Let's get it up and running.
Galway have the measure of Armagh
If two weeks is enough to get their walking wounded mostly match fit then Galway I'd pick to win narrowly.
But I'd say it unlikely and Armagh more likely victors at this stage.
A 50/50 final, but I'd imagine Galway will be slight bookie favourites.
What will the skip situation be? Armagh in Orange v Galway was harsh, in black would probably be worse.
Modern day rivals!
Played about 5 times already in the last 10-12 years. Last three championship games:
2022 - drawn AET - Galway win on pens
2023 - Armagh win group game
2024 - Draw in group game
Absolutely nothing between them!
Galway alight favourites presumably because they have AIF experience.
81 years since the last (and only) time a Connaught team beat an Ulster team in a final (Roscommon over Cavan).
Galway need to get ahead early and stay there. Armagh have the hunger and fitness that if they're in the running in the last 10 mins then they'll put serious pressure on Galway. Galway need to build an early lead to try and kill off that belief that Armagh seem to have built from their hard fought wins(and losses).
Either way, t'is great for the neutral.
A Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
Looking forward to it. First since 2010 not to feature at least one of Dublin, Kerry or Mayo.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on July 14, 2024, 06:02:25 PMA Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
Wouldn't expect anything less. Jimmy isn't winning matches anymore this year.
Quote from: borderfox on July 14, 2024, 06:06:59 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on July 14, 2024, 06:02:25 PMA Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
Wouldn't expect anything less. Jimmy isn't winning matches anymore this year.
Yeah, one Donegal supporter clearly represents the general views of all Donegal people. ::)
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on July 14, 2024, 06:02:25 PMA Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
Aren't Donegal also a "Southern" team though....
Quote from: jcpen on July 14, 2024, 06:22:17 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on July 14, 2024, 06:02:25 PMA Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
Aren't Donegal also a "Southern" team though....
It is not as far south as Armagh.
Quote from: APM on July 14, 2024, 05:56:59 PMModern day rivals!
Played about 5 times already in the last 10-12 years. Last three championship games:
2022 - drawn AET - Galway win on pens
2023 - Armagh win group game
2024 - Draw in group game
Absolutely nothing between them!
Galway alight favourites presumably because they have AIF experience.
The fittest and most conditioned teams in action this years championship IMO with the best strength depth. As you say nothing between the sides though Galway deserve the favorites tag having played in the final two years ago.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on July 14, 2024, 06:02:25 PMA Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
I couldn't care less who they support in the final, I don't expect we'll have much support from Tyrone or Down fans in the final either and that's what you would expect.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 14, 2024, 05:57:18 PM81 years since the last (and only) time a Connaught team beat an Ulster team in a final (Roscommon over Cavan).
The good oul days and it's CONNACHT.
Wouldn't have been many Connacht Ulster deciders since, 1 or 2 Cavan v Mayowestros in the 40s,50s?
And 2021.
Quote from: APM on July 14, 2024, 05:56:59 PMModern day rivals!
Played about 5 times already in the last 10-12 years. Last three championship games:
2022 - drawn AET - Galway win on pens
2023 - Armagh win group game
2024 - Draw in group game
Absolutely nothing between them!
Galway alight favourites presumably because they have AIF experience.
Galway were the better team in 2022 and 2024 but were sucker punched by unlucky goals against the run of play.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 14, 2024, 06:47:57 PMQuote from: blanketattack on July 14, 2024, 05:57:18 PM81 years since the last (and only) time a Connaught team beat an Ulster team in a final (Roscommon over Cavan).
The good oul days and it's CONNACHT.
Wouldn't have been many Connacht Ulster deciders since, 1 or 2 Cavan v Mayowestros in the 40s,50s?
And 2021.
Three I count
Cavan v Mayo
Donegal v Mayo
Tyrone v Mayo
Quote from: yellowcard on July 14, 2024, 06:44:44 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on July 14, 2024, 06:02:25 PMA Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
I couldn't care less who they support in the final, I don't expect we'll have much support from Tyrone or Down fans in the final either and that's what you would expect.
100%. I had Loais and Kerry supporters on either side of me yesterday and the Loais supporter was a lot more boisterous in his support for 'the kingdom'. He left at HT, unfortunately 😔
Quote from: yellowcard on July 14, 2024, 06:44:44 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on July 14, 2024, 06:02:25 PMA Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
I couldn't care less who they support in the final, I don't expect we'll have much support from Tyrone or Down fans in the final either and that's what you would expect.
"Support" from other Counties will only be shoutin at the telly anyway.
Hope all the folks from both Counties who attended the Group game in Marky Park get tickets for the Final.
Quote from: J70 on July 14, 2024, 06:16:58 PMQuote from: borderfox on July 14, 2024, 06:06:59 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on July 14, 2024, 06:02:25 PMA Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
Wouldn't expect anything less. Jimmy isn't winning matches anymore this year.
Yeah, one Donegal supporter clearly represents the general views of all Donegal people. ::)
Who do you think the majority of Donegal fans will support? Thomas niblock tweeted he was in a bar in Donegal for the Derry Mayo game and I was surprised to hear the majority of locals were supporting Mayo. I had similar experiences from Donegal fans when Derry played Galway 2022
Quote from: Mario on July 14, 2024, 06:51:13 PMQuote from: APM on July 14, 2024, 05:56:59 PMModern day rivals!
Played about 5 times already in the last 10-12 years. Last three championship games:
2022 - drawn AET - Galway win on pens
2023 - Armagh win group game
2024 - Draw in group game
Absolutely nothing between them!
Galway alight favourites presumably because they have AIF experience.
Galway were the better team in 2022 and 2024 but were sucker punched by unlucky goals against the run of play.
They still didn't win the match . Being the "better team" means diddly squat if you don't win
Quote from: Mario on July 14, 2024, 07:04:38 PMQuote from: J70 on July 14, 2024, 06:16:58 PMQuote from: borderfox on July 14, 2024, 06:06:59 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on July 14, 2024, 06:02:25 PMA Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
Wouldn't expect anything less. Jimmy isn't winning matches anymore this year.
Yeah, one Donegal supporter clearly represents the general views of all Donegal people. ::)
Who do you think the majority of Donegal fans will support? Thomas niblock tweeted he was in a bar in Donegal for the Derry Mayo game and I was surprised to hear the majority of locals were supporting Mayo. I had similar experiences from Donegal fans when Derry played Galway 2022
Seriously though why would anyone care who someone else supports. Support your own county and don't be worried about anyone else. It's a bizarre thing to be getting annoyed about.
If you're from one of the three counties in Ulster that are not occupied and you have worked down south as in far down south you soon realise that the people down there throw all of Ulster under the one canvas.
I've grown to have more of an affinity with all the Ulster teams because of that.
Having said that I'm slightly torn as I have a love of Galway too but if it was Mayo or Kerry in the final etc I'd be 100% in favour of Armagh.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 14, 2024, 07:19:42 PMIf you're from one of the three counties in Ulster that are not occupied and you have worked down south as in far down south you soon realise that the people down there throw all of Ulster under the one canvas.
I've grown to have more of an affinity with all the Ulster teams because of that.
Having said that I'm slightly torn as I have a love of Galway too but if it was Mayo or Kerry in the final etc I'd be 100% in favour of Armagh.
I suppose they throw the Ulster teams under the Ulster canvas? And Galway/Mayo/Sligo/Roscommon?leitrim under the Connacht canvas and so on?
Quote from: jcpen on July 14, 2024, 07:13:57 PMQuote from: Mario on July 14, 2024, 07:04:38 PMQuote from: J70 on July 14, 2024, 06:16:58 PMQuote from: borderfox on July 14, 2024, 06:06:59 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on July 14, 2024, 06:02:25 PMA Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
Wouldn't expect anything less. Jimmy isn't winning matches anymore this year.
Yeah, one Donegal supporter clearly represents the general views of all Donegal people. ::)
Who do you think the majority of Donegal fans will support? Thomas niblock tweeted he was in a bar in Donegal for the Derry Mayo game and I was surprised to hear the majority of locals were supporting Mayo. I had similar experiences from Donegal fans when Derry played Galway 2022
Seriously though why would anyone care who someone else supports. Support your own county and don't be worried about anyone else. It's a bizarre thing to be getting annoyed about.
I don't care but curious if Donegal fans would support the Ulster counties the way other Ulster counties do
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 14, 2024, 07:50:57 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 14, 2024, 07:19:42 PMIf you're from one of the three counties in Ulster that are not occupied and you have worked down south as in far down south you soon realise that the people down there throw all of Ulster under the one canvas.
I've grown to have more of an affinity with all the Ulster teams because of that.
Having said that I'm slightly torn as I have a love of Galway too but if it was Mayo or Kerry in the final etc I'd be 100% in favour of Armagh.
I suppose they throw the Ulster teams under the Ulster canvas? And Galway/Mayo/Sligo/Roscommon?leitrim under the Connacht canvas and so on?
Possibly but you'd be surprised how many people are not sure whether Cavan Donegal or Monaghan are in the "UK" or not.
Been asked many times.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on July 14, 2024, 06:02:25 PMA Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
Sensible girl. I'm sure she knows how hateful the Armagh crowd are.
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 14, 2024, 07:07:51 PMQuote from: Mario on July 14, 2024, 06:51:13 PMQuote from: APM on July 14, 2024, 05:56:59 PMModern day rivals!
Played about 5 times already in the last 10-12 years. Last three championship games:
2022 - drawn AET - Galway win on pens
2023 - Armagh win group game
2024 - Draw in group game
Absolutely nothing between them!
Galway alight favourites presumably because they have AIF experience.
Galway were the better team in 2022 and 2024 but were sucker punched by unlucky goals against the run of play.
They still didn't win the match . Being the "better team" means diddly squat if you don't win
What do you mean. They did win
Quote from: Mario on July 14, 2024, 08:46:00 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on July 14, 2024, 07:07:51 PMQuote from: Mario on July 14, 2024, 06:51:13 PMQuote from: APM on July 14, 2024, 05:56:59 PMModern day rivals!
Played about 5 times already in the last 10-12 years. Last three championship games:
2022 - drawn AET - Galway win on pens
2023 - Armagh win group game
2024 - Draw in group game
Absolutely nothing between them!
Galway alight favourites presumably because they have AIF experience.
Galway were the better team in 2022 and 2024 but were sucker punched by unlucky goals against the run of play.
They still didn't win the match . Being the "better team" means diddly squat if you don't win
What do you mean. They did win
They didn't win the game, they won the penalty kicking competition.
Quote from: borderfox on July 14, 2024, 07:00:07 PMQuote from: yellowcard on July 14, 2024, 06:44:44 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on July 14, 2024, 06:02:25 PMA Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
I couldn't care less who they support in the final, I don't expect we'll have much support from Tyrone or Down fans in the final either and that's what you would expect.
100%. I had Loais and Kerry supporters on either side of me yesterday and the Loais supporter was a lot more boisterous in his support for 'the kingdom'. He left at HT, unfortunately 😔
Laois seem to be one of the worst for the anti nordie stuff for some reason.
Glad to see Donegal out after the way that Donegal fan behaved during Hampsey's acceptance speech in 2021. It was disgusting behaviour and that's what most Donegal supporters think of Tyrone.
On the morning of the 2018 final at Portadown train station there were plenty of Armagh folk heading down to Dublin wearing Dublin jerseys. At Connolly station after the Mayo defeat in 2016 I had an Armagh fan ask me who won the big game while trying to keep a straight face so things like those mean I can never support Armagh.
I've never had an issue with Galway or their supporters so Come on Galway!
What I'm getting from this is it's ok for Ulster counties to want other Ulster counties to do well but if anyone outside of Ulster wants other counties outside of Ulster to do well then they are anti Nordie...
Jesus lads get over that chip on your shoulder and look forward to the All Ireland Final. This is all nonsense talk.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 14, 2024, 08:40:30 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on July 14, 2024, 06:02:25 PMA Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
Sensible girl. I'm sure she knows how hateful the Armagh crowd are.
f**k off
Quote from: Armagh4sam2024 on June 30, 2024, 06:41:47 PMGlad we got Kerry in the semis. They will not have want to play another northern county. Beating them will give us a boost that neither Dgal or Galway will be able to live with in the final.
Guess who knows his sh1t?? 8) 😄
Quote from: yellowcard on July 14, 2024, 06:44:44 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on July 14, 2024, 06:02:25 PMA Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
I couldn't care less who they support in the final, I don't expect we'll have much support from Tyrone or Down fans in the final either and that's what you would expect.
Were you in croke pk sat night? A lot of Down supporters for our neighbours.
Quote from: snoopdog on July 15, 2024, 06:54:24 AMQuote from: yellowcard on July 14, 2024, 06:44:44 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on July 14, 2024, 06:02:25 PMA Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
I couldn't care less who they support in the final, I don't expect we'll have much support from Tyrone or Down fans in the final either and that's what you would expect.
Were you in croke pk sat night? A lot of Down supporters for our neighbours.
I was pleasantly surprised by the amount of down ones round me supporting us
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 15, 2024, 07:17:30 AMQuote from: snoopdog on July 15, 2024, 06:54:24 AMQuote from: yellowcard on July 14, 2024, 06:44:44 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on July 14, 2024, 06:02:25 PMA Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
I couldn't care less who they support in the final, I don't expect we'll have much support from Tyrone or Down fans in the final either and that's what you would expect.
Were you in croke pk sat night? A lot of Down supporters for our neighbours.
I was pleasantly surprised by the amount of down ones round me supporting us
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 15, 2024, 07:17:30 AMQuote from: snoopdog on July 15, 2024, 06:54:24 AMQuote from: yellowcard on July 14, 2024, 06:44:44 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on July 14, 2024, 06:02:25 PMA Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
I couldn't care less who they support in the final, I don't expect we'll have much support from Tyrone or Down fans in the final either and that's what you would expect.
Were you in croke pk sat night? A lot of Down supporters for our neighbours.
I was pleasantly surprised by the amount of down ones round me supporting us
Sadly I didn't see many Armagh shouting for Down in the earlier game.
Who cares if Tyrone, Donegal or Down people want to support Galway? Armagh have a bigger support than any of them counties. I usually just go for the underdog if I'm neutral, but at the same time wouldn't begrudge whoever wins regardless of their pedigree.
Quote from: Mario on July 14, 2024, 08:03:20 PMQuote from: jcpen on July 14, 2024, 07:13:57 PMQuote from: Mario on July 14, 2024, 07:04:38 PMQuote from: J70 on July 14, 2024, 06:16:58 PMQuote from: borderfox on July 14, 2024, 06:06:59 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on July 14, 2024, 06:02:25 PMA Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
Wouldn't expect anything less. Jimmy isn't winning matches anymore this year.
Yeah, one Donegal supporter clearly represents the general views of all Donegal people. ::)
Who do you think the majority of Donegal fans will support? Thomas niblock tweeted he was in a bar in Donegal for the Derry Mayo game and I was surprised to hear the majority of locals were supporting Mayo. I had similar experiences from Donegal fans when Derry played Galway 2022
Seriously though why would anyone care who someone else supports. Support your own county and don't be worried about anyone else. It's a bizarre thing to be getting annoyed about.
I don't care but curious if Donegal fans would support the Ulster counties the way other Ulster counties do
The short answer is yes. Of course when you have a county of 160k people you are going to get a wide variety of perspectives, however my 40 years of experience would say that Donegal would general support an Ulster county. I'll certainly be hoping Armagh do it.
Anyway lets not get into childish crap about who's gonna support what other County in the final. Who gives a sh1t.
On the game...If i'm honest, Galway have been the better team the last few times we've played them and should have beaten us comfortably but they didn't. I don't know how that will work on them physiologically?. It will either be "we're the better team and our performances have shown that" or it'll be "No matter what we throw at these hoors we can't seem to put them away". I suppose the same thinking can be in the Armagh heads too, what i do know is if this Galway have everyone fit they're a serious team. They are really hard to break down and run through for scores and from 8-15 they have serious talent.
Armagh have a great team too and have a good strong bench, the have pace and power all over the team, If Armagh are in front, level or only a point behind with 10 mins to go I'll fancy them to get the job done but this is going to be a real battle and tough game. Surely we can't get another draw from these two teams?.
Is there extra time in the final if required or replay then ET and pens?
Quote from: clarshack on July 15, 2024, 10:54:01 AMIs there extra time in the final if required or replay then ET and pens?
Replay first then ET and pens. Imagine we won the AIF on pens after all the peno heartache
It's the proverbial 50/50 game as matches between the 2 sides over the last 2 years have shown. It will come down to which side finishes its chances better than the other and a bit of luck might decide the result.
Galway were the best side Armagh have faced this year and they probably should have beaten us in Sligo but we hung in there for long enough and got our reward for pressing up on the Galway kick out in the latter stages. I think this is the area we need to target in the final. Push up on Gleesons kick out as he has made mistakes in the past when put under pressure. Both sides will feel it is a great opportunity to win an AI title and it would take a brave man to predict the result with any degree of certainty.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 15, 2024, 12:09:53 PMIt's the proverbial 50/50 game as matches between the 2 sides over the last 2 years have shown. It will come down to which side finishes its chances better than the other and a bit of luck might decide the result.
Galway were the best side Armagh have faced this year and they probably should have beaten us in Sligo but we hung in there for long enough and got our reward for pressing up on the Galway kick out in the latter stages. I think this is the area we need to target in the final. Push up on Gleesons kick out as he has made mistakes in the past when put under pressure. Both sides will feel it is a great opportunity to win an AI title and it would take a brave man to predict the result with any degree of certainty.
Against Galway and Kerry both, Armagh were very tentative in the first half, and let them build a lead, we got away with that twice, but perhaps we should aim to in the game from the start this time. When Donegal pushed up yesterday, they were not tight enough in midfield and Galway got several good long kickouts off successfully. We'd need to watch out for that.
But, as someone noted, three teams over the weekend scored 1-14 in the 70 minutes, one did not score a goal and was out as a consequence. A goal, flukey or otherwise, could be the difference. Both Kerry and Armagh had goals that originated in attempted points that went wrong, there was an element of luck in these, but also the players were there to take advantage. As the Sunday Game noted last night, there was nothing accidental about McCambridge being there, he was pushing up when we had the ball and Clifford was not following him.
While Kerry were not at their shooting best, their defence was tenacious and they had a substantial "Tally" of turnovers. Armagh should learn from these and where things went wrong and reduce these issues for the next day.
Very close game to call.
Perhaps Galway's recent experience and heartache of losing an AI final and playing in Div1 will stand to them.
Or perhaps Armagh will shake of the fear and just play to their strengths - fitness being the main one.
From a Galway pov, they won't want extra time as Armagh will have the legs.
Tactically Armagh can play the same way the did against Kerry, stifling the Galway attack.
Will be an interesting game, too close to call.
AI there for the taking for both sides.
Dublin and Kerry have definately slipped back too and hopefully the next few years will have less of a sense of inevitability about it. Makes for a much better championship if 5/6 teams have a real chance of winning.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 15, 2024, 01:46:01 PMVery close game to call.
Perhaps Galway's recent experience and heartache of losing an AI final and playing in Div1 will stand to them.
Or perhaps Armagh will shake of the fear and just play to their strengths - fitness being the main one.
From a Galway pov, they won't want extra time as Armagh will have the legs.
Tactically Armagh can play the same way the did against Kerry, stifling the Galway attack.
Will be an interesting game, too close to call.
AI there for the taking for both sides.
Dublin and Kerry have definately slipped back too and hopefully the next few years will have less of a sense of inevitability about it. Makes for a much better championship if 5/6 teams have a real chance of winning.
Both teams be going in with total belief and it's a 50/50 game. Galway look every bit as fit as we do and have very good players to bring off the bench as well.
As for the championship- all 8 teams in division 1 have a realistic chance next year if they get a rub of the green and go on a run, Derry and Tyrone if they get themselves sorted definitely wouldn't fear anyone. Ulster will be competitive too with the likes of Down improving and I'm sure they'd love a cut at us in the first round next year to bring us back down to earth.
Armagh 1-13 Galway 1-16
I said on the other semi-final thread how I looked out at the middle in extra time and the size of Armagh was serious, and the lads can move. Kerry were stumped.
Galway actually have a gair few big lads who can run too, so it will be a great battle there.
Some of Armagh's scores were breathtaking, but they needed them. Will it happen the next day? Galway still have so much more to get from Comer and Walsh (if near fit), so I think they have more scope to improve.
Should be a cracker and great to see two sets of fans who actually embrace it all and relish it.
Quote from: Mario on July 14, 2024, 07:04:38 PMQuote from: J70 on July 14, 2024, 06:16:58 PMQuote from: borderfox on July 14, 2024, 06:06:59 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on July 14, 2024, 06:02:25 PMA Donegal fan said on BBC that she would be supporting Galway. Well that is no surprise from them supporting a southern team. A good reminder why you shouldn't support an ROI county.
Wouldn't expect anything less. Jimmy isn't winning matches anymore this year.
Yeah, one Donegal supporter clearly represents the general views of all Donegal people. ::)
Who do you think the majority of Donegal fans will support? Thomas niblock tweeted he was in a bar in Donegal for the Derry Mayo game and I was surprised to hear the majority of locals were supporting Mayo. I had similar experiences from Donegal fans when Derry played Galway 2022
Growing up, it would have always been the Ulster team. In recent years, I'd say it would depend on who they were playing. If it was a perceived underdog opponent, I'd say the opponent.
As for the Derry-Mayo game, I'd say any support for Mayo would have been purely out of fear of drawing Derry again. Mayo have ruthlessly lorded it over us this past decade or so and I can't see much ground for sympathy towards them. And I'm talking as someone with a complete Mayo background on my mother's side.
But maybe I'm out of touch. I'd personally still shout for most Ulster teams, except maybe Tyrone, but that is out of respect for them being among the elites in recent years. :P
I think Blaine Hughes has been a great asset in goals for Armagh this year. Seems more secure and a good kick out.
Rafferty was decent but maybe worthwhile going to a proper keeper.
What do Armagh fans think?
Think you are right in that its the more secure option. Lets hope it stays that way. Ethan was great to watch bombing forward but always the danger of being turned over. Hughes has been excellent.
Yeah Blaine for me by a mile. Ironically though I remember thinking against Galway the last day it was the sort of game we could have done with Rafferty to help break down that defence.
This is such a tough game to call. It will be close.
There is going to be some squeeze for tickets!
Seen somewhere that only 13k tickets to each county? Surely not right is it?
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 15, 2024, 04:37:56 PMSeen somewhere that only 13k tickets to each county? Surely not right is it?
Always starts like that then 2nd allocation usually on the Thursday
Quote from: maddog on July 15, 2024, 04:41:43 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 15, 2024, 04:37:56 PMSeen somewhere that only 13k tickets to each county? Surely not right is it?
Always starts like that then 2nd allocation usually on the Thursday
Have had the season ticket for the last few years, and seriously pondered whether to get it again at the start of this year, as the benefits seemed to be getting less with having one. Thankfully I did get it again, and at last get the serious benefit of an All Ireland Final ticket. You have to have purchased tickets for at least 6 championship games before the final to be eligible.
Quote from: balladmaker on July 15, 2024, 05:12:05 PMQuote from: maddog on July 15, 2024, 04:41:43 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 15, 2024, 04:37:56 PMSeen somewhere that only 13k tickets to each county? Surely not right is it?
Always starts like that then 2nd allocation usually on the Thursday
Have had the season ticket for the last few years, and seriously pondered whether to get it again at the start of this year, as the benefits seemed to be getting less with having one. Thankfully I did get it again, and at last get the serious benefit of an All Ireland Final ticket. You have to have purchased tickets for at least 6 championship games before the final to be eligible.
Worked out well for you this time
If you couldn't make some games, could someone else have used it for you?
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 15, 2024, 05:40:51 PMQuote from: balladmaker on July 15, 2024, 05:12:05 PMQuote from: maddog on July 15, 2024, 04:41:43 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 15, 2024, 04:37:56 PMSeen somewhere that only 13k tickets to each county? Surely not right is it?
Always starts like that then 2nd allocation usually on the Thursday
Have had the season ticket for the last few years, and seriously pondered whether to get it again at the start of this year, as the benefits seemed to be getting less with having one. Thankfully I did get it again, and at last get the serious benefit of an All Ireland Final ticket. You have to have purchased tickets for at least 6 championship games before the final to be eligible.
Worked out well for you this time
If you couldn't make some games, could someone else have used it for you?
Yes, you could probably send it to anyone for scanning at the entrance, there was no ID check associated with it. The only game I couldn't attend was Q/Final due to being away with work, but made all the others, 7 games by my counting inc. semi-final.
Quote from: balladmaker on July 15, 2024, 05:12:05 PMQuote from: maddog on July 15, 2024, 04:41:43 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 15, 2024, 04:37:56 PMSeen somewhere that only 13k tickets to each county? Surely not right is it?
Always starts like that then 2nd allocation usually on the Thursday
Have had the season ticket for the last few years, and seriously pondered whether to get it again at the start of this year, as the benefits seemed to be getting less with having one. Thankfully I did get it again, and at last get the serious benefit of an All Ireland Final ticket. You have to have purchased tickets for at least 6 championship games before the final to be eligible.
Jump through hoops and they'll be thousands there taking in their first and last game of the year
And the bad news is "Up for the match" is back again.
FFS!!!
Quote from: Rossfan on July 15, 2024, 09:45:39 PMAnd the bad news is "Up for the match" is back again.
FFS!!!
They'll probably make it about Kerry and Dublin again , even though they're not there
Tickets will be even harder to come by this time around with Armagh in the final. Their support is incredible. Hoping to get one from the club as involved with a few teams.
Quote from: galwayman on July 15, 2024, 11:28:06 PMTickets will be even harder to come by this time around with Armagh in the final. Their support is incredible. Hoping to get one from the club as involved with a few teams.
Should there not be more tickets available for the two counties now as no minor match on before the senior final?
Big rush for tickets? Was the Armagh v Westmeath a sell out or Galway v Derry in Galway.? Where were all these die hard supporters then,who need tickets now? I just hope supporters who went to most of the games get tickets.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2024, 12:08:30 AMBig rush for tickets? Was the Armagh v Westmeath a sell out or Galway v Derry in Galway.? Where were all these die hard supporters then,who need tickets now? I just hope supporters who went to most of the games get tickets.
I imagine I'll struggle despite only missing two games all year between McKenna cup league and championship but fingers crossed.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2024, 12:08:30 AMBig rush for tickets? Was the Armagh v Westmeath a sell out or Galway v Derry in Galway.? Where were all these die hard supporters then,who need tickets now? I just hope supporters who went to most of the games get tickets.
To be fair, it would seriously dampen the occasion if only the 10k hardcore fans from each county were to attend the AI final.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 16, 2024, 08:47:16 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2024, 12:08:30 AMBig rush for tickets? Was the Armagh v Westmeath a sell out or Galway v Derry in Galway.? Where were all these die hard supporters then,who need tickets now? I just hope supporters who went to most of the games get tickets.
To be fair, it would seriously dampen the occasion if only the 10k hardcore fans from each county were to attend the AI final.
There are always bandwagon jumpers. But as long as those who ago to majority of games are sorted with tickets ad that's the problem.they don't.
It's easier than ever to tell who goes to games. They're all bought on line.
Yes there are also season tickets, but only a limited amount.
There'll be huge rows in Armagh, I'd say we've probably a majority who wouldn't be full club members - or aware of the pre ticket master arrangements.im sure There'll be a surge in club memberships throughout the county.
Quote from: marty34 on July 15, 2024, 11:46:11 PMQuote from: galwayman on July 15, 2024, 11:28:06 PMTickets will be even harder to come by this time around with Armagh in the final. Their support is incredible. Hoping to get one from the club as involved with a few teams.
Should there not be more tickets available for the two counties now as no minor match on before the senior final?
Probably 3,000 used to go to Minors?
Shoukd anyone who bought the 3 for price of 2 Group series tickets be given the option of buying an AI one before distribution?
I assume the season tickets in Armagh and Galway aren't sold out? As usual seeing lots of sob stories online, the ST is there for those who don't contribute in a club and just want to go and watch county games.
Clubs will look after those who do the work and rightly so.
Galway/Armagh people will get their hands on tickets that go round the country, don't worry about that.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 16, 2024, 10:05:29 AMI assume the season tickets in Armagh and Galway aren't sold out? As usual seeing lots of sob stories online, the ST is there for those who don't contribute in a club and just want to go and watch county games.
Clubs will look after those who do the work and rightly so.
Galway/Armagh people will get their hands on tickets that go round the country, don't worry about that.
Depending on the size of the club they mightn't even be able to
Quote from: bennydorano on July 16, 2024, 09:31:28 AMThere'll be huge rows in Armagh, I'd say we've probably a majority who wouldn't be full club members - or aware of the pre ticket master arrangements.im sure There'll be a surge in club memberships throughout the county.
That'd be a nice bonus for clubs. I would hold off on telling newly signed up members that they aren't eligible for a members' draw.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 16, 2024, 10:44:28 AMQuote from: Maroon Manc on July 16, 2024, 10:05:29 AMI assume the season tickets in Armagh and Galway aren't sold out? As usual seeing lots of sob stories online, the ST is there for those who don't contribute in a club and just want to go and watch county games.
Clubs will look after those who do the work and rightly so.
Galway/Armagh people will get their hands on tickets that go round the country, don't worry about that.
Depending on the size of the club they mightn't even be able to
Would counties be getting 25k each? That would leave 32k for a couple of tix per club, friends, family, corporate etc
You're talking 500 tix / club give or take
Quote from: bennydorano on July 16, 2024, 09:31:28 AMThere'll be huge rows in Armagh, I'd say we've probably a majority who wouldn't be full club members - or aware of the pre ticket master arrangements.im sure There'll be a surge in club memberships throughout the county.
Full club members?
How can have you people who are not GAA club members?
To be honest, I don't get that.
Do their kids not play or what do heydo from July onwards,when the club season gets started properly.
I know the All Ireland Final is a national event, each county has the right to attend etc etc ... but for a sec, imagine the occasion and atmosphere if they split the tickets 50/50 just between the competing counties, 41k each, place would be rockin' ;D
Quote from: JoG2 on July 16, 2024, 10:58:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 16, 2024, 10:44:28 AMQuote from: Maroon Manc on July 16, 2024, 10:05:29 AMI assume the season tickets in Armagh and Galway aren't sold out? As usual seeing lots of sob stories online, the ST is there for those who don't contribute in a club and just want to go and watch county games.
Clubs will look after those who do the work and rightly so.
Galway/Armagh people will get their hands on tickets that go round the country, don't worry about that.
Depending on the size of the club they mightn't even be able to
Would counties be getting 25k each? That would leave 32k for a couple of tix per club, friends, family, corporate etc
You're talking 500 tix / club give or take
They get that between them 13k each in the first instance.
When that is divided up then a large club would hardly have a ticket for each player and people directly involved as coaches etc.
Of course a lot of tickets will flow from other counties, for instance the likes of Cross Rangers will get tickets from Sligo and Wicklow, owing to knowing the managers in these places, and will have had a huge number of links with other clubs over the years, who may send a few tickets. And individuals will get tickets through contacts, but those tickets will go to those with good contacts, not necessarily people who went to a lot of games etc. There will be an overlap, as those with great interest will try harder, but someone whose in-laws happen to live in Waterford may get a ticket handy enough, while someone else whose in-laws happen to live in Armagh will be kiboshed.
Quote from: marty34 on July 16, 2024, 11:07:53 AMQuote from: bennydorano on July 16, 2024, 09:31:28 AMThere'll be huge rows in Armagh, I'd say we've probably a majority who wouldn't be full club members - or aware of the pre ticket master arrangements.im sure There'll be a surge in club memberships throughout the county.
Full club members?
How can have you people who are not GAA club members?
To be honest, I don't get that.
Do their kids not play or what do heydo from July onwards,when the club season gets started properly.
Agree. Membership in my own club is 20 quid. Would imagine the maximum in an Armagh club would be 70/80.
There would be a very small percentage of people attending Armagh games that wouldn't have some affiliation to a club, be it kids or family playing. No excuse not to be a member to prevent this situation arising.
Quote from: Silver hill on July 16, 2024, 11:57:59 AMQuote from: marty34 on July 16, 2024, 11:07:53 AMQuote from: bennydorano on July 16, 2024, 09:31:28 AMThere'll be huge rows in Armagh, I'd say we've probably a majority who wouldn't be full club members - or aware of the pre ticket master arrangements.im sure There'll be a surge in club memberships throughout the county.
Full club members?
How can have you people who are not GAA club members?
To be honest, I don't get that.
Do their kids not play or what do heydo from July onwards,when the club season gets started properly.
Agree. Membership in my own club is 20 quid. Would imagine the maximum in an Armagh club would be 70/80.
There would be a very small percentage of people attending Armagh games that wouldn't have some affiliation to a club, be it kids or family playing. No excuse not to be a member to prevent this situation arising.
Of course, if you were going to pay 70 to a club you could have also bought a season ticket, if you believed of course.
The broader point is that the ticket distribution is one way for most games, then for the Ulster and AI finals it is another way, and these systems are not linked in any way. I would have brought in a provision that you cannot attend AI finals unless you were a member (in some way) in April.
The easiest way to secure an AI final ticket is to be a sponsor / in a senior position for a sponsor.
The second easiest way to secure an AI ticket is to be on the county board for a competing county.
The third easiest way is to be a referee in one of the competing counties.
The fourth easiest is to be an active member of a club from one of the competing counties.
After that, it's a lottery.
And rightly so.
All of the above are more deserving than the rest.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 16, 2024, 12:35:58 PMThe easiest way to secure an AI final ticket is to be a sponsor / in a senior position for a sponsor.
The second easiest way to secure an AI ticket is to be on the county board for a competing county.
The easiest way of all is to be an in-law of a county board member for a non-competing county.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 16, 2024, 12:35:58 PMThe easiest way to secure an AI final ticket is to be a sponsor / in a senior position for a sponsor.
The second easiest way to secure an AI ticket is to be on the county board for a competing county.
The third easiest way is to be a referee in one of the competing counties.
The fourth easiest is to be an active member of a club from one of the competing counties.
After that, it's a lottery.
And rightly so.
All of the above are more deserving than the rest.
You've a family that has been to every single league and championship game this year (family club membership) , who will really struggle to get tickets for all 4, even for 1 or 2 in a stadium that holds 82k, surely there's a better way of doing it and rewarding loyalty while also looking after thousands of fat cat / daytrippers?
Quote from: armaghniac on July 16, 2024, 12:46:53 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 16, 2024, 12:35:58 PMThe easiest way to secure an AI final ticket is to be a sponsor / in a senior position for a sponsor.
The second easiest way to secure an AI ticket is to be on the county board for a competing county.
The easiest way of all is to be an in-law of a county board member for a non-competing county.
The thing is. This is not the easiest way to gain an AI ticket. It requires someone to put in years of altruistic volunteerism to gain this trivial reward.
I've genuinely no issue with all executive members of all county boards in Ireland getting a couple of tickets to do with as they wish.
Anyone who would have an issue with this must believe that puff the magic dragon facilitates our games.
Quote from: balladmaker on July 16, 2024, 11:23:50 AMI know the All Ireland Final is a national event, each county has the right to attend etc etc ... but for a sec, imagine the occasion and atmosphere if they split the tickets 50/50 just between the competing counties, 41k each, place would be rockin' ;D
Don't think it would be unreasonable to allocate 50k between competing counties. Then let the rest fight for the other tickets.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 16, 2024, 12:51:57 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 16, 2024, 12:35:58 PMThe easiest way to secure an AI final ticket is to be a sponsor / in a senior position for a sponsor.
The second easiest way to secure an AI ticket is to be on the county board for a competing county.
The third easiest way is to be a referee in one of the competing counties.
The fourth easiest is to be an active member of a club from one of the competing counties.
After that, it's a lottery.
And rightly so.
All of the above are more deserving than the rest.
You've a family that has been to every single league and championship game this year (family club membership) , who will really struggle to get tickets for all 4, even for 1 or 2 in a stadium that holds 82k, surely there's a better way of doing it and rewarding loyalty while also looking after thousands of fat cat / daytrippers?
If someone is both upwardly mobile enough and financially secure enough to take a family of 4 to 18 games across Ireland in the space of 25 weeks, then they already have a great life and don't need the spoils of an AI final ticket. Or maybe they do. But I won't feel sorry for them all the same.
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In my experience there aren't that many day trippers / fat cats at an AI final.
Think I have read somewhere it's 16k each for competing counties
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 16, 2024, 01:01:41 PMQuote from: balladmaker on July 16, 2024, 11:23:50 AMI know the All Ireland Final is a national event, each county has the right to attend etc etc ... but for a sec, imagine the occasion and atmosphere if they split the tickets 50/50 just between the competing counties, 41k each, place would be rockin' ;D
Don't think it would be unreasonable to allocate 50k between competing counties. Then let the rest fight for the other tickets.
Absolutely.
Last thing we want is any Tyrone or Down huers in cheering for Galway
Quote from: thewobbler on July 16, 2024, 01:02:13 PMQuote from: JoG2 on July 16, 2024, 12:51:57 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 16, 2024, 12:35:58 PMThe easiest way to secure an AI final ticket is to be a sponsor / in a senior position for a sponsor.
The second easiest way to secure an AI ticket is to be on the county board for a competing county.
The third easiest way is to be a referee in one of the competing counties.
The fourth easiest is to be an active member of a club from one of the competing counties.
After that, it's a lottery.
And rightly so.
All of the above are more deserving than the rest.
You've a family that has been to every single league and championship game this year (family club membership) , who will really struggle to get tickets for all 4, even for 1 or 2 in a stadium that holds 82k, surely there's a better way of doing it and rewarding loyalty while also looking after thousands of fat cat / daytrippers?
If someone is both upwardly mobile enough and financially secure enough to take a family of 4 to 18 games across Ireland in the space of 25 weeks, then they already have a great life and don't need the spoils of an AI final ticket. Or maybe they do. But I won't feel sorry for them all the same.
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In my experience there aren't that many day trippers / fat cats at an AI final.
Ha what a weird take. Only poor people should get AI tickets to offset the misery in their life.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 16, 2024, 01:02:13 PMQuote from: JoG2 on July 16, 2024, 12:51:57 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 16, 2024, 12:35:58 PMThe easiest way to secure an AI final ticket is to be a sponsor / in a senior position for a sponsor.
The second easiest way to secure an AI ticket is to be on the county board for a competing county.
The third easiest way is to be a referee in one of the competing counties.
The fourth easiest is to be an active member of a club from one of the competing counties.
After that, it's a lottery.
And rightly so.
All of the above are more deserving than the rest.
You've a family that has been to every single league and championship game this year (family club membership) , who will really struggle to get tickets for all 4, even for 1 or 2 in a stadium that holds 82k, surely there's a better way of doing it and rewarding loyalty while also looking after thousands of fat cat / daytrippers?
If someone is both upwardly mobile enough and financially secure enough to take a family of 4 to 18 games across Ireland in the space of 25 weeks, then they already have a great life and don't need the spoils of an AI final ticket. Or maybe they do. But I won't feel sorry for them all the same.
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In my experience there aren't that many day trippers / fat cats at an AI final.
Yeah, just dismiss loyalty sure and begrudge them.
I've been to a few, and there's plenty at finals with little to no interest re what's happening on the pitch
Mario you're not reading, you're paraphrasing. Like a Daily Sport editor.
Read from the top. I've listed those who get AI tickets first and my core point is that it's completely fair.
Someone argued that there is a family of 4 somewhere who never miss a game, and that they must be facilitated too. And my point I simple: no they shouldn't (and nor should anyone feel sorry them).
Thats odd logic.
Anyway when all is said and done there won't be too many that deserve a ticket that'll miss out
I'm not dismissing loyalty JoG2.
But to be honest I don't think that family of four actually exists. There'll be some families of four who go to every home game. There'll be others who go to some home games and some away. There'll be another family of four who never miss a championship match, wherever it is in Ireland.
But that family of four who a) don't have any other weekend hobbies to fulfil from Feb - July, b) are this obsessed with GAA that they cannot miss a game, but not obsessed enough to integrate strongly with a local club, and c) can afford a dozen away days in a half year period but don't bugger off to Tenerife instead?
They don't exist.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 16, 2024, 01:17:57 PMMario you're not reading, you're paraphrasing. Like a Daily Sport editor.
Read from the top. I've listed those who get AI tickets first and my core point is that it's completely fair.
Someone argued that there is a family of 4 somewhere who never miss a game, and that they must be facilitated too. And my point I simple: no they shouldn't (and nor should anyone feel sorry them).
Emm, a chance in a lifetime to watch your county in the final, huge supporters, club members, you've some heart of stone.. Hey, look over there, there's a chap who luckily works for a sponsor, throw tickets at him!
Quote from: thewobbler on July 16, 2024, 12:56:38 PMQuote from: armaghniac on July 16, 2024, 12:46:53 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 16, 2024, 12:35:58 PMThe easiest way to secure an AI final ticket is to be a sponsor / in a senior position for a sponsor.
The second easiest way to secure an AI ticket is to be on the county board for a competing county.
The easiest way of all is to be an in-law of a county board member for a non-competing county.
The thing is. This is not the easiest way to gain an AI ticket. It requires someone to put in years of altruistic volunteerism to gain this trivial reward.
I've genuinely no issue with all executive members of all county boards in Ireland getting a couple of tickets to do with as they wish.
Anyone who would have an issue with this must believe that puff the magic dragon facilitates our games.
There is certainly no problem with active people getting a ticket if they wish to use it themselves, but if the benefit accrues to someone else through nepotism then that is not as clearly beneficial to the GAA.
The GAA is slightly hypocritical, it is a case of please come along and support your county for the QFs and Semis, a lot of "we all belong", but then we are not interested in you for the final.
You lucky, lucky bastards. Every year only 2 counties get to moan about ticket allocation, nepotism, people not from the 2 counties going to the final, people wanting to go who are not members of a club .....
Enjoy every minute of it!
Quote from: StephenC on July 16, 2024, 02:43:38 PMYou lucky, lucky bastards. Every year only 2 counties get to moan about ticket allocation, nepotism, people not from the 2 counties going to the final, people wanting to go who are not members of a club .....
Enjoy every minute of it!
It's been too long.
Kind of torn between being happy that its less than 2 weeks away or annoyed that there isn't a whole pile of time to enjoy the build up compared to years ago.
All-Ireland Final Tickets (82,006):
- County allocations (58,110)
- Premium/Corporate (10,528)
- Season tickets (3,505)
- Term tickets (2,381)
- Schools (2,224)
- Sponsors (1,221)
- Former GAA Presidents (771)
- Staff & Sub committees (520)
- Overseas (480)
- Provinces (360)
- Press (254)
- Third-level (240)
- Rounders/Handball (212)
- Local residents (200)
- Mini-games (188)
- National Referee Panel (148)
- Matchday Teams (148)
- Jubilee teams (142)*
- Camogie (140)
- Ladies football (100)
- TV & Radio (74)
- Sport Ireland (60)
Figures taken from 2023 GAA Report.
How the ticket allocation sat last year from Daniel Hussey
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 16, 2024, 02:50:42 PMQuote from: StephenC on July 16, 2024, 02:43:38 PMYou lucky, lucky bastards. Every year only 2 counties get to moan about ticket allocation, nepotism, people not from the 2 counties going to the final, people wanting to go who are not members of a club .....
Enjoy every minute of it!
It's been too long.
Kind of torn between being happy that its less than 2 weeks away or annoyed that there isn't a whole pile of time to enjoy the build up compared to years ago.
I agree. The short turnaround time sucks but c'est la vie.
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 16, 2024, 02:50:56 PMAll-Ireland Final Tickets (82,006):
- County allocations (58,110)
- Premium/Corporate (10,528)
- Season tickets (3,505)
- Term tickets (2,381)
- Schools (2,224)
- Sponsors (1,221)
- Former GAA Presidents (771)
- Staff & Sub committees (520)
- Overseas (480)
- Provinces (360)
- Press (254)
- Third-level (240)
- Rounders/Handball (212)
- Local residents (200)
- Mini-games (188)
- National Referee Panel (148)
- Matchday Teams (148)
- Jubilee teams (142)*
- Camogie (140)
- Ladies football (100)
- TV & Radio (74)
- Sport Ireland (60)
Figures taken from 2023 GAA Report.
How the ticket allocation sat last year from Daniel Hussey
The 30 non competing Counties get around 1,000 each on average?
Season ticket met criteria, ticket acquired in Lower Cusack around 45m line.
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Heads up folks season tickets out we have got ours great seats again! Hope everyone else gets sorted. We never ask for our club tickets so good luck to all. Armagh Abu
Season ticket holders guaranteed All-Ireland final tickets. Thewobbler left that out of his easiest way list, How many season ticket holders did Galway and Armagh have this year?
Same, 2 tickets 305 lower cusack, happy with that.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 16, 2024, 04:16:55 PMSeason ticket holders guaranteed All-Ireland final tickets. Thewobbler left that out of his easiest way list, How many season ticket holders did Galway and Armagh have this year?
Not guaranteed, still have to buy tickets for a min. of 6 championship games before final. No idea how many sold per county for this year. I think I read somewhere in years past that Mayo had maxed out their season ticket availability then with 2500 sold in the county.
I didn't get a season ticket this year because I wasnt sure in advance I could make all games and come championship time I would often try and sit with young family members which is difficult when some have season tickets and others don't. I missed 1 McKenna Cup game, 0 league matches, 1 Ulster Championship match, 1 knock out series match. I live in Bangor and whilst I remain a member I'm not in a position to dedicate the time necessary to the club anymore although I was a committee member for a number of years before I got married. Through out the last two years I have assisted the County Board when called upon albeit that was in a limited number of ways.
I will be relying on family members to secure a ticket. I dont think there is a fair way to ensure every one who deserves a ticket gets one but I hope I come out the correct side of the scramble.
Is there any way of knowing how many members there are in each club , and each county in total?
Quote from: David McKeown on July 16, 2024, 05:10:53 PMI didn't get a season ticket this year because I wasnt sure in advance I could make all games and come championship time I would often try and sit with young family members which is difficult when some have season tickets and others don't. I missed 1 McKenna Cup game, 0 league matches, 1 Ulster Championship match, 1 knock out series match. I live in Bangor and whilst I remain a member I'm not in a position to dedicate the time necessary to the club anymore although I was a committee member for a number of years before I got married. Through out the last two years I have assisted the County Board when called upon albeit that was in a limited number of ways.
I will be relying on family members to secure a ticket. I dont think there is a fair way to ensure every one who deserves a ticket gets one but I hope I come out the correct side of the scramble.
The issue of wanting to sit with others arises for many people. Has anyone used the swap thing for season tickets?
Whatever the number of season tickets there are, I suspect there will be more next year.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 16, 2024, 05:25:08 PMQuote from: David McKeown on July 16, 2024, 05:10:53 PMI didn't get a season ticket this year because I wasnt sure in advance I could make all games and come championship time I would often try and sit with young family members which is difficult when some have season tickets and others don't. I missed 1 McKenna Cup game, 0 league matches, 1 Ulster Championship match, 1 knock out series match. I live in Bangor and whilst I remain a member I'm not in a position to dedicate the time necessary to the club anymore although I was a committee member for a number of years before I got married. Through out the last two years I have assisted the County Board when called upon albeit that was in a limited number of ways.
I will be relying on family members to secure a ticket. I dont think there is a fair way to ensure every one who deserves a ticket gets one but I hope I come out the correct side of the scramble.
The issue of wanting to sit with others arises for many people. Has anyone used the swap thing for season tickets?
Whatever the number of season tickets there are, I suspect there will be more next year.
The post wasn't a woe is me its just a counter point to the idea that loyal fans are guaranteed a ticket. The point about why I dont have a season ticket was an explanation. I have had problems in the past trying to tie multiple seasons tickets to youth tickets at matches particularly in croke park
Quote from: David McKeown on July 16, 2024, 05:37:28 PMQuote from: armaghniac on July 16, 2024, 05:25:08 PMQuote from: David McKeown on July 16, 2024, 05:10:53 PMI didn't get a season ticket this year because I wasnt sure in advance I could make all games and come championship time I would often try and sit with young family members which is difficult when some have season tickets and others don't. I missed 1 McKenna Cup game, 0 league matches, 1 Ulster Championship match, 1 knock out series match. I live in Bangor and whilst I remain a member I'm not in a position to dedicate the time necessary to the club anymore although I was a committee member for a number of years before I got married. Through out the last two years I have assisted the County Board when called upon albeit that was in a limited number of ways.
I will be relying on family members to secure a ticket. I dont think there is a fair way to ensure every one who deserves a ticket gets one but I hope I come out the correct side of the scramble.
The issue of wanting to sit with others arises for many people. Has anyone used the swap thing for season tickets?
Whatever the number of season tickets there are, I suspect there will be more next year.
The post wasn't a woe is me its just a counter point to the idea that loyal fans are guaranteed a ticket. The point about why I dont have a season ticket was an explanation. I have had problems in the past trying to tie multiple seasons tickets to youth tickets at matches particularly in croke park
The season ticket scheme needs to accommodate real people, and somehow address these kinds of issues.
Apparently all clubs in Armagh are getting the same allocation regardless of membership.
Small clubs with a few hundred members will probably all be sorted vs big clubs with 1k plus are going to be very disappointed.
If that is correct re ticket allocation to clubs. I personally don't think that is fair. Our club is a small club in comparison with crossmaglen or clan na Gael, and probably just like the Ulster final, people who had never gone to any other match before or in fact after that until Saturday past, got the tickets. I think each club should get an allocation relevant to their club membership.
Usually in Galway - it's down to what level your club plays at rather than how many members the club has.
Senior clubs get more than intermediate who get more than junior etc.
Not sure what the story is for hurling only clubs - I'd imagine they'd get less than a football club.
I try to get to all championship games and all home league games every year but it's very hard to predict for sure in advance what games you are definitely going to be able to make. Up to my early forties I was playing club gaelic football and junior soccer so that ruled me out from attending a lot of league matches. Nowadays with small kids you have to pick and choose a bit more which games you can go to - in the league especially.
I've never bought a season ticket due to this type of uncertainty.
As I'm involved heavily with my local club that's probably not as big of an issue for me as it would for others.
I can see why people who have no real club attachment would buy a season ticket on the chance of their county making an AI final.
It's a tricky one
An added problem for Western Counties is that some of the County teams' most loyal followers have been away from home for decades and gave no connections with the native club.
If they haven't a season ticket it's tough luck.
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 16, 2024, 02:50:56 PMAll-Ireland Final Tickets (82,006):
- County allocations (58,110)
- Premium/Corporate (10,528)
- Season tickets (3,505)
- Term tickets (2,381)
- Schools (2,224)
- Sponsors (1,221)
- Former GAA Presidents (771)
- Staff & Sub committees (520)
- Overseas (480)
- Provinces (360)
- Press (254)
- Third-level (240)
- Rounders/Handball (212)
- Local residents (200)
- Mini-games (188)
- National Referee Panel (148)
- Matchday Teams (148)
- Jubilee teams (142)*
- Camogie (140)
- Ladies football (100)
- TV & Radio (74)
- Sport Ireland (60)
Figures taken from 2023 GAA Report.
How the ticket allocation sat last year from Daniel Hussey
So over 20,000 non Galway,Armagh supporters in attendance for this All Ireland final.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 16, 2024, 06:51:06 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on July 16, 2024, 02:50:56 PMAll-Ireland Final Tickets (82,006):
- County allocations (58,110)
- Premium/Corporate (10,528)
- Season tickets (3,505)
- Term tickets (2,381)
- Schools (2,224)
- Sponsors (1,221)
- Former GAA Presidents (771)
- Staff & Sub committees (520)
- Overseas (480)
- Provinces (360)
- Press (254)
- Third-level (240)
- Rounders/Handball (212)
- Local residents (200)
- Mini-games (188)
- National Referee Panel (148)
- Matchday Teams (148)
- Jubilee teams (142)*
- Camogie (140)
- Ladies football (100)
- TV & Radio (74)
- Sport Ireland (60)
Figures taken from 2023 GAA Report.
How the ticket allocation sat last year from Daniel Hussey
So over 20,000 non Galway,Armagh supporters in attendance for this All Ireland final.
More than double that figure of non Galway / Armagh fans is it not?
When Armagh made final in 2002/2003 I can't recall anyone from the club who I though yes they should have got a ticket but didn't. Be interesting to see how many of the people not affiliated with a club in Armagh who avail of the club championship season ticket or regularly attend these games.There are genuine people like David mckeown who would like see get a ticket but for every David there's 5/6 people who could probably not tell you who the majority of Armagh players play for and following Armagh is more a social occasion rather than anything else.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 16, 2024, 06:54:20 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on July 16, 2024, 06:51:06 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on July 16, 2024, 02:50:56 PMAll-Ireland Final Tickets (82,006):
- County allocations (58,110)
- Premium/Corporate (10,528)
- Season tickets (3,505)
- Term tickets (2,381)
- Schools (2,224)
- Sponsors (1,221)
- Former GAA Presidents (771)
- Staff & Sub committees (520)
- Overseas (480)
- Provinces (360)
- Press (254)
- Third-level (240)
- Rounders/Handball (212)
- Local residents (200)
- Mini-games (188)
- National Referee Panel (148)
- Matchday Teams (148)
- Jubilee teams (142)*
- Camogie (140)
- Ladies football (100)
- TV & Radio (74)
- Sport Ireland (60)
Figures taken from 2023 GAA Report.
How the ticket allocation sat last year from Daniel Hussey
So over 20,000 non Galway,Armagh supporters in attendance for this All Ireland final.
More than double that figure of non Galway / Armagh fans is it not?
Probably right as I was adding up the above "County allocations" as just Armagh,Galway.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 16, 2024, 06:54:20 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on July 16, 2024, 06:51:06 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on July 16, 2024, 02:50:56 PMAll-Ireland Final Tickets (82,006):
- County allocations (58,110)
- Premium/Corporate (10,528)
- Season tickets (3,505)
- Term tickets (2,381)
- Schools (2,224)
- Sponsors (1,221)
- Former GAA Presidents (771)
- Staff & Sub committees (520)
- Overseas (480)
- Provinces (360)
- Press (254)
- Third-level (240)
- Rounders/Handball (212)
- Local residents (200)
- Mini-games (188)
- National Referee Panel (148)
- Matchday Teams (148)
- Jubilee teams (142)*
- Camogie (140)
- Ladies football (100)
- TV & Radio (74)
- Sport Ireland (60)
Figures taken from 2023 GAA Report.
How the ticket allocation sat last year from Daniel Hussey
So over 20,000 non Galway,Armagh supporters in attendance for this All Ireland final.
More than double that figure of non Galway / Armagh fans is it not?
23,896 but some of the season ticket holders, corporate and matchday teams would be Armagh and Galway.
It would be more interesting to know the county allocations.
Got a ticket for the All-Ireland final Kerry v Galway a couple of years ago through a mate who got it through his work, first All-Ireland I'd been at that Down hadn't been involved in, in either senior or minor.
Sitting beside a Galway man who before the match started quizzed me where I was from and then proceeded to go into a rant about how it was a disgrace that people not from Galway and Kerry had tickets for the match. He then never spoke again for the full match, he actually made me feel bad for being there lol
Tickets are available for all counties. People play their part in this association on many levels which makes it the life blood of or games.
Making tickets available for them and not the bandwagons is only fair, they'll appreciate it ten times some larger lout or some bloke with plenty money but wouldn't be a a local club game.
Was there 30 thousand at the Armagh first round of Ulster games?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2024, 07:45:07 PMTickets are available for all counties. People play their part in this association on many levels which makes it the life blood of or games.
Making tickets available for them and not the bandwagons is only fair, they'll appreciate it ten times some larger lout or some bloke with plenty money but wouldn't be a a local club game.
Was there 30 thousand at the Armagh first round of Ulster games?
Don't believe this is an Armagh only issue but would agree with your point.There are plenty of great gaels doing great things at local level and certainly wouldn't begrudge the current setup where two tickets are allocated to each club.
Anyone with more than 11,000 posts on GAA Board should be awarded two tickets.
Quote from: Orior on July 16, 2024, 08:16:47 PMAnyone with more than 11,000 posts on GAA Board should be awarded two tickets.
The GAA mods will sort you out.
Quote from: statto on July 16, 2024, 07:05:05 PMWhen Armagh made final in 2002/2003 I can't recall anyone from the club who I though yes they should have got a ticket but didn't. Be interesting to see how many of the people not affiliated with a club in Armagh who avail of the club championship season ticket or regularly attend these games.There are genuine people like David mckeown who would like see get a ticket but for every David there's 5/6 people who could probably not tell you who the majority of Armagh players play for and following Armagh is more a social occasion rather than anything else.
Sorry to be clear I'm not looking sympathy. I certainly don't deserve that and I've been to plenty of all Ireland finals in my time and should hopefully make this one.
The point I'm trying to make, badly, is that I'm not unique. There are plenty who will struggle in the coming fortnight. People who have good reason for no longer being club members or active members, ones who go to games but for whom the season ticket didn't suit etc etc. So I don't buy into the idea that those who deserve a ticket will get a ticket. Plenty will miss out and it's unfortunate but I don't think it's possible to really rank those people on entitlement and I can't think of a better way of handling these kind of things.
Ah the annual ticket debate which the two finalist fans participate in... 30 plus other counties have no interest in it this year as they're not in the final. If only we had this bother in Tyrone.
I've no doubt many on here will get tickets if they want them, when the dust settles a few days before the game.
I will always remember the graciousness of the Armagh fans after the 2003 final. Something you don't forget, despite the intense rivalry.
With Armagh heavily fundraising for the new county training facility in Portadown, you'd think they will follow Cork's lead and open a fanzone. I see Cork sold out their 15k capacity fanzone in no time today. A big screen in the Athletic Grounds would surely draw a big crowd on the day.
Quote from: balladmaker on July 16, 2024, 09:21:30 PMWith Armagh heavily fundraising for the new county training facility in Portadown, you'd think they will follow Cork's lead and open a fanzone. I see Cork sold out their 15k capacity fanzone in no time today. A big screen in the Athletic Grounds would surely draw a big crowd on the day.
Yeah would probably draw a good crowd.
Quote from: David McKeown on July 16, 2024, 08:46:21 PMQuote from: statto on July 16, 2024, 07:05:05 PMWhen Armagh made final in 2002/2003 I can't recall anyone from the club who I though yes they should have got a ticket but didn't. Be interesting to see how many of the people not affiliated with a club in Armagh who avail of the club championship season ticket or regularly attend these games.There are genuine people like David mckeown who would like see get a ticket but for every David there's 5/6 people who could probably not tell you who the majority of Armagh players play for and following Armagh is more a social occasion rather than anything else.
Sorry to be clear I'm not looking sympathy. I certainly don't deserve that and I've been to plenty of all Ireland finals in my time and should hopefully make this one.
The point I'm trying to make, badly, is that I'm not unique. There are plenty who will struggle in the coming fortnight. People who have good reason for no longer being club members or active members, ones who go to games but for whom the season ticket didn't suit etc etc. So I don't buy into the idea that those who deserve a ticket will get a ticket. Plenty will miss out and it's unfortunate but I don't think it's possible to really rank those people on entitlement and I can't think of a better way of handling these kind of things.
True. Is someone who cuts the grass more entitled to a ticket than someone who washes the jersies?
But the thing about clubs distributing tickets is there is always a bit of a wink and a nod situation. Nobody knows how many was allocated, or where they all went. That's the thing I don't like about it all
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 16, 2024, 09:48:33 PMQuote from: David McKeown on July 16, 2024, 08:46:21 PMQuote from: statto on July 16, 2024, 07:05:05 PMWhen Armagh made final in 2002/2003 I can't recall anyone from the club who I though yes they should have got a ticket but didn't. Be interesting to see how many of the people not affiliated with a club in Armagh who avail of the club championship season ticket or regularly attend these games.There are genuine people like David mckeown who would like see get a ticket but for every David there's 5/6 people who could probably not tell you who the majority of Armagh players play for and following Armagh is more a social occasion rather than anything else.
Sorry to be clear I'm not looking sympathy. I certainly don't deserve that and I've been to plenty of all Ireland finals in my time and should hopefully make this one.
The point I'm trying to make, badly, is that I'm not unique. There are plenty who will struggle in the coming fortnight. People who have good reason for no longer being club members or active members, ones who go to games but for whom the season ticket didn't suit etc etc. So I don't buy into the idea that those who deserve a ticket will get a ticket. Plenty will miss out and it's unfortunate but I don't think it's possible to really rank those people on entitlement and I can't think of a better way of handling these kind of things.
True. Is someone who cuts the grass more entitled to a ticket than someone who washes the jersies?
But the thing about clubs distributing tickets is there is always a bit of a wink and a nod situation. Nobody knows how many was allocated, or where they all went. That's the thing I don't like about it all
But they are more important than the no paying members of the association and those bandwagon jumpers who's mates are going for the craic or the one can afford any tickets
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 16, 2024, 09:48:33 PMQuote from: David McKeown on July 16, 2024, 08:46:21 PMQuote from: statto on July 16, 2024, 07:05:05 PMWhen Armagh made final in 2002/2003 I can't recall anyone from the club who I though yes they should have got a ticket but didn't. Be interesting to see how many of the people not affiliated with a club in Armagh who avail of the club championship season ticket or regularly attend these games.There are genuine people like David mckeown who would like see get a ticket but for every David there's 5/6 people who could probably not tell you who the majority of Armagh players play for and following Armagh is more a social occasion rather than anything else.
Sorry to be clear I'm not looking sympathy. I certainly don't deserve that and I've been to plenty of all Ireland finals in my time and should hopefully make this one.
The point I'm trying to make, badly, is that I'm not unique. There are plenty who will struggle in the coming fortnight. People who have good reason for no longer being club members or active members, ones who go to games but for whom the season ticket didn't suit etc etc. So I don't buy into the idea that those who deserve a ticket will get a ticket. Plenty will miss out and it's unfortunate but I don't think it's possible to really rank those people on entitlement and I can't think of a better way of handling these kind of things.
True. Is someone who cuts the grass more entitled to a ticket than someone who washes the jersies?
But the thing about clubs distributing tickets is there is always a bit of a wink and a nod situation. Nobody knows how many was allocated, or where they all went. That's the thing I don't like about it all
Two questions for you to post at your club's AGM (it'll likely be in November).
1. How many AI final tickets did the club receive?
2. What was the distribution method?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2024, 10:08:04 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on July 16, 2024, 09:48:33 PMQuote from: David McKeown on July 16, 2024, 08:46:21 PMQuote from: statto on July 16, 2024, 07:05:05 PMWhen Armagh made final in 2002/2003 I can't recall anyone from the club who I though yes they should have got a ticket but didn't. Be interesting to see how many of the people not affiliated with a club in Armagh who avail of the club championship season ticket or regularly attend these games.There are genuine people like David mckeown who would like see get a ticket but for every David there's 5/6 people who could probably not tell you who the majority of Armagh players play for and following Armagh is more a social occasion rather than anything else.
Sorry to be clear I'm not looking sympathy. I certainly don't deserve that and I've been to plenty of all Ireland finals in my time and should hopefully make this one.
The point I'm trying to make, badly, is that I'm not unique. There are plenty who will struggle in the coming fortnight. People who have good reason for no longer being club members or active members, ones who go to games but for whom the season ticket didn't suit etc etc. So I don't buy into the idea that those who deserve a ticket will get a ticket. Plenty will miss out and it's unfortunate but I don't think it's possible to really rank those people on entitlement and I can't think of a better way of handling these kind of things.
True. Is someone who cuts the grass more entitled to a ticket than someone who washes the jersies?
But the thing about clubs distributing tickets is there is always a bit of a wink and a nod situation. Nobody knows how many was allocated, or where they all went. That's the thing I don't like about it all
But they are more important than the no paying members of the association and those bandwagon jumpers who's mates are going for the craic or the one can afford any tickets
Club delegates allocating tickets to the jersey washers is one thing, but allocating tickets to their family/mates (who aren't a member or from elsewhere) is quite another.
As for the bang wagoners, they're in every county. Compare the attendances from the group stages to the AI semis and final and there will be some difference!
As I said, it's very easy, no non members.
The draw is the best method if there is not enough tickets for everyone.
If someone is a season ticket holder and not a member they should be entitled also. At least they attend throughout the league and Championship
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 16, 2024, 09:30:53 PMQuote from: balladmaker on July 16, 2024, 09:21:30 PMWith Armagh heavily fundraising for the new county training facility in Portadown, you'd think they will follow Cork's lead and open a fanzone. I see Cork sold out their 15k capacity fanzone in no time today. A big screen in the Athletic Grounds would surely draw a big crowd on the day.
Yeah would probably draw a good crowd.
Sinn fein reps on ABC Council are working on a fanzone.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2024, 10:55:58 PMAs I said, it's very easy, no non members.
The draw is the best method if there is not enough tickets for everyone.
If someone is a season ticket holder and not a member they should be entitled also. At least they attend throughout the league and Championship
I agree, but it doesn't always happen
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 16, 2024, 11:00:30 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 16, 2024, 09:30:53 PMQuote from: balladmaker on July 16, 2024, 09:21:30 PMWith Armagh heavily fundraising for the new county training facility in Portadown, you'd think they will follow Cork's lead and open a fanzone. I see Cork sold out their 15k capacity fanzone in no time today. A big screen in the Athletic Grounds would surely draw a big crowd on the day.
Yeah would probably draw a good crowd.
Sinn fein reps on ABC Council are working on a fanzone.
Seen that. Mightn't be too many left in the county to go to it though!
I was Secretary of a club trying sort out tickets for minors at the all-Ireland level the Yr Armagh were in the final 2002. Ended up a open draw for tickets and I saw members who done zero in the club ending up with 75% of tickets, half them barely went to championship games before that. Myself[Secretary, Chairman and treasurer] got none. I got one from another club. At the next AGM I got it put through the Ref and the top level of the committee doing all the work, got priority for tickets. Then stepped down and never went back.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2024, 11:11:52 PMI was Secretary of a club trying sort out tickets for minors at the all-Ireland level the Yr Armagh were in the final 2002. Ended up a open draw for tickets and I saw members who done zero in the club ending up with 75% of tickets, half them barely went to championship games before that. Myself[Secretary, Chairman and treasurer] got none. I got one from another club. At the next AGM I got it put through the Ref and the top level of the committee doing all the work, got priority for tickets. Then stepped down and never went back.
Committee and players should get first priority. If theres anything left for casual members that don't help out then great if not tough luck.
Is it time we built a 100k plus stadium for weeks like this? ;)
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 16, 2024, 11:17:51 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2024, 11:11:52 PMI was Secretary of a club trying sort out tickets for minors at the all-Ireland level the Yr Armagh were in the final 2002. Ended up a open draw for tickets and I saw members who done zero in the club ending up with 75% of tickets, half them barely went to championship games before that. Myself[Secretary, Chairman and treasurer] got none. I got one from another club. At the next AGM I got it put through the Ref and the top level of the committee doing all the work, got priority for tickets. Then stepped down and never went back.
Committee and players should get first priority. If theres anything left for casual members that don't help out then great if not tough luck.
Coaches should also be on the list.
Members pay every year, I've no problem with that..
Club officials put in hidden work lots don't see, very deserving
Coaches, as in non paying juvenile coaches deserve it too.
Also unfortunately your big club sponsors/contributors, while they may never actually go to a club game they commit a serious amount of money that keeps things ticking over.
Current players are no different to ex players so they are in the same boat.
Tickets years ago seemed easier to get for finals.. nowadays nearly impossible
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2024, 07:45:07 PMTickets are available for all counties. People play their part in this association on many levels which makes it the life blood of or games.
Making tickets available for them and not the bandwagons is only fair, they'll appreciate it ten times some larger lout or some bloke with plenty money but wouldn't be a a local club game.
Was there 30 thousand at the Armagh first round of Ulster games?
7k at Armaghs first championship game this year. Hopefully all Armagh fans in attendance get sorted before those who havnt went to one game this year.
My own tuppence
Most die hards who can afford it will be there .
It's interesting for myself thee number of text messages I received from guys and family who wouldn't have been at an Armagh match in years asking for any spares .
I don't live in my club area any more and my son played for another club but they get my monthly subscription and anything else I can give them , don't see why anyone wouldn't be a club member given that your child hood memories were there .
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2024, 11:11:52 PMI was Secretary of a club trying sort out tickets for minors at the all-Ireland level the Yr Armagh were in the final 2002. Ended up a open draw for tickets and I saw members who done zero in the club ending up with 75% of tickets, half them barely went to championship games before that. Myself[Secretary, Chairman and treasurer] got none. I got one from another club. At the next AGM I got it put through the Ref and the top level of the committee doing all the work, got priority for tickets. Then stepped down and never went back.
Fair play to you.
Holding a fully open draw maybe isn't death by a 1000 cuts, but it's definitely 1000 days ahead of feeling the effects of cuts.
A club cannot gain anything by treating its hardest working volunteers the same as its casual members. But it can and will continue to gain the hard work of its hardest working volunteers by placing them in the priority queue.
It's gonna be a disaster and there will be plenty of resentment, of that there is no doubt.
If you are a diehard county supporter and not really a club person, then the season ticket was a no brainer. If you went to all the games and didn't have a season ticket then more fool you.
I dislike this, Oh all of the 7k at the first match should get, or the 6k who went to sligo should get. What if one of those is the only match a person went to, or people couldnt get to that one but went to the rest. It's a nonsense really.
There should be a hierarchy within the clubs who will be sorted 1st and any club person who disagrees with that never pulls their finger out to help around the place.
Today, please spare a thought for the press photographer. When the teams run out for their bench photo they have half a millisecond to take the photo.
Has any photographer ever said "wait lads, there's a player still making his way"?
It's an all-Ireland final, people will be disappointed. I was lucky enough to be there in 2002 and whether I get a ticket for 28th or not I'll still go down to Dublin to enjoy the atmosphere. There are people far more deserving than me that probably won't get and likewise there are f**kers that wouldn't darken the door of a GAA club that will be sat front and centre in the Hogan with their heads buried in their phone. The buzz has started around the county and it brings back fond memories of the late 90s early/00s when the flags and bunting went up. I hope players and fans soak it up and enjoy the occasion and that another generation of young gaels are inspired to follow in the footsteps of the heroes of 03, 02, 77 & 53.
Worst case scenario double up at the turnstile... 2 in under 1 ticket
Watch this for some tips:
https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/81665042
Quote from: samuel maguire on July 17, 2024, 10:47:45 AMWorst case scenario double up at the turnstile... 2 in under 1 ticket
I mind the Hill in 03. Jammed in like sardines. Wasn't even room in the aisles. A certain amount of skullduggery defo went on at the turnstiles that day.
I wouldn't like to be an Armagh fan trying to get a Final ticket atm. I just about got a ticket from club in 2021, although it's maybe hard to compare with now as capacity then was officially limited to 41k (in reality though there were many more in attendance that day due to a lot of fans slipping through the turnstiles) but the overall demand from Tyrone in general then (lots of people were happy to stay at home and watch on Tv due to Covid) would be nowhere near what Armagh would be currently experiencing.
Final tickets - first world problems.
240 Tickets for each club in Armagh
https://x.com/mccoyniall/status/1813551331719934351?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 17, 2024, 01:37:14 PM240 Tickets for each club in Armagh
https://x.com/mccoyniall/status/1813551331719934351?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Thats a huge number of tickets for small junior clubs, doesn't seem fair that all clubs getting the same amount of tickets. I doubt there's many counites who go down that route.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 17, 2024, 01:48:00 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on July 17, 2024, 01:37:14 PM240 Tickets for each club in Armagh
https://x.com/mccoyniall/status/1813551331719934351?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Thats a huge number of tickets for small junior clubs, doesn't seem fair that all clubs getting the same amount of tickets. I doubt there's many counites who go down that route.
Surely each club has a registered number of members and it wouldn't have been hard to calculate the allocation on a pro-rata basis?
That's fair in respect that if the allocation is not used within that clubs membership, then the rest go back to the county to allocate to other clubs that are short of tickets due to their membership being bigger
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 17, 2024, 01:48:00 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on July 17, 2024, 01:37:14 PM240 Tickets for each club in Armagh
https://x.com/mccoyniall/status/1813551331719934351?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Thats a huge number of tickets for small junior clubs, doesn't seem fair that all clubs getting the same amount of tickets. I doubt there's many counites who go down that route.
One vote per club in deciding the system. 240 tickets is a drop in the ocean for the bigger clubs.
That's the joy of being in a final. Especially with two teams who haven't been there in a long time. Demand will outstrip supply all day long and unfortunately, quite a lot of people are going to be disappointed.
Pretty sure that when Down made it in 2010:
The first tranche of tickets was split evenly per club.
A second tranche of tickets (returns from counties, unsold season tickets, etc) appeared about 6-7 days before the final and its distribution was weighted by club membership.
All Ireland finals are not like other games with respect to returns - there won't be any.
Those smaller clubs are allocating 2/3 per tickets per member.
This is absolute madness. Ridiculous policy. You'd think the likes of Crossmaglen, Tir na og etc are going to be completely screwed.
Quote from: Sportacus on July 17, 2024, 02:08:58 PMQuote from: Maroon Manc on July 17, 2024, 01:48:00 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on July 17, 2024, 01:37:14 PM240 Tickets for each club in Armagh
https://x.com/mccoyniall/status/1813551331719934351?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Thats a huge number of tickets for small junior clubs, doesn't seem fair that all clubs getting the same amount of tickets. I doubt there's many counites who go down that route.
Surely each club has a registered number of members and it wouldn't have been hard to calculate the allocation on a pro-rata basis?
I have read elsewhere that Armagh clubs voted in favour of each club having an equal allocation in regards AI tickets, and it carried due to there being so many small clubs. So tough titty for Clann Éireann, Cross, Killeavy etc.
Quote from: general_lee on July 17, 2024, 02:51:48 PMQuote from: Sportacus on July 17, 2024, 02:08:58 PMQuote from: Maroon Manc on July 17, 2024, 01:48:00 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on July 17, 2024, 01:37:14 PM240 Tickets for each club in Armagh
https://x.com/mccoyniall/status/1813551331719934351?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
junior clubs all voted for this
do teams with a seconds in the league, cross, killeavy, peters and clann eireann get 480 tickets as they are paying double fees ?
Thats a huge number of tickets for small junior clubs, doesn't seem fair that all clubs getting the same amount of tickets. I doubt there's many counites who go down that route.
Surely each club has a registered number of members and it wouldn't have been hard to calculate the allocation on a pro-rata basis?
I have read elsewhere that Armagh clubs voted in favour of each club having an equal allocation in regards AI tickets, and it carried due to there being so many small clubs. So tough titty for Clann Éireann, Cross, Killeavy etc.
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 17, 2024, 02:47:39 PMAll Ireland finals are not like other games with respect to returns - there won't be any.
Those smaller clubs are allocating 2/3 per tickets per member.
Exactly this.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 17, 2024, 02:11:34 PMThat's fair in respect that if the allocation is not used within that clubs membership, then the rest go back to the county to allocate to other clubs that are short of tickets due to their membership being bigger
Are you serious? No club is going to return any All Ireland tickets.
If you are a small club with less members than the number of tickets allocated to you - you're going to give two tickets to some members. Or maybe give some to lads who have been members or players in the past but aren't anymore for whatever reason (moved away etc.).
You absolutely will not be returning any to the county board - not a chance.
Quote from: general_lee on July 17, 2024, 02:51:48 PMQuote from: Sportacus on July 17, 2024, 02:08:58 PMQuote from: Maroon Manc on July 17, 2024, 01:48:00 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on July 17, 2024, 01:37:14 PM240 Tickets for each club in Armagh
https://x.com/mccoyniall/status/1813551331719934351?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Thats a huge number of tickets for small junior clubs, doesn't seem fair that all clubs getting the same amount of tickets. I doubt there's many counites who go down that route.
Surely each club has a registered number of members and it wouldn't have been hard to calculate the allocation on a pro-rata basis?
I have read elsewhere that Armagh clubs voted in favour of each club having an equal allocation in regards AI tickets, and it carried due to there being so many small clubs. So tough titty for Clann Éireann, Cross, Killeavy etc.
When you vote people into leadership positions, should they not be able to sit down and make a decision, instead of taking a vote on everything that moves thereafter!
Quote from: general_lee on July 17, 2024, 02:51:48 PMQuote from: Sportacus on July 17, 2024, 02:08:58 PMQuote from: Maroon Manc on July 17, 2024, 01:48:00 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on July 17, 2024, 01:37:14 PM240 Tickets for each club in Armagh
https://x.com/mccoyniall/status/1813551331719934351?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Thats a huge number of tickets for small junior clubs, doesn't seem fair that all clubs getting the same amount of tickets. I doubt there's many counites who go down that route.
Surely each club has a registered number of members and it wouldn't have been hard to calculate the allocation on a pro-rata basis?
I have read elsewhere that Armagh clubs voted in favour of each club having an equal allocation in regards AI tickets, and it carried due to there being so many small clubs. So tough titty for Clann Éireann, Cross, Killeavy etc.
A very odd take on it, I'm sure there's plenty of good people in those clubs who won't get a ticket now because of the incompetence of their County Board.
Quote from: galwayman on July 17, 2024, 03:08:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 17, 2024, 02:11:34 PMThat's fair in respect that if the allocation is not used within that clubs membership, then the rest go back to the county to allocate to other clubs that are short of tickets due to their membership being bigger
Are you serious? No club is going to return any All Ireland tickets.
If you are a small club with less members than the number of tickets allocated to you - you're going to give two tickets to some members. Or maybe give some to lads who have been members or players in the past but aren't anymore for whatever reason (moved away etc.).
You absolutely will not be returning any to the county board - not a chance.
And that's fine if the club is going to do that, just don't be surprised that they get less tickets the next time..
Giving non paid up members tickets is just wrong..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 17, 2024, 03:13:51 PMQuote from: galwayman on July 17, 2024, 03:08:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 17, 2024, 02:11:34 PMThat's fair in respect that if the allocation is not used within that clubs membership, then the rest go back to the county to allocate to other clubs that are short of tickets due to their membership being bigger
Are you serious? No club is going to return any All Ireland tickets.
If you are a small club with less members than the number of tickets allocated to you - you're going to give two tickets to some members. Or maybe give some to lads who have been members or players in the past but aren't anymore for whatever reason (moved away etc.).
You absolutely will not be returning any to the county board - not a chance.
And that's fine if the club is going to do that, just don't be surprised that they get less tickets the next time..
Giving non paid up members tickets is just wrong..
Unless it's the local bank manager or the local solicitor ::)
Quote from: galwayman on July 17, 2024, 03:08:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 17, 2024, 02:11:34 PMThat's fair in respect that if the allocation is not used within that clubs membership, then the rest go back to the county to allocate to other clubs that are short of tickets due to their membership being bigger
Are you serious? No club is going to return any All Ireland tickets.
If you are a small club with less members than the number of tickets allocated to you - you're going to give two tickets to some members. Or maybe give some to lads who have been members or players in the past but aren't anymore for whatever reason (moved away etc.).
You absolutely will not be returning any to the county board - not a chance.
Exactly. They'd raffle them before handing them back.
Heard last night of paid up club members asking for 5 plus tickets each. Nb none of these people have attended any matches this year except ulster final and last Saturday. They may not get these but given the club is small they are likely to receive more than 1 per person. I think this is very, very unfair. If you are a member and lucky to get, it should be 1 member 1 ticket.
(Just done a quick calculation on how much we spent on tickets following Armagh this year alone - 2'adults & 1 juvenile from league inc season tickets to AI final amounted to over £925 just for tickets never mind travel, food and stay in cork, so expensive enough but worth it).
Good luck to those still waiting and hope all real fans get sorted!
In Armagh, who is the largest membership? Surely Killeavy is up there?
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 17, 2024, 04:46:10 PMIn Armagh, who is the largest membership? Surely Killeavy is up there?
Yeah them, Cross, Clann Eireann, Clann Na Gael and Harps I'm guessing.
Likes of Lissummon, Mullabrack, Dorsey and Killean would be smallest I'd say.
Quote from: Armagh Girl on July 17, 2024, 04:13:19 PMHeard last night of paid up club members asking for 5 plus tickets each. Nb none of these people have attended any matches this year except ulster final and last Saturday. They may not get these but given the club is small they are likely to receive more than 1 per person. I think this is very, very unfair. If you are a member and lucky to get, it should be 1 member 1 ticket.
(Just done a quick calculation on how much we spent on tickets following Armagh this year alone - 2'adults & 1 juvenile from league inc season tickets to AI final amounted to over £925 just for tickets never mind travel, food and stay in cork, so expensive enough but worth it).
Good luck to those still waiting and hope all real fans get sorted!
The old "I heard".They may ask for 5 tickets as people will have an unrealistic entitlement.that doesn't mean they will get it.I spoke to club secretary before Ulster final and I Said you must he tortured.says that some woman who young fella plays u12 and she wasn't a member asked to put name down for 8 tickets, yet wouldn't pay 30 quid membership.
Quote from: statto on July 17, 2024, 05:06:31 PMQuote from: Armagh Girl on July 17, 2024, 04:13:19 PMHeard last night of paid up club members asking for 5 plus tickets each. Nb none of these people have attended any matches this year except ulster final and last Saturday. They may not get these but given the club is small they are likely to receive more than 1 per person. I think this is very, very unfair. If you are a member and lucky to get, it should be 1 member 1 ticket.
(Just done a quick calculation on how much we spent on tickets following Armagh this year alone - 2'adults & 1 juvenile from league inc season tickets to AI final amounted to over £925 just for tickets never mind travel, food and stay in cork, so expensive enough but worth it).
Good luck to those still waiting and hope all real fans get sorted!
The old "I heard".They may ask for 5 tickets as people will have an unrealistic entitlement.that doesn't mean they will get it.I spoke to club secretary before Ulster final and I Said you must he tortured.says that some woman who young fella plays u12 and she wasn't a member asked to put name down for 8 tickets, yet wouldn't pay 30 quid membership.
Tell her to join Mullabrack.
Quote from: Sportacus on July 17, 2024, 02:08:58 PMQuote from: Maroon Manc on July 17, 2024, 01:48:00 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on July 17, 2024, 01:37:14 PM240 Tickets for each club in Armagh
https://x.com/mccoyniall/status/1813551331719934351?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Thats a huge number of tickets for small junior clubs, doesn't seem fair that all clubs getting the same amount of tickets. I doubt there's many counites who go down that route.
Surely each club has a registered number of members and it wouldn't have been hard to calculate the allocation on a pro-rata basis?
True.
At least then you'd know if you were a member you'd be guaranteed a ticket. And it would cut out the shenanigans that go on around AI final allocations
As it is, at least clubs with less than 240 members , each member can't be shafted on a ticket.
Quote from: lurganblue on July 17, 2024, 09:29:56 AMIf you are a diehard county supporter and not really a club person, then the season ticket was a no brainer. If you went to all the games and didn't have a season ticket then more fool you.
I disagree on the season ticket. They've decimated the perks of it so much that you'd think they're trying to dissuade people from using it. Upping the price so that there's basically no discount, removing the free championship game etc. Worst of all is removing the option to add a person next to you for a game, if you want to bring your parent, mate or even a kid along. Most people don't want to sit alone. No idea why they removed that
It's obviously amazing for the peace of mind on occasions like this but it's not as if either county is Dublin or Kerry. A final was unlikely for both
Quote from: Manning18 on July 17, 2024, 05:33:46 PMQuote from: lurganblue on July 17, 2024, 09:29:56 AMIf you are a diehard county supporter and not really a club person, then the season ticket was a no brainer. If you went to all the games and didn't have a season ticket then more fool you.
I disagree on the season ticket. They've decimated the perks of it so much that you'd think they're trying to dissuade people from using it. Upping the price so that there's basically no discount, removing the free championship game etc. Worst of all is removing the option to add a person next to you for a game, if you want to bring your parent, mate or even a kid along. Most people don't want to sit alone. No idea why they removed that
It's obviously amazing for the peace of mind on occasions like this but it's not as if either county is Dublin or Kerry. A final was unlikely for both
Maybe a bit conspiracy theory-ish but the season ticket reduces the importance of a whole lot of GAA insiders "pull" around All-Ireland tickets a fair bit. Reduces Croke Park insiders, county board insiders and even the influence of club insiders soft power in terms of providing tickets to folks. A lot of these inside GAA people just don't like the idea that some random punter off the street can guarantee themselves an all-Ireland ticket by going to ticketmaster and simply paying for the season ticket and not having to engage with a club at all.
Quote from: Manning18 on July 17, 2024, 05:33:46 PMQuote from: lurganblue on July 17, 2024, 09:29:56 AMIf you are a diehard county supporter and not really a club person, then the season ticket was a no brainer. If you went to all the games and didn't have a season ticket then more fool you.
I disagree on the season ticket. They've decimated the perks of it so much that you'd think they're trying to dissuade people from using it. Upping the price so that there's basically no discount, removing the free championship game etc. Worst of all is removing the option to add a person next to you for a game, if you want to bring your parent, mate or even a kid along. Most people don't want to sit alone. No idea why they removed that
It's obviously amazing for the peace of mind on occasions like this but it's not as if either county is Dublin or Kerry. A final was unlikely for both
The cost is one thing, although the season ticket gives free admission to the league finals, and Armagh were almost certain to be in the Div 2 final from the beginning. You could also get admission to the All Ireland club final, which I used the previous 2 years when Kilmacud was there.
However, a flexible arrangement for the seating is a no brainer.
The only limitation of this is that it gives people with money in hand (like me) an advantage as we have no problem forking out the cash, although this year I actually did get to all league and championship games.
It's been a standard 1 membership, 1 ticket for donkeys years. I can't see any difference now. People asking for 5 tickets, don't make me laugh.
Genuine question that I don't know the answer to but how are county board fees etc calculated. Is each club required to pay the same or is it calculated on a pro rate basis. Same with providing stewards etc?
If it's the same regardless of club size then I can see the argument for ticket allocation being calculated the same way.
Seen elsewhere it's just the same no matter the club.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 17, 2024, 02:49:28 PMThis is absolute madness. Ridiculous policy. You'd think the likes of Crossmaglen, Tir na og etc are going to be completely screwed.
Tbf each club contributes the same amount to the county coffers
I am from a bigger club but can understand why it's done like this .
I wonder if cross , peters , clan Éireann , killeavy who have two teams in the league run as two separate teams get 480 ?
Quote from: naka on July 18, 2024, 09:10:29 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on July 17, 2024, 02:49:28 PMThis is absolute madness. Ridiculous policy. You'd think the likes of Crossmaglen, Tir na og etc are going to be completely screwed.
Tbf each club contributes the same amount to the county coffers
I am from a bigger club but can understand why it's done like this .
I wonder if cross , peters , clan Éireann , killeavy who have two teams in the league run as two separate teams get 480 ?
Are there not any fees associated with teams, so that the likes of Cross or Killeavy would have to pay more than a small club with a merged minor team?
Earlier this year, Galway had Armagh bet and were comfortable until Gleeson had a bit of a wobble. It was clear that day that Galway managed to dismantle Armagh's defensive set up more effectively than they did with ours.
True. Hopefully we don't play as shite again. We'd also a pile of poor wides in the first half that on another day we'd have scored.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 18, 2024, 10:35:00 AMTrue. Hopefully we don't play as shite again. We'd also a pile of poor wides in the first half that on another day we'd have scored.
We need the accuracy of the Ulster final, the ability to break shown against Derry and some of the determination shown against Kerry.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 18, 2024, 10:39:30 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 18, 2024, 10:35:00 AMTrue. Hopefully we don't play as shite again. We'd also a pile of poor wides in the first half that on another day we'd have scored.
We need the accuracy of the Ulster final, the ability to break shown against Derry and some of the determination shown against Kerry.
I think it's all coming together and the momentum is with Armagh.
Quote from: Jaffa Cake on July 18, 2024, 11:11:47 AMQuote from: armaghniac on July 18, 2024, 10:39:30 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 18, 2024, 10:35:00 AMTrue. Hopefully we don't play as shite again. We'd also a pile of poor wides in the first half that on another day we'd have scored.
We need the accuracy of the Ulster final, the ability to break shown against Derry and some of the determination shown against Kerry.
I think it's all coming together and the momentum is with Armagh.
Quote from: Jaffa Cake on July 18, 2024, 11:11:47 AMQuote from: armaghniac on July 18, 2024, 10:39:30 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 18, 2024, 10:35:00 AMTrue. Hopefully we don't play as shite again. We'd also a pile of poor wides in the first half that on another day we'd have scored.
We need the accuracy of the Ulster final, the ability to break shown against Derry and some of the determination shown against Kerry.
I think it's all coming together and the momentum is with Armagh.
Tyrone man with 1 post. Love it!
Cork and Clare cashing in on their Hurling Final appearances!!
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/business-of-sport/arid-41438707.html
Hurson the ref which not ideal from Armagh point of view.should the ref not being selected from a province not involved?
Aw ffs. After his performance the last day as well.
Advantage Galway.
Its mad how people immediately get up in arms about a ref, on both sides
Hurson has had a string of contentious games where Galway fans have been upset, none moreso than the 22 All ireland final where he gave the inexplicable decision against John Daly with the game tied
Galway fans are also upset that its an Ulster referee. As seemingly, are Armagh fans!
Depending on your viewpoint on Gough (I think he ref's a game that's alien to everyone else), Hurson has been the best ref in the country for 3 years. They all make mistakes
Why are our fans always bloody complaining about something?
Seriously have to question the judgement in selecting Sean Hurson for the final after his performance the last day he reff'ed the game in Sligo.
Irrespective of the last day, surely a ref. from a neighbouring county of a competing county is questionable. Are there no suitable refs in Leinster or Munster!
Quote from: balladmaker on July 18, 2024, 02:00:05 PMSeriously have to question the judgement in selecting Sean Hurson for the final after his performance the last day he reff'ed the game in Sligo.
Irrespective of the last day, surely a ref. from a neighbouring county of a competing county is questionable. Are there no suitable refs in Leinster or Munster!
Can you imagine being a referee and fans giving off about you before you step foot on the pitch. He is a referee he will make mistakes, it will happen pretty much all of the time, it is something we have to accept.
Armagh people annoyed that a Tyrone heure will throw the game against then.
Galway people annoyed that the Tyrone heure will help out his fellow Ulstermen.
In the end up, he will be completely fine.
Good ref is Hurson, no soft frees like Gough and has no notion in being the centre of attention
If we win, he'll be the best ref. ever. Still hold a special place in my heart for John Bannon :)
On the hunt for a ticket if anyone can help a man out.
Been to 6 Armagh games this year and not likely to get a ticket through my club
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 18, 2024, 02:09:20 PMArmagh people annoyed that a Tyrone heure will throw the game against then.
Galway people annoyed that the Tyrone heure will help out his fellow Ulstermen.
In the end up, he will be completely fine.
It is a referee both teams are familiar with. No doubt he would have watched the Armagh and Galway game again and identified areas he could perform better in. He already has a difficult job and ultimately how he referees the game is a reflection on him.
Armagh have a lot to improve on - there are several aspects of their performance that were actually below par.
Quote from: Cortoon on July 18, 2024, 10:27:58 AMEarlier this year, Galway had Armagh bet and were comfortable until Gleeson had a bit of a wobble. It was clear that day that Galway managed to dismantle Armagh's defensive set up more effectively than they did with ours.
Galway were comfortable in the 2022 1/4 Final as well and only ended up going through on pens, so maybe a bit of a pattern there with Armagh.
Quote from: bogball88 on July 18, 2024, 02:17:57 PMGood ref is Hurson, no soft frees like Gough and has no notion in being the centre of attention
The exact opposite of this is more accurate
Quote from: balladmaker on July 18, 2024, 02:00:05 PMSeriously have to question the judgement in selecting Sean Hurson for the final after his performance the last day he reff'ed the game in Sligo.
Irrespective of the last day, surely a ref. from a neighbouring county of a competing county is questionable. Are there no suitable refs in Leinster or Munster!
can mind a Cork Referee doing the 1986 All-Ireland Final so this kind of thing is nothing new.
Shouldn't happen though.
I don't know why the GAA picks referees in this kind of manner as regardless of their performance it leaves the referee open to easy criticism which makes an already hard job already harder.
That said Hurson's role in over turning a free kick when linesman in the Ulster semi final as well as his performance in the match between the two teams in the group stages ought to have excluded him on merit.
Advantage Armagh now. It's madness to pick a ref from the same province.
Especially Ulster where they make a deal about supporting each other out of the province.
Quote from: Cortoon on July 18, 2024, 03:48:35 PMAdvantage Armagh now. It's madness to pick a ref from the same province.
Especially Ulster where they make a deal about supporting each other out of the province.
Have you ever actually spoken to a person from Tyrone or Armagh lol
Quote from: David McKeown on July 18, 2024, 03:42:15 PMI don't know why the GAA picks referees in this kind of manner as regardless of their performance it leaves the referee open to easy criticism which makes an already hard job already harder.
That said Hurson's role in over turning a free kick when linesman in the Ulster semi final as well as his performance in the match between the two teams in the group stages ought to have excluded him on merit.
Spot on.
Forgot about that Down one!
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 18, 2024, 03:56:53 PMQuote from: Cortoon on July 18, 2024, 03:48:35 PMAdvantage Armagh now. It's madness to pick a ref from the same province.
Especially Ulster where they make a deal about supporting each other out of the province.
Have you ever actually spoken to a person from Tyrone or Armagh lol
Yes. They make a big point of emphasise how the big rivalry is put aside when they go down to play teams from the South.
I don't think it's like that for every team though. e.g. I think Kerry would have less fans up north but I think Galway would be ok. The kerry media and how the kerry people in the media have spoke of northern teams has put people off them a lot but Galway wouldn't have that issue.
Also Joyce is a likeable character(as is Geezer I think though am not sure everyone would agree) so I think most up north wouldn't begrudge him. Both were under a lot of pressure and especially in Joyce you see a lot of joy and pressure release. O'Connor wouldn't have quite the same reputation and doesn't tend to endear people either.
Hurson shouldn't be allowed anywhere near it on 2 fronts, performances this year & his county allegiance. How hard is it to get a ref from a neutral province ffs.
Maybe they hada draw among themselves like that Louth ref?
Quote from: bennydorano on July 18, 2024, 04:54:41 PMHurson shouldn't be allowed anywhere near it on 2 fronts, performances this year & his county allegiance. How hard is it to get a ref from a neutral province ffs.
Maybe they hada draw among themselves like that Louth ref?
Even for the optics of it, a ref from a neutral province is a no brainer.
Armagh should do a Kilcoo and refuse to play! ;D ;D ;D
Two words spring to mind —— unconscious bias!
Poor decision by the GAA (yet another one).
The man himself is straight away in a dilemma - I'm sure he wouldn't dream of saying no when he got the call, but deep down in his mind he'll realise that if he makes a big call against Armagh he'll live with it for the rest of his life (the looks from his Tyrone & Armagh neighbours).
Make a big call against Galway and it doesn't have the same consequences.
He can't win and shouldn't really have been put in such a position.
That is a seriously bad decision. You can't be having a neighbouring Referee Reffing a match. ::)
Hopefully works out well in Armagh's favour. At times neighbouring refs will unconsciously go out of their way to show they're not robbing their local rivals.
If you're good enough, the ref. ain't going to stop you winning it. But in the margins of a very tight game, it's the decisions one way or the other that could very well decide it. Not ideal for Sean Hurson to be placed in the situation, you'd think a ref from a neutral province would have been a no brainer. If you are that ref. in Munster or Leinster, you'd be asking yourself a question or two today.
'Hurson's umpires on the day will be Martin Coney and Cathal Forbes both from Ardboe, Mel Taggart from Clonoe and Shane Dorrity from Coalisland.'
On a different note, does anyone have links to decorations around the county ahead of the match.
There's been some meltdown from Armagh fans over this Referee appointment.
This was a more controversial appointment:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-30967544.html
Quote from: clarshack on July 18, 2024, 08:37:02 PMThere's been some meltdown from Armagh fans over this Referee appointment.
No there hasn't.
Quote from: Oraisteach on July 18, 2024, 06:44:42 PMOn a different note, does anyone have links to decorations around the county ahead of the match.
Fella in Armagh at ring rosd just across from st malachys, value land in Cross, around a pound in newry, Lurgan and Armagh. Valu land in Cross and theres a similar shop in Keady. Dan Gregorys Bessbrook as well.
Probably best to phone ahead though.
Quote from: clarshack on July 18, 2024, 08:37:02 PMThere's been some meltdown from Armagh fans over this Referee appointment.
has there? Must have missed that. I think he is a good ref even if a few of his decisions the last day were odd
Will tickets only be available on phones or will there be an option to print the QR code?
Quote from: ranch on July 19, 2024, 08:51:03 AMWill tickets only be available on phones or will there be an option to print the QR code?
Hate that, I'm a paper based person, never use the phone for that stuff but had to download the ticketmaster app recently and stick it on a wallet?
Just a physical ticket I would think.
Quote from: ranch on July 19, 2024, 08:51:03 AMWill tickets only be available on phones or will there be an option to print the QR code?
Remember screen shots of tickets are not allowed any more.
Galway have received just shy of 17,000 tickets.
I printed off my dads ticket 2 years ago and I went in on my phone.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 19, 2024, 09:02:43 AMJust a physical ticket I would think.
Clubs are getting physical tickets i believe
The well designed physical tickets are a great momentous hope they're never done away with, still have all mine that I've collected over the years even though my county has never been a participant :(
I'm not a fan of digital tickets. Having the real printed ticket with the hologram was always a great keepsake from a big match.
Quote from: naka on July 18, 2024, 09:10:29 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on July 17, 2024, 02:49:28 PMThis is absolute madness. Ridiculous policy. You'd think the likes of Crossmaglen, Tir na og etc are going to be completely screwed.
Tbf each club contributes the same amount to the county coffers
I am from a bigger club but can understand why it's done like this .
I wonder if cross , peters , clan Éireann , killeavy who have two teams in the league run as two separate teams get 480 ?
How would it work with hurling clubs would they get 240 as well? Some of those are dual clubs
Quote from: maddog on July 19, 2024, 01:40:07 PMQuote from: naka on July 18, 2024, 09:10:29 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on July 17, 2024, 02:49:28 PMThis is absolute madness. Ridiculous policy. You'd think the likes of Crossmaglen, Tir na og etc are going to be completely screwed.
Tbf each club contributes the same amount to the county coffers
I am from a bigger club but can understand why it's done like this .
I wonder if cross , peters , clan Éireann , killeavy who have two teams in the league run as two separate teams get 480 ?
How would it work with hurling clubs would they get 240 as well? Some of those are dual clubs
Dual clubs will get both, single clubs shouldn't get any for the code they don't play in
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 19, 2024, 01:45:45 PMQuote from: maddog on July 19, 2024, 01:40:07 PMQuote from: naka on July 18, 2024, 09:10:29 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on July 17, 2024, 02:49:28 PMThis is absolute madness. Ridiculous policy. You'd think the likes of Crossmaglen, Tir na og etc are going to be completely screwed.
Tbf each club contributes the same amount to the county coffers
I am from a bigger club but can understand why it's done like this .
I wonder if cross , peters , clan Éireann , killeavy who have two teams in the league run as two separate teams get 480 ?
How would it work with hurling clubs would they get 240 as well? Some of those are dual clubs
Dual clubs will get both, single clubs shouldn't get any for the code they don't play in
think single hurling clubs got 70
Quote from: naka on July 19, 2024, 02:04:40 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 19, 2024, 01:45:45 PMQuote from: maddog on July 19, 2024, 01:40:07 PMQuote from: naka on July 18, 2024, 09:10:29 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on July 17, 2024, 02:49:28 PMThis is absolute madness. Ridiculous policy. You'd think the likes of Crossmaglen, Tir na og etc are going to be completely screwed.
Tbf each club contributes the same amount to the county coffers
I am from a bigger club but can understand why it's done like this .
I wonder if cross , peters , clan Éireann , killeavy who have two teams in the league run as two separate teams get 480 ?
How would it work with hurling clubs would they get 240 as well? Some of those are dual clubs
Dual clubs will get both, single clubs shouldn't get any for the code they don't play in
think single hurling clubs got 70
After the slagging the hurling ones give the game of football te. Surely they'll all be handed back ;D
I've been to 90% of Armagh matches this year, I'm a club member & sponsor too and I reckon I'll be lucky to get a ticket from my club from the talk i'm hearing.
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/kieran-mcgeeney-explains-colour-blindeness-reason-behind-jersey-selection-332451?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3953OmwidhJFNdDnfCvxFxcXJTpkYPZP5Dq2YSSgPgVcCXn1J3EPs5X10_aem_BFN0YJ5L_2jNcleek6SwKw
Quote from: balladmaker on July 19, 2024, 04:06:14 PMhttps://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/kieran-mcgeeney-explains-colour-blindeness-reason-behind-jersey-selection-332451?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3953OmwidhJFNdDnfCvxFxcXJTpkYPZP5Dq2YSSgPgVcCXn1J3EPs5X10_aem_BFN0YJ5L_2jNcleek6SwKw
Very good. Oranges and greens would pretty much look the same, would be a nightmare for those 2 players against the likes of Kerry / Donegal.
Going with the law of averages, there is in a likelihood 1 player in each squad with colourblindness
Quote from: JoG2 on July 19, 2024, 04:20:23 PMQuote from: balladmaker on July 19, 2024, 04:06:14 PMhttps://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/kieran-mcgeeney-explains-colour-blindeness-reason-behind-jersey-selection-332451?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3953OmwidhJFNdDnfCvxFxcXJTpkYPZP5Dq2YSSgPgVcCXn1J3EPs5X10_aem_BFN0YJ5L_2jNcleek6SwKw
Very good. Oranges and greens would pretty much look the same, would be a nightmare for those 2 players against the likes of Kerry / Donegal.
Going with the law of averages, there is in a likelihood 1 player in each squad with colourblindness
8% of European males are colour blind to some extent so on a squad there might be 3 or 4 with a problem.
Women are <1%.
Red/Green is the most common problem, so black helped against Kerry, but for Galway their jerseys are dark and would simply look black to anyone unable to see red, so a lighter colour is appropriate.
I've said it for years and will say it forever... one team should be in all white and one team should not be allowed white. The Yanks have got this one right.
My 47 year old eyes find these colours trying, among many other examples.
Mayo v Galway a struggle.
Galway v Cork a struggle.
Armagh v Down a struggle.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 19, 2024, 04:41:55 PMI've said it for years and will say it forever... one team should be in all white and one team should not be allowed white. The Yanks have got this one right.
My 47 year old eyes find these colours trying, among many other examples.
Mayo v Galway a struggle.
Galway v Cork a struggle.
Armagh v Down a struggle.
There are other ways, for instance teams should not both wear white shorts. In Armagh v Down the shorts are a help at least. Or teams could have a version of their jersey with a hoop etc.
But they should try.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 19, 2024, 04:48:20 PMQuote from: thewobbler on July 19, 2024, 04:41:55 PMI've said it for years and will say it forever... one team should be in all white and one team should not be allowed white. The Yanks have got this one right.
My 47 year old eyes find these colours trying, among many other examples.
Mayo v Galway a struggle.
Galway v Cork a struggle.
Armagh v Down a struggle.
There are other ways, for instance teams should not both wear white shorts. In Armagh v Down the shorts are a help at least. Or teams could have a version of their jersey with a hoop etc.
But they should try.
Plus, if goal keepers are going to play outfield then they should not wear the same colour as the refa-effing-ree.
And Derry hi need to go back to the 360 degree hoop not the ridiculous 180 degree hoop. Who's stupid idea was that?
Quote from: armaghniac on July 17, 2024, 05:08:06 PMQuote from: statto on July 17, 2024, 05:06:31 PMQuote from: Armagh Girl on July 17, 2024, 04:13:19 PMHeard last night of paid up club members asking for 5 plus tickets each. Nb none of these people have attended any matches this year except ulster final and last Saturday. They may not get these but given the club is small they are likely to receive more than 1 per person. I think this is very, very unfair. If you are a member and lucky to get, it should be 1 member 1 ticket.
(Just done a quick calculation on how much we spent on tickets following Armagh this year alone - 2'adults & 1 juvenile from league inc season tickets to AI final amounted to over £925 just for tickets never mind travel, food and stay in cork, so expensive enough but worth it).
Good luck to those still waiting and hope all real fans get sorted!
The old "I heard".They may ask for 5 tickets as people will have an unrealistic entitlement.that doesn't mean they will get it.I spoke to club secretary before Ulster final and I Said you must he tortured.says that some woman who young fella plays u12 and she wasn't a member asked to put name down for 8 tickets, yet wouldn't pay 30 quid membership.
Tell her to join Mullabrack.
Little Emma Pengelly home club. Wonder if she will attend?
Not much between the sides.
The thing that tips it for me is the been there, lost, got back again and win thing.
Happened Tyrone in 2018-2021. Galway final 2 years ago. I know Mayo (and England) prove that's not a thing but it tips it in Galway's favour for me.
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2024, 10:29:22 PMNot much between the sides.
The thing that tips it for me is the been there, lost, got back again and win thing.
Happened Tyrone in 2018-2021. Galway final 2 years ago. I know Mayo (and England) prove that's not a thing but it tips it in Galway's favour for me.
Hopefully Galway follow in the neighbours footsteps;)
Think our hurt of not getting over the line in those tight games will drive us home in this one.
Either way the colour and craic around the county this week has been second to none and a pleasure to be apart of.
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2024, 10:29:22 PMNot much between the sides.
The thing that tips it for me is the been there, lost, got back again and win thing.
Happened Tyrone in 2018-2021. Galway final 2 years ago. I know Mayo (and England) prove that's not a thing but it tips it in Galway's favour for me.
Tyrone lost ai final in 2018 Mayo lost in 2020 so by your logic is 2021 Mayo should have won as they have more recent final experience?
Quote from: statto on July 19, 2024, 10:40:48 PMQuote from: ONeill on July 19, 2024, 10:29:22 PMNot much between the sides.
The thing that tips it for me is the been there, lost, got back again and win thing.
Happened Tyrone in 2018-2021. Galway final 2 years ago. I know Mayo (and England) prove that's not a thing but it tips it in Galway's favour for me.
Tyrone lost ai final in 2018 Mayo lost in 2020 so by your logic is 2021 Mayo should have won as they have more recent final experience?
Did you read what I wrote?
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 19, 2024, 10:37:51 PMQuote from: ONeill on July 19, 2024, 10:29:22 PMNot much between the sides.
The thing that tips it for me is the been there, lost, got back again and win thing.
Happened Tyrone in 2018-2021. Galway final 2 years ago. I know Mayo (and England) prove that's not a thing but it tips it in Galway's favour for me.
Hopefully Galway follow in the neighbours footsteps;)
Think our hurt of not getting over the line in those tight games will drive us home in this one.
Either way the colour and craic around the county this week has been second to none and a pleasure to be apart of.
The colour and craic should be enjoyed.
I think an Armagh win, coupled with a change of sorts, will galvanise the Tyrone support but we've been damp for 24 months.
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2024, 10:44:29 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 19, 2024, 10:37:51 PMQuote from: ONeill on July 19, 2024, 10:29:22 PMNot much between the sides.
The thing that tips it for me is the been there, lost, got back again and win thing.
Happened Tyrone in 2018-2021. Galway final 2 years ago. I know Mayo (and England) prove that's not a thing but it tips it in Galway's favour for me.
Hopefully Galway follow in the neighbours footsteps;)
Think our hurt of not getting over the line in those tight games will drive us home in this one.
Either way the colour and craic around the county this week has been second to none and a pleasure to be apart of.
The colour and craic should be enjoyed.
I think an Armagh win, coupled with a change of sorts, will galvanise the Tyrone support but we've been damp for 24 months.
You's will be back unfortunately. Look how competitive yous were against Donegal the first day with a pile of kids playing. Canavan and Morgan are 2 of the best in the business at what they do.
As great as this run has been, I've git it in the back of my head that we'll draw Tyrone in the first round of Ulster and you's will be mad to get a cut at us and bring us back down to Earth. Hopefully we're sitting with Sam in the bag though.
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2024, 10:43:07 PMQuote from: statto on July 19, 2024, 10:40:48 PMQuote from: ONeill on July 19, 2024, 10:29:22 PMNot much between the sides.
The thing that tips it for me is the been there, lost, got back again and win thing.
Happened Tyrone in 2018-2021. Galway final 2 years ago. I know Mayo (and England) prove that's not a thing but it tips it in Galway's favour for me.
Tyrone lost ai final in 2018 Mayo lost in 2020 so by your logic is 2021 Mayo should have won as they have more recent final experience?
Did you read what I wrote?
yes your point totally contradicts itself.
Quote from: statto on July 19, 2024, 10:50:14 PMQuote from: ONeill on July 19, 2024, 10:43:07 PMQuote from: statto on July 19, 2024, 10:40:48 PMQuote from: ONeill on July 19, 2024, 10:29:22 PMNot much between the sides.
The thing that tips it for me is the been there, lost, got back again and win thing.
Happened Tyrone in 2018-2021. Galway final 2 years ago. I know Mayo (and England) prove that's not a thing but it tips it in Galway's favour for me.
Tyrone lost ai final in 2018 Mayo lost in 2020 so by your logic is 2021 Mayo should have won as they have more recent final experience?
Did you read what I wrote?
yes your point totally contradicts itself.
Explain, please.
I said, personally, it tips it in the balance for Galway. The experience of being in an AI Final. Not a science.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 19, 2024, 10:50:04 PMQuote from: ONeill on July 19, 2024, 10:44:29 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 19, 2024, 10:37:51 PMQuote from: ONeill on July 19, 2024, 10:29:22 PMNot much between the sides.
The thing that tips it for me is the been there, lost, got back again and win thing.
Happened Tyrone in 2018-2021. Galway final 2 years ago. I know Mayo (and England) prove that's not a thing but it tips it in Galway's favour for me.
Hopefully Galway follow in the neighbours footsteps;)
Think our hurt of not getting over the line in those tight games will drive us home in this one.
Either way the colour and craic around the county this week has been second to none and a pleasure to be apart of.
The colour and craic should be enjoyed.
I think an Armagh win, coupled with a change of sorts, will galvanise the Tyrone support but we've been damp for 24 months.
You's will be back unfortunately. Look how competitive yous were against Donegal the first day with a pile of kids playing. Canavan and Morgan are 2 of the best in the business at what they do.
As great as this run has been, I've git it in the back of my head that we'll draw Tyrone in the first round of Ulster and you's will be mad to get a cut at us and bring us back down to Earth. Hopefully we're sitting with Sam in the bag though.
And sure would you care?
There's no better feeling than being champions of Ireland on Christmas Day with a couple of gins in you.
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2024, 10:55:11 PMQuote from: statto on July 19, 2024, 10:50:14 PMQuote from: ONeill on July 19, 2024, 10:43:07 PMQuote from: statto on July 19, 2024, 10:40:48 PMQuote from: ONeill on July 19, 2024, 10:29:22 PMNot much between the sides.
The thing that tips it for me is the been there, lost, got back again and win thing.
Happened Tyrone in 2018-2021. Galway final 2 years ago. I know Mayo (and England) prove that's not a thing but it tips it in Galway's favour for me.
Tyrone lost ai final in 2018 Mayo lost in 2020 so by your logic is 2021 Mayo should have won as they have more recent final experience?
Did you read what I wrote?
yes your point totally contradicts itself.
Explain, please.
I said, personally, it tips it in the balance for Galway. The experience of being in an AI Final. Not a science.
your comparison with Tyrone being in previous finals even though the final they were in was three years previous while mayo had been beat the year before.your reference regarding Tyrone isn't really relevant to the point you seem to be trying to make, but I'd agree being there on the big day for the majority of Galway players will give them a bit of a leg up.
Good man. You got there in the end.
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2024, 10:59:16 PMGood man. You got there in the end.
you must have forgotten that mayo lost the 2020 final.
Any possibility you read I wrote Mayo prove it's not a science?
Mayo just lose finals. No point using them as a comparison to anyone. The Tyrone 2018 and Kerry 2019 final losses probably did stand to them when they got their wins.
no Connacht team has beaten an Ulster team in the final since 1943 and that wasn't Mayo or Galway.
Was anyone at it?
I think it was Donegal 2012 the last side to win without a final just before. It can be done.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 19, 2024, 11:18:43 PMno Connacht team has beaten an Ulster team in the final since 1943 and that wasn't Mayo or Galway.
Was anyone at it?
My father was at it as a child with his father. But not at the replay which we won.
His only memory was of the noise the crowd made.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 19, 2024, 11:18:43 PMno Connacht team has beaten an Ulster team in the final since 1943 and that wasn't Mayo or Galway.
Was anyone at it?
John Maher from Galway was at it was only a young cub at the time.
3 championship games in the last 3 years, 1 win, 1 draw, 1 X PK defeat, encouraging enough stats from an Armagh perspective but as always the stats don't tell the true story. I've always felt Galway have had our number in these games, they've always looked that wee bit better, but I think we've progressed, maybe more than them, so for a change I go into a game reasonably confident.
I do worry about Hurson's appointment, I do not understand the thinking behind it at all, a really unnecessary sideshow.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 20, 2024, 09:05:17 AM3 championship games in the last 3 years, 1 win, 1 draw, 1 X PK defeat, encouraging enough stats from an Armagh perspective but as always the stats don't tell the true story. I've always felt Galway have had our number in these games, they've always looked that wee bit better, but I think we've progressed, maybe more than them, so for a change I go into a game reasonably confident.
I do worry about Hurson's appointment, I do not understand the thinking behind it at all, an really unnecessary sideshow.
We've probably only played in patches across all of those games and still dug it out even though we could have been dead and buried. Thats bound to be in the back of Galways minds as well- no matter what we throw at these f**kers we can't seem to put them away.
2 things will likely decide this- who has got it in the legs in the last 10 and who has the impact off the bench. Think Galway are stronger than Kerry in those aspects but hopefully we're that bit better.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 20, 2024, 09:30:28 AMQuote from: bennydorano on July 20, 2024, 09:05:17 AM3 championship games in the last 3 years, 1 win, 1 draw, 1 X PK defeat, encouraging enough stats from an Armagh perspective but as always the stats don't tell the true story. I've always felt Galway have had our number in these games, they've always looked that wee bit better, but I think we've progressed, maybe more than them, so for a change I go into a game reasonably confident.
I do worry about Hurson's appointment, I do not understand the thinking behind it at all, an really unnecessary sideshow.
We've probably only played in patches across all of those games and still dug it out even though we could have been dead and buried. Thats bound to be in the back of Galways minds as well- no matter what we throw at these f**kers we can't seem to put them away.
2 things will likely decide this- who has got it in the legs in the last 10 and who has the impact off the bench. Think Galway are stronger than Kerry in those aspects but hopefully we're that bit better.
I don't buy that Galway had our number in any of those games. In Sligo, for me at least, they got some key decisions at the right time and still didn't win the match. I think a lot will come down to the fine margins, the referee, the bounce of the ball, that element of luck etc. Far too close to call for me.
Really want to see Armagh mix up its defensive strategy the way it did last week and get some pressure on the ball out the field at times and hopefully force turnovers
Quote from: David McKeown on July 20, 2024, 09:39:09 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 20, 2024, 09:30:28 AMQuote from: bennydorano on July 20, 2024, 09:05:17 AM3 championship games in the last 3 years, 1 win, 1 draw, 1 X PK defeat, encouraging enough stats from an Armagh perspective but as always the stats don't tell the true story. I've always felt Galway have had our number in these games, they've always looked that wee bit better, but I think we've progressed, maybe more than them, so for a change I go into a game reasonably confident.
I do worry about Hurson's appointment, I do not understand the thinking behind it at all, an really unnecessary sideshow.
We've probably only played in patches across all of those games and still dug it out even though we could have been dead and buried. Thats bound to be in the back of Galways minds as well- no matter what we throw at these f**kers we can't seem to put them away.
2 things will likely decide this- who has got it in the legs in the last 10 and who has the impact off the bench. Think Galway are stronger than Kerry in those aspects but hopefully we're that bit better.
I don't buy that Galway had our number in any of those games. In Sligo, for me at least, they got some key decisions at the right time and still didn't win the match. I think a lot will come down to the fine margins, the referee, the bounce of the ball, that element of luck etc. Far too close to call for me.
Really want to see Armagh mix up its defensive strategy the way it did last week and get some pressure on the ball out the field at times and hopefully force turnovers
Yeah we probably were as poor as we've been against them in that first half and still left a lot of handy scores behind. Having said that though Comer didn't play at all that day and Finnerty was very heavily strapped, you'd imagine both will be a lot closer to fully fit by next Sunday.
Similar set up to last week would be great as long as we cut out the basic errors because no doubt Galway will punish us.
Both teams won't fear each other which will make it pretty even on the day.
Who gets the tactical side of things right will gain the victory
Is McG a better manager than PJ?
Which team is fitter
Who has the better bench
Both are hungry
Who's more disciplined
Hard final to call
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 20, 2024, 11:41:33 AMBoth teams won't fear each other which will make it pretty even on the day.
Who gets the tactical side of things right will gain the victory
Is McG a better manager than PJ?
Which team is fitter
Who has the better bench
Both are hungry
Who's more disciplined
Hard final to call
I don't think Armagh will be found wanting in the fitness, strength of the bench or hunger departments anyway.
The Armagh folk pointing at Galway's poor performance vs Sligo have short memories. They were nearly turned over by Down themselves.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 20, 2024, 12:17:57 PMThe Armagh folk pointing at Galway's poor performance vs Sligo have short memories. They were nearly turned over by Down themselves.
I dpn't think either of these are that important, except to discussion threads. These teams have paced themselves to be effective at the the business end of the season, and stumbles along the way are not the point. In 2002, Armagh hardly managed to beat Sligo in a replay, but they picked up pace for Dublin and Kerry. Then, and now, Armagh were not great when they were expected to win.
However, if the Sligo game showed any limitations of Galway then I hope their manager shares this information with Armagh.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 20, 2024, 12:17:57 PMThe Armagh folk pointing at Galway's poor performance vs Sligo have short memories. They were nearly turned over by Down themselves.
I forgot they played Sligo. Very confusing season. Playing Armagh and Sligo both in Sligo.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 20, 2024, 12:17:57 PMThe Armagh folk pointing at Galway's poor performance vs Sligo have short memories. They were nearly turned over by Down themselves.
Down were never winning that game, they were v one dimensional
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 20, 2024, 12:17:57 PMThe Armagh folk pointing at Galway's poor performance vs Sligo have short memories. They were nearly turned over by Down themselves.
Think both teams have improved so much from then it's hardly relevant in either case. We weren't good at all that day but like Galway got the job done eventually.
We've both beat Derry well and ones beat Kerry and ones beat Dublin in close games.
Armagh are probably at their limit give or take, won a semi they could have lost by 9/10 points. Galway win a match at about 80% with plenty of room for improvement.
Galway by 6 / 7
Can't see the margin being that much but think Galway are better here by 3 or 4 and it will take something special for Armagh to win it. I hope they do but Galway are a very good outfit with good forwards and are hard to breakdown. Won't be easy beat.
This game will go to a replay
Armagh to win the replay on penalties
Karma.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 21, 2024, 08:44:59 PMArmagh are probably at their limit give or take, won a semi they could have lost by 9/10 points. Galway win a match at about 80% with plenty of room for improvement.
Galway by 6 / 7
Galway's qualities are evident. However, it isn't really the case that Armagh played flat out the last days, a number of their players were quiet enough and are capable of better, their shooting was quite a bit better in the Ulster final, despite a tight defence. It is not the case that Armagh were flat out and can never reach that pace again, this time other players may shine while some do not thrive, and likewise with Galway. There was little in recent games with Galway and the same seems likely again.
Yeah, other players may shine while some do not thrive.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 21, 2024, 08:44:59 PMArmagh are probably at their limit give or take, won a semi they could have lost by 9/10 points. Galway win a match at about 80% with plenty of room for improvement.
Galway by 6 / 7
Willing to put 10 grand on it being less than that.
I think it be quite tight, haven't made my mind up who win yet. Though I though Galway were below par. for 45mins of the semi.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 21, 2024, 08:44:59 PMArmagh are probably at their limit give or take, won a semi they could have lost by 9/10 points. Galway win a match at about 80% with plenty of room for improvement.
Galway by 6 / 7
Interesting take given that the three meetings over last two years have been so tight.Personally think Galway at full capacity are slightly better side, however, with the question marks over Walsh, Comer and Kelly fitness it could be argued that you would rather be in McGeeney position at the minute where he knows who can give him 70 minutes and the injuries he has being long term.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 21, 2024, 10:52:04 PMQuote from: JoG2 on July 21, 2024, 08:44:59 PMArmagh are probably at their limit give or take, won a semi they could have lost by 9/10 points. Galway win a match at about 80% with plenty of room for improvement.
Galway by 6 / 7
Galway's qualities are evident. However, it isn't really the case that Armagh played flat out the last days, a number of their players were quiet enough and are capable of better, their shooting was quite a bit better in the Ulster final, despite a tight defence. It is not the case that Armagh were flat out and can never reach that pace again, this time other players may shine while some do not thrive, and likewise with Galway. There was little in recent games with Galway and the same seems likely again.
Armagh poor enough first half against Kerry and superb second half so I would agree they have improving to do (and should improve).
Quote from: JoG2 on July 21, 2024, 08:44:59 PMArmagh are probably at their limit give or take, won a semi they could have lost by 9/10 points. Galway win a match at about 80% with plenty of room for improvement.
Galway by 6 / 7
I have Galway as warm favourites.
Armagh were poor at times in the semi final, there were one or two passengers who didn't have a great game so I still think Armagh have a bit more in them. If they're able to bring the work-rate which won them the semi while everyone being on their game (easier said than done) then they've every chance.
Ah I think you have to have Galway as favourites. In at least 2 of our last 3 meetings they had long periods of looking the better side. Long periods of getting easy scores and looking comfortable. That said though, there is a frailty with them and they can really get the jitters.
If they've cleared up the niggles for the main men then they will really fancy their chances.
I know they haven't conceded many goals this year, similar to Armagh. I really think either team rattling the net will have a major impact on this game.
In the three previous meetings between the sides, I had the feeling that Armagh were just about hanging in there. In 2022, and in Sligo a few weeks ago, the general feeling was that Galway were the better side and it took a smash and grab in both games to bring Armagh back into it. Galway also have the experience of playing in an All Ireland Final two years ago, so this will also stand to them. However, my hope is that the previous three meetings will have no relevance to next Sunday, finals usually take on a life of their own and anything can happen. I do think this is as close to a 50/50 game as there is, and whoever has the leaders to stand up and grab the game by the neck will likely win.
Neither Walsh or Comer looked fit in the semi-final, as to how they've progressed in the two weeks since will be crucial for Galway.
I expect both teams to bring blood and thunder to this, it has the potential to be a manic final and smart money could be on another day out.
How is the ticket hunt going in Armagh?
I have ot 55:45 in favour of Galway. They have been better in the last couple meetings but that said, havent been able to beat us - I am not counting penalties as they wont happen this Sunday.
Quote from: bogball88 on July 22, 2024, 09:55:02 AMHow is the ticket hunt going in Armagh?
The knives are out
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 22, 2024, 09:57:28 AMI have ot 55:45 in favour of Galway. They have been better in the last couple meetings but that said, havent been able to beat us - I am not counting penalties as they wont happen this Sunday.
Have they been better? It's a complete coin toss for me. Whoever gets the luck should that be in the form of a bounce of a ball or a refereeing decision will win the match.
Opportunism at its finest!
https://x.com/portadownlol1/status/1815315082655510780?s=46&t=-RtN7OejGwUG18OE0ELvdA
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on July 22, 2024, 12:11:07 PMOpportunism at its finest!
https://x.com/portadownlol1/status/1815315082655510780?s=46&t=-RtN7OejGwUG18OE0ELvdA
seen this. Chancers
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 22, 2024, 12:32:42 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on July 22, 2024, 12:11:07 PMOpportunism at its finest!
https://x.com/portadownlol1/status/1815315082655510780?s=46&t=-RtN7OejGwUG18OE0ELvdA
seen this. Chancers
That is hilarious, published as a screenshot of a note on a phone, they really play up to their lol branding
So heavily scunnered its delicious
Quote from: tiempo on July 22, 2024, 12:39:56 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on July 22, 2024, 12:32:42 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on July 22, 2024, 12:11:07 PMOpportunism at its finest!
https://x.com/portadownlol1/status/1815315082655510780?s=46&t=-RtN7OejGwUG18OE0ELvdA
seen this. Chancers
That is hilarious, published as a screenshot of a note on a phone, they really play up to their lol branding
So heavily scunnered its delicious
its on their facebook also. Could have at least wished us well in the final
Thought so myself although I see they've been turned down. I think a goal will win this game. Both teams have excellent forwards and I'm hoping Armagh's perform. Galway are the more experienced and very good at not giving away possession. Armagh by 2.
Rumours has it that if Armagh secures the victory, they intend to annex the unsuspecting village of the Moy from County Tyrone.
Quote from: ShutterinbyDayGAAbyNight on July 23, 2024, 10:31:41 AMRumours has it that if Armagh secures the victory, they intend to annex the unsuspecting village of the Moy from County Tyrone.
And Newry, and Glen, and Tullylish, etc etc
Quote from: ShutterinbyDayGAAbyNight on July 23, 2024, 10:31:41 AMRumours has it that if Armagh secures the victory, they intend to annex the unsuspecting village of the Moy from County Tyrone.
We will reluctantly agree to that if you also include taking Sean Cavanagh in that deal.
Quote from: ShutterinbyDayGAAbyNight on July 23, 2024, 10:31:41 AMRumours has it that if Armagh secures the victory, they intend to annex the unsuspecting village of the Moy from County Tyrone.
This should be in the "What if Galway don't win" thread LOL
Quote from: Orior on July 23, 2024, 10:33:49 AMQuote from: ShutterinbyDayGAAbyNight on July 23, 2024, 10:31:41 AMRumours has it that if Armagh secures the victory, they intend to annex the unsuspecting village of the Moy from County Tyrone.
And Newry, and Glen, and Tullylish, etc etc
In GAA terms it would be more useful to annex the Moy than Newry.
Quote from: ShutterinbyDayGAAbyNight on July 23, 2024, 10:31:41 AMRumours has it that if Armagh secures the victory, they intend to annex the unsuspecting village of the Moy from County Tyrone.
No thanks!
Quote from: Orior on July 23, 2024, 10:33:49 AMQuote from: ShutterinbyDayGAAbyNight on July 23, 2024, 10:31:41 AMRumours has it that if Armagh secures the victory, they intend to annex the unsuspecting village of the Moy from County Tyrone.
And Newry, and Glen, and Tullylish, etc etc
Aghagallon the only one worth looking at
Quote from: ShutterinbyDayGAAbyNight on July 23, 2024, 10:31:41 AMRumours has it that if Armagh secures the victory, they intend to annex the unsuspecting village of the Moy from County Tyrone.
Honestly driving through it at the minute you'd think that has already happened. Orange and white everywhere.
If Armagh win, they'll have won the All-Ireland without any of their players having played in an All-Ireland semi-final prior to the All-Ireland winning year.
When's the last time this has happened?
Quote from: blanketattack on July 23, 2024, 11:39:18 PMIf Armagh win, they'll have won the All-Ireland without any of their players having played in an All-Ireland semi-final prior to the All-Ireland winning year.
When's the last time this has happened?
The Kerry youngsters of 1975?
How many of Down's 91 team played in 81?
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 23, 2024, 11:52:44 PMQuote from: blanketattack on July 23, 2024, 11:39:18 PMIf Armagh win, they'll have won the All-Ireland without any of their players having played in an All-Ireland semi-final prior to the All-Ireland winning year.
When's the last time this has happened?
The Kerry youngsters of 1975?
How many of Down's 91 team played in 81?
Donegal 1992 was 9 years... Struggling to find a team in the last 50 years
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 23, 2024, 11:56:44 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on July 23, 2024, 11:52:44 PMQuote from: blanketattack on July 23, 2024, 11:39:18 PMIf Armagh win, they'll have won the All-Ireland without any of their players having played in an All-Ireland semi-final prior to the All-Ireland winning year.
When's the last time this has happened?
The Kerry youngsters of 1975?
How many of Down's 91 team played in 81?
Donegal 1992 was 9 years... Struggling to find a team in the last 50 years
Donegal won Ulster in 1990
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 23, 2024, 11:56:44 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on July 23, 2024, 11:52:44 PMQuote from: blanketattack on July 23, 2024, 11:39:18 PMIf Armagh win, they'll have won the All-Ireland without any of their players having played in an All-Ireland semi-final prior to the All-Ireland winning year.
When's the last time this has happened?
The Kerry youngsters of 1975?
How many of Down's 91 team played in 81?
Donegal 1992 was 9 years... Struggling to find a team in the last 50 years
3 of the Kerry 75 team had played in the 72 semifinal.
For Down 1991, Greg Blaney played in 1981 semifinal.
Would expect from an Armagh point of view that some of the lads who underperformed the last day Conaty/McGrane will have enough credit in the bank to get another start at the weekend.
Ciaran Higgins came in last year left field for the Galway game last year so he could potentially be added to the panel, probably the most physically capable of our defenders for Comer who Galway will be expecting more from.
Would imagine match ups will be Burns on Finnerty, McCambridge on Walsh, McKay on Comer. If McGrane is shifted to wing back is he going to have the physicality for a Tierney or McDaid? McCabe hasn't got much football but could be a suitable alternative here, but Mackin/O'Neill are significant losses in this area as Tierney and McDaid are better operators than Moynihan and Brosnan and more physically imposing. If Tierney and McDaid have big games and even one of the inside men show up it will make things very difficult for Armagh. Think Forker will go to 6 and pickup Maher and Kelly will go wing back on either Tierney or McDaid.
Quote from: statto on July 24, 2024, 10:19:26 AMWould expect from an Armagh point of view that some of the lads who underperformed the last day Conaty/McGrane will have enough credit in the bank to get another start at the weekend.
Ciaran Higgins came in last year left field for the Galway game last year so he could potentially be added to the panel, probably the most physically capable of our defenders for Comer who Galway will be expecting more from.
Would imagine match ups will be Burns on Finnerty, McCambridge on Walsh, McKay on Comer. If McGrane is shifted to wing back is he going to have the physicality for a Tierney or McDaid? McCabe hasn't got much football but could be a suitable alternative here, but Mackin/O'Neill are significant losses in this area as Tierney and McDaid are better operators than Moynihan and Brosnan and more physically imposing. If Tierney and McDaid have big games and even one of the inside men show up it will make things very difficult for Armagh. Think Forker will go to 6 and pickup Maher and Kelly will go wing back on either Tierney or McDaid.
For large parts of the semi we didnt seem to specifically mark Seanie O'Shea until he got into certain areas and I suspect we may treat Walsh similarly. I think McCambridge will be on Comer, with the same task as against Clifford.
Quote from: lurganblue on July 24, 2024, 10:48:27 AMQuote from: statto on July 24, 2024, 10:19:26 AMWould expect from an Armagh point of view that some of the lads who underperformed the last day Conaty/McGrane will have enough credit in the bank to get another start at the weekend.
Ciaran Higgins came in last year left field for the Galway game last year so he could potentially be added to the panel, probably the most physically capable of our defenders for Comer who Galway will be expecting more from.
Would imagine match ups will be Burns on Finnerty, McCambridge on Walsh, McKay on Comer. If McGrane is shifted to wing back is he going to have the physicality for a Tierney or McDaid? McCabe hasn't got much football but could be a suitable alternative here, but Mackin/O'Neill are significant losses in this area as Tierney and McDaid are better operators than Moynihan and Brosnan and more physically imposing. If Tierney and McDaid have big games and even one of the inside men show up it will make things very difficult for Armagh. Think Forker will go to 6 and pickup Maher and Kelly will go wing back on either Tierney or McDaid.
For large parts of the semi we didnt seem to specifically mark Seanie O'Shea until he got into certain areas and I suspect we may treat Walsh similarly. I think McCambridge will be on Comer, with the same task as against Clifford.
I would think that would be a dangerous move on Walsh. He has previously shot the lights out in AI final and don't want to let him get up a head of steam. O'Shea was Kerrys most prominent forward when they were going well up to around 45 minutes so not really sure that worked for us the last day.
Yeah Walsh is a better player than O'Shea so it would be madness imo to not tag him no matter where he goes. Type of player that will do serious damage if he gets a head of steam up early on.
Someone mentioned McDaid earlier - he goes under the radar a wee bit in how influential he is for Galway. Brilliant player.
Oh I agree and I just couldn't believe what we were doing with O'Shea during their periods of dominance in particular. Walsh is of course well capable of doing serious damage.
In all the matches I have watched this year including Galway/Dublin and Armagh/Kerry there have been ebbs and flows you could argue that Dublin should have beaten Galway and Kerry certainly had chances aplenty against Armagh. The Team that makes the most of the chances when they come has been the team that won out. If Armagh give Galway the sort of start they did in Sligo they will find it tougher to get back into the game than the Semi-final. Armagh have surprised me all year with their resilience and I can see them beating Galway by 1 or 2. But I can also see Galway beating Armagh by 4 or 5. I'll live in hope though inspired by Clare's desire at the weekend. Are Mhacha Abu !
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 24, 2024, 12:37:51 PMIn all the matches I have watched this year including Galway/Dublin and Armagh/Kerry there have been ebbs and flows you could argue that Dublin should have beaten Galway and Kerry certainly had chances aplenty against Armagh. The Team that makes the most of the chances when they come has been the team that won out. If Armagh give Galway the sort of start they did in Sligo they will find it tougher to get back into the game than the Semi-final. Armagh have surprised me all year with their resilience and I can see them beating Galway by 1 or 2. But I can also see Galway beating Armagh by 4 or 5. I'll live in hope though inspired by Clare's desire at the weekend. Are Mhacha Abu !
I think the present situation of Galway being slight favourites suits Armagh well enough, they battle well when up against it. They have caught Galway in all our games against them, so will not give up, but we need to start better than we have done in the last couple of games.
Gleeson will be feeling the pressure this week. His mistakes have let Armagh back into 2 of the matches when it looked like Galway were cruising. Armagh will surely have to go after his kickouts from the get go and launch a few high balls in too.
Quote from: square_ball on July 24, 2024, 01:59:45 PMGleeson will be feeling the pressure this week. His mistakes have let Armagh back into 2 of the matches when it looked like Galway were cruising. Armagh will surely have to go after his kickouts from the get go and launch a few high balls in too.
Thing is though - Armagh are more likely to concede the kickout & only really press it if they are losing in the second half. Gleeson will gladly go long if Armagh put on a big press.
Think Armagh will be happy enough to concede it and force us to try and break them down.
Quote from: square_ball on July 24, 2024, 01:59:45 PMGleeson will be feeling the pressure this week. His mistakes have let Armagh back into 2 of the matches when it looked like Galway were cruising. Armagh will surely have to go after his kickouts from the get go and launch a few high balls in too.
Mayo,Monaghan,Donegal and Dublin would all have done their homework on Gleeson and looked to have forced mistakes out of him but he came through all of those games playing a important role in the wins for Galway. Any mistakes against Armagh again would tell me they are his bogey side.
Would expect a tight game with the bookies getting it right and Galway by the minimum.
One thing with Galway - Walsh, Comer and Kelly all injured or carrying knocks so not at full speed.
Galway seemed to have played better when they are not flying - is it because they are the focus of the attack when fully fit and the supporting cast dont play as much of a role?
Or is the supporting role players better when they dont have to play through the main players?
Side note - I dont think I have seen a big GAA game as short a price for a draw.
These two teams in the final give a lot of other teams additional motivation for next year. With our forward line I would fancy beating either of these teams
It's probably only now I'm starting to properly consider the repercussions of Armagh winning Sam again, and it's very realistic. Would be some achievement, I don't want to say now or never but it's definitely time to strike when the iron's hot, a final without Kerry / Dublin is an unbelievable opportunity for both parties any time it happens, we were in the same boat in 2021 and that Tyrone team were never going to do it if not that day, I think most of us would admit it too. Some chance for the Orchard, I'd give them every shot but think the bookies do have it right at the minute, Galway by a tiny margin in terms of expectancy but Armagh well in it if things go well.
Doesn't seem to be many in the media so far or neutrals tipping us. Maybe no bad thing.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 23, 2024, 11:39:18 PMIf Armagh win, they'll have won the All-Ireland without any of their players having played in an All-Ireland semi-final prior to the All-Ireland winning year.
When's the last time this has happened?
Galway in 98
Derry in 93
Ahhhh Seaf.... the dead arose...
Woukd some of the Galways 1998 have played a Semi in 95?
McNicholl was there 100 years... won Ulster in '87
Quote from: Truthsayer on July 24, 2024, 07:37:41 PMMcNicholl was there 100 years... won Ulster in '87
Yeah Tony Scullion and Brian McGilligan would have been there in 87 too. And Enda Gormley . Barton possibly as well.
Anyone recommend a good bar in Dublin for the game, I'm Dublin based and not mission of getting a ticket but more than happy to get stuck in with anyone else from Armagh in a good pub with a big screen.
Quote from: seafoid on July 24, 2024, 07:30:12 PMQuote from: blanketattack on July 23, 2024, 11:39:18 PMIf Armagh win, they'll have won the All-Ireland without any of their players having played in an All-Ireland semi-final prior to the All-Ireland winning year.
When's the last time this has happened?
Galway in 98
Derry in 93
Galway in 1998 had Gary Fahey,Ray Silke,Sean OG de Paor.Tomas,Mannion,Kevin Walsh,Ja Fallon and Niall Finnegan who started in the 1995 All Ireland semi final.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 24, 2024, 08:17:53 PMQuote from: seafoid on July 24, 2024, 07:30:12 PMQuote from: blanketattack on July 23, 2024, 11:39:18 PMIf Armagh win, they'll have won the All-Ireland without any of their players having played in an All-Ireland semi-final prior to the All-Ireland winning year.
When's the last time this has happened?
Galway in 98
Derry in 93
Galway in 1998 had Gary Fahey,Ray Silke,Sean OG de Paor.Tomas,Mannion,Kevin Walsh,Ja Fallon and Niall Finnegan who started in the 1995 All Ireland semi final.
Well spotted
Derry had a number from 87 when they played Meath. Not sure exactly who but suspect mcgilligan, mcgurk, maybe mccusker in nets, scullion, gormley at least and maybe a few subs.
This game is hard to call. Both teams are very experienced and are ready to win it. I think it will come down to which team has the better quality. Armagh have Rian O' Neill. Galway have walsh and comer . Galway have slightly more quality in their team so for this reason I think they will edge it but I hope I am wrong.
Hoping our bench, our support, our hurt from so many heartbreakers and our conditioning can give us that extra something to get us over the line.
Would not begrudge that Galway side an All Ireland though, plenty of decent skins from Galway in their support, some fabulous footballers all across the pitch and Joyce is a proper GAA legend.
Hoping for a cracker of a game but realistically it'll be cagey for 50-60 minutes at least, hope we can bring the chaos that we thrive in and get Sam up the road.
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Armagh by 2
Its a tough game to call.
I've said all year I didnt think Armagh have the individual players who are good enough to challenge, however, they've really pulled it together and they are putting in very strong team performances. The fitness and conditioning levels are off the charts and they've finally won a close game. There's still a question mark around how good Kerry really are though and also on how the players will cope with the pressure of an AIF - I do think there is a risk they could collapse under it. But, equally they may well push on now that they've got that close game monkey off their back. The hunger will be there, but can that hunger can be managed into a performance in an AIF is the question.
Galway on the other hand, imo have the better players. Have experience of winning provincials and have been in a recent AIF. They have some of the best players in the country in Shane Walsh, Comer, Finnerty and Kelly. The half back line is very strong. But, they haven't had a fully fit team all year and I think they will need the everyone available to win. They will not have stage fright given the recent AIF experience, and the hunger to win after losing a final will be off the chart.
MgGeeney v Joyce - Joyce perhaps will be better at adapting tactics in-game, whereas MgGenney more likely to stick with the same tactics and rely on the bench. Nothing much between them.
I'm going to give a tentative nod to Galway by 1/2 pts just because I think they have better players. But it would be great to see Sam come north of the border again and I wouldn't bet against Armagh.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 24, 2024, 08:17:53 PMQuote from: seafoid on July 24, 2024, 07:30:12 PMQuote from: blanketattack on July 23, 2024, 11:39:18 PMIf Armagh win, they'll have won the All-Ireland without any of their players having played in an All-Ireland semi-final prior to the All-Ireland winning year.
When's the last time this has happened?
Galway in 98
Derry in 93
Galway in 1998 had Gary Fahey,Ray Silke,Sean OG de Paor.Tomas,Mannion,Kevin Walsh,Ja Fallon and Niall Finnegan who started in the 1995 All Ireland semi final.
Being pedantic, Mannion missed the '95 semi-final through injury and his absence perhaps prevented us from getting over the line in a tight match with Tyrone.
Cahair O'Kanes article on the Irish News website about GAA in Lurgan/Portadown is worth 10 minutes of anyones time.
Also Peter Canavan's podcast interview with McGeeney on the RTE GAA pod is a good listen.
Can't decide who is going to win this, struggling with the match ups and tactically who's got the upper hand..
Could be very low scoring or high scoring, the average of 1-16 would be what I'd be hoping for as that would be an entertaining enough game for the neutral..
Would Armagh ones be happy with a score line of 1-16? Would that be enough?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 25, 2024, 03:59:06 PMCan't decide who is going to win this, struggling with the match ups and tactically who's got the upper hand..
Could be very low scoring or high scoring, the average of 1-16 would be what I'd be hoping for as that would be an entertaining enough game for the neutral..
Would Armagh ones be happy with a score line of 1-16? Would that be enough?
Think that would be a draw.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 25, 2024, 03:59:06 PMCan't decide who is going to win this, struggling with the match ups and tactically who's got the upper hand..
Could be very low scoring or high scoring, the average of 1-16 would be what I'd be hoping for as that would be an entertaining enough game for the neutral..
Would Armagh ones be happy with a score line of 1-16? Would that be enough?
Mayo, Dublin or Donegal did not score 1-16 against Galway. It would probably be enough.
If Armagh score a goal and Galway do not, then they might get over the line.
Milltown decides the winner😮
What power that man has....
This could go either way in my humble opinion but I'm leaning towards Galway but without much conviction.
Being in the Final in 22 and relative lack of hype might have them more relaxed on the day.
Then again a pumped up team might be more ready for the occasion.
Will probably come down to who gets more things right on the day, less errors etc.
Great not to have Dublin or Kerry (or Tyrone and Mayowestros) in it.
Gives a load of Countues more hope for 2025.
Should be a good close tussle and hope the Armagh abd Galway GAAboarders all got tickets and enjoy the day.
Extra time and replay anyone?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2024, 04:17:56 PMExtra time and replay anyone?
Extra time and Armagh win on penlties in the replay would be the ultimate redemption.
Listening to the RTE pod and Fitzmaurice/Canavan discussed the merits of Soupy Campbell starting the game. They said that Armagh still have a number of "impact" players such as Duffy, McQuillan, Nugent, Oisin O'Neill etc and that may be worth going with him from the off. Interesting take, which would probably result in McElroy dropping to wing back and McGrane missing out. I personally think that makes Armagh stronger and would be more comfortable with McElroy in a physical battle than McGrane(who has had a good breakthrough year)against the Galway wing forwards.
Quote from: statto on July 25, 2024, 04:47:44 PMListening to the RTE pod and Fitzmaurice/Canavan discussed the merits of Soupy Campbell starting the game. They said that Armagh still have a number of "impact" players such as Duffy, McQuillan, Nugent, Oisin O'Neill etc and that may be worth going with him from the off. Interesting take, which would probably result in McElroy dropping to wing back and McGrane missing out. I personally think that makes Armagh stronger and would be more comfortable with McElroy in a physical battle than McGrane(who has had a good breakthrough year)against the Galway wing forwards.
If Campbell starts Galway defence is likely more capable to deal with him and I would argue Campbell may even be worn out earlier. In addition to this, Galway will be tight and there won't be much space for Campbell to run into. At least in the second half the Galway players will be a little more worn down and more space available so he is effective.
If Campbell starts armagh make the same mistake Dublin did by starting McCaffrey. These two are probably the best example of subs impacting a game you could find and I honestly think starting them a mistake and Dublin would be in the final if they'd not started McCaffrey and had him as an impact sub...
Quote from: Solo_run on July 25, 2024, 05:12:07 PMQuote from: statto on July 25, 2024, 04:47:44 PMListening to the RTE pod and Fitzmaurice/Canavan discussed the merits of Soupy Campbell starting the game. They said that Armagh still have a number of "impact" players such as Duffy, McQuillan, Nugent, Oisin O'Neill etc and that may be worth going with him from the off. Interesting take, which would probably result in McElroy dropping to wing back and McGrane missing out. I personally think that makes Armagh stronger and would be more comfortable with McElroy in a physical battle than McGrane(who has had a good breakthrough year)against the Galway wing forwards.
If Campbell starts Galway defence is likely more capable to deal with him and I would argue Campbell may even be worn out earlier. In addition to this, Galway will be tight and there won't be much space for Campbell to run into. At least in the second half the Galway players will be a little more worn down and more space available so he is effective.
It's a conundrum. Soupy could easily start and if Armagh want to hit the ground running it would be a no-brainer. If they want to finish with their strongest team, then introducing him at or shortly after halftime would probably be the better bet.
I think Armagh's biggest asset is how strongly they finish and if they change that it's a mistake...
I would argue that Stefan would be the best equipped to break a tackle and go past his man therefore opening it up, it's a myth that he can't last games or not fit enough. He played the second half and all of extra time against Kerry, i'm not doubting that he is a great man to bring on from the bench but maybe he can do it from the start too. He's experienced enough to know himself what to do on the pitch at the right times so I don't think there'll be too many eyebrows raised should be start
Quote from: armaghniac on July 25, 2024, 04:13:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 25, 2024, 03:59:06 PMCan't decide who is going to win this, struggling with the match ups and tactically who's got the upper hand..
Could be very low scoring or high scoring, the average of 1-16 would be what I'd be hoping for as that would be an entertaining enough game for the neutral..
Would Armagh ones be happy with a score line of 1-16? Would that be enough?
Mayo, Dublin or Donegal did not score 1-16 against Galway. It would probably be enough.
If Armagh score a goal and Galway do not, then they might get over the line.
0-16 v Dublin has been the biggest score Galway have conceded in this years championship. Team with the best defence nearly always wins the All Ireland and not a lot between Galway and Armagh on what they have conceded per game average.
Quote from: illdecide on July 25, 2024, 05:42:07 PMI would argue that Stefan would be the best equipped to break a tackle and go past his man therefore opening it up, it's a myth that he can't last games or not fit enough. He played the second half and all of extra time against Kerry, i'm not doubting that he is a great man to bring on from the bench but maybe he can do it from the start too. He's experienced enough to know himself what to do on the pitch at the right times so I don't think there'll be too many eyebrows raised should be start
Boylesports have a bet on a number of points or more scored by Armagh subs. Not hard to see two or three points from subs. You could nearly guarantee that Stefan would score two and Oisin O'Neill one.
Armagh probably have their best team on the field when we introduce Campbell, O'Neill, Duffy, McQuillan and Burns, however that's the best team with 20 mins to go, not from the start imo. Game finishers are important and have been crucial for Armagh this year. I'd be reluctant to start Stefan Campbell, as from what we've seen of him so far, he seems to run out of steam later in the game. 20 mins to go, he can win the game for Armagh at a time it begins to open up. I think he'd be running into dead ends if on from the start. Whilst Stefan is great to break lines and drive forward, a well marshalled and fresh Galway defence won't be giving much away early on. Then again, he is not the only option coming off the bench, so a big decision for KMcG to make ahead of Sunday.
Galway have conceded 1 goal but it was scored by Amagh while they have conceded 3.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 25, 2024, 05:56:44 PMQuote from: illdecide on July 25, 2024, 05:42:07 PMI would argue that Stefan would be the best equipped to break a tackle and go past his man therefore opening it up, it's a myth that he can't last games or not fit enough. He played the second half and all of extra time against Kerry, i'm not doubting that he is a great man to bring on from the bench but maybe he can do it from the start too. He's experienced enough to know himself what to do on the pitch at the right times so I don't think there'll be too many eyebrows raised should be start
Boylesports have a bet on a number of points or more scored by Armagh subs. Not hard to see two or three points from subs. You could nearly guarantee that Stefan would score two and Oisin O'Neill one.
Paddy Power had the same for Tyrone in 2021 I know a lot of people were on it to a heavy enough tune.
Over 1.5 pts by Tyrone sub bench at Even money
Was the same year McShane and Darragh Canavan were kicking a right bit off the bench, they got 1-1 between them and it was enough to get paid out
Strength of any team nowadays is probably how strong they are on the bench and Armagh are as strong as ever in that regard with Stefan Campbell, Oisin O'Neill, Ross McQuillan,Jason Duffy, Jarly Óg Burns etc to call on.
Galway have been the best team Armagh have faced this year and they aren't too shabby on bench options either. Wouldn't be any surprise if extra time will be required to separate the two on Sunday.
Quote from: square_ball on July 25, 2024, 04:24:20 PMQuote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2024, 04:17:56 PMExtra time and replay anyone?
Extra time and Armagh win on penlties in the replay would be the ultimate redemption.
Wouldn't be much good everyone in Armagh will have had heart failure
One change for Armagh with Connaire Mackin coming in for Peter McGrane.
Armagh: Blaine Hughes; Paddy Burns, Aaron McKay, Barry McCambridge; Connaire Mackin, Tiernan Kelly, Aidan Forker; Niall Grimley, Ben Crealey; Joe McElroy, Rian O'Neill, OisínConaty; Rory Gurgan, Andrew Murnin, Conor Turbitt
Subs: Ethan Rafferty, Greg McCabe, Peter McGrane, Ciaran Higgins, Ross McQuillan, Shane McPartlan, Jason Duffy, Oisín O'Neill, Stefan Campbell, Aidan Nugent, Jarly Og Burns
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 25, 2024, 11:03:01 PMOne change for Armagh with Connaire Mackin coming in for Peter McGrane.
Armagh: Blaine Hughes; Paddy Burns, Aaron McKay, Barry McCambridge; Connaire Mackin, Tiernan Kelly, Aidan Forker; Niall Grimley, Ben Crealey; Joe McElroy, Rian O'Neill, OisínConaty; Rory Gurgan, Andrew Murnin, Conor Turbitt
Subs: Ethan Rafferty, Greg McCabe, Peter McGrane, Ciaran Higgins, Ross McQuillan, Shane McPartlan, Jason Duffy, Oisín O'Neill, Stefan Campbell, Aidan Nugent, Jarly Og Burns
Add a bit of height.
Not surprised to see Mackin in. Armagh were very keen to overturn the suspension that kept him out of the last meeting.
Starting to get real now.
Delighted to see that team named. I was dreading a few changes in a scenario where we're trying to outfox an opposition manager, that has failed miserably in the past. Its a no-brainer for me to finish with a stronger team than starting with it, there is always the danger it goes wrong and the game gets away from us, but we're playing the percentages and it makes perfect sense imo.
Agreed. The final is no place to start experimenting.
Galway team named. Same team that was named vs Donegal.
We will have to wait and see if Sean Kelly actually lines out.
Either way we will have 14 of the 15 starters from the Armagh game in Sligo.
Comer the new man in for either Kelly or Cein D'arcy.
Harsh dropping Peter McGrane? Then again changes could be made before Sunday.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 26, 2024, 11:01:57 AMHarsh dropping Peter McGrane? Then again changes could be made before Sunday.
Taller man brought in, reflecting the relatively physical approach of Galway.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 26, 2024, 11:16:43 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on July 26, 2024, 11:01:57 AMHarsh dropping Peter McGrane? Then again changes could be made before Sunday.
Taller man brought in, reflecting the relatively physical approach of Galway.
It's the logical call, Galways wing forwards caused a serious threat, particularly from kickouts v Donegal.
Very harsh on McGrane, and it reminds me of Mickey Harte dropping Ciaran Gourley (I think) to bring in the 2 brothers, Joe and Justin McMahon to the Tyrone full back line to combat Tommy Walsh and Kieran Donaghy.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 25, 2024, 11:05:37 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 25, 2024, 11:03:01 PMOne change for Armagh with Connaire Mackin coming in for Peter McGrane.
Armagh: Blaine Hughes; Paddy Burns, Aaron McKay, Barry McCambridge; Connaire Mackin, Tiernan Kelly, Aidan Forker; Niall Grimley, Ben Crealey; Joe McElroy, Rian O'Neill, OisínConaty; Rory Gurgan, Andrew Murnin, Conor Turbitt
Subs: Ethan Rafferty, Greg McCabe, Peter McGrane, Ciaran Higgins, Ross McQuillan, Shane McPartlan, Jason Duffy, Oisín O'Neill, Stefan Campbell, Aidan Nugent, Jarly Og Burns
Add a bit of height.
Only Connaire Mackin 2nd championship start this year? and the first Peter McGrane won't start.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 26, 2024, 03:33:15 PMQuote from: armaghniac on July 25, 2024, 11:05:37 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 25, 2024, 11:03:01 PMOne change for Armagh with Connaire Mackin coming in for Peter McGrane.
Armagh: Blaine Hughes; Paddy Burns, Aaron McKay, Barry McCambridge; Connaire Mackin, Tiernan Kelly, Aidan Forker; Niall Grimley, Ben Crealey; Joe McElroy, Rian O'Neill, OisínConaty; Rory Gurgan, Andrew Murnin, Conor Turbitt
Subs: Ethan Rafferty, Greg McCabe, Peter McGrane, Ciaran Higgins, Ross McQuillan, Shane McPartlan, Jason Duffy, Oisín O'Neill, Stefan Campbell, Aidan Nugent, Jarly Og Burns
Add a bit of height.
Omly Connaire Mackin 2nd championship start this year? and the first Peter McGrane won't start.
Good call imo although harsh on McGrane.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 26, 2024, 04:23:11 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 26, 2024, 03:33:15 PMQuote from: armaghniac on July 25, 2024, 11:05:37 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 25, 2024, 11:03:01 PMOne change for Armagh with Connaire Mackin coming in for Peter McGrane.
Armagh: Blaine Hughes; Paddy Burns, Aaron McKay, Barry McCambridge; Connaire Mackin, Tiernan Kelly, Aidan Forker; Niall Grimley, Ben Crealey; Joe McElroy, Rian O'Neill, OisínConaty; Rory Gurgan, Andrew Murnin, Conor Turbitt
Subs: Ethan Rafferty, Greg McCabe, Peter McGrane, Ciaran Higgins, Ross McQuillan, Shane McPartlan, Jason Duffy, Oisín O'Neill, Stefan Campbell, Aidan Nugent, Jarly Og Burns
Add a bit of height.
Omly Connaire Mackin 2nd championship start this year? and the first Peter McGrane won't start.
Good call imo although harsh on McGrane.
McGrane is a faster player, perhaps he will have a role towards the end when this may be more fluid.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 26, 2024, 05:00:50 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 26, 2024, 04:23:11 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 26, 2024, 03:33:15 PMQuote from: armaghniac on July 25, 2024, 11:05:37 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 25, 2024, 11:03:01 PMOne change for Armagh with Connaire Mackin coming in for Peter McGrane.
Armagh: Blaine Hughes; Paddy Burns, Aaron McKay, Barry McCambridge; Connaire Mackin, Tiernan Kelly, Aidan Forker; Niall Grimley, Ben Crealey; Joe McElroy, Rian O'Neill, OisínConaty; Rory Gurgan, Andrew Murnin, Conor Turbitt
Subs: Ethan Rafferty, Greg McCabe, Peter McGrane, Ciaran Higgins, Ross McQuillan, Shane McPartlan, Jason Duffy, Oisín O'Neill, Stefan Campbell, Aidan Nugent, Jarly Og Burns
Add a bit of height.
Omly Connaire Mackin 2nd championship start this year? and the first Peter McGrane won't start.
Good call imo although harsh on McGrane.
McGrane is a faster player, perhaps he will have a role towards the end when this may be more fluid.
Yeah although he's probably well down in pecking order in terms of impact off the bench with Soupy, McQuillan etc.
Mackin to go on Comer with McKay sweeping? Or vice versa?
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/armagh/everybody-wants-to-see-armagh-win-poyntzpass-silver-band-helped-gaa-club-put-their-flags-up-as-communities-unite/a879541237.html
Every All-Ireland winner since Donegal in 2012, have been in at least one final in the three years previous.
Armagh would be bucking that trend.
Quote from: inroundthesquare on July 26, 2024, 06:45:29 PMEvery All-Ireland winner since Donegal in 2012, have been in at least one final in the three years previous.
Armagh would be bucking that trend.
When Armagh won Sam Maguire in 2002 it was a first All Ireland final appearance since 1977 (25 year wait) this Sunday is a first All Ireland final appearance for 21 years same wait as Galway had in 2022.
Quote from: dec on July 26, 2024, 06:24:00 PMhttps://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/armagh/everybody-wants-to-see-armagh-win-poyntzpass-silver-band-helped-gaa-club-put-their-flags-up-as-communities-unite/a879541237.html
Same thing happened in 2002. The orangemen took down their flags and bunting early so that the other orangemen could put theirs up.
From https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/our-nine-experts-give-their-all-ireland-final-verdict-and-not-one-is-tipping-armagh/a1663413109.html?
"Nine experts give their All-Ireland final verdict – and not one is tipping Armagh"
Frank Roche: Expect all kinds of everything. Initial caginess mixed with huge collisions, the scoreboard tilting both ways. There will be goal chances, but not many. Whoever converts will prevail. Galway 1-15 Armagh 0-17
Donnchadh Boyle: We could see an edgy start with the game opening up as legs begin to tire. Extra time a possibility and, given defensive set-ups on both sides, we might only see one green flag and that could be the difference. Galway 1-15 Armagh 0-16
Dermot Crowe: Extremely close as in their recent matches. A bit of stardust from Shane Walsh or a Damien Comer goal may tilt it off balance. Galway 1-16 Armagh 1-15
Michael Verney: Tight and tense with scores hard-earned. I'd expect Galway to set the pace and a have a small buffer for long stages before Armagh unload the bench. A one-score game but the Tribe can prevail. Galway 1-16 Armagh 0-17
Conor McKeon: With Galway shading it, quite possibly after extra-time, getting marginally more out Walsh, Comer, Finnerty and McDaid than Armagh do out of O'Neill, Turbitt, Grugan and Murnin. Galway 1-15 Armagh 0-17
Colm Keys: Tense with outbreaks of good football, as it has been in their last three games. There'll be moments of class from Shane Walsh, Cillian McDaid, Rian O'Neill and Stefan Campbell but Galway might make less mistakes. Galway 1-13 Armagh 0-14
Sean McGoldrick: It is likely to be a cagey affair with both likely to keep the handbrake on until late. The fitness of Damien Comer and Walsh is critical to the Tribe who may be better equipped to handle the demands of an All-Ireland final. Galway 0-19 Armagh 0-17
Dick Clerkin: Galway have a great balance about their team, that has stood to them in tight games, even with key players injured. Armagh need their key men firing otherwise they can look ordinary. Galway 1-14 Armagh 0-15
Philly McMahon: Very similar to the All-Ireland hurling final. Two teams initially sussing each other out. Intermittent periods of dominance. Don't be surprised if both teams concede the kick out. A draw. Galway 0-16 Armagh 0-16
Ok then, I'll have a go......
Armagh 2-14
Galway 1-14
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 26, 2024, 08:28:02 PMFrom https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/our-nine-experts-give-their-all-ireland-final-verdict-and-not-one-is-tipping-armagh/a1663413109.html?
"Nine experts give their All-Ireland final verdict – and not one is tipping Armagh"
Frank Roche: Expect all kinds of everything. Initial caginess mixed with huge collisions, the scoreboard tilting both ways. There will be goal chances, but not many. Whoever converts will prevail. Galway 1-15 Armagh 0-17
Donnchadh Boyle: We could see an edgy start with the game opening up as legs begin to tire. Extra time a possibility and, given defensive set-ups on both sides, we might only see one green flag and that could be the difference. Galway 1-15 Armagh 0-16
Dermot Crowe: Extremely close as in their recent matches. A bit of stardust from Shane Walsh or a Damien Comer goal may tilt it off balance. Galway 1-16 Armagh 1-15
Michael Verney: Tight and tense with scores hard-earned. I'd expect Galway to set the pace and a have a small buffer for long stages before Armagh unload the bench. A one-score game but the Tribe can prevail. Galway 1-16 Armagh 0-17
Conor McKeon: With Galway shading it, quite possibly after extra-time, getting marginally more out Walsh, Comer, Finnerty and McDaid than Armagh do out of O'Neill, Turbitt, Grugan and Murnin. Galway 1-15 Armagh 0-17
Colm Keys: Tense with outbreaks of good football, as it has been in their last three games. There'll be moments of class from Shane Walsh, Cillian McDaid, Rian O'Neill and Stefan Campbell but Galway might make less mistakes. Galway 1-13 Armagh 0-14
Sean McGoldrick: It is likely to be a cagey affair with both likely to keep the handbrake on until late. The fitness of Damien Comer and Walsh is critical to the Tribe who may be better equipped to handle the demands of an All-Ireland final. Galway 0-19 Armagh 0-17
Dick Clerkin: Galway have a great balance about their team, that has stood to them in tight games, even with key players injured. Armagh need their key men firing otherwise they can look ordinary. Galway 1-14 Armagh 0-15
Philly McMahon: Very similar to the All-Ireland hurling final. Two teams initially sussing each other out. Intermittent periods of dominance. Don't be surprised if both teams concede the kick out. A draw. Galway 0-16 Armagh 0-16
The word "expert" is doing a lot of work there
Philly's changed his mind. Tipped Armagh narrowly on a podcast this week.
Can't believe Dick Turpin hasn't tipped us.
Lovely position Armagh find themselves going into the final with all the "experts" tipping Galway to win. If it was kerry v Galway final instead many of the same fellas would be tipping Kerry to win.
A Galway man told me tonight that they have lost 6 of their last 7 national finals since winning the All Ireland in 2001 the only win coming against Cavan in a Division 2 final seven years ago.
Quote from: Armamike on July 26, 2024, 09:09:20 PMPhilly's changed his mind. Tipped Armagh narrowly on a podcast this week.
Can't believe Dick Turpin hasn't tipped us.
Dick more worried about kids not getting tickets for the match.
Why does Dick Clerking always have to get a dig in somewhere whenever he's commenting on these games.
Was the same with Derry few weeks back. Comes across as bitter towards his fellow Ulster teams
Galway to edge it for me 3-29 to 1-34.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 27, 2024, 12:35:57 AMGalway to edge it for me 3-29 to 1-34.
Including the extra time and replay, presumably.
You might be right.
If anyone wants 10k on Galway not doing it I'll happily take any bet
Decided I go for Armagh by 3pts in extra time.
Armagh aren't losing tomorrow
Either we win after extra time or it will be a draw with us winning the replay
Bound to be a special few days for Jarlath Burns and that household.
Probably never imagined that he'd see his own county in the senior football final in his first year of office.
As for the match, I hope Armagh have no regrets. Do the unexpected and have goodgo at Galway.
Best of luck to Armagh.
Start of the week I thought Galway but if Armagh can stay in contention with 10 to go I think their bench will win it for them.
Galway have the better footballers but like 2002 Armagh's name is on the cup. Armagh will win by 1.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 27, 2024, 01:12:18 AMIf anyone wants 10k on Galway not doing it I'll happily take any bet
Throw up 2.0 (evs) Galway on the "to lift the trophy" market on betfair there, we'll get whatever you want on it matched
Quote from: blanketattack on July 23, 2024, 11:39:18 PMIf Armagh win, they'll have won the All-Ireland without any of their players having played in an All-Ireland semi-final prior to the All-Ireland winning year.
When's the last time this has happened?
It was Roscommon in 1943.
Galway by 4.
Galway beat the reigning All-Ireland champions and a fancied Donegal team in the knockout stages.
Armagh beat a poor Roscommon team and a very out of sorts Kerry team, so on form think Galway should have too much.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 27, 2024, 09:59:31 AMQuote from: blanketattack on July 23, 2024, 11:39:18 PMIf Armagh win, they'll have won the All-Ireland without any of their players having played in an All-Ireland semi-final prior to the All-Ireland winning year.
When's the last time this has happened?
It was Roscommon in 1943.
Dublin 1974?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2024, 10:54:35 AMQuote from: blanketattack on July 27, 2024, 09:59:31 AMQuote from: blanketattack on July 23, 2024, 11:39:18 PMIf Armagh win, they'll have won the All-Ireland without any of their players having played in an All-Ireland semi-final prior to the All-Ireland winning year.
When's the last time this has happened?
It was Roscommon in 1943.
Dublin 1974?
Good call! Checking back last Leinster was 1965... maybe Jimmy Keaveney was there. Heffo did go looking him to make a return.
Quote from: Truthsayer on July 27, 2024, 11:14:23 AMQuote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2024, 10:54:35 AMQuote from: blanketattack on July 27, 2024, 09:59:31 AMQuote from: blanketattack on July 23, 2024, 11:39:18 PMIf Armagh win, they'll have won the All-Ireland without any of their players having played in an All-Ireland semi-final prior to the All-Ireland winning year.
When's the last time this has happened?
It was Roscommon in 1943.
Dublin 1974?
Good call! Checking back last Leinster was 1965... maybe Jimmy Keaveney was there. Heffo did go looking him to make a return.
Limerick 1887 would be the first.
Great little video.
https://x.com/Galway_GAA/status/1816948353063600550
Quote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2024, 10:54:35 AMQuote from: blanketattack on July 27, 2024, 09:59:31 AMQuote from: blanketattack on July 23, 2024, 11:39:18 PMIf Armagh win, they'll have won the All-Ireland without any of their players having played in an All-Ireland semi-final prior to the All-Ireland winning year.
When's the last time this has happened?
It was Roscommon in 1943.
Dublin 1974?
Keaveney played in 65 semi
https://x.com/gaanostalgia/status/834090079484276736?lang=en
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 27, 2024, 11:58:03 AMGreat little video.
https://x.com/Galway_GAA/status/1816948353063600550
Ah fantastic video, brings it all back to where it started, along way from All Ireland Final day in Croker!
Quote from: blanketattack on July 27, 2024, 10:15:59 AMGalway by 4.
Galway beat the reigning All-Ireland champions and a fancied Donegal team in the knockout stages.
Armagh beat a poor Roscommon team and a very out of sorts Kerry team, so on form think Galway should have too much.
Kerry was no more "out of sorts" against Armagh than they were in last year's final or semi final v Tyrone in 2021 and had Derry the fitness/conditioning plus bench impact of Armagh they probably would have beaten Kerry last year.
Galways neighbours Mayo beat the reigning All-Ireland champions a few times and didn't go on to win the All-Ireland. Fancied Donegal didn't beat Armagh in 90 minutes of action.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 27, 2024, 02:29:53 PMQuote from: blanketattack on July 27, 2024, 10:15:59 AMGalway by 4.
Galway beat the reigning All-Ireland champions and a fancied Donegal team in the knockout stages.
Armagh beat a poor Roscommon team and a very out of sorts Kerry team, so on form think Galway should have too much.
Kerry was no more "out of sorts" against Armagh than they were in last year's final or semi final v Tyrone in 2021 and had Derry the fitness/conditioning plus bench impact of Armagh they probably would have beaten Kerry last year.
Galways neighbours Mayo beat the reigning All-Ireland champions a few times and didn't go on to win the All-Ireland. Fancied Donegal didn't beat Armagh in 90 minutes of action.
Donegal are no better than Armagh, they lost composure a bit in the last 5 minutes against Galway, had their shooting been as good as in Clones then they would likely have also drawn with Galway.
It is hard to see how the Galway performance against Donegal implies beating Armagh by 4, although if their men are fit you could make a marginal case for Galway. A margin of 4 would imply that Armagh misfired on the day, which is possible as it is their first final.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 27, 2024, 10:15:59 AMGalway by 4.
Galway beat the reigning All-Ireland champions and a fancied Donegal team in the knockout stages.
Armagh beat a poor Roscommon team and a very out of sorts Kerry team, so on form think Galway should have too much.
Kerry out of form just because they lost?
BBC pundits verdict.
Michael Murphy
Twelve months ago, I managed to correctly predict that Dublin would beat Kerry by two points in the All-Ireland final. This time around I'm still equally as indecisive with my prediction.
I have gravitated towards both Armagh and Galway for different reasons. Armagh have been hardened by the highs and lows of their journey and will be given that extra lift by the thousands who will travel south to Croke Park on Sunday.
It's been 21 years since they were in an All-Ireland final and they won't be easily beaten, but the closer we get to the final, I'm putting more and more value in Galway.
This group has been here before, just two years ago. They have the experience and they have the system to win this game. Even with question marks over the fitness of Sean Kelly, Damien Comer and Shane Walsh, the form of their other big-game players has been simply phenomenal.
Prediction: Galway
Oisin McConville
The teams are evenly matched. There's been a point between them in the four games that they've played recently.
The winning and the losing of the game for Armagh is around the midfield. [Galway goalkeeper Connor] Gleeson coughed up a goal and two points to us the last day we played that got us the draw we needed to top the group.
That made a massive difference as the competition has gone on.
Armagh got two weeks rest as a result - and it looked as if that was something we needed. Armagh look fresher now.
Again, they've got to target him. You've got to target his kick-outs. If Armagh can do that, then it's up to the big men in the middle of the field to win the ball.
The one person who keeps popping up in my head is Damien Comer. Physically, I'm not sure Armagh have anyone to match him. He wasn't 100% fit the last day. If he is fit, he's more dynamic than any other forward Armagh have come up against.
If we curtail him, Armagh can win the game.
Prediction: Armagh
Owen Mulligan
The midfield sector is so important with Galway's Paul Conroy and Sean Kelly taking on Niall Grimley and Ben Crealey of Armagh. There's certainly power and pace there and they are four box-to-box players.
With Connor Gleeson and Blaine Hughes' kick-outs both very accurate, that will be a decisive factor.
Barry McCambridge picking up Shane Walsh will be massive as well. Walsh has been carrying an injury and McCambridge kept Kerry talisman David Clifford to one point from play in the semi-finals so I think he'll test Walsh by running up and down the field.
It's been a long time for both teams. I think it'll be a draw after 70 minutes with Armagh winning in extra-time.
Prediction: Armagh
Ray Silke
Firstly, I think Comer, Walsh, Cillian McDaid and Rob Finnerty are more efficient than the Armagh forwards. Assuming Walsh and Comer are injury-free, they will provide a lot of trouble for Armagh.
Comer hasn't scored in the last two matches but if he kicks back into form, Aaron McKay or Barry McCambridge will have their hands full.
Secondly, the Galway defence has been exceptional all year. The highest margin they've conceded all year was 16 points against Dublin. In Dylan McHugh and Liam Silke they have two outstanding half-backs while Johnny McGrath and Jack Glynn will be on their way to All-Stars if they win.
The only goal they've conceded in nine matches was against Armagh in the group stage, albeit from a kick-out mistake by Connor Gleeson.
Thirdly, it might be the last chance for Paul Conroy, who is 35, Comer and Walsh, who've been struggling with injuries, and maybe even Padraic Joyce and Cian O'Neill themselves. It's their fifth year there. There is a sense of 'let's get this done', especially after 2022. They won't take Armagh for granted but I think Galway will edge it.
Prediction: Galway
Mickey Harte
There are so many variables that make predicting this game difficult.
Can this Armagh group handle the razzmatazz of being in a final for the first time?
Can Galway use the hurt of two years ago to their advantage?
Will Shane Walsh, Sean Kelly and Damien Comer be fit for Galway?
Their games are always tight. Two years ago in Croke Park it went all the way to penalties.
We can't have penalties on Sunday of course so I think these two won't be separated after extra-time and we'll be back to do it again in a fortnight.
Prediction: Draw
Quote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2024, 10:54:35 AMQuote from: blanketattack on July 27, 2024, 09:59:31 AMQuote from: blanketattack on July 23, 2024, 11:39:18 PMIf Armagh win, they'll have won the All-Ireland without any of their players having played in an All-Ireland semi-final prior to the All-Ireland winning year.
When's the last time this has happened?
It was Roscommon in 1943.
Dublin 1974?
The question indicates what Armagh are facing and given the rarity of the feat , it must be an advantage for Galway.
Quote from: seafoid on July 27, 2024, 04:52:33 PMQuote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2024, 10:54:35 AMQuote from: blanketattack on July 27, 2024, 09:59:31 AMQuote from: blanketattack on July 23, 2024, 11:39:18 PMIf Armagh win, they'll have won the All-Ireland without any of their players having played in an All-Ireland semi-final prior to the All-Ireland winning year.
When's the last time this has happened?
It was Roscommon in 1943.
Dublin 1974?
The question indicates what Armagh are facing and given the rarity of the feat , it must be an advantage for Galway.
Yes, but Roscommon 1943 was also the last time that a Connacht team beat an Ulster one in the final.
It just goes to illustrate the novelty of the game.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 27, 2024, 05:16:09 PMQuote from: seafoid on July 27, 2024, 04:52:33 PMQuote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2024, 10:54:35 AMQuote from: blanketattack on July 27, 2024, 09:59:31 AMQuote from: blanketattack on July 23, 2024, 11:39:18 PMIf Armagh win, they'll have won the All-Ireland without any of their players having played in an All-Ireland semi-final prior to the All-Ireland winning year.
When's the last time this has happened?
It was Roscommon in 1943.
Dublin 1974?
The question indicates what Armagh are facing and given the rarity of the feat , it must be an advantage for Galway.
Yes, but Roscommon 1943 was also the last time that a Connacht team beat an Ulster one in the final.
It just goes to illustrate the novelty of the game.
True dat! Connaught and Ulster were usually the poor relations in the championship. Commentator was onto Pádraic Joyce how Galway hadn't beat Dublin in the championship in so years years... decades and decades... but Joyce reminded him they'd met v few times.
Quote from: Truthsayer on July 27, 2024, 05:37:37 PMQuote from: armaghniac on July 27, 2024, 05:16:09 PMQuote from: seafoid on July 27, 2024, 04:52:33 PMQuote from: Rossfan on July 27, 2024, 10:54:35 AMQuote from: blanketattack on July 27, 2024, 09:59:31 AMQuote from: blanketattack on July 23, 2024, 11:39:18 PMIf Armagh win, they'll have won the All-Ireland without any of their players having played in an All-Ireland semi-final prior to the All-Ireland winning year.
When's the last time this has happened?
It was Roscommon in 1943.
Dublin 1974?
The question indicates what Armagh are facing and given the rarity of the feat , it must be an advantage for Galway.
Yes, but Roscommon 1943 was also the last time that a Connacht team beat an Ulster one in the final.
It just goes to illustrate the novelty of the game.
True dat! Connaught and Ulster were usually the poor relations in the championship. Commentator was onto Pádraic Joyce how Galway hadn't beat Dublin in the championship in so years years... decades and decades... but Joyce reminded him they'd met v few times.
Either way, one record Roscommon holds for eighty years will be lost!
Lads, who really gives a feck about this semi final thing? Move on ffs
In 1977, Derry having won the previous two Ulsters, Armagh scored three goals against us en route to an eleven point win. Armagh's All-Ireland semi-final couldn't be settled in normal time. Armagh lose final by a rake.
In 2024, Derry having won the previous two Ulsters, Armagh scored three goals against us en route to an eleven point win. Armagh's All-Ireland semi-final couldn't be settled in normal time.
My prediction for tomorrow:
Armagh by 4/5.
Safe Travels to all heading down today. Let's home we're bringing Sam back up the road to Armagh tonight.
Enjoy the game and we'll be the 16th man in Croker. Good Luck to Geezer and the Boys!! Armagh Abu 🧡🤍
Come on Armagh.
Bring Sam back.
Goodluck to Armagh. Call into Newry on way home to show us the cup....its been a while and we miss it.
Come on Armagh!!
Best of luck to the team and management. Safe travels to all regardless of who you are supporting.
Orange and white for the day. Good luck Armagh.
Things change sometimes for the better
Quote from: galwayman on May 04, 2024, 09:49:10 PMI love Gaelic football - I have since I can remember.
I'm in my forties now and this is the first year ever that I just can't get excited about the championship whatsoever.
No doubt he's a biteen excited today 😆.
Hope it's a good tussle with the result in doubt till near the end and
May the best team win.
Back in April the general opinion was Dublin v Kerry again with Derry the only one who might upset the apple cart.
From tomorrow, 8 or 10 Teams will feel they're in with a shout for 25.
Drumcondra was buzzing from early this morning. Great anticipation and colour around. Such a shame that there is no coverage til 2.15 today. Would love an early magazine type programme today to recap both teams runs to here, players etc before all the official build up.
Hard enough to stay up to date with all your own counties games nowadays never mind the others.
Why o why o why do they have to commentate over the jubilee team. Just stfu for 2mins
Ah now we're away from it altogether ...
#thingsthatgrindmygears
Sean Kelly named to start for a 2nd game in a row and he doesn't start. Place in the starting 15 once more taken up by Cein Darcy. Armagh unchanged.
Handpass central. Tough watch so far.
Expected tactical affair 0-3 each after 10 minutes. Rob Finnerty going off injured.
Could they not stop the game for a minute and get the injured seagull out of danger?
Ah, somebody run over the top of it before the game us over.
Quote from: weareros on July 28, 2024, 03:43:10 PMCould they not stop the game for a minute and get the injured seagull out of danger?
Don't think Hurson likes seagulls.
Armagh play very defensive when the other team attacks, all back deep.
All Ireland final atmosphere now like a morgue, unless Armagh gain possession. Even with fanatical support the type of football played nowadays kills the craic. Only when game is on the line in last 10 do games like this liven up.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 28, 2024, 03:45:55 PMQuote from: weareros on July 28, 2024, 03:43:10 PMCould they not stop the game for a minute and get the injured seagull out of danger?
Don't think Hurson likes seagulls.
Buff Egan on Facebook not happy bout seagull situation either... 'out-out-out!' he said..
Hawkeye will look after the seagull.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 28, 2024, 03:49:48 PMHawkeye will look after the seagull.
Where was hawkeye there??
Never a free there, poor enough first 20mins
Bad miss by Turbitt on a free, from the next attack Galway score to take the lead again.
Believe it is pretty hard to catch a seagull they can be vicious. Need to get a blanket ad cover it can't see the stewards wanting to go in on live TV and mess it up.
Good 4th point for Galway poor enough game so far.
Poor fare so far!
2 very very average teams. That's what happens when you get a novelty final.
Shane Walsh misses a routine free and Armagh score from the next attack to level it up 0-4 each after 25 minutes.
John Maher playing a stormer
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 28, 2024, 03:56:36 PM2 very very average teams. That's what happens when you get a novelty final.
The 2 best teams in Ireland!
Not playing particularly well but they aren't average teams!
Shane Walsh had the final of his life 2 years ago. Struggling to get into this game
Turbitt and Conaty not in it at all. Comer and Walsh neither. Walsh looks as if he might have pace on McCambridge though.
With Walsh missing those scorable frees Armagh are winning this for sure.
Quote from: clarshack on July 28, 2024, 04:04:28 PMWith Walsh missing those scorable frees Armagh are winning this for sure.
And now a mark kicked wide for Armagh. Pressure taking over as those chances would normally be scores.
The seagull has been the most exciting part of this so far.
Quote from: clarshack on July 28, 2024, 04:04:28 PMWith Walsh missing those scorable frees Armagh are winning this for sure.
Armagh have missed as much. No side standing out so far.
And sure enough since I posted that Conaty has been prominent ::)
Awful 1st Half, Galway should bring Comer out the field abit. Armagh to me are playing containment then hitting fast on counter attack and short kick outs.
Quote from: gallsman on July 28, 2024, 04:07:54 PMAnd sure enough since I posted that Conaty has been prominent ::)
Did he not score 2 points already before that?
What a shit first half.
Change the rules,
Playing all 15 men inside u own 45-65, they need look on how to sort that out nxt few yrs. Not a wonder good inside forwards struggle to see a ball.
Quote from: Nanderson on July 28, 2024, 04:09:16 PMQuote from: gallsman on July 28, 2024, 04:07:54 PMAnd sure enough since I posted that Conaty has been prominent ::)
Did he not score 2 points already before that?
Conaty was stand out forward in that half all others including "marquee Forwards" have struggled to make an impact. All to play for 2nd half plenty of nervy errors by both teams.
This is fecking dirt. Youd be as well just turning it on for last 10 just to see who wins.
Armagh only 34%, possession 1st Half.
Quote from: Nanderson on July 28, 2024, 04:09:16 PMQuote from: gallsman on July 28, 2024, 04:07:54 PMAnd sure enough since I posted that Conaty has been prominent ::)
Did he not score 2 points already before that?
Thought he got one off the right earlier on. Was the first fisted point him or McElroy?
Quote from: gallsman on July 28, 2024, 04:14:13 PMQuote from: Nanderson on July 28, 2024, 04:09:16 PMQuote from: gallsman on July 28, 2024, 04:07:54 PMAnd sure enough since I posted that Conaty has been prominent ::)
Did he not score 2 points already before that?
Thought he got one off the right earlier on. Was the first fisted point him or McElroy?
Fisted was Conaty
Poor game. The hurling snobs will have a field day looking down at football.
Both had 10 shots in that half.
Grand, more in it than I thought then.
Some difference from last week alright.
Quote from: gallsman on July 28, 2024, 04:14:13 PMQuote from: Nanderson on July 28, 2024, 04:09:16 PMQuote from: gallsman on July 28, 2024, 04:07:54 PMAnd sure enough since I posted that Conaty has been prominent ::)
Did he not score 2 points already before that?
Thought he got one off the right earlier on. Was the first fisted point him or McElroy?
Was Conaty that scored that point, two for him in that half.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 28, 2024, 04:16:15 PMPoor game. The hurling snobs will have a field day looking down at football.
Would they be wrong?
None of the starting FF lines have scored a point from play. That's an indictment on the type of football these days.
They're probably very good players being stiffled by coaching .. kind of feel sorry for players these days sent out to play those systems. Training must be horrible.
All that training to produce that.
It'll just be known at 'The Seagull Final'.
Big score for Galway there from a turn over they lead by 2 points.
No one noticed the f bomb by kerins there ;D
Armagh have never been in front here.
Great response by Armagh to level up the game.
The biggest excitement here at the club is a fella has a double running from last week..
In the hurling a draw draw and I. Tbe football a draw draw.
£24grand win.. been offered 4 grand as a cash out!
57mins.still crap, Armagh doing enough, but I think Galway are a better team. Armagh are as ugly as Derry in the defensive stakes.
Gleeson was like an old man coming off his line for the goal.
Why does Walsh always want to kick off his weaker foot?
60 minutes played Armagh 1-9 Galway 0-11. Who has the best bench and best fitness/conditioning should be seen now.
Seemed a very clear yellow for Campbell in that spell of fouls. Armagh's to lose Galway just don't look like they can get enough scores.
Armagh could be ahead by more. Reverting into themselves and giving away silly turnovers.
Walsh having a nightmare.
Worst all Ireland final ever?
G for the days of a Dublin Mayo finals there you could actually watch the game.
Shane Walsh has had a mare today
Galway are beaten here
Worst final since Kerry Mayo mid 2000's. Ugly fball does win games.
Quote from: clarshack on July 28, 2024, 04:53:23 PMShane Walsh has had a mare today
Miss/ free kicked into keepers hands made worse with Armagh scoring from the next attack.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 28, 2024, 04:52:14 PMWorst all Ireland final ever?
Certainly the worst all Ireland final commentary ever on BBC
Galway would be better going for the long ball than 2 minutes of possession followed by a crap shot. Need a miracle at 3 down.
Armagh lead by 3 some score by O'Neill. 65 minutes played.
Armagh have this, Galway's wides killing them
I thought Comer went off half an hour ago. Very poor second half from Galway forwards.
Quote from: GTP on July 28, 2024, 04:56:54 PMGalway would be better going for the long ball than 2 minutes of possession followed by a crap shot. Need a miracle at 3 down.
Haven't been good enough too many scoreable chances missed. Armagh have been marginally better but only ahead by a flukey goal to be fair
Two points in a row for Galway. 1-11 to 0-13 69 minutes.
Is there nobody else that can take the frees for Galway?
Jarly Og very lucky there!
Looked to be over carried and then a fall on the end line, free out. Tense but still poor punctuated by some good points.
Galway do know they behind?
off the post to Level game. A little over a minute to play. Big turnover Armagh point effort hits the post.
FT Armagh 1-11 Galway 0-13. Congrats to Armagh and hard luck Galway.
Well done Armagh, but poor game, Galway missed awful lot
Walsh kicked Galway out of that. Comer and McDaid completely anonymous, one late point aside. Armagh deserved winners but Christ Galway were largely awful. Conroy had been superb and then forced that final one when he had more time then he knew. 3rd quarter some of the Galway wides were horrendous.
What a perfect day for Armagh the best team in Ireland once again!
Galway threw that away imo, some terrible wides.
Poor game but Armagh won't care.
Might not have been vintage football but it was nevertheless an exciting game. Whoever lost was going to have regrets. Congrats to Armagh and hard luck to Galway. There was still some amazing scores and the Grimley point was something else. Galway were winning the press so it was senseless to eat up so much of the 6 minutes going for an equaliser.
Good luck to Armagh. Huge win!... the last 5 minutes of games are exciting these days.
Armagh have won, but I still say Dublin the best team in Ireland. Just like I say Limerick the best Hurling team even though Clare won the All-Ireland.
Congrats Armagh. Delighted for McGeeney, big respect for the guy, he got me my ticket for 2005 final, a gentleman.
Congrats Armagh. Who would have seen that at the start of the year.
Galway be having some nightmares. Walsh was v poor and Comer completely anonymous.
The famous Monday club about to become the Monday to Friday club.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 28, 2024, 05:13:19 PMArmagh have won, but I still say Dublin the best team in Ireland. Just like I say Limerick the best Hurling team even though Clare won the All-Ireland.
Whoever has the cup is the best team!
That was a brutal final. Fair play to armagh but galway threw that one away. Tactics and shooting were horrible. At least people can stop taking about shane walsh being a great player
Alright burns it's forker's speech
This GAA president likes the sound of his own voice.
Galway turning into the new Mayo
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 28, 2024, 05:18:26 PMAlright burns it's forker's speech
Was half expecting him to lift the trophy himself.
Kerry were better than them and they were poor today and still hung in there.
Shane Walsh still a great player btw.
Quote from: clarshack on July 28, 2024, 05:19:26 PMGalway turning into the new Mayo
Armagh were Mayo up until today. These things can turn around very quickly.
f**k it, I think I watch last week's hurling again.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 28, 2024, 05:21:15 PMShane Walsh still a great player btw.
For sure, but there's no pretending he wasn't every bit as bad today as he was brilliant two years ago. Comer was anonymous but Walsh was actively detrimental to them. We'll never know but the early injury to Finnerty could have been the difference.
Feel very sorry for John Maher. Thought he was the best player on the pitch.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 28, 2024, 05:18:26 PMAlright burns it's forker's speech
Burns' miles better in fairness :D
Comer obviously not fit, so the question is, why is he played?
Ulster football looking good! Clean up!
All Ireland County:
Senior: Armagh
U20 - Tyrone
U17 - Derry
All Ireland Club:
Senior - Glen (Derry)
Intermediate - Cullyhanna (Armagh) Junior - Arva (Cavan)...
Colleges:
Hogan Cup - Omagh CBS (Tyrone) Sigerson Cup - UUJ.
League:
Div 1 - Derry
Div 2 - Donegal
Tailteann Cup - Down.
Kimacud 7s: Dungannon Clarkes.
First half Maher best yeah but not second half.
They should have taken Walsh off frees. Tbh Joyce got a lot wrong tactics wise etc which is a pity as he has been so good all year.
It's the missed frees from Walsh, which 2yrs ago he never missed.
Full set of all the major trophies won by Ulsters team now, Ulster without doubt the best and strongest province now.
It was clear from minute one that it was one for the purists but who gives a shite when you win! There will have been some hearts in mouths in that last 5 mins.
Looking back surely the Galway goalie should've hit some of those frees, Walsh just hadn't the range today
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 28, 2024, 05:26:27 PMFull set of all the major trophies won by Ulsters team now, Ulster without doubt the best and strongest province now.
Can we bring back the Railway Cup to put the icing on the cake?
Armagh's bench won that game, as they did the last. Looks like I'll have to give Geezer some proper credit for spotting and implementing the key to Dublin's success.
Aaron McKay likely a shoo-in for man of the match, I'd think. Not too many starters on either side - Conroy aside - in contention.
First half was brutal. Second half was entertaining. Walsh will be kicking himself tonight.
All those penalty mishaps, don't really matter now.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 28, 2024, 05:26:14 PMFirst half Maher best yeah but not second half.
They should have taken Walsh off frees. Tbh Joyce got a lot wrong tactics wise etc which is a pity as he has been so good all year.
Nah his workrate in second half was crazy as well.
Not sure tactics were the issue. Galway had more than enough scoring chances.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 28, 2024, 05:28:38 PMFirst half was brutal. Second half was entertaining. Walsh will be kicking himself tonight.
He'll be no danger to himself so based on today's form.
There is certainly a lot of discussion to be had about the quality of that match and the quality of this entire Championship - but that's for another day. Huge congratulations to Armagh, a team who are way more than the sum of their parts and who overcame a lot of setbacks along the way to win that title. Enjoy the day, night and weeks ahead. I know you will!
Quote from: Sheedy on July 28, 2024, 05:27:55 PMLooking back surely the Galway goalie should've hit some of those frees, Walsh just hadn't the range today
The goalie would have scored at least one of the Walsh frees that fell short.
A good manager changes the kicker.
Geezer will be getting a big letter of apology in the morning from all his begrudgers
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 28, 2024, 05:21:15 PMKerry were better than them and they were poor today and still hung in there.
Shane Walsh still a great player btw.
Kerry are not better..in case you have forgotten Armagh beat Kerry in the semi-final
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 28, 2024, 05:34:14 PMGeezer will be getting a big letter of apology in the morning from all his begrudgers
tbf those people that berated him for the last 10 years and last few years in particular were probably firmly on the bandwagon today
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 28, 2024, 05:34:14 PMGeezer will be getting a big letter of apology in the morning from all his begrudgers
Wouldnt exactly be saying that. Hes been there for 10 years and relegated multiple times. Could easily have lost today but luckily galways shooting was horrendous
Quote from: Lazer on July 28, 2024, 05:34:32 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on July 28, 2024, 05:21:15 PMKerry were better than them and they were poor today and still hung in there.
Shane Walsh still a great player btw.
Kerry are not better..in case you have forgotten Armagh beat Kerry in the semi-final
f**k, think he must have forgotten!
This will be a hard one for Galway to come back from.
Quote from: Lazer on July 28, 2024, 05:34:32 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on July 28, 2024, 05:21:15 PMKerry were better than them and they were poor today and still hung in there.
Shane Walsh still a great player btw.
Kerry are not better..in case you have forgotten Armagh beat Kerry in the semi-final
I'm talking about Galway's final against them.
You read here like Armagh on because of Galway's kicking. Armagh tbh were probably better. It was a tough final and Armagh reverted a bit when they were really on top so you could say things about either. They were really the better team. Their defense was excellent. Honestly think if Galway scored some frees Armagh do more.
Wonder who is poty now.
I never knew Forker was from the Lough shore. I assume he is the first Sam Maguire winning captain from Lough shore. He would join Eamon Coleman in the Lough Neagh sporting legacy.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2024, 05:45:41 PMThis will be a hard one for Galway to come back from.
It will this one especially, 2 bites at the cherry now against beatable teams. At least Mayo back in the middle of the last decade have the excuse of coming up against the best team of all time.
Quote from: Truthsayer on July 28, 2024, 05:25:57 PMUlster football looking good! Clean up!
All Ireland County:
Senior: Armagh
U20 - Tyrone
U17 - Derry
All Ireland Club:
Senior - Glen (Derry)
Intermediate - Cullyhanna (Armagh) Junior - Arva (Cavan)...
Colleges:
Hogan Cup - Omagh CBS (Tyrone) Sigerson Cup - UUJ.
League:
Div 1 - Derry
Div 2 - Donegal
Tailteann Cup - Down.
Kimacud 7s: Dungannon Clarkes.
Ethan Rafferty won the All Ireland Road Bowls title as well
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 28, 2024, 05:48:57 PMYou read here like Armagh on because of Galway's kicking. Armagh tbh were probably better. It was a tough final and Armagh reverted a bit when they were really on top so you could say things about either. They were really the better team. Their defense was excellent. Honestly think if Galway scored some frees Armagh do more.
Wonder who is poty now.
Maybe, we'll never know. I thought Armagh were better for sure, not by much though. More incisive and prepared to shoot. Can't pretend that in a game they lost by a point, Galway kicked a huge amount wide or short.
Don't forget Soupy was absolutely going for a point as well ;D
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 28, 2024, 05:51:13 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on July 28, 2024, 05:25:57 PMUlster football looking good! Clean up!
All Ireland County:
Senior: Armagh
U20 - Tyrone
U17 - Derry
All Ireland Club:
Senior - Glen (Derry)
Intermediate - Cullyhanna (Armagh) Junior - Arva (Cavan)...
Colleges:
Hogan Cup - Omagh CBS (Tyrone) Sigerson Cup - UUJ.
League:
Div 1 - Derry
Div 2 - Donegal
Tailteann Cup - Down.
Kimacud 7s: Dungannon Clarkes.
Ethan Rafferty won the All Ireland Road Bowls title as well
Ulster Poc Fada winner be the icing...
Quote from: gallsman on July 28, 2024, 05:52:06 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on July 28, 2024, 05:48:57 PMYou read here like Armagh on because of Galway's kicking. Armagh tbh were probably better. It was a tough final and Armagh reverted a bit when they were really on top so you could say things about either. They were really the better team. Their defense was excellent. Honestly think if Galway scored some frees Armagh do more.
Wonder who is poty now.
Maybe, we'll never know. I thought Armagh were better for sure, not by much though. More incisive and prepared to shoot. Can't pretend that in a game they lost by a point, Galway kicked a huge amount wide or short.
Don't forget Soupy was absolutely going for a point as well ;D
we will never know but I thought they marginally deserved it and claims that it was just Galway kicking won them it are a bit unfair...
Honestly convinced Campbell passed that.
Quote from: Truthsayer on July 28, 2024, 05:52:49 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on July 28, 2024, 05:51:13 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on July 28, 2024, 05:25:57 PMUlster football looking good! Clean up!
All Ireland County:
Senior: Armagh
U20 - Tyrone
U17 - Derry
All Ireland Club:
Senior - Glen (Derry)
Intermediate - Cullyhanna (Armagh) Junior - Arva (Cavan)...
Colleges:
Hogan Cup - Omagh CBS (Tyrone) Sigerson Cup - UUJ.
League:
Div 1 - Derry
Div 2 - Donegal
Tailteann Cup - Down.
Kimacud 7s: Dungannon Clarkes.
Ethan Rafferty won the All Ireland Road Bowls title as well
Ulster Poc Fada winner be the icing...
And the Scor novelty act will be the cherry on top
Campbell never passed that, he didn't even see the man.
Armagh fully deserved to win that game, the neighbors fought the good fight over the crucial last 15 minutes.
I guess that means Geezer is a 'made' manager, one for life.
No way Campbell passed that, the low angle camera shows he never lifted his head once to see the run of McKay. Fair play to McKay for keeping his run going though.
Dublin 7/8yrs ago would had both teams well beat by the 50min Mark. So the standard of fball has dropped well off.
On watching it back maybe he didn't mean it ;D
Weasel you're a bit sore about this...
Wonder who motm.
For neutrals watching the game it was pure piss. That said the tightness of the game made it tense..
An Ulster team winning and Gezzer ramming down doubters throats is good.
No one in time remembers how the game is won, only that you won it.
Off licences in Lurgan will run out of buckfast tonight
And the biggest cheer in the club was the cash out at £17grand!!
Would the keeper or anyone have taken the long range frees from Walsh? He clearly wasn't on it.
Armagh deserved it I'd say as a neutral.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 28, 2024, 06:05:39 PMDublin 7/8yrs ago would had both teams well beat by the 50min Mark. So the standard of fball has dropped well off.
Yeah, but that Dublin team were of an incredible standard. You don't win 6 in a row otherwise.
There will be peaks and dips over the years. Some counties are lucky to nip in during a dip and steal an AI. Kerry were always amazingly talented at doing this.
I do think there's a slight, tiny chance he passed it because it was a crazy angle to go for the point from in the first place. Soupy has generally been excellent this year but rushes of blood to the head and terrible decision making would be things he's well familiar with ;D
If he did mean it, it's one of the best and most important handpasses ever seen because it was absolutely blind and pinpoint accurate.
Some amount of spite from Mayo and Tyrone posters! (not all)
A defining moment of the championship this year was immediately after the Dublin-Mayo Armagh-Galway group games. Mayo and Galway both missed out on topping their groups in almost identical circumstances with last second points be the oppposition. Galway wipe themselves down and get on with it. Mayo management, player and fans all despondent say it's impossible to progress playing 3 games in 3 weeks! Then after a super performance v Dublin they play horrendously v Derry, and still nearly won. I've no doubt they would have beaten Derry and Kerry with a proper attitude and who knows what happens after that.
And some Tyrone posters have embarrassed themselves. Long may those lads dwell in Armagh's glory!
The best two teams this year in the final and it was an enthralling affair. Loved the game. Hard luck Galway, my learning would be you're not actually reliant on Walsh and Comer as I thought you were. If they are not 100% fit, then the next lad in is good enough to be the better option. You do have strength in depth.
But almighty congrats to Armagh. Some absolute wonder scores kicked today. Jarlaith deserved this. Geezer deserved this. Enjoy!!
I enjoyed that game too hound. Hugely tactical. Armagh's defensive setup was superb. Galway's decent too but not quite as good.
I still maybe think soupy maybe passed it. He couldn't score from there... Wonder will he admit it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 28, 2024, 06:07:55 PMOn watching it back maybe he didn't mean it ;D
Weasel you're a bit sore about this...
Wonder who motm.
Defences well on top. Mc Kay got a goal as well so in with a strong shout.
For me Ben Crealey was outstanding as well. Scored a few very important points in a game of tight margins. Also a few crucial interceptions.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 28, 2024, 06:05:39 PMDublin 7/8yrs ago would had both teams well beat by the 50min Mark. So the standard of fball has dropped well off.
A bit of myth about Dublin. They were far from great in some of those All Ireland finals they won. In the drawn All Ireland final match 2016 they performed poorly and very thankful Mayo scored two goals for them.
I think he went for a pass. The technique of the punch...
Congratulations Armagh, they deserved it on the day. Fine margins, as Jimmy Smyth said, two balls off the post decided it. Winner takes all. Devastating for Galway and I think they'll regret it a lot - could they not have thrown a couple of balls into the mixer?
A great day for Armagh who've had their fair share of sickeners.
I think it was a pass.
Congrats to Armagh. Genuinely happy to see Sam just south of the Blackwater. Will make the clashes next year livelier.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 28, 2024, 05:29:17 PMAll those penalty mishaps, don't really matter now.
They do still matter because winning the All Ireland as Ulster champions surely must mean more. It certainly looks better in the history books. If Derry win it soon they can say they all have Ulster medals too.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on July 28, 2024, 06:25:03 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on July 28, 2024, 05:29:17 PMAll those penalty mishaps, don't really matter now.
They do still matter because winning the All Ireland as Ulster champions surely must mean more. It certainly looks better in the history books. If Derry win it soon they can say they all have Ulster medals too.
Read the room Norm.
From Gaelic Statsman
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Quote from: Hound on July 28, 2024, 06:13:47 PMSome amount of spite from Mayo and Tyrone posters! (not all)
A defining moment of the championship this year was immediately after the Dublin-Mayo Armagh-Galway group games. Mayo and Galway both missed out on topping their groups in almost identical circumstances with last second points be the oppposition. Galway wipe themselves down and get on with it. Mayo management, player and fans all despondent say it's impossible to progress playing 3 games in 3 weeks! Then after a super performance v Dublin they play horrendously v Derry, and still nearly won. I've no doubt they would have beaten Derry and Kerry with a proper attitude and who knows what happens after that.
And some Tyrone posters have embarrassed themselves. Long may those lads dwell in Armagh's glory!
The best two teams this year in the final and it was an enthralling affair. Loved the game. Hard luck Galway, my learning would be you're not actually reliant on Walsh and Comer as I thought you were. If they are not 100% fit, then the next lad in is good enough to be the better option. You do have strength in depth.
But almighty congrats to Armagh. Some absolute wonder scores kicked today. Jarlaith deserved this. Geezer deserved this. Enjoy!!
so who are ga
Quote from: Hound on July 28, 2024, 06:13:47 PMSome amount of spite from Mayo and Tyrone posters! (not all)
A defining moment of the championship this year was immediately after the Dublin-Mayo Armagh-Galway group games. Mayo and Galway both missed out on topping their groups in almost identical circumstances with last second points be the oppposition. Galway wipe themselves down and get on with it. Mayo management, player and fans all despondent say it's impossible to progress playing 3 games in 3 weeks! Then after a super performance v Dublin they play horrendously v Derry, and still nearly won. I've no doubt they would have beaten Derry and Kerry with a proper attitude and who knows what happens after that.
And some Tyrone posters have embarrassed themselves. Long may those lads dwell in Armagh's glory!
The best two teams this year in the final and it was an enthralling affair. Loved the game. Hard luck Galway, my learning would be you're not actually reliant on Walsh and Comer as I thought you were. If they are not 100% fit, then the next lad in is good enough to be the better option. You do have strength in depth.
But almighty congrats to Armagh. Some absolute wonder scores kicked today. Jarlaith deserved this. Geezer deserved this. Enjoy!!
I went back 5 pages and didn't fund any spiteful Mayo posts. Please direct me to them as I'm in the mood for some couch chuckling this evening!
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 28, 2024, 06:30:11 PMFrom Gaelic Statsman
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Galway hit the post, crucial stat.
The 4th or 5th best team in Ireland have won the All Ireland.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 28, 2024, 06:39:46 PMThe 4th or 5th best team in Ireland have won the All Ireland.
As you should know, that doesn't matter a fiddler's f**k.
Quote from: Sportacus on July 28, 2024, 06:37:02 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 28, 2024, 06:30:11 PMFrom Gaelic Statsman
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Galway hit the post, crucial stat.
3 shots dropped short a problem for Galway
Quote from: Hound on July 28, 2024, 06:13:47 PMSome amount of spite from Mayo and Tyrone posters! (not all)
A defining moment of the championship this year was immediately after the Dublin-Mayo Armagh-Galway group games. Mayo and Galway both missed out on topping their groups in almost identical circumstances with last second points be the oppposition. Galway wipe themselves down and get on with it. Mayo management, player and fans all despondent say it's impossible to progress playing 3 games in 3 weeks! Then after a super performance v Dublin they play horrendously v Derry, and still nearly won. I've no doubt they would have beaten Derry and Kerry with a proper attitude and who knows what happens after that.
And some Tyrone posters have embarrassed themselves. Long may those lads dwell in Armagh's glory!
The best two teams this year in the final and it was an enthralling affair. Loved the game. Hard luck Galway, my learning would be you're not actually reliant on Walsh and Comer as I thought you were. If they are not 100% fit, then the next lad in is good enough to be the better option. You do have strength in depth.
But almighty congrats to Armagh. Some absolute wonder scores kicked today. Jarlaith deserved this. Geezer deserved this. Enjoy!!
This post reads like a Joe Brolly article, in the bag ready to post at full time! It is a little sad to be honest
Quote from: Tubberman on July 28, 2024, 06:41:06 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on July 28, 2024, 06:39:46 PMThe 4th or 5th best team in Ireland have won the All Ireland.
As you should know, that doesn't matter a fiddler's f**k.
Oh I know, I don't blame them. Things fell for them. Can't fault them for Kerry/Galway not showing up.
Galway will be sick.
Hard luck Galway, All Ireland finals are hard won!!
Well done Armagh, what I admire the most is how you get the maximum out of your team in the big games this year.
Congratulations to Armagh. Poor game but it doesn't matter how you get over the line as long as you do.
Imagine picking an all star forward line from that. There wasn't one forward on the pitch today that excelled.
Quote from: An Watcher on July 28, 2024, 06:48:53 PMCongratulations to Armagh. Poor game but it doesn't matter how you get over the line as long as you do.
Imagine picking an all star forward line from that. There wasn't one forward on the pitch today that excelled.
Oisin Conaty had a great first half
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 28, 2024, 06:05:39 PMDublin 7/8yrs ago would had both teams well beat by the 50min Mark. So the standard of fball has dropped well off.
You're one sad man....
There's no romance in Galway
At least Mayo had the good grace to die with their boots on
Fair to say neither of them teams will make the semi final next year
Quote from: Tubberman on July 28, 2024, 06:36:32 PMQuote from: Hound on July 28, 2024, 06:13:47 PMSome amount of spite from Mayo and Tyrone posters! (not all)
A defining moment of the championship this year was immediately after the Dublin-Mayo Armagh-Galway group games. Mayo and Galway both missed out on topping their groups in almost identical circumstances with last second points be the oppposition. Galway wipe themselves down and get on with it. Mayo management, player and fans all despondent say it's impossible to progress playing 3 games in 3 weeks! Then after a super performance v Dublin they play horrendously v Derry, and still nearly won. I've no doubt they would have beaten Derry and Kerry with a proper attitude and who knows what happens after that.
And some Tyrone posters have embarrassed themselves. Long may those lads dwell in Armagh's glory!
The best two teams this year in the final and it was an enthralling affair. Loved the game. Hard luck Galway, my learning would be you're not actually reliant on Walsh and Comer as I thought you were. If they are not 100% fit, then the next lad in is good enough to be the better option. You do have strength in depth.
But almighty congrats to Armagh. Some absolute wonder scores kicked today. Jarlaith deserved this. Geezer deserved this. Enjoy!!
so who are gaQuote from: Hound on July 28, 2024, 06:13:47 PMSome amount of spite from Mayo and Tyrone posters! (not all)
A defining moment of the championship this year was immediately after the Dublin-Mayo Armagh-Galway group games. Mayo and Galway both missed out on topping their groups in almost identical circumstances with last second points be the oppposition. Galway wipe themselves down and get on with it. Mayo management, player and fans all despondent say it's impossible to progress playing 3 games in 3 weeks! Then after a super performance v Dublin they play horrendously v Derry, and still nearly won. I've no doubt they would have beaten Derry and Kerry with a proper attitude and who knows what happens after that.
And some Tyrone posters have embarrassed themselves. Long may those lads dwell in Armagh's glory!
The best two teams this year in the final and it was an enthralling affair. Loved the game. Hard luck Galway, my learning would be you're not actually reliant on Walsh and Comer as I thought you were. If they are not 100% fit, then the next lad in is good enough to be the better option. You do have strength in depth.
But almighty congrats to Armagh. Some absolute wonder scores kicked today. Jarlaith deserved this. Geezer deserved this. Enjoy!!
I went back 5 pages and didn't fund any spiteful Mayo posts. Please direct me to them as I'm in the mood for some couch chuckling this evening!
Yes , was thinking the same myself 🤔
Ethan Rafferty's injury meant Armagh had to go back to a more conventional goalkeeper and would appear to have improved them as a team.
The roving keeper could be a thing of the past if coaches look at this year's final and Cluxton who rarely leaves his line and has a few AI medals in his pocket.
Rafferty can enjoy his two AI wins this year has this double been done before?
Quote from: tiempo on July 28, 2024, 06:53:12 PMFair to say neither of them teams will make the semi final next year
Who's your 4 to reach if they don't?
Quote from: Sportacus on July 28, 2024, 06:37:02 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 28, 2024, 06:30:11 PMFrom Gaelic Statsman
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Galway hit the post, crucial stat.
Went wide after it hit post so mark down as one of Galway's wides.
Hard luck Galway. An out of sorts Shane Walsh probably the difference between the 2 teams. Thought they were very strong on the ball, defensively very very good, but just maybe took too few risks. Walsh was their talisman and when it wasn't working, they didn't adapt or no one else really stood up.
Congrats to Armagh, delighted for them and their manager. Weren't afraid to make the hard calls from the bench, defended well but when they broke were more direct and clinical. Took more risks too, almost even to their detriment last 10 minutes. Galway just couldn't take advantage but you have to credit the Armagh lads who stood up to some crucial moments, kicks, tackles etc
Delighted for Geezer. Shows what can be done with hard work and a team of 25+ lads who give more than the sum of their parts. No lamenting about underage success or lack of, advantages of other counties etc He has steadily built a head of steam, lacked silverware and a bit of luck, but they were always going in the right direction, players were happy, so they stuck with their man. A lessen for a lot of teams, it's not always about the quick sugar rush.
That'll be a quiz question for years. Name a team that won an all Ireland with every single score being from play.
That win had a sense of redemption about it. Galway are a fine team and will challenge again if they keep at it. I'm sure they will win it soon. All the naysayers here can do one. We f...kin did it!!!!!!!
Nobody on the All-Ireland winning teams for hurling or football in 2024 have a provincial medal.
In Armagh's case they hadn't even played in an All-Ireland semi-final until this year.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 28, 2024, 07:02:41 PMQuote from: Sportacus on July 28, 2024, 06:37:02 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 28, 2024, 06:30:11 PMFrom Gaelic Statsman
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Galway hit the post, crucial stat.
Went wide after it hit post so mark down as one of Galway's wides.
Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 28, 2024, 07:14:49 PMThat'll be a quiz question for years. Name a team that won an all Ireland with every single score being from play.
Might have happened way back in the 1890's or something. Usually scores weren't that high in those days, maybe 0-3 to 0-2
Wonder if Joyce will call it a day after 2 final defeats?
Expect geezer to stay on?
ARMAGH ARE ALL IRELAND CHAMPIONS
Not the greatest of games but I don't care.
I thought Conaty was immense.
I thought Joyce was poor with his subs and left a clearly not fit Comer on for far too long. Particularly brought into focus when Turbit was hooked relatively early when underperforming.
Thought Armagh deserved and controlled the game by allowing Galway to have a lot of possession in non dangerous areas.
Do they do season review DVD's like they used to?
Haven't seen any of it yet, but congratulations to all the Armagh boys here! Enjoy the celebrations!
Commiserations to Galway. It was always going to be a tight one
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 28, 2024, 07:00:36 PMQuote from: tiempo on July 28, 2024, 06:53:12 PMFair to say neither of them teams will make the semi final next year
Who's your 4 to reach if they don't?
Dublin, Kerry, Donegal, Mayo.
To be honest, it's a shitty comment to be making in the aftermath of a team winning (and losing) an All Ireland but there is a fair point in there. The All Ireland is open to some amount of teams at the minute. It's unusual.
Fair fcuks to Armagh. Best team in 2024 and full value for the All Ireland.
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 28, 2024, 05:56:53 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on July 28, 2024, 05:52:49 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on July 28, 2024, 05:51:13 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on July 28, 2024, 05:25:57 PMUlster football looking good! Clean up!
All Ireland County:
Senior: Armagh
U20 - Tyrone
U17 - Derry
All Ireland Club:
Senior - Glen (Derry)
Intermediate - Cullyhanna (Armagh) Junior - Arva (Cavan)...
Colleges:
Hogan Cup - Omagh CBS (Tyrone) Sigerson Cup - UUJ.
League:
Div 1 - Derry
Div 2 - Donegal
Tailteann Cup - Down.
Kimacud 7s: Dungannon Clarkes.
Ethan Rafferty won the All Ireland Road Bowls title as well
Ulster Poc Fada winner be the icing...
And the Scor novelty act will be the cherry on top
Dungannon won the Kilmacud 7s yesterday!
Ulster football is dominant.
Congratulations to the neighbours, you need to capitalize when a chance like this arises and they've done so. Any begrudgery about standard of the team, the championship in general, the sport, it really doesn't matter for the next few days to anyone in Armagh.
Quote from: Hound on July 28, 2024, 06:13:47 PMSome amount of spite from Mayo and Tyrone posters! (not all)
A defining moment of the championship this year was immediately after the Dublin-Mayo Armagh-Galway group games. Mayo and Galway both missed out on topping their groups in almost identical circumstances with last second points be the oppposition. Galway wipe themselves down and get on with it. Mayo management, player and fans all despondent say it's impossible to progress playing 3 games in 3 weeks! Then after a super performance v Dublin they play horrendously v Derry, and still nearly won. I've no doubt they would have beaten Derry and Kerry with a proper attitude and who knows what happens after that.
And some Tyrone posters have embarrassed themselves. Long may those lads dwell in Armagh's glory!
The best two teams this year in the final and it was an enthralling affair. Loved the game. Hard luck Galway, my learning would be you're not actually reliant on Walsh and Comer as I thought you were. If they are not 100% fit, then the next lad in is good enough to be the better option. You do have strength in depth.
But almighty congrats to Armagh. Some absolute wonder scores kicked today. Jarlaith deserved this. Geezer deserved this. Enjoy!!
wtf? Someone must have been having a gargle the day.
Delighted for mcgeeney. He has had to swallow some muck over the past few years from a lot of fans, so good his efforts have paid off.
That's 4 different winners in 5 years, so the allireand has certainly opened up again.
Wrong to discount two all Ireland finalists for next year. Both teams have shown good resilience through the year to get to where they got. A lot of teams don't have that resolve.
Who got man of the match?
Quote from: ClubScene13 on July 28, 2024, 08:02:33 PMCongratulations to the neighbours, you need to capitalize when a chance like this arises and they've done so. Any begrudgery about standard of the team, the championship in general, the sport, it really doesn't matter for the next few days to anyone in Armagh.
Very true. Tyrone took their chance when it arose in 2021. Armagh had to do so as well today , And they did, so fair play.
The likes of Dublin and Kerry Know they will be back again. For some others it could be a once in a lifetime chance
Well done to Armagh. Tiny margins.
Soupy as the impact sub par excellence.
Enjoy the next few days lads. Special times on that we can all agree I'm sure
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on July 28, 2024, 08:19:12 PMDelighted for mcgeeney. He has had to swallow some muck over the past few years from a lot of fans, so good his efforts have paid off.
That's 4 different winners in 5 years, so the allireand has certainly opened up again.
Wrong to discount two all Ireland finalists for next year. Both teams have shown good resilience through the year to get to where they got. A lot of teams don't have that resolve.
Who got man of the match?
Isnt man of the match given out at the banquet live on Sunday game?
Very hard to pick, I'd go for Conaty?
YPOTY for me is Conaty too
POTY for me is Rian O'Neill
Well done Armagh, hard luck Galway.
Was a tense one but the Goal a major major score in a low scoring game like that.
Thought Galway stuck too much to "The plan" in the closing stages when maybe a bit of off the cuff madness might have caused Armagh problems.
Always nice to see a little County win Sam.
No real standout MOTM for me
McKay, Grimley, Crealey, Conaty, Conroy, Galway no 11 All had their moments
Quote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2024, 08:55:19 PMWell done Armagh, hard luck Galway.
Was a tense one but the Goal a major major score in a low scoring game like that.
Thought Galway stuck too much to "The plan" in the closing stages when maybe a bit of off the cuff madness might have caused Armagh problems.
Always nice to see a little County win Sam.
Walsh had a sideline kick in round the 21 in the last 5minutes when Galway were 1 point down in an All Ireland final.
He kicked it back to midfield.
Modern Gaelic Football is absolute madness.
No words lads. Speak Thursday. Just enjoy it all
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 28, 2024, 08:57:40 PMNo real standout MOTM for me
McKay, Grimley, Crealey, Conaty, Conroy, Galway no 11 All had their moments
Probably give it to Rian O'Neill then
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 28, 2024, 09:00:13 PMQuote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2024, 08:55:19 PMWell done Armagh, hard luck Galway.
Was a tense one but the Goal a major major score in a low scoring game like that.
Thought Galway stuck too much to "The plan" in the closing stages when maybe a bit of off the cuff madness might have caused Armagh problems.
Always nice to see a little County win Sam.
Walsh had a sideline kick in round the 21 in the last 5minutes when Galway were 1 point down in an All Ireland final.
He kicked it back to midfield.
Modern Gaelic Football is absolute madness.
Tbf to Armagh they went for it a couple of times at the end. That chance where they hit the post and the Campbell chance were ones they could have really slowed it down for. Honestly disappointed in Galway today in that they didn't go for it at times.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 28, 2024, 09:00:13 PMQuote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2024, 08:55:19 PMWell done Armagh, hard luck Galway.
Was a tense one but the Goal a major major score in a low scoring game like that.
Thought Galway stuck too much to "The plan" in the closing stages when maybe a bit of off the cuff madness might have caused Armagh problems.
Always nice to see a little County win Sam.
Walsh had a sideline kick in round the 21 in the last 5minutes when Galway were 1 point down in an All Ireland final.
He kicked it back to midfield.
Modern Gaelic Football is absolute madness.
Haven't seen it again but I'm fairly sure that sideline was about halfway between the 13 and the end line. If he went for it, given what he'd been like all day, everyone would be up in arms over it.
He missed two normal gimmies for his standard. Would have been criminal had he went for it.
They lost it on not working the score or generating a free in those last few minutes.
Armagh snuffed them out at the end and that's definitely down to winning close games and learning from not winning close games ( if that makes sense lol )
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 28, 2024, 08:57:40 PMNo real standout MOTM for me
McKay, Grimley, Crealey, Conaty, Conroy, Galway no 11 All had their moments
Conaty might get it.
Conaty should get Man of the Match, but spare a thought for the seagull which had gobbled up a curry chip which had been vomited up the night before. The gull's lift and take-off malfunctioned for most of the first half.
I wouldn't say they were totally snuffed out. Walsh had a number of scorable free chances and missed,he didn't catch any of them right and u knew they were falling short the minute he hit it. He used to be so accurate from the ground. So not sure why he didn't try that option. It was a game were all star players were held, unknowns /lesser lights stood up more. Conroy I thought was good out of the more well known players
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 28, 2024, 10:33:47 PMI wouldn't say they were totally snuffed out. Walsh had a number of scorable free chances and missed,he didn't catch any of them right and u knew they were falling short the minute he hit it. He used to be so accurate from the ground. So not sure why he didn't try that option. It was a game were all star players were held, unknowns /lesser lights stood up more. Conroy I thought was good out of the more well known players
Conroy was one player you'd feel sorry for today. He has battled with some poor Galway teams over the years. Stuck with it through thick and thin. But there is no sentimentality in sport.
Well done Armagh. Enjoy the celebrations.
Hard luck Galway, keep it together and your day will come.
Great to see the PSNI getting into the spirit of things!
https://x.com/JamieBrysonCPNI/status/1817672809033699611 (https://x.com/JamieBrysonCPNI/status/1817672809033699611)
Some men get suspended in the morning, see TUV crying about it too.
RTE Man of the Match is Oisín Conaty well deserved for the young fella and should win young player of the year.
Conaty MOTM.
TSG Team of the Year:
Blaine Hughes
Johnny McGrath
Aaron McKay
Barry McCambridge
Dylan McHugh
Aidan Forker
Peadar Morgan
Paul Conroy
Ben Creeley
John Maher
Rian O'Neill
Oisin Conaty
Rob Finnerty
Oisin Gallen
Conor Turbitt
Everyone will be there or thereabouts for an All-Star but I'd say there'll be quite a few changes by the time they come around.
TSG Footballer of the Year:
Barry McCambridge
Delighted for my club man Conaty. Perhaps he can lead an orange march down the Garvaghy Road!
Just another two quick things.
1. Hurson had a very good game, a big improvement on his earlier performances.
2. The Galway fans are a great bunch, none of the ones near us left until after the presentation and I didn't see a single fan who didn't take the result with great dignity, not sure I could have been so magnanimous.
One stat from Colm Keys
Kieran McGeeney joins Kevin Heffernan, Billy Morgan, Tony Hanahoe,Paidi Ó Se and Brian Dooher in the era of the 'manager' to have captained/managed All-Ireland winning teams.
Call a spade a spade, Galway shit the nest.
Can anyone from Galway explain why John Daly has been a bit part player all season and didn't feature today?
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 28, 2024, 10:56:54 PMGreat to see the PSNI getting into the spirit of things!
https://x.com/JamieBrysonCPNI/status/1817672809033699611 (https://x.com/JamieBrysonCPNI/status/1817672809033699611)
Where was that?
If anything, is this not a good thing for community/police relations?
Quote from: highorlow on July 29, 2024, 12:05:55 AMCall a spade a spade, Galway shit the nest.
Call a spade a spade. Armagh won because we were the better team
The old psni to get a touch in the morning from the usual suspects, the bitter pricks.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 29, 2024, 12:25:11 AMThe old psni to get a touch in the morning from the usual suspects, the bitter pricks.
How does Bryson get anything done? He seems to constantly go around looking for things to be offended at. Such a sad individual
Quote from: AustinPowers on July 29, 2024, 12:14:44 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on July 28, 2024, 10:56:54 PMGreat to see the PSNI getting into the spirit of things!
https://x.com/JamieBrysonCPNI/status/1817672809033699611 (https://x.com/JamieBrysonCPNI/status/1817672809033699611)
Where was that?
If anything, is this not a good thing for community/police relations?
It is in Camlough, some change from 30 or 40 years ago.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 28, 2024, 09:00:13 PMQuote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2024, 08:55:19 PMWell done Armagh, hard luck Galway.
Was a tense one but the Goal a major major score in a low scoring game like that.
Thought Galway stuck too much to "The plan" in the closing stages when maybe a bit of off the cuff madness might have caused Armagh problems.
Always nice to see a little County win Sam.
Walsh had a sideline kick in round the 21 in the last 5minutes when Galway were 1 point down in an All Ireland final.
He kicked it back to midfield.
Modern Gaelic Football is absolute madness.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 28, 2024, 09:00:13 PMQuote from: Rossfan on July 28, 2024, 08:55:19 PMWell done Armagh, hard luck Galway.
Was a tense one but the Goal a major major score in a low scoring game like that.
Thought Galway stuck too much to "The plan" in the closing stages when maybe a bit of off the cuff madness might have caused Armagh problems.
Always nice to see a little County win Sam.
Walsh had a sideline kick in round the 21 in the last 5minutes when Galway were 1 point down in an All Ireland final.
He kicked it back to midfield.
Modern Gaelic Football is absolute madness.
I would have thought someone else would have taken the line ball hitting it to Walsh in a central position??
Thiugh Hurson was poor, did Walsh not kick Barry at one stage?
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 29, 2024, 02:56:39 AMThiugh Hurson was poor, did Walsh not kick Barry at one stage?
Would have liked to see that incident again as it wouldn't be like McCambridge to throw himself to the ground and roll around like that but don't think there was anything significant in it at all.
What a day. Spent the last 10 minutes waiting for the gut punch, thankfully it never came, no doubt Galway will be sick as they had the chances but I thought Armagh were very brave all day, tactically spot on, match ups all worked out, we mixed it up all day, big calls on the subs and very noticeable how much faster we were going forward. I was delighted at half time, 6-6 and I thought we hadn't raised a gallop at that stage and looked very comfortable but it was just about getting over the line in the 2nd half, you'll win nothing without a bit of luck and we got ours.
Thought Conaty, Crealey, McKay were unreal, watching it back at home Paddy Burns had a stormer too, McElroy was involved so much more than I realised (never even knew there was a last ditch block til last night!). Thought Oisin ONeill had a big influence when he came on too.
For Galway DArcy, Conroy & Maher were superb. Watched Sean Kelly warming up before the match and thought he looked way off it and immobile, I was surprised (but quite happy) to see him coming on.
Armagh's strength in depth won it in the end, not specifically yesterday's game but overall, we've had different match winners on different days, there's always been someone to pick up the slack when a big gun hasn't fired. We're going to have to change our mentality about how we look at games, first 15 means nothing to this team, it is a 20 man team over 70 minutes. Delighted for McGeeney, he has got some stick over the years (myself included), but he's obviously a deep thinker as well as a great leader, I think the coaches he's brought in have helped take his rough edges off and developed the whole team.
Great day. 3 hours sleep and wide awake.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 29, 2024, 02:56:39 AMThiugh Hurson was poor, did Walsh not kick Barry at one stage?
As a neutral I thought he was very good. Not too many contentious decisions. One that went Armaghs way at a key time was when Jarly og was bundled over the end line and he gave a free out, I thought it was a Galway 45 myself.
Definitely feels like there has been a bit of a shift in Gaelic football towards the defensive side. The old cliche of needing 20 points to win the big games in Croke park is no longer true. 16 or 17 would nearly do it. The best sides this year in Armagh, Galway and Donegal do not give up goal chances due to how well they are structured in defence.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 28, 2024, 07:47:28 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on July 28, 2024, 05:56:53 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on July 28, 2024, 05:52:49 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on July 28, 2024, 05:51:13 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on July 28, 2024, 05:25:57 PMUlster football looking good! Clean up!
All Ireland County:
Senior: Armagh
U20 - Tyrone
U17 - Derry
All Ireland Club:
Senior - Glen (Derry)
Intermediate - Cullyhanna (Armagh) Junior - Arva (Cavan)...
Colleges:
Hogan Cup - Omagh CBS (Tyrone) Sigerson Cup - UUJ.
League:
Div 1 - Derry
Div 2 - Donegal
Tailteann Cup - Down.
Kimacud 7s: Dungannon Clarkes.
Ethan Rafferty won the All Ireland Road Bowls title as well
Ulster Poc Fada winner be the icing...
And the Scor novelty act will be the cherry on top
Dungannon won the Kilmacud 7s yesterday!
Ulster football is dominant.
I was listening to radio commentary on Cork v Donegal in the group stages and Tomas O'Se gave it the auld "ulster football looks good when they're playing each other, but you have wonder about the strength of it really...."
As a hurling man it wasn't the worst football match I've seen. One of the Galway attacks where they quickly moved the ball the full length of the field with some tight passing at speed and scored a point showed what the game of football could be. The slow build-up allowing the blanket defence to get in place seems to be what kills the excitement. All rule changes should be aimed towards stopping this happening.
Well done to Armagh.
Quote from: gallsman on July 29, 2024, 06:00:52 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 29, 2024, 02:56:39 AMThiugh Hurson was poor, did Walsh not kick Barry at one stage?
Would have liked to see that incident again as it wouldn't be like McCambridge to throw himself to the ground and roll around like that but don't think there was anything significant in it at all.
Got karma in the end anyway.
Yeah absolutely the last man who would do that.
Any cynicism in the Finnerty challenge.?
The Sunday game didn't show it last night.
From the only time I saw it , looked like the Armagh man went very low towards the knee on the tackle?
Congrats to Armagh the most composed and accurate team on the day. Has been some journey for them from those four penalty shootout losses to winning the All Ireland. I doubt before the game many expected 1-11 be enough to win All Ireland final and probably a hard one to explain for the amount of pundits/journalist that keep saying that teams needs to be hitting 20 points to be winning these games.
Galway while only lost by a point and had their chances to bring that game into extra time at least, in truth they never reached the performance levels that beat Donegal and Dublin. The way they conceded the goal was so unlike the defending they have done all championship and that goal proved to be the games key score. Much Like the Seagull a lot of Galway's best players was wandering round looking injured and struggled to make impact on the game.
Be interesting to see how both do next year. Last time Armagh won the All Ireland they were one win away from retaining it. Galway will likely be more hurt after that defeat than 2022 and need to look into their training methods as injuries has plagued them in the last two years.
Quote from: Mario on July 29, 2024, 07:21:30 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 29, 2024, 02:56:39 AMThiugh Hurson was poor, did Walsh not kick Barry at one stage?
As a neutral I thought he was very good. Not too many contentious decisions. One that went Armaghs way at a key time was when Jarly og was bundled over the end line and he gave a free out, I thought it was a Galway 45 myself.
Definitely feels like there has been a bit of a shift in Gaelic football towards the defensive side. The old cliche of needing 20 points to win the big games in Croke park is no longer true. 16 or 17 would nearly do it. The best sides this year in Armagh, Galway and Donegal do not give up goal chances due to how well they are structured in defence.
I agree. I thought Hurson did well.
It definately was a 45. Never a free out. Armagh were lucky with that at a crucial time but in saying that, there's a decent chance Galway wouldn't have score it anyway. Especially the way they were shooting was off at that stage of the game.
Quote from: onefineday on July 29, 2024, 07:39:20 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on July 28, 2024, 07:47:28 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on July 28, 2024, 05:56:53 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on July 28, 2024, 05:52:49 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on July 28, 2024, 05:51:13 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on July 28, 2024, 05:25:57 PMUlster football looking good! Clean up!
All Ireland County:
Senior: Armagh
U20 - Tyrone
U17 - Derry
All Ireland Club:
Senior - Glen (Derry)
Intermediate - Cullyhanna (Armagh) Junior - Arva (Cavan)...
Colleges:
Hogan Cup - Omagh CBS (Tyrone) Sigerson Cup - UUJ.
League:
Div 1 - Derry
Div 2 - Donegal
Tailteann Cup - Down.
Kimacud 7s: Dungannon Clarkes.
Ethan Rafferty won the All Ireland Road Bowls title as well
Ulster Poc Fada winner be the icing...
And the Scor novelty act will be the cherry on top
Dungannon won the Kilmacud 7s yesterday!
Ulster football is dominant.
I was listening to radio commentary on Cork v Donegal in the group stages and Tomas O'Se gave it the auld "ulster football looks good when they're playing each other, but you have wonder about the strength of it really...."
In reality, it's only one decent year for Ulster.
Bit silly, I think, getting high and mighty on one year over....140ish.
Maybe if we win 8 of out 10 All-Ireland, we can brag a bit.
Cahir O'Kane's report in the Irish News today is a thing of beauty
Quote from: marty34 on July 29, 2024, 08:06:40 AMQuote from: Mario on July 29, 2024, 07:21:30 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 29, 2024, 02:56:39 AMThiugh Hurson was poor, did Walsh not kick Barry at one stage?
As a neutral I thought he was very good. Not too many contentious decisions. One that went Armaghs way at a key time was when Jarly og was bundled over the end line and he gave a free out, I thought it was a Galway 45 myself.
Definitely feels like there has been a bit of a shift in Gaelic football towards the defensive side. The old cliche of needing 20 points to win the big games in Croke park is no longer true. 16 or 17 would nearly do it. The best sides this year in Armagh, Galway and Donegal do not give up goal chances due to how well they are structured in defence.
I agree. I thought Hurson did well.
It definately was a 45. Never a free out. Armagh were lucky with that at a crucial time but in saying that, there's a decent chance Galway wouldn't have score it anyway. Especially the way they were shooting was off at that stage of the game.
100% a free
Quote from: snoopdog on July 29, 2024, 07:53:01 AMAny cynicism in the Finnerty challenge.?
The Sunday game didn't show it last night.
From the only time I saw it , looked like the Armagh man went very low towards the knee on the tackle?
No I don't think so. Two players bending to lift a loose ball and Finerty got there marginally quicker. Certainly a foul, but nothing more
Quote from: Mad Mentor on July 29, 2024, 07:44:27 AMAs a hurling man it wasn't the worst football match I've seen. One of the Galway attacks where they quickly moved the ball the full length of the field with some tight passing at speed and scored a point showed what the game of football could be. The slow build-up allowing the blanket defence to get in place seems to be what kills the excitement. All rule changes should be aimed towards stopping this happening.
Well done to Armagh.
It certainly was never going to be a scoring shoot out but nonetheless an interesting contest which Armagh shaded both on the field and the scoreboard.
I can now see why counties are looking at outfield players to do goals, as there are very few goal scoring opportunities at the highest level.
Defences are on top.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 29, 2024, 08:27:16 AMQuote from: snoopdog on July 29, 2024, 07:53:01 AMAny cynicism in the Finnerty challenge.?
The Sunday game didn't show it last night.
From the only time I saw it , looked like the Armagh man went very low towards the knee on the tackle?
No I don't think so. Two players bending to lift a loose ball and Finerty got there marginally quicker. Certainly a foul, but nothing more
I think he had actually hurt the knee kicking the previous free. The Galway doctor apparently had said this.
Must have been carrying it into the game, massive loss to Galway.
Armagh deserving winners.
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 28, 2024, 05:38:09 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on July 28, 2024, 05:34:14 PMGeezer will be getting a big letter of apology in the morning from all his begrudgers
Wouldnt exactly be saying that. Hes been there for 10 years and relegated multiple times. Could easily have lost today but luckily galways shooting was horrendous
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 28, 2024, 06:05:39 PMDublin 7/8yrs ago would had both teams well beat by the 50min Mark. So the standard of fball has dropped well off.
or you are dealing with a once in a lifetime team.
Quote from: tiempo on July 28, 2024, 06:53:12 PMThere's no romance in Galway
At least Mayo had the good grace to die with their boots on
Fair to say neither of them teams will make the semi final next year
Galway with Kelly Walsh comer finnerty fully fit will be hard beat the hurt of yesterday should drive them on as well.
Quote from: David McKeown on July 28, 2024, 11:53:34 PMJust another two quick things.
1. Hurson had a very good game, a big improvement on his earlier performances.
2. The Galway fans are a great bunch, none of the ones near us left until after the presentation and I didn't see a single fan who didn't take the result with great dignity, not sure I could have been so magnanimous.
I'd second that couple lads from Galway behind me sound lads.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 29, 2024, 12:25:11 AMThe old psni to get a touch in the morning from the usual suspects, the bitter pricks.
Carla Lockhart at her work already absolute bigot.
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 29, 2024, 08:23:08 AMQuote from: marty34 on July 29, 2024, 08:06:40 AMQuote from: Mario on July 29, 2024, 07:21:30 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 29, 2024, 02:56:39 AMThiugh Hurson was poor, did Walsh not kick Barry at one stage?
As a neutral I thought he was very good. Not too many contentious decisions. One that went Armaghs way at a key time was when Jarly og was bundled over the end line and he gave a free out, I thought it was a Galway 45 myself.
Definitely feels like there has been a bit of a shift in Gaelic football towards the defensive side. The old cliche of needing 20 points to win the big games in Croke park is no longer true. 16 or 17 would nearly do it. The best sides this year in Armagh, Galway and Donegal do not give up goal chances due to how well they are structured in defence.
I agree. I thought Hurson did well.
It definately was a 45. Never a free out. Armagh were lucky with that at a crucial time but in saying that, there's a decent chance Galway wouldn't have score it anyway. Especially the way they were shooting was off at that stage of the game.
100% a free
Thought he overcarried myself but do not give one f**k
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 29, 2024, 12:25:11 AMThe old psni to get a touch in the morning from the usual suspects, the bitter pricks.
Fair play to them, do more for community relations in South Armagh than any politician .
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 28, 2024, 05:38:09 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on July 28, 2024, 05:34:14 PMGeezer will be getting a big letter of apology in the morning from all his begrudgers
Wouldnt exactly be saying that. Hes been there for 10 years and relegated multiple times. Could easily have lost today but luckily galways shooting was horrendous
Yeah hes useless...
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 28, 2024, 05:21:15 PMKerry were better than them and they were poor today and still hung in there.
Shane Walsh still a great player btw.
Shane Walsh is the most hot and cold player I've ever seen. If he'd half the bottle and guts of the likes of Conroy and Maher he'd win All Irelands on his own. Flakey is how I'd describe him.
Quote from: gallsman on July 28, 2024, 05:23:48 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on July 28, 2024, 05:21:15 PMShane Walsh still a great player btw.
For sure, but there's no pretending he wasn't every bit as bad today as he was brilliant two years ago. Comer was anonymous but Walsh was actively detrimental to them. We'll never know but the early injury to Finnerty could have been the difference.
Feel very sorry for John Maher. Thought he was the best player on the pitch.
Yeah thought it a strange decision not to mark him or Conroy, only players Galway had!
Quote from: thewobbler on July 28, 2024, 05:28:38 PMArmagh's bench won that game, as they did the last. Looks like I'll have to give Geezer some proper credit for spotting and implementing the key to Dublin's success.
Aaron McKay likely a shoo-in for man of the match, I'd think. Not too many starters on either side - Conroy aside - in contention.
First half was brutal. Second half was entertaining. Walsh will be kicking himself tonight.
I'd say he'll miss
Quote from: statto on July 29, 2024, 08:56:17 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on July 29, 2024, 12:25:11 AMThe old psni to get a touch in the morning from the usual suspects, the bitter pricks.
Carla Lockhart at her work already absolute bigot.
A bad article is what Brolly called her and that she is.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 29, 2024, 08:58:42 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on July 28, 2024, 05:38:09 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on July 28, 2024, 05:34:14 PMGeezer will be getting a big letter of apology in the morning from all his begrudgers
Wouldnt exactly be saying that. Hes been there for 10 years and relegated multiple times. Could easily have lost today but luckily galways shooting was horrendous
Yeah hes useless...
Can you honestly say you were 100% happy with him and his performances over the past 10 years. Everything i said was factual, relegated multiple times and if shane walsh converted 30% of those chances instead of 20% of them galway would have won.
It doesn't take anything away from armagh
Quote from: statto on July 29, 2024, 08:50:08 AMQuote from: tiempo on July 28, 2024, 06:53:12 PMThere's no romance in Galway
At least Mayo had the good grace to die with their boots on
Fair to say neither of them teams will make the semi final next year
Galway with Kelly Walsh comer finnerty fully fit will be hard beat the hurt of yesterday should drive them on as well.
Walsh and Comer are another year older next year. I'd have no confidence they will be fully fit consistently. This year is actually the year they've played together the most probably and how many top performances have they had between the two of them. 1 each maybe.
I think Comer is just one of these people who will always be troubled by injury and Walsh probably the same. Finnerty has been riddled with injuries for at least two years too. He's a great footballer who was only able to get going this year after a lot of bother with injuries then gets another one. He's probably young enough that he could be ok but the other two less so I would think. Walsh never gets a break with Kilmacaud too which probably doesn't help.
Kelly maybe more unfortunate. Not sure he has had as many injuries.
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 29, 2024, 09:06:52 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 29, 2024, 08:58:42 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on July 28, 2024, 05:38:09 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on July 28, 2024, 05:34:14 PMGeezer will be getting a big letter of apology in the morning from all his begrudgers
Wouldnt exactly be saying that. Hes been there for 10 years and relegated multiple times. Could easily have lost today but luckily galways shooting was horrendous
Yeah hes useless...
Can you honestly say you were 100% happy with him and his performances over the past 10 years. Everything i said was factual, relegated multiple times and if shane walsh converted 30% of those chances instead of 20% of them galway would have won.
It doesn't take anything away from armagh
He's made mistakes along the line but think he has an excellent year this year with matchups and making right subs at right time.He has got all the best available players in Armagh in the main invested in the county team and subsequently got his rewards yesterday.Armagh have been poor at underage throughout his tenure but he has been able to get a couple of the better players through off these teams.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 29, 2024, 09:01:28 AMQuote from: thewobbler on July 28, 2024, 05:28:38 PMArmagh's bench won that game, as they did the last. Looks like I'll have to give Geezer some proper credit for spotting and implementing the key to Dublin's success.
Aaron McKay likely a shoo-in for man of the match, I'd think. Not too many starters on either side - Conroy aside - in contention.
First half was brutal. Second half was entertaining. Walsh will be kicking himself tonight.
I'd say he'll miss
You're in fine form today Armagh18 😂😂
Quote from: Mario on July 29, 2024, 09:07:51 AMQuote from: statto on July 29, 2024, 08:50:08 AMQuote from: tiempo on July 28, 2024, 06:53:12 PMThere's no romance in Galway
At least Mayo had the good grace to die with their boots on
Fair to say neither of them teams will make the semi final next year
Galway with Kelly Walsh comer finnerty fully fit will be hard beat the hurt of yesterday should drive them on as well.
Walsh and Comer are another year older next year. I'd have no confidence they will be fully fit consistently. This year is actually the year they've played together the most probably and how many top performances have they had between the two of them. 1 each maybe.
Both missed chunks of the league and both been carrying injuries all year. A fully fit Comer is a massive addition to that Galway team, Walsh is a different matter. There's no doubting that Walsh is enigmatic, can have moments of genius and even a game of genius, but you'd have to wonder if he's a luxury that teams wanting to win an all Ireland can't afford any longer.
On form, he's definitely one of the players we want to see, but it just happens too rarely, maybe a role as an impact sub in the future?
They wouldn't have beat Dublin without him.
I don't think him or Comer have been properly fit in 2 years. Finnerty only just this year.
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 29, 2024, 09:06:52 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 29, 2024, 08:58:42 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on July 28, 2024, 05:38:09 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on July 28, 2024, 05:34:14 PMGeezer will be getting a big letter of apology in the morning from all his begrudgers
Wouldnt exactly be saying that. Hes been there for 10 years and relegated multiple times. Could easily have lost today but luckily galways shooting was horrendous
Yeah hes useless...
Can you honestly say you were 100% happy with him and his performances over the past 10 years. Everything i said was factual, relegated multiple times and if shane walsh converted 30% of those chances instead of 20% of them galway would have won.
It doesn't take anything away from armagh
If you'd offered any Armagh supporter in 2014 that they would have the highs and lows of the past 10 years and end up with an All Ireland in 2024 they'd have snapped both your hands off like 30 other counties in Ireland.
You can go through every All Ireland final and there are ifs and buts and wides and misses - it doesn't matter one jot.
Quote from: square_ball on July 29, 2024, 09:22:55 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on July 29, 2024, 09:06:52 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 29, 2024, 08:58:42 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on July 28, 2024, 05:38:09 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on July 28, 2024, 05:34:14 PMGeezer will be getting a big letter of apology in the morning from all his begrudgers
Wouldnt exactly be saying that. Hes been there for 10 years and relegated multiple times. Could easily have lost today but luckily galways shooting was horrendous
Yeah hes useless...
Can you honestly say you were 100% happy with him and his performances over the past 10 years. Everything i said was factual, relegated multiple times and if shane walsh converted 30% of those chances instead of 20% of them galway would have won.
It doesn't take anything away from armagh
If you'd offered any Armagh supporter in 2014 that they would have the highs and lows of the past 10 years and end up with an All Ireland in 2024 they'd have snapped both your hands off like 30 other counties in Ireland.
You can go through every All Ireland final and there are ifs and buts and wides and misses - it doesn't matter one jot.
Don't engage the trolls mate
Was speaking to a Galway man at the end. Very gracious. Said he didn't begrudge us one bit. Easy to say now but I'd like to think I'd have been the same had it not gone our way. The Galway fans were brilliant yesterday. I loved Joyce as a player. I really hope they can win an AI
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 29, 2024, 09:29:27 AMQuote from: square_ball on July 29, 2024, 09:22:55 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on July 29, 2024, 09:06:52 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 29, 2024, 08:58:42 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on July 28, 2024, 05:38:09 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on July 28, 2024, 05:34:14 PMGeezer will be getting a big letter of apology in the morning from all his begrudgers
Wouldnt exactly be saying that. Hes been there for 10 years and relegated multiple times. Could easily have lost today but luckily galways shooting was horrendous
Yeah hes useless...
Can you honestly say you were 100% happy with him and his performances over the past 10 years. Everything i said was factual, relegated multiple times and if shane walsh converted 30% of those chances instead of 20% of them galway would have won.
It doesn't take anything away from armagh
If you'd offered any Armagh supporter in 2014 that they would have the highs and lows of the past 10 years and end up with an All Ireland in 2024 they'd have snapped both your hands off like 30 other counties in Ireland.
You can go through every All Ireland final and there are ifs and buts and wides and misses - it doesn't matter one jot.
Don't engage the trolls mate
Plus when Galway scored Armagh responded. If Walsh had a higher conversion rate I still think Armagh wold have found a way to respond.
I like Galway myself, and Joyce, and hope they win it in the next few years.
As harmless as it was how f**king dense were those cops waving flags, surely they knew the Jim Allisters of this place would jump on it
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 29, 2024, 09:41:04 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on July 29, 2024, 09:29:27 AMQuote from: square_ball on July 29, 2024, 09:22:55 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on July 29, 2024, 09:06:52 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 29, 2024, 08:58:42 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on July 28, 2024, 05:38:09 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on July 28, 2024, 05:34:14 PMGeezer will be getting a big letter of apology in the morning from all his begrudgers
Wouldnt exactly be saying that. Hes been there for 10 years and relegated multiple times. Could easily have lost today but luckily galways shooting was horrendous
Yeah hes useless...
Can you honestly say you were 100% happy with him and his performances over the past 10 years. Everything i said was factual, relegated multiple times and if shane walsh converted 30% of those chances instead of 20% of them galway would have won.
It doesn't take anything away from armagh
If you'd offered any Armagh supporter in 2014 that they would have the highs and lows of the past 10 years and end up with an All Ireland in 2024 they'd have snapped both your hands off like 30 other counties in Ireland.
You can go through every All Ireland final and there are ifs and buts and wides and misses - it doesn't matter one jot.
Don't engage the trolls mate
Plus when Galway scored Armagh responded. If Walsh had a higher conversion rate I still think Armagh wold have found a way to respond.
I like Galway myself, and Joyce, and hope they win it in the next few years.
Likewise. His Galway team which won in 98 and 01 were superb to watch. Barring one game obviously haha.
Quote from: Brendan on July 29, 2024, 09:45:06 AMAs harmless as it was how f**king dense were those cops waving flags, surely they knew the Jim Allisters of this place would jump on it
A bit daft alright. Internal investigation now too. And it was harmless ffs
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 29, 2024, 08:57:54 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on July 29, 2024, 12:25:11 AMThe old psni to get a touch in the morning from the usual suspects, the bitter pricks.
Fair play to them, do more for community relations in South Armagh than any politician .
Sums up the unionists
That will do more for community relations than anything they will ever do !
Head bouncing what a day
It was a strange enough final in the sense that the lads that were expected to step up and put on a show really didn't. Comer, Walsh (aside from one great point), O'Neill (same as Walsh), Finnerty (off injured early on), Grugan, Turbitt and Murnin, none of them put in the performance that you would've expected or hoped for.
Can you imagine the offered odds before the game of those lads, as a collective, only scoring 2 points from play between them.
Outside of that, Armagh won and thats all that really matters.
O'Neill may only have got the 1 point but he was crucial throughout as a creator and facilitator. He's matured massively this year and has been exceptional at 11
Yesterday just goes to show the importance of a reliable free taker when the pressure is on. Shane Walsh made some strange decisions on frees. The two he missed in first half were crucial, can't understand why Tierney didn't hit the left sided one & why Walsh didn't steal 4/5 yards in the run up from the one near cusack stand side to make it a formality. For me Galway win the game if they nail them 2 scores.
Quote from: gallsman on July 29, 2024, 10:06:14 AMO'Neill may only have got the 1 point but he was crucial throughout as a creator and facilitator. He's matured massively this year and has been exceptional at 11
I might be wrong with the in game nerves but did Rian score a beaut from one side of the pitch and Oisin matched it at the other side?
Quote from: Brendan on July 29, 2024, 09:45:06 AMAs harmless as it was how f**king dense were those cops waving flags, surely they knew the Jim Allisters of this place would jump on it
Armagh make people loose the run of themselves.
O'Neill's role has changed greatly - he sits very deep. He was very good yesterday and Silke maybe didn't have a huge influence which he can sometimes have. His role wouldn't really be comparable to Walsh's.
On the frees thing Armagh had one scoreable free and one scoreable mark. Rare you'd see a team with so little. (Grimley could have had a mark for his point too).
Quote from: Solo_run on July 29, 2024, 10:08:33 AMQuote from: gallsman on July 29, 2024, 10:06:14 AMO'Neill may only have got the 1 point but he was crucial throughout as a creator and facilitator. He's matured massively this year and has been exceptional at 11
I might be wrong with the in game nerves but did Rian score a beaut from one side of the pitch and Oisin matched it at the other side?
Rians infront of the Hogan was the point of the day for sure.
It was almost a carbon copy of his shot that fell short for the goal against Kerry. Oisin's was every bit as good.
Grimleys point was brilliant as well following the long kick pass by Oisin O'Neill.
Quote from: Low and Hard on July 29, 2024, 10:08:13 AMYesterday just goes to show the importance of a reliable free taker when the pressure is on. Shane Walsh made some strange decisions on frees. The two he missed in first half were crucial, can't understand why Tierney didn't hit the left sided one & why Walsh didn't steal 4/5 yards in the run up from the one near cusack stand side to make it a formality. For me Galway win the game if they nail them 2 scores.
Agree they will really rue those misses, shows exactly how important the frees are in low scoring games like that. Hard to begrudge Armagh really but Galway will surely feel it was going to be their year after dethroning Dublin and beating Donegal.
I always felt Armagh were capable of at least making finals if they got it together as they have a very strong forward line and about 20 something players that can really be effective so strong from the bench too. You just can't rely on a couple of star forwards at that level, every forward and attacking player needs to chip in scores. That's another reason Dublin were so hard to stop due to the depth.
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 29, 2024, 09:29:27 AMQuote from: square_ball on July 29, 2024, 09:22:55 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on July 29, 2024, 09:06:52 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 29, 2024, 08:58:42 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on July 28, 2024, 05:38:09 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on July 28, 2024, 05:34:14 PMGeezer will be getting a big letter of apology in the morning from all his begrudgers
Wouldnt exactly be saying that. Hes been there for 10 years and relegated multiple times. Could easily have lost today but luckily galways shooting was horrendous
Yeah hes useless...
Can you honestly say you were 100% happy with him and his performances over the past 10 years. Everything i said was factual, relegated multiple times and if shane walsh converted 30% of those chances instead of 20% of them galway would have won.
It doesn't take anything away from armagh
If you'd offered any Armagh supporter in 2014 that they would have the highs and lows of the past 10 years and end up with an All Ireland in 2024 they'd have snapped both your hands off like 30 other counties in Ireland.
You can go through every All Ireland final and there are ifs and buts and wides and misses - it doesn't matter one jot.
Don't engage the trolls mate
Can't be a troll for point out the obvious facts lol. Actually I thought armagh could have won an AI 2-3 years ago if they had been a little bit more quicker going forward.
Quote from: Solo_run on July 29, 2024, 10:08:33 AMQuote from: gallsman on July 29, 2024, 10:06:14 AMO'Neill may only have got the 1 point but he was crucial throughout as a creator and facilitator. He's matured massively this year and has been exceptional at 11
I might be wrong with the in game nerves but did Rian score a beaut from one side of the pitch and Oisin matched it at the other side?
Correct. Two great scores. Oisín's ended up the winner
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 29, 2024, 10:50:29 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on July 29, 2024, 09:29:27 AMQuote from: square_ball on July 29, 2024, 09:22:55 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on July 29, 2024, 09:06:52 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 29, 2024, 08:58:42 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on July 28, 2024, 05:38:09 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on July 28, 2024, 05:34:14 PMGeezer will be getting a big letter of apology in the morning from all his begrudgers
Wouldnt exactly be saying that. Hes been there for 10 years and relegated multiple times. Could easily have lost today but luckily galways shooting was horrendous
Yeah hes useless...
Can you honestly say you were 100% happy with him and his performances over the past 10 years. Everything i said was factual, relegated multiple times and if shane walsh converted 30% of those chances instead of 20% of them galway would have won.
It doesn't take anything away from armagh
If you'd offered any Armagh supporter in 2014 that they would have the highs and lows of the past 10 years and end up with an All Ireland in 2024 they'd have snapped both your hands off like 30 other counties in Ireland.
You can go through every All Ireland final and there are ifs and buts and wides and misses - it doesn't matter one jot.
Don't engage the trolls mate
Can't be a troll for point out the obvious facts lol. Actually I thought armagh could have won an AI 2-3 years ago if they had been a little bit more quicker going forward.
Fair enough. Could be mixing you up with a different Tyrone poster. Yeah I think you're right about that last point
Quote from: gallsman on July 29, 2024, 10:06:14 AMO'Neill may only have got the 1 point but he was crucial throughout as a creator and facilitator. He's matured massively this year and has been exceptional at 11
A proper leader and probably the most physical man playing in Ireland. Lads bounce off him. And that point was as good as any you'll see
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 29, 2024, 11:17:32 AMQuote from: gallsman on July 29, 2024, 10:06:14 AMO'Neill may only have got the 1 point but he was crucial throughout as a creator and facilitator. He's matured massively this year and has been exceptional at 11
A proper leader and probably the most physical man playing in Ireland. Lads bounce off him. And that point was as good as any you'll see
His transformation this year has been superb
Have any other footballers an All-Ireland medal and a Division 3 medal like a good bunch of the Armagh players have?
Quote from: blanketattack on July 29, 2024, 11:57:18 AMHave any other footballers an All-Ireland medal and a Division 3 medal like a good bunch of the Armagh players have?
Would Donegal have been division 3 with any of the 2012 lads? Trying to think of recent winners that were at a low ebb
Donegal were Divison 2 Winners.. They won in old days of 1a/1b 2a/2b. Think Armagh and maybe some of the Glenn players for Derry and St Brigids players for Roscommon would be the only ones (If you include club All_Ireland medals)
Congrats to Armagh, serious admiration for the squad and management to keep going to the well after those tight defeats (well draws if you're from Armagh ;D).. Inspirational stuff and a great example to other counties of what can happen if players stick together and have a united goal. Enjoy the celebrations, they'll be whole new generation of wains getting their pick taken sitting in the Sam Maguire Cup
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 29, 2024, 12:51:10 PMDonegal were Divison 2 Winners.. They won in old days of 1a/1b 2a/2b. Think Armagh and maybe some of the Glenn players for Derry and St Brigids players for Roscommon would be the only ones (If you include club All_Ireland medals)
A few of our 1992 team would have played Division 3 in the 80s. Not sure if they topped their group though, and I think at that point qualifiers from all the divisions went into the one knockout series anyway.
Don't think we've dropped below Division 2 since those days.
Congratulations Armagh, really kept the heads in the final and didn't panic like days of old. Held the discipline too so should be full commended for the performance.
Deserved the win on the day and noone could begrudge you the title. Enjoy the celebrations and the memories.
I have to say it would have brought a tear to the eye to see Jarlath Burns fighting through the crowd to find Jarly Og. Some memories for that household.
All this chit chat and no one's mentioned the former Gaaboard legend Tony Fearon 🤣🤣, quick look at his fb and he was at match anyway
As you were 🤝
Well done Armagh. Great performance, full of composure. Not generally a fan of Rian O'Neill but he stood up as a real leader yesterday. It's the first final I've been at in a few years and the atmosphere was unbelievable. The noise at the final whistle was deafening. I forgot how hair raising the parade actually is!
I posted this up a few week ago already, probably the best article I've seen on McGeeney and more fitting than ever now that he's led Armagh to the promised land.
From the belfast telegraph
Armagh fans should realise just how lucky they are to have Kieran McGeeney
Ten years ago, Kieran McGeeney took charge of an Armagh team that was haunted by the ghosts of past success, and the generation of Orchard fans that became accustomed to watching great teams in the Noughties were not willing to lower their expectations.
Once in a generation players like Oisin McConville, Steven McDonnell and Francie Bellew all happened to be lining out at the same time and with Joe Kernan at the helm, they had the greatest manager in their history in place to guide them.
It was a magical time and although this team only reached two All-Ireland Finals (winning one), they had some massive days on the journey and lifted five Ulster titles in the process.
Father Time wasn't willing to press pause however and as each gifted player went through the revolving exit door, year by year the team as a whole began to deteriorate.
Eventually the unthinkable happened, and this once proud footballing powerhouse found itself in Division Three, with little to no hope of winning anything, and fans only found joy by looking backwards rather than forwards.
So, who better to bridge the gap between the golden generation and the new hopefuls coming through than McGeeney, the man who captained that fantastic side and whose leadership qualities are famous in GAA circles?
The Armagh legend had recently brought pride back into the county of Kildare, leading them to an All-Ireland Semi-Final, which they infamously lost against Donegal in 2011, and the Leinster side has been crying out for someone like him ever since.
The reality of the situation in Armagh is this — they haven't won an Ulster title since 2008, haven't featured in an All-Ireland Final since 2003, haven't reached an All-Ireland Semi-Final since 2005 and have had zero success at minor level since 2009.
If we're being brutally honest, McGeeney hasn't had a lot to work with. There hasn't been a new young crop of promising players all coming at once, and even Crossmaglen's famous dominance in the county has stalled, so they are no longer churning out superstars that compete in Ulster Club and All-Ireland Championships on the regular anymore.
Despite this, McGeeney has created a squad that has now found its way back into the very top division. They have played in back-to-back Ulster Finals, losing both on penalties, and on Saturday he brought them to their first All-Ireland Semi-Final in 19 years.
The former Na Fianna star's biggest quality is his ability to retain players. While the likes of Tyrone and Derry seem to have an exodus of stars every single season, Armagh hang on to their main men, even when their roles have been relegated to coming off the bench.
This means they have built a squad of great depth, resolve and versatility, as they can play multiple brands of football, depending on the opposition they face.
Yes, he has been given the time to do this, and if they had won just one of the four penalty shoot-outs that they've lost in the last three years, they would be even further ahead on this journey still, but they have got there now nonetheless.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I was scrolling through social media after the Ulster Final two months ago that saw Donegal beat Armagh in a shoot-out, and fans from the county were demanding that he leaves his job as manager.
This is a team that has won a grand total of one All-Ireland title — their fans are not in a position to be as entitled as that, in my opinion.
Every year they come back a little bit better, a little bit sharper and a little bit closer to success and in my book, that's progress. As far as I'm concerned, Armagh fans should be hoping that this incredible journey that they have been on in recent years doesn't come to an end because if McGeeney does decide to leave, then it just might.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 29, 2024, 02:24:44 PMAll this chit chat and no one's mentioned the former Gaaboard legend Tony Fearon 🤣🤣, quick look at his fb and he was at match anyway
As you were 🤝
He of booking the wrong weekend in the City West fame?
Quote from: johnnycool on July 29, 2024, 03:08:43 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 29, 2024, 02:24:44 PMAll this chit chat and no one's mentioned the former Gaaboard legend Tony Fearon 🤣🤣, quick look at his fb and he was at match anyway
As you were 🤝
He of booking the wrong weekend in the City West fame?
That's the one 🤓 he deffo made the match, whether he sorted the hotel correctly is another matter lol
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 29, 2024, 03:21:16 PMQuote from: johnnycool on July 29, 2024, 03:08:43 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 29, 2024, 02:24:44 PMAll this chit chat and no one's mentioned the former Gaaboard legend Tony Fearon 🤣🤣, quick look at his fb and he was at match anyway
As you were 🤝
He of booking the wrong weekend in the City West fame?
That's the one 🤓 he deffo made the match, whether he sorted the hotel correctly is another matter lol
I met Tony on Jones' Road and he's doing well.
When I see him again I'll tell him you're all asking about him.
For those that want to re-live the whole day. Great video by Killian.
Anyone sober enough to watch that?
Quote from: Orior on July 29, 2024, 03:56:32 PMFor those that want to re-live the whole day. Great video by Killian.
All it's missing is another good pitch celebration. At Least Armagh have those 2002 memories!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJY48z8WgAAFhSF.jpg)
How did the flasher woman get a ticket?
She was either Upper Hogan or Upper Cusack.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 29, 2024, 04:27:25 PMQuote from: Orior on July 29, 2024, 03:56:32 PMFor those that want to re-live the whole day. Great video by Killian.
All it's missing is another good pitch celebration. At Least Armagh have those 2002 memories!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJY48z8WgAAFhSF.jpg)
I was surprised there wasn't one. Was hoping for it tbh
I do miss the pitch invasions myself - however I can understand why they don't happen. (Outside of health & safety) The panel/coaches/backroom team won it together and should have a chance to celebrate together and soak it all in. Do however think that players/staff Family should be allowed on the pitch as they've been there with them through good times/bad times of that season.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 29, 2024, 10:11:52 AMO'Neill's role has changed greatly - he sits very deep. He was very good yesterday and Silke maybe didn't have a huge influence which he can sometimes have. His role wouldn't really be comparable to Walsh's.
On the frees thing Armagh had one scoreable free and one scoreable mark. Rare you'd see a team with so little. (Grimley could have had a mark for his point too).
Hurson was playing advantage for the free at that stage. Don't know if Grimley knew that.
Tell Tony we didnt know how lucky we were, to have him, when u see the shit posed on the America politics thread, it's been awhile lol.
Just catching up on this thread now. Some criticism of the match is a bit harsh. From what I saw it looked like Armagh were much more direct in their play. After the first ten minutes I was starting to believe Armagh would win it because they were taking less than a minute to get a score, as opposed to Galway taking several minutes to footer their way up the field and passing back-and-forth for ages before finally trying a shot.
Armagh would occasionally take their time to build up, but once the forwards were in a scoring formation then it was usually full steam ahead and not as much dithering about as on the Galway side.
I don't think it's fair to compare football to hurling, or any sport to each other for that matter. Each sport has its own selling points. Soccer doesn't have rapid-fire scoring, but it gets its excitement from the suspense and the high value of each score. Even Cricket can be exciting if you know what's going on. Gaelic football is exciting in its own way when it's played properly, it's just a different kind of excitement from hurling. Yes a lot of games this year have been in slow motion, but yesterday the slow stuff looked to me like it was mostly on the Galway side, it cost them as a result, and it showed that "puke football" doesn't always win games.
All this talk about changing the rules is misguided IMHO. I've seen Armagh innovate their way out of dour football before. Remember the blanket defence where whoever caught the ball would be swarmed and surrounded? Before the mark was introduced, Armagh found a way around it by going up for the high ball and deflecting it down to a loose teammate. Yesterday they showed the value of the kind of high-paced game that the people want to watch.
I agree that the commentary over the top of everything is annoying. You've got plenty of time to build up the match, but let the TV viewers get some sense of the pomp and ceremony of the occasion. Let's see the teams bursting onto the field (which the GAA does better than any other sport including soccer IMHO - nothing as dull as a pair of teams walking onto the field together). Let's hear the names of the jubilee team. Let's hear all the speeches.
Someone says Jarlath "likes the sound of his own voice." Seems like he's bate both ways there. If he were a bad orator then you'd be complaining about that too. There was nothing wrong with his speeches yesterday or last week. He's an inspirational speaker, fair play to him, and to hell with the begrudgers.
Up Armagh.
Eamon I'm sure thats a great post but I will read it on Thursday or so
Quote from: Orior on July 29, 2024, 04:37:54 PMHow did the flasher woman get a ticket?
She was either Upper Hogan or Upper Cusack.
Disgusted. Absolutely disgusted. She hadn't shaved the pits
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 29, 2024, 06:17:39 PMQuote from: Orior on July 29, 2024, 04:37:54 PMHow did the flasher woman get a ticket?
She was either Upper Hogan or Upper Cusack.
Disgusted. Absolutely disgusted. She hadn't shaved the pits
Is it the same orange woman who was at the 12th?
I checked a few times and can't make my mind up
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2024, 06:48:40 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 29, 2024, 06:17:39 PMQuote from: Orior on July 29, 2024, 04:37:54 PMHow did the flasher woman get a ticket?
She was either Upper Hogan or Upper Cusack.
Disgusted. Absolutely disgusted. She hadn't shaved the pits
Is it the same orange woman who was at the 12th?
I checked a few times and can't make my mind up
Yeah it's her. Is she an attention seeker or someone with mental health issues? Who knows but she should have been no where near the game.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 29, 2024, 06:54:32 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2024, 06:48:40 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 29, 2024, 06:17:39 PMQuote from: Orior on July 29, 2024, 04:37:54 PMHow did the flasher woman get a ticket?
She was either Upper Hogan or Upper Cusack.
Disgusted. Absolutely disgusted. She hadn't shaved the pits
Is it the same orange woman who was at the 12th?
I checked a few times and can't make my mind up
Yeah it's her. Is she an attention seeker or someone with mental health issues? Who knows but she should have been no where near the game.
Apparently there's a site she's on. A social over 18's site
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 29, 2024, 06:54:32 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2024, 06:48:40 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 29, 2024, 06:17:39 PMQuote from: Orior on July 29, 2024, 04:37:54 PMHow did the flasher woman get a ticket?
She was either Upper Hogan or Upper Cusack.
Disgusted. Absolutely disgusted. She hadn't shaved the pits
Is it the same orange woman who was at the 12th?
I checked a few times and can't make my mind up
Yeah it's her. Is she an attention seeker or someone with mental health issues? Who knows but she should have been no where near the game.
she probably has photographs of someone entitled to a ticket...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2024, 07:24:59 PMQuote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 29, 2024, 06:54:32 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2024, 06:48:40 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 29, 2024, 06:17:39 PMQuote from: Orior on July 29, 2024, 04:37:54 PMHow did the flasher woman get a ticket?
She was either Upper Hogan or Upper Cusack.
Disgusted. Absolutely disgusted. She hadn't shaved the pits
Is it the same orange woman who was at the 12th?
I checked a few times and can't make my mind up
Yeah it's her. Is she an attention seeker or someone with mental health issues? Who knows but she should have been no where near the game.
Apparently there's a site she's on. A social over 18's site
So have copied Premier League for this carry on.
Flasher woman. G there some bad videos doing the rounds on twitter[X] of rows last night.
As for the flasher,after 2 weeks ago, I say it looking more like she not wise!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 29, 2024, 09:13:14 PMFlasher woman. G there sone bad videos doing the rounds on twitter[X] of rows last night.
Saw the rows videos.. Disgrace some of them. Toddler on top of there mum trying to stop a fight would make your blood boil
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 29, 2024, 09:26:59 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on July 29, 2024, 09:13:14 PMFlasher woman. G there sone bad videos doing the rounds on twitter[X] of rows last night.
Saw the rows videos.. Disgrace some of them. Toddler on top of there mum trying to stop a fight would make your blood boil
Link?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2024, 09:27:39 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on July 29, 2024, 09:26:59 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on July 29, 2024, 09:13:14 PMFlasher woman. G there sone bad videos doing the rounds on twitter[X] of rows last night.
Saw the rows videos.. Disgrace some of them. Toddler on top of there mum trying to stop a fight would make your blood boil
Link?
https://x.com/purplestandard/status/1817874615911264739?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg
Excuse the account that tweeted it - Don't know how it popped on my For You feed 😂
That's bonkers
Great material for accounts like that. The police stuff and this getting them on overdrive and apparently Nolan going to town on things today too. You have 50k plus supporters so you are bound to have some trouble plus it's not like some of those places wouldn't have bother on the average Saturday night anyway...
The seagull is on the mend:
https://x.com/wildlifekildare/status/1818008682694652331?s=46&t=upCstAqzkTQY5JtOIziaYg
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2024, 09:51:44 PMThat's bonkers
Those supporters can't contain their excitement for the McKenna / NFL throwing in.. Getting jittery
I'm told that for the first time since 1888 none of the AI winning players in Hurling or Football have a Provincial Senior Medal😲
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2024, 11:15:58 PMI'm told that for the first time since 1888 none of the AI winning players in Hurling or Football have a Provincial Senior Medal😲
Tony Kelly, O'Donnell never won?
Quote from: weareros on July 29, 2024, 10:48:04 PMThe seagull is on the mend:
https://x.com/wildlifekildare/status/1818008682694652331?s=46&t=upCstAqzkTQY5JtOIziaYg
Bird's eye view.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GTlXjBAXgAAoWiZ?format=jpg&name=medium)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2024, 11:20:39 PMQuote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2024, 11:15:58 PMI'm told that for the first time since 1888 none of the AI winning players in Hurling or Football have a Provincial Senior Medal😲
Tony Kelly, O'Donnell never won?
I don't think Clare won one this Century....?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2024, 11:28:42 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2024, 11:20:39 PMQuote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2024, 11:15:58 PMI'm told that for the first time since 1888 none of the AI winning players in Hurling or Football have a Provincial Senior Medal😲
Tony Kelly, O'Donnell never won?
I don't think Clare won one this Century....?
Clare haven't won Munster since 1998
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2024, 11:15:58 PMI'm told that for the first time since 1888 none of the AI winning players in Hurling or Football have a Provincial Senior Medal😲
True but before 1997 hurling and 2001 football it wasn't possible to have an All Ireland medal without winning the province first...
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 29, 2024, 11:27:11 PMQuote from: weareros on July 29, 2024, 10:48:04 PMThe seagull is on the mend:
https://x.com/wildlifekildare/status/1818008682694652331?s=46&t=upCstAqzkTQY5JtOIziaYg
Bird's eye view.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GTlXjBAXgAAoWiZ?format=jpg&name=medium)
Apparently he's a cousin of hawkeye.
Quote from: Orior on July 30, 2024, 09:37:04 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on July 29, 2024, 11:27:11 PMQuote from: weareros on July 29, 2024, 10:48:04 PMThe seagull is on the mend:
https://x.com/wildlifekildare/status/1818008682694652331?s=46&t=upCstAqzkTQY5JtOIziaYg
Bird's eye view.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GTlXjBAXgAAoWiZ?format=jpg&name=medium)
Apparently he's a cousin of hawkeye.
Apparently he'd more touches than Shane Walsh
Quote from: J70 on July 29, 2024, 01:34:43 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on July 29, 2024, 12:51:10 PMDonegal were Divison 2 Winners.. They won in old days of 1a/1b 2a/2b. Think Armagh and maybe some of the Glenn players for Derry and St Brigids players for Roscommon would be the only ones (If you include club All_Ireland medals)
A few of our 1992 team would have played Division 3 in the 80s. Not sure if they topped their group though, and I think at that point qualifiers from all the divisions went into the one knockout series anyway.
Don't think we've dropped below Division 2 since those days.
Armagh are probably the first to actually have Div 3 medals to win an All-Ireland.
Some teams have won All-Irelands from Div 3, such as Kerry in 1969 (who also won the league) but the divisions were geographically based then.
The concept of a Div 3 final with a trophy and medals is a relatively new concept. Previously the most a Div 3 winner would get was a place in the league 1/4 final.
Congratulations to all the good Armagh lads on here, a lot of lads from Armagh involved down they years in my club over here who were all great fella's and had a couple of club trips to Armagh as a child so always had a soft spot for them.
Finding it very difficult shake this glumness off, god knows whats the players are going through.
I was close enough to the Galway warm up and it was very noticeable Sean Kelly was struggling, he needs to look after himself but he'll under pressure from the club has they've aspirations of going vey far this winter. In fairness his replacement D'Arcy had a great game and is another player who's continued to surprise me.
Finnerty a big loss, assume he'd have taken the free Walsh missed given he took the earlier one from a similar distance. Heaney certainly not a like for like replacement and Finnerty's natural scoring threat was clearly missed.
It will be a tough one to shake off, a huge opportunity missed and they don't come around too often. Hope Conroy gives another year, his performances suggest he's more then capable. I wonder will Joyce regret not giving O'Curraoin more game time, his free taking is outstanding and is capable of scoring from well over 50m but the lad is still not 21 yet. That last free Walsh missed was well within his range, just didn't have it in the legs; Him and Comer just don't look right at all. I know some will heavily criticise Walsh but the lad didn't go missing.
Would need to watch it again but that would be difficult, thought Silke had a chance to swing one over with his left when he was around the 21 but turned it down surprisingly.
Think someone mentioned John Daly, I was told he's carrying some sort of knee injury. Lots of rumours about a good few players needing ops, only time will tell.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 30, 2024, 11:08:12 AMQuote from: J70 on July 29, 2024, 01:34:43 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on July 29, 2024, 12:51:10 PMDonegal were Divison 2 Winners.. They won in old days of 1a/1b 2a/2b. Think Armagh and maybe some of the Glenn players for Derry and St Brigids players for Roscommon would be the only ones (If you include club All_Ireland medals)
A few of our 1992 team would have played Division 3 in the 80s. Not sure if they topped their group though, and I think at that point qualifiers from all the divisions went into the one knockout series anyway.
Don't think we've dropped below Division 2 since those days.
Armagh are probably the first to actually have Div 3 medals to win an All-Ireland.
Some teams have won All-Irelands from Div 3, such as Kerry in 1969 (who also won the league) but the divisions were geographically based then.
The concept of a Div 3 final with a trophy and medals is a relatively new concept. Previously the most a Div 3 winner would get was a place in the league 1/4 final.
I'm not sure what the structure was like in 1998 when Galway won the AI. They emerged from a league group (A) containing Mayo, Leitrim, Laois, Louth, Fermanagh, Carlow, Kilkenny and lost in the 1/4 final to eventual winners Offaly. Not a very auspicious start to that year.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 30, 2024, 11:09:27 AMCongratulations to all the good Armagh lads on here, a lot of lads from Armagh involved down they years in my club over here who were all great fella's and had a couple of club trips to Armagh as a child so always had a soft spot for them.
Finding it very difficult shake this glumness off, god knows whats the players are going through.
I was close enough to the Galway warm up and it was very noticeable Sean Kelly was struggling, he needs to look after himself but he'll under pressure from the club has they've aspirations of going vey far this winter. In fairness his replacement D'Arcy had a great game and is another player who's continued to surprise me.
Finnerty a big loss, assume he'd have taken the free Walsh missed given he took the earlier one from a similar distance. Heaney certainly not a like for like replacement and Finnerty's natural scoring threat was clearly missed.
It will be a tough one to shake off, a huge opportunity missed and they don't come around too often. Hope Conroy gives another year, his performances suggest he's more then capable. I wonder will Joyce regret not giving O'Curraoin more game time, his free taking is outstanding and is capable of scoring from well over 50m but the lad is still not 21 yet. That last free Walsh missed was well within his range, just didn't have it in the legs; Him and Comer just don't look right at all. I know some will heavily criticise Walsh but the lad didn't go missing.
Would need to watch it again but that would be difficult, thought Silke had a chance to swing one over with his left when he was around the 21 but turned it down surprisingly.
Think someone mentioned John Daly, I was told he's carrying some sort of knee injury. Lots of rumours about a good few players needing ops, only time will tell.
Go away and sort out all the niggles and more serious injuries, take the league off where necessary, tweak the tactics, and you'll be a serious contender again in 2025.
First time I really appreciated Maher. An absolute horse. He really took it to Armagh.
I hope Joyce stays.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 30, 2024, 11:09:27 AMFinnerty a big loss, assume he'd have taken the free Walsh missed given he took the earlier one from a similar distance. Heaney certainly not a like for like replacement and Finnerty's natural scoring threat was clearly missed.
Perhaps a little bit of hindsight but that was a very negative move by Joyce. Armagh must have been delighted to see Finnerty replaced by Heaney. Felt very much like Heaney was going to be the first sub in no matter what happened.
I'm so delighted for Armagh and I'm happy man that we won, genuinely think there's an all Ireland in that Galway team. They have some serious players and It's Armagh's fortune that they had too many players injured and not match fit (not taking anything away from our lads, they've been brilliant) but how the feck did Galway even reach the final is beyond me with their injuries and struggles all year, I guess it was just one match too far for them. If them men can go away and get themselves fit for next year then they'll be hard to stop. Very sporting bunch of fans who congratulated us after the match and I wish them well next year.
It's hard to know where Armagh go from here, I hope there's no retirements and we keep our shoulder to the wheel. There will be 10 Counties thinking they can win it next year and the Championship will be fascinating next year for sure...Ard Mhacha Abu...
genuinely shocked late in second half when galway got a free from distance and shane walsh took it sideways,
surely the keeper should have taken it from the ground
Quote from: illdecide on July 30, 2024, 11:43:35 AMI'm so delighted for Armagh and I'm happy man that we won, genuinely think there's an all Ireland in that Galway team. They have some serious players and It's Armagh's fortune that they had too many players injured and not match fit (not taking anything away from our lads, they've been brilliant) but how the feck did Galway even reach the final is beyond me with their injuries and struggles all year, I guess it was just one match too far for them. If them men can go away and get themselves fit for next year then they'll be hard to stop. Very sporting bunch of fans who congratulated us after the match and I wish them well next year.
It's hard to know where Armagh go from here, I hope there's no retirements and we keep our shoulder to the wheel. There will be 10 Counties thinking they can win it next year and the Championship will be fascinating next year for sure...Ard Mhacha Abu...
Maybe for another thread but I don't think there's 10 contenders; a lot can change over the autumn, winter & spring but current contenders would be:
Dublin, Kerry, Armagh, Galway are probably the top 4 going into next years championship.
Donegal, Derry, Mayo & Tyrone and the next batch. Donegal are primed for a challenge. The other 3 have a bit of work to do to get back to their recent heights.
To make it up to 10 you would be looking at:
Louth - second season under Brennan will be interesting to see if they progress
Cork - improving but need to take a few more steps upwards
Roscommon - ??
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 30, 2024, 11:09:27 AMCongratulations to all the good Armagh lads on here, a lot of lads from Armagh involved down they years in my club over here who were all great fella's and had a couple of club trips to Armagh as a child so always had a soft spot for them.
Finding it very difficult shake this glumness off, god knows whats the players are going through.
I was close enough to the Galway warm up and it was very noticeable Sean Kelly was struggling, he needs to look after himself but he'll under pressure from the club has they've aspirations of going vey far this winter. In fairness his replacement D'Arcy had a great game and is another player who's continued to surprise me.
Finnerty a big loss, assume he'd have taken the free Walsh missed given he took the earlier one from a similar distance. Heaney certainly not a like for like replacement and Finnerty's natural scoring threat was clearly missed.
It will be a tough one to shake off, a huge opportunity missed and they don't come around too often. Hope Conroy gives another year, his performances suggest he's more then capable. I wonder will Joyce regret not giving O'Curraoin more game time, his free taking is outstanding and is capable of scoring from well over 50m but the lad is still not 21 yet. That last free Walsh missed was well within his range, just didn't have it in the legs; Him and Comer just don't look right at all. I know some will heavily criticise Walsh but the lad didn't go missing.
Would need to watch it again but that would be difficult, thought Silke had a chance to swing one over with his left when he was around the 21 but turned it down surprisingly.
Think someone mentioned John Daly, I was told he's carrying some sort of knee injury. Lots of rumours about a good few players needing ops, only time will tell.
Thought at the time than Tomo Culhane would have been a better option as a replacement as seemed to move Tierney to the corner and thats not his game.
The only thing I would say with Galway and injuries to those key players is that those key players have been injured for a few years now.They need a rest and Walsh in particular who isn't likely to get one with Kilmacaud. Finnerty has been wrecked since near the AI final and Comer similar. Walsh just seems to fight one thing after another.
As someone said how they go so far with so many injuries is remarkable and I would think there is an AI in them too.
Why did the Armagh team go back to a hotel in Louth.
I know its just across the border but is it an Armagh owned hotel?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 30, 2024, 12:11:08 PMWhy did the Armagh team go back to a hotel in Louth.
I know its just across the border but is it an Armagh owned hotel?
Because the McParlands have put millions into Armagh over the years.
Current title sponsor of the ladies team.
Mad Armagh fans
I could go on...
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on July 30, 2024, 12:20:53 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 30, 2024, 12:11:08 PMWhy did the Armagh team go back to a hotel in Louth.
I know its just across the border but is it an Armagh owned hotel?
Because the McParlands have put millions into Armagh over the years.
Current title sponsor of the ladies team.
Mad Armagh fans
I could go on...
They sell the northern Tayto, I heard
The more I read/listen to about the game and the season in general the more I think there's a lack of respect for this Armagh team.
Armagh were the best team in the country this year not the 5/6 as some suggested and have only been beaten in 90 minutes in the championship twice in the last three years and one of those followed a controversial sending off in a group game. I'm not saying penalties don't count but it shows how difficult they are to beat.
Despite that everything I've read has been some sort of excuse for why they won. Easy draw against Roscommon, Kerry were out of sorts, Galway missed chances or had injuries etc.
I can't remember a single other season were the winners have drawn so few plaudits.
Having now watched the game back (more than once) Armagh were fantastic. Galway had very few easy chances, Armagh's intensity was unreal, their discipline fantastic and the implementation of their strategy superb.
When was the last time a team won a match let along a final scoring only from play? In fact they only missed one mark and one free from inside the scoring zone and only had one other advantage played in that area all game. Galway won the Connacht final largely due to frees in the scoring zone.
Galway are a great team and yes they had injuries but so did Armagh. I don't think the result would have been different had neither team had injuries but of course we will never know.
Galway's much bigger failing was the lack of ruthlessness in not changing things that weren't working. Comer for example or where they were getting Walsh on the ball. Armagh though have to take immense credit for that. Their ability to shut down oppositions strengths this last couple of years has been superb and it was again on Sunday.
A fully deserved win. That said returning to the top will be difficult. It's hard to maintain that intensity over many years. Particularly when you become the hunted. Some of Armagh's most important players, Grugan, Soupy, Murnin and Forker etc have a lot of miles in the legs. Will they all want to go again? Will they be able? If they don't or aren't will they be replaceable? Will Geezer and the back room stay etc.
Only time will tell but that's a discussion for another day. Armagh are and forever will be All Ireland champions 2024.
Dunno what the Armagh men think but for me the return of Grimley was the critical factor in Armagh's improvement to AI winners.
Absolutely correct, David McKeown. I am delighted with that win. In 2002 it was just pure elation as a supporter, but my joy this year is for the players and management. For years they've been told how shite they are, how they'll never win x, y or z. Every time they face a "big" county the pundits always back the opposition. Everyone backed Galway on Sunday. Geezer has been slated more than any other manager, even from within this county.
Not even 24 hours after the final whistle and I see clips from OTB with Darran O'Sullivan basically ridiculing Armagh saying there's 6/7 teams ahead of them for Sam '25 and that they'll be thinking they left one behind this year. f**k him and f**k every single pundit in the country who continue to show this team zero respect.
I hope the players get a really good blow out, celebrate around the county with their people, and when the dust settles and the men (hopefully all of them) come back to pre-season that they go at it again; because seemingly winning the All Ireland isn't enough to convince some people that they deserve respect.
to be honest, I couldnt care what Darran OSullivan says. Its irrelevant and always will be. We won because we were the best team this year. Not because other teams had injuries or were out of sorts or anything else. Thats it. Thats all that matters
Quote from: Keyser soze on July 30, 2024, 01:02:46 PMDunno what the Armagh men think but for me the return of Grimley was the critical factor in Armagh's improvement to AI winners.
I think it was a lot of little things. Grimley's return a factor, the influence of Gilligan, the way they prepared, Hughes return and accuracy of his kicks etc.
All those small things combined.
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Quote from: tonto1888 on July 30, 2024, 01:10:57 PMto be honest, I couldnt care what Darran OSullivan says. Its irrelevant and always will be. We won because we were the best team this year. Not because other teams had injuries or were out of sorts or anything else. Thats it. Thats all that matters
Agreed
I've heard it from plenty of people that Armagh aren't in the top 5 and Galway threw it away and thats not from Galway people. Plenty of clowns in the media, you'd swear Armagh won by 7/8 points the way Paddy Andrews and James O'Donoghue were talking on their podcast.
The game isn't like a premier league season where there's 38 games and think pundits forget that especially the Kerry ones. As Ciaran McKeever said Kerry will always have an aura but this Kerry team is nowhere near as special as previous era's.
There is a lack of respect for Armagh from some pundits, Darren O'Sullivan is an appalling pundit as is Anthony Moyles; A pair of bluffers.
Armagh have a brilliant bench, its better balanced then anyone elses. Galway have a strong squad but definitely lacking a game changed like Campbell.
As for Culhane he's not played a lot of football this year due to injury so suspect Joyce didn't think he'd last 60 minutes. Something that needs putting right for next year but the likes of Curraoin & O'Conghaile aren't 21 so would like to think they'll have bigger impacts next year
On the front page of Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page the All Ireland final is the top item in the "In the News" section at the moment
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on July 30, 2024, 12:20:53 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 30, 2024, 12:11:08 PMWhy did the Armagh team go back to a hotel in Louth.
I know its just across the border but is it an Armagh owned hotel?
Because the McParlands have put millions into Armagh over the years.
Current title sponsor of the ladies team.
Mad Armagh fans
I could go on...
Makes sense then so.
Logistically speaking only an hour from Dublin too.
Also, technically the Carrickdale is in Dromintee parish and traditionally players from that area play club football in Armagh rather than in Louth even though its 200 yards into the south... just another problem the boundary commission never envisaged in 1922!
Ah Lads, no idea where to start other than say words are hard to come by to explain the euphoria of winning another All Ireland. What an outcome for Geezer and team, spectacular. Leaving Clones after yet another penalty defeat in a final, I had a thought that yet another heartbreaking defeat would potentially drive that team onto something much greater, and thankfully it did. The amount of resilience built up from so much heartbreak made this Armagh team very difficult to beat. Despite what the multiple pundits say, Armagh are the best team in Ireland in 2024, they are deserving All Ireland Champions, and we're going to enjoy this one massively. 2025 discussion is for another year, but I hope everyone stays together to defend the title and I think they will. Geezer will be aware that the team he captained 22 years ago, should have had at least 2, possibly 3 All Ireland titles, his current team have the potential for more as well.
Galway, we do actually know how you felt on Sunday, the devastation was clear on all Galway faces. But you were superb in defeat, and the amount of congrats offered by Galway supporters to Armagh was amazing. One Galway fella in the row in front of me was in tears, as was I for opposite reasons, we gave each other a big bear hug at the end lol special moments on a special day.
Was great see the younger generation witness it, and the inspiration will fuel Armagh well into the future.
Last year before a league game at the Athletic Grounds, Jarlath Burns had just won the vote to be next president, and was operating as a steward outside of the ground. I shook his hand to congratulate him and said I looked forward to an Armagh President presenting Sam to an Armagh captain. Jarlath just said we'll settle for the points here tonight first. I really wasn't expecting it in his first year, but what a moment for him and Jarly Og, you couldn't have written it.
Last night's homecoming in Armagh was epic and exactly what the team deserved, there'll be plenty more of that in the weeks ahead! Ard Mhacha Abu!
Any word when Sam will arrive into north Armagh again this week?
Maghery this evening I hear but haven't noticed anything online
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 30, 2024, 02:04:34 PMQuote from: Armaghtothebone on July 30, 2024, 12:20:53 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 30, 2024, 12:11:08 PMWhy did the Armagh team go back to a hotel in Louth.
I know its just across the border but is it an Armagh owned hotel?
Because the McParlands have put millions into Armagh over the years.
Current title sponsor of the ladies team.
Mad Armagh fans
I could go on...
Makes sense then so.
Logistically speaking only an hour from Dublin too.
The McParlands have also put quite a lot of money into Down as well over the years.
Paddy Power odds 2025
Kerry 5/2
Dublin 3/1
Galway 11/2
Donegal 15/2
Armagh 15/2
Derry 10/1
Mayo 12/1
Tyrone 20/1
Don't be annoyed by pundits. What does it matter.
Most people know that last Sunday Armagh were the best team in the land, at that very time. That's all you need to be.
On top of that, I'd have them top 3 for well over a year. Geezer has a group of players playing at their own individual peaks. I don't see a weak link this year. No one comfortably bested them in a long long time. That's a hardy side.
Drink it in. Also, there's no better feeling than being AI Champions on Christmas morning.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 30, 2024, 02:53:08 PMMaghery this evening I hear but haven't noticed anything online
Maghery have it on their facebook that the team is there at 5.30 this evening. Probably be a few Tyronies there too.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 30, 2024, 03:12:42 PMPaddy Power odds 2025
Kerry 5/2
Dublin 3/1
Galway 11/2
Donegal 15/2
Armagh 15/2
Derry 10/1
Mayo 12/1
Tyrone 20/1
Tyrone at 20/1 the pick there. Fun fact - every time Armagh win the AI, Tyrone win it the following year.
Also, Maghery is moreorless Tyrone, Star is a Tyrone man and the ref didn't harm yiz. Think you should at least acknowledge us.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on July 30, 2024, 03:12:42 PMPaddy Power odds 2025
Kerry 5/2
Dublin 3/1
Galway 11/2
Donegal 15/2
Armagh 15/2
Derry 10/1
Mayo 12/1
Tyrone 20/1
Would have expected Dublin to be the favourites would agree that Tyrone would be the early value might give them the kick they need seeing Armagh getting over the line this year.
Quote from: statto on July 30, 2024, 03:30:22 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on July 30, 2024, 03:12:42 PMPaddy Power odds 2025
Kerry 5/2
Dublin 3/1
Galway 11/2
Donegal 15/2
Armagh 15/2
Derry 10/1
Mayo 12/1
Tyrone 20/1
Would have expected Dublin to be the favourites would agree that Tyrone would be the early value might give them the kick they need seeing Armagh getting over the line this year.
Need much more than a kick.
Quote from: ONeill on July 30, 2024, 03:38:01 PMQuote from: statto on July 30, 2024, 03:30:22 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on July 30, 2024, 03:12:42 PMPaddy Power odds 2025
Kerry 5/2
Dublin 3/1
Galway 11/2
Donegal 15/2
Armagh 15/2
Derry 10/1
Mayo 12/1
Tyrone 20/1
Would have expected Dublin to be the favourites would agree that Tyrone would be the early value might give them the kick they need seeing Armagh getting over the line this year.
Need much more than a kick.
Armagh winning could be the best thing to happen Tyrone.
They have the raw materials in abundance to get back to the top.
If Galway can get their heads right after the knockdowns like Armagh did I honestly think there's an All Ireland in them myself. They're surely due a bit of luck on the injury front.
Are them new rules confirmed for League & Championship next year? If so a fair bit of adapting required there as well by a lot of teams.
There's no balance to that Tyrone side, in the game v Roscommon I couldn't believe they took Ruairi Canavan off only to replace him with an even younger cub in McElhone when it was crying out for experience - maybe more an overall management issue than a personnel issue tho.
Quote from: ONeill on July 30, 2024, 03:13:57 PMDon't be annoyed by pundits. What does it matter.
Most people know that last Sunday Armagh were the best team in the land, at that very time. That's all you need to be.
On top of that, I'd have them top 3 for well over a year. Geezer has a group of players playing at their own individual peaks. I don't see a weak link this year. No one comfortably bested them in a long long time. That's a hardy side.
Drink it in. Also, there's no better feeling than being AI Champions on Christmas morning.
I don't think many in Armagh even had them top 3 a year ago after being relegated and beat by Monaghan.
I agree with others that Armagh are getting little credit on all the main podcasts. It feels they are dismissing it like Tyrone 2021. I just finished listening to Andrews and O'Donoghue and it was 70% about why Galway didn't win. Endless excuses for Walsh and Comer.
O'Sullivan and Boyle are hard to listen to. They just don't rate Ulster teams
North Armagh tomorrow night from what i'm hearing (Lurgan)
Granted Walsh kicked wides but there were balls went into Comer and he was really well marshalled - it's probably a unfair on the likes of McKay to just put that down to injury because he was doing a great job. Still think if Walsh scores some of those Armagh score more anyway.
The hitting the post thing has a lot made of it. Armagh hit the post in injury time but nothing said about that.
I didn't think Armagh were quite there, but I am absolutely delighted that they have done so. Themselves and Galway were the only two unbeaten teams in Championship football, not counting the penalties of course. I am delighted for Geezer, I have always believed that he should be allowed to leave on his own terms and he has proved the doubters wrong and I confess to having some along the way. and I hope he stays for another lash at it.
Quote from: balladmaker on July 30, 2024, 02:25:45 PMAh Lads, no idea where to start other than say words are hard to come by to explain the euphoria of winning another All Ireland. What an outcome for Geezer and team, spectacular. Leaving Clones after yet another penalty defeat in a final, I had a thought that yet another heartbreaking defeat would potentially drive that team onto something much greater, and thankfully it did. The amount of resilience built up from so much heartbreak made this Armagh team very difficult to beat. Despite what the multiple pundits say, Armagh are the best team in Ireland in 2024, they are deserving All Ireland Champions, and we're going to enjoy this one massively. 2025 discussion is for another year, but I hope everyone stays together to defend the title and I think they will. Geezer will be aware that the team he captained 22 years ago, should have had at least 2, possibly 3 All Ireland titles, his current team have the potential for more as well.
Galway, we do actually know how you felt on Sunday, the devastation was clear on all Galway faces. But you were superb in defeat, and the amount of congrats offered by Galway supporters to Armagh was amazing. One Galway fella in the row in front of me was in tears, as was I for opposite reasons, we gave each other a big bear hug at the end lol special moments on a special day.
Was great see the younger generation witness it, and the inspiration will fuel Armagh well into the future.
Last year before a league game at the Athletic Grounds, Jarlath Burns had just won the vote to be next president, and was operating as a steward outside of the ground. I shook his hand to congratulate him and said I looked forward to an Armagh President presenting Sam to an Armagh captain. Jarlath just said we'll settle for the points here tonight first. I really wasn't expecting it in his first year, but what a moment for him and Jarly Og, you couldn't have written it.
Last night's homecoming in Armagh was epic and exactly what the team deserved, there'll be plenty more of that in the weeks ahead! Ard Mhacha Abu!
Any word when Sam will arrive into north Armagh again this week?
Ah man, what a moment!
Sums up the GAA in one sentence.
If you'll excuse me , I think I have something in my eye .......
Quote from: Mario on July 30, 2024, 04:01:55 PMQuote from: ONeill on July 30, 2024, 03:13:57 PMDon't be annoyed by pundits. What does it matter.
Most people know that last Sunday Armagh were the best team in the land, at that very time. That's all you need to be.
On top of that, I'd have them top 3 for well over a year. Geezer has a group of players playing at their own individual peaks. I don't see a weak link this year. No one comfortably bested them in a long long time. That's a hardy side.
Drink it in. Also, there's no better feeling than being AI Champions on Christmas morning.
I don't think many in Armagh even had them top 3 a year ago after being relegated and beat by Monaghan.
I agree with others that Armagh are getting little credit on all the main podcasts. It feels they are dismissing it like Tyrone 2021. I just finished listening to Andrews and O'Donoghue and it was 70% about why Galway didn't win. Endless excuses for Walsh and Comer.
O'Sullivan and Boyle are hard to listen to. They just don't rate Ulster teams
Walsh and Comer were poor because they were well shackled, Barry McCambridge is as good a defender as you'll see and always had help as well on Walsh, same with Comer he just wasn't let play.
I'd love to see this team go and win another win or more in the coming years but we'll just enjoy this for now.
Quote from: square_ball on July 30, 2024, 03:14:54 PMQuote from: bennydorano on July 30, 2024, 02:53:08 PMMaghery this evening I hear but haven't noticed anything online
Maghery have it on their facebook that the team is there at 5.30 this evening. Probably be a few Tyronies there too.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 30, 2024, 03:12:42 PMPaddy Power odds 2025
Kerry 5/2
Dublin 3/1
Galway 11/2
Donegal 15/2
Armagh 15/2
Derry 10/1
Mayo 12/1
Tyrone 20/1
Tyrone at 20/1 the pick there. Fun fact - every time Armagh win the AI, Tyrone win it the following year.
Ditto for Kerry after a Tyrone AI so may as well do a Tyrone 2025/Kerry 2026 double, especially as they've all involved Jack O'Connor as Kerry manager to boot.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 30, 2024, 07:43:07 PMQuote from: square_ball on July 30, 2024, 03:14:54 PMQuote from: bennydorano on July 30, 2024, 02:53:08 PMMaghery this evening I hear but haven't noticed anything online
Maghery have it on their facebook that the team is there at 5.30 this evening. Probably be a few Tyronies there too.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 30, 2024, 03:12:42 PMPaddy Power odds 2025
Kerry 5/2
Dublin 3/1
Galway 11/2
Donegal 15/2
Armagh 15/2
Derry 10/1
Mayo 12/1
Tyrone 20/1
Tyrone at 20/1 the pick there. Fun fact - every time Armagh win the AI, Tyrone win it the following year.
Ditto for Kerry after a Tyrone AI so may as well do a Tyrone 2025/Kerry 2026 double, especially as they've all involved Jack O'Connor as Kerry manager to boot.
I would have tyrone at 20/1 to be in a quarter final next year never mind win it lol
Quote from: blanketattack on July 30, 2024, 07:43:07 PMQuote from: square_ball on July 30, 2024, 03:14:54 PMQuote from: bennydorano on July 30, 2024, 02:53:08 PMMaghery this evening I hear but haven't noticed anything online
Maghery have it on their facebook that the team is there at 5.30 this evening. Probably be a few Tyronies there too.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 30, 2024, 03:12:42 PMPaddy Power odds 2025
Kerry 5/2
Dublin 3/1
Galway 11/2
Donegal 15/2
Armagh 15/2
Derry 10/1
Mayo 12/1
Tyrone 20/1
Tyrone at 20/1 the pick there. Fun fact - every time Armagh win the AI, Tyrone win it the following year.
Ditto for Kerry after a Tyrone AI so may as well do a Tyrone 2025/Kerry 2026 double, especially as they've all involved Jack O'Connor as Kerry manager to boot.
Donegal win it next year as McGuinness is all about year 2. Tyrone will win it in 2026.
This lad caught a few with his tweet lol.
https://x.com/Matthewnelson1/status/1818253259192045742
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2024, 10:37:51 PMQuote from: blanketattack on July 30, 2024, 07:43:07 PMQuote from: square_ball on July 30, 2024, 03:14:54 PMQuote from: bennydorano on July 30, 2024, 02:53:08 PMMaghery this evening I hear but haven't noticed anything online
Maghery have it on their facebook that the team is there at 5.30 this evening. Probably be a few Tyronies there too.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 30, 2024, 03:12:42 PMPaddy Power odds 2025
Kerry 5/2
Dublin 3/1
Galway 11/2
Donegal 15/2
Armagh 15/2
Derry 10/1
Mayo 12/1
Tyrone 20/1
Tyrone at 20/1 the pick there. Fun fact - every time Armagh win the AI, Tyrone win it the following year.
Ditto for Kerry after a Tyrone AI so may as well do a Tyrone 2025/Kerry 2026 double, especially as they've all involved Jack O'Connor as Kerry manager to boot.
Donegal win it next year as McGuinness is all about year 2. Tyrone will win it in 2026.
Any idea when Down will get number 6.
You just never know when a county will get its sh1t in gear. Derry and Armagh looked a galaxy away a few years ago, mixing it in the lower divisions. Look at it now.
Meath, Down, Cork will come again at some stage. Just needs the right people colliding at the right time.
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2024, 11:01:37 PMThis lad caught a few with his tweet lol.
https://x.com/Matthewnelson1/status/1818253259192045742
That's brilliant. Some of the replies are superb ;D
While we're estatic, when you've been on the losing end of a final it's very hard not to have a lot of empathy for the other team and their supporters. We know what it's like. But on this occasion Armagh's need was greater. We just couldn't afford to go home defeated given what's happened the past 2 years. I honestly believe the team would have found a way to win regardless of what Galway or anyone else would have thrown at them. They just had enough of hard luck stories.
Would love to see Galway get back and win it. If they keep it together and refocus again there's no reason why they can't.
The other thing I meant to mention was I was very impressed by Murnin at the final whistle on Sunday. Whilst his team mates ran to celebrate at the hill Murnin held back and went round commiserating each of the Galway players. Thought it was a genuine class act.
Quote from: illdecide on July 30, 2024, 04:14:20 PMNorth Armagh tomorrow night from what i'm hearing (Lurgan)
Any word on the current location of Sam? ;D
Quote from: Armamike on July 31, 2024, 12:35:04 PMWhile we're estatic, when you've been on the losing end of a final it's very hard not to have a lot of empathy for the other team and their supporters. We know what it's like. But on this occasion Armagh's need was greater. We just couldn't afford to go home defeated given what's happened the past 2 years. I honestly believe the team would have found a way to win regardless of what Galway or anyone else would have thrown at them. They just had enough of hard luck stories.
Would love to see Galway get back and win it. If they keep it together and refocus again there's no reason why they can't.
For me, it was the past two years plus losing the Div 2 final and the Ulster Final.
It might be hard for Armagh to get back up to that level of determination again in 2025 but I think there is enough talent coming through the negate the probable loss of a few through retirements.
Quote from: Orior on July 31, 2024, 05:53:01 PMQuote from: Armamike on July 31, 2024, 12:35:04 PMWhile we're estatic, when you've been on the losing end of a final it's very hard not to have a lot of empathy for the other team and their supporters. We know what it's like. But on this occasion Armagh's need was greater. We just couldn't afford to go home defeated given what's happened the past 2 years. I honestly believe the team would have found a way to win regardless of what Galway or anyone else would have thrown at them. They just had enough of hard luck stories.
Would love to see Galway get back and win it. If they keep it together and refocus again there's no reason why they can't.
For me, it was the past two years plus losing the Div 2 final and the Ulster Final.
It might be hard for Armagh to get back up to that level of determination again in 2025 but I think there is enough talent coming through the negate the probable loss of a few through retirements.
There is a lot more potential in the team and whilst Galway may feel aggrieved by not playing well - Armagh were just as poor or if not worse. Armagh are going to go into next season feeling that little bit bigger and arrogant which is natural for any team. However, other teams will be wanting to test themselves against us and wanting their piece. McGeeney is going to be even more relentless in pursuit of another AI - can't stop at one. Now McGeeney has everyone in the county on the same page.
Quote from: balladmaker on July 31, 2024, 01:35:21 PMQuote from: illdecide on July 30, 2024, 04:14:20 PMNorth Armagh tomorrow night from what i'm hearing (Lurgan)
Any word on the current location of Sam? ;D
In the Moy
Quote from: Solo_run on July 31, 2024, 07:34:35 PMQuote from: Orior on July 31, 2024, 05:53:01 PMQuote from: Armamike on July 31, 2024, 12:35:04 PMWhile we're estatic, when you've been on the losing end of a final it's very hard not to have a lot of empathy for the other team and their supporters. We know what it's like. But on this occasion Armagh's need was greater. We just couldn't afford to go home defeated given what's happened the past 2 years. I honestly believe the team would have found a way to win regardless of what Galway or anyone else would have thrown at them. They just had enough of hard luck stories.
Would love to see Galway get back and win it. If they keep it together and refocus again there's no reason why they can't.
For me, it was the past two years plus losing the Div 2 final and the Ulster Final.
It might be hard for Armagh to get back up to that level of determination again in 2025 but I think there is enough talent coming through the negate the probable loss of a few through retirements.
There is a lot more potential in the team and whilst Galway may feel aggrieved by not playing well - Armagh were just as poor or if not worse. Armagh are going to go into next season feeling that little bit bigger and arrogant which is natural for any team. However, other teams will be wanting to test themselves against us and wanting their piece. McGeeney is going to be even more relentless in pursuit of another AI - can't stop at one. Now McGeeney has everyone in the county on the same page.
Lol, sorry I can't stop laughing at this.
If mcgeeney is wise he'd get out now. The stars aligned and he got a trophy. Turns out to be the biggest of the lot. There'll be a target on their backs next year
Quote from: An Watcher on July 31, 2024, 09:52:18 PMQuote from: Solo_run on July 31, 2024, 07:34:35 PMQuote from: Orior on July 31, 2024, 05:53:01 PMQuote from: Armamike on July 31, 2024, 12:35:04 PMWhile we're estatic, when you've been on the losing end of a final it's very hard not to have a lot of empathy for the other team and their supporters. We know what it's like. But on this occasion Armagh's need was greater. We just couldn't afford to go home defeated given what's happened the past 2 years. I honestly believe the team would have found a way to win regardless of what Galway or anyone else would have thrown at them. They just had enough of hard luck stories.
Would love to see Galway get back and win it. If they keep it together and refocus again there's no reason why they can't.
For me, it was the past two years plus losing the Div 2 final and the Ulster Final.
It might be hard for Armagh to get back up to that level of determination again in 2025 but I think there is enough talent coming through the negate the probable loss of a few through retirements.
There is a lot more potential in the team and whilst Galway may feel aggrieved by not playing well - Armagh were just as poor or if not worse. Armagh are going to go into next season feeling that little bit bigger and arrogant which is natural for any team. However, other teams will be wanting to test themselves against us and wanting their piece. McGeeney is going to be even more relentless in pursuit of another AI - can't stop at one. Now McGeeney has everyone in the county on the same page.
Lol, sorry I can't stop laughing at this.
Good for you.
If any team in the modern era can come back and give Sam a serious tilt next year it's Armagh. In the amateur arena, what those players have done this year after the last few years (including this year's Ulster final), I wouldn't be laughing, I'd be backing
Lol, maybe they'll have to play a half decent team before the final next year in ulster.
No denying that they did the business this year but let's be serious going forward. An all ireland semi next year would be a successful year
Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2024, 10:27:40 PMQuote from: An Watcher on July 31, 2024, 09:52:18 PMQuote from: Solo_run on July 31, 2024, 07:34:35 PMQuote from: Orior on July 31, 2024, 05:53:01 PMQuote from: Armamike on July 31, 2024, 12:35:04 PMWhile we're estatic, when you've been on the losing end of a final it's very hard not to have a lot of empathy for the other team and their supporters. We know what it's like. But on this occasion Armagh's need was greater. We just couldn't afford to go home defeated given what's happened the past 2 years. I honestly believe the team would have found a way to win regardless of what Galway or anyone else would have thrown at them. They just had enough of hard luck stories.
Would love to see Galway get back and win it. If they keep it together and refocus again there's no reason why they can't.
For me, it was the past two years plus losing the Div 2 final and the Ulster Final.
It might be hard for Armagh to get back up to that level of determination again in 2025 but I think there is enough talent coming through the negate the probable loss of a few through retirements.
There is a lot more potential in the team and whilst Galway may feel aggrieved by not playing well - Armagh were just as poor or if not worse. Armagh are going to go into next season feeling that little bit bigger and arrogant which is natural for any team. However, other teams will be wanting to test themselves against us and wanting their piece. McGeeney is going to be even more relentless in pursuit of another AI - can't stop at one. Now McGeeney has everyone in the county on the same page.
Lol, sorry I can't stop laughing at this.
Good for you.
If any team in the modern era can come back and give Sam a serious tilt next year it's Armagh. In the amateur arena, what those players have done this year after the last few years (including this year's Ulster final), I wouldn't be laughing, I'd be backing
I wouldn't rule it out.
Armagh do seem a tight unit. McGeeney has them all pulling in the same direction , with little to no dropouts, even though some players get little to no game time.
Only Tyrone have beat them in last two seasons (and only Donegal beat them at all this year by 1 point in NFL final , and on penalties Ulster final) , so they will match any team
Success in 2025 could depend on retaining all players and all backroom team. And having no injuries. Although they did have 1 or 2 big injury losses this year and still got over the line
Ok my minds made up, I'm putting my money where my mouth is .......50p on Armagh for next year!
It never takes long for loaned goodwill to disappear. 2025 will be a clean slate, I don't see any teams that we should fear tho, we will only progess as a team as well. We'll be 1 of 4 serious teams among 8 who will fancy their chances.
Quote from: An Watcher on July 31, 2024, 10:47:33 PMLol, maybe they'll have to play a half decent team before the final next year in ulster.
No denying that they did the business this year but let's be serious going forward. An all ireland semi next year would be a successful year
Incredibly tough team to beat. Last few years they've beaten pretty much everyone there is to beat in championship bar Dublin. If they could take penalties properly, would have been knocking on the door louder before this. I wouldn't back against them with a great deal of confidence.
Quote from: An Watcher on July 31, 2024, 10:47:33 PMLol, maybe they'll have to play a half decent team before the final next year in ulster.
No denying that they did the business this year but let's be serious going forward. An all ireland semi next year would be a successful year
Do you want some chips to go with that salt?
Quote from: An Watcher on July 31, 2024, 10:47:33 PMLol, maybe they'll have to play a half decent team before the final next year in ulster.
No denying that they did the business this year but let's be serious going forward. An all ireland semi next year would be a successful year
here we go again. Give us no credit. We won. Your county didnt. Suck it up
FFS such utter bull both on here and elsewhere. The final was not a classic but the two best teams this year were in it and Armagh won it. They will be a serious outfit next year as well, will they retain it probably not but I'm not for doubting them again. An Ulster and a SF would be an excellent year next year for Armagh.
Now the Armagh ones know how us Tyrone ones feel when people keep telling us our 2021 win was only a fluke and because of Covid.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 31, 2024, 11:03:25 PMIt never takes long for loaned goodwill to disappear. 2025 will be a clean slate, I don't see any teams that we should fear tho, we will only progess as a team as well. We'll be 1 of 4 serious teams among 8 who will fancy their chances.
The same goes the other way. I don't think many teams will fear Armagh next year.
Quote from: square_ball on August 01, 2024, 08:14:55 AMNow the Armagh ones know how us Tyrone ones feel when people keep telling us our 2021 win was only a fluke and because of Covid.
Sure it was!
all this envy from the lesser counties. Inject it into me haha
With some pundits there is no honeymoon period at all.
If you want an example just listen to the begrudgery and backhanded compliments from Dick Clerkin on the Independent Throw-in podcast.
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 01, 2024, 09:03:19 AMall this envy from the lesser counties. Inject it into me haha
It is beautiful.
Should we not win another game for the next 3 years, the last few weeks would be worth it. Forever indebted to thar group of men for the memories.
And btw there is not a team in the country Armagh will fear, but I'm sure the big teams won't fear us either. We were more than deserving winners but if a few small margins went the other way Kerry or Galway could have beaten us, same as Galway Dublin. Been saying it now for a long time, very little between the top teams and comes down sometimes to a bit of luck and who turns up on the day. (But sure was told Armagh are clean useless because they kept losing penalties)
Although from about half time in the Kerry game I just had a sense that this team was not going to be beaten this year and thank god that feeling was right.
Quote from: APM on August 01, 2024, 09:10:14 AMWith some pundits there is no honeymoon period at all.
If you want an example just listen to the begrudgery and backhanded compliments from Dick Clerkin on the Independent Throw-in podcast.
Will give it a listen today, he is a bitter f**ker, as a lot of Monaghan ones seem to be. Not sure if it was that podcast or another one but one of the Hughes' who I have a lot of respect for, said before Kerry that Armagh would be happy with a 2 point defeat. Maybe that's the Monaghan mindset but certainly not our lads.
Quote from: APM on August 01, 2024, 09:10:14 AMWith some pundits there is no honeymoon period at all.
If you want an example just listen to the begrudgery and backhanded compliments from Dick Clerkin on the Independent Throw-in podcast.
That boy isn't worth listening to at all. I'd listen to Brolly before him.
Could not face the online world before now since the final whistle on Sunday.
Absolutely gutted.
Congrats to all the Armagh posters on here. Enjoy the celebrations lads.
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 01, 2024, 09:12:04 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on August 01, 2024, 09:03:19 AMall this envy from the lesser counties. Inject it into me haha
It is beautiful.
Should we not win another game for the next 3 years, the last few weeks would be worth it. Forever indebted to thar group of men for the memories.
And btw there is not a team in the country Armagh will fear, but I'm sure the big teams won't fear us either. We were more than deserving winners but if a few small margins went the other way Kerry or Galway could have beaten us, same as Galway Dublin. Been saying it now for a long time, very little between the top teams and comes down sometimes to a bit of luck and who turns up on the day. (But sure was told Armagh are clean useless because they kept losing penalties)
Although from about half time in the Kerry game I just had a sense that this team was not going to be beaten this year and thank god that feeling was right.
got to agree with this
Quote from: galwayman on August 01, 2024, 09:25:38 AMCould not face the online world before now since the final whistle on Sunday.
Absolutely gutted.
Congrats to all the Armagh posters on here. Enjoy the celebrations lads.
Thanks Galwayman. As has been said- someone has to end up disappointed, commiserations to yourselves though. Have to say every Galway fan I met in Dublin was as gracious in defeat as yourself.
Wish yous all the best for next year and I'm sure there will be more battles between us to come.
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 01, 2024, 09:12:04 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on August 01, 2024, 09:03:19 AMall this envy from the lesser counties. Inject it into me haha
Should we not win another game for the next 3 years, the last few weeks would be worth it. Forever indebted to thar group of men for the memories.
Careful what you wish for. Trust me, we're talking from experience. Eaten bread soon forgotten.
But I don't believe KMcG lacks in the motivational side, so I don't think you'll have the same issue Tyrone had in 2021.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 01, 2024, 09:44:27 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 01, 2024, 09:12:04 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on August 01, 2024, 09:03:19 AMall this envy from the lesser counties. Inject it into me haha
Should we not win another game for the next 3 years, the last few weeks would be worth it. Forever indebted to thar group of men for the memories.
Careful what you wish for. Trust me, we're talking from experience. Eaten bread soon forgotten.
But I don't believe KMcG lacks in the motivational side, so I don't think you'll have the same issue Tyrone had in 2021.
Would you trade that 21 All Ireland for say an Ulster and 2 semi final appearances since?
Hopefully you're right. If Geezer stays on I think he'll have these boys primed to do what our last great team didn't and win a few.
No, but once the dust settles, people expect. If there's a drop of, supporters won't be happy. The homecoming is soon forgotten if performances start to dip.
Meath were the last county outside of Dublin/Kerry who won back to backs and that was over 35 years ago. Think Armagh are the only county since outside of the big 2 who got back to the final the year after winning it.
I wouldn't expect them to do it but looking at their panel they could make 5/6 changes to the starting 15 without the quality dropping off as long as everyone hangs around, Tyrone weren't able to do that in 2021.
Armagh probably not getting the respect they deserve but that happened to Tyrone 3 years ago, their the best team in the land in the year they won and thats all that counts.
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 01, 2024, 09:30:31 AMQuote from: galwayman on August 01, 2024, 09:25:38 AMCould not face the online world before now since the final whistle on Sunday.
Absolutely gutted.
Congrats to all the Armagh posters on here. Enjoy the celebrations lads.
Thanks Galwayman. As has been said- someone has to end up disappointed, commiserations to yourselves though. Have to say every Galway fan I met in Dublin was as gracious in defeat as yourself.
Wish yous all the best for next year and I'm sure there will be more battles between us to come.
I've no doubt there will. The 4 games in the last 3 seasons have been serious stuff!
Saw a video online of McGeeney letting the hair down to Sweet Child O'Mine at some homecoming event. Even as a disappointed Galwayman I love to see stuff like that. It shows what it means to people.
Quote from: galwayman on August 01, 2024, 10:54:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 01, 2024, 09:30:31 AMQuote from: galwayman on August 01, 2024, 09:25:38 AMCould not face the online world before now since the final whistle on Sunday.
Absolutely gutted.
Congrats to all the Armagh posters on here. Enjoy the celebrations lads.
Thanks Galwayman. As has been said- someone has to end up disappointed, commiserations to yourselves though. Have to say every Galway fan I met in Dublin was as gracious in defeat as yourself.
Wish yous all the best for next year and I'm sure there will be more battles between us to come.
I've no doubt there will. The 4 games in the last 3 seasons have been serious stuff!
Saw a video online of McGeeney letting the hair down to Sweet Child O'Mine at some homecoming event. Even as a disappointed Galwayman I love to see stuff like that. It shows what it means to people.
Unbelievable to see it. Never met a more dedicated man and just delighted for him and the lads. The way the players look at and speak about him is something special. Man deserves a statue in Armagh.
Joyce probably has similar status in Galway given what he did as a player and although he hasn't got over the line yet he's brought Galway from a low enough starting point to being for sure in the Sam Maguire conversation and wouldn't have begrudged him and Galway if yous had got over the line on Sunday.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2024, 09:14:31 AMQuote from: APM on August 01, 2024, 09:10:14 AMWith some pundits there is no honeymoon period at all.
If you want an example just listen to the begrudgery and backhanded compliments from Dick Clerkin on the Independent Throw-in podcast.
That boy isn't worth listening to at all. I'd listen to Brolly before him.
He isn't bad in general but has a real chip on his shoulder re Armagh which to be fair he almost acknowledges.
However, a lot pundits got this completely wrong. How did all the Indo pundits call this for Galway when there has been nothing between them in the last two years? Given that no team had been able to put away Armagh in playing-time knockout football since 2022 in Ballybofey, it was odd to say the least.
Clerkin was talking about how most people knew nothing about this Armagh team. They mentioned Joe McElroy as an unknown (despite him being around for 8 years). He described Oisin Conaty as a soccer player and playing like a soccer player (reminds me of James McCartan or Diarmuid Marsden BTW). You would think by their talk that McGeeney plucked him straight from Shamrock Park and that he had no club or county minor experience.
Not expert punditry and some of it quite disrespectful - Not that it matters. And there were some pundits like Canavan and Enda McGinley who were very accurate and highly respectful in their assessments.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 01, 2024, 10:53:26 AMMeath were the last county outside of Dublin/Kerry who won back to backs and that was over 35 years ago. Think Armagh are the only county since outside of the big 2 who got back to the final the year after winning it.
I wouldn't expect them to do it but looking at their panel they could make 5/6 changes to the starting 15 without the quality dropping off as long as everyone hangs around, Tyrone weren't able to do that in 2021.
Armagh probably not getting the respect they deserve but that happened to Tyrone 3 years ago, their the best team in the land in the year they won and thats all that counts.
Well said! Galway supporters around me on Sunday excellent sports. Galway team and management carry themselves so well. A lot of respect between the two teams I think
Quote from: APM on August 01, 2024, 11:15:28 AMQuote from: Maroon Manc on August 01, 2024, 10:53:26 AMMeath were the last county outside of Dublin/Kerry who won back to backs and that was over 35 years ago. Think Armagh are the only county since outside of the big 2 who got back to the final the year after winning it.
I wouldn't expect them to do it but looking at their panel they could make 5/6 changes to the starting 15 without the quality dropping off as long as everyone hangs around, Tyrone weren't able to do that in 2021.
Armagh probably not getting the respect they deserve but that happened to Tyrone 3 years ago, their the best team in the land in the year they won and thats all that counts.
Well said! Galway supporters around me on Sunday excellent sports. Galway team and management carry themselves so well. A lot of respect between the two teams I think
Absolutely and probably surprising given the row etc in '22 but the Galway supporters all seemed a decent bunch from what I met.
Quote from: APM on August 01, 2024, 11:11:47 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2024, 09:14:31 AMQuote from: APM on August 01, 2024, 09:10:14 AMWith some pundits there is no honeymoon period at all.
If you want an example just listen to the begrudgery and backhanded compliments from Dick Clerkin on the Independent Throw-in podcast.
That boy isn't worth listening to at all. I'd listen to Brolly before him.
He isn't bad in general but has a real chip on his shoulder re Armagh which to be fair he almost acknowledges.
However, a lot pundits got this completely wrong. How did all the Indo pundits call this for Galway when there has been nothing between them in the last two years? Given that no team had been able to put away Armagh in playing-time knockout football since 2022 in Ballybofey, it was odd to say the least.
Clerkin was talking about how most people knew nothing about this Armagh team. They mentioned Joe McElroy as an unknown (despite him being around for 8 years). He described Oisin Conaty as a soccer player and playing like a soccer player (reminds me of James McCartan or Diarmuid Marsden BTW). You would think by their talk that McGeeney plucked him straight from Shamrock Park and that he had no club or county minor experience.
Not expert punditry and some of it quite disrespectful - Not that it matters. And there were some pundits like Canavan and Enda McGinley who were very accurate and highly respectful in their assessments.
have to agree about these two. Spoke very well and praised us
Weirdly we're getting a lot more praise and credit from Tyrone than the likes of Down or Monaghan. Maybe easier to be gracious when you've got over the line yourself more recently.
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 01, 2024, 11:09:19 AMQuote from: galwayman on August 01, 2024, 10:54:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 01, 2024, 09:30:31 AMQuote from: galwayman on August 01, 2024, 09:25:38 AMCould not face the online world before now since the final whistle on Sunday.
Absolutely gutted.
Congrats to all the Armagh posters on here. Enjoy the celebrations lads.
Thanks Galwayman. As has been said- someone has to end up disappointed, commiserations to yourselves though. Have to say every Galway fan I met in Dublin was as gracious in defeat as yourself.
Wish yous all the best for next year and I'm sure there will be more battles between us to come.
I've no doubt there will. The 4 games in the last 3 seasons have been serious stuff!
Saw a video online of McGeeney letting the hair down to Sweet Child O'Mine at some homecoming event. Even as a disappointed Galwayman I love to see stuff like that. It shows what it means to people.
Unbelievable to see it. Never met a more dedicated man and just delighted for him and the lads. The way the players look at and speak about him is something special. Man deserves a statue in Armagh.
Joyce probably has similar status in Galway given what he did as a player and although he hasn't got over the line yet he's brought Galway from a low enough starting point to being for sure in the Sam Maguire conversation and wouldn't have begrudged him and Galway if yous had got over the line on Sunday.
100%. On the other side of it we have gobshites from other counties putting up videos on social media of Pj and some of the players letting their hair down on the Monday night - criticizing them for it (i.e. what are they at - they lost the match type thing). Braindead stuff
Quote from: galwayman on August 01, 2024, 10:54:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 01, 2024, 09:30:31 AMQuote from: galwayman on August 01, 2024, 09:25:38 AMCould not face the online world before now since the final whistle on Sunday.
Absolutely gutted.
Congrats to all the Armagh posters on here. Enjoy the celebrations lads.
Thanks Galwayman. As has been said- someone has to end up disappointed, commiserations to yourselves though. Have to say every Galway fan I met in Dublin was as gracious in defeat as yourself.
Wish yous all the best for next year and I'm sure there will be more battles between us to come.
I've no doubt there will. The 4 games in the last 3 seasons have been serious stuff!
Saw a video online of McGeeney letting the hair down to Sweet Child O'Mine at some homecoming event. Even as a disappointed Galwayman I love to see stuff like that. It shows what it means to people.
Did he play the air guitar? He would go up in my estimation if he did ;D
Quote from: galwayman on August 01, 2024, 11:28:45 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 01, 2024, 11:09:19 AMQuote from: galwayman on August 01, 2024, 10:54:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 01, 2024, 09:30:31 AMQuote from: galwayman on August 01, 2024, 09:25:38 AMCould not face the online world before now since the final whistle on Sunday.
Absolutely gutted.
Congrats to all the Armagh posters on here. Enjoy the celebrations lads.
Thanks Galwayman. As has been said- someone has to end up disappointed, commiserations to yourselves though. Have to say every Galway fan I met in Dublin was as gracious in defeat as yourself.
Wish yous all the best for next year and I'm sure there will be more battles between us to come.
I've no doubt there will. The 4 games in the last 3 seasons have been serious stuff!
Saw a video online of McGeeney letting the hair down to Sweet Child O'Mine at some homecoming event. Even as a disappointed Galwayman I love to see stuff like that. It shows what it means to people.
Unbelievable to see it. Never met a more dedicated man and just delighted for him and the lads. The way the players look at and speak about him is something special. Man deserves a statue in Armagh.
Joyce probably has similar status in Galway given what he did as a player and although he hasn't got over the line yet he's brought Galway from a low enough starting point to being for sure in the Sam Maguire conversation and wouldn't have begrudged him and Galway if yous had got over the line on Sunday.
100%. On the other side of it we have gobshites from other counties putting up videos on social media of Pj and some of the players letting their hair down on the Monday night - criticizing them for it (i.e. what are they at - they lost the match type thing). Braindead stuff
Aye sure you'd expect them to get straight back to training night ffs. They put enough in let them blow off some steam.
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 01, 2024, 11:29:31 AMQuote from: galwayman on August 01, 2024, 10:54:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 01, 2024, 09:30:31 AMQuote from: galwayman on August 01, 2024, 09:25:38 AMCould not face the online world before now since the final whistle on Sunday.
Absolutely gutted.
Congrats to all the Armagh posters on here. Enjoy the celebrations lads.
Thanks Galwayman. As has been said- someone has to end up disappointed, commiserations to yourselves though. Have to say every Galway fan I met in Dublin was as gracious in defeat as yourself.
Wish yous all the best for next year and I'm sure there will be more battles between us to come.
I've no doubt there will. The 4 games in the last 3 seasons have been serious stuff!
Saw a video online of McGeeney letting the hair down to Sweet Child O'Mine at some homecoming event. Even as a disappointed Galwayman I love to see stuff like that. It shows what it means to people.
Did he play the air guitar? He would go up in my estimation if he did ;D
yup. It is a great video
Any links? I would like to see that.
I seen it on instagram
Quote from: galwayman on August 01, 2024, 11:28:45 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 01, 2024, 11:09:19 AMQuote from: galwayman on August 01, 2024, 10:54:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 01, 2024, 09:30:31 AMQuote from: galwayman on August 01, 2024, 09:25:38 AMCould not face the online world before now since the final whistle on Sunday.
Absolutely gutted.
Congrats to all the Armagh posters on here. Enjoy the celebrations lads.
Thanks Galwayman. As has been said- someone has to end up disappointed, commiserations to yourselves though. Have to say every Galway fan I met in Dublin was as gracious in defeat as yourself.
Wish yous all the best for next year and I'm sure there will be more battles between us to come.
I've no doubt there will. The 4 games in the last 3 seasons have been serious stuff!
Saw a video online of McGeeney letting the hair down to Sweet Child O'Mine at some homecoming event. Even as a disappointed Galwayman I love to see stuff like that. It shows what it means to people.
Unbelievable to see it. Never met a more dedicated man and just delighted for him and the lads. The way the players look at and speak about him is something special. Man deserves a statue in Armagh.
Joyce probably has similar status in Galway given what he did as a player and although he hasn't got over the line yet he's brought Galway from a low enough starting point to being for sure in the Sam Maguire conversation and wouldn't have begrudged him and Galway if yous had got over the line on Sunday.
100%. On the other side of it we have gobshites from other counties putting up videos on social media of Pj and some of the players letting their hair down on the Monday night - criticizing them for it (i.e. what are they at - they lost the match type thing). Braindead stuff
I got that video, think it was locals roaring at Shane Walsh and others in Eyre Square.
Quote from: APM on August 01, 2024, 09:10:14 AMWith some pundits there is no honeymoon period at all.
If you want an example just listen to the begrudgery and backhanded compliments from Dick Clerkin on the Independent Throw-in podcast.
Turned it off after the first 5 mins. Only tuned into it to for morbid curiosity to see how Dick was getting on since Sunday. If you're going to be a so called expert at least try to show a smidgen of impartiality the odd time.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 01, 2024, 01:28:08 PMQuote from: galwayman on August 01, 2024, 11:28:45 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 01, 2024, 11:09:19 AMQuote from: galwayman on August 01, 2024, 10:54:32 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 01, 2024, 09:30:31 AMQuote from: galwayman on August 01, 2024, 09:25:38 AMCould not face the online world before now since the final whistle on Sunday.
Absolutely gutted.
Congrats to all the Armagh posters on here. Enjoy the celebrations lads.
Thanks Galwayman. As has been said- someone has to end up disappointed, commiserations to yourselves though. Have to say every Galway fan I met in Dublin was as gracious in defeat as yourself.
Wish yous all the best for next year and I'm sure there will be more battles between us to come.
I've no doubt there will. The 4 games in the last 3 seasons have been serious stuff!
Saw a video online of McGeeney letting the hair down to Sweet Child O'Mine at some homecoming event. Even as a disappointed Galwayman I love to see stuff like that. It shows what it means to people.
Unbelievable to see it. Never met a more dedicated man and just delighted for him and the lads. The way the players look at and speak about him is something special. Man deserves a statue in Armagh.
Joyce probably has similar status in Galway given what he did as a player and although he hasn't got over the line yet he's brought Galway from a low enough starting point to being for sure in the Sam Maguire conversation and wouldn't have begrudged him and Galway if yous had got over the line on Sunday.
100%. On the other side of it we have gobshites from other counties putting up videos on social media of Pj and some of the players letting their hair down on the Monday night - criticizing them for it (i.e. what are they at - they lost the match type thing). Braindead stuff
I got that video, think it was locals roaring at Shane Walsh and others in Eyre Square.
And footage of Pj "dj-ing" presumably on Sunday night. Certain individuals were also posting it on X.
Just leave them alone like ffs.
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 01, 2024, 09:12:04 AMAnd btw there is not a team in the country Armagh will fear, but I'm sure the big teams won't fear us either. We were more than deserving winners but if a few small margins went the other way Kerry or Galway could have beaten us, same as Galway Dublin. Been saying it now for a long time, very little between the top teams and comes down sometimes to a bit of luck and who turns up on the day. (But sure was told Armagh are clean useless because they kept losing penalties)
This is the nail on the head. I have to say after the provincials last year I thought no Ulster team were in with a shout of winning Sam. Then both Derry and Monaghan gave Kerry and Dublin a hell of a fright in the semis and I thought that Armagh were in with a big chance along with these teams. We were lucky in win it this year as we were in 02 but I don't make any apologies for that as the 02 team were unlucky to lose out for quite a few years before and after and this team have not exactly been blessed with luck for the last few years either.
Finally I'd like to add to the Armagh posters' gratitude to the Galway supporters' best wishes at the final whistle. The Galway supporters around me were great sports and I genuinely hope that if we don't retain it that Galway see the promised land.
Haven't read the whole thread but agree with the last post especially. Often you put yourself in a position where you might win and hard work and luck does the rest.
I shocked a lot of people in Irish bar in Toronto wearing my Tyrone shirt with an Armagh headband on for my good friend Gary in Dublin and Matt in Toronto who treated us very well post match in the WheatSheaf Tavern.
Maybe it's cos we did win recently or that rivalry and hatred is long gone now but I had great craic with Armagh fans and most Galway ones took it well too.
Congrats Armagh and we're so jealous of how ye boys got to celebrate. We didn't have that in 2021.
Our fans have gone to F##K
Armagh hadn't won a semi final previously and came out of Division 2. Maybe relegation last year was a blessing in disguise.
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2024, 12:26:48 PMArmagh hadn't won a semi final previously and came out of Division 2. Maybe relegation last year was a blessing in disguise.
In hindsight can look back and argue a few things aligned for us. Losing the Ulster final on penalties was absolutely gutting for the team and supporters at the time. But if we had won it, would the drive and hunger have been there to push on and salvage the season the only way we could, by winning the big one? The appetite may not have been the same. Remember thinking the day after the Ulster final, could the team turn it around by using it as a motivator. Never dreamt it would work out the way it did.
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2024, 12:26:48 PMArmagh hadn't won a semi final previously and came out of Division 2. Maybe relegation last year was a blessing in disguise.
Div 2 gives you an opportunity to tweak your system and try out subs etc without too much pressure.
Certainly Armagh paced their season better than Derry.
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2024, 12:26:48 PMArmagh hadn't won a semi final previously and came out of Division 2. Maybe relegation last year was a blessing in disguise.
There is definitely something to be said for going into Division 2 if you are a top 8 team. You aren't giving the top teams the opportunity to drill into your game plan, the games are easier so you can give lads game time and build the squad without fear of losing. Good for building momentum going into championship as well.
2022 had two semi finalists from D2 in Galway and Derry
2023 Derry and Dublin
2024 Armagh and Donegal
I'll be shocked if the same thing happens next year though as I think the best 8 teams in the country are in D1 for the first time in a while.
Quote from: Mario on August 02, 2024, 01:05:03 PMI'll be shocked if the same thing happens next year though as I think the best 8 teams in the country are in D1 for the first time in a while
The D1 teams are the top 8 in the betting for next year
Quote from: Mario on August 02, 2024, 01:05:03 PMQuote from: seafoid on August 02, 2024, 12:26:48 PMArmagh hadn't won a semi final previously and came out of Division 2. Maybe relegation last year was a blessing in disguise.
There is definitely something to be said for going into Division 2 if you are a top 8 team. You aren't giving the top teams the opportunity to drill into your game plan, the games are easier so you can give lads game time and build the squad without fear of losing. Good for building momentum going into championship as well.
2022 had two semi finalists from D2 in Galway and Derry
2023 Derry and Dublin
2024 Armagh and Donegal
I'll be shocked if the same thing happens next year though as I think the best 8 teams in the country are in D1 for the first time in a while.
Agree with your last line though counties will now see it as not being the end of the world if they are relegated to division 2. As you said it gives counties the chance to work on things throughout the league knowing they are likely to win most games.
Quote from: square_ball on August 02, 2024, 01:32:27 PMQuote from: Mario on August 02, 2024, 01:05:03 PMQuote from: seafoid on August 02, 2024, 12:26:48 PMArmagh hadn't won a semi final previously and came out of Division 2. Maybe relegation last year was a blessing in disguise.
There is definitely something to be said for going into Division 2 if you are a top 8 team. You aren't giving the top teams the opportunity to drill into your game plan, the games are easier so you can give lads game time and build the squad without fear of losing. Good for building momentum going into championship as well.
2022 had two semi finalists from D2 in Galway and Derry
2023 Derry and Dublin
2024 Armagh and Donegal
I'll be shocked if the same thing happens next year though as I think the best 8 teams in the country are in D1 for the first time in a while.
Agree with your last line though counties will now see it as not being the end of the world if they are relegated to division 2. As you said it gives counties the chance to work on things throughout the league knowing they are likely to win most games.
Can see the logic in all of that. Yet the other argument throughout the year was that a division 2 side might struggle in the championship against teams playing at the higher level.
Quote from: Mario on August 02, 2024, 01:05:03 PMQuote from: seafoid on August 02, 2024, 12:26:48 PMArmagh hadn't won a semi final previously and came out of Division 2. Maybe relegation last year was a blessing in disguise.
There is definitely something to be said for going into Division 2 if you are a top 8 team. You aren't giving the top teams the opportunity to drill into your game plan, the games are easier so you can give lads game time and build the squad without fear of losing. Good for building momentum going into championship as well.
2022 had two semi finalists from D2 in Galway and Derry
2023 Derry and Dublin
2024 Armagh and Donegal
I'll be shocked if the same thing happens next year though as I think the best 8 teams in the country are in D1 for the first time in a while.
Agree with what your saying. The decision to play Glen boys in a league game after the AI club final against limerick looks even more baffling in hindsight.
I can't help thinking about the little things, Ciaran Mackin's injury giving Niall Grimley the chance he took with both hands, Mackin has a totally different style to Grimley, if that injury didn't happen I'm not sure we win the AI to be perfectly honest, but sure if my auntie had balls... and whatnot (in no way is it a dig at Mackin btw).
We closing this thread now? I'm bored ;D
Quote from: bennydorano on August 02, 2024, 01:56:57 PMI can't help thinking about the little things, Ciaran Mackin's injury giving Niall Grimley the chance he took with both hands, Mackin has a totally different style to Grimley, if that injury didn't happen I'm not sure we win the AI to be perfectly honest, but sure if my auntie had balls... and whatnot (in no way is it a dig at Mackin btw).
Some parallels with Down in 1891 there. Liam Austin took a knock in round 1 and Barry Breen moved to midfield. It's doubtful Pete would ever have made that change apart from out of necessity. And without in any way digging at Austin - a fabulous servant to Down football - I doubt Down would have won the AI without that change.
Similarly, Colm O'Rourke not being fit for 70 minutes in the final was possibly as much of a game changer that day as anything that happened on the field. Armagh got it likewise this year with Galway's walking wounded.
Small margins at the highest level.
Quote from: seafoid on August 02, 2024, 12:26:48 PMArmagh hadn't won a semi final previously and came out of Division 2. Maybe relegation last year was a blessing in disguise.
And we still haven't won a penalty kick shoot-out.
Quote from: Orior on August 02, 2024, 03:19:47 PMQuote from: seafoid on August 02, 2024, 12:26:48 PMArmagh hadn't won a semi final previously and came out of Division 2. Maybe relegation last year was a blessing in disguise.
And we still haven't won a penalty kick shoot-out.
Did I see somewhere that they're discussing scrapping them?
Quote from: statto on August 02, 2024, 01:52:28 PMQuote from: Mario on August 02, 2024, 01:05:03 PMQuote from: seafoid on August 02, 2024, 12:26:48 PMArmagh hadn't won a semi final previously and came out of Division 2. Maybe relegation last year was a blessing in disguise.
There is definitely something to be said for going into Division 2 if you are a top 8 team. You aren't giving the top teams the opportunity to drill into your game plan, the games are easier so you can give lads game time and build the squad without fear of losing. Good for building momentum going into championship as well.
2022 had two semi finalists from D2 in Galway and Derry
2023 Derry and Dublin
2024 Armagh and Donegal
I'll be shocked if the same thing happens next year though as I think the best 8 teams in the country are in D1 for the first time in a while.
Agree with what your saying. The decision to play Glen boys in a league game after the AI club final against limerick looks even more baffling in hindsight.
Derry defeated Limerick by 0-16 to 0-4 in Round 1 of the Allianz Football League Division 2 on Saturday January 28th 2023 at Owenbeg. Glass and Doherty played 50 and 53 minutes. Derry went on to win an Ulster Championship and come the closest they have to reaching an All Ireland final in years. Whatever relevance it had at the time I can't see what it has to do with this year's All-Ireland.
Well done Armagh enjoy the celebrations and acclaim.
Quote from: Mario on August 02, 2024, 01:05:03 PMQuote from: seafoid on August 02, 2024, 12:26:48 PMArmagh hadn't won a semi final previously and came out of Division 2. Maybe relegation last year was a blessing in disguise.
There is definitely something to be said for going into Division 2 if you are a top 8 team. You aren't giving the top teams the opportunity to drill into your game plan, the games are easier so you can give lads game time and build the squad without fear of losing. Good for building momentum going into championship as well.
2022 had two semi finalists from D2 in Galway and Derry
2023 Derry and Dublin
2024 Armagh and Donegal
I'll be shocked if the same thing happens next year though as I think the best 8 teams in the country are in D1 for the first time in a while.
Debatable who's the best 8 as isn't a whole lot between the bottom 2 or 3 in Div 1 and 1,2,3rd in Div 2. Won't be any big shock if say Monaghan was to reach the last four of the championship in 2025 although they are probably going through a transition phase at the moment.
Quote from: GTP on August 02, 2024, 03:34:01 PMQuote from: statto on August 02, 2024, 01:52:28 PMQuote from: Mario on August 02, 2024, 01:05:03 PMQuote from: seafoid on August 02, 2024, 12:26:48 PMArmagh hadn't won a semi final previously and came out of Division 2. Maybe relegation last year was a blessing in disguise.
There is definitely something to be said for going into Division 2 if you are a top 8 team. You aren't giving the top teams the opportunity to drill into your game plan, the games are easier so you can give lads game time and build the squad without fear of losing. Good for building momentum going into championship as well.
2022 had two semi finalists from D2 in Galway and Derry
2023 Derry and Dublin
2024 Armagh and Donegal
I'll be shocked if the same thing happens next year though as I think the best 8 teams in the country are in D1 for the first time in a while.
Agree with what your saying. The decision to play Glen boys in a league game after the AI club final against limerick looks even more baffling in hindsight.
Derry defeated Limerick by 0-16 to 0-4 in Round 1 of the Allianz Football League Division 2 on Saturday January 28th 2023 at Owenbeg. Glass and Doherty played 50 and 53 minutes. Derry went on to win an Ulster Championship and come the closest they have to reaching an All Ireland final in years. Whatever relevance it had at the time I can't see what it has to do with this year's All-Ireland.
Well done Armagh enjoy the celebrations and acclaim.
Mario had referenced that being in Division 2 was helpful for Armagh as they were able to blood players which they may not have done had they been in Division 1. The top 2 in Division 2 were well ahead of the pack the last two years and Division two gave Armagh opportunity to blood players like McGrane and Conaty while Derry went for a different approach continually using the same players which was detrimental to improving their squad in the longer term/having a number of key players continually on the go with no rest.
Quote from: statto on August 02, 2024, 03:44:00 PMQuote from: GTP on August 02, 2024, 03:34:01 PMQuote from: statto on August 02, 2024, 01:52:28 PMQuote from: Mario on August 02, 2024, 01:05:03 PMQuote from: seafoid on August 02, 2024, 12:26:48 PMArmagh hadn't won a semi final previously and came out of Division 2. Maybe relegation last year was a blessing in disguise.
There is definitely something to be said for going into Division 2 if you are a top 8 team. You aren't giving the top teams the opportunity to drill into your game plan, the games are easier so you can give lads game time and build the squad without fear of losing. Good for building momentum going into championship as well.
2022 had two semi finalists from D2 in Galway and Derry
2023 Derry and Dublin
2024 Armagh and Donegal
I'll be shocked if the same thing happens next year though as I think the best 8 teams in the country are in D1 for the first time in a while.
Agree with what your saying. The decision to play Glen boys in a league game after the AI club final against limerick looks even more baffling in hindsight.
Derry defeated Limerick by 0-16 to 0-4 in Round 1 of the Allianz Football League Division 2 on Saturday January 28th 2023 at Owenbeg. Glass and Doherty played 50 and 53 minutes. Derry went on to win an Ulster Championship and come the closest they have to reaching an All Ireland final in years. Whatever relevance it had at the time I can't see what it has to do with this year's All-Ireland.
Well done Armagh enjoy the celebrations and acclaim.
Mario had referenced that being in Division 2 was helpful for Armagh as they were able to blood players which they may not have done had they been in Division 1. The top 2 in Division 2 were well ahead of the pack the last two years and Division two gave Armagh opportunity to blood players like McGrane and Conaty while Derry went for a different approach continually using the same players which was detrimental to improving their squad in the longer term/having a number of key players continually on the go with no rest.
OK. Armagh's strong panel helped them win All Ireland having developed it in Division 2. Derry's shallower pool was not developed in Division 2 so hindered them.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 02, 2024, 03:39:44 PMQuote from: Mario on August 02, 2024, 01:05:03 PMQuote from: seafoid on August 02, 2024, 12:26:48 PMArmagh hadn't won a semi final previously and came out of Division 2. Maybe relegation last year was a blessing in disguise.
There is definitely something to be said for going into Division 2 if you are a top 8 team. You aren't giving the top teams the opportunity to drill into your game plan, the games are easier so you can give lads game time and build the squad without fear of losing. Good for building momentum going into championship as well.
2022 had two semi finalists from D2 in Galway and Derry
2023 Derry and Dublin
2024 Armagh and Donegal
I'll be shocked if the same thing happens next year though as I think the best 8 teams in the country are in D1 for the first time in a while.
Debatable who's the best 8 as isn't a whole lot between the bottom 2 or 3 in Div 1 and 1,2,3rd in Div 2. Won't be any big shock if say Monaghan was to reach the last four of the championship in 2025 although they are probably going through a transition phase at the moment.
It would a shock to me. Monaghan won 2 games all year (one v Meath) and shipped a fair few hammerings. Id be amazed if they got to the last 4 next year.
According to championship odds the worst 3 in D1 next year are Derry, Mayo and Tyrone. Roscommon maybe have a shout at being the 8th best in country but there is a gap to the rest of D2.
Anyone know what odds Armagh were at the start of the championship?
Quote from: Armamike on August 02, 2024, 08:53:51 PMAnyone know what odds Armagh were at the start of the championship?
I had a few € on them at 33/1 on Betfair which paid for my ticket. Some people there got a few £ on at 40/1!
Quote from: Armamike on August 02, 2024, 08:53:51 PMAnyone know what odds Armagh were at the start of the championship?
Biggest I seen was 50/1 start of the year. Few people in town had it too.
Quote from: Don Johnson on August 03, 2024, 12:31:12 PMQuote from: Armamike on August 02, 2024, 08:53:51 PMAnyone know what odds Armagh were at the start of the championship?
Biggest I seen was 50/1 start of the year. Few people in town had it too.
Happy people, I suppose.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 03, 2024, 01:50:53 PMQuote from: Don Johnson on August 03, 2024, 12:31:12 PMQuote from: Armamike on August 02, 2024, 08:53:51 PMAnyone know what odds Armagh were at the start of the championship?
Biggest I seen was 50/1 start of the year. Few people in town had it too.
Happy people, I suppose.
Bookies had Armagh at 50/1? Very very generous
Quote from: JoG2 on August 03, 2024, 02:05:06 PMQuote from: armaghniac on August 03, 2024, 01:50:53 PMQuote from: Don Johnson on August 03, 2024, 12:31:12 PMQuote from: Armamike on August 02, 2024, 08:53:51 PMAnyone know what odds Armagh were at the start of the championship?
Biggest I seen was 50/1 start of the year. Few people in town had it too.
Happy people, I suppose.
Bookies had Armagh at 50/1? Very very generous
Possibly former bookies at this stage!
It's worth repeating, Armagh were unbeaten this year that's no fluke. That said it is harder for smaller counties like Armagh or Galway to keep coming back, there is a lot of work in winning one let alone two. So feck the begrudgers.
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 05, 2024, 12:36:51 PMIt's worth repeating, Armagh were unbeaten this year that's no fluke. That said it is harder for smaller counties like Armagh or Galway to keep coming back, there is a lot of work in winning one let alone two. So feck the begrudgers.
They didn't win Ulster, so, technically, they lost?
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 05, 2024, 12:36:51 PMIt's worth repeating, Armagh were unbeaten this year that's no fluke. That said it is harder for smaller counties like Armagh or Galway to keep coming back, there is a lot of work in winning one let alone two. So feck the begrudgers.
Not lost by more than a score since first round of Ulster 2022 in league or championship I think and only championship defeat in that time outside of penalties was to Tyrone in what turned out to be a meaningless group game. Not bad going.
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 05, 2024, 01:13:44 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on August 05, 2024, 12:36:51 PMIt's worth repeating, Armagh were unbeaten this year that's no fluke. That said it is harder for smaller counties like Armagh or Galway to keep coming back, there is a lot of work in winning one let alone two. So feck the begrudgers.
Not lost by more than a score since first round of Ulster 2022 in league or championship I think and only championship defeat in that time outside of penalties was to Tyrone in what turned out to be a meaningless group game. Not bad going.
Armagh built steadily over a number of years and had a bench that could affect each of the games they played in, which proved crucial.
There is no doubt however that the overall strength of the teams around them definitely dipped this year, is this Armagh's fault? No. Do Armagh give a sh*t? Absolutely not.
There is an opportunity maybe to go again because I don't see any of the big hitters being much better next year than they were this year.
Quote from: NAG1 on August 05, 2024, 01:17:27 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on August 05, 2024, 01:13:44 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on August 05, 2024, 12:36:51 PMIt's worth repeating, Armagh were unbeaten this year that's no fluke. That said it is harder for smaller counties like Armagh or Galway to keep coming back, there is a lot of work in winning one let alone two. So feck the begrudgers.
Not lost by more than a score since first round of Ulster 2022 in league or championship I think and only championship defeat in that time outside of penalties was to Tyrone in what turned out to be a meaningless group game. Not bad going.
Armagh built steadily over a number of years and had a bench that could affect each of the games they played in, which proved crucial.
There is no doubt however that the overall strength of the teams around them definitely dipped this year, is this Armagh's fault? No. Do Armagh give a sh*t? Absolutely not.
There is an opportunity maybe to go again because I don't see any of the big hitters being much better next year than they were this year.
Think Galway will improve if they can get their injuries sorted, Derry won't be as useless and neither will Tyrone. Donegal will probably get better again under Jim but definitely wouldn't fear any of those teams.
Dublin and Kerry are definitely back in the pack for the next couple of years anyway.
Just listened to Dick Clerkins and Conor McKeon on the throw in podcast after Armaghs win.
Despite initially praising Armagh the amount of disrespectful comments after that was hard to believe.
Dick pretty much admitting he probably couldn't name the Armagh first 15.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on August 05, 2024, 02:46:45 PMJust listened to Dick Clerkins and Conor McKeon on the throw in podcast after Armaghs win.
Despite initially praising Armagh the amount of disrespectful comments after that was hard to believe.
Dick pretty much admitting he probably couldn't name the Armagh first 15.
Yeah, there are a lot of Pundits who coast along.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on August 05, 2024, 02:46:45 PMJust listened to Dick Clerkins and Conor McKeon on the throw in podcast after Armaghs win.
Despite initially praising Armagh the amount of disrespectful comments after that was hard to believe.
Dick pretty much admitting he probably couldn't name the Armagh first 15.
From the snippet I watched, I think there is a bit of a lost compliment in what he was saying. Each member of the team was a cog in the overall machine, as opposed individual moments of brilliance from outstanding players etc
Got round to watching the Irish Independent pod, can't say I agree that Dick Clerkin was overly disrespectful to Armagh at all. Dunno that Conor Mckeon boy at all tho.
Edit: Clerkin talked about Conaty like he was a total soccer head new to football, showing his thin surface knowledge. Conaty played on a St Pats Armagh team that was beat by a point or 2 in a MacRory semi. Gaa was always there.
When I watched BBCNI's coverage of the AIF after Armagh had won, I thought Michael Murphy looked absolutely gutted at one stage, no doubt he was thinking what a missed opportunity.
Quote from: bennydorano on August 07, 2024, 06:58:48 PMGot round to watching the Irish Independent pod, can't say I agree that Dick Clerkin was overly disrespectful to Armagh at all. Dunno that Conor Mckeon boy at all tho.
Edit: Clerkin talked about Conaty like he was a total soccer head new to football, showing his thin surface knowledge. Conaty played on a St Pats Armagh team that was beat by a point or 2 in a MacRory semi. Gaa was always there.
When I watched BBCNI's coverage of the AIF after Armagh had won, I thought Michael Murphy looked absolutely gutted at one stage, no doubt he was thinking what a missed opportunity.
Yes, that was clear for all to see, he had a look of devastation on his face. However, I realise it's hypothesis and conjecture at this stage, but I don't think the pick of Galway and Donegal were going to beat Armagh in this year's All Ireland Final.
Quote from: bennydorano on August 07, 2024, 06:58:48 PMWhen I watched BBCNI's coverage of the AIF after Armagh had won, I thought Michael Murphy looked absolutely gutted at one stage, no doubt he was thinking what a missed opportunity.
Murphy tipped Galway to win the All Ireland from a while out and didn't change his mind for the final. Perhaps how he looked might had something to do with having money on Galway.
I hear the bigoted TUV complained to the BBC because Sidebottom had Armagh abd Galway colours painted on his face the day of the Final.