Tomas O Se said last night that the top matches deserve to have one of the top 3 or 4 referees in charge. Who are these top 3 or 4 referees though. Coldrick is probably the best out there at the minute but the standard overall is very poor. McQuillan made an awful lot of mistakes yesterday for both teams. It is increasingly becoming an impossible game to referee though with so many cards and a non clearly defined tackle. The issue of time keeping is another bug bear and I don't underatand how a stop clock has not been introduced at this stage. They will probably go and goive the replay to Marty Duffy now!!!
The best referee is the one that hasn t fucked you over recently.
I used to think it was Coldrick until last August.
Any one of the Meath lads.
Take your pick.
Have a look at the two threads for the AI semi finals, and you might come to the same conclusion as me: we're getting the referees we deserve.
- Our players are cheating in every possible way.
- Our management teams and county boards refuse to accept suspensions and will use any loophole they can find to have them reversed.
- Our administrators point blank refuse to make a stance against the above behaviour by players, management and county boards, and as a result they undermine referees on a weekly basis.
- Our pundits don't understand the rules, don't like the rules, and cannot leave behind their county loyalties, so are unable to form an objective assessment of any incident, which unfortunately adds fuel to the fire that,
- Our supporters seem genuinely unable to accept any black or red card against their team as anything other than biased, inconsistent refereeing. They beat the "all we want is consistency" drum every week... until consistency doesn't suit them.
I've had rants against referees both weeks on Twitter, and know am fully aware that I'm just as bad as the people I'm condemning above.
We're getting the referees we deserve.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 31, 2015, 02:43:59 PM
Have a look at the two threads for the AI semi finals, and you might come to the same conclusion as me: we're getting the referees we deserve.
- Our players are cheating in every possible way.
- Our management teams and county boards refuse to accept suspensions and will use any loophole they can find to have them reversed.
- Our administrators point blank refuse to make a stance against the above behaviour by players, management and county boards, and as a result they undermine referees on a weekly basis.
- Our pundits don't understand the rules, don't like the rules, and cannot leave behind their county loyalties, so are unable to form an objective assessment of any incident, which unfortunately adds fuel to the fire that,
- Our supporters seem genuinely unable to accept any black or red card against their team as anything other than biased, inconsistent refereeing. They beat the "all we want is consistency" drum every week... until consistency doesn't suit them.
I've had rants against referees both weeks on Twitter, and know am fully aware that I'm just as bad as the people I'm condemning above.
We're getting the referees we deserve.
I would agree with all of this.
It's an amateur sport and the quality of referees is just that - amateur
The linesmen should be allowed enter the field of play and act as additional referees.
On the Mayo "penalty", it was impossible for McQuillan to keep pace with that attack. If one of the linesmen (covering that half of the field as in soccer) was allowed step in toward the centre of the field he'd have been able to tell McQuillan that it wasn't a penalty.
We have seven officials and six of them do f**k all.
Dave Goldrick reffing yesteday wasn't going to make a major difference, unless he has eyes in the back of his head.
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 31, 2015, 03:30:12 PM
The linesmen should be allowed enter the field of play and act as additional referees.
On the Mayo "penalty", it was impossible for McQuillan to keep pace with that attack. If one of the linesmen (covering that half of the field as in soccer) was allowed step in toward the centre of the field he'd have been able to tell McQuillan that it wasn't a penalty.
We have seven officials and six of them do f**k all.
I don't have too much of a problem with referees who get decisions wrong such as the Dublin penalty yesterday, it's genuinely not their fault, firstly we have no idea what they saw from their perspective and most things that happen on the pitch are open to interpretation. I for one thought the Mayo penalty was cast iron. Secondly the game is too big and too fast and too professional for modern referees and something needs to be done to assist them.
What I have a major issue with though is the number of inter county referees who clearly don't understand the rules. Duffy's decision not to award the penalty to Monaghan v Tyrone despite giving the foul and booking Morgan was a prime example of that. Those kinds of things are becoming more common these last few years and are inexcusable. I remembering Padraig Hughes refereeing our club a few years ago and moving a 45m free on the sideline to the middle of the 13m line for dissent. When asked why he did that by a club mate after the game his reply was that all dissent in injury time was automatically a 13m free.
I sound like a broken record, but no doubt in my mind the answer is to have 2 refs for each inter-county games
I thought mcquillan done very well yesterday.
Quote from: sligoman2 on August 31, 2015, 04:25:05 PM
I sound like a broken record, but no doubt in my mind the answer is to have 2 refs for each inter-county games
As long as they're not from Sligo :P
Quote from: sligoman2 on August 31, 2015, 04:25:05 PM
I sound like a broken record, but no doubt in my mind the answer is to have 2 refs for each inter-county games
Even better have a TMO. I've said it before not too long ago on here, not too hard a measure to implement either. Have another inter county ref up in the hogan with a TV monitor where he can watch a quick replay of any incidents so that the correct decision can be made. Have him hooked up via ear piece to the ref so that they are in constant communication.
Surely this would reduce the amount of time energy and resources wasted on appeals and the like, and possibly make players think twice before striking, headbutting or hair-ruffling an opponent. Will also improve the level of refereeing as a ref can make the big decisions with nearly no chance of getting them wrong.
Quote from: sligoman2 on August 31, 2015, 04:25:05 PM
I sound like a broken record, but no doubt in my mind the answer is to have 2 refs for each inter-county games
Jez, we have 4 umpires, 2 linesmen and a 4th official (Seven people to help the Referee). SEVEN. Educate these lads in the game, give these lads advisory powers to help the Referee. Spread the pressure of the decisions. Take timekeeping away from him, use of umpires to determine penalties. Use of all 7 (including 4th official) for off the ball decisions and all the on the ball decisions out of view of the referee.
Quote from: general_lee on August 31, 2015, 05:13:12 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on August 31, 2015, 04:25:05 PM
I sound like a broken record, but no doubt in my mind the answer is to have 2 refs for each inter-county games
Even better have a TMO. I've said it before not too long ago on here, not too hard a measure to implement either. Have another inter county ref up in the hogan with a TV monitor where he can watch a quick replay of any incidents so that the correct decision can be made. Have him hooked up via ear piece to the ref so that they are in constant communication.
Surely this would reduce the amount of time energy and resources wasted on appeals and the like, and possibly make players think twice before striking, headbutting or hair-ruffling an opponent. Will also improve the level of refereeing as a ref can make the big decisions with nearly no chance of getting them wrong.
I don't agree with the use of a TMO. There's too much in the game that's open to interpretation and I could easily see the TMO and the ref being in conflict
Quote from: David McKeown on August 31, 2015, 05:45:34 PM
Quote from: general_lee on August 31, 2015, 05:13:12 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on August 31, 2015, 04:25:05 PM
I sound like a broken record, but no doubt in my mind the answer is to have 2 refs for each inter-county games
Even better have a TMO. I've said it before not too long ago on here, not too hard a measure to implement either. Have another inter county ref up in the hogan with a TV monitor where he can watch a quick replay of any incidents so that the correct decision can be made. Have him hooked up via ear piece to the ref so that they are in constant communication.
Surely this would reduce the amount of time energy and resources wasted on appeals and the like, and possibly make players think twice before striking, headbutting or hair-ruffling an opponent. Will also improve the level of refereeing as a ref can make the big decisions with nearly no chance of getting them wrong.
I don't agree with the use of a TMO. There's too much in the game that's open to interpretation and I could easily see the TMO and the ref being in conflict
Could do it like in the NBA where the ref's original call (or non-call) stands unless the video unambiguously shows the call was mistaken.
Unfortunately no matter who ref was he would have struggled. Look folks no ref ever goes out to purposely make mistakes. Players are the same yet the ref gets awful abuse for very little. If a player makes a mistake he usually gets a shot at redemption but the poor ref does not. On yesterday a few errors were made. But they are not hanging offences by any means. Much of the problem on forums stems from people's perception of the rules or ignorance of them. Even the players as was shown when objecting to kick outs that stayed within the 21m line but travelled the required distance. Surely players should know this. A jersey pull too is neither a yellow nor black card on the first occasion but may be a yellow for a second Jersey tug. All told I can find very little wrong with ref yesterday bar a few errors but again 5/6 in every match is normal these days. On the subject I predicted Kinsella for the replay and Coldrick for the final.
Quote from: T Toatler on August 31, 2015, 07:19:44 PM
Unfortunately no matter who ref was he would have struggled. Look folks no ref ever goes out to purposely make mistakes. Players are the same yet the ref gets awful abuse for very little. If a player makes a mistake he usually gets a shot at redemption but the poor ref does not. On yesterday a few errors were made. But they are not hanging offences by any means. Much of the problem on forums stems from people's perception of the rules or ignorance of them. Even the players as was shown when objecting to kick outs that stayed within the 21m line but travelled the required distance. Surely players should know this. A jersey pull too is neither a yellow nor black card on the first occasion but may be a yellow for a second Jersey tug. All told I can find very little wrong with ref yesterday bar a few errors but again 5/6 in every match is normal these days. On the subject I predicted Kinsella for the replay and Coldrick for the final.
I would agree with all of this.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on August 31, 2015, 08:20:02 PM
Quote from: T Toatler on August 31, 2015, 07:19:44 PM
Unfortunately no matter who ref was he would have struggled. Look folks no ref ever goes out to purposely make mistakes. Players are the same yet the ref gets awful abuse for very little. If a player makes a mistake he usually gets a shot at redemption but the poor ref does not. On yesterday a few errors were made. But they are not hanging offences by any means. Much of the problem on forums stems from people's perception of the rules or ignorance of them. Even the players as was shown when objecting to kick outs that stayed within the 21m line but travelled the required distance. Surely players should know this. A jersey pull too is neither a yellow nor black card on the first occasion but may be a yellow for a second Jersey tug. All told I can find very little wrong with ref yesterday bar a few errors but again 5/6 in every match is normal these days. On the subject I predicted Kinsella for the replay and Coldrick for the final.
I would agree with all of this.
I would agree that referees, like goalkeepers, can have an excellent game but get hung out to dry over 1 mistake - sure Sludden was applauded off at half time before making 'that' call.....
There is a problem however where referees either a) don't know the rules or b) don't apply the rules consistently. How often have we seen a black card for one offence turns into a yellow for an identical offence 5min later...
I think it's more that they appear afraid or uncertain over the colour of the card. Against Tyrone Kerry shud have had a black no doubt. In comparison McAuleys was a borderline call in fairness. Could never see it given in a club match. I think all we want is the right call most of the time. In these matches though the ref needs his umpires and linesmen to be involved. If linesmen are to become involved it needs to be from the start. Two very quick yellow cards mostly does the trick. Martin Sludden will always be remembered for one mistake, most unfortunate for him but it does not make him a bad ref either. His treatment was appalling.
being unrealistic I feel, the referee on Sunday did well, and for not having automatic tv replays at his disposal he did really well, I'm all for the full use of the 7 officials and in most cases like off the ball stuff that goes on they normally use them, its a nonsense not too and just creates more problems for you....
I use the lines men to position themselves for frees also as some umpires are standing too close to the post (due to space around some grounds) and I can move into a different position so that we get good view of things.. certainly take the time keeping away from the referee also no reason as to why they have it now as they normally tell the standby referee how much time is left in injury (I always stop my watch during a break in play and re start it when play resumes, my watch is never the same as the managers though they have caught on now)
Like the players the referee is pumped up for the big games, he'll make mistakes like everyone else on the pitch, managers included and is annoyed when finding out that there should have been a yellow for that or black card for that... only takes a player or two to cross by an incident to put of a view of what actually happened, its just not that easy...
A thankless task made even harder but numpties who 'know all the rules' when they play back the game and sit with the rules book ;-)
It's time to have 7 proper officials at the match ( 8 including the "4th" official ).
This would be for championship of course.
Best refs should referee only. If that amounts to 5/6 then so be it.
Next tier of refs should be linesmen only as they're not good enough to referee ( ironic I know ) nut near me out.
Next tier of refs should be umpires only. No more auld lads that have difficulty seeing if it's a wide, over the bar or a 45.
I agree with Tomás. If there are only a handful of top referees, then they should get all the games.
What's the point of having a championship panel of 30/40/50 referees ?.
It's time to grade them and move them up and down.
I think the panel is only about 18/20 even less in hurling I think it's 10.
Quote from: orangeman on September 01, 2015, 01:21:33 PM
It's time to have 7 proper officials at the match ( 8 including the "4th" official ).
This would be for championship of course.
Best refs should referee only. If that amounts to 5/6 then so be it.
Next tier of refs should be linesmen only as they're not good enough to referee ( ironic I know ) nut near me out.
Next tier of refs should be umpires only. No more auld lads that have difficulty seeing if it's a wide, over the bar or a 45.
I agree with Tomás. If there are only a handful of top referees, then they should get all the games.
What's the point of having a championship panel of 30/40/50 referees ?.
It's time to grade them and move them up and down.
Would also look at fitness tests later on in the year also.. Christ some of them balloon out once they have past the initial fitness test done in Jan!!
Maybe someone should invent some kind of speedy robot, computerized referee who can buzz around the action, levitating to get a birds eye view if necessary. Because no human can possibly meet the standards required by some of the eejits in the media and this board.
To answer the original question, David Gough has done well any time I've seen him this year.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 01, 2015, 04:05:04 PM
To answer the original question, David Gough has done well any time I've seen him this year.
Would agree. Best I have seen in recent years.
Two worst are Marty Duffy and Cormac Reilly hasn't a clue does not even know the rules hes a joke.
Eddie Kinsella is way over rated too hes a poor ref
A TMO can be used in a constructive way, for example allow the ref to ask a closed question only. Is that a penalty yes or no? Was that a punch yes or no?
One of the problems is that the pool is too small and the continued use of a "select" band of refs tends to exaccerbate the problem as players know how to play them. Its hard to believe that a football county like Galway does not have a top class ref since Ml Curley. Mayo have not had an All Ireland ref since PJ McGrath. Roscommon? Cork and Kerry are under-represented too though with Kerry in the semis almost annually it might be hard to progress.
The group of refs we have range from average to good. they are under constant analysis by assessors and are often second guessed by these guys who have all the time in the world to make decisions. this leads to refs reffing to protect their rating rather than going by their instincts.
Finally the media play a huge part in this. In nearly every game he refs Marty Duffy will blow while there is action out the field and award a 13m free for holding in the full forward line. this happens irregardless of whither the forward in question was even going to make a play for the ball. The media nearly wet themselseves at his vision and the resulting score often has a crucial bearing on a game. Have you ever seen a ref blow a free for off the ball holding of a defender?
I've always liked Maurice Deegan, but I can see the argument for Coldrick as well.
Gough is very, very fussy at times (and by all accounts very sensitive too) and can interrupt the flow of the game unnecessarily, but even he's pretty solid. The standard's not so bad.
There is one consistently awful ref, mentioned above, but the rest are decent officials who are as capable of having off days as anyone else, players included.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 02, 2015, 11:08:07 AM
One of the problems is that the pool is too small and the continued use of a "select" band of refs tends to exaccerbate the problem as players know how to play them. Its hard to believe that a football county like Galway does not have a top class ref since Ml Curley. Mayo have not had an All Ireland ref since PJ McGrath. Roscommon? Cork and Kerry are under-represented too though with Kerry in the semis almost annually it might be hard to progress.
The group of refs we have range from average to good. they are under constant analysis by assessors and are often second guessed by these guys who have all the time in the world to make decisions. this leads to refs reffing to protect their rating rather than going by their instincts.
Finally the media play a huge part in this. In nearly every game he refs Marty Duffy will blow while there is action out the field and award a 13m free for holding in the full forward line. this happens irregardless of whither the forward in question was even going to make a play for the ball. The media nearly wet themselseves at his vision and the resulting score often has a crucial bearing on a game. Have you ever seen a ref blow a free for off the ball holding of a defender?
Why would a forward hold a defender, off the ball?
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2015, 01:33:36 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 02, 2015, 11:08:07 AM
One of the problems is that the pool is too small and the continued use of a "select" band of refs tends to exaccerbate the problem as players know how to play them. Its hard to believe that a football county like Galway does not have a top class ref since Ml Curley. Mayo have not had an All Ireland ref since PJ McGrath. Roscommon? Cork and Kerry are under-represented too though with Kerry in the semis almost annually it might be hard to progress.
The group of refs we have range from average to good. they are under constant analysis by assessors and are often second guessed by these guys who have all the time in the world to make decisions. this leads to refs reffing to protect their rating rather than going by their instincts.
Finally the media play a huge part in this. In nearly every game he refs Marty Duffy will blow while there is action out the field and award a 13m free for holding in the full forward line. this happens irregardless of whither the forward in question was even going to make a play for the ball. The media nearly wet themselseves at his vision and the resulting score often has a crucial bearing on a game. Have you ever seen a ref blow a free for off the ball holding of a defender?
Why would a forward hold a defender, off the ball?
I know this is a daft post... if he or a club man or county play from his county was being held off the ball while trying to make a run for space to collect the ball he'd be having a fit!!! Posters coming on giving off about referees while not know the rules themselves, couldn't make it up!! Next
Cillian O Connor, did a good job last week. Kept himself on the field after that elbow swing (that was a red card) and got the best player in the country sent off after "Leroy" (ffs) battered the head off him. He failed to send off Copper, McMahon and O Sullivan. Maybe this weekend. O Connor is worth watching this wend.
Many forwards keep a grip on defender until ball is being played. A sharp tug backwards on the jersey and a dash forward will usually give an advantage. This has nothing to do with knowledge of playing rule, ... just simple observation of whats happening on the field.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 03, 2015, 05:28:09 PM
Many forwards keep a grip on defender until ball is being played. A sharp tug backwards on the jersey and a dash forward will usually give an advantage. This has nothing to do with knowledge of playing rule, ... just simple observation of whats happening on the field.
And that's a foul too, and when referee sees it its called... Why anyone thinks holding a jersey be he forward or back isn't a foul is thick... But only, and only when the referee sees it, not the supporters in the crowd or ones watching the replays on tv... Referee gets one look
Martin Sludden.
I know he is the best ref in Ireland because he told me he was
Quote from: Rudi on September 03, 2015, 09:29:07 AM
Cillian O Connor, did a good job last week. Kept himself on the field after that elbow swing (that was a red card) and got the best player in the country sent off after "Leroy" (ffs) battered the head off him. He failed to send off Copper, McMahon and O Sullivan. Maybe this weekend. O Connor is worth watching this wend.
Rudi, go back to Notre Dame. :D
Mr Kinsella was superb today.
Kinsella reffed that game very well, didn't make it all about himself and used common sense.
Excellent display by Eddie.
Everyone was on their best behaviour though, it must be said.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2015, 08:35:30 PM
Mr Kinsella was superb today.
Yea I thought he had a good game, especially considering the pressure around the fixture.
Players yes were more disciplined but Eddie helps that as he seems to explain decisions and talk to players. No arrogance as opposed to others whose dictatorship style promotes revolt among players! David goldrick and Eddie best performers this year
was dreading today when kinsella got the gig, but he was excellent.
Thought joe mcquillan was good last week too but.
A lot easier reffed when teams are going out to play. But Eddie did do well.
Eddie Kinsella did vey good today but it was an infinitely easier game to ref than last weeks, therefore I reckon McQuillan excelled last week, Coldrick and Geogh are also excellent refs.
Even Marty has his good moments.
Of course, if somebody is demanding perfection or demanding that the ref decides everything the way they think it should be decided or just magnifies the enormity of the injustice everytime such and such a ref has made a poor decision against their team, then we have cráp refs who haven't got a clue and we have amongst us the most perfect fans who know exactly what should be decided at any given time in a game, in a nanosecond.
I could've reffed it. If players behave any ref should manage a game at this stage.
Kinsella very good apart from the black card, should have been two yellows. Or if he was interpreting that as a deliberate body collide it should have been two blacks.
He did very well. We're quick to jump on them when they don't. But as lads have said, it's a lot easier to ref a game when the players play it in the right spirit. So instead of just blaming refs all the time, maybe we need to have a look at the way we are sending out our teams?
AS for the black card, I can see why he gave it. He indicated to O'Shea that he had pulled the lad to the ground, so the linesman obviously told him he grabbed him and dragged him to the ground. I thought it was a yellow myself, but it was undeniably stupid and it wasn't outrageous. If the linesman said, he caught him and dragged him onto the ground, then Kinsella had to give a black.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 07, 2015, 10:46:41 AM
He did very well. We're quick to jump on them when they don't. But as lads have said, it's a lot easier to ref a game when the players play it in the right spirit. So instead of just blaming refs all the time, maybe we need to have a look at the way we are sending out our teams?
AS for the black card, I can see why he gave it. He indicated to O'Shea that he had pulled the lad to the ground, so the linesman obviously told him he grabbed him and dragged him to the ground. I thought it was a yellow myself, but it was undeniably stupid and it wasn't outrageous. If the linesman said, he caught him and dragged him onto the ground, then Kinsella had to give a black.
Yep, I assume he went on the linesmans word and it wasn't therefore directly his call. It was never a 'pull down' though and as mentioned, if it was then common sense should prevail as it was an off-the-ball incident and the black card and pull down issue is meant for incidents in and around the ball.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 07, 2015, 10:53:17 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 07, 2015, 10:46:41 AM
He did very well. We're quick to jump on them when they don't. But as lads have said, it's a lot easier to ref a game when the players play it in the right spirit. So instead of just blaming refs all the time, maybe we need to have a look at the way we are sending out our teams?
AS for the black card, I can see why he gave it. He indicated to O'Shea that he had pulled the lad to the ground, so the linesman obviously told him he grabbed him and dragged him to the ground. I thought it was a yellow myself, but it was undeniably stupid and it wasn't outrageous. If the linesman said, he caught him and dragged him onto the ground, then Kinsella had to give a black.
Yep, I assume he went on the linesmans word and it wasn't therefore directly his call. It was never a 'pull down' though and as mentioned, if it was then common sense should prevail as it was an off-the-ball incident and the black card and pull down issue is meant for incidents in and around the ball.
Agreed. Good points about it being the linesman's call, back to a very good game for Mr. Kinsella.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 07, 2015, 10:53:17 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 07, 2015, 10:46:41 AM
He did very well. We're quick to jump on them when they don't. But as lads have said, it's a lot easier to ref a game when the players play it in the right spirit. So instead of just blaming refs all the time, maybe we need to have a look at the way we are sending out our teams?
AS for the black card, I can see why he gave it. He indicated to O'Shea that he had pulled the lad to the ground, so the linesman obviously told him he grabbed him and dragged him to the ground. I thought it was a yellow myself, but it was undeniably stupid and it wasn't outrageous. If the linesman said, he caught him and dragged him onto the ground, then Kinsella had to give a black.
Yep, I assume he went on the linesmans word and it wasn't therefore directly his call. It was never a 'pull down' though and as mentioned, if it was then common sense should prevail as it was an off-the-ball incident and the black card and pull down issue is meant for incidents in and around the ball.
There is nothing in the rules to say, it is do with having the ball. That has nothing to do with a black card.
I remember lip reading the linesman at the time and I knew it would be a black card. It should have been a black card anyway, he pulled him down. So stupid.
Kinsella did reasonably well but it was an easy game to ref. Plus the way it went the final score was never in doubt.
Will Marty get the final? Hasn't many years left. The Tyrone/Monaghan game might have been his Waterloo.
You're a hard man to please Seanie :) I thought he did very well, and if you agree with the black card, then he basically got everything important correct.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 07, 2015, 02:55:58 PM
You're a hard man to please Seanie :) I thought he did very well, and if you agree with the black card, then he basically got everything important correct.
He made a bizarre decision at the start. Dubs were 1 point to Nil up and were awarded a free right in the middle of the field. Dubs went to take it, but Doherty blocked the quick one. Kinsella turned around and said throw ball!
Love to know what his rationale was, and was very worried about him then. But have to admit he was very good after that - reasonably consistent for both teams - perhaps allowed defenders get away with tackling forwards with contact (rightly), but when a forward touched a defender it was a very quick free (but same at both ends of the pitch which is all you can ask).
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 07, 2015, 02:52:30 PM
I remember lip reading the linesman at the time and I knew it would be a black card. It should have been a black card anyway, he pulled him down. So stupid.
Kinsella did reasonably well but it was an easy game to ref. Plus the way it went the final score was never in doubt.
Will Marty get the final? Hasn't many years left. The Tyrone/Monaghan game might have been his Waterloo.
Look this is a stupid statement... The players made an easy game to referee....the referee sets the tone by being up to speed with the players talking to them and catching the majority of the fouls... Players aren't stupid they quickly adopt to a referees style and know their boundaries...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 08, 2015, 09:19:37 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 07, 2015, 02:52:30 PM
I remember lip reading the linesman at the time and I knew it would be a black card. It should have been a black card anyway, he pulled him down. So stupid.
Kinsella did reasonably well but it was an easy game to ref. Plus the way it went the final score was never in doubt.
Will Marty get the final? Hasn't many years left. The Tyrone/Monaghan game might have been his Waterloo.
Look this is a stupid statement... The players made an easy game to referee....the referee sets the tone by being up to speed with the players talking to them and catching the majority of the fouls... Players aren't stupid they quickly adopt to a referees style and know their boundaries...
Why did you pull me alone? Several people said it was an easy game to ref.
I disagree that Eddie Kinsella had much to do with him "setting the tone" - I just think after the last day everyone was on their best behaviour.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 08, 2015, 09:35:56 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 08, 2015, 09:19:37 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 07, 2015, 02:52:30 PM
I remember lip reading the linesman at the time and I knew it would be a black card. It should have been a black card anyway, he pulled him down. So stupid.
Kinsella did reasonably well but it was an easy game to ref. Plus the way it went the final score was never in doubt.
Will Marty get the final? Hasn't many years left. The Tyrone/Monaghan game might have been his Waterloo.
Look this is a stupid statement... The players made an easy game to referee....the referee sets the tone by being up to speed with the players talking to them and catching the majority of the fouls... Players aren't stupid they quickly adopt to a referees style and know their boundaries...
Why did you pull me alone? Several people said it was an easy game to ref.
I disagree that Eddie Kinsella had much to do with him "setting the tone" - I just think after the last day everyone was on their best behaviour.
Nothing with you personally but it was the nearest to next post... I believe (as I'm a referee) the referee can very quickly set the tone for the game, can be a word with a player or manager before the game stating what he will accept and wont, giving the players a idea of what to expect, any manager worth his salt will know how a referee plays the game and his players should also act accordingly , especially at that level, no stone and all that malarkey...
And when he blows for the first couple of fouls players see what they can 'get away with' or not. bar the few indiscretions of the following week I didn't see it as a dirty game so being on their best behaviour for the next day (for me) doesn't come into it, it's an All Ireland semi final, one shot to get to play in a final, you'll go hell for leather from get go, like they did... Anyway I'm in agreement that Eddie did really well but unlike you I think it has a lot more to do with the referee (as to why he did well) as to the players allowing him to officiate well... agree to disagree on that ;)
David Coldrick gets the senior AI and David Gough the minor. Good choices.
Cormac Reilly must be senior linesman.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 08, 2015, 04:13:00 PM
David Coldrick gets the senior AI and David Gough the minor. Good choices.
Agreed. Two of the best referees this year.