Was at our first club game since the introduction of the new rules, and was pleasantly surprised by how open it was. Much less handpassing around the 45 (tho still some), less slobbering at the ref, and both teams trying to get the ball forward quickly.
In the two games, I've viewed the club refs are ignoring the keeping 3 up rules!
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on April 01, 2025, 07:23:38 PMIn the two games, I've viewed the club refs are ignoring the keeping 3 up rules!
By and large yeah. Mainly as they are on their own and not mic'd up and everyone is claiming a team is breaking the rule!
I'm not sure how they thought this one through
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2025, 07:28:50 PMQuote from: Delgany 2nds on April 01, 2025, 07:23:38 PMIn the two games, I've viewed the club refs are ignoring the keeping 3 up rules!
By and large yeah. Mainly as they are on their own and not mic'd up and everyone is claiming a team is breaking the rule!
I'm not sure how they thought this one through
Said on another thread, simple tweak that if they interfere with play it's a free from where they touched the ball/player.
Few club games I've seen the problem is the inconsistent application of the solo and go, should be 4 steps unopposed then fair game
But it's the constant looking back and counting and hearing the now new cry from players and managers 'they've only 3 back' or 'two up front'
I see it I'll call it. As for the solo and go, half the ones last week the players couldn't even do a solo without them ballsing that up, it came back for a free, as for the steps, they can take 4 steps before the solo and go and get another 4 meters! Before they are tackled, which is bonkers
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2025, 08:28:29 PMBut it's the constant looking back and counting and hearing the now new cry from players and managers 'they've only 3 back' or 'two up front'
I see it I'll call it. As for the solo and go, half the ones last week the players couldn't even do a solo without them ballsing that up, it came back for a free, as for the steps, they can take 4 steps before the solo and go and get another 4 meters! Before they are tackled, which is bonkers
Yeah
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2025, 08:28:29 PMBut it's the constant looking back and counting and hearing the now new cry from players and managers 'they've only 3 back' or 'two up front'
I see it I'll call it. As for the solo and go, half the ones last week the players couldn't even do a solo without them ballsing that up, it came back for a free, as for the steps, they can take 4 steps before the solo and go and get another 4 meters! Before they are tackled, which is bonkers
Yeah that's why i think if it's a case of only blowing it if one of the men gets involved it might cut the complaining out. Really isn't making your job easy over something trivial.
Yeah the solo and go is far far too long, 4 steps is plenty.
Tyrone have had to clarify the hooter/final whistle situation in club football with an email to clubs this week.
Basically end of match protocols haven't changed and the referee will deem time and the game ends on his/her whistle. And probably the contentious bit - the ball does need to be out of play for the final whistle to go.
Based on Ballyholland's first game, there'll be dozens of people in the crowd (from both clubs) counting 3-up, when really they should just be watching the game. Then taking every available opportunity to let the ref know how much smarter they are than him when they can can't count two.
Making hysteria out of nothing.
Clowns at a circus. That's what these people are.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2025, 07:28:50 PMQuote from: Delgany 2nds on April 01, 2025, 07:23:38 PMIn the two games, I've viewed the club refs are ignoring the keeping 3 up rules!
By and large yeah. Mainly as they are on their own and not mic'd up and everyone is claiming a team is breaking the rule!
I'm not sure how they thought this one through
What's the craic with the 3 up then? Went to a minor game and the ref seen that there was only 2 up. Didn't give a free and just told one of the players to get back in their own half. Don't mind if it's like that as the player had no impact on the play and would be silly to punish someone because of it. I'm guessing it'll be like a 3 strikes thing where you could get away with it 2 or 3 times but after that a frees given
Quote from: thewobbler on April 02, 2025, 10:30:59 AMBased on Ballyholland's first game, there'll be dozens of people in the crowd (from both clubs) counting 3-up, when really they should just be watching the game. Then taking every available opportunity to let the ref know how much smarter they are than him when they can can't count two.
Making hysteria out of nothing.
Clowns at a circus. That's what these people are.
You're obviously going to be calling it to the attention of the ref though lol. If a team is breaking the rules why should it not be called out? Not like it takes long anyway so don't see what they'd be missing out on. Takes 5 seconds to look back and count 3 players
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 02, 2025, 10:42:24 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2025, 07:28:50 PMQuote from: Delgany 2nds on April 01, 2025, 07:23:38 PMIn the two games, I've viewed the club refs are ignoring the keeping 3 up rules!
By and large yeah. Mainly as they are on their own and not mic'd up and everyone is claiming a team is breaking the rule!
I'm not sure how they thought this one through
What's the craic with the 3 up then? Went to a minor game and the ref seen that there was only 2 up. Didn't give a free and just told one of the players to get back in their own half. Don't mind if it's like that as the player had no impact on the play and would be silly to punish someone because of it. I'm guessing it'll be like a 3 strikes thing where you could get away with it 2 or 3 times but after that a frees given
Was he over 4 meters from the line? Wasn't interfering with play? The ref's have too much on their plate to be looking behind them and counting players , lads over at the sideline getting a drink you look up the pitch and only see 2 and blowing the whistle, its bonkers.. It takes 5 seconds to look round but what if the ref misses something up the pitch, like a penalty call? Sorry lads I was taking 5 seconds to check and see if someone broke the line? Be murdered
I'd hazard a guess and say the only time it can be properly done is at championship matches, linesmen and umpires and fourth official all mic'd up, there will be no buzzers either at club games championship and all as they'll have not used them all year so using it in those games would be unfair, I only know of one ground that has the buzzer in place
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 02, 2025, 11:34:59 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 02, 2025, 10:42:24 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2025, 07:28:50 PMQuote from: Delgany 2nds on April 01, 2025, 07:23:38 PMIn the two games, I've viewed the club refs are ignoring the keeping 3 up rules!
By and large yeah. Mainly as they are on their own and not mic'd up and everyone is claiming a team is breaking the rule!
I'm not sure how they thought this one through
What's the craic with the 3 up then? Went to a minor game and the ref seen that there was only 2 up. Didn't give a free and just told one of the players to get back in their own half. Don't mind if it's like that as the player had no impact on the play and would be silly to punish someone because of it. I'm guessing it'll be like a 3 strikes thing where you could get away with it 2 or 3 times but after that a frees given
Was he over 4 meters from the line? Wasn't interfering with play? The ref's have too much on their plate to be looking behind them and counting players , lads over at the sideline getting a drink you look up the pitch and only see 2 and blowing the whistle, its bonkers.. It takes 5 seconds to look round but what if the ref misses something up the pitch, like a penalty call? Sorry lads I was taking 5 seconds to check and see if someone broke the line? Be murdered
I'd hazard a guess and say the only time it can be properly done is at championship matches, linesmen and umpires and fourth official all mic'd up, there will be no buzzers either at club games championship and all as they'll have not used them all year so using it in those games would be unfair, I only know of one ground that has the buzzer in place
They were well up the pitch by this stage. They had 2 inside and the next closest one was around the 45m mark. As I said don't mind it too much that they weren't punished for it even though the ref seen it but was just wondering how often teams can get away with it. You can't be allowed to break the rules with nothing done about it lol. And I completely agree refs have too much to do at underage and senior club games. They had too much to do without the new rules never mind now
I've tried to manage it, I've looked behind me, I've called a few of them and only got one right, I'm saying, and I've been in the game long enough, its impossible unless the right measures are in place, a stand alone referee has more on his plate to worry about with these rules being brought in and the ramifications that each rule has.
Players and management shouting at the ref will possibly be deemed as dissent and could then go against the team at times, so I would recommend players and management at my club to let the ref get on with it.
I would say to anyone that is wondering how hard it is, would be to take control of an in house game, just to get some sort of idea as to the differences there has been since the new rules has come in, I've been explaining them and players and managers are still not sure, as for the experts behind the wire, well ....
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 02, 2025, 11:34:59 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 02, 2025, 10:42:24 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2025, 07:28:50 PMQuote from: Delgany 2nds on April 01, 2025, 07:23:38 PMIn the two games, I've viewed the club refs are ignoring the keeping 3 up rules!
By and large yeah. Mainly as they are on their own and not mic'd up and everyone is claiming a team is breaking the rule!
I'm not sure how they thought this one through
What's the craic with the 3 up then? Went to a minor game and the ref seen that there was only 2 up. Didn't give a free and just told one of the players to get back in their own half. Don't mind if it's like that as the player had no impact on the play and would be silly to punish someone because of it. I'm guessing it'll be like a 3 strikes thing where you could get away with it 2 or 3 times but after that a frees given
Was he over 4 meters from the line? Wasn't interfering with play? The ref's have too much on their plate to be looking behind them and counting players , lads over at the sideline getting a drink you look up the pitch and only see 2 and blowing the whistle, its bonkers.. It takes 5 seconds to look round but what if the ref misses something up the pitch, like a penalty call? Sorry lads I was taking 5 seconds to check and see if someone broke the line? Be murdered
I'd hazard a guess and say the only time it can be properly done is at championship matches, linesmen and umpires and fourth official all mic'd up, there will be no buzzers either at club games championship and all as they'll have not used them all year so using it in those games would be unfair, I only know of one ground that has the buzzer in place
My refereeing experience is minimal - about 20 x u12 games - but one thing I learned, even at that kindergarten level, is that when you turn around to see what's going on behind you, you will tend to miss important stuff that you should see, where the ball is now.
It's put me firmly in the camp that when a referee misses something / is unsure about something, he has to run with a gut instinct and focus immediately on what's in front of him, or else he will miss something more important again.
Turning around for 5 seconds is not an option.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 02, 2025, 11:57:30 AMI've tried to manage it, I've looked behind me, I've called a few of them and only got one right, I'm saying, and I've been in the game long enough, its impossible unless the right measures are in place, a stand alone referee has more on his plate to worry about with these rules being brought in and the ramifications that each rule has.
Players and management shouting at the ref will possibly be deemed as dissent and could then go against the team at times, so I would recommend players and management at my club to let the ref get on with it.
I would say to anyone that is wondering how hard it is, would be to take control of an in house game, just to get some sort of idea as to the differences there has been since the new rules has come in, I've been explaining them and players and managers are still not sure, as for the experts behind the wire, well ....
Involved a bit this year again, and I'll be doing my utmost to say very little to the ref. Theyve enough to deal with and I fully expect plenty of mistakes.
Referees not giving much of a signal for 2 pointers and no flags for umpires at club grounds leads to scoreboards being wrong
Quote from: Brendan on April 04, 2025, 08:20:08 AMReferees not giving much of a signal for 2 pointers and no flags for umpires at club grounds leads to scoreboards being wrong
Agreed. For the 2-point malarkey to work, there'a no room for confusion.
Was at an underage game yesterday and the referee appeared to bring a sideline in 50m when the ball wasn't handed back to the opposition. Anything I have read suggests that the 50m penalty only applies to a player fouled.
In this instance the defending team ran the ball over the line and walked off with the ball didn't hand it back and delayed the sideline - my understanding is that at most it is the 13m penalty.
Does anyone know if the 50m penalty is applicable for sideline balls?
From watching the match, it will be practically impossible for referees to spot the 4/3 up infringements. With a full forward on the goal line and two corner forwards stretched wide, you needed to do a full scan of the pitch to count players. Although both teams did try and police themselves, I can see it being a bit more contentious come championship matches.
The ref did give a clear signal for the one two pointer scored, but no scoreboard in action so no chance it could be wrong.
Quote from: GTP on April 04, 2025, 09:50:14 AMWas at an underage game yesterday and the referee appeared to bring a sideline in 50m when the ball wasn't handed back to the opposition. Anything I have read suggests that the 50m penalty only applies to a player fouled.
In this instance the defending team ran the ball over the line and walked off with the ball didn't hand it back and delayed the sideline - my understanding is that at most it is the 13m penalty.
Does anyone know if the 50m penalty is applicable for sideline balls?
From watching the match, it will be practically impossible for referees to spot the 4/3 up infringements. With a full forward on the goal line and two corner forwards stretched wide, you needed to do a full scan of the pitch to count players. Although both teams did try and police themselves, I can see it being a bit more contentious come championship matches.
The ref did give a clear signal for the one two pointer scored, but no scoreboard in action so no chance it could be wrong.
If he stopped the player from taking the sideline then move it forward 50 meters (but would need to confirm it), players for a sideline don't have to had the ball back to the player. Why didn't the player just drop the ball after carrying it over? Was there any verbal? which would have given the ref another reason to move the ball..
Its a good question with regards to that though
When the rules are new like this, there isn't a referee in the country that is going to be up to scratch, so best advice is don't give the ref an opportunity to second guess his call
As for score boards, only one score counts and that's the one in his book, three games in and I've had to correct the scoreboard 3 times at half time
It doesn't take much to start a row at a GAA match and the scoreboard is one of the easiest ways
Quote6.4 To show dissent with the Referee's decision to award a free to the opposing team.
Quote from: GTP on April 04, 2025, 09:50:14 AMWas at an underage game yesterday and the referee appeared to bring a sideline in 50m when the ball wasn't handed back to the opposition. Anything I have read suggests that the 50m penalty only applies to a player fouled.
In this instance the defending team ran the ball over the line and walked off with the ball didn't hand it back and delayed the sideline - my understanding is that at most it is the 13m penalty.
Does anyone know if the 50m penalty is applicable for sideline balls?
From watching the match, it will be practically impossible for referees to spot the 4/3 up infringements. With a full forward on the goal line and two corner forwards stretched wide, you needed to do a full scan of the pitch to count players. Although both teams did try and police themselves, I can see it being a bit more contentious come championship matches.
The ref did give a clear signal for the one two pointer scored, but no scoreboard in action so no chance it could be wrong.
Penalty - The free kickalreadyawardedshallbe takenfromaplace 50mmore advantageous than the place of
original kick– up to opponents' 13mline. The playertaking the free may choose to take the free kickfrom
outside the 40marc though the application ofthis Rule would otherwise resultin a free kick frominside the 40m
arc. Furtherdissent on an occasion shall be considered as a breach ofRule 6.1 and shall be penalised accordingly.
Sideline is covered.
Also I think a fair few people still don't know about part (c) Too many people don't realise you have to actively get out of the way of the player fouled - you can't just stand your ground or be sort-of passively in the way.
Quote4.17 To delay an opponent taking a free kick or sideline kick by:
(a) Hitting or kicking the ball away; or not "handing over" the ball(i.e. giving the ball directly to the nearest opposition player, orthe player fouled, in a prompt and respectful manner).
(b) Not releasing the ball to the opposition, or
(c) Deliberately not moving back to allow a quick free or Solo and Go to be taken.
Logically it makes sense that sidelines would be covered by this as well as frees. It would be a ridiculous loop-hole to leave open.
https://www.gaa.ie/article/dissent-to-football-referees-hugely-reduced
No real surprise here. I'd imagine if stats were available for club games it would show the same.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2025, 01:15:43 PMIf he stopped the player from taking the sideline then move it forward 50 meters (but would need to confirm it), players for a sideline don't have to had the ball back to the player. Why didn't the player just drop the ball after carrying it over? Was there any verbal? which would have given the ref another reason to move the ball..
I was at the other end of the pitch so couldn't see / hear exactly what went on so as with any reasonable spectator I have gone with my version of events and concluded the referee was wrong. The ref had been consistent on bringing things forward and he was justified in moving the ball forward, just trying to find out if he was correct within the rules on the distance. It led to a tap over free which ultimately made no difference but that wouldn't always be the case. In my mind a sideline is the same as a 45 and I can't imagine a 45 being brought forward should someone not hand back the ball.
Anything that resulted in it being moved 13m in the old rules is now 50m.The only instance where it will be less than 50m is if it would take it within the 13m line, as all frees must be outside the 13m line.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 04, 2025, 02:40:06 PMAnything that resulted in it being moved 13m in the old rules is now 50m.The only instance where it will be less than 50m is if it would take it within the 13m line, as all frees must be outside the 13m line.
With the exception of dissent from sideline is a yellow card and ball moved to the 20
There is always another exception MR2, isn't there? ;D
Thanks for the clarification.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 04, 2025, 03:33:07 PMThere is always another exception MR2, isn't there? ;D
Look if you aren't on your game and in the heat of championship or a deciding league game you'll or we'll be caught out..