Interesting comments from Dublin manager Jim Gavin.
https://beanbagsports.com/blog/2015/08/18/jim-gavin-aidan-oshea-is-probably-the-top-player-in-ireland/ (https://beanbagsports.com/blog/2015/08/18/jim-gavin-aidan-oshea-is-probably-the-top-player-in-ireland/)
Quote from: davegaasportsdesk on August 19, 2015, 06:22:03 PM
Interesting comments from Dublin manager Jim Gavin.
https://beanbagsports.com/blog/2015/08/18/jim-gavin-aidan-oshea-is-probably-the-top-player-in-ireland/ (https://beanbagsports.com/blog/2015/08/18/jim-gavin-aidan-oshea-is-probably-the-top-player-in-ireland/)
I'd be fairly sure Jim wouldn't swap Connelly or Brogan for him.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2015, 06:26:36 PM
Quote from: davegaasportsdesk on August 19, 2015, 06:22:03 PM
Interesting comments from Dublin manager Jim Gavin.
https://beanbagsports.com/blog/2015/08/18/jim-gavin-aidan-oshea-is-probably-the-top-player-in-ireland/ (https://beanbagsports.com/blog/2015/08/18/jim-gavin-aidan-oshea-is-probably-the-top-player-in-ireland/)
I'd be fairly sure Jim wouldn't swap Connelly or Brogan for him.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. The one thing Dublin don't have is a big target man, if they had one it would allow for a Plan B.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 19, 2015, 06:33:32 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2015, 06:26:36 PM
Quote from: davegaasportsdesk on August 19, 2015, 06:22:03 PM
Interesting comments from Dublin manager Jim Gavin.
https://beanbagsports.com/blog/2015/08/18/jim-gavin-aidan-oshea-is-probably-the-top-player-in-ireland/ (https://beanbagsports.com/blog/2015/08/18/jim-gavin-aidan-oshea-is-probably-the-top-player-in-ireland/)
I'd be fairly sure Jim wouldn't swap Connelly or Brogan for him.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. The one thing Dublin don't have is a big target man, if they had one it would allow for a Plan B.
Dean Rock
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2015, 06:26:36 PM
Quote from: davegaasportsdesk on August 19, 2015, 06:22:03 PM
Interesting comments from Dublin manager Jim Gavin.
https://beanbagsports.com/blog/2015/08/18/jim-gavin-aidan-oshea-is-probably-the-top-player-in-ireland/ (https://beanbagsports.com/blog/2015/08/18/jim-gavin-aidan-oshea-is-probably-the-top-player-in-ireland/)
I'd be fairly sure Jim wouldn't swap Connelly or Brogan for him.
Both older and less versatile.
From Gavin you'd have to doubt his sincerity. And AOS has a decent bit of football about him but he's never been the greatest finisher or passer in the world either, which is a bit frightening given how good he is already. The best footballer for me would be Keith Higgins or Paul Flynn. But 'footballer' is such a loose term it can mean different things to different people.
A poor man's Big Joe.
Quote from: Syferus on August 19, 2015, 06:38:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2015, 06:26:36 PM
Quote from: davegaasportsdesk on August 19, 2015, 06:22:03 PM
Interesting comments from Dublin manager Jim Gavin.
https://beanbagsports.com/blog/2015/08/18/jim-gavin-aidan-oshea-is-probably-the-top-player-in-ireland/ (https://beanbagsports.com/blog/2015/08/18/jim-gavin-aidan-oshea-is-probably-the-top-player-in-ireland/)
I'd be fairly sure Jim wouldn't swap Connelly or Brogan for him.
Both older and less versatile.
One trick ponies the pair of them
Quote from: Jinxy on August 19, 2015, 08:19:42 PM
A poor man's Big Joe.
To be fair Joe's a better finisher but O'Se is handier at the lineout
Quote from: Jinxy on August 19, 2015, 08:19:42 PM
A poor man's Big Joe.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm197/Moysider12/Av2GWR4CMAEgNl7_zps2fm8zhtr.jpeg) (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/Moysider12/media/Av2GWR4CMAEgNl7_zps2fm8zhtr.jpeg.html)
100% Jinxy.
I for one wouldn t fancy the job of him.
Quote from: Syferus on August 19, 2015, 06:38:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2015, 06:26:36 PM
Quote from: davegaasportsdesk on August 19, 2015, 06:22:03 PM
Interesting comments from Dublin manager Jim Gavin.
https://beanbagsports.com/blog/2015/08/18/jim-gavin-aidan-oshea-is-probably-the-top-player-in-ireland/ (https://beanbagsports.com/blog/2015/08/18/jim-gavin-aidan-oshea-is-probably-the-top-player-in-ireland/)
I'd be fairly sure Jim wouldn't swap Connelly or Brogan for him.
Both older and less versatile.
From Gavin you'd have to doubt his sincerity. And AOS has a decent bit of football about him but he's never been the greatest finisher or passer in the world either, which is a bit frightening given how good he is already. The best footballer for me would be Keith Higgins or Paul Flynn. But 'footballer' is such a loose term it can mean different things to different people.
Connolly has no versatility. He's past it.
The stars are aligning
I personally think its David Moran!
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 19, 2015, 09:05:45 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 19, 2015, 08:19:42 PM
A poor man's Big Joe.
To be fair Joe's a better finisher but O'Se is handier at the lineout
;D ;D ;D
Quality!
Not quite best actor in a Tyrone jersey, but very, very good.
Its Diarmuid Connolly- Dublin trying to turn themselves into the outside chance but they'd nearly be expected to win
It's whoever is going the best on the team that is going the furthest.
James O Donoghue one year.
Michael Murphy another.
Diarmuid Connolly another.
You d have to go back to mid 90's to get a player that was 'carrying' a team. Peter Canavan. By the mid 00s he was the cherry on the top of a fine cake. Murphy had likes of Durcan, Gallagher, Lacey, McGlynn, McGee and McFadden at times, being top class as well.
Connolly and O'Donoghue as well have considerable cavalry in support. In fact you could make a case for more important players on both those sides.
Quote from: moysider on August 20, 2015, 12:28:53 AM
It's whoever is going the best on the team that is going the furthest.
James O Donoghue one year.
Michael Murphy another.
Diarmuid Connolly another.
You d have to go back to mid 90's to get a player that was 'carrying' a team. Peter Canavan. By the mid 00s he was the cherry on the top of a fine cake. Murphy had likes of Durcan, Gallagher, Lacey, McGlynn, McGee and McFadden at times, being top class as well.
Connolly and O'Donoghue as well have considerable cavalry in support. In fact you could make a case for more important players on both those sides.
In fairness if carrying a team is the requirement it's got to be Niall McNamee and Emlyn Mulligan.
Quote from: Syferus on August 20, 2015, 12:44:28 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 20, 2015, 12:28:53 AM
It's whoever is going the best on the team that is going the furthest.
James O Donoghue one year.
Michael Murphy another.
Diarmuid Connolly another.
You d have to go back to mid 90's to get a player that was 'carrying' a team. Peter Canavan. By the mid 00s he was the cherry on the top of a fine cake. Murphy had likes of Durcan, Gallagher, Lacey, McGlynn, McGee and McFadden at times, being top class as well.
Connolly and O'Donoghue as well have considerable cavalry in support. In fact you could make a case for more important players on both those sides.
In fairness if carrying a team is the requirement it's got to be Niall McNamee and Emlyn Mulligan.
Yeah. Add in likes of Peter McGinnity, O Hara, Declan Browne, Mickey Kearins, Dessie Barry, Kevin O Brien, Mattie Forde, in the past.
But Canavan was the alpha player for Tyrone in mid 90s. Got within dodgy reffing of an AI with a welter-weight midfield. The 80s team had great big All Time Great players like McGuigan and Eugene McKenna. Then you had likes of Plunkett Donaghy, O Hagen and McCabe as well in those 80s teams. Some of the 90s Tyrone did last until the AIs. Everybody remembers Colm O Rourke saying that Tyrone would nt win an AI with likes of Dooher in the team. I thought that was silly at the time myself.
Anyway, what I m saying is, that Peter Canavan has been the most important individual player that I ve seen in a team at the highest level.
Quote from: tiempo on August 19, 2015, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 19, 2015, 06:33:32 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2015, 06:26:36 PM
Quote from: davegaasportsdesk on August 19, 2015, 06:22:03 PM
Interesting comments from Dublin manager Jim Gavin.
https://beanbagsports.com/blog/2015/08/18/jim-gavin-aidan-oshea-is-probably-the-top-player-in-ireland/ (https://beanbagsports.com/blog/2015/08/18/jim-gavin-aidan-oshea-is-probably-the-top-player-in-ireland/)
I'd be fairly sure Jim wouldn't swap Connelly or Brogan for him.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. The one thing Dublin don't have is a big target man, if they had one it would allow for a Plan B.
Dean Rock
Haha, Good man tiempo, very droll.
Quote from: moysider on August 20, 2015, 12:28:53 AM
It's whoever is going the best on the team that is going the furthest.
James O Donoghue one year.
Michael Murphy another.
Diarmuid Connolly another.
You d have to go back to mid 90's to get a player that was 'carrying' a team. Peter Canavan. By the mid 00s he was the cherry on the top of a fine cake. Murphy had likes of Durcan, Gallagher, Lacey, McGlynn, McGee and McFadden at times, being top class as well.
Connolly and O'Donoghue as well have considerable cavalry in support. In fact you could make a case for more important players on both those sides.
1997 Maurice Fitz carried that Kerry team.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 20, 2015, 09:14:35 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 20, 2015, 12:28:53 AM
It's whoever is going the best on the team that is going the furthest.
James O Donoghue one year.
Michael Murphy another.
Diarmuid Connolly another.
You d have to go back to mid 90's to get a player that was 'carrying' a team. Peter Canavan. By the mid 00s he was the cherry on the top of a fine cake. Murphy had likes of Durcan, Gallagher, Lacey, McGlynn, McGee and McFadden at times, being top class as well.
Connolly and O'Donoghue as well have considerable cavalry in support. In fact you could make a case for more important players on both those sides.
1997 Maurice Fitz carried that Kerry team.
Maurice had a bit more quality around him in 1997 AZ - the likes of Moynihan, Dara O'Shea, O'Cinneide etc. He was outstanding in the AIF for sure.
True enough, I suppose I'm really thinking 1997 was the peak. He basically carried that team all through the 90s.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on August 19, 2015, 11:11:45 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 19, 2015, 11:10:01 PM
I personally think its David Moran!
Why?
It's an opinion I suppose but I'm always drawn to midfielders when talking about the best footballers.
He has it all he's big, strong, excellent fielder of the ball, can kick off both feet, great range of passing and has no problem scoring. There are certainly no midfielders his equal in Ireland from what I can see!
Trying to plámás us now. Wait till everyone :-X sees his big smarmy smug grin after Dublin win by a point or two.
I wouldn't listen to a word Jim Gavin says. He's a bluffer of the highest order!
Jim Gavin is right, O Shea is the best footballer in Ireland and Mayo have all the momentum, its Mayo to lose now.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 12:39:33 PM
Jim Gavin is right, O Shea is the best footballer in Ireland and Mayo have all the momentum, its Mayo to lose now.
Ye Dubs haven't quite mastered the Yerra bit at all really. It's the inherent arrogance in ye that makes it all sound false :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 20, 2015, 03:22:27 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 12:39:33 PM
Jim Gavin is right, O Shea is the best footballer in Ireland and Mayo have all the momentum, its Mayo to lose now.
Ye Dubs haven't quite mastered the Yerra bit at all really. It's the inherent arrogance in ye that makes it all sound false :)
Correct. Comes across all patronising rather than cute.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 20, 2015, 03:22:27 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 12:39:33 PM
Jim Gavin is right, O Shea is the best footballer in Ireland and Mayo have all the momentum, its Mayo to lose now.
Ye Dubs haven't quite mastered the Yerra bit at all really. It's the inherent arrogance in ye that makes it all sound false :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 20, 2015, 03:22:27 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 12:39:33 PM
Jim Gavin is right, O Shea is the best footballer in Ireland and Mayo have all the momentum, its Mayo to lose now.
Ye Dubs haven't quite mastered the Yerra bit at all really. It's the inherent arrogance in ye that makes it all sound false :)
We are still learning the ways of Yerraaaism, its hard to master, we were thinking of having a training session with Darragh o Se and The Bomber Liston in DCU to assist.
But seriously, we are only having a bit craic of it and you lads should know that. For me anyway I know we are heavy favourites, have the better team and players and the only team that can be us is ourselves.
But Gavin is right that O Shea is possibly the most difficult player to mark/stop in the country at the moment, all he was doing was stating the obvious.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 05:13:57 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 20, 2015, 03:22:27 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 12:39:33 PM
Jim Gavin is right, O Shea is the best footballer in Ireland and Mayo have all the momentum, its Mayo to lose now.
Ye Dubs haven't quite mastered the Yerra bit at all really. It's the inherent arrogance in ye that makes it all sound false :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 20, 2015, 03:22:27 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 12:39:33 PM
Jim Gavin is right, O Shea is the best footballer in Ireland and Mayo have all the momentum, its Mayo to lose now.
Ye Dubs haven't quite mastered the Yerra bit at all really. It's the inherent arrogance in ye that makes it all sound false :)
We are still learning the ways of Yerraaaism, its hard to master, we were thinking of having a training session with Darragh o Se and The Bomber Liston in DCU to assist.
But seriously, we are only having a bit craic of it and you lads should know that. For me anyway I know we are heavy favourites, have the better team and players and the only team that can be us is ourselves.
But Gavin is right that O Shea is possibly the most difficult player to mark/stop in the country at the moment, all he was doing was stating the obvious.
Jez, easy on the humility! And the only team that can beat ye the next day is Mayo! I know there has been talk of splitting Dublin into two, but it has not happened yet!
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 05:13:57 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 20, 2015, 03:22:27 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 12:39:33 PM
Jim Gavin is right, O Shea is the best footballer in Ireland and Mayo have all the momentum, its Mayo to lose now.
Ye Dubs haven't quite mastered the Yerra bit at all really. It's the inherent arrogance in ye that makes it all sound false :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 20, 2015, 03:22:27 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 12:39:33 PM
Jim Gavin is right, O Shea is the best footballer in Ireland and Mayo have all the momentum, its Mayo to lose now.
Ye Dubs haven't quite mastered the Yerra bit at all really. It's the inherent arrogance in ye that makes it all sound false :)
We are still learning the ways of Yerraaaism, its hard to master, we were thinking of having a training session with Darragh o Se and The Bomber Liston in DCU to assist.
But seriously, we are only having a bit craic of it and you lads should know that. For me anyway I know we are heavy favourites, have the better team and players and the only team that can be us is ourselves.
But Gavin is right that O Shea is possibly the most difficult player to mark/stop in the country at the moment, all he was doing was stating the obvious.
Worst Yerra EVER!
:D
Yearra. He ll never pass muster.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2015, 11:58:09 AM
Trying to plámás us now. Wait till everyone :-X sees his big smarmy smug grin after Dublin win by a point or two.
Only a point or two! The Dubs will be moving out of sight in the last fifteen minutes.
COYBIB
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 20, 2015, 06:29:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2015, 11:58:09 AM
Trying to plámás us now. Wait till everyone :-X sees his big smarmy smug grin after Dublin win by a point or two.
Only a point or two! The Dubs will be moving out of sight in the last fifteen minutes.
COYBIB
Mayo's last 3 defeats in the Championship were to the eventual Champions:
2014 - 3 points after extra-time in a reply in Moyross
2013 - 1 point
2012 - 4 points
If the Dubs are 'out of sight' at the end, fair play to them.
And of course we are unbeaten in CP since 2013. :D
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on August 20, 2015, 10:11:03 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 20, 2015, 09:14:35 AM
1997 Maurice Fitz carried that Kerry team.
Maurice had a bit more quality around him in 1997 AZ - the likes of Moynihan, Dara O'Shea, O'Cinneide etc. He was outstanding in the AIF for sure.
Billy O'Shea was having a "Man of the Match" performance for the twenty or so minutes he was on the field in '97 until Maurice intervened.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 05:13:57 PMthe only team that can be us is ourselves.
It's for insights like this that I read this board.
Quote from: moysider on August 20, 2015, 01:29:57 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 20, 2015, 12:44:28 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 20, 2015, 12:28:53 AM
It's whoever is going the best on the team that is going the furthest.
James O Donoghue one year.
Michael Murphy another.
Diarmuid Connolly another.
You d have to go back to mid 90's to get a player that was 'carrying' a team. Peter Canavan. By the mid 00s he was the cherry on the top of a fine cake. Murphy had likes of Durcan, Gallagher, Lacey, McGlynn, McGee and McFadden at times, being top class as well.
Connolly and O'Donoghue as well have considerable cavalry in support. In fact you could make a case for more important players on both those sides.
In fairness if carrying a team is the requirement it's got to be Niall McNamee and Emlyn Mulligan.
Yeah. Add in likes of Peter McGinnity, O Hara, Declan Browne, Mickey Kearins, Dessie Barry, Kevin O Brien, Mattie Forde, in the past.
But Canavan was the alpha player for Tyrone in mid 90s. Got within dodgy reffing of an AI with a welter-weight midfield. The 80s team had great big All Time Great players like McGuigan and Eugene McKenna. Then you had likes of Plunkett Donaghy, O Hagen and McCabe as well in those 80s teams. Some of the 90s Tyrone did last until the AIs. Everybody remembers Colm O Rourke saying that Tyrone would nt win an AI with likes of Dooher in the team. I thought that was silly at the time myself.
Anyway, what I m saying is, that Peter Canavan has been the most important individual player that I ve seen in a team at the highest level.
Totally agree with this, that's why I think Canavan is the best player I have ever seen
Quote from: Hardy on August 20, 2015, 08:15:03 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 05:13:57 PMthe only team that can beat us is ourselves.
It's for insights like this that I read this board.
Took me a few hours to come up with that line.
What I really meant was if we play to our best we will beat them even if Mayo play to their best, they are not a better team that Dublin and don't have the better players.
Quote from: muppet on August 20, 2015, 06:34:35 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 20, 2015, 06:29:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2015, 11:58:09 AM
Trying to plámás us now. Wait till everyone :-X sees his big smarmy smug grin after Dublin win by a point or two.
Only a point or two! The Dubs will be moving out of sight in the last fifteen minutes.
COYBIB
Mayo's last 3 defeats in the Championship were to the eventual Champions:
2014 - 3 points after extra-time in a reply in Moyross
2013 - 1 point
2012 - 4 points
If the Dubs are 'out of sight' at the end, fair play to them.
And of course we are unbeaten in CP since 2013. :D
Point of order, it was on the posh Ennis Road. If it was in Moyross you'd have lost AND had your bus burned out.
Quote from: muppet on August 20, 2015, 06:34:35 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 20, 2015, 06:29:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2015, 11:58:09 AM
Trying to plámás us now. Wait till everyone :-X sees his big smarmy smug grin after Dublin win by a point or two.
Only a point or two! The Dubs will be moving out of sight in the last fifteen minutes.
COYBIB
Mayo's last 3 defeats in the Championship were to the eventual Champions:
2014 - 3 points after extra-time in a reply in Moyross
2013 - 1 point
2012 - 4 points
If the Dubs are 'out of sight' at the end, fair play to them.
And of course we are unbeaten in CP since 2013. :D
There's been one big change in Mayo's circumstances since 2014. There is a new management team in charge. From here on they are going to move into uncharted waters (for them). How will the new management cope with the squalls which they will surely face?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 21, 2015, 03:27:42 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 20, 2015, 06:34:35 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 20, 2015, 06:29:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 20, 2015, 11:58:09 AM
Trying to plámás us now. Wait till everyone :-X sees his big smarmy smug grin after Dublin win by a point or two.
Only a point or two! The Dubs will be moving out of sight in the last fifteen minutes.
COYBIB
Mayo's last 3 defeats in the Championship were to the eventual Champions:
2014 - 3 points after extra-time in a reply in Moyross
2013 - 1 point
2012 - 4 points
If the Dubs are 'out of sight' at the end, fair play to them.
And of course we are unbeaten in CP since 2013. :D
There's been one big change in Mayo's circumstances since 2014. There is a new management team in charge. From here on they are going to move into uncharted waters (for them). How will the new management cope with the squalls which they will surely face?
By doing the exact opposite to what Horan did, bringing Alan Freeman on.
Quote from: Highlander3 on August 20, 2015, 08:52:03 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 20, 2015, 01:29:57 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 20, 2015, 12:44:28 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 20, 2015, 12:28:53 AM
It's whoever is going the best on the team that is going the furthest.
James O Donoghue one year.
Michael Murphy another.
Diarmuid Connolly another.
You d have to go back to mid 90's to get a player that was 'carrying' a team. Peter Canavan. By the mid 00s he was the cherry on the top of a fine cake. Murphy had likes of Durcan, Gallagher, Lacey, McGlynn, McGee and McFadden at times, being top class as well.
Connolly and O'Donoghue as well have considerable cavalry in support. In fact you could make a case for more important players on both those sides.
In fairness if carrying a team is the requirement it's got to be Niall McNamee and Emlyn Mulligan.
Yeah. Add in likes of Peter McGinnity, O Hara, Declan Browne, Mickey Kearins, Dessie Barry, Kevin O Brien, Mattie Forde, in the past.
But Canavan was the alpha player for Tyrone in mid 90s. Got within dodgy reffing of an AI with a welter-weight midfield. The 80s team had great big All Time Great players like McGuigan and Eugene McKenna. Then you had likes of Plunkett Donaghy, O Hagen and McCabe as well in those 80s teams. Some of the 90s Tyrone did last until the AIs. Everybody remembers Colm O Rourke saying that Tyrone would nt win an AI with likes of Dooher in the team. I thought that was silly at the time myself.
Anyway, what I m saying is, that Peter Canavan has been the most important individual player that I ve seen in a team at the highest level.
Totally agree with this, that's why I think Canavan is the best player I have ever seen
It's totally subjective and it's gas how you've only named inside forwards
The best individual player I've seen in terms of being absolutely critical to his team is Anthony Tohill. I don't think I've ever seen a player have so much influence on a team then him. He could do everything on a GAA pitch. Ticked every single box. Hasn't been a midfielder like him since until David Moran. Derry would have won nothing without him
Tyrone would have still won 3 all irelands without Canavan ( well the 2 he was involved with)
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 07:17:04 PM
It's totally subjective and it's gas how you've only named inside forwards
The best individual player I've seen in terms of being absolutely critical to his team is Anthony Tohill. I don't think I've ever seen a player have so much influence on a team then him. He could do everything on a GAA pitch. Ticked every single box. Hasn't been a midfielder like him since until David Moran. Derry would have won nothing without him
Tyrone would have still won 3 all irelands without Canavan ( well the 2 he was involved with)
and Tohill was an astute analyst too in recent years. Too logical for some, no doubt.
So many ifs .
If Mayo beat Dublin and aido has a stormer , he will be up with the best , if we win the all Ireland and he has another mighty 70 mins , well you may start to plan for the statue .
I honeslty think he's in the zone man, he's unmarkable at full tilt , watching him this year I think there is something added , not the move to ff as such but an extra bite of determination about him . A chairðe, I believe he will drag us over the line .
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 07:17:04 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on August 20, 2015, 08:52:03 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 20, 2015, 01:29:57 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 20, 2015, 12:44:28 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 20, 2015, 12:28:53 AM
It's whoever is going the best on the team that is going the furthest.
James O Donoghue one year.
Michael Murphy another.
Diarmuid Connolly another.
You d have to go back to mid 90's to get a player that was 'carrying' a team. Peter Canavan. By the mid 00s he was the cherry on the top of a fine cake. Murphy had likes of Durcan, Gallagher, Lacey, McGlynn, McGee and McFadden at times, being top class as well.
Connolly and O'Donoghue as well have considerable cavalry in support. In fact you could make a case for more important players on both those sides.
In fairness if carrying a team is the requirement it's got to be Niall McNamee and Emlyn Mulligan.
Yeah. Add in likes of Peter McGinnity, O Hara, Declan Browne, Mickey Kearins, Dessie Barry, Kevin O Brien, Mattie Forde, in the past.
But Canavan was the alpha player for Tyrone in mid 90s. Got within dodgy reffing of an AI with a welter-weight midfield. The 80s team had great big All Time Great players like McGuigan and Eugene McKenna. Then you had likes of Plunkett Donaghy, O Hagen and McCabe as well in those 80s teams. Some of the 90s Tyrone did last until the AIs. Everybody remembers Colm O Rourke saying that Tyrone would nt win an AI with likes of Dooher in the team. I thought that was silly at the time myself.
Anyway, what I m saying is, that Peter Canavan has been the most important individual player that I ve seen in a team at the highest level.
Totally agree with this, that's why I think Canavan is the best player I have ever seen
It's totally subjective and it's gas how you've only named inside forwards
The best individual player I've seen in terms of being absolutely critical to his team is Anthony Tohill. I don't think I've ever seen a player have so much influence on a team then him. He could do everything on a GAA pitch. Ticked every single box. Hasn't been a midfielder like him since until David Moran. Derry would have won nothing without him
Tyrone would have still won 3 all irelands without Canavan ( well the 2 he was involved with)
Interesting way to look at it Indie, I also have always thought the same the best overall footballers are generally the guys up the middle and in particular midfielders
Tohill for me was a great footballer, he could do pretty much everything on a pitch and how some people put Dara O'Se (a great player too it must be said) ahead of him is beyond me. There is no way tho that he was carrying that Derry team, it had fantastic players all over the pitch with the exception of the FF line.
I always said Tyrone's best footballer is Frank McGuigan but he may not have been as effective as Canavan. Gearad Cavlan would be a more extreme example, in terms of talent and ability he would be in my Tyrone top 5. His effectiveness tho was questionable tho due to various aspects, bit of a renegade, not a leader, hot and cold, character etc.
However the point that I am trying to make is Canavan was by far the most effective footballer for Tyrone, a good part of that was his leadership and ability to make others raise their game.
So in terms of effectivness I would probably have Canavan up there, but in terms of ability as an overall footballer defo not, some skills he had were outstanding and unique for his position but he wouldnt have been that great if you stuck him at CB for example.
I dunno who would be top of my footballing ability chart, but Tohill would be up there.
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1997 Maurice Fitz carried that Kerry team.
Maurice had a bit more quality around him in 1997 AZ - the likes of Moynihan, Dara O'Shea, O'Cinneide etc. He was outstanding in the AIF for sure.
Billy O'Shea was having a "Man of the Match" performance for the twenty or so minutes he was on the field in '97 until Maurice intervened.
True.
Maurice done him.
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It's whoever is going the best on the team that is going the furthest.
James O Donoghue one year.
Michael Murphy another.
Diarmuid Connolly another.
You d have to go back to mid 90's to get a player that was 'carrying' a team. Peter Canavan. By the mid 00s he was the cherry on the top of a fine cake. Murphy had likes of Durcan, Gallagher, Lacey, McGlynn, McGee and McFadden at times, being top class as well.
Connolly and O'Donoghue as well have considerable cavalry in support. In fact you could make a case for more important players on both those sides.
In fairness if carrying a team is the requirement it's got to be Niall McNamee and Emlyn Mulligan.
Yeah. Add in likes of Peter McGinnity, O Hara, Declan Browne, Mickey Kearins, Dessie Barry, Kevin O Brien, Mattie Forde, in the past.
But Canavan was the alpha player for Tyrone in mid 90s. Got within dodgy reffing of an AI with a welter-weight midfield. The 80s team had great big All Time Great players like McGuigan and Eugene McKenna. Then you had likes of Plunkett Donaghy, O Hagen and McCabe as well in those 80s teams. Some of the 90s Tyrone did last until the AIs. Everybody remembers Colm O Rourke saying that Tyrone would nt win an AI with likes of Dooher in the team. I thought that was silly at the time myself.
Anyway, what I m saying is, that Peter Canavan has been the most important individual player that I ve seen in a team at the highest level.
Totally agree with this, that's why I think Canavan is the best player I have ever seen
It's totally subjective and it's gas how you've only named inside forwards
The best individual player I've seen in terms of being absolutely critical to his team is Anthony Tohill. I don't think I've ever seen a player have so much influence on a team then him. He could do everything on a GAA pitch. Ticked every single box. Hasn't been a midfielder like him since until David Moran. Derry would have won nothing without him
Tyrone would have still won 3 all irelands without Canavan ( well the 2 he was involved with)
Interesting way to look at it Indie, I also have always thought the same the best overall footballers are generally the guys up the middle and in particular midfielders
Tohill for me was a great footballer, he could do pretty much everything on a pitch and how some people put Dara O'Se (a great player too it must be said) ahead of him is beyond me. There is no way tho that he was carrying that Derry team, it had fantastic players all over the pitch with the exception of the FF line.
I always said Tyrone's best footballer is Frank McGuigan but he may not have been as effective as Canavan. Gearad Cavlan would be a more extreme example, in terms of talent and ability he would be in my Tyrone top 5. His effectiveness tho was questionable tho due to various aspects, bit of a renegade, not a leader, hot and cold, character etc.
However the point that I am trying to make is Canavan was by far the most effective footballer for Tyrone, a good part of that was his leadership and ability to make others raise their game.
So in terms of effectivness I would probably have Canavan up there, but in terms of ability as an overall footballer defo not, some skills he had were outstanding and unique for his position but he wouldnt have been that great if you stuck him at CB for example.
I dunno who would be top of my footballing ability chart, but Tohill would be up there.
Yeah, Tohill was some player. Dermot Earley was a player you would clone imo. One of my favourite players of all time. Eamonn O Hara an unbelievable talent as well. But harder to like. I d put him on a best of team I saw play. Matt Connor has to be up there as well. Larry Thomkins was a complete player too.
When I was a kid I remember Purcell and Carney being talked about as being complete. Mick O Connell and Jacko more recently. The Kerry greats were always surrounded by other greats but great anyway.
McKenna and McGuigan were complete as well. I think McKenna got All-Stars in 3 different lines. McGuigan would have played mid-field as well when he was in better shape.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 21, 2015, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 20, 2015, 08:15:03 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 05:13:57 PMthe only team that can beat us is ourselves.
It's for insights like this that I read this board.
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Took me a few hours to come up with that line.
(http://#039;t%20have%20the%20better%20players.)
You re wrong there boss. The worrying thing from our point of view is that a ref will believe that as well and go with that script. That and the home venue is massive. It means that we - or any other team - have to be considerably better to win v Dublin in CP.
In a composite team I would actually have more Mayo players than Dublin player (8/7) without being biased at all. There was a doubt about our management before Donegal but they got that game spot on. So we ll see.
I still think that location/ referring will decide this one. Dublin get a huge boost and fearlessness in CP where they can punch above themselves and when it goes for them you re fucked.
If this was in McHale Park I would be expecting to win it all day long.
Quote from: moysider on August 22, 2015, 01:00:08 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 21, 2015, 08:36:12 AM
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Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 05:13:57 PMthe only team that can beat us is ourselves.
It's for insights like this that I read this board.
too
Took me a few hours to come up with that line.
(http://#039;t%20have%20the%20better%20players.)
You re wrong there boss. The worrying thing from our point of view is that a ref will believe that as well and go with that script. That and the home venue is massive. It means that we - or any other team - have to be considerably better to win v Dublin in CP.
In a composite team I would actually have more Mayo players than Dublin player (8/7) without being biased at all. There was a doubt about our management before Donegal but they got that game spot on. So we ll see.
I still think that location/ referring will decide this one. Dublin get a huge boost and fearlessness in CP where they can punch above themselves and when it goes for them you re fucked.
If this was in McHale Park I would be expecting to win it all day long.
If Mayo don't win in Croker it will be for one reason only - they are not good enough.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 22, 2015, 02:49:15 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 22, 2015, 01:00:08 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 21, 2015, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 20, 2015, 08:15:03 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 05:13:57 PMthe only team that can beat us is ourselves.
It's for insights like this that I read this board.
too
Took me a few hours to come up with that line.
(http://#039;t%20have%20the%20better%20players.)
You re wrong there boss. The worrying thing from our point of view is that a ref will believe that as well and go with that script. That and the home venue is massive. It means that we - or any other team - have to be considerably better to win v Dublin in CP.
In a composite team I would actually have more Mayo players than Dublin player (8/7) without being biased at all. There was a doubt about our management before Donegal but they got that game spot on. So we ll see.
I still think that location/ referring will decide this one. Dublin get a huge boost and fearlessness in CP where they can punch above themselves and when it goes for them you re fucked.
If this was in McHale Park I would be expecting to win it all day long.
If Mayo don't win in Croker it will be for one reason only - they are not good enough.
That's fair enough but is there anyone in the right mind would deny Dublin have a distinct advantage playing in croke park . Actually don't bother answering as it's just a load of bollix .
When Jack macaffery brought the Sam Maguire to the young lads national school in malahide , my son asked him one question that he couldn't answer , " when is the second leg in castlebar"? A very young buckeen can figure out is the most f**king ridiculous scenario in our game but your ilk will just gloss over it with a load of nonsense , it's unfair , sin e,
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/pics-aidan-oshea-has-gone-for-a-brand-new-look-ahead-of-next-weeks-all-ireland-semi-final/36828
oh god
Well you can forget about winning an All-Ireland now.
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http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/pics-aidan-oshea-has-gone-for-a-brand-new-look-ahead-of-next-weeks-all-ireland-semi-final/36828
oh god
Why would you do that a week before the biggest game of the year (shakes head)
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 22, 2015, 09:16:16 PM
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/pics-aidan-oshea-has-gone-for-a-brand-new-look-ahead-of-next-weeks-all-ireland-semi-final/36828
oh god
Why would you do that a week before the biggest game of the year (shakes head)
All this talk has gone to his head ! :o
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 22, 2015, 02:49:15 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 22, 2015, 01:00:08 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 21, 2015, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 20, 2015, 08:15:03 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 05:13:57 PMthe only team that can beat us is ourselves.
It's for insights like this that I read this board.
too
Took me a few hours to come up with that line.
(http://#039;t%20have%20the%20better%20players.)
You re wrong there boss. The worrying thing from our point of view is that a ref will believe that as well and go with that script. That and the home venue is massive. It means that we - or any other team - have to be considerably better to win v Dublin in CP.
In a composite team I would actually have more Mayo players than Dublin player (8/7) without being biased at all. There was a doubt about our management before Donegal but they got that game spot on. So we ll see.
I still think that location/ referring will decide this one. Dublin get a huge boost and fearlessness in CP where they can punch above themselves and when it goes for them you re fucked.
If this was in McHale Park I would be expecting to win it all day long.
If Mayo don't win in Croker it will be for one reason only - they are not good enough.
Facetious. To win in CP Mayo have to be much better than the home team. That's the way it is unfortunately for us.
Maybe you are right. We re probably not good enough to be that much better on the day.
But I can understand why Dublin supporters can afford to be glib. Circumstances are stacked in Dublin's favour.
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Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 22, 2015, 02:49:15 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 22, 2015, 01:00:08 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 21, 2015, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 20, 2015, 08:15:03 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 05:13:57 PMthe only team that can beat us is ourselves.
It's for insights like this that I read this board.
too
Took me a few hours to come up with that line.
(http://#039;t%20have%20the%20better%20players.)
You re wrong there boss. The worrying thing from our point of view is that a ref will believe that as well and go with that script. That and the home venue is massive. It means that we - or any other team - have to be considerably better to win v Dublin in CP.
In a composite team I would actually have more Mayo players than Dublin player (8/7) without being biased at all. There was a doubt about our management before Donegal but they got that game spot on. So we ll see.
I still think that location/ referring will decide this one. Dublin get a huge boost and fearlessness in CP where they can punch above themselves and when it goes for them you re fucked.
If this was in McHale Park I would be expecting to win it all day long.
If Mayo don't win in Croker it will be for one reason only - they are not good enough.
Facetious. To win in CP Mayo have to be much better than the home team. That's the way it is unfortunately for us.
Maybe you are right. We re probably not good enough to be that much better on the day.
But I can understand why Dublin supporters can afford to be glib. Circumstances are stacked in Dublin's favour.
Don't make excuses . Jesus Christ I'd love to see Mayo win the big one . I've so many connections there it's not funny . But you sell yourself short every time you mention the pitch and the crowd . Stop looking for exuses
Accept the challenge and embrace it
Would you say 70% of your connections are from there Indiana? :)
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 23, 2015, 12:48:38 AM
Would you say 70% of your connections are from there Indiana? :)
i called that one wrong . I own up . ;D. I wish Mc Curry was a Dub .
Even napolean got things wrongs .
Seriously though best of luck tomorrow
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Quote from: macdanger2 on August 23, 2015, 12:48:38 AM
Would you say 70% of your connections are from there Indiana? :)
i called that one wrong . I own up . ;D. I wish Mc Curry was a Dub .
Even napolean got things wrongs .
Seriously though best of luck tomorrow
Yes Mac. Good luck tomorrow.
Said like a true Roscommon man Indy.
Quote from: moysider on August 23, 2015, 12:37:30 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 22, 2015, 02:49:15 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 22, 2015, 01:00:08 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 21, 2015, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 20, 2015, 08:15:03 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 05:13:57 PMthe only team that can beat us is ourselves.
It's for insights like this that I read this board.
too
Took me a few hours to come up with that line.
(http://#039;t%20have%20the%20better%20players.)
You re wrong there boss. The worrying thing from our point of view is that a ref will believe that as well and go with that script. That and the home venue is massive. It means that we - or any other team - have to be considerably better to win v Dublin in CP.
In a composite team I would actually have more Mayo players than Dublin player (8/7) without being biased at all. There was a doubt about our management before Donegal but they got that game spot on. So we ll see.
I still think that location/ referring will decide this one. Dublin get a huge boost and fearlessness in CP where they can punch above themselves and when it goes for them you re fucked.
If this was in McHale Park I would be expecting to win it all day long.
If Mayo don't win in Croker it will be for one reason only - they are not good enough.
Facetious. To win in CP Mayo have to be much better than the home team. That's the way it is unfortunately for us.
Maybe you are right. We re probably not good enough to be that much better on the day.
But I can understand why Dublin supporters can afford to be glib. Circumstances are stacked in Dublin's favour.
Is this to become our latest excuse now Croke Park, Jesus wept. Have you ever thought that it can also work against the Dubs when things go against them on the pitch. Lets just play the game and stop the moaning.
Quote from: Mac2 on August 23, 2015, 12:24:43 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 23, 2015, 12:37:30 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 22, 2015, 02:49:15 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 22, 2015, 01:00:08 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 21, 2015, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 20, 2015, 08:15:03 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 05:13:57 PMthe only team that can beat us is ourselves.
It's for insights like this that I read this board.
too
Took me a few hours to come up with that line.
(http://#039;t%20have%20the%20better%20players.)
You re wrong there boss. The worrying thing from our point of view is that a ref will believe that as well and go with that script. That and the home venue is massive. It means that we - or any other team - have to be considerably better to win v Dublin in CP.
In a composite team I would actually have more Mayo players than Dublin player (8/7) without being biased at all. There was a doubt about our management before Donegal but they got that game spot on. So we ll see.
I still think that location/ referring will decide this one. Dublin get a huge boost and fearlessness in CP where they can punch above themselves and when it goes for them you re fucked.
If this was in McHale Park I would be expecting to win it all day long.
If Mayo don't win in Croker it will be for one reason only - they are not good enough.
Facetious. To win in CP Mayo have to be much better than the home team. That's the way it is unfortunately for us.
Maybe you are right. We re probably not good enough to be that much better on the day.
But I can understand why Dublin supporters can afford to be glib. Circumstances are stacked in Dublin's favour.
Is this to become our latest excuse now Croke Park, Jesus wept. Have you ever thought that it can also work against the Dubs when things go against them on the pitch. Lets just play the game and stop the moaning.
Yeah, but when they are going well it is a massive boost.
Anyway I like to do my moaning in advance ;D
Quote from: larryin89 on August 22, 2015, 03:54:18 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 22, 2015, 02:49:15 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 22, 2015, 01:00:08 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 21, 2015, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 20, 2015, 08:15:03 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 20, 2015, 05:13:57 PMthe only team that can beat us is ourselves.
It's for insights like this that I read this board.
too
Took me a few hours to come up with that line.
(http://#039;t%20have%20the%20better%20players.)
You re wrong there boss. The worrying thing from our point of view is that a ref will believe that as well and go with that script. That and the home venue is massive. It means that we - or any other team - have to be considerably better to win v Dublin in CP.
In a composite team I would actually have more Mayo players than Dublin player (8/7) without being biased at all. There was a doubt about our management before Donegal but they got that game spot on. So we ll see.
I still think that location/ referring will decide this one. Dublin get a huge boost and fearlessness in CP where they can punch above themselves and when it goes for them you re fucked.
If this was in McHale Park I would be expecting to win it all day long.
If Mayo don't win in Croker it will be for one reason only - they are not good enough.
That's fair enough but is there anyone in the right mind would deny Dublin have a distinct advantage playing in croke park . Actually don't bother answering as it's just a load of bollix .
When Jack macaffery brought the Sam Maguire to the young lads national school in malahide , my son asked him one question that he couldn't answer , " when is the second leg in castlebar"? A very young buckeen can figure out is the most f**king ridiculous scenario in our game but your ilk will just gloss over it with a load of nonsense , it's unfair , sin e,
I'll bet you won't think like that when your young lad is playing for the Dubs ;)
I think Aidan O'Shea has laid down a player of the year marker. Will between himself and David Clifford.
Quote from: macker15 on June 26, 2021, 06:26:49 PM
I think Aidan O'Shea has laid down a player of the year marker. Will between himself and David Clifford.
That's some serious trolling to find a post from 2015 to taunt the Mayo posters on here.
I don't know whether to be impressed or look at you as a sad b**tard for doing it
Quote from: macker15 on June 26, 2021, 06:26:49 PM
I think Aidan O'Shea has laid down a player of the year marker. Will between himself and David Clifford.
I have a dog that sniffs and pisses on everything he sees-reminds me of this poster with every thread.