That ball from Peter duggan for Clare's first goal was something else.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 04, 2024, 03:11:48 PMThat ball from Peter duggan for Clare's first goal was something else.
Was decent game, the Kilkenny Wexford game (on Twitter at least) looked good
Antrim had a strong 25 minutes against Limerick! Hiding now
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 04, 2024, 03:11:48 PMThat ball from Peter duggan for Clare's first goal was something else.
That was David Fitzgerald....
;D I realised this when I watched it back.
Usually want to see the antrim games on tv but not that one. Going to be a tough year.
Some sideline pass on Saturday by Tipp's O'Meara (iirc).
Unreal pass on a patchy enough pitch.
Quote from: didlyi on February 05, 2024, 10:46:19 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 04, 2024, 03:11:48 PMThat ball from Peter duggan for Clare's first goal was something else.
That was David Fitzgerald....
Early days but Cork still haven't resolved their issues of a ball winner in their forwards, granted Barrett made a difference when he came on, but for the most part the Clare backs weren't too phased by the Cork forwards even with a few first teamers missing.
Wexford hopefully will be the dark horses this year with Rossiter in charge. They've a good few talented players in their ranks, hopefully a more ambitious gameplan and key lads avoiding injury could see them give the Leinster championship a good rattle to challenge the Kilkenny, Galway hegemony.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 05, 2024, 04:02:26 PMQuote from: didlyi on February 05, 2024, 10:46:19 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 04, 2024, 03:11:48 PMThat ball from Peter duggan for Clare's first goal was something else.
That was David Fitzgerald....
Early days but Cork still haven't resolved their issues of a ball winner in their forwards, granted Barrett made a difference when he came on, but for the most part the Clare backs weren't too phased by the Cork forwards even with a few first teamers missing.
Wexford hopefully will be the dark horses this year with Rossiter in charge. They've a good few talented players in their ranks, hopefully a more ambitious gameplan and key lads avoiding injury could see them give the Leinster championship a good rattle to challenge the Kilkenny, Galway hegemony.
Issue is Pat Horgan and Conor Lehane are still starting these days. Probably a few others of the older guard are still there.
In anything, these lads should be rested until the drier sod and the sun is higher in the sky. Time to blood new lads in the league and let them get at it.
I get what your are saying but its been very hard for Cork to replace the likes of Horgan, the man weighs in with 10 or more points (granted a lot are frees) but to an extent he wins a few of them himself and he's been their best target man.
I think its difficult to just 'save' players and hope they find their form coming the drier sod, Cork, traditionally should be performing better with the pick of players they have to choose from over other counties, that's their biggest issue.
I enjoyed yesterdays game and Clare showing they have plenty of depth too, to their squad, its sustaining a run of wins to win Liam in the Championship that they are falling down on, and Limerick ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2024, 11:34:28 AMI get what your are saying but its been very hard for Cork to replace the likes of Horgan, the man weighs in with 10 or more points (granted a lot are frees) but to an extent he wins a few of them himself and he's been their best target man.
I think its difficult to just 'save' players and hope they find their form coming the drier sod, Cork, traditionally should be performing better with the pick of players they have to choose from over other counties, that's their biggest issue.
I enjoyed yesterdays game and Clare showing they have plenty of depth too, to their squad, its sustaining a run of wins to win Liam in the Championship that they are falling down on, and Limerick ;)
Horgan hasn't been a threat from play in a few years now. He's got his standard move of running around the back of a Cork player in possession to take the pass and tap over the bar.
Cork need a serious goal getter in there and it's no longer Horgan.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 06, 2024, 01:53:28 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2024, 11:34:28 AMI get what your are saying but its been very hard for Cork to replace the likes of Horgan, the man weighs in with 10 or more points (granted a lot are frees) but to an extent he wins a few of them himself and he's been their best target man.
I think its difficult to just 'save' players and hope they find their form coming the drier sod, Cork, traditionally should be performing better with the pick of players they have to choose from over other counties, that's their biggest issue.
I enjoyed yesterdays game and Clare showing they have plenty of depth too, to their squad, its sustaining a run of wins to win Liam in the Championship that they are falling down on, and Limerick ;)
Horgan hasn't been a threat from play in a few years now. He's got his standard move of running around the back of a Cork player in possession to take the pass and tap over the bar.
Cork need a serious goal getter in there and it's no longer Horgan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV9ccAYnnPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZBtyjWvXj0
Quote from: johnnycool on February 06, 2024, 01:53:28 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2024, 11:34:28 AMI get what your are saying but its been very hard for Cork to replace the likes of Horgan, the man weighs in with 10 or more points (granted a lot are frees) but to an extent he wins a few of them himself and he's been their best target man.
I think its difficult to just 'save' players and hope they find their form coming the drier sod, Cork, traditionally should be performing better with the pick of players they have to choose from over other counties, that's their biggest issue.
I enjoyed yesterdays game and Clare showing they have plenty of depth too, to their squad, its sustaining a run of wins to win Liam in the Championship that they are falling down on, and Limerick ;)
Horgan hasn't been a threat from play in a few years now. He's got his standard move of running around the back of a Cork player in possession to take the pass and tap over the bar.
Cork need a serious goal getter in there and it's no longer Horgan.
Declan Dalton could be an option but I think he's currently injured.
Plus he's good on the frees.
Just saying hard to see any development with players if Lehane and Horgan starting in the first league game.
Will Tipp be able to challenge Limerick munster this year ?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2024/0206/1430856-big-guns-face-big-questions-in-the-league-this-weekend/
We thought this league might deliver more than last year in terms of more meaningful games and it's so far so good.
There was a great battle in Nowlan Park with honours even at the end, a good showing from Tipp and Clare and Limerick just being Limerick.
What a nice way to start this campaign for the All-Ireland champions, not much limelight, took care of Antrim, will do similarly against Westmeath at the weekend getting business done without too much outside focus.
It's ideal preparation for the team trying to make history this year, because when the limelight comes on them, it probably won't go off until the year is over. Such is the joy of being the best team in the country, everybody wants to nitpick every minute detail of them.
Being in 1B is an easier road to try and secure that Division 1A status in 2025. Realistically if they beat Dublin it's a done deal for Limerick and Galway. Tipp have that box ticked already and should now be safe to secure one of those top three spots so how will they approach the rest of this league now?
On Sunday at 3.45pm in Semple Stadium, Eamon O'Shea will try do something for the first time, coach a team to beat Tipperary. There is nothing but respect for him in Tipp and we'd all love to see things go well for him with Galway but not at Tipp's cost.
Will Cahill go for this and send out another message after their impressive performance against the Dubs in Parnell Park?
The learnings from previous seasons will have to be to make sure there is enough in the tank to compete at the business end of the year, and I think the panel is stronger and better equipped this year to do just that.
Tipperary turned on the style against Dublin
There is a wider spread of players to choose from and I'm sure someone will be getting the tap on the shoulder at training this week to say here's your chance now, against a top team, at home and in front of what should be a big crowd. Take this chance, prove you can mix it with the best because if it's left to the Antrim and Westmeath games to get your chance it's hard to see how the trust can be there for the battlefield that is the Munster Championship.
Whoever gets their chance this Sunday, I hope they grab it with both hands. I like what Tipp are about, I like the look of competition within the group and some young guns putting up their hands now saying I want that jersey.
I really thought Cork would hop off this league campaign but if they don't get something against Kilkenny on Saturday night by the banks of the Lee their campaign could be over before it has begun. It's a massive game for Cork, it's a game that will show us just how badly they want to progress in this league.
Kilkenny will be Kilkenny and give it their all. Nine of the starting XV from the All-Ireland final last year did not even feature last Sunday. I'd imagine we will see a few of those guys in action this Saturday night.
But what Cork team will we see Saturday night? The Cork that like a nice game of hurling - you score, we score and we'll see how it ends up - or a Cork team that are going to send out a message to say last year we were close, this year we'll be better and we want to give this league a serious rattle?
Cork need to step up their approach in my opinion. You can't just canter through these games and hope it will all click come championship.
There are games in the league that teams need to go after, that they need to win to create that buzz in training, to create momentum for the group, Saturday night against Kilkenny in their newly named home ground is one such game for Pat Ryan's men.
A win for the Banner men on Sunday would almost guarantee them safety as they will view the Offaly game as a gimme for them.
Pre-game last Sunday you'd have worried for a Clare team without their greatest ever in Tony Kelly, John Conlon and Shane O'Donnell but Mark Rodgers looks to be relishing the burden of expectation and there will be lots of help for him all around the field.
Clare have the hurlers, the physicality, the class to mix it with any team. My concern for them is that while they put up big scores on a regular basis, they also concede big scores.
In last year's Munster Championship, they conceded on average 28 points per game. Against a poor Cork performance for the majority of that game last Sunday they gave up 2-19.
Where's the issue here? Is it poor defending? Is it the lack of pressure on the quality of ball being delivered in, players not tracking the runners? I'm not sure but in terms of defenders they have some of the best in the likes of Conor Cleary, Adam Hogan, Paul Flanagan, Diarmuid Ryan, David McInerney and John Conlon to name a few.
Clare have questions to answer
I'm sure if these high scores keep getting shipped it's an area they will have to look at to see what is the best resolution because I feel Clare need a cup on the table this year to justify just how good this group are but conceding 28 points per game could be a major factor in preventing them doing so.
Inter-county hurling action is back and the crowds are talking with their feet.
It's been a great start to be fair, more of the same this weekend please before hurling takes a break next weekend with some teams knowing we've done all we can and others wondering what are we going to do now with nothing to show from two games. Panic stations – not at all but it will leave these groups with more questions than answers.
Cork have finally realised you need to tackle...
Great second half... Kilkenny turned off and Cork just found a spark...
You can't give teams leads like that and expect to pull the rabbit out of the hat at the end..
It's all flashes of quality here and there with Cork and absolutely no consistency. Hard to see them having enough to finish above Limerick, Clare, Tipp in Munster. And we know how that will go down for the 2nd year in a row with the public down there
Good match so far between Antrim and Dublin with the wind favouring Antrim in the second half
Galway have had a decent spell coming up to half time.
Just the 12 steps I counted for the Waterford goal v Clare ;)
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 11, 2024, 07:53:54 PMJust the 12 steps I counted for the Waterford goal v Clare ;)
The ref couldn't see if he tapped the ball on the stick or not, cos he was facing away and had a big Clare mullocker on his back.
Donal Óg gets ten monologues a year written into his contract? It's so painfully set up and the man does not give a flyin' f**k about Ulster Hurling.
He was on one about the split season and then when a Westmeath player said he loved it...there was nothing said. I'd be more keen to hear from the likes of the Louth Captain who was on last night.
But, hurling folk are more precious than rugby people. If you don't scream hurling is the best game ever then they have an issue. Maybe some people don't like it. Maybe kids, even the ones who start young simply do not enjoy it as much as other sports...that's just a thought mind.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 12, 2024, 11:32:48 AMDonal Óg gets ten monologues a year written into his contract? It's so painfully set up and the man does not give a flyin' f**k about Ulster Hurling.
He was on one about the split season and then when a Westmeath player said he loved it...there was nothing said. I'd be more keen to hear from the likes of the Louth Captain who was on last night.
But, hurling folk are more precious than rugby people. If you don't scream hurling is the best game ever then they have an issue. Maybe some people don't like it. Maybe kids, even the ones who start young simply do not enjoy it as much as other sports...that's just a thought mind.
he spoke really well last night, GAA really need to help the smaller hurling counties as he said not just pay them lip service
I agree, but the likes of Donal Óg and the other lads do pay lip service. Then if the sacred cow of MUNSTER HURLING!!! gets slighted or not lauded enough then he goes nuclear.
The same lad had a needless diog at the Tailteann Cup last year and I reckon plenty like him don't respect hurling outside the big lads.
It's a strange one where they moan about hurling not growing but then it's a massive issue if any of the Liam McCarthy lads' funds go to help weaker counties.
I do tend to say the real hurling men are the ones who are plugging away in the trenches.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 12, 2024, 11:32:48 AMDonal Óg gets ten monologues a year written into his contract? It's so painfully set up and the man does not give a flyin' f**k about Ulster Hurling.
He was on one about the split season and then when a Westmeath player said he loved it...there was nothing said. I'd be more keen to hear from the likes of the Louth Captain who was on last night.
But, hurling folk are more precious than rugby people. If you don't scream hurling is the best game ever then they have an issue. Maybe some people don't like it. Maybe kids, even the ones who start young simply do not enjoy it as much as other sports...that's just a thought mind.
His rant before the Cork v Kilkenny game was something to behold.
He was giving out that Croke Park allowed Cork to proceed with the renovations to SuperValue Pairc and this was a millstone around Cork GAA, you really couldn't make it up.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1756410086505754770 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1756410086505754770)
Quote from: Gallybander on February 11, 2024, 10:03:24 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on February 11, 2024, 07:53:54 PMJust the 12 steps I counted for the Waterford goal v Clare ;)
The ref couldn't see if he tapped the ball on the stick or not, cos he was facing away and had a big Clare mullocker on his back.
;D
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 12, 2024, 11:32:48 AMDonal Óg gets ten monologues a year written into his contract? It's so painfully set up and the man does not give a flyin' f**k about Ulster Hurling.
He was on one about the split season and then when a Westmeath player said he loved it...there was nothing said. I'd be more keen to hear from the likes of the Louth Captain who was on last night.
But, hurling folk are more precious than rugby people. If you don't scream hurling is the best game ever then they have an issue. Maybe some people don't like it. Maybe kids, even the ones who start young simply do not enjoy it as much as other sports...that's just a thought mind.
Not all hurling people are.
Donal Og is a dose talking about the sacred Munster hurling championship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peAFdYkxbVo&t=281s
The longest period Cork went without winning an all Ireland used to be 1903-19 or 16 years.
For Kilkenny the longest period was 1922-32 and 1947-57 or 10 years.
Cork's Last all Ireland was 2005 so this year is year 19
Kilkenny's last all Ireland was 2015 so this year is year 10.
#Jaysus
Who introduced the short hurls to the game? It seems to have happened between the 2020 all ireland and the 2021 final. Was it Limerick ?
2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qRfeHtqpxw
2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0rzgUeFv4Y
Quote from: seafoid on February 16, 2024, 05:21:05 PMWho introduced the short hurls to the game? It seems to have happened between the 2020 all ireland and the 2021 final. Was it Limerick ?
2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qRfeHtqpxw
2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0rzgUeFv4Y
Marty Mallon in Down was playing with a 32" hurl in the 90's. Everyone else was hammering away with 36 and 37" hurls at that time.
What is the future of hurling ?
20 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Sz3ZjcJ1To
Kyle Hayes starts for Limerick against the Dubs this weekend, a month before his sentencing trial...
Do Limerick know something the rest of us don't?
Quote from: johnnycool on February 23, 2024, 08:43:28 AMKyle Hayes starts for Limerick against the Dubs this weekend, a month before his sentencing trial...
Do Limerick know something the rest of us don't?
I wouldn't read too much into it. It's just John Kiely trying to create a siege mentality from within and he is firmly backing his player. Rightly or wrongly but he's stuck his neck on the block for Hayes.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 23, 2024, 10:47:08 AMQuote from: johnnycool on February 23, 2024, 08:43:28 AMKyle Hayes starts for Limerick against the Dubs this weekend, a month before his sentencing trial...
Do Limerick know something the rest of us don't?
I wouldn't read too much into it. It's just John Kiely trying to create a siege mentality from within and he is firmly backing his player. Rightly or wrongly but he's stuck his neck on the block for Hayes.
Probably wrongly
Quote from: seafoid on February 23, 2024, 01:11:52 PMQuote from: yellowcard on February 23, 2024, 10:47:08 AMQuote from: johnnycool on February 23, 2024, 08:43:28 AMKyle Hayes starts for Limerick against the Dubs this weekend, a month before his sentencing trial...
Do Limerick know something the rest of us don't?
I wouldn't read too much into it. It's just John Kiely trying to create a siege mentality from within and he is firmly backing his player. Rightly or wrongly but he's stuck his neck on the block for Hayes.
Probably wrongly
Many will hold that view but Kiely either believes in his innocence or he has decided to completely ignore any off the field misconduct because he sees Hayes' value to this Limerick team as being greater than any moralistic standpojnt.
If Hayes was a fringe player I'm not sure he would have thought it worth the media scrutiny of deciding to play him in a League game in February. If Hayes walks free an innocent man and helps Limerick create history to win 5 in a row Kiely will feel vindicated in standing by his player.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 23, 2024, 02:30:18 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 23, 2024, 01:11:52 PMQuote from: yellowcard on February 23, 2024, 10:47:08 AMQuote from: johnnycool on February 23, 2024, 08:43:28 AMKyle Hayes starts for Limerick against the Dubs this weekend, a month before his sentencing trial...
Do Limerick know something the rest of us don't?
I wouldn't read too much into it. It's just John Kiely trying to create a siege mentality from within and he is firmly backing his player. Rightly or wrongly but he's stuck his neck on the block for Hayes.
Probably wrongly
Many will hold that view but Kiely either believes in his innocence or he has decided to completely ignore any off the field misconduct because he sees Hayes' value to this Limerick team as being greater than any moralistic standpojnt.
If Hayes was a fringe player I'm not sure he would have thought it worth the media scrutiny of deciding to play him in a League game in February. If Hayes walks free an innocent man and helps Limerick create history to win 5 in a row Kiely will feel vindicated in standing by his player.
He's been found guilty of violent disorder in a court of law, Kiely can believe all he likes, but that's the fact. All we're waiting on is his sentencing
Quote from: johnnycool on February 23, 2024, 04:09:07 PMQuote from: yellowcard on February 23, 2024, 02:30:18 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 23, 2024, 01:11:52 PMQuote from: yellowcard on February 23, 2024, 10:47:08 AMQuote from: johnnycool on February 23, 2024, 08:43:28 AMKyle Hayes starts for Limerick against the Dubs this weekend, a month before his sentencing trial...
Do Limerick know something the rest of us don't?
I wouldn't read too much into it. It's just John Kiely trying to create a siege mentality from within and he is firmly backing his player. Rightly or wrongly but he's stuck his neck on the block for Hayes.
Probably wrongly
Many will hold that view but Kiely either believes in his innocence or he has decided to completely ignore any off the field misconduct because he sees Hayes' value to this Limerick team as being greater than any moralistic standpojnt.
If Hayes was a fringe player I'm not sure he would have thought it worth the media scrutiny of deciding to play him in a League game in February. If Hayes walks free an innocent man and helps Limerick create history to win 5 in a row Kiely will feel vindicated in standing by his player.
He's been found guilty of violent disorder in a court of law, Kiely can believe all he likes, but that's the fact. All we're waiting on is his sentencing
It's not a good look for Kiely at all.
Quote from: johnnycool on February 19, 2024, 09:31:39 AMQuote from: seafoid on February 16, 2024, 05:21:05 PMWho introduced the short hurls to the game? It seems to have happened between the 2020 all ireland and the 2021 final. Was it Limerick ?
2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qRfeHtqpxw
2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0rzgUeFv4Y
Marty Mallon in Down was playing with a 32" hurl in the 90's. Everyone else was hammering away with 36 and 37" hurls at that time.
I was watching a camogie match today. The curse of the rucks. There is no ground hurling any more. This has been replaced by rucks thanks to the short hurls.
Quote from: seafoid on February 23, 2024, 10:17:49 PMQuote from: johnnycool on February 19, 2024, 09:31:39 AMQuote from: seafoid on February 16, 2024, 05:21:05 PMWho introduced the short hurls to the game? It seems to have happened between the 2020 all ireland and the 2021 final. Was it Limerick ?
2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qRfeHtqpxw
2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0rzgUeFv4Y
Marty Mallon in Down was playing with a 32" hurl in the 90's. Everyone else was hammering away with 36 and 37" hurls at that time.
I was watching a camogie match today. The curse of the rucks. There is no ground hurling any more. This has been replaced by rucks thanks to the short hurls.
I was at a school match last week and noticed some of the short hurls. Seriously reduces how far the lads can hit it but I suppose it's maybe better for control etc but on a heavy pitch it didn't really improve the quality of the game.
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I was watching a camogie match today. The curse of the rucks. There is no ground hurling any more. This has been replaced by rucks thanks to the short hurls.
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Players emerging from rucks with one hand up around the bas and the other hand holding the ball. You know from this stance that their first intention is to offload a handpass and they nearly always do. The reward for winning a ruck is too big and hence the rucks get bigger and bigger. We have endless threads on how to solve problems in Gaelic Football yet we are happy for hurling to follow it down the same old handpassing hole. Handpassing is the primary problem and rucks are secondary.
Huge rucks are a very recent development in the game. Ground hurling was much more efficient
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eM5-r5tG3Y
The rucks developed over the last 10 years as did the over use of the throw like handpass. So theres a relationship there. And sure the lack of ground hurling makes rucks more likely but ground hurling has been in decline for 30 years. The way hurling is going the hurl will be used less and the hand even more.
There's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.
Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...
At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.
Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2024, 08:40:45 PMThere's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.
Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...
At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.
Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.
Hurling never stays still. 20 years ago there was the running game of Cork. then Kilkenny introuced stickwork and intensity, Galway and Tipp followed up with the use of space. Limerick brought possession Something else will replace that .
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2024, 08:40:45 PMThere's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.
Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...
At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.
Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.
Yes of course its a possession game. But that doesnt mean we should take every opportunity including breaking the rules to make possession easier for players.
Why does a players who wins possession in an ugly ruck surrounded by 10 players have the right to throw the ball out to a player outside the ruck. So they can maintain possession?
Why do todays players run straight into contact with the ball knowing they will either be fouled or offload with a throw handpass?
Why do players take the extra steps trying to offload a handpass getting the benefit of the steps rule simply because they are being fouled with spare hands to prevent the offload?
These are all glaring issues with the current possession game. The game doesnt necessarily need to evolve in one direction where we thrive more and more easy possession simply because possession is now king.
A reset is required and it start with implementing rules.
Quote from: didlyi on March 02, 2024, 12:54:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2024, 08:40:45 PMThere's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.
Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...
At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.
Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.
Yes of course its a possession game. But that doesnt mean we should take every opportunity including breaking the rules to make possession easier for players.
Why does a players who wins possession in an ugly ruck surrounded by 10 players have the right to throw the ball out to a player outside the ruck. So they can maintain possession?
Why do todays players run straight into contact with the ball knowing they will either be fouled or offload with a throw handpass?
Why do players take the extra steps trying to offload a handpass getting the benefit of the steps rule simply because they are being fouled with spare hands to prevent the offload?
These are all glaring issues with the current possession game. The game doesnt necessarily need to evolve in one direction where we thrive more and more easy possession simply because possession is now king.
A reset is required and it start with implementing rules.
You can only call a throw when you see it.. do you really think the referee allows it?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 02, 2024, 02:12:06 PMQuote from: didlyi on March 02, 2024, 12:54:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2024, 08:40:45 PMThere's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.
Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...
At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.
Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.
Yes of course its a possession game. But that doesnt mean we should take every opportunity including breaking the rules to make possession easier for players.
Why does a players who wins possession in an ugly ruck surrounded by 10 players have the right to throw the ball out to a player outside the ruck. So they can maintain possession?
Why do todays players run straight into contact with the ball knowing they will either be fouled or offload with a throw handpass?
Why do players take the extra steps trying to offload a handpass getting the benefit of the steps rule simply because they are being fouled with spare hands to prevent the offload?
These are all glaring issues with the current possession game. The game doesnt necessarily need to evolve in one direction where we thrive more and more easy possession simply because possession is now king.
A reset is required and it start with implementing rules.
You can only call a throw when you see it.. do you really think the referee allows it?
I think they are unsure and in most cases give the benefit of the doubt to keep the game flowing, as thats what we want right?. If your happy with that then why not just allow throws altogether? More to the point is that even if theres a mm of space between the ball and the hand its just too easy and its why there needs to be change. Hurling was always a game of skill and Im sorry to say these kind of handpasses (not all) are at the very low end of the skills.
Quote from: didlyi on March 02, 2024, 03:11:42 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 02, 2024, 02:12:06 PMQuote from: didlyi on March 02, 2024, 12:54:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2024, 08:40:45 PMThere's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.
Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...
At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.
Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.
Yes of course its a possession game. But that doesnt mean we should take every opportunity including breaking the rules to make possession easier for players.
Why does a players who wins possession in an ugly ruck surrounded by 10 players have the right to throw the ball out to a player outside the ruck. So they can maintain possession?
Why do todays players run straight into contact with the ball knowing they will either be fouled or offload with a throw handpass?
Why do players take the extra steps trying to offload a handpass getting the benefit of the steps rule simply because they are being fouled with spare hands to prevent the offload?
These are all glaring issues with the current possession game. The game doesnt necessarily need to evolve in one direction where we thrive more and more easy possession simply because possession is now king.
A reset is required and it start with implementing rules.
You can only call a throw when you see it.. do you really think the referee allows it?
I think they are unsure and in most cases give the benefit of the doubt to keep the game flowing, as thats what we want right?. If your happy with that then why not just allow throws altogether? More to the point is that even if theres a mm of space between the ball and the hand its just too easy and its why there needs to be change. Hurling was always a game of skill and Im sorry to say these kind of handpasses (not all) are at the very low end of the skills.
There's a simple rule in refereeing
If you can't see it you can't call it.
The flow of the game is generally down to the players tbf
Hand passing is an integral part of hurling and done right it can split defences and goals come from that quick pass.
Throws can't be allowed, as it leaves it wide open
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 02, 2024, 04:24:27 PMQuote from: didlyi on March 02, 2024, 03:11:42 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 02, 2024, 02:12:06 PMQuote from: didlyi on March 02, 2024, 12:54:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2024, 08:40:45 PMThere's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.
Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...
At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.
Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.
Yes of course its a possession game. But that doesnt mean we should take every opportunity including breaking the rules to make possession easier for players.
Why does a players who wins possession in an ugly ruck surrounded by 10 players have the right to throw the ball out to a player outside the ruck. So they can maintain possession?
Why do todays players run straight into contact with the ball knowing they will either be fouled or offload with a throw handpass?
Why do players take the extra steps trying to offload a handpass getting the benefit of the steps rule simply because they are being fouled with spare hands to prevent the offload?
These are all glaring issues with the current possession game. The game doesnt necessarily need to evolve in one direction where we thrive more and more easy possession simply because possession is now king.
A reset is required and it start with implementing rules.
You can only call a throw when you see it.. do you really think the referee allows it?
I think they are unsure and in most cases give the benefit of the doubt to keep the game flowing, as thats what we want right?. If your happy with that then why not just allow throws altogether? More to the point is that even if theres a mm of space between the ball and the hand its just too easy and its why there needs to be change. Hurling was always a game of skill and Im sorry to say these kind of handpasses (not all) are at the very low end of the skills.
There's a simple rule in refereeing
If you can't see it you can't call it.
The flow of the game is generally down to the players tbf
Hand passing is an integral part of hurling and done right it can split defences and goals come from that quick pass.
Throws can't be allowed, as it leaves it wide open
That is your convenient interpretation of the rule which actualy states 'the ball shall be Released and struck with a definite striking action of a hand'.
You have turned the rule around so that we error on the side of throwing rather than clear handpasses.
Handpassing is an integral part of the game but its becoming the primary means of moving the ball. Nobody is saying to get rid of the handpass, just the throw type. Excellent Read below....
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2024/0207/1431014-75-of-handpasses-are-fouls-kelly-urges-rule-change/
Quote from: didlyi on March 03, 2024, 11:05:34 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 02, 2024, 04:24:27 PMQuote from: didlyi on March 02, 2024, 03:11:42 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 02, 2024, 02:12:06 PMQuote from: didlyi on March 02, 2024, 12:54:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2024, 08:40:45 PMThere's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.
Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...
At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.
Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.
Yes of course its a possession game. But that doesnt mean we should take every opportunity including breaking the rules to make possession easier for players.
Why does a players who wins possession in an ugly ruck surrounded by 10 players have the right to throw the ball out to a player outside the ruck. So they can maintain possession?
Why do todays players run straight into contact with the ball knowing they will either be fouled or offload with a throw handpass?
Why do players take the extra steps trying to offload a handpass getting the benefit of the steps rule simply because they are being fouled with spare hands to prevent the offload?
These are all glaring issues with the current possession game. The game doesnt necessarily need to evolve in one direction where we thrive more and more easy possession simply because possession is now king.
A reset is required and it start with implementing rules.
You can only call a throw when you see it.. do you really think the referee allows it?
I think they are unsure and in most cases give the benefit of the doubt to keep the game flowing, as thats what we want right?. If your happy with that then why not just allow throws altogether? More to the point is that even if theres a mm of space between the ball and the hand its just too easy and its why there needs to be change. Hurling was always a game of skill and Im sorry to say these kind of handpasses (not all) are at the very low end of the skills.
There's a simple rule in refereeing
If you can't see it you can't call it.
The flow of the game is generally down to the players tbf
Hand passing is an integral part of hurling and done right it can split defences and goals come from that quick pass.
Throws can't be allowed, as it leaves it wide open
That is your convenient interpretation of the rule which actualy states 'the ball shall be Released and struck with a definite striking action of a hand'.
You have turned the rule around so that we error on the side of throwing rather than clear handpasses.
Handpassing is an integral part of the game but its becoming the primary means of moving the ball. Nobody is saying to get rid of the handpass, just the throw type. Excellent Read below....
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2024/0207/1431014-75-of-handpasses-are-fouls-kelly-urges-rule-change/
There's nothing convenient about it.. do we just call for fouls in all parts of the game because he probably did it?
Make the rule change and that's that.. but don't be making stuff up.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2024, 11:32:21 AMQuote from: didlyi on March 03, 2024, 11:05:34 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 02, 2024, 04:24:27 PMQuote from: didlyi on March 02, 2024, 03:11:42 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 02, 2024, 02:12:06 PMQuote from: didlyi on March 02, 2024, 12:54:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2024, 08:40:45 PMThere's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.
Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...
At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.
Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.
Yes of course its a possession game. But that doesnt mean we should take every opportunity including breaking the rules to make possession easier for players.
Why does a players who wins possession in an ugly ruck surrounded by 10 players have the right to throw the ball out to a player outside the ruck. So they can maintain possession?
Why do todays players run straight into contact with the ball knowing they will either be fouled or offload with a throw handpass?
Why do players take the extra steps trying to offload a handpass getting the benefit of the steps rule simply because they are being fouled with spare hands to prevent the offload?
These are all glaring issues with the current possession game. The game doesnt necessarily need to evolve in one direction where we thrive more and more easy possession simply because possession is now king.
A reset is required and it start with implementing rules.
You can only call a throw when you see it.. do you really think the referee allows it?
I think they are unsure and in most cases give the benefit of the doubt to keep the game flowing, as thats what we want right?. If your happy with that then why not just allow throws altogether? More to the point is that even if theres a mm of space between the ball and the hand its just too easy and its why there needs to be change. Hurling was always a game of skill and Im sorry to say these kind of handpasses (not all) are at the very low end of the skills.
There's a simple rule in refereeing
If you can't see it you can't call it.
The flow of the game is generally down to the players tbf
Hand passing is an integral part of hurling and done right it can split defences and goals come from that quick pass.
Throws can't be allowed, as it leaves it wide open
That is your convenient interpretation of the rule which actualy states 'the ball shall be Released and struck with a definite striking action of a hand'.
You have turned the rule around so that we error on the side of throwing rather than clear handpasses.
Handpassing is an integral part of the game but its becoming the primary means of moving the ball. Nobody is saying to get rid of the handpass, just the throw type. Excellent Read below....
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2024/0207/1431014-75-of-handpasses-are-fouls-kelly-urges-rule-change/
There's nothing convenient about it.. do we just call for fouls in all parts of the game because he probably did it?
Make the rule change and that's that.. but don't be making stuff up.
Absouloutely not but with the proposed new rule there is no 'probably', its clearcut.
Jackie Tyrell baring all on the GAA social podcast.
GAA Social (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hgts91)
A very good listen and not afraid to come clean on his own discretions..
On the Cody/Shefflin hand shake he talks about, we'd Cody up last winter for a "legends" talk and Cody came clean on it and wasn't asked about it.
Cody is as Tyrell talks about is an out and out hurling man, his life is lived through that prism and more importantly Cody is a James Stephens and Kilkenny hurling man first and foremost.
Cody articulated that night that for the life of him he really could not understand how any Kilkenny hurler, especially someone like Shefflin who has gained so much from Kilkenny hurling could actually coach a team to try and beat Kilkenny in a Leinster or AI championship.
Old school alright but there's loads of lads with a similar attitude in every club and county in Ireland.
I'm sure there's lads in Tyrone would go mad if Mickey Harte coaches Derry to beat them...
He had already bared a lot of it on Laochra Gael a couple of years ago
Quote from: johnnycool on March 07, 2024, 10:41:07 AMJackie Tyrell baring all on the GAA social podcast.
GAA Social (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hgts91)
A very good listen and not afraid to come clean on his own discretions..
On the Cody/Shefflin hand shake he talks about, we'd Cody up last winter for a "legends" talk and Cody came clean on it and wasn't asked about it.
Cody is as Tyrell talks about is an out and out hurling man, his life is lived through that prism and more importantly Cody is a James Stephens and Kilkenny hurling man first and foremost.
Cody articulated that night that for the life of him he really could not understand how any Kilkenny hurler, especially someone like Shefflin who has gained so much from Kilkenny hurling could actually coach a team to try and beat Kilkenny in a Leinster or AI championship.
Old school alright but there's loads of lads with a similar attitude in every club and county in Ireland.
I'm sure there's lads in Tyrone would go mad if Mickey Harte coaches Derry to beat them...
If Kilkenny were winning it might be different. But kilkenny are really hurting. This is season 10 ...
Quote from: seafoid on March 08, 2024, 10:31:15 AMQuote from: johnnycool on March 07, 2024, 10:41:07 AMJackie Tyrell baring all on the GAA social podcast.
GAA Social (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hgts91)
A very good listen and not afraid to come clean on his own discretions..
On the Cody/Shefflin hand shake he talks about, we'd Cody up last winter for a "legends" talk and Cody came clean on it and wasn't asked about it.
Cody is as Tyrell talks about is an out and out hurling man, his life is lived through that prism and more importantly Cody is a James Stephens and Kilkenny hurling man first and foremost.
Cody articulated that night that for the life of him he really could not understand how any Kilkenny hurler, especially someone like Shefflin who has gained so much from Kilkenny hurling could actually coach a team to try and beat Kilkenny in a Leinster or AI championship.
Old school alright but there's loads of lads with a similar attitude in every club and county in Ireland.
I'm sure there's lads in Tyrone would go mad if Mickey Harte coaches Derry to beat them...
If Kilkenny were winning it might be different. But kilkenny are really hurting. This is season 10 ...
They're still bagging Leinster titles like hot dinners and whilst they're not winning AI's it isn't Shefflins Galway that's preventing them.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 08, 2024, 01:33:25 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 08, 2024, 10:31:15 AMQuote from: johnnycool on March 07, 2024, 10:41:07 AMJackie Tyrell baring all on the GAA social podcast.
GAA Social (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hgts91)
A very good listen and not afraid to come clean on his own discretions..
On the Cody/Shefflin hand shake he talks about, we'd Cody up last winter for a "legends" talk and Cody came clean on it and wasn't asked about it.
Cody is as Tyrell talks about is an out and out hurling man, his life is lived through that prism and more importantly Cody is a James Stephens and Kilkenny hurling man first and foremost.
Cody articulated that night that for the life of him he really could not understand how any Kilkenny hurler, especially someone like Shefflin who has gained so much from Kilkenny hurling could actually coach a team to try and beat Kilkenny in a Leinster or AI championship.
Old school alright but there's loads of lads with a similar attitude in every club and county in Ireland.
I'm sure there's lads in Tyrone would go mad if Mickey Harte coaches Derry to beat them...
If Kilkenny were winning it might be different. But kilkenny are really hurting. This is season 10 ...
They're still bagging Leinster titles like hot dinners and whilst they're not winning AI's it isn't Shefflins Galway that's preventing them.
Leinsters have no value in Catland
They get hammered on the big day and that really hurts.
Huw Lawlor has never won a senior all Ireland.
If you had said back in 2015 that one of the greatest players in the game, from Kilkenny, would have lost 4 senior finals and won none, nobody would have believed it.
Quote from: seafoid on March 08, 2024, 05:48:17 PMQuote from: johnnycool on March 08, 2024, 01:33:25 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 08, 2024, 10:31:15 AMQuote from: johnnycool on March 07, 2024, 10:41:07 AMJackie Tyrell baring all on the GAA social podcast.
GAA Social (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hgts91)
A very good listen and not afraid to come clean on his own discretions..
On the Cody/Shefflin hand shake he talks about, we'd Cody up last winter for a "legends" talk and Cody came clean on it and wasn't asked about it.
Cody is as Tyrell talks about is an out and out hurling man, his life is lived through that prism and more importantly Cody is a James Stephens and Kilkenny hurling man first and foremost.
Cody articulated that night that for the life of him he really could not understand how any Kilkenny hurler, especially someone like Shefflin who has gained so much from Kilkenny hurling could actually coach a team to try and beat Kilkenny in a Leinster or AI championship.
Old school alright but there's loads of lads with a similar attitude in every club and county in Ireland.
I'm sure there's lads in Tyrone would go mad if Mickey Harte coaches Derry to beat them...
If Kilkenny were winning it might be different. But kilkenny are really hurting. This is season 10 ...
They're still bagging Leinster titles like hot dinners and whilst they're not winning AI's it isn't Shefflins Galway that's preventing them.
Leinsters have no value in Catland
They get hammered on the big day and that really hurts.
Huw Lawlor has never won a senior all Ireland.
If you had said back in 2015 that one of the greatest players in the game, from Kilkenny, would have lost 4 senior finals and won none, nobody would have believed it.
I know all that, my original point being is that it isn't Shefflins Galway inflicting these defeats, it's Kielys Limerick
Quote from: johnnycool on March 09, 2024, 05:14:31 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 08, 2024, 05:48:17 PMQuote from: johnnycool on March 08, 2024, 01:33:25 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 08, 2024, 10:31:15 AMQuote from: johnnycool on March 07, 2024, 10:41:07 AMJackie Tyrell baring all on the GAA social podcast.
GAA Social (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hgts91)
A very good listen and not afraid to come clean on his own discretions..
On the Cody/Shefflin hand shake he talks about, we'd Cody up last winter for a "legends" talk and Cody came clean on it and wasn't asked about it.
Cody is as Tyrell talks about is an out and out hurling man, his life is lived through that prism and more importantly Cody is a James Stephens and Kilkenny hurling man first and foremost.
Cody articulated that night that for the life of him he really could not understand how any Kilkenny hurler, especially someone like Shefflin who has gained so much from Kilkenny hurling could actually coach a team to try and beat Kilkenny in a Leinster or AI championship.
Old school alright but there's loads of lads with a similar attitude in every club and county in Ireland.
I'm sure there's lads in Tyrone would go mad if Mickey Harte coaches Derry to beat them...
If Kilkenny were winning it might be different. But kilkenny are really hurting. This is season 10 ...
They're still bagging Leinster titles like hot dinners and whilst they're not winning AI's it isn't Shefflins Galway that's preventing them.
Leinsters have no value in Catland
They get hammered on the big day and that really hurts.
Huw Lawlor has never won a senior all Ireland.
If you had said back in 2015 that one of the greatest players in the game, from Kilkenny, would have lost 4 senior finals and won none, nobody would have believed it.
I know all that, my original point being is that it isn't Shefflins Galway inflicting these defeats, it's Kielys Limerick
Kilkenny had a jammy win last year. Imo KK and Galway are on a similar level.
This chart is really interesting. Cork and the Cats have been flatlining for a while (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/All_Ireland_Senior_Hurling_Champions_Timeline.png)
Good live game on RTÉ tonight with Limerick winning 0-26 to 3-16
Limerick had 42 scoring chances to Tipps 30 so probably should have won by more, the goals kept Tipp in the game.
Sf Galway have been very poor this last few years. Kk have some fantastic players but as a team I think they are performing above themselves. Galway are definitely not performing above themselves. They've been a big disappointment since they won the ai tbh. They're the only team with the physicality in them to challenge limerick (and beat everyone else) but they never do.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 09, 2024, 09:58:14 PMSf Galway have been very poor this last few years. Kk have some fantastic players but as a team I think they are performing above themselves. Galway are definitely not performing above themselves. They've been a big disappointment since they won the ai tbh. They're the only team with the physicality in them to challenge limerick (and beat everyone else) but they never do.
Galway are poor but so are Kilkenny. Way off the pace. They can't compete for possession in their forwards, they lose too many puckouts , shooting is poor, they can't compete physically.
Winning Leinster means getting a ritual beating in the all Ireland final. Kilkenny get more allstars but they never win the big prize either.
Galway camogie have won 2 all Irelands recently so it's not not that bad overall. 8)
Offaly look as far off the top teams in Div 1 as ever with today's home defeat to Cork. 0-16 to 5-28.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 10, 2024, 04:25:19 PMOffaly look as far off the top teams in Div 1 as ever with today's home defeat to Cork. 0-16 to 5-28.
Thought the -10 evens was a free one by the bookies..
This match is a war of attrition! Some fielding in tough conditions..
Hopefully Wexford hold on, Waterford have been wasteful with shots selections. But 3 in it with 5 to go
Great win for Wexford. They were very impressive
I wasn't expecting Kilkenny to lose. Cody will be on DEFCON 1
Offaly took some hammering from Cork. Some games as lopsided as football, looks bad when u think Offaly actually won few all Irelands 30yrs ago.They fell badly away.
The 1a and 1b should help that. You've effectively division 1 and 2 mixed together. They have a long way to come back though. Antrim against Galway was probably no better the other week and Westmeath have had similar hammerings.
SF the difference is Galway should be so much better than they are. KK aren't fantastic at the minute but are really making the most out of themselves. They are beating everyone bar Limerick. Having a team that should so much better than they are is harder to stomach.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2024, 07:12:23 PMThe 1a and 1b should help that. You've effectively division 1 and 2 mixed together. They have a long way to come back though. Antrim against Galway was probably no better the other week and Westmeath have had similar hammerings.
SF the difference is Galway should be so much better than they are. KK aren't fantastic at the minute but are really making the most out of themselves. They are beating everyone bar Limerick. Having a team that should so much better than they are is harder to stomach.
The results are the same. What is the point of winning Leinster anyway? From a Galway pov it is better to have KK making a show of themselves in the All Ireland final. 8) Galway have lost enough of them. If Galway are really good enough they will beat Limerick in the semifinal.
Whichever team finds a way to score goals against them might be able to beat them.
3 galway players sent off yesterday so Daithi burke and Conor whelan are unavailable for the match against Limerick next weekend
Quote from: seafoid on March 11, 2024, 01:20:43 PM3 galway players sent off yesterday so Daithi burke and Conor whelan are unavailable for the match against Limerick next weekend
I don't think either have cause for complaint all the same.
Davy Fitz's Waterford bate again and relegated. He had to stop himself from throwing some players under the bus in the interview after the game.
Will he still be in a job in a few months time?
Quote from: johnnycool on March 11, 2024, 04:17:06 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 11, 2024, 01:20:43 PM3 galway players sent off yesterday so Daithi burke and Conor whelan are unavailable for the match against Limerick next weekend
I don't think either have cause for complaint all the same.
Davy Fitz's Waterford bate again and relegated. He had to stop himself from throwing some players under the bus in the interview after the game.
Will he still be in a job in a few months time?
I think the league has been devalued. Nobody seems to be interested.
Every time I hear Craig Morgan mentioned in Tipp games it reminds me of Dillon Quirke.
Waterford will be back after one season anyway.
Yeah tbh I don't go out of my way at all to watch hurling matches at the minute as they feel more like friendlies. Football has far more at stake it seems. Division 1 in hurling is a procession this year. Probably nice for wexford to get one over on davy and clare on kilkenny but still doesn't mean that much.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 11, 2024, 04:40:44 PMYeah tbh I don't go out of my way at all to watch hurling matches at the minute as they feel more like friendlies. Football has far more at stake it seems. Division 1 in hurling is a procession this year. Probably nice for wexford to get one over on davy and clare on kilkenny but still doesn't mean that much.
It is indeed all a bit "friendly" at this stage with some counties proving to be more successful at building up a panel for the impending championship round robins but hey, that's what the tier 1 counties wanted.
They never should have done away with the way 1a was. The lower divisions are way more interesting.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 11, 2024, 04:40:44 PMYeah tbh I don't go out of my way at all to watch hurling matches at the minute as they feel more like friendlies. Football has far more at stake it seems. Division 1 in hurling is a procession this year. Probably nice for wexford to get one over on davy and clare on kilkenny but still doesn't mean that much.
Football division 2 has jeopardy because of Sam Maguire. Hurling top tier doesn't.
It is interesting to watch but not compelling.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 11, 2024, 04:40:44 PMYeah tbh I don't go out of my way at all to watch hurling matches at the minute as they feel more like friendlies. Football has far more at stake it seems. Division 1 in hurling is a procession this year. Probably nice for wexford to get one over on davy and clare on kilkenny but still doesn't mean that much.
Hurling league is probably their group format in the Leinster,Munster championship. Matches at the moment are mainly warm ups before that.
Yeah I don't think the championship format has helped and it is far too compressed too but I guess they all are at the minute.
I think they should have run off the league, week on week until finished.
Then gave the few weeks break during the league to the championship to spread it out a bit.
I thought there was plenty of bite in the Waterford Wexford game yesterday.
Some meaty challenges and no easy fouls to be won!
Waterford would need to work on shot selection and accuracy
They'd plenty opportunity to win that.
On another note, Cavan beat Armagh.
That be like Antrim beating Limerick in the league
Pity to see that as it's an Antrim man managing Armagh!
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 11, 2024, 10:05:44 PMPity to see that as it's an Antrim man managing Armagh!
There was an Antrim man managing Cavan last year, not sure if he's there this year
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 10:38:06 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 11, 2024, 10:05:44 PMPity to see that as it's an Antrim man managing Armagh!
There was an Antrim man managing Cavan last year, not sure if he's there this year
Good for Cavan, the same county Croke Park were looking removed from the NHL's
I didn't know that Ciara Mageean's father played hurling for Down and bate Kilkenny back in the 90s.
Quote from: seafoid on March 12, 2024, 12:56:19 PMI didn't know that Ciara Mageean's father played hurling for Down and bate Kilkenny back in the 90s.
Bate Kilkenny and relegated them to Div2 and in Nowlan park. DJ Carey was playing also.
The team bus lost a window on the Ormeau Road on the way home.
;D
Cork bate us in the league semifinal in Croke Park a few weeks later.
Chrissy AKA the White Hunter was centre forward that day.
Ned Quinn took control of Kilkenny soon after and the rest is history.
Were you playing JC or are you younger than I imagine lol
He was a decent hurler in a very good Down team at the time. A few of those names starting to appear on down seniors now too.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 12, 2024, 01:06:21 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 12, 2024, 12:56:19 PMI didn't know that Ciara Mageean's father played hurling for Down and bate Kilkenny back in the 90s.
Bate Kilkenny and relegated them to Div2 and in Nowlan park. DJ Carey was playing also.
The team bus lost a window on the Ormeau Road on the way home.
;D
Cork bate us in the league semifinal in Croke Park a few weeks later.
Chrissy AKA the White Hunter was centre forward that day.
Ned Quinn took control of Kilkenny soon after and the rest is history.
Cá bhfágfadh sí é?
How could she not be class ?
Very good first half from Galway. Backs putting Limerick under pressure, Forwards rotating and good intensity
Quote from: seafoid on March 16, 2024, 01:59:23 PMVery good first half from Galway. Backs putting Limerick under pressure, Forwards rotating and good intensity
If Galway at home to a 14 man Limerick in a league game aren't able to win then you'd have to wonder what chance have they got of beating them in a knock out championship game this summer?
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 16, 2024, 02:19:23 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 16, 2024, 01:59:23 PMVery good first half from Galway. Backs putting Limerick under pressure, Forwards rotating and good intensity
If Galway at home to a 14 man Limerick in a league game aren't able to win then you'd have to wonder what chance have they got of beating them in a knock out championship game this summer?
Fair point. Limerick outscoring them in the 2nd half.
Quote from: marty34 on March 16, 2024, 02:40:01 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 16, 2024, 02:19:23 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 16, 2024, 01:59:23 PMVery good first half from Galway. Backs putting Limerick under pressure, Forwards rotating and good intensity
If Galway at home to a 14 man Limerick in a league game aren't able to win then you'd have to wonder what chance have they got of beating them in a knock out championship game this summer?
Fair point. Limerick outscoring them in the 2nd half.
A draw the result. Galway outscored 0-8 to 0-5 in the 2nd half.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 16, 2024, 02:19:23 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 16, 2024, 01:59:23 PMVery good first half from Galway. Backs putting Limerick under pressure, Forwards rotating and good intensity
If Galway at home to a 14 man Limerick in a league game aren't able to win then you'd have to wonder what chance have they got of beating them in a knock out championship game this summer?
If Galway were beaten out the gate last year yesterday was an improvement. Intensity and goals may beat Limerick this year. Or may not. Lets see
Dragging us Kilkenny folk to Cork next weekend for the Semi vs Limerick.. bonkers altogether.
Quote from: seafoid on March 17, 2024, 11:12:43 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 16, 2024, 02:19:23 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 16, 2024, 01:59:23 PMVery good first half from Galway. Backs putting Limerick under pressure, Forwards rotating and good intensity
If Galway at home to a 14 man Limerick in a league game aren't able to win then you'd have to wonder what chance have they got of beating them in a knock out championship game this summer?
If Galway were beaten out the gate last year yesterday was an improvement. Intensity and goals may beat Limerick this year. Or may not. Lets see
Adam English would start on every other team in the Liam McCarthy cup barring Limerick, but I think we'll see more of him this year.
Kiely might struggle to find his best 15, but he does need fresh blood in there at both ends of the park.
Galway, Clare, Cork, Tipp, Kilkenny would need to catch Limerick on an off day so better hold off on that until the semi-final.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 19, 2024, 11:20:58 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 17, 2024, 11:12:43 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 16, 2024, 02:19:23 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 16, 2024, 01:59:23 PMVery good first half from Galway. Backs putting Limerick under pressure, Forwards rotating and good intensity
If Galway at home to a 14 man Limerick in a league game aren't able to win then you'd have to wonder what chance have they got of beating them in a knock out championship game this summer?
If Galway were beaten out the gate last year yesterday was an improvement. Intensity and goals may beat Limerick this year. Or may not. Lets see
Adam English would start on every other team in the Liam McCarthy cup barring Limerick, but I think we'll see more of him this year.
Kiely might struggle to find his best 15, but he does need fresh blood in there at both ends of the park.
Galway, Clare, Cork, Tipp, Kilkenny would need to catch Limerick on an off day so better hold off on that until the semi-final.
Clare seems to have made several improvements from last year. The hurling this year should be very interesting. I remember the shock in 2010 when Tipp beat Kilkenny and in 2013 when Cork beat Kilkenny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_EN__VdpqE
Quote from: seafoid on March 19, 2024, 01:26:57 PMQuote from: johnnycool on March 19, 2024, 11:20:58 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 17, 2024, 11:12:43 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 16, 2024, 02:19:23 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 16, 2024, 01:59:23 PMVery good first half from Galway. Backs putting Limerick under pressure, Forwards rotating and good intensity
If Galway at home to a 14 man Limerick in a league game aren't able to win then you'd have to wonder what chance have they got of beating them in a knock out championship game this summer?
If Galway were beaten out the gate last year yesterday was an improvement. Intensity and goals may beat Limerick this year. Or may not. Lets see
Adam English would start on every other team in the Liam McCarthy cup barring Limerick, but I think we'll see more of him this year.
Kiely might struggle to find his best 15, but he does need fresh blood in there at both ends of the park.
Galway, Clare, Cork, Tipp, Kilkenny would need to catch Limerick on an off day so better hold off on that until the semi-final.
Clare seems to have made several improvements from last year. The hurling this year should be very interesting. I remember the shock in 2010 when Tipp beat Kilkenny and in 2013 when Cork beat Kilkenny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_EN__VdpqE
Barry Kelly and his umpires really didn't do Kilkenny any favours that day.
The red aside there was three dodgy bits of umpiring which all went the way of Cork.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 19, 2024, 02:05:43 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 19, 2024, 01:26:57 PMQuote from: johnnycool on March 19, 2024, 11:20:58 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 17, 2024, 11:12:43 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 16, 2024, 02:19:23 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 16, 2024, 01:59:23 PMVery good first half from Galway. Backs putting Limerick under pressure, Forwards rotating and good intensity
If Galway at home to a 14 man Limerick in a league game aren't able to win then you'd have to wonder what chance have they got of beating them in a knock out championship game this summer?
If Galway were beaten out the gate last year yesterday was an improvement. Intensity and goals may beat Limerick this year. Or may not. Lets see
Adam English would start on every other team in the Liam McCarthy cup barring Limerick, but I think we'll see more of him this year.
Kiely might struggle to find his best 15, but he does need fresh blood in there at both ends of the park.
Galway, Clare, Cork, Tipp, Kilkenny would need to catch Limerick on an off day so better hold off on that until the semi-final.
Clare seems to have made several improvements from last year. The hurling this year should be very interesting. I remember the shock in 2010 when Tipp beat Kilkenny and in 2013 when Cork beat Kilkenny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_EN__VdpqE
Barry Kelly and his umpires really didn't do Kilkenny any favours that day.
The red aside there was three dodgy bits of umpiring which all went the way of Cork.
Usually Kilkenny had enough in the tank to impose themselves on the opposition but they just seemed to run out of gas. I remember watching the match in Co Mayo and even football people were gripped by the unfolding story
The hurling pod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGOCExl96IM
Limerick V KK.
English in centre forward to make hay until Kilkenny settle on a centre back for championship, but he won't stay there, he'll rotate with Lynch. Limerick naming a very strong defence in particular, hard to look past them.
Mullen and Cody need big, big games for KK to keep it interesting
Limerick by 5 or more for me
Clare v Tipp.
Clare are confident, but they need Shane O'Donnell and Tony Kelly to get some gametime before championship. Tipp have the first week off in Munster so might be more inclined to target the league final moreso that Clare.
Hard to call, going for Clare due to their better allround squad.
Down hurlers are away to Laois in Div2A semifinal but the Eoghan Sands red card appeal was unsuccessful and that's a big blow to their chances, time for some others to step up, Egan, young McGrattan in particular need to find their scoring form as every one of the forwards needs to be troubling the scoreboard on Saturday.
A dry sod would suit the current Down forwards, hard to see that being the case in Portlaoise but Down are in bonus territory and a win would tare up the bookies form book.
Kilkenny are in trouble. Nicky Brennan quoted in the Irish Times
"The conveyor belt has slowed down. We just haven't been finding the players. "
There was no cat on the higher education rising stars (Fitzgibbon all stars)
4 Clare, 3 x Galway, Tipping, Limerick and 2 Déise.
Kilkenny are cat.
https://youtu.be/G7qEivYkgZM&t=68s
Quote from: seafoid on March 23, 2024, 09:38:08 AMKilkenny are in trouble. Nicky Brennan quoted in the Irish Times
"The conveyor belt has slowed down. We just haven't been finding the players. "
There was no cat on the higher education rising stars (Fitzgibbon all stars)
4 Clare, 3 x Galway, Tipping, Limerick and 2 Déise.
Kilkenny are cat.
https://youtu.be/G7qEivYkgZM&t=68s
I would agree with you yet St Kieran's have been in the last 10 All Ireland school A finals, winning 6/7 of them
Sf they have been in the last two this last two years. Yes they're not winning but they're beating the second best in Munster to get to the final. They're not that bad. Limerick are just a level above.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 23, 2024, 01:30:29 PMSf they have been in the last two this last two years. Yes they're not winning but they're beating the second best in Munster to get to the final. They're not that bad. Limerick are just a level above.
It's worse than that, tommy.
They don't have anyone to replace TJ. He is 36. In 2022 they stayed with Limerick until 7 minutes before the end. Last year they were gone 20 minutes from the end according to the Irish Times. They don't have the flow of young players to replace the ones who are aging.
The longest period between Kilkenny All Irelands is 10 years. This is year 10 of the latest famine.
Clare are probably better than them now.
Quote from: Saffrongael on March 23, 2024, 11:17:08 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 23, 2024, 09:38:08 AMKilkenny are in trouble. Nicky Brennan quoted in the Irish Times
"The conveyor belt has slowed down. We just haven't been finding the players. "
There was no cat on the higher education rising stars (Fitzgibbon all stars)
4 Clare, 3 x Galway, Tipping, Limerick and 2 Déise.
Kilkenny are cat.
https://youtu.be/G7qEivYkgZM&t=68s
I would agree with you yet St Kieran's have been in the last 10 All Ireland school A finals, winning 6/7 of them
I know from Galway (hurling and football) that it takes a long time to integrate talented underage playerss into senior intercounty teams. It is a system. Kilkenny seem to be missing a generation of county players. Galway footballers had this problem in 2012 or so. It looks like it won't improve for a while.
True, Limerick are a step above everybody else. They are going for 5-in-a-row this year. Never been done before so they're a special outfit.
Hard to judge other teams based on that. They have set the standard.
Limerick getting their lads back in time. Getting them ready for the harder sod. They've gave lads like Ó'Dalaigh, O'Brien and English etc. league game time and they've still very strong. Limerick will want to win the league.
They'll not be having any of this football craic 'we're not interested in the league' or we 'don't want to reach the final' etc. It's great preparation for their upcoming Munster championship.
I'd fancy Tipperary over Clare this week-end, going against the bookies. Cahill likes the league - although his teams have a habit of doing well in league and collapsing in Munster. So it'll be interesting. Maybe he has learned lessons from that. The next few months will tell us more.
It's a big year for Lohan and the Clare lads. Do they want League silverware or are they happy with their lot. They've a strong team named and are still without TK, RT and SOD. Three different, but excellent players for them. How will their fitness be come championship? For one thing, another flop in CP at the semi-final stage and it'd be hard on Lohan gain.
50 minutes played Kilkenny 3-11 Limerick 1-11. Kilkenny down to 14 since the 37th minute with Eoin Cody seeing red.
Two big goal chances for Kilkenny not taken. 14 v 14 with Peter Casey getting sent off on 56 minutes. 65 mins played Kilkenny leading 3-15 to 1-12
KK 8 ahead with 10 mins to go. 14 a side now Limerick making a lot of basic skill errors - most unlike them and KK more up for it.
Overly physical game with too many frees.
A very encouraging result and performance for Kilkenny. 3-17 to 1-15 it finished. As for Limerick It's a while since I've seen them give up so many goal scoring opportunities.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 23, 2024, 06:03:22 PMA very encouraging result and performance for Kilkenny. 3-17 to 1-15 it finished. As for Limerick It's a while since I've seen them give up so many goal scoring opportunities.
Allowing the young fella to be left alone with TJ Reid on a one on one is criminal for Limerick, I've never seen them so bad, but credit to Kilkenny, they do what they do and and deserve to reach the final.
Kiely has an issue or two to resolve and I know everyone says they'll come good as they've done before, and I know they left it a bit tight in Munster last year with Waterford doing them a favour, but they very might be nipped if they don't get their act together, but we'll know more in a few weeks time when the alleged handbrake will be taken off!
Clare are well on top of Tipp.
It is very unusual to have Cork and KK on record or almost record droughts and Tipp rebuilding
So fat this decade they have no all Irelands.
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2024, 04:29:34 PMClare are well on top of Tipp.
It is very unusual to have Cork and KK on record or almost record droughts and Tipp rebuilding
So fat this decade they have no all Irelands.
Tipp happy to be going in at the break only 7 down, whatever hurling has been done by Clare so far.
Bonnar Maher is lots of things but a full forward isn't one of them, he needs to be further out the field winning dirty ball and driving forward with it.
Clare fouling giving Tipp a lifeline
Quote from: johnnycool on March 24, 2024, 04:41:25 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 24, 2024, 04:29:34 PMClare are well on top of Tipp.
It is very unusual to have Cork and KK on record or almost record droughts and Tipp rebuilding
So fat this decade they have no all Irelands.
Tipp happy to be going in at the break only 7 down, whatever hurling has been done by Clare so far.
Bonnar Maher is lots of things but a full forward isn't one of them, he needs to be further out the field winning dirty ball and driving forward with it.
Clare fouling giving Tipp a lifeline
Tipp are way off so far.
Kiely was interviewed on Radio 1. He said they lacked energy, cohesion and intensity and that it was one of the worst performances in his 8 years.
Tipp have decided to turn up, game on
Game off. Tipp not accurate enough.
19 wides. 10 frees sent wide.
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2024, 05:34:38 PM19 wides. 10 frees sent wide.
Clare went up the gears when needed but in general the standard of hurling was poor over the weekend and whilst it may not have looked like it the Down lads say there was quite a lot of sand on the pitch in Portlaoise which probably contributed to the bunching, inability to rise the ball first time etc etc which ensured the game didn't really have any pace to it.
Tipp will be concerned, unsure of the spine of their team, does Maher come out to 6, who goes back in to 3, centre forward is probably where they should be playing Bonnar Maher IMO but they to find a balance in there and lads who can get the most out of Forde and Morris who need the ball in early and in space to cause defences problems.
Clare content that they've a panel now going into championship but Kelly and O'Donnell need game time and surely the final is the place to get them some. Even Ryan Taylor and David McInerney haven't featured to date and are allegedly back to full fitness.
One concern for Clare is that they don't think John Conlan has 70 minutes in him and a stand in centre back isn't Seadna Morey in all fairness. Conlan has played some hurling in the last year with club and county and he isn't getting any younger but he is their talisman and there's more to replacing him than just for his hurling!
David Fitzgerald is a beast of a hurler, size, speed and skill, Clare need him in the game a lot more, but what a weapon.
I was completely wrong in my suggestion that Limerick and Tipperary would win. Both were, in similiar ways, very disappointing.
Tipperary moreso as I was expecting them to front up and tear into Clare but it was the complete opposite. Clare had the fire and dominated the game.
Forde and O'Connor were poor on the frees. Need to be hitting 90% of your free shots at any level. It's a good bulk of your scores nowadays. From watching Tipp yesterday, they have a ot of grafters but maybe need more skill. Maybe that'll come with the harder ground.
Clare were good. Never let up. Building a good panel but they'll have a tough battle in Munster. Fitzgerald is showing his true potential - fast, powerful and works the scoreboard. Cathal Malone is underated - does a mountain of work in that middle third. They, unlike Tipp, hve skilfull and tricky players inside. Hard to work with.
Munster should be fasinating once again. Will Limerick run out of steam. Has Davy's Waterford a kick in them? What Cork will turn up? Hard to believe the league is near over.
Quote from: marty34 on March 25, 2024, 09:21:02 AMI was completely wrong in my suggestion that Limerick and Tipperary would win. Both were, in similiar ways, very disappointing.
Tipperary moreso as I was expecting them to front up and tear into Clare but it was the complete opposite. Clare had the fire and dominated the game.
Forde and O'Connor were poor on the frees. Need to be hitting 90% of your free shots at any level. It's a good bulk of your scores nowadays. From watching Tipp yesterday, they have a ot of grafters but maybe need more skill. Maybe that'll come with the harder ground.
Clare were good. Never let up. Building a good panel but they'll have a tough battle in Munster. Fitzgerald is showing his true potential - fast, powerful and works the scoreboard. Cathal Malone is underated - does a mountain of work in that middle third. They, unlike Tipp, hve skilfull and tricky players inside. Hard to work with.
Munster should be fasinating once again. Will Limerick run out of steam. Has Davy's Waterford a kick in them? What Cork will turn up? Hard to believe the league is near over.
I thought quite a few of the Tipp lads were bulky in the chest area, too much bench pressing over the winter maybe, and looked to be more ponderous than Clare by and large..
Yes, hurling is now a lot more physical than it used to be but pace is still the key asset for me.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 25, 2024, 09:25:41 AMQuote from: marty34 on March 25, 2024, 09:21:02 AMI was completely wrong in my suggestion that Limerick and Tipperary would win. Both were, in similiar ways, very disappointing.
Tipperary moreso as I was expecting them to front up and tear into Clare but it was the complete opposite. Clare had the fire and dominated the game.
Forde and O'Connor were poor on the frees. Need to be hitting 90% of your free shots at any level. It's a good bulk of your scores nowadays. From watching Tipp yesterday, they have a ot of grafters but maybe need more skill. Maybe that'll come with the harder ground.
Clare were good. Never let up. Building a good panel but they'll have a tough battle in Munster. Fitzgerald is showing his true potential - fast, powerful and works the scoreboard. Cathal Malone is underated - does a mountain of work in that middle third. They, unlike Tipp, hve skilfull and tricky players inside. Hard to work with.
Munster should be fasinating once again. Will Limerick run out of steam. Has Davy's Waterford a kick in them? What Cork will turn up? Hard to believe the league is near over.
I thought quite a few of the Tipp lads were bulky in the chest area, too much bench pressing over the winter maybe, and looked to be more ponderous than Clare by and large..
Yes, hurling is now a lot more physical than it used to be but pace is still the key asset for me.
Agree JC. Just seemed to be more workers than shooters. Maybe the guile of the Mc Graths might help but Tyan, Connors, Dan Mc C and Bonnar Maher etc. will win the ball but need the finishers.
Maybe I'm being unfair and it was just one game but I expected a lot more from them. They'll not have a day when their free takers will have as bad a day either.
Maybe Cahill knows his team and experimented during the league but after yesterday, there's a lot more questions than answers I think.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 25, 2024, 09:02:34 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 24, 2024, 05:34:38 PM19 wides. 10 frees sent wide.
Clare went up the gears when needed but in general the standard of hurling was poor over the weekend and whilst it may not have looked like it the Down lads say there was quite a lot of sand on the pitch in Portlaoise which probably contributed to the bunching, inability to rise the ball first time etc etc which ensured the game didn't really have any pace to it.
There was an awful lot of sand on the pitch. Seemingly, a drainage pipe broke underneath, and with all the rain, it had to be fixed - so the pitch was dug up to do it last week.
Munster teams have to peak by end May to qualify . It's 3/5 and it is a dogfight.
Tipp can't peak end March and end May and July considering where they are starting from
https://twitter.com/BrophShane/status/1772003527205716004
The GAA has got a huge problem with the hurling and football leagues as in you can't trust what you are watching. Managers pick games over others to prioritise. So much of this years league has been fake and supporters won't stay paying high admission prices for it.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 25, 2024, 09:02:34 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 24, 2024, 05:34:38 PM19 wides. 10 frees sent wide.
Clare went up the gears when needed but in general the standard of hurling was poor over the weekend and whilst it may not have looked like it the Down lads say there was quite a lot of sand on the pitch in Portlaoise which probably contributed to the bunching, inability to rise the ball first time etc etc which ensured the game didn't really have any pace to it.
Tipp will be concerned, unsure of the spine of their team, does Maher come out to 6, who goes back in to 3, centre forward is probably where they should be playing Bonnar Maher IMO but they to find a balance in there and lads who can get the most out of Forde and Morris who need the ball in early and in space to cause defences problems.
Clare content that they've a panel now going into championship but Kelly and O'Donnell need game time and surely the final is the place to get them some. Even Ryan Taylor and David McInerney haven't featured to date and are allegedly back to full fitness.
One concern for Clare is that they don't think John Conlan has 70 minutes in him and a stand in centre back isn't Seadna Morey in all fairness. Conlan has played some hurling in the last year with club and county and he isn't getting any younger but he is their talisman and there's more to replacing him than just for his hurling!
David Fitzgerald is a beast of a hurler, size, speed and skill, Clare need him in the game a lot more, but what a weapon.
Championship is 25% faster than league. Touch and accuracy are far better. A loss like that may be better for Tipp in the long run if they are honest and want to learn from it.
Clare are probably better overall.
The provincial harness is unfair on Munster because there are 5 decent teams and in Leinster there aren't.
Quote from: seafoid on March 25, 2024, 04:26:22 PMQuote from: johnnycool on March 25, 2024, 09:02:34 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 24, 2024, 05:34:38 PM19 wides. 10 frees sent wide.
Clare went up the gears when needed but in general the standard of hurling was poor over the weekend and whilst it may not have looked like it the Down lads say there was quite a lot of sand on the pitch in Portlaoise which probably contributed to the bunching, inability to rise the ball first time etc etc which ensured the game didn't really have any pace to it.
Tipp will be concerned, unsure of the spine of their team, does Maher come out to 6, who goes back in to 3, centre forward is probably where they should be playing Bonnar Maher IMO but they to find a balance in there and lads who can get the most out of Forde and Morris who need the ball in early and in space to cause defences problems.
Clare content that they've a panel now going into championship but Kelly and O'Donnell need game time and surely the final is the place to get them some. Even Ryan Taylor and David McInerney haven't featured to date and are allegedly back to full fitness.
One concern for Clare is that they don't think John Conlan has 70 minutes in him and a stand in centre back isn't Seadna Morey in all fairness. Conlan has played some hurling in the last year with club and county and he isn't getting any younger but he is their talisman and there's more to replacing him than just for his hurling!
David Fitzgerald is a beast of a hurler, size, speed and skill, Clare need him in the game a lot more, but what a weapon.
Championship is 25% faster than league. Touch and accuracy are far better. A loss like that may be better for Tipp in the long run if they are honest and want to learn from it.
Clare are probably better overall.
The provincial harness is unfair on Munster because there are 5 decent teams and in Leinster there aren't.
Yet no one in Munster will ever question the fairness of the current format!
Quote from: johnnycool on March 25, 2024, 04:43:34 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 25, 2024, 04:26:22 PMQuote from: johnnycool on March 25, 2024, 09:02:34 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 24, 2024, 05:34:38 PM19 wides. 10 frees sent wide.
Clare went up the gears when needed but in general the standard of hurling was poor over the weekend and whilst it may not have looked like it the Down lads say there was quite a lot of sand on the pitch in Portlaoise which probably contributed to the bunching, inability to rise the ball first time etc etc which ensured the game didn't really have any pace to it.
Tipp will be concerned, unsure of the spine of their team, does Maher come out to 6, who goes back in to 3, centre forward is probably where they should be playing Bonnar Maher IMO but they to find a balance in there and lads who can get the most out of Forde and Morris who need the ball in early and in space to cause defences problems.
Clare content that they've a panel now going into championship but Kelly and O'Donnell need game time and surely the final is the place to get them some. Even Ryan Taylor and David McInerney haven't featured to date and are allegedly back to full fitness.
One concern for Clare is that they don't think John Conlan has 70 minutes in him and a stand in centre back isn't Seadna Morey in all fairness. Conlan has played some hurling in the last year with club and county and he isn't getting any younger but he is their talisman and there's more to replacing him than just for his hurling!
David Fitzgerald is a beast of a hurler, size, speed and skill, Clare need him in the game a lot more, but what a weapon.
Championship is 25% faster than league. Touch and accuracy are far better. A loss like that may be better for Tipp in the long run if they are honest and want to learn from it.
Clare are probably better overall.
The provincial harness is unfair on Munster because there are 5 decent teams and in Leinster there aren't.
Yet no one in Munster will ever question the fairness of the current format!
Whenever the first congress is where they review the new system there will probably be timber.
Cheddar, Colm O'rourke, Jim McGuinness and Colm Bonnar have all spoken with authority about the flaws of the system, , focusing on injuries, the lack of downtime and the fitness levels required.
Quote from: seafoid on March 27, 2024, 07:49:16 PMQuote from: johnnycool on March 25, 2024, 04:43:34 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 25, 2024, 04:26:22 PMQuote from: johnnycool on March 25, 2024, 09:02:34 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 24, 2024, 05:34:38 PM19 wides. 10 frees sent wide.
Clare went up the gears when needed but in general the standard of hurling was poor over the weekend and whilst it may not have looked like it the Down lads say there was quite a lot of sand on the pitch in Portlaoise which probably contributed to the bunching, inability to rise the ball first time etc etc which ensured the game didn't really have any pace to it.
Tipp will be concerned, unsure of the spine of their team, does Maher come out to 6, who goes back in to 3, centre forward is probably where they should be playing Bonnar Maher IMO but they to find a balance in there and lads who can get the most out of Forde and Morris who need the ball in early and in space to cause defences problems.
Clare content that they've a panel now going into championship but Kelly and O'Donnell need game time and surely the final is the place to get them some. Even Ryan Taylor and David McInerney haven't featured to date and are allegedly back to full fitness.
One concern for Clare is that they don't think John Conlan has 70 minutes in him and a stand in centre back isn't Seadna Morey in all fairness. Conlan has played some hurling in the last year with club and county and he isn't getting any younger but he is their talisman and there's more to replacing him than just for his hurling!
David Fitzgerald is a beast of a hurler, size, speed and skill, Clare need him in the game a lot more, but what a weapon.
Championship is 25% faster than league. Touch and accuracy are far better. A loss like that may be better for Tipp in the long run if they are honest and want to learn from it.
Clare are probably better overall.
The provincial harness is unfair on Munster because there are 5 decent teams and in Leinster there aren't.
Yet no one in Munster will ever question the fairness of the current format!
Whenever the first congress is where they review the new system there will probably be timber.
Cheddar, Colm O'rourke, Jim McGuinness and Colm Bonnar have all spoken with authority about the flaws of the system, , focusing on injuries, the lack of downtime and the fitness levels required.
Here's a novel idea:
Stop fleecing lads at trainings. Keep them fresh.
#lessismore
Quote from: marty34 on March 27, 2024, 07:56:57 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 27, 2024, 07:49:16 PMQuote from: johnnycool on March 25, 2024, 04:43:34 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 25, 2024, 04:26:22 PMQuote from: johnnycool on March 25, 2024, 09:02:34 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 24, 2024, 05:34:38 PM19 wides. 10 frees sent wide.
Clare went up the gears when needed but in general the standard of hurling was poor over the weekend and whilst it may not have looked like it the Down lads say there was quite a lot of sand on the pitch in Portlaoise which probably contributed to the bunching, inability to rise the ball first time etc etc which ensured the game didn't really have any pace to it.
Tipp will be concerned, unsure of the spine of their team, does Maher come out to 6, who goes back in to 3, centre forward is probably where they should be playing Bonnar Maher IMO but they to find a balance in there and lads who can get the most out of Forde and Morris who need the ball in early and in space to cause defences problems.
Clare content that they've a panel now going into championship but Kelly and O'Donnell need game time and surely the final is the place to get them some. Even Ryan Taylor and David McInerney haven't featured to date and are allegedly back to full fitness.
One concern for Clare is that they don't think John Conlan has 70 minutes in him and a stand in centre back isn't Seadna Morey in all fairness. Conlan has played some hurling in the last year with club and county and he isn't getting any younger but he is their talisman and there's more to replacing him than just for his hurling!
David Fitzgerald is a beast of a hurler, size, speed and skill, Clare need him in the game a lot more, but what a weapon.
Championship is 25% faster than league. Touch and accuracy are far better. A loss like that may be better for Tipp in the long run if they are honest and want to learn from it.
Clare are probably better overall.
The provincial harness is unfair on Munster because there are 5 decent teams and in Leinster there aren't.
Yet no one in Munster will ever question the fairness of the current format!
Whenever the first congress is where they review the new system there will probably be timber.
Cheddar, Colm O'rourke, Jim McGuinness and Colm Bonnar have all spoken with authority about the flaws of the system, , focusing on injuries, the lack of downtime and the fitness levels required.
Here's a novel idea:
Stop fleecing lads at trainings. Keep them fresh.
#lessismore
Correct!
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2024/0325/1439885-concern-over-tipperarys-free-for-all-approach/
McManus says that there are many puzzles for Cahill to solve if Tipp are to emerge from Munster, and the early season signs aren't overly positive.
He watched the Premier men coast past his native Antrim in the previous round of the league, but wasn't overly impressed by the victors, even allowing for the testing conditions at Corrigan Park on the day.
"They didn't shoot the lights out and they had plenty of their first team out on show," he said.
"I can't see where the goals are going to come from if Jake Morris isn't going to get them.
"I would worry for Tipperary. There is going to be an absolute dogfight in Munster for that third spot, between Waterford, Cork and Tipp as Clare and Limerick do look stronger than everybody else.
Paddy Deegan will have No6 on his back this Sunday, whether he stays there is another matter but expect Blanchfield to pick up Fitzgerald, probably the best suited KK defender for that particular job.
KK forwards probably as strong as it gets with maybe the exception of Drennan who'll get on at some point.
TJ will man the square and they'll drop ball in on him, no big secret in their gameplan there, but it will be interesting who Clare match up on him, Big Cleary is the obvious choice if TJ stays deep, if he wonders out a bit, and Cody goes in then Clare might need to reconsider, but I don't expect John Conlan to be too far away either way.
No sign of Tony Kelly, Clare either now feel confident they can win this game without him or the Munster Championship is more important to them, maybe they can do both.
My head says Clare but only a fool would write off Kilkenny to pip them.
A novel final (strangely) but looking forward to it. Both teams will take confidence away with a win, plus the extra game with intensity for their championships
Limerick will take stock and fine tune, still the team with 4 or 5 points better than the rest, will take a smash and grab effort (Wexford v Kilkenny comes to mind) to beat them but nothing impossible
Quote from: johnnycool on April 05, 2024, 11:40:38 AMPaddy Deegan will have No6 on his back this Sunday, whether he stays there is another matter but expect Blanchfield to pick up Fitzgerald, probably the best suited KK defender for that particular job.
KK forwards probably as strong as it gets with maybe the exception of Drennan who'll get on at some point.
TJ will man the square and they'll drop ball in on him, no big secret in their gameplan there, but it will be interesting who Clare match up on him, Big Cleary is the obvious choice if TJ stays deep, if he wonders out a bit, and Cody goes in then Clare might need to reconsider, but I don't expect John Conlan to be too far away either way.
No sign of Tony Kelly, Clare either now feel confident they can win this game without him or the Munster Championship is more important to them, maybe they can do both.
My head says Clare but only a fool would write off Kilkenny to pip them.
Kilkenny are not what they were. Clare should have enough to beat them.
Quote from: seafoid on April 05, 2024, 12:39:12 PMQuote from: johnnycool on April 05, 2024, 11:40:38 AMPaddy Deegan will have No6 on his back this Sunday, whether he stays there is another matter but expect Blanchfield to pick up Fitzgerald, probably the best suited KK defender for that particular job.
KK forwards probably as strong as it gets with maybe the exception of Drennan who'll get on at some point.
TJ will man the square and they'll drop ball in on him, no big secret in their gameplan there, but it will be interesting who Clare match up on him, Big Cleary is the obvious choice if TJ stays deep, if he wonders out a bit, and Cody goes in then Clare might need to reconsider, but I don't expect John Conlan to be too far away either way.
No sign of Tony Kelly, Clare either now feel confident they can win this game without him or the Munster Championship is more important to them, maybe they can do both.
My head says Clare but only a fool would write off Kilkenny to pip them.
Kilkenny are not what they were. Clare should have enough to beat them.
They certainly aren't but they know how to stay in the fight right to the end and Clare won't get it easy.
Did you watch the last 2 AI semi finals SF...
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 05, 2024, 12:56:43 PMDid you watch the last 2 AI semi finals SF...
I did
But Clare are on the way up and the odds are level so I think they are worth a win
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/hurling/national-hurling-league-division-1/winner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p5Lewbwp5c
Quote from: johnnycool on April 05, 2024, 12:55:06 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 05, 2024, 12:39:12 PMQuote from: johnnycool on April 05, 2024, 11:40:38 AMPaddy Deegan will have No6 on his back this Sunday, whether he stays there is another matter but expect Blanchfield to pick up Fitzgerald, probably the best suited KK defender for that particular job.
KK forwards probably as strong as it gets with maybe the exception of Drennan who'll get on at some point.
TJ will man the square and they'll drop ball in on him, no big secret in their gameplan there, but it will be interesting who Clare match up on him, Big Cleary is the obvious choice if TJ stays deep, if he wonders out a bit, and Cody goes in then Clare might need to reconsider, but I don't expect John Conlan to be too far away either way.
No sign of Tony Kelly, Clare either now feel confident they can win this game without him or the Munster Championship is more important to them, maybe they can do both.
My head says Clare but only a fool would write off Kilkenny to pip them.
Kilkenny are not what they were. Clare should have enough to beat them.
They certainly aren't but they know how to stay in the fight right to the end and Clare won't get it easy.
It should be a good match all right.
Quote from: seafoid on April 05, 2024, 01:26:39 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 05, 2024, 12:56:43 PMDid you watch the last 2 AI semi finals SF...
I did
But Clare are on the way up and the odds are level so I think they are worth a win
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/hurling/national-hurling-league-division-1/winner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p5Lewbwp5c
what has got better about them and worse about kk though?
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 05, 2024, 02:54:20 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 05, 2024, 01:26:39 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 05, 2024, 12:56:43 PMDid you watch the last 2 AI semi finals SF...
I did
But Clare are on the way up and the odds are level so I think they are worth a win
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/hurling/national-hurling-league-division-1/winner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p5Lewbwp5c
what has got better about them and worse about kk though?
Winning without Kelly I suppose is one thing. but they have some of that Lohan never say die steel about them
I'm not so sure about the steel thing - the biggest 2 tests they have had this last 2 years were the semi against KK and they failed.
Don't get me wrong I hope they win but KK are finished and Clare are on the up is not an opinion I would in any way agree with... Yes Clare faced up to Limerick better than KK did but ultimately KK have beat Clare when it counted.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 05, 2024, 03:20:50 PMI'm not so sure about the steel thing - the biggest 2 tests they have had this last 2 years were the semi against KK and they failed.
Don't get me wrong I hope they win but KK are finished and Clare are on the up is not an opinion I would in any way agree with... Yes Clare faced up to Limerick better than KK did but ultimately KK have beat Clare when it counted.
Clare lad on the Clare Hurlers forum responding to a comment in relation to Eddie Brennans prediction for Sunday.
History and success
every time they have played clare when it counted in the last 20 years they have won.
Not sure why should believe any different now
we have a better set of players than Kilkenny yet they won the last two all ireland semis.
why would this final be any different in their opinion?
Its up to us to change the narrative, until we do brennan is right
Yeah that is it in a nutshell. Absolutely no way should Clare have lost those last two but KK are extremely dogged and while they're not like a team from the Cody era they still have some superb hurlers in there too.
Ultimately they have been the second best team in the country this past 2 years and up to Clare to break that.
20 years a long time.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 05, 2024, 02:54:20 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 05, 2024, 01:26:39 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 05, 2024, 12:56:43 PMDid you watch the last 2 AI semi finals SF...
I did
But Clare are on the way up and the odds are level so I think they are worth a win
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/hurling/national-hurling-league-division-1/winner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p5Lewbwp5c
what has got better about them and worse about kk though?
Time. KK are a year older. They aren't getting younger.
Clare have had time to think about where they want to go . If they want to kick on they have the opportunity to show it. Tá siad ag teacht.
Kilkenny just ended a spell of l0 minutes without scoring Clare are more efficient. If KK lose it will be the 4th national final lost by Huw Lawlor in 12 months.
https://youtu.be/0ver0lMNMgw
Do you need to lose a limb to get a free here...
Clare deserved it.
Kk looked poor enough but still managed to stay in it to the end. Clare have a good spread of forwards appearing there even without Kelly.
Clare deserved it in the end I think. But the ref nearly handed the result to Kilkenny with the wrong decision to give Kilkenny a penalty and Rodgers a black card. Justice was done when Cody missed the penalty.
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 06, 2024, 09:05:38 PMClare deserved it in the end I think. But the ref nearly handed the result to Kilkenny with the wrong decision to give Kilkenny a penalty and Rodgers a black card. Justice was done when Cody missed the penalty.
You can give a penalty inside the 21 I thought
I think this is the 4th national final in a row that KK have lost.
Normally a team in such a situation would turn to the injection of youth but KK don't have a conveyor belt of talent available.
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 06, 2024, 09:09:43 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on April 06, 2024, 09:05:38 PMClare deserved it in the end I think. But the ref nearly handed the result to Kilkenny with the wrong decision to give Kilkenny a penalty and Rodgers a black card. Justice was done when Cody missed the penalty.
You can give a penalty inside the 21 I thought
The ball was passed away and fumbled by the receiving kilkenny player when there was accidental contact between Rodgers and the passing Kilkenny player. Not a penalty or a black card imho.
The penalty and black card is for cynical fouls only denying goal scoring chances inside the 20 yard line.
It would have been some injustice if Clare had lost the game coming down the strait. Especially as the ref looked to be giving the Cats plenty of assistance near the end.
Cody hitting the penalty down into the mud patch was a schoolboy error. TJ Reid would have put it high towards the top corner.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on April 07, 2024, 09:04:30 AMIt would have been some injustice if Clare had lost the game coming down the strait. Especially as the ref looked to be giving the Cats plenty of assistance near the end.
Cody hitting the penalty down into the mud patch was a schoolboy error. TJ Reid would have put it high towards the top corner.
In fairness he let Fitzgerald take close to 10 steps for his goal, you don't usually see a player being allowed to pause, cut inside (while still not taking a tap) and then continue
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on April 07, 2024, 09:04:30 AMIt would have been some injustice if Clare had lost the game coming down the strait. Especially as the ref looked to be giving the Cats plenty of assistance near the end.
Cody hitting the penalty down into the mud patch was a schoolboy error. TJ Reid would have put it high towards the top corner.
That's the Kilkenny problem in a nutshell. It takes years to develop a TJ Reid or a Johnny Sexton.
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 07, 2024, 11:26:23 AMQuote from: Bord na Mona man on April 07, 2024, 09:04:30 AMIt would have been some injustice if Clare had lost the game coming down the strait. Especially as the ref looked to be giving the Cats plenty of assistance near the end.
Cody hitting the penalty down into the mud patch was a schoolboy error. TJ Reid would have put it high towards the top corner.
In fairness he let Fitzgerald take close to 10 steps for his goal, you don't usually see a player being allowed to pause, cut inside (while still not taking a tap) and then continue
He's a serious man for taking 10 steps.
In fairness, easily the best player in the National League this year. Clare will be hoping he keeps this run of form up. With David Mc Enerney, Shanagher and O'Donnell off the bench last night Clare are working on developing their panel. Just need them injury free as Munster will be tough.
Lohan needed the win last night to justify his work. Well deserved. Were the better team throughout. Clare were hungry and aggressive and in Mc Carthy and Duggan, they have good outlets up top.
Malone works hard in mid-field, Cleary is an old style full-back with Hogan developing into a super man marker/cornerback. With TK to come back, they'll by boosted for Munster.
KK were disappointing although they still have that never say die spirit. They seemed to be off the boil a bit e.g. Blanchfield missing the pick twice for Clare's goal. Simple stuff.
Cody's penalty was poorly struck in the marsh. Who know what would have happened if it went in but they didn't deserve it.
TJ was a big miss as on out bll at full-forward although Mossy Keoghan showed really well when introduced - 3 points I think.
Quote from: marty34 on April 07, 2024, 12:25:20 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on April 07, 2024, 11:26:23 AMQuote from: Bord na Mona man on April 07, 2024, 09:04:30 AMIt would have been some injustice if Clare had lost the game coming down the strait. Especially as the ref looked to be giving the Cats plenty of assistance near the end.
Cody hitting the penalty down into the mud patch was a schoolboy error. TJ Reid would have put it high towards the top corner.
In fairness he let Fitzgerald take close to 10 steps for his goal, you don't usually see a player being allowed to pause, cut inside (while still not taking a tap) and then continue
He's a serious man for taking 10 steps.
In fairness, easily the best player in the National League this year. Clare will be hoping he keeps this run of form up. With David Mc Enerney, Shanagher and O'Donnell off the bench last night Clare are working on developing their panel. Just need them injury free as Munster will be tough.
Lohan needed the win last night to justify his work. Well deserved. Were the better team throughout. Clare were hungry and aggressive and in Mc Carthy and Duggan, they have good outlets up top.
Malone works hard in mid-field, Cleary is an old style full-back with Hogan developing into a super man marker/cornerback. With TK to come back, they'll by boosted for Munster.
KK were disappointing although they still have that never say die spirit. They seemed to be off the boil a bit e.g. Blanchfield missing the pick twice for Clare's goal. Simple stuff.
Cody's penalty was poorly struck in the marsh. Who know what would have happened if it went in but they didn't deserve it.
TJ was a big miss as on out bll at full-forward although Mossy Keoghan showed really well when introduced - 3 points I think.
KK were/ are poor I dont see anything improving them drastically as the championship gets going. TJ will slightly but think he is on the other side of it.
They seem to be producing the same type of player at the moment with nothing really standing out.
Quote from: NAG1 on April 08, 2024, 10:13:08 AMQuote from: marty34 on April 07, 2024, 12:25:20 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on April 07, 2024, 11:26:23 AMQuote from: Bord na Mona man on April 07, 2024, 09:04:30 AMIt would have been some injustice if Clare had lost the game coming down the strait. Especially as the ref looked to be giving the Cats plenty of assistance near the end.
Cody hitting the penalty down into the mud patch was a schoolboy error. TJ Reid would have put it high towards the top corner.
In fairness he let Fitzgerald take close to 10 steps for his goal, you don't usually see a player being allowed to pause, cut inside (while still not taking a tap) and then continue
He's a serious man for taking 10 steps.
In fairness, easily the best player in the National League this year. Clare will be hoping he keeps this run of form up. With David Mc Enerney, Shanagher and O'Donnell off the bench last night Clare are working on developing their panel. Just need them injury free as Munster will be tough.
Lohan needed the win last night to justify his work. Well deserved. Were the better team throughout. Clare were hungry and aggressive and in Mc Carthy and Duggan, they have good outlets up top.
Malone works hard in mid-field, Cleary is an old style full-back with Hogan developing into a super man marker/cornerback. With TK to come back, they'll by boosted for Munster.
KK were disappointing although they still have that never say die spirit. They seemed to be off the boil a bit e.g. Blanchfield missing the pick twice for Clare's goal. Simple stuff.
Cody's penalty was poorly struck in the marsh. Who know what would have happened if it went in but they didn't deserve it.
TJ was a big miss as on out bll at full-forward although Mossy Keoghan showed really well when introduced - 3 points I think.
KK were/ are poor I dont see anything improving them drastically as the championship gets going. TJ will slightly but think he is on the other side of it.
They seem to be producing the same type of player at the moment with nothing really standing out.
They used to be able to freak teams out just by turning up. They have savage workrate but they don't have the players any more.
Clare had more energy.
Clare outworked them for sure, but they also have better and a variety of different types of hurler from what I saw.
Hopefully this Clare team aren't left ruing the fact of running into one of the best teams ever to be produced at their peak.
Only got round to watching the game yesterday.
Clare were much the better team over the 70 minutes especially the period after half time when they went 7 points up and looked to be well in control, but Kilkenny kept in the battle, some softish frees helped but also they're just never beat right till the end and TBH apart from the non penalty miss they'd a few chances for goals that were spurned.
Mossy Keoghan one on one with Rory Hayes in injury time, Hayes marshalled him well but I'd have expected a bit more vigor from Keoghan and he simply just tapped it over the bar.
No way Eddie Brennan or most of the KK forwards from that era would have done that with the game still to be won.
Clare looked good, but their dominance needs to be reflected on the scoreboard and they failed to keep the effort up over the whole second half, that is a potential worry for them.
Much being made of young Adam Hogan "buying" frees on social media, from what I see he does duck down in the tackle, but the bottom line is that there's nowhere in the rule book saying you can throw your spare arm out and around a player who's trying to get passed you.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 10, 2024, 10:11:43 AMOnly got round to watching the game yesterday.
Clare were much the better team over the 70 minutes especially the period after half time when they went 7 points up and looked to be well in control, but Kilkenny kept in the battle, some softish frees helped but also they're just never beat right till the end and TBH apart from the non penalty miss they'd a few chances for goals that were spurned.
Mossy Keoghan one on one with Rory Hayes in injury time, Hayes marshalled him well but I'd have expected a bit more vigor from Keoghan and he simply just tapped it over the bar.
No way Eddie Brennan or most of the KK forwards from that era would have done that with the game still to be won.
Clare looked good, but their dominance needs to be reflected on the scoreboard and they failed to keep the effort up over the whole second half, that is a potential worry for them.
Much being made of young Adam Hogan "buying" frees on social media, from what I see he does duck down in the tackle, but the bottom line is that there's nowhere in the rule book saying you can throw your spare arm out and around a player who's trying to get passed you.
Don't know why he is being singled out, every single player is at the same malarky. It is actually getting hard to watch, players running into a tackle and throwing the arms up to try and buy a free.
I guess there has to be more discipline by the tackler not to leave a loose arm in, but the refs need to start copping on to it as well.
Quote from: NAG1 on April 10, 2024, 10:20:15 AMQuote from: johnnycool on April 10, 2024, 10:11:43 AMOnly got round to watching the game yesterday.
Clare were much the better team over the 70 minutes especially the period after half time when they went 7 points up and looked to be well in control, but Kilkenny kept in the battle, some softish frees helped but also they're just never beat right till the end and TBH apart from the non penalty miss they'd a few chances for goals that were spurned.
Mossy Keoghan one on one with Rory Hayes in injury time, Hayes marshalled him well but I'd have expected a bit more vigor from Keoghan and he simply just tapped it over the bar.
No way Eddie Brennan or most of the KK forwards from that era would have done that with the game still to be won.
Clare looked good, but their dominance needs to be reflected on the scoreboard and they failed to keep the effort up over the whole second half, that is a potential worry for them.
Much being made of young Adam Hogan "buying" frees on social media, from what I see he does duck down in the tackle, but the bottom line is that there's nowhere in the rule book saying you can throw your spare arm out and around a player who's trying to get passed you.
Don't know why he is being singled out, every single player is at the same malarky. It is actually getting hard to watch, players running into a tackle and throwing the arms up to try and buy a free.
I guess there has to be more discipline by the tackler not to leave a loose arm in, but the refs need to start copping on to it as well.
The loose arm is a lazy tackle which has been tolerated at this level for a decade and more.
Now the likes of Kinnerk and the other specialist coaches will have to come up with something else to counteract the dip in the tackle which means the arm/hurl is around a players neck or head.
It's a football tackle, you can only tackle the ball, certainly stand your ground but as Johnny says, its lazy and most ref's will assess whether or not the defender has used his arm illegally
"Hurling referees have been advised to be mindful of players ducking into tackles in an attempt to win frees. Examples of recent league games were provided to officials of decisions going in favour of those who were simulating the fouls.
Across both codes, referees have been given the following checklist to factor in when considering to send off a player for a head-high tackle: if a contact is made to opponent's head, if the opponent has no opportunity to protect himself, if contact/impact is excessive or causes injury, if the elbow/forearm/shoulder is part of the contact, if the player making contact jumps or has been two feet off the ground, if the player making contact had a realistic alternative by way of challenging opponent and to the direction and distance covered by the player who makes contact."
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41375074.html
At least the powers that be have copped on to it. It's still hard for a ref to spot in real time.
Quote from: Dag Dog on April 16, 2024, 10:55:18 AM"Hurling referees have been advised to be mindful of players ducking into tackles in an attempt to win frees. Examples of recent league games were provided to officials of decisions going in favour of those who were simulating the fouls.
Across both codes, referees have been given the following checklist to factor in when considering to send off a player for a head-high tackle: if a contact is made to opponent's head, if the opponent has no opportunity to protect himself, if contact/impact is excessive or causes injury, if the elbow/forearm/shoulder is part of the contact, if the player making contact jumps or has been two feet off the ground, if the player making contact had a realistic alternative by way of challenging opponent and to the direction and distance covered by the player who makes contact."
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41375074.html
It's going like rugby that players must have a 'duty of care' to other players in the tackle.
That's a good thing in my opinion. Anything hit around the head is dangerous.
Quote from: marty34 on April 16, 2024, 12:22:51 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on April 16, 2024, 10:55:18 AM"Hurling referees have been advised to be mindful of players ducking into tackles in an attempt to win frees. Examples of recent league games were provided to officials of decisions going in favour of those who were simulating the fouls.
Across both codes, referees have been given the following checklist to factor in when considering to send off a player for a head-high tackle: if a contact is made to opponent's head, if the opponent has no opportunity to protect himself, if contact/impact is excessive or causes injury, if the elbow/forearm/shoulder is part of the contact, if the player making contact jumps or has been two feet off the ground, if the player making contact had a realistic alternative by way of challenging opponent and to the direction and distance covered by the player who makes contact."
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41375074.html
It's going like rugby that players must have a 'duty of care' to other players in the tackle.
That's a good thing in my opinion. Anything hit around the head is dangerous.
You'll be looking for mitigating circumstances etc etc as well now ;D
Quote from: johnnycool on April 16, 2024, 02:30:03 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 16, 2024, 12:22:51 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on April 16, 2024, 10:55:18 AM"Hurling referees have been advised to be mindful of players ducking into tackles in an attempt to win frees. Examples of recent league games were provided to officials of decisions going in favour of those who were simulating the fouls.
Across both codes, referees have been given the following checklist to factor in when considering to send off a player for a head-high tackle: if a contact is made to opponent's head, if the opponent has no opportunity to protect himself, if contact/impact is excessive or causes injury, if the elbow/forearm/shoulder is part of the contact, if the player making contact jumps or has been two feet off the ground, if the player making contact had a realistic alternative by way of challenging opponent and to the direction and distance covered by the player who makes contact."
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41375074.html
It's going like rugby that players must have a 'duty of care' to other players in the tackle.
That's a good thing in my opinion. Anything hit around the head is dangerous.
You'll be looking for mitigating circumstances etc etc as well now ;D
Maybe a TMO JC? :)
Quote from: johnnycool on April 16, 2024, 02:30:03 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 16, 2024, 12:22:51 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on April 16, 2024, 10:55:18 AM"Hurling referees have been advised to be mindful of players ducking into tackles in an attempt to win frees. Examples of recent league games were provided to officials of decisions going in favour of those who were simulating the fouls.
Across both codes, referees have been given the following checklist to factor in when considering to send off a player for a head-high tackle: if a contact is made to opponent's head, if the opponent has no opportunity to protect himself, if contact/impact is excessive or causes injury, if the elbow/forearm/shoulder is part of the contact, if the player making contact jumps or has been two feet off the ground, if the player making contact had a realistic alternative by way of challenging opponent and to the direction and distance covered by the player who makes contact."
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41375074.html
It's going like rugby that players must have a 'duty of care' to other players in the tackle.
That's a good thing in my opinion. Anything hit around the head is dangerous.
You'll be looking for mitigating circumstances etc etc as well now ;D
Been saying this for a while now, players have a duty of care, granted and currently there are pitches out there that do not lend themselves to preventing lads sliding in or slipping underfoot that may cause 'accidental' albeit fouls still, but applying common sense ;) should help
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 17, 2024, 09:07:53 AMQuote from: johnnycool on April 16, 2024, 02:30:03 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 16, 2024, 12:22:51 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on April 16, 2024, 10:55:18 AM"Hurling referees have been advised to be mindful of players ducking into tackles in an attempt to win frees. Examples of recent league games were provided to officials of decisions going in favour of those who were simulating the fouls.
Across both codes, referees have been given the following checklist to factor in when considering to send off a player for a head-high tackle: if a contact is made to opponent's head, if the opponent has no opportunity to protect himself, if contact/impact is excessive or causes injury, if the elbow/forearm/shoulder is part of the contact, if the player making contact jumps or has been two feet off the ground, if the player making contact had a realistic alternative by way of challenging opponent and to the direction and distance covered by the player who makes contact."
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41375074.html
It's going like rugby that players must have a 'duty of care' to other players in the tackle.
That's a good thing in my opinion. Anything hit around the head is dangerous.
You'll be looking for mitigating circumstances etc etc as well now ;D
Been saying this for a while now, players have a duty of care, granted and currently there are pitches out there that do not lend themselves to preventing lads sliding in or slipping underfoot that may cause 'accidental' albeit fouls still, but applying common sense ;) should help
From your experience if someone has the ball and is faced with a defender standing with their arms and hurl out, player in possession of the ball dips down and the arm/hurl of the defender is now around their neck and head, do you give them the foul or do you play on?
Quote from: johnnycool on April 17, 2024, 10:53:52 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 17, 2024, 09:07:53 AMQuote from: johnnycool on April 16, 2024, 02:30:03 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 16, 2024, 12:22:51 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on April 16, 2024, 10:55:18 AM"Hurling referees have been advised to be mindful of players ducking into tackles in an attempt to win frees. Examples of recent league games were provided to officials of decisions going in favour of those who were simulating the fouls.
Across both codes, referees have been given the following checklist to factor in when considering to send off a player for a head-high tackle: if a contact is made to opponent's head, if the opponent has no opportunity to protect himself, if contact/impact is excessive or causes injury, if the elbow/forearm/shoulder is part of the contact, if the player making contact jumps or has been two feet off the ground, if the player making contact had a realistic alternative by way of challenging opponent and to the direction and distance covered by the player who makes contact."
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41375074.html
It's going like rugby that players must have a 'duty of care' to other players in the tackle.
That's a good thing in my opinion. Anything hit around the head is dangerous.
You'll be looking for mitigating circumstances etc etc as well now ;D
Been saying this for a while now, players have a duty of care, granted and currently there are pitches out there that do not lend themselves to preventing lads sliding in or slipping underfoot that may cause 'accidental' albeit fouls still, but applying common sense ;) should help
From your experience if someone has the ball and is faced with a defender standing with their arms and hurl out, player in possession of the ball dips down and the arm/hurl of the defender is now around their neck and head, do you give them the foul or do you play on?
It really depends on how I feel that particular incident happens, while I'm not or should be judgmental of certain players but having been around the block as a player and ref for so many years I think I'm a good judge on intent, accident, looking for a free or basically someone being stronger and preventing someone from getting by .
Thats my call, only one whistle and I've got use my experience on it. Fine lines though
Shane O'Donnell and Adam Hogan great at 'winning' frees this way. Raising their hands high in the tackle and the ref. gives them a free.
Quote from: marty34 on April 17, 2024, 12:28:48 PMShane O'Donnell and Adam Hogan great at 'winning' frees this way. Raising their hands high in the tackle and the ref. gives them a free.
Some players, two in particular in Antrim play in a forceful forward combative way that try's to draw frees, they ain't charging but I can see how a ref may feel player is being infringed, but that's their style. Play on for me
Quote from: marty34 on April 17, 2024, 12:28:48 PMShane O'Donnell and Adam Hogan great at 'winning' frees this way. Raising their hands high in the tackle and the ref. gives them a free.
And Eoin Cody, and Conor Whelan and half the Cork team and Cathal Barrett and I could go on...
If the defender isn't tackling lawfully which is the first issue being ignored by all and sundry then of course players are going to engineer fouls out if it.
Fix the first problem and then other problems like overcarrying, head high tackling, dipping in the tackle go away.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 18, 2024, 09:25:49 AMQuote from: marty34 on April 17, 2024, 12:28:48 PMShane O'Donnell and Adam Hogan great at 'winning' frees this way. Raising their hands high in the tackle and the ref. gives them a free.
And Eoin Cody, and Conor Whelan and half the Cork team and Cathal Barrett and I could go on...
If the defender isn't tackling lawfully which is the first issue being ignored by all and sundry then of course players are going to engineer fouls out if it.
Fix the first problem and then other problems like overcarrying, head high tackling, dipping in the tackle go away.
Did a game last night, pitch conditions meant that lads would be losing their balance and slipping or sliding in and out of tackles, granted high summer (whenever that is) pitches firm up and that gives me less hassle.
Lads were looking frees for sliding in to collect the ball saying they were pushed, they initiated the slide first, play on, due to the heavy conditions players were being 'held' up more, again, no obvious free like arms being pulled shirts being pulled and so on, if he doesn't release the ball he'll over carry it.
In these incidents the cry is there all over him! There could be 15 players all over him, if there is no actual free being committed then play on.
As you say Johnny, get the first free, it depends on your interpretation of that first free lol
As frustrating as it is, sometimes there is not that obvious free so playing on is the best option
Not all tackles are frees, clear as mud
Did my first game with the new rule that if a physio comes on to the pitch and player removes his helmet he has to leave the pitch and can only come on in a break of play.. They had no idea!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2024, 01:56:50 PMQuote from: johnnycool on April 18, 2024, 09:25:49 AMQuote from: marty34 on April 17, 2024, 12:28:48 PMShane O'Donnell and Adam Hogan great at 'winning' frees this way. Raising their hands high in the tackle and the ref. gives them a free.
And Eoin Cody, and Conor Whelan and half the Cork team and Cathal Barrett and I could go on...
If the defender isn't tackling lawfully which is the first issue being ignored by all and sundry then of course players are going to engineer fouls out if it.
Fix the first problem and then other problems like overcarrying, head high tackling, dipping in the tackle go away.
Did a game last night, pitch conditions meant that lads would be losing their balance and slipping or sliding in and out of tackles, granted high summer (whenever that is) pitches firm up and that gives me less hassle.
Lads were looking frees for sliding in to collect the ball saying they were pushed, they initiated the slide first, play on, due to the heavy conditions players were being 'held' up more, again, no obvious free like arms being pulled shirts being pulled and so on, if he doesn't release the ball he'll over carry it.
In these incidents the cry is there all over him! There could be 15 players all over him, if there is no actual free being committed then play on.
As you say Johnny, get the first free, it depends on your interpretation of that first free lol
As frustrating as it is, sometimes there is not that obvious free so playing on is the best option
Not all tackles are frees, clear as mud
Did my first game with the new rule that if a physio comes on to the pitch and player removes his helmet he has to leave the pitch and can only come on in a break of play.. They had no idea!!
The following is the guidance provided, injured players. We should communicated the guidance to medical and management teams if they enquire about implementation.
1. If a Doctor or \physio comes on to the field of play to treat or access an injured player we will not be instructing them to leave the field of play.
2. We will allow treatment on the field of play - however if this necessitates a stoppage in play, this will,
(a) be added on to the allotted time and
(b) any player treated on the field of play will need to come off and return to the field of play at the centre point of the sideline, after a break in play.
3. Just to inform you also after the meeting of Central Council the goalkeepers will be treated the same as every other player. In other words he also has to leave the field and come back on at the centre point of the sideline.
4. This also applies to removal of the helmet in hurling.It's not just the removal of the helmet though, it's if you've to stop the play to allow a physio on at all.
"It's not just the removal of the helmet though, it's if you've to stop the play to allow a physio on at all."
If I have to stop play.
Though if a physio comes on and can administer a spray while play continues I'm happy with that, should I have to blow the whistle and the player requires assistance they have to go off, now seeing as it was my first real go at it, I waved the player on rather than waiting for a break, he was genuinely hurt from a tackle from the other team, its a bit unfair surely to disadvantage them twice?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2024, 04:45:00 PM"It's not just the removal of the helmet though, it's if you've to stop the play to allow a physio on at all."
If I have to stop play.
Though if a physio comes on and can administer a spray while play continues I'm happy with that, should I have to blow the whistle and the player requires assistance they have to go off, now seeing as it was my first real go at it, I waved the player on rather than waiting for a break, he was genuinely hurt from a tackle from the other team, its a bit unfair surely to disadvantage them twice?
But is that not wrong, going by them new rules?
Quote from: marty34 on April 18, 2024, 04:59:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2024, 04:45:00 PM"It's not just the removal of the helmet though, it's if you've to stop the play to allow a physio on at all."
If I have to stop play.
Though if a physio comes on and can administer a spray while play continues I'm happy with that, should I have to blow the whistle and the player requires assistance they have to go off, now seeing as it was my first real go at it, I waved the player on rather than waiting for a break, he was genuinely hurt from a tackle from the other team, its a bit unfair surely to disadvantage them twice?
But is that not wrong, going by them new rules?
Completely
Bitta common sense needs to be applied and while I'm not against following it to the letter, sometimes it's actually counterproductive and not serving the reason why it's introduced
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2024, 06:27:14 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 18, 2024, 04:59:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2024, 04:45:00 PM"It's not just the removal of the helmet though, it's if you've to stop the play to allow a physio on at all."
If I have to stop play.
Though if a physio comes on and can administer a spray while play continues I'm happy with that, should I have to blow the whistle and the player requires assistance they have to go off, now seeing as it was my first real go at it, I waved the player on rather than waiting for a break, he was genuinely hurt from a tackle from the other team, its a bit unfair surely to disadvantage them twice?
But is that not wrong, going by them new rules?
Completely
Bitta common sense needs to be applied and while I'm not against following it to the letter, sometimes it's actually counterproductive and not serving the reason why it's introduced
No, I totally agree with you.
It'll be interesting to see what happens in big games during the summer.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2024, 06:27:14 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 18, 2024, 04:59:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2024, 04:45:00 PM"It's not just the removal of the helmet though, it's if you've to stop the play to allow a physio on at all."
If I have to stop play.
Though if a physio comes on and can administer a spray while play continues I'm happy with that, should I have to blow the whistle and the player requires assistance they have to go off, now seeing as it was my first real go at it, I waved the player on rather than waiting for a break, he was genuinely hurt from a tackle from the other team, its a bit unfair surely to disadvantage them twice?
But is that not wrong, going by them new rules?
Completely
Bitta common sense needs to be applied and while I'm not against following it to the letter, sometimes it's actually counterproductive and not serving the reason why it's introduced
The reason for the new rules is to prevent cynical playacting, faking injuries to slow the game down like nicky quaid getting something in his eye last year.
If its genuine then it's harsh but if they're acting the bollox then I'd make them wait for the next break in play.
Quote from: johnnycool on April 18, 2024, 10:18:41 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2024, 06:27:14 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 18, 2024, 04:59:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2024, 04:45:00 PM"It's not just the removal of the helmet though, it's if you've to stop the play to allow a physio on at all."
If I have to stop play.
Though if a physio comes on and can administer a spray while play continues I'm happy with that, should I have to blow the whistle and the player requires assistance they have to go off, now seeing as it was my first real go at it, I waved the player on rather than waiting for a break, he was genuinely hurt from a tackle from the other team, its a bit unfair surely to disadvantage them twice?
But is that not wrong, going by them new rules?
Completely
Bitta common sense needs to be applied and while I'm not against following it to the letter, sometimes it's actually counterproductive and not serving the reason why it's introduced
The reason for the new rules is to prevent cynical playacting, faking injuries to slow the game down like nicky quaid getting something in his eye last year.
If its genuine then it's harsh but if they're acting the bollox then I'd make them wait for the next break in play.
This rule was apparently amended during the week, to include the goalkeeper! Doesn't make much sense.
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on April 18, 2024, 10:29:23 PMQuote from: johnnycool on April 18, 2024, 10:18:41 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2024, 06:27:14 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 18, 2024, 04:59:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2024, 04:45:00 PM"It's not just the removal of the helmet though, it's if you've to stop the play to allow a physio on at all."
If I have to stop play.
Though if a physio comes on and can administer a spray while play continues I'm happy with that, should I have to blow the whistle and the player requires assistance they have to go off, now seeing as it was my first real go at it, I waved the player on rather than waiting for a break, he was genuinely hurt from a tackle from the other team, its a bit unfair surely to disadvantage them twice?
But is that not wrong, going by them new rules?
Completely
Bitta common sense needs to be applied and while I'm not against following it to the letter, sometimes it's actually counterproductive and not serving the reason why it's introduced
The reason for the new rules is to prevent cynical playacting, faking injuries to slow the game down like nicky quaid getting something in his eye last year.
If its genuine then it's harsh but if they're acting the bollox then I'd make them wait for the next break in play.
This rule was apparently amended during the week, to include the goalkeeper! Doesn't make much sense.
I said that a few weeks ago that to circumvent all this is for the keeper to go down. The rule didn't mention keepers.
I'd make it another player must stand i goals and team down to 14 players until next break in play.
Quote from: marty34 on April 18, 2024, 11:06:24 PMQuote from: Delgany 2nds on April 18, 2024, 10:29:23 PMQuote from: johnnycool on April 18, 2024, 10:18:41 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2024, 06:27:14 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 18, 2024, 04:59:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2024, 04:45:00 PM"It's not just the removal of the helmet though, it's if you've to stop the play to allow a physio on at all."
If I have to stop play.
Though if a physio comes on and can administer a spray while play continues I'm happy with that, should I have to blow the whistle and the player requires assistance they have to go off, now seeing as it was my first real go at it, I waved the player on rather than waiting for a break, he was genuinely hurt from a tackle from the other team, its a bit unfair surely to disadvantage them twice?
But is that not wrong, going by them new rules?
Completely
Bitta common sense needs to be applied and while I'm not against following it to the letter, sometimes it's actually counterproductive and not serving the reason why it's introduced
The reason for the new rules is to prevent cynical playacting, faking injuries to slow the game down like nicky quaid getting something in his eye last year.
If its genuine then it's harsh but if they're acting the bollox then I'd make them wait for the next break in play.
This rule was apparently amended during the week, to include the goalkeeper! Doesn't make much sense.
I said that a few weeks ago that to circumvent all this is for the keeper to go down. The rule didn't mention keepers.
I'd make it another player must stand i goals and team down to 14 players until next break in play.
That is what is meant to happen even if there's a penalty to be taken, if the keeper receives treatment from the incident that led to the penalty being given they too need to leave the field of play until the next break in play or in MR2's case when he waves him back on...
;D
Those frankies never were ones for following the rules.
The biggest problem I see with this is some players in the heat of the game will wave away any medical attention so that they can stay on the pitch, which in turn will lead to missed concussions or other injuries
The common sense approach would be for the team that has a player waiting to come on would be to knock the ball outta play as soon as possible so their player can come straight back on
Be some gurning soon especially come championship
Jesus what a mistake by the umpire there in the U-20 game, Tipp keeper pushed the ball into the net there and no goal given
I saw that, some howler by the umpire.
Also at the conclusion of the same game, a Cork player was through on goal just outside the penalty area and was taken out by the defender. There was no black card or penalty given. I assume they are not given at under 20 level. Cork pointed the free.
Tipp went straight down the field and scored the winning point. Cork had a lot of wides. They left it behind them.
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 24, 2024, 09:28:23 PMI saw that, some howler by the umpire.
Also at the conclusion of the same game, a Cork player was through on goal just outside the penalty area and was taken out by the defender. There was no black card or penalty given. I assume they are not given at under 20 level. Cork pointed the free.
Tipp went straight down the field and scored the winning point. Cork had a lot of wides. They left it behind them.
Cork had too many wides, especially in the second half.
'Goal' for Cork was poor by the umpire. Should there be a lad watching the game on a tv in a room to tell the ref. ..kind of VAR? That was a clear goal at a crucial time in a Munster Final
With that and minors winning Munster, Tipp are not too bad off. Like Kilkenny and Cork, they'll always have the hurlers.
Just looking at a few posts above, the rule about a player coming off/physio on seems to have passed by the wayside.
That is a sickening thing for Cork, it really is tough on teams, unfortunately those mistakes do happen, I've been on the end of those as a ref when the call or no call from the umpire results in controversy.
There's no play back and no immediate response as play continues.
In televised games if it's obvious, from an instant view on tv, then with ref's mic'd up he can be told to blow his whistle, walk very slowly towards his umpires, and a fourth or a fifth behind the scenes official has a look at the monitor.
He can rubber stamp the call and the right call is made.
People complaining about umpires size and sight, on occasions you are looking to see the ball go over the bar or if someone is stepping into the square or you blink and miss it.
The ref is only as good as the team around him! He'll carry the can for that one
A great article here by Conor Neville of RTÉ about the history and current standing of the two hurling championships - Munster and Leinster. A good few counties, in Munster anyway (and Ger Loughnane, quelle surprise :o ), were initially against it but credit where credit's due, it has been a masterstroke by the GAA to use that league system in the hurling championship.
The only issue I would have is the Mc Donagh finalists getting a place in the knock-out stages but I understand why it's done.
Despite occasional predictions to the contrary, at the end of the fifth edition of the provincial league format in the hurling championship, there's no sign of staleness creeping in.
It's a mark of the wild success of the round-robin that the primary complaint is not enough of the games are on telly.
This is in contrast with the football championship where a sizable portion of the community are still waiting for it to start.
Fielding queries from casual followers on the football format is one of the banes of our modern existence here. At this stage, there is surely call for an 'are they out now, or what?' helpline that non-internet savvy folk can ring up where they can receive an answer yay or nay. (Can be an automated 'nay' response until the final round of the group phase).
It's hard to credit now that the current hurling structure was hastily voted through as a panicked measure in response to the introduction of the Super 8 format in Gaelic football.
It's even harder to credit that a majority of First World hurling counties were staunchly opposed to its introduction and it only passed the 60% threshold on the strength of the votes from wholly uninterested football counties, who were blasé enough to be leant on by Central Council.
On the day of the vote in September 2017, Ger Loughnane speculated that the provincial league system had been devised by someone intent on "destroying hurling completely" and echoed the common refrain that the association should rename itself the GFA.
Eight months later, Ger, seemingly much taken by the fact that Offaly were about to get relegated, performed a dramatic volte face, declaring the system the best that had ever been put in place for hurling.
It should be better remembered that the format which has launched the Munster hurling championship, in particular, into a new stratosphere in terms of hype and public interest was rejected out of hand by all of the competing counties, bar Limerick (Waterford labelled the format "crazy"). The ultimate testament to hurling's love affair with the status quo at any and all times.
The 2024 campaign may have been the most democratic yet. Rarely have we entered the final round of games with so much still uncertain.
Last Sunday brought more blood and thunder and scenes of wild anarchy, in Ennis at least, and teed things up for the final weekend beautifully.
Clare snatched a vital win over an impressively resilient Waterford thanks to a contested last-gasp '65, which triggered the usual crowd scene around the ref at the final whistle.
In a new departure in the field of referee criticism, aggrieved Waterford fans largely accepted the call was the correct one but objected to the methodology used.
A tedious tack to take, for sure, but also a rather sophisticated one. They reacted to the umpire's raised arm the way a sceptical Maths teacher might to a lad who had just written down the right answer to a complex equation without showing any evidence of his workings. No, no, no. Not good enough. Do it properly.
As usual, the officials' correctness proved a flimsy defence against the angry mob. While Davy Fitz bawled out the unfortunate referee Liam Gordon at full-time, one Déise backroom team member was anxious that all post-match interactions take place out of the public glare, and slapped away the RTÉ lens as if it were a TMZ camera phone confronting a Hollywood actress leaving a restaurant.
Despite the unpleasantness after the game last weekend, it's been a positive campaign for the Waterford hurlers, who've finally come to the party in the Munster SHC round-robin. In the end, they may have cause to regret their failure to bury a poor Tipp side in Round 2, though a result of any sort will likely sneak them into the top-three for the first time. A win could even do the unthinkable and dump the five-in-a-row chasers out of the championship before they get sight of Croke Park.
Tipperary, shockinngly, have taken Waterford's previously allotted role as competition whipping boys. It's all looking a bit late '70s/ early '80s for Tipp these days. They are at such a low ebb currently that they allowed the always voluble Cork hurling fraternity stage a private party in their own stadium last Sunday.
Meanwhile, a rejuvenated Cork could yet be helpless to prevent their own elimination should Limerick and Waterford wind up in a draw this afternoon, and the game in Thurles goes to form. Should it come to pass, the allegations of a stitch-up will reverberate for a while and on Leeside, they'll presumably forever affix an asterisk on this year's All-Ireland.
Engineering a draw in so free-scoring a game as hurling is a bit of a stretch and absurdly risky at that, though Davy is nothing if not an innovator. Limerick will not want to be next nigh or near that scenario coming down the stretch. And if Waterford are in possession and the scores are level in the dying seconds, they'll hardly be able to resist the temptation to take Limerick out of the reckoning - not to mention propel themselves into a Munster final - by having a pot from halfway.
None of which is to say the game won't end as a draw regardless of either team's intentions. It promises to be a nervy afternoon for Cork. GAA fans haven't always been quickest on the uptake regarding permutations but Cork fans were fully apprised of the significance of last weekend's game in Ennis and there were relieved cheers reported in the bars around Thurles when Rodgers' 65 split the posts.
Davy Fitz has been here before... Back in 2019, the Galway backroom team clustered around a mobile phone in the dugout after their final day loss at Parnell Park to watch the final minutes of the simultaneous Wexford-Kilkenny game. Top of the table at throw-in, only a draw in Wexford could have eliminated them. It duly happened.
The 2019 finale, and even last year's unexpectedly entertaining final day, belies the notion that Leinster has always been a procession. Ahead of the 2024 edition, the Leinster league phase was billed as an elongated warm-up before Kilkenny and Galway met in another final, with Wexford and Dublin again scrapping it out for third place.
It may still fall that way but it is far from a certainty, with Galway, insipid in Wexford Park, likely requiring a win against Dublin to ensure their progression in the championship. Wexford are going for three wins on the spin against Kilkenny, though the worst that can befall the latter is missing out on the provincial final.
In the heady days of 2018, it was warned that the new format could become a chore if one or two teams pull dramatically away from the rest. Or if a couple of others on the fringes of the elite fell off the pace badly.
The fear was that the latter was occurring in Leinster already. The 2024 campaign, more unpredictable than anyone had foreseen, has been a happy rebuke to that idea.
It's worth reflecting on the 2017 campaign, the last played under the old back-door format, sans crowd restrictions.
When the fateful vote came up that autumn, Waterford chairman Paddy Joe Ryan said that county board delegates were "dismayed" that changes were being made to the format, "especially after having the most successful championship ever".
While one might be inclined to think that Ryan's opinion/ assertion was conditioned by the fact that Waterford made the final, it was in reality a strong year for the game, attendance wise.
That summer saw four Munster SHC matches played, all staged in Thurles, with a combined attendance of 127,992. This was considerably up on the previous year when the final was played at the Gaelic Grounds, with 100,868 across the four games.
The eight games played across various venues in 2024 have attracted 219,875 supporters, and we still have three games left, including the Munster decider.
When it comes to the hurling championship, the conclusion is that more is more.
Hurling on Terrestrial TV today. Think we need more exposure of the game. Could they not have put games on yesterday aswell?
Galway down to 14 men against the Dubs. It has really changed the course of the game with Dublin coming back into it.
Jackie Tyrell blind!
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 26, 2024, 02:29:49 PMGalway down to 14 men against the Dubs. It has really changed the course of the game with Dublin coming back into it.
Plus they'll be against the wind in 2nd half.
A red card for me. Reckless when ball was gone.
Quote from: marty34 on May 26, 2024, 02:50:57 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on May 26, 2024, 02:29:49 PMGalway down to 14 men against the Dubs. It has really changed the course of the game with Dublin coming back into it.
Plus they'll be against the wind in 2nd half.
A red card for me. Reckless when ball was gone.
Thought red was severe... yellow for me
That's the end of Shefflin! Galway out of the Championship in May!
Galway out!
Henry will be following them
Kilkenny v Dublin Leinster final.
Galway out, end of the road surely for Henry.
Who'd take Henry now?
Do Tipp have anything in them today?
At home they are +8!!!
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 26, 2024, 03:34:32 PMThat's the end of Shefflin! Galway out of the Championship in May!
Hard to see him manager of Galway next year, results business and Galway greatly underachieved this year.
Great respect for anthem there. Gets worse every year
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 26, 2024, 04:02:30 PMGreat respect for anthem there. Gets worse every year
Yeah, Limerick in fairness stayed ..
If it's there respect it..
There are fines given for all sorts of things at this level, hopefully that's the case
That's a great goal for Waterford.
How many steps does Barry Nash take?
P45 for Davy.
Not sorry to see Henry beat. Is enough great men bout Galway without going to him. Henry probly be Kilkenny manager now if he'd not gone to one of their greatest rivals.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 26, 2024, 05:37:22 PMNot sorry to see Henry beat. Is enough great men bout Galway without going to him. Henry probly be Kilkenny manager now if he'd not gone to one of their greatest rivals.
Perhaps he successfully ensured that they are no longer rivals!
Quote from: Gael85 on May 26, 2024, 05:21:09 PMP45 for Davy.
Not sure you could get more out of that team ? Maybe a new voice needed though. The draw against Tipp very poor in hindsight
Quote from: armaghniac on May 26, 2024, 06:53:31 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 26, 2024, 05:37:22 PMNot sorry to see Henry beat. Is enough great men bout Galway without going to him. Henry probly be Kilkenny manager now if he'd not gone to one of their greatest rivals.
Perhaps he successfully ensured that they are no longer rivals!
Bit like Harte in Derry!
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 26, 2024, 02:57:34 PMQuote from: marty34 on May 26, 2024, 02:50:57 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on May 26, 2024, 02:29:49 PMGalway down to 14 men against the Dubs. It has really changed the course of the game with Dublin coming back into it.
Plus they'll be against the wind in 2nd half.
A red card for me. Reckless when ball was gone.
Thought red was severe... yellow for me
You might be right. Me I am not sure about it. The thing about it is though Burke didn't have to make the hit. He deliberately laid the man out and left the ref with a decision to make. The ref didn't have the benefit of slow motion replays and after consulting with the linesman Burke was gone.
It cost Galway the game and possibly Henry his job
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 26, 2024, 09:52:32 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 26, 2024, 02:57:34 PMQuote from: marty34 on May 26, 2024, 02:50:57 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on May 26, 2024, 02:29:49 PMGalway down to 14 men against the Dubs. It has really changed the course of the game with Dublin coming back into it.
Plus they'll be against the wind in 2nd half.
A red card for me. Reckless when ball was gone.
Thought red was severe... yellow for me
You might be right. Me I am not sure about it. The thing about it is though Burke didn't have to make the hit. He deliberately laid the man out and left the ref with a decision to make. The ref didn't have the benefit of slow motion replays and after consulting with the linesman Burke was gone.
It cost Galway the game and possibly Henry his job
Not so sure it cost them the game - they had a strong Salthill wind behind them in the first half.
And let's face it they've been sh*te all year. Were not going to be contenders one way or another
What was up with the Nowlan park pitch today? Looked like a ploughed field
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 26, 2024, 11:16:57 PMWhat was up with the Nowlan park pitch today? Looked like a ploughed field
Bruce was in town recently.
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 26, 2024, 09:52:32 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 26, 2024, 02:57:34 PMQuote from: marty34 on May 26, 2024, 02:50:57 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on May 26, 2024, 02:29:49 PMGalway down to 14 men against the Dubs. It has really changed the course of the game with Dublin coming back into it.
Plus they'll be against the wind in 2nd half.
A red card for me. Reckless when ball was gone.
Thought red was severe... yellow for me
You might be right. Me I am not sure about it. The thing about it is though Burke didn't have to make the hit. He deliberately laid the man out and left the ref with a decision to make. The ref didn't have the benefit of slow motion replays and after consulting with the linesman Burke was gone.
It cost Galway the game and possibly Henry his job
It was a needless challenge, silly even, especially when the ball was gone. Some will say a red, others will say yellow but it's not the reason they lost.
They were very poor V Antrim. Antrim's sending-off made Galway look good at the start of the 2nd half. Wexford beat them and then the earlier draw with Kilkenny.
Consistently inconsistent!
Ironically it was M'OD that put them to the sword today. He was the last manager to get a tune out of that Galway squad. When you see big Johnny Glynn coming off the bench, it's not saying much for their bench/squad.
Henry's career has stalled a bit because of this period. I'm sure they looked an attractive proposition from the outside but he hasn't progressed them, for whatever reason. I think they need a clear out and a rebuild is needed.
Whether it's him or not, time will tell.
A lot of Galway people were sickened yesterday to see one of our own put the final knife into Galway.
There is no way Shefflin will be allowed stay on.
The search for a new man starts again.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 26, 2024, 05:37:22 PMNot sorry to see Henry beat. Is enough great men bout Galway without going to him. Henry probly be Kilkenny manager now if he'd not gone to one of their greatest rivals.
Looks like Kilkenny are lucky he wasn't their manager!
I would say he's burned a lot of bridges in kk and this is a blot on his cv. Dunno if he will ever manage kk.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 27, 2024, 10:30:17 AMI would say he's burned a lot of bridges in kk and this is a blot on his cv. Dunno if he will ever manage kk.
That sounds rather harsh. E.g. I would take MOD back over Galway again in the future, regardless of yesterday, and I've a feeling it may happen too. I've said so often, Shefflin may not have realised that Galway were in (need of) more transition when he took over than he thought they were.
Galway weren't playing well all year, yet looked sharp enough in the early stages yesterday. I do think the sending off cost them the game because they looked like they would have built up a substantial lead by half-time otherwise.
I would be amazed if he managed Kilkenny.
Quote from: Cyril Farrell fan on May 27, 2024, 08:40:33 AMA lot of Galway people were sickened yesterday to see one of our own put the final knife into Galway.
There is no way Shefflin will be allowed stay on.
The search for a new man starts again.
Revenge is a dish best served cold
Fair play to Micheal Donoghue after the treatment he got near the end of his tenure with Galway
Quote from: clonadmad on May 27, 2024, 12:34:43 PMQuote from: Cyril Farrell fan on May 27, 2024, 08:40:33 AMA lot of Galway people were sickened yesterday to see one of our own put the final knife into Galway.
There is no way Shefflin will be allowed stay on.
The search for a new man starts again.
Revenge is a dish best served cold
Fair play to Micheal Donoghue after the treatment he got near the end of his tenure with Galway
When you're pleading to get a player from your own county that you once managed sent off, you definitely are on a revenge mission. Shameful.
Quote from: galwayman on May 26, 2024, 10:43:08 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on May 26, 2024, 09:52:32 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 26, 2024, 02:57:34 PMQuote from: marty34 on May 26, 2024, 02:50:57 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on May 26, 2024, 02:29:49 PMGalway down to 14 men against the Dubs. It has really changed the course of the game with Dublin coming back into it.
Plus they'll be against the wind in 2nd half.
A red card for me. Reckless when ball was gone.
Thought red was severe... yellow for me
You might be right. Me I am not sure about it. The thing about it is though Burke didn't have to make the hit. He deliberately laid the man out and left the ref with a decision to make. The ref didn't have the benefit of slow motion replays and after consulting with the linesman Burke was gone.
It cost Galway the game and possibly Henry his job
Not so sure it cost them the game - they had a strong Salthill wind behind them in the first half.
And let's face it they've been sh*te all year. Were not going to be contenders one way or another
Galway have indeed been shíte this year, a team on the wane and needing fresh legs to carry the fight which was sadly lacking on Sunday, and in Wexford and in the game against a Kilkenny team shorn of a lot of it's scoring threat.
Burke had no need to do what he did, the ball was gone and whilst I think he did pull out of it a bit himself he can't be surprised that a red was shown considering the directive on head hits that referees are rightly enforcing except I might add the one on John Conlon in Thurles, which to my mind was worse, as Conlan had no chance to brace himself. Ref consults with the Linesman, yellow!
Quote from: johnnycool on May 28, 2024, 09:58:22 AMQuote from: galwayman on May 26, 2024, 10:43:08 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on May 26, 2024, 09:52:32 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 26, 2024, 02:57:34 PMQuote from: marty34 on May 26, 2024, 02:50:57 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on May 26, 2024, 02:29:49 PMGalway down to 14 men against the Dubs. It has really changed the course of the game with Dublin coming back into it.
Plus they'll be against the wind in 2nd half.
A red card for me. Reckless when ball was gone.
Thought red was severe... yellow for me
You might be right. Me I am not sure about it. The thing about it is though Burke didn't have to make the hit. He deliberately laid the man out and left the ref with a decision to make. The ref didn't have the benefit of slow motion replays and after consulting with the linesman Burke was gone.
It cost Galway the game and possibly Henry his job
Not so sure it cost them the game - they had a strong Salthill wind behind them in the first half.
And let's face it they've been sh*te all year. Were not going to be contenders one way or another
Galway have indeed been shíte this year, a team on the wane and needing fresh legs to carry the fight which was sadly lacking on Sunday, and in Wexford and in the game against a Kilkenny team shorn of a lot of it's scoring threat.
Burke had no need to do what he did, the ball was gone and whilst I think he did pull out of it a bit himself he can't be surprised that a red was shown considering the directive on head hits that referees are rightly enforcing except I might add the one on John Conlon in Thurles, which to my mind was worse, as Conlan had no chance to brace himself. Ref consults with the Linesman, yellow!
Burke's problem was that at normal speed, it looked bad. Slow it down in a replay however, and you'll see it was chest-to-chest at most, not head-high. Burke himself nearly came off as bad, had he the guile to go down like Whitely he might have gotten away with it.
Watched it a couple of times and its a 50/50 call at intercounty level refereeing and a yellow at club level... If that makes any sense ;)
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 26, 2024, 02:57:34 PMQuote from: marty34 on May 26, 2024, 02:50:57 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on May 26, 2024, 02:29:49 PMGalway down to 14 men against the Dubs. It has really changed the course of the game with Dublin coming back into it.
Plus they'll be against the wind in 2nd half.
A red card for me. Reckless when ball was gone.
Thought red was severe... yellow for me
Probably was an orange card, too much for a yellow but not enough for a red for me anyway.
Again this happens in any of the Munster games and its barely a foul, yellow at most. The levels of consistency are ridiculous across the country.
Antrim had a man sent off the week before for a tap on the helmet, Kyle Hayes full on welts across the neck and face and its a yellow card. Crazy.
Quote from: NAG1 on May 28, 2024, 11:02:16 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 26, 2024, 02:57:34 PMQuote from: marty34 on May 26, 2024, 02:50:57 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on May 26, 2024, 02:29:49 PMGalway down to 14 men against the Dubs. It has really changed the course of the game with Dublin coming back into it.
Plus they'll be against the wind in 2nd half.
A red card for me. Reckless when ball was gone.
Thought red was severe... yellow for me
Probably was an orange card, too much for a yellow but not enough for a red for me anyway.
Again this happens in any of the Munster games and its barely a foul, yellow at most. The levels of consistency are ridiculous across the country.
Antrim had a man sent off the week before for a tap on the helmet, Kyle Hayes full on welts across the neck and face and its a yellow card. Crazy.
And Carlow got a lad sent off for pushing someone to the ground in a bit of a ruck...
That would just be manly hurling in Munster.
Dublin could be in for it here.
Kilkenny will not get a handier Leinster title... awful from Dublin
You'll never see a bad game of Hurling! ;D
Camera is on the wrong side of the Pitch.
Is ocasional one sided championship game... as unusual as a good game of football.
Dublin are shocking here. So far off the pace and their tactics are brutal.
What was that corner back doing?
At least the Dublin fans leaving early are only a 15 minute Bus Journey from home.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 08, 2024, 07:15:27 PMWhat was that corner back doing?
Thinking to himself
''I want to be anywhere but here''.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 08, 2024, 07:19:39 PMAt least the Dublin fans leaving early are only a 15 minute Bus Journey from home.
Not used Dublin Bus before, have you?
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 08, 2024, 07:13:27 PMDublin are shocking here. So far off the pace and their tactics are brutal.
I got an offer of a free ticket at lunchtime yesterday and foolishly accepted. Hard to describe how far off it Dublin were. First few minutes there's maybe 3 from each side contesting a ball on the ground over near the Cusack sideline. Cody comes out with the sliotar with no defender near him. Sells a nice dummy, Goal and game effectively over. KK picked off some lovely points but the truth is that they were under more pressure shooting their practice shots in the warmup than they were in the match itself. Some job for Dublin to lick themselves up after that.
That game yesterday does not represent how Dublin have preformed this year.
They went into that game with an outside chance, but Kilkenny had their best game of the year yesterday..
Everything clicked and for Dublin their shot selection their passes their team play was poor.
Hopefully for them they'll have a better game next day out, put it behind them and move on
Their next game will be Cork more than likely so not getting any easier
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2024, 12:45:06 PMThat game yesterday does not represent how Dublin have preformed this year.
They went into that game with an outside chance, but Kilkenny had their best game of the year yesterday..
Everything clicked and for Dublin their shot selection their passes their team play was poor.
Hopefully for them they'll have a better game next day out, put it behind them and move on
For me the biggest issue was their tactics though. They were incredibly naive in running into tackles, they were leaving Richie Reid and mullan free. Also they struggled physically. It wasn't just a bad game it was a lesson.
One of the worst games I've ever attended in Croke Park. Really thought Dublin would give Kilkenny their fill of it. It was a woeful performance from Dublin whatever happened them, I'm sure they're better than that. No intensity at all, Kilkenny players getting possession had loads of space, not hit at all. First touch was dreadful, the goalkeeping errors summed up a dismal Dublin display. Kilkenny were very good, not brilliant.. they didn't need to be.
The hurling has become very predictable. Kilkenny won 5th Leinster in a row and Limerick on course for 6 in a row in Munster.
Limerick should win easy enough today. Will be another Limerick Kilkenny AI final unless Cork come up with something in semi final.
It's hard to believe that Clare have not won a Munster title since 1998!
In the mean time the rest have won since 1998...
Cork 8
Tipp 7
Limerick 6
Waterford 4
Power cut in Thurles and Munster final pushed by to 4:30pm throw in.
Fair play to Clare. How do you stop Limerick? knock out the power!
Sh*t, I was hoping Darragh Maloney would be the commentator.
Well we will get our usual monologue and Geography lessons today.
Watching the Munster final with no care as to who wins.
So much shite from the commentators.
Dirt all over the place and they never mention it.
If it was football it'd be all they talked about.
Talk about double standards.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on June 09, 2024, 04:48:36 PMWatching the Munster final with no care as to who wins.
So much shite from the commentators.
Dirt all over the place and they never mention it.
If it was football it'd be all they talked about.
Talk about double standards.
One of the Clare lads gave good kick to the arse of one of Limerick players and it was totally ignored by commentators.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on June 09, 2024, 04:48:36 PMWatching the Munster final with no care as to who wins.
So much shite from the commentators.
Dirt all over the place and they never mention it.
If it was football it'd be all they talked about.
Talk about double standards.
Good hits for the most part from what I can see, which has almost gone out of football
Let them at it... the games being sanitised enough. A man's game.
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 09, 2024, 05:01:26 PMLet them at it... the games being sanitised enough. A man's game.
Compare that statement with the hoo-ha over a touch of the head with a trailing boot in Celtic Park last week.
Half time Limerick 0-13 Clare 1-10. Goal for Clare right before the break.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on June 09, 2024, 05:06:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 09, 2024, 05:01:26 PMLet them at it... the games being sanitised enough. A man's game.
Compare that statement with the hoo-ha over a touch of the head with a trailing boot in Celtic Park last week.
If you can't see the difference in a hard hit and what Mackin did you're either slow or winding or both.
Bad mistake from Quaid there for goal! He'd made super save earlier.
Conlon for Clare playing high risk gane taking the ball into contact coming out every time, surely he'll be caught out
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on June 09, 2024, 05:06:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 09, 2024, 05:01:26 PMLet them at it... the games being sanitised enough. A man's game.
Compare that statement with the hoo-ha over a touch of the head with a trailing boot in Celtic Park last week.
Haven't seen any kicks in the head here... in fact seen very little contentious here. You're coming to this with an Armagh chip on your shoulder. Is nothing comparable
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 09, 2024, 05:08:47 PMHalf time Limerick 0-13 Clare 1-10. Goal for Clare right before the break.
Some goal, though!
Game over?
That shouldnt be a free for the hit on Kelly!
Limerick are just miles above everyone really. It is going to get boring.
Even the new boys coming in are far better than most of the best of the rest.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2024, 05:56:02 PMLimerick are just miles above everyone really. It is going to get boring.
Even the new boys coming in are far better than most of the best of the rest.
serious.
Would there be many going for their 6th in a row here?
For all that, Clare missed how many goal chances and gifted Limerick one? What hope have you then?
A record six in row for Limerick, FT 1-26 to 1-20. Last years Munster final was closer 1-23 to 1-22
Can't see them beat this year. Can kill a team in a few minutes with that rapid handpassing and shooting. Same as last years All Ireland final kept opposition at armas lenght 4/5 points ahead. Brilliant team. Fair play Peter Duggan.. gave all.
Limerick win 6 in a row - Clare have won 6 in 136 years.
How long til Limerick do the Dublin and quit celebrating these wins? ;)
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 09, 2024, 06:15:30 PMHow long til Limerick do the Dublin and quit celebrating these wins? ;)
Munster hurling final a different traditional and much harder won. Could enjoy it for another while..
Limerick seemed to dominate from what I saw. However if Mark Rodgers had converted that goal chance when he hit the post Limerick might have been caught.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2024, 05:56:02 PMLimerick are just miles above everyone really. It is going to get boring.
Even the new boys coming in are far better than most of the best of the rest.
Maybe, but Clare flatter to deceive greatly. Definitely behind Cork and Kilkenny in the pecking order and Wexford could stretch them in their next outing also. Never got the hype about them too much, a good number of ordinary players on the team, starting with no. 1.
Limerick team that won Munster in 2019. (1st of their six in a row)
N Quaid;
S Finn, M Casey, R English;
D Byrnes, D Hannon, D Morrissey;
C Lynch, W O'Donoghue
G Hegarty, K Hayes, T Morrissey;
A Gillane, G Mulcahy, P Casey
Subs brought on S Dowling, D O'Donovan, S Flanagan, B Nash, D Reidy
Team that started today
Nickie Quaid;
Mike Casey, Dan Morrissey, Barry Nash;
Diarmaid Byrnes, Declan Hannon, Kyle Hayes;
Will O'Donoghue, Cathal O'Neill;
Gearóid Hegarty, David Reidy, Tom Morrissey;
Aaron Gillane, Shane O'Brien, Cian Lynch.
Quote from: mouview on June 09, 2024, 06:19:43 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2024, 05:56:02 PMLimerick are just miles above everyone really. It is going to get boring.
Even the new boys coming in are far better than most of the best of the rest.
Maybe, but Clare flatter to deceive greatly. Definitely behind Cork and Kilkenny in the pecking order and Wexford could stretch them in their next outing also. Never got the hype about them too much, a good number of ordinary players on the team, starting with no. 1.
I wouldn't say they are ordinary, they are playing against one of the all time great teams and are quite probably their toughest opponents over the past number of years, not so much today I grant you.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 09, 2024, 06:25:23 PMLimerick team that won Munster in 2019. (1st of their six in a row)
N Quaid;
S Finn, M Casey, R English;
D Byrnes, D Hannon, D Morrissey;
C Lynch, W O'Donoghue
G Hegarty, K Hayes, T Morrissey;
A Gillane, G Mulcahy, P Casey
Subs brought on S Dowling, D O'Donovan, S Flanagan, B Nash, D Reidy
Team that started today
Nickie Quaid;
Mike Casey, Dan Morrissey, Barry Nash;
Diarmaid Byrnes, Declan Hannon, Kyle Hayes;
Will O'Donoghue, Cathal O'Neill;
Gearóid Hegarty, David Reidy, Tom Morrissey;
Aaron Gillane, Shane O'Brien, Cian Lynch.
That's incredible consistency. Only Dowling and I think English no longer involved.
Quote from: blasmere on June 09, 2024, 07:30:37 PMQuote from: mouview on June 09, 2024, 06:19:43 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on June 09, 2024, 05:56:02 PMLimerick are just miles above everyone really. It is going to get boring.
Even the new boys coming in are far better than most of the best of the rest.
Maybe, but Clare flatter to deceive greatly. Definitely behind Cork and Kilkenny in the pecking order and Wexford could stretch them in their next outing also. Never got the hype about them too much, a good number of ordinary players on the team, starting with no. 1.
I wouldn't say they are ordinary, they are playing against one of the all time great teams and are quite probably their toughest opponents over the past number of years, not so much today I grant you.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 09, 2024, 06:25:23 PMLimerick team that won Munster in 2019. (1st of their six in a row)
N Quaid;
S Finn, M Casey, R English;
D Byrnes, D Hannon, D Morrissey;
C Lynch, W O'Donoghue
G Hegarty, K Hayes, T Morrissey;
A Gillane, G Mulcahy, P Casey
Subs brought on S Dowling, D O'Donovan, S Flanagan, B Nash, D Reidy
Team that started today
Nickie Quaid;
Mike Casey, Dan Morrissey, Barry Nash;
Diarmaid Byrnes, Declan Hannon, Kyle Hayes;
Will O'Donoghue, Cathal O'Neill;
Gearóid Hegarty, David Reidy, Tom Morrissey;
Aaron Gillane, Shane O'Brien, Cian Lynch.
That's incredible consistency. Only Dowling and I think English no longer involved.
English still on panel. Had a couple bad injuries over the years.
They have very good hurlers but what sets them apart is their level of physical conditioning. They are the fittest team I've seen playing GAA with a lot of massive men. With 53 of a backroom team and JPs unlimited funds they are all but professional in name.
Clare tried to match them physically today and managed to stay in touch for a good part of the game but you never got the feeling that Limerick wouldn't win it. I think they'll get the 5 in a row and will then have another target next year with Dublins 6.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2024, 08:16:45 PMThey have very good hurlers but what sets them apart is their level of physical conditioning. They are the fittest team I've seen playing GAA with a lot of massive men. With 53 of a backroom team and JPs unlimited funds they are all but professional in name.
Clare tried to match them physically today and managed to stay in touch for a good part of the game but you never got the feeling that Limerick wouldn't win it. I think they'll get the 5 in a row and will then have another target next year with Dublins 6.
Surely that was sarcasm?? Hats off they are a serious team filled with absolute animals of men who can hurl too.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 09, 2024, 08:40:22 PMQuote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2024, 08:16:45 PMThey have very good hurlers but what sets them apart is their level of physical conditioning. They are the fittest team I've seen playing GAA with a lot of massive men. With 53 of a backroom team and JPs unlimited funds they are all but professional in name.
Clare tried to match them physically today and managed to stay in touch for a good part of the game but you never got the feeling that Limerick wouldn't win it. I think they'll get the 5 in a row and will then have another target next year with Dublins 6.
Surely that was sarcasm?? Hats off they are a serious team filled with absolute animals of men who can hurl too.
Hannon said it himself in his speech after the match. Imagine a county board trying to fund all of that, it gives them a serious advantage. They make the Dubs look like a division 2 side when it comes to preparation.
With all the palaver over how great and exciting the new provincial championships are, they just end up with Limerick and Kilkenny winning in the end 🥱
I've absolutely no issues with Limerick doing what they are doing, they have worked extremely hard to be in the position they are at.
It's on everyone else to raise the bar, just like football, Dublin raised it and it's in everyone else to bring it.
The standard of play/skill in hurling is phenomenal across the board.
Limerick just have it more, it's a cycle and will eventually come to an end.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2024, 09:17:34 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 09, 2024, 08:40:22 PMQuote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2024, 08:16:45 PMThey have very good hurlers but what sets them apart is their level of physical conditioning. They are the fittest team I've seen playing GAA with a lot of massive men. With 53 of a backroom team and JPs unlimited funds they are all but professional in name.
Clare tried to match them physically today and managed to stay in touch for a good part of the game but you never got the feeling that Limerick wouldn't win it. I think they'll get the 5 in a row and will then have another target next year with Dublins 6.
Surely that was sarcasm?? Hats off they are a serious team filled with absolute animals of men who can hurl too.
Hannon said it himself in his speech after the match. Imagine a county board trying to fund all of that, it gives them a serious advantage. They make the Dubs look like a division 2 side when it comes to preparation.
Madness isn't it. They are unbelievable. Clare seem to be getting further behind them. Kilkenny, Cork are decent teams but not on the level of their great teams from years back. Galway seem go be going backwards and Tipp are at a low ebb as well.
So in the end hurling ends up as inevitable as football, you'll get short odds on Limerick and Dublin all Irelands again.
I know, but it's still a hundred times more entertaining.
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 09, 2024, 11:24:35 PMSo in the end hurling ends up as inevitable as football, you'll get short odds on Limerick and Dublin all Irelands again.
What do you prefer? That the best teams don't win?
Shocks are great and ignites passion and unparalleled celebrations but sometimes teams come along that you just have to take your hat off and appreciate how good they are, we have it more often at club level.
It comes to an end either by other teams raising their standards, a shock or the cycle finishes.
How anyone can look at Limerick and be bored at how they win games I'll never know.
Just accept that every now and then (history has shown it) a team comes along, be it football soccer hurling basketball or whatever and dominate because they are so good.
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 09, 2024, 11:24:35 PMSo in the end hurling ends up as inevitable as football, you'll get short odds on Limerick and Dublin all Irelands again.
Ultimately in these prolonged championships with round robins, back doors etc etc its the teams with the bigger and stronger panels that comes through.
The days of catching a big team cold and them gone for the year are no longer with us, well until this stage in the hurling and for a while yet in the football.
Limerick are some outfit, and whilst Clare to their credit kept it interesting right to the last 5 minutes or so there was only going to be one winner.
Clare didn't get the goals they needed, one poor shot and one hitting the post, those go in and its a much tighter game.
Thought the Clare keeper should have done better with Hegartys goal, if you come off the line, you need to come out and take everything with you, he stuttered and was indecisive, caught in no-mans-land and paid the price for a well struck ground shot.
Limericks shooting was far more accurate as well, their gameplan more decisive, starving Shane O'Donnell of ball, forced Clare to bring him out the field and their biggest goal threat negated in one move. Kelly evidently isn't up to speed as yet and realistically their forwards only managed the odd fits and starts of good play apart from Peter Duggan who was the pick of their players.
Big Cleary got pinged twice for pulling jerseys off the ball, probably on reputation alone and I'd encourage referees to work with their umpires more on that but for everyone who's at it.
Dublin, Dublin, Dublin, what the feck were you thinking?
A Leinster final, a crack at Kilkenny with nothing else on the line. You'd have thought they'd go at them hammer and tongs, but it was everything but.
Allowing Richie Reid to sit in the pocket and ping balls into space for his Ballyhale teammates up the field to run onto and torment their markers was criminal at this level. He negated their sweeper totally, barring two balls that he intercepted way late on and in junk time when the result was a foregone conclusion.
On numerous occasions a ball was lumped up to a Dublin forward and whilst it initially looked like a one-on-one, the next men into that area to win the break were wearing black and amber all the time.
They now will in all probability face Cork in a quarter final and surely we'll see some fire from them in that game if there's any fire in them at all.
Clare will probably have a Wexford quarter final and they'll need the three weeks to get over that defeat, but that game will be far from a gimme and Wexford have some good forwards who could trouble that Clare defence, so Lohan has a bit of work to do there also.
Jarlath Burns clarified a remark made by Limerick captain Declan Hannon after his team won the Munster SHC final on Sunday. In his acceptance speech following their defeat of Clare, Hannon said: "We've a backroom team of 53 people. I'm not gonna thank them all, but I want to thank in particular John Kiely and Paul Kinnerk for everything they do for us."
Quote"I did clarify that with Paul Foley the Ard Comhairle rep from Limerick because I knew he didn't mean that," he said.
"I can tell you if you're a captain up there... I'm often standing beside them and I know how nervous they can be. There aren't 53. I can reassure people around the country if you are trying to get up to that level it's not... I think it's 37 on the panel and 16 on the backroom, so he looked at the whole family all as one, 53 people."
Dublin footballers have apparently a management team of 30.
Disappointed with the Munster game yesterday, Limerick always seemed to be able to keep them at arms length.
Clare gave away some serious ball over the 70mins pucking aimless long balls down on top of extra cover defenders. Can't do that as well as missing frees etc against this Limerick team.
The Limerick half back lined for the first time this season completely dominated the game, they look back to their best for sure.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 10, 2024, 11:58:33 AMJarlath Burns clarified a remark made by Limerick captain Declan Hannon after his team won the Munster SHC final on Sunday. In his acceptance speech following their defeat of Clare, Hannon said: "We've a backroom team of 53 people. I'm not gonna thank them all, but I want to thank in particular John Kiely and Paul Kinnerk for everything they do for us."
Quote"I did clarify that with Paul Foley the Ard Comhairle rep from Limerick because I knew he didn't mean that," he said.
"I can tell you if you're a captain up there... I'm often standing beside them and I know how nervous they can be. There aren't 53. I can reassure people around the country if you are trying to get up to that level it's not... I think it's 37 on the panel and 16 on the backroom, so he looked at the whole family all as one, 53 people."
Dublin footballers have apparently a management team of 30.
16 looks like a small backroom team for a panel of 37, FFS Down hurlers would have a dozen or so between coaches, S&C, analysts, stick and kitmen, not to mention physios, doctor etc, so I smell cover up on that one...
That doesn't mean all are on JP's payroll.
Kilkenny blew Dublin out of it. Really hungry and agressive - typical Kilkenny. Dublin downed tools after5 mins, which was disappointing. They are good in the tight confines or Parnell Park but, for whatever reason, they struggle in Croke Park. In fairness to KK,they were ruthless. They have mixed it up a bit this year and it's working well. Another run out in Croke Park beckons. John Donnelly and Mullan in great form from play.
In Munster, Clare needed the goal chances to go in...and they didn't. Always seemed to be playing catchup. Cleary is not mobile enough for Gillane. Limerick leave an acre of space in front for Gillane to run in to and all Cleary can do is pull and drag. Always guaranteed to get a yellow card. Why don't they switch and put the keeper 10 yards in front of Gillane?
Clare didn't seem to have that buzz about them yesterday - a bit flat. Summed up well by the performance of TK. He was disappointing by his own his standards. Limerick were excellent. They work so hard and always stick to the process.
A special mention to young O'Brien at full-forward. Nearly MOTM for me. He was excellent. Any ball that went in tended to stick. Imagine no Sean Finn, Peter Casey, Seamie Flannagan or Darragh O'Donovan. Crazy team.
Quote from: marty34 on June 10, 2024, 05:49:26 PMKilkenny blew Dublin out of it. Really hungry and agressive - typical Kilkenny. Dublin downed tools after5 mins, which was disappointing. They are good in the tight confines or Parnell Park but, for whatever reason, they struggle in Croke Park. In fairness to KK,they were ruthless. They have mixed it up a bit this year and it's working well. Another run out in Croke Park beckons. John Donnelly and Mullan in great form from play.
In Munster, Clare needed the goal chances to go in...and they didn't. Always seemed to be playing catchup. Cleary is not mobile enough for Gillane. Limerick leave an acre of space in front for Gillane to run in to and all Cleary can do is pull and drag. Always guaranteed to get a yellow card. Why don't they switch and put the keeper 10 yards in front of Gillane?
Clare didn't seem to have that buzz about them yesterday - a bit flat. Summed up well by the performance of TK. He was disappointing by his own his standards. Limerick were excellent. They work so hard and always stick to the process.
A special mention to young O'Brien at full-forward. Nearly MOTM for me. He was excellent. Any ball that went in tended to stick. Imagine no Sean Finn, Peter Casey, Seamie Flannagan or Darragh O'Donovan. Crazy team.
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Quote from: johnnycool on June 11, 2024, 08:26:54 AMQuote from: marty34 on June 10, 2024, 05:49:26 PMKilkenny blew Dublin out of it. Really hungry and agressive - typical Kilkenny. Dublin downed tools after5 mins, which was disappointing. They are good in the tight confines or Parnell Park but, for whatever reason, they struggle in Croke Park. In fairness to KK,they were ruthless. They have mixed it up a bit this year and it's working well. Another run out in Croke Park beckons. John Donnelly and Mullan in great form from play.
In Munster, Clare needed the goal chances to go in...and they didn't. Always seemed to be playing catchup. Cleary is not mobile enough for Gillane. Limerick leave an acre of space in front for Gillane to run in to and all Cleary can do is pull and drag. Always guaranteed to get a yellow card. Why don't they switch and put the keeper 10 yards in front of Gillane?
Clare didn't seem to have that buzz about them yesterday - a bit flat. Summed up well by the performance of TK. He was disappointing by his own his standards. Limerick were excellent. They work so hard and always stick to the process.
A special mention to young O'Brien at full-forward. Nearly MOTM for me. He was excellent. Any ball that went in tended to stick. Imagine no Sean Finn, Peter Casey, Seamie Flannagan or Darragh O'Donovan. Crazy team.
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I was there.
Gillane stays in on the goaline beside the keeper and there's 30 yards of space, from sideline to sideline, in front of him.
He knows he has the pace and mobility for Cleary and he's done it year after year and Clare are not learning from it. I'm sure Gillane is delighted when he knows Cleary will be marking him.
It'll not work all the time but Gillane loves to be in on the goalline and sprints ou. His movement is very good in fsirness. Top player. I see his brother was sub keeper yesterday.
This is what happens and it happened on Sunday once again:
Cleary pulls and drags Gillane constantly. He gave 2 frees away on Sunday when Gillane was making his runs and 2 handy frees at that.
Next thing, Cleary gets the yellow card.
Next thing. He's taken off with 15mins/20mins to go.
If you have any better ideas, we'll listen.
Sweeper keeper isn't exactly working out in football nowadays, teams are catching on and working traps to catch out the role of the keeper. The same will happen in hurling if that was done, I get the idea of it but Gillane can win his own ball high or low or out to the wings, if there is an empty net, I'd say its easier to strike it with the hurl to an empty net at their level than football.
The center half has to help out the area in front of him and the midfield has to drop back a bit to cover that space, there was always (in my days) a defensive midfielder and an attacking one, Not sure those roles are done anymore but anyone marking Gillane needs help outfield to reduce those balls going in, and that starts at corner forward!
Limerick didn't really give Clare any easy balls out other that the short puck outs, and when they did they closed them down quick enough to cause the odd mistake and turnover
Will know more about Corks consistency over the next game or two to see if they are a contender or whether Kilkenny were great and can improve or Dublin just threw the towel in
Quote from: marty34 on June 11, 2024, 08:48:26 AMQuote from: johnnycool on June 11, 2024, 08:26:54 AMQuote from: marty34 on June 10, 2024, 05:49:26 PMKilkenny blew Dublin out of it. Really hungry and agressive - typical Kilkenny. Dublin downed tools after5 mins, which was disappointing. They are good in the tight confines or Parnell Park but, for whatever reason, they struggle in Croke Park. In fairness to KK,they were ruthless. They have mixed it up a bit this year and it's working well. Another run out in Croke Park beckons. John Donnelly and Mullan in great form from play.
In Munster, Clare needed the goal chances to go in...and they didn't. Always seemed to be playing catchup. Cleary is not mobile enough for Gillane. Limerick leave an acre of space in front for Gillane to run in to and all Cleary can do is pull and drag. Always guaranteed to get a yellow card. Why don't they switch and put the keeper 10 yards in front of Gillane?
Clare didn't seem to have that buzz about them yesterday - a bit flat. Summed up well by the performance of TK. He was disappointing by his own his standards. Limerick were excellent. They work so hard and always stick to the process.
A special mention to young O'Brien at full-forward. Nearly MOTM for me. He was excellent. Any ball that went in tended to stick. Imagine no Sean Finn, Peter Casey, Seamie Flannagan or Darragh O'Donovan. Crazy team.
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I was there.
Gillane stays in on the goaline beside the keeper and there's 30 yards of space, from sideline to sideline, in front of him.
He knows he has the pace and mobility for Cleary and he's done it year after year and Clare are not learning from it. I'm sure Gillane is delighted when he knows Cleary will be marking him.
It'll not work all the time but Gillane loves to be in on the goalline and sprints ou. His movement is very good in fsirness. Top player. I see his brother was sub keeper yesterday.
This is what happens and it happened on Sunday once again:
Cleary pulls and drags Gillane constantly. He gave 2 frees away on Sunday when Gillane was making his runs and 2 handy frees at that.
Next thing, Cleary gets the yellow card.
Next thing. He's taken off with 15mins/20mins to go.
If you have any better ideas, we'll listen.
I understand the conundrum that Limerick create for opposing teams in that regard and they do target those spaces out on the wings, drop your halfbacks a bit to cover that and they'll kill you with points from out the field, push up and Gillane and the bull have acres of space to work in.
Play a sweeper and they'll work the space and time to negate that too.
The only thing to cause Limerick problems this year is Corks directness and lads running off the breaking ball at pace. They'll have a plan for that the next time they meet.
Quilligan doesn't seem to be the paciest, nor bravest when it comes to the outfield stuff as we saw from the Hegarty goal. but if he does vacate the goal-line they'll target that right away and with even bigger consequences.
Easier said that done, but whoever does get the better of them will need to stop the runners coming through the middle and picking out the spaces for the bull and Guillane and make that ball dirtier to give the defenders a chance to negate them.
Clares problem at the minute is that Conlon and Cleary aren't mobile enough to cover those spaces, and anyone they have who has the pace hasn't the physical presence to handle Guillane if the Limerick lads go direct.
Guillane is the perfect target man in modern hurling, closely followed by the likes of Eoin Cody...
What you say is all well and good but all I'm saying is Clare have to try something.
This Cleary issue has happened year after year, twice in fact every year - in group and Munster Final. Not Cleary's fault by the way as he's a spoiler and suits lads like T.J. and Horgan etc. If you can't stop the quality ball coming in then you must try and block Gillane coming out.
If you watch Gillane closely (obviously not seen on tv) but he stands in the square a lot of the time. Quilligan is in there but stands behind him. All he has to do is stand 5 yards in front and read the ball. Not sure how fast he is.
It might work or might not. Even if he blocks Gillane's run off a bit, giving time for Cleary to get out it might help.
But to do nothing is foolish and to let the same thing happen time after time is poor.
Quote from: marty34 on June 11, 2024, 07:25:31 PMWhat you say is all well and good but all I'm saying is Clare have to try something.
This Cleary issue has happened year after year, twice in fact every year - in group and Munster Final. Not Cleary's fault by the way as he's a spoiler and suits lads like T.J. and Horgan etc. If you can't stop the quality ball coming in then you must try and block Gillane coming out.
If you watch Gillane closely (obviously not seen on tv) but he stands in the square a lot of the time. Quilligan is in there but stands behind him. All he has to do is stand 5 yards in front and read the ball. Not sure how fast he is.
It might work or might not. Even if he blocks Gillane's run off a bit, giving time for Cleary to get out it might help.
But to do nothing is foolish and to let the same thing happen time after time is poor.
He was pretty poor getting off his line for Hegartys goal.
Keepers, natural keepers are traditional enough still, taking the return from pass to fullback from puck outs is the limit.
Still thinking teams need to avoid midfield and halfback lines of limerick..
Or as Cork did was run at them, make Limerick foul or break their lines, certain referees will not allow some of the physicality they bring to the game..
What will stop or reduce their play is being on top of their hand passes..
Would love to have a slow mo on a lot of their hand passes
You don't need the slo mo, they are throwing them
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 11, 2024, 10:09:31 PMYou don't need the slo mo, they are throwing them
I've blown for throws and have asked to see the odd match I've done, what I've seen at the match is completely different to when I watched the slow mo.
They ended up as proper passes!
Like I said I'd love to see everyone of Lynch's passes, they all look like fouls
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2024, 10:29:18 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on June 11, 2024, 10:09:31 PMYou don't need the slo mo, they are throwing them
I've blown for throws and have asked to see the odd match I've done, what I've seen at the match is completely different to when I watched the slow mo.
They ended up as proper passes!
Like I said I'd love to see everyone of Lynch's passes, they all look like fouls
The way the rules are defined is correct - and in that case almost all of Limerick's (and many others tbf) handpasses are fouls.
There's no need for a slow motion.
If the ref in real time doesn't see a 'clear striking action' it's a foul. The onus is on the player to make a clear striking action. Which few of them currently do.
This is like the black card debate all over again. A clamour for rule changes when the rules (in this regard), if applied properly by referees, are perfectly fit for purpose.
I agree with all of that but the horse appears to have kind of bolted on this one. How or when do you start enforcing this? Top level intercunty games would be nothing but fouls.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 12, 2024, 04:48:52 PMI agree with all of that but the horse appears to have kind of bolted on this one. How or when do you start enforcing this? Top level intercunty games would be nothing but fouls.
They would soon knock it on the head
Imagine the outrage. It'd be worse than the dublin donegal football match in 2011 ;D
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 12, 2024, 05:00:23 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on June 12, 2024, 04:48:52 PMI agree with all of that but the horse appears to have kind of bolted on this one. How or when do you start enforcing this? Top level intercunty games would be nothing but fouls.
They would soon knock it on the head
Like I said, I've watched it back over the years and while I didn't see clear hand pass when seeing it real time, replayed backed it's a hand pass
As Franko said, if it's not obviously a clear striking action, then it's a foul.
Released and struck with a definite striking action of a hand.
So are we to assume that if the referee is not in the correct position to see a hand pass, he should blow his whistle?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2024, 11:53:20 PMReleased and struck with a definite striking action of a hand.
So are we to assume that if the referee is not in the correct position to see a hand pass, he should blow his whistle?
Clearly not.
Only an absolute clown would assume that
If you're not in a position to see either way, you can't blow a foul
Same for any infringement
But if you can see it, and you see the pass delivered without a definite (my bad, I said 'clear' earlier) striking action, then you should blow
In the cases above, you were 100% right by the rules to blow a free
And you were still right after the game - regardless of what some slow motion replay might have shown
Problen now is Limerick (easily the most as that's their style in the middle third more than anyone else) have went on with it/got away with it for so long, there'd be uproar if a referee blew a foul say, 8 times in a game.
Usual thing is GAA officials 'clamp down' on it in pre-season competition and early league, then it's disguarded unfortunately, except for the odd one now and again.
The genie is out of the bottle.
Quote from: Franko on June 13, 2024, 12:19:00 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2024, 11:53:20 PMReleased and struck with a definite striking action of a hand.
So are we to assume that if the referee is not in the correct position to see a hand pass, he should blow his whistle?
Clearly not.
Only an absolute clown would assume that
If you're not in a position to see either way, you can't blow a foul
Same for any infringement
But if you can see it, and you see the pass delivered without a definite (my bad, I said 'clear' earlier) striking action, then you should blow
In the cases above, you were 100% right by the rules to blow a free
And you were still right after the game - regardless of what some slow motion replay might have shown
Quote from: marty34 on June 13, 2024, 07:46:10 AMProblen now is Limerick (easily the most as that's their style in the middle third more than anyone else) have went on with it/got away with it for so long, there'd be uproar if a referee blew a foul say, 8 times in a game.
Usual thing is GAA officials 'clamp down' on it in pre-season competition and early league, then it's disguarded unfortunately, except for the odd one now and again.
The genie is out of the bottle.
It can be enforced and that's down to the ref, I'm comfortable in my view of the rule and will call it if I see someone throw the ball. The biggest noise from the sideline is 'throw ball ref' and that will be for every hand pass, so people are claiming throw ball when in lots of cases its not.
I'm nearly sure last year they were going to trail the hand pass with a different approach, the ball needs to come off the hurl and passed?
From my playing days it was very rare in the game, was only in that latter stages of playing that I was, the odd time, throw the ball, strangely Id have been pulled on it 9 out of 10 times.
Few times last night there could have been some thrown balls but with lads in rucks or closed down it was difficult to see
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2024, 08:50:40 AMQuote from: Franko on June 13, 2024, 12:19:00 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2024, 11:53:20 PMReleased and struck with a definite striking action of a hand.
So are we to assume that if the referee is not in the correct position to see a hand pass, he should blow his whistle?
Clearly not.
Only an absolute clown would assume that
If you're not in a position to see either way, you can't blow a foul
Same for any infringement
But if you can see it, and you see the pass delivered without a definite (my bad, I said 'clear' earlier) striking action, then you should blow
In the cases above, you were 100% right by the rules to blow a free
And you were still right after the game - regardless of what some slow motion replay might have shown
Quote from: marty34 on June 13, 2024, 07:46:10 AMProblen now is Limerick (easily the most as that's their style in the middle third more than anyone else) have went on with it/got away with it for so long, there'd be uproar if a referee blew a foul say, 8 times in a game.
Usual thing is GAA officials 'clamp down' on it in pre-season competition and early league, then it's disguarded unfortunately, except for the odd one now and again.
The genie is out of the bottle.
It can be enforced and that's down to the ref, I'm comfortable in my view of the rule and will call it if I see someone throw the ball. The biggest noise from the sideline is 'throw ball ref' and that will be for every hand pass, so people are claiming throw ball when in lots of cases its not.
I'm nearly sure last year they were going to trail the hand pass with a different approach, the ball needs to come off the hurl and passed?
From my playing days it was very rare in the game, was only in that latter stages of playing that I was, the odd time, throw the ball, strangely Id have been pulled on it 9 out of 10 times.
Few times last night there could have been some thrown balls but with lads in rucks or closed down it was difficult to see
With the amount of rucks in the game now it's near on impossible for referees to get a good line of sight to see if a ball is thrown or not and as someone else says, if you can't see the foul for sure then you can't give it.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 13, 2024, 08:58:00 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2024, 08:50:40 AMQuote from: Franko on June 13, 2024, 12:19:00 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2024, 11:53:20 PMReleased and struck with a definite striking action of a hand.
So are we to assume that if the referee is not in the correct position to see a hand pass, he should blow his whistle?
Clearly not.
Only an absolute clown would assume that
If you're not in a position to see either way, you can't blow a foul
Same for any infringement
But if you can see it, and you see the pass delivered without a definite (my bad, I said 'clear' earlier) striking action, then you should blow
In the cases above, you were 100% right by the rules to blow a free
And you were still right after the game - regardless of what some slow motion replay might have shown
Quote from: marty34 on June 13, 2024, 07:46:10 AMProblen now is Limerick (easily the most as that's their style in the middle third more than anyone else) have went on with it/got away with it for so long, there'd be uproar if a referee blew a foul say, 8 times in a game.
Usual thing is GAA officials 'clamp down' on it in pre-season competition and early league, then it's disguarded unfortunately, except for the odd one now and again.
The genie is out of the bottle.
It can be enforced and that's down to the ref, I'm comfortable in my view of the rule and will call it if I see someone throw the ball. The biggest noise from the sideline is 'throw ball ref' and that will be for every hand pass, so people are claiming throw ball when in lots of cases its not.
I'm nearly sure last year they were going to trail the hand pass with a different approach, the ball needs to come off the hurl and passed?
From my playing days it was very rare in the game, was only in that latter stages of playing that I was, the odd time, throw the ball, strangely Id have been pulled on it 9 out of 10 times.
Few times last night there could have been some thrown balls but with lads in rucks or closed down it was difficult to see
With the amount of rucks in the game now it's near on impossible for referees to get a good line of sight to see if a ball is thrown or not and as someone else says, if you can't see the foul for sure then you can't give it.
But apparently you can
Quote from: johnnycool on June 13, 2024, 08:58:00 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2024, 08:50:40 AMQuote from: Franko on June 13, 2024, 12:19:00 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2024, 11:53:20 PMReleased and struck with a definite striking action of a hand.
So are we to assume that if the referee is not in the correct position to see a hand pass, he should blow his whistle?
Clearly not.
Only an absolute clown would assume that
If you're not in a position to see either way, you can't blow a foul
Same for any infringement
But if you can see it, and you see the pass delivered without a definite (my bad, I said 'clear' earlier) striking action, then you should blow
In the cases above, you were 100% right by the rules to blow a free
And you were still right after the game - regardless of what some slow motion replay might have shown
Quote from: marty34 on June 13, 2024, 07:46:10 AMProblen now is Limerick (easily the most as that's their style in the middle third more than anyone else) have went on with it/got away with it for so long, there'd be uproar if a referee blew a foul say, 8 times in a game.
Usual thing is GAA officials 'clamp down' on it in pre-season competition and early league, then it's disguarded unfortunately, except for the odd one now and again.
The genie is out of the bottle.
It can be enforced and that's down to the ref, I'm comfortable in my view of the rule and will call it if I see someone throw the ball. The biggest noise from the sideline is 'throw ball ref' and that will be for every hand pass, so people are claiming throw ball when in lots of cases its not.
I'm nearly sure last year they were going to trail the hand pass with a different approach, the ball needs to come off the hurl and passed?
From my playing days it was very rare in the game, was only in that latter stages of playing that I was, the odd time, throw the ball, strangely Id have been pulled on it 9 out of 10 times.
Few times last night there could have been some thrown balls but with lads in rucks or closed down it was difficult to see
With the amount of rucks in the game now it's near on impossible for referees to get a good line of sight to see if a ball is thrown or not and as someone else says, if you can't see the foul for sure then you can't give it.
Agreed - a bollox of a job
But there would still be a decent percentage that can be seen
It wouldn't take a lot to nip it in the bud - teams are coached to learn the referee - a couple of early ones blown and that puts it to bed for the rest of the game
The big issue with implementing this will be to get all referees to police it the same - which is nigh on impossible, but no different than any other rule in the book I suppose
Referees also need to be clear on the rule itself
Forgive my wording here
But too many of them seem to think they are looking for the 'presence of a throw' but they are actually looking for the 'absence of a definite striking action'
The wording is spot on. implementing it and dealing with the protests of players, sidelines, management and supporters who, from further away than the ref can see it better!
I'm not sure at coaching level people are coaching kids to throw the ball, I've never seen it or spoke to coaches who would say its part of their coaching.
The players take it on, they watch the games and think they can get away with and in a lot of games probably are.
As for the ref's they aint robots and they will all interpret the rules slightly differently, sure if they can't even get VAR right after multiple views in a professional sport its gives you an idea on how, in a sport that is going at a faster pace
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2024, 12:38:27 PMThe wording is spot on. implementing it and dealing with the protests of players, sidelines, management and supporters who, from further away than the ref can see it better!
I'm not sure at coaching level people are coaching kids to throw the ball, I've never seen it or spoke to coaches who would say its part of their coaching.
The players take it on, they watch the games and think they can get away with and in a lot of games probably are.
As for the ref's they aint robots and they will all interpret the rules slightly differently, sure if they can't even get VAR right after multiple views in a professional sport its gives you an idea on how, in a sport that is going at a faster pace
The first bit is down to the GAA in general. The wording needs to be communicated better - I'm not sure what channels are best for this, but all involved could do with clarification
I do know what you are saying - a great majority of people seem to be of the opinion that if there is the tiniest sliver of daylight between the ball and the hand then they haven't committed a foul
Unfortunately, by the rule book, that's very much not the case
Definite striking action as opposed to a throw would need to be separation from the ball and hand prior to the strike, is that 5mm, 10mm or 100mm?
Two peoples definite strike is subjective.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 13, 2024, 01:48:13 PMDefinite striking action as opposed to a throw would need to be separation from the ball and hand prior to the strike, is that 5mm, 10mm or 100mm?
Two peoples definite strike is subjective.
Fair point, but there are many rules of play in the GAA - both codes - which are subjective
The referee has to make a call
And this is what I mean around the issue of getting them all to police it the same
Whilst it would maybe be best to define this more specifically, I don't think anyone could dispute that a huge amount (overwhelming majority?) of handpasses in the current game do not contain a 'definite striking action'
If that was policed as a start off - I think the issue would fade away
Quote from: Franko on June 13, 2024, 02:02:45 PMQuote from: johnnycool on June 13, 2024, 01:48:13 PMDefinite striking action as opposed to a throw would need to be separation from the ball and hand prior to the strike, is that 5mm, 10mm or 100mm?
Two peoples definite strike is subjective.
Fair point, but there are many rules of play in the GAA - both codes - which are subjective
The referee has to make a call
And this is what I mean around the issue of getting them all to police it the same
Whilst it would maybe be best to define this more specifically, I don't think anyone could dispute that a huge amount (overwhelming majority?) of handpasses in the current game do not contain a 'definite striking action'
If that was policed as a start off - I think the issue would fade away
I would say that vast majority of games that I do or watch locally, are policed well enough, the games you see on TV are not the the vast majority of games played up and down the country at all levels, its 1% if that, I'd break it down even further and say that its mainly a few players from one county team that are 'masters' of throwing the ball as they have it down to a T..
Technical fouls and ordinary fouls are part and parcel, ref's don't get all the technical ones and certainly depending on what side of the fence you are they don't get any of the other ordinary ones!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2024, 02:54:03 PMQuote from: Franko on June 13, 2024, 02:02:45 PMQuote from: johnnycool on June 13, 2024, 01:48:13 PMDefinite striking action as opposed to a throw would need to be separation from the ball and hand prior to the strike, is that 5mm, 10mm or 100mm?
Two peoples definite strike is subjective.
Fair point, but there are many rules of play in the GAA - both codes - which are subjective
The referee has to make a call
And this is what I mean around the issue of getting them all to police it the same
Whilst it would maybe be best to define this more specifically, I don't think anyone could dispute that a huge amount (overwhelming majority?) of handpasses in the current game do not contain a 'definite striking action'
If that was policed as a start off - I think the issue would fade away
I would say that vast majority of games that I do or watch locally, are policed well enough, the games you see on TV are not the the vast majority of games played up and down the country at all levels, its 1% if that, I'd break it down even further and say that its mainly a few players from one county team that are 'masters' of throwing the ball as they have it down to a T..
Technical fouls and ordinary fouls are part and parcel, ref's don't get all the technical ones and certainly depending on what side of the fence you are they don't get any of the other ordinary ones!
It's very simple in these big games refs don't blow anything.
All way through the league they blow fouls and throw balls but when it comes to the Championship games its a free for all. Blow one throw against each team over the course of the game, tick the box and keep the game moving.
Never going to change.
Quote from: NAG1 on June 14, 2024, 09:01:05 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2024, 02:54:03 PMQuote from: Franko on June 13, 2024, 02:02:45 PMQuote from: johnnycool on June 13, 2024, 01:48:13 PMDefinite striking action as opposed to a throw would need to be separation from the ball and hand prior to the strike, is that 5mm, 10mm or 100mm?
Two peoples definite strike is subjective.
Fair point, but there are many rules of play in the GAA - both codes - which are subjective
The referee has to make a call
And this is what I mean around the issue of getting them all to police it the same
Whilst it would maybe be best to define this more specifically, I don't think anyone could dispute that a huge amount (overwhelming majority?) of handpasses in the current game do not contain a 'definite striking action'
If that was policed as a start off - I think the issue would fade away
I would say that vast majority of games that I do or watch locally, are policed well enough, the games you see on TV are not the the vast majority of games played up and down the country at all levels, its 1% if that, I'd break it down even further and say that its mainly a few players from one county team that are 'masters' of throwing the ball as they have it down to a T..
Technical fouls and ordinary fouls are part and parcel, ref's don't get all the technical ones and certainly depending on what side of the fence you are they don't get any of the other ordinary ones!
It's very simple in these big games refs don't blow anything.
All way through the league they blow fouls and throw balls but when it comes to the Championship games its a free for all. Blow one throw against each team over the course of the game, tick the box and keep the game moving.
Never going to change.
Intercounty or club?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2024, 09:22:30 AMQuote from: NAG1 on June 14, 2024, 09:01:05 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2024, 02:54:03 PMQuote from: Franko on June 13, 2024, 02:02:45 PMQuote from: johnnycool on June 13, 2024, 01:48:13 PMDefinite striking action as opposed to a throw would need to be separation from the ball and hand prior to the strike, is that 5mm, 10mm or 100mm?
Two peoples definite strike is subjective.
Fair point, but there are many rules of play in the GAA - both codes - which are subjective
The referee has to make a call
And this is what I mean around the issue of getting them all to police it the same
Whilst it would maybe be best to define this more specifically, I don't think anyone could dispute that a huge amount (overwhelming majority?) of handpasses in the current game do not contain a 'definite striking action'
If that was policed as a start off - I think the issue would fade away
I would say that vast majority of games that I do or watch locally, are policed well enough, the games you see on TV are not the the vast majority of games played up and down the country at all levels, its 1% if that, I'd break it down even further and say that its mainly a few players from one county team that are 'masters' of throwing the ball as they have it down to a T..
Technical fouls and ordinary fouls are part and parcel, ref's don't get all the technical ones and certainly depending on what side of the fence you are they don't get any of the other ordinary ones!
It's very simple in these big games refs don't blow anything.
All way through the league they blow fouls and throw balls but when it comes to the Championship games its a free for all. Blow one throw against each team over the course of the game, tick the box and keep the game moving.
Never going to change.
Intercounty or club?
Intercounty I was referring too in this one.
But only applies when certain counties are playing.
Quote from: NAG1 on June 14, 2024, 09:25:20 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2024, 09:22:30 AMQuote from: NAG1 on June 14, 2024, 09:01:05 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2024, 02:54:03 PMQuote from: Franko on June 13, 2024, 02:02:45 PMQuote from: johnnycool on June 13, 2024, 01:48:13 PMDefinite striking action as opposed to a throw would need to be separation from the ball and hand prior to the strike, is that 5mm, 10mm or 100mm?
Two peoples definite strike is subjective.
Fair point, but there are many rules of play in the GAA - both codes - which are subjective
The referee has to make a call
And this is what I mean around the issue of getting them all to police it the same
Whilst it would maybe be best to define this more specifically, I don't think anyone could dispute that a huge amount (overwhelming majority?) of handpasses in the current game do not contain a 'definite striking action'
If that was policed as a start off - I think the issue would fade away
I would say that vast majority of games that I do or watch locally, are policed well enough, the games you see on TV are not the the vast majority of games played up and down the country at all levels, its 1% if that, I'd break it down even further and say that its mainly a few players from one county team that are 'masters' of throwing the ball as they have it down to a T..
Technical fouls and ordinary fouls are part and parcel, ref's don't get all the technical ones and certainly depending on what side of the fence you are they don't get any of the other ordinary ones!
It's very simple in these big games refs don't blow anything.
All way through the league they blow fouls and throw balls but when it comes to the Championship games its a free for all. Blow one throw against each team over the course of the game, tick the box and keep the game moving.
Never going to change.
Intercounty or club?
Intercounty I was referring too in this one.
But only applies when certain counties are playing.
As I said you could break it down to certain players never mind counties
Its simple enough to target these lads and just say that we are not seeing a clear striking motion and until that changes we will pull you up on it
Expecting Cork to overrun Offaly tomorrow night and also Wexford to have too much for Laois, although I think that one will be tighter.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 14, 2024, 03:12:57 PMExpecting Cork to overrun Offaly tomorrow night and also Wexford to have too much for Laois, although I think that one will be tighter.
A 18 point handicap and a 9 point handicap for the Laois game, which is about right, The Cork game will have plenty of goals in it, expect about 5.. 4 of them for Cork..
If Laois can get over the game, that they basically for large parts off, were the better team, reduce the 18 wides they had and missed goal opportunities then they can get closer. Just think Wexford will have too much in the end
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2024, 03:43:32 PMQuote from: johnnycool on June 14, 2024, 03:12:57 PMExpecting Cork to overrun Offaly tomorrow night and also Wexford to have too much for Laois, although I think that one will be tighter.
A 18 point handicap and a 9 point handicap for the Laois game, which is about right, The Cork game will have plenty of goals in it, expect about 5.. 4 of them for Cork..
If Laois can get over the game, that they basically for large parts off, were the better team, reduce the 18 wides they had and missed goal opportunities then they can get closer. Just think Wexford will have too much in the end
I thought that too in the Joe McDonagh final, but not wanting to rage against the Biffo tide of greatness sweeping their county.
Laois lost that game rather than Offaly win it I thought.
Harsh enough turn around on Offaly is it not??
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 14, 2024, 03:55:31 PMHarsh enough turn around on Offaly is it not??
Not really, they have entry into Leinster next year and have won the Joe McD. Great season for them and back at the top table.
Its not like they are going to put 70 minutes into this game, combative enough for a while then will fall away with 15 to go
Some pace off that strike from Hayes
Cork and Wexford, as expected, well in control.
Cork seem to have another gear in them.
Quote from: marty34 on June 15, 2024, 05:57:56 PMCork and Wexford, as expected, well in control.
Cork seem to have another gear in them.
Laois have scored 4 from play. 10 frees
These are just 'warm up' matches for the Clare and Dublin games.
Skinny has blown a "throw" in the first 20 seconds of this Clare v KK minor semi :) be interesting to see if he maintains it
Clare minor played the ball to the stand after the sideline was given to Kilkenny.
Referee gave a free in. Exact same scenario as KK seniors in their league game a few months ago.
Good refereeing but silly by the young Clare player.
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 16, 2024, 01:02:24 PMSkinny has blown a "throw" in the first 20 seconds of this Clare v KK minor semi :) be interesting to see if he maintains it
Never seen game, how many throws were there after that?
Quote from: marty34 on June 16, 2024, 02:06:41 PMClare minor played the ball to the stand after the sideline was given to Kilkenny.
Referee gave a free in. Exact same scenario as KK seniors in their league game a few months ago.
Good refereeing but silly by the young Clare player.
always a free, well last few years .. petulance or slowing down a sideline is no different to someone slowing down a free
I think he's a very good ref him.
Quote from: marty34 on June 15, 2024, 06:09:17 PMThese are just 'warm up' matches for the Clare and Dublin games.
Well Cork have a fair bit of warming up to do this week considering how easy Offaly created goal chances against them with straight running at their defence.
Maybe it was one of those games they couldn't really get motivated for and they'll give Dublin a bit more respect on Saturday and that'll tell us where Cork really are.
I can see Wexford maybe pull off a bit of a shock in the other semi-final as Clare haven't really been setting the world on fire and if Conor McDonald gets a few one-on-ones with Cleery he'll do damage.
Clare need Tony Kelly to be firing and also to get SOD into the game more. I get all this long range shooting but every once in a while play a decent ball into their forwards to go for the kill.
I think Clare will blow holes in Wexford, bit of reaction to their last result.
Cork will be too strong for Dublin, it could be messy if Dublin turn up in the same form as the did against KK.
The minor game was a good watch, Clare sending off really killed them down the stretch.
Quote from: NAG1 on June 17, 2024, 12:10:48 PMI think Clare will blow holes in Wexford, bit of reaction to their last result.
Cork will be too strong for Dublin, it could be messy if Dublin turn up in the same form as the did against KK.
The minor game was a good watch, Clare sending off really killed them down the stretch.
I was hoping for more from Brian Hayes (and Dublin in general TBF) but he was seriously disappointing to the extent his touch and decision making was atrocious at this level. Hopefully it may be a one-off and Cork historically won't bring the physicality of Kilkenny and that may suit the Dubs.
Clare are maybe looking to have issues at 3 (well known at this point) and 6 where John Conlon has been a rock but time and tide waits for no man, but Lohan has by and large been loyal to both so both will need to put in dominant performances if Clare are serious about going beyond the semi-final stages, but Wexford will be gunning for them and will want to get off to a good start.
We're into knock out stuff now so there's no point in holding anything back for any team now.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 17, 2024, 02:03:12 PMQuote from: NAG1 on June 17, 2024, 12:10:48 PMI think Clare will blow holes in Wexford, bit of reaction to their last result.
Cork will be too strong for Dublin, it could be messy if Dublin turn up in the same form as the did against KK.
The minor game was a good watch, Clare sending off really killed them down the stretch.
I was hoping for more from Brian Hayes (and Dublin in general TBF) but he was seriously disappointing to the extent his touch and decision making was atrocious at this level. Hopefully it may be a one-off and Cork historically won't bring the physicality of Kilkenny and that may suit the Dubs.
Clare are maybe looking to have issues at 3 (well known at this point) and 6 where John Conlon has been a rock but time and tide waits for no man, but Lohan has by and large been loyal to both so both will need to put in dominant performances if Clare are serious about going beyond the semi-final stages, but Wexford will be gunning for them and will want to get off to a good start.
We're into knock out stuff now so there's no point in holding anything back for any team now.
Also, these games are fierce early in the day for a Saturday throw in...
The brother in law may stick his plasterboarding up his hole in the afternoon. ;D
Clare will be under a bit of pressure V Wexford. They just didn't click V Limerick. TK got 3 points yet they brought him out the field which was strange. It's all about the mental aspect for Lohan and his Clare lads now.
Wexford will be well prepared. Handy enough run out at the week-end, run up a good score V Laois and got a run out. KR has them going grand and they'll fancy their chances.
Dublin need a good performance V Cork. In a similar way to Clare, they were very poor V KK and need to show a bit of bite. What Dublin will turn up?
Cork concede a lot, they'll score a lot but they're flaky at the back. I'm still not convinced by Cork. Maybe because they've flattered to deceive far too often in the past.
Quote from: marty34 on June 17, 2024, 09:02:08 PMClare will be under a bit of pressure V Wexford. They just didn't click V Limerick. TK got 3 points yet they brought him out the field which was strange. It's all about the mental aspect for Lohan and his Clare lads now.
Wexford will be well prepared. Handy enough run out at the week-end, run up a good score V Laois and got a run out. KR has them going grand and they'll fancy their chances.
Dublin need a good performance V Cork. In a similar way to Clare, they were very poor V KK and need to show a bit of bite. What Dublin will turn up?
Cork concede a lot, they'll score a lot but they're flaky at the back. I'm still not convinced by Cork. Maybe because they've flattered to deceive far too often in the past.
Cork produced the goods in that one game v Limerick and put a desperate Tipp to the sword well in the end so it's in them, but are they consistent enough to do that again come a semi-final v Limerick as I think they'll see off Dublin in Thurles this Saturday.
That's if Clare can get Wexford done and that's far from a given for me for the reasons I've outlined already.
Just not convinced by Cork that they won't do what they have always done recently, after taking care of Dublin.
Happy to be proved wrong though. Limerick were ominous last day out and seem to be getting their main men (barring Lynch) back to their best just at the right time, unfortunately for the rest.
Is the semi finals an open draw or predetermined?
The sending off probably has ended this as a contest
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 22, 2024, 03:54:11 PMThe sending off probably has ended this as a contest
Absolutely - Wexford just trying to keep it respectable after that.
Jesus, Dublin are infuriating to watch, played standoffish hurling for 65 odd minutes then all of a sudden decided to go for it and had Cork on the ropes but too little, too late... Why not play like that from the start FFS???
Cork aren't great and whilst I think they'll put it up to Limerick for half an hour or so, Limerick will power through them in the end. Limerick are the masters of learning from their mistakes, Kiely and Kinnerk will have a plan for Cork going long and hoping to break the ball off to the runners coming through on the angles.
Clare just did enough and whilst the two yellows (the first in particular) were harsh they still are dogged by inconsistency in their forwards, Shanagher got a start, did some nice things then died off. Duggan didn't really get into the game and was subbed. Galvin come on and did get a few good scores but that seems to be his role from now on. Kelly looked a bit better coming from midfield onto the ball, but can they afford him in midfield against Kilkenny? Fitzgerald, who was flying in the league did a few bits only as well.
If fairness to big Cleary he did well on both McDonald and Chin when they were put into the edge of the square, but it looked like Wex played with the three forwards in their so there was less space for the ball to land into and that suited Cleary as Hogan and Leen were there to cover the ground.
Kilkenny won't be overly concerned by anything they saw on Saturday.
As expected, 3 Munster teams in thd semi-finals. KK the Leinster standard besrer.
This semi-final will be huge for Clare. Lose it, moreso then the recent Munster Finals and the pressure will be on Lohan and the Clare County Board. This is a huge game for them.
Shanagher scored 1-4 in 30 mins in club game recently and thst's whyhe got the nod on Saturday. Good outlet for puckouts also if he drops to half-forward, with Duggan on the other side. With these changes, it's hard to know what Clare's settled 15 is.
Butler will pick up Kelly. Shanagher, if he starts, will be picked up by Lawlor. Who do they put on SOD though? Deegan or Carey maybe?
Cleary would love if T.J. went to the edge of the square as that's suit Clare. Cody movement, like Gillane, is a nightmare to handle and Cleary mightn't fancy that. Clare need to avoid Richie Reid unless they get someone like Duggan in on top of him, win breaks and not let Reid pick passes.
Adrian Mullan is the key man for Kilkenny. Plays very very deep, i.e. corner back and delivers great ball in. He can hit points also. A huge asset back for Kilkenny. John Donnelly hurling well - fulfilling his undoubted potential. A huge game here and these two could be in shout for HOTY award.
Cork got over the line but not 100% convincing. No goals either which is their go to this year. Hard to know but you'd think Croke Park will suit them. Limerick have 2 more games to make history. In a way, I believe they could potentially win another 3 or 4 All-Irelands with this squad.
Kiely has a good few young lads blooded now - O'Brien, English, Coughlan, O Dálaigh and Fergal O'Connor etc. Huge talent coming through. G. Mulcahy and English have the experience from the bench also. A great combination.
I can't see past them V Cork.
Galway, for me, were the biggest disappointment this year. I saw them in Corrigan V Antrim and I thought they were shocking. Granted, the early second half sending off of Mc Garry helped them but they still struggled. I thought they were very poor. We were behind Shefflin and the Galway bench and he was looking the ball played in early to the two lads inside - Niland and Whelan but they kept playing the extra pass in the middle third. At one time he kicked a water bottle, such was his frustration at the slow build up play.
Watching them since, on tv, has changed my mind. Very disappointing year for them.
Quote from: marty34 on June 24, 2024, 09:38:24 AMAs expected, 3 Munster teams in thd semi-finals. KK the Leinster standard besrer.
This semi-final will be huge for Clare. Lose it, moreso then the recent Munster Finals and the pressure will be on Lohan and the Clare County Board. This is a huge game for them.
Shanagher scored 1-4 in 30 mins in club game recently and thst's whyhe got the nod on Saturday. Good outlet for puckouts also if he drops to half-forward, with Duggan on the other side. With these changes, it's hard to know what Clare's settled 15 is.
Butler will pick up Kelly. Shanagher, if he starts, will be picked up by Lawlor. Who do they put on SOD though? Deegan or Carey maybe?
Cleary would love if T.J. went to the edge of the square as that's suit Clare. Cody movement, like Gillane, is a nightmare to handle and Cleary mightn't fancy that. Clare need to avoid Richie Reid unless they get someone like Duggan in on top of him, win breaks and not let Reid pick passes.
Adrian Mullan is the key man for Kilkenny. Plays very very deep, i.e. corner back and delivers great ball in. He can hit points also. A huge asset back for Kilkenny. John Donnelly hurling well - fulfilling his undoubted potential. A huge game here and these two could be in shout for HOTY award.
Cork got over the line but not 100% convincing. No goals either which is their go to this year. Hard to know but you'd think Croke Park will suit them. Limerick have 2 more games to make history. In a way, I believe they could potentially win another 3 or 4 All-Irelands with this squad.
Kiely has a good few young lads blooded now - O'Brien, English, Coughlan, O Dálaigh and Fergal O'Connor etc. Huge talent coming through. G. Mulcahy and English have the experience from the bench also. A great combination.
I can't see past them V Cork.
Galway, for me, were the biggest disappointment this year. I saw them in Corrigan V Antrim and I thought they were shocking. Granted, the early second half sending off of Mc Garry helped them but they still struggled. I thought they were very poor. We were behind Shefflin and the Galway bench and he was looking the ball played in early to the two lads inside - Niland and Whelan but they kept playing the extra pass in the middle third. At one time he kicked a water bottle, such was his frustration at the slow build up play.
Watching them since, on tv, has changed my mind. Very disappointing year for them.
If Clare leave Richie Reid free they deserve to get beat. He was out of the reckoning at centre back until both Galway and Dublin made a hero out of him by giving him the freedom of the park to pick out passes right, left and centre.
If Kelly starts in midfield Butler will be sent to pick up O'Donnell who probably is a bigger threat than Kelly at the minute anyway.
The Clare defence have to keep Donnelly, Mullen and Cody quiet, let alone TJ. This may be a more traditional test of their defence as they stay closer to goal than their Limerick counterparts, so Conlon and Co will need to be on their toes.
IMO Kilkenny have improved from last year (barring MF) and I'm not sure Clare have although Leen is a find for them.
AI Semi final 3pm on a Saturday - are they seriously trying to kill the game :o
Quote from: NAG1 on June 24, 2024, 01:43:59 PMAI Semi final 3pm on a Saturday - are they seriously trying to kill the game :o
Is that because RTE is also televising a Euro game that evening?
Quote from: johnnycool on June 24, 2024, 02:07:44 PMQuote from: NAG1 on June 24, 2024, 01:43:59 PMAI Semi final 3pm on a Saturday - are they seriously trying to kill the game :o
Is that because RTE is also televising a Euro game that evening?
Yeah
Limerick and Cork have almost sold out Croke Park, two counties with huge support.
The trains will be busy that day.
Clare and Kilkenny will be doing well to get 50K but I think that'll be the better game.
Really hope Clare can bounce back.
Quote from: NAG1 on June 28, 2024, 10:34:06 AMReally hope Clare can bounce back.
Lohan has over thought this game the last few times and got his tactics wrong, he needs to decide on his front 5/6 and get the ball into them whichever way but loose.
I expect Kelly to stay out the field and come running onto the ball, Whether Butler is sent out that far I'd not be so sure about.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 28, 2024, 11:18:27 AMQuote from: NAG1 on June 28, 2024, 10:34:06 AMReally hope Clare can bounce back.
Lohan has over thought this game the last few times and got his tactics wrong, he needs to decide on his front 5/6 and get the ball into them whichever way but loose.
I expect Kelly to stay out the field and come running onto the ball, Whether Butler is sent out that far I'd not be so sure about.
To be fair the have shown snippets in games of getting it right, but then they go away from it and struggle as a result. SO'D could win this on his own if they play it right.
TK needs to pick up a bit of form but hopefully for the sake of the game we can see him at his best.
Not sure about KK, hard to judge off the Dublin game, they got a lot of it right but was it as a result of how bad Dublin were?
Quote from: NAG1 on June 28, 2024, 11:30:58 AMQuote from: johnnycool on June 28, 2024, 11:18:27 AMQuote from: NAG1 on June 28, 2024, 10:34:06 AMReally hope Clare can bounce back.
Lohan has over thought this game the last few times and got his tactics wrong, he needs to decide on his front 5/6 and get the ball into them whichever way but loose.
I expect Kelly to stay out the field and come running onto the ball, Whether Butler is sent out that far I'd not be so sure about.
To be fair the have shown snippets in games of getting it right, but then they go away from it and struggle as a result. SO'D could win this on his own if they play it right.
TK needs to pick up a bit of form but hopefully for the sake of the game we can see him at his best.
Not sure about KK, hard to judge off the Dublin game, they got a lot of it right but was it as a result of how bad Dublin were?
Neil McManus was right in his analysis of Kilkenny post Leinster final, they went into that game with questions being asked of their defence and those questions still need answered.
That stroll in the park could hinder Kilkenny but if there's one team mentally in-tune for an AI semi-final it's them, but Clare have to get about that Kilkenny defence early doors and sow seeds of doubt as up the other end Kilkenny have a very good set of forwards who will score well against this Clare defence.
Quote from: NAG1 on June 28, 2024, 11:30:58 AMQuote from: johnnycool on June 28, 2024, 11:18:27 AMQuote from: NAG1 on June 28, 2024, 10:34:06 AMReally hope Clare can bounce back.
Lohan has over thought this game the last few times and got his tactics wrong, he needs to decide on his front 5/6 and get the ball into them whichever way but loose.
I expect Kelly to stay out the field and come running onto the ball, Whether Butler is sent out that far I'd not be so sure about.
To be fair the have shown snippets in games of getting it right, but then they go away from it and struggle as a result. SO'D could win this on his own if they play it right.
TK needs to pick up a bit of form but hopefully for the sake of the game we can see him at his best.
Not sure about KK, hard to judge off the Dublin game, they got a lot of it right but was it as a result of how bad Dublin were?
KK are KK - you know what you'll get, regardless of opposition. They'll give everything in terms of effort and workrate etc.
Lohan, and Clare need to change things up. They have to. In a way, others, apart from Kelly and O'Donnell, need to stand up and be counted. It's a 20 man game now.
People like Conlon at No. 6 needs to dominate. Quilligan needs to make no mistakes. Cathal Malone, in mid-field, needs to have a stormer. Ryan at wing-half back needs to tag 3 scores from play.
Rogers needs to come alive in Croke Park. Reidy/Galvin need big games.
For me, this game is all about Clare. This is now or never for Clare. To lose 3 Munster Finals and then lose 3 AI semi-finals to Kilkenny will be fatal for Clare.
Quote from: marty34 on June 28, 2024, 01:16:37 PMQuote from: NAG1 on June 28, 2024, 11:30:58 AMQuote from: johnnycool on June 28, 2024, 11:18:27 AMQuote from: NAG1 on June 28, 2024, 10:34:06 AMReally hope Clare can bounce back.
Lohan has over thought this game the last few times and got his tactics wrong, he needs to decide on his front 5/6 and get the ball into them whichever way but loose.
I expect Kelly to stay out the field and come running onto the ball, Whether Butler is sent out that far I'd not be so sure about.
To be fair the have shown snippets in games of getting it right, but then they go away from it and struggle as a result. SO'D could win this on his own if they play it right.
TK needs to pick up a bit of form but hopefully for the sake of the game we can see him at his best.
Not sure about KK, hard to judge off the Dublin game, they got a lot of it right but was it as a result of how bad Dublin were?
KK are KK - you know what you'll get, regardless of opposition. They'll give everything in terms of effort and workrate etc.
Lohan, and Clare need to change things up. They have to. In a way, others, apart from Kelly and O'Donnell, need to stand up and be counted. It's a 20 man game now.
People like Conlon at No. 6 needs to dominate. Quilligan needs to make no mistakes. Cathal Malone, in mid-field, needs to have a stormer. Ryan at wing-half back needs to tag 3 scores from play.
Rogers needs to come alive in Croke Park. Reidy/Galvin need big games.
For me, this game is all about Clare. This is now or never for Clare. To lose 3 Munster Finals and then lose 3 AI semi-finals to Kilkenny will be fatal for Clare.
Limerick aside...the margins between the other counties is so narrow...it can come down to the timing of an attack
Trying to get tickets for Limerick cork on Sunday on Ticketmaster none seem be available the game would hardly sell out?
This ref has been a disgrace in the minor final, he should probably find a new hobby
Quote from: Kidder81 on June 29, 2024, 06:57:26 PMThis ref has been a disgrace in the minor final, he should probably find a new hobby
By the law, he was right with the reds.
What a win for Tipp minors!
Shocking from KK against 13 men. You'd never have known tipp were at a disadvantage the way KK played.
Tipp deserved it in normal time. Some courage and heart there.
Quote from: marty34 on June 29, 2024, 07:43:09 PMTipp deserved it in normal time. Some courage and heart there.
Got to see about 20 minutes of the second half of normal time and Tipp even with the 13 men looked to be the most threatening and should have finished it at the end of that half.
Kilkenny players were very greedy, shooting badly for way out the field and gave their forwards poor ball to work with.
Fair play to Tipp, to go on and win still with the 13 players for another 20 minutes takes some doing.
When you see the usual suspects on Twitter giving off about the Ref in the minor game makes you take a second look at things.
First one was tough on the lad but he struck with the hurl, linesman called it, striking is a red card offence like it or not.
Second one was clear cut, drove the should in to the chest and head of an opponent. Contact with the head is a red card offence and players know this now.
All that being said, some performance by the 13 men to stay in the game.
Quote from: NAG1 on July 01, 2024, 09:52:44 AMWhen you see the usual suspects on Twitter giving off about the Ref in the minor game makes you take a second look at things.
First one was tough on the lad but he struck with the hurl, linesman called it, striking is a red card offence like it or not.
Second one was clear cut, drove the should in to the chest and head of an opponent. Contact with the head is a red card offence and players know this now.
All that being said, some performance by the 13 men to stay in the game.
Watched a clip of that one where the Tipp lad swung out with a one handed pull on the Kilkenny lad. I believe if the referee had seen that for himself he probably wouldn't have sent him off even if by the letter of the law he was entirely justified in doing so.
Once you bring in the linesman it was always going to be how he interpreted the level of force/intent in that pull as it wasn't really full blooded, but the lad himself and Tipp should have no complaints either way.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 01, 2024, 03:55:33 PMQuote from: NAG1 on July 01, 2024, 09:52:44 AMWhen you see the usual suspects on Twitter giving off about the Ref in the minor game makes you take a second look at things.
First one was tough on the lad but he struck with the hurl, linesman called it, striking is a red card offence like it or not.
Second one was clear cut, drove the should in to the chest and head of an opponent. Contact with the head is a red card offence and players know this now.
All that being said, some performance by the 13 men to stay in the game.
Watched a clip of that one where the Tipp lad swung out with a one handed pull on the Kilkenny lad. I believe if the referee had seen that for himself he probably wouldn't have sent him off even if by the letter of the law he was entirely justified in doing so.
Once you bring in the linesman it was always going to be how he interpreted the level of force/intent in that pull as it wasn't really full blooded, but the lad himself and Tipp should have no complaints either way.
This is where I tend to have problems with, for me it has to be definitive and having complete trust in your linesmen..
When reds are involved I'm asking the linesman would I send him off lol
Davy Fitz steps down
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 02, 2024, 10:10:55 PMDavy Fitz steps down
That'll be the end of his IC management I'd have thought. Can't see any of the tier one teams looking him, too much of a sideshow with him.
Ballygunner manager will probably take it on after the club championships are over.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 03, 2024, 11:27:28 AMQuote from: Saffrongael on July 02, 2024, 10:10:55 PMDavy Fitz steps down
That'll be the end of his IC management I'd have thought. Can't see any of the tier one teams looking him, too much of a sideshow with him.
Ballygunner manager will probably take it on after the club championships are over.
Galway?
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 03, 2024, 11:32:05 AMQuote from: johnnycool on July 03, 2024, 11:27:28 AMQuote from: Saffrongael on July 02, 2024, 10:10:55 PMDavy Fitz steps down
That'll be the end of his IC management I'd have thought. Can't see any of the tier one teams looking him, too much of a sideshow with him.
Ballygunner manager will probably take it on after the club championships are over.
Galway?
Doubt it.
If Shefflin goes, knowing there's a bit of rebuilding to do it'll need someone who knows a lot about Galway hurling and what's available at club and underage level to bring into that squad.
Davy isn't know for bringing young lads through other than his native Clare in 2013 and that was with Kinnerk alongside him.
Galway need rid of Shefflin of that there is no doubt, but would they be mad enough to give Davy a final lash at IC Management?
Or would he be crazy enough to take over after Gleeson in Antrim :o
Quote from: johnnycool on July 03, 2024, 11:40:48 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 03, 2024, 11:32:05 AMQuote from: johnnycool on July 03, 2024, 11:27:28 AMQuote from: Saffrongael on July 02, 2024, 10:10:55 PMDavy Fitz steps down
That'll be the end of his IC management I'd have thought. Can't see any of the tier one teams looking him, too much of a sideshow with him.
Ballygunner manager will probably take it on after the club championships are over.
Galway?
Doubt it.
If Shefflin goes, knowing there's a bit of rebuilding to do it'll need someone who knows a lot about Galway hurling and what's available at club and underage level to bring into that squad.
Davy isn't know for bringing young lads through other than his native Clare in 2013 and that was with Kinnerk alongside him.
Know very little about hurling but can't see Shefflin staying with Galway.
Davy to Antrim possible?
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 03, 2024, 11:43:09 AMQuote from: johnnycool on July 03, 2024, 11:40:48 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 03, 2024, 11:32:05 AMQuote from: johnnycool on July 03, 2024, 11:27:28 AMQuote from: Saffrongael on July 02, 2024, 10:10:55 PMDavy Fitz steps down
That'll be the end of his IC management I'd have thought. Can't see any of the tier one teams looking him, too much of a sideshow with him.
Ballygunner manager will probably take it on after the club championships are over.
Galway?
Doubt it.
If Shefflin goes, knowing there's a bit of rebuilding to do it'll need someone who knows a lot about Galway hurling and what's available at club and underage level to bring into that squad.
Davy isn't know for bringing young lads through other than his native Clare in 2013 and that was with Kinnerk alongside him.
Know very little about hurling but can't see Shefflin staying with Galway.
Davy to Antrim possible?
Cahill might well be gone from Tipp, O'Donoghue from Dublin, Shefflin from Galway, Gleeson may be in with a shout of the Tipp job, but Cummins is probably better placed after taking their U20's for the last few years and winning a Munster title this year.
Davy won't go to Antrim due to the lack of publicity being up there.
Only one of them I can see being a viable option for Davy is Dublin.
He is high profile and exactly what Dublin need at this stage to raise the profile, like him or not he is box office and brings a lot of attention.
Don't think any of the other top tier teams touch him at this point.
Quote from: NAG1 on July 03, 2024, 01:00:01 PMOnly one of them I can see being a viable option for Davy is Dublin.
He is high profile and exactly what Dublin need at this stage to raise the profile, like him or not he is box office and brings a lot of attention.
Don't think any of the other top tier teams touch him at this point.
Think your right. Galway need to get a homer this time, is enough great hurlers there won an All Ireland and played in finals and at the top level to take it on.
Antrim is like one step forward two back most frustrating county, can't see Davy heading there either.
Daly had great time at Dublin would suit his old team-mate and they dish out good money €€€
Expected full house for Cork v Limerick on Sunday. For Saturday Clare v Kilkenny 35,000.
Quote from: Truthsayer on July 03, 2024, 01:22:03 PMQuote from: NAG1 on July 03, 2024, 01:00:01 PMOnly one of them I can see being a viable option for Davy is Dublin.
He is high profile and exactly what Dublin need at this stage to raise the profile, like him or not he is box office and brings a lot of attention.
Don't think any of the other top tier teams touch him at this point.
Think your right. Galway need to get a homer this time, is enough great hurlers there won an All Ireland and played in finals and at the top level to take it on.
Antrim is like one step forward two back most frustrating county, can't see Davy heading there either.
Daly had great time at Dublin would suit his old team-mate and they dish out good money €€€
Is Daly's effort with Dublin not overstated a bit?
Quote from: marty34 on July 03, 2024, 03:16:38 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on July 03, 2024, 01:22:03 PMQuote from: NAG1 on July 03, 2024, 01:00:01 PMOnly one of them I can see being a viable option for Davy is Dublin.
He is high profile and exactly what Dublin need at this stage to raise the profile, like him or not he is box office and brings a lot of attention.
Don't think any of the other top tier teams touch him at this point.
Think your right. Galway need to get a homer this time, is enough great hurlers there won an All Ireland and played in finals and at the top level to take it on.
Antrim is like one step forward two back most frustrating county, can't see Davy heading there either.
Daly had great time at Dublin would suit his old team-mate and they dish out good money €€€
Is Daly's effort with Dublin not overstated a bit?
His lowest point being Antrim beating Dublin ;)
That said it was generally close between them at that time
I think the quote was Daly had a great time, not necessarily that Dublin had the greatest time as a team.
I just feel Dublin need more than a coach, they need someone to generate interest in Hurling, high profile and someone who will bring the level up. I think Davy the ideal candidate for all of that.
Will eventually end in tears but if you know that when you start out at least you can be prepared.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 03, 2024, 03:07:21 PMExpected full house for Cork v Limerick on Sunday. For Saturday Clare v Kilkenny 35,000.
Two counties with large city populations and two counties with rural populations.
CP didn't help with the 3PM throw in on the Saturday, stil think it'll be the better game to watch.
Shefflin steps down in Galway
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 03, 2024, 04:30:15 PMShefflin steps down in Galway
Always thought it was a bad move. Cody didn't think it was a clever move either and upped the mind games in every Kilkenny v Galway encounter.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 03, 2024, 04:34:17 PMQuote from: Kidder81 on July 03, 2024, 04:30:15 PMShefflin steps down in Galway
Always thought it was a bad move. Cody didn't think it was a clever move either and upped the mind games in every Kilkenny v Galway encounter.
He wanted the step up to IC level and Cody was always going to leave on his own terms, Henry couldn't wait on that.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 03, 2024, 04:29:57 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 03, 2024, 03:07:21 PMExpected full house for Cork v Limerick on Sunday. For Saturday Clare v Kilkenny 35,000.
Two counties with large city populations and two counties with rural populations.
CP didn't help with the 3PM throw in on the Saturday, stil think it'll be the better game to watch.
In saying that, it's a great opportunity to get young lads/lassies in underage teams down to the semi-final on the Saturday.
A great day out.
Quote from: marty34 on July 03, 2024, 03:16:38 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on July 03, 2024, 01:22:03 PMQuote from: NAG1 on July 03, 2024, 01:00:01 PMOnly one of them I can see being a viable option for Davy is Dublin.
He is high profile and exactly what Dublin need at this stage to raise the profile, like him or not he is box office and brings a lot of attention.
Don't think any of the other top tier teams touch him at this point.
Think your right. Galway need to get a homer this time, is enough great hurlers there won an All Ireland and played in finals and at the top level to take it on.
Antrim is like one step forward two back most frustrating county, can't see Davy heading there either.
Daly had great time at Dublin would suit his old team-mate and they dish out good money €€€
Is Daly's effort with Dublin not overstated a bit?
I'm not across his while tenure there but he made them contenders, first Leinster title in 52 years. Also was very hard done by in All Ireland semi-final a harsh sending off swayed the game in Corks favour.
Quote from: Truthsayer on July 03, 2024, 07:10:05 PMQuote from: marty34 on July 03, 2024, 03:16:38 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on July 03, 2024, 01:22:03 PMQuote from: NAG1 on July 03, 2024, 01:00:01 PMOnly one of them I can see being a viable option for Davy is Dublin.
He is high profile and exactly what Dublin need at this stage to raise the profile, like him or not he is box office and brings a lot of attention.
Don't think any of the other top tier teams touch him at this point.
Think your right. Galway need to get a homer this time, is enough great hurlers there won an All Ireland and played in finals and at the top level to take it on.
Antrim is like one step forward two back most frustrating county, can't see Davy heading there either.
Daly had great time at Dublin would suit his old team-mate and they dish out good money €€€
Is Daly's effort with Dublin not overstated a bit?
I'm not across his while tenure there but he made them contenders, first Leinster title in 52 years. Also was very hard done by in All Ireland semi-final a harsh sending off swayed the game in Corks favour.
Fair point but this is what I thought.
It was a one off. If you are going to make a difference/impact, it needs to be over a few years in my opinion.
Was the tipp Dub man who connected with helmet?
Think it was harsh but that season that was brought in to crack down on?
Quote from: marty34 on July 03, 2024, 07:15:21 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on July 03, 2024, 07:10:05 PMQuote from: marty34 on July 03, 2024, 03:16:38 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on July 03, 2024, 01:22:03 PMQuote from: NAG1 on July 03, 2024, 01:00:01 PMOnly one of them I can see being a viable option for Davy is Dublin.
He is high profile and exactly what Dublin need at this stage to raise the profile, like him or not he is box office and brings a lot of attention.
Don't think any of the other top tier teams touch him at this point.
Think your right. Galway need to get a homer this time, is enough great hurlers there won an All Ireland and played in finals and at the top level to take it on.
Antrim is like one step forward two back most frustrating county, can't see Davy heading there either.
Daly had great time at Dublin would suit his old team-mate and they dish out good money €€€
Is Daly's effort with Dublin not overstated a bit?
I'm not across his while tenure there but he made them contenders, first Leinster title in 52 years. Also was very hard done by in All Ireland semi-final a harsh sending off swayed the game in Corks favour.
Fair point but this is what I thought.
It was a one off. If you are going to make a difference/impact, it needs to be over a few years in my opinion.
He took Dublin from 2008 to 2014. Also he led them to a first National Hurling League Div 1 win since 1939 beating Kilkenny in the final in sixty-five years (admitedly I googled that!)
In 2013 that first Leinster title 52 years beat by Cork AI semi-final by 5 points. I was at that and just recall was a harsh sending off though don't fully remember the incident. Cork pulled away then.
Quit following year... thats not bad work in 6 years. Antrim be glad of it!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 03, 2024, 07:16:34 PMWas the tipp Dub man who connected with helmet?
Think it was harsh but that season that was brought in to crack down on?
Aye YouTube... 2nd yellow... Can't rem the first yellow. Severe enough. Was great game Dublin point up and that ended it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TPcOl18L1I4
Bit of a merry go round situation in a few jobs now.
Could be an interesting off season.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 03, 2024, 03:07:21 PMExpected full house for Cork v Limerick on Sunday. For Saturday Clare v Kilkenny 35,000.
Only terrace tickets left. I'd expect they'll be gone soon.
Quote from: Dag Dog on July 04, 2024, 12:00:08 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 03, 2024, 03:07:21 PMExpected full house for Cork v Limerick on Sunday. For Saturday Clare v Kilkenny 35,000.
Only terrace tickets left. I'd expect they'll be gone soon.
Really poor attendance expected for Clare v Kilkenny.
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 04, 2024, 12:27:04 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on July 04, 2024, 12:00:08 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 03, 2024, 03:07:21 PMExpected full house for Cork v Limerick on Sunday. For Saturday Clare v Kilkenny 35,000.
Only terrace tickets left. I'd expect they'll be gone soon.
Really poor attendance expected for Clare v Kilkenny.
Saturday afternoon is a bad time for match.
King Henry and Davy gone.
No surprise about Shefflin.
How bad were Galway that they managed to lose badly to Dublin in the last round of Leinster?
Dublin were no great shakes this year.
Quote from: Dag Dog on July 04, 2024, 12:31:14 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on July 04, 2024, 12:27:04 PMQuote from: Dag Dog on July 04, 2024, 12:00:08 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 03, 2024, 03:07:21 PMExpected full house for Cork v Limerick on Sunday. For Saturday Clare v Kilkenny 35,000.
Only terrace tickets left. I'd expect they'll be gone soon.
Really poor attendance expected for Clare v Kilkenny.
Saturday afternoon is a bad time for match.
Well down on last year 48,360 although that was played Sunday afternoon. 2022 they played on Saturday 39,626 the attendance.
The Clare PRO upping their game.
https://x.com/i/status/1809121178897789332 (https://x.com/i/status/1809121178897789332)
Time for the team to match it.
Quote from: johnnycool on July 05, 2024, 10:11:36 AMThe Clare PRO upping their game.
https://x.com/i/status/1809121178897789332 (https://x.com/i/status/1809121178897789332)
Time for the team to match it.
Hadn't seen that JC, class.
That was brilliant stuff! Only I've something arranged, impossible to get out of I'd have went down.
Both teams can't have off days tomorrow, and if both are flat to the boards then it will serve us up a cracker.
Really difficult to call, no separating them with the bookies either
Each time I make a case for Kilkenny I've a case made for Clare
Can't see Clare winning today. Haven't beaten Kilkenny since 1997. Another Limerick and Kilkenny final on the way.
Some saves by both keepers so far
Men against boys so far!
Niblock trying a bit too hard here on bbc commentary
Slowed down hand pass shows you it was legal and for all to see in real time it was illegal ;)
Good goal that.
Novak would have been proud of that one
Ref humping KK a bit.
What a goal
Half time Kilkenny in control and leading 1-10 to 0-8.
Just the 37 steps for the goal!
Unfortunately I can only see one winner of this game. Kilkenny are well on top.
Clare are being held rightly, too many spare Kilkenny men to collect the ball
Quote from: screenexile on July 06, 2024, 03:41:12 PMJust the 37 steps for the goal!
Probably about 5 or 6
Boys be taken extra steps in football for frees, never in the same place of free, but it's not a biggy.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 06, 2024, 03:42:08 PMUnfortunately I can only see one winner of this game. Kilkenny are well on top.
Only for the Clare goalkeeper this game would be over as contest already.
Less than 40k in croke park this afternoon, really disappointing to see croke park less than half full for one of the biggest games of the year
Clare Keeper did so well in the 1st half but poor on that 2nd Kilkenny goal. Clare respond with two points. 2-12 to 0-14 with 48 mins played.
Limerick will make shite of Kilkenny in final again.
Bit of hurling to be played before that final line-up confirmed..
Some save by the Kilkenny keeper.
Sides are level 64 minutes played.
Clare one point in front 68 minutes played.
Three minutes added
FT Clare 0-24 Kilkenny 2-16. Clare into their first All-Ireland final since 2013. Great 2nd half by them to out score Kilkenny 0-16 to 1-6.
Quote from: Gael85 on July 06, 2024, 04:09:30 PMLimerick will make shite of Kilkenny in final again.
Ye jinxed them! ;D #fatlady
Some predictions on here, mainly bogballers though
Fair play to Clare, thought they were gone when the second goal went in.
Hopefully Cork win tomorrow.
why cant Marty M just shut up, with his F*ckin monologues.
just let the cameras do the talking
Clare keeper getting plenty of pats on the back and rightly so. He kept his county in the game and rest of his team mates stepped up 2nd half. A repeat of the 2013 All Ireland final Cork v Clare? be something different to watch than another Limerick win..
RTÉ stats
(https://i.ibb.co/s9jDwv9/IMG-20240706-165149-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8gMR5Dg)
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 06, 2024, 03:42:08 PMUnfortunately I can only see one winner of this game. Kilkenny are well on top.
I jinxed Kilkenny on purpose of course
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 06, 2024, 04:55:18 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on July 06, 2024, 03:42:08 PMUnfortunately I can only see one winner of this game. Kilkenny are well on top.
I jinxed Kilkenny on purpose of course
Can you do same for Limerick tomorrow!
KK should have had another 6pts in the first half when Clare were all over the shop. Carey had an excellent goal chance and they left a good few points behind them. When that happens, the opposition will have their purple patch in second half.
Clare hung in there and Kelly, O'Donnell and Mc Enernery were excellent. David Mc En. was fantastic - he done a great job on Mullan. I counted that he got blocked down 3 times. Very unlike Mullan.
Mc Carthy was very good on the frees while T.J.'s radar was off a bit. I thought it would have been the other way about and Clare's problem would have been on the consistency on the frees. Referees need to stop giving handy frees to Hogan.
Looked as if it could be T.J.'s last game for KK. Who knows? But what a player. Best player I've ever seen play. A legend.
Quote from: Truthsayer on July 06, 2024, 05:07:22 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on July 06, 2024, 04:55:18 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on July 06, 2024, 03:42:08 PMUnfortunately I can only see one winner of this game. Kilkenny are well on top.
I jinxed Kilkenny on purpose of course
Can you do same for Limerick tomorrow!
No I can't Limerick will win easily?????
Quote from: Truthsayer on July 06, 2024, 04:32:34 PMQuote from: Gael85 on July 06, 2024, 04:09:30 PMLimerick will make shite of Kilkenny in final again.
Ye jinxed them! ;D #fatlady
Some result for Clare. Honestly thought were gone. My father was a Clare man who died two years days after corresponding game between two sides in 2022 so this win means a lot to me.
Quote from: Gael85 on July 06, 2024, 08:16:44 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on July 06, 2024, 04:32:34 PMQuote from: Gael85 on July 06, 2024, 04:09:30 PMLimerick will make shite of Kilkenny in final again.
Ye jinxed them! ;D #fatlady
Some result for Clare. Honestly thought were gone. My father was a Clare man who died two years days after corresponding game between two sides in 2022 so this win means a lot to me.
I'm very sorry you're Dad has passed on, he'd be smiling down on that today. Fantastic second half from Clare. I'd agree that Limerick will win tomorrow but won't be predicting the final until the semi-final is over!! ;D
Clare won by forcing KK to go long in the second half and had cover to mop up the breaking ball. Hogan may indeed dip into the tackle but nowhere in the rules can you put a hurl or a spare arm across a man. He won the battle with Eoin Cody in the second half and that stymied the KK attack greatly coupled by McInerny doing the same thing to Mullen and big Walter.
Clare have gotten the KK semifinal jinx out of their system and didn't play well either.
If that doesn't give them belief nothing will .
Kilkenny will be kicking themselves as that game was for the taking but they didn't learn anything in the second half and played into Clare hands by hitting it in long when it was crying out for them to work the ball up the field before playing it in especially against the wind.
What now for TJ? Certainly one of the best hurlers of his generation even if he doesn't have as many county AI's as many lesser Kilkenny hurlers.
Probably no announcement till after the club championship is over for him .
James Crombie captures the Reactions in the crowd after Kilkenny's Eoin Murphy made a save from Clare's Aidan McCarthy during todays All Ireland Semi-Final.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GR1QjFdacAQxXew?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 07, 2024, 12:20:44 AMJames Crombie captures the Reactions in the crowd after Kilkenny's Eoin Murphy made a save from Clare's Aidan McCarthy during todays All Ireland Semi-Final.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GR1QjFdacAQxXew?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Amazing shot (the photo) the agony and the ecstasy on the faces the of supporters. The passion is great to see. Few Antrim lads in there also, one with a retro 89 top
Noticed yesterday how hard it is getting to ref the "high tackle", players are so cute to it now, arm goes in and the player goes down or spins themselves around as if they have been poor axed & usually a free to follow.
Thought Gordon did well with it yesterday as SOD did it a couple of times and didn't get the free.
Serious pace and intensity to this match 0-6 each after 14 minutes.
Great run and finish 1-7 to 0-6 to Cork.
Serious intensity is right.
Are Limerick not throwing the ball with almost all of their handpasses
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 07, 2024, 04:14:08 PMSerious pace and intensity to this match 0-6 after 14 minutes.
After the crap that the football served up in Croke Park last weekend and the shite that has been the Euros this game is a breath of fresh air. Brilliant game so far.
Great call by the ref there in fsirness
Bout time throwing was called out.. be hard to be consistent though
Quote from: Truthsayer on July 07, 2024, 04:21:00 PMBout time throwing was called out.. be hard to be consistent though
That one was blatant
3 correct calls by ref for hand pass.
And calls for steps
Cork need a strong start to the second half also..
Too many simple puck outs and scores
Cork gifting some bad scores, level game 0-11 to 1-8. Bad wide from a tap over free for Cork, up the field Limerick go to lead by two points after 30 minutes.
Half time Limerick 0-16 Cork 1-11.
Hoggie stuck on 699 here. That was a total gimme for a man of his quality
Cork 4/1 to win now if anyone fancies them? they'll have much regret about that 1st half should they lose.
Too hard to call. 4 to one is good value though at this stage.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2024, 04:24:20 PM3 correct calls by ref for hand pass.
And calls for steps
Cork need a strong start to the second half also..
Too many simple puck outs and scores
He wasn't right for the disallowed Hayes goal
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 07, 2024, 04:53:52 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2024, 04:24:20 PM3 correct calls by ref for hand pass.
And calls for steps
Cork need a strong start to the second half also..
Too many simple puck outs and scores
He wasn't right for the disallowed Hayes goal
He wasn't but we watched it in real time and slow mo, and though it was correct, it was only when they zoomed in and slowed it down.. but yeah the ref didn't get it right as he forgot to wear his slow mo glasses ;D
The start to the 2nd half Cork would be seeking. 1-16 to 0-17 they lead after 40 minutes.
That could be a big moment, goal chance not taken for limerick, up the field Cork go and score a point. 1-21 to 0-19.
Has anyone seen the attendance figure, it looks pretty full.
Some 2nd half performance by Cork a case of keeping it going now. 52 minutes played 1-24 to 0-20.
Margin cut to four points with 63 minutes played.
68 minutes played Cork lead 1-28 to 0-29
Refereeing has been ridiculous the whole game. I know it's hard but the amount of throws and steps and lads getting mauled and it not being blown is crazy!
A Cork lad had 2 men on top of him and a hurl to the head and it's a throw in??
Four minutes added. Cork goal chance not taken there they still lead by two points.
FT Cork 1-28 Limerick 0-29. 1-17 in the 2nd half Cork scored and didn't score for the last ten minutes. A repeat of the 2013 All Ireland final.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 07, 2024, 04:52:53 PMToo hard to call. 4 to one is good value though at this stage.
Fantastic value odds. End of era for a great Limerick team? Makes for a very interesting final although Cork will be favourites after that win today.
Quote from: Turf on July 07, 2024, 04:18:04 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 07, 2024, 04:14:08 PMSerious pace and intensity to this match 0-6 after 14 minutes.
After the crap that the football served up in Croke Park last weekend and the shite that has been the Euros this game is a breath of fresh air. Brilliant game so far.
Very true.
Hurling is king.
What a game, sets up a cracking final.
Ould Marty was a shambles listening on the radio, said numerous times "Limerick searching for an equaliser" with Cork 2 points up, kept refreshing the score beo app to see if I had missed something
Well done Cork, when it was expected to be Limerick to fire in the third quarter it was the Leesiders.
They managed to sustain the efforts for the whole 70 minutes when it might have been easier to buckle under the Limerick pressure.
They'll go into the final as favourites but ironically Clare are probably glad to see the back of Limerick and fear Cork less.
Who'd be a referee all the same. The game is very hard to referee at this level.
I blame Brian Gavin for the slip in standards ;D
Quote from: screenexile on July 07, 2024, 05:26:36 PMRefereeing has been ridiculous the whole game. I know it's hard but the amount of throws and steps and lads getting mauled and it not being blown is crazy!
A Cork lad had 2 men on top of him and a hurl to the head and it's a throw in??
You are at least very consistent, do yourself a favour and don't watch hurling.
The take from everyone is , it's a classic, the minor stuff that annoys you obviously doesn't for the vast majority be an issue.
Hurling is for men played by men and accepted that there's no easy frees.
If that changes any day soon it would be a bad day!
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 07, 2024, 04:34:49 PMHoggie stuck on 699 here. That was a total gimme for a man of his quality
I know. He wasn't quite at it today. Missed that easy free, another hit the post, missed a goal chance. The points he scored from play were more or less handed to him. Having said that, he'd probably have nailed that free in injury time only he was just being taken off when it was being given.
Fair play to the two teams who gave us a game for the ages today. Some effort by Cork and Limerick showed why they were in-a-row champions. Some entertainment for the neutral. Nearly 100 shots on goal today.
Cork kept the intensity going for the full 73 mins. I think the key time in the game was straight after half-time. Cork,two points down, came out straight away and hit a heap of points and kept that going until the end. Limerick came back but couldn't close the gap - probably, in reality, needed a goal to pull it back.
Cork's puck out was excellent, varied it at times but the main one was land it down on Hannon, break it and attack it in numbers. And it worked!I think Nash was a big loss for Limerick. His presence and running off the shoulder was missed badly. Finn looked rusty enough.
Cork's forwards were excellent. Harnedy, Hayes and Barrett were super. Dalton was ok on the long range frees but hit two belters nearly straight after each other. Delighted for Hogie - hopefully he gets his All-Ireland.
Fitzgibbon was full of powerful running from mid-field. Limerick targeted Coleman on the puck outs and he was under pressure. Downeys were super in the spine on the team.
A big shout out to Gillane. He was fantastic. Any ball in to him and he was on it. In my opinion, he was MOTM but with the day that was in it, it had to be a rebel.
I liked the way the referee let the puck outs get away a lot quicker than normal - added greatly to the game. You could see this a puck outs went quick to lads who were in acres of space. Made a huge difference to the game.
Quote from: Brendan on July 07, 2024, 07:50:30 PMOuld Marty was a shambles listening on the radio, said numerous times "Limerick searching for an equaliser" with Cork 2 points up, kept refreshing the score beo app to see if I had missed something
He is brutal, he seemed lost/disengaged towards the end yesterday. It was like he forgot how close the game was.
He did wake up at the final whistle, to give his usual pre prepared sh*t monologue.
Daragh Maloney and Duignan were so much easier to listen to today.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 06, 2024, 03:22:22 PMSlowed down hand pass shows you it was legal and for all to see in real time it was illegal ;)
I see you've learned nothing and are still ignorant to the rules
For those critical of the ref or even commentators, please have a day off.
The pace and intensity of that incredible game those two teams served up made it virtually impossible to do either jobs effectively. The ref could have easily spoiled the game by blowing for every infringement but he used common sense as much as possible to let it flow.
As a previous poster mentioned, after watching the walking pace of the football championship and the dross served up by professional footballers over in Germany, this was like something from another planet. Cork were unreal, but it shows you the level you have have to be at just to compete with one of the greatest GAA teams we will ever see. Thanks to both teams for giving us proper sporting entertainment.
Quote from: Joeythelips on July 08, 2024, 10:14:02 AMFor those critical of the ref or even commentators, please have a day off.
The pace and intensity of that incredible game those two teams served up made it virtually impossible to do either jobs effectively. The ref could have easily spoiled the game by blowing for every infringement but he used common sense as much as possible to let it flow.
As a previous poster mentioned, after watching the walking pace of the football championship and the dross served up by professional footballers over in Germany, this was like something from another planet. Cork were unreal, but it shows you the level you have have to be at just to compete with one of the greatest GAA teams we will ever see. Thanks to both teams for giving us proper sporting entertainment.
100% Joey.
Quote from: Joeythelips on July 08, 2024, 10:14:02 AMFor those critical of the ref or even commentators, please have a day off.
The pace and intensity of that incredible game those two teams served up made it virtually impossible to do either jobs effectively. The ref could have easily spoiled the game by blowing for every infringement but he used common sense as much as possible to let it flow.
As a previous poster mentioned, after watching the walking pace of the football championship and the dross served up by professional footballers over in Germany, this was like something from another planet. Cork were unreal, but it shows you the level you have have to be at just to compete with one of the greatest GAA teams we will ever see. Thanks to both teams for giving us proper sporting entertainment.
Yeah spot on. You would need var on some of those handpasses, the one for the disallowed goal looked like a throw in real time and it was only when it was zoomed in and slowed that you could see it was ok.
2 super games of hurling to watch as a neutral
Quote from: Brendan on July 07, 2024, 07:50:30 PMOuld Marty was a shambles listening on the radio, said numerous times "Limerick searching for an equaliser" with Cork 2 points up, kept refreshing the score beo app to see if I had missed something
Was travelling to Dublin and I thought marty did a great job in fairness, yeah he mentioned a few times about limerick needing an equaliser when they were in fact 2 points down but shane mc grath corrected him . The speed of the game was unreal and I thought he painted a great picture, I watched the Sunday game and thought darragh maloney was poor in comparison. So I suppose people's views differ but i enjoyed him .
Quote from: small white mayoman on July 08, 2024, 10:49:33 AMQuote from: Brendan on July 07, 2024, 07:50:30 PMOuld Marty was a shambles listening on the radio, said numerous times "Limerick searching for an equaliser" with Cork 2 points up, kept refreshing the score beo app to see if I had missed something
Was travelling to Dublin and I thought marty did a great job in fairness, yeah he mentioned a few times about limerick needing an equaliser when they were in fact 2 points down but shane mc grath corrected him . The speed of the game was unreal and I thought he painted a great picture, I watched the Sunday game and thought darragh maloney was poor in comparison. So I suppose people's views differ but i enjoyed him .
I like listening to games on the radio. Always seems to be described in better detail. Even on tv yesterday, after 10 mins in the first half, the two commentators were out of puff just watching it. That was understandable.
The big advantage is that the lads on tv/radio have replays. It helps to clarify things. E.g. Mossy Keoghan was on the ground and he was blew up for a throw but on the replay, it was a brillant handpass. In real time, I was thinking there's no way he could, in the position he was in on the ground, handpass the ball correctly. I was wrong. It was a fantastic handpass. Actually Aaron Gillane did the exact same yesterday.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 08, 2024, 10:32:41 AMQuote from: Joeythelips on July 08, 2024, 10:14:02 AMFor those critical of the ref or even commentators, please have a day off.
The pace and intensity of that incredible game those two teams served up made it virtually impossible to do either jobs effectively. The ref could have easily spoiled the game by blowing for every infringement but he used common sense as much as possible to let it flow.
As a previous poster mentioned, after watching the walking pace of the football championship and the dross served up by professional footballers over in Germany, this was like something from another planet. Cork were unreal, but it shows you the level you have have to be at just to compete with one of the greatest GAA teams we will ever see. Thanks to both teams for giving us proper sporting entertainment.
Yeah spot on. You would need var on some of those handpasses, the one for the disallowed goal looked like a throw in real time and it was only when it was zoomed in and slowed that you could see it was ok.
2 super games of hurling to watch as a neutral
Think the head might explode
Read the rules
If you need slow motion to show it is OK - that means it isn't and never was OK
Quote from: Franko on July 08, 2024, 09:41:07 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 06, 2024, 03:22:22 PMSlowed down hand pass shows you it was legal and for all to see in real time it was illegal ;)
I see you've learned nothing and are still ignorant to the rules
I see you are still jumping onto my posts..
As an edit to this, I must admit, I'm not overly bothered about the refs letting them go, as a few dodgy handpasses is a small price to pay for the entertainment provided by those games this weekend
The ignorance of the rules is something I can't forgive though ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2024, 11:17:51 AMQuote from: Franko on July 08, 2024, 09:41:07 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 06, 2024, 03:22:22 PMSlowed down hand pass shows you it was legal and for all to see in real time it was illegal ;)
I see you've learned nothing and are still ignorant to the rules
I see you are still jumping onto my posts..
If, by 'jumping onto' you mean replying - then yes, guilty as charged
I'm at a bit of a loss as to why this causes you so much anguish though
Sure can you not just put me on ignore or something if it will help emotionally
Anyway, we're talking about hurling here - if you want to have a whinge, stick it in a PM
Cheers
Quote from: Franko on July 08, 2024, 11:23:57 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 08, 2024, 11:17:51 AMQuote from: Franko on July 08, 2024, 09:41:07 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 06, 2024, 03:22:22 PMSlowed down hand pass shows you it was legal and for all to see in real time it was illegal ;)
I see you've learned nothing and are still ignorant to the rules
I see you are still jumping onto my posts..
If, by 'jumping onto' you mean replying - then yes, guilty as charged
I'm at a bit of a loss as to why this causes you so much anguish though
Sure can you not just put me on ignore or something if it will help emotionally
Anyway, we're talking about hurling here - if you want to have a whinge, stick it in a PM
Cheers
You are the one that comes on to my posts to whinge, if you can't get on like an adult I can't help you. You are the one with the insults, so keep your emotions in check ot put me on the ignore list.
You do have form over the years with personal abuse ;)
Clare must be licking their lips now with all the attention and praise being heaped on Cork. Long time since I've seen a team being set up to fail as obviously as this. Personally I hope they win as I'd love to see Horgan and Harnedy win an All Ireland, but they'll have to do a lot of mental prep to reproduce yesterdays epic effort.
Brings back memories of going round bars in westport in 2013 to find one showing the replay. Seemed the man united match on at the time was more important than the AI final.
I missed the Clare match but on highlights, though it is just highlight, KK will be kicking themselves as they could and maybe should have won it. That match yesterday was just something else. I've seen some great hurling matches over the years but I think that may have topped them all. I really thought Limerick were going to pip them at the last but fair play to Cork - that was a phenomenal effort. They are one of very few counties who when the mood seems to take them just possess that belief to beat anyone.
Cork hurlers (like Tipp) don't lack confidence when it comes to winning, they think each year they will be winning the All Ireland.
Yesterdays game was equally as good as their first encounter and for Cork it was again a knock out game, as games went then, Cork would have been out of Munster had they not beaten them, I suppose drawing on that win at the time they had that in their locker mentally, physically yesterday they brought about what Limerick have done to the teams these last lot of years, possibly allowing others a way to stop Limerick.
Like Dublin's drop in football, I still think Like did did recently, they'll win another 2 or so more with this team, as they are far from finished.
Some of the scores from wide out the wing or even tight ones on the wing at the 14 line were great to see.
The best team won on the day, Cork will need to come down a bit and then get back up again, Clare didn't really get to the same intensity in their game with Kilkenny, they stuck to the task, broke them down, and seen the game out, they didn't panic and as Brian said, he could have made 6 subs at halftime but knew the team out there had it in them to win.
Looking forward to the final, hopefully manage to get a ticket, can only assume this year will be tougher to get as both realistically have a even chance to win this game, Cork will be fav's purely on beating Limerick, that will suit Clare though
Kiely probably too loyal to his half backs yesterday, Hannon in particular should have been hooked as he was in all sorts of bother - as he was in the first game too. It's not as if Limerick don't have options. WOD or Cathal O'Neill to 6
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Quote from: blanketattack on July 08, 2024, 01:24:37 PMhttps://x.com/BernardCasey90/status/1810109782990160212?t=FNa2PhNRL13HHsjnkw-fqg&s=19
Everyone knows the antiseptic effect of saliva...
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Our parents used it on us and we turned out alright :-\
It's not the spit being used to wipe his face is the main issue, it's the fact that he licked the part of the tissue that already had Horgan's blood on it 🤮
Davy Fitzgerald and Anthony Nash taking over Antrim hurlers according to reports.
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 29, 2024, 10:11:37 PMDavy Fitzgerald and Anthony Nash taking over Antrim hurlers according to reports.
He has obviously worked out/been told that Galway isn't happening.
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 29, 2024, 10:45:18 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on July 29, 2024, 10:11:37 PMDavy Fitzgerald and Anthony Nash taking over Antrim hurlers according to reports.
He has obviously worked out/been told that Galway isn't happening.
Galway and him never felt like a good fit to me anyway.
Davy is box office there is no doubt, he also won't be settling for the apathy that sometimes can come with our County teams. It's an all or nothing situation.
Quote from: NAG1 on July 30, 2024, 10:57:20 AMQuote from: Saffrongael on July 29, 2024, 10:45:18 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on July 29, 2024, 10:11:37 PMDavy Fitzgerald and Anthony Nash taking over Antrim hurlers according to reports.
He has obviously worked out/been told that Galway isn't happening.
Galway and him never felt like a good fit to me anyway.
Davy is box office there is no doubt, he also won't be settling for the apathy that sometimes can come with our County teams. It's an all or nothing situation.
Davy resigns from Waterford and that news is barely hot off the press and Austin Gleeson announces his return to IC hurling.
Is that a coincidence?
TBH I'd hate to be a forward in some of the uber defensive crap that Davy is renowned for although that did seem to have softened slightly with Waterford during the championship, but the likes of Dessie Hutchinson struggled to get on the ball with Davy's tactic.
Some Antrim sponsors will need to dig deep into their pockets to make it happen.
Quote from: NAG1 on July 30, 2024, 10:57:20 AMQuote from: Saffrongael on July 29, 2024, 10:45:18 PMQuote from: Capt Pat on July 29, 2024, 10:11:37 PMDavy Fitzgerald and Anthony Nash taking over Antrim hurlers according to reports.
He has obviously worked out/been told that Galway isn't happening.
Galway and him never felt like a good fit to me anyway.
Davy is box office there is no doubt, he also won't be settling for the apathy that sometimes can come with our County teams. It's an all or nothing situation.
Any different to Darren Gleeson? Who seemingly didn't take any shit. I just don't see it as being a great fit, if he does more than two years I will be shocked.
And a lot of the "box office" stuff gets old very quickly
He has a shelf life which 2 years is probably the max of. Gleeson setup professional standards but I would expect Davy would stray into the flogging territory. It's still just a rumour though.
I'm hoping for a initially buy with clubs players and sponsors to the set up should he be coming in.
After that, like any manager they will be judged on results and improvements on previous years
Our targets are reasonable, stay up in Div 1, stay in the McCarthy cup, target gains against teams that are just above our level and bring in new talent
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2024, 12:36:10 PMI'm hoping for a initially buy with clubs players and sponsors to the set up should he be coming in.
After that, like any manager they will be judged on results and improvements on previous years
Our targets are reasonable, stay up in Div 1, stay in the McCarthy cup, target gains against teams that are just above our level and bring in new talent
I would have thought by going for Davy if that actually is the case, they would be looking to move forward from where they have been over last couple of years. I don't know if that is possible with the current group I've a feeling we are a few short but who knows.
I thought some of those younger defenders (O'Connor, Boyd in particular) had started to develop very well and McGarry gave us something at full back. I still think we struggle winning our own ball in the forwards. Hard to say how McLaughlin will turn out but definitely a good bit of promise in him too.
Division 1 a funny beast this year with being expanded.
Also still will believe it when I see it wrt Davy...
Quote from: NAG1 on July 30, 2024, 02:19:36 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2024, 12:36:10 PMI'm hoping for a initially buy with clubs players and sponsors to the set up should he be coming in.
After that, like any manager they will be judged on results and improvements on previous years
Our targets are reasonable, stay up in Div 1, stay in the McCarthy cup, target gains against teams that are just above our level and bring in new talent
I would have thought by going for Davy if that actually is the case, they would be looking to move forward from where they have been over last couple of years. I don't know if that is possible with the current group I've a feeling we are a few short but who knows.
I think we need to be real also, we can't just bring lads into the county to play for us, we have a vibrant Div 1 league that when it gets down to the business end of things the Antrim champions are competing at a higher end, we just need to make a top 3 teams into a top six set of teams to have players that are developing onto the senior intercounty set up.
We have been poor at underage and unfortunately that's not changing soon, so to be where we are with poor underage success, shows the effort of the clubs and coaches across the county. That said, making that leap to tier one is difficult.
Should they make the points part of the goalposts more narrow in hurling.
Quote from: EmeraldOpal on August 11, 2024, 03:11:55 PMShould they make the points part of the goalposts more narrow in hurling.
After one of the best All Ireland finals ever and a brilliant championship why would we change things?
Quote from: Truthsayer on August 11, 2024, 03:18:41 PMQuote from: EmeraldOpal on August 11, 2024, 03:11:55 PMShould they make the points part of the goalposts more narrow in hurling.
After one of the best All Ireland finals ever and a brilliant championship why would we change things?
On a practical level, I'm not sure if you're with a dual club or not, but how would that work?
After this years football they should be looking to widen the posts by about 10 metres... ;D
Quote from: johnnycool on August 12, 2024, 09:43:43 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on August 11, 2024, 03:18:41 PMQuote from: EmeraldOpal on August 11, 2024, 03:11:55 PMShould they make the points part of the goalposts more narrow in hurling.
After one of the best All Ireland finals ever and a brilliant championship why would we change things?
On a practical level, I'm not sure if you're with a dual club or not, but how would that work?
After this years football they should be looking to widen the posts by about 10 metres... ;D
And bring them forward about 10 metres too when Shane Walsh is playing
Nicky English: Hurling being undermined by the crammed calendar of the last three years
We've now reached a situation where only the All-Ireland semi-finals and final are being played at the height of summer – the optimum time for hurling
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Young Clare fans greet the players on their arrival at Wolfe Tones GAA club in Shannon, following the county's All-Ireland final triumph. Photograph: Tom Maher/Inpho
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Oasis may have put the final nail into hopes of expanding the fixtures window for next year's intercounty championship.
It's not thought likely to change at Saturday's Central Council meeting and I suspect minds were already made up about next year's calendar.
I am glad though that in future there is likely to be a replay of drawn All-Ireland finals rather than extra time.
I equally believe that hurling is being undermined by what has happened in the past three seasons. Some of that may have to be accepted for the greater good but there are other issues that could be addressed in the interests of everyone. Even two additional weeks in the calendar could alleviate problems.
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Nicky English: Hurling being undermined by the crammed calendar of the last three years
First, there is the time of year, which is one of those problems that can't be addressed but it is worth acknowledging that it has a role in compromising the quality of championship play.
I've made the point previously that there is a lot of hurling being played in bad weather. Who knows what the weather patterns are going to be but we are pushing back into the year, leaving only the All-Ireland semi-finals and final being played at the height of summer.
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The Munster final was played in very cold conditions this year, admittedly unusually cold, but the closer you get to May, the more that is likely to happen. Play is a step slower when the championship starts. It's a different surface.
In traditional terms, it's end of league conditions. League semi-finals always ran the chance of being quite poor. This was for a few reasons – imbalance of motivation, lack of competitiveness but one of them definitely was the pitches were on the turn.
Agronomy is more advanced than it was but at the same time, it's less than ideal.
Short of playing every Munster match in Páirc Uí Chaoimh, which has had millions invested in its playing surface, it appears that we just have to accept two different standards of hurling as the season progresses.
From a marketing and promotional perspective, we are playing a lot of big games in direct competition with the climax of the English Premier League and the European Champions Cup in rugby. The rugby isn't guaranteed an Irish interest but it has happened consistently over the past few years with all the associated hype.
Clare captain Tony Kelly and manager Brian Lohan lift the Liam McCarthy cup at Wolfe Tones club in Shannon. Photograph: Tom Maher/Inpho
Two years ago, the All-Ireland hurling final weekend was up against Ireland winning a Test series in New Zealand and Rory McIlroy being one of the last group out on the final day of the British Open. There was no question of the hurling being overshadowed but it was fighting for finite space.
This complicates things for the GAA as does the number of hurling matches in particular that are streamed on GAAGo. I have no problem with subscription broadcasting but using a platform that is difficult for many people to access – between technical issues and broadband quality – in my view impedes proper promotion of the game.
Again, that comes with the territory but other matters are more easily addressed. It was ridiculous that three of the championship's last five games threw in before 4pm on a Saturday. Hurling needs better promotion. If you're trying to push the game in Dublin where the crowds are slow to come out for the hurlers, you have to do better than that.
Their opponents Cork are the best supported team in the country but you're asking them to play in Thurles at 1.15pm on a Saturday in an All-Ireland quarter-final. That makes no sense whatsoever and is in effect downgrading the game and the championship.
I'd like to see the quarter-finals played on a Sunday. A semi-final shouldn't be played at 3pm on a Saturday. Again, I have no problem with the day but it needs to be at a time when the full focus of the audience can be on it.
Then, on occasion there are simply too many matches. You have days when two Leinster and two Munster fixtures are up against each other. This logjam has resulted in some matches not being screened at all – notoriously, last year when one of the big traditional set pieces of the hurling summer, Wexford v Kilkenny, wasn't shown anywhere and of course it turned out to be a firework display of a game.
If you are trying to promote hurling to an audience that flicks in and out of it, like audiences do with most other sports, it is not ideal that momentum isn't really reached until the All-Ireland semi-finals and final. Then the season is over.
Cork's Patrick Horgan dejected after the All-Ireland final loss to Clare after extra time. Photograph: Ryan Byrne/Inpho
One of the biggest disadvantages is the way in which the hurling champions are no sooner crowned than attention switches to the onrushing football final. You get a quick flash of Clare coming home but there's no time for further reflection before high-profile hurling heads off into the sunset.
There will be club fixtures but they don't have the same penetration with the public for obvious reasons. An extra week between the finals would make a significant difference to hurling's ability to stay in the public mind a little longer.
The intense concentration of fixtures can have other consequences. For one reason or another there were injuries going into this year's final. Two of the game's top forwards were affected – Hurler of the Year elect Shane O'Donnell and leading points scorer Patrick Horgan both came into the final carrying injuries. Another, Tony Kelly, was only coming back after missing a lot of game time.
Even switching focus for a moment to the football final, Galway's three marquee forwards, Shane Walsh, Damien Comer and Rob Finnerty had injury concerns going into the final. Finnerty had to go off early and neither of the others played anywhere near form. That was operating off the same timetable.
You can gain a week immediately by getting rid of the preliminary All-Ireland quarter-finals, which are an anomaly. The McDonagh Cup winners will have access to the Liam MacCarthy the following season, which is how promotion works in most sports.
I accept that this doesn't buy you an additional week – because counties wouldn't be asked to play an All-Ireland quarter-final seven or eight days after losing a provincial final – but it would reduce wear and tear on players.
Not getting time to breathe means that people's attention often wanders. In theatrical terms, too many big productions are being moved off-Broadway and I think that has to be damaging over time.
Am a long time following hurling. I didn't realise only 5 players are allowed on the line to defend against a free. That was wat ref in an underage match did yesterday and ones were saying he was right. There you go...
Quote from: Truthsayer on September 16, 2024, 05:20:25 PMAm a long time following hurling. I didn't realise only 5 players are allowed on the line to defend against a free. That was wat ref in an underage match did yesterday and ones were saying he was right. There you go...
Ref's are always right... even when they are wrong...
Though you can have as many players as you want on the line if the free was outside the 21 ;)
Hurling All-Stars Nominations
Goalkeepers
Patrick Collins (Cork)
Nickie Quaid (Limerick)
Eibhear Quilligan (Clare)
Defenders
Adam Hogan (Clare)
Conor Cleary (Clare)
Conor Leen (Clare)
Diarmuid Ryan (Clare)
John Conlon (Clare)
David McInerney (Clare)
Eoin Downey (Cork)
Robert Downey (Cork)
Ciarán Joyce (Cork)
Dan Morrissey (Limerick)
Kyle Hayes (Limerick)
Barry Nash (Limerick)
Huw Lawlor (Kilkenny)
David Blanchfield (Kilkenny)
Calum Lyons (Waterford)
Tadhg de Búrca (Waterford)
Chris Crummey (Dublin)
Paddy Burke (Antrim)
Midfielders
Darragh Fitzgibbon (Cork)
Tim O'Mahony (Cork)
Tony Kelly (Clare)
Cathal O'Neill (Limerick)
Conor Burke (Dublin)
Cian Kenny (Kilkenny)
Forwards
Shane O'Donnell (Clare)
Mark Rodgers (Clare)
Aidan McCarthy (Clare)
Peter Duggan (Clare)
David Fitzgerald (Clare)
David Reidy (Clare)
Shane Barrett (Cork)
Seamus Harnedy (Cork)
Patrick Horgan (Cork)
Brian Hayes (Cork)
Gearóid Hegarty (Limerick)
Tom Morrissey (Limerick)
Aaron Gillane (Limerick)
David Reidy (Limerick)
Lee Chin (Wexford)
Rory O'Connor (Wexford)
John Donnelly (Kilkenny)
James McNaughton (Antrim)
Hurler of the Year Nominees
Shane O'Donnell (Clare)
Darragh Fitzgibbon (Cork)
Kyle Hayes (Limerick)
Young Hurler of the Year Nominees
Adam Hogan (Clare)
Eoin Downey (Cork)
Cathal O'Neill (Limerick)
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 20, 2024, 04:23:53 PMHurling All-Stars Nominations
Goalkeepers
Patrick Collins (Cork)
Nickie Quaid (Limerick)
Eibhear Quilligan (Clare)
Defenders
Adam Hogan (Clare)
Conor Cleary (Clare)
Conor Leen (Clare)
Diarmuid Ryan (Clare)
John Conlon (Clare)
David McInerney (Clare)
Eoin Downey (Cork)
Robert Downey (Cork)
Ciarán Joyce (Cork)
Dan Morrissey (Limerick)
Kyle Hayes (Limerick)
Barry Nash (Limerick)
Huw Lawlor (Kilkenny)
David Blanchfield (Kilkenny)
Calum Lyons (Waterford)
Tadhg de Búrca (Waterford)
Chris Crummey (Dublin)
Paddy Burke (Antrim)
Midfielders
Darragh Fitzgibbon (Cork)
Tim O'Mahony (Cork)
Tony Kelly (Clare)
Cathal O'Neill (Limerick)
Conor Burke (Dublin)
Cian Kenny (Kilkenny)
Forwards
Shane O'Donnell (Clare)
Mark Rodgers (Clare)
Aidan McCarthy (Clare)
Peter Duggan (Clare)
David Fitzgerald (Clare)
David Reidy (Clare)
Shane Barrett (Cork)
Seamus Harnedy (Cork)
Patrick Horgan (Cork)
Brian Hayes (Cork)
Gearóid Hegarty (Limerick)
Tom Morrissey (Limerick)
Aaron Gillane (Limerick)
David Reidy (Limerick)
Lee Chin (Wexford)
Rory O'Connor (Wexford)
John Donnelly (Kilkenny)
James McNaughton (Antrim)
Hurler of the Year Nominees
Shane O'Donnell (Clare)
Darragh Fitzgibbon (Cork)
Kyle Hayes (Limerick)
Young Hurler of the Year Nominees
Adam Hogan (Clare)
Eoin Downey (Cork)
Cathal O'Neill (Limerick)
I'd go with the following although I think Shane Barrett deserves one over Patrick Horgan but it will be the other way round for sentimental reasons.
Kelly also will get a midfield berth for similar reasons, the final alone even though he hardly pucked a ball the whole championship to that point. due to injury mind.
For me John Donnelly was the most consistent forward from Kilkenny and should get it over some of the others. KK will get one All Star for being Leinster champions, quota's and all that.
Lee Chin had a great year, but probably won't get one.
What a collapse from a Crokes. Awful 6 days for the club ;D
Absolute sickner for Crokes.
That was pure drama. Brilliant 👏
Deadly stuff. Your man did well to turn that to the net!!
Super stuff. Great 2nd half by Na Fianna.
2-in-a-row.
Crokes will be sick.
We all love to he dry days, little wind, smooth surface, the perfect conditions, but, there's something about the brutality of a late stinking wet disgusting autumn championship final.
The tackles are tough, mistakes aplenty that can level up a underdog v a favourite
It really shows how good the skill level is to play in that
NP doing just enough but Doon sticking with them so far
I'd say Doon would be slight favourites before the game.
What do they have to do to get a foul??
Thomastown win Kilkenny surprisingly easily, Intermediate & Senior champions in consecutive years. Some going
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 27, 2024, 05:18:56 PMThomastown win Kilkenny surprisingly easily, Intermediate & Senior champions in consecutive years. Some going
Great result by Thomastown.
Henry Shefflin had them and they got pipped in the Intermediate and the follwing year, they win KK and All-Ireland. Great achievement.
Donnellys are some operators.
Not much difference between senior and intermediate in Kilkenny. Top intermediate teams are strong.
St. Thomas' beat last night.
Ballygunnar will be eyeing things up now.
Ulster team will fancy their chances also.
Quote from: marty34 on October 27, 2024, 05:43:38 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on October 27, 2024, 05:18:56 PMThomastown win Kilkenny surprisingly easily, Intermediate & Senior champions in consecutive years. Some going
Great result by Thomastown.
Henry Shefflin had them and they got pipped in the Intermediate and the follwing year, they win KK and All-Ireland. Great achievement.
Donnellys are some operators.
Not much difference between senior and intermediate in Kilkenny. Top intermediate teams are strong.
St. Thomas' beat last night.
Ballygunnar will be eyeing things up now.
Ulster team will fancy their chances also.
Ulster has Munster, which will probably be the toughest task
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 27, 2024, 05:45:07 PMQuote from: marty34 on October 27, 2024, 05:43:38 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on October 27, 2024, 05:18:56 PMThomastown win Kilkenny surprisingly easily, Intermediate & Senior champions in consecutive years. Some going
Great result by Thomastown.
Henry Shefflin had them and they got pipped in the Intermediate and the follwing year, they win KK and All-Ireland. Great achievement.
Donnellys are some operators.
Not much difference between senior and intermediate in Kilkenny. Top intermediate teams are strong.
St. Thomas' beat last night.
Ballygunnar will be eyeing things up now.
Ulster team will fancy their chances also.
Ulster has Munster, which will probably be the toughest task
That's best time to get Munster team I think. In semi-final.
Quote from: marty34 on October 27, 2024, 05:04:31 PMI'd say Doon would be slight favourites before the game.
Don't think there was much (bookies wise) between them, but still going for their first, loved the mad celebrations afterwards
Unfortunately for them, gunner next week
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2024, 06:32:58 PMQuote from: marty34 on October 27, 2024, 05:04:31 PMI'd say Doon would be slight favourites before the game.
Don't think there was much (bookies wise) between them, but still going for their first, loved the mad celebrations afterwards
Unfortunately for them, gunner next week
That's what I said.
Quote from: johnnycool on September 23, 2024, 09:35:19 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on September 20, 2024, 04:23:53 PMHurling All-Stars Nominations
Goalkeepers
Patrick Collins (Cork)
Nickie Quaid (Limerick)
Eibhear Quilligan (Clare)
Defenders
Adam Hogan (Clare)
Conor Cleary (Clare)
Conor Leen (Clare)
Diarmuid Ryan (Clare)
John Conlon (Clare)
David McInerney (Clare)
Eoin Downey (Cork)
Robert Downey (Cork)
Ciarán Joyce (Cork)
Dan Morrissey (Limerick)
Kyle Hayes (Limerick)
Barry Nash (Limerick)
Huw Lawlor (Kilkenny)
David Blanchfield (Kilkenny)
Calum Lyons (Waterford)
Tadhg de Búrca (Waterford)
Chris Crummey (Dublin)
Paddy Burke (Antrim)
Midfielders
Darragh Fitzgibbon (Cork)
Tim O'Mahony (Cork)
Tony Kelly (Clare)
Cathal O'Neill (Limerick)
Conor Burke (Dublin)
Cian Kenny (Kilkenny)
Forwards
Shane O'Donnell (Clare)
Mark Rodgers (Clare)
Aidan McCarthy (Clare)
Peter Duggan (Clare)
David Fitzgerald (Clare)
David Reidy (Clare)
Shane Barrett (Cork)
Seamus Harnedy (Cork)
Patrick Horgan (Cork)
Brian Hayes (Cork)
Gearóid Hegarty (Limerick)
Tom Morrissey (Limerick)
Aaron Gillane (Limerick)
David Reidy (Limerick)
Lee Chin (Wexford)
Rory O'Connor (Wexford)
John Donnelly (Kilkenny)
James McNaughton (Antrim)
Hurler of the Year Nominees
Shane O'Donnell (Clare)
Darragh Fitzgibbon (Cork)
Kyle Hayes (Limerick)
Young Hurler of the Year Nominees
Adam Hogan (Clare)
Eoin Downey (Cork)
Cathal O'Neill (Limerick)
I'd go with the following although I think Shane Barrett deserves one over Patrick Horgan but it will be the other way round for sentimental reasons.
Kelly also will get a midfield berth for similar reasons, the final alone even though he hardly pucked a ball the whole championship to that point. due to injury mind.
For me John Donnelly was the most consistent forward from Kilkenny and should get it over some of the others. KK will get one All Star for being Leinster champions, quota's and all that.
Lee Chin had a great year, but probably won't get one.
Big John gets his hands on a Kilkenny senior title. Some player and gave wee Mikey Butler a tough afternoon. Surprised Lawlor or Deegans weren't sent onto him. He was killing the Gaels.
There must have been another three brothers on the team, beasts of men who don't mind it any which way but lose..
Doon well worth their win also, but there'll be some amount of celebrating to be had... Hard to put that off until Ballygunner game.
Good win for Feakle today in Clare.
First win since late '80's.
I see the Kerry fella Mackessy appears to be away to KK.
Eoghan O'Donnell of Dublin opting for the football in 2025.
Big blow to the hurlers.
If you're not watching the Ulster semi final, do so. Absolute travesty of a last minute goal for Slaughtneil to concede. Extra time is gonna be spicy.
Quote from: gallsman on November 16, 2024, 08:41:01 PMIf you're not watching the Ulster semi final, do so. Absolute travesty of a last minute goal for Slaughtneil to concede. Extra time is gonna be spicy.
great game, brilliant scores and drama right to the end, ref has added to it by letting everything go
There wasn't any hassle the whole game between the teams, the hurling with a score of 30 each at full time is a credit to the players and the ref. Been about 5 frees the whole game!
Ok maybe 40 frees that haven't been given but who cares?
Cushendall been to the well here a few times, have they got it in their locker to see it out?
S'neil have been impressive and I expected them to be neck and neck with them but going into the final stretch thst last Rodgers miss coat them the game
Think they were complaining about the injury time but, not many stoppages in the game
Cushendal manager deserves a belt on the way out for ET. Crying to ref about amount of added time. And causing that row in the tunnel. W*nker
Who's on Co Comms on RTE?
Good advert for Ulster Club hurling, was a wise pick by RTÉ.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on November 16, 2024, 09:03:01 PMWho's on Co Comms on RTE?
Joe fortune, former Westmeath manager
Right team won. McManus is probably still the best player in Ulster and he might be able to rage against the dying of the light for a while yet but Slaughtneil had better, younger, fitter, hungrier hurlers all over the pitch and on the bench. Fionn McEldowney is magical.
That was an incredible game. Slaughtneil fitness something else.
What's the history of hurling in Slaughtneil is it only a recent thing?
Great to see clubs from counties where hurling isn't that strong at the top table.
Great stuff. Rogers and many more were magnificent, but McManus was MotM to say the least.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2024, 08:46:50 PMThere wasn't any hassle the whole game between the teams, the hurling with a score of 30 each at full time is a credit to the players and the ref. Been about 5 frees the whole game!
Ok maybe 40 frees that haven't been given but who cares?
Cushendall been to the well here a few times, have they got it in their locker to see it out?
S'neil have been impressive and I expected them to be neck and neck with them but going into the final stretch thst last Rodgers miss coat them the game
Think they were complaining about the injury time but, not many stoppages in the game
Hopefully the Antrim refs take note 🧐
Plenty of good ref's in n Antrim ;)
Has Chrissy retired or injured?
No guarantee Slaughtneil beat Portaferry either.
Portaferry unlucky not to be at Cushendall last year
Get well soon!
https://x.com/CLGLaois/status/1857841827585393041
Deserved win for slaughtneil, they were better team at the end of normal time and the better team in extra time, great game. Don't know how you pick man if the match from that, some great performances on both teams
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2024, 08:46:50 PMThere wasn't any hassle the whole game between the teams, the hurling with a score of 30 each at full time is a credit to the players and the ref. Been about 5 frees the whole game!
Ok maybe 40 frees that haven't been given but who cares?
Cushendall been to the well here a few times, have they got it in their locker to see it out?
S'neil have been impressive and I expected them to be neck and neck with them but going into the final stretch thst last Rodgers miss coat them the game
Think they were complaining about the injury time but, not many stoppages in the game
I would. Ref kept cushendall in it for far longer than they deserved. Blow even ten of those forty fouls and our neighbours are out of sight. Would have been criminal if Slaughtneil lost that.
Nonsense.
There was stuff in that game that a lot of refs would have given a fair few frees for - probably both sides. Mckaigue even said he was happy with ref. Holding hurls and sitting on the ball when it was dropped were pretty prevalent.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 16, 2024, 10:09:40 PMNonsense.
There was stuff in that game that a lot of refs would have given a fair few frees for - probably both sides. Mckaigue even said he was happy with ref. Holding hurls and sitting on the ball when it was dropped were pretty prevalent.
Our resident ref says the match official chose to ignore 40 fouls (I know I'm paraphrasing).
Chrissy wouldn't have said that had his team lost, I would suggest. O'Doherty normally good for ten points from frees per game.
Resident ref didn't say which team for though.
McKaigue said that at the end of normal time iirc. Not end of game.
McManus good for a lot more from frees too. Goes both ways if you're thinking the reduced number of frees hampered one team more.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 16, 2024, 10:21:16 PMResident ref didn't say which team for though.
McKaigue said that at the end of normal time iirc. Not end of game.
McManus good for a lot more from frees too. Goes both ways if you're thinking the reduced number of frees hampered one team more.
I thought he was very sore on Slaughtneil.
Yes, McManus worth a few of those 40 fouls.
The ref played the same for both, I counted plenty for them both, nothing of any note, arm pulling by both, shirt pulling by both at times.
S'niel played the best hurling and as said earlier, allowed a goal to go through a mountain of players from 30 yards, S'neil reset and came out the better team, anyone complaining about the ref hasn't played hurling.
No slabbering from players usually tells its own story
Brilliant entertainment last night under the lights in Armagh. Great to be show cased on RTE also. I thought the ref added to the excitement by letting the game flow.. normally it can be stop start at times but last night was anything but. A big advertisement for ulster hurling last night and that can only be a good thing showcasing the high work rate and skill level of 2 fanatastic clubs. Thought commentary and analysis was decent on RTE also.
First thing first, congratulations to both teams on a magnificent game of hurling that was broadcast to the whole nation and showed that club hurling in Ulster is as good as in anywhere in Ireland.
That's no consolation to the Dall, but I believe that the best team did eventually win.
SN's general play was just that bit better, crisper hurling and more often than not making the right decision on passing, working through the lines or shooting from range.
The Dall came to rely on long ball in ontop of McManus and it was paying off, 3-9 is some return in any game yet ended up on the losing side.
On the referee, Peter referees in the Down championship and would be known to let both teams at it, you'll not be buying a soft free from him and yes there were shirt tugs etc that he let go but he was consistent with both teams.
We look upon Munster hurling and AI hurling and this is exactly how it's refereed and I'd like to think we can get used to it up North.
Both teams also bought into it and there was very little actual dirt in the game, one swinging arm which was carded is all I can think off although the tunnel incident was a "hold me back in case I get hurt" type of melee.
More of the same please.
I thought the three interviews after the match were good.
Interesting to hear that after full-time Brendan Rogers told his team mates that they had one minute to feel sorry for themselves and then they had to prepare for extra-time.
Last night was brilliant excitement. Both teams gave it their all but slaughtneil just had the edge throughout. I thought it was well officiated and only issue I seen was the 2 teams should have been kept apart before entering changing rooms at normal time.
SN look a really good outfit. Hope the final is as good but really could Portaferry trouble them?
Quote from: downtothecore on November 17, 2024, 11:46:55 AMLast night was brilliant excitement. Both teams gave it their all but slaughtneil just had the edge throughout. I thought it was well officiated and only issue I seen was the 2 teams should have been kept apart before entering changing rooms at normal time.
SN look a really good outfit. Hope the final is as good but really could Portaferry trouble them?
I think 100% Portaferry can trouble them, I think most saw a Cushendall win and reckoned Portaferry could give them a game. No guarantees you get that level of performance again from Slaghneil - should be a cracker.
Is it confirmed for Armagh ?
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 17, 2024, 11:57:38 AMQuote from: downtothecore on November 17, 2024, 11:46:55 AMLast night was brilliant excitement. Both teams gave it their all but slaughtneil just had the edge throughout. I thought it was well officiated and only issue I seen was the 2 teams should have been kept apart before entering changing rooms at normal time.
SN look a really good outfit. Hope the final is as good but really could Portaferry trouble them?
I think 100% Portaferry can trouble them, I think most saw a Cushendall win and reckoned Portaferry could give them a game. No guarantees you get that level of performance again from Slaghneil - should be a cracker.
Is it confirmed for Armagh ?
Please be corrigan, would make sense.
Then aagin, sense doesn't usually come into it, armagh get everything
I think that they said on commentary after the game that the final would be in Armagh.
Can Portaferry cause SN issues?
Ports have serious pace in 4 of their 6 forwards, the Sands brothers, Turpin and McGrattan , the other 2 lads aren't blessed with pace, are big but aren't necessarily good ball winners and that is the Ports achilles heel if they can't get good ball into the spaces. Their half back line dominated our lads in the Down final so it wasn't an issue but it will be an issue v SN
CT is a really good centre back but I can't see Portaferry wanting him mark Rodgers as Rodgers will be doing a bit of roaming. He'll stay put with big Trainor most likely to match up. Trainor is a big rangey lad, slow to get up to a sprint but can cover the ground when he does.
If SN get to the levels they did last night Portaferry will struggle , whether SN can hit those heights two games on the bounce is another thing.
Ports won't fear SN as much as they might the Dall either.
Anyone notice the Dalls bomb squad introduction last night? ;D
If Ballygunner continue this form whoever comes out of Ulster will be in for a long day
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 17, 2024, 02:10:34 PMIf Ballygunner continue this form whoever comes out of Ulster will be in for a long day
Not sure, BG have got it easy, I know Doon gave them a rattle but S'niel won't fear them should they get through, they've been very unlucky most years against these 'big' clubs with generally a puck of the ball between them
The accuracy last night would be hard to match
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2024, 02:25:49 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on November 17, 2024, 02:10:34 PMIf Ballygunner continue this form whoever comes out of Ulster will be in for a long day
Not sure, BG have got it easy, I know Doon gave them a rattle but S'niel won't fear them should they get through, they've been very unlucky most years against these 'big' clubs with generally a puck of the ball between them
The accuracy last night would be hard to match
We will see but there's a reason they have it easy & they have whatever rustiness out of their system now after the Doon game
Westmeath Castletown beating Thomastown in the battle of the towns handy enough
Good old fashioned hurling at its best in Armagh last night. Watching the ballygunner game now and the amount of throwing and short passing 'modern day' hurling would make you puke.
I bet you'd get short odds on a Derry clean sweep of the Ulster Club championships now...
Quote from: johnnycool on November 18, 2024, 08:19:46 AMI bet you'd get short odds on a Derry clean sweep of the Ulster Club championships now...
Gwan, put your money where your mouth is.
Quote from: Orior on November 18, 2024, 03:53:26 PMQuote from: johnnycool on November 18, 2024, 08:19:46 AMI bet you'd get short odds on a Derry clean sweep of the Ulster Club championships now...
Gwan, put your money where your mouth is.
I'm off to Toals in Portaferry to see what they're offering...
Luckily the office manager is a Ballycran man so he's probably on SN already ;D
Quote from: johnnycool on November 18, 2024, 08:19:46 AMI bet you'd get short odds on a Derry clean sweep of the Ulster Club championships now...
I'd keep my money in my pocket if I was you. We'd be massive underdogs for the final. We're only playing intermediate instead of Junior because we got a massively favourable draw (if you want to call it that) in the qualifiers in Derry. And we'll either be playing Castleblayney who beat the team who beat us in last year's Ulster junior. Or we'll be playing a battle-hardened Carey Faughs team who have won the title before.
Anyway, we'll give it our best shot on the day and see where it takes us.
Quote from: didlyi on November 17, 2024, 02:38:43 PMGood old fashioned hurling at its best in Armagh last night. Watching the ballygunner game now and the amount of throwing and short passing 'modern day' hurling would make you puke.
The handpasses are just about legal though.
The only way to stop it is a rule change.
Quote from: Don Cockburn on November 20, 2024, 12:04:55 PMQuote from: didlyi on November 17, 2024, 02:38:43 PMGood old fashioned hurling at its best in Armagh last night. Watching the ballygunner game now and the amount of throwing and short passing 'modern day' hurling would make you puke.
The handpasses are just about legal though.
The only way to stop it is a rule change.
No rule changes are required. For a change in the GAA, the rules as written are absolutely fine, but referees are not interpreting them properly.
This is a hill I'm prepared to die on.
Quote from: Franko on November 20, 2024, 12:19:03 PMQuote from: Don Cockburn on November 20, 2024, 12:04:55 PMQuote from: didlyi on November 17, 2024, 02:38:43 PMGood old fashioned hurling at its best in Armagh last night. Watching the ballygunner game now and the amount of throwing and short passing 'modern day' hurling would make you puke.
The handpasses are just about legal though.
The only way to stop it is a rule change.
No rule changes are required. For a change in the GAA, the rules as written are absolutely fine, but referees are not interpreting them properly.
This is a hill I'm prepared to die on.
If a player releases the ball by a millimeter before striking it, it is a valid pass. It looks a throw ball to most people.
Quote from: Don Cockburn on November 20, 2024, 02:24:47 PMQuote from: Franko on November 20, 2024, 12:19:03 PMQuote from: Don Cockburn on November 20, 2024, 12:04:55 PMQuote from: didlyi on November 17, 2024, 02:38:43 PMGood old fashioned hurling at its best in Armagh last night. Watching the ballygunner game now and the amount of throwing and short passing 'modern day' hurling would make you puke.
The handpasses are just about legal though.
The only way to stop it is a rule change.
No rule changes are required. For a change in the GAA, the rules as written are absolutely fine, but referees are not interpreting them properly.
This is a hill I'm prepared to die on.
If a player releases the ball by a millimeter before striking it, it is a valid pass. It looks a throw ball to most people.
If you remember during the summer in the Kilkenny semi-final v Clare the poor referee blew up two players for throw balls, one was against Eoin Cody who was lying on his back tight to the sideline and for all intense purposed it did look like a throw ball in real time but on the slow motion there was a definitive gap/release of the ball before the hand strike and a fantastic piece of skill.
Referees are damned if they do and damned if they don't so the only way to fix it is a rule change.
Quote from: johnnycool on November 20, 2024, 02:52:58 PMQuote from: Don Cockburn on November 20, 2024, 02:24:47 PMQuote from: Franko on November 20, 2024, 12:19:03 PMQuote from: Don Cockburn on November 20, 2024, 12:04:55 PMQuote from: didlyi on November 17, 2024, 02:38:43 PMGood old fashioned hurling at its best in Armagh last night. Watching the ballygunner game now and the amount of throwing and short passing 'modern day' hurling would make you puke.
The handpasses are just about legal though.
The only way to stop it is a rule change.
No rule changes are required. For a change in the GAA, the rules as written are absolutely fine, but referees are not interpreting them properly.
This is a hill I'm prepared to die on.
If a player releases the ball by a millimeter before striking it, it is a valid pass. It looks a throw ball to most people.
If you remember during the summer in the Kilkenny semi-final v Clare the poor referee blew up two players for throw balls, one was against Eoin Cody who was lying on his back tight to the sideline and for all intense purposed it did look like a throw ball in real time but on the slow motion there was a definitive gap/release of the ball before the hand strike and a fantastic piece of skill.
Referees are damned if they do and damned if they don't so the only way to fix it is a rule change.
Who is most concerned about it though? Most hurling folk I know are happy with the game, it's improved year on year and no one is looking for changes...
But
Catch/call it if you see it (as a ref) and play on, most blatant throws are generally pulled. And if some are incorrect then it makes the next player try and be more visible in passing it
Quote from: johnnycool on November 20, 2024, 02:52:58 PMQuote from: Don Cockburn on November 20, 2024, 02:24:47 PMQuote from: Franko on November 20, 2024, 12:19:03 PMQuote from: Don Cockburn on November 20, 2024, 12:04:55 PMQuote from: didlyi on November 17, 2024, 02:38:43 PMGood old fashioned hurling at its best in Armagh last night. Watching the ballygunner game now and the amount of throwing and short passing 'modern day' hurling would make you puke.
The handpasses are just about legal though.
The only way to stop it is a rule change.
No rule changes are required. For a change in the GAA, the rules as written are absolutely fine, but referees are not interpreting them properly.
This is a hill I'm prepared to die on.
If a player releases the ball by a millimeter before striking it, it is a valid pass. It looks a throw ball to most people.
If you remember during the summer in the Kilkenny semi-final v Clare the poor referee blew up two players for throw balls, one was against Eoin Cody who was lying on his back tight to the sideline and for all intense purposed it did look like a throw ball in real time but on the slow motion there was a definitive gap/release of the ball before the hand strike and a fantastic piece of skill.
Referees are damned if they do and damned if they don't so the only way to fix it is a rule change.
In fairness the ref doesn't see it in slow mo obviously. Leave it as it is and let the refs call it- if they cant see a clear strike then give a throw.
Quote from: Don Cockburn on November 20, 2024, 02:24:47 PMQuote from: Franko on November 20, 2024, 12:19:03 PMQuote from: Don Cockburn on November 20, 2024, 12:04:55 PMQuote from: didlyi on November 17, 2024, 02:38:43 PMGood old fashioned hurling at its best in Armagh last night. Watching the ballygunner game now and the amount of throwing and short passing 'modern day' hurling would make you puke.
The handpasses are just about legal though.
The only way to stop it is a rule change.
No rule changes are required. For a change in the GAA, the rules as written are absolutely fine, but referees are not interpreting them properly.
This is a hill I'm prepared to die on.
If a player releases the ball by a millimeter before striking it, it is a valid pass. It looks a throw ball to most people.
Nope
That's not what the rules say
So many people clamouring for a change in the rules - and they haven't even read the rules
FWIW if it was up to me, I'd leave well enough alone - but if a change is insisted upon, it's not the wording of the rules that need changed
Quote from: johnnycool on November 20, 2024, 02:52:58 PMQuote from: Don Cockburn on November 20, 2024, 02:24:47 PMQuote from: Franko on November 20, 2024, 12:19:03 PMQuote from: Don Cockburn on November 20, 2024, 12:04:55 PMQuote from: didlyi on November 17, 2024, 02:38:43 PMGood old fashioned hurling at its best in Armagh last night. Watching the ballygunner game now and the amount of throwing and short passing 'modern day' hurling would make you puke.
The handpasses are just about legal though.
The only way to stop it is a rule change.
No rule changes are required. For a change in the GAA, the rules as written are absolutely fine, but referees are not interpreting them properly.
This is a hill I'm prepared to die on.
If a player releases the ball by a millimeter before striking it, it is a valid pass. It looks a throw ball to most people.
If you remember during the summer in the Kilkenny semi-final v Clare the poor referee blew up two players for throw balls, one was against Eoin Cody who was lying on his back tight to the sideline and for all intense purposed it did look like a throw ball in real time but on the slow motion there was a definitive gap/release of the ball before the hand strike and a fantastic piece of skill.
Referees are damned if they do and damned if they don't so the only way to fix it is a rule change.
If it looked like a throw in real time then IT IS A FOUL
It doesn't matter what the slow-mo shows
Quote from: Franko on November 20, 2024, 04:20:47 PMQuote from: johnnycool on November 20, 2024, 02:52:58 PMQuote from: Don Cockburn on November 20, 2024, 02:24:47 PMQuote from: Franko on November 20, 2024, 12:19:03 PMQuote from: Don Cockburn on November 20, 2024, 12:04:55 PMQuote from: didlyi on November 17, 2024, 02:38:43 PMGood old fashioned hurling at its best in Armagh last night. Watching the ballygunner game now and the amount of throwing and short passing 'modern day' hurling would make you puke.
The handpasses are just about legal though.
The only way to stop it is a rule change.
No rule changes are required. For a change in the GAA, the rules as written are absolutely fine, but referees are not interpreting them properly.
This is a hill I'm prepared to die on.
If a player releases the ball by a millimeter before striking it, it is a valid pass. It looks a throw ball to most people.
If you remember during the summer in the Kilkenny semi-final v Clare the poor referee blew up two players for throw balls, one was against Eoin Cody who was lying on his back tight to the sideline and for all intense purposed it did look like a throw ball in real time but on the slow motion there was a definitive gap/release of the ball before the hand strike and a fantastic piece of skill.
Referees are damned if they do and damned if they don't so the only way to fix it is a rule change.
If it looked like a throw in real time then IT IS A FOUL
It doesn't matter what the slow-mo shows
I agree but it seems many dont and that includes some refs. A ref recently interviwed by Colm parksinson said he only blows for what hes sure is a throw and not the majority that look like thows. So if they are not sure then they dont blow, which will never work in the long term. Only a rule change will sort it but there simply not enough of support right now for change...
You're saying it like it's broken.
Hurling is bringing some thrilling games, there are throws no doubt, but that's on the ref to control.
Players in all sports push the boundaries and plenty of fouls are not called in a game.
The games fine as it is, ref's could maybe get help from the other officials
Quote from: didlyi on November 21, 2024, 08:27:21 PMQuote from: Franko on November 20, 2024, 04:20:47 PMQuote from: johnnycool on November 20, 2024, 02:52:58 PMQuote from: Don Cockburn on November 20, 2024, 02:24:47 PMQuote from: Franko on November 20, 2024, 12:19:03 PMQuote from: Don Cockburn on November 20, 2024, 12:04:55 PMQuote from: didlyi on November 17, 2024, 02:38:43 PMGood old fashioned hurling at its best in Armagh last night. Watching the ballygunner game now and the amount of throwing and short passing 'modern day' hurling would make you puke.
The handpasses are just about legal though.
The only way to stop it is a rule change.
No rule changes are required. For a change in the GAA, the rules as written are absolutely fine, but referees are not interpreting them properly.
This is a hill I'm prepared to die on.
If a player releases the ball by a millimeter before striking it, it is a valid pass. It looks a throw ball to most people.
If you remember during the summer in the Kilkenny semi-final v Clare the poor referee blew up two players for throw balls, one was against Eoin Cody who was lying on his back tight to the sideline and for all intense purposed it did look like a throw ball in real time but on the slow motion there was a definitive gap/release of the ball before the hand strike and a fantastic piece of skill.
Referees are damned if they do and damned if they don't so the only way to fix it is a rule change.
If it looked like a throw in real time then IT IS A FOUL
It doesn't matter what the slow-mo shows
I agree but it seems many dont and that includes some refs. A ref recently interviwed by Colm parksinson said he only blows for what hes sure is a throw and not the majority that look like thows. So if they are not sure then they dont blow, which will never work in the long term. Only a rule change will sort it but there simply not enough of support right now for change...
Does it really take away from the game that much if it is abit on the edge/borderline throw? Hurling is still the best sport out there to watch imo. (As a casual fan who knows very little)
Quote from: didlyi on November 21, 2024, 08:27:21 PMQuote from: Franko on November 20, 2024, 04:20:47 PMQuote from: johnnycool on November 20, 2024, 02:52:58 PMQuote from: Don Cockburn on November 20, 2024, 02:24:47 PMQuote from: Franko on November 20, 2024, 12:19:03 PMQuote from: Don Cockburn on November 20, 2024, 12:04:55 PMQuote from: didlyi on November 17, 2024, 02:38:43 PMGood old fashioned hurling at its best in Armagh last night. Watching the ballygunner game now and the amount of throwing and short passing 'modern day' hurling would make you puke.
The handpasses are just about legal though.
The only way to stop it is a rule change.
No rule changes are required. For a change in the GAA, the rules as written are absolutely fine, but referees are not interpreting them properly.
This is a hill I'm prepared to die on.
If a player releases the ball by a millimeter before striking it, it is a valid pass. It looks a throw ball to most people.
If you remember during the summer in the Kilkenny semi-final v Clare the poor referee blew up two players for throw balls, one was against Eoin Cody who was lying on his back tight to the sideline and for all intense purposed it did look like a throw ball in real time but on the slow motion there was a definitive gap/release of the ball before the hand strike and a fantastic piece of skill.
Referees are damned if they do and damned if they don't so the only way to fix it is a rule change.
If it looked like a throw in real time then IT IS A FOUL
It doesn't matter what the slow-mo shows
I agree but it seems many dont and that includes some refs. A ref recently interviwed by Colm parksinson said he only blows for what hes sure is a throw and not the majority that look like thows. So if they are not sure then they dont blow, which will never work in the long term. Only a rule change will sort it but there simply not enough of support right now for change...
First, to reiterate, I think it's fine as is.
But this had been my point all along - the rules are correct
It is the refs, players, coaches and supporters who are wrong
So why would we change the only part of the equation which is correct?
Educate our refs, players and coaches as to what the rules actually say, not what most of them think it says
The fans will soon follow suit
So lets just allow throws altogether and not be fooling ourselves
Quote from: didlyi on November 22, 2024, 06:12:27 PMSo lets just allow throws altogether and not be fooling ourselves
I think and it's been shown a good few times, that the majority of these throws are legitimate hand passes but it's that minimal separation that's missed.
Examples have shown plenty of wrongful calls of throw balls
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2024, 08:31:03 PMQuote from: didlyi on November 22, 2024, 06:12:27 PMSo lets just allow throws altogether and not be fooling ourselves
I think and it's been shown a good few times, that the majority of these throws are legitimate hand passes but it's that minimal separation that's missed.
Examples have shown plenty of wrongful calls of throw balls
Examples where the video had to be slowed down to a few frames per second to find the seperation. We never slow it down and exammine all the other throws unless there a free for it so how can you be so sure the rest of them have speration. Anyways as Ive said before even if theres a mm of seperation its still a throw and dont kid yoourslef its somehow a magical skill.
Quote from: didlyi on November 23, 2024, 10:28:40 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2024, 08:31:03 PMQuote from: didlyi on November 22, 2024, 06:12:27 PMSo lets just allow throws altogether and not be fooling ourselves
I think and it's been shown a good few times, that the majority of these throws are legitimate hand passes but it's that minimal separation that's missed.
Examples have shown plenty of wrongful calls of throw balls
Examples where the video had to be slowed down to a few frames per second to find the seperation. We never slow it down and exammine all the other throws unless there a free for it so how can you be so sure the rest of them have speration. Anyways as Ive said before even if theres a mm of seperation its still a throw and dont kid yoourslef its somehow a magical skill.
I don't have to kid myself, I'm enjoying it, the game is just getting better and better. As for you saying if there is a mm of separation then it's hardly a throw.
As for throws there are a fair few 'throws' in football nowadays too
What's the wording of the rule "clear striking action" ?
Quote from: Saffrongael on November 23, 2024, 03:38:35 PMWhat's the wording of the rule "clear striking action" ?
Released and struck with a definite striking action of a hand.
I'd say there aren't many in the modern game meeting that definition. Barry Kelly who knows something about refereeing says the vast majority are illegal.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2024, 04:11:01 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on November 23, 2024, 03:38:35 PMWhat's the wording of the rule "clear striking action" ?
Released and struck with a definite striking action of a hand.
I'd say there aren't many in the modern game meeting that definition. Barry Kelly who knows something about refereeing says the vast majority are illegal.
So, if there is a break in connection with ball and hand, is that throwing the ball?
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2024/11/23/johnny-murphy-on-refereeing-the-all-ireland-final-hand-on-heart-i-was-happy-with-the-way-it-went/
Good read this. And he mentions the throws aswell.
"Did he throw it? Did he not throw it? There must be clear and decisive separation [between the hand and the ball]. Clear and decisive is not a millimetre, it's three inches."
"But policing it is like handing out speeding tickets: every penalised player feels like a victim."
"That conflict has many miles to travel. Do players and managers know the rules? All of them? Not even on a need-to-know basis. Since the black card was introduced, for example, ignorance of its applications is widespread."
Johnny is a damn good ref and needs to be listened to.....
Tight oul game here in Mullingar. CTG played with the wind but only got 3 points to show for it, but scores are hard to get.
It's been quite a while since I played in Mullingar, have the sidelines been brought in to make it a bit of a battle?
Super game. Like last week ref. letting everything go.
High in effort and intensity.
KK getting 2 late goals - one where the ball went over the half-back's head as he came out to meet it. Sun probbly in eyes.
CTG probably hadn't enough on the board at half-time with the strong breeze.
Pitch was ight but CTG had played a heap of games on it this year and it stood to them well.
Although I think the pitch was poor enough. Probably because of all the recent rain but it should have been cut a bit.
Maybe CTG wanted it that way.
If you look at The Athletics Ground last Saturday evening, the grass was nice and short and suitable for hurling.
Personally thought the standard was poor from both teams, intensity at max, effort at max but 2-13 is a very low scoring return
Na Fianna should win handy enough
Did like the young bucks though of KK, up for a battle
But just think the Dubs should come through, think the winner of the other semi will win the title though, so, a huge hurdle for the Ulster champions (should be S'neil)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2024, 10:15:14 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2024, 04:11:01 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on November 23, 2024, 03:38:35 PMWhat's the wording of the rule "clear striking action" ?
Released and struck with a definite striking action of a hand.
I'd say there aren't many in the modern game meeting that definition. Barry Kelly who knows something about refereeing says the vast majority are illegal.
So, if there is a break in connection with ball and hand, is that throwing the ball?
When you've an actual ref coming out with stuff like this, it's clear the problem doesn't lie with rule book. But rather with the ignorance of it.
As I've said til I'm blue in the face - it doesn't have to be a throw to be a foul.
Quote from: Franko on November 24, 2024, 08:59:58 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2024, 10:15:14 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2024, 04:11:01 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on November 23, 2024, 03:38:35 PMWhat's the wording of the rule "clear striking action" ?
Released and struck with a definite striking action of a hand.
I'd say there aren't many in the modern game meeting that definition. Barry Kelly who knows something about refereeing says the vast majority are illegal.
So, if there is a break in connection with ball and hand, is that throwing the ball?
When you've an actual ref coming out with stuff like this, it's clear the problem doesn't lie with rule book. But rather with the ignorance of it.
As I've said til I'm blue in the face - it doesn't have to be a throw to be a foul.
Whatever. No one really cares enough to complain too much.
Plenty counties looking ref's though, with your attitude, you'd do well
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2024, 07:52:42 PMPersonally thought the standard was poor from both teams, intensity at max, effort at max but 2-13 is a very low scoring return
Na Fianna should win handy enough
Did like the young bucks though of KK, up for a battle
But just think the Dubs should come through, think the winner of the other semi will win the title though, so, a huge hurdle for the Ulster champions (should be S'neil)
Couldn't fault the effort level of either team and conditions were tricky, but my god the quality was low.
That little bit more experience just got KK over the line, the big man coming on toward the end got them back into the game and then got on a lot of ball to keep them there.
Dowling back to Limerick setup as a keeper.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 28, 2024, 05:29:28 PMDowling back to Limerick setup as a keeper.
I didn't realise that Quaid had done his cruciate, so it makes a bit more sense now!
Quote from: johnnycool on December 11, 2024, 04:26:31 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 28, 2024, 05:29:28 PMDowling back to Limerick setup as a keeper.
I didn't realise that Quaid had done his cruciate, so it makes a bit more sense now!
Yeah, gone for the year.
Will be a huge loss to Limerick.
Be interesting to see who Limerick's No. 1 will be now. Dowling is good but Gillane, is progressing well also.