Opening round of games for the Premier League 2024/25.
Wonder will Slot love the 12.30 kick off time as much as Klopp did?
Friday, 16 August
Manchester United v Fulham (20:00)
Saturday, 17 August
Ipswich Town v Liverpool (12:30)
Arsenal v Wolverhampton (15:00)
Everton v Brighton (15:00)
Newcastle United v Southampton (15:00)
Nottingham Forest v Bournemouth (15:00)
West Ham United v Aston Villa (17:30)
Sunday, 18 August
Brentford v Crystal Palace (14:00)
Chelsea v Manchester City (16:30)
Monday, 19 August
Leicester City v Tottenham (20:00)
Season not even started and Chelsea in abit of a mess due to Fernandez activity on social media which has caused offence among the french con tingent.Some people are ridiculously stupid at what stage did he not think i play with french lads and they may get offended.Not what the new manager needed.
Quote from: statto on July 17, 2024, 11:30:42 AMSeason not even started and Chelsea in abit of a mess due to Fernandez activity on social media which has caused offence among the french con tingent.Some people are ridiculously stupid at what stage did he not think i play with french lads and they may get offended.Not what the new manager needed.
You'd wonder about the mentality of the people who brought that song into the group. Most of them play with big European clubs with French colleagues, including of African descent. WTF were they thinking? And what have they got against the French that that would dominate their thoughts after winning the Copa??
Coincidentally I read an article recently about the 'whitening of Argentina'. In the 1800s and before they had a very similar racial make up as Brazil - 35%+ of African ancestry.
What were the lyrics? The articles I read wouldn't say.
Something about the France team actually all being African? Don't think it was anything that wasn't true but very random Argentina singing it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 17, 2024, 09:22:15 PMSomething about the France team actually all being African? Don't think it was anything that wasn't true but very random Argentina singing it.
They are basically saying all the french players are born in an African Country, But have a french Passport. No worse than the days Billy Bingham called the Irish team Mercenaries.
Telling no lies lol
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 17, 2024, 09:28:06 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 17, 2024, 09:22:15 PMSomething about the France team actually all being African? Don't think it was anything that wasn't true but very random Argentina singing it.
They are basically saying all the french players are born in an African Country, But have a french Passport. No worse than the days Billy Bingham called the Irish team Mercenaries.
Eh? But that's not the case for the vast majority of the French players. They are French of African descent
The chant that has caused uproar suggested that French players of African and Caribbean descent aren't French, with the lyrics: "Listen, spread the word, they play in France, but they are all from Angola, they are going to run well, they like to sleep with trans people, their mum is Nigerian, their dad is Cameroonian, but on the passport it says: French", reports the Mirror.
Enzo only sung the bit in bold before cutting the video.
I heard Rodri was singing some song like 'Gibraltar is Spanish'. That should go down well when he goes back to City ;D
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 17, 2024, 10:50:06 PMI heard Rodri was singing some song like 'Gibraltar is Spanish'. That should go down well when he goes back to City ;D
Arlene Foster wasn't happy at one ;D
Quote from: square_ball on July 17, 2024, 11:08:09 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on July 17, 2024, 10:50:06 PMI heard Rodri was singing some song like 'Gibraltar is Spanish'. That should go down well when he goes back to City ;D
Arlene Foster wasn't happy at one ;D
Wait till she hears about Paul McCartney;
Another potential deal to buy Everton collapses.
Are they going to survive?
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5646876/2024/07/19/everton-takeover-friedkin-group-latest/ (https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5646876/2024/07/19/everton-takeover-friedkin-group-latest/)
Quote from: J70 on July 19, 2024, 12:52:28 PMAnother potential deal to buy Everton collapses.
Are they going to survive?
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5646876/2024/07/19/everton-takeover-friedkin-group-latest/ (https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5646876/2024/07/19/everton-takeover-friedkin-group-latest/)
Looking dodgy. Administration looms large.
If Everton collapse, what happens to their new stadium?
Utd getting some business done early. I dont know much about Yoro but it looks like Utd have overpaid for a lad with 1 year left on his deal, to fend off the sniffing Madrid. Utd do like to overpay though... time will tell on that one. It does look like the overhaul is underway.
Very hard to predict the league this year isnt it. Obviously City will be in the top 2 (barring all the charges actually sticking). Liverpool - new manager, hard to know how that will go. Arsenal - need striker to give top spot a good rattle IMO. Villa - lost Luiz, and will need to strengthen in certain areas to play CL and PL football. Will Chelsea be as much of a shambles again. Will Utd be as much of a shambles again. Will spurs continue to be spursy.
Why was this kid united signed for a whopping £50m not at the Euros?
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 19, 2024, 02:13:58 PMWhy was this kid united signed for a whopping £50m not at the Euros?
I'm sure he'll surface at the Olympics
Utd taxed yet again
The player is out of contract next summer, surely there were conversations to be had at £20-30-40m and a get te fk at £50m, but they just insist on having their pants pulled down
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 19, 2024, 02:13:58 PMWhy was this kid united signed for a whopping £50m not at the Euros?
Fair enough point I suppose. Everton were looking £70m odd for one who got left out by England. Madness the whole thing.
Quote from: lurganblue on July 19, 2024, 01:36:09 PMUtd getting some business done early. I dont know much about Yoro but it looks like Utd have overpaid for a lad with 1 year left on his deal, to fend off the sniffing Madrid. Utd do like to overpay though... time will tell on that one. It does look like the overhaul is underway.
Very hard to predict the league this year isnt it. Obviously City will be in the top 2 (barring all the charges actually sticking). Liverpool - new manager, hard to know how that will go. Arsenal - need striker to give top spot a good rattle IMO. Villa - lost Luiz, and will need to strengthen in certain areas to play CL and PL football. Will Chelsea be as much of a shambles again. Will Utd be as much of a shambles again. Will spurs continue to be spursy.
From an LFC fan perspective, at this point, with no clue what to expect under a new man, I'd be delighted with top 4.
BBC Sport pundits pick their top four
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/afa3/live/79430290-5b0a-11ef-8f0f-0577398c3339.jpg.webp)
Sidwell said utd would finish 2nd last year as well ;D
I think it's City, Arsenal, Spurs, United.
Newcastle's squad isn't deep enough. Villa likewise.
Chelsea are chaos. Liverpool will have a Klopp hangover.
City are 10/1 to be relegated.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 16, 2024, 09:37:27 AMCity are 10/1 to be relegated.
https://www.oddschecker.com/insight/football/20240812-man-city-relegation-odds-city-more-likely-to-go-down-than-west-ham-or-brighton
According to The Times, the hearing is set to begin in September unless there are any further legal delays. It is expected to last 10 weeks before the commission is ready to deliver a verdict at the start of 2025
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 16, 2024, 09:37:27 AMCity are 10/1 to be relegated.
Maybe the owners should consider a punt on that?
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 16, 2024, 08:51:38 AMI think it's City, Arsenal, Spurs, United.
Newcastle's squad isn't deep enough. Villa likewise.
Chelsea are chaos. Liverpool will have a Klopp hangover.
No europe for Newcastle would give them a shout for fourth. Klopp hangover or not I would hope Liverpool be in a better position to get fourth than United or Spurs.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 19, 2024, 01:35:46 PMIf Everton collapse, what happens to their new stadium?
Not a great start for them today.
Bein sports on the firestick here for 5 mins. Richard Keys and Gray still working away....couple of minutes of Keys, christ but he is insufferable
This could also go into the WTF thread.
https://x.com/tekkersfoot/status/1824836025929310688
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 17, 2024, 05:12:22 PMThis could also go into the WTF thread.
https://x.com/tekkersfoot/status/1824836025929310688
The staple of every dorty corner back in Ireland lol
Jenas fired by BBC, mightent be a bad season after all 😎
Anyone know what he did?
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 22, 2024, 04:11:46 PMJenas fired by BBC, mightent be a bad season after all 😎
How he lasted so long on TV is a mystery......
Quote from: gawa316 on August 22, 2024, 04:26:13 PMAnyone know what he did?
"Inappropriate behaviour"
Tho he should have been shot not fired for his "coin coin coin" video
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 22, 2024, 04:11:46 PMJenas fired by BBC, mightent be a bad season after all 😎
Woooooohhhhhhooooooooooo!!!!!!
Best bit of news I've had in a while. An absolute dose. More character in a cardboard box
I did notice recently though he was nowhere to be seen on that One show and on MOTD. He had been noticeably dropped from a lot of the bbc's Euro coverage. He was never off it in previous tournaments, getting co-comms on World Cup finals and the likes , which was absolutely baffling.
Now I can enjoy motd knowing his mug won't be on it no more. Thank feck!!!
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 22, 2024, 04:37:19 PMQuote from: gawa316 on August 22, 2024, 04:26:13 PMAnyone know what he did?
"Inappropriate behaviour"
Tho he should have been shot not fired for his "coin coin coin" video
What was that about?
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 22, 2024, 04:56:58 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 22, 2024, 04:37:19 PMQuote from: gawa316 on August 22, 2024, 04:26:13 PMAnyone know what he did?
"Inappropriate behaviour"
Tho he should have been shot not fired for his "coin coin coin" video
What was that about?
Search on X for it, short video him outside a pub trying to be funny, or for the banter. Failed miserably
Final Score on BBC is comedy gold.
Kelly Somers Presenting with Rachel Browne Finnes and Martin Keown on Analysis.
Talk about the two women ganging up on Keown and cutting across him.
If it was the other way around.........
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 24, 2024, 03:42:20 PMFinal Score on BBC is comedy gold.
Kelly Somers Presenting with Rachel Browne Finnes and Martin Keown on Analysis.
Talk about the two women ganging up on Keown and cutting across him.
If it was the other way around.........
We'll forgive Kelly Somers if it means she's on screen more...
Good result for Arsenal. Think their defence could win it for them
Quote from: Brendan on August 24, 2024, 03:58:33 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on August 24, 2024, 03:42:20 PMFinal Score on BBC is comedy gold.
Kelly Somers Presenting with Rachel Browne Finnes and Martin Keown on Analysis.
Talk about the two women ganging up on Keown and cutting across him.
If it was the other way around.........
We'll forgive Kelly Somers if it means she's on screen more...
Jermaine Jenas says hi.
Morgan Rogers - Looks a serious player, bullied Rice and Partey today
Nicolas Jackson leads the line for Chelsea today.
Liverpool 1-0 already. That game over.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 25, 2024, 01:20:41 PMNicolas Jackson leads the line for Chelsea today.
Four of the six goals was assisted by Cole Palmer and he scored one himself. Madueke scored a hat trick.
Quote from: Gael85 on August 25, 2024, 05:02:04 PMLiverpool 1-0 already. That game over.
Quite a good transition of manager for Liverpool
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 25, 2024, 06:00:42 PMQuote from: Gael85 on August 25, 2024, 05:02:04 PMLiverpool 1-0 already. That game over.
Quite a good transition of manager for Liverpool
There is a core squad. Many players get a fresh start. Many favourites of Klopp have to up their game. Wouldn't read much into games v Ipswich/Brentford. Next week will be his first major test in a hostile away venue.
No one likes being substituted but Trent fairly threw his toys outta the pram yesterday and Slot went up to console him!
Christ, the worlds got soft
Al Ahli getting a bargain from Brentford. Ivan Toney for 35 million. I thought he was worth more than that.
Anyone see the intruder with the ballsac on sky sports?! Deadline day never fails. Highlight of my year thus far sadly 😆
https://x.com/fscollector1985/status/1829566166433485179
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 30, 2024, 06:30:52 PMAl Ahli getting a bargain from Brentford. Ivan Toney for 35 million. I thought he was worth more than that.
Ok it looks like 40 million for Toney. Still a bargain imho.
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 30, 2024, 07:23:55 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on August 30, 2024, 06:30:52 PMAl Ahli getting a bargain from Brentford. Ivan Toney for 35 million. I thought he was worth more than that.
Ok it looks like 40 million for Toney. Still a bargain imho.
He must be getting some pay packet.
Raheem Sterling an Arsenal player Loan deal, no option to buy. And Jadon Sancho has joined Chelsea on loan with an option to buy.
Chelsea's transfer policy baffles me
Good to get one poisonous f**ker out of United anyway.
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 31, 2024, 06:13:48 AMGood to get one poisonous f**ker out of United anyway.
Was he not one of your best players last year? I found it strange but what's the story?
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 31, 2024, 12:26:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 31, 2024, 06:13:48 AMGood to get one poisonous f**ker out of United anyway.
Was he not one of your best players last year? I found it strange but what's the story?
He spent half the season at another club?
Think we getting confused between mctominay and sancho
Decent result for Brighton in the Emirates Stadium. Brighton manager is the first manager to be born after the Premier League started in 1992 and is seven years younger than Brighton midfielder James Milner.
Worst display of refereeing I've seen since Chelsea vs Barcelona
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 31, 2024, 12:26:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 31, 2024, 06:13:48 AMGood to get one poisonous f**ker out of United anyway.
Was he not one of your best players last year? I found it strange but what's the story?
Sancho. I'm sorry to see McTominay go if that's who you mean.
Everton :o
They are the gift that keeps on giving!!!
Routine 2 0 win gets their season started yes?
Hang on.......
Quote from: jcpen on August 31, 2024, 04:57:32 PMEverton :o
Every player (bar Pickford) should be docked a months wages
Neal Maupay response to leaving Everton a few days ago.
https://x.com/nealmaupay_/status/1829110516242849965
2 nil up and I thought they'd now settle into the season. Now you'd wonder. Bournemouth aren't the worst side though, so a long road ahead yet
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 31, 2024, 07:05:38 PMNeal Maupay response to leaving Everton a few days ago.
https://x.com/nealmaupay_/status/1829110516242849965
Useless tool.
Here's his Everton heat map.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWJSgbFXwAAhc8Y?format=jpg&name=small)
If there was anyone running Everton at the minute Dyche would be out of a job. Why he insists on playing Keane is beyond me. It was only after Keane was dropped and Branthwaite put in that Everton tightened up at the back. O'Brien hasn't had a start yet FFS.
Glad to see Holgate gone as well so that Dyche can't put him on either.
Why is O'Brien not starting? Keane should have been gone long ago.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 02, 2024, 11:03:26 AMWhy is O'Brien not starting? Keane should have been gone long ago.
"Hes not up to speed in the Premiership" allegedly.
Keane hasn't been Premier level in years IMO.
that doesn't sound promising. I actually went to a preseason friendly and he looked grand but the opposition weren't great.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 30, 2024, 06:48:23 PMhttps://x.com/fscollector1985/status/1829566166433485179
Same guy was in Dublin for the Ireland v England game.
https://x.com/BMWjarvo/status/1833150973591593325
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 10, 2024, 12:08:06 AMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 30, 2024, 06:48:23 PMhttps://x.com/fscollector1985/status/1829566166433485179
Same guy was in Dublin for the Ireland v England game.
https://x.com/BMWjarvo/status/1833150973591593325
That's so Jarvo 😜😜
Feel sorry for the lad more than anything
Anyone got a link for getting the cheap jersies/ kits for kids?
it has been a topic here before. usually for cheap jerseys but I'd say they would also sell children's jerseys too.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 10, 2024, 09:30:24 AMAnyone got a link for getting the cheap jersies/ kits for kids?
Sent you a PM
Clonian could you dm me that link also please?
Thanks
Used this https://www.soccer03.shop/ a right few times and have no complaints
One of my mates runs a fake jerseys WhatsApp group so I order off him but the few times he's not been able to get a jersey I've used soccer03 like Gawa has and never had any issues.
AFL jerseys DHgate do a good stock off them.
They take long to arrive?
Quote from: Square Ball on September 11, 2024, 09:45:32 AMThey take long to arrive?
I found them much of a muchness SB about 2-3 weeks for delivery. I can forgive that seeing they cost about 1/5 of what official ones cost. Quality is near enough the same I find
Bradley not up to much when he has to defend.
Slot out
Quote from: gawa316 on September 10, 2024, 07:39:48 PMUsed this https://www.soccer03.shop/ a right few times and have no complaints
What's the sizing like from that place? Do they match our sizes?
Some strike by Jhon Durán a few moments ago to put Aston Villa ahead against Everton. And to edit, turned out to be a fitting match winner.
Everton. Football. Club.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXd6UHNXMAArsiy?format=jpg&name=large)
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 14, 2024, 05:11:10 PMQuote from: gawa316 on September 10, 2024, 07:39:48 PMUsed this https://www.soccer03.shop/ a right few times and have no complaints
What's the sizing like from that place? Do they match our sizes?
I found them true to size.. I'm a medium in the official jerseys and medium in the replicas (China ones).
If you're buying any retro jerseys I'd go a size up
Yeah Everton at it again eh. Some winner from Duran. He's pushing for a start but then Watkins is now up and running too. DCL was defo a threat for them
Quote from: lurganblue on September 15, 2024, 09:20:27 AMYeah Everton at it again eh. Some winner from Duran. He's pushing for a start but then Watkins is now up and running too. DCL was defo a threat for them
this might sound strange but I thought Everton played a decent game against a good team.
The only difference was that Everton don't have two fullbacks and a 6'4" centre back who ducks when he tries to head a ball..
Horrendous defending in general but the strike for Duran was unreal.
DCL nearly snuck a point as his shot come crashing off the bar..
Why oh why does he continue to play Michael Keane. Awful.
Interesting couple of weeks coming up with this trial.
City 1-0 up early on but Rodri gone off injured after 15 minutes.
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 22, 2024, 04:54:04 PMCity 1-0 up early on but Rodri gone off injured after 15 minutes.
Arsenal 2-1 ahead now, its shows how much City rely on Rodri. Arsenal down to 10 Trossard sent off before the break.
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 22, 2024, 05:24:08 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on September 22, 2024, 04:54:04 PMCity 1-0 up early on but Rodri gone off injured after 15 minutes.
Arsenal 2-1 ahead now, its shows how much City rely on Rodri.
That first 15 minutes was looking ominous until Rodri went off. A long term injury to him will be much more costly than any dropped points today
Arsenal parked the bus once they went down to 10 men and it looked like City had run out of ideas yet found a goal in the 8th minute of added time to draw.
As a Mayo man I love saying this ........ Arsenal = Chokers! ;D
It takes one to know one.........
Arsenal fans losing the run of themselves. Trossard was 100% a second yellow either for the barge or the kicking the ball away I'm sick of Arteta crying too.
Overall Arsenal were very disappointing when they went down to 10. City were very poor after Rodri went off and Arsenal didn't even try to do anything they should have put someone up front for the chance of a breakaway.
Gregory McCartan will be raging if Haaland doesn't get a retrospective red card for throwing the ball at Gabriel 's head
For all Pep genius talk it was Dias and Walker taking pot shots.
Then Stones went into the box clogging it up even more.
I know Arsenal were disciplined but still.
Ornstein reporting Rodri expected to miss a considerable period with the knee injury
Who'll they spend 100m on to replace him with?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 23, 2024, 06:32:37 PMWho'll they spend 100m on to replace him with?
Zubimendi....wait and see!
Quote from: screenexile on September 22, 2024, 11:45:14 PMArsenal fans losing the run of themselves. Trossard was 100% a second yellow either for the barge or the kicking the ball away I'm sick of Arteta crying too.
Overall Arsenal were very disappointing when they went down to 10. City were very poor after Rodri went off and Arsenal didn't even try to do anything they should have put someone up front for the chance of a breakaway.
Which Arsenal fans are they who lost the run of themselves that you take as a yardstick?
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2024, 11:51:53 PMQuote from: screenexile on September 22, 2024, 11:45:14 PMArsenal fans losing the run of themselves. Trossard was 100% a second yellow either for the barge or the kicking the ball away I'm sick of Arteta crying too.
Overall Arsenal were very disappointing when they went down to 10. City were very poor after Rodri went off and Arsenal didn't even try to do anything they should have put someone up front for the chance of a breakaway.
Which Arsenal fans are they who lost the run of themselves that you take as a yardstick?
Thought Ian Wright was going to burst into tears when he made a video calling Haaland a coward.
Really struggling to understand the ire of arsenal and non arsenal fans at the reaction from the game and how the second half was played. What world are you living in where you expected any other performance in the second half, it would be folly to "play a man up front" on the hope of the breakaway against arguably the best team in world soccer on their home turf.
Dark arts? My hole. Emirates will be a hell of a rematch.
Quote from: Puckoon on September 25, 2024, 03:32:51 AMReally struggling to understand the ire of arsenal and non arsenal fans at the reaction from the game and how the second half was played. What world are you living in where you expected any other performance in the second half, it would be folly to "play a man up front" on the hope of the breakaway against arguably the best team in world soccer on their home turf.
Dark arts? My hole. Emirates will be a hell of a rematch.
I think it stems from the fact that there is something inherently unlikeable about Arteta.
Quote from: NAG1 on September 25, 2024, 11:36:52 AMQuote from: Puckoon on September 25, 2024, 03:32:51 AMReally struggling to understand the ire of arsenal and non arsenal fans at the reaction from the game and how the second half was played. What world are you living in where you expected any other performance in the second half, it would be folly to "play a man up front" on the hope of the breakaway against arguably the best team in world soccer on their home turf.
Dark arts? My hole. Emirates will be a hell of a rematch.
I think it stems from the fact that there is something inherently unlikeable about Arteta.
The old hair dye/lego head thing is a bit curious
Everyone seems so pumped up these days but arsenal and arteta have taken it to a new level. Every decision nearly questioned. All so intense
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 25, 2024, 01:16:04 PMEveryone seems so pumped up these days but arsenal and arteta have taken it to a new level. Every decision nearly questioned. All so intense
Meh
RVN missed penalty back in the day was pretty pumped, and the 50th game to end the unbeaten run
Plenty of animosity between Utd-Chelsea, Chelsea-Liverpool, Liverpool-Utd, Utd-City, City-Liverpool going back overt the years
Mourinho even went buck mental at his own physio for treating an injured player
In terms of challenging every decision, it seems a tactic employed by certain teams that their ancillary staff in the dugout get het up
These big flashpoints tend to occur when the rivalry heats up and the stakes are high, nothing new
Quote from: NAG1 on September 25, 2024, 11:36:52 AMQuote from: Puckoon on September 25, 2024, 03:32:51 AMReally struggling to understand the ire of arsenal and non arsenal fans at the reaction from the game and how the second half was played. What world are you living in where you expected any other performance in the second half, it would be folly to "play a man up front" on the hope of the breakaway against arguably the best team in world soccer on their home turf.
Dark arts? My hole. Emirates will be a hell of a rematch.
I think it stems from the fact that there is something inherently unlikeable about Arteta.
played for angers. Thats enough for me
Quote from: tiempo on September 25, 2024, 01:22:09 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 25, 2024, 01:16:04 PMEveryone seems so pumped up these days but arsenal and arteta have taken it to a new level. Every decision nearly questioned. All so intense
Meh
RVN missed penalty back in the day was pretty pumped, and the 50th game to end the unbeaten run
Plenty of animosity between Utd-Chelsea, Chelsea-Liverpool, Liverpool-Utd, Utd-City, City-Liverpool going back overt the years
Mourinho even went buck mental at his own physio for treating an injured player
In terms of challenging every decision, it seems a tactic employed by certain teams that their ancillary staff in the dugout get het up
These big flashpoints tend to occur when the rivalry heats up and the stakes are high, nothing new
I take some of your point but the Arse are at it even at the smaller matches. Yes deffo a tactic to get the staff up as much as possible, Newcastle at it too
Quote from: NAG1 on September 25, 2024, 11:36:52 AMQuote from: Puckoon on September 25, 2024, 03:32:51 AMReally struggling to understand the ire of arsenal and non arsenal fans at the reaction from the game and how the second half was played. What world are you living in where you expected any other performance in the second half, it would be folly to "play a man up front" on the hope of the breakaway against arguably the best team in world soccer on their home turf.
Dark arts? My hole. Emirates will be a hell of a rematch.
I think it stems from the fact that there is something inherently unlikeable about Arteta.
He's never done moaning about something. And that is coming through the players on the pitch now too.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 25, 2024, 03:03:59 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 25, 2024, 01:22:09 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 25, 2024, 01:16:04 PMEveryone seems so pumped up these days but arsenal and arteta have taken it to a new level. Every decision nearly questioned. All so intense
Meh
RVN missed penalty back in the day was pretty pumped, and the 50th game to end the unbeaten run
Plenty of animosity between Utd-Chelsea, Chelsea-Liverpool, Liverpool-Utd, Utd-City, City-Liverpool going back overt the years
Mourinho even went buck mental at his own physio for treating an injured player
In terms of challenging every decision, it seems a tactic employed by certain teams that their ancillary staff in the dugout get het up
These big flashpoints tend to occur when the rivalry heats up and the stakes are high, nothing new
I take some of your point but the Arse are at it even at the smaller matches. Yes deffo a tactic to get the staff up as much as possible, Newcastle at it too
Get what you're saying
Might be a poor long term strategy, there's only so apoplectic you can get on a continual basis before the lads doing the hard yards see through it, especially as they get older, there's a balance to be struck and they're probably overdoing it
Quote from: tiempo on September 25, 2024, 03:47:55 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 25, 2024, 03:03:59 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 25, 2024, 01:22:09 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 25, 2024, 01:16:04 PMEveryone seems so pumped up these days but arsenal and arteta have taken it to a new level. Every decision nearly questioned. All so intense
Meh
RVN missed penalty back in the day was pretty pumped, and the 50th game to end the unbeaten run
Plenty of animosity between Utd-Chelsea, Chelsea-Liverpool, Liverpool-Utd, Utd-City, City-Liverpool going back overt the years
Mourinho even went buck mental at his own physio for treating an injured player
In terms of challenging every decision, it seems a tactic employed by certain teams that their ancillary staff in the dugout get het up
These big flashpoints tend to occur when the rivalry heats up and the stakes are high, nothing new
I take some of your point but the Arse are at it even at the smaller matches. Yes deffo a tactic to get the staff up as much as possible, Newcastle at it too
Get what you're saying
Might be a poor long term strategy, there's only so apoplectic you can get on a continual basis before the lads doing the hard yards see through it, especially as they get older, there's a balance to be struck and they're probably overdoing it
Agreed. It's making them much less likeable to the "neutral" like me who would normally be happy enough to see city knocked off their perch if pool aren't doing it. Not that they give a shiny shite about little old me lol
Quote from: jcpen on September 25, 2024, 07:02:41 PMAgreed, Arsenal are very unlikable team and Arteta is a knob.
Is he any different to Alex Ferguson in his pomp?
Quote from: johnnycool on September 26, 2024, 01:50:56 PMQuote from: jcpen on September 25, 2024, 07:02:41 PMAgreed, Arsenal are very unlikable team and Arteta is a knob.
Is he any different to Alex Ferguson in his pomp?
Fergie actually won things.........
Quote from: 5times5times on September 26, 2024, 03:27:53 PMQuote from: johnnycool on September 26, 2024, 01:50:56 PMQuote from: jcpen on September 25, 2024, 07:02:41 PMAgreed, Arsenal are very unlikable team and Arteta is a knob.
Is he any different to Alex Ferguson in his pomp?
Fergie actually won things.........
The English media does like to hype up Arteta while ignoring this.
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Unabashed Xenophobia at its finest in here.
Quote from: 5times5times on September 26, 2024, 03:27:53 PMQuote from: johnnycool on September 26, 2024, 01:50:56 PMQuote from: jcpen on September 25, 2024, 07:02:41 PMAgreed, Arsenal are very unlikable team and Arteta is a knob.
Is he any different to Alex Ferguson in his pomp?
Fergie actually won things.........
Not for the first few years he didn't.
Arsenal not overlay dissimilar to Liverpool over the past few seasons. They know that in order to beat the sportswashing cheats to the title they'll need as good as perfect of a season. Which is beyond them unless every little decision and stroke of luck goes their way. So it in manifests in overthinking and overdramatising any grey decision that goes against them, in an angry, paranoid way.
I can understand the mindset. It takes something extraordinary to beat the cheats at football.
Biggest difference between them and Scouse though is that Scouse played better football and Klopp was a properly charismatic ****. Arteta isn't charismatic but he is a ****.
Wouldn't disagree with any of that tbh. You can see they have a 38 match cup final mentality, and it regularly boils over with the histrionics
Quote from: thewobbler on September 26, 2024, 10:37:32 PMArsenal not overlay dissimilar to Liverpool over the past few seasons. They know that in order to beat the sportswashing cheats to the title they'll need as good as perfect of a season. Which is beyond them unless every little decision and stroke of luck goes their way. So it in manifests in overthinking and overdramatising any grey decision that goes against them, in an angry, paranoid way.
I can understand the mindset. It takes something extraordinary to beat the cheats at football.
Biggest difference between them and Scouse though is that Scouse played better football and Klopp was a properly charismatic ****. Arteta isn't charismatic but he is a ****.
While I agree with your angle Wobbler re sports washing, cheating etc, a wee point of order, Scouse is a stew akin to Irish Stew. I read your post replacing Scouse with Irish Stew and it made less sense that it should, and there's plenty of sense in your post
Liverpool under the charismatic Klopp last season was top of the table with eight games to play with Manchester City sitting in 3rd. Klopp was on course for a perfect send off then his players messed up by failing to beat Manchester United,West Ham and lost to Everton,Crystal Palace.
Quote from: JoG2 on September 26, 2024, 11:42:05 PMQuote from: thewobbler on September 26, 2024, 10:37:32 PMArsenal not overlay dissimilar to Liverpool over the past few seasons. They know that in order to beat the sportswashing cheats to the title they'll need as good as perfect of a season. Which is beyond them unless every little decision and stroke of luck goes their way. So it in manifests in overthinking and overdramatising any grey decision that goes against them, in an angry, paranoid way.
I can understand the mindset. It takes something extraordinary to beat the cheats at football.
Biggest difference between them and Scouse though is that Scouse played better football and Klopp was a properly charismatic ****. Arteta isn't charismatic but he is a ****.
While I agree with your angle Wobbler re sports washing, cheating etc, a wee point of order, Scouse is a stew akin to Irish Stew. I read your post replacing Scouse with Irish Stew and it made less sense that it should, and there's plenty of sense in your post
;D
Spurs last night showed Arsenal how to hold onto a lead with 10 men.
Against *checks notes* Qarabag
I think at half time Arteta directed the players to park the bus as a f**k you to the football authorities, primarily referees as he didn't agree with the red card and other recent decisions, the managerial equivalent of running off with the ball, if we can't get a fair cut of it you won't get a watchable game, we now ascribe to win at all costs, by any means necessary, if we can't have a fair fight
I also think he's using it as a trick to further develop a siege mentality in what is mostly a young and impressionable group of men, he's typically gone for that younger profile so he can mould them to suit, rather than buying established players who might try and rock the boat if they though his methods were too kooky
In the end a lot of the comparisons have some degree of truth, there are similarities to Pep, Jurgen, Jose and others, they're all mad in their own way, you have to be to operate and more importantly believe and back yourself in that arena at that level, you have to dispense of any concerns over embarrassing yourself and do what you think its gonna take, that manifested itself in the tactical decision and second half performance, which was 60 seconds away from stealing all 3 points
Long story short, there's no right or wrong answer, many different ways to go about it
The media need to build someone up as rivals to Man City in order to sell the PL - previously it was Klopp's Liverpool, now it is Arteta's Arsenal. It can also be seen in the hype generated by Spurs at the start of last season when Angeball was all the rage.
As an Arsenal supporter I would agree that the plaudits aren't matched by achievement on the pitch i.e. winning trophies. Although given City's financial advantages it is much more difficult for any team to win a major trophy than previous eras.
The tactic in the second half on Sunday were a reaction to the situation I would say it will be a means of playing over 45 minutes that Arsenal never repeat.
Hopefully, Arteta will calm down a bit when if Arsenal keep 11 players on the pitch for a few matches.
Quote from: GTP on September 27, 2024, 10:49:47 AMThe media need to build someone up as rivals to Man City in order to sell the PL - previously it was Klopp's Liverpool, now it is Arteta's Arsenal. It can also be seen in the hype generated by Spurs at the start of last season when Angeball was all the rage.
As an Arsenal supporter I would agree that the plaudits aren't matched by achievement on the pitch i.e. winning trophies. Although given City's financial advantages it is much more difficult for any team to win a major trophy than previous eras.
The tactic in the second half on Sunday were a reaction to the situation I would say it will be a means of playing over 45 minutes that Arsenal never repeat.
Hopefully, Arteta will calm down a bit when if Arsenal keep 11 players on the pitch for a few matches.
Financial doping began with Chelsea and brought an abrupt end to Wengers golden era which undoubtedly would have continued, he never won 2 in a row but he would have won a few more standalone titles without doubt. Ferguson was able to compete as he had already created a dynasty and had the financial clout to compete. Citys continuation of Chelsea's bs denied Klopp and Liverpool a golden era that would have surpassed Wengers, Liverpool were definitely good for 2, 3 or 4 in a row. All a bit sickening really using the natural resources of various countries to distort a sporting competition thousands of miles away, they say Chelsea was the worlds most expensive life insurance policy, Roman became a lot more difficult to assassinate, not because it was more difficult to do but because he was aligned to a western brand and you can't draw attention to yourself quite like that
Can we really accuse City of financial doping in recent years?
Who did they buy this year? Savinho?
They are operating off a small squad in comparison to some teams.
I personally like the way they are run; they have financially doped initially in the past to get here but I wouldn't put them in the same category as Chelsea.
If Pep leaves that team could be in bother.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 27, 2024, 11:54:28 AMCan we really accuse City of financial doping in recent years?
Who did they buy this year? Savinho?
They are operating off a small squad in comparison to some teams.
I personally like the way they are run; they have financially doped initially in the past to get here but I wouldn't put them in the same category as Chelsea.
If Pep leaves that team could be in bother.
They bought Savinho under market value from a partner club - United couldn't buy the guy from Nice who are sister club but City could.
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 27, 2024, 12:21:11 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 27, 2024, 11:54:28 AMCan we really accuse City of financial doping in recent years?
Who did they buy this year? Savinho?
They are operating off a small squad in comparison to some teams.
I personally like the way they are run; they have financially doped initially in the past to get here but I wouldn't put them in the same category as Chelsea.
If Pep leaves that team could be in bother.
They bought Savinho under market value from a partner club - United couldn't buy the guy from Nice who are sister club but City could.
Who were united after and why couldnt they buy him?
Utd are feeling the pinch because they have wasted so much money last few years and got very little return on the field from their spending. They thought they would spend their way to the top. They didn't. This eventually had a knock on effect on their revenue streams which has left them maxed out and reality is finally starting to bite with them.
No other club could operate like this and survive as long as they have. People focus on City because they have actually performed on the pitch. Over performed you could argue.
Quote from: Look-Up! on September 27, 2024, 01:54:21 PMUtd are feeling the pinch because they have wasted so much money last few years and got very little return on the field from their spending. They thought they would spend their way to the top. They didn't. This eventually had a knock on effect on their revenue streams which has left them maxed out and reality is finally starting to bite with them.
No other club could operate like this and survive as long as they have. People focus on City because they have actually performed on the pitch. Over performed you could argue.
I agree 100% City have been extremely intelligent in how they have invested their money and now they can sustain themselves without spending too much.
Incredible academy too which they can sell off a player or to every year to raise funds.
Other clubs have spent similar amounts of money and are in a mess.
Confirmation that Rodri is gone for the season
Quote from: gawa316 on September 27, 2024, 03:59:17 PMConfirmation that Rodri is gone for the season
Villa confirm that Mings and Bouba Kamara are back training and will play u21 action this weekend. Nice boost to that squad. Both with serious knee injuries last season, like Rodri. Rodri will be a serious loss to City.
Quote from: gawa316 on September 27, 2024, 03:59:17 PMConfirmation that Rodri is gone for the season
Real Sociedad rubbing their hands now. Although given Zubimendi has a £50m release clause, if both City and Liverpool were to meet that amount, I assume the player is free to play them off against each other for his package at no benefit to the selling club?
Villa have a brilliant squad to be fair to them
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 27, 2024, 03:26:57 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on September 27, 2024, 01:54:21 PMUtd are feeling the pinch because they have wasted so much money last few years and got very little return on the field from their spending. They thought they would spend their way to the top. They didn't. This eventually had a knock on effect on their revenue streams which has left them maxed out and reality is finally starting to bite with them.
No other club could operate like this and survive as long as they have. People focus on City because they have actually performed on the pitch. Over performed you could argue.
I agree 100% City have been extremely intelligent in how they have invested their money and now they can sustain themselves without spending too much.
Incredible academy too which they can sell off a player or to every year to raise funds.
Other clubs have spent similar amounts of money and are in a mess.
Since becoming Man City's manager in 2016, Guardiola has spent over 1 billion on new players in the transfer market. 115 charges to their name for breaking financial fair play rules and remains to be seen how that trial goes. A bad outcome and Pep and most of the high profile players will jump ship before it sinks.
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 27, 2024, 04:26:51 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 27, 2024, 03:26:57 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on September 27, 2024, 01:54:21 PMUtd are feeling the pinch because they have wasted so much money last few years and got very little return on the field from their spending. They thought they would spend their way to the top. They didn't. This eventually had a knock on effect on their revenue streams which has left them maxed out and reality is finally starting to bite with them.
No other club could operate like this and survive as long as they have. People focus on City because they have actually performed on the pitch. Over performed you could argue.
I agree 100% City have been extremely intelligent in how they have invested their money and now they can sustain themselves without spending too much.
Incredible academy too which they can sell off a player or to every year to raise funds.
Other clubs have spent similar amounts of money and are in a mess.
Since becoming Man City's manager in 2016, Guardiola has spent over 1 billion on new players in the transfer market. 115 charges to their name for breaking financial fair play rules and remains to be seen how that trial goes. A bad outcome and Pep and most of the high profile players will jump ship before it sinks.
Big difference is Pep has worked with and improved his players and signed very few flops. So he has recuperated a lot of that 1bn in sales so the net spend is actually very good. I think he's down in 10th place for net spend in the league compared to other clubs all while winning 4 in a row plus the treble. What Chelsea and Utd have spent alongside him is criminal considering how they have performed on the field in that time.
Another big indicator is wages. City have a huge bill but they are consistently winning and getting to the business end of CL so that's sustainable. What Chelsea and Utd are at is not. Look at Utd's top earners. 5 are on over 200K a week but only 1 you could say is a first teamer. 3 are over 300k and only 1 first teamer. Throw in Maguire on 190k. How many at City could you say are similarly flopped? Maybe Grealish but he has actually chipped in at crucial moments in campaigns with vital goals.
You don't have to like the manager, club or owners but to say their success is down to financial doping is very very blinkered thinking.
Quote from: Look-Up! on September 27, 2024, 05:10:34 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on September 27, 2024, 04:26:51 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 27, 2024, 03:26:57 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on September 27, 2024, 01:54:21 PMUtd are feeling the pinch because they have wasted so much money last few years and got very little return on the field from their spending. They thought they would spend their way to the top. They didn't. This eventually had a knock on effect on their revenue streams which has left them maxed out and reality is finally starting to bite with them.
No other club could operate like this and survive as long as they have. People focus on City because they have actually performed on the pitch. Over performed you could argue.
I agree 100% City have been extremely intelligent in how they have invested their money and now they can sustain themselves without spending too much.
Incredible academy too which they can sell off a player or to every year to raise funds.
Other clubs have spent similar amounts of money and are in a mess.
Since becoming Man City's manager in 2016, Guardiola has spent over 1 billion on new players in the transfer market. 115 charges to their name for breaking financial fair play rules and remains to be seen how that trial goes. A bad outcome and Pep and most of the high profile players will jump ship before it sinks.
Big difference is Pep has worked with and improved his players and signed very few flops. So he has recuperated a lot of that 1bn in sales so the net spend is actually very good. I think he's down in 10th place for net spend in the league compared to other clubs all while winning 4 in a row plus the treble. What Chelsea and Utd have spent alongside him is criminal considering how they have performed on the field in that time.
Another big indicator is wages. City have a huge bill but they are consistently winning and getting to the business end of CL so that's sustainable. What Chelsea and Utd are at is not. Look at Utd's top earners. 5 are on over 200K a week but only 1 you could say is a first teamer. 3 are over 300k and only 1 first teamer. Throw in Maguire on 190k. How many at City could you say are similarly flopped? Maybe Grealish but he has actually chipped in at crucial moments in campaigns with vital goals.
You don't have to like the manager, club or owners but to say their success is down to financial doping is very very blinkered thinking.
He went through a good number of goalkeepers and full backs before finding ones that suited his system.
Jesus Christ 115 charges and some you clowns think they've played a blinder 🤣🤣
Sure the figures alone for the below the table payments for haaland were eye watering
But anyway, as you were
Quote from: Look-Up! on September 27, 2024, 05:10:34 PMYou don't have to like the manager, club or owners but to say their success is down to financial doping is very very blinkered thinking.
Manchester City in the few season before their current owners took over finished 14th,15th,and 16th in the Premier League and 1998–99 season they were a third-tier club. A real rags to riches story it was not. They basically won the billionaire lotto with their current owners choosing them and few of the recent Premier league titles won was done with the help with Liverpool and Arsenal losing titles that was theirs to lose.
Chelsea in comparison for a good number of seasons before Roman Abramovich had his first full season with them finished each Premier league season in the top 6, won trophies and reached the semi final of the champions league one season. Their current owner/replacement for Abramovich appears to be idiot in how to run a club however all the shite he's thrown at the wall might eventually stick.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 27, 2024, 05:36:01 PMJesus Christ 115 charges and some you clowns think they've played a blinder 🤣🤣
Sure the figures alone for the below the table payments for haaland were eye watering
But anyway, as you were
If you want below table payments, back handers and questionable business practices look no further than Fergie and Son. Even when their owners tried to clean up their operation and raised 99 concerned queries on how the club was run, their homes and places of business were targeted by gurrier mobs and they were forced to sell.
But anyway, as you were.
Some amount of hand rubbing over a players injury ;D
Liverpools to lose ;D
Unbelievable defending from Man United there.
Never a red
Spurs should be about 3 up. Deserved red for Bruno Fernandes there.
Man United a mess.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 29, 2024, 05:14:16 PMNever a red
Are you having a laugh? A cowardly tackle. From the highly over-rated Bruno!
Was never a red.
This is like Kilcoo vs anyone else in Down atm. Spurs just levels above.
Seems like the same old crap. Ten Hag will be gone within weeks .
Southgate will be in, possibly as caretaker until the end of the season.
In reality, who else is out there? Or who out there would touch it?
Roy Keane, but SAF will never allow it
Quote from: tiempo on September 29, 2024, 05:43:15 PMRoy Keane, but SAF will never allow it
Roy Keane is on the Media Gravy Train. Eating buns and drinking tea on the Overlap.
Would you swap that for Managing a sinking ship.
He'd recognise it as a proper job and with an astronomical pay packet, he'd take it in a heartbeat
From a team point of view, he commands instant respect and takes no shit, as a starting point for the talent available thats easily enough to stabilise
I agree, it's a sinking ship, with EtH you're lucky to finish top half
It's a ship that's been "sinking" for 11 years, what does it take for it to be considered well and truly sunk?
A Roy Keane appointment?
Quote from: tiempo on September 29, 2024, 06:38:08 PMHe'd recognise it as a proper job and with an astronomical pay packet, he'd take it in a heartbeat
From a team point of view, he commands instant respect and takes no shit, as a starting point for the talent available thats easily enough to stabilise
I agree, it's a sinking ship, with EtH you're lucky to finish top half
Keane was dismissed as Ipswich manager on 7 January 2011.
That's nearly 15 years since he has had a Management job.
That would be a huge gamble, for even a desperate Man Utd.
Everton, who only won their first game of the season yesterday, are only 3 points behind Man United.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 29, 2024, 06:51:07 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 29, 2024, 06:38:08 PMHe'd recognise it as a proper job and with an astronomical pay packet, he'd take it in a heartbeat
From a team point of view, he commands instant respect and takes no shit, as a starting point for the talent available thats easily enough to stabilise
I agree, it's a sinking ship, with EtH you're lucky to finish top half
Keane was dismissed as Ipswich manager on 7 January 2011.
That's nearly 15 years since he has had a Management job.
That would be a huge gamble, for even a desperate Man Utd.
That's only short of 14 years ;)
I think Keane is too long out of the game now at this point to become a club manager.
Maybe he's happy enough with that as the TV work is steady , and there's none of the stress of a managerial role.
Plus , he's a granda now apparently, and the family are likely settled , and he probably likes the time now to spend with them. Also, there are probably few jobs around the Manchester area that are available, or would suit not uprooting his family
I wouldn't rule out him becoming Ireland manager in future although he seemed to be linked recently and it didn't happen for whatever reason
EtH giving off serious Roy Evans vibe, you wouldn't even give him a job looking after the bibs and cones
The problem with ETH and OGS before him were inconsistency. Some bad results then followed by some good runs, turning a corner talk and then bad result again. But there was something extra shit about that performance, almost a lost the dressing room performance. It was truely awful. I think it's very early for manager change talk but after looking at that I wouldn't be surprised. Even if he keeps it, Villa away will be interesting. It's the type of game they would have bounced back in before, but I don't know after today.
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 29, 2024, 05:38:14 PMSeems like the same old crap. Ten Hag will be gone within weeks .
Southgate will be in, possibly as caretaker until the end of the season.
In reality, who else is out there? Or who out there would touch it?
Ruud van Nistelrooy was brought in this summer and he would likely gladly take the caretaker role until and more suitable manager becomes available.
If it had been yellow no one would have complained but at the same time I don't think he can complain too much about the red either. Stupid tackle. He slipped so was not in control but lunged out anyway. Foot came in very high, studs up, no where near the ball. Ok he was too far away to catch the player high but he still caught him coming down on the foot. Lazy and stupid.
Quote from: Look-Up! on September 30, 2024, 09:31:47 AMIf it had been yellow no one would have complained but at the same time I don't think he can complain too much about the red either. Stupid tackle. He slipped so was not in control but lunged out anyway. Foot came in very high, studs up, no where near the ball. Ok he was too far away to catch the player high but he still caught him coming down on the foot. Lazy and stupid.
He slipped lazily and stupidly? Was a yellow card at worst, the contact is mitigated by the slip, his entire reaction (in about 0.0005 of a second) was to plant the foot so he didn't fall in a heap, a natural reflex reaction, the fact he made contact with Maddison was an outcome outside of his control. For VAR not to overturn that is an absolute joke and makes a mockery of the system, but time and again its evident that the on-field and off-field officials haven't a clue. I would say the PGMOL fraternity is just another bunch of spectrumy wierdos like Mark Goldbridge who take their jumped up fandom way too far.
Quote from: tiempo on September 30, 2024, 09:59:26 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on September 30, 2024, 09:31:47 AMIf it had been yellow no one would have complained but at the same time I don't think he can complain too much about the red either. Stupid tackle. He slipped so was not in control but lunged out anyway. Foot came in very high, studs up, no where near the ball. Ok he was too far away to catch the player high but he still caught him coming down on the foot. Lazy and stupid.
He slipped lazily and stupidly? Was a yellow card at worst, the contact is mitigated by the slip, his entire reaction (in about 0.0005 of a second) was to plant the foot so he didn't fall in a heap, a natural reflex reaction, the fact he made contact with Maddison was an outcome outside of his control. For VAR not to overturn that is an absolute joke and makes a mockery of the system, but time and again its evident that the on-field and off-field officials haven't a clue. I would say the PGMOL fraternity is just another bunch of spectrumy wierdos like Mark Goldbridge who take their jumped up fandom way too far.
He lunged out lazily and stupidly after he slipped.
As for spectrumy wierdos, you couldn't give a better description of Fernandes himself. If that tackle had happened to him he'd still be rolling.
Aw no doubt he's a bit of a dose himself but I don't buy that he lunged out as a specific decision, his natural reaction was to look to plant the foot, nothing after he slipped was lazy or stupid, it was pure reflex
Anyway, Utd's season is over in September, they really need to play Martinez left back, they're bucked until they put a left footer in there, and he's too small for CB anyway, exposed again yesterday
Quote from: tiempo on September 30, 2024, 10:39:14 AMAw no doubt he's a bit of a dose himself but I don't buy that he lunged out as a specific decision, his natural reaction was to look to plant the foot, nothing after he slipped was lazy or stupid, it was pure reflex
Anyway, Utd's season is over in September, they really need to play Martinez left back, they're bucked until they put a left footer in there, and he's too small for CB anyway, exposed again yesterday
It's impossible to tell his intentions. My first reaction on first angle replay was you dirty little c**t, straight for the knee and deserves more than 3 match ban. But then on other angles he clearly slipped and although foot initially high it was far enough away from the knee, and subsequent contact where it was, that a yellow would have been adequate. But I don't know what referee saw and with player safety a priority, the onus should have been on Fernandes not to make contact in that situation. So harsh but not exactly worst decision ever.
Utd look in trouble. Those 2 defenders from Bayern, I don't know. And as for that DM from PSG. Jesus Christ, I said it before but that SMcT business looked the worst piece of business they have every done and that's saying something. I don't care how clever it looked in the ledgers. Big job on their hands.
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Quote from: AustinPowers link=msg=2298754 date=172 ;)7627894Seems like the same old crap. Ten Hag will be gone within weeks .
Southgate will be in, possibly as caretaker until the end of the season.
In reality, who else is out there? Or who out there would touch it?
Unai Emery. ;)
United almost running side by side with the Merseyside team in points per game over the last 15 PL games
The blue Merseyside team ;D
QuotePoints in their last 15 Premier League games:
Everton: 21
Man Utd: 19
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 30, 2024, 07:58:07 PMUnited almost running side by side with the Merseyside team in points per game over the last 15 PL games
The blue Merseyside team ;D
QuotePoints in their last 15 Premier League games:
Everton: 21
Man Utd: 19
Quite a stat ;D
Quote from: ziggy90 on September 30, 2024, 01:22:45 PMUQuote from: AustinPowers link=msg=2298754 date=172 ;)7627894Seems like the same old crap. Ten Hag will be gone within weeks .
Southgate will be in, possibly as caretaker until the end of the season.
In reality, who else is out there? Or who out there would touch it?
Unai Emery. ;)
Now now, is that wishful thinking from a bluenose ;D
Reality is that Emery wouldn't change for that Utd setup IMO. I know all the bigger club blah blah blah etc, but Emery has been given free rein at Villa. He has a say in everything. He has his men in place from top to bottom. He's had the PSG/arsenal experience before and I'm not sure he'd swap for Utd at this moment.
He'd be a fool to take that job with how things are going there. Would doubt he'd go near it.
Quote from: lurganblue on October 01, 2024, 09:27:12 AMQuote from: ziggy90 on September 30, 2024, 01:22:45 PMUQuote from: AustinPowers link=msg=2298754 date=172 ;)7627894Seems like the same old crap. Ten Hag will be gone within weeks .
Southgate will be in, possibly as caretaker until the end of the season.
In reality, who else is out there? Or who out there would touch it?
Unai Emery. ;)
Now now, is that wishful thinking from a bluenose ;D
Reality is that Emery wouldn't change for that Utd setup IMO. I know all the bigger club blah blah blah etc, but Emery has been given free rein at Villa. He has a say in everything. He has his men in place from top to bottom. He's had the PSG/arsenal experience before and I'm not sure he'd swap for Utd at this moment.
Indeed. ;D
Quote from: ziggy90 on October 01, 2024, 03:23:05 PMQuote from: lurganblue on October 01, 2024, 09:27:12 AMQuote from: ziggy90 on September 30, 2024, 01:22:45 PMUQuote from: AustinPowers link=msg=2298754 date=172 ;)7627894Seems like the same old crap. Ten Hag will be gone within weeks .
Southgate will be in, possibly as caretaker until the end of the season.
In reality, who else is out there? Or who out there would touch it?
Unai Emery. ;)
Now now, is that wishful thinking from a bluenose ;D
Reality is that Emery wouldn't change for that Utd setup IMO. I know all the bigger club blah blah blah etc, but Emery has been given free rein at Villa. He has a say in everything. He has his men in place from top to bottom. He's had the PSG/arsenal experience before and I'm not sure he'd swap for Utd at this moment.
Indeed. ;D
Like it or not Emery would walk to OT to get taking the job regardless of the state of the club currently.
There will be a natural ceiling Emery can rise to at Villa no matter how good he is. For someone with more ambition, then a club like Utd would absolutely be where they want to be. Of course it's a mess, could be a poisoned chalice etc but for someone with a huge ego that sees themselves as one of the best managers out there, I doubt they would have one bit of fear in taking on the challenge. In fact it would be something they'd relish.
Emery would have a much better chance of winning big by staying put and hope Pep fecks off... apart from Arsenal all other 'challengers' are either in transition or a mad house
I see 2 sets of Dublin soccer fans brawling in the streets last night. ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on October 01, 2024, 04:23:28 PMI see 2 sets of Dublin soccer fans brawling in the streets last night. ::)
Duffers pride and joy
Quote from: Rossfan on October 01, 2024, 04:23:28 PMI see 2 sets of Dublin soccer fans brawling in the streets last night. ::)
Would never happen in GAA of course, they just attack Refs in Roscommon ;D
Great game between Shels and St. Pats. The League of Ireland has been a great product this season. Crowds are up and more games on RTE and Virgin. Duff brings a bit of passion and madness. Kenny proving he is a quality manager in the League of Ireland.
I hear one teenage was arrested last night and later released.
There are plebs in every sport.
There will always the begrudgers who look for the negatives.
Brian Fenton and Jack McCaffrey were in the crowd and enjoying the fare.
Six goals in the first half of the Brenford Wolves game.
If wolves don't win soon their manager will be getting the road.
Pure spursy from Tottenham today, 2-0 ahead to lose 3-2 against Brighton.
City were lucky there to score so late. I don't know what exactly the rule is but I certainly thought Bernardo was interfering with play. He was having a wrestle with the goalie just before Stones headed it.
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 20, 2024, 04:12:48 PMCity were lucky there to score so late. I don't know what exactly the rule is but I certainly thought Bernardo was interfering with play. He was having a wrestle with the goalie just before Stones headed it.
Clearly interfering with the Goalkeeper. You'd expect the linesman or VAR to step in and call it.
It's the kind of call Champions usually get.
The Scousers are winning the league and there's not a thing anyone can do to stop it.
Good win for Liverpool. Had to seriously work for it. Chelsea have a very strong centre midfield, but need more quality up front before they're going to be title contenders. Definitely on the way back though. Been a while since Liverpool were dominated like they were in that first 25 minutes.
Quote from: J70 on October 20, 2024, 06:37:15 PMGood win for Liverpool. Had to seriously work for it. Chelsea have a very strong centre midfield, but need more quality up front before they're going to be title contenders. Definitely on the way back though. Been a while since Liverpool were dominated like they were in that first 25 minutes.
Dominated in the first 25 mins is a bit of a stretch. Chelsea didn't even have a shot in the first 25 mins. In fairness though Chelsea did play well in spells and I don't think they are far away from competing for a title for the next year or 2. They need a top class goalkeeper and striker.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on October 21, 2024, 01:28:49 AMQuote from: J70 on October 20, 2024, 06:37:15 PMGood win for Liverpool. Had to seriously work for it. Chelsea have a very strong centre midfield, but need more quality up front before they're going to be title contenders. Definitely on the way back though. Been a while since Liverpool were dominated like they were in that first 25 minutes.
Dominated in the first 25 mins is a bit of a stretch. Chelsea didn't even have a shot in the first 25 mins. In fairness though Chelsea did play well in spells and I don't think they are far away from competing for a title for the next year or 2. They need a top class goalkeeper and striker.
Jackson is well improved to be fair.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 20, 2024, 04:34:07 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on October 20, 2024, 04:12:48 PMCity were lucky there to score so late. I don't know what exactly the rule is but I certainly thought Bernardo was interfering with play. He was having a wrestle with the goalie just before Stones headed it.
Clearly interfering with the Goalkeeper. You'd expect the linesman or VAR to step in and call it.
It's the kind of call Champions usually get.
you can't disallow goals for that, the ref did have a look at it on the screen and rightly gave the goal.
Quote from: Sheedy on October 21, 2024, 11:12:58 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on October 20, 2024, 04:34:07 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on October 20, 2024, 04:12:48 PMCity were lucky there to score so late. I don't know what exactly the rule is but I certainly thought Bernardo was interfering with play. He was having a wrestle with the goalie just before Stones headed it.
Clearly interfering with the Goalkeeper. You'd expect the linesman or VAR to step in and call it.
It's the kind of call Champions usually get.
you can't disallow goals for that, the ref did have a look at it on the screen and rightly gave the goal.
Silva bumped Sa, and maybe blocked him from coming for the cross (I don't know if Sa does come for them), but he was well out of the way by the time Stones connected with the header, which went straight through Sa's hands.
It's hard to keep up with all the changing rules and interpretations, but without going through them with a fine toothcomb, looked to be the right decision to me.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on October 21, 2024, 01:28:49 AMQuote from: J70 on October 20, 2024, 06:37:15 PMGood win for Liverpool. Had to seriously work for it. Chelsea have a very strong centre midfield, but need more quality up front before they're going to be title contenders. Definitely on the way back though. Been a while since Liverpool were dominated like they were in that first 25 minutes.
Dominated in the first 25 mins is a bit of a stretch. Chelsea didn't even have a shot in the first 25 mins. In fairness though Chelsea did play well in spells and I don't think they are far away from competing for a title for the next year or 2. They need a top class goalkeeper and striker.
They didn't create much, but they were breaking through the Liverpool press and finding the likes of Sancho very easily. Probably had a little to do with Jones being tasked to do a man-marking job on Palmer.
If I was Chelsea I would be looking at Kelleher. From a Liverpool point of view I would want him to stay but he's far too good to be a back up.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on October 25, 2024, 05:01:15 AMIf I was Chelsea I would be looking at Kelleher. From a Liverpool point of view I would want him to stay but he's far too good to be a back up.
Chelsea look at everyone
Liverpool were awful there from when they got their goal. Much deserved lead for Arsenal
Liverpool very poor.
10/1.. I'll stick a cheeky 5 on that
Arsenal some hoors for diving to the ground like they've been shot everytime they are touched.
That's Arsenals own fault for parking the bus in the second half.
This is imo why Arsenal won't win the league. They had Liverpool on the ropes and came out in the second half and sat back and let Liverpool back into it.
Man City would have kept going for more.
Shocking call to disallow the winner for Arsenal there and another bad one not giving a clear corner at the last.
On top of that disgrace of a penalty against United.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2024, 06:33:48 PMShocking call to disallow the winner for Arsenal there and another bad one not giving a clear corner at the last.
On top of that disgrace of a penalty against United.
There was no winner, the commentator seemed to be sleeping - it was obvious he had blown and also had his arm up for the foul
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2024, 06:33:48 PMShocking call to disallow the winner for Arsenal there and another bad one not giving a clear corner at the last.
On top of that disgrace of a penalty against United.
The ref was standing blowing and pointing for the free as Havertz knocked it over Kelleher. The foul itself is almost always called. Nothing shocking about it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2024, 06:33:48 PMShocking call to disallow the winner for Arsenal there and another bad one not giving a clear corner at the last.
On top of that disgrace of a penalty against United.
The Ref had blown for a foul about 5 minutes beforehand ;D
Is that what the Arsenal players were whinging to the ref about at the end? They are always whining about something, a very unlikeable team.
Liverpool be happy with a point, didn't play great but kept going. Probably deserved the point in the end.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2024, 06:33:48 PMShocking call to disallow the winner for Arsenal there and another bad one not giving a clear corner at the last.
On top of that disgrace of a penalty against United.
Ehhhh no. The whistle had went for the foul earlier. Most players had stopped playing when you watch the wide angle. It was not a "winner".
And it was a penalty against United.
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 27, 2024, 06:37:30 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2024, 06:33:48 PMShocking call to disallow the winner for Arsenal there and another bad one not giving a clear corner at the last.
On top of that disgrace of a penalty against United.
There was no winner, the commentator seemed to be sleeping - it was obvious he had blown and also had his arm up for the foul
The Commentator and Neville were absolutely creaming themselves thinking Arsenal had scored, neither of them noticed that the whistle had been blown well before.🤣
Some amount of double jobbing on the football.
Theo was on MOTD last night and he's covering the Arsenal V Liverpool game today also.
Micah Richards is on them both also.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2024, 06:33:48 PMShocking call to disallow the winner for Arsenal there and another bad one not giving a clear corner at the last.
On top of that disgrace of a penalty against United.
Complaining about a corner not being given heard it all now. Most of the players outside Havertz and Trent had stopped playing.
Quote from: jcpen on October 27, 2024, 06:29:17 PMThis is imo why Arsenal won't win the league. They had Liverpool on the ropes and came out in the second half and sat back and let Liverpool back into it.
Man City would have kept going for more.
They don't have the confidence in themselves - or more so Arteta lacks confidence to drive on.
Man City midfielder Rodri becomes first Premier League player since Cristiano Ronaldo in 2008 to be crowned Ballon d'Or winner. Rodri beat the Real Madrid trio of Vinicius Junior, Dani Carvajal and Jude Bellingham to the top honour.
Quote from: marty34 on October 27, 2024, 07:01:32 PMSome amount of double jobbing on the football.
Theo was on MOTD last night and he's covering the Arsenal V Liverpool game today also.
Micah Richards is on them both also.
Micah is also on NBC Champions league coverage during the week as well as the rest is football podcast. Shit nearly forgot that League of Their Own crap on Sky as well!
He's pulling in good coin!
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 28, 2024, 11:36:39 PMMan City midfielder Rodri becomes first Premier League player since Cristiano Ronaldo in 2008 to be crowned Ballon d'Or winner. Rodri beat the Real Madrid trio of Vinicius Junior, Dani Carvajal and Jude Bellingham to the top honour.
Was he seriously in the reckoning?
Quote from: statto on October 29, 2024, 08:34:31 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on October 28, 2024, 11:36:39 PMMan City midfielder Rodri becomes first Premier League player since Cristiano Ronaldo in 2008 to be crowned Ballon d'Or winner. Rodri beat the Real Madrid trio of Vinicius Junior, Dani Carvajal and Jude Bellingham to the top honour.
Was he seriously in the reckoning?
Being voted in the top 4 would suggest he was
The pass leading to the first Spain goal in the Euro final was a highlight
Quote from: tiempo on October 29, 2024, 08:45:32 AMQuote from: statto on October 29, 2024, 08:34:31 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on October 28, 2024, 11:36:39 PMMan City midfielder Rodri becomes first Premier League player since Cristiano Ronaldo in 2008 to be crowned Ballon d'Or winner. Rodri beat the Real Madrid trio of Vinicius Junior, Dani Carvajal and Jude Bellingham to the top honour.
Was he seriously in the reckoning?
Being voted in the top 4 would suggest he was
The pass leading to the first Spain goal in the Euro final was a highlight
Dropped after the first group game, sent off in the quarter final and missed the semi final hardly lighting up the tournament.
Quote from: statto on October 29, 2024, 08:57:53 AMQuote from: tiempo on October 29, 2024, 08:45:32 AMQuote from: statto on October 29, 2024, 08:34:31 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on October 28, 2024, 11:36:39 PMMan City midfielder Rodri becomes first Premier League player since Cristiano Ronaldo in 2008 to be crowned Ballon d'Or winner. Rodri beat the Real Madrid trio of Vinicius Junior, Dani Carvajal and Jude Bellingham to the top honour.
Was he seriously in the reckoning?
Being voted in the top 4 would suggest he was
The pass leading to the first Spain goal in the Euro final was a highlight
Dropped after the first group game, sent off in the quarter final and missed the semi final hardly lighting up the tournament.
He lit up the CL final and Euros final, amazing dog of war and well worth ranking as high as he did, shame on the bad injury that looks to be career ending
Definitely lost a lot of pace but still some player. Dirty brute too but that's kind of what it takes at that level.
Good day for you Liverpool fans
Nearly time for Captain Obvious to tell us it's theirs to lose.
Quote from: jcpen on November 02, 2024, 04:56:11 PMGood day for you Liverpool fans
Nearly time for Captain Obvious to tell us it's theirs to lose.
Of course with 74% of the season still to play they have the title within their grasp!
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 02, 2024, 05:05:31 PMQuote from: jcpen on November 02, 2024, 04:56:11 PMGood day for you Liverpool fans
Nearly time for Captain Obvious to tell us it's theirs to lose.
Of course with 74% of the season still to play they have the title within their grasp!
Would be some bottle job if they don't win it from here.
Quote from: jcpen on November 02, 2024, 05:13:29 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on November 02, 2024, 05:05:31 PMQuote from: jcpen on November 02, 2024, 04:56:11 PMGood day for you Liverpool fans
Nearly time for Captain Obvious to tell us it's theirs to lose.
Of course with 74% of the season still to play they have the title within their grasp!
Would be some bottle job if they don't win it from here.
Well it is in our own hands after all
Quote from: jcpen on November 02, 2024, 04:56:11 PMGood day for you Liverpool fans
Nearly time for Captain Obvious to tell us it's theirs to lose.
While the stars are aligning Liverpool fans like yourself need to steady themselves.
This game is dull as feck
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2024, 05:51:51 PMThis game is dull as feck
Interest does wane the further down the table your team languishs, thats for sure
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2024, 05:51:51 PMThis game is dull as feck
Only watched the last 25 minutes. Two good moments of quality, Casemiro pass for the Man United penalty and Caicedo strike for the Chelsea goal. Commentator said it's the most drawn fixture in the Premier League so that's another draw for the collection.
Quote from: JoG2 on November 03, 2024, 06:41:32 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2024, 05:51:51 PMThis game is dull as feck
Interest does wane the further down the table your team languishs, thats for sure
I'd been watching the hurling beforehand so nothing is going to raise an eyebrow in fairness after that
Never fear. Fulham v Brentford will save the day tomorrow.
4th defeat in a row in all competitions for Man City after losing to Brighton tonight 2-1, they have fallen apart without Rodri.
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 09, 2024, 07:30:20 PM4th defeat in a row in all competitions for Man City after losing to Brighton tonight 2-1, they have fallen apart without Rodri.
Their invincibleness of previous seasons looks to have waned. They had a wobble like this in the 19/20 season.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 09, 2024, 07:45:07 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on November 09, 2024, 07:30:20 PM4th defeat in a row in all competitions for Man City after losing to Brighton tonight 2-1, they have fallen apart without Rodri.
Their invincibleness of previous seasons looks to have waned. They had a wobble like this in the 19/20 season.
Would be silly to write them off yet though.
Will be the usual kneejerk reactions saying they are finished or they can't win the league but that would be foolish imo.
Liverpool to go 5 clear. Villa on a bad run.
Be interesting to see Haalands temperament and the Pep/Haaland relationship if they continue to blow hot and cold, long overdue a wobble
Liverpool in quare form. Look strong and organised all over the field.
Quote from: Gael85 on November 09, 2024, 07:59:10 PMLiverpool to go 5 clear. Villa on a bad run.
Liverpool in the box seat now. Four defeats in a row in all competitions for Villa.
Good to see City struggling but it's only November and they're still on course for 80 points with their current pace. An no need of reminders of how their form goes on run ins.
Still though, they're bound to regress eventually and this could be the year. If they win next 2 games though the narrative swings massively again. Xmas/New year will be a better indicator. Liverpool are still their only threat at the moment and the general consensus is that they are over performing. Brighton and Forest will fall back. Would be good to see Chelsea and Arsenal pick up the pace and keep more pressure on Pep's men in case the scousers hit a wall.
Good weekend for Liverpool with none of their rivals winning.
Utd only 4 points off 3rd :o
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-coote-liverpool-premier-league-34083739.amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-coote-liverpool-premier-league-34083739.amp)
This is the referee that didn't give the free kick to Salah when he was taken down through on goal...
Edit: a followup. Here's a list of the ridiculous decisions against Liverpool in the last few years where he's been involved. It's an absolute scandal.
https://x.com/anythinglfc_/status/1855974486291464678?s=46&t=RYtl0Il2l5K_ejkHKyVHiA (https://x.com/anythinglfc_/status/1855974486291464678?s=46&t=RYtl0Il2l5K_ejkHKyVHiA)
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 11, 2024, 03:32:59 PMhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-coote-liverpool-premier-league-34083739.amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-coote-liverpool-premier-league-34083739.amp)
This is the referee that didn't give the free kick to Salah when he was taken down through on goal...
He was the ref that didn't give the penalty for Odegaards handball last year, also involved in the Derby where Mane's goal was overruled and Pickford did VDDs knee. Few other questionable decisions in big games. He's a bad egg...
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 11, 2024, 03:41:26 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on November 11, 2024, 03:32:59 PMhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-coote-liverpool-premier-league-34083739.amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-coote-liverpool-premier-league-34083739.amp)
This is the referee that didn't give the free kick to Salah when he was taken down through on goal...
He was the ref that didn't give the penalty for Odegaards handball last year, also involved in the Derby where Mane's goal was overruled and Pickford did VDDs knee. Few other questionable decisions in big games. He's a bad egg...
Pickfords leg break on VVD which wasnt deemded a foul.
Rodris handball v Everton which cost us the title.
Odegaards handball which cost us a title'.
Burnley game in 2020 which cost us 100% home record.
It goes on and on.
Let's be real here if you had to stand and listen to Klopp on the sideline for 90mins not sure too many of us would be coming away with anything other than the same opinion.
Quote from: NAG1 on November 11, 2024, 04:02:55 PMLet's be real here if you had to stand and listen to Klopp on the sideline for 90mins not sure too many of us would be coming away with anything other than the same opinion.
It's one thing thinking it or saying it "off camera" but allowing someone to video you saying it, seriously. Career in England over I'm guessing
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 11, 2024, 04:10:50 PMQuote from: NAG1 on November 11, 2024, 04:02:55 PMLet's be real here if you had to stand and listen to Klopp on the sideline for 90mins not sure too many of us would be coming away with anything other than the same opinion.
It's one thing thinking it or saying it "off camera" but allowing someone to video you saying it, seriously. Career in England over I'm guessing
Agreed - completely ridiculous in his position.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 11, 2024, 03:53:47 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 11, 2024, 03:41:26 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on November 11, 2024, 03:32:59 PMhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-coote-liverpool-premier-league-34083739.amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-coote-liverpool-premier-league-34083739.amp)
This is the referee that didn't give the free kick to Salah when he was taken down through on goal...
He was the ref that didn't give the penalty for Odegaards handball last year, also involved in the Derby where Mane's goal was overruled and Pickford did VDDs knee. Few other questionable decisions in big games. He's a bad egg...
Pickfords leg break on VVD which wasnt deemded a foul.
Rodris handball v Everton which cost us the title.
Odegaards handball which cost us a title'.
Burnley game in 2020 which cost us 100% home record.
It goes on and on.
Don't think he was ref for the Rodri handball but he clearly has bias...paranoia eh?
What an absolute weapon to think this wouldn't come back and bite him
He was nothing to do with the Rodri handball match.
Odegaard handball didn't cost Liverpool a title, they finished 14 points behind city
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 11, 2024, 04:21:21 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on November 11, 2024, 03:53:47 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 11, 2024, 03:41:26 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on November 11, 2024, 03:32:59 PMhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-coote-liverpool-premier-league-34083739.amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-coote-liverpool-premier-league-34083739.amp)
This is the referee that didn't give the free kick to Salah when he was taken down through on goal...
He was the ref that didn't give the penalty for Odegaards handball last year, also involved in the Derby where Mane's goal was overruled and Pickford did VDDs knee. Few other questionable decisions in big games. He's a bad egg...
Pickfords leg break on VVD which wasnt deemded a foul.
Rodris handball v Everton which cost us the title.
Odegaards handball which cost us a title'.
Burnley game in 2020 which cost us 100% home record.
It goes on and on.
Don't think he was ref for the Rodri handball but he clearly has bias...paranoia eh?
Wasn't on VAR either
But don't let the truth get in the way of a good conspiracy
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce8y6zqjgdyo (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce8y6zqjgdyo)
That's this man's career over me thinks
Quote from: lurganblue on November 11, 2024, 04:36:02 PMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce8y6zqjgdyo (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce8y6zqjgdyo)
That's this man's career over me thinks
A pure f**king cnut, there is serious corruption in the PGMOL
These referee's are getting serious notions with would-be pundit roles and voiceover support
The less seen or heard of the clowns the better, I would say a quick days training and you could put the international rugby referee fraternity into the premier league and get better results
For 3 years he wasnt assigned a Liverpool game, which is extraordinary when you think of how few referees there are. Did someone else know he hated Liverpool FC?
Quote from: lurganblue on November 11, 2024, 04:36:02 PMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce8y6zqjgdyo (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce8y6zqjgdyo)
That's this man's career over me thinks
Just seen the video, from a years ago? and saying Klopp is cnut and the other fella with him saying all scousers are bellends.
(https://scontent.fdub3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/460317479_857765363128990_5726231375703263429_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=-cWP7bdfK2QQ7kNvgHGMyLL&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fdub3-2.fna&_nc_gid=A-zNuTNZZKJPCRJr0Fzh_Yf&oh=00_AYA9gu370OFG8n8UHzliIklIHqo5zuQYjSuovH1O8LX1Mg&oe=673808D3)
Is there any possibility at all that this may be one of those AI generated videos or deepfake or whatever they called.
Quote from: Turf on November 11, 2024, 05:40:28 PMIs there any possibility at all that this may be one of those AI generated videos or deepfake or whatever they called.
If he's any sense he'll say it is lol
Quote from: Turf on November 11, 2024, 05:40:28 PMIs there any possibility at all that this may be one of those AI generated videos or deepfake or whatever they called.
Was thinking that, no way anyone can be that stupid
Quote from: gawa316 on November 11, 2024, 05:52:22 PMQuote from: Turf on November 11, 2024, 05:40:28 PMIs there any possibility at all that this may be one of those AI generated videos or deepfake or whatever they called.
Was thinking that, no way anyone can be that stupid
If you're on the powder you can be (apparently)
Quote from: JoG2 on November 11, 2024, 06:03:44 PMQuote from: gawa316 on November 11, 2024, 05:52:22 PMQuote from: Turf on November 11, 2024, 05:40:28 PMIs there any possibility at all that this may be one of those AI generated videos or deepfake or whatever they called.
Was thinking that, no way anyone can be that stupid
If you're on the powder you can be (apparently)
Looks cooked out of it, will play the mental health card and become a pity case.
Quote from: Turf on November 11, 2024, 05:40:28 PMIs there any possibility at all that this may be one of those AI generated videos or deepfake or whatever they called.
Was starting to honestly think that after he was vehemently denying it earlier on. An hour or 2 passed and hes admitted it.
I'm a Liverpool fan and think this is the biggest storm in a teacup I've ever witnessed. Called Klopp a **** whilst clearly being drunk and/or on coke. I'd be fairly sure you wouldn't have to feed drink into any PL referee to get them to get them to slate the current crop of PL managers. The worst thing he had to say about Liverpool was that they were shit, hardly seems like a colossal burning grudge against the club.
As for the "calls" that cost Liverpool points they are marginal calls in my eyes (with the exception of VVD being hacked by that donkey Pickford). I've seen Liverpool benefit from plenty of handballs that weren't given, Trent has got away with them on more than one occasion. I'd be much more aggrieved with the referee at Tottenham last year who harshly sent off 2 Liverpool players.
Personally if he apologised and gets suspended for a bit I'd think it punishment enough for an act of stupidity. I'd hate to have everything that I've said or done whilst drunk recorded and played to the public, I'd be certain that I'd lose my job if that was the case and I'd imagine it's also true for the 90% plus of the people calling for this guys head.
Sorry to see the bbc comments section turned off for this issue.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 11, 2024, 07:22:29 PMQuote from: Turf on November 11, 2024, 05:40:28 PMIs there any possibility at all that this may be one of those AI generated videos or deepfake or whatever they called.
Was starting to honestly think that after he was vehemently denying it earlier on. An hour or 2 passed and hes admitted it.
You have to be so careful if you're in that type of position where impartiality is so important to your credibility and reputation. He's blown it, big time. Incredibly stupid to allow himself to be compromised like that.
Lineker to leave MOTD at end of season
Who will replace him? Someone who ticks 10 boxes, id imagine
They BBC have ruined Top Gear, Question of sport and football focus , so no doubt they'll ruin MOTD (even more) with their dull formats and box ticking presenters
Quote from: trileacman on November 11, 2024, 07:40:29 PMI'm a Liverpool fan and think this is the biggest storm in a teacup I've ever witnessed. Called Klopp a **** whilst clearly being drunk and/or on coke. I'd be fairly sure you wouldn't have to feed drink into any PL referee to get them to get them to slate the current crop of PL managers. The worst thing he had to say about Liverpool was that they were shit, hardly seems like a colossal burning grudge against the club.
As for the "calls" that cost Liverpool points they are marginal calls in my eyes (with the exception of VVD being hacked by that donkey Pickford). I've seen Liverpool benefit from plenty of handballs that weren't given, Trent has got away with them on more than one occasion. I'd be much more aggrieved with the referee at Tottenham last year who harshly sent off 2 Liverpool players.
Personally if he apologised and gets suspended for a bit I'd think it punishment enough for an act of stupidity. I'd hate to have everything that I've said or done whilst drunk recorded and played to the public, I'd be certain that I'd lose my job if that was the case and I'd imagine it's also true for the 90% plus of the people calling for this guys head.
100% right on this. The outrage online is bordering on maniacal... if Liverpool don't want refs to hate them then Klopp shouldn't have acted the ****.
Of course referees will have managers they like and dislike. If managers had any sense they'd be more sound to referees as being a p***k is never going to work.
Whole thing is sad really. From his comments to his mate releasing the video to him losing his job and the dumbass Liverpool fans reckoning he's cost them league titles!
Appaling that his 'friends' let that go out. That's the world we live in. Horrible and very little real loyalty.
That's why these lads have to be so careful. You never know what **** will sell you out. And while I feel bad for him on a human level (albeit knowing nothing whatsoever about him personally), you can't get away from the fact that by having his personal views become public record, his credibility as a ref is damaged.
Obviously everyone has personal opinions on all kinds of things, but if your job requires that you set certain views aside to impartially adjudicate, you can't be allowing yourself to get into positions where you run your mouth on a record that may become public.
This has layers.
There are decisions he gives to teams playing Liverpool.
There are decisions he doesn't give to Liverpool.
There are decisions he gives to Liverpool's rivals.
There are decisions he doesn't give to teams playing a rival of liverpool.
Will there be many games he could referee without scrutiny?
Var is used as a means to correct 'mistakes' if there was a wrong call, thats serious it can be reviewed.
ones looking to say he was biased in his games don't really know how a ref can make those split second decisions based purely on cheating a team.
Having beef with a manager who berates you from kick off will obviously make you think he's a p***k. He though should have known better with that recording
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 11, 2024, 10:23:05 PMVar is used as a means to correct 'mistakes' if there was a wrong call, thats serious it can be reviewed.
ones looking to say he was biased in his games don't really know how a ref can make those split second decisions based purely on cheating a team.
Having beef with a manager who berates you from kick off will obviously make you think he's a p***k. He though should have known better with that recording
Pickford didn't (and couldn't) get punished because the incident had been reviewed by Coote on VAR. The lack of punishment meant he had bloody seen it. So there was no oversight or the old Wenger line "I did not see it". The ref didn't see it hence it had to be reviewed. And the ref came out later and said Pickford should have been sent off, thus undermining Coote. But nothing of note happened to Coote (that I can recall).
So the ref afterwards said it was a sending off (no doubt having seen it for himself, something Coote did not tell him to do when he reviewed it). The BT commentators as it happened called it a "horror tackle". And Crouch at half-time called it a "leg breaker". And that night Shearer on MOTD said: "It was an awful challenge, terrible. The first mistake is Michael Oliver doesn't spot it. Then how can the VAR not recommend that the ref have another look at it? It's a clear red card."
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 12, 2024, 08:44:53 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 11, 2024, 10:23:05 PMVar is used as a means to correct 'mistakes' if there was a wrong call, thats serious it can be reviewed.
ones looking to say he was biased in his games don't really know how a ref can make those split second decisions based purely on cheating a team.
Having beef with a manager who berates you from kick off will obviously make you think he's a p***k. He though should have known better with that recording
Pickford didn't (and couldn't) get punished because the incident had been reviewed by Coote on VAR. The lack of punishment meant he had bloody seen it. So there was no oversight or the old Wenger line "I did not see it". The ref didn't see it hence it had to be reviewed. And the ref came out later and said Pickford should have been sent off, thus undermining Coote. But nothing of note happened to Coote (that I can recall).
So the ref afterwards said it was a sending off (no doubt having seen it for himself, something Coote did not tell him to do when he reviewed it). The BT commentators as it happened called it a "horror tackle". And Crouch at half-time called it a "leg breaker". And that night Shearer on MOTD said: "It was an awful challenge, terrible. The first mistake is Michael Oliver doesn't spot it. Then how can the VAR not recommend that the ref have another look at it? It's a clear red card."
Maybe he liked them then? He probably just didn't like them after being verbally abused one day after a game? Maybe its knee jerk reaction after a game and few drinks, says something stupid (which happens here a lot) and will regret it.
The premier league cabal of referees have serious notions that anyone gives a f**k about them as personalities or that they are relevant within the media as experts, the continually out themselves as incompetent and corrupt, replace them with rugby referees given 1 weeks training and you'd see an improvement
Quote from: tiempo on November 12, 2024, 09:44:44 AMThe premier league cabal of referees have serious notions that anyone gives a f**k about them as personalities or that they are relevant within the media as experts, the continually out themselves as incompetent and corrupt, replace them with rugby referees given 1 weeks training and you'd see an improvement
Christ rugby refs are f**king worse with their notions. Nigel Owens is an awful knob.
Is that Nigel that retired in 2020 😜
I would say that a ref in the English leagues would at a push make one mistake a game, if your lucky.
Compare that with a GAA game and you'd go home happy if the ref only missed about 5 certs.
If ref's were biased it would show up straight away, the game is analyzed within millimeters and in most occasions there is ones that will say it was and others that will say it wasn't a foul.
I'd say it would be impossible to deliberately cheat as a ref in the PL, if you worked that hard to get to that position and piss it all away by being biased, then you'd be a fool, the biggest p***k in all of this is the guy that uploaded that video
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2024, 01:41:00 PMI would say that a ref in the English leagues would at a push make one mistake a game, if your lucky.
Compare that with a GAA game and you'd go home happy if the ref only missed about 5 certs.
If ref's were biased it would show up straight away, the game is analyzed within millimeters and in most occasions there is ones that will say it was and others that will say it wasn't a foul.
I'd say it would be impossible to deliberately cheat as a ref in the PL, if you worked that hard to get to that position and piss it all away by being biased, then you'd be a fool, the biggest p***k in all of this is the guy that uploaded that video
Absolutely. That is the way society has went unfortunately.
Quote from: J70 on November 11, 2024, 09:36:53 PMThat's why these lads have to be so careful. You never know what **** will sell you out. And while I feel bad for him on a human level (albeit knowing nothing whatsoever about him personally), you can't get away from the fact that by having his personal views become public record, his credibility as a ref is damaged.
Obviously everyone has personal opinions on all kinds of things, but if your job requires that you set certain views aside to impartially adjudicate, you can't be allowing yourself to get into positions where you run your mouth on a record that may become public.
The ref's mistake was being so off guard that he didn't consider to delete the video, that's all. Whereas Klopp was an obnoxious cxnt in his dealings with the officials,the penalties dished out to him were paltry in comparison to the extent of the abusive rants he directed at officials when his team were struggling.
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 11, 2024, 08:56:28 PMLineker to leave MOTD at end of season
Who will replace him? Someone who ticks 10 boxes, id imagine
They BBC have ruined Top Gear, Question of sport and football focus , so no doubt they'll ruin MOTD (even more) with their dull formats and box ticking presenters
It'll no doubt be Alex Scott.
Quote from: lurganblue on November 13, 2024, 12:35:00 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on November 11, 2024, 08:56:28 PMLineker to leave MOTD at end of season
Who will replace him? Someone who ticks 10 boxes, id imagine
They BBC have ruined Top Gear, Question of sport and football focus , so no doubt they'll ruin MOTD (even more) with their dull formats and box ticking presenters
It'll no doubt be Alex Scott.
The ex footballer?
That'll never work.
The Beeb does seem determined to self sabotage the validity of their licence fee.
Quote from: lurganblue on November 13, 2024, 12:35:00 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on November 11, 2024, 08:56:28 PMLineker to leave MOTD at end of season
Who will replace him? Someone who ticks 10 boxes, id imagine
They BBC have ruined Top Gear, Question of sport and football focus , so no doubt they'll ruin MOTD (even more) with their dull formats and box ticking presenters
It'll no doubt be Alex Scott.
Looks like the new presenter will be woman with Alex Scott,Kelly Cates and Gabby Logan all linked. One man in Mark Chapman is short odds also.
Cates is too slow and boring voice.. Gaby past her sell by date, Alex Scot is very good but Mark Chapman is hands down the better presenter
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2024, 06:00:38 PMCates is too slow and boring voice.. Gaby past her sell by date, Alex Scot is very good but Mark Chapman is hands down the better presenter
Alex Scott can't even speak clearly half the time
Mark Chapman is the best option but I don't think he will get it . Most likely it'll be Scott, as she ticks more boxes than Chapman
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2024, 06:00:38 PMCates is too slow and boring voice.. Gaby past her sell by date, Alex Scot is very good but Mark Chapman is hands down the better presenter
Gaby Logan is 12 years younger Gary Lineker and the same age as Mark Chapman.
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 13, 2024, 06:50:35 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2024, 06:00:38 PMCates is too slow and boring voice.. Gaby past her sell by date, Alex Scot is very good but Mark Chapman is hands down the better presenter
Gaby Logan is 12 years younger Gary Lineker and the same age as Mark Chapman.
Not sure I mentioned age, but sell by date in the form of being a tv sports presenter for years.
Chapman would be known in sports initially as radio, and past few years getting more tv..
Scott is an ex footballer at least, prettier than Chapman, so she may get it over him..
Another video of Coote. This one showing him snorting a white powder whilst on duty at the Euros. It gets worse and worse...
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 13, 2024, 08:36:40 PMAnother video of Coote. This one showing him snorting a white powder whilst on duty at the Euros. It gets worse and worse...
And new images coming out.
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Spurs 3-0 up
The empire is crumbling
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 23, 2024, 06:52:06 PMSpurs 3-0 up
The empire is crumbling
Still time for Spurs to do a Spurs.
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 23, 2024, 06:52:06 PMSpurs 3-0 up
The empire is crumbling
The Pep Guardiola contract extension hasn't provided a bounce. Will be 5 consecutive losses for Man City. A total tailspin since losing Rodri to a long term injury.
Captain Boring Obvious post about Liverpool's league to lose incoming.....
Pep Guardiola playing 3-D chess and getting them relegated before the charges hit.
Liverpool supporters like jcpen right now.
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Quote from: jcpen on November 23, 2024, 07:08:48 PMCaptain Boring Obvious post about Liverpool's league to lose incoming.....
It's officially no longer in city's hands after this evening.
Would be a complete collapse from this point.
So is the new manager better than Kloop, and did hinder more championships?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2024, 09:40:45 PMWould be a complete collapse from this point.
So is the new manager better than Kloop, and did hinder more championships?
5 points ahead, and it's.........(checks notes) November ?
Quote from: Deerstalker on November 23, 2024, 10:09:03 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2024, 09:40:45 PMWould be a complete collapse from this point.
So is the new manager better than Kloop, and did hinder more championships?
5 points ahead, and it's.........(checks notes) November ?
Complete miserable Cnuts ;D
For such a successful club the negativity is unreal
Quote from: Deerstalker on November 23, 2024, 10:09:03 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2024, 09:40:45 PMWould be a complete collapse from this point.
So is the new manager better than Kloop, and did hinder more championships?
5 points ahead, and it's.........(checks notes) November ?
Less than 1/3 of matches played and they're at this shit! Chelsea up at the top table is a change.
Matheus Cunha was fantastic for Wolves today. Looks a great player.
City more chance of finishing 5th than 1st the way they've been playing.
Don't see a winning run coming for them with Gundogan and Lewis in midfield
Arsenal the only team that could possibly stop Liverpool I think but that's unlikely
Liverpool 11 ahewd by next weekend? Mad
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2024, 11:23:43 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on November 23, 2024, 10:09:03 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2024, 09:40:45 PMWould be a complete collapse from this point.
So is the new manager better than Kloop, and did hinder more championships?
5 points ahead, and it's.........(checks notes) November ?
Less than 1/3 of matches played and they're at this shit! Chelsea up at the top table is a change.
Weren't Man United 8 points clear with only 5 games left and still managed to lose the title, think it was the year of the Agueroooooo goal.Man United Superfan Captain Obvious is sure to know..
Long way to go yet but a nice position for you Liverpool fans to be in all the same.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2024, 09:40:45 PMWould be a complete collapse from this point.
So is the new manager better than Kloop, and did hinder more championships?
This is the sweetest reason being in this position. All my united and Arsenal friends have been texting me this despite a few weeks ago saying we had no chance.
No Liverpool fan I know are getting over excited. I've seen us get 97 and 93 points and still not win it. We are in pole position but there's a long way to go.
The same people saying it would be a collapse to lose it from here, are the same ones who didn't predict us to finish in the top 4 with Klopp leaving.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on November 23, 2024, 11:30:50 PMMatheus Cunha was fantastic for Wolves today. Looks a great player.
They'll be doing well to hold onto him.
Ait-nouri is attracting attention from the big boys too.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on November 23, 2024, 11:30:50 PMMatheus Cunha was fantastic for Wolves today. Looks a great player.
I was just thinking about how good Cunha was yesterday. Utd wasted a fortune On that Zirkzee dose , when Cunha would have been a far better option
Extremely slow pace to this season bar Liverpool who are setting a good high 80s points tally tempo. If they become unstuck though it could be a very interesting season and a real coin toss.
City the real news of the season so far with Pep doing a Rashford at the moment. They still have quality, players to come back and form to improve so I do think they'll pick up the pace. Even yesterday if Haaland could take any sort of chance that game would have been done and dusted after 15 mins and the narrative today very different. Still though long may it continue.
Interesting to see how Man Utd get on with the new man today. I think he's a very good appointment, exactly the type they need. First time you could say that since Ferguson left. And despite the bad start to the season they are sniffing around the CL spots with a win today.
The way things are at the moment, this table is setup for a team to go on any sort of a run. Ok, Liverpool are in control and City should improve but nothing is guaranteed. I think Chelsea look solid enough and have goals in them. 18/1 for the league is tempting. And Utd at 150/1 is very tempting. Long odds and rightly so but if Amiron lights a fire under them and say they start getting balls into the box and Hojlund can start banging in a few, you'll never get them at those odds again. Fair enough you'll probably not be cashing in, but you might get a nice cash out.
Liverpool's form is heading towards the mid 90 points and probably won't need to reach that tally as form of others suggests 82 to 85 points will be enough to win the league title this season
United's squad is one of overpayment and undermotivation.
If you think any manager - let alone a 39 year old with minimal experience of managing overpaid, under motivated wankers, and none at all of doing so in a top league - is going to turn that around immediately, you've been reading too much Roy of the Rovers.
They won't finish in the top four. They'll do well to make a European place. And they'll be back in the same spot in 12-18 months time as they were 3 weeks ago.
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 24, 2024, 11:52:35 AMLiverpool's form is heading towards the mid 90 points and probably won't need to reach that tally as form of others suggests 82 to 85 points will be enough to win the league title this season
If they win today but you need to allow them a few losses. Well on course for high 80s.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 24, 2024, 11:58:16 AMUnited's squad is one of overpayment and undermotivation.
If you think any manager - let alone a 39 year old with minimal experience of managing overpaid, under motivated wankers, and none at all of doing so in a top league - is going to turn that around immediately, you've been reading too much Roy of the Rovers.
They won't finish in the top four. They'll do well to make a European place. And they'll be back in the same spot in 12-18 months time as they were 3 weeks ago.
Saw a photo of Rashford sitting courtside at a Knicks match looking like a rapper. He should have been shifted a few years ago when he was worth something.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 24, 2024, 11:58:16 AMUnited's squad is one of overpayment and undermotivation.
If you think any manager - let alone a 39 year old with minimal experience of managing overpaid, under motivated wankers, and none at all of doing so in a top league - is going to turn that around immediately, you've been reading too much Roy of the Rovers.
They won't finish in the top four. They'll do well to make a European place. And they'll be back in the same spot in 12-18 months time as they were 3 weeks ago.
Understand that and I said the same about last few managers but I think this guy is a good fit for them. A couple of their new signings look decent. There is some gash there too but he seems the type to work and bring people along with him. If he gets a good new manager bounce and form of some of them improve, you'd think at this stage the club should have learned enough to cash out on them as soon as an acceptable offer comes in.
Ok, this season will be testing for him to say the least but expectations have been tempered a lot from the mess the club is in and he'll be given plenty of time so I absolutely would not be writing him off.
Quote from: Look-Up! on November 24, 2024, 12:07:18 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on November 24, 2024, 11:52:35 AMLiverpool's form is heading towards the mid 90 points and probably won't need to reach that tally as form of others suggests 82 to 85 points will be enough to win the league title this season
If they win today but you need to allow them a few losses. Well on course for high 80s.
It's like Liverpool aren't allowed to have a sticky patch, if they do they will be labeled bottlers ::)
A couple of draws here or there and the gap reduces easily enough. It's November ffs Man City aren't even out of the title race yet, they could be going into the game at Anfield if Liverpool don't win today only 5-6 points behind and every possibility of them beating Liverpool in that game.
These knee jerk reactions these days are hilarious every time a team loses a few games.
Quote from: Turf on November 24, 2024, 12:43:57 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on November 24, 2024, 12:07:18 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on November 24, 2024, 11:52:35 AMLiverpool's form is heading towards the mid 90 points and probably won't need to reach that tally as form of others suggests 82 to 85 points will be enough to win the league title this season
If they win today but you need to allow them a few losses. Well on course for high 80s.
It's like Liverpool aren't allowed to have a sticky patch, if they do they will be labeled bottlers ::)
A couple of draws here or there and the gap reduces easily enough. It's November ffs Man City aren't even out of the title race yet, they could be going into the game at Anfield if Liverpool don't win today only 5-6 points behind and every possibility of them beating Liverpool in that game.
These knee jerk reactions these days are hilarious every time a team loses a few games.
Exactly. Xmas period is tough and an injury here or there, loss of form or bad VAR can drastically change the picture. Get over that in good shape and the table early January is worth talking about. But then there's Feb-March still to navigate with fighting competitions on multiple fronts that really tests squads to their limits and sorts the wheat out from the chaff.
Jesus, nothings won on the board bar a few bites, fecking moaning bottlers
This is how you win league titles. Winning games where you've been d**ked about.
Another name on the trophy type win for Liverpool. The poor mouthing from their supporters needs to be binned now.
Rode their luck today, good win for them all the same, still though they lose to City next week and it's back to 5 points.
Plenty of twists and turns in this race yet.
Quote from: jcpen on November 24, 2024, 04:09:14 PMRode their luck today, good win for them all the same, still though they lose to City next week and it's back to 5 points.
Plenty of twists and turns in this race yet.
City missed a rake of chances yesterday too. If and when Haaland clicks (hopefully not for another few weeks!), they'll be right back in it.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2024, 03:07:56 PMJesus, nothings won on the board bar a few bites, fecking moaning bottlers
Bites better than bantz, that is the real modern dilemma? Our species is evolving rightly
No new manager bounce for Man United.Dose of reality for Amorim, thought Ipswich were great, probably should have won.
Quote from: jcpen on November 24, 2024, 06:30:17 PMNo new manager bounce for Man United.Dose of reality for Amorim, thought Ipswich were great, probably should have won.
He could be the greatest manager ever , but we'll never find out at United. Because let's face it , he's working with the same shower of useless toerags
You might say the 2 aul lads starting isn't great but yo me it highlights the fact so many of the United players are tactically brain dead.
Casimero and Eriksen obviously can take on info better. Likewise Evans.
Leicester City have sacked their manager Steve Cooper, he took over the Leicester on a three-year deal from former boss Enzo Maresca just five months ago. Enzo Maresca left for Chelsea and has them 3rd in the table.
Quote from: Look-Up! on November 24, 2024, 01:55:28 PMQuote from: Turf on November 24, 2024, 12:43:57 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on November 24, 2024, 12:07:18 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on November 24, 2024, 11:52:35 AMLiverpool's form is heading towards the mid 90 points and probably won't need to reach that tally as form of others suggests 82 to 85 points will be enough to win the league title this season
If they win today but you need to allow them a few losses. Well on course for high 80s.
It's like Liverpool aren't allowed to have a sticky patch, if they do they will be labeled bottlers ::)
A couple of draws here or there and the gap reduces easily enough. It's November ffs Man City aren't even out of the title race yet, they could be going into the game at Anfield if Liverpool don't win today only 5-6 points behind and every possibility of them beating Liverpool in that game.
These knee jerk reactions these days are hilarious every time a team loses a few games.
Exactly. Xmas period is tough and an injury here or there, loss of form or bad VAR can drastically change the picture. Get over that in good shape and the table early January is worth talking about. But then there's Feb-March still to navigate with fighting competitions on multiple fronts that really tests squads to their limits and sorts the wheat out from the chaff.
It was January-March which derailed Liverpool last year. Salah never properly found his form and sharpness after the AFCON injury. Trent missed a load of matches. We all remember the lineouts in the cups, including that final at Wembley. Then the decisions or brainfarts as you say (Doku's karate kick on McAllister comes to mind. As does Quansah gifting United a way back into a ludicrously one-sided game at OT).
Six months of the season left to go. At some point City and Arsenal will reel them in to a manageable gap, and then it's all about holding your nerve and fitness and form.
Here's it simply put, others teams are playing poor and Liverpool winning games while not at their best, so Liverpool will improve, the other teams may improve but City have won 4 in a row, that's some commitment to go at it again while their lynchpins (Rodri, Kevin) injured most of year.
Liking Chelsea's form but not sure they will get enough points to challenge, Arsenal have shown they bottle, and Villa are squad thin
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2024, 08:04:46 PMHere's it simply put, others teams are playing poor and Liverpool winning games while not at their best, so Liverpool will improve, the other teams may improve but City have won 4 in a row, that's some commitment to go at it again while their lynchpins (Rodri, Kevin) injured most of year.
Liking Chelsea's form but not sure they will get enough points to challenge, Arsenal have shown they bottle, and Villa are squad thin
Chelsea could be dark horses. Champions league killing Villa. Arsenal don't have an out and out Striker. City look to be having their 2019/20 season again. 31.5% of the way and looking good for Liverpool. 68.5% left - what could happen in that time?
Great win for Liverpool. Always a big deal to come back from behind and 3 more points in the bag. Might have been a bit lucky I thought with a few decisions but plenty of good teams would have dropped points today from that position. Salah is some unit, beast of a man.
Man Utd were poor I thought or at least same same. Low energy press, watery midfield and some poor decisions going forward. Lack decisiveness. Thought they might have showed a bit more today but he'll need a few games, although it'll need to happen soon to salvage something tangible from the league at least this season.
Huge game next week with City and Liverpool. Liverpool are almost at the end of the difficult run that was supposed to burst their bubble this season but the very opposite is happening. Winning next week will be a massive statement. City are City and you would expect a backlash from them after their last 5 games but they are human too and maybe the last few seasons has finally caught up with them. They've played a ridiculous amount of games plus with the Euros this summer the batteries might finally be emptied. Next weekend will tell a tale.
The run that really examines Liverpool is only starting next week. If they get to Christmas in good shape, there's no stopping them.
I thought there would be a city backlash after 4 losses on the bounce, especially with the international break.
They then proceeded to lose 4 nil at home.
Usually a team that has a lead like this at this stage (albeit with 2 thirds of the season to go) normally goes on to win the title. So Liverpool are in a great position to win the thing. The chances are with the run of games coming up and through Christmas Liverpool will drop some points in the coming weeks, but they just need to expect this is a possibility, and hold their nerve. Chances are City and Arsenal will drop a few more too.
Quote from: Armamike on November 25, 2024, 10:26:42 AMUsually a team that has a lead like this at this stage (albeit with 2 thirds of the season to go) normally goes on to win the title. So Liverpool are in a great position to win the thing. The chances are with the run of games coming up and through Christmas Liverpool will drop some points in the coming weeks, but they just need to expect this is a possibility, and hold their nerve. Chances are City and Arsenal will drop a few more too.
Fully expect City to win at Anfield next week. Liverpool have scraped through a few games and City will know that a defeat will severely hurt them so they will raise their game. Arsenal have all their injuries clearing up so expect them to go on a run of wins to close the gap as well.
Think yesterday showed how important it is to get Jota back. If Nunez is off it, he gives something different up front.
Wouldn't go as far as to say I'd expect City to win at Anfield, but half expecting a draw. City rarely win at Anfield even when they're at the top of their game.
Have any of you watched City recently? They are a pale shadow of the team they were, and I'd be very surprised if Liverpool don't beat them comfortably.
Quote from: Armamike on November 25, 2024, 10:26:42 AMUsually a team that has a lead like this at this stage (albeit with 2 thirds of the season to go) normally goes on to win the title. So Liverpool are in a great position to win the thing. The chances are with the run of games coming up and through Christmas Liverpool will drop some points in the coming weeks, but they just need to expect this is a possibility, and hold their nerve. Chances are City and Arsenal will drop a few more too.
I see it's biggest lead any team has held at this stage of the season for 30 years.
Quote from: StephenC on November 25, 2024, 01:44:46 PMHave any of you watched City recently? They are a pale shadow of the team they were, and I'd be very surprised if Liverpool don't beat them comfortably.
Kyle Walker has been awful and Temo Werner showing him a clean pair of heels.
City are missing Rodri something awful.
I'm expecting Liverpool to win by 2 on Sunday.
Thank god the Ulster final is on TG4 at the same time.
Massive game this weekend, one of those that neutrals will really look forward to.
Liverpool clear favourites with the bookies and justifiably so but there's enough quality in either team where anything could happen and you'd expect goals galore. City are creating plenty of chances, you'd imagine they will start converting them sooner or later. But uncharacteristically for them they look jittery at the back. Before when they took the lead you'd say game done and dusted but even now when they go a couple up, you feel they are only one mistake away from a collapse. Liverpool were similar for a few seasons. But they look so solid now. Like all good teams they seem to be getting the bounce of the ball too. And Salah is looking like a man reborn and with goals elsewhere, they are not totally relying on him. Couldn't be in a better place going into this.
That's how the bookies have it anyway, but form is fickle and often times not worth a continental going into a big match like this. So Liverpool will see it as a game to really cement their position and make a massive statement in front of the Kop, but City will see it as the best possible opportunity to buck the trend of the season and put a line through all that has happened so far. Honestly there's no result that would surprise me and couldn't call it either way. Just looking forward to a cracker.
0-0 written all over it
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2024, 01:52:19 PM0-0 written all over it
That's probably the only score line would surprise me TBH. It's 20/1 with some bookies. Haaland to score first and Liverpool to win is about 23/1 with PP. I'd pick that quicker if I am to bet.
Also will Konate be playing? I'd have thought that would impact things a bit. Is Bradley's injury bad? I didn't see the game last night but by all accounts he was outstanding. What's the story with TAA at the minute? He was a sub - is he only coming back or rested or even dropped?
Saying Konate not as bad feared time will tell. I'd say doubtful for sun
Taa coming back from injury
Bradley was class but seemed to do hammy with about 3 to go...
Who's next choice central defender? Gomes again?
Ruud van Nistelrooy is the new Manager at Leicester City.
Shocking bit of micro managing there from VAR to rule out that Southampton goal. Took them nearly five minutes and eventually they found a fault.
That's a brutal penalty decision. West Ham keeper never took his eyes off the ball.
Ridiculous
For a 3rd season in a row Arsenal on course for 2nd place finish. 5-2 winners tonight with match won and all goals scored in the first half. Liverpool could well do the same tomorrow when playing Manchester City at home at the perfect time.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 30, 2024, 08:00:34 PMFor a 3rd season in a row Arsenal on course for 2nd place finish. 5-2 winners tonight with match won and all goals scored in the first half. Liverpool could well do the same tomorrow when playing Manchester City at home at the perfect time.
Yes, Arsenal have proven themselves to be a consistent top team. It's not easy to be a top team and do this over a couple of years. There are a lot of clubs who have spent more money than them who can only dream of their consistency.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2024, 08:16:15 PMYes, Arsenal have proven themselves to be a consistent top team. It's not easy to be a top team and do this over a couple of years. There are a lot of clubs who have spent more money than them who can only dream of their consistency.
Any consistent top team needs to be winning trophies and even most Arsenal supporters will admit now is the the time to deliver and not end another season trophyless. Won't win the league (Liverpool unlikely to slip up) still domestic and European cup to win so long as Liverpool take the eye off the ball in any of those competitions.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 30, 2024, 08:35:57 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2024, 08:16:15 PMYes, Arsenal have proven themselves to be a consistent top team. It's not easy to be a top team and do this over a couple of years. There are a lot of clubs who have spent more money than them who can only dream of their consistency.
Any consistent top team needs to be winning trophies and even most Arsenal supporters will admit now is the the time to deliver and not end another season trophyless. Won't win the league (Liverpool unlikely to slip up) still domestic and European cup to win so long as Liverpool take the eye off the ball in any of those competitions.
Yeah, of course. But it's not an easy thing to do. Making a breakthrough takes a huge push and a bit of luck. There are a plethora of clubs in the Premiership who would be delighted to be as good as Arsenal.
Quote from: jcpen on November 30, 2024, 06:20:38 PMThat's a brutal penalty decision. West Ham keeper never took his eyes off the ball.
Ridiculous
Getting punched in the face is a clear penalty, every player who fouls in the box has eyes for the ball, not much of a defence that.
Quote from: Sheedy on December 01, 2024, 09:30:03 AMQuote from: jcpen on November 30, 2024, 06:20:38 PMThat's a brutal penalty decision. West Ham keeper never took his eyes off the ball.
Ridiculous
Getting punched in the face is a clear penalty, every player who fouls in the box has eyes for the ball, not much of a defence that.
Yeah, stone wall penalty for me as well.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2024, 09:05:39 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on November 30, 2024, 08:35:57 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2024, 08:16:15 PMYes, Arsenal have proven themselves to be a consistent top team. It's not easy to be a top team and do this over a couple of years. There are a lot of clubs who have spent more money than them who can only dream of their consistency.
Any consistent top team needs to be winning trophies and even most Arsenal supporters will admit now is the the time to deliver and not end another season trophyless. Won't win the league (Liverpool unlikely to slip up) still domestic and European cup to win so long as Liverpool take the eye off the ball in any of those competitions.
Yeah, of course. But it's not an easy thing to do. Making a breakthrough takes a huge push and a bit of luck. There are a plethora of clubs in the Premiership who would be delighted to be as good as Arsenal.
Man United Superfan Captain Obvious would only love his team to be as consistent as Arsenal.
Still well in the title race along with Man City and possibly even Chelsea.
Man United should really have their sights set on a Top 4 finish this season.
Not far off it after today.
Breathtaking from Liverpool.
This is more like Liverpool v Tranmere at the minute.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 01, 2024, 04:17:53 PMThis is more like Liverpool v Tranmere at the minute.
Should be further ahead though.
Fat lady clearing her throat at half time. Time for Liverpool supporters such as Jcpen to book the last weekend of May flights and accommodation to Liverpool to see their team pick up the league title for the first time in front of a crowd in Anfield since 1990.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 01, 2024, 04:55:00 PMFat lady clearing her throat at half time. Time for Liverpool supporters such as Jcpen to book the last weekend of May flights and accommodation to Liverpool to see their team pick up the league title for the first time in front of a crowd in Anfield since 1990.
You are as boring as my Uncle Jerry, and by christ he would bore you to tears, hats off
Quote from: JoG2 on December 01, 2024, 04:58:31 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on December 01, 2024, 04:55:00 PMFat lady clearing her throat at half time. Time for Liverpool supporters such as Jcpen to book the last weekend of May flights and accommodation to Liverpool to see their team pick up the league title for the first time in front of a crowd in Anfield since 1990.
You are as boring as my Uncle Jerry, and by christ he would bore you to tears, hats off
;D
Quote from: JoG2 on December 01, 2024, 04:58:31 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on December 01, 2024, 04:55:00 PMFat lady clearing her throat at half time. Time for Liverpool supporters such as Jcpen to book the last weekend of May flights and accommodation to Liverpool to see their team pick up the league title for the first time in front of a crowd in Anfield since 1990.
You are as boring as my Uncle Jerry, and by christ he would bore you to tears, hats off
It was nearly funny the first time. Now just spam. As funny as a dose of the clap.
Quote from: JoG2 on December 01, 2024, 04:58:31 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on December 01, 2024, 04:55:00 PMFat lady clearing her throat at half time. Time for Liverpool supporters such as Jcpen to book the last weekend of May flights and accommodation to Liverpool to see their team pick up the league title for the first time in front of a crowd in Anfield since 1990.
You are as boring as my Uncle Jerry, and by christ he would bore you to tears, hats off
I'd encourage you and Trueblue1234 to make the trip over to Liverpool that weekend with Jcpen. Shouldn't bore you even if you probably have to take turns to hold his hand as you wouldn't want that fragile chap to get lost.
Deserved win for Liverpool, not the 10-0 that some predicted though and they needed that penalty when it came, thought when Salah missed that chance that it could have been costly.
Arsenal and Chelsea right in it still but not looking great for City but only 13 out of 38 games played.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 01, 2024, 05:55:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on December 01, 2024, 04:58:31 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on December 01, 2024, 04:55:00 PMFat lady clearing her throat at half time. Time for Liverpool supporters such as Jcpen to book the last weekend of May flights and accommodation to Liverpool to see their team pick up the league title for the first time in front of a crowd in Anfield since 1990.
You are as boring as my Uncle Jerry, and by christ he would bore you to tears, hats off
I'd encourage you and Trueblue1234 to make the trip over to Liverpool that weekend with Jcpen. Shouldn't bore you even if you probably have to take turns to hold his hand as you wouldn't want that fragile chap to get lost.
I booked two weeks on your advice
Quote from: trueblue1234 on December 01, 2024, 05:33:50 PMQuote from: JoG2 on December 01, 2024, 04:58:31 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on December 01, 2024, 04:55:00 PMFat lady clearing her throat at half time. Time for Liverpool supporters such as Jcpen to book the last weekend of May flights and accommodation to Liverpool to see their team pick up the league title for the first time in front of a crowd in Anfield since 1990.
You are as boring as my Uncle Jerry, and by christ he would bore you to tears, hats off
It was nearly funny the first time. Now just spam. As funny as a dose of the clap.
+1
Guardiola's record at Anfield remains one win during his tenure.
Said in the build up to this game today that he'd walk away from City if he didn't turn this bad run of form around. 6 defeats and one draw in their last 7 games.
Rodri is some loss. Still a fair chance City go and win 20 games in a row though.
Some result for United, didnt get seeing it, were they good or Everton poor? Another few wins like that and no reason they cant push for top 4
Haaland watch (https://x.com/onlinemadnes/status/1863285952677912969?t=aeoBTbBtMUaiQYyfTdbA9Q&s=19)
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 01, 2024, 06:15:17 PMRodri is some loss. Still a fair chance City go and win 20 games in a row though.
Some result for United, didnt get seeing it, were they good or Everton poor? Another few wins like that and no reason they cant push for top 4
No chance of City going 20 games in a row.
Invincibility in sport is somewhat of a self fulfilling prophesy. For decade now teams in the bottom half have been throwing games against City to focus their fitness and sharpness on more winnable games. That aura is gone now. It might well come back, just won't happen this season.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 01, 2024, 06:15:17 PMRodri is some loss. Still a fair chance City go and win 20 games in a row though.
Some result for United, didnt get seeing it, were they good or Everton poor? Another few wins like that and no reason they cant push for top 4
First real test will be against Arsenal on Wednesday. Can't really get carried away by wins over a Norwegian pub team and Everton.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 01, 2024, 06:15:17 PMRodri is some loss. Still a fair chance City go and win 20 games in a row though.
Some result for United, didnt get seeing it, were they good or Everton poor? Another few wins like that and no reason they cant push for top 4
No hope of that! They're done for this season.
Seriously impressive from Liverpool, look of champions about them with that performance. If you wanted to be critical you could say they should have scored more and put the game to bed long long before the 80th minute but in truth they went about their business with great calmness and VVD brain fart aside, City never looked like getting into the game. Work rate and desire from the league leaders was insane too, they were like a pack of rabid dogs without the ball. Very positive signs.
Leagues are not won in December but one thing is looking likely, this league will be lost in December if one of the chasing pack doesn't go on a winning run, like, immediately! Fair enough, Liverpool have a lot to do yet but it shouldn't be understated either just how much of a platform they have made for themselves. Mid 80s points looks like a winning total. Liverpool need 50 points from 25 games if that's the case. Modest enough. They can afford to lose 5 and draw 5 from here which would be a collapse on their current form. City, Chelsea and Arsenal need 60 from 25, a fairly intense pace, while also hoping for said Liverpool meltdown. Lose 2 and draw 4 from 25, something they have achieved already from the first 13 games, and that target is in jeopardy. So it's definitely squeaky bum time for them with a tough Xmas schedule to come and a long spring.
Comfortable win for Arsenal on what is a good night for them City and Chelsea.
Quote from: jcpen on December 04, 2024, 10:10:23 PMComfortable win for Arsenal on what is a good night for them City and Chelsea.
And villa plus Everton who were hammered at the weekend should be well up for Liverpool at the weekend..
If Liverpool lose or draw then the league is up for grabs.
Jeez Sky has so much to answer for, every week people don't know whether they need a piss or a sh1t... There's 38 games in a season
One week a team's running away with the league, the next week it's up for grabs. There's a review of the title favourites after every game.
Quote from: Armamike on December 05, 2024, 12:02:50 AMOne week a team's running away with the league, the next week it's up for grabs. There's a review of the title favourites after every game.
Watched that Overlap podcast recently and they done half an hour on the percentage chance each team had of winning the league.
Newcastle looked very dangerous last night but Liverpool will be disappointed not to come away with all the points. But inevitable luck to go against them at some stage. To put it in perspective if Kelleher had not made that mistake, they would be on course for over 100 points. That pace is not sustainable over 38 games. City picking up 3 points another inevitability. A team like that will not lose games indefinitely. Thought Arsenal looked very solid and Chelsea are looking like a real team. Fixture list for next month is very difficult to call especially when you don't know that the teams or injury situations will be over a grueling schedule. Banana skins everywhere for everyone. Momentum might have shifted slightly but the chasing pack will need plenty more luck over this period and hope more things go against Liverpool.
Quote from: Look-Up! on December 05, 2024, 12:40:57 PMNewcastle looked very dangerous last night but Liverpool will be disappointed not to come away with all the points. But inevitable luck to go against them at some stage. To put it in perspective if Kelleher had not made that mistake, they would be on course for over 100 points. That pace is not sustainable over 38 games. City picking up 3 points another inevitability. A team like that will not lose games indefinitely. Thought Arsenal looked very solid and Chelsea are looking like a real team. Fixture list for next month is very difficult to call especially when you don't know that the teams or injury situations will be over a grueling schedule. Banana skins everywhere for everyone. Momentum might have shifted slightly but the chasing pack will need plenty more luck over this period and hope more things go against Liverpool.
They are. And their squad is so stacked with talent that they have a whole different team to play the European games. The 2nd team are finding that competition pretty easy too.
Quote from: Look-Up! on December 05, 2024, 12:40:57 PMNewcastle looked very dangerous last night but Liverpool will be disappointed not to come away with all the points. But inevitable luck to go against them at some stage. To put it in perspective if Kelleher had not made that mistake, they would be on course for over 100 points. That pace is not sustainable over 38 games. City picking up 3 points another inevitability. A team like that will not lose games indefinitely. Thought Arsenal looked very solid and Chelsea are looking like a real team. Fixture list for next month is very difficult to call especially when you don't know that the teams or injury situations will be over a grueling schedule. Banana skins everywhere for everyone. Momentum might have shifted slightly but the chasing pack will need plenty more luck over this period and hope more things go against Liverpool.
Reported
.... For not talking out your hole re the Premier league
Tottenham such an odd side. Watched them beat Man City and score four goals against them recently, tonight beaten by Bournemouth and lucky it wasn't a 4-0 defeat with the big chances Bournemouth created.
Spurs very inconsistent. Could beat anyone on their day but get beaten by anyone! Don't know what to make of Liverpool's visit to them.
That's a bummer
Gap at the top going to be cut again, pressure going to be on Liverpool over Christmas ::)
Quote from: Brendan on December 07, 2024, 10:08:23 AMGap at the top going to be cut again, pressure going to be on Liverpool over Christmas ::)
Or could be the same, no gimmies in the PL
It's probably no bad thing for Liverpool, McAllister will now miss the home game against Fulham next weekend. Gravenberch and Robertson looked absolutely knackered the other night
Quote from: Saffrongael on December 07, 2024, 11:46:07 AMIt's probably no bad thing for Liverpool, McAllister will now miss the home game against Fulham next weekend. Gravenberch and Robertson looked absolutely knackered the other night
I agree, after games against Madrid,City and Newcastle the last thing Liverpool needed was an early kickoff against Everton.
Injuries mounting up and players looking tired. No harm at all it's called off.
Will do Liverpool no harm at all. If the others cut the gap, big deal.
I think you are reading this one inside out. Liverpool are competing in 4 comps and are entering the festive fixture pileup. The last thing they needed was to push a game into that mix.
Depends when they try to squeeze it in
Pep will walk before Xmas if they lose today..
West Ham's Anontio in a bad crash...car is awful looking...hopefully he is okay
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 07, 2024, 03:20:27 PMPep will walk before Xmas if they lose today..
One win 9 games in all competitions after a 2-2 draw against Palace today.
He was on the field complaining to the officials for blowing for full time when City was on the attack. Probably wasn't happy with the sending off either.
How have City went so bad? No way it's down to Rodri alone.
Quote from: gawa316 on December 07, 2024, 04:52:17 PMWest Ham's Anontio in a bad crash...car is awful looking...hopefully he is okay
Stable, conscious and communicating apparently.
Man City are away to the Juventus on Wednesday. A game they cannot lose.
Then there is what will be a novel Derby match at home to United. God knows how that one will go?
Quote from: thewobbler on December 07, 2024, 02:57:55 PMI think you are reading this one inside out. Liverpool are competing in 4 comps and are entering the festive fixture pileup. The last thing they needed was to push a game into that mix.
If Liverpool have learnt anything from the past few years it would be to forget about competing on 4 fronts. Would expect we'll see a lot of young players come in for the cups. Liverpool should have enough to cope with a busy schedule with a few key players hopefully coming back in. The timing of the derby game today wasn't great all things considered.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 07, 2024, 05:38:11 PMHow have City went so bad? No way it's down to Rodri alone.
They've just hit the wall after going full pelt for a few years. Plus a few key players are getting older.
De Bruyne has been missing and is just getting back in. Whether he is as good as he was in the past is another question?
Turning into a good weekend for Liverpool.
And that kids is why Arsenal are not going to win the league.
If Chelsea drop points today it's like the handiest title since covid ;D
Saliba's goal looked offside
Quote from: gawa316 on December 08, 2024, 04:11:54 PMSaliba's goal looked offside
Nah it wasn't, was very close but the Fulham players leg kept him on.
Quote from: Turf on December 08, 2024, 04:16:04 PMQuote from: gawa316 on December 08, 2024, 04:11:54 PMSaliba's goal looked offside
Nah it wasn't, was very close but the Fulham players leg kept him on.
Do they show, or can VAR see, the freeze frame from the other side?
Is there cameras on boths sides of the pitch? Or is it just one side?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 08, 2024, 04:06:08 PMIf Chelsea drop points today it's like the handiest title since covid ;D
Only handy if you make it handy MR2 and win as many games as you can.
Spurs are going to do a Spurs here aren't they.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 08, 2024, 04:06:08 PMIf Chelsea drop points today it's like the handiest title since covid ;D
Every title has been the handiest since 2013.
Teams are imploding making it a easy title
Arsenal and Man City title hopes finished now. Chelsea won't be in contention either.
Quote from: Gael85 on December 08, 2024, 05:00:37 PMArsenal and Man City title hopes finished now. Chelsea won't be in contention either.
Liverpool supporters can now stop their poor mouthing and embrace the fact their team are champions elect
This is so spursy
Tottenham 2-0 ahead in the opening 15 minutes and now 4-2 behind with five minutes to play
Big Ange be on the brink. He's like a man ready to walk tbh
I like Ange and can see what he's trying to do.
But the players have given up on him. So he has to go.
That's just modern football summed up.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 08, 2024, 06:17:55 PMBig Ange be on the brink. He's like a man ready to walk tbh
Managers on Big Bucks do not walk..... unless there is a better package from another club.
Quote from: Turf on December 08, 2024, 04:49:46 PMSpurs are going to do a Spurs here aren't they.
Yes.
This time last week Liverpool had a 9 points lead, the lead is now 4 !
Yeah the league is over alright.... Captain Obvious must be fuming that Chelsea came back ;D
Quote from: thewobbler on December 08, 2024, 06:23:15 PMI like Ange and can see what he's trying to do.
But the players have given up on him. So he has to go.
That's just modern football summed up.
what has he been trying to do other than his high line tactics and makes friends with media so they take it easy on him when results like tonight happen.
Quote from: Gael85 on December 08, 2024, 05:00:37 PMArsenal and Man City title hopes finished now. Chelsea won't be in contention either.
Calm down, there are 23 games left and packed Christmas fixture list ahead.
Chelsea only 4 behind and Arsenal only 6.
Chelsea also have the benefit of playing nearly an entire different team in a Mickey mouse European Competition.
Far from over this just as us neutral fans who don't support anyone in the Top 4 should want it.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 08, 2024, 06:45:53 PMQuote from: thewobbler on December 08, 2024, 06:23:15 PMI like Ange and can see what he's trying to do.
But the players have given up on him. So he has to go.
That's just modern football summed up.
what has he been trying to do other than his high line tactics and makes friends with media so they take it easy on him when results like tonight happen.
Soccer is full of risk averse coaches from the lowest levels to the highest; those who expect the ball to be launched at the first sign of danger.
What Ange is trying to coach is that if all your teammates are attuned to taking risks, then the whole thing becomes less risky. For simple reason is they continually make themselves available even if they don't particularly want the ball in those positions.
Is it all a bit mad? No doubt. But a full strength Spurs are only a no.6 and a right back away from making it work.
Coote sacked
Problems from Heading the ball. Mad stories from Pallister and worrying brain symptoms for Steve Howey , who is only 53
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c708464p1zpo
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 10, 2024, 10:16:03 PMProblems from Heading the ball. Mad stories from Pallister and worrying brain symptoms for Steve Howey , who is only 53
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c708464p1zpo
Will football eventually ban heading?
Quote from: SaffronSports on December 10, 2024, 10:19:30 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on December 10, 2024, 10:16:03 PMProblems from Heading the ball. Mad stories from Pallister and worrying brain symptoms for Steve Howey , who is only 53
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c708464p1zpo
Will football eventually ban heading?
I'd say it's possible.
It is a weird thing to be doing, in all honesty
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 11, 2024, 03:45:38 PMQuote from: SaffronSports on December 10, 2024, 10:19:30 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on December 10, 2024, 10:16:03 PMProblems from Heading the ball. Mad stories from Pallister and worrying brain symptoms for Steve Howey , who is only 53
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c708464p1zpo
Will football eventually ban heading?
I'd say it's possible.
It is a weird thing to be doing, in all honesty
Just imagine the absolute charade that would unfurl from such a change though. It would have to implemented as a direct free kick and with similar consequences to deliberate handball. Goalkeeping would return to kicking it as far as possible - except over people's heads to run onto. Crossing from the wings would initially die out before being reborn as the ultimate tool of jeopardy, with defenders unwilling to challenge the ball early. Being tall would be pointless. Being able to jump high would be largely pointless. Mastering the overhead kick would become essential for centre half and centre forward play, to the point that we would regularly see synchronised attempts from opposing players. Jamie and Gary would spend hours analysing natural head positions. Funnily enough, Harry Maguire's giant scone would bring an innate advantage for natural blocking.
It would be comical for a while. But it would be a different game completely in the end.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 11, 2024, 03:58:11 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on December 11, 2024, 03:45:38 PMQuote from: SaffronSports on December 10, 2024, 10:19:30 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on December 10, 2024, 10:16:03 PMProblems from Heading the ball. Mad stories from Pallister and worrying brain symptoms for Steve Howey , who is only 53
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c708464p1zpo
Will football eventually ban heading?
I'd say it's possible.
It is a weird thing to be doing, in all honesty
Just imagine the absolute charade that would unfurl from such a change though. It would have to implemented as a direct free kick and with similar consequences to deliberate handball. Goalkeeping would return to kicking it as far as possible - except over people's heads to run onto. Crossing from the wings would initially die out before being reborn as the ultimate tool of jeopardy, with defenders unwilling to challenge the ball early. Being tall would be pointless. Being able to jump high would be largely pointless. Mastering the overhead kick would become essential for centre half and centre forward play, to the point that we would regularly see synchronised attempts from opposing players. Jamie and Gary would spend hours analysing natural head positions. Funnily enough, Harry Maguire's giant scone would bring an innate advantage for natural blocking.
It would be comical for a while. But it would be a different game completely in the end.
Had to laugh at that one ;D
I suppose it would be a different game somewhat, without the heading , but with seemingly more evidence of damage to players in later years (and possible lawsuits), then it could be heading (no pun intended) that way.
Lead at the top will be down to 1 point tomorrow, who said the league was over
Liverpool will win today.
Quote from: Gael85 on December 14, 2024, 04:48:44 PMLiverpool will win today.
I took them there at 9/1, fingers crossed
2 points dropped again for Liverpool.
Probably be happy with an early sending off.
Chelsea looking good now if they win tomorrow.
Quote from: Gael85 on December 14, 2024, 04:48:44 PMLiverpool will win today.
And would have won but for the foolish red card for Andrew Robertson. Two points dropped today is a small speed bump on route to their May coronation.
Elsewhere Arsenal unable to beat or score against a poor Everton team at home and to think some pundits thought Arsenal would be good enough to win the league this season?
Chelsea's to lose at this point
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 14, 2024, 05:12:09 PMQuote from: Gael85 on December 14, 2024, 04:48:44 PMLiverpool will win today.
And would have won but for the foolish red card for Andrew Robertson. Two points dropped today is a small speed bump on route to their May coronation.
Elsewhere Arsenal unable to beat or score against a poor Everton team at home and to think some pundits thought Arsenal would be good enough to win the league this season?
Genuine question, how do the bookies actually make any money when the games / season are so easy to call? You must be making a clean fortune
Quote from: JoG2 on December 15, 2024, 12:10:45 AMGenuine question, how do the bookies actually make any money when the games / season are so easy to call? You must be making a clean fortune
The bookmakers will continue to make Loads of money on individual matches when a league title is wrapped up early like this season. I made no fortune as few including myself expected Arsenal,Manchester City to fold so soon.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2024, 11:41:13 PMChelsea's to lose at this point
Top four place certainly is which would have been their season objective.
Quote from: SaffronSports on December 10, 2024, 10:19:30 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on December 10, 2024, 10:16:03 PMProblems from Heading the ball. Mad stories from Pallister and worrying brain symptoms for Steve Howey , who is only 53
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c708464p1zpo
Will football eventually ban heading?
Some serious slaps here, hardy bucks but long term it's grim
https://youtu.be/Pwi_j0as0N0?si=MNcnaoFocKAQQCJc
It's only December. Liverpool's squad depth will probably be tested in the new year when injuries, fatigue and fixtures build up.
Good job they bought in some extra players during the summer...
Their supporters will be delighted with the net spend trophy though.
O'Neil gone.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 15, 2024, 12:48:22 PMO'Neil gone.
Three days after getting the dreaded vote of confidence
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c627xeqg88go
5th v 13th not exactly a Super Sunday this game.
Terrible game of football that first half.
Man City now one win in 11 games 8 defeats. The manner of the goals conceded today is that of a broken side.
Terrible game but Man United fans won't care.
Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal fans also happy enough with that result.
Chelsea could mess things up, Brentford are pretty decent
Pep can't buy a win, pun intended
Pep and Klopp to bomb out in the same year?
Quote from: Dag Dog on December 15, 2024, 06:36:22 PMPep and Klopp to bomb out in the same year?
A man obsessed 🤣
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2024, 06:34:22 PMChelsea could mess things up, Brentford are pretty decent
Pep can't buy a win, pun intended
Brentford have won their last three games in Stamford Bridge. 2-0,2-0 and 4-1.
Spurs being spurs
Spurs consistently inconsistent. 4-0 after 25 minutes with a stream of Southampton leaving the ground, their manager headed to the dressing room before half time and missed the 5th Spurs goal.
Chelsea humming along nicely, good squad dept, a good manager.
No players distracted by begging for contract renewals.
Quote from: Dag Dog on December 15, 2024, 08:57:36 PMChelsea humming along nicely, good squad dept, a good manager.
No players distracted by begging for contract renewals.
Their 'B' team playing in the Conference League.
Out of the Carabao Cup.
It's not what they do now, more what they do as the run in looms.
I picked them as a Dark Horse a few weeks ago.
It's no Cinderella story if they do it.
It's only December ;D
Southampton have sacked manager Russell Martin after a 5-0 thrashing by Tottenham on Sunday left them nine points off Premier League safety.
Martin, 38, guided the Saints to promotion last year in his first season in charge, beating Leeds United in the play-off final at Wembley.
But the loss against Spurs was Southampton's 13th in the league this campaign from 16 games.
Their only win this season was against Everton in November, while the St Mary's club have scored a league-low 11 goals.
O'Neil sacked at Wolves too. The axe is fairly out before the Christmas rush of games.
Quote from: lurganblue on December 16, 2024, 08:43:03 AMO'Neil sacked at Wolves too. The axe is fairly out before the Christmas rush of games.
That has to be the most ever sackings before Xmas from start of season?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 16, 2024, 09:07:54 AMQuote from: lurganblue on December 16, 2024, 08:43:03 AMO'Neil sacked at Wolves too. The axe is fairly out before the Christmas rush of games.
That has to be the most ever sackings before Xmas from start of season?
Young families too. Stockings be light this year God help them.
Mudryk has failed a drugs test.
Quote from: statto on December 17, 2024, 11:08:06 AMMudryk has failed a drugs test.
Didn't realise he was that old
Meldonium is reported to have cardioprotective and anti-ischaemic effects. In the vast majority of circumstances, it would be prescribed for
elderly individuals with ischaemic conditions
If that was him on PED's he must be really shite
Quote from: gawa316 on December 17, 2024, 02:58:20 PMIf that was him on PED's he must be really shite
Should just stick to the inhalers
Ruben Dias out injured now. It's game over for Pep and City.
Quote from: Cortoon on December 20, 2024, 07:44:05 PMRuben Dias out injured now. It's game over for Pep and City.
Much like Manchester City the team that players form had gone to the dogs.
Turns out Peps no use on a level playing field, £100m vanity signing Grealish surely benched again in favour of a midget
City are falling apart
All teams go through blips but this seems different. He has the demeanour of a broken man and his interviews sound like he's just waiting to be sacked. You would have thought he'd be stronger than this.
This is great to see.
Couldn't happen to a nicer fella
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 21, 2024, 01:52:47 PMThis is great to see.
It sure is. What a melt down. Its a strange place for Pep!
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 21, 2024, 02:00:01 PMCouldn't happen to a nicer fella
You'd have loved him if he had been Man United manager the last 7 years...
Unless he walks I can't see him being sacked, surely he has enough credit built up for him to have one bad season. Would be madness to sack him imo.
For all their losses they are still only a point off 4th and still in Champions League.
Quote from: jcpen on December 21, 2024, 02:14:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 21, 2024, 02:00:01 PMCouldn't happen to a nicer fella
You'd have loved him if he had been Man United manager the last 7 years...
Unless he walks I can't see him being sacked, surely he has enough credit built up for him to have one bad season. Would be madness to sack him imo.
For all their losses they are still only a point off 4th and still in Champions League.
They'll not sack him I don't think, doesn't make sense to walk and miss the big bucks he's on, then again he seems the sort that would just decide he couldn't be arsed anymore.
Man City were as Sh1te as their Kit today!
Teams are lining up to beat them now!
Klopp had a similar meltdown in 2021 when Liverpool lost 6 out of 7 Premier League games.
They stuck with him and he managed to recover.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 21, 2024, 01:17:21 PMAll teams go through blips but this seems different. He has the demeanour of a broken man and his interviews sound like he's just waiting to be sacked. You would have thought he'd be stronger than this.
Yes well past a blip at this stage. 9 defeats, 1 win in the last 12 matches in all competitions.
Grealish back in his old ground looks a shadow of the player Man City paid over 100m for and hasn't scored a goal for City in 46 straight games.
Grealish was never a £100 million player though. I never thought he was that good even at Villa.
Will be playing for Everton or similar next season.
What are the 115 charges supposed to be getting sorted?
Quote from: gawa316 on December 21, 2024, 02:51:52 PMWhat are the 115 charges supposed to be getting sorted?
Hardly matters now they'll relegate themselves the way they're going!
Quote from: jcpen on December 21, 2024, 02:41:32 PMGrealish was never a £100 million player though. I never thought he was that good even at Villa.
Will be playing for Everton or similar next season.
Yeah decent enough player but the hype and the English tax left him mad money. Never worth that. He's a better player than what he's showing at City though.
Quote from: gawa316 on December 21, 2024, 02:51:52 PMWhat are the 115 charges supposed to be getting sorted?
March or so. Doesn't bode well for them that they bumped it up to 130 during the hearings.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 21, 2024, 03:17:37 PMQuote from: jcpen on December 21, 2024, 02:41:32 PMGrealish was never a £100 million player though. I never thought he was that good even at Villa.
Will be playing for Everton or similar next season.
Yeah decent enough player but the hype and the English tax left him mad money. Never worth that. He's a better player than what he's showing at City though.
He's what you call a luxury player at City. He's good when they are playing well.
Pep or Sir Alex seemed a relevant discussion, not any more, SAF is the goat
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 21, 2024, 02:34:33 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on December 21, 2024, 01:17:21 PMAll teams go through blips but this seems different. He has the demeanour of a broken man and his interviews sound like he's just waiting to be sacked. You would have thought he'd be stronger than this.
Yes well past a blip at this stage. 9 defeats, 1 win in the last 12 matches in all competitions.
Grealish back in his old ground looks a shadow of the player Man City paid over 100m for and hasn't scored a goal for City in 46 straight games.
They never played him in his best position and he had nearly a year on the bench. Walker gone to shit too and very little from John stones so the English players not serving him well.
Forest manager doing some job.
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 21, 2024, 04:47:50 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 21, 2024, 03:17:37 PMQuote from: jcpen on December 21, 2024, 02:41:32 PMGrealish was never a £100 million player though. I never thought he was that good even at Villa.
Will be playing for Everton or similar next season.
Yeah decent enough player but the hype and the English tax left him mad money. Never worth that. He's a better player than what he's showing at City though.
He's what you call a luxury player at City. He's good when they are playing well.
He was more than good enough to dig in when needed a few times, he carried an ordinary Villa team for years and had countless great games, he's a centre midfielder, Pep has sucked the flair out of him. Christ on a bike he'll never play for Everton, would be nice to see him back at Villa
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 21, 2024, 04:59:22 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on December 21, 2024, 02:34:33 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on December 21, 2024, 01:17:21 PMAll teams go through blips but this seems different. He has the demeanour of a broken man and his interviews sound like he's just waiting to be sacked. You would have thought he'd be stronger than this.
Yes well past a blip at this stage. 9 defeats, 1 win in the last 12 matches in all competitions.
Grealish back in his old ground looks a shadow of the player Man City paid over 100m for and hasn't scored a goal for City in 46 straight games.
They never played him in his best position and he had nearly a year on the bench. Walker gone to shit too and very little from John stones so the English players not serving him well.
Forest manager doing some job.
Nuno Espírito Santo has certainly moved on after just 17 matches in charge of Tottenham.
Along with the Man City fall Nottingham Forest rise the story of this Premier League this season. Up to 3rd after 2-0 win against a Brentford side who has the best home record in the league and most goals scored.
Quote from: tiempo on December 21, 2024, 05:00:59 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on December 21, 2024, 04:47:50 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 21, 2024, 03:17:37 PMQuote from: jcpen on December 21, 2024, 02:41:32 PMGrealish was never a £100 million player though. I never thought he was that good even at Villa.
Will be playing for Everton or similar next season.
Yeah decent enough player but the hype and the English tax left him mad money. Never worth that. He's a better player than what he's showing at City though.
He's what you call a luxury player at City. He's good when they are playing well.
He was more than good enough to dig in when needed a few times, he carried an ordinary Villa team for years and had countless great games, he's a centre midfielder, Pep has sucked the flair out of him. Christ on a bike he'll never play for Everton, would be nice to see him back at Villa
Going by the fans reception they wouldn't be too keen on that.City are so vulnerable when turned over excellent display from villa was a 2-1 hammering.
I don't think City's bad run is just down to a couple of injuries. I think Pep's intensity over a number of years has mentally exhausted his players .
Quote from: statto on December 21, 2024, 05:09:58 PMQuote from: tiempo on December 21, 2024, 05:00:59 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on December 21, 2024, 04:47:50 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 21, 2024, 03:17:37 PMQuote from: jcpen on December 21, 2024, 02:41:32 PMGrealish was never a £100 million player though. I never thought he was that good even at Villa.
Will be playing for Everton or similar next season.
Yeah decent enough player but the hype and the English tax left him mad money. Never worth that. He's a better player than what he's showing at City though.
He's what you call a luxury player at City. He's good when they are playing well.
He was more than good enough to dig in when needed a few times, he carried an ordinary Villa team for years and had countless great games, he's a centre midfielder, Pep has sucked the flair out of him. Christ on a bike he'll never play for Everton, would be nice to see him back at Villa
Going by the fans reception they wouldn't be too keen on that.City are so vulnerable when turned over excellent display from villa was a 2-1 hammering.
Fans are fickle, they'd soon have him back, one of their own, that £100m was well spent
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 21, 2024, 05:30:19 PMI don't think City's bad run is just down to a couple of injuries. I think Pep's intensity over a number of years has mentally exhausted his players .
100% - mania like that isn't sustainable, got a damn good return out of it, seems a tad broken himself and could do with stepping back to rest
Quote from: tiempo on December 21, 2024, 04:53:06 PMPep or Sir Alex seemed a relevant discussion, not any more, SAF is the goat
Yeah if Fergie had retired in about 1999.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 21, 2024, 06:30:01 PMQuote from: tiempo on December 21, 2024, 04:53:06 PMPep or Sir Alex seemed a relevant discussion, not any more, SAF is the goat
Yeah if Fergie had retired in about 1999.
Yeah first bad period in his whole managerial career and now Sir Alex is better. Good job Sir Alex never had a bad period.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 21, 2024, 06:30:01 PMQuote from: tiempo on December 21, 2024, 04:53:06 PMPep or Sir Alex seemed a relevant discussion, not any more, SAF is the goat
Yeah if Fergie had retired in about 1999.
Jez Lad, Don't jump the Gun - Your talking as if Pep is 70 or something!
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Obviously was brilliant with that Barca team but was helped by having one of if not the best to ever do it hit his prime.
Failed at Bayern tbh me or you would have won the Bundesliga with that team.
Yes has turned City into an unreal team (well up until a month ago.) but theres always going to be an asterisk at what they've won.
He's never went into a job where he wasn't taking on the strongest team in the league and with a blank cheque book. Yes City had a poor year before he took over but still had a serious squad at the time.
Unreal manager no doubt but not a patch on Fergie
He schooled Fergie twice in Champions League Finals.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 21, 2024, 06:30:01 PMQuote from: tiempo on December 21, 2024, 04:53:06 PMPep or Sir Alex seemed a relevant discussion, not any more, SAF is the goat
Yeah if Fergie had retired in about 1999.
Fergie had to dismantle and build at Utd, before that his Aberdeen achievement equals anything anywhere any time
SAF built legacy at 2 clubs
Pep achieved greatness at Barce and City fair play, but he didn't build from anything remotely like a low base, there's no point counting Bayern it was a cake walk, SAF never had a meltdown like this
Pep schooled SAF in 2 CL finals has to count for something, but not enough to nudge it, only me opinion like
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 21, 2024, 07:02:53 PMObviously was brilliant with that Barca team but was helped by having one of if not the best to ever do it hit his prime.
Failed at Bayern tbh me or you would have won the Bundesliga with that team.
Yes has turned City into an unreal team (well up until a month ago.) but theres always going to be an asterisk at what they've won.
He's never went into a job where he wasn't taking on the strongest team in the league and with a blank cheque book. Yes City had a poor year before he took over but still had a serious squad at the time.
Unreal manager no doubt but not a patch on Fergie
I'm no fan of Pep and you are 100% with what you say, bar Barcelona B.
Fergie had a dip 2004-2006. Which was to do with a changing of the guard. You can't keep dominating all the time.
You can't also go comparing two managers at different stages of their career.
There's hundreds of men have tried and failed to motivate millionaires.
He's among the greatest managers in history.
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 21, 2024, 07:20:00 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 21, 2024, 07:02:53 PMObviously was brilliant with that Barca team but was helped by having one of if not the best to ever do it hit his prime.
Failed at Bayern tbh me or you would have won the Bundesliga with that team.
Yes has turned City into an unreal team (well up until a month ago.) but theres always going to be an asterisk at what they've won.
He's never went into a job where he wasn't taking on the strongest team in the league and with a blank cheque book. Yes City had a poor year before he took over but still had a serious squad at the time.
Unreal manager no doubt but not a patch on Fergie
I'm no fan of Pep and you are 100% with what you say, bar Barcelona B.
Fergie had a dip 2004-2006. Which was to do with a changing of the guard. You can't keep dominating all the time.
You can't also go comparing two managers at different stages of their career.
Not worth comparing when few other managers had the longevity of Ferguson. From the success he had with Aberdeen in the early 80s including the last manager to beat Real Madrid in a European final in 1983 to winning the Premier league title in his retirement season 2013.
Pep Guardiola started out as a manager in 2008 and will he still managing in 2028?
A few weeks ago he said this
"I'm not going to manage another team," I'm not going to do is leave Manchester City, go to another country, and do the same thing as now.
"I wouldn't have the energy. The thought of starting somewhere else, all the process of training and so on. No, no, no. Maybe a national team, but that's different.
"I want to leave it and go and play golf. I think stopping would do me good."
Some game, Liverpool in total control but Spurs look like they could still score a few.
The end is in sight for Ange
Liquid football here from Liverpool.
Expected comfortable win for Liverpool. Time for more pundits and journalists to call it like it is. That Tottenham style of play doesn't work against any half decent team nevermind top of the table and champion elect team.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 22, 2024, 05:58:24 PMExpected comfortable win for Liverpool. Time for more pundits and journalists to call it like it is. That Tottenham style of play doesn't work against any half decent team nevermind top of the table and champion elect team.
Pretty much all pundits and journalists have been consistently calling it like it is.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 22, 2024, 05:58:24 PMExpected comfortable win for Liverpool. Time for more pundits and journalists to call it like it is. That Tottenham style of play doesn't work against any half decent team nevermind top of the table and champion elect team.
What game are you watching??
Quote from: jcpen on December 22, 2024, 05:20:55 PMSome game, Liverpool in total control but Spurs look like they could still score a few.
This is what I said at half time... Guess I was right..
Slot will be happy with the win but will be fuming at the soft goals conceded I reckon.
Goal difference could be the difference come the end of the season so that was a chance for Liverpool to put up a gap between them and the other title chasers.
Arsenal, Chelsea and Nottingham Forest.
Quote from: bennydorano on December 22, 2024, 05:49:24 PMThe end is in sight for Ange
Can't see it
They're v entertaining, apparently that's Spurs DNA, of course fans will be tearing their hair out but they've a significant injury list and when it clears all the cups are realistic goals, loads to play for just need a few breaks, Ange has a touch of the Kevin Keegans about him, far preferable to some of the other numpties they've hired over the years
Forest story something else, fair play to manager. Hard to believe it's the same team signed Jesse Lingard 2 seasons ago or just avoided relegation last season after points deduction.
Jees Ange hates the post match interviews. They are must sees as he barely disguises his disgust at the questions/interviewer. In fairness they are always looking a bite and the big man deffo on the edge
Quote from: tiempo on December 22, 2024, 08:19:45 PMQuote from: bennydorano on December 22, 2024, 05:49:24 PMThe end is in sight for Ange
Can't see it
They're v entertaining, apparently that's Spurs DNA, of course fans will be tearing their hair out but they've a significant injury list and when it clears all the cups are realistic goals, loads to play for just need a few breaks, Ange has a touch of the Kevin Keegans about him, far preferable to some of the other numpties they've hired over the years
That Nuno numpty and Conte numpty doing ok since left.
Spurs no strangers to a long injury list.
Ange will need to win the Carabao Cup on Mar 16th to save his season.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on December 22, 2024, 11:33:05 PMSpurs no strangers to a long injury list.
Ange will need to win the Carabao Cup on Mar 16th to save his season.
I like Ange but surely he can't be that dogmatic in his approach to playing out from the back with a second choice keeper who patently hates it and is shite at it, two untested centre backs, both playing out of position and a third or fourth choice right back.
That's just madness, and that's compounded by playing a high line that Liverpool picked off at will and were able to outpace these lads.
Yes, if you've a Mickey Van De Venn and Romero in there, that's fine, but when you don't you need to change.
It's official, City are dung.
Be interesting to see how they end up at the end of the season, could they miss out on CL?
It's like City from the 90's
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 26, 2024, 02:29:35 PMIt's official, City are dung.
Be interesting to see how they end up at the end of the season, could they miss out on CL?
It's like City from the 90's
Everton were simply awful going forward, game was there for them on multiple occasions.
That last 4 on 2 summed the game up. City players visibly gave up and let them have the overload but an Everton forward with the ball was like a mule with a spinning wheel.
Avoiding relegation is now cause for celebration at Everton. A club that has lost all ambition and pride #useless
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 26, 2024, 02:49:48 PMAvoiding relegation is now cause for celebration at Everton. A club that has lost all ambition and pride #useless
It's not the 80's Everton have not been a force for 40 years..
Not sure it's a surprise
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 26, 2024, 02:57:27 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 26, 2024, 02:49:48 PMAvoiding relegation is now cause for celebration at Everton. A club that has lost all ambition and pride #useless
It's not the 80's Everton have not been a force for 40 years..
Not sure it's a surprise
Aye is a while... since Hansen and Linekar told everyone on MOTD the great job Moyes was doing. Still is supporters remember when Everton wanted to win trophies not fire off fireworks for avoiding relegation. They did win FA Cup '95... 30 years!
Interesting to see what Pep will do now. Outside Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea the 4th CL spot is still there for a good few teams albeit plenty of question marks over all them. You'd imagine some of those teams in the mix will drop off a bit but it still shouldn't be forgotten what a good start City made to the season and how that is masking, at least table wise, just how terrible they've been of late. They have 5 points from their last 9 games - 1 win, 2 draws and 6 losses - relegation form in any language.
But they still have quality players where something could still yet click for them. Plus there's the transfer window which will be very interesting to see what they do. Couple of good signings could breathe life back into them but either way huge changes coming in the summer. Either a massive player overhaul or a massive wrap on the knuckles from FFP and a drop down the leagues.
Pep Guardiola needs to be short and sharp with his answers on his post match press conferences.
Quote from: Look-Up! on December 26, 2024, 03:31:27 PMInteresting to see what Pep will do now. Outside Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea the 4th CL spot is still there for a good few teams albeit plenty of question marks over all them. You'd imagine some of those teams in the mix will drop off a bit but it still shouldn't be forgotten what a good start City made to the season and how that is masking, at least table wise, just how terrible they've been of late. They have 5 points from their last 9 games - 1 win, 2 draws and 6 losses - relegation form in any language.
But they still have quality players where something could still yet click for them. Plus there's the transfer window which will be very interesting to see what they do. Couple of good signings could breathe life back into them but either way huge changes coming in the summer. Either a massive player overhaul or a massive wrap on the knuckles from FFP and a drop down the leagues.
Actually be 5 places by looks of things.
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 26, 2024, 02:49:48 PMAvoiding relegation is now cause for celebration at Everton. A club that has lost all ambition and pride #useless
At present they don't have the finance players or management to expect more, they're in a permanent cycle of develop and burn, 1 step forward 2 steps back since Moyes left, still admirable club with a solid history who should expect to improve in time. The stadium move is progressive but it's a shame to see Goodison close it's doors, great traditional stadium, got to 1 PL game in it, was thoroughly enjoyable
Quote from: tiempo on December 26, 2024, 04:41:48 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 26, 2024, 02:49:48 PMAvoiding relegation is now cause for celebration at Everton. A club that has lost all ambition and pride #useless
At present they don't have the finance players or management to expect more, they're in a permanent cycle of develop and burn, 1 step forward 2 steps back since Moyes left, still admirable club with a solid history who should expect to improve in time. The stadium move is progressive but it's a shame to see Goodison close it's doors, great traditional stadium, got to 1 PL game in it, was thoroughly enjoyable
Two words that sum up Everton since the early 1990s: Alex Iwobi ie paying over the odds for top 6 cast offs who were no better than their homegrown players.
Fulham win it at the death. Good result for Liverpool and Arsenal
Quote from: jcpen on December 26, 2024, 04:58:38 PMFulham win it at the death. Good result for Liverpool and Arsenal
And Forrest ;D
#onaplate
Chelsea as I said already are a side that will be delighted to finished in the top four this season. Nottingham forest are just delighted to be in the top four right now, a sweet win for their manager who Spursy got rid of after less than a month.
Quote from: tiempo on December 26, 2024, 04:41:48 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 26, 2024, 02:49:48 PMAvoiding relegation is now cause for celebration at Everton. A club that has lost all ambition and pride #useless
At present they don't have the finance players or management to expect more, they're in a permanent cycle of develop and burn, 1 step forward 2 steps back since Moyes left, still admirable club with a solid history who should expect to improve in time. The stadium move is progressive but it's a shame to see Goodison close it's doors, great traditional stadium, got to 1 PL game in it, was thoroughly enjoyable
Have been using the finance excuse for years and is actually a myth... so badly run, a series of woeful managers, no pride in that traditional you mention. Am loathe to cite this rag but the misspending has been a joke...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10267415/Everton-splurged-500m-players-Farhad-Moshiri-waste.html
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 26, 2024, 05:16:42 PMQuote from: tiempo on December 26, 2024, 04:41:48 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 26, 2024, 02:49:48 PMAvoiding relegation is now cause for celebration at Everton. A club that has lost all ambition and pride #useless
At present they don't have the finance players or management to expect more, they're in a permanent cycle of develop and burn, 1 step forward 2 steps back since Moyes left, still admirable club with a solid history who should expect to improve in time. The stadium move is progressive but it's a shame to see Goodison close it's doors, great traditional stadium, got to 1 PL game in it, was thoroughly enjoyable
Have been using the finance excuse for years and is actually a myth... so badly run, a series of woeful managers, no pride in that traditional you mention. Am loathe to cite this rag but the misspending has been a joke...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10267415/Everton-splurged-500m-players-Farhad-Moshiri-waste.html
Wages played a massive part of the problem.
Man United concede a goal direct from a corner for the 2nd time in a week !
Quote from: jcpen on December 26, 2024, 06:46:43 PMMan United concede a goal direct from a corner for the 2nd time in a week !
Man in Scotstown free and willing to don the netminder mits, some horse let the scouting department know
Interesting tactic by united here to bring on Anthony and play with 9 men.
Quote from: trileacman on December 26, 2024, 07:23:03 PMInteresting tactic by united here to bring on Anthony and play with 9 men.
;D
This new fella won't last long if these performances continue
Bad week for Man United after the high of the derby win.
Old Trafford also infested with rodents and not just on the pitch ;D ;D
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2024/1224/1488018-man-united-tackling-mice-infestation-at-old-trafford/
Quote from: jcpen on December 26, 2024, 06:46:43 PMMan United concede a goal direct from a corner for the 2nd time in a week !
Like the sub last week, Onana weak as f**k under that corner.
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 26, 2024, 05:16:42 PMQuote from: tiempo on December 26, 2024, 04:41:48 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 26, 2024, 02:49:48 PMAvoiding relegation is now cause for celebration at Everton. A club that has lost all ambition and pride #useless
At present they don't have the finance players or management to expect more, they're in a permanent cycle of develop and burn, 1 step forward 2 steps back since Moyes left, still admirable club with a solid history who should expect to improve in time. The stadium move is progressive but it's a shame to see Goodison close it's doors, great traditional stadium, got to 1 PL game in it, was thoroughly enjoyable
Have been using the finance excuse for years and is actually a myth... so badly run, a series of woeful managers, no pride in that traditional you mention. Am loathe to cite this rag but the misspending has been a joke...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10267415/Everton-splurged-500m-players-Farhad-Moshiri-waste.html
good to see Everton being discussed on the board, even quoting daily mail source from 3 years ago.
No secret of the years of mismanagement, fans have campaigned for years to replace the board. New owners are in and new stadium on the horizon, nothing is guaranteed but hopefully can move in right direction again.
No pride in the tradition you reckon truthsayer??
Pride and tradition was the only thing keeping the club going for years, good input though truthsayer..
Quote from: J70 on December 26, 2024, 07:31:08 PMQuote from: jcpen on December 26, 2024, 06:46:43 PMMan United concede a goal direct from a corner for the 2nd time in a week !
Like the sub last week, Onana weak as f**k under that corner.
Have just watched that goal tonight, more Onana losing the flight of the ball to embarrassing let the ball drop into the net than anything to do with weakness. It appears he owned up to the error going by his reaction after the goal.
Can someone tell me if Pep ever had to do a rebuild?
Like Ferguson had 3 teams...maybe more.
I grew up a United fan but love Liverpool these days and would be neutral overall bar City.
Always disliked the money side and never warmed to Pep at Barca either.
I'd like Liverpool to win and a surprise package make Europe.
Good win for Liverpool, not a great game by any stretch. Liverpool were poor enough but had enough to win.
Quote from: jcpen on December 26, 2024, 09:59:26 PMGood win for Liverpool, not a great game by any stretch. Liverpool were poor enough but had enough to win.
Always find a way which is a good sign. Healthy lead. Looking like Arsenal the main rivals though it changes regularly
Liverpool in cruise control knowing none of the so called challengers are good enough to challenge.
Arsenal might finish 2nd however will likely finish further behind the top placed team than they did the previous two seasons.
Chelsea should finish in the top four and will be delighted with that.
As poor as Manchester City have been they'll likely still stumble into 4th place.
The current bottom three Leicester,Ipswich, Southampton will do well to avoid relegation.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 26, 2024, 10:34:03 PMLiverpool in cruise control knowing none of the so called challengers are good enough to challenge.
Arsenal might finish 2nd however will likely finish further behind the top placed team than they did the previous two seasons.
Chelsea should finish in the top four and will be delighted with that.
As poor as Manchester City have been they'll likely still stumble into 4th place.
The current bottom three Leicester,Ipswich, Southampton will do well to avoid relegation.
Man U and a plethora of clubs are lucky those three are sh1te. Otherwise Utd could be seeing an end to their 50th consecutive year in the top flight!
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 26, 2024, 10:43:07 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on December 26, 2024, 10:34:03 PMLiverpool in cruise control knowing none of the so called challengers are good enough to challenge.
Arsenal might finish 2nd however will likely finish further behind the top placed team than they did the previous two seasons.
Chelsea should finish in the top four and will be delighted with that.
As poor as Manchester City have been they'll likely still stumble into 4th place.
The current bottom three Leicester,Ipswich, Southampton will do well to avoid relegation.
Man U and a plethora of clubs are lucky those three are sh1te. Otherwise Utd could be seeing an end to their 50th consecutive year in the top flight!
Do you honestly believe that?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 26, 2024, 11:10:41 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on December 26, 2024, 10:43:07 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on December 26, 2024, 10:34:03 PMLiverpool in cruise control knowing none of the so called challengers are good enough to challenge.
Arsenal might finish 2nd however will likely finish further behind the top placed team than they did the previous two seasons.
Chelsea should finish in the top four and will be delighted with that.
As poor as Manchester City have been they'll likely still stumble into 4th place.
The current bottom three Leicester,Ipswich, Southampton will do well to avoid relegation.
Man U and a plethora of clubs are lucky those three are sh1te. Otherwise Utd could be seeing an end to their 50th consecutive year in the top flight!
Do you honestly believe that?
Yeah, Utd are abysmal. But they have 22 points in the bank and the teams below them are extra shite this year.
So they should be sound. They are on the slide......
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 26, 2024, 11:29:17 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 26, 2024, 11:10:41 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on December 26, 2024, 10:43:07 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on December 26, 2024, 10:34:03 PMLiverpool in cruise control knowing none of the so called challengers are good enough to challenge.
Arsenal might finish 2nd however will likely finish further behind the top placed team than they did the previous two seasons.
Chelsea should finish in the top four and will be delighted with that.
As poor as Manchester City have been they'll likely still stumble into 4th place.
The current bottom three Leicester,Ipswich, Southampton will do well to avoid relegation.
Man U and a plethora of clubs are lucky those three are sh1te. Otherwise Utd could be seeing an end to their 50th consecutive year in the top flight!
Do you honestly believe that?
Yeah, Utd are abysmal. But they have 22 points in the bank and the teams below them are extra shite this year.
So they should be sound. They are on the slide......
Most teams that stay up generally get around 35 points.. 4 wins 4 draws would be required. As for being on the slide, you mustn't be watching much premier league. Been sliding for years. But they'll be back, that's how it works
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 26, 2024, 10:34:03 PMLiverpool in cruise control knowing none of the so called challengers are good enough to challenge.
Arsenal might finish 2nd however will likely finish further behind the top placed team than they did the previous two seasons.
Chelsea should finish in the top four and will be delighted with that.
As poor as Manchester City have been they'll likely still stumble into 4th place.
The current bottom three Leicester,Ipswich, Southampton will do well to avoid relegation.
Have you put the bet on yet?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 26, 2024, 11:34:30 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on December 26, 2024, 11:29:17 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 26, 2024, 11:10:41 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on December 26, 2024, 10:43:07 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on December 26, 2024, 10:34:03 PMLiverpool in cruise control knowing none of the so called challengers are good enough to challenge.
Arsenal might finish 2nd however will likely finish further behind the top placed team than they did the previous two seasons.
Chelsea should finish in the top four and will be delighted with that.
As poor as Manchester City have been they'll likely still stumble into 4th place.
The current bottom three Leicester,Ipswich, Southampton will do well to avoid relegation.
Man U and a plethora of clubs are lucky those three are sh1te. Otherwise Utd could be seeing an end to their 50th consecutive year in the top flight!
Do you honestly believe that?
Yeah, Utd are abysmal. But they have 22 points in the bank and the teams below them are extra shite this year.
So they should be sound. They are on the slide......
Most teams that stay up generally get around 35 points.. 4 wins 4 draws would be required. As for being on the slide, you mustn't be watching much premier league. Been sliding for years. But they'll be back, that's how it works
Yeah, they'll should get the 35 and better.
United got 75 points 2 years ago in the League. So this slide is relatively recent.
Yes, in the case of the Liverpool/Man U (and even Arsenal) cycle it usually takes 30 years to turn the corner. ;D
What stage of hate/hurt/rage etc are you in when you completely ignore how shite your own team is, and concentrate on building up your main rivals who are really good, in the hope that they will fail and you can then say they bottled it? Remember being an immature 13 year old when I did this in the hope that it would mask the hurt but ultimately it didn't...anyway asking for a friend
Quote from: gawa316 on December 27, 2024, 12:08:19 AMWhat stage of hate/hurt/rage etc are you in when you completely ignore how shite your own team is, and concentrate on building up your main rivals who are really good, in the hope that they will fail and you can then say they bottled it? Remember being an immature 13 year old when I did this in the hope that it would mask the hurt but ultimately it didn't...anyway asking for a friend
New level stuff
Quote from: SaffronSports on December 26, 2024, 05:46:22 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 26, 2024, 05:16:42 PMQuote from: tiempo on December 26, 2024, 04:41:48 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 26, 2024, 02:49:48 PMAvoiding relegation is now cause for celebration at Everton. A club that has lost all ambition and pride #useless
At present they don't have the finance players or management to expect more, they're in a permanent cycle of develop and burn, 1 step forward 2 steps back since Moyes left, still admirable club with a solid history who should expect to improve in time. The stadium move is progressive but it's a shame to see Goodison close it's doors, great traditional stadium, got to 1 PL game in it, was thoroughly enjoyable
Have been using the finance excuse for years and is actually a myth... so badly run, a series of woeful managers, no pride in that traditional you mention. Am loathe to cite this rag but the misspending has been a joke...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10267415/Everton-splurged-500m-players-Farhad-Moshiri-waste.html
Wages played a massive part of the problem.
Moshiri was an unmitigated disaster.
It's not that he and Usminov didn't spend serious money, they did but on serious dirge.
He listened too much to that super agent Joorabchian and lined his pockets in a big way
Quote from: johnnycool on December 27, 2024, 09:04:10 PMQuote from: SaffronSports on December 26, 2024, 05:46:22 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 26, 2024, 05:16:42 PMQuote from: tiempo on December 26, 2024, 04:41:48 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 26, 2024, 02:49:48 PMAvoiding relegation is now cause for celebration at Everton. A club that has lost all ambition and pride #useless
At present they don't have the finance players or management to expect more, they're in a permanent cycle of develop and burn, 1 step forward 2 steps back since Moyes left, still admirable club with a solid history who should expect to improve in time. The stadium move is progressive but it's a shame to see Goodison close it's doors, great traditional stadium, got to 1 PL game in it, was thoroughly enjoyable
Have been using the finance excuse for years and is actually a myth... so badly run, a series of woeful managers, no pride in that traditional you mention. Am loathe to cite this rag but the misspending has been a joke...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10267415/Everton-splurged-500m-players-Farhad-Moshiri-waste.html
Wages played a massive part of the problem.
Moshiri was an unmitigated disaster.
It's not that he and Usminov didn't spend serious money, they did but on serious dirge.
He listened too much to that super agent Joorabchian and lined his pockets in a big way
Whole attitude at a once great club has been wrong for a long time. Mediocrity treated as success, huge celebrations for avoiding relegation, treating Rooney like royalty when he returned long past his best, a feeder club for 'top' teams, Frankie the Tory Lampard... a complete sh*tshow. No pride from a club once aspired to win leagues and in Europe...
A rare win for Man City this afternoon. Nottingham Forest 2-0 ahead against Everton away and a win will move them into 2nd place the table for the day.
Could be a tricky game this for Liverpool, West ham have been on a decent run lately.
With the chasing pack not that far behind Liverpool won't want to drop any points.
Salah is absurd.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 29, 2024, 06:00:37 PMSalah is absurd.
He is superb. His stats are outrageous.
Liverpool extremely impressive in that first half. So close to being 1-1 when Kudus hit the post and a few minutes later they are 2-0 up.
Quote from: gawa316 on December 27, 2024, 12:08:19 AMWhat stage of hate/hurt/rage etc are you in when you completely ignore how shite your own team is, and concentrate on building up your main rivals who are really good, in the hope that they will fail and you can then say they bottled it? Remember being an immature 13 year old when I did this in the hope that it would mask the hurt but ultimately it didn't...anyway asking for a friend
Absolutely hit the nail on the head. It's actually quite impressive the dedication of it all.
It's also hilariously sad.
The self proclaimed Cowboy Electrician from Laois must be gleefully looking at his quadruple betting slip after each cruise control Liverpool win.
Obvious getting triggered 🤣🤣
That's not part of the skit
Quote from: jcpen on December 29, 2024, 06:06:45 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on December 29, 2024, 06:00:37 PMSalah is absurd.
He is superb. His stats are outrageous.
Liverpool extremely impressive in that first half. So close to being 1-1 when Kudus hit the post and a few minutes later they are 2-0 up.
Diaz hugely upping his stats end product wise this season as well. They are a joy to watch. So many assists in the team too. Their long range passing from deep is brilliant. You are never safe against them, they'll pin point it in behind you from 60 yards.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 29, 2024, 06:25:04 PMObvious getting triggered 🤣🤣
That's not part of the skit
Bantz and bites ;D
Oh look another ridiculous Salah assist.
For the Liverpool fans here who watch all the games. I know Slot has tweaked things but how much did Klopp trying to almost force Nunez into being the main man hurt the team?
Quote from: Look-Up! on December 29, 2024, 06:29:18 PMQuote from: jcpen on December 29, 2024, 06:06:45 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on December 29, 2024, 06:00:37 PMSalah is absurd.
He is superb. His stats are outrageous.
Liverpool extremely impressive in that first half. So close to being 1-1 when Kudus hit the post and a few minutes later they are 2-0 up.
Diaz hugely upping his stats end product wise this season as well. They are a joy to watch. So many assists in the team too. Their long range passing from deep is brilliant. You are never safe against them, they'll pin point it in behind you from 60 yards.
Big differentiator, variety. It really is a shame City's cheating prevented a golden era because it was there and they deserved more. Big favs obviously for this title but work to be done yet, it'll take an injury to VVD or Salah to really derail them
Odds to win the league title for the current top 5.
Liverpool 1/4
Nottm Forest 80/1
Arsenal 4/1
Chelsea 18/1
Man City 33/1
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 29, 2024, 04:30:07 PMA rare win for Man City this afternoon. Nottingham Forest 2-0 ahead against Everton away and a win will move them into 2nd place the table for the day.
While the Premier League is almost certainly gone for Man City I wouldn't be surprised to see Pep turn their form around and maybe even win the Champions League.
Forest look the part. Clough brought them up steadily like this in 79/80.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on December 29, 2024, 09:57:31 PMForest look the part. Clough brought them up steadily like this in 79/80.
They really are looking great . Could they do another Leicester?
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 29, 2024, 11:03:59 PMQuote from: Aaron Boone on December 29, 2024, 09:57:31 PMForest look the part. Clough brought them up steadily like this in 79/80.
They really are looking great . Could they do another Leicester?
Leicester had Spurs as the main rivals in winning that title.
It was like having Mayo as your opponents in an AI Final.
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 29, 2024, 11:03:59 PMQuote from: Aaron Boone on December 29, 2024, 09:57:31 PMForest look the part. Clough brought them up steadily like this in 79/80.
They really are looking great . Could they do another Leicester?
No.
That 2 nil for City really flatters them. Leicester were in control but just didn't have the killer touch.
As noted on comms City have no energy to press now. Like I'm not sure who they can even buy in January as Pep needs time to indoctrinate new lads.
Very few English men in those top teams in the league. 2 or 3. I thought Forest would have a few but they only started 2.
Quote from: gawa316 on December 30, 2024, 08:43:05 AMQuote from: jcpen on December 29, 2024, 06:32:48 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 29, 2024, 06:25:04 PMObvious getting triggered 🤣🤣
That's not part of the skit
Bantz and bites ;D
Mask slips...he's rajin!
Definition for "rajin" hardworking; diligent; industrious; studious.
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Quote from: gawa316 on December 30, 2024, 08:43:05 AMQuote from: jcpen on December 29, 2024, 06:32:48 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 29, 2024, 06:25:04 PMObvious getting triggered 🤣🤣
That's not part of the skit
Bantz and bites ;D
Mask slips...he's rajin!
The fume is real alright!
His mood won't be helped by what's happening at Old Trafford tonight.
If Ipswich win he'll maybe be brave enough to bet big on Pool and show us all the betting slip 🤭
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 30, 2024, 09:05:58 PMIf Ipswich win he'll maybe be brave enough to bet big on Pool and show us all the betting slip 🤭
Anyone that took my advice back in November can thank me later once collecting the winnings.
Jcpen, I Didn't know matches was on tonight. For a Liverpool supporter you are very obsessed about Manchester United.
Chelsea losing to relegation candidates tonight without scoring. No doubt you, Larry and Curly will continue the mental gymnastics to talk up challengers before Liverpool officially win this seasons league title with a few games to spare.
Captain Triggered. Name change incoming. Or Trigger for short
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 31, 2024, 01:18:33 AMCaptain Triggered. Name change incoming. Or Trigger for short
;D
I really thought Chelsea looked like contenders a month ago. Not looking likely now.
In reality it is Liverpool's to lose. Such an impressive job by Slot, that seems to be rarely mentioned in the media.
Beggan wouldn't have conceded direct from corners lol.
Give this manager time, the league campaign is fucked anyway.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 31, 2024, 01:18:33 AMCaptain Triggered. Name change incoming. Or Trigger for short
Man United losing again hasn't helped the situation,you'd think he be used to it by now.
This shambles will probably bring about a huge clear out that won't necessarily be a good thing either, contracts, wages and so on can leave it messy.
As mentioned before there are teams as bad as Utd below them, so they should be safe from relegation, just, mind you.
Loving the pile on, it's definitely warranted for a club like Utd. Shoe being on the other foot it would be the same.
But since Ferige they haven't really challenged and this is now the lowest point since then.
Been a strange season in that clubs like Forrest Fulham Bournemouth Brighton have troubled a lot of so called bigger teams.
Race for top 4 getting interesting now with Newcastle upturn in form.I would expect Liverpool and Arsenal will both make top 4 and the other two places between Newcastle,City and Chelsea. Chelsea not going with strongest side last night came back to haunt them. Forest deserve big credit for where they are especially after being hammered at both Arsenal and City would expect them to tail off.
The problem for Forest is that if they lost one player eg Wood or Gibbs-White it could derail them.
The others can survive. Even when Rodri gets back I don't think he has a magic wand, and City just seem dead on their feet right now. You would still be shocked if they didn't make top 4.
Newcastle have a brilliant balanced midfield and big units at the back. Trippier could go off and Livramento comes on. Then Hall is growing at left back. If Isak gets a knock though, they are in trouble. If they go in some cover in January they will keep building.
It'll be unusual in that City are not normally in the trenches at this stage. Liverpool are looking too good to drop off massively.
Quote from: statto on December 31, 2024, 10:41:51 AMRace for top 4 getting interesting now with Newcastle upturn in form.I would expect Liverpool and Arsenal will both make top 4 and the other two places between Newcastle,City and Chelsea. Chelsea not going with strongest side last night came back to haunt them. Forest deserve big credit for where they are especially after being hammered at both Arsenal and City would expect them to tail off.
It's almost certainly a top 5 race rather than top 4 , if talking about champions league qualification.
Will Arsenal drop points tonight? Always seems to be a nervy fixture for them against Brentford and usually just the odd goal in it. Brentford have been impeccable at home too but injuries might catch up with them. Very hard one to call but half expecting a draw.
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 01, 2025, 01:19:58 PMWill Arsenal drop points tonight? Always seems to be a nervy fixture for them against Brentford and usually just the odd goal in it. Brentford have been impeccable at home too but injuries might catch up with them. Very hard one to call but half expecting a draw.
Arsenal 3-1 winners. Brentford had a perfect home record until Nottingham Forest beat them 2-0 recently.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 01, 2025, 07:26:26 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 01, 2025, 01:19:58 PMWill Arsenal drop points tonight? Always seems to be a nervy fixture for them against Brentford and usually just the odd goal in it. Brentford have been impeccable at home too but injuries might catch up with them. Very hard one to call but half expecting a draw.
Arsenal 3-1 winners. Brentford had a perfect home record until Nottingham Forest beat them 2-0 recently.
Good win for Arsenal, comfortable in the end but could very easily have been 2 down. Brentford should be disappointed with a couple of the goals they conceded, very avoidable.
Joelinton just made a direct assist intercepting a pass with an open hand i.e. if the ball had not hit his open hand then it would have went to a Spurs player. Instead it released Anthony Gordon.
VAR was okay with this.
I'm honestly at a loss on this one.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 04, 2025, 12:49:27 PMJoelinton just made a direct assist intercepting a pass with an open hand i.e. if the ball had not hit his open hand then it would have went to a Spurs player. Instead it released Anthony Gordon.
VAR was okay with this.
I'm honestly at a loss on this one.
Crazy but great, as bet365 had an even money special on both teams scoring!! This has the makings of 6 goals
Big Ange has come in and transformed Tottenham they once said, on borrowed time now
How many PL grounds have covered dugouts? Is it purely down to losing seats behind them?
Thoroughly enjoyed that game today. Hard fought in difficult conditions, some proper old school physical battles too. I think both teams should be happy enough.
Liverpool could very easily have lost that but a draw does no real harm with other weekend results plus they got minutes into a couple of returning players. No ground lost, kick up the ass to a few of their players, should refocus things.
Man Utd looked at their lowest ebb coming into this but apparently it's the first time since the new man arrived that he has had consecutive training sessions to work with them. Whether that had any bearing on things only time will tell but they certainly looked up for a battle and can play with cohesion. Also hear the Martinez goal is the first by a United player at Anfield since Lingard in 2018 :o . Definitely one to build on.
Quote from: Turf on January 05, 2025, 08:18:45 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 05, 2025, 08:11:16 PMThoroughly enjoyed that game today. Hard fought in difficult conditions, some proper old school physical battles too. I think both teams should be happy enough.
Liverpool could very easily have lost that but a draw does no real harm with other weekend results plus they got minutes into a couple of returning players. No ground lost, kick up the ass to a few of their players, should refocus things.
Man Utd looked at their lowest ebb coming into this but apparently it's the first time since the new man arrived that he has had consecutive training sessions to work with them. Whether that had any bearing on things only time will tell but they certainly looked up for a battle and can play with cohesion. Also hear the Martinez goal is the first by a United player at Anfield since Lingard in 2018 :o . Definitely one to build on.
Man United were always going to be up for it, talk of 6,7-0 hammerings were always by opposing fans, didn't know any Liverpool fan that thought that.
These games league positions very rarely mean anything. When Man United were in their pomp Liverpool often gave them a beating or raised their game.
As for Liverpool you're right, nothing gained nothing lost just another game chalked off towards 38. Half way through the season now for Liverpool, we'd all have taken a 6 point lead and a game in hand at the start of the season.
Arsenal still close enough that we can't take anything for granted just need to keep winning games or at the very least match their results, Chelsea still sort of there but is a two horse race now imo.
City only 2 points behind Chelsea. Incredible when you think of how bad a run they've had. Goes to show just how good they were up to end of October.
Liverpool should be very happy with a 6 point cushion, 7 if you give them 1 for derby game in hand. Arsenal will drop plenty more points I feel.
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 05, 2025, 08:11:16 PMThoroughly enjoyed that game today. Hard fought in difficult conditions, some proper old school physical battles too. I think both teams should be happy enough.
Liverpool could very easily have lost that but a draw does no real harm with other weekend results plus they got minutes into a couple of returning players. No ground lost, kick up the ass to a few of their players, should refocus things.
Man Utd looked at their lowest ebb coming into this but apparently it's the first time since the new man arrived that he has had consecutive training sessions to work with them. Whether that had any bearing on things only time will tell but they certainly looked up for a battle and can play with cohesion. Also hear the Martinez goal is the first by a United player at Anfield since Lingard in 2018 :o . Definitely one to build on.
Commentator said the last time United scored at Anfield Mainoo was 13..
That was an enjoyable game alright, with a very exciting second half. Maguire should have won that for MU at the death, but the ball could have been laid on better. Liverpool
are dodgy enough at the back if teams show a bit more ambition and don't know how Alisson is keeping the number 1 spot from Kelleher. Poor for both those goals. Will be caught out badly soon.
Quote from: weareros on January 05, 2025, 09:53:33 PMThat was an enjoyable game alright, with a very exciting second half. Maguire should have won that for MU at the death, but the ball could have been laid on better. Liverpool
are dodgy enough at the back if teams show a bit more ambition and don't know how Alisson is keeping the number 1 spot from Kelleher. Poor for both those goals. Will be caught out badly soon.
I don't think with both Alisson and Kelleher in goal at the same time would have stopped that opening goal for United. Onana I thought should have saved the Salah penalty.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 05, 2025, 09:56:56 PMQuote from: weareros on January 05, 2025, 09:53:33 PMThat was an enjoyable game alright, with a very exciting second half. Maguire should have won that for MU at the death, but the ball could have been laid on better. Liverpool
are dodgy enough at the back if teams show a bit more ambition and don't know how Alisson is keeping the number 1 spot from Kelleher. Poor for both those goals. Will be caught out badly soon.
I don't think with both Alisson and Kelleher in goal at the same time would have stopped that opening goal for United. Onana I thought should have saved the Salah penalty.
Not sure if he should have saved it but he certainly got close to it.
I thought Onana had a decent game actually, made a great save from McAllister and another from Bradley near the end.
Is Kelleher of Liverpool moving on in the transfer window?
Quote from: marty34 on January 05, 2025, 10:31:42 PMIs Kelleher of Liverpool moving on in the transfer window?
Probably in the summer I would think.
Quote from: Turf on January 05, 2025, 10:42:04 PMQuote from: marty34 on January 05, 2025, 10:31:42 PMIs Kelleher of Liverpool moving on in the transfer window?
Probably in the summer I would think.
Coming into the last year of his contract, would love to keep him as back ups don't get much better.
Be interesting to see where he ends up
Julen Lopetegui is the latest winner of the sack race!
Quote from: Cortoon on January 08, 2025, 04:18:18 PMJulen Lopetegui is the latest winner of the sack race!
I was hoping Dyche would have finally beaten someone to something, but I'm not so sure about long face Graham Potter so maybe Everton have someone else to line up first.
Strange Potter hasn't got a job since Chelsea
Quote from: gawa316 on January 08, 2025, 04:37:09 PMStrange Potter hasn't got a job since Chelsea
I always wondered was he actually that good or was it the structure in place at Brighton that made him seem better than he was.
Quote from: SaffronSports on January 08, 2025, 06:02:38 PMQuote from: gawa316 on January 08, 2025, 04:37:09 PMStrange Potter hasn't got a job since Chelsea
I always wondered was he actually that good or was it the structure in place at Brighton that made him seem better than he was.
Was he not the one that basically did the job at Brighton, with those boys who came after him getting his credit?
Think Potter will be a better fit for West Ham. In hindsight the appointment of Lopetegui was a bizarre one considering that the issue with the fanbase with Moyes was the style of play. It was more or less Moyes 2.0. I would expect that the brand of football Potter likes to play should be more up Paqueta street and can expect to see more from Kudus, Sommerville, Fulkrug.
And the rumour was that West Ham considered Amorim in the summer but decided against him.
Potter will do ok there I'd say.
Dyche has to be on his last legs too. Although, they've Villa at home in the league next and Villa do love to hand out favours to out of form teams, or goals to people who haven't scored in months.
A few losses and Dyche out I would say.
Potter *should* be well suited to west ham. Will be interesting to see what he does. Despite the tanking against Man City they weren't actually that bad and had a few things went for them could have been very different. (They lost 3-0 to leicester in a game they should have probably won despite the scoreline. That result also kind of flatters Van Nistelroy who isn't setting the world alight though maybe doesn't have huge amounts to work with either).
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 09, 2025, 09:25:42 AMA few losses and Dyche out I would say.
Potter *should* be well suited to west ham. Will be interesting to see what he does. Despite the tanking against Man City they weren't actually that bad and had a few things went for them could have been very different. (They lost 3-0 to leicester in a game they should have probably won despite the scoreline. That result also kind of flatters Van Nistelroy who isn't setting the world alight though maybe doesn't have huge amounts to work with either).
McNeil has been a big loss for Everton had 3 goals and 5 assists in 13 games they have only scored in 4 of the last 13 games so poor at the top end of the pitch. It looks like between them Ipswich, Wolves at the moment for the last spot but Wolves and Ipswich have goals in them, I think they are in desperate trouble.
Yeah I would agree. Good point on McNeil too - I forgot about him. Leicester look stuffed. I wonder would they get rid of Ruud if they continue as they are because he hasn't really changed much.
Wolves 2 wins out of 3 since new manager and only beat by forest who are a good team. Be interesting to see if they can sustain it. Ipswich aren't a bad team either - McKenna seems a fairly clued in manager.
The Moyesiah is back 🤓
Do the peoples club thing again David 🤭
West Ham have football notions so Moyes parting made sense.
Everton will be a bit of a mess for at least another year while the move settles so Moyes is a good choice.
Also his style of football is much more pleasant than Dyche of he gets a few quality players.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 11, 2025, 11:29:58 AMWest Ham have football notions so Moyes parting made sense.
Everton will be a bit of a mess for at least another year while the move settles so Moyes is a good choice.
Also his style of football is much more pleasant than Dyche of he gets a few quality players.
Did the West Ham fans not want rid of Moyes due to his style of play?
Kyle Walker could be heading out of Manchester City. He has asked for a move abroad.
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 12, 2025, 12:06:58 AMKyle Walker could be heading out of Manchester City. He has asked for a move abroad.
I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't go to Saudi Arabia considering some of the bills he has landed on himself running 2 families!
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 12, 2025, 12:06:58 AMKyle Walker could be heading out of Manchester City. He has asked for a move abroad.
Maybe real madrid have been in contact with him after watching Trent vs united.
There were some rumours about Saudi earlier in the week so he'll probably land there.
Quote from: SaffronSports on January 12, 2025, 12:25:48 AMThere were some rumours about Saudi earlier in the week so he'll probably land there.
If he has any ambition of making the England squad for the World Cup then a Saudi move wouldn't make sense. Although obviously the money would be hard to turn down.
Deffo end of an era for city if he moves. One of their Mainstays. Rebuild time but finances will be available you'd guess
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 12, 2025, 12:39:50 AMDeffo end of an era for city if he moves. One of their Mainstays. Rebuild time but finances will be available you'd guess
City are one of the last clubs that need to rebuild with the depth and young talent they have. Cover for rodri would be the obvious priority. Even with their current squad they will be favourites for all competitions next season.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on January 12, 2025, 02:09:37 AMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 12, 2025, 12:39:50 AMDeffo end of an era for city if he moves. One of their Mainstays. Rebuild time but finances will be available you'd guess
City are one of the last clubs that need to rebuild with the depth and young talent they have. Cover for rodri would be the obvious priority. Even with their current squad they will be favourites for all competitions next season.
Depth is far from great going by their form in Premier League and Champions League this season. How many of those young talents I wonder will be City players in two or three years time.
Crucial set of fixtures coming up in the next few weeks. Liverpool just need to maintain pace and see who falls off. If they don't collapse, hard to see the likes of Arsenal, Forest or Chelsea catching them. Those clubs will be doing well to see 80 points. Failing that, that would leave the reds only needing 34 points to beat them with half of their games remaining.
Newcastle and Man City absolutely must wins their next 3 games to even be in the outside chance conversation. But in the case of City, if they win their next 6, they will be serious contenders and maybe moving into category of slight favourites. It would mean wins against Chelsea, Arsenal, Newcastle and Liverpool with the latter having to receive Newcastle at Anfield 3 days after losing at the Etihad. That would represent serious momentum for the sky blues and serious pressure on the leaders.
If I could be bothered I'd stick an oul tenner on city tbh, there's no one capable of going on a run like them as we all know
Quote from: statto on January 11, 2025, 12:18:58 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on January 11, 2025, 11:29:58 AMWest Ham have football notions so Moyes parting made sense.
Everton will be a bit of a mess for at least another year while the move settles so Moyes is a good choice.
Also his style of football is much more pleasant than Dyche of he gets a few quality players.
Did the West Ham fans not want rid of Moyes due to his style of play?
Oh that's what I mean, they have notions of the West Ham Way - whatever the feck that is?! It seems to involve the odd flair player and then getting relegated a lot...
In terms of Walker, even with his age, his pure pace and power meant that City could play so high up. Even with younger lads they don't have any players close to his speed to sweep.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 14, 2025, 01:24:45 PMQuote from: statto on January 11, 2025, 12:18:58 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on January 11, 2025, 11:29:58 AMWest Ham have football notions so Moyes parting made sense.
Everton will be a bit of a mess for at least another year while the move settles so Moyes is a good choice.
Also his style of football is much more pleasant than Dyche of he gets a few quality players.
Did the West Ham fans not want rid of Moyes due to his style of play?
Oh that's what I mean, they have notions of the West Ham Way - whatever the feck that is?! It seems to involve the odd flair player and then getting relegated a lot...
In terms of Walker, even with his age, his pure pace and power meant that City could play so high up. Even with younger lads they don't have any players close to his speed to sweep.
Walker has been a liability this season and even when fit wasn't a guaranteed starter.
City should cash in, but I'm not sure that Rico Lewis is the answer.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 14, 2025, 01:23:45 PMIf I could be bothered I'd stick an oul tenner on city tbh, there's no one capable of going on a run like them as we all know
They're 25/1 for a reason and if they don't win their next 3 games it should be longer than that. But if they do, get a good transfer window completed, and win the next 3 after that, the bit will be between the teeth and the cat well amongst the pigeons.
In any case the way the fixtures are falling from now till mid Feb, I think it will wipe out a good few teams from a race they're only hanging onto by a thread. Might even be done and dusted.
I know he has been dodgy but it shows how stuck in his ways Pep is too. He needs to rely on him to cover up with his pace. When he is off, there is no player to do that and Pep won't lie any deeper.
Kvaratskhelia at Napoli is the player all the top Premier league teams need, whale of a player, seems to be moving in this window, to PSG in a farmers league sadly, seems available at a reasonable enough £80m, would improve all of big clubs straight away, surprised Napoli are going to sell as it'll pull the handbrake on their title push
Quote from: tiempo on January 14, 2025, 07:37:59 PMKvaratskhelia at Napoli is the player all the top Premier league teams need, whale of a player, seems to be moving in this window, to PSG in a farmers league sadly, seems available at a reasonable enough £80m, would improve all of big clubs straight away, surprised Napoli are going to sell as it'll pull the handbrake on their title push
He's too slow for the PL. Gets away with it in Italy as his talent goes a long way but he's not fast enough for top PL sides.
Talent hanging out of him, I think he'd stand out, only 23, not sure about his pace per se but plenty of power and time to add a bit of bulk power too
How does Jota not get on this Liverpool team? Is he injured or is there a player better?
Liverpool are rattled here.
Can see Forest scoring more.
It didn't take much to make Liverpool wobble.
Another springtime slump about to happen.
Slot definitely as animated on the sideline as Klopp.
There's no way Forrest can keep up that pace for 95 minutes
How long till Liverpool rightfully take the title of the premier leagues biggest bottlers from Spurs?
Quote from: Brendan on January 14, 2025, 08:40:58 PMHow long till Liverpool rightfully take the title of the premier leagues biggest bottlers from Spurs?
They've led 6 times at Xmas and closed the deal once.
Man City dropped more points with conceding in added time v Brentford.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 14, 2025, 09:30:23 PMMan City dropped more points with conceding in added time v Brentford.
Brentford were the better team for the last 45 minutes. Fair scoreline
Title is there for anyone that puts their head down
Thought Liverpool came back well, took 3 or 4 top class saves to stop them winning.
Great game for the neutral. Great to see Forest doing well.
Matz Sels the Forest Keeper earned the point for the home with a number of top saves in the final 15 minutes or so. Before that for 70 minutes he hadn't a save to make and Liverpool scored from their first shot on target. Liverpool a different team with Jota on the field.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2025, 08:16:07 PMHow does Jota not get on this Liverpool team? Is he injured or is there a player better?
As I was saying
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2025, 10:24:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2025, 08:16:07 PMHow does Jota not get on this Liverpool team? Is he injured or is there a player better?
As I was saying
Jota missed a couple months out injured. He's currently being eased back into fitness and form after getting back a few weeks ago.
Quote from: J70 on January 14, 2025, 11:03:18 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2025, 10:24:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2025, 08:16:07 PMHow does Jota not get on this Liverpool team? Is he injured or is there a player better?
As I was saying
Jota missed a couple months out injured. He's currently being eased back into fitness and form after getting back a few weeks ago.
He's the player you want in any team, the effort he puts in, is what's needed
Quote from: Dag Dog on January 14, 2025, 08:47:26 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2025, 08:40:58 PMHow long till Liverpool rightfully take the title of the premier leagues biggest bottlers from Spurs?
They've led 6 times at Xmas and closed the deal once.
Christmas is half way through the season. Leading the league with a few games to go or having a big lead and losing it would be bottling. Those few seasons when they finished second behind city with 90+ points can hardly be labelled as bottling it. The only time I can think where Liverpool Bottled it was 13/14 when they had it in their hands with 3 games to go. But in fairness that season Arsenal and Chelsea were top majority of the season but Liverpool won something like 11 games in a row to take over.
Funny thing is the same people claiming it would be a bottle job if Liverpool don't win it are the same that were claiming they wouldn't even finish top 4 this season with Klopp leaving. As for the Spurs claim, I don't remember Spurs ever bottling a league title but understand the "Spursy" tag where they can beat a top team but lose to an underdog.
Seems to be United and Arsenal fans calling Liverpool Bottlers. I can't blame them as for United the only thing they have over Liverpool is the 1 more league title. And as for Arsenal it must be sickening seeing their best team in 20 years with nothing but an FA cup.
Liverpool were the only team to win a league during City's dominance over the last 7 or 8 years. Liverpool have won every single trophy over the last 5 years yet there's idiots like yourselfs trying to make a claim for them being the biggest bottlers 😂. Concentrate on your own clubs rather than the most successful football club in the country.
I've always thought this leading at Christmas thing is a bit of nonsense.
Probably a Sky Sports invention to drum up hype and lapped up by people who know no better.
Its not even half way through the season really based on number of games most clubs will have played at that stage.
Who cares FFS.
Quote from: Dag Dog on January 14, 2025, 08:47:26 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2025, 08:40:58 PMHow long till Liverpool rightfully take the title of the premier leagues biggest bottlers from Spurs?
They've led 6 times at Xmas and closed the deal once.
Eh? They have 19 league titles?
Quote from: jcpen on January 15, 2025, 07:04:10 AMI've always thought this leading at Christmas thing is a bit of nonsense.
Probably a Sky Sports invention to drum up hype and lapped up by people who know no better.
Its not even half way through the season really based on number of games most clubs will have played at that stage.
Who cares FFS.
You obviously with this post, and Turf and the missing LL ;D
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 15, 2025, 07:17:25 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on January 14, 2025, 08:47:26 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2025, 08:40:58 PMHow long till Liverpool rightfully take the title of the premier leagues biggest bottlers from Spurs?
They've led 6 times at Xmas and closed the deal once.
Eh? They have 19 league titles?
Read the quoted posts and try again.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on January 15, 2025, 03:02:42 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on January 14, 2025, 08:47:26 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2025, 08:40:58 PMHow long till Liverpool rightfully take the title of the premier leagues biggest bottlers from Spurs?
They've led 6 times at Xmas and closed the deal once.
Liverpool were the only team to win a league during City's dominance over the last 7 or 8 years. Liverpool have won every single trophy over the last 5 years yet there's idiots like yourselfs trying to make a claim for them being the biggest bottlers 😂. Concentrate on your own clubs rather than the most successful football club in the country.
One league, one FA Cup and one Champions League in Klopp's decade. That's hardly a golden era.
Quote from: Dag Dog on January 15, 2025, 07:34:10 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on January 15, 2025, 07:17:25 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on January 14, 2025, 08:47:26 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2025, 08:40:58 PMHow long till Liverpool rightfully take the title of the premier leagues biggest bottlers from Spurs?
They've led 6 times at Xmas and closed the deal once.
Eh? They have 19 league titles?
Read the quoted posts and try again.
I did and I'm still lost. Did they not lead at Christmas for any of the 18 other times they won the league or have I got that wrong?
You arent making any sense.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 15, 2025, 07:39:16 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on January 15, 2025, 07:34:10 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on January 15, 2025, 07:17:25 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on January 14, 2025, 08:47:26 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2025, 08:40:58 PMHow long till Liverpool rightfully take the title of the premier leagues biggest bottlers from Spurs?
They've led 6 times at Xmas and closed the deal once.
Eh? They have 19 league titles?
Read the quoted posts and try again.
I did and I'm still lost. Did they not lead at Christmas for any of the 18 other times they won the league or have I got that wrong?
You arent making any sense.
You're right about one thing, you are lost.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 14, 2025, 09:30:23 PMMan City dropped more points with conceding in added time v Brentford.
They have Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Newcastle and Spurs all to play in the next few weeks.
Quote from: Dag Dog on January 15, 2025, 07:45:10 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on January 15, 2025, 07:39:16 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on January 15, 2025, 07:34:10 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on January 15, 2025, 07:17:25 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on January 14, 2025, 08:47:26 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2025, 08:40:58 PMHow long till Liverpool rightfully take the title of the premier leagues biggest bottlers from Spurs?
They've led 6 times at Xmas and closed the deal once.
Eh? They have 19 league titles?
Read the quoted posts and try again.
I did and I'm still lost. Did they not lead at Christmas for any of the 18 other times they won the league or have I got that wrong?
You arent making any sense.
You're right about one thing, you are lost.
What does being top at Christmas really mean though? Its nonsense. Not even half way through the season.
It means a lot to Brendan & Dag Dog
Team in 1st draws away to the team in 3rd, (now 2nd.) Keeping them at arms length. A good result.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on January 15, 2025, 03:02:42 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on January 14, 2025, 08:47:26 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2025, 08:40:58 PMHow long till Liverpool rightfully take the title of the premier leagues biggest bottlers from Spurs?
They've led 6 times at Xmas and closed the deal once.
Christmas is half way through the season. Leading the league with a few games to go or having a big lead and losing it would be bottling. Those few seasons when they finished second behind city with 90+ points can hardly be labelled as bottling it. The only time I can think where Liverpool Bottled it was 13/14 when they had it in their hands with 3 games to go. But in fairness that season Arsenal and Chelsea were top majority of the season but Liverpool won something like 11 games in a row to take over.
Funny thing is the same people claiming it would be a bottle job if Liverpool don't win it are the same that were claiming they wouldn't even finish top 4 this season with Klopp leaving. As for the Spurs claim, I don't remember Spurs ever bottling a league title but understand the "Spursy" tag where they can beat a top team but lose to an underdog.
Seems to be United and Arsenal fans calling Liverpool Bottlers. I can't blame them as for United the only thing they have over Liverpool is the 1 more league title. And as for Arsenal it must be sickening seeing their best team in 20 years with nothing but an FA cup.
Liverpool were the only team to win a league during City's dominance over the last 7 or 8 years. Liverpool have won every single trophy over the last 5 years yet there's idiots like yourselfs trying to make a claim for them being the biggest bottlers 😂. Concentrate on your own clubs rather than the most successful football club in the country.
Spurs ended up 3rd in a 2 horse race when they had their chance down the stretch with Leicester.
Quote from: Dag Dog on January 15, 2025, 07:38:37 AMQuote from: Easttyrone23 on January 15, 2025, 03:02:42 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on January 14, 2025, 08:47:26 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2025, 08:40:58 PMHow long till Liverpool rightfully take the title of the premier leagues biggest bottlers from Spurs?
They've led 6 times at Xmas and closed the deal once.
Liverpool were the only team to win a league during City's dominance over the last 7 or 8 years. Liverpool have won every single trophy over the last 5 years yet there's idiots like yourselfs trying to make a claim for them being the biggest bottlers 😂. Concentrate on your own clubs rather than the most successful football club in the country.
One league, one FA Cup and one Champions League in Klopp's decade. That's hardly a golden era.
Perhaps not, but given where Liverpool were at when he took over and the petrostate behemoth he was up against, Klopp did an outstanding job at Liverpool. The league title he did win took an unprecedented, and unlikely to be repeated, run of form to push City aside. The two he lost were by a whisker. Throw in three CL final appearances, one of which was totally unexpected. In terms of overall impact on the club, he's second only to Shankly. Hopefully Slot has it in him to build on it like Paisley did. But it's been a pretty f**king sweet decade to follow Liverpool.
Quote from: J70 on January 15, 2025, 10:45:23 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on January 15, 2025, 07:38:37 AMQuote from: Easttyrone23 on January 15, 2025, 03:02:42 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on January 14, 2025, 08:47:26 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 14, 2025, 08:40:58 PMHow long till Liverpool rightfully take the title of the premier leagues biggest bottlers from Spurs?
They've led 6 times at Xmas and closed the deal once.
Liverpool were the only team to win a league during City's dominance over the last 7 or 8 years. Liverpool have won every single trophy over the last 5 years yet there's idiots like yourselfs trying to make a claim for them being the biggest bottlers 😂. Concentrate on your own clubs rather than the most successful football club in the country.
One league, one FA Cup and one Champions League in Klopp's decade. That's hardly a golden era.
Perhaps not, but given where Liverpool were at when he took over and the petrostate behemoth he was up against, Klopp did an outstanding job at Liverpool. The league title he did win took an unprecedented, and unlikely to be repeated, run of form to push City aside. The two he lost were by a whisker. Throw in three CL final appearances, one of which was totally unexpected. In terms of overall impact on the club, he's second only to Shankly. Hopefully Slot has it in him to build on it like Paisley did. But it's been a pretty f**king sweet decade to follow Liverpool.
He also omitted another league club, a club super cup and a club world cup. It was also 8 years not 10.
Beside the silverware Klopp changed the culture and mindset at the club and among the supporters. No mean feat for anyone to achieve this.
Klopp took over a club that nearly won a Premier League the year before, but for Gerrard's slip.
It's not like he took over Accrington Stanley.
Ferguson also had to contend with Blackburn, Chelsea and Man City who all bought their league wins in his era.
Klopp facing off against City is nothing unique.
Quote from: Dag Dog on January 15, 2025, 11:39:58 AMKlopp took over a club that nearly won a Premier League the year before, but for Gerrard's slip.
It's not like he took over Accrington Stanley.
Ferguson also had to contend with Blackburn, Chelsea and Man City who all bought their league wins in his era.
Klopp facing off against City is nothing unique.
Wrong.... again!!
Liverpool finished
6th the year before, and were
10th when Klopp took over in October 2015.
Please continue to repeatedly make an eejit of yourself. It's great entertainment.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 15, 2025, 12:11:06 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on January 15, 2025, 11:39:58 AMKlopp took over a club that nearly won a Premier League the year before, but for Gerrard's slip.
It's not like he took over Accrington Stanley.
Ferguson also had to contend with Blackburn, Chelsea and Man City who all bought their league wins in his era.
Klopp facing off against City is nothing unique.
Wrong.... again!!
Liverpool finished 6th the year before, and were 10th when Klopp took over in October 2015.
Please continue to repeatedly make an eejit of yourself. It's great entertainment.
Klopp took over in 2015, the year before was 2014.
It shouldn't be that hard for you...but apparently it is.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 15, 2025, 12:11:06 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on January 15, 2025, 11:39:58 AMKlopp took over a club that nearly won a Premier League the year before, but for Gerrard's slip.
It's not like he took over Accrington Stanley.
Ferguson also had to contend with Blackburn, Chelsea and Man City who all bought their league wins in his era.
Klopp facing off against City is nothing unique.
Wrong.... again!!
Liverpool finished 6th the year before, and were 10th when Klopp took over in October 2015.
Please continue to repeatedly make an eejit of yourself. It's great entertainment.
RedHand what have I told you about arguing with a fool before
Klopp was a huge success and would have been great had Utd got him, thems the breaks
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 15, 2025, 12:33:50 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on January 15, 2025, 12:11:06 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on January 15, 2025, 11:39:58 AMKlopp took over a club that nearly won a Premier League the year before, but for Gerrard's slip.
It's not like he took over Accrington Stanley.
Ferguson also had to contend with Blackburn, Chelsea and Man City who all bought their league wins in his era.
Klopp facing off against City is nothing unique.
Wrong.... again!!
Liverpool finished 6th the year before, and were 10th when Klopp took over in October 2015.
Please continue to repeatedly make an eejit of yourself. It's great entertainment.
RedHand what have I told you about arguing with a fool before
😁... A new year's resolution, that I broke yesterday
Quote from: JoG2 on January 15, 2025, 12:41:11 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 15, 2025, 12:33:50 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on January 15, 2025, 12:11:06 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on January 15, 2025, 11:39:58 AMKlopp took over a club that nearly won a Premier League the year before, but for Gerrard's slip.
It's not like he took over Accrington Stanley.
Ferguson also had to contend with Blackburn, Chelsea and Man City who all bought their league wins in his era.
Klopp facing off against City is nothing unique.
Wrong.... again!!
Liverpool finished 6th the year before, and were 10th when Klopp took over in October 2015.
Please continue to repeatedly make an eejit of yourself. It's great entertainment.
RedHand what have I told you about arguing with a fool before
😁... A new year's resolution, that I broke yesterday
Lol. I had a reply typed earlier but then deleted I'll confess 😆
A person who can't tell the difference between a football season and a calendar year, and can't tell the difference between the Football League and Premier League should continue to step out of debates. ;D
BBC has confirmed that Kelly Cates, Mark Chapman and Gabby Logan will be the new Match Of The Day presenters from next season. Could they not settle on one?
very rarely watch, will probably not bother now with it.. Chappers is decent though
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 15, 2025, 03:00:30 PMBBC has confirmed that Kelly Cates, Mark Chapman and Gabby Logan will be the new Match Of The Day presenters from next season. Could they not settle on one?
The path of the least controversy
Well they're all the same colour and straight afaik, some peeps won't be happy.
Have I opened a can of worms 😜
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 15, 2025, 04:49:32 PMWell they're all the same colour and straight afaik, some peeps won't be happy.
Have I opened a can of worms 😜
Regardless of any of that, they are all good at presenting TV shows, which is what should actually matter. I think it's a good line up
Quote from: gawa316 on January 15, 2025, 04:51:22 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 15, 2025, 04:49:32 PMWell they're all the same colour and straight afaik, some peeps won't be happy.
Have I opened a can of worms 😜
Regardless of any of that, they are all good at presenting TV shows, which is what should actually matter. I think it's a good line up
Agreed. Tho I don't tip in much these days tbh
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 15, 2025, 05:05:00 PMQuote from: gawa316 on January 15, 2025, 04:51:22 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 15, 2025, 04:49:32 PMWell they're all the same colour and straight afaik, some peeps won't be happy.
Have I opened a can of worms 😜
Regardless of any of that, they are all good at presenting TV shows, which is what should actually matter. I think it's a good line up
Agreed. Tho I don't tip in much these days tbh
Yes they are all excellent broadcasters.
Ange just took off 2 dm's for 2 am's at ht. Man has no fucks to give lolol
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 15, 2025, 09:32:53 PMAnge just took off 2 dm's for 2 am's at ht. Man has no fucks to give lolol
It was the right move. Sarr and Bissouma were absolute passengers. Spurs got a hold of possession somewhat after that.
Jees Wobbler dunno. A good attacking team wouldve had a field day
Since Spurs beat Man City 4-0 they've only picked up five points out of a possible 27.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 15, 2025, 10:46:27 PMJees Wobbler dunno. A good attacking team wouldve had a field day
I think that was the point of the changes though. Arsenal (without Saka) aren't a good attacking team, but Spurs couldn't get out of their own half for 45 mins.
Another win for Newcastle last night. They are flying. Are they in the title race?
Quote from: jcpen on January 16, 2025, 05:51:09 AMAnother win for Newcastle last night. They are flying. Are they in the title race?
At 66/1 with the bookies even a blind man would see that's going to be tough
Quote from: jcpen on January 16, 2025, 05:51:09 AMAnother win for Newcastle last night. They are flying. Are they in the title race?
I saw Shearer last night say that they are, when the reality is that they arent. They are flying though and would definitely fancy another go at Champions League football next year.
Quote from: lurganblue on January 16, 2025, 08:43:10 AMQuote from: jcpen on January 16, 2025, 05:51:09 AMAnother win for Newcastle last night. They are flying. Are they in the title race?
I saw Shearer last night say that they are, when the reality is that they arent. They are flying though and would definitely fancy another go at Champions League football next year.
They're half in it. If they keep their first 11 fit they would likely win the vast majority of their matches, which would take 80+ points to topple. Scouse are obviously on course to demolish 80 points but nobody else is, and that's the only one Newcastle wouldn't be able to reel in; they'd need a Liverpool mini collapse.
Newcastle's problem is that once they get past a very well-balanced and top class first 11-13 players, they are a below mid table table.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 16, 2025, 09:18:39 AMQuote from: lurganblue on January 16, 2025, 08:43:10 AMQuote from: jcpen on January 16, 2025, 05:51:09 AMAnother win for Newcastle last night. They are flying. Are they in the title race?
I saw Shearer last night say that they are, when the reality is that they arent. They are flying though and would definitely fancy another go at Champions League football next year.
They're half in it. If they keep their first 11 fit they would likely win the vast majority of their matches, which would take 80+ points to topple. Scouse are obviously on course to demolish 80 points but nobody else is, and that's the only one Newcastle wouldn't be able to reel in; they'd need a Liverpool mini collapse.
Newcastle's problem is that once they get past a very well-balanced and top class first 11-13 players, they are a below mid table table.
Liverpool as you say are the only team likely to hit 80 plus points this season. Arsenal will probably get around 75 to 78 points.
Forest doing great but a drop-off expected and will likely finish outside the top 4 come the end of the season.
Chelsea,Newcastle,Man City perhaps 68 to 73 points they'll get? Looking at coefficient table the 5th placed team may well get Champions League football next season I bet City will be the lucky ones.
A team that hasn't scored from a corner against the team that lets in the most from corners lol
Manchester Rangers. Only up for the big games
Never in doubt
Good man benny
What a man
8 points from safety for Utd, The Saints are down so, two from:
Ipswich Wolves Leicester and Everton
Would like to see Everton go down. They've been teetering for years so time for them to fall over that cliff.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2025, 11:06:32 PM8 points from safety for Utd, The Saints are down so, two from:
Ipswich Wolves Leicester and Everton
Jcpen must be thinking they are flying and wondering are they in the title race?
Haalands new contract is 800k plus pw
That Semenya from Bournemouth bound to move to a bigger club soon
Today's musings thus far 😋🤝
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 18, 2025, 12:45:15 PMHaalands new contract is 800k plus pw
That Semenya from Bournemouth bound to move to a bigger club soon
Today's musings thus far 😋🤝
Mental.
FFP??
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 18, 2025, 12:45:15 PMHaalands new contract is 800k plus pw
That Semenya from Bournemouth bound to move to a bigger club soon
Today's musings thus far 😋🤝
And Iraola.
Newcastle fans booing Bournemouth for time wasting. Ultimate irony.
Quote from: Sportacus on January 18, 2025, 01:09:40 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 18, 2025, 12:45:15 PMHaalands new contract is 800k plus pw
That Semenya from Bournemouth bound to move to a bigger club soon
Today's musings thus far 😋🤝
And Iraola.
Tottenham will likely be looking for a new manager in the summer and would be a good fit.
Quote from: Sportacus on January 18, 2025, 02:07:42 PMNewcastle fans booing Bournemouth for time wasting. Ultimate irony.
Maybe Shearer will stop calling them title contenders now!
Just a shit Andy Carroll...
That will piss a lot of people off ;D
V little chaos this year but Captain Chaos returns 😎🤣
Slots subs off the bench have made a massive impact.
Today showed the difference in quality between 1st and 2nd in the table.
Liverpool level and found a way to win in added time. Arsenal 2-0 ahead and end up drawing.
Liverpool in the box seat 6 points clear with a hand and still have to to play Arsenal in Anfield.
Agreed.
Happy for Nunez. Gets a lot of stick but he keeps ploughing on.
Arsenal haven't the bottle.
I'd say they haven't the squad. 'Bottle' is something the Brit Talksporters use as 'banter'.
Haven't the bottle it is so.
They could have all the bottle in the world and it wouldn't make any difference if they have Partey at right back. His attempt at marking Watkins for the equaliser was hilariously bad.
Arteta is a poor manager. Your never going to win a title with those striker options. He should have known that for the last 3 seasons and still failed to get one in.
As poor a PL as I remember. One when city aren't even in the mix and Arsenal still balls it up. It's been won by liverpool since November. Yesterday's late win for them is what champions do.
Quote from: jcpen on January 18, 2025, 10:02:22 PMArsenal haven't the bottle.
Bottle implies letting the pressure get to you to the point of not performing to the best of your ability. In Arsenal's case is it not more due to not having enough squad strength? They just don't have the players to come in to stand in for the likes of Saka. Liverpool have a much stronger squad.
Quote from: Armamike on January 19, 2025, 12:54:26 PMQuote from: jcpen on January 18, 2025, 10:02:22 PMArsenal haven't the bottle.
Bottle implies letting the pressure get to you to the point of not performing to the best of your ability. In Arsenal's case is it not more due to not having enough squad strength? They just don't have the players to come in to stand in for the likes of Saka. Liverpool have a much stronger squad.
No, a beer swilling bar stooler who probably couldn't kick snow off a rope is telling you these elite players haven't the bottle... Lock it in
Pool fans not happy with overall depth in midfield and centre half but when you look at forward line we can't complain, 6 solid options compared to arsenals 3/4, even more so if the likes of Nunez and chiesa get the finger out
Making mistakes, Is nothing to do without having bottle.
Is there no such thing as just losing any more?
Everything is 'bottling' to the Tiktok generation.
Quote from: snoopdog on January 19, 2025, 12:36:44 PMArteta is a poor manager. Your never going to win a title with those striker options. He should have known that for the last 3 seasons and still failed to get one in.
As poor a PL as I remember. One when city aren't even in the mix and Arsenal still balls it up. It's been won by liverpool since November. Yesterday's late win for them is what champions do.
He's a pain in the hole, their fans are also. Crying yesterday that the handball goal shouldn't have been disallowed.
A very unlikable team and fan base imo.
They also haven't got the bottle.
Everton 2 up on Spurs. Ange can't last must longer surely.
Quote from: jcpen on January 19, 2025, 02:39:52 PMEverton 2 up on Spurs. Ange can't last must longer surely.
3-0 at half time. Before today Everton one goal in their last 6 Premier league games.
He's been a defeated man as weeks but as was pointed out to me he won't walk due to the big payoff. His interviews are must watches as he can barely hide his hatred of it all lolol
3 up! Jake O'Brien in from the cold too.
This might be the worst I've seen Spurs play since the pre Martin Jol days.
And I've a seen a lot of poor, awful football since the Martin Jol days.
Ange has to go today doesnt he? The league cup has been the only thing saving him.
You cant go away to that Everton side and let them put 3 past you. They've barely scored in months fs
Quote from: lurganblue on January 20, 2025, 08:59:24 AMAnge has to go today doesnt he? The league cup has been the only thing saving him.
You cant go away to that Everton side and let them put 3 past you. They've barely scored in months fs
Moyes gave an interesting interview after the Villa defeat (where DCL had a chance to level the game late on) where he said he wanted Everton to be better with the ball as he thought they were poor with it and they were, he then joked that the players after the game said they've never had so much ball in a game as they had against Villa.
The stats probably back that claim up, Everton had very low stats on possession this season, even against the middling teams, but they were totally different yesterday, had the ball and played with purpose.
Having two defensively dodgy fullbacks made it a good decision to throw O'Brien in there as a third centre back and use Lindstrom as an attacking winger up that side.
Dyche served his purpose, kept Everton up even after the huge points deductions so credit where it's due, but he always failed to make the required changes even when the obvious was staring him in the face, ala replacing the hapless Keane with Branthwaite last year and even this season, buying O'Brien and not giving him a chance.
IN MOYES WE TRUST ;D
Quote from: lurganblue on January 20, 2025, 08:59:24 AMAnge has to go today doesnt he? The league cup has been the only thing saving him.
You cant go away to that Everton side and let them put 3 past you. They've barely scored in months fs
Noticed a headline earlier that was saying he's not under any pressure yet. I'd be very surprised if that's true.
Maybe the amount of injuries is saving him coupled with the league cup possibility.
Would most Spurs fan take a cup and a bottom half finish over the usual 4-6th kinda finish? I know what Levy would want
Quote from: lurganblue on January 20, 2025, 08:59:24 AMAnge has to go today doesnt he? The league cup has been the only thing saving him.
You cant go away to that Everton side and let them put 3 past you. They've barely scored in months fs
Levy on this occasion is probably waiting for them to lose the league cup semi final tie before sacking him.
Better managers have been sacked at that club much sooner.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2025, 07:32:32 PMQuote from: lurganblue on January 20, 2025, 08:59:24 AMAnge has to go today doesnt he? The league cup has been the only thing saving him.
You cant go away to that Everton side and let them put 3 past you. They've barely scored in months fs
Levy on this occasion is probably waiting for them to lose the league cup semi final tie before sacking him.
Better managers have been sacked at that club much sooner.
How many league games between now and the cup semi? Would you be surprised if they went and won it anyway? Same f**ker sacked Jose just before a cup final so unless he's learned his lesson from that?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 20, 2025, 07:35:25 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2025, 07:32:32 PMQuote from: lurganblue on January 20, 2025, 08:59:24 AMAnge has to go today doesnt he? The league cup has been the only thing saving him.
You cant go away to that Everton side and let them put 3 past you. They've barely scored in months fs
Levy on this occasion is probably waiting for them to lose the league cup semi final tie before sacking him.
Better managers have been sacked at that club much sooner.
How many league games between now and the cup semi? Would you be surprised if they went and won it anyway? Same f**ker sacked Jose just before a cup final so unless he's learned his lesson from that?
I would think that at this stage even Levy would take the League Cup, as the chances of finishing top 5 for CL money is gone.
Problem for him and Ange is that Spurs do need to win 5-6 league games.
Problem for Levy more than Ange is that a deck of "senior" players - including the captaincy unit of Son, Maddison and Romero - have all but given up on Postecoglou. So if Levy wants the manager to stay, it's yet another rebuild incoming next season.
Quote from: gawa316 on January 20, 2025, 07:14:05 PMMaybe the amount of injuries is saving him coupled with the league cup possibility.
Would most Spurs fan take a cup and a bottom half finish over the usual 4-6th kinda finish? I know what Levy would want
I doubt it would be the FA cup. Hard to believe a club like Tottenham haven't been in a FA cup final since 1991
Liverpool 3-0 up at HT, Arsenal 0-0 v Wolves and are down to 10 men.
Forest also losing to Bournemouth.
On a plate, it's like the covid win all over again
Liverpool 4-0 up, Forest 3-0 down and Arsenal still 0-0
Wolves also down to 10 men now. Arsenal need to win this.
And there it is Arsenal score.
Title race still alive.
BHA play Utd off the park and Moyes Everton hanging in
Spurs must be looking a new manager soon
Rashford to join Aston Villa on loan for the rest of season, looks like a temporary replacement for Jhon Duran who recently joined Saudi Pro League side Al-Nassr.
Flashbacks of the Italian league when they had the money 90s 00s, Roberto Baggio played for Fiorentina, Juve, AC, Inter. Hard to fathom passing around a player that good between rivals, money drives the whole thing, some of the transfer fees these days reek of money laundering. Be interesting to see whether Rashford has any fire in his belly
Forrest back on track
Jaysus 7. Brighton not usually that bad and forest beat 5 nil last week.
Villa making some loan signings with Asensio in too. They've 1 fit centre half at the minute. Me thinks the priority should have been at the other end of the pitch.
Quote from: lurganblue on February 01, 2025, 11:11:18 PMVilla making some loan signings with Asensio in too. They've 1 fit centre half at the minute. Me thinks the priority should have been at the other end of the pitch.
On the Rashford loan deal it includes buy option clause of £40m.
Evan Ferguson close to signing for West ham a good move for him?
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 02, 2025, 10:47:15 AMQuote from: lurganblue on February 01, 2025, 11:11:18 PMVilla making some loan signings with Asensio in too. They've 1 fit centre half at the minute. Me thinks the priority should have been at the other end of the pitch.
On the Rashford loan deal it includes buy option clause of £40m.
Evan Ferguson close to signing for West ham a good move for him?
Great news. Hopefully he can put an effort in for a while and they keep him permanently.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 02, 2025, 11:49:56 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 02, 2025, 10:47:15 AMQuote from: lurganblue on February 01, 2025, 11:11:18 PMVilla making some loan signings with Asensio in too. They've 1 fit centre half at the minute. Me thinks the priority should have been at the other end of the pitch.
On the Rashford loan deal it includes buy option clause of £40m.
Evan Ferguson close to signing for West ham a good move for him?
Great news. Hopefully he can put an effort in for a while and they keep him permanently.
Totally agree.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 02, 2025, 10:47:15 AMQuote from: lurganblue on February 01, 2025, 11:11:18 PMVilla making some loan signings with Asensio in too. They've 1 fit centre half at the minute. Me thinks the priority should have been at the other end of the pitch.
On the Rashford loan deal it includes buy option clause of £40m.
Evan Ferguson close to signing for West ham a good move for him?
I'd say that's a good move. They're crying out for a striker. They've plenty of creative players.
Good move for Rashford moving from a struggling bottom half of the table team to a Champions League team.
Does not look good for Martinez the way that knee buckled.
Horrible to see. He's had a few bad injuries since he joined
United not even making it into live TV in the UK?
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2025, 04:23:16 PMUnited not even making it into live TV in the UK?
It was a Saturday 3pm fixture that was moved due to Europa League. Those games are never shown.
Quote from: shark on February 02, 2025, 05:30:05 PMQuote from: gallsman on February 02, 2025, 04:23:16 PMUnited not even making it into live TV in the UK?
It was a Saturday 3pm fixture that was moved due to Europa League. Those games are never shown.
I'd imagine though there's a logistics man in Sky can predict with complete accuracy when United will be playing on Sundays due to Europa League group stage fixtures.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 02, 2025, 05:35:15 PMQuote from: shark on February 02, 2025, 05:30:05 PMQuote from: gallsman on February 02, 2025, 04:23:16 PMUnited not even making it into live TV in the UK?
It was a Saturday 3pm fixture that was moved due to Europa League. Those games are never shown.
I'd imagine though there's a logistics man in Sky can predict with complete accuracy when United will be playing on Sundays due to Europa League group stage fixtures.
No doubt. But every team will get a minimum number of live games so that has to be balanced too. Sky would definitely have more views on United Palace compared to Brentford Spurs , so you can be sure it's not their doing.
Jees lads of all the things we could be slagging man u about I wouldn't have them not being on live TV near top of me list
Pools last three matches have been 3pm sat kick offs
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 02, 2025, 05:39:40 PMJees lads of all the things we could be slagging man u about I wouldn't have them not being on live TV near top of me list
Pools last three matches have been 3pm sat kick offs
And all live on the stick ;D
Arsenal standing on City's neck! :o
Quite the win
I get every coach or manager has their style of play but if you don't have the players skilled or comfortable enough to do it, and persist with it then that's either arrogance or stupidity...
Why did City not opt to replace Rodri in the transfer window? They have still not recovered from his loss.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 02, 2025, 06:29:22 PMI get every coach or manager has their style of play but if you don't have the players skilled or comfortable enough to do it, and persist with it then that's either arrogance or stupidity...
Unless you are a
One trick pony Coach
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 02, 2025, 06:39:59 PMQuote from: johnnycool on February 02, 2025, 06:29:22 PMI get every coach or manager has their style of play but if you don't have the players skilled or comfortable enough to do it, and persist with it then that's either arrogance or stupidity...
Unless you are a One trick pony Coach
I'd take his one trick pony wins most years
Quote from: J70 on February 02, 2025, 06:21:03 PMArsenal standing on City's neck! :o
Massive win for them especially with Liverpool winning yesterday.
City were dire though.
Rashford not looking his best shall we say, in those pics from Villa.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2025, 06:51:52 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 02, 2025, 06:39:59 PMQuote from: johnnycool on February 02, 2025, 06:29:22 PMI get every coach or manager has their style of play but if you don't have the players skilled or comfortable enough to do it, and persist with it then that's either arrogance or stupidity...
Unless you are a One trick pony Coach
I'd take his one trick pony wins most years
It's a smashing trick all the same, however when you have the players it's great, but when you patently don't and even then some of those players are getting a bit long on the tooth, then you need to adapt.
Rodri's value has sky rocketed in his absence.
City, like Dublin footballers, dominated so much but when the end comes, it's quicker than you'd think.
Quote from: lurganblue on February 03, 2025, 07:35:13 AMRashford not looking his best shall we say, in those pics from Villa.
Looks like a guy who hasn't exercised in months. Looks well overweight.
Quote from: shark on February 03, 2025, 11:55:22 AMQuote from: lurganblue on February 03, 2025, 07:35:13 AMRashford not looking his best shall we say, in those pics from Villa.
Looks like a guy who hasn't exercised in months. Looks well overweight.
With the Disasi loan finally going through, I am actually satisfied with January business for once.
Malen, Rashford, Asensio and Disasi IN with Philogene, Duran and Carlos going out for profit. Obviously there is serious doubts with some of those INs but there is potential for improvement.
Rashford is a risk. His head seems to be completely gone. If Emery can turn that ship around, it will be one of his greatest achievements.
Quote from: lurganblue on February 04, 2025, 09:12:50 AMQuote from: shark on February 03, 2025, 11:55:22 AMQuote from: lurganblue on February 03, 2025, 07:35:13 AMRashford not looking his best shall we say, in those pics from Villa.
Looks like a guy who hasn't exercised in months. Looks well overweight.
With the Disasi loan finally going through, I am actually satisfied with January business for once.
Malen, Rashford, Asensio and Disasi IN with Philogene, Duran and Carlos going out for profit. Obviously there is serious doubts with some of those INs but there is potential for improvement.
Rashford is a risk. His head seems to be completely gone. If Emery can turn that ship around, it will be one of his greatest achievements.
Can't fault their ambition. Villa making moves 🤝
Newcastle 4-0 aggregate winners v Arsenal in the two leg League cup semi final.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 05, 2025, 09:59:17 PMNewcastle 4-0 aggregate winners v Arsenal in the two leg League cup semi final.
Would Liverpool have preferred Newcastle?
Have to beat Spurs first!
I think they might wait to the final for that though.
If it's a Newcastle v Spurs final then it'll be amazing to see how they both lose it.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 05, 2025, 09:59:17 PMNewcastle 4-0 aggregate winners v Arsenal in the two leg League cup semi final.
Kieran Tierney's magical mystery tour of the benches of England and Europe continues to confound
While the burnt out drop like flies
Nonsense level management
Quote from: tiempo on February 06, 2025, 11:30:36 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 05, 2025, 09:59:17 PMNewcastle 4-0 aggregate winners v Arsenal in the two leg League cup semi final.
Kieran Tierney's magical mystery tour of the benches of England and Europe continues to confound
While the burnt out drop like flies
Nonsense level management
Tierney is hardly a like for like replacement for Martinelli?
Quote from: statto on February 06, 2025, 01:17:01 PMQuote from: tiempo on February 06, 2025, 11:30:36 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 05, 2025, 09:59:17 PMNewcastle 4-0 aggregate winners v Arsenal in the two leg League cup semi final.
Kieran Tierney's magical mystery tour of the benches of England and Europe continues to confound
While the burnt out drop like flies
Nonsense level management
Tierney is hardly a like for like replacement for Martinelli?
Very true
Tierney is frozen out, sadly Martinelli and others are frozen in
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2025, 04:06:29 PMSpurs must be looking a new manager soon
Big Ange will be gone after the two cup defeats this week.
Liverpool need that safety goal to put the game to bed
Quote from: Gael85 on February 06, 2025, 07:18:08 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2025, 04:06:29 PMSpurs must be looking a new manager soon
Big Ange will be gone after the two cup defeats this week.
On very thin ice after tonight.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2025, 10:29:57 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 05, 2025, 09:59:17 PMNewcastle 4-0 aggregate winners v Arsenal in the two leg League cup semi final.
Would Liverpool have preferred Newcastle?
Mystic Milltown! I certainly would have preferred Newcastle if they win it couldn't begrudge them a trophy good fanbase and Howe seems a decent guy.Isak is also a quality player. Wouldn't be too keen Arsenal winning as Arteta is a horrible **** and them beating Liverpool in cup final might give them a psychological advantage in title race.
Mikel Merino is the Lionel Messi of Scott McTomineys
Could be a very good race from here on in. Arsenal with a bad injury list up front but grinding it out and finding goals somehow to keep pace. Liverpool in better shape squad wise and maintaining the gap but fans are jittery as they look far from invincible. 7 points is huge but at the same time could be blown away in a week.
Impossible to call although there is a clear favourite. Wouldn't be surprised if both teams keep this pace but at the same time wouldn't be surprised if either lose the next three. Nice change from knowing City will win every game. Would be great to see both of them slip up for a bit of drama and Forest to enter the equation. As long as that wouldn't open the gap for City of course.
You wonder do city have a push in them especially with this new boy. There could be a run in them yet though they are a good bit behind. You would expect Real will finish them off and this will be all they have to concentrate on.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 18, 2025, 08:52:58 AMYou wonder do city have a push in them especially with this new boy. There could be a run in them yet though they are a good bit behind. You would expect Real will finish them off and this will be all they have to concentrate on.
The most City can finish on is 83 points, Liverpool are currently on 60 with nearly double the goal difference, hard to see city winning all their games and Liverpool not getting 22 points in the last 13 games.
Liverpool's to lose, to be honest they'd have to absolutely capitulate not to win this one
Arsenal's fortunes will depend on the form of a couple of youngsters. And as everyone knows you'll win nothing with kids.
I think Liverpool will hit a sticky patch but the teams chasing them will drop similar points. Might end up close but Liverpool with Salah have enough to get it done
Quote from: tiempo on February 18, 2025, 09:54:47 AMLiverpool's to lose, to be honest they'd have to absolutely capitulate not to win this one
It was Liverpool's to lose in early December and since then have showed no sign of a wobble and have been greatly helped by not having a serious challenger chasing or putting pressure on them. Right now it's a case of how many games to spare they'll win the league title by.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 18, 2025, 01:14:50 PMQuote from: tiempo on February 18, 2025, 09:54:47 AMLiverpool's to lose, to be honest they'd have to absolutely capitulate not to win this one
It was Liverpool's to lose in early December and since then have showed no sign of a wobble and have been greatly helped by not having a serious challenger chasing or putting pressure on them. Right now it's a case of how many games to spare they'll win the league title by.
Arsenal unbeaten in 15 Captain Triggered, what say you?
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 18, 2025, 01:32:28 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 18, 2025, 01:14:50 PMQuote from: tiempo on February 18, 2025, 09:54:47 AMLiverpool's to lose, to be honest they'd have to absolutely capitulate not to win this one
It was Liverpool's to lose in early December and since then have showed no sign of a wobble and have been greatly helped by not having a serious challenger chasing or putting pressure on them. Right now it's a case of how many games to spare they'll win the league title by.
Arsenal unbeaten in 15 Captain Triggered, what say you?
I'd say you not me are triggered.
Some factual information for you to consume. When it was Liverpool's title to lose in early December Arsenal found themselves nine points behind and since then have dropped points against teams they were expected to beat in Fulham, Aston Villa,Brighton and Everton who was managed by Dyche. Tomorrow Liverpool will be 10 points clear of Arsenal any so called race is done.
Apols for getting who was triggered mixed up Captain, 😜 just to confirm now you've done your research, unbeaten in 15 yes?
@quit yo jibbajabba apology accepted.
Liverpool nearly identical to this time last year bar the one extra win. Even goals scored and conceded nearly identical. They finished on 82 points. Draws killed momentum to keep with someone like City. But that might just be enough this year as someone pointed out. Would be cutting it fine I'd say though.
Next 3 are massive for Liverpool, a good return from this those games and the fools that gamble couldn't back against them.
I dunno though, I think there are plenty of twists and turns left yet though.
Man United lost an 8 points lead with only 5 games left.
All to play for imo.
Yeah I honestly think it's far from over and only one poster here saying otherwise whether he thinks it or not...
If it was prime Man City chasing down Liverpool it would be far from over. I think Liverpool will stumble plenty before its all over but so will Arsenal.
Quote from: jcpen on February 18, 2025, 05:06:06 PMNext 3 are massive for Liverpool, a good return from this those games and the fools that gamble couldn't back against them.
I dunno though, I think there are plenty of twists and turns left yet though.
Man United lost an 8 points lead with only 5 games left.
All to play for imo.
Liverpool will drop at least a couple of points in the next week. But even assuming they maintain a five or six point lead going into May, Arsenal would arrive at Anfield knowing that a win for them could reduce the margin to 2-3 points. Win that, and the frantic nervousness witnessed at Anfield on Sunday wouldn't be a patch on what will follow!
And all the while that Liverpool are dropping points, we're assuming arsenal will get maximum points? Both teams will drop points between now and the end of the season. It's far from over though
Exactly. Arsenal probably aren't going to win all their games. If they do, fair play!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 18, 2025, 01:14:50 PMQuote from: tiempo on February 18, 2025, 09:54:47 AMLiverpool's to lose, to be honest they'd have to absolutely capitulate not to win this one
It was Liverpool's to lose in early December and since then have showed no sign of a wobble and have been greatly helped by not having a serious challenger chasing or putting pressure on them. Right now it's a case of how many games to spare they'll win the league title by.
I kind of agree, they've been excellent and more than good enough to win this one which is the only one that matters presently
Quote from: bennydorano on February 18, 2025, 05:36:57 PMIf it was prime Man City chasing down Liverpool it would be far from over. I think Liverpool will stumble plenty before its all over but so will Arsenal.
If it was prime City Liverpool wouldn't be winning this league I feel. As good as they've been.
But they've been this good before and better and not won the league.
Arsenal win their game in hand and it's down to 4 points. Still all to play for. Could all come down to the game between the 2. Decent chance Liverpool don't win at city as well.
Match in hand for Arsenal will be against Chelsea in mid March. The gap is currently 8 points and remains to be seen what the gap will be by then. Game between the two will be in Anfield and Arsenal haven't won in Anfield for 13 years.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 20, 2025, 11:40:39 PMMatch in hand for Arsenal will be against Chelsea in mid March. The gap is currently 8 points and remains to be seen what the gap will be by then. Game between the two will be in Anfield and Arsenal haven't won in Anfield for 13 years.
Sorry not sure why I had in my head it was 7 points at the minute. I'd say Arsenal would like to have that game in hand against Chelsea now while they're in bad form.
If City get something at the weekend it will leave it a lot more interesting. Liverpool obviously firm favourites at this stage but it's far from over.
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That's comparisons at this stage last year. Nearly identical. Both teams from a defensive point of view with less losses but goals are a problem for the gunners and draws have them lagging a bit.
There was a 12 point swing in their fortunes (9 if you count game in hand) to the end of the season with Arteta's men only losing and drawing the one time. Draws killed Liverpool only winning half their games.
I don't think Arsenal can go on the same type of run this time but they do need to up their pace to get into the low 80s and push it to the wire. Where will the goals come from is the big question?
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 21, 2025, 07:56:56 AM2024 P W D L F A GD Pts
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Ars 25 15 8 2 51 22 29 53
That's comparisons at this stage last year. Nearly identical. Both teams from a defensive point of view with less losses but goals are a problem for the gunners and draws have them lagging a bit.
There was a 12 point swing in their fortunes (9 if you count game in hand) to the end of the season with Arteta's men only losing and drawing the one time. Draws killed Liverpool only winning half their games.
I don't think Arsenal can go on the same type of run this time but they do need to up their pace to get into the low 80s and push it to the wire. Where will the goals come from is the big question?
It's like ya don't want to win the league with the amount of negative posts, If and I highly doubt it, if Liverpool collapse from this point I'd be surprised
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2025, 08:37:10 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 21, 2025, 07:56:56 AM2024 P W D L F A GD Pts
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That's comparisons at this stage last year. Nearly identical. Both teams from a defensive point of view with less losses but goals are a problem for the gunners and draws have them lagging a bit.
There was a 12 point swing in their fortunes (9 if you count game in hand) to the end of the season with Arteta's men only losing and drawing the one time. Draws killed Liverpool only winning half their games.
I don't think Arsenal can go on the same type of run this time but they do need to up their pace to get into the low 80s and push it to the wire. Where will the goals come from is the big question?
It's like ya don't want to win the league with the amount of negative posts, If and I highly doubt it, if Liverpool collapse from this point I'd be surprised
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Anytime in the recent past that Liverpool have been involved in a title race they have come up second best(last year faded away from a similar position.) The only time they won the league in recent times it was a one horse race, so the anxiety/nervousness among supporters is understandable.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2025, 08:37:10 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 21, 2025, 07:56:56 AM2024 P W D L F A GD Pts
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That's comparisons at this stage last year. Nearly identical. Both teams from a defensive point of view with less losses but goals are a problem for the gunners and draws have them lagging a bit.
There was a 12 point swing in their fortunes (9 if you count game in hand) to the end of the season with Arteta's men only losing and drawing the one time. Draws killed Liverpool only winning half their games.
I don't think Arsenal can go on the same type of run this time but they do need to up their pace to get into the low 80s and push it to the wire. Where will the goals come from is the big question?
It's like ya don't want to win the league with the amount of negative posts, If and I highly doubt it, if Liverpool collapse from this point I'd be surprised
Who is "Ya" and what exactly are you talking about negative posts? Absolutely no idea what that's about.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 21, 2025, 09:08:44 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2025, 08:37:10 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 21, 2025, 07:56:56 AM2024 P W D L F A GD Pts
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Ars 25 15 8 2 51 22 29 53
That's comparisons at this stage last year. Nearly identical. Both teams from a defensive point of view with less losses but goals are a problem for the gunners and draws have them lagging a bit.
There was a 12 point swing in their fortunes (9 if you count game in hand) to the end of the season with Arteta's men only losing and drawing the one time. Draws killed Liverpool only winning half their games.
I don't think Arsenal can go on the same type of run this time but they do need to up their pace to get into the low 80s and push it to the wire. Where will the goals come from is the big question?
It's like ya don't want to win the league with the amount of negative posts, If and I highly doubt it, if Liverpool collapse from this point I'd be surprised
Who is "Ya" and what exactly are you talking about negative posts? Absolutely no idea what that's about.
Last year was last year, different manager and playing style, Liverpool have been full value this year and losing one game is testament to their form all season, be different if they had a proper blip but when they have dipped they have bounced back and with the form Salah is in they could concede but still have enough to go up the pitch and get back in front..
Arsenal are no where near the team they were last year and missing through injury one of their better players
Its inconceivable that the league is going anywhere but Anfield (hopefully the staff get a bonus as my daughter works there match days)
I'd say though the Champions League is going to be up for grabs, I had Liverpool as slight favourites but the form of Madrid and even PSG lately has me swayed
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2025, 09:40:32 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 21, 2025, 09:08:44 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2025, 08:37:10 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 21, 2025, 07:56:56 AM2024 P W D L F A GD Pts
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That's comparisons at this stage last year. Nearly identical. Both teams from a defensive point of view with less losses but goals are a problem for the gunners and draws have them lagging a bit.
There was a 12 point swing in their fortunes (9 if you count game in hand) to the end of the season with Arteta's men only losing and drawing the one time. Draws killed Liverpool only winning half their games.
I don't think Arsenal can go on the same type of run this time but they do need to up their pace to get into the low 80s and push it to the wire. Where will the goals come from is the big question?
It's like ya don't want to win the league with the amount of negative posts, If and I highly doubt it, if Liverpool collapse from this point I'd be surprised
Who is "Ya" and what exactly are you talking about negative posts? Absolutely no idea what that's about.
Last year was last year, different manager and playing style, Liverpool have been full value this year and losing one game is testament to their form all season, be different if they had a proper blip but when they have dipped they have bounced back and with the form Salah is in they could concede but still have enough to go up the pitch and get back in front..
Arsenal are no where near the team they were last year and missing through injury one of their better players
Its inconceivable that the league is going anywhere but Anfield (hopefully the staff get a bonus as my daughter works there match days)
I'd say though the Champions League is going to be up for grabs, I had Liverpool as slight favourites but the form of Madrid and even PSG lately has me swayed
PSG will have the luxury of resting players in the league with them being 10 points clear also.
Reality is Liverpool look far from convincing lately. Have they done enough in the early part of the season? perhaps, hopefully. But they are far from across the line and while still favourites really need to find their form. Defence is weakened now as well so expect to see more goals conceded. I think this will be a really tight run in. Could really do with Arsenal dropping a few more points sooner rather than later to try and widen that gap and ease the nerves which are very evident at the minute.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2025, 09:40:32 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 21, 2025, 09:08:44 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2025, 08:37:10 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 21, 2025, 07:56:56 AM2024 P W D L F A GD Pts
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That's comparisons at this stage last year. Nearly identical. Both teams from a defensive point of view with less losses but goals are a problem for the gunners and draws have them lagging a bit.
There was a 12 point swing in their fortunes (9 if you count game in hand) to the end of the season with Arteta's men only losing and drawing the one time. Draws killed Liverpool only winning half their games.
I don't think Arsenal can go on the same type of run this time but they do need to up their pace to get into the low 80s and push it to the wire. Where will the goals come from is the big question?
It's like ya don't want to win the league with the amount of negative posts, If and I highly doubt it, if Liverpool collapse from this point I'd be surprised
Who is "Ya" and what exactly are you talking about negative posts? Absolutely no idea what that's about.
Last year was last year, different manager and playing style, Liverpool have been full value this year and losing one game is testament to their form all season, be different if they had a proper blip but when they have dipped they have bounced back and with the form Salah is in they could concede but still have enough to go up the pitch and get back in front..
Arsenal are no where near the team they were last year and missing through injury one of their better players
Its inconceivable that the league is going anywhere but Anfield (hopefully the staff get a bonus as my daughter works there match days)
I'd say though the Champions League is going to be up for grabs, I had Liverpool as slight favourites but the form of Madrid and even PSG lately has me swayed
Still don't see what the issue with my post is or why it's negative.
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Arsenal are no where near the team they were last year". There's literally 2 points in it from last year's position. They've lost half the amount of games this year from same goals conceded, but problem with scoring goals and drawing too much has them lagging a bit. The reason they nearly won it last year was because of the run in. Dropped 5 points from a possible 39. Absolutely fantastic but apparently that's bottling it by some of the geniuses on here. I'm not saying to expect the same this year but that doesn't matter because 89 points will not be needed. If they can up the pace a little bit, a big ask considering injuries to forwards, it's not
"inconceivable" they could win, far from it.
Again Liverpool are literally 1 point better off this season. Goals for and against practically the same. Yes they play a little differently this season, have looked better balanced, but Salah was been sensational and Gravenberch in particular a revelation. Practically best in the world in his position and transformed the team in how they transition. But a combination of him looking tired and maybe opposition working him out, they don't look near as assured now. Mistakes are creeping in, they look nervous and apart from the Eqyptian wasteful in front of goal. Of course they are only one big win away from putting all that to rights, but equally a bad loss coupled with Arsenal winning leaves the gap at 2 points (winning game in hand).
So don't see your issue with saying it is close. I'm not a Liverpool supporter and this is the general league thread. If this is some clever attempt at wumming maybe try it on the Liverpool thread with Liverpool supporters because I have no idea what you're on about.
All away teams currently winning at half time
Arsenal losing at home to West Ham and down to 10 men for the final 15 minutes, was slim hopes for a title challenge for them before today. 1-0 defeat for Arsenal.
Look-up! Can now stop writing his essays in a effort to talk up Arsenal.
Have been proven right by saying there is no serious title challenger to chase Liverpool and all that's left now is just a matter of how many games to spare they'll win the league title by.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 22, 2025, 04:35:13 PMArsenal losing at home to West Ham and down to 10 men for the final 15 minutes, was slim hopes for a title challenge for them before today. 1-0 defeat for Arsenal.
Depends on tomorrow, City beat Liverpool and it's still all to play for.
Liverpool win and it would be looking good for them.
Quote from: Turf on February 22, 2025, 05:02:50 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 22, 2025, 04:35:13 PMArsenal losing at home to West Ham and down to 10 men for the final 15 minutes, was slim hopes for a title challenge for them before today. 1-0 defeat for Arsenal.
Depends on tomorrow, City beat Liverpool and it's still all to play for.
Liverpool win and it would be looking good for them.
Don't think tomorrow matters much one way or another. Watched Arsenal today and against Leicester last week and they were lucky to get three points out of those two games. Arsenal will drop plenty of more points in the run-in.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2025, 04:59:20 PMLook-up! Can now stop writing his essays in a effort to talk up Arsenal.
Have been proven right by saying there is no serious title challenger to chase Liverpool and all that's left now is just a matter of how many games to spare they'll win the league title by.
Don't try and hide it, everyone knows you're fuming ;D
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2025, 04:59:20 PMLook-up! Can now stop writing his essays in a effort to talk up Arsenal.
Have been proven right by saying there is no serious title challenger to chase Liverpool and all that's left now is just a matter of how many games to spare they'll win the league title by.
Arsenal and Chelsea were never contenders. Think Man City could get the second spot if go on a run.
Arsenal need Man City to do them a big favour tomorrow but pressure will be off Liverpool a bit after today. It they win at the Etihad it's full steam ahead and hard to see them getting caught.
Paddy power have paid out on Liverpool winning the league.
Quote from: Wee Barky on February 22, 2025, 06:11:35 PMPaddy power have paid out on Liverpool winning the league.
Captain Obvious obviously works for paddy power
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 22, 2025, 06:00:38 PMArsenal need Man City to do them a big favour tomorrow but pressure will be off Liverpool a bit after today. It they win at the Etihad it's full steam ahead and hard to see them getting caught.
Arsenal are rubbish. Needed a striker for last 3 seasons. Arteta is a poor manager. Never really title contenders. Has a PL title ever been so easily won.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2025, 04:59:20 PMLook-up! Can now stop writing his essays in a effort to talk up Arsenal.
Have been proven right by saying there is no serious title challenger to chase Liverpool and all that's left now is just a matter of how many games to spare they'll win the league title by.
On a scale of 1 to 10 how ragin are ye?
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 22, 2025, 11:08:41 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2025, 04:59:20 PMLook-up! Can now stop writing his essays in a effort to talk up Arsenal.
Have been proven right by saying there is no serious title challenger to chase Liverpool and all that's left now is just a matter of how many games to spare they'll win the league title by.
On a scale of 1 to 10 how ragin are ye?
I'm not sure who's more triggered
Few folk have been posting pics of league table at this point last year and showing Liverpool well positioned but obviously fell away. The biggest difference imo is looking over your shoulder to see City is very different to looking over your shoulder and seeing Arsenal.
Quote from: statto on February 21, 2025, 08:49:17 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2025, 08:37:10 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 21, 2025, 07:56:56 AM2024 P W D L F A GD Pts
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That's comparisons at this stage last year. Nearly identical. Both teams from a defensive point of view with less losses but goals are a problem for the gunners and draws have them lagging a bit.
There was a 12 point swing in their fortunes (9 if you count game in hand) to the end of the season with Arteta's men only losing and drawing the one time. Draws killed Liverpool only winning half their games.
I don't think Arsenal can go on the same type of run this time but they do need to up their pace to get into the low 80s and push it to the wire. Where will the goals come from is the big question?
It's like ya don't want to win the league with the amount of negative posts, If and I highly doubt it, if Liverpool collapse from this point I'd be surprised
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Anytime in the recent past that Liverpool have been involved in a title race they have come up second best(last year faded away from a similar position.) The only time they won the league in recent times it was a one horse race, so the anxiety/nervousness among supporters is understandable.
Quote from: statto on February 21, 2025, 08:49:17 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2025, 08:37:10 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 21, 2025, 07:56:56 AM2024 P W D L F A GD Pts
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Ars 25 17 4 4 58 22 36 55
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Ars 25 15 8 2 51 22 29 53
That's comparisons at this stage last year. Nearly identical. Both teams from a defensive point of view with less losses but goals are a problem for the gunners and draws have them lagging a bit.
There was a 12 point swing in their fortunes (9 if you count game in hand) to the end of the season with Arteta's men only losing and drawing the one time. Draws killed Liverpool only winning half their games.
I don't think Arsenal can go on the same type of run this time but they do need to up their pace to get into the low 80s and push it to the wire. Where will the goals come from is the big question?
It's like ya don't want to win the league with the amount of negative posts, If and I highly doubt it, if Liverpool collapse from this point I'd be surprised
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Anytime in the recent past that Liverpool have been involved in a title race they have come up second best(last year faded away from a similar position.) The only time they won the league in recent times it was a one horse race, so the anxiety/nervousness among supporters is understandable.
In the recent past Liverpool have come up second best in a title race. But also in the recent past Liverpool have won every major trophy as well as being the only team to win it over city which was so convincing they could have lost their last 13 games and still would have won it. But there's definitely anxiety/nervousness as they are only 8 points clear of a team who in recent years have won nothing but the community shield.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 18, 2025, 07:46:14 AMCould be a very good race from here on in. Arsenal with a bad injury list up front but grinding it out and finding goals somehow to keep pace. Liverpool in better shape squad wise and maintaining the gap but fans are jittery as they look far from invincible. 7 points is huge but at the same time could be blown away in a week.
Impossible to call although there is a clear favourite. Wouldn't be surprised if both teams keep this pace but at the same time wouldn't be surprised if either lose the next three. Nice change from knowing City will win every game. Would be great to see both of them slip up for a bit of drama and Forest to enter the equation. As long as that wouldn't open the gap for City of course.
Yeah when Arsenal have a fully fit forward line they are well known for being the most clinical and there is never any doubts or calls to buy a forward so how they are coping is unbelievable. Liverpool have been lucky with injuries and are only missing one forward currently in Gakpo who has only has scored more goals than any of arsenals world class forward line due to luck.
Impossible to call though as even though Liverpool have a big advantage and have multiple players who have won the league as well as every other major trophy it's evened out as many Arsenals players have a community shield medal. Plus with Liverpool fans being so far from invincible having lost one whole game in the league.
It ain't over until the Maths say it's over.
Arteta rolled the dice on the striker front. Got away with it for a few seasons but can't keep doing that because luck runs out eventually. You can respect a club not panicking and throwing stupid money at a problem but at the same time you can still go the loan route if there's nothing suitable available. From their position in January they should have strengthened especially with Man City out of the picture. Next year it could be back to 90+ points tallies to win a league.
Season not over yet but it will take a major turn in luck for the gunners not to end trophyless again. If so, will be difficult for him to keep the fanbase appeased with more excuses.
Brilliant set piece routine.
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 23, 2025, 04:48:49 PMBrilliant set piece routine.
Great price today considering how poor city are
Game, set, title Liverpool.. Does it taint Klopps legacy if Slot wins at first time of asking? Not even trying to banter/take the piss
Curious of the Liverpool fans on the boards opinions
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 23, 2025, 05:11:04 PMGame, set, title Liverpool.. Does it taint Klopps legacy if Slot wins at first time of asking? Not even trying to banter/take the piss
Curious of the Liverpool fans on the boards opinions
I don't think so no. Points wise Liverpool are almost exactly where they were this time last year, other teams have fallen away whereas Liverpool have held up.
Penny for Jurgens thoughts though, watched City get 90+ year and after year until the year after he left!
Jesus wept ::)
Hard to believe Everton put up a better display
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 23, 2025, 05:17:37 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on February 23, 2025, 05:11:04 PMGame, set, title Liverpool.. Does it taint Klopps legacy if Slot wins at first time of asking? Not even trying to banter/take the piss
Curious of the Liverpool fans on the boards opinions
I don't think so no. Points wise Liverpool are almost exactly where they were this time last year, other teams have fallen away whereas Liverpool have held up.
Penny for Jurgens thoughts though, watched City get 90+ year and after year until the year after he left!
Nothing can taint Klopp's legacy.
Slot has won nothing yet anyway.
Quote from: Wee Barky on February 22, 2025, 06:11:35 PMPaddy power have paid out on Liverpool winning the league.
A few more bookies will likely do the same after that latest routine win for Liverpool.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 06:15:45 PMHard to believe Everton put up a better display
No Micheal Oliver helps
Quote from: statto on February 23, 2025, 06:31:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2025, 04:59:46 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on February 23, 2025, 04:48:49 PMBrilliant set piece routine.
Great price today considering how poor city are
I'm sure you backed it.
Early pay out also!
Did a cheeky yesterday for a fiver, 22/1 Utd 2-0 down, nice sweat but hey ho, bet responsibly and only what ya can afford
Brilliant performance from Liverpool yesterday. Put all the recent jitters to bed with a very assured display away to City. Definitely the performance of champions. Not mathematically over but unless Salah, Gravenberch and Van Dyke are all stretchered off in the next game or two, hard to see them not finishing close on 90 points. And even at that Arsenal proved at the weekend that they're running on fumes and with their current forwards will do well to reach 80 points. CL spots still up for grabs so they can't down tools completely though.
Bit of a battle for 3,4 and 5. Hope Forest stay in there and don't get overtaken. After that City and Newcastle should hold out. City at a bit of a crossroads. Grealish's time there looks up. Left on bench even though they needed something in attack. Only thing that could save him now is a transfer embargo.
Bottom 3 to stay as is. Some job Moyes has done with Everton. Don't know what to say about Utd. Thought Amorim was the man to turn them around but he is fast talking himself out of a job and war chest. Lucky the bottom clubs are so shit because normally they would in ripe position and form to be sucked into a relegation battle.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 24, 2025, 10:52:51 AMBrilliant performance from Liverpool yesterday. Put all the recent jitters to bed with a very assured display away to City. Definitely the performance of champions. Not mathematically over but unless Salah, Gravenberch and Van Dyke are all stretchered off in the next game or two, hard to see them not finishing close on 90 points. And even at that Arsenal proved at the weekend that they're running on fumes and with their current forwards will do well to reach 80 points. CL spots still up for grabs so they can't down tools completely though.
Bit of a battle for 3,4 and 5. Hope Forest stay in there and don't get overtaken. After that City and Newcastle should hold out. City at a bit of a crossroads. Grealish's time there looks up. Left on bench even though they needed something in attack. Only thing that could save him now is a transfer embargo.
Bottom 3 to stay as is. Some job Moyes has done with Everton. Don't know what to say about Utd. Thought Amorim was the man to turn them around but he is fast talking himself out of a job and war chest. Lucky the bottom clubs are so shit because normally they would in ripe position and form to be sucked into a relegation battle.
5 points separate 3rd place and 8th place. If any of those sides show a little bit of consistency they will be able to achieve champions league football.
Quote from: lurganblue on February 24, 2025, 10:57:29 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 24, 2025, 10:52:51 AMBrilliant performance from Liverpool yesterday. Put all the recent jitters to bed with a very assured display away to City. Definitely the performance of champions. Not mathematically over but unless Salah, Gravenberch and Van Dyke are all stretchered off in the next game or two, hard to see them not finishing close on 90 points. And even at that Arsenal proved at the weekend that they're running on fumes and with their current forwards will do well to reach 80 points. CL spots still up for grabs so they can't down tools completely though.
Bit of a battle for 3,4 and 5. Hope Forest stay in there and don't get overtaken. After that City and Newcastle should hold out. City at a bit of a crossroads. Grealish's time there looks up. Left on bench even though they needed something in attack. Only thing that could save him now is a transfer embargo.
Bottom 3 to stay as is. Some job Moyes has done with Everton. Don't know what to say about Utd. Thought Amorim was the man to turn them around but he is fast talking himself out of a job and war chest. Lucky the bottom clubs are so shit because normally they would in ripe position and form to be sucked into a relegation battle.
5 points separate 3rd place and 8th place. If any of those sides show a little bit of consistency they will be able to achieve champions league football.
Definitely but I hope Forest stay there and after that City and Newcastle do look best bet. It would be nice to see City lose out though to some of the others apart from Chelsea.
Slot got Salah to cover back more yesterday to give TAA a helping hand although Doku rounded TAA quite a few times for no City players to be supporting him.
Liverpool able to keep this City team at arms length and the two goals were always going to be good enough against this City team.
Slot needs to take a lot of credit for keeping Liverpool fresh, getting a lot more from Gravenberch, Gakpo and a few others in what is still ultimately Klopps team who run out of steam last year.
Any idea if Liverpool have sorted out those three contracts?
Amorim reminds me of Jose in the third season when he's clearly trying to get sacked and get his pay off. Some of the quotes have been unbelievable, from saying this is the worst team in the clubs history to being asked why Moyes has got a bounce from Everton and he hasn't at United and he says cause Moyes is doing a better job. Like begging them to get rid.
It crossed my mind that given the Portuguese affinity for Barca and Real, if Amorim was offered either of those jobs but he had to play 4-3-3 he'd change in a heartbeat, his principles have cost Utd points and he has quite possibly lost the hearts and minds of the players, the fanbase are quite likely confused as hell, I am both equally amazed and impressed by the approach, a massive f**k you to the squad and supporters, full on devil may care
I still think Roy Keane was and is a better fit, and Rory Beggan is a considerably better GK than Onana
Meanwhile, Jim is closing the staff canteen over at Man United, whilst they still pay Casemiro a million a month.
Staff will be given a piece of fruit instead.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/feb/24/let-them-eat-fruit-manchester-united-close-staff-canteen-in-latest-cost-cutting-sir-jim-ratcliffe-football (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/feb/24/let-them-eat-fruit-manchester-united-close-staff-canteen-in-latest-cost-cutting-sir-jim-ratcliffe-football)
Man knows the price of everything and the value of nothing, thrampish behaviour
I heard Sir Jims crash and burn was to drive the share price down therefore lowering the price of a full buyout of the Glazer family, but Jims of an age that he won't be involved in 5 years, I genuinely see a very bleak future for Utd, the 1 billion pound stadium will be another noose around their neck, projects like that always go way over budget, there's a massive shitstorm coming
Liked the cut of Amorim's jib at the start. Confident, well spoken, on point with the problems that existed and not afraid to give a player the odd dig in the media to whip them in line. But at some stage you have to work with players and protect them. If your only MO is to constantly call them out in press conferences you will lose the dressing room. Has the look of a rent-a-quote about him.
Definitely see similarities to him and Jose although very early to be looking for the sack. Actually reminds me a bit of OGS. The Norwegian liked to suck up to the likes of Keane and Neville rather than protecting his players in the media. This guy seems a bit too cosy with reporters in the press room also.
Latest cuts on the lunches look incredibly petty and self serving. The club is a billion in the red. Wasn't a bit of lunch to the staff got them to this point and cutting it down to soup and a crust of bread will not save the day. Either the books are worse than could ever be imagined or this guy is completely off his rocker.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 24, 2025, 05:32:54 PMLiked the cut of Amorim's jib at the start. Confident, well spoken, on point with the problems that existed and not afraid to give a player the odd dig in the media to whip them in line. But at some stage you have to work with players and protect them. If your only MO is to constantly call them out in press conferences you will lose the dressing room. Has the look of a rent-a-quote about him.
Definitely see similarities to him and Jose although very early to be looking for the sack. Actually reminds me a bit of OGS. The Norwegian liked to suck up to the likes of Keane and Neville rather than protecting his players in the media. This guy seems a bit too cosy with reporters in the press room also.
Latest cuts on the lunches look incredibly petty and self serving. The club is a billion in the red. Wasn't a bit of lunch to the staff got them to this point and cutting it down to soup and a crust of bread will not save the day. Either the books are worse than could ever be imagined or this guy is completely off his rocker.
Two things that crossed my mind in recent days
1. Severe cutbacks as planning for no European campaign next year, stands to reason to some extent but agree with what you said, wasn't feeding staff that caused the issue or removing it that will save the day
2. Could Man Utd be heading the way of Leeds Utd? Unthinkable but so was Leicester winning the league
Quote from: tiempo on February 24, 2025, 05:36:05 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 24, 2025, 05:32:54 PMLiked the cut of Amorim's jib at the start. Confident, well spoken, on point with the problems that existed and not afraid to give a player the odd dig in the media to whip them in line. But at some stage you have to work with players and protect them. If your only MO is to constantly call them out in press conferences you will lose the dressing room. Has the look of a rent-a-quote about him.
Definitely see similarities to him and Jose although very early to be looking for the sack. Actually reminds me a bit of OGS. The Norwegian liked to suck up to the likes of Keane and Neville rather than protecting his players in the media. This guy seems a bit too cosy with reporters in the press room also.
Latest cuts on the lunches look incredibly petty and self serving. The club is a billion in the red. Wasn't a bit of lunch to the staff got them to this point and cutting it down to soup and a crust of bread will not save the day. Either the books are worse than could ever be imagined or this guy is completely off his rocker.
Two things that crossed my mind in recent days
1. Severe cutbacks as planning for no European campaign next year, stands to reason to some extent but agree with what you said, wasn't feeding staff that caused the issue or removing it that will save the day
2. Could Man Utd be heading the way of Leeds Utd? Unthinkable but so was Leicester winning the league
Cutting food though Tiempo? Unless someone was on the take over-ordering stuff and moving it out the back door, it's a fairly mean thing to do.
Man Utd still have a strong brand and can generate money but they can't be far off defaulting on debt with current wages if they're out of Europe. Relegation destroyed Leeds but back then you needed 40 points to stay up. Utd can count themselves very lucky this is not still the case.
I heard some Utd supporters actually say relegation would be good for them because it would allow them to reset like other clubs have :o. It would be catastrophic for them. Bunch of way overpaid flops with no relegation clauses in their contracts and no hope of moving most of them!!
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 24, 2025, 04:56:42 PMMeanwhile, Jim is closing the staff canteen over at Man United, whilst they still pay Casemiro a million a month.
Staff will be given a piece of fruit instead.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/feb/24/let-them-eat-fruit-manchester-united-close-staff-canteen-in-latest-cost-cutting-sir-jim-ratcliffe-football (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/feb/24/let-them-eat-fruit-manchester-united-close-staff-canteen-in-latest-cost-cutting-sir-jim-ratcliffe-football)
f**king hell! How much did extending Ten Hag for five months cost them? How many hot lunches would THAT buy?
Are they still paying off Mourinho?
Whatever about squad morale, what must things be like for the regular people who work at United? I'm sure for many it was a dream job to work for their favourite team.
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2025, 06:12:25 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on February 24, 2025, 04:56:42 PMMeanwhile, Jim is closing the staff canteen over at Man United, whilst they still pay Casemiro a million a month.
Staff will be given a piece of fruit instead.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/feb/24/let-them-eat-fruit-manchester-united-close-staff-canteen-in-latest-cost-cutting-sir-jim-ratcliffe-football (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/feb/24/let-them-eat-fruit-manchester-united-close-staff-canteen-in-latest-cost-cutting-sir-jim-ratcliffe-football)
f**king hell! How much did extending Ten Hag for five months cost them? How many hot lunches would THAT buy?
Are they still paying off Mourinho?
Whatever about squad morale, what must things be like for the regular people who work at United? I'm sure for many it was a dream job to work for their favourite team.
I've said it before, but a little piece of me dies inside anytime someone says something like "he's only on 100 grand a week, he deserves more".
The sport needs gutting from top to bottom.
The way things are going at Utd they'll soon have to take Rashford back just to organise some lunches for the staff.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 24, 2025, 07:22:19 PMThe way things are going at Utd they'll soon have to take Rashford back just to organise some lunches for the staff.
Early contender for post of the year 🤣🤣
Utd wasted so much money on shit players, poor managers. U could total it to half billion including wages. But it's the common man the board see as the problem. Utd run like a proper shit show.
What's even crazier is alot of United fans I know are defending Ratcliffe and saying he's being forced to make these tough decisions :o
Quote from: Brendan on February 24, 2025, 08:49:18 PMWhat's even crazier is alot of United fans I know are defending Ratcliffe and saying he's being forced to make these tough decisions :o
Not sure he's forced but if he's brought in an audit team to see were the waste I'd he should be starting with the players. Players contracts going forward for any club needs to be seriously looked at.
For the 5th biggest club in the world they are in a mess
Let them eat cake fruit
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 24, 2025, 08:39:27 PMUtd wasted so much money on shit players, poor managers. U could total it to half billion including wages. But it's the common man the board see as the problem. Utd run like a proper shit show.
I don't think Utd have had poor Managers. I think all Managers since Ferguson are good Managers - the system at Man U seems toxic.
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 24, 2025, 11:55:13 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 24, 2025, 08:39:27 PMUtd wasted so much money on shit players, poor managers. U could total it to half billion including wages. But it's the common man the board see as the problem. Utd run like a proper shit show.
I don't think Utd have had poor Managers. I think all Managers since Ferguson are good Managers - the system at Man U seems toxic.
Agree with this. Similar to Rangers, these clubs keep hiring new managers and history repeats itself. It's the club not the managers.
Mourinho good manager but bad fit for the club. Still believe OGS poor manager for that level. But ultimately board are to blame.
Poorly run club with seemingly bottomless pockets and a great manager in AF made them look invincible. Everything since has been reactive with no forward planning. Went with Moyes, panicked and went for a name. Then went with PL name in Jose. Thought they were back and threw stupid money at Sanchez as a two fingered move at City. When that went tits up went with interim past player, he got a massive bounce and they changed tack again and gave him the gig. Left him there too long, hired a consultant for forward planning, sacked him immediately after hiring ETH. Were getting his P45 ready but did a 180 again with a bumper new deal and war chest after lucky run to Wembley. A chicken would make more rash decisions.
But in their defence the club seems cursed. Looked like they finally found their man, moved heaven and earth to get him, but so far he has shown himself to be a right stubborn c**t who sends his players out unprepared for an unsuitable system and then talks shit about them after to the media. Now there's more leaks from the boardroom that they're looking at other hires as a replacement. Pure chaos.
They posted accounts lately, saying INEOS pumped in money to keep them right and all should look better in the summer when some contracts are gotten rid of. But a massive bit of what they owe is to other clubs for players they got and didn't pay for. Don't think they explained when or how that is to be paid.
"The club is cursed".
No. Not even close. Since FFP was revealed, United's transfer and wages "strategy" meant only one of two things could happen: 1. they'd stumble upon a couple of world class highly motivated players, who would raise standards, and the club kick on from there, or 2. they'd slowly crumble from within, beset with unmotivated players earning ridiculous contracts.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 25, 2025, 08:35:54 AM"The club is cursed".
No. Not even close. Since FFP was revealed, United's transfer and wages "strategy" meant only one of two things could happen: 1. they'd stumble upon a couple of world class highly motivated players, who would raise standards, and the club kick on from there, or 2. they'd slowly crumble from within, beset with unmotivated players earning ridiculous contracts.
Hard to disagree with anything there but surely something should be a hit spending so much money. Even by accident. Everyone they sign their stock tumbles.
Its the 80's all over again, though heading to Old Trafford in the 80's was better craic I'd say than what the current supporters are served up
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2025, 08:49:33 AMIts the 80's all over again, though heading to Old Trafford in the 80's was better craic I'd say than what the current supporters are served up
Yeah they still were a big draw and the Cup was a huge thing then.
Mate of mine massive Utd fan. Son, about 8 or so, he was trying to get him into following them with him. But started showing an interest in Liverpool and when my mate protested, he stopped him dead, and said Daddy no way I'm watching that shit. As he said himself he couldn't really blame him.
The brand is taking a huge hit at the moment.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 25, 2025, 08:26:06 AMMourinho good manager but bad fit for the club. Still believe OGS poor manager for that level. But ultimately board are to blame.
Poorly run club with seemingly bottomless pockets and a great manager in AF made them look invincible. Everything since has been reactive with no forward planning. Went with Moyes, panicked and went for a name. Then went with PL name in Jose. Thought they were back and threw stupid money at Sanchez as a two fingered move at City. When that went tits up went with interim past player, he got a massive bounce and they changed tack again and gave him the gig. Left him there too long, hired a consultant for forward planning, sacked him immediately after hiring ETH. Were getting his P45 ready but did a 180 again with a bumper new deal and war chest after lucky run to Wembley. A chicken would make more rash decisions.
But in their defence the club seems cursed. Looked like they finally found their man, moved heaven and earth to get him, but so far he has shown himself to be a right stubborn c**t who sends his players out unprepared for an unsuitable system and then talks shit about them after to the media. Now there's more leaks from the boardroom that they're looking at other hires as a replacement. Pure chaos.
They posted accounts lately, saying INEOS pumped in money to keep them right and all should look better in the summer when some contracts are gotten rid of. But a massive bit of what they owe is to other clubs for players they got and didn't pay for. Don't think they explained when or how that is to be paid.
To be fair to OGS he had them unbeaten away for a year and got some type of tune out of Martial and Rashford.
Amorim 3-4-3 is getting a bit of stick, but he's going to need a few windows to get the players in for that while trying to get the players he wants to keep used to the system.
I would be critical of him playing Bruno as one of the 2 in midfield though, he should be advanced off the striker making things happen and allowed to play with freedom.
Quote from: statto on February 25, 2025, 09:26:54 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 25, 2025, 08:26:06 AMMourinho good manager but bad fit for the club. Still believe OGS poor manager for that level. But ultimately board are to blame.
Poorly run club with seemingly bottomless pockets and a great manager in AF made them look invincible. Everything since has been reactive with no forward planning. Went with Moyes, panicked and went for a name. Then went with PL name in Jose. Thought they were back and threw stupid money at Sanchez as a two fingered move at City. When that went tits up went with interim past player, he got a massive bounce and they changed tack again and gave him the gig. Left him there too long, hired a consultant for forward planning, sacked him immediately after hiring ETH. Were getting his P45 ready but did a 180 again with a bumper new deal and war chest after lucky run to Wembley. A chicken would make more rash decisions.
But in their defence the club seems cursed. Looked like they finally found their man, moved heaven and earth to get him, but so far he has shown himself to be a right stubborn c**t who sends his players out unprepared for an unsuitable system and then talks shit about them after to the media. Now there's more leaks from the boardroom that they're looking at other hires as a replacement. Pure chaos.
They posted accounts lately, saying INEOS pumped in money to keep them right and all should look better in the summer when some contracts are gotten rid of. But a massive bit of what they owe is to other clubs for players they got and didn't pay for. Don't think they explained when or how that is to be paid.
To be fair to OGS he had them unbeaten away for a year and got some type of tune out of Martial and Rashford.
Amorim 3-4-3 is getting a bit of stick, but he's going to need a few windows to get the players in for that while trying to get the players he wants to keep used to the system.
I would be critical of him playing Bruno as one of the 2 in midfield though, he should be advanced off the striker making things happen and allowed to play with freedom.
Fair enough.
But if Amorim wants to see out a few windows he'll need the bulk of current players, even the ones he doesn't want, onside first.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 24, 2025, 05:57:02 PMQuote from: tiempo on February 24, 2025, 05:36:05 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 24, 2025, 05:32:54 PMLiked the cut of Amorim's jib at the start. Confident, well spoken, on point with the problems that existed and not afraid to give a player the odd dig in the media to whip them in line. But at some stage you have to work with players and protect them. If your only MO is to constantly call them out in press conferences you will lose the dressing room. Has the look of a rent-a-quote about him.
Definitely see similarities to him and Jose although very early to be looking for the sack. Actually reminds me a bit of OGS. The Norwegian liked to suck up to the likes of Keane and Neville rather than protecting his players in the media. This guy seems a bit too cosy with reporters in the press room also.
Latest cuts on the lunches look incredibly petty and self serving. The club is a billion in the red. Wasn't a bit of lunch to the staff got them to this point and cutting it down to soup and a crust of bread will not save the day. Either the books are worse than could ever be imagined or this guy is completely off his rocker.
Two things that crossed my mind in recent days
1. Severe cutbacks as planning for no European campaign next year, stands to reason to some extent but agree with what you said, wasn't feeding staff that caused the issue or removing it that will save the day
2. Could Man Utd be heading the way of Leeds Utd? Unthinkable but so was Leicester winning the league
Cutting food though Tiempo? Unless someone was on the take over-ordering stuff and moving it out the back door, it's a fairly mean thing to do.
Man Utd still have a strong brand and can generate money but they can't be far off defaulting on debt with current wages if they're out of Europe. Relegation destroyed Leeds but back then you needed 40 points to stay up. Utd can count themselves very lucky this is not still the case.
I heard some Utd supporters actually say relegation would be good for them because it would allow them to reset like other clubs have :o. It would be catastrophic for them. Bunch of way overpaid flops with no relegation clauses in their contracts and no hope of moving most of them!!
I agree, cutting the food is beyond petty, he's clearly an asset stripping merchant
Be interesting to see when the issue of dividend or dividend freezes come up, will he play similar hardball.
Quote from: tiempo on February 25, 2025, 09:57:28 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 24, 2025, 05:57:02 PMQuote from: tiempo on February 24, 2025, 05:36:05 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on February 24, 2025, 05:32:54 PMLiked the cut of Amorim's jib at the start. Confident, well spoken, on point with the problems that existed and not afraid to give a player the odd dig in the media to whip them in line. But at some stage you have to work with players and protect them. If your only MO is to constantly call them out in press conferences you will lose the dressing room. Has the look of a rent-a-quote about him.
Definitely see similarities to him and Jose although very early to be looking for the sack. Actually reminds me a bit of OGS. The Norwegian liked to suck up to the likes of Keane and Neville rather than protecting his players in the media. This guy seems a bit too cosy with reporters in the press room also.
Latest cuts on the lunches look incredibly petty and self serving. The club is a billion in the red. Wasn't a bit of lunch to the staff got them to this point and cutting it down to soup and a crust of bread will not save the day. Either the books are worse than could ever be imagined or this guy is completely off his rocker.
Two things that crossed my mind in recent days
1. Severe cutbacks as planning for no European campaign next year, stands to reason to some extent but agree with what you said, wasn't feeding staff that caused the issue or removing it that will save the day
2. Could Man Utd be heading the way of Leeds Utd? Unthinkable but so was Leicester winning the league
Cutting food though Tiempo? Unless someone was on the take over-ordering stuff and moving it out the back door, it's a fairly mean thing to do.
Man Utd still have a strong brand and can generate money but they can't be far off defaulting on debt with current wages if they're out of Europe. Relegation destroyed Leeds but back then you needed 40 points to stay up. Utd can count themselves very lucky this is not still the case.
I heard some Utd supporters actually say relegation would be good for them because it would allow them to reset like other clubs have :o. It would be catastrophic for them. Bunch of way overpaid flops with no relegation clauses in their contracts and no hope of moving most of them!!
I agree, cutting the food is beyond petty, he's clearly an asset stripping merchant
Would all staff at all PL clubs be getting a free lunch everyday? If it is custom and practice can understand the annoyance at that being taken away and there will be concerns around job security given the latest announcement in relation to redundancies. Would say it is a difficult place to work at the moment.
An army marches on its stomach
Statto I've no idea about the free lunch for all staff.
But I'd expect that coaching and senior medical staff would be on the same ticket as playing staff ie meals are expected, not even optional. And I'd also expect that kitchen staff will help themselves to grub as needed.
So really, how many people would be left to feed on a normal day at eg Carrington? Receptionist. Couple of security. A few admins. A few janitors. A few groundsmen. Placement students and the like, a few of them. Surely it couldn't be much more than 12-15 people.
The cost of the executive chef won't go down as a result either.
Just seems very odd.
Ferguson was running Utd on a shoe string in his last few years, the last PL win was unexpected...
Ferguson got a tune out of the likes of a Phil Jones, that's who United were buying back then, not the latest Jaap Stam..
The Glazers have leveraged Old Trafford to the balls in debt, paying only the interest and pocketing the big dividends for years and yes they have put money into players, but the wrong sort of players, fancy dans mostly.
There's no real backbone to this united team.
Penny pinching on the staff while they squander millions on overpaid players and managers. Not a good look and destroys the soul of a club.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 25, 2025, 11:15:54 AMFerguson was running Utd on a shoe string in his last few years, the last PL win was unexpected...
Ferguson got a tune out of the likes of a Phil Jones, that's who United were buying back then, not the latest Jaap Stam..
The Glazers have leveraged Old Trafford to the balls in debt, paying only the interest and pocketing the big dividends for years and yes they have put money into players, but the wrong sort of players, fancy dans mostly.
There's no real backbone to this united team.
Mmmm.
My mind might be playing tricks, but Phil Jones was one of the most expensive transfer fees in history for a teenager at that time, and they were able to spend £25m on Van Persie, who had one year left on his contract.
Shoe string?
Quote from: johnnycool on February 25, 2025, 11:15:54 AMFerguson was running Utd on a shoe string in his last few years, the last PL win was unexpected...
Ferguson got a tune out of the likes of a Phil Jones, that's who United were buying back then, not the latest Jaap Stam..
The Glazers have leveraged Old Trafford to the balls in debt, paying only the interest and pocketing the big dividends for years and yes they have put money into players, but the wrong sort of players, fancy dans mostly.
There's no real backbone to this united team.
Ferguson did alot of good things at United but getting a tune out of Phil Jones wasn't one of them. Joined the club for £17million in 2011 and was meant to be the next big thing at centre half.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 25, 2025, 11:15:54 AMFerguson was running Utd on a shoe string in his last few years, the last PL win was unexpected...
Ferguson got a tune out of the likes of a Phil Jones, that's who United were buying back then, not the latest Jaap Stam..
The Glazers have leveraged Old Trafford to the balls in debt, paying only the interest and pocketing the big dividends for years and yes they have put money into players, but the wrong sort of players, fancy dans mostly.
There's no real backbone to this united team.
Surely the manager and football "specialists" were picking the players
Fergie compared Phil Jones to Duncan Edwards and paid a bucket of cash for him ahead of Arsenal Liverpool and Chelsea
Unfortunately the whole affair with the horse has been the ruination of Utd, thats on Fergie
The club is £1.1bn in debt and looking to build a stadium for £1bn - they're walking a tightrope at the moment looking every bit the mess that befell Leeds and Rangers, was due to happen Liverpool and Chelsea at different times but they were fortunate to stumble upon competent investors/management
Quote from: tiempo on February 25, 2025, 11:41:22 AMUnfortunately the whole affair with the horse has been the ruination of Utd, thats on Fergie
This has been said a few times, would you mind and elaborate for the uneducated types like myself about this ?
Quote from: Sonny Joe on February 25, 2025, 12:02:22 PMQuote from: tiempo on February 25, 2025, 11:41:22 AMUnfortunately the whole affair with the horse has been the ruination of Utd, thats on Fergie
This has been said a few times, would you mind and elaborate for the uneducated types like myself about this ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BBYb3uDcXs
Thanks very much for that. greed and more gr££d.
Quote from: Sonny Joe on February 25, 2025, 12:13:44 PMThanks very much for that. greed and more gr££d.
I didn't realise Magnier and JP owned almost a 1/4 of United at that time with BSkyB being the main shareholders.
No wonder the hoors were never off the TV.
Utd had a 25 year window to create what Real Madrid currently are and blew it, that said Madrid went to the wall and were saved by the government so not an entirely organic success either
Look at the comparison between Fergie/Glazers and what Fergus McCann did at Celtic, McCann put the club and supporters front and centre
Quote from: tiempo on February 25, 2025, 12:37:05 PMUtd had a 25 year window to create what Real Madrid currently are and blew it, that said Madrid went to the wall and were saved by the government so not an entirely organic success either
Look at the comparison between Fergie/Glazers and what Fergus McCann did at Celtic, McCann put the club and supporters front and centre
You're saying that like it's the fans that did this. We've been saying this time was coming since the day they bought the club with a payday loan and saddled the debt onto the club at the same time. Every other club would have been bankrupt years ago but here we are and only for Ineos cash injection they would have ran out of money in the last financial report.
Ineos haven't got the decisions right either but at least they've put money in. The Glazers have never put a penny of investment in yet from their pocket. A debt free club now has over 1 billion of a debt and has paid a billion in interest payments in that time.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 25, 2025, 11:22:23 AMQuote from: johnnycool on February 25, 2025, 11:15:54 AMFerguson was running Utd on a shoe string in his last few years, the last PL win was unexpected...
Ferguson got a tune out of the likes of a Phil Jones, that's who United were buying back then, not the latest Jaap Stam..
The Glazers have leveraged Old Trafford to the balls in debt, paying only the interest and pocketing the big dividends for years and yes they have put money into players, but the wrong sort of players, fancy dans mostly.
There's no real backbone to this united team.
Mmmm.
My mind might be playing tricks, but Phil Jones was one of the most expensive transfer fees in history for a teenager at that time, and they were able to spend £25m on Van Persie, who had one year left on his contract.
Shoe string?
I recall at the time being gutted he chose United over LFC. He was seen as the next big thing and had all the attributes to be a top class defender. He will be remembered forever for the meme of him heading the ball on the ground...
For all their woes they are the 5th biggest at the minute club in the world.. Thats net ;D
Quote from: Sonny Joe on February 25, 2025, 12:02:22 PMQuote from: tiempo on February 25, 2025, 11:41:22 AMUnfortunately the whole affair with the horse has been the ruination of Utd, thats on Fergie
This has been said a few times, would you mind and elaborate for the uneducated types like myself about this ?
Goes back a bit further than a horse. Becoming a PLC under Martin Edwards the former chairman which allowed any Tom Dick or harry buy shares in the club and in Uniteds case Leeches in the Glazers to eventually own the club. John Magnier and JP were always going to sell their shares for with the biggest profit possible.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 25, 2025, 11:22:23 AMQuote from: johnnycool on February 25, 2025, 11:15:54 AMFerguson was running Utd on a shoe string in his last few years, the last PL win was unexpected...
Ferguson got a tune out of the likes of a Phil Jones, that's who United were buying back then, not the latest Jaap Stam..
The Glazers have leveraged Old Trafford to the balls in debt, paying only the interest and pocketing the big dividends for years and yes they have put money into players, but the wrong sort of players, fancy dans mostly.
There's no real backbone to this united team.
Mmmm.
My mind might be playing tricks, but Phil Jones was one of the most expensive transfer fees in history for a teenager at that time, and they were able to spend £25m on Van Persie, who had one year left on his contract.
Shoe string?
Jones was big enough money at the time, was rated very highly as well but injuries obviously fucked him
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 25, 2025, 01:11:17 PMI recall at the time being gutted he chose United over LFC. He was seen as the next big thing and had all the attributes to be a top class defender. He will be remembered forever for the meme of him heading the ball on the ground...
Ironically an amazing piece of improvised defending, but he's just too easy to lampoon
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 25, 2025, 01:16:29 PMQuote from: Sonny Joe on February 25, 2025, 12:02:22 PMQuote from: tiempo on February 25, 2025, 11:41:22 AMUnfortunately the whole affair with the horse has been the ruination of Utd, thats on Fergie
This has been said a few times, would you mind and elaborate for the uneducated types like myself about this ?
Goes back a bit further than a horse. Becoming a PLC under Martin Edwards the former chairman which allowed any Tom Dick or harry buy shares in the club and in Uniteds case Leeches in the Glazers to eventually own the club. John Magnier and JP were always going to sell their shares for with the biggest profit possible.
Literally sold a money printing machine, bit of a head scratcher alright
Hindsight is 20:20, a dynasty was squandered, it happens i guess
Quote from: tiempo on February 25, 2025, 01:30:06 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 25, 2025, 01:16:29 PMQuote from: Sonny Joe on February 25, 2025, 12:02:22 PMQuote from: tiempo on February 25, 2025, 11:41:22 AMUnfortunately the whole affair with the horse has been the ruination of Utd, thats on Fergie
This has been said a few times, would you mind and elaborate for the uneducated types like myself about this ?
Goes back a bit further than a horse. Becoming a PLC under Martin Edwards the former chairman which allowed any Tom Dick or harry buy shares in the club and in Uniteds case Leeches in the Glazers to eventually own the club. John Magnier and JP were always going to sell their shares for with the biggest profit possible.
Literally sold a money printing machine, bit of a head scratcher alright
Hindsight is 20:20, a dynasty was squandered, it happens i guess
There's no head scratching involved.
The Glazers bought the club by leveraging a huge loan on the stadium and using Uniteds income streams to service the interest and huge dividends to themselves irrespective of performance on the field or even off it.
Not one brass farthing of their own money have the Glazers put into United.
This practice has been outlawed by the FA's owners and directors tests.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 25, 2025, 03:25:11 PMQuote from: tiempo on February 25, 2025, 01:30:06 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 25, 2025, 01:16:29 PMQuote from: Sonny Joe on February 25, 2025, 12:02:22 PMQuote from: tiempo on February 25, 2025, 11:41:22 AMUnfortunately the whole affair with the horse has been the ruination of Utd, thats on Fergie
This has been said a few times, would you mind and elaborate for the uneducated types like myself about this ?
Goes back a bit further than a horse. Becoming a PLC under Martin Edwards the former chairman which allowed any Tom Dick or harry buy shares in the club and in Uniteds case Leeches in the Glazers to eventually own the club. John Magnier and JP were always going to sell their shares for with the biggest profit possible.
Literally sold a money printing machine, bit of a head scratcher alright
Hindsight is 20:20, a dynasty was squandered, it happens i guess
There's no head scratching involved.
The Glazers bought the club by leveraging a huge loan on the stadium and using Uniteds income streams to service the interest and huge dividends to themselves irrespective of performance on the field or even off it.
Not one brass farthing of their own money have the Glazers put into United.
This practice has been outlawed by the FA's owners and directors tests.
Can't say fairer than that
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 25, 2025, 01:16:29 PMQuote from: Sonny Joe on February 25, 2025, 12:02:22 PMQuote from: tiempo on February 25, 2025, 11:41:22 AMUnfortunately the whole affair with the horse has been the ruination of Utd, thats on Fergie
This has been said a few times, would you mind and elaborate for the uneducated types like myself about this ?
Goes back a bit further than a horse. Becoming a PLC under Martin Edwards the former chairman which allowed any Tom Dick or harry buy shares in the club and in Uniteds case Leeches in the Glazers to eventually own the club. John Magnier and JP were always going to sell their shares for with the biggest profit possible.
Remember at the time thinking that the move to PLC would springboard Man u further ahead of everyone else in the league.
I think that result rules Villa completely out of top 5 now and is consistent with their inconsistency in the league all season.
Quote from: lurganblue on February 26, 2025, 12:13:26 PMI think that result rules Villa completely out of top 5 now and is consistent with their inconsistency in the league all season.
Only get going for the big teams?
Quote from: lurganblue on February 26, 2025, 12:13:26 PMI think that result rules Villa completely out of top 5 now and is consistent with their inconsistency in the league all season.
Good result for Palace who are in a really good run of form. Glasner came in and implemented the 3-4-3 and the players have adapted really well to this system and it suits the players they have.
He's a good manager that boy. Villa have had a lot of change this year and Watkins a bit off. Still a decent team but too much flux with them.
Quote from: lurganblue on February 26, 2025, 12:13:26 PMI think that result rules Villa completely out of top 5 now and is consistent with their inconsistency in the league all season.
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Two more games played but only 5 points separate 3rd to 10th it's consistent crop of inconsistent teams.
Or you could argue the teams are fairly evenly matched, teams like Fulham, Bournemouth & Brighton have shown with the right recruitment you can flourish in the Premier League.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 26, 2025, 12:26:28 PMQuote from: lurganblue on February 26, 2025, 12:13:26 PMI think that result rules Villa completely out of top 5 now and is consistent with their inconsistency in the league all season.
Only get going for the big teams?
There's a bit of that and there certainly is a European hangover after the CL games that wasnt there last year after the EL games. Some of those results after midweek games this season have been horrific.
Defensively not good enough. Regularly find themselves behind in games.
That being said, I have thoroughly enjoyed being in the champions league all year and hopefully they can perform v Brugge this time out. Mings should know not to pick up passes to feet this time.
Quote from: lurganblue on February 26, 2025, 02:34:58 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 26, 2025, 12:26:28 PMQuote from: lurganblue on February 26, 2025, 12:13:26 PMI think that result rules Villa completely out of top 5 now and is consistent with their inconsistency in the league all season.
Only get going for the big teams?
There's a bit of that and there certainly is a European hangover after the CL games that wasnt there last year after the EL games. Some of those results after midweek games this season have been horrific.
Defensively not good enough. Regularly find themselves behind in games.
That being said, I have thoroughly enjoyed being in the champions league all year and hopefully they can perform v Brugge this time out. Mings should know not to pick up passes to feet this time.
They've a poor record away from home in the PL, only 3 or 4 wins so far.
United already down against relegation rivals Ipswich Town.
That's the league done and dusted and it only February. Liverpool very deserving winners. Very consistent but when the going got tough they found another gear. Back in November when they hit a tough run of games everyone was expecting a fall off but they upped it. These last few games, especially this time of year, would be considered massive banana skins but they handled it like champions.
Great job by Slot, all without signing anyone. Of course Klopp deserves credit for building the squad but Slot's tweaks has got more out of them while keeping them fresher. It would have been very easy to come in with ego and f**k things up like Souness.
Arsenal need to keep their heads and make sure of 2nd. They're still a very good team with great defence and will be difficult for anyone in CL knockouts.
Still over a quarter of season to go so rest of CL spots up for grabs but City look a safe bet. Hope Forest can stay the pace. Even though it's very tight, outside of Chelsea and Newcastle the rest should fall away.
3 relegation spots pretty much guaranteed. Bad defences and can't score. Wolves not much better but more goals in them should maintain the gap to safety.
Not the premier league but shades of the German goalie from the 80s Schumacher in the millwall goalies challenge on the Crystal Palace striker mateta. As bad a "challenge" as you are likely to see.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 01, 2025, 10:23:52 PMNot the premier league but shades of the German goalie from the 80s Schumacher in the millwall goalies challenge on the Crystal Palace striker mateta. As bad a "challenge" as you are likely to see.
Poor Paddy Battiston got the teeth knocked out that day
Had to look up who that was ;D
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 01, 2025, 10:23:52 PMNot the premier league but shades of the German goalie from the 80s Schumacher in the millwall goalies challenge on the Crystal Palace striker mateta. As bad a "challenge" as you are likely to see.
Followed by lovely chanting from the millwall thugs. Both disgusting
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 01, 2025, 10:23:52 PMNot the premier league but shades of the German goalie from the 80s Schumacher in the millwall goalies challenge on the Crystal Palace striker mateta. As bad a "challenge" as you are likely to see.
The fact the ref gave a yellow only initially. Mad
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 02, 2025, 12:45:12 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 01, 2025, 10:23:52 PMNot the premier league but shades of the German goalie from the 80s Schumacher in the millwall goalies challenge on the Crystal Palace striker mateta. As bad a "challenge" as you are likely to see.
The fact the ref gave a yellow only initially. Mad
Michael Oliver has had some absolutely bonkers moments in big games recently.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 02, 2025, 12:48:30 PMQuote from: mrdeeds on March 02, 2025, 12:45:12 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 01, 2025, 10:23:52 PMNot the premier league but shades of the German goalie from the 80s Schumacher in the millwall goalies challenge on the Crystal Palace striker mateta. As bad a "challenge" as you are likely to see.
The fact the ref gave a yellow only initially. Mad
Michael Oliver has had some absolutely bonkers moments in big games recently.
I suppose he got the ball first....prior to taking Maeta's head off :o . Maybe that was Oliver's thinking?
Nottingham Forest 1 Man City 0. That result keeps Forest 3rd and now 4 points ahead of City with ten games to play. Imagine saying that sentence at the start of the season.
City may not get are this rate. There are alot of teams right behind them in decent form.
Quote from: Turf on March 08, 2025, 03:54:34 PMLiverpool dreadful in that first half.
They look tired. Little flicks and passes just not finding their men. Slot should have made more changes.
Brutal goal to give away. Van Dijk should have put his foot through it.
Never in doubt. Great win for liverpool against the odds ;D ;D . Safe from relegation now. Anything now is a bonus. Over to Arsenal now. Title race far from over. Arsenal or chelsea could still sneak title.
Typical. Villa always lose after a CL match. Now they win when I back against them. Fuppers
Salah has to be up there now with Henry and Ronaldo for influence offensively in the last 25 years in the PL. I know it was two penalties today but you just know he'll score or have a massive impact on the game at some stage. He's brilliant. He can get the ball on the halfway line and know what to do with it.
How do Liverpool get a man sent off these days?
Liverpool get a man sent off when he/she and whatever other pronouns are expected when it is deserved. Nunez was a yellow all day
Konate midweek would have been deserved and again wasn't.
In real time I didn't think Konate was a foul. Replay showed it clearly was. But I think subsequent replays show yer man was offside
Quote from: maldini on March 08, 2025, 10:45:21 PMHow do Liverpool get a man sent off these days?
Fergal Van Dike has a lot of influence with the referees nowadays.
Gunners will be this in second half. 33/1 to win league. Will put fiver. a lot of people easily triggered here. ;D
Quote from: LarryStiles on March 09, 2025, 05:33:38 PMGunners will be this in second half. 33/1 to win league. Will put fiver. a lot of people easily triggered here. ;D
League over everything else.
The easily triggered on here won't like to hear that but it's the truth.
Surely keeper has to save that?
United do have a brilliant record when leading at half time at home.
One moment of quality by Bruno Fernandes in a poor match with two teams playing through the motions. With United having no bench just mostly untried teens it probably a game Arsenal should be winning though nothing resting on result if they don't.
Dalot miss will cost Manchester
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 09, 2025, 05:34:30 PMSurely keeper has to save that?
United do have a brilliant record when leading at half time at home.
Terrible from Raya.. Players all round are playing shite. Was a game United always turn up for is Arsenal matches. Can only hope for an Onana clanger but bar that I can't see an equaliser
Quote from: LarryStiles on March 09, 2025, 05:46:31 PMDalot miss will cost Manchester
Mazraoui it was and later Zirkzee big chance not taken either.
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 09, 2025, 05:53:30 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 09, 2025, 05:34:30 PMSurely keeper has to save that?
United do have a brilliant record when leading at half time at home.
Terrible from Raya.. Players all round are playing shite. Was a game United always turn up for is Arsenal matches. Can only hope for an Onana clanger but bar that I can't see an equaliser
Utd are shite, they will give Arsenal plenty of chances or an OG will level it
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2025, 05:59:08 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on March 09, 2025, 05:53:30 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 09, 2025, 05:34:30 PMSurely keeper has to save that?
United do have a brilliant record when leading at half time at home.
Terrible from Raya.. Players all round are playing shite. Was a game United always turn up for is Arsenal matches. Can only hope for an Onana clanger but bar that I can't see an equaliser
Utd are shite, they will give Arsenal plenty of chances or an OG will level it
Hope so MR.. But Arsenal don't look like they could score on a dartboard
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 09, 2025, 06:00:34 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2025, 05:59:08 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on March 09, 2025, 05:53:30 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 09, 2025, 05:34:30 PMSurely keeper has to save that?
United do have a brilliant record when leading at half time at home.
Terrible from Raya.. Players all round are playing shite. Was a game United always turn up for is Arsenal matches. Can only hope for an Onana clanger but bar that I can't see an equaliser
Utd are shite, they will give Arsenal plenty of chances or an OG will level it
Hope so MR.. But Arsenal don't look like they could score on a dartboard
As I said
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2025, 06:05:51 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on March 09, 2025, 06:00:34 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2025, 05:59:08 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on March 09, 2025, 05:53:30 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 09, 2025, 05:34:30 PMSurely keeper has to save that?
United do have a brilliant record when leading at half time at home.
Terrible from Raya.. Players all round are playing shite. Was a game United always turn up for is Arsenal matches. Can only hope for an Onana clanger but bar that I can't see an equaliser
Utd are shite, they will give Arsenal plenty of chances or an OG will level it
Hope so MR.. But Arsenal don't look like they could score on a dartboard
As I said
Those two missed chances for United proved costly. Game Arsenal should go on to win now against what is a threadbare and tired looking United team.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 09, 2025, 06:10:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2025, 06:05:51 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on March 09, 2025, 06:00:34 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 09, 2025, 05:59:08 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on March 09, 2025, 05:53:30 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 09, 2025, 05:34:30 PMSurely keeper has to save that?
United do have a brilliant record when leading at half time at home.
Terrible from Raya.. Players all round are playing shite. Was a game United always turn up for is Arsenal matches. Can only hope for an Onana clanger but bar that I can't see an equaliser
Utd are shite, they will give Arsenal plenty of chances or an OG will level it
Hope so MR.. But Arsenal don't look like they could score on a dartboard
As I said
Those two missed chances for United proved costly. Game Arsenal should go on to win now against what is a threadbare and tired looking United team.
They have missed chances all season, this isnt a new thing, and a team that lacks confidence/skill will not tuck those away. They cough up chances and the team that has the better players will take the opportunity
Another not taken opportunity
1-1 it finished big opportunities not taken by United. Today probably shows why Arsenal haven't been good enough to mount a serious title challenge this season.
Tierney on at left wing leaving Lewis-Skelly at LB, hard to fathom and typical of Arteta who loves a round peg in a square hole
League done, procession from March
Last man out switch off the lights
Rice running to the corner celebrating instead of grabbing the ball and bringing it back to the centre to get the game restarted tells you everything you need to know about this Arsenal team.
Quote from: tiempo on March 09, 2025, 06:37:45 PMTierney on at left wing leaving Lewis-Skelly at LB, hard to fathom and typical of Arteta who loves a round peg in a square hole
League done, procession from March
Last man out switch off the lights
Tbf Tierneys played left wing his last few appearances and has done more in his short time than Trossard/Sterling have all season.
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 09, 2025, 07:18:36 PMQuote from: tiempo on March 09, 2025, 06:37:45 PMTierney on at left wing leaving Lewis-Skelly at LB, hard to fathom and typical of Arteta who loves a round peg in a square hole
League done, procession from March
Last man out switch off the lights
Tbf Tierneys played left wing his last few appearances and has done more in his short time than Trossard/Sterling have all season.
Trossard pulls his weight
Shame the way things worked out for Tierney
Sterling weak
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 26, 2024, 10:34:03 PMLiverpool in cruise control knowing none of the so called challengers are good enough to challenge.
Arsenal might finish 2nd however will likely finish further behind the top placed team than they did the previous two seasons.
Chelsea should finish in the top four and will be delighted with that.
As poor as Manchester City have been they'll likely still stumble into 4th place.
The current bottom three Leicester,Ipswich, Southampton will do well to avoid relegation.
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Quote from: jcpen on March 09, 2025, 07:12:16 PMRice running to the corner celebrating instead of grabbing the ball and bringing it back to the centre to get the game restarted tells you everything you need to know about this Arsenal team.
Compare it to Nunez who equalised on Saturday. No celebration, lifted the ball and straight to the centre circle to get it going again, and this is a team who were 13 points clear at the time.
That's the difference folks.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 10, 2025, 06:55:47 AMQuote from: jcpen on March 09, 2025, 07:12:16 PMRice running to the corner celebrating instead of grabbing the ball and bringing it back to the centre to get the game restarted tells you everything you need to know about this Arsenal team.
Compare it to Nunez who equalised on Saturday. No celebration, lifted the ball and straight to the centre circle to get it going again, and this is a team who were 13 points clear at the time.
That's the difference folks.
As Chris Sutton might say they need the celebration police to reel them in! Rice seems a decent lad but like a lot of the Arsenal lads gets carried away with the whole thing. Celebrating like that for an equaliser against a team in 14/15th is embarrassing. Mentality midgets
Celebrating his tackle at the end, excellent tho it was, was even more cringe
Coming more and more into the game. Like rugby in this respect
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 10, 2025, 07:40:09 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on March 10, 2025, 06:55:47 AMQuote from: jcpen on March 09, 2025, 07:12:16 PMRice running to the corner celebrating instead of grabbing the ball and bringing it back to the centre to get the game restarted tells you everything you need to know about this Arsenal team.
Compare it to Nunez who equalised on Saturday. No celebration, lifted the ball and straight to the centre circle to get it going again, and this is a team who were 13 points clear at the time.
That's the difference folks.
As Chris Sutton might say they need the celebration police to reel them in! Rice seems a decent lad but like a lot of the Arsenal lads gets carried away with the whole thing. Celebrating like that for an equaliser against a team in 14/15th is embarrassing. Mentality midgets
Be great to see what Roy Keane would say.
https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/13325360/arsenal-should-be-more-worried-about-finishing-in-the-top-four-than-catching-liverpool-says-roy-keane
I've seen teams celebrate draws against the likes of West Brom, mental!
Triggered
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 10, 2025, 08:30:01 AMCelebrating his tackle at the end, excellent tho it was, was even more cringe
Coming more and more into the game. Like rugby in this respect
Aye that was hilarious, I mean yeah it was a superb tackle but it wasn't one that won the title or anything, it basically meant they were 15 behind Liverpool instead of 16!
Arteta walking off sulking after the Sky Sports fella asked him a simple enough question about the title race was also hilarious.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 10, 2025, 08:44:20 AMhttps://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/13325360/arsenal-should-be-more-worried-about-finishing-in-the-top-four-than-catching-liverpool-says-roy-keane
He also was right about how far United have fallen that they celebrated the draw at Old Trafford when they'd have been booed off for drawing there in their pomp.
Didn't see that tackle, but I've absolutely no problem with players giving it a wee celebration after a big defensive play at a key moment in the game. They aren't robots. Nothing wrong with a display of passion. Disasi did something like that for Villa at the weekend with a big block. Nice to see it means something for him.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 10, 2025, 09:16:35 AMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 10, 2025, 08:44:20 AMhttps://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/13325360/arsenal-should-be-more-worried-about-finishing-in-the-top-four-than-catching-liverpool-says-roy-keane
He also was right about how far United have fallen that they celebrated the draw at Old Trafford when they'd have been booed off for drawing there in their pomp.
Teams can't always be at the top and while this drop off from title challenging is as bad as the 70's and 80's it mirrored by other clubs during their decline at times.. Enjoy the good times as the bad times are only just around the corner as they say
Quote from: Turf on March 10, 2025, 09:14:00 AMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 10, 2025, 08:30:01 AMCelebrating his tackle at the end, excellent tho it was, was even more cringe
Coming more and more into the game. Like rugby in this respect
Aye that was hilarious, I mean yeah it was a superb tackle but it wasn't one that won the title or anything, it basically meant they were 15 behind Liverpool instead of 16!
Arteta walking off sulking after the Sky Sports fella asked him a simple enough question about the title race was also hilarious.
Self inflicted paralysis by analysis I fear from Arteta
Struggles to go with the flow, everything has to be scripted controlled micro-managed to within an inch of its life, that'll get you so far - very far, but sometimes you have to embrace a bit of reckless abandon, roll the dice, submit to chaos
Few years ago he had crowd noises playing during training ahead of a game at Anfield - they got smashed
In a move that will surely be the envy of the GPA he 'recruited' a dog which now lives at the training ground and he called her 'win' - f**king stupidity of the highest order
His faux sulk after the game yesterday was a message to the players about standards and to start the siege mentality that he hope will land the last remaining trophy available - the CL, but when it comes down to it against the top top teams he'll park the bus in the hope of an ambush, just wait and see
Quote from: lurganblue on March 10, 2025, 09:21:09 AMDidn't see that tackle, but I've absolutely no problem with players giving it a wee celebration after a big defensive play at a key moment in the game. They aren't robots. Nothing wrong with a display of passion. Disasi did something like that for Villa at the weekend with a big block. Nice to see it means something for him.
Can't wait to see the Postmans celebration this morning when he puts my post in the letterbox ;)
Quote from: Turf on March 10, 2025, 09:31:54 AMQuote from: lurganblue on March 10, 2025, 09:21:09 AMDidn't see that tackle, but I've absolutely no problem with players giving it a wee celebration after a big defensive play at a key moment in the game. They aren't robots. Nothing wrong with a display of passion. Disasi did something like that for Villa at the weekend with a big block. Nice to see it means something for him.
Can't wait to see the Postmans celebration this morning when he puts my post in the letterbox ;)
I expect a celebration at the last 5 houses only ;D
Quote from: Turf on March 10, 2025, 09:31:54 AMQuote from: lurganblue on March 10, 2025, 09:21:09 AMDidn't see that tackle, but I've absolutely no problem with players giving it a wee celebration after a big defensive play at a key moment in the game. They aren't robots. Nothing wrong with a display of passion. Disasi did something like that for Villa at the weekend with a big block. Nice to see it means something for him.
Can't wait to see the Postmans celebration this morning when he puts my post in the letterbox ;)
🤣🤣
Imo it was more than a wee celebration coupled by the fact the ball was still in play but anyway....
And his hair annoys me 😆
From BBC
QuoteReaching the Premier League is the goal for every Football League club.
But in recent years it has looked less of a prize and more of a curse.
Last season, all three promoted clubs for the 2023-24 campaign - Luton Town, Burnley and Sheffield United - were immediately relegated back to the Championship.
The three who came up for this campaign, Leicester City, Southampton and Ipswich Town, currently occupy the table's final places - and we could now see all three promoted sides relegated in consecutive seasons for the first time in Premier League history.
So, is surviving in the Premier League becoming more difficult for those coming up?
When Luton, Burnley and Sheffield United went down in the previous campaign, they had the lowest combined tally (66) of any three relegated teams in a 38-match Premier League season.
But this season's bottom three are on course to 'beat' that tally, with Opta projecting a season-end total of 58 points between Southampton, Ipswich and Leicester.
With 28 matches played, Southampton, Ipswich and Leicester have accrued 43 points between them.
That's the lowest combined total at this stage of any bottom three in Premier League history.
It is also six fewer than the combined tally of 49 of Burnley, Luton and Sheffield United last season and significantly lower than the second, third, and fourth-lowest totals in Premier League history.
Survival was the goal when Southampton were promoted via the play-offs.
But with 10 games left, they have virtually given up on safety as they are 14 points adrift of 17th-placed Wolves.
Instead, Ivan Juric's side are fighting to avoid earning the tag of the worst Premier League side ever.
That unfortunate title - if we are judging on points alone - belongs to Derby County in 2007-08.
Paul Jewell's side finished the season on 11 points, fewer than the previous record set by Sunderland in 2005-06 when they finished with 15.
Southampton's defeat by Liverpool at Anfield on Saturday means they have fewer points (nine) than Derby had after 28 matches in 2008.
The good news for Saints fans is the Rams managed just one point from a possible 30 during their last 10 matches of the campaign.
Southampton, therefore, need three points in the next 10 matches to pass the unwanted mark set by Derby 17 years ago.
I see Thomas Tuchel has decided to tread the same path as every England manager in recent memory, and make the job more difficult than it should be.
4 goalkeepers. A burnt out Kyle Walker. A recall for Jordan Henderson, was wasn't good enough 3 years ago. A recall for Marcus Rashford, currently and properly rejected from the worst Man Utd team since the 1980s.
Why do they do this to themselves?
Quote from: thewobbler on March 14, 2025, 10:01:13 AMI see Thomas Tuchel has decided to tread the same path as every England manager in recent memory, and make the job more difficult than it should be.
4 goalkeepers. A burnt out Kyle Walker. A recall for Jordan Henderson, was wasn't good enough 3 years ago. A recall for Marcus Rashford, currently and properly rejected from the worst Man Utd team since the 1980s.
Why do they do this to themselves?
The papers tell him too
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 14, 2025, 10:05:47 AMQuote from: thewobbler on March 14, 2025, 10:01:13 AMI see Thomas Tuchel has decided to tread the same path as every England manager in recent memory, and make the job more difficult than it should be.
4 goalkeepers. A burnt out Kyle Walker. A recall for Jordan Henderson, was wasn't good enough 3 years ago. A recall for Marcus Rashford, currently and properly rejected from the worst Man Utd team since the 1980s.
Why do they do this to themselves?
The papers tell him too
Goalkeepers
Jordan Pickford, Dean Henderson, Aaron Ramsdale, James Trafford
Defenders
Marc Guehi, Reece James, Levi Colwill, Ezri Konsa, Tino Livramento, Jarell Quansah, Dan Burn, Kyle Walker, Myles Lewis-Skelly
Midfielders
Jude Bellingham, Eberechi Eze, Jordan Henderson, Curtis Jones, Cole Palmer, Declan Rice, Morgan Rogers
Forwards
Anthony Gordon, Jarrod Bowen, Phil Foden, Marcus Rashford, Dominic Solanke, Harry Kane
It's a bit of a hotch botch of untested young lads, old lads like Henderson and Burn who were gone or never been on in itself is strange, but how Colwill and Quansah, a bit part player at Liverpool get the call ahead of Branthwaite is beyond me.
Reece James is rarely ever fit. He shouldn't be near it either.
Quote from: thewobbler on March 14, 2025, 10:01:13 AMI see Thomas Tuchel has decided to tread the same path as every England manager in recent memory, and make the job more difficult than it should be.
4 goalkeepers. A burnt out Kyle Walker. A recall for Jordan Henderson, was wasn't good enough 3 years ago. A recall for Marcus Rashford, currently and properly rejected from the worst Man Utd team since the 1980s.
Why do they do this to themselves?
Jordan Henderson and Kyle Walker Jesus wept. Eric Dier must be fuming.
Quote from: statto on March 14, 2025, 11:18:26 AMQuote from: thewobbler on March 14, 2025, 10:01:13 AMI see Thomas Tuchel has decided to tread the same path as every England manager in recent memory, and make the job more difficult than it should be.
4 goalkeepers. A burnt out Kyle Walker. A recall for Jordan Henderson, was wasn't good enough 3 years ago. A recall for Marcus Rashford, currently and properly rejected from the worst Man Utd team since the 1980s.
Why do they do this to themselves?
Jordan Henderson and Kyle Walker Jesus wept. Eric Dier must be fuming.
No Chris Powell from Charlton?
An old reference for you there ;D
Quote from: johnnycool on March 14, 2025, 10:43:39 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 14, 2025, 10:05:47 AMQuote from: thewobbler on March 14, 2025, 10:01:13 AMI see Thomas Tuchel has decided to tread the same path as every England manager in recent memory, and make the job more difficult than it should be.
4 goalkeepers. A burnt out Kyle Walker. A recall for Jordan Henderson, was wasn't good enough 3 years ago. A recall for Marcus Rashford, currently and properly rejected from the worst Man Utd team since the 1980s.
Why do they do this to themselves?
The papers tell him too
Goalkeepers
Jordan Pickford, Dean Henderson, Aaron Ramsdale, James Trafford
Defenders
Marc Guehi, Reece James, Levi Colwill, Ezri Konsa, Tino Livramento, Jarell Quansah, Dan Burn, Kyle Walker, Myles Lewis-Skelly
Midfielders
Jude Bellingham, Eberechi Eze, Jordan Henderson, Curtis Jones, Cole Palmer, Declan Rice, Morgan Rogers
Forwards
Anthony Gordon, Jarrod Bowen, Phil Foden, Marcus Rashford, Dominic Solanke, Harry Kane
It's a bit of a hotch botch of untested young lads, old lads like Henderson and Burn who were gone or never been on in itself is strange, but how Colwill and Quansah, a bit part player at Liverpool get the call ahead of Branthwaite is beyond me.
Is Branthwaite injured or unavailable?
Because yeah, that is hard to explain. Not Colwill necessarily. But Quansah, definitely.
Gibbs-White is another weird one.
Quote from: J70 on March 14, 2025, 11:39:25 AMGibbs-White is another weird one.
Watkins as well natural number 9 who can stretch the defence. Solanke is basically a poor mans Kane and won't run in behind defences.
Shows how detached I am from soccer these days, there's 8 players in that England squad I've never heard of.. It's as bad as the Glastonbury lineup re familiarity
Quote from: statto on March 14, 2025, 11:43:43 AMQuote from: J70 on March 14, 2025, 11:39:25 AMGibbs-White is another weird one.
Watkins as well natural number 9 who can stretch the defence. Solanke is basically a poor mans Kane and won't run in behind defences.
Watkins out with a minor knee injury. Went off at half time against Brugge on Wednesday
Quote from: J70 on March 14, 2025, 11:32:14 AMQuote from: johnnycool on March 14, 2025, 10:43:39 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 14, 2025, 10:05:47 AMQuote from: thewobbler on March 14, 2025, 10:01:13 AMI see Thomas Tuchel has decided to tread the same path as every England manager in recent memory, and make the job more difficult than it should be.
4 goalkeepers. A burnt out Kyle Walker. A recall for Jordan Henderson, was wasn't good enough 3 years ago. A recall for Marcus Rashford, currently and properly rejected from the worst Man Utd team since the 1980s.
Why do they do this to themselves?
The papers tell him too
Goalkeepers
Jordan Pickford, Dean Henderson, Aaron Ramsdale, James Trafford
Defenders
Marc Guehi, Reece James, Levi Colwill, Ezri Konsa, Tino Livramento, Jarell Quansah, Dan Burn, Kyle Walker, Myles Lewis-Skelly
Midfielders
Jude Bellingham, Eberechi Eze, Jordan Henderson, Curtis Jones, Cole Palmer, Declan Rice, Morgan Rogers
Forwards
Anthony Gordon, Jarrod Bowen, Phil Foden, Marcus Rashford, Dominic Solanke, Harry Kane
It's a bit of a hotch botch of untested young lads, old lads like Henderson and Burn who were gone or never been on in itself is strange, but how Colwill and Quansah, a bit part player at Liverpool get the call ahead of Branthwaite is beyond me.
Is Branthwaite injured or unavailable?
Because yeah, that is hard to explain. Not Colwill necessarily. But Quansah, definitely.
Branthwaite selected on the England U21 side I see instead.
Among the injuries
Saka
Watkins
Gomez
Trent
Stones
Mainoo
Maguire
Hall
I thought was a yellow card for waving imaginary card and surrounding the referee? Man City getting away with it. The young Brazil should be gone on second yellow for persistent fouling.
Man City due a late goal.
Quote from: LarryStiles on March 15, 2025, 04:50:09 PMMan City due a late goal.
They need Jake O'Brien for that.
Two fantastic goals for Cork man in the last few weeks.
It's great to see him doing well. Collins got MOTM yesterday too.
For Ireland, I'd still put Dara O'Shea in there somewhere too for recovery pace.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c798x88l9j7o
Ex-Hull striker Dean Windass diagnosed with early stage dementia, aged only 55
will be man city and A villa final
Quote from: LarryStiles on March 30, 2025, 04:55:58 PMwill be man city and A villa final
4/1 to win this game.. you could win a few quid
Watching the Utd game and my god! The antics play acting of the Forrest lads is embarrassing
A good night to put Forest for LSM ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2025, 09:21:32 PMWatching the Utd game and my god! The antics play acting of the Forrest lads is embarrassing
Ryan Yates on the ground all game. The brits never call out their own for diving.
Fair play to Forest. It really looks like they will prove all the "it'll not last the season" doubters wrong, a bit like Villa last season. Did United not know that Forest like to hit on the counter? Elanga another player not good enough for United ;)
Another win for Liverpool against Everton. Is like Kerry and Cork. Not even a rivalry anymore.
VAR having another brutal evening. How do the English seem to get this so wrong. Stonewall pen in the villa game looked at but not given. Clearest straight red you've ever seen in the Everton game, but not given
When did soccer change to the point that winning the ball wasn't enough? (Tonights challenge was a red but it wasnt always). I remember a player would get the ball but make sure he got plenty of the man too. Even nowadays when they do those dirty tackles you see them saying that they got the ball.
I definitely remember the year Leeds were in the Champions League playoffs and the 1860 Munich right winger was terrorising Ian Harte so O'Leary switched Danny Mills to left back and he nailed the fella. Got the ball but put him into the advertising hoardings and it was just regarded as a great tackle but I always remember that as for me it was the winning of that match as the lad didn't want to know afterwards and Leeds went on to the groups.
I can definitely remember a Gerrard tackle against Manchester United where he won the ball but followed through and got sent off.
Was there a specific incident that changed how those kind of tackles were viewed though? I know lads older than me would say it was even worse in their day but it has definitely changed over time although I don't think theres as many of the type of players the change would get a huge advantage from about nowadays. Games a lot more regimented with few maverick types around. Suppose they're worth so much money to clubs nowadays that the safety of all the players is the most important thing.
Quote from: lurganblue on April 02, 2025, 10:08:19 PMVAR having another brutal evening. How do the English seem to get this so wrong. Stonewall pen in the villa game looked at but not given. Clearest straight red you've ever seen in the Everton game, but not given
Villa handball was far more obvious than Mitoma's, who was ruled out.
Brentford had two stonewall penalties not given either . One for a blatant push and the ref yards away.
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 03, 2025, 10:40:21 AMQuote from: lurganblue on April 02, 2025, 10:08:19 PMVAR having another brutal evening. How do the English seem to get this so wrong. Stonewall pen in the villa game looked at but not given. Clearest straight red you've ever seen in the Everton game, but not given
Villa handball was far more obvious than Mitoma's, who was ruled out.
Brentford had two stonewall penalties not given either . One for a blatant push and the ref yards away.
Is pushing someone over not a foul?
I watched that last night on MoTD and all the pundits seemed to think it "wasn't enough" to warrant a penalty yet no one would blink an eye if a foul was given for it anywhere else on the pitch.
Same with the pulling and dragging at corners, how is that not a penalty?
McAllister had Tarkosky in a bear hug, not even facing the ball and nada..
They all do it, doesn't make it right
Tottenham are useless. All fart and no shit. James Maddison is called symbol of that.
They don't even fart much at the minute. Just a dreadful team to watch.
16th league defeat for Tottenham only Wolves (17) Ipswich (18) and the bottom two have lost more games this season.
Was allowing Spurs some latitude because of their injury list, esp at centre-half, but they were nearly full strength tonight and were still toothless.
Quote from: befair on April 04, 2025, 12:24:24 AMWas allowing Spurs some latitude because of their injury list, esp at centre-half, but they were nearly full strength tonight and were still toothless.
Son looks a pale shadow of his former self. If Frankfurt beat them in Europa league and no improvement between now and end of season would expect Ange be let go in summer.
Quote from: statto on April 04, 2025, 07:14:02 AMQuote from: befair on April 04, 2025, 12:24:24 AMWas allowing Spurs some latitude because of their injury list, esp at centre-half, but they were nearly full strength tonight and were still toothless.
Son looks a pale shadow of his former self. If Frankfurt beat them in Europa league and no improvement between now and end of season would expect Ange be let go in summer.
Yeah he looks a pale shadow of his peak now unfortunately, another amazing Levy transfer and financially over the term has given them amazing value for money, really should have been snapped up by Utd 3-4 years ago but Levy managed to tie him down long term while Utd were buying dross
De Bruyne leaving at the end of the season. Didn't fancy League 2.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 04, 2025, 03:17:05 PMDe Bruyne leaving at the end of the season. Didn't fancy League 2.
He's gone off the boil this season, a combination of no Rodri to hold things together behind him, his own injuries and the great leveller of time waiting for no man.
Some player all the same.
Quote from: tiempo on April 04, 2025, 09:14:08 AMQuote from: statto on April 04, 2025, 07:14:02 AMQuote from: befair on April 04, 2025, 12:24:24 AMWas allowing Spurs some latitude because of their injury list, esp at centre-half, but they were nearly full strength tonight and were still toothless.
Son looks a pale shadow of his former self. If Frankfurt beat them in Europa league and no improvement between now and end of season would expect Ange be let go in summer.
Yeah he looks a pale shadow of his peak now unfortunately, another amazing Levy transfer and financially over the term has given them amazing value for money, really should have been snapped up by Utd 3-4 years ago but Levy managed to tie him down long term while Utd were buying dross
Was a great piece of business, would have probably been Alexis Sanchez part 2 if ended up at OT!
Quote from: johnnycool on April 04, 2025, 03:53:28 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 04, 2025, 03:17:05 PMDe Bruyne leaving at the end of the season. Didn't fancy League 2.
He's gone off the boil this season, a combination of no Rodri to hold things together behind him, his own injuries and the great leveller of time waiting for no man.
Some player all the same.
Brilliant player Haaland will certainly miss him as had a great understanding and could play a pass through the eye of a needle. Foden will be expected to go through the gears again next season been awful this year.
f**king Hell
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c4gr3ryxdpko
Quote from: LarryStiles on April 04, 2025, 09:44:27 PMf**king Hell
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c4gr3ryxdpko
Disgusting.
Hopefully those cowards left enough breadcrumbs that they can be prosecuted.
Liverpool very poor today. Arsenal be kicking themselves for dropping points yesterday.
Liverpool to win 4-3
Quote from: LarryStiles on April 06, 2025, 03:48:35 PMLiverpool to win 4-3
You and your gambling buddy Millytown must lose a fortune.
All joking,banter, poor mouthing aside. It's the worst Liverpool team to ever win a league title in lowest quality Premier league season ever.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2025, 03:58:57 PMAll joking,banter, poor mouthing aside. It's the worst Liverpool team to ever win a league title in lowest quality Premier league season ever.
Poor pet is triggered ;D
Liverpool were still burned out from their cup final win mid week. Bad form asking them to play so soon.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2025, 03:58:57 PMAll joking,banter, poor mouthing aside. It's the worst Liverpool team to ever win a league title in lowest quality Premier league season ever.
Potentially the worst team to win a league since Leeds in 1992.
Quality of wums on here heading same way as pools performances recently
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 06, 2025, 04:15:38 PMQuality of wums on here heading same way as pools performances recently
It's glorious. The fume is so real
Sure they are only fishing looking for bites ;D
Manchester derby and no one cares. How the mighty have both fallen.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2025, 03:58:57 PMAll joking,banter, poor mouthing aside. It's the worst Liverpool team to ever win a league title in lowest quality Premier league season ever.
I know, we have been absolutely terrible this year, and still have a league title at the end of it ;D ;D ;D
Its unreal.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2025, 03:58:57 PMAll joking,banter, poor mouthing aside. It's the worst Liverpool team to ever win a league title in lowest quality Premier league season ever.
That takes the shine off it for me ;D
Quote from: jcpen on April 06, 2025, 04:37:30 PMManchester derby and no one cares. How the mighty have both fallen.
I was just thinking exactly that
Maybe United being relegated and City demoted down to Div 4 would do both of them good
I only tune in now and again thankfully but that was a brutal brutal watch. No tackling, fells rolling around with minimal contact, commentators trying their best to make it exciting. Shocking altogether
Watched the LoI on Friday night and that was better
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2025, 03:58:57 PMAll joking,banter, poor mouthing aside. It's the worst Liverpool team to ever win a league title in lowest quality Premier league season ever.
Have to love the fume from the likes of yourself. The 6th place team are competing for the champions league, the 2 favourites for the Europa league are both in the bottom half. But apparently the quality is shite and was far better in the early 00s when united or Arsenal would win a title with around 80 points and weren't able to compete for the champions league against Italian or Spanish teams.
Why is it that when city won 4 leagues in a row the quality of the league wasn't questioned. But when Liverpool win its because the quality of the league is poor?
Quote from: Dag Dog on April 06, 2025, 04:14:34 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2025, 03:58:57 PMAll joking,banter, poor mouthing aside. It's the worst Liverpool team to ever win a league title in lowest quality Premier league season ever.
Potentially the worst team to win a league since Leeds in 1992.
It's mad that the current richest and biggest league in the world with 3 recent champions league winners and filled with world class players has just all of a sudden become low quality.
Some people might say Leicester or Blackburn won it was poor quality. Or some might think it was when united dominated it when the Spanish and Italian leagues were seen as superior leagues. But no when the most successful club in the country win it when's its the biggest and richest league in the world then it's clearly because the quality must be poor.
Quote from: Dag Dog on April 06, 2025, 04:14:34 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2025, 03:58:57 PMAll joking,banter, poor mouthing aside. It's the worst Liverpool team to ever win a league title in lowest quality Premier league season ever.
Potentially the worst team to win a league since Leeds in 1992.
Worse than when United won a league with 75 points? And second place was 68?
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 07, 2025, 07:48:58 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on April 06, 2025, 04:14:34 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2025, 03:58:57 PMAll joking,banter, poor mouthing aside. It's the worst Liverpool team to ever win a league title in lowest quality Premier league season ever.
Potentially the worst team to win a league since Leeds in 1992.
Worse than when United won a league with 75 points? And second place was 68?
Does that not show rest that the rest of league was stronger. You used to need 40 points to avoid relegation. Not anymore. The gap between the top and bottom never being bigger.
Liverpool will get over the line, but it must be concerning for Slot the way Salah and VVD have hit such poor form since the CL exit.
If you're planning for next season at Liverpool you're looking at 3 or 4 top, top players to come in to keep things fresh.
Chiesa needs more gametime.
Where will Kelleher go?
Quote from: jcpen on April 06, 2025, 04:37:30 PMManchester derby and no one cares. How the mighty have both fallen.
You'd have thought that with the shíte season they've had so far that the Utd players would have actually made an effort to get one over on and really poor and disinterested City.
The long periods of silence and inane stats from the commentary team tells you all you need to know about this non-event.
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 07, 2025, 08:09:00 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 07, 2025, 07:48:58 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on April 06, 2025, 04:14:34 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2025, 03:58:57 PMAll joking,banter, poor mouthing aside. It's the worst Liverpool team to ever win a league title in lowest quality Premier league season ever.
Potentially the worst team to win a league since Leeds in 1992.
Worse than when United won a league with 75 points? And second place was 68?
Does that not show rest that the rest of league was stronger. You used to need 40 points to avoid relegation. Not anymore. The gap between the top and bottom never being bigger.
The mid table
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 07, 2025, 08:09:00 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 07, 2025, 07:48:58 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on April 06, 2025, 04:14:34 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2025, 03:58:57 PMAll joking,banter, poor mouthing aside. It's the worst Liverpool team to ever win a league title in lowest quality Premier league season ever.
Potentially the worst team to win a league since Leeds in 1992.
Worse than when United won a league with 75 points? And second place was 68?
Does that not show rest that the rest of league was stronger. You used to need 40 points to avoid relegation. Not anymore. The gap between the top and bottom never being bigger.
Nah not having it that a team that lost 5 and drew 12 was better than Liverpool 24/25. At a time when English teams didn't a sniff in Europe.
If you compare the 2 tables the final spread is going to be not that different, apart from the team at the top running up a much bigger total.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 07, 2025, 08:19:55 AMLiverpool will get over the line, but it must be concerning for Slot the way Salah and VVD have hit such poor form since the CL exit.
If you're planning for next season at Liverpool you're looking at 3 or 4 top, top players to come in to keep things fresh.
Chiesa needs more gametime.
Where will Kelleher go?
Could be a really damaging summer for Liverpool if after a title win, Salah VVD Trent and Kelleher all leave. What's the possibility of that happening?
Quote from: NAG1 on April 07, 2025, 09:18:15 AMQuote from: johnnycool on April 07, 2025, 08:19:55 AMLiverpool will get over the line, but it must be concerning for Slot the way Salah and VVD have hit such poor form since the CL exit.
If you're planning for next season at Liverpool you're looking at 3 or 4 top, top players to come in to keep things fresh.
Chiesa needs more gametime.
Where will Kelleher go?
Could be a really damaging summer for Liverpool if after a title win, Salah VVD Trent and Kelleher all leave. What's the possibility of that happening?
Sure Liverpool have already signed a new keeper, whether that's to replace Allison or Kelleher is another story, but either way Kelleher needs to move on to further his career.
Quote from: NAG1 on April 07, 2025, 09:18:15 AMQuote from: johnnycool on April 07, 2025, 08:19:55 AMLiverpool will get over the line, but it must be concerning for Slot the way Salah and VVD have hit such poor form since the CL exit.
If you're planning for next season at Liverpool you're looking at 3 or 4 top, top players to come in to keep things fresh.
Chiesa needs more gametime.
Where will Kelleher go?
Could be a really damaging summer for Liverpool if after a title win, Salah VVD Trent and Kelleher all leave. What's the possibility of that happening?
It could be if all go. But it'll be offset by Slot starting to get his own players in as well. The scouting team have done well over the last 10 years. And structure seems to be good within the club so I'd be positive. Plus it looks like most of the other competitors are suffering worse than Liverpool. City, woefully off form, will they be able to get that swagger back? Arsenal, just too small a squad and arguably need as much investment as Liverpool do. Chelsea, starting to get their act together but still well off pace. Can't see Forest maintaining their momentum. Newcastle, nah just don't see it.
They might not be the pre Christmas version, but they're still better the rest.
Quote from: NAG1 on April 07, 2025, 09:18:15 AMQuote from: johnnycool on April 07, 2025, 08:19:55 AMLiverpool will get over the line, but it must be concerning for Slot the way Salah and VVD have hit such poor form since the CL exit.
If you're planning for next season at Liverpool you're looking at 3 or 4 top, top players to come in to keep things fresh.
Chiesa needs more gametime.
Where will Kelleher go?
Could be a really damaging summer for Liverpool if after a title win, Salah VVD Trent and Kelleher all leave. What's the possibility of that happening?
Vvd is on the verge of a collapse. I honestly wouldn't be too annoyed if he left provided there is a replacement bought in the summer. Salah is the only one of the 3 I'd consider irreplaceable at the minute.
Look at Robertson, De Bruyne this season. Very few are fit for it past their early 30s. Football moves on and Liverpool FC will too.
Quote from: Dag Dog on April 06, 2025, 04:14:34 PMPotentially the worst team to win a league since Leeds in 1992.
Potentially yes however I don't expect Liverpool as defending Champions to fall off a cliff like that Leeds side did.
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 07, 2025, 08:09:00 AMDoes that not show rest that the rest of league was stronger. You used to need 40 points to avoid relegation. Not anymore. The gap between the top and bottom never being bigger.
A bit of sense among the reaction of some very sensitive Liverpool supporters on here many of whom had the expectations of Liverpool winning the quadruple this season.
Reality was different with getting dumped out of FA Cup by Plymouth. Out played by Newcastle in the league cup likewise by PSG in Champions league where that tie should have been over in the 1st leg. Yesterday lost to Fulham, losing and conceding three goals Fulham FFS a side who played their last game of any importance last week in the FA Cup and lost it 3-0 to Crystal Palace.
Quote from: NAG1 on April 07, 2025, 09:18:15 AMQuote from: johnnycool on April 07, 2025, 08:19:55 AMLiverpool will get over the line, but it must be concerning for Slot the way Salah and VVD have hit such poor form since the CL exit.
If you're planning for next season at Liverpool you're looking at 3 or 4 top, top players to come in to keep things fresh.
Chiesa needs more gametime.
Where will Kelleher go?
Could be a really damaging summer for Liverpool if after a title win, Salah VVD Trent and Kelleher all leave. What's the possibility of that happening?
Sure Klopp leaving was also supposed to be damaging and now they are on the brink of a 20th League title.
Funny how things work out sometimes.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 07, 2025, 11:00:24 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on April 06, 2025, 04:14:34 PMPotentially the worst team to win a league since Leeds in 1992.
Potentially yes however I don't expect Liverpool as defending Champions to fall off a cliff like that Leeds side did.
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 07, 2025, 08:09:00 AMDoes that not show rest that the rest of league was stronger. You used to need 40 points to avoid relegation. Not anymore. The gap between the top and bottom never being bigger.
A bit of sense among the reaction of some very sensitive Liverpool supporters on here many of whom had the expectations of Liverpool winning the quadruple this season.
Reality was different with getting dumped out of FA Cup by Plymouth. Out played by Newcastle in the league cup likewise by PSG in Champions league where that tie should have been over in the 1st leg. Yesterday lost to Fulham, losing and conceding three goals Fulham FFS a side who played their last game of any importance last week in the FA Cup and lost it 3-0 to Crystal Palace.
Is there anyone at home in your head at all.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 07, 2025, 11:00:24 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on April 06, 2025, 04:14:34 PMPotentially the worst team to win a league since Leeds in 1992.
Potentially yes however I don't expect Liverpool as defending Champions to fall off a cliff like that Leeds side did.
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 07, 2025, 08:09:00 AMDoes that not show rest that the rest of league was stronger. You used to need 40 points to avoid relegation. Not anymore. The gap between the top and bottom never being bigger.
A bit of sense among the reaction of some very sensitive Liverpool supporters on here many of whom had the expectations of Liverpool winning the quadruple this season.
Reality was different with getting dumped out of FA Cup by Plymouth. Out played by Newcastle in the league cup likewise by PSG in Champions league where that tie should have been over in the 1st leg. Yesterday lost to Fulham, losing and conceding three goals Fulham FFS a side who played their last game of any importance last week in the FA Cup and lost it 3-0 to Crystal Palace.
Expectations of a quadruple FFS... 😂
Still, if that's what you need to tell yourself to save face, tear away.
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 07, 2025, 08:09:00 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 07, 2025, 07:48:58 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on April 06, 2025, 04:14:34 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2025, 03:58:57 PMAll joking,banter, poor mouthing aside. It's the worst Liverpool team to ever win a league title in lowest quality Premier league season ever.
Potentially the worst team to win a league since Leeds in 1992.
Worse than when United won a league with 75 points? And second place was 68?
Does that not show rest that the rest of league was stronger. You used to need 40 points to avoid relegation. Not anymore. The gap between the top and bottom never being bigger.
The gap between lower mid-table and the bottom is now huge. Ipswich couldn't even win a home six pointer against Wolves, the team directly above them, at the weekend. And Ipswich are a good bit better than the two teams sitting below them.
Next year Burnley, Leeds etc., whoever gets promoted, will be hot favourites for the drop again as they won't have the backbone of PL players needed to keep them up without major spending.
Many of the mid-table teams are now among the wealthiest teams on the planet (and I'm not throwing a dig at United).
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 07, 2025, 11:00:24 AMQuote from: Dag Dog on April 06, 2025, 04:14:34 PMPotentially the worst team to win a league since Leeds in 1992.
Potentially yes however I don't expect Liverpool as defending Champions to fall off a cliff like that Leeds side did.
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 07, 2025, 08:09:00 AMDoes that not show rest that the rest of league was stronger. You used to need 40 points to avoid relegation. Not anymore. The gap between the top and bottom never being bigger.
A bit of sense among the reaction of some very sensitive Liverpool supporters on here many of whom had the expectations of Liverpool winning the quadruple this season.
Reality was different with getting dumped out of FA Cup by Plymouth. Out played by Newcastle in the league cup likewise by PSG in Champions league where that tie should have been over in the 1st leg. Yesterday lost to Fulham, losing and conceding three goals Fulham FFS a side who played their last game of any importance last week in the FA Cup and lost it 3-0 to Crystal Palace.
You're not very subtle for a WUM ;D
The only ones talking about the he quadruple for Liverpool were Man u fans so they could scoff when lo and behold Liverpool implode by 'only' winning the league. Lost only their second match of the season in April and it's a catastrophe. Some craic ;D
What is evident is the fact that the Premier league has never been poorer.
Liverpool aren't a great team but ran away with it.
Sky's over promotion of the PL as the best league in the world is nonsense.
Which ones are better Snoop
Quote from: snoopdog on April 07, 2025, 03:06:04 PMWhat is evident is the fact that the Premier league has never been poorer.
Liverpool aren't a great team but ran away with it.
Sky's over promotion of the PL as the best league in the world is nonsense.
Liverpool have run away with it because City are rebuilding and Arsenal didn't address their striker issue and suffered a few significant injuries. The rest of the league, including Liverpool, have been pretty much the same as last year, when we didn't hear a thing about the relatively "poor" standard of the PL.
No one really said anything either in 2021 or 2023 when Liverpool had their own injury and squad crises derailing their seasons, making things much handier for City.
The PL has been boring the shit out of me for years now.
Yes, I follow United and they are shit, but as snoop said, the over promotion of it is mental. I enjoy watching Salah and Palmer, and that's about it.
I usually find myself recording MOTD , and forwarding it on to just watch the goals.
I find the banter with Keane, Neville, Carragher etc more exciting. And the Football Weekly podcast fills in anything else of note for me . Barry Glendinning is FW's Roy Keane, tells it like it is.
Quote from: snoopdog on April 07, 2025, 03:06:04 PMWhat is evident is the fact that the Premier league has never been poorer.
Liverpool aren't a great team but ran away with it.
Sky's over promotion of the PL as the best league in the world is nonsense.
It was pretty poor in 1996/97
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Was that the year Newcastle threw away a 16 point lead?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 07, 2025, 10:59:05 PMWas that the year Newcastle threw away a 16 point lead?
That was the previous year. And it was 12 points.
Quote from: J70 on April 07, 2025, 04:58:02 PMQuote from: snoopdog on April 07, 2025, 03:06:04 PMWhat is evident is the fact that the Premier league has never been poorer.
Liverpool aren't a great team but ran away with it.
Sky's over promotion of the PL as the best league in the world is nonsense.
Liverpool have run away with it because City are rebuilding and Arsenal didn't address their striker issue and suffered a few significant injuries. The rest of the league, including Liverpool, have been pretty much the same as last year, when we didn't hear a thing about the relatively "poor" standard of the PL.
No one really said anything either in 2021 or 2023 when Liverpool had their own injury and squad crises derailing their seasons, making things much handier for City.
Something like 13 first team players out last January.
Quote from: Armamike on April 08, 2025, 10:13:52 AMQuote from: J70 on April 07, 2025, 04:58:02 PMQuote from: snoopdog on April 07, 2025, 03:06:04 PMWhat is evident is the fact that the Premier league has never been poorer.
Liverpool aren't a great team but ran away with it.
Sky's over promotion of the PL as the best league in the world is nonsense.
Liverpool have run away with it because City are rebuilding and Arsenal didn't address their striker issue and suffered a few significant injuries. The rest of the league, including Liverpool, have been pretty much the same as last year, when we didn't hear a thing about the relatively "poor" standard of the PL.
No one really said anything either in 2021 or 2023 when Liverpool had their own injury and squad crises derailing their seasons, making things much handier for City.
Something like 13 first team players out last January.
Think you can only play with 11....
A nil nil draw between a city team on the slide and the worst united team ever, and pundits have went off on the Premier League being dull and boring. It really eats at them to see other clubs do well. Some of the football that the likes of Palace, Newcastle and even Villa have play this year has been a joy to watch (not to mention the obvious performances by Liverpool and Arsenal).
Maybe the over reliance on opinions from ex "big 6" players is coming under threat.
The league isnt much different than any other year in terms of quality. The fact is that many people with biased opinions have lost interest as the status quo is struggling.
Quote from: lurganblue on April 08, 2025, 02:42:20 PMA nil nil draw between a city team on the slide and the worst united team ever, and pundits have went off on the Premier League being dull and boring. It really eats at them to see other clubs do well. Some of the football that the likes of Palace, Newcastle and even Villa have play this year has been a joy to watch (not to mention the obvious performances by Liverpool and Arsenal).
Maybe the over reliance on opinions from ex "big 6" players is coming under threat.
The league isnt much different than any other year in terms of quality. The fact is that many people with biased opinions have lost interest as the status quo is struggling.
Outside of the three promoted teams anyone else can beat the other teams which makes it a good watch still.
Villa seem to be assembling a really strong squad with Emery able to make 8 changes at weekend and beat a champions league rival still. If they make CL again could be a big summer for them with City rebuilding, some outgoings at Liverpool and Arsenal shy a central striker as we speak.
As long as Troy Deeney doesn't make it onto the TV will continue to watch.
Arsenal follow up last weeks 1-1 draw with Everton with another 1-1 draw this time against Brentford this evening.
Villa coming into form at the right time of the season
Arsenal can only make 81. If the gunners get over Madrid, CL will be their priority. If they somehow blow a 3 goal cushion, I don't think their subsequent PL performances will be great. Either way, 78 points or lower probably enough for Liverpool now.
Forrest under serious pressure, everyone down to 7th breathing down their necks.
Relegation done and dusted. Leeds and Burnley nearly up. Sheffield Utd can catch them but most likely will be in the playoffs with Sunderland. Other two spots are tight.
Liverpool make hard work of West Ham at home but got the win and are just two wins away to be confirmed as champions now.
Other results
Chelsea 2 Ipswich 2
Wolves 4 Tottenham 2
Looking good for Liverpool. Can win it at home to Spurs now providing they beat Leicester. Can win it sooner if Arsenal bottle any more Premier League games.
Just need Philippe Albert to come on and score the 5th now for Newcastle
https://youtu.be/cvCcnUQPkvc?si=i-c6bg-dnZKEpvc8
Quote from: jcpen on April 13, 2025, 04:22:48 PMLooking good for Liverpool. Can win it at home to Spurs now providing they beat Leicester. Can win it sooner if Arsenal bottle any more Premier League games.
Klopp should be raising the cup when pool lift if Slot has any decentcy
After over taking Leicester City and Blackburn rovers can pool do the 3 in .a row?
Larry not getting many bites tonight, keep trying chap
Massive result for villa. I think that was a must win.
City up next. I'd take a draw
Quote from: lurganblue on April 19, 2025, 09:11:18 PMMassive result for villa. I think that was a must win.
City up next. I'd take a draw
Villa are playing some stuff great side to watch.
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3rd,4th and 5th will get Champions league football along with Liverpool,Arsenal next season. Which two will miss out?
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3rd,4th and 5th will get Champions league football along with Liverpool,Arsenal next season. Which two will miss out?
Utd or Spurs could get Champions leagues football also which COULD drop out the other contenders
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 12:16:01 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2025, 12:00:31 AM(https://i.ibb.co/V0Pmb1FC/bandicam-2025-04-19-23-57-52-769.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
3rd,4th and 5th will get Champions league football along with Liverpool,Arsenal next season. Which two will miss out?
Utd or Spurs could get Champions leagues football also which COULD drop out the other contenders
United or Spurs winning wouldn't affect any other team any more. That rules changed now. In fact, England could have had 7 teams in it. Top 5, Villa finish 6th or below but win the Champions League and then the Europa winners would have been 7.
Quote from: SaffronSports on April 20, 2025, 12:21:40 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 12:16:01 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2025, 12:00:31 AM(https://i.ibb.co/V0Pmb1FC/bandicam-2025-04-19-23-57-52-769.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
3rd,4th and 5th will get Champions league football along with Liverpool,Arsenal next season. Which two will miss out?
Utd or Spurs could get Champions leagues football also which COULD drop out the other contenders
United or Spurs winning wouldn't affect any other team any more. That rules changed now. In fact, England could have had 7 teams in it. Top 5, Villa finish 6th or below but win the Champions League and then the Europa winners would have been 7.
Is that a recent thing? Didn't realise, thought those winning would be going in ahead of the others..
Would be a pity for forest to drop out of champions league positions so late on but I suspect looking at it that is what will happen.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 20, 2025, 08:03:10 AMWould be a pity for forest to drop out of champions league positions so late on but I suspect looking at it that is what will happen.
Wouldn't bet against them yet. They have some very gentle fixtures, compared to those around them.
Sky Sports showing two dead rubbers. Ipswich and Arsenal . Liverpool and Leicester will be boost to pool score difference. Should of put Newcastle and Aston Villa on for the super Sunday.
Quote from: LarryStiles on April 20, 2025, 03:25:52 PMSky Sports showing two dead rubbers. Ipswich and Arsenal . Liverpool and Leicester will be boost to pool score difference. Should of put Newcastle and Aston Villa on for the super Sunday.
Liverpool could have won the league today if Ipswich beat arsenal.
Quote from: LarryStiles on April 20, 2025, 03:25:52 PMSky Sports showing two dead rubbers. Ipswich and Arsenal . Liverpool and Leicester will be boost to pool score difference. Should of put Newcastle and Aston Villa on for the super Sunday.
Hopefully Liverpool go out with intent and stuff them 5-0 instead of the tentative shite we have seen at the tail end of seasons over the years.
Back to reality at Old Trafford.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 12:48:17 AMQuote from: SaffronSports on April 20, 2025, 12:21:40 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 12:16:01 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2025, 12:00:31 AM(https://i.ibb.co/V0Pmb1FC/bandicam-2025-04-19-23-57-52-769.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
3rd,4th and 5th will get Champions league football along with Liverpool,Arsenal next season. Which two will miss out?
Utd or Spurs could get Champions leagues football also which COULD drop out the other contenders
United or Spurs winning wouldn't affect any other team any more. That rules changed now. In fact, England could have had 7 teams in it. Top 5, Villa finish 6th or below but win the Champions League and then the Europa winners would have been 7.
Is that a recent thing? Didn't realise, thought those winning would be going in ahead of the others..
Yeah think it's recent as i thought the same as you until my da said it was changed now so I googled it and it seems right enough.
Read on the socials earlier that Liverpool had more points (39) on 22nd Dec after beating Spurs, than United's current tally (38). 4 months and 15 games ago.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 21, 2025, 03:16:32 PMRead on the socials earlier that Liverpool had more points (39) on 22nd Dec after beating Spurs, than United's current tally (38). 4 months and 15 games ago.
Careful. You're not allowed to mention Man United apparently...
Room for a wee one? Time to move the Leeds thread into this.
Quote from: SaffronSports on April 21, 2025, 07:31:25 PMRoom for a wee one? Time to move the Leeds thread into this.
Hardly much point for one season.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 21, 2025, 07:34:05 PMQuote from: SaffronSports on April 21, 2025, 07:31:25 PMRoom for a wee one? Time to move the Leeds thread into this.
Hardly much point for one season.
Operation 17th very much in play. You only have to look at the three promoted teams last year to know it's going to be a mighty challenge. Farke hasn't got a great record either.
Fair play to Forest. Just when you think their bubble has burst, they pull another big result out.
Quote from: ONeill on April 21, 2025, 10:00:09 PMFair play to Forest. Just when you think their bubble has burst, they pull another big result out.
Spurs are dung, I was say they'd beat Utd if they meet in the final lol
Quote from: ONeill on April 21, 2025, 10:00:09 PMFair play to Forest. Just when you think their bubble has burst, they pull another big result out.
Good to see. Imagine being a Spurs fan at the minute.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 21, 2025, 10:06:32 PMQuote from: ONeill on April 21, 2025, 10:00:09 PMFair play to Forest. Just when you think their bubble has burst, they pull another big result out.
Good to see. Imagine being a Spurs fan.
Quote from: ONeill on April 21, 2025, 10:00:09 PMFair play to Forest. Just when you think their bubble has burst, they pull another big result out.
Nuno Espírito Santo should be named Premier League Manager of the year should Nottingham Forest secure Champions League football for next season.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 21, 2025, 10:15:36 PMQuote from: ONeill on April 21, 2025, 10:00:09 PMFair play to Forest. Just when you think their bubble has burst, they pull another big result out.
Nuno Espírito Santo should be named Premier League Manager of the year should Nottingham Forest secure Champions League football for next season.
Be a good manager for Tottingham.....hang on....
Spurs so poor this year. But Mr Postecoglou has promised a trophy so the Europa League is incoming.
Arsenal and Chelsea will win the other two European trophies, so late- May will be a busy time for London's open-top bus companies.
Chelsea completely, the others not close
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 21, 2025, 10:19:41 PMBe a good manager for Tottingham.....hang on....
Nuno should be pretty pleased with a home and away win against spuds this season a mere 17 matches is all they gave him in charge almost as stupid as getting rid of Jose Mourinho days before a cup final.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 21, 2025, 10:21:20 PMSpurs so poor this year. But Mr Postecoglou has promised a trophy so the Europa League is incoming.
Arsenal and Chelsea will win the other two European trophies, so late- May will be a busy time for London's open-top bus companies.
If Tottenham aren't beaten by Bodo Glimt they should be beaten in the final. I wouldn't put any life savings on Arsenal to win a European trophy. Chelsea should win after all even West Ham under David Moyes managed to win that Flower vase trophy.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2025, 10:03:19 PMQuote from: ONeill on April 21, 2025, 10:00:09 PMFair play to Forest. Just when you think their bubble has burst, they pull another big result out.
Spurs are dung, I was say they'd beat Utd if they meet in the final lol
Surely the worst Europa league competition of all time. United looking like finishing 16/17th in league, spurs and a team from Norway in last 4.
Quote from: statto on April 21, 2025, 10:43:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 21, 2025, 10:03:19 PMQuote from: ONeill on April 21, 2025, 10:00:09 PMFair play to Forest. Just when you think their bubble has burst, they pull another big result out.
Spurs are dung, I was say they'd beat Utd if they meet in the final lol
Surely the worst Europa league competition of all time. United looking like finishing 16/17th in league, spurs and a team from Norway in last 4.
The worst, the worst since the old cup winners cup, when any aul team could get to the final
If anyone mentions the fact that champs League was bigger this year and the fact that no teams dropped down from the champs League you'd only be accused of sour grapes so better not mentioning these facts.
Europa League. Great bunch of lads
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 21, 2025, 11:15:26 PMIf anyone mentions the fact that champs League was bigger this year and the fact that no teams dropped down from the champs League you'd only be accused of sour grapes so better not mentioning these facts.
Europa League. Great bunch of lads
I'm glad you mentioned that
The 8 teams not dropping down is the big difference. The best 8 that failed to make the last 16. So this year would include Man City, Juve, Atalanta, Milan.
The europa league is visibly weaker this year. Hence Spurs have been favourites throughout, despite their players clearly hating their manager.
Quote from: shark on April 22, 2025, 08:13:12 AMThe 8 teams not dropping down is the big difference. The best 8 that failed to make the last 16. So this year would include Man City, Juve, Atalanta, Milan.
That was daft format, getting knocked out of one competition and dropping into another, imagine if we had the same with the Tailteann Cup?
I for one Liked the Cup winners Cup more than what is in place now with the Europa and conference leagues. No real need of having 8 group matches before the knock out stages but money counts for Uefa.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 22, 2025, 01:47:15 PMQuote from: shark on April 22, 2025, 08:13:12 AMThe 8 teams not dropping down is the big difference. The best 8 that failed to make the last 16. So this year would include Man City, Juve, Atalanta, Milan.
That was daft format, getting knocked out of one competition and dropping into another, imagine if we had the same with the Tailteann Cup?
I for one Liked the Cup winners Cup more than what is in place now with the Europa and conference leagues. No real need of having 8 group matches before the knock out stages but money counts for Uefa.
Agree, it was ridiculous really. It does lower the standard of Europa (and also the Conference too) , but so what.
Peter Schmeichel documentary out, caught it on the shtick, excellent footage of Denmark and Utd years and some good quips from Fergie
Man City turning things around and look like they will take a Champions League spot.
Would expect them to be a force again next season, depending on the outcome of the charges though!
Quote from: shark on April 22, 2025, 03:07:06 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 22, 2025, 01:47:15 PMQuote from: shark on April 22, 2025, 08:13:12 AMThe 8 teams not dropping down is the big difference. The best 8 that failed to make the last 16. So this year would include Man City, Juve, Atalanta, Milan.
That was daft format, getting knocked out of one competition and dropping into another, imagine if we had the same with the Tailteann Cup?
I for one Liked the Cup winners Cup more than what is in place now with the Europa and conference leagues. No real need of having 8 group matches before the knock out stages but money counts for Uefa.
Agree, it was ridiculous really. It does lower the standard of Europa (and also the Conference too) , but so what.
If Man United and Spurs get to the final I wonder will there ever have been a European Final when both teams are so low down in their domestic league?
If played today it would be 14th v 16th.
Quote from: jcpen on April 23, 2025, 10:27:08 AMQuote from: shark on April 22, 2025, 03:07:06 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 22, 2025, 01:47:15 PMQuote from: shark on April 22, 2025, 08:13:12 AMThe 8 teams not dropping down is the big difference. The best 8 that failed to make the last 16. So this year would include Man City, Juve, Atalanta, Milan.
That was daft format, getting knocked out of one competition and dropping into another, imagine if we had the same with the Tailteann Cup?
I for one Liked the Cup winners Cup more than what is in place now with the Europa and conference leagues. No real need of having 8 group matches before the knock out stages but money counts for Uefa.
Agree, it was ridiculous really. It does lower the standard of Europa (and also the Conference too) , but so what.
If Man United and Spurs get to the final I wonder will there ever have been a European Final when both teams are so low down in their domestic league?
If played today it would be 14th v 16th.
You'd imagine that doesn't happen too often. United could be even lower by then if they get there.
The El crapico
Not my best work
It's just I've been so triggered lately
Quote from: jcpen on April 23, 2025, 08:49:35 AMMan City turning things around and look like they will take a Champions League spot.
Would expect them to be a force again next season, depending on the outcome of the charges though!
How long have we all been waiting on the outcome of those charges at this point?!
But yeah, I expect City will be the team to beat again next year.
Quote from: J70 on April 23, 2025, 01:02:10 PMQuote from: jcpen on April 23, 2025, 08:49:35 AMMan City turning things around and look like they will take a Champions League spot.
Would expect them to be a force again next season, depending on the outcome of the charges though!
How long have we all been waiting on the outcome of those charges at this point?!
But yeah, I expect City will be the team to beat again next year.
Decision is already made but won't be announced until after the season is over. Was mentioned on that Overlap podcast Carragher does with Scholes.
Liverpool will have wait til sunday for league trophy. Palace resting lads tonight for FA cup.
Quote from: jcpen on April 23, 2025, 08:49:35 AMMan City turning things around and look like they will take a Champions League spot.
Would expect them to be a force again next season, depending on the outcome of the charges though!
Force in league 1
A good result for Liverpool. It allows them to win the league on the field at Anfield with just a draw.
Haven't been good enough this season (injuries a factor but we've never been top of the table this season), fair play to Liverpool.. I dare say even the spurs supporters will be celebrating at Anfield on Sunday 😅.
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 23, 2025, 10:02:04 PMA good result for Liverpool. It allows them to win the league on the field at Anfield with just a draw.
And to think some Liverpool supporters on here got triggered when I said months ago that Liverpool had the title won already and the only question left was how many matches to spare the title will be won by? the answer is now known with four games to spare.
For the second season in a row, all three promoted teams have been relegated straight back to the Championship. Will Leeds United and Burnley fare better next season?
Leeds are the Championship...real with it
Deal
Poor result for Forest, Champions League hopes hanging by a thread.
How it stands now for champions league places with 4 games to
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Plus another English team in the CL
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2025, 10:25:47 PMPlus another English team in the CL
Yes if Tottenham and Man United hold on to their 1st leg leads.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 01, 2025, 10:40:27 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2025, 10:25:47 PMPlus another English team in the CL
Yes if Tottenham and Man United hold on to their 1st leg leads.
True, both can fold quickly
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 01, 2025, 10:14:20 PMHow it stands now for champions league places with 4 games to
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With 4 games to go, i'd back being the current 5 to get the CL spaces. Forest are on the slide, Villa inconsistent and Chelsea seem to be digging out results.
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 23, 2025, 10:07:26 PMHaven't been good enough this season (injuries a factor but we've never been top of the table this season), fair play to Liverpool.. I dare say even the spurs supporters will be celebrating at Anfield on Sunday 😅.
There's a video of alot of them singing ynwa.
Or maybe it was liverpool fans in undercover!
These f**king players.. Way arsenal are playing we will be lucky to finish 5th
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 03, 2025, 07:07:02 PMThese f**king players.. Way arsenal are playing we will be lucky to finish 5th
Man City and Newcastle will be eyeing up a 2nd place finish with Arsenal playing Liverpool and Newcastle in their next 2 games. Losing today at home with a strongest available team won't help the confidence levels going to Paris. PSG made ten changes to their starting 11 today and lost to Strasbourg.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 03, 2025, 07:29:03 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on May 03, 2025, 07:07:02 PMThese f**king players.. Way arsenal are playing we will be lucky to finish 5th
Man City and Newcastle will be eyeing up a 2nd place finish with Arsenal playing Liverpool and Newcastle in their next 2 games. Losing today at home with a strongest available team won't help the confidence levels going to Paris. PSG made ten changes to their starting 11 today and lost to Strasbourg.
why would you play your strongest team today
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 03, 2025, 09:13:14 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 03, 2025, 07:29:03 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on May 03, 2025, 07:07:02 PMThese f**king players.. Way arsenal are playing we will be lucky to finish 5th
Man City and Newcastle will be eyeing up a 2nd place finish with Arsenal playing Liverpool and Newcastle in their next 2 games. Losing today at home with a strongest available team won't help the confidence levels going to Paris. PSG made ten changes to their starting 11 today and lost to Strasbourg.
why would you play your strongest team today
Momentum. 2nd place under pressure now. If they go out Europe against PSG real questions about Arteta
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 03, 2025, 09:18:48 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 03, 2025, 09:13:14 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on May 03, 2025, 07:29:03 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on May 03, 2025, 07:07:02 PMThese f**king players.. Way arsenal are playing we will be lucky to finish 5th
Man City and Newcastle will be eyeing up a 2nd place finish with Arsenal playing Liverpool and Newcastle in their next 2 games. Losing today at home with a strongest available team won't help the confidence levels going to Paris. PSG made ten changes to their starting 11 today and lost to Strasbourg.
why would you play your strongest team today
Momentum. 2nd place under pressure now. If they go out Europe against PSG real questions about Arteta
Only questions on Arteta for me is selection (Odegaard especially been poor for months) other than that those two goals players are too blame.. Standing with fingers up their holes for that throw in and Odegaard weak as dish water for the 2nd
Yeah Arsenal going to finish 3rd in a 2 horse race. Very spursy.
Villa squeak a win to stay in the hunt. Hoping Liverpool aren't on the beach tomorrow.
Tonight Crystal Palace 1 Nottingham Forest 1
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Goal difference is key here for Villa. I think it means that they cant make it to the top 5.
It's amazing to think that either Spurs or United into the CL is more likely.
Results today and yesterday in the top 5 race.
Newcastle 2 Chelsea 0
Southampton 0 Man City 0
Nottingham Forest 2 Leicester 2
Bournemouth 0 Aston Villa 1
How things stand with two games to play.
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Nottingham Forest owner made a bit of fool of himself at the end of the game today and on a day his club qualified for European football for the first time in 29 years.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 11, 2025, 07:41:52 PMNottingham Forest owner made a bit of fool of himself at the end of the game today and on a day his club qualified for European football for the first time in 29 years.
Not the first time, comes across deeply unlikable
Quote from: lurganblue on May 06, 2025, 09:12:30 AMGoal difference is key here for Villa. I think it means that they cant make it to the top 5.
It's amazing to think that either Spurs or United into the CL is more likely.
Villa just need to focus on getting 6 points from Spurs and Man Utd. 69 points would be more than Villa got last season to finish 4th. And would mean 27 points from final 10 games.
Apparently the probability of Villa making top 5 is approx 35%. But if they get 6 points it's approx 65%. Puts pressure on others - especially Chelsea. One unexpected result could change everything.
Quote from: shark on May 12, 2025, 09:49:39 AMQuote from: lurganblue on May 06, 2025, 09:12:30 AMGoal difference is key here for Villa. I think it means that they cant make it to the top 5.
It's amazing to think that either Spurs or United into the CL is more likely.
Villa just need to focus on getting 6 points from Spurs and Man Utd. 69 points would be more than Villa got last season to finish 4th. And would mean 27 points from final 10 games.
Apparently the probability of Villa making top 5 is approx 35%. But if they get 6 points it's approx 65%. Puts pressure on others - especially Chelsea. One unexpected result could change everything.
Yeah Villa now need to win the last 2 and likely hope that Forest do something v Chelsea on the last day.
Aston Villa couldn't have asked for two better games to finish out the season. Tottenham,Manchester United have closed up their tent on Premier league games many weeks ago even already relegated Southampton,Leicester are putting more effort into games.
If 69 points isn't enough for Champions league football for Aston Villa then they should look to win a Europa league next season that or any trophy would be big for the club.
Bored...what's everyone's team of the year?
I reckon...
Sels
Aine
Milenkovic
Van Dijk
Kerkez
Gravenberch
Caicedo
Mac Allister
Salah
Isak
Mbuemo
Honorable mentions...
Robinson
Rogers
Huijsen
Cunha
Wood
Gibbs-white
Murphy
Tielemans
No harm but who cares. Best league in the world my @rse. It's pure muck
Quote from: An Watcher on May 16, 2025, 10:21:09 PMNo harm but who cares. Best league in the world my @rse. It's pure muck
Aye actually you're right.
Mods close the thread #puremuck
Quote from: An Watcher on May 16, 2025, 10:21:09 PMNo harm but who cares. Best league in the world my @rse. It's pure muck
I don't think it's the best in the world but it's not pure muck either!
Quote from: gawa316 on May 16, 2025, 09:59:50 PMBored...what's everyone's team of the year?
I reckon...
Sels
Aine
Milenkovic
Van Dijk
Kerkez
Gravenberch
Caicedo
Mac Allister
Salah
Isak
Mbuemo
Honorable mentions...
Robinson
Rogers
Huijsen
Cunha
Wood
Gibbs-white
Murphy
Tielemans
Sels
Aina
Virgil
Gabriel
Lewis-Skelly / Kerkez
Rice
Gravenberch
McAlister
Salah
Isak
Cunha
As expected, 2 wins for villa and Chelsea tonight. It'll go to the last day.
Spurs and Utd pure muck.
Thought someone was on the wind up but no the actual name for Everton's new home will be the Hill Dickinson Stadium.
Quote from: An Watcher on May 16, 2025, 10:21:09 PMNo harm but who cares. Best league in the world my @rse. It's pure muck
Apparently it was much better quality in the 90s/early 00s when the best English clubs bar united in 99 couldn't compete against other nations clubs in Europe. But when 3 different premier league clubs have recently won the champions league and world club and the 16th and 17th placed teams in the league are playing in a European final it's poor muck 😂.
Enjoyed it more when you could put in a tackle and players weren't falling around the place
Quote from: An Watcher on May 17, 2025, 07:25:41 AMEnjoyed it more when you could put in a tackle and players weren't falling around the place
You can still tackle?
Ever actually watch a full game from the 90s, most of it was absolutely turgid stuff. I think we look at it through rose tinted glasses sometimes. You forget the mucky pitches, slow play and the fact that almost every goal was scored from 6 yards out.
Give me a De Bruyne or McAllister worldie any day.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 17, 2025, 10:25:51 AMQuote from: An Watcher on May 17, 2025, 07:25:41 AMEnjoyed it more when you could put in a tackle and players weren't falling around the place
You can still tackle?
Ever actually watch a full game from the 90s, most of it was absolutely turgid stuff. I think we look at it through rose tinted glasses sometimes. You forget the mucky pitches, slow play and the fact that almost every goal was scored from 6 yards out.
Give me a De Bruyne or McAllister worldie any day.
Gary?
Quote from: johnnycool on May 17, 2025, 10:45:22 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 17, 2025, 10:25:51 AMQuote from: An Watcher on May 17, 2025, 07:25:41 AMEnjoyed it more when you could put in a tackle and players weren't falling around the place
You can still tackle?
Ever actually watch a full game from the 90s, most of it was absolutely turgid stuff. I think we look at it through rose tinted glasses sometimes. You forget the mucky pitches, slow play and the fact that almost every goal was scored from 6 yards out.
Give me a De Bruyne or McAllister worldie any day.
Gary?
I think he means Kevin
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 17, 2025, 10:47:17 AMQuote from: johnnycool on May 17, 2025, 10:45:22 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 17, 2025, 10:25:51 AMQuote from: An Watcher on May 17, 2025, 07:25:41 AMEnjoyed it more when you could put in a tackle and players weren't falling around the place
You can still tackle?
Ever actually watch a full game from the 90s, most of it was absolutely turgid stuff. I think we look at it through rose tinted glasses sometimes. You forget the mucky pitches, slow play and the fact that almost every goal was scored from 6 yards out.
Give me a De Bruyne or McAllister worldie any day.
Gary?
I think he means Kevin
*Mac!
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 17, 2025, 10:47:17 AMQuote from: johnnycool on May 17, 2025, 10:45:22 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 17, 2025, 10:25:51 AMQuote from: An Watcher on May 17, 2025, 07:25:41 AMEnjoyed it more when you could put in a tackle and players weren't falling around the place
You can still tackle?
Ever actually watch a full game from the 90s, most of it was absolutely turgid stuff. I think we look at it through rose tinted glasses sometimes. You forget the mucky pitches, slow play and the fact that almost every goal was scored from 6 yards out.
Give me a De Bruyne or McAllister worldie any day.
Gary?
I think he means Kevin
Kevin is home alone
Today isn't a patch on the noughties.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 17, 2025, 10:51:15 AMToday isn't a patch on the noughties.
The 90's were the best time I thought. Before the obscene money came in and ruined things
Early to mid 90's, you could name and recognise most players in the league. Nowadays I couldn't pick out a quarter of the players from the team I follow .
Say what you like about so called Better players coming in , but there was more of a , (for want of a better word) connection with teams, when most of the players were from Britain and Ireland. They all spoke English and you could pronounce their names. Nowadays most teams barely has a player from Europe never mind Britain. I dunno, maybe I'm going all Abe Simpson, but I just preferred how things were back in 19-dickety-two.
Old man shouts at cloud
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Quote from: RedHand88 on May 17, 2025, 10:25:51 AMQuote from: An Watcher on May 17, 2025, 07:25:41 AMEnjoyed it more when you could put in a tackle and players weren't falling around the place
You can still tackle?
Ever actually watch a full game from the 90s, most of it was absolutely turgid stuff. I think we look at it through rose tinted glasses sometimes. You forget the mucky pitches, slow play and the fact that almost every goal was scored from 6 yards out.
Give me a De Bruyne or McAllister worldie any day.
No stats for the 90s but can imagine it was similar if not more than the noughties.
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Disagree with red hand, goals today are either scored from inside the box or set pieces. How many iconic goals could you name past 5 years?
90s/00s - Henry vs United, Shearer hitting a screamer every other weekend, Becks halfway goal, Ben Arfas dribble, Bergkamp vs Newcastle, Tony Yeboah, then Gerard had a few goals (West Ham, Olympiakos) Van Persie vs Charlton etc
I don't know what it is but football is a hard watch these days. Don't know if it's because over analysis has taken away from the passion from the game but it's not alwhat is used to be.
Wouldn't even know the FA Cup final is on today. Long gone are the days that BBC use to have 4 or 5 hours of pre-match coverage. If FA Cup winner got a Champion league place than the side finishing 5th in the Premier League it might spice up the competition again.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 17, 2025, 01:23:09 PMWouldn't even know the FA Cup final is on today. Long gone are the days that BBC use to have 4 or 5 hours of pre-match coverage. If FA Cup winner got a Champion league place than the side finishing 5th in the Premier League it might spice up the competition again.
Or have 1 Cup competition instead of 2. The league cup final gets more of a build up . The FA Cup starts when league cup is still on and somd teams focus more on the league cup as it at later stages..
Italy, Spain Germany has just 1 cup comp. The League Cup should be put aside.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 17, 2025, 01:31:26 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 17, 2025, 01:23:09 PMWouldn't even know the FA Cup final is on today. Long gone are the days that BBC use to have 4 or 5 hours of pre-match coverage. If FA Cup winner got a Champion league place than the side finishing 5th in the Premier League it might spice up the competition again.
Or have 1 Cup competition instead of 2. The league cup final gets more of a build up . The FA Cup starts when league cup is still on and somd teams focus more on the league cup as it at later stages..
Italy, Spain Germany has just 1 cup comp. The League Cup should be put aside.
Yeah would probably help along with giving the winner champions league.
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 17, 2025, 01:18:49 PMDisagree with red hand, goals today are either scored from inside the box or set pieces. How many iconic goals could you name past 5 years?
90s/00s - Henry vs United, Shearer hitting a screamer every other weekend, Becks halfway goal, Ben Arfas dribble, Bergkamp vs Newcastle, Tony Yeboah, then Gerard had a few goals (West Ham, Olympiakos) Van Persie vs Charlton etc
I don't know what it is but football is a hard watch these days. Don't know if it's because over analysis has taken away from the passion from the game but it's not alwhat is used to be.
Teams are coached to death
For all of city's success under Pep , I honestly couldn't look at them. Mahrez was brilliant for Leicester, at City, meh. Grealish good to watch at Villa. At City, a robot.
The lack of wingers is another factor. The likes of Kanchelskis, Ginola, mcmanaman etc all good to watch. There's no room for cantona-type flicks either. The game has become sanitised
Arsenal 1 Newcastle 0 and West Ham 1 Nottingham Forest 2 today.
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Last round of fixtures.
Man United v Aston Villa
Newcastle v Everton
Man City v Bournemouth (Tuesday) and Fulham v Man City
Nottingham Forest v Chelsea
All to play for on the last day.
Half time in the championship play off to see who will play in the Premier league next season. Sheffield United 1 Sunderland 0
Result Sheffield United 1 Sunderland 2. A Tom Watson 95th minute winner.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 24, 2025, 04:02:12 PMHalf time in the championship play off to see who will play in the Premier league next.
Sheffield United 1 Sunderland 0
And the championship the following year.
Half times in the race for Champions league spots
Fulham 0 Man City 1
Nottingham Forest 0 Chelsea 0
Man United 0 Aston Villa 0
Newcastle 0 Everton 0
As it stands City 3rd, Newcastle 4th and Chelsea 5th
Silly red card for Martinez big task for villa in second half.
Quote from: statto on May 25, 2025, 04:59:42 PMSilly red card for Martinez big task for villa in second half.
Right on half time It happened I see. Why are Villa so bad today when fighting for a Champions league spot and against United with nothing to play for?
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What an absolute sh1tshow at Anfield. Gravenberch 3 game suspension starting in August.
Newcastle losing as it stands a Villa draw will put them into the champions league.
Results
Fulham 0 Man City 2
Newcastle 0 Everton 1
Man United 2 Aston Villa 0
Nottingham Forest 0 Chelsea 0
Newcastle,Chelsea and City into the champions league
Were Villa robbed?
Quote from: J70 on May 25, 2025, 06:06:24 PMWere Villa robbed?
If noones seen it yet, that Martinez red card was the most blatant and stupid thing I've ever seen. My first thought was match fixing
Quote from: J70 on May 25, 2025, 06:06:24 PMWere Villa robbed?
Red correct call. Debatable call to disallow the Villa goal and then went on to concede two goals after it, the 2-0 win didn't flatter United. To quote lurganblue Villa was "pure muck" and got what they deserved for that performance today.
Didn't watch the game. Only going on the NBC pundit comments regarding the referee blowing the whistle before the ball reached the United net, which meant it couldn't be reviewed. Keeper didn't look to have the ball under control to me.
Martinez red of course blatantly correct.
Why is the chat around Utd? Has there been any chat last day on teams that are soooooo low down the table?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 25, 2025, 06:15:53 PMQuote from: J70 on May 25, 2025, 06:06:24 PMWere Villa robbed?
Red correct call. Debatable call to disallow the Villa goal and then went on to concede two goals after it, the 2-0 win didn't flatter United. To quote lurganblue Villa was "pure muck" and got what they deserved for that performance today.
The sending off was correct although I imagine Villa will say Hojlund's touch was heavy, wide and took him on to his wrong foot going away from goal with two defenders in the area.
The Villa goal was correctly officiated but the wrong decision. The referee made the call and the ball was dead. There was nothing that could be done. It was however horrendous defending and goal keeping
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2025, 06:49:01 PMWhy is the chat around Utd? Has there been any chat last day on teams that are soooooo low down the table?
Because it had a direct impact on who qualified for the CL.
Yes, Villa were robbed. That goal stands and they probably escape with a draw at least. Then again, they were dreadful and the Martinez red was one of the most mental c**k ups I've seen for a good while, so they deserved what they got.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 25, 2025, 06:49:01 PMWhy is the chat around Utd? Has there been any chat last day on teams that are soooooo low down the table?
The chat is about Villa really not Man United.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 25, 2025, 06:15:53 PMQuote from: J70 on May 25, 2025, 06:06:24 PMWere Villa robbed?
Red correct call. Debatable call to disallow the Villa goal and then went on to concede two goals after it, the 2-0 win didn't flatter United. To quote lurganblue Villa was "pure muck" and got what they deserved for that performance today.
Pure muck is 100% correct. I watched that game and it wasn't pleasant from start to finish. Really utd should have scored 7 or 8.
Robbed with that decision of course. Shambolic officiating. Something I have come to expect now.
Villa went on to concede 2. They deserved nothing from that game. I actually could have predicted that they would get nothing from it too from at least a week ago.
Europe League it is, and no doubt a lot of sales coming too. Likely Martinez, Digne, Watkins... maybe Ramsey for pure profit.
Forest no doubt disappointed for not getting Champions League but from 16th last year to Europe is a great achievement.
If Chelsea win the Conference League do Forest move up to Europa League and Brighton get into Conference?
My God there's that many PL teams in the champions league it looks tougher not to be involved.
Quote from: An Watcher on May 26, 2025, 07:57:19 AMMy God there's that many PL teams in the champions league it looks tougher not to be involved.
Yet it's still called the "champions " league.
Just another step closer to a European super league.
Quote from: An Watcher on May 26, 2025, 07:57:19 AMMy God there's that many PL teams in the champions league it looks tougher not to be involved.
9 Premier League teams in Europe next season. It used to be restricted to 7. Think they should go back to that tbh.
Quote from: laoislad on May 26, 2025, 07:10:39 AMForest no doubt disappointed for not getting Champions League but from 16th last year to Europe is a great achievement.
If Chelsea win the Conference League do Forest move up to Europa League and Brighton get into Conference?
Yes i think that is the craic, heard them saying they won't know until Wednesday if England get another European spot but this must be why.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 27, 2025, 02:07:20 PMQuote from: laoislad on May 26, 2025, 07:10:39 AMForest no doubt disappointed for not getting Champions League but from 16th last year to Europe is a great achievement.
If Chelsea win the Conference League do Forest move up to Europa League and Brighton get into Conference?
Yes i think that is the craic, heard them saying they won't know until Wednesday if England get another European spot but this must be why.
Brighton cant qualify. They needed Newcastle or Chelsea to finish 7th apparently. Weird, complex set of affairs but no Brighton in Europe.
Postecoglou sacked.
No surprise that the Aussie Mate is shown the door and looks like his replacement will be a Danish makker.
He's left plenty there to work with, they have the makings of something and he's played a valuable part in that, their goals for column was more than decent, feel he's been a bit unlucky across the piece
Can't understand how they aren't in for Kelleher, their gk is a huge liability
Would have thought winning the clubs first trophy in almost 2 decades would have been enough but not so it seems.
Spurs could be waiting another 20 years before they win anything.
Can see him doing well elsewhere, I like him so hope he does.
34 defeats in their last 66 league games...has to be the correct decision
His first 11 games were extraordinary. Best I've ever seen at Spurs.
But the last 6 months were the worst football I've ever seen and I've seen some awful stuff at spurs.
What we don't know yet and won't know for a year or so is whether the squad isn't as good as it seems, or if they gave up on him.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2025, 09:43:13 PMHis first 11 games were extraordinary. Best I've ever seen at Spurs.
But the last 6 months were the worst football I've ever seen and I've seen some awful stuff at spurs.
What we don't know yet and won't know for a year or so is whether the squad isn't as good as it seems, or if they gave up on him.
Levy paying big bucks for Thomas Frank to buy him out of his current Brentford contract.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 09, 2025, 01:47:20 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2025, 09:43:13 PMHis first 11 games were extraordinary. Best I've ever seen at Spurs.
But the last 6 months were the worst football I've ever seen and I've seen some awful stuff at spurs.
What we don't know yet and won't know for a year or so is whether the squad isn't as good as it seems, or if they gave up on him.
Levy paying big bucks for Thomas Frank to buy him out of his current Brentford contract.
I wonder about teams like Brentford and Brighton. Are they so well setup that most managers will do well anyway? We will soon see with Frank if that's where he lands, because Spurs are a mess (as usual).
Brighton look like it. Brentford won't really have tested that theory.
Frank would be mad to go to spurs. They are a basketcase of a club. (Though if it works out for him it will be some achievement)
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2025, 02:55:08 PMBrighton look like it. Brentford won't really have tested that theory.
Frank would be mad to go to spurs. They are a basketcase of a club. (Though if it works out for him it will be some achievement)
It worked out for Pochettino who has become an extremely wealthy man travelling the world, never quite getting teams to perform to expectations.
That said, it is a conundrum of a football club.
Levy in some ways is a model chairperson as he has never allowed the club to get out of control in terms of income vs expenditure. Which is getting tougher each season as the "middle 8" in the PL no longer need to sell their established players to balance their books, and only sell for ridiculously inflated fees. Whilst the only players of note leaving the top 4-6 are those so wealthy and bemedalled, that they're borderline unemployable - and certainly not prepared for the grind of improving a team. So building a squad requires exceptionally focused scouting. Except if you're reversing your football "philosophy" every 18-24 months, by changing manager, then scouts have as good as no chance. Which is Levy's major failing.
Palace are fighting to keep European dream alive
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c70ngn49jg7o
Frank's possible appointment to Spurs just screams out upper mid table security/mediocrity is our goal. Levy is in the wrong game.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2025, 02:55:08 PMBrighton look like it. Brentford won't really have tested that theory.
Frank would be mad to go to spurs. They are a basketcase of a club. (Though if it works out for him it will be some achievement)
Quote from: lurganblue on June 09, 2025, 02:46:48 PMQuote from: johnnycool on June 09, 2025, 01:47:20 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2025, 09:43:13 PMHis first 11 games were extraordinary. Best I've ever seen at Spurs.
But the last 6 months were the worst football I've ever seen and I've seen some awful stuff at spurs.
What we don't know yet and won't know for a year or so is whether the squad isn't as good as it seems, or if they gave up on him.
Levy paying big bucks for Thomas Frank to buy him out of his current Brentford contract.
I wonder about teams like Brentford and Brighton. Are they so well setup that most managers will do well anyway? We will soon see with Frank if that's where he lands, because Spurs are a mess (as usual).
Brighton tend to go for managers that suit how they want to play. Potter, De Zerbi and their current manager all play that 3421/5212 system. Brentford Franks been with them for 7 years so this will be the first appointment in the prem, Brentford could be one of the teams fighting the drop
After seven years in charge Thomas Frank has left Brentford to become the new Tottenham manager.
I see Kepa Arizabalaga has signed for Arsenal for 5 million. He originally cost Chelsea 71 million. What a mess. Mendy was much better for Chelsea.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 01, 2025, 10:23:37 PMI see Kepa Arizabalaga has signed for Arsenal for 5 million. He originally cost Chelsea 71 million. What a mess. Mendy was much better for Chelsea.
Was solid for Bournemouth last season, very good deal for just £5m.
Don't know what Chelsea's strategy is though, they're just signing players for the sake of it it seems
Chelsea have become a feeder club for Arsenal
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 01, 2025, 10:44:57 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on July 01, 2025, 10:23:37 PMI see Kepa Arizabalaga has signed for Arsenal for 5 million. He originally cost Chelsea 71 million. What a mess. Mendy was much better for Chelsea.
Was solid for Bournemouth last season, very good deal for just £5m.
Don't know what Chelsea's strategy is though, they're just signing players for the sake of it it seems
Just signed Pedro and recently signed Delap. Does Jackson now leave? Nkunku is a cert to go surely.
Quote from: lurganblue on July 02, 2025, 08:29:43 AMQuote from: Mourne Red on July 01, 2025, 10:44:57 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on July 01, 2025, 10:23:37 PMI see Kepa Arizabalaga has signed for Arsenal for 5 million. He originally cost Chelsea 71 million. What a mess. Mendy was much better for Chelsea.
Was solid for Bournemouth last season, very good deal for just £5m.
Don't know what Chelsea's strategy is though, they're just signing players for the sake of it it seems
Just signed Pedro and recently signed Delap. Does Jackson now leave? Nkunku is a cert to go surely.
And the lad Mudryk is banned.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 01, 2025, 10:23:37 PMI see Kepa Arizabalaga has signed for Arsenal for 5 million. He originally cost Chelsea 71 million. What a mess. Mendy was much better for Chelsea.
Bought him for a World Record fee and release clause £5 million very poor from Chelsea. He was decent last year not exactly what Arsenal need but that wouldn't be altogether surprising.
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 01, 2025, 10:44:57 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on July 01, 2025, 10:23:37 PMI see Kepa Arizabalaga has signed for Arsenal for 5 million. He originally cost Chelsea 71 million. What a mess. Mendy was much better for Chelsea.
Was solid for Bournemouth last season, very good deal for just £5m.
Don't know what Chelsea's strategy is though, they're just signing players for the sake of it it seems
Seems to be buy young players in the hope that they can make a profit on them, if they don't work out there be some resale value. If Chelsea end up as a serious side in EPL the only destinations that would be more appealing arguably are the big 2 in Spain so not sure how viable that is longer term.
Only a couple of weeks to go.
Some serious movement of personnel and moolah this summer window. How they go is a complete roll of the dice. Bound to be some serious flops you'd imagine, but where they'll reside and where the success stories will be is anyone's guess. Couldn't even begin to think about top 6. You'd imagine it should be traditional enough and it probably will, but the order is a lottery such is the upheaval in some of the squads. Down the bottom too, some of the survivors have had their squads decimated while some of the new comers have been spending.
Table come October will tell a massive tale.
Any prediction?
Quote from: Look-Up! on July 29, 2025, 07:18:24 PMOnly a couple of weeks to go.
Some serious movement of personnel and moolah this summer window. How they go is a complete roll of the dice. Bound to be some serious flops you'd imagine, but where they'll reside and where the success stories will be is anyone's guess. Couldn't even begin to think about top 6. You'd imagine it should be traditional enough and it probably will, but the order is a lottery such is the upheaval in some of the squads. Down the bottom too, some of the survivors have had their squads decimated while some of the new comers have been spending.
Table come October will tell a massive tale.
Any prediction?
Liverpool or Arsenal winners, head says Liverpool.
Brentford, Burnley and Wolves to get relegated. Reckon Leeds and Sunderland beat the drop.
Amiron gone by October
I said months ago Amorim would be gone by Halloween. But with Kinder Mbeumo and Cunha signed, surely that would improve things, and get a few goals/wins?
Although no signing is guaranteed to work out at united anymore , as we've seen with Sanchez, Di Maria etc. so I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't last that long
Don't give much hope for Sunderland staying up
Liverpool to win title. Arsenal second again
City with Rodri back lads.... different animal
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 29, 2025, 07:45:40 PMI said months ago Amorim would be gone by Halloween. But with Kinder Mbeumo and Cunha signed, surely that would improve things, and get a few goals/wins?
Although no signing is guaranteed to work out at united anymore , as we've seen with Sanchez, Di Maria etc. so I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't last that long
Don't give much hope for Sunderland staying up
Liverpool to win title. Arsenal second again
Needs to sort a new midfield and need a striker. That's 2 good signings but arguably there were other priorities
If Utd can start scoring goals it could just kick start a massive improvement in fortunes but recent history points to calamity and chaos around the corner being the safer bet.
Arsenal have spent good on paper but whether their big money forward is cut out for PL is still to be seen. Was great with Sporting and did well in Championship couple of year ago but this is a different level. Some of their other signings look decent and their youths may come of age, but manager will be under massive scrutiny.
Liverpool have spent crazy money this summer. Looks great on paper, getting it all to gel could be another story.
Chelsea been very busy too. Both on and off the field. Will their start suffer from a summer hangover? Some of their transfer moves could either be just crazy enough to work or put them in serious bother long term. GK move to gunners was another massive financial hit but the WC money will keep the bean counters happy for now.
City don't make many mistakes in the transfer market and look to have made some shrewd signings. But losing a few legends as well. Pep a good man to have at the helm though to make it work.
Wolves look in serious serious bother.
Sunderland have lost a few players, mainly their talismanic Irishman Bellingham the younger and Watson but they didn't have PL experience. They've spent big on said experience and if they land Xhaka it could be a game changer, but it could all go horribly wrong just as easily.
Newcastle a weird one. All the talk of their bottomless pockets hasn't transpired to the transfer market. Looked like a time to build and push their squad on but apart from Elanga, they look parsimonious enough. Plus their main man wants out.
Everton going quietly about their business. New stadium, couple of new signings, interesting to see how they get on. Moyes a very good manager and looks at home there.
A lot of ifs and buts but one thing fairly certain, 30 points will probably be enough for safety. Fairly achievable target and there'll be a good luck story or two but for 3 or 4 clubs it will be a serious struggle..
Newcastle have all the money, but are PSR hamstrung, while city continue to face 115 charges and not a word. Villa will do well to keep the squad that they have, despite the champions league money, they are PSR hamstrung. United can spend away despite being 600m in debt. The system is completely f****d lads.
I think Newcastle will also always face the image/location problem unfortunately. Even their star players will have one eye on greener grass.
Liking Everton's business, plus they had a good end to last season. Moyes slowly getting that house in order.
Quote from: lurganblue on July 30, 2025, 08:54:38 AMNewcastle have all the money, but are PSR hamstrung, while city continue to face 115 charges and not a word. Villa will do well to keep the squad that they have, despite the champions league money, they are PSR hamstrung. United can spend away despite being 600m in debt. The system is completely f****d lads.
I think Newcastle will also always face the image/location problem unfortunately. Even their star players will have one eye on greener grass.
Liking Everton's business, plus they had a good end to last season. Moyes slowly getting that house in order.
Not sure about Everton...
Alcaraz is a good option to have secured long term but they are still light on creative players and need two full backs.
They've just secured a left back but seriously need a right back as Patterson is poor and playing O'Brien there isn't a long term solution even if he did very well there last season.
New striker as well and he'll need to have a better conversion rate than Beto and the departed DCL
Calvert-Lewin has the exact same strike rate as club legend Duncan Ferguson, but because Ferguson nutted a few men he's a hero
He was on the podcast trail there promoting his new book which is just a potted history of him assaulting people
Everton need x y and z, they always will, anyone with any promise will be picked off (or won't find themselves there in the first place), hopefully the new stadium works out OK and becomes a bit of a fortress, 10th or above would be an outstanding season, wouldn't put it past Moyes
Amorim has the exact same W-D-L stats at Christian Gross at Tottenham, he need to come flying out the gate now in the first 10 games or he'll go the same way as his predecessor, the time for shite talk is over, personally I think its highly improbable to achieve anything of note with the Sir Jim-Wilcox brains trust, Utd have regressed to their natural pre-Fergie level, cup team with notions
Liverpool will walk league again next year. Man City in transition. Arsenal and Chelsea shit the bed when going gets tough.
Man U could be relegated.
I'm not sure on Liverpool. A lot of change there, looks exciting on paper but doesn't always translate. Could be vulnerable defensively.
Think Arsenal will struggle for goals again despite signings. Fall shy of 80 points.
Think City will go well enough. I think Chelsea have a great squad if they settle.
No way Man Utd get relegated. 30 points will be enough and there's too many other clubs are going to really struggle up front. But if I had to bet on them, it'd be for managerial upheaval again.
This time of year was always interesting for transfer rumours and new signings. Now I haven't a clue who 90% of new PL signings are.
I can't get excited about the new season at all . Granted, that's partly down to me following United .
I miss the 1990's.
Quote from: Look-Up! on July 30, 2025, 08:02:10 PMI'm not sure on Liverpool. A lot of change there, looks exciting on paper but doesn't always translate. Could be vulnerable defensively.
Think Arsenal will struggle for goals again despite signings. Fall shy of 80 points.
Think City will go well enough. I think Chelsea have a great squad if they settle.
No way Man Utd get relegated. 30 points will be enough and there's too many other clubs are going to really struggle up front. But if I had to bet on them, it'd be for managerial upheaval again.
I just said the exact same thing earlier today.
Liverpool could find it hard to keep all their players happy.
Incredible squad no doubt but Isak will want to play every game if signed.
Newcastle seem to be taking an absolute pasting in their attempts to improve their squad. Apart from Elanga, their main targets are going to Liverpool, Spurs and even United. Plus they could be losing their star. Champions League football appears to have not helped them at all.
Quote from: lurganblue on August 06, 2025, 03:23:32 PMNewcastle seem to be taking an absolute pasting in their attempts to improve their squad. Apart from Elanga, their main targets are going to Liverpool, Spurs and even United. Plus they could be losing their star. Champions League football appears to have not helped them at all.
Listened to something the other day on a pod cast and it seems they are having difficulty in selling, living in the area to potential signings. London has the biggest draw in terms of a place live, with United still being able to compete with their profile.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 30, 2025, 11:41:45 PMQuote from: Look-Up! on July 30, 2025, 08:02:10 PMI'm not sure on Liverpool. A lot of change there, looks exciting on paper but doesn't always translate. Could be vulnerable defensively.
Think Arsenal will struggle for goals again despite signings. Fall shy of 80 points.
Think City will go well enough. I think Chelsea have a great squad if they settle.
No way Man Utd get relegated. 30 points will be enough and there's too many other clubs are going to really struggle up front. But if I had to bet on them, it'd be for managerial upheaval again.
I just said the exact same thing earlier today.
Liverpool could find it hard to keep all their players happy.
Incredible squad no doubt but Isak will want to play every game if signed.
Last year they had Diaz, Gakpo, Nunez, Jota, Salah, Chiesa and Elliot who could operate in front three roles.
Ekitike has came in Diaz and Jota(rip) of the regular starters not going to be there and a few more likely to leave of the above. So they are probably still a little short there.
A new left back was required as Robertson looks to be ageing and TAA and a replacement was also required.
They have been doing business in areas that needed reinforced. They seem to have learned from a few years ago when didn't reinforce an ageing midfield.
New thread or at least update the thread heading.
Are City in bad shape still? Their defence was looking its age last year and exposed without Rodri.
I know he is class but Christ one man can't plug all those gaps with the other midfielders no spring chickens.
They have flashy lads out wise and Haaland will bang them in, but they don't seem to be shoring things up.
Liverpool's business has been top class, even without Isak. If Arsenal's #9 can do the business they won't rely on Saka so much. They also have Zubimendi and Merino to let Rice push on more.
I know it was Club WC, but Chelsea destroyed PSG and if they settle are another serious outfit.
It may have been Club WC, but it was a full PSG team who were trying to win the thing. Chelsea will absolutely be a force.
Quote from: gallsman on August 06, 2025, 06:46:55 PMIt may have been Club WC, but it was a full PSG team who were trying to win the thing. Chelsea will absolutely be a force.
Yeah, but you'd have to wonder about how mentally tired PSG were going in this.
They had torched everyone up to that point.
Quote from: gallsman on August 07, 2025, 12:24:06 PMThey had torched everyone up to that point.
Fair enough - I paid little or no attention to the Club WC.
Only a pre-season friendly, but I thought Liverpool were exciting to watch v Athletic.
I can see them hammering a few sides this year.
Everything you see of Wirtz and his interviews he just seems a class act.
Sesko inbound for United but they still need legs in the middle and a keeper.
Rodri out until mid Sept
Sesko in for Utd. Similar trajectory to Hojlund in learning their trade in Austrian league, think he's actually a little younger too. But they'll be hoping he's a huge upgrade. In fairness to Hojlund, being dropped in it as the main man at Utd was too much too soon. Huge pressure and step up for the Slovenian but those extra couple of seasons at Leipzig should be a massive help.
Newcastle finding it tough to attract players despite CL participation. PSR rules mean they can't spend their money, which talks loudest end of the day. Isak acting up big time too, looks to be doing his best to burn bridges. Buyer beware. Could be a tough league season for their squad and manager especially with CL commitments.
Huge day for Utd ex Henderson in Wembley. Liverpool be hardly too disappointed, lots of quality there but may take time to gel.
First few weeks will be interesting and lots still to happen with transfers too.
Quote from: Look-Up! on August 10, 2025, 05:47:58 PMSesko in for Utd. Similar trajectory to Hojlund in learning their trade in Austrian league, think he's actually a little younger too. But they'll be hoping he's a huge upgrade. In fairness to Hojlund, being dropped in it as the main man at Utd was too much too soon. Huge pressure and step up for the Slovenian but those extra couple of seasons at Leipzig should be a massive help.
Newcastle finding it tough to attract players despite CL participation. PSR rules mean they can't spend their money, which talks loudest end of the day. Isak acting up big time too, looks to be doing his best to burn bridges. Buyer beware. Could be a tough league season for their squad and manager especially with CL commitments.
Huge day for Utd ex Henderson in Wembley. Liverpool be hardly too disappointed, lots of quality there but may take time to gel.
First few weeks will be interesting and lots still to happen with transfers too.
Newcastle wealthy club however don't seem to have the smartest people over transfers? Meanwhile other wealthy clubs Chelsea,Manchester City find loopholes as they continue to spend big.
Didn't even know the Charity Shield was on today or whatever it's called now.
New signings might improve on what was uninteresting Premier league campaign last season that had no title or relegation race.
big Calves Grealish making his way the Merseyside blues..
Everton must have destroyed their pay structures to secure him, even if it is on loan.
I hope he comes good there. He'll certainly get more gametime at Everton with Ndiaye going more central hopefully.
Now get that Southampton lad Dibling in as well.
Ruined by Pep, will never be the same marauding maverick he was at Villa, was top class for a good while, England in their wisdom overlooked him at his best and picked him at his most mundane, go figure
Jack Grealish on a loan deal with £50m buy option clause.
It's sad that he (and Rice) did not stick with Ireland. But naturally their agent got in their ear.
Once he left the Ireland set-up - There was never going to be much caring about his football career for me.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 12, 2025, 06:51:34 PMIt's sad that he (and Rice) did not stick with Ireland. But naturally their agent got in their ear.
Once he left the Ireland set-up - There was never going to be much caring about his football career for me.
Seems to be one of the few footballers with personality, obviously still bitter that he chose England over us, but I wish him well. Pep killed his career.
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 12, 2025, 10:18:52 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on August 12, 2025, 06:51:34 PMIt's sad that he (and Rice) did not stick with Ireland. But naturally their agent got in their ear.
Once he left the Ireland set-up - There was never going to be much caring about his football career for me.
Seems to be one of the few footballers with personality, obviously still bitter that he chose England over us, but I wish him well. Pep killed his career.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 12, 2025, 10:41:00 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 12, 2025, 10:18:52 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on August 12, 2025, 06:51:34 PMIt's sad that he (and Rice) did not stick with Ireland. But naturally their agent got in their ear.
Once he left the Ireland set-up - There was never going to be much caring about his football career for me.
Seems to be one of the few footballers with personality, obviously still bitter that he chose England over us, but I wish him well. Pep killed his career.
He always seemed like a good cub. He has a sister with cerebral palsy.
I think it is a great move for Everton, they are getting a player who will be hungry to play and prove himself ahead of a world cup.
I would imagine that City are covering most of the wages and with no pressure to go through with the deal at the end of the loan.
I would think this probably scuppers the deal for the young lad from Southampton though as they are very similar players.
Grealish at Villa was one of the best things about football.
Will he have the energy / interest to regain most of that level and become a man to build a team around? It's doubtful, but I really hope he does well.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 13, 2025, 09:28:30 AMGrealish at Villa was one of the best things about football.
Will he have the energy / interest to regain most of that level and become a man to build a team around? It's doubtful, but I really hope he does well.
Going to a good manager who should be able to get the best out of him if he can stay fit.
Doubt Moyes will play him in the marauding playmaker role he had at Villa, expect Moyes to put him on the left wing to cut in as he did at City as Moyes tries to evolve Everton to a possession team
Quote from: tiempo on August 13, 2025, 10:33:53 AMDoubt Moyes will play him in the marauding playmaker role he had at Villa, expect Moyes to put him on the left wing to cut in as he did at City as Moyes tries to evolve Everton to a possession team
Everton's best player , N'Diaye, plays on the left. I expect Moyes will play Grealish as a 10.
Quote from: shark on August 13, 2025, 11:06:41 AMQuote from: tiempo on August 13, 2025, 10:33:53 AMDoubt Moyes will play him in the marauding playmaker role he had at Villa, expect Moyes to put him on the left wing to cut in as he did at City as Moyes tries to evolve Everton to a possession team
Everton's best player , N'Diaye, plays on the left. I expect Moyes will play Grealish as a 10.
Allegedly N'Diaye plays on the right for Senegal, so that'll work fine although N'Diaye has also played in the middle, just off the striker for Everton also.
I know he is a serious shot-stopper but the Donnaruma to City chat doesn't make huge sense in terms of what Pep wants. And I said it a while back on this thread their defence is lacking pace, especially in the middle.
Just Dias, Stone and more are fond of an injury too. Maybe I missed some incomings but they don't seem to be doing much business there.
Akanji Ake some Khunsov (sp) from Xmas window, gvardiol, how many more you think they need?
City are currently below Man united in the table.
There's a newer thread redhand but yeah wasn't expecting this
Arsenals to lose 😉
Pep will be gone before season is out.
Saka out for Arsenal should ensure Liverpool win.
Arsenal usually shite the bed against top teams anyway. Don't see changing this year.
With Isak on board for pool league will be over before Christmas.
Sky Sports will have a job again markering a title for one horse race.
Quote from: Dun Eile on August 31, 2025, 04:29:52 PMPep will be gone before season is out.
Saka out for Arsenal should ensure Liverpool win.
Arsenal usually shite the bed against top teams anyway. Don't see changing this year.
With Isak on board for pool league will be over before Christmas.
Sky Sports will have a job again markering a title for one horse race.
Arsenal shite the bed versus top teams???? When last time they lost a game versus the top six?
Arsenal to win this. Wirtz is awful once again, ekiteke is a one-paced presser and McAllister has been very very poor.
The quality of both teams on the ball has been poor. They're so adept at the physical stuff but shite with the ball compared to some of the really enjoyable footballing sides.
Quote from: trileacman on August 31, 2025, 04:58:13 PMArsenal to win this. Wirtz is awful once again, ekiteke is a one-paced presser and McAllister has been very very poor.
The quality of both teams on the ball has been poor. They're so adept at the physical stuff but shite with the ball compared to some of the really enjoyable footballing sides.
These teams have scored 13 goals in the first 2 weeks.
1st half of Liverpool v Arsenal was boring 2nd half has to improve surely?
VVD would cost your GAA club around about 20 points a game!
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 31, 2025, 05:07:59 PMQuote from: trileacman on August 31, 2025, 04:58:13 PMArsenal to win this. Wirtz is awful once again, ekiteke is a one-paced presser and McAllister has been very very poor.
The quality of both teams on the ball has been poor. They're so adept at the physical stuff but shite with the ball compared to some of the really enjoyable footballing sides.
These teams have scored 13 goals in the first 2 weeks.
XG from play in the first half was 0.28 or if you want it in old money, A single shot on target from the PL 2 best and biggest spending sides.
League is over. Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and Tottenham dropped points already.
Arsenal are fart and no dung. Great hammering minnows when 2/3 up and fire blanks in tight games.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 31, 2025, 04:13:05 PMThere's a newer thread redhand but yeah wasn't expecting this
Nobody listening to you fella
Quote from: gawa316 on August 31, 2025, 07:19:29 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 31, 2025, 04:13:05 PMThere's a newer thread redhand but yeah wasn't expecting this
Nobody listening to you fella
Who says tinternet isnt real life 🤭
Quote from: Dun Eile on August 31, 2025, 04:29:52 PMPep will be gone before season is out.
Saka out for Arsenal should ensure Liverpool win.
Arsenal usually shite the bed against top teams anyway. Don't see changing this year.
With Isak on board for pool league will be over before Christmas.
Sky Sports will have a job again markering a title for one horse race.
Think I've read that on this forum since 2016
It'll be correct one year.
Quote from: maldini on August 31, 2025, 11:07:21 PMQuote from: Dun Eile on August 31, 2025, 04:29:52 PMPep will be gone before season is out.
Saka out for Arsenal should ensure Liverpool win.
Arsenal usually shite the bed against top teams anyway. Don't see changing this year.
With Isak on board for pool league will be over before Christmas.
Sky Sports will have a job again markering a title for one horse race.
Think I've read that on this forum since 2016
It'll be correct one year.
Lost mojo since Klopp gone. Slot a far superior manager than Klopp.
Liverpool play a more cautious and well drilled team now to win leagues.
Klopp team easier on the eye but soccer in general has become sterile. Like GAA every team play same way. Few sides play with flair.
Quote from: Dun Eile on September 02, 2025, 06:06:00 AMQuote from: maldini on August 31, 2025, 11:07:21 PMQuote from: Dun Eile on August 31, 2025, 04:29:52 PMPep will be gone before season is out.
Saka out for Arsenal should ensure Liverpool win.
Arsenal usually shite the bed against top teams anyway. Don't see changing this year.
With Isak on board for pool league will be over before Christmas.
Sky Sports will have a job again markering a title for one horse race.
Think I've read that on this forum since 2016
It'll be correct one year.
Lost mojo since Klopp gone. Slot a far superior manager than Klopp.
Liverpool play a more cautious and well drilled team now to win leagues.
Klopp team easier on the eye but soccer in general has become sterile. Like GAA every team play same way. Few sides play with flair.
Yes could do with Jim Gavin to enhance the rules a bit
Quote from: u on August 31, 2025, 04:29:52 PMPep will be gone before season is out.
Saka out for Arsenal should ensure Liverpool win.
Arsenal usually shite the bed against top teams anyway. Don't see changing this year.
With Isak on board for pool league will be over before Christmas.
Sky Sports will have a job again markering a title for one horse race.
Bumped for laughs
I don't understand the controversy over the Robertson offside for the disallowed goal.
Surely the fact Robertson is in the path the ball is travelling means Donnarumma potentially won't fully commit 100% because Robertson could potentially head it himself and change the trajectory of the ball.
Donnarumma doesn't know Robertson is in an offside position and has to act accordingly.
Donnarumma may not save it anyways but Robertson is clearly interfering with play and goal should be chalked off.
I had to break a long silence and say yours is the best argument I've seen in favour of the VAR decision. I was appalled at the VAR call (albeit it was immaterial to the game overall imo). But I can see what you're saying. Who knows what Donnarumma would have done if Robertson hadn't ducked.
Quote from: MasterShake on November 10, 2025, 05:28:04 AMI had to break a long silence and say yours is the best argument I've seen in favour of the VAR decision. I was appalled at the VAR call (albeit it was immaterial to the game overall imo). But I can see what you're saying. Who knows what Donnarumma would have done if Robertson hadn't ducked.
I know what he would have done. He'd have continued his full stretch dive to his left corner in a vain attempt to try to save a header he had absolutely no chance of saving.
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The only valid argument for disallowing this goal is that if referees and PGMOL are consistent with how the do this, then it'll help encourage players not to loiter in offside positions and over time should mean they rarely if ever have to have this conversation.
But it's referees and PGMOL and next week they'll "interpret" it differently, especially if it's a mid table side on the receiving end.
So Liverpool had the league won in September, Arsenal had it won in October and now City have it won in November. Experts eh!
I do think it was the correct decision. Ducking under the ball is much the same as dummying it through your legs without actually touching it. It does cause interference for the keeper. The problem is that the next week, the same goal will be given.
I dont go for this nonsense either that Liverpool were second best anyway and it didn't really matter that it was disallowed. If they'd have got to half time all square it could have given them a lift
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on November 10, 2025, 10:36:02 AMSo Liverpool had the league won in September, Arsenal had it won in October and now City have it won in November. Experts eh!
It's called making a story to build you up. And then a story when you fall down.