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Well guys, already the crap talk has started that Armagh are going to play the same as Derry and a lot of people are dismissing Armagh and no point in us turning up. Not sure of his name now but read last night somewhere that some commentator said Kerry v Donegal or Galway will be a good final. I'm kinda glad that we are being dismissed but a wee bit pissed off too that we don't get the respect we deserve for being there.

Anyway on the game itself...Should be good, Armagh will be defensive but will offer a lot more going forward than Derry and most other teams Kerry have played this year. We will need to keep them close and not let them get away from us as it'll open up and we will get it tight. I'm hopeful but long enough in the tooth to know Kerry will be the favourites and we will have to play to our max to beat them but we can do it.

Quote from: illdecide on July 01, 2024, 09:29:34 AMWell guys, already the crap talk has started that Armagh are going to play the same as Derry and a lot of people are dismissing Armagh and no point in us turning up. Not sure of his name now but read last night somewhere that some commentator said Kerry v Donegal or Galway will be a good final. I'm kinda glad that we are being dismissed but a wee bit pissed off too that we don't get the respect we deserve for being there.

Anyway on the game itself...Should be good, Armagh will be defensive but will offer a lot more going forward than Derry and most other teams Kerry have played this year. We will need to keep them close and not let them get away from us as it'll open up and we will get it tight. I'm hopeful but long enough in the tooth to know Kerry will be the favourites and we will have to play to our max to beat them but we can do it.

We will of course be defensive but I hope we dont go uber defensive like we did against them in the league a couple of years ago; were we struggled to threaten the scoreboard.

I dont think the gap between the sides is that large really but Kerry understandably favourites.  If we can hang in there, we have certainly shown this year that our bench can make an impact late in the game. 

Kerry only broke away from a very poor Derry and over reliant on one player to get scores..

Is it a confidence thing or man for man Kerry have a better team?

Clifford was fairly held for most of that game, barring a great mark he wasn't great

Armagh have opened teams up plenty this year, just grow a set and go for it, this hanging in there to keep the score down is brutal to watch

If we thought we'd no chance we probably just would give it a lash, but as Derry showed Kerry can be contained to an extent, we probably will stick with the tried and tested. Being underdogs should give us freedom to be more expansive

Are we definitely on the Sunday? Bookies seem to think so but is it official?

i personally want sunday though as i think lurgan/Portadown could be edgy with the scarva parade on and crowds heading back from that intoxicated meeting armagh fans equally intoxicated.
just don`t want any issues 

The litmus test for Armagh was always going to be against a Dublin or a Kerry in Croke Park. So we will find out a lot more about ourselves after this match. I think it is going to be a close cagey battle that will be won or lost in the last 10/15 minutes. What happens with a dyed in the wool Kerry man like Donaghy for this match, does he get heavily involved in the team tactics or will he take a step back from his sideline duties? Because I do think we need to get in their face and not be stand offish like we have done in some other big games in the past. Meet them head on and engage them further up the pitch and I think we have a very good chance as I think they are vulnerable in defence. Play a zonal defensive game of containment and we will get what Derry got yesterday.   

Derry were passive to a fault, never went for it at any point, handbrake on the whole time

Have no doubt Armagh will unload physically on Kerry and play right on the edge

Its set up perfectly for Armagh and I reckon they'll do it with a bit to spare, and then lose the final 🤦�♂️

Free hit in this one and not too many outside the county will fancy us.

Think we've the players to keep them reasonably quiet- have the midfield to get the better of the O'Connors and McCambridge and Burns will get the Clifford and O'Shea jobs (helped by the system obviously)

Hope we don't go as defensive as the league game last year but think we've improved from then and are more balanced. Kerry probably the best team left on paper but if Clifford is as bad as yesterday we've a great chance. Turbo and Murnin will fancy a go at that full back line.

Confirmed 13th at 530...

I'm surprised that they put us on in a double header with Down involved in the curtain raiser. There will be huge traffic issues on the M1 again the next day as I don't see too many from Armagh not travelling up since it's our biggest game in years.

Quote from: yellowcard on July 01, 2024, 01:11:55 PMI'm surprised that they put us on in a double header with Down involved in the curtain raiser. There will be huge traffic issues on the M1 again the next day as I don't see too many from Armagh not travelling up since it's our biggest game in years.

biggest game since 2005
any gaa fan from armagh who is fit and well should be at this
there can be no excuses

Quote from: yellowcard on July 01, 2024, 01:11:55 PMI'm surprised that they put us on in a double header with Down involved in the curtain raiser. There will be huge traffic issues on the M1 again the next day as I don't see too many from Armagh not travelling up since it's our biggest game in years.

Be some day to be a burglar around Armagh, every orangeman woman and child will be out of the house for one reason or another.

Likely to be issues around the trains from Lurgan/Portadown as think there is a big day in Scarva for the other orangemen.

That plus the Down ones travelling too will leave it a shit show.

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Quote from: yellowcard on July 01, 2024, 01:11:55 PMI'm surprised that they put us on in a double header with Down involved in the curtain raiser. There will be huge traffic issues on the M1 again the next day as I don't see too many from Armagh not travelling up since it's our biggest game in years.

biggest game since 2005
any gaa fan from armagh who is fit and well should be at this
there can be no excuses

Yeah I know people who probably haven't been to a game since who are talking about going! Hopefully we can get a packed crowd as its the least these lads deserve. 

Are there not railway line issues going on too?

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2024, 01:25:27 PMAre there not railway line issues going on too?

line closed between belfast and newry on 13th

If you watched derry v kerry you would hardly go to this one........Will be the same again.

Quote from: The Trap on July 01, 2024, 01:33:40 PMIf you watched derry v kerry you would hardly go to this one........Will be the same again.

That assumes Armagh will play for a low scoring slugfest similar to Derry, while they have been involved in a few of these games I don't think it's Geezers go-to, I think he'll have looked at that yesterday as an opportunity to get tore into Kerry. Armagh need to get the game to boiling point as quickly as possible and keep it there for as long as possible

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Quote from: The Trap on July 01, 2024, 01:33:40 PMIf you watched derry v kerry you would hardly go to this one........Will be the same again.

That assumes Armagh will play for a low scoring slugfest similar to Derry, while they have been involved in a few of these games I don't think it's Geezers go-to, I think he'll have looked at that yesterday as an opportunity to get tore into Kerry. Armagh need to get the game to boiling point as quickly as possible and keep it there for as long as possible

High risk strategy. Armagh might not be as lucky and get away with as much off the ball stuff that derry got away with.

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Quote from: tiempo on July 01, 2024, 02:10:28 PM

Quote from: The Trap on July 01, 2024, 01:33:40 PMIf you watched derry v kerry you would hardly go to this one........Will be the same again.

That assumes Armagh will play for a low scoring slugfest similar to Derry, while they have been involved in a few of these games I don't think it's Geezers go-to, I think he'll have looked at that yesterday as an opportunity to get tore into Kerry. Armagh need to get the game to boiling point as quickly as possible and keep it there for as long as possible

High risk strategy. Armagh might not be as lucky and get away with as much off the ball stuff that derry got away with.

Kerry were no angels yesterday in the off the ball stuff. And at times the main instigators. It was definitely like for like from where I was sitting. Prime example was O'Connor, who couldn't wait to get stuck into Derry lads that were in his proximity. Obviously they seen McFaul as a weak link in terms of discipline, he was targeted throughout, late hits, pushing/shoving - usual craic.

But Kerry will hope that this narrative, about the rowdy northerners coming down to rough up St David and St Paudie of Fossa, continues into next week.

There'll be concerted effort from the Kerry lads in the media to highlight the treatment of their players by the dirty lads from the north. Especially when they are going to be up against a bigger, more physical side in Armagh.

Their articles, podcasts and interviews in the next fortnight will be an attempt to sway a referee decision here and there. Might get the ref to spot a little jersey holding in the full forward line, when the ref is standing in midfield.. that sort of stuff.

Which is why Armagh have to keep their discipline. It is 70 minutes with a final at the end of it, so no pointless fouls, no slabbering getting frees moved up etc. Make your point on the scoreboard.

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Quote from: yellowcard on July 01, 2024, 01:11:55 PMI'm surprised that they put us on in a double header with Down involved in the curtain raiser. There will be huge traffic issues on the M1 again the next day as I don't see too many from Armagh not travelling up since it's our biggest game in years.

Be some day to be a burglar around Armagh, every orangeman woman and child will be out of the house for one reason or another.

How long will it take you to get from Kerry to Croke Park on Saturday 13th.
Likely to be issues around the trains from Lurgan/Portadown as think there is a big day in Scarva for the other orangemen.

That plus the Down ones travelling too will leave it a shit show.

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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2024, 01:25:27 PMAre there not railway line issues going on too?

line closed between belfast and newry on 13th

Buckfast brigade will have to get buses so. ;)

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Quote from: yellowcard on July 01, 2024, 01:11:55 PMI'm surprised that they put us on in a double header with Down involved in the curtain raiser. There will be huge traffic issues on the M1 again the next day as I don't see too many from Armagh not travelling up since it's our biggest game in years.

Be some day to be a burglar around Armagh, every orangeman woman and child will be out of the house for one reason or another.

How long will it take you to get from Kerry to Croke Park on Saturday 13th.
Likely to be issues around the trains from Lurgan/Portadown as think there is a big day in Scarva for the other orangemen.

That plus the Down ones travelling too will leave it a shit show.

Stop replying to me you dose of shite.

Any word on tickets yet?

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Quote from: tiempo on July 01, 2024, 02:10:28 PM

Quote from: The Trap on July 01, 2024, 01:33:40 PMIf you watched derry v kerry you would hardly go to this one........Will be the same again.

That assumes Armagh will play for a low scoring slugfest similar to Derry, while they have been involved in a few of these games I don't think it's Geezers go-to, I think he'll have looked at that yesterday as an opportunity to get tore into Kerry. Armagh need to get the game to boiling point as quickly as possible and keep it there for as long as possible

High risk strategy. Armagh might not be as lucky and get away with as much off the ball stuff that derry got away with.

Kerry were no angels yesterday in the off the ball stuff. And at times the main instigators. It was definitely like for like from where I was sitting. Prime example was O'Connor, who couldn't wait to get stuck into Derry lads that were in his proximity. Obviously they seen McFaul as a weak link in terms of discipline, he was targeted throughout, late hits, pushing/shoving - usual craic.

But Kerry will hope that this narrative, about the rowdy northerners coming down to rough up St David and St Paudie of Fossa, continues into next week.

There'll be concerted effort from the Kerry lads in the media to highlight the treatment of their players by the dirty lads from the north. Especially when they are going to be up against a bigger, more physical side in Armagh.

Their articles, podcasts and interviews in the next fortnight will be an attempt to sway a referee decision here and there. Might get the ref to spot a little jersey holding in the full forward line, when the ref is standing in midfield.. that sort of stuff.

There is a lot of sanctimony involved with Kerry media and fans. The thought that a 6 foot 2 95 kilos David Clifford is getting a bit of roughhouse treatment off the ball is comical. He is no stranger to a bit of needle himself but they think that opponents should just roll over and have their tummies tickled. Its part of the reason why I think Donaghy might step aside for 2 weeks because we have to be ready to go to war with them in order to have a chance and I'm not sure he can bring that while coming up against his ex team mates. 

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2024, 10:18:16 AMKerry only broke away from a very poor Derry and over reliant on one player to get scores..

Is it a confidence thing or man for man Kerry have a better team?

Clifford was fairly held for most of that game, barring a great mark he wasn't great

Armagh have opened teams up plenty this year, just grow a set and go for it, this hanging in there to keep the score down is brutal to watch

Kerry overreliant on one player?
Kerry have had about 15 different scorers from play in the last 4 games with no one player scoring more than 10% of that total.

Kerry are no angel's but that's the way they are portrayed in the media. I did think watching it that derry were the offenders the majority of the time. Dropping the knees into clifford, mcfaul couldnt walk past a kerry player withour pushing or mouthing at them et etc.

Armaghs reputation rightly or wrongly wouldnt be the best. They will need to keep their heads and avoid any early yellow cards

Quote from: tyrone08 on July 01, 2024, 03:34:08 PMKerry are no angel's but that's the way they are portrayed in the media. I did think watching it that derry were the offenders the majority of the time. Dropping the knees into clifford, mcfaul couldnt walk past a kerry player withour pushing or mouthing at them et etc.

Armaghs reputation rightly or wrongly wouldnt be the best. They will need to keep their heads and avoid any early yellow cards

Yeah it wouldnt be the best and we obviously don't help ourselves with getting involved in the handbags shit from a few years ago and like Tyrone we'll not take a step back if that starts.

Kerry are every bit as bad though no matter what the media would tell you!

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Quote from: tyrone08 on July 01, 2024, 03:34:08 PMKerry are no angel's but that's the way they are portrayed in the media. I did think watching it that derry were the offenders the majority of the time. Dropping the knees into clifford, mcfaul couldnt walk past a kerry player withour pushing or mouthing at them et etc.

Armaghs reputation rightly or wrongly wouldnt be the best. They will need to keep their heads and avoid any early yellow cards

Yeah it wouldnt be the best and we obviously don't help ourselves with getting involved in the handbags shit from a few years ago and like Tyrone we'll not take a step back if that starts.

Kerry are every bit as bad though no matter what the media would tell you!

If you have a reputation as an early riser then you can stay in bed until noon. The last couple of years the Armagh discipline has been as good as everyone else, but people recall Kelly getting stuck into Galway or the rumble after the Tyrone game three years ago.

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Quote from: tyrone08 on July 01, 2024, 03:34:08 PMKerry are no angel's but that's the way they are portrayed in the media. I did think watching it that derry were the offenders the majority of the time. Dropping the knees into clifford, mcfaul couldnt walk past a kerry player withour pushing or mouthing at them et etc.

Armaghs reputation rightly or wrongly wouldnt be the best. They will need to keep their heads and avoid any early yellow cards

Yeah it wouldnt be the best and we obviously don't help ourselves with getting involved in the handbags shit from a few years ago and like Tyrone we'll not take a step back if that starts.

Kerry are every bit as bad though no matter what the media would tell you!

If you have a reputation as an early riser then you can stay in bed until noon. The last couple of years the Armagh discipline has been as good as everyone else, but people recall Kelly getting stuck into Galway or the rumble after the Tyrone game three years ago.

Absolutely. But not a word about the Kerry boys rowing with Louth!

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Quote from: tyrone08 on July 01, 2024, 03:34:08 PMKerry are no angel's but that's the way they are portrayed in the media. I did think watching it that derry were the offenders the majority of the time. Dropping the knees into clifford, mcfaul couldnt walk past a kerry player withour pushing or mouthing at them et etc.

Armaghs reputation rightly or wrongly wouldnt be the best. They will need to keep their heads and avoid any early yellow cards

Yeah it wouldnt be the best and we obviously don't help ourselves with getting involved in the handbags shit from a few years ago and like Tyrone we'll not take a step back if that starts.

Kerry are every bit as bad though no matter what the media would tell you!

If you have a reputation as an early riser then you can stay in bed until noon. The last couple of years the Armagh discipline has been as good as everyone else, but people recall Kelly getting stuck into Galway or the rumble after the Tyrone game three years ago.

Absolutely. But not a word about the Kerry boys rowing with Louth!

Spot on

Tyrone and Armagh men in agreemwnt,

Strange, strange times

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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2024, 10:18:16 AMKerry only broke away from a very poor Derry and over reliant on one player to get scores..

Is it a confidence thing or man for man Kerry have a better team?

Clifford was fairly held for most of that game, barring a great mark he wasn't great

Armagh have opened teams up plenty this year, just grow a set and go for it, this hanging in there to keep the score down is brutal to watch

Kerry overreliant on one player?
Kerry have had about 15 different scorers from play in the last 4 games with no one player scoring more than 10% of that total.

Sorry didn't word that properly.. Derry were/are clearly reliant on one player for most of their scores

I think if u rewatch the Game, the Kerry men were mouthing at the Derry players each mistake they made, 2/3 time a Kerry player was standing over a Derry man kn the ground roaring at him.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 01, 2024, 05:13:36 PMI think if u rewatch the Game, the Kerry men were mouthing at the Derry players each mistake they made, 2/3 time a Kerry player was standing over a Derry man kn the ground roaring at him.

Both teams where at that, Rogers at 1 point celebrated winning a free around midfield where he was in no danger of losing the ball anyway but you'd have swore they'd just scored a goal.

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/power-ranking-gaelic-football-603029?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR06WRVOq3SuaYyRhLHjCJHAMYHy-ESbyqdMBX2pQP4nHesrShG_bRTVDZc_aem_H1ku9y5bqshy5EMrs_T6cw

McGuinness and Geezer be delighted to be reading plenty of this stuff the next couple of weeks.

I fear it's going to be difficult watch with the Kerry/Tally blanket in full operation and Armagh will be cautious in their play not to get caught in their traps.  Semi finals however are for winning and it's good that Armagh have finally reached the last four after missing out the last two years via the nonsense of penalty shootouts.   

Quote from: Armagh18 on July 01, 2024, 04:47:45 PMTyrone and Armagh men in agreemwnt,

Strange, strange times

Very strange but as long as the down ones don't start agreeing with us Im ok

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Quote from: Armagh18 on July 01, 2024, 04:47:45 PMTyrone and Armagh men in agreemwnt,

Strange, strange times

Very strange but as long as the down ones don't start agreeing with us Im ok

no chance of that lol,  though I hope the Armagh support can get in early to cheer on their neighbours in the Europa league final 🤪

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Quote from: Armagh18 on July 01, 2024, 04:47:45 PMTyrone and Armagh men in agreemwnt,

Strange, strange times

Very strange but as long as the down ones don't start agreeing with us Im ok

no chance of that lol,  though I hope the Armagh support can get in early to cheer on their neighbours in the Europa league final 🤪

Cheering for Down or Laois? It would be like having a ballot paper with only the TUV and DUP on it.

I'd happily cheer Down if I thought we'd get the same back.

On second thoughts I'll maybe stay in the pub til nearer 5:30!

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Quote from: Armagh18 on July 01, 2024, 04:47:45 PMTyrone and Armagh men in agreemwnt,

Strange, strange times

Very strange but as long as the down ones don't start agreeing with us Im ok

no chance of that lol,  though I hope the Armagh support can get in early to cheer on their neighbours in the Europa league final 🤪

Cheering for Down or Laois? It would be like having a ballot paper with only the TUV and DUP on it.

Tbf the down men are our neighbours so will give them a shout .

Listening to the various pundits talking about Kerry and its apparent the narrative is that Kerry want to play football but aren't allowed by the negative tactics of the opposition and that only Dublin and Kerry play open football .
It's a very simplistic interpretation and one that will take hold over the next 10/12 days
The referee in this match will be key.
gough or lane ?
Just pray it's not thin eejit who did the Ulster semi final against down.

Quote from: Armagh18 on July 01, 2024, 09:29:52 PMI'd happily cheer Down if I thought we'd get the same back.

On second thoughts I'll maybe stay in the pub til nearer 5:30!

It's easy to cheer on the neighbour when you know they aren't a threat.  ;D

Kerry are a dirty shower and have been this years. Sure Tomas O'Se is one of the main pundits talking about this and while he was a great footballer he was a dirty bollocks.

Quote from: imtommygunn on July 02, 2024, 08:55:50 AMKerry are a dirty shower and have been this years. Sure Tomas O'Se is one of the main pundits talking about this and while he was a great footballer he was a dirty bollocks.

Theres no team angels and if you want to win anything you can't be taking a backwards step when it comes to getting physical/defending yourself. The great Dublin team knew the dark arts as well as anyone, they dragged and bear hugged the Mayo lads for the last kickout in the 2017? final. Absolutely no problem with that but it's the different narrative, if an Ulster team did it they'd be the villains while the Dubs and Kerry can do no wrong.

There are no angels but trying to present yourselves as angels while being less angelic and getting away with it does tend to annoy people.

Sure Dublin had Philly McMahon who was as dirty as they come and them Smalls aren't good either.

Every successful team has them so I don't know why they cry when other teams are at it against them too.

The difference is that the Dubs didn't moan about the rough treatment or complain that they weren't being allowed to play their so called lovely football unhindered. Although they didn't hire Paddy Tally to play lovely football.     

Quote from: yellowcard on July 02, 2024, 09:37:31 AMThe difference is that the Dubs didn't moan about the rough treatment or complain that they weren't being allowed to play their so called lovely football unhindered. Although they didn't hire Paddy Tally to play lovely football.     

In fairness the Dubs always won bar Donegal. Kerry couldn't handle that Tyrone team.

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Quote from: Armagh18 on July 01, 2024, 04:47:45 PMTyrone and Armagh men in agreemwnt,

Strange, strange times

Very strange but as long as the down ones don't start agreeing with us Im ok

no chance of that lol,  though I hope the Armagh support can get in early to cheer on their neighbours in the Europa league final 🤪

Cheering for Down or Laois? It would be like having a ballot paper with only the TUV and DUP on it.

Tbf the down men are our neighbours so will give them a shout .

Listening to the various pundits talking about Kerry and its apparent the narrative is that Kerry want to play football but aren't allowed by the negative tactics of the opposition and that only Dublin and Kerry play open football .
It's a very simplistic interpretation and one that will take hold over the next 10/12 days
The referee in this match will be key.
gough or lane ?
Just pray it's not thin eejit who did the Ulster semi final against down.

Do you mean Sean Hurson who referred the game from the sideline or the man with the whistle that day?

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Quote from: Armagh18 on July 01, 2024, 04:47:45 PMTyrone and Armagh men in agreemwnt,

Strange, strange times

Very strange but as long as the down ones don't start agreeing with us Im ok

no chance of that lol,  though I hope the Armagh support can get in early to cheer on their neighbours in the Europa league final 🤪

Cheering for Down or Laois? It would be like having a ballot paper with only the TUV and DUP on it.

Tbf the down men are our neighbours so will give them a shout .

Listening to the various pundits talking about Kerry and its apparent the narrative is that Kerry want to play football but aren't allowed by the negative tactics of the opposition and that only Dublin and Kerry play open football .
It's a very simplistic interpretation and one that will take hold over the next 10/12 days
The referee in this match will be key.
gough or lane ?
Just pray it's not thin eejit who did the Ulster semi final against down.

Do you mean Sean Hurson who referred the game from the sideline or the man with the whistle that day?

Hurson was woeful in Galway game too.

Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2024, 04:01:18 PMbut people recall Kelly getting stuck into Galway

Interesting way of phrasing an eye gouge. Things of a particularly trampish nature like that are neither easily nor quickly forgotten. Nor should they be.

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Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2024, 04:01:18 PMbut people recall Kelly getting stuck into Galway

Interesting way of phrasing an eye gouge. Things of a particularly trampish nature like that are neither easily nor quickly forgotten. Nor should they be.

I didn't phrase it to minimise it, it was a disgrace. Yet that was one of the better games of 2022 and that event came at the end and that should not be given undue prominence either. A team cannot be characterised only by what a sub does at the end of a game.

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Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2024, 04:01:18 PMbut people recall Kelly getting stuck into Galway

Interesting way of phrasing an eye gouge. Things of a particularly trampish nature like that are neither easily nor quickly forgotten. Nor should they be.

I didn't phrase it to minimise it, it was a disgrace. Yet that was one of the better games of 2022 and that event came at the end and that should not be given undue prominence either. A team cannot be characterised only by what a sub does at the end of a game.

He wasn't even a sub that day either!

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Quote from: Armagh18 on July 01, 2024, 04:47:45 PMTyrone and Armagh men in agreemwnt,

Strange, strange times

Very strange but as long as the down ones don't start agreeing with us Im ok

no chance of that lol,  though I hope the Armagh support can get in early to cheer on their neighbours in the Europa league final 🤪

Cheering for Down or Laois? It would be like having a ballot paper with only the TUV and DUP on it.

Tbf the down men are our neighbours so will give them a shout .

Listening to the various pundits talking about Kerry and its apparent the narrative is that Kerry want to play football but aren't allowed by the negative tactics of the opposition and that only Dublin and Kerry play open football .
It's a very simplistic interpretation and one that will take hold over the next 10/12 days
The referee in this match will be key.
gough or lane ?
Just pray it's not thin eejit who did the Ulster semi final against down.

Do you mean Sean Hurson who referred the game from the sideline or the man with the whistle that day?

fair point both

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Quote from: Armagh18 on July 01, 2024, 04:47:45 PMTyrone and Armagh men in agreemwnt,

Strange, strange times

Very strange but as long as the down ones don't start agreeing with us Im ok

no chance of that lol,  though I hope the Armagh support can get in early to cheer on their neighbours in the Europa league final 🤪

Cheering for Down or Laois? It would be like having a ballot paper with only the TUV and DUP on it.

Tbf the down men are our neighbours so will give them a shout .

Listening to the various pundits talking about Kerry and its apparent the narrative is that Kerry want to play football but aren't allowed by the negative tactics of the opposition and that only Dublin and Kerry play open football .
It's a very simplistic interpretation and one that will take hold over the next 10/12 days
The referee in this match will be key.
gough or lane ?
Just pray it's not thin eejit who did the Ulster semi final against down.

I find that narrative very hard to listen to. It's basically an anti Northern thing in the southern media. You never hear it said about the Connacht teams. Derry have now dragged Mayo and Kerry down to play this horrible game. Armagh now will do the same. The best games of the year have all involved Ulster teams as well.

Tyrone the only team to beat Armagh in Championship since 2021.*

*excluding penalties

Quote from: inroundthesquare on July 02, 2024, 04:51:04 PMTyrone the only team to beat Armagh in Championship since 2021.*

*excluding penalties

Donegal in Ulster 2022 gave us a beating in first round.

Tyrone last team to beat them then

Impressive record for Armagh, semi final is deserved for their consistency over the past few years

Quote from: inroundthesquare on July 02, 2024, 05:08:21 PMTyrone last team to beat them then

Impressive record for Armagh, semi final is deserved for their consistency over the past few years

In a game that didn't really matter, those group games are not really proper cut and thrust championship matches. The consistency goes a bit under the radar but it has been fairly remarkable for 2 full seasons now. We've kept a clean sheet in defence in 13 out of 15 League and championship games this season and one of those was a defeat to Cork in a dead rubber League match at the end of the League.   

Anyone know if another batch of tickets will be released? Was coming home from NYC today and all that's left is rubbish behind goals, or very top of upper Cusack.

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Quote from: inroundthesquare on July 02, 2024, 05:08:21 PMTyrone last team to beat them then

Impressive record for Armagh, semi final is deserved for their consistency over the past few years

In a game that didn't really matter, those group games are not really proper cut and thrust championship matches. The consistency goes a bit under the radar but it has been fairly remarkable for 2 full seasons now. We've kept a clean sheet in defence in 13 out of 15 League and championship games this season and one of those was a defeat to Cork in a dead rubber League match at the end of the League.   

Any game against Tyrone matters as you can't listen to them boys if they win lol.

We were poor, had Rian sent off and probably still could have nicked it.

Was a draw with Cork in the league was it not?

Quote from: 5times5times on July 02, 2024, 05:28:54 PMAnyone know if another batch of tickets will be released? Was coming home from NYC today and all that's left is rubbish behind goals, or very top of upper Cusack.

Upper Cusack grand is it not?

Presume there'll be decent seats available later in the week if not all season ticket holders take one. Someone said they hadn't even opened upper Hogan for sale yet.

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Quote from: inroundthesquare on July 02, 2024, 05:08:21 PMTyrone last team to beat them then

Impressive record for Armagh, semi final is deserved for their consistency over the past few years

In a game that didn't really matter, those group games are not really proper cut and thrust championship matches. The consistency goes a bit under the radar but it has been fairly remarkable for 2 full seasons now. We've kept a clean sheet in defence in 13 out of 15 League and championship games this season and one of those was a defeat to Cork in a dead rubber League match at the end of the League.   

Any game against Tyrone matters as you can't listen to them boys if they win lol.

We were poor, had Rian sent off and probably still could have nicked it.

Was a draw with Cork in the league was it not?

Yes, you're right it was a draw. 

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Quote from: 5times5times on July 02, 2024, 05:28:54 PMAnyone know if another batch of tickets will be released? Was coming home from NYC today and all that's left is rubbish behind goals, or very top of upper Cusack.

Upper Cusack grand is it not?

Presume there'll be decent seats available later in the week if not all season ticket holders take one. Someone said they hadn't even opened upper Hogan for sale yet.

I prefer absolutely anywhere in the upper decks over the lower, not a bad seat anywhere in the uppers, loads in the lowers - imo.

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Quote from: 5times5times on July 02, 2024, 05:28:54 PMAnyone know if another batch of tickets will be released? Was coming home from NYC today and all that's left is rubbish behind goals, or very top of upper Cusack.

Upper Cusack grand is it not?

Presume there'll be decent seats available later in the week if not all season ticket holders take one. Someone said they hadn't even opened upper Hogan for sale yet.

I prefer absolutely anywhere in the upper decks over the lower, not a bad seat anywhere in the uppers, loads in the lowers - imo.

Only upper they have available at the moment are 701 & 702.. Ie, the endline and behind.

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Quote from: 5times5times on July 02, 2024, 05:28:54 PMAnyone know if another batch of tickets will be released? Was coming home from NYC today and all that's left is rubbish behind goals, or very top of upper Cusack.

Upper Cusack grand is it not?

Presume there'll be decent seats available later in the week if not all season ticket holders take one. Someone said they hadn't even opened upper Hogan for sale yet.

I prefer absolutely anywhere in the upper decks over the lower, not a bad seat anywhere in the uppers, loads in the lowers - imo.

Only upper they have available at the moment are 701 & 702.. Ie, the endline and behind.

There was an Armagh fan on Twitter selling 2 tickets face value - not sure if he still has them but might be worth a shot.

https://x.com/pablo_wilson/status/1808128914486603788?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg

Are Armagh at 9/4 worth a look? Kerry didn't look hectic against Derry last day.

Quote from: Dag Dog on July 04, 2024, 12:03:08 PMAre Armagh at 9/4 worth a look? Kerry didn't look hectic against Derry last day.

was thinking that myself  that been said Kerry could pull away from derry when needed   

From the belfast telegraph

Armagh fans should realise just how lucky they are to have Kieran McGeeney


Ten years ago, Kieran McGeeney took charge of an Armagh team that was haunted by the ghosts of past success, and the generation of Orchard fans that became accustomed to watching great teams in the Noughties were not willing to lower their expectations.
Once in a generation players like Oisin McConville, Steven McDonnell and Francie Bellew all happened to be lining out at the same time and with Joe Kernan at the helm, they had the greatest manager in their history in place to guide them.

It was a magical time and although this team only reached two All-Ireland Finals (winning one), they had some massive days on the journey and lifted five Ulster titles in the process.
Father Time wasn't willing to press pause however and as each gifted player went through the revolving exit door, year by year the team as a whole began to deteriorate.
Eventually the unthinkable happened, and this once proud footballing powerhouse found itself in Division Three, with little to no hope of winning anything, and fans only found joy by looking backwards rather than forwards.
So, who better to bridge the gap between the golden generation and the new hopefuls coming through than McGeeney, the man who captained that fantastic side and whose leadership qualities are famous in GAA circles?

The Armagh legend had recently brought pride back into the county of Kildare, leading them to an All-Ireland Semi-Final, which they infamously lost against Donegal in 2011, and the Leinster side has been crying out for someone like him ever since.
The reality of the situation in Armagh is this — they haven't won an Ulster title since 2008, haven't featured in an All-Ireland Final since 2003, haven't reached an All-Ireland Semi-Final since 2005 and have had zero success at minor level since 2009.
If we're being brutally honest, McGeeney hasn't had a lot to work with. There hasn't been a new young crop of promising players all coming at once, and even Crossmaglen's famous dominance in the county has stalled, so they are no longer churning out superstars that compete in Ulster Club and All-Ireland Championships on the regular anymore.
Despite this, McGeeney has created a squad that has now found its way back into the very top division. They have played in back-to-back Ulster Finals, losing both on penalties, and on Saturday he brought them to their first All-Ireland Semi-Final in 19 years.

The former Na Fianna star's biggest quality is his ability to retain players. While the likes of Tyrone and Derry seem to have an exodus of stars every single season, Armagh hang on to their main men, even when their roles have been relegated to coming off the bench.
This means they have built a squad of great depth, resolve and versatility, as they can play multiple brands of football, depending on the opposition they face.
Yes, he has been given the time to do this, and if they had won just one of the four penalty shoot-outs that they've lost in the last three years, they would be even further ahead on this journey still, but they have got there now nonetheless.

I couldn't believe my eyes when I was scrolling through social media after the Ulster Final two months ago that saw Donegal beat Armagh in a shoot-out, and fans from the county were demanding that he leaves his job as manager.
This is a team that has won a grand total of one All-Ireland title — their fans are not in a position to be as entitled as that, in my opinion.
Every year they come back a little bit better, a little bit sharper and a little bit closer to success and in my book, that's progress. As far as I'm concerned, Armagh fans should be hoping that this incredible journey that they have been on in recent years doesn't come to an end because if McGeeney does decide to leave, then it just might.

Would agree with most of that article...

Hard to argue with most of that.

Trying to buy an adult and juvenile ticket for next Sat games and they keep trying to charge me for 2 adult tickets? It's lower hogan. I got juvenile tickets last year in thr cusack. 

I don't think they do juvenile tickets in Hogan?

Quote from: Rossfan on July 05, 2024, 05:33:06 PMI don't think they do juvenile tickets in Hogan?

Yeah your right thanks. Upper cusack so.

Francie Bellew, a once in a generation player?
Would anyone else pick him in a top 3 players of that generation?
Marsden, J McEntee, McGeeney and Clarke would be ahead of him imo.

Quote from: blanketattack on July 05, 2024, 11:30:28 PMFrancie Bellew, a once in a generation player?
Would anyone else pick him in a top 3 players of that generation?
Marsden, J McEntee, McGeeney and Clarke would be ahead of him imo.

A cult hero. McConville and McDonnell better than any of the boys you mentioned bar Geezer too

Quote from: Blowitupref on July 05, 2024, 04:03:36 PMFrom the belfast telegraph

Armagh fans should realise just how lucky they are to have Kieran McGeeney

This article is a bit of a stretch. Who have Armagh actually beaten outside of Ulster in the championship so far? Beating Roscommon in Croker isn't impressive in the slightest. If Kerry put them to the sword, the knives will rightly be out for McGeeney again.

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Quote from: Blowitupref on July 05, 2024, 04:03:36 PMFrom the belfast telegraph

Armagh fans should realise just how lucky they are to have Kieran McGeeney

This article is a bit of a stretch. Who have Armagh actually beaten outside of Ulster in the championship so far? Beating Roscommon in Croker isn't impressive in the slightest. If Kerry put them to the sword, the knives will rightly be out for McGeeney again.

They have only played Galway and Roscommon outside of Ulster in the championship which can't be helped and unbeaten in those games.mcgeeney gets very little credit for what he does right and alot of criticism for what he does wrong.in the Roscommon game he got his matchups right shutting down their key men and putting murtagh on the back foot resulting in mc Cambridge kicked 1-2.Conaty on McHugh was another really good matchup which limited mchughs effectiveness.The decision in Celtic Park to play Grimley, o Neill, Crealey round middle and really go after kickout  set platform for the win.  He has also lost a key man in Mackin at 6 and repositioned Kelly there who has more than justified his place in team for me. 

Is it true that Armagh have won or drawn 21 of their last 22 Championship games (both Ulster and AI) in playing time,as opposed to shoot outs?

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.

I make it 11 wins, 5 draws (4 AET) and one loss in normal time since the ballybofey defeat in the 2022 USFC. Tyrone in the group stages being the only loss.

Is there any team has played in as many drawn games?

Quote from: APM on July 06, 2024, 09:40:30 AMI think that's a bit of an exaggeration.

I make it 11 wins, 5 draws (4 AET) and one loss in normal time since the ballybofey defeat in the 2022 USFC. Tyrone in the group stages being the only loss.

Is there any team has played in as many drawn games?

Think our biggest defeat in league and championship in that time is 3 points as well. We're clearly not a million miles away.

I would say mcgeeney tactically is not at the level to take armagh to the next level.  He'll do so much but when the game is in the melting pot I wouldn't be backing him.  So many penalty shoot out defeats is not bad luck, it's poor decision making on the line, in games they should have won.  Different if they're losing penalty shoot outs to dublin or kerry

Quote from: An Watcher on July 06, 2024, 01:25:02 PMI would say mcgeeney tactically is not at the level to take armagh to the next level.  He'll do so much but when the game is in the melting pot I wouldn't be backing him.  So many penalty shoot out defeats is not bad luck, it's poor decision making on the line, in games they should have won.  Different if they're losing penalty shoot outs to dublin or kerry

Think most of them games were lost by individual mistakes. Galway and Derry game there were chsnces for boys to win the game with a goal but they took the easy option of a handy point. Derry and Donegal games Grugan and TK and others missed handy enough chances you'r expect them to score.

Agree on Monaghan, honestly wanted him gone after that felt we set up cowardly against a very beatable side and allowed them to drag it to a shitty tight game which suited them.

Think between Geezer and the calibre of help he has there should be enough know how to set up tactically. Gilligan seems to be shrewd enough.

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Quote from: APM on July 06, 2024, 09:40:30 AMI think that's a bit of an exaggeration.

I make it 11 wins, 5 draws (4 AET) and one loss in normal time since the ballybofey defeat in the 2022 USFC. Tyrone in the group stages being the only loss.

Is there any team has played in as many drawn games?

Think our biggest defeat in league and championship in that time is 3 points as well. We're clearly not a million miles away.

In recent years,Armagh has become relatively consistent, that 2002 Donegal debacle aside. Even when we we lost there wasn't much in it. That holds out the hope of remaining close to Kerry and in such a game you might get a bit of good fortune to get you over the line. 

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Quote from: APM on July 06, 2024, 09:40:30 AMI think that's a bit of an exaggeration.

I make it 11 wins, 5 draws (4 AET) and one loss in normal time since the ballybofey defeat in the 2022 USFC. Tyrone in the group stages being the only loss.

Is there any team has played in as many drawn games?

Think our biggest defeat in league and championship in that time is 3 points as well. We're clearly not a million miles away.

In recent years,Armagh has become relatively consistent, that 2002 Donegal debacle aside. Even when we we lost there wasn't much in it. That holds out the hope of remaining close to Kerry and in such a game you might get a bit of good fortune to get you over the line. 

And with our forwards and their defence you would have every chance of nicking a late goal.

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Quote from: Blowitupref on July 05, 2024, 04:03:36 PMFrom the belfast telegraph

Armagh fans should realise just how lucky they are to have Kieran McGeeney

This article is a bit of a stretch. Who have Armagh actually beaten outside of Ulster in the championship so far? Beating Roscommon in Croker isn't impressive in the slightest. If Kerry put them to the sword, the knives will rightly be out for McGeeney again.

Don't think it's a stretch at all. They are into the last four and got there by topping their group (arguably the hardest group to top) and beat Roscommon who took out Tyrone in Omagh the week before. They only missed out on the last four the last two years on a penalty shootouts. Next year Armagh will play in Div 1 for the 4th time in 5 years. The point of the article is McGeeney from the position where he took on this job he has greatly improved them, they are now competitive top eight side who are well organised and difficult to beat as seen with just one defeat in 70 minutes in the championship since May 2022.

This upcoming semi final will tell us if All Ireland semi final is the ceiling for this Armagh side or can they break through that glass ceiling by overcoming Kerry.

Surely if MH is a busted flush for not beating a Dublin, Kerry in years would we not need to attach the same criteria to KMcG? Until he beats one of the big teams there'll always be questions about how much he really brings to the table.
A beating by Kerry, and I'd still be of the opinion he's lacking to get Armagh over the line,

Seeking progress was the name of the game for Armagh in this 2024 championship season.  Last weekend was opportunity to see where Armagh was in that regard as last year also topped the group they weren't expected to top.  Monaghan and Roscommon are around the same level and lessons was learnt from last year and progress made.  McGeeney deserves credit for that regardless how the next weekend's All Ireland semi final goes.

Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 06, 2024, 03:25:40 PMSurely if MH is a busted flush for not beating a Dublin, Kerry in years would we not need to attach the same criteria to KMcG? Until he beats one of the big teams there'll always be questions about how much he really brings to the table.
A beating by Kerry, and I'd still be of the opinion he's lacking to get Armagh over the line,

There are beatings and beatings. Being beaten by point where otherwise good players had bad wides or silly dispossessions is not really the fault of the manager.

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Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 06, 2024, 03:25:40 PMSurely if MH is a busted flush for not beating a Dublin, Kerry in years would we not need to attach the same criteria to KMcG? Until he beats one of the big teams there'll always be questions about how much he really brings to the table.
A beating by Kerry, and I'd still be of the opinion he's lacking to get Armagh over the line,

There are beatings and beatings. Being beaten by point where otherwise good players had bad wides or silly dispossessions is not really the fault of the manager.

Only one I'd fault him for set up was Monaghan.

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Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 06, 2024, 03:25:40 PMSurely if MH is a busted flush for not beating a Dublin, Kerry in years would we not need to attach the same criteria to KMcG? Until he beats one of the big teams there'll always be questions about how much he really brings to the table.
A beating by Kerry, and I'd still be of the opinion he's lacking to get Armagh over the line,

There are beatings and beatings. Being beaten by point where otherwise good players had bad wides or silly dispossessions is not really the fault of the manager.

Would not pushing on to try and get a winner be considered a fault? Or moving too defensive when the team plays better on the front foot?

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Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 06, 2024, 03:25:40 PMSurely if MH is a busted flush for not beating a Dublin, Kerry in years would we not need to attach the same criteria to KMcG? Until he beats one of the big teams there'll always be questions about how much he really brings to the table.
A beating by Kerry, and I'd still be of the opinion he's lacking to get Armagh over the line,

There are beatings and beatings. Being beaten by point where otherwise good players had bad wides or silly dispossessions is not really the fault of the manager.

Would not pushing on to try and get a winner be considered a fault? Or moving too defensive when the team plays better on the front foot?

Yeah thats a valid point. Not going to sit here and argue that Geezer is perfect or anywhere close, but I think he has us in a decent place given the lack of success our underage, schools and club teams have had in the last decade plus.

Another thing he has done brilliantly is that almost every player you'd want playing is with the squad and is fully bought in, its credit that players as good as Soupy, Oisin O'Neill and Nugent are only coming off the bench but are still committed.

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Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 06, 2024, 03:25:40 PMSurely if MH is a busted flush for not beating a Dublin, Kerry in years would we not need to attach the same criteria to KMcG? Until he beats one of the big teams there'll always be questions about how much he really brings to the table.
A beating by Kerry, and I'd still be of the opinion he's lacking to get Armagh over the line,

There are beatings and beatings. Being beaten by point where otherwise good players had bad wides or silly dispossessions is not really the fault of the manager.

Would not pushing on to try and get a winner be considered a fault? Or moving too defensive when the team plays better on the front foot?

Yeah thats a valid point. Not going to sit here and argue that Geezer is perfect or anywhere close, but I think he has us in a decent place given the lack of success our underage, schools and club teams have had in the last decade plus.

Another thing he has done brilliantly is that almost every player you'd want playing is with the squad and is fully bought in, its credit that players as good as Soupy, Oisin O'Neill and Nugent are only coming off the bench but are still committed.

Kildare thought the same about McGeeney. Turned out he had them punching above their weight. Maybe he is doing similar with Armagh.

Quote from: snoopdog on July 06, 2024, 08:34:13 PMKildare thought the same about McGeeney. Turned out he had them punching above their weight. Maybe he is doing similar with Armagh.

McGeeney managed the Kildare senior football team from 2007 until 2013. In that period they contested ONE Leinster Final in 2009 . They won No Leinsters! The team also reached the 2010 All-Ireland SFC semi-final in 2010, losing narrowly to Down.

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Quote from: snoopdog on July 06, 2024, 08:34:13 PMKildare thought the same about McGeeney. Turned out he had them punching above their weight. Maybe he is doing similar with Armagh.

McGeeney managed the Kildare senior football team from 2007 until 2013. In that period they contested ONE Leinster Final in 2009 . They won No Leinsters! The team also reached the 2010 All-Ireland SFC semi-final in 2010, losing narrowly to Down.

And what had they achieved before that? Apart from Micko's time.
All I'm saying is if Armagh lose on Saturday then they need to be careful regards McGeeney. It's quite possible he is already getting the most out of this group of players. And thry aren't that far off. A change in management quite possibly will see them drop off a bit.

I've flip flopped on McGeeney a couple of times, the Monaghan game a bit of a nadir, the Donegal league final was infuriating as well. But - I've then watched 3 months of Armagh club football to date and you honest to god watch it sometimes and realise our current County team strength is a huge achievement - a lot of the Armagh support don't bother with club football at all so are largely oblivious.

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Quote from: snoopdog on July 06, 2024, 08:34:13 PMKildare thought the same about McGeeney. Turned out he had them punching above their weight. Maybe he is doing similar with Armagh.

McGeeney managed the Kildare senior football team from 2007 until 2013. In that period they contested ONE Leinster Final in 2009 . They won No Leinsters! The team also reached the 2010 All-Ireland SFC semi-final in 2010, losing narrowly to Down.

And what had they achieved before that? Apart from Micko's time.
All I'm saying is if Armagh lose on Saturday then they need to be careful regards McGeeney. It's quite possible he is already getting the most out of this group of players. And thry aren't that far off. A change in management quite possibly will see them drop off a bit.

Miko had brought them up a level, Contesting and winning Leinster's, contesting AI finals. With McGeeney Kildare floated around the back-door with some good results - but nothing of note.  Seanie Johnston's inter-county transfer from Cavan to Kildare was one of the more embarrassing episodes of that era.

Quote from: bennydorano on July 07, 2024, 09:12:12 AMI've flip flopped on McGeeney a couple of times, the Monaghan game a bit of a nadir, the Donegal league final was infuriating as well. But - I've then watched 3 months of Armagh club football to date and you honest to god watch it sometimes and realise our current County team strength is a huge achievement - a lot of the Armagh support don't bother with club football at all so are largely o

Quote from: bennydorano on July 07, 2024, 09:12:12 AMI've flip flopped on McGeeney a couple of times, the Monaghan game a bit of a nadir, the Donegal league final was infuriating as well. But - I've then watched 3 months of Armagh club football to date and you honest to god watch it sometimes and realise our current County team strength is a huge achievement - a lot of the Armagh support don't bother with club football at all so are largely oblivious.

You will soon hear about it on social media that then non club supporter can't get a ticket or the train times don't suit them or are unable to get train tickets.near as bad as england fans regarding entitlement.

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Quote from: snoopdog on July 06, 2024, 08:34:13 PMKildare thought the same about McGeeney. Turned out he had them punching above their weight. Maybe he is doing similar with Armagh.

McGeeney managed the Kildare senior football team from 2007 until 2013. In that period they contested ONE Leinster Final in 2009 . They won No Leinsters! The team also reached the 2010 All-Ireland SFC semi-final in 2010, losing narrowly to Down.

And what had they achieved before that? Apart from Micko's time.
All I'm saying is if Armagh lose on Saturday then they need to be careful regards McGeeney. It's quite possible he is already getting the most out of this group of players. And thry aren't that far off. A change in management quite possibly will see them drop off a bit.

Miko had brought them up a level, Contesting and winning Leinster's, contesting AI finals. With McGeeney Kildare floated around the back-door with some good results - but nothing of note.  Seanie Johnston's inter-county transfer from Cavan to Kildare was one of the more embarrassing episodes of that era.

one all Ireland which they lost?

They can't even make a Tailteann final now!

That Johnston episode was some embarrassment alright.
Talk about bringing a sport into disrepute.....

I'd say Kildare fans would take their form under McGeeney back in a heartbeat compare to now.

Armagh had some low days pre that team of the late 90's and noughties.

How often has geezer changed his back room staff during his time with Armagh?

Quote from: imtommygunn on July 02, 2024, 08:55:50 AMKerry are a dirty shower and have been this years. Sure Tomas O'Se is one of the main pundits talking about this and while he was a great footballer he was a dirty bollocks.

Be careful not to get Covid lads as they are very allergic to that topic in Kerry 😂

For what it's worth, from the outside looking in, Armagh have been consistently in the top 10 teams in Ireland during Mcgeeney's time with a fair bit of time in the top 6 in the country with a group of players without any stars.
For me, that's punching above where they are in terms of individual players.
What manager would have done better? For those calling for Mcgeeney to leave, be careful what you wish for.

I actually think Armagh have a really good chance of beating Kerry here - but they need to play it cool and not go all guns blazing. Play the defensive game and attack on the counter. It was actually working for Derry, only their counter wasn't at the races at all and when we had to chase the game it opened us up at the back letting Kerry do what they do. But the defensive part had Kerry frustrated and making mistakes. Armagh should be able to counter better than we did.

It would be great to see a final without Kerry and Dublin there.

So for once, I'll back the apple picking, buckfast drinking, bandwagon hopping orangemen for the win.  ;D

Looks like a very poor attendance for this game. Lot of the upper deck not planned to be open, and behind the goals full of empty seats.

Maybe people holding out to Thurs/Fri isnt the best idea?

I'm quietly confident.

On the McGeeney thing I would be careful what you wish for is right.

I think a lot of Armagh people though remember how Joe Kernan won us the All Ireland after the 2 Brians had taken us to a very good place but just not to that top level. Similar to Dooher and Logan more recently coming in and taking Hartes team to the next level in 21. People maybe think/thought a new manager like a Malachy O'Rourke etc would see us kick on to the next level.

Maybe it would or maybe we'd see a big drop off, I'm not sure any other manager would get the same buy in as McGeeney has got from our lads.

Quote from: Armagh18 on July 07, 2024, 10:53:06 AMI'd say Kildare fans would take their form under McGeeney back in a heartbeat compare to now.

Armagh had some low days pre that team of the late 90's and noughties.

In the mid 70s, which is before I saw much of Armagh, they were something like 31st in the country (above Kilkenny) and had to get someone from the crowd to line out in a league game. Then things were tightened up and you had the 1977 AI final and some Ulster titles, and twice reaching the national league final (to lose to neighbours :o). They never returned to the lows of the previous decade, being at least a middling team at all times, but there were other good Ulster teams in the mid 90s, as the AI victories showed.

Quote from: tbrick18 on July 09, 2024, 11:40:25 AMFor what it's worth, from the outside looking in, Armagh have been consistently in the top 10 teams in Ireland during Mcgeeney's time with a fair bit of time in the top 6 in the country with a group of players without any stars.

I don't think they were in the top 10 seven or eight years ago. We were in Div 3, and were beaten in Ulster by Fermanagh and Down FFS. Obviously they had some of the players they currently have and the likes of Jamie Clarke would get on any team in Ireland. But they did build from that time and are now a threat to any team. With good minors this year hopefully they won't fall back too far.

Jaysus lads, what's all this negativity and managerial change talk about 4 days out from an All Ireland Semi Final.  Let's get the positive juices flowing ... Armagh by 5 pulling up!  8)

Quote from: balladmaker on July 09, 2024, 02:18:34 PMJaysus lads, what's all this negativity and managerial change talk about 4 days out from an All Ireland Semi Final.  Let's get the positive juices flowing ... Armagh by 5 pulling up!  8)

I fully believe Armagh could win this by a few, expecting a grade A performance as they'll need every ounce of it

But I fear Donegals name is on the cup, Armagh could win the semi only to lose an Ulster derby final, which would be excruciating

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Quote from: balladmaker on July 09, 2024, 02:18:34 PMJaysus lads, what's all this negativity and managerial change talk about 4 days out from an All Ireland Semi Final.  Let's get the positive juices flowing ... Armagh by 5 pulling up!  8)

I fully believe Armagh could win this by a few, expecting a grade A performance as they'll need every ounce of it

But I fear Donegals name is on the cup, Armagh could win the semi only to lose an Ulster derby final, which would be excruciating

funny when coming out of the ulster final i said we will play them again but come out on the right side
fully expect an armagh/donegal final with us winning .

I believe this is a very winnable match mainly due to the fact that Kerry struggle to break down a strong defensive system. We probably have the best overall defensive system in the country given the fact that individually we aren't blessed with many great individual defenders but the system more than compensates for this and for which management must be given credit. We don't concede goals and Kerry don't score very many so I think if we can keep a clean sheet we have a good chance of progressing to the final.

If we can tie down the 2 Cliffords and O'Shea then Kerrys other forwards aren't that great. So this is one occasion where I don't really care about the type of football we play as long as we progress to the final. But I do think we need to leave 1/2 forwards up the pitch at all times which we didn't do against Roscommon as we need to carry a kicking threat on the counter attack. Then if it is a close match with 10 minutes to go we can unleash Soupy, Nugent, Duffy and O'Neill from the bench to help win us the match.     

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Quote from: balladmaker on July 09, 2024, 02:18:34 PMJaysus lads, what's all this negativity and managerial change talk about 4 days out from an All Ireland Semi Final.  Let's get the positive juices flowing ... Armagh by 5 pulling up!  8)

I fully believe Armagh could win this by a few, expecting a grade A performance as they'll need every ounce of it

But I fear Donegals name is on the cup, Armagh could win the semi only to lose an Ulster derby final, which would be excruciating

funny when coming out of the ulster final i said we will play them again but come out on the right side
fully expect an armagh/donegal final with us winning .

I'm not sure what this Donegal prediction is based on. Galway were the best team Armagh have faced this year by some distance. They really should have beaten us in Sligo in the group stages but for a goalkeeping error, while I thought we should have beaten Donegal in the Ulster final.

I'd fancy Galway to beat them on Sunday simply due to the fact that they have better footballers. 

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Quote from: tiempo on July 09, 2024, 02:27:30 PM

Quote from: balladmaker on July 09, 2024, 02:18:34 PMJaysus lads, what's all this negativity and managerial change talk about 4 days out from an All Ireland Semi Final.  Let's get the positive juices flowing ... Armagh by 5 pulling up!  8)

I fully believe Armagh could win this by a few, expecting a grade A performance as they'll need every ounce of it

But I fear Donegals name is on the cup, Armagh could win the semi only to lose an Ulster derby final, which would be excruciating

funny when coming out of the ulster final i said we will play them again but come out on the right side
fully expect an armagh/donegal final with us winning .

I'm not sure what this Donegal prediction is based on. Galway were the best team Armagh have faced this year by some distance. They really should have beaten us in Sligo in the group stages but for a goalkeeping error, while I thought we should have beaten Donegal in the Ulster final.

I'd fancy Galway to beat them on Sunday simply due to the fact that they have better footballers.

Would it not be fair to say people would rate Donegal's chances of progression higher than Armagh's.

Haven't checked the odds, but Donegal and Galway would be a toss of a coin as to who wins in my view? A bit of good/bad luck will swing it either way. 

Armagh on the other hand need everything going right for them to get them passed Kerry.  Armagh are closer to Kerry's level than they have been this past 20 years, but if they under perform they will be nowhere near them.

Hoping for two good games more than anything.   

Long shot, but does anyone know if they'll be offering a resale/move ability? Son went and bought hill tickets for 2 adults 1 kid.... when I can see good seats still available.  :-X

They won't do a move ability, needed that last game myself, went to the Hill, hadn't been on it in yrs, great spot,if its dry

Kerry fans are always hard to call but there will be a massive Armagh crowd.

I know Armagh can't allow a totally open game BUT surely they won't sit back all day?

Although Kerry are not as worried about winning ugly these days...

I don't expect us to win. The only thing that will really piss me off is if we play skitterball like Derry did in the Q/F or the way we did in the league in Tralee in 2023, we have to be much braver.

Would love to see Armagh win this or at least die with their boots on. They definitely have more in their forwards than Derry so I would hope that will encourage them to push a bit more and it's the kind of game Rian O'Neill should be crying out for if he's as talented as some think he is.

Armagh definitely much better this year though this may be a step too far. Really would love to see them go at Kerry and try to put them on the back foot.

Quote from: bennydorano on July 10, 2024, 08:28:00 AMI don't expect us to win. The only thing that will really piss me off is if we play skitterball like Derry did in the Q/F or the way we did in the league in Tralee in 2023, we have to be much braver.

What will you do if Kerry play skitterball though?? They seem fairly comfortable with it now I can't imagine they'll want a midfield battle as Armagh will win that. I can see them conceding the kickout and the game turning into a muckfest!

I really can't see a shoot-out here as both teams won't risk it. Kerry will start favourites and rightly so, if Armagh can hang in there and don't let it get away from them then they have a chance. I just want Armagh to have a go (at the right time and not when you're 6pts behind). If i have to travel back home having lost by 2-3pts playing full defensive football and not taking the shackles off I'll be well pissed off. I know if you open up too much Kerry will tear you a new ass but there has to be a happy medium somewhere between defensive and attacking.

I do believe from my eye test that there is not much separating the 4 teams left for SAM, Kerry will always be fav's if Dublin are gone and that's life. The other 3 can all beat each other on any given day, I've said it for 2-3 years now but if Galway can get their strongest team out fit and firing they will be hard to stop

I think this game will play out a lot like the Derry game.
Kerry will concede kickouts as their midfield are not great, so if I was Armagh I'd def push up on Kerry kickouts and force them long where Armagh have the advantage.
Tally has them coached to play the defensive game as well as anyone, and while they have the better fowards of the 2, they get frustrated against that walled defence and make mistakes.
If Armagh can keep it as a borefest, they could sneak it. If Kerry get ahead by a few points by the last 15 Armagh will have to push up and leave the back door open a little.

I think it'll be a very physical game with plenty of off the ball antics - who is the ref? A fussy ref issuing black cards could well swing the game.

I think Kerry will win, but a 1 point victory for Armagh wouldn't be a surprise either.

Odds on penalties?  :o

Is skutterball an evolution of puke football?!

In Jacko Kerry have a man who really doesn't care about the outside noise, so he is more than happy to dig and be dour. Geezer probably will start that way, but he surely knows at some point they need to go for it.

Like if they fall into the same flow as other years then the doubts are planted before the 70 minutes are up and game over.

Armagh in a semi final with Dublin out of the way will play tight, as the chance for All ireland glory is better now, they'll have plenty behind the ball, be tight for 65 minutes with Kerry one or two points ahead, its what Armagh do in the last 5 or normal and injury time that will decide the outcome..

Kerry by 2 points
Donegal by 3 points

Quote from: tbrick18 on July 10, 2024, 12:01:21 PMI think this game will play out a lot like the Derry game.
Kerry will concede kickouts as their midfield are not great, so if I was Armagh I'd def push up on Kerry kickouts and force them long where Armagh have the advantage.
Tally has them coached to play the defensive game as well as anyone, and while they have the better fowards of the 2, they get frustrated against that walled defence and make mistakes.
If Armagh can keep it as a borefest, they could sneak it. If Kerry get ahead by a few points by the last 15 Armagh will have to push up and leave the back door open a little.

I think it'll be a very physical game with plenty of off the ball antics - who is the ref? A fussy ref issuing black cards could well swing the game.

I think Kerry will win, but a 1 point victory for Armagh wouldn't be a surprise either.

Odds on penalties?  :o

read somewhere it's Gough

I think Armagh have the ability to win but wont have the confidence/tactics to win.  Until the league final Armagh mixed up their game between a low block and pressuring in packs.  It was very effective I felt.  In the league final and against Down, Donegal, Galway and Roscommon they seemed to revert to low block exclusively and relied upon the counter attack.  I think against the bigger teams that can only take you so far.  So i expect a close game but I think Armagh will come up short.  Hope I am wrong

In all my years I've never seen a more low key All Ireland semi final in my life, very little talk or buzz around the town and I'm not aware of how many tickets have been purchased but Croke Park will probably be just over half full which is crap for atmosphere

Quote from: illdecide on July 11, 2024, 09:07:28 AMIn all my years I've never seen a more low key All Ireland semi final in my life, very little talk or buzz around the town and I'm not aware of how many tickets have been purchased but Croke Park will probably be just over half full which is crap for atmosphere

I think its a downside of the compressed season.

732 and 733 upper Hogan available.

Nothing at all on lower decks. 713-717 canal end available

Quote from: illdecide on July 11, 2024, 09:07:28 AMIn all my years I've never seen a more low key All Ireland semi final in my life, very little talk or buzz around the town and I'm not aware of how many tickets have been purchased but Croke Park will probably be just over half full which is crap for atmosphere

I'd have thought Armagh would have been chomping at the bit for tickets for this game.
I know for the last 2 years it was very difficult to get tickets for the AISFs that Derry were in given but given how long it had been since we got that far that's understandable.
I dont understand apathy in Armagh for an AISF though.
Maybe its the Kerry factor - where they dont really travel in numbers until a final.

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Quote from: illdecide on July 11, 2024, 09:07:28 AMIn all my years I've never seen a more low key All Ireland semi final in my life, very little talk or buzz around the town and I'm not aware of how many tickets have been purchased but Croke Park will probably be just over half full which is crap for atmosphere

I'd have thought Armagh would have been chomping at the bit for tickets for this game.
I know for the last 2 years it was very difficult to get tickets for the AISFs that Derry were in given but given how long it had been since we got that far that's understandable.
I dont understand apathy in Armagh for an AISF though.
Maybe its the Kerry factor - where they dont really travel in numbers until a final.

Theres not that many people in Armagh altogether. Take out the other breed of orangemen and theres only so many that can go. Anyone I know that has the slightest  interest in football is heading bar people on holidays.

Armagh supporters should outnumber the opposition by 5 to 1 in reality.

Especially for a semi-final.

It's only 1 - 2 hours down the road.  Bus, car and train networks really good also.

Kerry are approaching this game against Armagh with all the wariness of an unknown opponent but with the confidence of experiencing and winning in a variety of Croke Park scenarios over the last couple of years.

Beat a variety of opposition including all the big guns and some medium guns - Dublin, Derry (x2), Galway, Mayo, Tyrone.

Win a borefest against 15 players in defence (v Derry 24).
Win a classic (v Dublin & Galway 22)
Win easy (2-18 to 0-12 v Tyrone in 23).
Win an arm wrestle (v Dublin 22, v Derry 23).
Win from behind (v Galway 22, v Derry 23)
Win with the 2 Cliffords and O'Shea kept quiet, win with David Clifford on fire.

There is no fear factor for Kerry in Croke Park.
Kerry no longer are reliant on Clifford and O'Shea to bail them out scoring wise.
Kerry's underrated midfielders both scored v Derry and were a match against a much more vaunted pairing.
Kerry have yet to get out of 2nd gear in this year's Championship. Derry were a big step up compared to what they faced prior and Kerry stepped up.
Armagh are a bigger step up again. Have much more scoring threats, have more of a goal threat, have long range shooters but if Kerry can raise their game again and keep parity on the goals front then presuming Kerry get a bigger return than the 0-2 from play they got from the 2 Cliffords, O'Shea and O'Sullivan, Kerry should sneak home, even if it takes ET.

A lot of people are on holiday TBF, a lot of people are also struggling for cash based on the number of games recently.

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Quote from: illdecide on July 11, 2024, 09:07:28 AMIn all my years I've never seen a more low key All Ireland semi final in my life, very little talk or buzz around the town and I'm not aware of how many tickets have been purchased but Croke Park will probably be just over half full which is crap for atmosphere

I'd have thought Armagh would have been chomping at the bit for tickets for this game.
I know for the last 2 years it was very difficult to get tickets for the AISFs that Derry were in given but given how long it had been since we got that far that's understandable.
I dont understand apathy in Armagh for an AISF though.
Maybe its the Kerry factor - where they dont really travel in numbers until a final.

There is a a certain unreality about attendances. Croke park is a very large stadium, it is never difficult to get tickets for a semi final where Dublin are not involved and it wasn't difficult last year when Derry were there either. If 20% of the population of the counties go then the stadium is just over half full. In reality, all the interested people in a county cannot go, people work, at this time of year many people are abroad, even in an ultra football family granny doesn't go and perhaps she looks after young children. Twenty years ago Armagh got a lot support from places like Monaghan or Lout, people whose father was from Armagh or whatever, but Monaghan had their own semi final last year and Louth have had their own recent visit to Croke Park.
In 1982, Armagh v Kerry was watched by 17,523, I'd say we'll get 3 times that.

Quote from: tbrick18 on July 11, 2024, 10:00:09 AM

Quote from: illdecide on July 11, 2024, 09:07:28 AMIn all my years I've never seen a more low key All Ireland semi final in my life, very little talk or buzz around the town and I'm not aware of how many tickets have been purchased but Croke Park will probably be just over half full which is crap for atmosphere

I'd have thought Armagh would have been chomping at the bit for tickets for this game.
I know for the last 2 years it was very difficult to get tickets for the AISFs that Derry were in given but given how long it had been since we got that far that's understandable.
I dont understand apathy in Armagh for an AISF though.
Maybe its the Kerry factor - where they dont really travel in numbers until a final.

It was easy to get tickets for the Derry AISF, sure the top deck was half empty for  them and they were on general sale.

They predict 55k. Sure a large percentage of that will be Armagh. I would doubt there's any apathy.

Quote from: marty34 on July 11, 2024, 10:27:54 AMArmagh supporters should outnumber the opposition by 5 to 1 in reality.

Especially for a semi-final.

It's only 1 - 2 hours down the road.  Bus, car and train networks really good also.

Every Armagh person with the slightest interest in gaa that I know is going
The 60/70%of the crowd will be supporting Armagh
All lower tickets sold
Upper cusack sold and now moving to upper davin
There will be 55/60k at the game which is a fair turnout considering Kerry will struggle to bring 5k

I reckon 40K Armagh, 7K Kerry, 9K Down, 8K Laois, 3K Neutral.

Factor in that Saturday games are a pox!

Quote from: illdecide on July 11, 2024, 10:49:59 AMA lot of people are on holiday TBF, a lot of people are also struggling for cash based on the number of games recently.

A lot of people on holidays and people struggle cash!

Quote from: blanketattack on July 11, 2024, 01:10:10 PMI reckon 40K Armagh, 7K Kerry, 9K Down, 8K Laois, 3K Neutral.

It will be like a home fixture for Armagh if this is the split and that is bound to be worth something. 

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Quote from: blanketattack on July 11, 2024, 01:10:10 PMI reckon 40K Armagh, 7K Kerry, 9K Down, 8K Laois, 3K Neutral.

It will be like a home fixture for Armagh if this is the split and that is bound to be worth something. 

I'm not sure that it will be quite unbalanced, but even neutrals are unlikely to give strong support to Kerry.

Quote from: blanketattack on July 11, 2024, 01:10:10 PMI reckon 40K Armagh, 7K Kerry, 9K Down, 8K Laois, 3K Neutral.

If that is the breakdown, at least Kerry will have 16k supporters in Croker anyway.  I have vivid memories over the years of Down flags waving in support of an Armagh team's opponent scoring.

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Quote from: blanketattack on July 11, 2024, 01:10:10 PMI reckon 40K Armagh, 7K Kerry, 9K Down, 8K Laois, 3K Neutral.

If that is the breakdown, at least Kerry will have 16k supporters in Croker anyway.  I have vivid memories over the years of Down flags waving in support of an Armagh team's opponent scoring.

Down would be the one Ulster team that don't hate Kerry anyway, helps when you've a 5-0 record against them

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Quote from: balladmaker on July 11, 2024, 03:08:37 PM

Quote from: blanketattack on July 11, 2024, 01:10:10 PMI reckon 40K Armagh, 7K Kerry, 9K Down, 8K Laois, 3K Neutral.

If that is the breakdown, at least Kerry will have 16k supporters in Croker anyway.  I have vivid memories over the years of Down flags waving in support of an Armagh team's opponent scoring.

Down would be the one Ulster team that don't hate Kerry anyway, helps when you've a 5-0 record against them

Tbf our northern neighbours will mostly be supporting us .
Might not be if we get to the final but that's another day

Yeah I reckon both Armagh and Donegal will get the support of the rest of the Ulster counties for the remainder of the championship.
Especially if it was to be at the expense of Kerry.

Have myself convinced it will be a dour match and national media will blame Armagh for it while ignoring the fact Kerry are probably the most risk averse team of the remaining four.  Semi finals are for winning and if Armagh can win an ugly duck race then great.

Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 11, 2024, 04:27:09 PMHave myself convinced it will be a dour match and national media will blame Armagh for it while ignoring the fact Kerry are probably the most risk averse team of the remaining four.  Semi finals are for winning and if Armagh can win an ugly duck race then great.

Bingo
watch Kerry's cynical fouling between the 50 yard lines.

Genuinely think Armagh have a decent chance of beating Kerry. O'Connor must have been spooked by Derry to set them up like that, if it's the same against Armagh then they could be in trouble because Armagh offer a huge amount more.

Quote from: greatpoint on July 11, 2024, 05:20:31 PMGenuinely think Armagh have a decent chance of beating Kerry. O'Connor must have been spooked by Derry to set them up like that, if it's the same against Armagh then they could be in trouble because Armagh offer a huge amount more.

Kerry set up in similar way in the Div 1 encounter between the two last year. Kerry two points in added time allowed them to win 0-12 to 0-11.

Jack O'connor has the medals to back up whatever he does and he is a man who would never be swayed.
If it gets dour so be it.

I think Armagh, mentally, can't go too stand-offish and get it slip away.

In my mind they need to go for it.

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Quote from: greatpoint on July 11, 2024, 05:20:31 PMGenuinely think Armagh have a decent chance of beating Kerry. O'Connor must have been spooked by Derry to set them up like that, if it's the same against Armagh then they could be in trouble because Armagh offer a huge amount more.

Kerry set up in similar way in the Div 1 encounter between the two last year. Kerry two points in added time allowed them to win 0-12 to 0-11.

You'd imagine Armagh would be delighted to find themselves a point ahead going into injury time on Saturday.

I think this article gives a very strong insight into the way Jack O'Connor is thinking.

QuoteJACK O'Connor and Kerry were never going to move unimpeded onto an All-Ireland SFC final four without poking through the entrails of that damned Derry quarter-final. With Gaelic football in the dock, O'Connor's good manners in meeting media on Monday presented the forum for further discussion on the state of the game.

When we left him in the media room in the bowels of Croke Park over a week ago, he said folk were living on the outer realms of sanity if they thought success went hand-in-hand with a pick-up sort of game, free-wheeling and fancy. Having watched their 0-15 to 0-10 victory back, he wasn't minded to change in that respect, but conceded Kerry weren't exactly at full throttle themselves.

Though, he explained, there might be historical reasons for such conservatism.

"I am well aware it was a very unattractive game, he reasoned. "Could we be better against that kind of set up? Absolutely. But remember, Kerry have got burned in the past against teams that set up like that.

"That set up is completely designed for you to give away the ball and the opposition to hit you on the counter attack. It's not a huge surprise that our players were a bit conservative, maybe a bit too careful at times with the ball. And maybe that aggravated people."

He added: "Remember it's only 2021 that Kerry came up against a similar set up against Tyrone in an All-Ireland semi-final, and had 33 turnovers and conceded three goals in that game. When you've been burned like that in the past ,it does possibly leave a bit of scar tissue.

"I am not saying we are tactical geniuses (now). Go back again to that game in 2021, before this management took over, you can't keep giving the ball back to the opposition like that and not expect to get punished for it.

"That (episode) informed a lot of our coaching in the couple of years since. The game has changed. Sure we would love to kick the ball first time into David Clifford, we'd love to kick in a few high ones. It's not living in the real world to expect us to be bombing the ball in like 2004 when we had Johnny Crowley, Dara O Cinnéide and Kieran Donaghy. A lot of the times they were one on one in there."

The sense that something not dissimilar awaits Kerry in Saturday's semi-final is Armagh does not demand a stretch of imagination, but O'Connor wasn't about to start advising the opposition how to milk their cows.

"I am not going to criticise any teams for setting up like that, they are not breaking the rules, as they stand. People are dissatisfied with the game, and we are not overly happy with the way it is either, but we have to play what is in front of us. Teams set up in the best way to give them their best chance of winning. I presume they will be solid defensively and play on the counter attack, but who knows, they might a more attack minded game. We have to be prepared to play it both ways.

"My sense is that Kerry supporters and observers in general believe that Kerry, or any team, can come out of the blocks and play barnstorming football, and blow oppositions away. That's absolutely not the real world, the way that teams are setting up at the moment."

Both before he took over in 2000, and when O'Connor was in the final year of his first term in 2006, Kerry and Armagh played a pair of ding-ding Croke Park battles, with the score 1-1.

"In that quarter final in 2006, we played Armagh in one of the most enjoyable games I have ever been involved in. That time you could walk around the back of the goals, which I did, because our backs were under ferocious pressure. The way Armagh were playing, with Steven McDonnell and Ronan Clarke inside, and Oisin McConville playing off them was fantastic football to watch and very effective. But you try to do that now, and more often than not the backs are going to be coming out with it purely on the basis of numbers.

"We'd love to go back to that era, that was an absolutely epic game, one of the games (outside of All-Irelands) that stands out in my head. But football has changed dramatically in the meantime and we had to change with it."

So the Derry affair is washed out of their hair at this stage? "Again, could we have been more energetic, and more adventurous, even with those constraints on the day? Of course, we could. But you can't blame the players, who had got burned against that sort of system in the past, for having to feel their way into the game. In the second half we got the mix and the balance a bit better.

"It was a very structured game, and we were thinking on the sideline that it was going to take some fella coming in here and doing something different. That's what Cillian Burke did, he hit straight lines and punched holes, the sort of stuff he's very good at. He was exactly the right man at the right time to break that system and structure that Derry had. That gave our fellas the lead and confidence to drive on and go for it."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41432407.html

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I'm both looking forward to this game...and not looking forward to it..

It's an All Ireland semi final, a new pairing in recent times, a throwback to the fantastic semis in 2000...but the prospect of it being similar to either of the quarter finals involving Armagh and Kerry means it could likely be a very tough watch.

There's definitely a possibility of a game breaking out and both teams have good players, pace, serious forwards and good players on the bench...unfortunately I think there's a conservative Kerry management and an Armagh management that have veered in the last few seasons between some great varied attacking football and dour counterattacking setup. It's a bit depressing in a way, so I hope it's better than what we say in quarter finals. Both teams COULD win by going at it, so we'll see.

I'm suprised Cillian Burke isn't starting. I thought he impressed enough coming off the bench v Derry to secure a wing forward slot.

That interviews again just shows O'Connor doesn't care how he wins, BUT as I said he has the Celtic Crosses to back him up.

Geezer's team are nearly men in recent years and they do seem to be always the ones on the wrong side of these nail-biters. I think they have to be in front earlier and will need to go for it.

No matter who you are if there is a feeling of it happening again they won't do it coming to the end. There HAS to be mental scars from the last few years there.

I am saying all this from wishful thinking as I am heading to the game and I'd love a ding-dong battle!

Quote from: ardtole on July 12, 2024, 09:22:15 AMI'm suprised Cillian Burke isn't starting. I thought he impressed enough coming off the bench v Derry to secure a wing forward slot.

Dara Moynihan would have to be nearly dead before O'Connor would drop him..he's one of his favourites. Burke is a far superior player in every single facet of football of course and should be ahead of him. But there's 4/5 fellas that aren't even on Kerry panel that are better players than him. This is the problem some people in Kerry have with him at the moment.

Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 12, 2024, 09:43:46 AMThat interviews again just shows O'Connor doesn't care how he wins, BUT as I said he has the Celtic Crosses to back him up.

Geezer's team are nearly men in recent years and they do seem to be always the ones on the wrong side of these nail-biters. I think they have to be in front earlier and will need to go for it.

No matter who you are if there is a feeling of it happening again they won't do it coming to the end. There HAS to be mental scars from the last few years there.

I am saying all this from wishful thinking as I am heading to the game and I'd love a ding-dong battle!

In his previous tenure as Kerry manager he very much cared about how he won. Him embracing defensive football is a new departure.

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Quote from: ardtole on July 12, 2024, 09:22:15 AMI'm suprised Cillian Burke isn't starting. I thought he impressed enough coming off the bench v Derry to secure a wing forward slot.

Dara Moynihan would have to be nearly dead before O'Connor would drop him..he's one of his favourites. Burke is a far superior player in every single facet of football of course and should be ahead of him. But there's 4/5 fellas that aren't even on Kerry panel that are better players than him. This is the problem some people in Kerry have with him at the moment.

Dara Moynihan has specific jobs for Kerry, one of which is retaining position and he has become very dependable in that role.
Cillian Burke is more direct, more reward but also more risk of turnover.
Dara Moynihan is having one of his best seasons so would be hard to drop.
If Kerry are in trouble with long kickouts Burke might come on to help in that department.

Armagh 3/1 tomorrow. Surely value in that.

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Quote from: ardtole on July 12, 2024, 09:22:15 AMI'm suprised Cillian Burke isn't starting. I thought he impressed enough coming off the bench v Derry to secure a wing forward slot.

Dara Moynihan would have to be nearly dead before O'Connor would drop him..he's one of his favourites. Burke is a far superior player in every single facet of football of course and should be ahead of him. But there's 4/5 fellas that aren't even on Kerry panel that are better players than him. This is the problem some people in Kerry have with him at the moment.

Dara Moynihan has specific jobs for Kerry, one of which is retaining position and he has become very dependable in that role.
Cillian Burke is more direct, more reward but also more risk of turnover.
Dara Moynihan is having one of his best seasons so would be hard to drop.
If Kerry are in trouble with long kickouts Burke might come on to help in that department.

I disagree massively on Moynihan anyway, he excels in no aspect of the game as far as I'm concerned. He's useless on breaking ball, is very little threat going forward and poor in the tackle. I don't see it with him and I'm not alone there. If I was an opposition I woudn't worry about him too much.

Jack never takes him off until very late in game usually and with others he will whip them at half time if things aren't going well. It's annoying but not much we can do except hope Burke, Killian Spillane etc can make an impact and get on early enough (like Derry game in fairness) to do so.

Quote from: grounded on July 12, 2024, 02:22:44 PMArmagh 3/1 tomorrow. Surely value in that.

Would definitely call that value

Quote from: grounded on July 12, 2024, 02:22:44 PMArmagh 3/1 tomorrow. Surely value in that.

Not if Kerry win ;)

Quote from: twohands!!! on July 11, 2024, 07:43:37 PMI think this article gives a very strong insight into the way Jack O'Connor is thinking.

QuoteJACK O'Connor and Kerry were never going to move unimpeded onto an All-Ireland SFC final four without poking through the entrails of that damned Derry quarter-final. With Gaelic football in the dock, O'Connor's good manners in meeting media on Monday presented the forum for further discussion on the state of the game.

When we left him in the media room in the bowels of Croke Park over a week ago, he said folk were living on the outer realms of sanity if they thought success went hand-in-hand with a pick-up sort of game, free-wheeling and fancy. Having watched their 0-15 to 0-10 victory back, he wasn't minded to change in that respect, but conceded Kerry weren't exactly at full throttle themselves.

Though, he explained, there might be historical reasons for such conservatism.

"I am well aware it was a very unattractive game, he reasoned. "Could we be better against that kind of set up? Absolutely. But remember, Kerry have got burned in the past against teams that set up like that.

"That set up is completely designed for you to give away the ball and the opposition to hit you on the counter attack. It's not a huge surprise that our players were a bit conservative, maybe a bit too careful at times with the ball. And maybe that aggravated people."

He added: "Remember it's only 2021 that Kerry came up against a similar set up against Tyrone in an All-Ireland semi-final, and had 33 turnovers and conceded three goals in that game. When you've been burned like that in the past ,it does possibly leave a bit of scar tissue.

"I am not saying we are tactical geniuses (now). Go back again to that game in 2021, before this management took over, you can't keep giving the ball back to the opposition like that and not expect to get punished for it.

"That (episode) informed a lot of our coaching in the couple of years since. The game has changed. Sure we would love to kick the ball first time into David Clifford, we'd love to kick in a few high ones. It's not living in the real world to expect us to be bombing the ball in like 2004 when we had Johnny Crowley, Dara O Cinnéide and Kieran Donaghy. A lot of the times they were one on one in there."

The sense that something not dissimilar awaits Kerry in Saturday's semi-final is Armagh does not demand a stretch of imagination, but O'Connor wasn't about to start advising the opposition how to milk their cows.

"I am not going to criticise any teams for setting up like that, they are not breaking the rules, as they stand. People are dissatisfied with the game, and we are not overly happy with the way it is either, but we have to play what is in front of us. Teams set up in the best way to give them their best chance of winning. I presume they will be solid defensively and play on the counter attack, but who knows, they might a more attack minded game. We have to be prepared to play it both ways.

"My sense is that Kerry supporters and observers in general believe that Kerry, or any team, can come out of the blocks and play barnstorming football, and blow oppositions away. That's absolutely not the real world, the way that teams are setting up at the moment."

Both before he took over in 2000, and when O'Connor was in the final year of his first term in 2006, Kerry and Armagh played a pair of ding-ding Croke Park battles, with the score 1-1.

"In that quarter final in 2006, we played Armagh in one of the most enjoyable games I have ever been involved in. That time you could walk around the back of the goals, which I did, because our backs were under ferocious pressure. The way Armagh were playing, with Steven McDonnell and Ronan Clarke inside, and Oisin McConville playing off them was fantastic football to watch and very effective. But you try to do that now, and more often than not the backs are going to be coming out with it purely on the basis of numbers.

"We'd love to go back to that era, that was an absolutely epic game, one of the games (outside of All-Irelands) that stands out in my head. But football has changed dramatically in the meantime and we had to change with it."

So the Derry affair is washed out of their hair at this stage? "Again, could we have been more energetic, and more adventurous, even with those constraints on the day? Of course, we could. But you can't blame the players, who had got burned against that sort of system in the past, for having to feel their way into the game. In the second half we got the mix and the balance a bit better.

"It was a very structured game, and we were thinking on the sideline that it was going to take some fella coming in here and doing something different. That's what Cillian Burke did, he hit straight lines and punched holes, the sort of stuff he's very good at. He was exactly the right man at the right time to break that system and structure that Derry had. That gave our fellas the lead and confidence to drive on and go for it."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41432407.html

The bit highlighted is absolute BS. Kerry walked through Tyrone first half. Off the top of my head they left about 2-6 behind them, at least one open goal, there might have been another. Tyrone smelled blood, grew into game and then seized the whole momentum. Kerry panicked and started making bad decisions.
 O'Connor is entitled to set up whatever way he wants but be a man and say it and not try blame other teams for "dishonorable tactics". If 2021 was the reason it's because his forwards cannot be trusted to run up a scoreboard when completely on top.

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Quote from: twohands!!! on July 11, 2024, 07:43:37 PMI think this article gives a very strong insight into the way Jack O'Connor is thinking.

QuoteJACK O'Connor *Snip* ."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41432407.html

The bit highlighted is absolute BS. Kerry walked through Tyrone first half. Off the top of my head they left about 2-6 behind them, at least one open goal, there might have been another. Tyrone smelled blood, grew into game and then seized the whole momentum. Kerry panicked and started making bad decisions.
 O'Connor is entitled to set up whatever way he wants but be a man and say it and not try blame other teams for "dishonorable tactics". If 2021 was the reason it's because his forwards cannot be trusted to run up a scoreboard when completely on top.

Doesn't stop the fact that Kerry were very naive in that game.
Players running into traps of 3 or 4 Tyrone players, then Tyrone countering at speed opening Kerry up at will.
Kerry only stayed in that game because of David Clifford. Scored 0-8 and set up another 5 or 6.

Contrast that with Kerry v Tyrone last year. Clifford only scores 0-1 from play yet Kerry win 2-18 to 0-12 with the team set up to be very tight in defence and forwards more cautious.

Jack O'Connor is no fool and knows Kerry without their protective defensive shield are poor in defence and will leak big scores without it. That's why Tyrone got in for three goals in 2021 and even during the league this year it was seen when Kerry played Dublin and conceded 3-18.

Kerry really haven't got over losing to Tyrone in 2021 have they.

Quote from: RedHand88 on July 12, 2024, 06:07:52 PMKerry really haven't got over losing to Tyrone in 2021 have they.

I'd say winning the All Ireland in 2022 has helped a lot with that to be fair!

Have to thank Tyrone really in the long run. Like 2003 a defeat that helped us get rid of a dead duck management.

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Quote from: RedHand88 on July 12, 2024, 06:07:52 PMKerry really haven't got over losing to Tyrone in 2021 have they.

I'd say winning the All Ireland in 2022 has helped a lot with that to be fair!

Have to thank Tyrone really in the long run. Like 2003 a defeat that helped us get rid of a dead duck management.

And beating them in the Championship by 12 points since then!

I don't believe Kerry have really got over 2002, 2003 and 2005. Yes they've won numerous all Irelands since but I think them 3 years are dug into the Kerry physie. Remember the OTT reaction to beating a poor Tyrone team in a qualifier in Killarney a few years ago.

I see Kieran Hughes from Monaghan had said the Armagh players will take a 2 point loss. Sums up monaghans attitude really

ticketmaster are some shower of *****.... less than 12hrs before game, open up middle of upper hogan, excellent seats.

but cameras of hogan & canal will be packed.

crooks

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Quote from: twohands!!! on July 11, 2024, 07:43:37 PMI think this article gives a very strong insight into the way Jack O'Connor is thinking.

QuoteJACK O'Connor *Snip* ."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41432407.html

The bit highlighted is absolute BS. Kerry walked through Tyrone first half. Off the top of my head they left about 2-6 behind them, at least one open goal, there might have been another. Tyrone smelled blood, grew into game and then seized the whole momentum. Kerry panicked and started making bad decisions.
 O'Connor is entitled to set up whatever way he wants but be a man and say it and not try blame other teams for "dishonorable tactics". If 2021 was the reason it's because his forwards cannot be trusted to run up a scoreboard when completely on top.

Doesn't stop the fact that Kerry were very naive in that game.
Players running into traps of 3 or 4 Tyrone players, then Tyrone countering at speed opening Kerry up at will.
Kerry only stayed in that game because of David Clifford. Scored 0-8 and set up another 5 or 6.

Contrast that with Kerry v Tyrone last year. Clifford only scores 0-1 from play yet Kerry win 2-18 to 0-12 with the team set up to be very tight in defence and forwards more cautious.

Kerry ran into traps from bad decisions. Those decisions came from panic, because they had an opponent breathing down their neck and gaining in confidence, an opponent who should have been long beaten out the gate but for wastefulness up front.
You're never going to control a game for 70 mins, that's life. We can interpret facts differently. Sure they conceded 3 goals. One was from a terrific 40 yard ball in, hit the only square foot in the field that was a danger to defense. Then brilliant awareness from the forward to flick a wonderful finish. Another goal was from a shite ball in going out for a wide. Back had a brain fart and hooked it back out to an unmarked forward. Can't remember the 3rd but a lot of the loss had to do with their own individual decisions and good play from opponent.

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Quote from: pbat on July 12, 2024, 06:56:03 PMI don't believe Kerry have really got over 2002, 2003 and 2005. Yes they've won numerous all Irelands since but I think them 3 years are dug into the Kerry physie. Remember the OTT reaction to beating a poor Tyrone team in a qualifier in Killarney a few years ago.

That drove a bug so far up their asses the level of begrudgery. Then the defeat in 2021: when Kerry beat Tyrone last year Tomás and Marc O'Shea both referred back to it with snide comments about long-Covid. #bitter

I think it harks  back to  Kerry's success, in the 50's and later in the 70's and 80's. Kerry  were always in the latter stages of  the All Ireland  (mostly due to the provincial setup) and they  really aren't used to losing that much

Paidi was right about his  animals line , Kerry folk demand all Irelands annually. But maybe they  don't know how to lose graciously as they've not had enough  practice  , unlike the  vast majority of counties

Quote from: tonto1888 on July 12, 2024, 07:01:33 PMI see Kieran Hughes from Monaghan had said the Armagh players will take a 2 point loss. Sums up monaghans attitude really

It's as bad a bit of analysis as I've ever heard. No wonder Monaghan didn't win any AI semi finals if that is in Kieran Hughes' thinking.

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Quote from: tonto1888 on July 12, 2024, 07:01:33 PMI see Kieran Hughes from Monaghan had said the Armagh players will take a 2 point loss. Sums up monaghans attitude really

It's as bad a bit of analysis as I've ever heard. No wonder Monaghan didn't win any AI semi finals if that is in Kieran Hughes' thinking.

I'm sure he doesn't mean 'take' as in accept it/ be satisfied with it... probably means will take as be on the receiving end if it... ?

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Quote from: tonto1888 on July 12, 2024, 07:01:33 PMI see Kieran Hughes from Monaghan had said the Armagh players will take a 2 point loss. Sums up monaghans attitude really

It's as bad a bit of analysis as I've ever heard. No wonder Monaghan didn't win any AI semi finals if that is in Kieran Hughes' thinking.

I'm sure he doesn't mean 'take' as in accept it/ be satisfied with it... probably means will take as be on the receiving end if it... ?

His exact words 'if you told an Armagh player they'd lose by 2 points at the weekend they'll take that with both hands I can assure you of that'. Even the presenter was shocked and Hughes doubled down on it. Just a very strange bit of analysis.

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Quote from: tonto1888 on July 12, 2024, 07:01:33 PMI see Kieran Hughes from Monaghan had said the Armagh players will take a 2 point loss. Sums up monaghans attitude really

It's as bad a bit of analysis as I've ever heard. No wonder Monaghan didn't win any AI semi finals if that is in Kieran Hughes' thinking.

I'm sure he doesn't mean 'take' as in accept it/ be satisfied with it... probably means will take as be on the receiving end if it... ?

If they were a young team with 7 or 8 U21s from last couple of years, sure there is an argument there. But for this particular group, I think this is their defining moment. Can't see too many more bites at the cherry.

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Quote from: tonto1888 on July 12, 2024, 07:01:33 PMI see Kieran Hughes from Monaghan had said the Armagh players will take a 2 point loss. Sums up monaghans attitude really

It's as bad a bit of analysis as I've ever heard. No wonder Monaghan didn't win any AI semi finals if that is in Kieran Hughes' thinking.

I'm sure he doesn't mean 'take' as in accept it/ be satisfied with it... probably means will take as be on the receiving end if it... ?

If they were a young team with 7 or 8 U21s from last couple of years, sure there is an argument there. But for this particular group, I think this is their defining moment. Can't see too many more bites at the cherry.

I heading to the game and am expecting Armagh to have right go at winning the match. I agree with above and I won't surprised if they do it.

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Quote from: tonto1888 on July 12, 2024, 07:01:33 PMI see Kieran Hughes from Monaghan had said the Armagh players will take a 2 point loss. Sums up monaghans attitude really

It's as bad a bit of analysis as I've ever heard. No wonder Monaghan didn't win any AI semi finals if that is in Kieran Hughes' thinking.

I'm sure he doesn't mean 'take' as in accept it/ be satisfied with it... probably means will take as be on the receiving end if it... ?

If they were a young team with 7 or 8 U21s from last couple of years, sure there is an argument there. But for this particular group, I think this is their defining moment. Can't see too many more bites at the cherry.

I actually think this team is only getting going. Bar Forker and Gurgan none of our main men look like slowing up. Yes Soupy and Murnin are that bit older but theres plenty left in both, imo if they want to stick at it. Outside of that theres at least a few years left in everyone and if we can get 2 or 3 like McGrane, McMullen and Conaty every year we'll be ok.

2 O'Neills only hitting their peak years now as well as Duffy, McQuillan, JOB etc.

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Quote from: tonto1888 on July 12, 2024, 07:01:33 PMI see Kieran Hughes from Monaghan had said the Armagh players will take a 2 point loss. Sums up monaghans attitude really

It's as bad a bit of analysis as I've ever heard. No wonder Monaghan didn't win any AI semi finals if that is in Kieran Hughes' thinking.

I'm sure he doesn't mean 'take' as in accept it/ be satisfied with it... probably means will take as be on the receiving end if it... ?

If they were a young team with 7 or 8 U21s from last couple of years, sure there is an argument there. But for this particular group, I think this is their defining moment. Can't see too many more bites at the cherry.

I actually think this team is only getting going. Bar Forker and Gurgan none of our main men look like slowing up. Yes Soupy and Murnin are that bit older but theres plenty left in both, imo if they want to stick at it. Outside of that theres at least a few years left in everyone and if we can get 2 or 3 like McGrane, McMullen and Conaty every year we'll be ok.

2 O'Neills only hitting their peak years now as well as Duffy, McQuillan, JOB etc.

Fair enough, I'm not clued up on Armagh football but from an outside perspective, they have been building for a long time, have milage clocked up and have had plenty of heartache and hard luck near misses. If that trend isn't bucked this year, it will be harder to go back to the well. That's just my take.

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Quote from: tonto1888 on July 12, 2024, 07:01:33 PMI see Kieran Hughes from Monaghan had said the Armagh players will take a 2 point loss. Sums up monaghans attitude really

It's as bad a bit of analysis as I've ever heard. No wonder Monaghan didn't win any AI semi finals if that is in Kieran Hughes' thinking.

I'm sure he doesn't mean 'take' as in accept it/ be satisfied with it... probably means will take as be on the receiving end if it... ?

If they were a young team with 7 or 8 U21s from last couple of years, sure there is an argument there. But for this particular group, I think this is their defining moment. Can't see too many more bites at the cherry.

I actually think this team is only getting going. Bar Forker and Gurgan none of our main men look like slowing up. Yes Soupy and Murnin are that bit older but theres plenty left in both, imo if they want to stick at it. Outside of that theres at least a few years left in everyone and if we can get 2 or 3 like McGrane, McMullen and Conaty every year we'll be ok.

2 O'Neills only hitting their peak years now as well as Duffy, McQuillan, JOB etc.

Fair enough, I'm not clued up on Armagh football but from an outside perspective, they have been building for a long time, have milage clocked up and have had plenty of heartache and hard luck near misses. If that trend isn't bucked this year, it will be harder to go back to the well. That's just my take.

Yeah fair enough. I'm seriously impressed with how they've regrouped after 4 heartbreaking penalty defeats in such big games.

 Sitting nicely in the long grass though with very few outside the county giving us a prayer.

My only concern is Armagh's experienced players now are starting to show their age and are not finishing games or their usual 7 or 8/10 performances are now a 6/10. So far KMcG has managed this well and are replaced with younger men who do the job, they still have a job to do and I hope they get their just rewards for their effort and hard yards they've put in over the last decade.
My heart is telling me we can win this by 2pts but my head is telling me to wise up and calm down. go and enjoy the day and see what it brings. Whatever happens I hope the best team on the day wins and we're not shafted by a referee decision or that we didn't go for it when we had the chance. I would love Kerry to get someone black carded with 10 mins to go and KMcG to push up and really go for it instead of keeping an extra man back in defence. We all know that won't happen...lol

Armagh have a golden chance to go for broke and make it to an All Ireland Final!  For a county that is lucky to make it to an All Ireland Final once every quarter of a century or so, I just hope they give Kerry a good rattle tomorrow, play with serious intensity and energy, and leave all on the pitch.  If they come up short, I'll congratulate Kerry and come back up the road with the feeling the best team won, and we'll hopefully re-group and come back again.  If they start defending a 1 point lead with 10 or 15 mins to go, and lose by a point or two, that would be a sickener.  If they go into their shell and play within themselves on what is their biggest day to date, that would be inexcusable.  So here's to more like Celtic Park v Derry. KMcG has assembled Armagh's strongest team since the All Ireland winning team, he arguably  has the strongest panel in the country at his disposal, Saturday is a defining moment for the McGeeney era.  Come on Armagh, give it a rattle!

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Quote from: tonto1888 on July 12, 2024, 07:01:33 PMI see Kieran Hughes from Monaghan had said the Armagh players will take a 2 point loss. Sums up monaghans attitude really

It's as bad a bit of analysis as I've ever heard. No wonder Monaghan didn't win any AI semi finals if that is in Kieran Hughes' thinking.

I'm sure he doesn't mean 'take' as in accept it/ be satisfied with it... probably means will take as be on the receiving end if it... ?

His exact words 'if you told an Armagh player they'd lose by 2 points at the weekend they'll take that with both hands I can assure you of that'. Even the presenter was shocked and Hughes doubled down on it. Just a very strange bit of analysis.

Ok. Thats terrible.

We are winning this
Armagh by 3

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Quote from: tonto1888 on July 12, 2024, 07:01:33 PMI see Kieran Hughes from Monaghan had said the Armagh players will take a 2 point loss. Sums up monaghans attitude really

It's as bad a bit of analysis as I've ever heard. No wonder Monaghan didn't win any AI semi finals if that is in Kieran Hughes' thinking.

I'm sure he doesn't mean 'take' as in accept it/ be satisfied with it... probably means will take as be on the receiving end if it... ?

His exact words 'if you told an Armagh player they'd lose by 2 points at the weekend they'll take that with both hands I can assure you of that'. Even the presenter was shocked and Hughes doubled down on it. Just a very strange bit of analysis.

Ok. Thats terrible.

Yeah as I say it's strange.

Kerry by a fair bit.

Quote from: illdecide on July 12, 2024, 09:04:32 PMMy only concern is Armagh's experienced players now are starting to show their age and are not finishing games or their usual 7 or 8/10 performances are now a 6/10. So far KMcG has managed this well and are replaced with younger men who do the job, they still have a job to do and I hope they get their just rewards for their effort and hard yards they've put in over the last decade.
My heart is telling me we can win this by 2pts but my head is telling me to wise up and calm down. go and enjoy the day and see what it brings. Whatever happens I hope the best team on the day wins and we're not shafted by a referee decision or that we didn't go for it when we had the chance. I would love Kerry to get someone black carded with 10 mins to go and KMcG to push up and really go for it instead of keeping an extra man back in defence. We all know that won't happen...lol

I definitely think Aidan Forker was slowed up this season a yard, has been a wonderful servant but not sure there's a full 70 in him tomorrow.He certainly won't be found wanting in guts, determination and effort but maybe isn't getting the jobs he was a year or two ago.

Quote from: balladmaker on July 12, 2024, 10:14:06 PMArmagh have a golden chance to go for broke and make it to an All Ireland Final!  For a county that is lucky to make it to an All Ireland Final once every quarter of a century or so, I just hope they give Kerry a good rattle tomorrow, play with serious intensity and energy, and leave all on the pitch.  If they come up short, I'll congratulate Kerry and come back up the road with the feeling the best team won, and we'll hopefully re-group and come back again.  If they start defending a 1 point lead with 10 or 15 mins to go, and lose by a point or two, that would be a sickener.  If they go into their shell and play within themselves on what is their biggest day to date, that would be inexcusable.  So here's to more like Celtic Park v Derry. KMcG has assembled Armagh's strongest team since the All Ireland winning team, he arguably  has the strongest panel in the country at his disposal, Saturday is a defining moment for the McGeeney era.  Come on Armagh, give it a rattle!

Listening to niblock talking other week he said general consensus seemed to be around Derry that the defeat this year hurt more than last year even though they probably should have won game last year as they played within themselves.Which I can understand as was the general feeling towards the Armagh team after the Monaghan and derry losses particular last year.Armagh have a very strong platform around the middle with Crealey, Grimley, O'Neill and Murnin and should be trying to send Kerry out long when can and get the crowd involved as often as they can.

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Quote from: tonto1888 on July 12, 2024, 07:01:33 PMI see Kieran Hughes from Monaghan had said the Armagh players will take a 2 point loss. Sums up monaghans attitude really

It's as bad a bit of analysis as I've ever heard. No wonder Monaghan didn't win any AI semi finals if that is in Kieran Hughes' thinking.

I'm sure he doesn't mean 'take' as in accept it/ be satisfied with it... probably means will take as be on the receiving end if it... ?

If they were a young team with 7 or 8 U21s from last couple of years, sure there is an argument there. But for this particular group, I think this is their defining moment. Can't see too many more bites at the cherry.

I actually think this team is only getting going. Bar Forker and Gurgan none of our main men look like slowing up. Yes Soupy and Murnin are that bit older but theres plenty left in both, imo if they want to stick at it. Outside of that theres at least a few years left in everyone and if we can get 2 or 3 like McGrane, McMullen and Conaty every year we'll be ok.

2 O'Neills only hitting their peak years now as well as Duffy, McQuillan, JOB etc.

Murnin and Grugan are the same age. Soupy and forker both younger

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Quote from: tonto1888 on July 12, 2024, 07:01:33 PMI see Kieran Hughes from Monaghan had said the Armagh players will take a 2 point loss. Sums up monaghans attitude really

It's as bad a bit of analysis as I've ever heard. No wonder Monaghan didn't win any AI semi finals if that is in Kieran Hughes' thinking.

I'm sure he doesn't mean 'take' as in accept it/ be satisfied with it... probably means will take as be on the receiving end if it... ?

If they were a young team with 7 or 8 U21s from last couple of years, sure there is an argument there. But for this particular group, I think this is their defining moment. Can't see too many more bites at the cherry.

I actually think this team is only getting going. Bar Forker and Gurgan none of our main men look like slowing up. Yes Soupy and Murnin are that bit older but theres plenty left in both, imo if they want to stick at it. Outside of that theres at least a few years left in everyone and if we can get 2 or 3 like McGrane, McMullen and Conaty every year we'll be ok.

2 O'Neills only hitting their peak years now as well as Duffy, McQuillan, JOB etc.

Murnin and Grugan are the same age. Soupy and forker both younger

Performance wise I think Forker and Grugan are showing their age more than the others. Murnin missed an awful lot of football through injury a few years ago as well.

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Quote from: tonto1888 on July 12, 2024, 07:01:33 PMI see Kieran Hughes from Monaghan had said the Armagh players will take a 2 point loss. Sums up monaghans attitude really

It's as bad a bit of analysis as I've ever heard. No wonder Monaghan didn't win any AI semi finals if that is in Kieran Hughes' thinking.

I'm sure he doesn't mean 'take' as in accept it/ be satisfied with it... probably means will take as be on the receiving end if it... ?

If they were a young team with 7 or 8 U21s from last couple of years, sure there is an argument there. But for this particular group, I think this is their defining moment. Can't see too many more bites at the cherry.

I actually think this team is only getting going. Bar Forker and Gurgan none of our main men look like slowing up. Yes Soupy and Murnin are that bit older but theres plenty left in both, imo if they want to stick at it. Outside of that theres at least a few years left in everyone and if we can get 2 or 3 like McGrane, McMullen and Conaty every year we'll be ok.

2 O'Neills only hitting their peak years now as well as Duffy, McQuillan, JOB etc.

Murnin and Grugan are the same age. Soupy and forker both younger

Soupy is same age as Murnin and Grugan.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 12, 2024, 11:21:25 PMKerry by a fair bit.

There are reasons to feel that should be the case at least. I know some Armagh fans have a go at McGeeney and I get that in the context of some suspect game management at key times in big matches - which is obviously hugely frustrating - but overall he has done a fantastic job with what is in the main a collection of solid players rather than great ones. Reaching this semi is another fine effort. But this is a team which hasn't been able to win a provisional title, despite their opposition in the last two finals being a Derry side thrown into disarray with the loss of their manager then a Donegal team which is very much a work in progress just a few months into McGuinness project part two. They haven't had a genuine big Championship win. They haven't thus far been able to consolidate in Division 1. It's a big leap of faith to think they are genuine All Ireland contenders, even in this rather strange summer.

What would give me a bit of confidence if I was an Armagh fan was Kerry's bizarre performance against Derry, sitting back and playing so carefully against a team that was done, and only pushing on in the closing stages (and even then cautiously). Post match comments confirmed these were the tactics. They gave Derry an opportunity to win that match. Derry of this summer weren't going to be able to grasp that chance. Derry in a better place probably would have. Big questions over their approach and Armagh right now are certainly better equipped than Derry to take advantage.

So basically if Kerry play as they can they'll win. Anything like the Derry game and Armagh might have a shot at it. Hope everyone heading down has a great day out - all the best.

Good luck to the boys today yous can do it. Just believe. Paint Croker orange and white🧡🤍 (get on the road early it's a beautiful day in the city and plenty of fans about already). Armagh Abu

Adh mor innui Ard Macha

Kerry by 8.

Armagh by 3. Donegal aet

Hoping for a classic and the players on both sides have the ability to serve that up, but the two coaches will dictate what way it goes, and unfortunately therefore there's a much bigger chance of a cagey affair.

Watched the piece on the Gavin White where he talked about his speed being an asset and he continues to work on it.  Great, but he'll not get much chance to use it in the modern game.

I Think Its Crazy That Armagh Has to Change From Their Traditional Jersey

Mugsy had no problem with Co Derry badges when he went to primary and secondary school here. He wore a St Pius Magherafelt badge for 5 years.

Quote from: GalwayBay1966 on July 13, 2024, 05:12:04 PMI Think Its Crazy That Armagh Has to Change From Their Traditional Jersey

What's that for?

Decent start anyway with two shots and two scores.

Kerry by 6-8.

That black on green ain't great on tv. Why Armagh not in Orange?

Eaomon Fitzmaurice co-commentator. Are RTE not get someone neutral?

Gough with his usual free 30m from the play

Armagh seem to be playing abit open.

Last one a Armagh free

Yellow card all day that high tackle there, Kerry lad up quick though

15 minutes played, Armagh need a score badly,  0-6 to 0-2 to Kerry.

Much better from Armagh 0-5 to 0-6 now 22 mins played.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 13, 2024, 05:40:29 PMYellow card all day that high tackle there, Kerry lad up quick though

Kerry player ducked into it.

Gough gives frees for easy pulls 40m away from the ball but totally ignores 2 armed wrap round tackles.

As a neutral really enjoying this. Kerry just that bit more clinical. Pity that Armagh goal chance wasn't taken.

Armagh missing a lot of easy chances

Armagh kicking this away.

That's a pen!

How much was that Gough p***k

Half time Kerry 0-10 Armagh 0-6.  Good save on the goal chance for Armagh on 30 minutes.

Gough is at least 2 types of bent

Quote from: screenexile on July 13, 2024, 06:04:47 PMThat's a pen!

Think the Kerry player was just outside.

kerry lads love the sledging.

No outside the square, Kerry playing way better, Armagh struggling for scores, should had a goal. Defensive set up only gets you so far and once Armagh push up I feel there Defenders arena great one on one. Sure Kerry sledged most of the Derry game, if people took their blinkers off.

Quote from: Armagh18 on July 13, 2024, 06:05:11 PMHow much was that Gough p***k

Could just as easily have given Kerry a penalty there

Quote from: Blowitupref on July 13, 2024, 06:06:53 PMHalf time Kerry 0-10 Armagh 0-6.  Good save on the goal chance for Armagh on 30 minutes.

Conor McKenna 3 years ago buried those chances for Tyrone. You have to take every opportunity when playing Kerry.

Looks like Hughes from Monaghan was spot on.

Quote from: Gael85 on July 13, 2024, 06:08:17 PMkerry lads love the sledging.

EVERY single team on this island, club or county give and take verbals.

Gough give Armagh 2 handy enough frees for pulling away from the play which other refs don't give, so he's not been sore on Armagh.

With the opportunities missed Armagh should be level at least at half time. Giving too much room to Kerry to shoot and score and they'll hit 0-20 if Armagh don't tighten up defensively.

Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 13, 2024, 06:11:37 PMWith the opportunities missed Armagh should be level at least at half time. Giving too much room to Kerry to shoot and score and they'll hit 0-20 if Armagh don't tighten up defensively.

No they shouldn't... You take wrong options, certain players shooting from stupid angles and distances, they shouldn't and aren't going in level

Armagh had a good surge earlier but they're letting the game get away from them. Kicking silly wides, charging with the ball, looking for frees. The goal chance was a big moment and the save could be the turning point if Kerry kick on here and build a bigger lead

The stats make it very straightforward... Kerry 10 from 12 chances Armagh 6 from 15!

Agreed, the difference here is Kerry defence are far more physical in the tackle than Armagh who are far too passive.

If Armagh can sort that out they will stay in the match, I don't think they will sort it though.

Armagh need to push up everywhere at every chance.

They're not going to beat Kerry playing modern football. Kerry are better at it.

They need to "mill into those c***ts."

Armagh needed a rainy day to have a real chance here

They're just not as good unfortunately.

Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2024, 06:17:37 PMThey're just not as good unfortunately.

Kerry look good to you?

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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2024, 06:17:37 PMThey're just not as good unfortunately.

Kerry look good to you?

They're 4 up with only 1 forward really firing... Ominous for Armagh, but they are still in this game so anything can happen

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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2024, 06:17:37 PMThey're just not as good unfortunately.

Kerry look good to you?

Better than Armagh so far!

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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2024, 06:17:37 PMThey're just not as good unfortunately.

Kerry look good to you?

They're a good bit better really without having to be great. Same as Derry match.

Kerry still dropping off the kickouts it's up to Armagh to make the possession count!

2 horrible mistakes this half already coughing up easy possession.

Armagh blessed that Kerry didn't pull the trigger earlier there, not sure what they were waiting on

Jaysis Christ, what an awful miss

Quote from: Schkite on July 13, 2024, 06:29:58 PMArmagh blessed that Kerry didn't pull the trigger earlier there, not sure what they were waiting on

Another goal chance right now kicked wide.   0-11 to 0-7 42 minutes played.

Kerry cud hit 3 or 4 goals here..

Kerry butchered 2-2 there and now there's only 2 in it.

Still only a 2 point game now

Has to be a square ball

Kerry cud hit 3 or 4 goals here..

Nothing wrong that goal,

Kerry goal now and stands after a some debate.  1-11 to 0-9 48 minutes played.

Quote from: highorlow on July 13, 2024, 06:36:16 PMHas to be a square ball

Can't hear the commentary but looked like the lad who knocked the ball back wasn't in the square before the ball came in... does the other lad count if the ball is already in the square?

Umpires are blind

Kerry got a bit lucky there with how the ball just about kept in play from Clifford's shot, but they absolutely deserve a goal on the basis on this half so far and this scoreline is more reflective of the game

Was that goal given?

Impossible to see unless they have a timeout and check the screen.

But not going to happen.

QuoteCan't hear the commentary but looked like the lad who knocked the ball back wasn't in the square before the ball came in... does the other lad count if the ball is already in the square?

I think your correct, other lad was probably outside square before initial ball arrived in

Two in a row for Armagh they are hanging in there 1-11 to 0-11

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QuoteCan't hear the commentary but looked like the lad who knocked the ball back wasn't in the square before the ball came in... does the other lad count if the ball is already in the square?

I think your correct, other lad was probably outside square before initial ball arrived in

It goes by the final play before touch in square. He was in square before final play so wrong decision.

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QuoteCan't hear the commentary but looked like the lad who knocked the ball back wasn't in the square before the ball came in... does the other lad count if the ball is already in the square?

I think your correct, other lad was probably outside square before initial ball arrived in

It goes by the final play before touch in square. He was in square before final play so wrong decision.

Where is that rule??

QuoteIt goes by the final play before touch in square. He was in square before final play so wrong decision.

Eamon Fitz or Marty would have picked up on that? They didn't even allude to a square ball, he was a yard inside the square. No way could officials and commentators get that wrong.

Goal for Armagh, poor goalkeeping.  1-12 to 1-11 game on!

Sometimes taking the wrong option again and again works out.

Jesus, a double balls up by Shane Ryan there, nightmare minute for him.

Beggars belief that Armagh are only a point behind with the chances there have been in this half lol. Anything could happen at this point

Kerry Keeper reminding me of our Derry Keeper.

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QuoteIt goes by the final play before touch in square. He was in square before final play so wrong decision.

Eamon Fitz or Marty would have picked up on that? They didn't even allude to a square ball, he was a yard inside the square. No way could officials and commentators get that wrong.

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QuoteCan't hear the commentary but looked like the lad who knocked the ball back wasn't in the square before the ball came in... does the other lad count if the ball is already in the square?

I think your correct, other lad was probably outside square before initial ball arrived in

It goes by the final play before touch in square. He was in square before final play so wrong decision.

Where is that rule??

https://learning.gaa.ie/Referee/SquareBall

Kerry are rattled now I tell ya. Armagh hammering the hammer , they could do it

Kerry still susceptible under the high ball

Kerry getting every bit of luck going here.

Gough will end up deciding this match with some shite calls as usual

Aidan Forker hooked?

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QuoteIt goes by the final play before touch in square. He was in square before final play so wrong decision.

Eamon Fitz or Marty would have picked up on that? They didn't even allude to a square ball, he was a yard inside the square. No way could officials and commentators get that wrong.

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QuoteCan't hear the commentary but looked like the lad who knocked the ball back wasn't in the square before the ball came in... does the other lad count if the ball is already in the square?

I think your correct, other lad was probably outside square before initial ball arrived in

It goes by the final play before touch in square. He was in square before final play so wrong decision.

Where is that rule??

https://learning.gaa.ie/Referee/SquareBall

No mention of "final play"

Why is Eamon Fitzmaurice on Co-Commentary? Can they not find some one from Connacht/Leinster?

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QuoteIt goes by the final play before touch in square. He was in square before final play so wrong decision.

Eamon Fitz or Marty would have picked up on that? They didn't even allude to a square ball, he was a yard inside the square. No way could officials and commentators get that wrong.

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QuoteCan't hear the commentary but looked like the lad who knocked the ball back wasn't in the square before the ball came in... does the other lad count if the ball is already in the square?

I think your correct, other lad was probably outside square before initial ball arrived in

It goes by the final play before touch in square. He was in square before final play so wrong decision.

Where is that rule??

https://learning.gaa.ie/Referee/SquareBall

No mention of "final play"

Yeah looks like goal was fine.

Can't believe Kerry aren't pressing g any kickouts

Level game 65 minutes played.  Armagh one in front 3 minutes of normal time left.

Gough making some ,I am centre of attention calls.

Shane Ryan has cost Kerry big time here

He is standing up to Kerry...


Fair play to Armagh here. Some effort.

Quote from: clarshack on July 13, 2024, 06:55:35 PMShane Ryan has cost Kerry big time here

What was wrong with that?? Again I can't hear commentary

Gough loves making himself star of the show

Do Armagh have the believe to see this out?

What was the hop ball for?

Kerry are running out of ideas

Quote from: screenexile on July 13, 2024, 06:57:16 PMWhat was the hop ball for?

Kerry players not beyond the D for the kickout

4 minutes added sides are level.

Two basic mistakes cud have undone this. . Jees!

Kerry not pushed up on any kickout, that's pure silly with little time left

Big turn over there for Kerry.  One last chance to score or will we have extra time?  A wide for Kerry seconds left.

FT 1-14 each extra time it is.

21 for Armagh choked it.

Super battle

Brutal decision-making on both sides for their last attack. Each side had the chance to run the clock down and have one chance to take the win, but players got a bit jumpy and took poor shots

Brilliant stuff!

Oisin O'Neill will have nightmares if Armagh don't prevail here.

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Kerry players not beyond the D for the kickout

Need to see it again!

Armagh didn't push when had kerry on the ropes.

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Kerry players not beyond the D for the kickout

Need to see it again!

They showed the replay. Two lads not outside. The player receiving the ball was outside. But two lads hadn't made it out.

Aidan Nugent with 3 big errors in last 10 mins. Could have won it if they were cut out and Oisin ONeill took his chance.

Can still see Armagh winning and, God forgive me, want to see them doing it.

Where's the GOAT? MIA again.

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 13, 2024, 07:08:25 PMAidan Nugent with 3 big errors in last 10 mins. Could have won it if they were cut out and Oisin ONeill took his chance.

Can still see Armagh winning and, God forgive me, want to see them doing it.

Normally, Nugent and O'Neill coming on would be bankers for a point. A lot of errors by both sides.

Lucky Kerry to get extra time. A more accurate Armagh 1st half would have won that game by a few points to spare.

It's going to penalties again isn't it?

Great game so far. Both teams love the sledging and leave shoulders in off the ball.

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 13, 2024, 07:08:25 PMAidan Nugent with 3 big errors in last 10 mins. Could have won it if they were cut out and Oisin ONeill took his chance.

Can still see Armagh winning and, God forgive me, want to see them doing it.

100% that switch will cost Armagh the game.

Forker and seanie O'Shea always at something once the ball goes away.

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Kerry players not beyond the D for the kickout

Need to see it again!

I did... it was probably fair enough there were lads sprinting out of the D anway from the ball. Although I'm not sure about that rule what is the point of the rule?

Quote from: tyssam5 on July 13, 2024, 07:09:30 PMWhere's the GOAT? MIA again.

Vanished in a big game. Again.

Kerry will be having nightmares now about the ET against Tyrone. Armagh's game to lose.

Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 13, 2024, 07:12:06 PMLucky Kerry to get extra time. A more accurate Armagh 1st half would have won that game by a few points to spare.

It's going to penalties again isn't it?

You're some craic. Kerry take their other goal chances and Armagh don't get their lucky goal there's a 9 point swing.

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Quote from: tyssam5 on July 13, 2024, 07:09:30 PMWhere's the GOAT? MIA again.

Vanished in a big game. Again.

Last year's All-Ireland final loss appears to have rattled him.

Bad miss from Nugent

One of Kerry's goal chances came from a turnover that happened due to Gough getting in crealey's way...

Armagh have had the stronger bench in that they have replaced like v like.

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Quote from: tyssam5 on July 13, 2024, 07:09:30 PMWhere's the GOAT? MIA again.

Vanished in a big game. Again.

Just shows you that the best player to have ever played the game can have average games, almost human like

Kerry are knackered here

Nugent must be wearing boxing gloves today.

Nugent has been crap since he came on.

Quote from: clarshack on July 13, 2024, 07:18:44 PMBad miss from Nugent

He's having a tough time. You'd imagine they would replace him at some point.

Armagh not still pushing on. The amount of kerry lads cramping up. It now or never for Armagh.

Quote from: clarshack on July 13, 2024, 07:23:21 PMKerry are knackered here

They look tired surely

Kerry to win on penalties 👀

Kerry there for the taking

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Quote from: clarshack on July 13, 2024, 07:18:44 PMBad miss from Nugent

He's having a tough time. You'd imagine they would replace him at some point.

There's your answer

Them o'neills don't lack belief

Tight one there

Debatable wide for Armagh there.

Does anyone want to win??

Armagh two points in front at half time in extra time.

Quote from: Blowitupref on July 13, 2024, 07:29:34 PMDebatable wide for Armagh there.

Be a short enough debate though.

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 13, 2024, 07:30:01 PMDoes anyone want to win??

Despite only 2 pts in it there's only one team in it.

Armagh's to lose now, Kerry look legless

Orangemen have this if they keep their heads

I did not see this coming! Hopefully Armagh will see it out... fantastic effort.

Essential Armagh concede no goals. Kerry legs are gone, if Armagh don't beat Kerry now they won't for a long time.

Jack O'Connor hasn't lost to Ulster opposition as Kerry manager since 2012.

Kerry have been blowing out of their arses since well before the end of normal time.

Not to change subject why are Armagh not wearing orange?

Why is David Clifford not being brought on off the bench?

Why is that blinkered Kerry clown Fitzmaurice allowed on RTE commentary?

Quote from: mrdeeds on July 13, 2024, 07:33:33 PMNot to change subject why are Armagh not wearing orange?

Too close to the 12th.

Quote from: Tubberman on July 13, 2024, 07:32:21 PMKerry look legless

Worth noting Kerry did't go all out in Munster or the league and avoided the 3 games in 14 days by topping their group.

Quote from: mrdeeds on July 13, 2024, 07:33:33 PMNot to change subject why are Armagh not wearing orange?

According to BBC commentary at start, it's because they think they play better wearing black.

Two in a row for Kerry . Armagh 1-17 to 1-16 in front with 6 minutes to play.

Gough swallow his whistle, rules of fouling have went out the window here

Armagh with a couple of silly efforts

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Quote from: clarshack on July 13, 2024, 07:18:44 PMBad miss from Nugent

He's having a tough time. You'd imagine they would replace him at some point.

There's your answer

Penalties!

Gough is a cheating **** - bottling out giving a free in

Gough doing his best for Kerry here.

Gough keeping Kerry in it. Clear frees for Armagh not given

Armagh two in front with seconds left.

FT Armagh 1-18 Kerry 1-16.  First All Ireland final since 2003.

Yes. That is fantastic to see

McGeeney thanking the lord above that he doesn't have to face penalties again

Fair fucks Armagh! Congratulations!

Fair play, Armagh.  Thought they'd blown it in normal time.

Fair play to the noisy neighbours. They'll bring some atmosphere and colour to the final.

Great to see

Fair play Armagh they deserved it. Kerry were far too passive and the way they conceded the kickout just showed they were too cagey.

Armagh went for it in extra time and that's what you have to do!

Game of the year .. well for it being so tense!! Fair play Armagh

Unbelievable Jeff. Full credit to the Armagh players and management after recent bad luck on penalty shootouts. Bench once again made serious impact.

Fair play to Armagh. Unreal that! ...

Great to see Dublin and Kerry both gone.
Would like to see Galway win now tomorrow.
Donaghy celebrating like that won't go down well in Kerry.

Where have all the "Kerry are better" people gone? We tried telling yous ffs. Kerry built up based on f**k all.

Fair play to Armagh! I said before that Kerry should win but there were certain questions over them after that Derry match - and my word they were so poor there. The missed goal chances, the gift of a goal, then incredible lack of composure towards the end of full-time and even more so throughout extra-time. A team with so much talent but no spine or leadership.

But Armagh still had to take advantage and from a few points down too. For a team with a history of losing big games that was no mean feat. The standard was dreadful but Armagh won't care - and the best of the football came from them with some big scores. Congratulations to them and to all the Armagh posters on here.

Sidearse talking some shite, as usual.

You can expect no mention of Clifford's absolute non-performance by he way

Kerry were very disappointing, and they were never the same after the mess up by Ryan that gave away the goal - but all the credit has to go to Armagh with how they persevered and saw it out. Good for the game that neither Dublin nor Kerry will be winning it and it'll be a fresh looking final. Anything could happen in that game regardless of who comes out on top tomorrow.

Fantastic game. Well played Armagh.

I was up in in the athletic grounds last year for Armagh v Mayo league match.
It was a typical game for both Mayo and Armagh, both could have won it and both could have lost.
But the Armagh crowd were the soundest I met in years, had great craic with them. Even the land in some parts was like west of ireland, so up Armagh, hope they win it now

Quote from: grounded on July 12, 2024, 02:22:44 PMArmagh 3/1 tomorrow. Surely value in that.

There was!!!

Quote from: screenexile on July 13, 2024, 07:47:43 PMFair play Armagh they deserved it. Kerry were far too passive and the way they conceded the kickout just showed they were too cagey.

Armagh went for it in extra time and that's what you have to do!

Derry will be sick, should have given it a go

Quote from: greatpoint on July 13, 2024, 07:49:11 PMWhere have all the "Kerry are better" people gone? We tried telling yous ffs. Kerry built up based on f**k all.

Calm down... you should be happy. Based on winning All Ireland two years ago and finalists last year. Brilliant from Armagh...

Well done Armagh. Finally got the right side of a big game. Delighted for McGeeney, hope Armagh finish the job. Irrespective of who wins AI will be a new team.

Quote from: Turf on July 13, 2024, 07:49:09 PMGreat to see Dublin and Kerry both gone.
Would like to see Galway win now tomorrow.
Donaghy celebrating like that won't go down well in Kerry."

Or Tyrone  :)

Fair play to Armagh. They brought everything to that game and left the Kerry attack looking very blunt. Well deserved win and a serious chance for McGeeney team to win the biggest trophy of them all.

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Quote from: grounded on July 12, 2024, 02:22:44 PMArmagh 3/1 tomorrow. Surely value in that.

There was!!!

Is that not a losing bet? 70mins

Quote from: greatpoint on July 13, 2024, 07:50:52 PMYou can expect no mention of Clifford's absolute non-performance by he way

Never ever do I want to hear about him being anywhere near the best player of all time.
He's not even the best in his family.

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Quote from: greatpoint on July 13, 2024, 07:49:11 PMWhere have all the "Kerry are better" people gone? We tried telling yous ffs. Kerry built up based on f**k all.

Calm down... you should be happy. Based on winning All Ireland two years ago and finalists last year. Brilliant from Armagh...

It's funny you assume I'm from Armagh, just hate the sight of Kerry.

Anyone who actually watched Kerry this year could not have confidently backed them today. Sorry, no excuses.

Fair play to Armagh and KMcG. I had my doubts they had it in them to take a big scalp but that was well won today. Fitness and desire oozing out of the Armagh team in extra time. Kerry looked shelled shocked.

England in the Euro final, Armagh in the AI final and no sign of any sun. This summer ain't looking so hot!!

Mighty banter on BBC, their production light years ahead of RTE!

Massive congratulations to Armagh. Absolutely delighted for ye. Nothing won yet but a brilliant achievement to get to AI final and will be very special occasion. Brilliant that it's against Donegal or Galway too. I think for us neutrals, everyone is a winner.
And delighted for Geezer. A brilliant coach, often vilified, but a legendary player who walked the walk and never asks anything off a player he wouldn't do himself. A player's player and a player's coach.

Incredible from Armagh there.


Nugent had an absolute nightmare thank god they didn't lose it or he'd be sick... Hopefully he has a good game the next day.

The fitness of them Armagh lads was outrageous... The bench probably won it for them.

Happy Armagh won that, they deserved it fully, great support there today and good for the game to have 2 teams in the final that aren't Kerry or Dublin.

First time we'll have a winner outside the big 3 since 2012.

Quote from: Look-Up! on July 13, 2024, 08:02:16 PMMassive congratulations to Armagh. Absolutely delighted for ye. Nothing won yet but a brilliant achievement to get to AI final and will be very special occasion. Brilliant that it's against Donegal or Galway too. I think for us neutrals, everyone is a winner.
And delighted for Geezer. A brilliant coach, often vilified, but a legendary player who walked the walk and never asks anything off a player he wouldn't do himself. A player's player and a player's coach.

Yeah it's hard not to be happy for McGeeney especially after losing on penalties several times, they were always very close and didn't get over the line. They have a great squad of footballers no doubt about it.

Jarly Og Burns made a massive difference around the middle in ET. Tubritt very influential when came back on.

Quote from: RedHand88 on July 13, 2024, 08:05:03 PMFirst time we'll have a winner outside the big 3 since 2012.

Second time we'll have a winner outside the big 2 since 2012.

Big 3 - how many more Sams have Galway than Tyrone?

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Quote from: greatpoint on July 13, 2024, 07:49:11 PMWhere have all the "Kerry are better" people gone? We tried telling yous ffs. Kerry built up based on f**k all.

Calm down... you should be happy. Based on winning All Ireland two years ago and finalists last year. Brilliant from Armagh...

It's funny you assume I'm from Armagh, just hate the sight of Kerry.

Anyone who actually watched Kerry this year could not have confidently backed them today. Sorry, no excuses.

I despise Kerry too... I didn't think Armagh had that in the tank. Hammering Mickey Harte not exactly a big ask in the championship. They were brilliant today tho...

Very obvious now Kerry are a one man team. Last years final was a big indication but today spelled it out. When DC doesn't perform they are average enough.

Quote from: greatpoint on July 13, 2024, 07:49:11 PMWhere have all the "Kerry are better" people gone? We tried telling yous ffs. Kerry built up based on f**k all.

:) based on maybe winning it in 2022? Armagh hadn't been in a final since 2003?

Congrats Armagh and supporters, will be incredible to have a final to look forward to. Wonder can Donegal join them tomorrow?

Fair play Armagh.

Great to see, and to keep the ulster success from club senior intermediate and junior, Sigerson hogan u20 minor and Tailtean going
Heard jarlath talking last sunday about how many trophies he has handed out already to ulster teams
Imagine he finishes the year with armagh and his son
I'f it was me I'd just resign. Fake an illness

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Quote from: greatpoint on July 13, 2024, 07:49:11 PMWhere have all the "Kerry are better" people gone? We tried telling yous ffs. Kerry built up based on f**k all.

:) based on maybe winning it in 2022? Armagh hadn't been in a final since 2003?

Congrats Armagh and supporters, will be incredible to have a final to look forward to. Wonder can Donegal join them tomorrow?

2022? That was two years ago

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Quote from: greatpoint on July 13, 2024, 07:49:11 PMWhere have all the "Kerry are better" people gone? We tried telling yous ffs. Kerry built up based on f**k all.

:) based on maybe winning it in 2022? Armagh hadn't been in a final since 2003?

Congrats Armagh and supporters, will be incredible to have a final to look forward to. Wonder can Donegal join them tomorrow?

Ulster won f**k all in hurling though  ;)

Will be the only the 3rd time since 2003 that the All Ireland won't be won by one of Kerry,Dublin or Tyrone.

Well done Armagh.  McGeeney has built a very good squad and they were queuing up to contribute.
For Kerry, that was a slow motion car crash.

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Quote from: greatpoint on July 13, 2024, 07:49:11 PMWhere have all the "Kerry are better" people gone? We tried telling yous ffs. Kerry built up based on f**k all.

:) based on maybe winning it in 2022? Armagh hadn't been in a final since 2003?

Congrats Armagh and supporters, will be incredible to have a final to look forward to. Wonder can Donegal join them tomorrow?

Ulster won f**k all in hurling though  ;)

Fermanagh 2024 Lory Meagher champions  ;D

Well done Ard Mhacha and Mc Geeney.  A great effort.  Well deserved, especially after half-time.

Kerry are seriously over-rated. O'Sullivan didn't take his goal chances in first half which would have killed the game. Paudie Clifford is their best player.

Campbell and Jarlath Óg were good. They brought a great energy and a few scores. There was only one winner in extra-time.  Armagh's fitness was very good. A few Kerry lads were cramping up very early.

I hope Armagh wear the black shirts in the final.  Good to see Mc Keever getting a run at it.

Happy for Mc Geeney. He's stuck at it and deserves a bit of luck. There'll be a good buzz about Armagh over the next two weeks. 

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Quote from: greatpoint on July 13, 2024, 07:49:11 PMWhere have all the "Kerry are better" people gone? We tried telling yous ffs. Kerry built up based on f**k all.

:) based on maybe winning it in 2022? Armagh hadn't been in a final since 2003?

Congrats Armagh and supporters, will be incredible to have a final to look forward to. Wonder can Donegal join them tomorrow?

Ulster won f**k all in hurling though  ;)

Fermanagh 2024 Lory Meagher champions  ;D

Donegal Nicky Rackard 2024 😎

Kerry's 5-in-a-row minor (2014-2018) run has produced one senior All-Ireland title.  And their squad depth is still isn't very good. Their bench is well below the other top sides in the country.

Ah Stop... Ok fair enough Ulster are hurling gods now also!

Kieran Hughes "Armagh should be happy to lose by two points to Kerry"  ;D

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Quote from: greatpoint on July 13, 2024, 07:49:11 PMWhere have all the "Kerry are better" people gone? We tried telling yous ffs. Kerry built up based on f**k all.

:) based on maybe winning it in 2022? Armagh hadn't been in a final since 2003?

Congrats Armagh and supporters, will be incredible to have a final to look forward to. Wonder can Donegal join them tomorrow?

2022? That was two years ago

Still more recent than any of Armagh's trophies!

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Quote from: greatpoint on July 13, 2024, 07:49:11 PMWhere have all the "Kerry are better" people gone? We tried telling yous ffs. Kerry built up based on f**k all.

:) based on maybe winning it in 2022? Armagh hadn't been in a final since 2003?

Congrats Armagh and supporters, will be incredible to have a final to look forward to. Wonder can Donegal join them tomorrow?

2022? That was two years ago

Been hearing great reports about those chocolate mushrooms

Armagh v Donegal for a Tyrone man is like trying to choose between Rangers and England. Galway please do the business 🙏 😂

The only time Armagh won the All-Ireland title - Derry minors won the  All-Ireland minor championship and a side from Derry were the reigning All-Ireland Club champions...just saying.

Well that was mental. Don't know where to start with that but the obvious thing is the impact of the subs. Jarly Og had an absolutely huge impact on that game and I'm not a huge fan, McQuillan and Soupy were both excellent as well, Aidan Nugent had a mare and will be glad to get another day out. I thought my own clubman Joe McElroy had his best game in an Armagh jersey. One to win and we won.

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Quote from: greatpoint on July 13, 2024, 07:49:11 PMWhere have all the "Kerry are better" people gone? We tried telling yous ffs. Kerry built up based on f**k all.

:) based on maybe winning it in 2022? Armagh hadn't been in a final since 2003?

Congrats Armagh and supporters, will be incredible to have a final to look forward to. Wonder can Donegal join them tomorrow?

2022? That was two years ago

Been hearing great reports about those chocolate mushrooms

You should seriously consider giving them a go. Maybe it will improve your football insight.

Armagh came strong in extra time and are worthy winners. Kerry make a hash of 2 very good goal chances plus whatever the keeper was at. All last year star forwards been poor this year. O'Neill played well for Armagh.

The way Donaghy was jumping up and down the sideline surely there's no way they'll accept that in Kerry, only a matter of time before they throw the Tyrone/Nordie label at him. It's probably considered alright for someone from Kerry to go and help another county out but you're not supposed to beat them lol.

Armagh were 4 or 5 points the better side in extra time I thought... Credit to mcgeaney for building a squad so strong.

Subs improved the team rather than weaken it

Quote from: clarshack on July 13, 2024, 08:39:18 PMThe way Donaghy was jumping up and down the sideline surely there's no way they'll accept that in Kerry, only a matter of time before they throw the Tyrone/Nordie label at him. It's probably considered alright for someone from Kerry to go and help another county out but you're not supposed to beat them lol.

Knives out for Jack O'Connor in Kerry already

Quote from: clarshack on July 13, 2024, 08:33:14 PMArmagh v Donegal for a Tyrone man is like trying to choose between Rangers and England. Galway please do the business 🙏 😂

I get the feeling that if even Antrim or Fermanagh were to be in an AI Final, yous c***ts would support the other team.

Thought Donaghy leaving himself wide open alright. Surely he doesn't travel up and down from Kerry all the time?

Quote from: clarshack on July 13, 2024, 08:39:18 PMThe way Donaghy was jumping up and down the sideline surely there's no way they'll accept that in Kerry, only a matter of time before they throw the Tyrone/Nordie label at him. It's probably considered alright for someone from Kerry to go and help another county out but you're not supposed to beat them lol.

Donie Buckley did it in 2017, maybe not as high profile though!

Fair play to donaghy for celebrating. He invested alot of time in armagh. Really no win for him as if he didnt celebrate the armagh fans may have questioned him and rightly so.

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Quote from: greatpoint on July 13, 2024, 07:49:11 PMWhere have all the "Kerry are better" people gone? We tried telling yous ffs. Kerry built up based on f**k all.

:) based on maybe winning it in 2022? Armagh hadn't been in a final since 2003?

Congrats Armagh and supporters, will be incredible to have a final to look forward to. Wonder can Donegal join them tomorrow?

2022? That was two years ago

Been hearing great reports about those chocolate mushrooms

You should seriously consider giving them a go. Maybe it will improve your football insight.

2022 champs, 2023 finalists. One run out in Croke '24 and win by 5 against a Derry team who had found a bit of form... keep you going, don't let sensible chat get in your way

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Quote from: greatpoint on July 13, 2024, 07:49:11 PMWhere have all the "Kerry are better" people gone? We tried telling yous ffs. Kerry built up based on f**k all.

:) based on maybe winning it in 2022? Armagh hadn't been in a final since 2003?

Congrats Armagh and supporters, will be incredible to have a final to look forward to. Wonder can Donegal join them tomorrow?

2022? That was two years ago

Been hearing great reports about those chocolate mushrooms

You should seriously consider giving them a go. Maybe it will improve your football insight.

2022 champs, 2023 finalists. One run out in Croke '24 and win by 5 against a Derry team who had found a bit of form... keep you going, don't let sensible chat get in your way

You're bringing up the Derry game as evidence of Kerry's form? That's brilliant, did you not watch the game at all no? 

Quote from: clarshack on July 13, 2024, 08:39:18 PMThe way Donaghy was jumping up and down the sideline surely there's no way they'll accept that in Kerry, only a matter of time before they throw the Tyrone/Nordie label at him. It's probably considered alright for someone from Kerry to go and help another county out but you're not supposed to beat them lol.

Did kerry not have a tyrone man on board when the won the ai 2 years ago ? They can't have it everyway in the kingdom . Well done to armagh on the win , really enjoyed the match.  Enjoy the build up to the final .

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Quote from: clarshack on July 13, 2024, 08:39:18 PMThe way Donaghy was jumping up and down the sideline surely there's no way they'll accept that in Kerry, only a matter of time before they throw the Tyrone/Nordie label at him. It's probably considered alright for someone from Kerry to go and help another county out but you're not supposed to beat them lol.

Did kerry not have a tyrone man on board when the won the ai 2 years ago ? They can't have it everyway in the kingdom . Well done to armagh on the win , really enjoyed the match.  Enjoy the build up to the final .

Did the Tyrone man celebrate like Donaghy did today?

Quote from: bennydorano on July 13, 2024, 08:35:20 PMWell that was mental. Don't know where to start with that but the obvious thing is the impact of the subs. Jarly Og had an absolutely huge impact on that game and I'm not a huge fan, McQuillan and Soupy were both excellent as well, Aidan Nugent had a mare and will be glad to get another day out. I thought my own clubman Joe McElroy had his best game in an Armagh jersey. One to win and we won.

Thought he legitimately could have been MOTM, carried some amount of ball til the very end.

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Quote from: clarshack on July 13, 2024, 08:39:18 PMThe way Donaghy was jumping up and down the sideline surely there's no way they'll accept that in Kerry, only a matter of time before they throw the Tyrone/Nordie label at him. It's probably considered alright for someone from Kerry to go and help another county out but you're not supposed to beat them lol.

Did kerry not have a tyrone man on board when the won the ai 2 years ago ? They can't have it everyway in the kingdom . Well done to armagh on the win , really enjoyed the match.  Enjoy the build up to the final .

Did the Tyrone man celebrate like Donaghy did today?

I haven't a Clue how he celebrated , all I'm saying is that their county got an outsider to assist them In winning the all ireland so they shouldn't have a problem with it . Fair play to donaghy for celebrating the way he did.

From the Irish Examiner fair ratings?

Tony Leen - Kerry ratings

Shane Ryan (Rathmore)
The life and strife of a keeper. Won't be remembered for a super 30th minute save from Andrew Murnin, but for the fatal spill that gave Armagh their goal and route back into the semi-final. A bit stuttering on restarts too. 5

Paul Murphy (Rathmore)
You'd have got long odds on the Rathmore man being Kerry's sole goalscorer. Put in an energetic shift, missed a late chance at a point that he snatched at – he wasn't alone in that respect. Held Conaty and/or Grugan well. 6.5

Jason Foley (Ballydonoghue)
Cramped up and missed one of the key chances for Kerry in extra time – the episodes are probably linked. Eventually had to retire with same. For the most part, handled Andrew Murnin well in the round. 6

Tom O'Sullivan (Dingle)
Like his keeper, may be remembered more for the goal chances he blew wide (or was it blocked?) at the beginning of the second half than his defensive play – though Conor Turbitt did kick a couple of scores from play. Armagh had him well clocked too offensively. 6

Briain O Beaglaoich (Gaeltacht)
Got turned over more than once, a noteworthy trait of the winners that is inextricably linked to the involvement of Kieran Donaghy. Like his colleagues, moved seamlessly through the gears in the first period, but his influence waned considerably after the break. 6

Tadhg Morley (Templeoe)
Played all 90 minutes, which was remarkable, but Armagh's ability to score from distance left him occasionally between the devil and the deep blue sea - adrift between pressing on and maintaining that defensive shield. Another victim of Armagh's quick-hands in the turnover ledger. 5

Gavin White (Dr Crokes)
Putting him on Rian O'Neill looked to be paying handsome dividends for the first 40 minutes, but as the Crossmaglen man's influence grew, White struggled to wrest back any momentum. That was a major plus in McGeeney's column. 6

Diarmuid O'Connor (Na Gaeil)
Arguably Kerry's best player on the day. He may have only kicked a point, but he rescued the goal from the endline, and was a mobile influence throughout the piece. 7.5

Joe O'Connor (Austin Stacks)
Seized upon at least two turnovers when Kerry's defence was on top and wrapping up the Armagh offence in the first 35. Probably should have goaled himself after the break but handed the chance onto Tom O'Sullivan. 6

Tony Brosnan (Dr Crokes)
One could cut and paste for most of the Kerry attack: lively early doors but once Armagh had reeled in the Kerry goal on 47 minutes, the ciotog struggled to break lines and find space to impact. Kicked 0-1. 6

Paudie Clifford (Fossa)
Arguably the skipper's most influential afternoon since the Championship got serious, though even he was guilty of poor turnovers at a critical stage of proceedings. Finished with three points, including what appeared a crucial late one. 7

Dara Moynihan (Spa)
Had the boost of a nice early score, and was diligent and effective in his duties out of possession but didn't have the desired impact on the semi-final. It's been that sort of campaign for the Spa man. 6

David Clifford (Fossa)
The season ends frustratingly once more for the twice footballer of the year – snatching at hurried chances when under pressure and feeling that he had to be the one to produce a rabbit from the hat. One point from play and one mark is not the sort of return that will get Kerry to the last weekend in July. For all the spread of scores this campaign, Kerry have not got their main man firing. 6

Sean O'Shea (Kenmare)
As above. Kicked the first score of the game, but it has been a tepid championship at best for one of the game's top operators. Where heretofore he's always found that half a metre, that hasn't been the case this summer. Could need a break. 6

Paul Geaney (Dingle)
The sense was that it was a refreshed Dingle marksman this summer when he returned from a lay-off, but this semi-final was a struggle for Geaney, sprinkled too liberally with errors around the ball. Called ashore 12 minutes after the break. 5

Subs
Again Cillian Burke (7) and Dylan Geaney (6.5) made impacts on the scoreboard, the former carrying the fight late to the Armagh men. Killian Spillane missed his one sight on goal, while the likes of Graham O'Sullivan (6), Barry Dan O'Sullivan (6) and the O'Briens hardly had enough time to bend the game to their will.




Eoghan Cormican - Armagh ratings

Blaine Hughes
Restarts were composed and assured. Even the long ones he was forced into more often than not found an orange geansaí, particularly in extra-time when Kerry applied an aggressive press. 8

Paddy Burns
Won his duel with Paul Geaney, the latter whipped on 49 minutes. Found his replacement, Killian Spillane, more difficult to tie down. 7

Aaron McKay
His brief was to sweep in front of Barry McCambridge and David Clifford, offering support and protection to the former. Made a fine catch in the early minutes. Clifford's mark on 25 minutes spoke of McKay failing in his duty. It proved a once-off. 7

Peter McGrane
Loosely tracked Kerry linkman Paudie Clifford. The older Clifford brother was not at all influential in the opening half, although McGrane can't claim much of the credit for that. Provided the Orchard County's opening score.
Rough and rash tackle on Geaney in first half stoppages resulted in a converted Seán O'Shea free and a yellow card for McGrane. How much did that yellow influence his half-time withdrawal? 6

Barry McCambridge
Handed the David Clifford brief. Acquitted himself as well as anyone who has held this brief previously. Sure, Clifford converted a 25th minute mark, but McCambridge had four minutes earlier turned over the footballer of the year in a passage of play that ended with a Rian O'Neill white flag.
Palmed the goal that brought Armagh roaring back into this contest. Outscored Clifford from open play. A first for those tasked with standing beside the Fossa talent? 8

Tiernan Kelly
Will be disappointed with how some of Kerry's first half points came through his central channel. Executed a lifting turnover around the hour mark only for Aiden Nugent to squander possession back to the opposition. Didn't reappear for extra-time. 6

Aidan Forker
Centrally involved, but not always productive. Was harshly done for steps in the eighth minute, a turnover that led to Dara Moynihan putting Kerry 0-4 to 0-2 in front. Five minutes later, he fouled Tony Brosnan for a Clifford converted free. His 25th minute half point attempt/half delivery came to nought.
In fact, it came to end up as a Kerry point. Somewhat redeemed himself with a third quarter brace. Attempt for a third white flag went wide. Subbed off on 60. 6

Niall Grimley
Armagh's most effective opening half performer. Threw over a pair and was fouled off the ball by Joe O'Connor, a free that Turbitt converted. Won a Shane Ryan kick-out break in extra-time, a passage that concluded with Conor Turbitt doubling their advantage. 8

Ben Crealey
Was turned over for a fifth minute Paudie Clifford point. Also kicked a wide. Broke the kick-out for Forker's 43rd minute point. Challenged Shane Ryan for the mistake that led to McCambridge's goal. Benched shortly after. 7

Oisín Conaty
We counted three first half shots from Conaty. One blocked, one skewed out towards the Cusack Stand, and one wide. His race concluded on 49 minutes. 5

Rian O'Neill
Up and down opening half. Was fouled for a 19th minute free that resulted in a Niall Grimley point. Then landed a white flag of his own two minutes later. Against that, he twice had frees given against him, the first for travelling, the second for charging.
The first of those ended with a Seán O'Shea point. His second period went up and up. Two beautiful points, the second from distance on 66 minutes put Armagh in front for the first time. Bested Gavin White, that never easy. 9

Joe McElroy
Not a great deal of involvement. Intercepted a Kerry pass inside his own 20-metre line on 57 minutes. Andrew Murnin's failure to hold onto possession further up the field meant it was not capitalised on. 6

Rory Grugan
Popped up everywhere. Threaded everything. Epitomised by his block on a Paudie Clifford point attempt towards the end of the 70 minutes. So, so busy in the middle third throughout. Won a first-half turnover and kick-out.
That neither produced a score, he was blameless for. Kicked a 44th minute free and provided the assist for Stefan Campbell's levelling score on 65 minutes. Exhausted and empty when removed in the second period of extra-time. 9

Andrew Murnin
Peripheral and anonymous. On two separate occasions in the second period, he turned over the ball. Fortunate to survive as late as the 62nd minute. 5

Conor Turbitt
Armagh's second most influential forward after O'Neill. Kicked a pair of first-half frees, one of which he won himself. Added a third in the second period. The 10 minutes rest he got from the 70th to the 80th minute recharged the batteries to supreme effect.
Doubled their advantage at the end of the first period of extra-time, then landed the insurance score at the end of the second period of extra-time. In between, he came out to midfield to fetch a Blaine Hughes restart. 8


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Stepfan Campbell (8 ) kicked two points and was fouled for a Turbitt free. Two more subs Ross McQuillan (7) and Jarly Óg Burns (7) also wrote their names onto the scoresheet. Burns was a commanding presence around midfield in extra-time, fetching kick-outs and settling their play when in possession.
He nudged them back in front at the start of extra-time. McQuillan too won a Hughes restart. Oisín O'Neill (6), Aidan Nugent (6), and Shane McPartlan (6) all registered wides, two in the case of O'Neill.
Another replacement Jason Duffy (6) turned over Cillian Burke, the dispossession was not rewarded as Oisín O'Neill was off target.

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Quote from: clarshack on July 13, 2024, 08:39:18 PMThe way Donaghy was jumping up and down the sideline surely there's no way they'll accept that in Kerry, only a matter of time before they throw the Tyrone/Nordie label at him. It's probably considered alright for someone from Kerry to go and help another county out but you're not supposed to beat them lol.

Knives out for Jack O'Connor in Kerry already

Usually your lot when you lose as favourite.

Not nice but Jack is fairly ruthless himself. I thought Keane was ousted a bit ungentlemanly, and it did look like Jack was well in the loop beforehand. He likes to justify himself a lot at the expense of others, keeps referring to cynical opponents, a naive Kerry pre 2022 and having brought them on tactically but what has really changed?

2021 they should have been well on top and seen out a game but their forwards misfired, opponent grew in stature, seized the day, they panicked themselves, made some poor mistakes and got ran ragged a bit in ET.

The story of today too. Sauce for the goose and all that.

Well done Armagh. McCambridge goal changed the game for then and only 1 winner thereafter.

All thise annointing Clifford best of all time were a little premature

Quote from: tyroneman on July 13, 2024, 09:52:12 PMWell done Armagh. McCambridge goal changed the game for then and only 1 winner thereafter.

All thise annointing Clifford best of all time were a little premature

David will do well to get 3 All-Irelands.

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Quote from: clarshack on July 13, 2024, 08:33:14 PMArmagh v Donegal for a Tyrone man is like trying to choose between Rangers and England. Galway please do the business 🙏 😂

I get the feeling that if even Antrim or Fermanagh were to be in an AI Final, yous c***ts would support the other team.

As a Tyrone man I would always support a fellow Ulster team, and majority of people I know would as well. Depends what part of the county you are from. I'd imagine the likes of Eglish and Moy would be dreading Armagh winning Sam and the likes of Strabane and Castlederg would be dreading Donegal winning it. I'd imagine us Tyrone ones were hard to listen to when winning it so only fair the favour is returned 😂.

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Quote from: tyroneman on July 13, 2024, 09:52:12 PMWell done Armagh. McCambridge goal changed the game for then and only 1 winner thereafter.

All thise annointing Clifford best of all time were a little premature

David will do well to get 3 All-Irelands.

Will depend a lot on the footballing landscape next few years and what other do but there doesn't look to be another level in this team.

Plus the Dubs haven't gone away you know.

Quote from: tyroneman on July 13, 2024, 09:52:12 PMWell done Armagh. McCambridge goal changed the game for then and only 1 winner thereafter.

All thise annointing Clifford best of all time were a little premature

He is. Teams win All Irelands not players.

Armagh team are well conditioned with solid options off the bench. How many kms would these boys get through in a full 70 at Croker?

Even 6/10 for Clifford is insanely generous

Delighted that I was wrong. Thought Kerry were excellent first half, taking advantage of Armaghs low block by getting quick ball in under no pressure.

Second half Armagh changed tactics and Geezer must get great credit for it. Pressure out the field brought turnovers and allowed Armagh the necessary time to get set.

Yes they rowed their luck. The goal shouldn't have stood but every team needs that in a semi.

Far better side in extra time showing Armaghs greatest strength their strength in depth. The point from McQuillan in particular being one of the finest scores I've seen in Croke park although I doubt the tv will have done justice to his movement in the build up.

All in all a great day, a great game and as I said I've never been happier to be wrong.

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Congratulations to Armagh defeating Kerry! Well done the Orangemen!!

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Quote from: tonto1888 on July 12, 2024, 07:01:33 PMI see Kieran Hughes from Monaghan had said the Armagh players will take a 2 point loss. Sums up monaghans attitude really

It's as bad a bit of analysis as I've ever heard. No wonder Monaghan didn't win any AI semi finals if that is in Kieran Hughes' thinking.

I'm sure he doesn't mean 'take' as in accept it/ be satisfied with it... probably means will take as be on the receiving end if it... ?

If they were a young team with 7 or 8 U21s from last couple of years, sure there is an argument there. But for this particular group, I think this is their defining moment. Can't see too many more bites at the cherry.

I heading to the game and am expecting Armagh to have right go at winning the match. I agree with above and I won't surprised if they do it.

Exciting game and deserved win

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Quote from: tonto1888 on July 12, 2024, 07:01:33 PMI see Kieran Hughes from Monaghan had said the Armagh players will take a 2 point loss. Sums up monaghans attitude really

It's as bad a bit of analysis as I've ever heard. No wonder Monaghan didn't win any AI semi finals if that is in Kieran Hughes' thinking.

I'm sure he doesn't mean 'take' as in accept it/ be satisfied with it... probably means will take as be on the receiving end if it... ?

If they were a young team with 7 or 8 U21s from last couple of years, sure there is an argument there. But for this particular group, I think this is their defining moment. Can't see too many more bites at the cherry.

I heading to the game and am expecting Armagh to have right go at winning the match. I agree with above and I won't surprised if they do it.

Exciting game and deserved win

Brilliant. Hope you enjoyed your day. Very jealous.

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Congratulations to Armagh defeating Kerry! Well done the Orangemen!!

John is an Armagh man of course, I would expect the same from Pengelly who should now be at the final.

Quote from: tyroneman on July 13, 2024, 09:52:12 PMWell done Armagh. McCambridge goal changed the game for then and only 1 winner thereafter.

All thise annointing Clifford best of all time were a little premature

Even the very best have off days, the man is clearly not at the races fitness wise. But, don't be fretting, wee Pet is still the 2nd best priest in the country

Well done Armagh.well deserved  best team won on the day. From a Down man. Fitter and stronger than Kerry.

Thank feck for that

Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 13, 2024, 10:21:13 PMArmagh team are well conditioned with solid options off the bench. How many kms would these boys get through in a full 70 at Croker?

Fitness levels are frightening, but it's the will to keep going with the pedal floored that's seriously impressive. After years of going to games, if you get a front row seat, the speed of the game and ferocity of the tackling never fails to amaze me.

Tell you what, the race for Sam next year going to be wide open with Dublin and Kerry falling back into the pack. Youd easily have 8 teams with genuine ambitions for Sam.

The last time I said I had n words we had just lost a second ulster final on penalties in a row.
I'm saying it again. No words. No words to describe how them boys picked themselves up to get themselves to an AI final. No words to describe the joy at full time. Wow. Just wow.

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 13, 2024, 11:22:30 PMTell you what, the race for Sam next year going to be wide open with Dublin and Kerry falling back into the pack. Youd easily have 8 teams with genuine ambitions for Sam.

It has shades of 2002/2003

Tyrone to win it next year!

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 13, 2024, 11:22:30 PMTell you what, the race for Sam next year going to be wide open with Dublin and Kerry falling back into the pack. Youd easily have 8 teams with genuine ambitions for Sam.

As I said before today, We have entering a decade where All Ireland titles should be shared among a handful of counties. Last ten years Dublin won the All Ireland 7 times, Kerry 2, Tyrone 1.  The next ten years could well be shared out among 4 or 5 counties. 

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Quote from: clarshack on July 13, 2024, 08:39:18 PMThe way Donaghy was jumping up and down the sideline surely there's no way they'll accept that in Kerry, only a matter of time before they throw the Tyrone/Nordie label at him. It's probably considered alright for someone from Kerry to go and help another county out but you're not supposed to beat them lol.

Did kerry not have a tyrone man on board when the won the ai 2 years ago ? They can't have it everyway in the kingdom . Well done to armagh on the win , really enjoyed the match.  Enjoy the build up to the final .

Did the Tyrone man celebrate like Donaghy did today?
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Paddy is quieter man than Donaghy. Definitely won Kerry their last AIs though.

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Quote from: omagh_gael on July 13, 2024, 11:22:30 PMTell you what, the race for Sam next year going to be wide open with Dublin and Kerry falling back into the pack. Youd easily have 8 teams with genuine ambitions for Sam.

As I said before today, We have entering a decade where All Ireland titles should be shared among a handful of counties. Last ten years Dublin won the All Ireland 7 times, Kerry 2, Tyrone 1.  The next ten years could well be shared out among 4 or 5 counties. 

Wow just over 12 percent

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Congratulations to Armagh defeating Kerry! Well done the Orangemen!!

John is an Armagh man of course, I would expect the same from Pengelly who should now be at the final.

No wonder folk can't get an All Ireland ticket , with the likes of her  there

There's some  loving for Armagh coming from  Tyrone.

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Quote from: omagh_gael on July 13, 2024, 11:22:30 PMTell you what, the race for Sam next year going to be wide open with Dublin and Kerry falling back into the pack. Youd easily have 8 teams with genuine ambitions for Sam.

As I said before today, We have entering a decade where All Ireland titles should be shared among a handful of counties. Last ten years Dublin won the All Ireland 7 times, Kerry 2, Tyrone 1.  The next ten years could well be shared out among 4 or 5 counties. 

Wow just over 12 percent

16 counties, it's a little more than 12 percent

Armagh excellent and deserved the win.  An absolute delight to watch that game today.  Armagh don't have a pile of all-star footballers.  But they play with such energy, positive aggression, speed, and direct attacking that lifts them to the top level.

Today was an example to every other county team in Ireland. 

Quote from: AustinPowers on July 14, 2024, 01:23:12 AMThere's some  loving for Armagh coming from  Tyrone.

There was some weight on our shoulders the last 20 years or so being the only county to take Sam into the occupied 6 counties. Great to see Armagh jumping up to the plate and giving us a bit of well deserved time off 😂🤪.

Kerry are fecked
Ryan nearly done
Murphy done
Foley nearly done
Osullivan nearly done
Begley overrated
Morley done
White nearly done
Midfield OK
Brosnan overrated
Clifford overrated
Moynihan nearly done
Clifford needs a massive reboot
OSe overrated
Geaney done
No bench
And probably now no manager

Probably the most idiotic comments ever seen on this forum denigrating Clifford, one of the greatest  and most elegant footballers of all time. Stupidity knows no depths.
Congrats to Armagh and  like Kieran Hughes I thought their goose was cooked in the first half  but there was a confidence in the team that wasn't there last year. Probably even would've won a penalty shoot out had it come to that.
To those who say Armagh were great yet say Kerry were crap, make up your minds, it's not both.

Clifford elegant? The lad had been reduced to fancy fist passes. Totally off the boil all year but sure his name will probably gift him an all star again.

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Congratulations to Armagh defeating Kerry! Well done the Orangemen!!

John is an Armagh man of course, I would expect the same from Pengelly who should now be at the final.

No wonder folk can't get an All Ireland ticket , with the likes of her  there

I heard that one of MLAs had to get a ticket in Laois.

On a refereeing angle, was the Kerry goal not a square ball incident? the Kerry player was already inside the square when the ball was played across to him.

Was it not extremely harsh for that Armagh player to be penalized for over-carrying late in normal time, I counted 4.5 steps. The ref did okay overall  but I thought he was extremely lax on the Kerry 'tackling' technique which other refs have not tolerated.

Just on that - and I hardly ever watch football matches, partly because I reckon there's too many frees given - I watched the last half and hour, and thought the ref. was letting it flow quite well and hardly giving frees at all. Made it quite entertaining! That, and the closeness, obviously!

Quote from: Main Street on July 14, 2024, 02:17:41 AMProbably the most idiotic comments ever seen on this forum denigrating Clifford, one of the greatest  and most elegant footballers of all time. Stupidity knows no depths.
Congrats to Armagh and  like Kieran Hughes I thought their goose was cooked in the first half  but there was a confidence in the team that wasn't there last year. Probably even would've won a penalty shoot out had it come to that.
To those who say Armagh were great yet say Kerry were crap, make up your minds, it's not both.

Totally agree re Clifford. Well done to Armagh though especially for hanging in and getting the lucky break with the clanger from the Kerry keeper. That gave them a lot of belief and they kicked on strongly. Watching it on BBC and just wondering if anyone else thought Eoin Mulligan was drunk?

Quote from: burdizzo on July 14, 2024, 06:53:38 AMJust on that - and I hardly ever watch football matches, partly because I reckon there's too many frees given - I watched the last half and hour, and thought the ref. was letting it flow quite well and hardly giving frees at all. Made it quite entertaining! That, and the closeness, obviously!

I agree with this. Ref was good in general. He blew us up for over carrying and one for charging. They didn't annoy me as such but the lack of consistency on both is what annoyed me. Not that I'm annoyed at all this morning

Could be age, but was very happy for Armagh and especially McGeeney. What they've been put through over the last 4 years, and to keep coming back and knocking at the door until they broke it down, is admirable.

McGeeney has taken some stick but kept at it. There's something about that Armagh side that makes them very watchable. They can play defensively if needed but there's an old fashioned footballer in them all too trying to break out and it does now and again.

I don't think they'll be beaten now. The monkey is off the back.

Enjoy the build up. You just don't know when it will happen again.

Wasn't a dream then??

Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2024, 07:41:37 AMCould be age, but was very happy for Armagh and especially McGeeney. What they've been put through over the last 4 years, and to keep coming back and knocking at the door until they broke it down, is admirable.

McGeeney has taken some stick but kept at it. There's something about that Armagh side that makes them very watchable. They can play defensively if needed but there's an old fashioned footballer in them all too trying to break out and it does now and again.

I don't think they'll be beaten now. The monkey is off the back.

Enjoy the build up. You just don't know when it will happen again.

I've said it the last 3 years.....they're the best team to watch in the Country. Spread of proper forwards with a different one playing well every day. Went to a load of their games because of this....you'd Nugent outstanding v Tyrone in Athletics Grounds 2 yrs ago, his pace, burning McKernan that day was frightening.

Soupy is unbelievable at times (my favourite player to watch, pace and power in person is unbelievable to watch), Murnin, different but a ball winner and goal machine. Conaty a flyer who can go past players with ease and could hit 5 a game, Duffy rapid and unreal on his day, McQuillen rapid, frightening pace and a baller, Grugan an absolute head up baller, player of the year material, Rian a BALLER, leader of men, Jemar Hall (who hasn't got near it) is absolutely rapid and dangerous on his day. And Turbo, Jesus Christ of almighty he is a joy to watch

That's about 10 FORWARDS (scorers) I've named without even thinking, that's the sign of a good team, when the whole country can name their forwards. You couldn't do the same for Derry or Donegal or even Kerry now.

I didn't name McElroy as although he was fantastic running yesterday (bar a silly bandpass to a man with a defender beside him in the first 5 nervous minute) he's a Runner, not a scoring dangerous forward.

That's why I like them, they've scoring forwards. Despite that people have been talking shite about McGeeney, saying they're too defensive, when I think theyve been unbelievably too attacking, to their detriment. They've been a counter attacking team who break at too fast a pace this last 3 years, often shooting within 10 seconds of a turnover, getting too excited and running into traffic or taking on a shot before the shot is even on. A wee bit more chilled and they could've worked scores then and won the big games they've drew so far. But that's why theyre exciting to watch.

They've just been incredibly UNLUCKY. They EASILY couldn't had 2 Ulsters and at least two Semi finals and we'd all be saying they are all Ireland contenders. But as they lost on pens they're bizarrely disregarded.

In saying that when they didn't get that shot off in injury time after holding the ball for 2.5 mins I could've cried for them, thought they'd blown it😁

Nothing is won yet though and if they lose the final the knives will be out again. You'd need to be careful what you wish for as McGeeney has those boys together, no talk of retirements and an unbelievable spirit with some greatgames and memories. I'd keep it going for as many years as I could

On the ref I thought he was harsh on Armagh. At one stage Clifford was fouled as he caught a mark. Ref brought in a difficult kick diagonally by 20 metres for a tap over score as apparently he was fouled after the mark. I've never seen this before and it was brushed over. It was all in the 1 move. He blew Armagh 2 or 3 times for over carrying on the 4th step. In late extra time Soupy was 2 handed pushed in the back.....he gave a hop ball that couldn't drawn or won the game for Kerry

In saying that he did spot two frees inside for Armagh where the Kerry man had a hold.of the jersey inside. But v v sore on Armagh.

McCambridge the right man for Clifford who as some said has defo been annointed too quickly..... but he is obviously class on his day on a not so class Kerry team. Paudie is head up, game as a fox and an absolute baller and was their best player yesterday.

For all the Derry praise in recent times Armagh must have thought if we get the act/injuries together they have better players. They have still a couple missing. Good luck

Delighted for the players who have taken more than their share of disappointment in the last three years! Also pleased for management and particularly McGeeney who has taken dogs' abuse going right back to the Cavan experiment with Paul Courtney in goals. Wasn't it last year that some genius put a "McGeeney Out" sign up near his parents house?

A lot of people will be dining on humble pie when they go looking their tickets, particularly those that "wouldn't watch another game as long as he is in charge".

Finally, the supporters yesterday were like a 16th man. Given that the stadium was only three quarters full the atmosphere was electric and the intensity of the game meant that for once the pundits have nothing to complain about.

Well done to our near neighbours - wouldn't support you too often but I did yesterday given the opposition. Had a feeling all week they would give a good account of themselves, it's a long time from Armagh were well beaten.

Enjoy the next 2 weeks, it's absolutely wide open now.

Agree on the sentiments on Armagh being an enjoyable team to watch, there is no doubt in this. They hang in there with everyone, some great entertainment over the last few years. Fair play to the whole set up and McGeeney after some of those defeats.

Any championship that Kerry and Dublin are not on the stage on the biggest day is unreal for the neutral. Some hard days for Armagh supporters the last 15 years so listen, well deserved.

I still have a sneaky feeling for Galway but I'm sure Jimmy will have something up his sleeve today, all to play for.

Quote from: Main Street on July 14, 2024, 02:28:31 AMOn a refereeing angle, was the Kerry goal not a square ball incident? the Kerry player was already inside the square when the ball was played across to him.

Was it not extremely harsh for that Armagh player to be penalized for over-carrying late in normal time, I counted 4.5 steps. The ref did okay overall  but I thought he was extremely lax on the Kerry 'tackling' technique which other refs have not tolerated.

I thought he gave some strange decisions and more didn't give a lot of decisions he could have. The square ball was the correct decision I felt for the reasons outlined above. If anything I think the Armagh goal was more controversial as Crealey clearly threw his defender to the ground before challenging the keeper resulting in the spill.

Great performance by Armagh and a lot of men stood up yesterday and came of age. McCambridge who has been great all season changed the course of the game with that goal and his performance on Clifford. Rian showed great leadership throughout and Soupy again produced some magic from the bench.

Once we realised that Kerry aren't that great, we were much the better side from mid way through the second half. This side have showed some character to keep coming back and I hope we can take the final step now in 2 weeks time.

Congratulations to armagh on a fantastic performance.  Very similar to Tyrone a few years back.

I don't buy into armagh not having any luck when you look at the provincial draws they've got in recent years. 

On yesterday's game I thought Grimley was very good at midfield but haven't heard him mentioned at all? The armagh keeper as well, didn't put a foot wrong all day.  Was he injured last year or has he just appeared this year?

A man who I don't think gets enough credit I'd Blaine Hughes who has been excellent all year. Obviously a very different type of player to Ethan and doesn't offer as much in an attacking sense but his distribution, shot stopping and calmness under the high ball have been excellent all year. Even yesterday when Kerry were really pushed up he was able to lead Armagh players into space in the way you would see a QB do in the NFL. Must be a real contender for an All Star this year and for me a big contributor to Armagh's slight improvement this season.

Quote from: An Watcher on July 14, 2024, 10:41:37 AMCongratulations to armagh on a fantastic performance.  Very similar to Tyrone a few years back.

I don't buy into armagh not having any luck when you look at the provincial draws they've got in recent years. 

On yesterday's game I thought Grimley was very good at midfield but haven't heard him mentioned at all? The armagh keeper as well, didn't put a foot wrong all day.  Was he injured last year or has he just appeared this year?

Our posts crossed there. He had opted off the panel following Ethan's emergence and given his personal commitments but was persuaded to come back this year and has been very good

Blaine Hughes was there in 2020 when Armagh folks here were moaning that they had the worst 1 to 4 in the Country🙄

I would agree on hughes. Last year when Kerry put the squeeze on Derry's kick outs they had no answer and the same for Dublin against Monaghan. Yesterday hughes had an answer to that (yes so did outfield players but he had to go long and find them).

Agreed on grimley too. Maybe kept Armagh in it a bit in the first half.

Quote from: David McKeown on July 14, 2024, 10:45:50 AMA man who I don't think gets enough credit I'd Blaine Hughes who has been excellent all year. Obviously a very different type of player to Ethan and doesn't offer as much in an attacking sense but his distribution, shot stopping and calmness under the high ball have been excellent all year. Even yesterday when Kerry were really pushed up he was able to lead Armagh players into space in the way you would see a QB do in the NFL. Must be a real contender for an All Star this year and for me a big contributor to Armagh's slight improvement this season.

Blaine, Aaron, Rian, Barry, Turbo all definite all stars for me.

Well done Armagh. Full of heart.

Thought Burns was brilliant when he came on yesterday.. Nugent deservedly hooked despite being brought on as a sub, wasn't up to the pace of the game from he came on

It was brilliant being there as a neutral and to see the actual joy in Croke Park. Like eff Kerry, they've won enough and their fans were outnumbered massively.

All the dirty ball won by Armagh too. The worry I had was that Armagh had a lot of big scores and still weren't pulling away, so I thought Kerry would come back at it.

In extra time I looked down and the size of Armagh in the middle third with men who can all move was serious. It really allowed them to push up. Burns looked great coming on and Rian O'Neill was awesome all day in fairness.

Great craic in and around the city afterwards too and Kerry fans seemed to accept time is up.

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Quote from: David McKeown on July 14, 2024, 10:45:50 AMA man who I don't think gets enough credit I'd Blaine Hughes who has been excellent all year. Obviously a very different type of player to Ethan and doesn't offer as much in an attacking sense but his distribution, shot stopping and calmness under the high ball have been excellent all year. Even yesterday when Kerry were really pushed up he was able to lead Armagh players into space in the way you would see a QB do in the NFL. Must be a real contender for an All Star this year and for me a big contributor to Armagh's slight improvement this season.

Blaine, Aaron, Rian, Barry, Turbo all definite all stars for me.

I still think Rory Grugan is Armaghs most important player but probably not in the all star conversation. Not sure that Aaron or Rían are definite all stars. Think both have been a little inconsistent this year to be considered shoo ins. Was reading yesterday before the game that nearly all Turbo's scores from play this year have come since the Ulster final. Not a bad time to come into form.

Grugan was amazing linking up and even controlling the pace of the game at times. He covered some anount of ground. Kinda stuff you don't see on TV, selfless runs and making space, etc.

Rian came up with a couple of massive plays at both ends of the field late in the game. A good final performance and that is what gets All Stars. Turbitt has been outstanding and is nailed on.

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Quote from: David McKeown on July 14, 2024, 10:45:50 AMA man who I don't think gets enough credit I'd Blaine Hughes who has been excellent all year. Obviously a very different type of player to Ethan and doesn't offer as much in an attacking sense but his distribution, shot stopping and calmness under the high ball have been excellent all year. Even yesterday when Kerry were really pushed up he was able to lead Armagh players into space in the way you would see a QB do in the NFL. Must be a real contender for an All Star this year and for me a big contributor to Armagh's slight improvement this season.

Blaine, Aaron, Rian, Barry, Turbo all definite all stars for me.

I still think Rory Grugan is Armaghs most important player but probably not in the all star conversation. Not sure that Aaron or Rían are definite all stars. Think both have been a little inconsistent this year to be considered shoo ins. Was reading yesterday before the game that nearly all Turbo's scores from play this year have come since the Ulster final. Not a bad time to come into form.

Yeah Grugan is like a conductor, great player. Funny I think Aaron has been so consistent and underrated for a long time, rewatching bbc earlier and McConville said the same. Rian was super yesterday and against Galway and Derry so he's every chance.

Didn't expect Armagh to win yesterday, thought Kerry would shade it but fairplay to Armagh. They played with serious heart throughout.

Kerry looked ragged after the Armagh goal and didn't really have the answers. Thought it interesting that in the 2nd half of normal time (I think) Kerry turned down 2 marks. Both of them were difficult enough chances but you'd have expected Clifford and Sean O'Shea to get them. Both had maybe kept playing before they realised it could be called.

What a day, and one that KMcG and his troops deserved big time.  It was all about getting over the line any which way they could, and they thankfully did so in some style.  After the Barry goal, it was Armagh's to lose, was a noticeable change of atmosphere in the stadium, and we did have a 16th man there yesterday.

When leaving the Ulster Final after our latest penalty loss, I'd a couple of distinct feelings ... foremostly that all of these heartbreak loses had the potential to galvanise this team into something greater ... and that was evident yesterday.  Also had a feeling then that we would be meeting Donegal again later in the championship, let's see how it goes today.

For now, it feels damn good to be back in an All Ireland Final .... take a bow Geezer and co.!

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Quote from: David McKeown on July 14, 2024, 10:45:50 AMA man who I don't think gets enough credit I'd Blaine Hughes who has been excellent all year. Obviously a very different type of player to Ethan and doesn't offer as much in an attacking sense but his distribution, shot stopping and calmness under the high ball have been excellent all year. Even yesterday when Kerry were really pushed up he was able to lead Armagh players into space in the way you would see a QB do in the NFL. Must be a real contender for an All Star this year and for me a big contributor to Armagh's slight improvement this season.

Blaine, Aaron, Rian, Barry, Turbo all definite all stars for me.

I still think Rory Grugan is Armaghs most important player but probably not in the all star conversation. Not sure that Aaron or Rían are definite all stars. Think both have been a little inconsistent this year to be considered shoo ins. Was reading yesterday before the game that nearly all Turbo's scores from play this year have come since the Ulster final. Not a bad time to come into form.

Yeah Grugan is like a conductor, great player. Funny I think Aaron has been so consistent and underrated for a long time, rewatching bbc earlier and McConville said the same. Rian was super yesterday and against Galway and Derry so he's every chance.

Not saying the won't win them or that they don't deserve them. I'm just not sure they are nailed on yet. Good final performances will likely take them mind

Quote from: David McKeown on July 14, 2024, 10:45:50 AMA man who I don't think gets enough credit I'd Blaine Hughes who has been excellent all year. Obviously a very different type of player to Ethan and doesn't offer as much in an attacking sense but his distribution, shot stopping and calmness under the high ball have been excellent all year. Even yesterday when Kerry were really pushed up he was able to lead Armagh players into space in the way you would see a QB do in the NFL. Must be a real contender for an All Star this year and for me a big contributor to Armagh's slight improvement this season.

Have to agree. He's been superb

Been saying it a long time that we're a match for any team in the country on our day. Absolutely unreal to get over the line against a big team, fitness levels are unreal. Hats off to all involved. Won't fear Donegal or Galway but obviously nothing between the 3 teams left as seen by our recent history with both

I thought you were wrong tbh. Happy enough to be wrong on that and hope you go on and win it.

I just didn't think you had it in you to beat Kerry especially after the first half. You were great though and fully deserved it.

Very hard to call this second semi now. Think it is much of a muchness for Armagh who they play.

Quote from: imtommygunn on July 14, 2024, 10:48:50 AMI would agree on hughes. Last year when Kerry put the squeeze on Derry's kick outs they had no answer and the same for Dublin against Monaghan. Yesterday hughes had an answer to that (yes so did outfield players but he had to go long and find them).

Agreed on grimley too. Maybe kept Armagh in it a bit in the first half.

Grimley was absolutely outstanding, I thought.

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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 14, 2024, 10:48:50 AMI would agree on hughes. Last year when Kerry put the squeeze on Derry's kick outs they had no answer and the same for Dublin against Monaghan. Yesterday hughes had an answer to that (yes so did outfield players but he had to go long and find them).

Agreed on grimley too. Maybe kept Armagh in it a bit in the first half.

Grimley was absolutely outstanding, I thought.

Unreal. What that lads been through with injury and personal tragedy it's an absolute credit to him. Delighted for him

Quote from: imtommygunn on July 14, 2024, 12:32:36 PMI thought you were wrong tbh. Happy enough to be wrong on that and hope you go on and win it.

I just didn't think you had it in you to beat Kerry especially after the first half. You were great though and fully deserved it.

Very hard to call this second semi now. Think it is much of a muchness for Armagh who they play.

Aw the relief is unreal. Finally got that rub of the green, was slightly worried after they got their goal but hats off to the lads and management I am delighted for them.

Think today is too close to call and obviously theres nothing between us and either of them as seen.

What a team performance from Armagh. It was just pure hard work that won it. Delighted for the players and management, they deserve it.

I actually don't think on the whole that it was a vintage performance, there were even a few players who dare I say had a bit of a stinker, but as a team it was exceptional and semifinals are just about winning.

Kerry looked out on their feet in ET whereas Armagh still looked fairly fresh, some excellent substitutions which contributed to getting them over the line. The Armagh defensive set up remained solid in the second half and ET, reducing a fatiguing Kerry to pot shots.

I think Gough was just ok: he did spot a couple of jersey pulls inside which gifted Armagh easy frees but was still very harsh on over-carrying, especially when the player in possession was being fouled.

There were a few standout contenders for MOTM, Turbo I thought was excellent, Grimley in the middle put in some shift, Hughes in goals assured throughout, McCambridge kept Clifford under wraps, Rian O'Neill a couple of exceptional plays including a wonder score, Soupy the clutch player.

Looking forward to the other semi final this afternoon and the build up to the final!

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Quote from: imtommygunn on July 14, 2024, 10:48:50 AMI would agree on hughes. Last year when Kerry put the squeeze on Derry's kick outs they had no answer and the same for Dublin against Monaghan. Yesterday hughes had an answer to that (yes so did outfield players but he had to go long and find them).

Agreed on grimley too. Maybe kept Armagh in it a bit in the first half.

Grimley was absolutely outstanding, I thought.

Unreal. What that lads been through with injury and personal tragedy it's an absolute credit to him. Delighted for him

100% agree

Is Julie Davis Armagh Strength and Conditioning coach or Physio.


McGeeney was giving her high praise after the game.

Read an article to say she's not from a traditional GAA back. She seems to be highly regarded though.

Having seen both teams first hand this year, I though Armagh could pip them if they could keep it close.
When they went 5 behind and the way kerry started the 2nd half I thought there was only one winner.

But Armagh fitness really told and ultimately won the game. Kerry struggle with the massed defence, and Armagh got it right at the back.

Fair play, deserved winners.
Now that they've got that monkey off the back of being able to win a close game in extra time, nothing to stop them going all the way.

Different pressure now.

Good owl debate on rte there. Them Kerry ones really don't like getting beat.

No matter who wins in 2 weeks time, there'll be 8 teams next year with a genuine chance of making a final and I don't think there is very much at all between any team in division 1.

Hopefully todays match is as good a watch as yesterdays, we have unfinished business against both.

Why were Armagh playing in black?

Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on July 14, 2024, 02:41:14 PMIs Julie Davis Armagh Strength and Conditioning coach or Physio.


McGeeney was giving her high praise after the game.

Read an article to say she's not from a traditional GAA back. She seems to be highly regarded though.

Davis is S&C, and has obviously done a cracking job, at least compared to Kerry. McGeeney's wife, a Kerry woman, is a physio and is around as well.

Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 14, 2024, 05:54:00 PMWhy were Armagh playing in black?

They fell they play better in it according to RTE yesterday

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Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 14, 2024, 05:54:00 PMWhy were Armagh playing in black?

They fell they play better in it according to RTE yesterday

You know how paper wont refuse ink.
Rte pundits wont refuse bull.

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Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 14, 2024, 05:54:00 PMWhy were Armagh playing in black?

They fell they play better in it according to RTE yesterday

You know how paper wont refuse ink.
Rte pundits wont refuse bull.

Paddy heaney reckoned it's an All Black thing - joke with a jag presumably. All the penalty losses have been in orange so it quite possibly is a psychological thing but as I mentioned in the AIF thread what will happen v Galway in the final as Orange v Maroon was a bit of a clash and black v maroon would likely be worse.

It got very cloudy & dark in extra time, it was hard enough to make out players. The floodlights would've helped!

Galway away strip white is it?

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Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 14, 2024, 05:54:00 PMWhy were Armagh playing in black?

They fell they play better in it according to RTE yesterday

You know how paper wont refuse ink.
Rte pundits wont refuse bull.

Paddy heaney reckoned it's an All Black thing - joke with a jag presumably. All the penalty losses have been in orange so it quite possibly is a psychological thing but as I mentioned in the AIF thread what will happen v Galway in the final as Orange v Maroon was a bit of a clash and black v maroon would likely be worse.

What is Galway's change strip?

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Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 14, 2024, 05:54:00 PMWhy were Armagh playing in black?

They fell they play better in it according to RTE yesterday

You know how paper wont refuse ink.
Rte pundits wont refuse bull.

Paddy heaney reckoned it's an All Black thing - joke with a jag presumably. All the penalty losses have been in orange so it quite possibly is a psychological thing but as I mentioned in the AIF thread what will happen v Galway in the final as Orange v Maroon was a bit of a clash and black v maroon would likely be worse.

What is Galway's change strip?

White.

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Quote from: David McKeown on July 14, 2024, 10:45:50 AMA man who I don't think gets enough credit I'd Blaine Hughes who has been excellent all year. Obviously a very different type of player to Ethan and doesn't offer as much in an attacking sense but his distribution, shot stopping and calmness under the high ball have been excellent all year. Even yesterday when Kerry were really pushed up he was able to lead Armagh players into space in the way you would see a QB do in the NFL. Must be a real contender for an All Star this year and for me a big contributor to Armagh's slight improvement this season.

Blaine, Aaron, Rian, Barry, Turbo all definite all stars for me.

I still think Rory Grugan is Armaghs most important player but probably not in the all star conversation. Not sure that Aaron or Rían are definite all stars. Think both have been a little inconsistent this year to be considered shoo ins. Was reading yesterday before the game that nearly all Turbo's scores from play this year have come since the Ulster final. Not a bad time to come into form.

I genuinely think he's POTY material this year, never mind Allstar. He's different class

Whilst Rian make a great goal-mouth catch in the dying minutes of extra time, a Kerry player knocked the ball out of his hands and Blaine made a great save. Thank heavens for Blaine!

Quote from: Orior on July 16, 2024, 03:20:56 PMWhilst Rian make a great goal-mouth catch in the dying minutes of extra time, a Kerry player knocked the ball out of his hands and Blaine made a great save. Thank heavens for Blaine!

No idea how he ended up with thag ball in his hands but thank god he did.

Latest possible blow for Kerry from the Irish Examiner


AFL outfit Geelong believe they are in the box seat to sign rising Kerry starlet Cillian Burke.
Efforts are underway at Board executive level in the Kingdom to convince the Milltown-Castlemaine youngster to stay put following an excellent debut season with Jack O'Connor's senior squad.
However, people close to the situation fear it is an uphill battle and that the powerful young attacker is set to give the AFL professional path a go.
"There is nothing signed," a source close the situation stated.
The indication from Jack O'Connor that his management team intends to remain in charge for 2025 may be a help in convincing the young forward to stay put.
Burke isn't the only possible departure from Kerry's stock of nascent talent. At least two Aussie Rules clubs have been looking at Kerins O'Rahilly's youngster Tomas Kennedy, and Dr Crokes' Charlie Keating, both of whom were part of Tomás Ó Sé's Kerry Under 20 side that were beaten in the All-Ireland final.
Kennedy is a big, rangy midfielder or wing forward with serious aerial potential, while Keating has already been drafted into the senior set-up with Kerry after an impressive campaign from wing back with the Under 20's – his athleticism and serious pace a feature.
Losing Burke to Australia would be a significant blow, though, to O'Connor's Kerry. He produced a stellar cameo in the quarter-final against Derry and again was one of the big performers as the Kingdom wilted down the stretch in Saturday's All-Ireland semi-final defeat to Armagh.

Quote from: Orior on July 16, 2024, 03:20:56 PMWhilst Rian make a great goal-mouth catch in the dying minutes of extra time, a Kerry player knocked the ball out of his hands and Blaine made a great save. Thank heavens for Blaine!

Can't say enough about Blaine this year.Walked away a few years ago as wasn't getting much ganetime and has improved significantly under high ball and with his kickouts when under pressure.Morgan might be the best keeper in country but due to how early Tyrone exited the competition he shouldn't really be in recognition for all star.

Highly likely too he wouldn't have got a game this year either if Rafferty hadn't got that serious injury last year.

Have been a quiet boy since Sunday. A lot of soul searching to do in the Kingdom safe to say.

Fair play to Armagh though, even though I was sickened we lost I'm glad they are in the final. Geezer is a top man and deserves a bit of luck.

As for his opposite number and his geniuses with him, I wouldn't be as generous is all I'd say.

Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on July 16, 2024, 09:44:31 PMHave been a quiet boy since Sunday. A lot of soul searching to do in the Kingdom safe to say.

Fair play to Armagh though, even though I was sickened we lost I'm glad they are in the final. Geezer is a top man and deserves a bit of luck.

As for his opposite number and his geniuses with him, I wouldn't be as generous is all I'd say.

Fair play and cheers for that, Kerry fans in front of us shook hands and wished us the best.


What do you think O'Connor did wrong? Individual errors moreso than tactics probably let yous down, thought yous set up well and played some nice stuff all day.

Don't think a manager can legislate for a team messing up 2 goal chances and a keeper gifting us one. We got the rub of the green for once and you's didn't. Also not management fault that intercounty forwards are missing very very kickable scores.

2 things you probably could pin on management teams. 1 was the conditioning of players. Clifford was cramping up before 70 minutes and looked wrecked in injury time. Compare that to the man he was marking McCambridge and our marquee forward Turbo after 90 mins of football those 2 were sprinting up the field like 2 duracell bunnies for that last score. Clifford wasn't the only man that was gassed either. 

The other thing that management have to take some blame for is the stength in depth. Armagh have had little to no underage, schools and club success for years and I'd say our playing population is a fraction of Kerrys, but McGeeney has built a panel of what would be close to 40 lads who could all come in with not that much of a drop off, certainly anyone in that 26 is as good or better than the starting 15 and thats with 3 starting defenders out injured.

 The best forward in the senior championship the last few years Cian McConville can't even make a 26 at the minute which shows the competitiveness. That credit absolutely has to go to Geezer and his team for getting those lads committed to the cause. Kerry obviously had decent forwards on the bench to come in but not to the level we did.

That's actually going to be a leveller in the final as Galway have a super squad as well and look well conditioned.

That's just my thoughts as an outsider looking in at Kerry, can be easy to blame management at times but sometimes the buck has to stop with players, at the end of the day he won an AI 2 years ago, was a kick of the ball away last year and this year a kick of the ball from a final.  Be interested to hear your thoughts and again thanks for the well wishes. Hope to meet yous next year in Croker for another battle!