If Galway win in two weeks time; after all the hurt Mayo have been through since 2004 and beforehand; will Mayo people be incredibly bitter or will it be the encouragement they need to get over the line themselves.
Nothing won yet and Armagh have as good a chance but some Mayo people I know have Armagh jersyes ordered for the final and others would be happy enough to see Galway win it.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 15, 2024, 09:22:00 AMIf Galway win in two weeks time; after all the hurt Mayo have been through since 2004 and beforehand; will Mayo people be incredibly bitter or will it be the encouragement they need to get over the line themselves.
Nothing won yet and Armagh have as good a chance but some Mayo people I know have Armagh jersyes ordered for the final and others would be happy enough to see Galway win it.
Okay I will bite!!
I would say some Mayo people will be incredibly bitter and on the other side some will find huge motivation in it but for the majority (while the jibes from Galway people will be annoying as hell) it will just hammer home how many chances we didn't take when it was right there for us to win. I think the final losses in 16, 17 & 21 finally made the majority of Mayo people realise the woe is me/we are so unlucky/the refs are against us is bollix when you have had so many chances to win Sam. It doesn't make all those losses any easier to take but it does give you a different slant on what it will take for Mayo to get over the line and hence makes it futile to be bitter to Galway,Armagh,Donegal,Cork,Roscommon or whatever team makes the break through in the next few years.
N.B. One caveat, when Meath eventually stop being a shambles years and years from now and win Sam before we manage to break our duck I will be incredibly bitter and all I said above goes out the window!!
I have nothing against Mayo. Some of them might be bitter towards Galway, others aren't. We've no reason to be upset by them.
History has shown that when Galway get a good team together we make it count. Mayo haven't been able to do that and maybe that hurts some of them.
If Galway win Sam they won't give 2 hoots who might or might not be hurt or upset ;D
They're very insensitive hoors!
Armagh will save the day for Mayo !
Quote from: naka on July 18, 2024, 11:05:27 AMArmagh will save the day for Mayo !
No they wont
Quote from: naka on July 18, 2024, 11:05:27 AMArmagh will save the day for Mayo !
That's the plan alright however Mayo have nobody to blame but themselves. More than enough opportunities with all the finals Mayo reached and lost a few finals that was there to be won.
Galway of course are unique in Connacht in that they have a natural confidence, indeed cockiness, if they make a final. The Galway 1960s 3 in a row never had it easy in Connacht, the 1998-2001 team needed a replay and extra time to beat Ros, lost to us in 2001 before beating us in inaugural back door qtr final. This team scraped over Sligo and Mayo. But they are only Connacht county you could put your trust in to win. That said a Galway win could be like Down win in 1991. Suddenly you had Donegal, Derry winning. It could be the required boot up the arse for Mayo, and indeed ourselves who wouldn't see ourselves as a mile off Galway. That said: it's 50/50 All-Ireland and one to look forward to.
The AI Championship has virtually passed us by here in Mayo. On top of us not being as good as we used to be and Fan loyalty fatigue. Many who spent a decade on the road with countless disappointments have now found a life outside being a fan. That coupled with the Condensed Championship has seen a bit of the buzz go out of the Competition.
In other words - we don't care anymore. ;D
Mayo had the unfortunate luck of running into the strongest Dublin team of all time. They had been about now, Galway or Armagh would been seen as having little hope against them.Saying that, Mayo should beat Meath in 1996 twice.
I would say that about 70% of Mayo supporters (I know) would be happy to see Galway win.
While there's a fierce rivalry, you just wouldn't have the same level of hatred you'd find towards the Rossies.
After the loss against Tyrone, I really just don't care anymore.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 18, 2024, 11:08:46 PMMayo had the unfortunate luck of running into the strongest Dublin team of all time. They had been about now, Galway or Armagh would been seen as having little hope against them.Saying that, Mayo should beat Meath in 1996 twice.
Would Mayo have won an All Ireland if that Dublin team didn't exist? I'm not so sure.
I think that Dublin team brought the best out in Mayo.
Mayo struggled in a lot of games in the lead up to some of those finals.
Games v Derry and fermanagh spring to mind. Needing extra time to beat Cork and Derry, a replay v Roscommon.
Didn't win Connacht in 2016 or 2017.
Was incredible how they could compete with Dublin at all. They were an incredibly athletic team and could match Dublin physically which many teams couldn't at the time.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 18, 2024, 11:33:06 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on July 18, 2024, 11:08:46 PMMayo had the unfortunate luck of running into the strongest Dublin team of all time. They had been about now, Galway or Armagh would been seen as having little hope against them.Saying that, Mayo should beat Meath in 1996 twice.
Would Mayo have won an All Ireland if that Dublin team didn't exist? I'm not so sure.
I think that Dublin team brought the best out in Mayo.
Mayo struggled in a lot of games in the lead up to some of those finals.
Games v Derry and fermanagh spring to mind. Needing extra time to beat Cork and Derry, a replay v Roscommon.
Didn't win Connacht in 2016 or 2017.
Was incredible how they could compete with Dublin at all. They were an incredibly athletic team and could match Dublin physically which many teams couldn't at the time.
I'd say you're in a tiny minority
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 18, 2024, 11:33:06 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on July 18, 2024, 11:08:46 PMMayo had the unfortunate luck of running into the strongest Dublin team of all time. They had been about now, Galway or Armagh would been seen as having little hope against them.Saying that, Mayo should beat Meath in 1996 twice.
Would Mayo have won an All Ireland if that Dublin team didn't exist? I'm not so sure.
I think that Dublin team brought the best out in Mayo.
Mayo struggled in a lot of games in the lead up to some of those finals.
Games v Derry and fermanagh spring to mind. Needing extra time to beat Cork and Derry, a replay v Roscommon.
Didn't win Connacht in 2016 or 2017.
Was incredible how they could compete with Dublin at all. They were an incredibly athletic team and could match Dublin physically which many teams couldn't at the time.
If it wasn't Dublin in those finals Mayo probably have lost to someone else as was the case in 2012,2021 with losing to Donegal,Tyrone.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 19, 2024, 12:11:42 AMIf it wasn't Dublin in those finals Mayo probably have lost to someone else as was the case in 2012,2021 with losing to Donegal,Tyrone.
No, Dublin in their prime were a fine team, Mayo would have beaten a more usual team at some stage.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 18, 2024, 11:08:46 PMMayo had the unfortunate luck of running into the strongest Dublin team of all time. They had been about now, Galway or Armagh would been seen as having little hope against them.Saying that, Mayo should beat Meath in 1996 twice.
Galway beat Mayo in championship in 2016, 2017 and 2018. That Galway team wouldn't get next or near this current version
The Mayo losses to the dubs were admirable at the time for how close they ran them. They were also somewhat outliers. Outside of the losses to Galway, there was draws to D4 teams like Derry in the qualifiers, contentious decisions to scrape by Fermanagh, draw with Roscommon in Croker etc.
Plenty of dubs players in media since, while being completely respectful towards mayo, thought Dublin completely underperformed in some of those close Mayo games at the time. Got the tactics wrong and lost control. The 7 point Dublin win in 2015, and the 12 point hammering in 2019 being the occasions they got it right
Don't know if that Mayo team would have hit the same heights. Both those teams seemed to bring the best out of each other, Mayo seemed to play to the level of the opposition at times. Remember they struggled past us in maybe 2019 and Derry near caught them as well and obviously didn't win Connacht a good few years with that team.
Nobody else could put it up to Dublin in the same time period,I think Mayo would won a couple.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 19, 2024, 01:38:41 AMNobody else could put it up to Dublin in the same time period,I think Mayo would won a couple.
Kerry did, 2016 All Ireland semi final it took two added time points for Dublin to prevail, was one score between the two in the 2015 final and took a replay to win the 2019 final.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 18, 2024, 11:33:06 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on July 18, 2024, 11:08:46 PMMayo had the unfortunate luck of running into the strongest Dublin team of all time. They had been about now, Galway or Armagh would been seen as having little hope against them.Saying that, Mayo should beat Meath in 1996 twice.
Would Mayo have won an All Ireland if that Dublin team didn't exist? I'm not so sure.
I think that Dublin team brought the best out in Mayo.
Mayo struggled in a lot of games in the lead up to some of those finals.
Games v Derry and fermanagh spring to mind. Needing extra time to beat Cork and Derry, a replay v Roscommon.
Didn't win Connacht in 2016 or 2017.
Was incredible how they could compete with Dublin at all. They were an incredibly athletic team and could match Dublin physically which many teams couldn't at the time.
Galway needed an injury time goal to beat Sligo this year and similarly against Westmeath.
Quote from: Tubberman on July 19, 2024, 06:52:22 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 18, 2024, 11:33:06 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on July 18, 2024, 11:08:46 PMMayo had the unfortunate luck of running into the strongest Dublin team of all time. They had been about now, Galway or Armagh would been seen as having little hope against them.Saying that, Mayo should beat Meath in 1996 twice.
Would Mayo have won an All Ireland if that Dublin team didn't exist? I'm not so sure.
I think that Dublin team brought the best out in Mayo.
Mayo struggled in a lot of games in the lead up to some of those finals.
Games v Derry and fermanagh spring to mind. Needing extra time to beat Cork and Derry, a replay v Roscommon.
Didn't win Connacht in 2016 or 2017.
Was incredible how they could compete with Dublin at all. They were an incredibly athletic team and could match Dublin physically which many teams couldn't at the time.
Galway needed an injury time goal to beat Sligo this year and similarly against Westmeath.
That is true but they werent do or die games. Galway would still have been in the championship if they lost those. Westmeath have proved tricky opposition for whoever they have played.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 19, 2024, 12:11:42 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 18, 2024, 11:33:06 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on July 18, 2024, 11:08:46 PMMayo had the unfortunate luck of running into the strongest Dublin team of all time. They had been about now, Galway or Armagh would been seen as having little hope against them.Saying that, Mayo should beat Meath in 1996 twice.
Would Mayo have won an All Ireland if that Dublin team didn't exist? I'm not so sure.
I think that Dublin team brought the best out in Mayo.
Mayo struggled in a lot of games in the lead up to some of those finals.
Games v Derry and fermanagh spring to mind. Needing extra time to beat Cork and Derry, a replay v Roscommon.
Didn't win Connacht in 2016 or 2017.
Was incredible how they could compete with Dublin at all. They were an incredibly athletic team and could match Dublin physically which many teams couldn't at the time.
If it wasn't Dublin in those finals Mayo probably have lost to someone else as was the case in 2012,2021 with losing to Donegal,Tyrone.
Yes, in 2021 Mayo had a chance to win the easiest All Ireland in living memory and couldn't close the deal.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 19, 2024, 12:21:13 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on July 19, 2024, 12:11:42 AMIf it wasn't Dublin in those finals Mayo probably have lost to someone else as was the case in 2012,2021 with losing to Donegal,Tyrone.
No, Dublin in their prime were a fine team, Mayo would have beaten a more usual team at some stage.
Some of those final performances by Dublin was average, they simply capitalised on the Mayo errors and lack of displine to get over the line. Vaughan for example getting himself sent off.
I always believed Mayo would have beat Dublin some of those years pre the final. There was one year, they all blur into one, Gavin dropped Connolly, Brogan and maybe one other and you'd the likes of O'Gara on who wouldn't be as good. Dublin were there for the taking.
The Tyrone game for me was their kicker for me. You could tell very early on in that game there wasn't the belief in them to win it forgetting ability and Tyrone were pretty ruthless with them.
Mayo also hadn't an All Ireland winning forward line.
However they had arguably the best and most dangerous half back line of all time.
HB line plus Higgins drove them.
Only 1 forward though in "Elbows", which was their downfall.
Very comparable to the derry team now.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 19, 2024, 12:51:48 PMHB line plus Higgins drove them.
Only 1 forward though in "Elbows", which was their downfall.
And not forgetting a former 'player of the year' of course
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 19, 2024, 12:11:42 AMIf it wasn't Dublin in those finals Mayo probably have lost to someone else as was the case in 2012,2021 with losing to Donegal,Tyrone.
Those finals just proved that anyone could beat Mayo. Maybe Dublin just were not as good as they were made out to be.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 19, 2024, 01:53:24 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on July 19, 2024, 01:38:41 AMNobody else could put it up to Dublin in the same time period,I think Mayo would won a couple.
Kerry did, 2016 All Ireland semi final it took two added time points for Dublin to prevail, was one score between the two in the 2015 final and took a replay to win the 2019 final.
So it was not only Mayo who choked against Dublin coming into the final minutes.
Was a powerful Dublin team. Mayo were unfortunate to come up against them. The one that got away was 1996. If they won that they'd have created a modern tradition. Instead they lost a winnable one again in 1997, and Galway came out of seemingly nowhere and won in 1998. Those in the know of course knew they had a promising bunch which is why Val Daly doing a great job still had to give way to Johnno (RIP) to get them over the line. All-Irelands are a lot harder won now.
Quote from: weareros on July 19, 2024, 06:53:07 PMWas a powerful Dublin team. Mayo were unfortunate to come up against them. The one that got away was 1996. If they won that they'd have created a modern tradition. Instead they lost a winnable one again in 1997, and Galway came out of seemingly nowhere and won in 1998. Those in the know of course knew they had a promising bunch which is why Val Daly doing a great job still had to give way to Johnno (RIP) to get them over the line. All-Irelands are a lot harder won now.
Ah, Give Credit to Meath they won an AI in '99 after that. As for it changing Mayo. If you use Galway as a template for success, theirs only lasted for 3 years - 1998 to 2001. After that they drifted back to where they were. I actually think the hunger for success has kept Mayo competitive.
Quote from: weareros on July 19, 2024, 06:53:07 PMWas a powerful Dublin team. Mayo were unfortunate to come up against them. The one that got away was 1996. If they won that they'd have created a modern tradition. Instead they lost a winnable one again in 1997
Meath played better in that 1996 final than Dublin did 20 years later in the drawn final, so arguably a most winnable one for Mayo.
Would winning Sam this year mean more to Galway than the hurling win in 2017.
Or is it a matter of preference I know the north and west is football and the south and south east hurling.
What would mean more to the city? Alot of the football players are from clubs in and around the city
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 20, 2024, 04:42:11 PMWould winning Sam this year mean more to Galway than the hurling win in 2017.
Or is it a matter of preference I know the north and west is football and the south and south east hurling.
What would mean more to the city? Alot of the football players are from clubs in and around the city
Very much an individual thing.
I personally don't really follow the Galway hurlers at all. Probably because I've never played the game & there wouldn't be any county hurlers around where I grew up.
So 2017 wasn't a big thing for me at all. Whereas I follow the footballers everywhere. Others will be different.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 20, 2024, 04:42:11 PMWould winning Sam this year mean more to Galway than the hurling win in 2017.
Or is it a matter of preference I know the north and west is football and the south and south east hurling.
What would mean more to the city? Alot of the football players are from clubs in and around the city
As a person from a strong dual-area it would be at least on a par with 2017. However, in my experience, people from football-areas (i.e. north / west Galway) are much more clued-in about hurling success than vice-versa. I've heard (many) stories about people from south Galway hurling strongholds that were indifferent to the footballers' progress this and other years.
Which is a pity. When Galway have a good football team that is capable of winning an AI title, they're usually hard beaten, unlike the hurling counterparts.
Quote from: mouview on July 22, 2024, 01:01:17 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 20, 2024, 04:42:11 PMWould winning Sam this year mean more to Galway than the hurling win in 2017.
Or is it a matter of preference I know the north and west is football and the south and south east hurling.
What would mean more to the city? Alot of the football players are from clubs in and around the city
As a person from a strong dual-area it would be at least on a par with 2017. However, in my experience, people from football-areas (i.e. north / west Galway) are much more clued-in about hurling success than vice-versa. I've heard (many) stories about people from south Galway hurling strongholds that were indifferent to the footballers' progress this and other years.
Which is a pity. When Galway have a good football team that is capable of winning an AI title, they're usually hard beaten, unlike the hurling counterparts.
Would there be any flags up in the towns of Gort, Portumna, Loughrea or Athenry?
I know the latter two are slightly more dual.
I feel some resentment at seeing Armagh in the final given that Derry are the ones with 2 Ulster championships in a row. Although I do want them to win given that they are northern, maybe when the ball is thrown in my bitterness may consume me.
We can lock this thread now! ;)
:)