Lads I am in a minority thinking these lads are just good marketing? Or just me unable to warm to them...
The songs are grand with lots of English lyrics.
They have a lot of fans in my work who are middle class types who also love Blindboy...
Like any younger lads here or lads with kids who are into them?
Not sure if there has been a thread before...
Absolute bellends.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 17, 2024, 04:22:09 PMLads I am in a minority thinking these lads are just good marketing? Or just me unable to warm to them...
The songs are grand with lots of English lyrics.
They have a lot of fans in my work who are middle class types who also love Blindboy...
Like any younger lads here or lads with kids who are into them?
Not sure if there has been a thread before...
Honestly haven't listened to their stuff, but they're promoting Irish language and learning about our history etc which can only be a good thing. The film is meant to be excellent as well so fair play to them.
THey're a bit hit and miss, but the good stuff is really good.
They're superb. And the film is excellent
Some of the songs are very cleverly done, both lyrically and musically. Not sure they'll ever win too many awards or be massively commercially successful, but doubt they care either.
They come across very well in any interviews I've ever seen with them. They're no dopes.
Fair play to them.
Going to watch the movie next week. Was never much into rap so I'll leave comments on the music to others but as the man above said fair play to them.
Listen to Radio 1 quite alot and they get alot of plays on there considering the very niche genre. They pissed off the tories which is good also
I'm in my fifties and I think they're great. The film is excellent too.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on August 17, 2024, 08:40:43 PMI'm in my fifties and I think they're great. The film is excellent too.
Not quite as old but I agree. Roll on December 21st
Most exciting and innovative Irish group since Horslips.
Have these boyos jumped the shark?
I don't think they'll last much longer with their cheering of Hamas and Hezbollah.
The Israelis usually get their man!
Quote from: Dag Dog on April 26, 2025, 01:32:46 PMHave these boyos jumped the shark?
I don't think they'll last much longer with their cheering of Hamas and Hezbollah.
The Israelis usually get their man!
No confirmation that their visas have been revoked as yet.
All their gigs are sold out too so might be a while yet before they jump the shark. They could have pulled back on the rhetoric given the risks involved but they're sticking with it.
Will be interesting ti see how it all plays out. The outrage over what Israel are doing seems to have died down and is fading into the background so fair play to them making it front and centre again!
I just don't get it.
Quote from: Dag Dog on April 26, 2025, 01:32:46 PMHave these boyos jumped the shark?
I don't think they'll last much longer with their cheering of Hamas and Hezbollah.
The Israelis usually get their man!
Fair play to them calling out Israel, but doing it in the US isn't ideal for career longevity.
There is zero chance they'll be allowed into the US under the current administration.
Fair play to them calling out what is an absolute genocide funded by the US. They don't need America .. do you want Bono or Geldof in all their riches selling their souls to Zionism and the British?
Kneecap come from West Belfast and are well aware what constitutes imperialism and genocide. I love their music too and I'm an aul boy...
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 26, 2025, 01:56:02 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on April 26, 2025, 01:32:46 PMHave these boyos jumped the shark?
I don't think they'll last much longer with their cheering of Hamas and Hezbollah.
The Israelis usually get their man!
Fair play to them calling out Israel, but doing it in the US isn't ideal for career longevity.
Remaining 3/4 gigs sold out immediately after Coachella.. They seem very principled, I'm sure it outweighs having a career in the USA
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 26, 2025, 01:56:02 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on April 26, 2025, 01:32:46 PMHave these boyos jumped the shark?
I don't think they'll last much longer with their cheering of Hamas and Hezbollah.
The Israelis usually get their man!
Fair play to them calling out Israel, but doing it in the US isn't ideal for career longevity.
Like calling out Nazis in 1930s Germany.
Fair play to them
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 26, 2025, 02:18:11 PMFair play to them calling out what is an absolute genocide funded by the US. They don't need America .. do you want Bono or Geldof in all their riches selling their souls to Zionism and the British?
Kneecap come from West Belfast and are well aware what constitutes imperialism and genocide. I love their music too and I'm an aul boy...
Likewise. Their gig last December was maybe the best I've ever been to
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 26, 2025, 02:36:20 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 26, 2025, 02:18:11 PMFair play to them calling out what is an absolute genocide funded by the US. They don't need America .. do you want Bono or Geldof in all their riches selling their souls to Zionism and the British?
Kneecap come from West Belfast and are well aware what constitutes imperialism and genocide. I love their music too and I'm an aul boy...
Likewise. Their gig last December was maybe the best I've ever been to
Fair play to them. They're saying what everyone else is thinking about the genocide in Gaza and it's p#"sing people off. Good to see it.
At least they're principled.
It pissed off all the right people but they were not fully on the radar of a certain lobby in the US.
Fair play to them because it is money where your mouth is stuff.
Fair fucks to them. They'll earn enough money without the US. Great lads and the movie is funny as f**k.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 26, 2025, 02:18:11 PMFair play to them calling out what is an absolute genocide funded by the US. They don't need America .. do you want Bono or Geldof in all their riches selling their souls to Zionism and the British?
Kneecap come from West Belfast and are well aware what constitutes imperialism and genocide. I love their music too and I'm an aul boy...
I'm with Truthsayer in this. They ain't for being bought out, and it's their authenticity that will win over enough goodwill to make sure they draw crowds and fans everywhere.
Probably one of the hottest acts around, didn't 100k come out and take over the streets of Melbourne for them recently.
The minute they sell their soul for money will be the minute they will lose the majority of their newly acquired massive fanbase.
Quote from: bannside on April 26, 2025, 07:40:26 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 26, 2025, 02:18:11 PMFair play to them calling out what is an absolute genocide funded by the US. They don't need America .. do you want Bono or Geldof in all their riches selling their souls to Zionism and the British?
Kneecap come from West Belfast and are well aware what constitutes imperialism and genocide. I love their music too and I'm an aul boy...
I'm with Truthsayer in this. They ain't for being bought out, and it's their authenticity that will win over enough goodwill to make sure they draw crowds and fans everywhere.
Probably one of the hottest acts around, didn't 100k come out and take over the streets of Melbourne for them recently.
The minute they sell their soul for money will be the minute they will lose the majority of their newly acquired massive fanbase.
I really hope, and don't think they will, do that
You don't have to like everything they rap about...
How much of its true...who knows...
Love their music...don't take it too serious...
Absolute legends these lads...
Balls of steel compared to many others with a much BIGGER platform...
Quote from: bannside on April 26, 2025, 07:40:26 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 26, 2025, 02:18:11 PMFair play to them calling out what is an absolute genocide funded by the US. They don't need America .. do you want Bono or Geldof in all their riches selling their souls to Zionism and the British?
Kneecap come from West Belfast and are well aware what constitutes imperialism and genocide. I love their music too and I'm an aul boy...
I'm with Truthsayer in this. They ain't for being bought out, and it's their authenticity that will win over enough goodwill to make sure they draw crowds and fans everywhere.
Probably one of the hottest acts around, didn't 100k come out and take over the streets of Melbourne for them recently.
The minute they sell their soul for money will be the minute they will lose the majority of their newly acquired massive fanbase.
100% Bannside.
Some of their music is brilliant, some isn't. Sparks a bit of interest in the language and has made me look a few things up. Thought the movie was brilliant and they annoy all the right people. Keep at it I'd say!
If they've said " kill your MP" then they are idiots though. No need for that given 2 MPs have been killed in that last few years by extremists.
Must be some digging going on to discredit them... November 2023 allegedly
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 27, 2025, 05:00:30 PMMust be some digging going on to discredit them... November 2023 allegedly
Any links to this? Hardly matter, wouldnt put anyone off them that isn't already.
The zionist puppet masters piling it on these lads.
No danger of the Brit police arresting an Israeli Government minister the other week.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 27, 2025, 07:12:48 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 27, 2025, 05:00:30 PMMust be some digging going on to discredit them... November 2023 allegedly
Any links to this? Hardly matter, wouldnt put anyone off them that isn't already.
That's not the point. It's that any potential conviction could have massive repercussions for them in terms of their ability to travel and gig.
Great bunch of lads.
Fair play to them, raising awareness and using their platform when many others aren't.
Thought the film was a good watch at the time too & their concert was brilliant in December. They sold out Bocher road (40,000 in 45mins) Some going.
I've only seen them interviewed briefly on the late late show , so I know very little about them
What are they? Rappers? Singers? Do they read poetry?
Is it like being at a Wolfe Tones concert?
Quote from: toby47 on April 28, 2025, 11:39:04 AMFair play to them, raising awareness and using their platform when many others aren't.
Cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah (who killed Sean Rooney). Calling for MPs to be killed
That's really going to help.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on April 28, 2025, 01:13:16 PMQuote from: toby47 on April 28, 2025, 11:39:04 AMFair play to them, raising awareness and using their platform when many others aren't.
Cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah (who killed Sean Rooney). Calling for MPs to be killed
That's really going to help.
Sean Rooney's killing was a terrible deed. Is many awful acts carried out by these groupings.
Israel and the US has committed mass atrocities for decades. Armed groups are going to appear in the face of an imperialist onslaught, often on a population of innocent civilians. IRA was same here.. who were the terrorists though?
Did Kneecap call for killing of Tory MPs? Stupid if true although in the euphoria of a gig, I doubt they meant it literally.
A bit stupid to say the things about the MP's, ya can't go about and say that, as for supporting Gaza and the Palestinian groups well, that shouldn't be an issue, and highlighting the problems in the Middle East is not being done enough
The MP thing they should just say they were stupid and got caught up with the emotions at the time, but after an MP or two have been killed by people recently in England it probably wasn't the smartest thing to say
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 28, 2025, 01:42:13 PMQuote from: Premier Emperor on April 28, 2025, 01:13:16 PMQuote from: toby47 on April 28, 2025, 11:39:04 AMFair play to them, raising awareness and using their platform when many others aren't.
Cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah (who killed Sean Rooney). Calling for MPs to be killed
That's really going to help.
Sean Rooney's killing was a terrible deed. Is many awful acts carried out by these groupings.
Israel and the US has committed mass atrocities for decades. Armed groups are going to appear in the face of an imperialist onslaught, often on a population of innocent civilians. IRA was same here.. who were the terrorists though?
Did Kneecap call for killing of Tory MPs? Stupid if true although in the euphoria of a gig, I doubt they meant it literally.
When Israel are trying to paint everyone who objects to their genocide as Hamas supporters, idiots like Kneecap give them an open goal. They need to grow the f**k up and get wise otherwise they will be destroyed (attempt ongoing).
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 28, 2025, 01:42:13 PMQuote from: Premier Emperor on April 28, 2025, 01:13:16 PMQuote from: toby47 on April 28, 2025, 11:39:04 AMFair play to them, raising awareness and using their platform when many others aren't.
Cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah (who killed Sean Rooney). Calling for MPs to be killed
That's really going to help.
Sean Rooney's killing was a terrible deed. Is many awful acts carried out by these groupings.
Israel and the US has committed mass atrocities for decades. Armed groups are going to appear in the face of an imperialist onslaught, often on a population of innocent civilians. IRA was same here.. who were the terrorists though?
Did Kneecap call for killing of Tory MPs? Stupid if true although in the euphoria of a gig, I doubt they meant it literally.
Irrelevant if they said it. They've now put themselves out there to be got at which they probably will be unfortunately.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on April 28, 2025, 02:08:18 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 28, 2025, 01:42:13 PMQuote from: Premier Emperor on April 28, 2025, 01:13:16 PMQuote from: toby47 on April 28, 2025, 11:39:04 AMFair play to them, raising awareness and using their platform when many others aren't.
Cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah (who killed Sean Rooney). Calling for MPs to be killed
That's really going to help.
Sean Rooney's killing was a terrible deed. Is many awful acts carried out by these groupings.
Israel and the US has committed mass atrocities for decades. Armed groups are going to appear in the face of an imperialist onslaught, often on a population of innocent civilians. IRA was same here.. who were the terrorists though?
Did Kneecap call for killing of Tory MPs? Stupid if true although in the euphoria of a gig, I doubt they meant it literally.
When Israel are trying to paint everyone who objects to their genocide as Hamas supporters, idiots like Kneecap give them an open goal. They need to grow the f**k up and get wise otherwise they will be destroyed (attempt ongoing).
They won't be destroyed no more that the Wolfe Tones have been destroyed. Boo hoo they shouted Hamas while UK and US supports slaughter of over 50,000 civilians.
Calling for killing of MP could be more damaging though they won't be destroyed. Will sell-out everywhere...
People are not stupid to what the media and Tories are at here...
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on April 28, 2025, 02:08:18 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 28, 2025, 01:42:13 PMQuote from: Premier Emperor on April 28, 2025, 01:13:16 PMQuote from: toby47 on April 28, 2025, 11:39:04 AMFair play to them, raising awareness and using their platform when many others aren't.
Cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah (who killed Sean Rooney). Calling for MPs to be killed
That's really going to help.
Sean Rooney's killing was a terrible deed. Is many awful acts carried out by these groupings.
Israel and the US has committed mass atrocities for decades. Armed groups are going to appear in the face of an imperialist onslaught, often on a population of innocent civilians. IRA was same here.. who were the terrorists though?
Did Kneecap call for killing of Tory MPs? Stupid if true although in the euphoria of a gig, I doubt they meant it literally.
When Israel are trying to paint everyone who objects to their genocide as Hamas supporters, idiots like Kneecap give them an open goal. They need to grow the f**k up and get wise otherwise they will be destroyed (attempt ongoing).
Idiots for calling out genocide? And destroyed by who exactly?
Quote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2025, 02:56:56 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on April 28, 2025, 02:08:18 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 28, 2025, 01:42:13 PMQuote from: Premier Emperor on April 28, 2025, 01:13:16 PMQuote from: toby47 on April 28, 2025, 11:39:04 AMFair play to them, raising awareness and using their platform when many others aren't.
Cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah (who killed Sean Rooney). Calling for MPs to be killed
That's really going to help.
Sean Rooney's killing was a terrible deed. Is many awful acts carried out by these groupings.
Israel and the US has committed mass atrocities for decades. Armed groups are going to appear in the face of an imperialist onslaught, often on a population of innocent civilians. IRA was same here.. who were the terrorists though?
Did Kneecap call for killing of Tory MPs? Stupid if true although in the euphoria of a gig, I doubt they meant it literally.
When Israel are trying to paint everyone who objects to their genocide as Hamas supporters, idiots like Kneecap give them an open goal. They need to grow the f**k up and get wise otherwise they will be destroyed (attempt ongoing).
Idiots for calling out genocide? And destroyed by who exactly?
No, idiots for calling for People to kill their local MP!
Quote from: Tubberman on April 28, 2025, 03:36:47 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2025, 02:56:56 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on April 28, 2025, 02:08:18 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 28, 2025, 01:42:13 PMQuote from: Premier Emperor on April 28, 2025, 01:13:16 PMQuote from: toby47 on April 28, 2025, 11:39:04 AMFair play to them, raising awareness and using their platform when many others aren't.
Cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah (who killed Sean Rooney). Calling for MPs to be killed
That's really going to help.
Sean Rooney's killing was a terrible deed. Is many awful acts carried out by these groupings.
Israel and the US has committed mass atrocities for decades. Armed groups are going to appear in the face of an imperialist onslaught, often on a population of innocent civilians. IRA was same here.. who were the terrorists though?
Did Kneecap call for killing of Tory MPs? Stupid if true although in the euphoria of a gig, I doubt they meant it literally.
When Israel are trying to paint everyone who objects to their genocide as Hamas supporters, idiots like Kneecap give them an open goal. They need to grow the f**k up and get wise otherwise they will be destroyed (attempt ongoing).
Idiots for calling out genocide? And destroyed by who exactly?
No, idiots for calling for People to kill their local MP!
There's worse things said and done in the houses of parliament that has actually led to the deaths of thousands people.
Let's not kid ourselves this wasn't an issue until they called out the Israelis at Coachella.
Zionist Israelies and their proxies doing their best to cover up their genocide.
Louis Theroux will be next and all he did was let the colonisers talk openly about their genocidal mentality.
Quote from: Tubberman on April 28, 2025, 03:36:47 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2025, 02:56:56 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on April 28, 2025, 02:08:18 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 28, 2025, 01:42:13 PMQuote from: Premier Emperor on April 28, 2025, 01:13:16 PMQuote from: toby47 on April 28, 2025, 11:39:04 AMFair play to them, raising awareness and using their platform when many others aren't.
Cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah (who killed Sean Rooney). Calling for MPs to be killed
That's really going to help.
Sean Rooney's killing was a terrible deed. Is many awful acts carried out by these groupings.
Israel and the US has committed mass atrocities for decades. Armed groups are going to appear in the face of an imperialist onslaught, often on a population of innocent civilians. IRA was same here.. who were the terrorists though?
Did Kneecap call for killing of Tory MPs? Stupid if true although in the euphoria of a gig, I doubt they meant it literally.
When Israel are trying to paint everyone who objects to their genocide as Hamas supporters, idiots like Kneecap give them an open goal. They need to grow the f**k up and get wise otherwise they will be destroyed (attempt ongoing).
Idiots for calling out genocide? And destroyed by who exactly?
No, idiots for calling for People to kill their local MP!
Witch hunt. This is from November 2023... the British have supported slaughter of over 50,000 people.. it was stupid thing to say but pales into absolute insignificance against the support of genocide. Is British politicians should be called out...
Micháel Martin jumping on the bandwagon now. Is an abiding image of him pointing at a hole in a ceiling caused by Hamas. A US/Israel lackey...
It is a witch hunt but that's how it works when you're this critical this publicly. It doesn't make them wrong
- it just means they are put in a position where they will be discredited repeatedly publicly to try and shut down their argument. No one is justifying that but that is the way the world works these days sadly.
Meanwhile the Taoiseach in the Republic has urged Kneecap to give "urgent clarity" on their views of Hamas and to publicly denounce threats of violence against public representatives.
One of the funniest things I've read in ages. He really is dense.
This is what the DUP leader Gavin Robinson said about Kneecap:
"Promoting sectarianism, glorifying violence and spreading division under the guise of "art" is still hate. Kneecap need to be investigated for their hate crimes.
If anyone else did this, they'd be in a courtroom, not a stage."
I kid you not - he actually tweeted this and us a few months out from July 12th.
You couldn't make it up.
Free speech is alright with people....until someone says something that you disagree with.
Is cuma leosan foc faoi aon MP.
People are giving Kneecap a lot of leeway because they're on the same side.
If a group from a Loyalist area quipped 'kill TDs' or 'up the IDF' during a rap solo, I doubt the same appeals for free speech would hold.
Quote from: Dag Dog on April 28, 2025, 05:36:06 PMPeople are giving Kneecap a lot of leeway because they're on the same side.
If a group from a Loyalist area quipped 'kill TDs' or 'up the IDF' during a rap solo, I doubt the same appeals for free speech would hold.
From the same side? Only a fascist could be on the side of the IDF.
Kill MPs was one stupid comment... have you heard what passes for music bands here every July? #funded
People, media and those for and against are giving examples/excuses or using but they are worse or whatever..
Just nail it for what it was, stupidity, turn round and apologise for saying the MP thing, done, at this stage it'll be damage limitations and it'll go away, those that are annoyed wouldn't give them the light of day anyways.
If they double down then they could lose out on a lot of current projects they have been booked for, be a shame as they've put in some shift since starting out.
Btw I haven't heard one song, rapping wouldn't be my thing, but like to see local talent do well internationally.
I don't see the issue with Hamas supporting or calling Israel out at every opportunity
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 28, 2025, 03:48:47 PMQuote from: Tubberman on April 28, 2025, 03:36:47 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2025, 02:56:56 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on April 28, 2025, 02:08:18 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 28, 2025, 01:42:13 PMQuote from: Premier Emperor on April 28, 2025, 01:13:16 PMQuote from: toby47 on April 28, 2025, 11:39:04 AMFair play to them, raising awareness and using their platform when many others aren't.
Cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah (who killed Sean Rooney). Calling for MPs to be killed
That's really going to help.
Sean Rooney's killing was a terrible deed. Is many awful acts carried out by these groupings.
Israel and the US has committed mass atrocities for decades. Armed groups are going to appear in the face of an imperialist onslaught, often on a population of innocent civilians. IRA was same here.. who were the terrorists though?
Did Kneecap call for killing of Tory MPs? Stupid if true although in the euphoria of a gig, I doubt they meant it literally.
When Israel are trying to paint everyone who objects to their genocide as Hamas supporters, idiots like Kneecap give them an open goal. They need to grow the f**k up and get wise otherwise they will be destroyed (attempt ongoing).
Idiots for calling out genocide? And destroyed by who exactly?
No, idiots for calling for People to kill their local MP!
Witch hunt. This is from November 2023... the British have supported slaughter of over 50,000 people.. it was stupid thing to say but pales into absolute insignificance against the support of genocide. Is British politicians should be called out...
Micháel Martin jumping on the bandwagon now. Is an abiding image of him pointing at a hole in a ceiling caused by Hamas. A US/Israel lackey...
Spot on.
Doubt they'll lose any support and the digging up stuff from 2 years ago just proves it to be a witch hunt by the permanently offended/Israel lovers. Probably not the smartest thing to say but doesn't really seem too bad when you're comparing it to the murder of thousands of innocents in Gaza.
Could be wrong but they seem like the sort of lads that would rather lose out on big money than sell out on their beliefs. (In all fairness I don't know any good living Tories either!)
Cannot understand how they do gigs in the UK.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 28, 2025, 05:46:39 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on April 28, 2025, 05:36:06 PMPeople are giving Kneecap a lot of leeway because they're on the same side.
If a group from a Loyalist area quipped 'kill TDs' or 'up the IDF' during a rap solo, I doubt the same appeals for free speech would hold.
From the same side? Only a fascist could be on the side of the IDF.
Kill MPs was one stupid comment... have you heard what passes for music bands here every July? #funded
Just because the other side has knuckle draggers, it doesn't follow that you should match them.
These guys seem a bit like James McClean, just when it seems you have the high moral ground, you put the ball in your own net.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 28, 2025, 06:03:33 PMDoubt they'll lose any support and the digging up stuff from 2 years ago just proves it to be a witch hunt by the permanently offended/Israel lovers. Probably not the smartest thing to say but doesn't really seem too bad when you're comparing it to the murder of thousands of innocents in Gaza.
Could be wrong but they seem like the sort of lads that would rather lose out on big money than sell out on their beliefs. (In all fairness I don't know any good living Tories either!)
I wouldn't know too many decent tories but I'm not going to ask people to murder them.. again what the governments are not doing with regards to Israel's genocide has nothing to do with that stupid probably off the cuff comments they have done twice.
Kneecap will have lost media support, and they will not be able to generate the same kind of good attention for legitimate causes they want to support. Doesn't matter if it was Nov 23 or last week they said something from here on in they can be described by those against their message as terrorist supporters who called for the death of MPs.
The comments attributed to them are misplaced, inappropriate and unfortunately has made them the story not genocide or the Palestinian people.
Is it a coincidence that this 18 month old video was brought out just as Kneecap are getting more coverage? And speaking out against the genocide?
The Tory MP statement was idiotic but it was idiotic 18 months ago too
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 28, 2025, 07:56:23 PMIs it a coincidence that this 18 month old video was brought out just as Kneecap are getting more coverage? And speaking out against the genocide?
The Tory MP statement was idiotic but it was idiotic 18 months ago too
They allegedly said it twice.. I've heard worse in the bars in Liverpool but those singers ain't going to be global..
Again I have nothing against their support for Gaza, but a heartfelt apology on the MP thing would go a long way to shut this down and make it manageable
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 28, 2025, 07:56:23 PMIs it a coincidence that this 18 month old video was brought out just as Kneecap are getting more coverage? And speaking out against the genocide?
The Tory MP statement was idiotic but it was idiotic 18 months ago too
Absolutely. Most sensible people will see it for what it is but it's ammunition for c***ts to deflect with.
Anyway, they're a couple of lads from West Belfast rapping in Irish, not politicians.
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 28, 2025, 07:56:23 PMIs it a coincidence that this 18 month old video was brought out just as Kneecap are getting more coverage? And speaking out against the genocide?
The Tory MP statement was idiotic but it was idiotic 18 months ago too
It's no coincidence because no one could be bothered about them 18 months ago. Just like when a player becomes a Premier league star and the foolish teenage tweets get dug up.
Maybe Kneecap could have been smarter about what they were saying...it would have solved a lot.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2025, 05:54:35 PMI don't see the issue with Hamas supporting or calling Israel out at every opportunity
Can you give me one good reason why they, or anyone else should support Hamas?
Quote from: Dag Dog on April 28, 2025, 08:36:14 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2025, 05:54:35 PMI don't see the issue with Hamas supporting or calling Israel out at every opportunity
Can you give me one good reason why they, or anyone else should support Hamas?
I don't live in Gaza, but I'd say if I lived that life I'd probably be supporting hamas or whatever political grouping that's standing up for your existence.
I'm not saying from the comfort of my sofa that Hamas are angels in all of this.. but Christ i can't imagine what life is like and the choices people have in that country, what I do know that circumstances can throw up unimaginable terror. The Yugoslavian war, watching that live at the time will tell the world what people can do to each other
Quote from: skeog on April 28, 2025, 06:35:56 PMCannot understand how they do gigs in the UK.
Why? They despise Tories... more than half of England does. They call out genocide....
Quote from: Dag Dog on April 28, 2025, 08:36:14 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2025, 05:54:35 PMI don't see the issue with Hamas supporting or calling Israel out at every opportunity
Can you give me one good reason why they, or anyone else should support Hamas?
Bot.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 28, 2025, 08:53:33 PMQuote from: skeog on April 28, 2025, 06:35:56 PMCannot understand how they do gigs in the UK.
Why? They despise Tories... more than half of England does. They call out genocide....
They'll have some lunatic Tommy Robinson types try to stir shit at their gigs now.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 28, 2025, 08:55:59 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 28, 2025, 08:53:33 PMQuote from: skeog on April 28, 2025, 06:35:56 PMCannot understand how they do gigs in the UK.
Why? They despise Tories... more than half of England does. They call out genocide....
They'll have some lunatic Tommy Robinson types try to stir shit at their gigs now.
Was thinking Skeog was suggesting different reason they shouldn't play in Britain.. like the way McClean's haters say about him...
The timing of the whole kill tour MOs malarkey is not coincidental at all. When did they say it by the way? How do we know they actually did?
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 28, 2025, 10:51:51 PMThe timing of the whole kill tour MOs malarkey is not coincidental at all. When did they say it by the way? How do we know they actually did?
sometime in 2023. Seen the mobile phone footage online earlier. If they'd been good little boys and not criticised the Israeli's it'd never be mentioned. Did a Tory MP not suggest starving the Irish to make us let them have their way with Brexit? And the current Prime Minister of Britain said it was fine for Israel to shut off the water for Gaza.
https://x.com/KNEECAPCEOL/status/1916982746708381731
Sensible from Kneecap.
"Let us be unequivocal: we do not, and have never, supported Hamas or Hezbollah. We condemn all attacks on civilians, always. It is never okay. We know this more than anyone, given our nation's history.
We also reject any suggestion that we would seek to incite violence against any MP or individual. Ever. An extract of footage, deliberately taken out of all context, is now being exploited and weaponised, as if it were a call to action. "
Excellent and heartfelt statement.. they are absolutely correct... "Establishment figures, desperate to silence us, have combed through hundreds of hours of footage and interviews, extracting a handful of words from months or years ago to manufacture moral hysteria..."
Straight out of the 80s playbook.
f**k tha Police... oh my god, look what these lowlifes NWA are saying...
Kill the Poor/I kill children, look what these lowlifes Dead Kennedy's are saying...
Cop Killer...Look what this lowlife Ice Tea is saying...
Context matters.
Quote from: Dag Dog on April 29, 2025, 12:09:43 AMhttps://x.com/KNEECAPCEOL/status/1916982746708381731
Sensible from Kneecap.
"Let us be unequivocal: we do not, and have never, supported Hamas or Hezbollah. We condemn all attacks on civilians, always. It is never okay. We know this more than anyone, given our nation's history.
We also reject any suggestion that we would seek to incite violence against any MP or individual. Ever. An extract of footage, deliberately taken out of all context, is now being exploited and weaponised, as if it were a call to action. "
Superb statement. Should be an end to this nonsense
Every government and the media in the west is defending/running cover for Israel.
Anyone who thinks we live in democratic countries needs to open their eyes. They have everything under control.
Quote from: Dag Dog on April 29, 2025, 12:09:43 AMhttps://x.com/KNEECAPCEOL/status/1916982746708381731
Sensible from Kneecap.
"Let us be unequivocal: we do not, and have never, supported Hamas or Hezbollah. We condemn all attacks on civilians, always. It is never okay. We know this more than anyone, given our nation's history.
We also reject any suggestion that we would seek to incite violence against any MP or individual. Ever. An extract of footage, deliberately taken out of all context, is now being exploited and weaponised, as if it were a call to action. "
"Out of context???"
^^^ WTF ^^^
What a woke idiot
Dropped from the lineup of two German music festivals
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 29, 2025, 07:14:42 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on April 29, 2025, 12:09:43 AMhttps://x.com/KNEECAPCEOL/status/1916982746708381731
Sensible from Kneecap.
"Let us be unequivocal: we do not, and have never, supported Hamas or Hezbollah. We condemn all attacks on civilians, always. It is never okay. We know this more than anyone, given our nation's history.
We also reject any suggestion that we would seek to incite violence against any MP or individual. Ever. An extract of footage, deliberately taken out of all context, is now being exploited and weaponised, as if it were a call to action. "
"Out of context???"
What I do really love though is the unionist "outrage" and extensive coverage it's getting in the NI news cycle yet not a dickie bird about the loyalist band parades annual sectarian diatribe and big Gav in his OO sash preaching about sectarianism without the slightest bit of self awareness..
When's he meeting the UVF and UDA leaders again???
It would be considered staggering and bare faced hypocrisy in any other place in the world but not good ole NI.
Not a big fan of their music but keep 'er lit Kneecap.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 29, 2025, 08:17:56 AMDropped from the lineup of two German music festivals
A country openly supporting the genocide in Israel...
Shocked by that one.
It's scary how quickly things can turn against you when Israel is criticised, headline news on the mainland BBC news, barely mentioned before any of their antics
Pissing off the right calibre of c***ts anyway.
Quote from: Brendan on April 29, 2025, 08:39:26 AMIt's scary how quickly things can turn against you when Israel is criticised, headline news on the mainland BBC news, barely mentioned before any of their antics
You can only imagine what is happening behind the scenes at the BBC re The Settlers documentary
Quote from: theskull1 on April 29, 2025, 06:26:02 AMEvery government and the media in the west is defending/running cover for Israel.
Anyone who thinks we live in democratic countries needs to open their eyes. They have everything under control.
The 10 o clock news last night had a story about a Palestinian 6 year old boy who's family had been killed by an airstrike.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 29, 2025, 08:44:46 AMQuote from: theskull1 on April 29, 2025, 06:26:02 AMEvery government and the media in the west is defending/running cover for Israel.
Anyone who thinks we live in democratic countries needs to open their eyes. They have everything under control.
The 10 o clock news last night had a story about a Palestinian 6 year old boy who's family had been killed by an airstrike.
Did you see the RTÉ interview with Kneecap manager: "..but Israel would deny that"
or when figures for those killed are released.. "according to the Hamas led health authorities"
The media coverage support of Israel is shocking..
A very good statement and yes, the context thing is up for debate, but I think they nailed it. I'd even say if the families of the murdered MP's recently wanted to meet them I think they would be very respectful and give their reasons personally and that be the end of it.
It wont certainly stop the DUP of course, this from the people calling for 'words matter' when their one time leader was calling the pope the antichrist ffs and walking with bands that are singing up to their neck in fenian blood, so I wouldn't personally give them the time of day..
They just have to navigate the supporting Hamas thing first with that investigation and they'll be grand, they may struggle for the visa's in the states but that was always going to happen after that last concert
Elton John is a big fan.
I think the term is "confected outrage". People here are good at that.
Was same with "ooh aah up the 'Ra"... contrived hysteria. DUP won't be happy with that statement, including apology, from Kneecap... pulls the carpet from under their faux outrage.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 29, 2025, 09:23:31 AMWas same with "ooh aah up the 'Ra"... contrived hysteria. DUP won't be happy with that statement, including apology, from Kneecap... pulls the carpet from under their faux outrage.
Carla Lockhart has already said that the apology isn't enough. It's the same old DUP tactic.
Glass houses etc. Odious individual who's opinion counts for nothing.
Quote from: Pub Bore on April 29, 2025, 09:56:53 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 29, 2025, 09:23:31 AMWas same with "ooh aah up the 'Ra"... contrived hysteria. DUP won't be happy with that statement, including apology, from Kneecap... pulls the carpet from under their faux outrage.
Carla Lockhart has already said that the apology isn't enough. It's the same old DUP tactic.
This Carla Lockhart?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GpsDw4sWgAA31LY?format=jpg&name=small)
Haven't heard their music but mucho respecto to the lads for their stance and statement. Heartfelt but at the same time, definitely two fingers in there to the powers that be. Think I might start listening to them now to see what they're about.
Refreshing too to see an artist sticking to their principles and not being cowed even when threatened with missing out on the really big money. 100 million in the bank is not all that if it involves sucking off Satan first.
Not to mention the bloody sunday soldier(s) she flew over to deliberately antagonise people. Odious with zero credibility.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 29, 2025, 10:18:50 AMQuote from: Pub Bore on April 29, 2025, 09:56:53 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 29, 2025, 09:23:31 AMWas same with "ooh aah up the 'Ra"... contrived hysteria. DUP won't be happy with that statement, including apology, from Kneecap... pulls the carpet from under their faux outrage.
Carla Lockhart has already said that the apology isn't enough. It's the same old DUP tactic.
This Carla Lockhart?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GpsDw4sWgAA31LY?format=jpg&name=small)
If ever there was a cünt to reinforce the Loyalist stereotype of having zero self-awareness.
100,000 new Instagram followers in a week apparently.
Their top 5 songs have been listened to 2.4million times in a week.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 29, 2025, 10:18:50 AMQuote from: Pub Bore on April 29, 2025, 09:56:53 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 29, 2025, 09:23:31 AMWas same with "ooh aah up the 'Ra"... contrived hysteria. DUP won't be happy with that statement, including apology, from Kneecap... pulls the carpet from under their faux outrage.
Carla Lockhart has already said that the apology isn't enough. It's the same old DUP tactic.
This Carla Lockhart?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GpsDw4sWgAA31LY?format=jpg&name=small)
Dirt. Stood with the soldier who murdered John Pat Cunningham. A man with the mind of a child shot in the back.
Well done kneecap.
Anyone who speaks out against the genocide is getting targeted
We are being governed by evil bastards the world over.
Ethical and moral leadership is no where to be seen near the levers of power and influence.
Well in all honesty, they have made it easy for people to ban them silly thing to say about MPs especially with a couple killed in recent yrs.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 29, 2025, 06:15:39 PMWell in all honesty, they have made it easy for people to ban them silly thing to say about MPs especially with a couple killed in recent yrs.
Said in 2023, wasn't a big deal at the time. They went digging.
Quote from: toby47 on April 30, 2025, 09:48:31 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 29, 2025, 06:15:39 PMWell in all honesty, they have made it easy for people to ban them silly thing to say about MPs especially with a couple killed in recent yrs.
Said in 2023, wasn't a big deal at the time. They went digging.
Its like the ones who went digging for Declan Rice tweeting up the ra. Shite from the past that is completely relevant and is used to deflect from the real issue.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 29, 2025, 06:15:39 PMWell in all honesty, they have made it easy for people to ban them silly thing to say about MPs especially with a couple killed in recent yrs.
Whether they get banned initially from a few gigs, much like Billy Connolly in the late 70s, Sex Pistols etc, Kneecap aren't going anywhere, their fan base will explode because of this. Protest singers have been around since the dawn of time, many are still household names... 'this machine kills fascists'
Quote from: JoG2 on April 30, 2025, 10:16:52 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 29, 2025, 06:15:39 PMWell in all honesty, they have made it easy for people to ban them silly thing to say about MPs especially with a couple killed in recent yrs.
Whether they get banned initially from a few gigs, much like Billy Connolly in the late 70s, Sex Pistols etc, Kneecap aren't going anywhere, their fan base will explode because of this. Protest singers have been around since the dawn of time, many are still household names... 'this machine kills fascists'
Sinead O'Connor is another one
You know you are on right side of history when you're being criticised by Carla Blackheart.
Quote from: red hander on April 30, 2025, 01:23:18 PMYou know you are on right side of history when you're being criticised by Carla Blackheart.
And she criticises Kneecap with such passion, does our loveheart.
What a fucked up world we live in where people are trying to cancel these lads for speaking up against genocide, yet there is no meaningful campaign to take on the genocide apologists in the public eye.
Where is that **** Gérard Butler these days?
Quote from: toby47 on April 30, 2025, 09:48:31 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 29, 2025, 06:15:39 PMWell in all honesty, they have made it easy for people to ban them silly thing to say about MPs especially with a couple killed in recent yrs.
Said in 2023, wasn't a big deal at the time. They went digging.
Sweet Jesus what a post. Maybe give them nothing to dig. They seem like ballbags who'd miss them.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 30, 2025, 10:13:53 PMQuote from: toby47 on April 30, 2025, 09:48:31 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 29, 2025, 06:15:39 PMWell in all honesty, they have made it easy for people to ban them silly thing to say about MPs especially with a couple killed in recent yrs.
Said in 2023, wasn't a big deal at the time. They went digging.
Sweet Jesus what a post. Maybe give them nothing to dig. They seem like ballbags who'd miss them.
Considering they sell out every venue and have a huge following (a lot more now!) quite a lot of people would miss them.
Targeting Kneecap is very selective .. has been highlighted today that a comedian on Have I Got News For You suggested that Glastonbury be bombed to kill Corbyn supporters... outrage zero... Daily Mail ran a piece saying Corbyn needed killed.. outrage zero... Pritti Patel proposed starving Irish people during Brexit debate.. so spare us the handwringing. These lads have called out genocide where politicians don't... Tory fake tears...
Fair play to Paul Weller, Pulp and the other artists who've come out in support of Kneecap.
MPs outraged over the suggestion that they should be killed, while all the time enabling the actual killing of tens of thousands of people, most of them women and children.
Spare me.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 01, 2025, 12:14:03 AMMPs outraged over the suggestion that they should be killed, while all the time enabling the actual killing of tens of thousands of people, most of them women and children.
Spare me.
Most people would be outraged if others were encouraging their murder.
It's possible to say Kneecap were wrong to call for people to kill their MPs, while also realising this is a cynical deflection by the powers that want to distract people from the main issue which is the Israeli genocide in Palestine.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 01, 2025, 12:14:03 AMMPs outraged over the suggestion that they should be killed, while all the time enabling the actual killing of tens of thousands of people, most of them women and children.
Spare me.
Stop with this crap.. they were a thousand percent wrong to say murder your Tory MP, stop using other stuff the tories say/do and everything else.
Everyone knows how the tories are, must of them have little or no morals with regards to here or Gaza.
But that doesn't make it ok to say that, deal with that, context or not it was wrong.
Everything Kneecap are highlighting for Gaza is brilliant and maybe might spur other artists to do the same
Quote from: Tubberman on May 01, 2025, 06:26:46 AMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 01, 2025, 12:14:03 AMMPs outraged over the suggestion that they should be killed, while all the time enabling the actual killing of tens of thousands of people, most of them women and children.
Spare me.
Most people would be outraged if others were encouraging their murder.
It's possible to say Kneecap were wrong to call for people to kill their MPs, while also realising this is a cynical deflection by the powers that want to distract people from the main issue which is the Israeli genocide in Palestine.
Correct.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 30, 2025, 10:13:53 PMQuote from: toby47 on April 30, 2025, 09:48:31 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 29, 2025, 06:15:39 PMWell in all honesty, they have made it easy for people to ban them silly thing to say about MPs especially with a couple killed in recent yrs.
Said in 2023, wasn't a big deal at the time. They went digging.
more than would miss you
Sweet Jesus what a post. Maybe give them nothing to dig. They seem like ballbags who'd miss them.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2025, 07:15:40 AMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 01, 2025, 12:14:03 AMMPs outraged over the suggestion that they should be killed, while all the time enabling the actual killing of tens of thousands of people, most of them women and children.
Spare me.
Stop with this crap.. they were a thousand percent wrong to say murder your Tory MP, stop using other stuff the tories say/do and everything else.
Everyone knows how the tories are, must of them have little or no morals with regards to here or Gaza.
But that doesn't make it ok to say that, deal with that, context or not it was wrong.
Everything Kneecap are highlighting for Gaza is brilliant and maybe might spur other artists to do the same
A silly thing to say indeed but let's not pretend people cared about it prior to Coachella.
What part of "We send our heartfelt apologies. We never intended to cause you hurt" do the handwringers not understand. This sh*te about 'half an apology' is to keep the focus on the Tory comment and away from genocide.
I see that kip Israel is on fire, maybe they could bring their brave IDF 'soldiers' home to fight that rather than slaughtering children in Gaza.
It was a stupid thing to do. And theres no taking it back now.
That said, now is as good a time as any to highlight the hypocrisy being demonstrated by both politicians and the media. The sack clothes and ashes will make no difference to them. So use the opportunity to shine a light on their own actions.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 01, 2025, 09:39:38 AMIt was a stupid thing to do. And theres no taking it back now.
That said, now is as good a time as any to highlight the hypocrisy being demonstrated by both politicians and the media. The sack clothes and ashes will make no difference to them. So use the opportunity to shine a light on their own actions.
This is going to backfire on the Israelis
Kneecap and their management are playing this very well
They've apologised and now every time it's being mentioned, they immediately turn the conversation to what is going on in Gaza and anecdotally, I get the sense that public opinion is really turning
I don't think the Israeli c***ts have legislated for the fact that these guys admirably don't seem to give a flying fcuk about the revenue lost from cancelled gigs
They'd assumed that the threat of lost visas and reduced income would shut them up
Many bands now standing up in support of Kneecap, and rightly so. Hopefully this is the start of a huge wave of artistic solidarity
Can only imagine the pressure being put on Spotify, YouTube etc atm as Kneecaps number of streams is going through the roof atm
Edit: Jim Allister now talking about Kneecap on Nolan FM... Watch this space
Edit 2: Allister wants Kneecap jailed
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 01, 2025, 09:26:29 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2025, 07:15:40 AMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 01, 2025, 12:14:03 AMMPs outraged over the suggestion that they should be killed, while all the time enabling the actual killing of tens of thousands of people, most of them women and children.
Spare me.
Stop with this crap.. they were a thousand percent wrong to say murder your Tory MP, stop using other stuff the tories say/do and everything else.
Everyone knows how the tories are, must of them have little or no morals with regards to here or Gaza.
But that doesn't make it ok to say that, deal with that, context or not it was wrong.
Everything Kneecap are highlighting for Gaza is brilliant and maybe might spur other artists to do the same
A silly thing to say indeed but let's not pretend people cared about it prior to Coachella.
True, and for me they did the right thing, and did it well, they gave the apology..
Though I was listening to their manager talking about the various comedians that should be also given the same treatment over things said in the past, as that is staying on the topic of 'saying' the wrong thing
Then attack the establishment of a smear campaign with regards to Coachella, their views and standpoint on Gaza and the ongoing genocide separately, just so the apology isn't seen as being lost in their views on Gaza, as they are both entirely different stories and the media have tried to pair them which going by their followers hasn't done much harm..
I must ask the kids have they been listening to their stuff
Quote from: Franko on May 01, 2025, 09:47:56 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 01, 2025, 09:39:38 AMIt was a stupid thing to do. And theres no taking it back now.
That said, now is as good a time as any to highlight the hypocrisy being demonstrated by both politicians and the media. The sack clothes and ashes will make no difference to them. So use the opportunity to shine a light on their own actions.
This is going to backfire on the Israelis
Kneecap and their management are playing this very well
They've apologised and now every time it's being mentioned, they immediately turn the conversation to what is going on in Gaza and anecdotally, I get the sense that public opinion is really turning
I don't think the Israeli c***ts have legislated for the fact that these guys admirably don't seem to give a flying fcuk about the revenue lost from cancelled gigs
They'd assumed that the threat of lost visas and reduced income would shut them up
Absolutely. Genuinely think the lads care about more than money which is part of what makes them so appealing. I bet any gig they get banned from they could stand outside and play and attract thousands upon thousands of supporters.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 01, 2025, 09:50:40 AMMany bands now standing up in support of Kneecap, and rightly so. Hopefully this is the start of a huge wave of artistic solidarity
Can only imagine the pressure being put on Spotify, YouTube etc atm as Kneecaps number of streams is going through the roof atm
Edit: Jim Allister now talking about Kneecap on Nolan FM... Watch this space
Edit 2: Allister wants Kneecap jailed
A general rule of thumb is that the redder you're making Jim Allister and Sammy Wilson the more right you are.
Quote from: Franko on May 01, 2025, 09:47:56 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 01, 2025, 09:39:38 AMIt was a stupid thing to do. And theres no taking it back now.
That said, now is as good a time as any to highlight the hypocrisy being demonstrated by both politicians and the media. The sack clothes and ashes will make no difference to them. So use the opportunity to shine a light on their own actions.
This is going to backfire on the Israelis
Kneecap and their management are playing this very well
They've apologised and now every time it's being mentioned, they immediately turn the conversation to what is going on in Gaza and anecdotally, I get the sense that public opinion is really turning
I don't think the Israeli c***ts have legislated for the fact that these guys admirably don't seem to give a flying fcuk about the revenue lost from cancelled gigs
They'd assumed that the threat of lost visas and reduced income would shut them up
I'm afraid you might be overestimating the attention this Kneecap story is getting.
Israel won't give a fck, America won't give a fck, most in the UK won't give a fck.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2025, 09:54:08 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 01, 2025, 09:26:29 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2025, 07:15:40 AMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 01, 2025, 12:14:03 AMMPs outraged over the suggestion that they should be killed, while all the time enabling the actual killing of tens of thousands of people, most of them women and children.
Spare me.
Stop with this crap.. they were a thousand percent wrong to say murder your Tory MP, stop using other stuff the tories say/do and everything else.
Everyone knows how the tories are, must of them have little or no morals with regards to here or Gaza.
But that doesn't make it ok to say that, deal with that, context or not it was wrong.
Everything Kneecap are highlighting for Gaza is brilliant and maybe might spur other artists to do the same
A silly thing to say indeed but let's not pretend people cared about it prior to Coachella.
True, and for me they did the right thing, and did it well, they gave the apology..
Though I was listening to their manager talking about the various comedians that should be also given the same treatment over things said in the past, as that is staying on the topic of 'saying' the wrong thing
Then attack the establishment of a smear campaign with regards to Coachella, their views and standpoint on Gaza and the ongoing genocide separately, just so the apology isn't seen as being lost in their views on Gaza, as they are both entirely different stories and the media have tried to pair them which going by their followers hasn't done much harm..
I must ask the kids have they been listening to their stuff
Yeah I get that. Had they done that then the likes of starmer couldn't have said anything about a half hearted apology
Quote from: Tubberman on May 01, 2025, 10:19:33 AMQuote from: Franko on May 01, 2025, 09:47:56 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 01, 2025, 09:39:38 AMIt was a stupid thing to do. And theres no taking it back now.
That said, now is as good a time as any to highlight the hypocrisy being demonstrated by both politicians and the media. The sack clothes and ashes will make no difference to them. So use the opportunity to shine a light on their own actions.
This is going to backfire on the Israelis
Kneecap and their management are playing this very well
They've apologised and now every time it's being mentioned, they immediately turn the conversation to what is going on in Gaza and anecdotally, I get the sense that public opinion is really turning
I don't think the Israeli c***ts have legislated for the fact that these guys admirably don't seem to give a flying fcuk about the revenue lost from cancelled gigs
They'd assumed that the threat of lost visas and reduced income would shut them up
I'm afraid you might be overestimating the attention this Kneecap story is getting.
Israel won't give a fck, America won't give a fck, most in the UK won't give a fck.
Not so sure they won't give a fuc when you see the Prime Minister and all the MPs and media jumping on this one. They do not want thousands of American and British kids hearing Kneecap calling out genocide in front 1000s waving Palestine flags in the US or UK... because this is what this is about...
On live TV at Glastonbury?.. I don't think so...
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 01, 2025, 12:14:03 AMMPs outraged over the suggestion that they should be killed, while all the time enabling the actual killing of tens of thousands of people, most of them women and children.
Spare me.
And get this, big Tory party donor Frank Heston said on record and I quote "when you see Diane Abbot on the TV, you just want to hate all black women because she is there, I think she should be shot".
When will the counter terrorism squad be visiting him?
This is nothing to do with their tory MP comments and all to do with them highlighting the genocide in Palestine in the US.
The Zionist handlers want their moneys worth from their bought and paid for MP's.
A formal investigation has now been launched by counter terror police.
Everytime someone speaks out about Israel there is a character assassin on them, Kneecap have just joined the llist including Lineker, Roger waters, Corbyn etc.
Germans have cancelled gigs and wanted to deport 2 irish people for speaking irish at a protest... to add to the long list of issues they are on the wrong side off.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on May 01, 2025, 11:18:43 AMA formal investigation has now been launched by counter terror police.
Everytime someone speaks out about Israel there is a character assassin on them, Kneecap have just joined the llist including Lineker, Roger waters, Corbyn etc.
Germans have cancelled gigs and wanted to deport 2 irish people for speaking irish at a protest... to add to the long list of issues they are on the wrong side off.
Germany needs to stop atoning for the sins of their ancestors to the point they don't see there is another holocaust taking place in Gaza..
Quote from: Tubberman on May 01, 2025, 10:19:33 AMQuote from: Franko on May 01, 2025, 09:47:56 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 01, 2025, 09:39:38 AMIt was a stupid thing to do. And theres no taking it back now.
That said, now is as good a time as any to highlight the hypocrisy being demonstrated by both politicians and the media. The sack clothes and ashes will make no difference to them. So use the opportunity to shine a light on their own actions.
This is going to backfire on the Israelis
Kneecap and their management are playing this very well
They've apologised and now every time it's being mentioned, they immediately turn the conversation to what is going on in Gaza and anecdotally, I get the sense that public opinion is really turning
I don't think the Israeli c***ts have legislated for the fact that these guys admirably don't seem to give a flying fcuk about the revenue lost from cancelled gigs
They'd assumed that the threat of lost visas and reduced income would shut them up
I'm afraid you might be overestimating the attention this Kneecap story is getting.
Israel won't give a fck, America won't give a fck, most in the UK won't give a fck.
I'm afraid you couldn't be more wrong
It's been mentioned numerous times in parliament
10 Downing Street have released an official statement on it
Micheal Martin has issued a statement on it
The counter terrorism police have opened an official investigation
I could post countless press articles from UK/Ireland, America, continental Europe, Australia and the middle east
*
*Not to mention their own thread on the gah board
Was on politics live on the BBC yesterday - Tory man going mental.
Quote from: flowerpot on May 01, 2025, 01:09:45 PMWas on politics live on the BBC yesterday - Tory man going mental.
It's all about distraction.
It's counter productive though , as anyone who hadn't heard of Kneecap before , will have done so now. Out of curiosity if nothing else.
And a lot of people will now be aware of Kneecap 's views on the genocide in Gaza. And other musicians rowing in behind them , should amplify the message.
Sadly though , the slaughter will continue .
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 01, 2025, 01:48:44 PMQuote from: flowerpot on May 01, 2025, 01:09:45 PMWas on politics live on the BBC yesterday - Tory man going mental.
It's all about distraction.
It's counter productive though , as anyone who hadn't heard of Kneecap before , will have done so now. Out of curiosity if nothing else.
And a lot of people will now be aware of Kneecap 's views on the genocide in Gaza. And other musicians rowing in behind them , should amplify the message.
Sadly though , the slaughter will continue .
They have gone from 485k to 607k followers on instagram.
THE number of people listening to Kneecap has soared in the past week and the band have entered the charts for the first time in several countries.
Following ten days of hostile stories about the rappers, their popularity continues to grow across the world as they win over legions of new fans.
This week, Kneecap's album 'Fine Art' entered the iTunes chart in Italy, Brazil and Germany for the first time. Not only that but the band's monthly listeners on Spotify has also grown from 100,000 to 1.1 million.
Quote from: toby47 on May 01, 2025, 02:33:34 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on May 01, 2025, 01:48:44 PMQuote from: flowerpot on May 01, 2025, 01:09:45 PMWas on politics live on the BBC yesterday - Tory man going mental.
It's all about distraction.
It's counter productive though , as anyone who hadn't heard of Kneecap before , will have done so now. Out of curiosity if nothing else.
And a lot of people will now be aware of Kneecap 's views on the genocide in Gaza. And other musicians rowing in behind them , should amplify the message.
Sadly though , the slaughter will continue .
They have gone from 485k to 607k followers on instagram.
THE number of people listening to Kneecap has soared in the past week and the band have entered the charts for the first time in several countries.
Following ten days of hostile stories about the rappers, their popularity continues to grow across the world as they win over legions of new fans.
This week, Kneecap's album 'Fine Art' entered the iTunes chart in Italy, Brazil and Germany for the first time. Not only that but the band's monthly listeners on Spotify has also grown from 100,000 to 1.1 million.
On average, Spotify pays artists between $0.003 and $0.005 per stream. This means that for every 1,000 streams, an artist would typically earn between $3 and $5. However, the exact payout can vary based on factors like the listener's location, subscription type (free or premium), and the artist's agreement with their record label or distributor.
Quote from: toby47 on May 01, 2025, 02:35:21 PMQuote from: toby47 on May 01, 2025, 02:33:34 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on May 01, 2025, 01:48:44 PMQuote from: flowerpot on May 01, 2025, 01:09:45 PMWas on politics live on the BBC yesterday - Tory man going mental.
It's all about distraction.
It's counter productive though , as anyone who hadn't heard of Kneecap before , will have done so now. Out of curiosity if nothing else.
And a lot of people will now be aware of Kneecap 's views on the genocide in Gaza. And other musicians rowing in behind them , should amplify the message.
Sadly though , the slaughter will continue .
They have gone from 485k to 607k followers on instagram.
THE number of people listening to Kneecap has soared in the past week and the band have entered the charts for the first time in several countries.
Following ten days of hostile stories about the rappers, their popularity continues to grow across the world as they win over legions of new fans.
This week, Kneecap's album 'Fine Art' entered the iTunes chart in Italy, Brazil and Germany for the first time. Not only that but the band's monthly listeners on Spotify has also grown from 100,000 to 1.1 million.
On average, Spotify pays artists between $0.003 and $0.005 per stream. This means that for every 1,000 streams, an artist would typically earn between $3 and $5. However, the exact payout can vary based on factors like the listener's location, subscription type (free or premium), and the artist's agreement with their record label or distributor.
Which = more tickets sold in bigger venues / merchandise sales on top. Outside of rape, or sexual abuse of minors I can't think of a single band / artist who has ever been 'cancelled'...look as those most vocal re Kneecap, the Tories, the DUP / TUV. There's an awful lot of non white supremists on the planet, mix that in with a band who don't seen to give a fcuk about them or the Zionists.
Exactly. They really shouldn't have said what they said however the people who are most outraged (and most of it fake outrage) are really the dregs of society. Boys who engage without apology with active terrorists who ruin "their own" communities and then boys who are happily in favour of covering up murders of the likes of Sean Brown and many more. They are the dregs of society.
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2025-04-20/ty-article/.premium/f**k-israel-free-palestine-at-coachella-gaza-war-and-bernie-sanders-take-center-stage/00000196-534b-d056-a7f7-f74b96f60000
f**k Israel, Free Palestine': At Coachella, Gaza War and Bernie Sanders Take Center Stage
At the Coachella festival in California, the Kneecap hip-hop band from Belfast used unapologetically crude language about Palestinian suffering: 'If you're not calling it a genocide, what the f**k are you calling it?' In his surprise appearance, Senator Sanders also referenced 'the terrible, brutal war in Gaza'
DJ Provai from the Belfast band Kneecap performs onstage wearing an Irish flag mask during the 2025 Coachella festival in California.Credit: AFP / VALERIE MACON
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The Israel-Palestine conflict was thrust into the spotlight over the past two weekends at Coachella, the popular music and arts festival held annually in California's Colorado Desert.
Alongside a lineup that included several Arab artists and musicians, multiple performers spoke out on behalf of the Palestinians, including Irish hip-hop group Kneecap, who took to the stage with their unapologetically crude messaging. "f**k Israel, Free Palestine," the group declared.
Last weekend, the Belfast trio, well-known for incorporating provocative political messaging into their performances, made their Coachella debut. The day before the band had taken to X to express their stance on Israel and the Gaza war.
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"f**k U.S.-backed Israel," the group wrote in a post. "The most dangerous c***ts on the planet are now 'seizing' Gaza. And f**k the EU and Brits for cheerleading f**king war crimes."
Their Friday night performance included statements against the late U.K. Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, another frequent target of the band's criticism.
As reported by music outlet NME, Kneecap member Mo Chara told the audience, "Here, if anybody was wondering, Margaret Thatcher's still dead." In response, the crowd broke out in a chant of "Maggie's in a box," which fans watching online say was cut from the livestream.
In a separate X post, Kneecap claimed the anti-Thatcher sentiment "was not the only thing that was cut – our messaging on the U.S.-backed genocide in Gaza somehow never appeared on screens either."
The group then vowed to "sort it all out" during their performance the following week, a promise they fulfilled on Friday, projecting onto the screen above the main stage messages including: "Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people," "Enabled by the U.S. government, which arms and funds Israel despite their war crimes," and "f**k Israel, Free Palestine."
Clad in a keffiyeh, Kneecap member Moglai Bap said, "The Irish not so long ago were persecuted at the hands of the Brits, but we were never bombed from the f**king skies with nowhere to go. It's their f**king home, and they're bombing it from the sky. If you're not calling it a genocide, what the f**k are you calling it?" before going on to lead the crowd in a round of "Free Palestine" chants.
Over the past two weekends, other Coachella performers have also taken up the cause, including 90s-era rock band Green Day, which altered the lyrics of their song "Jesus of Suburbia" from "running away from pain when you've been victimized" to "running away from pain like the kids from Palestine."
Arlene living rent free in their heads apparently.
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/arlene-foster-kneecap-nakedly-anti-british-and-i-live-rent-free-in-their-heads/a1279952870.html
Quote from: clarshack on May 04, 2025, 05:49:38 PMArlene living rent free in their heads apparently.
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/arlene-foster-kneecap-nakedly-anti-british-and-i-live-rent-free-in-their-heads/a1279952870.html
Arlene doing her best to stay relevant lol..
I see they've charged Liam Og with terror offences for holding a Hezbollah flag
Unbelievable! Has British 'terror police' nothing more to be at? And their own government supporting genocide. All very sinister and no doubt the very powerful Israeli lobby wanting to silence these boys.. and a conviction keep him out of US.
This one cud backfire on them tho..
Comedian Tim McGarry tweeted tonite: "Breaking - Kneecap members to join UVF in order to beat terror charges" .. he's not wrong.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 21, 2025, 11:09:35 PMUnbelievable! Has British 'terror police' nothing more to be at? And their own government supporting genocide. All very sinister and no doubt the very powerful Israeli lobby wanting to silence these boys.. and a conviction keep him out of US.
This one cud backfire on them tho..
Comedian Tim McGarry tweeted tonite: "Breaking - Kneecap members to join UVF in order to terror charges" .. he's not wrong.
It's clear what they're at
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 21, 2025, 11:10:24 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 21, 2025, 11:09:35 PMUnbelievable! Has British 'terror police' nothing more to be at? And their own government supporting genocide. All very sinister and no doubt the very powerful Israeli lobby wanting to silence these boys.. and a conviction keep him out of US.
This one cud backfire on them tho..
Comedian Tim McGarry tweeted tonite: "Breaking - Kneecap members to join UVF in order to terror charges" .. he's not wrong.
It's clear what they're at
"They think that they have foreseen everything, think that they have provided against everything; but the fools, the fools, the fools! – they have left us our Fenian dead, and while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace."The colonisers never understand the mindset of those they oppress and the Met have just gone and made things worse for themselves and their Zionist paymasters.
This will be on the front pages around the world for weeks.
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 21, 2025, 11:10:24 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 21, 2025, 11:09:35 PMUnbelievable! Has British 'terror police' nothing more to be at? And their own government supporting genocide. All very sinister and no doubt the very powerful Israeli lobby wanting to silence these boys.. and a conviction keep him out of US.
This one cud backfire on them tho..
Comedian Tim McGarry tweeted tonite: "Breaking - Kneecap members to join UVF in order to terror charges" .. he's not wrong.
It's clear what they're at
Yes it is.
Now correct me if I'm wrong here , but didn't the Ireland ladies team sing "ooh aah up the ra" in the changing rooms in Hampden park ?
Last time I checked , Scotland was in the UK. If the British government are to be consistent, why weren't those girls arrested for "terror offences"?
Aren't Hamas and the IRA deemed "terrorist organisations" by the British government?
Anyway......
No arrest, no interview as far as I know? Just straight to a terrorism charge from the CPS on the basis of a video? More than a bit strange.
I imagine a few human rights lawyers will be desperate to get their hands on this and tear the case to shreds.
Quote from: gallsman on May 22, 2025, 01:28:48 PMNo arrest, no interview as far as I know? Just straight to a terrorism charge from the CPS on the basis of a video? More than a bit strange.
I imagine a few human rights lawyers will be desperate to get their hands on this and tear the case to shreds.
100%. The hypocrisy is unreal, look at your man on the wtf thread the other day, guns couldnt be linked to terrorism but this boy and a flag can.
Not to mention the hundreds of loyalist flags you'll see throughout the north over the sunmer.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 23, 2025, 10:52:25 AMQuote from: gallsman on May 22, 2025, 01:28:48 PMNo arrest, no interview as far as I know? Just straight to a terrorism charge from the CPS on the basis of a video? More than a bit strange.
I imagine a few human rights lawyers will be desperate to get their hands on this and tear the case to shreds.
100%. The hypocrisy is unreal, look at your man on the wtf thread the other day, guns couldnt be linked to terrorism but this boy and a flag can.
Not to mention the hundreds of loyalist flags you'll see throughout the north over the sunmer.
The Met police dug deep to find that charge whereas the PSNI and PPS here
chose not to struggle to deal with even the most obvious of charges especially when it relates to loyalism.
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 22, 2025, 12:11:15 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 21, 2025, 11:10:24 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 21, 2025, 11:09:35 PMUnbelievable! Has British 'terror police' nothing more to be at? And their own government supporting genocide. All very sinister and no doubt the very powerful Israeli lobby wanting to silence these boys.. and a conviction keep him out of US.
This one cud backfire on them tho..
Comedian Tim McGarry tweeted tonite: "Breaking - Kneecap members to join UVF in order to terror charges" .. he's not wrong.
It's clear what they're at
Yes it is.
Now correct me if I'm wrong here , but didn't the Ireland ladies team sing "ooh aah up the ra" in the changing rooms in Hampden park ?
Last time I checked , Scotland was in the UK. If the British government are to be consistent, why weren't those girls arrested for "terror offences"?
Aren't Hamas and the IRA deemed "terrorist organisations" by the British government?
Anyway......
Because the Irish girls didn't have 'f**k Israel' on a big screen behind them. that's where all this is stemming from imo.
https://youtu.be/m5qr4EFeFKw?si=q0mSDqTiTapxtZsi
#charities
New tune.
https://soundcloud.com/user-89644332/kneecap-the-recap-ft-mozey?si=9a801eb2a89d423488ad03b84f7814dd&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 23, 2025, 01:50:20 PMNew tune.
https://soundcloud.com/user-89644332/kneecap-the-recap-ft-mozey?si=9a801eb2a89d423488ad03b84f7814dd&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
I like it
Quote from: JoG2 on May 23, 2025, 01:17:06 PMhttps://youtu.be/m5qr4EFeFKw?si=q0mSDqTiTapxtZsi
#charities
Very good
They were funny in the RTE documentary with Ray Goggins trekking with Ray Goggins in Finland. Worth a watch if you can get it.
Catholics fkrced from their homes in north Belfast....but Kneecap.
PSNI doing f'vk all about it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17rnd50kw5o
The lads are great but I wish they'd stop going on about bags of ket.
Their concert looked like there was a serious crowd at it last night.
Quote from: JimStynes on May 25, 2025, 05:57:26 PMThe lads are great but I wish they'd stop going on about bags of ket.
Their concert looked like there was a serious crowd at it last night.
Agreed. And they are brilliant artists and fearless on genocide in Palestine.
Drug promotion not the best message. I enjoyed their movie but you can be sure the drug using was all very overstated. You don't use drugs at that rate and have consistency in careers they are producing...
Don't want to sound like an aul lad but reality.. drugs destroy lives.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 25, 2025, 07:28:21 PMQuote from: JimStynes on May 25, 2025, 05:57:26 PMThe lads are great but I wish they'd stop going on about bags of ket.
Their concert looked like there was a serious crowd at it last night.
Agreed. And they are brilliant artists and fearless on genocide in Palestine.
Drug promotion not the best message. I enjoyed their movie but you can be sure the drug using was all very overstated. You don't use drugs at that rate and have consistency in careers they are producing...
Don't want to sound like an aul lad but reality.. drugs destroy lives.
Not sure where this post goes, hurt my brain lol
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2025, 07:43:59 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 25, 2025, 07:28:21 PMQuote from: JimStynes on May 25, 2025, 05:57:26 PMThe lads are great but I wish they'd stop going on about bags of ket.
Their concert looked like there was a serious crowd at it last night.
Agreed. And they are brilliant artists and fearless on genocide in Palestine.
Drug promotion not the best message. I enjoyed their movie but you can be sure the drug using was all very overstated. You don't use drugs at that rate and have consistency in careers they are producing...
Don't want to sound like an aul lad but reality.. drugs destroy lives.
Not sure where this post goes, hurt my brain lol
Take a dander into your city centre or the Waterworks or thon cemetery on the Falls and see how drugs hurts young people's brains... kids are impressionable is all I'm saying.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 25, 2025, 07:52:54 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2025, 07:43:59 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 25, 2025, 07:28:21 PMQuote from: JimStynes on May 25, 2025, 05:57:26 PMThe lads are great but I wish they'd stop going on about bags of ket.
Their concert looked like there was a serious crowd at it last night.
Agreed. And they are brilliant artists and fearless on genocide in Palestine.
Drug promotion not the best message. I enjoyed their movie but you can be sure the drug using was all very overstated. You don't use drugs at that rate and have consistency in careers they are producing...
Don't want to sound like an aul lad but reality.. drugs destroy lives.
Not sure where this post goes, hurt my brain lol
Take a dander into your city centre or the Waterworks or thon cemetery on the Falls and see how drugs hurts young people's brains... kids are impressionable is all I'm saying.
I'm 53 years of age, drugs were flat out during those years. The drug of choice was glue, petrol and other stuff.. then the most accessible stuff was mushrooms acid then blow and E's...
The main drug though was drink, and the places you mentioned were the worst places for the most legalised drugs of all, cigarettes and alcohol..
Recreational drugs have always been about.. it's not right but hanging your hat on that is wrong
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2025, 08:08:21 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 25, 2025, 07:52:54 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2025, 07:43:59 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 25, 2025, 07:28:21 PMQuote from: JimStynes on May 25, 2025, 05:57:26 PMThe lads are great but I wish they'd stop going on about bags of ket.
Their concert looked like there was a serious crowd at it last night.
Agreed. And they are brilliant artists and fearless on genocide in Palestine.
Drug promotion not the best message. I enjoyed their movie but you can be sure the drug using was all very overstated. You don't use drugs at that rate and have consistency in careers they are producing...
Don't want to sound like an aul lad but reality.. drugs destroy lives.
Not sure where this post goes, hurt my brain lol
Take a dander into your city centre or the Waterworks or thon cemetery on the Falls and see how drugs hurts young people's brains... kids are impressionable is all I'm saying.
I'm 53 years of age, drugs were flat out during those years. The drug of choice was glue, petrol and other stuff.. then the most accessible stuff was mushrooms acid then blow and E's...
The main drug though was drink, and the places you mentioned were the worst places for the most legalised drugs of all, cigarettes and alcohol..
Recreational drugs have always been about.. it's not right but hanging your hat on that is wrong
I worked in a homeless hostel in Belfast and volunteered on a street soup run... albeit is a while ago. Was more than alcohol & cigarettes in those places!
Anyway I'm a huge fan of Kneecap and my post may have been clunky.... just saying a call to take drugs not the best idea and kids are impressionable.
And no doubt they'll be charged with promoting illegal substances when tge "terrorism" case is over.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 25, 2025, 08:28:10 PMAnd no doubt they'll be charged with promoting illegal substances when tge "terrorism" case is over.
Hadn't thought of that! Don't wanna put ideas in Zionist/Brit heads...
I worked as a volunteer in a homeless shelter for the Legion of Mary, was based on the bottom of the Falls, alcohol was the biggest (for me still) problem we have as a society.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2025, 09:58:35 PMI worked as a volunteer in a homeless shelter for the Legion of Mary, was based on the bottom of the Falls, alcohol was the biggest (for me still) problem we have as a society.
I was in Lee Hestia on Brunswick Street. Rough place.. a 'wet hostel' trying to control alcoholics drinking... that experiment didn't work! Aye Legion of Mary did good work... was in it a few times while working with the other outfit. Don't disagree with you... alcohol is biggest problem in terms of numbers..
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 22, 2025, 12:11:15 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 21, 2025, 11:10:24 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 21, 2025, 11:09:35 PMUnbelievable! Has British 'terror police' nothing more to be at? And their own government supporting genocide. All very sinister and no doubt the very powerful Israeli lobby wanting to silence these boys.. and a conviction keep him out of US.
This one cud backfire on them tho..
Comedian Tim McGarry tweeted tonite: "Breaking - Kneecap members to join UVF in order to terror charges" .. he's not wrong.
It's clear what they're at
Yes it is.
Now correct me if I'm wrong here , but didn't the Ireland ladies team sing "ooh aah up the ra" in the changing rooms in Hampden park ?
Last time I checked , Scotland was in the UK. If the British government are to be consistent, why weren't those girls arrested for "terror offences"?
Aren't Hamas and the IRA deemed "terrorist organisations" by the British government?
Anyway......
And were fined by FIFA. Another reason why I avoid watching soccer. The problem with that is they had no proof of what version of the IRA they were singing about. The IRA of the 1920's played an important part in the formation of their country so it shouldn't be illegal to sing about them.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on May 26, 2025, 02:18:45 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on May 22, 2025, 12:11:15 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 21, 2025, 11:10:24 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 21, 2025, 11:09:35 PMUnbelievable! Has British 'terror police' nothing more to be at? And their own government supporting genocide. All very sinister and no doubt the very powerful Israeli lobby wanting to silence these boys.. and a conviction keep him out of US.
This one cud backfire on them tho..
Comedian Tim McGarry tweeted tonite: "Breaking - Kneecap members to join UVF in order to terror charges" .. he's not wrong.
It's clear what they're at
Yes it is.
Now correct me if I'm wrong here , but didn't the Ireland ladies team sing "ooh aah up the ra" in the changing rooms in Hampden park ?
Last time I checked , Scotland was in the UK. If the British government are to be consistent, why weren't those girls arrested for "terror offences"?
Aren't Hamas and the IRA deemed "terrorist organisations" by the British government?
Anyway......
And were fined by FIFA. Another reason why I avoid watching soccer. The problem with that is they had no proof of what version of the IRA they were singing about. The IRA of the 1920's played an important part in the formation of their country so it shouldn't be illegal to sing about them.
Wouldn't both IRA's be deemed as terrorists by the British establishment?
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 26, 2025, 02:30:14 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on May 26, 2025, 02:18:45 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on May 22, 2025, 12:11:15 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 21, 2025, 11:10:24 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 21, 2025, 11:09:35 PMUnbelievable! Has British 'terror police' nothing more to be at? And their own government supporting genocide. All very sinister and no doubt the very powerful Israeli lobby wanting to silence these boys.. and a conviction keep him out of US.
This one cud backfire on them tho..
Comedian Tim McGarry tweeted tonite: "Breaking - Kneecap members to join UVF in order to terror charges" .. he's not wrong.
It's clear what they're at
Yes it is.
Now correct me if I'm wrong here , but didn't the Ireland ladies team sing "ooh aah up the ra" in the changing rooms in Hampden park ?
Last time I checked , Scotland was in the UK. If the British government are to be consistent, why weren't those girls arrested for "terror offences"?
Aren't Hamas and the IRA deemed "terrorist organisations" by the British government?
Anyway......
And were fined by FIFA. Another reason why I avoid watching soccer. The problem with that is they had no proof of what version of the IRA they were singing about. The IRA of the 1920's played an important part in the formation of their country so it shouldn't be illegal to sing about them.
Wouldn't both IRA's be deemed as terrorists by the British establishment?
Didn't stop Queen Lizzie honouring the "good old IRA" terrorists in the garden of remembrance
Gareth Peirce part of the legal dream team.
Quote from: gallsman on June 13, 2025, 04:21:13 PMGareth Peirce part of the legal dream team.
Some team! Brolly didn't even make the bench.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 13, 2025, 04:32:19 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 13, 2025, 04:21:13 PMGareth Peirce part of the legal dream team.
Some team! Brolly didn't even make the bench.
My thoughts too! He was on the team last time bout the funding.. 'hard luck kemi'. Brolly did a very good podcast about this case explaining the legalities of the prosecution..
Strong team tho. Cud be a major PR own goal for the Brits...
Liam Og in court today
The CV of the legal team is something else.
Hillsborough families
Noah Donohoe
Julian Assange
Gilford 4
been released on unconditional bail until the 20th August
Israel - 'Let's accuse everyone who tries to highlight our slaughter of innocent Palestinians of being Hamas supporters'.
Anyone with a brain - 'We aren't supporting Hamas, we're pointing out you're trying to commit genocide in Gaza'.
Kneecap - 'Up Hamas, Up Hezbollah'
Utter moronic, edgelord behaviour that plays straight into Israel's hands.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on June 18, 2025, 12:11:38 PMIsrael - 'Let's accuse everyone who tries to highlight our slaughter of innocent Palestinians of being Hamas supporters'.
Anyone with a brain - 'We aren't supporting Hamas, we're pointing out you're trying to commit genocide in Gaza'.
Kneecap - 'Up Hamas, Up Hezbollah'
Utter moronic, edgelord behaviour that plays straight into Israel's hands.
Not as moronic as your comment. 'Plays into the hands of Israel' that has murdered thousands of children and women and male civilians. New tactic opening fire on starving people using food as a bait. Israel and the UK/US government should be in the dock for war crimes and aiding and abbeting war crimes.. not someone for shouting up Hezbollah at a concert. Stop being a lickspittle..
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 18, 2025, 02:42:26 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on June 18, 2025, 12:11:38 PMIsrael - 'Let's accuse everyone who tries to highlight our slaughter of innocent Palestinians of being Hamas supporters'.
Anyone with a brain - 'We aren't supporting Hamas, we're pointing out you're trying to commit genocide in Gaza'.
Kneecap - 'Up Hamas, Up Hezbollah'
Utter moronic, edgelord behaviour that plays straight into Israel's hands.
Not as moronic as your comment. 'Plays into the hands of Israel' that has murdered thousands of children and women and male civilians. New tactic opening fire on starving people using food as a bait. Israel and the UK/US government should be in the dock for war crimes and aiding and abbeting war crimes.. not someone for shouting up Hezbollah at a concert. Stop being a lickspittle..
We all know what Israel has done and is doing.
We also all know how their propaganda machine works.
Kneecap shouting 'Uo Hamas' plays right into the Israeli propaganda machine.
Try using your brain for a change.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on June 18, 2025, 02:52:07 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 18, 2025, 02:42:26 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on June 18, 2025, 12:11:38 PMIsrael - 'Let's accuse everyone who tries to highlight our slaughter of innocent Palestinians of being Hamas supporters'.
Anyone with a brain - 'We aren't supporting Hamas, we're pointing out you're trying to commit genocide in Gaza'.
Kneecap - 'Up Hamas, Up Hezbollah'
Utter moronic, edgelord behaviour that plays straight into Israel's hands.
Not as moronic as your comment. 'Plays into the hands of Israel' that has murdered thousands of children and women and male civilians. New tactic opening fire on starving people using food as a bait. Israel and the UK/US government should be in the dock for war crimes and aiding and abbeting war crimes.. not someone for shouting up Hezbollah at a concert. Stop being a lickspittle..
We all know what Israel has done and is doing.
We also all know how their propaganda machine works.
Kneecap shouting 'Uo Hamas' plays right into the Israeli propaganda machine.
Try using your brain for a change.
It is to silence Kneecap after they shouted support for Palestine at a gig in the US and the crowd joined in... then the British establishment went scouring for something to silence them and stop them getting into the US again.. a criminal conviction. Is a totally politically motivated criminal charge and also works as a distraction for boys like you to not keep the focus on Israeli war crimes supported by UK/US.
Is like being brought to court the day after Bloody Sunday for shouting up the IRA.. but the real terrorists?... and you tell me to use my brain! #brainwashed
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 18, 2025, 03:00:37 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on June 18, 2025, 02:52:07 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 18, 2025, 02:42:26 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on June 18, 2025, 12:11:38 PMIsrael - 'Let's accuse everyone who tries to highlight our slaughter of innocent Palestinians of being Hamas supporters'.
Anyone with a brain - 'We aren't supporting Hamas, we're pointing out you're trying to commit genocide in Gaza'.
Kneecap - 'Up Hamas, Up Hezbollah'
Utter moronic, edgelord behaviour that plays straight into Israel's hands.
Not as moronic as your comment. 'Plays into the hands of Israel' that has murdered thousands of children and women and male civilians. New tactic opening fire on starving people using food as a bait. Israel and the UK/US government should be in the dock for war crimes and aiding and abbeting war crimes.. not someone for shouting up Hezbollah at a concert. Stop being a lickspittle..
We all know what Israel has done and is doing.
We also all know how their propaganda machine works.
Kneecap shouting 'Uo Hamas' plays right into the Israeli propaganda machine.
Try using your brain for a change.
It is to silence Kneecap after they shouted support for Palestine at a gig in the US and the crowd joined in... then the British establishment went scouring for something to silence them and stop them getting into the US again.. a criminal conviction. Is a totally politically motivated criminal charge and also works as a distraction for boys like you to not keep the focus on Israeli war crimes supported by UK/US.
Is like being brought to court the day after Bloody Sunday for shouting up the IRA.. but the real terrorists?... and you tell me to use my brain! #brainwashed
Every single thing you've said supports the point I'm making.
Don't shout 'Up Hamas' - if you do you load the gun they're going to fire at you.
Use your brain.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on June 18, 2025, 03:22:43 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 18, 2025, 03:00:37 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on June 18, 2025, 02:52:07 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 18, 2025, 02:42:26 PMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on June 18, 2025, 12:11:38 PMIsrael - 'Let's accuse everyone who tries to highlight our slaughter of innocent Palestinians of being Hamas supporters'.
Anyone with a brain - 'We aren't supporting Hamas, we're pointing out you're trying to commit genocide in Gaza'.
Kneecap - 'Up Hamas, Up Hezbollah'
Utter moronic, edgelord behaviour that plays straight into Israel's hands.
Not as moronic as your comment. 'Plays into the hands of Israel' that has murdered thousands of children and women and male civilians. New tactic opening fire on starving people using food as a bait. Israel and the UK/US government should be in the dock for war crimes and aiding and abbeting war crimes.. not someone for shouting up Hezbollah at a concert. Stop being a lickspittle..
We all know what Israel has done and is doing.
We also all know how their propaganda machine works.
Kneecap shouting 'Uo Hamas' plays right into the Israeli propaganda machine.
Try using your brain for a change.
It is to silence Kneecap after they shouted support for Palestine at a gig in the US and the crowd joined in... then the British establishment went scouring for something to silence them and stop them getting into the US again.. a criminal conviction. Is a totally politically motivated criminal charge and also works as a distraction for boys like you to not keep the focus on Israeli war crimes supported by UK/US.
Is like being brought to court the day after Bloody Sunday for shouting up the IRA.. but the real terrorists?... and you tell me to use my brain! #brainwashed
Every single thing you've said supports the point I'm making.
Don't shout 'Up Hamas' - if you do you load the gun they're going to fire at you.
Use your brain.
You are in effect agreeing with this case being taken against Kneecap. Zionist bullshit being perpetrated by a British 'justice system'..
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 18, 2025, 04:49:16 PMYou are in effect agreeing with this case being taken against Kneecap. Zionist bullshit being perpetrated by a British 'justice system'..
You're talking complete f**king pony here. It's perfectly legitimate to say shouting "up Hamas, up Hezbollah" was a bit daft whilst agreeing that the political policing of them and prosecution of Mo Chara is complete bullshit.
Quote from: gallsman on June 18, 2025, 06:04:58 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 18, 2025, 04:49:16 PMYou are in effect agreeing with this case being taken against Kneecap. Zionist bullshit being perpetrated by a British 'justice system'..
You're talking complete f**king pony here. It's perfectly legitimate to say shouting "up Hamas, up Hezbollah" was a bit daft whilst agreeing that the political policing of them and prosecution of Mo Chara is complete bullshit.
It's no big deal. Get over yourself.. is people shouting up the 'RA bout your part of the world for years ... oohaah.. arrest the Wolfe Tones ::)
* is he not charged with waving a Hezbollah flag?.. thrown onto the stage probly to stitch him up.
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 18, 2025, 06:09:02 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 18, 2025, 06:04:58 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 18, 2025, 04:49:16 PMYou are in effect agreeing with this case being taken against Kneecap. Zionist bullshit being perpetrated by a British 'justice system'..
You're talking complete f**king pony here. It's perfectly legitimate to say shouting "up Hamas, up Hezbollah" was a bit daft whilst agreeing that the political policing of them and prosecution of Mo Chara is complete bullshit.
It's no big deal. Get over yourself.. is people shouting up the 'RA bout your part of the world for years ... oohaah.. arrest the Wolfe Tones ::)
* is he not charged with waving a Hezbollah flag?.. thrown onto the stage probly to stitch him up.
Yup. A terror charge for a flag ffs
Up KNEECAP....
Talk about legends....
Walk the walk....Talk the talk...
Whilst 'others' sit in silence....DISGUSTING......
The lads deserve an award....
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 13, 2025, 05:41:42 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on June 13, 2025, 04:32:19 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 13, 2025, 04:21:13 PMGareth Peirce part of the legal dream team.
Some team! Brolly didn't even make the bench.
My thoughts too! He was on the team last time bout the funding.. 'hard luck kemi'. Brolly did a very good podcast about this case explaining the legalities of the prosecution..
Strong team tho. Cud be a major PR own goal for the Brits...
Did it cover the jurisdictional issue?
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 18, 2025, 06:09:02 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 18, 2025, 06:04:58 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 18, 2025, 04:49:16 PMYou are in effect agreeing with this case being taken against Kneecap. Zionist bullshit being perpetrated by a British 'justice system'..
You're talking complete f**king pony here. It's perfectly legitimate to say shouting "up Hamas, up Hezbollah" was a bit daft whilst agreeing that the political policing of them and prosecution of Mo Chara is complete bullshit.
It's no big deal. Get over yourself.. is people shouting up the 'RA bout your part of the world for years ... oohaah.. arrest the Wolfe Tones ::)
* is he not charged with waving a Hezbollah flag?.. thrown onto the stage probly to stitch him up.
Get over myself? You're the f**king eejit who can't read. Stop putting words (that you clearly aren't capable of understanding) in other people's mouths.
Arrest the Wolfe Tones? If f**king only.
For those of you who can't read, or don't bother to, or want to, he is accused of displaying a flag and shouting "up Hamas, up Hezbollah".
Quote from: gallsman on June 18, 2025, 09:39:12 PMFor those of you who can't read, or don't bother to, or want to, he is accused of displaying a flag and shouting "up Hamas, up Hezbollah".
Meanwhile the c***ts backing the real terrorists walk free...
Quote from: gallsman on June 18, 2025, 09:39:12 PMFor those of you who can't read, or don't bother to, or want to, he is accused of displaying a flag and shouting "up Hamas, up Hezbollah".
Where'd you read that?
Why does it pain you so much that they shouted Up Hamas.. or Up Hezbollah ? In light of the genocide that is a nothing...
...Liam Óg Ó hAnnaidh, charged under the name Liam O'Hanna, is accused of displaying a flag in support of proscribed organisation Hezbollah at a London gig.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4k4xnlj8qo.amp
Quote from: gallsman on June 18, 2025, 09:39:12 PMFor those of you who can't read, or don't bother to, or want to, he is accused of displaying a flag and shouting "up Hamas, up Hezbollah".
Nope. Accused of displaying a flag in support of a proscribed organisation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4k4xnlj8qo.amp
Again, you can't read, or simply don't want. I've never said it pains me in the slightest.
You think a musician shouting "up Hamas, up Hezbollah" at a concert is not comparable with a genocide that has killed tens of thousands? Some f**king genius you are to arrive at that conclusion. Well done.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 18, 2025, 10:56:49 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 18, 2025, 09:39:12 PMFor those of you who can't read, or don't bother to, or want to, he is accused of displaying a flag and shouting "up Hamas, up Hezbollah".
Nope. Accused of displaying a flag in support of a proscribed organisation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4k4xnlj8qo.amp
Em, yes.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jun/18/kneecap-rapper-charged-with-terror-offence-released-on-unconditional-bail-liam-og-o-hannaidh?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Quote from: gallsman on June 18, 2025, 10:59:15 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 18, 2025, 10:56:49 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 18, 2025, 09:39:12 PMFor those of you who can't read, or don't bother to, or want to, he is accused of displaying a flag and shouting "up Hamas, up Hezbollah".
Nope. Accused of displaying a flag in support of a proscribed organisation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4k4xnlj8qo.amp
Em, yes.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jun/18/kneecap-rapper-charged-with-terror-offence-released-on-unconditional-bail-liam-og-o-hannaidh?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
One of thems wrong. Huge own goal by British 'justice system'..
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/live-kneecap-member-mo-chara-31879880.amp
The prosecutor's words were:
QuoteThe allegation in this case is a wholly different thing and deals with the video recording showing that, in November of last year, Mr O'Hanna wore and displayed the flag of Hezbollah ... while saying 'up Hamas, up Hezbollah'.
Just as a reminder about what happens when people don't read things, or fly off the handle while foaming at the mouth and failing to read something fully, the original suggestion was that GIVEN HOW WE ALL KNOW AND AGREE THE ISRAELI PROPAGANDA MACHINE WILL SEIZE ON AND MANIPULATE THINGS, such actions (proclaiming support for Hamas/Hezbollah rather than sticking to criticism of Israel) are, at best, ill-advised and play directly into their hands.
I'm genuinely shocked that this has to be explained in such minute detail, but that is not the same thing as:
1) saying the Brits are correct to prosecute him
2) suggesting that such actions are on a par with the genocidal slaughter of tens of thousands.
Looking forward to seeing them on August 29th.
Quote from: gallsman on June 18, 2025, 11:15:54 PMJust as a reminder about what happens when people don't read things, or fly off the handle while foaming at the mouth and failing to read something fully, the original suggestion was that GIVEN HOW WE ALL KNOW AND AGREE THE ISRAELI PROPAGANDA MACHINE WILL SEIZE ON AND MANIPULATE THINGS, such actions (proclaiming support for Hamas/Hezbollah rather than sticking to criticism of Israel) are, at best, ill-advised and play directly into their hands.
I'm genuinely shocked that this has to be explained in such minute detail, but that is not the same thing as:
1) saying the Brits are correct to prosecute him
2) suggesting that such actions are on a par with the genocidal slaughter of tens of thousands.
Looking forward to seeing them on August 29th.
Who's foaming at the mouth? Jamie Bryson spake right there :D
I don't even pay heed to the so-called Israeli propaganda machine... they're avowed murderers and liars totally discredited. Only ones coming out well from this is Kneecap and their campaign to highlight genocide in Gaza.
PS... The charge states that he "displayed an article, namely a flag, in such a way or in such circumstances as to arouse reasonable suspicion that he is a supporter of a proscribed organisation, namely Hizballah, contrary to section 13(1) (b) and (3) of the Terrorism Act 2000". : )
Its ok to be wrong : )
Who said anything about the charge? We're talking about what he's accused off. Read, dear boy!
Quote from: gallsman on June 19, 2025, 06:49:27 AMWho said anything about the charge? We're talking about what he's accused off. Read, dear boy!
Were you up all night thinking of that response? :D The charge is what he is accused of lol! Have a nice day 8)
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 18, 2025, 11:03:39 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 18, 2025, 10:59:15 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 18, 2025, 10:56:49 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 18, 2025, 09:39:12 PMFor those of you who can't read, or don't bother to, or want to, he is accused of displaying a flag and shouting "up Hamas, up Hezbollah".
Nope. Accused of displaying a flag in support of a proscribed organisation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4k4xnlj8qo.amp
Em, yes.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jun/18/kneecap-rapper-charged-with-terror-offence-released-on-unconditional-bail-liam-og-o-hannaidh?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
One of thems wrong. Huge own goal by British 'justice system'..
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/live-kneecap-member-mo-chara-31879880.amp
The guardian seems to be the only one that adds the shouting bit
My point stands:
1. Israel tries to equate any criticism of them as support of Hamas.
2. Kneecap shouting 'Up Hamas' gives Israel an open goal.
It's simple and irrefutable.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on June 19, 2025, 08:14:37 AMMy point stands:
1. Israel tries to equate any criticism of them as support of Hamas.
2. Kneecap shouting 'Up Hamas' gives Israel an open goal.
It's simple and irrefutable.
Mo Chara left himself open to this by what he shouted and will be used to build the case that he supports a proscribed organisation but make no bones about this the spotlight was shone on them after the Coachella thing in the US.
It looks like the defence are questioning whether the court have jurisdiction on this matter, anyone shed any light on that for us less well informed in the legal gymnastics at play?
Quote from: johnnycool on June 19, 2025, 08:31:05 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on June 19, 2025, 08:14:37 AMMy point stands:
1. Israel tries to equate any criticism of them as support of Hamas.
2. Kneecap shouting 'Up Hamas' gives Israel an open goal.
It's simple and irrefutable.
Mo Chara left himself open to this by what he shouted and will be used to build the case that he supports a proscribed organisation but make no bones about this the spotlight was shone on them after the Coachella thing in the US.
It looks like the defence are questioning whether the court have jurisdiction on this matter, anyone shed any light on that for us less well informed in the legal gymnastics at play?
I'm not disputing that. Actually the fact that the spotlight was turned on them and what they said previously is now being used against them is the point I'm making.
What Israel says and thinks doesn't matter, its a genocidal apartheid state that lies and lies and lies.
What this stupid case shows which has been evidence for years to most, some only more recently recognoise it and others like to distract and ignore is the hypocrisy of western politics, who are as bad if not worst than what they try and portrait as the most evil regimes and they are more than complicit, they are championing and fueling the narratives.
This is a complete own goal for the hasbara merchants... Kneecap are bigger now, the message has a widen audience, they have not been silenced and the hypocrisy of UK could not be any clearer.
Hezbollah are in Government in Lebanon, the UK trades with Lebanon, the UK government (despite legal agreements etc. then prevent trade with Hezollah) are likely providing more support than Mo Chara or Kneecap ever have but uthering 4 words and for f**k sake flying a flag!!
the last few pages play right into Israeli propagandists (if played out in a broader context. for the avoidance of doubt I don't think Israelis read this forum etc.) hands by distracting away form the 100s murdered by Israel and its ISIS proxies daily while they try to get food
Surely theres precedent to ignoring that particular law given the amount of loyalist flags you'll see over the next few weeks and have been seeing for years..
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 19, 2025, 08:48:17 AMSurely theres precedent to ignoring that particular law given the amount of loyalist flags you'll see over the next few weeks and have been seeing for years..
Yes, the UDA UVF LVF and so on proscribed organisations flegs, anyone putting them up will they get the same attention?
I doubt it very much and there will be no call out against it by even the nationalist or republican political parties..
BTW I've tried to listen to their music, still crap ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2025, 08:54:02 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 19, 2025, 08:48:17 AMSurely theres precedent to ignoring that particular law given the amount of loyalist flags you'll see over the next few weeks and have been seeing for years..
Yes, the UDA UVF LVF and so on proscribed organisations flegs, anyone putting them up will they get the same attention?
I doubt it very much and there will be no call out against it by even the nationalist or republican political parties..
BTW I've tried to listen to their music, still crap ;D
thats it, if the charges were crimes against music he'd be gonna do life! but this whole thing is a complete sham and just sums up where the UK is as a country. im sure from a personal point of view its not nice having it hang over your head but from a career and exposure pov its been sensational for them!
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on June 19, 2025, 08:47:02 AMthe last few pages play right into Israeli propagandists (if played out in a broader context. for the avoidance of doubt I don't think Israelis read this forum etc.) hands by distracting away form the 100s murdered by Israel and its ISIS proxies daily while they try to get food
Just to clarify, people discussing whether or not Kneecap/Mo Chara played into the hands of the Israeli propaganda machine, is what plays into the Israeli propaganda machine? You're gonna have to elaborate on that one.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 19, 2025, 08:31:05 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on June 19, 2025, 08:14:37 AMMy point stands:
1. Israel tries to equate any criticism of them as support of Hamas.
2. Kneecap shouting 'Up Hamas' gives Israel an open goal.
It's simple and irrefutable.
Mo Chara left himself open to this by what he shouted and will be used to build the case that he supports a proscribed organisation but make no bones about this the spotlight was shone on them after the Coachella thing in the US.
It looks like the defence are questioning whether the court have jurisdiction on this matter, anyone shed any light on that for us less well informed in the legal gymnastics at play?
Yes although I think the reporting must be wrong. Either that or I can't read a calendar. The reporting suggesting the issue is one of the case being what's called statute barred.
This offence is what's known as a summary offence meaning it can only be heard in the Magistrates Court. It can not be heard in the Crown Court. Most summary offences (including this one) must be commenced within 6 months. Proceedings are commenced when a complaint is made to a lay magistrate not when a summons is issued. The complained of offence occurred in November. The proceedings don't seem to have been commenced until May. I can't remember the specific dates of either of those but a google suggests the CPS laid the complaint in time (just).
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2025, 08:54:02 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 19, 2025, 08:48:17 AMSurely theres precedent to ignoring that particular law given the amount of loyalist flags you'll see over the next few weeks and have been seeing for years..
Yes, the UDA UVF LVF and so on proscribed organisations flegs, anyone putting them up will they get the same attention?
I doubt it very much and there will be no call out against it by even the nationalist or republican political parties..
BTW I've tried to listen to their music, still crap ;D
To bring a prosecution two tests must be met. The evidential test ie is there enough evidence to secure a conviction. If so then a public interest test is applied.
There would be a clear public interest argument (not saying I agree with it) that you wouldn't prosecute in Northern Ireland for local proscribed organisations. That argument would be considerably lessened in London for a predominantly overseas organisation.
Also it's not a defence to say well I wouldn't have been prosecuted in an other jurisdiction with similar legislative provisions. Nor is it a defence to say well such and such didn't get prosecuted for this.
The famous line once used when I tried to raise such an argument was. If there is any honour amongst thieves they should rejoice in their comrades good fortune not take sorrow in their own misfortune.
Again none of this should be taken as me espousing a view either way on the case.
Quote from: gallsman on June 19, 2025, 09:16:46 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on June 19, 2025, 08:47:02 AMthe last few pages play right into Israeli propagandists (if played out in a broader context. for the avoidance of doubt I don't think Israelis read this forum etc.) hands by distracting away form the 100s murdered by Israel and its ISIS proxies daily while they try to get food
Just to clarify, people discussing whether or not Kneecap/Mo Chara played into the hands of the Israeli propaganda machine, is what plays into the Israeli propaganda machine? You're gonna have to elaborate on that one.
I'm genuinely shocked that this has to be explained.. kneecap have continually stated they are not the story. Given your recent exchange and our previous exchanges, I'm aware of your pendanic nature, I'll add israel doesn't want the babies they murdered to be the story, they want distractions and victimhood
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/kneecap-say-terror-charge-is-carnival-of-distraction-and-political-policing-1765379.html
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on June 19, 2025, 09:39:09 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 19, 2025, 09:16:46 AMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on June 19, 2025, 08:47:02 AMthe last few pages play right into Israeli propagandists (if played out in a broader context. for the avoidance of doubt I don't think Israelis read this forum etc.) hands by distracting away form the 100s murdered by Israel and its ISIS proxies daily while they try to get food
Just to clarify, people discussing whether or not Kneecap/Mo Chara played into the hands of the Israeli propaganda machine, is what plays into the Israeli propaganda machine? You're gonna have to elaborate on that one.
I'm genuinely shocked that this has to be explained.. kneecap have continually stated they are not the story. Given your recent exchange and our previous exchanges, I'm aware of your pendanic nature, I'll add israel doesn't want the babies they murdered to be the story, they want distractions and victimhood
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/kneecap-say-terror-charge-is-carnival-of-distraction-and-political-policing-1765379.html
Exactly. Talking of Israel propaganda machine is comparable to Goebbels propaganda machine. A totally discredited evil lying machine.
Targetting a Rap group is a distraction. Typical of the British establishment tho, Israeli lickspittles.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on June 19, 2025, 09:39:09 AMI'm genuinely shocked that this has to be explained.. kneecap have continually stated they are not the story. Given your recent exchange and our previous exchanges, I'm aware of your pendanic nature, I'll add israel doesn't want the babies they murdered to be the story, they want distractions and victimhood
It's not pedantry, it's that you've completely failed to understand the nuance of the discussion, not that it was particularly complex to begin with
Of course it's a distraction. Nobody is arguing otherwise. It's patently obviously to anyone with half a brain that that's the intent. The point is that, while fully aware of the carnival of distraction, as they put it, you can't give them an inch. They'll seize on every last sliver of potential controversy they can find to distract from their evil crimes.
Taking that into account, Kneecap are absolutely correct that they're not the story. However, via a momentary piece of daftness, they've offered up precisely that sliver of opportunity to try to discredit them and twist the story from "Kneecap attend in solidarity with Palestine" to "Kneecap glorify terrorism". That's what was being discussed.
it certainly is pedantry, look at the back and forth over the charges flying flags or saying up hamas, up hezbollah!!!
while you might not be arguing thats it not a distraction, yet here you are!!!
IMO the question raised by this should be why am chai Israel is not treated worst that up hezbollah/up Hamas or why all other similar offensives are ignored... Dawn French, Gary linker etc. apologised for naivety, it got them nowhere
Did Gary Lineker apologise?
He might have admitted breaking some sort of BBC impartiality rules , but I don't recall him actually apologising for what he said. Nor should he
You appear to be confusing his previous suspension for social media use with his leaving the BBC after re-posting content that contained anti-Semitic themes. He very publicly apologised.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 19, 2025, 11:16:43 AMDid Gary Lineker apologise?
He might have admitted breaking some sort of BBC impartiality rules , but I don't recall him actually apologising for what he said. Nor should he
For what got him fired, yes, very much so.
Quote from: gallsman on June 19, 2025, 11:30:08 AMYou appear to be confusing his previous suspension for social media use with his leaving the BBC after re-posting content that contained anti-Semitic themes. He very publicly apologised.
Was this the rat thing on the video that he shared?
There was also the wee stuffed octopus toy which is also antisemitic as well!
Is there anything that isn't antisemitic?
it was Greta that had a soft toy octopus
What Israel says and thinks doesn't matter, its a genocidal apartheid state that lies and lies and lies.
Israel lies and lies and lies and some people believe their lies.
You think propaganda doesn't work?
It does work and it works very effectively.
If you want proof then look no further than yourself and others on this board that believed and parroted Russian lies (and lies and lies) over their invasion of Ukraine.
You might be immune to Israeli propaganda but you and others were a complete sucker for Russian disinformation.
Hook line and sinker.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on June 20, 2025, 10:47:40 AMWhat Israel says and thinks doesn't matter, its a genocidal apartheid state that lies and lies and lies.
Israel lies and lies and lies and some people believe their lies.
You think propaganda doesn't work?
It does work and it works very effectively.
If you want proof then look no further than yourself and others on this board that believed and parroted Russian lies (and lies and lies) over their invasion of Ukraine.
You might be immune to Israeli propaganda but you and others were a complete sucker for Russian disinformation.
Hook line and sinker.
Any chance of keeping the Ukraine and Russia talk to the right thread?
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 20, 2025, 10:51:23 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on June 20, 2025, 10:47:40 AMWhat Israel says and thinks doesn't matter, its a genocidal apartheid state that lies and lies and lies.
Israel lies and lies and lies and some people believe their lies.
You think propaganda doesn't work?
It does work and it works very effectively.
If you want proof then look no further than yourself and others on this board that believed and parroted Russian lies (and lies and lies) over their invasion of Ukraine.
You might be immune to Israeli propaganda but you and others were a complete sucker for Russian disinformation.
Hook line and sinker.
Any chance of keeping the Ukraine and Russia talk to the right thread?
The effectiveness of propaganda is a relevant discussion point.
Quote from: Banks of the Bann on June 20, 2025, 11:13:28 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 20, 2025, 10:51:23 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on June 20, 2025, 10:47:40 AMWhat Israel says and thinks doesn't matter, its a genocidal apartheid state that lies and lies and lies.
Israel lies and lies and lies and some people believe their lies.
You think propaganda doesn't work?
It does work and it works very effectively.
If you want proof then look no further than yourself and others on this board that believed and parroted Russian lies (and lies and lies) over their invasion of Ukraine.
You might be immune to Israeli propaganda but you and others were a complete sucker for Russian disinformation.
Hook line and sinker.
Any chance of keeping the Ukraine and Russia talk to the right thread?
The effectiveness of propaganda is a relevant discussion point.
Had the case not been taken against Kneecap/Mo Chara I doubt if anybody in the world wide media or outside their fanbase would've paid any attention to or known about Kneecap and the flag waving incident. As it stands now the benefit to the Israeli cause is far outweighed by the attention this case has garnered. There's some doubt now but should the case go to court this imbalance will surely only increase.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 19, 2025, 09:19:08 AMQuote from: johnnycool on June 19, 2025, 08:31:05 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on June 19, 2025, 08:14:37 AMMy point stands:
1. Israel tries to equate any criticism of them as support of Hamas.
2. Kneecap shouting 'Up Hamas' gives Israel an open goal.
It's simple and irrefutable.
Mo Chara left himself open to this by what he shouted and will be used to build the case that he supports a proscribed organisation but make no bones about this the spotlight was shone on them after the Coachella thing in the US.
It looks like the defence are questioning whether the court have jurisdiction on this matter, anyone shed any light on that for us less well informed in the legal gymnastics at play?
Yes although I think the reporting must be wrong. Either that or I can't read a calendar. The reporting suggesting the issue is one of the case being what's called statute barred.
This offence is what's known as a summary offence meaning it can only be heard in the Magistrates Court. It can not be heard in the Crown Court. Most summary offences (including this one) must be commenced within 6 months. Proceedings are commenced when a complaint is made to a lay magistrate not when a summons is issued. The complained of offence occurred in November. The proceedings don't seem to have been commenced until May. I can't remember the specific dates of either of those but a google suggests the CPS laid the complaint in time (just).
Is the English 6 months thing similar to this bit in Irish law that relates to time between offence and summons?
'Generally speaking, a summons must issue within 6 months of the offence if it is to be dealt with by summary disposal'https://www.michaelstaines.ie/what-to-do-when-you-receive-a-summons
Can't wait to they lift all the men putting up UDA/UVF flags this summer!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 20, 2025, 12:33:19 PMCan't wait to they lift all the men putting up UDA/UVF flags this summer!
Dunno why you'd expect the Met to do that to begin with tbh.
Quote from: gallsman on June 20, 2025, 03:04:33 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 20, 2025, 12:33:19 PMCan't wait to they lift all the men putting up UDA/UVF flags this summer!
Dunno why you'd expect the Met to do that to begin with tbh.
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Quote from: Main Street on June 20, 2025, 11:56:55 AMQuote from: David McKeown on June 19, 2025, 09:19:08 AMQuote from: johnnycool on June 19, 2025, 08:31:05 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on June 19, 2025, 08:14:37 AMMy point stands:
1. Israel tries to equate any criticism of them as support of Hamas.
2. Kneecap shouting 'Up Hamas' gives Israel an open goal.
It's simple and irrefutable.
Mo Chara left himself open to this by what he shouted and will be used to build the case that he supports a proscribed organisation but make no bones about this the spotlight was shone on them after the Coachella thing in the US.
It looks like the defence are questioning whether the court have jurisdiction on this matter, anyone shed any light on that for us less well informed in the legal gymnastics at play?
Yes although I think the reporting must be wrong. Either that or I can't read a calendar. The reporting suggesting the issue is one of the case being what's called statute barred.
This offence is what's known as a summary offence meaning it can only be heard in the Magistrates Court. It can not be heard in the Crown Court. Most summary offences (including this one) must be commenced within 6 months. Proceedings are commenced when a complaint is made to a lay magistrate not when a summons is issued. The complained of offence occurred in November. The proceedings don't seem to have been commenced until May. I can't remember the specific dates of either of those but a google suggests the CPS laid the complaint in time (just).
Is the English 6 months thing similar to this bit in Irish law that relates to time between offence and summons?
'Generally speaking, a summons must issue within 6 months of the offence if it is to be dealt with by summary disposal'
https://www.michaelstaines.ie/what-to-do-when-you-receive-a-summons
Yes it steams from pre partition. Been a bit of a divergence over the last century but not much.
Quote from: gallsman on June 20, 2025, 03:04:33 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 20, 2025, 12:33:19 PMCan't wait to they lift all the men putting up UDA/UVF flags this summer!
Dunno why you'd expect the Met to do that to begin with tbh.
Is this something only the met can lift you for then??
Maybe not correct thread... on subject of 'Terrorism'... British government has today moved to designate 'Palestine Action' a terrorist organisation.. they're on a roll now.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 19, 2025, 09:25:10 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2025, 08:54:02 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 19, 2025, 08:48:17 AMSurely theres precedent to ignoring that particular law given the amount of loyalist flags you'll see over the next few weeks and have been seeing for years..
Yes, the UDA UVF LVF and so on proscribed organisations flegs, anyone putting them up will they get the same attention?
I doubt it very much and there will be no call out against it by even the nationalist or republican political parties..
BTW I've tried to listen to their music, still crap ;D
To bring a prosecution two tests must be met. The evidential test ie is there enough evidence to secure a conviction. If so then a public interest test is applied.
And if ever you wondered how the entire world could possibly be scripted and stage managed by the few who wanted to....David has wrapped it up in a few simple words here.
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 20, 2025, 09:20:43 PMMaybe not correct thread... on subject of 'Terrorism'... British government has today moved to designate 'Palestine Action' a terrorist organisation.. they're on a roll now.
A legal egg was saying this would have seen the Suffragettes classed as terrorist and suppressed as such.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 21, 2025, 02:32:25 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 20, 2025, 09:20:43 PMMaybe not correct thread... on subject of 'Terrorism'... British government has today moved to designate 'Palestine Action' a terrorist organisation.. they're on a roll now.
A legal egg was saying this would have seen the Suffragettes classed as terrorist and suppressed as such.
Political policing ordered by government is sinister. The Labour government has been more terrorist supporting genocide than a locka activists throwing paint on a plane.
Quote from: toby47 on May 01, 2025, 02:33:34 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on May 01, 2025, 01:48:44 PMQuote from: flowerpot on May 01, 2025, 01:09:45 PMWas on politics live on the BBC yesterday - Tory man going mental.
It's all about distraction.
It's counter productive though , as anyone who hadn't heard of Kneecap before , will have done so now. Out of curiosity if nothing else.
And a lot of people will now be aware of Kneecap 's views on the genocide in Gaza. And other musicians rowing in behind them , should amplify the message.
Sadly though , the slaughter will continue .
They have gone from 485k to 607k followers on instagram.
THE number of people listening to Kneecap has soared in the past week and the band have entered the charts for the first time in several countries.
Following ten days of hostile stories about the rappers, their popularity continues to grow across the world as they win over legions of new fans.
This week, Kneecap's album 'Fine Art' entered the iTunes chart in Italy, Brazil and Germany for the first time. Not only that but the band's monthly listeners on Spotify has also grown from 100,000 to 1.1 million.
I was reading an article this morning, they are now at 1.05million followers, more than doubled in a few months.
They announced a UK winter tour, have sold out Boucher along with The Fontaines next month, Headliner in Electric Picnic, 2 x sold out shows in 3Arena in December, in talks to headline AVA in Belfast next summer, rumours of Croke Park next year with The Wolfe Tones.
They are striking whilst the iron is hot anyway.
Quote from: toby47 on July 16, 2025, 09:29:02 AMQuote from: toby47 on May 01, 2025, 02:33:34 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on May 01, 2025, 01:48:44 PMQuote from: flowerpot on May 01, 2025, 01:09:45 PMWas on politics live on the BBC yesterday - Tory man going mental.
It's all about distraction.
It's counter productive though , as anyone who hadn't heard of Kneecap before , will have done so now. Out of curiosity if nothing else.
And a lot of people will now be aware of Kneecap 's views on the genocide in Gaza. And other musicians rowing in behind them , should amplify the message.
Sadly though , the slaughter will continue .
They have gone from 485k to 607k followers on instagram.
THE number of people listening to Kneecap has soared in the past week and the band have entered the charts for the first time in several countries.
Following ten days of hostile stories about the rappers, their popularity continues to grow across the world as they win over legions of new fans.
This week, Kneecap's album 'Fine Art' entered the iTunes chart in Italy, Brazil and Germany for the first time. Not only that but the band's monthly listeners on Spotify has also grown from 100,000 to 1.1 million.
I was reading an article this morning, they are now at 1.05million followers, more than doubled in a few months.
They announced a UK winter tour, have sold out Boucher along with The Fontaines next month, Headliner in Electric Picnic, 2 x sold out shows in 3Arena in December, in talks to headline AVA in Belfast next summer, rumours of Croke Park next year with The Wolfe Tones.
They are striking whilst the iron is hot anyway.
Ok, I'm a fan and an looking forward to the Boucher Road gigs, but I'd love to know where these particular rumours come from ;D
Quote from: toby47 on July 16, 2025, 09:29:02 AMQuote from: toby47 on May 01, 2025, 02:33:34 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on May 01, 2025, 01:48:44 PMQuote from: flowerpot on May 01, 2025, 01:09:45 PMWas on politics live on the BBC yesterday - Tory man going mental.
It's all about distraction.
It's counter productive though , as anyone who hadn't heard of Kneecap before , will have done so now. Out of curiosity if nothing else.
And a lot of people will now be aware of Kneecap 's views on the genocide in Gaza. And other musicians rowing in behind them , should amplify the message.
Sadly though , the slaughter will continue .
They have gone from 485k to 607k followers on instagram.
THE number of people listening to Kneecap has soared in the past week and the band have entered the charts for the first time in several countries.
Following ten days of hostile stories about the rappers, their popularity continues to grow across the world as they win over legions of new fans.
This week, Kneecap's album 'Fine Art' entered the iTunes chart in Italy, Brazil and Germany for the first time. Not only that but the band's monthly listeners on Spotify has also grown from 100,000 to 1.1 million.
I was reading an article this morning, they are now at 1.05million followers, more than doubled in a few months.
They announced a UK winter tour, have sold out Boucher along with The Fontaines next month, Headliner in Electric Picnic, 2 x sold out shows in 3Arena in December, in talks to headline AVA in Belfast next summer, rumours of Croke Park next year with The Wolfe Tones.
They are striking whilst the iron is hot anyway.
These lads are a joke.
How many times have they retired now?
Quote from: toby47 on July 16, 2025, 09:29:02 AMThey have gone from 485k to 607k followers on instagram.
122k people the algorithm can now profile across the metaverse, in doing so you will be sent targeted marketing ads for things you might be interested to buy, and also removed from targeted ads for right-leaning individuals, like how left and right leaning users saw two completely different sets of spam during Brexit, ramping up division in one cohort and disarming another - very very difficult not to be a sheep in this day and age
Quote from: David McKeown on June 20, 2025, 05:06:37 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 20, 2025, 11:56:55 AMQuote from: David McKeown on June 19, 2025, 09:19:08 AMQuote from: johnnycool on June 19, 2025, 08:31:05 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on June 19, 2025, 08:14:37 AMMy point stands:
1. Israel tries to equate any criticism of them as support of Hamas.
2. Kneecap shouting 'Up Hamas' gives Israel an open goal.
It's simple and irrefutable.
Mo Chara left himself open to this by what he shouted and will be used to build the case that he supports a proscribed organisation but make no bones about this the spotlight was shone on them after the Coachella thing in the US.
It looks like the defence are questioning whether the court have jurisdiction on this matter, anyone shed any light on that for us less well informed in the legal gymnastics at play?
Yes although I think the reporting must be wrong. Either that or I can't read a calendar. The reporting suggesting the issue is one of the case being what's called statute barred.
This offence is what's known as a summary offence meaning it can only be heard in the Magistrates Court. It can not be heard in the Crown Court. Most summary offences (including this one) must be commenced within 6 months. Proceedings are commenced when a complaint is made to a lay magistrate not when a summons is issued. The complained of offence occurred in November. The proceedings don't seem to have been commenced until May. I can't remember the specific dates of either of those but a google suggests the CPS laid the complaint in time (just).
Is the English 6 months thing similar to this bit in Irish law that relates to time between offence and summons?
'Generally speaking, a summons must issue within 6 months of the offence if it is to be dealt with by summary disposal'
https://www.michaelstaines.ie/what-to-do-when-you-receive-a-summons
Yes it steams from pre partition. Been a bit of a divergence over the last century but not much.
I understand that the dates may have been reported incorrectly in the press and the charges are likely statute barred
Going to the gig next week where they are supporting the Fontaines. Can someone tell me what the fuss is with the fontaines. Tried to listen a couple of times but I just don't get it. Maybe they are better live??
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 18, 2025, 08:02:02 PMGoing to the gig next week where they are supporting the Fontaines. Can someone tell me what the fuss is with the fontaines. Tried to listen a couple of times but I just don't get it. Maybe they are better live??
I think Fontaines are brilliant. Their lead singer is in one of Kneecap's tracks.
Quote from: general_lee on August 19, 2025, 10:46:33 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on August 18, 2025, 08:02:02 PMGoing to the gig next week where they are supporting the Fontaines. Can someone tell me what the fuss is with the fontaines. Tried to listen a couple of times but I just don't get it. Maybe they are better live??
I think Fontaines are brilliant. Their lead singer is in one of Kneecap's tracks.
I too didnt get the fuss but I let their songs play for a wee while to see if they grew on me. They certainly did. They're brilliant.
Love Fontaines, give me them over Kneecap any day.
Quote from: lurganblue on August 19, 2025, 10:56:14 AMQuote from: general_lee on August 19, 2025, 10:46:33 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on August 18, 2025, 08:02:02 PMGoing to the gig next week where they are supporting the Fontaines. Can someone tell me what the fuss is with the fontaines. Tried to listen a couple of times but I just don't get it. Maybe they are better live??
I think Fontaines are brilliant. Their lead singer is in one of Kneecap's tracks.
I too didnt get the fuss but I let their songs play for a wee while to see if they grew on me. They certainly did. They're brilliant.
I will give them another go. Cheers lads
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c939v4kw2l4o
bailed until 26 September
Mary Wallopers pulled of stage and PA turned off at festival in UK according to Kneecap, for saying free Palestine 🇵🇸
Anyone looking a ticket for Friday night in Belfast? Face value obviously.
EDIT - gone.
Belfast is absolutely pumping for this gig tonight. Lost count of the number of Ireland and Bohemians tops I saw floating around the Lisburn road earlier.
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/we-owe-career-dup-kneecap-32379062?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZnRzaAMe5PxleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHhfVxUJeC9gS_up-Jh_OwRBvqMIOAxqNLzA85QQLUnzy4y1zn_0g9TwlzMcO_aem_KEPJxeue1u0ssjGINGjADA#Echobox=1756495547
Class
Quote from: gallsman on August 29, 2025, 04:52:34 PMBelfast is absolutely pumping for this gig tonight. Lost count of the number of Ireland and Bohemians tops I saw floating around the Lisburn road earlier.
Walking up Boucher, passed the Windsor way, it was strange to see all the Celtic/Ireland/GAA tops
Good fun. Sound was dreadful. Apparently it was crap for CMAT and Sam Fender last night as well. Just not a great natural venue really at all from an acoustic perspective.
Stayed quite far back so maybe simply not close enough but it all seemed a bit tamer than I expected. Nothing remotely controversial or different from any of their recent gigs but I see Jamie Bryson has already been complaining about Mo Chara calling the DUP "simple c***ts".
Quote from: gallsman on August 29, 2025, 10:44:06 PMGood fun. Sound was dreadful. Apparently it was crap for CMAT and Sam Fender last night as well. Just not a great natural venue really at all from an acoustic perspective.
Stayed quite far back so maybe simply not close enough but it all seemed a bit tamer than I expected. Nothing remotely controversial or different from any of their recent gigs but I see Jamie Bryson has already been complaining about Mo Chara calling the DUP "simple c***ts".
If he's complaining they're doing something right.
Yeah i was on the train into Belfast this evening myself. Some buzz. Some amount of Fontaines t shirts about. Who was the headline out of curiosity
Quote from: lurganblue on August 30, 2025, 12:00:03 AMYeah i was on the train into Belfast this evening myself. Some buzz. Some amount of Fontaines t shirts about. Who was the headline out of curiosity
Fontaines DC
Daughter was working the bar, said kneecap were (musically) awful, just screaming.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 30, 2025, 12:48:41 AMDaughter was working the bar, said kneecap were (musically) awful, just screaming.
Daughter is wrong
I would say their music is about 40% of the reason people go and see them.
I mean they wouldn't be half as well known or successful without the Palestine stuff and the court cases.
Fair play to them
Don't think that's true at all. It's obviously been massive the last 4 or 5 months but they've been playing to bigger and bigger crowds for the last few years and sold out the Odyssey, invited to Coachella etc before there was so much as a hint of manufactured controversy over Palestine.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 30, 2025, 08:05:07 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on August 30, 2025, 06:10:20 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on August 30, 2025, 12:48:41 AMDaughter was working the bar, said kneecap were (musically) awful, just screaming.
Daughter is wrong
Ok
My post was a bit abrupt wasn't it. She's entitled to her opinion but screaming it is not. If she wants screaming direct her Panteras great southern trend kill album. Plenty on there. Kneecap can be quite shouty but that's the style
Had to pick the daughter up from the Lisburn Road last night, up around the Bowery area around 11pm and as someone who was a student living in that area, well further down nearer the RUC and fire station and on the night of the infamous World cup qualifier in Windsor you would have taken your life into your own hands wearing anything remotely Irish or nationalist in nature anywhere near here.
Times are most definitely changing.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 30, 2025, 01:00:26 PMHad to pick the daughter up from the Lisburn Road last night, up around the Bowery area around 11pm and as someone who was a student living in that area, well further down nearer the RUC and fire station and on the night of the infamous World cup qualifier in Windsor you would have taken your life into your own hands wearing anything remotely Irish or nationalist in nature anywhere near here.
Times are most definitely changing.
Good to see. For everyone born with less hate, there is someone dying with some form of baggage. A great replacement.
Quote from: johnnycool on August 30, 2025, 01:00:26 PMHad to pick the daughter up from the Lisburn Road last night, up around the Bowery area around 11pm and as someone who was a student living in that area, well further down nearer the RUC and fire station and on the night of the infamous World cup qualifier in Windsor you would have taken your life into your own hands wearing anything remotely Irish or nationalist in nature anywhere near here.
Times are most definitely changing.
Even on an average day any time I've been home over the last ten years or so it's been mad. St. Brigid's and Antrim and Down tops everywhere, as well as the smattering of other GAA tops. Certainly once you go past, say the Tesco, it changes quite a bit and I'd still not walk down Tates Avenue in one any time soon ;D
Yesterday was truly exceptional though.
Quote from: gallsman on August 30, 2025, 01:19:31 PMQuote from: johnnycool on August 30, 2025, 01:00:26 PMHad to pick the daughter up from the Lisburn Road last night, up around the Bowery area around 11pm and as someone who was a student living in that area, well further down nearer the RUC and fire station and on the night of the infamous World cup qualifier in Windsor you would have taken your life into your own hands wearing anything remotely Irish or nationalist in nature anywhere near here.
Times are most definitely changing.
Even on an average day any time I've been home over the last ten years or so it's been mad. St. Brigid's and Antrim and Down tops everywhere, as well as the smattering of other GAA tops. Certainly once you go past, say the Tesco, it changes quite a bit and I'd still not walk down Tates Avenue in one any time soon ;D
Yesterday was truly exceptional though.
World is changing. I live up the Antrim Road and travel it and the Shore Road all the time. The amount of times I've seen GAA tops along the Shore Road down near the Grove is unreal and as has been said you wouldn't have imagined that 20 years ago.
More surprisingly though was last week down at the New Lodge, 2 lads walking along past McLaughlins in Rangers tops and stopped to talk to 2 other lads. World absolutely changing
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 30, 2025, 12:12:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on August 30, 2025, 08:05:07 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on August 30, 2025, 06:10:20 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on August 30, 2025, 12:48:41 AMDaughter was working the bar, said kneecap were (musically) awful, just screaming.
Daughter is wrong
Ok
My post was a bit abrupt wasn't it. She's entitled to her opinion but screaming it is not. If she wants screaming direct her Panteras great southern trend kill album. Plenty on there. Kneecap can be quite shouty but that's the style
Were you at the gig? If not you can't comment as his post referred specifically the gig last night, not their general output.
The sound was truly brutal last night and the mics especially were dreadful. As a result the lads were clearly trying harder than ever to get some volume and energy into the set. I don't know if "screaming" is the right term but for sure it wasn't as polished as they've tried to become.
Wasn't at the gig but Mrs was and had videos. Would agree with Gallsman as to the quality of the sound. They were having to be a bit 'shouty' but that's par for the course in a lot of outdoor gigs. They are hugely talented and that's for certain
Was at it myself. Had to move after 5 songs as sound was brutal, words were really muffled and volume kept going up and down. Stayed in front of the big speakers half way back after that and improved loads.
Went to see kneecap but fontaines DC showed why they were headliner. A step above in terms of tunes and performance imo. Will go see them again for definite.
Despite some people's proud ignorance, Fontaines DC are one of the biggest "new" or "young" bands on the planet. There's no pretending otherwise. They're terrific. "Proper" rock stars who are still getting better and better.
Quote from: gallsman on August 30, 2025, 01:24:59 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on August 30, 2025, 12:12:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on August 30, 2025, 08:05:07 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on August 30, 2025, 06:10:20 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on August 30, 2025, 12:48:41 AMDaughter was working the bar, said kneecap were (musically) awful, just screaming.
Daughter is wrong
Ok
My post was a bit abrupt wasn't it. She's entitled to her opinion but screaming it is not. If she wants screaming direct her Panteras great southern trend kill album. Plenty on there. Kneecap can be quite shouty but that's the style
Were you at the gig? If not you can't comment as his post referred specifically the gig last night, not their general output.
The sound was truly brutal last night and the mics especially were dreadful. As a result the lads were clearly trying harder than ever to get some volume and energy into the set. I don't know if "screaming" is the right term but for sure it wasn't as polished as they've tried to become.
Was indeed and thoroughly enjoyed it despite the sound issues. 3rd time seeing them and every time has been superb. I wouldn't have classed Amat night as screaming but then I generally listen to metal so what do I know.
Quote from: gallsman on August 30, 2025, 02:54:49 PMDespite some people's proud ignorance, Fontaines DC are one of the biggest "new" or "young" bands on the planet. There's no pretending otherwise. They're terrific. "Proper" rock stars who are still getting better and better.
I left after a few songs of theirs. Nothing to do with them. As someone who 'didn't get them' I wanted to give to a chance (that sounds a bit stuck up but you know what I mean. Bands can be very different live than on record) but my back was in agony so needed to go. Liked what I heard from them tho
Heard from few people the sound quality was awful, (not the fault of the performers)
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 30, 2025, 06:24:44 PMHeard from few people the sound quality was awful, (not the fault of the performers)
#1 son was at it and said the sound was fine where he was on the right hand side facing the stage, but he had a group of mates over on the left and they said the sound was crap over there.
I was to the right of the stage and the sound was ok. A bit up and down. More up than down tho.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 30, 2025, 01:23:05 PMQuote from: gallsman on August 30, 2025, 01:19:31 PMQuote from: johnnycool on August 30, 2025, 01:00:26 PMHad to pick the daughter up from the Lisburn Road last night, up around the Bowery area around 11pm and as someone who was a student living in that area, well further down nearer the RUC and fire station and on the night of the infamous World cup qualifier in Windsor you would have taken your life into your own hands wearing anything remotely Irish or nationalist in nature anywhere near here.
Times are most definitely changing.
Even on an average day any time I've been home over the last ten years or so it's been mad. St. Brigid's and Antrim and Down tops everywhere, as well as the smattering of other GAA tops. Certainly once you go past, say the Tesco, it changes quite a bit and I'd still not walk down Tates Avenue in one any time soon ;D
Yesterday was truly exceptional though.
World is changing. I live up the Antrim Road and travel it and the Shore Road all the time. The amount of times I've seen GAA tops along the Shore Road down near the Grove is unreal and as has been said you wouldn't have imagined that 20 years ago.
More surprisingly though was last week down at the New Lodge, 2 lads walking along past McLaughlins in Rangers tops and stopped to talk to 2 other lads. World absolutely changing
Will have to keep an eye for ye walking round the waterworks haha
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 30, 2025, 06:36:36 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 30, 2025, 06:24:44 PMHeard from few people the sound quality was awful, (not the fault of the performers)
#1 son was at it and said the sound was fine where he was on the right hand side facing the stage, but he had a group of mates over on the left and they said the sound was crap over there.
Yeah thats what I heard as well, shame.
Some turnout at EP for them too
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 30, 2025, 07:06:34 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 30, 2025, 01:23:05 PMQuote from: gallsman on August 30, 2025, 01:19:31 PMQuote from: johnnycool on August 30, 2025, 01:00:26 PMHad to pick the daughter up from the Lisburn Road last night, up around the Bowery area around 11pm and as someone who was a student living in that area, well further down nearer the RUC and fire station and on the night of the infamous World cup qualifier in Windsor you would have taken your life into your own hands wearing anything remotely Irish or nationalist in nature anywhere near here.
Times are most definitely changing.
Even on an average day any time I've been home over the last ten years or so it's been mad. St. Brigid's and Antrim and Down tops everywhere, as well as the smattering of other GAA tops. Certainly once you go past, say the Tesco, it changes quite a bit and I'd still not walk down Tates Avenue in one any time soon ;D
Yesterday was truly exceptional though.
World is changing. I live up the Antrim Road and travel it and the Shore Road all the time. The amount of times I've seen GAA tops along the Shore Road down near the Grove is unreal and as has been said you wouldn't have imagined that 20 years ago.
More surprisingly though was last week down at the New Lodge, 2 lads walking along past McLaughlins in Rangers tops and stopped to talk to 2 other lads. World absolutely changing
Will have to keep an eye for ye walking round the waterworks haha
Have you not seen me plodding my fat hole round it thinking I can run? As likely to see me in Cassidys!!
There were apparently a number of "turn it up" chants right in the middle.
Barred from entering Canada next month for 4 shows
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 19, 2025, 04:12:50 PMBarred from entering Canada next month for 4 shows
Including Canadian government spokesman accusing Kneecap of "displaying hate symbols that directly target the Jewish community". That old antisemitic trope to justify a genocide, that many Jewish people are appaled by.
Canada not so strong and independent after all... in the Zionist pocket.
UN officially call it a genocide, Kneecap supporting the oppressed and yet Canada bar them even at this stage.. Grow a set ffs
Politicians are wankers. The Canadians are a decent bunch who would oppose genocide as well.
Mo Chara is a free man! 8) Charge dropped. What a shower of idiots running the British police & prosecution service.
Quote from: Truthsayer on September 26, 2025, 10:57:22 AMMo Chara is a free man! 8) Charge dropped. What a shower of idiots running the British police & prosecution service.
Cue Unionist outrage in 3, 2, 1.....
Quote from: Truthsayer on September 26, 2025, 10:57:22 AMMo Chara is a free man! 8) Charge dropped. What a shower of idiots running the British police & prosecution service.
Excellent news.
Brits can't stop making a show of themselves.
Now, for foreign governments to give them their visas.
I don't really like them at all, think they're a bit of dose, but this is very funny.
Quote from: Truthsayer on September 26, 2025, 10:57:22 AMMo Chara is a free man! 8) Charge dropped. What a shower of idiots running the British police & prosecution service.
brilliant
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 26, 2025, 11:07:07 AMI don't really like them at all, think they're a bit of dose, but this is very funny.
I agree. I'd also like to add
YEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOO
Quote from: David McKeown on June 20, 2025, 05:06:37 PMQuote from: Main Street on June 20, 2025, 11:56:55 AMQuote from: David McKeown on June 19, 2025, 09:19:08 AMQuote from: johnnycool on June 19, 2025, 08:31:05 AMQuote from: Banks of the Bann on June 19, 2025, 08:14:37 AMMy point stands:
1. Israel tries to equate any criticism of them as support of Hamas.
2. Kneecap shouting 'Up Hamas' gives Israel an open goal.
It's simple and irrefutable.
Mo Chara left himself open to this by what he shouted and will be used to build the case that he supports a proscribed organisation but make no bones about this the spotlight was shone on them after the Coachella thing in the US.
It looks like the defence are questioning whether the court have jurisdiction on this matter, anyone shed any light on that for us less well informed in the legal gymnastics at play?
Yes although I think the reporting must be wrong. Either that or I can't read a calendar. The reporting suggesting the issue is one of the case being what's called statute barred.
This offence is what's known as a summary offence meaning it can only be heard in the Magistrates Court. It can not be heard in the Crown Court. Most summary offences (including this one) must be commenced within 6 months. Proceedings are commenced when a complaint is made to a lay magistrate not when a summons is issued. The complained of offence occurred in November. The proceedings don't seem to have been commenced until May. I can't remember the specific dates of either of those but a google suggests the CPS laid the complaint in time (just).
Is the English 6 months thing similar to this bit in Irish law that relates to time between offence and summons?
'Generally speaking, a summons must issue within 6 months of the offence if it is to be dealt with by summary disposal'
https://www.michaelstaines.ie/what-to-do-when-you-receive-a-summons
Yes it steams from pre partition. Been a bit of a divergence over the last century but not much.
In my own defence here the reporting was incorrect at the time. It was a more nuanced point. The CPS lead the charges in time but without the requisite authority to lay. They got that authority and relaid them out of time. Hence my calendar confusion.
... At the start of the hearing, O hAnnaidh stood to confirm his name, date of birth and current address, speaking in Irish with his words translated by an interpreter. The judge then summarised his judgement for the court ...
Frankly that is f**king legendary, think of the historical context where native Irish speakers were sentenced and charged without being able to understand the charges against them or offer a defence because the charges delivered on Irish soil by English judges were spoken in English and the native tongue was not accounted for
The salty **** of a magistrate ... Mr Goldspring said the purpose of the hearing was not to determine O hAnnaidh's innocence or guilt, but about whether the court had jurisdiction to hear the case. Take your f**king beating lad
Quote from: tiempo on September 26, 2025, 11:29:02 AM... At the start of the hearing, O hAnnaidh stood to confirm his name, date of birth and current address, speaking in Irish with his words translated by an interpreter. The judge then summarised his judgement for the court ...
Frankly that is f**king legendary, think of the historical context where native Irish speakers were sentenced and charged without being able to understand the charges against them or offer a defence because the charges delivered on Irish soil by English judges were spoken in English and the native tongue was not accounted for
The salty **** of a magistrate ... Mr Goldspring said the purpose of the hearing was not to determine O hAnnaidh's innocence or guilt, but about whether the court had jurisdiction to hear the case. Take your f**king beating lad
A great f**king day.
Is there anypictorial evidence of this flag being diisplayed?
Good publicity it will bite if he is denied entry any country.
Quote from: Denn Forever on September 26, 2025, 11:49:51 AMIs there anypictorial evidence of this flag being diisplayed?
Good publicity it will bite if he is denied entry any country.
Yeah theres a video of him lifting it after someone threw it on stage. Big deal.
How much did all that cost the Brit taxpayers?
Not to mention all the arrests of "Palestine Action" supporters?
Quote from: tiempo on September 26, 2025, 11:29:02 AM... At the start of the hearing, O hAnnaidh stood to confirm his name, date of birth and current address, speaking in Irish with his words translated by an interpreter. The judge then summarised his judgement for the court ...
Frankly that is f**king legendary, think of the historical context where native Irish speakers were sentenced and charged without being able to understand the charges against them or offer a defence because the charges delivered on Irish soil by English judges were spoken in English and the native tongue was not accounted for
The salty **** of a magistrate ... Mr Goldspring said the purpose of the hearing was not to determine O hAnnaidh's innocence or guilt, but about whether the court had jurisdiction to hear the case. Take your f**king beating lad
You are going to have to explain that last line to me
Quote from: David McKeown on September 26, 2025, 01:07:15 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 26, 2025, 11:29:02 AM... At the start of the hearing, O hAnnaidh stood to confirm his name, date of birth and current address, speaking in Irish with his words translated by an interpreter. The judge then summarised his judgement for the court ...
Frankly that is f**king legendary, think of the historical context where native Irish speakers were sentenced and charged without being able to understand the charges against them or offer a defence because the charges delivered on Irish soil by English judges were spoken in English and the native tongue was not accounted for
The salty **** of a magistrate ... Mr Goldspring said the purpose of the hearing was not to determine O hAnnaidh's innocence or guilt, but about whether the court had jurisdiction to hear the case. Take your f**king beating lad
You are going to have to explain that last line to me
Thinking that myself David, thought the magistrate called it proper.
He was there to review the jurisdiction of the court and made his call.
So if that court hasn't jurisdiction, then can the Met go to another court which may have jurisdiction or is that a stupid question from the uninformed?
Quote from: tiempo on September 26, 2025, 11:29:02 AMThe salty **** of a magistrate ... Mr Goldspring said the purpose of the hearing was not to determine O hAnnaidh's innocence or guilt, but about whether the court had jurisdiction to hear the case. Take your f**king beating lad
Are you thick? Or just a child?
You ok hon?
Can't even get that right. I'll go with "thick" but happy to be proved wrong.
Quote from: johnnycool on September 26, 2025, 01:33:11 PMSo if that court hasn't jurisdiction, then can the Met go to another court which may have jurisdiction or is that a stupid question from the uninformed?
The Crown prosecution service can appeal this decision but I don't think they will.
Quote from: naka on September 26, 2025, 02:31:37 PMQuote from: johnnycool on September 26, 2025, 01:33:11 PMSo if that court hasn't jurisdiction, then can the Met go to another court which may have jurisdiction or is that a stupid question from the uninformed?
The Crown prosecution service can appeal this decision but I don't think they will.
Suspect it would be a massive own goal if they went a second time for them. This has backfired badly on them and any further court exposure will only be to the benefit of Kneecap and the Gaza campaign supporters.
Fair play to them and fair play to Phoenix. Huge result
Quote from: naka on September 26, 2025, 02:31:37 PMQuote from: johnnycool on September 26, 2025, 01:33:11 PMSo if that court hasn't jurisdiction, then can the Met go to another court which may have jurisdiction or is that a stupid question from the uninformed?
The Crown prosecution service can appeal this decision but I don't think they will.
Not an appeal as such but similar. Much more common in England and Wales than it is over here so they may go down that route.
Well done to the solicitors and barristers instructed in the case and to Phoenix for their involvement as well.
Quote from: johnnycool on September 26, 2025, 01:33:11 PMSo if that court hasn't jurisdiction, then can the Met go to another court which may have jurisdiction or is that a stupid question from the uninformed?
Not a stupid question. Short answer is no. These types of offences have to be dealt with in the Magistrates Court. The magistrates court though is what's called a creature of statute. In other words for it to be able to deal with cases they must be presented to the court in a manner compliant with statute. The Magistrate (who I think was legally qualified in this case) has ruled that wasn't done therefore he can't hear the case.
CPS appealing the decision. You'd have thought they wouldn't want the hassle of it.
Orders from their Zionist overlords no doubt!
Quote from: gallsman on October 07, 2025, 05:01:02 PMCPS appealing the decision. You'd have thought they wouldn't want the hassle of it.
To be fair it's much more to do with establishing a point of law rather than looking to nail O'Hannidh. AFAIK it's not a new law so it's strange the interpretation has not been established before now.
Whilst I wouldn't at all like that the Kneecap lad run the risk of being tagged a terrorist fellow-traveler and all that entails but I'd have a strong curiosity as to how this case would pan out in court with a legal 'dream team' taking on a censorious establishment wielding a repressive legal tool of inverse political wokeness against a form of expression made on stage by an artist in the context of a serious humanitarian cause that just happens to clash with the government's 'greater' agenda.
Quote from: trileacman on October 07, 2025, 09:20:05 PMQuote from: gallsman on October 07, 2025, 05:01:02 PMCPS appealing the decision. You'd have thought they wouldn't want the hassle of it.
To be fair it's much more to do with establishing a point of law rather than looking to nail O'Hannidh. AFAIK it's not a new law so it's strange the interpretation has not been established before now.
It's not as strange as you'd think it might be. Often technical matters might be decided at first instance but if they are the judgements are not binding and it often takes a high profile case to set the precedent. That's because higher profile cases tend to be appealed more often for a plethora of reasons.
Quote from: Main Street on October 08, 2025, 01:43:04 AMWhilst I wouldn't at all like that the Kneecap lad run the risk of being tagged a terrorist fellow-traveler and all that entails but I'd have a strong curiosity as to how this case would pan out in court with a legal 'dream team' taking on a censorious establishment wielding a repressive legal tool of inverse political wokeness against a form of expression made on stage by an artist in the context of a serious humanitarian cause that just happens to clash with the government's 'greater' agenda.
It does strike me as a case with the potential to go very far but take years to resolve.
Quote from: David McKeown on October 08, 2025, 07:02:06 AMQuote from: Main Street on October 08, 2025, 01:43:04 AMWhilst I wouldn't at all like that the Kneecap lad run the risk of being tagged a terrorist fellow-traveler and all that entails but I'd have a strong curiosity as to how this case would pan out in court with a legal 'dream team' taking on a censorious establishment wielding a repressive legal tool of inverse political wokeness against a form of expression made on stage by an artist in the context of a serious humanitarian cause that just happens to clash with the government's 'greater' agenda.
It does strike me as a case with the potential to go very far but take years to resolve.
Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of the law and nuance around arts, do you think *legally* he is guilty? Or at least in potential trouble?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 09, 2025, 11:50:12 PMQuote from: David McKeown on October 08, 2025, 07:02:06 AMQuote from: Main Street on October 08, 2025, 01:43:04 AMWhilst I wouldn't at all like that the Kneecap lad run the risk of being tagged a terrorist fellow-traveler and all that entails but I'd have a strong curiosity as to how this case would pan out in court with a legal 'dream team' taking on a censorious establishment wielding a repressive legal tool of inverse political wokeness against a form of expression made on stage by an artist in the context of a serious humanitarian cause that just happens to clash with the government's 'greater' agenda.
It does strike me as a case with the potential to go very far but take years to resolve.
Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of the law and nuance around arts, do you think *legally* he is guilty? Or at least in potential trouble?
Who legally defines a certain group as terrorists if that certain group, under international law, was formed to defend themselves from an invading country(no prizes for working out which cuntry)?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 09, 2025, 11:50:12 PMQuote from: David McKeown on October 08, 2025, 07:02:06 AMQuote from: Main Street on October 08, 2025, 01:43:04 AMWhilst I wouldn't at all like that the Kneecap lad run the risk of being tagged a terrorist fellow-traveler and all that entails but I'd have a strong curiosity as to how this case would pan out in court with a legal 'dream team' taking on a censorious establishment wielding a repressive legal tool of inverse political wokeness against a form of expression made on stage by an artist in the context of a serious humanitarian cause that just happens to clash with the government's 'greater' agenda.
It does strike me as a case with the potential to go very far but take years to resolve.
Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of the law and nuance around arts, do you think *legally* he is guilty? Or at least in potential trouble?
I don't know enough about the case to be honest. It is a quite well developed area of the law because it has to balance the right to freedom of expression against what the law deems hate speech. I wouldn't like to call it at this stage. I would think a dismissal on a technicality might suit all sides
Quote from: JoG2 on October 10, 2025, 12:00:43 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 09, 2025, 11:50:12 PMQuote from: David McKeown on October 08, 2025, 07:02:06 AMQuote from: Main Street on October 08, 2025, 01:43:04 AMWhilst I wouldn't at all like that the Kneecap lad run the risk of being tagged a terrorist fellow-traveler and all that entails but I'd have a strong curiosity as to how this case would pan out in court with a legal 'dream team' taking on a censorious establishment wielding a repressive legal tool of inverse political wokeness against a form of expression made on stage by an artist in the context of a serious humanitarian cause that just happens to clash with the government's 'greater' agenda.
It does strike me as a case with the potential to go very far but take years to resolve.
Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of the law and nuance around arts, do you think *legally* he is guilty? Or at least in potential trouble?
Who legally defines a certain group as terrorists if that certain group, under international law, was formed to defend themselves from an invading country(no prizes for working out which cuntry)?
For the purposes of this question, the British state.
The case is a good reminder of the confident stupidity of many people. Would pay good money to see them have a discussion with the many brilliant lebanese Christians ex pats.