Starts tonight, will be a surprise if Tyrone don't retain the title, Derry would be there or thereabout also but will Rory Gallagher allow some of Derry's best players to take part in this competition?
First round Wednesday 22nd March
Monaghan v Armagh - Castleblayney 7:30pm
Quarter finals Wednesday 29th March
Fermanagh v Derry - TBC
Donegal v Antrim - Ballybofey
Tyrone v Down - Healy Park
Cavan v Monaghan/Armagh - Breffni or Athletic Grounds
Semi finals Wednesday 12th April
Tyrone/Down v Monaghan/Armagh/Cavan
Fermanagh/Derry v Donegal/Antrim
Final Wednesday 26th April
Tonights match live on here https://page.inplayer.com/ulstergaatv/item.html?id=3594911
Teams https://ulster.gaa.ie/ulsterchampionship2023/programmes
Monaghan v Armagh postponed owing to wet pitch.
Brutal timing with the Senior ulster championship round the corner, should played the championship off Feb/ March, then U-20 who good enough straight onto training with their senior team.
Tonight's game has been refixed for this Saturday 25th March at 3.30pm in Clones.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 22, 2023, 11:24:25 PM
Tonight's game has been refixed for this Saturday 25th March at 3.30pm in Clones.
Tough ask on young lads to be ready for another game on Wednesday. My county the beneficiary here possibly, but that's tight going on underage players
Half time Armagh 0-5 Monaghan 0-4
Monaghan 0-09 Armagh 0-07
Monaghan stuck at their work, and could have had a goal when they hit the post , but Armagh had a ridiculous series of wides in the second half, missing chances that you would expect a team to put away. They did a lot of the hard work and fluffed the finish.
Why are Armagh so poor at underage? They haven't challenged for a thing in the past decade +. Rarely reaching even semi-finals.
Quote from: GlenMan on March 25, 2023, 06:31:21 PM
Why are Armagh so poor at underage? They haven't challenged for a thing in the past decade +. Rarely reaching even semi-finals.
Obviously there's not the drama with Armagh underage and academy's as Donegal but surely its time for some questions to be asked about what is going on. We are pathetic year in year out, as you say rarely winning a first round match at minor or under 20.
Quote from: GlenMan on March 25, 2023, 06:31:21 PM
Why are Armagh so poor at underage? They haven't challenged for a thing in the past decade +. Rarely reaching even semi-finals.
Good question and one i don't have any answer for. One should also wonder why so many think Armagh seniors should be doing better than they currently are? Given their underage record i think they are arguably punching above their weight to be in Div 1 for a 3rd year in a row and reaching the last 8 of the championship only losing on penalties.
Quote from: pbat on March 25, 2023, 07:34:29 PM
Obviously there's not the drama with Armagh underage and academy's as Donegal but surely its time for some questions to be asked about what is going on. We are pathetic year in year out, as you say rarely winning a first round match at minor or under 20.
The point is that we are not pathetic, a lot of work has obviously been done and they are talented players. But the whole seems less than the sum of the parts, and different people have been involved with the management. This has been the case for years.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2023, 08:42:28 PM
Quote from: pbat on March 25, 2023, 07:34:29 PM
Obviously there's not the drama with Armagh underage and academy's as Donegal but surely its time for some questions to be asked about what is going on. We are pathetic year in year out, as you say rarely winning a first round match at minor or under 20.
The point is that we are not pathetic, a lot of work has obviously been done and they are talented players. But the whole seems less than the sum of the parts, and different people have been involved with the management. This has been the case for years.
I disagree Armaghniac, while I am not saying the lads as individuals are pathetic I believe the structures, teams and tactics/set ups are and the results back this up. We were hammered out the gate last year by Donegal at u20, the excuse was that we were a very young team and most were available again this year. After watching today I cant see anything better than last year if anything lads have regressed. Who is the Armagh's Karl Lacey?
When one reads that, then it's impressive that Tyrone are there or thereabouts each year.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 26, 2023, 02:14:01 AM
When one reads that, then it's impressive that Tyrone are there or thereabouts each year.
I made a point in the Ulster Colleges thread about Tyrone being a relatively very large county with a lot of in built advantages, applies double at county underage level, the volumes of numbers (& thus a better quality pick) are a different level to smaller counties with only Donegal in Ulster really comparable in numbers & size. Having said that the Armagh underage set up seems poor enough and Tyrone seems very professional.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 26, 2023, 09:34:52 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 26, 2023, 02:14:01 AM
When one reads that, then it's impressive that Tyrone are there or thereabouts each year.
I made a point in the Ulster Colleges thread about Tyrone being a relatively very large county with a lot of in built advantages, applies double at county underage level, the volumes of numbers (& thus a better quality pick) are a different level to smaller countries with only Donegal in Ulster really comparable in numbers & size. Having said that the Armagh underage set up seems poor enough and Tyrone seems very professional.
Armagh is a small county with too many clubs and too many of those clubs are small clubs; many of whom have to amalgamate at some or all age levels. Every year there's some new team thrown together that I've never heard of. There's even been a rake of clubs at junior level that have appeared and then fizzled out, why they were ever given the green light is beyond me. All the while the potential in the urban areas remains completely neglected.
Apart from the odd anomaly, it's the same clubs at underage doing all the heavy lifting. While I'm all for promoting our games, it doesn't lend itself to a good environment for producing good county teams at underage.
Schools wise you've two (maybe three depending on what St Paul's Bessbrook have coming through) mediocre schools at MacRory level. Yes there's St Colman's and Abbey but even they're not producing teams that can challenge. St Ronan's on size alone should be perennial challengers for MacRory honours.
Tyrone is virtually the opposite of Armagh in terms of numbers of clubs proportionate to the size of the county, standard of clubs, standard of schools, etc
Perhaps when the new centre of excellence is built Armagh will turn a corner at underage.
Quote from: general_lee on March 26, 2023, 11:45:47 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 26, 2023, 09:34:52 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 26, 2023, 02:14:01 AM
When one reads that, then it's impressive that Tyrone are there or thereabouts each year.
I made a point in the Ulster Colleges thread about Tyrone being a relatively very large county with a lot of in built advantages, applies double at county underage level, the volumes of numbers (& thus a better quality pick) are a different level to smaller countries with only Donegal in Ulster really comparable in numbers & size. Having said that the Armagh underage set up seems poor enough and Tyrone seems very professional.
Armagh is a small county with too many clubs and too many of those clubs are small clubs; many of whom have to amalgamate at some or all age levels. Every year there's some new team thrown together that I've never heard of. There's even been a rake of clubs at junior level that have appeared and then fizzled out, why they were ever given the green light is beyond me. All the while the potential in the urban areas remains completely neglected.
Apart from the odd anomaly, it's the same clubs at underage doing all the heavy lifting. While I'm all for promoting our games, it doesn't lend itself to a good environment for producing good county teams at underage.
Schools wise you've two (maybe three depending on what St Paul's Bessbrook have coming through) mediocre schools at MacRory level. Yes there's St Colman's and Abbey but even they're not producing teams that can challenge. St Ronan's on size alone should be perennial challengers for MacRory honours.
Tyrone is virtually the opposite of Armagh in terms of numbers of clubs proportionate to the size of the county, standard of clubs, standard of schools, etc
Perhaps when the new centre of excellence is built Armagh will turn a corner at underage.
Where's the new COE being built at?
Tyrone had 308 registered underage football teams in 2022 while Armagh had 282.
Tyrone had the 12th hightest number of underage teams while Armagh had the 16th overall.
Not exactly a massive gap in the numbers to pick from.
The numbers in other Ulster counties.
Antrim 213
Cavan 296
Derry 268
Donegal 325
Down 298
Fermanagh 136
Monaghan 232
Fair to say Tyrone looking like serious over-achievers in terms of numbers and success.
Quote from: GlenMan on March 25, 2023, 06:31:21 PM
Why are Armagh so poor at underage? They haven't challenged for a thing in the past decade +. Rarely reaching even semi-finals.
Since the All Ireland minor success of 2009 the record has been shocking at both underage grades. I'd say you could count on 2 hands the number of games we've won since then. I can't answer the question of why but whatever we're doing isn't working.
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 26, 2023, 12:36:26 PM
Tyrone had 308 registered underage football teams in 2022 while Armagh had 282.
Tyrone had the 12th hightest number of underage teams while Armagh had the 16th overall.
Not exactly a massive gap in the numbers to pick from.
The numbers in other Ulster counties.
Antrim 213
Cavan 296
Derry 268
Donegal 325
Down 298
Fermanagh 136
Monaghan 232
Fair to say Tyrone looking like serious over-achievers in terms of numbers and success.
I'd like to see the actual breakdown of that data. Armagh have 44 senior clubs, Tyrone have 53, a 17% difference in actual clubs, but it doesn't tell you the difference in sizes, memberships and most importantly quality.
Tyrone are undoubtedly doing a lot right at underage but i've always thought Derry are the real over achievers in underage county football in Ulster.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 26, 2023, 01:37:15 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 26, 2023, 12:36:26 PM
Tyrone had 308 registered underage football teams in 2022 while Armagh had 282.
Tyrone had the 12th hightest number of underage teams while Armagh had the 16th overall.
Not exactly a massive gap in the numbers to pick from.
The numbers in other Ulster counties.
Antrim 213
Cavan 296
Derry 268
Donegal 325
Down 298
Fermanagh 136
Monaghan 232
Fair to say Tyrone looking like serious over-achievers in terms of numbers and success.
I'd like to see the actual breakdown of that data. Armagh have 44 senior clubs, Tyrone have 53, a 17% difference in actual clubs, but it doesn't tell you the difference in sizes, memberships and most importantly quality.
Tyrone are undoubtedly doing a lot right at underage but i've always thought Derry are the real over achievers in underage county football in Ulster.
Those figures were taken from the GAA Annual Report which doesn't break it down any further.
Also these figures don't give the breakdown by age ranges which would tell if numbers are growing/stagnant or falling.
Not as simple as saying we are a small county. We're not huge but size isn't the issue! Doesn't explain why we can't get a win in a championship match at any underage level (or senior for that matter). Massively underperforming at underage.
A stupid way to compare counties. Cavan have a club atevery cross road for example, this list means nothing.
Derry got a shocking record at the U21/20 level. Only 1 All-Ireland win (1997) since 1968. 65 odd years. There do not have the same attitude to this age group as minor.Mostly likely due to no actual league at this level. Don't know the criteria for picking players, and not up in owenbeg but is the U20 training with the Senior team again this year? Otherwise I don't see how the players on the senior panel actually train/ drill with their own U-20 panel.
11 of that Derry team started and won the 2020 Minor All Ireland final. Eoin McEvoy would be a 12th is he injured or staying with the seniors?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsVOmbBWIAIETRq?format=jpg&name=small)
Strong line out that from Derry, with McEvoy still to come in
Would Ryan McNicholl be involved in that panel as well? he got a bad injury for the minors last year
I must have misunderstood the new rule, i thought Murray and Downey were cup tied as they played for the seniors on sunday past. I thought there was a 7 day rule
Quote from: God14 on March 29, 2023, 08:43:39 AM
Strong line out that from Derry, with McEvoy still to come in
Would Ryan McNicholl be involved in that panel as well? he got a bad injury for the minors last year
I must have misunderstood the new rule, i thought Murray and Downey were cup tied as they played for the seniors on sunday past. I thought there was a 7 day rule
Championship rule only is it not?
A few famous names in that Derry line up.
Sons of the 90s teams?
Quote from: God14 on March 29, 2023, 08:43:39 AM
Strong line out that from Derry, with McEvoy still to come in
Would Ryan McNicholl be involved in that panel as well? he got a bad injury for the minors last year
I must have misunderstood the new rule, i thought Murray and Downey were cup tied as they played for the seniors on sunday past. I thought there was a 7 day rule
McNicholl would have been involved surely. Was minor captain last year. He was a huge loss despite a great year for them.
Quote from: J70 on March 29, 2023, 05:49:54 PM
A few famous names in that Derry line up.
Sons of the 90s teams?
Yassir x 3 afaik
Quarter final results which includes the Ulster and All Ireland champions Tyrone making their exit.
Tyrone 1-8 Down 2-9
Cavan 0-13 Monaghan 1-11
Donegal 0-9 Antrim 0-9 (extra time to be played)
Fermanagh 0-8 Derry 3-12
Semi final draw?
Big result in Omagh. V surprised to see that. Even when they went behind early on, I'd have expected them to recover.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 29, 2023, 08:58:05 PM
Semi final draw?
Down v Monaghan
Derry v Antrim / Donegal
Played Wednesday 12th April 7:30 - not sure on venues could be neutral
Brilliant performance by Down
Quote from: Estimator on March 29, 2023, 09:00:21 PM
Big result in Omagh. V surprised to see that. Even when they went behind early on, I'd have expected them to recover.
Younger boys at the club earlier were saying that Down were going to win, and were all on them @ 7/1. Seems like they knew something
is tyrone out of all ireland aswell or is their a back door for u20
Donegal win 5-4 on penalties and go through to the Semi Finals!
Quote from: Eire90 on March 29, 2023, 09:44:18 PM
is tyrone out of all ireland aswell or is their a back door for u20
They are out , it's straight knockout
The Tyrone result is a big shock. One of the favs for the All-Ireland out in 1st round.
Who would be favourites for Ulster now?
Quote from: ck on March 29, 2023, 10:51:27 PM
The Tyrone result is a big shock. One of the favs for the All-Ireland out in 1st round.
Who would be favourites for Ulster now?
Derry and as i stated yesterday they had 11 of their 2020 Minor All Ireland winners on their current U20 team.
And two injured in McAvoy and Brady, both certs when fit
Quote from: ck on March 29, 2023, 10:51:27 PM
The Tyrone result is a big shock. One of the favs for the All-Ireland out in 1st round.
Who would be favourites for Ulster now?
Derry would have been favorites before the Tyrone exit even. Derry won all the Ulster competitions at this age group coming up (Buncrana Cup etc) and then won the All Ireland minor. I'm not one to be bigging us up usually and anything can happen on any given day but anyone who's been involved with or kept an eye on this age group knows that.
Quote from: Rawhide on March 29, 2023, 11:39:16 PM
And two injured in McAvoy and Brady, both certs when fit
Has Brady developed much post minor? Not sure on that. Forbes is a star in the making at LHB (Bradys position at minor).
Monaghan v Down will be an interesting semi-final. Huge result by Down to knock Tyrone out. Monaghan have started slowly in their games against Cavan and Armagh. But reeled both in and the longer the games went on they looked like the more likely winner. Both Armagh and Cavan will regret kicking a shit load of wides in the first half of both games when they were a few points up. Both if they were more clinical really could have killed Monaghan off. But this Monaghan team are a tenacious bunch with 4 or 5 superb talents (especially Mooney up front). Derry still favourites and I expect them to win their semi-final handy enough.
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
Think the same minor team was something similar, lost out to Fermanagh from memory.
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
Must be some sort of record that. Burren could easily become the main force in Ulster over the next few years.
Think every team should raise the white flag and let Derry walk.
That full forward line is scary
Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2023, 09:39:43 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
Must be some sort of record that. Burren could easily become the main force in Ulster over the next few years.
Another from Burren on panel but carrying an injury. This squad at minor level were let down by their management team.
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
I'm sure Cross have been up there, st galls in antrim and the likes of the carlow county champions years ago had a pile of players on the team.
Cargin had, I think, 6 on the antrim team last night and I think one came on and played a major role too.
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Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2023, 09:39:43 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
Must be some sort of record that. Burren could easily become the main force in Ulster over the next few years.
Another from Burren on panel but carrying an injury. This squad at minor level were let down by their management team.
How many are on the Down senior squad? Murdock in midfield?
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 30, 2023, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
I'm sure Cross have been up there, st galls in antrim and the likes of the carlow county champions years ago had a pile of players on the team.
Cargin had, I think, 6 on the antrim team last night and I think one came on and played a major role too.
Don't recall Cross ever having 10/11 on a county squad with 8 on the starting team. With respect to both Antrim or Carlow, I don't think either would ever have been at the level of being capable of dethroning the current AI champions either.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 30, 2023, 10:43:45 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 30, 2023, 10:22:07 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2023, 09:39:43 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
Must be some sort of record that. Burren could easily become the main force in Ulster over the next few years.
Another from Burren on panel but carrying an injury. This squad at minor level were let down by their management team.
How many are on the Down senior squad? Murdock in midfield?
there's a few in senior squad as well, Liam kerr and Odhran Murdock would be nailed on starters, there's also Peter fegan, Ryan magill, Danny magill and Patrick McCarthy who have all featured at different times in the league
Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2023, 11:24:21 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 30, 2023, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
I'm sure Cross have been up there, st galls in antrim and the likes of the carlow county champions years ago had a pile of players on the team.
Cargin had, I think, 6 on the antrim team last night and I think one came on and played a major role too.
Don't recall Cross ever having 10/11 on a county squad with 8 on the starting team. With respect to both Antrim or Carlow, I don't think either would ever have been at the level of being capable of dethroning the current AI champions either.
Aged defined groups are different, yes Tyrone were the current champions of last year but that means a batch of lads can't play so there for not the same team nor dethroning the AI champions, with respect ;)
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Quote from: imtommygunn on March 30, 2023, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
I'm sure Cross have been up there, st galls in antrim and the likes of the carlow county champions years ago had a pile of players on the team.
Cargin had, I think, 6 on the antrim team last night and I think one came on and played a major role too.
Don't recall Cross ever having 10/11 on a county squad with 8 on the starting team. With respect to both Antrim or Carlow, I don't think either would ever have been at the level of being capable of dethroning the current AI champions either.
Aged defined groups are different, yes Tyrone were the current champions of last year but that means a batch of lads can't play so there for not the same team nor dethroning the AI champions, with respect ;)
That's a fair point it's not the same side but I'd say Tyrone are still fairly competitive and among the top sides in the competition so to go and win in Omagh is no mean feat for them. I suppose time will tell on the relative strength of this Down side but I would expect to see a Down v Derry final which will be the litmus test for them.
How many have Tyrone on the team from last year? Still a mighty result for Down whatever the context.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 30, 2023, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: tc_manchester on March 30, 2023, 08:53:56 AM
Down had 8 lads starting from Burren and 2 subs. This is the highest number of players from one team to represent a county I've ever seen
I'm sure Cross have been up there, st galls in antrim and the likes of the carlow county champions years ago had a pile of players on the team.
Cargin had, I think, 6 on the antrim team last night and I think one came on and played a major role too.
I'm pretty sure that Cross never had so many on an underage team. In Armagh, underage teams often have a spread of clubs, Cross just doesn't lose as many in the transition to senior.
Quote from: IronMike247 on March 30, 2023, 12:23:51 PM
How many have Tyrone on the team from last year? Still a mighty result for Down whatever the context.
Last year All Ireland final team.
S McMenamin,
M Rafferty, B Conway, E Corry,
J Donaghy S Donaghy, N Devlin
R McHugh C Daly
C Cush C Bogue
R Canavan S O'Donnell, M McGleenan, D Muldoon.
Subs brought on
G Potter, F Taggart, S Daly, L Donnelly, L McGarrity.
Team last night
C McAneney;
M Rafferty, E McCaffrey, B Hughes;
G Potter, F Taggart, B Cullen;
R McHugh, F Hayes;
C Cush, O Gormley,
R Canavan;
S O'Donnell, O Miller, R Cassidy.
Subs:
J Donaghy, E McElholm, S O'Hare, O Brolly, C Daly
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Quote from: IronMike247 on March 30, 2023, 12:23:51 PM
How many have Tyrone on the team from last year? Still a mighty result for Down whatever the context.
Last year All Ireland final team.
S McMenamin,
M Rafferty, B Conway, E Corry,
J Donaghy S Donaghy, N Devlin
R McHugh C Daly
C Cush C Bogue R Canavan
S O'Donnell, M McGleenan, D Muldoon.
Subs brought on G Potter, F Taggart, S Daly, L Donnelly, L McGarrity.
Team last night
C McAneney;
M Rafferty, E McCaffrey, B Hughes;
G Potter, F Taggart, B Cullen;
R McHugh, F Hayes;
C Cush, O Gormley, R Canavan;
S O'Donnell, O Miller, R Cassidy.
Subs: J Donaghy, E McElholm, S O'Hare, O Brolly, C Daly
Different C Daly, Ciaran played last year Callum came on last night.
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on March 30, 2023, 05:48:07 PM
Different C Daly, Ciaran played last year Callum came on last night.
Fair enough, edited corrected.
Rory Gallagher unhappy that Derry have five U20s in their squad who will be ineligible against Fermanagh in the Senior championship if named in Derry's U20 squad this week v Donegal.
That's a very bad situation and stupid rule too. McAvoy def start with Downey, Murray likely to come off the bench, he's to be annoyed. Panel thin already plus a few men injured. Do you keep the players and cause the U-20 team a lost when they could win a Ulster?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 03, 2023, 11:49:34 PM
That's a very bad situation and stupid rule too. McAvoy def start with Downey, Murray likely to come off the bench, he's to be annoyed. Panel thin already plus a few men injured. Do you keep the players and cause the U-20 team a lost when they could win a Ulster?
Why has he 5 U20 players on his panel?
You'd think there'd be another 5 seasoned lads who would do a job in the senior squad.
Derry should get over the line V Fermanagh but shouldn't need lads who are 18, 19 and 20 to do it.
As stated before, he should have used a few more players during the league. Be interesting to see the varying amounts of players used in the different divisions throughout the league.
Derry will play Donegal this Saturday 8th in owenbeg, match has been brought forward. Down have home advantage against Monaghan in the other semi next Wednesday 12th
Quote from: marty34 on April 03, 2023, 11:54:06 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 03, 2023, 11:49:34 PM
That's a very bad situation and stupid rule too. McAvoy def start with Downey, Murray likely to come off the bench, he's to be annoyed. Panel thin already plus a few men injured. Do you keep the players and cause the U-20 team a lost when they could win a Ulster?
Why has he 5 U20 players on his panel?
You'd think there'd be another 5 seasoned lads who would do a job in the senior squad.
Derry should get over the line V Fermanagh but shouldn't need lads who are 18, 19 and 20 to do it.
As stated before, he should have used a few more players during the league. Be interesting to see the varying amounts of players used in the different divisions throughout the league.
Waldorf and Statler, you pair should be down in Owenbeg offering your services to Gallagher and his management team. Be a fairly safe bet men that Gallagher, a proven winner who leaves no stone unturned doesn't have the very best players onboard who are able / willing to commit.
From Div 4 to Div 1, Ulster champs and able to go toe to toe with pretty much any team in the land. But what does Gallagher know?
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Quote from: marty34 on April 03, 2023, 11:54:06 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 03, 2023, 11:49:34 PM
That's a very bad situation and stupid rule too. McAvoy def start with Downey, Murray likely to come off the bench, he's to be annoyed. Panel thin already plus a few men injured. Do you keep the players and cause the U-20 team a lost when they could win a Ulster?
Why has he 5 U20 players on his panel?
You'd think there'd be another 5 seasoned lads who would do a job in the senior squad.
Derry should get over the line V Fermanagh but shouldn't need lads who are 18, 19 and 20 to do it.
As stated before, he should have used a few more players during the league. Be interesting to see the varying amounts of players used in the different divisions throughout the league.
Waldorf and Statler, you pair should be down in Owenbeg offering your services to Gallagher and his management team. Be a fairly safe bet men that Gallagher, a proven winner who leaves no stone unturned doesn't have the very best players onboard who are able / willing to commit.
From Div 4 to Div 1, Ulster champs and able to go toe to toe with pretty much any team in the land. But what does Gallagher know?
+1
Derry v Donegal semi final tomorrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMvewW1_ZCg
Down v Monaghan semi final on Wednesday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0cwGxHYi8o
Some dive by No.17 for Donegal.
Derry not exciting themselves against a very poor Donegal side
Donegal are hugely disappointing Derry will be happy enough with that performance considering Murray and McEvoy are both missing!
Higgins and McCullagh both going well.
Donegal are now 8pts down, and played 15men behind the ball the whole game when they are behind.
There literally should be about 15pts in it, game been that 1 sided.
FT Derry 0-11 Donegal 0-5. Back in February Derry beat Donegal by 5 in the Leo Murphy Cup Development League that form carried through today.
Just can't understand the logic of Donegal under 20s today , down by 5or 6points in the second half playing as defensive as they did
In fairness the wind was serious today. Derry well below par. A big positive was McCullagh. Missed the AI minor campaign with injury but is progressing very well. We need more rangey players at senior level who can score from distance. Hopefully he steps up in time.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 09:47:14 AM
In fairness the wind was serious today. Derry well below par. A big positive was McCullagh. Missed the AI minor campaign with injury but is progressing very well. We need more rangey players at senior level who can score from distance. Hopefully he steps up in time.
What Club does young Mc Cullagh hail from?
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 09, 2023, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 09:47:14 AM
In fairness the wind was serious today. Derry well below par. A big positive was McCullagh. Missed the AI minor campaign with injury but is progressing very well. We need more rangey players at senior level who can score from distance. Hopefully he steps up in time.
What Club does young Mc Cullagh hail from?
Slaughtneil
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 12:41:04 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 09, 2023, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 09:47:14 AM
In fairness the wind was serious today. Derry well below par. A big positive was McCullagh. Missed the AI minor campaign with injury but is progressing very well. We need more rangey players at senior level who can score from distance. Hopefully he steps up in time.
What Club does young Mc Cullagh hail from?
Slaughtneil
Thank you.
Didn't know there were Mc Cullaghs in Slaughtneil, I thought it might have been a screen name.
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 12:41:04 PM
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 09:47:14 AM
In fairness the wind was serious today. Derry well below par. A big positive was McCullagh. Missed the AI minor campaign with injury but is progressing very well. We need more rangey players at senior level who can score from distance. Hopefully he steps up in time.
What Club does young Mc Cullagh hail from?
Slaughtneil
Thank you.
Didn't know there were Mc Cullaghs in Slaughtneil, I thought it might have been a screen name.
His granda is a Tyrone man who moved to Corlacky. His uncle Joe would have been a mainstay of the Swatragh team of the 90s.
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Quote from: Derryman forever on April 09, 2023, 12:47:38 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 12:41:04 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 09, 2023, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 09:47:14 AM
In fairness the wind was serious today. Derry well below par. A big positive was McCullagh. Missed the AI minor campaign with injury but is progressing very well. We need more rangey players at senior level who can score from distance. Hopefully he steps up in time.
What Club does young Mc Cullagh hail from?
Slaughtneil
Thank you.
Didn't know there were Mc Cullaghs in Slaughtneil, I thought it might have been a screen name.
His granda is a Tyrone man who moved to Corlacky. His uncle Joe would have been a mainstay of the Swatragh team of the 90s.
Didn't know he was related to big Joe , first time I saw him play ,he was very impressive
Some size o men up round Swa these days, what they feedin them...
It's a very big Derry U-20 team
Higgins is a unit definitely should be involved with the seniors next year
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on April 09, 2023, 06:15:08 PM
Higgins is a unit definitely should be involved with the seniors next year
For me, he was the stand out when they won the minor title, some talent.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 09, 2023, 05:04:58 PM
Some size o men up round Swa these days, what they feedin them...
No idea, they ran me out round the turn of the century because I was only 6' 2".
Well, there may have been other reasons.
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 09:47:14 AM
In fairness the wind was serious today. Derry well below par. A big positive was McCullagh. Missed the AI minor campaign with injury but is progressing very well. We need more rangey players at senior level who can score from distance. Hopefully he steps up in time.
What Club does young Mc Cullagh hail from?
Slaughtneil
Thank you.
Didn't know there were Mc Cullaghs in Slaughtneil, I thought it might have been a screen name.
His granda is a Tyrone man who moved to Corlacky. His uncle Joe would have been a mainstay of the Swatragh team of the 90s.
Ah big Joe, an oul classmate
Not a bad player either, just seemed to lose interest after minor
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 12:41:04 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 09, 2023, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 09:47:14 AM
In fairness the wind was serious today. Derry well below par. A big positive was McCullagh. Missed the AI minor campaign with injury but is progressing very well. We need more rangey players at senior level who can score from distance. Hopefully he steps up in time.
What Club does young Mc Cullagh hail from?
Slaughtneil
Thank you.
Didn't know there were Mc Cullaghs in Slaughtneil, I thought it might have been a screen name.
His granda is a Tyrone man who moved to Corlacky. His uncle Joe would have been a mainstay of the Swatragh team of the 90s.
Ah big Joe, an oul classmate
Not a bad player either, just seemed to lose interest after minor
Lot of injuries, including cruciate iirc. Still had a long career with us. Captain in 1993 when we got to senior final.
Didn't realise Joe was captain in 93
But for injuries and a bit more commitment from your no.8, the swa could've had the mcgilligan tohill combination at club level
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Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 09, 2023, 05:04:58 PM
Some size o men up round Swa these days, what they feedin them...
No idea, they ran me out round the turn of the century because I was only 6' 2".
Well, there may have been other reasons.
Theres a story there lol. Tell all Champion yer among friends here 😉😁
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Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on April 09, 2023, 07:20:12 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 09, 2023, 05:04:58 PM
Some size o men up round Swa these days, what they feedin them...
No idea, they ran me out round the turn of the century because I was only 6' 2".
Well, there may have been other reasons.
Theres a story there lol. Tell all Champion yer among friends here 😉😁
I was posting shite on internet message boards.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on April 09, 2023, 07:18:51 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on April 09, 2023, 06:15:08 PM
Higgins is a unit definitely should be involved with the seniors next year
For me, he was the stand out when they won the minor title, some talent.
Christ no. Downey and Murray.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on April 09, 2023, 07:18:51 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on April 09, 2023, 06:15:08 PM
Higgins is a unit definitely should be involved with the seniors next year
For me, he was the stand out when they won the minor title, some talent.
Christ no. Downey and Murray.
Doherty was good that year too many of the match in the Ulster and all Ireland final from memory
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on April 09, 2023, 10:16:52 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 09, 2023, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on April 09, 2023, 07:18:51 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on April 09, 2023, 06:15:08 PM
Higgins is a unit definitely should be involved with the seniors next year
For me, he was the stand out when they won the minor title, some talent.
Christ no. Downey and Murray.
Doherty was good that year too many of the match in the Ulster and all Ireland final from memory
Yeah he was excellent. Very brave player
Down leading Monaghan 1-10 to 0-5 at half time. Down on top all over the field and should be further ahead, brilliant goal by oisin savage. Monaghan depending on frees to get their scores
Down 1-17 Monaghan 1-9 ft, Down through to play Derry in the final. Comfortable win for Down, match was over long before the final whistle
Any idea of date for final? I'm assuming Omagh as venue
Quote from: snoopdog on April 12, 2023, 10:54:06 PM
Any idea of date for final? I'm assuming Omagh as venue
Athletic Grounds??
Final down for next Weds - 26th. Would it not be better next Sunday even. Allow lads to play. Murdock and McEvoy the two main players likely to lose out. Silly.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 19, 2023, 08:34:30 PM
Final down for next Weds - 26th. Would it not be better next Sunday even. Allow lads to play. Murdock and McEvoy the two main players likely to lose out. Silly.
plus it would get a bigger crowd, Wednesday night is no night for an Ulster final.
Athletic Grounds confirmed as the venue with a 7.30pm start time
Down senior panel named, and despite the report in the Irish News, Murdoch will be available for the U20s as he is not in the 26.
even next friday would be better.
Quote from: Estimator on April 21, 2023, 11:19:14 AM
Down senior panel named, and despite the report in the Irish News, Murdoch will be available for the U20s as he is in the 26.
I don't think Murdock is in the 26
Right who's winning it. Derry likely to be missing 2 best players. Down at full strength?
Derry the stronger team at full strength. McAvoy def not start, probably either, Murray. Downey I wouldn't be sure about.
Can you be on the subs, not come on, and still be able to play on Saturday?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 24, 2023, 09:50:04 PM
Can you be on the subs, not come on, and still be able to play on Saturday?
I think so. According to this piece in Irish news.
' If those players were to play any part in the Ulster U20 semi-final against Donegal next Wednesday night, either starting or as a substitute, they would be rendered ineligible for Derry seniors' game against Fermanagh next Saturday.
The motion passed at Congress in February had read that a player involved with the county's U20s may only play senior championship "in each seven-day period (Friday morning to the following Thursday night). Coming on as a substitute constitutes playing a game." '
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/04/04/news/no_plans_to_revisit_u20_ruling_say_gaa-3183534/
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 24, 2023, 06:16:30 PM
Right who's winning it. Derry likely to be missing 2 best players. Down at full strength?
Bookies have Derry odds on 10/11. +1 handicap. Down on a good run though and creating lots of goal chances. Looking forward to it.
Bookies don't know the inside track. Mc Avoy nor Murray playing due to the senior semi final on Saturday. Changes everything. Another Gaa balls up that is easy to remedy. i.e. they could play two games in a week for one week.
Quote from: shawshank on April 25, 2023, 01:46:02 PM
Bookies don't know the inside track. Mc Avoy nor Murray playing due to the senior semi final on Saturday. Changes everything. Another Gaa balls up that is easy to remedy. i.e. they could play two games in a week for one week.
Ha! Bookies always know the inside track. Very few Barney Curley moves get past them now.
Is the final on Ulster TV?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 25, 2023, 07:45:17 PM
Quote from: p3427977 on April 25, 2023, 07:36:47 PM
Is the final on Ulster TV?
Assume tg4 YouTube?
https://twitter.com/SportTG4/status/1650817164012560385
TG4 TV channel
Apparently Down captain Ryan Magill is out injured for the Derry game. Played very well in the division 3 nfl matched for the seniors. Would be a considerable loss for the u20s.
Murray and McEvoy not listed for tomorrow night.
PP have Derry 6/5 outsiders and Bet365 8/11 favs... who knows 🤷♂️
Funny I would listed Murray at least, and possible use Murray as a last resort. I suppose what more important, making a senior Ulster final, where based on the last game he maybe play 5-10mins .possible Losing a, U-20 final or actually lose both.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 25, 2023, 10:52:27 PM
Funny I would listed Murray at least, and possible use Murray as a last resort. I suppose what more important, making a senior Ulster final, where based on the last game he maybe play 5-10mins .possible Losing a, U-20 final or actually lose both.
I'd let all U20s play in the U20 final. Plenty of time for them to play for the seniors including this year with the upcoming group stage.
Total short termism from Gallagher. No consideration for the players in this team and what winning this does do to their county self belief for the future. All about his own position and one game in a few days time.
Quote from: shawshank on April 26, 2023, 10:14:29 AM
Total short termism from Gallagher. No consideration for the players in this team and what winning this does do to their county self belief for the future. All about his own position and one game in a few days time.
Probably shows the difference in having an 'inside' and an 'outside' manager. If Down win the u20's and Derry win an Ulster senior championship have both managers made the right call?
I only saw the Derry 1st 15 named so details of the wider panel, and no info regarding the Down team at all.
The Derry lads in question could yet be named in the 26 and the few changes before throw in take place.
I'm only going of the Derry twitter page so apologies if the 26 have been named elsewhere.
At elite sport level (which let's face it GAA is) a talented u18 or u20 that's good enough for seniors would play seniors. If it came to it who would Evan Ferguson play for? Ireland seniors or underage. I reckon seniors every day.
Quote from: ardtole on April 26, 2023, 10:45:55 AM
I only saw the Derry 1st 15 named so details of the wider panel, and no info regarding the Down team at all.
The Derry lads in question could yet be named in the 26 and the few changes before throw in take place.
I'm only going of the Derry twitter page so apologies if the 26 have been named elsewhere.
Both teams only named 24 in the programme.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 11:50:26 AM
At elite sport level (which let's face it GAA is) a talented u18 or u20 that's good enough for seniors would play seniors. If it came to it who would Evan Ferguson play for? Ireland seniors or underage. I reckon seniors every day.
a medal is not to be sniffed at
not too many chances for guys to win them
Underage football is about producing players. It's not a win at all costs mentality. Senior football is. Especially in Derry where our Ulster champ record is pitiful.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 11:50:26 AM
At elite sport level (which let's face it GAA is) a talented u18 or u20 that's good enough for seniors would play seniors. If it came to it who would Evan Ferguson play for? Ireland seniors or underage. I reckon seniors every day.
Like David Clifford did.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 12:43:29 PM
Underage football is about producing players. It's not a win at all costs mentality. Senior football is. Especially in Derry where our Ulster champ record is pitiful.
That's it. In general i'm happy we seem to have a series of very strong underage teams coming through (regardless of winning it or not). This can only help to supplement the senior side if we want to cement ourselves as one of the better sides in the country in the coming years.
Does Derry seniors need to be relying on teenagers to win championship games? I'm sure Derry's objective is to reach another senior All Ireland semi final and that can be done without winning Ulster this year more so than last year. U20 final tonight is knock out and should Derry win it's a decent opportunity to win All Ireland, not allowing your better players play lessen that opportunity.
In 2018 Kerry choose to play David Clifford with the seniors instead of the U20s. Had he played for the U20s I'd have no doubt they would have won that All Ireland, Kerry seniors made their exit at the last eight stage a decision that was worth doing?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 03:24:16 PM
Does Derry seniors need to be relying on teenagers to win championship games? I'm sure Derry's objective is to reach another senior All Ireland semi final and that can be done without winning Ulster this year more so than last year. U20 final tonight is knock out and should Derry win it's a decent opportunity to win All Ireland, not allowing your better players play lessen that opportunity.
In 2018 Kerry choose to play David Clifford with the seniors instead of the U20s. Had he played for the U20s I'd have no doubt they would have won that All Ireland, Kerry seniors made their exit at the last eight stage a decision that was worth doing?
Right now the answer is yes - otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. For years we were asleep at the wheel and only from Glass/McGuigan's age group down have we consistently got things right at minor level and started producing players. I'll refer to my previous statement - underage is not about a win at all costs mentality!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 03:24:16 PM
Does Derry seniors need to be relying on teenagers to win championship games? I'm sure Derry's objective is to reach another senior All Ireland semi final and that can be done without winning Ulster this year more so than last year. U20 final tonight is knock out and should Derry win it's a decent opportunity to win All Ireland, not allowing your better players play lessen that opportunity.
In 2018 Kerry choose to play David Clifford with the seniors instead of the U20s. Had he played for the U20s I'd have no doubt they would have won that All Ireland, Kerry seniors made their exit at the last eight stage a decision that was worth doing?
Right now the answer is yes - otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. For years we were asleep at the wheel and only from Glass/McGuigan's age group down have we consistently got things right at minor level and started producing players. I'll refer to my previous statement - underage is not about a win at all costs mentality!
Does not speak volumes then. Winning mentality can also be built up at U20 level especially if All Ireland title is won.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 03:24:16 PM
Does Derry seniors need to be relying on teenagers to win championship games? I'm sure Derry's objective is to reach another senior All Ireland semi final and that can be done without winning Ulster this year more so than last year. U20 final tonight is knock out and should Derry win it's a decent opportunity to win All Ireland, not allowing your better players play lessen that opportunity.
In 2018 Kerry choose to play David Clifford with the seniors instead of the U20s. Had he played for the U20s I'd have no doubt they would have won that All Ireland, Kerry seniors made their exit at the last eight stage a decision that was worth doing?
Right now the answer is yes - otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. For years we were asleep at the wheel and only from Glass/McGuigan's age group down have we consistently got things right at minor level and started producing players. I'll refer to my previous statement - underage is not about a win at all costs mentality!
Does not speak volumes then. Winning mentality can also be built up at U20 level especially if All Ireland title is won.
What are you blethering on about? If they are deemed to be good enough to be in the senior team / squad, then their age is totally irrelevant.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 26, 2023, 04:43:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 03:24:16 PM
Does Derry seniors need to be relying on teenagers to win championship games? I'm sure Derry's objective is to reach another senior All Ireland semi final and that can be done without winning Ulster this year more so than last year. U20 final tonight is knock out and should Derry win it's a decent opportunity to win All Ireland, not allowing your better players play lessen that opportunity.
In 2018 Kerry choose to play David Clifford with the seniors instead of the U20s. Had he played for the U20s I'd have no doubt they would have won that All Ireland, Kerry seniors made their exit at the last eight stage a decision that was worth doing?
Right now the answer is yes - otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. For years we were asleep at the wheel and only from Glass/McGuigan's age group down have we consistently got things right at minor level and started producing players. I'll refer to my previous statement - underage is not about a win at all costs mentality!
Does not speak volumes then. Winning mentality can also be built up at U20 level especially if All Ireland title is won.
What are you blethering on about? If they are deemed to be good enough to be in the senior team / squad, then their age is totally irrelevant.
You only have to look at club football in Derry to know there should be enough players aged 21 to early 30s to fill in for any teenagers until the U20 championship is over. Something is fundamentally wrong if you are relying on those young lads to win championship matches and Sunday isn't a knock out tie.
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Quote from: JoG2 on April 26, 2023, 04:43:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 03:24:16 PM
Does Derry seniors need to be relying on teenagers to win championship games? I'm sure Derry's objective is to reach another senior All Ireland semi final and that can be done without winning Ulster this year more so than last year. U20 final tonight is knock out and should Derry win it's a decent opportunity to win All Ireland, not allowing your better players play lessen that opportunity.
In 2018 Kerry choose to play David Clifford with the seniors instead of the U20s. Had he played for the U20s I'd have no doubt they would have won that All Ireland, Kerry seniors made their exit at the last eight stage a decision that was worth doing?
Right now the answer is yes - otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. For years we were asleep at the wheel and only from Glass/McGuigan's age group down have we consistently got things right at minor level and started producing players. I'll refer to my previous statement - underage is not about a win at all costs mentality!
Does not speak volumes then. Winning mentality can also be built up at U20 level especially if All Ireland title is won.
What are you blethering on about? If they are deemed to be good enough to be in the senior team / squad, then their age is totally irrelevant.
You only have to look at club football in Derry to know there should be enough players aged 21 to early 30s to fill in for any teenagers until the U20 championship is over. Something is fundamentally wrong if you are relying on those young lads to win championship matches and Sunday isn't a knock out tie.
Right, so you have a age limit, no younger than 21. What about Monaghan in the their senior game, what nobody older than 33? Must be Monaghan men aged 33 and under and not have to be relying on older men. Every county has to cut their cloth accordingly at any given time ,
obviously!
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 03:24:16 PM
Does Derry seniors need to be relying on teenagers to win championship games? I'm sure Derry's objective is to reach another senior All Ireland semi final and that can be done without winning Ulster this year more so than last year. U20 final tonight is knock out and should Derry win it's a decent opportunity to win All Ireland, not allowing your better players play lessen that opportunity.
In 2018 Kerry choose to play David Clifford with the seniors instead of the U20s. Had he played for the U20s I'd have no doubt they would have won that All Ireland, Kerry seniors made their exit at the last eight stage a decision that was worth doing?
Right now the answer is yes - otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. For years we were asleep at the wheel and only from Glass/McGuigan's age group down have we consistently got things right at minor level and started producing players. I'll refer to my previous statement - underage is not about a win at all costs mentality!
Does not speak volumes then. Winning mentality can also be built up at U20 level especially if All Ireland title is won.
What are you blethering on about? If they are deemed to be good enough to be in the senior team / squad, then their age is totally irrelevant.
You only have to look at club football in Derry to know there should be enough players aged 21 to early 30s to fill in for any teenagers until the U20 championship is over. Something is fundamentally wrong if you are relying on those young lads to win championship matches and Sunday isn't a knock out tie.
Right, so you have a age limit, no younger than 21. What about Monaghan in the their senior game, what nobody older than 33? Must be Monaghan men aged 33 and under and not have to be relying on older men. Every county has to cut their cloth accordingly at any given time , obviously!
And i was the one blethering..
Should Derry reach the AI final in the U20 championship it will be finished two weeks before Derrys All-Ireland senior group stage commences. I think with that in mind i think any U20s on the senior panel should be allowed to play for the U20s
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 03:24:16 PM
Does Derry seniors need to be relying on teenagers to win championship games? I'm sure Derry's objective is to reach another senior All Ireland semi final and that can be done without winning Ulster this year more so than last year. U20 final tonight is knock out and should Derry win it's a decent opportunity to win All Ireland, not allowing your better players play lessen that opportunity.
In 2018 Kerry choose to play David Clifford with the seniors instead of the U20s. Had he played for the U20s I'd have no doubt they would have won that All Ireland, Kerry seniors made their exit at the last eight stage a decision that was worth doing?
Right now the answer is yes - otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. For years we were asleep at the wheel and only from Glass/McGuigan's age group down have we consistently got things right at minor level and started producing players. I'll refer to my previous statement - underage is not about a win at all costs mentality!
Does not speak volumes then. Winning mentality can also be built up at U20 level especially if All Ireland title is won.
What are you blethering on about? If they are deemed to be good enough to be in the senior team / squad, then their age is totally irrelevant.
You only have to look at club football in Derry to know there should be enough players aged 21 to early 30s to fill in for any teenagers until the U20 championship is over. Something is fundamentally wrong if you are relying on those young lads to win championship matches and Sunday isn't a knock out tie.
If you actually knew anything about Derry club football you would realise that infact the players in that age bracket aren't there. Gallagher trawled the county when he took over and many players didn't stick around. Slaughtneil have dominated for a long time and Glen are now taking over that mantle. Below that is Marafelt and Lavey then the drop off is vast! It's not like Derry club football of the 90s with 5-6 top sides. We don't have the depth of Tyrone or Armagh. That will change in the next few years but for now we need 1-2 excellent 19 year olds.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2023, 03:24:16 PM
Does Derry seniors need to be relying on teenagers to win championship games? I'm sure Derry's objective is to reach another senior All Ireland semi final and that can be done without winning Ulster this year more so than last year. U20 final tonight is knock out and should Derry win it's a decent opportunity to win All Ireland, not allowing your better players play lessen that opportunity.
In 2018 Kerry choose to play David Clifford with the seniors instead of the U20s. Had he played for the U20s I'd have no doubt they would have won that All Ireland, Kerry seniors made their exit at the last eight stage a decision that was worth doing?
I'm fairly sure that Sean O'Shea would also have been the age for that 2018 Kerry U20 team but played for seniors instead.
Clifford was also u20 in 2019 ( he never played a single game for the Kerry U20s)
Mark O'Connor was also kept with the seniors in 2017, but never played a minute.
Jack O'Connor was manager in 2018 and there was a fair bit of grumbling about it after Kidare beat them by 2.
Derry won the Ulster U20 title in 2018, Ulster Minor (U18) titles in 2015,2017 how many of those players are currently on the senior panel? All of those players would be aged 23 to 26 now. Around that time Derry also reached and lost a few other underage Ulster finals.
I can understand resting McEvoy because of his importance to the Senior team. Largely due to his position what what Derry needs right now. but I really believe Lachlan Murray should be out there tonight. a player with his talent can be enough to win a game at this level and it doesnt look like he's expected to play a large role against Monaghan is it? a bit of game time tonight could only be good for the lad.
Can the game be streamed anywhere?
Ref very sore on Derry here should have had at least 2 scoreable frees already!
Proper 'modern' game of football so far...
15 minutes played Down 0-1 Derry 0-2
Ref letting things go at the minute. No handy frees being given.
Handy free there for Derry. Ref fell for the old hold onto the arm and fall tactic.
Half time Down 0-4 Derry 0-6.
45 minutes played Down 0-8 Derry 0-9. Down had a few goal chances, via a poor kick out and no keeper in goal.
Quote from: grounded on April 26, 2023, 08:00:28 PM
Handy free there for Derry. Ref fell for the old hold onto the arm and fall tactic.
Being repaid in full this half
Goal for Down. They lead 1-9 to 0-9 51 mins on the clock.
Down man slipped and took the Derry man in a scoreable position out. No free. How does that work?
How was that not a free to Derry too? McCullagh obviously dragged back.
Ref certainly seems to be sore on Derry. The overturned sideline ball was v strange as well.
Game over I can't see how we get a goal... referee not great but Down's senior man made the difference!
A second goal for Down. 2-10 to 0-9.
They can't mark Murdock I think. Down better but ref hasn't been kind to Derry. Really think Derry should have been playing Murray and mcevoy.
Big Murdock a great player. Savage a handful too. Down deserved it even if I thought the ref was harsh on Derry.
Congrats to Down a 2nd Ulster U20 title in 3 years. Full time Down 2-11 Derry 0-9. As for Derry fell away badly after 40 minutes when they led 0-9 to 0-6.
Very honest interview by Conor Laverty. on the 4 Down senior players on tonight's U20 team. "We asked the players which match they wanted to play and took on board their opinions" He feels the GAA have got it wrong and these players should be allowed to play both grades.
Questions have to be asked about how that Down team were handled at minor level. They are a serious outfit.
From the 2020 minor semifinals only Kerry have made it back. Down, Sligo and Kildare have replaced Derry, Roscommon and Meath.
Quote from: Estimator on April 26, 2023, 09:02:19 PM
Questions have to be asked about how that Down team were handled at minor level. They are a serious outfit.
From the 2020 minor semifinals only Kerry have made it back. Down, Sligo and Kildare have replaced Derry, Roscommon and Meath.
Was reading the match report from their minor game. 4 scores from 20 shots. fermagah 10 scores from 11.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 26, 2023, 08:49:37 PM
Congrats to Down a 2nd Ulster U20 title in 3 years. Full time Down 2-11 Derry 0-9. As for Derry fell away badly after 40 minutes when they led 0-9 to 0-6.
Very honest interview by Conor Laverty. on the 4 Down senior players on tonight's U20 team. "We asked the players which match they wanted to play and took on board their opinions" He feels the GAA have got it wrong and these players should be allowed to play both grades.
Yes absolutely and the same with the Derry manager. Interesting what he said as regards the Derry u20 hurlers and the contradictions that seem to be there in the rules. You always want to see the 2 best teams fight it out with their best players on display. Dissapointing for Derry.
Congrats Down and good luck in AI series. Who was that ref and what county. A plonker!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 09:13:22 PM
Congrats Down and good luck in AI series. Who was that ref and what county. A plonker!
the ref was Pat Clarke from Cavan, was at the match and thought he was poor for both teams, didn't think he influenced the result though.
Down were excellent in last 30 minutes, Murdock and Savage are 2 class acts. Great win.
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 09:13:22 PM
Congrats Down and good luck in AI series. Who was that ref and what county. A plonker!
the ref was Pat Clarke from Cavan, was at the match and thought he was poor for both teams, didn't think he influenced the result though.
Down were excellent in last 30 minutes, Murdock and Savage are 2 class acts. Great win.
No question the best team won. Thought he was very harsh on us but maybe that's rose tinted glasses on. Who you play now?
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Quote from: SHEEDY on April 26, 2023, 10:43:57 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 09:13:22 PM
Congrats Down and good luck in AI series. Who was that ref and what county. A plonker!
the ref was Pat Clarke from Cavan, was at the match and thought he was poor for both teams, didn't think he influenced the result though.
Down were excellent in last 30 minutes, Murdock and Savage are 2 class acts. Great win.
No question the best team won. Thought he was very harsh on us but maybe that's rose tinted glasses on. Who you play now?
All Ireland semi finals
Down v Kildare
Kerry v Sligo
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 12:43:29 PM
Underage football is about producing players. It's not a win at all costs mentality. Senior football is. Especially in Derry where our Ulster champ record is pitiful.
Maybe in professional sport it is, but in gaa it's a lot more than that. Great if you can develop and get players to come through to play senior, but for the majority playing in that game tonight, going on to win an all Ireland u20 in croker would almost certainly be the pinnacle of their Gaelic football career. Another all Ireland success at this level would be a fine achievement for the county, it's not as if either county is stacked with medals at any grade and underage success is important in the development of younger players, probably more so when they get such limited game time at senior level.
As someone else mentioned, with the amount of championship action to come this year, getting a few full length quality games under their belts might stand to them better than a few mins towards the end of a couple of games
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Did both teams play their U20s?
Well Naturally enough it was an U20 match so yes the U20s played. However I assume you mean did both teams play their Senior panellists. Down did but Derry didn't play Eoin McEvoy or Lachlan Murray.
Quote from: onefineday on April 27, 2023, 12:57:26 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 12:43:29 PM
Underage football is about producing players. It's not a win at all costs mentality. Senior football is. Especially in Derry where our Ulster champ record is pitiful.
Maybe in professional sport it is, but in gaa it's a lot more than that. Great if you can develop and get players to come through to play senior, but for the majority playing in that game tonight, going on to win an all Ireland u20 in croker would almost certainly be the pinnacle of their Gaelic football career. Another all Ireland success at this level would be a fine achievement for the county, it's not as if either county is stacked with medals at any grade and underage success is important in the development of younger players, probably more so when they get such limited game time at senior level.
As someone else mentioned, with the amount of championship action to come this year, getting a few full length quality games under their belts might stand to them better than a few mins towards the end of a couple of games
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We'll agree to disagree.
Quote from: Estimator on April 26, 2023, 09:02:19 PM
Questions have to be asked about how that Down team were handled at minor level. They are a serious outfit.
From the 2020 minor semifinals only Kerry have made it back. Down, Sligo and Kildare have replaced Derry, Roscommon and Meath.
Covid 19 pandemic ?
Our Minors squeezed past Sligo on a Stephens Day so wet and windy you wouldn't put a wild animal out in it never mind 16 year old gasĂșns.
Sligo obviously had a coaching and development system for those lads afterwards and it showed this year as they bet us and the other 2 big dogs!
One thing struck me watching some of the game last night .... the 7 step rule was being used!
Many of those Down players involved in the win 2 years ago?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 27, 2023, 10:07:07 AM
Many of those Down players involved in the win 2 years ago?
Ryan Magill, Paddy McCarthy and Ordhran Murdock all started 2 years ago
How many of last night's team started in the minors v Fermanagh 2 years ago?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 10:53:18 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 26, 2023, 10:43:57 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 26, 2023, 09:13:22 PM
Congrats Down and good luck in AI series. Who was that ref and what county. A plonker!
the ref was Pat Clarke from Cavan, was at the match and thought he was poor for both teams, didn't think he influenced the result though.
Down were excellent in last 30 minutes, Murdock and Savage are 2 class acts. Great win.
No question the best team won. Thought he was very harsh on us but maybe that's rose tinted glasses on. Who you play now?
I thought Derry came down the harsher side of the decisions, but similarly didn't feel it influenced the result. That said, I actually quite liked how he went about refereeing the game, he had very little sympathy for the ball carrier and gave nothing easy, he was consistent about that too. It goes against the grain nowadays where referees tend to blow for slight contact, so I can see how it infuriated some.
By my reckoning it was the 53rd minute until Derry delivered a foot pass inside to the FF line (discounting a nice threaded pass to the full back who made a clever run inside in first half.) They seemed extremely risk averse even in their running game.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 27, 2023, 10:29:33 AM
How many of last night's team started in the minors v Fermanagh 2 years ago?
By the looks of it 8 involved in both games for Down, and from Derry there was an overlap of 12 players from last night and the 2020 AI Final.
2023Down: OisĂn Treacy;
Fiachra McAvoy, Patrick McCarthy, Finn Murdock; Thomas Hardy,
Ryan Magill,
James Kelly; Odhran Murdock (1-01), Tom McCarroll; Tiarnan Ryan,
Oran Cunningham, Harry Magill;
OisĂn Savage (0-08, 0-05f, 0-01m), Jason Morgan,
Callum Rodgers (0-01)
Subs: Jamie Doran (1-01) for Ryan (23), Cian Cunningham for R Magill (ht), Cormac Greene for McCarroll (55),
Eoin Loughran for Savage (58), Senan Carr for O Cunningham (59)
2020Down: C Grant,
F McEvoy, P McCarthy, L Guinness,
J Kelly, R Magill, E McKernan,
O Murdock, J Howlett, N Toner (1-1),
O Cunningham, O Savage (0-2), T McCartan, Z Murdock,
C Rodgers.Subs: E Loughran for Howlett, W Kelly for J Kelly
As a comparison
2023Derry: B O'Connor; J Murray,
J McDermott (0-1),
L Brady; P McGurk, D Gilmore, R Forbes;
D Higgins, P O'Kane; P McCullagh (0-1),
C Diamond (0-3, 2f),
M Doherty (0-2);
M Downey (0-1, f),
N O'Donnell (0-1), R O Mianain.
Subs:
C Downey for O Mianan, S Deehan for O'Kane, N McGonigle for Doherty
2020Derry: Kian McGonigle;
Patrick McGurk, Lee Brady, Adam McGonigle;
Donncha Gilmore, Eoin McEvoy, Connor Sheils;
Dan Higgins, Patrick O'Kane; Jody McDermott, Matthew Downey, Mark Doherty; Niall O'Donnell, Lachlan Murray,
Charlie Diamond.Subs:
Callum Downey for Dan Higgins (30+1 mins â half time, blood sub), Callum Downey for Charlie Diamond (38 mins), Jude Moore for Adam McGonigle (49 mins),
Peter McCullagh for Lachlan Murray (61 mins).
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Quote from: Estimator on April 26, 2023, 09:02:19 PM
Questions have to be asked about how that Down team were handled at minor level. They are a serious outfit.
From the 2020 minor semifinals only Kerry have made it back. Down, Sligo and Kildare have replaced Derry, Roscommon and Meath.
Covid 19 pandemic ?
CV19 definitely a big factor - from memory that game was played at height of it.
There were several Down players isolating in the run up to the game.
Also the stop/start nature of competition that year was disheartening for the players. I remember at the time motivation was hard to maintain for the players - even if you won the match there was a lot of doubt at the time whether the competition would proceed any further.
Very depressing time looking back.
Plus it was one of those days where nothing clicked on the field for Down - happens sometimes.
I'm sure Fermanagh might have had a lot of the same issues going on, but on the day they got their tactics right (very defensive set up- forced Down into a lot of low percentage shooting) and got the result.
Apologies if wrong page but how does the minors work now after group stage? Top 2 in each group into semis or group winners meet in final?
Is the final before the senior game in clones?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 29, 2023, 09:15:54 PM
Apologies if wrong page but how does the minors work now after group stage? Top 2 in each group into semis or group winners meet in final?
Is the final before the senior game in clones?
8 teams in qf. Only bottom team in 5 team group eliminated.
Starts this weekend. Group format instead of knock out. Tier 2 competitions for more game for every team.
Round 1 â Sat 9th March
Section A
Antrim v Tyrone at Dunsilly
Down v Derry at PĂĄirc Esler
(Monaghan Bye)
Section B
Cavan v Donegal at Kingspan Breffni (March 13th for that game)
Fermanagh v Armagh at St Josephs Park, Ederney
Round 2 â Wed 20th March
Section A
Tyrone v Down at Healy Park
Monaghan v Antrim at Castleblayney
(Derry Bye)
Round 3 â Wed 27th March
Section A
Down v Monaghan at PĂĄirc Esler
Derry v Tyrone at Owenbeg
(Antrim Bye)
Section B
Armagh v Cavan at Athletic Grounds
Donegal v Fermanagh at Ballybofey
Round 4 â Wed 3rd April
Section A
Antrim v Down at Dunsilly
Monaghan v Derry at Castleblayney
(Tyrone Bye)
Round 5 â Wed 10th April
Section A
Tyrone V Monaghan at Healy Park
Derry v Antrim at Owenbeg
(Down Bye)
Section B
Donegal v Armagh at Ballybofey
Fermanagh v Cavan at Brewster Park
U20FC Quarter Finals â Wed 17th April
(First named team has home advantage)
Group A Runner-Up V Third in Group B
Group B Runner-Up V Third in Group A
U20FC Semi Finals â Wed 24th April
(First named team has home advantage)
(1) Winner Section A V QF Winner
(2) Winner Section B V QF Winner
U20FC Final â Wed 1st / Fri 3rd May
Semi Final Winner 1 V Semi Final Winner 2
Tier 2 (Draw to take place between three teams after group stages)
Semi Final â Mon 22nd April
Team that did not qualify V One of QF Losers
Final â Mon 29th April
SF Winner V 3rd Team
Tier 1 & Tier 2
All-Ireland Semi Finals on 11/12 May
Tyrone favorites for Ulster and All Ireland? Still survivors from 2022 team and rest made up of the recent school successes. The new format should also suit them as they can't be caught out on the first day out.
Seen Derry play Dublin last Sat at the Dub, there was some physical difference between the two, Haven't seen Tyrone but they would have to be pretty decent to beat that Dublin team if you are making them favourites for All Ireland
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2024, 01:43:01 PMSeen Derry play Dublin last Sat at the Dub, there was some physical difference between the two, Haven't seen Tyrone but they would have to be pretty decent to beat that Dublin team if you are making them favourites for All Ireland
MR i take it Dublin won that then?
Derry struggled at u17 back in 2021, but as we all know, thats not always a good barometer.
Quote from: God14 on March 07, 2024, 01:49:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2024, 01:43:01 PMSeen Derry play Dublin last Sat at the Dub, there was some physical difference between the two, Haven't seen Tyrone but they would have to be pretty decent to beat that Dublin team if you are making them favourites for All Ireland
MR i take it Dublin won that then?
Derry struggled at u17 back in 2021, but as we all know, thats not always a good barometer.
With a bit to spare, but very competitive, just Dublin were more clinical with the goal chances.. Just a challenge game and you'd take nothing from that of course, but teams are at different stages in their prep and its all about the championship
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2024, 01:43:01 PMSeen Derry play Dublin last Sat at the Dub, there was some physical difference between the two, Haven't seen Tyrone but they would have to be pretty decent to beat that Dublin team if you are making them favourites for All Ireland
Probably plenty of the Dublin 2022 minor team on that U20 team. They won Leinster before losing narrowly to the All-Ireland champions to be Galway.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 07, 2024, 02:22:24 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2024, 01:43:01 PMSeen Derry play Dublin last Sat at the Dub, there was some physical difference between the two, Haven't seen Tyrone but they would have to be pretty decent to beat that Dublin team if you are making them favourites for All Ireland
Probably plenty of the Dublin 2022 minor team on that U20 team. They won Leinster before losing narrowly to the All-Ireland champions to be Galway.
Derry lost to the same Galway team by 1pt in the all Ireland semi-final that year too.
Quote from: God14 on March 07, 2024, 01:49:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2024, 01:43:01 PMSeen Derry play Dublin last Sat at the Dub, there was some physical difference between the two, Haven't seen Tyrone but they would have to be pretty decent to beat that Dublin team if you are making them favourites for All Ireland
MR i take it Dublin won that then?
Derry struggled at u17 back in 2021, but as we all know, thats not always a good barometer.
Don't know if struggled is the right term. They lost a first round game by 1pt after leading most of the game. Straight knock out, so that was that.
They also played about 1 week after winning the previous year's all Ireland minor, with same management team, so preparation was unlikely to be the best and iirc a few key lads were covid isolating too.
Quote from: onefineday on March 08, 2024, 11:38:12 PMQuote from: God14 on March 07, 2024, 01:49:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2024, 01:43:01 PMSeen Derry play Dublin last Sat at the Dub, there was some physical difference between the two, Haven't seen Tyrone but they would have to be pretty decent to beat that Dublin team if you are making them favourites for All Ireland
MR i take it Dublin won that then?
Derry struggled at u17 back in 2021, but as we all know, thats not always a good barometer.
Don't know if struggled is the right term. They lost a first round game by 1pt after leading most of the game. Straight knock out, so that was that.
They also played about 1 week after winning the previous year's all Ireland minor, with same management team, so preparation was unlikely to be the best and iirc a few key lads were covid isolating too.
So Derry are hot favourite for todays game v Down in Newry?
Are any games in Ulster streamed today?
Down v Derry on Ulster gaa tv
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Quote from: snoopdog on March 09, 2024, 08:46:56 AMQuote from: onefineday on March 08, 2024, 11:38:12 PMQuote from: God14 on March 07, 2024, 01:49:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2024, 01:43:01 PMSeen Derry play Dublin last Sat at the Dub, there was some physical difference between the two, Haven't seen Tyrone but they would have to be pretty decent to beat that Dublin team if you are making them favourites for All Ireland
MR i take it Dublin won that then?
Derry struggled at u17 back in 2021, but as we all know, thats not always a good barometer.
Don't know if struggled is the right term. They lost a first round game by 1pt after leading most of the game. Straight knock out, so that was that.
They also played about 1 week after winning the previous year's all Ireland minor, with same management team, so preparation was unlikely to be the best and iirc a few key lads were covid isolating too.
So Derry are hot favourite for todays game v Down in Newry?
Indeed they were. Hammering Down.
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Good jases!!
Will Antrim be the next Kilkenny?
Down 1-9
Derry 2-14
Fermanagh 0-7
Armagh 1-10
Tyrone not even the decency to keep it at Austin 3:16!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 09, 2024, 03:53:27 PMTyrone not even the decency to keep it at Austin 3:16!!
What?
There's just no excuse for the state of football in Antrim.
Quote from: Itchy on March 09, 2024, 05:32:31 PMThere's just no excuse for the state of football in Antrim.
Shocking scoreline, Tyrone could not beat a decent cub team by that margin.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 10, 2024, 01:20:02 AMQuote from: Itchy on March 09, 2024, 05:32:31 PMThere's just no excuse for the state of football in Antrim.
Shocking scoreline, Tyrone could not beat a decent cub team by that margin.
At the same age group? They absolutely would.
As shocking as it is, it's a top end team v a bottom end team. Dublin put 4-30 past Laois in last year's Leinster championship and could have had 8 goals had they wanted.
What would Kerry do to Waterford if they wanted?
I'm not defending the state of football in our county btw.
Tyrone have been the best at all levels in Ulster over the last 20 odd years. And that comes from the massive work put in at underage. I don't believe they have many better players than the likes of Armagh,Derry, Donegal or Down but they have a much better coaching set up. They are years ahead of the rest. Only Derry look to be getting there.
They not a bigger pick also from clubs
Quote from: snoopdog on March 10, 2024, 09:02:44 AMTyrone have been the best at all levels in Ulster over the last 20 odd years. And that comes from the massive work put in at underage. I don't believe they have many better players than the likes of Armagh,Derry, Donegal or Down but they have a much better coaching set up. They are years ahead of the rest. Only Derry look to be getting there.
And that has brought one all Ireland from 2008 onwards.Tyrone do well at underage but seem to bring through alot of players of similar ability rather than generational talents.
In the last 20 years;
Dublin have won 7 Leinster minor titles and 18 Leinster senior titles.
Tyrone have won 8 Ulster minor titles and 6 Ulster senior titles.
I don't know what that tells you, if anything, but I thought it was an interesting stat.
Tells u how bad Leinster senior is for a start.
Why is it when their minor isn't bad?
How are the Dubs kicking on so much after 18?
I know lots of people point to the deck being stacked in their favour in terms of population, financially etc but I wonder why that isn't so evident at minor but completely explodes after it.
They got about 32 senior teams in a 1a and 1b league but only 1a qualify for senior championship as you limit 16. So, they got a massive pick.
I'm not saying that those factors aren't true. I'm just wondering why they aren't presenting themselves as clearly at minor level as they are at senior.
For example, I imagine their pick at minor level is completely enormous in comparison to the other Leinster counties.
It's an interesting point. Senior clubs having very professional setups helps and the standard of the Dublin championship helps. A great team that they just need to drip feed a few players into year on year helps. A manager like gavin helps. The demise of Meath and Kildare has helped though I think they have expedited and compounded it. There are boys currently playing that they won't be able to replace but there's a few years in them yet. Leinster teams have got themselves to such a low ebb I imagine they will dominate it for a long while.
I honestly think Tyrone don't have the right senior setup in place and should challenging for the ai.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2024, 10:14:21 PMIt's an interesting point. Senior clubs having very professional setups helps and the standard of the Dublin championship helps. A great team that they just need to drip feed a few players into year on year helps. A manager like gavin helps. The demise of Meath and Kildare has helped though I think they have expedited and compounded it. There are boys currently playing that they won't be able to replace but there's a few years in them yet. Leinster teams have got themselves to such a low ebb I imagine they will dominate it for a long while.
I honestly think Tyrone don't have the right senior setup in place and should challenging for the ai.
The problem the Tyrone management created for themselves was by winning the AI in their first season, massively overachieving and creating unrealistic expectations. They aren't a top 4 side any more and are well behind Kerry and Dublin.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 10, 2024, 10:50:25 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2024, 10:14:21 PMIt's an interesting point. Senior clubs having very professional setups helps and the standard of the Dublin championship helps. A great team that they just need to drip feed a few players into year on year helps. A manager like gavin helps. The demise of Meath and Kildare has helped though I think they have expedited and compounded it. There are boys currently playing that they won't be able to replace but there's a few years in them yet. Leinster teams have got themselves to such a low ebb I imagine they will dominate it for a long while.
I honestly think Tyrone don't have the right senior setup in place and should challenging for the ai.
The problem the Tyrone management created for themselves was by winning the AI in their first season, massively overachieving and creating unrealistic expectations. They aren't a top 4 side any more and are well behind Kerry and Dublin.
Maybe true but what a great legacy! I'm sure Derry, Mayo, Galway supporters would love that problem!
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 10, 2024, 09:51:45 PMWhy is it when their minor isn't bad?
How are the Dubs kicking on so much after 18?
I know lots of people point to the deck being stacked in their favour in terms of population, financially etc but I wonder why that isn't so evident at minor but completely explodes after it.
From recent experience of young lads I know in the Derry underage set-ups v Dublin underage set-ups, Dublin seems much more geared towards development of players for senior football as opposed to shorter term goals like winning what they see as developmental competition such as minor and u20 Leinster or all Irelands.
I don't like the approach myself as it ignores the inconvenient reality that the vast majority of underage intercounty players will never play senior - purely based on mathematics - and these competitions and games are likely to be the peak of many of their intercounty football careers.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 10, 2024, 10:03:56 PMI'm not saying that those factors aren't true. I'm just wondering why they aren't presenting themselves as clearly at minor level as they are at senior.
For example, I imagine their pick at minor level is completely enormous in comparison to the other Leinster counties.
Absolutely spot on - the pick is enormous at underage - it's so big that to my mind they could easily field multiple underage teams who would be similar standard and competing for honours.
I actually think they definitely should be as it would create a better channel for player development and lead to less disenchantment from talented players who they just can't find spots for.
There's no doubt but that many gooduns slip through the net.
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Brutal from Antrim. What a let down the county board has been to GAA in the county. With the size of the population it is a outright disgrace that the CB would put such a team out. They must be doing zero work at club and schools underage level. I don't blame the players at all, in fact to pull on the jersey and go out and represent their county they are a credit to themselves.
Having McEntee and others up managing the senior team while ignoring underage is f**king pointless. The CB and Northern Switchgear would be better off taking ÂŁ100k out on to the Falls road and setting it on fire. If I was an Antrim man I'd be calling for heads.
Utterly pathetic.
Its as bad as Tyrone Hurling
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 09:10:04 AMIts as bad as Tyrone Hurling
Antrim Hurling is a joke as well ffs. When Antrim hurling is comparable to Tyrone football and the work that is put in is in any way similar you might have room to make a snide remark. If I was from Antrim I'd be pissed. What an embarrassment.
Quote from: trailer on March 11, 2024, 11:54:36 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 09:10:04 AMIts as bad as Tyrone Hurling
Antrim Hurling is a joke as well ffs. When Antrim hurling is comparable to Tyrone football and the work that is put in is in any way similar you might have room to make a snide remark. If I was from Antrim I'd be pissed. What an embarrassment.
Our club teams would put 40 past your county team, proper joke and embarrassment to the county board and Ireland in general ;D
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Brutal from Antrim. What a let down the county board has been to GAA in the county. With the size of the population it is a outright disgrace that the CB would put such a team out. They must be doing zero work at club and schools underage level. I don't blame the players at all, in fact to pull on the jersey and go out and represent their county they are a credit to themselves.
Having McEntee and others up managing the senior team while ignoring underage is f**king pointless. The CB and Northern Switchgear would be better off taking ÂŁ100k out on to the Falls road and setting it on fire. If I was an Antrim man I'd be calling for heads.
Utterly pathetic.
You'd feel sorry for the Antrim footballers there surely. Should be competitive given the pick they would have. I know our underage record is nothing to boast about but there is a pile of work being done in the background to improve it.
As much as I hate to say it the Tyronies are a credit with the work being done at underage and at school level (hopefully that doesn't translate to seniors or the rest of us are in bother)
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 10, 2024, 10:03:56 PMI'm not saying that those factors aren't true. I'm just wondering why they aren't presenting themselves as clearly at minor level as they are at senior.
For example, I imagine their pick at minor level is completely enormous in comparison to the other Leinster counties.
You'd imagine there are cumulative effects at play.
At underage grades, they're only rolling with two or three years of advantage at any particular time. Perhaps natural variation in other counties is enough to overcome those advantages more often than not.
But at senior level, they enjoy the cumulative effect of 12-15 years of advantage. This seems to have eliminated the possibility of any other county gaining the upper hand through natural variation.
Quote from: HokeyPokey on March 09, 2024, 02:58:52 PMTĂr Eoghain 8-16 (40)
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That scoreline reads like an Under 14 club match and it just shouldn't be possible at intercounty U-20 level no matter how good Tyrone may be at that level. It should provide a wake up call for Antrim football and pumping money into a management team at senior level in order to provide a short term sticking plaster will not provide lasting solutions.
That's far too wide a statement Yellowcard. Whatever happens at under age, the only team that's properly in the shop window is the senior team.
An alterior argument might be to put resources into a senior team that might just lift the profile and that had to start by getting out if Div 4. Now Div 3, that new target is Div 2, albeit that won't be this year.
While we don't expect to win a provincial minor cship or under 20, we still do need to be pulling three or four players per year from these squads to filter into senior level.
Imo it's at club under 8 level this needs to start. And there's a lot of clubs starting to get their act together now that it's safe to say we're not doing as much a decade ago.
I don't forsee much success in the next few years,but I'm not totally despondent about the future.
At U15/U16 level in recent years the two things that stood out was Armagh's improvement with a winning habit developed and Antrim shipping heavy beatings in matches.
Quote from: bannside on March 11, 2024, 05:06:37 PMThat's far too wide a statement Yellowcard. Whatever happens at under age, the only team that's properly in the shop window is the senior team.
An alterior argument might be to put resources into a senior team that might just lift the profile and that had to start by getting out if Div 4. Now Div 3, that new target is Div 2, albeit that won't be this year.
While we don't expect to win a provincial minor cship or under 20, we still do need to be pulling three or four players per year from these squads to filter into senior level.
Imo it's at club under 8 level this needs to start. And there's a lot of clubs starting to get their act together now that it's safe to say we're not doing as much a decade ago.
I don't forsee much success in the next few years,but I'm not totally despondent about the future.
I'm in agreement that the senior team is the shop window to improve things in the short term. It probably shouldn't be an either/or argument in terms of allocating resources into senior/underage development but where funds are limited, choices do have to be made.
Under 20 is the last staging post for players who may be capable of playing senior inter county football and should be the main recruitment tool for the next batch of young players capable of making the step up to senior grade. No matter which way you look at it, a 33 point beating is not good for morale within a county. In fact longer term it is damaging to the self belief of that group of young players because those sorts of defeats are not quickly forgotten. It's one thing not to be winning championship matches but its an entirely different matter when you aren't remotely competitive.
It's definitely a wake up call if one was needed! For the record last years under 20s struggled too at times, but it took a very fancied Donegal team to penalties in Ballybofey in the championship. But yes, a very bad day at the office, no one can dispute that.
When are the next matches and what is the draw?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 06, 2024, 07:22:21 PMStarts this weekend. Group format instead of knock out. Tier 2 competitions for more game for every team.
Round 1 â Sat 9th March
Section A
Antrim v Tyrone at Dunsilly
Down v Derry at PĂĄirc Esler
(Monaghan Bye)
Section B
Cavan v Donegal at Kingspan Breffni (March 13th for that game)
Fermanagh v Armagh at St Josephs Park, Ederney
Round 2 â Wed 20th March
Section A
Tyrone v Down at Healy Park
Monaghan v Antrim at Castleblayney
(Derry Bye)
Round 3 â Wed 27th March
Section A
Down v Monaghan at PĂĄirc Esler
Derry v Tyrone at Owenbeg
(Antrim Bye)
Section B
Armagh v Cavan at Athletic Grounds
Donegal v Fermanagh at Ballybofey
Round 4 â Wed 3rd April
Section A
Antrim v Down at Dunsilly
Monaghan v Derry at Castleblayney
(Tyrone Bye)
Round 5 â Wed 10th April
Section A
Tyrone V Monaghan at Healy Park
Derry v Antrim at Owenbeg
(Down Bye)
Section B
Donegal v Armagh at Ballybofey
Fermanagh v Cavan at Brewster Park
U20FC Quarter Finals â Wed 17th April
(First named team has home advantage)
Group A Runner-Up V Third in Group B
Group B Runner-Up V Third in Group A
U20FC Semi Finals â Wed 24th April
(First named team has home advantage)
(1) Winner Section A V QF Winner
(2) Winner Section B V QF Winner
U20FC Final â Wed 1st / Fri 3rd May
Semi Final Winner 1 V Semi Final Winner 2
Tier 2 (Draw to take place between three teams after group stages)
Semi Final â Mon 22nd April
Team that did not qualify V One of QF Losers
Final â Mon 29th April
SF Winner V 3rd Team
Tier 1 & Tier 2
All-Ireland Semi Finals on 11/12 May
For those too lazy to scroll back...
Donegal 2-15 Cavan 0-16
Healy Park unable to host the u20s this evening, game moved to the Dub in Belfast. Surely something has to be done with the surface in the very near future?
Is Ulster GAA TV showing any of tonight's matches??
Monaghan 2-8 Antrim 1-6. Bit more respectable scoreline this week thankfully.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 20, 2024, 10:40:41 PMMonaghan 2-8 Antrim 1-6. Bit more respectable scoreline this week thankfully.
A lot more respectable indeed. Tyrone and Down played out a low scoring draw 1-8 to 0-11
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 20, 2024, 04:40:46 PMHealy Park unable to host the u20s this evening, game moved to the Dub in Belfast. Surely something has to be done with the surface in the very near future?
Really convenient for anyone from up round the Omagh direction looking to attend the game particularly on a school night.Healy park is really not fit for purpose the game Saturday night should arguably not have been played either way a credit to both sides put on a decent show.
https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/hogan-cup-hero-daly-completes-tyrone-comeback-to-reel-in-defending-champions-down-BFXU5JL5SZFDZHNGSOKI52BE5E/
Hogan Cup hero Callum Daly completes Tyrone comeback to reel in defending champions Down
Red Hands come from six behind as Mournemen U20s remain winless after two games
EirGrid Ulster U20 Football Championship Section A: Tyrone 0-11 Down 1-8
DEFENDING champions Down are still without a win in the current Ulster U20 Championship campaign after Tyrone came from six points behind to earn a draw at the Dub last night.
Hogan Cup winning captain Callum Daly came off the bench to grab a stoppage-time leveller for the Red Hands as they finally found a way to break down a packed defence.
Down dropped 15 men into their own half, repeatedly thwarting their opponents throughout the first half, and picking off scores on the breakaway.
Dara Mussen and Jamie Doran registered the only points of a low-scoring opening quarter, as the Mournemen led by 0-2 to 0-1, before Oisin Gormley finally got Tyrone off the mark in the 17th minute.
Doran was on target with his second long-range free, and with Ronan Kelly and Tom McCarroll leading the Down charge with their strong running, they continued to raid from deep.
With composure in possession, they crafted another score through Senan Carr, and despite losing full-back David Ruddy to a black card, grabbed a goal with another swift breakaway, finished on 26 minutes by Donal Scullion, to lead by 1-4 to 0-2 at the break.
The Red Hands closed the gap through Ronan Cassidy and Conor Owens (2), but remained vulnerable on the break, with Luke Quinn racing clear for another Down score.
But their six-point lead had been trimmed back to two by the end of the third quarter, and Cormac Devlin made it a one-point game.
Doran kept the Mourne side in front, but late points from Conor Owens and Daly tied it up, though Tyrone will reflect on their wides count of 17, against Down's sole miss.
You'd imagine the Omagh boys wouldn't have been in the best of nick of this one after the weekend? Is there many on the panel?
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 21, 2024, 09:24:54 AMYou'd imagine the Omagh boys wouldn't have been in the best of nick of this one after the weekend? Is there many on the panel?
3 of them at the minute. Callum Daly, Ruairi McCullagh and Liam Og Mossey. Probably couldn't rule Charlie Donnelly, Eoin Donaghy or Nathan Farry getting called back up.
Don't see a minor thread apologies it I've missed it
U17 result (shield semi final)
Armagh 7-16 Antrim 0-2.
Results like that are good for no one
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 23, 2024, 02:15:38 PMDon't see a minor thread apologies it I've missed it
U17 result (shield semi final)
Armagh 7-16 Antrim 0-2.
Results like that are good for no one
No use to either team. Armagh have been winning U15/16 competitions the last few years and Antrim have been getting hammered in games so that U17 result is no surprise.
Quote from: trailer on March 11, 2024, 09:08:07 AMQuote from: HokeyPokey on March 09, 2024, 02:58:52 PMTĂr Eoghain 8-16 (40)
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Brutal from Antrim. What a let down the county board has been to GAA in the county. With the size of the population it is a outright disgrace that the CB would put such a team out. They must be doing zero work at club and schools underage level. I don't blame the players at all, in fact to pull on the jersey and go out and represent their county they are a credit to themselves.
Having McEntee and others up managing the senior team while ignoring underage is f**king pointless. The CB and Northern Switchgear would be better off taking ÂŁ100k out on to the Falls road and setting it on fire. If I was an Antrim man I'd be calling for heads.
Utterly pathetic.
You ain't wrong but you might want to look about your own greenhouse when you're lobbing bricks at others.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 24, 2024, 03:20:25 PMQuote from: trailer on March 11, 2024, 09:08:07 AMQuote from: HokeyPokey on March 09, 2024, 02:58:52 PMTĂr Eoghain 8-16 (40)
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Brutal from Antrim. What a let down the county board has been to GAA in the county. With the size of the population it is a outright disgrace that the CB would put such a team out. They must be doing zero work at club and schools underage level. I don't blame the players at all, in fact to pull on the jersey and go out and represent their county they are a credit to themselves.
Having McEntee and others up managing the senior team while ignoring underage is f**king pointless. The CB and Northern Switchgear would be better off taking ÂŁ100k out on to the Falls road and setting it on fire. If I was an Antrim man I'd be calling for heads.
Utterly pathetic.
You ain't wrong but you might want to look about your own greenhouse when you're lobbing bricks at others.
21 point defeat today for Tyrone. Clearly they aren't putting enough effort in. Utterly pathetic.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 24, 2024, 03:20:25 PMQuote from: trailer on March 11, 2024, 09:08:07 AMQuote from: HokeyPokey on March 09, 2024, 02:58:52 PMTĂr Eoghain 8-16 (40)
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Brutal from Antrim. What a let down the county board has been to GAA in the county. With the size of the population it is a outright disgrace that the CB would put such a team out. They must be doing zero work at club and schools underage level. I don't blame the players at all, in fact to pull on the jersey and go out and represent their county they are a credit to themselves.
Having McEntee and others up managing the senior team while ignoring underage is f**king pointless. The CB and Northern Switchgear would be better off taking ÂŁ100k out on to the Falls road and setting it on fire. If I was an Antrim man I'd be calling for heads.
Utterly pathetic.
You ain't wrong but you might want to look about your own greenhouse when you're lobbing bricks at others.
is he not a Tyrone man? They're performing unbelievably at underage and schools level are they not.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 23, 2024, 02:15:38 PMDon't see a minor thread apologies it I've missed it
U17 result (shield semi final)
Armagh 7-16 Antrim 0-2.
Results like that are good for no one
If this was a semi-final then who was worse than Antrim?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 23, 2024, 03:38:24 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 23, 2024, 02:15:38 PMDon't see a minor thread apologies it I've missed it
U17 result (shield semi final)
Armagh 7-16 Antrim 0-2.
Results like that are good for no one
No use to either team. Armagh have been winning U15/16 competitions the last few years and Antrim have been getting hammered in games so that U17 result is no surprise.
In 2035, when Taoiseach Pengelly congratulates her native county on winning Sam, it will be noted that that the core of that team beat Antrim at minor by 35 points.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 24, 2024, 05:29:36 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 24, 2024, 03:20:25 PMQuote from: trailer on March 11, 2024, 09:08:07 AMQuote from: HokeyPokey on March 09, 2024, 02:58:52 PMTĂr Eoghain 8-16 (40)
Aontroim 0-7 (7)
Brutal from Antrim. What a let down the county board has been to GAA in the county. With the size of the population it is a outright disgrace that the CB would put such a team out. They must be doing zero work at club and schools underage level. I don't blame the players at all, in fact to pull on the jersey and go out and represent their county they are a credit to themselves.
Having McEntee and others up managing the senior team while ignoring underage is f**king pointless. The CB and Northern Switchgear would be better off taking ÂŁ100k out on to the Falls road and setting it on fire. If I was an Antrim man I'd be calling for heads.
Utterly pathetic.
You ain't wrong but you might want to look about your own greenhouse when you're lobbing bricks at others.
is he not a Tyrone man? They're performing unbelievably at underage and schools level are they not.
It didn't stop them being "brutal" and "utterly pathetic" in the trimming they took today.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 24, 2024, 05:43:05 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 23, 2024, 02:15:38 PMDon't see a minor thread apologies it I've missed it
U17 result (shield semi final)
Armagh 7-16 Antrim 0-2.
Results like that are good for no one
If this was a semi-final then who was worse than Antrim?
Fermanagh were deemed to be, though they never met.
It must be noted that this was the shield semi final. There were 4 teams in cup semi finals.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 24, 2024, 05:43:05 PMIf this was a semi-final then who was worse than Antrim?
Shield semi final beat nobody to play in it. Antrim finished bottom in their group, well beaten in their Derry,Tyrone. Armagh 2nd in the group losing narrowly to Down who might go on to win the league.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 24, 2024, 06:03:25 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 24, 2024, 05:43:05 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 23, 2024, 02:15:38 PMDon't see a minor thread apologies it I've missed it
U17 result (shield semi final)
Armagh 7-16 Antrim 0-2.
Results like that are good for no one
If this was a semi-final then who was worse than Antrim?
Fermanagh were deemed to be, though they never met.
It must be noted that this was the shield semi final. There were 4 teams in cup semi finals.
I hadn't been following this. So Tyrone are in the cup, because of a better score difference than other runner ups, in which they were assisted by being in a group with Antrim. Armagh were in a group with Monaghan and didn't beat them by enough. Nevertheless, it is the 5th team against the 8th team, and it is a very wide margin.
To be fair, Tyrone only beat Antrim by 6.
It's a good thing Tyrone have this team coming through to senior at some point, considering the hammering they took today ;)
What happened to the streaming on Ulster Gaa TV? First two weeks had a game each, none last week and none advertised for this week either. Would have thought Derry v Tyrone would be worth showing
Quote from: inroundthesquare on March 26, 2024, 09:19:41 PMWhat happened to the streaming on Ulster Gaa TV? First two weeks had a game each, none last week and none advertised for this week either. Would have thought Derry v Tyrone would be worth showing
Match is on here https://page.inplayer.com/ulstergaatv/ (https://page.inplayer.com/ulstergaatv/)
Quote from: inroundthesquare on March 26, 2024, 09:19:41 PMWhat happened to the streaming on Ulster Gaa TV? First two weeks had a game each, none last week and none advertised for this week either. Would have thought Derry v Tyrone would be worth showing
Cavan and Armagh is on it tonight
Quote from: Itchy on March 27, 2024, 02:02:20 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on March 26, 2024, 09:19:41 PMWhat happened to the streaming on Ulster Gaa TV? First two weeks had a game each, none last week and none advertised for this week either. Would have thought Derry v Tyrone would be worth showing
Cavan and Armagh is on it tonight
https://page.inplayer.com/ulstergaatv/item.html?id=3734827
Quote from: armaghniac on March 27, 2024, 05:26:28 PMQuote from: Itchy on March 27, 2024, 02:02:20 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on March 26, 2024, 09:19:41 PMWhat happened to the streaming on Ulster Gaa TV? First two weeks had a game each, none last week and none advertised for this week either. Would have thought Derry v Tyrone would be worth showing
Cavan and Armagh is on it tonight
https://page.inplayer.com/ulstergaatv/item.html?id=3734827
Is Donegal v Fermanagh being shown too?
Streams working for anyone?
Quote from: smort on March 27, 2024, 07:54:11 PMStreams working for anyone?
Not the Tyrone Derry one anyway
Quote from: smort on March 27, 2024, 07:54:11 PMStreams working for anyone?
I've no problem with Armagh-Cavan
Quote from: smort on March 27, 2024, 07:54:11 PMStreams working for anyone?
Derry game working fine for me. Plenty of wides, but some decent football towards the end of the half. McNicholl with the score of the game.
Armagh held out to win 2-09 to 2-07 after some panic near the end when Cavan scrambled a goal. Cavan should have taken points then.
Like the senior team, Armagh proved capable of disciplined defence for the most part, although there were a few stupid frees given away and the ball was moved up a couple of time, again that doesn't help.
Donegal 1-13 Fermanagh 0-5
Armagh win by 2 (2.9 to 2.7) after looking like they were going to choke and throw it away after being in control throughout. Cavan much more aggressive in their pressing and application in the 2nd half, could have nicked it.
Out of Armagh's 2.9 I'd say the forwards contributed 0.2 maybe, that's a good & bad stat.
One point win for Tyrone.
0-13 to 1-09
Thought McGuckian had earned a draw with his goal. But Derry caught out on the final kick out and Tyrone got up the pitch to score.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 27, 2024, 09:00:44 PMArmagh win by 2 (2.9 to 2.7) after looking like they were going to choke and throw it away after being in control throughout. Cavan much more aggressive in their pressing and application in the 2nd half, could have nicked it.
Out of Armagh's 2.9 I'd say the forwards contributed 0.2 maybe, that's a good & bad stat.
Armagh were 6/7 point the better team only for a ridiculous collapse in the last 5 minutes. Very depressing stuff watching all cavan teams at the moment.
What way does the next stage work, is it top 2 through to semi's?
Quote from: PMG1 on March 27, 2024, 10:35:41 PMWhat way does the next stage work, is it top 2 through to semi's?
Scroll back to pg 16...or ask Orior.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on March 11, 2024, 11:04:44 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on March 06, 2024, 07:22:21 PMStarts this weekend. Group format instead of knock out. Tier 2 competitions for more game for every team.
Round 1 â Sat 9th March
Section A
Antrim v Tyrone at Dunsilly
Down v Derry at PĂĄirc Esler
(Monaghan Bye)
Section B
Cavan v Donegal at Kingspan Breffni (March 13th for that game)
Fermanagh v Armagh at St Josephs Park, Ederney
Round 2 â Wed 20th March
Section A
Tyrone v Down at Healy Park
Monaghan v Antrim at Castleblayney
(Derry Bye)
Round 3 â Wed 27th March
Section A
Down v Monaghan at PĂĄirc Esler
Derry v Tyrone at Owenbeg
(Antrim Bye)
Section B
Armagh v Cavan at Athletic Grounds
Donegal v Fermanagh at Ballybofey
Round 4 â Wed 3rd April
Section A
Antrim v Down at Dunsilly
Monaghan v Derry at Castleblayney
(Tyrone Bye)
Round 5 â Wed 10th April
Section A
Tyrone V Monaghan at Healy Park
Derry v Antrim at Owenbeg
(Down Bye)
Section B
Donegal v Armagh at Ballybofey
Fermanagh v Cavan at Brewster Park
U20FC Quarter Finals â Wed 17th April
(First named team has home advantage)
Group A Runner-Up V Third in Group B
Group B Runner-Up V Third in Group A
U20FC Semi Finals â Wed 24th April
(First named team has home advantage)
(1) Winner Section A V QF Winner
(2) Winner Section B V QF Winner
U20FC Final â Wed 1st / Fri 3rd May
Semi Final Winner 1 V Semi Final Winner 2
Tier 2 (Draw to take place between three teams after group stages)
Semi Final â Mon 22nd April
Team that did not qualify V One of QF Losers
Final â Mon 29th April
SF Winner V 3rd Team
Tier 1 & Tier 2
All-Ireland Semi Finals on 11/12 May
For those too lazy to scroll back...
Taking pity on the lazy...here you go
Current Tables (in standard format) and Remaining Fixtures are:
Group A
Tyrone 3 2 0 1 64 30 34 5
Monaghan2 2 0 0 29 22 7 4
Derry 2 1 1 32 22 10 2
Down 3 0 2 1 33 46 -13 1
Antrim 2 0 2 0 16 54 -38 0
Round 4 â Wed 3rd April
Antrim v Down at Dunsilly
Monaghan v Derry at Castleblayney
(Tyrone Bye)
Round 5 â Wed 10th April
Tyrone V Monaghan at Healy Park
Derry v Antrim at Owenbeg
(Down Bye)
Group B
Donegal 2 2 0 0 37 24 13 4
Armagh 2 2 0 0 28 20 8 4
Cavan 2 0 2 0 29 36 -7 0
Fermanagh2 0 2 0 12 29 -17 0
Round 5 â Wed 10th April
Donegal v Armagh at Ballybofey
Fermanagh v Cavan at Brewster Park
Quarter Finals â Wed 17th April
(First named team has home advantage)
Group A Runner-Up V Third in Group B
Group B Runner-Up V Third in Group A
Semi Finals â Wed 24th April
(First named team has home advantage)
(1) Winner Section A V QF Winner
(2) Winner Section B V QF Winner
Final â Wed 1st/Fri 3rd May
Semi Final Winner 1 V Semi Final Winner 2
Mod playing a blinder here 🤝
Nice to see Armagh actually winning games at underage for once. I'm sure Donegal in Ballybofey will be a step up though.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 28, 2024, 08:00:54 AMNice to see Armagh actually winning games at underage for once. I'm sure Donegal in Ballybofey will be a step up though.
assured at least a quarter final so thats good
Poor game, but a good win for Derry.
3 April results from Group A:
Derry 1-11 Monaghan 2-6
Down 5-8 Antrim 1-6
Group A Standings:
Tyrone played 3, won 2, drew 1, 5 pts, +34 score diff
Derry played 3, won 2 lost 1, 4 pts, +12 score diff
Monaghan played 3, won 2, lost 1, 4 pts, +5 score diff
Down played 4, won 1, drew 1, lost 2, 3 pts, +1 score diff
Antrim played 3, lost 3, 0 points, -52 score diff
Round 5 â Wed 10th April
Tyrone V Monaghan at Healy Park
Derry v Antrim at Owenbeg
(Down Bye)
Group B had no games this week, remaining games are:
Round 5 â Wed 10th April
Donegal v Armagh at Ballybofey
Fermanagh v Cavan at Brewster Park
Scroll to top of page post to see what happens after the Rd 5 games.
Minor Championship 2024 - 2 groups, top team in each group straight to semi-final, second and third in each group to 2 quarterfinals.
Group A - Games on Saturdays 6, 13, 20, 27 April and 4 May
Rd 1
Fermanagh 1-4 Donegal 3-13
Tyrone 2-7 Down 1-7
Monaghan a bye
Group B - Games on Saturdays 6, 20 April and 4 May
Rd 1
Armagh 2-9 Antrim 0-2
Derry 1-8 Cavan 1-5
Down #14 looks to be a good player. Had pace and power and able to hit a score. Looked to be Downs only threat up front. Down just didnt do enough when they had the wind
What sort of score is this in an intercounty game? One thing Jarlath Burns might do is try to get Antrim to take part.
HALF-TIME:
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Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on March 28, 2024, 01:52:39 AMCurrent Tables (in standard format) and Remaining Fixtures are:
Group A
Tyrone 3 2 0 1 64 30 34 5
Monaghan2 2 0 0 29 22 7 4
Derry 2 1 1 32 22 10 2
Down 3 0 2 1 33 46 -13 1
Antrim 2 0 2 0 16 54 -38 0
Round 4 â Wed 3rd April
Antrim v Down at Dunsilly
Monaghan v Derry at Castleblayney
(Tyrone Bye)
Round 5 â Wed 10th April
Tyrone V Monaghan at Healy Park
Derry v Antrim at Owenbeg
(Down Bye)
Group B
Donegal 2 2 0 0 37 24 13 4
Armagh 2 2 0 0 28 20 8 4
Cavan 2 0 2 0 29 36 -7 0
Fermanagh2 0 2 0 12 29 -17 0
Round 5 â Wed 10th April
Donegal v Armagh at Ballybofey
Fermanagh v Cavan at Brewster Park
Quarter Finals â Wed 17th April
(First named team has home advantage)
Group A Runner-Up V Third in Group B
Group B Runner-Up V Third in Group A
Semi Finals â Wed 24th April
(First named team has home advantage)
(1) Winner Section A V QF Winner
(2) Winner Section B V QF Winner
Final â Wed 1st/Fri 3rd May
Semi Final Winner 1 V Semi Final Winner 2
Is it open draw for the semi finals?
Quote from: armaghniac on April 10, 2024, 08:27:04 PMWhat sort of score is this in an intercounty game? One thing Jarlath Burns might do is try to get Antrim to take part.
HALF-TIME:
@EirGrid
Ulster U20 Football Championship Round 5
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This is their second worst defeat Tyrone beat them by 33pts!
Tyrone currently beating Monaghan by 27.
Come on....2 more points!!
Quote from: screenexile on April 10, 2024, 08:51:28 PMQuote from: armaghniac on April 10, 2024, 08:27:04 PMWhat sort of score is this in an intercounty game? One thing Jarlath Burns might do is try to get Antrim to take part.
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Ulster U20 Football Championship Round 5
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This is their second worst defeat Tyrone beat them by 33pts!
That wasn't even the full time score, Derry must have taken the foot off the pedal second half as they ended with 5-16
Wednesday 10 April
Ulster U20FC
Donegal v Armagh - Postponed - Will be played on Saturday 13 April
Fermanagh 1-11 Cavan 2-9
Derry 5-16 Antrim 0-3
Tyrone 5-20 Monaghan 0-8
Fermanagh and Cavan competitive anyway.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 10, 2024, 09:30:42 PMWednesday 10 April
Ulster U20FC
Donegal v Armagh, Ballybofey - Postponed
Fermanagh 1-11 Cavan 2-9
Derry 5-16 Antrim 0-3
Tyrone 5-20 Monaghan 0-8
Monaghan played the second string tonight as they had nothing to play for. Couldn't get top spot and had their Quarter Final berth secured. Tyrone still impressive in awful conditions. Tyrone's squad men definetly put their hands up for selection going forward. Some wealth of options in having Ruairi McCullagh and Noah Grimes putting pressure on that starting forward line.
Final Standings Group A
Tyrone 7pts
Derry 6 pts
Monaghan 4 pts
Down 3 pts
Antrim 0 pts
Group B - Donegal v Armagh on Sat 13 April is last game
Donegal 4 pts, +16 scoring diff
Armagh 4 pts, +8 scoring diff
Cavan 2 pts
Fermanagh 0 pts
Quarter Finals â Wed 17th April
(First named team has home advantage)
Group A Runner-Up - Derry V Third in Group B - Cavan
Group B Runner-Up - loser of Donegal/Armagh, Armagh if a Draw V Third in Group A - Monaghan
Donegal 1-6 Armagh 0-7
Quote from: J70 on April 13, 2024, 05:15:12 PMDonegal 1-6 Armagh 0-7
Armagh playing Monaghan next week.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 07, 2024, 04:47:07 AMMinor Championship 2024 - 2 groups, top team in each group straight to semi-final, second and third in each group to 2 quarterfinals.
Group A - Games on Saturdays 6, 13, 20, 27 April and 4 May
Rd 1
Fermanagh 1-4 Donegal 3-13
Tyrone 2-7 Down 1-7
Monaghan a bye
Group B - Games on Saturdays 6, 20 April and 4 May
Rd 1
Armagh 2-9 Antrim 0-2
Derry 1-8 Cavan 1-5
Group A Rd 2 Results from 13 April
Monaghan 4-10 Fermanagh 0-8
Donegal 2-12 Tyrone 1-8
Caught a few minutes of Derry v Cavan u20 qf. Anyone who missed it, didn't miss much.
Cavan were putting on a clinic in the ills of the game, going through the greatest hits of mind-numbingly awful attacking play. It's hard to understand any team being coached to take the field these days with such predictable, clichéd tactics. Might be a poor crop, I dunno, but Larry Reilly shouldn't be near that team next year.
Edit: FT 1-14 to 0-7.
Is semi final an open draw or is it predetermined?
I saw its draw earlier on twitter. Derry won't play Tyrone.
Couldn't tell you who plays who now, but think the commentators referred to the pairings, so I think it might be predetermined, yes (definitely no repeat pairings, they said).
Ulster U20 Football quarter-final results:
Derry 1-11 Cavan 0-7
Monaghan 1-15 Armagh 0-13
Semi-finals on 24 April 7:30pm:
Tyrone v Monaghan in Omagh
Donegal v Derry in Ballybofey
Final on 1 May.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 17, 2024, 11:24:02 PMUlster U20 Football quarter-final results:
Derry 1-11 Cavan 0-7
Monaghan 1-15 Armagh 0-13
Semi-finals on 24 April 7:30pm:
Tyrone v Monaghan in Omagh
Donegal v Derry in Ballybofey
Final on 1 May.
They could nearly have played the Derry v Donegal game on Saturday in Celtic park, be like the old days when underage players used to get a proper taste of championship crowds!
They definitely should be trying to get underage games on before senior fixtures. Both from the point of view of giving the young lads a bit of exposure and secondly to give those in early something to watch at the senior games. There doesn't seem to be any effort put into promoting the games or making a day out of it. They have also totally devalued underage intercounty gaa.
They have made an awful balls of the underage county stuff.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 18, 2024, 09:02:42 AMThey have made an awful balls of the underage county stuff.
Appears to be inconvenience for the powers to be. And HQ and have a desire for U19 grade.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 18, 2024, 09:07:20 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 18, 2024, 09:02:42 AMThey have made an awful balls of the underage county stuff.
Appears to be inconvenience for the powers to be. And HQ and have a desire for U19 grade.
What was wrong with u18 and u21 anyway?
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 18, 2024, 11:44:50 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 18, 2024, 09:07:20 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 18, 2024, 09:02:42 AMThey have made an awful balls of the underage county stuff.
Appears to be inconvenience for the powers to be. And HQ and have a desire for U19 grade.
What was wrong with u18 and u21 anyway?
Next to nothing. PĂĄraic Duffy pushed for nearly a decade to scrap them before eventually getting his way before stepping down as Director General.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 18, 2024, 03:36:57 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 18, 2024, 11:44:50 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 18, 2024, 09:07:20 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 18, 2024, 09:02:42 AMThey have made an awful balls of the underage county stuff.
Appears to be inconvenience for the powers to be. And HQ and have a desire for U19 grade.
What was wrong with u18 and u21 anyway?
Next to nothing. PĂĄraic Duffy pushed for nearly a decade to scrap them before eventually getting his way before stepping down as Director General.
U17 to U20 would usually be a bigger jump than 18-21 i think?
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 14, 2024, 07:17:14 AMQuote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 07, 2024, 04:47:07 AMMinor Championship 2024 - 2 groups, top team in each group straight to semi-final, second and third in each group to 2 quarterfinals.
Group A - Games on Saturdays 6, 13, 20, 27 April and 4 May
Rd 1
Fermanagh 1-4 Donegal 3-13
Tyrone 2-7 Down 1-7
Monaghan a bye
Group B - Games on Saturdays 6, 20 April and 4 May
Rd 1
Armagh 2-9 Antrim 0-2
Derry 1-8 Cavan 1-5
Group A Rd 2 Results from 13 April
Monaghan 4-10 Fermanagh 0-8
Donegal 2-12 Tyrone 1-8
Remaining Minor Group Fixtures:Group ARound 3 on 20 April
Monaghan 1-17 Down 1-13
Tyrone 2-12 Fermanagh 0-4
Round 4 on 27 April
Down v Donegal in Newry
Tyrone v Monaghan in Ardboe
Round 5 on 4 May
Down v Fermanagh in Newry
Donegal v Monaghan venue TBC
Group BRound 2 on 20 April
Armagh 2-11 Cavan 1-9
Derry 2-24 Antrim 1-3
Round 3 on 4 May
Cavan v Antrim in Kingspan Breffni
Derry v Armagh in Owenbeg
Edit to include 20 April results.
Minor Football Standings after 20 April games:
Group A
Donegal played 2, 4pts, +22 scoring diff
Monaghan played 2, 4pts, +18
Tyrone played 3, 4pts, +10
Down played 2, 0pts, -7
Fermanagh played 3, 0pts, -43
Group B
Derry played 2, 4 pts, +27
Armagh played 2, 4 pts, +18
Cavan played 2, 0pts, -8
Antrim played 2, 0pts, -37
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 18, 2024, 09:02:42 AMThey have made an awful balls of the underage county stuff.
The minor set up is shocking. Three tiers. It is nearly harder to get knocked out than it is to go and win something. All the talk of player burn out and they add a pile of meaningless games and then secondary tournaments. Cups, shields, plates, spoon competitions. Complete farce.
U20 semi finals on tomorrow and can be watched here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XEkblckuZA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv69pdibFGA
A pity both are on at the same time.
Tyrone U20 Team V Monaghan - Ulster U20 Semi Final (Live On SportTG4)
1. Conor McAneney (Glenelly)
2. Joey Clarke (Donaghmore)
3. Ben Hughes (Donaghmore)
4. Conor Devlin (Ardboe)
5. Shea O'Hare (Ardboe)
6. Michael Rafferty (Killyclogher)
7. Odhran Brolly (Gortin)
8. Ronan Fox (Loughmacrory)
9. Conor O'Neill (Donaghmore)
10. Cormac Devlin (Ardboe)
11. Eoin McElholm (Loughmacrory)
12. Gavin Potter (Killyclogher)
13. Conor Owens (Beragh)
14. Ronan Cassidy (Donaghmore)
15. Callum Daly (Omagh)
16. Conan McGarvey (Donaghmore)
17. Fiachra Donnelly (Beragh)
18. Paddy McCann (Beragh)
19. Noah Grimes (Donaghmore)
20. Ruairi McCullagh (Loughmacrory)
21. Liam Og Mossey (Gortin)
22. Hugh J Cunningham (Pomeroy)
23. Ronan Donnelly (Donaghmore)
24. Callan Kelly (Cookstown)
25. Barry McMenamin (Aghyaran)
26. Shane Hughes (Clonoe)
27. Caolan Donnelly (Fintona)
28. Ruairi McHugh (Coalisland)
29. Fiachra Nelis (Edendork)
30. Oisin Gormley (Drumquin)
U20 semi finals at half time
Donegal 0-7 Derry 0-4
Tyrone 1-5 Monaghan 0-7
Results
Donegal 0-14 Derry 1-12
Tyrone 2-9 Monaghan 0-14
The end of the Derry game hectic. Good win for them. Some good teams there.
Thought Derry made hard work of that it should have been more comfortable.
Should make for an interesting final although I thought Tyrone were just that bit better in the earlier fixture hopefully we can up it.
Quote from: screenexile on April 24, 2024, 09:04:43 PMThought Derry made hard work of that it should have been more comfortable.
Should make for an interesting final although I thought Tyrone were just that bit better in the earlier fixture hopefully we can up it.
Derry certainly had a slow start, but got going in the second half.
Two competitive semi finals and whoever wins the final will be hard stopped in the All Ireland series.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 20, 2024, 10:46:30 PMMinor Football Standings after 20 April games:
Group A
Donegal played 2, 4pts, +22 scoring diff
Monaghan played 2, 4pts, +18
Tyrone played 3, 4pts, +10
Down played 2, 0pts, -7
Fermanagh played 3, 0pts, -43
Group B
Derry played 2, 4 pts, +27
Armagh played 2, 4 pts, +18
Cavan played 2, 0pts, -8
Antrim played 2, 0pts, -37
Group A round 4 results 27 April
Down 3-9 Donegal 1-6
Tyrone 4-13 Monaghan 0-10
Tyrone played 4, 6pts, +25
Donegal played 3, 4pts, +13 scoring diff
Monaghan played 3, 4pts, +3
Down played 3, 2pts, +2
Fermanagh played 3, 0pts, -43
Last Round of fixtures:
Group A Round 5 on 4 May
Down v Fermanagh in Newry
Donegal v Monaghan in Ballybofey
Group B Round 3 on 4 May
Cavan v Antrim in Kingspan Breffni
Derry v Armagh in Owenbeg
U20 final on at 7:30pm.
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That Ruari Forbes has turned into a big lad
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 01, 2024, 08:03:23 PMThat Ruari Forbes hasturned into a big lad
Enjoyable game not much in it. Plenty of good scores and turnovers from both teams it could go either way this half.
Both teams with plenty of pace too!
Tyrone going too often for goals when they should be taking their points.
Still all to play for with 15 minutes to play. Derry 1-8 Tyrone 2-6
N O'Donnell not know when take a shot, 2/3 times he's in a better position than the man he passes too. Tyrone doing repeated fouling here.
Derry getting caught with silly turnovers.
Mc Elholm is a silky operator.
2 many of the Derry forwards can't kick of either foot, whereas Tyrone have a few which can. They about 4 times a point was on , but the lad couldn't kick it, as it was his bad foot.
Bad call there.Derry lad didn't swing himself round by himself, if it was 2 mins to go, that would be a free.
Jesus it's a painful watch from a Derry point of view so many bad choices when kicking for scores
Aye, a couple of decent chances to go in front there.
Too many Derry players wouldnt take the final shot there. End up in shots took when men in better positions earlier. Derry regret not winning this, they well on top. Too many lads simply avoiding taking the big decision.
Quote from: Brendan on May 01, 2024, 08:47:53 PMJesus it's a painful watch from a Derry point of view so many bad choices when kicking for scores
Yeah, decision making is poor enough at times.
But it's been an enjoyable game.
Very nervy shooting at the end of that game. Won't be easy to call a winner in extra time.
Should have won that but what a great game!!
Also have to say I think the ref has been brilliant.
Quote from: screenexile on May 01, 2024, 08:52:42 PMShould have won that but what a great game!!
Also have to say I think the ref has been brilliant.
Yes the Ref has been excellent.
What did the linesman tell him when he seemed about to book the defender?
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 01, 2024, 08:55:36 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 01, 2024, 08:52:42 PMShould have won that but what a great game!!
Also have to say I think the ref has been brilliant.
Yes the Ref has been excellent.
What did the linesman tell him when he seemed about to book the defender?
I think he wasn't sure who to book as it was a 'double' tackle.
Maybe he asked lineman which player was it but I'd say linesman wasn't sure either.
Quote from: marty34 on May 01, 2024, 08:59:39 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on May 01, 2024, 08:55:36 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 01, 2024, 08:52:42 PMShould have won that but what a great game!!
Also have to say I think the ref has been brilliant.
Yes the Ref has been excellent.
What did the linesman tell him when he seemed about to book the defender?
I think he wasn't sure who to book as it was a 'double' tackle.
Maybe he asked lineman which player was it but I'd say linesman wasn't sure either.
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Some miskick of a goal that.
It'll do 😀
Half time in extra time. Derry 2-13 Tyrone 2-9. A Derry goal seconds before the break.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 01, 2024, 09:15:09 PMSome miskick of a goal that.
Bit of a ballbag hit he put in on his way out too.
Can't throw this lead away now in 10 minutes can they? Will be a deserved win I'd say to keep up Derrys brilliant recent underage record
Derry appear to have the better bench or getting more of an impact from them tonight.
Goal to Tyrone.
How stupid are Derry not to foul them out the field. Tyrone were always gonna need a goal to win in 10mins of play
Tyrone goal all to play for again. 2-13 to 3-9
Imagine letting McElholm run the entire pitch, without any pressure
It amazes me, even at this age, that lads don't understand Tyrone needed a goal to win, and keep to fouling way out the field.
Level game 78 minutes played.
Derry have had 1 shot this half of extra time.
FT AET Derry 2-13 Tyrone 3-10. A shootout to find a winner.
Talk about throwing it away. Made the mistake last year of not playing McAvoy and Murray in the U20 final as they weren't needed for Fermanagh, and kicked ourselves out of this one the night.
Sitting back on a lead. You see it happen all the time. Entertaining game between two very evenly matched teams.
Some game lads great entertainment. Derry threw it away twice and now it's in the lap of the gods.
Probably a fair result given our tendency to give the ball away easily and not shoot when it's on.
Quite a few if these Derry kads were playing u17 last year.
Poor first penalty from Derry
Not sure why he was taking one, as he wouldn't shoot for a point all game.
Derry keeper abit small on it, compared to the Tyrone lad
2-0 to Tyrone after first two penalties.
Awful run of penalties there from Derry, All poor.
3 saves in a row from the Tyrone keeper. And the Derry keeper throws them a lifeline with a good save.
Tyrone win 3-1 on penalties
Tyrone win 3-1.
No complaints.
Derry were the authors of their own defeat.
Hard luck there some of the Derry lads played the shirt off their backs especially in defence but we just weren't brave enough going forward and that's going to cost at this level!
But going by the Armagh logic I think we're joint Ulster Champs so will look forward to the celebrations in Maghera! 😳
Yep, just not clinical enough. Good entertainment.
I take it both go forward into AI QFs anyway - what is the QF draw?
Hard to warm to a penalty shootout deciding a GAA championship match. Derry left that title behind them, Tyrone to their credit hung in there and having the experience of winning Ulster minor in 2021 and 2022 probably helped them get over the line tonight.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 01, 2024, 09:40:08 PMAwful run of penalties there from Derry, All poor.
My first thought was to wonder how much practice they've done recently.
Surprising to see such a number of poor penalty attempts at intercounty level.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 01, 2024, 09:45:25 PMI take it both go forward into AI QFs anyway - what is the QF draw?
No Derry are out now.
No quarterfinals at U20 level - straight to the semis.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 01, 2024, 09:45:25 PMI take it both go forward into AI QFs anyway - what is the QF draw?
Not at U20 that's minor. Tyrone v Roscommon or Galway now and other semi final Kerry v Meath.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 01, 2024, 09:45:25 PMI take it both go forward into AI QFs anyway - what is the QF draw?
Fairly sure Derry are gone and it's provincial winners just
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 01, 2024, 09:46:10 PMHard to warm to a penalty shootout deciding a GAA championship match. Derry left that title behind them, Tyrone to their credit hung in there and having the experience of winning Ulster minor in 2021 and 2022 probably helped them get over the line tonight.
Shouldn't be losing a game being 4pts up in last 10 mins.
Derry needed to stop/start the game by fouling away out the pitch.
Tyrone needed a lifeline of a goal and Derry gifted it to them.
Penalties is a lottery.
Enjoyable game though. Great entertainment but the feeling is that Derry threw it away.
Not much in the game throughout but Derry had a 10 minute spell where if they had a couple of 2 footed forwards they could have got a lead. Plenty of talent on show and interesting to see who will kick on
Jesus, surprised to hear that in this era of milking it. Derry will be sick 2nite.
Here,i seen fouling lads out the pitch with 4pts in it, in U-16 games in the county. We let them run 50m unchallenged then pass across the line, when u knew they weren't gotta score 4pts in 10mins in extra time!! All 3 Tyrone goals were very similar
I am left wondering about who prepared these lads or " didnt" in game management.
Was a good game to watch
Derry were blunt at times in the forward division considering the amount of possession they had
Two bad wides to win it in normal time
The two Loughmacrory men McElholm and McCullagh are natural forwards and had massive games for Tyrone tonight
Derry were 4 up at HT in ET and then decided to give up the kickouts (which they dominated in the first half of ET) this gave Tyrone the impetus to come and chase down the lead - Derry will be devastated - poor game management both on the pitch and along the line letting that lead slip.
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 01, 2024, 09:49:30 PMNot much in the game throughout but Derry had a 10 minute spell where if they had a couple of 2 footed forwards they could have got a lead. Plenty of talent on show and interesting to see who will kick on
Tyrone be looking a reasonable return out of this squad. Rafferty, Daly, Hughes, O'Neill, McCullagh, McElholm, Potter, O'Hare, McAneney would be the obvious players that would offer something to the Senior panel.
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on May 02, 2024, 09:36:51 AMQuote from: NotedObserver on May 01, 2024, 09:49:30 PMNot much in the game throughout but Derry had a 10 minute spell where if they had a couple of 2 footed forwards they could have got a lead. Plenty of talent on show and interesting to see who will kick on
Tyrone be looking a reasonable return out of this squad. Rafferty, Daly, Hughes, O'Neill, McCullagh, McElholm, Potter, O'Hare, McAneney would be the obvious players that would offer something to the Senior panel.
Tyrone's McElholm and O'Hare look like very good indeed. They look to have 5 or 6 that will make the cut at senior. That's a very good Derry side too. Forbes, McEldowney and McGuckian will be top players for Derry for years to come. That was a very even Ulster championship with very little between the top 4 sides. Monaghan will be a coming force in next few years too with some top prospects coming through especially Stephen Mooney who put on an exhibition of point scoring against Armagh and Tyrone.
Derry must have given up 2-05 directly from turnovers, they have too many forwards whose first inclination is to have a wee solo which resulted in them getting outmuscled in the tackle time after time. This was a clear problem in the donegal game [first game I seen so was probably an issue in previous matches] and should have been remedied before the final.
They should also have started their strongest team and this would have been a comfortable win!!!!
Quote from: Mikhailov on May 01, 2024, 10:54:10 PMDerry were 4 up at HT in ET and then decided to give up the kickouts (which they dominated in the first half of ET) this gave Tyrone the impetus to come and chase down the lead - Derry will be devastated - poor game management both on the pitch and along the line letting that lead slip.
It thought in general, that team was badly managed. All afraid to shoot until the certain score was on, side-to-side, pass back mentality seems to be ingrained in this group of Derry players.
I thought we had better footballers all over the field, but our attack play was so slow and rarely did the player on the ball look up to see the runner.
Tyrone's blanket got back really quick, and they attacked directly and at pace.
Management need to take responsibility for that loss if you ask me as tactics won/lost that game
Agree with some of the other comments on turnovers - really cost us.
The whole game just felt like if Derry threw caution to the wind in attack, we'd get through or get fouled.
Tyrone more "cute" out the field and definitely more physical. But for me, Derry had the better players.
Generally I like penalties (I know I'm in the minority), but that was brutal from a Derry pov. Size difference in the two keepers was really noticeable, but the quality of penalties by Tyrone was much better.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 28, 2024, 08:07:59 AMQuote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 20, 2024, 10:46:30 PMMinor Football Standings after 20 April games:
Group A
Donegal played 2, 4pts, +22 scoring diff
Monaghan played 2, 4pts, +18
Tyrone played 3, 4pts, +10
Down played 2, 0pts, -7
Fermanagh played 3, 0pts, -43
Group B
Derry played 2, 4 pts, +27
Armagh played 2, 4 pts, +18
Cavan played 2, 0pts, -8
Antrim played 2, 0pts, -37
Group A round 4 results 27 April
Down 3-9 Donegal 1-6
Tyrone 4-13 Monaghan 0-10
Tyrone played 4, 6pts, +25
Donegal played 3, 4pts, +13 scoring diff
Monaghan played 3, 4pts, +3
Down played 3, 2pts, +2
Fermanagh played 3, 0pts, -43
Last Round of fixtures:
Group A Round 5 on 4 May
Down v Fermanagh in Newry
Donegal v Monaghan in Ballybofey
Group B Round 3 on 4 May
Cavan v Antrim in Kingspan Breffni
Derry v Armagh in Owenbeg
4 May Results:
Group A
Down 3-14 Fermanagh 0-6
Donegal 2-12 Monaghan 0-8
Donegal win Group A, Tyrone second, Monaghan third.
Group B
Cavan 1-15 Antrim 0-10
Derry 2-18 Armagh 0-7
Derry win Group B, Armagh second, Cavan third.
Quarter-final fixtures 11 May:
Tyrone v Cavan in Omagh
Armagh v Monaghan in Armagh
Derry and Donegal, as Group winners, will be at home for their respective semi-final on 18 May.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on May 04, 2024, 11:47:58 PMDerry and Donegal, as Group winners, will be at home for their respective semi-final on 18 May.
How are the quarter final winners drawn against these teams? Avoiding a team in their group?
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 02, 2024, 12:28:18 PMQuote from: Mikhailov on May 01, 2024, 10:54:10 PMDerry were 4 up at HT in ET and then decided to give up the kickouts (which they dominated in the first half of ET) this gave Tyrone the impetus to come and chase down the lead - Derry will be devastated - poor game management both on the pitch and along the line letting that lead slip.
It thought in general, that team was badly managed. All afraid to shoot until the certain score was on, side-to-side, pass back mentality seems to be ingrained in this group of Derry players.
I thought we had better footballers all over the field, but our attack play was so slow and rarely did the player on the ball look up to see the runner.
Tyrone's blanket got back really quick, and they attacked directly and at pace.
Management need to take responsibility for that loss if you ask me as tactics won/lost that game
Agree with some of the other comments on turnovers - really cost us.
The whole game just felt like if Derry threw caution to the wind in attack, we'd get through or get fouled.
Tyrone more "cute" out the field and definitely more physical. But for me, Derry had the better players.
Generally I like penalties (I know I'm in the minority), but that was brutal from a Derry pov. Size difference in the two keepers was really noticeable, but the quality of penalties by Tyrone was much better.
I actually thought we attacked poorly as well. Players taking touches instead of passing first time, players running into 2/3 Derry men and players scared to shoot with the weak foot. I know they're only young lads but I'd say there's 9 or 10 of them that start for club and Tyrone league is taken seriously
Minor Semi finals results yesterday
Donegal 1-7 Armagh 2-8
Derry 2-14 Tyrone 1-10
Final May 26th at 1pm in Healy Park
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 19, 2024, 11:09:34 AMMinor Semi finals results yesterday
Donegal 1-7 Armagh 2-8
Derry 2-14 Tyrone 1-10
Final May 26th at 1pm in Healy Park
Great to have an Armagh underage team reach the Ulster final. It seems like it has been a long time. O'Rourke has done a very good job with these lads. All the best to them.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 21, 2024, 11:11:47 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on May 19, 2024, 11:09:34 AMMinor Semi finals results yesterday
Donegal 1-7 Armagh 2-8
Derry 2-14 Tyrone 1-10
Final May 26th at 1pm in Healy Park
Great to have an Armagh underage team reach the Ulster final. It seems like it has been a long time. O'Rourke has done a very good job with these lads. All the best to them.
O'Rourke stepped into a good gig, the ground work had been done with the coaches in the development panels and this group has been winning trophies at U15/16 level the last two years. Derry will be tough nut to crack however Armagh should do well in the All Ireland series regardless of how the Ulster final goes this weekend.
Is that not how it's supposed to work - has Damien McErlain been taking the Derry u15s and u16s for the last few years?
Also - has O'Rourke not been overseeing the Armagh development squads for the last 3/4 years when they have finally started to get some traction?
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 21, 2024, 02:48:29 PMIs that not how it's supposed to work - has Damien McErlain been taking the Derry u15s and u16s for the last few years?
Also - has O'Rourke not been overseeing the Armagh development squads for the last 3/4 years when they have finally started to get some traction?
Eugene O'Callaghan was the Armagh U16 manager last year and Barra O' Muiri, Brendan Nugent among the coaches.
Wasn't O'Rourke over the Dromintee u16's who won ulster club there?
Anyway great to see some positive results at underage, felt as though there were years there we barely got a win at all. Derry are definitely strong and beat us well a few weeks ago but anything can happen in a final.
The competition commences Wednesday 19th March. Derry and Tyrone should be the two strongest again and Ulster winner will be hard stopped in the All Ireland series once more.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 19, 2025, 03:24:23 PMThe competition commences Wednesday 19th March. Derry and Tyrone should be the two strongest again and Ulster winner will be hard stopped in the All Ireland series once more.
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Fermanagh would be tough to beat this year. A surprise is on the cards in the first group. I'd say either Donegal or Tyrone won't make it out of that group.
Quote from: jay110 on February 20, 2025, 04:57:15 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 19, 2025, 03:24:23 PMThe competition commences Wednesday 19th March. Derry and Tyrone should be the two strongest again and Ulster winner will be hard stopped in the All Ireland series once more.
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Fermanagh would be tough to beat this year. A surprise is on the cards in the first group. I'd say either Donegal or Tyrone won't make it out of that group.
You honestly predicting Fermanagh to beat Tyrone and/or Donegal? What have Fermanagh got that makes you so confident?
Who's supposed to be there or thereabouts at U20 this year? Tyrone / Derry still the teams to beat?
Was it Armagh minors that went on the run last year or 2023?
Quote from: ClubScene13 on March 04, 2025, 03:58:43 PMWho's supposed to be there or thereabouts at U20 this year? Tyrone / Derry still the teams to beat?
Was it Armagh minors that went on the run last year or 2023?
Derry and Tyrone should be the two strongest again and Ulster winner will be hard stopped in the All Ireland series once more.
Armagh more 2026 if a decent management team in place.
Wednesday 19th Mar 2025
2025 Ulster GAA Football U20 Championship Group A Round 1
Down V Tyrone
Fermanagh V Donegal
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on March 19, 2025, 01:59:17 PMWednesday 19th Mar 2025
2025 Ulster GAA Football U20 Championship Group A Round 1
Down V Tyrone
Fermanagh V Donegal
Going by the odds one sided wins for Tyrone and Donegal
Results
Fermanagh 1-8 Donegal 1-18
Down 0-11 Tyrone 3-15
Quote from: ClubScene13 on March 04, 2025, 03:58:43 PMWho's supposed to be there or thereabouts at U20 this year? Tyrone / Derry still the teams to beat?
Was it Armagh minors that went on the run last year or 2023?
[/quotefeerQuote from: ClubScene13 on March 04, 2025, 03:58:43 PMWho's supposed to be there or thereabouts at U20 this year? Tyrone / Derry still the teams to beat?
Was it Armagh minors that went on the run last year or 2023?
Derry beat Monaghan in 2023 in the final and Armagh in last year's final.
Ulster U20 Group A Round One
Down 0-11 3-15 Tyrone
Defending U20 All-Ireland Champions Tyrone began their Ulster campaign with a strong second half display resulting in a 13-point victory over Down in Burren.
Down were well in the game at the break, with the sides level 0-7 to 1-4, but two more Tyrone goals and 11 points to Downs four was emphatic for Paul Devlin's team.
The hosts came out of the blocks promisingly, with four points on the board before Tyrone got a meaningful touch on the ball.
Eoghan Travers came close to a goal from throw-in but Tyrone netminder Conor McAneaney made the close-range save for a '45 that Travers sent between the sticks.
Meanwhile Down goalkeeper DJ Farrell was spending most of his time in the attack line and it paid off as he hit a two-pointer and a single score to give his side a four-point lead.
Tyrone settled after that and it seemed they had gained control when points from Noah Grimes, Daragh Donaghy and Ruairi McCullagh preceded a goal from Conor O'Neill following a lovely one-two with captain Joey Clarke.
Still, there was no shaking the home side at that stage, as Travers raised an orange flag to stop the rot and with two more scores at either end, the sides were level 0-7 to 1-4 at half-time.
Tyrone senior player Eoin McElholm came on at-half-time and was dominant straight away with a point and four more to follow.
On 35 minutes Clarke once again set up Liam Og Mossey for the second goal that put Tyrone 2-6 to 0-8 to the good and while Down weren't ready to throw in the towel yet, the signs were there.
They almost pulled a maximum back when Callan Morgan dropped a free attempt short and Lorcan Ward rolled the ball inches wide of the empty net but Tyrone went straight down the field and while a Grimes goal was disallowed as a square ball, McElholm put them six in front from the resulting free.
It was plain sailing for the champions after that, with two points and a third goal from McElhattan giving them an unassailable 3-13 to 0-9 lead and while Travers converted a two-point free to put his side into double digits, Tyrone ran out comfortable winners.
Down: DJ Farrell 0-3 (1tp); B Christie, L Vaughan, L Lynch; D Murdock, J McFerran, C Morgan (0-1); D McKernan, L Quinn; E Murray, L Ward, E Travers 0-6 (1âČ45, 1 tp, 1f, 1tpf); B McEvoy 0-1(1f), C Clerkin, O Murphy.
Subs: O Byrne for Quinn (38), O Byrne for Ward (47), R Magorrian (55), R McEvoy for Travers (58)
Tyrone: C McAneney; S McCaul. B Hughes, C Devlin; C Daly, J Clarke, F Nelis; C Devlin, C O'Neill 1-1; D Donaghy 0-1, C Sheehy, M Quinn 0-2; N Grimes 0-1, R McCullagh 0-2 (1f), L Og Mossey 1-0.
Subs: E McElholm 0-5 (2f, 1tp) for McCullagh (h-t), E Donaghy 0-1 for Sheehey (48), M McIlhatten 1-1 for Donaghy (48), L McCullagh 0-1 for Quinn (50), S McCann for Devlin (58)
Referee: Niall McKenna (Monaghan
Derry giving Armagh a trimming 2.13 to 4 and not HT yet
Quote from: bennydorano on March 26, 2025, 08:01:58 PMDerry giving Armagh a trimming 2.13 to 4 and not HT yet
I know they are only challenge matches but I heard they gave both ourselves and Mayo serious trimmings in recent weeks.
A very impressive side by all accounts.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 26, 2025, 08:01:58 PMDerry giving Armagh a trimming 2.13 to 4 and not HT yet
Jesus I knew Derry were favourites but that's serious shooting. Can we fire some of these lads in against Donegal?
Some good news at last 🤓
Quote from: screenexile on March 26, 2025, 08:06:53 PMQuote from: bennydorano on March 26, 2025, 08:01:58 PMDerry giving Armagh a trimming 2.13 to 4 and not HT yet
Jesus I knew Derry were favourites but that's serious shooting. Can we fire some of these lads in against Donegal?
Would be good. Middle of May would be the latest
Quote from: screenexile on March 26, 2025, 08:06:53 PMQuote from: bennydorano on March 26, 2025, 08:01:58 PMDerry giving Armagh a trimming 2.13 to 4 and not HT yet
Jesus I knew Derry were favourites but that's serious shooting. Can we fire some of these lads in against Donegal?
The shooting is of course on target, but the Derry defending is also as good as you'll see
Donegal 3-22 Antrim 0-2 with about ten to go
Results one sided matches and one draw
Monaghan 1-10 Cavan 0-13
Tyrone 6-26 Fermanagh 0-6
Armagh 0-13 Derry 2-24
Antrim 0-2 Donegal 3-23
A few hammerings. 2 pts for Antrim is shocking. Is there any investment in underage or just notions of a nice Casement?
Is your man Sargeant playing for Derry? Say he wouldn't be far off senior level, machine of a man.
Quote from: jay110 on February 20, 2025, 04:57:15 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 19, 2025, 03:24:23 PMThe competition commences Wednesday 19th March. Derry and Tyrone should be the two strongest again and Ulster winner will be hard stopped in the All Ireland series once more.
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Fermanagh would be tough to beat this year. A surprise is on the cards in the first group. I'd say either Donegal or Tyrone won't make it out of that group.
This didn't age too well
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 26, 2025, 09:10:54 PMResults one sided matches and one draw
Monaghan 1-10 Cavan 0-13
Tyrone 6-26 Fermanagh 0-6
Armagh 0-13 Derry 2-24
Antrim 0-2 Donegal 3-23
Not totally unusual in this competition. Even without 2 pointers Tyrone beat Monaghan by 27 points last year in the round robin, but only won by a point in the semi-final. Mind you, Antrim scored at least 3 last year.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 26, 2025, 10:38:46 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 26, 2025, 09:10:54 PMResults one sided matches and one draw
Monaghan 1-10 Cavan 0-13
Tyrone 6-26 Fermanagh 0-6
Armagh 0-13 Derry 2-24
Antrim 0-2 Donegal 3-23
Not totally unusual in this competition. Even without 2 pointers Tyrone beat Monaghan by 27 points last year in the round robin, but only won by a point in the semi-final. Mind you, Antrim scored at least 3 last year.
Was this not considered an 'ok' Antrim team?
Quote from: armaghniac on March 26, 2025, 10:38:46 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 26, 2025, 09:10:54 PMResults one sided matches and one draw
Monaghan 1-10 Cavan 0-13
Tyrone 6-26 Fermanagh 0-6
Armagh 0-13 Derry 2-24
Antrim 0-2 Donegal 3-23
Not totally unusual in this competition. Even without 2 pointers Tyrone beat Monaghan by 27 points last year in the round robin, but only won by a point in the semi-final. Mind you, Antrim scored at least 3 last year.
Two different Monaghan teams though.
Eamon Young, James Sargent, Johnny McGuckian is some half forward line for this level. Donegal are dangerous but it could be the same as last year, where whoever wins when Tyrone and Derry meet will be thinking of an All Ireland.
Galway and Mayo probably need watched having been the minor final 3 years ago but hard to know how much continuity you can take from U17 to U20
Quote from: ClubScene13 on March 26, 2025, 11:33:12 PMEamon Young, James Sargent, Johnny McGuckian is some half forward line for this level. Donegal are dangerous but it could be the same as last year, where whoever wins when Tyrone and Derry meet will be thinking of an All Ireland.
Galway and Mayo probably need watched having been the minor final 3 years ago but hard to know how much continuity you can take from U17 to U20
There are only 11 of Derry's 2022 minor panel on the 2025 u20 panel (35 players).
That Minor team had got to a All Ireland semi final.
Yeah, U17 to U20 is a completely different squad. Things change a lot in that time frame.
It's a busy period in young lads lives - loss of interest, uni, jobs and travel etc. A lot changes in a few months, never mind a few years.
During this age group they are pulled from pillar to post on that many different teams. Never mind if they're dual players.
If they get past that, only one age group that they can play for.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on March 26, 2025, 11:33:12 PMEamon Young, James Sargent, Johnny McGuckian is some half forward line for this level. Donegal are dangerous but it could be the same as last year, where whoever wins when Tyrone and Derry meet will be thinking of an All Ireland.
Galway and Mayo probably need watched having been the minor final 3 years ago but hard to know how much continuity you can take from U17 to U20
All of them still U20 next year and two of them for the year after that too afaik.
Nice to see the talent coming through, can hopefully help with the squad depth in the senior side over the coming years.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 26, 2025, 09:55:12 PMIs your man Sargeant playing for Derry? Say he wouldn't be far off senior level, machine of a man.
James Sargent is only out of minors and will be one for the future but not ready for senior just yet. Plenty more serious talent in this squad if they can be kept together and nurtured along over the next few years.
Quote from: Squareball71 on March 27, 2025, 03:25:59 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 26, 2025, 09:55:12 PMIs your man Sargeant playing for Derry? Say he wouldn't be far off senior level, machine of a man.
James Sargent is only out of minors and will be one for the future but not ready for senior just yet. Plenty more serious talent in this squad if they can be kept together and nurtured along over the next few years.
Some player. Beat our lads on his own in the final last year.
Plenty of talent coming through in Derry for sure.
Derry and Tyrone seems to be miles ahead of the majority of counties with underage development.
Quote from: cornerback on March 27, 2025, 11:26:56 AMQuote from: ClubScene13 on March 26, 2025, 11:33:12 PMEamon Young, James Sargent, Johnny McGuckian is some half forward line for this level. Donegal are dangerous but it could be the same as last year, where whoever wins when Tyrone and Derry meet will be thinking of an All Ireland.
Galway and Mayo probably need watched having been the minor final 3 years ago but hard to know how much continuity you can take from U17 to U20
There are only 11 of Derry's 2022 minor panel on the 2025 u20 panel (35 players).
The word on the street was that Derry took the cream of the 2022 panel and added a good chunk of the 2023 minor team and a sprinkling of the 2024 minors. I'm not sure how many of those newbridge lads were on the 2022 team, but I heard there were no trials at any rate.
Surely u had have some sort of trials to select a panel.
Quote from: onefineday on March 28, 2025, 01:14:32 AMQuote from: cornerback on March 27, 2025, 11:26:56 AMQuote from: ClubScene13 on March 26, 2025, 11:33:12 PMEamon Young, James Sargent, Johnny McGuckian is some half forward line for this level. Donegal are dangerous but it could be the same as last year, where whoever wins when Tyrone and Derry meet will be thinking of an All Ireland.
Galway and Mayo probably need watched having been the minor final 3 years ago but hard to know how much continuity you can take from U17 to U20
There are only 11 of Derry's 2022 minor panel on the 2025 u20 panel (35 players).
The word on the street was that Derry took the cream of the 2022 panel and added a good chunk of the 2023 minor team and a sprinkling of the 2024 minors. I'm not sure how many of those newbridge lads were on the 2022 team, but I heard there were no trials at any rate.
We only had one w/and he was a sub on the 2022 team( Patrick McMullan)
Donegal 3-23 Down 1-11 FT u-20
Donegal 3-11 Armagh 1-8 minor league
Donegal giving Tyrone a decent game
Half time scores
Derry 1-10 Monaghan 1-1
Cavan 1-5 Armagh 0-10
Donegal 1-10 Tyrone 0-5
Down 4-10 Antrim 0-3
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 02, 2025, 08:01:40 PMDonegal giving Tyrone a decent game
A lot of talk about Tyrone and Derry but Donegal are a serious side too.
Quote from: oakleaflad on April 02, 2025, 08:13:40 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 02, 2025, 08:01:40 PMDonegal giving Tyrone a decent game
A lot of talk about Tyrone and Derry but Donegal are a serious side too.
McElholm away on the Senior training holiday instead of playing tonight??
No way back for Monaghan here but a really unfortunate injury to their best player McCaul hopefully not as bad as it looked!
Derry 3.13 Monaghan 1.05
FT Derry 3-21 Monaghan 1-10
Is U20 only 60mins?
Quote from: oakleaflad on April 02, 2025, 08:51:40 PMFT Derry 3-21 Monaghan 1-10
And other results
Donegal 3-16 Tyrone 0-17
Cavan 3-16 Armagh 1-19
Down 5-19 Antrim 0-21
That Derry side seem relentless.
Quote from: screenexile on April 02, 2025, 08:30:32 PMNo way back for Monaghan here but a really unfortunate injury to their best player McCaul hopefully not as bad as it looked!
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Quote from: screenexile on April 02, 2025, 08:30:32 PMNo way back for Monaghan here but a really unfortunate injury to their best player McCaul hopefully not as bad as it looked!
Yep definitely hope it's not as bad as it looks , he is a hell of a player
Quote from: screenexile on April 02, 2025, 08:22:11 PMQuote from: oakleaflad on April 02, 2025, 08:13:40 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 02, 2025, 08:01:40 PMDonegal giving Tyrone a decent game
A lot of talk about Tyrone and Derry but Donegal are a serious side too.
McElholm away on the Senior training holiday instead of playing tonight??
Yeah very big loss for such a stupid reason. If he was being released back to Under 20s surely he should have been staying with the Under 20s.
How is U20/Senior eligibility worked currently
Can play Senior but then becomes ineligible for U20s?
So if McElhlom plays against Cavan his U20 season is over?
I was wondering if Roarty would be lining out for Donegal U-20s now that the league is over, but looks like Jim has plans for him in the senior championship.
U20 results tonight
Armagh 3-16 Monaghan 2-14
Cavan 2-13 Derry 1-26
Tyrone 2-24 Antrim 0-10
We might poke fun at Derrys demise at senior level but what the he'll are they doing at underage level absolute conveyor belt of top class teams. Big win again tonight.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 09, 2025, 11:32:14 PMWe might poke fun at Derrys demise at senior level but what the he'll are they doing at underage level absolute conveyor belt of top class teams. Big win again tonight.
Derry have to be one of the most successful counties in Ireland in recent times at underage and school level. But it must be head scratching for Derry folk why that can't seem to carry into the senior team. Especially when you look at other Ulster counties like Donegal, Armagh and Monaghan who haven't been as successful at underage level but more successful at senior.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on April 10, 2025, 01:20:31 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 09, 2025, 11:32:14 PMWe might poke fun at Derrys demise at senior level but what the he'll are they doing at underage level absolute conveyor belt of top class teams. Big win again tonight.
Derry have to be one of the most successful counties in Ireland in recent times at underage and school level. But it must be head scratching for Derry folk why that can't seem to carry into the senior team. Especially when you look at other Ulster counties like Donegal, Armagh and Monaghan who haven't been as successful at underage level but more successful at senior.
That success at minor level is only very recent. It's not too long ago we went about 12 seasons without winning a match at minor level.
Quote from: lenny on April 10, 2025, 06:36:13 AMQuote from: Easttyrone23 on April 10, 2025, 01:20:31 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 09, 2025, 11:32:14 PMWe might poke fun at Derrys demise at senior level but what the he'll are they doing at underage level absolute conveyor belt of top class teams. Big win again tonight.
Derry have to be one of the most successful counties in Ireland in recent times at underage and school level. But it must be head scratching for Derry folk why that can't seem to carry into the senior team. Especially when you look at other Ulster counties like Donegal, Armagh and Monaghan who haven't been as successful at underage level but more successful at senior.
That success at minor level is only very recent. It's not too long ago we went about 12 seasons without winning a match at minor level.
I know their all Ireland minor titles have been fairly recent but have won 3 of the last 5. They've won 5 of the last 10 Ulster minor championships and Derry schools have won 7 of the last 12 mac Rory cups. When you also take into account their successful club teams during that period it surely asks the question.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on April 10, 2025, 01:20:31 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 09, 2025, 11:32:14 PMWe might poke fun at Derrys demise at senior level but what the he'll are they doing at underage level absolute conveyor belt of top class teams. Big win again tonight.
Derry have to be one of the most successful counties in Ireland in recent times at underage and school level. But it must be head scratching for Derry folk why that can't seem to carry into the senior team. Especially when you look at other Ulster counties like Donegal, Armagh and Monaghan who haven't been as successful at underage level but more successful at senior.
Derry have won 2 of 4 (including 2025 which we can't win) Ulster Championships and a National Football League.
Armagh haven't won Ulster since 2008, and Monaghan since 2015.
Armagh have the All-Ireland, Donegal have an Ulster Championship in the same timeframe.
Armagh fans would I imagine take their All Ireland ahead of all Derry's wins and Donegal fans are certainly more optimistic of the future.
But between the three counties you mention Derry could be considered the most successful over the recent period so I am not sure it makes your argument that underage success "can't seem to carry into the senior team".
Nope, the All-Ireland win for Armagh, be the big boys on the block.
South Derry surely the strongest football area in the country?
I think it doesn't always follow that underage success results in automatic progression to the senior ranks.
Physique becomes more of an issue, for example, and where smaller players at minor can still make hay, it's not as easy when transitioning to senior.
Generally, I think if you get 3-4 players from a successful minor/u20 team feeding into the senior panel that would be the norm across the board for all counties.
All we have at the minute is recent under age success providing players with the potential to make it to county senior. It remains to be seen how many will make the step up, but you can't really rush the process unless there is an exceptional talent with the physicality to step up.
Similar with successful clubs - Slaughtneil at their peak provided Rogers, McGuigan, Cassidy and McKaigue.
Magherafelt recent county winners provided Lynch and McCloskey.
Glen and their AI exploits - Ethan Doherty, Glass, McFaul.
Newbridge - McGrogan
I'm probably missing a few players there but a successful club team will have 2-3 county standard players.
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Was at Armagh match last night, lost CHB & a MFer to injury by HT but looked to click in the 2nd when the circumstances had forced them into action. The fact it was do or die no doubt helped. Young O'Rourke was dynamite in the HB line. Couple of tasty forwards in McGeough and Duffy at 11 was vg as well I thought. Solid improvement in performance but you'd imagine Tyrone will be too hot.
Is the semi-final pairing decided by a draw from quarter finalist winners or are they already decided?
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 10, 2025, 04:29:40 PMIs the semi-final pairing decided by a draw from quarter finalist winners or are they already decided?
I read somewhere that Derry play the winners of Tyrone v Armagh.
Quote from: oakleafgael on April 10, 2025, 05:42:08 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 10, 2025, 04:29:40 PMIs the semi-final pairing decided by a draw from quarter finalist winners or are they already decided?
I read somewhere that Derry play the winners of Tyrone v Armagh.
Yeah winners of Tyrone and Armagh will play in the Derry Semi Final in Owenbeg on Wednesday 23rd.
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 11, 2025, 09:20:58 AMQuote from: oakleafgael on April 10, 2025, 05:42:08 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 10, 2025, 04:29:40 PMIs the semi-final pairing decided by a draw from quarter finalist winners or are they already decided?
I read somewhere that Derry play the winners of Tyrone v Armagh.
Yeah winners of Tyrone and Armagh will play in the Derry Semi Final in Owenbeg on Wednesday 23rd.
So it's likely going to be Tyrone?
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 11, 2025, 09:49:39 AMQuote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 11, 2025, 09:20:58 AMQuote from: oakleafgael on April 10, 2025, 05:42:08 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 10, 2025, 04:29:40 PMIs the semi-final pairing decided by a draw from quarter finalist winners or are they already decided?
I read somewhere that Derry play the winners of Tyrone v Armagh.
Yeah winners of Tyrone and Armagh will play in the Derry Semi Final in Owenbeg on Wednesday 23rd.
So it's likely going to be Tyrone?
Should be but looks like McElholm is staying with the Seniors, which is a big big loss for Tyrone chances.
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 11, 2025, 01:51:01 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 11, 2025, 09:49:39 AMQuote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 11, 2025, 09:20:58 AMQuote from: oakleafgael on April 10, 2025, 05:42:08 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 10, 2025, 04:29:40 PMIs the semi-final pairing decided by a draw from quarter finalist winners or are they already decided?
I read somewhere that Derry play the winners of Tyrone v Armagh.
Yeah winners of Tyrone and Armagh will play in the Derry Semi Final in Owenbeg on Wednesday 23rd.
So it's likely going to be Tyrone?
Should be but looks like McElholm is staying with the Seniors, which is a big big loss for Tyrone chances.
Named among Tyrone Subs to play Cavan in the senior championship this weekend
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 11, 2025, 03:24:37 PMQuote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 11, 2025, 01:51:01 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 11, 2025, 09:49:39 AMQuote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 11, 2025, 09:20:58 AMQuote from: oakleafgael on April 10, 2025, 05:42:08 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 10, 2025, 04:29:40 PMIs the semi-final pairing decided by a draw from quarter finalist winners or are they already decided?
I read somewhere that Derry play the winners of Tyrone v Armagh.
Yeah winners of Tyrone and Armagh will play in the Derry Semi Final in Owenbeg on Wednesday 23rd.
So it's likely going to be Tyrone?
Should be but looks like McElholm is staying with the Seniors, which is a big big loss for Tyrone chances.
Named among Tyrone Subs to play Cavan in the senior championship this weekend
But 100% committed to the U20's apparently.
Quote from: GTP on April 10, 2025, 08:54:57 AMQuote from: Easttyrone23 on April 10, 2025, 01:20:31 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 09, 2025, 11:32:14 PMWe might poke fun at Derrys demise at senior level but what the he'll are they doing at underage level absolute conveyor belt of top class teams. Big win again tonight.
Derry have to be one of the most successful counties in Ireland in recent times at underage and school level. But it must be head scratching for Derry folk why that can't seem to carry into the senior team. Especially when you look at other Ulster counties like Donegal, Armagh and Monaghan who haven't been as successful at underage level but more successful at senior.
Derry have won 2 of 4 (including 2025 which we can't win) Ulster Championships and a National Football League.
Armagh haven't won Ulster since 2008, and Monaghan since 2015.
Armagh have the All-Ireland, Donegal have an Ulster Championship in the same timeframe.
Armagh fans would I imagine take their All Ireland ahead of all Derry's wins and Donegal fans are certainly more optimistic of the future.
But between the three counties you mention Derry could be considered the most successful over the recent period so I am not sure it makes your argument that underage success "can't seem to carry into the senior team".
In fairness I maybe didn't word it right but I wasn't claiming Derry were less successful than those 3 counties, I meant those counties have been more successful at senior level than youth level. While Derry have been very strong at youth level but haven't matched that success at senior.
Tyrone v Armagh on TG4 2nite
Quote from: bennydorano on April 16, 2025, 05:20:06 PMTyrone v Armagh on TG4 2nite
Cavan v Down on YouTube as well as a few other games.
Quote from: p3427977 on April 11, 2025, 03:28:20 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 11, 2025, 03:24:37 PMQuote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 11, 2025, 01:51:01 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 11, 2025, 09:49:39 AMQuote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 11, 2025, 09:20:58 AMQuote from: oakleafgael on April 10, 2025, 05:42:08 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 10, 2025, 04:29:40 PMIs the semi-final pairing decided by a draw from quarter finalist winners or are they already decided?
I read somewhere that Derry play the winners of Tyrone v Armagh.
Yeah winners of Tyrone and Armagh will play in the Derry Semi Final in Owenbeg on Wednesday 23rd.
So it's likely going to be Tyrone?
Should be but looks like McElholm is staying with the Seniors, which is a big big loss for Tyrone chances.
Named among Tyrone Subs to play Cavan in the senior championship this weekend
But 100% committed to the U20's apparently.
He's named to start for Tyrone tonight.
Armagh free brought in 50m because there was a group of players and the player taking the free ran into the group of players that was surrounding him. No chance at all for the crowd to get out of the way and no genuine attempt from Tyrone to stop the free/tap and go being taken. Some craic
Good half for Armagh, 1.6 to 8 up at ht and missed plenty of chances, looked like Tyrone had whatever wind there was in their favour. Armagh missing their CHB & MFer that went off injured last week as well. Tyrone very dangerous looking when the ball gets up front quickly.
Complacency is a killer, hard to shake it.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 08:04:33 PMArmagh free brought in 50m because there was a group of players and the player taking the free ran into the group of players that was surrounding him. No chance at all for the crowd to get out of the way and no genuine attempt from Tyrone to stop the free/tap and go being taken. Some craic
That was a disgraceful decision.
Tyrone No 14 looks a good player.
Some goal!
Don't look as defensively sound as we have been on years previous and look to lack a bit of urgency. McElholm would need to get on more ball. And as I'm typing just scored a goal from playing it quicker. Need more of that
This ref is an absolute disgrace!
WTF was the Ref doing there, joke goal. 1.1 he's give Tyrone there
Don't know what the last break from Armagh at Midfield was called for either.
There's the game.
Aaron O'Neill - Quite possibly the most idiotic thing I've seen a player do there, some achievement.
Armagh have hit the self destruct button.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 16, 2025, 08:34:50 PMWTF was the Ref doing there, joke goal. 1.1 he's give Tyrone there
Thats the rules. Armagh lad walking backwards and wouldn't give the ball back. Brought forward 50m goal scored, Armagh management shouting and a free given as per rules.
He's just making stuff up now.
Joke of a ref
That you can't bring a man Bck when a man down doesn't make sense. It's too big a disadvantage
That's game. More life in the second half. Noah Grimes made a huge difference there
Extra man made all the difference, and the fact its a extra outfield player in attack, plus stupid first goal Armagh gave away.
The 1.1 the ref was directly responsible for changed the course of that game 100%.
Now the final score will totally misrepresent the flow of the game, Tyrone will learn nothing and Derry will annihilate them.
Worst 20 minutes of refereeing I've seen in a long time.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 16, 2025, 08:39:16 PMAaron O'Neill - Quite possibly the most idiotic thing I've seen a player do there, some achievement.
Armagh have hit the self destruct button.
Is he related to Rian?
Tyrone deserved winners in the end but the referee was the deciding factor in their victory.
Quote from: p3427977 on April 16, 2025, 08:53:15 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 16, 2025, 08:39:16 PMAaron O'Neill - Quite possibly the most idiotic thing I've seen a player do there, some achievement.
Armagh have hit the self destruct button.
Is he related to Rian?
Brother
Woeful refereeing and I am a Tyrone fan. If this is the prelude to what is going to happen at club level then football will end up chaotic.
The referee didn't have a clue what he was doing when the game got tight and cost Armagh dearly, although I do think Tyrone would have got over the line but not as clear cut as it ended up
Quote from: mackers on April 16, 2025, 08:52:24 PMWorst 20 minutes of refereeing I've seen in a long time.
What call was wrong? Armagh player didnt give ball back and gave away a 50m free which resulted in the goal. Correct call.
Armagh management shouting at the decision. Free given as per rules. Correct call.
Aramgh lad pulled down tyrone player. Black card given. Correct call.
All calls were correct and came directly from poor discipline.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 16, 2025, 08:59:07 PMQuote from: mackers on April 16, 2025, 08:52:24 PMWorst 20 minutes of refereeing I've seen in a long time.
What call was wrong? Armagh player didnt give ball back and gave away a 50m free which resulted in the goal. Correct call.
Armagh management shouting at the decision. Free given as per rules. Correct call.
Aramgh lad pulled down tyrone player. Black card given. Correct call.
All calls were correct and came directly from poor discipline.
Would like someone to answer this. They might have been harsh but these are the rules that were voted in. The ref is following the rules. It's not the ref people should have an issue with, it's the FRC
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 09:09:55 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 16, 2025, 08:59:07 PMQuote from: mackers on April 16, 2025, 08:52:24 PMWorst 20 minutes of refereeing I've seen in a long time.
What call was wrong? Armagh player didnt give ball back and gave away a 50m free which resulted in the goal. Correct call.
Armagh management shouting at the decision. Free given as per rules. Correct call.
Aramgh lad pulled down tyrone player. Black card given. Correct call.
All calls were correct and came directly from poor discipline.
Would like someone to answer this. They might have been harsh but these are the rules that were voted in. The ref is following the rules. It's not the ref people should have an issue with, it's the FRC
Or the players for committing the fouls 🤷
Yes, they are the rules but that doesn't mean that the referee was correct in his initial decision to bring the ball forward.
Competitive display by Armagh until they ran out of juice for the final 10 minutes. Winner of Ulster will likely win the All Ireland at this grade again so good to for young lads to be competitive. Less said about the ref the better..
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on April 16, 2025, 09:16:28 PMYes, they are the rules but that doesn't mean that the referee was correct in his initial decision to bring the ball forward.
What do you mean? The Armagh lad clearly held on to the ball too long. Ref was 100% right to pull it forward 50m. Tyrone took it quick and punished Armagh defence switching off.
Armagh bench then clearly gave bad manners and free given in response. These are the rules.
Missed the black card decision so can't comment on that.
Convenient for the Tyrone men tonight to sit behind a warped interpretation of the rules but if you have any perspective you will see what's coming down the line for all of us.
A good ref is going to struggle with these rules on his own. A bad one - like tonight - will ruin games and dictate the outcome.
Personally I prefer football to decide the outcome of games.
Ach lads, don't be so competitive. Just enjoy all the lovely football and scores and don't worry about the result. Get a wee ice cream on the way home.
Yours
Jim and Jarlath
That's it basically, Armagh are going to have to suck it up tonight, everyone will get a taste of being at the whim of an inept ref before too long.
The Tyrone player clearly blocked Aaron O'Neill's run. O'Neill's reaction warranted the card he got but Tyrone lad should have received a black card along with him. These rules are very dangerous in the wrong referee's hands. If Tyrone are put out of the championship on the back of such decisions ye won't be citing correct calls. There will be war.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on April 16, 2025, 09:16:28 PMYes, they are the rules but that doesn't mean that the referee was correct in his initial decision to bring the ball forward.
He was correct. If the armagh player handed the ball back the goal and subsequent point wouldnt have happened. No one was impeding him handing it back
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 16, 2025, 09:24:07 PMConvenient for the Tyrone men tonight to sit behind a warped interpretation of the rules but if you have any perspective you will see what's coming down the line for all of us.
A good ref is going to struggle with these rules on his own. A bad one - like tonight - will ruin games and dictate the outcome.
Personally I prefer football to decide the outcome of games.
Tyrone sufferermd a 50m free in cavan game for Mckernan being shoved before he could give the ball to cavan. He couldnt give it back as 2 players were shoving him.
In this instance the armagh lad simply wouldnt give the ball back. Big difference.
Personally I dont like having to hand the ball back or the 2 point rule.
It should be changed that you are not allowed to impede the free e.g kicking the ball away or blocking the player but you shouldn't have to hand it back.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 16, 2025, 08:59:07 PMQuote from: mackers on April 16, 2025, 08:52:24 PMWorst 20 minutes of refereeing I've seen in a long time.
What call was wrong? Armagh player didnt give ball back and gave away a 50m free which resulted in the goal. Correct call.
Armagh management shouting at the decision. Free given as per rules. Correct call.
Aramgh lad pulled down tyrone player. Black card given. Correct call.
All calls were correct and came directly from poor discipline.
The Armagh lad held ball out to the Tyrone lad who didn't take it. Are we suggesting the rules state that you have to wait until it suits the opposition player to take the ball. If he had have pushed the ball into the players stomach he would have been carded.
Yes. If the referee punches a player he can still move it forward 50m if a manager complains.
Aaron O'Neill pulled the lad who had run into his chest off the ball.( I watched it back ) A different referee would have carded the Tyrone lad.
As others have said Tyrone got the rub of the green today but club matches could become a nightmare.
For what it is worth Armagh did better than I thought and I think Tyrone would still have won if the game had have stayed close and even to the end.
That O'Neil black card, I did actually thought the ref had blew for a Armagh free for the tangle with the Tyrone player. I didn't watch it bck but was suprised free went the other way at the time.
Was at the game tonight and half the time the crowd hadn't a clue what was going on. They are removing all emotion from the game. Armagh lost that game tonight because one of their players didn't hand the ball back.Its just ridiculous.
I think Armagh had lead the whole game, up to the free for dissent from Barry O'Hagan. Was that short of the 50th min mark, possible 48mins. So i can see how Armagh are sick. Big issue with a man down, is the stupid recent rule change means u can't bring a forward bck to match up against the same no.of attackers from the other team.
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 16, 2025, 10:52:03 PMWas at the game tonight and half the time the crowd hadn't a clue what was going on. They are removing all emotion from the game. Armagh lost that game tonight because one of their players didn't hand the ball back.Its just ridiculous.
He'll hand it back the next time 8)
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 16, 2025, 10:52:03 PMWas at the game tonight and half the time the crowd hadn't a clue what was going on. They are removing all emotion from the game. Armagh lost that game tonight because one of their players didn't hand the ball back.Its just ridiculous.
But there was 10 points in it.
10 pts
Quote from: bennydorano on April 16, 2025, 08:49:39 PMThe 1.1 the ref was directly responsible for changed the course of that game 100%.
Now the final score will totally misrepresent the flow of the game, Tyrone will learn nothing and Derry will annihilate them.
This thread has turned into pure comedy gold.
Quote from: Throw ball on April 16, 2025, 09:49:23 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 16, 2025, 08:59:07 PMQuote from: mackers on April 16, 2025, 08:52:24 PMWorst 20 minutes of refereeing I've seen in a long time.
What call was wrong? Armagh player didnt give ball back and gave away a 50m free which resulted in the goal. Correct call.
Armagh management shouting at the decision. Free given as per rules. Correct call.
Aramgh lad pulled down tyrone player. Black card given. Correct call.
All calls were correct and came directly from poor discipline.
The Armagh lad held ball out to the Tyrone lad who didn't take it. Are we suggesting the rules state that you have to wait until it suits the opposition player to take the ball. If he had have pushed the ball into the players stomach he would have been carded. Actually if you watch it again he is walking backwards with the outstretched as if to say come and get it. 50m frees have been give for far less this year already.
Yes. If the referee punches a player he can still move it forward 50m if a manager complains.
Aaron O'Neill pulled the lad who had run into his chest off the ball.( I watched it back ) A different referee would have carded the Tyrone lad.
As others have said Tyrone got the rub of the green today but club matches could become a nightmare.
For what it is worth Armagh did better than I thought and I think Tyrone would still have won if the game had have stayed close and even to the end.
The Armagh lad held ball out to the Tyrone lad who didn't take it. Are we suggesting the rules state that you have to wait until it suits the opposition player to take the ball. If he had have pushed the ball into the players stomach he would have been carded.
Actually if you watch it again he is walking backwards with the outstretched holding the ball as if to say come and get it. 50m frees have been give for far less this year already.Yes. If the referee punches a player he can still move it forward 50m if a manager complains.
Bit extreme, every team was briefed at the start of the year that shouting from the sidelines can result in a free against your team.[/b]
If you think last night was bad wait until you are we are in the final stages of the championship, there will be teams put out of it for a lot less. Madness really.
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 16, 2025, 09:24:07 PMConvenient for the Tyrone men tonight to sit behind a warped interpretation of the rules but if you have any perspective you will see what's coming down the line for all of us.
A good ref is going to struggle with these rules on his own. A bad one - like tonight - will ruin games and dictate the outcome.
Personally I prefer football to decide the outcome of games.
I 100 percent agree with you. I don't like that this is part of the game now either. We benefited from it last night but it's still bs in my opinion. Unfortunately these are the rules that were voted in (almost unanimously if I recall)
The FRA will take no responsibility, Ăamonn Fitzmaurice would sicken your hole defending it as would all the Sunday Game "analysts" at least Whelan keeps calling out the 2 point shite for an infringement. In fairness it was really road tested in Sandbox games isn't that the line.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 17, 2025, 08:08:35 AMQuote from: DuffleKing on April 16, 2025, 09:24:07 PMConvenient for the Tyrone men tonight to sit behind a warped interpretation of the rules but if you have any perspective you will see what's coming down the line for all of us.
A good ref is going to struggle with these rules on his own. A bad one - like tonight - will ruin games and dictate the outcome.
Personally I prefer football to decide the outcome of games.
I 100 percent agree with you. I don't like that this is part of the game now either. We benefited from it last night but it's still bs in my opinion. Unfortunately these are the rules that were voted in (almost unanimously if I recall)
Would agree also, but has discipline not been an issue under O'Hagan?
The O'Neill black was a disaster and extremely harsh. Playing with a man down is very difficult under these rules and in a tight game will mean you lose.
HQ may be hoping that it leads to improved discipline. But the GAA needs to take serious look at that game and try to learn from it
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 16, 2025, 10:59:32 PMQuote from: reddgnhand on April 16, 2025, 10:52:03 PMWas at the game tonight and half the time the crowd hadn't a clue what was going on. They are removing all emotion from the game. Armagh lost that game tonight because one of their players didn't hand the ball back.Its just ridiculous.
He'll hand it back the next time 8)
He did hand the ball back though. The law's an ass.
Quote from: Armamike on April 17, 2025, 09:47:54 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 16, 2025, 10:59:32 PMQuote from: reddgnhand on April 16, 2025, 10:52:03 PMWas at the game tonight and half the time the crowd hadn't a clue what was going on. They are removing all emotion from the game. Armagh lost that game tonight because one of their players didn't hand the ball back.Its just ridiculous.
He'll hand it back the next time 8)
He did hand the ball back though. The law's an ass.
Don't hand the ball back within 5 seconds it's brought forward, throw the ball back instead of handing it back it's brought forward, get thrown around the place by 2 players and physically unable to give the ball back it's brought forward 50m, don't hand it back to the nearest opposition player it's brought forward. Some craic the whole thing
It should be handed bck to the player fouled not the nearest player.
As a neutral, ref was fine, but blaming the ref for your own team's indiscipline is absurd. Tyrone were always the better team, tho Armagh battled well for a long time.
Quote from: befair on April 17, 2025, 01:40:12 PMAs a neutral, ref was fine, but blaming the ref for your own team's indiscipline is absurd. Tyrone were always the better team, tho Armagh battled well for a long time.
Wasn't the case and don't let a strong finish for Tyrone cloud that.
15 minutes played Armagh the better team three points in front.
Half time Armagh with a deserved 1 point lead after they were the better team
45 minutes played the better team on the night Armagh three points in front.
No juice left for the final 15 minutes plus added time and Armagh was outscored 2-4 to no score.
They weren't the better team for over 45mins.
U17 round 1 championship results
Donegal 3-10 Monaghan 3-8
Tyrone 2-19 Fermanagh 0-3
Cavan 1-12 Derry 1-7
Armagh 2-9 Antrim 0-10
That Cavan result over Derry is a massive shot in the arm for a very despondent county. Well done to all involved.
Should be interesting 2nite Derry v Tyrone, Tyrone will certainly not be as complacent as they were v Armagh. Derry look awesome to date but have nearly been going too well too early, Tyrone will up it tenfold but bookies have it 4/9 and 3/1.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 23, 2025, 09:23:01 AMShould be interesting 2nite Derry v Tyrone, Tyrone will certainly not be as complacent as they were v Armagh. Derry look awesome to date but have nearly been going too well too early, Tyrone will up it tenfold but bookies have it 4/9 and 3/1.
Should be a good game alright hopefully we can come out on the right side but James Sargent is a massive loss
Quote from: bennydorano on April 23, 2025, 09:23:01 AMShould be interesting 2nite Derry v Tyrone, Tyrone will certainly not be as complacent as they were v Armagh. Derry look awesome to date but have nearly been going too well too early, Tyrone will up it tenfold but bookies have it 4/9 and 3/1.
Anyone know if it's being
Quote from: bennydorano on April 23, 2025, 09:23:01 AMShould be interesting 2nite Derry v Tyrone, Tyrone will certainly not be as complacent as they were v Armagh. Derry look awesome to date but have nearly been going too well too early, Tyrone will up it tenfold but bookies have it 4/9 and 3/1.
Anyone know if it'll be shown on Ulster GAA TV?
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 23, 2025, 10:09:35 AMQuote from: bennydorano on April 23, 2025, 09:23:01 AMShould be interesting 2nite Derry v Tyrone, Tyrone will certainly not be as complacent as they were v Armagh. Derry look awesome to date but have nearly been going too well too early, Tyrone will up it tenfold but bookies have it 4/9 and 3/1.
Anyone know if it's being
Quote from: bennydorano on April 23, 2025, 09:23:01 AMShould be interesting 2nite Derry v Tyrone, Tyrone will certainly not be as complacent as they were v Armagh. Derry look awesome to date but have nearly been going too well too early, Tyrone will up it tenfold but bookies have it 4/9 and 3/1.
Anyone know if it'll be shown on Ulster GAA TV?
Games appear to be on TG4 You Tube https://www.tg4.ie/en/irish-tv-schedule/live-sport/
Quote from: GTP on April 23, 2025, 10:16:59 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 23, 2025, 10:09:35 AMQuote from: bennydorano on April 23, 2025, 09:23:01 AMShould be interesting 2nite Derry v Tyrone, Tyrone will certainly not be as complacent as they were v Armagh. Derry look awesome to date but have nearly been going too well too early, Tyrone will up it tenfold but bookies have it 4/9 and 3/1.
Anyone know if it's being
Quote from: bennydorano on April 23, 2025, 09:23:01 AMShould be interesting 2nite Derry v Tyrone, Tyrone will certainly not be as complacent as they were v Armagh. Derry look awesome to date but have nearly been going too well too early, Tyrone will up it tenfold but bookies have it 4/9 and 3/1.
Anyone know if it'll be shown on Ulster GAA TV?
Games appear to be on TG4 You Tube https://www.tg4.ie/en/irish-tv-schedule/live-sport/
TG4 always there when you need them. Cheers
Unless Tyrone compete on Derrys kickouts, this game is over
Derry starting to motor a bit. Intense enough game. Looks to be a big crowd.
Donegal a much superior team then cavan. Cavan passing it around in attack and going nowhere.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 23, 2025, 08:01:58 PMDerry starting to motor a bit. Intense enough game. Looks to be a big crowd.
Looks to be big crowd alright.
Brings me back to the 2011 - 2015 era when Cavan U21 games used to fill up Brewster Park midweek.
Would love to see the possession stats because Derry have had maybe 60-70% of the ball but doing very little with it. Clueless up front really running down blind alleys and carrying into trouble.
Tyrone on the other hand have defended really well, kicked early ball into the forward line and have come by their scores much easier.
If Tyrone can get more ball the second half they have the players to hurt Derry but really Derry should be 5 or 6 up at this stage.
Tyrone forwards on top but will they get enough ball? Derry nr10 the stand out player for them and need to get him on the ball more often
Is this Tyrone/Derry game proper knockout? Hard to keep track of everything these days.
Quote from: clarshack on April 23, 2025, 08:07:16 PMIs this Tyrone/Derry game proper knockout? Hard to keep track of everything these days.
Semi-final... knockout
Don't think we defended overly well at times. When it was a 1 on 1 we struggled when we were able to get 2 or 3 supporting players we managed to hold them out. Handed 3 points at the end there to I feel. Not sure what the first free was given for, feel like we got away with the same types of challenges down the other end and not sure what the 2 pointer was given for either
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 23, 2025, 08:09:17 PMQuote from: clarshack on April 23, 2025, 08:07:16 PMIs this Tyrone/Derry game proper knockout? Hard to keep track of everything these days.
Semi-final... knockout
Thanks, will cheer a bit louder at the TV now!
Were tyrone not on 12 points. Now showing 11
Tyrone well worth that win.
Derry were absolutely shocking second half and Tyrone started to get their fair share of ball and their better players made the difference.
Was Paddy Tally coaching these defenders?
Tyrone were vulnerable at the back there, Derry player could have worked a shot at goal if he really wanted to. Was happy to see him take a point with no time left.
Still cant work out how 4 of last yrs starting forwards are not on that team.
When is the ulster final scheduled for?
Quote from: rodney trotter on April 23, 2025, 08:03:42 PMDonegal a much superior team then cavan. Cavan passing it around in attack and going nowhere.
FT 4-19 to 2-7
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 23, 2025, 08:56:47 PMStill cant work out how 4 of last yrs starting forwards are not on that team.
Our attack was shocking and led to the problems in defence.
We were still trying to play the old way of hand passing around the 45 looking for overloads when Tyrone were being direct kicking ball early into space.
Midfield ran out of steam in the second half as well.
There was big hopes for that Derry team.
Bob Hope
That was a weird game. Derry looked the better side in the first half, but sort of stopped playing when 9-5 up. Gaping holes in the centre of their defence second half. And they didn't seem all that bothered. Was weird.
Then, at the end when 7 points down and time running out, they decide to play again.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 23, 2025, 08:56:47 PMStill cant work out how 4 of last yrs starting forwards are not on that team.
Did you ever hear what happened? I know a few of the lads weren't named on the initial panel. Was there a fall out?
Quote from: ONeill on April 23, 2025, 10:23:32 PMThat was a weird game. Derry looked the better side in the first half, but sort of stopped playing when 9-5 up. Gaping holes in the centre of their defence second half. And they didn't seem all that bothered. Was weird.
Then, at the end when 7 points down and time running out, they decide to play again.
Tyrone learned the lesson against Donegal. Tonight like last week against Armagh conceded a lot of ball around the middle to protect their goal. When possession was won the ball went at speed to the forwards.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 23, 2025, 08:56:47 PMStill cant work out how 4 of last yrs starting forwards are not on that team.
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Well one of the four is overage (O'Donnell) and another is carrying an injury I believe (McCann) Spiers made the decision to leave the panel after the first game
Should say 4 of the panel forwards,
C Chambers and E Murphy didn't start but had started earlier games. E Higgins did,
Chambers did Start the final last year, Eoin Higgins came on a sub,Eoin was on the panel this year but I believe left due to injury
Quote from: Topmarks on April 23, 2025, 10:27:48 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 23, 2025, 08:56:47 PMStill cant work out how 4 of last yrs starting forwards are not on that team.
Did you ever hear what happened? I know a few of the lads weren't named on the initial panel. Was there a fall out?
Fwiw I heard that the plan was to concentrate on developing the two all Ireland winning minor teams, maybe 3 in a row at u20 was the goal.
Quote from: galwayman on April 23, 2025, 09:17:42 PMThere was big hopes for that Derry team.
Hopes high because of Derry winning U17 All Irelands the last two years and Hogan cup for St. Pat's, Maghera however it was probably a year too soon for that Derry U20 team this year. Tyrone won the U17 Ulster in 2022 and they have 10 starters from last years U20 All Ireland winning team.
That Derry team reached minor semi. And in theory should had alot of starters from last year.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 24, 2025, 01:13:22 AMQuote from: galwayman on April 23, 2025, 09:17:42 PMThere was big hopes for that Derry team.
Hopes high because of Derry winning U17 All Irelands the last two years and Hogan cup for St. Pat's, Maghera however it was probably a year too soon for that Derry U20 team this year. Tyrone won the U17 Ulster in 2022 and they have 10 starters from last years U20 All Ireland winning team.
Tyrone are also selecting from Omagh's Hogan cup winning squad and the age group when 3 of the 4 McRory Cup semi finalists where Tyrone schools.
After last night's disappointing performance by Derry U20's both on the field and on the side line as some posters have alluded to, I nevertheless feel that there is a quota from that team who can be promoted immediately to the Senior county panel. I am thinking of Ruairi Forbes, Danny McDermott, Conor McGrogan and a fully fit Ryan McNicholl. Anyone who was at the the U20 games this year agree with the above or other additional choices?
Also when speaking about last night's game one must remember that 9 of last night's starters plus Fionn McEldowney and James Sargent are all underage next year. If all stakeholders can learn from last night's mistakes, there surely is a good chance of All-Ireland U20 honours next year.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 24, 2025, 11:52:18 AMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 24, 2025, 01:13:22 AMQuote from: galwayman on April 23, 2025, 09:17:42 PMThere was big hopes for that Derry team.
Hopes high because of Derry winning U17 All Irelands the last two years and Hogan cup for St. Pat's, Maghera however it was probably a year too soon for that Derry U20 team this year. Tyrone won the U17 Ulster in 2022 and they have 10 starters from last years U20 All Ireland winning team.
Tyrone are also selecting from Omagh's Hogan cup winning squad and the age group when 3 of the 4 McRory Cup semi finalists where Tyrone schools.
Yes a very strong Omagh school team.
Quote from: Derry Dreamer on April 24, 2025, 02:35:03 PMAfter last night's disappointing performance by Derry U20's both on the field and on the side line as some posters have alluded to, I nevertheless feel that there is a quota from that team who can be promoted immediately to the Senior county panel. I am thinking of Ruairi Forbes, Danny McDermott, Conor McGrogan and a fully fit Ryan McNicholl. Anyone who was at the the U20 games this year agree with the above or other additional choices?
Also when speaking about last night's game one must remember that 9 of last night's starters plus Fionn McEldowney and James Sargent are all underage next year. If all stakeholders can learn from last night's mistakes, there surely is a good chance of All-Ireland U20 honours next year.
I agree, I would go as far and say that D McDermott and R Forbes should start for the seniors this year. I would also look at P McMullan and C McGuckian. Eamon young is a class act but still at school so would give it a year before bringing him in.
Quote from: Topmarks on April 24, 2025, 04:34:07 PMQuote from: Derry Dreamer on April 24, 2025, 02:35:03 PMAfter last night's disappointing performance by Derry U20's both on the field and on the side line as some posters have alluded to, I nevertheless feel that there is a quota from that team who can be promoted immediately to the Senior county panel. I am thinking of Ruairi Forbes, Danny McDermott, Conor McGrogan and a fully fit Ryan McNicholl. Anyone who was at the the U20 games this year agree with the above or other additional choices?
Also when speaking about last night's game one must remember that 9 of last night's starters plus Fionn McEldowney and James Sargent are all underage next year. If all stakeholders can learn from last night's mistakes, there surely is a good chance of All-Ireland U20 honours next year.
I agree, I would go as far and say that D McDermott and R Forbes should start for the seniors this year. I would also look at P McMullan, F McEldowney and C McGuckian. Eamon young is a class act but still at school so would give it a year before bringing him in.
What club is Caolan Donnelly the Tyrone N7 wed nite? Some performance.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 25, 2025, 02:59:21 PMWhat club is Caolan Donnelly the Tyrone N7 wed nite? Some performance.
Fintona
Ref could have blew there for about 4 Donegal 'hand passes' in a row. Woeful
Hard watch
Quote from: bennydorano on April 30, 2025, 08:11:36 PMHard watch
Given how many basic mistakes both teams have made, whatever team gets the win will be considering themselves seriously fortunate.
1-9 each with minutes remaining.
Stuck in Owenbeg watching this.. and this the new rules! Wat wud it be like etc?...
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 30, 2025, 08:51:14 PMStuck in Owenbeg watching this.. and this the new rules! Wat wud it be like etc?...
Farcical at the end.
Ridiculous finish.
Said it at the start of the year and I'll lay money it'll be same at the end of the year. There'll be as many good/shite games under the new rules as the old.
Some puzzling decisions from the ref in the last ten minutes
Wouldn't have known we had new rules at all with that match. Doubt many neutral viewers wanted extra time.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 30, 2025, 08:55:31 PMSaid it at the start of the year and I'll lay money it'll be same at the end of the year. There'll be as many good/shite games under the new rules as the old.
There has been a huge improvement but if teams don't want to play is nothing you can do about it...
Tyrone looked like they didn't want to win that. The no. 5 was a joke standing in the one spot while bouncing and soloing. I was hoping they'd run out of time b4 getting a shot at the end.
Shocking game. Great conditions and that crap is played.
Some shooting by tyrone. 7 quick point's
Why is there not hooter?
60 minutes of utter shite and then a great first half of ET. Where was this earlier on?
That lad daly that thinks he's smart with the skills and no one near him then buys an under 10 dummy for their 2nd goal. Clown
There was a strong wind down the field in the second half. Donegal had it and wouldn't press Tyrone. Scored two quick two pointers after half time and then tried to play on the break
Wasn't a great look running down the clock from Tyrone granted but totally understandable. No point taking the ball into contact and giving Donegal a chance with the wind advantage
Tyrone 3 ahead after the 1st half of extra time.
Fedk sake. That would have been a great end too. Why were all the Donegal players remonstrating before that?
The Faloon show, knobhead. Did Donegal dirty
What was going on with the ref? Seemed very harsh on Donegal with a few decisions.
Tyrone two point winners.
All Ireland semi finals
Tyrone v Kerry
Mayo v Louth
what was that last free gave for?
I assumed the four back but couldn't understand why the Donegal players giving off before the free?
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 30, 2025, 09:40:13 PMI assumed the four back but couldn't understand why the Donegal players giving off before the free?
Yeah what were they giving off about?
It looked like he didn't make the same call against Tyrone a few minutes earlier when they didn't have the players back
Yeah I thought that too. The ginger haired fella from Donegal was going mad.
Quote from: greatpoint on April 30, 2025, 09:50:43 PMIt looked like he didn't make the same call against Tyrone a few minutes earlier when they didn't have the players back
Exactly this. The ref looked back, was then facing it but refused to blow
The ref will not call this in Championship football.
It'll be the linesman or 4th official.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 30, 2025, 10:19:44 PMThe ref will not call this in Championship football.
It'll be the linesman or 4th official.
The ref turned around and looked straight at it - surely it is up to him then to call it.
Quote from: Mikhailov on April 30, 2025, 10:24:51 PMQuote from: Norf Tyrone on April 30, 2025, 10:19:44 PMThe ref will not call this in Championship football.
It'll be the linesman or 4th official.
The ref turned around and looked straight at it - surely it is up to him then to call it.
I think he turned around as 4 or 5 Donegal men were roaring. Why I don't know.
Watching from terrace tyrone def only 2 back. Thought ref was gonna call it back after play had stopped. Would have been 2 point opportunity and there was a helping breeze. If this happens in bigger game with more cameras then it will be a real shame.
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Quote from: Mikhailov on April 30, 2025, 10:24:51 PMQuote from: Norf Tyrone on April 30, 2025, 10:19:44 PMThe ref will not call this in Championship football.
It'll be the linesman or 4th official.
The ref turned around and looked straight at it - surely it is up to him then to call it.
I think he turned around as 4 or 5 Donegal men were roaring. Why I don't know.
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That's a plucky Tyrone side. Mightn't be as laced with talent as previous U20s but hard to put away.
Those last 4 minutes of normal time (2 mins either side of 60) was something else. Donegal knew exactly the distance Tyrone couldn't score from, and Tyrone knew exactly the time left. No one was prepared to take a chance until 40 secs left. I know it would never be allowed to happen, but had Donegal decided to surprise Tyrone, and attacked the line of Tyrone ball carriers as a group, a turnover was 50/50.
I suppose 50/50 isn't good odds.
Quote from: greatpoint on April 30, 2025, 09:33:13 PMWhat was going on with the ref? Seemed very harsh on Donegal with a few decisions.
Forgot about it this evening until I saw a FB post from a relative who was it. To say they were not happy with the ref would be seriously understating it!
I was at it on the half way line. Tyrone did have a small break in the 4v3 but Eoin mcelholm was instructed by linesman to get back and he did. The rules changed to give this leeway if I'm correct?
Donegal breeched it by a country mile for the deciding free kick.
The wind was much stronger there than if might have appeared on TV. Tyrone were 100% correct to hold on to the ball as the Donegal anti football philosophy meant that they'd completely clogged up the scoring zone. Would have been sucicidal to risk bringing the ball into contact.
On a separate note, You'd wonder if Donegal people would ever get fed up of the way they play football. f**k it's a hard watch and forces the other team to mirror them. Hardly a ball kicked more than 30m and as soon as they lose the ball it's a sprint back to 12 men inside the arc.
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 30, 2025, 11:35:46 PMI was at it on the half way line. Tyrone did have a small break in the 4v3 but Eoin mcelholm was instructed by linesman to get back and he did. The rules changed to give this leeway if I'm correct?
Donegal breeched it by a country mile for the deciding free kick.
The wind was much stronger there than if might have appeared on TV. Tyrone were 100% correct to hold on to the ball as the Donegal anti football philosophy meant that they'd completely clogged up the scoring zone. Would have been sucicidal to risk bringing the ball into contact.
On a separate note, You'd wonder if Donegal people would ever get fed up of the way they play football. f**k it's a hard watch and forces the other team to mirror them. Hardly a ball kicked more than 30m and as soon as they lose the ball it's a sprint back to 12 men inside the arc.
Spot on, pure and utter muck. It's absolutely putrid. Tyrone learned from the game in Ballybofey a few weeks back where they consistently fell into the spiders web and were hit on the counter. Unfortunately the only way to beat it is to mirror it.
You could see a Tyrone man scampering back as clear as day on TV, not just crossing the line misdemeanour style, didnt look like McElholm, might have got away with a few.
Donegal U20 been like that past few yrs. Done the same with Derry last year.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 30, 2025, 11:46:40 PMYou could see a Tyrone man scampering back as clear as day on TV,
This is funny as hell.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 30, 2025, 09:00:12 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 30, 2025, 08:55:31 PMSaid it at the start of the year and I'll lay money it'll be same at the end of the year. There'll be as many good/shite games under the new rules as the old.
There has been a huge improvement but if teams don't want to play is nothing you can do about it...
That's it like. When it comes to these high pressure situation games where a mistake at the wrong time could completely change the momentum of the game teams are going to try and control the game. Tyrone picked it up in extra time and had the quality and bravery to go for 2 pointers but there'd be plenty of teams that wouldn't be going for them if there was no need to be
Quote from: timmyot501 on April 30, 2025, 09:02:17 PMTyrone looked like they didn't want to win that. The no. 5 was a joke standing in the one spot while bouncing and soloing. I was hoping they'd run out of time b4 getting a shot at the end.
How did he do anything wrong though? Keep the ball and make sure you get the last shot off. It happens all the time in senior football now and it happens all the time in basketball. Why would you willingly give the opposition another chance to get up the pitch and score?
Where and when is the semi final?
I presume next weekend in Portlaoise where they bate Kerry last year in the final.
Have Kerry any big players this year?
Good to see Donegal getting a taste of their own medicine. Sad thing is they have some amazing players there but not allowed to express themselves.
I bet you the senior Ulster final will worse.
The punishment for breeching the 3v3 rule for an attacking team seems ridiculously harsh. Possession on the halfway line for the opposition would suffice.
A defending team intentionally bringing an extra defender back is what should warrant a 14m/40m free.
Agree except the 40m option should be dropped.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 01, 2025, 12:30:08 PMAgree except the 40m option should be dropped.
The issue with this is that if Team A is 2 points up and the hooter has sounded then an intentional breach of the rule would ensure Team B cannot win the game - They get a 21m free, 1 point and game over. I doubt this scenario was in anyone's thinking when the rules came in but each variation and ammendment can have unforeseen consequences down the line.
Quote from: GTP on May 01, 2025, 03:10:48 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 01, 2025, 12:30:08 PMAgree except the 40m option should be dropped.
The issue with this is that if Team A is 2 points up and the hooter has sounded then an intentional breach of the rule would ensure Team B cannot win the game - They get a 21m free, 1 point and game over. I doubt this scenario was in anyone's thinking when the rules came in but each variation and ammendment can have unforeseen consequences down the line.
Pretty sure you can take a shot from outside the arc for a breach?
I was suggesting you shouldn't but GTPs comment says it woukd make it pay to breach.
Quote from: GTP on May 01, 2025, 03:10:48 PMQuote from: Rossfan on May 01, 2025, 12:30:08 PMAgree except the 40m option should be dropped.
The issue with this is that if Team A is 2 points up and the hooter has sounded then an intentional breach of the rule would ensure Team B cannot win the game - They get a 21m free, 1 point and game over. I doubt this scenario was in anyone's thinking when the rules came in but each variation and ammendment can have unforeseen consequences down the line.
There is no requirement to shoot from the free, they can attempt to either work a two point kick from play or a goal, just like in the pre-hooter days. Indeed at least with the hooter, they have the benefit of knowing that they can work the play until they feck it up themselves, rather than be at the mercy of the ref's discretion.
I wouldn't want to be trying to work a scoring opportunity outside the arc from a 21m free and additionally the team leading could repeat the breach if it looked like a 2 point opportunity was going to arise.
Would a choice of free from where the ball is when the breach occurs or a 21m free be a fairer solution? You could get a 2 pointer if you or defending team had possession outside the arc or the straighforward free.
Minors R2 - Donegal 1-21 Armagh 1-15
Tyrone 0-19 Cavan 0-13
Who plays who in semi and anyone any ideas who'd be considered favourites?
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 03, 2025, 04:47:17 PMWho plays who in semi and anyone any ideas who'd be considered favourites?
Quarter Finals
Sat 10th May - 12pm Cavan v Down in Breffni Park
Sun 11th May - 12pm Monaghan v Armagh in a Monaghan venue
Winners to be drawn against Tyrone,Donegal who have already qualified for the semi-finals on Sat 17th May
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 03, 2025, 04:47:17 PMTyrone 0-19 Cavan 0-13
Who plays who in semi and anyone any ideas who'd be considered favourites?
Both Tyrone and Donegal would probably be considered as the 2 strongest teams going by the Ulster minor league. Both teams fairly comfortably reached the final where Tyrone narrowly won it. Cavan and Armagh both reached the semi finals of the minor league with both now being knocked out by Tyrone and Donegal.
Derry U17 All Ireland champions the last two years and not reaching this years Ulster Semi final a bit of a shock?
Would not read too much into the Derry u17 defeat.
It was expected in a few quarters.
Not a talented a squad as previous years but still had a few good players.
Management inexperienced, management of the u16 team in 2024 alot more experienced.
Next years management will be intresting.
Think kerry will take tyrone tomorrow and get revenge for last year game. Tomas O'Se will be Kerry manager for seniors.
Quote from: LarryStiles on May 09, 2025, 11:36:50 PMThink kerry will take tyrone tomorrow and get revenge for last year game. Tomas O'Se will be Kerry manager for seniors.
Fair f&*ks to them if they do considering the game is scheduled for Sunday.
Kerry turn up the mor? Haven't seen a final mistimed since Tony booked the wrong All-Ireland weekend.
Is tyrone kerry match on tv
The two U17 Quarter final results. Monaghan 2-12 Armagh 1-7. Cavan 1-12 Down 0-10.
Semi finals. Tyrone v Monaghan and Donegal v Cavan both to be played May 17th.
Anyone know when the U20 final is?
Ulster minor semi-final result:
Cavan 1-17 Donegal 0-15
A small silver lining after some abject Ulster championship showings by Cavan sides this year. Cavan will now meet Tyrone in the final, a county we routinely beat on the big days, so I'd say she's in the bag already 8)
Tyrone 2-20 Monaghan 3-12 in the other semi final.
To whom it concerns:
Leinster minor championship final tonight: Louth v Offaly.
Live on TG4, throw-in: 7:30pm.
Louth going for the big Leinster treble!
Horse v Harte!
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 19, 2025, 06:24:22 PMTo whom it concerns:
Leinster minor championship final tonight: Louth v Offaly.
Live on TG4, throw-in: 7:30pm.
Louth going for the big Leinster treble!
Horse v Harte!
Wrong thread.
https://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=33458.30
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 11, 2025, 09:27:22 PMAnyone know when the U20 final is?
Wednesday 28th May