Quarter-Finals
29-30.06.2024 (Sat/Sun)
The four first-place teams from Round 1 (Group Stage) shall be drawn to play against the four Preliminary Quarter-Finals winners, subject in the first instance to the avoidance of repeat Provincial Final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round 1 (Group Stage)
Let me repost this
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Armagh and Donegal praying for a Louth win! ;D
Quote from: J70 on June 22, 2024, 09:09:02 PMArmagh and Donegal praying for a Louth win! ;D
After extra time and a red card....
Is the Semi Final an open draw?
Can we join now?
Think as a seeded team, Galway are still the team to avoid followed by Derry but think all 4 seeded teams should make the semi imo
Quote from: pbat on June 22, 2024, 09:48:39 PMIs the Semi Final an open draw?
No, it attempts to avoid the repeat of any previous game. This might be impossible, for instance in the unikely event that Armagh, Donegal and Derry all win their QFs then they have played each other, or if Louth Dublin and Kerry all qualify then they have played each other. The draw will determine, but you could have two of Donegal/Derry/Armagh getting through, and then the avoidance of a previous game would mean Dublin and Kerry in separate semis and the usual "dream" final. In effect, this would mean that Ulster teams were less likely to reach the final because there was more than one good one.
Semi-Finals
13-14.07.2024 (Sat/Sun)
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a draw, subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 22, 2024, 10:59:15 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on June 22, 2024, 10:45:00 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 22, 2024, 09:57:28 PMCan we join now?
For the week or so anyway.
Will take that.
The big guns all hoping they draw us.
They won't really care. If there had been no extra time they might have feared ye. But Extra time has leveled ye up with the rest of the late-comers.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 22, 2024, 10:59:15 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on June 22, 2024, 10:45:00 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 22, 2024, 09:57:28 PMCan we join now?
For the week or so anyway.
Will take that.
The big guns all hoping they draw us.
As opposed to Roscommon or Louth/Cork?
I'm sure I speak for all Donegal people when I say we have zero desire to meet Derry next week!
Quote from: J70 on June 22, 2024, 11:23:19 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 22, 2024, 10:59:15 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on June 22, 2024, 10:45:00 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 22, 2024, 09:57:28 PMCan we join now?
For the week or so anyway.
Will take that.
The big guns all hoping they draw us.
As opposed to Roscommon or Louth/Cork?
I'm sure I speak for all Donegal people when I say we have zero desire to meet Derry next week!
Derry v Donegal & Dubs v Galway double header please!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 22, 2024, 11:25:28 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2024, 11:23:19 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 22, 2024, 10:59:15 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on June 22, 2024, 10:45:00 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 22, 2024, 09:57:28 PMCan we join now?
For the week or so anyway.
Will take that.
The big guns all hoping they draw us.
As opposed to Roscommon or Louth/Cork?
I'm sure I speak for all Donegal people when I say we have zero desire to meet Derry next week!
Derry v Donegal & Dubs v Galway double header please!
;D
I really don't think Donegal would want Derry.
Some motivation for Derry to get Donegal - right some wrongs so to speak.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 22, 2024, 10:27:34 PMSemi-Finals
13-14.07.2024 (Sat/Sun)
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a draw, subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible.
The value bet might be each way on Louth, i.e. to reach the AI final. They are only 2/1 against Cork and they cannot be drawn against Kerry or Dublin in the QFs or in the semi final (unless other results make it impossible) so they are priced at something like 6/1 against teams like Armagh or Donegal.
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 22, 2024, 11:56:35 PMQuote from: Walter Cronc on June 22, 2024, 11:25:28 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2024, 11:23:19 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 22, 2024, 10:59:15 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on June 22, 2024, 10:45:00 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 22, 2024, 09:57:28 PMCan we join now?
For the week or so anyway.
Will take that.
The big guns all hoping they draw us.
As opposed to Roscommon or Louth/Cork?
I'm sure I speak for all Donegal people when I say we have zero desire to meet Derry next week!
Derry v Donegal & Dubs v Galway double header please!
;D
I really don't think Donegal would want Derry.
Some motivation for Derry to get Donegal - right some wrongs so to speak.
Notwithstanding the poor show Tyrone put up in Ballybofey last month, it's a very tough ask to beat the same team twice in championship. Donegal were a ravenous team with nothing to lose in Celtic Park. And there's obviously zero chance Derry will play those kamikaze tactics using Lynch again.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 22, 2024, 11:58:22 PMQuote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 22, 2024, 10:27:34 PMSemi-Finals
13-14.07.2024 (Sat/Sun)
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a draw, subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible.
The value bet might be each way on Louth, i.e. to reach the AI final. They are only 2/1 against Cork and they cannot be drawn against Kerry or Dublin in the QFs or in the semi final (unless other results make it impossible) so they are priced at something like 6/1 against teams like Armagh or Donegal.
Louth won't be making an all Ireland final.
Quote from: J70 on June 23, 2024, 12:16:09 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on June 22, 2024, 11:56:35 PMQuote from: Walter Cronc on June 22, 2024, 11:25:28 PMQuote from: J70 on June 22, 2024, 11:23:19 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 22, 2024, 10:59:15 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on June 22, 2024, 10:45:00 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 22, 2024, 09:57:28 PMCan we join now?
For the week or so anyway.
Will take that.
The big guns all hoping they draw us.
As opposed to Roscommon or Louth/Cork?
I'm sure I speak for all Donegal people when I say we have zero desire to meet Derry next week!
Derry v Donegal & Dubs v Galway double header please!
;D
I really don't think Donegal would want Derry.
Some motivation for Derry to get Donegal - right some wrongs so to speak.
Notwithstanding the poor show Tyrone put up in Ballybofey last month, it's a very tough ask to beat the same team twice in championship. Donegal were a ravenous team with nothing to lose in Celtic Park. And there's obviously zero chance Derry will play those kamikaze tactics using Lynch again.
Hard to gauge, Lynch spent plenty of time in the MF area but Mayo were so tactically inept, they themselves slowed down so many attacks letting Derry back to set up it was criminal. Speed kills when attacking.
Donegal will tank Derry again if they meet. McGuinness is far too shrewd for Harte.
From a Dubs viewpoint, Cork would be the easiest draw we could get on paper.
Comer is the man I fear most. It was great to see him back yesterday, but only saw highlights so not sure how he was moving. A fully fit Comer can destroy our full back line. Of course Walsh going off injured not good. They can never seem to get the full complement of their best players fully fit at the same time.
The extra week is a deserved advantage obtained by the group toppers, but is no guarantee of success.
Quote from: Hound on June 23, 2024, 10:37:47 AMFrom a Dubs viewpoint, Cork would be the easiest draw we could get on paper.
Comer is the man I fear most. It was great to see him back yesterday, but only saw highlights so not sure how he was moving. A fully fit Comer can destroy our full back line. Of course Walsh going off injured not good. They can never seem to get the full complement of their best players fully fit at the same time.
The extra week is a deserved advantage obtained by the group toppers, but is no guarantee of success.
Seems as if the preliminary quarters will be done away with next year so the extra week won't be a factor anymore.
If we draw Donegal we have a chance - if we draw Kerry or Dublin we have no chance.
That's the way I see it.
Quote from: galwayman on June 23, 2024, 10:49:39 AMQuote from: Hound on June 23, 2024, 10:37:47 AMFrom a Dubs viewpoint, Cork would be the easiest draw we could get on paper.
Comer is the man I fear most. It was great to see him back yesterday, but only saw highlights so not sure how he was moving. A fully fit Comer can destroy our full back line. Of course Walsh going off injured not good. They can never seem to get the full complement of their best players fully fit at the same time.
The extra week is a deserved advantage obtained by the group toppers, but is no guarantee of success.
Seems as if the preliminary quarters will be done away with next year so the extra week won't be a factor anymore.
If we draw Donegal we have a chance - if we draw Kerry or Dublin we have no chance.
That's the way I see it.
I think there's an uncertainty about how good Kerry are. But even if they are really good, I think they'll be vulnerable in the quarters as they've coasted to here, and if they get Galway or Derry, they'll have to switch it on big time.
Dubs haven't reached the intensity of last year. This is similar to 2012, 2014 and 2020. It's very difficult to defend when you have reached the target the previous year and need to start from scratch again. From 2015 the aim wasn't to win 1 AI, it was to win 2 in a row, and when that was achieved it was immediately switched to 5 in a row. Levels naturally dropped when that was achieved. We should not have won in 2020 but the way that season worked out we didn't face anyone good enough to beat us even playing in 2nd/3rd gear.
Last year was a really massive effort and the goal was achieved. Intensity levels have, naturally, been down a bit this year. I felt we would need to suffer a sore loss to get it back and come through that way. Now maybe the Mayo draw when we could/should have lost will get us back to that level, it should certainly bring us on somewhat. But we are definitely not unbeatable for a Galway, Derry, Armagh, Donegal (as we pretty much were for those teams during the 5 in a row period) if they can produce a very good performance.
Why can't the draw be done this evening or tonight seeing as it's only a week to the Quarters?
Then they wonder why attendances are down!
Quote from: Hound on June 23, 2024, 11:16:45 AMQuote from: galwayman on June 23, 2024, 10:49:39 AMQuote from: Hound on June 23, 2024, 10:37:47 AMFrom a Dubs viewpoint, Cork would be the easiest draw we could get on paper.
Comer is the man I fear most. It was great to see him back yesterday, but only saw highlights so not sure how he was moving. A fully fit Comer can destroy our full back line. Of course Walsh going off injured not good. They can never seem to get the full complement of their best players fully fit at the same time.
The extra week is a deserved advantage obtained by the group toppers, but is no guarantee of success.
Seems as if the preliminary quarters will be done away with next year so the extra week won't be a factor anymore.
If we draw Donegal we have a chance - if we draw Kerry or Dublin we have no chance.
That's the way I see it.
I think there's an uncertainty about how good Kerry are. But even if they are really good, I think they'll be vulnerable in the quarters as they've coasted to here, and if they get Galway or Derry, they'll have to switch it on big time.
Dubs haven't reached the intensity of last year. This is similar to 2012, 2014 and 2020. It's very difficult to defend when you have reached the target the previous year and need to start from scratch again. From 2015 the aim wasn't to win 1 AI, it was to win 2 in a row, and when that was achieved it was immediately switched to 5 in a row. Levels naturally dropped when that was achieved. We should not have won in 2020 but the way that season worked out we didn't face anyone good enough to beat us even playing in 2nd/3rd gear.
Last year was a really massive effort and the goal was achieved. Intensity levels have, naturally, been down a bit this year. I felt we would need to suffer a sore loss to get it back and come through that way. Now maybe the Mayo draw when we could/should have lost will get us back to that level, it should certainly bring us on somewhat. But we are definitely not unbeatable for a Galway, Derry, Armagh, Donegal (as we pretty much were for those teams during the 5 in a row period) if they can produce a very good performance.
Long long time from we played Dublin in championship, would be a free hit if we did meet as we'd obviously be written off.
Dublin or Kerry will beat Derry out the gate. Galway with a full team have a good chance against any but given the turnaround and injuries they'll struggle.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2024, 11:36:05 AMWhy can't the draw be done this evening or tonight seeing as it's only a week to the Quarters?
Then they wonder why attendances are down!
Yes, the media would have the analysis for the Monday morning papers, podcasts, etc. The hype needs to start straight away.
I presume it's RTE's way of making you tune into Radio 1 in the morning and hoping you don't change the dial for the rest of the day.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 23, 2024, 12:07:08 PMQuote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2024, 11:36:05 AMWhy can't the draw be done this evening or tonight seeing as it's only a week to the Quarters?
Then they wonder why attendances are down!
Yes, the media would have the analysis for the Monday morning papers, podcasts, etc. The hype needs to start straight away.
I presume it's RTE's way of making you tune into Radio 1 in the morning and hoping you don't change the dial for the rest of the day.
It's mad that they even do the draws on the radio
It's like having a bonfire or fireworks display on the radio
Two minutes would do the thing on the Sunday Game
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 23, 2024, 12:13:39 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on June 23, 2024, 12:07:08 PMQuote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2024, 11:36:05 AMWhy can't the draw be done this evening or tonight seeing as it's only a week to the Quarters?
Then they wonder why attendances are down!
Yes, the media would have the analysis for the Monday morning papers, podcasts, etc. The hype needs to start straight away.
I presume it's RTE's way of making you tune into Radio 1 in the morning and hoping you don't change the dial for the rest of the day.
It's mad that they even do the draws on the radio
It's like having a bonfire or fireworks display on the radio
Two minutes would do the thing on the Sunday Game
They could do it after the 6pm news on TV or during the evening Sunday Game, which would have a GAA audience.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 23, 2024, 12:25:35 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 23, 2024, 12:13:39 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on June 23, 2024, 12:07:08 PMQuote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2024, 11:36:05 AMWhy can't the draw be done this evening or tonight seeing as it's only a week to the Quarters?
Then they wonder why attendances are down!
Yes, the media would have the analysis for the Monday morning papers, podcasts, etc. The hype needs to start straight away.
I presume it's RTE's way of making you tune into Radio 1 in the morning and hoping you don't change the dial for the rest of the day.
It's mad that they even do the draws on the radio
It's like having a bonfire or fireworks display on the radio
Two minutes would do the thing on the Sunday Game
They could do it after the 6pm news on TV or during the evening Sunday Game, which would have a GAA audience.
As someone said, it's about getting those morning commute listeners.
Shur how would they fix it on tv ;)
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 23, 2024, 11:36:44 AMQuote from: Hound on June 23, 2024, 11:16:45 AMQuote from: galwayman on June 23, 2024, 10:49:39 AMQuote from: Hound on June 23, 2024, 10:37:47 AMFrom a Dubs viewpoint, Cork would be the easiest draw we could get on paper.
Comer is the man I fear most. It was great to see him back yesterday, but only saw highlights so not sure how he was moving. A fully fit Comer can destroy our full back line. Of course Walsh going off injured not good. They can never seem to get the full complement of their best players fully fit at the same time.
The extra week is a deserved advantage obtained by the group toppers, but is no guarantee of success.
Seems as if the preliminary quarters will be done away with next year so the extra week won't be a factor anymore.
If we draw Donegal we have a chance - if we draw Kerry or Dublin we have no chance.
That's the way I see it.
I think there's an uncertainty about how good Kerry are. But even if they are really good, I think they'll be vulnerable in the quarters as they've coasted to here, and if they get Galway or Derry, they'll have to switch it on big time.
Dubs haven't reached the intensity of last year. This is similar to 2012, 2014 and 2020. It's very difficult to defend when you have reached the target the previous year and need to start from scratch again. From 2015 the aim wasn't to win 1 AI, it was to win 2 in a row, and when that was achieved it was immediately switched to 5 in a row. Levels naturally dropped when that was achieved. We should not have won in 2020 but the way that season worked out we didn't face anyone good enough to beat us even playing in 2nd/3rd gear.
Last year was a really massive effort and the goal was achieved. Intensity levels have, naturally, been down a bit this year. I felt we would need to suffer a sore loss to get it back and come through that way. Now maybe the Mayo draw when we could/should have lost will get us back to that level, it should certainly bring us on somewhat. But we are definitely not unbeatable for a Galway, Derry, Armagh, Donegal (as we pretty much were for those teams during the 5 in a row period) if they can produce a very good performance.
Long long time from we played Dublin in championship, would be a free hit if we did meet as we'd obviously be written off.
Dublin or Kerry will beat Derry out the gate. Galway with a full team have a good chance against any but given the turnaround and injuries they'll struggle.
No point Derry showing up if we get Dublin or Kerry.
Unless penalties are a cert. Then we'd be happy enough.
No point showing up against Donegal either, the master tactician will school us again.
We should probably withdraw from the rest of the year.
Armagh on the otherhand are flying - after a tough Ulster campaign squeezing past the powerhouses of Fermanagh and Down, and then losing a 2nd Ulster final in a row on penalties to Donegal, they were well set up for the group stages. After topping the group with a draw in the final group game against a top Galway side (missing their star player and hampered by injuries), the AI is just a sniff away now. Best forwards in the country, put your money on them now - especially with the tactical genius of McGeeney! They have proved themselves this year, with all the top teams they have beaten, as being a being a top side - especially after tanking a Derry team in complete disarray.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 23, 2024, 12:38:56 PMShur how would they fix it on tv ;)
To be fair - I had the same thoughts. ;D
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 23, 2024, 12:45:40 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 23, 2024, 11:36:44 AMQuote from: Hound on June 23, 2024, 11:16:45 AMQuote from: galwayman on June 23, 2024, 10:49:39 AMQuote from: Hound on June 23, 2024, 10:37:47 AMFrom a Dubs viewpoint, Cork would be the easiest draw we could get on paper.
Comer is the man I fear most. It was great to see him back yesterday, but only saw highlights so not sure how he was moving. A fully fit Comer can destroy our full back line. Of course Walsh going off injured not good. They can never seem to get the full complement of their best players fully fit at the same time.
The extra week is a deserved advantage obtained by the group toppers, but is no guarantee of success.
Seems as if the preliminary quarters will be done away with next year so the extra week won't be a factor anymore.
If we draw Donegal we have a chance - if we draw Kerry or Dublin we have no chance.
That's the way I see it.
I think there's an uncertainty about how good Kerry are. But even if they are really good, I think they'll be vulnerable in the quarters as they've coasted to here, and if they get Galway or Derry, they'll have to switch it on big time.
Dubs haven't reached the intensity of last year. This is similar to 2012, 2014 and 2020. It's very difficult to defend when you have reached the target the previous year and need to start from scratch again. From 2015 the aim wasn't to win 1 AI, it was to win 2 in a row, and when that was achieved it was immediately switched to 5 in a row. Levels naturally dropped when that was achieved. We should not have won in 2020 but the way that season worked out we didn't face anyone good enough to beat us even playing in 2nd/3rd gear.
Last year was a really massive effort and the goal was achieved. Intensity levels have, naturally, been down a bit this year. I felt we would need to suffer a sore loss to get it back and come through that way. Now maybe the Mayo draw when we could/should have lost will get us back to that level, it should certainly bring us on somewhat. But we are definitely not unbeatable for a Galway, Derry, Armagh, Donegal (as we pretty much were for those teams during the 5 in a row period) if they can produce a very good performance.
Long long time from we played Dublin in championship, would be a free hit if we did meet as we'd obviously be written off.
Dublin or Kerry will beat Derry out the gate. Galway with a full team have a good chance against any but given the turnaround and injuries they'll struggle.
No point Derry showing up if we get Dublin or Kerry.
Unless penalties are a cert. Then we'd be happy enough.
No point showing up against Donegal either, the master tactician will school us again.
We should probably withdraw from the rest of the year.
Armagh on the otherhand are flying - after a tough Ulster campaign squeezing past the powerhouses of Fermanagh and Down, and then losing a 2nd Ulster final in a row on penalties to Donegal, they were well set up for the group stages. After topping the group with a draw in the final group game against a top Galway side (missing their star player and hampered by injuries), the AI is just a sniff away now. Best forwards in the country, put your money on them now - especially with the tactical genius of McGeeney! They have proved themselves this year, with all the top teams they have beaten, as being a being a top side - especially after tanking a Derry team in complete disarray.
Bit early for the stout yet..
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Armagh unlucky to lose to Donegal, but down to a lack of killer instinct when required in a game. They were lucky to meet a Derry side in free fall. They were poor for most of the Galway game and lucked out in the end. How anyone makes them third favourites for the AI I can't fathom.
It's just the vagaries of betting and being in the QF round when there was still a prelim round to run off, when the 4 QFs are set the betting will change again. A kind draw might keep us high up in the betting but we are well aware of the reality.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 23, 2024, 03:40:31 PMArmagh unlucky to lose to Donegal, but down to a lack of killer instinct when required in a game. They were lucky to meet a Derry side in free fall. They were poor for most of the Galway game and lucked out in the end. How anyone makes them third favourites for the AI I can't fathom.
4 teams that were straight into quarter finals were always going to be favourites pre this weekend.
Dublin and Kerry obviously 2 favourites as usual but then not much between us and Donegal.
Still in there, with a no. Of men still not firing on all cylinders, looked alot better playing defensive, even if alot of kickouts are conceded. Has done that In previous games we not conceded 9 goals. Thought b4 half time Glass should took his point, instead of us trying to run it into the bck of the net. Mayo came up the field and scored, leaving 3 in it at half time and not 5pt lead. As for the ref, enough said, but the free Mayo picked up from O'Shea pushing McAvoy in the bck to the ground and him touching the ball on the ground. About everybody seen the push but the Ref.
And again!
I assume the draw will be similar to last year - not fully open, Dublin or Armagh will have to be drew out first I'd imagine? Possibly first & second?
So is it?
Armagh have to draw Roscommon or Louth with Donegal playing the other.
Dublin have to draw Derry or Galway and Kerry the other.
Going to be interesting.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 23, 2024, 05:13:12 PMSo is it?
Armagh have to draw Roscommon or Louth with Donegal playing the other.
Dublin have to draw Derry or Galway and Kerry the other.
Going to be interesting.
No
You could have
Donegal v Derry
Armagh v Louth
Dublin v Galway
Kerry v Roscommon
It's looking like Dublin/Kerry vs Galway/Derry, and Armagh/Donegal vs Louth/Roscommon?
The following repeat pairings will not be allowed:
Kerry v Louth
Dublin v Louth/Roscommon
Armagh v Galway/Derry
Nice easy draw for Armagh coming up. Will the lurgan men travel or too busy watching the soccer?
Can anyone see a pre-quarter final county winning next weekend? I just can't myself.
Derry would have been the best bet, but the extra time grind v Mayo has watered that down.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 23, 2024, 09:08:14 PMCan anyone see a pre-quarter final county winning next weekend? I just can't myself.
Derry would have been the best bet, but the extra time grind v Mayo has watered that down.
Galway could beat Donegal, if they manage to get their main players in operating order.
We aren't sure where Kerry are, if someone puts it up to them.
Armagh should beat Louth or Roscommon, but being favourites does not suit Armagh.
Think there will be one upset.
Donegal and Armagh the most vulnerable I would say as Dublin Kerry a bit too strong.
Armagh v Louth or Roscommon you would expect Armagh but you wouldn't know.
Galway would put it up to Donegal if that happened. Couldn't see Kerry or Dublin being challenged though maybe Derry will be a different beast but don't think they're at that level.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 23, 2024, 09:50:31 PMGalway would put it up to Donegal if that happened. Couldn't see Kerry or Dublin being challenged though maybe Derry will be a different beast but don't think they're at that level.
Whether it is rankings, the bookies, or drawing a line through their recent games with Armagh, Galway and Donegal are pretty much on the same level, a Donegal v Galway game would be 50/50.
Galway on their day a match for most. It depends who's fit wrt comer, finnerty etc though.
If Derry get Donegal I would say that's their best chance. Have a feeling they will get one of the other two though.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 23, 2024, 10:00:42 PMGalway on their day a match for most. It depends who's fit wrt comer, finnerty etc though.
If Derry get Donegal I would say that's their best chance. Have a feeling they will get one of the other two though.
As in the table in Post #33, Donegal are twice as likely to get Louth or Roscommon as the Div 1 teams. There is a good chance of Armagh and Donegal reaching the semis and playing Dublin and Kerry.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 23, 2024, 10:05:15 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on June 23, 2024, 10:00:42 PMGalway on their day a match for most. It depends who's fit wrt comer, finnerty etc though.
If Derry get Donegal I would say that's their best chance. Have a feeling they will get one of the other two though.
As in the table in Post #33, Donegal are twice as likely to get Louth or Roscommon as the Div 1 teams. There is a good chance of Armagh and Donegal reaching the semis and playing Dublin and Kerry.
Would we have to be kept apart at that stage as provincial final pairing or would semi be open draw if that happened?
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 24, 2024, 12:05:18 AMQuote from: armaghniac on June 23, 2024, 10:05:15 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on June 23, 2024, 10:00:42 PMGalway on their day a match for most. It depends who's fit wrt comer, finnerty etc though.
If Derry get Donegal I would say that's their best chance. Have a feeling they will get one of the other two though.
As in the table in Post #33, Donegal are twice as likely to get Louth or Roscommon as the Div 1 teams. There is a good chance of Armagh and Donegal reaching the semis and playing Dublin and Kerry.
Would we have to be kept apart at that stage as provincial final pairing or would semi be open draw if that happened?
I think they would be kept apart, although if you asked them they might prefer to play each other. To be sure that Armagh would avoid Kerry and Dublin if they win then we need Louth to be drawn against Donegal and win.
Quote from: Hound on June 23, 2024, 11:16:45 AMQuote from: galwayman on June 23, 2024, 10:49:39 AMQuote from: Hound on June 23, 2024, 10:37:47 AMFrom a Dubs viewpoint, Cork would be the easiest draw we could get on paper.
Comer is the man I fear most. It was great to see him back yesterday, but only saw highlights so not sure how he was moving. A fully fit Comer can destroy our full back line. Of course Walsh going off injured not good. They can never seem to get the full complement of their best players fully fit at the same time.
The extra week is a deserved advantage obtained by the group toppers, but is no guarantee of success.
Seems as if the preliminary quarters will be done away with next year so the extra week won't be a factor anymore.
If we draw Donegal we have a chance - if we draw Kerry or Dublin we have no chance.
That's the way I see it.
I think there's an uncertainty about how good Kerry are. But even if they are really good, I think they'll be vulnerable in the quarters as they've coasted to here, and if they get Galway or Derry, they'll have to switch it on big time.
Dubs haven't reached the intensity of last year. This is similar to 2012, 2014 and 2020. It's very difficult to defend when you have reached the target the previous year and need to start from scratch again. From 2015 the aim wasn't to win 1 AI, it was to win 2 in a row, and when that was achieved it was immediately switched to 5 in a row. Levels naturally dropped when that was achieved. We should not have won in 2020 but the way that season worked out we didn't face anyone good enough to beat us even playing in 2nd/3rd gear.
Last year was a really massive effort and the goal was achieved. Intensity levels have, naturally, been down a bit this year. I felt we would need to suffer a sore loss to get it back and come through that way. Now maybe the Mayo draw when we could/should have lost will get us back to that level, it should certainly bring us on somewhat. But we are definitely not unbeatable for a Galway, Derry, Armagh, Donegal (as we pretty much were for those teams during the 5 in a row period) if they can produce a very good performance.
Derry or Kerry, maybe. Kerry are always capable, and Derry's pace would be a worry for our full back line. But otherwise I don't see anyone Dublin need to worry about.
Though as the Euro predictions thread shows, I'm often wrong!
Draw at 8:30?
Is the draw on RTE one
RTE news channel or on rte.ie
armagh roscommon
dublin galway
donegal louth
kerry derry
Would have preferred Donegal but at least we avoided Dublin :) All though it's not clear if could have gotten Donegal anyway. Kerry couldn't play Louth so you wonder why they even bothered with the third phase draw?
Quote from: OakLeaf on June 24, 2024, 08:44:43 AMWould have preferred Donegal but at least we avoided Dublin :)
I don't think Derry could have got Donegal.
Decent draw for the Ulster teams.
Quote from: marty34 on June 24, 2024, 08:46:43 AMQuote from: OakLeaf on June 24, 2024, 08:44:43 AMWould have preferred Donegal but at least we avoided Dublin :)
I don't think Derry could have got Donegal.
Decent draw for the Ulster teams.
Yeah, that was a bit of a curveball just before the draw
Quote from: marty34 on June 24, 2024, 08:46:43 AMQuote from: OakLeaf on June 24, 2024, 08:44:43 AMWould have preferred Donegal but at least we avoided Dublin :)
I don't think Derry could have got Donegal.
Decent draw for the Ulster teams.
Aye, I'm just after editing my post when I realised that. Too slow :)
Derry could have got Donegal. But after Roscommon were drawn to play Armagh in the first stage of the draw, that automatically meant Donegal had to get Louth (as Louth could play neither Dubs nor Kerry). So there was no need to proceed with stage 3 as the only option was Kerry v Derry and Donegal v Louth.
Good draw. All the group winners will be favorites, but everyone will think they have a chance.
It's hard to look past the 4 teams who topped the group. Derry might have the best chance of upsetting the apple cart since I think they have unfinished business with Kerry from last season.
Tally v Harte. Excellent!
Quote from: OakLeaf on June 24, 2024, 08:51:15 AMQuote from: marty34 on June 24, 2024, 08:46:43 AMQuote from: OakLeaf on June 24, 2024, 08:44:43 AMWould have preferred Donegal but at least we avoided Dublin :)
I don't think Derry could have got Donegal.
Decent draw for the Ulster teams.
Aye, I'm just after editing my post when I realised that. Too slow :)
Once Armagh drew Roscommon, it meant Donegal had to draw Louth and the third round became pointless
Hound beat me to it
When do they decide which day ?
The speculation is Armagh on saturday. Derry probably sunday after donegal louth.
Get that wee percentage table up for the semis lads, no fear of Kerry here ;D
If you look at the odds on Paddypower they have the fixtures as
Saturday
Armagh v Roscommon 3.45
Kerry v Derry 6pm
Sunday
Donegal v Louth 1.45
Dublin v Galway 4pm
Not sure if that could be trusted.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 24, 2024, 09:02:06 AMThe speculation is Armagh on saturday. Derry probably sunday after donegal louth.
id agree, dubs at 630/7
They will put Armagh v Rossies and Derry v Kerry on the Sat and then have the Dublin v Galway and Louth v Donegal on the Sunday...Just my guess BTW.
Dates to be decided today. I'd imagine they will put Dubs on Saturday as they'll think that will maximize GAAGOreceipts and Louth on Sunday to give them the extra day. So Sat: Armagh v Ros, Dubs v Galway. Sun: Donegal v Louth, Kerry v Derry.
But we'll see
How freaky is this...I was speaking to Davy Burke in Armagh on Saturday afternoon and after all the craic and football talk he said to me "We'll see you (Armagh v Rossies) next weekend.
Quote from: naka on June 24, 2024, 08:59:55 AMWhen do they decide which day ?
After they consult the dublin management team to see if they're still happy playing on saturday evening !
What would have happened had Donegal drew Louth in the final draw that they made?
I'd like to see what they would have changed.
With travel think it's pretty unfair Derry / Kerry Saturday
Dublin Galway not a better option ?
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 24, 2024, 09:06:18 AMWhat would have happened had Donegal drew Louth in the final draw that they made?
I'd like to see what they would have changed.
I thought Donegal did draw Louth?
Armagh v Roscommon - Both will be happy with that draw I can imagine
Dublin v Galway - Dublin by a bit to spare but Galway as ever will try to make the contest a war of attrition
Donegal v Louth - Fair play to Louth for getting this far but will be Donegal's first semi final for 10 years
Kerry v Derry - An interesting one, Kerry haven't been tested, Derry back on the horse with that shootout win
Yeah it's pretty much the best draw armagh could have got and the best draw roscommon could have got.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 24, 2024, 09:09:45 AMQuote from: Smokin Joe on June 24, 2024, 09:06:18 AMWhat would have happened had Donegal drew Louth in the final draw that they made?
I'd like to see what they would have changed.
I thought Donegal did draw Louth?
they did
all of the group winners will progress
Quote from: David McKeown on June 24, 2024, 09:09:45 AMQuote from: Smokin Joe on June 24, 2024, 09:06:18 AMWhat would have happened had Donegal drew Louth in the final draw that they made?
I'd like to see what they would have changed.
I thought Donegal did draw Louth?
Sorry, if Donegal had have drawn Derry (is what I meant to say). What would they have done?
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 24, 2024, 09:14:41 AMYeah it's pretty much the best draw armagh could have got and the best draw roscommon could have got.
Is it a better draw than Louth?
Because of how the draw was made the chances of certain match pairings were significantly altered.
Had the draw instead been draw a group winner, then draw a winner from the weekend and just moved the team into the next slot then Armagh would have statistically had a better chance of drawing Louth than Roscommon but the way the draw was done changed that chance. It also significantly impacted the chance of Donegal v Derry which had at best a 16.67% chance of occurring the way was done but would have had a 25% of occurring had it been draw and move.
I think so yeah.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 24, 2024, 09:29:53 AMI think so yeah.
I think Roscommon are a very dangerous side on their day and would have preferred Louth but no easy draws at this stage.
Armagh v Roscommon - Armagh by 2pts
Dublin v Galway - Dublin by 4pts
Donegal v Louth - Donegal by 5pts
Kerry v Derry - Kerry by 2pts
Yeah I agree or they wouldn't be where they are but I think Louth have been excellent this year.
There usually is a shock somewhere...If Roscommon were to beat Armagh that would not be a shock. Derry beating Kerry would not be a shock either but the other two would be...Knowing Armagh's history of draws they could do an extra time job assuming there is no replays?.
Hard to know for Armagh fans who they would have preferred.
Louth have a much better defence and pack the defence, which Armagh tend to struggle against.
Roscommon have a much better attack, which means game will me more open?
Louth will likely be Sunday.
Armagh Rosc & Kerry Derry Sat... But which game goes 2nd? Kerry & Derry have a poor support, so should they go 1st?
Donegal Louth & Dublin Galway Sun
My main hope is that be get competitive Quarter finals and not a repeat of last year where three of them was over long before the final whistle. Yes last year Derry,Dublin,Kerry was all favourites to win then but the scheduling advantage played it's part in making those games the way they turned out.
Armagh bookies favourites but who would lump on them only a madman! Very much a 50/50 game and that's the way we need to go in mentally.
Glad we avoided Louth, I'd say I've watched us play Louth maybe 3 or 4 times in my day and every game was a close, cagey bag of shite and that was b4 this era. Donegal v Louth will be one for Ceefax as Lineker would have said.
Quote from: 5times5times on June 24, 2024, 09:40:33 AMHard to know for Armagh fans who they would have preferred.
Louth have a much better defence and pack the defence, which Armagh tend to struggle against.
Roscommon have a much better attack, which means game will me more open?
Louth will likely be Sunday.
Armagh Rosc & Kerry Derry Sat... But which game goes 2nd? Kerry & Derry have a poor support, so should they go 1st?
Donegal Louth & Dublin Galway Sun
I agree, If Armagh are on first and lose then the fans will empty out and leave the second game a damp squib regarding atmosphere.
Quote from: WhoDat on June 24, 2024, 09:24:01 AMall of the group winners will progress
If that happens can Armagh draw Donegal in the semi final? When asked about the semi final draw, there was some reference made to avoiding repeat pairings.
Presume Dublin-Galway will be Saturday evening.
Louth-Donegal and Derry-Kerry Sunday?
Louth will definitely be on Sunday due to them requiring 7 days preparation. I can't see them putting Louth and Armagh on the same day either as there would be too much traffic congestion. My guess is Armagh v Roscommon and Dublin v Galway on the Saturday.
In terms of attendances, you'd think Derry v Kerry and Dublin v Galway on a double bill would have the best chance of maximising attendances over the two days?
Quote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2024, 09:47:52 AMQuote from: WhoDat on June 24, 2024, 09:24:01 AMall of the group winners will progress
If that happens can Armagh draw Donegal in the semi final? When asked about the semi final draw, there was some reference made to avoiding repeat pairings.
Going by last year's semi no repeat pairings at all, compared to the 1/4s where no repeat meetings of provincial final or group games.
If Derry, Donegal, Armagh and Galway win it'd be interesting what they'd do as Armagh have played all 3. Would it be Derry as their previous encounter was the least significant?
Quote from: onefineday on June 24, 2024, 09:52:06 AMIn terms of attendances, you'd think Derry v Kerry and Dublin v Galway on a double bill would have the best chance of maximising attendances over the two days?
Maybe, but I don't think they'll lump the 4 best teams left all in on the same day... Could be wrong
If Armagh go to win it I think they will have too much for Roscommon, If we go not to lose it we could end up in a dogfight a la Monaghan last year.
Expecting a tough, 50 50 game against Roscommon as most of our matches with them tend to be. Just no penalties please.
Semi finals should be an open draw
I imagine as 3 of the 4 games involve teams that have won a trophy this year (and 2 that have both teams having won a trophy) they will pair the Armagh v Roscommon with either Kerry v Derry or Dublin v Galway and Louth v Donegal will be paired with the other. The Armagh and Louth games to be the curtain raisers.
Quote from: Mario on June 24, 2024, 10:01:58 AMSemi finals should be an open draw
will follow the same format pre 2001
So ulster v leinster connacht v munster
Donegal/Louth v Dublin/Galway
I think !!
Quote from: bennydorano on June 24, 2024, 09:44:07 AMArmagh bookies favourites but who would lump on them only a madman! Very much a 50/50 game and that's the way we need to go in mentally.
Glad we avoided Louth, I'd say I've watched us play Louth maybe 3 or 4 times in my day and every game was a close, cagey bag of shite and that was b4 this era. Donegal v Louth will be one for Ceefax as Lineker would have said.
Armagh heavy favourites.
Armagh 2/5 Roscommon 5/2
Im going for a Draw @ 15/2 with Armagh to prevail after penalties!
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on June 24, 2024, 10:04:44 AMQuote from: Mario on June 24, 2024, 10:01:58 AMSemi finals should be an open draw
will follow the same format pre 2001
So ulster v leinster connacht v munster
Donegal/Louth v Dublin/Galway
I think !!
No, rule book states the following ..
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on
a draw, subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where
possible
Quote from: David McKeown on June 24, 2024, 10:03:15 AMI imagine as 3 of the 4 games involve teams that have won a trophy this year (and 2 that have both teams having won a trophy) they will pair the Armagh v Roscommon with either Kerry v Derry or Dublin v Galway and Louth v Donegal will be paired with the other. The Armagh and Louth games to be the curtain raisers.
Shouldn't they put Armagh second to give more time for penalties :(
Quote from: grounded on June 24, 2024, 10:05:13 AMArmagh heavy favourites.
Armagh 2/5 Roscommon 5/2
Im going for a Draw @ 15/2 with Armagh to prevail after penalties!
Armagh are the least favoured of the group toppers to proceed, perhaps because they are not the Provincial champions, but also because the Rossies are coming good at the right time.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on June 24, 2024, 10:04:44 AMQuote from: Mario on June 24, 2024, 10:01:58 AMSemi finals should be an open draw
will follow the same format pre 2001
So ulster v leinster connacht v munster
Donegal/Louth v Dublin/Galway
I think !!
A draw for the semis subject to avoiding repeat pairings if possible.
Odds
Armagh 2/5 Roscommon 5/2
Kerry 2/5 Derry 5/2
Donegal 2/9 Louth 4/1
Dublin 3/10 Galway 10/3
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 24, 2024, 09:14:41 AMYeah it's pretty much the best draw armagh could have got and the best draw roscommon could have got.
Agree with this .
Whilst people are talking up the Rossies the reality is they were poor enough in the group stages .
If it's a shootout which it should be then Armagh have no excuses .
No point us turning up at all it seems.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 24, 2024, 10:14:52 AMNo point us turning up at all it seems.
Could you have got a better draw?
Quote from: naka on June 24, 2024, 10:12:47 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on June 24, 2024, 09:14:41 AMYeah it's pretty much the best draw armagh could have got and the best draw roscommon could have got.
Agree with this .
Whilst people are talking up the Rossies the reality is they were poor enough in the group stages .
If it's a shootout which it should be then Armagh have no excuses .
ye they went to omagh and beat Tyrone. Itll be a very tough game
Quote from: Rossfan on June 24, 2024, 10:14:52 AMNo point us turning up at all it seems.
Ooh you guys are happy enough with the draw
Quote from: APM on June 24, 2024, 10:16:04 AMQuote from: Rossfan on June 24, 2024, 10:14:52 AMNo point us turning up at all it seems.
Could you have got a better draw?
His reply is a few minutes later than expected. Its a standard response, trotted out every time Roscommon enter a pitch.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 24, 2024, 10:14:52 AMNo point us turning up at all it seems.
Quite the opposite, whilst Louth have been impressive, they haven't beaten a division 1 team this year whereas Roscommon came out of a much harder group and have 2 wins over division 1 sides this year (1 more than Armagh) so I see them as at best for Armagh a 50/50 chance of progressing and can't understand why Armagh would be considered favourites
Quote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2024, 09:51:01 AMLouth will definitely be on Sunday due to them requiring 7 days preparation. I can't see them putting Louth and Armagh on the same day either as there would be too much traffic congestion. My guess is Armagh v Roscommon and Dublin v Galway on the Saturday.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2024, 09:47:52 AMQuote from: WhoDat on June 24, 2024, 09:24:01 AMall of the group winners will progress
If that happens can Armagh draw Donegal in the semi final? When asked about the semi final draw, there was some reference made to avoiding repeat pairings.
Stop this semi-final chat here and now ... you're from Armagh, not Dublin!
Quote from: blanketattack on June 24, 2024, 09:53:23 AMQuote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2024, 09:47:52 AMQuote from: WhoDat on June 24, 2024, 09:24:01 AMall of the group winners will progress
If that happens can Armagh draw Donegal in the semi final? When asked about the semi final draw, there was some reference made to avoiding repeat pairings.
Going by last year's semi no repeat pairings at all, compared to the 1/4s where no repeat meetings of provincial final or group games.
If Derry, Donegal, Armagh and Galway win it'd be interesting what they'd do as Armagh have played all 3. Would it be Derry as their previous encounter was the least significant?
In the unlikely event that happens they'd just do an open draw I'd imagine?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 24, 2024, 10:14:52 AMNo point us turning up at all it seems.
Last championship game we had was a cracker. Rossies will be delighted at that drawz
Quote from: David McKeown on June 24, 2024, 10:20:56 AMQuote from: Rossfan on June 24, 2024, 10:14:52 AMNo point us turning up at all it seems.
Quite the opposite, whilst Louth have been impressive, they haven't beaten a division 1 team this year whereas Roscommon came out of a much harder group and have 2 wins over division 1 sides this year (1 more than Armagh) so I see them as at best for Armagh a 50/50 chance of progressing and can't understand why Armagh would be considered favourites
It's more to do with styles. I'm glad to have avoided Louth simply because it would have been a local derby slug fest. I can't remember us ever getting it easy against Louth and in those sort of games we typically tend to play at the same level of the opposition. Roscommon are probably a better all round side than Louth but it will be a more open game of football which should suit Armagh better. Roscommon are probably happy to get us also as they will feel like they have a chance of progressing.
Quote from: naka on June 24, 2024, 10:12:47 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on June 24, 2024, 09:14:41 AMYeah it's pretty much the best draw armagh could have got and the best draw roscommon could have got.
Agree with this .
Whilst people are talking up the Rossies the reality is they were poor enough in the group stages .
If it's a shootout which it should be then Armagh have no excuses .
Don't think you'll get many talking up the rossies and the odds speak for themselves. Not sure I'd agree on poor in the group stages. It was a tough group with Mayo and Dublin. The first game against Dublin in Croke Park was still in the balance with 65 minutes played, Dublin's better bench and fitness took over then. Mayo only beat Roscommon by two points and that included a penalty that probably should have been a free out for steps instead.
Don't expect any shootout probably a very cagey affair.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 24, 2024, 10:14:52 AMNo point us turning up at all it seems.
Ohh, here's the soft talk now. The big Yellow bus is delighted with the draw. 50/50 game
Quote from: grounded on June 24, 2024, 10:05:13 AMQuote from: bennydorano on June 24, 2024, 09:44:07 AMArmagh bookies favourites but who would lump on them only a madman! Very much a 50/50 game and that's the way we need to go in mentally.
Glad we avoided Louth, I'd say I've watched us play Louth maybe 3 or 4 times in my day and every game was a close, cagey bag of shite and that was b4 this era. Donegal v Louth will be one for Ceefax as Lineker would have said.
Armagh heavy favourites.
Armagh 2/5 Roscommon 5/2
Im going for a Draw @ 15/2 with Armagh to prevail after penalties!
I think this could be a close game tbh.
The Rossies have some excellent players and are physical in the tackle.
I wouldn't rule penalties out!
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 24, 2024, 10:43:28 AMQuote from: grounded on June 24, 2024, 10:05:13 AMQuote from: bennydorano on June 24, 2024, 09:44:07 AMArmagh bookies favourites but who would lump on them only a madman! Very much a 50/50 game and that's the way we need to go in mentally.
Glad we avoided Louth, I'd say I've watched us play Louth maybe 3 or 4 times in my day and every game was a close, cagey bag of shite and that was b4 this era. Donegal v Louth will be one for Ceefax as Lineker would have said.
Armagh heavy favourites.
Armagh 2/5 Roscommon 5/2
Im going for a Draw @ 15/2 with Armagh to prevail after penalties!
I think this could be a close game tbh.
The Rossies have some excellent players and are physical in the tackle.
I wouldn't rule penalties out!
Stoppp
Quote from: illdecide on June 24, 2024, 10:42:11 AMQuote from: Rossfan on June 24, 2024, 10:14:52 AMNo point us turning up at all it seems.
Ohh, here's the soft talk now. The big Yellow bus is delighted with the draw. 50/50 game
It's 50/50 alright.
All down to on the day, who performs best, who gets more things right, bounce of ball, Ref decisions etc.
Daire Cregg is a fantastic young player, what is the story with O'Carroll this season another super talent. Would hope Armagh have learnt from last year's quarter final and will take the game to rossies definitely a game Armagh could lose. Last year people were writing off Monaghan and came unstuck, hopefully not the case this year.
O'Carroll injured.
Would love to see Michael Murphy re-appear for Donegal now for the last few weeks of the season
50/50 game ... Armagh need to play to win as oppose to play to not lose ... it's time to stand up when it matters, knockout football in Croker, both teams will he equally satisfied with the draw and that tells you all there is to know.
Quote from: tiempo on June 24, 2024, 11:09:01 AMWould love to see Michael Murphy re-appear for Donegal now for the last few weeks of the season
You do know Michael Murphy is now 35?
Quote from: tiempo on June 24, 2024, 11:09:01 AMWould love to see Michael Murphy re-appear for Donegal now for the last few weeks of the season
;D ;D ;D This is so random!
Kerry will beat Derry substantially. Not because they are miles ahead. But because they are rested and have a decent bench.
The Media will subsequently talk about how great Kerry are and will completely ignore the week turnaround stuff.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2024, 11:11:29 AMQuote from: tiempo on June 24, 2024, 11:09:01 AMWould love to see Michael Murphy re-appear for Donegal now for the last few weeks of the season
You do know Michael Murphy is now 35?
In the Euros currently on Portugal's main forward is 39 and their centre back is 41 but no Murphy isn't coming back.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 24, 2024, 11:22:01 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2024, 11:11:29 AMQuote from: tiempo on June 24, 2024, 11:09:01 AMWould love to see Michael Murphy re-appear for Donegal now for the last few weeks of the season
You do know Michael Murphy is now 35?
In the Euros currently on Portugal's main forward is 39 and their centre back is 41 but no Murphy isn't coming back.
Stephen O'Neill came back late for Tyrone in 2008 so it's not unprecedented and I'd say Jimmy would still have him back in a heartbeat just for 15 minutes at the end of a match to see it out. They will have enough to beat Louth regardless but someone like Murphy could still be the difference maker in the key moments if they hope to win an All Ireland.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2024, 11:17:32 AMKerry will beat Derry substantially. Not because they are miles ahead. But because they are rested and have a decent bench.
The Media will subsequently talk about how great Kerry are and will completely ignore the week turnaround stuff.
Yeah quite possible that happens but them Derry huers could have a kick in them yet. Kerry seem to be flying though.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2024, 11:28:58 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 24, 2024, 11:22:01 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2024, 11:11:29 AMQuote from: tiempo on June 24, 2024, 11:09:01 AMWould love to see Michael Murphy re-appear for Donegal now for the last few weeks of the season
You do know Michael Murphy is now 35?
In the Euros currently on Portugal's main forward is 39 and their centre back is 41 but no Murphy isn't coming back.
Stephen O'Neill came back late for Tyrone in 2008 so it's not unprecedented and I'd say Jimmy would still have him back in a heartbeat just for 15 minutes at the end of a match to see it out. They will have enough to beat Louth regardless but someone like Murphy could still be the difference maker in the key moments if they hope to win an All Ireland.
Is as much chance of Jack O'Shea coming back for Kerry
Quote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2024, 11:28:58 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 24, 2024, 11:22:01 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2024, 11:11:29 AMQuote from: tiempo on June 24, 2024, 11:09:01 AMWould love to see Michael Murphy re-appear for Donegal now for the last few weeks of the season
You do know Michael Murphy is now 35?
In the Euros currently on Portugal's main forward is 39 and their centre back is 41 but no Murphy isn't coming back.
Stephen O'Neill came back late for Tyrone in 2008 so it's not unprecedented and I'd say Jimmy would still have him back in a heartbeat just for 15 minutes at the end of a match to see it out. They will have enough to beat Louth regardless but someone like Murphy could still be the difference maker in the key moments if they hope to win an All Ireland.
This is it, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was Jims plan/a pact all along, Jim is a cute hoor and it could make a huge difference against Kerry/Dublin if their paths cross
Couple of wee quirks- last 2 years Mayo have beat Kerry and drew with Dublin who everyone would say are the best 2 teams in the country yet haven't got past a quarter final. They've also beat Roscommon twice and are still gone before them. Derry have 3 defeats, a win over Westmeath and a win on penalties and are in a quarter final.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 24, 2024, 10:11:01 AMOdds
Armagh 2/5 Roscommon 5/2
Kerry 2/5 Derry 5/2
Donegal 2/9 Louth 4/1
Dublin 3/10 Galway 10/3
Turn 100 quid into 311 if anyone fancies the four favourites to all win in 70 mins.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2024, 11:17:32 AMKerry will beat Derry substantially. Not because they are miles ahead. But because they are rested and have a decent bench.
The Media will subsequently talk about how great Kerry are and will completely ignore the week turnaround stuff.
We beat them last time after 3 of our players spent half the week on the beer. We should be much better conditioned this time.
Armagh
Dublin
Donegal
Derry
Quote from: Hound on June 24, 2024, 11:46:01 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 24, 2024, 10:11:01 AMOdds
Armagh 2/5 Roscommon 5/2
Kerry 2/5 Derry 5/2
Donegal 2/9 Louth 4/1
Dublin 3/10 Galway 10/3
Turn 100 quid into 311 if anyone fancies the four favourites to all win in 70 mins.
If you'd guessed the 4 preliminary quarter finals you'd have turned the £100 into £4,000. I can't see the 4 favourites winning.
Quote from: Mario on June 24, 2024, 11:56:50 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2024, 11:17:32 AMKerry will beat Derry substantially. Not because they are miles ahead. But because they are rested and have a decent bench.
The Media will subsequently talk about how great Kerry are and will completely ignore the week turnaround stuff.
We beat them last time after 3 of our players spent half the week on the beer. We should be much better conditioned this time.
Lol, the league in February, Like Kerry won't be better conditioned or motivated.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 24, 2024, 11:30:09 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2024, 11:17:32 AMKerry will beat Derry substantially. Not because they are miles ahead. But because they are rested and have a decent bench.
The Media will subsequently talk about how great Kerry are and will completely ignore the week turnaround stuff.
Yeah quite possible that happens but them Derry huers could have a kick in them yet. Kerry seem to be flying though.
Could well happen that way.
We pushed Kerry close last year but were coming in on good form, even with the managerial fuss.
This year we've had a championship to forget so far, a litany of injuries and reports of discontent.
Yet we seem to have improved to take Mayo out - the hope now is that we can improve further, and with some renewed confidence and push Kerry hard.
I think Kerry are beatable, but we'd need everything to go right for us.
Massive ask.
Quote from: tiempo on June 24, 2024, 11:38:19 AMQuote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2024, 11:28:58 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 24, 2024, 11:22:01 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2024, 11:11:29 AMQuote from: tiempo on June 24, 2024, 11:09:01 AMWould love to see Michael Murphy re-appear for Donegal now for the last few weeks of the season
You do know Michael Murphy is now 35?
In the Euros currently on Portugal's main forward is 39 and their centre back is 41 but no Murphy isn't coming back.
Stephen O'Neill came back late for Tyrone in 2008 so it's not unprecedented and I'd say Jimmy would still have him back in a heartbeat just for 15 minutes at the end of a match to see it out. They will have enough to beat Louth regardless but someone like Murphy could still be the difference maker in the key moments if they hope to win an All Ireland.
This is it, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was Jims plan/a pact all along, Jim is a cute hoor and it could make a huge difference against Kerry/Dublin if their paths cross
How is Murphy playing at club level these days?
We're in the twilight zone here. Stephen O'Neill hadn't retired. He'd a fallout with Harte. Murphy be involved in the final though, in the RTÉ studio...
Cahair O'Kane made a few good points on off the ball this morn regarding the Derry Kerry game.
Essentially he said our game had been evolving over the past few years to the high press attacking game that nearly beat Kerry last year. Donegal and Armagh shattered that and we beat Mayo by going back to basics, almost regressing to the team of a couple of years ago. Will that be enough in Croke park? Presumably not, in which case do we have the confidence to play like we were doing and leave ourselves open to all those goal chances.
Murphy's not coming back. He already said no to McGuinness, he's got tonnes of other commitments, and he hasn't put in the hard training.
Besides, there's no guarantee we're beating Louth. They lost narrowly to us in the league, just beat a Cork team who beat us, and were very competitive with Dublin. This could be a slow, defensive arm wrestle, and in those types of games, a goal or mistake could swing it.
As bad as Derry's Championship form has been.
Is Derrys win v Mayo actually their biggest championship win since their resurgence 2 years ago?
Donegal and Tyrone in 2022 Ulster Championship the other two that come to mind.
First time Harte has beat Mayo in the championship in a long time too...
Yeah I think that is probably their biggest win in a very very long time.
I still think turnaround , injuries etc mean Kerry beat them by bit but they have at least salvaged their season. Would love to be wrong and they beat Kerry mind you.
Quote from: J70 on June 24, 2024, 12:42:01 PMMurphy's not coming back. He already said no to McGuinness, he's got tonnes of other commitments, and he hasn't put in the hard training.
Besides, there's no guarantee we're beating Louth. They lost narrowly to us in the league, just beat a Cork team who beat us, and were very competitive with Dublin. This could be a slow, defensive arm wrestle, and in those types of games, a goal or mistake could swing it.
I think this game is probably the most cut and dried out of all the quarter finals. Donegal are a team on a mission whereas Louth have exceeded all expectations and will be happy just to be there. I think that will be the difference. Jimmy has done some coaching in Louth and will know a lot of their players and the best thing that happened Donegal was the Cork defeat. They won't be going in complacent again.
Kerry , Dublin , Donegal and Armagh will go through .
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 24, 2024, 12:46:43 PMAs bad as Derry's Championship form has been.
Is Derrys win v Mayo actually their biggest championship win since their resurgence 2 years ago?
Donegal and Tyrone in 2022 Ulster Championship the other two that come to mind.
Surely beating the AI winners in 2022 was bigger as were both Ulster finals. Armagh and Donegal were at Mayos level but there was a trophy on the line.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 24, 2024, 12:57:23 PMFirst time Harte has beat Mayo in the championship in a long time too...
Yeah I think that is probably their biggest win in a very very long time.
I still think turnaround , injuries etc mean Kerry beat them by bit but they have at least salvaged their season. Would love to be wrong and they beat Kerry mind you.
From what I seen it was Devlin that was doing most of the talking at half time during the extra time period. Cajoling players, he would seem to have more of a rapport with them than Mickey Harte. Enda Muldoon seems to have stayed well in the background when you would have thought that he would be the one beating the chest as the only Derry man.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2024, 01:05:52 PMQuote from: J70 on June 24, 2024, 12:42:01 PMMurphy's not coming back. He already said no to McGuinness, he's got tonnes of other commitments, and he hasn't put in the hard training.
Besides, there's no guarantee we're beating Louth. They lost narrowly to us in the league, just beat a Cork team who beat us, and were very competitive with Dublin. This could be a slow, defensive arm wrestle, and in those types of games, a goal or mistake could swing it.
I think this game is probably the most cut and dried out of all the quarter finals. Donegal are a team on a mission whereas Louth have exceeded all expectations and will be happy just to be there. I think that will be the difference. Jimmy has done some coaching in Louth and will know a lot of their players and the best thing that happened Donegal was the Cork defeat. They won't be going in complacent again.
That's one thing I'd say with Louth they arent the sort of team that are happy just making up the numbers. They went in to the Leinster final with belief that they could win it and will do the same against Donegal. Think they'll come up short but will give Donegal a good test
Quote from: Mario on June 24, 2024, 01:08:06 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on June 24, 2024, 12:46:43 PMAs bad as Derry's Championship form has been.
Is Derrys win v Mayo actually their biggest championship win since their resurgence 2 years ago?
Donegal and Tyrone in 2022 Ulster Championship the other two that come to mind.
Surely beating the AI winners in 2022 was bigger as were both Ulster finals. Armagh and Donegal were at Mayos level but there was a trophy on the line.
I probably would agree but Mayo are always very highly rated in the media.
Saturday's double-header will see Armagh play Roscommon at 4pm and Dublin play Galway at 6.15pm.
Sunday's double-header will see Donegal play Louth at 1.15pm and Kerry play Derry at 3.15pm.
Quote from: rory on June 24, 2024, 01:56:01 PMSaturday's double-header will see Armagh play Roscommon at 4pm and Dublin play Galway at 6.15pm.
Sunday's double-header will see Donegal play Louth at 1.15pm and Kerry play Derry at 3.15pm.
Saturday games on GAAGo
Sunday on Rte
Are the semi finals pre-determined or is there a new draw for them?
Depends who goes through I think
Quote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2024, 01:10:00 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on June 24, 2024, 12:57:23 PMFirst time Harte has beat Mayo in the championship in a long time too...
Yeah I think that is probably their biggest win in a very very long time.
I still think turnaround , injuries etc mean Kerry beat them by bit but they have at least salvaged their season. Would love to be wrong and they beat Kerry mind you.
From what I seen it was Devlin that was doing most of the talking at half time during the extra time period. Cajoling players, he would seem to have more of a rapport with them than Mickey Harte. Enda Muldoon seems to have stayed well in the background when you would have thought that he would be the one beating the chest as the only Derry man.
Or the only Tyrone man a stones throw away From Derry?
Will there be any tickets through the clubs or just all online sales ?
Roscommon's last championship win in Croker was the 1980 semi final V Armagh..
We need all the omens we can get this week...
Quote from: Rossie11 on June 24, 2024, 03:32:51 PMRoscommon's last championship win in Croker was the 1980 semi final V Armagh..
We need all the omens we can get this week...
was at it and the 1977 games ( you threw away the drawn game)
we wore white the 3 times so hopefully we wearblack this weekend
Here's one for you,If Donegal,Armagh Dublin win as expected, and Derry somehow scrape the line against Kerry, it leave a Armagh v Dublin and Donegal v Derry semi as Armagh, have played the other 2.
Would it not be an open draw then as Derry/Donegal/Armagh have all played each other at some stage of the championship?
Quote from: maddog on June 24, 2024, 03:13:04 PMWill there be any tickets through the clubs or just all online sales ?
I wouldn't think there is any need to go through clubs unless they were expecting a sell out which won't be the case prior to the final.
Quote from: square_ball on June 24, 2024, 04:22:46 PMWould it not be an open draw then as Derry/Donegal/Armagh have all played each other at some stage of the championship?
Big what-ifs to even be having this conversation. But let's indulge it. Yes, Derry has played both but Armagh and Donegal played in an Ulster final which prob trumps things in terms of previous meetings.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 24, 2024, 04:16:34 PMHere's one for you,If Donegal,Armagh Dublin win as expectated, and Derry somehow scrape the line against Kerry, it leave a Armagh v Dublin and Donegal v Derry semi as Armagh, have played the other 2.
In that scenario all 3 of Armagh, Donegal and Derry would have played each other so it would be an open draw. Derry winning on Sunday would be good for both Armagh and Donegal in that case as it means they have a better chance of avoiding Dublin if they were both to win.
1st Rd meeting doesnt apply, Only provincial final and previous round robin meetings.
What odds on Dublin and Kerry being beat this weekend?
Would be no bad thing , and would make the rest of the championship very interesting.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 24, 2024, 04:39:56 PMWhat odds on Dublin and Kerry being beat this weekend?
Would be no bad thing , and would make the rest of the championship very interesting.
Of both? I'd say it's one of those ones where you stick £20 and you lose £20. Possibly one of them loses but would be an unbelievable shock if both did. Would fairly give the remaining teams belief wouldn't it
If the truly miraculous happened in two of the games and Ros and Louth won, and Dublin and Kerry won, based on what they were suggesting on Morning Ireland, then you'd have a semi-final of Louth v Ros and Dublin v Kerry. I'd say they'd quickly row back on what they said if that happened.
Quote from: weareros on June 24, 2024, 05:05:52 PMIf the truly miraculous happened in two of the games and Ros and Louth won, and Dublin and Kerry won, based on what they were suggesting on Morning Ireland, then you'd have a semi-final of Louth v Ros and Dublin v Kerry. I'd say they'd quickly row back on what they said if that happened.
The semi finals the GAA needs.
Quote from: weareros on June 24, 2024, 05:05:52 PMIf the truly miraculous happened in two of the games and Ros and Louth won, and Dublin and Kerry won, based on what they were suggesting on Morning Ireland, then you'd have a semi-final of Louth v Ros and Dublin v Kerry. I'd say they'd quickly row back on what they said if that happened.
If Louth win then Dublin have to meet Kerry, be great.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 24, 2024, 04:32:18 PM1st Rd meeting doesnt apply, Only provincial final and previous round robin meetings.
Incorrect.
Semi-Finals
13-14.07.2024 (Sat/Sun)
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a draw, subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible
Wildweasel's "system" applies in PQFs and QFs.
Looking forward to the weekend, should be a very good game between us and the Rossies, they've serious forwards and didn't draw with Dublin last and run them close for an hour this year without being a good team and anyone that comes away from Omagh with a win in the championship can't be too bad.
Hopefully our strength in depth can see us over the line.
Is Shane Walsh expected to be fit for Galway?
Only corner tickets available so far. Nothing in the better seats. Will they be released later?
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 24, 2024, 06:14:55 PMOnly corner tickets available so far. Nothing in the better seats. Will they be released later?
Yes if last year is anything to go by
Wait to Thursday
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 24, 2024, 06:14:55 PMOnly corner tickets available so far. Nothing in the better seats. Will they be released later?
Limited I'd your taking kids.
I got 309, not the worst but could be better.
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 24, 2024, 11:38:29 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 24, 2024, 06:14:55 PMOnly corner tickets available so far. Nothing in the better seats. Will they be released later?
Limited I'd your taking kids.
I got 309, not the worst but could be better.
306 for me
330 lower hogan. Will do well.
Dublin v Galway by 4
Armagh v Roscommon by 3
Donegal v Louth by 1
Kerry v Derry by 2 AET
Dublin v Galway by 6
Armagh v Roscommon by 1
Donegal v Louth by 4
Kerry v Derry by 3
Hopefully Armagh will wear black.
Dublin by 5
donegal by 6/7
armagh by 4/5
derry by 1 aet
Middle sections on upper cusack now available for Sunday's games
Dublin v Galway By 7
Armagh v Roscommon by 6
Donegal v Louth by 11
Kerry v Derry by 4
Dublin v Galway - Dublin by 8 - Galways injuries are too much - they have the footballers to trouble Dublin when at all full strength but not sure if they have enough raw pace.
Armagh v Roscommon - Roscommon by 2 - Armagh will fall back into their shell and Roscommon could take advantage of that - but hope Armagh win
Donegal v Louth - Donegal by 7 - Donegal should have too much - and are our best chance of preventing a Dublin Kerry Final again.
Kerry v Derry - Kerry by 6 after a strong Derry start
Listened to the GAA hour there and they seem to be convinced that Kerry Dublin are to meet in a semi and that Donegal have a great chance of making a final because they'll play Donegal or Armagh.
Donegal and Armagh can't meet in a semi if both win...
Nobody mentioned the bizarreness of the draw?
Galway/Derry Co Board have every right to complain. Galway/Derry both had a 1 in 3 chance of meeting Dublin ended up with a 1 in 2 because of it the decided to make the draw that way.
Considering Donegal could play everyone surely the sensible option was to draw their opponents first and then work backwards from there, it wasn't rocket science. Roscommon's chances of meeting Armagh went from 1 in 3 to 1 in 2 due to it too.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 25, 2024, 02:31:39 PMNobody mentioned the bizarreness of the draw?
Galway/Derry Co Board have every right to complain. Galway/Derry both had a 1 in 3 chance of meeting Dublin ended up with a 1 in 2 because of it the decided to make the draw that way.
Considering Donegal could play everyone surely the sensible option was to draw their opponents first and then work backwards from there, it wasn't rocket science. Roscommon's chances of meeting Armagh went from 1 in 3 to 1 in 2 due to it too.
I was thinking the same myself
Armagh and Louth only had 2 options in the draw - if Donegal did go first it probably would have resulted in a redraw or several before being matched with teams that could be played.
You can't have it both ways, either you want teams to avoid teams they've played already and adapt the draw to fit that criteria or screw that and do a fully open draw. I stated how they would have to approach it, it was the exact same last year. Donegal drew first just creates problems as you go further down the draw - unless you do something similar by forcing an outcome further down the draw, you might have to stop and start again - so its balls either way. The way they did it makes perfect sense to me as their scope is restricted.
https://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489 (https://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489)
This probably explains it better than I could...
Having Armagh first out did change their odds of getting Louth from 67% to 50%.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 25, 2024, 01:06:37 PMListened to the GAA hour there and they seem to be convinced that Kerry Dublin are to meet in a semi and that Donegal have a great chance of making a final because they'll play Donegal or Armagh.
Donegal and Armagh can't meet in a semi if both win...
A Kerry-Dublin semi-final is guaranteed if Louth and Armagh win.
No matter, Armagh can proceed by playing Dublin in the semi, who miss a last-minute free, and then having a fellow called Oisin score a goal against Kerry in the final.
Quote from: cornerback on June 25, 2024, 03:04:45 PMhttps://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489 (https://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489)
This probably explains it better than I could...
Having Armagh first out did change their odds of getting Louth from 67% to 50%.
Since it would suit Armagh to meet Louth in the semi-final as above, Uachtarán CLG probably thinks this is a reasonable plan.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 25, 2024, 03:07:42 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 25, 2024, 01:06:37 PMListened to the GAA hour there and they seem to be convinced that Kerry Dublin are to meet in a semi and that Donegal have a great chance of making a final because they'll play Donegal or Armagh.
Donegal and Armagh can't meet in a semi if both win...
Quote from: armaghniac on June 25, 2024, 03:07:42 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 25, 2024, 01:06:37 PMListened to the GAA hour there and they seem to be convinced that Kerry Dublin are to meet in a semi and that Donegal have a great chance of making a final because they'll play Donegal or Armagh.
Donegal and Armagh can't meet in a semi if both win...
A Kerry-Dublin semi-final is guaranteed if Louth and Armagh win.
No matter, Armagh can proceed by playing Dublin in the semi, who miss a last-minute free, and then having a fellow called Oisin score a goal against Kerry in the final.
Quote from: cornerback on June 25, 2024, 03:04:45 PMhttps://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489 (https://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489)
This probably explains it better than I could...
Having Armagh first out did change their odds of getting Louth from 67% to 50%.
Since it would suit Armagh to meet Louth in the semi-final as above, Uachtarán CLG probably thinks this is a reasonable plan.
A Kerry-Dublin semi-final is guaranteed if Louth and Armagh win.
No matter, Armagh can proceed by playing Dublin in the semi, who miss a last-minute free, and then having a fellow called Oisin score a goal against Kerry in the final.
Quote from: cornerback on June 25, 2024, 03:04:45 PMhttps://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489 (https://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489)
This probably explains it better than I could...
Having Armagh first out did change their odds of getting Louth from 67% to 50%.
Since it would suit Armagh to meet Louth in the semi-final as above, Uachtarán CLG probably thinks this is a reasonable plan.
Why are the other teams even bothering? Seems Armagh already have their name on Sam this year.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 25, 2024, 03:15:41 PMQuote from: armaghniac on June 25, 2024, 03:07:42 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 25, 2024, 01:06:37 PMListened to the GAA hour there and they seem to be convinced that Kerry Dublin are to meet in a semi and that Donegal have a great chance of making a final because they'll play Donegal or Armagh.
Donegal and Armagh can't meet in a semi if both win...
Quote from: armaghniac on June 25, 2024, 03:07:42 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 25, 2024, 01:06:37 PMListened to the GAA hour there and they seem to be convinced that Kerry Dublin are to meet in a semi and that Donegal have a great chance of making a final because they'll play Donegal or Armagh.
Donegal and Armagh can't meet in a semi if both win...
A Kerry-Dublin semi-final is guaranteed if Louth and Armagh win.
No matter, Armagh can proceed by playing Dublin in the semi, who miss a last-minute free, and then having a fellow called Oisin score a goal against Kerry in the final.
Quote from: cornerback on June 25, 2024, 03:04:45 PMhttps://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489 (https://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489)
This probably explains it better than I could...
Having Armagh first out did change their odds of getting Louth from 67% to 50%.
Since it would suit Armagh to meet Louth in the semi-final as above, Uachtarán CLG probably thinks this is a reasonable plan.
A Kerry-Dublin semi-final is guaranteed if Louth and Armagh win.
No matter, Armagh can proceed by playing Dublin in the semi, who miss a last-minute free, and then having a fellow called Oisin score a goal against Kerry in the final.
Quote from: cornerback on June 25, 2024, 03:04:45 PMhttps://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489 (https://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489)
This probably explains it better than I could...
Having Armagh first out did change their odds of getting Louth from 67% to 50%.
Since it would suit Armagh to meet Louth in the semi-final as above, Uachtarán CLG probably thinks this is a reasonable plan.
Why are the other teams even bothering? Seems Armagh already have their name on Sam this year.
I don't know what you are on about but I for one am not looking beyond the weekend - Roscommon are going to be difficult to beat and our record in QFs the last number of years is horrendous.
Draw Donegal opponents out first, if it was Galway or Derry then the one not chosen automatically gets Dublin. If it Roscommon or Louth then whoever didn't get drawn automatically gets Armagh.
Draw Kerry out next and if Derry/Galway had not come out then have a separate pot with just Derry/Galway in. Whoever doesn't come out automatically plays Dublin.
None of the above is complicated and was a much fairer way of doing the draw which has ended up as a distorted farce.
The way it was done isn't complicated either. Thems the trade offs. I suspect if Galway hadn't have drew Dublin you wouldn't have posted this?
Are boys really crying about the draw ffs.
Well, from a Galway pov in the blink of an eye they had a 33% chance meeting the Dubs change to a 50% chance. I'd no idea the draw was going to happen like that, was it known? Meet anyone other the Dublin they've a better chance of winning, get a few of the big guns back fit for a potential semi....
Quote from: JoG2 on June 25, 2024, 04:34:52 PMWell, from a Galway pov in the blink of an eye they had a 33% chance meeting the Dubs change to a 50% chance. I'd no idea the draw was going to happen like that, was it known? Meet anyone other the Dublin they've a better chance of winning, get a few of the big guns back fit for a potential semi....
They always had a 50% chance of drawing Dublin because Dublin could only get Galway or Derry.
Galway could draw 3 teams but there wasn't an equal 33% chance of getting those teams.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 25, 2024, 03:07:42 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 25, 2024, 01:06:37 PMListened to the GAA hour there and they seem to be convinced that Kerry Dublin are to meet in a semi and that Donegal have a great chance of making a final because they'll play Donegal or Armagh.
Donegal and Armagh can't meet in a semi if both win...
A Kerry-Dublin semi-final is guaranteed if Louth and Armagh win.
No matter, Armagh can proceed by playing Dublin in the semi, who miss a last-minute free, and then having a fellow called Oisin score a goal against Kerry in the final.
Quote from: cornerback on June 25, 2024, 03:04:45 PMhttps://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489 (https://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489)
This probably explains it better than I could...
Having Armagh first out did change their odds of getting Louth from 67% to 50%.
Since it would suit Armagh to meet Louth in the semi-final as above, Uachtarán CLG probably thinks this is a reasonable plan.
A Kerry Dublin semi is gauranteed?
Now why did you not tell me before i bought the ticket to the quarter final.
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 25, 2024, 05:48:18 PMQuote from: armaghniac on June 25, 2024, 03:07:42 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 25, 2024, 01:06:37 PMListened to the GAA hour there and they seem to be convinced that Kerry Dublin are to meet in a semi and that Donegal have a great chance of making a final because they'll play Donegal or Armagh.
Donegal and Armagh can't meet in a semi if both win...
A Kerry-Dublin semi-final is guaranteed if Louth and Armagh win.
No matter, Armagh can proceed by playing Dublin in the semi, who miss a last-minute free, and then having a fellow called Oisin score a goal against Kerry in the final.
Quote from: cornerback on June 25, 2024, 03:04:45 PMhttps://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489 (https://x.com/StatsAndSolos/status/1805144293125857489)
This probably explains it better than I could...
Having Armagh first out did change their odds of getting Louth from 67% to 50%.
Since it would suit Armagh to meet Louth in the semi-final as above, Uachtarán CLG probably thinks this is a reasonable plan.
A Kerry Dublin semi is gauranteed?
Now why did you not tell me before i bought the ticket to the quarter final.
It isn't guaranteed, it is possible and it is up to you to stop it!
Quote from: cornerback on June 25, 2024, 04:52:04 PMQuote from: JoG2 on June 25, 2024, 04:34:52 PMWell, from a Galway pov in the blink of an eye they had a 33% chance meeting the Dubs change to a 50% chance. I'd no idea the draw was going to happen like that, was it known? Meet anyone other the Dublin they've a better chance of winning, get a few of the big guns back fit for a potential semi....
They always had a 50% chance of drawing Dublin because Dublin could only get Galway or Derry.
Galway could draw 3 teams but there wasn't an equal 33% chance of getting those teams.
Well in that case.....
Does it matter that much?
Realistically, Dublin or Kerry will win the AI. Unless the final goes to Penalties....then it's ours for the taking ;D
Sounds like people getting annoyed about when they're going to get beat ;)
From a Derry pov, I didn't really care who we got. Same as last few years, if you want to win an AI you have to beat the best teams at some time. Meet Dublin in a QF, they might not have peaked yet and give you a better chance. Meet them in an AIF, you're less likely to beat them.
It would have been nice to get Donegal again, as I think it would give the game another dimension with Derry trying to right a perceived wrong, but Kerry it is and we'll have to improve again if we are to get anywhere close to them.
For what it's worth, my predictions:
Dublin v Galway - Dublin by 4 (but if Comer and Walsh are fit nothing would surprise me)
Armagh v Roscommon - Draw + Penalties AET. Roscommon to win 3-1 on penos. :o
Donegal v Louth - Donegal AET
Kerry v Derry - Derry to click and win by 6
Good man Brick id take a one or two points victory, but no, 6 it is 🤓🤓
Lock her in men! Tbrick knows his onions
Whats the story with tickets. Only average tickets on general release from the very start. Even shittier now. Will Ticketmaster then release the good sections once they've got rid of the bad ones?
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 25, 2024, 07:18:26 PMGood man Brick id take a one or two points victory, but no, 6 it is 🤓🤓
Go big or go home lads!
Hon Derry ye boy ye!
Quote from: Feckitt on June 25, 2024, 08:40:35 PMWhats the story with tickets. Only average tickets on general release from the very start. Even shittier now. Will Ticketmaster then release the good sections once they've got rid of the bad ones?
Mid section upper Cusack on sale earlier today. Lower Cusack middle prob on sale tomorrow at some stage
Quote from: JoG2 on June 25, 2024, 08:51:17 PMQuote from: Feckitt on June 25, 2024, 08:40:35 PMWhats the story with tickets. Only average tickets on general release from the very start. Even shittier now. Will Ticketmaster then release the good sections once they've got rid of the bad ones?
Mid section upper Cusack on sale earlier today. Lower Cusack middle prob on sale tomorrow at some stage
Upper might not be a bad plan on Saturday, as rain is forecast at present.
Is there a lift up to the upper tier in Croke Park? I never looked before
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 25, 2024, 09:27:22 PMIs there a lift up to the upper tier in Croke Park? I never looked before
Don't think so. Is a long climb goes round and round. Is a lift to the Premier Section and Corporates.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 25, 2024, 09:27:22 PMIs there a lift up to the upper tier in Croke Park? I never looked before
There's a lift to premium level and pretty sure it goes on up. For elderly/people with buggies etc.
Really looking forward to Kerry Vs. Derry. Highlight of the round on paper.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 25, 2024, 10:52:33 PMReally looking forward to Kerry Vs. Derry. Highlight of the round on paper.
Depends which Derry turn up and whether or not Clifford does.
Huge ask for Derry to lift it with the turnaround and after et the other day but the extra days rest helps with that slightly. Could be an absolute cracker.
Dublin Galway has potential to be the same but depends on Galways injury list.
Derry moving in the right direction, so I'm hopeful for a cracker.
I think Dublin will have too much for Galway.
Who goes on Clifford? I expect Chrissy to pick up O'Shea, and McCloskey to go to 6 on P Clifford. Does that leave McAvoy or Baker on D Clifford? With Glass or McKinless sweeping in front.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 25, 2024, 10:44:51 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on June 25, 2024, 09:27:22 PMIs there a lift up to the upper tier in Croke Park? I never looked before
There's a lift to premium level and pretty sure it goes on up. For elderly/people with buggies etc.
I looked into it before, you can't just rock up and use it. I think you have to contact CP hospitality in advance and get on a list.
Was never able to get it sorted, the right person was never available and never rang back.
Dublin Galway an interesting one, I think at 100% Galway have the tools to hurt Dublin especially that defense, lets face it if Walsh Comer and Finnerty are all fit they're going to get scores.
Think Dublin will really squeeze that Galway kickout though given Gleesons ability to have a brain fart, no doubt they've noted the Armagh game. Hoping for a good game there too but think you're right Dublin will have too much. Hopefully we'll be in the mood to stay on and shout for Galway though Saturday evening!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2024, 12:06:53 AMWho goes on Clifford? I expect Chrissy to pick up O'Shea, and McCloskey to go to 6 on P Clifford. Does that leave McAvoy or Baker on D Clifford? With Glass or McKinless sweeping in front.
For me put Mccloskey on Clifford.
Clifford will have to track back which he won't like and mcloskey can mark a man as well as anyone.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 25, 2024, 09:27:22 PMIs there a lift up to the upper tier in Croke Park? I never looked before
Yes
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 26, 2024, 12:12:03 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 26, 2024, 12:06:53 AMWho goes on Clifford? I expect Chrissy to pick up O'Shea, and McCloskey to go to 6 on P Clifford. Does that leave McAvoy or Baker on D Clifford? With Glass or McKinless sweeping in front.
For me put Mccloskey on Clifford.
Clifford will have to track back which he won't like and mcloskey can mark a man as well as anyone.
I'm sure someone else will do the tracking back for Clifford. Surely Derry won't leave him on his own like they did with Turbitt against us!
You probably have to accept that Clifford is going to get scores it's a matter of limiting it and limiting the supply going in. McK marked him last year didn't he? Role of Glass in a defensive sense will be key you'd imagine.
Clifford will always get his. It's a case of damage limitation with him, and making sure the other forwards are marked up tight.
The best physical Match up is McAvoy on him.
What sort of attendances do you expect to see in Croke Park on Saturday & Sunday?
Saturday has the potential to be a big crowd, can't see the same being there on Sunday.
50/55k?
I was told they expect around 60 on Saturday and 45 Sunday.
Not great with Kerry V Derry on the Sunday. Big further to travel on the Sunday.
Louth should bring a decent crowd.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 26, 2024, 09:08:05 AMI was told they expect around 60 on Saturday and 45 Sunday.
Fair play, didn't expect as many on Sunday.
Quote from: toby47 on June 26, 2024, 09:13:52 AMQuote from: Rossfan on June 26, 2024, 09:08:05 AMI was told they expect around 60 on Saturday and 45 Sunday.
Fair play, didn't expect as many on Sunday.
There might be 60k on Sat and 45k on Sun but there'll only be a short window where they are all there at the same time. That's why there is a definite argument about these quarter-finals being played in neutral venues around the country. Donegal will probably bring the biggest crowd of the 4 and I'd imagine a fair chunk of them will hit the road after their game. Same with Louth. It'll be the same story on Saturday. I can't see too many Kerry people travelling as they generally don't at this stage and most see the game against us as a formality. They expect us to give them a bit of game but that's it.
I watched how Duiblin place Murchan on Clifford in the league game and he attacked as much as possible which Clifford didn't enjoy, it was definitely one of Clifford's weaker outings. McCloskey owes him big time, out of all the defenders currently playing, you do not want McCloskey running to support the play not being marked. Clifford standing watching him. How many gls has McCloskey scored or been involved in this season?
Quote from: shawshank on June 26, 2024, 09:44:02 AMI watched how Duiblin place Murchan on Clifford in the league game and he attacked as much as possible which Clifford didn't enjoy, it was definitely one of Clifford's weaker outings. McCloskey owes him big time, out of all the defenders currently playing, you do not want McCloskey running to support the play not being marked. Clifford standing watching him. How many gls has McCloskey scored or been involved in this season?
Think this is the best route and Kerry should tell him not to follow him. If Derry are careless like previous games it will be a disaster but if Derry are sharp it could be the winning of the game. McKinless is key and surely Kerry are looking at a way of stopping him
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 26, 2024, 09:36:04 AMQuote from: toby47 on June 26, 2024, 09:13:52 AMQuote from: Rossfan on June 26, 2024, 09:08:05 AMI was told they expect around 60 on Saturday and 45 Sunday.
Fair play, didn't expect as many on Sunday.
There might be 60k on Sat and 45k on Sun but there'll only be a short window where they are all there at the same time. That's why there is a definite argument about these quarter-finals being played in neutral venues around the country. Donegal will probably bring the biggest crowd of the 4 and I'd imagine a fair chunk of them will hit the road after their game. Same with Louth. It'll be the same story on Saturday. I can't see too many Kerry people travelling as they generally don't at this stage and most see the game against us as a formality. They expect us to give them a bit of game but that's it.
Yeah I would agree. With numerous events/concerts on in Dublin, travel disruptions, and the price of hotels , it made sense for the QFs in different grounds.
You would have four packed stadiums and great atmospheres. Everything is Dublin-centric in Ireland , and the prices are astronomical. People could have made a weekend of it in the likes of Cavan, Thurles, Castlebar etc , and been more affordable than doing similar in Dublin.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 26, 2024, 09:36:04 AMQuote from: toby47 on June 26, 2024, 09:13:52 AMQuote from: Rossfan on June 26, 2024, 09:08:05 AMI was told they expect around 60 on Saturday and 45 Sunday.
Fair play, didn't expect as many on Sunday.
There might be 60k on Sat and 45k on Sun but there'll only be a short window where they are all there at the same time. That's why there is a definite argument about these quarter-finals being played in neutral venues around the country. Donegal will probably bring the biggest crowd of the 4 and I'd imagine a fair chunk of them will hit the road after their game. Same with Louth. It'll be the same story on Saturday. I can't see too many Kerry people travelling as they generally don't at this stage and most see the game against us as a formality. They expect us to give them a bit of game but that's it.
There's also Taylor Swift in dublin Sat/Sun night. So the traffic will be mental.
There's been a lot of talk about packing out 4 provincial grounds for these matches but I'm not convinced it stacks up. The Croke Park factor and availability of good seating etc for families helps attracts more people. And the double headers generate plenty of interest.
Does anyone really think Derry Kerry would get 25,000 into a provincial ground like Portlaois. Given the distance from Derry I'd imagine 15,000 might be all you'd get. Similarly Dublin v Galway might attract around 20,000 in Roscommon or somewhere but neither county are great travellers so even that might be a stretch.
I could see an argument for maybe playing one good double header in Croke Park and then two standalone matches. But it would depend on the fixture and distances etc involved.
Dublin should be put out of Croker regardless for quarters. We need a 50k stadium somewhere in the midlands ;)
If Provincial venues were used...
Ros v Armagh Breffni 15k
Galway v Dublin Hyde or Tullamore 18k
Kerry v Derry Portlaoise 12k
Louth v Donegal Clones 15k.
You won't get the one big day 1 match a year types in those venues.
The long term ticket holders, Corporates etc no doubt dictate that the QFs will continue to be in Croke Park.
Regarding the draw from a few posts back:
With a bit of working out and considering the repeat pairing constraints there appeared to be only 4 or 5 possible versions of who could play who. It would be near as handy to put these versions up on the screen so people knew what they were and then draw one of them out the hat.
Anyway hardly worth worrying about at this stage.
Neutral venues, Dublin being jam packed etc etc. We'll all be sitting here on Monday morning regardless. Some of us happy, some not. The big day out in Croke Park isn't a given for a lot of our counties. This is where it needs to be.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 26, 2024, 10:37:50 AMIf Provincial venues were used...
Ros v Armagh Breffni 15k
Galway v Dublin Hyde or Tullamore 18k
Kerry v Derry Portlaoise 12k
Louth v Donegal Clones 15k.
You won't get the one big day 1 match a year types in those venues.
The long term ticket holders, Corporates etc no doubt dictate that the QFs will continue to be in Croke Park.
That's 60,000 in total. That's a right drop from the 90/100,000 that'll be in Croke Park this weekend (in previous years that was as high as 120/130,000 at times).
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 26, 2024, 11:17:11 AMQuote from: Rossfan on June 26, 2024, 10:37:50 AMIf Provincial venues were used...
Ros v Armagh Breffni 15k
Galway v Dublin Hyde or Tullamore 18k
Kerry v Derry Portlaoise 12k
Louth v Donegal Clones 15k.
You won't get the one big day 1 match a year types in those venues.
The long term ticket holders, Corporates etc no doubt dictate that the QFs will continue to be in Croke Park.
That's 60,000 in total. That's a right drop from the 90/100,000 that'll be in Croke Park this weekend (in previous years that was as high as 120/130,000 at times).
There should be close to 60k on Saturday alone at €45
I'm looking forward to Croke Park on Saturday. Lower Hogan, section 336 :o
329 available now.
329, 333 and 324 all available for Lower Hogan now
Jack Grugan getting married on Saturday wonder was Rory meant to have a job at it?
Conor mccluskey should be marking Paudie Clifford. Perfect man for the job and half the reason Derry were so close to Kerry was the job done there. Paudie Clifford massively influential for Kerry.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 26, 2024, 10:38:36 PMConor mccluskey should be marking Paudie Clifford. Perfect man for the job and half the reason Derry were so close to Kerry was the job done there. Paudie Clifford massively influential for Kerry.
+1 and I would have his club mate McEvoy on David Clifford
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Eunan Mulholland in for Emmett Bradley
Niall Laughlin back in the squad
Would it be worth considering putting Rodgers on Clifford and bring Bradley into midfield.
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Great to have strong subs that can be brought on, if a man has yellow card or is tiring.
Roscommon's last championship win in Croke Pk was against Armagh in 1980, our challenge faded that day when Colm McKinstry went off injured, but I think we have the subs to maintain performance in the event of injury.
Is Burns for Higgins the only change? Obviously Burns and McCambridge in to do man marking jobs.
The rumour mill has been quiet this week at least for us. Solid team and some serious quality on the bench to bring on as you say.
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Eunan Mulholland in for Emmett Bradley
Niall Laughlin back in the squad
A strong Derry bench too. Would love to see Cormac Murphy get game time, brings serious energy to that team. Great to see Loughlin back too
In fairness to Geezer, he has built a panel where every sub coming on could easily fit into the starting 15. I think it was Oisin O'Neill who said after the Derry game that the B team hadn't lost to the A team in training in a month.
Time to split Armagh in 2
Quote from: balladmaker on June 27, 2024, 10:23:38 PMIn fairness to Geezer, he has built a panel where every sub coming on could easily fit into the starting 15. I think it was Oisin O'Neill who said after the Derry game that the B team hadn't lost to the A team in training in a month.
Yeah bar the 2 O'Neills and maybe one or two others if they're on form we don't have many proper superstars, but we've a squad of lads all of similar ability where no one is a nailed on starter and if someone is injured theres a player just as good waiting to come in. In other years we'd have seriously missed players as good as Ciaran Mackin and Conor O'Neill but we've been able to cope.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 27, 2024, 10:23:38 PMIn fairness to Geezer, he has built a panel where every sub coming on could easily fit into the starting 15. I think it was Oisin O'Neill who said after the Derry game that the B team hadn't lost to the A team in training in a month.
Does that mean penalties AET?
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2024, 10:55:57 PMQuote from: balladmaker on June 27, 2024, 10:23:38 PMIn fairness to Geezer, he has built a panel where every sub coming on could easily fit into the starting 15. I think it was Oisin O'Neill who said after the Derry game that the B team hadn't lost to the A team in training in a month.
Yeah bar the 2 O'Neills and maybe one or two others if they're on form we don't have many proper superstars, but we've a squad of lads all of similar ability where no one is a nailed on starter and if someone is injured theres a player just as good waiting to come in. In other years we'd have seriously missed players as good as Ciaran Mackin and Conor O'Neill but we've been able to cope.
To be fair, that's not a bad position to be in.
It means you can absorb injuries and drives competition for places and means you'll win a lot of matches.
The only downside for the Armagh setup, which I think will hinder them winning major titles, is the fact they don't have any proper super stars as you call them.
All the succesful teams have them - Mayo had a good few and still couldn't get that elusive AI, but Dublin and Kerry have them in spades.
From a Derry pov, we've a few players that might just be close to that superstar status - Rogers, Glass, Ethan Doc, for example. But we don't have that bench of players that are at similar standard to the starting 15. We have improved there - but with so many injuries this year it's still hasnt been enough.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 27, 2024, 10:23:38 PMIn fairness to Geezer, he has built a panel where every sub coming on could easily fit into the starting 15. I think it was Oisin O'Neill who said after the Derry game that the B team hadn't lost to the A team in training in a month.
In the terms of strength in depth and possible impact off the bench Armagh are among the best out there.
You wouldn't think Armagh are 2/5 or 1/3 shots listening to some of the pods/ twitter. Uncertainty over Armagh is very understandable, not sure what I think yet!
I've a sneaky feeling Galway could upset the applecart this weekend. Unfortunately for Derry, I think Kerry really have something to prove to themselves and to everyone else, think they'll come out with all guns blazing and no complacency. Hard to see past a comfortable Donegal win.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 27, 2024, 11:11:50 PMYou wouldn't think Armagh are 2/5 or 1/3 shots listening to some of the pods/ twitter. Uncertainty over Armagh is very understandable, not sure what I think yet!
I've a sneaky feeling Galway could upset the applecart this weekend. Unfortunately for Derry, I think Kerry really have something to prove to themselves and to everyone else, think they'll come out with all guns blazing and no complacency. Hard to see past a comfortable Donegal win.
I think if Galway were at 100% they'd actually beat Dublin or come very close. Not sure Walsh and Comer are at themselves though nor Sean Kelly which is a shame.
Roscommon a good team but 2 weeks ago Cavan without Paddy Lynch score 1-20 against them. Surely we can hit a similar score?
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 27, 2024, 11:03:24 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2024, 10:55:57 PMQuote from: balladmaker on June 27, 2024, 10:23:38 PMIn fairness to Geezer, he has built a panel where every sub coming on could easily fit into the starting 15. I think it was Oisin O'Neill who said after the Derry game that the B team hadn't lost to the A team in training in a month.
Yeah bar the 2 O'Neills and maybe one or two others if they're on form we don't have many proper superstars, but we've a squad of lads all of similar ability where no one is a nailed on starter and if someone is injured theres a player just as good waiting to come in. In other years we'd have seriously missed players as good as Ciaran Mackin and Conor O'Neill but we've been able to cope.
To be fair, that's not a bad position to be in.
It means you can absorb injuries and drives competition for places and means you'll win a lot of matches.
The only downside for the Armagh setup, which I think will hinder them winning major titles, is the fact they don't have any proper super stars as you call them.
All the succesful teams have them - Mayo had a good few and still couldn't get that elusive AI, but Dublin and Kerry have them in spades.
From a Derry pov, we've a few players that might just be close to that superstar status - Rogers, Glass, Ethan Doc, for example. But we don't have that bench of players that are at similar standard to the starting 15. We have improved there - but with so many injuries this year it's still hasnt been enough.
I don't think it is having Marquee names afterall this is a relatively young team. I think the big problem is leadership, I don't see a McGeeney or McGrane driving the team on, on the pitch...it certainly shows when we try to close out games.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2024, 11:19:35 PMQuote from: bennydorano on June 27, 2024, 11:11:50 PMYou wouldn't think Armagh are 2/5 or 1/3 shots listening to some of the pods/ twitter. Uncertainty over Armagh is very understandable, not sure what I think yet!
I've a sneaky feeling Galway could upset the applecart this weekend. Unfortunately for Derry, I think Kerry really have something to prove to themselves and to everyone else, think they'll come out with all guns blazing and no complacency. Hard to see past a comfortable Donegal win.
I think if Galway were at 100% they'd actually beat Dublin or come very close. Not sure Walsh and Comer are at themselves though nor Sean Kelly which is a shame.
Roscommon a good team but 2 weeks ago Cavan without Paddy Lynch score 1-20 against them. Surely we can hit a similar score?
Probably would if this match became a shootout but the likelihood of that happening? cagey tactical affair looks more likely with long awaited semi final place offer for both teams.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 27, 2024, 11:54:13 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 27, 2024, 11:19:35 PMQuote from: bennydorano on June 27, 2024, 11:11:50 PMYou wouldn't think Armagh are 2/5 or 1/3 shots listening to some of the pods/ twitter. Uncertainty over Armagh is very understandable, not sure what I think yet!
I've a sneaky feeling Galway could upset the applecart this weekend. Unfortunately for Derry, I think Kerry really have something to prove to themselves and to everyone else, think they'll come out with all guns blazing and no complacency. Hard to see past a comfortable Donegal win.
I think if Galway were at 100% they'd actually beat Dublin or come very close. Not sure Walsh and Comer are at themselves though nor Sean Kelly which is a shame.
Roscommon a good team but 2 weeks ago Cavan without Paddy Lynch score 1-20 against them. Surely we can hit a similar score?
Probably would if this match became a shootout but the likelihood of that happening? cagey tactical affair looks more likely with long awaited semi final place offer for both teams.
Need to get the balance right.
Armagh let Galway dictate the pace the game was played at last time out and some players who were not 100% fit. If anything Armagh should have tried to run them into the ground. Roscommon not only need to recover physically but also be up for the game mentally -which they will be. Armagh need to go at them for 70 + mins
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Eunan Mulholland in for Emmett Bradley
Niall Laughlin back in the squad
It would definitely be a shock if the named team was the one that started!
Good to see loughlin back but probably a week or two too early for him?
Probably would if this match became a shootout but the likelihood of that happening? cagey tactical affair looks more likely with long awaited semi final place offer for both teams.
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Armagh need to go for it at the beginning and see if they can get a lead, if this happens the game will open up.
Quote from: naka on June 28, 2024, 08:21:26 AMProbably would if this match became a shootout but the likelihood of that happening? cagey tactical affair looks more likely with long awaited semi final place offer for both teams.
Armagh need to go for it at the beginning and see if they can get a lead, if this happens the game will open up.
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Roscommon need to go for it at the beginning and see if they can get a lead, if this happens the game will open up.
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 28, 2024, 09:02:18 AMQuote from: naka on June 28, 2024, 08:21:26 AMProbably would if this match became a shootout but the likelihood of that happening? cagey tactical affair looks more likely with long awaited semi final place offer for both teams.
Armagh need to go for it at the beginning and see if they can get a lead, if this happens the game will open up.
Roscommon need to go for it at the beginning and see if they can get a lead, if this happens the game will open up.
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derry need to go for it at the beginning and see if they can get a lead, if this happens the game will open up.
Maybe I'm letting my heart take over my head here but if you take out the Donegal and Armagh performances we actually have a better team this year than we had playing Kerry last year!
Baker at corner back frees up McEvoy into HB and Lachlan Murray in Corner forward is an upgrade too.
Our bench is stronger as well with Toner/Loughlin/Bradley/Murphy/Gilmore to come in whereas we were a lot lighter in that department last year.
I'm not saying we'll win but if the lads aren't wrecked after last weekend I think we can give Kerry a right rattle again!
You appear stronger individually but ,thus far, not as a team I would say...
Quote from: screenexile on June 28, 2024, 09:22:07 AMMaybe I'm letting my heart take over my head here but if you take out the Donegal and Armagh performances we actually have a better team this year than we had playing Kerry last year!
Baker at corner back frees up McEvoy into HB and Lachlan Murray in Corner forward is an upgrade too.
Our bench is stronger as well with Toner/Loughlin/Bradley/Murphy/Gilmore to come in whereas we were a lot lighter in that department last year.
I'm not saying we'll win but if the lads aren't wrecked after last weekend I think we can give Kerry a right rattle again!
Does the week make a big difference?
Quote from: screenexile on June 28, 2024, 09:22:07 AMMaybe I'm letting my heart take over my head here but if you take out the Donegal and Armagh performances we actually have a better team this year than we had playing Kerry last year!
Baker at corner back frees up McEvoy into HB and Lachlan Murray in Corner forward is an upgrade too.
Our bench is stronger as well with Toner/Loughlin/Bradley/Murphy/Gilmore to come in whereas we were a lot lighter in that department last year.
I'm not saying we'll win but if the lads aren't wrecked after last weekend I think we can give Kerry a right rattle again!
Derry by 6 lad, said it already ;)
On paper we're stronger than last year, if everyone is fit.
McEvoy and CD are just back from injury, and were not at their usual levels last week. Still played well, just looked a little rusty.
McKinless should be fresh ;D
Loughlin's first appearance on the 26 for some time due to injury, so unsure as to how match fit he'll be.
We're no Armagh, who have another entire first 15 on the bench - team to beat for me. Sailing through to the SF at the minute.
But yes, your point stands.
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 28, 2024, 09:43:17 AMQuote from: screenexile on June 28, 2024, 09:22:07 AMMaybe I'm letting my heart take over my head here but if you take out the Donegal and Armagh performances we actually have a better team this year than we had playing Kerry last year!
Baker at corner back frees up McEvoy into HB and Lachlan Murray in Corner forward is an upgrade too.
Our bench is stronger as well with Toner/Loughlin/Bradley/Murphy/Gilmore to come in whereas we were a lot lighter in that department last year.
I'm not saying we'll win but if the lads aren't wrecked after last weekend I think we can give Kerry a right rattle again!
Derry by 6 lad, said it already ;)
On paper we're stronger than last year, if everyone is fit.
McEvoy and CD are just back from injury, and were not at their usual levels last week. Still played well, just looked a little rusty.
McKinless should be fresh ;D
Loughlin's first appearance on the 26 for some time due to injury, so unsure as to how match fit he'll be.
We're no Armagh, who have another entire first 15 on the bench - team to beat for me. Sailing through to the SF at the minute.
But yes, your point stands.
::) ;)
A better more in depth squad, then probably. However a lot of the Derry players have been in poor form, they lack real purpose as a team and morale hasn't been great. Can that be turned around in a week on the back of one decent result? Possibly but unlikely I would say. The best Derry can hope for is to turn it into another arm wrestle and stay in the match with 10/15 minutes to go. Very few people realistically expect Derry to win it though so there is probably less pressure on them than last year.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 28, 2024, 09:46:13 AMA better more in depth squad, then probably. However a lot of the Derry players have been in poor form, they lack real purpose as a team and morale hasn't been great. Can that be turned around in a week on the back of one decent result? Possibly but unlikely I would say. The best Derry can hope for is to turn it into another arm wrestle and stay in the match with 10/15 minutes to go. Very few people realistically expect Derry to win it though so there is probably less pressure on them than last year.
No-one expected us to win last year!
Derry are peaking at the right time - will win by 6. ;D
(thats what the voice in my head is saying)
Quote from: balladmaker on June 27, 2024, 10:23:38 PMIn fairness to Geezer, he has built a panel where every sub coming on could easily fit into the starting 15. I think it was Oisin O'Neill who said after the Derry game that the B team hadn't lost to the A team in training in a month.
I think there are 4 or 5 lads who would be considered in the strongest XV but who are being held back in order to have the best team on the pitch at the end. It's a risky strategy but it could be a tactic to try and see these close matches out. I don't see a stronger bench than that for any of the other counties bar possibly Dublin.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 28, 2024, 09:51:12 AMQuote from: balladmaker on June 27, 2024, 10:23:38 PMIn fairness to Geezer, he has built a panel where every sub coming on could easily fit into the starting 15. I think it was Oisin O'Neill who said after the Derry game that the B team hadn't lost to the A team in training in a month.
I think there are 4 or 5 lads who would be considered in the strongest XV but who are being held back in order to have the best team on the pitch at the end. It's a risky strategy but it could be a tactic to try and see these close matches out. I don't see a stronger bench than that for any of the other counties bar possibly Dublin.
Yeah O'Neill is for sure in our best 15 but the likes of him and Soupy are great to come in and make an impact against tired legs. Also you can't really start 6 superstar forwards- no doubt there's better players on the bench than McElroy but you need a man like him to do the dirty work up and down the field tracking runners etc.
Quote from: screenexile on June 28, 2024, 09:22:07 AMMaybe I'm letting my heart take over my head here but if you take out the Donegal and Armagh performances we actually have a better team this year than we had playing Kerry last year!
Baker at corner back frees up McEvoy into HB and Lachlan Murray in Corner forward is an upgrade too.
Our bench is stronger as well with Toner/Loughlin/Bradley/Murphy/Gilmore to come in whereas we were a lot lighter in that department last year.
I'm not saying we'll win but if the lads aren't wrecked after last weekend I think we can give Kerry a right rattle again!
Think the match-ups will be interesting; 12 months on from last years semi-final there is only 1 changes to the Derry defence (Baker for McGrogan).
McKaigue offers the least as an attacking/scoring threat (despite his equalising score against Mayo) so would it be best to have him on concentrate Clifford?
Or do you put a more attacking threat on Clifford to give him more to think about defensively.
Toner has been very good coming off the bench; we've seriously missed Loughlin - I would have been critically of his scoring return at times but his workrate and support play is immense.
Would love to see what Murphy could bring in the closing stages, a couple of impressive league performances but injuries have stopped him from pushing on.
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 28, 2024, 09:48:59 AMQuote from: yellowcard on June 28, 2024, 09:46:13 AMA better more in depth squad, then probably. However a lot of the Derry players have been in poor form, they lack real purpose as a team and morale hasn't been great. Can that be turned around in a week on the back of one decent result? Possibly but unlikely I would say. The best Derry can hope for is to turn it into another arm wrestle and stay in the match with 10/15 minutes to go. Very few people realistically expect Derry to win it though so there is probably less pressure on them than last year.
No-one expected us to win last year!
Derry are peaking at the right time - will win by 6. ;D
(thats what the voice in my head is saying)
You didn't win
Is the draw already made for the semis , as in Dublin/galway - Kerry/derry will play each other ? I didn't think so but I've been told otherwise this morning
Quote from: downtown on June 28, 2024, 11:24:44 AMIs the draw already made for the semis , as in Dublin/galway - Kerry/derry will play each other ? I didn't think so but I've been told otherwise this morning
Galway can't meet Derry if both win anyway.
Draw hasn't been done as far as I know.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 28, 2024, 11:08:34 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on June 28, 2024, 09:48:59 AMQuote from: yellowcard on June 28, 2024, 09:46:13 AMA better more in depth squad, then probably. However a lot of the Derry players have been in poor form, they lack real purpose as a team and morale hasn't been great. Can that be turned around in a week on the back of one decent result? Possibly but unlikely I would say. The best Derry can hope for is to turn it into another arm wrestle and stay in the match with 10/15 minutes to go. Very few people realistically expect Derry to win it though so there is probably less pressure on them than last year.
No-one expected us to win last year!
Derry are peaking at the right time - will win by 6. ;D
(thats what the voice in my head is saying)
You didn't win
What?
Someone said there's less pressure this year than last year - for the Kerry game. I merely said we didn't expect to win last year - suggesting there was no more pressure then, than there is now.
Surely you're not still harking back to the Ulster Final? Where we
won?
Quote from: downtown on June 28, 2024, 11:24:44 AMIs the draw already made for the semis , as in Dublin/galway - Kerry/derry will play each other ? I didn't think so but I've been told otherwise this morning
The GAA head doing the live draw last week mentioned that repeat pairings will be avoided again if possible (IIRC). That would mean Galway would avoid Armagh, Dublin avoid Roscommon, Armagh/Derry avoid Donegal, Louth avoid Dublin/Kerry etc.
I think all teams remaining have met at least one of the others along the way so I think the only combination of results this weekend that would yield an entirely open draw Monday morning would be
Galway/Kerry/Donegal/Roscommon
Derry and Armagh teams already posted up here.
Roscommon
Conor Carroll
Niall Higgins Brian Stack Robbie Dolan
David Murray Ronan Daly Eoin McCormack
Enda Smith Ruaidhri Fallon
Ultan Harney Diarmuid Murtagh Shane Cunnane
Daire Cregg Conor Cox Donie Smith
Subs: Colm Lavin,Niall Daly,Conor Hussey,Dylan Ruane,Keith Doyle,Andrew Glennon,Conor Hand,Adam McDermott,Tadhg O'Rourke,Cathal Heneghan,Ciaran Lennon
Dublin unchanged from the draw against Mayo.
Stephen Cluxton
Eoin Murchan, Michael Fitzsimons, Seán McMahon
Brian Howard, John Small, Seán Bugler
Brian Fenton, Tom Lahiff
Niall Scully, Cormac Costello, Ciarán Kilkenny
Paddy Small, Con O'Callaghan, Colm Basquel.
Subs: David O'Hanlon, Theo Clancy, Paul Mannion, Jack McCaffrey, James McCarthy, Ross McGarry, Killian McGinnis, Daire Newcombe, Peadar Ó Cofaigh Byrne, Lorcan O'Dell, Killian O'Gara.
Galway are full strength
Connor Gleeson;
Johnny McGrath, Seán Fitzgerald, Jack Glynn
Dylan McHugh, Liam Silke, Sean Mulkerrin;
Paul Conroy, Seán Kelly
Matthew Tierney, John Maher, Cillian McDaid
Rob Finnerty, Damien Comer, Shane Walsh.
Subs: Conor Flaherty, John Daly, Eoghan Kelly, Daniel O'Flaherty, Kieran Molloy, Cian Hernon, Cian D'Arcy, Johnny Heaney, Liam Ó Conghaile, Tomo Culhane, Niall Daly.
Donegal:
Shaun Patton
Mark Curran, Brendan McCole, Eoghan Bán Gallagher
Ryan McHugh, Caolan McGonagle, Peadar Mogan
Ciarán Moore, Michael Langan
Shane O'Donnell, Ciarán Thompson, Daire Ó Baoill
Paddy McBrearty, Oisín Gallen, Niall O'Donnell.
Subs: Gavin Mulreany, Caolan McColgan, Stephen McMenamin, Odhran Doherty, Conor O'Donnell, Jeaic MacCeallbhuí, Jason McGee, Hugh McFadden, Jamie Brennan, Aaron Doherty, Charles McGuinness.
Louth:
Niall McDonnell
Donal McKenny, Dermot Campbell, Dan Corcoran
Conall McKeever, Anthony Williams, Craig Lennon
Tommy Durnin, Bevan Duffy
Conor Early, Ciarán Keenan, Conor Grimes
Ryan Burns, Sam Mulroy, Ciarán Byrne.
Subs: Craig Lynch, Chris O'Neill, Peter McStravick, Liam Jackson, Dylan McKeown, Ciarán Murphy, Seán Marry, Leonard Grey, Tadhg McDonnell, Paul Mathews, Tom Jackson.
Kerry:
Shane Ryan
Paul Murphy, Jason Foley, Tom O'Sullivan
Brian O Beaglaoich, Tadhg Morley, Gavin White
Diarmuid O'Connor, Joe O'Connor
Tony Brosnan, Paudie Clifford, Dara Moynihan
David Clifford, Sean O'Shea, Paul Geaney.
Subs : Shane Murphy,Dylan Casey,Cillian Burke,Mike Breen,Sean O'Brien,Adrian Spillane,Barry Dan O'Sullivan,Killian Spillane,Stephen O'Brien,Dylan Geaney,Graham O'Sullivan,Darragh Roche,Armin Heinrich
Quote from: yellowcard on June 28, 2024, 09:46:13 AMA better more in depth squad, then probably. However a lot of the Derry players have been in poor form, they lack real purpose as a team and morale hasn't been great. Can that be turned around in a week on the back of one decent result? Possibly but unlikely I would say. The best Derry can hope for is to turn it into another arm wrestle and stay in the match with 10/15 minutes to go. Very few people realistically expect Derry to win it though so there is probably less pressure on them than last year.
This doesn't make sense, they've nothing to turnaround in a week. The Derry team that played last Sat was very close to the team of the last few years... What they have to do this week is recover and stay united / focused. Whatever issues has caused the slump have been addressed, that was clear to see.
Now, can we beat Kerry, of course we can. Can Kerry beat Derry, of course they can. We'll be tighter in defence, but we'll still relentlessly attack in big numbers, it's what this Derry team do.
If Galway really are full strength, that is the game of the weekend for me. Really looking forward to that.
Are Roscommon missing a few?
That Kerry team has some strength to it. Tried and tested. Derry can go into it trying to do something different, or they can go ultra defensive and attack in numbers on the counter. I think they'll stick with the tried and tested approach too. Limit the Kerry forwards as much as possible, then be brave on the attack.
Actually really looking forward to all the games this weekend. I think Louth v Donegal will not be the facile win for Donegal that people think.
Was good to see McKinless back on Saturday - whatever people want to say about the man he is an immense footballer. Covers every blade of grass and gets on serious possession - I thought he was the main reason for Derry's upturn in form on the day.
If their main men can show up they have a chance, I hope they can get over the line as Kerry v Dublin is not the final the rest of the country wants to see regardless of what you're told on RTE.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on June 28, 2024, 03:13:47 PMWas good to see McKinless back on Saturday - whatever people want to say about the man he is an immense footballer. Covers every blade of grass and gets on serious possession - I thought he was the main reason for Derry's upturn in form on the day.
If their main men can show up they have a chance, I hope they can get over the line as Kerry v Dublin is not the final the rest of the country wants to see regardless of what you're told on RTE.
If Dublin and Kerry win lets hope Louth do too!
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 28, 2024, 01:46:57 PM.
Are Roscommon missing a few?
Ben O'Carroll injured.
Conor Daly and Cian McKeon travelling.
Ciaráin Murtagh didn't commit.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 28, 2024, 04:33:16 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on June 28, 2024, 01:46:57 PM.
Are Roscommon missing a few?
Ben O'Carroll injured.
Conor Daly and Cian McKeon travelling.
Ciaráin Murtagh didn't commit.
Didn't realise that. Huge loss.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 28, 2024, 04:33:16 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on June 28, 2024, 01:46:57 PM.
Are Roscommon missing a few?
Ben O'Carroll injured.
Conor Daly and Cian McKeon travelling.
Ciaráin Murtagh didn't commit.
St Brigids midfielder Eddie Nolan would be another not available this year.
Richard Hughes too.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on June 28, 2024, 03:13:47 PMWas good to see McKinless back on Saturday - whatever people want to say about the man he is an immense footballer. Covers every blade of grass and gets on serious possession - I thought he was the main reason for Derry's upturn in form on the day.
If their main men can show up they have a chance, I hope they can get over the line as Kerry v Dublin is not the final the rest of the country wants to see regardless of what you're told on RTE.
McKinless is Derrys main man in my opinion. Without him they couldnt beat Kerry. If Kerry can handle him at weekend they will win
Quote from: NotedObserver on June 28, 2024, 07:07:21 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on June 28, 2024, 03:13:47 PMWas good to see McKinless back on Saturday - whatever people want to say about the man he is an immense footballer. Covers every blade of grass and gets on serious possession - I thought he was the main reason for Derry's upturn in form on the day.
If their main men can show up they have a chance, I hope they can get over the line as Kerry v Dublin is not the final the rest of the country wants to see regardless of what you're told on RTE.
McKinless is Derrys main man in my opinion. Without him they couldnt beat Kerry. If Kerry can handle him at weekend they will win
So hammer the hammer?
Quote from: mouview on June 28, 2024, 12:28:05 PMQuote from: downtown on June 28, 2024, 11:24:44 AMIs the draw already made for the semis , as in Dublin/galway - Kerry/derry will play each other ? I didn't think so but I've been told otherwise this morning
The GAA head doing the live draw last week mentioned that repeat pairings will be avoided again if possible (IIRC). That would mean Galway would avoid Armagh, Dublin avoid Roscommon, Armagh/Derry avoid Donegal, Louth avoid Dublin/Kerry etc.
I think all teams remaining have met at least one of the others along the way so I think the only combination of results this weekend that would yield an entirely open draw Monday morning would be
Galway/Kerry/Donegal/Roscommon
Derry wouldn't avoid Donegal. Just Galway and Armagh.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 24, 2024, 05:43:15 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 24, 2024, 04:32:18 PM1st Rd meeting doesnt apply, Only provincial final and previous round robin meetings.
Incorrect.
Semi-Finals
13-14.07.2024 (Sat/Sun)
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a draw, subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible
Read it again...
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 28, 2024, 09:12:33 PMQuote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 24, 2024, 05:43:15 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 24, 2024, 04:32:18 PM1st Rd meeting doesnt apply, Only provincial final and previous round robin meetings.
Incorrect.
Semi-Finals
13-14.07.2024 (Sat/Sun)
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a draw, subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible
Read it again...
https://x.com/statsandsolos/status/1806784917851803781?s=46&t=F_sQ_3viFZ6zidQYNagDEA (https://x.com/statsandsolos/status/1806784917851803781?s=46&t=F_sQ_3viFZ6zidQYNagDEA)
All the permutations
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 28, 2024, 09:12:33 PMQuote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 24, 2024, 05:43:15 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on June 24, 2024, 04:32:18 PM1st Rd meeting doesnt apply, Only provincial final and previous round robin meetings.
Incorrect.
Semi-Finals
13-14.07.2024 (Sat/Sun)
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a draw, subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible
Read it again...
:D
The semi final draw is really vague 'where possible'. If you are going to have this rule why is it different from the qf where you can draw a provincial opponent as long as it's not the final? At sf stage it should be an open draw. It could be the second year in a row that the Dubs and Kerry are kept apart because of 2 Ulster teams in the semi final.
"where possible" means it is not possible in all scenarios.
Lets get the QF's out of the way before worrying about a draw for SF.
I'll be happy just being in the draw!
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 28, 2024, 09:54:02 PMLets get the QF's out of the way before worrying about a draw for SF.
I'll be happy just being in the draw!
100%. Best of luck to yourselves and safe travels. Be great to see 3 Ulster teams get through. (Although wouldn't mind our neighbours in Leinster winning)
Would be great to see one of Dublin or Kerry beaten
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 29, 2024, 09:18:21 AMWould be great to see one of Dublin or Kerry beaten
Would be no harm alright but with Dublin,Kerry rested and playing Derry,Galway who are facing into their 3rd match in 14 days they will do well to be competitive for 70 plus minutes never mind beating them.
CMON ROS💛💛💛💙💙
Good Luck to Geezer and the Boys today, you's can do it.
(Drizzling in the city now hopefully it clears later).
C'Mon Armagh 🧡🧡🧡
Good luck to Derry and Donegal tomorrow too 😊
Seating fairly strange for this one.
Haven't seen anything available for Lower Cusack sections 306 to 310 at all this week!
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 29, 2024, 10:58:54 AMSeating fairly strange for this one.
Haven't seen anything available for Lower Cusack sections 306 to 310 at all this week!
Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce wanted to see Armagh and thry booked a whole section.
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 29, 2024, 10:58:54 AMSeating fairly strange for this one.
Haven't seen anything available for Lower Cusack sections 306 to 310 at all this week!
Those sections were probably reserved for season ticket holders
Quote from: jmk on June 29, 2024, 11:40:43 AMQuote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 29, 2024, 10:58:54 AMSeating fairly strange for this one.
Haven't seen anything available for Lower Cusack sections 306 to 310 at all this week!
Those sections were probably reserved for season ticket holders
Was thinking that....
Must be serious uptake in comparison to recent years....
Quote from: armaghniac on June 29, 2024, 11:27:02 AMQuote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 29, 2024, 10:58:54 AMSeating fairly strange for this one.
Haven't seen anything available for Lower Cusack sections 306 to 310 at all this week!
Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce wanted to see Armagh and thry booked a whole section.
:'(
Bad accident on M1 before Drogheda. No cars moving at all. Are we in pushing game back territory?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 29, 2024, 09:27:36 AMQuote from: manfromdelmonte on June 29, 2024, 09:18:21 AMWould be great to see one of Dublin or Kerry beaten
Would be no harm alright but with Dublin,Kerry rested and playing Derry,Galway who are facing into their 3rd match in 14 days they will do well to be competitive for 70 plus minutes never mind beating them.
Mayo fans seem to think it's huge, but Derry and Galway have absolutely no problem playing 3 games in 3 weeks. The big questionmark is whether they are good enough, and for Galway it's whether Walsh and/or Comer are fit (and both have been injured in the past in training so it's not just games where you get injured).
Quote from: 5times5times on June 29, 2024, 12:59:49 PMBad accident on M1 before Drogheda. No cars moving at all. Are we in pushing game back territory?
Accident at J14 Ardee and animals on the motorway at J17 Dundalk! But both cleared by 2pm it seems.
Quote from: Hound on June 29, 2024, 03:08:52 PMQuote from: 5times5times on June 29, 2024, 12:59:49 PMBad accident on M1 before Drogheda. No cars moving at all. Are we in pushing game back territory?
Accident at J14 Ardee and animals on the motorway at J17 Dundalk! But both cleared by 2pm it seems.
Now now - no way to talk about Armagh supporters!
Quote from: APM on June 29, 2024, 03:21:22 PMQuote from: Hound on June 29, 2024, 03:08:52 PMQuote from: 5times5times on June 29, 2024, 12:59:49 PMBad accident on M1 before Drogheda. No cars moving at all. Are we in pushing game back territory?
Accident at J14 Ardee and animals on the motorway at J17 Dundalk! But both cleared by 2pm it seems.
Now now - no way to talk about Armagh supporters!
:)
Your man Ben O'Carroll not in Rossies team??
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 29, 2024, 03:38:02 PMYour man Ben O'Carroll not in Rossies team??
Injured I think.
Was serious in the club final.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 29, 2024, 03:39:36 PMQuote from: Walter Cronc on June 29, 2024, 03:38:02 PMYour man Ben O'Carroll not in Rossies team??
Injured I think.
Was serious in the club final.
Big time. He caused us serious bother in AI final.
Quote from: Hound on June 29, 2024, 03:04:27 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on June 29, 2024, 09:27:36 AMQuote from: manfromdelmonte on June 29, 2024, 09:18:21 AMWould be great to see one of Dublin or Kerry beaten
Would be no harm alright but with Dublin,Kerry rested and playing Derry,Galway who are facing into their 3rd match in 14 days they will do well to be competitive for 70 plus minutes never mind beating them.
Mayo fans seem to think it's huge, but Derry and Galway have absolutely no problem playing 3 games in 3 weeks. The big questionmark is whether they are good enough, and for Galway it's whether Walsh and/or Comer are fit (and both have been injured in the past in training so it's not just games where you get injured).
Harte, Joyce have already spoken out about it including trying to keep or get players fit with such a quick turnaround. If done right there should be at least two weeks to prepare for all Quarter finalists. It's a clear scheduling advantage for Kerry,Dublin and not that those two needed any more advantages.
Both Roscommon and Armagh line out as selected. A lot of rain before this match has just started to ease off/stop now.
Great game so far :)
Excellent commentary on shannonside for anyone looking for wireless coverage
Dire game not helped by conditions.
That goal might help liven it up a bit. IN fairness the weather is shocking in Dublin today so we cant be too critical about the quality
Some finish by McCambridge. Last week the Rossie's couldn't miss, they can't hit a barn door today
Lot of handling/slipping errors which is down to conditions.
Should that not have been a black?
I wonder was it the conditions that caused the 2 early Ross injuries ?
That should have at least been a free in to Armagh or the challenge on ONeill
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 29, 2024, 04:24:30 PMLot of handling/slipping errors which is down to conditions.
Should that not have been a black?
Considering what Kilpatrick got a red for in the Roscommon league game, it should have been red.
Roscommon really don't belong in Croke Park
What truly rubbish game of football
rain is forecasted to stop soon. Hopefully the 2nd game is better
Quote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2024, 04:29:38 PMWhat truly rubbish game of football
Coming from a Down man lol.
Thats not a free never mind a yellow. Feel for that lad.
Brutal football.
These lads are training months on months. Poor quality stuff.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 29, 2024, 04:31:39 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2024, 04:29:38 PMWhat truly rubbish game of football
Coming from a Down man lol.
Wouldn't matter where I'm from.
Roscommon play vile football. Armagh play patient counter attacking football.
This is a shit fest and the referee has just made it worse again.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 29, 2024, 04:37:06 PMThats not a free never mind a yellow. Feel for that lad.
It wasn't a great challenge but he got a yellow earlier, which could have been a black and was late with another one after that.
It was coming to him.
The ref will try balance things a bit by favouring Roscommon from now on
Woeful game.
Roscommon toothless and now with the red and injuries will be really up against it.
Armagh not impressing much either. Missed a few scorable frees. No real intensity too it.
Roscommon look tired.
Half time Armagh 1-3 Roscommon 0-4. Low quality error ridden match. Roscommon looking weary after three matches in 14 days and their chances not helped with two important players off injured in Harney and Murray and just before half time Fallon seeing red.
Quote from: marty34 on June 29, 2024, 04:40:00 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 29, 2024, 04:37:06 PMThats not a free never mind a yellow. Feel for that lad.
It wasn't a great challenge but he got a yellow earlier, which could have been a black and was late with another one after that.
It was coming to him.
Yeah thought the early one on TK was a black for sure!
From my angle he could have walked for the first one and the second was the definition of a third man tackle but they don't show it again inside the stadium so can't be certain.
Armagh really need to kick on in the third quarter I feel. They have been wasteful in possession and have kept Roscommon in it. Anyone's match in the second half.
The second one was a square shoulder to man carrying the ball. One of the few legitimate ways to tackle in football. Never a foul.
This ref is brutal. How has he come across on TV?
Quote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2024, 04:48:33 PMThe second one was a square shoulder to man carrying the ball. One of the few legitimate ways to tackle in football. Never a foul.
Ah ok. I thought he had just played the ball away. Need to see it again.
It was a frontal tackle. Clear foul
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 29, 2024, 04:31:39 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2024, 04:29:38 PMWhat truly rubbish game of football
Coming from a Down man lol.
This is moronic shite.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2024, 04:48:33 PMThe second one was a square shoulder to man carrying the ball. One of the few legitimate ways to tackle in football. Never a foul.
It's one of those ones where the ref will always punish the aggresor in that sort of tackle. It's not the typical shoulder to shoulder when running side by side with each other.
It's a foul, he could have walked for the first one and he also had a couple of other fouls. Can have no complaints.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 29, 2024, 04:49:49 PMThis ref is brutal. How has he come across on TV?
He's playing his own rules and not consistently.
Poor referee.
Dirty day I know. But he shouldn't e.g. be awarding yellows when he sees a black card offence.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2024, 04:48:33 PMThe second one was a square shoulder to man carrying the ball. One of the few legitimate ways to tackle in football. Never a foul.
Yeah i didn't think so either. Maybe slightly frontal but Jesus never a second yellow.
Quote from: gallsman on June 29, 2024, 04:53:14 PMIt's a foul, he could have walked for the first one and he also had a couple of other fouls. Can have no complaints.
Can't remember any other fouls than the 2 yellows but fair enough.
A foul but not a 2nd yellow.
Refs been very poor since the sending off
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 29, 2024, 05:03:05 PMRefs been very poor since the sending off
Armagh not getting any close decisions now
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 29, 2024, 04:44:18 PMHalf time Armagh 1-3 Roscommon 0-4. Low quality error ridden match. Roscommon looking weary after three matches in 14 days and their chances not helped with two important players off injured in Harney and Murray and just before half time Fallon seeing red.
14 man Roscommon proving that 3 games in 3 weeks is no bother at all! Utter nonsense to suggest it might be.
But athleticism has never been Roscommon's strong point. If their forwards take their chances, they are still in with a shout despite losing two to injury and the sending off. Although I would rate Armagh higher even if 15v15 so still have to be favourites, but not a foregone conclusion
Sounds like a much better second half!
Goodnight
And that will probably be that.
All over.
Rossie don't have what it takes to claw that back now.
Rossies have beaten themselves here with some major errors
Hard to see any way back for Roscommon now. They had hung in there and that was tired decision making to get caught for the second goal. 2 poor teams on today's display.
Quote from: Hound on June 29, 2024, 05:07:17 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 29, 2024, 04:44:18 PMHalf time Armagh 1-3 Roscommon 0-4. Low quality error ridden match. Roscommon looking weary after three matches in 14 days and their chances not helped with two important players off injured in Harney and Murray and just before half time Fallon seeing red.
14 man Roscommon proving that 3 games in 3 weeks is no bother at all! Utter nonsense to suggest it might be.
But athleticism has never been Roscommon's strong point. If their forwards take their chances, they are still in with a shout despite losing two to injury and the sending off. Although I would rate Armagh higher even if 15v15 so still have to be favourites, but not a foregone conclusion
I beg to differ and very weary performance from them today 2nd goal conceded has summed up their day.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 29, 2024, 05:18:05 PMQuote from: Hound on June 29, 2024, 05:07:17 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 29, 2024, 04:44:18 PMHalf time Armagh 1-3 Roscommon 0-4. Low quality error ridden match. Roscommon looking weary after three matches in 14 days and their chances not helped with two important players off injured in Harney and Murray and just before half time Fallon seeing red.
14 man Roscommon proving that 3 games in 3 weeks is no bother at all! Utter nonsense to suggest it might be.
But athleticism has never been Roscommon's strong point. If their forwards take their chances, they are still in with a shout despite losing two to injury and the sending off. Although I would rate Armagh higher even if 15v15 so still have to be favourites, but not a foregone conclusion
I beg to differ and very weary performance from them today 2nd goal conceded has summed up their day.
Shite kick out routine because they played last week, and they played the week before last?! My god.
According to Shannonside, 3 scoring forwards haven't turned up. And there's another wide, under zero pressure. They're not blaming it on them playing last week! And there are some Rossies who are playing well.
Armagh not good as favourites but look like doing just enough.
Roscommon mistakes have handed this to Armagh. 2 sloppy goals.
Armagh with only 9 points to Roscommon's 11.
Roscommon tiredness maybe, but they are still fighting here, just some awful shooting. 9 wides and I think they said 6 short.
Brutal.
That last shot from Cox sums up Roscommon, terrible decision making. Murtaghs a no show, idiotic red card and big balls up for a goal. They didn't show up today.
Well done Armagh. 6 games in 7 without a goal conceded by Armagh. They will improve for the semi and will relish their underdog status.
Cox and Stack very good for the Rossies but key forwards didn't turn up and it was the goals that was the main difference really.
Deserved to win it, but will need to improve a lot for the next game.
Rossies just couldn't get it together.
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 29, 2024, 05:30:33 PMRoscommon mistakes have handed this to Armagh. 2 sloppy goals.
Armagh with only 9 points to Roscommon's 11.
Roscommon tiredness maybe, but they are still fighting here, just some awful shooting. 9 wides and I think they said 6 short.
Brutal.
Poor shooting is something that I would say is fairly strongly correlated with tiredness, especially of the sort Roscommon had today with the number of shots dropped short.
Also Roscommon had to make 2 subs in the first half - fairly rare you would see that in a championship game - I'm sure that a sports scientist would say there is good odds that is likely related to players having a knock going into the game or the increased likelihood of picking up an injury when playing tired.
Armagh lucky Roscommon were so poor today. Play like they did today in the semi-final and they'll be out.
Congratulations to Armagh into their first All-Ireland semi final for 19 years goals won the game for them. As for the rossies a very weary performance and normally accurate forwards were very wasteful today
Fair play to McCambridge. Scores 1-2 with Murtagh in his back pocket
Rossies never threatened the Armagh goals. Never really looked like a comeback was ever going to happen after the 2nd goal.
I don't think decision making was the biggest issue just bad shooting from Ros. Armagh done enough to win. Solid but not exciting.
That was bang average from Armagh Roscommon will be rueing those missed shots in the second half and what might have been.
Having said that knockout games are about getting to the next round and they're there I'd take the exact same for Derry tomorrow if it was available!
Poor enough performance. Very wasteful and sloppy from Armagh going forward. They struggle against a good press. A big improvement needed but there is room there for it.
Semi final was the minimum necessary for this season. So happy enough to get there.
Mannion, Jack and McCarthy in for the Dubs. All guns loaded.
Poor enough from Armagh but did what had to do nullified all of rossies main men credit to geezer getting that right.forwards poor outside conaty in second half will not be enough to win a semi but good to be there again.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 29, 2024, 05:54:04 PMPoor enough performance. Very wasteful and sloppy from Armagh going forward. They struggle against a good press. A big improvement needed but there is room there for it.
Semi final was the minimum necessary for this season. So happy enough to get there.
Couldn't relax at all. Delighted for the players and management
QuoteMannion, Jack and McCarthy in for the Dubs. All guns loaded.
Dublin going for an early blitz to finish the match early
We fairly fecked up in the 1st half.
Decent effort in 3qtr fecked up by a gift 2nd goal.
☹️☹️😳
Quote from: highorlow on June 29, 2024, 06:08:02 PMQuoteMannion, Jack and McCarthy in for the Dubs. All guns loaded.
Dublin going for an early blitz to finish the match early
Curse of the commentator after the potential of "a real classic" was mentioned twice within the first 6 minutes.
Dublin look good here
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 29, 2024, 06:40:41 PMDublin look good here
Galway look like a team that played 3 games in 3 weeks.
Hanging on by our fingernails.
Dublin getting their scores so much easier.
That was never a throw by Finnerty to Conroy though. Should have been 9-7 but 30 seconds later Dubs go to 10-6
We're only hanging on at the moment and don't look like we can win this
Bizarre decision from Comer to fist that. They're fucked anyway but if Walsh is out they're even more fucked.
Can't see a way back for Galway here, Kelly gone off and Walsh looks injured now and yer man the rookie Dub McMahon has Comer marshalled
Dubs with nearly as many points on the board at half time than Armagh and Roscommon managed over an entire game.
On another note - the pitch in Croke Park looks like it is being cut to shite. Be in some shape by the second game tomorrow
Quote from: galwayman on June 29, 2024, 06:50:40 PMHanging on by our fingernails.
Dublin getting their scores so much easier.
That was never a throw by Finnerty to Conroy though. Should have been 9-7 but 30 seconds later Dubs go to 10-6
We're only hanging on at the moment and don't look like we can win this
Was a clear throw. Pushed it with his fingertips at best.
Dublin with a 0-11 to 0-7 lead at half time. Hopefully Galway can keep it as competitive as possible 2nd half.
QuoteThat was never a throw by Finnerty to Conroy though. Should have been 9-7 but
Fully agree, he had a palm action, it's rare that foul gets pulled.
Have a feel dubs can go up the gears and galway just will get blown away I hope not but looks like that's what could happen
Galway on course to 10th clean sheet in last 11 games. Dublin don't look like scoring goals. Con not in the game other than the two marks.
Should con's third mark have counted - he lost posession when he fell to the ground?
Walsh having one of his better games, you'd have to think they've little chance if he can't continue, hope for the game's sake he can and continue to perform.
Should have been a penalty for Dublin there. Cons shot was blocked by the upper leg of Galway no 7. Definitely a foot block
Quote from: lenny on June 29, 2024, 07:20:20 PMShould have been a penalty for Dublin there. Cons shot was blocked by the upper leg of Galway no 7. Definitely a foot block
lol
Quote from: lenny on June 29, 2024, 07:20:20 PMShould have been a penalty for Dublin there. Cons shot was blocked by the upper leg of Galway no 7. Definitely a foot block
It hit his leg. Wasn't blocked by leg.
Quote from: lenny on June 29, 2024, 07:20:20 PMShould have been a penalty for Dublin there. Cons shot was blocked by the upper leg of Galway no 7. Definitely a foot block
You're stretching there. Dublin making hard work of this
Game on?
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 29, 2024, 07:22:46 PMQuote from: lenny on June 29, 2024, 07:20:20 PMShould have been a penalty for Dublin there. Cons shot was blocked by the upper leg of Galway no 7. Definitely a foot block
It hit his leg. Wasn't blocked by leg.
Exactly the same as mckinless last week.
Never a free for Comer & never a sideline for Galway.
2 point swing.
Congrats to Galway
Well done Galway.
Wow!!!
Great win Galway.
Outstanding result and performance by Galway their best since 2001.
Brilliant second half by Galway. Some great points.
Well done Galway, well worth the win. Didn't see that coming in the first half.
Massive win for Galway. Well deserved. Nerves of steal. Enjoy the night lads. Cillian McDaid had a great second half.
Well well well...
Who would have thunk it?
All we need now is Kerry put out, and we'll have a proper championship
Great stuff Galway.
C'mon now Louth - you're now carrying the Leinster flag.
Brilliant Galway, was sure Dublin were going to equalise at the end
Didn't see that coming at the start of the second half. Dublin looked like they were cruising. Cillian McDaid dragged them back into it.
Well done Galway.
Fair play Galway. Some second half. Fatigue ye say!!
Well that's put the cat amongst the pigeons
Be 6 teams believing tonight.
Unreal. Subs fairly stood up and the pure hunger their defenders showed was a joy to watch.
Brilliant Galway....some result.
Weekend for the underdogs?
Quote from: mrdeeds on June 29, 2024, 07:22:46 PMQuote from: lenny on June 29, 2024, 07:20:20 PMShould have been a penalty for Dublin there. Cons shot was blocked by the upper leg of Galway no 7. Definitely a foot block
It hit his leg. Wasn't blocked by leg.
Yes but he lifted his foot by 1cm to make the contact, therefore a nailed on foot block.
I thought both teams were throwing the game away in the last 5 mins but Dublin were better in that department. That was a brilliant 2nd half from Galway considering how the first half went and with Sean Hurson gifting the Dubs an easy late free.
Fantastic 2nd half, didn't see that coming at half time. Championship is wide open now. Hard luck to Dubs, a great team and was going to take a special effort to beat them.
IF Derry were to win tomorrow would it just be 4 teams in a bowl, a la FA Cup, as a repeat group pairing can't be prevented.
Terrible 2nd half from the Dubs. Got what they deserved
You'd have to say the momentum galway got from 3 games in 3 weeks stood to them there.
If Donegal and Derry win, what way does that leave it? Open draw?
Quote from: 5times5times on June 29, 2024, 08:08:17 PMIf Donegal and Derry win, what way does that leave it? Open draw?
Well then we'd have played all 3. Maybe Galway vs Donegal as they havent played and us vs Derry? "Avoid repeat pairing where possible". Galway Donegal would be the only way of avoiding repeat pairing for one game anyway.
Quote from: cornerback on June 29, 2024, 07:36:37 PMNever a free for Comer & never a sideline for Galway.
2 point swing.
That was a big moment, a turning point that gave Galway the real belief they could do it.
But there was still a lot of work to do in the final quarter to outscore the Dubs, and boy did they grab it with both hands. And all the Mayo lads saying in this thread that it was impossible to play 3 games in 3 weeks!! Maybe that's the difference between a positive outlook rather than doom and gloom
Well done Galway. In a one point game there are always lot of incidents you can point to on both sides, but absolutely no complaints. We really should have taken it to ET, but Galway didn't let us. I find the Galway team a very likeable bunch of lads. Congrats, enjoy the night and give it your all in the semi.
Brilliant Galway....some result.
Weekend for the underdogs?
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 29, 2024, 08:13:53 PMBrilliant Galway....some result.
Weekend for the underdogs?
Say it often enough it mite come true Brick 😆
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 29, 2024, 08:12:46 PMQuote from: 5times5times on June 29, 2024, 08:08:17 PMIf Donegal and Derry win, what way does that leave it? Open draw?
Well then we'd have played all 3. Maybe Galway vs Donegal as they havent played and us vs Derry? "Avoid repeat pairing where possible". Galway Donegal would be the only way of avoiding repeat pairing for one game anyway.
If Derry win it's an open draw.
Otherwise repeat pairings can be avoided.
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Congratulations to Galway, no disrespect to the Dubs have been a great team but no harm to see them knocked out so soon
Up there with the best championship results Galway have produced when you consider today was their 3rd match in 14 days and up against a rested Dublin in their home patch. The rossies in the earlier match showed all the signs of that tough schedule especially their shooting and case not helped of course with playing the all of the 2nd half with 14 men.
Serious belief and momentum for Galway now going into the semi final and it will take a top team to beat them now.
Quote from: cornerback on June 29, 2024, 08:21:35 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 29, 2024, 08:12:46 PMQuote from: 5times5times on June 29, 2024, 08:08:17 PMIf Donegal and Derry win, what way does that leave it? Open draw?
Well then we'd have played all 3. Maybe Galway vs Donegal as they havent played and us vs Derry? "Avoid repeat pairing where possible". Galway Donegal would be the only way of avoiding repeat pairing for one game anyway.
If Derry win it's an open draw.
Otherwise repeat pairings can be avoided.
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How can it not be (IF Donegal and Derry did manage to win) Galway v Donegal and Derry v Armagh?
The beast has been slain! Well done Galway. Hope they land Sam now.
One lousy Sam McGuire in 4 years, and some of you want us split!
Doh!
Playing McCarty, McCaffery and Mannion from the start looks to have backfired
Quote from: JoG2 on June 29, 2024, 08:36:20 PMQuote from: cornerback on June 29, 2024, 08:21:35 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 29, 2024, 08:12:46 PMQuote from: 5times5times on June 29, 2024, 08:08:17 PMIf Donegal and Derry win, what way does that leave it? Open draw?
Well then we'd have played all 3. Maybe Galway vs Donegal as they havent played and us vs Derry? "Avoid repeat pairing where possible". Galway Donegal would be the only way of avoiding repeat pairing for one game anyway.
If Derry win it's an open draw.
Otherwise repeat pairings can be avoided.
https://x.com/statsandsolos/status/1807126036414378150?s=46&t=F_sQ_3viFZ6zidQYNagDEA (https://x.com/statsandsolos/status/1807126036414378150?s=46&t=F_sQ_3viFZ6zidQYNagDEA)
How can it not be (IF Donegal and Derry did manage to win) Galway v Donegal and Derry v Armagh?
At semi-final stage it's avoid all possible repeat pairings (entire championship).
Different to quarter final that is avoid group pairings & provincial final
Quote from: highorlow on June 29, 2024, 08:47:30 PMPlaying McCarty, McCaffery and Mannion from the start looks to have backfired
You wouldn't see McGeeney doing that!
Quote from: highorlow on June 29, 2024, 08:47:30 PMPlaying McCarty, McCaffery and Mannion from the start looks to have backfired
Found that decision most odd. The key to Dublin's dominance has always been bringing in impact subs in the third quarter. The next Dublin generation are all good players but they don't have that impact (thankfully).
Also found the decision to withdraw free takers in a tight game to be most odd.
Quote from: highorlow on June 29, 2024, 08:47:30 PMPlaying McCarty, McCaffery and Mannion from the start looks to have backfired
I was wondering about that. Would it have been better to bring the latter two on towards the end, with tiring defenders to run at? Kind of a damned-if-you-do scenario for Dessie.
Honestly I could not see that second half performance coming.
Only a quarter final of course but probably one of my proudest days as a Galway football supporter - and I've seen a lot of them over the past 40 or so years!
Just the sheer guts of that second half display & the fact that I didn't think we had it in us.
With Kelly, Walsh and Finnerty gone off and Comer well held to dig it out like that was a serious effort.
The lads that came in all did their bit to get us over the line.
Dublin probably should have brought it to extra time at the death (which would have been self inflicted with an awful giveaway of possession) but we'll take it!
It kind of reminded me a small bit of the Mayo Dublin semi final in 2021 the way the tide turned in the second half.
Quote from: galwayman on June 29, 2024, 09:00:16 PMIt kind of reminded me a small bit of the Mayo Dublin semi final in 2021 the way the tide turned in the second half.
Very much so. Just like that game, Dublin tried to blow you away in the first half, but you hung on there, and Dublin ran out of steam during the second half.
McCaffrey in particular was a strange one. Not sure where he was supposed to be playing. I've never seen him look as ineffective.
Quote from: galwayman on June 29, 2024, 09:00:16 PMHonestly I could not see that second half performance coming.
Only a quarter final of course but probably one of my proudest days as a Galway football supporter - and I've seen a lot of them over the past 40 or so years!
Just the sheer guts of that second half display & the fact that I didn't think we had it in us.
With Kelly, Walsh and Finnerty gone off and Comer well held to dig it out like that was a serious effort.
The lads that came in all did their bit to get us over the line.
Dublin probably should have brought it to extra time at the death (which would have been self inflicted with an awful giveaway of possession) but we'll take it!
It kind of reminded me a small bit of the Mayo Dublin semi final in 2021 the way the tide turned in the second half.
Great stuff. Enjoy. Cut out the bad wides and your lads are serious contenders, with the heart they showed in second half.
I thought the permutations were.
If Louth and Kerry win
Then Louth will be drawn to play either Galway or Armagh, Kerry will play the other.
If Louth and Derry win then it's a fully open draw.
If Donegal and Kerry win then it's Donegal v Galway and Armagh v Kerry. Edit this is a fully open draw too
Nope I'm wrong.
If Donegal and Derry win then Donegal are drawn to play Galway or Derry and Armagh play the other.
So I don't think there's anyway Donegal can draw Armagh.
Any outcome other than a penalty shoot loss was a bonus for me.
Quote from: highorlow on June 29, 2024, 06:53:50 PMCan't see a way back for Galway here, Kelly gone off and Walsh looks injured now and yer man the rookie Dub McMahon has Comer marshalled
There's always a way.
Great for Armagh to finally reach All-Ireland semi final however today's performance against a wasteful and 14 man Roscommon will need to improve a lot to win and reach the final.
Fair play to Galway serious fitness to first stick with Dublin and then have the belief and determination to see out the win. Looks like the group Armagh topped was the strongest and Derry might just fancy themselves against Kerry tomorrow?
Armaghs All Ireland to lose.
Quote from: jcpen on June 29, 2024, 09:50:24 PMArmaghs All Ireland to lose.
Absolutely. Nailed on.
People are viewing it as an end of an era but Dublin will still win more All Irelands this decade. I said the same after they lost to Mayo in 2021.
I think it will be a Donegal Kerry final.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on June 29, 2024, 09:52:59 PMPeople are viewing it as an end of an era but Dublin will still win more All Irelands this decade. I said the same after they lost to Mayo in 2021.
I think it will be a Donegal Kerry final.
An end of an era in the sense that there will no longer be total domination of the AI I hope. A period like the 90s would be nice.
Quote from: jcpen on June 29, 2024, 09:50:24 PMArmaghs All Ireland to lose.
You're about 8 weeks late to the party!
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on June 29, 2024, 09:52:59 PMPeople are viewing it as an end of an era but Dublin will still win more All Irelands this decade. I said the same after they lost to Mayo in 2021.
I think it will be a Donegal Kerry final.
I remember thinking that the dwindling of the Connolly-Brogan-Flynn axis of freescoring evil would bring the Dubs back to earth.
But as it turned out, Kilkenny, Mannion, Rock, O'Callaghan, Costello was an even more evil axis of free scoring, and they had Fenton providing the engine.
This time though I'm certain the Dubs are being reeled into the pack. The next generation after these guys are athletic, talented and well drilled, but they don't bring the same scoring power. And for now they don't appear either to have a generation coming behind to phase them out.
Indeed they might even lose a Leinster game in the next 5 years.
(Watch now whilst Dublin unearth 2 free scoring gems).
Quote from: bennydorano on June 27, 2024, 11:11:50 PMYou wouldn't think Armagh are 2/5 or 1/3 shots listening to some of the pods/ twitter. Uncertainty over Armagh is very understandable, not sure what I think yet!
I've a sneaky feeling Galway could upset the applecart this weekend. Unfortunately for Derry, I think Kerry really have something to prove to themselves and to everyone else, think they'll come out with all guns blazing and no complacency. Hard to see past a comfortable Donegal win.
I'd more faith in Galway than the Galwegians and than in Armagh. So glad I stayed fo the end after a half time discussion about heading on, Galway were great in the second half and the noise and scenes around us at the end were really great to see, I believe Pauric Joyce's 2 sisters were behind us and Jesus they roared.
As for Armagh, I said to a mate a neutral watching that probably thought we were in cruise control in the 2nd half but I thought it was very nervy for a long long time. We played pretty poorly and still won comfortably enough which is both heartening & worrying. Some pretty poor performances seemed to go totally under the radar, 5 subs made and not to good effect, there were boys left on the pitch who were terrible imo. Good to get it over the line.
Conditions were pretty bad, the pitch did take some battering.
Why is Saturday game not on
Quote from: Mario on June 29, 2024, 10:39:06 PMWhy is Saturday game not on
Euro coverage running late
Can't believe someone above was making claims for a foot block.
Simple rule of thumb folks: if you place your foot (or leg) in the kicking path of the attacker, then it's a foot block. Otherwise it's not.
The purpose of the rule is to protect the kicker from injury. Nothing more, nothing less.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2024, 11:02:58 PMCan't believe someone above was making claims for a foot block.
People are twats. Nothing more to it. It was night and day compared to McKinless last week.
Quote from: jcpen on June 29, 2024, 09:50:24 PMArmaghs All Ireland to lose.
Stick to thoughts about your own Laois with a big Tailteann cup final coming up and chance to gain revenge for that embarrassing defeat to Down last year.
Quote from: gallsman on June 29, 2024, 11:07:14 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2024, 11:02:58 PMCan't believe someone above was making claims for a foot block.
People are twats. Nothing more to it. It was night and day compared to McKinless last week.
If you kick the ball off someone's arse/thigh is it not a foot block and a penalty?
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on June 29, 2024, 09:52:59 PMPeople are viewing it as an end of an era but Dublin will still win more All Irelands this decade. I said the same after they lost to Mayo in 2021.
Felt more of end of an era about Dublin today than 2021. A lot of players in their 30 years on that Dublin starting team today with a lot of mileage on the clock, bench impact not as it use to be especially today when choosing to start Jack McCaffrey, James McCarthy
A lot of Dublin's senior success was built/helped along with their success at U21 level 2010 to 2017. Last 4 years they haven't won U20 Leinster title in comparison. I feel the next decade will be opportunity for plenty of counties to share the All Ireland titles.
John Small got some experience today.
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 29, 2024, 11:25:14 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 29, 2024, 11:07:14 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2024, 11:02:58 PMCan't believe someone above was making claims for a foot block.
People are twats. Nothing more to it. It was night and day compared to McKinless last week.
If you kick the ball off someone's arse/thigh is it not a foot block and a penalty?
If the defender moves his body (rather than his arms) into a position that would prevent the attacker finishing his kicking plane, then it's a foul. For dangerous play.
If an attacker can finish his kicking plane and the ball hits the defender anywhere from his hair to his toes, then it's not a foul, but a poorly executed kick.
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 29, 2024, 11:25:14 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 29, 2024, 11:07:14 PMQuote from: thewobbler on June 29, 2024, 11:02:58 PMCan't believe someone above was making claims for a foot block.
People are twats. Nothing more to it. It was night and day compared to McKinless last week.
If you kick the ball off someone's arse/thigh is it not a foot block and a penalty?
If you kick the ball off someone's foot, it may not be a foot block or penalty either.
Because it isn't determined by what you do. It is determined by what the other person does.
RTE with a good few angles of the second Fallon yellow. A clear foul and yellow card. "Shoulder to shoulder" my hole.
Parkinson, the f**king eejit, was calling it the worst red card decision ever ;D
Can you arse the ball? Like block it with yer arse at the point of contact?
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on June 29, 2024, 09:52:59 PMPeople are viewing it as an end of an era but Dublin will still win more All Irelands this decade. I said the same after they lost to Mayo in 2021.
I think it will be a Donegal Kerry final.
In the next 3 to 4 years Dublin have to replace 13 players: Cluxton, Murchan, Fitzsimmons, J Small, Kilkenny, MccAffrey, McCarthy, Mannion, Costello, Basquel, Fenton, O'Callaghan, Scully.
And most of those will be in the next 1 to 2 years.
Plus they have to do that without successful minor or u20 teams to pluck from.
If they don't win in 2025, I expect they won't win again this decade.
I wouldn't be banking on it. There isn't a pile else out there.
I don't think the U20 All Irelands of recent years give you much insight into who is expected to be a dominant force at senior anytime soon.
Quote from: Rebel84 on June 29, 2024, 11:48:37 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 29, 2024, 11:39:17 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on June 29, 2024, 09:52:59 PMPeople are viewing it as an end of an era but Dublin will still win more All Irelands this decade. I said the same after they lost to Mayo in 2021.
I think it will be a Donegal Kerry final.
In the next 3 to 4 years Dublin have to replace 13 players: Cluxton, Murchan, Fitzsimmons, J Small, Kilkenny, MccAffrey, McCarthy, Mannion, Costello, Basquel, Fenton, O'Callaghan, Scully.
And most of those will be in the next 1 to 2 years.
Plus they have to do that without successful minor or u20 teams to pluck from.
If they don't win in 2025, I expect they won't win again this decade.
They appear to have a lot of players around the 31 mark. They could get one more out of that group of players but it would have to be in 2025.
You don't need to have successful U-20 teams, you can take a couple of players each year from those squads. It's not necessary for the team to win a competition to supply a senior team.
Quote from: ONeill on June 29, 2024, 11:35:18 PMCan you arse the ball? Like block it with yer arse at the point of contact?
No that's a penalty 100% against the offending player and a yellow card for the Keeper....
Quote from: blanketattack on June 29, 2024, 11:39:17 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on June 29, 2024, 09:52:59 PMPeople are viewing it as an end of an era but Dublin will still win more All Irelands this decade. I said the same after they lost to Mayo in 2021.
I think it will be a Donegal Kerry final.
In the next 3 to 4 years Dublin have to replace 13 players: Cluxton, Murchan, Fitzsimmons, J Small, Kilkenny, MccAffrey, McCarthy, Mannion, Costello, Basquel, Fenton, O'Callaghan, Scully.
And most of those will be in the next 1 to 2 years.
Plus they have to do that without successful minor or u20 teams to pluck from.
If they don't win in 2025, I expect they won't win again this decade.
Con is only a young buck yet is he not?? Or how old am I getting? :o
Quote from: gallsman on June 29, 2024, 11:34:31 PMRTE with a good few angles of the second Fallon yellow. A clear foul and yellow card. "Shoulder to shoulder" my hole.
Parkinson, the f**king eejit, was calling it the worst red card decision ever ;D
Having seen it again I think it was harsher than I first thought but at the same time was an awful and unnecessary risk for Fallon to take. He made the referee make a decision and he had no need to.
I think the first one was a clear black card as well not yellow.
Great result for a Galway team operating with so many key men hobbled.
Walsh has always been hit or miss, but today was hit and showed plenty of fight even coming out for the 2nd half. Comer was excellent the last quarter, again, you can see he's not fully right, but played a great target man role. The worry with Galway will be the fitness of those guys in 2 weeks time.
Dessie's tactic of starting the big guns misfired badly and I think might have been complacence? He really didn't think Galway with their injuries would put it up to Dublin and figured that it would be a good chance to get minutes into the lads. Even as he was bringing them off, Dublin didn't look in real danger - Mannion was taken off to give basquel a run out, they were still a couple up. It looked like the dubs sort of sleep walked into defeat, thinking they'd pull away when they felt like it. Some super defending from Galway, half back line in particular was superb. Lose Kerry tomorrow and what a championship we could have!
Quote from: David McKeown on June 30, 2024, 01:15:49 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 29, 2024, 11:34:31 PMRTE with a good few angles of the second Fallon yellow. A clear foul and yellow card. "Shoulder to shoulder" my hole.
Parkinson, the f**king eejit, was calling it the worst red card decision ever ;D
Having seen it again I think it was harsher than I first thought but at the same time was an awful and unnecessary risk for Fallon to take. He made the referee make a decision and he had no need to.
I think the first one was a clear black card as well not yellow.
I thought the first card merited a red card on its own - totally reckless challenge that could seriously injure an opponent.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 30, 2024, 12:43:50 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 29, 2024, 11:39:17 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on June 29, 2024, 09:52:59 PMPeople are viewing it as an end of an era but Dublin will still win more All Irelands this decade. I said the same after they lost to Mayo in 2021.
I think it will be a Donegal Kerry final.
In the next 3 to 4 years Dublin have to replace 13 players: Cluxton, Murchan, Fitzsimmons, J Small, Kilkenny, MccAffrey, McCarthy, Mannion, Costello, Basquel, Fenton, O'Callaghan, Scully.
And most of those will be in the next 1 to 2 years.
Plus they have to do that without successful minor or u20 teams to pluck from.
If they don't win in 2025, I expect they won't win again this decade.
Con is only a young buck yet is he not?? Or how old am I getting? :o
28.
29 in next year's Championship so should be good for 3 or 4 more years.
A fabulous player but his performances in Dublin's biggest game of the season have been below par in recent years.
2021: 1 pt v Mayo, anonymous
2022: injured
2023: Scoreless in All-Ireland Final
2024: 1 pt from play v Galway, pretty decent but the old Con, or should I say the young Con would have buried the goal chance and kicked an equalising point at the end.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 30, 2024, 12:43:50 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 29, 2024, 11:39:17 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on June 29, 2024, 09:52:59 PMPeople are viewing it as an end of an era but Dublin will still win more All Irelands this decade. I said the same after they lost to Mayo in 2021.
I think it will be a Donegal Kerry final.
In the next 3 to 4 years Dublin have to replace 13 players: Cluxton, Murchan, Fitzsimmons, J Small, Kilkenny, MccAffrey, McCarthy, Mannion, Costello, Basquel, Fenton, O'Callaghan, Scully.
And most of those will be in the next 1 to 2 years.
Plus they have to do that without successful minor or u20 teams to pluck from.
If they don't win in 2025, I expect they won't win again this decade.
Con is only a young buck yet is he not?? Or how old am I getting? :o
28 Con is now. Eight of Dublin's outfield players was in their 30s today. The youngest starters McMahon,Bugler. Howard 26.
Quote from: screenexile on June 28, 2024, 09:22:07 AMMaybe I'm letting my heart take over my head here but if you take out the Donegal and Armagh performances we actually have a better team this year than we had playing Kerry last year!
Baker at corner back frees up McEvoy into HB and Lachlan Murray in Corner forward is an upgrade too.
Our bench is stronger as well with Toner/Loughlin/Bradley/Murphy/Gilmore to come in whereas we were a lot lighter in that department last year.
I'm not saying we'll win but if the lads aren't wrecked after last weekend I think we can give Kerry a right rattle again!
Whilst last week was massive improvement, we won't beat Kerry playing that sort of football. Last week was back to basics, defensive football with very limited attacking threat. The reason why we ran Kerry close last year was because we ran at them and were utterly positive from the get go. That requires a confidence which has been blown to pieces by Jim 8 weeks ago.
Our attack last week was similar to what we showed v Galway in the '22 semi, but we need more of what we showed v Kerry in '23 and on numerous occasions since.
We have to be brave, but sensible! What we've shown the last few months has been miles away from what is needed, but we know it's in there and maybe there'll come a moment tomorrow when it starts to click again, couple of early goals from clucky and mckinless and it'll all come flooding back ;)
Quote from: David McKeown on June 30, 2024, 01:15:49 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 29, 2024, 11:34:31 PMRTE with a good few angles of the second Fallon yellow. A clear foul and yellow card. "Shoulder to shoulder" my hole.
Parkinson, the f**king eejit, was calling it the worst red card decision ever ;D
Having seen it again I think it was harsher than I first thought but at the same time was an awful and unnecessary risk for Fallon to take. He made the referee make a decision and he had no need to.
I think the first one was a clear black card as well not yellow.
It was a frontal charge into his chest and stomach. For some reason Fallon decided to bea near double over. He also made sure he stuck the elbow in. How on earth was it harsh?!
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 29, 2024, 11:57:01 PMI wouldn't be banking on it. There isn't a pile else out there.
I don't think the U20 All Irelands of recent years give you much insight into who is expected to be a dominant force at senior anytime soon.
6 Of The GalwayU20 All Ire Winning Team From 2020 Have Come Through Mc Grath.Fitzgerald,Glynn,Hernon,Tierny,Culhane And also P Kelly another in Squad
Which is a Great no To bring Through.
The Exciting Thing for Galway was the Younger Players were more than ready to carry the day.
The Majority of Galway Squad is 26 or under.
Quote from: GalwayBay1966 on June 30, 2024, 07:38:45 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 29, 2024, 11:57:01 PMI wouldn't be banking on it. There isn't a pile else out there.
I don't think the U20 All Irelands of recent years give you much insight into who is expected to be a dominant force at senior anytime soon.
6 Of The GalwayU20 All Ire Winning Team From 2020 Have Come Through Mc Grath.Fitzgerald,Glynn,Hernon,Tierny,Culhane And also P Kelly another in Squad
Which is a Great no To bring Through.
The Exciting Thing for Galway was the Younger Players were more than ready to carry the day.
The Majority of Galway Squad is 26 or under.
Also interesting to note Galway 21 Team Of 2017 That Lost The All Ire Final to Dublin Contained Mc Daid,Mc Hugh,K Molloy S Kelly,FinnertyC Darcy and Peter Coooke Who also would be there but for working away a Great no again Who have Come Throug
The Dublin Team was Pretty Goood Comerford,S Mc Mahon,Murchan,C Murphy,Howard,C Basquel,O Callaghan,P Small
That W as a Vintage U21 Final for Sure The Last Sadly At U 21 Sadly
Quote from: gallsman on June 30, 2024, 06:53:30 AMQuote from: David McKeown on June 30, 2024, 01:15:49 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 29, 2024, 11:34:31 PMRTE with a good few angles of the second Fallon yellow. A clear foul and yellow card. "Shoulder to shoulder" my hole.
Parkinson, the f**king eejit, was calling it the worst red card decision ever ;D
Having seen it again I think it was harsher than I first thought but at the same time was an awful and unnecessary risk for Fallon to take. He made the referee make a decision and he had no need to.
I think the first one was a clear black card as well not yellow.
It was a frontal charge into his chest and stomach. For some reason Fallon decided to bea near double over. He also made sure he stuck the elbow in. How on earth was it harsh?!
It was certainly a yellow card, in between the 2 yellow cards that he got, there was another rash challenge, not a yellow card offence, but not far off it either. Only himself to blame.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 30, 2024, 01:29:00 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 30, 2024, 12:43:50 AMQuote from: blanketattack on June 29, 2024, 11:39:17 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on June 29, 2024, 09:52:59 PMPeople are viewing it as an end of an era but Dublin will still win more All Irelands this decade. I said the same after they lost to Mayo in 2021.
I think it will be a Donegal Kerry final.
In the next 3 to 4 years Dublin have to replace 13 players: Cluxton, Murchan, Fitzsimmons, J Small, Kilkenny, MccAffrey, McCarthy, Mannion, Costello, Basquel, Fenton, O'Callaghan, Scully.
And most of those will be in the next 1 to 2 years.
Plus they have to do that without successful minor or u20 teams to pluck from.
If they don't win in 2025, I expect they won't win again this decade.
Con is only a young buck yet is he not?? Or how old am I getting? :o
28 Con is now. Eight of Dublin's outfield players was in their 30s today. The youngest starters McMahon,Bugler. Howard 26.
Jesus I am getting old. Was it 2018 he gave Keegan the roasting?
They need some new blood badly then. It was strange yesterday they missed a proper leader bar Con to make something happen at the end whereas 5 years ago their would have been a team full of them.
Full credit to Galway though the defending was absolute savage late on.
Quote from: gallsman on June 30, 2024, 06:53:30 AMQuote from: David McKeown on June 30, 2024, 01:15:49 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 29, 2024, 11:34:31 PMRTE with a good few angles of the second Fallon yellow. A clear foul and yellow card. "Shoulder to shoulder" my hole.
Parkinson, the f**king eejit, was calling it the worst red card decision ever ;D
Having seen it again I think it was harsher than I first thought but at the same time was an awful and unnecessary risk for Fallon to take. He made the referee make a decision and he had no need to.
I think the first one was a clear black card as well not yellow.
It was a frontal charge into his chest and stomach. For some reason Fallon decided to bea near double over. He also made sure he stuck the elbow in. How on earth was it harsh?!
Good hit I thought maybe slightly frontal. But he had a challenge on Rian O'Neill before that which should have been yellow, ball was in the air and he doesn't even look at the ball and takes Rian out. First one was the definition of a black card I thought and a different ref could have given red so he can't really complain.
Quote from: onefineday on June 30, 2024, 01:22:38 AMGreat result for a Galway team operating with so many key men hobbled.
Walsh has always been hit or miss, but today was hit and showed plenty of fight even coming out for the 2nd half. Comer was excellent the last quarter, again, you can see he's not fully right, but played a great target man role. The worry with Galway will be the fitness of those guys in 2 weeks time.
Dessie's tactic of starting the big guns misfired badly and I think might have been complacence? He really didn't think Galway with their injuries would put it up to Dublin and figured that it would be a good chance to get minutes into the lads. Even as he was bringing them off, Dublin didn't look in real danger - Mannion was taken off to give basquel a run out, they were still a couple up. It looked like the dubs sort of sleep walked into defeat, thinking they'd pull away when they felt like it. Some super defending from Galway, half back line in particular was superb. Lose Kerry tomorrow and what a championship we could have!
Galway won't have any fear of Kerry and would probably love a cut at them after 2 years ago so I think we're going to have a great championship anyway, it is wide open now.
Quote from: GalwayBay1966 on June 30, 2024, 07:38:45 AMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 29, 2024, 11:57:01 PMI wouldn't be banking on it. There isn't a pile else out there.
I don't think the U20 All Irelands of recent years give you much insight into who is expected to be a dominant force at senior anytime soon.
6 Of The GalwayU20 All Ire Winning Team From 2020 Have Come Through Mc Grath.Fitzgerald,Glynn,Hernon,Tierny,Culhane And also P Kelly another in Squad
Which is a Great no To bring Through.
The Exciting Thing for Galway was the Younger Players were more than ready to carry the day.
The Majority of Galway Squad is 26 or under.
Younger lads fair stood up today. There was a lad with a ropey enough haircut number 20 something who won a lot of dirty ball, was very impressed with him.
Fair play to Galway. Wish I had have stayed for the second half. Think that result will give Louth and Derry belief today
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 30, 2024, 12:07:21 AMQuote from: Rebel84 on June 29, 2024, 11:48:37 PMQuote from: blanketattack on June 29, 2024, 11:39:17 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on June 29, 2024, 09:52:59 PMPeople are viewing it as an end of an era but Dublin will still win more All Irelands this decade. I said the same after they lost to Mayo in 2021.
I think it will be a Donegal Kerry final.
In the next 3 to 4 years Dublin have to replace 13 players: Cluxton, Murchan, Fitzsimmons, J Small, Kilkenny, MccAffrey, McCarthy, Mannion, Costello, Basquel, Fenton, O'Callaghan, Scully.
And most of those will be in the next 1 to 2 years.
Plus they have to do that without successful minor or u20 teams to pluck from.
If they don't win in 2025, I expect they won't win again this decade.
They appear to have a lot of players around the 31 mark. They could get one more out of that group of players but it would have to be in 2025.
You don't need to have successful U-20 teams, you can take a couple of players each year from those squads. It's not necessary for the team to win a competition to supply a senior team.
The 3 multi All-Ireland winning teams this century; Kerry, Tyrone and Dublin all had 8 or 9 players that had won u21 All-Irelands.
Quote from: ardtole on June 30, 2024, 08:14:12 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 30, 2024, 06:53:30 AMQuote from: David McKeown on June 30, 2024, 01:15:49 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 29, 2024, 11:34:31 PMRTE with a good few angles of the second Fallon yellow. A clear foul and yellow card. "Shoulder to shoulder" my hole.
Parkinson, the f**king eejit, was calling it the worst red card decision ever ;D
Having seen it again I think it was harsher than I first thought but at the same time was an awful and unnecessary risk for Fallon to take. He made the referee make a decision and he had no need to.
I think the first one was a clear black card as well not yellow.
It was a frontal charge into his chest and stomach. For some reason Fallon decided to bea near double over. He also made sure he stuck the elbow in. How on earth was it harsh?!
It was certainly a yellow card, in between the 2 yellow cards that he got, there was another rash challenge, not a yellow card offence, but not far off it either. Only himself to blame.
Re the first yellow card - Greg McCabe got a straight red for the exact same type of challenge v Galway in the 2022 Q/F, a full frontal shoulder- how on earth can that be considered a black card yesterday?? Didn't see it clearly at the game but looked a straight red to me last night on tv, the 2nd looked softish at the game but yellow on tv, again he really can have no complaints- 2 shockingly poor executed 'shoulders', but conditions underfoot were poor - his only mitigation and I don't think that cuts it either tbh.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 30, 2024, 09:47:04 AMQuote from: ardtole on June 30, 2024, 08:14:12 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 30, 2024, 06:53:30 AMQuote from: David McKeown on June 30, 2024, 01:15:49 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 29, 2024, 11:34:31 PMRTE with a good few angles of the second Fallon yellow. A clear foul and yellow card. "Shoulder to shoulder" my hole.
Parkinson, the f**king eejit, was calling it the worst red card decision ever ;D
Having seen it again I think it was harsher than I first thought but at the same time was an awful and unnecessary risk for Fallon to take. He made the referee make a decision and he had no need to.
I think the first one was a clear black card as well not yellow.
It was a frontal charge into his chest and stomach. For some reason Fallon decided to bea near double over. He also made sure he stuck the elbow in. How on earth was it harsh?!
It was certainly a yellow card, in between the 2 yellow cards that he got, there was another rash challenge, not a yellow card offence, but not far off it either. Only himself to blame.
Re the first yellow card - Greg McCabe got a straight red for the exact same type of challenge v Galway in the 2022 Q/F, a full frontal shoulder- how on earth can that be considered a black card yesterday?? Didn't see it clearly at the game but looked a straight red to me last night on tv, the 2nd looked softish at the game but yellow on tv, again he really can have no complaints- 2 shockingly poor executed 'shoulders', but conditions underfoot were poor - his only mitigation and I don't think that cuts it either tbh.
Which was a disgraceful call. Contact is being taken out of the game ffs.
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 30, 2024, 12:09:45 AMQuote from: ONeill on June 29, 2024, 11:35:18 PMCan you arse the ball? Like block it with yer arse at the point of contact?
No that's a penalty 100% against the offending player and a yellow card for the Keeper....
An arse block is one of the most dangerous acts in football. The opponents foot could get caught in the crack of the arse, causing him to fall over and do both cruciates. Punishment is a straight red to the arse blocker, his nearest 3 team mates and the whole backroom team.
Good result for Armagh yesterday, not the best performance in the world but it didn't need to be and I felt like the result was never really in doubt.
Dublin getting beat was a surprise and opens the draw up now. I'd still have Kerry as favourites but Armagh, Galway and Donegal will all feel like they've a good chance now.
Quote from: Itchy on June 30, 2024, 10:20:35 AMQuote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 30, 2024, 12:09:45 AMQuote from: ONeill on June 29, 2024, 11:35:18 PMCan you arse the ball? Like block it with yer arse at the point of contact?
No that's a penalty 100% against the offending player and a yellow card for the Keeper....
An arse block is one of the most dangerous acts in football. The opponents foot could get caught in the crack of the arse, causing him to fall over and do both cruciates. Punishment is a straight red to the arse blocker, his nearest 3 team mates and the whole backroom team.
I got me foot stuck up wan wan time match had to be abandoned
Totally wrong with my assessment at halftime, thought dubs were playing within themselves turned out that was them at full pelt but credit must go to galway for a outstanding performance congratulations to them and commisseration to Dublin
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 30, 2024, 09:57:04 AMQuote from: bennydorano on June 30, 2024, 09:47:04 AMQuote from: ardtole on June 30, 2024, 08:14:12 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 30, 2024, 06:53:30 AMQuote from: David McKeown on June 30, 2024, 01:15:49 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 29, 2024, 11:34:31 PMRTE with a good few angles of the second Fallon yellow. A clear foul and yellow card. "Shoulder to shoulder" my hole.
Parkinson, the f**king eejit, was calling it the worst red card decision ever ;D
Having seen it again I think it was harsher than I first thought but at the same time was an awful and unnecessary risk for Fallon to take. He made the referee make a decision and he had no need to.
I think the first one was a clear black card as well not yellow.
It was a frontal charge into his chest and stomach. For some reason Fallon decided to bea near double over. He also made sure he stuck the elbow in. How on earth was it harsh?!
It was certainly a yellow card, in between the 2 yellow cards that he got, there was another rash challenge, not a yellow card offence, but not far off it either. Only himself to blame.
Re the first yellow card - Greg McCabe got a straight red for the exact same type of challenge v Galway in the 2022 Q/F, a full frontal shoulder- how on earth can that be considered a black card yesterday?? Didn't see it clearly at the game but looked a straight red to me last night on tv, the 2nd looked softish at the game but yellow on tv, again he really can have no complaints- 2 shockingly poor executed 'shoulders', but conditions underfoot were poor - his only mitigation and I don't think that cuts it either tbh.
Which was a disgraceful call. Contact is being taken out of the game ffs.
Both were yellows.
So a stupid second tackle .
On a brighter note I wish our neighbours from Louth every success today.
I'd say today will be similar to yesterday in that the first game will be cagey enough and probably not as high of quality as the second. Best of luck to the Louth ones, free hit and enjoy it, days like this don't come too often.
Second game I think will be tight as well but Kerry to shade it in the end. If Clifford doesn't show up though Derry will do it. Best of luck to them and safe travels to all.
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QuoteTo block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).
The actual wording of the foot block rule - 2 important things to remember
1) with the boot -
and
2) when an opponent is kicking the ball
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 30, 2024, 09:57:04 AMQuote from: bennydorano on June 30, 2024, 09:47:04 AMQuote from: ardtole on June 30, 2024, 08:14:12 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 30, 2024, 06:53:30 AMQuote from: David McKeown on June 30, 2024, 01:15:49 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 29, 2024, 11:34:31 PMRTE with a good few angles of the second Fallon yellow. A clear foul and yellow card. "Shoulder to shoulder" my hole.
Parkinson, the f**king eejit, was calling it the worst red card decision ever ;D
Having seen it again I think it was harsher than I first thought but at the same time was an awful and unnecessary risk for Fallon to take. He made the referee make a decision and he had no need to.
I think the first one was a clear black card as well not yellow.
It was a frontal charge into his chest and stomach. For some reason Fallon decided to bea near double over. He also made sure he stuck the elbow in. How on earth was it harsh?!
It was certainly a yellow card, in between the 2 yellow cards that he got, there was another rash challenge, not a yellow card offence, but not far off it either. Only himself to blame.
Re the first yellow card - Greg McCabe got a straight red for the exact same type of challenge v Galway in the 2022 Q/F, a full frontal shoulder- how on earth can that be considered a black card yesterday?? Didn't see it clearly at the game but looked a straight red to me last night on tv, the 2nd looked softish at the game but yellow on tv, again he really can have no complaints- 2 shockingly poor executed 'shoulders', but conditions underfoot were poor - his only mitigation and I don't think that cuts it either tbh.
Which was a disgraceful call. Contact is being taken out of the game ffs.
Shoulder to shoulder is the only form of contact allowed. It's always been the case, which contact outside of that would you like in the game?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2024, 11:51:41 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 30, 2024, 09:57:04 AMQuote from: bennydorano on June 30, 2024, 09:47:04 AMQuote from: ardtole on June 30, 2024, 08:14:12 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 30, 2024, 06:53:30 AMQuote from: David McKeown on June 30, 2024, 01:15:49 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 29, 2024, 11:34:31 PMRTE with a good few angles of the second Fallon yellow. A clear foul and yellow card. "Shoulder to shoulder" my hole.
Parkinson, the f**king eejit, was calling it the worst red card decision ever ;D
Having seen it again I think it was harsher than I first thought but at the same time was an awful and unnecessary risk for Fallon to take. He made the referee make a decision and he had no need to.
I think the first one was a clear black card as well not yellow.
It was a frontal charge into his chest and stomach. For some reason Fallon decided to bea near double over. He also made sure he stuck the elbow in. How on earth was it harsh?!
It was certainly a yellow card, in between the 2 yellow cards that he got, there was another rash challenge, not a yellow card offence, but not far off it either. Only himself to blame.
Re the first yellow card - Greg McCabe got a straight red for the exact same type of challenge v Galway in the 2022 Q/F, a full frontal shoulder- how on earth can that be considered a black card yesterday?? Didn't see it clearly at the game but looked a straight red to me last night on tv, the 2nd looked softish at the game but yellow on tv, again he really can have no complaints- 2 shockingly poor executed 'shoulders', but conditions underfoot were poor - his only mitigation and I don't think that cuts it either tbh.
Which was a disgraceful call. Contact is being taken out of the game ffs.
Shoulder to shoulder is the only form of contact allowed. It's always been the case, which contact outside of that would you like in the game?
Kerry men seem to be allowed arse to head contact.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 30, 2024, 12:11:34 PMKerry men seem to be allowed arse to head contact.
They use their brains when playing football in Kerry.
Fair play Galway. Great win yesterday, well deserved. No excuses from the Dublin side. The better team won. It was a memorable day for the Galway team and their loyal supporters. Best of luck in your remaining journey through the championship. :)
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 30, 2024, 12:23:57 PMFair play Galway. Great win yesterday, well deserved. No excuses from the Dublin side. The better team won. It was a memorable day for the Galway team and their loyal supporters. Best of luck in your remaining journey through the championship. :)
Much obliged. Any day you beat the standard-bearers is a day to be savoured. Second half on replay looked as if Dublin's legs were finally about to go. They owe ye nothing though.
Well done to Louth on being the last representative from Leinster. However, I'm going to write them off, which according to RTÉ means the draw for the semi is already decided:
Galway v Donegal
Armagh v Kerry/Derry
Quote from: Hound on June 30, 2024, 01:12:40 PMWell done to Louth on being the last representative from Leinster. However, I'm going to write them off, which according to RTÉ means the draw for the semi is already decided:
Galway v Donegal
Armagh v Kerry/Derry
I think that we have already had the excitement of the weekend, Donegal will be too good for Louth and Kerry will not want any more shocks.
Poor stuff from Donegal today, Louth are well in this match. Durnin is lording it at midfield.
Half time Donegal 0-11 Louth 0-8. Competitive half of football hopefully the same for the 2nd half.
The danger of being heavy favourites in a match of real consequence when the opposition has nothing to lose, Louth looking good and going for it. The game is also much better than I expected.
Still have to fancy Donegal but Louth in the last 4 draw would be interesting!
Good game, but we let Louth get well on top for 15 minutes there. Thankfully, from our perspective, we started to get to grips with them and got a few points from turnovers at the end (should have been one more but for that poor miss from McBrearty). Felt Mogan could have gone for goal too, especially on his good side, but he maybe he felt he needed to take the point after his earlier miss.
Mcguinness with plenty to do at half time though.
I would add that in other years, some of the Louth points were top drawer and unsustainable, but it seems to be a feature these days at this level.
If Kerry beat Derry (won't happen of course, hon Derry) I'd confidently say it will be the first time all 4 semi finalists have beaten the one team
#statto
#whatyethinkofthatjoebrolly
The Donegal crowd are even a bit flat. Too good for Louth, this far anyway, but will need to improve on this.
First time I have ever seen a dummy deceive the cameraman...
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 30, 2024, 02:22:36 PMIf Kerry beat Derry (won't happen of course, hon Derry) I'd confidently say it will be the first time all 4 semi finalists have beaten the one team
#statto
#whatyethinkofthatjoebrolly
Well it would mean that Derry had been beaten by the best 4 teams, not a total disgrace, compared to Tyrone or Monaghan anyway.
FT Donegal 1-23 Louth 0-18. Impressive 2nd half showing from Donegal with 1-12 from play and never allowed Louth get the goal they were looking for, game as contest was over with Donegal's goal on 58 minutes in truth. Great journey and year of progress over for Louth a lot of weary missed placed passes and shots from them 2nd half.
5 points from wing half back some going
Hard not to think that there is quite a bit more in Donegal.
Handy enough in the end as Louth tired. Plenty of room for improvement and I'd say we'll be the opposition the other three will be hoping for.
That's the draw made then.
Quote from: J70 on June 30, 2024, 02:58:39 PMHandy enough in the end as Louth tired. Plenty of room for improvement and I'd say we'll be the opposition the other three will be hoping for.
Donegal v Galway now, which may depend on the fitness of Galway.
But Jimmy will know what has to be improved.
Did what needed done without much fuss and plenty of room for improvement. McGuiness will be happy enough.
Mickey Harte to become first Derry manager to lose 4 championship games in a year.
Derry got match up on Clifford wrong the day again.
Two main forwards on song in this game so far.
Glass bossing it
Atmosphere very subdued for such a big game.
Rubbish game, apart from Glass.
Quote from: statto on June 30, 2024, 03:40:04 PMAtmosphere very subdued for such a big game.
It is and no where near the expected 45k crowd in attendance. 0-4 each 25 minutes played
Quote from: statto on June 30, 2024, 03:40:04 PMAtmosphere very subdued for such a big game.
Kerry waiting for the final.
Fairly crap so far
Quote from: statto on June 30, 2024, 03:40:04 PMAtmosphere very subdued for such a big game.
It's nervousness #tension
Kerry getting away with usual fouling out the field. Derry lack of freetaker for 45s and long range frees could prove costly.
Very slow game. Derry need to watch Kerry number five.
Derry need o work a good bit harder for scores and I expect that will tell eventually.
Everything feels so flat and subdued. Derry will be happy so far, they just need to stay in the game until the last 10 minutes and they will have a good chance.
Which does first: Lough Neagh, or Gaelic football?
This is proper puke football
Is this any more boring than armagh roscommon 1st half yday?
Absolutely not. But you won't hear a word.
Snoozefest
Absolute scour.
As close as the half time score line suggest 0-6 each.
Quote from: 5times5times on June 30, 2024, 03:51:25 PMIs this any more boring than armagh roscommon 1st half yday?
Absolutely not. But you won't hear a word.
Snoozefest
The conditions were alot more testing yesterday but was poor quality also.
Worst game of the season.
A remarkable mark from Clifford. A remarkable score by McGuigan. A few tidy things by Glass.
35 mins of please-change-the-rules nonsense after that.
Des Cahill just said on the radio that they can hear the players talking from the commentary box on Level 7!
Dire stuff. Other than McGuigan Derry have a rake of lads who won't shoot when they've space 25 yards out.
Quote from: gallsman on June 30, 2024, 03:56:10 PMDire stuff. Other than McGuigan Derry have a rake of lads who won't shoot when they've space 25 yards out.
Well tbf did you see McEvoy and Cassidys shots...
Brutal game but Derry will be delighted at ht. I expected so much more from Kerry but this probably is their first real game in the championship, if they don't get firing in the first 10 mins of the 2nd half Derry will win.
Up there with Donegal Dublin 2011, pathetic
People love yapping.
It'll improve in the second half always a bit of shadow boxing in these games. Cliffords mark was unreal
These games really should have been played standalone outside Croker.
Not sure what people were expecting... are Derry supposed to open it up and concede 3-4 goals as we did against Armagh/Donegal??
We're well in this but the lads are putting in serious work up and down the pitch the 2 benches will have a massive say when it opens up the last 10mins!
There seemed to get a strong breeze with Kerry in the 1st half here from Hill 16, seems to be the reason Derry shots are falling short.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 30, 2024, 03:57:44 PMBrutal game but Derry will be delighted at ht. I expected so much more from Kerry but this probably is their first real game in the championship, if they don't get firing in the first 10 mins of the 2nd half Derry will win.
Certainly, on this showing you cannot say that Kerry are a difference class from the remaining teams.
Quote from: screenexile on June 30, 2024, 04:01:08 PMNot sure what people were expecting... are Derry supposed to open it up and concede 3-4 goals as we did against Armagh/Donegal??
You likely played dead in those games to fool Kerry, just as you played dead in the league against Dublin to do better in the league final.
The atmosphere at Gaelic football matches nowadays are like a crowd at a cricket match
Dead quiet, people using their mobile, eating, drinking, chatting, looking up into the clouds , with the odd applause
Really poor stuff, the 2 games today won't bring the crowds back, snooze fest so far
Quote from: God14 on June 30, 2024, 03:58:53 PMUp there with Donegal Dublin 2011, pathetic
Ah now not that bad which was 8-6 after 70 minutes. Derry seem to getting most of the blame for this hard watch contest when Kerry are just as defensive and safe first approach.
Quote from: AustinPowers on June 30, 2024, 04:04:09 PMThe atmosphere at Gaelic football matches nowadays are like a crowd at a cricket match
Dead quiet, people using their mobile, eating, drinking, chatting, looking up into the clouds , with the odd applause
Is reflection of what's going on the field. How could you get excited at that?
I'm sure Dublin and Galway supporters weren't looking up into the clouds during last nites game.
Derry too safety conscious
Geaney been great for Kerry over the years but does he really still add enough?
McKinless got a sneaky dig or two in there.
That lad Murray been learn how to tackle, that slack as f**k.
McKinless kneeling for the anthem, punching White in the face. He just can't help himself.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 30, 2024, 04:24:06 PMGeaney been great for Kerry over the years but does he really still add enough?
McKinless got a sneaky dig or two in there.
Derry getting away with a lot of off the ball stuff
Derry have Kerry exactly where they want them down the stretch now. Let's see if they can finish the job this time.
McKaigue is pure dirt
Why are people suprised?
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 30, 2024, 04:29:03 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on June 30, 2024, 04:28:25 PMMcKaigue is pure dirt
Nothing more than a tr**p
I'd agree but he's hardly the first, McMenamin was no better in his day & that's being polite.
Absolute crap decision from the ref
Awful turnover. Needless.
56 mins played Kerry 0-9 Derry 0-8
Lynch good in nets but zero ability to link play out the field.
Another turgid grind of a match and it's looking like Derry are going to fall short again.
Derry still a few forwards short, Murray ,Cassidy, Mulholland offered nothing today.
Never hit the exciting finish anyway 3 Points now kerry just have to kill the clock
Kerry lead out to three 64 minutes played.
How was that not a yellow for glass. Goldrick still is a useless ref
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2024, 04:38:55 PMDerry still a few forwards short, Murray ,Cassidy, Mulholland offered nothing today.
Yeah I think that is the difference. I am not convinced mulholland really an attacker. Murray's man more of an attacking threat than him. Cassidy hasn't hit the heights this year he did last year. Badly need some forwards from some of these underage teams.
Some amount of mouthing by the Kerry players each Derry mistake. It turn Ugly at the end.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 30, 2024, 04:40:31 PMHow was that not a yellow for glass. Goldrick still is a useless ref
What do you mean, sure he hit him shoulder to shoulder.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2024, 04:43:01 PMSome amount of mouthing by the Kerry players each Derry mistake. It turn Ugly at the end.
They're both at it FFS. McFaul wasn't capable of handpassing the ball without finding someone to shove afterwards.
Kerry there for the taking. Played well below par, but Derry hit too many wides and not quite good enough. I expect Kerry to improve a lot and win Sam from here, assuming they hold on here.
Galway probably the only team of the 8 who were happy with their performance. Nervy QF weekend!
All teams do it now. It must be programmed into players. Even the Louth midfielder at it on Donegal goalie when they were eight down with no time left.
That is some anti climax of a match. Horrible woeful stuff
At least die with your boots on !!
Quote from: gallsman on June 30, 2024, 04:43:14 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on June 30, 2024, 04:40:31 PMHow was that not a yellow for glass. Goldrick still is a useless ref
What do you mean, sure he hit him shoulder to shoulder.
Clearly not when the ref gave a free
Derry picked the wrong time to try potshots from distance.
Absolutely noone looks interested
I am not sure if Kerry will win the ai... are they any better than Donegal or Galway? I would say they'd have a bit much for Armagh but Armagh have more attacking threat than Derry.
Imagine all the commitment, gym work, slogging through the winter etc to produce this total dross...
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 30, 2024, 04:46:21 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 30, 2024, 04:43:14 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on June 30, 2024, 04:40:31 PMHow was that not a yellow for glass. Goldrick still is a useless ref
What do you mean, sure he hit him shoulder to shoulder.
Clearly not when the ref gave a free
I wasn't being serious.
To endure 70 mins of this and not even get a tight finish seems unfair.
How many times is he going to say Kerry when he means Derry and vv?
Kerry have a lot of very ordinary players, if Derry had taken their chances they could have beaten them.
Overall another poor spectacle in what was a bad weekend for Gaelic football in terms of entertainment. These new rule changes can't come quick enough as the game is in need of something drastic. Hurling is streets ahead.
The RTE pundits won't call it out though.
Disappointing after being so well in the game at HT. We've had very little attacking threat this second half and gone out with a whimper really.
Imagine driving all the way from north Derry or south Kerry to watch that
And now having to drive back home again
This isn't me saying he should he in charge as I was very vocal when it all came out about him.
But if Gallagher was still in charge you'd think Derry probably beat Kerry today. Do the Derry natives think Harte gets another year?
FT Kerry 0-15 Derry 0-10. Not a game that will live long in the memory, 47k the attendance for today's double head I don't think many of the Louth,Donegal supporters stayed on and how right they were.
Four points in second half for Derry not win any games in croke park.
Quote from: gallsman on June 30, 2024, 04:48:28 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on June 30, 2024, 04:46:21 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 30, 2024, 04:43:14 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on June 30, 2024, 04:40:31 PMHow was that not a yellow for glass. Goldrick still is a useless ref
What do you mean, sure he hit him shoulder to shoulder.
Clearly not when the ref gave a free
I wasn't being serious.
To endure 70 mins of this and not even get a tight finish seems unfair.
Very poor game. Armagh will fancy their chances. Limp finish by derry.
Mickeys excellent record against kerry continues
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 30, 2024, 04:51:36 PMThis isn't me saying he should he in charge as I was very vocal when it all came out about him.
But if Gallagher was still in charge you'd think Derry probably beat Kerry today. Do the Derry natives think Harte gets another year?
Should have been gone before the westmeath game, got some reprieve because of very luckily overcoming Mayo but really doesn't deserve another year especially with the money he is on
Hopefully Slovakia can brighten up this sporting weekend
An absolute sh*tshow from Derry after all the hype after beating Mayo by penalties. Embarrassing championship from them, 4 defeats, and woeful from Harte... is it performance related or does he collect that big wage?
Derry are 3 forwards short plus 3 of the bench. Gonna have to dip into the last 2/3 U20 teams, they plenty to offer.
Absolutely brutal. Maybe last week caught up with Derry a bit but they were terrible there. Kerry hardly much more and obviously have more in them than that performance, but play like that again and any of them other 3 would beat them.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 30, 2024, 04:49:20 PMKerry have a lot of very ordinary players, if Derry had taken their chances they could have beaten them.
Overall another poor spectacle in what was a bad weekend for Gaelic football in terms of entertainment. These new rule changes can't come quick enough as the game is in need of something drastic. Hurling is streets ahead.
The RTE pundits won't call it out though.
You mustn't watch RTE pundits often, they often do nothing but moan about the games. First two rounds of the round robin the only analysis was about the system being wrong. Then we'd a really good last round of games and there wasn't a word about it was the system that ensured there was so much riding on the last round!
There's actually been more poor games in the hurling championship this year than in a long time. That's one thing you'll never hear from RTE pundits. But it's not a competition between the codes, although Donal Og and a few others seem to think it is.
Quote from: Hound on June 30, 2024, 04:56:42 PMQuote from: yellowcard on June 30, 2024, 04:49:20 PMKerry have a lot of very ordinary players, if Derry had taken their chances they could have beaten them.
Overall another poor spectacle in what was a bad weekend for Gaelic football in terms of entertainment. These new rule changes can't come quick enough as the game is in need of something drastic. Hurling is streets ahead.
The RTE pundits won't call it out though.
You mustn't watch RTE pundits often, they often do nothing but moan about the games. First two rounds of the round robin the only analysis was about the system being wrong. Then we'd a really good last round of games and there wasn't a word about it was the system that ensured there was so much riding on the last round!
There's actually been more poor games in the hurling championship this year than in a long time. That's one thing you'll never hear from RTE pundits. But it's not a competition between the codes, although Donal Og and a few others seem to think it is.
Last nights minor match has been better than most senior football games this year..
Jesus Christ I must have missed the champagne football on offer elsewhere over the weekend 😂😂😂
Never seen as much girnin in here, and that really is saying something
I think the win in Mayo granted Mickey Harte a reprieve for another year. But as a manager I think he is a busted flush, I think they need something new and fresh ideas.
Galway the easiest on the eye for the neutral. I hope they go on and win it now.
Dropping knees, sneaky digs and boring as fcuk. Lost a bit of respect for Derry today.
Quote from: Hound on June 30, 2024, 04:56:42 PMQuote from: yellowcard on June 30, 2024, 04:49:20 PMKerry have a lot of very ordinary players, if Derry had taken their chances they could have beaten them.
Overall another poor spectacle in what was a bad weekend for Gaelic football in terms of entertainment. These new rule changes can't come quick enough as the game is in need of something drastic. Hurling is streets ahead.
The RTE pundits won't call it out though.
You mustn't watch RTE pundits often, they often do nothing but moan about the games. First two rounds of the round robin the only analysis was about the system being wrong. Then we'd a really good last round of games and there wasn't a word about it was the system that ensured there was so much riding on the last round!
There's actually been more poor games in the hurling championship this year than in a long time. That's one thing you'll never hear from RTE pundits. But it's not a competition between the codes, although Donal Og and a few others seem to think it is.
I watch the pundits regularly even if it's getting more and more difficult. I'm not talking about the system, I'm talking about Gaelic football as a spectacle.
I've seen the atmosphere at matches now being described like being at a cricket match and I'd agree with that. Contrast that to the atmosphere at a hurling match and there is no comparison. I accept people might like the way the game is played at the moment but it's not for me. Take away the tribalism and local rivalries and it's not a great sport to watch the way it's being played at the minute. The FRC was set up to try and fix the problems, if all was well with the sport there would be no need for it.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 30, 2024, 04:59:40 PMGalway the easiest on the eye for the neutral. I hope they go on and win it now.
Don't let a win over the Dubs fool you. They are every bit as defensive. Galway v Donegal will be another arm wrestle of a match.
Quote from: Sportacus on June 30, 2024, 05:02:26 PMDropping knees, sneaky digs and boring as fcuk. Lost a bit of respect for Derry today.
Seemed more focused on getting in kerry faces rather than playing football. Unreal the drop in discipline in derry this year.
Poor enough game. All 4 teams will fancy their chances now. Lads off the bench made a great impact for Kerry. Derry for being so well in it first half went out with a whimper in the second.
Clifford gone off the boil? (Probably score 2-7 against us now!)
Donegal 10/11 vs 6/5 Galway (1pt hdcp)
Kerry 4/11 vs 11/4 Armagh (4pt hdcp)
Only saw the one replay but I'm not convinced McKaigue did anything particularly malicious. Clifford had spilled the ball and lashed out a boot to save it by kicking it backwards and out tripped the pair of them.
Why did Glass not get a card for the "Fallon type foul"??
Quote from: 5times5times on June 30, 2024, 05:11:18 PMDonegal 10/11 vs 6/5 Galway (1pt hdcp)
Kerry 4/11 vs 11/4 Armagh (4pt hdcp)
11/4 that we get within 4 of Kerry? Is that how that works?
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 30, 2024, 05:15:52 PMQuote from: 5times5times on June 30, 2024, 05:11:18 PMDonegal 10/11 vs 6/5 Galway (1pt hdcp)
Kerry 4/11 vs 11/4 Armagh (4pt hdcp)
11/4 that we get within 4 of Kerry? Is that how that works?
4/11 to win, but have handicapped kerry by 4pt favorites
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 30, 2024, 05:15:52 PMQuote from: 5times5times on June 30, 2024, 05:11:18 PMDonegal 10/11 vs 6/5 Galway (1pt hdcp)
Kerry 4/11 vs 11/4 Armagh (4pt hdcp)
11/4 that we get within 4 of Kerry? Is that how that works?
No 11/4 is the game, the handicap means that Armagh + 4 is about evens.
Armagh have a free shot here, all the talk will be about Kerry.
I was in favour of Mickey Harte coming.
I am now in favour of him going.
This team appears to have lost cohesion discipline and desire under his tenure.
But realistically Derry are short 3 good forwards to ever really threaten an AI.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 30, 2024, 05:17:52 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on June 30, 2024, 05:15:52 PMQuote from: 5times5times on June 30, 2024, 05:11:18 PMDonegal 10/11 vs 6/5 Galway (1pt hdcp)
Kerry 4/11 vs 11/4 Armagh (4pt hdcp)
11/4 that we get within 4 of Kerry? Is that how that works?
No 11/4 is the game, the handicap means that Armagh + 4 is about evens.
Armagh have a free shot here, all the talk will be about Kerry.
I'd fire a few quid on Armagh plus 4 then.
Nearly would have suited us that Kerry tanked Derry there, but given we weren't great either Kerry will be talked up as firm favourites.
Great to see 3 teams that haven't made semis much or at all in the last decade go through. Donegal and Galway is 50/50 imo mightn't be a classic but will be tight.
I think we seen again today that Kerry struggle to break down a solid defensive structure so that augurs well for us in the semi final. I'd expect another cagey game (what game isn't now) of cat and mouse and I'm hoping that our forwards can produce more up front than Derry.
We mightnt have a Clifford but I think we have all round more quality up front than Kerry. I think at this stage we were due to face up to a Kerry or a Dublin to test our mettle and find out if we have what it takes to win the All Ireland.
Better team won.
Best of luck to all the semi-finalists.
Quote from: Sportacus on June 30, 2024, 05:02:26 PMDropping knees, sneaky digs and boring as fcuk. Lost a bit of respect for Derry today.
Derry were not the only ones at the sneaky digs!!
Didn't see the McKaigue incident but talking to a good few who said there was absolutely nothing in it.
Not as disappointed as last year but still wish we had went for it after that bit of a lift we got from Rogers score.
The damage Armagh and Donegal did against our press meant we never fully committed to it today which is a pity because any time we went long we competed well for the ball.
Quote from: screenexile on June 30, 2024, 05:27:48 PMQuote from: Sportacus on June 30, 2024, 05:02:26 PMDropping knees, sneaky digs and boring as fcuk. Lost a bit of respect for Derry today.
Derry were not the only ones at the sneaky digs!!
Didn't see the McKaigue incident but talking to a good few who said there was absolutely nothing in it.
Not as disappointed as last year but still wish we had went for it after that bit of a lift we got from Rogers score.
The damage Armagh and Donegal did against our press meant we never fully committed to it today which is a pity because any time we went long we competed well for the ball.
Would your good friend be a Derry man by any chance? It was one of them where if you're a Derry man you'd say not a lot, if anything, in it. If you're a Kerry man you'd have wanted him sent off
Dreadful match. No surprise Derry played in that fashion but I certainly didn't expect Kerry to be be so conservative. Going by Brian Ó Beaglaoich's interview that was actually the game plan too. Did they not watch any of Derry's games? They actually gave Derry a chance by playing in that fashion.
I couldn't understand Derry bringing in Mickey given he hadn't won a big Championship match in Croker for 15 (now 16) years and had consistently failed to find the balance between defence and attack in the past decade with Tyrone. Those were the two things Derry needed to address too - he was a baffling choice. Still didn't expect it to go quite so badly wrong though. Maybe Derry were always a bit short at the highest level anyway, but they certainly won't be competing for Sam with Mickey in charge.
He did drop the knees but contact
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 30, 2024, 05:38:35 PMDreadful match. No surprise Derry played in that fashion but I certainly didn't expect Kerry to be be so conservative. Going by Brian Ó Beaglaoich's interview that was actually the game plan too. Did they not watch any of Derry's games? They actually gave Derry a chance by playing in that fashion.
I couldn't understand Derry bringing in Mickey given he hadn't won a big Championship match in Croker for 15 (now 16) years and had consistently failed to find the balance between defence and attack in the past decade with Tyrone. Those were the two things Derry needed to address too - he was a baffling choice. Still didn't expect it to go quite so badly wrong though. Maybe Derry were always a bit short at the highest level anyway, but they certainly won't be competing for Sam with Mickey in charge.
When you said that you got ate without salt. Delighted for Derry, got exactly what they paid for..
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2024, 05:32:44 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 30, 2024, 05:27:48 PMQuote from: Sportacus on June 30, 2024, 05:02:26 PMDropping knees, sneaky digs and boring as fcuk. Lost a bit of respect for Derry today.
Derry were not the only ones at the sneaky digs!!
Didn't see the McKaigue incident but talking to a good few who said there was absolutely nothing in it.
Not as disappointed as last year but still wish we had went for it after that bit of a lift we got from Rogers score.
The damage Armagh and Donegal did against our press meant we never fully committed to it today which is a pity because any time we went long we competed well for the ball.
Would your good friend be a Derry man by any chance? It was one of them where if you're a Derry man you'd say not a lot, if anything, in it. If you're a Kerry man you'd have wanted him sent off
Didn't think it was too bad now. But but daft booking Clifford for defending himseld
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 30, 2024, 05:47:31 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2024, 05:32:44 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 30, 2024, 05:27:48 PMQuote from: Sportacus on June 30, 2024, 05:02:26 PMDropping knees, sneaky digs and boring as fcuk. Lost a bit of respect for Derry today.
Derry were not the only ones at the sneaky digs!!
Didn't see the McKaigue incident but talking to a good few who said there was absolutely nothing in it.
Not as disappointed as last year but still wish we had went for it after that bit of a lift we got from Rogers score.
The damage Armagh and Donegal did against our press meant we never fully committed to it today which is a pity because any time we went long we competed well for the ball.
Would your good friend be a Derry man by any chance? It was one of them where if you're a Derry man you'd say not a lot, if anything, in it. If you're a Kerry man you'd have wanted him sent off
Didn't think it was too bad now. But but daft booking Clifford for defending himseld
Not the first time I've seen a Derry man do something similar this year so I would wonder about it. Agree about Clifford tho.
Yellows probably for all the pushing and shoving which they were both at.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 30, 2024, 05:47:31 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2024, 05:32:44 PMQuote from: screenexile on June 30, 2024, 05:27:48 PMQuote from: Sportacus on June 30, 2024, 05:02:26 PMDropping knees, sneaky digs and boring as fcuk. Lost a bit of respect for Derry today.
Derry were not the only ones at the sneaky digs!!
Didn't see the McKaigue incident but talking to a good few who said there was absolutely nothing in it.
Not as disappointed as last year but still wish we had went for it after that bit of a lift we got from Rogers score.
The damage Armagh and Donegal did against our press meant we never fully committed to it today which is a pity because any time we went long we competed well for the ball.
Would your good friend be a Derry man by any chance? It was one of them where if you're a Derry man you'd say not a lot, if anything, in it. If you're a Kerry man you'd have wanted him sent off
Didn't think it was too bad now. But but daft booking Clifford for defending himseld
Agree.. Refs seem to have a hard on for booking both players in them situations.
Pretty much the way the rules are setup though. Clifford did merit a yellow but was defending himself.
Quote from: gallsman on June 30, 2024, 05:49:59 PMYellows probably for all the pushing and shoving which they were both at.
I get that. But when one player is the instigator that player should get booked. Not just today. The corner forward often starts that nonsense knowing he'll get his marker booked too
Fault with rules more than ref though. Agreed it's very frustrating but unfortunately is what it is.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 30, 2024, 05:57:26 PMPretty much the way the rules are setup though. Clifford did merit a yellow but was defending himself.
Not sure what he's meant to do tbh. Straight red would have been lovely :D
Quote from: yellowcard on June 30, 2024, 06:06:55 PMQuote from: yellowcard on June 30, 2024, 05:23:55 PMI think we seen again today that Kerry struggle to break down a solid defensive structure so that augurs well for us in the semi final. I'd expect another cagey game (what game isn't now) of cat and mouse and I'm hoping that our forwards can produce more up front than Derry.
We mightnt have a Clifford but I think we have all round more quality up front than Kerry. I think at this stage we were due to face up to a Kerry or a Dublin to test our mettle and find out if we have what it takes to win the All Ireland.
I think overall they are further away from winning an All Ireland than before he came in. But they made their bed and will have to lie in it now, they can't just ditch him now. And history tells us that Mickey doesn't go easily so I don't expect him to walk either.
I agree with you though, unless they unearth one or two more quality forwards it won't matter who is in charge, they won't be winning an All Ireland title.
Did you mean to quote and agree with yourself??? Or did you forget to switch accounts haha
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 30, 2024, 05:38:35 PMDreadful match. No surprise Derry played in that fashion but I certainly didn't expect Kerry to be be so conservative. Going by Brian Ó Beaglaoich's interview that was actually the game plan too. Did they not watch any of Derry's games? They actually gave Derry a chance by playing in that fashion.
I couldn't understand Derry bringing in Mickey given he hadn't won a big Championship match in Croker for 15 (now 16) years and had consistently failed to find the balance between defence and attack in the past decade with Tyrone. Those were the two things Derry needed to address too - he was a baffling choice. Still didn't expect it to go quite so badly wrong though. Maybe Derry were always a bit short at the highest level anyway, but they certainly won't be competing for Sam with Mickey in charge.
I think overall they are further away from winning an All Ireland than before he came in. But they made their bed and will have to lie in it now, they can't just ditch him now. And history tells us that Mickey doesn't go easily so I don't expect him to walk either.
I agree with you though, unless they unearth one or two more quality forwards it won't matter who is in charge, they won't be winning an All Ireland title.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2024, 06:07:10 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 30, 2024, 05:49:59 PMYellows probably for all the pushing and shoving which they were both at.
I get that. But when one player is the instigator that player should get booked. Not just today. The corner forward often starts that nonsense knowing he'll get his marker booked too
But then it suits a forward to get booked more than a defender.
Smart play would be to send another man straight over to McKaigue and start wrestling.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 30, 2024, 06:07:56 PMFault with rules more than ref though. Agreed it's very frustrating but unfortunately is what it is.
Can't argue with that.
On rules, yesterday there was a player penalised for a throw ball from a hand pass. Fair enough. But the amount of players who get away with it each game is shocking. If refs are gonna penalise it then penalise it all the time
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 30, 2024, 06:09:20 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2024, 06:07:10 PMQuote from: gallsman on June 30, 2024, 05:49:59 PMYellows probably for all the pushing and shoving which they were both at.
I get that. But when one player is the instigator that player should get booked. Not just today. The corner forward often starts that nonsense knowing he'll get his marker booked too
But then it suits a forward to get booked more than a defender.
Smart play would be to send another man straight over to McKaigue and start wrestling.
Of course it does but if the forward knows he'll get his marker booked, why wouldn't he do it. I say this as a frustrated former full back myself haha
Is the season not a success for Derry?
There are only two senior competitions you can win at the start of the year.
Derry won the least coveted one but still a national title.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2024, 06:08:22 PMQuote from: yellowcard on June 30, 2024, 06:06:55 PMQuote from: yellowcard on June 30, 2024, 05:23:55 PMI think we seen again today that Kerry struggle to break down a solid defensive structure so that augurs well for us in the semi final. I'd expect another cagey game (what game isn't now) of cat and mouse and I'm hoping that our forwards can produce more up front than Derry.
We mightnt have a Clifford but I think we have all round more quality up front than Kerry. I think at this stage we were due to face up to a Kerry or a Dublin to test our mettle and find out if we have what it takes to win the All Ireland.
I think overall they are further away from winning an All Ireland than before he came in. But they made their bed and will have to lie in it now, they can't just ditch him now. And history tells us that Mickey doesn't go easily so I don't expect him to walk either.
I agree with you though, unless they unearth one or two more quality forwards it won't matter who is in charge, they won't be winning an All Ireland title.
Did you mean to quote and agree with yourself??? Or did you forget to switch accounts haha
You'd want to have little to be doing to be arguing with yourself.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2024, 06:10:53 PMIs the season not a success for Derry?
There are only two senior competitions you can win at the start of the year.
Derry won the least coveted one but still a national title.
Being beat by Kerry today would not make a bad year, but the other defeats are a bad look.
There are three...
They are limited in attack and you aren't going to beat the best teams with those limitations.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 30, 2024, 06:20:26 PMThere are three...
They are limited in attack and you aren't going to beat the best teams with those limitations.
Three national titles?
I think the Mayo game took its toll, Derry were well into that game until Kerry (without doing much different) went points ahead and Derry started misfiring everywhere.
When it comes to the 1/4 finals, all teams should be on an equal footing with at least a 2 weeks gap from their previous game.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 30, 2024, 06:11:50 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2024, 06:08:22 PMQuote from: yellowcard on June 30, 2024, 06:06:55 PMQuote from: yellowcard on June 30, 2024, 05:23:55 PMI think we seen again today that Kerry struggle to break down a solid defensive structure so that augurs well for us in the semi final. I'd expect another cagey game (what game isn't now) of cat and mouse and I'm hoping that our forwards can produce more up front than Derry.
We mightnt have a Clifford but I think we have all round more quality up front than Kerry. I think at this stage we were due to face up to a Kerry or a Dublin to test our mettle and find out if we have what it takes to win the All Ireland.
I think overall they are further away from winning an All Ireland than before he came in. But they made their bed and will have to lie in it now, they can't just ditch him now. And history tells us that Mickey doesn't go easily so I don't expect him to walk either.
I agree with you though, unless they unearth one or two more quality forwards it won't matter who is in charge, they won't be winning an All Ireland title.
Did you mean to quote and agree with yourself??? Or did you forget to switch accounts haha
You'd want to have little to be doing to be arguing with yourself.
I generally find it to be the only intelligent argument I can get.
Twas puke football lads.. no doubt Kerry will get their usual pass from the media.
Glad we got Kerry in the semis. They will not have want to play another northern county. Beating them will give us a boost that neither Dgal or Galway will be able to live with in the final.
Quote from: tyssam5 on June 30, 2024, 06:36:35 PMTwas puke football lads.. no doubt Kerry will get their usual pass from the media.
There is barely a show that doesn't have an ex Kerry player as a pundit so it will be put down simply as northern defensive tactics.
They were every bit as guilty as Derry today and at least Derry had the excuse that they don't have the attacking players up front to play any differently.
Kerry's biggest attacking threat was their wing half back. They have massive scoring threat in a few forwards and then Moynihan/ geaney don't have huge threat. Brosnan starting to add a bit mind you.
Geaney was finished about 5/6 years ago. Have no idea how he's still getting a game.
Watch JOD claim it's all derrys fault on their weekly pod.
Armagh are at a shot to nothing. Rattle Clifford like today. OShea and Geaney don't like close attention.
Kerry MF poor. Derry dominated them in the air. Running on fumes.
Armagh have better subs than Derry.
Quote from: gallsman on June 30, 2024, 07:00:39 PMGeaney was finished about 5/6 years ago. Have no idea how he's still getting a game.
Same. Great on his day but unfortunately for him that was a while ago. Some of the brothers are better now.
Armagh finish games stronger but much weaker in midfield and half back. Stronger up front though and definitely more depth.
Quote from: gallsman on June 30, 2024, 06:53:30 AMQuote from: David McKeown on June 30, 2024, 01:15:49 AMQuote from: gallsman on June 29, 2024, 11:34:31 PMRTE with a good few angles of the second Fallon yellow. A clear foul and yellow card. "Shoulder to shoulder" my hole.
Parkinson, the f**king eejit, was calling it the worst red card decision ever ;D
Having seen it again I think it was harsher than I first thought but at the same time was an awful and unnecessary risk for Fallon to take. He made the referee make a decision and he had no need to.
I think the first one was a clear black card as well not yellow.
It was a frontal charge into his chest and stomach. For some reason Fallon decided to bea near double over. He also made sure he stuck the elbow in. How on earth was it harsh?!
It was harsher than I first thought. In real time I thought it was a clear third man tackle. I think it was a clear yellow.
Quote from: 5times5times on June 30, 2024, 07:04:29 PMWatch JOD claim it's all derrys fault on their weekly pod.
Armagh are at a shot to nothing. Rattle Clifford like today. OShea and Geaney don't like close attention.
Kerry MF poor. Derry dominated them in the air. Running on fumes.
Armagh have better subs than Derry.
The Kerry media mafia will be wheeled out to complain that those nasty northerners won't allow them to play their lovely football.
Clifford has not fired on all cylinders but we need to keep him quiet to have a chance. Geaney, Brosnan and Moynihan are flaky enough and we need to be more aggressive against Kerry rather than playing zonal stand offish defence since Kerry have a few players that can kick points from 40 metres out unlike Roscommon.
I'd put McCambridge on Clifford as he done well on him previously, he's on form and has the size and power to outmuscle him. Put Forker on Paudie Clifford and McKay on O'Shea. Quiten those 3 players and it will go a long way to winning the match.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 30, 2024, 07:19:31 PMQuote from: 5times5times on June 30, 2024, 07:04:29 PMWatch JOD claim it's all derrys fault on their weekly pod.
Armagh are at a shot to nothing. Rattle Clifford like today. OShea and Geaney don't like close attention.
Kerry MF poor. Derry dominated them in the air. Running on fumes.
Armagh have better subs than Derry.
The Kerry media mafia will be wheeled out to complain that those nasty northerners won't allow them to play their lovely football.
Clifford has not fired on all cylinders but we need to keep him quiet to have a chance. Geaney, Brosnan and Moynihan are flaky enough and we need to be more aggressive against Kerry rather than playing zonal stand offish defence since Kerry have a few players that can kick points from 40 metres out unlike Roscommon.
I'd put McCambridge on Clifford as he done well on him previously, he's on form and has the size and power to outmuscle him. Put Forker on Paudie Clifford and McKay on O'Shea. Quiten those 3 players and it will go a long way to winning the match.
I think Kelly will possibly go directly up against P Clifford.
Quote from: statto on June 30, 2024, 07:23:57 PMQuote from: yellowcard on June 30, 2024, 07:19:31 PMQuote from: 5times5times on June 30, 2024, 07:04:29 PMWatch JOD claim it's all derrys fault on their weekly pod.
Armagh are at a shot to nothing. Rattle Clifford like today. OShea and Geaney don't like close attention.
Kerry MF poor. Derry dominated them in the air. Running on fumes.
Armagh have better subs than Derry.
The Kerry media mafia will be wheeled out to complain that those nasty northerners won't allow them to play their lovely football.
Clifford has not fired on all cylinders but we need to keep him quiet to have a chance. Geaney, Brosnan and Moynihan are flaky enough and we need to be more aggressive against Kerry rather than playing zonal stand offish defence since Kerry have a few players that can kick points from 40 metres out unlike Roscommon.
I'd put McCambridge on Clifford as he done well on him previously, he's on form and has the size and power to outmuscle him. Put Forker on Paudie Clifford and McKay on O'Shea. Quiten those 3 players and it will go a long way to winning the match.
I think Kelly will possibly go directly up against P Clifford.
Possibly so but even though he is lined out at no 6 I just think Kelly hasn't got the natural instincts of a defender. Maybe he might develop that given time but I'd put faith in Forker who relishes a duel.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2024, 04:58:39 PMQuote from: Hound on June 30, 2024, 04:56:42 PMQuote from: yellowcard on June 30, 2024, 04:49:20 PMKerry have a lot of very ordinary players, if Derry had taken their chances they could have beaten them.
Overall another poor spectacle in what was a bad weekend for Gaelic football in terms of entertainment. These new rule changes can't come quick enough as the game is in need of something drastic. Hurling is streets ahead.
The RTE pundits won't call it out though.
You mustn't watch RTE pundits often, they often do nothing but moan about the games. First two rounds of the round robin the only analysis was about the system being wrong. Then we'd a really good last round of games and there wasn't a word about it was the system that ensured there was so much riding on the last round!
There's actually been more poor games in the hurling championship this year than in a long time. That's one thing you'll never hear from RTE pundits. But it's not a competition between the codes, although Donal Og and a few others seem to think it is.
Last nights minor match has been better than most senior football games this year..
You're not actually going to bald face lie and tell us you watched it I take it? So the how the hell would you know what the standard was like? Can't imagine KK overly happy with their performance
Quote from: Armagh4sam2024 on June 30, 2024, 06:41:47 PMGlad we got Kerry in the semis. They will not have want to play another northern county. Beating them will give us a boost that neither Dgal or Galway will be able to live with in the final.
Well sure congratulations so! ;D
Whose dummy account is this?
Armagh can't be formulating plans for marking Kerry's danger men,they've too many for us to cope with, they'll have to trust in the system. McCambridge looked good on Clifford in Tralee in last year's league game as we imposed a total blanket like Derry today (& lost by a point),
I was hoping we'd come out v our semi opponents and give it a lash as we really are very near our ceiling at this stage, Derry showed today that stifling can pay off, today's game should make us think we have a chance so I expect us to revert to the tried and tested rather than have a real go - hopefully I'm wrong and we go for it like Derry did last year v Kerry in the semi.
Quote from: Brendan on June 30, 2024, 04:53:47 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on June 30, 2024, 04:51:36 PMThis isn't me saying he should he in charge as I was very vocal when it all came out about him.
But if Gallagher was still in charge you'd think Derry probably beat Kerry today. Do the Derry natives think Harte gets another year?
Should have been gone before the westmeath game, got some reprieve because of very luckily overcoming Mayo but really doesn't deserve another year especially with the money he is on
What level of money is Harte on? I heard £100k+
Quote from: Hound on June 30, 2024, 07:36:36 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2024, 04:58:39 PMQuote from: Hound on June 30, 2024, 04:56:42 PMQuote from: yellowcard on June 30, 2024, 04:49:20 PMKerry have a lot of very ordinary players, if Derry had taken their chances they could have beaten them.
Overall another poor spectacle in what was a bad weekend for Gaelic football in terms of entertainment. These new rule changes can't come quick enough as the game is in need of something drastic. Hurling is streets ahead.
The RTE pundits won't call it out though.
You mustn't watch RTE pundits often, they often do nothing but moan about the games. First two rounds of the round robin the only analysis was about the system being wrong. Then we'd a really good last round of games and there wasn't a word about it was the system that ensured there was so much riding on the last round!
There's actually been more poor games in the hurling championship this year than in a long time. That's one thing you'll never hear from RTE pundits. But it's not a competition between the codes, although Donal Og and a few others seem to think it is.
Last nights minor match has been better than most senior football games this year..
You're not actually going to bald face lie and tell us you watched it I take it? So the how the hell would you know what the standard was like? Can't imagine KK overly happy with their performance
Keep your hair on lad..
Watched the highlights and read the report. I'll still say the standard in football this year has been poor
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aSXP7rJurDI&cbrd=1
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2024/0629/1457300-tipperary-minors-defeat-cats-to-claim-all-ireland-title/
Quote from: Sandy Hill on June 30, 2024, 07:59:50 PMQuote from: Brendan on June 30, 2024, 04:53:47 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on June 30, 2024, 04:51:36 PMThis isn't me saying he should he in charge as I was very vocal when it all came out about him.
But if Gallagher was still in charge you'd think Derry probably beat Kerry today. Do the Derry natives think Harte gets another year?
Should have been gone before the westmeath game, got some reprieve because of very luckily overcoming Mayo but really doesn't deserve another year especially with the money he is on
What level of money is Harte on? I heard £100k+
Seen somewhere Louths "Senior football management expenses" were 120k and I doubt he took a paycut
Quote from: Brendan on June 30, 2024, 08:07:39 PMQuote from: Sandy Hill on June 30, 2024, 07:59:50 PMQuote from: Brendan on June 30, 2024, 04:53:47 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on June 30, 2024, 04:51:36 PMThis isn't me saying he should he in charge as I was very vocal when it all came out about him.
But if Gallagher was still in charge you'd think Derry probably beat Kerry today. Do the Derry natives think Harte gets another year?
Should have been gone before the westmeath game, got some reprieve because of very luckily overcoming Mayo but really doesn't deserve another year especially with the money he is on
What level of money is Harte on? I heard £100k+
Seen somewhere Louths "Senior football management expenses" were 120k and I doubt he took a paycut
I'd say he pays a fair bit of tax on that😂
Boyle Sports odds and I don't recall last four odds that close before. Kerry's history,tradition and winning it in 2022 has them ahead of the rest but nothing between the final four in truth.
Kerry 4/5
Galway 9/2
Donegal 9/2
Armagh 9/2
No disrespect to Derry but I'm glad they're out. It would have made a mockery of the competition that a team beat 3 times could go on and win it.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 30, 2024, 08:19:48 PMBoyle Sports odds and I don't recall last four odds that close before. Kerry's history,tradition and winning it in 2022 has them ahead of the rest but nothing between the final four in truth.
Kerry 4/5
Galway 9/2
Donegal 9/2
Armagh 9/2
Would give Galway more respect than this. They look better than Donegal and ARE better than Armagh.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 30, 2024, 08:37:24 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 30, 2024, 08:19:48 PMBoyle Sports odds and I don't recall last four odds that close before. Kerry's history,tradition and winning it in 2022 has them ahead of the rest but nothing between the final four in truth.
Kerry 4/5
Galway 9/2
Donegal 9/2
Armagh 9/2
Would give Galway more respect than this. They look better than Donegal and ARE better than Armagh.
If they are better than Armagh then why in the last 3 meetings is it one win for Armagh and two draws? I'd say that they are much the same.
Quote from: J70 on June 30, 2024, 07:46:46 PMQuote from: Armagh4sam2024 on June 30, 2024, 06:41:47 PMGlad we got Kerry in the semis. They will not have want to play another northern county. Beating them will give us a boost that neither Dgal or Galway will be able to live with in the final.
Well sure congratulations so! ;D
Whose dummy account is this?
What makes you think that there are dummy accounts?
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 30, 2024, 08:37:24 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 30, 2024, 08:19:48 PMBoyle Sports odds and I don't recall last four odds that close before. Kerry's history,tradition and winning it in 2022 has them ahead of the rest but nothing between the final four in truth.
Kerry 4/5
Galway 9/2
Donegal 9/2
Armagh 9/2
Would give Galway more respect than this. They look better than Donegal and ARE better than Armagh.
Galway havent proven they are better than Armagh in the last 3 championship meetings as they failed to win any of them.
That said I think they are better than Donegal and I'd give them a good chance of beating Kerry or Armagh in the final as well. I think Croke Park suits them and if I was a betting man I'd be putting a few quid on Galway at those odds. Kerry must be living off their reputation because no way are they that much better than the rest.
Paddypower has it
Kerry evens
Galway 3/1
Donegal 4/1
Armagh 9/2
Wouldn't touch Kerry at this odds. I'd take all the 9/2 I could get for Galway. This is their year.
Is there more in Donegal? I think they are a big challenge for Galway.
Kerry better odds as they probably are perceived to have an easier semi final. It'll be different in last two.
Would love to see Armagh beat Kerry but just can't see it. Could see Donegal beating Galway - especially if they have a big injury list which is possible.
Quote from: An Watcher on June 30, 2024, 08:30:22 PMNo disrespect to Derry but I'm glad they're out. It would have made a mockery of the competition that a team beat 3 times could go on and win it.
They didn't lose 3 times in this competition, they lost twice! The amount of times I've read this sh1te, it would make your eyes melt.
Lost in Ulster, out of Ulster. Into the group stages of Sam based on the league (different competition) . You finish third blah blah.... . By your same train of thought, was winning the Sam via the back door a mockery? Absolutely not as you're playing within the competitions structures
Hard lines to the players and management today, just wasn't our day. Was only going to be a kick of a ball in it. McKaigue played Clifford very well.
Will be interesting to see what / if there's any changes re management for next year
Derry poor and you'd say a fair bit of an AI title. Tho other teams don't seem too hot either so they will get their chance again
Even on twitter, they get round to banning trolls lol.
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 30, 2024, 10:00:26 PMQuote from: JoG2 on June 30, 2024, 09:57:20 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 30, 2024, 08:30:22 PMNo disrespect to Derry but I'm glad they're out. It would have made a mockery of the competition that a team beat 3 times could go on and win it.
They didn't lose 3 times in this competition, they lost twice! The amount of times I've read this sh1te, it would make your eyes melt.
Lost in Ulster, out of Ulster. Into the group stages of Sam based on the league (different competition) . You finish third blah blah.... . By your same train of thought, was winning the Sam via the back door a mockery? Absolutely not as you're playing within the competitions structures
Hard lines to the players and management today, just wasn't our day. Was only going to be a kick of a ball in it. McKaigue played Clifford very well.
Will be interesting to see what / if there's any changes re management for next year
Brilliant! 🤣😅 have now lost 4 championship games this season.
Jesus, I'm delighted. Always thought Tyrone lost once on their way to winning Sam in 05 and 08. I am now content we went through unbeaten in those years as we were in a different competition
All the Derry ones here would fall out with their shadow. Took insult at the suggestion they are only a good team not a great team ffs.
Derry looked like they went out to stop kerry rather than to win.
Had some brilliant individual performances from Glass and Rogers in particular. Mcguigan in the first half too.
Mcevoy mostly did a job on O'Se and Chrissy did much better on Clifford this year than he did last year.
But, we were toothless.
Ball too slow to get forward, and not enough off the shoulder runs. Final 3rd passes went to kerry unforced. Then rash shots too.
Kerry were far from impressive and only pulled away a bit when we had to chase a 3pt lead.
Derry subs were made too late, and took off the wrong players.
Disappointed, but not that unexpected.
Championship to forget.
Harte....hasn't brought much.
We look like the team that had just come out of div 3 a few years ago.
I thought Glass was anonymous in the second half.
What's worse? The 1st halfs of some of this weekends games, or Cora Stauntons monotone punditry..
Christ she'd put you to sleep. ZZZzzz
Quote from: Truthsayer on June 30, 2024, 10:30:30 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 30, 2024, 10:27:01 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 30, 2024, 10:00:26 PMQuote from: JoG2 on June 30, 2024, 09:57:20 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 30, 2024, 08:30:22 PMNo disrespect to Derry but I'm glad they're out. It would have made a mockery of the competition that a team beat 3 times could go on and win it.
They didn't lose 3 times in this competition, they lost twice! The amount of times I've read this sh1te, it would make your eyes melt.
Lost in Ulster, out of Ulster. Into the group stages of Sam based on the league (different competition) . You finish third blah blah.... . By your same train of thought, was winning the Sam via the back door a mockery? Absolutely not as you're playing within the competitions structures
Hard lines to the players and management today, just wasn't our day. Was only going to be a kick of a ball in it. McKaigue played Clifford very well.
Will be interesting to see what / if there's any changes re management for next year
Brilliant! 🤣😅 have now lost 4 championship games this season.
Jesus, I'm delighted. Always thought Tyrone lost once on their way to winning Sam in 05 and 08. I am now content we went through unbeaten in those years as we were in a different competition
Never lost 4! Last time won it lost none : )
How many All Ireland senior club championships have Tyrone GAA won?
Any true Tyrone fan would support their northern neighbours over southerners. If anyone knows Irish history they would know that the kingdom of Tir Eoghain didn't have could relations with Munster. I bet you would even support Dublin (The Pale) over Derry.
Derry v Kerry. First half was even and second half even worse. Never as true!
Quote from: didlyi on June 30, 2024, 10:59:29 PMDerry v Kerry. First half was even and second half even worse. Never as true!
First half was far more brutal.
Derry can't complain about being tired, the tempo of the game was similar to the Craggy Island Over 75s Priests 5 a side soccer competition
Quote from: blanketattack on June 30, 2024, 11:13:00 PMQuote from: didlyi on June 30, 2024, 10:59:29 PMDerry v Kerry. First half was even and second half even worse. Never as true!
First half was far more brutal.
Derry can't complain about being tired, the tempo of the game was similar to the Craggy Island Over 75s Priests 5 a side soccer competition
While the play was pedestrian both teams were up and down the pitch en masse I'd say the distances covered by both teams would be very high!
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on June 30, 2024, 10:48:24 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 30, 2024, 10:30:30 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 30, 2024, 10:27:01 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on June 30, 2024, 10:00:26 PMQuote from: JoG2 on June 30, 2024, 09:57:20 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 30, 2024, 08:30:22 PMNo disrespect to Derry but I'm glad they're out. It would have made a mockery of the competition that a team beat 3 times could go on and win it.
They didn't lose 3 times in this competition, they lost twice! The amount of times I've read this sh1te, it would make your eyes melt.
Lost in Ulster, out of Ulster. Into the group stages of Sam based on the league (different competition) . You finish third blah blah.... . By your same train of thought, was winning the Sam via the back door a mockery? Absolutely not as you're playing within the competitions structures
Hard lines to the players and management today, just wasn't our day. Was only going to be a kick of a ball in it. McKaigue played Clifford very well.
Will be interesting to see what / if there's any changes re management for next year
Brilliant! 🤣😅 have now lost 4 championship games this season.
Jesus, I'm delighted. Always thought Tyrone lost once on their way to winning Sam in 05 and 08. I am now content we went through unbeaten in those years as we were in a different competition
Never lost 4! Last time won it lost none : )
How many All Ireland senior club championships have Tyrone GAA won?
Any true Tyrone fan would support their northern neighbours over southerners. If anyone knows Irish history they would know that the kingdom of Tir Eoghain didn't have could relations with Munster. I bet you would even support Dublin (The Pale) over Derry.
What the heck? Lol, white flag raised there.
Derry's last Croke Park visit was the league final win and scoring 3-18 against Dublin. Both out now at the last eight stage and in the end league form counted for nothing for this years championship.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 30, 2024, 09:01:31 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on June 30, 2024, 08:37:24 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on June 30, 2024, 08:19:48 PMBoyle Sports odds and I don't recall last four odds that close before. Kerry's history,tradition and winning it in 2022 has them ahead of the rest but nothing between the final four in truth.
Kerry 4/5
Galway 9/2
Donegal 9/2
Armagh 9/2
Would give Galway more respect than this. They look better than Donegal and ARE better than Armagh.
Galway havent proven they are better than Armagh in the last 3 championship meetings as they failed to win any of them.
That said I think they are better than Donegal and I'd give them a good chance of beating Kerry or Armagh in the final as well. I think Croke Park suits them and if I was a betting man I'd be putting a few quid on Galway at those odds. Kerry must be living off their reputation because no way are they that much better than the rest.
Think in all 3 games Galway could certainly have won them all but we dug in, rode our luck at times and could have won 2 of them and did win won and I don't think we played particularly well in any of the 3 for a lot of the games. A final between us would be totally 50/50 and would be a serious step up in stakes of our mini rivalry thats been going the last few years.
2 semi finals that are too close to call and hopefully there is a bit more from a neutral perspective as this weekend was largely poor bar second half of Dublin Galway.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 30, 2024, 09:57:20 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 30, 2024, 08:30:22 PMNo disrespect to Derry but I'm glad they're out. It would have made a mockery of the competition that a team beat 3 times could go on and win it.
They didn't lose 3 times in this competition, they lost twice! The amount of times I've read this sh1te, it would make your eyes melt.
Lost in Ulster, out of Ulster. Into the group stages of Sam based on the league (different competition) . You finish third blah blah.... . By your same train of thought, was winning the Sam via the back door a mockery? Absolutely not as you're playing within the competitions structures
Hard lines to the players and management today, just wasn't our day. Was only going to be a kick of a ball in it. McKaigue played Clifford very well.
Will be interesting to see what / if there's any changes re management for next year
LOL. What were the 2 losses if we go with your theory? Which loss didnt count? Galway, Armagh or Kerry?
Good for Cora and Jamesie o donoghue fearing for Armagh, if it was Galway or Donegal playing Kerry it would be too close to call.
Armagh will be fine for the Kerry match, it's a one off and we will back ourselves to win.
Wouldn't bet against an Armagh Donegal final.
Think we are going to need a couple of huge semi-finals to save this football season.
It has been abject in the main.
A very poor championship. Cant think of one game that was standout. Some close games but nothing great. Ulster final had moments but pedestrian at times. Pensive football would sum up this years championship.
Think we were in a similar position last year being disappointed with the quarter finals-3 were one sided and the other was a snooze fest.
At least all 3 this year were reasonably competitive although 3 of the winners were comfortable in the but Dublin Galway went down to the wire.
Think there will be a kick of the ball in both semi finals.
Quote from: snoopdog on July 01, 2024, 09:07:41 AMA very poor championship. Cant think of one game that was standout. Some close games but nothing great. Ulster final had moments but pedestrian at times. Pensive football would sum up this years championship.
V poor, Derry shipping 2 hammerings v Donegal and Armagh has been the main talking point. From a Tyrone point of view they went to extra time twice in the Ulster championship but you wouldnt call the 2 games exciting.
The semis and finals hopefully can make up for it.
Quote from: snoopdog on July 01, 2024, 09:07:41 AMA very poor championship. Cant think of one game that was standout. Some close games but nothing great. Ulster final had moments but pedestrian at times. Pensive football would sum up this years championship.
Ulster Final was a cracking game. Apart from that, not much to write home about
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 30, 2024, 10:34:04 PMDerry looked like they went out to stop kerry rather than to win.
Had some brilliant individual performances from Glass and Rogers in particular. Mcguigan in the first half too.
Mcevoy mostly did a job on O'Se and Chrissy did much better on Clifford this year than he did last year.
But, we were toothless.
Ball too slow to get forward, and not enough off the shoulder runs. Final 3rd passes went to kerry unforced. Then rash shots too.
Kerry were far from impressive and only pulled away a bit when we had to chase a 3pt lead.
Derry subs were made too late, and took off the wrong players.
Disappointed, but not that unexpected.
Championship to forget.
Harte....hasn't brought much.
We look like the team that had just come out of div 3 a few years ago.
You are looking at it this morning thinking we got so much right in terms of match ups. If someone told you before that Clifford wouldn't be seen after the first 10 min, Paudie would barely get a kick from Conor Doherty, Seanie oshea would be wrapped up by McEvoy and McGuigan would be the best player on the pitch you'd think we'd have a great chance but then the performance was just so flat when we needed to kick on. We needed a few things to go our way in the last 20 min but once Kerry got that 2 or 3 point lead it was over. We didn't get anything from our defenders in an attacking sense which is unusual but I suppose we had to go back to basics after the championship hammerings. It definitely feels like we've went back during this championship.
Armagh are better than us right now and have the ability to beat Kerry but I will always question their ability to get over the line until they do it. Expect a very close game.
Quote from: Mario on July 01, 2024, 09:48:07 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on June 30, 2024, 10:34:04 PMDerry looked like they went out to stop kerry rather than to win.
Had some brilliant individual performances from Glass and Rogers in particular. Mcguigan in the first half too.
Mcevoy mostly did a job on O'Se and Chrissy did much better on Clifford this year than he did last year.
But, we were toothless.
Ball too slow to get forward, and not enough off the shoulder runs. Final 3rd passes went to kerry unforced. Then rash shots too.
Kerry were far from impressive and only pulled away a bit when we had to chase a 3pt lead.
Derry subs were made too late, and took off the wrong players.
Disappointed, but not that unexpected.
Championship to forget.
Harte....hasn't brought much.
We look like the team that had just come out of div 3 a few years ago.
You are looking at it this morning thinking we got so much right in terms of match ups. If someone told you before that Clifford wouldn't be seen after the first 10 min, Paudie would barely get a kick from Conor Doherty, Seanie oshea would be wrapped up by McEvoy and McGuigan would be the best player on the pitch you'd think we'd have a great chance but then the performance was just so flat when we needed to kick on. We needed a few things to go our way in the last 20 min but once Kerry got that 2 or 3 point lead it was over. We didn't get anything from our defenders in an attacking sense which is unusual but I suppose we had to go back to basics after the championship hammerings. It definitely feels like we've went back during this championship.
Armagh are better than us right now and have the ability to beat Kerry but I will always question their ability to get over the line until they do it. Expect a very close game.
This sounds v like Tyrone defeats in the 2010s to Kerry
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 01, 2024, 08:02:49 AMQuote from: JoG2 on June 30, 2024, 09:57:20 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 30, 2024, 08:30:22 PMNo disrespect to Derry but I'm glad they're out. It would have made a mockery of the competition that a team beat 3 times could go on and win it.
They didn't lose 3 times in this competition, they lost twice! The amount of times I've read this sh1te, it would make your eyes melt.
Lost in Ulster, out of Ulster. Into the group stages of Sam based on the league (different competition) . You finish third blah blah.... . By your same train of thought, was winning the Sam via the back door a mockery? Absolutely not as you're playing within the competitions structures
Hard lines to the players and management today, just wasn't our day. Was only going to be a kick of a ball in it. McKaigue played Clifford very well.
Will be interesting to see what / if there's any changes re management for next year
LOL. What were the 2 losses if we go with your theory? Which loss didnt count? Galway, Armagh or Kerry?
No theory, just pointing out the structures of the provincials / All Ireland (the 3 losses in the initial post were pre Kerry)
There are 6 Senior Inter Co Championships.
"Gahman" hasn't got his head around that yet, he's still in 1 Championship mode.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 01, 2024, 10:16:14 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on July 01, 2024, 08:02:49 AMQuote from: JoG2 on June 30, 2024, 09:57:20 PMQuote from: An Watcher on June 30, 2024, 08:30:22 PMNo disrespect to Derry but I'm glad they're out. It would have made a mockery of the competition that a team beat 3 times could go on and win it.
They didn't lose 3 times in this competition, they lost twice! The amount of times I've read this sh1te, it would make your eyes melt.
Lost in Ulster, out of Ulster. Into the group stages of Sam based on the league (different competition) . You finish third blah blah.... . By your same train of thought, was winning the Sam via the back door a mockery? Absolutely not as you're playing within the competitions structures
Hard lines to the players and management today, just wasn't our day. Was only going to be a kick of a ball in it. McKaigue played Clifford very well.
Will be interesting to see what / if there's any changes re management for next year
LOL. What were the 2 losses if we go with your theory? Which loss didnt count? Galway, Armagh or Kerry?
No theory, just pointing out the structures of the provincials / All Ireland (the 3 losses in the initial post were pre Kerry)
the initial post was at 830 yesterday evening mate, so not pre Kerry
Quote from: Mario on July 01, 2024, 09:48:07 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on June 30, 2024, 10:34:04 PMDerry looked like they went out to stop kerry rather than to win.
Had some brilliant individual performances from Glass and Rogers in particular. Mcguigan in the first half too.
Mcevoy mostly did a job on O'Se and Chrissy did much better on Clifford this year than he did last year.
But, we were toothless.
Ball too slow to get forward, and not enough off the shoulder runs. Final 3rd passes went to kerry unforced. Then rash shots too.
Kerry were far from impressive and only pulled away a bit when we had to chase a 3pt lead.
Derry subs were made too late, and took off the wrong players.
Disappointed, but not that unexpected.
Championship to forget.
Harte....hasn't brought much.
We look like the team that had just come out of div 3 a few years ago.
You are looking at it this morning thinking we got so much right in terms of match ups. If someone told you before that Clifford wouldn't be seen after the first 10 min, Paudie would barely get a kick from Conor Doherty, Seanie oshea would be wrapped up by McEvoy and McGuigan would be the best player on the pitch you'd think we'd have a great chance but then the performance was just so flat when we needed to kick on. We needed a few things to go our way in the last 20 min but once Kerry got that 2 or 3 point lead it was over. We didn't get anything from our defenders in an attacking sense which is unusual but I suppose we had to go back to basics after the championship hammerings. It definitely feels like we've went back during this championship.
Armagh are better than us right now and have the ability to beat Kerry but I will always question their ability to get over the line until they do it. Expect a very close game.
a fair point. I am hoping the win on Saturday is a monkey off the team's back and they get a big boost from that. Kerry probably heavy favourites - no point Armagh turning up if you listen to some - so that will suit us also
Quote from: NotedObserver on July 01, 2024, 10:15:38 AMQuote from: Mario on July 01, 2024, 09:48:07 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on June 30, 2024, 10:34:04 PMDerry looked like they went out to stop kerry rather than to win.
Had some brilliant individual performances from Glass and Rogers in particular. Mcguigan in the first half too.
Mcevoy mostly did a job on O'Se and Chrissy did much better on Clifford this year than he did last year.
But, we were toothless.
Ball too slow to get forward, and not enough off the shoulder runs. Final 3rd passes went to kerry unforced. Then rash shots too.
Kerry were far from impressive and only pulled away a bit when we had to chase a 3pt lead.
Derry subs were made too late, and took off the wrong players.
Disappointed, but not that unexpected.
Championship to forget.
Harte....hasn't brought much.
We look like the team that had just come out of div 3 a few years ago.
You are looking at it this morning thinking we got so much right in terms of match ups. If someone told you before that Clifford wouldn't be seen after the first 10 min, Paudie would barely get a kick from Conor Doherty, Seanie oshea would be wrapped up by McEvoy and McGuigan would be the best player on the pitch you'd think we'd have a great chance but then the performance was just so flat when we needed to kick on. We needed a few things to go our way in the last 20 min but once Kerry got that 2 or 3 point lead it was over. We didn't get anything from our defenders in an attacking sense which is unusual but I suppose we had to go back to basics after the championship hammerings. It definitely feels like we've went back during this championship.
Armagh are better than us right now and have the ability to beat Kerry but I will always question their ability to get over the line until they do it. Expect a very close game.
This sounds v like Tyrone defeats in the 2010s to Kerry
You are probably right. There is a common denominator.
I'll probably regret this very soon after but I hope Armagh beat Kerry. Kerry are infallible in the southern media. It takes two to tango and they played an equal part in that shit match.
Is a common denominator not also that the forwards just weren't / aren't there on the team being beat by Kerry...
Derry couldn't beat Kerry because they still don't have enough of a scoring threat across their forward line. Far too reliant on one forward. I thought Kerry looked fairly ordinary yesterday, and their corner forwards were very poor. But, would expect they will improve for the semi. I think (hope!) Armagh will stretch Kerry more than Derry did, but will that be enough if Kerry improve on yesterday? It's going to be difficult! Kerry will really fancy their chances.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 01, 2024, 10:26:12 AMIs a common denominator not also that the forwards just weren't / aren't there on the team being beat by Kerry...
It's not a forward thing it's a tactical approach imo. Forwards can look bad if they have no support.
Despite this McGuigan was the best player on the pitch as he so often is. Murray didn't perform yesterday maybe partly due to tactics and lack of service but you can't deny he has the ability to be a top level forward and has shown it. Ethan Doherty is as good a whf as there is. Our best forwards were no worse than Kerry's yday. The otherside is that if we did go more attacking we could have got tanked but I don't think we would have given the good individual match ups. Maybe it would have just ended up a narrow defeat again who knows. The confidence wasn't there to do that though.
With Murray having a poor day yesterday though and Cassidy being off form you had two forwards in Mulholland and McFall who would nearly be more at home in defense and two forwards who were ineffectual leaving you with McGuigan and Doherty really. (McFall a great player but dunno his best position at all)
In reality it's probably a bit of both I think.
For the Derry folk, what would have constituted a good season?
What meaningful progress would they have had to have seen to be count this as an honorable end to the year? Another semi final at the least?
Mickey brought exactly what ever tyrone fan knew he would bring. A hard to defeat team very limited in offensive football and a team with disciplinary issues.
Bringing in a manager who failed to beat either dublin and Kerry in 15 years was mental. Mickey's biggest achievement was managing to beat mayo after penalties, he previously failed to beat them for the last 15 years or so as well.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on July 01, 2024, 11:10:05 AMFor the Derry folk, what would have constituted a good season?
What meaningful progress would they have had to have seen to be count this as an honorable end to the year? Another semi final at the least?
Based on expectations at the start of the year I think par would have another semi final. The league was brilliant and beating the Dubs in a classic league final shouldn't be laughed at given this team was in Div 4 5 seasons ago. We've taken a step back but we had taken 10 steps forward so we can't be too disheartened.
Glen won the AI, our u20s were very unlucky to lose to Tyrone on pens and they won the AI, our minors are in the AI final. Next year we'll prob be ranked 6 to 8 in the country instead of 3. Lower expectations might not be a bad thing if there is a new mgmt in place.
It's hard to see Derry dropping outside the top tier in the next 5 years. We have a few players that turned 30 this year but most of the team are in their prime or approaching it. There have been worse times for a Derry fan.
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 01, 2024, 11:16:20 AMMickey brought exactly what ever tyrone fan knew he would bring. A hard to defeat team very limited in offensive football and a team with disciplinary issues.
Bringing in a manager who failed to beat either dublin and Kerry in 15 years was mental. Mickey's biggest achievement was managing to beat mayo after penalties, he previously failed to beat them for the last 15 years or so as well.
I don't remember Mickey kicking the ball wide from scorable positions, or falling in a heap when hair ruffled, players need to take responsibility
Harte is a good manager to set the ground work for a county. Bringing him in at the end stage is just madness.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 01, 2024, 11:33:30 AMHarte is a good manager to set the ground work for a county. Bringing him in at the end stage is just madness.
What other choices did we have? It wasn't the plan to get rid of our manager last year. O'Rourke didn't want it, Meenagh didn't want it.
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 01, 2024, 11:16:20 AMMickey brought exactly what ever tyrone fan knew he would bring. A hard to defeat team very limited in offensive football and a team with disciplinary issues.
Bringing in a manager who failed to beat either dublin and Kerry in 15 years was mental. Mickey's biggest achievement was managing to beat mayo after penalties, he previously failed to beat them for the last 15 years or so as well.
What manager would you have brought in that has experience of beating Kerry and Dublin? They're not exactly two a penny.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on July 01, 2024, 11:10:05 AMFor the Derry folk, what would have constituted a good season?
What meaningful progress would they have had to have seen to be count this as an honorable end to the year? Another semi final at the least?
In the round it's not a terrible season winning Div 1 and getting to an AIQF but the manner of the Donegal and Armagh defeats leave a sour taste and we've definitely gone back a bit compared to last year.
Kerry were as guilty if not more guilty of the puke football yesterday as Derry.
Quote from: Mario on July 01, 2024, 11:30:00 AMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on July 01, 2024, 11:10:05 AMFor the Derry folk, what would have constituted a good season?
What meaningful progress would they have had to have seen to be count this as an honorable end to the year? Another semi final at the least?
Based on expectations at the start of the year I think par would have another semi final. The league was brilliant and beating the Dubs in a classic league final shouldn't be laughed at given this team was in Div 4 5 seasons ago. We've taken a step back but we had taken 10 steps forward so we can't be too disheartened.
Glen won the AI, our u20s were very unlucky to lose to Tyrone on pens and they won the AI, our minors are in the AI final. Next year we'll prob be ranked 6 to 8 in the country instead of 3. Lower expectations might not be a bad thing if there is a new mgmt in place.
It's hard to see Derry dropping outside the top tier in the next 5 years. We have a few players that turned 30 this year but most of the team are in their prime or approaching it. There have been worse times for a Derry fan.
Would agree with all this. Bit of perspective is always a good thing. The last few years have been great all in
Re alternative managers. There was a pretty exhaustive hunt for a big named manager post Gallagher, and for various reasons they couldn't / wouldn't take the job.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 01, 2024, 12:01:52 PMKerry were as guilty if not more guilty of the puke football yesterday as Derry.
Thats very true but it doesn't suit the narrative for many. Clifford has not been firing on all cylinders this season but part of the reason is that he spends plenty of time back defending and I hope this continues in the semi final. Despite their All Ireland title wins I don't think either Mickey Harte or Jack O'Connor are tactically astute managers, most of their All Ireland wins came when gaelic football was played totally differently.
Derry now face a conundrum. They have an opportunity to win an All Ireland in the next few years but do they really believe that Mickey Harte is the man to deliver this for them. I don't think he is but it would be a big decision to get rid of him after only one season during which they won a national title. I think the only way he goes is if the players collectively push for a change.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 01, 2024, 12:02:58 PMQuote from: Mario on July 01, 2024, 11:30:00 AMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on July 01, 2024, 11:10:05 AMFor the Derry folk, what would have constituted a good season?
What meaningful progress would they have had to have seen to be count this as an honorable end to the year? Another semi final at the least?
Based on expectations at the start of the year I think par would have another semi final. The league was brilliant and beating the Dubs in a classic league final shouldn't be laughed at given this team was in Div 4 5 seasons ago. We've taken a step back but we had taken 10 steps forward so we can't be too disheartened.
Glen won the AI, our u20s were very unlucky to lose to Tyrone on pens and they won the AI, our minors are in the AI final. Next year we'll prob be ranked 6 to 8 in the country instead of 3. Lower expectations might not be a bad thing if there is a new mgmt in place.
It's hard to see Derry dropping outside the top tier in the next 5 years. We have a few players that turned 30 this year but most of the team are in their prime or approaching it. There have been worse times for a Derry fan.
Would agree with all this. Bit of perspective is always a good thing. The last few years have been great all in
Re alternative managers. There was a pretty exhaustive hunt for a big named manager post Gallagher, and for various reasons they couldn't / wouldn't take the job.
That'll still be the case if Harte jumps/is pushed. Who would seriously be in a position to take/want the job? Only one man springs to mind and that brings more drama!!
Derry are in the same position Donegal were last year,and I think they have to change the manager. Plus blood alot of new players to see if 4/5 cut the mustard. O'Rourke still the own real option, but seems reluctant, The other brings more heat than the current manager.It was still only there 1st Yr in Division 1 and they need stay there a few yrs to improve.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 01, 2024, 12:28:44 PMDerry are in the same position Donegal were last year,and I think they have to change the manager. Plus blood alot of new players to see if 4/5 cut the mustard. O'Rourke still the own real option, but seems reluctant, The other brings more heat than the current manager.It was still only there 1st Yr in Division 1 and they need stay there a few yrs to improve.
Maybe O'Rourke will want it now that the Glen AI has happened? I'd say everyone in Derry would take RG back in a heartbeat.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 01, 2024, 12:51:33 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on July 01, 2024, 12:28:44 PMDerry are in the same position Donegal were last year,and I think they have to change the manager. Plus blood alot of new players to see if 4/5 cut the mustard. O'Rourke still the own real option, but seems reluctant, The other brings more heat than the current manager.It was still only there 1st Yr in Division 1 and they need stay there a few yrs to improve.
Maybe O'Rourke will want it now that the Glen AI has happened? I'd say everyone in Derry would take RG back in a heartbeat.
I'd say it's split down the middle, most I know would like the idea of RG back, but in reality it would be far too much of a sideshow
Quote from: JoG2 on July 01, 2024, 01:29:52 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 01, 2024, 12:51:33 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on July 01, 2024, 12:28:44 PMDerry are in the same position Donegal were last year,and I think they have to change the manager. Plus blood alot of new players to see if 4/5 cut the mustard. O'Rourke still the own real option, but seems reluctant, The other brings more heat than the current manager.It was still only there 1st Yr in Division 1 and they need stay there a few yrs to improve.
Maybe O'Rourke will want it now that the Glen AI has happened? I'd say everyone in Derry would take RG back in a heartbeat.
I'd say it's split down the middle, most I know would like the idea of RG back, but in reality it would be far too much of a sideshow
It'd be a sideshow for a week or two,then it'd move on.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 01, 2024, 12:28:44 PMDerry are in the same position Donegal were last year,and I think they have to change the manager. Plus blood alot of new players to see if 4/5 cut the mustard. O'Rourke still the own real option, but seems reluctant, The other brings more heat than the current manager.It was still only there 1st Yr in Division 1 and they need stay there a few yrs to improve.
Div 1 champions and a mixed championship ending in a defeat to the 2nd best team in the country? Jesus 2023 was a lot better for Donegal than I remember.
Quote from: marty34 on July 01, 2024, 01:34:13 PMQuote from: JoG2 on July 01, 2024, 01:29:52 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 01, 2024, 12:51:33 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on July 01, 2024, 12:28:44 PMDerry are in the same position Donegal were last year,and I think they have to change the manager. Plus blood alot of new players to see if 4/5 cut the mustard. O'Rourke still the own real option, but seems reluctant, The other brings more heat than the current manager.It was still only there 1st Yr in Division 1 and they need stay there a few yrs to improve.
Maybe O'Rourke will want it now that the Glen AI has happened? I'd say everyone in Derry would take RG back in a heartbeat.
I'd say it's split down the middle, most I know would like the idea of RG back, but in reality it would be far too much of a sideshow
It'd be a sideshow for a week or two,then it'd move on.
Bit like Harte in that be alright if the results are going well but could turn to shit quickly if not. (Obviously 2 very different scenarios)
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 01, 2024, 12:51:33 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on July 01, 2024, 12:28:44 PMDerry are in the same position Donegal were last year,and I think they have to change the manager. Plus blood alot of new players to see if 4/5 cut the mustard. O'Rourke still the own real option, but seems reluctant, The other brings more heat than the current manager.It was still only there 1st Yr in Division 1 and they need stay there a few yrs to improve.
Maybe O'Rourke will want it now that the Glen AI has happened? I'd say everyone in Derry would take RG back in a heartbeat.
I'd say you are right.
Whatever about his personal issues he was good with Derry.
Very annoying the narrative around "Derry" tactics on Sunday.
Kerry had every opportunity to press our kickouts and go after us as Donegal and Armagh did but they chose not to.
They could have left Seanie O'Shea and Clifford up but they chose not to. Both teams contributed to that shitefest!
From here I'd be happy enough for Galway or Donegal to win the All Ireland I hope we've 3 good games left!
Spot on. Kerry every bit as negative as Derry if not worse. Bar the early point from play and excellent mark Clifford didn't even look interested.
Quote from: screenexile on July 02, 2024, 09:43:59 PMVery annoying the narrative around "Derry" tactics on Sunday.
Kerry had every opportunity to press our kickouts and go after us as Donegal and Armagh did but they chose not to.
They could have left Seanie O'Shea and Clifford up but they chose not to. Both teams contributed to that shitefest!
From here I'd be happy enough for Galway or Donegal to win the All Ireland I hope we've 3 good games left!
What's your beef with Armagh? :)
Anyone know why one of the Derry wans knelt during the anthem?
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 03, 2024, 11:38:58 AMAnyone know why one of the Derry wans knelt during the anthem?
was wondering that myself
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 03, 2024, 11:38:58 AMAnyone know why one of the Derry wans knelt during the anthem?
Protesting police brutality
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 03, 2024, 11:38:58 AMAnyone know why one of the Derry wans knelt during the anthem?
A last minute watering of the pitch I would imagine.
I thought before the match Galways's downfall would be Dublins playing Howard and Bulger in the backs then you add in McCaffrey & McCaffrey and Dublin had 11 players on the pitch capable of scoring a couple of points from play but ultimately it may have been their downfall, Dublin with a lack of natural defenders were very loose. Galway had 16 shots in that second half and will be disappointed not to have scored 12-13 points given all those 6 misses were well within range for the shooters. Dublin must have scored 8 points before 20 minutes, no pressure whatsoever put on Dublin all over the pitch during that period and it was way too easy for them to get scores.
Silke on O'Callaghan in that first half wasn't a great matchup, Silke is a brilliant defender but always struggles with real raw pace like O'Callaghan has, remember James Carr giving Silke a really difficult time a few years ago in Limerick and there's been other instances where he's struggled too but stick him on a forward like Sean O'Shea and he'll do brilliantly. It didn't help that 3 times the ball was kicked into O'Callaghan no pressure was put on the kicker.
Now its going to be difficult to replicate that 2nd half for a the whole match but Galway don't want another first half like that but it was the best day in HQ for 23 years and a day to remember.
Special mention to Mulkerrins, didn't think he had it in him but the move to wing back has brought the best out of him; When Galway were struggling in that first half he kept on taking on his marker and made something happen. McHugh exceptional as usual, after the game against Mayo in 2021 I'd written him off but since then he's turned into one of the best wingbacks in the game and easily forgotten he missed the defeat to Mayo last year too. D'Arcy a bit limited in possession but those of us who remember him from his u21 days know he could always kick a score and continues to do so, if he understands his limitations he'll continue to be an asset.
Both Saturday games now free access on GAAGo if anyone is bored.
On the Kerry forums they're blaming Mickey Harte for things that happened when he wasn't even Tyrone manager. For a county with such historical success, the paranoia is hilarious.
Quote from: greatpoint on July 04, 2024, 01:35:57 PMOn the Kerry forums they're blaming Mickey Harte for things that happened when he wasn't even Tyrone manager. For a county with such historical success, the paranoia is hilarious.
The most begrudging shower ever when they lose to a 'six county' team. '03 to '08 they were horrible when Tyrone turned them over a few times. Lovely when they are beating you tho.. the wee patronising pat on the head.
Apparently the same about Down's style of football in the sixties when they were beating them.
When they beat Tyrone last year Marc and Tomás O'Se sneeringly suggested they'd 'long covid'... still bitter about '21. Couldn't help themselves.
Quote from: Truthsayer on July 04, 2024, 02:24:32 PMQuote from: greatpoint on July 04, 2024, 01:35:57 PMOn the Kerry forums they're blaming Mickey Harte for things that happened when he wasn't even Tyrone manager. For a county with such historical success, the paranoia is hilarious.
The most begrudging shower ever when they lose to a 'six county' team. '03 to '08 they were horrible when Tyrone turned them over a few times. Lovely when they are beating you tho.. the wee patronising pat on the head.
Apparently the same about Down's style of football in the sixties when they were beating them.
When they beat Tyrone last year Marc and Tomás O'Se sneeringly suggested they'd 'long covid'... still bitter about '21. Couldn't help themselves.
Yeah that's why I nearly (only nearly) was happy to see Tyrone bate them in 2021.
The long covid remark was funny but does show that bitterness in them.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 04, 2024, 03:18:51 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on July 04, 2024, 02:24:32 PMQuote from: greatpoint on July 04, 2024, 01:35:57 PMOn the Kerry forums they're blaming Mickey Harte for things that happened when he wasn't even Tyrone manager. For a county with such historical success, the paranoia is hilarious.
The most begrudging shower ever when they lose to a 'six county' team. '03 to '08 they were horrible when Tyrone turned them over a few times. Lovely when they are beating you tho.. the wee patronising pat on the head.
Apparently the same about Down's style of football in the sixties when they were beating them.
When they beat Tyrone last year Marc and Tomás O'Se sneeringly suggested they'd 'long covid'... still bitter about '21. Couldn't help themselves.
Yeah that's why I nearly (only nearly) was happy to see Tyrone bate them in 2021.
The long covid remark was funny but does show that bitterness in them.
Marc on GAAGO.. Tómas on RTÉ.. some outfit. Then go to Tyrone looking a coach to sort their defensive problems.
Tbf to Tómas I think he is u20 coach?
Yeah not a big fan of Kerry either. For all Dublin's dominance I still wanted Dublin to beat them last year. They're not overly likable.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 04, 2024, 03:39:47 PMTbf to Tómas I think he is u20 coach?
Yeah not a big fan of Kerry either. For all Dublin's dominance I still wanted Dublin to beat them last year. They're not overly likable.
Not overly likeable but either are Dublin (who I've nothing but respect for). Would nearly support them just for the fact that someone as good as Clifford deserves to win a multiple all irelands (just not this years)
Quote from: armaghniac on July 04, 2024, 12:10:59 PMBoth Saturday games now free access on GAAGo if anyone is bored.
Best of luck to Galway, but I'll never for the rest of my life be bored enough to rewatch that game.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 04, 2024, 04:06:01 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on July 04, 2024, 03:39:47 PMTbf to Tómas I think he is u20 coach?
Yeah not a big fan of Kerry either. For all Dublin's dominance I still wanted Dublin to beat them last year. They're not overly likable.
Not overly likeable but either are Dublin (who I've nothing but respect for). Would nearly support them just for the fact that someone as good as Clifford deserves to win a multiple all irelands (just not this years)
Deserves has nothing to do with it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 04, 2024, 04:06:01 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on July 04, 2024, 03:39:47 PMTbf to Tómas I think he is u20 coach?
Yeah not a big fan of Kerry either. For all Dublin's dominance I still wanted Dublin to beat them last year. They're not overly likable.
Not overly likeable but either are Dublin (who I've nothing but respect for). Would nearly support them just for the fact that someone as good as Clifford deserves to win a multiple all irelands (just not this years)
It's going to the six counties this year so he can wait another while
Quote from: naka on July 04, 2024, 08:09:44 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on July 04, 2024, 04:06:01 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on July 04, 2024, 03:39:47 PMTbf to Tómas I think he is u20 coach?
Yeah not a big fan of Kerry either. For all Dublin's dominance I still wanted Dublin to beat them last year. They're not overly likable.
Not overly likeable but either are Dublin (who I've nothing but respect for). Would nearly support them just for the fact that someone as good as Clifford deserves to win a multiple all irelands (just not this years)
It's going to the six counties this year so he can wait another while
;) well i know that!
Quote from: blanketattack on June 30, 2024, 11:13:00 PMQuote from: didlyi on June 30, 2024, 10:59:29 PMDerry v Kerry. First half was even and second half even worse. Never as true!
First half was far more brutal.
Derry can't complain about being tired, the tempo of the game was similar to the Craggy Island Over 75s Priests 5 a side soccer competition
Pat Spillane, stop stealing my content and passing it off as your own! 😡
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/pat-spillane-the-infamous-fr-ted-over-75-soccer-match-had-more-tempo-than-kerry-v-derry/a474170217.html