With two teams remaining we can have a look at the certs and the non-runners.
Quarter-Finalists
Derry, Roscommon, Dublin and Louth will get a handful of nominations, but I can't see anyone from those counties getting an All-Star.. Maybe one for Mulroy at a push.
Semi-Finalists
Kerry will also struggle to pick up the individual awards. O'Beaglaioch, O'Sullivan and P Clifford are probably the best placed to do so, just about. But no other stand out performers this year.
Donegal have a few that are thereabouts- Gallen, Mogan, McHugh and Langan maybe played himself into one yesterday.
Finalists
For Galway the like of Finnerty, Maher, Conroy, Silke and McHugh are probably out in front.
For Armagh Hughes, McCambridge, Grimley, O'Neill, Grugan and Turbitt with Conaty picking up the YPOTY.
The final will ultimately decide the outcomes for a few of those players.
Edit to correct the year...
Mad to think Niall Grimleys first game all year was in Derry and he's getting all star shouts. Brilliant.
Think Blaine is nailed on as is Turbo and McCambridge. If Rian puts in another Croker performance he coule get POTY.
Would think McCole for Donegal would be in with a very good shout, not McHugh tough. Silke for Galway and Dylan McHugh gotta be certs. McCambridge for Armagh a definite. I know they weren't involved in the latter stages but Niall Morgan head and shoulders the standout for No. 1, all others have made mistakes along the way
Quote from: PMG1 on July 15, 2024, 11:04:53 AMWould think McCole for Donegal would be in with a very good shout, not McHugh tough. Silke for Galway and Dylan McHugh gotta be certs. McCambridge for Armagh a definite. I know they weren't involved in the latter stages but Niall Morgan head and shoulders the standout for No. 1, all others have made mistakes along the way
I would agree with Morgan.
But i suspect he will be overlooked
This is 2024
Sam Mulroy probably the only Leinster player to get one.
The other 14 between the 4 Semi Finalists.
For us Brian Stack will get a nomination
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 15, 2024, 11:17:42 AMQuote from: PMG1 on July 15, 2024, 11:04:53 AMWould think McCole for Donegal would be in with a very good shout, not McHugh tough. Silke for Galway and Dylan McHugh gotta be certs. McCambridge for Armagh a definite. I know they weren't involved in the latter stages but Niall Morgan head and shoulders the standout for No. 1, all others have made mistakes along the way
I would agree with Morgan.
But i suspect he will be overlooked
Morgan has been the best keeper in Ireland this year by a fair stretch imo but unfortunately the way all stars work he won't get one.
If Walsh has another final like he did 2 years ago he could well get player of the year but Dylan McHugh has been superb this year for Galway. A bit of an old school half back that can defend and attack.
For Donegal, I think nominations for Mogan, McCole, Gallen, Langan, McHugh and maybe one of the St Eunans contingent (O'Donnell brothers, Moore and Patton). Jason McGee was looking likely earlier, but his injury might have knocked him out of the running.
Awards all depends on what's left after Armagh and Galway are awarded their allocations. Mogan and McCole and possibly Gallen most likely I'd say. Especially as Kerry may not feature too heavily given their relatively disappointing year.
It would be some year for the St Nauls club if both McCole and Mogan got it. Before they came along, the club had never even had a consistent starting player at county senior level in the time since Donegal started winning Ulsters.
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 15, 2024, 11:17:42 AMQuote from: PMG1 on July 15, 2024, 11:04:53 AMWould think McCole for Donegal would be in with a very good shout, not McHugh tough. Silke for Galway and Dylan McHugh gotta be certs. McCambridge for Armagh a definite. I know they weren't involved in the latter stages but Niall Morgan head and shoulders the standout for No. 1, all others have made mistakes along the way
I would agree with Morgan.
But i suspect he will be overlooked
Blaine Hughes has been super for us imo.
Canavan will get nominated will he?
Quote from: Estimator on July 15, 2024, 10:41:08 AMWith two teams remaining we can have a look at the certs and the non-runners.
Quarter-Finalists
Derry, Roscommon, Dublin and Louth will get a handful of nominations, but I can't see anyone from those counties getting an All-Star.. Maybe one for Mulroy at a push.
Semi-Finalists
Kerry will also struggle to pick up the individual awards. O'Beaglaioch, O'Sullivan and P Clifford are probably the best placed to do so, just about. But no other stand out performers this year.
Donegal have a few that are thereabouts- Gallen, Mogan, McHugh and Langan maybe played himself into one yesterday.
Finalists
For Galway the like of Finnerty, Maher, Conroy, Silke and McHugh are probably out in front.
For Armagh Hughes, McCambridge, Grimley, O'Neill, Grugan and Turbitt with Conaty picking up the YPOTY.
The final will ultimately decide the outcomes for a few of those players.
Louth reaching a first ever Quarter final and competitive in every game I'll be surprised if they don't win at least one All Star. Mulroy or Lennon best placed to win one.
One Galway player you left out is Johnny McGrath. Good final for McDaid will likely win him one also. One for Armagh not named Aidan Forker, seasoned campaigner and has led by example.
Morgan really deserves one. Has been head and shoulders above the 8 keepers in the qfs in kick outs and outfield play.
Surely the GAA won't find a way to give Clifford one?
Who are we thinking for footballer of the year? From an Armagh pov Turbo and McCambridge have been unreal, a big final from Rian would have him in contention too.
Conaty could be in with a shout of young player of the year although he hadn't his best day on Saturday.
There will be 1 Dublin for winning Leinster, 1 Kerry for winning Munster, 1 Donegal for reaching Semi, 11 AI Finalists with probably Mulroy being this year's Enda Smith type outlier.
Quote from: trileacman on July 15, 2024, 01:40:18 PMMorgan really deserves one. Has been head and shoulders above the 8 keepers in the qfs in kick outs and outfield play.
Certainly in out field play but in terms of kick outs, Hughes accuracy and nous has been instrumental for Armagh. Don't see Morgan ahead on this metric
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 15, 2024, 01:50:14 PMSurely the GAA won't find a way to give Clifford one?
Who are we thinking for footballer of the year? From an Armagh pov Turbo and McCambridge have been unreal, a big final from Rian would have him in contention too.
Conaty could be in with a shout of young player of the year although he hadn't his best day on Saturday.
A good player having a great season but I thought he had a nightmare on Saturday. Clifford did not do enough to justify an all star, never thought I would be saying that in the 2020's
Quote from: ClubScene13 on July 15, 2024, 08:22:37 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 15, 2024, 01:50:14 PMSurely the GAA won't find a way to give Clifford one?
Who are we thinking for footballer of the year? From an Armagh pov Turbo and McCambridge have been unreal, a big final from Rian would have him in contention too.
Conaty could be in with a shout of young player of the year although he hadn't his best day on Saturday.
A good player having a great season but I thought he had a nightmare on Saturday. Clifford did not do enough to justify an all star, never thought I would be saying that in the 2020's
Yeah watched it back there earlier and he put a huge shift in but just one of them days where everything he touched went wrong.
I wonder is there a possibility the likes of Duffy or Jarly Og come in for him the next day for a bit of size against that Galway team. He'd be some man to bring off the bench.
Any chance Soupy Campbell gets nominated off the bench he's hit some vital scores the last few games
I'm probably biased but Darragh Canavan has been as good a forward as there has been this year. I know he won't get one as your team has to reach a semi final minimum but think he should be in the conversation.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 15, 2024, 08:39:53 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on July 15, 2024, 08:22:37 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 15, 2024, 01:50:14 PMSurely the GAA won't find a way to give Clifford one?
Who are we thinking for footballer of the year? From an Armagh pov Turbo and McCambridge have been unreal, a big final from Rian would have him in contention too.
Conaty could be in with a shout of young player of the year although he hadn't his best day on Saturday.
A good player having a great season but I thought he had a nightmare on Saturday. Clifford did not do enough to justify an all star, never thought I would be saying that in the 2020's
Yeah watched it back there earlier and he put a huge shift in but just one of them days where everything he touched went wrong.
I wonder is there a possibility the likes of Duffy or Jarly Og come in for him the next day for a bit of size against that Galway team. He'd be some man to bring off the bench.
Any chance Soupy Campbell gets nominated off the bench he's hit some vital scores the last few games
Cathal McShane got a nomination in 2021 having been a sub.
Niall Morgan isn't getting an All Star lads. He's from Tyrone, not Wexford. He's not going to get a pat on the back for being a shining star from a weak county.
McCambridge, McKay and Turbitt the most likely from Armagh at the minute; all 3 would likely get a gong with an average AI final. Blaine just needs an error free 70 mins to pick up one too. Wouldn't be so sure about O'Neill or Grugan just yet. Both have had big games but both have had poor games too. So has Con O'Callaghan and I can't see him getting one ahead of those.
Peader Mogan is an absolute cert. Sam Mulroy is as good as a cert too.
Galway are an awkward one to predict. I expect Conroy and McHugh are on the boat already, but there's up to 10 of them just 1 good 70 mins away.
Watched the game back there and McElroy and Grimley were excellent I thought although McElroy is one of those lads that doesn't get the credit he deserves. Grimley, Rian, Grugan, Forker all in the running and big finals would get one.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 15, 2024, 09:04:18 PMNiall Morgan isn't getting an All Star lads. He's from Tyrone, not Wexford. He's not going to get a pat on the back for being a shining star from a weak county.
McCambridge, McKay and Turbitt the most likely from Armagh at the minute; all 3 would likely get a gong with an average AI final. Blaine just needs an error free 70 mins to pick up one too. Wouldn't be so sure about O'Neill or Grugan just yet. Both have had big games but both have had poor games too. So has Con O'Callaghan and I can't see him getting one ahead of those.
Peader Mogan is an absolute cert. Sam Mulroy is as good as a cert too.
Galway are an awkward one to predict. I expect Conroy and McHugh are on the boat already, but there's up to 10 of them just 1 good 70 mins away.
By a country mile the best keeper in the game.
The performances of Blaine Hughes and Conor Gleeson went a long way towards Galway and Armagh winning at the weekend and if both have a solid All Ireland final performance it will be a toss of coin to see which one of those two will win the All Star goal keeper award this year.
Last year.
9 All stars to the 2 finalists, 5 for the Dubs 4 for Kerry.
5 more split between the 2 beaten semi finalists.
A single All star to one of the 4 beaten quarter finalists.
Would expect a similar split thos year.
We were only last 12 last year
You would wonder would David Clifford get one? Paudie probably more deserving. I don't think he merits one but gleeson has seriously improved this last year - he was a major weak link for Galway and you had to wonder why Joyce stuck with him but he has fairly turned it round. Hughes is good and I think one of the big reasons for Armagh's significant improvement but Morgan is the best in the business at the minute.
For us - McGrath and McHugh are nailed on. For the rest - the final will dictate a lot.
For Armagh Turbitt looks to have one in the bag already also. He should get one even if were to have a poor final he's been exceptional
Quote from: galwayman on July 16, 2024, 08:23:19 AMFor us - McGrath and McHugh are nailed on. For the rest - the final will dictate a lot.
For Armagh Turbitt looks to have one in the bag already also. He should get one even if were to have a poor final he's been exceptional
McHugh 4/5 to win Player of the year with PP.
When I saw Galway get roasted by Mayo in the 2nd half 3 years ago I didn't think McHugh was good enough, his improvement has been nothing short of phenomenal.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 16, 2024, 07:56:10 AMYou would wonder would David Clifford get one? Paudie probably more deserving. I don't think he merits one but gleeson has seriously improved this last year - he was a major weak link for Galway and you had to wonder why Joyce stuck with him but he has fairly turned it round. Hughes is good and I think one of the big reasons for Armagh's significant improvement but Morgan is the best in the business at the minute.
Absolutely not, might be nominated
Its a funny year for forwards with only Turbit from the 2 finalists nailed on too win an All Star.
Kerry had a soft run to the semi final, they've won enough all stars in recent years.
Has Gallen done enough to get one? Don't think any of the other Donegal forwards have done enough but they may push Mogan into the forwards as there's a lot of competition in the back. A lot will depend on the final
Sam Mulroy could well end up with one but as ever a lot will depend on the final, Tom O'Sullivan was in player of the year category before the 2022 final and didn't even get an All Star which was harsh as all of Shane Walsh's score were ridiculous.
Quote from: galwayman on July 16, 2024, 08:23:19 AMFor us - McGrath and McHugh are nailed on. For the rest - the final will dictate a lot.
For Armagh Turbitt looks to have one in the bag already also. He should get one even if were to have a poor final he's been exceptional
Paul Conroy would be another nailed on player for Galway, at 35 he's having his best year in the Galway jersey 2-13 scored from midfield only Shane Walsh and Rob Finnerty has scored more
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 16, 2024, 03:56:42 PMQuote from: galwayman on July 16, 2024, 08:23:19 AMFor us - McGrath and McHugh are nailed on. For the rest - the final will dictate a lot.
For Armagh Turbitt looks to have one in the bag already also. He should get one even if were to have a poor final he's been exceptional
Paul Conroy would be another nailed on player for Galway, at 35 he's having his best year in the Galway jersey 2-13 scored from midfield only Shane Walsh and Rob Finnerty has scored more
Langan is in with a shout from Donegal and for me if Grimley had a big final he could get one in midfield as well.
Interesting to see the pre-final All-Star selection in yesterday's match day programme:
Niall Morgan
Johnny McGrath
Brendan McCole
Tom O'Sullivan
Dylan McHugh
Barry Mc Cambridge
Peadar Mogan
Paul Conroy
Niall Grimley
Robert Finnerty
Rian O'Neill
Conor Turbitt
Shane McGuigan
Oisin Gallen
Darragh Canavan
Four Armagh
Four Galway
Three Donegal
Two Tyrone
One Derry
One Kerry
Compare that with the Sunday game team:
Blaine Hughes
Johnny McGrath
Aaron McKay
Barry McCambridge
Dylan McHugh
Aidan Forker
Peadar Mogan
Paul Conroy
Ben Crealey
John Maher
Rian O'Neill
Oisin Conaty
Robert Finnerty
Oisin Gallen
Conor Turbitt
8 Armagh
5 Galway
2 Donegal
9 players on both selections.
Quote from: Estimator on July 29, 2024, 10:46:19 AMInteresting to see the pre-final All-Star selection in yesterday's match day programme:
Niall Morgan
Johnny McGrath
Brendan McCole
Tom O'Sullivan
Dylan McHugh
Barry Mc Cambridge
Peadar Mogan
Paul Conroy
Niall Grimley
Robert Finnerty
Rian O'Neill
Conor Turbitt
Shane McGuigan
Oisin Gallen
Darragh Canavan
Four Armagh
Four Galway
Three Donegal
Two Tyrone
One Derry
One Kerry
Compare that with the Sunday game team:
Blaine Hughes
Johnny McGrath
Aaron McKay
Barry McCambridge
Dylan McHugh
Aidan Forker
Peadar Mogan
Paul Conroy
Ben Crealey
John Maher
Rian O'Neill
Oisin Conaty
Robert Finnerty
Oisin Gallen
Conor Turbitt
8 Armagh
5 Galway
2 Donegal
9 players on both selections.
TSG Allstars/Team of the Year are always reflective of the game earlier that day.
Same as the hurling.
Is Blaine Hughes as good as niall Morgan?
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 29, 2024, 10:53:56 AMIs Blaine Hughes as good as niall Morgan?
He had a better year for sure and deserves to be an all star in front of Morgan
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 29, 2024, 10:53:56 AMIs Blaine Hughes as good as niall Morgan?
Probably not but you don't win all stars unless you get to a qf
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 29, 2024, 11:11:05 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on July 29, 2024, 10:53:56 AMIs Blaine Hughes as good as niall Morgan?
He had a better year for sure and deserves to be an all star in front of Morgan
I would disagree on that one - Morgan has had his best year yet with Tyrone but he isn't getting an all star. Maybe if Tyrone got to a QF or SF he would be in the conversation. I would be very surprised if Hughes didn't win the All Star.
Quote from: Estimator on July 29, 2024, 10:46:19 AMInteresting to see the pre-final All-Star selection in yesterday's match day programme:
Niall Morgan
Johnny McGrath
Brendan McCole
Tom O'Sullivan
Dylan McHugh
Barry Mc Cambridge
Peadar Mogan
Paul Conroy
Niall Grimley
Robert Finnerty
Rian O'Neill
Conor Turbitt
Shane McGuigan
Oisin Gallen
Darragh Canavan
Four Armagh
Four Galway
Three Donegal
Two Tyrone
One Derry
One Kerry
Compare that with the Sunday game team:
Blaine Hughes
Johnny McGrath
Aaron McKay
Barry McCambridge
Dylan McHugh
Aidan Forker
Peadar Mogan
Paul Conroy
Ben Crealey
John Maher
Rian O'Neill
Oisin Conaty
Robert Finnerty
Oisin Gallen
Conor Turbitt
8 Armagh
5 Galway
2 Donegal
9 players on both selections.
Thought mcguigan had a poor enough year compared to the last few years no way should he get an all star.
Quote from: statto on July 29, 2024, 11:45:29 AMQuote from: Estimator on July 29, 2024, 10:46:19 AMInteresting to see the pre-final All-Star selection in yesterday's match day programme:
Niall Morgan
Johnny McGrath
Brendan McCole
Tom O'Sullivan
Dylan McHugh
Barry Mc Cambridge
Peadar Mogan
Paul Conroy
Niall Grimley
Robert Finnerty
Rian O'Neill
Conor Turbitt
Shane McGuigan
Oisin Gallen
Darragh Canavan
Four Armagh
Four Galway
Three Donegal
Two Tyrone
One Derry
One Kerry
Compare that with the Sunday game team:
Blaine Hughes
Johnny McGrath
Aaron McKay
Barry McCambridge
Dylan McHugh
Aidan Forker
Peadar Mogan
Paul Conroy
Ben Crealey
John Maher
Rian O'Neill
Oisin Conaty
Robert Finnerty
Oisin Gallen
Conor Turbitt
8 Armagh
5 Galway
2 Donegal
9 players on both selections.
Thought mcguigan had a poor enough year compared to the last few years no way should he get an all star.
He was the best player on the pitch in the qf v Kerry. Thought he played well v Galway and Mayo too. Unsurprisingly had no impact in the games we were hammered in v Armagh and Donegal. His worst game in memory was v Westmeath, never seen his shooting as poor. Had a brilliant league and was top scorer, though I know that doesn't hold much weight in all star conversations.
I agree he won't get an all star but I don't think he had a poor year.
Quote from: Estimator on July 29, 2024, 10:46:19 AMInteresting to see the pre-final All-Star selection in yesterday's match day programme:
Niall Morgan
Johnny McGrath
Brendan McCole
Tom O'Sullivan
Dylan McHugh
Barry Mc Cambridge
Peadar Mogan
Paul Conroy
Niall Grimley
Robert Finnerty
Rian O'Neill
Conor Turbitt
Shane McGuigan
Oisin Gallen
Darragh Canavan
Four Armagh
Four Galway
Three Donegal
Two Tyrone
One Derry
One Kerry
Compare that with the Sunday game team:
Blaine Hughes
Johnny McGrath
Aaron McKay
Barry McCambridge
Dylan McHugh
Aidan Forker
Peadar Mogan
Paul Conroy
Ben Crealey
John Maher
Rian O'Neill
Oisin Conaty
Robert Finnerty
Oisin Gallen
Conor Turbitt
8 Armagh
5 Galway
2 Donegal
9 players on both selections.
Journalists that picks All Stars so I'm expecting
Armagh 6
Galway 4
Kerry 2
Donegal 2
Louth 1
RTE radio sport team of the year. Selectors - Andy Moran,Conor McManus,Mark McHugh,Kyle Coney
Blaine Hughes (Armagh)
Johnny McGrath (Galway) Barry McCambride (Armagh) Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry)
Dylan McHugh (Galway) Aidan Forker (Armagh) Peadar Mogan (Donegal)
Paul Conroy (Galway) Rian O'Neill (Armagh)
Sam Mulroy (Louth) John Maher (Galway) Oisin Conaty (Armagh)
Oisin Gallen (Donegal) Rob Finnerty (Galway) Conor Turbitt (Armagh)
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 29, 2024, 07:01:47 PMRTE radio sport team of the year. Selectors - Andy Moran,Conor McManus,Mark McHugh,Kyle Coney
Blaine Hughes (Armagh)
Johnny McGrath (Galway) Barry McCambride (Armagh) Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry)
Dylan McHugh (Galway) Aidan Forker (Armagh) Peadar Mogan (Donegal)
Paul Conroy (Galway) Rian O'Neill (Armagh)
Sam Mulroy (Louth) John Maher (Galway) Oisin Conaty (Armagh)
Oisin Gallen (Donegal) Rob Finnerty (Galway) Conor Turbitt (Armagh)
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 29, 2024, 07:01:47 PMRTE radio sport team of the year. Selectors - Andy Moran,Conor McManus,Mark McHugh,Kyle Coney
Blaine Hughes (Armagh)
Johnny McGrath (Galway) Barry McCambride (Armagh) Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry)
Dylan McHugh (Galway) Aidan Forker (Armagh) Peadar Mogan (Donegal)
Paul Conroy (Galway) Rian O'Neill (Armagh)
Sam Mulroy (Louth) John Maher (Galway) Oisin Conaty (Armagh)
Oisin Gallen (Donegal) Rob Finnerty (Galway) Conor Turbitt (Armagh)
Some people are saying McKay could win player of the year and they aren't even giving him an all star.
Quote from: Mario on July 29, 2024, 07:13:55 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 29, 2024, 07:01:47 PMRTE radio sport team of the year. Selectors - Andy Moran,Conor McManus,Mark McHugh,Kyle Coney
Blaine Hughes (Armagh)
Johnny McGrath (Galway) Barry McCambride (Armagh) Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry)
Dylan McHugh (Galway) Aidan Forker (Armagh) Peadar Mogan (Donegal)
Paul Conroy (Galway) Rian O'Neill (Armagh)
Sam Mulroy (Louth) John Maher (Galway) Oisin Conaty (Armagh)
Oisin Gallen (Donegal) Rob Finnerty (Galway) Conor Turbitt (Armagh)
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 29, 2024, 07:01:47 PMRTE radio sport team of the year. Selectors - Andy Moran,Conor McManus,Mark McHugh,Kyle Coney
Blaine Hughes (Armagh)
Johnny McGrath (Galway) Barry McCambride (Armagh) Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry)
Dylan McHugh (Galway) Aidan Forker (Armagh) Peadar Mogan (Donegal)
Paul Conroy (Galway) Rian O'Neill (Armagh)
Sam Mulroy (Louth) John Maher (Galway) Oisin Conaty (Armagh)
Oisin Gallen (Donegal) Rob Finnerty (Galway) Conor Turbitt (Armagh)
Some people are saying McKay could win player of the year and they aren't even giving him an all star.
as good a player as o Sullivan is does he really deserve an all star?He butchered a goal chance that probably knocks Armagh out while McKay solid all year and brings the massive score in all Ireland final.
Quote from: Estimator on July 29, 2024, 10:46:19 AMInteresting to see the pre-final All-Star selection in yesterday's match day programme:
Niall Morgan
Johnny McGrath
Brendan McCole
Tom O'Sullivan
Dylan McHugh
Barry Mc Cambridge
Peadar Mogan
Paul Conroy
Niall Grimley
Robert Finnerty
Rian O'Neill
Conor Turbitt
Shane McGuigan
Oisin Gallen
Darragh Canavan
Four Armagh
Four Galway
Three Donegal
Two Tyrone
One Derry
One Kerry
Compare that with the Sunday game team:
Blaine Hughes
Johnny McGrath
Aaron McKay
Barry McCambridge
Dylan McHugh
Aidan Forker
Peadar Mogan
Paul Conroy
Ben Crealey
John Maher
Rian O'Neill
Oisin Conaty
Robert Finnerty
Oisin Gallen
Conor Turbitt
8 Armagh
5 Galway
2 Donegal
9 players on both selections.
not sure how Tyrone are getting two all stars without making the last 8.
Quote from: statto on July 29, 2024, 07:21:54 PMQuote from: Estimator on July 29, 2024, 10:46:19 AMInteresting to see the pre-final All-Star selection in yesterday's match day programme:
Niall Morgan
Johnny McGrath
Brendan McCole
Tom O'Sullivan
Dylan McHugh
Barry Mc Cambridge
Peadar Mogan
Paul Conroy
Niall Grimley
Robert Finnerty
Rian O'Neill
Conor Turbitt
Shane McGuigan
Oisin Gallen
Darragh Canavan
Four Armagh
Four Galway
Three Donegal
Two Tyrone
One Derry
One Kerry
Compare that with the Sunday game team:
Blaine Hughes
Johnny McGrath
Aaron McKay
Barry McCambridge
Dylan McHugh
Aidan Forker
Peadar Mogan
Paul Conroy
Ben Crealey
John Maher
Rian O'Neill
Oisin Conaty
Robert Finnerty
Oisin Gallen
Conor Turbitt
8 Armagh
5 Galway
2 Donegal
9 players on both selections.
not sure how Tyrone are getting two all stars without making the last 8.
Morgan and Canavan were exceptional but ure right, they didn't hit in the later challenges those other players faced.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 29, 2024, 07:01:47 PMRTE radio sport team of the year. Selectors - Andy Moran,Conor McManus,Mark McHugh,Kyle Coney
Blaine Hughes (Armagh)
Johnny McGrath (Galway) Barry McCambride (Armagh) Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry)
Dylan McHugh (Galway) Aidan Forker (Armagh) Peadar Mogan (Donegal)
Paul Conroy (Galway) Rian O'Neill (Armagh)
Sam Mulroy (Louth) John Maher (Galway) Oisin Conaty (Armagh)
Oisin Gallen (Donegal) Rob Finnerty (Galway) Conor Turbitt (Armagh)
No McKay is criminal
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 29, 2024, 07:01:47 PMRTE radio sport team of the year. Selectors - Andy Moran,Conor McManus,Mark McHugh,Kyle Coney
Blaine Hughes (Armagh)
Johnny McGrath (Galway) Barry McCambride (Armagh) Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry)
Dylan McHugh (Galway) Aidan Forker (Armagh) Peadar Mogan (Donegal)
Paul Conroy (Galway) Rian O'Neill (Armagh)
Sam Mulroy (Louth) John Maher (Galway) Oisin Conaty (Armagh)
Oisin Gallen (Donegal) Rob Finnerty (Galway) Conor Turbitt (Armagh)
No McKay is criminal
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 30, 2024, 09:40:13 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 29, 2024, 07:01:47 PMRTE radio sport team of the year. Selectors - Andy Moran,Conor McManus,Mark McHugh,Kyle Coney
Blaine Hughes (Armagh)
Johnny McGrath (Galway) Barry McCambride (Armagh) Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry)
Dylan McHugh (Galway) Aidan Forker (Armagh) Peadar Mogan (Donegal)
Paul Conroy (Galway) Rian O'Neill (Armagh)
Sam Mulroy (Louth) John Maher (Galway) Oisin Conaty (Armagh)
Oisin Gallen (Donegal) Rob Finnerty (Galway) Conor Turbitt (Armagh)
No McKay is criminal
I'll be very surprised if he doesn't win All Star.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 30, 2024, 02:14:33 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 30, 2024, 09:40:13 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 29, 2024, 07:01:47 PMRTE radio sport team of the year. Selectors - Andy Moran,Conor McManus,Mark McHugh,Kyle Coney
Blaine Hughes (Armagh)
Johnny McGrath (Galway) Barry McCambride (Armagh) Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry)
Dylan McHugh (Galway) Aidan Forker (Armagh) Peadar Mogan (Donegal)
Paul Conroy (Galway) Rian O'Neill (Armagh)
Sam Mulroy (Louth) John Maher (Galway) Oisin Conaty (Armagh)
Oisin Gallen (Donegal) Rob Finnerty (Galway) Conor Turbitt (Armagh)
No McKay is criminal
I'll be very surprised if he doesn't win All Star.
POTY contender for me. Absolutely faultless all year.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 30, 2024, 06:02:57 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 30, 2024, 02:14:33 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 30, 2024, 09:40:13 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 29, 2024, 07:01:47 PMRTE radio sport team of the year. Selectors - Andy Moran,Conor McManus,Mark McHugh,Kyle Coney
Blaine Hughes (Armagh)
Johnny McGrath (Galway) Barry McCambride (Armagh) Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry)
Dylan McHugh (Galway) Aidan Forker (Armagh) Peadar Mogan (Donegal)
Paul Conroy (Galway) Rian O'Neill (Armagh)
Sam Mulroy (Louth) John Maher (Galway) Oisin Conaty (Armagh)
Oisin Gallen (Donegal) Rob Finnerty (Galway) Conor Turbitt (Armagh)
No McKay is criminal
I'll be very surprised if he doesn't win All Star.
POTY contender for me. Absolutely faultless all year.
Have to agree
How many defenders in the full back line have won player of the Year.Very few?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 30, 2024, 06:55:05 PMHow many defenders in the full back line have won player of the Year.Very few?
Marc o'se in 2007 and Moynihan in 2000 are the most recent ones. Its a forwards game
Quote from: Nanderson on July 30, 2024, 07:35:51 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on July 30, 2024, 06:55:05 PMHow many defenders in the full back line have won player of the Year.Very few?
Marc o'se in 2007 and Moynihan in 2000 are the most recent ones. Its a forwards game
Judging by Sunday, and where most of the scores came from it's now a defenders /midfielders game
Quote from: square_ball on July 29, 2024, 11:23:02 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on July 29, 2024, 11:11:05 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on July 29, 2024, 10:53:56 AMIs Blaine Hughes as good as niall Morgan?
He had a better year for sure and deserves to be an all star in front of Morgan
I would disagree on that one - Morgan has had his best year yet with Tyrone but he isn't getting an all star. Maybe if Tyrone got to a QF or SF he would be in the conversation. I would be very surprised if Hughes didn't win the All Star.
Absolutely agree, Morgan is head and shoulders above any other keeper in the country at this point, but will be lucky to get a nomination and has a similar chance to myself of picking up the gong!
Quote from: onefineday on July 31, 2024, 12:14:42 AMQuote from: square_ball on July 29, 2024, 11:23:02 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on July 29, 2024, 11:11:05 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on July 29, 2024, 10:53:56 AMIs Blaine Hughes as good as niall Morgan?
He had a better year for sure and deserves to be an all star in front of Morgan
I would disagree on that one - Morgan has had his best year yet with Tyrone but he isn't getting an all star. Maybe if Tyrone got to a QF or SF he would be in the conversation. I would be very surprised if Hughes didn't win the All Star.
Absolutely agree, Morgan is head and shoulders above any other keeper in the country at this point, but will be lucky to get a nomination and has a similar chance to myself of picking up the gong!
Morgan is superb but he played in 0 big games. Blaine is the all star and it isn't even a contest in nets.
Enda Smith didn't play in any 'big games' last year and got an all star. Hughes will get the All Star but imo Morgan has been the best goalkeeper in the country this season.
Quote from: square_ball on July 31, 2024, 08:24:14 AMEnda Smith didn't play in any 'big games' last year and got an all star. Hughes will get the All Star but imo Morgan has been the best goalkeeper in the country this season.
Yeah fair enough. Actually thought Blaine didn't have his best day in the final but obviously had enough credit from previous.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 31, 2024, 08:38:43 AMQuote from: square_ball on July 31, 2024, 08:24:14 AMEnda Smith didn't play in any 'big games' last year and got an all star. Hughes will get the All Star but imo Morgan has been the best goalkeeper in the country this season.
Yeah fair enough. Actually thought Blaine didn't have his best day in the final but obviously had enough credit from previous.
He probably didn't have much to do in the final but probably suited him and should seal the all star for him. Did you read Cahair O'Kane in the Irish News yesterday? Said he got a bad bang on the knee in the warm up from one of the players and the Armagh physios had to do running repairs after the parade.
From the outside looking in you never really thought McGeeney was 100% convinced by him before this year but he has been very good. Wonder could Rafferty make it back as an outfield player with Armagh?
Quote from: square_ball on July 31, 2024, 08:24:14 AMEnda Smith didn't play in any 'big games' last year and got an all star. Hughes will get the All Star but imo Morgan has been the best goalkeeper in the country this season.
Are you rating Morgan on his goalkeeping or the impact he has on games or when roaming out the field?
On my count which could be wrong Morgan conceded 14 goals this year and Hughes conceded 5.
I don't think Morgan should be in the conversation.
Quote from: square_ball on July 31, 2024, 09:07:50 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 31, 2024, 08:38:43 AMQuote from: square_ball on July 31, 2024, 08:24:14 AMEnda Smith didn't play in any 'big games' last year and got an all star. Hughes will get the All Star but imo Morgan has been the best goalkeeper in the country this season.
Yeah fair enough. Actually thought Blaine didn't have his best day in the final but obviously had enough credit from previous.
He probably didn't have much to do in the final but probably suited him and should seal the all star for him. Did you read Cahair O'Kane in the Irish News yesterday? Said he got a bad bang on the knee in the warm up from one of the players and the Armagh physios had to do running repairs after the parade.
From the outside looking in you never really thought McGeeney was 100% convinced by him before this year but he has been very good. Wonder could Rafferty make it back as an outfield player with Armagh?
Yeah did hear he hurt the knee warming up and Rafferty nearly did get the call.
Not sure if he wasn't convinced by Blaine or if he wanted to try something new/different with what Ethan brings but fair play to Blaine he got his chance and has been undroppable all year.
Not sure if Rafferty could still play outfield, haven't actually seen a whole pile of him in a while.
BH did hurt his knee in the warm up. McIlroy tripped on a bag and fell into him. He couldnt kick across his body. ONe of the lads was saying this on Woolly Parkinson's podcast
I believe it was actually quite a bad injury.
Quote from: square_ball on July 31, 2024, 08:24:14 AMEnda Smith didn't play in any 'big games' last year and got an all star. Hughes will get the All Star but imo Morgan has been the best goalkeeper in the country this season.
10 of Roscommon's games last year was against Division 1 opposition and he got man of the match and named on the team of week a few times.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 31, 2024, 02:30:56 PMQuote from: square_ball on July 31, 2024, 08:24:14 AMEnda Smith didn't play in any 'big games' last year and got an all star. Hughes will get the All Star but imo Morgan has been the best goalkeeper in the country this season.
10 of Roscommon's games last year was against Division 1 opposition and he got man of the match and named on the team of week a few times.
It wasn't a dig at Enda Smith. It was just in reply to a comment saying that Niall Morgan didn't play in any big games this year with Tyrone only getting to the last 12 when that is how far Roscommon got last year.
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 31, 2024, 09:23:13 AMBH did hurt his knee in the warm up. McIlroy tripped on a bag and fell into him. He couldnt kick across his body. ONe of the lads was saying this on Woolly Parkinson's podcast
thats why they pulled the parade short
if you look he wasnt bandaged in the parade , this was done in the huddle
at one stage ethan was told to warm up
surprised Galway never coped on to the bandaging
I thought he was one of the main reasons you beat Kerry but the kickouts weren't anywhere near as good at the weekend and that would maybe explain why.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on July 31, 2024, 09:34:17 AMI believe it was actually quite a bad injury.
torn MCL was said on the podcast
Quote from: square_ball on July 31, 2024, 03:02:58 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 31, 2024, 02:30:56 PMQuote from: square_ball on July 31, 2024, 08:24:14 AMEnda Smith didn't play in any 'big games' last year and got an all star. Hughes will get the All Star but imo Morgan has been the best goalkeeper in the country this season.
10 of Roscommon's games last year was against Division 1 opposition and he got man of the match and named on the team of week a few times.
It wasn't a dig at Enda Smith. It was just in reply to a comment saying that Niall Morgan didn't play in any big games this year with Tyrone only getting to the last 12 when that is how far Roscommon got last year.
I'm just outlining what individual player needs to do on a team that doesn't reach the latter stages to catch the eye of journalists whom select All Stars. Question on Morgan how many man of the match awards and how often did he get selected on the team of the week this year?
Had a quick flick through the GAA team of the week from last year on Twitter and I didn't see Smith named in any unless I am missing a few. Morgan named on 2 teams of the week though I wouldn't really place much stock on them to be honest.
But anyway Hughes will get the all star which I have no issue with as I know all stars generally come from the semi finalists and finalists.
Quote from: square_ball on July 31, 2024, 05:33:55 PMHad a quick flick through the GAA team of the week from last year on Twitter and I didn't see Smith named in any unless I am missing a few. Morgan named on 2 teams of the week though I wouldn't really place much stock on them to be honest.
But anyway Hughes will get the all star which I have no issue with as I know all stars generally come from the semi finalists and finalists.
They do but in this instance I think he's been the best goal keeper as well. Morgan offers something different but Hughes calmness, decision making and delivery this season have been pivotal to Armagh. His ability to hit men open particularly against Kerry was critical to Armagh.
Quote from: David McKeown on July 31, 2024, 05:41:19 PMQuote from: square_ball on July 31, 2024, 05:33:55 PMHad a quick flick through the GAA team of the week from last year on Twitter and I didn't see Smith named in any unless I am missing a few. Morgan named on 2 teams of the week though I wouldn't really place much stock on them to be honest.
But anyway Hughes will get the all star which I have no issue with as I know all stars generally come from the semi finalists and finalists.
They do but in this instance I think he's been the best goal keeper as well. Morgan offers something different but Hughes calmness, decision making and delivery this season have been pivotal to Armagh. His ability to hit men open particularly against Kerry was critical to Armagh.
Yeah that's fair enough. I appreciate I am biased on this one as well.
Quote from: square_ball on July 31, 2024, 06:55:43 PMQuote from: David McKeown on July 31, 2024, 05:41:19 PMQuote from: square_ball on July 31, 2024, 05:33:55 PMHad a quick flick through the GAA team of the week from last year on Twitter and I didn't see Smith named in any unless I am missing a few. Morgan named on 2 teams of the week though I wouldn't really place much stock on them to be honest.
But anyway Hughes will get the all star which I have no issue with as I know all stars generally come from the semi finalists and finalists.
They do but in this instance I think he's been the best goal keeper as well. Morgan offers something different but Hughes calmness, decision making and delivery this season have been pivotal to Armagh. His ability to hit men open particularly against Kerry was critical to Armagh.
Yeah that's fair enough. I appreciate I am biased on this one as well.
Aren't we all even if I claim Niall as an honorary Annaghmore man
Quote from: square_ball on July 31, 2024, 05:33:55 PMHad a quick flick through the GAA team of the week from last year on Twitter and I didn't see Smith named in any unless I am missing a few. Morgan named on 2 teams of the week though I wouldn't really place much stock on them to be honest.
But anyway Hughes will get the all star which I have no issue with as I know all stars generally come from the semi finalists and finalists.
Was on it two or three times and named player of the week at least once from what I recall last year. I would take stock in that as after all it's Journalists that picks them. I think it was Maurice Brosnan a Journalist on the examiner that explained what it would takes for any player from a team that doesn't reach the latter stage needs to do to win All Star.
Morgan should certainly get nominated then but Blaine Hughes has been fairly flawless for Armagh and his accurate kicks out has been a big role in winning the All Ireland for his county so can imagine that will make him the front runner for the goalkeeper All-star.
My tuppence after watching the semis again
1. Blaine Hughes (Armagh) - every keeper made a howler bar him
2.Johnny McGrath (Galway)
3. McKay (Armagh)
4. Forker - to get him in somewhere & McCambridge misses out to get POTY
5.Dylan McHugh (Galway)
6.Silke (Galway)
7.Mogan (Donegal)
8. Paul Conroy (Galway)
9. Langan (Donegal)
10. Rian O'Neill (Armagh)
11. John Maher (Galway)
12. N Grimley (Armagh) - Conaty YPOTY
13.Oisin Gallen (Donegal)
14. Mulroy or Louth MFer
15. Conor Turbitt (Armagh)
reckon Louth will defo get one
Quote from: bennydorano on August 17, 2024, 09:06:02 PMMy tuppence after watching the semis again
1. Blaine Hughes (Armagh) - every keeper made a howler bar him
2.Johnny McGrath (Galway)
3. McKay (Armagh)
4. Forker - to get him in somewhere & McCambridge misses out to get POTY
5.Dylan McHugh (Galway)
6.Silke (Galway)
7.Mogan (Donegal)
8. Paul Conroy (Galway)
9. Langan (Donegal)
10. Rian O'Neill (Armagh)
11. John Maher (Galway)
12. N Grimley (Armagh) - Conaty YPOTY
13.Oisin Gallen (Donegal)
14. Mulroy or Louth MFer
15. Conor Turbitt (Armagh)
reckon Louth will defo get one
I know Young Player doesn't always get an all star (Clarke didnt in 02 when he was young player of the year but strangely Cooper did get the all star i think) but I think and I am open to correction that the player of the year has always been an all star
Brian Whelehan famously missed out on an all star but got POTY in 1994. If you are nominated for POTY you are a cert for inclusion in the team of the year. Only outlier to that is when Cluxton and Clarke were nominated for POTY but obviously only one could get in the team.
Quote from: square_ball on August 18, 2024, 10:30:51 PMBrian Whelehan famously missed out on an all star but got POTY in 1994. If you are nominated for POTY you are a cert for inclusion in the team of the year. Only outlier to that is when Cluxton and Clarke were nominated for POTY but obviously only one could get in the team.
Was that not the Texaco player of the year he won which in turn lead to the creation of the All Star player of the year in 1995?
Quote from: Cavan19 on July 31, 2024, 09:18:01 AMQuote from: square_ball on July 31, 2024, 08:24:14 AMEnda Smith didn't play in any 'big games' last year and got an all star. Hughes will get the All Star but imo Morgan has been the best goalkeeper in the country this season.
Are you rating Morgan on his goalkeeping or the impact he has on games or when roaming out the field?
On my count which could be wrong Morgan conceded 14 goals this year and Hughes conceded 5.
I don't think Morgan should be in the conversation.
Look at the defence Morgan has in front of him lol. If you could show me evidence on goals he conceded where he should be saving I'll accept it. But the amount of shots he stopped and attacks he contributed to shouldn't be overlooked. A lot of the time he looked like the only player with any interest in getting the ball up the field with boys walking beside him
Quote from: thebigfullforward on August 22, 2024, 04:28:27 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on July 31, 2024, 09:18:01 AMQuote from: square_ball on July 31, 2024, 08:24:14 AMEnda Smith didn't play in any 'big games' last year and got an all star. Hughes will get the All Star but imo Morgan has been the best goalkeeper in the country this season.
Are you rating Morgan on his goalkeeping or the impact he has on games or when roaming out the field?
On my count which could be wrong Morgan conceded 14 goals this year and Hughes conceded 5.
I don't think Morgan should be in the conversation.
Look at the defence Morgan has in front of him lol. If you could show me evidence on goals he conceded where he should be saving I'll accept it. But the amount of shots he stopped and attacks he contributed to shouldn't be overlooked. A lot of the time he looked like the only player with any interest in getting the ball up the field with boys walking beside him
hes a great keeper and had an excellent season. For as long as it lasted. Which IMO was not long enough to be considered for an all star.
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 23, 2024, 06:53:11 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on August 22, 2024, 04:28:27 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on July 31, 2024, 09:18:01 AMQuote from: square_ball on July 31, 2024, 08:24:14 AMEnda Smith didn't play in any 'big games' last year and got an all star. Hughes will get the All Star but imo Morgan has been the best goalkeeper in the country this season.
Are you rating Morgan on his goalkeeping or the impact he has on games or when roaming out the field?
On my count which could be wrong Morgan conceded 14 goals this year and Hughes conceded 5.
I don't think Morgan should be in the conversation.
Look at the defence Morgan has in front of him lol. If you could show me evidence on goals he conceded where he should be saving I'll accept it. But the amount of shots he stopped and attacks he contributed to shouldn't be overlooked. A lot of the time he looked like the only player with any interest in getting the ball up the field with boys walking beside him
hes a great keeper and had an excellent season. For as long as it lasted. Which IMO was not long enough to be considered for an all star.
Enda Smith got an All Star last year for getting to the same stage as Morgan did this year with more competition in his position. If Enda Smith could get one why should Morgan not be in the conversation?
Niall Morgan played for a D1 team that underperformed in both league and championship.
Blaine Hughes conceded 1 goal in 9 championship matches en route to lifting Sam Maguire.
Morgan has roughly the same chance of winning an All Star this year as John O'Leary.
Please put this conversation to bed.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on August 23, 2024, 08:24:28 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on August 23, 2024, 06:53:11 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on August 22, 2024, 04:28:27 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on July 31, 2024, 09:18:01 AMQuote from: square_ball on July 31, 2024, 08:24:14 AMEnda Smith didn't play in any 'big games' last year and got an all star. Hughes will get the All Star but imo Morgan has been the best goalkeeper in the country this season.
Are you rating Morgan on his goalkeeping or the impact he has on games or when roaming out the field?
On my count which could be wrong Morgan conceded 14 goals this year and Hughes conceded 5.
I don't think Morgan should be in the conversation.
Look at the defence Morgan has in front of him lol. If you could show me evidence on goals he conceded where he should be saving I'll accept it. But the amount of shots he stopped and attacks he contributed to shouldn't be overlooked. A lot of the time he looked like the only player with any interest in getting the ball up the field with boys walking beside him
hes a great keeper and had an excellent season. For as long as it lasted. Which IMO was not long enough to be considered for an all star.
Enda Smith got an All Star last year for getting to the same stage as Morgan did this year with more competition in his position. If Enda Smith could get one why should Morgan not be in the conversation?
fair enough. I thought the Rossies were quarter finals last year
Enda probably got it as the token Connacht rep.
Neither Galway nor Mayowestros had any stand out players last year.
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 23, 2024, 10:14:11 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on August 23, 2024, 08:24:28 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on August 23, 2024, 06:53:11 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on August 22, 2024, 04:28:27 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on July 31, 2024, 09:18:01 AMQuote from: square_ball on July 31, 2024, 08:24:14 AMEnda Smith didn't play in any 'big games' last year and got an all star. Hughes will get the All Star but imo Morgan has been the best goalkeeper in the country this season.
Are you rating Morgan on his goalkeeping or the impact he has on games or when roaming out the field?
On my count which could be wrong Morgan conceded 14 goals this year and Hughes conceded 5.
I don't think Morgan should be in the conversation.
Look at the defence Morgan has in front of him lol. If you could show me evidence on goals he conceded where he should be saving I'll accept it. But the amount of shots he stopped and attacks he contributed to shouldn't be overlooked. A lot of the time he looked like the only player with any interest in getting the ball up the field with boys walking beside him
hes a great keeper and had an excellent season. For as long as it lasted. Which IMO was not long enough to be considered for an all star.
Enda Smith got an All Star last year for getting to the same stage as Morgan did this year with more competition in his position. If Enda Smith could get one why should Morgan not be in the conversation?
fair enough. I thought the Rossies were quarter finals last year
Have to agree with Tonto on this one, he didn't play deep enough into the business end of the season. At the stage of QF onwards, he would have been more exposed to potential mistakes by better teams. That being said, his contribution to an underperforming Tyrone team can't go unnoticed.
Thought Stefan Campbell done enough to get a nomination but season feels like that long ago I can think of anyone else who should have made the cut.
Goalkeepers
Blaine Hughes (Armagh), Shaun Patton (Donegal), Niall Morgan (Tyrone)
Defenders
Aaron McKay (Armagh), Barry McCambridge (Armagh), Aidan Forker (Armagh), Paddy Burns (Armagh), Peadar Mogan (Donegal), Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Caolan McGonigle (Donegal), Brendan McCole (Donegal), Johnny McGrath (Galway), Dylan McHugh (Galway), Liam Silke (Galway), Craig Lennon (Louth), Donal McKenny (Louth), Brian Ó Beaglaioch (Kerry), Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry), Seán Bugler (Dublin), Brian Stack (Roscommon), Daniel O'Mahony (Cork)
Midfielders
Niall Grimley (Armagh), Ben Crealey (Armagh), Michael Langan (Donegal), Brian Fenton (Dublin), Tommy Durnin (Louth), Paul Conroy (Galway)
Forwards
Rian O'Neill (Armagh), Conor Turbitt (Armagh), Oisín Conaty (Armagh), Rory Grugan (Armagh), Cillian McDaid (Galway), John Maher (Galway), Rob Finnerty (Galway), Shane Walsh (Galway), David Clifford (Kerry), Paudie Clifford (Kerry), Con O'Callaghan (Dublin), Cormac Costello (Dublin), Ryan O'Donoghue (Mayo), Aidan O'Shea (Mayo), Oisín Gallen (Donegal), Darragh Canavan (Tyrone), Sam Mulroy (Louth), Diarmuid Murtagh (Roscommon)
PwC GAA/GPA Footballer of the Year nominees
Barry McCambridge (Armagh), Paul Conroy (Galway), John Maher (Galway)
PwC GAA/GPA Young Footballer of the Year nominees
Oisín Conaty (Armagh), Johnny McGrath (Galway), Ciarán Moore (Donegal)
Well done to all the lads, Conaty a cert for young player of the year and player of the year hard to call
Can't believe Joe and Soupy missed out when you see a few of the names nominated in there.
Derry, the league champions, the only quarter finalists without a nomination.
Quote from: Mario on September 19, 2024, 11:09:20 AMDerry, the league champions, the only quarter finalists without a nomination.
By my count there are 5 nominees from counties that didn't even make the QFs, plus 9 from beaten QFs.
From a Derry perspective I thought Baker might have been in with a shout. But I'd doubt if any of the 14 (total) from above will be close to getting an All-Star.
Surprised that Campbell wasn't nominated. Think Conaty is an easy winner of YPOTY, and two nominees from Galway might pave the way for McCambridge to pick up POTY.
Quote from: Mario on September 19, 2024, 11:09:20 AMDerry, the league champions, the only quarter finalists without a nomination.
As was stated at the time, despite all the hypbole about Harte and Derry, come end of year no-one cares who won the league.
Quote from: Truthsayer on September 19, 2024, 12:15:32 PMQuote from: Mario on September 19, 2024, 11:09:20 AMDerry, the league champions, the only quarter finalists without a nomination.
As was stated at the time, despite all the hypbole about Harte and Derry, come end of year no-one cares who won the league.
A qf seemed to be enough for the other 3 defeated quarterfinalists to get nominations. It's not a big issue as I doubt anyone outside the semi will win an all star but I thought McGuigan would get a nomination. Although below the standards of the past few seasons he was better than a lot of forwards on that list. Top scorer in the league, decent games v Mayo and Galway and easily the best player on the pitch in the QF v Kerry.
Quote from: Mario on September 19, 2024, 12:18:01 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on September 19, 2024, 12:15:32 PMQuote from: Mario on September 19, 2024, 11:09:20 AMDerry, the league champions, the only quarter finalists without a nomination.
As was stated at the time, despite all the hypbole about Harte and Derry, come end of year no-one cares who won the league.
A qf seemed to be enough for 7 other counties to get nominations. It's not a big issue as I doubt anyone outside the semi will win an all star but I thought McGuigan should get a nomination. Top scorer in the league, decent games v Mayo and Galway and easily the best player on the pitch in the QF v Kerry.
Fair enough... the league irrelevant tho.
Quote from: Estimator on September 19, 2024, 12:07:40 PMQuote from: Mario on September 19, 2024, 11:09:20 AMDerry, the league champions, the only quarter finalists without a nomination.
By my count there are 5 nominees from counties that didn't even make the QFs, plus 9 from beaten QFs.
From a Derry perspective I thought Baker might have been in with a shout. But I'd doubt if any of the 14 (total) from above will be close to getting an All-Star.
Surprised that Campbell wasn't nominated. Think Conaty is an easy winner of YPOTY, and two nominees from Galway might pave the way for McCambridge to pick up POTY.
I didnt expect him to make the 15 but not to be included in the nominations is a very poor omission IMO.
Quote from: square_ball on September 19, 2024, 10:30:03 AMThought Stefan Campbell done enough to get a nomination but season feels like that long ago I can think of anyone else who should have made the cut.
Goalkeepers
Blaine Hughes (Armagh), Shaun Patton (Donegal), Niall Morgan (Tyrone)
Defenders
Aaron McKay (Armagh), Barry McCambridge (Armagh), Aidan Forker (Armagh), Paddy Burns (Armagh), Peadar Mogan (Donegal), Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Caolan McGonigle (Donegal), Brendan McCole (Donegal), Johnny McGrath (Galway), Dylan McHugh (Galway), Liam Silke (Galway), Craig Lennon (Louth), Donal McKenny (Louth), Brian Ó Beaglaioch (Kerry), Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry), Seán Bugler (Dublin), Brian Stack (Roscommon), Daniel O'Mahony (Cork)
Midfielders
Niall Grimley (Armagh), Ben Crealey (Armagh), Michael Langan (Donegal), Brian Fenton (Dublin), Tommy Durnin (Louth), Paul Conroy (Galway)
Forwards
Rian O'Neill (Armagh), Conor Turbitt (Armagh), Oisín Conaty (Armagh), Rory Grugan (Armagh), Cillian McDaid (Galway), John Maher (Galway), Rob Finnerty (Galway), Shane Walsh (Galway), David Clifford (Kerry), Paudie Clifford (Kerry), Con O'Callaghan (Dublin), Cormac Costello (Dublin), Ryan O'Donoghue (Mayo), Aidan O'Shea (Mayo), Oisín Gallen (Donegal), Darragh Canavan (Tyrone), Sam Mulroy (Louth), Diarmuid Murtagh (Roscommon)
PwC GAA/GPA Footballer of the Year nominees
Barry McCambridge (Armagh), Paul Conroy (Galway), John Maher (Galway)
PwC GAA/GPA Young Footballer of the Year nominees
Oisín Conaty (Armagh), Johnny McGrath (Galway), Ciarán Moore (Donegal)
Who'll win the awards IMO
Blaine Hughes (Armagh)
Aaron McKay (Armagh), Barry McCambridge (Armagh)Johnny McGrath (Galway), Dylan McHugh (Galway),Peadar Mogan (Donegal)Aidan Forker (Armagh) Niall Grimley (Armagh),Paul Conroy (Galway) Rian O'Neill (Armagh), Conor Turbitt (Armagh), Oisín Conaty (Armagh),John Maher (Galway),Oisín Gallen (Donegal), Sam Mulroy (Louth),
Oisín Conaty young footballer of the year and Barry McCambridge player of the year
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 19, 2024, 02:40:36 PMQuote from: square_ball on September 19, 2024, 10:30:03 AMThought Stefan Campbell done enough to get a nomination but season feels like that long ago I can think of anyone else who should have made the cut.
Goalkeepers
Blaine Hughes (Armagh), Shaun Patton (Donegal), Niall Morgan (Tyrone)
Defenders
Aaron McKay (Armagh), Barry McCambridge (Armagh), Aidan Forker (Armagh), Paddy Burns (Armagh), Peadar Mogan (Donegal), Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Caolan McGonigle (Donegal), Brendan McCole (Donegal), Johnny McGrath (Galway), Dylan McHugh (Galway), Liam Silke (Galway), Craig Lennon (Louth), Donal McKenny (Louth), Brian Ó Beaglaioch (Kerry), Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry), Seán Bugler (Dublin), Brian Stack (Roscommon), Daniel O'Mahony (Cork)
Midfielders
Niall Grimley (Armagh), Ben Crealey (Armagh), Michael Langan (Donegal), Brian Fenton (Dublin), Tommy Durnin (Louth), Paul Conroy (Galway)
Forwards
Rian O'Neill (Armagh), Conor Turbitt (Armagh), Oisín Conaty (Armagh), Rory Grugan (Armagh), Cillian McDaid (Galway), John Maher (Galway), Rob Finnerty (Galway), Shane Walsh (Galway), David Clifford (Kerry), Paudie Clifford (Kerry), Con O'Callaghan (Dublin), Cormac Costello (Dublin), Ryan O'Donoghue (Mayo), Aidan O'Shea (Mayo), Oisín Gallen (Donegal), Darragh Canavan (Tyrone), Sam Mulroy (Louth), Diarmuid Murtagh (Roscommon)
PwC GAA/GPA Footballer of the Year nominees
Barry McCambridge (Armagh), Paul Conroy (Galway), John Maher (Galway)
PwC GAA/GPA Young Footballer of the Year nominees
Oisín Conaty (Armagh), Johnny McGrath (Galway), Ciarán Moore (Donegal)
Who'll win the awards IMO
Blaine Hughes (Armagh)
Aaron McKay (Armagh), Barry McCambridge (Armagh)Johnny McGrath (Galway), Dylan McHugh (Galway),Peadar Mogan (Donegal)Aidan Forker (Armagh) Niall Grimley (Armagh),Paul Conroy (Galway) Rian O'Neill (Armagh), Conor Turbitt (Armagh), Oisín Conaty (Armagh),John Maher (Galway),Oisín Gallen (Donegal), Sam Mulroy (Louth),
Oisín Conaty young footballer of the year and Barry McCambridge player of the year
Total toss up between Crealey and Grimley, thought both were excellent this year, would be great for Niall after all he's been through.
Great year for Barry McCambridge, how many were tipping him for an Allstar earlier in the year, never mind POTY?
I would expect Gallen and Mulroy to get one.
Goalkeepers
Blaine Hughes (Armagh), Shaun Patton (Donegal), Niall Morgan (Tyrone)
Defenders
Aaron McKay (Armagh), Barry McCambridge (Armagh), Aidan Forker (Armagh), Paddy Burns (Armagh), Peadar Mogan (Donegal), Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Caolan McGonigle (Donegal), Brendan McCole (Donegal), Johnny McGrath (Galway), Dylan McHugh (Galway), Liam Silke (Galway), Craig Lennon (Louth), Donal McKenny (Louth), Brian Ó Beaglaioch (Kerry), Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry), Seán Bugler (Dublin), Brian Stack (Roscommon), Daniel O'Mahony (Cork)
Midfielders
Niall Grimley (Armagh), Ben Crealey (Armagh), Michael Langan (Donegal), Brian Fenton (Dublin), Tommy Durnin (Louth), Paul Conroy (Galway)
Forwards
Rian O'Neill (Armagh), Conor Turbitt (Armagh), Oisín Conaty (Armagh), Rory Grugan (Armagh), Cillian McDaid (Galway), John Maher (Galway), Rob Finnerty (Galway), Shane Walsh (Galway), David Clifford (Kerry), Paudie Clifford (Kerry), Con O'Callaghan (Dublin), Cormac Costello (Dublin), Ryan O'Donoghue (Mayo), Aidan O'Shea (Mayo), Oisín Gallen (Donegal), Darragh Canavan (Tyrone), Sam Mulroy (Louth), Diarmuid Murtagh (Roscommon)
PwC GAA/GPA Footballer of the Year nominees
Barry McCambridge (Armagh), Paul Conroy (Galway), John Maher (Galway)
PwC GAA/GPA Young Footballer of the Year nominees
Oisín Conaty (Armagh), Johnny McGrath (Galway), Ciarán Moore (Donegal)
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 19, 2024, 02:40:36 PMQuote from: square_ball on September 19, 2024, 10:30:03 AMThought Stefan Campbell done enough to get a nomination but season feels like that long ago I can think of anyone else who should have made the cut.
Goalkeepers
Blaine Hughes (Armagh), Shaun Patton (Donegal), Niall Morgan (Tyrone)
Defenders
Aaron McKay (Armagh), Barry McCambridge (Armagh), Aidan Forker (Armagh), Paddy Burns (Armagh), Peadar Mogan (Donegal), Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Caolan McGonigle (Donegal), Brendan McCole (Donegal), Johnny McGrath (Galway), Dylan McHugh (Galway), Liam Silke (Galway), Craig Lennon (Louth), Donal McKenny (Louth), Brian Ó Beaglaioch (Kerry), Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry), Seán Bugler (Dublin), Brian Stack (Roscommon), Daniel O'Mahony (Cork)
Midfielders
Niall Grimley (Armagh), Ben Crealey (Armagh), Michael Langan (Donegal), Brian Fenton (Dublin), Tommy Durnin (Louth), Paul Conroy (Galway)
Forwards
Rian O'Neill (Armagh), Conor Turbitt (Armagh), Oisín Conaty (Armagh), Rory Grugan (Armagh), Cillian McDaid (Galway), John Maher (Galway), Rob Finnerty (Galway), Shane Walsh (Galway), David Clifford (Kerry), Paudie Clifford (Kerry), Con O'Callaghan (Dublin), Cormac Costello (Dublin), Ryan O'Donoghue (Mayo), Aidan O'Shea (Mayo), Oisín Gallen (Donegal), Darragh Canavan (Tyrone), Sam Mulroy (Louth), Diarmuid Murtagh (Roscommon)
PwC GAA/GPA Footballer of the Year nominees
Barry McCambridge (Armagh), Paul Conroy (Galway), John Maher (Galway)
PwC GAA/GPA Young Footballer of the Year nominees
Oisín Conaty (Armagh), Johnny McGrath (Galway), Ciarán Moore (Donegal)
Who'll win the awards IMO
Blaine Hughes (Armagh)
Aaron McKay (Armagh), Barry McCambridge (Armagh)Johnny McGrath (Galway), Dylan McHugh (Galway),Peadar Mogan (Donegal)Aidan Forker (Armagh) Niall Grimley (Armagh),Paul Conroy (Galway) Rian O'Neill (Armagh), Conor Turbitt (Armagh), Oisín Conaty (Armagh),John Maher (Galway),Oisín Gallen (Donegal), Sam Mulroy (Louth),
Oisín Conaty young footballer of the year and Barry McCambridge player of the year
I don't see any way Mogan or Mulroy get all stars for 2024.
McCole a much stronger Donegal candidate in defence and there are several better cases in attack than Mulroy.
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 19, 2024, 04:02:36 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on September 19, 2024, 02:40:36 PMQuote from: square_ball on September 19, 2024, 10:30:03 AMThought Stefan Campbell done enough to get a nomination but season feels like that long ago I can think of anyone else who should have made the cut.
Goalkeepers
Blaine Hughes (Armagh), Shaun Patton (Donegal), Niall Morgan (Tyrone)
Defenders
Aaron McKay (Armagh), Barry McCambridge (Armagh), Aidan Forker (Armagh), Paddy Burns (Armagh), Peadar Mogan (Donegal), Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Caolan McGonigle (Donegal), Brendan McCole (Donegal), Johnny McGrath (Galway), Dylan McHugh (Galway), Liam Silke (Galway), Craig Lennon (Louth), Donal McKenny (Louth), Brian Ó Beaglaioch (Kerry), Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry), Seán Bugler (Dublin), Brian Stack (Roscommon), Daniel O'Mahony (Cork)
Midfielders
Niall Grimley (Armagh), Ben Crealey (Armagh), Michael Langan (Donegal), Brian Fenton (Dublin), Tommy Durnin (Louth), Paul Conroy (Galway)
Forwards
Rian O'Neill (Armagh), Conor Turbitt (Armagh), Oisín Conaty (Armagh), Rory Grugan (Armagh), Cillian McDaid (Galway), John Maher (Galway), Rob Finnerty (Galway), Shane Walsh (Galway), David Clifford (Kerry), Paudie Clifford (Kerry), Con O'Callaghan (Dublin), Cormac Costello (Dublin), Ryan O'Donoghue (Mayo), Aidan O'Shea (Mayo), Oisín Gallen (Donegal), Darragh Canavan (Tyrone), Sam Mulroy (Louth), Diarmuid Murtagh (Roscommon)
PwC GAA/GPA Footballer of the Year nominees
Barry McCambridge (Armagh), Paul Conroy (Galway), John Maher (Galway)
PwC GAA/GPA Young Footballer of the Year nominees
Oisín Conaty (Armagh), Johnny McGrath (Galway), Ciarán Moore (Donegal)
Who'll win the awards IMO
Blaine Hughes (Armagh)
Aaron McKay (Armagh), Barry McCambridge (Armagh)Johnny McGrath (Galway), Dylan McHugh (Galway),Peadar Mogan (Donegal)Aidan Forker (Armagh) Niall Grimley (Armagh),Paul Conroy (Galway) Rian O'Neill (Armagh), Conor Turbitt (Armagh), Oisín Conaty (Armagh),John Maher (Galway),Oisín Gallen (Donegal), Sam Mulroy (Louth),
Oisín Conaty young footballer of the year and Barry McCambridge player of the year
I don't see any way Mogan or Mulroy get all stars for 2024.
McCole a much stronger Donegal candidate in defence and there are several better cases in attack than Mulroy.
Mogan was brilliant for Donegal this year. He was on the Sunday Game team of the year so I'd say he has a very good chance. The team picked by Captain Obvious won't be far away.
Hughes
McCambridge McKay McGrath
McHugh Forker Mogan
Conroy Crealey
Maher Rian Conaty
Turbo Gallen Mulroy?
Wasn't a vintage year for inside forwards and tbh Grugan has as good a chance as Gallen or Mulroy for me. Toss up with Crealey and Grimley, tbh I would have Conaty inside and Joe McElroy wing forward but he somehow wasn't nominated
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 19, 2024, 04:02:36 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on September 19, 2024, 02:40:36 PMQuote from: square_ball on September 19, 2024, 10:30:03 AMThought Stefan Campbell done enough to get a nomination but season feels like that long ago I can think of anyone else who should have made the cut.
Goalkeepers
Blaine Hughes (Armagh), Shaun Patton (Donegal), Niall Morgan (Tyrone)
Defenders
Aaron McKay (Armagh), Barry McCambridge (Armagh), Aidan Forker (Armagh), Paddy Burns (Armagh), Peadar Mogan (Donegal), Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Caolan McGonigle (Donegal), Brendan McCole (Donegal), Johnny McGrath (Galway), Dylan McHugh (Galway), Liam Silke (Galway), Craig Lennon (Louth), Donal McKenny (Louth), Brian Ó Beaglaioch (Kerry), Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry), Seán Bugler (Dublin), Brian Stack (Roscommon), Daniel O'Mahony (Cork)
Midfielders
Niall Grimley (Armagh), Ben Crealey (Armagh), Michael Langan (Donegal), Brian Fenton (Dublin), Tommy Durnin (Louth), Paul Conroy (Galway)
Forwards
Rian O'Neill (Armagh), Conor Turbitt (Armagh), Oisín Conaty (Armagh), Rory Grugan (Armagh), Cillian McDaid (Galway), John Maher (Galway), Rob Finnerty (Galway), Shane Walsh (Galway), David Clifford (Kerry), Paudie Clifford (Kerry), Con O'Callaghan (Dublin), Cormac Costello (Dublin), Ryan O'Donoghue (Mayo), Aidan O'Shea (Mayo), Oisín Gallen (Donegal), Darragh Canavan (Tyrone), Sam Mulroy (Louth), Diarmuid Murtagh (Roscommon)
PwC GAA/GPA Footballer of the Year nominees
Barry McCambridge (Armagh), Paul Conroy (Galway), John Maher (Galway)
PwC GAA/GPA Young Footballer of the Year nominees
Oisín Conaty (Armagh), Johnny McGrath (Galway), Ciarán Moore (Donegal)
Who'll win the awards IMO
Blaine Hughes (Armagh)
Aaron McKay (Armagh), Barry McCambridge (Armagh)Johnny McGrath (Galway), Dylan McHugh (Galway),Peadar Mogan (Donegal)Aidan Forker (Armagh) Niall Grimley (Armagh),Paul Conroy (Galway) Rian O'Neill (Armagh), Conor Turbitt (Armagh), Oisín Conaty (Armagh),John Maher (Galway),Oisín Gallen (Donegal), Sam Mulroy (Louth),
Oisín Conaty young footballer of the year and Barry McCambridge player of the year
I don't see any way Mogan or Mulroy get all stars for 2024.
McCole a much stronger Donegal candidate in defence and there are several better cases in attack than Mulroy.
Don't think there was as it was far from a vintage year for forwards with defenders and midfielders standing out more.
I'll be surprised if Louth reaching their first ever quarter final and running Dublin close don't win at at least one All Star and Mulroy was one of their stand out players
Quote from: bennydorano on August 17, 2024, 09:06:02 PMMy tuppence after watching the semis again
1. Blaine Hughes (Armagh) - every keeper made a howler bar him
2.Johnny McGrath (Galway)
3. McKay (Armagh)
4. Forker - to get him in somewhere & McCambridge misses out to get POTY
5.Dylan McHugh (Galway)
6.Silke (Galway)
7.Mogan (Donegal)
8. Paul Conroy (Galway)
9. Langan (Donegal)
10. Rian O'Neill (Armagh)
11. John Maher (Galway)
12. N Grimley (Armagh) - Conaty YPOTY
13.Oisin Gallen (Donegal)
14. Mulroy or Louth MFer
15. Conor Turbitt (Armagh)
reckon Louth will defo get one
Quote from: bennydorano on August 17, 2024, 09:06:02 PMMy tuppence after watching the semis again
1. Blaine Hughes (Armagh) - every keeper made a howler bar him
2.Johnny McGrath (Galway)
3. McKay (Armagh)
4. Forker - to get him in somewhere & McCambridge misses out to get POTY
5.Dylan McHugh (Galway)
6.Silke (Galway)
7.Mogan (Donegal)
8. Paul Conroy (Galway)
9. Langan (Donegal)
10. Rian O'Neill (Armagh)
11. John Maher (Galway)
12. N Grimley (Armagh) - Conaty YPOTY
13.Oisin Gallen (Donegal)
14. Mulroy or Louth MFer
15. Conor Turbitt (Armagh)
reckon Louth will defo get one
That was my opinion on the 17th August, today I'd say Paul Conroy is a cert for POTY and its not undeserved. 3 Donegal seems excessive to me today when Kerry have none in my team.
No disrespect to Conor Turbitt but really, an All star year! Maybe more to do with the lack of forwards in the game reserve days that an above average one gers an all star
Quote from: An Watcher on September 19, 2024, 04:52:37 PMNo disrespect to Conor Turbitt but really, an All star year! Maybe more to do with the lack of forwards in the game reserve days that an above average one gers an all star
Thought he was very good most of the year bar the final, the run in extra time for the fisted point against Kerry was unreal.
Quote from: An Watcher on September 19, 2024, 04:52:37 PMNo disrespect to Conor Turbitt but really, an All star year! Maybe more to do with the lack of forwards in the game reserve days that an above average one gers an all star
Top scorer from play in the All Ireland series and being talked about as a POTY contender before a quiet final. I felt his exclusion from the POTY short list is a bigger surprise than his inclusion in the All Star nomination list. That said it was very hard to separate 5 or 6 POTY candidates for me with no clear stand out
Quote from: David McKeown on September 19, 2024, 05:36:38 PMQuote from: An Watcher on September 19, 2024, 04:52:37 PMNo disrespect to Conor Turbitt but really, an All star year! Maybe more to do with the lack of forwards in the game reserve days that an above average one gers an all star
Top scorer from play in the All Ireland series and being talked about as a POTY contender before a quiet final. I felt his exclusion from the POTY short list is a bigger surprise than his inclusion in the All Star nomination list. That said it was very hard to separate 5 or 6 POTY candidates for me with no clear stand out
Yeah pre final i would have had him in the poty conversation with the 3 who were nominated plus Rian. Crealey and Grimley both up there as well
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 19, 2024, 05:43:43 PMQuote from: David McKeown on September 19, 2024, 05:36:38 PMQuote from: An Watcher on September 19, 2024, 04:52:37 PMNo disrespect to Conor Turbitt but really, an All star year! Maybe more to do with the lack of forwards in the game reserve days that an above average one gers an all star
Top scorer from play in the All Ireland series and being talked about as a POTY contender before a quiet final. I felt his exclusion from the POTY short list is a bigger surprise than his inclusion in the All Star nomination list. That said it was very hard to separate 5 or 6 POTY candidates for me with no clear stand out
Yeah pre final i would have had him in the poty conversation with the 3 who were nominated plus Rian. Crealey and Grimley both up there as well
I would have had Conaty in the reckoning. Quiet in the semi but man of the match in both the quarter final and final as well as a strong test of the season. Easy to put him in the Young Player bracket instead
You only have to look at what even gets POTY these days to see that the number of standout players is lower than it used to be.
Quote from: lurganblue on September 19, 2024, 12:40:59 PMQuote from: Estimator on September 19, 2024, 12:07:40 PMQuote from: Mario on September 19, 2024, 11:09:20 AMDerry, the league champions, the only quarter finalists without a nomination.
By my count there are 5 nominees from counties that didn't even make the QFs, plus 9 from beaten QFs.
From a Derry perspective I thought Baker might have been in with a shout. But I'd doubt if any of the 14 (total) from above will be close to getting an All-Star.
Surprised that Campbell wasn't nominated. Think Conaty is an easy winner of YPOTY, and two nominees from Galway might pave the way for McCambridge to pick up POTY.
I didnt expect him to make the 15 but not to be included in the nominations is a very poor omission IMO.
Kileavey could pay for that this weekend. Not sure he should have got an all start but definetly worth a nomination.
From the list certainly he was more deserving that murtagh, aidan o shea, ROD at least imo.
Rian O'Neill (Armagh), Conor Turbitt (Armagh), Oisín Conaty (Armagh), Rory Grugan (Armagh), Cillian McDaid (Galway), John Maher (Galway), Rob Finnerty (Galway), Shane Walsh (Galway), David Clifford (Kerry), Paudie Clifford (Kerry), Con O'Callaghan (Dublin), Cormac Costello (Dublin), Ryan O'Donoghue (Mayo), Aidan O'Shea (Mayo), Oisín Gallen (Donegal), Darragh Canavan (Tyrone), Sam Mulroy (Louth), Diarmuid Murtagh (Roscommon)
Pat Spillane's 2024 All-Star Team
1. Blaine Hughes, Armagh (17 games, 14 clean sheets)
2. Aaron McKay, Armagh (Armagh's best defender all year)
3. Barry McCambridge, Armagh (Brilliant man-marker - also scored 2-5; that goal v Kerry was icing on the cake)
4. Johnny McGrath, Galway (Most consistent man-marking defender in league and championship)
5. Peadar Mogan, Donegal (Attacking wing back who scored 0-13 in this year's championship)
6. Aidan Forker, Armagh (A true inspirational leader)
7. Dylan McHugh, Galway (Mr Consistency, but a subdued final could cost him player of the year)
8. Paul Conroy, Galway (Inspirational for a man of 35, scored 2-16 from play)
9. Ben Crealey, Armagh (The assist to Campbell for McKay's goal, and that vital late turnover on Cillian McDaid)
10. Sam Mulroy, Louth (My wild card, the second highest scorer in the championship with 3-43)
11. John Maher, Galway (Powerful, strong runner - great year)
12. OisÍn Conaty, Armagh (Man of the match in the final with 0-3, 0-13 in the championship - great pace)
13. OisÍn Gallen, Donegal (Third highest championship scorer with 2-33, 1-15 from play)
14. Rian O'Neill, Armagh (Came good at the business end and such a versatile player)
15. Conor Turbitt, Armagh (Up to the final was in player of the year form, scored 3-22)
Hard enough to argue with any of his picks tbh.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 03, 2024, 05:47:41 PMHard enough to argue with any of his picks tbh.
Including what he called the worst inside forward line in the history of the All Stars ?
Quote from: David McKeown on October 03, 2024, 06:34:56 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 03, 2024, 05:47:41 PMHard enough to argue with any of his picks tbh.
Including what he called the worst inside forward line in the history of the All Stars ?
Hard for forwards to shine the state of the game now. PS: who is the inside forward line? Seriously...
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 03, 2024, 07:12:07 PMQuote from: David McKeown on October 03, 2024, 06:34:56 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 03, 2024, 05:47:41 PMHard enough to argue with any of his picks tbh.
Including what he called the worst inside forward line in the history of the All Stars ?
Hard for forwards to shine the state of the game now. PS: who is the inside forward line? Seriously...
Rian probably as good a player as I've seen in a long time and can play full forward not a problem but didn't this year at all.
Game is changed now for better or worse- best way to curtail a forward like Clifford or Walsh is how we did this year, cut the supply as much as possible, get bodies around them and get a sticky huer who can also go forward and make them have to work back like McCambridge did so well this year.
I would say as good a talent rather than as good a player. I still think he could be 20-30% better if he got his attitude right.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 03, 2024, 09:25:37 PMI would say as good a talent rather than as good a player. I still think he could be 20-30% better if he got his attitude right.
I dunno.
I mean, how much fitter / stronger can a man get than where Rian is now?
So what you're talking about surely has to then focus on the mental side of the game.
And I do wonder, would that increased focus make him more robotic or more flamboyant? I reckon the former.
f**k that. We've enough of them running around our sport.
I think Rian is the best player in the country right now. He should have been in the POTY reckoning and I'd have bet on him.
He didn't have a vintage year for various reasons but without him, Armagh are half the team they are.
Would have had him in my top 3 for poty but can't begrudge any of the 3 nominated who all had super years.
For me it's not even his talent which he has in abundance, it's his leadership skills, work rate and versatility that stands out.
Look at the big moments- the free against Galway 2 years ago, the catch vs Kerry this year on his own goal line, last year vs Monaghan the screamer he scored that should have won the game, his points at times this year when we were under pressure particularly against Galway in the group game, unreal stuff.
Quote from: thewobbler on October 03, 2024, 11:23:33 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on October 03, 2024, 09:25:37 PMI would say as good a talent rather than as good a player. I still think he could be 20-30% better if he got his attitude right.
I dunno.
I mean, how much fitter / stronger can a man get than where Rian is now?
So what you're talking about surely has to then focus on the mental side of the game.
And I do wonder, would that increased focus make him more robotic or more flamboyant? I reckon the former.
f**k that. We've enough of them running around our sport.
Nothing to do with fitness or strength. When he switches on he's as good as anyone but he drifts in and out. Great player but I honestly think there's a good bit more in him.
Breheny is at the lists already.....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaelic-footballs-greatest-players-of-all-time-ranked-in-every-position-from-goalkeeper-to-left-corner-forward/a535096509.html
Can anyone post thus article on here as can't access and looks a good read
Quote from: Rossfan on October 05, 2024, 09:36:12 AMBreheny is at the lists already.....
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaelic-footballs-greatest-players-of-all-time-ranked-in-every-position-from-goalkeeper-to-left-corner-forward/a535096509.html
What age is Breheny? 160? Lazy nonsense that. And if he insists on doing lists should be players in his living memory...
Quote from: An Watcher on October 05, 2024, 12:23:04 PMCan anyone post thus article on here as can't access and looks a good read
Gaelic football's greatest players of all time ranked in every position – from goalkeeper to left corner-forward
In an extract from a new book, Pulse of the Nation: GAA 140 Years Rankings, Ratings, Tales & Drama, Martin Breheny and Donal Keenan reveal the best footballers across the pitch from one to 15
"Never underestimate the power of dreams and the influence
of the human spirit. We are all the same in this notion. The potential for greatness lives within each of us."
– Wilma Rudolph, who in Rome in 1960 became the first American female athlete to win three gold medals in a single Olympic Games.
Who is the greatest? It's a question that has intrigued sports fans through the ages, with opinions as varied as the numbers answering.
Whether adjudicating on current or past players or a mixture of both, answering is a highly subjective matter – especially when teams are involved. Even in an individual sport, like athletics, where performances are measurable, it's impossible to be definitive when comparing athletes from different eras.
World records continue to tumble, but are the athletes individually better than their predecessors?
Roger Bannister's achievement in breaking the four-minute barrier for the mile in 1954 will always be feted, but a similar run now would leave an athlete a long way behind the winner.
At face value, that puts the modern generation of athletes – and, indeed, all those who improved on that sub-four-minute over the past 70 years – ahead of Bannister. But it's not that straightforward.
Professionalism, better training methods and equipment, improved body conditioning and nutrition, better running tracks, psychological advances, plus other aids have all combined to help athletes run faster. What if those advantages could be superimposed on Bannister's natural talent? Would he be quicker than all the rest right up to today? The same applies to other sports, including Gaelic games.
Assessing players from different generations creates two camps. A younger generation tends to look at the past as largely crude and unsophisticated compared to modern times.
While an older generation asserts that there was more substance – certainly in Gaelic football – to games in the past and that it has been replaced by a robotic structure, high on organisation and imitation, and low on individualism, head-to-head contests, risk-taking and excitement.
In all probability, the truth rests in between the two.
Requirements for players have certainly changed over the years, but the basic texture of football and hurling has remained the same. It's still about goals and points – scoring as many and conceding as few as possible.
The means of achieving both objectives have evolved and changed, but top players would be good in any era. So how do you compare and evaluate them?
For this exercise, we drew on our own experiences of watching games for over half a century. Of course, that wasn't enough in an organisation that is 140 years old.
To bring players from as far back as possible into the mix, we also drew on the opinions of the media correspondents who covered the games.
Given that media coverage of Gaelic games was sketchy and haphazard for many years, it's nearly impossible to find reliable guides to player prowess for the association's earlier years. However, as coverage expanded, more emphasis was placed on highlighting individual excellence.
We absorbed as much of the earlier coverage as we could and mixed it with the ever-increasing analysis from the 1930s onwards – we rely on our own opinions for the past 50 years. Pulling all the strands together, we have come up with a one-to-ten ranking across each position in football and hurling.
Given that we have watched all the players for the past half century, there may be a leaning towards that timespan, but as far as was possible, we have been mindful of what went before – we have not neglected the early years.
How football in particular has changed made comparisons from different eras very difficult. For instance, before 1960, goalkeepers fouled the ball if they touched it on the ground in the square. It called for a different skill set to what followed when that rule was abolished.
The requirements for outfield players have changed over the years, too. The demands on a modern-day full-back are completely different to what they were even 20 years ago. Back then – and previously, too – a player needed to be big, strong and assertive.
Aerial bombardments were frequent, so the full-back needed to have an imposing presence, capable of making high, spectacular catches, while also repelling ground offensives.
Right throughout the field, individual battles were waged. It was largely 14 versus 14 outfield contests, unlike today when, to a large degree, systems and structures supersede individual expertise. We have tried to take all that into account when compiling our rankings.
Another factor, which added to the challenge, involved versatility and the ability of players to excel in a variety of areas.
Many played in several positions in defence or attack; others switched from defence to attack, or vice versa, during their careers, while midfielders have always had a wide range of qualities.
The most versatile performer is at a disadvantage in positional rankings. It's a tribute to their adaptability, but they tend to lose out against those whose careers were spent in one position.
But then, this is not an exact science. It is an attempt to put the comparative talents of players in some order. Restricting it to 10 in each position made it all the more difficult – suffice to say, many great exponents of football and hurling have been omitted.
As for those who made the lists, their status as players whose standards reached incredible heights is unquestionable.
GOALKEEPER
1. Stephen Cluxton (Dublin) Who would have thought when he made his senior championship debut against Longford in the 2001 Leinster quarter-final that Cluxton would become one of the most enduring and inspiring players in GAA history? His influence goes beyond basic goalkeeping techniques, which he took to a new level, and extends to preparation, leadership, application and mental toughness. Add to all that a longevity few achieve in any sport, local or international.
2. Dan O'Keeffe (Kerry)
3. Martin Furlong (Offaly)
4. John O'Leary (Dublin)
5. Johnny Geraghty (Galway)
6. Billy Morgan (Cork)
7. Paddy Cullen (Dublin)
8. Aidan Brady (Roscommon)
9. David Clarke (Mayo)
10. Brian McAlinden (Armagh)
RIGHT FULL-BACK
1. Enda Colleran (Galway) Colleran's star quality was first spotted in 1960 as a member of a minor team that won that year's All-Ireland title. Several of the team went on to feature in Galway's triple senior success in 1964, 1965 and 1966. Colleran was captain for the 1965 and 1966 seasons when his leadership qualities were very much in evidence. His excellence was recognised in 1984 when he was chosen on the Team of the Century and, in 2000, when he was selected on the Team of the Millennium.
2. Robbie O'Malley (Meath)
3. Páidí Ó Sé (Kerry)
4. Marc Ó Sé (Kerry)
5. Harry Keegan (Roscommon)
6. Donie O'Sullivan (Kerry)
7. Jimmy Deenihan (Kerry)
8. Willie Casey (Mayo)
9. Paddy McCormack (Offaly)
10. Gabriel Kelly (Cavan)
FULL-BACK
1. John O'Keeffe (Kerry) It said much about his maturity that at 19, John O'Keeffe was at centre-back when Kerry won the All-Ireland title in 1970. Two years later, he was at midfield when they lost to Offaly in a replayed final. These experiences broadened his knowledge, and he adapted well when he relocated to full-back, as Kerry embarked on a history-making run under Mick O'Dwyer in 1975. O'Keeffe brought style and guile to the many demands of the position at a time when its role was evolving. He won four All-Star awards at full-back and one at midfield. 2. Paddy O'Brien (Meath)
3. Joe Keohane (Kerry)
4. Noel Tierney (Galway)
5. Jack Quinn (Meath)
6. Darren Fay (Meath)
7. Paddy Prendergast (Mayo)
8. Mick Lyons (Meath)
9. Steven O'Brien (Cork)
10. Eddie Boyle (Louth)
LEFT FULL-BACK
1. Seán Flanagan (Mayo) Chosen at left full-back on the GAA's Team of the Century in 1984 and on the Team of the Millennium in 2000, Seán Flanagan's reputation as a defender of outstanding ability was based on a career that saw him captain Mayo to successive All-Ireland titles in 1950 and 1951. His influence on team affairs extended beyond playing, having also taken a significant role in training the squad and matchday tactics. Clearly, he was a man ahead of his time.
2. Keith Higgins (Mayo)
3. Robbie Kelleher (Dublin)
4. Michael Fitzsimons (Dublin)
5. Tony Scullion (Derry)
6. Graham Canty (Cork)
7. Kevin Kehilly (Cork)
8. Tom O'Hare (Down)
9. Conor Gormley (Tyrone)
10. John McKnight (Armagh)
RIGHT HALF-BACK
1. Tomás Ó Sé (Kerry) There wasn't a more encouraging sight for Kerry supporters than Tomás Ó Sé powering upfield from right half-back, soloing the ball with a controlled technique few of his peers could match. Quite often, it ended with him kicking a point. His capacity to make those breaks when his side needed them most was invaluable. He was equally efficient in defensive duties during a career that yielded five All-Ireland senior titles and five All-Star awards between 2000 and 2009.
2. James McCarthy (Dublin)
3. Lee Keegan (Mayo)
4. Séamus Moynihan (Kerry)
5. Seán Murphy (Kerry)
6. Tommy Drumm (Dublin)
7. Niall Cahalane (Cork)
8. Paul Curran (Dublin)
9. Brian McEniff (Donegal)
10. Eugene Mulligan (Offaly)
CENTRE HALF-BACK
1. John Joe O'Reilly (Cavan) Revered in song and story, John Joe O'Reilly's name has an iconic ring – and not just in Cavan, with whom he won two All-Ireland titles in 1947 and 1948 (both as captain). A noted sprinter and basketballer, he brought many of the requirements from those disciplines into his football. His approach to the No 6 role was ahead of its time, especially the expertise he brought to tackling. He was chosen on the Teams of the Century (1984) and Team of the Millennium (2000). Sadly, he died in 1952 at the age of 34.
2. Kieran McGeeney (Armagh)
3. Gerry O'Malley (Roscommon)
4. Glenn Ryan (Kildare)
5. Tim Kennelly (Kerry)
6. Dan McCartan (Down)
7. Karl Lacey (Donegal)
8. Bill Casey (Kerry)
9. Paddy Moriarty (Armagh)
10. Cian O'Sullivan (Dublin)
LEFT HALF-BACK
1. Martin O'Connell (Meath) Martin O'Connell's career may have featured him in attack at times, but it was as a left half-back that he made the biggest impression over many years, including in 1987 and 1988 when Meath won the All- Ireland two-in-a-row. Chosen at No 7 on the Team of the Millennium in 2000, O'Connell won All-Star awards in that position in 1988, 1990 and 1991, before adding a fourth at left full-back in 1996, when he was also chosen as Footballer of the Year, having won a third All-Ireland medal.
2. Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)
3. Philip Jordan (Tyrone)
4. Paudie Lynch (Kerry)
5. Stephen White (Louth)
6. Colm Boyle (Mayo)
7. Jim McDonnell (Cavan)
8. Pat Reynolds (Meath)
9. Seán Óg de Paor (Galway)
10. Jim Reilly (Cavan)
MIDFIELD
1. Jack O'Shea (Kerry) Jack O'Shea was the complete package: seven All-Ireland senior medals, four Footballer of the Year awards in six seasons, six successive All-Star awards, 11 All-Star nominations and chosen on the GAA's Team of the Century in 1984. That's quite a haul for a man whose inter-county career ran from 1976 to 1992. A superb fielder, an accurate kicker and a smart reader of the game, he also had limitless energy, which he used effectively all over the pitch.
2. Mick O'Connell (Kerry) It's unfortunate more footage of Mick O'Connell's exploits aren't available in the archives, since his career ran from the 1950s to the 1970s. Despite that, he was known everywhere as a real superstar, due mainly to his exceptional fielding skills and accurate kicking. Footballer of the Year in 1962, he won an All-Star award in 1972 and was chosen on both the GAA Team of the Century (1984) and Team of the Millennium (2000).
3. Brian Fenton (Dublin)
4. Brian Mullins (Dublin)
5. Darragh Ó Sé (Kerry)
6. Tommy Murphy (Laois)
7. Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone)
8. Dermot Earley (Roscommon)
9. Paddy Kennedy (Kerry)
10. Willie Bryan (Offaly)
11. Anthony Tohill (Derry)
12. Pádraig Carney (Mayo)
13. John McDermott (Meath)
14. Jim McKeever (Derry)
15. Joe Kernan (Armagh)
16. Gerry McEntee (Meath)
17. Kevin Walsh (Galway)
18. Colm McAlarney (Down)
19. Peter McGinnity (Fermanagh)
20. John Galvin (Limerick)
RIGHT HALF-FORWARD
1. Seán O'Neill (Down) During a 16-year inter-county career, Seán O'Neill displayed speed, a remarkable range of skills and on-field intelligence that were central to Down's successes. He was right half-forward on the first Down team to win an All-Ireland senior title in 1960 and when they retained it in 1961. They won a third in 1968, with O'Neill at full-forward, a performance that contributed to his Footballer of the Year award. He won eight Ulster titles, three National Leagues, eight Railway Cups, plus two All-Star awards.
2. Maurice Fitzgerald (Kerry)
3. Trevor Giles (Meath)
4. Anton O'Toole (Dublin)
5. Ger Power (Kerry)
6. Ja Fallon (Galway)
7. Paul Mannion (Dublin)
8. Brian Dooher (Tyrone)
9. Barney Rock (Dublin)
10. Seán O'Connell (Derry)
CENTRE HALF-FORWARD
1. Seán Purcell (Galway) When people debate who is the greatest footballer of all time, Seán Purcell's name is always prominent. 'The Master', as he was known in Galway, was an outstanding full-back, midfielder and centre half-forward, the position he played when he won his only All-Ireland senior medal in 1956. He won six Connacht championships, a National League in 1957 and three Railway Cup medals with Connacht. He was
chosen on both the Team of the Century (1984) and the Team of the Millennium (2000).
2. Larry Tompkins (Kildare and Cork)
3. Michael Murphy (Donegal)
4. Mattie McDonagh (Galway)
5. Jimmy 'Jamesie' Murray (Roscommon)
6. Eugene McKenna (Tyrone)
7. Martin McHugh (Donegal)
8. Greg Blaney (Down)
9. Tony Hanahoe (Dublin)
10. Declan O'Sullivan (Kerry)
LEFT HALF-FORWARD
1. Pat Spillane (Kerry) The Spillanes and their extended family were football royalty in Kerry. Pat was 'The King'. Possessed with wonderful natural ability, he had a huge work ethic in games, on the training ground and in the gym. He won the first of eight All-Ireland medals in 1975; the last three were consecutive from 1984 to 1986 and arrived after he recovered from a career-threatening knee injury. Twice Footballer of the Year in 1978 and 1986, his career as a pundit has been equally successful.
2. Matt Connor (Offaly)
3. Mickey Kearins (Sligo)
4. Michael Donnellan (Galway)
5. Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin)
6. Paddy Doherty (Down)
7. Tony McTague (Offaly)
8. Séamus Leydon (Galway)
9. Kevin O'Brien (Wicklow)
10. Declan Browne (Tipperary)
RIGHT FULL-FORWARD
1. David Clifford (Kerry) The rise of a superstar: in 2016, David Clifford scored 2-5 for St Brendan's, Killarney in the All-Ireland Colleges final; in 2017, he scored 4-4 for Kerry in the All-Ireland minor final, winning his second medal in the grade. He moved to the senior grade where he has improved on each passing year. His range of skills seems never-ending and some of his exploits have been breathtaking. He won his fifth All-Star in 2023 at the age of just 24.
2. Mikey Sheehy (Kerry)
3. Colm Cooper (Kerry)
4. Colm O'Rourke (Meath)
5. Alan Brogan (Dublin)
6. Steven McDonnell (Armagh)
7. Eugene 'Nudie' Hughes (Monaghan)
8. Charlie Gallagher (Cavan)
9. Mickey Linden (Down)
10. Dessie Dolan (Westmeath)
FULL-FORWARD
1. Peter Canavan (Tyrone) Possessed of all the skills, accompanied by a vision that enabled him to pick out passes most others would not see, and with an instinct for scores, Peter Canavan enjoyed a career that lasted for 15 years. He captained Tyrone to two All-Ireland Under-21 titles in 1991 and 1992 and won the first of six All-Star awards in 1994. Despite injury, he was an inspirational figure when captaining Tyrone to their first All-Ireland senior title in 2003 and added a second two years later.
2. Tom Langan (Mayo)
3. Pádraic Joyce (Galway)
4. Eoin 'Bomber' Liston (Kerry)
5. Frank Stockwell (Galway)
6. Jimmy Keaveney (Dublin)
7. Con O'Callaghan (Dublin)
8. Paddy Moclair (Mayo)
9. Kieran Donaghy (Kerry)
10. Frank McGuigan (Tyrone)
LEFT FULL-FORWARD
1. Kevin Heffernan (Dublin) Most famous in modern times as the managerial architect of the dramatic Dublin revival in the mid-1970s, Kevin Heffernan's hugely successful career as a player is sometimes overlooked. In a 14-year senior career (1948–1962), he played 115 league and championship games with Dublin, scoring 52–226. His sharp tactical brain brought an added dimension. An All-Ireland winner as Dublin captain in 1958, he was a regular on Leinster teams, winning seven Railway Cup medals. He was selected on both the Team of the Century (1984) and Team of the Millennium (2000).
2. Mick O'Dwyer (Kerry)
3. John Egan (Kerry)
4. Bernard Brogan Jnr (Dublin)
5. Stephen O'Neill (Tyrone)
6. Tony McManus (Roscommon)
7. Packie McGarty (Leitrim)
8. Conor McManus (Monaghan)
9. Bernard Flynn (Meath)
10. Matty Forde (Wexford)
I suppose is all opinion and will engender debate. What's the criterion for a best player? For years of service and awards won Peter Canavan all day a great player... for natural genius and who I'd chose to go see play... full forward has to be Frank McGuigan... 🤷
Surely gooch over Clifford, although that could change in a few years
FS Matt Connor better than Canavan, McGuigan, Gooch and Clifford
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 05, 2024, 04:55:07 PMFS Matt Connor better than Canavan, McGuigan, Gooch and Clifford
Matt Connor was class... better than McGuigan? 😆
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 05, 2024, 07:28:37 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on October 05, 2024, 04:55:07 PMFS Matt Connor better than Canavan, McGuigan, Gooch and Clifford
Matt Connor was class... better than McGuigan? 😆
Matt Connor was the best forward I've seen and was such a shame his career was cut so short.
What age are some of you boys ffs. How do you judge the likes of Matt Connor, from the 1 or 2 games you saw of him on TV for a period of a few years in the 80s??? Especially as its coming from Northern bollixes as well, dare say there wasn't too many watching the Leinster championship or Offaly club scene.
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 05, 2024, 07:35:21 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 05, 2024, 07:28:37 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on October 05, 2024, 04:55:07 PMFS Matt Connor better than Canavan, McGuigan, Gooch and Clifford
Matt Connor was class... better than McGuigan? 😆
Matt Connor was the best forward I've seen and was such a shame his career was cut so short.
We'll agree to disagree! He was a brilliant player tho... I saw them both live, Connor & McGuigan, more than once!
Bernard Brogan ahead of Stephen O'Neill lol.
Geezer at no2 on the list of centre half backs. Even the armagh ones would laugh at that
Always think that Down goalie, Neil Collins, in early 90s is unfairly overlooked in these sort if things. Very consistent and reliable keeper.
Barry Owens the Fermanagh full back I always rated as a rolls Royce of a footballer, I never saw him have a poor game.
Ye lot wouldn't be happy unless he only named 150 6 Cos players.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 06, 2024, 09:53:47 AMYe lot wouldn't be happy unless he only named 150 6 Cos players.
Even that wouldn't make up for all the years of abuse about Ulster and puke football :P
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 05, 2024, 04:55:07 PMFS Matt Connor better than Canavan, McGuigan, Gooch and Clifford
No way Clifford should be there. At this moment in time
Clifford has been in the public eye at 16 in the Kerry Minor team in 2016. He has been a shooting the lights out consistently for 9 years at inter-county minor and senior.
No Ciarán McDonald. Probably overseen as he never won a Senior Intercounty All Ireland.
There is that much wrong with it that you wouldn't know where to start.
Morgan and Beggan are better than most of those goalkeepers on that list for a start.
Quote from: The Trap on October 06, 2024, 11:17:33 AMThere is that much wrong with it that you wouldn't know where to start.
Ahh it's only a Breheny list.
Hell have a similar hurley stuff list shortly.
He's just filling in his time between the AI Finals and the start of the National Leagues.
He ignores the thousands of Club games in between.
I've 46 years of watching Gaelic games. Most players I never seen play as only highlights of Provincial finals, and full games of Semi-finals and Finals were on the TV. In the 70's 80's and early 90's I could not tell you how good Westmeath were. Who were their good players. I doubt I even knew what colour Jerseys they wore. My first 9 years (1978-1986) of watching Football were spent watching Kerry in the main hammering teams.
Not a fan of these lists stuff. People always talk about how more fit todays players are today, but their opponents are fit also. Just like less fitter players in the past played against less fit opponents in the past. So you have a level playing field so to speak in every era.
There is always a romance when looking back, time plays tricks with the memory.
Quote from: square_ball on October 06, 2024, 11:28:13 AMMorgan and Beggan are better than most of those goalkeepers on that list for a start.
Indeed....Cluxton and Morgan being the 2 best.
Anyone saying Clifford shouldn't be in the mix is in need of being sectioned ASAP, do not pass go, do not collect 200 quid
Well Done Barry, Aidan, Ben, Rian, Oisin and Conor.
Blaine and Aaron were robbed, the goalkeeper one especially is a farce.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 31, 2024, 07:00:14 AMWell Done Barry, Aidan, Ben, Rian, Oisin and Conor.
Blaine and Aaron were robbed, the goalkeeper one especially is a farce.
Agreed
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Just can't get my head around turbitt getting one but it's as much to do with the modern game than anything else. Forwards get it tough and any forward who is half decent gets an all star. Changed times
Hard to take that team seriously with no Hughes or McKay.
I don't think Morgan in nets is overly controversial. He's the best about currently. McKay was always touch and go. I think mainly it's a fair enough team tbh.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 31, 2024, 08:10:43 AMI don't think Morgan in nets is overly controversial. He's the best about currently. McKay was always touch and go. I think mainly it's a fair enough team tbh.
Morgans the best about but he hadn't the best year. Blaine didn't put a foot wrong all year and played the final on one leg.
Thought McKay was probably our best player across the whole year or definitely up there. Obviously Barry was unreal in the latter stages.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 31, 2024, 08:10:43 AMI don't think Morgan in nets is overly controversial. He's the best about currently. McKay was always touch and go. I think mainly it's a fair enough team tbh.
Whilst I can get on board with the concept that a team's unexpectedly strong championship performance can be traced to exceptional individual play, I really cannot get my head around how a team can underperform despite individual excellence.
Morgan must have got his for his league performances. You know, against Dublin.
Mogan had a good year but shoe horning him in at corner back in place of McKay was unfair. If they wanted to get him in the team put him at 7 instead of Lennon. Morgan is the best keeper in ireland for sure but him get the all star over Blaine shouldn't have happened(In that case just give Clifford and Fenton an all star every year) Morgans team was out out in preliminary quarter final and Hughes was excellent all year in the best team in Ireland that year.
Quote from: statto on October 31, 2024, 08:24:56 AMMogan had a good year but shoe horning him in at corner back in place of McKay was unfair. If they wanted to get him in the team put him at 7 instead of Lennon. Morgan is the best keeper in ireland for sure but him get the all star over Blaine shouldn't have happened(In that case just give Clifford and Fenton an all star every year) Morgans team was out out in preliminary quarter final and Hughes was excellent all year in the best team in Ireland that year.
100% agree. His team out in Ulster semi too and average enough league so it's not as if there's even provincial honours to back up his award. Very strange award.
Not sure about Morgan or the other Louth lad, both were out early doors. Maybe abit spread out but if they going look at the entire year, they need be doing that every year.
Mulroy is maybe unlucky. Wrong Louth guy perhaps...
The recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour
Quote from: scout on October 31, 2024, 08:50:10 AMThe recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour
And that all the other keepers were middling enough.
Novelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.
But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.
6 games, 5 clean sheets.
Another excellent year out the field.
Morgan not a bad shout.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 31, 2024, 08:42:59 AMMulroy is maybe unlucky. Wrong Louth guy perhaps...
He isn't getting near that half forward line. Maybe for one of the inside forwards.
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 31, 2024, 09:03:17 AM6 games, 5 clean sheets.
Another excellent year out the field.
Morgan not a bad shout.
This may be odd from an Armagh man but I really like Morgan. Great keeper. I just don't think he was the best this year and combine that with Tyrone's poor year overall i don't think he should have got it over Hughes. The recent inter provincials could have played a part too.
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 31, 2024, 09:11:28 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on October 31, 2024, 09:03:17 AM6 games, 5 clean sheets.
Another excellent year out the field.
Morgan not a bad shout.
This may be odd from an Armagh man but I really like Morgan. Great keeper. I just don't think he was the best this year and combine that with Tyrone's poor year overall i don't think he should have got it over Hughes. The recent inter provincials could have played a part too.
Yeah agree with this. Morgan is a serious footballer but didnt deserve it over Blaine.
Soupy and Joe McElroy not even getting nominated told me all I need to know anyway.
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 31, 2024, 09:03:17 AM6 games, 5 clean sheets.
Another excellent year out the field.
Morgan not a bad shout.
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 31, 2024, 09:03:17 AM6 games, 5 clean sheets.
Another excellent year out the field.
Morgan not a bad shout.
Cluxton had 6 clean sheets out of 7 maybe he should have got instead?
Quote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 08:57:35 AMNovelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.
But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.
Everyone keeps saying 'team'... These are individual awards. Morgan in the games he played was by a distance the best keeper in the country
Quote from: statto on October 31, 2024, 09:16:18 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on October 31, 2024, 09:03:17 AM6 games, 5 clean sheets.
Another excellent year out the field.
Morgan not a bad shout.
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 31, 2024, 09:03:17 AM6 games, 5 clean sheets.
Another excellent year out the field.
Morgan not a bad shout.
Cluxton had 6 clean sheets out of 7 maybe he should have got instead?
Not sure clean sheets as a measure of performance means anything in Gaelic, you could have a clean sheet and not saved a shot
Quote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 09:24:28 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 08:57:35 AMNovelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.
But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.
Everyone keeps saying 'team'... These are individual awards. Morgan in the games he played was by a distance the best keeper in the country
He was probaly the best at everything bar stopping the ball from going into the goals.
Quote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 09:24:28 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 08:57:35 AMNovelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.
But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.
Everyone keeps saying 'team'... These are individual awards. Morgan in the games he played was by a distance the best keeper in the country
For me in the games he played, he showed he was the best keeper. His impact on outfield play is unrivalled, as his passing is up there with the top 4-5 players in the country.
That said, due to the untimely demise of his county team, I can see why people don't think he maybe played enough to deserve it this year. Can see both sides tbf.
Quote from: An Watcher on October 31, 2024, 07:12:00 AMJust can't get my head around turbitt getting one but it's as much to do with the modern game than anything else. Forwards get it tough and any forward who is half decent gets an all star. Changed times
The top scorer in the all Ireland series was he not?
I mentioned this before, but as the year goes on, players are exposed to better teams they are going to be more susceptible to making mistakes and pitted against better opposition that would question their all star credentials.
I feel Morgan falls into this category. As good as he was in the games he may have played, the only tough games they got were Donegal and Roscommon in the AI series, both of which they lost.
Tyrone beat Cavan (aet), Clare and Cork and have an all star, lost to any good team they played, laughable decision to give any Tyrone player an all star.
Quote from: An Watcher on October 31, 2024, 07:12:00 AMJust can't get my head around turbitt getting one but it's as much to do with the modern game than anything else. Forwards get it tough and any forward who is half decent gets an all star. Changed times
Proves the point I just made around Morgan. Turbitt didn't have the best game and was well shackled against top opposition and was hooked off in the final.
Had he not performed in the semi or quarter finals he most likely wouldn't have gotten one. But he did perform, and his inclusion was fair in my opinion.
Quote from: Mario on October 31, 2024, 09:50:47 AMTyrone beat Cavan (aet), Clare and Cork and have an all star, lost to any good team they played, laughable decision to give any Tyrone player an all star.
Brolly got one in 96.....
Was talking to a journalist there and he said he voted for Morgan just to wind the Armagh ones up.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on October 31, 2024, 09:54:42 AMQuote from: An Watcher on October 31, 2024, 07:12:00 AMJust can't get my head around turbitt getting one but it's as much to do with the modern game than anything else. Forwards get it tough and any forward who is half decent gets an all star. Changed times
Proves the point I just made around Morgan. Turbitt didn't have the best game and was well shackled against top opposition and was hooked off in the final.
Had he not performed in the semi or quarter finals he most likely wouldn't have gotten one. But he did perform, and his inclusion was fair in my opinion.
I thought Turbitt was superb this season, was one of the primary reasons Armagh got to the final, and was in the running for POTY at that point. That has to count.
Quote from: David McKeown on October 31, 2024, 09:43:54 AMQuote from: An Watcher on October 31, 2024, 07:12:00 AMJust can't get my head around turbitt getting one but it's as much to do with the modern game than anything else. Forwards get it tough and any forward who is half decent gets an all star. Changed times
The top scorer in the all Ireland series was he not?
Brilliant all year but had a poor final. Totally deserving.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2024, 10:00:23 AMQuote from: Mario on October 31, 2024, 09:50:47 AMTyrone beat Cavan (aet), Clare and Cork and have an all star, lost to any good team they played, laughable decision to give any Tyrone player an all star.
Brolly got one in 96.....
Did Derry not win the league in '96 ?
Put it this way, had Kerry pipped Armagh in the semi-final, would the inclusion of Turbitt in the selection have been controversial?
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 31, 2024, 10:05:44 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2024, 10:00:23 AMQuote from: Mario on October 31, 2024, 09:50:47 AMTyrone beat Cavan (aet), Clare and Cork and have an all star, lost to any good team they played, laughable decision to give any Tyrone player an all star.
Brolly got one in 96.....
Did Derry not win the league in '96 ?
And? I don't see Mario mentioning any league games.
Quote from: ONeill on October 31, 2024, 10:02:11 AMWas talking to a journalist there and he said he voted for Morgan just to wind the Armagh ones up.
Well believe it lol. Maybe we should do the Madrid and boycott the whole thing in protest.
Quote from: J70 on October 31, 2024, 10:07:11 AMPut it this way, had Kerry pipped Armagh in the semi-final, would the inclusion of Turbitt in the selection have been controversial?
Exactly. He was in poty form pre final.
Not controversial at all... Sure Finnerty basically didn't play the final and McHugh was great all year until final. Morgan maybe controversial ok but Turbitt not controversial at all. Sure a lot of people had him in running for POTY for a long time.
6 all stars and Sam. Think we would have settled for that 6 months ago
Quote from: haveaharp on October 31, 2024, 10:23:09 AM6 all stars and Sam. Think we would have settled for that 6 months ago
100%. It sounds like Armagh wanted all the All Stars.
A number of strange selections for me.
Hughes was superb and pivotal to Armagh this year. Morgan is a great player but was untested at the business end of the championship.
Strange the criticism of Turbit but not of Finnerty for the same reason.
Mulroy, McKay, Grimley unlucky to miss out.
Also surprised to see Conaty win one. Not because he didn't deserve it but just because they often use the young player of the year as an extra all star and I think he will win young player of the year this year.
Quote from: David McKeown on October 31, 2024, 10:25:02 AMA number of strange selections for me.
Hughes was superb and pivotal to Armagh this year. Morgan is a great player but was untested at the business end of the championship.
Strange the criticism of Turbit but not of Finnerty for the same reason.
Mulroy, McKay, Grimley unlucky to miss out.
Also surprised to see Conaty win one. Not because he didn't deserve it but just because they often use the young player of the year as an extra all star and I think he will win young player of the year this year.
Morgan is getting the All Star for his performances, not those around him. Wasn't his fault the rest of the team (bar Darragh) were awful this year.
Can point to Fergal Byron in '03 and Gary Connaughton in '08 in terms of teams bowing out before the semi finals and picking up the keeper award.
I'd agree with Conaty, as you say the YPoTY is normally held out as another/extra All Star.
First time since 2003 that no players from Dublin or Kerry have been selected for the All-Star team
In 2003 - Kerry made the semi's that year and got nothing. Laois (3) and Galway (1) only made the QFs, Tipp (1) were knocked out in Round 3 of the qualifiers. Dubs also knocked out in Round 3.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2024, 10:07:39 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 31, 2024, 10:05:44 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2024, 10:00:23 AMQuote from: Mario on October 31, 2024, 09:50:47 AMTyrone beat Cavan (aet), Clare and Cork and have an all star, lost to any good team they played, laughable decision to give any Tyrone player an all star.
Brolly got one in 96.....
Did Derry not win the league in '96 ?
And? I don't see Mario mentioning any league games.
And nothing :D ... just saying that probly contributed to him get an All Star test year
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 31, 2024, 09:14:48 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on October 31, 2024, 09:11:28 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on October 31, 2024, 09:03:17 AM6 games, 5 clean sheets.
Another excellent year out the field.
Morgan not a bad shout.
This may be odd from an Armagh man but I really like Morgan. Great keeper. I just don't think he was the best this year and combine that with Tyrone's poor year overall i don't think he should have got it over Hughes. The recent inter provincials could have played a part too.
Yeah agree with this. Morgan is a serious footballer but didnt deserve it over Blaine.
Soupy and Joe McElroy not even getting nominated told me all I need to know anyway.
Was soupy not a sub most of the year??
Quote from: Truthsayer on October 31, 2024, 10:48:24 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2024, 10:07:39 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 31, 2024, 10:05:44 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2024, 10:00:23 AMQuote from: Mario on October 31, 2024, 09:50:47 AMTyrone beat Cavan (aet), Clare and Cork and have an all star, lost to any good team they played, laughable decision to give any Tyrone player an all star.
Brolly got one in 96.....
Did Derry not win the league in '96 ?
And? I don't see Mario mentioning any league games.
And nothing :D ... just saying that probly contributed to him get an All Star test year
They won it this year too. Did they even get a nomination?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2024, 11:00:40 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 31, 2024, 10:48:24 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2024, 10:07:39 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on October 31, 2024, 10:05:44 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2024, 10:00:23 AMQuote from: Mario on October 31, 2024, 09:50:47 AMTyrone beat Cavan (aet), Clare and Cork and have an all star, lost to any good team they played, laughable decision to give any Tyrone player an all star.
Brolly got one in 96.....
Did Derry not win the league in '96 ?
And? I don't see Mario mentioning any league games.
And nothing :D ... just saying that probly contributed to him get an All Star test year
They won it this year too. Did they even get a nomination?
Nope. First time since the introduction of the All Star awards that the league champions didn't receive a nomination.
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 31, 2024, 10:49:29 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 31, 2024, 09:14:48 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on October 31, 2024, 09:11:28 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on October 31, 2024, 09:03:17 AM6 games, 5 clean sheets.
Another excellent year out the field.
Morgan not a bad shout.
This may be odd from an Armagh man but I really like Morgan. Great keeper. I just don't think he was the best this year and combine that with Tyrone's poor year overall i don't think he should have got it over Hughes. The recent inter provincials could have played a part too.
Yeah agree with this. Morgan is a serious footballer but didnt deserve it over Blaine.
Soupy and Joe McElroy not even getting nominated told me all I need to know anyway.
Was soupy not a sub most of the year??
He started every game league and championship until the last group game vs Galway... he started on the bench that day as well as the QF, SF & Final.
Even though he made a huge impact off the bench in all these games, it was the latter stages of the championship that affected his nomination and beyond.
Which is why it is bizarre that Niall Morgan (brilliant keeper, brilliant player) got selected.
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 31, 2024, 10:49:29 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 31, 2024, 09:14:48 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on October 31, 2024, 09:11:28 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on October 31, 2024, 09:03:17 AM6 games, 5 clean sheets.
Another excellent year out the field.
Morgan not a bad shout.
This may be odd from an Armagh man but I really like Morgan. Great keeper. I just don't think he was the best this year and combine that with Tyrone's poor year overall i don't think he should have got it over Hughes. The recent inter provincials could have played a part too.
Yeah agree with this. Morgan is a serious footballer but didnt deserve it over Blaine.
Soupy and Joe McElroy not even getting nominated told me all I need to know anyway.
Was soupy not a sub most of the year??
No. Started most of their games and did very well too.
Super sub tag understandable given what he did off the bench against Galway, twice, and Kerry.
Quote from: scout on October 31, 2024, 08:50:10 AMThe recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour
I was going to post after those games that it had probably cemented Niall Grimley's All Star! Yet here we are.
The All Stars are what they are, but the omission of Blaine Hughes & Aaron McKay are a bit of a joke imo. I would have had Grimley in ahead of Crealey.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 31, 2024, 11:19:28 AMQuote from: scout on October 31, 2024, 08:50:10 AMThe recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour
I was going to post after those games that it had probably cemented Niall Grimley's All Star! Yet here we are.
The All Stars are what they are, but the omission of Blaine Hughes & Aaron McKay are a bit of a joke imo. I would have had Grimley in ahead of Crealey.
That would give Armagh 9 All Stars?
Some of the Dublin teams who walked to All Irelands, hammering all in front of them didn't get that many.
People losing the run of themselves here.
For perspective, Armagh "drew" with Kerry in the semi final. Kerry didn't get any.
Genuine question. What is the criteria for all star selection? Is it down in paper or is it at the person who votes complete discretion?
What games are taken into consideration throughout the year? Championship games only?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2024, 11:23:15 AMQuote from: bennydorano on October 31, 2024, 11:19:28 AMQuote from: scout on October 31, 2024, 08:50:10 AMThe recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour
I was going to post after those games that it had probably cemented Niall Grimley's All Star! Yet here we are.
The All Stars are what they are, but the omission of Blaine Hughes & Aaron McKay are a bit of a joke imo. I would have had Grimley in ahead of Crealey.
That would give Armagh 9 All Stars?
Some of the Dublin teams who walked to All Irelands, hammering all in front of them didn't get that many.
People losing the run of themselves here.
For perspective, Armagh "drew" with Kerry in the semi final. Kerry didn't get any.
Wouldn't have expected Armagh to get more than 6 but could see a world where Blaine Hughes and Aaron McKay nudged ahead of a couple of the ones we did get.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2024, 11:23:15 AMQuote from: bennydorano on October 31, 2024, 11:19:28 AMQuote from: scout on October 31, 2024, 08:50:10 AMThe recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour
I was going to post after those games that it had probably cemented Niall Grimley's All Star! Yet here we are.
The All Stars are what they are, but the omission of Blaine Hughes & Aaron McKay are a bit of a joke imo. I would have had Grimley in ahead of Crealey.
That would give Armagh 9 All Stars?
Some of the Dublin teams who walked to All Irelands, hammering all in front of them didn't get that many.
People losing the run of themselves here.
For perspective, Armagh "drew" with Kerry in the semi final. Kerry didn't get any.
Exactly this. 6 is about right IMO. Morgan probably most controversial of the lot overall but Turbitt definitely not controversial. I did wonder on Morgan and the "recency bias". Kerry should probably have got something I'd have thought.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 31, 2024, 11:35:21 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2024, 11:23:15 AMQuote from: bennydorano on October 31, 2024, 11:19:28 AMQuote from: scout on October 31, 2024, 08:50:10 AMThe recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour
I was going to post after those games that it had probably cemented Niall Grimley's All Star! Yet here we are.
The All Stars are what they are, but the omission of Blaine Hughes & Aaron McKay are a bit of a joke imo. I would have had Grimley in ahead of Crealey.
That would give Armagh 9 All Stars?
Some of the Dublin teams who walked to All Irelands, hammering all in front of them didn't get that many.
People losing the run of themselves here.
For perspective, Armagh "drew" with Kerry in the semi final. Kerry didn't get any.
Exactly this. 6 is about right IMO. Morgan probably most controversial of the lot overall but Turbitt definitely not controversial. I did wonder on Morgan and the "recency bias". Kerry should probably have got something I'd have thought.
Yeah Armagh done well enough and a lot of the time arguments for All Stars selections can be made for a lot of players but Morgan is a real outlier, no probably about it. Wouldn't even have him in the conversation and I don't buy that it's an individual award and he was the best in the country in the games he played. Always been your team needs to go on a decent run or cause a bit of a stir to ever be considered. They won a provincial first round and didn't make AI QF. GUBU.
Quote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 11:51:10 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on October 31, 2024, 11:35:21 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2024, 11:23:15 AMQuote from: bennydorano on October 31, 2024, 11:19:28 AMQuote from: scout on October 31, 2024, 08:50:10 AMThe recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour
I was going to post after those games that it had probably cemented Niall Grimley's All Star! Yet here we are.
The All Stars are what they are, but the omission of Blaine Hughes & Aaron McKay are a bit of a joke imo. I would have had Grimley in ahead of Crealey.
That would give Armagh 9 All Stars?
Some of the Dublin teams who walked to All Irelands, hammering all in front of them didn't get that many.
People losing the run of themselves here.
For perspective, Armagh "drew" with Kerry in the semi final. Kerry didn't get any.
Exactly this. 6 is about right IMO. Morgan probably most controversial of the lot overall but Turbitt definitely not controversial. I did wonder on Morgan and the "recency bias". Kerry should probably have got something I'd have thought.
Yeah Armagh done well enough and a lot of the time arguments for All Stars selections can be made for a lot of players but Morgan is a real outlier, no probably about it. Wouldn't even have him in the conversation and I don't buy that it's an individual award and he was the best in the country in the games he played. Always been your team needs to go on a decent run or cause a bit of a stir to ever be considered. They won a provincial first round and didn't make AI QF. GUBU.
It hasn't always been like that!
Enda Smith got one last year.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2024, 11:23:15 AMQuote from: bennydorano on October 31, 2024, 11:19:28 AMQuote from: scout on October 31, 2024, 08:50:10 AMThe recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour
I was going to post after those games that it had probably cemented Niall Grimley's All Star! Yet here we are.
The All Stars are what they are, but the omission of Blaine Hughes & Aaron McKay are a bit of a joke imo. I would have had Grimley in ahead of Crealey.
That would give Armagh 9 All Stars?
Some of the Dublin teams who walked to All Irelands, hammering all in front of them didn't get that many.
People losing the run of themselves here.
For perspective, Armagh "drew" with Kerry in the semi final. Kerry didn't get any.
It would be 8 because the suggestion was for Grimley instead of Crealey.
For sure Morgan shouldn't be in and the easy selection is Blaine Hughes in nets.
A good case can be made for Aaron McKay but equally the 6 defenders selected all have their merits.
I think Armagh were deserving of 6 outfield players in one way or another and should also have had the goalkeeper.
You can't leave Soupy out!
Hughes should have got one. Morgan shouldn't have been considered.
McKay should have got one.
Turbitt had a yo-yo season and a dreadful final. Shouldn't have got one.
Crealey was no more significant or insignificant than any other last 8 midfielder, and is both lucky to get one, and would have been unlucky not to get one.
TBH I'm not overly sure Rian deserved one. Obviously he's Armagh's poster boy and he kicked some big scores over the season. But he had a number of anonymous games too.
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On reflection there wasn't 6 forwards worthy of an All Star in 2025. And the committee should have just done what Armagh (and many others do), and filled the team with workhorses.
I think it comes down to is the award to be given to the best player or the player who played best that year.
For me Hughes had a head shoulders better year than Morgan. He had more clean sheets. More games against better opposition at the business end of the championship. He was pivotal to Armagh with a higher percentage of own kick outs won than any other keeper.
That said I accept Morgan is a better player. If it's a case of give it to the best player then it's hard to see past Morgan for the next few all stars regardless of what anyone else does.
The other issue is why is only one goal keeper allowed when a player who for example didn't play full back gets the full back award.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 31, 2024, 11:19:28 AMQuote from: scout on October 31, 2024, 08:50:10 AMThe recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour
I was going to post after those games that it had probably cemented Niall Grimley's All Star! Yet here we are.
The All Stars are what they are, but the omission of Blaine Hughes & Aaron McKay are a bit of a joke imo. I would have had Grimley in ahead of Crealey.
I wonder when they actually decide the awards. I did think the same about the Railway cup being a factor with Morgan. The focus in the build up and aftermath was about the role of the keeper and he was in the Media a lot that week. Also played well in the games too. Subconsciously it may have affected the people that vote on this.
I would also have put Grimley ahead of Crealey
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2024, 11:53:29 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 11:51:10 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on October 31, 2024, 11:35:21 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2024, 11:23:15 AMQuote from: bennydorano on October 31, 2024, 11:19:28 AMQuote from: scout on October 31, 2024, 08:50:10 AMThe recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour
I was going to post after those games that it had probably cemented Niall Grimley's All Star! Yet here we are.
The All Stars are what they are, but the omission of Blaine Hughes & Aaron McKay are a bit of a joke imo. I would have had Grimley in ahead of Crealey.
That would give Armagh 9 All Stars?
Some of the Dublin teams who walked to All Irelands, hammering all in front of them didn't get that many.
People losing the run of themselves here.
For perspective, Armagh "drew" with Kerry in the semi final. Kerry didn't get any.
Exactly this. 6 is about right IMO. Morgan probably most controversial of the lot overall but Turbitt definitely not controversial. I did wonder on Morgan and the "recency bias". Kerry should probably have got something I'd have thought.
Yeah Armagh done well enough and a lot of the time arguments for All Stars selections can be made for a lot of players but Morgan is a real outlier, no probably about it. Wouldn't even have him in the conversation and I don't buy that it's an individual award and he was the best in the country in the games he played. Always been your team needs to go on a decent run or cause a bit of a stir to ever be considered. They won a provincial first round and didn't make AI QF. GUBU.
It hasn't always been like that!
Enda Smith got one last year.
I would class that as a strange one but at least there's a novelty factor in that his county hadn't got one in years and he has been a consistently good performer. Morgan already has one and done absolutely nothing of note this year. If it was his first then fair enough.
Quote from: thewobbler on October 31, 2024, 12:13:23 PMHughes should have got one. Morgan shouldn't have been considered.
McKay should have got one.
Turbitt had a yo-yo season and a dreadful final. Shouldn't have got one.
Crealey was no more significant or insignificant than any other last 8 midfielder, and is both lucky to get one, and would have been unlucky not to get one.
TBH I'm not overly sure Rian deserved one. Obviously he's Armagh's poster boy and he kicked some big scores over the season. But he had a number of anonymous games too.
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On reflection there wasn't 6 forwards worthy of an All Star in 2025. And the committee should have just done what Armagh (and many others do), and filled the team with workhorses.
Turbit was the top scorer from play in the all Ireland series and would likely have been nominated for player of the year had he had a good final.
Finnerty scored 4 points in 3 starts in Croke Park. If Turbit is undeserving then so is Finnerty.
Crealy was consistently good but not as influential as Grimley I felt. Agreed on McKay and Morgan.
I also think it's unfair to call the likes of McElroy and Grugan work houses I think they are excellent examples of what's needed in the modern game.
Em by stating Turbitt didn't deserve one, it doesn't mean Finnerty did.
Quote from: thewobbler on October 31, 2024, 12:30:01 PMEm by stating Turbitt didn't deserve one, it doesn't mean Finnerty did.
Fair point
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2024, 11:23:15 AMQuote from: bennydorano on October 31, 2024, 11:19:28 AMQuote from: scout on October 31, 2024, 08:50:10 AMThe recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour
I was going to post after those games that it had probably cemented Niall Grimley's All Star! Yet here we are.
The All Stars are what they are, but the omission of Blaine Hughes & Aaron McKay are a bit of a joke imo. I would have had Grimley in ahead of Crealey.
That would give Armagh 9 All Stars?
Some of the Dublin teams who walked to All Irelands, hammering all in front of them didn't get that many.
People losing the run of themselves here.
For perspective, Armagh "drew" with Kerry in the semi final. Kerry didn't get any.
No, this was my selection below, quite reasonable Quote1. Blaine Hughes (Armagh) - every keeper made a howler bar him
2.Johnny McGrath (Galway)
3. McKay (Armagh)
4. Forker - to get him in somewhere & McCambridge misses out to get POTY
5.Dylan McHugh (Galway)
6.Silke (Galway)
7.Mogan (Donegal)
8. Paul Conroy (Galway)
9. Langan (Donegal)
10. Rian O'Neill (Armagh)
11. John Maher (Galway)
12. N Grimley (Armagh) - Conaty YPOTY
13.Oisin Gallen (Donegal)
14. Mulroy or Louth MFer
15. Conor Turbitt (Armagh)
reckon Louth will defo get one
McKay & Hughes definitely deserving - over other Armagh selections, imo.
Id have chosen Cillian McDaid significantly before either Finnerty or Turbitt. You're getting into the semantics of choosing a wing forward in the full forward line there of course, but not as if McDaids scoring return from play was worse in the latter stages. McDaids performance in defeating Dublin might've been the performance of the championship
Id probably have picked soupy before both those forwards also. I think McKay is particularly hard done by tbf. They likely wanted to get one Louth in there and he was the one to lose out. He might've got one over McGrath either. In saying that I don't think Lennon or McGrath are particularly undeserving either
McGrath was fantastic and fully deserving of one. McDaid a good shout. Only Lennon in defense could have dropped out IMO.
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 31, 2024, 10:49:29 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 31, 2024, 09:14:48 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on October 31, 2024, 09:11:28 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on October 31, 2024, 09:03:17 AM6 games, 5 clean sheets.
Another excellent year out the field.
Morgan not a bad shout.
This may be odd from an Armagh man but I really like Morgan. Great keeper. I just don't think he was the best this year and combine that with Tyrone's poor year overall i don't think he should have got it over Hughes. The recent inter provincials could have played a part too.
Yeah agree with this. Morgan is a serious footballer but didnt deserve it over Blaine.
Soupy and Joe McElroy not even getting nominated told me all I need to know anyway.
Was soupy not a sub most of the year??
Irrelevant. Look what he contributed. Far bigger impact than most players. Not saying he should have got an All Star but no nomination is madness
Quote from: Cavan19 on October 31, 2024, 09:35:50 AMQuote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 09:24:28 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 08:57:35 AMNovelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.
But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.
Everyone keeps saying 'team'... These are individual awards. Morgan in the games he played was by a distance the best keeper in the country
He was probaly the best at everything bar stopping the ball from going into the goals.
How many goals did he concede ?
Fenton is the best midfielder in the country so should have got an All Star.
Clifford and Con are best forwards in the country so should have got All Stars.
Well that's if you are in the Morgan is the best keeper in the country camp.....
Quote from: The Trap on October 31, 2024, 01:22:04 PMFenton is the best midfielder in the country so should have got an All Star.
Clifford and Con are best forwards in the country so should have got All Stars.
Well that's if you are in the Morgan is the best keeper in the country camp.....
Yeah exactly....
Quote from: thewobbler on October 31, 2024, 12:13:23 PMHughes should have got one. Morgan shouldn't have been considered.
McKay should have got one.
Turbitt had a yo-yo season and a dreadful final. Shouldn't have got one.
Crealey was no more significant or insignificant than any other last 8 midfielder, and is both lucky to get one, and would have been unlucky not to get one.
TBH I'm not overly sure Rian deserved one. Obviously he's Armagh's poster boy and he kicked some big scores over the season. But he had a number of anonymous games too.
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On reflection there wasn't 6 forwards worthy of an All Star in 2025. And the committee should have just done what Armagh (and many others do), and filled the team with workhorses.
The only player in Armagh starting forward line who you could label as a work horse is Joe McElroy, Grugan, Conaty, O'Neill, Turbitt and Murnin are all extremely talented forward players with various strengths which is why the forward line functioned well. They all put in a shift off the ball but that's the expectation for any player these days.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 31, 2024, 01:24:12 PMQuote from: The Trap on October 31, 2024, 01:22:04 PMFenton is the best midfielder in the country so should have got an All Star.
Clifford and Con are best forwards in the country so should have got All Stars.
Well that's if you are in the Morgan is the best keeper in the country camp.....
Yeah exactly....
Only if you are missing out on 2 v important words ie 'this year'
Quote from: thewobbler on October 31, 2024, 12:13:23 PMHughes should have got one. Morgan shouldn't have been considered.
McKay should have got one.
Turbitt had a yo-yo season and a dreadful final. Shouldn't have got one.
Crealey was no more significant or insignificant than any other last 8 midfielder, and is both lucky to get one, and would have been unlucky not to get one.
TBH I'm not overly sure Rian deserved one. Obviously he's Armagh's poster boy and he kicked some big scores over the season. But he had a number of anonymous games too.
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On reflection there wasn't 6 forwards worthy of an All Star in 2025. And the committee should have just done what Armagh (and many others do), and filled the team with workhorses.
He's a man for the big moments. The pass to Turbo for the insurance score against Kerry, the catch on the goal line that day too.
Seen a break down of his scores against Galway in the group and they were all at big moments when we were under pressure. He'd a poor day against Roscommon but all in all thoroughly deserved one.
I'd of given it to Hughes. His kickouts are criminally under rated, he was great against Kerry & Galway.
Morgan wouldn't need it for the oul ego anyway!
They're debatable every year - we got 8 in 2021 and I'd of given Michael McKernan one over a number of the Tyrone men who did get one. The Conn Kilpatrick or Brian Kennedy award that year seemed to be a complete coin toss as well, you were never getting both but I'm not sure Brian should've got the nod over Conn that year.
I could see the 2021 and 2024 footballer of the year being jarring in 10 years when you look at some of the names surrounding them on the list (unless Paul Conroy gets it, great player over many years)
If derry didn't get any all star nominations for winning the league in great style then we can disregard the league.
Tyrone then conceded 3 16 against Cavan.
Next game was 0 21 to 0 14 beat by Donegal and there were no big moments from any Tyrone player in a poor performance.
Beat Clare 3 15 to 10!
Then beat 0 14 to 0 12 by Roscommon in another poor performance.
Niall Morgan is a great footballer but there is no way he is an All Star this year.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on October 31, 2024, 01:54:18 PMI'd of given it to Hughes. His kickouts are criminally under rated, he was great against Kerry & Galway.
Morgan wouldn't need it for the oul ego anyway!
They're debatable every year - we got 8 in 2021 and I'd of given Michael McKernan one over a number of the Tyrone men who did get one. The Conn Kilpatrick or Brian Kennedy award that year seemed to be a complete coin toss as well, you were never getting both but I'm not sure Brian should've got the nod over Conn that year.
I could see the 2021 and 2024 footballer of the year being jarring in 10 years when you look at some of the names surrounding them on the list (unless Paul Conroy gets it, great player over many years)
i thought his kickouts in the semi were as good as cluxton's on his day which tbh means they were as good as it gets. In the final I thought they were poor enough which given his injury was understandable.
League winners getting all stars is long gone especially if there's a mediocre championship following it. Brolly got it when the league meant something and there were only knockout games.
First time in 21 years with no Kerry,Dublin players among the 15 All Stars.
Blaine Hughes,Aaron McKay unlucky to miss out however those picking the All-Stars must have thought they had to stick to six instead of eight for Armagh? Six is still decent haul as have been waiting to win another one since 2008 with Ronan Clarke.
Quote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 12:23:45 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2024, 11:53:29 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 11:51:10 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on October 31, 2024, 11:35:21 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2024, 11:23:15 AMQuote from: bennydorano on October 31, 2024, 11:19:28 AMQuote from: scout on October 31, 2024, 08:50:10 AMThe recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour
I was going to post after those games that it had probably cemented Niall Grimley's All Star! Yet here we are.
The All Stars are what they are, but the omission of Blaine Hughes & Aaron McKay are a bit of a joke imo. I would have had Grimley in ahead of Crealey.
That would give Armagh 9 All Stars?
Some of the Dublin teams who walked to All Irelands, hammering all in front of them didn't get that many.
People losing the run of themselves here.
For perspective, Armagh "drew" with Kerry in the semi final. Kerry didn't get any.
Exactly this. 6 is about right IMO. Morgan probably most controversial of the lot overall but Turbitt definitely not controversial. I did wonder on Morgan and the "recency bias". Kerry should probably have got something I'd have thought.
Yeah Armagh done well enough and a lot of the time arguments for All Stars selections can be made for a lot of players but Morgan is a real outlier, no probably about it. Wouldn't even have him in the conversation and I don't buy that it's an individual award and he was the best in the country in the games he played. Always been your team needs to go on a decent run or cause a bit of a stir to ever be considered. They won a provincial first round and didn't make AI QF. GUBU.
It hasn't always been like that!
Enda Smith got one last year.
I would class that as a strange one but at least there's a novelty factor in that his county hadn't got one in years and he has been a consistently good performer. Morgan already has one and done absolutely nothing of note this year. If it was his first then fair enough.
Aye, that sounds fair enough alright....
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Quote from: thewobbler on October 31, 2024, 12:13:23 PMOn reflection there wasn't 6 forwards worthy of an All Star in 2025.
Do you own a time machine?
Quote from: ClubScene13 on October 31, 2024, 01:54:18 PMI'd of given it to Hughes. His kickouts are criminally under rated, he was great against Kerry & Galway.
Morgan wouldn't need it for the oul ego anyway!
They're debatable every year - we got 8 in 2021 and I'd of given Michael McKernan one over a number of the Tyrone men who did get one. The Conn Kilpatrick or Brian Kennedy award that year seemed to be a complete coin toss as well, you were never getting both but I'm not sure Brian should've got the nod over Conn that year.
I could see the 2021 and 2024 footballer of the year being jarring in 10 years when you look at some of the names surrounding them on the list (unless Paul Conroy gets it, great player over many years)
Probably similar this year with Grimley and Crealey, both were brilliant for us but were never going to get both with Conroy having such a great year as well.
I think Barry McCambridge will go on to have a super career for club and county, been watching him for years for the club and hes a serious talent. Hope he gets it this year.
I think McCambridge had a super end to the year, especially his semi final performance, and think Armagh could legitimately have got a further all star. Conatys a shoe in for YPOTY also
But surely Conroy can't be topped in the POTY vote? He's a deep lying midfielder who was second top scorer from play in the entire championship (i.e basically every score was a boomer from afar). He could realistically have won MOTM in every game he played. If his teammates had kicked any small portion of missed frees or chances, then we'd be talking about one of the better all Ireland final man of the match performances of modern times
Done deal surely? The only way I could see him beat is Maher splitting his vote, but it'd still be surprising
Quote from: Manning18 on October 31, 2024, 03:52:22 PMI think McCambridge had a super end to the year, especially his semi final performance, and think Armagh could legitimately have got a further all star. Conatys a shoe in for YPOTY also
But surely Conroy can't be topped in the POTY vote? He's a deep lying midfielder who was second top scorer from play in the entire championship (i.e basically every score was a boomer from afar). He could realistically have won MOTM in every game he played. If his teammates had kicked any small portion of missed frees or chances, then we'd be talking about one of the better all Ireland final man of the match performances of modern times
Done deal surely? The only way I could see him beat is Maher splitting his vote, but it'd still be surprising
Toss up between Barry and Conroy. Just to counter, McCambridge marked 3 of the top forwards in the country from the quarters on and outscored all 3 from play. Wouldn't begrudge either man tbh and if we were to be put out next year I'd love to see Conroy win his All Ireland, super player.
He didn't outscore Walsh from play, although he definitely won the matchup
Like i said, I think MCambridge had a super end to the year. I think given Conroys heroics in vain in the final, he at least matches him in the knockout stages and he obviously has a huge body of work before that
Quote from: Manning18 on October 31, 2024, 04:09:15 PMHe didn't outscore Walsh from play, although he definitely won the matchup
Like i said, I think MCambridge had a super end to the year. I think given Conroys heroics in vain in the final, he at least matches him in the knockout stages and he obviously has a huge body of work before that
Did Walsh not just get one from a free in final? Could be wrong but anyway McCambridge came out on top.
Anyway wouldn't begrudge Conroy the win and the other man not being mentioned, Maher was brilliant anytime I saw him as well, gets through some amount of a work and can take a score as well.
Has to be Paul Conroy for POTY.
He was super. A real leader for Galway.
Quote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 01:13:27 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on October 31, 2024, 09:35:50 AMQuote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 09:24:28 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 08:57:35 AMNovelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.
But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.
Everyone keeps saying 'team'... These are individual awards. Morgan in the games he played was by a distance the best keeper in the country
He was probaly the best at everything bar stopping the ball from going into the goals.
How many goals did he concede ?
14 or so
Quote from: Cavan19 on November 01, 2024, 01:22:04 PMQuote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 01:13:27 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on October 31, 2024, 09:35:50 AMQuote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 09:24:28 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 08:57:35 AMNovelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.
But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.
Everyone keeps saying 'team'... These are individual awards. Morgan in the games he played was by a distance the best keeper in the country
He was probaly the best at everything bar stopping the ball from going into the goals.
How many goals did he concede ?
14 or so
And how many of those 14 were directly linked to him or could he have saved? Not exactly Morgan's fault that when defending we allow players to run from deep without tracking them
Quote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 01:13:27 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on October 31, 2024, 09:35:50 AMQuote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 09:24:28 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 08:57:35 AMNovelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.
But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.
Everyone keeps saying 'team'... These are individual awards. Morgan in the games he played was by a distance the best keeper in the country
He was probaly the best at everything bar stopping the ball from going into the goals.
How many goals did he concede ?
3 in the championship. All in 1 game, that bonkers Ulster quarter final against Cavan. Kept a clean sheet in the other 5 games including against Donegal twice. Pulled off some great saves all year. Well deserved.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2024, 03:19:32 PMQuote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 01:13:27 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on October 31, 2024, 09:35:50 AMQuote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 09:24:28 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 08:57:35 AMNovelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.
But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.
Everyone keeps saying 'team'... These are individual awards. Morgan in the games he played was by a distance the best keeper in the country
He was probaly the best at everything bar stopping the ball from going into the goals.
How many goals did he concede ?
3 in the championship. All in 1 game, that bonkers Ulster quarter final against Cavan. Kept a clean sheet in the other 5 games including against Donegal twice. Pulled off some great saves all year. Well deserved.
Indeed.
For what its worth I rate Morgan as the best all round keeper by a country mile.
The man has it all in his locker.
However, he wasnt the best keeper in the country in 2024. If we had got to the further stages of the c'ship then he was a shoe in. But we didnt so he should not have been selected.
If he was the best player in the games he was involved in and this warranted an All Star then there are many other players in the country who will be expecting All Stars in the future.
Feel the All Star selectors have really messed up here.
Quote from: Taylor on November 01, 2024, 04:11:28 PMFor what its worth I rate Morgan as the best all round keeper by a country mile.
The man has it all in his locker.
However, he wasnt the best keeper in the country in 2024. If we had got to the further stages of the c'ship then he was a shoe in. But we didnt so he should not have been selected.
If he was the best player in the games he was involved in and this warranted an All Star then there are many other players in the country who will be expecting All Stars in the future.
Feel the All Star selectors have really messed up here.
Doesn't make sense... You are assuming that he would have improved to be the best player if he'd played further into the championship or you have to play more games to be the best...?
Quote from: Taylor on November 01, 2024, 04:11:28 PMFor what its worth I rate Morgan as the best all round keeper by a country mile.
The man has it all in his locker.
However, he wasnt the best keeper in the country in 2024. If we had got to the further stages of the c'ship then he was a shoe in. But we didnt so he should not have been selected.
If he was the best player in the games he was involved in and this warranted an All Star then there are many other players in the country who will be expecting All Stars in the future.
Feel the All Star selectors have really messed up here.
Funny. I don't recall this outrage over Enda Smith getting an All Star last year. Is there a difference in both situations?
Quote from: JoG2 on November 01, 2024, 04:52:35 PMQuote from: Taylor on November 01, 2024, 04:11:28 PMFor what its worth I rate Morgan as the best all round keeper by a country mile.
The man has it all in his locker.
However, he wasnt the best keeper in the country in 2024. If we had got to the further stages of the c'ship then he was a shoe in. But we didnt so he should not have been selected.
If he was the best player in the games he was involved in and this warranted an All Star then there are many other players in the country who will be expecting All Stars in the future.
Feel the All Star selectors have really messed up here.
Doesn't make sense... You are assuming that he would have improved to be the best player if he'd played further into the championship or you have to play more games to be the best...?
The All Stars are given to players who played really well throughout the season.
We didnt get to the business end so how could he have demonstrated what he could do?
By this standard we could have a player from Leitrim/Antrim (no disrespect intended) score 10 pts a game but they dont get to the business end of the season.
Will they now be in the running for an All Star based on this?
Quote from: Taylor on November 01, 2024, 05:03:09 PMQuote from: JoG2 on November 01, 2024, 04:52:35 PMQuote from: Taylor on November 01, 2024, 04:11:28 PMFor what its worth I rate Morgan as the best all round keeper by a country mile.
The man has it all in his locker.
However, he wasnt the best keeper in the country in 2024. If we had got to the further stages of the c'ship then he was a shoe in. But we didnt so he should not have been selected.
If he was the best player in the games he was involved in and this warranted an All Star then there are many other players in the country who will be expecting All Stars in the future.
Feel the All Star selectors have really messed up here.
Doesn't make sense... You are assuming that he would have improved to be the best player if he'd played further into the championship or you have to play more games to be the best...?
The All Stars are given to players who played really well throughout the season.
We didnt get to the business end so how could he have demonstrated what he could do?
By this standard we could have a player from Leitrim/Antrim (no disrespect intended) score 10 pts a game but they dont get to the business end of the season.
Will they now be in the running for an All Star based on this?
You're saying he wasn't the best because others played more games. Playing more games doesn't make someone a better player, was Morgan better this year than the other nominees, yes imo.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on November 01, 2024, 04:54:47 PMQuote from: Taylor on November 01, 2024, 04:11:28 PMFor what its worth I rate Morgan as the best all round keeper by a country mile.
The man has it all in his locker.
However, he wasnt the best keeper in the country in 2024. If we had got to the further stages of the c'ship then he was a shoe in. But we didnt so he should not have been selected.
If he was the best player in the games he was involved in and this warranted an All Star then there are many other players in the country who will be expecting All Stars in the future.
Feel the All Star selectors have really messed up here.
Funny. I don't recall this outrage over Enda Smith getting an All Star last year. Is there a difference in both situations?
Was there a clearly more deserving man in his position who lost out? The goalkeeper one will probably stick out more given theres only one obviously, while forwards can be jigged around to suit
Declan Browne received two All-Stars, without really getting to the 'business end of the championship'
First one in '98. Tipp played four games that year. Beat Limerick, Waterford and Clare, and lost to Kerry in the final. Obviously pre-qualifiers, so no further games.
He won his second in 2003. Again, He played in four games. Other sides who got to the 'business end' might have played double that amount. In Munster Tipp beat Waterford, then were hammered by Kerry in in the Munster semi-final. In the qualifiers they beat Carlow before being hammered by Donegal.
But, the 2003 All Stars are funny in the sense that Laois, beaten in the QF by Armagh, received more All Stars than the AI Finalists - Armagh.
Think most people agree Morgan is probably the best keeper atm, doesn't mean he deserves an All Star this year, Blaine Hughes was supremely consistent for significantly more games, its non-sensical and a stupid precedent to set.
Quote from: Estimator on November 01, 2024, 06:39:57 PMDeclan Browne received two All-Stars, without really getting to the 'business end of the championship'
First one in '98. Tipp played four games that year. Beat Limerick, Waterford and Clare, and lost to Kerry in the final. Obviously pre-qualifiers, so no further games.
He won his second in 2003. Again, He played in four games. Other sides who got to the 'business end' might have played double that amount. In Munster Tipp beat Waterford, then were hammered by Kerry in in the Munster semi-final. In the qualifiers they beat Carlow before being hammered by Donegal.
But, the 2003 All Stars are funny in the sense that Laois, beaten in the QF by Armagh, received more All Stars than the AI Finalists - Armagh.
Declan Browne was an extraordinary talent though. Could score off either foot. Would probably have walked onto any team in the country. Just a shame he came from a hurling county.
Quote from: J70 on November 01, 2024, 07:04:19 PMQuote from: Estimator on November 01, 2024, 06:39:57 PMDeclan Browne received two All-Stars, without really getting to the 'business end of the championship'
First one in '98. Tipp played four games that year. Beat Limerick, Waterford and Clare, and lost to Kerry in the final. Obviously pre-qualifiers, so no further games.
He won his second in 2003. Again, He played in four games. Other sides who got to the 'business end' might have played double that amount. In Munster Tipp beat Waterford, then were hammered by Kerry in in the Munster semi-final. In the qualifiers they beat Carlow before being hammered by Donegal.
But, the 2003 All Stars are funny in the sense that Laois, beaten in the QF by Armagh, received more All Stars than the AI Finalists - Armagh.
Declan Browne was an extraordinary talent though. Could score off either foot. Would probably have walked onto any team in the country. Just a shame he came from a hurling county.
In the context of the Morgan All star....
Hughes wouldn't get a game if Morgan was from Armagh.
Business end either counts or it doesn't.
There are plenty of examples over the years where it hasn't.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 01, 2024, 07:15:37 PMQuote from: J70 on November 01, 2024, 07:04:19 PMQuote from: Estimator on November 01, 2024, 06:39:57 PMDeclan Browne received two All-Stars, without really getting to the 'business end of the championship'
First one in '98. Tipp played four games that year. Beat Limerick, Waterford and Clare, and lost to Kerry in the final. Obviously pre-qualifiers, so no further games.
He won his second in 2003. Again, He played in four games. Other sides who got to the 'business end' might have played double that amount. In Munster Tipp beat Waterford, then were hammered by Kerry in in the Munster semi-final. In the qualifiers they beat Carlow before being hammered by Donegal.
But, the 2003 All Stars are funny in the sense that Laois, beaten in the QF by Armagh, received more All Stars than the AI Finalists - Armagh.
Declan Browne was an extraordinary talent though. Could score off either foot. Would probably have walked onto any team in the country. Just a shame he came from a hurling county.
In the context of the Morgan All star....
Hughes wouldn't get a game if Morgan was from Armagh.
Business end either counts or it doesn't.
There are plenty of examples over the years where it hasn't.
If Clifford or Con were from Galway Finnerty wouldnt get a game. Irrelevant.
Niall Morgan not in attendance, overseas on his holidays. He didn't even expect to win All Star this year.
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In the context of the Morgan All star....
Hughes wouldn't get a game if Morgan was from Armagh.
That's one of the more nonsensical posts that's been on here in a while.
Young footballer of the year Oisin Conaty Armagh.
Senior footballer of the year Paul Conroy. Galway.
f**k them. We'll just have to go and keep Sam.
Don't think I could possibly be more delighted for a player than I am for Paul Conroy winning player of the year. The man has soldiered year in year out and on plenty of shite Galway teams at that.17 seasons in a row. He got better and better as the years went on. The epitome of a leader. Delighted for him
Quote from: galwayman on November 01, 2024, 09:09:53 PMDon't think I could possibly be more delighted for a player than I am for Paul Conroy winning player of the year. The man has soldiered year in year out and on plenty of shite Galway teams at that.17 seasons in a row. He got better and better as the years went on. The epitome of a leader. Delighted for him
Said the other day I wanted Barry to win it but I wouldn't begrudge Conroy. A brilliant player so well done. Definitely disappointed for Barry but I'm sure he's happy enough with the year he's had.
Congratulations to Conroy & Conaty, well deserved. Right men won.
Wouldn't begrudge Paul Conroy either, At 35 years of age playing in midfield and as reported scored 2-16 from 29 shots was impressive going.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 01, 2024, 08:59:45 PMf**k them. We'll just have to go and keep Sam.
Christ almighty.
I don't even think Conroy was Galway's best player. Maher was
No complaints about Conroy getting player of the year, thoroughly deserved. Absolutely delighted to finally see an all-star coming to the club and with the added bonus of Young Player of the Year. Comhghairdeas le Oisín Conaty.
Quote from: Mario on November 01, 2024, 10:04:35 PMI don't even think Conroy was Galway's best player. Maher was
As a Galway fan that watched every minute, I wouldn't have had Maher in the top 5, for all that he's come on leaps and bounds
Conroy was best by a country mile
Imagine being a midfielder and almost being top scorer from play in the entire country. And not only that, basically every score is a long range boomer. That's not even mentioning the countless assists for others and kickouts won (far exceeding Maher there also)
Quote from: Manning18 on November 01, 2024, 10:29:32 PMQuote from: Mario on November 01, 2024, 10:04:35 PMI don't even think Conroy was Galway's best player. Maher was
As a Galway fan that watched every minute, I wouldn't have had Maher in the top 5, for all that he's come on leaps and bounds
Conroy was best by a country mile
Imagine being a midfielder and almost being top scorer from play in the entire country. And not only that, basically every score is a long range boomer. That's not even mentioning the countless assists for others and kickouts won (far exceeding Maher there also)
Agreed. Fair play to Conroy.
Quote from: mackers on November 01, 2024, 08:00:44 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile
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In the context of the Morgan All star....
Hughes wouldn't get a game if Morgan was from Armagh.
That's one of the more nonsensical posts that's been on here in a while.
Really? In reply to "if Declan Browne wasn't from a hurling county"?
Conroy best player this year, so little argument. The fact he was 34 this year and playing so well in a crucial position.All his minor midfielder opponents John O'loughlin[Laois,) Kyle Coney [Tyrone]James Kielt[Derry) long gone at Senior.
What team would win based on this years form. The All Star team or this:
Blaine Hughes
Tom Sullivan
Aaron McKay
Ciaran Moore
Ryan McHugh
Liam Silke
Brian O'Beaghlaigh
Niall Grimley
Brian Fenton
Cillian McDaid
Sean O'Se
Ciaran Kilkenny
David Clifford
Con O'Callaghan
Dara Canavan
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 01, 2024, 07:37:46 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 01, 2024, 07:15:37 PMQuote from: J70 on November 01, 2024, 07:04:19 PMQuote from: Estimator on November 01, 2024, 06:39:57 PMDeclan Browne received two All-Stars, without really getting to the 'business end of the championship'
First one in '98. Tipp played four games that year. Beat Limerick, Waterford and Clare, and lost to Kerry in the final. Obviously pre-qualifiers, so no further games.
He won his second in 2003. Again, He played in four games. Other sides who got to the 'business end' might have played double that amount. In Munster Tipp beat Waterford, then were hammered by Kerry in in the Munster semi-final. In the qualifiers they beat Carlow before being hammered by Donegal.
But, the 2003 All Stars are funny in the sense that Laois, beaten in the QF by Armagh, received more All Stars than the AI Finalists - Armagh.
Declan Browne was an extraordinary talent though. Could score off either foot. Would probably have walked onto any team in the country. Just a shame he came from a hurling county.
In the context of the Morgan All star....
Hughes wouldn't get a game if Morgan was from Armagh.
Business end either counts or it doesn't.
There are plenty of examples over the years where it hasn't.
If Clifford or Con were from Galway Finnerty wouldnt get a game. Irrelevant.
I agree. I was pointing out similar to J70 in relation to Declan Browne.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 01, 2024, 11:06:50 PMConroy best player this year, so little argument. The fact he was 34 this year and playing so well in a crucial position.All his minor midfielder opponents John O'loughlin[Laois,) Kyle Coney [Tyrone]James Kielt[Derry) long gone at Senior.
I don't think I've ever been made feel so old by a single post
Well Sheild's and Sheridan would been that minor year do and they still on the outskirts with Armagh past 2 yrs.
It is funny how Kyle Hayes was given an All Star despite his criminal convictions yet Rory Gallagher can't get the Derry job (or another county job) because of alleged criminality.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on November 02, 2024, 10:15:24 PMIt is funny how Kyle Hayes was given an All Star despite his criminal convictions yet Rory Gallagher can't get the Derry job (or another county job) because of alleged criminality.
Crazy.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on November 02, 2024, 10:15:24 PMIt is funny how Kyle Hayes was given an All Star despite his criminal convictions yet Rory Gallagher can't get the Derry job (or another county job) because of alleged criminality.
Think a fight in a nightclub is a bit different than beating up a woman for years...
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 03, 2024, 07:15:08 AMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on November 02, 2024, 10:15:24 PMIt is funny how Kyle Hayes was given an All Star despite his criminal convictions yet Rory Gallagher can't get the Derry job (or another county job) because of alleged criminality.
Think a fight in a nightclub is a bit different than beating up a woman for years...
Is there a difference and more importantly, who draws the line on what's ok/not ok?
I hink there used to be a rule years ago that if you got sent off on a red card, you did't get an All-Star. Maybe happened to Kieran Mc Keever or am I incorrect?
Kieran McKeever and Tom Morrisey Clare cost them both a All atar.
Did McKeever miss out in 1993 because he broke Tommy Ryan's jaw in the league quarter final?
Think John Joe Doherty won his that year.
Yip. Back then it was 2 month suspension, still shouldn't hit him though.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on November 01, 2024, 03:17:04 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on November 01, 2024, 01:22:04 PMQuote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 01:13:27 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on October 31, 2024, 09:35:50 AMQuote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 09:24:28 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 08:57:35 AMNovelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.
But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.
Everyone keeps saying 'team'... These are individual awards. Morgan in the games he played was by a distance the best keeper in the country
He was probaly the best at everything bar stopping the ball from going into the goals.
How many goals did he concede ?
14 or so
And how many of those 14 were directly linked to him or could he have saved? Not exactly Morgan's fault that when defending we allow players to run from deep without tracking them
Thats not the point there are plenty of keepers who let in lots of goals aswell due to having poor defence in front of them.
Quote from: Cavan19 on November 03, 2024, 03:07:14 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on November 01, 2024, 03:17:04 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on November 01, 2024, 01:22:04 PMQuote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 01:13:27 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on October 31, 2024, 09:35:50 AMQuote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 09:24:28 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 08:57:35 AMNovelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.
But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.
Everyone keeps saying 'team'... These are individual awards. Morgan in the games he played was by a distance the best keeper in the country
He was probaly the best at everything bar stopping the ball from going into the goals.
How many goals did he concede ?
14 or so
And how many of those 14 were directly linked to him or could he have saved? Not exactly Morgan's fault that when defending we allow players to run from deep without tracking them
Thats not the point there are plenty of keepers who let in lots of goals aswell due to having poor defence in front of them.
I'm struggling to see what the criteria is. If goals conceded doesn't come into because they are the defence's fault, then presumably kick outs won don't come into either. Then is contribution to scores or what exactly is it?
Morgan is a brilliant keeper. Hughes is a level below but Hughes was a major factor in an all Ireland win and kept a previous years all star nominee out of a starting spot.
Morgan was a significant contributor to a team than underachieved.
For me if Armagh hadn't have had Hughes they wouldn't be All Ireland Champions. Had Tyrone not have had Morgan they wouldn't have finished much worse off.
Quote from: David McKeown on November 03, 2024, 09:38:12 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on November 03, 2024, 03:07:14 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on November 01, 2024, 03:17:04 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on November 01, 2024, 01:22:04 PMQuote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 01:13:27 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on October 31, 2024, 09:35:50 AMQuote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 09:24:28 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 08:57:35 AMNovelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.
But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.
Everyone keeps saying 'team'... These are individual awards. Morgan in the games he played was by a distance the best keeper in the country
He was probaly the best at everything bar stopping the ball from going into the goals.
How many goals did he concede ?
14 or so
And how many of those 14 were directly linked to him or could he have saved? Not exactly Morgan's fault that when defending we allow players to run from deep without tracking them
Thats not the point there are plenty of keepers who let in lots of goals aswell due to having poor defence in front of them.
I'm struggling to see what the criteria is. If goals conceded doesn't come into because they are the defence's fault, then presumably kick outs won don't come into either. Then is contribution to scores or what exactly is it?
Morgan is a brilliant keeper. Hughes is a level below but Hughes was a major factor in an all Ireland win and kept a previous years all star nominee out of a starting spot.
Morgan was a significant contributor to a team than underachieved.
For me if Armagh hadn't have had Hughes they wouldn't be All Ireland Champions. Had Tyrone not have had Morgan they wouldn't have finished much worse off.
We don't know if that's true or not but if so, it is because Armagh don't have the luxury of replacing him with someone better. The panel picking the All Stars do.
You could make that case about every player on the Armagh team.
They fully deserved the All Ireland win but they didn't have the best 15 players in the championship.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 01, 2024, 06:12:34 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on November 01, 2024, 04:54:47 PMQuote from: Taylor on November 01, 2024, 04:11:28 PMFor what its worth I rate Morgan as the best all round keeper by a country mile.
The man has it all in his locker.
However, he wasnt the best keeper in the country in 2024. If we had got to the further stages of the c'ship then he was a shoe in. But we didnt so he should not have been selected.
If he was the best player in the games he was involved in and this warranted an All Star then there are many other players in the country who will be expecting All Stars in the future.
Feel the All Star selectors have really messed up here.
Funny. I don't recall this outrage over Enda Smith getting an All Star last year. Is there a difference in both situations?
Was there a clearly more deserving man in his position who lost out? The goalkeeper one will probably stick out more given theres only one obviously, while forwards can be jigged around to suit
Well based on some Armagh fans logic it should have been someone that won the All Ireland that year
A lot of plaudits for Morgan on here as a great keeper, I just don't get it.
For me he is the personification of Tyrone's demise, his ego is more important than the team.
Armagh would have won nothing this year with a Morgan type doing goals.
Quote from: Keyser soze on November 04, 2024, 10:09:54 AMA lot of plaudits for Morgan on here as a great keeper, I just don't get it.
For me he is the personification of Tyrone's demise, his ego is more important than the team.
Armagh would have won nothing this year with a Morgan type doing goals.
A real head pickler :o. What has Morgan done that has negatively impacted his team in recent years? Surely he's a huge positive, not sure how anyone could say otherwise tbh.
But for an ankle injury Armagh would have had Ethan Rafferty doing goals this year in the same style as Morgan. Hughes game has improved immensely this year and Rafferty didn't get back in. tome Morgan is the best in the country, if that is what an all star is then he deserved it. If it is based on a significant contribution to an AI win the it should have gone to Hughes.
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 04, 2024, 11:22:56 AMBut for an ankle injury Armagh would have had Ethan Rafferty doing goals this year in the same style as Morgan. Hughes game has improved immensely this year and Rafferty didn't get back in. tome Morgan is the best in the country, if that is what an all star is then he deserved it. If it is based on a significant contribution to an AI win the it should have gone to Hughes.
Con O'Callaghan, David Clifford and Brian Fenton are the best players in the country.
They didn't have better 2024's than the lads who got All Stars.
Same thing here.
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 04, 2024, 11:22:56 AMBut for an ankle injury Armagh would have had Ethan Rafferty doing goals this year in the same style as Morgan. Hughes game has improved immensely this year and Rafferty didn't get back in. tome Morgan is the best in the country, if that is what an all star is then he deserved it. If it is based on a significant contribution to an AI win the it should have gone to Hughes.
How could a player outside of Armagh get an All Star this year if that is the criteria?
Quote from: JoG2 on November 04, 2024, 11:19:34 AMQuote from: Keyser soze on November 04, 2024, 10:09:54 AMA lot of plaudits for Morgan on here as a great keeper, I just don't get it.
For me he is the personification of Tyrone's demise, his ego is more important than the team.
Armagh would have won nothing this year with a Morgan type doing goals.
A real head pickler :o. What has Morgan done that has negatively impacted his team in recent years? Surely he's a huge positive, not sure how anyone could say otherwise tbh.
He's not team player, everything he does and says confirms this.
Cluxton redefined the role of the goalkeeper for this generation of footballers. He was the epitome of a team player with modesty and humility at his core. Morgan is the complete antithesis of that image.
I imagine his attitude and therefore his role will significantly change under O'Rourke. If not Tyrone will have a new keeper. And my money would be on the latter.
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 04, 2024, 11:22:56 AMBut for an ankle injury Armagh would have had Ethan Rafferty doing goals this year in the same style as Morgan. Hughes game has improved immensely this year and Rafferty didn't get back in. tome Morgan is the best in the country, if that is what an all star is then he deserved it. If it is based on a significant contribution to an AI win the it should have gone to Hughes.
Same reasoning should go to Enda Smith winning an All Star in 2023 then lol.
Quote from: Keyser soze on November 04, 2024, 12:03:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on November 04, 2024, 11:19:34 AMQuote from: Keyser soze on November 04, 2024, 10:09:54 AMA lot of plaudits for Morgan on here as a great keeper, I just don't get it.
For me he is the personification of Tyrone's demise, his ego is more important than the team.
Armagh would have won nothing this year with a Morgan type doing goals.
A real head pickler :o. What has Morgan done that has negatively impacted his team in recent years? Surely he's a huge positive, not sure how anyone could say otherwise tbh.
He's not team player, everything he does and says confirms this.
Cluxton redefined the role of the goalkeeper for this generation of footballers. He was the epitome of a team player with modesty and humility at his core. Morgan is the complete antithesis of that image.
I imagine his attitude and therefore his role will significantly change under O'Rourke. If not Tyrone will have a new keeper. And my money would be on the latter.
What keeper in Tyrone can come in and be a county standard keeper? And what does Morgan actually do on the field for ou to say he's not a team player? How many Tyrone games did you watch because if you watched any at all you'd see what Morgan does. Whilst our defenders were to busy walking up the pitch it was Morgan a good 80% of the time that drove the team forward e.g. his pass to Canavan vs Monaghan, should've had a goal vs Clare, scored from play and delivered a decent amount of ball into the ff line. So what does he do on the field to say he's not a team player exactly?
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 04, 2024, 11:27:05 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on November 04, 2024, 11:22:56 AMBut for an ankle injury Armagh would have had Ethan Rafferty doing goals this year in the same style as Morgan. Hughes game has improved immensely this year and Rafferty didn't get back in. tome Morgan is the best in the country, if that is what an all star is then he deserved it. If it is based on a significant contribution to an AI win the it should have gone to Hughes.
Con O'Callaghan, David Clifford and Brian Fenton are the best players in the country.
They didn't have better 2024's than the lads who got All Stars.
Same thing here.
I'm nit picking but Con hasn't been a top 10 player for a few years now imo
Quote from: Keyser soze on November 04, 2024, 12:03:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on November 04, 2024, 11:19:34 AMQuote from: Keyser soze on November 04, 2024, 10:09:54 AMA lot of plaudits for Morgan on here as a great keeper, I just don't get it.
For me he is the personification of Tyrone's demise, his ego is more important than the team.
Armagh would have won nothing this year with a Morgan type doing goals.
A real head pickler :o. What has Morgan done that has negatively impacted his team in recent years? Surely he's a huge positive, not sure how anyone could say otherwise tbh.
He's not team player, everything he does and says confirms this.
Cluxton redefined the role of the goalkeeper for this generation of footballers. He was the epitome of a team player with modesty and humility at his core. Morgan is the complete antithesis of that image.
I imagine his attitude and therefore his role will significantly change under O'Rourke. If not Tyrone will have a new keeper. And my money would be on the latter.
Seriously strange take
Quote from: Mario on November 04, 2024, 12:58:34 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 04, 2024, 11:27:05 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on November 04, 2024, 11:22:56 AMBut for an ankle injury Armagh would have had Ethan Rafferty doing goals this year in the same style as Morgan. Hughes game has improved immensely this year and Rafferty didn't get back in. tome Morgan is the best in the country, if that is what an all star is then he deserved it. If it is based on a significant contribution to an AI win the it should have gone to Hughes.
Con O'Callaghan, David Clifford and Brian Fenton are the best players in the country.
They didn't have better 2024's than the lads who got All Stars.
Same thing here.
I'm nit picking but Con hasn't been a top 10 player for a few years now imo
Fair enough but if we're talking strictly ability wise/at their best.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 04, 2024, 01:18:53 PMQuote from: Mario on November 04, 2024, 12:58:34 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 04, 2024, 11:27:05 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on November 04, 2024, 11:22:56 AMBut for an ankle injury Armagh would have had Ethan Rafferty doing goals this year in the same style as Morgan. Hughes game has improved immensely this year and Rafferty didn't get back in. tome Morgan is the best in the country, if that is what an all star is then he deserved it. If it is based on a significant contribution to an AI win the it should have gone to Hughes.
Con O'Callaghan, David Clifford and Brian Fenton are the best players in the country.
They didn't have better 2024's than the lads who got All Stars.
Same thing here.
I'm nit picking but Con hasn't been a top 10 player for a few years now imo
Fair enough but if we're talking strictly ability wise/at their best.
But we're not, this is the 2024 All Stars, not the all time All Stars, modern footballers All Stars....
Can't understand the Morgan criticism. His awareness and his long kicking is a deadly weapon in today's ultra defensive tactics.
His pass to Canavan for that goal this year (can't recall the opposition), and his long ball up to McCurry in the 2021 AI final that almost resulted in a goal showed how his kicking can change the game in a second.
Whether he deserved the all star over Hughes, I'm not sure , as I didn't really see much of Tyrone's games this year
Quote from: JoG2 on November 04, 2024, 01:42:35 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 04, 2024, 01:18:53 PMQuote from: Mario on November 04, 2024, 12:58:34 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 04, 2024, 11:27:05 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on November 04, 2024, 11:22:56 AMBut for an ankle injury Armagh would have had Ethan Rafferty doing goals this year in the same style as Morgan. Hughes game has improved immensely this year and Rafferty didn't get back in. tome Morgan is the best in the country, if that is what an all star is then he deserved it. If it is based on a significant contribution to an AI win the it should have gone to Hughes.
Con O'Callaghan, David Clifford and Brian Fenton are the best players in the country.
They didn't have better 2024's than the lads who got All Stars.
Same thing here.
I'm nit picking but Con hasn't been a top 10 player for a few years now imo
Fair enough but if we're talking strictly ability wise/at their best.
But we're not, this is the 2024 All Stars, not the all time All Stars, modern footballers All Stars....
Thats the point I'm making. If you're picking the 15 best players in the country on ability you'd have Clifford, Con, Fenton, Morgan (or Begann). But we aren't and Blaine should have even there instead of Morgan, not even close
Quote from: David McKeown on November 03, 2024, 09:38:12 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on November 03, 2024, 03:07:14 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on November 01, 2024, 03:17:04 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on November 01, 2024, 01:22:04 PMQuote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 01:13:27 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on October 31, 2024, 09:35:50 AMQuote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2024, 09:24:28 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on October 31, 2024, 08:57:35 AMNovelty can play a big part in the All Stars so Louth putting in a shift in a provincial final, something rarely seen in Leinster, and getting to AIQF, I can see the logic in rewarding someone from the wee county.
But Morgan is a real head scratcher. Very ordinary year for a team with pedigree and AI medals in the arse pocket and bagfulls of previous All Star awards too for the county.
Everyone keeps saying 'team'... These are individual awards. Morgan in the games he played was by a distance the best keeper in the country
He was probaly the best at everything bar stopping the ball from going into the goals.
How many goals did he concede ?
14 or so
And how many of those 14 were directly linked to him or could he have saved? Not exactly Morgan's fault that when defending we allow players to run from deep without tracking them
Thats not the point there are plenty of keepers who let in lots of goals aswell due to having poor defence in front of them.
I'm struggling to see what the criteria is. If goals conceded doesn't come into because they are the defence's fault, then presumably kick outs won don't come into either. Then is contribution to scores or what exactly is it?
Morgan is a brilliant keeper. Hughes is a level below but Hughes was a major factor in an all Ireland win and kept a previous years all star nominee out of a starting spot.
Morgan was a significant contributor to a team than underachieved.
For me if Armagh hadn't have had Hughes they wouldn't be All Ireland Champions. Had Tyrone not have had Morgan they wouldn't have finished much worse off.
I'd agree. Hugely important player in Armagh's All Ireland success, his impact seemed to fly over the heads of the journalists that picked the goalkeeping All Star.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 04, 2024, 02:09:59 PMQuote from: JoG2 on November 04, 2024, 01:42:35 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 04, 2024, 01:18:53 PMQuote from: Mario on November 04, 2024, 12:58:34 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 04, 2024, 11:27:05 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on November 04, 2024, 11:22:56 AMBut for an ankle injury Armagh would have had Ethan Rafferty doing goals this year in the same style as Morgan. Hughes game has improved immensely this year and Rafferty didn't get back in. tome Morgan is the best in the country, if that is what an all star is then he deserved it. If it is based on a significant contribution to an AI win the it should have gone to Hughes.
Con O'Callaghan, David Clifford and Brian Fenton are the best players in the country.
They didn't have better 2024's than the lads who got All Stars.
Same thing here.
I'm nit picking but Con hasn't been a top 10 player for a few years now imo
Fair enough but if we're talking strictly ability wise/at their best.
But we're not, this is the 2024 All Stars, not the all time All Stars, modern footballers All Stars....
Thats the point I'm making. If you're picking the 15 best players in the country on ability you'd have Clifford, Con, Fenton, Morgan (or Begann). But we aren't and Blaine should have even there instead of Morgan, not even close
No one is but yourself and someone else though.. This is the 2024 All Stars. Hughes maybe played more games, but Morgan was better
this year imo. How you come up with the 'not even close', only you will know, but it's you're opinion of course
If you say anything then it sounds like sour grapes or you have orange tinted spec's on. If the panel that picked the All Stars could explain the criteria then it would clear things up. I'm not too bothered about it TBH but I would be interested to hear how they choose.
As some people have already stated if it's for the best players then Dublin and Kerry would have at the very least 3 each on the 15, with Galway having 3 too. For me Morgan is the best GAA keeper in the Country so he'd be in too, as far as I can work out there'd be 5 more positions to fill from another 29 Counties including the All Ireland Champions. When you use that logic then you cannot pick the best players from the previous few years but the best players in this current year which changes everything, as I said I won't lose any sleep over it but I would like to hear the criteria.
Kyle Hayes got a Liveline roasting the last two days. The gist was a felon show not be rewarded with an All Star. Not sure what I thought on the topic. Found the witch-hunt uncomfortable. But I could see merit to the argument.
Joe Duffy as usual was annoyingly righteous and in no way a neutral presenter. I would expect anything less as his show is built around drawing peoples opinions out.