoopdog on June 29, 2025, 02:49:20 PMAnother poor game.
its brutal stuff. Galway strolling around with no urgency, taking an extra touch when they don't need to. They might well get caught out
f**k this is a really bad game.! Goes to show new rules don't lead to good games all the time.
Was it raining before the game? Players slipping everywhere. A meath win opens up the semi final draw a lot.
How's that a Meath sideline 🙈
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 29, 2025, 02:57:33 PMWas it raining before the game? Players slipping everywhere. A meath win opens up the semi final draw a lot.
There was a bit of drizzle around midday
How is this pitch so slippy with a wee bit of rain? Far worse than most club pitches.
Rain earlier in the morning. Lots of slipping
Quote from: OakLeaf on June 29, 2025, 03:00:19 PMHow is this pitch so slippy with a wee bit of rain? Far worse than most club pitches.
cant blame the weather for that mistake by conroy
50 minutes played Meath 0-11 Galway 0-9. Quality of contest hasn't improved but it's all to play for and should make for a decent finish.
The pitch is a bit of a disgrace. The amount of slips in this game and Dublin v Tyrone isn't normal. It's not like there was torrential rain all day or anything, its light mizzle in Ireland FFS.
Thought Comer was out for the season?
Another poor ref allowing too many fouls.
2 men over, and you kick it wide? No harm to the ref, that was a foul on the Galway man there.
Was there a rule changes during the week that I missed that allows players to shove you in the back and no free given? Galway should feel hard done by. That is rubbish refereeing. And Meath goal came from another foul
surely that was a galway free before the goal.
Of course it's an Ulster ref.
Ref has had a mare for the Meath goal
Goal for Meath followed by a point. 55 minutes played Meath 1-12 Galway 0-9
Galway player was fouled before the Meath goal no matter what Fitzmaurice says.
G that looks like a red!
had comer made more of that it might have been red
And another foul 😂. At least they got that one but should've been a black
Scrappiest goal ever but I don't care
Quote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 03:06:28 PMGalway player was fouled before the Meath goal no matter what Fitzmaurice says.
Absolutely
Wondering where McDaid was, barely seen him all game!
game on
A two pointer and goal for Galwway, 56 mins played Meath 1-12 Galway 1-11
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 03:08:04 PMWondering where McDaid was, barely seen him all game!
He's not that long on.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 03:08:04 PMWondering where McDaid was, barely seen him all game!
He's only after being subbed on has he not?
That's a black card, straight pull down. Pitch is awful
Ah come on lads, this pitch is a joke. twice in 5 seconds the ball carrier slipped in possession.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 03:08:04 PMWondering where McDaid was, barely seen him all game!
Only off the bench sir
You may be correct as I hadn't seen the start of the game.
meath doing a monaghan. Momentum is all with Galway now
From 6 points down on 55 minutes Galway are level in 58th minute. Galway goal now in the 59 minute to lead by 3.
Caulfield knew exactly what he was at there.
What have the Croke Park grounds team been up to?
Quote from: straightred on June 29, 2025, 03:07:01 PMhad comer made more of that it might have been red
Stupid free because it led to a 2 pointer and then a bad kickout which led to the goal, 5 point swing
This is the pace, Galway should have been going at from the start.
Silly handling errors costing Meath big time.
Nine point turnaround in five minutes!
G Eamon Fitzmaurice, nice guy but his voice like the guy in Father Ted's lingerie espiode.
61 minutes played Meath 1-13 Galway 2-12
Quote from: trileacman on June 29, 2025, 03:02:06 PMThe pitch is a bit of a disgrace. The amount of slips in this game and Dublin v Tyrone isn't normal. It's not like there was torrential rain all day or anything, its light mizzle in Ireland FFS.
Definitely not normal. Visually the pitch looks in excellent condition so you'd wonder what has changed for the pitch to be this slippery.
The short kicks are always a risk
Goal for Meath from a big turnover. Meath 2-13 Galway 2-12
Costello doing what McHugh should have done in the first half.
Excellent by Costello there.
Do either of these teams actually want to win? Mad from McGrath.
We had a good 10/15mins, doesn't disguise the woeful 40mins b4 hand.
Great stuff in 2nd half. Mistakes costly on both sides.
5 minutes to play Meath leading 2 points.
Holy God in heaven
Morris is some bucko
Meath three points in front with 2 minutes left.
Galway don't deserve it. Conroy should have took that on in closer with the pitch conditions. Wide open defensively too. Thought we were bad against Dublin
Fitzmaurice says ''It's in the Meath DNA to never give up''
Has he been watching Meath for the last 25 years?
Paul Conroy not pushing in to take a point instead of trying for a 2pter means Meath keep a goal gap.
Two pointer for Galway one point in it. Less than a minute left.
Galway playing half paced 3/4 of the game bite them in the balls.
FT Meath 2-16 Galway 2-15. Best team won, apart from purple patch for Galway 2nd half they were poor today.
That group of death, got some drop out now.
Fair play Meath. Fully deserved.
Farcical end. Took about 40 seconds I think to take that free.
Meath deserved that
Some win for Meath
Galway rubbish but ref didn't help them
The Fancy Dans come short again!
How did Galway let them get the short kick away on that last play? Complete switch off.
Quote from: gallsman on June 29, 2025, 03:26:11 PMFarcical end. Took about 40 seconds I think to take that free.
Yeah that was a bullshit end to the game
Why weren't Galway allowed to get the kick out away? There was 15 seconds left when that free was kicked..
If you think Jim is a whinging manager, wait till you hear Joyce after this
Brilliant from the Meath team, plenty of that ol' time mettle.
Quote from: Silkyskillssunshinee on June 29, 2025, 03:26:59 PMWhy weren't Galway allowed to get the kick out away? There was 15 seconds left when that free was kicked..
Keeper didn't get the kick off before the hooter.
Quote from: gallsman on June 29, 2025, 03:26:11 PMFarcical end. Took about 40 seconds I think to take that free.
Hooter went after the ball went out. should there not have been a kick out?
Exhilarating second half. Proper throwback football. Better team won.
——
Somewhere along the line, someone really needs to challenge Pádraic Joyce about why all his key players are always injured. There's bad luck and then there's not learning.
Galway turning into the new mayo
Quote from: pjm on June 29, 2025, 03:27:03 PMIf you think Jim is a whinging manager, wait till you hear Joyce after this
He'll be another man gone I'd say!
Well done Meath.
A game broke out after Meath scored their goal!
Another manager vacancy?
Hope Tyrone get Meath. Don't rate them at all. Galway very poor..
Quote from: Estimator on June 29, 2025, 03:26:49 PMHow did Galway let them get the short kick away on that last play? Complete switch off.
Molloy the dope left Finnerty with a 2 v 1 in the corner.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 29, 2025, 03:27:44 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 29, 2025, 03:26:11 PMFarcical end. Took about 40 seconds I think to take that free.
Hooter went after the ball went out. should there not have been a kick out?
No.
Galway are getting like Mayo. The nearly men. Good win for Meath.
Quote from: Silkyskillssunshinee on June 29, 2025, 03:26:59 PMWhy weren't Galway allowed to get the kick out away? There was 15 seconds left when that free was kicked..
If you're placing all your eggs into a "win a kickout and get last score" basket, then failure is inevitable. Circumstances shouldn't matter.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 29, 2025, 03:27:44 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 29, 2025, 03:26:11 PMFarcical end. Took about 40 seconds I think to take that free.
Hooter went after the ball went out. should there not have been a kick out?
Was the hooter on time?
I've no idea of the rule if time expires when the ball is out of play.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 29, 2025, 03:27:44 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 29, 2025, 03:26:11 PMFarcical end. Took about 40 seconds I think to take that free.
Hooter went after the ball went out. should there not have been a kick out?
If the ball is already out of play following a score, a wide or for a sideline kick when the hooter sounds, the Referee shall signal the end of playing time on the sounding of the hooter.
https://www.gaa.ie/article/frc-recommending-adjustments
Great day for Meath but Tyrone, Donegal and Armagh/Kerry will be a step above.
Galway have more potential but far too many errors on the day.
Bizarre ending but that is the "great" new rules for you. Some championship for Meath to reach the last 4 totally against the odds and have beaten Kerry,Dublin and now knocked Galway out of the championship. Fully deserved win for Meath and kept calm when Galway scored 2-3 in 4 minutes. End of the road for Joyce with Galway?
Congrats to Meath. We were terrible.
Meath would not have been flattered by an 8 or 9 point win.
We haven't adapted our attacking play for the new rules at all.
I say that's Joyce gone, Galway been off the pace for a while now. Conroy will go. Still plenty of good players but defence needs looked at, keeper needs sorted. Sorta looks like they dropped bck the form of 22-24. Walsh and Comer probably only another 2yrs in them.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 29, 2025, 03:27:44 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 29, 2025, 03:26:11 PMFarcical end. Took about 40 seconds I think to take that free.
Hooter went after the ball went out. should there not have been a kick out?
Hooter is such balls, encourages teams to time waste at the end. Why do we punish keepers for time wasting but encourage teams that are leading to time waste. Terrible way to end a game.
Galway will probably never win an all ireland now will they?
Which is sad to see
Fair play to Meath despite not playing their best....there's an all Ireland in that team maybe not this year but in the coming years.
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 29, 2025, 03:28:33 PMHope Tyrone get Meath. Don't rate them at all. Galway very poor..
Be careful what you wish for! Galway got theirs.
No easy games from here on in.
If ref stops the clock when ball is dead, it shouldn't restart until ball is live again. It took him 20 odd seconds at least to stop the clock there I'd say. Then when time started again it was about another 10 before he actually kicked the ball.
They're applying it like when it's stopped at a scrum in rugby. Ref will indicate time in while they're still seeing the scrum.
Galway fucked around and found out. Meath full value for it but thought the ref sided with them overall.
Quote from: screenexile on June 29, 2025, 03:29:49 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on June 29, 2025, 03:27:44 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 29, 2025, 03:26:11 PMFarcical end. Took about 40 seconds I think to take that free.
Hooter went after the ball went out. should there not have been a kick out?
If the ball is already out of play following a score, a wide or for a sideline kick when the hooter sounds, the Referee shall signal the end of playing time on the sounding of the hooter.
https://www.gaa.ie/article/frc-recommending-adjustments
Afasics, the ball was on the pitch, the keeper kicked it a bit ahead and then the hooter sounded before he could take the kick out. I assume the ball is not back in play until the keeper takes the kick out.
Pulsating last 20 minutes. Deserved win for Meath. Galway will have regrets but they looked a tired team that still did excellent to come back from 6 down. Thought they'd close it out then so tremendous finish by Meath. Morris is some player.
Meath Will no longer be underestimated.
The one new rule I 100% like is the hooter. It eliminates the controversy with added time(like the hurling Munster final this year). I'd love to see it tried in hockey or basketball, rather than this ridiculous buzzer beater stuff or 0.1 seconds on the clock.
The end of today's game looked awkward, however you can't restart after the hooter has gone. No controversy.
Galway approached that game with no need to go full tilt football to 20mins from the end, at that stage they were 5pts down, At this level u need be going full tilt from at least 20mins in.
Would like to see it again. Gleeson may have kicked it out to himself before hooter
Is there a rule where the kick out can be taken anywhere within the 21 yard line?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 28, 2025, 11:29:14 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 28, 2025, 09:30:45 AMQuote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2025, 07:05:45 PMHot and humid weather so we'll see who's fittest.
Meath probably most likely to suffer in the closing stages.
Great to have 4 big games and no one can be sure who'll win.
Quick one for you. Why would Meath suffer the most in hot a humid weather? The majority of team and 20 to 23. Would weather hurt them more than a older team ie Galway
They were out on their feet last 10 minutes v Roscommon.
Years in Division 2 and a lot of younger lads.
Wouldn't have the depth of fitness of a hardened oul team like Galway.
That said Meath will probably hit 1-5 without reply in the last 10😁 and win by 1.
.hmmmmmmm.....
Would think that is the end for Joyce today, team needs a new voice. Fair play to Meath though, showing every other county what belief and a good management team can do.
Incredible that Kerry are now the most likeable team left in the championship. Dire times.
Meath deserved that. Better team overall.
Galway midfield weren't up to the task. Galway were out muscled all over the pitch. Bar Comer coming on Meath would've won that alot more comfortably.
Had meaths keeper been better at frees it would've been double scores.
Galway looked beatable last week, Meath had the height and strength to do what Down couldn't.
Are Galway fast becoming Mayo.
For all those complaining about the low scoring first half, the FRC were clear last winter. It wanted rule changes which would allow teams to play offensively but those who wished to play a controlled slower paced game could still do so.
I take that to mean their goal is not to have 50+ points every game, instead to allow for a mix of higher scoring and lower scoring games.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 03:45:42 PMIncredible that Kerry are now the most likeable team left in the championship. Dire times.
Would ya stop
Quote from: snoopdog on June 29, 2025, 03:48:35 PMMeath deserved that. Better team overall.
Galway midfield weren't up to the task. Galway were out muscled all over the pitch. Bar Comer coming on Meath would've won that alot more comfortably.
Had meaths keeper been better at frees it would've been double scores.
Galway looked beatable last week, Meath had the height and strength to do what Down couldn't.
Are Galway fast becoming Mayo.
I feel for Down. Walsh singlehandedly beat them last week. Had he performed like he did today then Down would have been in this Quarter Final.
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 29, 2025, 03:29:10 PMGalway are getting like Mayo. The nearly men. Good win for Meath.
Mayo got to finals, very rarely lost earlier than that until the terminal decline of that team started in 2018.
Galway aren't a comparable team.
There Kerry men playing there i never even heard of.
Ger Canning commentating. I'm off to synch the radio to the telly.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 03:54:10 PMThere Kerry men playing there i never even heard of.
Fancy Armagh to win this one with a few to spare.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 29, 2025, 03:52:17 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on June 29, 2025, 03:29:10 PMGalway are getting like Mayo. The nearly men. Good win for Meath.
Mayo got to finals, very rarely lost earlier than that until the terminal decline of that team started in 2018.
Galway aren't a comparable team.
Mayo got beat in 2016 and 2017
Quote from: Tubberman on June 29, 2025, 03:52:17 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on June 29, 2025, 03:29:10 PMGalway are getting like Mayo. The nearly men. Good win for Meath.
Mayo got to finals, very rarely lost earlier than that until the terminal decline of that team started in 2018.
Galway aren't a comparable team.
In fairness this Galway team has lost two finals - so they were getting to finals.
It's 14 years since Cluxton ate every moment of injury time on a free, making one person the sole evaluator of the gamesmanship v game management equation, and we now have people complaining that the transparent hooter system is unfair?
The mind f**king boggles. It really does.
Was there a band in Croke Park yesterday?
Quote from: EoinW on June 29, 2025, 03:38:23 PMThe one new rule I 100% like is the hooter. It eliminates the controversy with added time(like the hurling Munster final this year). I'd love to see it tried in hockey or basketball, rather than this ridiculous buzzer beater stuff or 0.1 seconds on the clock.
The end of today's game looked awkward, however you can't restart after the hooter has gone. No controversy.
But yet it hasn't been brought in for hurling.
I don't like it. Dublin used the last 2 minutes of yesterdays 1st half to mooch around with the ball without any intent to score, Tyrone dropped off them, Dublin dropped off their defenders and the crowd grew silent as we all knew that for the next minute nothing was going to happen despite the ball being in play. I saw several fans take out their phones. It's an awful buzz killer.
Likewise today, despite the helter-shelter 2nd half the game was over once Meath got the free on 69:20 the game was over, all they'd to do was kill time and kick the ball 30 yards wide. It's an awful anti-climax.
Way too many predictions of a comfortable Armagh win for my liking, I don't think it will be that easy
Is that pitch that bad, that when u bounce it, it goes away from u? No man wearing metal studs for this game, after watching the earlier games.
kerry will win this . 9/2 to win AI very generous odds.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2025, 03:59:01 PMIt's 14 years since Cluxton ate every moment of injury time on a free, making one personal the sole evaluator of the gamesmanship v game management equation, and we now have people complaining that the transparent hooter system is unfair?
The mind f**king boggles. It really does.
The hooter is fine. Even if it doesn't look great at the end like that where the game ends if the ball is out, it's perfectly fair, as time is treated the same as at all points in the game.
However the "time on/time off" needs to be looked at. That was absolutely farcical that a free could be awarded on about 69.20, the clock could subsequently be stopped and the kick was still the last play of the game.
Quote from: gallsman on June 29, 2025, 04:04:37 PMHowever the "time on/time off" needs to be looked at. That was absolutely farcical that a free could be awarded on about 69.20, the clock could subsequently be stopped and the kick was still the last play of the game.
That's the referees fault. If a player takes too long he's supposed to cancel the free and throw the ball up.
Should been in the net there!
Quote from: J70 on June 29, 2025, 03:34:01 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 29, 2025, 03:28:33 PMHope Tyrone get Meath. Don't rate them at all. Galway very poor..
Be careful what you wish for! Galway got theirs.
No easy games from here on in.
We were the easy draw weren't we?
I know that was as ropey a win as you'll ever see , loads of mistakes but we worked for every inch of it.
Thought after conceding that 2 goals they was it. Fair play to them. Conor Gray did fantastic coming on given how much he missed over the last few years.
Quote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 04:06:05 PMQuote from: greatpoint on June 29, 2025, 04:00:14 PMWas there a band in Croke Park yesterday?
No
Are some quarter finals more equal than others or what then?
Some move. On the time thing I don't understand why the clock goes on before the ref blows the whistle to allow the free to be hit.
G that's a foul on the Kerry man there.
Not fair on the players playing on a surface like that
Some save by Shane Ryan to prevent a Armagh goal. After 10 minutes Armagh 0-3 Kerry 0-4
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 03:56:41 PMQuote from: Tubberman on June 29, 2025, 03:52:17 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on June 29, 2025, 03:29:10 PMGalway are getting like Mayo. The nearly men. Good win for Meath.
Mayo got to finals, very rarely lost earlier than that until the terminal decline of that team started in 2018.
Galway aren't a comparable team.
Mayo got beat in 2016 and 2017
How is that contradictory to what I said?
Is manning about ? Long drive home lad
Quote from: Tubberman on June 29, 2025, 04:14:34 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 03:56:41 PMQuote from: Tubberman on June 29, 2025, 03:52:17 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on June 29, 2025, 03:29:10 PMGalway are getting like Mayo. The nearly men. Good win for Meath.
Mayo got to finals, very rarely lost earlier than that until the terminal decline of that team started in 2018.
Galway aren't a comparable team.
Mayo got beat in 2016 and 2017
How is that contradictory to what I said?
I didn't say it was contradictory.
You Mayo men easily triggered should you not be on the beer celebrating Galway getting knocked out.
3 fouls by Kelly now isn't it? Say he'd be in trouble come half time in terms of cards
Armagh taking way too may low % shots.
Quote from: thejuice on June 29, 2025, 04:09:09 PMQuote from: J70 on June 29, 2025, 03:34:01 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 29, 2025, 03:28:33 PMHope Tyrone get Meath. Don't rate them at all. Galway very poor..
Be careful what you wish for! Galway got theirs.
No easy games from here on in.
We were the easy draw weren't we?
I know that was as ropey a win as you'll ever see , loads of mistakes but we worked for every inch of it.
Thought after conceding that 2 goals they was it. Fair play to them. Conor Gray did fantastic coming on given how much he missed over the last few years.
But you got through it.
Another big win, another injection of confidence in a young team that they belong at that level.
Whoever gets you should now be well warned.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 04:17:29 PMArmagh taking way too may low % shots.
Yeah, there was one before Clifford's score where two or three turned down an easier shot than what they ended up taking.
Quote from: J70 on June 29, 2025, 03:34:01 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 29, 2025, 03:28:33 PMHope Tyrone get Meath. Don't rate them at all. Galway very poor..
Be careful what you wish for! Galway got theirs.
No easy games from here on in.
Tyrone have always struggled with Meath. Even when Meath were rubbish Tyrone could only beat them narrowly on 3 occasions between 2013-2018. The 2018 game went to ET and we were very lucky to come away from Navan that evening still in the championship.
The 2021 Minor final as well, Tyrone should have won that game easily but kicked themselves out of it and Meath won by a point.
Clear body check on Kerry defender there by Grimley I think.
Right in front of referee.
There's alot of minor fouls been let go here, it's either a foul or its not.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 29, 2025, 04:10:49 PMSome move. On the time thing I don't understand why the clock goes on before the ref blows the whistle to allow the free to be hit.
It's pure daft and introduces a needless flaw that's so easily avoided: If the clock is stopped while a player addresses a free, it should only go back on the moment he kicks the ball.
Don't understand the refs anymore. You're allowed to push people in the back and push them when they're bending their back but some fair challenges to win the ball are called as fouls?
Quote from: thebigfullforward on June 29, 2025, 04:11:04 PMNot fair on the players playing on a surface like that
Is it the surface or their boots?
All week-end players have been slipping and sliding.
Armagh not playing well so far
The shots that were coming off for Armagh last year not coming off today.
Quote from: marty34 on June 29, 2025, 04:25:28 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on June 29, 2025, 04:11:04 PMNot fair on the players playing on a surface like that
Is it the surface or their boots?
All week-end players have been slipping and sliding.
Has to be surface. No way players watched the games yesterday and didn't change the boots as McGinley said
O'Shea running riot for Kerry and Conaty for Armagh, Again another bad goalkeeper mistake for the goal.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 04:16:24 PMQuote from: Tubberman on June 29, 2025, 04:14:34 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 03:56:41 PMQuote from: Tubberman on June 29, 2025, 03:52:17 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on June 29, 2025, 03:29:10 PMGalway are getting like Mayo. The nearly men. Good win for Meath.
Mayo got to finals, very rarely lost earlier than that until the terminal decline of that team started in 2018.
Galway aren't a comparable team.
Mayo got beat in 2016 and 2017
How is that contradictory to what I said?
I didn't say it was contradictory.
You Mayo men easily triggered should you not be on the beer celebrating Galway getting knocked out.
I am 😀
its a great relief, can enjoy the rest of the championship now!
Goal for Armagh, Great finish after a poor kick out, Kerry respond with a point and two pointer from O'Shea . 30 mins played Kerry 0-12 Armagh 1-8
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 04:31:47 PMO'Shea running riot for Kerry and Conaty for Armagh, Again another bad goalkeeper mistake for the goal.
I'd blame the defender more for that. He'd turned away from the ball.
Quote from: J70 on June 29, 2025, 04:35:07 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 04:31:47 PMO'Shea running riot for Kerry and Conaty for Armagh, Again another bad goalkeeper mistake for the goal.
I'd blame the defender more for that. He'd turned away from the ball.
Agreed
Decent first half. Best of the weekend so far.
Armagh forcing things too much, Rian in particular.
Armagh 1 up at the break but not playing well at all
Quote from: gallsman on June 29, 2025, 04:38:16 PMDecent first half. Best of the weekend so far.
Armagh forcing things too much, Rian in particular.
Definitely. He's taking on fairly low percentage kicks too much.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 04:26:16 PMArmagh not playing well so far
I've asked a group about this. Are Armagh a little flat / conservative, or are they game managing it to blow Kerry away.
I don't know. And I'm not sure it's possible to lull Kerry into a false sense of security. They're always smarter than that.
Should be a hell of a second half.
That was a warm up bout.
Half time Kerry 0-13 Armagh 1-11
Armagh have been utter garbage and go in 1pt up, we'll take that.
Same thing again there with the keep-ball tactics before halftime. When you've Enda McGinley rattling on about control and game-management you know you've the wrong rules in place.
I know there was instances of keep-ball before and the hooter came in but it's now established practice across all levels to kill time.
Armagh a long way off what they are capable of however are leading at half time. Need a different marker on Sean O'Shea 2nd half.
Quote from: trileacman on June 29, 2025, 04:41:47 PMSame thing again there with the keep-ball tactics before halftime. When you've Enda McGinley rattling on about control and game-management you know you've the wrong rules in place.
I know there was instances of keep-ball before and the hooter came in but it's now established practice across all levels to kill time.
You're like a man swimming in clear blue, beautiful waters, on a sunny day on an uncrowded beach, surrounded by friends and family, complaining that some other family - keeping their distance - happens to be there.
You're upset but you don't know why.
Quote from: trileacman on June 29, 2025, 04:41:47 PMSame thing again there with the keep-ball tactics before halftime. When you've Enda McGinley rattling on about control and game-management you know you've the wrong rules in place.
I know there was instances of keep-ball before and the hooter came in but it's now established practice across all levels to kill time.
I know, absolute fuckaboutery
Casey staying 5m away from the big arc for Ryan's kickout, mad Ted
Very enjoyable game so far.
Paudi h/t? Or 5 / 10mins in?
I think Kerry have a few too many passengers offering v little that Armagh should exploit 2nd half
Sean O'Shea only other fwd stepping up with Clifford as expected being well shackled .. been unreal
Quote from: bennydorano on June 29, 2025, 04:40:06 PMArmagh have been utter garbage and go in 1pt up, we'll take that.
Armagh have an excellent press, defence and running game. It's their ridiculous passing strategy which is letting them down, Grugan, Rian guilty of some stupid kicks. They've scored 10/16 attempts, keep the ball, you're better than this Kerry defence.
I mean keep the ball. A Kerry team without Paudie, Tom o Sullivan, the 2 MFs aren't going to win the ball back off you.
Was there an Armagh breach of the 3 back rule just before the last score of the half there? Kerry players seemed to be complaining at the half way line
Quote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2025, 04:44:04 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 29, 2025, 04:41:47 PMSame thing again there with the keep-ball tactics before halftime. When you've Enda McGinley rattling on about control and game-management you know you've the wrong rules in place.
I know there was instances of keep-ball before and the hooter came in but it's now established practice across all levels to kill time.
You're like a man swimming in clear blue, beautiful waters, on a sunny day on an uncrowded beach, surrounded by friends and family, complaining that some other family - keeping their distance - happens to be there.
You're upset but you don't know why.
What the f**k are you on about?
Kerry need to get stuck in more. There was times there a hit was on but they didn't go for it, just stood off. If they throw a few shoulders into someones back they should get away with it. Refs seem to be letting that go
Armagh keeping Clifford very quiet. Same again 2nd half and they'll win handy.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 29, 2025, 04:47:59 PMWas there an Armagh breach of the 3 back rule just before the last score of the half there? Kerry players seemed to be complaining at the half way line
Yes a man came across halfway to take possession of it but whoever passed to him was still the other side of the line. More of a technical breach so a free on halfway rather than 13m but still a poor miss by the officials.
Anyone else notice Paudie grimacing during the warm-up? I doubt his injury is bad enough to keep him out for the majority of this game.
Kerry have played as well as you could expect, the goal aside. Armagh have much more room to improve.
Paudie on, soon find out if he's fit.
kerry haven't played it. With that breeze kerry by 4-6. Backed them at 6/1 to win by that.
This Armagh team is overrated. Kerry making hard work of.
Kerry need Clifford out round the halfforward line to get more on the ball, there 3 men on him as he gets possession.
Do Kerry want to be there? Not getting stuck in at all
Quote from: Dun Eile on June 29, 2025, 04:56:43 PMkerry haven't played it. With that breeze kerry by 4-6. Backed them at 6/1 to win by that.
This Armagh team is overrated. Kerry making hard work of.
Rian O'Neill knocking over that two pointer free shows the breeze doesn't matter much in this game. 1-16 to 0-14 Armagh lead 40 minutes played.
O'Shea not playing,Armagh be outta sight.
Clifford's get more room outside the Arc
Quote from: tyroneman on June 29, 2025, 04:51:35 PMArmagh keeping Clifford very quiet. Same again 2nd half and they'll win handy.
Clifford only racks up big scores against Division 2/3 teams.
Is Rafferty thick in the head? He's tried to hit Murnin 4 times in a row and lost every kick out
Cliffords running riot at the minute. Armagh need to sort the kickouts quickly
Rafferty f**king around way too much.
Great response from Kerry.
Just go long!
A few two pointers for Kerry and in flash they are leading again.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 29, 2025, 05:07:52 PMQuote from: tyroneman on June 29, 2025, 04:51:35 PMArmagh keeping Clifford very quiet. Same again 2nd half and they'll win handy.
Clifford only racks up big scores against Division 2/3 teams.
You'll maybe convince yourself one day that Clifford isn't one of the all time greats
It's easy to hem Clifford in. In the full forward line but u can't do the same out round half forward line. Kerry about 3/4 passengers here. Armagh need man mark P Clifford.
Some swings in momentum here. Thought 10 mins ago that Armagh were gonna cruise to a win, but Kerrys attack getting into it much better since
Joe O'Connor has been terrific.
Are you genuinely just allowed to push and ahoulder players in the back now and get away with it?
Surely a penalty
He tripped over Clifford FFS. Never a penalty.
Quote from: knockitdown on June 29, 2025, 05:13:37 PMSurely a penalty
Quote from: thebigfullforward on June 29, 2025, 05:13:27 PMAre you genuinely just allowed to push and ahoulder players in the back now and get away with it?
Kerry player was already falling before minimum contact.....
Thought it was a penalty but getting knocked by Clifford put him off balance and McCambridge helped him to the ground. It been harsh. Armagh not think about a goalkeeper change.
Game over. Armagh pulling away now.
Change the keeper! Though in all honesty, the long kickout to midfield is just a lottery!
Rafferty having an absolutely shocking half on the kickout. Armagh would want to wake up or Kerry will be out of sight
11 point swing. Armagh killing themselves but Kerry have really stepped up.
Game over.
Armagh are caving in
The one-in-a-row might be on here 8)
It's not over yet, still time left for Armagh
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 29, 2025, 05:07:52 PMQuote from: tyroneman on June 29, 2025, 04:51:35 PMArmagh keeping Clifford very quiet. Same again 2nd half and they'll win handy.
Clifford only racks up big scores against Division 2/3 teams.
I'd not bother posting the rest of the day if I were you.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 05:18:46 PMIt's not over yet, still time left for Armagh
not when they cant win a kickout
Just give Kerry Sam already
They could hit 35+ points at this rate.
Have Armagh been replaced by Longford?
Quote from: gallsman on June 29, 2025, 05:18:49 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 29, 2025, 05:07:52 PMQuote from: tyroneman on June 29, 2025, 04:51:35 PMArmagh keeping Clifford very quiet. Same again 2nd half and they'll win handy.
Clifford only racks up big scores against Division 2/3 teams.
I'd not bother posting the rest of the day if I were you.
Armagh playing like a division 2 team.
Quote from: Aristo 60 on June 29, 2025, 05:18:28 PMThe one-in-a-row might be on here 8)
The Tipperary hurling specialty.
Derry normally fold at this stage of been so far ahead, lol
We're in big trouble here. Not playing well at all.
55 minutes played Kerry on a roll now Kerry 0-27 Armagh 1-16. It was 1-16 to 0-14!
Armagh look totally deflated. Need to get hands on the ball now
Kerry far better. Getting stuck in and more physical but not over yet
Said it earlier armagh are weak at the back. As soon as their kick outs are put under pressure they conceded scores. Their whole game plan is based on retaining possession from kick outs and attacking.
They could still win this but need to get their kick outs away
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 29, 2025, 05:19:52 PMWe're in big trouble here. Not playing well at all.
No screaming at/about the ref this week?
Rafferty being exposed has been the losing of the game. Just shows you how important the keeper has become in the modern game.
Quote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 05:19:14 PMJust give Kerry Sam already
They could hit 35+ points at this rate.
Am I missing something or do you think this is the AI final?
Gavin White having some game. Clifford cleaning all out, but he finds room out round the half forward line.
Kerry doing to Rafferty what Monaghan did to Patton for 15 minutes yesterday.
Armagh too slow to make changes and Kerry happily punched holes in the sides of the ship when going was good.
Blaine Hughes must feel like a mug.
10 points in 10 minutes and keep kerry scoreless? Would be some miracle
30 points in less than an hour of football is outrageous stuff - nevermind the fact it's against the defending AI champions. Incredible attacking play
Great recovery by Kerry; thought they were cooked when Armagh went 4 ahead. Armagh kickouts a disaster. Gavin White is a monster, Clifford really turning it on now. No way back for Armagh, genuinely thought they'd win Sam again this year
Capitulation from Armagh here.
I tipped Kerry but Didn't think a performance like this was in Armagh.
Kerry trying to outshine Donegal with a hugely impressive 2nd half display.
Paudie Clifford made some difference. Pulled the strings there
Kerry averaging a point every 2 minutes.
Armagh going for goals last 3 attacks is stupid
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2025, 05:28:48 PMArmagh going for goals last 3 attacks is stupid
Heads completely gone like Monaghan yesterday.
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 29, 2025, 05:26:50 PMPaudie Clifford made some difference. Pulled the strings there
And Burns.
Quote from: gallsman on June 29, 2025, 05:29:18 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2025, 05:28:48 PMArmagh going for goals last 3 attacks is stupid
Heads completely gone like Monaghan yesterday.
Armagh gone out like a whimper a sad defence of their title
Fair play to Kerry, had all the motivation. Armagh will be back no doubt. Cian McConville is exciting to watch.
Oisin Conaty has been our only player to play anywhere near their potential. The rest a shambles.
G take a point and try hem then in
Not sure why Armagh have let Kerry get so many kickouts away.
They've been totally flat and after a decent couple of minutes after half time they've been horrible since!
Quote from: DaleCooper on June 29, 2025, 05:31:28 PMFair play to Kerry, had all the motivation. Armagh will be back no doubt. Cian McConville is exciting to watch.
Agreed. Looks absolutely electric any time I've seen him.
Glad to see they are sticking with goals otherwise they would be a whole lot closer to Kerry
Quote from: DaleCooper on June 29, 2025, 05:24:15 PMArmagh too slow to make changes and Kerry happily punched holes in the sides of the ship when going was good.
Blaine Hughes must feel like a mug.
10 points in 10 minutes and keep kerry scoreless? Would be some miracle
Blaine is honestly among the most shat upon players of all time.
Armagh were better with him. So much better.
You can have a back room staff of 50 and all the data in the world.
But if they're always looking for an edge instead of looking at the obvious, it's a waste of time. It's not data. It's not even information. It's gambling. And it makes zero sense. Makes even less sense in a set up so professional.
Sweeper keepers are for show. Real goalkeepers win things.
Nothing much more to see here....
MOTM be O'Shea, O'connor or White.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 29, 2025, 05:32:14 PMOisin Conaty has been our only player to play anywhere near their potential. The rest a shambles.
Pretty well shackled in the second half though and a lot of Kerry short kickouts going his way.
McCurry not get a black for that same challenge in '21?
The old Kerry cynicism also back in full effect and not being punished.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 29, 2025, 05:22:32 PMRafferty being exposed has been the losing of the game. Just shows you how important the keeper has become in the modern game.
Should they have kept with Blaine Hughes.
Rafferty had a total meltdown
Cawley some craic too 🤣
Jesus the lack of urgency here.
Bring Dennis Hollywood on.
Quote from: gallsman on June 29, 2025, 05:29:18 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2025, 05:28:48 PMArmagh going for goals last 3 attacks is stupid
Heads completely gone like Monaghan yesterday.
My youngest lad said to me there would it not be easier for them to kick 2 pointers instead of trying to force a goal.
I think giving away a big score shows issues in defence, even against Clifford and O'Shea
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 29, 2025, 05:35:25 PMThe old Kerry cynicism also back in full effect and not being punished.
Lol
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 03:32:49 PMGalway will probably never win an all ireland now will they?
Which is sad to see
Fair play to Meath despite not playing their best....there's an all Ireland in that team maybe not this year but in the coming years.
been saying this all year. Youngest team in quarterfinals. This will all add to them going forward next year and the year after. Best all round players since 96/04. Future looks very bright. I believe will dominate Leinster over next 5 years with our main opposition been Offaly. Louth I think will slip back , dubs are in rebuild mode. And Kildare are a basket case. We are the coming team with minor all ire winners and Leinster u20s yet to feature.
The future is bright the future is green and gold.
Hon the royal
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 29, 2025, 05:35:25 PMThe old Kerry cynicism also back in full effect and not being punished.
Haha
What happeneed their strongest panel ever? What happened rian back to save them? What happened rafferty best keeper ever? Stop their kicks out and they fold.
Strike around the neck only a yellow card 😂😂😂
Quote from: gallsman on June 29, 2025, 05:37:17 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on June 29, 2025, 05:35:25 PMThe old Kerry cynicism also back in full effect and not being punished.
Lol
The amount of late hits they've been getting away with is admirable. Can't blame them.
Rian showing true colours again
Dick Clerkin was right about this Armagh team.
I did think Armagh were in pole position for back to back earlier in the year.Muirin,Grugan,Forker, Campbell, I couldn't see been there nxt year.
Rian is a lovely person.
Not that it matters at this stage but surely that was a text book black card offence committed by Rian O'Neill?
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 29, 2025, 05:39:08 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 29, 2025, 05:37:17 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on June 29, 2025, 05:35:25 PMThe old Kerry cynicism also back in full effect and not being punished.
Lol
The amount of late hits they've been getting away with is admirable. Can't blame them.
Ah f**k off away out of that.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 29, 2025, 05:37:58 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 03:32:49 PMGalway will probably never win an all ireland now will they?
Which is sad to see
Fair play to Meath despite not playing their best....there's an all Ireland in that team maybe not this year but in the coming years.
been saying this all year. Youngest team in quarterfinals. This will all add to them going forward next year and the year after. Best all round players since 96/04. Future looks very bright. I believe will dominate Leinster over next 5 years with our main opposition been Offaly. Louth I think will slip back , dubs are in rebuild mode. And Kildare are a basket case. We are the coming team with minor all ire winners and Leinster u20s yet to feature.
The future is bright the future is green and gold.
Hon the royal
Great to win but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Nobody was later than McGrane hit in the bck.
Disappointing second half for the neutral, from a closeness point of view, but Kerry were simply superb.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 29, 2025, 05:39:08 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 29, 2025, 05:37:17 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on June 29, 2025, 05:35:25 PMThe old Kerry cynicism also back in full effect and not being punished.
Lol
The amount of late hits they've been getting away with is admirable. Can't blame them.
This is Big boys stuff. If the Ref isn't up to it then you push the boundaries.
They'll be hard stopped. Terrific performance.
Be hard beat but O'Shea wouldn't get that space against some of the other teams.
Just goes to show how difficult it is to go back-to-back. Alot of people had Armagh as the ones to beat, but Kerry just completely blew them away here
Whether Kerry and Donegal meet in the semis or final, the winners of that game wins Sam imo.
Game was tight to P Clifford came on and the Goalkeeper had a melt down. Who was picking up P Clifford, he run f**king riot.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:39:21 PMDick Clerkin was right about this Armagh team.
What did he say about them?
Quote from: thejuice on June 29, 2025, 05:40:31 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 29, 2025, 05:37:58 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 03:32:49 PMGalway will probably never win an all ireland now will they?
Which is sad to see
Fair play to Meath despite not playing their best....there's an all Ireland in that team maybe not this year but in the coming years.
been saying this all year. Youngest team in quarterfinals. This will all add to them going forward next year and the year after. Best all round players since 96/04. Future looks very bright. I believe will dominate Leinster over next 5 years with our main opposition been Offaly. Louth I think will slip back , dubs are in rebuild mode. And Kildare are a basket case. We are the coming team with minor all ire winners and Leinster u20s yet to feature.
The future is bright the future is green and gold.
Hon the royal
Great to win but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Agreed, but at least there should be a Leinster Championship again next year.
FT Kerry 0-32 Armagh 1-21. Who would have guessed that margin of victory?
It all came down to that period where the Armagh kick out was destroyed
Another delusional team gone. Come on Meath ;D
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 05:41:22 PMNobody was later than McGrane hit in the bck.
Sure that's happened all weekend and nothing done. Seanie O'Donnell for us and happened to Maher too. Rules must've changed during the week
Quote from: thejuice on June 29, 2025, 05:40:31 PMGreat to win but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Lol. You gotta love his optimism though.
When Kerry are mood to kick points like that, hard to live with them. He wasn't MOTM but there's no player in Ireland even close to David Clifford. Hard luck to Armagh - worthy champions and always bring great colour to any occasion.
Good to know in the group of death that Derry took all with them lol
Quote from: Dunneroyal on June 29, 2025, 05:37:58 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 03:32:49 PMGalway will probably never win an all ireland now will they?
Which is sad to see
Fair play to Meath despite not playing their best....there's an all Ireland in that team maybe not this year but in the coming years.
been saying this all year. Youngest team in quarterfinals. This will all add to them going forward next year and the year after. Best all round players since 96/04. Future looks very bright. I believe will dominate Leinster over next 5 years with our main opposition been Offaly. Louth I think will slip back , dubs are in rebuild mode. And Kildare are a basket case. We are the coming team with minor all ire winners and Leinster u20s yet to feature.
The future is bright the future is green and gold.
Hon the royal
How many of that 2021 minor team now playing senior?
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:45:09 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:39:21 PMDick Clerkin was right about this Armagh team.
What did he say about them?
Weakest team to ever win the AI.
Yeah because Monaghan is overrun with All Ireland medals ::)
Got exactly what we deserved out of that game. Kerry very deserving winners.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:45:09 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:39:21 PMDick Clerkin was right about this Armagh team.
What did he say about them?
Weakest team to ever win the AI.
They're better than the Tyrone team that won the 2021 All Ireland*
At least we can't get Tyrone!
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 29, 2025, 05:46:13 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:45:09 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:39:21 PMDick Clerkin was right about this Armagh team.
What did he say about them?
Weakest team to ever win the AI.
Yeah because Monaghan is overrun with All Ireland medals ::)
Seriously, just pipe the f**k down. When it comes to hubris, you live by the sword and die by the sword.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 29, 2025, 05:44:20 PMFT Kerry 0-32 Armagh 1-21. Who would have guessed that margin of victory?
I called a 4 point win for Kerry so not too far off 😅
Kerry would have won semi final last year save touch of bad luck.
Dont think anyone would begrudge possibly the hardest won All Ireland for McGeeney last year.
If rules had held they'd been in much stronger position to defend the title.
As such the rules reward people who can play football, not athletes.
Quote from: weareros on June 29, 2025, 05:45:46 PMWhen Kerry are mood to kick points like that, hard to live with them. He wasn't MOTM but there's no player in Ireland even close to David Clifford. Hard luck to Armagh - worthy champions and always bring great colour to any occasion.
Must go and see who it was that unequivocally declared Rian the best footballer in the country about 6 weeks back.
They not the weakest team to win an All-Ireland, they won a bad final last year, but showed all the right stuff this year.The goalkeeping issue they need to focus on. Plus they changed their midfield past 2 game. The defence next yr need major surgery. Great going forward, poor at actual 1 on 1 defending.
One thing is clear after the weekend: teams better start planning for rapid changes of approach when their kick out gets locked down.
Quote from: screenexile on June 29, 2025, 05:48:27 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:45:09 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:39:21 PMDick Clerkin was right about this Armagh team.
What did he say about them?
Weakest team to ever win the AI.
They're better than the Tyrone team that won the 2021 All Ireland*
Tyrone beat Ulster champions Cavan, Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo to win the all ireland.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 29, 2025, 04:40:06 PMArmagh have been utter garbage and go in 1pt up, we'll take that.
I'm a glass half empty type of guy a lot of the time but I could feel in my water all weekend it wasn't going to happen. I thought we got what we deserved, ht score was a miracle imo and we looked way off it from the start. Kerry were excellent and extremely easy winners but I thought we were terrible from start to finish.
Still an incredible team there so we'll be back.
Kerry awesome today, only thing is it's very hard to replicate shooting efficiency like that two games in a row. Anyone got the stats on their score to shot percentage?
Shaun Patton will be having sleepless nights if they draw them.
Stats just came up, 27 out of 38 chances converted, around 70%. Actually expected it to be higher.
Quote from: J70 on June 29, 2025, 05:51:37 PMOne thing is clear after the weekend: teams better start planning for rapid changes of approach when their kick out gets locked down.
The last few years have been like that. When Dublin were winning they were killing teams on their own kick out in the last 15 minutes. Kerry would do it to teams too - it's why they beat Derry that time.
You did wonder should mcgeeney have brought on hughes.
Quote from: screenexile on June 29, 2025, 05:48:27 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:45:09 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:39:21 PMDick Clerkin was right about this Armagh team.
What did he say about them?
Weakest team to ever win the AI.
They're better than the Tyrone team that won the 2021 All Ireland*
Nah, Tyrone 2021 had a tougher run and played better football. Last year's Championship overall was of a much lower standard. Indeed it was the worst quality season I can recall. Armagh deserved to win it though and their progress over the past few seasons and with a group of players who hadn't excelled at underage should be an inspiration to all. I wasn't convinced the new rules would suit them but they looked pretty good - until today. Margin of defeat actually flattered them.
Kerry looked very good. You'd have them and Donegal out in front of Tyrone and Meath at this stage.
Are we in danger of falling into the trap of over rating Kerry now?
Barring a unprecedented 20 minute meltdown before from Ethan Raffterty were they that much better than Armagh?
Outclassed by Kerry after the 40th minute. Armagh destroyed on their own kick outs, should Blaine Hughes have been brought on? Never got to handle of Sean O'Shea all match. Kerry had big impact off their bench and some thought they were lacking in strength in depth.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 29, 2025, 05:57:47 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 29, 2025, 05:48:27 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:45:09 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:39:21 PMDick Clerkin was right about this Armagh team.
What did he say about them?
Weakest team to ever win the AI.
They're better than the Tyrone team that won the 2021 All Ireland*
Nah, Tyrone 2021 had a tougher run and played better football. Last year's Championship overall was of a much lower standard. Indeed it was the worst quality season I can recall. Armagh deserved to win it though and their progress over the past few seasons and with a group of players who hadn't excelled at underage should be an inspiration to all. I wasn't convinced the new rules would suit them but they looked pretty good - until today. Margin of defeat actually flattered them.
Kerry looked very good. You'd have them and Donegal out in front of Tyrone and Meath at this stage.
No not sure about that.
Tyrone wouldn't have got within 10 points of Dublin. They didn't believe they could nor know how to do it. Mayo gave them a gift from heaven and they grabbed it with both hands.
Armagh were better winners.
And it hurts me to say it.
This Kerry team got 3/4 passengers and rely on 3/4 special players. They missing their midfield, so nobody under or over rated them, just better team on the day.
Was it a flash in the pan from Armagh?
They did lose two games leading up to this
Kerry were poor enough by reports (missed first half) and the first 10 minutes they were second best..
Why do teams not hammer and press kick outs all the time?
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:45:09 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:39:21 PMDick Clerkin was right about this Armagh team.
What did he say about them?
Weakest team to ever win the AI.
Clerkin is a gobshite and is bit rich coming out with that from Monaghan.
A team can do no more than win the All Ireland in a given year.. Tyrone constantly had to listen to that begrudgery. . Puke football.. covid All Ireland.. :D
Look at the Kerry and Mayo teams that tyrone played in 2021 and come back Wobbler?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 06:01:54 PMThis Kerry team got 3/4 passengers and rely on 3/4 special players. They missing their midfield, so nobody under or over rated them, just better team on the day.
Don't know about that now, there was Armagh fans thinking they'd beat Kerry by 8 points or more.
As long as Kerry have Clifford they have a chance
What a win. The better team won but as always the Galway supporters were very sporting in defeat. A credit to their county. What a difference a year makes. From a shambles to a well organised and scoring unit. Have to pick out a few outstanding players. First off sean rafferty. He has now kept David Clifford , Shane walsh, and Cormac Costello in his pocket and surely has to be a nailed on all star . Best full back in country this year by a country mile. Menton returning at his age putting in such an effort, keoghan finally will get the all star he so richly deserves. Costello what a performance after injury. And morris, what can anyone say a man who was stretchered off v Louth in league and everyone said his year was over to come back and be motm in an all ire quarter final.
I'm ecstatic. And some numptys on here dismissing this fantastic young Meath team saying we be beat out the gate. Well boys. What you think about that !!!!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2025, 06:05:12 PMWas it a flash in the pan from Armagh?
They did lose two games leading up to this
Kerry were poor enough by reports (missed first half) and the first 10 minutes they were second best..
Why do teams not hammer and press kick outs all the time?
We're going through an assimilation period.
It shouldn't be a surprise that Kerry get there quicker. They always have.
Meath shouldn't be a surprise either. For all O'Rourke's unwillingness to adapt to what is now old football, Meath got a jump start on new football by having him in place for a few years, as inadvertent as it may seem.
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 29, 2025, 03:28:33 PMHope Tyrone get Meath. Don't rate them at all. Galway very poor..
I'd say after Kerry and Donegal's performances, Meath will be hoping to draw you as well.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 05:45:52 PMGood to know in the group of death that Derry took all with them lol
The delayed effect from the bite of the Black Widow.
Jim will surely have donegal prepared for when they get penned in for when they inevitably meet Kerry.
Is the cat out of the bag with Kerry now have they showed their hand?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 29, 2025, 06:00:12 PMOutclassed by Kerry after the 40th minute. Armagh destroyed on their own kick outs, should Blaine Hughes have been brought on? Never got to handle of Sean O'Shea all match. Kerry had big impact off their bench and some thought they were lacking in strength in depth.
What more would Blaine Hughes have done out of interest? He'd just kick it straight down the middle and Kerry would more than likely win those too
Quote from: The Trap on June 29, 2025, 06:07:04 PMLook at the Kerry and Mayo teams that tyrone played in 2021 and come back Wobbler?
It's not that Trap.
Tyrone didn't fluke an All Ireland. I'm not suggesting it.
But they'd baggage against Dublin. Properly heavy, can't f**king carry baggage.
The way they approached the AI final against Mayo was of a team that knew they'd unshackled a burden. It was brilliant. Mayo weren't ready for that. But they didn't beat the best team in Ireland that year. Mayo did.
Is the rafferty experiment over?
Only won 60% of their kickouts.
End of line perhaps for following?
McGeeney
Forker
Murnin
Grugan
Grimley
Campbell
P Burns
Quote from: grounded on June 29, 2025, 06:09:55 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 29, 2025, 03:28:33 PMHope Tyrone get Meath. Don't rate them at all. Galway very poor..
I'd say after Kerry and Donegal's performances, Meath will be hoping to draw you as well.
Probably. Donegal and Kerry very poor in first half but took off in second half. Paudie Clifford a huge factor.
Last 3/4 years, Armagh , Galway , mixed in with Derry have been very decent sides but you are kidding yourself if you believe them sides have been the same quality of say , Dublin , Donegal , Kerry and Mayo of the last period say 13-18/19 ish type thing,I'm not talking honours either ,quality of 15/16&17 finals ahead of anything I've seen of late . Quality has been so average dubs snatched one with a team of OAP s . There has been a serious lot of hyperbole especially where Galway are concerned, if that were Mayo we'd be labelled everything from bottlers to chokers .
Quote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2025, 06:01:27 PMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 29, 2025, 05:57:47 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 29, 2025, 05:48:27 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:45:09 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:39:21 PMDick Clerkin was right about this Armagh team.
What did he say about them?
Weakest team to ever win the AI.
They're better than the Tyrone team that won the 2021 All Ireland*
Nah, Tyrone 2021 had a tougher run and played better football. Last year's Championship overall was of a much lower standard. Indeed it was the worst quality season I can recall. Armagh deserved to win it though and their progress over the past few seasons and with a group of players who hadn't excelled at underage should be an inspiration to all. I wasn't convinced the new rules would suit them but they looked pretty good - until today. Margin of defeat actually flattered them.
Kerry looked very good. You'd have them and Donegal out in front of Tyrone and Meath at this stage.
No not sure about that.
Tyrone wouldn't have got within 10 points of Dublin. They didn't believe they could nor know how to do it. Mayo gave them a gift from heaven and they grabbed it with both hands.
Armagh were better winners.
And it hurts me to say it.
Dublin weren't very good in 2021. They were asking to be put out of their misery in Leinster but their opponents didn't realise until too late that the Dubs were there for the taking. Mayo did. I think Tyrone would have beaten them but we'll never know. But Tyrone did beat a good Kerry team (a better side than the shambolic Kerry of last summer) and the aforementioned Mayo side.
Tyrone 2021 were a very good team, all the best parts of the Mickey Harte outfit which had been knocking at the door but freed from the strangling micromanagement. There was more improvement in them too with the right management but obviously that didn't come to pass.
Tyrone v Kerry
Donegal v Meath
Semi finals
Tyrone v Kerry
Meath v Donegal
Hopefully McGuinness will dry his eyes now after that draw
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 29, 2025, 06:06:50 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:45:09 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:39:21 PMDick Clerkin was right about this Armagh team.
What did he say about them?
Weakest team to ever win the AI.
Clerkin is a gobshite and is bit rich coming out with that from Monaghan.
A team can do no more than win the All Ireland in a given year.. Tyrone constantly had to listen to that begrudgery. . Puke football.. covid All Ireland.. :D
Did Clerkin actually say that? Before the Ulster final he wrote 'as reigning All-Ireland champions, they demand respect' and thought they could beat Donegal. He also said that Armagh still have a lot to prove before being ranked as serious AI contenders this year.
Dick has being proved absolutely correct, Armagh like Monaghan went out without a whimper
Quote from: tyroneman on June 29, 2025, 06:20:37 PMHopefully McGuinness will dry his eyes now after that draw
You draw Kerry and your first reaction is McGuinness? ;D
Donegal v Kerry final it is
Meath have had a fantastic season, but I think the way Donegal are going, they should get the win there. The other semi will bring a load of nostalgia around the buildup, but realistically Kerry are just a cut above the current Tyrone team
Quote from: thebigfullforward on June 29, 2025, 06:12:56 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on June 29, 2025, 06:00:12 PMOutclassed by Kerry after the 40th minute. Armagh destroyed on their own kick outs, should Blaine Hughes have been brought on? Never got to handle of Sean O'Shea all match. Kerry had big impact off their bench and some thought they were lacking in strength in depth.
What more would Blaine Hughes have done out of interest? He'd just kick it straight down the middle and Kerry would more than likely win those too
Hughes is simply better on kick outs.
Quote from: Main Street on June 29, 2025, 06:20:47 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 29, 2025, 06:06:50 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:45:09 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:39:21 PMDick Clerkin was right about this Armagh team.
What did he say about them?
Weakest team to ever win the AI.
Clerkin is a gobshite and is bit rich coming out with that from Monaghan.
A team can do no more than win the All Ireland in a given year.. Tyrone constantly had to listen to that begrudgery. . Puke football.. covid All Ireland.. :D
Did Clerkin actually say that? Before the Ulster final he wrote 'as reigning All-Ireland champions, they demand respect' and thought they could beat Donegal. He also said that Armagh still have a lot to prove before being ranked as serious AI contenders this year.
Dick has being proved absolutely correct, Armagh like Monaghan went out without a whimper
He said that yesterday's game against Donegal was Monaghan's biggest in 20 years
Tyrone will need a serious dollop of luck to overcome Kerry.
Meath could beat Donegal, do not write them off.
Hearing McGeeney has just told team he's standing down :o :o :o
Quote from: greatpoint on June 29, 2025, 06:28:25 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 29, 2025, 06:20:47 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 29, 2025, 06:06:50 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:45:09 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:39:21 PMDick Clerkin was right about this Armagh team.
What did he say about them?
Weakest team to ever win the AI.
Clerkin is a gobshite and is bit rich coming out with that from Monaghan.
A team can do no more than win the All Ireland in a given year.. Tyrone constantly had to listen to that begrudgery. . Puke football.. covid All Ireland.. :D
Did Clerkin actually say that? Before the Ulster final he wrote 'as reigning All-Ireland champions, they demand respect' and thought they could beat Donegal. He also said that Armagh still have a lot to prove before being ranked as serious AI contenders this year.
Dick has being proved absolutely correct, Armagh like Monaghan went out without a whimper
He said that yesterday's game against Donegal was Monaghan's biggest in 20 years
That was a weird statement. Surely the 13 Ulster Final, which he played in, was their biggest? They hadn't won Ulster since the late 80s.
He says things to get headlines- that's just another one of them.
Quote from: 5times5times on June 29, 2025, 06:30:01 PMHearing McGeeney has just told team he's standing down :o :o :o
On the RTE interview he said he'll give it a few week before deciding to stay on or not for a 12th year with Armagh.
Quote from: trileacman on June 29, 2025, 04:48:59 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2025, 04:44:04 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 29, 2025, 04:41:47 PMSame thing again there with the keep-ball tactics before halftime. When you've Enda McGinley rattling on about control and game-management you know you've the wrong rules in place.
I know there was instances of keep-ball before and the hooter came in but it's now established practice across all levels to kill time.
You're like a man swimming in clear blue, beautiful waters, on a sunny day on an uncrowded beach, surrounded by friends and family, complaining that some other family - keeping their distance - happens to be there.
You're upset but you don't know why.
What the f**k are you on about?
That you'd find misery in anything
Quote from: greatpoint on June 29, 2025, 06:28:25 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 29, 2025, 06:20:47 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 29, 2025, 06:06:50 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:45:09 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:39:21 PMDick Clerkin was right about this Armagh team.
What did he say about them?
Weakest team to ever win the AI.
Clerkin is a gobshite and is bit rich coming out with that from Monaghan.
A team can do no more than win the All Ireland in a given year.. Tyrone constantly had to listen to that begrudgery. . Puke football.. covid All Ireland.. :D
Did Clerkin actually say that? Before the Ulster final he wrote 'as reigning All-Ireland champions, they demand respect' and thought they could beat Donegal. He also said that Armagh still have a lot to prove before being ranked as serious AI contenders this year.
Dick has being proved absolutely correct, Armagh like Monaghan went out without a whimper
He said that yesterday's game against Donegal was Monaghan's biggest in 20 years
Most probably he didn't say that either.
Fair play to Kerry. A sensational performance. Armagh didn't do themselves justice but Kerry didn't let them. The end of a good Armagh team I fear. Fair play to all involved they've given us some great times.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 29, 2025, 06:32:04 PMHe says things to get headlines- that's just another one of them.
Plus, it was a quarter final. Weren't they in a semi two years ago??
Quote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2025, 06:37:01 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 29, 2025, 04:48:59 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2025, 04:44:04 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 29, 2025, 04:41:47 PMSame thing again there with the keep-ball tactics before halftime. When you've Enda McGinley rattling on about control and game-management you know you've the wrong rules in place.
I know there was instances of keep-ball before and the hooter came in but it's now established practice across all levels to kill time.
You're like a man swimming in clear blue, beautiful waters, on a sunny day on an uncrowded beach, surrounded by friends and family, complaining that some other family - keeping their distance - happens to be there.
You're upset but you don't know why.
What the f**k are you on about?
That you'd find misery in anything
😄😁
Quote from: DaleCooper on June 29, 2025, 06:29:54 PMTyrone will need a serious dollop of luck to overcome Kerry.
Meath could beat Donegal, do not write them off.
Big time. I honestly don't know what to expect as we haven't really played this new Meath team. I do know to expect serious effort and energy and, in Morris and Costello, some serious forward play.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2025, 06:37:01 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 29, 2025, 04:48:59 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2025, 04:44:04 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 29, 2025, 04:41:47 PMSame thing again there with the keep-ball tactics before halftime. When you've Enda McGinley rattling on about control and game-management you know you've the wrong rules in place.
I know there was instances of keep-ball before and the hooter came in but it's now established practice across all levels to kill time.
You're like a man swimming in clear blue, beautiful waters, on a sunny day on an uncrowded beach, surrounded by friends and family, complaining that some other family - keeping their distance - happens to be there.
You're upset but you don't know why.
What the f**k are you on about?
That you'd find misery in anything
And could you not just of said that? Who do you think you are? f**king Karl Jung?
Quote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2025, 06:37:01 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 29, 2025, 04:48:59 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2025, 04:44:04 PMQuote from: trileacman on June 29, 2025, 04:41:47 PMSame thing again there with the keep-ball tactics before halftime. When you've Enda McGinley rattling on about control and game-management you know you've the wrong rules in place.
I know there was instances of keep-ball before and the hooter came in but it's now established practice across all levels to kill time.
You're like a man swimming in clear blue, beautiful waters, on a sunny day on an uncrowded beach, surrounded by friends and family, complaining that some other family - keeping their distance - happens to be there.
You're upset but you don't know why.
What the f**k are you on about?
That you'd find misery in anything
There is a hilarious irony or a glaring lack of self awareness here. And I'm not sure which it is.
Quote from: Main Street on June 29, 2025, 06:37:51 PMQuote from: greatpoint on June 29, 2025, 06:28:25 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 29, 2025, 06:20:47 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 29, 2025, 06:06:50 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:45:09 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:39:21 PMDick Clerkin was right about this Armagh team.
What did he say about them?
Weakest team to ever win the AI.
Clerkin is a gobshite and is bit rich coming out with that from Monaghan.
A team can do no more than win the All Ireland in a given year.. Tyrone constantly had to listen to that begrudgery. . Puke football.. covid All Ireland.. :D
Did Clerkin actually say that? Before the Ulster final he wrote 'as reigning All-Ireland champions, they demand respect' and thought they could beat Donegal. He also said that Armagh still have a lot to prove before being ranked as serious AI contenders this year.
Dick has being proved absolutely correct, Armagh like Monaghan went out without a whimper
He said that yesterday's game against Donegal was Monaghan's biggest in 20 years
Most probably he didn't say that either.
https://youtu.be/KR0bDGUlI8k?si=6XwbwjMTvMqpxqgp
34:00
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 29, 2025, 03:28:33 PMHope Tyrone get Meath. Don't rate them at all. Galway very poor..
We'll see you in the final so. You can have ago at us then! ;)
Paddy Power odds
To win the All Ireland
Donegal 7/5
Kerry 6/4
Tyrone 4/1
Meath 11/1
The matches
Donegal 2/7 Meath 7/2
Tyrone 21/10 Kerry 8/15
Will they just put the minors back a week and do a double header. Would make sense and give the lads a bigger day out!
Quote from: Main Street on June 29, 2025, 06:37:51 PMQuote from: greatpoint on June 29, 2025, 06:28:25 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 29, 2025, 06:20:47 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 29, 2025, 06:06:50 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:45:09 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:39:21 PMDick Clerkin was right about this Armagh team.
What did he say about them?
Weakest team to ever win the AI.
Clerkin is a gobshite and is bit rich coming out with that from Monaghan.
A team can do no more than win the All Ireland in a given year.. Tyrone constantly had to listen to that begrudgery. . Puke football.. covid All Ireland.. :D
Did Clerkin actually say that? Before the Ulster final he wrote 'as reigning All-Ireland champions, they demand respect' and thought they could beat Donegal. He also said that Armagh still have a lot to prove before being ranked as serious AI contenders this year.
Dick has being proved absolutely correct, Armagh like Monaghan went out without a whimper
He said that yesterday's game against Donegal was Monaghan's biggest in 20 years
Most probably he didn't say that either.
He did say it on the Indo podcast the other day.
Quote from: greatpoint on June 29, 2025, 06:53:11 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 29, 2025, 06:37:51 PMQuote from: greatpoint on June 29, 2025, 06:28:25 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 29, 2025, 06:20:47 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 29, 2025, 06:06:50 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:45:09 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:39:21 PMDick Clerkin was right about this Armagh team.
What did he say about them?
Weakest team to ever win the AI.
Clerkin is a gobshite and is bit rich coming out with that from Monaghan.
A team can do no more than win the All Ireland in a given year.. Tyrone constantly had to listen to that begrudgery. . Puke football.. covid All Ireland.. :D
Did Clerkin actually say that? Before the Ulster final he wrote 'as reigning All-Ireland champions, they demand respect' and thought they could beat Donegal. He also said that Armagh still have a lot to prove before being ranked as serious AI contenders this year.
Dick has being proved absolutely correct, Armagh like Monaghan went out without a whimper
He said that yesterday's game against Donegal was Monaghan's biggest in 20 years
Most probably he didn't say that either.
https://youtu.be/KR0bDGUlI8k?si=6XwbwjMTvMqpxqgp
34:00
Then he was wrong, it was at best the 2nd most important game Monaghan were to be involved in since the sf v Kerry in the last century. Is that the best you have got against Dick? being over optimistic about his own counties chances in their bid to reach the AI semi final?
Tyrone will be happy to share the same pitch with Kerry, learning what they can and seeing how they can improve for the future. Even games you lose can be learning experiences.
Kerry will now win the All-Ireland so it's a matter of housekeeping until the Sam returns to the Kingdom.
I know the Tyrone ones will be at the bolloxology for a fortnight now but really what have they got to fear? Kerry's full hand on display today, MOR is the man to put a plan in place and Tyrone have the forwards to beat anyone. Free shot. I'd say Tyrone & Donegal would both beat Kerry tbh.
For all of Jim's complaining, Donegal only having to beat Monaghan and Meath in the knockouts to reach an All Ireland final is extremely fortunate.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 29, 2025, 07:51:59 PMI know the Tyrone ones will be at the bolloxology for a fortnight now but really what have they got to fear? Kerry's full hand on display today, MOR is the man to put a plan in place and Tyrone have the forwards to beat anyone. Free shot. I'd say Tyrone & Donegal would both beat Kerry tbh.
They'll need Kilpatrick and Kennedy to really step up if they're going to put manners on O'Connor. He was unreal today.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 29, 2025, 07:51:59 PMI know the Tyrone ones will be at the bolloxology for a fortnight now but really what have they got to fear? Kerry's full hand on display today, MOR is the man to put a plan in place and Tyrone have the forwards to beat anyone. Free shot. I'd say Tyrone & Donegal would both beat Kerry tbh.
All the inside forwards for Tyrone are small and nippy. Meath have Costello, Kerry have Clifford, Donegal with a few options.
They need some size to mix it up.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 08:00:27 PMFor all of Jim's complaining, Donegal only having to beat Monaghan and Meath in the knockouts to reach an All Ireland final is extremely fortunate.
I thought even after last years final , that Donegal will win it this year. Now I'm convinced of it. Every little thing is going for them this year.
Well done to Kerry- no complaints we just were not at the races and they were. Seanie O'Shea was excellent, thought McCambridge done a reasonable job on Clifford but he's not going to be stopped when he's on form.
We've got some of the best fans in the country and some of the worst. Wankers that can't wait to stick the boot in to players and management.
We'll be back although unfortunately a few of those lads may not be, unreal servants and owe us absolutely nothing.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 08:00:27 PMFor all of Jim's complaining, Donegal only having to beat Monaghan and Meath in the knockouts to reach an All Ireland final is extremely fortunate.
Louth, Monaghan and Meath. You forgot Louth
Quote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 08:57:57 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 08:00:27 PMFor all of Jim's complaining, Donegal only having to beat Monaghan and Meath in the knockouts to reach an All Ireland final is extremely fortunate.
Louth, Monaghan and Meath. You forgot Louth
You forgot they had to beat Mayo virtually away also.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 29, 2025, 08:54:06 PMWell done to Kerry- no complaints we just were not at the races and they were. Seanie O'Shea was excellent, thought McCambridge done a reasonable job on Clifford but he's not going to be stopped when he's on form.
We've got some of the best fans in the country and some of the worst. Wankers that can't wait to stick the boot in to players and management.
We'll be back although unfortunately a few of those lads may not be, unreal servants and owe us absolutely nothing.
Every county has their good supporters and wankers too
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 29, 2025, 08:59:51 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 08:57:57 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 08:00:27 PMFor all of Jim's complaining, Donegal only having to beat Monaghan and Meath in the knockouts to reach an All Ireland final is extremely fortunate.
Louth, Monaghan and Meath. You forgot Louth
You forgot they had to beat Mayo virtually away also.
True, that will have been their last toughest game until they make the Final.
Quote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 09:01:30 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on June 29, 2025, 08:59:51 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 08:57:57 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 08:00:27 PMFor all of Jim's complaining, Donegal only having to beat Monaghan and Meath in the knockouts to reach an All Ireland final is extremely fortunate.
Louth, Monaghan and Meath. You forgot Louth
You forgot they had to beat Mayo virtually away also.
True, that will have been their last toughest game until they make the Final.
They also had to play Derry, Monaghan, Down and Armagh in Ulster.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 29, 2025, 09:05:20 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 09:01:30 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on June 29, 2025, 08:59:51 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 08:57:57 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 08:00:27 PMFor all of Jim's complaining, Donegal only having to beat Monaghan and Meath in the knockouts to reach an All Ireland final is extremely fortunate.
Louth, Monaghan and Meath. You forgot Louth
You forgot they had to beat Mayo virtually away also.
True, that will have been their last toughest game until they make the Final.
They also had to play Derry, Monaghan, Down and Armagh in Ulster.
Don't cloud the issue for them with facts!
FFS before today, Kerry had Cavan, Meath, Cork and Roscommon after a handy Munster.
Tyrone had us, Cavan and Mayo since losing to Armagh.
It is amusing how dismissive they are of Meath so they can get a dig in at Jim.
Different competition kid, 2yrs from now a Ulster championship just be 1 foot up the ladder from the NFL title.
Double header Quarter finals attendances the last three years.
2025
Saturday 61,659 Dublin v Tyrone and Monaghan v Donegal
Sunday 70,530 Galway v Meath and Armagh v Kerry
Total 132,189
2024
Saturday 49,896 Dublin v Galway and Armagh v Roscommon
Sunday 47,406 Donegal v Louth and Kerry v Derry
Total 97,302
2023
Saturday 57,570 Armagh v Monaghan and Kerry v Tyrone
Sunday 82,300 for Mayo v Dublin and Derry v Cork
Total 139,870
Quote from: 5times5times on June 29, 2025, 06:13:26 PMIs the rafferty experiment over?
Only won 60% of their kickouts.
End of line perhaps for following?
McGeeney
Forker
Murnin
Grugan
Grimley
Campbell
P Burns
Why would it be the end of the road for McGeeney?
Rafferty wasn't great with kickouts but the lads out the pitch didn't hold their end of bargain up either. Conaty probably only Armagh player to pay close to their capabilities.
Some of the players listed above will probably need sometime to think about their futures. Don't expect all 6 to retire but wouldn't be surprised if a few go owe Armagh nothing at this stage.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 05:50:36 PMThey not the weakest team to win an All-Ireland, they won a bad final last year, but showed all the right stuff this year.The goalkeeping issue they need to focus on. Plus they changed their midfield past 2 game. The defence next yr need major surgery. Great going forward, poor at actual 1 on 1 defending.
Grimley/Crealey for me is the best midfield combination that we have both were off it today. This was an area expected Armagh to be on top especially with O'Connor out.
Quote from: statto on June 29, 2025, 09:34:22 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 05:50:36 PMThey not the weakest team to win an All-Ireland, they won a bad final last year, but showed all the right stuff this year.The goalkeeping issue they need to focus on. Plus they changed their midfield past 2 game. The defence next yr need major surgery. Great going forward, poor at actual 1 on 1 defending.
Grimley/Crealey for me is the best midfield combination that we have both were off it today. This was an area expected Armagh to be on top especially with O'Connor out.
Why didn't Rafferty not kick it out there more instead of trying to hit Murnin when he had that meltdown.
At least if you lose it it's on the opposition 45.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 09:40:35 PMQuote from: statto on June 29, 2025, 09:34:22 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 05:50:36 PMThey not the weakest team to win an All-Ireland, they won a bad final last year, but showed all the right stuff this year.The goalkeeping issue they need to focus on. Plus they changed their midfield past 2 game. The defence next yr need major surgery. Great going forward, poor at actual 1 on 1 defending.
Grimley/Crealey for me is the best midfield combination that we have both were off it today. This was an area expected Armagh to be on top especially with O'Connor out.
Why didn't Rafferty not kick it out there more instead of trying to hit Murnin when he had that meltdown.
At least if you lose it it's on the opposition 45.
To be fair Murnin is excellent in the air.
Congratulations to Dunneroyal and Juice and other Meath posters here. I was supporting yer under 20's this year for a mate connection on the team. Most of ye are sound at the end of the day.
Leinster football needs Meath.
Quote from: highorlow on June 29, 2025, 09:56:35 PMCongratulations to Dunneroyal and Juice and other Meath posters here. I was supporting yer under 20's this year for a mate connection on the team. Most of ye are sound at the end of the day.
Leinster football needs Meath.
I would say the all Ireland needs a competitive Meath.Well done on the win today I don't think they will win it this year but the age profile of team I would expect they will get one in the next 5 years.
Kerry defeated Armagh to book their place in the All Ireland semi final. They will be joined by Meath who defeated Galway in the match before that. They joined Donegal and Tyrone who made it through yesterday by beating Monaghan and Dublin respectively.
This has created a headache for the GAA as Meath and Donegal play in the same colours. Meath opted to play in their away top which is white with a green trim. Donegal will play in their home colours of green and yellow. In the second game Kerry and Tyrone will play in their own colours.
The last time Tyrone played Kerry in the All Ireland semi final, Tyrone won by maiming David Clifford before extra time. Clifford was left reeling by a punch to the face by Morgan and then Hampsey came in and kicked the Kerry man full on the thigh. This was the latest installment in heinious attacks by Tyrone men on Kerry forwards. Colm the Goochie Cooper lost the sight in one eye in 2005 when Ricy McMenamin tried to remove his eye during a heated exchange. In 1986, Jon Lynch tried to scalp Mikey Sheehy.
Quote from: statto on June 29, 2025, 09:42:27 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 09:40:35 PMQuote from: statto on June 29, 2025, 09:34:22 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 05:50:36 PMThey not the weakest team to win an All-Ireland, they won a bad final last year, but showed all the right stuff this year.The goalkeeping issue they need to focus on. Plus they changed their midfield past 2 game. The defence next yr need major surgery. Great going forward, poor at actual 1 on 1 defending.
Grimley/Crealey for me is the best midfield combination that we have both were off it today. This was an area expected Armagh to be on top especially with O'Connor out.
Why didn't Rafferty not kick it out there more instead of trying to hit Murnin when he had that meltdown.
At least if you lose it it's on the opposition 45.
To be fair Murnin is excellent in the air.
Not disputing that but he must have hit him 3 or 4 times when it wasn't working. Put massive pressure on him.
Kerry were missing their first choice midfield you'd think it was Armagh who were.
Kerry whilst exceptional in the second half were gifted alot of aspects of the game by armagh's naeivity which is something we haven't said about Armagh in a long long time.
O'Shea absolutely uncontested for 3 or 4 two pointers is unheard of. They must have been so caught up on the threat of Clifford in behind that they forgot about O'Shea.
Quote from: Olly on June 29, 2025, 10:02:04 PMKerry defeated Armagh to book their place in the All Ireland semi final. They will be joined by Meath who defeated Galway in the match before that. They joined Donegal and Tyrone who made it through yesterday by beating Monaghan and Dublin respectively.
This has created a headache for the GAA as Meath and Donegal play in the same colours. Meath opted to play in their away top which is white with a green trim. Donegal will play in their home colours of green and yellow. In the second game Kerry and Tyrone will play in their own colours.
The last time Tyrone played Kerry in the All Ireland semi final, Tyrone won by maiming David Clifford before extra time. Clifford was left reeling by a punch to the face by Morgan and then Hampsey came in and kicked the Kerry man full on the thigh. This was the latest installment in heinious attacks by Tyrone men on Kerry forwards. Colm the Goochie Cooper lost the sight in one eye in 2005 when Ricy McMenamin tried to remove his eye during a heated exchange. In 1986, Jon Lynch tried to scalp Mikey Sheehy.
Is there video evidence? Always thought Clifford was carrying an injury or cramp. Or maybe I've misread the tone.
Quote from: highorlow on June 29, 2025, 09:56:35 PMCongratulations to Dunneroyal and Juice and other Meath posters here. I was supporting yer under 20's this year for a mate connection on the team. Most of ye are sound at the end of the day.
Leinster football needs Meath.
The Leinster Championship will need Croker for most of its games next year!
Those involving Dublin, Meath, Louth and Kildare anyway
Quote from: DaleCooper on June 29, 2025, 10:25:07 PMQuote from: Olly on June 29, 2025, 10:02:04 PMKerry defeated Armagh to book their place in the All Ireland semi final. They will be joined by Meath who defeated Galway in the match before that. They joined Donegal and Tyrone who made it through yesterday by beating Monaghan and Dublin respectively.
This has created a headache for the GAA as Meath and Donegal play in the same colours. Meath opted to play in their away top which is white with a green trim. Donegal will play in their home colours of green and yellow. In the second game Kerry and Tyrone will play in their own colours.
The last time Tyrone played Kerry in the All Ireland semi final, Tyrone won by maiming David Clifford before extra time. Clifford was left reeling by a punch to the face by Morgan and then Hampsey came in and kicked the Kerry man full on the thigh. This was the latest installment in heinious attacks by Tyrone men on Kerry forwards. Colm the Goochie Cooper lost the sight in one eye in 2005 when Ricy McMenamin tried to remove his eye during a heated exchange. In 1986, Jon Lynch tried to scalp Mikey Sheehy.
Is there video evidence? Always thought Clifford was carrying an injury or cramp. Or maybe I've misread the tone.
That's the clever thing. There was no video evidence. Tyrone knew all the camera black spots.
Galway, Armagh, Dublin and Derry really was the group of death - the 3 that made it out died at the 1/4 final stage.
Tyrone will be confident but they been turned over 2012,15,19,23, with only 2021 the change in a run where Kerry were big favourites. If they don't improve a 100% they could be in trouble. Tyrone strong at Midfield and even after the day it's a section Kerry not strong in.
Quote from: statto on June 29, 2025, 10:01:58 PMQuote from: highorlow on June 29, 2025, 09:56:35 PMCongratulations to Dunneroyal and Juice and other Meath posters here. I was supporting yer under 20's this year for a mate connection on the team. Most of ye are sound at the end of the day.
Leinster football needs Meath.
I would say the all Ireland needs a competitive Meath.Well done on the win today I don't think they will win it this year but the age profile of team I would expect they will get one in the next 5 years.
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Thank you to both of you.
For what it's worth I don't think we will win it either. This year was all about building from the speech that we didn't have a David Clifford or con Callaghan. And bs about needing 5 more years to get us back to this level that Robbie , Shane and Connor has brought us to in a few months. The embarrassment of not qualifying for the all ire,
We are in bonus territory at this stage. However we are where we deserve to be . Who knows if we get run of green we might win it out :-\
Again just to thank the players. I just watched the game on tv after we got home. What work rate what attitude. Someone said on here that the heat and humidity weather would get to us. My word we are the fittest team in country that can turn over ball and quickly up the field.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 29, 2025, 10:28:03 PMQuote from: highorlow on June 29, 2025, 09:56:35 PMCongratulations to Dunneroyal and Juice and other Meath posters here. I was supporting yer under 20's this year for a mate connection on the team. Most of ye are sound at the end of the day.
Leinster football needs Meath.
The Leinster Championship will need Croker for most of its games next year!
Those involving Dublin, Meath, Louth and Kildare anyway
Headquarters will be rubbing their hands. The Vendors and Corporate boxes have taken a hit the last couple of years. Dublin can go back to saying they love playing outside Croke Park - with the full knowledge they won't have to play a fixture outside Croker.
Philly McMahon will tell everyone if they have no bread to eat Cake.
That Galway keeper had the ball out before the hooter. How come they couldn't play on?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 11:05:49 PMThat Galway keeper had the ball out before the hooter. How come they couldn't play on?
Yeah didn't like how that game ended. Think there could be controversy, imagine that was the final
It's clear as day on the Sunday game, he tapped it to himself more than a few secs before the hooter.
Anyone got any clarity on the last play in Galway Meath game?
The ball went wide before the hooter sounded, Galway keeper went to take kick out then ref blew.
Seemed iffy enough, Galway themselves to blame but surely one last play is in the interest of entertainment?
What does the rulebook say?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 11:10:02 PMIt's clear as day on the Sunday game, he tapped it to himself more than a few secs before the hooter.
What exactly do you think was clear as day?
Gleeson threw the ball out. Then the hooter sounded. As the ball was rolling he kicked it forward.
He most certainly did not "tap it to himself" seconds before the hooter sounded. Even if he'd kicked it before the hooter sounded, he kicked a moving ball from the incorrect location and it failed to make it beyond the 40m arc.
Quote from: smort on June 29, 2025, 11:07:42 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 11:05:49 PMThat Galway keeper had the ball out before the hooter. How come they couldn't play on?
Yeah didn't like how that game ended. Think there could be controversy, imagine that was the final
or even a quarter final?
He doesn't have to kick it beyond the arc, he kicked it to himself in the Dublin game a couple of times.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on June 30, 2025, 12:32:40 AMQuote from: Olly on June 29, 2025, 10:29:38 PMQuote from: DaleCooper on June 29, 2025, 10:25:07 PMQuote from: Olly on June 29, 2025, 10:02:04 PMKerry defeated Armagh to book their place in the All Ireland semi final. They will be joined by Meath who defeated Galway in the match before that. They joined Donegal and Tyrone who made it through yesterday by beating Monaghan and Dublin respectively.
This has created a headache for the GAA as Meath and Donegal play in the same colours. Meath opted to play in their away top which is white with a green trim. Donegal will play in their home colours of green and yellow. In the second game Kerry and Tyrone will play in their own colours.
The last time Tyrone played Kerry in the All Ireland semi final, Tyrone won by maiming David Clifford before extra time. Clifford was left reeling by a punch to the face by Morgan and then Hampsey came in and kicked the Kerry man full on the thigh. This was the latest installment in heinious attacks by Tyrone men on Kerry forwards. Colm the Goochie Cooper lost the sight in one eye in 2005 when Ricy McMenamin tried to remove his eye during a heated exchange. In 1986, Jon Lynch tried to scalp Mikey Sheehy.
Is there video evidence? Always thought Clifford was carrying an injury or cramp. Or maybe I've misread the tone.
That's the clever thing. There was no video evidence. Tyrone knew all the camera black spots.
Quote from: Olly on June 29, 2025, 10:29:38 PMQuote from: DaleCooper on June 29, 2025, 10:25:07 PMQuote from: Olly on June 29, 2025, 10:02:04 PMKerry defeated Armagh to book their place in the All Ireland semi final. They will be joined by Meath who defeated Galway in the match before that. They joined Donegal and Tyrone who made it through yesterday by beating Monaghan and Dublin respectively.
This has created a headache for the GAA as Meath and Donegal play in the same colours. Meath opted to play in their away top which is white with a green trim. Donegal will play in their home colours of green and yellow. In the second game Kerry and Tyrone will play in their own colours.
The last time Tyrone played Kerry in the All Ireland semi final, Tyrone won by maiming David Clifford before extra time. Clifford was left reeling by a punch to the face by Morgan and then Hampsey came in and kicked the Kerry man full on the thigh. This was the latest installment in heinious attacks by Tyrone men on Kerry forwards. Colm the Goochie Cooper lost the sight in one eye in 2005 when Ricy McMenamin tried to remove his eye during a heated exchange. In 1986, Jon Lynch tried to scalp Mikey Sheehy.
Is there video evidence? Always thought Clifford was carrying an injury or cramp. Or maybe I've misread the tone.
That's the clever thing. There was no video evidence. Tyrone knew all the camera black spots.
Hampsey ran into the crowd and punched one of the Kerry players granny and spat on a Kerry infant but he was clever knowing it was in a camera black spot and threatened those who videoed it with their phones to delete it so there'd be no evidence.
Another player threatened to give David a tittie twister and give his brother a wedgie if he played in extra time which led Clifford no choice but to pretend he had cramp.
Jaysus , that's mad. Dirty Tyrone hoors.
Nelson Muntz wouldn't be at it.
Quote from: Main Street on June 29, 2025, 06:20:47 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 29, 2025, 06:06:50 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:45:09 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:39:21 PMDick Clerkin was right about this Armagh team.
What did he say about them?
Weakest team to ever win the AI.
Clerkin is a gobshite and is bit rich coming out with that from Monaghan.
A team can do no more than win the All Ireland in a given year.. Tyrone constantly had to listen to that begrudgery. . Puke football.. covid All Ireland.. :D
Did Clerkin actually say that? Before the Ulster final he wrote 'as reigning All-Ireland champions, they demand respect' and thought they could beat Donegal. He also said that Armagh still have a lot to prove before being ranked as serious AI contenders this year.
Dick has being proved absolutely correct, Armagh like Monaghan went out without a whimper
Nope. Yer man is taking shite as usual. Clerkin wasn't exactly being effusive about Armagh winning last year but he didn't say that.
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 29, 2025, 06:07:22 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 06:01:54 PMThis Kerry team got 3/4 passengers and rely on 3/4 special players. They missing their midfield, so nobody under or over rated them, just better team on the day.
Don't know about that now, there was Armagh fans thinking they'd beat Kerry by 8 points or more.
As long as Kerry have Clifford they have a chance
All under the age of 20 probably, or possibly from Kerry. Anyone with cop on weren't writing Kerry off.
Just finished watching Armagh v Kerry. Can we conclude 2024 was a fluke? Or maybe they should just burn those black jerseys. Armagh is the only county with orange colours. Wear them and be proud! The tough black sure didn't frighten the Kerrymen.
Quote from: WT4E on June 29, 2025, 07:21:44 PMWill they just put the minors back a week and do a double header. Would make sense and give the lads a bigger day out!
That's a neat idea. But I won't hold my breath.
To be fair to Armagh, they lost because they couldn't win their own kickout. 2024 rules they would not have gotten blitzed the way they did. Didn't someone suggest a while back that the rule changes were tailor made for Kerry? I know that's sour grapes but I had to write it.
I've been struggling with the kickout rules for over 5 months(since Kerry scored two goals off Derry kickouts at the end of their league game). The team being scored on shouldn't be penalized the way the new rules punish them. I've seen too many games in which one team goes on a 5-10 minute scoring spree because the opponent can't get any possession.
Yes I know each ball is 50/50, however if anyone has been keeping count I bet that the team winning its kickout immediately get a scoring opportunity maybe 10% of the time, or much less. Whereas when a team loses it's kickout it seems to be under immediate threat at least 50% of the time.
Games shouldn't be won and lost just on kickouts. The FRC needs to fix this.
Quote from: EoinW on June 30, 2025, 03:08:03 AMTo be fair to Armagh, they lost because they couldn't win their own kickout. 2024 rules they would not have gotten blitzed the way they did. Didn't someone suggest a while back that the rule changes were tailor made for Kerry? I know that's sour grapes but I had to write it.
I've been struggling with the kickout rules for over 5 months(since Kerry scored two goals off Derry kickouts at the end of their league game). The team being scored on shouldn't be penalized the way the new rules punish them. I've seen too many games in which one team goes on a 5-10 minute scoring spree because the opponent can't get any possession.
Yes I know each ball is 50/50, however if anyone has been keeping count I bet that the team winning its kickout immediately get a scoring opportunity maybe 10% of the time, or much less. Whereas when a team loses it's kickout it seems to be under immediate threat at least 50% of the time.
Games shouldn't be won and lost just on kickouts. The FRC needs to fix this.
Sorry but that is utter codswallop. A big part of the game is fielding the ball. The new rules were to encourage that. You can't keep changing the rules because it doesn't suit you.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 30, 2025, 05:58:49 AMQuote from: EoinW on June 30, 2025, 03:08:03 AMTo be fair to Armagh, they lost because they couldn't win their own kickout. 2024 rules they would not have gotten blitzed the way they did. Didn't someone suggest a while back that the rule changes were tailor made for Kerry? I know that's sour grapes but I had to write it.
I've been struggling with the kickout rules for over 5 months(since Kerry scored two goals off Derry kickouts at the end of their league game). The team being scored on shouldn't be penalized the way the new rules punish them. I've seen too many games in which one team goes on a 5-10 minute scoring spree because the opponent can't get any possession.
Yes I know each ball is 50/50, however if anyone has been keeping count I bet that the team winning its kickout immediately get a scoring opportunity maybe 10% of the time, or much less. Whereas when a team loses it's kickout it seems to be under immediate threat at least 50% of the time.
Games shouldn't be won and lost just on kickouts. The FRC needs to fix this.
Sorry but that is utter codswallop. A big part of the game is fielding the ball. The new rules were to encourage that. You can't keep changing the rules because it doesn't suit you.
New rules encourage the element of luck to dictate passages of play. Some days it'll go your way, some days it won't, unless you've an 8 foot midfielder
PS: rest of the rules are great, I love football (the football v of do you condemn....?)
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2025, 12:16:10 AMHe doesn't have to kick it beyond the arc, he kicked it to himself in the Dublin game a couple of times.
Apologies, you're correct on that front. The other points remain clear:
1) He didn't kick the ball before the hooter
2) The ball was moving when he kicked it
3) The ball was kicked from the wrong place
People still going on about the hooter for Meath great win. Nonsense. As he grabbed the ball the hooter went he kicked it to himself from the wrong spot. Stop this nonsense. Meath won get over yourselves. Actually I don't think many Galway people have a complaint, they were beat by the better hungrier fitter team on the day.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 30, 2025, 06:19:15 AMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 30, 2025, 05:58:49 AMQuote from: EoinW on June 30, 2025, 03:08:03 AMTo be fair to Armagh, they lost because they couldn't win their own kickout. 2024 rules they would not have gotten blitzed the way they did. Didn't someone suggest a while back that the rule changes were tailor made for Kerry? I know that's sour grapes but I had to write it.
I've been struggling with the kickout rules for over 5 months(since Kerry scored two goals off Derry kickouts at the end of their league game). The team being scored on shouldn't be penalized the way the new rules punish them. I've seen too many games in which one team goes on a 5-10 minute scoring spree because the opponent can't get any possession.
Yes I know each ball is 50/50, however if anyone has been keeping count I bet that the team winning its kickout immediately get a scoring opportunity maybe 10% of the time, or much less. Whereas when a team loses it's kickout it seems to be under immediate threat at least 50% of the time.
Games shouldn't be won and lost just on kickouts. The FRC needs to fix this.
Sorry but that is utter codswallop. A big part of the game is fielding the ball. The new rules were to encourage that. You can't keep changing the rules because it doesn't suit you.
New rules encourage the element of luck to dictate passages of play. Some days it'll go your way, some days it won't, unless you've an 8 foot midfielder
PS: rest of the rules are great, I love football (the football v of do you condemn....?)
This was Kerry on their own kick outs against Meath, a match they lost by 9 points and only scored 0-16 compared to 0-32 yesterday.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gtkn5yFWAAAek8z?format=png&name=small)
Yesterday they showed how much they learnt and improved from that defeat. from the 40th to the 55th minute, Armagh had 14 kickouts and won three. Kerry won 9 of them and 2 went over the sideline. 0-14 unanswered points by Kerry in that 15 minute period.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2025, 11:05:49 PMThat Galway keeper had the ball out before the hooter. How come they couldn't play on?
In his hurry to get going the ball was moving when he kicked it. Needed a retake which there was no time for.
Well yesterday was a big disappointment. Sometimes you have to hold your hands up and say you were beaten by a much better team in the day. It was a pleasure to watch Sean O'Shea yesterday. Well done Kerry
But Outside D'Arcy of Galway very few of these kickouts are won clean, it's all mostly break ball. A team can be on top for 50/60mins and still get beat in the last 10mins. Under the old rules that wouldn't happen.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2025, 09:03:35 AMWell yesterday was a big disappointment. Sometimes you have to hold your hands up and say you were beaten by a much better team in the day. It was a pleasure to watch Sean O'Shea yesterday. Well done Kerry
100%. He was excellent, Barry did reasonably well on Clifford but he still had 0-7, superb player.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2025, 09:05:40 AMBut Outside D'Arcy of Galway very few of these kickouts are won clean, it's all mostly break ball. A team can be on top for 50/60mins and still get beat in the last 10mins. Under the old rules that wouldn't happen.
I think that's great and adds to the jeopardy of the thing and before if a team was 6 points up heading to the last 10 mins the game was completely over now you can't leave in case a comeback is on.
Teams are going to have to develop a set play kickout to break momentum. I imagine we'll see more of these next year becuase once you go on a run of losing possession in midfield things can get bad very quickly!
We could reinvent ourselves as "kick-out coaches" and we'd be set for life.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 30, 2025, 09:33:12 AMWe could reinvent ourselves as "kick-out coaches" and we'd be set for life.
You can be sure some team will start employing them
Monaghan v Donegal - actually missed the first half with match traffic but was listening on the wireless. 2nd half Monaghan completely fell apart and Donegal were in complete control. Should probably have won by more. Donegal looked really strong in that 2nd half. Seems to be how they've played most of the year, with an ok first half then blow teams away in the last 20mins. Can they keep doing this? They have on paper the easier draw for to make the final.
Tyrone v Dublin - a poor game in general. Felt like neither team really hit top gear until Tyrone in the last 10 mins. Perhaps it's in indication of the quality of both sides at the minute though? Tyrone just about deserved it, but will need to seriously up their game if they are to get close to Kerry. Dessie stepping down perhaps the final phase of that great Dublin team and a period of rebuilding needed.
Galway v Meath - Would have bet the house on Galway before this game, but Meath are fearless. I only saw the highlights of this one but it looked like a great game. Will Joyce be under pressure now? Will Meath be a Cinderella story?
Kerry v Armagh - seemed to be evenly matched until Kerry blew them away in the 2nd half. Armagh looked really ordinary. I said early in the year these new rules were brought in to suit the likes of Kerry, and that the kickout rule was an unfair one. The fact you have to keep kicking the ball into an area where you are being over-run is crazy in my view. Kerry took full advantage of it yesterday and Armagh were wiped out in that middle 8 sector. The quality of this Kerry team came through yesterday and I think they will be hard stopped now if they can be consistent.
The kick out rule was brought in to suit Kerry ::)
Another lad wants the FRC to change the kick out rule ::) .
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2025, 09:03:35 AMWell yesterday was a big disappointment. Sometimes you have to hold your hands up and say you were beaten by a much better team in the day. It was a pleasure to watch Sean O'Shea yesterday. Well done Kerry
That would be my feeling too. As Peter Canavan said last night no team would have been able to live with Kerry during that 15 minute spell yesterday. I wouldn't want to have been in Ethan's boots during that period. He made his mistakes of course but I would put it down to a complete system meltdown rather than putting it completely at his door. Momentum always was an important commodity in football but it's off the scales now. If you lose it then it is very hard to get back.
A Kerry team with a chip on its' shoulder is a dangerous beast especially with that wasp Jack O'Connor in charge. You can just hear him using all the negative comments in the dressing room.
I'd have concerns over what some of our older players might do now. Hopefully they take their time and arrive at what's best for them.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 30, 2025, 10:41:12 AMThe kick out rule was brought in to suit Kerry ::)
Another lad wants the FRC to change the kick out rule ::) .
He didn't say the kick out rule was brought in to suit Kerry. But he did say the new rules would suit Kerry which they arguably do with the forward line they have.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 30, 2025, 10:41:12 AMThe kick out rule was brought in to suit Kerry ::)
Another lad wants the FRC to change the kick out rule ::) .
Kickout rule should have suit us yesterday given Kerry were missing their main midfielder but that didn't go to script.
I don't know who was writing Kerry off, I always felt that they would beat Armagh yesterday, but by 1 or 2. I didn't expect such a mauling.I couldn't for the life of me see the strength and depth in that Armagh squad that everyone spoke of and that was proven yesterday. too many over 30's in the team. Oisin O'Neill is a big loss. Why does Cian McConville not get more game time? It's time to rebuild I fear. I would hope McGeeney is given the option to decide on his own future, he deserves that much. Hopefully we can continue to build on these foundations.
Congrats to Kerry, very deserving winners yesterday and If they play like that in the next 2 games they will win SAM but will they get themselves up for the following games like yesterday...We will see.
I was fearing all the hype we were receiving and Armagh have never worn the fav tag well, when we go into games as the underdog and the world against us it's when we perform best but full credit must go to Kerry as they done us well and good yesterday, I wish them well for the rest of the Championship.
Keeper kick outs were poor but credit must go to Kerry for this as they pushed up and gave him nowt to hit, Armagh midfield were poor and a lot of guys who are usually steady and reliable had below par games and again I put that down to Kerry's intensity and endeavor.
Quote from: mackers on June 30, 2025, 10:45:46 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2025, 09:03:35 AMWell yesterday was a big disappointment. Sometimes you have to hold your hands up and say you were beaten by a much better team in the day. It was a pleasure to watch Sean O'Shea yesterday. Well done Kerry
That would be my feeling too. As Peter Canavan said last night no team would have been able to live with Kerry during that 15 minute spell yesterday. I wouldn't want to have been in Ethan's boots during that period. He made his mistakes of course but I would put it down to a complete system meltdown rather than putting it completely at his door. Momentum always was an important commodity in football but it's off the scales now. If you lose it then it is very hard to get back.
A Kerry team with a chip on its' shoulder is a dangerous beast especially with that wasp Jack O'Connor in charge. You can just hear him using all the negative comments in the dressing room.
I'd have concerns over what some of our older players might do now. Hopefully they take their time and arrive at what's best for them.
It's true that no team would have been able to live with Kerry if they gift them possession 15 times in a row but I don't think most teams would do that. He'd have been better lumping a few up the middle but for whatever reason he decided now to. It happens all the time now when teams get on top and hit 7 or 8 points in a row, but 14 is unheard of in what was a tight game before that.
Quote from: Mario on June 30, 2025, 11:08:59 AMQuote from: mackers on June 30, 2025, 10:45:46 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2025, 09:03:35 AMWell yesterday was a big disappointment. Sometimes you have to hold your hands up and say you were beaten by a much better team in the day. It was a pleasure to watch Sean O'Shea yesterday. Well done Kerry
That would be my feeling too. As Peter Canavan said last night no team would have been able to live with Kerry during that 15 minute spell yesterday. I wouldn't want to have been in Ethan's boots during that period. He made his mistakes of course but I would put it down to a complete system meltdown rather than putting it completely at his door. Momentum always was an important commodity in football but it's off the scales now. If you lose it then it is very hard to get back.
A Kerry team with a chip on its' shoulder is a dangerous beast especially with that wasp Jack O'Connor in charge. You can just hear him using all the negative comments in the dressing room.
I'd have concerns over what some of our older players might do now. Hopefully they take their time and arrive at what's best for them.
It's true that no team would have been able to live with Kerry if they gift them possession 15 times in a row but I don't think most teams would do that. He'd have been better lumping a few up the middle but for whatever reason he decided now to. It happens all the time now when teams get on top and hit 7 or 8 points in a row, but 14 is unheard of in what was a tight game before that.
It begs the question: did Armagh have the right keeper in goal? Rafferty is great, pure excitement. However when the FRC altered its own rule change back in February, the advantage of the attacking keeper was lost.
Disappointed with the performance yesterday but have to be impressed by Kerry and their intensity in the middle third. I did think Armagh would have been stronger in the middle eight and that it would have went down to the wire, but it wasn't to be.
I said previously on here that I feared we would get a trimming at some point if we didn't win enough possession in the middle as every time we don't have the ball, it is almost a guaranteed score/shot for the opposition. That was evident against Tyrone, Donegal, Derry, Dublin and Galway.
That might just be the new rules in action, but we have a very questionable defensive platform and we get fewer turnovers, compared to Donegal who seem that bit tighter at the back.
The key for Armagh yesterday was to win the midfield battle and we lost it spectacularly. This was a combination of a lack of work rate in midfield and some poor kickouts, but it certainly wasn't all on Rafferty as some would suggest.
Kerry had their tactics spot on and they closed out Grugan just as Donegal did. They also kept McQuillan quiet and as Kerry rose to the occasion our guys were found wanting.
I read somewhere that outside of Dublin and Kerry, no team has done back to back finals since Armagh in 03 and none has won back to back Sams since Cork in 1989/90.
So on that basis, Armagh have performed admirably as champions and these players and management owe the county nothing.
It looks like this is could be end of the road for some of this team (it was that kind of defeat) and we could be in for a dry spell because of how much we depend on lads like Murnin, Grugan & Campbell (if any of them decide to call it a day).
Galway's defeat has the same kind of feeling to it and they may be in a similar position after yesterday. That should be a reminder to Armagh followers to be very grateful that their team got over the line in the big one last year because both teams might be going into transitional period.
You now have teams coming like Tyrone, Down & Meath and no doubt Dublin will be back. Getting back to those heights will not be a simple exercise for Armagh.
If it is to be a transitional period I would certainly trust McGeeney with that job of by leading Armagh into it. Winning the All Ireland after 10 years in charge (something that must be a record and is rarely commented on) demonstrates that very well.
Quote from: EoinW on June 30, 2025, 11:39:18 AMQuote from: Mario on June 30, 2025, 11:08:59 AMQuote from: mackers on June 30, 2025, 10:45:46 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2025, 09:03:35 AMWell yesterday was a big disappointment. Sometimes you have to hold your hands up and say you were beaten by a much better team in the day. It was a pleasure to watch Sean O'Shea yesterday. Well done Kerry
That would be my feeling too. As Peter Canavan said last night no team would have been able to live with Kerry during that 15 minute spell yesterday. I wouldn't want to have been in Ethan's boots during that period. He made his mistakes of course but I would put it down to a complete system meltdown rather than putting it completely at his door. Momentum always was an important commodity in football but it's off the scales now. If you lose it then it is very hard to get back.
A Kerry team with a chip on its' shoulder is a dangerous beast especially with that wasp Jack O'Connor in charge. You can just hear him using all the negative comments in the dressing room.
I'd have concerns over what some of our older players might do now. Hopefully they take their time and arrive at what's best for them.
It's true that no team would have been able to live with Kerry if they gift them possession 15 times in a row but I don't think most teams would do that. He'd have been better lumping a few up the middle but for whatever reason he decided now to. It happens all the time now when teams get on top and hit 7 or 8 points in a row, but 14 is unheard of in what was a tight game before that.
It begs the question: did Armagh have the right keeper in goal? Rafferty is great, pure excitement. However when the FRC altered its own rule change back in February, the advantage of the attacking keeper was lost.
Not really given he was super all year, Blaine did get a game or 2 in the league and was poor.
Armagh went for 4-5 goal chances which were never on. They were far better getting their points and reducing the gap. A few long balls should have been hit by Rafferty instead he targeted the same player 4 times who lost everyone of them.
Quote from: EoinW on June 30, 2025, 03:08:03 AMTo be fair to Armagh, they lost because they couldn't win their own kickout. 2024 rules they would not have gotten blitzed the way they did. Didn't someone suggest a while back that the rule changes were tailor made for Kerry? I know that's sour grapes but I had to write it.
I've been struggling with the kickout rules for over 5 months(since Kerry scored two goals off Derry kickouts at the end of their league game). The team being scored on shouldn't be penalized the way the new rules punish them. I've seen too many games in which one team goes on a 5-10 minute scoring spree because the opponent can't get any possession.
Yes I know each ball is 50/50, however if anyone has been keeping count I bet that the team winning its kickout immediately get a scoring opportunity maybe 10% of the time, or much less. Whereas when a team loses it's kickout it seems to be under immediate threat at least 50% of the time.
Games shouldn't be won and lost just on kickouts. The FRC needs to fix this.
Games have been won and lost on kick outs for years, it's just harder to retain your own kick out now.
Quote from: EoinW on June 30, 2025, 03:08:03 AMTo be fair to Armagh, they lost because they couldn't win their own kickout. 2024 rules they would not have gotten blitzed the way they did. Didn't someone suggest a while back that the rule changes were tailor made for Kerry? I know that's sour grapes but I had to write it.
I've been struggling with the kickout rules for over 5 months(since Kerry scored two goals off Derry kickouts at the end of their league game). The team being scored on shouldn't be penalized the way the new rules punish them. I've seen too many games in which one team goes on a 5-10 minute scoring spree because the opponent can't get any possession.
Yes I know each ball is 50/50, however if anyone has been keeping count I bet that the team winning its kickout immediately get a scoring opportunity maybe 10% of the time, or much less. Whereas when a team loses it's kickout it seems to be under immediate threat at least 50% of the time.
Games shouldn't be won and lost just on kickouts. The FRC needs to fix this.
This is nonsense
Quote from: EoinW on June 30, 2025, 11:39:18 AMQuote from: Mario on June 30, 2025, 11:08:59 AMQuote from: mackers on June 30, 2025, 10:45:46 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2025, 09:03:35 AMWell yesterday was a big disappointment. Sometimes you have to hold your hands up and say you were beaten by a much better team in the day. It was a pleasure to watch Sean O'Shea yesterday. Well done Kerry
That would be my feeling too. As Peter Canavan said last night no team would have been able to live with Kerry during that 15 minute spell yesterday. I wouldn't want to have been in Ethan's boots during that period. He made his mistakes of course but I would put it down to a complete system meltdown rather than putting it completely at his door. Momentum always was an important commodity in football but it's off the scales now. If you lose it then it is very hard to get back.
A Kerry team with a chip on its' shoulder is a dangerous beast especially with that wasp Jack O'Connor in charge. You can just hear him using all the negative comments in the dressing room.
I'd have concerns over what some of our older players might do now. Hopefully they take their time and arrive at what's best for them.
It's true that no team would have been able to live with Kerry if they gift them possession 15 times in a row but I don't think most teams would do that. He'd have been better lumping a few up the middle but for whatever reason he decided now to. It happens all the time now when teams get on top and hit 7 or 8 points in a row, but 14 is unheard of in what was a tight game before that.
It begs the question: did Armagh have the right keeper in goal? Rafferty is great, pure excitement. However when the FRC altered its own rule change back in February, the advantage of the attacking keeper was lost.
Is it a fair question to ask could Armagh have done with Rafferty out around the middle?
I don't put all the blame on him though - I was there as a neutral and he had no options at times especially in that spell of dominance for Kerry. Armagh looked flat and Kerry had every angle covered. He launched one right over at one stage and Kerry managed to pick up the break.
Quote from: EoinW on June 30, 2025, 11:39:18 AMQuote from: Mario on June 30, 2025, 11:08:59 AMQuote from: mackers on June 30, 2025, 10:45:46 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2025, 09:03:35 AMWell yesterday was a big disappointment. Sometimes you have to hold your hands up and say you were beaten by a much better team in the day. It was a pleasure to watch Sean O'Shea yesterday. Well done Kerry
That would be my feeling too. As Peter Canavan said last night no team would have been able to live with Kerry during that 15 minute spell yesterday. I wouldn't want to have been in Ethan's boots during that period. He made his mistakes of course but I would put it down to a complete system meltdown rather than putting it completely at his door. Momentum always was an important commodity in football but it's off the scales now. If you lose it then it is very hard to get back.
A Kerry team with a chip on its' shoulder is a dangerous beast especially with that wasp Jack O'Connor in charge. You can just hear him using all the negative comments in the dressing room.
I'd have concerns over what some of our older players might do now. Hopefully they take their time and arrive at what's best for them.
It's true that no team would have been able to live with Kerry if they gift them possession 15 times in a row but I don't think most teams would do that. He'd have been better lumping a few up the middle but for whatever reason he decided now to. It happens all the time now when teams get on top and hit 7 or 8 points in a row, but 14 is unheard of in what was a tight game before that.
It begs the question: did Armagh have the right keeper in goal? Rafferty is great, pure excitement. However when the FRC altered its own rule change back in February, the advantage of the attacking keeper was lost.
I said to my brother at half time I would be bringing hughes on as Rafferty was having a bad day on kick outs. NOt all his fault mind you
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 30, 2025, 10:56:32 AMQuote from: Rossfan on June 30, 2025, 10:41:12 AMThe kick out rule was brought in to suit Kerry ::)
Another lad wants the FRC to change the kick out rule ::) .
Kickout rule should have suit us yesterday given Kerry were missing their main midfielder but that didn't go to script.
Yes, Kerry started with probably their 5th and 6th choice midfielders, with only a handful of games between them prior to yesterday, along with their 4th choice centreback and wingback (once O'Sullivan went off injured). Prior to the game Kerry would have snapped your hand off if offered to play with the old kickout rules.
Any time for the scheduling announcement?
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 30, 2025, 10:07:12 AMMonaghan v Donegal - actually missed the first half with match traffic but was listening on the wireless. 2nd half Monaghan completely fell apart and Donegal were in complete control. Should probably have won by more. Donegal looked really strong in that 2nd half. Seems to be how they've played most of the year, with an ok first half then blow teams away in the last 20mins. Can they keep doing this? They have on paper the easier draw for to make the final.
Tyrone v Dublin - a poor game in general. Felt like neither team really hit top gear until Tyrone in the last 10 mins. Perhaps it's in indication of the quality of both sides at the minute though? Tyrone just about deserved it, but will need to seriously up their game if they are to get close to Kerry. Dessie stepping down perhaps the final phase of that great Dublin team and a period of rebuilding needed.
Galway v Meath - Would have bet the house on Galway before this game, but Meath are fearless. I only saw the highlights of this one but it looked like a great game. Will Joyce be under pressure now? Will Meath be a Cinderella story?
Kerry v Armagh - seemed to be evenly matched until Kerry blew them away in the 2nd half. Armagh looked really ordinary. I said early in the year these new rules were brought in to suit the likes of Kerry, and that the kickout rule was an unfair one. The fact you have to keep kicking the ball into an area where you are being over-run is crazy in my view. Kerry took full advantage of it yesterday and Armagh were wiped out in that middle 8 sector. The quality of this Kerry team came through yesterday and I think they will be hard stopped now if they can be consistent.
For 50 minutes and much like Dublin v Tyrone it was a poor game in general. 0-11 to 0-9 with more wides and shots kicked short than scores it was the match with most amount of slipping also. Last 20 minutes more of game broke out, 2-5 to 2-6 in scoring.
What was the story with the slipping folks? Understand that the tyrone game probably had the worst conditions and it was like bambi on ice at times. Just one of those things?
Quote from: thejuice on June 29, 2025, 05:40:31 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on June 29, 2025, 05:37:58 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 29, 2025, 03:32:49 PMGalway will probably never win an all ireland now will they?
Which is sad to see
Fair play to Meath despite not playing their best....there's an all Ireland in that team maybe not this year but in the coming years.
been saying this all year. Youngest team in quarterfinals. This will all add to them going forward next year and the year after. Best all round players since 96/04. Future looks very bright. I believe will dominate Leinster over next 5 years with our main opposition been Offaly. Louth I think will slip back , dubs are in rebuild mode. And Kildare are a basket case. We are the coming team with minor all ire winners and Leinster u20s yet to feature.
The future is bright the future is green and gold.
Hon the royal
Great to win but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Juice
FYI, They are two WUM's
btw great win.
Quote from: An Watcher on June 30, 2025, 01:40:30 PMWhat was the story with the slipping folks? Understand that the tyrone game probably had the worst conditions and it was like bambi on ice at times. Just one of those things?
I was there both days, have to agree.
Players were slipping a lot yesterday, seemed to be more prevalent on the 45 at canal end.
but was also noteable around other 45 also.
Quote from: joemamas on June 30, 2025, 01:45:29 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 30, 2025, 01:40:30 PMWhat was the story with the slipping folks? Understand that the tyrone game probably had the worst conditions and it was like bambi on ice at times. Just one of those things?
I was there both days, have to agree.
Players were slipping a lot yesterday, seemed to be more prevalent on the 45 at canal end.
but was also noteable around other 45 also.
All 4 keepers slipped at kick outs too
Quote from: clonian on June 30, 2025, 01:46:20 PMQuote from: joemamas on June 30, 2025, 01:45:29 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 30, 2025, 01:40:30 PMWhat was the story with the slipping folks? Understand that the tyrone game probably had the worst conditions and it was like bambi on ice at times. Just one of those things?
I was there both days, have to agree.
Players were slipping a lot yesterday, seemed to be more prevalent on the 45 at canal end.
but was also noteable around other 45 also.
All 4 keepers slipped at kick outs too
poofs
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 30, 2025, 12:40:53 PMAny time for the scheduling announcement?
Saturday 12 July
All-Ireland SFC semi-final
Kerry v Tyrone, Croke Park, 5pm - RTE/BBC
Tailteann Cup final
Kildare v Limerick, Croke Park, 2.30pm - RTE
Sunday 13 July
All-Ireland SFC semi-final
Meath v Donegal, Croke Park, 4pm - RTE/BBC
All-Ireland JFC final
New York or Warwickshire v Kilkenny or London, Croke Park, 1.30pm - TG4 YouTube
Quote from: screenexile on June 30, 2025, 09:11:52 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2025, 09:05:40 AMBut Outside D'Arcy of Galway very few of these kickouts are won clean, it's all mostly break ball. A team can be on top for 50/60mins and still get beat in the last 10mins. Under the old rules that wouldn't happen.
I think that's great and adds to the jeopardy of the thing and before if a team was 6 points up heading to the last 10 mins the game was completely over now you can't leave in case a comeback is on.
Teams are going to have to develop a set play kickout to break momentum. I imagine we'll see more of these next year becuase once you go on a run of losing possession in midfield things can get bad very quickly!
Great? It's by far the worst rule of the new rules*, has turned the game into a game of luck re kickouts. At some stage it'll be dropped.
Folk talk about working on the kickout, but there's v little you can do to gain an advantage
* love most of the new rules
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 30, 2025, 02:53:02 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 30, 2025, 12:40:53 PMAny time for the scheduling announcement?
Saturday 12 July
All-Ireland SFC semi-final
Kerry v Tyrone, Croke Park, 5pm - RTE/BBC
Tailteann Cup final
Kildare v Limerick, Croke Park, 2.30pm - RTE
Sunday 13 July
All-Ireland SFC semi-final
Meath v Donegal, Croke Park, 4pm - RTE/BBC
All-Ireland JFC final
New York or Warwickshire v Kilkenny or London, Croke Park, 1.30pm - TG4 YouTube
So Kilkenny footballers second game of the season could be a curtain raiser to the All-Ireland semi final at Croke Park
The AI minors being shunted for this farce
I call bullshit
Quote from: JoG2 on June 30, 2025, 02:55:14 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 30, 2025, 09:11:52 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2025, 09:05:40 AMBut Outside D'Arcy of Galway very few of these kickouts are won clean, it's all mostly break ball. A team can be on top for 50/60mins and still get beat in the last 10mins. Under the old rules that wouldn't happen.
I think that's great and adds to the jeopardy of the thing and before if a team was 6 points up heading to the last 10 mins the game was completely over now you can't leave in case a comeback is on.
Teams are going to have to develop a set play kickout to break momentum. I imagine we'll see more of these next year becuase once you go on a run of losing possession in midfield things can get bad very quickly!
Great? It's by far the worst rule of the new rules*, has turned the game into a game of luck re kickouts. At some stage it'll be dropped.
Folk talk about working on the kickout, but there's v little you can do to gain an advantage
* love most of the new rules
Dara O'Se and Brian Dooher, no-one luckier
Galway, Armagh & Dublin all looked lifeless. Group of death took its toil, will be glad to see the back of the group stage. You'd wonder if McGeeney regrets putting that much effort into the Galway game, as for Galway the manners of the games didn't help and eventually caught up with them.
I was happy enough at half time as thought it looked like a deliberate tactic in the first half to slow the game down and conserve energy but apart from a crazy 4 minutes in the 2nd half Galway never looked comfortable. Meath fully deserving winners.
Imagine we'll hear in the next few weeks if Joyce will stay on, I hope he does.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 30, 2025, 02:57:50 PMGalway, Armagh & Dublin all looked lifeless. Group of death took its toil, will be glad to see the back of the group stage. You'd wonder if McGeeney regrets putting that much effort into the Galway game, as for Galway the manners of the games didn't help and eventually caught up with them.
I was happy enough at half time as thought it looked like a deliberate tactic in the first half to slow the game down and conserve energy but apart from a crazy 4 minutes in the 2nd half Galway never looked comfortable. Meath fully deserving winners.
Imagine we'll hear in the next few weeks if Joyce will stay on, I hope he does.
Not sure a game 2 weeks ago should really have had any effect on freshness etc for yesterday, easy to look unfit when you're chasing shadows. Hats off to Kerry, looked the hungrier team. Hope we can keep Donaghy about, but if not then the very best to him for the future.
Its more of a mindset thing, but Armagh didn't have enough guile to do it. Played Galway to wire in a game Galway desperately needed to win.
Was it Tyrone who allowed Kerry wallop them in league in Tralee that time?
The biggest issue was the rules changing, if you dont play attacking football you lose.
Armaghs biggest problem going into 2026 will be who is staying, and can injuries get cleared up.
All talk of who kerry missed yday, but players who didnt see grass yday for armagh were
Campbell
Oisin ONeill
McKay
Ciaran Mackin
Conor ONeill
Quote from: 5times5times on June 30, 2025, 03:23:42 PMArmaghs biggest problem going into 2026 will be who is staying, and can injuries get cleared up.
All talk of who kerry missed yday, but players who didnt see grass yday for armagh were
Campbell
Oisin ONeill
McKay
Ciaran Mackin
Conor ONeill
Big losses all of those but sure you play the hand your dealt and 2 of those didn't feature last year after the Westmeath game. Hopefully all clears up for next year and we can unearth another couple of young lads.
Forker, Grugan, Murnin, Paddy Burns, Soupy all probably at the stage where they need to think hard about whether they'll commit again.
Hope the manner of yesterday lights a fire under the rest of the team and they come back next year with a point to prove.
Quote from: clonian on June 30, 2025, 11:50:45 AMQuote from: EoinW on June 30, 2025, 11:39:18 AMQuote from: Mario on June 30, 2025, 11:08:59 AMQuote from: mackers on June 30, 2025, 10:45:46 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2025, 09:03:35 AMWell yesterday was a big disappointment. Sometimes you have to hold your hands up and say you were beaten by a much better team in the day. It was a pleasure to watch Sean O'Shea yesterday. Well done Kerry
That would be my feeling too. As Peter Canavan said last night no team would have been able to live with Kerry during that 15 minute spell yesterday. I wouldn't want to have been in Ethan's boots during that period. He made his mistakes of course but I would put it down to a complete system meltdown rather than putting it completely at his door. Momentum always was an important commodity in football but it's off the scales now. If you lose it then it is very hard to get back.
A Kerry team with a chip on its' shoulder is a dangerous beast especially with that wasp Jack O'Connor in charge. You can just hear him using all the negative comments in the dressing room.
I'd have concerns over what some of our older players might do now. Hopefully they take their time and arrive at what's best for them.
It's true that no team would have been able to live with Kerry if they gift them possession 15 times in a row but I don't think most teams would do that. He'd have been better lumping a few up the middle but for whatever reason he decided now to. It happens all the time now when teams get on top and hit 7 or 8 points in a row, but 14 is unheard of in what was a tight game before that.
It begs the question: did Armagh have the right keeper in goal? Rafferty is great, pure excitement. However when the FRC altered its own rule change back in February, the advantage of the attacking keeper was lost.
Is it a fair question to ask could Armagh have done with Rafferty out around the middle?
I don't put all the blame on him though - I was there as a neutral and he had no options at times especially in that spell of dominance for Kerry. Armagh looked flat and Kerry had every angle covered. He launched one right over at one stage and Kerry managed to pick up the break.
They should go all out next year to get the best goalie in the county and put Rafferty at midfield. He's a great fielder for sure.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 30, 2025, 02:57:50 PMGalway, Armagh & Dublin all looked lifeless. Group of death took its toil, will be glad to see the back of the group stage. You'd wonder if McGeeney regrets putting that much effort into the Galway game, as for Galway the manners of the games didn't help and eventually caught up with them.
I was happy enough at half time as thought it looked like a deliberate tactic in the first half to slow the game down and conserve energy but apart from a crazy 4 minutes in the 2nd half Galway never looked comfortable. Meath fully deserving winners.
Imagine we'll hear in the next few weeks if Joyce will stay on, I hope he does.
Wouldn't be using that excuse at all. Before any group stage Dublin was in a struggle against Wicklow and then taken out by Meath. Armagh had issues all year with kick outs and defensively, they strugged to adjust with the new rules and Galway was the same and the tribesmen performance yesterday wasn't much different than the one against Mayo in the Connacht final just managed to fall over the line in that one.
Quote from: tiempo on June 30, 2025, 02:55:52 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 30, 2025, 02:53:02 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 30, 2025, 12:40:53 PMAny time for the scheduling announcement?
Saturday 12 July
All-Ireland SFC semi-final
Kerry v Tyrone, Croke Park, 5pm - RTE/BBC
Tailteann Cup final
Kildare v Limerick, Croke Park, 2.30pm - RTE
Sunday 13 July
All-Ireland SFC semi-final
Meath v Donegal, Croke Park, 4pm - RTE/BBC
All-Ireland JFC final
New York or Warwickshire v Kilkenny or London, Croke Park, 1.30pm - TG4 YouTube
So Kilkenny footballers second game of the season could be a curtain raiser to the All-Ireland semi final at Croke Park
The AI minors being shunted for this farce
I call bullshit
HQ decided a few years ago that Croke Park is not the place for U17s. They stopped captain speeches and U17 players can't be interviewed post-match either. At that age profile, the GAA are minding them mentally more so than anything.
Quote from: Main Street on June 29, 2025, 07:35:50 PMQuote from: greatpoint on June 29, 2025, 06:53:11 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 29, 2025, 06:37:51 PMQuote from: greatpoint on June 29, 2025, 06:28:25 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 29, 2025, 06:20:47 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 29, 2025, 06:06:50 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:45:09 PMQuote from: clarshack on June 29, 2025, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 29, 2025, 05:39:21 PMDick Clerkin was right about this Armagh team.
What did he say about them?
Weakest team to ever win the AI.
Clerkin is a gobshite and is bit rich coming out with that from Monaghan.
A team can do no more than win the All Ireland in a given year.. Tyrone constantly had to listen to that begrudgery. . Puke football.. covid All Ireland.. :D
Did Clerkin actually say that? Before the Ulster final he wrote 'as reigning All-Ireland champions, they demand respect' and thought they could beat Donegal. He also said that Armagh still have a lot to prove before being ranked as serious AI contenders this year.
Dick has being proved absolutely correct, Armagh like Monaghan went out without a whimper
He said that yesterday's game against Donegal was Monaghan's biggest in 20 years
Most probably he didn't say that either.
https://youtu.be/KR0bDGUlI8k?si=6XwbwjMTvMqpxqgp
34:00
Then he was wrong, it was at best the 2nd most important game Monaghan were to be involved in since the sf v Kerry in the last century. Is that the best you have got against Dick? being over optimistic about his own counties chances in their bid to reach the AI semi final?
You were only just saying that he didn't say that, are you happy to accept that he did now?
Best I have against Dick? Don't be getting all wound up just because you don't like what he said, maybe he was right.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 30, 2025, 03:51:28 PMQuote from: Maroon Manc on June 30, 2025, 02:57:50 PMGalway, Armagh & Dublin all looked lifeless. Group of death took its toil, will be glad to see the back of the group stage. You'd wonder if McGeeney regrets putting that much effort into the Galway game, as for Galway the manners of the games didn't help and eventually caught up with them.
I was happy enough at half time as thought it looked like a deliberate tactic in the first half to slow the game down and conserve energy but apart from a crazy 4 minutes in the 2nd half Galway never looked comfortable. Meath fully deserving winners.
Imagine we'll hear in the next few weeks if Joyce will stay on, I hope he does.
Wouldn't be using that excuse at all. Before any group stage Dublin was in a struggle against Wicklow and then taken out by Meath. Armagh had issues all year with kick outs and defensively, they strugged to adjust with the new rules and Galway was the same and the tribesmen performance yesterday wasn't much different than the one against Mayo in the Connacht final just managed to fall over the line in that one.
Nor would I use it as excuse. The media went out their way to talk it up as the group of death however in reality and now in hindsight it was group of teams struggling to find any decent consistent form and reach the level they are capable of. All four are deservedly out of the championship now and Galway was lucky to even get out of the group.
In regards to Armagh the new rules has set McGeeney's men back, alarm bells was ringing about the defensive issues in the first championship game against Antrim who was relegated to Division 4 and gave the freedom of Croke Park to Sean O'Shea yesterday. Rafferty's kick outs was just as bad against Dublin in Croke Park a few weeks ago instead Dublin wasted chance after chance because they aren't very good anymore and Kerry exploited Armagh's defence and poor kick outs to the max.
Balls lads. Armagh are still as good as what is about. It doesn't need over analysing.
The most important person to stay on is McGeeney, if he goes I'd fear for us, other than that we'll not be too far away.
Lots of people revelling in Armagh's defeat yesterday are the same bucks talking them up all year, the new phenomenon of slot filling podcasts. Some Armagh fans (online) are insufferable tho and we all now have to pay for those clowns unfortunately.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 30, 2025, 04:56:23 PMBalls lads. Armagh are still as good as what is about. It doesn't need over analysing.
The most important person to stay on is McGeeney, if he goes I'd fear for us, other than that we'll not be too far away.
Lots of people revelling in Armagh's defeat yesterday are the same bucks talking them up all year, the new phenomenon of slot filling podcasts. Some Armagh fans (online) are insufferable tho and we all now have to pay for those clowns unfortunately.
I would agree. Yesterday was a poor showing, and you cannot go out at this stage of the championship and not turn up. I doubt they will disappear into the wilderness again as a result of yesterday.
Pundits need something to talk about of course and seeing Armagh fall off the top is going to be the topic for debate this week, before they move on to the remaining 4 and who is going to go on and win.
A tall order for any team to go and defend an all ireland.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 30, 2025, 04:56:23 PMBalls lads. Armagh are still as good as what is about. It doesn't need over analysing.
The most important person to stay on is McGeeney, if he goes I'd fear for us, other than that we'll not be too far away.
Lots of people revelling in Armagh's defeat yesterday are the same bucks talking them up all year, the new phenomenon of slot filling podcasts. Some Armagh fans (online) are insufferable tho and we all now have to pay for those clowns unfortunately.
Exactly that. We will be fine. Was a bad day at the office. Learn and move on.
Congrats Kerry, all the talk of bad Kerry team etc was bought be exactly noone. Best team on the day progressed. O'Shea was 10/10
Quote from: DaleCooper on June 30, 2025, 03:16:27 PMWas it Tyrone who allowed Kerry wallop them in league in Tralee that time?
The biggest issue was the rules changing, if you dont play attacking football you lose.
Kerry did beat Armagh by 10 points in the league this year so I don't know how much Armagh could have done on that front?
Quote from: maddog on June 30, 2025, 05:17:26 PMCongrats Kerry, all the talk of bad Kerry team etc was bought be exactly noone. Best team on the day progressed. O'Shea was 10/10
I don't know how many said Kerry were a bad team tbh. Most of the commentary was about how it was hard to judge them given they'd basically played nobody and they had a massive injury crisis, which is absolutely the case.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 30, 2025, 03:59:43 PMQuote from: tiempo on June 30, 2025, 02:55:52 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 30, 2025, 02:53:02 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on June 30, 2025, 12:40:53 PMAny time for the scheduling announcement?
Saturday 12 July
All-Ireland SFC semi-final
Kerry v Tyrone, Croke Park, 5pm - RTE/BBC
Tailteann Cup final
Kildare v Limerick, Croke Park, 2.30pm - RTE
Sunday 13 July
All-Ireland SFC semi-final
Meath v Donegal, Croke Park, 4pm - RTE/BBC
All-Ireland JFC final
New York or Warwickshire v Kilkenny or London, Croke Park, 1.30pm - TG4 YouTube
So Kilkenny footballers second game of the season could be a curtain raiser to the All-Ireland semi final at Croke Park
The AI minors being shunted for this farce
I call bullshit
HQ decided a few years ago that Croke Park is not the place for U17s. They stopped captain speeches and U17 players can't be interviewed post-match either. At that age profile, the GAA are minding them mentally more so than anything.
Nearly had me there
The Hogan Cup final has been played at Croke for years, and the AI minor should be too
The GAA is minding them mentally? That's plain old gaslighting if it's an official line from HQ. I'd suggest a Tyrone or Kerry minor wider panel/subs XV would hammer Kilkenny footballers out the gate, KK should absolutely not be given this huge carrot for totally disregarding the code
No issue with any of the other counties in the JFC or having a route to Croke but Kilkenny should be fucked into NFL D4 next year and told to suck it up
Can you please take a day off from giving out?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 30, 2025, 04:40:44 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 30, 2025, 03:51:28 PMQuote from: Maroon Manc on June 30, 2025, 02:57:50 PMGalway, Armagh & Dublin all looked lifeless. Group of death took its toil, will be glad to see the back of the group stage. You'd wonder if McGeeney regrets putting that much effort into the Galway game, as for Galway the manners of the games didn't help and eventually caught up with them.
I was happy enough at half time as thought it looked like a deliberate tactic in the first half to slow the game down and conserve energy but apart from a crazy 4 minutes in the 2nd half Galway never looked comfortable. Meath fully deserving winners.
Imagine we'll hear in the next few weeks if Joyce will stay on, I hope he does.
Wouldn't be using that excuse at all. Before any group stage Dublin was in a struggle against Wicklow and then taken out by Meath. Armagh had issues all year with kick outs and defensively, they strugged to adjust with the new rules and Galway was the same and the tribesmen performance yesterday wasn't much different than the one against Mayo in the Connacht final just managed to fall over the line in that one.
Nor would I use it as excuse. The media went out their way to talk it up as the group of death however in reality and now in hindsight it was group of teams struggling to find any decent consistent form and reach the level they are capable of. All four are deservedly out of the championship now and Galway was lucky to even get out of the group.
In regards to Armagh the new rules has set McGeeney's men back, alarm bells was ringing about the defensive issues in the first championship game against Antrim who was relegated to Division 4 and gave the freedom of Croke Park to Sean O'Shea yesterday. Rafferty's kick outs was just as bad against Dublin in Croke Park a few weeks ago instead Dublin wasted chance after chance because they aren't very good anymore and Kerry exploited Armagh's defence and poor kick outs to the max.
True enough. Dublin had a similar 10-15 minute spell where they dominated Armagh's kick outs but couldn't score. That should have been a warning to Armagh ahead of the Kerry match
Quote from: gallsman on June 30, 2025, 06:46:23 PMQuote from: maddog on June 30, 2025, 05:17:26 PMCongrats Kerry, all the talk of bad Kerry team etc was bought be exactly noone. Best team on the day progressed. O'Shea was 10/10
I don't know how many said Kerry were a bad team tbh. Most of the commentary was about how it was hard to judge them given they'd basically played nobody and they had a massive injury crisis, which is absolutely the case.
I think based on Jack's comments the criticism of Kerry was mostly from their own people.
You could only judge Kerry on how they played, regardless of who they played, they were, by their own standards, very poor, did enough to win but didn't exactly play well that would have said Kerry were contenders
Kerry panel were fired up by comments by their own, including Dara O'Se. Especially after the Meath game. They were at a low ebb. Players were calling for more people to travel to Dublin to support them etc.
Hence then you saw the Armagh performance. Granted Armagh, were brutal in 2nd hlf but Kerry went for it. But there was a fire in Kerry. They were written off and came out fighting.
Only thing for me now is, can they do it again in 2 weeks?
Can they bring the same fire to CP again? I'm not so sure.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 30, 2025, 10:50:15 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on June 30, 2025, 04:40:44 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 30, 2025, 03:51:28 PMQuote from: Maroon Manc on June 30, 2025, 02:57:50 PMGalway, Armagh & Dublin all looked lifeless. Group of death took its toil, will be glad to see the back of the group stage. You'd wonder if McGeeney regrets putting that much effort into the Galway game, as for Galway the manners of the games didn't help and eventually caught up with them.
I was happy enough at half time as thought it looked like a deliberate tactic in the first half to slow the game down and conserve energy but apart from a crazy 4 minutes in the 2nd half Galway never looked comfortable. Meath fully deserving winners.
Imagine we'll hear in the next few weeks if Joyce will stay on, I hope he does.
Wouldn't be using that excuse at all. Before any group stage Dublin was in a struggle against Wicklow and then taken out by Meath. Armagh had issues all year with kick outs and defensively, they strugged to adjust with the new rules and Galway was the same and the tribesmen performance yesterday wasn't much different than the one against Mayo in the Connacht final just managed to fall over the line in that one.
Nor would I use it as excuse. The media went out their way to talk it up as the group of death however in reality and now in hindsight it was group of teams struggling to find any decent consistent form and reach the level they are capable of. All four are deservedly out of the championship now and Galway was lucky to even get out of the group.
In regards to Armagh the new rules has set McGeeney's men back, alarm bells was ringing about the defensive issues in the first championship game against Antrim who was relegated to Division 4 and gave the freedom of Croke Park to Sean O'Shea yesterday. Rafferty's kick outs was just as bad against Dublin in Croke Park a few weeks ago instead Dublin wasted chance after chance because they aren't very good anymore and Kerry exploited Armagh's defence and poor kick outs to the max.
True enough. Dublin had a similar 10-15 minute spell where they dominated Armagh's kick outs but couldn't score. That should have been a warning to Armagh ahead of the Kerry match
The similarities on the kick out stats was striking in those two Armagh games in Croke Park.
Kerry on Sunday won 13 of Armagh kick outs and another two went out over the sideline. Dublin won 14 of Armagh kick outs a few weeks ago.
The shooting efficiency was very different.
Kerry on Sunday 27 scores from 36 shots
Dublin v Armagh had 16 scores from 37 shots
Did Armagh go away from that game and think all was fine as they had beaten Dublin while not addressing the issues with the team? Dublin was just as poor in their shooting against Tyrone at the weekend with 16 scores from 36 shots so probably wise that Tyrone don't fall into the same trap of thinking all is ok after beating Dublin in Croke Park.
How much game time did Blaine Hughes get this year?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6J-KXlgdV0
Armagh without a doubt the sorest losers in Ireland.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 01, 2025, 08:58:24 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6J-KXlgdV0
Armagh without a doubt the sorest losers in Ireland.
Wise up FFS
Quote from: DaleCooper on July 01, 2025, 04:08:21 PMHow much game time did Blaine Hughes get this year?
I feel that the fortuitous change in GK last year had a huge bearing on Armagh's A-I win, especially in the latter stages - Croke
It gets to the point where you need specialists in all roles, hoping that someone can wing it usually doesn't end well, was disappointed to see Hughes dropped back to backup GK for Championship this year
Quote from: tiempo on July 02, 2025, 09:44:37 AMQuote from: DaleCooper on July 01, 2025, 04:08:21 PMHow much game time did Blaine Hughes get this year?
I feel that the fortuitous change in GK last year had a huge bearing on Armagh's A-I win, especially in the latter stages - Croke
It gets to the point where you need specialists in all roles, hoping that someone can wing it usually doesn't end well, was disappointed to see Hughes dropped back to backup GK for Championship this year
Hughes played in the league game in Kerry this year and Kerry destroyed his kickouts too.
Hard for any keeper under that pressure Kerry put on Armagh kickout on Sunday and the lads aren't the field aren't giving Rafferty much of a digout. Rafferty contributes heavily out the field and can step out and play as extra defender also. With his threat from two points I am glad he was the keeper this year. Galway showed that chopping and changing the keeper can cause its own problems.
Would have picked Hughes last year in the old game over Rafferty not know though. Rafferty will have been training as a goalkeeper for quite sometime now so think we are abit past the trying to "wing it" stage with him.
Quote from: statto on July 02, 2025, 10:06:31 AMQuote from: tiempo on July 02, 2025, 09:44:37 AMQuote from: DaleCooper on July 01, 2025, 04:08:21 PMHow much game time did Blaine Hughes get this year?
I feel that the fortuitous change in GK last year had a huge bearing on Armagh's A-I win, especially in the latter stages - Croke
It gets to the point where you need specialists in all roles, hoping that someone can wing it usually doesn't end well, was disappointed to see Hughes dropped back to backup GK for Championship this year
Hughes played in the league game in Kerry this year and Kerry destroyed his kickouts too.
Hard for any keeper under that pressure Kerry put on Armagh kickout on Sunday and the lads aren't the field aren't giving Rafferty much of a digout. Rafferty contributes heavily out the field and can step out and play as extra defender also. With his threat from two points I am glad he was the keeper this year. Galway showed that chopping and changing the keeper can cause its own problems.
Would have picked Hughes last year in the old game over Rafferty not know though. Rafferty will have been training as a goalkeeper for quite sometime now so think we are abit past the trying to "wing it" stage with him.
Keepers get a lot of abuse but it's really a 50/50 process.
1. Their kick must be accurate and 2. The movement of the player out the field must be good.
From what I can see at games, the movement of the players isn't great at imes. It's more of a case of if I don't run here well, the keeper will kick it long and that's easier for me.
Goalkeepers getting bad press with the kickouts.
Makes sense Rafferty was favoured under new regime, was genuinely wondering how much time BH got on field. I understand McGeeney[county managers in general] is not the sentimental type but must be brutally frustrating for the guy.
I think on Sunday Kerry did a number on Crealey, he got the treatment, plus I think he gassed easily in the heat. Grimley was just poor. So Rafferty's options weren't great anywhere, but he wasn't good either.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 02, 2025, 11:04:37 AMI think on Sunday Kerry did a number on Crealey, he got the treatment, plus I think he gassed easily in the heat. Grimley was just poor. So Rafferty's options weren't great anywhere, but he wasn't good either.
I think Crealey was carrying an injury. He was one of the players rested against Galway. Kerry were ready for our normal plan B of going to Murnin too.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 02, 2025, 11:04:37 AMI think on Sunday Kerry did a number on Crealey, he got the treatment, plus I think he gassed easily in the heat. Grimley was just poor. So Rafferty's options weren't great anywhere, but he wasn't good either.
Our midfield were poor and can hardly remember Crealey touching the ball with Grimley similar, as you say Kerry done their homework on us and done us good and proper. They pushed up and gave Rafferty nothing to hit or aim for so praise must go to Kerry for that, we didn't seem to have the energy to burst a gut to try and get a short one away. Sent back up the road with the tail firmly between the legs
Quote from: illdecide on July 02, 2025, 11:27:25 AMQuote from: bennydorano on July 02, 2025, 11:04:37 AMI think on Sunday Kerry did a number on Crealey, he got the treatment, plus I think he gassed easily in the heat. Grimley was just poor. So Rafferty's options weren't great anywhere, but he wasn't good either.
Our midfield were poor and can hardly remember Crealey touching the ball with Grimley similar, as you say Kerry done their homework on us and done us good and proper. They pushed up and gave Rafferty nothing to hit or aim for so praise must go to Kerry for that, we didn't seem to have the energy to burst a gut to try and get a short one away. Sent back up the road with the tail firmly between the legs
Grimley kicked a couple of wides that I would have expected him to get in the first half. Crealey kicked a wide in the second half which I think would have stretched the game out to 6 and would have been a big score after Rian had started to come into the game. After Crealeys miss was really a flawless 15 minutes from Kerry.
The new rules mean kick-outs are probably the most important facet to how a team sets up. More so at club level but teams can get absolutely cleaned out if they can't the ball away. If a team has an aggressive press, it's hard to hit the pockets and the short kick out is almost impossible. Armagh were 5 pts up at one stage and for most of the match everything was going to plan. 13 minutes of sustained pressure on Armagh kickouts from Kerry turned what was shaping up to be a well earned victory into a borderline embarrassing defeat.
It was reminiscent of Tyrone's approach with Kerry in 03, outfought and outthought, but Armagh were principally outfought
You can deploy a tactical press all you want but in the end when the ball goes long and up between 2 players with 2 or 3 more waiting for the break its really a question of fire in the belly on that particular day
In recent years the game was far too weighted towards non-contact piggy in the middle dross, the rules have re-introduced a throwback element to the game that was badly missing - its a godsend to have high fielding at MF, breaking ball contents at MF, and shots sailing over from beyond the arc
Quote from: illdecide on July 02, 2025, 11:27:25 AMQuote from: bennydorano on July 02, 2025, 11:04:37 AMI think on Sunday Kerry did a number on Crealey, he got the treatment, plus I think he gassed easily in the heat. Grimley was just poor. So Rafferty's options weren't great anywhere, but he wasn't good either.
Our midfield were poor and can hardly remember Crealey touching the ball with Grimley similar, as you say Kerry done their homework on us and done us good and proper. They pushed up and gave Rafferty nothing to hit or aim for so praise must go to Kerry for that, we didn't seem to have the energy to burst a gut to try and get a short one away. Sent back up the road with the tail firmly between the legs
Great point on how Kerry pushed up on the kickout.
I wonder if Jack's tactics were partly impacted by the memory of Dublin's last final victory, when KY looked in complete control but lost due to their concession of the kickout to Dublin (which led to the poor pass from White which was intercepted for the goal). Kerry would likely have won in 2023 if they had kept pressure on the Cluxton kickout.
Teams need to have a default tactic to go to when they're getting pressed on their kickouts. For every tactic there's a counter tactic. Teams simply can't afford to get hammered on the kickout like that. Maybe Armagh did have a tactic (hit it to the wings), and it just wasn't enough on the day. From where i was sitting high up in the Davin, Rafferty didn't have a lot of options to kick to. There wasn't much movement and the spaces were pretty much closed off. Eye of the needle stuff trying to pick out a player to ping it to in those circumstances. So the only thing was to try and belt it as long as f... up the pitch and hope one of our players could break it or flick it on for a player running into oceans of space. If a team like Kerry are pushing up, there's going to be space behind - they don't have 17 players on the pitch. If we had got in behind them just the once, that would have scared them enough to stop pushing up. All ifs and maybes, but the lesson for other teams caught in the same scenario is have a tactic to go to, something that will break the cycle. It's not the first time this has happened this year, with the effect of the new rules. I saw Armagh do the same thing in the league match with Dublin. Only difference was, it was in the first half and Dublin had a chance to regroup at half time. The timing of Kerry's press was perfect for them - the third quarter when the game was there to be won, and Armagh didn't have the benefit of a half time analysis to figure out what was happening and a chance to regroup. Plenty of learning there for Tyrone.
Quote from: Armamike on July 02, 2025, 12:40:52 PMTeams need to have a default tactic to go to when they're getting pressed on their kickouts. For every tactic there's a counter tactic. Teams simply can't afford to get hammered on the kickout like that. Maybe Armagh did have a tactic (hit it to the wings), and it just wasn't enough on the day. From where i was sitting high up in the Davin, Rafferty didn't have a lot of options to kick to. There wasn't much movement and the spaces were pretty much closed off. Eye of the needle stuff trying to pick out a player to ping it to in those circumstances. So the only thing was to try and belt it as long as f... up the pitch and hope one of our players could break it or flick it on for a player running into oceans of space. If a team like Kerry are pushing up, there's going to be space behind - they don't have 17 players on the pitch. If we had got in behind them just the once, that would have scared them enough to stop pushing up. All ifs and maybes, but the lesson for other teams caught in the same scenario is have a tactic to go to, something that will break the cycle. It's not the first time this has happened this year, with the effect of the new rules. I saw Armagh do the same thing in the league match with Dublin. Only difference was, it was in the first half and Dublin had a chance to regroup at half time. The timing of Kerry's press was perfect for them - the third quarter when the game was there to be won, and Armagh didn't have the benefit of a half time analysis to figure out what was happening and a chance to regroup. Plenty of learning there for Tyrone.
After 2 or so missed kickouts the default position should have been get it as far away from goal as possible. Long ball down the middle, even a side line ball further down the pitch would have bought them a few extra seconds. Still cant understand how even the keeper didnt think to change it up a bit.
That's the issue with programmed players who couldn't think for themselves and who are overcoached. Tyrone suffered from this problem for the last number of years under Harte.
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 02, 2025, 01:06:31 PMQuote from: Armamike on July 02, 2025, 12:40:52 PMTeams need to have a default tactic to go to when they're getting pressed on their kickouts. For every tactic there's a counter tactic. Teams simply can't afford to get hammered on the kickout like that. Maybe Armagh did have a tactic (hit it to the wings), and it just wasn't enough on the day. From where i was sitting high up in the Davin, Rafferty didn't have a lot of options to kick to. There wasn't much movement and the spaces were pretty much closed off. Eye of the needle stuff trying to pick out a player to ping it to in those circumstances. So the only thing was to try and belt it as long as f... up the pitch and hope one of our players could break it or flick it on for a player running into oceans of space. If a team like Kerry are pushing up, there's going to be space behind - they don't have 17 players on the pitch. If we had got in behind them just the once, that would have scared them enough to stop pushing up. All ifs and maybes, but the lesson for other teams caught in the same scenario is have a tactic to go to, something that will break the cycle. It's not the first time this has happened this year, with the effect of the new rules. I saw Armagh do the same thing in the league match with Dublin. Only difference was, it was in the first half and Dublin had a chance to regroup at half time. The timing of Kerry's press was perfect for them - the third quarter when the game was there to be won, and Armagh didn't have the benefit of a half time analysis to figure out what was happening and a chance to regroup. Plenty of learning there for Tyrone.
After 2 or so missed kickouts the default position should have been get it as far away from goal as possible. Long ball down the middle, even a side line ball further down the pitch would have bought them a few extra seconds. Still cant understand how even the keeper didnt think to change it up a bit.
That's the issue with programmed players who couldn't think for themselves and who are overcoached. Tyrone suffered from this problem for the last number of years under Harte.
He did launch one in the 2nd half and Kerry got the break but he probably should've went again. When you're under pressure taking on difficult kicks isn't the right answer but they're coached to go for what seems like the higher % kick to the wing but that doesn't account for human error and really the fact that the Armagh team froze at the time. Similar happened in the 1st game, Galway got a few scores and the Meath keeper put one over the sideline handing the momentum back to Galway at the time. Putting a ball over the sideline at that point gets the crowd going too in that situation.
Years ago the older keepers would just launch a few as far as possible to break the momentum or go down with a groin injury to break the play up. Don't think you can do that anymore - does the keeper have to go off if he's 'down injured'?
The old momentum breaker was the mystery injury, but that one doesn't get used anymore.
Philly McMahon on the Indo podcast suggested starting a bit of a schmozzle - nothing serious, just a bit of handbags stuff to break the momentum!
Boys trying to work out tactics and counter tactics with the long kickouts when the vast majority of the time it'll come down to luck ie one team will get a run on another team = luckily win most of the breaking ball. Do we really think that when a team wins 7 or 8 out of say 10 kickouts in the middle of a close game that they're unearthing something spectacular and the opposition has suddenly nose dived??
Unless teams start in earthing 8ft players or adopting a rugby lineup style lift, this the way it'll be, some games / periods of time you'll win the ball, some you won't. Under 12s know how to get in for a break. The only ways to counter or kind of control this is
*to create more space, split the middle. But both side will be have similar players there, someone will go up for the ball, another trying to win or break and then the worker bee's, again of equal number trying to get the scraps
* go short. But really only if a team stands off you and you've no wind or the wind is at your back
* get the ball as far up the pitch as possible past the h/w line (again only possible with the wind and why winning the toss has never been more important) and get set if the pin ball machine doesn't go in your favour
During the course of a 60 / 70 min game there will be lapses when a player finds space, runs in a kick is hit right into that space. Or an attacker switches off, doesn't split men and one or 2 go short
There will be clean catches too as there has always been, but with so many fit fast, strong athletic players all scrimmaging a small area of the pitch, well, it really is just a roll of the dice alot of the time
Some excellent points here in the kickout discussion. The big winners I think are Tyrone. Malachy and Co will be flat out working out an A, B and C approach to avoid thst 14 point drubbing Armagh took through total domination of the kick out.
Rafferty is a phenomenal keeper but I can't recall him absolutely booting it to the opposition 45. Maybe he doesn't have it in his locker but we can see how effective it is. Two keepers who absolutely do have this is Morgan and Patton. We got at least 2 if not 3 scores of Dublin in the second half with deep kickout flicked on inside the Dublin 45.
If Kerry win the break then the long kick pass directly into the Kerry FF line isn't really on. Furthermore, it might encourage the press to back off a lot more to allow a safer shorter option.
Fascinating stuff and at the end of the day it might be a case of pure luck rather than any design as JoG2 mentions above.
Quote from: Armamike on July 02, 2025, 01:34:56 PMThe old momentum breaker was the mystery injury, but that one doesn't get used anymore.
Philly McMahon on the Indo podcast suggested starting a bit of a schmozzle - nothing serious, just a bit of handbags stuff to break the momentum!
Says it all that Philly's response to a situation like this is to cheat.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 02, 2025, 01:53:10 PMSome excellent points here in the kickout discussion. The big winners I think are Tyrone. Malachy and Co will be flat out working out an A, B and C approach to avoid thst 14 point drubbing Armagh took through total domination of the kick out.
Rafferty is a phenomenal keeper but I can't recall him absolutely booting it to the opposition 45. Maybe he doesn't have it in his locker but we can see how effective it is. Two keepers who absolutely do have this is Morgan and Patton. We got at least 2 if not 3 scores of Dublin in the second half with deep kickout flicked on inside the Dublin 45.
If Kerry win the break then the long kick pass directly into the Kerry FF line isn't really on. Furthermore, it might encourage the press to back off a lot more to allow a safer shorter option.
Fascinating stuff and at the end of the day it might be a case of pure luck rather than any design as JoG2 mentions above.
If in doubt, boot it as far down the middle of the pitch as you can. Kicking specifically towards sidelines is extremely difficult, when opposing team get a run on you. Teams are far too static at kickouts now. The chaos generated at short kickouts has been minimised.
I think there has to be some sort of thoughtout response to different scenarios, call it a tactic or whatever term you want to use, but I would find it hard to believe that teams aren't looking at this. It's a different type of challenge now that teams can face. "If the other team do this, what will we do?" I would accept that a lot of it comes back to a level of intensity and hunger, and ability to field the ball, and go looking for it when you're team is under pressure. But not so sure it's down to luck or chance.
Different sport, but i remember when Rafa Benitez was at Liverpool, he was on record as saying he had a setplay for when the team were under pressure, or had just conceded a goal. It wasn't rocket science. Along the lines of telling his goalie Pepa Reina to clear the ball, put it out of play over the sideline deep into the opponent's half and get reset. Or something to that effect.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 02, 2025, 01:53:10 PMSome excellent points here in the kickout discussion. The big winners I think are Tyrone. Malachy and Co will be flat out working out an A, B and C approach to avoid thst 14 point drubbing Armagh took through total domination of the kick out.
Rafferty is a phenomenal keeper but I can't recall him absolutely booting it to the opposition 45. Maybe he doesn't have it in his locker but we can see how effective it is. Two keepers who absolutely do have this is Morgan and Patton. We got at least 2 if not 3 scores of Dublin in the second half with deep kickout flicked on inside the Dublin 45.
If Kerry win the break then the long kick pass directly into the Kerry FF line isn't really on. Furthermore, it might encourage the press to back off a lot more to allow a safer shorter option.
Fascinating stuff and at the end of the day it might be a case of pure luck rather than any design as JoG2 mentions above.
I'd attribute Kerrys purple patch and overall performance to a greater hunger rather than luck, sometimes you can't out-tactic a team who are in a flow state with that fire in the belly
I get where the idea of luck comes from but I can't ascribe that to the greats of the game on song, desire would be overriding for me, they beat Armagh to the punch - I also feel the Jarly Og incident was a turning point
Quote from: Armamike on July 02, 2025, 01:34:56 PMThe old momentum breaker was the mystery injury, but that one doesn't get used anymore.
Philly McMahon on the Indo podcast suggested starting a bit of a schmozzle - nothing serious, just a bit of handbags stuff to break the momentum!
He had a point
Tony Blake used to go down in the square with a contact lens problem when we needed a minute back in the late 90s and early 2000s (and we often did ;D).
Is that an option these days? :)
Quote from: J70 on July 02, 2025, 03:56:01 PMTony Blake used to go down in the square with a contact lens problem when we needed a minute back in the late 90s and early 2000s (and we often did ;D).
Is that an option these days? :)
Pat Spillane fell to the ground in search of his contact lense in the 1980 All-Ireland final against Roscommon and the feckin referee gave him a free. That's what you were up against in those days.
Is cramp allowed on a hot day?
Quote from: Armamike on July 02, 2025, 04:44:08 PMIs cramp allowed on a hot day?
Only if you're Michael Murphy
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 02, 2025, 01:53:10 PMSome excellent points here in the kickout discussion. The big winners I think are Tyrone. Malachy and Co will be flat out working out an A, B and C approach to avoid thst 14 point drubbing Armagh took through total domination of the kick out.
Rafferty is a phenomenal keeper but I can't recall him absolutely booting it to the opposition 45. Maybe he doesn't have it in his locker but we can see how effective it is. Two keepers who absolutely do have this is Morgan and Patton. We got at least 2 if not 3 scores of Dublin in the second half with deep kickout flicked on inside the Dublin 45.
If Kerry win the break then the long kick pass directly into the Kerry FF line isn't really on. Furthermore, it might encourage the press to back off a lot more to allow a safer shorter option.
Fascinating stuff and at the end of the day it might be a case of pure luck rather than any design as JoG2 mentions above.
Think he tried one maybe not just as far as their 45 but landed one on Rian who punched it on but Kerry got the break. Should have tried a couple more as the threat of Conaty etc getting on the end of a flick would have forced Kerry back
Kerry pressed well but like anything, there's an element of luck involved too. Even the shot Armagh had in that run of 14 points against them that took a deflection which wrong footed the keeper but just trickled wide.
Ultimately, I don't think Armagh are finished and I don't think Kerry are invincible either. Kerry put pressure on Armagh, got some luck with breaking ball and to their absolute credit, they took full advantage of the situation.
There's an element of a statistical anomaly involved.
Like flipping a coin 100 times in a row, on different occasions you may have a blip of 6 heads in a row.
I say this not only due to winning of 50/50 ball [for example 7 times in a row] but also the conversion rate[75% or something] is outlier territory.
Especially in a game involving top teams.
Quote from: SaffronSports on July 03, 2025, 10:12:01 AMKerry pressed well but like anything, there's an element of luck involved too. Even the shot Armagh had in that run of 14 points against them that took a deflection which wrong footed the keeper but just trickled wide.
Ultimately, I don't think Armagh are finished and I don't think Kerry are invincible either. Kerry put pressure on Armagh, got some luck with breaking ball and to their absolute credit, they took full advantage of the situation.
Kerry were beaten by Armagh last year. It's swings and roundabouts. Armagh will be back again.Maybe for the third Sam. Unless Fermanagh get in the way.
Quote from: DaleCooper on July 03, 2025, 10:29:15 AMThere's an element of a statistical anomaly involved.
Like flipping a coin 100 times in a row, on different occasions you may have a blip of 6 heads in a row.
I say this not only due to winning of 50/50 ball [for example 7 times in a row] but also the conversion rate[75% or something] is outlier territory.
Especially in a game involving top teams.
I like this take, there was something anomalous about it that I'm unwilling to attribute to luck
Kerry got their eye in, Armagh froze, given the stage the game was at it was enough to win the game pulling up
Thinking back now , I don't know why Rafferty didn't drive it as far as he could down the field. He's easily capable of hitting beyond midfield. Spread the game , push Kerry back. Get them away from the Armagh goal/arc
Yes, Kerry might still have won the same amount of ball as they did , but they woukd have been further away from goals to do damage. And as someone said , a breaking ball falling luckily could mean Conaty/McMullan etc on his way towards the Kerry goal
Those couple of balls going over the sideline gave Kerry huge energy
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 03, 2025, 12:41:43 PMThinking back now , I don't know why Rafferty didn't drive it as far as he could down the field. He's easily capable of hitting beyond midfield. Spread the game , push Kerry back. Get them away from the Armagh goal/arc
Yes, Kerry might still have won the same amount of ball as they did , but they woukd have been further away from goals to do damage. And as someone said , a breaking ball falling luckily could mean Conaty/McMullan etc on his way towards the Kerry goal
Those couple of balls going over the sideline gave Kerry huge energy
Aiming for a target within a few yards of the sideline is beyond me too, once in a while maybe yes if someone is in space or on the run where you kick it into their path, but static targets with practically zero margin for error just seems silly, there was plenty of it over the weekend from a few teams, trying to create these sexy precision set piece plays at times when its not needed
Was ego at play re Rafferty and risky kick outs? Would be hard not to buy into it.
I watched the first half of our game v Kerry in 2021 when Moran was still going strong for kingdom. Nearly every kick from Morgan went well beyond midfield. Now we lost plenty of them but Kerry got very little joy as they were too far away for a long ball into FF. We mainly went man to man in FB line as well so it wasn't as if there was a Donegal style mass retreat to flood the D.
Big Finbar had it right the whole time with the rugby boots and a toe-hoke as high and far as humanly possible
Morgan was incredible in that game and still he had a couple of big errors. Tyrones long kicking that year was incredible, they'll be hoping for some new tactical innovation to wrong foot the Kingdom.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 03, 2025, 02:57:09 PMWas ego at play re Rafferty and risky kick outs? Would be hard not to buy into it.
I watched the first half of our game v Kerry in 2021 when Moran was still going strong for kingdom. Nearly every kick from Morgan went well beyond midfield. Now we lost plenty of them but Kerry got very little joy as they were too far away for a long ball into FF. We mainly went man to man in FB line as well so it wasn't as if there was a Donegal style mass retreat to flood the D.
Rafferty definitely has swagger, some would say arrogance but I like players having a bit of dimension. Wish we had more rather than this sanitised "community hero" mould they all have to fit into.
Quote from: tiempo on July 03, 2025, 03:04:31 PMBig Finbar had it right the whole time with the rugby boots and a toe-hoke as high and far as humanly possible
Aye, the Big Jack way. People scoffed at him but he was right
With the new rules, when you're playing the ball to the corner back , and trying to work it out , your passing and handling from everyone has to be spot on. One fumble, and the ball could be in your net
These new kick out rules are here to stay , and kick outs are now 50/50. So is it not better, just to hoof it as far as you can? Put it into the opposing half and scrap like feck for it. One fumble from them/, and you're in on their goal . I think that's what Armagh should have done
2 Ulster Refs for the Semi Finals - McQuillan and Faloon.
If I was a conspiracy believer.....
Quote from: tiempo on July 03, 2025, 12:48:24 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on July 03, 2025, 12:41:43 PMThinking back now , I don't know why Rafferty didn't drive it as far as he could down the field. He's easily capable of hitting beyond midfield. Spread the game , push Kerry back. Get them away from the Armagh goal/arc
Yes, Kerry might still have won the same amount of ball as they did , but they woukd have been further away from goals to do damage. And as someone said , a breaking ball falling luckily could mean Conaty/McMullan etc on his way towards the Kerry goal
Those couple of balls going over the sideline gave Kerry huge energy
Aiming for a target within a few yards of the sideline is beyond me too, once in a while maybe yes if someone is in space or on the run where you kick it into their path, but static targets with practically zero margin for error just seems silly, there was plenty of it over the weekend from a few teams, trying to create these sexy precision set piece plays at times when its not needed
The idea is that if the kickout misses its target the ball is more than likely going to go dead; a safer alternative to losing the kickout directly to the opposition with the ball in play.
Quote from: tiempo on July 03, 2025, 03:04:31 PMBig Finbar had it right the whole time with the rugby boots and a toe-hoke as high and far as humanly possible
Casement Park 1999 stands out for me - Mickey McVeigh and Finbar tried the whole game to hit each other with a kick out - absolute boomers straight down the middle for the whole game.
Quote from: greatpoint on July 03, 2025, 05:00:11 PMQuote from: tiempo on July 03, 2025, 12:48:24 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on July 03, 2025, 12:41:43 PMThinking back now , I don't know why Rafferty didn't drive it as far as he could down the field. He's easily capable of hitting beyond midfield. Spread the game , push Kerry back. Get them away from the Armagh goal/arc
Yes, Kerry might still have won the same amount of ball as they did , but they woukd have been further away from goals to do damage. And as someone said , a breaking ball falling luckily could mean Conaty/McMullan etc on his way towards the Kerry goal
Those couple of balls going over the sideline gave Kerry huge energy
Aiming for a target within a few yards of the sideline is beyond me too, once in a while maybe yes if someone is in space or on the run where you kick it into their path, but static targets with practically zero margin for error just seems silly, there was plenty of it over the weekend from a few teams, trying to create these sexy precision set piece plays at times when its not needed
The idea is that if the kickout misses its target the ball is more than likely going to go dead; a safer alternative to losing the kickout directly to the opposition with the ball in play.
That sounds like it's right but with a big crowd getting on it, the ball over the side line feels like a turnover
Quote from: clonian on July 03, 2025, 05:06:26 PMQuote from: tiempo on July 03, 2025, 03:04:31 PMBig Finbar had it right the whole time with the rugby boots and a toe-hoke as high and far as humanly possible
Casement Park 1999 stands out for me - Mickey McVeigh and Finbar tried the whole game to hit each other with a kick out - absolute boomers straight down the middle for the whole game.
The more things change!
https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1059993/
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 26, 2025, 01:36:00 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 25, 2025, 05:39:48 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 25, 2025, 01:29:35 PMThe refs for the quarter finals
Monaghan v Donegal - Paddy Neilan (Roscommon)
Tyrone v Dublin - David Goldrick (Meath)
Meath v Galway- Martin McNally (Monaghan)
Armagh v Kerry - Brendan Cawley (Kildare)
Hurson and Faloon waiting for bigger days out?
Or McQuillan and Cassidy?
Retiring after this year so probably one last big game pencilled in for him?
To answer my own question, yes.
Confirmed refs for the Semi finals
Kerry v Tyrone - Joe McQuillan
Meath v Donegal - Paul Faloon
Quote from: clonian on July 03, 2025, 05:06:26 PMQuote from: tiempo on July 03, 2025, 03:04:31 PMBig Finbar had it right the whole time with the rugby boots and a toe-hoke as high and far as humanly possible
Casement Park 1999 stands out for me - Mickey McVeigh and Finbar tried the whole game to hit each other with a kick out - absolute boomers straight down the middle for the whole game.
;D ;D the height Finbar kickouts came in at weren't doing anyone any favours, nearly came down vertically, at club level no-one was catching them
Quote from: greatpoint on July 03, 2025, 05:00:11 PMQuote from: tiempo on July 03, 2025, 12:48:24 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on July 03, 2025, 12:41:43 PMThinking back now , I don't know why Rafferty didn't drive it as far as he could down the field. He's easily capable of hitting beyond midfield. Spread the game , push Kerry back. Get them away from the Armagh goal/arc
Yes, Kerry might still have won the same amount of ball as they did , but they woukd have been further away from goals to do damage. And as someone said , a breaking ball falling luckily could mean Conaty/McMullan etc on his way towards the Kerry goal
Those couple of balls going over the sideline gave Kerry huge energy
Aiming for a target within a few yards of the sideline is beyond me too, once in a while maybe yes if someone is in space or on the run where you kick it into their path, but static targets with practically zero margin for error just seems silly, there was plenty of it over the weekend from a few teams, trying to create these sexy precision set piece plays at times when its not needed
The idea is that if the kickout misses its target the ball is more than likely going to go dead; a safer alternative to losing the kickout directly to the opposition with the ball in play.
I understand theres coaching logic behind that but its glass half empty, GAA teams are better suited to a seize the day mentality than risk containment, eventually it precipitates to overthinking fear and doubt
Quote from: tiempo on July 03, 2025, 05:33:50 PMQuote from: clonian on July 03, 2025, 05:06:26 PMQuote from: tiempo on July 03, 2025, 03:04:31 PMBig Finbar had it right the whole time with the rugby boots and a toe-hoke as high and far as humanly possible
Casement Park 1999 stands out for me - Mickey McVeigh and Finbar tried the whole game to hit each other with a kick out - absolute boomers straight down the middle for the whole game.
;D ;D the height Finbar kickouts came in at weren't doing anyone any favours, nearly came down vertically, at club level no-one was catching them
With Mickey they were long range missiles. He landed one in the D that day from the 20m line. No hips left on him now. Those guys absolutely smashed the ball compared to the likes of Beggan and Patton today.
Quote from: tiempo on July 03, 2025, 05:36:32 PMQuote from: greatpoint on July 03, 2025, 05:00:11 PMQuote from: tiempo on July 03, 2025, 12:48:24 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on July 03, 2025, 12:41:43 PMThinking back now , I don't know why Rafferty didn't drive it as far as he could down the field. He's easily capable of hitting beyond midfield. Spread the game , push Kerry back. Get them away from the Armagh goal/arc
Yes, Kerry might still have won the same amount of ball as they did , but they woukd have been further away from goals to do damage. And as someone said , a breaking ball falling luckily could mean Conaty/McMullan etc on his way towards the Kerry goal
Those couple of balls going over the sideline gave Kerry huge energy
Aiming for a target within a few yards of the sideline is beyond me too, once in a while maybe yes if someone is in space or on the run where you kick it into their path, but static targets with practically zero margin for error just seems silly, there was plenty of it over the weekend from a few teams, trying to create these sexy precision set piece plays at times when its not needed
The idea is that if the kickout misses its target the ball is more than likely going to go dead; a safer alternative to losing the kickout directly to the opposition with the ball in play.
I understand theres coaching logic behind that but its glass half empty, GAA teams are better suited to a seize the day mentality than risk containment, eventually it precipitates to overthinking fear and doubt
I think that's a bit reductive to be honest
Quote from: clonian on July 03, 2025, 05:54:21 PMQuote from: tiempo on July 03, 2025, 05:33:50 PMQuote from: clonian on July 03, 2025, 05:06:26 PMQuote from: tiempo on July 03, 2025, 03:04:31 PMBig Finbar had it right the whole time with the rugby boots and a toe-hoke as high and far as humanly possible
Casement Park 1999 stands out for me - Mickey McVeigh and Finbar tried the whole game to hit each other with a kick out - absolute boomers straight down the middle for the whole game.
;D ;D the height Finbar kickouts came in at weren't doing anyone any favours, nearly came down vertically, at club level no-one was catching them
With Mickey they were long range missiles. He landed one in the D that day from the 20m line. No hips left on him now. Those guys absolutely smashed the ball compared to the likes of Beggan and Patton today.
The game is actually on you tube, watched a bit of it earlier, interesting line up
This thread has slowed down since Armagh exited the championship.
New threads for each of the semi-finals probably a bigger reason!
And it's a Tyrone v Meath Final going by those :o
Question
With he impending ONeill County clean up - has it ever been done before?
Minor
20/21s
Senior
In one year.
Great to see the ONeills back at their rightful spot. Kings of Ireland.
Quote from: Grace Murphy on July 06, 2025, 11:26:02 AMQuestion
With he impending ONeill County clean up - has it ever been done before?
Minor
20/21s
Senior
In one year.
Great to see the ONeills back at their rightful spot. Kings of Ireland.
1975
Kerry beat Tyrone handy 1-10 to 0-4 in minor
They beat Dublin 1-15 1-10 in 21s.
Won Senior v Dubs 2-12 0-11.
Corker pitch very slippy today too.
Quote from: trileacman on July 06, 2025, 04:27:43 PMCorker pitch very slippy today too.
Any rain at all it's very slippy was the same for the 4 football quarter finals.
Do seagulls really not like hurling? I see they abandoned Croke Park today and are down watching the Meath v Tipp women's football 😮
Quote from: Rossfan on July 03, 2025, 04:58:37 PM2 Ulster Refs for the Semi Finals - McQuillan and Faloon.
If I was a conspiracy believer.....
Well if Tyrone were relying on a good call from McQuillan they would wait a very very long time. Too long for any win.
I know there are threads on the new rules and threads on the split season, and that nothing will ever be perfect, BUT this has been a good year overall and there have been some cracking games.
Louth winning Leinster and Meath coming back also meant bigger crowds and overall there's a more positive buzz to the championship in my head. The negative voices seem to be gettting drowned out by the actual football on show.
I know on the split season there is always chatter about giving up the summer, but no matter how hard they try noone gives a damn about the Lions or a lot of the other things.
Even if there are other big events there is still not as much genuine engagement compared to the GAA. We should never let armchaor fans dictate it.
The buzz with the games this weekend is brilliant. I'd still like a tweak to give an extra break week here or there mind around the business end of things to build hype.
The week or two extra spacing would help with injuries but the simple solution is less games.
The pre quarter final games were a total waste of time, just eliminate two teams at group stage. Would make groups more exciting as well.
Groups are gone now (unless the Special Congress brings them back - unlikely)
Yes football is watchable and enjoyable again.
You can now watch and enjoy games where you're a neutral.
My main thing is there are always tweaks but when the usual misery-guts lads tried to continously pipe up the actual games spoke for themselves.
The players also speak of tenjoying the game more, and even some old-fashioned defenders like Rafferty are coming to the fore.
Like in Leinster alone Wicklow showed well againt the Dubs. Kildare v Westmeath and Louth were both proper championship games. Then Meath beating the Dubs blew it all wide open and you had an amazing occasion for the final.
Like we can actually say it's been a good year and personally I am looking forward to the big games. It's like the Champions League. When it gets into the serious stuff the quality is awesome and with no skin in the game it sucks you in.
This weekend I am on the Tailteann Cup bandwagon but can't wait for the other game.
Any ideas of what crowds are expected over the weekend?
Quote from: toby47 on July 11, 2025, 05:27:14 PMAny ideas of what crowds are expected over the weekend?
50k mebbe 60 Sat Kerry waiting final and Orange demos
80k Sun all of Mhi
Think Tyrone will go close, could be a draw, but think Kerry might just shade it, a lot hype over the Armagh game, but Armagh were just crap on the day and Kerry played their best.
Both teams will have had time to look at each other and be interesting to see the tactics/marking/plan for this game
I feel the run of Meath will die out tomorrow, no doubt that Meath will have a go at Donegal, but Donegal have proven that when it matters they have another gear, not sure if they can keep that going all the time but that has been they way its panned out all year.
Kildare to just shade it in the other game, Limerick have done really well to get to the final, but if Kldare really have aspirations to be in the mix next year they really have to prove against Limerick
Tyrone by 3 IF Morgan , Kennedy and McCurry have huge games.
Watched Armagh game back and Kerrys defence looked shaky once Armagh broke through first line.
Mike Breen is in for Tom O Sullivan and his hamstring will be seriously tested. McKernan will play I feel and make a big contribution in Crokers wide open spaces.
The combined experience favours Tyrone and if their midfield can handle Joe OConnor will be good sign. Kilpatrick/meyler running into traffic last day almost cost them goals though.
The good conditions suit both teams, Tyrones nippy inside forwards should thrive.
A feast for neutrals.
They do have some inexperienced men wing forward and few defenders who could come of age.
It's days like these more unhealed players can make a name for themselves. Have a notion Seanie O'Donnell will pick up Paudie Clifford. He took Ryan McHugh in Ballybofey. If it is him he'll need to be more aggressive than he has been.
Ciaran Daly has probably the best engine in the Tyrone panel. It'll be needed in the heat. He had a strong game the last day. If he can take a step forward he can have a big influence.
Tyrone haven't clicked this season. If they can today they'll not be far away.
Take the point every single time McCurry...
2 poor enough semi finals. Very disappointing as a neutral.
The media have hyped it up as the best championhsip in years. More high scoring.but even the quarter final games weren't great. Monaghan v Donegal maybe the best game. Galway v Meath was mostly poor fare. Armagh were flat as a pancake. Tyrone v Dublin was poor.
Quote from: snoopdog on July 13, 2025, 07:27:23 PM2 poor enough semi finals. Very disappointing as a neutral.
Majority of the knockout games in this years championship has been disappointing for neutrals. If we get a good close final all pundits and journalists will ignore that and try to convince us all that everything has been great under these new rules.
It's better than what's been served up for years.. one season nearly done and the knives are out.
Tough gig
Yep, football more watchable this year.
Also no boloxology around frees or abusing refs.
Pity the semis were one-sided but the Rules can't do much about the 2 best teams in the Country batin poorer teams.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 13, 2025, 07:37:59 PMQuote from: snoopdog on July 13, 2025, 07:27:23 PM2 poor enough semi finals. Very disappointing as a neutral.
Majority of the knockout games in this years championship has been disappointing for neutrals. If we get a good close final all pundits and journalists will ignore that and try to convince us all that everything has been great under these new rules.
So same as it ever was.
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 13, 2025, 08:32:45 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on July 13, 2025, 07:37:59 PMQuote from: snoopdog on July 13, 2025, 07:27:23 PM2 poor enough semi finals. Very disappointing as a neutral.
Majority of the knockout games in this years championship has been disappointing for neutrals. If we get a good close final all pundits and journalists will ignore that and try to convince us all that everything has been great under these new rules.
So same as it ever was.
New rules was sold on improving the product. The business end of the championship last year had better and more competitive games for neutrals to watch than this summer.
But the overall championship had a lot more better games... do we just judge it on QFs and SFs??
Quote from: screenexile on July 13, 2025, 08:56:53 PMBut the overall championship had a lot more better games... do we just judge it on QFs and SFs??
Maybe a few more better games in the All Ireland group series. The provincials were much of a muchness to other years. Dublin going out was excitement but not great quality. The Leinster final was decent. Tyrone v Armagh was a good game in Ulster. The last few Ulster finals have been good. Cork going to extra time with kerry was a good game.
Quote from: screenexile on July 13, 2025, 08:56:53 PMBut the overall championship had a lot more better games... do we just judge it on QFs and SFs??
Any new rules or new formats are ultimately judged on knock out championship football.
Lads, its the first year of the new rules. Some teams have adapted quicker than others, but its hard to argue that they haven't opened up the game. In my view the new rules are a huge success, and will only enhance the game further as teams get used to them. Some chaps are hard to please.
I've said it a few times this year, with the new rules we'll have as many rubbish, middling and good games as under the old rules. Nothing I've seen this year has changed my mind, but I do think the game will improve as the rules bed in over time.
I would have been happy enough to have left the old rules in place but for Ulster schools & colleges football, I watched a lot over the past few years and it genuinely needed saving from itself.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 13, 2025, 09:43:13 PMI've said it a few times this year, with the new rules we'll have as many rubbish, middling and good games as under the old rules. Nothing I've seen this year has changed my mind, but I do think the game will improve as the rules bed in over time.
I would have been happy enough to have left the old rules in place but for Ulster schools & colleges football, I watched a lot over the past few years and it genuinely needed saving from itself.
More tweaks will probably be needed to hope things improve over time. At the moment things are too in favour of forward play, truly good games has a good balance between defence and attack in matches.
The main problem is the lack of seeding to placate provincial championships, and it will be a problem again next year because the eight provincial finalists will be drawn against the remaining top ranked team in the first round. It really should be the 4 provincial winners + next 4 based on league against the next 8 ranked teams. But they can't get away from treating a provincial loser with a top 8 ranking even thought apart from Ulster, and sometimes Connacht, it's likely they are Div 2/3 teams.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 13, 2025, 09:51:10 PMQuote from: bennydorano on July 13, 2025, 09:43:13 PMI've said it a few times this year, with the new rules we'll have as many rubbish, middling and good games as under the old rules. Nothing I've seen this year has changed my mind, but I do think the game will improve as the rules bed in over time.
I would have been happy enough to have left the old rules in place but for Ulster schools & colleges football, I watched a lot over the past few years and it genuinely needed saving from itself.
More tweaks will probably be needed to hope things improve over time. At the moment things are too in favour of forward play, truly good games has a good balance between defence and attack in matches.
How do we rebalance to help defenders?
Strict enforcement of the 4 step rule? Good luck with that!
Allow 1 man to hold the opponent with the ball? Smacks of rugger/AFL.
Allow stripping the ball from opponents hand? Why not?
Any thoughts?
But do defenders need help, might actually have to learn to defend? Back on the 90's most battles were 1 on 1 with the forward and the back
Quote from: Rossfan on July 14, 2025, 07:42:31 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 13, 2025, 09:51:10 PMQuote from: bennydorano on July 13, 2025, 09:43:13 PMI've said it a few times this year, with the new rules we'll have as many rubbish, middling and good games as under the old rules. Nothing I've seen this year has changed my mind, but I do think the game will improve as the rules bed in over time.
I would have been happy enough to have left the old rules in place but for Ulster schools & colleges football, I watched a lot over the past few years and it genuinely needed saving from itself.
More tweaks will probably be needed to hope things improve over time. At the moment things are too in favour of forward play, truly good games has a good balance between defence and attack in matches.
How do we rebalance to help defenders?
Strict enforcement of the 4 step rule? Good luck with that!
Allow 1 man to hold the opponent with the ball? Smacks of rugger/AFL.
Allow stripping the ball from opponents hand? Why not?
Any thoughts?
That's what the FRC need to look at. They were first brought in to move away from a defensive and possession focus game and now need to strike a balance.
This year was basically trial year to see what does and doesn't work before the rules are locked in for a few years.
'To those who insist on keeping the old rules:the game was dying. The new rules have saved it.They've brought fresh energy, new fans, and the future for something we all care about.long may this progress continues.
Quote from: Sideline12 on July 15, 2025, 12:24:42 AM'To those who insist on keeping the old rules:the game was dying. The new rules have saved it.They've brought fresh energy, new fans, and the future for something we all care about.long may this progress continues.
Has anybody done that? Too many new rules changes in short space of time has naturally left things unbalanced and no doubt that will be discussed by HQ as they look to the future and before 2026 inter county season gets up and running.
Are the pre-season competitions gone for good now e.g. Mc Kenna Cup and O'Byrne Cup etc.?
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 13, 2025, 07:36:23 PMThe media have hyped it up as the best championhsip in years. More high scoring.but even the quarter final games weren't great. Monaghan v Donegal maybe the best game. Galway v Meath was mostly poor fare. Armagh were flat as a pancake. Tyrone v Dublin was poor.
only saw the second half of Meath and Galway but thought it was enjoyable and plenty of excitement, Morris was amazing to watch that day. Armagh Kerry wasn't much of a contest but some of O'Sheas scores were top class and I'm sure great for the neutral. The Saturday games were hampered by the slippy pitch.
Quote from: marty34 on July 15, 2025, 06:44:49 AMAre the pre-season competitions gone for good now e.g. Mc Kenna Cup and O'Byrne Cup etc.?
The GPA lobbied for retaining them on player welfare grounds, therefore they were retained
The GPA lobbied for removing them on player welfare grounds, therefore they were removed
In short, whatever way the wind is blowing
Quote from: weareros on July 14, 2025, 01:37:13 PMThe main problem is the lack of seeding to placate provincial championships, and it will be a problem again next year because the eight provincial finalists will be drawn against the remaining top ranked team in the first round. It really should be the 4 provincial winners + next 4 based on league against the next 8 ranked teams. But they can't get away from treating a provincial loser with a top 8 ranking even thought apart from Ulster, and sometimes Connacht, it's likely they are Div 2/3 teams.
Totally agree with this in regards to lack of seeding and clinging to provincial structures is what prevents it. The same happens in hurling.
They should playoff provincials as a stand alone tournament. Seedings for AI championship are based on last year's championship, league position and provincial form. Then do a draw based for AI series based on seeding, proper knockout.
Maybe even run off the Taitleann cup first, winners get into AI preliminary round. That way every county is in the AI race theoretically. A nice carrot for the winners
Quote from: tiempo on July 15, 2025, 09:40:28 AMQuote from: marty34 on July 15, 2025, 06:44:49 AMAre the pre-season competitions gone for good now e.g. Mc Kenna Cup and O'Byrne Cup etc.?
The GPA lobbied for retaining them on player welfare grounds, therefore they were retained
The GPA lobbied for removing them on player welfare grounds, therefore they were removed
In short, whatever way the wind is blowing
Has there been one admission from anyone in GPA / GAA that this was a huge mistake? It was so obviously needed this year it should raise questions about the competency of those who were the decision makers.
They won't admit teams broke the rules and trained out of season (no doubt still putting in for expenses)
Its a battle between Provincial Councils who need their competition gates to stay afloat operationally, and the GPA who are on a crusade for complete control of the GAA-LGFA and by extension the revenue streams - I don't think we've heard the last of it
Rent-free ::)
Quote from: marty34 on July 15, 2025, 06:44:49 AMAre the pre-season competitions gone for good now e.g. Mc Kenna Cup and O'Byrne Cup etc.?
Other than the McKenna Cup are any of them worth bringing back?
O'Byrne cup became a competition of opt outs
FBD once moved into the air dome the lack of interest was seen with Galway fielding a development panel while their senior panel was off playing challenges else where.
The McGrath Cup the last few years did give Cork,Clare,Limerick the opportunity to win it.
The McKenna Cup had its day too. Some counties took it too serious. Starting rows a week after christmas.
Donaghy has stepped away from his role in Armagh
Quote from: Deerstalker on July 16, 2025, 06:52:31 PMDonaghy has stepped away from his role in Armagh
Wonder is he eyeing up a managers post? Plenty going.
Mckenna cup was a good way of getting over christmas!
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 16, 2025, 07:21:28 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on July 16, 2025, 06:52:31 PMDonaghy has stepped away from his role in Armagh
Wonder is he eyeing up a managers post? Plenty going.
Connacht Telegraph sure to have the scoop.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 16, 2025, 07:21:28 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on July 16, 2025, 06:52:31 PMDonaghy has stepped away from his role in Armagh
Wonder is he eyeing up a managers post? Plenty going.
Not sure if Mayo would be a good move for him.
Meath are (or should be) looking for coaches as Corey and McMahon were never really replaced.
It's an important year for us next year to build on this years progress and not slide back to mediocrity.
Hopefully the management and the county board are on the case already while the lessons we got from Donegal are fresh in the mind.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 16, 2025, 11:59:33 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on July 16, 2025, 07:21:28 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on July 16, 2025, 06:52:31 PMDonaghy has stepped away from his role in Armagh
Wonder is he eyeing up a managers post? Plenty going.
Not sure if Mayo would be a good move for him.
Not sure if Donaghy would be a good move for Mayo either.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 16, 2025, 11:59:33 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on July 16, 2025, 07:21:28 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on July 16, 2025, 06:52:31 PMDonaghy has stepped away from his role in Armagh
Wonder is he eyeing up a managers post? Plenty going.
Not sure if Mayo would be a good move for him.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 16, 2025, 11:59:33 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on July 16, 2025, 07:21:28 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on July 16, 2025, 06:52:31 PMDonaghy has stepped away from his role in Armagh
Wonder is he eyeing up a managers post? Plenty going.
Not sure if Mayo would be a good move for him.
After the "relieving him of his duties" message from the Mayo County Board, the Mayo job is looked on as a poison chalice.