Tyrone Armagh on tg4 player app.
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 06, 2022, 02:08:32 PM
Tyrone Armagh on tg4 player app.
I'm up north but using a vpn for Dublin. Still won't let me play it on Tg4 app
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2022, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 06, 2022, 02:08:32 PM
Tyrone Armagh on tg4 player app.
I'm up north but using a vpn for Dublin. Still won't let me play it on Tg4 app
I'm using a VPN to watch it using the app on a fire stick. Working fine on my iPad/iPhone, have you location enabled in the location settings?
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on February 06, 2022, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2022, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 06, 2022, 02:08:32 PM
Tyrone Armagh on tg4 player app.
I'm up north but using a vpn for Dublin. Still won't let me play it on Tg4 app
I'm using a VPN to watch it using the app on a fire stick. Working fine on my iPad/iPhone, have you location enabled in the location settings?
Thanks. Yeah it says location ireland on the settings but not working. Will catch up on deferred coverage later. Cheers
Fuckin hell.
Armagh are ripping Tyrone a new one.
2-8 to O-3 coming up to half
Against a strong breeze too.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2022, 02:35:19 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on February 06, 2022, 02:29:34 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2022, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 06, 2022, 02:08:32 PM
Tyrone Armagh on tg4 player app.
I'm up north but using a vpn for Dublin. Still won't let me play it on Tg4 app
I'm using a VPN to watch it using the app on a fire stick. Working fine on my iPad/iPhone, have you location enabled in the location settings?
Thanks. Yeah it says location ireland on the settings but not working. Will catch up on deferred coverage later. Cheers
Restart the app and maybe your iPad. Should work but sometimes takes that.
Armagh much the better team, could easily have had another 2 goals as well.
Quote from: Armamike on February 06, 2022, 02:41:01 PM
Against a strong breeze too.
Dear god, are Armagh playing against the breeze?
Killing session out there!
Tyrone has a strong breeze in the first half.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2022, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 06, 2022, 02:08:32 PM
Tyrone Armagh on tg4 player app.
I'm up north but using a vpn for Dublin. Still won't let me play it on Tg4 app
I'm in North too ..no need for vpn
McCurry off for Donaghy, jaysus.
Armagh giving away a lot of silly frees now.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 06, 2022, 03:15:26 PM
Monaghan 1-9 Mayo 1-8. Midway second half.
quite a few "no malice intended" on the commentary
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on February 06, 2022, 03:20:03 PM
Armagh giving away a lot of silly frees now.
Gough giving a lot of dubious ones
Today at least no one has to listen to the commentator creaming themselves when Mayo manage to score standard frees.
Holy f**k!
Tyrone absolutely embarrassing themselves here
;D How many reds?
4 reds.. Holy f**k lol
Quote from: J70 on February 06, 2022, 03:38:44 PM
;D How many reds?
5, one for Armagh and 4 for Tyrone
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on February 06, 2022, 03:40:37 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 06, 2022, 03:38:44 PM
;D How many reds?
5, one for Armagh and 4 for Tyrone
How the armagh full back avoids a red there I'll never know
Embarrassing. Hopefully this is our killarney moment.
Quote from: lenny on February 06, 2022, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 06, 2022, 03:38:44 PM
;D How many reds?
4 for Tyrone, 1 for armagh.
Dooher may take the training this week. Logan will be busy trying to get those boys off on appeal.
I can't comment as the computer went out. What were all those cards for?
Who were the 4?
A 20 man melee. Only one armagh man did anything wrong though.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on February 06, 2022, 03:43:50 PM
I can't comment as the computer went out. What were all those cards for?
My coverage went as well.in the mean time Peter Harte must have pulled a machine gun out to deserve a red card from the bit I saw.
I missed the middle part. All I saw was the usual all-in bullshit over nothing, then when the coverage came back the four boys trudging off.
I know we're close to valentines day but that was alot of red cards. Christ!!
Armagh had 3 extra men and still conceded the kickout to Tyrone in order to maintain their blanket defense. I've seen it all now.
Tyrone gonna Tyrone!!!
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 06, 2022, 03:45:33 PM
A 20 man melee. Only one armagh man did anything wrong though.
Aye normally when your smashing the other teams back doors in you be sure to get involved in a 20 man row to see out the game. All started cos of McShane, McGeary acting the candy man and McKernan swinging away thinking he's in the ring - didn't see the other two but it's not as if this isn't what these lot are reared on in Tyrone club football. Probably thought they'd get away with it too saying gough handed them soft frees like they were going out of fashion
That's more like the old Armagh. Mcshane wins a dubious free to put 3 in it and the 2 Armagh defenders headlock him and sludden and won't let go till there's an all out melee. But I'm sure it will come back to haunt them ltr in the year as it always has
I'm hearing that, even though he retired 17 years ago, Peter Canavan was also somehow sent off.
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2022, 03:51:35 PM
That's more like the old Armagh. Mcshane wins a dubious free to put 3 in it and the 2 Armagh defenders headlock him and sludden and won't let go till there's an all out melee. But I'm sure it will come back to haunt them ltr in the year as it always has
Aye that's cos what teams who are winning normally do ;D
Really shouldn't have took the foot of the gas in the 2nd half, there was a 15pt hammering there for the taking.
Ref hadn't a clue what to do so just decided to allocate red cards based on All Ireland titles.
Never saw as many players from the one team get lined from one melee. The ref and linesmen had a great view of it though. I was looking forward to us walking the ball into the net a couple of times after that but it wasn't to be.
We made a bit hard work of that second half. Couldn't manage to get out of defence enough with them pushing up the pitch. Tyrone got joy from running at us and getting close in frees. Probably learnt a bit more about ourselves than if the second half had been like the first.
Quote from: general_lee on February 06, 2022, 03:57:16 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2022, 03:51:35 PM
That's more like the old Armagh. Mcshane wins a dubious free to put 3 in it and the 2 Armagh defenders headlock him and sludden and won't let go till there's an all out melee. But I'm sure it will come back to haunt them ltr in the year as it always has
Aye that's cos what teams who are winning normally do ;D
It's what teams do to kill momentum.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 06, 2022, 03:58:02 PM
Ref hadn't a clue what to do so just decided to allocate red cards based on All Ireland titles.
;D ;D
Quote from: LeoMc on February 06, 2022, 04:03:24 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 06, 2022, 03:57:16 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2022, 03:51:35 PM
That's more like the old Armagh. Mcshane wins a dubious free to put 3 in it and the 2 Armagh defenders headlock him and sludden and won't let go till there's an all out melee. But I'm sure it will come back to haunt them ltr in the year as it always has
Aye that's cos what teams who are winning normally do ;D
It's what teams do to kill momentum.
Yes, you're awarded a free out and you start a row. Wise up
Quote from: LeoMc on February 06, 2022, 04:03:24 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 06, 2022, 03:57:16 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2022, 03:51:35 PM
That's more like the old Armagh. Mcshane wins a dubious free to put 3 in it and the 2 Armagh defenders headlock him and sludden and won't let go till there's an all out melee. But I'm sure it will come back to haunt them ltr in the year as it always has
Aye that's cos what teams who are winning normally do ;D
It's what teams do to kill momentum.
It does indeed and they got the win and fair play to them.
Congratulations to Armagh on their All Ireland ;D.
In fairness Armagh played really well first half and O'Nelil in particular was terrific. Still very early days and I'd say Armagh are ahead of a few sides with their preparation, but promising signs there for Armagh without doubt.
Tyrone on the other hand are still a long way off the pace. All at sea first half and still rather laborious in an improved second half. Ultimately that's two teams in different places but Tyrone will need to start going up a level or two over the next few weeks.
Like everyone else I lost coverage at the end. 4 reds to 1 seemed bizarre on what I did see prior to that, it must have taken a really drastic turn for that wee spell when the coverage was away. Or the ref got it wrong.
That scene of the four boys trudging off the field could become iconic. :)
Has that ever happened before in senior intercounty football?
Gaaboards been cryin out for a Trone Ourma rivalry/riot once again, wouldnt be surprised if theyre behind it somehow
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2022, 03:51:35 PM
That's more like the old Armagh. Mcshane wins a dubious free to put 3 in it and the 2 Armagh defenders headlock him and sludden and won't let go till there's an all out melee. But I'm sure it will come back to haunt them ltr in the year as it always has
100% it was Armagh up to their old tricks again.
If this doesn't motivate Tyrone for the rest of the season then nothing will.
Always a great day for Armagh when they send Tyrone home with their tails between their legs.
They'll not serve a day of suspension.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 06, 2022, 04:11:31 PM
Always a great day for Armagh when they send Tyrone home with their tails between their legs.
Armagh are fitter than everyone else at the minute. That's it.
The other teams will catch up with them fitness wise come championship time and then we will see Armagh fail again as per usual.
Quote from: clarshack on February 06, 2022, 04:22:23 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 06, 2022, 04:11:31 PM
Always a great day for Armagh when they send Tyrone home with their tails between their legs.
Armagh are fitter than everyone else at the minute. That's it.
The other teams will catch up with them fitness wise come championship time and then we will see Armagh fail again as per usual.
I wouldn't say so. Armagh are playing well for one half and doing the bare minimum in the second half. If anything, Armagh could get fitter when the championship comes. They are still playing without a few players who could have a huge impact come the championship.
Quote from: clarshack on February 06, 2022, 04:22:23 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 06, 2022, 04:11:31 PM
Always a great day for Armagh when they send Tyrone home with their tails between their legs.
Armagh are fitter than everyone else at the minute. That's it.
The other teams will catch up with them fitness wise come championship time and then we will see Armagh fail again as per usual.
Awful to see a Tyronie taking a national league defeat so badly 😁
Quote from: clarshack on February 06, 2022, 04:22:23 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 06, 2022, 04:11:31 PM
Always a great day for Armagh when they send Tyrone home with their tails between their legs.
Armagh are fitter than everyone else at the minute. That's it.
The other teams will catch up with them fitness wise come championship time and then we will see Armagh fail again as per usual.
Damage control?
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2022, 04:05:23 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on February 06, 2022, 04:03:24 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 06, 2022, 03:57:16 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2022, 03:51:35 PM
That's more like the old Armagh. Mcshane wins a dubious free to put 3 in it and the 2 Armagh defenders headlock him and sludden and won't let go till there's an all out melee. But I'm sure it will come back to haunt them ltr in the year as it always has
Aye that's cos what teams who are winning normally do ;D
It's what teams do to kill momentum.
It does indeed and they got the win and fair play to them.
They certainly did deserve it for the first half performance alone, indeed they should have been further ahead. They did appear to be lacking a leader to kill Tyrones momentum in that final 10 minutes and it was starting to look like Tyrone would get a score each time they came up.
I will not comment on the validity of those frees any more than I could comment on the 5 reds.
One would have to be excited about where Armagh are at now. They are a serious contender, not just for provincial honours, but for national honours also.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 06, 2022, 04:11:31 PM
Always a great day for Armagh when they send Tyrone home with their tails between their legs.
Don't get many of them to be fair.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 06, 2022, 03:58:02 PM
Ref hadn't a clue what to do so just decided to allocate red cards based on All Ireland titles.
😂
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 06, 2022, 04:43:10 PM
One would have to be excited about where Armagh are at now. They are a serious contender, not just for provincial honours, but for national honours also.
It is nice to get wins for sure but there won't be many Armagh fans thinking beyond that. Tyrone are off the pace at the minute and last year serves as a reminder that results in the league do not matter in the championship.
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 06, 2022, 04:50:13 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 06, 2022, 03:49:50 PM
Tyrone gonna Tyrone!!!
Did you see it?
Why would I have to anyone who's followed football knows what Tyrone are like!
To be fair to armagh they'll need to get up to pace for donegal in Ballybofey. Lovely place to go in the first round of the championship
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2022, 03:51:35 PM
That's more like the old Armagh. Mcshane wins a dubious free to put 3 in it and the 2 Armagh defenders headlock him and sludden and won't let go till there's an all out melee. But I'm sure it will come back to haunt them ltr in the year as it always has
I'll call you out on the first bit of bullshit in that diatribe.It was a free out for Armagh for McShane touching the ball on the ground. Rian O'Neill took it when Gough got rid of the offenders. Don't let the facts get in the way of your crap.
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2022, 03:51:35 PM
That's more like the old Armagh. Mcshane wins a dubious free to put 3 in it and the 2 Armagh defenders headlock him and sludden and won't let go till there's an all out melee. But I'm sure it will come back to haunt them ltr in the year as it always has
It was a free for Armagh you tube. McShane handled on the ground.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 06, 2022, 03:58:02 PM
Ref hadn't a clue what to do so just decided to allocate red cards based on All Ireland titles.
This made me chuckle to be fair
Dunno how the red picked people out for the reds other than Hampsey. He had a clash with forker on the sideline just after the melee. I'm guessing that was what his red was for
Fantastic discipline from armagh to not get involved in the melee!!
I didn't see any red card offences from either team in that carry on. Getting someone in a headlock is now a red card offence.
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 06, 2022, 05:28:45 PM
I didn't see any red card offences from either team in that carry on. Getting someone in a headlock is now a red card offence.
I'd guess at number 5 in this list https://learning.gaa.ie/Rule_changes
If that is the case difficult to see how he didn't dish out more.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on February 05, 2022, 08:47:04 PM
It's important that if there's a strong breeze you play with it in the first half. Providing you win the toss.. Limerick, Galway and Kerry all played with the breeze in the first half and all had solid leads built up. Dublin are much better than tonight and will improve Kerry going full of the pipe.
Worked well this for Tyrone today ;)
Gough signalled for a free in at the start as mcshane was bundled over, after the melee and consultation with the umpires he overturned it. Rightly or wrongly is open to debate. One thing that seriously needs looked at was the constant fringing of head injury all day by Armagh. Og burns and especially Rory Grugan constantly lay down after being tackled and waited a few minutes until the ice pack done the trick. Grugan didn't even wait till being tackled and lay down as Armagh were taking a kickout. Worst thing was Gough fell far it all day
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2022, 05:39:20 PM
Gough signalled for a free in at the start as mcshane was bundled over, after the melee and consultation with the umpires he overturned it. Rightly or wrongly is open to debate. One thing that seriously needs looked at was the constant fringing of head injury all day by Armagh. Og burns and especially Rory Grugan constantly lay down after being tackled and waited a few minutes until the ice pack done the trick. Grugan didn't even wait till being tackled and lay down as Armagh were taking a kickout. Worst thing was Gough fell far it all day
Red gave a free for McShane touching it on the ground. And quit your nonsense about feigning injury. From a Tyrone person and all
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 06, 2022, 05:28:45 PM
I didn't see any red card offences from either team in that carry on. Getting someone in a headlock is now a red card offence.
It's not. But getting a player in a headlock and f**king him up against a fence is. Petey Harte on Jarly OG Burns. Video doing the rounds already. It'll hit your phone soon enough.
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2022, 05:39:20 PM
Gough signalled for a free in at the start as mcshane was bundled over, after the melee and consultation with the umpires he overturned it. Rightly or wrongly is open to debate. One thing that seriously needs looked at was the constant fringing of head injury all day by Armagh. Og burns and especially Rory Grugan constantly lay down after being tackled and waited a few minutes until the ice pack done the trick. Grugan didn't even wait till being tackled and lay down as Armagh were taking a kickout. Worst thing was Gough fell far it all day
Noticed that myself. Every other tackle saw an Armagh man rolling around holding his head. Gough didn't buy too much of it though, to be fair to him.
https://youtu.be/kNssFeS9pbQ absolutely nothing but a lot of hugging.
Amusing to see Tyrone trying to paint themselves as the victim. Regardless of who was to blame for the pulling at the end the game was over. Tyrone were niggling at Armagh the whole game especially Jarly Og Burns.
"Houl on houl on"
Obligatory woman roarin
This video ticks a few boxes
O'neill get Hampsey some roasting
Mckiernan fancy himself as a boxer or sthing, seems to be involved in any confrontation In any league game he plays in.
Quote from: clarshack on February 06, 2022, 04:10:28 PM
If this doesn't motivate Tyrone for the rest of the season then nothing will.
You seem a bit tetchy. Can't win them all you know.
Tyrone were dishing out plenty of it all match. Only a matter of time before they blew a gasket. Hampsey, McKernan, and a few others were walking a thin line before the melee.
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2022, 05:39:20 PM
Gough signalled for a free in at the start as mcshane was bundled over, after the melee and consultation with the umpires he overturned it. Rightly or wrongly is open to debate. One thing that seriously needs looked at was the constant fringing of head injury all day by Armagh. Og burns and especially Rory Grugan constantly lay down after being tackled and waited a few minutes until the ice pack done the trick. Grugan didn't even wait till being tackled and lay down as Armagh were taking a kickout. Worst thing was Gough fell far it all day
Hmmm. The irony.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 06, 2022, 04:43:10 PM
One would have to be excited about where Armagh are at now. They are a serious contender, not just for provincial honours, but for national honours also.
Yep, at this point I'm not too optimistic about our prospects in Ballybofey.
It's the league ffs, who cares.
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 06, 2022, 06:42:53 PM
It's the league ffs, who cares.
Me. I'm the grand scheme of things it may not matter but these wins will give us some believe and confidence and that can only be a good thing
Hopefully you Armagh men got tomorrow and Tuesday booked off work to recover from the homecoming tonight. Fair play on the win, and all, but the exuberant celebrations around the ground for a national league game in February was embarrassing, to say the least. You'd have sworn it was the all Ireland final for a lot of that match with the fist pumping, chanting and hugs being given out. Suppose it does give the locals a wee lift when they take two points off the All Ireland champs ;)
Not much to say about that ruck at the end. Over the top handbags and christ knows how Gough and his 'assistants' managed to place an 80% punishment on ourselves.
Armagh played great football in the first half. Hitting close to full potential in early February might be a concern if I was an orange man, though.
We'd need to buck up our ideas though and I dare say there'll be some heavy training done over the next two weeks in Garvaghey. Relegation 4 pointer in 2 weeks against Kildare in Omagh up next. We move on.
5 red cards seems madness, these referees are spoiling matches now throwing around cards like confetti and blowing frees for any contact.
Also thought the refereeing last night was very poor in Kerry Dublin match. Unfortunately a lot of umpires and linesmen don't help matters either if anything they are as bad if not worse.
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 06, 2022, 06:42:53 PM
It's the league ffs, who cares.
We heard the same from Tyrone ones in the McKenna cup when they were getting beaten. Now the league doesn't matter either.
Short season this year not much time to get a run together.
Some of Tyrone all stars looking anything but all stars in that game. Armagh do have dangerous looking forwards and a good Midfield. Be interesting to see if they can tighten up at the bck. Donegal still be favourites in Ballybofey. They rarely loose there. Maybe once to Tyrone, Derry and possible a qualifier Dublin or Mayo past 15yrs.
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 06, 2022, 06:48:24 PM
Hopefully you Armagh men got tomorrow and Tuesday booked off work to recover from the homecoming tonight. Fair play on the win, and all, but the exuberant celebrations around the ground for a national league game in February was embarrassing, to say the least. You'd have sworn it was the all Ireland final for a lot of that match with the fist pumping, chanting and hugs being given out. Suppose it does give the locals a wee lift when they take two points off the All Ireland champs ;)
Not much to say about that ruck at the end. Over the top handbags and christ knows how Gough and his 'assistants' managed to place an 80% punishment on ourselves.
Armagh played great football in the first half. Hitting close to full potential in early February might be a concern if I was an orange man, though.
We'd need to buck up our ideas though and I dare say there'll be some heavy training done over the next two weeks in Garvaghey. Relegation 4 pointer in 2 weeks against Kildare in Omagh up next. We move on.
Can you not let Armagh have their moment of glory...Don't be so mean. We just beat the All Ireland champions, like just let that sink in for a minute. You guys are the real deal and we beat you so we're gonna celebrate and you can't blame the hugging and fist pumping. Just let us party...
On a serious note though i didn't see much tbh that warranted 4 red cards, that's not to say the Ref and Umpires/Linesman didn't see a few sneaky punches but i was shocked when he flashed all those reds. Armagh have improved for sure but I am worried that we're peaking too soon and can't move up a few gears come the summer...But hey...who knows, we'll take the win and move on. One more win should keep us from relegation.
Tyrone badly lost their cool watching the game there. If the ref fired cards out like that ever week, it soon cut out all the shit that goes on. What happened the rule they had a few yrs ago where 3rd man into a 2man skirmish go send off?
Meyler lucky he didn't see the line either.
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2022, 03:51:35 PM
That's more like the old Armagh. Mcshane wins a dubious free to put 3 in it and the 2 Armagh defenders headlock him and sludden and won't let go till there's an all out melee. But I'm sure it will come back to haunt them ltr in the year as it always has
Embarrassing
He noted the neck rolls and cross referenced them with the yellow cards in his note book. Four reds, that's the way it goes. They'll all get off the hook, so just a bit of pantomime.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 06, 2022, 04:11:31 PM
Always a great day for Armagh when they send Tyrone home with their tails between their legs.
It must be a miracle day as it hasn't happened in years lol. In all seriousness I am happy that tyrone have had a few tough games and a bit of a hammering. It will help to focus their minds.
Armagh are looking good and can put up a real assault on ulster this year however like kerry I wouldn't be believing the hype as both sets of supporters seem to have done at the matches. Early Feb and aot of teams aren't up to speed yet.
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 06, 2022, 05:22:51 PM
Dunno how the red picked people out for the reds other than Hampsey. He had a clash with forker on the sideline just after the melee. I'm guessing that was what his red was for
It was more likely the kneeing of the Armagh man that got him red.
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2022, 05:39:20 PM
Gough signalled for a free in at the start as mcshane was bundled over, after the melee and consultation with the umpires he overturned it. Rightly or wrongly is open to debate. One thing that seriously needs looked at was the constant fringing of head injury all day by Armagh. Og burns and especially Rory Grugan constantly lay down after being tackled and waited a few minutes until the ice pack done the trick. Grugan didn't even wait till being tackled and lay down as Armagh were taking a kickout. Worst thing was Gough fell far it all day
No he didn't. He signalled a free out for McShane touching it on the ground. One of the very many bizarre decisions he made during the match. So it's not open to debate as it didn't happen.
Hard to see too much in any of the reds certainly too much to separate those from the others involved.
The Tyrone of 2021 were a sort of respected, almost likeable outfit. Good to see the snarling hateful hatefulness of previous versions returning in spades. Must be very short odds to retain Sam.
Didn't see much to merit that number of reds.
The done thing is for a ref to nail 1 or 2 from each team, especially in handbags situations. Have BBC News NI ran an extended bulletin on it yet? Hampsey to appear on Nolan in the morn?
Quote from: square_ball on February 06, 2022, 05:32:56 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 06, 2022, 05:28:45 PM
I didn't see any red card offences from either team in that carry on. Getting someone in a headlock is now a red card offence.
I'd guess at number 5 in this list https://learning.gaa.ie/Rule_changes
If that is the case difficult to see how he didn't dish out more.
If this is the new no-nonsense approach to eliminate the spectacle of the melee from the game, then the ref was given a good opportunity to demonstrate it starkly but without effecting the outcome of the game, which was already won and in added on time. I think the message was delivered.
Delighted that Armagh got the win, but that Tyrone performance was like a tractor trudging through bog, not the Ferrari we'll see come championship time.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 06, 2022, 06:56:15 PM
Some of Tyrone all stars looking anything but all stars in that game. Armagh do have dangerous looking forwards and a good Midfield. Be interesting to see if they can tighten up at the bck. Donegal still be favourites in Ballybofey. They rarely loose there. Maybe once to Tyrone, Derry and possible a qualifier Dublin or Mayo past 15yrs.
Down beat them in 2010 there
Spectacle of a melee?? Maybe if the majority just stayed where they were at and let the 3/4 player sort it out the. The ref book/send off accordingly. No need for any other man involved. Don't remember too many melees with the late 80's Meath team for obvious reasons. Think the fact players cope on that no one will openly thumb someone these days has lead more to confrontations not less.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 06, 2022, 07:25:18 PM
The Tyrone of 2021 were a sort of respected, almost likeable outfit. Good to see the snarling hateful hatefulness of previous versions returning in spades. Must be very short odds to retain Sam.
Didn't see much to merit that number of reds.
😂Must be difficult to watch other ulster teams winning and improving each year while Derry are still the whipping boys
Contributing to a melee
Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent. The headlock I thought was more of a choking tbh
Inflicting injury recklessly
All red cards and could have been more in fairness.
On the football, well done Armagh, getting better with every game. Other than scoring 21 yard frees what else does McShane bring to Tyrone?
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2022, 07:35:05 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 06, 2022, 07:25:18 PM
The Tyrone of 2021 were a sort of respected, almost likeable outfit. Good to see the snarling hateful hatefulness of previous versions returning in spades. Must be very short odds to retain Sam.
Didn't see much to merit that number of reds.
😂Must be difficult to watch other ulster teams winning and improving each year while Derry are still the whipping boys
That's not really true though. Only yourselves and arguably Armagh have noticeably improved more than ourselves in the past couple of years and we've returned to the dizzying heights of mediocrity.
Won't get near yourselves in this year's championship, but just happy we might avoid the tailteann cup.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2022, 07:39:54 PM
Contributing to a melee
Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent. The headlock I thought was more of a choking tbh
Inflicting injury recklessly
All red cards and could have been more in fairness.
On the football, well done Armagh, getting better with every game. Other than scoring 21 yard frees what else does McShane bring to Tyrone?
Bar scoring 2-8 from the bench in the semi final and final of an AI very little 😂😂
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2022, 07:39:54 PM
Contributing to a melee
Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent. The headlock I thought was more of a choking tbh
Inflicting injury recklessly
All red cards and could have been more in fairness.
On the football, well done Armagh, getting better with every game. Other than scoring 21 yard frees what else does McShane bring to Tyrone?
Mcgeary seems to have someone in a headlock which is akin to a mma choke hold. Extremely dangerous and deserving of a lengthy ban. Not sure why the others got sent off but the ref took his time and consulted with umpires and linesmen.
Great Play from the Armagh Boys today......thought the Ref gave Tyrone at least 6 easy frees in the 2nd half and yet Tyrone were fouling from their own half way line and getting off with it. Don't know what it would have taken for Kennedy the Midfielder or Meyler to see the line today. Just saw a clip of a video there and no wonder Petey Harte and McKernan both saw Red, Petey Harte's was of the most dangerous, holding Armagh player in a head lock whilst he had him on the ground with the player's back crushing into brick beside the bottom goals....highly dangerous play and he knew when he got up that he had injured the player. Then McKernan runs over after the Melee had ended and grabs Blaine Hughes in headlock and throws him to the ground. But anyway hope to see a full house again in 2 weeks time.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 06, 2022, 07:45:57 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2022, 07:35:05 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 06, 2022, 07:25:18 PM
The Tyrone of 2021 were a sort of respected, almost likeable outfit. Good to see the snarling hateful hatefulness of previous versions returning in spades. Must be very short odds to retain Sam.
Didn't see much to merit that number of reds.
😂Must be difficult to watch other ulster teams winning and improving each year while Derry are still the whipping boys
That's not really true though. Only yourselves and arguably Armagh have noticeably improved more than ourselves in the past couple of years and we've returned to the dizzying heights of mediocrity.
Won't get near yourselves in this year's championship, but just happy we might avoid the tailteann cup.
It was a wind up. Armagh and Derry are starting to look stronger than previous years. Donegal seem to have regressed a bit have the talent to make a mark. Tyrone needed that kicking to hopefully bring them back to earth. Ulster over the next 2-3 years should be very strong.
Who's the Armagh 13. In the video he has niall sludden in a headlock has hard has he can at the wire and young girl only a yard away staring at it. Surely a lengthy ban for that shit. Fair play to sludden for not endangering her.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2022, 07:39:54 PM
Contributing to a melee
Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent. The headlock I thought was more of a choking tbh
Inflicting injury recklessly
All red cards and could have been more in fairness.
On the football, well done Armagh, getting better with every game. Other than scoring 21 yard frees what else does McShane bring to Tyrone?
On that grounds Gough should have been the only man left on the pitch. The worst offence there was Armagh No. 3 putting his hands in Sluddens face as he was being choked. The rest of it was childsplay. Gough bottled it.
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2022, 07:53:38 PM
Who's the Armagh 13. In the video he has niall sludden in a headlock has hard has he can at the wire and young girl only a yard away staring at it. Surely a lengthy ban for that shit. Fair play to sludden for not endangering her.
Hampsey deserves a lengthy ban for his antics. Acts like a thug on the pitch.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2022, 07:49:21 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 06, 2022, 07:45:57 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2022, 07:35:05 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 06, 2022, 07:25:18 PM
The Tyrone of 2021 were a sort of respected, almost likeable outfit. Good to see the snarling hateful hatefulness of previous versions returning in spades. Must be very short odds to retain Sam.
Didn't see much to merit that number of reds.
😂Must be difficult to watch other ulster teams winning and improving each year while Derry are still the whipping boys
That's not really true though. Only yourselves and arguably Armagh have noticeably improved more than ourselves in the past couple of years and we've returned to the dizzying heights of mediocrity.
Won't get near yourselves in this year's championship, but just happy we might avoid the tailteann cup.
It was a wind up. Armagh and Derry are starting to look stronger than previous years. Donegal seem to have regressed a bit have the talent to make a mark. Tyrone needed that kicking to hopefully bring them back to earth. Ulster over the next 2-3 years should be very strong.
I'm not sure we'll reach the level of those three or Monaghan. Not convinced Armagh will bridge the gap, because they're much further down the 2022 road than most of the other div 1 teams. Would agree about Donegal and add Monaghan to that. Cavan are in a false position, as they were when they won ulster in 2020. There may be other counties in Ulster, but definitely second tier fodder.
In short, there may be a competitive ulster championship with a few surprises, but realistically the only team likely to be competing at the business end is Tyrone.
When you watch David Clifford yesterday in the Dublin vs Kerry game who tried to pull John Small (I think it was) shirt over his head, this was way worse and only got a yellow card. The red cards were very silly.
Monaghan simply don't like playing teams that can match them physically it seems.
Think if u actually watch it again 2 men were holding on to Clifford and he was trying to throw them off, the fact that Small has a all Ireland medal amazes me, no fball in him at all, king of the border line cheap shot.
Hates offence was the biggest and should not be let of his red card. He had the Armagh man in a very dangerous headlock against the wire/wall. Knew excately what he was doing. Situation got dangerous with all the players piling into this area of the field.
Quote from: mup on February 06, 2022, 08:00:12 PM
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Who's the Armagh 13. In the video he has niall sludden in a headlock has hard has he can at the wire and young girl only a yard away staring at it. Surely a lengthy ban for that shit. Fair play to sludden for not endangering her.
Hampsey deserves a lengthy ban for his antics. Acts like a thug on the pitch.
For me Harte deserves a lengthy ban
His actions pulling burns down like that were despicable .
Quote from: mup on February 06, 2022, 08:00:12 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2022, 07:53:38 PM
Who's the Armagh 13. In the video he has niall sludden in a headlock has hard has he can at the wire and young girl only a yard away staring at it. Surely a lengthy ban for that shit. Fair play to sludden for not endangering her.
Hampsey deserves a lengthy ban for his antics. Acts like a thug on the pitch.
A bit like Ben McCormack on Gavin Whyte last week?
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on February 06, 2022, 08:05:18 PM
When you watch David Clifford yesterday in the Dublin vs Kerry game who tried to pull John Small (I think it was) shirt over his head, this was way worse and only got a yellow card. The red cards were very silly.
David done nothing wrong. Was standing up for himself and laying down a marker.
If that's the bar for a red card now then fair enough, but the armagh 13 and 3 both have to go then as well. To send off 4 Tyrone and 1 armagh for that incident was farcical. It's not exaggeration to say a different referee would have showed a couple of yellows and nothing else.
Christ, can we siphon off the Tyrone and Armagh whingers into a dedicated thread, or better still, a dedicated forum altogether!?
Quote from: trileacman on February 05, 2022, 07:30:24 PM
The Kerry fans shouting "you fat bastard" at every Dublin lockout need to f**k off back to England.
Kerry fans are the salt of the earth.
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2022, 07:53:38 PM
Who's the Armagh 13. In the video he has niall sludden in a headlock has hard has he can at the wire and young girl only a yard away staring at it. Surely a lengthy ban for that shit. Fair play to sludden for not endangering her.
Aiden Nugent. And you have no idea how hard that headlock was. He got booked as a result of the melee
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Who's the Armagh 13. In the video he has niall sludden in a headlock has hard has he can at the wire and young girl only a yard away staring at it. Surely a lengthy ban for that shit. Fair play to sludden for not endangering her.
Hampsey deserves a lengthy ban for his antics. Acts like a thug on the pitch.
A bit like Ben McCormack on Gavin Whyte last week?
Did Ben McCormack knee Gavin Whyte on purpose?
Silly comparison.
Given the shorter season Tyrone definitely seem to be behind where you would like to see them at the minute. Winning can become a habit and it can be hard to hit a switch and turn it on.
That said Armagh good value for their win. Performance and desire all there and if they can fine tune things and get couple of the returning players up to speed then they will absolutely be in the reckoning for Ulster unfortunately.
Think the melee will distract from the above. IMO the ref made a meal of it. Don't think there was any need for 5 reds. Not PC to say these days but always enjoy it when there's a bit of bite in the game. That intensity has been missing from Tyrone Armagh games for a while and great to see it back.
2 wins from 2, and that's without Oisin O'Neill, Murnin & Turbitt getting a single minute to date. Strongest squad by far in McGeeney's tenure.
Armagh 40/1 with my bookie (Victor) for the AI. Had to throw a fiver on that. Unlikely they'll win but no way is 40/1 a reflection of how close they are.
Armagh have barely won a game in Ulster under McGeeney. They are doing well but in the 8th year of McGeeneys reign they would want to be
Worst thing about today in Athletic Grounds was Jarlath Burns and then Rory Grugan lying down feigning injury........all 6 officials saw it for what it was.........pure soccer shite!
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Who's the Armagh 13. In the video he has niall sludden in a headlock has hard has he can at the wire and young girl only a yard away staring at it. Surely a lengthy ban for that shit. Fair play to sludden for not endangering her.
Hampsey deserves a lengthy ban for his antics. Acts like a thug on the pitch.
For me Harte deserves a lengthy ban
His actions pulling burns down like that were despicable .
Did you watch the clip. Burns was running straight towards him and I doubt it was to be petey a big hug. Burns spent most of the game on his arse holding his head at every chance. He acts like the hard man when the game is all but over.
Tyrone got back to within 5 points with over 6 mins to go, who did the row benefit the most?
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Who's the Armagh 13. In the video he has niall sludden in a headlock has hard has he can at the wire and young girl only a yard away staring at it. Surely a lengthy ban for that shit. Fair play to sludden for not endangering her.
Hampsey deserves a lengthy ban for his antics. Acts like a thug on the pitch.
For me Harte deserves a lengthy ban
His actions pulling burns down like that were despicable .
Did you watch the clip. Burns was running straight towards him and I doubt it was to be petey a big hug. Burns spent most of the game on his arse holding his head at every chance. He acts like the hard man when the game is all but over.
Tyrone got back to within 5 points with over 6 mins to go, who did the row benefit the most?
Get a grip. Burns was unstoppable today but Tyrone had to resort to underhanded tactics to try and take him out.
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Who's the Armagh 13. In the video he has niall sludden in a headlock has hard has he can at the wire and young girl only a yard away staring at it. Surely a lengthy ban for that shit. Fair play to sludden for not endangering her.
Hampsey deserves a lengthy ban for his antics. Acts like a thug on the pitch.
For me Harte deserves a lengthy ban
His actions pulling burns down like that were despicable .
Did you watch the clip. Burns was running straight towards him and I doubt it was to be petey a big hug. Burns spent most of the game on his arse holding his head at every chance. He acts like the hard man when the game is all but over.
Tyrone got back to within 5 points with over 6 mins to go, who did the row benefit the most?
Get a grip. Burns was unstoppable today but Tyrone had to resort to underhanded tactics to try and take him out.
So what was he running directly at petey for then? 2 good games in 5 years and armagh are the next dublin🙄
Anyone talking about Armagh as AI contenders needs help.
Quote from: The Trap on February 06, 2022, 09:35:04 PM
Worst thing about today in Athletic Grounds was Jarlath Burns and then Rory Grugan lying down feigning injury........all 6 officials saw it for what it was.........pure soccer shite!
And another one. Deary me
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Who's the Armagh 13. In the video he has niall sludden in a headlock has hard has he can at the wire and young girl only a yard away staring at it. Surely a lengthy ban for that shit. Fair play to sludden for not endangering her.
Hampsey deserves a lengthy ban for his antics. Acts like a thug on the pitch.
For me Harte deserves a lengthy ban
His actions pulling burns down like that were despicable .
Did you watch the clip. Burns was running straight towards him and I doubt it was to be petey a big hug. Burns spent most of the game on his arse holding his head at every chance. He acts like the hard man when the game is all but over.
Tyrone got back to within 5 points with over 6 mins to go, who did the row benefit the most?
He may not have watched the clip but you clearly didn't watch the game if that's your take on Burns today
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Who's the Armagh 13. In the video he has niall sludden in a headlock has hard has he can at the wire and young girl only a yard away staring at it. Surely a lengthy ban for that shit. Fair play to sludden for not endangering her.
Hampsey deserves a lengthy ban for his antics. Acts like a thug on the pitch.
For me Harte deserves a lengthy ban
His actions pulling burns down like that were despicable .
Did you watch the clip. Burns was running straight towards him and I doubt it was to be petey a big hug. Burns spent most of the game on his arse holding his head at every chance. He acts like the hard man when the game is all but over.
Tyrone got back to within 5 points with over 6 mins to go, who did the row benefit the most?
Get a grip. Burns was unstoppable today but Tyrone had to resort to underhanded tactics to try and take him out.
So what was he running directly at petey for then? 2 good games in 5 years and armagh are the next dublin🙄
Show me the clip you are talking about. And where did I say Armagh are the next Dublin - it wasn't said, so why are you making things up?
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 06, 2022, 09:06:12 PM
Given the shorter season Tyrone definitely seem to be behind where you would like to see them at the minute. Winning can become a habit and it can be hard to hit a switch and turn it on.
That said Armagh good value for their win. Performance and desire all there and if they can fine tune things and get couple of the returning players up to speed then they will absolutely be in the reckoning for Ulster unfortunately.
Think the melee will distract from the above. IMO the ref made a meal of it. Don't think there was any need for 5 reds. Not PC to say these days but always enjoy it when there's a bit of bite in the game. That intensity has been missing from Tyrone Armagh games for a while and great to see it back.
Intensity is fine, but these all-in melees are a joke.
As are the performative pushing and shoving that seem to be a feature of every interaction between players from all teams these days.
Some lad is passing you in the pitch? Well sure give him a shove for no particular reason whatsoever.
Just f**king get on with the game, act respectfully and spare us the histrionic hard man bullshit.
Majority lads send off can blame themselves, no need for any players running into that.
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Who's the Armagh 13. In the video he has niall sludden in a headlock has hard has he can at the wire and young girl only a yard away staring at it. Surely a lengthy ban for that shit. Fair play to sludden for not endangering her.
Hampsey deserves a lengthy ban for his antics. Acts like a thug on the pitch.
For me Harte deserves a lengthy ban
His actions pulling burns down like that were despicable .
Did you watch the clip. Burns was running straight towards him and I doubt it was to be petey a big hug. Burns spent most of the game on his arse holding his head at every chance. He acts like the hard man when the game is all but over.
Tyrone got back to within 5 points with over 6 mins to go, who did the row benefit the most?
Get a grip. Burns was unstoppable today but Tyrone had to resort to underhanded tactics to try and take him out.
So what was he running directly at petey for then? 2 good games in 5 years and armagh are the next dublin🙄
Show me the clip you are talking about. And where did I say Armagh are the next Dublin - it wasn't said, so why are you making things up?
https://twitter.com/begorabejaysus/status/1490385100722384896?t=ALWEjHfMzKoHrbKCFS8TfQ&s=19
Burns coming towards petey and sudden getting choked from behind against the rails.
Handbag stuff not worth 5 red cards.
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Who's the Armagh 13. In the video he has niall sludden in a headlock has hard has he can at the wire and young girl only a yard away staring at it. Surely a lengthy ban for that shit. Fair play to sludden for not endangering her.
Hampsey deserves a lengthy ban for his antics. Acts like a thug on the pitch.
For me Harte deserves a lengthy ban
His actions pulling burns down like that were despicable .
Did you watch the clip. Burns was running straight towards him and I doubt it was to be petey a big hug. Burns spent most of the game on his arse holding his head at every chance. He acts like the hard man when the game is all but over.
Tyrone got back to within 5 points with over 6 mins to go, who did the row benefit the most?
Get a grip. Burns was unstoppable today but Tyrone had to resort to underhanded tactics to try and take him out.
So what was he running directly at petey for then? 2 good games in 5 years and armagh are the next dublin🙄
Show me the clip you are talking about. And where did I say Armagh are the next Dublin - it wasn't said, so why are you making things up?
https://twitter.com/begorabejaysus/status/1490385100722384896?t=ALWEjHfMzKoHrbKCFS8TfQ&s=19
Burns coming towards petey and sudden getting choked from behind against the rails.
Handbag stuff not worth 5 red cards.
Comes running. LOL
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Who's the Armagh 13. In the video he has niall sludden in a headlock has hard has he can at the wire and young girl only a yard away staring at it. Surely a lengthy ban for that shit. Fair play to sludden for not endangering her.
Hampsey deserves a lengthy ban for his antics. Acts like a thug on the pitch.
For me Harte deserves a lengthy ban
His actions pulling burns down like that were despicable .
Did you watch the clip. Burns was running straight towards him and I doubt it was to be petey a big hug. Burns spent most of the game on his arse holding his head at every chance. He acts like the hard man when the game is all but over.
Tyrone got back to within 5 points with over 6 mins to go, who did the row benefit the most?
Get a grip. Burns was unstoppable today but Tyrone had to resort to underhanded tactics to try and take him out.
So what was he running directly at petey for then? 2 good games in 5 years and armagh are the next dublin🙄
Show me the clip you are talking about. And where did I say Armagh are the next Dublin - it wasn't said, so why are you making things up?
https://twitter.com/begorabejaysus/status/1490385100722384896?t=ALWEjHfMzKoHrbKCFS8TfQ&s=19
Burns coming towards petey and sudden getting choked from behind against the rails.
Handbag stuff not worth 5 red cards.
Comes running. LOL
Context. 3 players around mcshane burns comes in thenpetey headlock him
https://twitter.com/SportTG4/status/1490403145855475716?t=XVmnJD_kVsLs5-dfQygJTg&s=19
Also assume you missed the punch by the armagh keeper at 6 seconds
You're missing the part where burns was already there and Harte pushes him over. Not hard to see in the video you so kindly posted.
And at 6 seconds Hughes is standing on his line with nobody near him. Who exactly did he punch?
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Who's the Armagh 13. In the video he has niall sludden in a headlock has hard has he can at the wire and young girl only a yard away staring at it. Surely a lengthy ban for that shit. Fair play to sludden for not endangering her.
Hampsey deserves a lengthy ban for his antics. Acts like a thug on the pitch.
For me Harte deserves a lengthy ban
His actions pulling burns down like that were despicable .
Did you watch the clip. Burns was running straight towards him and I doubt it was to be petey a big hug. Burns spent most of the game on his arse holding his head at every chance. He acts like the hard man when the game is all but over.
Tyrone got back to within 5 points with over 6 mins to go, who did the row benefit the most?
Get a grip. Burns was unstoppable today but Tyrone had to resort to underhanded tactics to try and take him out.
So what was he running directly at petey for then? 2 good games in 5 years and armagh are the next dublin
Show me the clip you are talking about. And where did I say Armagh are the next Dublin - it wasn't said, so why are you making things up?
https://twitter.com/begorabejaysus/status/1490385100722384896?t=ALWEjHfMzKoHrbKCFS8TfQ&s=19
Burns coming towards petey and sudden getting choked from behind against the rails.
Handbag stuff not worth 5 red cards.
I watched the clip and I have the game recorded. Burns walks towards Harte with his arms out open (as if to say what the f**k are you doing) and Harte tries to get Burns into a headlock and do a hip throw on him but he cannot lift Burns. Then a scuffle between them breaks out. That is what the video shows. What the TG4 coverage shows moments before Burns approached Harte was Harte shoving Burns to the floor as he was bending over to get the ball or something. Then Burns approached Harte and from there you see the footage. In fact, at the very start of the video, you can see Burns getting back up onto his feet.
If you insist that didn't happen, I will upload the video of the melee and point it out to you just to prove you are talking complete bollocks.
As for the Nugent incident, nothing cynical was going on. You could see Nugent pulling Sludden away from the Melee and Nugent with his arm around his neck had him pinned up against the barrier. Going by how Sludden reacted afterwards he didn't lash out or shove Nugent after - and yes I could be biased here and would think Nugent was keeping the Melee from spilling over. Players had to be pulled out of it somehow.
I will watch the rest of the Melee to see what the other Tyrone players did but believe me Harte was worth his Red card.
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Who's the Armagh 13. In the video he has niall sludden in a headlock has hard has he can at the wire and young girl only a yard away staring at it. Surely a lengthy ban for that shit. Fair play to sludden for not endangering her.
Hampsey deserves a lengthy ban for his antics. Acts like a thug on the pitch.
For me Harte deserves a lengthy ban
His actions pulling burns down like that were despicable .
Did you watch the clip. Burns was running straight towards him and I doubt it was to be petey a big hug. Burns spent most of the game on his arse holding his head at every chance. He acts like the hard man when the game is all but over.
Tyrone got back to within 5 points with over 6 mins to go, who did the row benefit the most?
Get a grip. Burns was unstoppable today but Tyrone had to resort to underhanded tactics to try and take him out.
So what was he running directly at petey for then? 2 good games in 5 years and armagh are the next dublin🙄
Show me the clip you are talking about. And where did I say Armagh are the next Dublin - it wasn't said, so why are you making things up?
https://twitter.com/begorabejaysus/status/1490385100722384896?t=ALWEjHfMzKoHrbKCFS8TfQ&s=19
Burns coming towards petey and sudden getting choked from behind against the rails.
Handbag stuff not worth 5 red cards.
I watched the clip and I have the game recorded. Burns walks towards Harte with his arms out open and Harte tries to get Burns into a headlock and do a hip throw on him but he cannot lift Burns. Then a scuffle between them breaks out. That is what the video shows. What the TG4 coverage shows moments before Burns approached Harte was Harte shoving Burns to the floor as he was bending over to get the ball or something. Then Burns approached Harte and from there you see the footage. In fact, at the very start of the video, you can see Burns getting back up onto his feet.
As for the Nugent incident, nothing cynical was going on. You could see Nugent pulling Sludden away from the Melee and Nugent with his arm around his neck had him pinned up against the barrier. Going by how Sludden reacted afterwards he didn't lash out or shove Nugent after - and yes I could be biased here and would think Nugent was keeping the Melee from spilling over. Players had to be pulled out of it somehow.
I will watch the rest of the Melee to see what the other Tyrone players did but believe me Harte was worth his Red card.
I am looking forward to your analysis of the other four red cards and any other incidents that may have merited censure.
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Armagh 40/1 with my bookie (Victor) for the AI. Had to throw a fiver on that. Unlikely they'll win but no way is 40/1 a reflection of how close they are.
Away to Donegal first round tho, highly likely we're in the qualifiers from the get go. Might do us no harm tho, avoiding the province of death.
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Given the shorter season Tyrone definitely seem to be behind where you would like to see them at the minute. Winning can become a habit and it can be hard to hit a switch and turn it on.
That said Armagh good value for their win. Performance and desire all there and if they can fine tune things and get couple of the returning players up to speed then they will absolutely be in the reckoning for Ulster unfortunately.
Think the melee will distract from the above. IMO the ref made a meal of it. Don't think there was any need for 5 reds. Not PC to say these days but always enjoy it when there's a bit of bite in the game. That intensity has been missing from Tyrone Armagh games for a while and great to see it back.
Intensity is fine, but these all-in melees are a joke.
As are the performative pushing and shoving that seem to be a feature of every interaction between players from all teams these days.
Some lad is passing you in the pitch? Well sure give him a shove for no particular reason whatsoever.
Just f**king get on with the game, act respectfully and spare us the histrionic hard man bullshit.
Each to their own. It's impossible to play right on the wire with intensity without it going over sometimes especially in a contact game like gaa. Id rather see a melee like that than the diving crap.
I'd rather a game verged on the edge of being overly physical than being too sterile.
From that footage there now, McGeary and Harte cards def stick.
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Who's the Armagh 13. In the video he has niall sludden in a headlock has hard has he can at the wire and young girl only a yard away staring at it. Surely a lengthy ban for that shit. Fair play to sludden for not endangering her.
Hampsey deserves a lengthy ban for his antics. Acts like a thug on the pitch.
For me Harte deserves a lengthy ban
His actions pulling burns down like that were despicable .
Did you watch the clip. Burns was running straight towards him and I doubt it was to be petey a big hug. Burns spent most of the game on his arse holding his head at every chance. He acts like the hard man when the game is all but over.
Tyrone got back to within 5 points with over 6 mins to go, who did the row benefit the most?
Get a grip. Burns was unstoppable today but Tyrone had to resort to underhanded tactics to try and take him out.
So what was he running directly at petey for then? 2 good games in 5 years and armagh are the next dublin
Show me the clip you are talking about. And where did I say Armagh are the next Dublin - it wasn't said, so why are you making things up?
https://twitter.com/begorabejaysus/status/1490385100722384896?t=ALWEjHfMzKoHrbKCFS8TfQ&s=19
Burns coming towards petey and sudden getting choked from behind against the rails.
Handbag stuff not worth 5 red cards.
I watched the clip and I have the game recorded. Burns walks towards Harte with his arms out open (as if to say what the f**k are you doing) and Harte tries to get Burns into a headlock and do a hip throw on him but he cannot lift Burns. Then a scuffle between them breaks out. That is what the video shows. What the TG4 coverage shows moments before Burns approached Harte was Harte shoving Burns to the floor as he was bending over to get the ball or something. Then Burns approached Harte and from there you see the footage. In fact, at the very start of the video, you can see Burns getting back up onto his feet.
If you insist that didn't happen, I will upload the video of the melee and point it out to you just to prove you are talking complete bollocks.
As for the Nugent incident, nothing cynical was going on. You could see Nugent pulling Sludden away from the Melee and Nugent with his arm around his neck had him pinned up against the barrier. Going by how Sludden reacted afterwards he didn't lash out or shove Nugent after - and yes I could be biased here and would think Nugent was keeping the Melee from spilling over. Players had to be pulled out of it somehow.
I will watch the rest of the Melee to see what the other Tyrone players did but believe me Harte was worth his Red card.
Christ of almighty ;D ;D
Eamonn Fitzmaurice on Allianz league Sunday - "you might see 1 or 2 unlucky fellas gets fingered"
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Tyrone gonna Tyrone!!!
Did you see it?
Why would I have to anyone who's followed football knows what Tyrone are like!
WhatsApp through that 4 Tyrone men had got the line. 3 of them were handy guesses, Harte not so
Re the scrap at the end. It's an irrelevance really. The game was over. It didn't make a difference. It just takes away from what was an excellent Armagh performance, especially in the first half.
5 players red carded and I don't know how 4 Tyrone were picked out and only one of ours. From what I saw the two I thought were guaranteed to walk didn't.
We were very good first half. Yea it's only February and yes we are further ahead of Tyrone in our prep but we can only play what's in front of us. Second half I felt we sat back too much and allowed Tyrone on to us more. In fairness they pushed up a lot more also. We still have a lot to work on. Bottom line is we look decent and probably one win away from another year in division one which is vital for this teams development. Happy with that.
Donegal i the first round of the championship will be a different matter but I will worry about that at a later date
The most dangerous act in that whole melee was Nugent on Sludden...whoever above felt it was to keep him out of the ruckus needs his head examined. I was right beside it and he'd Sludden completely exposed and struggling to breathe. There's a photo on twitter let me find it.
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Given the shorter season Tyrone definitely seem to be behind where you would like to see them at the minute. Winning can become a habit and it can be hard to hit a switch and turn it on.
That said Armagh good value for their win. Performance and desire all there and if they can fine tune things and get couple of the returning players up to speed then they will absolutely be in the reckoning for Ulster unfortunately.
Think the melee will distract from the above. IMO the ref made a meal of it. Don't think there was any need for 5 reds. Not PC to say these days but always enjoy it when there's a bit of bite in the game. That intensity has been missing from Tyrone Armagh games for a while and great to see it back.
Intensity is fine, but these all-in melees are a joke.
As are the performative pushing and shoving that seem to be a feature of every interaction between players from all teams these days.
Some lad is passing you in the pitch? Well sure give him a shove for no particular reason whatsoever.
Just f**king get on with the game, act respectfully and spare us the histrionic hard man bullshit.
Each to their own. It's impossible to play right on the wire with intensity without it going over sometimes especially in a contact game like gaa. Id rather see a melee like that than the diving crap.
I'd rather a game verged on the edge of being overly physical than being too sterile.
You can have hard hits and shoulders and physicality without the petty, nasty, spiteful cowardly shit which is now a routine part of the game. It's just a sport. Why this atmosphere exists in Gaelic football where you to be throwing pointless digs and shoving your opponent for no reason is beyond me. It wasn't that way when I played it in my youth.
Personally I'd be perfectly happy to see cards regularly dished out for it and team bans for the melees.
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Did Fitzmaurice actually try to compare it to the Meath v Mayo melee in 96? Now that was a proper punch up. O'Rourke seemed content as well that 4 Tyrone players were lined.
You forget the part of lying down trying to get players send off also.
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The Tyrone of 2021 were a sort of respected, almost likeable outfit. Good to see the snarling hateful hatefulness of previous versions returning in spades. Must be very short odds to retain Sam.
Didn't see much to merit that number of reds.
😂Must be difficult to watch other ulster teams winning and improving each year while Derry are still the whipping boys
One of the great posts... Sure its only league after all ;D
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Given the shorter season Tyrone definitely seem to be behind where you would like to see them at the minute. Winning can become a habit and it can be hard to hit a switch and turn it on.
That said Armagh good value for their win. Performance and desire all there and if they can fine tune things and get couple of the returning players up to speed then they will absolutely be in the reckoning for Ulster unfortunately.
Think the melee will distract from the above. IMO the ref made a meal of it. Don't think there was any need for 5 reds. Not PC to say these days but always enjoy it when there's a bit of bite in the game. That intensity has been missing from Tyrone Armagh games for a while and great to see it back.
Intensity is fine, but these all-in melees are a joke.
As are the performative pushing and shoving that seem to be a feature of every interaction between players from all teams these days.
Some lad is passing you in the pitch? Well sure give him a shove for no particular reason whatsoever.
Just f**king get on with the game, act respectfully and spare us the histrionic hard man bullshit.
Each to their own. It's impossible to play right on the wire with intensity without it going over sometimes especially in a contact game like gaa. Id rather see a melee like that than the diving crap.
I'd rather a game verged on the edge of being overly physical than being too sterile.
You can have hard hits and shoulders and physicality without the petty, nasty, spiteful cowardly shit which is now a routine part of the game. It's just a sport. Why this atmosphere exists in Gaelic football where you to be throwing pointless digs and shoving your opponent for no reason is beyond me. It wasn't that way when I played it in my youth.
Personally I'd be perfectly happy to see cards regularly dished out for it and team bans for the melees.
As I said each to their own. I've no issue with a bit of dunting and rather that than the diving that seems to follow games where refs over officiate and every physical hit is a free. Just my opinion.
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 06, 2022, 10:48:09 PM
The most dangerous act in that whole melee was Nugent on Sludden...whoever above felt it was to keep him out of the ruckus needs his head examined. I was right beside it and he'd Sludden completely exposed and struggling to breathe. There's a photo on twitter let me find it.
Please do. I know what image it is.
And while you are doing that I will move on to the McGeary Red card.
McGeary swing a lad round on a headlock, clearly see it in the highlights.
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The most dangerous act in that whole melee was Nugent on Sludden...whoever above felt it was to keep him out of the ruckus needs his head examined. I was right beside it and he'd Sludden completely exposed and struggling to breathe. There's a photo on twitter let me find it.
The Gaa must come down heavy on this. It could have ended very badly for sludden. He had his hands up in there clearly not wanting to engage but the Armagh player wouldn't release his grip at all. When a player is struggling to breath like that it's frightening.
There is absolutely no comparison to Mayo vs Meath than what we seen today absolutely zilch. That was before Western men were feminized lol
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The most dangerous act in that whole melee was Nugent on Sludden...whoever above felt it was to keep him out of the ruckus needs his head examined. I was right beside it and he'd Sludden completely exposed and struggling to breathe. There's a photo on twitter let me find it.
The Gaa must come down heavy on this. It could have ended very badly for sludden. He had his hands up in there clearly not wanting to engage but the Armagh player wouldn't release his grip at all. When a player is struggling to breath like that it's frightening.
This the photo with Nugent, Sludden smiling at the teenage girl who is smiling back? Horrific alrite. ::)
Reading references to Armagh talking up their AI chances or treating this victory as an AI. What is that actually based on?
As for the melee the Harte and McGeary reds are nailed on. Not sure about the rest but the ref and his team saw what they saw.
Some joker earlier claiming it was a free in to Tyrone that got reversed and that there were 4 points between them at that stage. None of that is true. Just objectively not true.
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Some joker earlier claiming it was a free in to Tyrone that got reversed and that there were 4 points between them at that stage. None of that is true. Just objectively not true.
Redzone appears to have been watching a completely different match to the rest of us.
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Reading references to Armagh talking up their AI chances or treating this victory as an AI. What is that actually based on?
As for the melee the Harte and McGeary reds are nailed on. Not sure about the rest but the ref and his team saw what they saw.
Some joker earlier claiming it was a free in to Tyrone that got reversed and that there were 4 points between them at that stage. None of that is true. Just objectively not true.
Where has this been said?
McKernan and Hampsey were already on yellows. If they step one inch into that melee then they are fair game for a red. Stupid.
Referee should have brandished the yellows then and then the reds whish didn't happen?
BTW, in reference to the earlier comment about Nugent being a good samaratin....
https://twitter.com/fredrmolloy/status/1490377202751483910?t=t4n_LcxWfRVUrBPtdHdrLQ&s=19
Cool pic of Sludden giving that girl the thumbs up. Looks like she appreciates it
I'll tell you something for nothing, if the Ulster Champioship isn't tough enough, this year, it will be akin to running through a landmine field and hoping to God you see the otherside. Plus looking at the Massive attendance today it will definitely be another final in Croke Park. Great days ahead of us.
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Referee should have brandished the yellows then and then the reds whish didn't happen?
That's correct, I'm just highlighting they were foolish to go anywhere near what was going on. Lack of craft.
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BTW, in reference to the earlier comment about Nugent being a good samaratin....
https://twitter.com/fredrmolloy/status/1490377202751483910?t=t4n_LcxWfRVUrBPtdHdrLQ&s=19
Photo.caption " don't you dare look at my wee sister again ye hoor ye'. Lol
A lot of chat about Armagh's conditioning and being ahead of the others, probably a fair bit of truth to that, but I think Armagh supporters would be far more impressed by the huge improvement in team organisation, game management and composure on the ball. Fitness is only a small part of this seemingly big improvement. But we will lose pretty soon, very possibly to Monaghan, which will burst the hype.
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BTW, in reference to the earlier comment about Nugent being a good samaratin....
https://twitter.com/fredrmolloy/status/1490377202751483910?t=t4n_LcxWfRVUrBPtdHdrLQ&s=19
So you are using an image that depicts 1/2000th of a second of an incident that happened over a number of seconds to tell the forum that Nugent tried to choke Sludden. Oh and while he was trying to do that, there was a woman looking at him in the face smiling while he was doing it.
There are a number of instances where an image can be used to make something look worse than it actually is...this for example...
https://ibb.co/p4whyS6 (https://ibb.co/p4whyS6)
Volume of posts says this game deserves a thread of its own.
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Reading references to Armagh talking up their AI chances or treating this victory as an AI. What is that actually based on?
As for the melee the Harte and McGeary reds are nailed on. Not sure about the rest but the ref and his team saw what they saw.
Some joker earlier claiming it was a free in to Tyrone that got reversed and that there were 4 points between them at that stage. None of that is true. Just objectively not true.
How is that not a free to tyrone.
https://twitter.com/SportTG4/status/1490403145855475716?t=XVmnJD_kVsLs5-dfQygJTg&s=19
McShane never touched the ball on the ground.
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Reading references to Armagh talking up their AI chances or treating this victory as an AI. What is that actually based on?
As for the melee the Harte and McGeary reds are nailed on. Not sure about the rest but the ref and his team saw what they saw.
Some joker earlier claiming it was a free in to Tyrone that got reversed and that there were 4 points between them at that stage. None of that is true. Just objectively not true.
How is that not a free to tyrone.
https://twitter.com/SportTG4/status/1490403145855475716?t=XVmnJD_kVsLs5-dfQygJTg&s=19
McShane never touched the ball on the ground.
He probably blew for McShane pulling him down? Either way he blew and gave a free out, you can't reverse a free, even if he made a mistake
McShane had his arm round the Armagh boy's neck...
I hadn't seen that before. It is hard to understand the volume of red cards.
It would be great if Armagh could use this as a springboard to add to their Sam collection. Watching Throne win their 4th last year must have stuck in the craw.
They don't even bother filming the return of the cup to the county.
And Armagh were the first of the 2 stragglers to do the business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwv2B4W9brk&t=236s
It is far too early to be talking about Armagh and Sam. I'd love to see them win it but ultimately it's league football. They need a few wins under their belt in the championship.
So many talking points.
I have no issue with referees giving red cards for contributing to a melee or dangerous play - but it has to be consistent.
McKiernan should have no complaints - ran 50 yards to get involved.
Armagh number 3 & number 13 should definitely have walked.
Some dangerous tackles during the game as well - McShane got done in the first half (think Armagh #7) who jumped into him with an elbow without even looking at the ball.
We need to get up to pace - very pedestrian like in the first half - could have conceded 4 goals.
The next game in 2 weeks will show if we are on the right path
Fearon woud be some craic if he was around. ;D
All of the debate around the 'melee' should not detract from the fact that it had no bearing on the outcome of the game. It was a done deal long before this, Tyrone needed goals and they never looked like getting one yesterday. Best team by far on the day won convincingly.
It's funny how people outside of Armagh are the ones referencing All Ireland contenders .... no one in Armagh is suggesting anything as such ... a win in Jan, and another in first week in Feb just confirm that Armagh are ahead of the pack 'at present'. April - Jul is where it will count. Monaghan will relish the chance to inflict Armagh's first defeat in a couple of weeks time.
As mentioned before above, it's not Armagh's conditioning that is the most apparent to me, it's their new found composure on the ball and decision making. Even last year, Armagh would rush to take a shot when the shot was not really on, this year they're happy to recycle and only take it on when there's a good chance that it is. There's been a marked improvement in defence as well. Two swallows don't make a summer but for now, we look forward to securing Div. 1 status for another year which is essential for this group of players.
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So many talking points.
I have no issue with referees giving red cards for contributing to a melee or dangerous play - but it has to be consistent.
McKiernan should have no complaints - ran 50 yards to get involved.
Armagh number 3 & number 13 should definitely have walked.
Some dangerous tackles during the game as well - McShane got done in the first half (think Armagh #7) who jumped into him with an elbow without even looking at the ball.
We need to get up to pace - very pedestrian like in the first half - could have conceded 4 goals.
The next game in 2 weeks will show if we are on the right path
That was Makin. No5. And you were right. I was so angry at him too. There were enough defenders there to deal with it
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All of the debate around the 'melee' should not detract from the fact that it had no bearing on the outcome of the game. It was a done deal long before this, Tyrone needed goals and they never looked like getting one yesterday. Best team by far on the day won convincingly.
It's funny how people outside of Armagh are the ones referencing All Ireland contenders .... no one in Armagh is suggesting anything as such ... a win in Jan, and another in first week in Feb just confirm that Armagh are ahead of the pack 'at present'. April - Jul is where it will count. Monaghan will relish the chance to inflict Armagh's first defeat in a couple of weeks time.
As mentioned before above, it's not Armagh's conditioning that is the most apparent to me, it's their new found composure on the ball and decision making. Even last year, Armagh would rush to take a shot when the shot was not really on, this year they're happy to recycle and only take it on when there's a good chance that it is. There's been a marked improvement in defence as well. Two swallows don't make a summer but for now, we look forward to securing Div. 1 status for another year which is essential for this group of players.
I'm not sure how composed Armagh are, they couldn't seem to cope that well in the second half and were afraid to go after Tyrone. Tyrone got it back to 4 points without doing much besides pressing on the kick outs.
Armagh were good value for their win yesterday again. After watching Dublin v Kerry it was even harder to predict if Armagh had in fact improved in the Dublin match or if Dublin had regressed. Both probably.
Think the ref had a hard call on the "melee", he stood off it and watched it unfold yards in front of him. Anyone he adjudged to be aggravating it obviously got the line, but of course he couldn't have seen every dig that went in. But still, anyone stupid enough to contribute to it when he was standing there deserved to go.
On the game itself, Armagh looked composed moving forward and organised at the back. A lot of frees conceded around 14/21 yards from the net in the second half, clearly happy to sacrifice a point instead of a goal.
The talent off the bench will see them over the line in a lot of games this year, campbell, turbitt and o'neil are top players to call upon.
I would imagine if the water break was still on the cards, the Tyrone management would have relayed their message to the players in terms of handling the Armagh kickouts, there was a noticeable turnaround in the second half when Tyrone got to grips with it. From a Tyrone point of view that is slightly concerning they don't have the leadership on the ground to sort that during play.
The Tyrone decision making wasn't great either, some pot shots from players in unrealistic shooting positions, and getting caught in the swarm tackle too much.
Like the Kerry game last year, it might be the impetus to kickstart the year.
First of all, any day you beat that shower is a good day be it a friendly, McKenna Cup game, league or championship and you honestly couldnt hammer them by enough.
On the game itself- that first half performance along with last weeks against Dublin are as good as I've seen from Armagh in a long time. I dont think anyone in the country could touch us if we play like that. Too many big performances to name everyone but I thought Hughes in nets, Jarly Og, TK, Mackin and Duffy were first class.
Rian superb again, genuinely don't think you'd swap him for anyone at this point. As others have pointed out, these performances are coming with players like Oisin O'Neill, Grimley, Murnin, Shields, Soupy Campbell, Turbitt, Morgan and more either coming off the bench or not starting. Still and all, with the wind advantage in the second half we should have hammered home our advantage and gave them a proper clipping and we could have had 2 more goals in the first half, although they were always going to get their purple patch.
Genuinely forgot Cathal McShane was on the pitch at one point, that handy free Morgan missed in the second half you'd have thought McShane should be nailing all day long, same for Donnelly totally anonymous. None of their All Star players turned up at all.
On the handbags at the end, was too far away to pick anyone out but didnt see any punches thrown and nothing in any of the videos going around amounted to much either. In situations like that, the ref needs to make whoever had possession play on, so if you're rolling around acting the big fella and your man is at the other end of the field and scores a goal you're looking like a total clown for getting involved.
Having said that, it was absolutely priceless seeing the 4 lads get the line, couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of lads. Though Gough was abysmal, 3 or 4 times in the second half he gave a free for absolutely nothing, I thought watching it live that I'd missed something but watched it again on TG4 and I hadn't. Once in particular Mackin had the ball out round the middle and was surrounded by 4 Tyrone men, Gough immediately gave a free for overcarrying even though the lad wouldnt have had the ball in his hands any more than 2 seconds. The less said about the red cards the better.
Obviously, it's February and nothing will be won or lost now (Although Tyrone might get relegated which would be amazing), but the way we are at the minute, no one will want to play us. First things first another couple of wins to ensure safety in Division 1, then focus on a huge match in Ballybofey which we are well capable of winning. (Knowing Armagh we'll bate Donegal and lose to Antrim in the semi)
Quote from: bennydorano on February 06, 2022, 11:42:56 PM
A lot of chat about Armagh's conditioning and being ahead of the others, probably a fair bit of truth to that, but I think Armagh supporters would be far more impressed by the huge improvement in team organisation, game management and composure on the ball. Fitness is only a small part of this seemingly big improvement. But we will lose pretty soon, very possibly to Monaghan, which will burst the hype.
This has been quoted a few times now in the past few weeks. Dessie Farrell probably the first to mention it after the game last week. It's taken wings since with hardly a pundit or reporter not mentioning it. It seems to be their rationale for Armagh managing to win a game of football. I'd assume most county players these days would keep themselves fairly well conditioned mostly all year round.
They have some cracking footballers in there. The problem I think is maybe too many and it'll get tougher when championship games happen and they don't get so much space. You could see Tyrone squeezing then a lot more more towards the end of the first half and the football not working as well as it was.
Still though I've been very impressed with their football and hope they can keep that going. It's far better to watch than most teams out there now.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2022, 09:47:15 AM
First of all, any day you beat that shower is a good day be it a friendly, McKenna Cup game, league or championship and you honestly couldnt hammer them by enough.
On the game itself- that first half performance along with last weeks against Dublin are as good as I've seen from Armagh in a long time. I dont think anyone in the country could touch us if we play like that. Too many big performances to name everyone but I thought Hughes in nets, Jarly Og, TK, Mackin and Duffy were first class.
Rian superb again, genuinely don't think you'd swap him for anyone at this point. As others have pointed out, these performances are coming with players like Oisin O'Neill, Grimley, Murnin, Shields, Soupy Campbell, Turbitt, Morgan and more either coming off the bench or not starting. Still and all, with the wind advantage in the second half we should have hammered home our advantage and gave them a proper clipping and we could have had 2 more goals in the first half, although they were always going to get their purple patch.
Genuinely forgot Cathal McShane was on the pitch at one point, that handy free Morgan missed in the second half you'd have thought McShane should be nailing all day long, same for Donnelly totally anonymous. None of their All Star players turned up at all.
On the handbags at the end, was too far away to pick anyone out but didnt see any punches thrown and nothing in any of the videos going around amounted to much either. In situations like that, the ref needs to make whoever had possession play on, so if you're rolling around acting the big fella and your man is at the other end of the field and scores a goal you're looking like a total clown for getting involved.
Having said that, it was absolutely priceless seeing the 4 lads get the line, couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of lads. Though Gough was abysmal, 3 or 4 times in the second half he gave a free for absolutely nothing, I thought watching it live that I'd missed something but watched it again on TG4 and I hadn't. Once in particular Mackin had the ball out round the middle and was surrounded by 4 Tyrone men, Gough immediately gave a free for overcarrying even though the lad wouldnt have had the ball in his hands any more than 2 seconds. The less said about the red cards the better.
Obviously, it's February and nothing will be won or lost now (Although Tyrone might get relegated which would be amazing), but the way we are at the minute, no one will want to play us. First things first another couple of wins to ensure safety in Division 1, then focus on a huge match in Ballybofey which we are well capable of winning. (Knowing Armagh we'll bate Donegal and lose to Antrim in the semi)
This is priceless, I honestly laughed my arse off at the pure bitterness of it. Is this what Armagh fans have come to? Hoping that someone hammers tyrone.
Tyrone living rent free in Armaghs head for 20 years 😂😂
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2022, 09:47:15 AM
First of all, any day you beat that shower is a good day be it a friendly, McKenna Cup game, league or championship and you honestly couldnt hammer them by enough.
On the game itself- that first half performance along with last weeks against Dublin are as good as I've seen from Armagh in a long time. I dont think anyone in the country could touch us if we play like that. Too many big performances to name everyone but I thought Hughes in nets, Jarly Og, TK, Mackin and Duffy were first class.
Rian superb again, genuinely don't think you'd swap him for anyone at this point. As others have pointed out, these performances are coming with players like Oisin O'Neill, Grimley, Murnin, Shields, Soupy Campbell, Turbitt, Morgan and more either coming off the bench or not starting. Still and all, with the wind advantage in the second half we should have hammered home our advantage and gave them a proper clipping and we could have had 2 more goals in the first half, although they were always going to get their purple patch.
Genuinely forgot Cathal McShane was on the pitch at one point, that handy free Morgan missed in the second half you'd have thought McShane should be nailing all day long, same for Donnelly totally anonymous. None of their All Star players turned up at all.
On the handbags at the end, was too far away to pick anyone out but didnt see any punches thrown and nothing in any of the videos going around amounted to much either. In situations like that, the ref needs to make whoever had possession play on, so if you're rolling around acting the big fella and your man is at the other end of the field and scores a goal you're looking like a total clown for getting involved.
Having said that, it was absolutely priceless seeing the 4 lads get the line, couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of lads. Though Gough was abysmal, 3 or 4 times in the second half he gave a free for absolutely nothing, I thought watching it live that I'd missed something but watched it again on TG4 and I hadn't. Once in particular Mackin had the ball out round the middle and was surrounded by 4 Tyrone men, Gough immediately gave a free for overcarrying even though the lad wouldnt have had the ball in his hands any more than 2 seconds. The less said about the red cards the better.
Obviously, it's February and nothing will be won or lost now (Although Tyrone might get relegated which would be amazing), but the way we are at the minute, no one will want to play us. First things first another couple of wins to ensure safety in Division 1, then focus on a huge match in Ballybofey which we are well capable of winning. (Knowing Armagh we'll bate Donegal and lose to Antrim in the semi)
This should be in the WTF thread
Put aside rivalry, Rian O'Neill is probably the second best footballer in Ireland at the moment (behind Clifford), popped off a few points in the first half and set up several more, then in the second half when Armagh were under pressure near the end takes a serious Mark from a kickout. Tyrone need McShane or McKenna to become an outlet like this if we want to do well again this year.
When Armagh looked up they weren't afraid to kick it in, however Tyrone were constantly trying to carry the ball which is never going to result in goals against that Armagh defense, hopefully we be a bit more positive as the league progresses and let the ball in more.
Quote from: Solo_run on February 06, 2022, 11:28:00 PM
Quote from: LCohen on February 06, 2022, 11:24:28 PM
Reading references to Armagh talking up their AI chances or treating this victory as an AI. What is that actually based on?
As for the melee the Harte and McGeary reds are nailed on. Not sure about the rest but the ref and his team saw what they saw.
Some joker earlier claiming it was a free in to Tyrone that got reversed and that there were 4 points between them at that stage. None of that is true. Just objectively not true.
Where has this been said?
Well I had a quick sniff here (other discussion boards are available)
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 06, 2022, 06:48:24 PM
Hopefully you Armagh men got tomorrow and Tuesday booked off work to recover from the homecoming tonight. Fair play on the win, and all, but the exuberant celebrations around the ground for a national league game in February was embarrassing, to say the least. You'd have sworn it was the all Ireland final for a lot of that match with the fist pumping, chanting and hugs being given out. Suppose it does give the locals a wee lift when they take two points off the All Ireland champs ;)
Days off. What is this bucko talking about? Reacting to events that didn't happen
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2022, 07:12:34 PM
Armagh are looking good and can put up a real assault on ulster this year however like kerry I wouldn't be believing the hype as both sets of supporters seem to have done at the matches. Early Feb and aot of teams aren't up to speed yet.
What hype is this guy referring to?
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2022, 09:56:44 PM
2 good games in 5 years and armagh are the next dublin🙄
I couldn't find the bit where anyone from Armagh said they were the next Dublin or anything remotely close
Just a smattering there of Tyrone fans pretending that Armagh fans have said something and then reacting to the things that they are pretending that they have heard/read.
Can you explain it? Strikes me as very odd
Quote from: Taylor on February 07, 2022, 10:13:59 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2022, 09:47:15 AM
First of all, any day you beat that shower is a good day be it a friendly, McKenna Cup game, league or championship and you honestly couldnt hammer them by enough.
On the game itself- that first half performance along with last weeks against Dublin are as good as I've seen from Armagh in a long time. I dont think anyone in the country could touch us if we play like that. Too many big performances to name everyone but I thought Hughes in nets, Jarly Og, TK, Mackin and Duffy were first class.
Rian superb again, genuinely don't think you'd swap him for anyone at this point. As others have pointed out, these performances are coming with players like Oisin O'Neill, Grimley, Murnin, Shields, Soupy Campbell, Turbitt, Morgan and more either coming off the bench or not starting. Still and all, with the wind advantage in the second half we should have hammered home our advantage and gave them a proper clipping and we could have had 2 more goals in the first half, although they were always going to get their purple patch.
Genuinely forgot Cathal McShane was on the pitch at one point, that handy free Morgan missed in the second half you'd have thought McShane should be nailing all day long, same for Donnelly totally anonymous. None of their All Star players turned up at all.
On the handbags at the end, was too far away to pick anyone out but didnt see any punches thrown and nothing in any of the videos going around amounted to much either. In situations like that, the ref needs to make whoever had possession play on, so if you're rolling around acting the big fella and your man is at the other end of the field and scores a goal you're looking like a total clown for getting involved.
Having said that, it was absolutely priceless seeing the 4 lads get the line, couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of lads. Though Gough was abysmal, 3 or 4 times in the second half he gave a free for absolutely nothing, I thought watching it live that I'd missed something but watched it again on TG4 and I hadn't. Once in particular Mackin had the ball out round the middle and was surrounded by 4 Tyrone men, Gough immediately gave a free for overcarrying even though the lad wouldnt have had the ball in his hands any more than 2 seconds. The less said about the red cards the better.
Obviously, it's February and nothing will be won or lost now (Although Tyrone might get relegated which would be amazing), but the way we are at the minute, no one will want to play us. First things first another couple of wins to ensure safety in Division 1, then focus on a huge match in Ballybofey which we are well capable of winning. (Knowing Armagh we'll bate Donegal and lose to Antrim in the semi)
This should be in the WTF thread
Most of this guy's posts independent of subject should ;D
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 07, 2022, 06:41:09 AM
Quote from: LCohen on February 06, 2022, 11:24:28 PM
Reading references to Armagh talking up their AI chances or treating this victory as an AI. What is that actually based on?
As for the melee the Harte and McGeary reds are nailed on. Not sure about the rest but the ref and his team saw what they saw.
Some joker earlier claiming it was a free in to Tyrone that got reversed and that there were 4 points between them at that stage. None of that is true. Just objectively not true.
How is that not a free to tyrone.
https://twitter.com/SportTG4/status/1490403145855475716?t=XVmnJD_kVsLs5-dfQygJTg&s=19
McShane never touched the ball on the ground.
MacShane does touch the ball on the ground. The ref gave a free to Armagh for McShane touching the ball on the ground and he signalled to all prepared to look that he was giving a free for the ball being played on the ground. End off
I don't where abouts in the ground you were but if it helps as the ball is getting away from McShane and heading for the end line he swings his hand/fist at it and makes contact. This is on his way down and not whilst he is lying on the ground. Those behind the goal will probably have seen it. Those in the main stand on that side of the pitch certainly did. Tyrone and Armagh fans alike
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 07, 2022, 08:57:15 AM
It is far too early to be talking about Armagh and Sam. I'd love to see them win it but ultimately it's league football. They need a few wins under their belt in the championship.
Like last year, Kerry are the best team, but like last year they are beatable.
Very hard for a team to do back-to-back, especially after winning their first All Ireland. Even the "great" Dubs team took three attempts before managing it. So Tyrone have that weight to carry.
Mayo and Dublin look no better than last year, and Dubs could even be worse.
Monaghan, Donegal and Armagh should all have an added pep in their step from Tyrone's win, because they all know they're not too far behind them.
So that's 7 teams (including Armagh) who should all feel they have a genuine chance of winning Sam in 2022 and at least 4 or 5 more who think they can win their province.
A key aspect for both Armagh and Donegal is not to get too downhearted when they lose the Ulster QF, because it won't make the quest for the bigger prize any more difficult.
What is the back-door format this year?
Prov finalists only or do all beaten teams get a second go?
Quote from: tyroneman on February 07, 2022, 10:56:11 AM
What is the back-door format this year?
Prov finalists only or do all beaten teams get a second go?
Top 16 teams in league plus any other team making a provincial final get a second go. The others into the secondary competition
Great occasion yesterday in Armagh:
Couple of points:
Once again, was assured by Armagh's ability to keep the scoreboard ticking in the second half when they were shipping frees. Campbell's point that resulted from O'Neill's mark being the pick of them. However, still plenty to work on as in Dublin game. More work needed on kickout strategy.
As Fergal Logan stated, the melee was not in Tyrone's interest as they were chasing the game. It was therefore crazy for Peter Harte to grab Burns in a headlock which started the row. Tyrone discipline poor in general I thought.
Burns took a lot of abuse generally during the game.
A lot of talk about Armagh's conditioning. Maybe some truth in that, but if you can't score from 30 yards out, conditioning makes no difference. Tyrone missed a number of very scoreable chances (haven't seen the wide count) which would have seen them back in the game had they been scored - same with Dublin last week. Like last week, Armagh hardly kicked more than 5 wides. Will be hard to keep that up scoring rate.
That will give a lot of encouragement and confidence to Armagh. If they can get another win, they should be safe and then they can start preparing for the Championship. However, we've seen before teams like Galway, steam through the league beating top 4 teams and then collapse in the summer, so no-one getting carried away in Armagh.
GAA team of the week. I think that Gough should be the referee of the week.
(https://www.gaa.ie/api/images/image/private/w_1322,h_774,c_fill,g_auto,q_auto/jr1qrrmt6llhe6rh2xdf.jpg)
Quote from: David McKeown on February 07, 2022, 11:04:04 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 07, 2022, 10:56:11 AM
What is the back-door format this year?
Prov finalists only or do all beaten teams get a second go?
Top 16 teams in league plus any other team making a provincial final get a second go. The others into the secondary competition
Had not realised that at all.
With the return of knockout All-Ireland football quarter-finals (and discarding of the Super-8s), it was also confirmed that the semi-final pairings will be Connacht against Ulster and Leinster against Munster (if which team beats the provincial championships)
The final of the Tailteann Cup for Division 3 and 4 teams as well as New York – who will join at the quarter-final stage - will be played as a curtain raiser to the All-Ireland senior semi-final on Saturday, July 9th. The second senior football semi-final will be played twenty-four later.
The two counties relegated from Division 2 next spring will play in the Tier 2 competition with the two promoted sides eligible from Division 3 featuring in the Tier 1 Sam Maguire competition which includes a back-door qualifier route.
However, any Division 3 or 4 team – included the two counties relegated from Division 2 – will participate in the Tier 1 competition if they qualify for their respective provincial finals.
Quote from: HokeyPokey on February 07, 2022, 09:36:51 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on February 07, 2022, 09:21:21 AM
All of the debate around the 'melee' should not detract from the fact that it had no bearing on the outcome of the game. It was a done deal long before this, Tyrone needed goals and they never looked like getting one yesterday. Best team by far on the day won convincingly.
It's funny how people outside of Armagh are the ones referencing All Ireland contenders .... no one in Armagh is suggesting anything as such ... a win in Jan, and another in first week in Feb just confirm that Armagh are ahead of the pack 'at present'. April - Jul is where it will count. Monaghan will relish the chance to inflict Armagh's first defeat in a couple of weeks time.
As mentioned before above, it's not Armagh's conditioning that is the most apparent to me, it's their new found composure on the ball and decision making. Even last year, Armagh would rush to take a shot when the shot was not really on, this year they're happy to recycle and only take it on when there's a good chance that it is. There's been a marked improvement in defence as well. Two swallows don't make a summer but for now, we look forward to securing Div. 1 status for another year which is essential for this group of players.
I'm not sure how composed Armagh are, they couldn't seem to cope that well in the second half and were afraid to go after Tyrone. Tyrone got it back to 4 points without doing much besides pressing on the kick outs.
This is why I don't think Armagh are the finished product concerning fitness yet although some would have you believe they are. Certainly ahead of the curve but Armagh have scored 2-8 in the first half against Dublin within a 20 minute period and were not performing well in the second half. They scored 2-8 against Tyrone over the 35 minute of the first half but again went missing in the second half. McGeeney and Donaghy know all too well how long a season can be if you are going at it full peak and doubt they are going to let it happen here. I think there is a lot more to come from Armagh in terms of fitness and they need to develop a few alternative plans such as dealing with the high press on kick-outs.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 07, 2022, 08:57:15 AM
It is far too early to be talking about Armagh and Sam. I'd love to see them win it but ultimately it's league football. They need a few wins under their belt in the championship.
Armagh looking well drilled but their biggest hand to success is the manager. He's bottled it at every time of asking with Kildare and Armagh. Cross people haven't been looking rid for 8 years for no reason.
Quote from: KickPass on February 07, 2022, 12:04:02 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 07, 2022, 08:57:15 AM
It is far too early to be talking about Armagh and Sam. I'd love to see them win it but ultimately it's league football. They need a few wins under their belt in the championship.
Armagh looking well drilled but their biggest hand to success is the manager. He's bottled it at every time of asking with Kildare and Armagh. Cross people haven't been looking rid for 8 years for no reason.
Delighted that you joined just to bring us that wonderfully positive and insightful post. I think you will bring a lot to this board, thank you
All Ireland February champions 2022 - Ard Mhacha
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 07, 2022, 12:18:03 PM
All Ireland February champions 2022 - Ard Mhacha
Are they not allowed a bit of happiness? They've just gone and beaten the AI champions of the last 7 years.
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 07, 2022, 12:18:03 PM
All Ireland February champions 2022 - Ard Mhacha
Where are you delusional bunch coming up with this shite? Nobody has said anything of the sort yet it is only the Tyrone posters who keep mentioning Armagh and AI in the same sentence. Can't Armagh fans be happy about the performance of our team? We are all well aware the AI isn't won in the league but we need progress somehow.
To be honest I expect Donegal to beat Armagh, though Murphy pulling up yesterday would be cause for concern for them.
Armagh people are not getting carried away, although a few of them were wrestled to the ground.
Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 12:35:57 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 07, 2022, 12:18:03 PM
All Ireland February champions 2022 - Ard Mhacha
Where are you delusional bunch coming up with this shite? Nobody has said anything of the sort yet it is only the Tyrone posters who keep mentioning Armagh and AI in the same sentence. Can't Armagh fans be happy about the performance of our team? We are all well aware the AI isn't won in the league but we need progress somehow.
It's frowned upon in Tyrone if we should say anything mildly positive about our team after a win against them. It's also not quite alright to have any aspirations whatsoever. I'm sure the same principle applies both ways.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 07, 2022, 12:43:45 PM
Armagh people are not getting carried away, although a few of them were wrestled to the ground.
January/February or not, Armagh deserve alot more credit than they have received to date. Too much said about conditioning rather than the brand of football. Continually kicking the ball in with quality reserves alot of energy, maybe that's the reason for looking so fit.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2022, 09:47:15 AM
First of all, any day you beat that shower is a good day be it a friendly, McKenna Cup game, league or championship and you honestly couldnt hammer them by enough.
On the game itself- that first half performance along with last weeks against Dublin are as good as I've seen from Armagh in a long time. I dont think anyone in the country could touch us if we play like that. Too many big performances to name everyone but I thought Hughes in nets, Jarly Og, TK, Mackin and Duffy were first class.
Rian superb again, genuinely don't think you'd swap him for anyone at this point. As others have pointed out, these performances are coming with players like Oisin O'Neill, Grimley, Murnin, Shields, Soupy Campbell, Turbitt, Morgan and more either coming off the bench or not starting. Still and all, with the wind advantage in the second half we should have hammered home our advantage and gave them a proper clipping and we could have had 2 more goals in the first half, although they were always going to get their purple patch.
Genuinely forgot Cathal McShane was on the pitch at one point, that handy free Morgan missed in the second half you'd have thought McShane should be nailing all day long, same for Donnelly totally anonymous. None of their All Star players turned up at all.
On the handbags at the end, was too far away to pick anyone out but didnt see any punches thrown and nothing in any of the videos going around amounted to much either. In situations like that, the ref needs to make whoever had possession play on, so if you're rolling around acting the big fella and your man is at the other end of the field and scores a goal you're looking like a total clown for getting involved.
Having said that, it was absolutely priceless seeing the 4 lads get the line, couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of lads. Though Gough was abysmal, 3 or 4 times in the second half he gave a free for absolutely nothing, I thought watching it live that I'd missed something but watched it again on TG4 and I hadn't. Once in particular Mackin had the ball out round the middle and was surrounded by 4 Tyrone men, Gough immediately gave a free for overcarrying even though the lad wouldnt have had the ball in his hands any more than 2 seconds. The less said about the red cards the better.
Obviously, it's February and nothing will be won or lost now (Although Tyrone might get relegated which would be amazing), but the way we are at the minute, no one will want to play us. First things first another couple of wins to ensure safety in Division 1, then focus on a huge match in Ballybofey which we are well capable of winning. (Knowing Armagh we'll bate Donegal and lose to Antrim in the semi)
Have Armagh ones not learned anything from 2005... Celebrating the poorest refereeing decision taken in years as something they achieved. FFS. We will just dust ourselves down, internalise it and let the fox run a wee bit longer that that. Armagh can be genuine All Ireland contenders this year but when you know the referee has made a balls of it and ended the game with 4 or 5 points in with 6 minutes left, say it and you lose nothing for being a tad humbler....I was beside it and maintain all 4 were sent off wrongly, Id have had 2 Armagh players for striking and Tyrone men were getting red cards for lifting and throwing Armagh players about like wet bags. David Clifford got a yellow the night before for the same. First time I think since 1989 that Tyrone (according to the referee) beat Armagh in the ruccus.
Quote from: clubman21 on February 07, 2022, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 07, 2022, 12:43:45 PM
Armagh people are not getting carried away, although a few of them were wrestled to the ground.
January/February or not, Armagh deserve alot more credit than they have received to date. Too much said about conditioning rather than the brand of football. Continually kicking the ball in with quality reserves alot of energy, maybe that's the reason for looking so fit.
That's a fair point. Played some great football but it's very hard at this time of year to read anything into it. This time last year everyone was expecting tyrone to disappear after the kerry hammering.
Positive signs for ulster in general and there should be another sam in Ulster within the next 4 years. Hopefully it will be with tyrone lol
Quote from: rrhf on February 07, 2022, 12:48:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2022, 09:47:15 AM
First of all, any day you beat that shower is a good day be it a friendly, McKenna Cup game, league or championship and you honestly couldnt hammer them by enough.
On the game itself- that first half performance along with last weeks against Dublin are as good as I've seen from Armagh in a long time. I dont think anyone in the country could touch us if we play like that. Too many big performances to name everyone but I thought Hughes in nets, Jarly Og, TK, Mackin and Duffy were first class.
Rian superb again, genuinely don't think you'd swap him for anyone at this point. As others have pointed out, these performances are coming with players like Oisin O'Neill, Grimley, Murnin, Shields, Soupy Campbell, Turbitt, Morgan and more either coming off the bench or not starting. Still and all, with the wind advantage in the second half we should have hammered home our advantage and gave them a proper clipping and we could have had 2 more goals in the first half, although they were always going to get their purple patch.
Genuinely forgot Cathal McShane was on the pitch at one point, that handy free Morgan missed in the second half you'd have thought McShane should be nailing all day long, same for Donnelly totally anonymous. None of their All Star players turned up at all.
On the handbags at the end, was too far away to pick anyone out but didnt see any punches thrown and nothing in any of the videos going around amounted to much either. In situations like that, the ref needs to make whoever had possession play on, so if you're rolling around acting the big fella and your man is at the other end of the field and scores a goal you're looking like a total clown for getting involved.
Having said that, it was absolutely priceless seeing the 4 lads get the line, couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of lads. Though Gough was abysmal, 3 or 4 times in the second half he gave a free for absolutely nothing, I thought watching it live that I'd missed something but watched it again on TG4 and I hadn't. Once in particular Mackin had the ball out round the middle and was surrounded by 4 Tyrone men, Gough immediately gave a free for overcarrying even though the lad wouldnt have had the ball in his hands any more than 2 seconds. The less said about the red cards the better.
Obviously, it's February and nothing will be won or lost now (Although Tyrone might get relegated which would be amazing), but the way we are at the minute, no one will want to play us. First things first another couple of wins to ensure safety in Division 1, then focus on a huge match in Ballybofey which we are well capable of winning. (Knowing Armagh we'll bate Donegal and lose to Antrim in the semi)
Have Armagh ones not learned anything from 2005... Celebrating the poorest refereeing decision taken in years as something they achieved. FFS. We will just dust ourselves down, internalise it and let the fox run a wee bit longer that that. Armagh can be genuine All Ireland contenders this year but when you know the referee has made a balls of it and ended the game with 4 or 5 points in with 6 minutes left, say it and you lose nothing for being a tad humbler....I was beside it and maintain all 4 were sent off wrongly, Id have had 2 Armagh players for striking and Tyrone men were getting red cards for lifting and throwing Armagh players about like wet bags. David Clifford got a yellow the night before for the same. First time I think since 1989 that Tyrone (according to the referee) beat Armagh in the ruccus.
Are you saying had Tyrone kept their composure and played the final 3/4 minutes they'd have won the match?
McGeeney himself has said its only February, Tyrone are way better than yesterday's performance. But you take the wins when you can. Armagh have come from a long way down and that is in no small part down to McGeeney and his commitment. Few Armagh fans expect an AI win this year, but the way they are playing we can hope. As for the melee I don't think it warranted 5 reds, but this sort of shit is unsightly and marred an otherwise fascinating encounter. If the GAA are going to start dishing reds for this they could have started in Tralee.
Quote from: rrhf on February 07, 2022, 12:48:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2022, 09:47:15 AM
First of all, any day you beat that shower is a good day be it a friendly, McKenna Cup game, league or championship and you honestly couldnt hammer them by enough.
On the game itself- that first half performance along with last weeks against Dublin are as good as I've seen from Armagh in a long time. I dont think anyone in the country could touch us if we play like that. Too many big performances to name everyone but I thought Hughes in nets, Jarly Og, TK, Mackin and Duffy were first class.
Rian superb again, genuinely don't think you'd swap him for anyone at this point. As others have pointed out, these performances are coming with players like Oisin O'Neill, Grimley, Murnin, Shields, Soupy Campbell, Turbitt, Morgan and more either coming off the bench or not starting. Still and all, with the wind advantage in the second half we should have hammered home our advantage and gave them a proper clipping and we could have had 2 more goals in the first half, although they were always going to get their purple patch.
Genuinely forgot Cathal McShane was on the pitch at one point, that handy free Morgan missed in the second half you'd have thought McShane should be nailing all day long, same for Donnelly totally anonymous. None of their All Star players turned up at all.
On the handbags at the end, was too far away to pick anyone out but didnt see any punches thrown and nothing in any of the videos going around amounted to much either. In situations like that, the ref needs to make whoever had possession play on, so if you're rolling around acting the big fella and your man is at the other end of the field and scores a goal you're looking like a total clown for getting involved.
Having said that, it was absolutely priceless seeing the 4 lads get the line, couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of lads. Though Gough was abysmal, 3 or 4 times in the second half he gave a free for absolutely nothing, I thought watching it live that I'd missed something but watched it again on TG4 and I hadn't. Once in particular Mackin had the ball out round the middle and was surrounded by 4 Tyrone men, Gough immediately gave a free for overcarrying even though the lad wouldnt have had the ball in his hands any more than 2 seconds. The less said about the red cards the better.
Obviously, it's February and nothing will be won or lost now (Although Tyrone might get relegated which would be amazing), but the way we are at the minute, no one will want to play us. First things first another couple of wins to ensure safety in Division 1, then focus on a huge match in Ballybofey which we are well capable of winning. (Knowing Armagh we'll bate Donegal and lose to Antrim in the semi)
Have Armagh ones not learned anything from 2005... Celebrating the poorest refereeing decision taken in years as something they achieved. FFS. We will just dust ourselves down, internalise it and let the fox run a wee bit longer that that. Armagh can be genuine All Ireland contenders this year but when you know the referee has made a balls of it and ended the game with 4 or 5 points in with 6 minutes left, say it and you lose nothing for being a tad humbler....I was beside it and maintain all 4 were sent off wrongly, Id have had 2 Armagh players for striking and Tyrone men were getting red cards for lifting and throwing Armagh players about like wet bags. David Clifford got a yellow the night before for the same. First time I think since 1989 that Tyrone (according to the referee) beat Armagh in the ruccus.
Don't think Tyrone would have came back and won it red cards or not, but anyway no point arguing over that. Couldn't see anything warranting red cards on either team either live, on TG4 or on the whatsapp videos going around.
Quote from: rrhf on February 07, 2022, 12:48:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2022, 09:47:15 AM
First of all, any day you beat that shower is a good day be it a friendly, McKenna Cup game, league or championship and you honestly couldnt hammer them by enough.
On the game itself- that first half performance along with last weeks against Dublin are as good as I've seen from Armagh in a long time. I dont think anyone in the country could touch us if we play like that. Too many big performances to name everyone but I thought Hughes in nets, Jarly Og, TK, Mackin and Duffy were first class.
Rian superb again, genuinely don't think you'd swap him for anyone at this point. As others have pointed out, these performances are coming with players like Oisin O'Neill, Grimley, Murnin, Shields, Soupy Campbell, Turbitt, Morgan and more either coming off the bench or not starting. Still and all, with the wind advantage in the second half we should have hammered home our advantage and gave them a proper clipping and we could have had 2 more goals in the first half, although they were always going to get their purple patch.
Genuinely forgot Cathal McShane was on the pitch at one point, that handy free Morgan missed in the second half you'd have thought McShane should be nailing all day long, same for Donnelly totally anonymous. None of their All Star players turned up at all.
On the handbags at the end, was too far away to pick anyone out but didnt see any punches thrown and nothing in any of the videos going around amounted to much either. In situations like that, the ref needs to make whoever had possession play on, so if you're rolling around acting the big fella and your man is at the other end of the field and scores a goal you're looking like a total clown for getting involved.
Having said that, it was absolutely priceless seeing the 4 lads get the line, couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of lads. Though Gough was abysmal, 3 or 4 times in the second half he gave a free for absolutely nothing, I thought watching it live that I'd missed something but watched it again on TG4 and I hadn't. Once in particular Mackin had the ball out round the middle and was surrounded by 4 Tyrone men, Gough immediately gave a free for overcarrying even though the lad wouldnt have had the ball in his hands any more than 2 seconds. The less said about the red cards the better.
Obviously, it's February and nothing will be won or lost now (Although Tyrone might get relegated which would be amazing), but the way we are at the minute, no one will want to play us. First things first another couple of wins to ensure safety in Division 1, then focus on a huge match in Ballybofey which we are well capable of winning. (Knowing Armagh we'll bate Donegal and lose to Antrim in the semi)
Have Armagh ones not learned anything from 2005... Celebrating the poorest refereeing decision taken in years as something they achieved. FFS. We will just dust ourselves down, internalise it and let the fox run a wee bit longer that that. Armagh can be genuine All Ireland contenders this year but when you know the referee has made a balls of it and ended the game with 4 or 5 points in with 6 minutes left, say it and you lose nothing for being a tad humbler....I was beside it and maintain all 4 were sent off wrongly, Id have had 2 Armagh players for striking and Tyrone men were getting red cards for lifting and throwing Armagh players about like wet bags. David Clifford got a yellow the night before for the same. First time I think since 1989 that Tyrone (according to the referee) beat Armagh in the ruccus.
This is laughable.
If you threw someone to the ground with the ball it would be a black card, throwing someone to the ground nowhere near the ball should be more than that. Running half the length of the field to join in is a large part of the problem. Perhaps they need a rule where the Ref gives a long whistle or some other distinct signal and that establishes a period when people simply have to stay where there are.
Quote from: rrhf on February 07, 2022, 12:48:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2022, 09:47:15 AM
First of all, any day you beat that shower is a good day be it a friendly, McKenna Cup game, league or championship and you honestly couldnt hammer them by enough.
On the game itself- that first half performance along with last weeks against Dublin are as good as I've seen from Armagh in a long time. I dont think anyone in the country could touch us if we play like that. Too many big performances to name everyone but I thought Hughes in nets, Jarly Og, TK, Mackin and Duffy were first class.
Rian superb again, genuinely don't think you'd swap him for anyone at this point. As others have pointed out, these performances are coming with players like Oisin O'Neill, Grimley, Murnin, Shields, Soupy Campbell, Turbitt, Morgan and more either coming off the bench or not starting. Still and all, with the wind advantage in the second half we should have hammered home our advantage and gave them a proper clipping and we could have had 2 more goals in the first half, although they were always going to get their purple patch.
Genuinely forgot Cathal McShane was on the pitch at one point, that handy free Morgan missed in the second half you'd have thought McShane should be nailing all day long, same for Donnelly totally anonymous. None of their All Star players turned up at all.
On the handbags at the end, was too far away to pick anyone out but didnt see any punches thrown and nothing in any of the videos going around amounted to much either. In situations like that, the ref needs to make whoever had possession play on, so if you're rolling around acting the big fella and your man is at the other end of the field and scores a goal you're looking like a total clown for getting involved.
Having said that, it was absolutely priceless seeing the 4 lads get the line, couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of lads. Though Gough was abysmal, 3 or 4 times in the second half he gave a free for absolutely nothing, I thought watching it live that I'd missed something but watched it again on TG4 and I hadn't. Once in particular Mackin had the ball out round the middle and was surrounded by 4 Tyrone men, Gough immediately gave a free for overcarrying even though the lad wouldnt have had the ball in his hands any more than 2 seconds. The less said about the red cards the better.
Obviously, it's February and nothing will be won or lost now (Although Tyrone might get relegated which would be amazing), but the way we are at the minute, no one will want to play us. First things first another couple of wins to ensure safety in Division 1, then focus on a huge match in Ballybofey which we are well capable of winning. (Knowing Armagh we'll bate Donegal and lose to Antrim in the semi)
Have Armagh ones not learned anything from 2005... Celebrating the poorest refereeing decision taken in years as something they achieved. FFS. We will just dust ourselves down, internalise it and let the fox run a wee bit longer that that. Armagh can be genuine All Ireland contenders this year but when you know the referee has made a balls of it and ended the game with 4 or 5 points in with 6 minutes left, say it and you lose nothing for being a tad humbler....I was beside it and maintain all 4 were sent off wrongly, Id have had 2 Armagh players for striking and Tyrone men were getting red cards for lifting and throwing Armagh players about like wet bags. David Clifford got a yellow the night before for the same. First time I think since 1989 that Tyrone (according to the referee) beat Armagh in the ruccus.
People don't seem to understand, the referee was beside it all watching it unfold also, if he, with his own two eyes sees what he deems red card offences going on in front of him what is he supposed to do? Like most peoples thinking on it, two teams were involved, and the outcome was 4 from Tyrone, 1 from Armagh to see the line seemed unjust. But again, what is he supposed to do? "nah I have already sent off 3 players from that team, player number 4 offence can slide".
In the grand scheme of things the game was won at the end of the 70 minutes. This will all be forgotten about soon, it wasn't the first time it happened and it certainly will not be the last. I think most of us - myself included are making a bigger deal out of it than what it warrants. Might as well wait to see what the GAA have to say about it and go from there. As a Tyrone poster said earlier on "It's the league FSS"
I have no problem with the rules being applied - as long as they are being applied consistently.
No doubt the referee/linesmen saw the infractions by the 4 Tyrone players & 1 Armagh player. By the letter of the law they can be sent off.
Fair enough.
But how the f**k can the two umpires miss Armagh #3 doing exactly the same and not get sent off?
Not to mention the elbow to the head on McShane in the first half.
Its the inconsistency that is galling here.
And not even consistency across all games - there wasnt even consistency in this game.
Its a showcase match aired on TV (albeit deferred) and two teams embarrassed themselves at the end, why the need to go in and 'help' someone when they are tussling with someone else is beyond me, the red cards should be given for stupidity.
That aside, any neck choking should be a red card and a decent ban with it to nip it in the bud
Quote from: rrhf on February 07, 2022, 12:48:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2022, 09:47:15 AM
First of all, any day you beat that shower is a good day be it a friendly, McKenna Cup game, league or championship and you honestly couldnt hammer them by enough.
On the game itself- that first half performance along with last weeks against Dublin are as good as I've seen from Armagh in a long time. I dont think anyone in the country could touch us if we play like that. Too many big performances to name everyone but I thought Hughes in nets, Jarly Og, TK, Mackin and Duffy were first class.
Rian superb again, genuinely don't think you'd swap him for anyone at this point. As others have pointed out, these performances are coming with players like Oisin O'Neill, Grimley, Murnin, Shields, Soupy Campbell, Turbitt, Morgan and more either coming off the bench or not starting. Still and all, with the wind advantage in the second half we should have hammered home our advantage and gave them a proper clipping and we could have had 2 more goals in the first half, although they were always going to get their purple patch.
Genuinely forgot Cathal McShane was on the pitch at one point, that handy free Morgan missed in the second half you'd have thought McShane should be nailing all day long, same for Donnelly totally anonymous. None of their All Star players turned up at all.
On the handbags at the end, was too far away to pick anyone out but didnt see any punches thrown and nothing in any of the videos going around amounted to much either. In situations like that, the ref needs to make whoever had possession play on, so if you're rolling around acting the big fella and your man is at the other end of the field and scores a goal you're looking like a total clown for getting involved.
Having said that, it was absolutely priceless seeing the 4 lads get the line, couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of lads. Though Gough was abysmal, 3 or 4 times in the second half he gave a free for absolutely nothing, I thought watching it live that I'd missed something but watched it again on TG4 and I hadn't. Once in particular Mackin had the ball out round the middle and was surrounded by 4 Tyrone men, Gough immediately gave a free for overcarrying even though the lad wouldnt have had the ball in his hands any more than 2 seconds. The less said about the red cards the better.
Obviously, it's February and nothing will be won or lost now (Although Tyrone might get relegated which would be amazing), but the way we are at the minute, no one will want to play us. First things first another couple of wins to ensure safety in Division 1, then focus on a huge match in Ballybofey which we are well capable of winning. (Knowing Armagh we'll bate Donegal and lose to Antrim in the semi)
Have Armagh ones not learned anything from 2005... Celebrating the poorest refereeing decision taken in years as something they achieved. FFS. We will just dust ourselves down, internalise it and let the fox run a wee bit longer that that. Armagh can be genuine All Ireland contenders this year but when you know the referee has made a balls of it and ended the game with 4 or 5 points in with 6 minutes left, say it and you lose nothing for being a tad humbler....I was beside it and maintain all 4 were sent off wrongly, Id have had 2 Armagh players for striking and Tyrone men were getting red cards for lifting and throwing Armagh players about like wet bags. David Clifford got a yellow the night before for the same. First time I think since 1989 that Tyrone (according to the referee) beat Armagh in the ruccus.
No one knows what would have happened had it not been for the row. However, let's look at the facts.
Campbell scored his point in the first minute of injury time, stretching the Armagh lead back out to to 5 points (not 4).
30 seconds later, McShane ran into trouble and lost the ball with 5 minutes left (not 6). Free out for Armagh.
Now bearing in mind that Tyrone hadn't looked like getting within a hounds growl of scoring a goal all day, I would have thought turning around a 5pt deficit in 5 minutes a fairly tall order.
However, instead of remaining disciplined, Peter Harte, Tyrone's most experienced player, grabbed Jarlath Burns round the neck and wrestled him to the ground, instigating a melee which wasn't resolved until 75 minutes were on the clock.
Regardless of how many players were sent off, whatever small chance they had, Tyrone were finished as soon as Harte started that row.
For all the talk about the referee, if I was in the Tyrone management team, I'd be raging at Peter Harte.
The game was lost by the time the melee started.
We were not going to win that game yesterday if we had 10mins of injury time
Quote from: Taylor on February 07, 2022, 10:13:59 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2022, 09:47:15 AM
First of all, any day you beat that shower is a good day be it a friendly, McKenna Cup game, league or championship and you honestly couldnt hammer them by enough.
On the game itself- that first half performance along with last weeks against Dublin are as good as I've seen from Armagh in a long time. I dont think anyone in the country could touch us if we play like that. Too many big performances to name everyone but I thought Hughes in nets, Jarly Og, TK, Mackin and Duffy were first class.
Rian superb again, genuinely don't think you'd swap him for anyone at this point. As others have pointed out, these performances are coming with players like Oisin O'Neill, Grimley, Murnin, Shields, Soupy Campbell, Turbitt, Morgan and more either coming off the bench or not starting. Still and all, with the wind advantage in the second half we should have hammered home our advantage and gave them a proper clipping and we could have had 2 more goals in the first half, although they were always going to get their purple patch.
Genuinely forgot Cathal McShane was on the pitch at one point, that handy free Morgan missed in the second half you'd have thought McShane should be nailing all day long, same for Donnelly totally anonymous. None of their All Star players turned up at all.
On the handbags at the end, was too far away to pick anyone out but didnt see any punches thrown and nothing in any of the videos going around amounted to much either. In situations like that, the ref needs to make whoever had possession play on, so if you're rolling around acting the big fella and your man is at the other end of the field and scores a goal you're looking like a total clown for getting involved.
Having said that, it was absolutely priceless seeing the 4 lads get the line, couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of lads. Though Gough was abysmal, 3 or 4 times in the second half he gave a free for absolutely nothing, I thought watching it live that I'd missed something but watched it again on TG4 and I hadn't. Once in particular Mackin had the ball out round the middle and was surrounded by 4 Tyrone men, Gough immediately gave a free for overcarrying even though the lad wouldnt have had the ball in his hands any more than 2 seconds. The less said about the red cards the better.
Obviously, it's February and nothing will be won or lost now (Although Tyrone might get relegated which would be amazing), but the way we are at the minute, no one will want to play us. First things first another couple of wins to ensure safety in Division 1, then focus on a huge match in Ballybofey which we are well capable of winning. (Knowing Armagh we'll bate Donegal and lose to Antrim in the semi)
This should be in the WTF thread
Anything in particular you disagree with? Or just want to slabber?
Quote from: rrhf on February 07, 2022, 12:48:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2022, 09:47:15 AM
First of all, any day you beat that shower is a good day be it a friendly, McKenna Cup game, league or championship and you honestly couldnt hammer them by enough.
On the game itself- that first half performance along with last weeks against Dublin are as good as I've seen from Armagh in a long time. I dont think anyone in the country could touch us if we play like that. Too many big performances to name everyone but I thought Hughes in nets, Jarly Og, TK, Mackin and Duffy were first class.
Rian superb again, genuinely don't think you'd swap him for anyone at this point. As others have pointed out, these performances are coming with players like Oisin O'Neill, Grimley, Murnin, Shields, Soupy Campbell, Turbitt, Morgan and more either coming off the bench or not starting. Still and all, with the wind advantage in the second half we should have hammered home our advantage and gave them a proper clipping and we could have had 2 more goals in the first half, although they were always going to get their purple patch.
Genuinely forgot Cathal McShane was on the pitch at one point, that handy free Morgan missed in the second half you'd have thought McShane should be nailing all day long, same for Donnelly totally anonymous. None of their All Star players turned up at all.
On the handbags at the end, was too far away to pick anyone out but didnt see any punches thrown and nothing in any of the videos going around amounted to much either. In situations like that, the ref needs to make whoever had possession play on, so if you're rolling around acting the big fella and your man is at the other end of the field and scores a goal you're looking like a total clown for getting involved.
Having said that, it was absolutely priceless seeing the 4 lads get the line, couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of lads. Though Gough was abysmal, 3 or 4 times in the second half he gave a free for absolutely nothing, I thought watching it live that I'd missed something but watched it again on TG4 and I hadn't. Once in particular Mackin had the ball out round the middle and was surrounded by 4 Tyrone men, Gough immediately gave a free for overcarrying even though the lad wouldnt have had the ball in his hands any more than 2 seconds. The less said about the red cards the better.
Obviously, it's February and nothing will be won or lost now (Although Tyrone might get relegated which would be amazing), but the way we are at the minute, no one will want to play us. First things first another couple of wins to ensure safety in Division 1, then focus on a huge match in Ballybofey which we are well capable of winning. (Knowing Armagh we'll bate Donegal and lose to Antrim in the semi)
Have Armagh ones not learned anything from 2005... Celebrating the poorest refereeing decision taken in years as something they achieved. FFS. We will just dust ourselves down, internalise it and let the fox run a wee bit longer that that. Armagh can be genuine All Ireland contenders this year but when you know the referee has made a balls of it and ended the game with 4 or 5 points in with 6 minutes left, say it and you lose nothing for being a tad humbler....I was beside it and maintain all 4 were sent off wrongly, Id have had 2 Armagh players for striking and Tyrone men were getting red cards for lifting and throwing Armagh players about like wet bags. David Clifford got a yellow the night before for the same. First time I think since 1989 that Tyrone (according to the referee) beat Armagh in the ruccus.
I was taking your post seriously until the part about the row.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2022, 01:18:55 PM
Quote from: Taylor on February 07, 2022, 10:13:59 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2022, 09:47:15 AM
First of all, any day you beat that shower is a good day be it a friendly, McKenna Cup game, league or championship and you honestly couldnt hammer them by enough.
On the game itself- that first half performance along with last weeks against Dublin are as good as I've seen from Armagh in a long time. I dont think anyone in the country could touch us if we play like that. Too many big performances to name everyone but I thought Hughes in nets, Jarly Og, TK, Mackin and Duffy were first class.
Rian superb again, genuinely don't think you'd swap him for anyone at this point. As others have pointed out, these performances are coming with players like Oisin O'Neill, Grimley, Murnin, Shields, Soupy Campbell, Turbitt, Morgan and more either coming off the bench or not starting. Still and all, with the wind advantage in the second half we should have hammered home our advantage and gave them a proper clipping and we could have had 2 more goals in the first half, although they were always going to get their purple patch.
Genuinely forgot Cathal McShane was on the pitch at one point, that handy free Morgan missed in the second half you'd have thought McShane should be nailing all day long, same for Donnelly totally anonymous. None of their All Star players turned up at all.
On the handbags at the end, was too far away to pick anyone out but didnt see any punches thrown and nothing in any of the videos going around amounted to much either. In situations like that, the ref needs to make whoever had possession play on, so if you're rolling around acting the big fella and your man is at the other end of the field and scores a goal you're looking like a total clown for getting involved.
Having said that, it was absolutely priceless seeing the 4 lads get the line, couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of lads. Though Gough was abysmal, 3 or 4 times in the second half he gave a free for absolutely nothing, I thought watching it live that I'd missed something but watched it again on TG4 and I hadn't. Once in particular Mackin had the ball out round the middle and was surrounded by 4 Tyrone men, Gough immediately gave a free for overcarrying even though the lad wouldnt have had the ball in his hands any more than 2 seconds. The less said about the red cards the better.
Obviously, it's February and nothing will be won or lost now (Although Tyrone might get relegated which would be amazing), but the way we are at the minute, no one will want to play us. First things first another couple of wins to ensure safety in Division 1, then focus on a huge match in Ballybofey which we are well capable of winning. (Knowing Armagh we'll bate Donegal and lose to Antrim in the semi)
This should be in the WTF thread
Anything in particular you disagree with? Or just want to slabber?
;D ;D
Even after a big win still a bit touchy.
I have highlighted the bits in bold that I am surprised an adult would write about a league game in Feb..
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 07, 2022, 12:18:03 PM
All Ireland February champions 2022 - Ard Mhacha
People will be intrigued by this insight into the Tyrone mindset.
Most if not all readers know that nobody in Armagh is talking this nonsense
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2022, 12:56:20 PM
Quote from: rrhf on February 07, 2022, 12:48:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2022, 09:47:15 AM
First of all, any day you beat that shower is a good day be it a friendly, McKenna Cup game, league or championship and you honestly couldnt hammer them by enough.
On the game itself- that first half performance along with last weeks against Dublin are as good as I've seen from Armagh in a long time. I dont think anyone in the country could touch us if we play like that. Too many big performances to name everyone but I thought Hughes in nets, Jarly Og, TK, Mackin and Duffy were first class.
Rian superb again, genuinely don't think you'd swap him for anyone at this point. As others have pointed out, these performances are coming with players like Oisin O'Neill, Grimley, Murnin, Shields, Soupy Campbell, Turbitt, Morgan and more either coming off the bench or not starting. Still and all, with the wind advantage in the second half we should have hammered home our advantage and gave them a proper clipping and we could have had 2 more goals in the first half, although they were always going to get their purple patch.
Genuinely forgot Cathal McShane was on the pitch at one point, that handy free Morgan missed in the second half you'd have thought McShane should be nailing all day long, same for Donnelly totally anonymous. None of their All Star players turned up at all.
On the handbags at the end, was too far away to pick anyone out but didnt see any punches thrown and nothing in any of the videos going around amounted to much either. In situations like that, the ref needs to make whoever had possession play on, so if you're rolling around acting the big fella and your man is at the other end of the field and scores a goal you're looking like a total clown for getting involved.
Having said that, it was absolutely priceless seeing the 4 lads get the line, couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of lads. Though Gough was abysmal, 3 or 4 times in the second half he gave a free for absolutely nothing, I thought watching it live that I'd missed something but watched it again on TG4 and I hadn't. Once in particular Mackin had the ball out round the middle and was surrounded by 4 Tyrone men, Gough immediately gave a free for overcarrying even though the lad wouldnt have had the ball in his hands any more than 2 seconds. The less said about the red cards the better.
Obviously, it's February and nothing will be won or lost now (Although Tyrone might get relegated which would be amazing), but the way we are at the minute, no one will want to play us. First things first another couple of wins to ensure safety in Division 1, then focus on a huge match in Ballybofey which we are well capable of winning. (Knowing Armagh we'll bate Donegal and lose to Antrim in the semi)
Have Armagh ones not learned anything from 2005... Celebrating the poorest refereeing decision taken in years as something they achieved. FFS. We will just dust ourselves down, internalise it and let the fox run a wee bit longer that that. Armagh can be genuine All Ireland contenders this year but when you know the referee has made a balls of it and ended the game with 4 or 5 points in with 6 minutes left, say it and you lose nothing for being a tad humbler....I was beside it and maintain all 4 were sent off wrongly, Id have had 2 Armagh players for striking and Tyrone men were getting red cards for lifting and throwing Armagh players about like wet bags. David Clifford got a yellow the night before for the same. First time I think since 1989 that Tyrone (according to the referee) beat Armagh in the ruccus.
Don't think Tyrone would have came back and won it red cards or not, but anyway no point arguing over that. Couldn't see anything warranting red cards on either team either live, on TG4 or on the whatsapp videos going around.
9 down at halftime. Worked it back to 5 down over 35 mins and apparently were on the cusp of winning it in injury time.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 07, 2022, 01:02:21 PM
If you threw someone to the ground with the ball it would be a black card, throwing someone to the ground nowhere near the ball should be more than that. Running half the length of the field to join in is a large part of the problem. Perhaps they need a rule where the Ref gives a long whistle or some other distinct signal and that establishes a period when people simply have to stay where there are.
works well in musical chairs. Rarely if ever spills over
I honestly wouldn't read an awful lot into that result at all. Tyrone look like a team that are about 6 weeks training short of where they need to be. Armagh on the other hand are playing close to their maximum with the players that are available. A lot of rookies and unheralded players have been performing way above what could have been realistically expected. The signs are good but I won't be getting carried away by performances in Jan/ Feb.
Credit to McGeeney who, despite some of his detractors, is over achieving and playing good football into the bargain. Another win should keep us safe in division 1 which is the main priority before championship where it's shaping up to be an ultra competitive USFC with any of 5 sides capable of winning it.
As for the sending offs, I'd expect that most of if not all players will be exonerated by appeal. Complete over reaction from Gough.
McKernan, McGeary and Harte all guilty of neck rolls. Why Harte bothered starting it all in the first place is beyond me.
Hampsey messed about and pulled a few people to the ground. McCabe seemed to be at the same messing. Armagh 13 should've got red as well for neck choke.
All guilt of embarrassing themselves in front of 14,000 people and hundreds of thousands on tv later. Why don't they just play football (and stop pretending they know MMA) and may the best team win?
Quote from: Sportacus on February 07, 2022, 01:40:44 PM
McKernan, McGeary and Harte all guilty of neck rolls. Why Harte bothered starting it all in the first place is beyond me.
Hampsey messed about and pulled a few people to the ground. McCabe seemed to be at the same messing. Armagh 13 should've got red as well for neck choke.
All guilt of embarrassing themselves in front of 14,000 people and hundreds of thousands on tv later. Why don't they just play football (and stop pretending they know MMA) and may the best team win?
Haven't seen what Hampsey or Nugent did (so not saying they are guilty or innocent). But that aside agree with the rest
Quote from: armaghniac on February 07, 2022, 12:43:45 PM
Armagh people are not getting carried away, although a few of them were wrestled to the ground.
Boom boom! ::) :D
I heard McKeever warned the lads after the match that starting a schmozzle with Tyrone was a bad idea because him and Geezer tried it in 2005 and Armagh haven't won a thing since!! ;D
Quote from: KickPass on February 07, 2022, 01:58:29 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 07, 2022, 12:43:45 PM
Armagh people are not getting carried away, although a few of them were wrestled to the ground.
Boom boom! ::) :D
I heard McKeever warned the lads after the match that starting a schmozzle with Tyrone was a bad idea because him and Geezer tried it in 2005 and Armagh haven't won a thing since!! ;D
Ulster 2008
Quote from: LCohen on February 07, 2022, 01:43:12 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on February 07, 2022, 01:40:44 PM
McKernan, McGeary and Harte all guilty of neck rolls. Why Harte bothered starting it all in the first place is beyond me.
Hampsey messed about and pulled a few people to the ground. McCabe seemed to be at the same messing. Armagh 13 should've got red as well for neck choke.
All guilt of embarrassing themselves in front of 14,000 people and hundreds of thousands on tv later. Why don't they just play football (and stop pretending they know MMA) and may the best team win?
Haven't seen what Hampsey or Nugent did (so not saying they are guilty or innocent). But that aside agree with the rest
He gave Forker a wee dig in the stomach over the the sideline in the aftermath of the melee. If he didn't get the red for that he should have done. Forker done well not to retaliate. I was surprised at Hampsey for that. Wasn't much in it to be honest but it was striking
The neck should be a no go area in GAA with an automatic red card for any attempt to grab the neck, choke someone or put them in a headlock.
Might have to have some leniency towards a tackle in open play aimed for the chest with moderate force and the opponent lowers himself to make it look like a full force clothes line tackle into the neck.
Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 02:17:17 PM
Quote from: KickPass on February 07, 2022, 01:58:29 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 07, 2022, 12:43:45 PM
Armagh people are not getting carried away, although a few of them were wrestled to the ground.
Boom boom! ::) :D
I heard McKeever warned the lads after the match that starting a schmozzle with Tyrone was a bad idea because him and Geezer tried it in 2005 and Armagh haven't won a thing since!! ;D
Ulster 2008
Jes when you're flat out winning All-Irelands you'd near forget who won Ulster that year rite enuf
Quote from: tiempo on February 07, 2022, 03:20:27 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 02:17:17 PM
Quote from: KickPass on February 07, 2022, 01:58:29 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 07, 2022, 12:43:45 PM
Armagh people are not getting carried away, although a few of them were wrestled to the ground.
Boom boom! ::) :D
I heard McKeever warned the lads after the match that starting a schmozzle with Tyrone was a bad idea because him and Geezer tried it in 2005 and Armagh haven't won a thing since!! ;D
Ulster 2008
Jes when you're flat out winning All-Irelands you'd near forget who won Ulster that year rite enuf
Of course let's make it all about Tyrone again.
Tyronies still in melt down this afternoon, great to see ;D
Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 02:17:17 PM
Quote from: KickPass on February 07, 2022, 01:58:29 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 07, 2022, 12:43:45 PM
Armagh people are not getting carried away, although a few of them were wrestled to the ground.
Boom boom! ::) :D
I heard McKeever warned the lads after the match that starting a schmozzle with Tyrone was a bad idea because him and Geezer tried it in 2005 and Armagh haven't won a thing since!! ;D
Ulster 2008
Batin the mighty Fermanagh 14 years ago not really much to crow about ;D
Kildare to be the big winners out of this possibly.
They'll surely fancy their chances a bit more heading to Omagh with McKernan, Hampsey, Harte and McGeary all sitting in the stand.
id say they'll all be available via Kildare.
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 07, 2022, 04:32:37 PM
Kildare to be the big winners out of this possibly.
They'll surely fancy their chances a bit more heading to Omagh with McKernan, Hampsey, Harte and McGeary all sitting in the stand.
Hard to tell if they would stick. Going off precedent they shouldn't, but the GAA might want to make some sort of point and it's easier for them to do it in the league.
I think Tyrone have plenty of able replacements so shouldn't be too much of an issue in any case. There's plenty of boys looking jerseys. Though four missing could be a miss. I think we would maybe miss Hampsey most as we would be short a full back, although McNamee could be back (not sure why he hasn't played the last couple). Rory Brennan would still be a decent option.
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 07, 2022, 04:32:37 PM
Kildare to be the big winners out of this possibly.
They'll surely fancy their chances a bit more heading to Omagh with McKernan, Hampsey, Harte and McGeary all sitting in the stand.
Possibly Gough sitting in the stand when this is all sorted out
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 07, 2022, 06:19:41 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 07, 2022, 04:32:37 PM
Kildare to be the big winners out of this possibly.
They'll surely fancy their chances a bit more heading to Omagh with McKernan, Hampsey, Harte and McGeary all sitting in the stand.
Possibly Gough sitting in the stand when this is all sorted out
Hopefully and Lane alongside him!
Quote from: general_lee on February 07, 2022, 03:52:00 PM
Tyronies still in melt down this afternoon, great to see ;D
They don't like losing McKenna Cup games so i can only imagine the moods after getting well beaten by Armagh in Division 1 game.
Quote from: KickPass on February 07, 2022, 04:18:11 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 02:17:17 PM
Quote from: KickPass on February 07, 2022, 01:58:29 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 07, 2022, 12:43:45 PM
Armagh people are not getting carried away, although a few of them were wrestled to the ground.
Boom boom! ::) :D
I heard McKeever warned the lads after the match that starting a schmozzle with Tyrone was a bad idea because him and Geezer tried it in 2005 and Armagh haven't won a thing since!! ;D
Ulster 2008
Batin the mighty Fermanagh 14 years ago not really much to crow about ;D
Fermanagh kicked themselves out of it that day.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 07, 2022, 07:46:06 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 07, 2022, 03:52:00 PM
Tyronies still in melt down this afternoon, great to see ;D
They don't like losing McKenna Cup games so i can only imagine the moods after getting well beaten by Armagh in Division 1 game.
I actually felt sorry for the Armagh man who saw red. He looked like an innocent bystander. On a serious note hopefully this incident will see a stop to boys doing the mma choke holds which are unbelievably dangerous. There's obviously a few wannabe mcgregors in Tyrone especially.
Quote from: Onthe40 on February 07, 2022, 04:40:30 PM
id say they'll all be available via Kildare.
I reckon all 5 red cards will stick - depends on what the report says but I would assume they'll all be hit with "contribute to a melee" charges.
Trying to prove any of the individuals were't contributing to a melee sounds like a fairly tall order to me.
Contributing to a melee is a Catergory 3 offence which means a 2 match suspension so Donegal could benefit as well.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
When did this occur?
Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 09:50:34 PM
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
When did this occur?
Probably the tackle Rian got his yellow card for. A bit of an exaggeration here but it was poor from Rian
Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 09:50:34 PM
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
When did this occur?
Was a foul and no more tbh.
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 07, 2022, 10:04:11 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 09:50:34 PM
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
When did this occur?
Probably the tackle Rian got his yellow card for. A bit of an exaggeration here but it was poor from Rian
Thought as much. I Suppose they think it was way worse when McKernan hauled Forker down to the ground.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 07, 2022, 07:46:06 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 07, 2022, 03:52:00 PM
Tyronies still in melt down this afternoon, great to see ;D
They don't like losing McKenna Cup games so i can only imagine the moods after getting well beaten by Armagh in Division 1 game.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hjyW2pdH/grump.jpg)
Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 10:17:14 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 07, 2022, 10:04:11 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 09:50:34 PM
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
When did this occur?
Probably the tackle Rian got his yellow card for. A bit of an exaggeration here but it was poor from Rian
Thought as much. I Suppose they think it was way worse when McKernan hauled Forker down to the ground.
What were Forker's intentions, do you think, as he sprinted towards the Tyrone player before McKernans intervention?
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 07, 2022, 11:37:07 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 10:17:14 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 07, 2022, 10:04:11 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 09:50:34 PM
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
When did this occur?
Probably the tackle Rian got his yellow card for. A bit of an exaggeration here but it was poor from Rian
Thought as much. I Suppose they think it was way worse when McKernan hauled Forker down to the ground.
What were Forker's intentions, do you think, as he sprinted towards the Tyrone player before McKernans intervention?
Forker hasn't been in shit for the last few seasons. A similiar incident happened last week against Dublin all he would have done is shoved them off. He wasn't about to go over and punch him. Regardless, you cannot go on intention, that incident was hell of a lot worse than the O'Neill incident. Then you have Burns laying the knee into Grugan.
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
I thought Oisin spoke a lot of sense. Get on with the game and quit the mouthing and the shoving. Its all pointless anyway. Two lads throw a few shoves, then they turn around and go on their way. Having achieved what, exactly? You see it every single game with every single team. I'm sure at this stage you're getting it underage with kids copying these eejits.
You don't see soccer players pushing each other every time someone passes within two feet of them.
Its all performative bullshit. Purely for show. For whom exactly, I'm not sure.
Quote from: J70 on February 08, 2022, 12:50:06 AM
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
I thought Oisin spoke a lot of sense. Get on with the game and quit the mouthing and the shoving. Its all pointless anyway. Two lads throw a few shoves, then they turn around and go on their way. Having achieved what, exactly? You see it every single game with every single team. I'm sure at this stage you're getting it underage with kids copying these eejits.
You don't see soccer players pushing each other every time someone passes within two feet of them.
Its all performative bullshit. Purely for show. For whom exactly, I'm not sure.
Its in all grades under 16 and above, the kids are difficult to work with at times, then the lesser grades in adult games, everything is late and personal, football more so because of the physicality they always want some payback, but payback should be knocking the ball over the bar and moving on, retaliation will only bring cards and a breakdown of play!
Buy hey guys are thick and primal, but the best is that the ref didn't protect them and it was his fault for 'letting it go' losing games due to players being sent off, regardless of whether they get overturned or not, the punishment is done at the time and in most cases the team with a man or men advantage will win through, coaching has a lot to answer for, not the rule book
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2022, 10:06:58 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 09:50:34 PM
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
When did this occur?
Was a foul and no more tbh.
Rian got a tick against his name just before so in combination a yellow seemed fine. The Frank Burns yellow was the harshest I thought
Quote from: LCohen on February 08, 2022, 09:15:08 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2022, 10:06:58 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 09:50:34 PM
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
When did this occur?
Was a foul and no more tbh.
Rian got a tick against his name just before so in combination a yellow seemed fine. The Frank Burns yellow was the harshest I thought
Hadnt realised he got a tick, yellow maybe fair enough then.
What did Burns do? I know there was a booking for a high tackle on Rowland in the first half that was very harsh, Rowland threw the head back to buy the free and card, that could have been burns.
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 07, 2022, 11:37:07 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 10:17:14 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 07, 2022, 10:04:11 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 09:50:34 PM
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
When did this occur?
Probably the tackle Rian got his yellow card for. A bit of an exaggeration here but it was poor from Rian
Thought as much. I Suppose they think it was way worse when McKernan hauled Forker down to the ground.
What were Forker's intentions, do you think, as he sprinted towards the Tyrone player before McKernans intervention?
To take the free quickly if it was on?
Good foot passers taking quick frees if they are on is commonplace enough? Especially when the fouled player is still on the ground I am sure you would agree?
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 08, 2022, 09:33:49 AM
Quote from: LCohen on February 08, 2022, 09:15:08 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2022, 10:06:58 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 09:50:34 PM
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
When did this occur?
Was a foul and no more tbh.
Rian got a tick against his name just before so in combination a yellow seemed fine. The Frank Burns yellow was the harshest I thought
Hadnt realised he got a tick, yellow maybe fair enough then.
What did Burns do? I know there was a booking for a high tackle on Rowland in the first half that was very harsh, Rowland threw the head back to buy the free and card, that could have been burns.
Burns clattered into Grugan. Anything high is a yellow these days but the contact was completely accidental in my view
Quote from: J70 on February 08, 2022, 12:50:06 AM
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
I thought Oisin spoke a lot of sense. Get on with the game and quit the mouthing and the shoving. Its all pointless anyway. Two lads throw a few shoves, then they turn around and go on their way. Having achieved what, exactly? You see it every single game with every single team. I'm sure at this stage you're getting it underage with kids copying these eejits.
You don't see soccer players pushing each other every time someone passes within two feet of them.
Its all performative bullshit. Purely for show. For whom exactly, I'm not sure.
My thoughts exactly. It's tiresome and predictable at this stage. Just play the game!
McConville is right though. Armagh should not be downplaying their current form. They should be aiming for 2 or 3 All-Irelands in a row, especially with the form young Burns is in. They are a sensational outfit and Tyrone's All-Ireland last year will be a distant memory when the Orchard bring her home for the hat-trick in 2024. I'd worry about their hunger for 2025 but that will be Geezer's job to handle. I also think they've already tied up at least half a dozen All-Stars for this year and they should really be planning the winter holiday to Dubai now as the prices are great.
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2022, 11:42:22 AM
McConville is right though. Armagh should not be downplaying their current form. They should be aiming for 2 or 3 All-Irelands in a row, especially with the form young Burns is in. They are a sensational outfit and Tyrone's All-Ireland last year will be a distant memory when the Orchard bring her home for the hat-trick in 2024. I'd worry about their hunger for 2025 but that will be Geezer's job to handle. I also think they've already tied up at least half a dozen All-Stars for this year and they should really be planning the winter holiday to Dubai now as the prices are great.
You don't know how sentimental this post has made me feel! :'(
Quote from: J70 on February 08, 2022, 12:50:06 AM
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
I thought Oisin spoke a lot of sense. Get on with the game and quit the mouthing and the shoving. Its all pointless anyway. Two lads throw a few shoves, then they turn around and go on their way. Having achieved what, exactly? You see it every single game with every single team. I'm sure at this stage you're getting it underage with kids copying these eejits.
You don't see soccer players pushing each other every time someone passes within two feet of them.
Its all performative bullshit. Purely for show. For whom exactly, I'm not sure.
Agree with this, it's pointless and embarrassing. I've no problem with refs handing out reds if it helps stop it. The only issue I'd have on Sunday was that if you are enforcing this then it has to be applied to both sides and it clearly wasn't. And you have to enforce it across the board with every ref at every game.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 08, 2022, 12:12:38 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 08, 2022, 12:50:06 AM
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
I thought Oisin spoke a lot of sense. Get on with the game and quit the mouthing and the shoving. Its all pointless anyway. Two lads throw a few shoves, then they turn around and go on their way. Having achieved what, exactly? You see it every single game with every single team. I'm sure at this stage you're getting it underage with kids copying these eejits.
You don't see soccer players pushing each other every time someone passes within two feet of them.
Its all performative bullshit. Purely for show. For whom exactly, I'm not sure.
Agree with this, it's pointless and embarrassing. I've no problem with refs handing out reds if it helps stop it. The only issue I'd have on Sunday was that if you are enforcing this then it has to be applied to both sides and it clearly wasn't. And you have to enforce it across the board with every ref at every game.
I can confirm the shoving and off the ball antics is in underage football ... have watched several U11.5's jostling with each other before the game starts.
Quote from: balladmaker on February 08, 2022, 12:30:13 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 08, 2022, 12:12:38 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 08, 2022, 12:50:06 AM
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
I thought Oisin spoke a lot of sense. Get on with the game and quit the mouthing and the shoving. Its all pointless anyway. Two lads throw a few shoves, then they turn around and go on their way. Having achieved what, exactly? You see it every single game with every single team. I'm sure at this stage you're getting it underage with kids copying these eejits.
You don't see soccer players pushing each other every time someone passes within two feet of them.
Its all performative bullshit. Purely for show. For whom exactly, I'm not sure.
Agree with this, it's pointless and embarrassing. I've no problem with refs handing out reds if it helps stop it. The only issue I'd have on Sunday was that if you are enforcing this then it has to be applied to both sides and it clearly wasn't. And you have to enforce it across the board with every ref at every game.
I can confirm the shoving and off the ball antics is in underage football ... have watched several U11.5's jostling with each other before the game starts.
It's part and parcel- psychological thing as much as anything. Great clip of Kerry vs Mayo a few years ago Moran, Aidan O'Shea and whoever else was in midfield pushing and shoving pre throw up.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
When did this occur?
Was a foul and no more tbh.
Rian got a tick against his name just before so in combination a yellow seemed fine. The Frank Burns yellow was the harshest I thought
Hadnt realised he got a tick, yellow maybe fair enough then.
What did Burns do? I know there was a booking for a high tackle on Rowland in the first half that was very harsh, Rowland threw the head back to buy the free and card, that could have been burns.
Burns clattered into Grugan. Anything high is a yellow these days but the contact was completely accidental in my view
There was a knee used. He wasn't running on to his right foot and he put it up on purpose. Got a yellow for it so the referee did see it but if that connected with grugans face he would be out for the year
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Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 09:50:34 PM
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
When did this occur?
Was a foul and no more tbh.
Rian got a tick against his name just before so in combination a yellow seemed fine. The Frank Burns yellow was the harshest I thought
Hadnt realised he got a tick, yellow maybe fair enough then.
What did Burns do? I know there was a booking for a high tackle on Rowland in the first half that was very harsh, Rowland threw the head back to buy the free and card, that could have been burns.
Burns clattered into Grugan. Anything high is a yellow these days but the contact was completely accidental in my view
There was a knee used. He wasn't running on to his right foot and he put it up on purpose. Got a yellow for it so the referee did see it but if that connected with grugans face he would be out for the year
Any clips of this? Honestly don't remember it
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 08, 2022, 12:12:38 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 08, 2022, 12:50:06 AM
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
I thought Oisin spoke a lot of sense. Get on with the game and quit the mouthing and the shoving. Its all pointless anyway. Two lads throw a few shoves, then they turn around and go on their way. Having achieved what, exactly? You see it every single game with every single team. I'm sure at this stage you're getting it underage with kids copying these eejits.
You don't see soccer players pushing each other every time someone passes within two feet of them.
Its all performative bullshit. Purely for show. For whom exactly, I'm not sure.
Agree with this, it's pointless and embarrassing. I've no problem with refs handing out reds if it helps stop it. The only issue I'd have on Sunday was that if you are enforcing this then it has to be applied to both sides and it clearly wasn't. And you have to enforce it across the board with every ref at every game.
Take this thread as an example, so many things were seen and not seen, by ones there and those watching on TV, then the ones watched on recorded phones pitch side. The referee or the referee's across the country get one go at getting it right, they also have their own view on whether it was on purpose or not, and the referee's are just like you, supporters/players fans of GAA, they are professionals , they want a easy game, go home and put the feet up with a glass of red
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Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 09:50:34 PM
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
When did this occur?
Was a foul and no more tbh.
Rian got a tick against his name just before so in combination a yellow seemed fine. The Frank Burns yellow was the harshest I thought
Hadnt realised he got a tick, yellow maybe fair enough then.
What did Burns do? I know there was a booking for a high tackle on Rowland in the first half that was very harsh, Rowland threw the head back to buy the free and card, that could have been burns.
Burns clattered into Grugan. Anything high is a yellow these days but the contact was completely accidental in my view
There was a knee used. He wasn't running on to his right foot and he put it up on purpose. Got a yellow for it so the referee did see it but if that connected with grugans face he would be out for the year
Burns was unlucky. From memory he got a push from Meyler which caused him to clatter Grugan
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Quote from: Solo_run on February 07, 2022, 09:50:34 PM
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
When did this occur?
Was a foul and no more tbh.
Rian got a tick against his name just before so in combination a yellow seemed fine. The Frank Burns yellow was the harshest I thought
Hadnt realised he got a tick, yellow maybe fair enough then.
What did Burns do? I know there was a booking for a high tackle on Rowland in the first half that was very harsh, Rowland threw the head back to buy the free and card, that could have been burns.
Burns clattered into Grugan. Anything high is a yellow these days but the contact was completely accidental in my view
There was a knee used. He wasn't running on to his right foot and he put it up on purpose. Got a yellow for it so the referee did see it but if that connected with grugans face he would be out for the year
Burns was unlucky. From memory he got a push from Meyler which caused him to clatter Grugan
Just seen the clip of this on another forum. It was totally deliberate, lifted the knee into him and should have been a straight red although very hard to call in real time.
I've seen that video and still think he was unlucky.
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 08, 2022, 02:29:27 PM
I've seen that video and still think he was unlucky.
The knee was lifted and turned into Grugan's direction.
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 08, 2022, 02:29:27 PM
I've seen that video and still think he was unlucky.
Likewise, I seen the video too and don't see the intent.
However, for all of the Tyrone fans getting very cross about the 4 sendings off and the lost opportunity to eat into Armagh's lead, I haven't heard one of you criticise Peter Harte for his role in the row.
See below.
https://vimeo.com/674491020?from=outro-embed
I think by now everyone has seen the phone footage of the headlock.
Tyrone fans complaining about the red cards after starting the row is a bit like the DUP complaining about the protocol after asking for Brexit. ::)
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Quote from: tonto1888 on February 08, 2022, 02:29:27 PM
I've seen that video and still think he was unlucky.
Likewise, I seen the video too and don't see the intent.
However, for all of the Tyrone fans getting very cross about the 4 sendings off and the lost opportunity to eat into Armagh's lead, I haven't heard one of you criticise Peter Harte for his role in the row.
See below.
https://vimeo.com/674491020?from=outro-embed
Tyrone fans complaining about the red cards after starting the row is a bit like the DUP complaining about the protocol after asking for Brexit. ::)
This one needs to go in the great spakes thread.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on February 08, 2022, 11:49:20 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2022, 11:42:22 AM
McConville is right though. Armagh should not be downplaying their current form. They should be aiming for 2 or 3 All-Irelands in a row, especially with the form young Burns is in. They are a sensational outfit and Tyrone's All-Ireland last year will be a distant memory when the Orchard bring her home for the hat-trick in 2024. I'd worry about their hunger for 2025 but that will be Geezer's job to handle. I also think they've already tied up at least half a dozen All-Stars for this year and they should really be planning the winter holiday to Dubai now as the prices are great.
You don't know how sentimental this post has made me feel! :'(
There is a rumour going around the Moy that we have taken the freehold on a place in Dubai. Should work out cheaper in the long run. Though there may be a charge to line the streets for the first 3 or 4 AI home comings.
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Quote from: J70 on February 08, 2022, 12:50:06 AM
Quote from: The Trap on February 07, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=faLFnVvaCis
Rules must have changed over over winter.......1 red card each for this one even after video evidence reviewed........in fairness you could.probably find hundreds of examples of this.....
Colm O'Rourke and Oisin Mcconville talking a lot of nonsense......wouldn't have to go too far to find a video of Meath or Crossmaglen in worse hanlins!
Most dangerous tackle in the game was Rian ONeill on Brian Kennedy when he was bending down to pick up the ball...... potential neck breaker.......
Anyway far too much coverage on tv, social media, podcasts etc and everybody spouting nonsense......i
I thought Oisin spoke a lot of sense. Get on with the game and quit the mouthing and the shoving. Its all pointless anyway. Two lads throw a few shoves, then they turn around and go on their way. Having achieved what, exactly? You see it every single game with every single team. I'm sure at this stage you're getting it underage with kids copying these eejits.
You don't see soccer players pushing each other every time someone passes within two feet of them.
Its all performative bullshit. Purely for show. For whom exactly, I'm not sure.
Agree with this, it's pointless and embarrassing. I've no problem with refs handing out reds if it helps stop it. The only issue I'd have on Sunday was that if you are enforcing this then it has to be applied to both sides and it clearly wasn't. And you have to enforce it across the board with every ref at every game.
I would tweak that only very slightly.
The ref and his team have to try and enforce the rules equally. In a melee it is no doubt difficult to see actions clearly and clearly identify the culprit. Some guilty players will get away with it and no innocent player should be penalised. But if you know someone is guilty the punishment cannot be forewent to balance things out.
Maybe not a popular view but I think the referee was showboating a little bit, he sent off Mc Geary last year for nothing as well. I was above all the incidents and there was mostly pushing and shoving and a few players were thrown around like wet bags... aggressive yes but some say that the Armagh goalie should have seen red. All the Armagh ones around us were shouting at the ref to send off Mc Shane and Canavan which was ridiculous and so far off the mark. Harte wrestled but didnt strike, no worse than Clifford on Sat night despite all the hysteria. Tyrone should never have gotten sucked into it and just like 2005 Armagh get away pretty much scot free.
We are great pushers though...
Quote from: rrhf on February 08, 2022, 04:47:22 PM
Maybe not a popular view but I think the referee was showboating a little bit, he sent off Mc Geary last year for nothing as well. I was above all the incidents and there was mostly pushing and shoving and a few players were thrown around like wet bags... aggressive yes but some say that the Armagh goalie should have seen red. All the Armagh ones around us were shouting at the ref to send off Mc Shane and Canavan which was ridiculous and so far off the mark. Harte wrestled but didnt strike, no worse than Clifford on Sat night despite all the hysteria. Tyrone should never have gotten sucked into it and just like 2005 Armagh get away pretty much scot free.
We are great pushers though...
To be honest I saw nothing either live or in the videos of the "melee" that deserved a red card. Gough as usual has to be the centre of attention.
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Quote from: rrhf on February 08, 2022, 04:47:22 PM
Maybe not a popular view but I think the referee was showboating a little bit, he sent off Mc Geary last year for nothing as well. I was above all the incidents and there was mostly pushing and shoving and a few players were thrown around like wet bags... aggressive yes but some say that the Armagh goalie should have seen red. All the Armagh ones around us were shouting at the ref to send off Mc Shane and Canavan which was ridiculous and so far off the mark. Harte wrestled but didnt strike, no worse than Clifford on Sat night despite all the hysteria. Tyrone should never have gotten sucked into it and just like 2005 Armagh get away pretty much scot free.
We are great pushers though...
To be honest I saw nothing either live or in the videos of the "melee" that deserved a red card. Gough as usual has to be the centre of attention.
Then give the rule book another rattle
Video on Vimeo shows McShane starting the whole melee by grabbing McCabe by the neck and dragging him down.
Glad to see McKernan especially getting the line. Sunbedded mouth is all he is. Goading for 70mins, then goes down clutching his face 2/3 times a game. Not too dissimilar to R.McHugh from Donegal.
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Quote from: rrhf on February 08, 2022, 04:47:22 PM
Maybe not a popular view but I think the referee was showboating a little bit, he sent off Mc Geary last year for nothing as well. I was above all the incidents and there was mostly pushing and shoving and a few players were thrown around like wet bags... aggressive yes but some say that the Armagh goalie should have seen red. All the Armagh ones around us were shouting at the ref to send off Mc Shane and Canavan which was ridiculous and so far off the mark. Harte wrestled but didnt strike, no worse than Clifford on Sat night despite all the hysteria. Tyrone should never have gotten sucked into it and just like 2005 Armagh get away pretty much scot free.
We are great pushers though...
To be honest I saw nothing either live or in the videos of the "melee" that deserved a red card. Gough as usual has to be the centre of attention.
Pat mceneaney has watched it closely and believes that David Gough was 100% correct with his decisions and should be backed in the appeals. Some of the choke holds which I saw deserve at the least a 2 match ban. The one thing I'd say is that this needs to be clarified and there needs to be consistent application for the rest of the season.
Quote from: rrhf on February 08, 2022, 04:47:22 PM
Maybe not a popular view but I think the referee was showboating a little bit, he sent off Mc Geary last year for nothing as well. I was above all the incidents and there was mostly pushing and shoving and a few players were thrown around like wet bags... aggressive yes but some say that the Armagh goalie should have seen red. All the Armagh ones around us were shouting at the ref to send off Mc Shane and Canavan which was ridiculous and so far off the mark. Harte wrestled but didnt strike, no worse than Clifford on Sat night despite all the hysteria. Tyrone should never have gotten sucked into it and just like 2005 Armagh get away pretty much scot free.
We are great pushers though...
Jesus Tyronies still going on about this. It was not in Armagh's interest to start a row, there's a poster on the orchard county forum who has taken the time to show exactly who did what using stills - pretty explicit who started what and who else got involved. Just take your batin and worry about the next match
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Quote from: Armagh18 on February 08, 2022, 04:56:27 PM
Quote from: rrhf on February 08, 2022, 04:47:22 PM
Maybe not a popular view but I think the referee was showboating a little bit, he sent off Mc Geary last year for nothing as well. I was above all the incidents and there was mostly pushing and shoving and a few players were thrown around like wet bags... aggressive yes but some say that the Armagh goalie should have seen red. All the Armagh ones around us were shouting at the ref to send off Mc Shane and Canavan which was ridiculous and so far off the mark. Harte wrestled but didnt strike, no worse than Clifford on Sat night despite all the hysteria. Tyrone should never have gotten sucked into it and just like 2005 Armagh get away pretty much scot free.
We are great pushers though...
To be honest I saw nothing either live or in the videos of the "melee" that deserved a red card. Gough as usual has to be the centre of attention.
Pat mceneaney has watched it closely and believes that David Gough was 100% correct with his decisions and should be backed in the appeals. Some of the choke holds which I saw deserve at the least a 2 match ban. The one thing I'd say is that this needs to be clarified and there needs to be consistent application for the rest of the season.
Did Pat take the time to look at david Clifford etc on Sat night. Or is he drawn in by the hysteria also. People who are inconsistent with their approach have little to offer.
Final point on the matter. Armagh really impressed me, they are a competitor and they can win ulster and they can have a go at the big guy.. the game v kerry is all they have to learn from now... probably the last time I felt this way was 2002.. Mc Geeney has truly united the county by appreciating how big Cross are but that there players had to buy in and tow the line like everyone else ..I begrudgingly like the feckers.
Quote from: rrhf on February 08, 2022, 08:31:53 PM
Final point on the matter. Armagh really impressed me, they are a competitor and they can win ulster and they can have a go at the big guy.. the game v kerry is all they have to learn from now... probably the last time I felt this way was 2002.. Mc Geeney has truly united the county by appreciating how big Cross are but that there players had to buy in and tow the line like everyone else ..I begrudgingly like the feckers.
I would love to have a repeat if the mid noughties rivalry with Tyrone Armagh matches and the sheer joy of winning and the gut wrenching fear of losing.. Hated it but loved it at the same time.
Quote from: general_lee on February 08, 2022, 07:42:19 PM
Quote from: rrhf on February 08, 2022, 04:47:22 PM
Maybe not a popular view but I think the referee was showboating a little bit, he sent off Mc Geary last year for nothing as well. I was above all the incidents and there was mostly pushing and shoving and a few players were thrown around like wet bags... aggressive yes but some say that the Armagh goalie should have seen red. All the Armagh ones around us were shouting at the ref to send off Mc Shane and Canavan which was ridiculous and so far off the mark. Harte wrestled but didnt strike, no worse than Clifford on Sat night despite all the hysteria. Tyrone should never have gotten sucked into it and just like 2005 Armagh get away pretty much scot free.
We are great pushers though...
Jesus Tyronies still going on about this. It was not in Armagh's interest to start a row, there's a poster on the orchard county forum who has taken the time to show exactly who did what using stills - pretty explicit who started what and who else got involved. Just take your batin and worry about the next match
Bit of wrestling, didnt see any punches thrown but happy to stand corrected.
Quote from: rrhf on February 08, 2022, 08:31:53 PM
Final point on the matter. Armagh really impressed me, they are a competitor and they can win ulster and they can have a go at the big guy.. the game v kerry is all they have to learn from now... probably the last time I felt this way was 2002.. Mc Geeney has truly united the county by appreciating how big Cross are but that there players had to buy in and tow the line like everyone else ..I begrudgingly like the feckers.
Ye know, I felt the same about Tyrone last year
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 08, 2022, 08:57:37 PM
Quote from: rrhf on February 08, 2022, 08:31:53 PM
Final point on the matter. Armagh really impressed me, they are a competitor and they can win ulster and they can have a go at the big guy.. the game v kerry is all they have to learn from now... probably the last time I felt this way was 2002.. Mc Geeney has truly united the county by appreciating how big Cross are but that there players had to buy in and tow the line like everyone else ..I begrudgingly like the feckers.
I would love to have a repeat if the mid noughties rivalry with Tyrone Armagh matches and the sheer joy of winning and the gut wrenching fear of losing.. Hated it but loved it at the same time.
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 08, 2022, 08:57:37 PM
Quote from: rrhf on February 08, 2022, 08:31:53 PM
Final point on the matter. Armagh really impressed me, they are a competitor and they can win ulster and they can have a go at the big guy.. the game v kerry is all they have to learn from now... probably the last time I felt this way was 2002.. Mc Geeney has truly united the county by appreciating how big Cross are but that there players had to buy in and tow the line like everyone else ..I begrudgingly like the feckers.
I would love to have a repeat if the mid noughties rivalry with Tyrone Armagh matches and the sheer joy of winning and the gut wrenching fear of losing.. Hated it but loved it at the same time.
Would be deadly great rivalry modern young lads don't know how to contain the beans just yet..ý
Quote from: rrhf on February 08, 2022, 09:25:11 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 08, 2022, 08:57:37 PM
Quote from: rrhf on February 08, 2022, 08:31:53 PM
Final point on the matter. Armagh really impressed me, they are a competitor and they can win ulster and they can have a go at the big guy.. the game v kerry is all they have to learn from now... probably the last time I felt this way was 2002.. Mc Geeney has truly united the county by appreciating how big Cross are but that there players had to buy in and tow the line like everyone else ..I begrudgingly like the feckers.
I would love to have a repeat if the mid noughties rivalry with Tyrone Armagh matches and the sheer joy of winning and the gut wrenching fear of losing.. Hated it but loved it at the same time.
Would be deadly great rivalry modern young lads don't know how to contain the beans just yet..ý
We'll have to have a rivalry with Tyrone, DOwn are crap, Louth are worse and we don't like to be too mean to Monaghan people.
Armagh played the better football and were deserved winners. If the red cards stick and this is the new standard so be it and I welcome it. Pushing and shoving is silly stuff and does most people's heads in.
If this is the standard then all we ask for is consistency however the only consistent thing about refs standard and how the rules are enforced is that it is inconsistent.
That's a fair point.. free the drumarg 4 or just cheerlead for consistency from refs
I have to say grabbing someone by the neck and dragging them to the ground has to be a red card offence. The fact that it was a Tyrone man or men who carried out this act does not make my view any different. If it was a player from any other county I would be supporting the ref 100%. Time this guff was cut out of our game
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 08, 2022, 10:25:19 PM
Armagh played the better football and were deserved winners. If the red cards stick and this is the new standard so be it and I welcome it. Pushing and shoving is silly stuff and does most people's heads in.
If this is the standard then all we ask for is consistency however the only consistent thing about refs standard and how the rules are enforced is that it is inconsistent.
What about some consistency from the players? Play within rules and you'll have less hassle? I don't know if that's a goer to be fair so let's all blame the ref's for being inconsistent
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2022, 11:42:47 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 08, 2022, 10:25:19 PM
Armagh played the better football and were deserved winners. If the red cards stick and this is the new standard so be it and I welcome it. Pushing and shoving is silly stuff and does most people's heads in.
If this is the standard then all we ask for is consistency however the only consistent thing about refs standard and how the rules are enforced is that it is inconsistent.
What about some consistency from the players? Play within rules and you'll have less hassle? I don't know if that's a goer to be fair so let's all blame the ref's for being inconsistent
Ah come on now so you are asking 30 players on the pitch all wanting to win a game to be consistent instead of the ref. How many times have you seen poor decisions from the ref in the same game never mind between refs.
If all players were saints and played within the rules you wouldnt need a ref in the first place.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 08, 2022, 10:25:19 PM
Armagh played the better football and were deserved winners. If the red cards stick and this is the new standard so be it and I welcome it. Pushing and shoving is silly stuff and does most people's heads in.
If this is the standard then all we ask for is consistency however the only consistent thing about refs standard and how the rules are enforced is that it is inconsistent.
Should have been red cards for Kerry and Dublin then.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 09, 2022, 06:50:32 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 08, 2022, 10:25:19 PM
Armagh played the better football and were deserved winners. If the red cards stick and this is the new standard so be it and I welcome it. Pushing and shoving is silly stuff and does most people's heads in.
If this is the standard then all we ask for is consistency however the only consistent thing about refs standard and how the rules are enforced is that it is inconsistent.
Should have been red cards for Kerry and Dublin then.
Were there any choke holds in the Kerry Dublin game? If there were they should definitely have been red cards also.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 09, 2022, 06:47:28 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2022, 11:42:47 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 08, 2022, 10:25:19 PM
Armagh played the better football and were deserved winners. If the red cards stick and this is the new standard so be it and I welcome it. Pushing and shoving is silly stuff and does most people's heads in.
If this is the standard then all we ask for is consistency however the only consistent thing about refs standard and how the rules are enforced is that it is inconsistent.
What about some consistency from the players? Play within rules and you'll have less hassle? I don't know if that's a goer to be fair so let's all blame the ref's for being inconsistent
Ah come on now so you are asking 30 players on the pitch all wanting to win a game to be consistent instead of the ref. How many times have you seen poor decisions from the ref in the same game never mind between refs.
If all players were saints and played within the rules you wouldnt need a ref in the first place.
I see plenty of poor decisions by players and managers week in week out, but I suppose it's easier to blame the ref... he's not going out to make a mistake he's looking to have a good game, just like the player, he's a job to go to the next day and this is a sport which is not professional
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Armagh played the better football and were deserved winners. If the red cards stick and this is the new standard so be it and I welcome it. Pushing and shoving is silly stuff and does most people's heads in.
If this is the standard then all we ask for is consistency however the only consistent thing about refs standard and how the rules are enforced is that it is inconsistent.
What about some consistency from the players? Play within rules and you'll have less hassle? I don't know if that's a goer to be fair so let's all blame the ref's for being inconsistent
Ah come on now so you are asking 30 players on the pitch all wanting to win a game to be consistent instead of the ref. How many times have you seen poor decisions from the ref in the same game never mind between refs.
If all players were saints and played within the rules you wouldnt need a ref in the first place.
I see plenty of poor decisions by players and managers week in week out, but I suppose it's easier to blame the ref... he's not going out to make a mistake he's looking to have a good game, just like the player, he's a job to go to the next day and this is a sport which is not professional
Yes and the team who makes the poor decisions will suffer for it. What shouldn't happened is teams losing games due to poor ref decisions as 1 bad decision can end a teams season.
I get it you are a ref but refusing to take any responsibility doesn't help the issue.
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Armagh played the better football and were deserved winners. If the red cards stick and this is the new standard so be it and I welcome it. Pushing and shoving is silly stuff and does most people's heads in.
If this is the standard then all we ask for is consistency however the only consistent thing about refs standard and how the rules are enforced is that it is inconsistent.
Should have been red cards for Kerry and Dublin then.
Absolutely I agree. . Again the problem is consistency, there simply isn't any.
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Armagh played the better football and were deserved winners. If the red cards stick and this is the new standard so be it and I welcome it. Pushing and shoving is silly stuff and does most people's heads in.
If this is the standard then all we ask for is consistency however the only consistent thing about refs standard and how the rules are enforced is that it is inconsistent.
Should have been red cards for Kerry and Dublin then.
Absolutely I agree. . Again the problem is consistency, there simply isn't any.
Some inconsistency is inevitable. Referees cannot see everything clearly in the middle of a game and they have bad days and good days just like players. However, consistency on things like melees would be very welcome, even then it is hard to see the detail on the day without the benefit of slow motion replay. As I said, someone who comes from a distance to join a melee should be thought to be contributing to it, there is no need to run up half the length of the field to get involved. But teams could set a standard too, they could tell their players that if they do join in a melee that they will not be trying to get the off.
If the red cards stick then surely they will have to revisit the Kerry/Dublin game.
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If the red cards stick then surely they will have to revisit the Kerry/Dublin game.
Sure that was fine manly stuff altogether not like those dorty northerners...
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Quote from: tyrone08 on February 08, 2022, 10:25:19 PM
Armagh played the better football and were deserved winners. If the red cards stick and this is the new standard so be it and I welcome it. Pushing and shoving is silly stuff and does most people's heads in.
If this is the standard then all we ask for is consistency however the only consistent thing about refs standard and how the rules are enforced is that it is inconsistent.
Should have been red cards for Kerry and Dublin then.
Absolutely I agree. . Again the problem is consistency, there simply isn't any.
Some inconsistency is inevitable. Referees cannot see everything clearly in the middle of a game and they have bad days and good days just like players. However, consistency on things like melees would be very welcome, even then it is hard to see the detail on the day without the benefit of slow motion replay. As I said, someone who comes from a distance to join a melee should be thought to be contributing to it, there is no need to run up half the length of the field to get involved. But teams could set a standard too, they could tell their players that if they do join in a melee that they will not be trying to get the off.
While I agree with the sentiment there is little to no chance of that ever happening.
Imagine Kerry lost Clifford before the AIF
Love how a pretty tame incident happens in a game (if gough hadn't of dished out the 4 reds no one would even be talking about it) and now everyone is saying it's a scourge of the game and we need rule changes to sort it out. The game is a contact sport, inevitably when adrenaline is high and with the nature of the sport there are going to be spill overs like what happened on Sunday, it's not a new issue 20 or 30 years ago teams done it and the players would have had no issue striking which was an issue.
It wasn't the only game last weekend with this sort of incident, but with the two ulster teams playing everyone jumps on the bandwagon and its a horrible side of the game. It's a non issue, everyone does it, as long as they aren't striking who really cares.
Quote from: 03,05,08 on February 09, 2022, 11:49:53 AM
Love how a pretty tame incident happens in a game (if gough hadn't of dished out the 4 reds no one would even be talking about it) and now everyone is saying it's a scourge of the game and we need rule changes to sort it out. The game is a contact sport, inevitably when adrenaline is high and with the nature of the sport there are going to be spill overs like what happened on Sunday, it's not a new issue 20 or 30 years ago teams done it and the players would have had no issue striking which was an issue.
It wasn't the only game last weekend with this sort of incident, but with the two ulster teams playing everyone jumps on the bandwagon and its a horrible side of the game. It's a non issue, everyone does it, as long as they aren't striking who really cares.
Agreed. Total non issue but suits Armagh well because no one is talking about how good we were. Heads down and on to the next one. 2 more wins required.
Quote from: 03,05,08 on February 09, 2022, 11:49:53 AM
Love how a pretty tame incident happens in a game (if gough hadn't of dished out the 4 reds no one would even be talking about it) and now everyone is saying it's a scourge of the game and we need rule changes to sort it out. The game is a contact sport, inevitably when adrenaline is high and with the nature of the sport there are going to be spill overs like what happened on Sunday, it's not a new issue 20 or 30 years ago teams done it and the players would have had no issue striking which was an issue.
It wasn't the only game last weekend with this sort of incident, but with the two ulster teams playing everyone jumps on the bandwagon and its a horrible side of the game. It's a non issue, everyone does it, as long as they aren't striking who really cares.
It's very much an issue though. You think choking an opposing player around the neck is acceptable? There are rules in place already which deems physical altercations with an opposing player as a red card and a 1 game band.
Of course its a contact sport, but not this kind of contact. Adrenaline is no excuse, spill overs do occur, hence rules in place and subsequent punishment. Every single pundit Inc Tyrone and Armagh former County men on podcasts since Sunday would completely disagree with your view
Quote from: 03,05,08 on February 09, 2022, 11:49:53 AM
Love how a pretty tame incident happens in a game (if gough hadn't of dished out the 4 reds no one would even be talking about it) and now everyone is saying it's a scourge of the game and we need rule changes to sort it out. The game is a contact sport, inevitably when adrenaline is high and with the nature of the sport there are going to be spill overs like what happened on Sunday, it's not a new issue 20 or 30 years ago teams done it and the players would have had no issue striking which was an issue.
It wasn't the only game last weekend with this sort of incident, but with the two ulster teams playing everyone jumps on the bandwagon and its a horrible side of the game. It's a non issue, everyone does it, as long as they aren't striking who really cares.
It is a contact sport, it isn't wrestling.
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Quote from: 03,05,08 on February 09, 2022, 11:49:53 AM
Love how a pretty tame incident happens in a game (if gough hadn't of dished out the 4 reds no one would even be talking about it) and now everyone is saying it's a scourge of the game and we need rule changes to sort it out. The game is a contact sport, inevitably when adrenaline is high and with the nature of the sport there are going to be spill overs like what happened on Sunday, it's not a new issue 20 or 30 years ago teams done it and the players would have had no issue striking which was an issue.
It wasn't the only game last weekend with this sort of incident, but with the two ulster teams playing everyone jumps on the bandwagon and its a horrible side of the game. It's a non issue, everyone does it, as long as they aren't striking who really cares.
It's very much an issue though. You think choking an opposing player around the neck is acceptable? There are rules in place already which deems physical altercations with an opposing player as a red card and a 1 game band.
Of course its a contact sport, but not this kind of contact. Adrenaline is no excuse, spill overs do occur, hence rules in place and subsequent punishment. Every single pundit Inc Tyrone and Armagh former County men on podcasts since Sunday would completely disagree with your view
Dublin v kerry in the league 2019 and 2016 had very similar incidents if not worse, Donegal v kerry a few years ago Neill McGee tried to break a players fingers and all hell broke lose and there were also several incidents worse than this, Padraig O'hora flipped over shane walsh off the ball and effectively ended his championship last year. No one cared and it was never an issue until now as it didn't suit the narrative, I have no issue with refs if they want to send off players for that sort of stuff but there was no massive outcry for it until last weekend, and there won't be that amount of red cards handed out to any other teams this year regardless if it happens again.
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Quote from: 03,05,08 on February 09, 2022, 11:49:53 AM
Love how a pretty tame incident happens in a game (if gough hadn't of dished out the 4 reds no one would even be talking about it) and now everyone is saying it's a scourge of the game and we need rule changes to sort it out. The game is a contact sport, inevitably when adrenaline is high and with the nature of the sport there are going to be spill overs like what happened on Sunday, it's not a new issue 20 or 30 years ago teams done it and the players would have had no issue striking which was an issue.
It wasn't the only game last weekend with this sort of incident, but with the two ulster teams playing everyone jumps on the bandwagon and its a horrible side of the game. It's a non issue, everyone does it, as long as they aren't striking who really cares.
It's very much an issue though. You think choking an opposing player around the neck is acceptable? There are rules in place already which deems physical altercations with an opposing player as a red card and a 1 game band.
Of course its a contact sport, but not this kind of contact. Adrenaline is no excuse, spill overs do occur, hence rules in place and subsequent punishment. Every single pundit Inc Tyrone and Armagh former County men on podcasts since Sunday would completely disagree with your view
Dublin v kerry in the league 2019 and 2016 had very similar incidents if not worse, Donegal v kerry a few years ago Neill McGee tried to break a players fingers and all hell broke lose and there were also several incidents worse than this, Padraig O'hora flipped over shane walsh off the ball and effectively ended his championship last year. No one cared and it was never an issue until now as it didn't suit the narrative, I have no issue with refs if they want to send off players for that sort of stuff but there was no massive outcry for it until last weekend, and there won't be that amount of red cards handed out to any other teams this year regardless if it happens again.
You're bringing up examples from 2016 and 2019. Read the updated rule book re physical interference. Suits what or who's narrative exactly?
I've no problem if the rules are applied consistently and this is a new directive to tidy up the game. But given there was other incidents at the weekend not mentioned by the media or dealt with as strongly by the referee it's hard not to question the punishment v what has happened elsewhere.
Tyrone always seem to be treated differently to other counties and always seem to set an example with them. The first case of video evidence to convict someone post game was against a Tyrone player, the first time anyone ever was done for diving post game was a Tyrone player and the first time the gaa ever handed out a 6 week ban instead of the normal 4 week one was against a Tyrone player. I know rivals will say Tyrone are worse than everyone else etc but it's hard not to feel like they get treated differently from both the media and gaa.
Redhand I have to agree with all of that. Anyone at the match that I have been talking to both dyed in the wool Armagh men and Tyrone supporters were totally bemused at the red card total. A direct comparison with Saturday nights game between Kerry and Dublin I believe points to a major inconsistency in how certain teams and fixtures are refereed compared to others. Whilst there will always have to be a spirit of fair, brought by the players, the consistency of officialdom is the essential forerunner to any other matter here, and may be the major issue we all need to get together and help each other out on. It is in all our interests to recognise if there is an issue, to bring this to the forefront and get this right.
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I've no problem if the rules are applied consistently and this is a new directive to tidy up the game. But given there was other incidents at the weekend not mentioned by the media or dealt with as strongly by the referee it's hard not to question the punishment v what has happened elsewhere.
Tyrone always seem to be treated differently to other counties and always seem to set an example with them. The first case of video evidence to convict someone post game was against a Tyrone player, the first time anyone ever was done for diving post game was a Tyrone player and the first time the gaa ever handed out a 6 week ban instead of the normal 4 week one was against a Tyrone player. I know rivals will say Tyrone are worse than everyone else etc but it's hard not to feel like they get treated differently from both the media and gaa.
Agree entirely with your first sentence, the problem is there has never been, to my knowledge, any such directive relating to any of the rules.
In AFL, there is an umpiring committee that reviews contentious decisions and publishes how they would like those scenarios be umpired. When they decide there will be a clamp down on certain types of behaviour, they tell the clubs in advance. This would be invaluable in GAA, especially in the case of a tackle where the ball carrier is surrounded by tacklers.
People always decry the fact that the tackle is poorly defined, but have a go and see if you can do it any better. I think a group releasing examples of what is/isn't a foul would make things much easier for referees
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Redhand I have to agree with all of that. Anyone at the match that I have been talking to both dyed in the wool Armagh men and Tyrone supporters were totally bemused at the red card total. A direct comparison with Saturday nights game between Kerry and Dublin I believe points to a major inconsistency in how certain teams and fixtures are refereed compared to others. Whilst there will always have to be a spirit of fair, brought by the players, the consistency of officialdom is the essential forerunner to any other matter here, and may be the major issue we all need to get together and help each other out on. It is in all our interests to recognise if there is an issue, to bring this to the forefront and get this right.
I was bemused at it as well .... but did get a chuckle at the 4 fella's trudging off as the crowd sang 'Cheerio, cheerio, cheerio' :-)
An anagram of Tyrone Armagh is Great Harmony and I think they need to get together as counties and move as one on the issue of children being traumatised by Sunday's skulduggery. Possibly visit primary school and do role-playing on how to behave in melees or not doing McGregors on people you hate etc.
Another anagram of Tyrone Armagh is Thy Oranger Ma and I think the women in the crowd need to be thinking about their behaviour. The woman beside me was literally foaming at the mouth. Like there was real foam. And she was calling Hampsey a tr**p.
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An anagram of Tyrone Armagh is Great Harmony and I think they need to get together as counties and move as one on the issue of children being traumatised by Sunday's skulduggery. Possibly visit primary school and do role-playing on how to behave in melees or not doing McGregors on people you hate etc.
Another anagram of Tyrone Armagh is Thy Oranger Ma and I think the women in the crowd need to be thinking about their behaviour. The woman beside me was literally foaming at the mouth. Like there was real foam. And she was calling Hampsey a tr**p.
A Tyrone woman, whom I wouldn't want to fall out with, was going to batter all round her just before the melee started, thankfully that distracted her much to her husbands relief, as well as the Armagh man in the row in front of her who had detected much earlier in the game that she was easy to wind up :-)
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Quote from: Olly on February 09, 2022, 03:16:57 PM
An anagram of Tyrone Armagh is Great Harmony and I think they need to get together as counties and move as one on the issue of children being traumatised by Sunday's skulduggery. Possibly visit primary school and do role-playing on how to behave in melees or not doing McGregors on people you hate etc.
Another anagram of Tyrone Armagh is Thy Oranger Ma and I think the women in the crowd need to be thinking about their behaviour. The woman beside me was literally foaming at the mouth. Like there was real foam. And she was calling Hampsey a tr**p.
A Tyrone woman, whom I wouldn't want to fall out with, was going to batter all round her just before the melee started, thankfully that distracted her much to her husbands relief, as well as the Armagh man in the row in front of her who had detected much earlier in the game that she was easy to wind up :-)
Was that the same doll who was famous for her battering umbrella a few years back.
Think she was from The Hill
Ferg will be reading tightly that referee report incoming from Slane.
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Armagh played the better football and were deserved winners. If the red cards stick and this is the new standard so be it and I welcome it. Pushing and shoving is silly stuff and does most people's heads in.
If this is the standard then all we ask for is consistency however the only consistent thing about refs standard and how the rules are enforced is that it is inconsistent.
What about some consistency from the players? Play within rules and you'll have less hassle? I don't know if that's a goer to be fair so let's all blame the ref's for being inconsistent
Ah come on now so you are asking 30 players on the pitch all wanting to win a game to be consistent instead of the ref. How many times have you seen poor decisions from the ref in the same game never mind between refs.
If all players were saints and played within the rules you wouldnt need a ref in the first place.
I see plenty of poor decisions by players and managers week in week out, but I suppose it's easier to blame the ref... he's not going out to make a mistake he's looking to have a good game, just like the player, he's a job to go to the next day and this is a sport which is not professional
Yes and the team who makes the poor decisions will suffer for it. What shouldn't happened is teams losing games due to poor ref decisions as 1 bad decision can end a teams season.
I get it you are a ref but refusing to take any responsibility doesn't help the issue.
Before ref'ing (and during it) I was a player/supporter/manager, the ref is part of the game, he'll make mistakes but players have to take responsibility of their actions and stop hiding behind comments its handbags and no digs were thrown and those other lazy comments, the rules are simple for red cards, joining a melee is a red card by the rule book, dangerous actions towards a player is a red card you can argue that more players should have walked but you can't argue over the ref at the weekend for the cards he did show.
If the ref were to apply the rules to a T we'd have more red cards every week, common sense is different and some are applauded for it and others are told they are not consistent with other ref's!
So going back to coaching, at training tell the players let them fight it out on their own don't be joining in, if he's big enough to start a jostling session then let him finish it. One in all in is daft
Quote from: clarshack on February 09, 2022, 11:35:33 AM
If the red cards stick then surely they will have to revisit the Kerry/Dublin game.
The whataboutery in this thread are reaching epic proportions.
There were at least 6 chokeholds in the Tyrone-Armagh melee and at least three of those involved throwing the player to the ground while in a chokehold. They deserved red cards. If there were players in chokeholds thrown to the ground in other games then they deserved red cards as well.
Quote from: blanketattack on February 10, 2022, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 09, 2022, 11:35:33 AM
If the red cards stick then surely they will have to revisit the Kerry/Dublin game.
The whataboutery in this thread are reaching epic proportions.
There were at least 6 chokeholds in the Tyrone-Armagh melee and at least three of those involved throwing the player to the ground while in a chokehold. They deserved red cards. If there were players in chokeholds thrown to the ground in other games then they deserved red cards as well.
100% correct!
I cannot understand why people cannot grow up a bit and admit that putting another player in a headlock and throwing them to the ground is (and should a red card offence. If the rules haven't been applied properly up to now, that's not good enough. But the best time to start applying the rules is now.
Referee needs to be supported here and set a precedent. Because, players don't want to get sent off.
If you have a problem with that, then you are the problem.
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Quote from: blanketattack on February 10, 2022, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 09, 2022, 11:35:33 AM
If the red cards stick then surely they will have to revisit the Kerry/Dublin game.
The whataboutery in this thread are reaching epic proportions.
There were at least 6 chokeholds in the Tyrone-Armagh melee and at least three of those involved throwing the player to the ground while in a chokehold. They deserved red cards. If there were players in chokeholds thrown to the ground in other games then they deserved red cards as well.
100% correct!
I cannot understand why people cannot grow up a bit and admit that putting another player in a headlock and throwing them to the ground is (and should a red card offence. If the rules haven't been applied properly up to now, that's not good enough. But the best time to start applying the rules is now.
Referee needs to be supported here and set a precedent. Because, players don't want to get sent off.
If you have a problem with that, then you are the problem.
Probably most people wouldnt know that headlocking/wrestling another player is gonna be a red card. Everyone knows if they hit someone a box they're going to get a straight red and can have no complaints. How do you differentiate though between lads who are genuinely trying to drag players out of the row and get it stopped, or what is another player meant to do in a situation where a teammate is pinned to the ground with maybe 2 or 3 opposition players on top of him?
Let's face it - everyone likes a bit of niggle in the game and it adds to a game if anything. Lot of false outrage about very little.
The ref should just throw the ball up and let play continue and come back at the next break in play to dish out the relevant punishments
Quote from: general_lee on February 10, 2022, 02:07:10 PM
The ref should just throw the ball up and let play continue and come back at the next break in play to dish out the relevant punishments
Agreed. You'd feel like some clown if you were acting the big fella getting lads in headlocks and your man was up the other end of the field scoring.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 10, 2022, 12:38:36 PM
Quote from: APM on February 10, 2022, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on February 10, 2022, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 09, 2022, 11:35:33 AM
If the red cards stick then surely they will have to revisit the Kerry/Dublin game.
The whataboutery in this thread are reaching epic proportions.
There were at least 6 chokeholds in the Tyrone-Armagh melee and at least three of those involved throwing the player to the ground while in a chokehold. They deserved red cards. If there were players in chokeholds thrown to the ground in other games then they deserved red cards as well.
100% correct!
I cannot understand why people cannot grow up a bit and admit that putting another player in a headlock and throwing them to the ground is (and should a red card offence. If the rules haven't been applied properly up to now, that's not good enough. But the best time to start applying the rules is now.
Referee needs to be supported here and set a precedent. Because, players don't want to get sent off.
If you have a problem with that, then you are the problem.
Probably most people wouldnt know that headlocking/wrestling another player is gonna be a red card. Everyone knows if they hit someone a box they're going to get a straight red and can have no complaints. How do you differentiate though between lads who are genuinely trying to drag players out of the row and get it stopped, or what is another player meant to do in a situation where a teammate is pinned to the ground with maybe 2 or 3 opposition players on top of him?
The lads that are trying to drag the other players out of the row are idiots*. They have no business being there. 3rd man in applies to those players as much as the ones running the length of the pitch to throw a punch.
Is three players pinning one to the ground not fairly unusual (outside of international rules)? It's a bit much expecting team members to stand idly by in such a situation. However, referee should be penalising the third man in, in all cases.
* idiots might be a bit strong :o
Quote from: clarshack on February 09, 2022, 11:35:33 AM
If the red cards stick then surely they will have to revisit the Kerry/Dublin game.
How about they stick to the Armagh Tyrone game and suspend the Armagh players for there part in the melee as well
Quote from: general_lee on February 10, 2022, 02:07:10 PM
The ref should just throw the ball up and let play continue and come back at the next break in play to dish out the relevant punishments
Cause if he did that you'd have some clowns on blaming the ref!
Quote from: redzone on February 10, 2022, 06:03:17 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 09, 2022, 11:35:33 AM
If the red cards stick then surely they will have to revisit the Kerry/Dublin game.
How about they stick to the Armagh Tyrone game and suspend the Armagh players for there part in the melee as well
Or you cousin just accept that your players deserved their reds
Remember the time Tyrone appealed McMenamin grabbing Galvin by the balls when it was caught on camera... and they wonder why nobody likes them??
Come on. Galvin put his balls in Ricey's hands.
You don't have any balls Screen. If that's yous in the Avatar that is
Quote from: ONeill on February 10, 2022, 10:06:22 PM
Come on. Galvin put his balls in Ricey's hands.
Ricey cupped the two hands and Galvin just nestled them in the cuppage. A sign of respect in many counties
How about taking your medicine, instead of everybody against us.
We're does this nonsense that nobody likes us or everyone is against us come from. This seems to be mostly inside peoples heads that hate Tyrone and not Tyrone people.
Exactly. If everyone is against us, great. But have never heard it used as a moan. Apart from inbred Derry hoors.
Hahaha
Ah look, the takeaways from this game (as I see it):
- Armagh were much the hungrier and fitter
- We did not perform at all the first half, and when we stepped it up in the second, we'd just left too much to do
- Our pal David Gough just loves the limelight, and just like Meath kicked the winning of All-Irelands into us in 1996, Gough will keep his name in lights at our expense in the 2020s, doubtless (that's just the way of it)
- It's the start of the League FFS, keep 'er lit, and relax, we'll be grand :)
Sin é! ;)
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 10, 2022, 01:40:06 PM
Let's face it - everyone likes a bit of niggle in the game and it adds to a game if anything. Lot of false outrage about very little.
What you need is big Sam McClatchy back reffing inter county .
Joking aside it should be noted that the goals into which Armagh kicked in the first half and Tyrone in the second are generally the scoring goals with evenly matched teams they are worth a couple of points lead. so the Armagh goals were crucial scores. Secondly everyone can agree that whoever the perps were these scuffles do nothing for the game and are a bad example. But if you are going to issue reds then do it consistently in all games.
Quote from: blanketattack on February 10, 2022, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 09, 2022, 11:35:33 AM
If the red cards stick then surely they will have to revisit the Kerry/Dublin game.
The whataboutery in this thread are reaching epic proportions.
There were at least 6 chokeholds in the Tyrone-Armagh melee and at least three of those involved throwing the player to the ground while in a chokehold. They deserved red cards. If there were players in chokeholds thrown to the ground in other games then they deserved red cards as well.
IS
deserve a feeling in this case, or even a wishlist, lucky for us all we write these things down in a rulebook. We then apply this rulebook, so there is little room to interpretone event one way and another in another away... Protects us all against our bad hair days and moodswings. We always go by the rulebook. It protects the integrity of the games each and every time we cross the line.
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 11, 2022, 10:02:00 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 10, 2022, 01:40:06 PM
Let's face it - everyone likes a bit of niggle in the game and it adds to a game if anything. Lot of false outrage about very little.
What you need is big Sam McClatchy back reffing inter county .
Joking aside it should be noted that the goals into which Armagh kicked in the first half and Tyrone in the second are generally the scoring goals with evenly matched teams they are worth a couple of points lead. so the Armagh goals were crucial scores. Secondly everyone can agree that whoever the perps were these scuffles do nothing for the game and are a bad example. But if you are going to issue reds then do it consistently in all games.
Mind one time he just sat on the ball in the middle of the pitch as both teams punched the head off each other. He said, when everyone is ready to play football, i'll throw the ball in, and so he did.
Big Sam and his favourite line 'you keep talking and I'll keep walking!' ...seen him move a free up 50 yards once! Rarely lost control games though as teams knew what they could or couldn't do. Says a lot about a ref. He was a hardy hoor as a player too by all accounts
Quote from: JoG2 on February 10, 2022, 10:22:55 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 10, 2022, 10:06:22 PM
Come on. Galvin put his balls in Ricey's hands.
Ricey cupped the two hands and Galvin just nestled them in the cuppage. A sign of respect in many counties
Yes the ancient custom greeting of cuppage-nestling practiced in medieval times in the Himalayas between tribe leaders as a sign of making peace between their warring groups.. Great cultural awareness by all.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 10, 2022, 01:40:06 PM
Let's face it - everyone likes a bit of niggle in the game and it adds to a game if anything. Lot of false outrage about very little.
Speak for yourself.
I like hard hits and players going hell for leather to win a ball. I've no issue with a player coming into the game giving out or taking a fair shoulder.
But that's not what we're talking about, is it?
Little cowardly digs, pinches, cuffs around the ear etc., done to provoke and pointless, niggly pushing and shoving, add absolutely nothing to the game. Neither does these all-in melees, which are basically done to make it hard for a referee to single anyone out. Amply illustrated by all the crying about "what about this Armagh boy or that one?" who didn't get carded by Gough.
And I'm not singling out Tyrone. Every team out there is at this shit.
But IMO its an embarrassment to the sport and should be driven out of it.
Quote from: rrhf on February 11, 2022, 11:50:32 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on February 10, 2022, 10:22:55 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 10, 2022, 10:06:22 PM
Come on. Galvin put his balls in Ricey's hands.
Ricey cupped the two hands and Galvin just nestled them in the cuppage. A sign of respect in many counties
Yes the ancient custom greeting of cuppage-nestling practiced in medieval times in the Himalayas between tribe leaders as a sign of making peace between their warring groups.. Great cultural awareness by all.
Still a part of the curriculum in Moortown, Swatragh, Ballymacnab and Stranocum.
Quote from: J70 on February 11, 2022, 01:30:51 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 10, 2022, 01:40:06 PM
Let's face it - everyone likes a bit of niggle in the game and it adds to a game if anything. Lot of false outrage about very little.
Speak for yourself.
I like hard hits and players going hell for leather to win a ball. I've no issue with a player coming into the game giving out or taking a fair shoulder.
But that's not what we're talking about, is it?
Little cowardly digs, pinches, cuffs around the ear etc., done to provoke and pointless, niggly pushing and shoving, add absolutely nothing to the game. Neither does these all-in melees, which are basically done to make it hard for a referee to single anyone out. Amply illustrated by all the crying about "what about this Armagh boy or that one?" who didn't get carded by Gough.
And I'm not singling out Tyrone. Every team out there is at this shit.
But IMO its an embarrassment to the sport and should be driven out of it.
Totally agree and it's great to see ex players like Benny Tierney and Canavan coming out and saying that the head locks are dangerous and should be red card offences.
Quote from: ONeill on February 11, 2022, 08:13:35 PM
Quote from: rrhf on February 11, 2022, 11:50:32 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on February 10, 2022, 10:22:55 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 10, 2022, 10:06:22 PM
Come on. Galvin put his balls in Ricey's hands.
Ricey cupped the two hands and Galvin just nestled them in the cuppage. A sign of respect in many counties
Yes the ancient custom greeting of cuppage-nestling practiced in medieval times in the Himalayas between tribe leaders as a sign of making peace between their warring groups.. Great cultural awareness by all.
Still a part of the curriculum in Moortown, Swatragh, Ballymacnab and Stranocum.
;D
Quote from: JoG2 on February 10, 2022, 10:22:55 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 10, 2022, 10:06:22 PM
Come on. Galvin put his balls in Ricey's hands.
Ricey cupped the two hands and Galvin just nestled them in the cuppage. A sign of respect in many counties
Impressive from Galvin to be able to fill a two-handed cup.
And a Tyrone man's two-handed cup to boot.
A single hand would cup most pairs of plums.
Quote from: lenny on February 11, 2022, 09:33:42 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 11, 2022, 01:30:51 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 10, 2022, 01:40:06 PM
Let's face it - everyone likes a bit of niggle in the game and it adds to a game if anything. Lot of false outrage about very little.
Speak for yourself.
I like hard hits and players going hell for leather to win a ball. I've no issue with a player coming into the game giving out or taking a fair shoulder.
But that's not what we're talking about, is it?
Little cowardly digs, pinches, cuffs around the ear etc., done to provoke and pointless, niggly pushing and shoving, add absolutely nothing to the game. Neither does these all-in melees, which are basically done to make it hard for a referee to single anyone out. Amply illustrated by all the crying about "what about this Armagh boy or that one?" who didn't get carded by Gough.
And I'm not singling out Tyrone. Every team out there is at this shit.
But IMO its an embarrassment to the sport and should be driven out of it.
Totally agree and it's great to see ex players like Benny Tierney and Canavan coming out and saying that the head locks are dangerous and should be red card offences.
I think the GAA needs to get out ahead on a bunch of things. There needs to be a zero tolerance attitude taken or not at all. Draw a line and stick to it. Not this business of occasionally sanctimoniously getting our knickers in a twist. Players will do what they think they will get away with.
Rugby is good at constantly making adjustments and improvements. I would love to see a penalty given or a goal awarded for repeated fouling close to the goal. Likewise, black cards should be given for the same and when a team keeps committing fouls to prevent a team breaking. In this game, Armagh conceded many fouls where there was no attempt other than to stop an attack or prevent a goal being worked. You want to keep the excitement, so cynical attempts to prevent a goal or concede a free to allow time to get men back should be stamped out.
Isn't that what yellow and black cards are for?
25 pages for an Armagh v Tyrone league game in February ... great to see the rivalry renewed!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 11, 2022, 11:15:26 AM
Big Sam and his favourite line 'you keep talking and I'll keep walking!' ...seen him move a free up 50 yards once! Rarely lost control games though as teams knew what they could or couldn't do. Says a lot about a ref. He was a hardy hoor as a player too by all accounts
Did that in one match and when arrived at the 20m line a player said, you can't give a penalty Sam, he said "watch me" and promptly did.
My take on the game was as follows:
1. Very difficult to really assess either team as I think both are clearly at different stages in their development for the year. A likely goal for Armagh would have been a fast start to the league to hopefully secure division 1 status. Tyrone on the other hand only a few weeks back from holiday likely looking to peak for the later stages of the championship.
2. That said some of Armagh's play was excellent. Individually I still think Armagh defenders struggle 1 v 1 but are excellent at implementing a system that is disciplined and difficult to break down particularly if Armagh get time to funnel players back.
3. Armagh have a very high standard of worst player if that makes sense with about 24 or so players able to come in and play to a good county standard. Very few weak links as a result and those having off days can be quickly rotated out.
4. O'Neill and Grugan are quality forwards who along with the others will cause plenty of teams problems this year.
5. David Gough had a very poor and inconsistent game. Setting aside the correctness or otherwise of the altercation near the end which I will get to I thought he made a large number of strange decisions. Allowed a lot of off the ball antics to go unpunished and generally seemed very poor at communicating with the players and crowd. His performance reminded me a lot of Mike Dean in the premier league who seems to actively want to be the centre of attention. I think this was beat typified with the sendings off. Even the way he sent the Tyrone players off and then shewed them away was childish and ego centric. This coupled with the fact that at least two of those players seemed confused why they had been red carded seemed to sum up Gough's performance. Respect for officials is a two way street. There needs to be respect the other way as well.
6. I don't know why the GAA insist on picking refs who are either from or who live/work/are club members in counties that have the potential to benefit from the decisions the referee is making. An unnecessary question mark Will often hang over a referee in such a scenario and it can easily be avoided.
7. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The game is too big, too fast and too professional for one single amateur referee. I think this needs addressed.
8. On the sendings off I remain unconvinced because I don't know what they were for. If they were for contributing to a Melee what does that actually mean? What constitutes a melee? Do you not get sent off if you start it but only if you contribute? How many players have to be involved? What if it wasn't a melee when you started your contribution but then became one because others got involved? What if you and your opposite start handbags a few feet from the melee but end up rolling into the melee? What if your intention is to break up whatever's going on but In doing so you throw players to the ground or push them away. Is that contributing to the melee? Having watched the incident several times I feel a number of players should have been sent off. Some of them were sent off some weren't but I'm not sure if the rule book accords with my feelings. I know Tipperary tried to have melee defined a number of years ago but I think Congress couldn't agree on a definition.
Can you explain (6) in the context of Tyrone/Armagh/Gough?
Precedent set last night. Going forward a headlock should be an automatic red card.
Quote from: gaafan2 on February 15, 2022, 08:43:44 AM
Precedent set last night. Going forward a headlock should be an automatic red card.
If the headlock is deemed dangerous to an player then its a red card, the term headlock is not in the rule book
So the red cards have been upheld. I'll be keeping a close eye this weekend then to ensure there is no foul play.
It won't become the status quo. You mean to tell me if there's a melee at that start of a match of any importance the ref is gonna send off 4 from one team and one from another? There'll be the usually shite this weekend and the usual 2 yellows approach.
so Armagh get away scot free again?. unbelievable.
Quote from: An Watcher on February 15, 2022, 09:21:55 AM
So the red cards have been upheld. I'll be keeping a close eye this weekend then to ensure there is no foul play.
Be sure to let us know if you spot any.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 15, 2022, 09:30:20 AM
If the ref hasn't got it in him, the players should be retrospectively banned and the ref have the balls chewn off him and dropped if necessary.
This is a total farce if not consistently applied.
It's not being consistently applied as Armagh should be looking at more suspensions. And there's no chance a referee is going to send off 4 Dublin or Kerry players.
Quote from: clarshack on February 15, 2022, 09:28:00 AM
so Armagh get away scot free again?. unbelievable.
Got the valuable two points on offer.
I'm genuinely very surprised that most, if not all of those red cards were not overturned. Particularly as the Tyrone manager had a proven track record of success in these types of cases.
It's a massive policy shift from the GAA's perspective in terms of refereeing and it could now have a huge bearing on the relegation battle from division one. Maybe it's some form of retribution for hoodwinking the authorities prior to the AI semi final last year. Armagh won't be overly inconvenienced by the loss of McCabe but Tyrone have lost 4 of their best players.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 15, 2022, 10:08:21 AM
I'm genuinely very surprised that most, if not all of those red cards were not overturned. Particularly as the Tyrone manager had a proven track record of success in these types of cases.
It's a massive policy shift from the GAA's perspective in terms of refereeing and it could now have a huge bearing on the relegation battle from division one. Maybe it's some form of retribution for hoodwinking the authorities prior to the AI semi final last year. Armagh won't be overly inconvenienced by the loss of McCabe but Tyrone have lost 4 of their best players.
::)
Quote from: yellowcard on February 15, 2022, 10:08:21 AM
I'm genuinely very surprised that most, if not all of those red cards were not overturned. Particularly as the Tyrone manager had a proven track record of success in these types of cases.
It's a massive policy shift from the GAA's perspective in terms of refereeing and it could now have a huge bearing on the relegation battle from division one. Maybe it's some form of retribution for hoodwinking the authorities prior to the AI semi final last year. Armagh won't be overly inconvenienced by the loss of McCabe but Tyrone have lost 4 of their best players.
Wise up.
There's very little integrity sometimes. McGeary and Harte indisputably neck rolled their opponents and deserved red cards. Trying to get them off the hook on some sort of slippy technicality reflects badly on Tyrone. They should have accepted the punishment, like you would teach a child to do when they are wrong.
Quote from: clarshack on February 15, 2022, 09:28:00 AM
so Armagh get away scot free again?. unbelievable.
It's pretty believable. Armagh were cruising and with the game out of sight like clockwork the Tyrone instinct clicked into gear. Youse just couldn't resist - after all, it is a common sight in the Tyrone county leagues. The Athletic grounds may as well have been Coalisland, Dunmoyle, Loughmacrory or some other hallion-infested backwater. If I was from Tyrone I'd be alarmed at the poor performance from a team that is the reigning AI champions rather than gurning that Armagh didn't get as many reds. It's a shame they didn't put as much endeavour into winning the game as they did in starting/getting involved in the melee. Hopefully a precedent is set and this is the beginning of the end for this sort of behaviour.
Quote from: trileacman on February 15, 2022, 09:23:49 AM
It won't become the status quo. You mean to tell me if there's a melee at that start of a match of any importance the ref is gonna send off 4 from one team and one from another? There'll be the usually shite this weekend and the usual 2 yellows approach.
They all got red cards for headlocks, not the melee. These macho wannabe mma stars have no place on a football pitch and deserve their bans. We do need to see it applied consistently now.
Quote from: Sportacus on February 15, 2022, 10:16:27 AM
There's very little integrity sometimes. McGeary and Harte indisputably neck rolled their opponents and deserved red cards. Trying to get them off the hook on some sort of slippy technicality reflects badly on Tyrone. They should have accepted the punishment, like you would teach a child to do when they are wrong.
Are you new to football! ;D. Do Tyrone not have 2 further shots at getting the 4 red cards rescinded?
Quote from: general_lee on February 15, 2022, 10:24:19 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 15, 2022, 09:28:00 AM
so Armagh get away scot free again?. unbelievable.
It's pretty believable. Armagh were cruising and with the game out of sight like clockwork the Tyrone instinct clicked into gear. Youse just couldn't resist - after all, it is a common sight in the Tyrone county leagues. The Athletic grounds may as well have been Coalisland, Dunmoyle, Loughmacrory or some other hallion-infested backwater. If I was from Tyrone I'd be alarmed at the poor performance from a team that is the reigning AI champions rather than gurning that Armagh didn't get as many reds. It's a shame they didn't put as much endeavour into winning the game as they did in starting/getting involved in the melee. Hopefully a precedent is set and this is the beginning of the end for this sort of behaviour.
Armagh were consistently fouling Tyrone every time they even looked like they may come within an asses roar of a goal opportunity. They gave away 7 free kicks within the area of the D in the second half alone. They created the atmosphere that led to the melee by persistent fouling and didn't stand back when it started. Fair play to them, they did what they had to do to get the win in their biggest game since 2008 but even those with the most Orange of glasses on must think that they were somewhat lucky to get away with 1 red card when Tyrone got 4.
From a Tyrone point of view, i have no problem with the red cards, i'd say the incident may well have just turned a Tyrone team who could possibly be cruising along, basking in the glory of an All Ireland win, into a collective of players who, once again, feel they have the world against them and a point to prove. They'll be bouncing into training this week. Its the best place for a Tyrone team to be. Cheers Armagh - looking forward to a Sunny day in Clones already.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 15, 2022, 10:40:01 AMThey created the atmosphere that led to the melee
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 15, 2022, 10:40:01 AM
Quote from: general_lee on February 15, 2022, 10:24:19 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 15, 2022, 09:28:00 AM
so Armagh get away scot free again?. unbelievable.
It's pretty believable. Armagh were cruising and with the game out of sight like clockwork the Tyrone instinct clicked into gear. Youse just couldn't resist - after all, it is a common sight in the Tyrone county leagues. The Athletic grounds may as well have been Coalisland, Dunmoyle, Loughmacrory or some other hallion-infested backwater. If I was from Tyrone I'd be alarmed at the poor performance from a team that is the reigning AI champions rather than gurning that Armagh didn't get as many reds. It's a shame they didn't put as much endeavour into winning the game as they did in starting/getting involved in the melee. Hopefully a precedent is set and this is the beginning of the end for this sort of behaviour.
Armagh were consistently fouling Tyrone every time they even looked like they may come within an asses roar of a goal opportunity. They gave away 7 free kicks within the area of the D in the second half alone. They created the atmosphere that led to the melee by persistent fouling and didn't stand back when it started. Fair play to them, they did what they had to do to get the win in their biggest game since 2008 but even those with the most Orange of glasses on must think that they were somewhat lucky to get away with 1 red card when Tyrone got 4.
From a Tyrone point of view, i have no problem with the red cards, i'd say the incident may well have just turned a Tyrone team who could possibly be cruising along, basking in the glory of an All Ireland win, into a collective of players who, once again, feel they have the world against them and a point to prove. They'll be bouncing into training this week. Its the best place for a Tyrone team to be. Cheers Armagh - looking forward to a Sunny day in Clones already.
The majority of those frees given to Tyrone were very soft .
All day tyrone tried to bully Armagh but they stood up , took their hits and played the game.
Biggest game from 2008 , catch yourself on.
It was a league game nothing more .
Quote from: naka on February 15, 2022, 10:53:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 15, 2022, 10:40:01 AM
Quote from: general_lee on February 15, 2022, 10:24:19 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 15, 2022, 09:28:00 AM
so Armagh get away scot free again?. unbelievable.
It's pretty believable. Armagh were cruising and with the game out of sight like clockwork the Tyrone instinct clicked into gear. Youse just couldn't resist - after all, it is a common sight in the Tyrone county leagues. The Athletic grounds may as well have been Coalisland, Dunmoyle, Loughmacrory or some other hallion-infested backwater. If I was from Tyrone I'd be alarmed at the poor performance from a team that is the reigning AI champions rather than gurning that Armagh didn't get as many reds. It's a shame they didn't put as much endeavour into winning the game as they did in starting/getting involved in the melee. Hopefully a precedent is set and this is the beginning of the end for this sort of behaviour.
Armagh were consistently fouling Tyrone every time they even looked like they may come within an asses roar of a goal opportunity. They gave away 7 free kicks within the area of the D in the second half alone. They created the atmosphere that led to the melee by persistent fouling and didn't stand back when it started. Fair play to them, they did what they had to do to get the win in their biggest game since 2008 but even those with the most Orange of glasses on must think that they were somewhat lucky to get away with 1 red card when Tyrone got 4.
From a Tyrone point of view, i have no problem with the red cards, i'd say the incident may well have just turned a Tyrone team who could possibly be cruising along, basking in the glory of an All Ireland win, into a collective of players who, once again, feel they have the world against them and a point to prove. They'll be bouncing into training this week. Its the best place for a Tyrone team to be. Cheers Armagh - looking forward to a Sunny day in Clones already.
The majority of those frees given to Tyrone were very soft .
All day tyrone tried to bully Armagh but they stood up , took their hits and played the game.
Biggest game from 2008 , catch yourself on.
It was a league game nothing more .
Armagh celebrated like it was their biggest win since then.
just checked that Armagh haven't even reached an All-Ireland semi-final since 2005 and no Ulster titles from 2008, so it's a valid point that they have had very few big days out since the noughties.
Quote from: general_lee on February 15, 2022, 10:52:18 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 15, 2022, 10:40:01 AMThey created the atmosphere that led to the melee
;D ;D ;D
Persistent fouling creates flashpoints in games. Or maybe thats just how Armagh tackle?
Quote from: clarshack on February 15, 2022, 10:59:36 AM
Quote from: naka on February 15, 2022, 10:53:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 15, 2022, 10:40:01 AM
Quote from: general_lee on February 15, 2022, 10:24:19 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 15, 2022, 09:28:00 AM
so Armagh get away scot free again?. unbelievable.
It's pretty believable. Armagh were cruising and with the game out of sight like clockwork the Tyrone instinct clicked into gear. Youse just couldn't resist - after all, it is a common sight in the Tyrone county leagues. The Athletic grounds may as well have been Coalisland, Dunmoyle, Loughmacrory or some other hallion-infested backwater. If I was from Tyrone I'd be alarmed at the poor performance from a team that is the reigning AI champions rather than gurning that Armagh didn't get as many reds. It's a shame they didn't put as much endeavour into winning the game as they did in starting/getting involved in the melee. Hopefully a precedent is set and this is the beginning of the end for this sort of behaviour.
Armagh were consistently fouling Tyrone every time they even looked like they may come within an asses roar of a goal opportunity. They gave away 7 free kicks within the area of the D in the second half alone. They created the atmosphere that led to the melee by persistent fouling and didn't stand back when it started. Fair play to them, they did what they had to do to get the win in their biggest game since 2008 but even those with the most Orange of glasses on must think that they were somewhat lucky to get away with 1 red card when Tyrone got 4.
From a Tyrone point of view, i have no problem with the red cards, i'd say the incident may well have just turned a Tyrone team who could possibly be cruising along, basking in the glory of an All Ireland win, into a collective of players who, once again, feel they have the world against them and a point to prove. They'll be bouncing into training this week. Its the best place for a Tyrone team to be. Cheers Armagh - looking forward to a Sunny day in Clones already.
The majority of those frees given to Tyrone were very soft .
All day tyrone tried to bully Armagh but they stood up , took their hits and played the game.
Biggest game from 2008 , catch yourself on.
It was a league game nothing more .
Armagh celebrated like it was their biggest win since then.
just checked that Armagh haven't even reached an All-Ireland semi-final since 2005 and no Ulster titles from 2008, so it's a valid point that they have had very few big days out since the noughties.
First time since 2005 Armagh have won 2 consecutive games in div 1.So fair play for celebrating. Even thou Gezzer has had 8 years abd it cost 1 million pounds
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 15, 2022, 11:10:20 AM
Quote from: general_lee on February 15, 2022, 10:52:18 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 15, 2022, 10:40:01 AMThey created the atmosphere that led to the melee
;D ;D ;D
Persistent fouling creates flashpoints in games. Or maybe thats just how Armagh tackle?
That was your purple patch. Having soft frees handed to you on a plate. How that created a flashpoint when it was your only scoring outlet I don't exactly know.
Quote from: general_lee on February 15, 2022, 11:16:16 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 15, 2022, 11:10:20 AM
Quote from: general_lee on February 15, 2022, 10:52:18 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 15, 2022, 10:40:01 AMThey created the atmosphere that led to the melee
;D ;D ;D
Persistent fouling creates flashpoints in games. Or maybe thats just how Armagh tackle?
That was your purple patch. Having soft frees handed to you on a plate. How that created a flashpoint when it was your only scoring outlet I don't exactly know.
Obvious tactical fouling. Good management. Fair play to Geezer.
Quote from: Hound on February 15, 2022, 07:44:29 AM
Can you explain (6) in the context of Tyrone/Armagh/Gough?
It's a complaint I heard made both before and after the game. The complaint being that Dublin could benefit from sending offs of Tyrone players given that they are to play soon. Gough obviously living and working in Dublin and some claiming being a member of a Dublin club. I don't subscribe to it but it can be easily avoided.
Interestingly the test for bias in law is not has there been or is there likely to be bias. The test is could an impartial observer fully aware of all the facts conclude there was no potential for bias. If they can't then that potential should be avoided.
Quote from: David McKeown on February 15, 2022, 11:48:45 AM
Quote from: Hound on February 15, 2022, 07:44:29 AM
Can you explain (6) in the context of Tyrone/Armagh/Gough?
It's a complaint I heard made both before and after the game. The complaint being that Dublin could benefit from sending offs of Tyrone players given that they are to play soon. Gough obviously living and working in Dublin and some claiming being a member of a Dublin club. I don't subscribe to it but it can be easily avoided.
Interestingly the test for bias in law is not has there been or is there likely to be bias. The test is could an impartial observer fully aware of all the facts conclude there was no potential for bias. If they can't then that potential should be avoided.
Ah now in fairness anyone is going to be biased against Tyrone because they're a shower of hateful huers!
On a serious note do the suspensions just last for this weekend or 4 weeks?
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2022, 11:52:34 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on February 15, 2022, 11:48:45 AM
Quote from: Hound on February 15, 2022, 07:44:29 AM
Can you explain (6) in the context of Tyrone/Armagh/Gough?
It's a complaint I heard made both before and after the game. The complaint being that Dublin could benefit from sending offs of Tyrone players given that they are to play soon. Gough obviously living and working in Dublin and some claiming being a member of a Dublin club. I don't subscribe to it but it can be easily avoided.
Interestingly the test for bias in law is not has there been or is there likely to be bias. The test is could an impartial observer fully aware of all the facts conclude there was no potential for bias. If they can't then that potential should be avoided.
Ah now in fairness anyone is going to be biased against Tyrone because they're a shower of hateful huers!
On a serious note do the suspensions just last for this weekend or 4 weeks?
They will get a one game ban
I assume Tyrone will be appealing
Quote from: FermGael on February 15, 2022, 12:05:59 PM
I assume Tyrone will be appealing
I can't imagine more unappealing people than Tyrone.
I'm looking forward to the next time both sides meet. It will be interesting.....
Quote from: RoundBall on February 15, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
I'm looking forward to the next time both sides meet. It will be interesting.....
It definitely will be. Armagh are a certainty for the ulster final. They only have 1 potentially difficult game. Anything less than a final appearance for Armagh will be a failure.
Quote from: clarshack on February 15, 2022, 10:59:36 AM
Quote from: naka on February 15, 2022, 10:53:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 15, 2022, 10:40:01 AM
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Quote from: clarshack on February 15, 2022, 09:28:00 AM
so Armagh get away scot free again?. unbelievable.
It's pretty believable. Armagh were cruising and with the game out of sight like clockwork the Tyrone instinct clicked into gear. Youse just couldn't resist - after all, it is a common sight in the Tyrone county leagues. The Athletic grounds may as well have been Coalisland, Dunmoyle, Loughmacrory or some other hallion-infested backwater. If I was from Tyrone I'd be alarmed at the poor performance from a team that is the reigning AI champions rather than gurning that Armagh didn't get as many reds. It's a shame they didn't put as much endeavour into winning the game as they did in starting/getting involved in the melee. Hopefully a precedent is set and this is the beginning of the end for this sort of behaviour.
Armagh were consistently fouling Tyrone every time they even looked like they may come within an asses roar of a goal opportunity. They gave away 7 free kicks within the area of the D in the second half alone. They created the atmosphere that led to the melee by persistent fouling and didn't stand back when it started. Fair play to them, they did what they had to do to get the win in their biggest game since 2008 but even those with the most Orange of glasses on must think that they were somewhat lucky to get away with 1 red card when Tyrone got 4.
From a Tyrone point of view, i have no problem with the red cards, i'd say the incident may well have just turned a Tyrone team who could possibly be cruising along, basking in the glory of an All Ireland win, into a collective of players who, once again, feel they have the world against them and a point to prove. They'll be bouncing into training this week. Its the best place for a Tyrone team to be. Cheers Armagh - looking forward to a Sunny day in Clones already.
The majority of those frees given to Tyrone were very soft .
All day tyrone tried to bully Armagh but they stood up , took their hits and played the game.
Biggest game from 2008 , catch yourself on.
It was a league game nothing more .
Armagh celebrated like it was their biggest win since then.
just checked that Armagh haven't even reached an All-Ireland semi-final since 2005 and no Ulster titles from 2008, so it's a valid point that they have had very few big days out since the noughties.
Sounds like your hurting.
Kids went in the pitch after the game. One teenager had a flag. Is that the celebrations you are excited about?
If it's any celebrations that the players, management or majority of fans were involved in then please point it out
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: RoundBall on February 15, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
I'm looking forward to the next time both sides meet. It will be interesting.....
It definitely will be. Armagh are a certainty for the ulster final. They only have 1 potentially difficult game. Anything less than a final appearance for Armagh will be a failure.
What a very silly thing to say. Don't beat Donegal in Ballybofey and they are failures?
Forgive me for pointing it out but that is a very, very, very stupid thing to say
Quote from: FermGael on February 15, 2022, 12:05:59 PM
I assume Tyrone will be appealing
Apparently they are.
Would be good to know the grounds of the appeal.
Surely the grounds for appeal have to be:
The events didn't happen.
The events don't meet the definition of the offence, or
(The one that gets Fergal Logan all excited) There was a procedural error in the disciplinary process up to this point.
The latter one gets on my nerves. Can't see much hope for at least 2 of the appellants on either of the first 2 grounds based on the little evidence I have seen.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 15, 2022, 11:10:20 AM
Quote from: general_lee on February 15, 2022, 10:52:18 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 15, 2022, 10:40:01 AMThey created the atmosphere that led to the melee
;D ;D ;D
Persistent fouling creates flashpoints in games. Or maybe thats just how Armagh tackle?
If anyone can feel aggrieved by some of the frees dished out in that game is Armagh
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: RoundBall on February 15, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
I'm looking forward to the next time both sides meet. It will be interesting.....
It definitely will be. Armagh are a certainty for the ulster final. They only have 1 potentially difficult game. Anything less than a final appearance for Armagh will be a failure.
I don't think any team in Ireland is a "certainty" to beat Donegal in Ballybofey. If we play to our full potential we have every chance, but far from a certainty. But you already know that...
Quote from: LCohen on February 15, 2022, 03:10:49 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 15, 2022, 12:05:59 PM
I assume Tyrone will be appealing
Apparently they are.
Would be good to know the grounds of the appeal.
Surely the grounds for appeal have to be:
The events didn't happen.
The events don't meet the definition of the offence, or
(The one that gets Fergal Logan all excited) There was a procedural error in the disciplinary process up to this point.
The latter one gets on my nerves. Can't see much hope for at least 2 of the appellants on either of the first 2 grounds based on the little evidence I have seen.
Why what is a Melee and how do you contribute to it as opposed to start it. I think the rule is needlessly vague
Quote from: David McKeown on February 15, 2022, 04:27:21 PM
Quote from: LCohen on February 15, 2022, 03:10:49 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 15, 2022, 12:05:59 PM
I assume Tyrone will be appealing
Apparently they are.
Would be good to know the grounds of the appeal.
Surely the grounds for appeal have to be:
The events didn't happen.
The events don't meet the definition of the offence, or
(The one that gets Fergal Logan all excited) There was a procedural error in the disciplinary process up to this point.
The latter one gets on my nerves. Can't see much hope for at least 2 of the appellants on either of the first 2 grounds based on the little evidence I have seen.
Why what is a Melee and how do you contribute to it as opposed to start it. I think the rule is needlessly vague
Did they get sent off for contributing to the melee or for the headlocks. I read Cahair O'Kane saying they all got sent off for headlocks which would be endangering an opponent. If so that's good and they deserve their suspensions.
Quote from: LCohen on February 15, 2022, 03:00:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: RoundBall on February 15, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
I'm looking forward to the next time both sides meet. It will be interesting.....
It definitely will be. Armagh are a certainty for the ulster final. They only have 1 potentially difficult game. Anything less than a final appearance for Armagh will be a failure.
What a very silly thing to say. Don't beat Donegal in Ballybofey and they are failures?
Forgive me for pointing it out but that is a very, very, very stupid thing to say
Not really. Armagh have to beat 1 division one team and then either a division 3 or 4 team to reach the final. Surely the way Armagh are playing at the minute the expectation is that they will go further this year.
They have beat Dublin and tyrone this year already and you are worried about Donegal who are still depending on Michael Murphy.
Quote from: lenny on February 15, 2022, 05:27:07 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on February 15, 2022, 04:27:21 PM
Quote from: LCohen on February 15, 2022, 03:10:49 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 15, 2022, 12:05:59 PM
I assume Tyrone will be appealing
Apparently they are.
Would be good to know the grounds of the appeal.
Surely the grounds for appeal have to be:
The events didn't happen.
The events don't meet the definition of the offence, or
(The one that gets Fergal Logan all excited) There was a procedural error in the disciplinary process up to this point.
The latter one gets on my nerves. Can't see much hope for at least 2 of the appellants on either of the first 2 grounds based on the little evidence I have seen.
Why what is a Melee and how do you contribute to it as opposed to start it. I think the rule is needlessly vague
Did they get sent off for contributing to the melee or for the headlocks. I read Cahair O'Kane saying they all got sent off for headlocks which would be endangering an opponent. If so that's good and they deserve their suspensions.
That can't be true as hamspey didn't get anyone in a headlock or strike yet he was still sent off. So it must have been for joining melee.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2022, 03:38:25 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: RoundBall on February 15, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
I'm looking forward to the next time both sides meet. It will be interesting.....
It definitely will be. Armagh are a certainty for the ulster final. They only have 1 potentially difficult game. Anything less than a final appearance for Armagh will be a failure.
I don't think any team in Ireland is a "certainty" to beat Donegal in Ballybofey. If we play to our full potential we have every chance, but far from a certainty. But you already know that...
What are the expectations for Armagh then this year? Would you say they have progressed if they win division 1 and get knocked out of their first game in Ulster?
The mood at the armagh tyrone game was that they are on the up and up so getting to an ulster final should be the expectation.
I note that the Armagh women's team give Tyrone a good beating at the weekend, Armagh ladies are not only so gay and so hearty and without fairer in Erin, but they are better footballers too.
Quote from: redzone on February 15, 2022, 11:11:04 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 15, 2022, 10:59:36 AM
Quote from: naka on February 15, 2022, 10:53:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 15, 2022, 10:40:01 AM
Quote from: general_lee on February 15, 2022, 10:24:19 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 15, 2022, 09:28:00 AM
so Armagh get away scot free again?. unbelievable.
It's pretty believable. Armagh were cruising and with the game out of sight like clockwork the Tyrone instinct clicked into gear. Youse just couldn't resist - after all, it is a common sight in the Tyrone county leagues. The Athletic grounds may as well have been Coalisland, Dunmoyle, Loughmacrory or some other hallion-infested backwater. If I was from Tyrone I'd be alarmed at the poor performance from a team that is the reigning AI champions rather than gurning that Armagh didn't get as many reds. It's a shame they didn't put as much endeavour into winning the game as they did in starting/getting involved in the melee. Hopefully a precedent is set and this is the beginning of the end for this sort of behaviour.
Armagh were consistently fouling Tyrone every time they even looked like they may come within an asses roar of a goal opportunity. They gave away 7 free kicks within the area of the D in the second half alone. They created the atmosphere that led to the melee by persistent fouling and didn't stand back when it started. Fair play to them, they did what they had to do to get the win in their biggest game since 2008 but even those with the most Orange of glasses on must think that they were somewhat lucky to get away with 1 red card when Tyrone got 4.
From a Tyrone point of view, i have no problem with the red cards, i'd say the incident may well have just turned a Tyrone team who could possibly be cruising along, basking in the glory of an All Ireland win, into a collective of players who, once again, feel they have the world against them and a point to prove. They'll be bouncing into training this week. Its the best place for a Tyrone team to be. Cheers Armagh - looking forward to a Sunny day in Clones already.
The majority of those frees given to Tyrone were very soft .
All day tyrone tried to bully Armagh but they stood up , took their hits and played the game.
Biggest game from 2008 , catch yourself on.
It was a league game nothing more .
Armagh celebrated like it was their biggest win since then.
just checked that Armagh haven't even reached an All-Ireland semi-final since 2005 and no Ulster titles from 2008, so it's a valid point that they have had very few big days out since the noughties.
First time since 2005 Armagh have won 2 consecutive games in div 1.So fair play for celebrating. Even thou Gezzer has had 8 years abd it cost 1 million pounds
Meow ;D. For all this talk of a meaningless league game you boys are some craic bringing up everything and anything ;D
Yes it is only a league game and Armagh need to start winning a few Ulster championship games before we can judge where we're at. But there are certain games that define and shape a team and maybe this was one of those games for this Armagh side. Or maybe not.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 06:01:59 PM
Quote from: LCohen on February 15, 2022, 03:00:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: RoundBall on February 15, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
I'm looking forward to the next time both sides meet. It will be interesting.....
It definitely will be. Armagh are a certainty for the ulster final. They only have 1 potentially difficult game. Anything less than a final appearance for Armagh will be a failure.
What a very silly thing to say. Don't beat Donegal in Ballybofey and they are failures?
Forgive me for pointing it out but that is a very, very, very stupid thing to say
Not really. Armagh have to beat 1 division one team and then either a division 3 or 4 team to reach the final. Surely the way Armagh are playing at the minute the expectation is that they will go further this year.
They have beat Dublin and tyrone this year already and you are worried about Donegal who are still depending on Michael Murphy.
To beat Donegal in Donegal would be a massive result for this side. Donegal have had our number for a few years now.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 06:08:24 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2022, 03:38:25 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: RoundBall on February 15, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
I'm looking forward to the next time both sides meet. It will be interesting.....
It definitely will be. Armagh are a certainty for the ulster final. They only have 1 potentially difficult game. Anything less than a final appearance for Armagh will be a failure.
I don't think any team in Ireland is a "certainty" to beat Donegal in Ballybofey. If we play to our full potential we have every chance, but far from a certainty. But you already know that...
What are the expectations for Armagh then this year? Would you say they have progressed if they win division 1 and get knocked out of their first game in Ulster?
The mood at the armagh tyrone game was that they are on the up and up so getting to an ulster final should be the expectation.
You're trying too hard pet
Quote from: greatpoint on February 15, 2022, 07:29:00 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 06:08:24 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2022, 03:38:25 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: RoundBall on February 15, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
I'm looking forward to the next time both sides meet. It will be interesting.....
It definitely will be. Armagh are a certainty for the ulster final. They only have 1 potentially difficult game. Anything less than a final appearance for Armagh will be a failure.
I don't think any team in Ireland is a "certainty" to beat Donegal in Ballybofey. If we play to our full potential we have every chance, but far from a certainty. But you already know that...
What are the expectations for Armagh then this year? Would you say they have progressed if they win division 1 and get knocked out of their first game in Ulster?
The mood at the armagh tyrone game was that they are on the up and up so getting to an ulster final should be the expectation.
You're trying too hard pet
Doesn't everyone set targets for their own team? Last year I thought if tyrone won ulster and beat either kerry/Dublin /mayo. That would have been successfulas we hadn't beat anyone of those teams in about 8 years in championship match.
This year I would say success for tyrone would be ulster and a semi final spot.
You can't judge if a team is improving without setting targets. Not sure why people are finding this difficult. My question is what is considered to be a success for Armagh this year.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 15, 2022, 10:40:01 AM
Quote from: general_lee on February 15, 2022, 10:24:19 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 15, 2022, 09:28:00 AM
so Armagh get away scot free again?. unbelievable.
It's pretty believable. Armagh were cruising and with the game out of sight like clockwork the Tyrone instinct clicked into gear. Youse just couldn't resist - after all, it is a common sight in the Tyrone county leagues. The Athletic grounds may as well have been Coalisland, Dunmoyle, Loughmacrory or some other hallion-infested backwater. If I was from Tyrone I'd be alarmed at the poor performance from a team that is the reigning AI champions rather than gurning that Armagh didn't get as many reds. It's a shame they didn't put as much endeavour into winning the game as they did in starting/getting involved in the melee. Hopefully a precedent is set and this is the beginning of the end for this sort of behaviour.
Armagh were consistently fouling Tyrone every time they even looked like they may come within an asses roar of a goal opportunity. They gave away 7 free kicks within the area of the D in the second half alone. They created the atmosphere that led to the melee by persistent fouling and didn't stand back when it started. Fair play to them, they did what they had to do to get the win in their biggest game since 2008 but even those with the most Orange of glasses on must think that they were somewhat lucky to get away with 1 red card when Tyrone got 4.
From a Tyrone point of view, i have no problem with the red cards, i'd say the incident may well have just turned a Tyrone team who could possibly be cruising along, basking in the glory of an All Ireland win, into a collective of players who, once again, feel they have the world against them and a point to prove. They'll be bouncing into training this week. Its the best place for a Tyrone team to be. Cheers Armagh - looking forward to a Sunny day in Clones already.
You clearly do. It's never Tyrone's fault is it? Always somebody else to blame. Always seem to need to play with a chip on the shoulder. Is there not motivation enough in going out to play the beautiful game?
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 06:01:59 PM
Quote from: LCohen on February 15, 2022, 03:00:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: RoundBall on February 15, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
I'm looking forward to the next time both sides meet. It will be interesting.....
It definitely will be. Armagh are a certainty for the ulster final. They only have 1 potentially difficult game. Anything less than a final appearance for Armagh will be a failure.
What a very silly thing to say. Don't beat Donegal in Ballybofey and they are failures?
Forgive me for pointing it out but that is a very, very, very stupid thing to say
Not really. Armagh have to beat 1 division one team and then either a division 3 or 4 team to reach the final. Surely the way Armagh are playing at the minute the expectation is that they will go further this year.
They have beat Dublin and tyrone this year already and you are worried about Donegal who are still depending on Michael Murphy.
Nobody is saying they cannot beat Donegal but the the extremely stupid thing that you said (and are now doubling down on) is that if they don't beat Donegal then they are failures.
I don't for one moment think that you cannot see the stupidity of your contention. You might even get the rise you are after but it will reflect no merit on you
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 06:08:24 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 15, 2022, 03:38:25 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: RoundBall on February 15, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
I'm looking forward to the next time both sides meet. It will be interesting.....
It definitely will be. Armagh are a certainty for the ulster final. They only have 1 potentially difficult game. Anything less than a final appearance for Armagh will be a failure.
I don't think any team in Ireland is a "certainty" to beat Donegal in Ballybofey. If we play to our full potential we have every chance, but far from a certainty. But you already know that...
What are the expectations for Armagh then this year? Would you say they have progressed if they win division 1 and get knocked out of their first game in Ulster?
The mood at the armagh tyrone game was that they are on the up and up so getting to an ulster final should be the expectation.
Was talking to Mckeever in Spar. He said they were hopin' for 2 good cuts of silage and maybe pick off a few round bales if they got the growth and of course the weather. You can see his point. Fingers crossed
Quote from: LCohen on February 15, 2022, 08:09:55 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 06:01:59 PM
Quote from: LCohen on February 15, 2022, 03:00:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: RoundBall on February 15, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
I'm looking forward to the next time both sides meet. It will be interesting.....
It definitely will be. Armagh are a certainty for the ulster final. They only have 1 potentially difficult game. Anything less than a final appearance for Armagh will be a failure.
What a very silly thing to say. Don't beat Donegal in Ballybofey and they are failures?
Forgive me for pointing it out but that is a very, very, very stupid thing to say
Not really. Armagh have to beat 1 division one team and then either a division 3 or 4 team to reach the final. Surely the way Armagh are playing at the minute the expectation is that they will go further this year.
They have beat Dublin and tyrone this year already and you are worried about Donegal who are still depending on Michael Murphy.
Nobody is saying they cannot beat Donegal but the the extremely stupid thing that you said (and are now doubling down on) is that if they don't beat Donegal then they are failures.
I don't for one moment think that you cannot see the stupidity of your contention. You might even get the rise you are after but it will reflect no merit on you
Crickey you are sensitive. What is wrong with expecting Armagh to beat Donegal. The are playing very good football and have beaten 2 top teams already. Even Oisin was saying what's wrong with being optimistic.
There is no point in trying to be coy about it. If they fail to beat Donegal it shows they haven't progessed as much as they should after 8 years. Alternatively if they win its confirmation that they are definitely on the right track.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 09:04:18 PM
Quote from: LCohen on February 15, 2022, 08:09:55 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 06:01:59 PM
Quote from: LCohen on February 15, 2022, 03:00:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: RoundBall on February 15, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
I'm looking forward to the next time both sides meet. It will be interesting.....
It definitely will be. Armagh are a certainty for the ulster final. They only have 1 potentially difficult game. Anything less than a final appearance for Armagh will be a failure.
What a very silly thing to say. Don't beat Donegal in Ballybofey and they are failures?
Forgive me for pointing it out but that is a very, very, very stupid thing to say
Not really. Armagh have to beat 1 division one team and then either a division 3 or 4 team to reach the final. Surely the way Armagh are playing at the minute the expectation is that they will go further this year.
They have beat Dublin and tyrone this year already and you are worried about Donegal who are still depending on Michael Murphy.
Nobody is saying they cannot beat Donegal but the the extremely stupid thing that you said (and are now doubling down on) is that if they don't beat Donegal then they are failures.
I don't for one moment think that you cannot see the stupidity of your contention. You might even get the rise you are after but it will reflect no merit on you
Crickey you are sensitive. What is wrong with expecting Armagh to beat Donegal. The are playing very good football and have beaten 2 top teams already. Even Oisin was saying what's wrong with being optimistic.
There is no point in trying to be coy about it. If they fail to beat Donegal it shows they haven't progessed as much as they should after 8 years. Alternatively if they win its confirmation that they are definitely on the right track.
We also know this is only the league and it counts for s**t when it comes to the championship. Donegal have given us some hidings in the last few years in the championship and we are under no illusion that they could give us another one in a few weeks time.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 09:04:18 PM
Quote from: LCohen on February 15, 2022, 08:09:55 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 06:01:59 PM
Quote from: LCohen on February 15, 2022, 03:00:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 15, 2022, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: RoundBall on February 15, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
I'm looking forward to the next time both sides meet. It will be interesting.....
It definitely will be. Armagh are a certainty for the ulster final. They only have 1 potentially difficult game. Anything less than a final appearance for Armagh will be a failure.
What a very silly thing to say. Don't beat Donegal in Ballybofey and they are failures?
Forgive me for pointing it out but that is a very, very, very stupid thing to say
Not really. Armagh have to beat 1 division one team and then either a division 3 or 4 team to reach the final. Surely the way Armagh are playing at the minute the expectation is that they will go further this year.
They have beat Dublin and tyrone this year already and you are worried about Donegal who are still depending on Michael Murphy.
Nobody is saying they cannot beat Donegal but the the extremely stupid thing that you said (and are now doubling down on) is that if they don't beat Donegal then they are failures.
I don't for one moment think that you cannot see the stupidity of your contention. You might even get the rise you are after but it will reflect no merit on you
Crickey you are sensitive. What is wrong with expecting Armagh to beat Donegal. The are playing very good football and have beaten 2 top teams already. Even Oisin was saying what's wrong with being optimistic.
There is no point in trying to be coy about it. If they fail to beat Donegal it shows they haven't progessed as much as they should after 8 years. Alternatively if they win its confirmation that they are definitely on the right track.
If Armagh lose to Donegal
In the championship I'm sure they will not consider that the end of their season. Nobody else other than you is using the "failure" terminology.
Progress or the lack thereof will not be measured on one game. Not at the stage we are at anyway
A neutral poster, I think it was Hound, said that the loser of Donegal v Armagh should pick themselves up and come back until things are sorted out at a later stage as there isn't that much between the top half dozen teams this year.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 15, 2022, 10:18:09 PM
A neutral poster, I think it was Hound, said that the loser of Donegal v Armagh should pick themselves up and come back until things are sorted out at a later stage as there isn't that much between the top half dozen teams this year.
I reckon every team in Division 1 are at a similarish enough level, all capable of beating or getting close to each other. Add in Derry and even Galway and Roscommon who could all go on a run and this should be a superb championship.
I expect Donegal to beat Armagh in Ballybofey. Away wins don't Come too often there.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 16, 2022, 01:08:28 AM
I expect Donegal to beat Armagh in Ballybofey. Away wins don't Come too often there.
And I'm sure Armagh will be slight underdogs with the bookies.
No matter the result I'd expect both teams to make the AI QFs, and at that stage it won't matter a whole heap which one of them won an Ulster QF.
The new qualifier system makes the provincial championship games less important in terms of progress in the championship. If Armagh were to lose to Donegal the chances are they will only need to win two games to get to the quarter finals. To me it's not perfect but the current system for this years championship is much better than the new one being proposed going forward.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 16, 2022, 08:07:57 AM
The new qualifier system makes the provincial championship games less important in terms of progress in the championship. If Armagh were to lose to Donegal the chances are they will only need to win two games to get to the quarter finals. To me it's not perfect but the current system for this years championship is much better than the new one being proposed going forward.
is this correct? Would it not be 3 games?
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 16, 2022, 08:37:33 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 16, 2022, 08:07:57 AM
The new qualifier system makes the provincial championship games less important in terms of progress in the championship. If Armagh were to lose to Donegal the chances are they will only need to win two games to get to the quarter finals. To me it's not perfect but the current system for this years championship is much better than the new one being proposed going forward.
is this correct? Would it not be 3 games?
There is potential for a preliminary round if division 3 or 4 teams make their provincial final.
What's the capacity at the Athletic Grounds?
Wasn't much room left bar behind the melee goals.
Quote from: ONeill on February 16, 2022, 11:18:22 AM
What's the capacity at the Athletic Grounds?
Wasn't much room left bar behind the melee goals.
around 18k I think.
Quote from: ONeill on February 16, 2022, 11:18:22 AM
What's the capacity at the Athletic Grounds?
Wasn't much room left bar behind the melee goals.
There was some room behind the top goals as well. According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletic_Grounds);
"The ground has a capacity of 18,500, with one covered stand seating 5,575, one covered terraced stand, uncovered terracing at both ends of the grounds, floodlighting, changing rooms, administration facilities, a treatment suite, media room, referee's area, and access for disabled spectators. A new attendance record for the redeveloped ground was set on 14 June 2015 when 18,186 spectators attended the Ulster Senior Championship quarter-final between Armagh and Donegal."
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Quote from: ONeill on February 16, 2022, 11:18:22 AM
What's the capacity at the Athletic Grounds?
Wasn't much room left bar behind the melee goals.
There was some room behind the top goals as well. According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletic_Grounds);
"The ground has a capacity of 18,500, with one covered stand seating 5,575, one covered terraced stand, uncovered terracing at both ends of the grounds, floodlighting, changing rooms, administration facilities, a treatment suite, media room, referee's area, and access for disabled spectators. A new attendance record for the redeveloped ground was set on 14 June 2015 when 18,186 spectators attended the Ulster Senior Championship quarter-final between Armagh and Donegal."
Visually, there wasn't much room. Is the published attendance the paid attendance or does it include children? If the former then children still take up seats and space in the terrace, especially big hairy fellows like Bottler whose U-16 status is doubtful.
There wasn't a pile of room behind the other goals. I was there and was fairly tight. Armagh ones up close on all sides. It was frightening. Luckily I stood firm and thought of happier times.
Quote from: ONeill on February 16, 2022, 01:01:01 PM
There wasn't a pile of room behind the other goals. I was there and was fairly tight. Armagh ones up close on all sides. It was frightening. Luckily I stood firm and thought of happier times.
Yes it had a tight Ballybofey feel to it at times... Great to see the bucky brigade back loving their football though.. The guys in front of me where roarin and gulderin 'Canavan and Mc Shane has to go' and then when the Drumarg 4 were shown reds they pivotted, praised the ref, and starting singing cheerio as the golden 4 left the field.
You Tyronies have an unhealthy obsession with Armagh
Quote from: ONeill on February 16, 2022, 01:01:01 PM
There wasn't a pile of room behind the other goals. I was there and was fairly tight. Armagh ones up close on all sides. It was frightening. Luckily I stood firm and thought of happier times.
;D
These melees happen all the time in rugby. But notably I have yet to see anyone taken in a headlock. Rugby refs call the captains where necessary and that usually is that. The headlocks in the AG were the only reason for the reds that I could see and if that's the case there should have been a second Armagh red.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 16, 2022, 01:08:28 AM
I expect Donegal to beat Armagh in Ballybofey. Away wins don't Come too often there.
I don't expect us to win either. I wouldn't be shocked if we did but I would be pleasantly surprised
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I assume Tyrone will be appealing
Apparently they are.
Would be good to know the grounds of the appeal.
Surely the grounds for appeal have to be:
The events didn't happen.
The events don't meet the definition of the offence, or
(The one that gets Fergal Logan all excited) There was a procedural error in the disciplinary process up to this point.
The latter one gets on my nerves. Can't see much hope for at least 2 of the appellants on either of the first 2 grounds based on the little evidence I have seen.
Why what is a Melee and how do you contribute to it as opposed to start it. I think the rule is needlessly vague
Did they get sent off for contributing to the melee or for the headlocks. I read Cahair O'Kane saying they all got sent off for headlocks which would be endangering an opponent. If so that's good and they deserve their suspensions.
Will Mr Gough be watching a certain mayo defender who is fond of the headlocks?
How many men are in a melee?
Quote from: ONeill on February 16, 2022, 10:52:03 PM
How many men are in a melee?
No real man would join a melee, except perhaps to save someone from Tyrone violence.
No one in Armagh is looking beyond staying in Div 1 and having a good run at Ulster. So troll on Tyrone.
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 17, 2022, 08:34:28 AM
No one in Armagh is looking beyond staying in Div 1 and having a good run at Ulster. So troll on Tyrone.
So after 8 years, a brilliant start to the league including beating Dublin and current AI champions your hope this year are for staying in division 1 And run out at ulster. Wow setting the world alight.
In all seriousness armagh fans should be excited. Hopefully this is the start of ulster teams progressing further in the AI. Be good to get back to the battles of the 00's.
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 17, 2022, 08:34:28 AM
No one in Armagh is looking beyond staying in Div 1 and having a good run at Ulster. So troll on Tyrone.
24th July is the important date for booking hotels if anyone from Armagh is interested ;D
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Quote from: Applesisapples on February 17, 2022, 08:34:28 AM
No one in Armagh is looking beyond staying in Div 1 and having a good run at Ulster. So troll on Tyrone.
So after 8 years, a brilliant start to the league including beating Dublin and current AI champions your hope this year are for staying in division 1 And run out at ulster. Wow setting the world alight.
In all seriousness armagh fans should be excited. Hopefully this is the start of ulster teams progressing further in the AI. Be good to get back to the battles of the 00's.
We are aware of this believe it or not. We are rightly proud of some of the performances the players/management have put in but it is early in the year. A very large majority of Armagh fans are not thinking past Donegal. Of course there is a chance against them and reaching the Ulster final but that is a long way off. Donegal have been one of the top teams in Ulster for the last few years and they have proven themselves, Armagh have not.
The only people trying to big Armagh up on forums are Tyrone posters because there is nothing you would love to see more than Armagh collapsing when it comes to the championship.
Quote from: Solo_run on February 17, 2022, 01:32:30 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 17, 2022, 09:33:37 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 17, 2022, 08:34:28 AM
No one in Armagh is looking beyond staying in Div 1 and having a good run at Ulster. So troll on Tyrone.
So after 8 years, a brilliant start to the league including beating Dublin and current AI champions your hope this year are for staying in division 1 And run out at ulster. Wow setting the world alight.
In all seriousness armagh fans should be excited. Hopefully this is the start of ulster teams progressing further in the AI. Be good to get back to the battles of the 00's.
We are aware of this believe it or not. We are rightly proud of some of the performances the players/management have put in but it is early in the year. A very large majority of Armagh fans are not thinking past Donegal. Of course there is a chance against them and reaching the Ulster final but that is a long way off. Donegal have been one of the top teams in Ulster for the last few years and they have proven themselves, Armagh have not.
The only people trying to big Armagh up on forums are Tyrone posters because there is nothing you would love to see more than Armagh collapsing when it comes to the championship.
Absolutely! ;D
Quote from: Solo_run on February 17, 2022, 01:32:30 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 17, 2022, 09:33:37 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 17, 2022, 08:34:28 AM
No one in Armagh is looking beyond staying in Div 1 and having a good run at Ulster. So troll on Tyrone.
So after 8 years, a brilliant start to the league including beating Dublin and current AI champions your hope this year are for staying in division 1 And run out at ulster. Wow setting the world alight.
In all seriousness armagh fans should be excited. Hopefully this is the start of ulster teams progressing further in the AI. Be good to get back to the battles of the 00's.
We are aware of this believe it or not. We are rightly proud of some of the performances the players/management have put in but it is early in the year. A very large majority of Armagh fans are not thinking past Donegal. Of course there is a chance against them and reaching the Ulster final but that is a long way off. Donegal have been one of the top teams in Ulster for the last few years and they have proven themselves, Armagh have not.
The only people trying to big Armagh up on forums are Tyrone posters because there is nothing you would love to see more than Armagh collapsing when it comes to the championship.
It has taken those 8 years and a tremendous effort from Geezer to get to where they are, there is more to come I believe but not necessarily this year though we live in hope.
I reserve judgement on McGeeney for now I refuse to be mislead by the teams progression in the league. Yes it is encouraging to see and for now satisfies Armagh fans but as far as I am concerned our league performances will count for nothing if they do not translate into the championship. I would like to think the gap between Armagh and Donegal has closed significantly over the last number of years, if that is due to Armagh getting better or Donegal getting worse who knows? The opening championship game will tell us. Last year against Monaghan we had the chance to show what we were capable off but found ourselves out of the game by the first water break.
Quote from: Solo_run on February 17, 2022, 03:08:58 PM
I reserve judgement on McGeeney for now I refuse to be mislead by the teams progression in the league. Yes it is encouraging to see and for now satisfies Armagh fans but as far as I am concerned our league performances will count for nothing if they do not translate into the championship. I would like to think the gap between Armagh and Donegal has closed significantly over the last number of years, if that is due to Armagh getting better or Donegal getting worse who knows? The opening championship game will tell us. Last year against Monaghan we had the chance to show what we were capable off but found ourselves out of the game by the first water break.
Jesus you are hard to please, McGeeney took the job when no one wanted it as we were shite with no quality players.
Haven't seen much so far but are there signs that the defensive frailties have been lessened and if so what do you see as the main reasons for it ? They will be tested tomorrow anyway