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Preview

The two groups were drawn with six clubs in Group 1 and Group 2, respectively, from which four sides from each group will reach the seeded quarterfinals.

Lavey have been promoted from the Intermediate Football League to join the senior sides in this competition.

They will be looking to take their perfect record from this season into the championship as they look to win their 10th title and first since 1993.

However, favourites for the title will be Glen as they look to secure their fourth Senior Championship in a row, becoming the third side to manage this feat, joining Bellaghy and Slaughtneil on this prestigious list.

The title will be necessary should they wish to defend their All Ireland Senior Club title.

However, with the club currently occupying eighth place in the Senior League, there may be some doubts around whether the club can hold the trophy aloft this season again.

Yet Glen, like Magherafelt, will point to the county players they have been missing through the league campaign who will return and bolster their side for the championship.

Dungiven and Kilrea will look to take confidence from their fine league form, with the sides occupying the top two spots, level on points.

Group 2 could be considered the weaker of the two, with Steelstown, Loup, and Ballinascreen all sitting in the lower half of the league, while intermediate side Lavey are also in this group.


The first round will be held on August 4, with the final set to take place on October 27.

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Personally, my money is on Magherafelt. The talent they have and the talent coming though is quality. Maybe the year to punch on a Glen team that's been on the road for a while now.

Championship season tickets have remained the same price and are now on sale, excellent value for money those

I think everyones on the same page that its Glen's to lose.
Magherafelt actualy look a good bet there at 9/1. Nothing else looks worthwhile.

Id be curious to hear what people think outside of Glen Sneil Mfelt if they had to choose?

Quote from: jmcgdoire on July 18, 2024, 11:02:36 AMI think everyones on the same page that its Glen's to lose.
Magherafelt actualy look a good bet there at 9/1. Nothing else looks worthwhile.

Id be curious to hear what people think outside of Glen Sneil Mfelt if they had to choose?

Glen still the favourites, but the hunger might not be at the same level this year and if MOR happens to get the Derry job that could be another factor.
For me, Mfelt fall in behind them.

Predictions?

Ballinascreen v Loup
Newbridge v Lavey
Swatragh v Dungiven
Glen  v Slaughtneil
Kilrea v Bellaghy
Steelstown v Magherafelt

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Lavey
Swatragh
Glen
Bellaghy
Magherafelt
They all look like close matches. Defensively football and supporters complaining about pointless group games  are my added predictions.

Quote from: GTP on July 26, 2024, 01:03:06 PMScreen
Lavey
Swatragh
Glen
Bellaghy
Magherafelt
They all look like close matches. Defensively football and supporters complaining about pointless group games  are my added predictions.

Last year the group matches were more open and easy on the eye

Will Glen v Slaughtneil be flat out? Will they full out?

What sort of a attendance would they expect for a big Derby match like that? Is it on Derrytv?

Be good attendances but only really pick up at Knockout.

posted this another thread. There are only three teams who are certain of getting through in the 2 groups. Thats Glen, S'neil & Magherafelt. S'neil and M'felt will play their full teams, they have no choice to get high in their own group to avoid a very tough quarterfinal. You top your group you play the team placed fourth in the other group-an easier draw in theory. Glen can afford to rest some players, not many-the only two who did not appear in last weekends game in which they lost was Jack Doherty and Glass. They know they will come out of the group regardless due to how strong they are and then ramp it up at that quarterfinal stage. ( only a small handful of teams in Ireland can give them a game) The remaining 9 teams will be at full strength unless they have injured players, and will have to take each game seriously as 2 teams from the two group of 6 will be eliminated after the group, top 4 from each group into quarterfinal. Its a tough c'ship for literally 9 of the clubs and if M'fet were in Glens group they would be getting atough section as well. We lost last weekend to Bellaghy in the first group game and we are now under serious pressure, with both Glen and S'neil to play we have a battle to get to to the quarterfinal.

Quote from: shawshank on August 09, 2024, 10:23:13 AMposted this another thread. There are only three teams who are certain of getting through in the 2 groups. Thats Glen, S'neil & Magherafelt. S'neil and M'felt will play their full teams, they have no choice to get high in their own group to avoid a very tough quarterfinal. You top your group you play the team placed fourth in the other group-an easier draw in theory. Glen can afford to rest some players, not many-the only two who did not appear in last weekends game in which they lost was Jack Doherty and Glass. They know they will come out of the group regardless due to how strong they are and then ramp it up at that quarterfinal stage. ( only a small handful of teams in Ireland can give them a game) The remaining 9 teams will be at full strength unless they have injured players, and will have to take each game seriously as 2 teams from the two group of 6 will be eliminated after the group, top 4 from each group into quarterfinal. Its a tough c'ship for literally 9 of the clubs and if M'fet were in Glens group they would be getting atough section as well. We lost last weekend to Bellaghy in the first group game and we are now under serious pressure, with both Glen and S'neil to play we have a battle to get to to the quarterfinal.

So Derry format is 2 groups of 6. A team plays 5 games and only 4 teams are knocked out after 5 games?

Quote from: shawshank on August 09, 2024, 10:23:13 AMposted this another thread. There are only three teams who are certain of getting through in the 2 groups. Thats Glen, S'neil & Magherafelt. S'neil and M'felt will play their full teams, they have no choice to get high in their own group to avoid a very tough quarterfinal. You top your group you play the team placed fourth in the other group-an easier draw in theory. Glen can afford to rest some players, not many-the only two who did not appear in last weekends game in which they lost was Jack Doherty and Glass. They know they will come out of the group regardless due to how strong they are and then ramp it up at that quarterfinal stage. ( only a small handful of teams in Ireland can give them a game) The remaining 9 teams will be at full strength unless they have injured players, and will have to take each game seriously as 2 teams from the two group of 6 will be eliminated after the group, top 4 from each group into quarterfinal. Its a tough c'ship for literally 9 of the clubs and if M'fet were in Glens group they would be getting atough section as well. We lost last weekend to Bellaghy in the first group game and we are now under serious pressure, with both Glen and S'neil to play we have a battle to get to to the quarterfinal.

They were missing quite a number against Steelstown though

Quote from: thebigfullforward on August 09, 2024, 11:21:21 AM

Quote from: shawshank on August 09, 2024, 10:23:13 AMposted this another thread. There are only three teams who are certain of getting through in the 2 groups. Thats Glen, S'neil & Magherafelt. S'neil and M'felt will play their full teams, they have no choice to get high in their own group to avoid a very tough quarterfinal. You top your group you play the team placed fourth in the other group-an easier draw in theory. Glen can afford to rest some players, not many-the only two who did not appear in last weekends game in which they lost was Jack Doherty and Glass. They know they will come out of the group regardless due to how strong they are and then ramp it up at that quarterfinal stage. ( only a small handful of teams in Ireland can give them a game) The remaining 9 teams will be at full strength unless they have injured players, and will have to take each game seriously as 2 teams from the two group of 6 will be eliminated after the group, top 4 from each group into quarterfinal. Its a tough c'ship for literally 9 of the clubs and if M'fet were in Glens group they would be getting atough section as well. We lost last weekend to Bellaghy in the first group game and we are now under serious pressure, with both Glen and S'neil to play we have a battle to get to to the quarterfinal.

So Derry format is 2 groups of 6. A team plays 5 games and only 4 teams are knocked out after 5 games?

Yes, it also means that the county player only played 5 games for their club this season if you are four of the teams eliminated. If you get to the final the county player ha played a max of 8 games for his club

Interested outsider here.
Shawshank im not sure if your last post is a comment or a complaint about the lack of club games for county players. And I'm not sure exactly how Derry club fixtures work. But surely the focus is on giving club players games while the county players get to play with the county.

it was in response to 'thebigfullforward' post. Agree with the focus of giving club players games. The structure that was in place prior to the clubs crying and changing it to protect their own interests would have ensured the each game in the group system had jeopardy. Bottom two from each group playing off each other for championship relegation as well as top four going to quarterfinal.

I've seen a few county boards struggle to provide 'jeopardy' in their championship when trying to marry it with a suitable amount of games for the players.
I'm not sure I have seen a county get it perfectly right yet...... and thus the reason why simple knock out in Tyrone is still lauded possibly

Quote from: shawshank on August 09, 2024, 11:55:32 AM

Quote from: thebigfullforward on August 09, 2024, 11:21:21 AM

Quote from: shawshank on August 09, 2024, 10:23:13 AMposted this another thread. There are only three teams who are certain of getting through in the 2 groups. Thats Glen, S'neil & Magherafelt. S'neil and M'felt will play their full teams, they have no choice to get high in their own group to avoid a very tough quarterfinal. You top your group you play the team placed fourth in the other group-an easier draw in theory. Glen can afford to rest some players, not many-the only two who did not appear in last weekends game in which they lost was Jack Doherty and Glass. They know they will come out of the group regardless due to how strong they are and then ramp it up at that quarterfinal stage. ( only a small handful of teams in Ireland can give them a game) The remaining 9 teams will be at full strength unless they have injured players, and will have to take each game seriously as 2 teams from the two group of 6 will be eliminated after the group, top 4 from each group into quarterfinal. Its a tough c'ship for literally 9 of the clubs and if M'fet were in Glens group they would be getting atough section as well. We lost last weekend to Bellaghy in the first group game and we are now under serious pressure, with both Glen and S'neil to play we have a battle to get to to the quarterfinal.

So Derry format is 2 groups of 6. A team plays 5 games and only 4 teams are knocked out after 5 games?

Yes, it also means that the county player only played 5 games for their club this season if you are four of the teams eliminated. If you get to the final the county player ha played a max of 8 games for his club

County players don't play any league games for the club? That's a bit crazy to me. What do players on the fringes of the county squad do for game time?

Quote from: Gael-in-exile on August 09, 2024, 12:59:21 PMI've seen a few county boards struggle to provide 'jeopardy' in their championship when trying to marry it with a suitable amount of games for the players.
I'm not sure I have seen a county get it perfectly right yet...... and thus the reason why simple knock out in Tyrone is still lauded possibly

Tyrone league is running flat out at the minute with most teams playing 2 league games a week.
I know they play starred games during the county season. From what I can make out, this means most teams have all their county players for the 2nd half of the league leading into championship. Downside is the volume of games over such a tight schedule.

Pick up an injury, lets say a strain that requires 4 weeks rest. In Tyrone this month you could miss 6/7 games, almost half the league campaign. Yeah Tyrone has a grt system that has their club players at the heart of it. 🤣

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Pick up an injury, lets say a strain that requires 4 weeks rest. In Tyrone this month you could miss 6/7 games, almost half the league campaign. Yeah Tyrone has a grt system that has their club players at the heart of it. 🤣
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Did Tyrone reintroduce an old competition this year in the earlier months that would've suited club only players?
I think how they have fixtured league is wrong but I do think the one chance championship fixture is why people look favourably at how they do it.
It wouldn't be my choice but I can see why some like it

Quote from: thebigfullforward on August 09, 2024, 11:21:21 AM

Quote from: shawshank on August 09, 2024, 10:23:13 AMposted this another thread. There are only three teams who are certain of getting through in the 2 groups. Thats Glen, S'neil & Magherafelt. S'neil and M'felt will play their full teams, they have no choice to get high in their own group to avoid a very tough quarterfinal. You top your group you play the team placed fourth in the other group-an easier draw in theory. Glen can afford to rest some players, not many-the only two who did not appear in last weekends game in which they lost was Jack Doherty and Glass. They know they will come out of the group regardless due to how strong they are and then ramp it up at that quarterfinal stage. ( only a small handful of teams in Ireland can give them a game) The remaining 9 teams will be at full strength unless they have injured players, and will have to take each game seriously as 2 teams from the two group of 6 will be eliminated after the group, top 4 from each group into quarterfinal. Its a tough c'ship for literally 9 of the clubs and if M'fet were in Glens group they would be getting atough section as well. We lost last weekend to Bellaghy in the first group game and we are now under serious pressure, with both Glen and S'neil to play we have a battle to get to to the quarterfinal.

So Derry format is 2 groups of 6. A team plays 5 games and only 4 teams are knocked out after 5 games?

That's a third of the teams eliminated after the group games. Also the critics of this system don't seem to appreciate that there is still a substantial knockout element in this system with only one fewer round than in counties like Tyrone.

Quote from: shawshank on August 09, 2024, 06:37:31 PMPick up an injury, lets say a strain that requires 4 weeks rest. In Tyrone this month you could miss 6/7 games, almost half the league campaign. Yeah Tyrone has a grt system that has their club players at the heart of it. 🤣

Pick up said strain and you would miss half the Derry championship 😉

Jez our season just went up in smoke yesterday. Can't fathom what went wrong, pure car crash.

I think Newbridge could cause a few surprises before it's over. And I simply cannot believe how far Ballinderry & Loup have fallen. Though the pedigree will allow them to regroup, but still, who would have seen it?

Quote from: bannside on August 19, 2024, 03:48:49 PMI think Newbridge could cause a few surprises before it's over. And I simply cannot believe how far Ballinderry & Loup have fallen. Though the pedigree will allow them to regroup, but still, who would have seen it?

Most in Derry would have seen it coming, simply not the same calibre of players coming through like they did in the 90s/00's

Quote from: bannside on August 19, 2024, 03:48:49 PMI think Newbridge could cause a few surprises before it's over. And I simply cannot believe how far Ballinderry & Loup have fallen. Though the pedigree will allow them to regroup, but still, who would have seen it?

What would be a shock? They're the 4th best team in the county & they won't beat any of the top 3.

Means nothing at this stage but important result for us tonight after the debacle of the semi final last year

Went to a couple of Tyrone Championship games over the weekend. I left jealous. Massive crowds, massive atmosphere, a big buzz with the feeling that the game means everything.

Then you head home and jump onto Twitter & Facebook and see interviews with all managers and some players from TeamTalkMag. Tyrone posting team sheets on Twitter and great updates. Top notch service

The current Derry format is brutal. Badly attended league games with no atmosphere that started being played on 2nd August & the first knock out games not being played until October.

Quote from: toby47 on September 09, 2024, 10:08:50 AMWent to a couple of Tyrone Championship games over the weekend. I left jealous. Massive crowds, massive atmosphere, a big buzz with the feeling that the game means everything.

Then you head home and jump onto Twitter & Facebook and see interviews with all managers and some players from TeamTalkMag. Tyrone posting team sheets on Twitter and great updates. Top notch service

The current Derry format is brutal. Badly attended league games with no atmosphere that started being played on 2nd August & the first knock out games not being played until October.

funny, I made a post highlighting the issues a few months ago and was pretty much told I was wrong, that everything is great, there are no meaningless games, league games are well attended, championship format is grand. 

It all needs a revamp and focus.

All your points are correct, and Derry is way behind. It almost feels like Derry rely on individual clubs to carry the flag and forget about the rest.

Quote from: LoughNeagh on September 09, 2024, 10:48:10 AM

Quote from: toby47 on September 09, 2024, 10:08:50 AMWent to a couple of Tyrone Championship games over the weekend. I left jealous. Massive crowds, massive atmosphere, a big buzz with the feeling that the game means everything.

Then you head home and jump onto Twitter & Facebook and see interviews with all managers and some players from TeamTalkMag. Tyrone posting team sheets on Twitter and great updates. Top notch service

The current Derry format is brutal. Badly attended league games with no atmosphere that started being played on 2nd August & the first knock out games not being played until October.

funny, I made a post highlighting the issues a few months ago and was pretty much told I was wrong, that everything is great, there are no meaningless games, league games are well attended, championship format is grand. 

It all needs a revamp and focus.

All your points are correct, and Derry is way behind. It almost feels like Derry rely on individual clubs to carry the flag and forget about the rest.

I agree to a large extent but for many club players in Tyrone their season is over now. It started on 31 May. That means they've had football in June, July, August and one week in September, basically just over 3 months. They also had a break in July so it's really 3 months or just under. If I was still playing club football I wouldn't be happy with that, all that training for a 12 or 13 week season. For most teams out now their next competitive game is at the end of May 2025.

Quote from: lenny on September 09, 2024, 11:53:18 AM

Quote from: LoughNeagh on September 09, 2024, 10:48:10 AM

Quote from: toby47 on September 09, 2024, 10:08:50 AMWent to a couple of Tyrone Championship games over the weekend. I left jealous. Massive crowds, massive atmosphere, a big buzz with the feeling that the game means everything.

Then you head home and jump onto Twitter & Facebook and see interviews with all managers and some players from TeamTalkMag. Tyrone posting team sheets on Twitter and great updates. Top notch service

The current Derry format is brutal. Badly attended league games with no atmosphere that started being played on 2nd August & the first knock out games not being played until October.

funny, I made a post highlighting the issues a few months ago and was pretty much told I was wrong, that everything is great, there are no meaningless games, league games are well attended, championship format is grand. 

It all needs a revamp and focus.

All your points are correct, and Derry is way behind. It almost feels like Derry rely on individual clubs to carry the flag and forget about the rest.

I agree to a large extent but for many club players in Tyrone their season is over now. It started on 31 May. That means they've had football in June, July, August and one week in September, basically just over 3 months. They also had a break in July so it's really 3 months or just under. If I was still playing club football I wouldn't be happy with that, all that training for a 12 or 13 week season. For most teams out now their next competitive game is at the end of May 2025.

There was a pre season Tournament in Tyrone in May for clubs, each team will be training for 6-8 weeks out with friendlies etc too. April - September/October is a good enough length of season. 15 league games, a pre season tournament and a championship campaign.

I know for a fact talking to our club guys, they are bored to death with this dragged out season full of meaningless games. They have been training since January for a League that started in April. The league was absolutely dire (derry have done some f*cking about with leagues the past 5 years, team relegated, clubs appealing relegation, and clubs not turning up for relegation games) - with all due respect 2 teams competed for a league in the last game day that aren't in the top 10 clubs in Derry, Bellaghy won it last year also. Big clubs with panels of 50 conceding half their reserve games. Then into a 5 group game championship campaign. All for a knockout game in October, I don't really buy having a KO game in September a worse scenario for a player?

Reserve games being played on Owenbeg training pitch whilst there's a senior game on the main field at the same time. Feck all buy in from Derry to promote it, if your lucky a club will post scores, Mal McMullan might write down a starting 15 in his own handwriting and tweet it, Mark K, Odhran Bradley or Orlagh Mullabn will give you updates if they are at a game..but absolutely nothing from Derry, no videos, interviews, teamsheets etc.

Slaughtneil beat Glen, who cares? Magherafelt beat by Newbridge last week, Foreglen beat Glenullin, Castledawson beat Glenullin....who cares? The results all mean very little. County men on holiday whilst their club are playing, teams holding 3 and 4 men back from playing a game because they have a bigger game next week. That's not a good championship for me.

Sorry I usually try tweet optimistic enough posts on here, but it's a big gripe of mine at the moment.

Quote from: toby47 on September 09, 2024, 12:28:14 PM

Quote from: lenny on September 09, 2024, 11:53:18 AM

Quote from: LoughNeagh on September 09, 2024, 10:48:10 AM

Quote from: toby47 on September 09, 2024, 10:08:50 AMWent to a couple of Tyrone Championship games over the weekend. I left jealous. Massive crowds, massive atmosphere, a big buzz with the feeling that the game means everything.

Then you head home and jump onto Twitter & Facebook and see interviews with all managers and some players from TeamTalkMag. Tyrone posting team sheets on Twitter and great updates. Top notch service

The current Derry format is brutal. Badly attended league games with no atmosphere that started being played on 2nd August & the first knock out games not being played until October.

funny, I made a post highlighting the issues a few months ago and was pretty much told I was wrong, that everything is great, there are no meaningless games, league games are well attended, championship format is grand. 

It all needs a revamp and focus.

All your points are correct, and Derry is way behind. It almost feels like Derry rely on individual clubs to carry the flag and forget about the rest.

I agree to a large extent but for many club players in Tyrone their season is over now. It started on 31 May. That means they've had football in June, July, August and one week in September, basically just over 3 months. They also had a break in July so it's really 3 months or just under. If I was still playing club football I wouldn't be happy with that, all that training for a 12 or 13 week season. For most teams out now their next competitive game is at the end of May 2025.

There was a pre season Tournament in Tyrone in May for clubs, each team will be training for 6-8 weeks out with friendlies etc too. April - September/October is a good enough length of season. 15 league games, a pre season tournament and a championship campaign.

I know for a fact talking to our club guys, they are bored to death with this dragged out season full of meaningless games. They have been training since January for a League that started in April. The league was absolutely dire (derry have done some f*cking about with leagues the past 5 years, team relegated, clubs appealing relegation, and clubs not turning up for relegation games) - with all due respect 2 teams competed for a league in the last game day that aren't in the top 10 clubs in Derry, Bellaghy won it last year also. Big clubs with panels of 50 conceding half their reserve games. Then into a 5 group game championship campaign. All for a knockout game in October, I don't really buy having a KO game in September a worse scenario for a player?

Reserve games being played on Owenbeg training pitch whilst there's a senior game on the main field at the same time. Feck all buy in from Derry to promote it, if your lucky a club will post scores, Mal McMullan might write down a starting 15 in his own handwriting and tweet it, Mark K, Odhran Bradley or Orlagh Mullabn will give you updates if they are at a game..but absolutely nothing from Derry, no videos, interviews, teamsheets etc.

Slaughtneil beat Glen, who cares? Magherafelt beat by Newbridge last week, Foreglen beat Glenullin, Castledawson beat Glenullin....who cares? The results all mean very little. County men on holiday whilst their club are playing, teams holding 3 and 4 men back from playing a game because they have a bigger game next week. That's not a good championship for me.

Sorry I usually try tweet optimistic enough posts on here, but it's a big gripe of mine at the moment.

There's also the Ulster League.
The Tyrone club championship works imo. Theres any one of about 6 teams could win it - Derry realistically the winner is going to come from 3, and probably only 2 teams.

I was at the Kildress/Greencastle and Dungannon/Donaghmore double header yesterday.
Real niggle, real nerves, proper championship fare. Big crowd too, took us about 40 mins to get the car out after.
And - both games were decent quality.

Quote from: toby47 on September 09, 2024, 12:28:14 PM

Quote from: lenny on September 09, 2024, 11:53:18 AM

Quote from: LoughNeagh on September 09, 2024, 10:48:10 AM

Quote from: toby47 on September 09, 2024, 10:08:50 AMWent to a couple of Tyrone Championship games over the weekend. I left jealous. Massive crowds, massive atmosphere, a big buzz with the feeling that the game means everything.

Then you head home and jump onto Twitter & Facebook and see interviews with all managers and some players from TeamTalkMag. Tyrone posting team sheets on Twitter and great updates. Top notch service

The current Derry format is brutal. Badly attended league games with no atmosphere that started being played on 2nd August & the first knock out games not being played until October.

funny, I made a post highlighting the issues a few months ago and was pretty much told I was wrong, that everything is great, there are no meaningless games, league games are well attended, championship format is grand. 

It all needs a revamp and focus.

All your points are correct, and Derry is way behind. It almost feels like Derry rely on individual clubs to carry the flag and forget about the rest.

I agree to a large extent but for many club players in Tyrone their season is over now. It started on 31 May. That means they've had football in June, July, August and one week in September, basically just over 3 months. They also had a break in July so it's really 3 months or just under. If I was still playing club football I wouldn't be happy with that, all that training for a 12 or 13 week season. For most teams out now their next competitive game is at the end of May 2025.

There was a pre season Tournament in Tyrone in May for clubs, each team will be training for 6-8 weeks out with friendlies etc too. April - September/October is a good enough length of season. 15 league games, a pre season tournament and a championship campaign.

I know for a fact talking to our club guys, they are bored to death with this dragged out season full of meaningless games. They have been training since January for a League that started in April. The league was absolutely dire (derry have done some f*cking about with leagues the past 5 years, team relegated, clubs appealing relegation, and clubs not turning up for relegation games) - with all due respect 2 teams competed for a league in the last game day that aren't in the top 10 clubs in Derry, Bellaghy won it last year also. Big clubs with panels of 50 conceding half their reserve games. Then into a 5 group game championship campaign. All for a knockout game in October, I don't really buy having a KO game in September a worse scenario for a player?

Reserve games being played on Owenbeg training pitch whilst there's a senior game on the main field at the same time. Feck all buy in from Derry to promote it, if your lucky a club will post scores, Mal McMullan might write down a starting 15 in his own handwriting and tweet it, Mark K, Odhran Bradley or Orlagh Mullabn will give you updates if they are at a game..but absolutely nothing from Derry, no videos, interviews, teamsheets etc.

Slaughtneil beat Glen, who cares? Magherafelt beat by Newbridge last week, Foreglen beat Glenullin, Castledawson beat Glenullin....who cares? The results all mean very little. County men on holiday whilst their club are playing, teams holding 3 and 4 men back from playing a game because they have a bigger game next week. That's not a good championship for me.

Sorry I usually try tweet optimistic enough posts on here, but it's a big gripe of mine at the moment.

Alan Gunn does his best to be fair to him, doing live commentary from most senior games. Derry wouldn't even think to just give the man a camera & have it live streamed. In Tyrone you can watch every game Senior, Intermediate & Junior. Tyrone's Junior championship is better promoted than Derrys senior championship. Sorry state of affairs

Quote from: Derry Man on September 09, 2024, 06:05:13 PM

Quote from: toby47 on September 09, 2024, 12:28:14 PM

Quote from: lenny on September 09, 2024, 11:53:18 AM

Quote from: LoughNeagh on September 09, 2024, 10:48:10 AM

Quote from: toby47 on September 09, 2024, 10:08:50 AMWent to a couple of Tyrone Championship games over the weekend. I left jealous. Massive crowds, massive atmosphere, a big buzz with the feeling that the game means everything.

Then you head home and jump onto Twitter & Facebook and see interviews with all managers and some players from TeamTalkMag. Tyrone posting team sheets on Twitter and great updates. Top notch service

The current Derry format is brutal. Badly attended league games with no atmosphere that started being played on 2nd August & the first knock out games not being played until October.

funny, I made a post highlighting the issues a few months ago and was pretty much told I was wrong, that everything is great, there are no meaningless games, league games are well attended, championship format is grand. 

It all needs a revamp and focus.

All your points are correct, and Derry is way behind. It almost feels like Derry rely on individual clubs to carry the flag and forget about the rest.

I agree to a large extent but for many club players in Tyrone their season is over now. It started on 31 May. That means they've had football in June, July, August and one week in September, basically just over 3 months. They also had a break in July so it's really 3 months or just under. If I was still playing club football I wouldn't be happy with that, all that training for a 12 or 13 week season. For most teams out now their next competitive game is at the end of May 2025.

There was a pre season Tournament in Tyrone in May for clubs, each team will be training for 6-8 weeks out with friendlies etc too. April - September/October is a good enough length of season. 15 league games, a pre season tournament and a championship campaign.

I know for a fact talking to our club guys, they are bored to death with this dragged out season full of meaningless games. They have been training since January for a League that started in April. The league was absolutely dire (derry have done some f*cking about with leagues the past 5 years, team relegated, clubs appealing relegation, and clubs not turning up for relegation games) - with all due respect 2 teams competed for a league in the last game day that aren't in the top 10 clubs in Derry, Bellaghy won it last year also. Big clubs with panels of 50 conceding half their reserve games. Then into a 5 group game championship campaign. All for a knockout game in October, I don't really buy having a KO game in September a worse scenario for a player?

Reserve games being played on Owenbeg training pitch whilst there's a senior game on the main field at the same time. Feck all buy in from Derry to promote it, if your lucky a club will post scores, Mal McMullan might write down a starting 15 in his own handwriting and tweet it, Mark K, Odhran Bradley or Orlagh Mullabn will give you updates if they are at a game..but absolutely nothing from Derry, no videos, interviews, teamsheets etc.

Slaughtneil beat Glen, who cares? Magherafelt beat by Newbridge last week, Foreglen beat Glenullin, Castledawson beat Glenullin....who cares? The results all mean very little. County men on holiday whilst their club are playing, teams holding 3 and 4 men back from playing a game because they have a bigger game next week. That's not a good championship for me.

Sorry I usually try tweet optimistic enough posts on here, but it's a big gripe of mine at the moment.

Alan Gunn does his best to be fair to him, doing live commentary from most senior games. Derry wouldn't even think to just give the man a camera & have it live streamed. In Tyrone you can watch every game Senior, Intermediate & Junior. Tyrone's Junior championship is better promoted than Derrys senior championship. Sorry state of affairs

Yeah I forgot to include Alan Gunn, a good man who is trying his best to promote it at the minute too.

Agreed, Alan does a great job

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Quote from: toby47 on September 09, 2024, 10:08:50 AMWent to a couple of Tyrone Championship games over the weekend. I left jealous. Massive crowds, massive atmosphere, a big buzz with the feeling that the game means everything.

Then you head home and jump onto Twitter & Facebook and see interviews with all managers and some players from TeamTalkMag. Tyrone posting team sheets on Twitter and great updates. Top notch service

The current Derry format is brutal. Badly attended league games with no atmosphere that started being played on 2nd August & the first knock out games not being played until October.

funny, I made a post highlighting the issues a few months ago and was pretty much told I was wrong, that everything is great, there are no meaningless games, league games are well attended, championship format is grand. 

It all needs a revamp and focus.

All your points are correct, and Derry is way behind. It almost feels like Derry rely on individual clubs to carry the flag and forget about the rest.

I agree to a large extent but for many club players in Tyrone their season is over now. It started on 31 May. That means they've had football in June, July, August and one week in September, basically just over 3 months. They also had a break in July so it's really 3 months or just under. If I was still playing club football I wouldn't be happy with that, all that training for a 12 or 13 week season. For most teams out now their next competitive game is at the end of May 2025.

There was a pre season Tournament in Tyrone in May for clubs, each team will be training for 6-8 weeks out with friendlies etc too. April - September/October is a good enough length of season. 15 league games, a pre season tournament and a championship campaign.

I know for a fact talking to our club guys, they are bored to death with this dragged out season full of meaningless games. They have been training since January for a League that started in April. The league was absolutely dire (derry have done some f*cking about with leagues the past 5 years, team relegated, clubs appealing relegation, and clubs not turning up for relegation games) - with all due respect 2 teams competed for a league in the last game day that aren't in the top 10 clubs in Derry, Bellaghy won it last year also. Big clubs with panels of 50 conceding half their reserve games. Then into a 5 group game championship campaign. All for a knockout game in October, I don't really buy having a KO game in September a worse scenario for a player?

Reserve games being played on Owenbeg training pitch whilst there's a senior game on the main field at the same time. Feck all buy in from Derry to promote it, if your lucky a club will post scores, Mal McMullan might write down a starting 15 in his own handwriting and tweet it, Mark K, Odhran Bradley or Orlagh Mullabn will give you updates if they are at a game..but absolutely nothing from Derry, no videos, interviews, teamsheets etc.

Slaughtneil beat Glen, who cares? Magherafelt beat by Newbridge last week, Foreglen beat Glenullin, Castledawson beat Glenullin....who cares? The results all mean very little. County men on holiday whilst their club are playing, teams holding 3 and 4 men back from playing a game because they have a bigger game next week. That's not a good championship for me.

Sorry I usually try tweet optimistic enough posts on here, but it's a big gripe of mine at the moment.

There's also the Ulster League.
The Tyrone club championship works imo. Theres any one of about 6 teams could win it - Derry realistically the winner is going to come from 3, and probably only 2 teams.

I was at the Kildress/Greencastle and Dungannon/Donaghmore double header yesterday.
Real niggle, real nerves, proper championship fare. Big crowd too, took us about 40 mins to get the car out after.
And - both games were decent quality.

The bit in bold is the truth. Tyrone selling their club as the best c'ship because its all knockout. The vast majority of club players have a three month season of games. Thats the truth of it. Its inevitable that out club teams will deteriorate as they get less play time over the next 5/10 years. Our county structure via underage leagues coupled with county development squads and schools will continue to produce county players, but it will be those players who are cut at 18/19 or don't make those underage development squads is where we will see clubs eventually feel the effect long term in their ability to play beyond the Tyrone club championship. It makes sense. Take your 18/19 year and he gets three months football over over 5 years versus the 18/19 in Derry who is getting six months football, its inevitable your club player will be better as he has had a min of 15 months extra development in that time period.

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Quote from: toby47 on September 09, 2024, 10:08:50 AMWent to a couple of Tyrone Championship games over the weekend. I left jealous. Massive crowds, massive atmosphere, a big buzz with the feeling that the game means everything.

Then you head home and jump onto Twitter & Facebook and see interviews with all managers and some players from TeamTalkMag. Tyrone posting team sheets on Twitter and great updates. Top notch service

The current Derry format is brutal. Badly attended league games with no atmosphere that started being played on 2nd August & the first knock out games not being played until October.

funny, I made a post highlighting the issues a few months ago and was pretty much told I was wrong, that everything is great, there are no meaningless games, league games are well attended, championship format is grand. 

It all needs a revamp and focus.

All your points are correct, and Derry is way behind. It almost feels like Derry rely on individual clubs to carry the flag and forget about the rest.

I agree to a large extent but for many club players in Tyrone their season is over now. It started on 31 May. That means they've had football in June, July, August and one week in September, basically just over 3 months. They also had a break in July so it's really 3 months or just under. If I was still playing club football I wouldn't be happy with that, all that training for a 12 or 13 week season. For most teams out now their next competitive game is at the end of May 2025.

There was a pre season Tournament in Tyrone in May for clubs, each team will be training for 6-8 weeks out with friendlies etc too. April - September/October is a good enough length of season. 15 league games, a pre season tournament and a championship campaign.

I know for a fact talking to our club guys, they are bored to death with this dragged out season full of meaningless games. They have been training since January for a League that started in April. The league was absolutely dire (derry have done some f*cking about with leagues the past 5 years, team relegated, clubs appealing relegation, and clubs not turning up for relegation games) - with all due respect 2 teams competed for a league in the last game day that aren't in the top 10 clubs in Derry, Bellaghy won it last year also. Big clubs with panels of 50 conceding half their reserve games. Then into a 5 group game championship campaign. All for a knockout game in October, I don't really buy having a KO game in September a worse scenario for a player?

Reserve games being played on Owenbeg training pitch whilst there's a senior game on the main field at the same time. Feck all buy in from Derry to promote it, if your lucky a club will post scores, Mal McMullan might write down a starting 15 in his own handwriting and tweet it, Mark K, Odhran Bradley or Orlagh Mullabn will give you updates if they are at a game..but absolutely nothing from Derry, no videos, interviews, teamsheets etc.

Slaughtneil beat Glen, who cares? Magherafelt beat by Newbridge last week, Foreglen beat Glenullin, Castledawson beat Glenullin....who cares? The results all mean very little. County men on holiday whilst their club are playing, teams holding 3 and 4 men back from playing a game because they have a bigger game next week. That's not a good championship for me.

Sorry I usually try tweet optimistic enough posts on here, but it's a big gripe of mine at the moment.

There's also the Ulster League.
The Tyrone club championship works imo. Theres any one of about 6 teams could win it - Derry realistically the winner is going to come from 3, and probably only 2 teams.

I was at the Kildress/Greencastle and Dungannon/Donaghmore double header yesterday.
Real niggle, real nerves, proper championship fare. Big crowd too, took us about 40 mins to get the car out after.
And - both games were decent quality.

The bit in bold is the truth. Tyrone selling their club as the best c'ship because its all knockout. The vast majority of club players have a three month season of games. Thats the truth of it. Its inevitable that out club teams will deteriorate as they get less play time over the next 5/10 years. Our county structure via underage leagues coupled with county development squads and schools will continue to produce county players, but it will be those players who are cut at 18/19 or don't make those underage development squads is where we will see clubs eventually feel the effect long term in their ability to play beyond the Tyrone club championship. It makes sense. Take your 18/19 year and he gets three months football over over 5 years versus the 18/19 in Derry who is getting six months football, its inevitable your club player will be better as he has had a min of 15 months extra development in that time period.

There's not a big difference in the total amount of games played, so why drag the life out of it?
Would you rather play 5 group games with feck all buzz around them and finish bottom of the table or play 1 big game, knock out, parish buzzing, something at stake, family in Oz & America able to watch on a stream and get knocked out first clip? No real difference in many respects if your beat, but i'd rather the build up to a big game. I don't see the point in playing another 2-3 games in a crap environment just for the sake of it.

Amount of games over the course of a season.

Div 1 League games      Guaranteed C'ship Games      Guaranteed Games
Derry 13  Tyrone 14      Derry 5  Tyrone 1                     Derry 18  Tyrone 15

Div 2 League games       Div 2
Derry 13  Tyrone 14      Derry 5  Tyrone 1                      Derry 18  Tyrone 15

Div 3 League games       Div 3
Derry 9   Tyrone 16      Derry 5  Tyrone 1                       Derry 14  Tyrone 17

Take into account Tyrone do league semi finals & finals, there are relegation play offs in Derry, pre season tournaments (which some teams in Derry chose not to field a team in) and the option to play in the Ulster League. Over the course of a season there is not a massive difference in the amount of game played. Some Junior teams in Derry done out of a championship game as Ardmore have conceded 3 games so far. There are a lot of variables to the numbers.

The leagues are also take more seriously in Tyrone. Very little reserve games conceded.
34 Division 1 Reserve League games weren't fielded/conceded in Derry this season.
49 Division 2 Reserve League games weren't fielded/conceded in Derry this season.

No point in starting a competition earlier in the year for the sake of it. Games conceded galore, senior games with barely any 'senior' players playing.

Just a small correction Division 1 & 2 in Tyrone is a 15 game season so guaranteed minimum 16 games. Only 5 of those games are played without county players so there is that added exposure of young players to quality opposition to help with their development. 6 of the teams knocked out at the weekdnd fall into the category of having a minimum 16 games although a few of them got a few extra games in a pre season competition (Dromore for example got to the final so that was additional 4 games). The other 2 - Coalisland and Galbally have relegation and league title play offs to come respectively.

On the face of it 3 months of games is short enough I agree but as Toby showed if you delve further into it theres not much difference in quantity of games overall.

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Quote from: toby47 on September 09, 2024, 10:08:50 AMWent to a couple of Tyrone Championship games over the weekend. I left jealous. Massive crowds, massive atmosphere, a big buzz with the feeling that the game means everything.

Then you head home and jump onto Twitter & Facebook and see interviews with all managers and some players from TeamTalkMag. Tyrone posting team sheets on Twitter and great updates. Top notch service

The current Derry format is brutal. Badly attended league games with no atmosphere that started being played on 2nd August & the first knock out games not being played until October.

funny, I made a post highlighting the issues a few months ago and was pretty much told I was wrong, that everything is great, there are no meaningless games, league games are well attended, championship format is grand. 

It all needs a revamp and focus.

All your points are correct, and Derry is way behind. It almost feels like Derry rely on individual clubs to carry the flag and forget about the rest.

I agree to a large extent but for many club players in Tyrone their season is over now. It started on 31 May. That means they've had football in June, July, August and one week in September, basically just over 3 months. They also had a break in July so it's really 3 months or just under. If I was still playing club football I wouldn't be happy with that, all that training for a 12 or 13 week season. For most teams out now their next competitive game is at the end of May 2025.

There was a pre season Tournament in Tyrone in May for clubs, each team will be training for 6-8 weeks out with friendlies etc too. April - September/October is a good enough length of season. 15 league games, a pre season tournament and a championship campaign.

I know for a fact talking to our club guys, they are bored to death with this dragged out season full of meaningless games. They have been training since January for a League that started in April. The league was absolutely dire (derry have done some f*cking about with leagues the past 5 years, team relegated, clubs appealing relegation, and clubs not turning up for relegation games) - with all due respect 2 teams competed for a league in the last game day that aren't in the top 10 clubs in Derry, Bellaghy won it last year also. Big clubs with panels of 50 conceding half their reserve games. Then into a 5 group game championship campaign. All for a knockout game in October, I don't really buy having a KO game in September a worse scenario for a player?

Reserve games being played on Owenbeg training pitch whilst there's a senior game on the main field at the same time. Feck all buy in from Derry to promote it, if your lucky a club will post scores, Mal McMullan might write down a starting 15 in his own handwriting and tweet it, Mark K, Odhran Bradley or Orlagh Mullabn will give you updates if they are at a game..but absolutely nothing from Derry, no videos, interviews, teamsheets etc.

Slaughtneil beat Glen, who cares? Magherafelt beat by Newbridge last week, Foreglen beat Glenullin, Castledawson beat Glenullin....who cares? The results all mean very little. County men on holiday whilst their club are playing, teams holding 3 and 4 men back from playing a game because they have a bigger game next week. That's not a good championship for me.

Sorry I usually try tweet optimistic enough posts on here, but it's a big gripe of mine at the moment.

Here's a question for you. Why are they training since January if the league doesn't start until April? To what end?

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Quote from: toby47 on September 09, 2024, 10:08:50 AMWent to a couple of Tyrone Championship games over the weekend. I left jealous. Massive crowds, massive atmosphere, a big buzz with the feeling that the game means everything.

Then you head home and jump onto Twitter & Facebook and see interviews with all managers and some players from TeamTalkMag. Tyrone posting team sheets on Twitter and great updates. Top notch service

The current Derry format is brutal. Badly attended league games with no atmosphere that started being played on 2nd August & the first knock out games not being played until October.

funny, I made a post highlighting the issues a few months ago and was pretty much told I was wrong, that everything is great, there are no meaningless games, league games are well attended, championship format is grand. 

It all needs a revamp and focus.

All your points are correct, and Derry is way behind. It almost feels like Derry rely on individual clubs to carry the flag and forget about the rest.

I agree to a large extent but for many club players in Tyrone their season is over now. It started on 31 May. That means they've had football in June, July, August and one week in September, basically just over 3 months. They also had a break in July so it's really 3 months or just under. If I was still playing club football I wouldn't be happy with that, all that training for a 12 or 13 week season. For most teams out now their next competitive game is at the end of May 2025.

There was a pre season Tournament in Tyrone in May for clubs, each team will be training for 6-8 weeks out with friendlies etc too. April - September/October is a good enough length of season. 15 league games, a pre season tournament and a championship campaign.

I know for a fact talking to our club guys, they are bored to death with this dragged out season full of meaningless games. They have been training since January for a League that started in April. The league was absolutely dire (derry have done some f*cking about with leagues the past 5 years, team relegated, clubs appealing relegation, and clubs not turning up for relegation games) - with all due respect 2 teams competed for a league in the last game day that aren't in the top 10 clubs in Derry, Bellaghy won it last year also. Big clubs with panels of 50 conceding half their reserve games. Then into a 5 group game championship campaign. All for a knockout game in October, I don't really buy having a KO game in September a worse scenario for a player?

Reserve games being played on Owenbeg training pitch whilst there's a senior game on the main field at the same time. Feck all buy in from Derry to promote it, if your lucky a club will post scores, Mal McMullan might write down a starting 15 in his own handwriting and tweet it, Mark K, Odhran Bradley or Orlagh Mullabn will give you updates if they are at a game..but absolutely nothing from Derry, no videos, interviews, teamsheets etc.

Slaughtneil beat Glen, who cares? Magherafelt beat by Newbridge last week, Foreglen beat Glenullin, Castledawson beat Glenullin....who cares? The results all mean very little. County men on holiday whilst their club are playing, teams holding 3 and 4 men back from playing a game because they have a bigger game next week. That's not a good championship for me.

Sorry I usually try tweet optimistic enough posts on here, but it's a big gripe of mine at the moment.

Here's a question for you. Why are they training since January if the league doesn't start until April? To what end?

True.

Derry season too long.

Tyrone season too short.

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Quote from: toby47 on September 09, 2024, 10:08:50 AMWent to a couple of Tyrone Championship games over the weekend. I left jealous. Massive crowds, massive atmosphere, a big buzz with the feeling that the game means everything.

Then you head home and jump onto Twitter & Facebook and see interviews with all managers and some players from TeamTalkMag. Tyrone posting team sheets on Twitter and great updates. Top notch service

The current Derry format is brutal. Badly attended league games with no atmosphere that started being played on 2nd August & the first knock out games not being played until October.

funny, I made a post highlighting the issues a few months ago and was pretty much told I was wrong, that everything is great, there are no meaningless games, league games are well attended, championship format is grand. 

It all needs a revamp and focus.

All your points are correct, and Derry is way behind. It almost feels like Derry rely on individual clubs to carry the flag and forget about the rest.

I agree to a large extent but for many club players in Tyrone their season is over now. It started on 31 May. That means they've had football in June, July, August and one week in September, basically just over 3 months. They also had a break in July so it's really 3 months or just under. If I was still playing club football I wouldn't be happy with that, all that training for a 12 or 13 week season. For most teams out now their next competitive game is at the end of May 2025.

There was a pre season Tournament in Tyrone in May for clubs, each team will be training for 6-8 weeks out with friendlies etc too. April - September/October is a good enough length of season. 15 league games, a pre season tournament and a championship campaign.

I know for a fact talking to our club guys, they are bored to death with this dragged out season full of meaningless games. They have been training since January for a League that started in April. The league was absolutely dire (derry have done some f*cking about with leagues the past 5 years, team relegated, clubs appealing relegation, and clubs not turning up for relegation games) - with all due respect 2 teams competed for a league in the last game day that aren't in the top 10 clubs in Derry, Bellaghy won it last year also. Big clubs with panels of 50 conceding half their reserve games. Then into a 5 group game championship campaign. All for a knockout game in October, I don't really buy having a KO game in September a worse scenario for a player?

Reserve games being played on Owenbeg training pitch whilst there's a senior game on the main field at the same time. Feck all buy in from Derry to promote it, if your lucky a club will post scores, Mal McMullan might write down a starting 15 in his own handwriting and tweet it, Mark K, Odhran Bradley or Orlagh Mullabn will give you updates if they are at a game..but absolutely nothing from Derry, no videos, interviews, teamsheets etc.

Slaughtneil beat Glen, who cares? Magherafelt beat by Newbridge last week, Foreglen beat Glenullin, Castledawson beat Glenullin....who cares? The results all mean very little. County men on holiday whilst their club are playing, teams holding 3 and 4 men back from playing a game because they have a bigger game next week. That's not a good championship for me.

Sorry I usually try tweet optimistic enough posts on here, but it's a big gripe of mine at the moment.

Here's a question for you. Why are they training since January if the league doesn't start until April? To what end?

Absolutely no idea, wouldn't be the way I'd do it. But i know my own club started training around 2nd/3rd week of January, trained Feb, friendlies every weekend in March and the leagues started 5th April.

Toby47 you have to be from either Glen, S'neil or Magherafelt. Players want games, not loads of trainings with less games as it was for years upon years. Derry players get loads of games now, a schedule when they know when the games are, get a two week break at the holiday period and then a decent period of their county player being with them. The group stage is drawn out with a game every two weeks to accommodate hurling as well (unlike Tyrone). Clubs voted to increase the amount of teams in the league for next year, so they must like it (they couldn't have put self interest ahead of whats best ;D ) I do not like the Tyrone model of football for 3 months for the club player. The average club season should cover 6 months for me, Derry starts mid April and will for 90% of the clubs be over early October, just under the 6 months.

Quote from: shawshank on September 11, 2024, 09:29:01 AMToby47 you have to be from either Glen, S'neil or Magherafelt. Players want games, not loads of trainings with less games as it was for years upon years. Derry players get loads of games now, a schedule when they know when the games are, get a two week break at the holiday period and then a decent period of their county player being with them. The group stage is drawn out with a game every two weeks to accommodate hurling as well (unlike Tyrone). Clubs voted to increase the amount of teams in the league for next year, so they must like it (they couldn't have put self interest ahead of whats best ;D ) I do not like the Tyrone model of football for 3 months for the club player. The average club season should cover 6 months for me, Derry starts mid April and will for 90% of the clubs be over early October, just under the 6 months.

My point is that Derry clubs will train far more than Tyrone clubs in a season because of the breakdown of the season, but won't play many more games over the course of a season.

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Quote from: shawshank on September 11, 2024, 09:29:01 AMToby47 you have to be from either Glen, S'neil or Magherafelt. Players want games, not loads of trainings with less games as it was for years upon years. Derry players get loads of games now, a schedule when they know when the games are, get a two week break at the holiday period and then a decent period of their county player being with them. The group stage is drawn out with a game every two weeks to accommodate hurling as well (unlike Tyrone). Clubs voted to increase the amount of teams in the league for next year, so they must like it (they couldn't have put self interest ahead of whats best ;D ) I do not like the Tyrone model of football for 3 months for the club player. The average club season should cover 6 months for me, Derry starts mid April and will for 90% of the clubs be over early October, just under the 6 months.

My point is that Derry clubs will train far more than Tyrone clubs in a season because of the breakdown of the season, but won't play many more games over the course of a season.

The danger in Tyrone is that a player could get a hamstring injury which puts him out for 6 weeks and he could miss 10 or more games in that time. Also I'm seeing lots of people on social media completely lauding the tyrone system of straight knockout because they think it gives smaller clubs a better chance. I'm not sure if that's correct because in a straight knockout system the smaller teams will more than likely go for years with just one championship match every season. Yes, every now and then there's a shock but the stronger teams will just get stronger with straight knockout as they're getting 3 or 4 championship matches every season minimum and that's developing them into even stronger. At least with groups the weaker sides have a chance to develop, it might take a few seasons before results are evident but with good management and patience they should get stronger.

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Quote from: shawshank on September 11, 2024, 09:29:01 AMToby47 you have to be from either Glen, S'neil or Magherafelt. Players want games, not loads of trainings with less games as it was for years upon years. Derry players get loads of games now, a schedule when they know when the games are, get a two week break at the holiday period and then a decent period of their county player being with them. The group stage is drawn out with a game every two weeks to accommodate hurling as well (unlike Tyrone). Clubs voted to increase the amount of teams in the league for next year, so they must like it (they couldn't have put self interest ahead of whats best ;D ) I do not like the Tyrone model of football for 3 months for the club player. The average club season should cover 6 months for me, Derry starts mid April and will for 90% of the clubs be over early October, just under the 6 months.

My point is that Derry clubs will train far more than Tyrone clubs in a season because of the breakdown of the season, but won't play many more games over the course of a season.

The danger in Tyrone is that a player could get a hamstring injury which puts him out for 6 weeks and he could miss 10 or more games in that time. Also I'm seeing lots of people on social media completely lauding the tyrone system of straight knockout because they think it gives smaller clubs a better chance. I'm not sure if that's correct because in a straight knockout system the smaller teams will more than likely go for years with just one championship match every season. Yes, every now and then there's a shock but the stronger teams will just get stronger with straight knockout as they're getting 3 or 4 championship matches every season minimum and that's developing them into even stronger. At least with groups the weaker sides have a chance to develop, it might take a few seasons before results are evident but with good management and patience they should get stronger.

I wouldn't agree with that Lenny.

Most people would be of the opinion, that there are only 3 teams that could win a championship in Derry at the minute. Glen, Slaughtneil and Magherafelt. In the 4 years since the group stages have been brought in, those 3 teams were the only 3 teams to make a final.

2020 - Slaughtneil v Magherafelt
2021 - Glen v Slaughtneil
2022 - Glen v Slaughtneil
2023 - Glen v Magherafelt

In the 4 years previous to that, 7 different clubs made a senior final appearance.

2016 - Slaughtneil v Loup
2017 - Slaughtneil v Ballinascreen
2018 - Coleraine v Lavey
2019 - Magherafelt v Glen

A knock out championship give smaller clubs a lot more hope. Especially compared to the current system where if a 'smaller' team can scrape through to 4th place in a group they are likely to get a 'big' team straight away, or 'big' teams are going to be kept apart as they will usually finish high up the group.

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Quote from: shawshank on September 11, 2024, 09:29:01 AMToby47 you have to be from either Glen, S'neil or Magherafelt. Players want games, not loads of trainings with less games as it was for years upon years. Derry players get loads of games now, a schedule when they know when the games are, get a two week break at the holiday period and then a decent period of their county player being with them. The group stage is drawn out with a game every two weeks to accommodate hurling as well (unlike Tyrone). Clubs voted to increase the amount of teams in the league for next year, so they must like it (they couldn't have put self interest ahead of whats best ;D ) I do not like the Tyrone model of football for 3 months for the club player. The average club season should cover 6 months for me, Derry starts mid April and will for 90% of the clubs be over early October, just under the 6 months.

My point is that Derry clubs will train far more than Tyrone clubs in a season because of the breakdown of the season, but won't play many more games over the course of a season.

The danger in Tyrone is that a player could get a hamstring injury which puts him out for 6 weeks and he could miss 10 or more games in that time. Also I'm seeing lots of people on social media completely lauding the tyrone system of straight knockout because they think it gives smaller clubs a better chance. I'm not sure if that's correct because in a straight knockout system the smaller teams will more than likely go for years with just one championship match every season. Yes, every now and then there's a shock but the stronger teams will just get stronger with straight knockout as they're getting 3 or 4 championship matches every season minimum and that's developing them into even stronger. At least with groups the weaker sides have a chance to develop, it might take a few seasons before results are evident but with good management and patience they should get stronger.

I wouldn't agree with that Lenny.

Most people would be of the opinion, that there are only 3 teams that could win a championship in Derry at the minute. Glen, Slaughtneil and Magherafelt. In the 4 years since the group stages have been brought in, those 3 teams were the only 3 teams to make a final.

2020 - Slaughtneil v Magherafelt
2021 - Glen v Slaughtneil
2022 - Glen v Slaughtneil
2023 - Glen v Magherafelt

In the 4 years previous to that, 7 different clubs made a senior final appearance.

2016 - Slaughtneil v Loup
2017 - Slaughtneil v Ballinascreen
2018 - Coleraine v Lavey
2019 - Magherafelt v Glen

A knock out championship give smaller clubs a lot more hope. Especially compared to the current system where if a 'smaller' team can scrape through to 4th place in a group they are likely to get a 'big' team straight away, or 'big' teams are going to be kept apart as they will usually finish high up the group.

That's interesting Toby. How long have we had groups I wonder and how long is it since we had straight knockout? I still think at the moment we have 3 or 4 clubs with really strong panels who are very unlikely to be caught in knockout games and there are a number of clubs who would need many, many things going their way to beat a decent team in a knockout game. Going back even 5 or 6 years there wasn't the same gap between the top and the rest. Just my opinion though and I could very well be wrong.

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I'd go for Glen, Newbridge, Slaughtneil and Magherafelt.

Id say everyone would be picking those four.
The question is which team is most likely to cause and upset?

Bellaghy has gotten stronger as the groups went on, Lavey disappointing this year. Dungiven and magherafelt could be good

Glen v Lavey - Easy Glen win, 6/7 Points
Newbridge v Bellaghy - Bellaghy to surprise in this one
Slaughtneil v Ballinascreen - Big win for Slaughtneil
Magherafelt v Dungiven - Magherafelt but might be tighter than expected

Quote from: jb77 on October 03, 2024, 09:37:21 AMBellaghy has gotten stronger as the groups went on, Lavey disappointing this year. Dungiven and magherafelt could be good

Bellaghy won their first game, lost three including a big defeat to S'Neil and won the last, Lavey lost the first two by a point and won the last three, scored more and conceded less than Bellaghy in the group stage. So not sure this holds up.
In saying that Bellaghy probably a better chance of turning over Newbridge than Lavey have of getting past Glen. I'll go with the four obvious semi-finalists - Glen, S'Neil, Newbridge and M'Felt. With Dungiven the most likely to cause an upset, would expect this to be a tight low scoring match.

Another variable, the Glen group imo was a lot stronger than the other group. Loup, Screen and Steelestown near the bottom of the league, Lavey playing intermediate league football. We were bottom of the group, and would have really have fancied us to qualify  for the quarter finals if we were in the other group

Glen v Lavey - Glen by 3
Newbridge v Bellaghy - Newbridge by 4
Slaughtneil v Ballinascreen - Slaughtneil by 9
Magherafelt v Dungiven - Dungiven by 2

Lavey committing football terrorism honestly

Quote from: jb77 on October 05, 2024, 05:27:48 PMLavey committing football terrorism honestly

They'll have to play now. First 20 was brutal

Lavey 90% possession according to Odhran Bradley on twitter, surely not

Quote from: Brendan on October 05, 2024, 05:50:56 PMLavey 90% possession according to Odhran Bradley on twitter, surely not

Yep, but most of it around the midfield, passing sideways!

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Quote from: Brendan on October 05, 2024, 05:50:56 PMLavey 90% possession according to Odhran Bradley on twitter, surely not

Yep, but most of it around the midfield, passing sideways!

Lavey very unlucky Glen came strong at the end

Aye, great last 15 mins. Glen did miss a few but Lavey gave them their fill of it.

Bellaghy looking good that first half, especially Paul Cassidy. Connor Doc living on the edge! The Bridge going into a stiff breeze in the second.

Newbridge youngsters held it together fairly well, clear to see what a miss paudie mcgrogan is though

I 100% agree with Mal if Chicken had played an extra minute Bellaghy would have won that game. I think a draw was probably fair at that stage though but Newbridge just had too much pace in ET.

The Newbridge keeper would need to develop a lower trajectory kickout that was tough going for him against the breeze!!

Quote from: jb77 on October 05, 2024, 09:43:48 PMNewbridge youngsters held it together fairly well, clear to see what a miss paudie mcgrogan is though

Yep Paudie a huge loss and I think we had 8 under 21s starting tonight , I thought the black cards were going to be the losing of it tonight for us but thankfully not

Another exciting finish. Newbridge did well to hang on at the end of normal time but had too much in extra time for a Bellaghy team that was out on its feet. Paul and Declan Cassidy didn't feature as much in the second half or ET. Connor Doc was very solid throughout, apart from a stupid Black card, which could have cost them the game. Leaving out the first 20 mins of the first game, two good championship games.

Teams are gonna love it if Shane is playing the majority of the game behind the 45!!

Thought we battled well against a well fancied Sneil side. Same old story though we kicked too many wides up front and needed a bit more of a plan when we had the ball.

Jerome McGuigan probably the standout player and Rogers showed well at times but they won't be feared in the Semi final after that performance. They're through though and that's all that mattered today!

Next weekend - all Owenbeg
Sat
8.15 - Newbridge v Magherafelt SFC
Sunday
4.00 - Glen v Slaughtneil  SFC

According to Mal on twitter, Odhran Lynch and Clucky out long term for Magherafelt, we seen the dip from Magherafelt in the final last year when they lost lynch, could swing Newbridge to favourites to make the final?

Would most people in Derry not think that the 'final' is actually next Sunday in Owenbeg?

All the talk at ty game tonight was that RTE were going to be showing  the semi final on the Saturday , if that was the case then surely Glen and Slaughneil would be on then

Derry wanted that match for themselves Exile so Bridge Mfelt is on rte Sat nite 🤓

Quote from: LC on October 06, 2024, 09:10:17 PMWould most people in Derry not think that the 'final' is actually next Sunday in Owenbeg?

Not so sure that either Glen or Slaughtneil showed themselves as invincible. Lavey should have taken Glen and Slaughtneill didn't really put Screen away.

Quote from: screenexile on October 06, 2024, 06:44:34 PMTeams are gonna love it if Shane is playing the majority of the game behind the 45!!

Thought we battled well against a well fancied Sneil side. Same old story though we kicked too many wides up front and needed a bit more of a plan when we had the ball.

Jerome McGuigan probably the standout player and Rogers showed well at times but they won't be feared in the Semi final after that performance. They're through though and that's all that mattered today!

I was very impressed with Marty Bradley SE, it would be good to see him get more minutes in a Derry Jersey next year

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Quote from: screenexile on October 06, 2024, 06:44:34 PMTeams are gonna love it if Shane is playing the majority of the game behind the 45!!

Thought we battled well against a well fancied Sneil side. Same old story though we kicked too many wides up front and needed a bit more of a plan when we had the ball.

Jerome McGuigan probably the standout player and Rogers showed well at times but they won't be feared in the Semi final after that performance. They're through though and that's all that mattered today!

I was very impressed with Marty Bradley SE, it would be good to see him get more minutes in a Derry Jersey next year

Yeah I think he's a ready made replacement for Chrissy and a strong ball carrier hopefully whoever comes in gives him some game time!

Newbridge by 4

S'neil by 1

Faughanvale by 6

Ballinderry by 3

That's my predictions anyway

Magherafelt by 4

Slaughtneil by 4

Drumsurn by 1

Ballinderry by 5

Why would RTE want to show Magherafelt and Newbridge if Glen V slaughtneil was an option?

They show the Sat match Brendan, Derry board wanted to keep the bigger match for themselves to stream I believe, so put it on the Sunday

Think we could see the first penalties of the Derry championship, 2 tough games to call

Quote from: Brendan on October 10, 2024, 04:41:10 PMWhy would RTE want to show Magherafelt and Newbridge if Glen V slaughtneil was an option?

This game is on rte 2 directly after the Leinster v Munster sellout in Croke park.

In the circumstances I'd question the county board's judgement in choosing this game to put in that slot (I'd question rte's judgement on this too).
At least with glen v slaughtneil you'd have 2 teams with a nationwide profile, as is, I think we're setting ourselves up for some unfair comparisons.
Let's hope it's a cracker!

I wonder how much Derry County Board, or any county board, get from showing one of these games on RTÉ on a Saturdy evening?

I presume the rugby game before get more as it's higher profile? And does it go to the IRFU?

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Quote from: Brendan on October 10, 2024, 04:41:10 PMWhy would RTE want to show Magherafelt and Newbridge if Glen V slaughtneil was an option?

This game is on rte 2 directly after the Leinster v Munster sellout in Croke park.

In the circumstances I'd question the county board's judgement in choosing this game to put in that slot (I'd question rte's judgement on this too).
At least with glen v slaughtneil you'd have 2 teams with a nationwide profile, as is, I think we're setting ourselves up for some unfair comparisons.
Let's hope it's a cracker!

Won't be many watching by full time if it ends up like last years Semi final between the 2 teams  :(

Quote from: marty34 on October 12, 2024, 08:26:53 AMI wonder how much Derry County Board, or any county board, get from showing one of these games on RTÉ on a Saturdy evening?

I presume the rugby game before get more as it's higher profile? And does it go to the IRFU?
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Quote from: marty34 on October 12, 2024, 08:26:53 AMI wonder how much Derry County Board, or any county board, get from showing one of these games on RTÉ on a Saturdy evening?

I presume the rugby game before get more as it's higher profile? And does it go to the IRFU?

Cahair O'Kane had mentioned a figure of £10k  the country board get from RTE

Standing room only at Owenbeg 😳

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Quote from: Brendan on October 10, 2024, 04:41:10 PMWhy would RTE want to show Magherafelt and Newbridge if Glen V slaughtneil was an option?

This game is on rte 2 directly after the Leinster v Munster sellout in Croke park.

In the circumstances I'd question the county board's judgement in choosing this game to put in that slot (I'd question rte's judgement on this too).
At least with glen v slaughtneil you'd have 2 teams with a nationwide profile, as is, I think we're setting ourselves up for some unfair comparisons.
Let's hope it's a cracker!

Won't be many watching by full time if it ends up like last years Semi final between the 2 teams  :(

I might be done after 15 mins. Dire stuff altogether.

Marty struggling big time to make this sound entertaining, didnt they know what they were getting into?

There no forwards in the county, that's a hard watch after 20mins!

This is questionably the worst 20minutes of gaelic football I've ever watched. Gilligan sounds mortified. Rule changes can't come quick enough.

A bad goal and a point apiece between 2 of the so called better teams in the county after 25mins, Shocking stuff!

Quote from: RedHand88 on October 12, 2024, 08:39:06 PMThis is questionably the worst 20minutes of gaelic football I've ever watched. Gilligan sounds mortified. Rule changes can't come quick enough.

Like he said though these 2 are known for this rubbish so why did RTE choose to show it in the first place?

Quote from: RedHand88 on October 12, 2024, 08:39:06 PMThis is questionably the worst 20minutes of gaelic football I've ever watched. Gilligan sounds mortified. Rule changes can't come quick enough.

Have you just woken up from a 10 year coma?

The junior final today was a great watch, both teams kept 2 men up the field the entire game. Seriously competitive, hammer and tongs stuff. This stuff is the risk averse football that has the need for the FRC

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Quote from: RedHand88 on October 12, 2024, 08:39:06 PMThis is questionably the worst 20minutes of gaelic football I've ever watched. Gilligan sounds mortified. Rule changes can't come quick enough.

Like he said though these 2 are known for this rubbish so why did RTE choose to show it in the first place?

Because the Derry CB obviously wanted the Glen Slaughtneil game. Rte don't dictate to the CBs

Summed up by Herron being feard to shoot from 40m into an empty net, instead, gets turned over

15 men behind a ball in club fball a horrible watch.

Anyone surprised this isn't great doesn't watch much club football

I've watched both these sides this year play far better ball, but they're so afraid of losing they cant put themselves in position to win

Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on October 12, 2024, 08:52:32 PMAnyone surprised this isn't great doesn't watch much club football

Derry club game on national TV featuring not especially well known sides. Imagine that.

And suprise or not, it's still appalling, in both intent and execution. Some of the handling has been abominable.

Quote from: RedHand88 on October 12, 2024, 08:39:06 PMThis is questionably the worst 20minutes of gaelic football I've ever watched. Gilligan sounds mortified. Rule changes can't come quick enough.

I raise you Brigids v Cargin the other week!

Big mistake from whoever decided to put this game on TV. Neutrals would have still gone to Glen Slaughtneil if on RTE providing some atmosphere. And with both clubs having a profile beyond Derry even if it was rubbish would still have provided interest to viewers.
With respect to both clubs tonight very few going to choose a cold night in owenbeg to watch them. It has made Derry GAA look a bit small time.

Wtf is Gilligan talking about?

He says 'technically it's a free'.

He's said it twice.

If it's technically a free, it's a free.

And he's supposed to be a high level coach. FFS.

Quote from: GTP on October 12, 2024, 09:01:15 PMBig mistake from whoever decided to put this game on TV. Neutrals would have still gone to Glen Slaughtneil if on RTE providing some atmosphere. And with both clubs having a profile beyond Derry even if it was rubbish would still have provided interest to viewers.
With respect to both clubs tonight very few going to choose a cold night in owenbeg to watch them. It has made Derry GAA look a bit small time.

I'm not from Derry but I agree, also the Sky guide RTE said this was the Derry football final and I assumed it was Glen Slaughtneil until I tuned in.

No idea why RTE picked this, to be honest at this stage RTE and TG4 should be just showing county finals even if they're from smaller counties.

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Quote from: GTP on October 12, 2024, 09:01:15 PMBig mistake from whoever decided to put this game on TV. Neutrals would have still gone to Glen Slaughtneil if on RTE providing some atmosphere. And with both clubs having a profile beyond Derry even if it was rubbish would still have provided interest to viewers.
With respect to both clubs tonight very few going to choose a cold night in owenbeg to watch them. It has made Derry GAA look a bit small time.

I'm not from Derry but I agree, also the Sky guide RTE said this was the Derry football final and I assumed it was Glen Slaughtneil until I tuned in.

No idea why RTE picked this, to be honest at this stage RTE and TG4 should be just showing county finals even if they're from smaller counties.

No finals on a Saturday evening.

TG4 has that covered on a Sunday.

Awful viewing here. It'll be an also ran in the final regardless of who gets there

Thought the story was that Derry CB wanted to keep tomorrow's game for itself, no?

Quote from: gallsman on October 12, 2024, 09:20:47 PMThought the story was that Derry CB wanted to keep tomorrow's game for itself, no?

They made a very poor choice.

Wouldn't blame them if they don't bother showing extra time if it heads that way

Quote from: gallsman on October 12, 2024, 09:20:47 PMThought the story was that Derry CB wanted to keep tomorrow's game for itself, no?

In which case that was an awful decision. The other semi would have showcased club football and still generated a decent crowd. This game on a Sunday afternoon would have been better attended by locals with an interest if not on TV.
Chasing streams or a bit more revenue from spectators should not have been the primary consideration.
Extra time coming up maybe RTE will cut the program short.

They know how to play when there backs are up the wall but f**k all else

Terrible game & probably more of it tomorrow

Without knowing the CBs finances, if they feel they could make more off selling their own stream than whatever RTE would give them, then that's up to them. Gregory Campbell's not going to have been sitting at home watching RTE suddenly thinking the GAA is class.

Thank Christ Lynch with a, I'm sorry to say, typical Lynch play saved us from extra time. He did his absolute best to gift them another goal before the end too. End to end stuff there for the last 6 or 7 minutes of lads running the pitch at speed, absolutely terrified to shoot and eventually falling over and coughing it up.

Marty Morrissey sounded totally fed up and you couldn't blame him. At least it didn't go to extra time. Might have been the first time RTE might have just said we'll just knock it on the head and not show extra time. How in good God can anyone think that stuff is good to watch or play in.

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Quote from: gallsman on October 12, 2024, 09:20:47 PMThought the story was that Derry CB wanted to keep tomorrow's game for itself, no?

In which case that was an awful decision. The other semi would have showcased club football and still generated a decent crowd. This game on a Sunday afternoon would have been better attended by locals with an interest if not on TV.
Chasing streams or a bit more revenue from spectators should not have been the primary consideration.
Extra time coming up maybe RTE will cut the program short.

'bit more'... Indeed

No their primary concern should have been you getting to watch the Glen Slaughtneil game for free, not doing what's best for the county setup

I have paid my 12 pounds for the second semi final, IMO putting the second choice of 2 games on national TV was not the best choice.

I agree not the best advert but tbh in 3 months time who will give a shiny shite. Certainly not Newbridge. Football in general is couped. Be plenty more dirge before the club season is finished

Newbridge is quite a large area. The 8th largest townland in the county judging by this link.
That also doesn't include the other townland Derrygarve which is part of that club too. That club also included Ballymaguigan before 1944.

https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/loughinsholin/artrea/the-creagh/

Third most successful club in Derry. Going by Wiki. Yes I was bored today 😆

Quote from: Norm-Peterson on October 13, 2024, 12:18:03 AMNewbridge is quite a large area. The 8th largest townland in the county judging by this link.
That also doesn't include the other townland Derrygarve which is part of that club too. That club also included Ballymaguigan before 1944.

https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/loughinsholin/artrea/the-creagh/

Fair play ,I haven't laughed as much in a long time "Newbridge is quite a large area"

Quote from: Red10 on October 12, 2024, 09:55:57 PMMarty Morrissey sounded totally fed up and you couldn't blame him. At least it didn't go to extra time. Might have been the first time RTE might have just said we'll just knock it on the head and not show extra time. How in good God can anyone think that stuff is good to watch or play in.

I read earlier in the week the County Board were getting £10k from RTE for this match, talk about wiping someone's eye.

A great week-end for general south Derry area in terms of teams once again.

Add into that Cargin and Portglenone in the senior Antrim Final, football is thriving and flourishing in the general area.

Clubs putting in the work.

Quote from: marty34 on October 13, 2024, 08:56:41 AMA great week-end for general south Derry area in terms of teams once again.

Add into that Cargin and Portglenone in the senior Antrim Final, football is thriving and flourishing in the general area.

Clubs putting in the work.

All clubs put in serious work, not all areas have schools like St Pats / St Mary's though

Big shift from Glen in the second half. Slaughtneils main men didn't perform today.

Intermediate game very enjoyable
27 scores, 25 from play I'm guessing. Some of them top drawer.
Banagher no.11 hit some great ones in first half.
ODonnell great player.

2 Points.

Where the f**k was that keeper goin at that stage?

Is it a poor reflection of the Derry supporter to be leaving with 5 mins left and there team only down by 3?

Quote from: WT4E on October 13, 2024, 11:37:42 PM2 Points.

Where the f**k was that keeper goin at that stage?

Is it a poor reflection of the Derry supporter to be leaving with 5 mins left and there team only down by 3?

Derry weren't playing yesterday.
And there was two matches in Owenbeg on Sunday afternoon. I'd say the majority of those leaving were the Ballinderry or Banagher fans gettin a jump on the traffic.

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Quote from: WT4E on October 13, 2024, 11:37:42 PM2 Points.

Where the f**k was that keeper goin at that stage?

Is it a poor reflection of the Derry supporter to be leaving with 5 mins left and there team only down by 3?

Derry weren't playing yesterday.
And there was two matches in Owenbeg on Sunday afternoon. I'd say the majority of those leaving were the Ballinderry or Banagher fans gettin a jump on the traffic.

Hmmmmm where the vast majority of the supporters not Derry people? Commentators seemed to be reacting to the fact that people leaving was a bad thing, maybe its not and other counties who want to see the conclusion of a match that is in the mettling pot are wrong. Strange bunch!

Quote from: WT4E on October 14, 2024, 10:00:12 AMHmmmmm where the vast majority of the supporters not Derry people? Commentators seemed to be reacting to the fact that people leaving was a bad thing, maybe its not and other counties who want to see the conclusion of a match that is in the mettling pot are wrong. Strange bunch!

The commentator didn't say how many people were leaving and nor did he specify they were from Derry. Anyone in for the first game would have been in Owenbeg for at least 3 hours and as said above probably wanted to miss the traffic. Fans leave matches early all the time at club games, county games and in other sports, it is their choice. To try to make it out to be a poor reflection on Derry supporters seems a little petty.

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Quote from: WT4E on October 14, 2024, 10:00:12 AMHmmmmm where the vast majority of the supporters not Derry people? Commentators seemed to be reacting to the fact that people leaving was a bad thing, maybe its not and other counties who want to see the conclusion of a match that is in the mettling pot are wrong. Strange bunch!

The commentator didn't say how many people were leaving and nor did he specify they were from Derry. Anyone in for the first game would have been in Owenbeg for at least 3 hours and as said above probably wanted to miss the traffic. Fans leave matches early all the time at club games, county games and in other sports, it is their choice. To try to make it out to be a poor reflection on Derry supporters seems a little petty.

Commentator made it sound like a big thing... ah well.

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Quote from: WT4E on October 13, 2024, 11:37:42 PM2 Points.

Where the f**k was that keeper goin at that stage?

Is it a poor reflection of the Derry supporter to be leaving with 5 mins left and there team only down by 3?

Derry weren't playing yesterday.
And there was two matches in Owenbeg on Sunday afternoon. I'd say the majority of those leaving were the Ballinderry or Banagher fans gettin a jump on the traffic.

Hmmmmm where the vast majority of the supporters not Derry people? Commentators seemed to be reacting to the fact that people leaving was a bad thing, maybe its not and other counties who want to see the conclusion of a match that is in the mettling pot are wrong. Strange bunch!

As strange as a Tyrone man trying to score a 'fans' victory in the Derry thread...? Now that is strange behaviour.
People left when the Glen goal went in leaving 5 points between the teams with a few minutes to play. Slaughtneil would have had to score the same amount of points that they had in the last few minutes as they had the 57 mins up to that point, against the wind...

Probably all Ballinderry men anyway lol.

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Quote from: WT4E on October 13, 2024, 11:37:42 PM2 Points.

Where the f**k was that keeper goin at that stage?

Is it a poor reflection of the Derry supporter to be leaving with 5 mins left and there team only down by 3?

Derry weren't playing yesterday.
And there was two matches in Owenbeg on Sunday afternoon. I'd say the majority of those leaving were the Ballinderry or Banagher fans gettin a jump on the traffic.

Hmmmmm where the vast majority of the supporters not Derry people? Commentators seemed to be reacting to the fact that people leaving was a bad thing, maybe its not and other counties who want to see the conclusion of a match that is in the mettling pot are wrong. Strange bunch!

As strange as a Tyrone man trying to score a 'fans' victory in the Derry thread...? Now that is strange behaviour.
People left when the Glen goal went in leaving 5 points between the teams with a few minutes to play. Slaughtneil would have had to score the same amount of points that they had in the last few minutes as they had the 57 mins up to that point, against the wind...

The score was 9-8 when the goal went in

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Quote from: WT4E on October 13, 2024, 11:37:42 PM2 Points.

Where the f**k was that keeper goin at that stage?

Is it a poor reflection of the Derry supporter to be leaving with 5 mins left and there team only down by 3?

Derry weren't playing yesterday.
And there was two matches in Owenbeg on Sunday afternoon. I'd say the majority of those leaving were the Ballinderry or Banagher fans gettin a jump on the traffic.

Hmmmmm where the vast majority of the supporters not Derry people? Commentators seemed to be reacting to the fact that people leaving was a bad thing, maybe its not and other counties who want to see the conclusion of a match that is in the mettling pot are wrong. Strange bunch!

As strange as a Tyrone man trying to score a 'fans' victory in the Derry thread...? Now that is strange behaviour.
People left when the Glen goal went in leaving 5 points between the teams with a few minutes to play. Slaughtneil would have had to score the same amount of points that they had in the last few minutes as they had the 57 mins up to that point, against the wind...

The score was 9-8 when the goal went in

On tv it looked like there was a foul on the slaughtneil defender as he went to receive the pass from the goalie but barry cassidy didn't blow it.

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Where the f**k was that keeper goin at that stage?

Is it a poor reflection of the Derry supporter to be leaving with 5 mins left and there team only down by 3?

Derry weren't playing yesterday.
And there was two matches in Owenbeg on Sunday afternoon. I'd say the majority of those leaving were the Ballinderry or Banagher fans gettin a jump on the traffic.

Hmmmmm where the vast majority of the supporters not Derry people? Commentators seemed to be reacting to the fact that people leaving was a bad thing, maybe its not and other counties who want to see the conclusion of a match that is in the mettling pot are wrong. Strange bunch!

As strange as a Tyrone man trying to score a 'fans' victory in the Derry thread...? Now that is strange behaviour.
People left when the Glen goal went in leaving 5 points between the teams with a few minutes to play. Slaughtneil would have had to score the same amount of points that they had in the last few minutes as they had the 57 mins up to that point, against the wind...

The score was 9-8 when the goal went in

Mushrooms not a good idea yeaterday, knew it at the time

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Where the f**k was that keeper goin at that stage?

Is it a poor reflection of the Derry supporter to be leaving with 5 mins left and there team only down by 3?

Derry weren't playing yesterday.
And there was two matches in Owenbeg on Sunday afternoon. I'd say the majority of those leaving were the Ballinderry or Banagher fans gettin a jump on the traffic.

Hmmmmm where the vast majority of the supporters not Derry people? Commentators seemed to be reacting to the fact that people leaving was a bad thing, maybe its not and other counties who want to see the conclusion of a match that is in the mettling pot are wrong. Strange bunch!

As strange as a Tyrone man trying to score a 'fans' victory in the Derry thread...? Now that is strange behaviour.
People left when the Glen goal went in leaving 5 points between the teams with a few minutes to play. Slaughtneil would have had to score the same amount of points that they had in the last few minutes as they had the 57 mins up to that point, against the wind...

The score was 9-8 when the goal went in

On tv it looked like there was a foul on the slaughtneil defender as he went to receive the pass from the goalie but barry cassidy didn't blow it.

It was close to us, didn't see a foul tbh, just a 50/50 pass from the keeper

It wasn't a foul, it was a poor pass from the goalkeeper. Glen proved their worth in 2nd half without breaking much sweat. Slaughtneil very poor, the score line flattered them.

Newbridge any chance?

What has Mark Doran achieved at Slaughtneil to earn a shot at the county gig?

In the wise words of Jog2, who would you have then?

Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on October 16, 2024, 11:44:22 AMIn the wise words of Jog2, who would you have then?

 ;D Solutions not problems!

From Cahair O Kane today on twitter


Today marks 100 days since Mickey Harte stepped down as Derry manager.

Karl Lacey has dismissed speculation linking him to the gig.

Derry have ruled Rory Gallagher out.

Mark Doran appears to be the only candidate barring another late, left-field move like last year.

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Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on October 16, 2024, 11:44:22 AMIn the wise words of Jog2, who would you have then?

 ;D Solutions not problems!

*Doffs cap and shakes hand*

Quote from: oakleaf93 on October 16, 2024, 10:29:26 AMWhat has Mark Doran achieved at Slaughtneil to earn a shot at the county gig?

Slaughtneil lads would be happy to see him go I'm sure. Brought nothing fresh to the table besides playing a goalkeeper outfield which in the end beat them.

Surely Derry just go and get Gallagher and take it on the chin.

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Quote from: oakleaf93 on October 16, 2024, 10:29:26 AMWhat has Mark Doran achieved at Slaughtneil to earn a shot at the county gig?

Slaughtneil lads would be happy to see him go I'm sure. Brought nothing fresh to the table besides playing a goalkeeper outfield which in the end beat them.

Surely Derry just go and get Gallagher and take it on the chin.

At this stage hopefully

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Quote from: oakleaf93 on October 16, 2024, 10:29:26 AMWhat has Mark Doran achieved at Slaughtneil to earn a shot at the county gig?

Slaughtneil lads would be happy to see him go I'm sure. Brought nothing fresh to the table besides playing a goalkeeper outfield which in the end beat them.

Surely Derry just go and get Gallagher and take it on the chin.

At this stage hopefully

I believe there are still people on the county board pushing for Gallagher.

It would be extremely difficult for DCB to roll back on a public statement saying that Gallagher was out of the picture. From what I can gather, the majority of club nominations were for RG, so at the time they should have taken the decision to go for him as it had the backing of clubs and players.

At this stage would RG come back given the number of people that have been supposedly approached?

I don't necessarily feel its a major problem yet that a manager is not in place, especially if it is to be someone like Doran who will know the clubs and players anyway. In saying that, with Slaughtneil now out of the championship and Doran is lined up you'd expect an announcement fairly quickly.

If Derry want to challenge the top teams they have to go for RG. Any other appointment will see Derry slip away from the top teams. It's a horrible decision because there's gonna be some heat if they go for RG.

Gallagher should be given the job again the majority clubs voted for him,we will drop like a stone if it's anyone else,coacheslike wicklows  no 2 won't cut it I'm afraid,take the heat move on

Should Went with him at the start and took the heat.

Should Went with him at the start and took the heat
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Appoint RG and watch Derry GAA divide like never before. Some things are more important than winning a few matches lads.

How,I remember going to games in Division 3/4 with very little at them.If its like that with Gallagher there, sure be no different than a few yrs ago before we picked up the bandwagoners.

Not Doran either, he's off to Roscommon. At this stage who is left? Talk about scraping the barrel Derry.

Quote from: ck on October 17, 2024, 09:38:10 PMAppoint RG and watch Derry GAA divide like never before. Some things are more important than winning a few matches lads.

In what way will id divide Derry GAA if majority of clubs voted for him?
Genuine question. I have an opinion on it and appreciate others have different opinions, but I wouldn't see a huge split in Derry GAA with most clubs nominating him.

*EDIT - for what it's worth, I can't see Derry back tracking anyway - but I do think they should have appointed him immediately after Harte's departure and club nominations.

Big difference between Derry clubs (committees) Brick and Derry fans

Doran gone, and Lacey said he hasn't communicated with Derry.

Who does if leave? it's either going to be a shambles appointment or RG.

I know for a fact there are still people on the CB pushing for Gallagher and unhappy with Keenan for 'jumping the gun' with his statement saying Gallagher won't be the next manager.

I wouldn't be fussed on the idea of Gallagher at all. But I'm struggling to see an alternative. Also, at county level a backroom team is pivotal, there's barely a manager left, never mind a top coach along with a manager.

Could do worse than Mickey Graham; but wouldn't be a good look.

Quote from: toby47 on October 18, 2024, 10:26:07 AMDoran gone, and Lacey said he hasn't communicated with Derry.

Who does if leave? it's either going to be a shambles appointment or RG.

I know for a fact there are still people on the CB pushing for Gallagher and unhappy with Keenan for 'jumping the gun' with his statement saying Gallagher won't be the next manager.

I wouldn't be fussed on the idea of Gallagher at all. But I'm struggling to see an alternative. Also, at county level a backroom team is pivotal, there's barely a manager left, never mind a top coach along with a manager.

Is this definite?
Haven't heard it anywhere. He could have done a job with Derry if he had a decent backroom.

Mal and Roscommon Gaa both posted Brick

Not the white smoke we hoped for at Owenbeg today.......

Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on October 18, 2024, 10:23:04 AMBig difference between Derry clubs (committees) Brick and Derry fans

There shouldn't be. Committees are made up of club members / derry fans and should be representative of their club membership.
If that isn't the case, what's the point in ever going to clubs for nominations or opinions on anything?
We have to take their say as correct otherwise we have to stop asking them.

Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on October 18, 2024, 10:31:46 AMMal and Roscommon Gaa both posted Brick

Cheers.
Disappointing, but maybe that means he was never in the running.

Quote from: toby47 on October 18, 2024, 10:37:05 AMNot the white smoke we hoped for at Owenbeg today.......

Fire? Got a picture earlier. Hope not too bad

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Quote from: oakleaf93 on October 16, 2024, 10:29:26 AMWhat has Mark Doran achieved at Slaughtneil to earn a shot at the county gig?

Slaughtneil lads would be happy to see him go I'm sure. Brought nothing fresh to the table besides playing a goalkeeper outfield which in the end beat them.

Surely Derry just go and get Gallagher and take it on the chin.

Think that was the issue in the first instance

I don't envy the position the wider Derry Executive committee find themselves in, albeit, that its primarily of their own making. From a strictly footballing perspective, it looks like a no brainer to reappoint RG and it would appear that a majority of players would endorse his return. And it very much looked like Derry were leaning that way when we had the choreographed statement from his solicitor, claiming that he had no case to answer and the way was clear for RG to re-enter county management. That would appear to have been scuppered by the subsequent statement from our Chairman, closing the door on any possible return. There is now some dispute as to how united a statement that was but if Derry do go ahead and appoint RG, then you would think the natural step for our Chairman, would be to distance himself from than decision and resign.
It's definitely not straight forward either way. Appoint him and take the flac and split the county, or, appoint a journeyman or 6th choice candidate and risk returning to mediocrity. Players have very short careers and opportunities to really achieve something. Naturally, they will have tunnel vision on this. The county board have a wider responsibility to the Gaels of Derry and the reputation of Brand Derry.
As I said, I don't envy them.

Quote from: Silver hill on October 18, 2024, 02:35:27 PMI don't envy the position the wider Derry Executive committee find themselves in, albeit, that its primarily of their own making. From a strictly footballing perspective, it looks like a no brainer to reappoint RG and it would appear that a majority of players would endorse his return. And it very much looked like Derry were leaning that way when we had the choreographed statement from his solicitor, claiming that he had no case to answer and the way was clear for RG to re-enter county management. That would appear to have been scuppered by the subsequent statement from our Chairman, closing the door on any possible return. There is now some dispute as to how united a statement that was but if Derry do go ahead and appoint RG, then you would think the natural step for our Chairman, would be to distance himself from than decision and resign.
It's definitely not straight forward either way. Appoint him and take the flac and split the county, or, appoint a journeyman or 6th choice candidate and risk returning to mediocrity. Players have very short careers and opportunities to really achieve something. Naturally, they will have tunnel vision on this. The county board have a wider responsibility to the Gaels of Derry and the reputation of Brand Derry.
As I said, I don't envy them.

Good post Silver Hill

I think when a certain club team is put out, things become clear.

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Quote from: toby47 on October 18, 2024, 10:37:05 AMNot the white smoke we hoped for at Owenbeg today.......

Fire? Got a picture earlier. Hope not too bad

Was a neighbouring field not actually in Owenbeg grounds

Senior Predictions?

Sean O'Leary GAC Newbridge --- v --- Glen - Glen by 4 in 2nd gear

Bellaghy Reserves --- v --- Slaughtneil Reserves - Slaughtneil by 1

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Quote from: bannside on August 19, 2024, 03:48:49 PMI think Newbridge could cause a few surprises before it's over. And I simply cannot believe how far Ballinderry & Loup have fallen. Though the pedigree will allow them to regroup, but still, who would have seen it?

What would be a shock? They're the 4th best team in the county & they won't beat any of the top 3.

Well that didn't age well Derryman, did it?

Well done to Kevin Brady, one of the games proper gentlemen and to Newbridge, enjoy your night.

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Quote from: bannside on August 19, 2024, 03:48:49 PMI think Newbridge could cause a few surprises before it's over. And I simply cannot believe how far Ballinderry & Loup have fallen. Though the pedigree will allow them to regroup, but still, who would have seen it?

What would be a shock? They're the 4th best team in the county & they won't beat any of the top 3.

Well that didn't age well Derryman, did it?

Well done to Kevin Brady, one of the games proper gentlemen and to Newbridge, enjoy your night.

Back of the net bannside! And to do it without McGrogan, serious achievement, the Monday club will be some steam

Indeed JoG. We (Portglenone) played mist of the teams that got to the latter stages of the Derry championship, in challenges, and tbh Newbridge really caught my eye, even without their two top county players.

Was one of 6 here at the start of this poll. Not surprised in the least by that result.

Quote from: bannside on October 28, 2024, 12:55:19 PMIndeed JoG. We (Portglenone) played mist of the teams that got to the latter stages of the Derry championship, in challenges, and tbh Newbridge really caught my eye, even without their two top county players.

Was one of 6 here at the start of this poll. Not surprised in the least by that result.

You must have given the bookies some bashing with that confidence.

The result was definitely a surprise!

Fully deserved though but for the All Ireland Champions to be dumped out having walked Derry the past few years is certainly a shock.

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Quote from: bannside on August 19, 2024, 03:48:49 PMI think Newbridge could cause a few surprises before it's over. And I simply cannot believe how far Ballinderry & Loup have fallen. Though the pedigree will allow them to regroup, but still, who would have seen it?

What would be a shock? They're the 4th best team in the county & they won't beat any of the top 3.

Well that didn't age well Derryman, did it?

Well done to Kevin Brady, one of the games proper gentlemen and to Newbridge, enjoy your night.

You finally got one right after all these years on the Board. You have been predicting Cargins demise the past 6/7 yrs, that Antrim have the players and should be doing better, that this was Casements yr-every year  ;D If you keep trying the law of averages says you'll get one right lol  ;)  ;D

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Quote from: Derry Man on August 19, 2024, 06:02:33 PM

Quote from: bannside on August 19, 2024, 03:48:49 PMI think Newbridge could cause a few surprises before it's over. And I simply cannot believe how far Ballinderry & Loup have fallen. Though the pedigree will allow them to regroup, but still, who would have seen it?

What would be a shock? They're the 4th best team in the county & they won't beat any of the top 3.

Well that didn't age well Derryman, did it?

Well done to Kevin Brady, one of the games proper gentlemen and to Newbridge, enjoy your night.

Fair play to them. Glen well off it yesterday & all year but Newbridge won't be too bothered, hopefully they give a good account of themselves in Ulster