Kerry's to lose. Looks like the aristocrats will cruise to another All-Ireland title.
Whay? Because they hammered a Division 3 team?
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 02, 2015, 05:13:27 PM
Whay? Because they hammered a Division 3 team?
D2 in fairness.
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 02, 2015, 05:13:27 PM
Whay? Because they hammered a Division 3 team?
No because they are head and shoulders better than anyone else.
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 02, 2015, 05:32:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2015, 05:19:18 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 02, 2015, 05:13:27 PM
Whay? Because they hammered a Division 3 team?
D2 in fairness.
Relegated.
So then Kerry v possibly D2 Tyrone is probably cannon fodder by that measure.
Teams who got promoted or relegated are D2 or D3 depending on the point a poster wants to make.
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2015, 05:34:44 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 02, 2015, 05:32:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2015, 05:19:18 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 02, 2015, 05:13:27 PM
Whay? Because they hammered a Division 3 team?
D2 in fairness.
Relegated.
So then Kerry v possibly D2 Tyrone is probably cannon fodder by that measure.
Teams who got promoted or relegated are D2 or D3 depending on the point a poster wants to make.
I'm not contemplating Kerry playing a D2 team in the semi, regardless of how you measure it. 8)
Kerry will beat either of Monaghan or Tyrone but I don't think you will see them roll over the way that Kildare done today.
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 02, 2015, 05:32:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2015, 05:19:18 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 02, 2015, 05:13:27 PM
Whay? Because they hammered a Division 3 team?
D2 in fairness.
Relegated.
Very poor today however Kildare aren't a division three team they will likely spend one year down there much like Monaghan two years ago.
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2015, 05:34:44 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 02, 2015, 05:32:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2015, 05:19:18 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 02, 2015, 05:13:27 PM
Whay? Because they hammered a Division 3 team?
D2 in fairness.
Relegated.
So then Kerry v possibly D2 Tyrone is probably cannon fodder by that measure.
Teams who got promoted or relegated are D2 or D3 depending on the point a poster wants to make.
It's not just posters - you often see this in some of the GAA media folk comments.
My opinion is that if a team played in Division 2 this year, in that year's championship they are still a Division 2 team as they played 7 Division 2 games as their warmup/preparation for the championship, even if they get relegated or promoted.
Confirmation that O'Donoghue dislocated his shoulder. Same shoulder that he had stabilisation surgery on after the AI last year. Very rare for it go after stabilisation surgery.
Massive impact on him for the rest of the year both physically and mentally.
What is the timeframe for recovery?
Quote from: ballinaman on August 03, 2015, 08:10:56 AM
Confirmation that O'Donoghue dislocated his shoulder. Same shoulder that he had stabilisation surgery on after the AI last year. Very rare for it go after stabilisation surgery.
Massive impact on him for the rest of the year both physically and mentally.
Paul Kernan had the same problem and it ended his football career. Pooped it twice I think after surgery. If he's wise that will be the end of his year till he gets that shoulder back to proper working order.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 03, 2015, 09:04:53 AM
What is the timeframe for recovery?
It'll require stabilisation again with a 3-4 month rehab. He'll be taped/braced for rest of season but won't be right.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 03, 2015, 08:10:56 AM
Confirmation that O'Donoghue dislocated his shoulder. Same shoulder that he had stabilisation surgery on after the AI last year. Very rare for it go after stabilisation surgery.
Massive impact on him for the rest of the year both physically and mentally.
Is that the same as the most recent surgery Cillian O'Connor had on his?
Tough break for JOD, hope he recovers
If there's one team who can handle the loss, it's kerry
I don't think Kerry are home and hosed just yet, not by a long shot. Sure, they were very impressive the last day but don't forget that Cork should have beaten them in the Munster final.
They have still to face top-class opposition and neither Dublin nor Mayo are going to back down if they meet them and the loss of James O'Donoghue is a big blow.
I won't be putting me teddy bear back in the attic for another year just yet!
Dubs win the All Ireland,only a Fitzmaurice masterplan on the day has any hope of stopping it,can't believe the Dubs are as big odds now as they were 6 months ago :o All the better says I :D
Quote from: Tubberman on August 03, 2015, 09:40:03 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 03, 2015, 08:10:56 AM
Confirmation that O'Donoghue dislocated his shoulder. Same shoulder that he had stabilisation surgery on after the AI last year. Very rare for it go after stabilisation surgery.
Massive impact on him for the rest of the year both physically and mentally.
Is that the same as the most recent surgery Cillian O'Connor had on his?
Yeah, might not be the exact same but similar I reckon.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 03, 2015, 08:10:56 AM
Confirmation that O'Donoghue dislocated his shoulder.
Great news. Hopefully he won't play again this year.
Good news - JOD's injury not that serious.
Still think Dublin way ahead of Kerry. Kerry have only impressed in 1 game this year, and that mainly in 2nd half, Dublin have done it in every game this year.
Once off thrashings don't indicate future success e.g. Mayo v Donegal 2013, Kerry v Cork 02 and 05, Meath v Kerry 01, Cork v Donegal 09,
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/2/0308150727-kerry-wait-on-news-of-odonoghue-injury/
Examiner had it wrong this morning so ::) or would you believe the latest .
MRI not completed yet from reading that gaa.ie link.may have done a bit of damage but not full dislocation. It's very rare to dislocate again after the stabilisation surgeries they are doing these days.
Looks like Kerry are back to the 2006/07 level now, best panel and best bench in the country and with being on the easier side of the draw no doubt they will be in the final. One would say, another handy all Ireland for them.
Scary the abundance of talent Kerry have at their disposal this year.
Disappointed for the lad..Went down very hard on a newly laid pitch . You would hope that the pitch isn't more dangerous than it was before sheeran
Some OTT, and then some some on this thread.
Yes Kerry were super clinical yesterday, and it's that very attitude which tends to make the difference for them.
But if that match yesterday was to be compared to a street brawl, it was like a prime middleweight boxer picking on a fat kid who doesn't do fighting, then goading him to throw a few punches, then battering the living shit out of him, then standing on his head for good measure, then emptying a rubbish can around his flaccid form.
We learned nothing about Kerry, apart from that they're still a prime middleweight. Anything that happened in the last 25 minutes should be eroded from memory as Kildare spent that time lying in a pool of their own faeces.
Barry John Keane scored his normal season's tally in one half of football ffs.
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It can be hard to work out formations from TV angles, but yesterday it seemed that Kildare's tactics were:
1 up front.
1 on the opponent's 45.
7 in a straight line between halfway and the Kildare 65.
2 marking space, and never a man, nowhere near their full back line.
3 full backs.
Whatever it was, I've never seen a team with less understanding of how to contain opposition attacks. It was horrible.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 03, 2015, 01:25:27 PM
Some OTT, and then some some on this thread.
Yes Kerry were super clinical yesterday, and it's that very attitude which tends to make the difference for them.
But if that match yesterday was to be compared to a street brawl, it was like a prime middleweight boxer picking on a fat kid who doesn't do fighting, then goading him to throw a few punches, then battering the living shit out of him, then standing on his head for good measure, then emptying a rubbish can around his flaccid form.
We learned nothing about Kerry, apart from that they're still a prime middleweight. Anything that happened in the last 25 minutes should be eroded from memory as Kildare spent that time lying in a pool of their own faeces.
Barry John Keane scored his normal season's tally in one half of football ffs.
- - -
It can be hard to work out formations from TV angles, but yesterday it seemed that Kildare's tactics were:
1 up front.
1 on the opponent's 45.
7 in a straight line between halfway and the Kildare 65.
2 marking space, and never a man, nowhere near their full back line.
3 full backs.
Whatever it was, I've never seen a team with less understanding of how to contain opposition attacks. It was horrible.
you can have whatever formation you think will do a job, but if you don't have the players willing to put the shoulder to the wheel, its redundant. How do you think the famed Donegal formation would work if the players had the same heart as those Kildare players yesterday?
I agree with you JoG2.
Formations only matter if players understand their roles and are willing to execute the plan.
I'd lay 90% of the blame for this on player effort. But there are basically two main "modern" defensive systems. The better teams mix and match them, and my point about Kildare is that yesterday they seemed unaware of either.
One is to try to isolate an opponent, then press in numbers and hit them as hard you can, drawing a turnover, a foul or a momentum-killing retreat. Yesterday Kildare put almost no pressure on Kerry taking the ball out of defence.
The other is to protect the D, so that if anyone lays hands on a ball within 35m of goal, they are set upon, and the defence moves with the ball. Your opponents are generally forced to recycle the ball out of the D for a shooting opportunity, or get coughed up. Yesterday, Kildare's sweepers provided absolutely no protection against a direct ball in, and worse again, were never available to double-up on Kerry forwards after the ball was won. Instead they seemed to be marking an imaginary line just past their own 45.
With Kerry v Derry in the minors, if its Kerry v Tyrone in the seniors, could that mean we'll see the Derry supporters cheering for Tyrone and Tyrone supporters cheering for Derry?
Kerry will not dominate the middle third to that extent against any of the teams left.
They had the time & space to kick it in any which way they wanted.
I actually felt sorry for the Kildare defenders in the 1st half.
Individually they were doing quite well but there was so much quality ball coming in they were on a hiding to nothing.
Jaysus Jinxy, every time I looked at that game I saw individual Kildare backs being destroyed in 1 on 1 situations. I think it was the 3rd goal where the forward was out in front, turned, ran at and just blew by the Kildare defender before hammering it into the net.
I really like Gooch out on the 40 though. He rarely wastes a pass. If they are playing tight defenses, the Kerry forwards will need to identify the spaces that are available, contrary to belief they do exist, and someone like Gooch will need to deliver accurate ball.
'in the first half'
Even in the first half. Stephen O'Brien was kicking points like he was below in Kenmare against Templenoe.
That's because Kildare thought "he's normally just a sub" and decided that Emmet Bolton could go forward and not worry too much about him.
The FB line were good.
Ollie Lyons did well on O'Donoghue.
Like I said, there was loads of good ball coming in.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 04, 2015, 04:03:31 PM
That's because Kildare thought "he's normally just a sub" and decided that Emmet Bolton could go forward and not worry too much about him.
The FB line were good.
Ollie Lyons did well on O'Donoghue.
Like I said, there was loads of good ball coming in.
The Kildare backs were playing really well in the first half. Winning in excess of 70% of the ball coming into them. Generally far quicker to react to ball coming in than the Kerry forwards.
But the problems Kildare had was they weren't supporting each other when in attack, the corner forward who was supposed to come back and mark O'Brien forgot his job, and the keeper's kick outs continually handed possession to Kerry. So overall there was just too much ball going in and the points totted up.
The second half was a whole different story though....
the second half was the story of Kerry displaying superb in game analysis. As soon as they saw the sweeper removed from the D they looked to exploit the space, case in point being O'Sullivans goal where he held his run until the ball was kicked in to Gooch.
So Kerry vs Tyrone it is.
I'd say this year's encounter will make the 2003 match seem like a Van Gogh.
Would be happy with 1-0 0-2 victory.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 08, 2015, 05:44:24 PM
So Kerry vs Tyrone it is.
I'd say this year's encounter will make the 2003 match seem like a Van Gogh.
Would be happy with 1-0 0-2 victory.
I hope Kerry kick seven shades of shite outta them! Oh and a massive win for Kery would be nice too.
What age are you stew? Must be good playing under 12 football.......
Thread to be renamed Cynical Bowl 2015 :D
Quote from: The Trap on August 08, 2015, 05:51:13 PM
What age are you stew? Must be good playing under 12 football.......
They are a gaggle that are strangling the game of football, they blacken the name of the GAA with the thuggery and knavery they get up to, in short, f**k them!
With ISIS to prepare for semi final with Tyrone
They are a gaggle that are strangling the game of football, they blacken the name of the GAA with the thuggery and knavery they get up to, in short, f**k them!
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Leave Armagh out of this.
Grow up son; you lost, but you'll get over it!
Tir Eoghain abu ;)
Quote from: TheGateKeeper on August 08, 2015, 07:01:30 PM
Grow up son; you lost, but you'll get over it!
Tir Eoghain abu ;)
The Gate Keeper? You're leaving plenty past you. Son.
Quote from: stew on August 08, 2015, 06:44:23 PM
Quote from: The Trap on August 08, 2015, 05:51:13 PM
What age are you stew? Must be good playing under 12 football.......
They are a gaggle that are strangling the game of football, they blacken the name of the GAA with the thuggery and knavery they get up to, in short, f**k them!
Somebody's having a bad day. Grow up.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 04, 2015, 02:07:04 PM
With Kerry v Derry in the minors, if its Kerry v Tyrone in the seniors, could that mean we'll see the Derry supporters cheering for Tyrone and Tyrone supporters cheering for Derry?
This happened in '95. Derry minors and Tyrone seniors played their respective Galway counterparts. A sizeable section of the Tyrone 'support' were certainly supporting the Tribesmen in the minor game. Hopefully the Tyrone support have matured since then. In fairness at that stage Tyrone had yet to win the All-Ireland, so their bitterness towards Derry was probably understandable.
If Tyrone concentrate on football they have a good chance . Kerry aren't as good as people have them at present . But they won't concentrate on football they'll bring it down to the base levels and they'll lose . Kerry will get the frees necessary to win the game by 5/6 points
Pity.
Quote from: Estimator on August 09, 2015, 08:41:19 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 04, 2015, 02:07:04 PM
With Kerry v Derry in the minors, if its Kerry v Tyrone in the seniors, could that mean we'll see the Derry supporters cheering for Tyrone and Tyrone supporters cheering for Derry?
This happened in '95. Derry minors and Tyrone seniors played their respective Galway counterparts. A sizeable section of the Tyrone 'support' were certainly supporting the Tribesmen in the minor game. Hopefully the Tyrone support have matured since then. In fairness at that stage Tyrone had yet to win the All-Ireland, so their bitterness towards Derry was probably understandable.
I'd say you could take it as a given that this will be the case and I don't see any problem with it. It's called football tribalism.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 08:59:33 AM
If Tyrone concentrate on football they have a good chance . Kerry aren't as good as people have them at present . But they won't concentrate on football they'll bring it down to the base levels and they'll lose . Kerry will get the frees necessary to win the game by 5/6 points
Pity.
Tyrone have their faults but conceding a lot of scorable frees is not one of them. If Tyrone are to beat Kerry they will have to address a different fault. They will have to find the net.
Quote from: GJL on August 09, 2015, 09:09:36 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 08:59:33 AM
If Tyrone concentrate on football they have a good chance . Kerry aren't as good as people have them at present . But they won't concentrate on football they'll bring it down to the base levels and they'll lose . Kerry will get the frees necessary to win the game by 5/6 points
Pity.
Tyrone have their faults but conceding a lot of scorable frees is not one of them. If Tyrone are to beat Kerry they will have to address a different fault. They will have to find the net.
They haven't faced an attack like Kerry's all season which will move them around . When they do and they start getting frustrated they'll resort to type and concede frees. They also haven't faced a midfield like Kerry which is the best midfield in the game
Quote from: stew on August 08, 2015, 06:44:23 PM
Quote from: The Trap on August 08, 2015, 05:51:13 PM
What age are you stew? Must be good playing under 12 football.......
They are a gaggle that are strangling the game of football, they blacken the name of the GAA with the thuggery and knavery they get up to, in short, f**k them!
Remind me which county couldn't even let a challenge match with Dublin get thrown in before starting with the thuggery?
In mickey we trust
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 09:12:47 AM
Quote from: GJL on August 09, 2015, 09:09:36 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 08:59:33 AM
If Tyrone concentrate on football they have a good chance . Kerry aren't as good as people have them at present . But they won't concentrate on football they'll bring it down to the base levels and they'll lose . Kerry will get the frees necessary to win the game by 5/6 points
Pity.
Tyrone have their faults but conceding a lot of scorable frees is not one of them. If Tyrone are to beat Kerry they will have to address a different fault. They will have to find the net.
They haven't faced an attack like Kerry's all season which will move them around . When they do and they start getting frustrated they'll resort to type and concede frees. They also haven't faced a midfield like Kerry which is the best midfield in the game
I guess time will tell. I know one thing though. Kerry would rather Monaghan won yesterday.
Quote from: GJL on August 09, 2015, 09:27:28 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 09:12:47 AM
Quote from: GJL on August 09, 2015, 09:09:36 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 08:59:33 AM
If Tyrone concentrate on football they have a good chance . Kerry aren't as good as people have them at present . But they won't concentrate on football they'll bring it down to the base levels and they'll lose . Kerry will get the frees necessary to win the game by 5/6 points
Pity.
Tyrone have their faults but conceding a lot of scorable frees is not one of them. If Tyrone are to beat Kerry they will have to address a different fault. They will have to find the net.
They haven't faced an attack like Kerry's all season which will move them around . When they do and they start getting frustrated they'll resort to type and concede frees. They also haven't faced a midfield like Kerry which is the best midfield in the game
I guess time will tell. I know one thing though. Kerry would rather Monaghan won yesterday.
Absolutely agree with that
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 09:12:47 AM
Quote from: GJL on August 09, 2015, 09:09:36 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 08:59:33 AM
If Tyrone concentrate on football they have a good chance . Kerry aren't as good as people have them at present . But they won't concentrate on football they'll bring it down to the base levels and they'll lose . Kerry will get the frees necessary to win the game by 5/6 points
Pity.
Tyrone have their faults but conceding a lot of scorable frees is not one of them. If Tyrone are to beat Kerry they will have to address a different fault. They will have to find the net.
They haven't faced an attack like Kerry's all season which will move them around . When they do and they start getting frustrated they'll resort to type and concede frees. They also haven't faced a midfield like Kerry which is the best midfield in the game
Make no mistake, this is a good Kerry team but Tyrone will hold no fear of them. Their half forward is poor enough with Donnacha Walsh and O'Brien being players who are distinctly average and won't operate under the pressure applied by Tyrone. Sheehan shit the bed in 2008, he is a great ball player when given space but needs the space to operate, again, the space won't be there. Mickey came up with a plan for Gooch and Donaghy 7 years ago, they haven't got any better since then. That leaves James O'Donoghue, he worries me - let's hope he doesn't recover from injury in time!
As for the defence - an aging full back line needs to be tested. Cavanagh at 14 caused havoc yesterday, I expect more of the same. The big concern however is midfield. Kerry are very strong in that sector, I'm not sure how to counteract that. It may be the winning of the game for them.
Think you'll see very little ball going down the middle from Morgan. There'll be a lot of short kicks and splitting/pulling their midfield out to the flanks.
Morgan's kicking yesterday was top drawer, we'll need a similar performance in a fortnight.
Quote from: Estimator on August 09, 2015, 08:41:19 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 04, 2015, 02:07:04 PM
With Kerry v Derry in the minors, if its Kerry v Tyrone in the seniors, could that mean we'll see the Derry supporters cheering for Tyrone and Tyrone supporters cheering for Derry?
This happened in '95. Derry minors and Tyrone seniors played their respective Galway counterparts. A sizeable section of the Tyrone 'support' were certainly supporting the Tribesmen in the minor game. Hopefully the Tyrone support have matured since then. In fairness at that stage Tyrone had yet to win the All-Ireland, so their bitterness towards Derry was probably understandable.
Absolute rubbish Tyrone got behind the Derry minors that year. The Derry manager thanked the support that they got.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 09, 2015, 10:21:45 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 09:12:47 AM
Quote from: GJL on August 09, 2015, 09:09:36 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 08:59:33 AM
If Tyrone concentrate on football they have a good chance . Kerry aren't as good as people have them at present . But they won't concentrate on football they'll bring it down to the base levels and they'll lose . Kerry will get the frees necessary to win the game by 5/6 points
Pity.
Tyrone have their faults but conceding a lot of scorable frees is not one of them. If Tyrone are to beat Kerry they will have to address a different fault. They will have to find the net.
They haven't faced an attack like Kerry's all season which will move them around . When they do and they start getting frustrated they'll resort to type and concede frees. They also haven't faced a midfield like Kerry which is the best midfield in the game
Make no mistake, this is a good Kerry team but Tyrone will hold no fear of them. Their half forward is poor enough with Donnacha Walsh and O'Brien being players who are distinctly average and won't operate under the pressure applied by Tyrone. Sheehan shit the bed in 2008, he is a great ball player when given space but needs the space to operate, again, the space won't be there. Mickey came up with a plan for Gooch and Donaghy 7 years ago, they haven't got any better since then. That leaves James O'Donoghue, he worries me - let's hope he doesn't recover from injury in time!
As for the defence - an aging full back line needs to be tested. Cavanagh at 14 caused havoc yesterday, I expect more of the same. The big concern however is midfield. Kerry are very strong in that sector, I'm not sure how to counteract that. It may be the winning of the game for them.
Midfield Benny will win Kerry the AI. I agree with your analysis and I actually have a lot of time and respect for Tyrone football. But they let themselves down so often they've become a hate figure.
I think people need to relax on Mc Cann. He's young and he did an incredibly stupid thing yesterday but he didn't shoot anybody. Did a lot of silly things when was I young too -thankfully social media didn't exist.
Unfortunately when you see Sean Cavanagh at 32 diving it's hard not to feel it'd all part of Tyrone's game-plan and because of that young Mc Cann will be lacerated on social media. But Sean should know better. Difficulty is when Sean is Tyrone manager in the future he'll train them to dive too.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 09, 2015, 10:35:50 AM
Think you'll see very little ball going down the middle from Morgan. There'll be a lot of short kicks and splitting/pulling their midfield out to the flanks.
Morgan's kicking yesterday was top drawer, we'll need a similar performance in a fortnight.
Agree with that. Kerry would absolutely clean Tyrone out in midfield but Tyrone are well versed in playing around that problem. I've a feeling both Donaghy and Gooch will start in the full forward line with possibly Walsh coming in in the second half in the half forward line for added physicality and to exploit the advantage that Kerry have. This might leave them a bit short of speed in the midfield area with Sheehan in there as well and O'Mahoney in the half back line. That's definitely an area Tyrone can exploit. The speed of Donnelly, Harte and McCann was phenomenal yesterday and instrumental in their win. McCann made so many lung bursting runs of 40 and 50 metres and the Monahghan half back line were exposed time and again.
Quote from: CD on August 09, 2015, 12:43:22 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 09, 2015, 10:35:50 AM
Think you'll see very little ball going down the middle from Morgan. There'll be a lot of short kicks and splitting/pulling their midfield out to the flanks.
Morgan's kicking yesterday was top drawer, we'll need a similar performance in a fortnight.
Agree with that. Kerry would absolutely clean Tyrone out in midfield but Tyrone are well versed in playing around that problem. I've a feeling both Donaghy and Gooch will start in the full forward line with possibly Walsh coming in in the second half in the half forward line for added physicality and to exploit the advantage that Kerry have. This might leave them a bit short of speed in the midfield area with Sheehan in there as well and O'Mahoney in the half back line. That's definitely an area Tyrone can exploit. The speed of Donnelly, Harte and McCann was phenomenal yesterday and instrumental in their win. McCann made so many lung bursting runs of 40 and 50 metres and the Monahghan half back line were exposed time and again.
Mc Cann will be mentally drained the next time he takes the field after the fall-out from yesterday
Jaysis Sidney you're a sad man.
Quote from: reddgnhand on August 09, 2015, 12:23:34 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 09, 2015, 08:41:19 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 04, 2015, 02:07:04 PM
With Kerry v Derry in the minors, if its Kerry v Tyrone in the seniors, could that mean we'll see the Derry supporters cheering for Tyrone and Tyrone supporters cheering for Derry?
This happened in '95. Derry minors and Tyrone seniors played their respective Galway counterparts. A sizeable section of the Tyrone 'support' were certainly supporting the Tribesmen in the minor game. Hopefully the Tyrone support have matured since then. In fairness at that stage Tyrone had yet to win the All-Ireland, so their bitterness towards Derry was probably understandable.
Absolute rubbish Tyrone got behind the Derry minors that year. The Derry manager thanked the support that they got.
Nope. I was in the lower Cusack for that game, and the amount of white and red flag that were raised when Galway scored was equal/slightly more than for a Derry score. There was a 60:40 split in the Tyrone fans around me. With the majority going for Galway.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. Just what I observed.
Quote from: GJL on August 09, 2015, 09:27:28 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 09:12:47 AM
Quote from: GJL on August 09, 2015, 09:09:36 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 08:59:33 AM
If Tyrone concentrate on football they have a good chance . Kerry aren't as good as people have them at present . But they won't concentrate on football they'll bring it down to the base levels and they'll lose . Kerry will get the frees necessary to win the game by 5/6 points
Pity.
Tyrone have their faults but conceding a lot of scorable frees is not one of them. If Tyrone are to beat Kerry they will have to address a different fault. They will have to find the net.
They haven't faced an attack like Kerry's all season which will move them around . When they do and they start getting frustrated they'll resort to type and concede frees. They also haven't faced a midfield like Kerry which is the best midfield in the game
I guess time will tell. I know one thing though. Kerry would rather Monaghan won yesterday.
Definitely prefer having to face Tyrone rather than Monaghan.
One positive with this Kerry team compared to previous years is even if you stop Kerry's two main forwards e.g. JOD and Gooch, Kerry still have the likes of O'Brien that can pop up with 1-4, ditto Paul Geaney, Kieran Donaghy, Darren O'Sullivan, etc. Even Donncha Walsh who isn't really a big scorer, still usually drifts in for a goal chance most games.
Quote from: Estimator on August 09, 2015, 02:08:18 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on August 09, 2015, 12:23:34 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 09, 2015, 08:41:19 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 04, 2015, 02:07:04 PM
With Kerry v Derry in the minors, if its Kerry v Tyrone in the seniors, could that mean we'll see the Derry supporters cheering for Tyrone and Tyrone supporters cheering for Derry?
This happened in '95. Derry minors and Tyrone seniors played their respective Galway counterparts. A sizeable section of the Tyrone 'support' were certainly supporting the Tribesmen in the minor game. Hopefully the Tyrone support have matured since then. In fairness at that stage Tyrone had yet to win the All-Ireland, so their bitterness towards Derry was probably understandable.
Absolute rubbish Tyrone got behind the Derry minors that year. The Derry manager thanked the support that they got.
Nope. I was in the lower Cusack for that game, and the amount of white and red flag that were raised when Galway scored was equal/slightly more than for a Derry score. There was a 60:40 split in the Tyrone fans around me. With the majority going for Galway.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. Just what I observed.
I disagree with you the Derry manager (i think his name was Brow) thanked the support they got that day. Look it up and correct me if I'm wrong. The Derry team in 93 stopped off in the Moy were there was a reception for them & they were applauded going through Dungannon.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 09, 2015, 01:16:18 PM
Jaysis Sidney you're a sad man.
Agreed. I'd be worried about somebody like him. May well be mentally not right. Probably best to ignore him. He seems to be consumed by the whole thing.
At that game myself in the canal end, wasnt too many Tyrone people cheering for Derry, hardly mattered anyway!
Kerry were so good against Kildare, it's hard to see a best combo of the other 3 semi-finalists beating them.
We'll need to be very disciplined in this game and not let Kerry and their antics interfere with us imposing our footballing game on them. The Southern media will be in overdrive after what happened yesterday, we need to win this one for the Derrytresk lads and for the biased and hypocritical horseshit that has been circulated in the media over the years about Tyrone.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2015, 04:47:08 PM
We'll need to be very disciplined in this game and not let Kerry and their antics interfere with us imposing our footballing game on them. The Southern media will be in overdrive after what happened yesterday, we need to win this one for the Derrytresk lads and for the biased and hypocritical horseshit that has been circulated in the media over the years about Tyrone.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I have a feeling this poor creatur is serious!
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2015, 04:47:08 PM
We'll need to be very disciplined in this game and not let Kerry and their antics interfere with us imposing our footballing game on them. The Southern media will be in overdrive after what happened yesterday, we need to win this one for the Derrytresk lads and for the biased and hypocritical horseshit that has been circulated in the media over the years about Tyrone.
Oh I get it. Your shtick is that you're the Tyrone Mike Sheedy.
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 09, 2015, 05:05:39 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2015, 04:47:08 PM
We'll need to be very disciplined in this game and not let Kerry and their antics interfere with us imposing our footballing game on them. The Southern media will be in overdrive after what happened yesterday, we need to win this one for the Derrytresk lads and for the biased and hypocritical horseshit that has been circulated in the media over the years about Tyrone.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I have a feeling this poor creatur is serious!
Anyone who was at the 05 final knows the special treatment Canavan came in for from Tom O'Sullivan where we as goaded, taunted and attacked for the full game but of course we heard nothing about it due to the blindness some people have in respect to Kerry. Peter The Great came up with a superb 1-01 from play and Tyrone became All Ireland Champions.
Kerry had no problem lowering the blade against us but still it wasn't enough. The attempts the Southern media have made to try and devalue our achievements doesn't sit well with me.
Quote from: tyroneman on August 09, 2015, 09:23:02 AM
Quote from: stew on August 08, 2015, 06:44:23 PM
Quote from: The Trap on August 08, 2015, 05:51:13 PM
What age are you stew? Must be good playing under 12 football.......
They are a gaggle that are strangling the game of football, they blacken the name of the GAA with the thuggery and knavery they get up to, in short, f**k them!
Remind me which county couldn't even let a challenge match with Dublin get thrown in before starting with the thuggery?
Or an Ulster Championship game against Cavan... pathetic apple chomping hypocrites who will never get over 2003 :'(
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2015, 05:10:56 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 09, 2015, 05:05:39 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2015, 04:47:08 PM
We'll need to be very disciplined in this game and not let Kerry and their antics interfere with us imposing our footballing game on them. The Southern media will be in overdrive after what happened yesterday, we need to win this one for the Derrytresk lads and for the biased and hypocritical horseshit that has been circulated in the media over the years about Tyrone.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I have a feeling this poor creatur is serious!
Anyone who was at the 05 final knows the special treatment Canavan came in for from Tom O'Sullivan where we as goaded, taunted and attacked for the full game but of course we heard nothing about it due to the blindness some people have in respect to Kerry. Peter The Great came up with a superb 1-01 from play and Tyrone became All Ireland Champions.
Kerry had no problem lowering the blade against us but still it wasn't enough. The attempts the Southern media have made to try and devalue our achievements doesn't sit well with me.
This was the bit I laughed at..."we need to win this one for the Derrytresk lads".... :D :D :D :D :D :D
Don't mind him. Derrytresk are pure hallions who would know football from cow dung.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 09, 2015, 04:01:13 PM
At that game myself in the canal end, wasnt too many Tyrone people cheering for Derry, hardly mattered anyway!
And in the Hogan Stand that I saw lots of Derry wans take off their Derry jersey after the minor game to reveal a Dublin one underneath. ::)
What's your point caller?
For the first time since 1978 I will be shouting for Kerry the next day. Tyrone are a poor example to youngsters who want to play Gaelic football. And lest anyone thinks that mc cann's antics were a first off, Aidan o Mahony of Kerry did the exact same thing to get Donncha o Connor of cork sent off in Croke park a few years ago. It's just that Kerry at least try to play positive football and therefore in my opinion are the lesser of the two evils. Besides I want Mayo to beat them in the final anyway. I think Kerry might find it hard to beat Tyrone though as when Tyrone want to play football they are very good. Kerry to win though by 5 or 6 based on their ability to score from long range.
I expect that big hateful bollix Donaghy to dominate the aerial battle resulting in a few goals for Kerry. Kerry have the better forwards but you never know , its all on the day look at Dublin V Donegal last year
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 09, 2015, 06:26:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2015, 05:10:56 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 09, 2015, 05:05:39 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2015, 04:47:08 PM
We'll need to be very disciplined in this game and not let Kerry and their antics interfere with us imposing our footballing game on them. The Southern media will be in overdrive after what happened yesterday, we need to win this one for the Derrytresk lads and for the biased and hypocritical horseshit that has been circulated in the media over the years about Tyrone.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I have a feeling this poor creatur is serious!
Anyone who was at the 05 final knows the special treatment Canavan came in for from Tom O'Sullivan where we as goaded, taunted and attacked for the full game but of course we heard nothing about it due to the blindness some people have in respect to Kerry. Peter The Great came up with a superb 1-01 from play and Tyrone became All Ireland Champions.
Kerry had no problem lowering the blade against us but still it wasn't enough. The attempts the Southern media have made to try and devalue our achievements doesn't sit well with me.
This was the bit I laughed at..."we need to win this one for the Derrytresk lads".... :D :D :D :D :D :D
Derrytresk had their name sullied because of the aggressive and trampish Kerry outfit couldn't take their beating with a semblance of class, they lowered the game they were involved in with their antics and they didn't like the outcome of that.
To those who think no one complained about Aidan O'Mahony at the time:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9096.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9096.0)
27 pages of it.
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2015, 08:12:19 PM
To those who think no one complained about Aidan O'Mahony at the time:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9096.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9096.0)
27 pages of it.
I have no problem with people vilifying Tiernan McCann for what he did, it was wrong and it's not nice to see. It's sad that people are using to drag Tyrone through the mud, Kerry have as much shady shit through the years but seem to avoid any sort of connection to these acts.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 09, 2015, 08:02:38 PM
I expect that big hateful bollix Donaghy to dominate the aerial battle resulting in a few goals for Kerry. Kerry have the better forwards but you never know , its all on the day look at Dublin V Donegal last year
Just like he did in 2008....not! I wish the McMahons were still playing so they could put Donaghy in their back pocket again,oh wait...
were the McMahons not playing when you played them in the qualfiers a few years back?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 09, 2015, 09:48:53 PM
were the McMahons not playing when you played them in the qualfiers a few years back?
Joe was midfield Justy wasn't playing.
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 09, 2015, 05:05:39 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2015, 04:47:08 PM
We'll need to be very disciplined in this game and not let Kerry and their antics interfere with us imposing our footballing game on them. The Southern media will be in overdrive after what happened yesterday, we need to win this one for the Derrytresk lads and for the biased and hypocritical horseshit that has been circulated in the media over the years about Tyrone.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I have a feeling this poor creatur is serious!
This would be Ulsterman from Hogan Stand forum.
hopefully kerry will knock this vile scum out with a bit to spare
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 09, 2015, 11:27:18 PM
hopefully kerry will knock this vile scum out with a bit to spare
Crawl back under that stone you came from
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 09, 2015, 11:27:18 PM
hopefully kerry will knock this vile scum out with a bit to spare
Perfect example of a sensationalist over reaction and poor judgement - this would not be out of place in the back row upper their of the away end in a soccer stadium with louts spitting vitriol back and forth, u are a disgrace and anybody else who uses that to describe any GAA team.
Football in general has never been as good in terms of athleticism, long range scores, tackling and speed yet we focus on the negatives ( sure there are a few glaring examples to be completely irradiated) a good look at all-Ireland gold and it is organised thuggery with crude skills barring a few special players. but back to the present, if you match up player for player in the two sides it's very very close, Kerry should be fresher but I think tyrone will be jumping out of there skin to get at Kerry and that will lead to a quality game
Looking forward to this one. Kerry looked pretty awsome the last day out a team full of house hold names. Tyrone are still a bit of an unknown quantity and I find it interesting that people make remarks like they are not as good as the previous team etc. There are a lot of similarities to the 03 side in that they had a few of the exceptional talents of the side from the 90's canavan, Dooher and cavlan mixed in with young hungry players who had known a lot of sucess at underage and Harte at the helm. I think Tyrone 2015 might just surprise a few people in AISF and Kerry may not just be as good as there facial win over Kildare made them out to be its easy to look outstanding against a team which had raised the white flag early on. It will be interesting to see just how good their half forward line and midfield are when they are under the pressure that Tyrone will subject them to. Kerry's fullback line is a little suspect to fast moving forwards.
Quote from: red hander on August 09, 2015, 11:47:27 PM
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 09, 2015, 11:27:18 PM
hopefully kerry will knock this vile scum out with a bit to spare
Crawl back under that stone you came from
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came from no rock boy,Truth is bitter,yere the most hated in Ireland......A disgrace
Use your limited imagination for a second and try and picture what I'm doing at this precise moment... That's right, I'm playing the smallest violin in the world
ach boys this is what we be waiting for, all this carry'on. The Championship is really kicking off now, no matter if its for the right or wrong reasons, and by the time Tyrone and Kerry head out onto Croker the place will be goin clane mad... Don't be letting it all anoy you's, revel in it, this is what it's all about boys. Yidddup!
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 10, 2015, 01:41:56 AM
Looking forward to this one. Kerry looked pretty awsome the last day out a team full of house hold names. Tyrone are still a bit of an unknown quantity and I find it interesting that people make remarks like they are not as good as the previous team etc. There are a lot of similarities to the 03 side in that they had a few of the exceptional talents of the side from the 90's canavan, Dooher and cavlan mixed in with young hungry players who had known a lot of sucess at underage and Harte at the helm. I think Tyrone 2015 might just surprise a few people in AISF and Kerry may not just be as good as there facial win over Kildare made them out to be its easy to look outstanding against a team which had raised the white flag early on. It will be interesting to see just how good their half forward line and midfield are when they are under the pressure that Tyrone will subject them to. Kerry's fullback line is a little suspect to fast moving forwards.
There are no similarities to the 2003 team. Maybe 3 of this team would get on it. The Mahon's and Cavanagh
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2015, 10:00:28 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 10, 2015, 01:41:56 AM
Looking forward to this one. Kerry looked pretty awsome the last day out a team full of house hold names. Tyrone are still a bit of an unknown quantity and I find it interesting that people make remarks like they are not as good as the previous team etc. There are a lot of similarities to the 03 side in that they had a few of the exceptional talents of the side from the 90's canavan, Dooher and cavlan mixed in with young hungry players who had known a lot of sucess at underage and Harte at the helm. I think Tyrone 2015 might just surprise a few people in AISF and Kerry may not just be as good as there facial win over Kildare made them out to be its easy to look outstanding against a team which had raised the white flag early on. It will be interesting to see just how good their half forward line and midfield are when they are under the pressure that Tyrone will subject them to. Kerry's fullback line is a little suspect to fast moving forwards.
There are no similarities to the 2003 team. Maybe 3 of this team would get on it. The Mahon's and Cavanagh
Mattie Donnelly would get on it and on any team in the Country... why he wasn't MOTM at the weekend I'll never know. I like O'Se but his last few MOTM selections have been dodgy!
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2015, 10:00:28 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 10, 2015, 01:41:56 AM
Looking forward to this one. Kerry looked pretty awsome the last day out a team full of house hold names. Tyrone are still a bit of an unknown quantity and I find it interesting that people make remarks like they are not as good as the previous team etc. There are a lot of similarities to the 03 side in that they had a few of the exceptional talents of the side from the 90's canavan, Dooher and cavlan mixed in with young hungry players who had known a lot of sucess at underage and Harte at the helm. I think Tyrone 2015 might just surprise a few people in AISF and Kerry may not just be as good as there facial win over Kildare made them out to be its easy to look outstanding against a team which had raised the white flag early on. It will be interesting to see just how good their half forward line and midfield are when they are under the pressure that Tyrone will subject them to. Kerry's fullback line is a little suspect to fast moving forwards.
There are no similarities to the 2003 team. Maybe 3 of this team would get on it. The Mahon's and Cavanagh
Thats a value judgement made with hindsight after the younger members of the 03 team went on to win 3 All Irelands it remains to be seen what the current crop can achieve.
Justice for Derrytresk!!
:D
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 10, 2015, 10:23:33 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2015, 10:00:28 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 10, 2015, 01:41:56 AM
Looking forward to this one. Kerry looked pretty awsome the last day out a team full of house hold names. Tyrone are still a bit of an unknown quantity and I find it interesting that people make remarks like they are not as good as the previous team etc. There are a lot of similarities to the 03 side in that they had a few of the exceptional talents of the side from the 90's canavan, Dooher and cavlan mixed in with young hungry players who had known a lot of sucess at underage and Harte at the helm. I think Tyrone 2015 might just surprise a few people in AISF and Kerry may not just be as good as there facial win over Kildare made them out to be its easy to look outstanding against a team which had raised the white flag early on. It will be interesting to see just how good their half forward line and midfield are when they are under the pressure that Tyrone will subject them to. Kerry's fullback line is a little suspect to fast moving forwards.
There are no similarities to the 2003 team. Maybe 3 of this team would get on it. The Mahon's and Cavanagh
Thats a value judgement made with hindsight after the younger members of the 03 team went on to win 3 All Irelands it remains to be seen what the current crop can achieve.
Other then Mattie Donnelly nothing exceptional in my view. Full back Mc Nabb is a good player but he's too intent on becoming a hatchet man. Forwards are good but again no Stephen O Neills there.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2015, 10:55:18 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 10, 2015, 10:23:33 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2015, 10:00:28 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 10, 2015, 01:41:56 AM
Looking forward to this one. Kerry looked pretty awsome the last day out a team full of house hold names. Tyrone are still a bit of an unknown quantity and I find it interesting that people make remarks like they are not as good as the previous team etc. There are a lot of similarities to the 03 side in that they had a few of the exceptional talents of the side from the 90's canavan, Dooher and cavlan mixed in with young hungry players who had known a lot of sucess at underage and Harte at the helm. I think Tyrone 2015 might just surprise a few people in AISF and Kerry may not just be as good as there facial win over Kildare made them out to be its easy to look outstanding against a team which had raised the white flag early on. It will be interesting to see just how good their half forward line and midfield are when they are under the pressure that Tyrone will subject them to. Kerry's fullback line is a little suspect to fast moving forwards.
There are no similarities to the 2003 team. Maybe 3 of this team would get on it. The Mahon's and Cavanagh
Thats a value judgement made with hindsight after the younger members of the 03 team went on to win 3 All Irelands it remains to be seen what the current crop can achieve.
Other then Mattie Donnelly nothing exceptional in my view. Full back Mc Nabb is a good player but he's too intent on becoming a hatchet man. Forwards are good but again no Stephen O Neills there.
McNamee is the full back. McNabb plays at WHB.
Both good players
Indiana
If you look back at Tyrone over the years they done a lot without Stephen O'Neill. With the Modern game it is a must that any of the 20 men used on the day of a match should be able to hit scores. The first class forward is not relied on any more.
I'll tell ye one thing about this Tyrone side - they'll be loving the backlash. Mickey Harte does the everyone hates us mentality better than anyone in the game.
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2015, 11:08:53 AM
I'll tell ye one thing about this Tyrone side - they'll be loving the backlash. Mickey Harte does the everyone hates us mentality better than anyone in the game.
No doubt about that at all. He'll be lapping this all up and telling the team how the whole of Ireland wants them beat (it won't be a lie either).
I just think they are a step below the top 3 (I think Donegal are gone now) and this will be a bridge too far. Should they get past Kerry who knows what would happen... I just hope it doesn't!
Quote from: Hereiam on August 10, 2015, 11:02:06 AM
Indiana
If you look back at Tyrone over the years they done a lot without Stephen O'Neill. With the Modern game it is a must that any of the 20 men used on the day of a match should be able to hit scores. The first class forward is not relied on any more.
You'd have won one all ireland at most without him.
You don't score goals easily. You will be struggling to outpoint Kerry. They have more players capable of putting the ball over the bar then you do. If you want to beat them you'll need at least one goal and probably two.
Mc Curry and Mc Aliskey get 70% of their scores from frees. And that's due to the system you use with a lot of short passing. Mc Cann doesn't score much - centre forward the same. Kerry, Mayo and Dublin get plenty of scores from their half forwards.
That's why I don't think Tyrone will win.
One thing's for certain, Tyrone are going to spring some surprises for the semi-final and perhaps they might even spring the biggest surprise of all and not spring any surprise.
Interesting that a team relegated from Division 1 who've been fairly rubbish up until Sunday are now not a kick in the arse away from 2003 greatness! Wise up.
The bandwagon is rolling but she'll surely have to be stopped so the wagons can be circled for the media / public opinion onslaught.
Tyrone certainly wont be afraid of Kerry but they appear under the delusion that Kerry will be afraid of them?
Kerry may or may not be afraid but RTE will be sh1tting themselves at the prospect of Tyrone getting into the final!
If it isn't a Kerry/Dublin Final i'll be very surprised.
Kerry not be afraid of them if anything they be glad to get Tyrone, Tyrone 15 men behind the ball will stop a hammering but i fear for Tyrone in this one. O`Donoghue is a big player for Kerry an if hes out Tyrone well have a chance. Even if they break even around the middle Tommy Walsh and the big ginger haired lad will enter the fray here.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2015, 11:14:50 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on August 10, 2015, 11:02:06 AM
Indiana
If you look back at Tyrone over the years they done a lot without Stephen O'Neill. With the Modern game it is a must that any of the 20 men used on the day of a match should be able to hit scores. The first class forward is not relied on any more.
You'd have won one all ireland at most without him.
You don't score goals easily. You will be struggling to outpoint Kerry. They have more players capable of putting the ball over the bar then you do. If you want to beat them you'll need at least one goal and probably two.
Mc Curry and Mc Aliskey get 70% of their scores from frees. And that's due to the system you use with a lot of short passing. Mc Cann doesn't score much - centre forward the same. Kerry, Mayo and Dublin get plenty of scores from their half forwards.
That's why I don't think Tyrone will win.
I think you will find O Neill was not a regular starting 15 player in 03 or 08 came on as a sub in both.
Fancy Tyrone for this. More impressive team ethic and all the more games they've plated should stand to them.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 10, 2015, 11:15:34 AM
One thing's for certain, Tyrone are going to spring some surprises for the semi-final and perhaps they might even spring the biggest surprise of all and not spring any surprise.
Now that would be a surprise !!
Kerry training manual for the next 2 weeks
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Tyrone's
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Quote from: screenexile on August 10, 2015, 11:13:08 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2015, 11:08:53 AM
I'll tell ye one thing about this Tyrone side - they'll be loving the backlash. Mickey Harte does the everyone hates us mentality better than anyone in the game.
No doubt about that at all. He'll be lapping this all up and telling the team how the whole of Ireland wants them beat (it won't be a lie either).
I just think they are a step below the top 3 (I think Donegal are gone now) and this will be a bridge too far. Should they get past Kerry who knows what would happen... I just hope it doesn't!
Bar Cork, surely ye'll give us Cork...?
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2015, 11:14:50 AM
You don't score goals easily. You will be struggling to outpoint Kerry. They have more players capable of putting the ball over the bar then you do. If you want to beat them you'll need at least one goal and probably two.
Mc Curry and Mc Aliskey get 70% of their scores from frees. And that's due to the system you use with a lot of short passing. Mc Cann doesn't score much - centre forward the same. Kerry, Mayo and Dublin get plenty of scores from their half forwards.
That's why I don't think Tyrone will win.
Bit of an exaggeration there. Between them they have 0-24 from dead balls and 1-18 from play.
You also overlook the fact that Tyrone get a pile of scores from their runners, 2-21 has come from their defence and midfield (2-36 if you include Sean Cavanagh). They have guys from full back and half back like McNamee and McNabb that can pop up with a score.
I agree that they have it all to do against Kerry mind. Definite underdogs.
How likely is it that both McMahons will start for Tyrone?
There were both very dominant in the last Tyrone-Kerry game in Croke Park.
It seems to me that what a Kerry jersey does to the McMahons is what eating after midnight does to mogwai.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2015, 10:00:28 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 10, 2015, 01:41:56 AM
Looking forward to this one. Kerry looked pretty awsome the last day out a team full of house hold names. Tyrone are still a bit of an unknown quantity and I find it interesting that people make remarks like they are not as good as the previous team etc. There are a lot of similarities to the 03 side in that they had a few of the exceptional talents of the side from the 90's canavan, Dooher and cavlan mixed in with young hungry players who had known a lot of sucess at underage and Harte at the helm. I think Tyrone 2015 might just surprise a few people in AISF and Kerry may not just be as good as there facial win over Kildare made them out to be its easy to look outstanding against a team which had raised the white flag early on. It will be interesting to see just how good their half forward line and midfield are when they are under the pressure that Tyrone will subject them to. Kerry's fullback line is a little suspect to fast moving forwards.
There are no similarities to the 2003 team. Maybe 3 of this team would get on it. The Mahon's and Cavanagh
The same can be said for this Kerry team. Not too many of them would have got on the 2003 team.
What was Joe Mc Mahon taken off for on Saturday? Will he be fit for semi?
Quote from: GJL on August 10, 2015, 09:27:15 PM
What was Joe Mc Mahon taken off for on Saturday? Will he be fit for semi?
I read online that it was a groin injury and is a doubt for the semi as may need "medical intervention", whatever that means.
Quote from: Rois on August 10, 2015, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: GJL on August 10, 2015, 09:27:15 PM
What was Joe Mc Mahon taken off for on Saturday? Will he be fit for semi?
I read online that it was a groin injury and is a doubt for the semi as may need "medical intervention", whatever that means.
New word for treatment
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 10, 2015, 10:02:33 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 10, 2015, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: GJL on August 10, 2015, 09:27:15 PM
What was Joe Mc Mahon taken off for on Saturday? Will he be fit for semi?
I read online that it was a groin injury and is a doubt for the semi as may need "medical intervention", whatever that means.
New word for treatment
Really could do with him in the defence for this game! :(
Quote from: GJL on August 10, 2015, 10:09:48 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 10, 2015, 10:02:33 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 10, 2015, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: GJL on August 10, 2015, 09:27:15 PM
What was Joe Mc Mahon taken off for on Saturday? Will he be fit for semi?
I read online that it was a groin injury and is a doubt for the semi as may need "medical intervention", whatever that means.
New word for treatment
Really could do with him in the defence for this game! :(
Say nothin yet... all sounds a bit up the air, the Groin's may be doable, remember Justy hamstrings? FFS they were worse than a cruciate
Quote from: GJL on August 10, 2015, 12:07:16 PM
Kerry may or may not be afraid but RTE will be sh1tting themselves at the prospect of Tyrone getting into the final!
We will have the banquet in the Glenavon
A losers banquet, how novel!
Quote from: stew on August 10, 2015, 10:32:59 PM
A losers banquet, how novel!
Your vote of confidence v Kerry is noted and appreciated, although not required
Quote from: stew on August 10, 2015, 10:32:59 PM
A losers banquet, how novel!
Not really - Armagh had one in 2003 in Citywest.
Zing!
Dont give a flying fcuk what RTE or for that matter any of the rest of the anti Tyrone brigade think or say. After the butchery of 1996 all bets have been off by fair or foul means I dont care. The sanctimonious bull we are feed by Brolly O'Rourke and the sheep who come on bleating on multi media forums is laughable. Aidan O'shea done exactly the same as McCann did and now he is the manly darling of O'Rourke ET al. Dublin Kerry employ defensive strategies when it suites them and are amongst the most cynical teams in the country when closing down opposition. The reality is that Tyrone and Harte are disliked by RTE because they have the balls not to play to their tune and are prepared to tell them to go f... themselves. And the sheep bleat and bleat.
Quote from: Rodman on August 10, 2015, 04:56:36 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2015, 10:00:28 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 10, 2015, 01:41:56 AM
The same can be said for this Kerry team. Not too many of them would have got on the 2003 team.
Au contraire. I'd pick:
Marc O Sé ahead of Fitzmaurice.
O'Mahony ahead of Sheehan
Moran ahead of Brosnan
JOD ahead of 2003 Declan O'Sullivan
Donaghy ahead O Cinneide
2015 Gooch ahead of 2003 Gooch
Geaney ahead of Crowley
Walsh ahead of Hassett
And Darren O'Sullivan ahead of Sean O'Sullivan
Jaaaaysus...9 pages of shite already and we 2 weeks away from the game?! ;D
It seems no Kerry poster is needed here anyway as we clearly have the Derry/Armagh/Meath/Rest of the known world - crowd on our side for this one!
In all fairness, when you get beyond the shitstorm over Saturday, this will be an interesting game and one that Kerry will have to be very well prepared for. We have enough to win certainly, but if you get tactics wrong or you fail to be inventive enough or fail to keep your discipline on a given day, you can be beaten. I would be hoping that we won't show the naivety Monaghan showed at times on Saturday and we have more than 1 focal point in the attack I think also, so not as easily managed.
Looking forward to it.
I honestly don't see Kerry having the legs for us, we are playing at a savage intesity right now, the pace at which the likes of Donnelly, Harte McCann and McNabb are breaking at is understated. Kerry have an awful lot of guys in their late 20s and 30s and they won't like it one bit the kind of hunger and intensity we will throw at them. If we can break even in the middle and manage to handle Donaghy again then I can't see us losing this one.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 11, 2015, 12:46:49 AM
I honestly don't see Kerry having the legs for us, we are playing at a savage intesity right now, the pace at which the likes of Donnelly, Harte McCann and McNabb are breaking at is understated. Kerry have an awful lot of guys in their late 20s and 30s and they won't like it one bit the kind of hunger and intensity we will throw at them. If we can break even in the middle and manage to handle Donaghy again then I can't see us losing this one.
I admire your confidence but it doesn't really stack up based on evidence.
Don't see Donaghy playing myself either. Maybe as an impact sub possibly.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 11, 2015, 12:53:17 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 11, 2015, 12:46:49 AM
I honestly don't see Kerry having the legs for us, we are playing at a savage intesity right now, the pace at which the likes of Donnelly, Harte McCann and McNabb are breaking at is understated. Kerry have an awful lot of guys in their late 20s and 30s and they won't like it one bit the kind of hunger and intensity we will throw at them. If we can break even in the middle and manage to handle Donaghy again then I can't see us losing this one.
I admire your confidence but it doesn't really stack up based on evidence.
Don't see Donaghy playing myself either. Maybe as an impact sub possibly.
Tell the lads I said they won't win the AI if they don't start Tommy Walsh.
How do people rate Tyrone's chances?
Quote from: blanketattack on August 11, 2015, 12:27:16 AM
Quote from: Rodman on August 10, 2015, 04:56:36 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2015, 10:00:28 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 10, 2015, 01:41:56 AM
The same can be said for this Kerry team. Not too many of them would have got on the 2003 team.
Au contraire. I'd pick:
Marc O Sé ahead of Fitzmaurice.
O'Mahony ahead of Sheehan
Moran ahead of Brosnan
JOD ahead of 2003 Declan O'Sullivan
Donaghy ahead O Cinneide
2015 Gooch ahead of 2003 Gooch
Geaney ahead of Crowley
Walsh ahead of Hassett
And Darren O'Sullivan ahead of Sean O'Sullivan
Thats a 15 Donaghy mind not an 06 one...and could throw that in for O'Mahoney and O'Se also.
And Gooch 03 was deadly, more of a thinking player now true, but 03 he was just pure instinct, a bit niave and light maybe but still deadly
But I'd agree with ye the 03 team wasnt great 05 tho and 08 were much better teams than the present one IMO
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 11, 2015, 01:50:31 AM
How do people rate Tyrone's chances?
Slim. Kerry appear to have a work ethic and system to compliment their attacking options.
Tyrones running game will get scores and will stretch the Kerry defense but they will know what to expect. Kerrys range of attacking options will make it difficult for Harte to get his defensive match ups correct and adjusting 15-20 minutes in could be too late. If Harte gets it right we could be in for a classic.
Severe lack of Kerry posters to liven things up here. Where's Mike Sheehy?
03 Gooch way too light to face 2015 Tyrone.
Donaghy last year in 3 big games far more influential than O Cinneide was.
Aidan O'Mahony is as mobile now as he's ever been. Marc O Sé far more wily now also
Quote from: Armamike on August 11, 2015, 11:37:50 AM
Severe lack of Kerry posters to liven things up here. Where's Mike Sheehy?
Oath keeping: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/oath-keepers-turn-michael-brown-protests-ferguson-missouri-n407696 (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/oath-keepers-turn-michael-brown-protests-ferguson-missouri-n407696)
Quote from: muppet on August 11, 2015, 03:24:06 PM
Quote from: Armamike on August 11, 2015, 11:37:50 AM
Severe lack of Kerry posters to liven things up here. Where's Mike Sheehy?
Oath keeping: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/oath-keepers-turn-michael-brown-protests-ferguson-missouri-n407696 (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/oath-keepers-turn-michael-brown-protests-ferguson-missouri-n407696)
No, trying to recruit them to protect JOD and Gooch
Quote from: blanketattack on August 11, 2015, 11:50:56 AM
03 Gooch way too light to face 2015 Tyrone.
Donaghy last year in 3 big games far more influential than O Cinneide was.
Aidan O'Mahony is as mobile now as he's ever been. Marc O Sé far more wily now also
You could maybe argue the impact and unpredictability of Donaghy is more useful but its a stretch, I would prefer the reliable and thinking O'Cinneide.
But feck me Gooch no way, he was so nimble and agile back then that physicality didnt matter so much. He has adapted unbelievably well to losing these traits by moving to the 40 but with them and playing instinctively in front of he posts was where he was best.
On a side note O'Se and O'Mahony are some servants, the commentator on Sat night mentioned that Dick Clerkin was the longest serving active intercounty footballer, but I immediately thought of these two, how long are they at it?
Only the lower deck seats for both the Hogan and the Cusack have so far been placed on sale and they are practically all gone. What are the chances of the upper decks being made available ?
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 11, 2015, 05:26:06 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 11, 2015, 11:50:56 AM
03 Gooch way too light to face 2015 Tyrone.
Donaghy last year in 3 big games far more influential than O Cinneide was.
Aidan O'Mahony is as mobile now as he's ever been. Marc O Sé far more wily now also
You could maybe argue the impact and unpredictability of Donaghy is more useful but its a stretch, I would prefer the reliable and thinking O'Cinneide.
But feck me Gooch no way, he was so nimble and agile back then that physicality didnt matter so much. He has adapted unbelievably well to losing these traits by moving to the 40 but with them and playing instinctively in front of he posts was where he was best.
On a side note O'Se and O'Mahony are some servants, the commentator on Sat night mentioned that Dick Clerkin was the longest serving active intercounty footballer, but I immediately thought of these two, how long are they at it?
Not as long as you'd think. They were both relatively late developers. Mahony barely made a Kerry minor panel and only appeared as a sub in the semi final in 1998. His only appearance as a minor. Marc made the team that year but was no great shakes as a minor. He played u21 in 2000 but that was a weak team. Year after wasn't great either. Mahony went to CIT, played Sigerson football and improved rapidly. Was centre back and captain on u21s in 2001.
Marc made his debut in 2002 in the league with Kerry, but whether he would have got a run so early if his uncle wasn't manager I'm not sure. He played throughout the 2002 championship and did ok, but was roasted in the final by Diarmuid Marsden and taken off. He was a sub for a lot of the following year. Was dropped for the Tyrone semi final. Came on and scored a spectacular point just before half time.
It was only when Jack took over in 2004 they both established themselves (along with Paul Galvin) as first 15 players. They both turned 24 that year. Goes to show, it's not too late for lads to establish themselves and push on to greatness. If you'd told me when he was being roasted in the 2003 1/4 final against Roscommon that Marc O'Sé would become a top class defender and win 5 All Irelands, I'd have laughed at you!
V interesting post.
The most stupid cynical team plays the most cynical cutest whores of all, makes for an interesting game.
Kerry were cynical before the word was invented, Tyrone should cop themselves on and just use it when they have to, the ref will have an interesting day out and regardless will be to blame for other peoples bad behaviour, yes lads its all-ireland semi final time with 2 of the top teams in the country, I wonder will we see any football or will it be another Shakespearian performance. Come on Mayo or even the Dubs.
Unconfirmed reports tonight via Philip Jordans twitter that ccc have handed out a ban to a Tyrone player for the semi final.
There's only one option available, track down all the miracle grow we can and get the beards ready for the 23rd!
(http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss46/darragh_mccullagh/IMG_5498a.jpg)
Ah the GAA, making a balls of actually running our games since 1887...
Banning McCann for 8 weeks for (an unquestionably disgusting act) the dive, when Shields did the very same thing a few weeks back on Live TV and got away scot free to mention but one..you just can't decide to jump on the bandwagon and pick ONE guy out over a media furore.
The solution to this issue, if done right (which won't happen) would be to instruct refs and officials to ACTUALLY PUNISH THE PLAYERS DIVING. A yellow card and a hop ball, losing possession a couple of times and the player and team involved won't be long copping on.
This would require a competent administration and a lot of competent refs, though. Neither of which I believe exist currently.
Brolly, ar5ehole that he is, has accurately dismembered the CCCC's case here on twitter in a few tweets. If they persist the same will happen in the DRA or whatever, wasting a lot of time, energy and money in the process.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 12, 2015, 02:18:23 PM
Ah the GAA, making a balls of actually running our games since 1887...[/b]
Banning McCann for 8 weeks for (an unquestionably disgusting act) the dive, when Shields did the very same thing a few weeks back on Live TV and got away scot free to mention but one..you just can't decide to jump on the bandwagon and pick ONE guy out over a media furore.
The solution to this issue, if done right (which won't happen) would be to instruct refs and officials to ACTUALLY PUNISH THE PLAYERS DIVING. A yellow card and a hop ball, losing possession a couple of times and the player and team involved won't be long copping on.
This would require a competent administration and a lot of competent refs, though. Neither of which I believe exist currently.
Brolly, ar5ehole that he is, has accurately dismembered the CCCC's case here on twitter in a few tweets. If they persist the same will happen in the DRA or whatever, wasting a lot of time, energy and money in the process.
What was so good about 1884 to 1886?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 02:22:36 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 12, 2015, 02:18:23 PM
Ah the GAA, making a balls of actually running our games since 1887...[/b]
Banning McCann for 8 weeks for (an unquestionably disgusting act) the dive, when Shields did the very same thing a few weeks back on Live TV and got away scot free to mention but one..you just can't decide to jump on the bandwagon and pick ONE guy out over a media furore.
The solution to this issue, if done right (which won't happen) would be to instruct refs and officials to ACTUALLY PUNISH THE PLAYERS DIVING. A yellow card and a hop ball, losing possession a couple of times and the player and team involved won't be long copping on.
This would require a competent administration and a lot of competent refs, though. Neither of which I believe exist currently.
Brolly, ar5ehole that he is, has accurately dismembered the CCCC's case here on twitter in a few tweets. If they persist the same will happen in the DRA or whatever, wasting a lot of time, energy and money in the process.
What was so good about 1884 to 1886?
There were no championships to f**k up then if i'm not mistaken? Didn't they only start in 1887?
Are you in for the Tipp job? ;)
No All-Irelands until 1887 AZ ;)
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 12, 2015, 02:26:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 02:22:36 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 12, 2015, 02:18:23 PM
Ah the GAA, making a balls of actually running our games since 1887...[/b]
Banning McCann for 8 weeks for (an unquestionably disgusting act) the dive, when Shields did the very same thing a few weeks back on Live TV and got away scot free to mention but one..you just can't decide to jump on the bandwagon and pick ONE guy out over a media furore.
The solution to this issue, if done right (which won't happen) would be to instruct refs and officials to ACTUALLY PUNISH THE PLAYERS DIVING. A yellow card and a hop ball, losing possession a couple of times and the player and team involved won't be long copping on.
This would require a competent administration and a lot of competent refs, though. Neither of which I believe exist currently.
Brolly, ar5ehole that he is, has accurately dismembered the CCCC's case here on twitter in a few tweets. If they persist the same will happen in the DRA or whatever, wasting a lot of time, energy and money in the process.
What was so good about 1884 to 1886?
There were no championships to f**k up then if i'm mistaken? Didn't they only start in 1887?
Are you in for the Tipp job? ;)
No All Irelands doesn't mean they weren't already ruining the games :)
I'd say I'm hot favourite.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 02:28:13 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 12, 2015, 02:26:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 02:22:36 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 12, 2015, 02:18:23 PM
Ah the GAA, making a balls of actually running our games since 1887...[/b]
Banning McCann for 8 weeks for (an unquestionably disgusting act) the dive, when Shields did the very same thing a few weeks back on Live TV and got away scot free to mention but one..you just can't decide to jump on the bandwagon and pick ONE guy out over a media furore.
The solution to this issue, if done right (which won't happen) would be to instruct refs and officials to ACTUALLY PUNISH THE PLAYERS DIVING. A yellow card and a hop ball, losing possession a couple of times and the player and team involved won't be long copping on.
This would require a competent administration and a lot of competent refs, though. Neither of which I believe exist currently.
Brolly, ar5ehole that he is, has accurately dismembered the CCCC's case here on twitter in a few tweets. If they persist the same will happen in the DRA or whatever, wasting a lot of time, energy and money in the process.
What was so good about 1884 to 1886?
There were no championships to f**k up then if i'm mistaken? Didn't they only start in 1887?
Are you in for the Tipp job? ;)
No All Irelands doesn't mean they weren't already ruining the games :)
I'd say I'm hot favourite.
Give me a shout if negotiations get going. Tell them you know a younger, smarter, less bald version of John Evans from Kerry who for petrol money and free shnack boxes for life in Supermacs Thurles will lead Tipp to the promised land.. ;D
Kerry will be sitting back laughing at all this, let Tyrone be ripped apart from the inside out, dragging this matter through court, and they will get on with their preparations regardless.
Not a single Kerry analyst, Pat Spillane/ Darragh O'Shea etc, will give any column space to the incident unless the ban is overturned, after which they will go to town on it.
Something similar happened when Tyrone last made an all-ireland semi-final, the entire build up was overshadowed with the Tyrone County Board releasing a "Statement of Facts" that they were fouled more than their oppoenets in the wake of Sean Cavanagh's pull down.
Kevin keegans words spring to mind
I would say Kerry are a bit uneasy about all this. This is classic 'siege mentality' ammunition for Tyrone, a Tyrone team that seem to thrive on that and have been playing well. There's nothing good in this broohaha for Kerry I'd say.
Dont know Kerry now hold more aces if they didnt already. We stand to lose one of our top half forwards. They are sitting back watching Tyrone in meltdown.
Quote from: rrhf on August 12, 2015, 03:39:38 PM
Dont know Kerry now hold more aces if they didnt already. We stand to lose one of our top half forwards. They are sitting back watching Tyrone in meltdown.
What would you call a Northern version of yerra..."Yirra"? ;D
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 12, 2015, 03:40:28 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 12, 2015, 03:39:38 PM
Dont know Kerry now hold more aces if they didnt already. We stand to lose one of our top half forwards. They are sitting back watching Tyrone in meltdown.
What would you call a Northern version of yerra..."Yirra"? ;D
No it's - "We're always right about everything so we are"
Quote from: Rossfan on August 12, 2015, 03:50:35 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 12, 2015, 03:40:28 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 12, 2015, 03:39:38 PM
Dont know Kerry now hold more aces if they didnt already. We stand to lose one of our top half forwards. They are sitting back watching Tyrone in meltdown.
What would you call a Northern version of yerra..."Yirra"? ;D
No it's - "We're always right about everything so we are"
D'oh, you didn't really get the question, did you? ;D
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 12, 2015, 03:29:24 PM
Kerry will be sitting back laughing at all this, let Tyrone be ripped apart from the inside out, dragging this matter through court, and they will get on with their preparations regardless.
Not a single Kerry analyst, Pat Spillane/ Darragh O'Shea etc, will give any column space to the incident unless the ban is overturned, after which they will go to town on it.
Something similar happened when Tyrone last made an all-ireland semi-final, the entire build up was overshadowed with the Tyrone County Board releasing a "Statement of Facts" that they were fouled more than their oppoenets in the wake of Sean Cavanagh's pull down.
Kevin keegans words spring to mind
Which ones?
"The 33 or 34-year-olds will be 36 or 37 by the time the next World Cup comes around, if they're not careful."
"He's using his strength. And that is his strength – his strength."
"They compare Steve McManaman to Steve Heighway and he's nothing like him, but I can see why – it's because he's a bit different."
"Goalkeepers aren't born today until they're in their late twenties or thirties."
"I came to Nantes two years ago and it's much the same today, except that it's completely different."
"In some ways, cramp is worse than having a broken leg."
"It's understandable that people are keeping one eye on the pot and another up the chimney."
"The tide is very much in our court now."
"I suppose if I had my time again I would refuse it and stay at Fulham because I thoroughly enjoyed my time there, and secondly I would have taken it..."
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 12, 2015, 03:29:24 PM
Kerry will be sitting back laughing at all this, let Tyrone be ripped apart from the inside out, dragging this matter through court, and they will get on with their preparations regardless.
Not a single Kerry analyst, Pat Spillane/ Darragh O'Shea etc, will give any column space to the incident unless the ban is overturned, after which they will go to town on it.
Something similar happened when Tyrone last made an all-ireland semi-final, the entire build up was overshadowed with the Tyrone County Board releasing a "Statement of Facts" that they were fouled more than their oppoenets in the wake of Sean Cavanagh's pull down.
Kevin keegans words spring to mind
I've a funny suspicion that it's Mickey Harte who will be sitting back doing the laughing! Mickey has proven himself to be one of the masters at using negativity towards his team to his and their advantage. This can only bring an extremely tight group of players even tighter. If I was Kerry I'd be hoping this sorts itself out sooner rather than later. The last thing they need is one of their ex players writing a damning article on Tyrone's tactics. I can't see that happening.
I'd expect Mickey to pile a bit of pressure on the officials regarding the Colm O'Rourke comments too. A bit like Horan did a few years ago. Make it clear to all in sundry that it's out of order for refs to have a pre conceived view of Tyrone before the game and challenge them to ref the game fairly!
Other than that, it should be an interesting build up!
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 12, 2015, 03:40:28 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 12, 2015, 03:39:38 PM
Dont know Kerry now hold more aces if they didnt already. We stand to lose one of our top half forwards. They are sitting back watching Tyrone in meltdown.
What would you call a Northern version of yerra..."Yirra"? ;D
and hes some yirra,nice one ciarrai
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 12, 2015, 03:53:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 12, 2015, 03:50:35 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 12, 2015, 03:40:28 PM
What would you call a Northern version of yerra..."Yirra"? ;D
No it's - "We're always right about everything so we are"
D'oh, you didn't really get the question, did you? ;D
And you being from Ulster don't get irony or humour ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on August 12, 2015, 04:47:49 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 12, 2015, 03:53:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 12, 2015, 03:50:35 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 12, 2015, 03:40:28 PM
What would you call a Northern version of yerra..."Yirra"? ;D
No it's - "We're always right about everything so we are"
D'oh, you didn't really get the question, did you? ;D
And you being from Ulster don't get irony or humour ::)
Not to the degree of that bus you lot have, true. :P
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 12, 2015, 03:29:24 PM
Kerry will be sitting back laughing at all this, let Tyrone be ripped apart from the inside out, dragging this matter through court, and they will get on with their preparations regardless.
Not a single Kerry analyst, Pat Spillane/ Darragh O'Shea etc, will give any column space to the incident unless the ban is overturned, after which they will go to town on it.
Something similar happened when Tyrone last made an all-ireland semi-final, the entire build up was overshadowed with the Tyrone County Board releasing a "Statement of Facts" that they were fouled more than their oppoenets in the wake of Sean Cavanagh's pull down.
Kevin keegans words spring to mind
What Kevin Keegans words? Do you mean the Rafa Benitez remarks about his Facts on Fergie and Manure?
Never mind, can't believe Keegan could say shit like that!
Quote from: muppet on August 12, 2015, 04:00:01 PM
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 12, 2015, 03:29:24 PM
Kerry will be sitting back laughing at all this, let Tyrone be ripped apart from the inside out, dragging this matter through court, and they will get on with their preparations regardless.
Not a single Kerry analyst, Pat Spillane/ Darragh O'Shea etc, will give any column space to the incident unless the ban is overturned, after which they will go to town on it.
Something similar happened when Tyrone last made an all-ireland semi-final, the entire build up was overshadowed with the Tyrone County Board releasing a "Statement of Facts" that they were fouled more than their oppoenets in the wake of Sean Cavanagh's pull down.
Kevin keegans words spring to mind
Which ones?
"The 33 or 34-year-olds will be 36 or 37 by the time the next World Cup comes around, if they're not careful."
"He's using his strength. And that is his strength – his strength."
"They compare Steve McManaman to Steve Heighway and he's nothing like him, but I can see why – it's because he's a bit different."
"Goalkeepers aren't born today until they're in their late twenties or thirties."
"I came to Nantes two years ago and it's much the same today, except that it's completely different."
"In some ways, cramp is worse than having a broken leg."
"It's understandable that people are keeping one eye on the pot and another up the chimney."
"The tide is very much in our court now."
"I suppose if I had my time again I would refuse it and stay at Fulham because I thoroughly enjoyed my time there, and secondly I would have taken it..."
That is brilliant.
Stepping away from all the craic for a second...
Does anybody expect the upper tier to open next Sunday??
Quote from: stew on August 12, 2015, 06:45:08 PM
Quote from: bluenosebandit on August 12, 2015, 03:29:24 PM
Kerry will be sitting back laughing at all this, let Tyrone be ripped apart from the inside out, dragging this matter through court, and they will get on with their preparations regardless.
Not a single Kerry analyst, Pat Spillane/ Darragh O'Shea etc, will give any column space to the incident unless the ban is overturned, after which they will go to town on it.
Something similar happened when Tyrone last made an all-ireland semi-final, the entire build up was overshadowed with the Tyrone County Board releasing a "Statement of Facts" that they were fouled more than their oppoenets in the wake of Sean Cavanagh's pull down.
Kevin keegans words spring to mind
What Kevin Keegans words? Do you mean the Rafa Benitez remarks about his Facts on Fergie and Manure?
Never mind, can't believe Keegan could say shit like that!
"And I'll tell you, honestly, I will love it if we beat them. Love it."
Those quoted earlier are better mind you.
Would be some ambush if Tyrone manage to topple Kerry, player for player they are 7-8 point better team
Maurice Deegan to ref this one.
Deegan screwed us in 2013, it had little effect in the end result as Mayo were much the better team but he handed them their first three or four scores from nothing frees at a stage when we were well on top and awarded them a penalty that should have been a free at the start of the second half when there was only a point in it.
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 13, 2015, 09:17:04 AM
Stepping away from all the craic for a second...
Does anybody expect the upper tier to open next Sunday??
It has always been open for Semi-Finals before
Maigh Eo abú! :)
McCann ban is 'lunacy', says Horan
13 August 2015
James Horan has described Tiernan McCann's proposed eight-week ban as 'lunacy'.
The former Mayo manager claims the Killyclogher clubman has been "hung out to dry" by the GAA and fears the whole controversy could harm Tyrone's chances of upsetting Kerry in Sunday week's All-Ireland SFC semi-final.
"If Tiernan McCann is suspended for eight weeks, you'd have to question what the GAA is at," Horan writes in the Irish Daily Star.
"This proposed ban is absolute lunacy. It's yet another example of elements of the media setting the agenda and the GAA authorities following sheepishly behind.
"It has been argued that this furore will help Tyrone going into the All-Ireland semi-finals, that they'll feed off a siege mentality. I don't see it that way. This kind of stuff can't be helpful.
"The CCCC has made a big mistake in my opinion. This is a response to media hysteria. Joe Brolly set the ball rolling with a Sunday newspaper column and then the Sunday Game laid into McCann.
"It looks to be me as if Croke Park react to pressure from pundits. That's not right.
"McCann made a stupid mistake late on against Monaghan. He was daft and wrong in what he did (taking a dive) – there's no question about that. But he's been singled out as part of a witch-hunt by elements of the media."
Hoganstand article (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=242523)
Quote from: WeeDonns on August 13, 2015, 11:10:07 AM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 13, 2015, 09:17:04 AM
Stepping away from all the craic for a second...
Does anybody expect the upper tier to open next Sunday??
It has always been open for Semi-Finals before
Those will be the tickets distributed through the clubs.
Joe McMahon having a hernia operation at the weekend. He'd be very doubtful for the 23rd.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2015, 11:39:16 AM
Maigh Eo abú! :)
McCann ban is 'lunacy', says Horan
13 August 2015
James Horan has described Tiernan McCann's proposed eight-week ban as 'lunacy'.
The former Mayo manager claims the Killyclogher clubman has been "hung out to dry" by the GAA and fears the whole controversy could harm Tyrone's chances of upsetting Kerry in Sunday week's All-Ireland SFC semi-final.
"If Tiernan McCann is suspended for eight weeks, you'd have to question what the GAA is at," Horan writes in the Irish Daily Star.
"This proposed ban is absolute lunacy. It's yet another example of elements of the media setting the agenda and the GAA authorities following sheepishly behind.
"It has been argued that this furore will help Tyrone going into the All-Ireland semi-finals, that they'll feed off a siege mentality. I don't see it that way. This kind of stuff can't be helpful.
"The CCCC has made a big mistake in my opinion. This is a response to media hysteria. Joe Brolly set the ball rolling with a Sunday newspaper column and then the Sunday Game laid into McCann.
"It looks to be me as if Croke Park react to pressure from pundits. That's not right.
"McCann made a stupid mistake late on against Monaghan. He was daft and wrong in what he did (taking a dive) – there's no question about that. But he's been singled out as part of a witch-hunt by elements of the media."
Hoganstand article (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=242523)
Fear, is there any chance of getting the full article up please?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 13, 2015, 12:35:36 PM
Joe McMahon having a hernia operation at the weekend. He'd be very doubtful for the 23rd.
They suspect he'll be fit, all keyhole surgery im told, he'll suffer a bit of bruising but no muscle damage, shud be fit to play all being well.
With or with out McCann and McMahon Kerry should have too much for Tyrone.
Quote from: AhNowRef on August 13, 2015, 01:51:25 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2015, 11:39:16 AM
Maigh Eo abú! :)
McCann ban is 'lunacy', says Horan
13 August 2015
James Horan has described Tiernan McCann's proposed eight-week ban as 'lunacy'.
The former Mayo manager claims the Killyclogher clubman has been "hung out to dry" by the GAA and fears the whole controversy could harm Tyrone's chances of upsetting Kerry in Sunday week's All-Ireland SFC semi-final.
"If Tiernan McCann is suspended for eight weeks, you'd have to question what the GAA is at," Horan writes in the Irish Daily Star.
"This proposed ban is absolute lunacy. It's yet another example of elements of the media setting the agenda and the GAA authorities following sheepishly behind.
"It has been argued that this furore will help Tyrone going into the All-Ireland semi-finals, that they'll feed off a siege mentality. I don't see it that way. This kind of stuff can't be helpful.
"The CCCC has made a big mistake in my opinion. This is a response to media hysteria. Joe Brolly set the ball rolling with a Sunday newspaper column and then the Sunday Game laid into McCann.
"It looks to be me as if Croke Park react to pressure from pundits. That's not right.
"McCann made a stupid mistake late on against Monaghan. He was daft and wrong in what he did (taking a dive) – there's no question about that. But he's been singled out as part of a witch-hunt by elements of the media."
Hoganstand article (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=242523)
Fear, is there any chance of getting the full article up please?
That is the full article ANR, though I believe it was taken from the
Daily Star in the first instance.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2015, 02:22:55 PM
Quote from: AhNowRef on August 13, 2015, 01:51:25 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2015, 11:39:16 AM
Maigh Eo abú! :)
McCann ban is 'lunacy', says Horan
13 August 2015
James Horan has described Tiernan McCann's proposed eight-week ban as 'lunacy'.
The former Mayo manager claims the Killyclogher clubman has been "hung out to dry" by the GAA and fears the whole controversy could harm Tyrone's chances of upsetting Kerry in Sunday week's All-Ireland SFC semi-final.
"If Tiernan McCann is suspended for eight weeks, you'd have to question what the GAA is at," Horan writes in the Irish Daily Star.
"This proposed ban is absolute lunacy. It's yet another example of elements of the media setting the agenda and the GAA authorities following sheepishly behind.
"It has been argued that this furore will help Tyrone going into the All-Ireland semi-finals, that they'll feed off a siege mentality. I don't see it that way. This kind of stuff can't be helpful.
"The CCCC has made a big mistake in my opinion. This is a response to media hysteria. Joe Brolly set the ball rolling with a Sunday newspaper column and then the Sunday Game laid into McCann.
"It looks to be me as if Croke Park react to pressure from pundits. That's not right.
"McCann made a stupid mistake late on against Monaghan. He was daft and wrong in what he did (taking a dive) – there's no question about that. But he's been singled out as part of a witch-hunt by elements of the media."
Hoganstand article (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=242523)
Fear, is there any chance of getting the full article up please?
That is the full article ANR, though I believe it was taken from the Daily Star in the first instance.
Yeah, its the Daily Star one I was looking for. I believe its very good with a lot more in it than in the hogan stand. Ive tried the Daily Star online but can find it though !!!
Quote from: WeeDonns on August 13, 2015, 11:10:07 AM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 13, 2015, 09:17:04 AM
Stepping away from all the craic for a second...
Does anybody expect the upper tier to open next Sunday??
It has always been open for Semi-Finals before
When would the upper tier tickets go on sale? and can you buy them at croke park on the day?
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 13, 2015, 02:14:52 PM
With or with out McCann and McMahon Kerry should have too much for Tyrone.
Agreed. Kerry tick all the boxes and are the champions.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2015, 11:39:16 AM
Maigh Eo abú! :)
McCann ban is 'lunacy', says Horan
13 August 2015
James Horan has described Tiernan McCann's proposed eight-week ban as 'lunacy'.
The former Mayo manager claims the Killyclogher clubman has been "hung out to dry" by the GAA and fears the whole controversy could harm Tyrone's chances of upsetting Kerry in Sunday week's All-Ireland SFC semi-final.
"If Tiernan McCann is suspended for eight weeks, you'd have to question what the GAA is at," Horan writes in the Irish Daily Star.
"This proposed ban is absolute lunacy. It's yet another example of elements of the media setting the agenda and the GAA authorities following sheepishly behind.
"It has been argued that this furore will help Tyrone going into the All-Ireland semi-finals, that they'll feed off a siege mentality. I don't see it that way. This kind of stuff can't be helpful.
"The CCCC has made a big mistake in my opinion. This is a response to media hysteria. Joe Brolly set the ball rolling with a Sunday newspaper column and then the Sunday Game laid into McCann.
"It looks to be me as if Croke Park react to pressure from pundits. That's not right.
"McCann made a stupid mistake late on against Monaghan. He was daft and wrong in what he did (taking a dive) – there's no question about that. But he's been singled out as part of a witch-hunt by elements of the media."
Hoganstand article (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=242523)
It is lunacy and a disgrace and I for one hope common sense prevails!
If McCann plays against Kerry I hope he gets what he deserves after that awful shite he pulled!!!
Pinch me I must be dreaming....a Kerry man talks a bit of sense for once.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eoin-liston-gaa-have-given-red-hand-a-reason-to-feel-aggrieved-over-mccann-ban-31448104.html
Quote from: Talks a good game on August 13, 2015, 06:18:11 PM
Pinch me I must be dreaming....a Kerry man talks a bit of sense for once.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eoin-liston-gaa-have-given-red-hand-a-reason-to-feel-aggrieved-over-mccann-ban-31448104.html
Not sure why you are attacking Kerrymen.
It seems to me to be mainly your neighbours who the most vocal critics.
Your biggest supporters are the likes of James Horan and half of the southerners on here.
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 07:27:19 PM
Quote from: Talks a good game on August 13, 2015, 06:18:11 PM
Pinch me I must be dreaming....a Kerry man talks a bit of sense for once.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eoin-liston-gaa-have-given-red-hand-a-reason-to-feel-aggrieved-over-mccann-ban-31448104.html
Not sure why you are attacking Kerrymen.
It seems to me to be mainly your neighbours who the most vocal critics.
Your biggest supporters are the likes of James Horan and half of the southerners on here.
Ahh no it was meant as a complement. I haven't heard Liston speak but maybe he could replace Pat on TV? Then all we would need is a Dublin Sunday game pundit with an All Ireland medal and things might start to calm down a bit
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 13, 2015, 02:09:29 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 13, 2015, 12:35:36 PM
Joe McMahon having a hernia operation at the weekend. He'd be very doubtful for the 23rd.
They suspect he'll be fit, all keyhole surgery im told, he'll suffer a bit of bruising but no muscle damage, shud be fit to play all being well.
Not according to the latest reports, they it looks like he's gonna miss it. We could have done with at least that falling our way
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2015, 04:24:27 AM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 13, 2015, 02:09:29 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 13, 2015, 12:35:36 PM
Joe McMahon having a hernia operation at the weekend. He'd be very doubtful for the 23rd.
They suspect he'll be fit, all keyhole surgery im told, he'll suffer a bit of bruising but no muscle damage, shud be fit to play all being well.
Not according to the latest reports, they it looks like he's gonna miss it. We could have done with at least that falling our way
watch this space ;)
Quote from: Talks a good game on August 13, 2015, 06:18:11 PM
Pinch me I must be dreaming....a Kerry man talks a bit of sense for once.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eoin-liston-gaa-have-given-red-hand-a-reason-to-feel-aggrieved-over-mccann-ban-31448104.html
A fair, balanced and well thought out piece from Bomber Liston...and he's a legend too!
Looks like JOD isn't going to be fit to play. It's Tyrone's to lose now ;)
Quote from: blanketattack on August 14, 2015, 11:21:04 AM
Looks like JOD isn't going to be fit to play. It's Tyrone's to lose now ;)
This is a massive blow to Kerry. I think he is the player that poses us most problems up front due to his movement and pace and his ability to stretch the defensive cover. All we need now is for their two midfielders to run into each other in training and we'll be confident enough.
Some Arma posters really have deep issues , that are mentally unhealthy ; and I'm not joking.
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 14, 2015, 11:32:56 AM
Some Arma posters really have deep issues , that are mentally unhealthy ; and I'm not joking.
Arma what? Armageddon? are you seeing a reflection of yourself there?
Armagh
Issues with Tyrone Gaa -, Fearon, Stew and you, may be others. Didn't have the time to read all the pages on the Monaghan game ( was getting tedious, McCanns dive was pathetic by the way ) , but if you still don't understand I won't explain any more in reply to your silly questions. Good luck
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 14, 2015, 11:53:53 AM
Issues with Tyrone Gaa -, Fearon, Stew and you, may be others. Didn't have the time to read all the pages on the Monaghan game ( was getting tedious, McCanns dive was pathetic by the way ) , but if you still don't understand I won't explain any more in reply to your silly questions. Good luck
Actually you accuse of having issues with Tyrone GAA, you obviously haven't read my posts so until you do perhaps you should seek some counselling for your persecution complex.
Ok
Quote from: blanketattack on August 14, 2015, 11:21:04 AM
Looks like JOD isn't going to be fit to play. It's Tyrone's to lose now ;)
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Where'd you see this?
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 14, 2015, 12:24:18 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 14, 2015, 11:21:04 AM
Looks like JOD isn't going to be fit to play. It's Tyrone's to lose now ;)
#
Where'd you see this?
Fitzmaurice's interview. Confirmed it was a dislocation and isn't able for contact yet. Really points towards at best a sub spot
Quote from: blanketattack on August 14, 2015, 11:21:04 AM
Looks like JOD isn't going to be fit to play. It's Tyrone's to lose now ;)
They're at it again. Take it as a given that he will be playing and fully fit.
Next week we will be hearing of "trouble in the camp" or half the team being on the tear at some festival or another. A couple of" hamstring strains" thrown in as well for good measure.
Gas crowd altogether.
Tyrone might miss Tiernan more than Kerry miss JOD - Diving jokes aside
Sounds like a bit of yerra to me...
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1408150905-odonoghue-on-the-mend-but-geaney-out-for-kerry/
edit: a much more in-depth article here in the examiner definitely reduces his chances.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/mikey-geaney-out-james-odonoghue-losing-fitness-fight-for-kerry-348139.html?utm_source=link&utm_medium=click&utm_campaign=nextandprev
who cares about anything,as long as Kerry beat those horrible people.
Quote from: Canalman on August 14, 2015, 01:07:15 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 14, 2015, 11:21:04 AM
Looks like JOD isn't going to be fit to play. It's Tyrone's to lose now ;)
They're at it again. Take it as a given that he will be playing and fully fit.
Next week we will be hearing of "trouble in the camp" or half the team being on the tear at some festival or another. A couple of" hamstring strains" thrown in as well for good measure.
Gas crowd altogether.
He won't be fully fit until he has another operation and does 4+ months rehab...
If....he does play vs Tyrone and final if win semi.he'll be strapped/and or braced to limit this shoulder movement...I doubt he'll be lifting his right arm over his head.
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 14, 2015, 04:15:17 PM
who cares about anything,as long as Kerry beat those horrible people.
You still polluting the board? ::)
Quote from: ballinaman on August 14, 2015, 05:03:50 PM
Quote from: Canalman on August 14, 2015, 01:07:15 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 14, 2015, 11:21:04 AM
Looks like JOD isn't going to be fit to play. It's Tyrone's to lose now ;)
They're at it again. Take it as a given that he will be playing and fully fit.
Next week we will be hearing of "trouble in the camp" or half the team being on the tear at some festival or another. A couple of" hamstring strains" thrown in as well for good measure.
Gas crowd altogether.
He won't be fully fit until he has another operation and does 4+ months rehab...
If....he does play vs Tyrone and final if win semi.he'll be strapped/and or braced to limit this shoulder movement...I doubt he'll be lifting his right arm over his head.
It's mad what IC players put their bodies through sometimes. I know Kevin Higgins picked up a shoulder injury playing club in May and was starting in in championship come July despite the fact he apparently was barely able to lift his arm over his head. When a player is actually out for a game you usually know damn well it's something serious.
Quote from: red hander on August 14, 2015, 06:47:53 PM
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 14, 2015, 04:15:17 PM
who cares about anything,as long as Kerry beat those horrible people.
You still polluting the board? ::)
by telling the truth is it?disgrace to the UK
All distactions aside, I'm looking forward to this with great excitement. Tyrone have yet to face the calibre that will be layed out in front of them next weekend. Kerry have yet to face a system like Tyrone's. This is the first time Tyrone have met Kerry in the latter stages since 2008. The first time we have met in the championship sice we got our asses handed to us in Killarney. There is a certain familiarity that exists betwen Tyrone and Kerry that is softening by the decade. The colours look good beside each other, the football is good. My gut feeling is that Kerry will have too much but if I'm proved wrong, by God it will have been some year for Mickey Harte.
How many goals did Kerry score v Kildare after JOD went off injured?
I'd be surprised if O Donoghue plays in the semi final as that injury is potentially career threatening. If he does he runs the risk of long term damage and his movement will be greatly hampered. Kerry are lucky though that they have plenty of other forward options on the bench certainly enough to ease past Tyrone.
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 15, 2015, 09:46:28 AM
Quote from: red hander on August 14, 2015, 06:47:53 PM
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 14, 2015, 04:15:17 PM
who cares about anything,as long as Kerry beat those horrible people.
You still polluting the board? ::)
by telling the truth is it?disgrace to the UK
Nauseating sanctimony.
Quote from: Hound on August 16, 2015, 08:21:15 AM
How many goals did Kerry score v Kildare after JOD went off injured?
Did any of those goals mean anything? Game was meaningless at that stage. The question is would Kerry have drawn with Cork the first day without JOD? That is closer to answering how important he is to Kerry.
So any chance of some football talk breaking out here?
If JOD doesn't make it who will come in? Donaghy is a not a like for like player so Fitzmaurice would have to come up with a change in tactics. Will we see the gooch return to FF?
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 17, 2015, 01:30:23 PM
So any chance of some football talk breaking out here?
If JOD doesn't make it who will come in? Donaghy is a not a like for like player so Fitzmaurice would have to come up with a change in tactics. Will we see the gooch return to FF?
Only way Tyrone will give Kerry any sort of a game is by bringing the game into the gutter (which should be no problem for them as they do that in every game) but Kerry have far no many quality players for the hatchet team. Kerry to win pulling up.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 17, 2015, 01:30:23 PM
So any chance of some football talk breaking out here?
If JOD doesn't make it who will come in? Donaghy is a not a like for like player so Fitzmaurice would have to come up with a change in tactics. Will we see the gooch return to FF?
Only way Tyrone will give Kerry any sort of a game is by bringing the game into the gutter (which should be no problem for them as they do that in every game) but Kerry have far no many quality players for the hatchet team. Kerry to win pulling up.
Tyrone have a lot of quality players on their team. I hate this old rehashed thing that every tube in the media seems to spout at the minute about this Tyrone team not being a patch on the previous one. If you go back to 2003 the current Tyrone team were a bunch of fairly unknowns and the like of the O'Neills, McGuigans, Jordans, Gormleys etc were all finding their feet and had done very little of note in the championship by that stage. This current team is not as good as the previous team going on what we now know, i.e. how good it became in 2005/08 etc but who knows what they can achieve. A lot of this current squad have won All Irelands at minor and u-21 level therefore there is a lot of talent and big game experience there.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 17, 2015, 01:30:23 PM
So any chance of some football talk breaking out here?
If JOD doesn't make it who will come in? Donaghy is a not a like for like player so Fitzmaurice would have to come up with a change in tactics. Will we see the gooch return to FF?
Only way Tyrone will give Kerry any sort of a game is by bringing the game into the gutter (which should be no problem for them as they do that in every game) but Kerry have far no many quality players for the hatchet team. Kerry to win pulling up.
I love a poster to ashamed to name his county on his profile!
Talks cheap, it will be sorted one way or another come Sunday. won't be a step taken backwards
Quote from: redhandefender on August 17, 2015, 01:46:08 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 17, 2015, 01:30:23 PM
So any chance of some football talk breaking out here?
If JOD doesn't make it who will come in? Donaghy is a not a like for like player so Fitzmaurice would have to come up with a change in tactics. Will we see the gooch return to FF?
Only way Tyrone will give Kerry any sort of a game is by bringing the game into the gutter (which should be no problem for them as they do that in every game) but Kerry have far no many quality players for the hatchet team. Kerry to win pulling up.
I love a poster to ashamed to name his county on his profile!
Talks cheap, it will be sorted one way or another come Sunday. won't be a step taken backwards
What the hell are you suggesting Tyrone are going to do know?
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 17, 2015, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 17, 2015, 01:30:23 PM
So any chance of some football talk breaking out here?
If JOD doesn't make it who will come in? Donaghy is a not a like for like player so Fitzmaurice would have to come up with a change in tactics. Will we see the gooch return to FF?
Only way Tyrone will give Kerry any sort of a game is by bringing the game into the gutter (which should be no problem for them as they do that in every game) but Kerry have far no many quality players for the hatchet team. Kerry to win pulling up.
Tyrone have a lot of quality players on their team. I hate this old rehashed thing that every tube in the media seems to spout at the minute about this Tyrone team not being a patch on the previous one. If you go back to 2003 the current Tyrone team were a bunch of fairly unknowns and the like of the O'Neills, McGuigans, Jordans, Gormleys etc were all finding their feet and had done very little of note in the championship by that stage. This current team is not as good as the previous team going on what we now know, i.e. how good it became in 2005/08 etc but who knows what they can achieve. A lot of this current squad have won All Irelands at minor and u-21 level therefore there is a lot of talent and big game experience there.
Pure hatchet team between 2003 and 2008 as well except they managed to fool everyone into thinking they were decent footballers but under the surface the dark arts and cynical tactics were in full swing back then even. You mention the under 21 victory? Do you mean the one this year where an opponents head was nearly decapitated by a Tyrone elbow in the semi final? Or perhaps in the final where it was toned down to just kneeing opponents in the head?
Jeez, sometimes I wonder am I a bit sad chatting to lads and lassies around the country about football on an internet forum. However, to come on here with the sole focus of winding is pathetic. Especially at such a childish level, at least put a bit of effort into your salvos ya muppet.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 17, 2015, 01:59:00 PM
Jeez, sometimes I wonder am I a bit sad chatting to lads and lassies around the country about football on an internet forum. However, to come on here with the sole focus of winding is pathetic. Especially at such a childish level, at least put a bit of effort into your salvos ya muppet.
Muppet I think this lad is mixing me and you up? Maybe he wants to discuss something about Mayo with you.
As expected he didn't actually tackle the points I made, the truth obviously hurts in Tyrone, the heads are so far buried in the sand there all you can see are the ankles
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 01:53:51 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 17, 2015, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 17, 2015, 01:30:23 PM
So any chance of some football talk breaking out here?
If JOD doesn't make it who will come in? Donaghy is a not a like for like player so Fitzmaurice would have to come up with a change in tactics. Will we see the gooch return to FF?
Only way Tyrone will give Kerry any sort of a game is by bringing the game into the gutter (which should be no problem for them as they do that in every game) but Kerry have far no many quality players for the hatchet team. Kerry to win pulling up.
Tyrone have a lot of quality players on their team. I hate this old rehashed thing that every tube in the media seems to spout at the minute about this Tyrone team not being a patch on the previous one. If you go back to 2003 the current Tyrone team were a bunch of fairly unknowns and the like of the O'Neills, McGuigans, Jordans, Gormleys etc were all finding their feet and had done very little of note in the championship by that stage. This current team is not as good as the previous team going on what we now know, i.e. how good it became in 2005/08 etc but who knows what they can achieve. A lot of this current squad have won All Irelands at minor and u-21 level therefore there is a lot of talent and big game experience there.
Pure hatchet team between 2003 and 2008 as well except they managed to fool everyone into thinking they were decent footballers but under the surface the dark arts and cynical tactics were in full swing back then even. You mention the under 21 victory? Do you mean the one this year where an opponents head was nearly decapitated by a Tyrone elbow in the semi final? Or perhaps in the final where it was toned down to just kneeing opponents in the head?
The best team won the u-21 final and the only player specifically targeted for illegal physical attention was McShane.
I've said it before on this forum and I'll repeat it. Tyrone are no angels but the over the top abuse they get is because of the anti Northern sentiment amongst many in the 26. Tyrone and Armaghs success in the last decade and a bit didn't go down well, you could see this from the puke football reference and many accusing them of playing a rough game. Meath were one of the filthiest teams ever to take to a GAA field but they never received as much criticism as the Northern teams.
Dublin have had players biting lads, managers charging other teams officials in the back, starting huge rows, players doing drugs and others beating lads in pubs, all this in recent times but you don't hear much criticism of them. Kerry have played a cynical game for a number of years but any criticism? No chance. Why the hypocrisy? It comes from hatred of our Northern brothers and sisters, this was fueled by a media campaign that lasted decades. This is the truth, it wont be admitted to but it's hard to deny.
Maurice Deegan the man in the middle
Quote from: WT4E on August 17, 2015, 02:55:04 PM
Maurice Deegan the man in the middle
Hopefully he cops onto Tyrones cheating and diving from the beginning and punishes accordingly, there will be only one team trying to play football so it must be difficult for any referee to be in charge of a game like that.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 03:05:06 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 17, 2015, 02:55:04 PM
Maurice Deegan the man in the middle
Hopefully he cops onto Tyrones cheating and diving from the beginning and punishes accordingly, there will be only one team trying to play football so it must be difficult for any referee to be in charge of a game like that.
here here,hope kerry hammer them,Deegan is fore warned,he should be ready for the spitting,verbals etc,watch Harte on the line trying to look like an innocent gombeen,make you sick the lot of them
Quote from: AhNowRef on August 17, 2015, 03:23:41 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 01:53:51 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 17, 2015, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 17, 2015, 01:30:23 PM
So any chance of some football talk breaking out here?
If JOD doesn't make it who will come in? Donaghy is a not a like for like player so Fitzmaurice would have to come up with a change in tactics. Will we see the gooch return to FF?
Only way Tyrone will give Kerry any sort of a game is by bringing the game into the gutter (which should be no problem for them as they do that in every game) but Kerry have far no many quality players for the hatchet team. Kerry to win pulling up.
Tyrone have a lot of quality players on their team. I hate this old rehashed thing that every tube in the media seems to spout at the minute about this Tyrone team not being a patch on the previous one. If you go back to 2003 the current Tyrone team were a bunch of fairly unknowns and the like of the O'Neills, McGuigans, Jordans, Gormleys etc were all finding their feet and had done very little of note in the championship by that stage. This current team is not as good as the previous team going on what we now know, i.e. how good it became in 2005/08 etc but who knows what they can achieve. A lot of this current squad have won All Irelands at minor and u-21 level therefore there is a lot of talent and big game experience there.
Pure hatchet team between 2003 and 2008 as well except they managed to fool everyone into thinking they were decent footballers but under the surface the dark arts and cynical tactics were in full swing back then even. You mention the under 21 victory? Do you mean the one this year where an opponents head was nearly decapitated by a Tyrone elbow in the semi final? Or perhaps in the final where it was toned down to just kneeing opponents in the head?
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Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 03:05:06 PM
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Maurice Deegan the man in the middle
Hopefully he cops onto Tyrones cheating and diving from the beginning and punishes accordingly, there will be only one team trying to play football so it must be difficult for any referee to be in charge of a game like that.
here here,hope kerry hammer them,Deegan is fore warned,he should be ready for the spitting,verbals etc,watch Harte on the line trying to look like an innocent gombeen,make you sick the lot of them
There are a few posters on here who would really make you despair and worry for the state of the human race .. Good grief :-\
I really hope for both your sakes that you are both under ten !!
the truth is bitter.Collins a man with great foresight :)
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 01:53:51 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 17, 2015, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 17, 2015, 01:30:23 PM
So any chance of some football talk breaking out here?
If JOD doesn't make it who will come in? Donaghy is a not a like for like player so Fitzmaurice would have to come up with a change in tactics. Will we see the gooch return to FF?
Only way Tyrone will give Kerry any sort of a game is by bringing the game into the gutter (which should be no problem for them as they do that in every game) but Kerry have far no many quality players for the hatchet team. Kerry to win pulling up.
Tyrone have a lot of quality players on their team. I hate this old rehashed thing that every tube in the media seems to spout at the minute about this Tyrone team not being a patch on the previous one. If you go back to 2003 the current Tyrone team were a bunch of fairly unknowns and the like of the O'Neills, McGuigans, Jordans, Gormleys etc were all finding their feet and had done very little of note in the championship by that stage. This current team is not as good as the previous team going on what we now know, i.e. how good it became in 2005/08 etc but who knows what they can achieve. A lot of this current squad have won All Irelands at minor and u-21 level therefore there is a lot of talent and big game experience there.
Pure hatchet team between 2003 and 2008 as well except they managed to fool everyone into thinking they were decent footballers but under the surface the dark arts and cynical tactics were in full swing back then even. You mention the under 21 victory? Do you mean the one this year where an opponents head was nearly decapitated by a Tyrone elbow in the semi final? Or perhaps in the final where it was toned down to just kneeing opponents in the head?
As a Kerry man, that is utter nonsense. Hatchet men.. ::) ..A team with Philip Jordan, Cavanagh, McGuigan, Dooher, Canavan, O'Neill were nothing but hatchet men?
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on July 18, 2015, 04:33:52 PM
Tipp awful poor, Tyrone not much better, Sligo or Monaghan won't lose much sleep about having to play them.
When is the appeal being heard? Presumably it'll be today or tomorrow. Poor form from the GAA to have it dragged on this long
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 17, 2015, 04:31:02 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 01:53:51 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 17, 2015, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 17, 2015, 01:30:23 PM
So any chance of some football talk breaking out here?
If JOD doesn't make it who will come in? Donaghy is a not a like for like player so Fitzmaurice would have to come up with a change in tactics. Will we see the gooch return to FF?
Only way Tyrone will give Kerry any sort of a game is by bringing the game into the gutter (which should be no problem for them as they do that in every game) but Kerry have far no many quality players for the hatchet team. Kerry to win pulling up.
Tyrone have a lot of quality players on their team. I hate this old rehashed thing that every tube in the media seems to spout at the minute about this Tyrone team not being a patch on the previous one. If you go back to 2003 the current Tyrone team were a bunch of fairly unknowns and the like of the O'Neills, McGuigans, Jordans, Gormleys etc were all finding their feet and had done very little of note in the championship by that stage. This current team is not as good as the previous team going on what we now know, i.e. how good it became in 2005/08 etc but who knows what they can achieve. A lot of this current squad have won All Irelands at minor and u-21 level therefore there is a lot of talent and big game experience there.
Pure hatchet team between 2003 and 2008 as well except they managed to fool everyone into thinking they were decent footballers but under the surface the dark arts and cynical tactics were in full swing back then even. You mention the under 21 victory? Do you mean the one this year where an opponents head was nearly decapitated by a Tyrone elbow in the semi final? Or perhaps in the final where it was toned down to just kneeing opponents in the head?
As a Kerry man, that is utter nonsense. Hatchet men.. ::) ..A team with Philip Jordan, Cavanagh, McGuigan, Dooher, Canavan, O'Neill were nothing but hatchet men?
To be fair to him, I'm not sure Put up that flag would have been born during that era.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 17, 2015, 04:31:02 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 01:53:51 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 17, 2015, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 17, 2015, 01:30:23 PM
So any chance of some football talk breaking out here?
If JOD doesn't make it who will come in? Donaghy is a not a like for like player so Fitzmaurice would have to come up with a change in tactics. Will we see the gooch return to FF?
Only way Tyrone will give Kerry any sort of a game is by bringing the game into the gutter (which should be no problem for them as they do that in every game) but Kerry have far no many quality players for the hatchet team. Kerry to win pulling up.
Tyrone have a lot of quality players on their team. I hate this old rehashed thing that every tube in the media seems to spout at the minute about this Tyrone team not being a patch on the previous one. If you go back to 2003 the current Tyrone team were a bunch of fairly unknowns and the like of the O'Neills, McGuigans, Jordans, Gormleys etc were all finding their feet and had done very little of note in the championship by that stage. This current team is not as good as the previous team going on what we now know, i.e. how good it became in 2005/08 etc but who knows what they can achieve. A lot of this current squad have won All Irelands at minor and u-21 level therefore there is a lot of talent and big game experience there.
Pure hatchet team between 2003 and 2008 as well except they managed to fool everyone into thinking they were decent footballers but under the surface the dark arts and cynical tactics were in full swing back then even. You mention the under 21 victory? Do you mean the one this year where an opponents head was nearly decapitated by a Tyrone elbow in the semi final? Or perhaps in the final where it was toned down to just kneeing opponents in the head?
As a Kerry man, that is utter nonsense. Hatchet men.. ::) ..A team with Philip Jordan, Cavanagh, McGuigan, Dooher, Canavan, O'Neill were nothing but hatchet men?
I'd always have Enda McGinley as the most important man on that 08 team. Maybe not the most obviously talented footballer but the contribution around the park was immense, if he played Tyrone didn't lose, if he scored we won, that's a recorded fact of our championship 08.
Now that the hysteria surrounding Tyrone is begining to ebb at least untill the CCC are forced into a humiliating climb down. I am begining to get a feeling that Tyrone are in with a massive shout to create a major upset on Sunday. I can see why people think Tyrone are cannon fodder to a Kerry side who looked the real deal the last day. Very strong at midfield with slick high scoring forwards and very strong bench. On paper Kerry should make the final with room to spare. Games on paper are based on conventional man to man match ups but Mickey Hartes teams are anything but conventional when it comes to Croke Parks big days out.Harte has the habit of turning teams percived strengths into weaknesses as could be seen in the Twin tower threat of a previous Kerry incarnation. I expect that on Sunday Kerrys midfield will be targeted like never before and i expect the middle third will be flooded with breakball merchants like harte and bradley and fast all out runners being off loaded down the wings.
Kerrys lack of pace at the back will come in for some serious attention and i suspect O Mahony and O Sea may find they no longer have the legs for this level of football.
Tyrone look very secure at the back with a two sweeper system and will relish Kerry's williness to come on to them and push men up to support their front men which will really congest the play in Tyrones scoring zone. Providing Tyrone stay disciplined in the tackle this will work to their advantage. Kerry have the ability to score fron range but as has been proven before as the game goes on and legs tier this never proves to be match winning tactics.
Don't see Kerry finding the Tyrone net with any ease in this one and i think it will come down to a point scoring game and i think that it were Tyrone have a major advantage in that they can win games when goals are kept to the minimum.
Anyone out there with the wishfull thinking that this will be another Kerry turkey shoot will be advised not to tune in for this one as they may be sorely dissapointed.
Realistically kerry should win this game in the first 20 minutes. Tyrone people will dream for sure but last year's Ai champions are motoring nicely, won with a record score 2 weeks ago and may well get every decision from the ref. The job started in the studio and papers will be finished out on the field. I just hope we don't get too bad a hiding but we are 4th favourite for a reason. This is mayo s year.
Quote from: trileacman on August 17, 2015, 06:15:46 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 17, 2015, 04:31:02 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 01:53:51 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 17, 2015, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 17, 2015, 01:30:23 PM
So any chance of some football talk breaking out here?
If JOD doesn't make it who will come in? Donaghy is a not a like for like player so Fitzmaurice would have to come up with a change in tactics. Will we see the gooch return to FF?
Only way Tyrone will give Kerry any sort of a game is by bringing the game into the gutter (which should be no problem for them as they do that in every game) but Kerry have far no many quality players for the hatchet team. Kerry to win pulling up.
Tyrone have a lot of quality players on their team. I hate this old rehashed thing that every tube in the media seems to spout at the minute about this Tyrone team not being a patch on the previous one. If you go back to 2003 the current Tyrone team were a bunch of fairly unknowns and the like of the O'Neills, McGuigans, Jordans, Gormleys etc were all finding their feet and had done very little of note in the championship by that stage. This current team is not as good as the previous team going on what we now know, i.e. how good it became in 2005/08 etc but who knows what they can achieve. A lot of this current squad have won All Irelands at minor and u-21 level therefore there is a lot of talent and big game experience there.
Pure hatchet team between 2003 and 2008 as well except they managed to fool everyone into thinking they were decent footballers but under the surface the dark arts and cynical tactics were in full swing back then even. You mention the under 21 victory? Do you mean the one this year where an opponents head was nearly decapitated by a Tyrone elbow in the semi final? Or perhaps in the final where it was toned down to just kneeing opponents in the head?
As a Kerry man, that is utter nonsense. Hatchet men.. ::) ..A team with Philip Jordan, Cavanagh, McGuigan, Dooher, Canavan, O'Neill were nothing but hatchet men?
I'd always have Enda McGinley as the most important man on that 08 team. Maybe not the most obviously talented footballer but the contribution around the park was immense, if he played Tyrone didn't lose, if he scored we won, that's a recorded fact of our championship 08.
Total agree re Enda McGinley. He was the vital cog in that side. Class act. However Ryan Mellon was robbed for man of the match in the final in my opinion.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 18, 2015, 03:46:00 AM
Quote from: trileacman on August 17, 2015, 06:15:46 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 17, 2015, 04:31:02 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 01:53:51 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 17, 2015, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 17, 2015, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 17, 2015, 01:30:23 PM
So any chance of some football talk breaking out here?
If JOD doesn't make it who will come in? Donaghy is a not a like for like player so Fitzmaurice would have to come up with a change in tactics. Will we see the gooch return to FF?
Only way Tyrone will give Kerry any sort of a game is by bringing the game into the gutter (which should be no problem for them as they do that in every game) but Kerry have far no many quality players for the hatchet team. Kerry to win pulling up.
Tyrone have a lot of quality players on their team. I hate this old rehashed thing that every tube in the media seems to spout at the minute about this Tyrone team not being a patch on the previous one. If you go back to 2003 the current Tyrone team were a bunch of fairly unknowns and the like of the O'Neills, McGuigans, Jordans, Gormleys etc were all finding their feet and had done very little of note in the championship by that stage. This current team is not as good as the previous team going on what we now know, i.e. how good it became in 2005/08 etc but who knows what they can achieve. A lot of this current squad have won All Irelands at minor and u-21 level therefore there is a lot of talent and big game experience there.
Pure hatchet team between 2003 and 2008 as well except they managed to fool everyone into thinking they were decent footballers but under the surface the dark arts and cynical tactics were in full swing back then even. You mention the under 21 victory? Do you mean the one this year where an opponents head was nearly decapitated by a Tyrone elbow in the semi final? Or perhaps in the final where it was toned down to just kneeing opponents in the head?
As a Kerry man, that is utter nonsense. Hatchet men.. ::) ..A team with Philip Jordan, Cavanagh, McGuigan, Dooher, Canavan, O'Neill were nothing but hatchet men?
I'd always have Enda McGinley as the most important man on that 08 team. Maybe not the most obviously talented footballer but the contribution around the park was immense, if he played Tyrone didn't lose, if he scored we won, that's a recorded fact of our championship 08.
Total agree re Enda McGinley. He was the vital cog in that side. Class act. However Ryan Mellon was robbed for man of the match in the final in my opinion.
The most important player in 08 was Colm McCullagh lads. Very unlucky to get injured early for of the final
Im enjoying these Kerry ones tut tuting about McCannagate and the injustice of it all, making it look like they are on our side.
::)
Trying to blunt the sting of an inevitable reaction from the whole affair being exercised on their goodselves me thinks.
Do I remember Horan at something similar after Brollygate a couple of years back?
Heard on the radio that McCann's appeal is this evening, should be interesting
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 18, 2015, 09:07:09 AM
Heard on the radio that McCann's appeal is this evening, should be interesting straight forward
Some of the newbies on here spouting crap should go get a life. As an Armagh man much as I detested getting beaten by Tyrone teams in the noughties I could not help but admire their spirit togetherness and footballing ability. Yes like all teams they engaged in some questionable activities, but they were and are still a fine team and in Mickey Harte they have an astute manager up there with the Cody's of this world. I hope Sundays game is exciting to the end. I think Kerry have the bench to shade it but by no more than 2 or 3 points.
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 18, 2015, 12:37:48 PM
Some of the newbies on here spouting crap should go get a life. As an Armagh man much as I detested getting beaten by Tyrone teams in the noughties I could not help but admire their spirit togetherness and footballing ability. Yes like all teams they engaged in some questionable activities, but they were and are still a fine team and in Mickey Harte they have an astute manager up there with the Cody's of this world. I hope Sundays game is exciting to the end. I think Kerry have the bench to shade it but by no more than 2 or 3 points.
newbies or not,the carry on of them this year at all levels is an utter disgrace,If it was just their seniors,well you might argue that all county teams get up to a bit of messing,but minor,u 21,and senior,thats a problem,stop the poor us up in the north,ye are all against us shite.Tyrone county board need to man up and deal with these thugs.
Micky Harte may be astute,but in Codys league?stop codding yourself,Mick o Dwyer,Heffo,maybe but Harte,never,never never.
How can Sundays game be exciting???Tyrone are playing,
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 18, 2015, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 18, 2015, 12:37:48 PM
Some of the newbies on here spouting crap should go get a life. As an Armagh man much as I detested getting beaten by Tyrone teams in the noughties I could not help but admire their spirit togetherness and footballing ability. Yes like all teams they engaged in some questionable activities, but they were and are still a fine team and in Mickey Harte they have an astute manager up there with the Cody's of this world. I hope Sundays game is exciting to the end. I think Kerry have the bench to shade it but by no more than 2 or 3 points.
newbies or not,the carry on of them this year at all levels is an utter disgrace,If it was just their seniors,well you might argue that all county teams get up to a bit of messing,but minor,u 21,and senior,thats a problem,stop the poor us up in the north,ye are all against us shite.Tyrone county board need to man up and deal with these thugs.
Micky Harte may be astute,but in Codys league?stop codding yourself,Mick o Dwyer,Heffo,maybe but Harte,never,never never.
How can Sundays game be exciting???Tyrone are playing,
ud be better off posting in the Anglers Weekly Blog, fish here are just sick at biting at the same old stale dung I doubt tho
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 18, 2015, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 18, 2015, 12:37:48 PM
Some of the newbies on here spouting crap should go get a life. As an Armagh man much as I detested getting beaten by Tyrone teams in the noughties I could not help but admire their spirit togetherness and footballing ability. Yes like all teams they engaged in some questionable activities, but they were and are still a fine team and in Mickey Harte they have an astute manager up there with the Cody's of this world. I hope Sundays game is exciting to the end. I think Kerry have the bench to shade it but by no more than 2 or 3 points.
newbies or not,the carry on of them this year at all levels is an utter disgrace,If it was just their seniors,well you might argue that all county teams get up to a bit of messing,but minor,u 21,and senior,thats a problem,stop the poor us up in the north,ye are all against us shite.Tyrone county board need to man up and deal with these thugs.
Micky Harte may be astute,but in Codys league?stop codding yourself,Mick o Dwyer,Heffo,maybe but Harte,never,never never.
How can Sundays game be exciting???Tyrone are playing,
Ffs fella, I appreciate you still haven't got over the u21 final and it's tough for kids to overcome disappointment, but for the next few days can you just let the grown ups talk?
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 18, 2015, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 18, 2015, 12:37:48 PM
Some of the newbies on here spouting crap should go get a life. As an Armagh man much as I detested getting beaten by Tyrone teams in the noughties I could not help but admire their spirit togetherness and footballing ability. Yes like all teams they engaged in some questionable activities, but they were and are still a fine team and in Mickey Harte they have an astute manager up there with the Cody's of this world. I hope Sundays game is exciting to the end. I think Kerry have the bench to shade it but by no more than 2 or 3 points.
newbies or not,the carry on of them this year at all levels is an utter disgrace,If it was just their seniors,well you might argue that all county teams get up to a bit of messing,but minor,u 21,and senior,thats a problem,stop the poor us up in the north,ye are all against us shite.Tyrone county board need to man up and deal with these thugs.
Micky Harte may be astute,but in Codys league?stop codding yourself,Mick o Dwyer,Heffo,maybe but Harte,never,never never.
How can Sundays game be exciting???Tyrone are playing,
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Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 18, 2015, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 18, 2015, 12:37:48 PM
Some of the newbies on here spouting crap should go get a life. As an Armagh man much as I detested getting beaten by Tyrone teams in the noughties I could not help but admire their spirit togetherness and footballing ability. Yes like all teams they engaged in some questionable activities, but they were and are still a fine team and in Mickey Harte they have an astute manager up there with the Cody's of this world. I hope Sundays game is exciting to the end. I think Kerry have the bench to shade it but by no more than 2 or 3 points.
newbies or not,the carry on of them this year at all levels is an utter disgrace,If it was just their seniors,well you might argue that all county teams get up to a bit of messing,but minor,u 21,and senior,thats a problem,stop the poor us up in the north,ye are all against us shite.Tyrone county board need to man up and deal with these thugs.
Micky Harte may be astute,but in Codys league?stop codding yourself,Mick o Dwyer,Heffo,maybe but Harte,never,never never.
How can Sundays game be exciting???Tyrone are playing,
The reference to newbies was aimed at you and others who have rushed on to the Board to give your opinions. I think the original sentiment from ApplesIsApples still stands.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2015, 04:44:27 AM
Im enjoying these Kerry ones tut tuting about McCannagate and the injustice of it all, making it look like they are on our side.
::)
Trying to blunt the sting of an inevitable reaction from the whole affair being exercised on their goodselves me thinks.
Do I remember Horan at something similar after Brollygate a couple of years back?
Who else from Kerry is posting here? Genuinely don't know.
Anyway, we all know the Throne horde is gearing up for another war, nothing anyone says will change that. Same way that rrhf hilarious "béal bocht" posts, while funny, do little to change the fact that we'd take a 1pt win right now.
We don't like new posters round here .
you have to post for at least 3 years before you can express an opinion and five for a strong one
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 18, 2015, 03:09:13 PM
Who else from Kerry is posting here? Genuinely don't know.
hi
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 18, 2015, 03:09:13 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2015, 04:44:27 AM
Im enjoying these Kerry ones tut tuting about McCannagate and the injustice of it all, making it look like they are on our side.
::)
Trying to blunt the sting of an inevitable reaction from the whole affair being exercised on their goodselves me thinks.
Do I remember Horan at something similar after Brollygate a couple of years back?
Who else from Kerry is posting here? Genuinely don't know.
Anyway, we all know the Throne horde is gearing up for another war, nothing anyone says will change that. Same way that rrhf hilarious "béal bocht" posts, while funny, do little to change the fact that we'd take a 1pt win right now.
Don't worry, there's a couple hundred 'associate' Kerry ones knocking about here.
Quote from: Armamike on August 18, 2015, 04:23:32 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 18, 2015, 03:09:13 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2015, 04:44:27 AM
Im enjoying these Kerry ones tut tuting about McCannagate and the injustice of it all, making it look like they are on our side.
::)
Trying to blunt the sting of an inevitable reaction from the whole affair being exercised on their goodselves me thinks.
Do I remember Horan at something similar after Brollygate a couple of years back?
Who else from Kerry is posting here? Genuinely don't know.
Anyway, we all know the Throne horde is gearing up for another war, nothing anyone says will change that. Same way that rrhf hilarious "béal bocht" posts, while funny, do little to change the fact that we'd take a 1pt win right now.
Don't worry, there's a couple hundred 'associate' Kerry ones knocking about here.
Would it be anything to do with the particular opposition on Sunday do you think? :P
I mean, there was even minor hints of support from some Mayo lads..possibly due to wanting to hammer us in a final, but still!
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 18, 2015, 04:40:04 PM
Quote from: Keane on August 18, 2015, 04:13:13 PM
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Quote from: Keane on August 18, 2015, 03:46:08 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 18, 2015, 03:09:13 PM
Who else from Kerry is posting here? Genuinely don't know.
hi
You're a Dub now shur, so you don't count.. :P
damn
Can't believe you missed the easy comeback there lad..you've lost your touch!
I was being nice
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 18, 2015, 03:09:13 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2015, 04:44:27 AM
Im enjoying these Kerry ones tut tuting about McCannagate and the injustice of it all, making it look like they are on our side.
::)
Trying to blunt the sting of an inevitable reaction from the whole affair being exercised on their goodselves me thinks.
Do I remember Horan at something similar after Brollygate a couple of years back?
Who else from Kerry is posting here? Genuinely don't know.
Anyway, we all know the Throne horde is gearing up for another war, nothing anyone says will change that. Same way that rrhf hilarious "béal bocht" posts, while funny, do little to change the fact that we'd take a 1pt win right now.
Jaysus we'd take that, a 1pt defeat against Kerry? Could we get that arranged?
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2015, 04:49:43 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 18, 2015, 03:09:13 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2015, 04:44:27 AM
Im enjoying these Kerry ones tut tuting about McCannagate and the injustice of it all, making it look like they are on our side.
::)
Trying to blunt the sting of an inevitable reaction from the whole affair being exercised on their goodselves me thinks.
Do I remember Horan at something similar after Brollygate a couple of years back?
Who else from Kerry is posting here? Genuinely don't know.
Anyway, we all know the Throne horde is gearing up for another war, nothing anyone says will change that. Same way that rrhf hilarious "béal bocht" posts, while funny, do little to change the fact that we'd take a 1pt win right now.
Jaysus we'd take that, a 1pt defeat against Kerry? Could we get that arranged?
Well, as the Mayo lads are always saying, we have the refs on our side..so I'm sure Maurice Deegan can accomodate us!
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 18, 2015, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2015, 04:49:43 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 18, 2015, 03:09:13 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2015, 04:44:27 AM
Im enjoying these Kerry ones tut tuting about McCannagate and the injustice of it all, making it look like they are on our side.
::)
Trying to blunt the sting of an inevitable reaction from the whole affair being exercised on their goodselves me thinks.
Do I remember Horan at something similar after Brollygate a couple of years back?
Who else from Kerry is posting here? Genuinely don't know.
Anyway, we all know the Throne horde is gearing up for another war, nothing anyone says will change that. Same way that rrhf hilarious "béal bocht" posts, while funny, do little to change the fact that we'd take a 1pt win right now.
Jaysus we'd take that, a 1pt defeat against Kerry? Could we get that arranged?
Well, as the Mayo lads are always saying, we have the refs on our side..so I'm sure Maurice Deegan can accomodate us!
Great! Sorted!
Now I believe your county board gives out certificates of achievement based on how close you get to Kerry, isnt that right?
The 1pt defeat is the platinum level cert I think, so can we have it arranged to have the cert made out during the week sometime so that it can be presented after the match?
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2015, 05:04:22 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 18, 2015, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2015, 04:49:43 PM
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Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2015, 04:44:27 AM
Im enjoying these Kerry ones tut tuting about McCannagate and the injustice of it all, making it look like they are on our side.
::)
Trying to blunt the sting of an inevitable reaction from the whole affair being exercised on their goodselves me thinks.
Do I remember Horan at something similar after Brollygate a couple of years back?
Who else from Kerry is posting here? Genuinely don't know.
Anyway, we all know the Throne horde is gearing up for another war, nothing anyone says will change that. Same way that rrhf hilarious "béal bocht" posts, while funny, do little to change the fact that we'd take a 1pt win right now.
Jaysus we'd take that, a 1pt defeat against Kerry? Could we get that arranged?
Well, as the Mayo lads are always saying, we have the refs on our side..so I'm sure Maurice Deegan can accomodate us!
Great! Sorted!
Now I believe your county board gives out certificates of achievement based on how close you get to Kerry, isnt that right?
The 1pt defeat is the platinum level cert I think, so can we have it arranged to have the cert made out during the week sometime so that it can be presented after the match?
I wouldn't trust them Joe, they'd probably beat us by 2 just to teach us a lesson. :)
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 18, 2015, 05:05:16 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2015, 05:04:22 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 18, 2015, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2015, 04:49:43 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 18, 2015, 03:09:13 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2015, 04:44:27 AM
Im enjoying these Kerry ones tut tuting about McCannagate and the injustice of it all, making it look like they are on our side.
::)
Trying to blunt the sting of an inevitable reaction from the whole affair being exercised on their goodselves me thinks.
Do I remember Horan at something similar after Brollygate a couple of years back?
Who else from Kerry is posting here? Genuinely don't know.
Anyway, we all know the Throne horde is gearing up for another war, nothing anyone says will change that. Same way that rrhf hilarious "béal bocht" posts, while funny, do little to change the fact that we'd take a 1pt win right now.
Jaysus we'd take that, a 1pt defeat against Kerry? Could we get that arranged?
Well, as the Mayo lads are always saying, we have the refs on our side..so I'm sure Maurice Deegan can accomodate us!
Great! Sorted!
Now I believe your county board gives out certificates of achievement based on how close you get to Kerry, isnt that right?
The 1pt defeat is the platinum level cert I think, so can we have it arranged to have the cert made out during the week sometime so that it can be presented after the match?
I wouldn't trust them Joe, they'd probably beat us by 2 just to teach us a lesson. :)
But arent they the epitome of honesty integrity and purity?
Sure if they done that, it would be like the Blessed Virgin herself coming down and headed out to the pub in high heels and a mini skirt
Ah stop, yis have lost it now!
Tyrone +4 is 21/20 with one prominent bookmaker, which looks like a very tempting bet to me. Also, on that vein, Derry minors huge underdogs for some reason with bookies.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 18, 2015, 05:22:09 PM
Ah stop, yis have lost it now!
Tyrone +4 is 21/20 with one prominent bookmaker, which looks like a very tempting bet to me. Also, on that vein, Derry minors huge underdogs for some reason with bookies.
'Yis'!?
As the thread title says, I think Tyrone will be little more than fodder for Kerry in this match. Tyrone have had an easy passage to the semi final and this will be a massive step up for them. They will prove out of their depth in this match and Kerry simply have far too much firepower for them. Kerry 2-16 Tyrone 0-12
Haha how can you write off Tyrone's chances based on their route to the game, while quietly ignoring that Kerry have had a penalty kick to get here... and even at that should have been beaten by Cork?
While I do think Kerry will win, this will be nothing like the Kildare match and I'd be genuinely surprised if either side tops 12 scores. Kerry will come ready for war and will do whatever is necessary. Last year's AI final showed us that when it comes to any type of football, Kerry are just that bit better, and that includes when it comes to puke football. They'll know that stopping Tyrone's running game will require cynical early fouls, and no one-on-ones, and they'll play accordingly.
The right referee - for both sides - won't be afraid to brandish the black card like confetti.
You have to agree Kerry are a tremendous team. It should be a straightforward victory on Sunday.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2015, 08:43:04 PM
Haha how can you write off Tyrone's chances based on their route to the game, while quietly ignoring that Kerry have had a penalty kick to get here... and even at that should have been beaten by Cork?
While I do think Kerry will win, this will be nothing like the Kildare match and I'd be genuinely surprised if either side tops 12 scores. Kerry will come ready for war and will do whatever is necessary. Last year's AI final showed us that when it comes to any type of football, Kerry are just that bit better, and that includes when it comes to puke football. They'll know that stopping Tyrone's running game will require cynical early fouls, and no one-on-ones, and they'll play accordingly.
The right referee - for both sides - won't be afraid to brandish the black card like confetti.
Have you forgotten that Kerry are AI champions and are the team everyone else has to beat? They have proven they are better than everyone else bar possibly Dublin and that's only because they didn't play them en route to winning last years AI title. Tyrone are well short of AI winning standard and I think Sunday's match will prove it. They had an easy qualifier route and then drew the easiest provincial winner in the QF. If Kerry don't score more than 12 times on Sunday given their firepower up front I'd be absolutely amazed.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 18, 2015, 09:21:22 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 18, 2015, 08:43:04 PM
Haha how can you write off Tyrone's chances based on their route to the game, while quietly ignoring that Kerry have had a penalty kick to get here... and even at that should have been beaten by Cork?
While I do think Kerry will win, this will be nothing like the Kildare match and I'd be genuinely surprised if either side tops 12 scores. Kerry will come ready for war and will do whatever is necessary. Last year's AI final showed us that when it comes to any type of football, Kerry are just that bit better, and that includes when it comes to puke football. They'll know that stopping Tyrone's running game will require cynical early fouls, and no one-on-ones, and they'll play accordingly.
The right referee - for both sides - won't be afraid to brandish the black card like confetti.
Have you forgotten that Kerry are AI champions and are the team everyone else has to beat? They have proven they are better than everyone else bar possibly Dublin and that's only because they didn't play them en route to winning last years AI title. Tyrone are well short of AI winning standard and I think Sunday's match will prove it. They had an easy qualifier route and then drew the easiest provincial winner in the QF. If Kerry don't score more than 12 times on Sunday given their firepower up front I'd be absolutely amazed.
Reminds me of 2005 and 2008. ;D
Kerry may well win but if having an easier route to the semi final had a negative impact on who won, then Kerry would have many less all Ireland's to their name. But results against other teams don't always influence future results, so your analysis doesn't really hold much water for me. But if you are looking for a championship form line then Tipperary are the only true gauge. Kerry beat them by 6, Tyrone beat them by 12. How does this fit into your analysis?
Also, teams very rarely retain the Sam Maguire (one team has managed this in the past 25 years) so being best last year doesn't necessarily mean you are the best the following year.
My hope is that Tyrone can put this Kerry team under pressure like no other team has this year. Run the legs off an aging full back line (they shipped 6 goals in 3 games in Munster) and try to out work them all over the pitch. Hopefully, Mickey will have a plan for Kerry's danger men - he usually does. This may not be enough to pull it off but I'm happy enough going into the game at least thinking that we have a chance and I'm also happy that we are being written off.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 18, 2015, 01:50:26 PM
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Quote from: Applesisapples on August 18, 2015, 12:37:48 PM
Some of the newbies on here spouting crap should go get a life. As an Armagh man much as I detested getting beaten by Tyrone teams in the noughties I could not help but admire their spirit togetherness and footballing ability. Yes like all teams they engaged in some questionable activities, but they were and are still a fine team and in Mickey Harte they have an astute manager up there with the Cody's of this world. I hope Sundays game is exciting to the end. I think Kerry have the bench to shade it but by no more than 2 or 3 points.
newbies or not,the carry on of them this year at all levels is an utter disgrace,If it was just their seniors,well you might argue that all county teams get up to a bit of messing,but minor,u 21,and senior,thats a problem,stop the poor us up in the north,ye are all against us shite.Tyrone county board need to man up and deal with these thugs.
Micky Harte may be astute,but in Codys league?stop codding yourself,Mick o Dwyer,Heffo,maybe but Harte,never,never never.
How can Sundays game be exciting???Tyrone are playing,
Ffs fella, I appreciate you still haven't got over the u21 final and it's tough for kids to overcome disappointment, but for the next few days can you just let the grown ups talk?
Ah iam well over that Lad,sur that was months ago,Cant help it if you uk chappies cant handle been the most hated vile county in the republic.you patronising Lamp!
BennyHarp, my worry is we've been abject at scoring goals recently. It loooked like there was a clear 'take your points' strategy against Sligo. Other top teams would have grabbed a bagful of goals that day.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 18, 2015, 10:08:13 PM
BennyHarp, my worry is we've been abject at scoring goals recently. It loooked like there was a clear 'take your points' strategy against Sligo. Other top teams would have grabbed a bagful of goals that day.
Agreed. It's this team's major problem.
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 18, 2015, 10:06:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 18, 2015, 01:50:26 PM
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 18, 2015, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 18, 2015, 12:37:48 PM
Some of the newbies on here spouting crap should go get a life. As an Armagh man much as I detested getting beaten by Tyrone teams in the noughties I could not help but admire their spirit togetherness and footballing ability. Yes like all teams they engaged in some questionable activities, but they were and are still a fine team and in Mickey Harte they have an astute manager up there with the Cody's of this world. I hope Sundays game is exciting to the end. I think Kerry have the bench to shade it but by no more than 2 or 3 points.
newbies or not,the carry on of them this year at all levels is an utter disgrace,If it was just their seniors,well you might argue that all county teams get up to a bit of messing,but minor,u 21,and senior,thats a problem,stop the poor us up in the north,ye are all against us shite.Tyrone county board need to man up and deal with these thugs.
Micky Harte may be astute,but in Codys league?stop codding yourself,Mick o Dwyer,Heffo,maybe but Harte,never,never never.
How can Sundays game be exciting???Tyrone are playing,
Ffs fella, I appreciate you still haven't got over the u21 final and it's tough for kids to overcome disappointment, but for the next few days can you just let the grown ups talk?
Ah iam well over that Lad,sur that was months ago,Cant help it if you uk chappies cant handle been the most hated vile county in the republic.you patronising Lamp!
Just to clarify, are we in the UK or the in the Republic?
for sure its the uk,you do change your money before a night out in the pale? ;)
Quote from: trileacman on August 18, 2015, 10:09:34 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 18, 2015, 10:08:13 PM
BennyHarp, my worry is we've been abject at scoring goals recently. It loooked like there was a clear 'take your points' strategy against Sligo. Other top teams would have grabbed a bagful of goals that day.
Agreed. It's this team's major problem.
Yeah, scoring goals is the teams problems!!! Says a lot about Tyrone folk when that is considered the problem in a team that is rife at cheating, diving, sledging, cynical tactics and all the dark arts that results in every game ye are involved in getting brought down into the gutter, wont see any of that from the Kerry boys who are fabulous footballers who I can't wait to see hammer the dirtiest team in the competition for the last decade or so
Quote from: trileacman on August 18, 2015, 10:09:34 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 18, 2015, 10:08:13 PM
BennyHarp, my worry is we've been abject at scoring goals recently. It loooked like there was a clear 'take your points' strategy against Sligo. Other top teams would have grabbed a bagful of goals that day.
Agreed. It's this team's major problem.
It is a worry, but if we get anywhere near 17 or 18 points then I'd be hopeful enough of winning the game. The key is to keep the scoreboard ticking over. Getting points consistently after Monaghan scored was what broke any head of steam they tried to muster. Had we tried to engineer goals instead of popping the breakaway points, we were risking coming away scoreless and giving Monaghan a chance to get a few scores in a row. I thought that was excellent game management. Throughout the qualifiers we have been controlling the game by kicking points every 3 or 4 mins and keeping teams at arms length, we haven't really needed the goal. However, I'd still be confident enough that if McCurry, McAliskey, Donnelly, Cavanagh or Petey Harte had the opportunity they are more than capable of hitting the net. Kerry have conceded a lot of goals in their 3 Munster games, we may just get those chances on Sunday and this time we need to take them.
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 18, 2015, 10:12:58 PM
for sure its the uk,you do change your money before a night out in the pale? ;)
???
So we're not the most hated county in the Republic then?
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 18, 2015, 10:12:58 PM
for sure its the uk,you do change your money before a night out in the pale? ;)
How can you be bothered peddling out this nonsense. You're neither funny nor managing to wind people up. I bet your sitting on your computer (whenever your parents let you) laughing to yourself whenever you post one of your unfunny comments thinking everyone from Tyrone will be going mad, when in reality everyone just feels sorry for you. Try making a sensible contribution, go on, have a go and prove your over 12 years old.
Are there moderators here or what's the story? Have asked this before I'm sure..cos if shite like the above is ok, then we might aswell forget about it.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 18, 2015, 10:37:08 PM
Are there moderators here or what's the story? Have asked this before I'm sure..cos if shite like the above is ok, then we might aswell forget about it.
Exactly, I have been checking out the Kerry board all week, some good football chat there sans infants.
ah lads sur we are only having the craic,lighten up.hope sunday will be a good open game of football,and may the best football team win.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2015, 10:22:25 PM
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 18, 2015, 10:12:58 PM
for sure its the uk,you do change your money before a night out in the pale? ;)
???
So we're not the most hated county in the Republic then?
Joe everybody in the republic hates ye.iam not trying to upset you here,but its true lad.just a fact,can you not see why?seriously
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 18, 2015, 11:13:00 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 18, 2015, 10:22:25 PM
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 18, 2015, 10:12:58 PM
for sure its the uk,you do change your money before a night out in the pale? ;)
???
So we're not the most hated county in the Republic then?
Joe everybody in the republic hates ye.iam not trying to upset you here,but its true lad.just a fact,can you not see why?seriously
So we're not the most hated county in the Republic then?
ah joe. :(stop the messing ye boy ya.we are trying to discuss the game here.
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 18, 2015, 11:31:59 PM
ah joe. :(stop the messing ye boy ya.we are trying to discuss the game here.
Just wondering which it is....????
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 18, 2015, 11:05:46 PM
ah lads sur we are only having the craic,lighten up.hope sunday will be a good open game of football,and may the best football team win.
If that's your idea of "craic" then you might just stick to the hurling threads. You've contributed nothing but nonsense in your few posts here so far.
Ok since the thread police are out in force I thought I better buck up and put in a serious preview ;)
I agree will Skillfull Bill about hammering the hammer (to borrow a Kerry phrase) if we are to win this. And despite a team with seriously talented forwards, its the midfield that is Kerry's strongest area. They absolutely decimated a decent Kildare midfield and have probably the two best midfielders in the country.
With that said tho Alan O'Connor had a savage game in the Munster final, and the desire of the Kildare team last day out, may have been questionable. We also have two powerful midfielders, but I am not sure they are the sort of possession winners that the Kerry pair are.
So what are we to do? Well first off we need to be smart with the kickouts. Long kickouts are a danger and if they force us to go long we need to be prepared to savage them if they win primary possession, kill for the breaks and to vary their range and direction.
The short kickouts are dangerous of course, but we have the players who can carry the ball out of defence. And also how much pressure will the Kerry forwards put on if we go for that option? Are Donaghy and Walsh are the only two that would be renowed as pressurising style of forwards? Will the rest be up for it? We should find that out early on. Hard to see Fitzmaurice letting them away with being slack in this department tho. Oh and Morgan needs to wear a hat... no repeats of Durkan's AIF fiasco.
On a side note since Cluxton brought the kickouts to a new level, kickouts are becoming as a refined an area as lineouts in rugby
Giving away frees within range is another worry as Sheehan's range is huge and accurate, we must be very disciplined in this area. But again sometimes he has off days with the longer ones, so increasing the tackling intensity gradually as we move from the scoring area would be a good way to gauge where he is at and also a good way of gauging what Deegan is gonna blow.
I'm not overly concerned with Kerry's forwards individually, as someone like JOD can be nullified in the sweeper system. The worry is as a unit, they have a lot of options to go in high, go in low, Gooch with the pinpoint passes, the movement, the unselfishness of Kerry forwards and long range point scoring all things that collectively could unlock our defensive system. It will be a real test of the system and our concentration, we need every player to be aware of all of Kerry's options, be able to recognise them and know what to do when they have been enacted.
Our forward area should be interesting and despite some fellas talking about the old legs of the Kerry FB line they are still quality, good heads, tho our FFs do need to keep moving and making runs to test their fitness. Enright has really came into his own this year and I think he actually kept Hurley scoreless in the 2 Cork games. He is extremely physical and will likely be their main man marker. Could Kerry be susceptible to balls over the top if we play far up the field as their defenders are always in front? Maybe... although I doubt we would risk that too many with our possession game. Tho I think our running and offload game is a good match for their defence, thats the way Cork's goals came. In saying that it would be full hardy to think that Fitzmaurice wont have his homework done on this, it kept working against Monaghan so we kept doin it, we need to be adpatbale and have several attacking plans to keep them guessin as we are coming forward.
As a whole I think we have it in us to win this match, its a massive massive test, way bigger than Monaghan. Monaghan have a limited range of options and styles so they were much easier to prepare for, while Kerry have many options and these all have to prepared for. The level of difficulty is steadily increasing this year and it is has been a useful way to bring players on, boost morale and team spirit, and getting into the winning habit. But most importantly I believe it means we concentrate fully on the game in hand and wont be looking at the future potential games.
Don't know how McCanngate will affect the match if at all apart from the player in question, and Mr Deegan, who I dont believe will be. Its a massive test of his character the whole thing and here's hoping that he gets the chance to play and prove his mental strength.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 18, 2015, 10:39:55 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 18, 2015, 10:37:08 PM
Are there moderators here or what's the story? Have asked this before I'm sure..cos if shite like the above is ok, then we might aswell forget about it.
Exactly, I have been checking out the Kerry board all week, some good football chat there sans infants.
Where's the Kerry board?
Any word on McCann's appeal?
Good article by Darragh in today's times :
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-criticising-tyrone-makes-them-more-dangerous-1.2321198
I think Tyrone should put a man-marker on Bryan Sheehan. its amazing how many scores come from him playing in good quality ball as well as high lofted ball on top of Star. He never gets the same praise as the other forwards and is often given loads of room from midfield to the 45. Plus, if McNabb or someone of that ilk could unsettle him and take his mind off the game, maybe he would wilt a little and miss some frees.
Quote from: Tommo2 on August 19, 2015, 08:59:47 AM
I think Tyrone should put a man-marker on Bryan Sheehan. its amazing how many scores come from him playing in good quality ball as well as high lofted ball on top of Star. He never gets the same praise as the other forwards and is often given loads of room from midfield to the 45. Plus, if McNabb or someone of that ilk could unsettle him and take his mind off the game, maybe he would wilt a little and miss some frees.
Can't believe you are suggesting more 'Dark Arts' after the media furore surrounding Tyrone over the last few weeks ;D
Quote from: Estimator on August 19, 2015, 10:14:49 AM
Quote from: Tommo2 on August 19, 2015, 08:59:47 AM
I think Tyrone should put a man-marker on Bryan Sheehan. its amazing how many scores come from him playing in good quality ball as well as high lofted ball on top of Star. He never gets the same praise as the other forwards and is often given loads of room from midfield to the 45. Plus, if McNabb or someone of that ilk could unsettle him and take his mind off the game, maybe he would wilt a little and miss some frees.
Can't believe you are suggesting more 'Dark Arts' after the media furore surrounding Tyrone over the last few weeks ;D
No dark arts suggested!! Just a man-marking job. He always seems to have the freedom of Croke Park. I would be interested to see how he performs with someone marking him for 70 mins. I think it would be a good tactic to curb his influence, which in turn would limit good quality ball going into the full forward line.
Don't try and shit-stir.
That suggestion shows what the Tyrone people are all about. Still advocating cheating after the McCann hair affair
If the mods can't deal with the paddyslabber and the other WUM's who have come on here recently then it is probably best just to ignore their pathetic contributions...computerised sledging!
thats it go crying you knob,we are entitled to post here just like you,if you dont like hearing the truth about yere brand of football,then tough.of course you can ignore us,no one stopping you.
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 19, 2015, 10:50:40 AM
thats it go crying you knob,we are entitled to post here just like you,if you dont like hearing the truth about yere brand of football,then tough.of course you can ignore us,no one stopping you.
It makes me laugh how hypocritical you lads are. You come on here with your abusive language and aggressive tone to complain about the aggressive and abusive brand of football played by Tyrone. You lads are sat in the comfort of your own bedroom and can't control your aggression yet you criticise lads displaying aggression in the midst of a winner takes all, white hot championship battle. Like I said before, let the adults talk about football, stick to your play station!
Most of the hype so far for the kerry team comes down to their big win over Kildare. I'm just not convinced that we should take that much from that game. Sundays game will be a huge step up in terms of intensity and the quality of the opposition. Kerry were able to dominate midfield, tyrone will flood that sector with players and fight for every ball. I see the game playing out very much like last year's aif, abiet with a little more scoring threat from both sides. For me kerry''s forwards offer that little bit more particularly when it comes to scoring goals which tend to win these type of games. Saying that I'm not convinced with their back line and I feel Tyrone 's nippy forwards could potentially exploit their lack of pace. Really looking forward to it.
boys this isn't facebook, stop the insults they're pointless and just anoyin, just discuss football without the "you's are tramps" attitude please, just turnin into a nonsense.
I honestly do see McCann playin this weekend, and for Tyrone's sake he will have to, there's no doubting he has just about the worst kickin feet in the country but as a ball carrier and counter attacking at speed - he is absolutely vital to the team. Reminds me very much of Dublin's Jack McCaffery
Benny I like you, have no problem what so ever with aggression,in fact tipp hurlers could of done with a bit of it last sunday,I have however a problem with thugs playing our games,Iam just calling it as I see it,same as the other posters who have a problem with Tyrone,sorry if I come across as aggressive,but too sledge a chap over the death of his father,and to spit at people,having numbers of girlfriends insulting mothers etc,cant be excectable,can it?sure talk about the match,but dont ignore the elephant in the room.if thats not ok here,well then I will go back to the hurling thread,fyi.tyrone are even getting a mention on the hurling threads,so done bash us newbies,look aroud the site.
Quote from: Tommo2 on August 19, 2015, 10:28:08 AM
Quote from: Estimator on August 19, 2015, 10:14:49 AM
Quote from: Tommo2 on August 19, 2015, 08:59:47 AM
I think Tyrone should put a man-marker on Bryan Sheehan. its amazing how many scores come from him playing in good quality ball as well as high lofted ball on top of Star. He never gets the same praise as the other forwards and is often given loads of room from midfield to the 45. Plus, if McNabb or someone of that ilk could unsettle him and take his mind off the game, maybe he would wilt a little and miss some frees.
Can't believe you are suggesting more 'Dark Arts' after the media furore surrounding Tyrone over the last few weeks ;D
No dark arts suggested!! Just a man-marking job. He always seems to have the freedom of Croke Park. I would be interested to see how he performs with someone marking him for 70 mins. I think it would be a good tactic to curb his influence, which in turn would limit good quality ball going into the full forward line.
Don't try and shit-stir.
I thought the inverted commas smiley face would be a handy visual to show that I was joking, but it seems that some of you Tyrone lads have really lost your sense of humour about any comments made regarding Tyrone and their infamous 'Dark Side'
It is one thing expressing a dislike for Tyrone's style of football but references to Nordies(or freestaters for that matter) Brits, UK championships etc is nothing short of racist sectarian sledging and takes away from any serious contribution posters make. Of course calling someone a knob is also a mature and reasoned argument. For the record I am not from Tyrone and I don't condone violence on the GAA field. But Tyrone aren't the only perpetrators of diving or violence and as a keen follower of hurling I can say some of the belts delivered in this years championship make the handbags in football look tame by comparison.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 19, 2015, 05:14:10 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 18, 2015, 10:39:55 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 18, 2015, 10:37:08 PM
Are there moderators here or what's the story? Have asked this before I'm sure..cos if shite like the above is ok, then we might aswell forget about it.
Exactly, I have been checking out the Kerry board all week, some good football chat there sans infants.
Where's the Kerry board?
http://kerrygaa.proboards.com/thread/5816/kerry-tyrone?page=10
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 19, 2015, 11:14:13 AM
It is one thing expressing a dislike for Tyrone's style of football but references to Nordies(or freestaters for that matter) Brits, UK championships etc is nothing short of racist sectarian sledging and takes away from any serious contribution posters make. Of course calling someone a knob is also a mature and reasoned argument. For the record I am not from Tyrone and I don't condone violence on the GAA field. But Tyrone aren't the only perpetrators of diving or violence and as a keen follower of hurling I can say some of the belts delivered in this years championship make the handbags in football look tame by comparison.
well stop looking for the mods to mind you everytime you read something you dont like,and if you want to discuss hurling then go over to that thread,I was actually told to go over there a while ago. :D,
I'm guna gather a squad of Derrytresk boys and just go buck daft on Sunday. Give the papers something to write about
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 19, 2015, 11:33:54 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 19, 2015, 11:14:13 AM
It is one thing expressing a dislike for Tyrone's style of football but references to Nordies(or freestaters for that matter) Brits, UK championships etc is nothing short of racist sectarian sledging and takes away from any serious contribution posters make. Of course calling someone a knob is also a mature and reasoned argument. For the record I am not from Tyrone and I don't condone violence on the GAA field. But Tyrone aren't the only perpetrators of diving or violence and as a keen follower of hurling I can say some of the belts delivered in this years championship make the handbags in football look tame by comparison.
well stop looking for the mods to mind you everytime you read something you dont like,and if you want to discuss hurling then go over to that thread,I was actually told to go over there a while ago. :D,
Giving an opinion is spot on, why wouldn't it be? Blatantly trying wind people up isn't, it's sad and childish. However, that's easy to ignore, it's your time you're wasting. Referring to the Gaels on here from a certain part of Ulster as being from the UK and stuff like that is never acceptable and should be an instantly bannable offence imo.
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 19, 2015, 11:33:54 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 19, 2015, 11:14:13 AM
It is one thing expressing a dislike for Tyrone's style of football but references to Nordies(or freestaters for that matter) Brits, UK championships etc is nothing short of racist sectarian sledging and takes away from any serious contribution posters make. Of course calling someone a knob is also a mature and reasoned argument. For the record I am not from Tyrone and I don't condone violence on the GAA field. But Tyrone aren't the only perpetrators of diving or violence and as a keen follower of hurling I can say some of the belts delivered in this years championship make the handbags in football look tame by comparison.
well stop looking for the mods to mind you everytime you read something you dont like,and if you want to discuss hurling then go over to that thread,I was actually told to go over there a while ago. :D,
Tedious....
Quote from: Ballaghman on August 19, 2015, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 19, 2015, 11:33:54 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 19, 2015, 11:14:13 AM
It is one thing expressing a dislike for Tyrone's style of football but references to Nordies(or freestaters for that matter) Brits, UK championships etc is nothing short of racist sectarian sledging and takes away from any serious contribution posters make. Of course calling someone a knob is also a mature and reasoned argument. For the record I am not from Tyrone and I don't condone violence on the GAA field. But Tyrone aren't the only perpetrators of diving or violence and as a keen follower of hurling I can say some of the belts delivered in this years championship make the handbags in football look tame by comparison.
well stop looking for the mods to mind you everytime you read something you dont like,and if you want to discuss hurling then go over to that thread,I was actually told to go over there a while ago. :D,
Giving an opinion is spot on, why wouldn't it be? Blatantly trying wind people up isn't, it's sad and childish. However, that's easy to ignore, it's your time you're wasting. Referring to the Gaels on here from a certain part of Ulster as being from the UK and stuff like that is never acceptable and should be an instantly bannable offence imo.
iam not trying to wind anybody up or offend anyone for that matter,I have a right to hate Tyrone and all they stand for.if they are happy to get results as they do,thats their affair,dosent mean people have to like it.There are more than me on here slating them,would love it even one tyrone person would come and and condem their antics.
paddy stop the crap or bugger off.
Lads, I don't be on every thread all the time, so please do report any posts you feel violate the rules of the board. Paddy, some of your ones are gone beyond slagging and are into the realm of posting to provoke a reaction, or personal abuse. Consider this a warning.
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 19, 2015, 02:17:27 PM
Quote from: Ballaghman on August 19, 2015, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 19, 2015, 11:33:54 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 19, 2015, 11:14:13 AM
It is one thing expressing a dislike for Tyrone's style of football but references to Nordies(or freestaters for that matter) Brits, UK championships etc is nothing short of racist sectarian sledging and takes away from any serious contribution posters make. Of course calling someone a knob is also a mature and reasoned argument. For the record I am not from Tyrone and I don't condone violence on the GAA field. But Tyrone aren't the only perpetrators of diving or violence and as a keen follower of hurling I can say some of the belts delivered in this years championship make the handbags in football look tame by comparison.
well stop looking for the mods to mind you everytime you read something you dont like,and if you want to discuss hurling then go over to that thread,I was actually told to go over there a while ago. :D,
Giving an opinion is spot on, why wouldn't it be? Blatantly trying wind people up isn't, it's sad and childish. However, that's easy to ignore, it's your time you're wasting. Referring to the Gaels on here from a certain part of Ulster as being from the UK and stuff like that is never acceptable and should be an instantly bannable offence imo.
iam not trying to wind anybody up or offend anyone for that matter,I have a right to hate Tyrone and all they stand for.if they are happy to get results as they do,thats their affair,dosent mean people have to like it.There are more than me on here slating them,would love it even one tyrone person would come and and condem their antics.
I'm a Tyrone fanatic and I think the actions of Tiernan McCann were disgraceful. I openly condemn them. There was no need, the game was won, absolutely nothing was gained from this. However the way he has been hung out to dry is equally scandalous. I could understand the media reaction if he did this in the 1st minute of the game where then his cheating won Tyrone the game but this was not the case. Look at the incident, the lad was foolish, id like to think he regrets it but the witch hunt on sites such as this and responsible media such as RTE and written press the game was over. McCann has since had to delete his twitter account due to the keyboard warriors, this is a young lad, not a professional everyone needs to realise he is a volunteer that made a bad judgement. If his ban is overturned I hope he is mentally capable of performing against Kerry and I'd urge all Tyrone fans to support him through this tough time. Tir Eoghain Abu
Lads I'm thinking Kerry might be walking into a buzzsaw here. How did the appeal go last night I wonder? Apologies if it has been mentioned here. Tyrone have been scoring heavily enough, although probably not enough goals. They may need to score 1 or 2 to beat Kerry, but I can see them certainly causing the Kingdom a lot of bother. I'm not convinced by Kerry when teams run at them, and when Tyrone counter with lads like Cavanagh bombing through the middle I can see problems.
Kerry should win on all known evidence, but Tyrone are a solid team, if not quite what we saw in the 00s. I'm not so sure Kerry are either though.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 19, 2015, 02:35:35 PM
Lads I'm thinking Kerry might be walking into a buzzsaw here. How did the appeal go last night I wonder? Apologies if it has been mentioned here. Tyrone have been scoring heavily enough, although probably not enough goals. They may need to score 1 or 2 to beat Kerry, but I can see them certainly causing the Kingdom a lot of bother. I'm not convinced by Kerry when teams run at them, and when Tyrone counter with lads like Cavanagh bombing through the middle I can see problems.
Kerry should win on all known evidence, but Tyrone are a solid team, if not quite what we saw in the 00s. I'm not so sure Kerry are either though.
It's tonight I believe.
fair play Tyrone gaa,thats a start,McCann is just one in a huge line of incidents that bring shame on football in Tyrone,
This talk about McCann and his appeal is a bit of a red herring. If he does get off tonight (which I expect that he will) then he will probably not be in the best mental state to play on Sunday anyway so either way Tyrone will be weakened slightly. Harte being Harte may well decide to play him anyway but that would be a huge risk as he will probably be under massive pressure in the biggest game of his career and will probably be targeted by Kerry. It will help fill column inches before the match but I feel that it will have little impact on the result.
From a Tyrone perspective it may actually serve the greater good if he is suspended, maybe reduced to 4 weeks (although I believe that cannot happen because 8 weeks is the minimum for the charge). Tyrone with a sense of injustice will be very dangerous. Tyrone 'vindicated' may be a little less on edge.
not at all... its not just about the siege mentality and everything else... as Ive said here before, don't underestimate how much of a loss McCann is to Tyrone, he may not have all the skills of a Darren McCurry or that, but his role in the team is paramount in Micky Harte's game plan... Their defensive tactics of sitting back only really work when they have a few superb ball carriers to counter which ensure possession rather than gambling on breaking via threading kick passes through a thick Kerry defense to men like McCurry and McAliskey who have struggled to win their own 50/50ball.. McCann is one, of the main ball carriers for Tyrone, second maybe to Pete Harte
I know McCann has become a steady player for them, but in Net terms a distracted McCann who will undoubtedly be reminded of his nonsense might not be as big an asset as otherwise.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 19, 2015, 03:13:25 PM
I know McCann has become a steady player for them, but in Net terms a distracted McCann who will undoubtedly be reminded of his nonsense might not be as big an asset as otherwise.
The almost-dark-but-more-gray-so-grand-really arts? Surely not in Kerry?
In normal circumstances McCann might be a slight miss but this isn't normal circumstances. He will be under huge pressure from opponents in his ear and from the crowd and I can't see him having any sort of impact. If I was Eamon Fitzmaurice I'd be wanting to see him start.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 19, 2015, 03:05:45 PM
From a Tyrone perspective it may actually serve the greater good if he is suspended, maybe reduced to 4 weeks (although I believe that cannot happen because 8 weeks is the minimum for the charge). Tyrone with a sense of injustice will be very dangerous. Tyrone 'vindicated' may be a little less on edge.
No, it can't be reduced, and that's why this can't stick (even if the CCCC stick to their inebriated ;) guns) and why it will go all the way to the DRA if necessary, since the penalty for his offence is already comprehensively covered in rule 5.8 (yellow card).
But he was charged with disrepute, not with diving. At least as far as I understand it. (complete bollox as I've said, but I think that's the suspension).
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 19, 2015, 03:23:10 PM
But he was charged with disrepute, not with diving. At least as far as I understand it. (complete bollox as I've said, but I think that's the suspension).
Yes, but that's a groundless charge, since rule 5.8 covers what he did on the pitch (he has no responsibility for anything that blew up after his on-pitch infraction). They can't just start to arbitrarily ignore their own rules and use this ill-defined catch-all (though in their endearingly amateurish way they may try).
A bit of indictment players seeking to keep ahead of the rules using cynical tactics. It how it is... rules change to stop it and they find something else...
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 19, 2015, 03:26:33 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 19, 2015, 03:23:10 PM
But he was charged with disrepute, not with diving. At least as far as I understand it. (complete bollox as I've said, but I think that's the suspension).
Yes, but that's a groundless charge, since rule 5.8 covers what he did on the pitch (he has no responsibility for anything that blew up after his on-pitch infraction). They can't just start to arbitrarily ignore their own rules and use this ill-defined catch-all (though in their endearingly amateurish way they may try).
That's exactly what they are trying. They are saying his dive was so egregious, and not dealt with on the field of play, therefore he is open to the disrepute charge. As I've said it's bollox and can't surely stick, but I wouldn't be as confident as you seem to be.
Quote from: grounded on August 19, 2015, 11:04:53 AM
Most of the hype so far for the kerry team comes down to their big win over Kildare. I'm just not convinced that we should take that much from that game. Sundays game will be a huge step up in terms of intensity and the quality of the opposition. Kerry were able to dominate midfield, tyrone will flood that sector with players and fight for every ball. I see the game playing out very much like last year's aif, abiet with a little more scoring threat from both sides. For me kerry''s forwards offer that little bit more particularly when it comes to scoring goals which tend to win these type of games. Saying that I'm not convinced with their back line and I feel Tyrone 's nippy forwards could potentially exploit their lack of pace. Really looking forward to it.
I see a lot of this "Tyrone will flood the midfield" talk. Surely Tyrone will do anything but that.
Their defensive structure all year has been pulling as many men inside their 45 as possible.
They are almost certain to concede Kerry's kick outs entirely and retreat behind half way. For their own kick outs as usual they will try and get someone loose in their own half. There's no way they will flood midfield.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 19, 2015, 03:32:59 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 19, 2015, 03:26:33 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 19, 2015, 03:23:10 PM
But he was charged with disrepute, not with diving. At least as far as I understand it. (complete bollox as I've said, but I think that's the suspension).
Yes, but that's a groundless charge, since rule 5.8 covers what he did on the pitch (he has no responsibility for anything that blew up after his on-pitch infraction). They can't just start to arbitrarily ignore their own rules and use this ill-defined catch-all (though in their endearingly amateurish way they may try).
That's exactly what they are trying. They are saying his dive was so egregious, and not dealt with on the field of play, therefore he is open to the disrepute charge. As I've said it's bollox and can't surely stick, but I wouldn't be as confident as you seem to be.
But the DRA can't be swayed by any such nuances, they'll have to go, effectively, by the legalities, and legally 5.8 fully covers it. And that it was missed by the referee at the time is irrelevant since that wasn't the player's fault.
It should be an automatic red by the way, no question, but it's not right now.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 19, 2015, 03:32:59 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 19, 2015, 03:26:33 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 19, 2015, 03:23:10 PM
But he was charged with disrepute, not with diving. At least as far as I understand it. (complete bollox as I've said, but I think that's the suspension).
Yes, but that's a groundless charge, since rule 5.8 covers what he did on the pitch (he has no responsibility for anything that blew up after his on-pitch infraction). They can't just start to arbitrarily ignore their own rules and use this ill-defined catch-all (though in their endearingly amateurish way they may try).
That's exactly what they are trying. They are saying his dive was so egregious, and not dealt with on the field of play, therefore he is open to the disrepute charge. As I've said it's bollox and can't surely stick, but I wouldn't be as confident as you seem to be.
If an anti Tyrone QC like Brolly thinks it's ridiculous and doesn't stack up, then I'd be inclined to take his word for it.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 19, 2015, 03:39:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 19, 2015, 03:32:59 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 19, 2015, 03:26:33 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 19, 2015, 03:23:10 PM
But he was charged with disrepute, not with diving. At least as far as I understand it. (complete bollox as I've said, but I think that's the suspension).
Yes, but that's a groundless charge, since rule 5.8 covers what he did on the pitch (he has no responsibility for anything that blew up after his on-pitch infraction). They can't just start to arbitrarily ignore their own rules and use this ill-defined catch-all (though in their endearingly amateurish way they may try).
That's exactly what they are trying. They are saying his dive was so egregious, and not dealt with on the field of play, therefore he is open to the disrepute charge. As I've said it's bollox and can't surely stick, but I wouldn't be as confident as you seem to be.
If an anti Tyrone QC like Brolly thinks it's ridiculous and doesn't stack up, then I'd be inclined to take his word for it.
I'm agreeing with ye lads, I'm just saying they'll try and present it that way, and as we all know it can be anyone's guess the way some of these decisions go. I'd not be surprised if it got thrown out tonight, but equally I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up in the DRA.
Quote from: Keane on August 19, 2015, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: grounded on August 19, 2015, 11:04:53 AM
Most of the hype so far for the kerry team comes down to their big win over Kildare. I'm just not convinced that we should take that much from that game. Sundays game will be a huge step up in terms of intensity and the quality of the opposition. Kerry were able to dominate midfield, tyrone will flood that sector with players and fight for every ball. I see the game playing out very much like last year's aif, abiet with a little more scoring threat from both sides. For me kerry''s forwards offer that little bit more particularly when it comes to scoring goals which tend to win these type of games. Saying that I'm not convinced with their back line and I feel Tyrone 's nippy forwards could potentially exploit their lack of pace. Really looking forward to it.
I see a lot of this "Tyrone will flood the midfield" talk. Surely Tyrone will do anything but that.
Their defensive structure all year has been pulling as many men inside their 45 as possible.
They are almost certain to concede Kerry's kick outs entirely and retreat behind half way. For their own kick outs as usual they will try and get someone loose in their own half. There's no way they will flood midfield.
I agree, we won't kick anything into midfield ourselves and retreat leaving your defenders free encouraging you to take the sort kick out. If I was Kerry, I'd worry about the runs of Donnelly from midfield, I wonder who will pick him up.
Quote from: muppet on August 19, 2015, 03:15:07 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 19, 2015, 03:13:25 PM
I know McCann has become a steady player for them, but in Net terms a distracted McCann who will undoubtedly be reminded of his nonsense might not be as big an asset as otherwise.
The almost-dark-but-more-gray-so-grand-really arts? Surely not in Kerry?
No, the Derry supporters will remind him of it.
Quote from: Keane on August 19, 2015, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: grounded on August 19, 2015, 11:04:53 AM
Most of the hype so far for the kerry team comes down to their big win over Kildare. I'm just not convinced that we should take that much from that game. Sundays game will be a huge step up in terms of intensity and the quality of the opposition. Kerry were able to dominate midfield, tyrone will flood that sector with players and fight for every ball. I see the game playing out very much like last year's aif, abiet with a little more scoring threat from both sides. For me kerry''s forwards offer that little bit more particularly when it comes to scoring goals which tend to win these type of games. Saying that I'm not convinced with their back line and I feel Tyrone 's nippy forwards could potentially exploit their lack of pace. Really looking forward to it.
I see a lot of this "Tyrone will flood the midfield" talk. Surely Tyrone will do anything but that.
Their defensive structure all year has been pulling as many men inside their 45 as possible.
They are almost certain to concede Kerry's kick outs entirely and retreat behind half way. For their own kick outs as usual they will try and get someone loose in their own half. There's no way they will flood midfield.
Hard to know. They pushed up to good effect in the Sligo game but the kick outs weren't great.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 19, 2015, 03:39:01 PM
If an anti Tyrone QC like Brolly thinks it's ridiculous and doesn't stack up, then I'd be inclined to take his word for it.
You giving Joe a promotion there? He'll love that.
Club Tyrone "chat show" tomorrow night at 7pm at Garvaghey for any members on here.
See, ye have have meetings before the games where ye all 'chat' at each other. Despicable.
I don't see McCann as potentially being affected by all this negatively. Its not as if as particular skill or aspect of his game which he uses during play has been scrutinised and resulted in his possibly changing his style of play, he will be able to go out and play his game as normal and its a very effective on at that.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 19, 2015, 03:53:57 PM
Quote from: Keane on August 19, 2015, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: grounded on August 19, 2015, 11:04:53 AM
Most of the hype so far for the kerry team comes down to their big win over Kildare. I'm just not convinced that we should take that much from that game. Sundays game will be a huge step up in terms of intensity and the quality of the opposition. Kerry were able to dominate midfield, tyrone will flood that sector with players and fight for every ball. I see the game playing out very much like last year's aif, abiet with a little more scoring threat from both sides. For me kerry''s forwards offer that little bit more particularly when it comes to scoring goals which tend to win these type of games. Saying that I'm not convinced with their back line and I feel Tyrone 's nippy forwards could potentially exploit their lack of pace. Really looking forward to it.
I see a lot of this "Tyrone will flood the midfield" talk. Surely Tyrone will do anything but that.
Their defensive structure all year has been pulling as many men inside their 45 as possible.
They are almost certain to concede Kerry's kick outs entirely and retreat behind half way. For their own kick outs as usual they will try and get someone loose in their own half. There's no way they will flood midfield.
Hard to know. They pushed up to good effect in the Sligo game but the kick outs weren't great.
The Sligo game is an irrelevance, they dont compare to Kerry in the kickout dpt or midfield dpt or pretty much anywhere else in the slightest
It will be interesting to see what they do. Most likely experiment with both and see which works best.
But I could see the most likely being Tyrone dropping back, conceding possession to short kickouts with the intention of winning turnovers and hitting Kerry on the break...
It would force Kerry's backs into a possession game and could make Gooch on the 40 very significant....
Kerry might try the Monaghan tactic from the Ulster final off moving the ball from side to side and back again to create an opening. They failed to do this against Tyrone as they tried to carry it instead. The gooch would be the best man for Kerry to implement this, and this is why I think he will play out around the middle. A man marker job out there will be needed, which could change our shape inside.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2015, 03:43:45 PM
I agree, we won't kick anything into midfield ourselves and retreat leaving your defenders free encouraging you to take the sort kick out. If I was Kerry, I'd worry about the runs of Donnelly from midfield, I wonder who will pick him up.
Yeah I find it hard to predict the match ups.
Kerry might just let Maher on Donnelly and hope to have cover when he goes on his runs. He is a baller.
Enright on McCurry, Young on Harte, ??? on Cavanagh. Hard to guess really.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 19, 2015, 03:53:57 PM
Hard to know. They pushed up to good effect in the Sligo game but the kick outs weren't great.
Sligo have literally the worst midfield I've ever seen in Croke Park, so while you're right that Tyrone pushed up on them it was because they had the edge there that day.
I wouldn't see them trying to implement the same tactic to react to the opposite situation.
Giving Sunday to be a wet day. Tyrone like that sort of weather. ;D
Quote from: Keane on August 19, 2015, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2015, 03:43:45 PM
I agree, we won't kick anything into midfield ourselves and retreat leaving your defenders free encouraging you to take the sort kick out. If I was Kerry, I'd worry about the runs of Donnelly from midfield, I wonder who will pick him up.
Yeah I find it hard to predict the match ups.
Kerry might just let Maher on Donnelly and hope to have cover when he goes on his runs. He is a baller.
Enright on McCurry, Young on Harte, ??? on Cavanagh. Hard to guess really.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 19, 2015, 03:53:57 PM
Hard to know. They pushed up to good effect in the Sligo game but the kick outs weren't great.
Sligo have literally the worst midfield I've ever seen in Croke Park, so while you're right that Tyrone pushed up on them it was because they had the edge there that day.
I wouldn't see them trying to implement the same tactic to react to the opposite situation.
Could be wrong but is Enright not more suited to the physical player as opposed to the nippy corner forward?
I could see him picking up Sean C and Tomas picking up McCurry? or is Tomas more likely to be marshaling than concentrating on man marking?
And would Enright follow Sean out the field?
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on August 19, 2015, 04:33:48 PM
Kerry might try the Monaghan tactic from the Ulster final off moving the ball from side to side and back again to create an opening. They failed to do this against Tyrone as they tried to carry it instead. The gooch would be the best man for Kerry to implement this, and this is why I think he will play out around the middle. A man marker job out there will be needed, which could change our shape inside.
Ha precisely! Look what happened when McGee done a manmarking job on JOD in last years final..... no big man left on the square resulting Kerry's first goal
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 19, 2015, 04:50:17 PM
Could be wrong but is Enright not more suited to the physical player as opposed to the nippy corner forward?
I could see him picking up Sean C and Tomas picking up McCurry? or is Tomas more likely to be marshaling than concentrating on man marking?
And would Enright follow Sean out the field?
Nah Enright would probably our fastest back, definitely the fastest in the FB line. When Marc was struggling on Colm O'Neill in the drawn game Enright went over and quietened him.
Do you mean Marc when you say Tomas or...? Would think McCurry would be very nippy compared to Marc. He took him to the cleaners in 12 alright but McCurry is presumably much better now while Marc is probably slower.
Mahony on Cavanagh I suppose is how they will go as Mahony would probably be the best guy to go out the field with him. The problem with that would be that Mahony has been the sweeper of choice in the last two games and been pretty smooth looking at it.
Quote from: Keane on August 19, 2015, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2015, 03:43:45 PM
I agree, we won't kick anything into midfield ourselves and retreat leaving your defenders free encouraging you to take the sort kick out. If I was Kerry, I'd worry about the runs of Donnelly from midfield, I wonder who will pick him up.
Yeah I find it hard to predict the match ups.
Kerry might just let Maher on Donnelly and hope to have cover when he goes on his runs. He is a baller.
Enright on McCurry, Young on Harte, ??? on Cavanagh. Hard to guess really.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 19, 2015, 03:53:57 PM
Hard to know. They pushed up to good effect in the Sligo game but the kick outs weren't great.
Sligo have literally the worst midfield I've ever seen in Croke Park, so while you're right that Tyrone pushed up on them it was because they had the edge there that day.
I wouldn't see them trying to implement the same tactic to react to the opposite situation.
Sligo were poor, but it was an obvious change of tactic to push up. I wouldn't be surprised to see it again in patches on Sunday.
Quote from: Keane on August 19, 2015, 05:04:45 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 19, 2015, 04:50:17 PM
Could be wrong but is Enright not more suited to the physical player as opposed to the nippy corner forward?
I could see him picking up Sean C and Tomas picking up McCurry? or is Tomas more likely to be marshaling than concentrating on man marking?
And would Enright follow Sean out the field?
Nah Enright would probably our fastest back, definitely the fastest in the FB line. When Marc was struggling on Colm O'Neill in the drawn game Enright went over and quietened him.
Do you mean Marc when you say Tomas or...? Would think McCurry would be very nippy compared to Marc. He took him to the cleaners in 12 alright but McCurry is presumably much better now while Marc is probably slower.
Mahony on Cavanagh I suppose is how they will go as Mahony would probably be the best guy to go out the field with him. The problem with that would be that Mahony has been the sweeper of choice in the last two games and been pretty smooth looking at it.
Sorry Marc (duh) But thats my point about Enright he's good at the big physical forwards like the Cork men and I'm not really talking about straight line speed so much as agility and nippiness
Your right O'Mahoney of course would be the man for Sean C, but then would he have the legs for following him out the field? Would they likely to switch his man when he goes for a dander? Fitzmaurice would hardly do that as there would be a risk of him being unmarked.
On a side note O'Mahoney is a machine, he's a naturally inclined bigger man and to be still kicking county ball at at 35 is some goin.
Quote from: Hereiam on August 19, 2015, 04:45:10 PM
Giving Sunday to be a wet day. Tyrone like that sort of weather. ;D
Yea, no need to spend money on Gel.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 19, 2015, 04:50:17 PM
Quote from: Keane on August 19, 2015, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2015, 03:43:45 PM
I agree, we won't kick anything into midfield ourselves and retreat leaving your defenders free encouraging you to take the sort kick out. If I was Kerry, I'd worry about the runs of Donnelly from midfield, I wonder who will pick him up.
Yeah I find it hard to predict the match ups.
Kerry might just let Maher on Donnelly and hope to have cover when he goes on his runs. He is a baller.
Enright on McCurry, Young on Harte, ??? on Cavanagh. Hard to guess really.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 19, 2015, 03:53:57 PM
Hard to know. They pushed up to good effect in the Sligo game but the kick outs weren't great.
Sligo have literally the worst midfield I've ever seen in Croke Park, so while you're right that Tyrone pushed up on them it was because they had the edge there that day.
I wouldn't see them trying to implement the same tactic to react to the opposite situation.
Could be wrong but is Enright not more suited to the physical player as opposed to the nippy corner forward?
I could see him picking up Sean C and Tomas picking up McCurry? or is Tomas more likely to be marshaling than concentrating on man marking?
And would Enright follow Sean out the field?
A birdy told me that's what will happen.
Quote from: Hereiam on August 19, 2015, 04:45:10 PM
Giving Sunday to be a wet day. Tyrone like that sort of weather. ;D
Quarter final v Dublin 2008 springs to mind!!!
That'll do OK!!!
Tyrone will win this by 4 points, I had a vision about it.
Quote from: Gaffer on August 19, 2015, 09:23:54 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on August 19, 2015, 04:45:10 PM
Giving Sunday to be a wet day. Tyrone like that sort of weather. ;D
Quarter final v Dublin 2008 springs to mind!!!
That'll do OK!!!
False alarm.....it was Daithi o'Se doing the weather trying to lull us into a false sense of security.... seriously ye couldn't watch them!
Quote from: Teo Lurley on August 19, 2015, 09:35:43 PM
Tyrone will win this by 4 points, I had a vision about it.
Had a dream last night that Kerry won 1-12 to 0-6. Tommy Walshe scored a goal after 10 seconds. He said to McNamee that he could easily have walked the ball into the net and McNamee laughed. The Kerry players though had to score into an end that was under 4 feet of water and Star was thwarted when his under-water fisted effort was held up in the conditions. But he was sneering. Tyrone got to grips eventually but the pitch was a u-shape and you couldn't see the other goalposts as there was a continuous wall around the field. Had to ask someone what the score was as the scoreboard was hidden from view.
Will ask the psychiatrist what it all means.
Quote from: ONeill on August 19, 2015, 09:46:53 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on August 19, 2015, 09:35:43 PM
Tyrone will win this by 4 points, I had a vision about it.
Had a dream last night that Kerry won 1-12 to 0-6. Tommy Walshe scored a goal after 10 seconds. He said to McNamee that he could easily have walked the ball into the net and McNamee laughed. The Kerry players though had to score into an end that was under 4 feet of water and Star was thwarted when his under-water fisted effort was held up in the conditions. But he was sneering. Tyrone got to grips eventually but the pitch was a u-shape and you couldn't see the other goalposts as there was a continuous wall around the field. Had to ask someone what the score was as the scoreboard was hidden from view.
Will ask the psychiatrist what it all means.
I'm a psycho so I can help.
I'm not going to though.
So McCann is free to play. Good news but hardly surprising! GAA have made complete fools of themselves on this issue.
Right decision. The initial suspension was completely crazy. Something has to be done about the way the GAA is reacting to media horseshite.
You'd really have to wonder why they set themselves up to look like such pure eejits (maybe stay out of the pub the next time #CCCC ;) ).
And he'll be grand, no point in putting off Sunday, once he's in the thick of it it'll be history! :)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 19, 2015, 10:48:28 PM
You'd really have to wonder why they set themselves up to look like such pure eejits (maybe stay out of the pub the next time #CCCC ;) ).
And he'll be grand, no point in putting off Sunday, once he's in the thick of it it'll be history! :)
Does anyone know who sits on the panel of the CCCC. They must not be the sharpest tools in the box.
Surprise surprise it was over turned. GAA made themselves look like fools by suspending him in the first place for such a thing that clearly contravened their own rules. McCanns head will not be right to play but Harte has a history of playing players in similar circumstances so I still expect him to start. Although McCanns act was blatant cheating, he has suffered enough and when the dust settles it's the correct decision to free him to play.
Conor Meyler black card rescinded too. Turns out we did nothing wrong in that game!! ;D
No decision on McCann yet according to twitter.
As I said on day 1. McCann's dive was ridiculous and stupid, but to trump up a charge of disrepute, on the back of a media backlash, was unfair and inconsistent when viewed against similar incidents.
By all means legislate a proper, retrospective process for dealing with incidents like this, but don't try and parachute a process in, in the middle of the season.
A real lose, lose scenario. McCann was wrong, but the GAA managed to turn him into a martyr and then had to back down.
Quote from: Zulu on August 19, 2015, 10:59:31 PM
No decision on McCann yet according to twitter.
RTE must have jumped the gun on their Twitter then.
Declan Bougue saying a cast iron source said the hearing still in progress. That was 9 minutes ago
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 19, 2015, 11:00:36 PM
As I said on day 1. McCann's dive was ridiculous and stupid, but to trump up a charge of disrepute, on the back of a media backlash, was unfair and inconsistent when viewed against similar incidents.
By all means legislate a proper, retrospective process for dealing with incidents like this, but don't try and parachute a process in, in the middle of the season.
A real lose, lose scenario. McCann was wrong, but the GAA managed to turn him into a martyr and then had to back down.
+1
Don't see proof of it being overturned yet...
And RTÉ appear to have deleted their tweet!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 19, 2015, 11:12:14 PM
And RTÉ appear to have deleted their tweet!
How sus does that look after all the stuff about RTE dictating terms to the GAA?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 19, 2015, 11:00:36 PM
As I said on day 1. McCann's dive was ridiculous and stupid, but to trump up a charge of disrepute, on the back of a media backlash, was unfair and inconsistent when viewed against similar incidents.
By all means legislate a proper, retrospective process for dealing with incidents like this, but don't try and parachute a process in, in the middle of the season.
A real lose, lose scenario. McCann was wrong, but the GAA managed to turn him into a martyr and then had to back down.
Can't believe that I completely agree with you!
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Only joking. I am glad the ban was overturned, it was completely ridiculous. People need to understand that The Sunday Game is entertainment not to be taken too seriously. Like Vincent Browne, only unlike TSG crew, Browne is clever enough to know he is merely entertainment. The lads think it is real.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 19, 2015, 11:23:22 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 19, 2015, 11:12:14 PM
And RTÉ appear to have deleted their tweet!
How sus does that look after all the stuff about RTE dictating terms to the GAA?
Link please?
Quote from: muppet on August 19, 2015, 11:27:34 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 19, 2015, 11:23:22 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 19, 2015, 11:12:14 PM
And RTÉ appear to have deleted their tweet!
How sus does that look after all the stuff about RTE dictating terms to the GAA?
Link please?
No link now, the tweet has been deleted -- but @RTEGAA tweeted a good while ago (45 mins) that the ban had been overturned.
Independent tweeted it too, as did Ger Gilroy of Newstalk. Looks like it's premature though, the Tyrone PRO says nothing has been heard yet.
It would be some laugh now if the suspension is upheld. The whole of Tyrone will explode in mass hysteria!
Quote from: yellowcard on August 19, 2015, 11:40:11 PM
It would be some laugh now if the suspension is upheld. The whole of Tyrone will explode in mass hysteria!
I wonder did RTE tweet that fake outcome just to wind us up? O'Rourke is probably at home now, sat back with a glass of brandy, pissing himself laughing!! :)
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2015, 11:46:35 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 19, 2015, 11:40:11 PM
It would be some laugh now if the suspension is upheld. The whole of Tyrone will explode in mass hysteria!
I wonder did RTE tweet that fake outcome just to wind us up? O'Rourke is probably at home now, sat back with a glass of brandy, pissing himself laughing!! :)
RTE should be done for simulation!
And then bringing the GAA into disrepute.
And then treason.
And then war crimes.
Because it is important to follow process and retain perspective.
Appeal successful, ban overturned. Phew! :)
Appeal successful...again???
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 20, 2015, 01:03:59 AM
Appeal successful, ban overturned. Phew! :)
Are ye sure? Ye deleted your post last time Fear ;)
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 20, 2015, 01:05:22 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 20, 2015, 01:03:59 AM
Appeal successful, ban overturned. Phew! :)
Are ye sure? Ye deleted your post last time Fear ;)
Yep, certain this time (that deleted post was a false confirmation too)! :)
Happy days
Now for Sunday!!!
Both Tyrone rescissions correct. At best Meyler banged into Hughes by accident, at worst he modified his run so Hughes would body check him and get a black. Either way he didn't deserve a black card. Was he already on a black card before that he appealed it?
Breaking: Tiernan McCann found innocent after chocolate biscuit mutiny ends GAA disciplinary hearing
Tyrone's Tiernan McCann has finally had his eight week ban for bringing the GAA into disrepute overturned after a dramatic night of events at Croke Park.
The Central Hearings Committee (CHC) finally reached a decision at around 1am, after running out of chocolate digestive biscuits.
Twitter had gone into overdrive nearly three hours previously after rumours of McCann's ban being overturned leaked out, but these reports proved premature, due to what was at that point still a well stocked cupboard.
Mayo's Kevin Keane had much earlier had his red card against Donegal downgraded to a yellow in a decision that took less than 30 seconds, but McCann's hearing was to prove much more lengthy.
"There was no way we were letting that diving Nordie gobshite out of here without making him wait for a long time", said Fintan Crummy, Chairman of the CHC. "The decision was obviously a formality, but there was loads of lovely finger food available and the committee members decided it'd be a sin to let it go to waste. When we polished that off we tucked into the biscuits. They were lovely. Chocolate digestives, not the miserable Irish-made ones now, the proper McVities ones. Great with a pot of tea."
Eyewitnesses said the committee members sat dunking biscuits in tea and laughing at McCann for over three hours while the hearing took place.
At one point McCann asked if he could have a biscuit only to be met with a frosty response from committee Chairman Crummy, followed by loud laughter from the rest of the committee.
"The cheeky bollix actually asked us for a biscuit", said another committee member, on condition of anonymity. "I said to him, "you're bloody lucky you'll be walking out of here a free man tomorrow, and it will be tomorrow, mark my words."
"We could have gone on until tomorrow morning if we had to", continued the committee member. "The lads were all enjoying the biccies immensely. But we ran out of them at about 1am. We did think of sending somebody out to get more, and a couple of packets of fags while we were at it, but the nearest 24 hour shop is way up on Dorset Street, and that's a bit of a trek at this time of night, so we just said, "f**k that, we'll call it a night. Innocent." Twas probably the wise decision, the lads were f**king stuffed, actually."
But Crummy was still upbeat as he left the hearing. "At least the greasy haired bollix will have to drive all the way back to Tyrone in the middle of the night. He won't sleep tonight, that's for sure."
"For Tyrone teams Kerry was always a mountain that couldn't be scaled" -Mickey Harte.
1997 U18 semifinal Tyrone 0-23 Kerry 0-21 (after replay and extra time).
2003 All-Ireland senior semi final Tyrone 0-13 Kerry 0-6
2005 All-Ireland senior final Tyrone 1-16 Kerry 2-10
2008 All-Ireland senior final Tyrone 1-15 Kerry 0-14
2012 Knock out game senior championship Kerry 1-16 Tyrone 1-6
Mickey has an impressive championship record with Kerry. Every time Tyrone are down to play Kerry in the championship the challenges always appear to get higher. Tyrone are a great Croke Park team and so are Kerry. I believe this could be a classic.
While delighted that common sense has prevailed, as a fervent GAA supporter I have to question who made the original decision to propose an eight week ban.While I, like all reasonable Tyrone (and real neutral) supporters, realised that what young Tiernan had done was unsporting and not what we want to see coming into the game, an eight week ban was, even to the most fervent anti-Tyrone enthusiasts, always way off the mark. Even Colm O'Rourke in his recent newspaper column admitted it was 'probably excessive' - and this from the guy who originally proposed it! Are the original GAA decision makers focused on or in Leinster? Or why are they so strongly influenced in their initial decision making by a couple of past Leinster players when most neutral supporters' views - as reflected in this chain - were that the original ban proposal was way off the mark? As a long term GAA member I cringe everytime these decisions are made and subsequently rescinded. Can we get some (at least) semi-professionals into the committees that make these original decisions so that we don't become a laughing stock?
Redhandroar
Time to stop blaming the committees and start blaming the players. Bringing diving/pretending to be struck into gaa games is about as low as it gets. His own team should kick him in the hole for doing this unless this is part of Tyrones tactics and if it is part of your plan, please stop playing football and start a soccer team because nobody else wants this Shyte in Gaelic football.
Look inside before you blame people outside. It's a sad day for football to see this nonsense creeping in.
I hope and expect that Tyrone are better than that and that it will NEVER happen again.
You'll get a resounding no to that one on Sunday Sligoman.
Sligoman2, can you clarify what you mean by MY plan? Of course as I already CLEARLY pointed out, what Tiernan did was wrong. I think my position was clear - take a deep breath and read my previous post ... the point I was making was as a long term GAA member, I'm sick of knee jerk decisions being made (that are not based on the rules of the game but on inital media hysteria) only to be be rescinded later - just look at the outcome of today's appeals. How many of the original decisions were overturned? Unlike you I'm not focused on just one decision but on the bigger picture. Do you not think that every wrong decision undermines the GAA generally? Are you a real GAA fan or are Sligo Rovers more your scene? Or are you so blinded by hatred of others that you can't tell black from white any more?
Syferus you are a wum...
Quote from: Syferus on August 20, 2015, 03:39:27 AM
You'll get a resounding no to that one on Sunday Sligoman.
Remind me, was the reason Galway hammered yis in 2001 because yis dropped Frankie Dolan for the quarter final?
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Quote from: redhandroar on August 20, 2015, 03:43:42 AM
Sligoman2, can you clarify what you mean by MY plan? Of course as I already CLEARLY pointed out, what Tiernan did was wrong. I think my position was clear - take a deep breath and read my previous post ... the point I was making was as a long term GAA member, I'm sick of knee jerk decisions being made (that are not based on the rules of the game but on inital media hysteria) only to be be rescinded later - just look at the outcome of today's appeals. How many of the original decisions were overturned? Unlike you I'm not focused on just one decision but on the bigger picture. Do you not think that every wrong decision undermines the GAA generally? Are you a real GAA fan or are Sligo Rovers more your scene? Or are you so blinded by hatred of others that you can't tell black from white any more?
By your plan I mean Tyrones plan. Not sure what SLIGO ROVERS have to do with this, I'm not a big soccer fan partly because of the diving and faking injuries like we saw in this case. I don't have any hatred for Tyrone either but I am very disappointed to see this creeping into our games, like I said, look inside before you start pointing the finger outside.
QuoteDoes anyone know who sits on the panel of the CCCC. They must not be the sharpest tools in the box.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKqkRm0K7oc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC7Xv7kHiZ4
Really hope Tyrone win on Sunday for God and for Ulster
Not just tierny but meyler and keane all won their appeals. How can that be right? Tierny was the worst example. Why propose 8 weeks that was never going to stick? What about refs report? Why was hughes sent off? Etc etc
Quote from: highorlow on August 20, 2015, 09:19:19 AM
QuoteDoes anyone know who sits on the panel of the CCCC. They must not be the sharpest tools in the box.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKqkRm0K7oc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC7Xv7kHiZ4
Very good.
SuperHo, reports during the week confirmed that Duffy sent off Hughes for striking.
Quote from: sid waddell on August 20, 2015, 02:08:19 AM
Breaking: Tiernan McCann found innocent after chocolate biscuit mutiny ends GAA disciplinary hearing
Tyrone's Tiernan McCann has finally had his eight week ban for bringing the GAA into disrepute overturned after a dramatic night of events at Croke Park.
The Central Hearings Committee (CHC) finally reached a decision at around 1am, after running out of chocolate digestive biscuits.
Twitter had gone into overdrive nearly three hours previously after rumours of McCann's ban being overturned leaked out, but these reports proved premature, due to what was at that point still a well stocked cupboard.
Mayo's Kevin Keane had much earlier had his red card against Donegal downgraded to a yellow in a decision that took less than 30 seconds, but McCann's hearing was to prove much more lengthy.
"There was no way we were letting that diving Nordie gobshite out of here without making him wait for a long time", said Fintan Crummy, Chairman of the CHC. "The decision was obviously a formality, but there was loads of lovely finger food available and the committee members decided it'd be a sin to let it go to waste. When we polished that off we tucked into the biscuits. They were lovely. Chocolate digestives, not the miserable Irish-made ones now, the proper McVities ones. Great with a pot of tea."
Eyewitnesses said the committee members sat dunking biscuits in tea and laughing at McCann for over three hours while the hearing took place.
At one point McCann asked if he could have a biscuit only to be met with a frosty response from committee Chairman Crummy, followed by loud laughter from the rest of the committee.
"The cheeky bollix actually asked us for a biscuit", said another committee member, on condition of anonymity. "I said to him, "you're bloody lucky you'll be walking out of here a free man tomorrow, and it will be tomorrow, mark my words."
"We could have gone on until tomorrow morning if we had to", continued the committee member. "The lads were all enjoying the biccies immensely. But we ran out of them at about 1am. We did think of sending somebody out to get more, and a couple of packets of fags while we were at it, but the nearest 24 hour shop is way up on Dorset Street, and that's a bit of a trek at this time of night, so we just said, "f**k that, we'll call it a night. Innocent." Twas probably the wise decision, the lads were f**king stuffed, actually."
But Crummy was still upbeat as he left the hearing. "At least the greasy haired bollix will have to drive all the way back to Tyrone in the middle of the night. He won't sleep tonight, that's for sure."
;D ;D Good man sid :)
Cheers omagh_gael but for striking who? If ye see what i mean.
A shaven headed Tiernan mccann to kick the winner now on Sunday.
8)
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 20, 2015, 09:48:17 AM
reports during the week confirmed that Duffy sent off Hughes for striking.
So a slap to Michael Murphy's face is not striking but tousling a young poser's hair is ??? ::) :o
Or is ithere a new rule of thumb - if you're team are out of the championship it's a red card offence but if you're still in then all cards (and bans) are rescinded.
No wonder cynics say the GAA is corrupt behind the scenes.
Just to confirm source:
http://m.hoganstand.com/Home/Details/242775?county=Tyrone
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 20, 2015, 11:32:02 AM
Just to confirm source:
http://m.hoganstand.com/Home/Details/242775?county=Tyrone
Marty Duffy is the Sludden of 2015....career over!
I've been moaning all year since the U21 semi final about how we are a hated team and how so many "neutrals" don't want us to get back to winning ways or even close. I can understand this to a certain extent but now that we're in the AI semis I am shocked how many people who have come up to me and said
"Cheeze I hope ye go on to win it now, I'd rather ye than Kerry or Dublin"
What about Mayo I'd say and they'd often say nah we don't wanna see another Mayo flop in a spoiled final
Its funny how nothing physically has changed since the Sligo match yet momentum seems to grow and where there was no chance what so ever now, quite a few people think we have a chance v Kerry
I think if we can defend like terriers for the first 20/30 mins and not let in any goals then we will frustrate their very attacking forward line and then their supporters, who I expect to be out in HUGE numbers for a semi final for once, will start getting on their backs and will put them under pressure
If Kerry get off to a flyer which I suspect they will try to do then they could really take us to the cleaners as I'm worried our lack of strong minded leaders don't exist there any more like Dooher, Ricey or Jordan etc.
Patience is the one big attribute needed against this Tyrone defence and Cork showed it very well in the league
We frustrated them for long periods of the game but they made a lot of substitutions in the last 10 mins and started scoring amazing points from far out.
I expect us to build our double duvet 13 men behind our 40 right from the start and then let them pass sideways back and forward looking for an opening. Then when we strip the ball from them we attack at pace into the space their half backs have left pushing up and we have more freedom to shoot then.
Of course Kerry will expect all this now but will they be able to resist this extreme type of gameplan?
I expect the atmosphere to be very negative with the Kerry fans a bit like the Tipp fans in that they'll be waiting to jump on anything controversial whatsoever. Any soft free given to big Sean or anyone will probably be booed right away whereas any of their own indiscretions will be totally overlooked by a totally biased media now out for Red Hand Blood.
Mickey Harte thrives on this siege mentality and I only wish it was on SKY as well so we could get some proper analysis from Peter and Jim McGuinness rather than Howl on Howl on for an hour.
Ahhh great it is on Sky Sports 5
Brill stuff
I think Tyrone will give Kerry a game of it but I can't see them having enough quality to beat Kerry unless on eof Kerry's key men (Moran, Maher, Gooch, O'Mahoney) gets injured / black-carded
Just to confirm source:
http://m.hoganstand.com/Home/Details/242775?county=Tyrone
Cheers omagh_gael.
QuoteI've been moaning all year since the U21 semi final about how we are a hated team and how so many "neutrals" don't want us to get back to winning ways or even close. I can understand this to a certain extent but now that we're in the AI semis I am shocked how many people who have come up to me and said
"Cheeze I hope ye go on to win it now, I'd rather ye than Kerry or Dublin"
No you are still hated.
The CHC were actually doing us a big favour last night: there was no way, obviously, that they could uphold the CCCC's ludicrous decision, but equally, they didn't want Tír Eoghain to lose that "they're all against us" (siege) mentality, so although the CHC's decision was arrived at in under 15 minutes last night (RTÉ had it spot on with a tweet, since retracted, at that specific time), by drawing the whole thing out for 3 hours, our sense of grievance has emerged from that ordeal fully intact.
Go raibh maith agaibh CHC, feck ye all, and bring on the Ciarraí buachaillí! :)
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 20, 2015, 11:42:34 AM
I've been moaning all year since the U21 semi final about how we are a hated team and how so many "neutrals" don't want us to get back to winning ways or even close. I can understand this to a certain extent but now that we're in the AI semis I am shocked how many people who have come up to me and said
"Cheeze I hope ye go on to win it now, I'd rather ye than Kerry or Dublin"
What about Mayo I'd say and they'd often say nah we don't wanna see another Mayo flop in a spoiled final
Its funny how nothing physically has changed since the Sligo match yet momentum seems to grow and where there was no chance what so ever now, quite a few people think we have a chance v Kerry
I think if we can defend like terriers for the first 20/30 mins and not let in any goals then we will frustrate their very attacking forward line and then their supporters, who I expect to be out in HUGE numbers for a semi final for once, will start getting on their backs and will put them under pressure
If Kerry get off to a flyer which I suspect they will try to do then they could really take us to the cleaners as I'm worried our lack of strong minded leaders don't exist there any more like Dooher, Ricey or Jordan etc.
Patience is the one big attribute needed against this Tyrone defence and Cork showed it very well in the league
We frustrated them for long periods of the game but they made a lot of substitutions in the last 10 mins and started scoring amazing points from far out.
I expect us to build our double duvet 13 men behind our 40 right from the start and then let them pass sideways back and forward looking for an opening. Then when we strip the ball from them we attack at pace into the space their half backs have left pushing up and we have more freedom to shoot then.
Of course Kerry will expect all this now but will they be able to resist this extreme type of gameplan?
I expect the atmosphere to be very negative with the Kerry fans a bit like the Tipp fans in that they'll be waiting to jump on anything controversial whatsoever. Any soft free given to big Sean or anyone will probably be booed right away whereas any of their own indiscretions will be totally overlooked by a totally biased media now out for Red Hand Blood.
Mickey Harte thrives on this siege mentality and I only wish it was on SKY as well so we could get some proper analysis from Peter and Jim McGuinness rather than Howl on Howl on for an hour.
wow that post really says it all about tyrone,what a negative frame of mind.so its more of the same,puke football.
Dont know anyone that wants tyrone to win the All-Ireland,And yes ye are still hated.Thank god kerry Mayo and the dubs are still there,At least we will see some football from them
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 20, 2015, 01:32:56 PM
wow that post really says it all about tyrone,what a negative frame of mind.so its more of the same,puke football.
Dont know anyone that wants tyrone to win the All-Ireland,And yes ye are still hated.Thank god kerry Mayo and the dubs are still there,At least we will see some football from them
You still here child? FFS grow up!
QuoteTIARNAN MAC CANA
GAA Football All Ireland Senior Championship
Muineachán v Tír Eoghain
Páirc an Chrócaigh
8ú Lúnasa 2015
"In relation to the above game (Tyrone v Monaghan), Tiarnan Mac Cana was charged with engaging in conduct, which discredited the Association.
"At a Hearing held on Wednesday the 19th August, The Central Hearings Committee found that the Infraction as alleged was not proven but that the facts proven disclosed the less serious Infraction of attempting to achieve an advantage by feigning an injury for which he should have been cautioned and shown a yellow card."
did you read his post fella?tell me thats not a negative post,iam entitled to my opinion and dont need your abuse.Just read his post and read it slowly,you might get it then
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 20, 2015, 01:44:40 PM
did you read his post fella?tell me thats not a negative post,iam entitled to my opinion and dont need your abuse.Just read his post and read it slowly,you might get it then
Your making an absolute "Tyrone" outa yourself...
Most hated poster on the board.
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 20, 2015, 01:54:52 PM
Quote from: paddyoslabs on August 20, 2015, 01:44:40 PM
did you read his post fella?tell me thats not a negative post,iam entitled to my opinion and dont need your abuse.Just read his post and read it slowly,you might get it then
Your making an absolute "Tyrone" outa yourself...
Most hated poster on the board.
LOL and after only 42 posts as well. As an Armagh man and a neutral I'd love to see a Tyrone Mayo final, but alas I think Kerry and the Dubs are just too strong.
i love it,bunch of northern monkeys
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He'll probably appeal it and be back in 2 days.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 20, 2015, 02:40:18 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on August 20, 2015, 02:37:15 PM
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He'll probably appeal it and be back in 2 days.
I'll start a "Free the Slabbering One" Facebook page this evening
Interesting article on Tyrone's attack.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-statistics-tyrone-s-attack-deserves-more-credit-1.2322199
Here here GAAMod
I often read shite like that and wonder who is worse. The lads who post such vitriol or the lads who I would think know better to respond to it
My attitude is you read posts and you wonder do I want to add fuel to this eejits fire or do I just ignore him/her completely and let him feel insignificant as he/she deserves
After the Monaghan game the Anti Tyrone feeling on this board came ousing out and we saw a lot of what people really felt about Tyrone. That's fair enough and they are entitled to it. My post on the page before however, shows that there are also a lot of level headed neutrals who are happy to see us back at the top table and hope we can challenge Kerry the way we did in the 2000s. Whether we can or not though remains to be seen but at least there is a bit of excitement back in the championship which bar Aidan O'Shea, has piss poor so far to be honest.
At least Tyrone can console themselves that they will pick up at least one award this year even if it isn't an AI title.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/leftfield/1000-american-women-have-voted-for-the-ugliest-gaa-team-in-ireland-31465318.html
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2015, 04:14:23 PM
At least Tyrone can console themselves that they will pick up at least one award this year even if it isn't an AI title.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/leftfield/1000-american-women-have-voted-for-the-ugliest-gaa-team-in-ireland-31465318.html
Anti Tyrone bias goes international.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 20, 2015, 02:40:18 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on August 20, 2015, 02:37:15 PM
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He'll probably appeal it and be back in 2 days.
lol :)
Quote from: Rois on August 19, 2015, 04:08:21 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 19, 2015, 03:39:01 PM
If an anti Tyrone QC like Brolly thinks it's ridiculous and doesn't stack up, then I'd be inclined to take his word for it.
You giving Joe a promotion there? He'll love that.
Club Tyrone "chat show" tomorrow night at 7pm at Garvaghey for any members on here.
Jarlath Burns just have the gaaboard a mention at our chat show night on at the minute, and said it/we are "tame"!!
Cooper, donaghy and O'donoghue named as full forward line
I bet you McShane in for Bradley to play as third midfielder.
Mickey always has something up his sleeve for Kerry.
Maybe bring back Ricey, Gormley and Paul Donnelly.
Surprised Sheehan and Geaney were dropped mind you.
T McCann starts 8)
edit:
QuoteTyrone: Niall Morgan; Aidan McCrory, Ronan McNamee, Cathal McCarron; Ronan McNabb, Justy McMahon Peter Harte; Colm Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly; Tiernan McCann, Mark Bradley, Conor Meyler; Darren McCurry, Sean Cavanagh, Connor McAliskey
Kerry have a serious front 6 sitting on the bench!
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 20, 2015, 09:04:33 PM
I bet you McShane in for Bradley to play as third midfielder.
Mickey always has something up his sleeve for Kerry.
Maybe bring back Ricey, Gormley and Paul Donnelly.
I had Gourley in mind earlier lol
Quote from: Rois on August 20, 2015, 08:28:51 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 19, 2015, 04:08:21 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 19, 2015, 03:39:01 PM
If an anti Tyrone QC like Brolly thinks it's ridiculous and doesn't stack up, then I'd be inclined to take his word for it.
You giving Joe a promotion there? He'll love that.
Club Tyrone "chat show" tomorrow night at 7pm at Garvaghey for any members on here.
Jarlath Burns just have the gaaboard a mention at our chat show night on at the minute, and said it/we are "tame"!!
It was very enjoyable. Good balanced discussion and very magnanimous of Jarleth at the end.
Quote from: sensethetone on August 20, 2015, 09:40:25 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 20, 2015, 09:04:33 PM
I bet you McShane in for Bradley to play as third midfielder.
Mickey always has something up his sleeve for Kerry.
Maybe bring back Ricey, Gormley and Paul Donnelly.
I had Gourley in mind earlier lol
McShane not on the bench.
McShane really has dropped off the radar recently, must not be doing it in training. Mickey really seems to rate Conall McCann but I haven't seen it yet with him, he's been one of our first subs in through the league and Championship.
Think Paudie McNulty is going to have a huge say in this match coming off the bench, he is excellent carrying the ball forward and is very hard stopped when he builds up head of steam, his fresh legs can have a big bearing on this game if it's tight or Kerry are chasing in the latter stages.
When you compare the 2 sides Tyrone at a push have probably 4 players who would get into the Kerry team and Kerry have serious firepower on the bench as well. If Harte gets a win with this side then I'll eat my hat and admit that he is a tactical genius.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2015, 11:33:56 PM
When you compare the 2 sides Tyrone at a push have probably 4 players who would get into the Kerry team and Kerry have serious firepower on the bench as well. If Harte gets a win with this side then I'll eat my hat and admit that he is a tactical genius.
Get out of here, I wouldn't have any of Kerry's back 7 in our side.
Rachel Wyse Interview with Mickey Harte:
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/gaa/9957909/harte-hoping-to-conquer-the-kingdom
KERRY (SFC v Tyrone): Brendan Kealy; Paul Murphy, Marc Ó Sé, Shane Enright; Jonathan Lyne, Peter Crowley, Killian Young; Anthony Maher, David Moran; Stephen O'Brien, Johnny Buckley, Donnchadh Walsh; Colm Cooper, Kieran Donaghy (capt), James O'Donoghue.
Subs: Brian Kelly, Aidan O'Mahony, Bryan Sheehan, Paul Geaney, Barry John Keane, Darran O'Sullivan, Fionn Fitzgerald, Paul Galvin, Tommy Walsh, Pa Kilkenny, Alan Fitzgerald.
I'll be surprised if those 15 start.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2015, 11:33:56 PM
When you compare the 2 sides Tyrone at a push have probably 4 players who would get into the Kerry team and Kerry have serious firepower on the bench as well. If Harte gets a win with this side then I'll eat my hat and admit that he is a tactical genius.
You see, this is were people fall into a misconception that because Tyrone play to a "system" that the players aren't particularly good. It takes good players to play a system effectively. But player by player I would argue that Tyrone match up fairly well. I'd take either of Tyrone's goal keepers over Kealy. I'd have McNamee and McCarron at this stage of their careers over any of the 3 Kerry full backs. McNabb v Lyne is 6 of one half a dozen of the other, but I'd have Justy (or Joe) and Petey Harte all day over Crowley and Young. Midfield is interesting but Matty Donnelly has been one of the stand out players in Ireland this year, so I'd take him over Maher. Moran is superb but Colm does a great job in the "system", but plainly Moran is the better player. I think Kerry's half forward line is very over rated and is much of a muchness with Tyrone's although Conor Meyler and Mark Bradley will prove to be outstanding talents in the future. O'Brien is probably a better footballer than McCann but I haven't seen a lot of him. Granted only Sean Cavanagh would make the full forward line. So in my view, it's fairly lazy to write the Tyrone players off just because they play in a tactical system or maybe you just haven't seen very much of them. On my count I'd have 7 or 8 players with a few others very close.
Edit: Though I must admit, that's a fairly handy looking bench and might just be the winning of the game.
Morgan, Harte, Cavanagh and Donnelly and that's it. Don't be fooled by the Kerry defence having a lack of big name players. They are all good defenders in their own right. McMahon of a few years ago would have got in as well but that's only on past reputation rather than current form.
Who will you be supporting yellow card?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 20, 2015, 11:51:48 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2015, 11:33:56 PM
When you compare the 2 sides Tyrone at a push have probably 4 players who would get into the Kerry team and Kerry have serious firepower on the bench as well. If Harte gets a win with this side then I'll eat my hat and admit that he is a tactical genius.
You see, this is were people fall into a misconception that because Tyrone play to a "system" that the players aren't particularly good. It takes good players to play a system effectively. But player by player I would argue that Tyrone match up fairly well. I'd take either of Tyrone's goal keepers over Kealy. I'd have McNamee and McCarron at this stage of their careers over any of the 3 Kerry full backs. McNabb v Lyne is 6 of one half a dozen of the other, but I'd have Justy (or Joe) and Petey Harte all day over Crowley and Young. Midfield is interesting but Matty Donnelly has been one of the stand out players in Ireland this year, so I'd take him over Maher. Moran is superb but Colm does a great job in the "system", but plainly Moran is the better player. I think Kerry's half forward line is very over rated and is much of a muchness with Tyrone's although Conor Meyler and Mark Bradley will prove to be outstanding talents in the future. O'Brien is probably a better footballer than McCann but I haven't seen a lot of him. Granted only Sean Cavanagh would make the full forward line. So in my view, it's fairly lazy to write the Tyrone players off just because they play in a tactical system or maybe you just haven't seen very much of them. On my count I'd have 7 or 8 players with a few others very close.
Edit: Though I must admit, that's a fairly handy looking bench and might just be the winning of the game.
Oh goody, this will get me heated up a bit now at last.
McNamee over Enright or Marc? You're having a laugh! Have you watched Kerry's games so far where Enright has conceeded what, 1 point from play in 4 games..
Crowley is the Allstar centre back in case you missed last year..not 100% fit right now, but again. Jokeshop comment if you really think either McMahon over Crowley..Harte is an attacking half back/half forward (and a good one) so not comparable.
Midfield, you say Matty over Maher..well we'll see after Sunday I guess. Maher only woke up at semi final stage last year in fairness, but is highly effective on his day. Matty is going well. Probably a natural half forward.
The point you SHOULD have made is that these player ratings or whatever, don't win you games. Tactics, systems teamplay CAN. Tyrone have a very strong teamwork and workrate ethic, a clearly defined and honed system of play (like it or not) and thus will beat many teams with supposedly stronger talent available. Tyrone also have a top notch manager.
Someone suggested the Kerry team named may not start..I assure you it will. Fitzy doesn't do the dummy team thing really. The only time this was NOT the case was the panicky preparation to the Mayo replay last year, when to avoid the media frenzy that would have occured with Marc O'Sé being dropped, he made the change on the day.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 21, 2015, 12:14:52 AM
Morgan, Harte, Cavanagh and Donnelly and that's it. Don't be fooled by the Kerry defence having a lack of big name players. They are all good defenders in their own right. McMahon of a few years ago would have got in as well but that's only on past reputation rather than current form.
The reality is a system is only as good as the players that are in it . Tyrone have some fine players . They just don't have enough of them.
Kerry to win despite JOD and a few changes to the announced team . If Kerry manage their free concession count they will win. Tyrone don't score goals . 0-14 will be enough for Kerry
http://teamtalkmag.com/2015/08/video-this-is-not-a-jersey/
This will set the heart beating a little faster
Quote from: mick999 on August 20, 2015, 11:39:16 PM
Rachel Wyse Interview with Mickey Harte:
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/gaa/9957909/harte-hoping-to-conquer-the-kingdom
The grass was looking very yella, has it been dry at home?
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 21, 2015, 12:52:54 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 20, 2015, 11:51:48 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2015, 11:33:56 PM
When you compare the 2 sides Tyrone at a push have probably 4 players who would get into the Kerry team and Kerry have serious firepower on the bench as well. If Harte gets a win with this side then I'll eat my hat and admit that he is a tactical genius.
You see, this is were people fall into a misconception that because Tyrone play to a "system" that the players aren't particularly good. It takes good players to play a system effectively. But player by player I would argue that Tyrone match up fairly well. I'd take either of Tyrone's goal keepers over Kealy. I'd have McNamee and McCarron at this stage of their careers over any of the 3 Kerry full backs. McNabb v Lyne is 6 of one half a dozen of the other, but I'd have Justy (or Joe) and Petey Harte all day over Crowley and Young. Midfield is interesting but Matty Donnelly has been one of the stand out players in Ireland this year, so I'd take him over Maher. Moran is superb but Colm does a great job in the "system", but plainly Moran is the better player. I think Kerry's half forward line is very over rated and is much of a muchness with Tyrone's although Conor Meyler and Mark Bradley will prove to be outstanding talents in the future. O'Brien is probably a better footballer than McCann but I haven't seen a lot of him. Granted only Sean Cavanagh would make the full forward line. So in my view, it's fairly lazy to write the Tyrone players off just because they play in a tactical system or maybe you just haven't seen very much of them. On my count I'd have 7 or 8 players with a few others very close.
Edit: Though I must admit, that's a fairly handy looking bench and might just be the winning of the game.
Oh goody, this will get me heated up a bit now at last.
McNamee over Enright or Marc? You're having a laugh! Have you watched Kerry's games so far where Enright has conceeded what, 1 point from play in 4 games..
Crowley is the Allstar centre back in case you missed last year..not 100% fit right now, but again. Jokeshop comment if you really think either McMahon over Crowley..Harte is an attacking half back/half forward (and a good one) so not comparable.
Midfield, you say Matty over Maher..well we'll see after Sunday I guess. Maher only woke up at semi final stage last year in fairness, but is highly effective on his day. Matty is going well. Probably a natural half forward.
The point you SHOULD have made is that these player ratings or whatever, don't win you games. Tactics, systems teamplay CAN. Tyrone have a very strong teamwork and workrate ethic, a clearly defined and honed system of play (like it or not) and thus will beat many teams with supposedly stronger talent available. Tyrone also have a top notch manager.
Someone suggested the Kerry team named may not start..I assure you it will. Fitzy doesn't do the dummy team thing really. The only time this was NOT the case was the panicky preparation to the Mayo replay last year, when to avoid the media frenzy that would have occured with Marc O'Sé being dropped, he made the change on the day.
Well the two corner backs would be Enright (who is the best FB of the 6) and McCarron. FB is a toss up for me, athleticism and meanness v brains and experience, personally I would go for the former... but Im prob biased.
Also its Justin McMahon not Joe, he's injured still a tight call I admit. Hang on Joe's on the bench, what's the story? Thought he had surgery?
Personally if I was picking a team from all squads it would be this
Morgan
McCarron McNamee Enright
Crowley McMahon Harte
Moran Maher
Cavanagh Cooper Donnelly
O'Donoghue Donaghy McCurry
O'Neill O'Se Young McMahon Lyne/McNabb O'Mahoney Cavanagh Sheenan Walsh Keane O'Sullivan McAliskey Geaney
McMahon v Crowley could be vise versa BTW
That'd be my team interestingly out of the two HF lines only Walsh makes the squad!
So Kerry with undoubtedly the strongest panel (esp forwards) but marginally less players in the team, I think the teams are both well matched on paper.
But individual quality and positions is all an irrelevance. It will come down to team tactics, who enacts them best, hunger, and above all....FAITH!
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 01:13:45 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 21, 2015, 12:14:52 AM
Morgan, Harte, Cavanagh and Donnelly and that's it. Don't be fooled by the Kerry defence having a lack of big name players. They are all good defenders in their own right. McMahon of a few years ago would have got in as well but that's only on past reputation rather than current form.
The reality is a system is only as good as the players that are in it . Tyrone have some fine players . They just don't have enough of them.
Kerry to win despite JOD and a few changes to the announced team . If Kerry manage their free concession count they will win. Tyrone don't score goals . 0-14 will be enough for Kerry
The goals will come on Sunday, we have been creating many goal chances in those games,we've just opted for the points. We know we'll need to take goals on Sunday and we will. Kerry will have to notch up a 20+ score to beat us.
The winning of this game will be how difficult we find it to win primary possession from kick outs, it we don't get dominated in this area we will win. There's far more balance to us. I think people forget just how badly Kerry struggled to get scores against a defensive team like Donegal last year when they delivered their flattest performance of the Championship. The two goals owed themselves to huge slices of luck, the first a blocked down shot which found itself drop to Geaney and the second a horrendous unforced error from Durcan. Apart from that they really struggled in an attacking sense.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 21, 2015, 12:52:54 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 20, 2015, 11:51:48 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2015, 11:33:56 PM
When you compare the 2 sides Tyrone at a push have probably 4 players who would get into the Kerry team and Kerry have serious firepower on the bench as well. If Harte gets a win with this side then I'll eat my hat and admit that he is a tactical genius.
You see, this is were people fall into a misconception that because Tyrone play to a "system" that the players aren't particularly good. It takes good players to play a system effectively. But player by player I would argue that Tyrone match up fairly well. I'd take either of Tyrone's goal keepers over Kealy. I'd have McNamee and McCarron at this stage of their careers over any of the 3 Kerry full backs. McNabb v Lyne is 6 of one half a dozen of the other, but I'd have Justy (or Joe) and Petey Harte all day over Crowley and Young. Midfield is interesting but Matty Donnelly has been one of the stand out players in Ireland this year, so I'd take him over Maher. Moran is superb but Colm does a great job in the "system", but plainly Moran is the better player. I think Kerry's half forward line is very over rated and is much of a muchness with Tyrone's although Conor Meyler and Mark Bradley will prove to be outstanding talents in the future. O'Brien is probably a better footballer than McCann but I haven't seen a lot of him. Granted only Sean Cavanagh would make the full forward line. So in my view, it's fairly lazy to write the Tyrone players off just because they play in a tactical system or maybe you just haven't seen very much of them. On my count I'd have 7 or 8 players with a few others very close.
Edit: Though I must admit, that's a fairly handy looking bench and might just be the winning of the game.
Oh goody, this will get me heated up a bit now at last.
McNamee over Enright or Marc? You're having a laugh! Have you watched Kerry's games so far where Enright has conceeded what, 1 point from play in 4 games..
Crowley is the Allstar centre back in case you missed last year..not 100% fit right now, but again. Jokeshop comment if you really think either McMahon over Crowley..Harte is an attacking half back/half forward (and a good one) so not comparable.
Midfield, you say Matty over Maher..well we'll see after Sunday I guess. Maher only woke up at semi final stage last year in fairness, but is highly effective on his day. Matty is going well. Probably a natural half forward.
The point you SHOULD have made is that these player ratings or whatever, don't win you games. Tactics, systems teamplay CAN. Tyrone have a very strong teamwork and workrate ethic, a clearly defined and honed system of play (like it or not) and thus will beat many teams with supposedly stronger talent available. Tyrone also have a top notch manager.
Someone suggested the Kerry team named may not start..I assure you it will. Fitzy doesn't do the dummy team thing really. The only time this was NOT the case was the panicky preparation to the Mayo replay last year, when to avoid the media frenzy that would have occured with Marc O'Sé being dropped, he made the change on the day.
Excellent, it's not hard to get the old arrogant Kerry juices flowing, :D. Your defence has conceded 6 goals in a poor Munster championship, 2 to a decidedly average Tipp team, Marc O'Se is/was a good player but way past his best, you clearly know nothing about McNamee so there can't really be a debate here. But as a defender he is top notch and as a footballer, well, consider his point v Monaghan as an example of what he can do. McCarron before Enright is a personal opinion, not much in it in my view but certainly not enough to swaying the game.
You are massively under rating the McMahons here by the way. Crowley has had one decent year, I care little for the All Star selections as a judge of a player, (ask Brian McGuigan) but Justy, when fit is a rolls Royce defender and if you think its a joke shop to put him in the same category as Crowley then it's Kerry arrogance at its best.
Harte may well be an attacking half back but he is there and is definitely comparable, but if your pushing him up then it makes our half forward line much more effective than Kerry's where Donnacha Walsh and Buckley are distinctly average.
Maher v Donnelly? Yes indeed, let Sunday decide.
Usually I don't compare man for man as teamwork, tactics (system), heart and work rate can indeed beat a team of better players. But I'm sick of the line trotted out all week that Kerry just have better players than Tyrone, in my view, they are well matched. Kerry have a better squad, but there's not much it in. Remember, Kerry won last years All Ireland by playing to a system too and continue to do so. How else do you explain Walsh's position on the team over some much better ball players? Just because you have a green and gold jersey on, doesn't necessarily make you a better player. If Tyrone win on Sunday (and it's a big if) then we will hear analysts chat about the system and tactics etc. But if we win on Sunday it will be because we actually have some very good footballers.
Shades of 2003 here. Loads of people expecting a score fest. With goals being scored for both sides and point totals at +14. It was exactly the same in '03. Both Kerry and Tyrone had wracked up big scores on their way to the semi final that year. It was the reason I wanted to go to Croke Park to watch the game live. I also convinced a few mates to go as well. Suffice to say, they were not impressed with me.
I think Sunday's game could follow the same pattern with less than 24pts being scored between the two sides.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2015, 06:59:27 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 21, 2015, 12:52:54 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 20, 2015, 11:51:48 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2015, 11:33:56 PM
When you compare the 2 sides Tyrone at a push have probably 4 players who would get into the Kerry team and Kerry have serious firepower on the bench as well. If Harte gets a win with this side then I'll eat my hat and admit that he is a tactical genius.
You see, this is were people fall into a misconception that because Tyrone play to a "system" that the players aren't particularly good. It takes good players to play a system effectively. But player by player I would argue that Tyrone match up fairly well. I'd take either of Tyrone's goal keepers over Kealy. I'd have McNamee and McCarron at this stage of their careers over any of the 3 Kerry full backs. McNabb v Lyne is 6 of one half a dozen of the other, but I'd have Justy (or Joe) and Petey Harte all day over Crowley and Young. Midfield is interesting but Matty Donnelly has been one of the stand out players in Ireland this year, so I'd take him over Maher. Moran is superb but Colm does a great job in the "system", but plainly Moran is the better player. I think Kerry's half forward line is very over rated and is much of a muchness with Tyrone's although Conor Meyler and Mark Bradley will prove to be outstanding talents in the future. O'Brien is probably a better footballer than McCann but I haven't seen a lot of him. Granted only Sean Cavanagh would make the full forward line. So in my view, it's fairly lazy to write the Tyrone players off just because they play in a tactical system or maybe you just haven't seen very much of them. On my count I'd have 7 or 8 players with a few others very close.
Edit: Though I must admit, that's a fairly handy looking bench and might just be the winning of the game.
Oh goody, this will get me heated up a bit now at last.
McNamee over Enright or Marc? You're having a laugh! Have you watched Kerry's games so far where Enright has conceeded what, 1 point from play in 4 games..
Crowley is the Allstar centre back in case you missed last year..not 100% fit right now, but again. Jokeshop comment if you really think either McMahon over Crowley..Harte is an attacking half back/half forward (and a good one) so not comparable.
Midfield, you say Matty over Maher..well we'll see after Sunday I guess. Maher only woke up at semi final stage last year in fairness, but is highly effective on his day. Matty is going well. Probably a natural half forward.
The point you SHOULD have made is that these player ratings or whatever, don't win you games. Tactics, systems teamplay CAN. Tyrone have a very strong teamwork and workrate ethic, a clearly defined and honed system of play (like it or not) and thus will beat many teams with supposedly stronger talent available. Tyrone also have a top notch manager.
Someone suggested the Kerry team named may not start..I assure you it will. Fitzy doesn't do the dummy team thing really. The only time this was NOT the case was the panicky preparation to the Mayo replay last year, when to avoid the media frenzy that would have occured with Marc O'Sé being dropped, he made the change on the day.
Excellent, it's not hard to get the old arrogant Kerry juices flowing, :D. Your defence has conceded 6 goals in a poor Munster championship, 2 to a decidedly average Tipp team, Marc O'Se is/was a good player but way past his best, you clearly know nothing about McNamee so there can't really be a debate here. But as a defender he is top notch and as a footballer, well, consider his point v Monaghan as an example of what he can do. McCarron before Enright is a personal opinion, not much in it in my view but certainly not enough to swaying the game.
You are massively under rating the McMahons here by the way. Crowley has had one decent year, I care little for the All Star selections as a judge of a player, (ask Brian McGuigan) but Justy, when fit is a rolls Royce defender and if you think its a joke shop to put him in the same category as Crowley then it's Kerry arrogance at its best.
Harte may well be an attacking half back but he is there and is definitely comparable, but if your pushing him up then it makes our half forward line much more effective than Kerry's where Donnacha Walsh and Buckley are distinctly average.
Maher v Donnelly? Yes indeed, let Sunday decide.
Usually I don't compare man for man as teamwork, tactics (system), heart and work rate can indeed beat a team of better players. But I'm sick of the line trotted out all week that Kerry just have better players than Tyrone, in my view, they are well matched. Kerry have a better squad, but there's not much it in. Remember, Kerry won last years All Ireland by playing to a system too and continue to do so. How else do you explain Walsh's position on the team over some much better ball players? Just because you have a green and gold jersey on, doesn't necessarily make you a better player. If Tyrone win on Sunday (and it's a big if) then we will hear analysts chat about the system and tactics etc. But if we win on Sunday it will be because we actually have some very good footballers.
Jaysus, doesn't take much to get you lads going does it? ;)
Arrogance? Would you come off it. If you wanted to get offended by my post, away with you. I did not say "Kerry just have better players than Tyrone"..or anything like it, because I'm not Mike Sheehy (the poster, not the selector/player) and it's not true. Do you think I'm going to run down the quality of player in a squad containing Morgan, McCarron, Harte, Seán Cavanagh, Donnelly, McAliskey, McCurry etc? No, I am not.
Why are you assuming I know nothing about Ronan McNamee? That wouldn't be "arrogance" or anything would it?!
Quoting some stat from Munster c/ship is fine..but do you really think Kerry were going flat out at that time?
You slate Marc O'Sé, say he wouldn't make your composite team because he's past his best? Fair enough..although it doesn't appear he's slipping too much yet. Is Justy McMahon not possibly in the same boat would you say though?
Finally, Donnacha Walsh is in the Kerry team because he's a very good kick passer, possibly the best endurance runner we have available as a half forward aswell.
If the line that Kerry have better players is being trotted out all week in the media then you are right to be a bit miffed..doesn't make it true though. As for squad strength, well, you can only put 15 men on the field I guess!
Lets not go looking for excuses to get offended or anything now..at least not until Monday. ;)
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 21, 2015, 06:53:50 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 01:13:45 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 21, 2015, 12:14:52 AM
Morgan, Harte, Cavanagh and Donnelly and that's it. Don't be fooled by the Kerry defence having a lack of big name players. They are all good defenders in their own right. McMahon of a few years ago would have got in as well but that's only on past reputation rather than current form.
The reality is a system is only as good as the players that are in it . Tyrone have some fine players . They just don't have enough of them.
Kerry to win despite JOD and a few changes to the announced team . If Kerry manage their free concession count they will win. Tyrone don't score goals . 0-14 will be enough for Kerry
The goals will come on Sunday, we have been creating many goal chances in those games,we've just opted for the points. We know we'll need to take goals on Sunday and we will. Kerry will have to notch up a 20+ score to beat us.
The winning of this game will be how difficult we find it to win primary possession from kick outs, it we don't get dominated in this area we will win. There's far more balance to us. I think people forget just how badly Kerry struggled to get scores against a defensive team like Donegal last year when they delivered their flattest performance of the Championship. The two goals owed themselves to huge slices of luck, the first a blocked down shot which found itself drop to Geaney and the second a horrendous unforced error from Durcan. Apart from that they really struggled in an attacking sense.
All very dubious really..Kerry only got 11 scores in final last year due to a very uncharacteristic (for las year) off day in front of the posts..NOT because of a lack of scoring chances or attacks.
Kerry had more possessions, more attacks and more shots than Donegal last year. 33 shots, scoring only 7 from play. I would hope the conversion rate with a similar shot range on Sunday would be far higher.
;D I'm not offended at all! Just a discussion on the relative merits of the teams which is obviously subjective. It's clear we won't agree but Sunday will decide. It'll be close!
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Combined team.
(Away to get popcorm)
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 09:12:11 AM
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Combined team.
(Away to get popcorm)
Sure O'Mahony and Sheehan can't even get on the Kerry team! ;)
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 21, 2015, 06:53:50 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 01:13:45 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 21, 2015, 12:14:52 AM
Morgan, Harte, Cavanagh and Donnelly and that's it. Don't be fooled by the Kerry defence having a lack of big name players. They are all good defenders in their own right. McMahon of a few years ago would have got in as well but that's only on past reputation rather than current form.
The reality is a system is only as good as the players that are in it . Tyrone have some fine players . They just don't have enough of them.
Kerry to win despite JOD and a few changes to the announced team . If Kerry manage their free concession count they will win. Tyrone don't score goals . 0-14 will be enough for Kerry
The goals will come on Sunday, we have been creating many goal chances in those games,we've just opted for the points. We know we'll need to take goals on Sunday and we will. Kerry will have to notch up a 20+ score to beat us.
The winning of this game will be how difficult we find it to win primary possession from kick outs, it we don't get dominated in this area we will win. There's far more balance to us. I think people forget just how badly Kerry struggled to get scores against a defensive team like Donegal last year when they delivered their flattest performance of the Championship. The two goals owed themselves to huge slices of luck, the first a blocked down shot which found itself drop to Geaney and the second a horrendous unforced error from Durcan. Apart from that they really struggled in an attacking sense.
Take your free taking out of it and your scoring rates are poor enough . That's the problem with your system you need everything to go right on the day. Your half forward line plays so deep you rely on penetrating the half back line with runners from deep . That's easy to read for a top 4 team who just won't give you the room to do it
You don't create goal chances either. You've scored maybe one goal in croke park in about 3 years if say
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 09:40:01 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 21, 2015, 06:53:50 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 01:13:45 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 21, 2015, 12:14:52 AM
Morgan, Harte, Cavanagh and Donnelly and that's it. Don't be fooled by the Kerry defence having a lack of big name players. They are all good defenders in their own right. McMahon of a few years ago would have got in as well but that's only on past reputation rather than current form.
The reality is a system is only as good as the players that are in it . Tyrone have some fine players . They just don't have enough of them.
Kerry to win despite JOD and a few changes to the announced team . If Kerry manage their free concession count they will win. Tyrone don't score goals . 0-14 will be enough for Kerry
The goals will come on Sunday, we have been creating many goal chances in those games,we've just opted for the points. We know we'll need to take goals on Sunday and we will. Kerry will have to notch up a 20+ score to beat us.
The winning of this game will be how difficult we find it to win primary possession from kick outs, it we don't get dominated in this area we will win. There's far more balance to us. I think people forget just how badly Kerry struggled to get scores against a defensive team like Donegal last year when they delivered their flattest performance of the Championship. The two goals owed themselves to huge slices of luck, the first a blocked down shot which found itself drop to Geaney and the second a horrendous unforced error from Durcan. Apart from that they really struggled in an attacking sense.
Take your free taking out of it and your scoring rates are poor enough . That's the problem with your system you need everything to go right on the day. Your half forward line plays so deep you rely on penetrating the half back line with runners from deep . That's easy to read for a top 4 team who just won't give you the room to do it
You don't create goal chances either. You've scored maybe one goal in croke park in about 3 years if say
Ah well that's that then - we're fecked!!
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 09:40:01 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 21, 2015, 06:53:50 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 01:13:45 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 21, 2015, 12:14:52 AM
Morgan, Harte, Cavanagh and Donnelly and that's it. Don't be fooled by the Kerry defence having a lack of big name players. They are all good defenders in their own right. McMahon of a few years ago would have got in as well but that's only on past reputation rather than current form.
The reality is a system is only as good as the players that are in it . Tyrone have some fine players . They just don't have enough of them.
Kerry to win despite JOD and a few changes to the announced team . If Kerry manage their free concession count they will win. Tyrone don't score goals . 0-14 will be enough for Kerry
The goals will come on Sunday, we have been creating many goal chances in those games,we've just opted for the points. We know we'll need to take goals on Sunday and we will. Kerry will have to notch up a 20+ score to beat us.
The winning of this game will be how difficult we find it to win primary possession from kick outs, it we don't get dominated in this area we will win. There's far more balance to us. I think people forget just how badly Kerry struggled to get scores against a defensive team like Donegal last year when they delivered their flattest performance of the Championship. The two goals owed themselves to huge slices of luck, the first a blocked down shot which found itself drop to Geaney and the second a horrendous unforced error from Durcan. Apart from that they really struggled in an attacking sense.
Take your free taking out of it and your scoring rates are poor enough . That's the problem with your system you need everything to go right on the day. Your half forward line plays so deep you rely on penetrating the half back line with runners from deep . That's easy to read for a top 4 team who just won't give you the room to do it
You don't create goal chances either. You've scored maybe one goal in croke park in about 3 years if say
Why would you take free's out of it? I'd imagine they'll still count on Sunday. Tyrone scored 10 from play against Monaghan. Not a bad return against a defensive team. Goals is an issue. Maybe one of our forwards can have his Mulligan moment that sparks their season. I expect to see goals on Sunday, and I'm hoping Tyrone can provide them.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 09:12:11 AM
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Combined team.
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That's a poor effort in fairness.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 09:54:07 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 09:40:01 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 21, 2015, 06:53:50 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 01:13:45 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 21, 2015, 12:14:52 AM
Morgan, Harte, Cavanagh and Donnelly and that's it. Don't be fooled by the Kerry defence having a lack of big name players. They are all good defenders in their own right. McMahon of a few years ago would have got in as well but that's only on past reputation rather than current form.
The reality is a system is only as good as the players that are in it . Tyrone have some fine players . They just don't have enough of them.
Kerry to win despite JOD and a few changes to the announced team . If Kerry manage their free concession count they will win. Tyrone don't score goals . 0-14 will be enough for Kerry
The goals will come on Sunday, we have been creating many goal chances in those games,we've just opted for the points. We know we'll need to take goals on Sunday and we will. Kerry will have to notch up a 20+ score to beat us.
The winning of this game will be how difficult we find it to win primary possession from kick outs, it we don't get dominated in this area we will win. There's far more balance to us. I think people forget just how badly Kerry struggled to get scores against a defensive team like Donegal last year when they delivered their flattest performance of the Championship. The two goals owed themselves to huge slices of luck, the first a blocked down shot which found itself drop to Geaney and the second a horrendous unforced error from Durcan. Apart from that they really struggled in an attacking sense.
Take your free taking out of it and your scoring rates are poor enough . That's the problem with your system you need everything to go right on the day. Your half forward line plays so deep you rely on penetrating the half back line with runners from deep . That's easy to read for a top 4 team who just won't give you the room to do it
You don't create goal chances either. You've scored maybe one goal in croke park in about 3 years if say
Why would you take free's out of it? I'd imagine they'll still count on Sunday. Tyrone scored 10 from play against Monaghan. Not a bad return against a defensive team. Goals is an issue. Maybe one of our forwards can have his Mulligan moment that sparks their season. I expect to see goals on Sunday, and I'm hoping Tyrone can provide them.
You've one natural goal scorer on the team in Mc Curry. I don't like your odds. Kerry forwards can all score and from range and they have the cavalry on the bench too. They can use Tommy Walsh to change up the game as well if they want. 0-14 will be enough for Kerry and in my opinion they'll get it too. You don't have a dominant midfield either which means you're relying on breaking ball all day long- which is the lap of the Gods stuff in fairness with so many bodies around midfield.
No matter what way you look at it I can't see a Tyrone win. Fair play to you if you pull it off but I can't see it. There is no compelling reason either based on your system or your match ups on how you can win this game unless Kerry completely implode. Maybe they will. Suits us if they do in Dublin anyway!
But Tyrone aren't as reliant on their forwards to score. Tyrone defence and midfields have scored 2-23 already. The system they play brings more scorers in rather than relying on set forwards. That's what Tyrone's system is. They don't need a prolific forward.
With regards to the break ball, it's certainly not lap of the god stuff. That's 10 year old thinking.
I personally think we have a good chance. Definitely underdogs, but a good chance none the least.
Our best man at getting goals can barely get a look in (Ronan O'Neill). I have yet to see anything from Tommy Walsh that suggests he could have a big influence.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 21, 2015, 12:25:57 AM
Who will you be supporting yellow card?
Neither, I have no great love for either county if I'm being honest.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 10:17:02 AM
But Tyrone aren't as reliant on their forwards to score. Tyrone defence and midfields have scored 2-23 already. The system they play brings more scorers in rather than relying on set forwards. That's what Tyrone's system is. They don't need a prolific forward.
With regards to the break ball, it's certainly not lap of the god stuff. That's 10 year old thinking.
I personally think we have a good chance. Definitely underdogs, but a good chance none the least.
Is that 2-23 from the six games? Not particularly mind blowing considering the opposition tbf, but not bad either. Is Harte included as one of the defence in that?
That includes Donegal and Monaghan. Two of the most defensive teams playing. Harte would be included in those. I would see it as fairly strong.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 10:26:58 AM
That includes Donegal and Monaghan. Two of the most defensive teams playing. Harte would be included in those. I would see it as fairly strong.
I didn't phrase my post particularly well - it's certainly a good return.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 10:17:02 AM
But Tyrone aren't as reliant on their forwards to score. Tyrone defence and midfields have scored 2-23 already. The system they play brings more scorers in rather than relying on set forwards. That's what Tyrone's system is. They don't need a prolific forward.
With regards to the break ball, it's certainly not lap of the god stuff. That's 10 year old thinking.
I personally think we have a good chance. Definitely underdogs, but a good chance none the least.
It's lap of the God's stuff when David Moran and Anthony Maher are standing out there like two totem poles. Once Kerry push up on you- you'll have to break every ball. All Kerry have to do is put enough bodies around the breaking ball and once they break even they'll win the game. Do you honestly think Fitzmaurice is going to leave you spare men around the middle so your lads can bat the ball down to them ;D
You've scored 2-23 against non top 4 teams. Whether you like it or not Sligo, Meath, Tipperary , etc they aren't mapped at this level in terms of winning All Irelands. They leak scores because they play at a low level. The idea that Kerry are going to allow Mattie Donnelly and Peter Harte work their telegraphed moves from deep like they have in the last 4-5 games is absurd.
You rarely ever kick it long into the inside forwards and that's the way to beat this Kerry team. You can stretch their defence by kicking it but when you're playing so defensively you have to run the ball up the pitch the whole time and against good teams- it's predictable.
That's why I can't see you winning- to date you've played completely the wrong system to beat this Kerry team. You must stretch the defence and get the 35 year olds running. But you won't do it by handpassing. So let's hope Mickey has come up with something - because he'll need to.
Best of luck because you'll need it. And for once kick the bloody ball.
Indiana, I agree with a lot of what you've said there, but I also think this Kerry team can be run at, if you move the ball at pace on a counter attack. Heart of the defence can be got at of you run at them at pace, and I'd expect Tyrone to try to do just that.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 10:46:15 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 10:17:02 AM
But Tyrone aren't as reliant on their forwards to score. Tyrone defence and midfields have scored 2-23 already. The system they play brings more scorers in rather than relying on set forwards. That's what Tyrone's system is. They don't need a prolific forward.
With regards to the break ball, it's certainly not lap of the god stuff. That's 10 year old thinking.
I personally think we have a good chance. Definitely underdogs, but a good chance none the least.
It's lap of the God's stuff when David Moran and Anthony Maher are standing out there like two totem poles. Once Kerry push up on you- you'll have to break every ball. All Kerry have to do is put enough bodies around the breaking ball and once they break even they'll win the game. Do you honestly think Fitzmaurice is going to leave you spare men around the middle so your lads can bat the ball down to them ;D
You've scored 2-23 against non top 4 teams. Whether you like it or not Sligo, Meath, Tipperary , etc they aren't mapped at this level in terms of winning All Irelands. They leak scores because they play at a low level. The idea that Kerry are going to allow Mattie Donnelly and Peter Harte work their telegraphed moves from deep like they have in the last 4-5 games is absurd.
You rarely ever kick it long into the inside forwards and that's the way to beat this Kerry team. You can stretch their defence by kicking it but when you're playing so defensively you have to run the ball up the pitch the whole time and against good teams- it's predictable.
That's why I can't see you winning- to date you've played completely the wrong system to beat this Kerry team. You must stretch the defence and get the 35 year olds running. But you won't do it by handpassing. So let's hope Mickey has come up with something - because he'll need to.
Best of luck because you'll need it. And for once kick the bloody ball.
I agree that tyrone supporters are getting a bit carried away as to be fair they haven't really come up against one of the top sides. I also think kerry will push up on the tyrone kickout which will put a lot of pressure on tyrone. Having said that tyrone may cause kerry problems with their running game because they are better at it than other teams who play that way. They do it better because they have real pace and also they are good at switching the play and changing the angle of the attack. I am interested to see how kerry try to counteract it as monaghan were completely unable to often allowing tyrone to go the whole length of the pitch with 4 or 5 handpasses leading to scores without even a tackle put in on any of the players or any pressure.
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Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 10:46:15 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 10:17:02 AM
But Tyrone aren't as reliant on their forwards to score. Tyrone defence and midfields have scored 2-23 already. The system they play brings more scorers in rather than relying on set forwards. That's what Tyrone's system is. They don't need a prolific forward.
With regards to the break ball, it's certainly not lap of the god stuff. That's 10 year old thinking.
I personally think we have a good chance. Definitely underdogs, but a good chance none the least.
It's lap of the God's stuff when David Moran and Anthony Maher are standing out there like two totem poles. Once Kerry push up on you- you'll have to break every ball. All Kerry have to do is put enough bodies around the breaking ball and once they break even they'll win the game. Do you honestly think Fitzmaurice is going to leave you spare men around the middle so your lads can bat the ball down to them ;D
You've scored 2-23 against non top 4 teams. Whether you like it or not Sligo, Meath, Tipperary , etc they aren't mapped at this level in terms of winning All Irelands. They leak scores because they play at a low level. The idea that Kerry are going to allow Mattie Donnelly and Peter Harte work their telegraphed moves from deep like they have in the last 4-5 games is absurd.
You rarely ever kick it long into the inside forwards and that's the way to beat this Kerry team. You can stretch their defence by kicking it but when you're playing so defensively you have to run the ball up the pitch the whole time and against good teams- it's predictable.
That's why I can't see you winning- to date you've played completely the wrong system to beat this Kerry team. You must stretch the defence and get the 35 year olds running. But you won't do it by handpassing. So let's hope Mickey has come up with something - because he'll need to.
Best of luck because you'll need it. And for once kick the bloody ball.
I agree that tyrone supporters are getting a bit carried away as to be fair they haven't really come up against one of the top sides. I also think kerry will push up on the tyrone kickout which will put a lot of pressure on tyrone. Having said that tyrone may cause kerry problems with their running game because they are better at it than other teams who play that way. They do it better because they have real pace and also they are good at switching the play and changing the angle of the attack. I am interested to see how kerry try to counteract it as monaghan were completely unable to often allowing tyrone to go the whole length of the pitch with 4 or 5 handpasses leading to scores without even a tackle put in on any of the players or any pressure.
The kickouts certainly are going to be an interesting part of the game Kerry have set out to dominate the middle sector bringing in buckley to add to their mid field sector they also will push up on morgan not allowing him to give the short kick outs. Where as at the other end tyrone may opt to let Kerry work it out short by crowding out the Kerry midfield sector. Tyrone have won all Irelands before with inferior mid field sectors.
For the first time since poor Michaela's passing (RIP), Mickey seems to have his mojo back, and I would expect that footballing brain to have been working overtime since this fixture was first pencilled in.
Expect the unexpected, tactics-wise, that would be wise ;)
I think Monaghan geared their gameplan to play Donegal and it worked perfectly for them. They really didn't see what Tyrone were going to do to them and Tyrone just drove straight at them from start to finish and they were like rabbits in headlights.
Kerrry's players are in a different league to Monaghan's and they have one of the most astute managers about. It's hard to see a way they don't win this other than their defence isn't watertight. They'v conceded 6 goals this campaign to Tyrone's 1 which is a small advantage to Tyrone.
The other way to look at it is they were looking to peak in August and well there last performance was as near flawless as you can get.
I still fancy the great footballers of our Country to beat the newbie neerdowell's and restore a bit of pride and proper football to this years Championship. Kerry by 5!
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 10:46:15 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 10:17:02 AM
But Tyrone aren't as reliant on their forwards to score. Tyrone defence and midfields have scored 2-23 already. The system they play brings more scorers in rather than relying on set forwards. That's what Tyrone's system is. They don't need a prolific forward.
With regards to the break ball, it's certainly not lap of the god stuff. That's 10 year old thinking.
I personally think we have a good chance. Definitely underdogs, but a good chance none the least.
It's lap of the God's stuff when David Moran and Anthony Maher are standing out there like two totem poles. Once Kerry push up on you- you'll have to break every ball. All Kerry have to do is put enough bodies around the breaking ball and once they break even they'll win the game. Do you honestly think Fitzmaurice is going to leave you spare men around the middle so your lads can bat the ball down to them ;D
You've scored 2-23 against non top 4 teams. Whether you like it or not Sligo, Meath, Tipperary , etc they aren't mapped at this level in terms of winning All Irelands. They leak scores because they play at a low level. The idea that Kerry are going to allow Mattie Donnelly and Peter Harte work their telegraphed moves from deep like they have in the last 4-5 games is absurd.
You rarely ever kick it long into the inside forwards and that's the way to beat this Kerry team. You can stretch their defence by kicking it but when you're playing so defensively you have to run the ball up the pitch the whole time and against good teams- it's predictable.
That's why I can't see you winning- to date you've played completely the wrong system to beat this Kerry team. You must stretch the defence and get the 35 year olds running. But you won't do it by handpassing. So let's hope Mickey has come up with something - because he'll need to.
Best of luck because you'll need it. And for once kick the bloody ball.
But in Morgan they have a keeper similar to rival Cluxton with regards to his kickouts. It's one of Tyrone's strongest strengths. They go from kick out to attack very quickly, and that all stems from Morgan's ability to find space with his kick outs. And yes Kerry can push up, but if they push up on the sweepers that's causing problems at the other end of the pitch with loads of space to move the ball into. Morgans kick outs won't be high balls down the middle. they'll be to the wings and into space for the Tyrone players to run onto. Perhaps Kerry can close this down, but I think in doing so, it'll change the way they play as well. And that doesn't always have a positive effect either.
By the way, Kerry's run in hasn't been anything above Tyrone. Kildare and Cork wouldn't be any better than Donegal/ Monaghan, in fact I'd argue Donegal and Monaghan were at a higher level.
I would say the six goals conceded thing is a slight red herring.
I presume people would have watched the drawn Munster final and will have noticed that Kerry lined up more or less just as 15 despite it being very clear that Cork attacking with ball in hand from the halfback line was going to be the big threat. They conceded three in that game.
I don't know if the Tipperary match was on TV but it was the same set up from Kerry and they conceded two.
It would be hard to imagine Kerry were envisaging playing six backs marking six forwards for the whole year, and I would suspect the Munster replay and the Kildare game where we played much more of a defensive 'system' is closer to the mark.
Kerry certainly don't have the most watertight defence but I would think they will be a bit more savvy about dealing with runners at this stage of the year.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 12:09:51 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 10:46:15 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 10:17:02 AM
But Tyrone aren't as reliant on their forwards to score. Tyrone defence and midfields have scored 2-23 already. The system they play brings more scorers in rather than relying on set forwards. That's what Tyrone's system is. They don't need a prolific forward.
With regards to the break ball, it's certainly not lap of the god stuff. That's 10 year old thinking.
I personally think we have a good chance. Definitely underdogs, but a good chance none the least.
It's lap of the God's stuff when David Moran and Anthony Maher are standing out there like two totem poles. Once Kerry push up on you- you'll have to break every ball. All Kerry have to do is put enough bodies around the breaking ball and once they break even they'll win the game. Do you honestly think Fitzmaurice is going to leave you spare men around the middle so your lads can bat the ball down to them ;D
You've scored 2-23 against non top 4 teams. Whether you like it or not Sligo, Meath, Tipperary , etc they aren't mapped at this level in terms of winning All Irelands. They leak scores because they play at a low level. The idea that Kerry are going to allow Mattie Donnelly and Peter Harte work their telegraphed moves from deep like they have in the last 4-5 games is absurd.
You rarely ever kick it long into the inside forwards and that's the way to beat this Kerry team. You can stretch their defence by kicking it but when you're playing so defensively you have to run the ball up the pitch the whole time and against good teams- it's predictable.
That's why I can't see you winning- to date you've played completely the wrong system to beat this Kerry team. You must stretch the defence and get the 35 year olds running. But you won't do it by handpassing. So let's hope Mickey has come up with something - because he'll need to.
Best of luck because you'll need it. And for once kick the bloody ball.
But in Morgan they have a keeper similar to rival Cluxton with regards to his kickouts. It's one of Tyrone's strongest strengths. They go from kick out to attack very quickly, and that all stems from Morgan's ability to find space with his kick outs. And yes Kerry can push up, but if they push up on the sweepers that's causing problems at the other end of the pitch with loads of space to move the ball into. Morgans kick outs won't be high balls down the middle. they'll be to the wings and into space for the Tyrone players to run onto. Perhaps Kerry can close this down, but I think in doing so, it'll change the way they play as well. And that doesn't always have a positive effect either.
By the way, Kerry's run in hasn't been anything above Tyrone. Kildare and Cork wouldn't be any better than Donegal/ Monaghan, in fact I'd argue Donegal and Monaghan were at a higher level.
But you don't kick the ball so even if Kerry do leave space there they will have plenty of time to get back . It's hard to change a system in two weeks. I've watched your last 4-5 games and it's not even a mixture of long and short ball . It's all short. When players spend 9 months wired to play a certain way it's hard to change it in a week.
You don't even transition from the back like Dublin with a foot pass it's all hand passing . Maybe the odd 15-20 yard pass. But nothing to stretch a defence . You will have to radically alter your system to win this game . Tough going in two weeks . Plus no Canavans , stephen O Neil's etc genius levels to win a game on their own
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 12:09:51 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 10:46:15 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 10:17:02 AM
But Tyrone aren't as reliant on their forwards to score. Tyrone defence and midfields have scored 2-23 already. The system they play brings more scorers in rather than relying on set forwards. That's what Tyrone's system is. They don't need a prolific forward.
With regards to the break ball, it's certainly not lap of the god stuff. That's 10 year old thinking.
I personally think we have a good chance. Definitely underdogs, but a good chance none the least.
It's lap of the God's stuff when David Moran and Anthony Maher are standing out there like two totem poles. Once Kerry push up on you- you'll have to break every ball. All Kerry have to do is put enough bodies around the breaking ball and once they break even they'll win the game. Do you honestly think Fitzmaurice is going to leave you spare men around the middle so your lads can bat the ball down to them ;D
You've scored 2-23 against non top 4 teams. Whether you like it or not Sligo, Meath, Tipperary , etc they aren't mapped at this level in terms of winning All Irelands. They leak scores because they play at a low level. The idea that Kerry are going to allow Mattie Donnelly and Peter Harte work their telegraphed moves from deep like they have in the last 4-5 games is absurd.
You rarely ever kick it long into the inside forwards and that's the way to beat this Kerry team. You can stretch their defence by kicking it but when you're playing so defensively you have to run the ball up the pitch the whole time and against good teams- it's predictable.
That's why I can't see you winning- to date you've played completely the wrong system to beat this Kerry team. You must stretch the defence and get the 35 year olds running. But you won't do it by handpassing. So let's hope Mickey has come up with something - because he'll need to.
Best of luck because you'll need it. And for once kick the bloody ball.
But in Morgan they have a keeper similar to rival Cluxton with regards to his kickouts. It's one of Tyrone's strongest strengths. They go from kick out to attack very quickly, and that all stems from Morgan's ability to find space with his kick outs. And yes Kerry can push up, but if they push up on the sweepers that's causing problems at the other end of the pitch with loads of space to move the ball into. Morgans kick outs won't be high balls down the middle. they'll be to the wings and into space for the Tyrone players to run onto. Perhaps Kerry can close this down, but I think in doing so, it'll change the way they play as well. And that doesn't always have a positive effect either.
By the way, Kerry's run in hasn't been anything above Tyrone. Kildare and Cork wouldn't be any better than Donegal/ Monaghan, in fact I'd argue Donegal and Monaghan were at a higher level.
But you didn't beat Donegal . And even they pierced your massed defence by running in behind you. In the light of the Mayo and Galway games Donegal don't exactly look formidable opposition. True Kerry haven't beaten much but teams with scoring forwards are hard to beat .
I think if you have a good performance on Sunday it's been a good year . I think Tyrone have huge potential with this team but it's not this year in my view
I'm not disagreeing with you. A lot of it is handpassing. But it forward handpassing. Not the side to side stuff. That article that I posted earlier had this, and I totally agree with it.
QuoteSo in respect of all that Tyrone are often moving from their own full-back line, or a kick-out situation, to converting a score, all within 20 seconds (some scoring movements were as short as six and eight seconds)and with just three or four phases involved.
And Tyrone have great runners with the ball in Harte, Cavanagh, Donnelly etc. Better than some people give credit for. Kerry might be able to nullify this, but doing so will affect their play as well. We just don't know, but I'm more optimistic at this stage anyway. ;D
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 12:20:29 PM
But you don't kick the ball so even if Kerry do leave space there they will have plenty of time to get back . It's hard to change a system in two weeks. I've watched your last 4-5 games and it's not even a mixture of long and short ball . It's all short. When players spend 9 months wired to play a certain way it's hard to change it in a week.
You don't even transition from the back like Dublin with a foot pass it's all hand passing . Maybe the odd 15-20 yard pass. But nothing to stretch a defence . You will have to radically alter your system to win this game . Tough going in two weeks . Plus no Canavans , stephen O Neil's etc genius levels to win a game on their own
The issue will be the speed at which they get the ball from back to front stopping Kerry funnelling back quickly enough.
Eamonn Donoghue had an interesting article in the Examiner saying Tyrone's scores against Monaghan took something like an average of 20 seconds. They may not kick the ball, but the have no problem with the speed at which they can move it.
The area of interest here is the fact that most of their scores came from Morgan finding a free man in his own half from where they burned up the pitch. If Kerry push up effectively on those kicks it will make it much harder for these attacking pods to form.
If they try to push up and do a bad job of it Tyrone will be capable of getting a lot of scores.
EDIT: I see someone else had already mentioned the article, carry on
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 12:27:58 PM
I'm not disagreeing with you. A lot of it is handpassing. But it forward handpassing. Not the side to side stuff. That article that I posted earlier had this, and I totally agree with it.
And Tyrone have great runners with the ball in Harte, Cavanagh, Donnelly etc. Better than some people give credit for. Kerry might be able to nullify this, but doing so will affect their play as well. We just don't know, but I'm more optimistic at this stage anyway. ;D
I think if Kerry can shut down Donnelly and Harte that's the game. Looking forward to seeing how they will try to go about it.
Someone mentioned Killian Young marked Harte to good effect in 12 so maybe they'll try the same again. Presume Walsh will be stationed on Donnelly's side.
Hopefully Deegan pays attention to Walsh and O'Brien as they are foul machines, unlikely I'd imagine.
Quote from: Keane on August 21, 2015, 12:30:36 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 12:27:58 PM
I'm not disagreeing with you. A lot of it is handpassing. But it forward handpassing. Not the side to side stuff. That article that I posted earlier had this, and I totally agree with it.
And Tyrone have great runners with the ball in Harte, Cavanagh, Donnelly etc. Better than some people give credit for. Kerry might be able to nullify this, but doing so will affect their play as well. We just don't know, but I'm more optimistic at this stage anyway. ;D
I think if Kerry can shut down Donnelly and Harte that's the game. Looking forward to seeing how they will try to go about it.
Someone mentioned Killian Young marked Harte to good effect in 12 so maybe they'll try the same again. Presume Walsh will be stationed on Donnelly's side.
Think Harte started that game in HF if I remember right. from memory was that the game he had a mare on frees?
People are talking about pushing up on Tyrone's kick outs like its a fail safe way to stop all of Tyrone's attacks. As if Mickey hasn't thought that Kerry might do this, in fact I think he will be delighted if they do. Firstly, it means the game is being played on Tyrone's terms, secondly, bar Cluxton we have the most accurate keeper from kick outs in the country, the alternative to short kicks is not to hoof it down the middle and leave it in "the lap of the Gods" (schoolboy analysis). Morgan will place it to on running players, Kerry will need to be very switched on as every player bar I'd say McAliskey and McCurry will be potential targets here. We may even see Paudie McNulty at some point from wing forward a la Cavlan in 2003 as a target. Thirdly, if Kerry do push up, they better be effective in the tackle as it was be great for Tyrone if McAliskey and McCurry are left with a bit of space to work inside. Fourthly, pushing up makes our defensive half very conjested - this is better for a defence than an attack. Also, I don't think Tyrone will contest midfield at all on Kerry's kick out. Colm Cavanagh will retreat yo the corner of the D along with nearly everyone else and invite Kerry on and encourage them to kick from distance. If Kerry can kick 15 or so long range points then they'll probably win the game - but that's not easy though. Monaghan scored some brilliant points but they weren't coming regularly enough.
My feeling is that Kerry won't push up on Tyrone. They will play them at their own game like they did v Donegal and sit back, stifle Tyrone and win the game by keeping it a dog fight and expect to be more accurate than Tyrone when the chances arise. I think Kerry will win but only by a point or two and if it's close going into the last few minutes I think Kerry may just be the more jittery of the two.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 01:54:19 PM
Think Harte started that game in HF if I remember right. from memory was that the game he had a mare on frees?
I don't remember re:frees. If Harte lines out more as a HB than HF on Sunday I find it hard to know how they will try to keep him quiet. Probably in that case Walsh will play on his side and keep an eye.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2015, 02:05:50 PM
People are talking about pushing up on Tyrone's kick outs like its a fail safe way to stop all of Tyrone's attacks. As if Mickey hasn't thought that Kerry might do this, in fact I think he will be delighted if they do. Firstly, it means the game is being played on Tyrone's terms, secondly, bar Cluxton we have the most accurate keeper from kick outs in the country, the alternative to short kicks is not to hoof it down the middle and leave it in "the lap of the Gods" (schoolboy analysis). Morgan will place it to on running players, Kerry will need to be very switched on as every player bar I'd say McAliskey and McCurry will be potential targets here. We may even see Paudie McNulty at some point from wing forward a la Cavlan in 2003 as a target. Thirdly, if Kerry do push up, they better be effective in the tackle as it was be great for Tyrone if McAliskey and McCurry are left with a bit of space to work inside. Fourthly, pushing up makes our defensive half very conjested - this is better for a defence than an attack. Also, I don't think Tyrone will contest midfield at all on Kerry's kick out. Colm Cavanagh will retreat yo the corner of the D along with nearly everyone else and invite Kerry on and encourage them to kick from distance. If Kerry can kick 15 or so long range points then they'll probably win the game - but that's not easy though. Monaghan scored some brilliant points but they weren't coming regularly enough.
My feeling is that Kerry won't push up on Tyrone. They will play them at their own game like they did v Donegal and sit back, stifle Tyrone and win the game by keeping it a dog fight and expect to be more accurate than Tyrone when the chances arise. I think Kerry will win but only by a point or two and if it's close going into the last few minutes I think Kerry may just be the more jittery of the two.
That all falls down because Mc Aliskey and mc curry aren't Canavan and O Neill. They are two very good players but outside free taking they are not good enough to carry the scoring burden of the team.
I don't think based on your posts you've the slightest idea what you're up against on Sunday . But you will after 25 minutes.
For Tyrone to win Kerry need a midfield meltdown , an off day in front of the posts and a poor day in terms of work rate and tackle count and give away extensive frees to allow Tyrone put up a winning score . There are far too many variables there. You still haven't explained any aspect of how you expect to transition from defence to attack at a fast enough rate to expose any potential weakness in the Kerry defence .
To be fair Indiana, you just can't see past a Kerry win. Which is fine, but I personally think you're underestimating Tyrone. Tyrone have two strong midfielders themselves (Yes in different ways to Kerry's) so I don't expect Tyrone to be cleaned out in midfield. Both Colm and Mattie if they finish the season well could be considered for All stars.
The stats are already there to explain how Tyrone have broken from defence to attack at speed. It shouldn't really need anymore explanation.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 02:37:06 PM
To be fair Indiana, you just can't see past a Kerry win. Which is fine, but I personally think you're underestimating Tyrone. Tyrone have two strong midfielders themselves (Yes in different ways to Kerry's) so I don't expect Tyrone to be cleaned out in midfield. Both Colm and Mattie if they finish the season well could be considered for All stars.
The stats are already there to explain how Tyrone have broken from defence to attack at speed. It shouldn't really need anymore explanation.
A concern for Tyrone would be that they only won 70% of their own kickouts against Monaghan who didn't actually put all that much energy into stopping the short ones.
Monaghan won all but one of their own kickouts as Tyrone allowed them. Hard to think they would be willing to concede all Kerry's kickouts.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 02:37:06 PM
To be fair Indiana, you just can't see past a Kerry win. Which is fine, but I personally think you're underestimating Tyrone. Tyrone have two strong midfielders themselves (Yes in different ways to Kerry's) so I don't expect Tyrone to be cleaned out in midfield. Both Colm and Mattie if they finish the season well could be considered for All stars.
The stats are already there to explain how Tyrone have broken from defence to attack at speed. It shouldn't really need anymore explanation.
I rate this Tyrone team very highly . In 12 months time .
I think mickey setup his team to get to the last 4. You can't win an AI playing like this in my opinion . Good performance on Sunday and it's been a good year . If he pulls it off he is a miracle worker but I can't see it this time round
Have been reading this thread for a while and a common theme seems to be that Fitzmaurice is some sort of guru - words used like 'astute' to describe his managerial style. Whilst I appreciate he has won an AI, I cant for the life of me understand how he gained this reputation.
In last years AI final, he had to change system or he would have been destroyed like the Dubs 4 weeks earlier so that was a no brainer - he had to do it...after doing it Kerry got a goal in minute 1 and a goal handed to them from Durcan to win the game - they only scored 9 points...I don't think it was a tactical master class, it was a necessity to try and win the game and kudos for doing that but that doesn't mean he is some sort of genius.
This year to date, it took a Paudie Hughes howler of a decision to keep them alive against Cork on day 1 plus a Hail Mary of an attempt by Fionn Fitzgerald to draw the game - we have seen since that Cork were indeed limited and exposed big time by Kildare. Yes, they won the replay but all factors were in their favour, home venue etc...
I possibly will be proved wrong and will happily admit that come Monday morning but you need to win more than one AI before you can be deemed a managerial great...consider the personnel at his disposal and he would need to get AI's on a regular basis!
Please don't come back saying Donegal Jim only won 1 AI as it is totally different - one started off managing a well established top 4 county (Kerry) and when McGuinness took over, Donegal were near the bottom 4 never mind the top 4. Absolutely no comparison...
Backlash expected .....
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 02:55:25 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 02:37:06 PM
To be fair Indiana, you just can't see past a Kerry win. Which is fine, but I personally think you're underestimating Tyrone. Tyrone have two strong midfielders themselves (Yes in different ways to Kerry's) so I don't expect Tyrone to be cleaned out in midfield. Both Colm and Mattie if they finish the season well could be considered for All stars.
The stats are already there to explain how Tyrone have broken from defence to attack at speed. It shouldn't really need anymore explanation.
I rate this Tyrone team very highly . In 12 months time .
I think mickey setup his team to get to the last 4. You can't win an AI playing like this in my opinion . Good performance on Sunday and it's been a good year . If he pulls it off he is a miracle worker but I can't see it this time round
This may not be the case. Tyrone have a fully fit squad at the moment. We don't know what next year will bring in retirements or injuries.
Tyrone have improved a lot since the Donegal game, and I would be confident of beating Donegal if we had to play them now. Kerry are a step up on Donegal, I just hope Tyrone have improved since the Monaghan match, like the way there has been improvement between matches before Monaghan. Hopefully we are good to take this chance now.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 02:19:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2015, 02:05:50 PM
People are talking about pushing up on Tyrone's kick outs like its a fail safe way to stop all of Tyrone's attacks. As if Mickey hasn't thought that Kerry might do this, in fact I think he will be delighted if they do. Firstly, it means the game is being played on Tyrone's terms, secondly, bar Cluxton we have the most accurate keeper from kick outs in the country, the alternative to short kicks is not to hoof it down the middle and leave it in "the lap of the Gods" (schoolboy analysis). Morgan will place it to on running players, Kerry will need to be very switched on as every player bar I'd say McAliskey and McCurry will be potential targets here. We may even see Paudie McNulty at some point from wing forward a la Cavlan in 2003 as a target. Thirdly, if Kerry do push up, they better be effective in the tackle as it was be great for Tyrone if McAliskey and McCurry are left with a bit of space to work inside. Fourthly, pushing up makes our defensive half very conjested - this is better for a defence than an attack. Also, I don't think Tyrone will contest midfield at all on Kerry's kick out. Colm Cavanagh will retreat yo the corner of the D along with nearly everyone else and invite Kerry on and encourage them to kick from distance. If Kerry can kick 15 or so long range points then they'll probably win the game - but that's not easy though. Monaghan scored some brilliant points but they weren't coming regularly enough.
My feeling is that Kerry won't push up on Tyrone. They will play them at their own game like they did v Donegal and sit back, stifle Tyrone and win the game by keeping it a dog fight and expect to be more accurate than Tyrone when the chances arise. I think Kerry will win but only by a point or two and if it's close going into the last few minutes I think Kerry may just be the more jittery of the two.
That all falls down because Mc Aliskey and mc curry aren't Canavan and O Neill. They are two very good players but outside free taking they are not good enough to carry the scoring burden of the team.
I don't think based on your posts you've the slightest idea what you're up against on Sunday . But you will after 25 minutes.
For Tyrone to win Kerry need a midfield meltdown , an off day in front of the posts and a poor day in terms of work rate and tackle count and give away extensive frees to allow Tyrone put up a winning score . There are far too many variables there. You still haven't explained any aspect of how you expect to transition from defence to attack at a fast enough rate to expose any potential weakness in the Kerry defence .
I'm loving all this analysis that Tyrone are a top team again. They got relegated from the league, got beat by Donegal, beat a series of Division 3 & 4 teams (and Meath) and then played reasonably well against a leggy Monaghan team.
Reality is Kerry's midfield and forward line will blow Tyrone away!
Quote from: screenexile on August 21, 2015, 03:05:58 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 02:19:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2015, 02:05:50 PM
People are talking about pushing up on Tyrone's kick outs like its a fail safe way to stop all of Tyrone's attacks. As if Mickey hasn't thought that Kerry might do this, in fact I think he will be delighted if they do. Firstly, it means the game is being played on Tyrone's terms, secondly, bar Cluxton we have the most accurate keeper from kick outs in the country, the alternative to short kicks is not to hoof it down the middle and leave it in "the lap of the Gods" (schoolboy analysis). Morgan will place it to on running players, Kerry will need to be very switched on as every player bar I'd say McAliskey and McCurry will be potential targets here. We may even see Paudie McNulty at some point from wing forward a la Cavlan in 2003 as a target. Thirdly, if Kerry do push up, they better be effective in the tackle as it was be great for Tyrone if McAliskey and McCurry are left with a bit of space to work inside. Fourthly, pushing up makes our defensive half very conjested - this is better for a defence than an attack. Also, I don't think Tyrone will contest midfield at all on Kerry's kick out. Colm Cavanagh will retreat yo the corner of the D along with nearly everyone else and invite Kerry on and encourage them to kick from distance. If Kerry can kick 15 or so long range points then they'll probably win the game - but that's not easy though. Monaghan scored some brilliant points but they weren't coming regularly enough.
My feeling is that Kerry won't push up on Tyrone. They will play them at their own game like they did v Donegal and sit back, stifle Tyrone and win the game by keeping it a dog fight and expect to be more accurate than Tyrone when the chances arise. I think Kerry will win but only by a point or two and if it's close going into the last few minutes I think Kerry may just be the more jittery of the two.
That all falls down because Mc Aliskey and mc curry aren't Canavan and O Neill. They are two very good players but outside free taking they are not good enough to carry the scoring burden of the team.
I don't think based on your posts you've the slightest idea what you're up against on Sunday . But you will after 25 minutes.
For Tyrone to win Kerry need a midfield meltdown , an off day in front of the posts and a poor day in terms of work rate and tackle count and give away extensive frees to allow Tyrone put up a winning score . There are far too many variables there. You still haven't explained any aspect of how you expect to transition from defence to attack at a fast enough rate to expose any potential weakness in the Kerry defence .
I'm loving all this analysis that Tyrone are a top team again. They got relegated from the league, got beat by Donegal, beat a series of Division 3 & 4 teams (and Meath) and then played reasonably well against a leggy Monaghan team.
Reality is Kerry's midfield and forward line will blow Tyrone away!
Getting nervous? ;D
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 21, 2015, 02:57:33 PM
Have been reading this thread for a while and a common theme seems to be that Fitzmaurice is some sort of guru - words used like 'astute' to describe his managerial style. Whilst I appreciate he has won an AI, I cant for the life of me understand how he gained this reputation.
In last years AI final, he had to change system or he would have been destroyed like the Dubs 4 weeks earlier so that was a no brainer - he had to do it...after doing it Kerry got a goal in minute 1 and a goal handed to them from Durcan to win the game - they only scored 9 points...I don't think it was a tactical master class, it was a necessity to try and win the game and kudos for doing that but that doesn't mean he is some sort of genius.
This year to date, it took a Paudie Hughes howler of a decision to keep them alive against Cork on day 1 plus a Hail Mary of an attempt by Fionn Fitzgerald to draw the game - we have seen since that Cork were indeed limited and exposed big time by Kildare. Yes, they won the replay but all factors were in their favour, home venue etc...
I possibly will be proved wrong and will happily admit that come Monday morning but you need to win more than one AI before you can be deemed a managerial great...consider the personnel at his disposal and he would need to get AI's on a regular basis!
Please don't come back saying Donegal Jim only won 1 AI as it is totally different - one started off managing a well established top 4 county (Kerry) and when McGuinness took over, Donegal were near the bottom 4 never mind the top 4. Absolutely no comparison...
Backlash expected .....
You are neglecting the introduction of Donaghy last year against Mayo which swung the tide in their favour. Add to that his feats with Pobalscoil Chorca Dhuibhne where they were 6 points down against a ridiculously strong Maghera team going for 2 All Irelands in a row last year.
He's a good manager and is only starting you can be sure he will win more!
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 21, 2015, 03:08:52 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 21, 2015, 03:05:58 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 02:19:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2015, 02:05:50 PM
People are talking about pushing up on Tyrone's kick outs like its a fail safe way to stop all of Tyrone's attacks. As if Mickey hasn't thought that Kerry might do this, in fact I think he will be delighted if they do. Firstly, it means the game is being played on Tyrone's terms, secondly, bar Cluxton we have the most accurate keeper from kick outs in the country, the alternative to short kicks is not to hoof it down the middle and leave it in "the lap of the Gods" (schoolboy analysis). Morgan will place it to on running players, Kerry will need to be very switched on as every player bar I'd say McAliskey and McCurry will be potential targets here. We may even see Paudie McNulty at some point from wing forward a la Cavlan in 2003 as a target. Thirdly, if Kerry do push up, they better be effective in the tackle as it was be great for Tyrone if McAliskey and McCurry are left with a bit of space to work inside. Fourthly, pushing up makes our defensive half very conjested - this is better for a defence than an attack. Also, I don't think Tyrone will contest midfield at all on Kerry's kick out. Colm Cavanagh will retreat yo the corner of the D along with nearly everyone else and invite Kerry on and encourage them to kick from distance. If Kerry can kick 15 or so long range points then they'll probably win the game - but that's not easy though. Monaghan scored some brilliant points but they weren't coming regularly enough.
My feeling is that Kerry won't push up on Tyrone. They will play them at their own game like they did v Donegal and sit back, stifle Tyrone and win the game by keeping it a dog fight and expect to be more accurate than Tyrone when the chances arise. I think Kerry will win but only by a point or two and if it's close going into the last few minutes I think Kerry may just be the more jittery of the two.
That all falls down because Mc Aliskey and mc curry aren't Canavan and O Neill. They are two very good players but outside free taking they are not good enough to carry the scoring burden of the team.
I don't think based on your posts you've the slightest idea what you're up against on Sunday . But you will after 25 minutes.
For Tyrone to win Kerry need a midfield meltdown , an off day in front of the posts and a poor day in terms of work rate and tackle count and give away extensive frees to allow Tyrone put up a winning score . There are far too many variables there. You still haven't explained any aspect of how you expect to transition from defence to attack at a fast enough rate to expose any potential weakness in the Kerry defence .
I'm loving all this analysis that Tyrone are a top team again. They got relegated from the league, got beat by Donegal, beat a series of Division 3 & 4 teams (and Meath) and then played reasonably well against a leggy Monaghan team.
Reality is Kerry's midfield and forward line will blow Tyrone away!
Getting nervous? ;D
Not really... it's no odds to me who wins I just think Kerry will as they're too good. . . Tyrone GAA's Facebook plea/begging match for Derry to support them on Sunday didn't really wash with me either!! Has that been mentioned yet? It was cringey desperate stuff!!
Yeah I believe you. No odds to you alright.
::)
I doubt Tyrone would be begging too much for Derry to support them. I'd say there'll be loads of Tyrone lads and ladies there. I'm not sure how many Derry people will be there, they don't seem to bring a lot of fans to their senior games, so it's hard to imagine it's worthwhile begging the few there to shout for Tyrone.
Quote from: screenexile on August 21, 2015, 03:12:55 PMNot really... it's no odds to me who wins I just think Kerry will as they're too good. . . Tyrone GAA's Facebook plea/begging match for Derry to support them on Sunday didn't really wash with me either!! Has that been mentioned yet? It was cringey desperate stuff!!
Are you going on Sunday to support your minors?
You could be right and if it is the case I'd imagine you will be skipping down Draperstown Main Street.
Your constant attempts at being a mood hoover are failing.
Once again your much more successful neighbours are at a level and a stage of the championship you can only hear old people in Derry talk about.
But keep it up, it's fantastic to read and the seeth is palpable.
By the way I will be supporting Derry minors also
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 21, 2015, 03:16:31 PM
I doubt Tyrone would be begging too much for Derry to support them. I'd say there'll be loads of Tyrone lads and ladies there. I'm not sure how many Derry people will be there, they don't seem to bring a lot of fans to their senior games, so it's hard to imagine it's worthwhile begging the few there to shout for Tyrone.
Small GAA community AZ in Derry . Very vocal and hugely passionate about the GAA but it's a small pick
Quote from: screenexile on August 21, 2015, 03:05:58 PM
I'm loving all this analysis that Tyrone are a top team again....
Not half as much as we'll be loving it come 5pm on Sunday if you 'experts' haven't quite called it correctly! ;D
Incidentally, don't know what FB page you're referring to but it's certainly not the official Tyrone GAA FB page -- probably one set up by you hoors! ;)
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 21, 2015, 03:16:31 PM
I doubt Tyrone would be begging too much for Derry to support them. I'd say there'll be loads of Tyrone lads and ladies there. I'm not sure how many Derry people will be there, they don't seem to bring a lot of fans to their senior games, so it's hard to imagine it's worthwhile begging the few there to shout for Tyrone.
Small GAA community AZ in Derry . Very vocal and hugely passionate about the GAA but it's a small pick
I'm not doubting the numbers who do go are very passionate, I'm just saying they have small numbers so why would Tyrone 'beg' them to shout for them on Sunday. Might as well stand outside mass in Donnycarney church and beg.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 21, 2015, 03:22:26 PM
I'm not doubting the numbers who do go are very passionate, I'm just saying they have small numbers so why would Tyrone 'beg' them to shout for them on Sunday. Might as well stand outside mass in Donnycarney church and beg.
Their Minors are in the curtain-raiser AZ, but regardless, we know from bitter experience just how utterly futile such a request would be!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 21, 2015, 03:24:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 21, 2015, 03:22:26 PM
I'm not doubting the numbers who do go are very passionate, I'm just saying they have small numbers so why would Tyrone 'beg' them to shout for them on Sunday. Might as well stand outside mass in Donnycarney church and beg.
Their Minors are in the curtain-raiser AZ, but regardless, we know from bitter experience just how utterly futile such a request would be!
I know that! How many Derry fans would Tyrone think will be at the curtain raiser?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 21, 2015, 03:25:18 PM
I know that! How many Derry fans would Tyrone think will be at the curtain raiser?
Ah right, sorry. Hard to say, but probably close to a full ticket allocation I'd imagine.
Quote from: screenexile on August 21, 2015, 03:10:58 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 21, 2015, 02:57:33 PM
Have been reading this thread for a while and a common theme seems to be that Fitzmaurice is some sort of guru - words used like 'astute' to describe his managerial style. Whilst I appreciate he has won an AI, I cant for the life of me understand how he gained this reputation.
In last years AI final, he had to change system or he would have been destroyed like the Dubs 4 weeks earlier so that was a no brainer - he had to do it...after doing it Kerry got a goal in minute 1 and a goal handed to them from Durcan to win the game - they only scored 9 points...I don't think it was a tactical master class, it was a necessity to try and win the game and kudos for doing that but that doesn't mean he is some sort of genius.
This year to date, it took a Paudie Hughes howler of a decision to keep them alive against Cork on day 1 plus a Hail Mary of an attempt by Fionn Fitzgerald to draw the game - we have seen since that Cork were indeed limited and exposed big time by Kildare. Yes, they won the replay but all factors were in their favour, home venue etc...
I possibly will be proved wrong and will happily admit that come Monday morning but you need to win more than one AI before you can be deemed a managerial great...consider the personnel at his disposal and he would need to get AI's on a regular basis!
Please don't come back saying Donegal Jim only won 1 AI as it is totally different - one started off managing a well established top 4 county (Kerry) and when McGuinness took over, Donegal were near the bottom 4 never mind the top 4. Absolutely no comparison...
Backlash expected .....
You are neglecting the introduction of Donaghy last year against Mayo which swung the tide in their favour. Add to that his feats with Pobalscoil Chorca Dhuibhne where they were 6 points down against a ridiculously strong Maghera team going for 2 All Irelands in a row last year.
He's a good manager and is only starting you can be sure he will win more!
If he hadn't of introduced Donaghy he would have been lambasted - he left it far too late to introduce him and was lucky to survive and get a replay.
Are you now telling me SM Lockhart and Paul Hughes are destined for greatness because they led Maghera to 2 Hogan Cup finals in a row....
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 02:55:25 PM
I rate this Tyrone team very highly . In 12 months time .
I think mickey setup his team to get to the last 4. You can't win an AI playing like this in my opinion . Good performance on Sunday and it's been a good year . If he pulls it off he is a miracle worker but I can't see it this time round
Really interesting point and on a theme touched on by Mickey Harte last night at our chat night. He said that Kerry's win last year was probably a year ahead of schedule. So he's thinking that way too, and is also saying that he thinks Kerry are stronger now than they were last year.
Tyrone weren't begging Derry to support them, the post encouraged Tyrone supporters to get in early and support Derry. screenexile has twisted it. The guy who wrote the post about the Derry minors of 50 years ago (many of them guys of my dad's vintage at St Columb's College) is a very energetic and ferverent GAA man and in no way "desperate" or "cringey".
Here's the post in question
QuoteHonouring Something Special
Fifty years ago one of the great Minor teams won the All-Ireland. It wasn't a Tyrone team. It was instead from our neighbours Derry, actually the first-ever Derry team to win the Ulster Minor Championship. Something about that Derry Minor team mesmerised, captivated and inspired Gaels across Ulster. Skilful, glamorous and supremely-organised, it drew heavily on the St Columb's College Hogan Cup-winning team (which had also featured two of Tyrone's greatest GAA people, Brendan Dolan RIP and our recent past County Chairman, Liam Nelis). Some of Ulster's finest-ever footballers graced those Derry Minors: Eamon Coleman RIP, Seamus Lagan, Malachy McAfee, Adrian McGuckin, Mickey Niblock, Gerry O'Loughlin and Tom Quinn among others. Three years later they collected the All-Ireland U21 title. And but for the chaos that then erupted here, who knows what they might have achieved as Seniors. Exceptional men. Exceptional times.
Why are we talking about a long-gone Derry team on Tyrone social media? Because next Sunday another Derry Minor team goes to Croke Park. They're there not as Tyrone's rivals but as the Champions of our Province. They follow in the footsteps of Oak Leaf greatness. So if you're following Tyrone to Croke Park, then get there for 1.30pm and get behind Derry. Apart from anything else you'll be honouring and respecting something very special from half-a-century ago, a team that set a standard and meant something for so many of us. And that should be our privilege. 'Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireann na daoine ... people live in one another's shelter.'
QuoteHonouring Something Special
Fifty years ago one of the great Minor teams won the All-Ireland. It wasn't a Tyrone team. It was instead from our neighbours Derry, actually the first-ever Derry team to win the Ulster Minor Championship. Something about that Derry Minor team mesmerised, captivated and inspired Gaels across Ulster. Skilful, glamorous and supremely-organised, it drew heavily on the St Columb's College Hogan Cup-winning team (which had also featured two of Tyrone's greatest GAA people, Brendan Dolan RIP and our recent past County Chairman, Liam Nelis). Some of Ulster's finest-ever footballers graced those Derry Minors: Eamon Coleman RIP, Seamus Lagan, Malachy McAfee, Adrian McGuckin, Mickey Niblock, Gerry O'Loughlin and Tom Quinn among others. Three years later they collected the All-Ireland U21 title. And but for the chaos that then erupted here, who knows what they might have achieved as Seniors. Exceptional men. Exceptional times.
Why are we talking about a long-gone Derry team on Tyrone social media? Because next Sunday another Derry Minor team goes to Croke Park. They're there not as Tyrone's rivals but as the Champions of our Province. They follow in the footsteps of Oak Leaf greatness. So if you're following Tyrone to Croke Park, then get there for 1.30pm and get behind Derry. Apart from anything else you'll be honouring and respecting something very special from half-a-century ago, a team that set a standard and meant something for so many of us. And that should be our privilege. 'Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireann na daoine ... people live in one another's shelter.'
So apart from Tyrone exhorting Tyrone fans to support Derry, and NOT Derry fans to support Tyrone,
screenexile was 100% correct? :P
In fairness the begging there is nauseating.
Donaghy vs McMahon should be interesting in the first 10 mins or so............... Imagine the sledging dished out if macarron was from another county other than Tyrone, oul gormley would have had his hands full ;)
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 21, 2015, 04:14:03 PM
Donaghy vs McMahon should be interesting in the first 10 mins or so
You're assuming Donaghy will start
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 21, 2015, 04:14:03 PM
Imagine the sledging dished out if macarron was from another county other than Tyrone, oul gormley would have had his hands full ;)
Have you been totally asleep for his games to date? Don't know how the lad doesn't react.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 21, 2015, 03:22:26 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 21, 2015, 03:16:31 PM
I doubt Tyrone would be begging too much for Derry to support them. I'd say there'll be loads of Tyrone lads and ladies there. I'm not sure how many Derry people will be there, they don't seem to bring a lot of fans to their senior games, so it's hard to imagine it's worthwhile begging the few there to shout for Tyrone.
Small GAA community AZ in Derry . Very vocal and hugely passionate about the GAA but it's a small pick
I'm not doubting the numbers who do go are very passionate, I'm just saying they have small numbers so why would Tyrone 'beg' them to shout for them on Sunday. Might as well stand outside mass in Donnycarney church and beg.
;D ;D ;D
Nice one AZ
It's interesting how supporters can seamlessly go from lambasting their team and management after a few losses to declaring them potential champions after a few wins. Not saying that's exactly what's happened here with Tyrone supporters but there's no doubt some have swung fairly dramatically from doom and gloom to notable optimism - such is the life of a supporter I guess.
For me, I can't see anything other than a Kerry win. I think Tyrone have some great players and some potentially great players but Kerry have more proven performers and are further down the line in their progression as a team. Harte is mimicking a system that you employ when you know your squad can't go man for man but that system is a busted flush against the best teams. With the possible exception of Monaghan, Tyrone have beaten nobody that they wouldn't beat going man for man. This weekend they'll meet a team they wouldn't beat going man of man so the 'system' will probably make it closer on the scoreboard but I expect the difference in quality will still be notable.
I reckon Tyrone are still a team in the chasing pack albeit probably the leading team in that pack. They are still short of the Kerry's of this world though and will probably lose by 3 to 5 points I think.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 21, 2015, 04:25:07 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 21, 2015, 04:14:03 PM
Imagine the sledging dished out if macarron was from another county other than Tyrone, oul gormley would have had his hands full ;)
Have you been totally asleep for his games to date? Don't know how the lad doesn't react.
The lad gets complete dogs abuse but sure it doesnt happen cos he's from Tyrone ::)
He's done well with it tho, think he has acknowledged he's gonna get it and learned to channel it, an example for everyone I think
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 21, 2015, 04:34:12 PM
He's done well with it tho, think he has acknowledged he's gonna get it and learned to channel it, an example for everyone I think
Indeed, he's had the ear of a certain no 10 this past week I'd say! ;)
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 21, 2015, 03:16:31 PM
I doubt Tyrone would be begging too much for Derry to support them. I'd say there'll be loads of Tyrone lads and ladies there. I'm not sure how many Derry people will be there, they don't seem to bring a lot of fans to their senior games, so it's hard to imagine it's worthwhile begging the few there to shout for Tyrone.
Small GAA community AZ in Derry . Very vocal and hugely passionate about the GAA but it's a small pick
That's not true, passionate about club football alright but the apathy towards the county team is widespread.
Quote from: Rois on August 21, 2015, 03:36:49 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 21, 2015, 02:55:25 PM
I rate this Tyrone team very highly . In 12 months time .
I think mickey setup his team to get to the last 4. You can't win an AI playing like this in my opinion . Good performance on Sunday and it's been a good year . If he pulls it off he is a miracle worker but I can't see it this time round
Really interesting point and on a theme touched on by Mickey Harte last night at our chat night. He said that Kerry's win last year was probably a year ahead of schedule. So he's thinking that way too, and is also saying that he thinks Kerry are stronger now than they were last year.
Tyrone weren't begging Derry to support them, the post encouraged Tyrone supporters to get in early and support Derry. screenexile has twisted it. The guy who wrote the post about the Derry minors of 50 years ago (many of them guys of my dad's vintage at St Columb's College) is a very energetic and ferverent GAA man and in no way "desperate" or "cringey".
It didn't come across as desperate or cringey at all to me. Like many Derry men there isn't a team I like to beat more than Tyrone but I will be giving them my full support on Sunday.
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 21, 2015, 03:28:41 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 21, 2015, 03:10:58 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 21, 2015, 02:57:33 PM
Have been reading this thread for a while and a common theme seems to be that Fitzmaurice is some sort of guru - words used like 'astute' to describe his managerial style. Whilst I appreciate he has won an AI, I cant for the life of me understand how he gained this reputation.
In last years AI final, he had to change system or he would have been destroyed like the Dubs 4 weeks earlier so that was a no brainer - he had to do it...after doing it Kerry got a goal in minute 1 and a goal handed to them from Durcan to win the game - they only scored 9 points...I don't think it was a tactical master class, it was a necessity to try and win the game and kudos for doing that but that doesn't mean he is some sort of genius.
This year to date, it took a Paudie Hughes howler of a decision to keep them alive against Cork on day 1 plus a Hail Mary of an attempt by Fionn Fitzgerald to draw the game - we have seen since that Cork were indeed limited and exposed big time by Kildare. Yes, they won the replay but all factors were in their favour, home venue etc...
I possibly will be proved wrong and will happily admit that come Monday morning but you need to win more than one AI before you can be deemed a managerial great...consider the personnel at his disposal and he would need to get AI's on a regular basis!
Please don't come back saying Donegal Jim only won 1 AI as it is totally different - one started off managing a well established top 4 county (Kerry) and when McGuinness took over, Donegal were near the bottom 4 never mind the top 4. Absolutely no comparison...
Backlash expected .....
You are neglecting the introduction of Donaghy last year against Mayo which swung the tide in their favour. Add to that his feats with Pobalscoil Chorca Dhuibhne where they were 6 points down against a ridiculously strong Maghera team going for 2 All Irelands in a row last year.
He's a good manager and is only starting you can be sure he will win more!
If he hadn't of introduced Donaghy he would have been lambasted - he left it far too late to introduce him and was lucky to survive and get a replay.
Are you now telling me SM Lockhart and Paul Hughes are destined for greatness because they led Maghera to 2 Hogan Cup finals in a row....
Fitzmaurice had about 1/4 the pick that Maghera had.
The Kerry team that started the 14 final had only 2 starters from 09 and had zero people giving them a chance of winning the all Ireland once Gooch was injured. The bulk of the squad were from an u21 side that lost by 22 points.
Right boys, i'll see ye's all for the fall out on Monday morning! watch out for the clampers and enjoy a drink. Up Football!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 21, 2015, 03:53:53 PM
QuoteHonouring Something Special
Fifty years ago one of the great Minor teams won the All-Ireland. It wasn't a Tyrone team. It was instead from our neighbours Derry, actually the first-ever Derry team to win the Ulster Minor Championship. Something about that Derry Minor team mesmerised, captivated and inspired Gaels across Ulster. Skilful, glamorous and supremely-organised, it drew heavily on the St Columb's College Hogan Cup-winning team (which had also featured two of Tyrone's greatest GAA people, Brendan Dolan RIP and our recent past County Chairman, Liam Nelis). Some of Ulster's finest-ever footballers graced those Derry Minors: Eamon Coleman RIP, Seamus Lagan, Malachy McAfee, Adrian McGuckin, Mickey Niblock, Gerry O'Loughlin and Tom Quinn among others. Three years later they collected the All-Ireland U21 title. And but for the chaos that then erupted here, who knows what they might have achieved as Seniors. Exceptional men. Exceptional times.
Why are we talking about a long-gone Derry team on Tyrone social media? Because next Sunday another Derry Minor team goes to Croke Park. They're there not as Tyrone's rivals but as the Champions of our Province. They follow in the footsteps of Oak Leaf greatness. So if you're following Tyrone to Croke Park, then get there for 1.30pm and get behind Derry. Apart from anything else you'll be honouring and respecting something very special from half-a-century ago, a team that set a standard and meant something for so many of us. And that should be our privilege. 'Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireann na daoine ... people live in one another's shelter.'
So apart from Tyrone exhorting Tyrone fans to support Derry, and NOT Derry fans to support Tyrone, screenexile was 100% correct? :P
To be fair to screenexile he has some good logical stuff in his posts
However his hatred of Tyrone is laid bare at times, no more notably when the media hysteria bandwagon begins against Tyrone he is howling like a Grandmaster in the Field on the 12th.
Despite putting alot of flesh on it "Tyrone are bad" is almost always his eventual dogmatic POV. So with such a deeply ingrained bias, I wouldnt be surprised that he would read the above as Tyrone begging for Derry support
On Sunday we finally find out where this crop of Tyrone players are at. The only side we've met with any realistic Sam claims was Donegal and they won by 3 points.
I've absolutely no idea where we're at. Relgated to division 2, the easiest (and perfectly drawn) run to the semis - there's always that niggle that we're out of our depth at this end of the championship to be mixing it with Dublin, Kerry and Mayo.
Sunday will reveal all.
Nightmare = goal blitzed by a rampant and brilliant Kerry early on. Fantasy - the Kerry management lose their nerve and turn it into a war of attrition for points here and there. I'd fancy Tyrone in that scenario. You'd imagine Kerry will want to neutralise Harte, Donnelly and Cavanagh....and I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the three crocked by cute hoorism/'clumsiness' by half time......
Being brutally honest but I don't think the Tyrone forwards are a patch on the noughties ones. Chalk and Cheese.
Kerry to win handily imo.
Quote from: Canalman on August 21, 2015, 05:16:57 PM
Being brutally honest but I don't think the Tyrone forwards are a patch on the noughties ones. Chalk and Cheese.
Kerry to win handily imo.
Our starting forward line for Sunday is better than the 08 starting forward line, IMO. There are a lot of people going to be dining out on humble pie come Sunday evening and I intend to take a good few quid off the bookies on account of them.
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2015, 04:29:10 PM
It's interesting how supporters can seamlessly go from lambasting their team and management after a few losses to declaring them potential champions after a few wins. Not saying that's exactly what's happened here with Tyrone supporters but there's no doubt some have swung fairly dramatically from doom and gloom to notable optimism - such is the life of a supporter I guess.
For me, I can't see anything other than a Kerry win. I think Tyrone have some great players and some potentially great players but Kerry have more proven performers and are further down the line in their progression as a team. Harte is mimicking a system that you employ when you know your squad can't go man for man but that system is a busted flush against the best teams. With the possible exception of Monaghan, Tyrone have beaten nobody that they wouldn't beat going man for man. This weekend they'll meet a team they wouldn't beat going man of man so the 'system' will probably make it closer on the scoreboard but I expect the difference in quality will still be notable.
I reckon Tyrone are still a team in the chasing pack albeit probably the leading team in that pack. They are still short of the Kerry's of this world though and will probably lose by 3 to 5 points I think.
I think you are being a bit unfair in your first paragraph there Zulu. This isn't a Tyrone team that have fallen from nowhere into an All Ireland semi final. There's very few lads on that panel without an AI medal at some level or another and it's our 2nd AI semi final in 3 years. Yes, there's some balloons with an anti Mickey Harte agenda but most Tyrone fans have always known the talent that lies within these players having seen them at minor, U21 and club level. Perhaps at times we were frustrated that this wasn't always reflected by performances until the last few outings. I've been a fairly consistent supporter of Mickey on here, though I must admit I was worried that our progress was a bit too slow. People in Tyrone have always felt that there was potential there, it's just now it's beginning to present itself and as Rois said earlier this may a year or two too early but we are certainly moving in the right direction.
Quote from: Canalman on August 21, 2015, 05:16:57 PM
Being brutally honest but I don't think the Tyrone forwards are a patch on the noughties ones. Chalk and Cheese.
Kerry to win handily imo.
It's a good job we aren't playing against the noughties team then. That was an outstanding team, lesser teams than those boys have won all Ireland's before and since.
Nerves starting to build now.
If you offered me a draw and a replay in Limerick I'd snap your hand off!
Quote from: blanketattack on August 21, 2015, 05:34:39 PM
Nerves starting to build now.
If you offered me a draw and a replay in Limerick I'd snap your hand off!
How about if you were leading by 5 with minutes remaining. And there was the option of a dodgy Ref waiting for you in Limerick?
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 21, 2015, 06:09:37 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 21, 2015, 05:34:39 PM
Nerves starting to build now.
If you offered me a draw and a replay in Limerick I'd snap your hand off!
How about if you were leading by 5 with minutes remaining. And there was the option of a dodgy Ref waiting for you in Limerick?
Remember tho, a dodgy ref for Kerry is one who is a used car salesman
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2015, 05:31:04 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2015, 04:29:10 PM
It's interesting how supporters can seamlessly go from lambasting their team and management after a few losses to declaring them potential champions after a few wins. Not saying that's exactly what's happened here with Tyrone supporters but there's no doubt some have swung fairly dramatically from doom and gloom to notable optimism - such is the life of a supporter I guess.
For me, I can't see anything other than a Kerry win. I think Tyrone have some great players and some potentially great players but Kerry have more proven performers and are further down the line in their progression as a team. Harte is mimicking a system that you employ when you know your squad can't go man for man but that system is a busted flush against the best teams. With the possible exception of Monaghan, Tyrone have beaten nobody that they wouldn't beat going man for man. This weekend they'll meet a team they wouldn't beat going man of man so the 'system' will probably make it closer on the scoreboard but I expect the difference in quality will still be notable.
I reckon Tyrone are still a team in the chasing pack albeit probably the leading team in that pack. They are still short of the Kerry's of this world though and will probably lose by 3 to 5 points I think.
I think you are being a bit unfair in your first paragraph there Zulu. This isn't a Tyrone team that have fallen from nowhere into an All Ireland semi final. There's very few lads on that panel without an AI medal at some level or another and it's our 2nd AI semi final in 3 years. Yes, there's some balloons with an anti Mickey Harte agenda but most Tyrone fans have always known the talent that lies within these players having seen them at minor, U21 and club level. Perhaps at times we were frustrated that this wasn't always reflected by performances until the last few outings. I've been a fairly consistent supporter of Mickey on here, though I must admit I was worried that our progress was a bit too slow. People in Tyrone have always felt that there was potential there, it's just now it's beginning to present itself and as Rois said earlier this may a year or two too early but we are certainly moving in the right direction.
Ah I know what you're saying Benny and it wasn't really a comment on Tyrone fans or posters rather a general comment on posts I've seen here over the years where a bad league or early exit from a provincial championship has some dismissing their team but a few qualifier wins later and they start talking about not writing off their teams chances of going all the way. Like I said, it's probably just the nature of being a supporter, you tend to read more into both defeats and victories that might be justified.
I agree though there is certainly talent in this Tyrone team and they will close the gap on the teams above them. I suspect they haven't yet though. But you're there and are have the ability to give it a good rattle so I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Best of luck to both teams and all supporters. It's a great weekend to be involved in.
On RTE2 now - a bit of '03 romanticism.
FFS RTE lagging. They're up til their oul tricks again.
Painting hurleys is a mighty idea
Any word of possible attendance? Next weekend already sold out by the Mayo fans.
I think I sense some anxiety among the Kerry fans. Imagine if they lost to Tyrone and mickey harte again at Croker. Not sure if it'll happen myself but if it's all square ten minutes into the second half I think we're in with a great shout
Quote from: Canalman on August 21, 2015, 05:16:57 PM
Being brutally honest but I don't think the Tyrone forwards are a patch on the noughties ones. Chalk and Cheese.
Kerry to win handily imo.
+1
Tyrone didnt have the firepower to beat Mayo in 2013 semi final and that forward line hasn't improved much since . They don't seem to have many forwards that will raise green flags. Tyrone will make game for 40-50 minutes then Kerry will pull away and win by 10+ . Tyrone forwards in championship have struggled against Donegal last 3 championship games, Mayo 2013 and Kerry 2012. Could see in all games never looked like winning.Tieran McCann and Mark Bradley are players for the future and hopefully they will get a couple others from 21 winning team. They had a couple powerful lads in the full forward line who might make impact next year
Quote from: Gael85 on August 22, 2015, 12:53:39 AM
Quote from: Canalman on August 21, 2015, 05:16:57 PM
Being brutally honest but I don't think the Tyrone forwards are a patch on the noughties ones. Chalk and Cheese.
Kerry to win handily imo.
+1
Tyrone didnt have the firepower to beat Mayo in 2013 semi final and that forward line hasn't improved much since . They don't seem to have many forwards that will raise green flags. Tyrone will make game for 40-50 minutes then Kerry will pull away and win by 10+ . Tyrone forwards in championship have struggled against Donegal last 3 championship games, Mayo 2013 and Kerry 2012. Could see in all games never looked like winning.Tieran McCann and Mark Bradley are players for the future and hopefully they will get a couple others from 21 winning team. They had a couple powerful lads in the full forward line who might make impact next year
Very well written. My optimism has reduced. I do think the u-21 AI for Tyr this year has given massive bounce in the county. Those players have no fear.
Taking out the hype they played 2 top tier teams in this series with alot of also rans giving Tyrone a distorted scoring average. Donegal as usual had the measure of them, Monaghan was the ideal draw for them as they were the weakest of the provincial champs with only 1/2 scoring forwards. Kerry have played much either, 1 top tier team in Cork, and its hard to gauge how the perform when the pressure is on. Kerry i think will raise they game for Tyrone. Game be tighter than most think due to Tyrone defensive plan but i expect Kerry to prevail in a fairly close game. Starting their best free taker on the bench is a tad confusing though.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 22, 2015, 01:49:51 AM
Taking out the hype they played 2 top tier teams in this series with alot of also rans giving Tyrone a distorted scoring average. Donegal as usual had the measure of them, Monaghan was the ideal draw for them as they were the weakest of the provincial champs with only 1/2 scoring forwards. Kerry have played much either, 1 top tier team in Cork, and its hard to gauge how the perform when the pressure is on. Kerry i think will raise they game for Tyrone. Game be tighter than most think due to Tyrone defensive plan but i expect Kerry to prevail in a fairly close game. Starting their best free taker on the bench is a tad confusing though.
When he contributes little from play it isn't. A few pretty 45 meter kicks aren't enough to warrant a place on a lot of teams, let alone Kerry.
Quote from: Syferus on August 22, 2015, 03:17:43 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 22, 2015, 01:49:51 AM
Taking out the hype they played 2 top tier teams in this series with alot of also rans giving Tyrone a distorted scoring average. Donegal as usual had the measure of them, Monaghan was the ideal draw for them as they were the weakest of the provincial champs with only 1/2 scoring forwards. Kerry have played much either, 1 top tier team in Cork, and its hard to gauge how the perform when the pressure is on. Kerry i think will raise they game for Tyrone. Game be tighter than most think due to Tyrone defensive plan but i expect Kerry to prevail in a fairly close game. Starting their best free taker on the bench is a tad confusing though.
When he contributes little from play it isn't. A few pretty 45 meter kicks aren't enough to warrant a place on a lot of teams, let alone Kerry.
Brian Sheehan was not considered for a starting position due to injury, it will only be fully known on the day if he will be able to make any contribution.
Quote from: Seamus on August 22, 2015, 03:49:27 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 22, 2015, 03:17:43 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 22, 2015, 01:49:51 AM
Taking out the hype they played 2 top tier teams in this series with alot of also rans giving Tyrone a distorted scoring average. Donegal as usual had the measure of them, Monaghan was the ideal draw for them as they were the weakest of the provincial champs with only 1/2 scoring forwards. Kerry have played much either, 1 top tier team in Cork, and its hard to gauge how the perform when the pressure is on. Kerry i think will raise they game for Tyrone. Game be tighter than most think due to Tyrone defensive plan but i expect Kerry to prevail in a fairly close game. Starting their best free taker on the bench is a tad confusing though.
When he contributes little from play it isn't. A few pretty 45 meter kicks aren't enough to warrant a place on a lot of teams, let alone Kerry.
Brian Sheehan was not considered for a starting position due to injury, it will only be fully known on the day if he will be able to make any contribution.
He's been dropped to the bench when fit plenty of times too, regardless. I don't think it particularly weakens Kerry. If anything they're more of a threat with him not starting.
Quote from: Syferus on August 22, 2015, 03:52:46 AM
Quote from: Seamus on August 22, 2015, 03:49:27 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 22, 2015, 03:17:43 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 22, 2015, 01:49:51 AM
Taking out the hype they played 2 top tier teams in this series with alot of also rans giving Tyrone a distorted scoring average. Donegal as usual had the measure of them, Monaghan was the ideal draw for them as they were the weakest of the provincial champs with only 1/2 scoring forwards. Kerry have played much either, 1 top tier team in Cork, and its hard to gauge how the perform when the pressure is on. Kerry i think will raise they game for Tyrone. Game be tighter than most think due to Tyrone defensive plan but i expect Kerry to prevail in a fairly close game. Starting their best free taker on the bench is a tad confusing though.
When he contributes little from play it isn't. A few pretty 45 meter kicks aren't enough to warrant a place on a lot of teams, let alone Kerry.
Brian Sheehan was not considered for a starting position due to injury, it will only be fully known on the day if he will be able to make any contribution.
He's been dropped to the bench when fit plenty of times too, regardless. I don't think it particularly weakens Kerry. If anything they're more of a threat with him not starting.
When did that happen for the championship between 2009 and this week as I can't remember?
Quote from: Gael85 on August 22, 2015, 12:53:39 AM
Quote from: Canalman on August 21, 2015, 05:16:57 PM
Being brutally honest but I don't think the Tyrone forwards are a patch on the noughties ones. Chalk and Cheese.
Kerry to win handily imo.
+1
Tyrone didnt have the firepower to beat Mayo in 2013 semi final and that forward line hasn't improved much since . They don't seem to have many forwards that will raise green flags. Tyrone will make game for 40-50 minutes then Kerry will pull away and win by 10+ . Tyrone forwards in championship have struggled against Donegal last 3 championship games, Mayo 2013 and Kerry 2012. Could see in all games never looked like winning.Tieran McCann and Mark Bradley are players for the future and hopefully they will get a couple others from 21 winning team. They had a couple powerful lads in the full forward line who might make impact next year
Our forwards contributed more scores from play than Mayo did in the 2013 semi-final.
I think it's lazy analysis to say that we don't have the firepower to beat Kerry, we don't play a game that needs our inside forwards to be notching up big scores to win games. If McCurry and McAliskey can contribute about 10 points on Sunday we are well in with a shout and I believe that's more than within their capabilities, people keep going on and on about Kerry's firepower and how we will be able to cope with then but they are not focusing on how a porous Kerry defence will cope with what we have.
In league and Championship these were our concessions:
Monaghan 1-13 (16)
Mayo 1-07 (10)
Derry 1-08 (11)
Dublin 1-09 (12)
Cork 0-17 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Kerry 1-14 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Limerick 0-08 (8)
Meath 0-11 (11)
Tipperary 0-09 (9)
Sligo 0-14 (14)
Monaghan 0-14 (14)
In the 13 league and championship games this year, the highest score we have conceded is 17 points and Tyrone have been getting better and better with each passing game. After the league meeting with Monaghan Mickey went back to basics and the defence really started to tighten up and improve. Our attacking gameplan really struggled in that time though and it wasn't until the second half in the Tipp game that it looked to click into gear, since then I've been very pleased with the smoothness and speed with which we develop our play now and our efficiency in front of the posts the last day out against Monaghan was brilliant. I think if we can turn in a similar performance against Monaghan we can win on Sunday, there's not that much of a gulf between the teams despite what the experts say.
I can only hope the lads have been hearing some of the coverage and expert verdicts for this game. Tyrone have been completely dismissed out of hand and told they have nowhere near the quality of players Kerry have which is just nonsense, we have the players to push them and beat them and I hope we do it. It's a bit like the u21 Championship this year where we were bizarrely 9/4 outsiders against an average Roscommon side and wrote off by all the experts and proceeded to stroll home against them without needing to break sweat.
Quote from: Gael85 on August 22, 2015, 12:53:39 AM
Quote from: Canalman on August 21, 2015, 05:16:57 PM
Being brutally honest but I don't think the Tyrone forwards are a patch on the noughties ones. Chalk and Cheese.
Kerry to win handily imo.
+1
Tyrone didnt have the firepower to beat Mayo in 2013 semi final and that forward line hasn't improved much since . They don't seem to have many forwards that will raise green flags. Tyrone will make game for 40-50 minutes then Kerry will pull away and win by 10+ . Tyrone forwards in championship have struggled against Donegal last 3 championship games, Mayo 2013 and Kerry 2012. Could see in all games never looked like winning.Tieran McCann and Mark Bradley are players for the future and hopefully they will get a couple others from 21 winning team. They had a couple powerful lads in the full forward line who might make impact next year
Not quite sure how relevant that particular game is. Tyrone were doing very well that day and had Mayo rattled. Lack of firepower to go on and put them away was a factor but so were injuries to O'Neill and Harte and a dodgy penalty decision. It's 2 years on and a better Tyrone team, I don't think there is too much to learn from that day.
Ultimately I can't see Tyrone having enough to win this. I have been frustrated in recent seasons by Mickey's constant changes to the team. I don't think it's any coincidence that we have had a decent championship run, albeit with a handy enough draw, when he has picked a fairly settled team and stuck with it
There are enough good players for Tyrone to be pretty competitive every summer. Alas, they aren't IMO quite good enough to beat the very best teams, ie Dublin, Kerry and Mayo.
I'm not sure if they really believe they can either, its a while since Tyrone won a really big match in Croke Park. The team of the last decade believed they were better than Kerry, with good reason, and Kerry knew it. I have no doubt that Kerry win a lot of close games because the opposition don't think they can win. The confidence of the noughties Tyrone team unsettled that Kerry team, in 2008 in particular it was a big factor when Tyrone didn't have the same flair as the 2003 and 2005 teams. Now maybe tomorrow will be a breakthrough day for this Tyrone team but I don't think they have that belief, not at this stage anyway. The way they finished against Monaghan, trying to suffocate the game rather than turning the screw when Monaghan were a beaten team with 10 minutes to go, suggested to me a weakness. It went against Mickey's traditional tactic of attacking a lead too. Wouldn't work against better teams than Monaghan.
Would love to be proved wrong but reckon Kerry will win by a few.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 22, 2015, 07:53:39 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on August 22, 2015, 12:53:39 AM
Quote from: Canalman on August 21, 2015, 05:16:57 PM
Being brutally honest but I don't think the Tyrone forwards are a patch on the noughties ones. Chalk and Cheese.
Kerry to win handily imo.
+1
Tyrone didnt have the firepower to beat Mayo in 2013 semi final and that forward line hasn't improved much since . They don't seem to have many forwards that will raise green flags. Tyrone will make game for 40-50 minutes then Kerry will pull away and win by 10+ . Tyrone forwards in championship have struggled against Donegal last 3 championship games, Mayo 2013 and Kerry 2012. Could see in all games never looked like winning.Tieran McCann and Mark Bradley are players for the future and hopefully they will get a couple others from 21 winning team. They had a couple powerful lads in the full forward line who might make impact next year
Our forwards contributed more scores from play than Mayo did in the 2013 semi-final.
I think it's lazy analysis to say that we don't have the firepower to beat Kerry, we don't play a game that needs our inside forwards to be notching up big scores to win games. If McCurry and McAliskey can contribute about 10 points on Sunday we are well in with a shout and I believe that's more than within their capabilities, people keep going on and on about Kerry's firepower and how we will be able to cope with then but they are not focusing on how a porous Kerry defence will cope with what we have.
In league and Championship these were our concessions:
Monaghan 1-13 (16)
Mayo 1-07 (10)
Derry 1-08 (11)
Dublin 1-09 (12)
Cork 0-17 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Kerry 1-14 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Limerick 0-08 (8)
Meath 0-11 (11)
Tipperary 0-09 (9)
Sligo 0-14 (14)
Monaghan 0-14 (14)
In the 13 league and championship games this year, the highest score we have conceded is 17 points and Tyrone have been getting better and better with each passing game. After the league meeting with Monaghan Mickey went back to basics and the defence really started to tighten up and improve. Our attacking gameplan really struggled in that time though and it wasn't until the second half in the Tipp game that it looked to click into gear, since then I've been very pleased with the smoothness and speed with which we develop our play now and our efficiency in front of the posts the last day out against Monaghan was brilliant. I think if we can turn in a similar performance against Monaghan we can win on Sunday, there's not that much of a gulf between the teams despite what the experts say.
I can only hope the lads have been hearing some of the coverage and expert verdicts for this game. Tyrone have been completely dismissed out of hand and told they have nowhere near the quality of players Kerry have which is just nonsense, we have the players to push them and beat them and I hope we do it. It's a bit like the u21 Championship this year where we were bizarrely 9/4 outsiders against an average Roscommon side and wrote off by all the experts and proceeded to stroll home against them without needing to break sweat.
It's not lazy analysis when in some games 70 percent of your scores are coming from frees . You're up against the wall tomorrow and Any given Sunday speeches are unlikely to be enough.
You will mass the defence and do a mc Guinness. No rocket science there
Quote from: INDIANA on August 22, 2015, 09:23:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 22, 2015, 07:53:39 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on August 22, 2015, 12:53:39 AM
Quote from: Canalman on August 21, 2015, 05:16:57 PM
Being brutally honest but I don't think the Tyrone forwards are a patch on the noughties ones. Chalk and Cheese.
Kerry to win handily imo.
+1
Tyrone didnt have the firepower to beat Mayo in 2013 semi final and that forward line hasn't improved much since . They don't seem to have many forwards that will raise green flags. Tyrone will make game for 40-50 minutes then Kerry will pull away and win by 10+ . Tyrone forwards in championship have struggled against Donegal last 3 championship games, Mayo 2013 and Kerry 2012. Could see in all games never looked like winning.Tieran McCann and Mark Bradley are players for the future and hopefully they will get a couple others from 21 winning team. They had a couple powerful lads in the full forward line who might make impact next year
Our forwards contributed more scores from play than Mayo did in the 2013 semi-final.
I think it's lazy analysis to say that we don't have the firepower to beat Kerry, we don't play a game that needs our inside forwards to be notching up big scores to win games. If McCurry and McAliskey can contribute about 10 points on Sunday we are well in with a shout and I believe that's more than within their capabilities, people keep going on and on about Kerry's firepower and how we will be able to cope with then but they are not focusing on how a porous Kerry defence will cope with what we have.
In league and Championship these were our concessions:
Monaghan 1-13 (16)
Mayo 1-07 (10)
Derry 1-08 (11)
Dublin 1-09 (12)
Cork 0-17 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Kerry 1-14 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Limerick 0-08 (8)
Meath 0-11 (11)
Tipperary 0-09 (9)
Sligo 0-14 (14)
Monaghan 0-14 (14)
In the 13 league and championship games this year, the highest score we have conceded is 17 points and Tyrone have been getting better and better with each passing game. After the league meeting with Monaghan Mickey went back to basics and the defence really started to tighten up and improve. Our attacking gameplan really struggled in that time though and it wasn't until the second half in the Tipp game that it looked to click into gear, since then I've been very pleased with the smoothness and speed with which we develop our play now and our efficiency in front of the posts the last day out against Monaghan was brilliant. I think if we can turn in a similar performance against Monaghan we can win on Sunday, there's not that much of a gulf between the teams despite what the experts say.
I can only hope the lads have been hearing some of the coverage and expert verdicts for this game. Tyrone have been completely dismissed out of hand and told they have nowhere near the quality of players Kerry have which is just nonsense, we have the players to push them and beat them and I hope we do it. It's a bit like the u21 Championship this year where we were bizarrely 9/4 outsiders against an average Roscommon side and wrote off by all the experts and proceeded to stroll home against them without needing to break sweat.
It's not lazy analysis when in some games 70 percent of your scores are coming from frees . You're up against the wall tomorrow and Any given Sunday speeches are unlikely to be enough.
You will mass the defence and do a mc Guinness. No rocket science there
So how many times has this happened this year?
V Donegal 1-10 (3. frees) = 23%
V Limerick 1-14 (6 frees) = 35%
V Meath 1-10 (1-1 frees) = 31%
V Tipp 0-19 (6 frees) = 31.5%
V Sligo 0-21 (5 frees) = 23.8%
V Monaghan 0-18 (7 frees) 38.8%
In fact, overall in the championship we have score 101 points, of which 31 where frees. Amazingly that means only 30% of our scores are from frees and in fact
70% come from play.
I'd say your analysis is pretty lazy. A bit like you saying we only beat you in 2008 because of the brilliance of Steven O'Neill!
Oh dear, scientific analysis can be a bitch at times! ;) 8)
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 22, 2015, 07:53:39 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on August 22, 2015, 12:53:39 AM
Quote from: Canalman on August 21, 2015, 05:16:57 PM
Being brutally honest but I don't think the Tyrone forwards are a patch on the noughties ones. Chalk and Cheese.
Kerry to win handily imo.
+1
Tyrone didnt have the firepower to beat Mayo in 2013 semi final and that forward line hasn't improved much since . They don't seem to have many forwards that will raise green flags. Tyrone will make game for 40-50 minutes then Kerry will pull away and win by 10+ . Tyrone forwards in championship have struggled against Donegal last 3 championship games, Mayo 2013 and Kerry 2012. Could see in all games never looked like winning.Tieran McCann and Mark Bradley are players for the future and hopefully they will get a couple others from 21 winning team. They had a couple powerful lads in the full forward line who might make impact next year
Our forwards contributed more scores from play than Mayo did in the 2013 semi-final.
I think it's lazy analysis to say that we don't have the firepower to beat Kerry, we don't play a game that needs our inside forwards to be notching up big scores to win games. If McCurry and McAliskey can contribute about 10 points on Sunday we are well in with a shout and I believe that's more than within their capabilities, people keep going on and on about Kerry's firepower and how we will be able to cope with then but they are not focusing on how a porous Kerry defence will cope with what we have.
In league and Championship these were our concessions:
Monaghan 1-13 (16)
Mayo 1-07 (10)
Derry 1-08 (11)
Dublin 1-09 (12)
Cork 0-17 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Kerry 1-14 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Limerick 0-08 (8)
Meath 0-11 (11)
Tipperary 0-09 (9)
Sligo 0-14 (14)
Monaghan 0-14 (14)
In the 13 league and championship games this year, the highest score we have conceded is 17 points and Tyrone have been getting better and better with each passing game. After the league meeting with Monaghan Mickey went back to basics and the defence really started to tighten up and improve. Our attacking gameplan really struggled in that time though and it wasn't until the second half in the Tipp game that it looked to click into gear, since then I've been very pleased with the smoothness and speed with which we develop our play now and our efficiency in front of the posts the last day out against Monaghan was brilliant. I think if we can turn in a similar performance against Monaghan we can win on Sunday, there's not that much of a gulf between the teams despite what the experts say.
I can only hope the lads have been hearing some of the coverage and expert verdicts for this game. Tyrone have been completely dismissed out of hand and told they have nowhere near the quality of players Kerry have which is just nonsense, we have the players to push them and beat them and I hope we do it. It's a bit like the u21 Championship this year where we were bizarrely 9/4 outsiders against an average Roscommon side and wrote off by all the experts and proceeded to stroll home against them without needing to break sweat.
There no doubting Tyrone defense however they haven't met the quality of Kerry forwards in championship game yet. To beat Kerry you need goals. Ye have scored 6 goals in 13 games between championship and league. Ye wont score scored 15+ points against Kerry
Logic would dictate that Kerry will win by 2-3 points, possibly pulling up at that.
This is, however, Tyrone versus Kerry in Croke Park, and that will be worth 2-3 points to ourselves I reckon, since there's nothing to compare to extract that very last scintilla of effort, blood, sweat, and whatever other harmless by-product from the Tyrone lads. Therefore it will come down to a last kick, and what a kick that will be! ;)
Safe journeys you all, from whatever quarter you hail. :)
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2015, 09:37:02 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 22, 2015, 09:23:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 22, 2015, 07:53:39 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on August 22, 2015, 12:53:39 AM
Quote from: Canalman on August 21, 2015, 05:16:57 PM
Being brutally honest but I don't think the Tyrone forwards are a patch on the noughties ones. Chalk and Cheese.
Kerry to win handily imo.
+1
Tyrone didnt have the firepower to beat Mayo in 2013 semi final and that forward line hasn't improved much since . They don't seem to have many forwards that will raise green flags. Tyrone will make game for 40-50 minutes then Kerry will pull away and win by 10+ . Tyrone forwards in championship have struggled against Donegal last 3 championship games, Mayo 2013 and Kerry 2012. Could see in all games never looked like winning.Tieran McCann and Mark Bradley are players for the future and hopefully they will get a couple others from 21 winning team. They had a couple powerful lads in the full forward line who might make impact next year
Our forwards contributed more scores from play than Mayo did in the 2013 semi-final.
I think it's lazy analysis to say that we don't have the firepower to beat Kerry, we don't play a game that needs our inside forwards to be notching up big scores to win games. If McCurry and McAliskey can contribute about 10 points on Sunday we are well in with a shout and I believe that's more than within their capabilities, people keep going on and on about Kerry's firepower and how we will be able to cope with then but they are not focusing on how a porous Kerry defence will cope with what we have.
In league and Championship these were our concessions:
Monaghan 1-13 (16)
Mayo 1-07 (10)
Derry 1-08 (11)
Dublin 1-09 (12)
Cork 0-17 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Kerry 1-14 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Limerick 0-08 (8)
Meath 0-11 (11)
Tipperary 0-09 (9)
Sligo 0-14 (14)
Monaghan 0-14 (14)
In the 13 league and championship games this year, the highest score we have conceded is 17 points and Tyrone have been getting better and better with each passing game. After the league meeting with Monaghan Mickey went back to basics and the defence really started to tighten up and improve. Our attacking gameplan really struggled in that time though and it wasn't until the second half in the Tipp game that it looked to click into gear, since then I've been very pleased with the smoothness and speed with which we develop our play now and our efficiency in front of the posts the last day out against Monaghan was brilliant. I think if we can turn in a similar performance against Monaghan we can win on Sunday, there's not that much of a gulf between the teams despite what the experts say.
I can only hope the lads have been hearing some of the coverage and expert verdicts for this game. Tyrone have been completely dismissed out of hand and told they have nowhere near the quality of players Kerry have which is just nonsense, we have the players to push them and beat them and I hope we do it. It's a bit like the u21 Championship this year where we were bizarrely 9/4 outsiders against an average Roscommon side and wrote off by all the experts and proceeded to stroll home against them without needing to break sweat.
It's not lazy analysis when in some games 70 percent of your scores are coming from frees . You're up against the wall tomorrow and Any given Sunday speeches are unlikely to be enough.
You will mass the defence and do a mc Guinness. No rocket science there
So how many times has this happened this year?
V Donegal 1-10 (3. frees) = 23%
V Limerick 1-14 (6 frees) = 35%
V Meath 1-10 (1-1 frees) = 31%
V Tipp 0-19 (6 frees) = 31.5%
V Sligo 0-21 (5 frees) = 23.8%
V Monaghan 0-18 (7 frees) 38.8%
In fact, overall in the championship we have score 101 points, of which 31 where frees. Amazingly that means only 30% of our scores are from frees and in fact 70% come from play.
I'd say your analysis is pretty lazy. A bit like you saying we only beat you in 2008 because of the brilliance of Steven O'Neill!
Ita was at this moment Indiana knew...... he fu*ked up! ;D ;D ;D
Three times Mickey Harte has played Kerry in Croke, and three times he's won; each time without exception Kerry were favourites -- every reasonable or otherwise argument I've seen on this thread as to why we haven't a chance I've seen three times before in recent memory.
That's why it's no foregone conclusion ;)
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2015, 09:37:02 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 22, 2015, 09:23:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 22, 2015, 07:53:39 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on August 22, 2015, 12:53:39 AM
Quote from: Canalman on August 21, 2015, 05:16:57 PM
Being brutally honest but I don't think the Tyrone forwards are a patch on the noughties ones. Chalk and Cheese.
Kerry to win handily imo.
+1
Tyrone didnt have the firepower to beat Mayo in 2013 semi final and that forward line hasn't improved much since . They don't seem to have many forwards that will raise green flags. Tyrone will make game for 40-50 minutes then Kerry will pull away and win by 10+ . Tyrone forwards in championship have struggled against Donegal last 3 championship games, Mayo 2013 and Kerry 2012. Could see in all games never looked like winning.Tieran McCann and Mark Bradley are players for the future and hopefully they will get a couple others from 21 winning team. They had a couple powerful lads in the full forward line who might make impact next year
Our forwards contributed more scores from play than Mayo did in the 2013 semi-final.
I think it's lazy analysis to say that we don't have the firepower to beat Kerry, we don't play a game that needs our inside forwards to be notching up big scores to win games. If McCurry and McAliskey can contribute about 10 points on Sunday we are well in with a shout and I believe that's more than within their capabilities, people keep going on and on about Kerry's firepower and how we will be able to cope with then but they are not focusing on how a porous Kerry defence will cope with what we have.
In league and Championship these were our concessions:
Monaghan 1-13 (16)
Mayo 1-07 (10)
Derry 1-08 (11)
Dublin 1-09 (12)
Cork 0-17 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Kerry 1-14 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Limerick 0-08 (8)
Meath 0-11 (11)
Tipperary 0-09 (9)
Sligo 0-14 (14)
Monaghan 0-14 (14)
In the 13 league and championship games this year, the highest score we have conceded is 17 points and Tyrone have been getting better and better with each passing game. After the league meeting with Monaghan Mickey went back to basics and the defence really started to tighten up and improve. Our attacking gameplan really struggled in that time though and it wasn't until the second half in the Tipp game that it looked to click into gear, since then I've been very pleased with the smoothness and speed with which we develop our play now and our efficiency in front of the posts the last day out against Monaghan was brilliant. I think if we can turn in a similar performance against Monaghan we can win on Sunday, there's not that much of a gulf between the teams despite what the experts say.
I can only hope the lads have been hearing some of the coverage and expert verdicts for this game. Tyrone have been completely dismissed out of hand and told they have nowhere near the quality of players Kerry have which is just nonsense, we have the players to push them and beat them and I hope we do it. It's a bit like the u21 Championship this year where we were bizarrely 9/4 outsiders against an average Roscommon side and wrote off by all the experts and proceeded to stroll home against them without needing to break sweat.
It's not lazy analysis when in some games 70 percent of your scores are coming from frees . You're up against the wall tomorrow and Any given Sunday speeches are unlikely to be enough.
You will mass the defence and do a mc Guinness. No rocket science there
So how many times has this happened this year?
V Donegal 1-10 (3. frees) = 23%
V Limerick 1-14 (6 frees) = 35%
V Meath 1-10 (1-1 frees) = 31%
V Tipp 0-19 (6 frees) = 31.5%
V Sligo 0-21 (5 frees) = 23.8%
V Monaghan 0-18 (7 frees) 38.8%
In fact, overall in the championship we have score 101 points, of which 31 where frees. Amazingly that means only 30% of our scores are from frees and in fact 70% come from play.
I'd say your analysis is pretty lazy. A bit like you saying we only beat you in 2008 because of the brilliance of Steven O'Neill!
Ouch.
Quote from: Gael85 on August 22, 2015, 10:16:02 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 22, 2015, 07:53:39 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on August 22, 2015, 12:53:39 AM
Quote from: Canalman on August 21, 2015, 05:16:57 PM
Being brutally honest but I don't think the Tyrone forwards are a patch on the noughties ones. Chalk and Cheese.
Kerry to win handily imo.
+1
Tyrone didnt have the firepower to beat Mayo in 2013 semi final and that forward line hasn't improved much since . They don't seem to have many forwards that will raise green flags. Tyrone will make game for 40-50 minutes then Kerry will pull away and win by 10+ . Tyrone forwards in championship have struggled against Donegal last 3 championship games, Mayo 2013 and Kerry 2012. Could see in all games never looked like winning.Tieran McCann and Mark Bradley are players for the future and hopefully they will get a couple others from 21 winning team. They had a couple powerful lads in the full forward line who might make impact next year
Our forwards contributed more scores from play than Mayo did in the 2013 semi-final.
I think it's lazy analysis to say that we don't have the firepower to beat Kerry, we don't play a game that needs our inside forwards to be notching up big scores to win games. If McCurry and McAliskey can contribute about 10 points on Sunday we are well in with a shout and I believe that's more than within their capabilities, people keep going on and on about Kerry's firepower and how we will be able to cope with then but they are not focusing on how a porous Kerry defence will cope with what we have.
In league and Championship these were our concessions:
Monaghan 1-13 (16)
Mayo 1-07 (10)
Derry 1-08 (11)
Dublin 1-09 (12)
Cork 0-17 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Kerry 1-14 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Limerick 0-08 (8)
Meath 0-11 (11)
Tipperary 0-09 (9)
Sligo 0-14 (14)
Monaghan 0-14 (14)
In the 13 league and championship games this year, the highest score we have conceded is 17 points and Tyrone have been getting better and better with each passing game. After the league meeting with Monaghan Mickey went back to basics and the defence really started to tighten up and improve. Our attacking gameplan really struggled in that time though and it wasn't until the second half in the Tipp game that it looked to click into gear, since then I've been very pleased with the smoothness and speed with which we develop our play now and our efficiency in front of the posts the last day out against Monaghan was brilliant. I think if we can turn in a similar performance against Monaghan we can win on Sunday, there's not that much of a gulf between the teams despite what the experts say.
I can only hope the lads have been hearing some of the coverage and expert verdicts for this game. Tyrone have been completely dismissed out of hand and told they have nowhere near the quality of players Kerry have which is just nonsense, we have the players to push them and beat them and I hope we do it. It's a bit like the u21 Championship this year where we were bizarrely 9/4 outsiders against an average Roscommon side and wrote off by all the experts and proceeded to stroll home against them without needing to break sweat.
There no doubting Tyrone defense however they haven't met the quality of Kerry forwards in championship game yet. To beat Kerry you need goals. Ye have scored 6 goals in 13 games between championship and league. Ye wont score scored 15+ points against Kerry
I'm fairly confident we'll score 15+ points tomorrow.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2015, 09:37:02 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 22, 2015, 09:23:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 22, 2015, 07:53:39 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on August 22, 2015, 12:53:39 AM
Quote from: Canalman on August 21, 2015, 05:16:57 PM
Being brutally honest but I don't think the Tyrone forwards are a patch on the noughties ones. Chalk and Cheese.
Kerry to win handily imo.
+1
Tyrone didnt have the firepower to beat Mayo in 2013 semi final and that forward line hasn't improved much since . They don't seem to have many forwards that will raise green flags. Tyrone will make game for 40-50 minutes then Kerry will pull away and win by 10+ . Tyrone forwards in championship have struggled against Donegal last 3 championship games, Mayo 2013 and Kerry 2012. Could see in all games never looked like winning.Tieran McCann and Mark Bradley are players for the future and hopefully they will get a couple others from 21 winning team. They had a couple powerful lads in the full forward line who might make impact next year
Our forwards contributed more scores from play than Mayo did in the 2013 semi-final.
I think it's lazy analysis to say that we don't have the firepower to beat Kerry, we don't play a game that needs our inside forwards to be notching up big scores to win games. If McCurry and McAliskey can contribute about 10 points on Sunday we are well in with a shout and I believe that's more than within their capabilities, people keep going on and on about Kerry's firepower and how we will be able to cope with then but they are not focusing on how a porous Kerry defence will cope with what we have.
In league and Championship these were our concessions:
Monaghan 1-13 (16)
Mayo 1-07 (10)
Derry 1-08 (11)
Dublin 1-09 (12)
Cork 0-17 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Kerry 1-14 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Limerick 0-08 (8)
Meath 0-11 (11)
Tipperary 0-09 (9)
Sligo 0-14 (14)
Monaghan 0-14 (14)
In the 13 league and championship games this year, the highest score we have conceded is 17 points and Tyrone have been getting better and better with each passing game. After the league meeting with Monaghan Mickey went back to basics and the defence really started to tighten up and improve. Our attacking gameplan really struggled in that time though and it wasn't until the second half in the Tipp game that it looked to click into gear, since then I've been very pleased with the smoothness and speed with which we develop our play now and our efficiency in front of the posts the last day out against Monaghan was brilliant. I think if we can turn in a similar performance against Monaghan we can win on Sunday, there's not that much of a gulf between the teams despite what the experts say.
I can only hope the lads have been hearing some of the coverage and expert verdicts for this game. Tyrone have been completely dismissed out of hand and told they have nowhere near the quality of players Kerry have which is just nonsense, we have the players to push them and beat them and I hope we do it. It's a bit like the u21 Championship this year where we were bizarrely 9/4 outsiders against an average Roscommon side and wrote off by all the experts and proceeded to stroll home against them without needing to break sweat.
It's not lazy analysis when in some games 70 percent of your scores are coming from frees . You're up against the wall tomorrow and Any given Sunday speeches are unlikely to be enough.
You will mass the defence and do a mc Guinness. No rocket science there
So how many times has this happened this year?
V Donegal 1-10 (3. frees) = 23%
V Limerick 1-14 (6 frees) = 35%
V Meath 1-10 (1-1 frees) = 31%
V Tipp 0-19 (6 frees) = 31.5%
V Sligo 0-21 (5 frees) = 23.8%
V Monaghan 0-18 (7 frees) 38.8%
In fact, overall in the championship we have score 101 points, of which 31 where frees. Amazingly that means only 30% of our scores are from frees and in fact 70% come from play.
I'd say your analysis is pretty lazy. A bit like you saying we only beat you in 2008 because of the brilliance of Steven O'Neill!
Ha ha Indiana, where did you pull the 70% from frees out of...have you even watched any of Tyrone's games this year. Not a clue!
Has anyone any idea of the likely attendance tomorrow?
61'442
Quote from: Tommo2 on August 22, 2015, 02:32:22 PM
Has anyone any idea of the likely attendance tomorrow?
I couldn't say but I'm assured at least 1 car load left Cahirciveen, Kenmare AND Killorglin..which is a huge increase.
Safe journey to all travelling today/tomorrow..even those coming through Aughnacloy! :P
Safer than it used to be...
Best of luck to the redhands and the kingdom. I fear deegan might to a job on tyrone tomorrow but failing that we travel in hope that we can give the mighty Kingdom a game.
Well I travel more so in hope than expectation but still feels terrific to be back in the business end of AI championships. Hope we give a good account of ourselves and show that McCurry, Harte and Mattie are truly intercounty standard footballers.
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Being brutally honest but I don't think the Tyrone forwards are a patch on the noughties ones. Chalk and Cheese.
Kerry to win handily imo.
+1
Tyrone didnt have the firepower to beat Mayo in 2013 semi final and that forward line hasn't improved much since . They don't seem to have many forwards that will raise green flags. Tyrone will make game for 40-50 minutes then Kerry will pull away and win by 10+ . Tyrone forwards in championship have struggled against Donegal last 3 championship games, Mayo 2013 and Kerry 2012. Could see in all games never looked like winning.Tieran McCann and Mark Bradley are players for the future and hopefully they will get a couple others from 21 winning team. They had a couple powerful lads in the full forward line who might make impact next year
Our forwards contributed more scores from play than Mayo did in the 2013 semi-final.
I think it's lazy analysis to say that we don't have the firepower to beat Kerry, we don't play a game that needs our inside forwards to be notching up big scores to win games. If McCurry and McAliskey can contribute about 10 points on Sunday we are well in with a shout and I believe that's more than within their capabilities, people keep going on and on about Kerry's firepower and how we will be able to cope with then but they are not focusing on how a porous Kerry defence will cope with what we have.
In league and Championship these were our concessions:
Monaghan 1-13 (16)
Mayo 1-07 (10)
Derry 1-08 (11)
Dublin 1-09 (12)
Cork 0-17 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Kerry 1-14 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Limerick 0-08 (8)
Meath 0-11 (11)
Tipperary 0-09 (9)
Sligo 0-14 (14)
Monaghan 0-14 (14)
In the 13 league and championship games this year, the highest score we have conceded is 17 points and Tyrone have been getting better and better with each passing game. After the league meeting with Monaghan Mickey went back to basics and the defence really started to tighten up and improve. Our attacking gameplan really struggled in that time though and it wasn't until the second half in the Tipp game that it looked to click into gear, since then I've been very pleased with the smoothness and speed with which we develop our play now and our efficiency in front of the posts the last day out against Monaghan was brilliant. I think if we can turn in a similar performance against Monaghan we can win on Sunday, there's not that much of a gulf between the teams despite what the experts say.
I can only hope the lads have been hearing some of the coverage and expert verdicts for this game. Tyrone have been completely dismissed out of hand and told they have nowhere near the quality of players Kerry have which is just nonsense, we have the players to push them and beat them and I hope we do it. It's a bit like the u21 Championship this year where we were bizarrely 9/4 outsiders against an average Roscommon side and wrote off by all the experts and proceeded to stroll home against them without needing to break sweat.
It's not lazy analysis when in some games 70 percent of your scores are coming from frees . You're up against the wall tomorrow and Any given Sunday speeches are unlikely to be enough.
You will mass the defence and do a mc Guinness. No rocket science there
So how many times has this happened this year?
V Donegal 1-10 (3. frees) = 23%
V Limerick 1-14 (6 frees) = 35%
V Meath 1-10 (1-1 frees) = 31%
V Tipp 0-19 (6 frees) = 31.5%
V Sligo 0-21 (5 frees) = 23.8%
V Monaghan 0-18 (7 frees) 38.8%
In fact, overall in the championship we have score 101 points, of which 31 where frees. Amazingly that means only 30% of our scores are from frees and in fact 70% come from play.
I'd say your analysis is pretty lazy. A bit like you saying we only beat you in 2008 because of the brilliance of Steven O'Neill!
Ha ha Indiana, where did you pull the 70% from frees out of...have you even watched any of Tyrone's games this year. Not a clue!
;D ;D ;D
And I suppose without our free kick specialist SON this would rule us out our chances if we meet the Dubs in the final? ::)
Indie you really can be a wally sometimes in your blind hatred of Tyrone, if you just said, "I don't like yis, so I don't think yis will win" that would be more logical.... and truthful
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Being brutally honest but I don't think the Tyrone forwards are a patch on the noughties ones. Chalk and Cheese.
Kerry to win handily imo.
+1
Tyrone didnt have the firepower to beat Mayo in 2013 semi final and that forward line hasn't improved much since . They don't seem to have many forwards that will raise green flags. Tyrone will make game for 40-50 minutes then Kerry will pull away and win by 10+ . Tyrone forwards in championship have struggled against Donegal last 3 championship games, Mayo 2013 and Kerry 2012. Could see in all games never looked like winning.Tieran McCann and Mark Bradley are players for the future and hopefully they will get a couple others from 21 winning team. They had a couple powerful lads in the full forward line who might make impact next year
Our forwards contributed more scores from play than Mayo did in the 2013 semi-final.
I think it's lazy analysis to say that we don't have the firepower to beat Kerry, we don't play a game that needs our inside forwards to be notching up big scores to win games. If McCurry and McAliskey can contribute about 10 points on Sunday we are well in with a shout and I believe that's more than within their capabilities, people keep going on and on about Kerry's firepower and how we will be able to cope with then but they are not focusing on how a porous Kerry defence will cope with what we have.
In league and Championship these were our concessions:
Monaghan 1-13 (16)
Mayo 1-07 (10)
Derry 1-08 (11)
Dublin 1-09 (12)
Cork 0-17 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Kerry 1-14 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Limerick 0-08 (8)
Meath 0-11 (11)
Tipperary 0-09 (9)
Sligo 0-14 (14)
Monaghan 0-14 (14)
In the 13 league and championship games this year, the highest score we have conceded is 17 points and Tyrone have been getting better and better with each passing game. After the league meeting with Monaghan Mickey went back to basics and the defence really started to tighten up and improve. Our attacking gameplan really struggled in that time though and it wasn't until the second half in the Tipp game that it looked to click into gear, since then I've been very pleased with the smoothness and speed with which we develop our play now and our efficiency in front of the posts the last day out against Monaghan was brilliant. I think if we can turn in a similar performance against Monaghan we can win on Sunday, there's not that much of a gulf between the teams despite what the experts say.
I can only hope the lads have been hearing some of the coverage and expert verdicts for this game. Tyrone have been completely dismissed out of hand and told they have nowhere near the quality of players Kerry have which is just nonsense, we have the players to push them and beat them and I hope we do it. It's a bit like the u21 Championship this year where we were bizarrely 9/4 outsiders against an average Roscommon side and wrote off by all the experts and proceeded to stroll home against them without needing to break sweat.
It's not lazy analysis when in some games 70 percent of your scores are coming from frees . You're up against the wall tomorrow and Any given Sunday speeches are unlikely to be enough.
You will mass the defence and do a mc Guinness. No rocket science there
So how many times has this happened this year?
V Donegal 1-10 (3. frees) = 23%
V Limerick 1-14 (6 frees) = 35%
V Meath 1-10 (1-1 frees) = 31%
V Tipp 0-19 (6 frees) = 31.5%
V Sligo 0-21 (5 frees) = 23.8%
V Monaghan 0-18 (7 frees) 38.8%
In fact, overall in the championship we have score 101 points, of which 31 where frees. Amazingly that means only 30% of our scores are from frees and in fact 70% come from play.
I'd say your analysis is pretty lazy. A bit like you saying we only beat you in 2008 because of the brilliance of Steven O'Neill!
Ha ha Indiana, where did you pull the 70% from frees out of...have you even watched any of Tyrone's games this year. Not a clue!
;D ;D ;D
And I suppose without our free kick specialist SON this would rule us out our chances if we meet the Dubs in the final? ::)
Indie you really can be a wally sometimes in your blind hatred of Tyrone, if you just said, "I don't like yis, so I don't think yis will win" that would be more logical.... and truthful
Will tiernans hair be ok in the rain tomorrow ? I heard the GAA are considering a postponement
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Being brutally honest but I don't think the Tyrone forwards are a patch on the noughties ones. Chalk and Cheese.
Kerry to win handily imo.
+1
Tyrone didnt have the firepower to beat Mayo in 2013 semi final and that forward line hasn't improved much since . They don't seem to have many forwards that will raise green flags. Tyrone will make game for 40-50 minutes then Kerry will pull away and win by 10+ . Tyrone forwards in championship have struggled against Donegal last 3 championship games, Mayo 2013 and Kerry 2012. Could see in all games never looked like winning.Tieran McCann and Mark Bradley are players for the future and hopefully they will get a couple others from 21 winning team. They had a couple powerful lads in the full forward line who might make impact next year
Our forwards contributed more scores from play than Mayo did in the 2013 semi-final.
I think it's lazy analysis to say that we don't have the firepower to beat Kerry, we don't play a game that needs our inside forwards to be notching up big scores to win games. If McCurry and McAliskey can contribute about 10 points on Sunday we are well in with a shout and I believe that's more than within their capabilities, people keep going on and on about Kerry's firepower and how we will be able to cope with then but they are not focusing on how a porous Kerry defence will cope with what we have.
In league and Championship these were our concessions:
Monaghan 1-13 (16)
Mayo 1-07 (10)
Derry 1-08 (11)
Dublin 1-09 (12)
Cork 0-17 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Kerry 1-14 (17)
Donegal 1-13 (16)
Limerick 0-08 (8)
Meath 0-11 (11)
Tipperary 0-09 (9)
Sligo 0-14 (14)
Monaghan 0-14 (14)
In the 13 league and championship games this year, the highest score we have conceded is 17 points and Tyrone have been getting better and better with each passing game. After the league meeting with Monaghan Mickey went back to basics and the defence really started to tighten up and improve. Our attacking gameplan really struggled in that time though and it wasn't until the second half in the Tipp game that it looked to click into gear, since then I've been very pleased with the smoothness and speed with which we develop our play now and our efficiency in front of the posts the last day out against Monaghan was brilliant. I think if we can turn in a similar performance against Monaghan we can win on Sunday, there's not that much of a gulf between the teams despite what the experts say.
I can only hope the lads have been hearing some of the coverage and expert verdicts for this game. Tyrone have been completely dismissed out of hand and told they have nowhere near the quality of players Kerry have which is just nonsense, we have the players to push them and beat them and I hope we do it. It's a bit like the u21 Championship this year where we were bizarrely 9/4 outsiders against an average Roscommon side and wrote off by all the experts and proceeded to stroll home against them without needing to break sweat.
It's not lazy analysis when in some games 70 percent of your scores are coming from frees . You're up against the wall tomorrow and Any given Sunday speeches are unlikely to be enough.
You will mass the defence and do a mc Guinness. No rocket science there
So how many times has this happened this year?
V Donegal 1-10 (3. frees) = 23%
V Limerick 1-14 (6 frees) = 35%
V Meath 1-10 (1-1 frees) = 31%
V Tipp 0-19 (6 frees) = 31.5%
V Sligo 0-21 (5 frees) = 23.8%
V Monaghan 0-18 (7 frees) 38.8%
In fact, overall in the championship we have score 101 points, of which 31 where frees. Amazingly that means only 30% of our scores are from frees and in fact 70% come from play.
I'd say your analysis is pretty lazy. A bit like you saying we only beat you in 2008 because of the brilliance of Steven O'Neill!
Ha ha Indiana, where did you pull the 70% from frees out of...have you even watched any of Tyrone's games this year. Not a clue!
;D ;D ;D
And I suppose without our free kick specialist SON this would rule us out our chances if we meet the Dubs in the final? ::)
Indie you really can be a wally sometimes in your blind hatred of Tyrone, if you just said, "I don't like yis, so I don't think yis will win" that would be more logical.... and truthful
Will tiernans hair be ok in the rain tomorrow ? I heard the GAA are considering a postponement
Poor, very poor! ::)
I've no doubt we're in with a great chance tomorrow. I think 4 to 1 is a huge price. We're an extremely fit team with a good mixture of youth and experience and a lot of players that can play football. People keep talking of Kerry's bench but at the end of the day there'll only be 15 on the pitch at any one time.
I suspect Kerry will try to do something similar to what they did versus Donegal last year. It's not the way they've played all year and we will come at them with more pace. Our biggest problem will be keeping donaghys influence limited.
Hopefully after the disgraceful media agenda in recent weeks we get a fair crack tomorrow, and if we do could well end up more than a match for Kerry.
Best of luck to the Kingdom tomorrow against the cheaters and divers, it won't be a good game as Tyrone will as they always do bring the game into the gutter but as long as the Kingdom overcome the thuggery then it will be a great day :)
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 22, 2015, 05:55:52 PM
Best of luck to the Kingdom tomorrow against the cheaters and divers, it won't be a good game as Tyrone will as they always do bring the game into the gutter but as long as the Kingdom overcome the thuggery then it will be a great day :)
Lick the back of them
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 22, 2015, 05:55:52 PM
Best of luck to the Kingdom tomorrow against the cheaters and divers, it won't be a good game as Tyrone will as they always do bring the game into the gutter but as long as the Kingdom overcome the thuggery then it will be a great day :)
Oh you poor naive innocent little child. You have been reading to many of the fairy tales the media bombard you with.
Good luck to the Kingdom tomorrow. There's a lot of uncertantity about the result of this game will have. I also think it will be hard to call. For us to win we will have to get on with the business of playing to our game plan unlike Monaghan who got got riled by Tyrone and caught up in the dark arts and lost their focus completely.
Hopefully the Tyrone players might have learned a lesson from all the negativity surrounding them and may actually play more honestly and sportingly than previously?
Anyway - safe travelling to all supporters from both counties. May the best team win !!! :-)
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 22, 2015, 05:48:23 PM
I've no doubt we're in with a great chance tomorrow. I think 4 to 1 is a huge price. We're an extremely fit team with a good mixture of youth and experience and a lot of players that can play football. People keep talking of Kerry's bench but at the end of the day there'll only be 15 on the pitch at any one time.
I suspect Kerry will try to do something similar to what they did versus Donegal last year. It's not the way they've played all year and we will come at them with more pace. Our biggest problem will be keeping donaghys influence limited.
Hopefully after the disgraceful media agenda in recent weeks we get a fair crack tomorrow, and if we do could well end up more than a match for Kerry.
Pray for the rain. It's your only chance.
Keep playing East 17 Tunes all the way up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bus1Imtinis
I hope you win sincerely. Makes Dublin/Mayo'd job a lot easier
Best of luck to the Kingdom! This will finally put an end to Mickey Hartes reign as Tyrone Manager. Despite all their talk, Tyrone were beaten by Kerry as the team of the Decade for the 00s. Kerry won 4 AIs in that period. In fact Tyrone were not even the team of that decade in Ulster with Armagh winning 6 and Tyrone winning 4! I suppose it is Kerrys duty to rid football of this scourge and return to real football.
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Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 22, 2015, 05:48:23 PM
I've no doubt we're in with a great chance tomorrow. I think 4 to 1 is a huge price. We're an extremely fit team with a good mixture of youth and experience and a lot of players that can play football. People keep talking of Kerry's bench but at the end of the day there'll only be 15 on the pitch at any one time.
I suspect Kerry will try to do something similar to what they did versus Donegal last year. It's not the way they've played all year and we will come at them with more pace. Our biggest problem will be keeping donaghys influence limited.
Hopefully after the disgraceful media agenda in recent weeks we get a fair crack tomorrow, and if we do could well end up more than a match for Kerry.
Pray for the rain. It's your only chance.
Keep playing East 17 Tunes all the way up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bus1Imtinis
I hope you win sincerely. Makes Dublin/Mayo'd job a lot easier
Contrary to that, the rain helps Kerry.
Tyrone are the optimum summer football team, the three times we have met Kerry at Croke Park under Mickey Harte have been lovely dry days. Tyrone have the smaller, pacier footballers, Kerry have the bigger, more physical players and rain benefits those types of players.
I'm hoping it's dry. I'm also hoping Deegan is strong in this game and stamps out the tactical fouling, the foul count in the league game was 32-14 to Kerry in the league meeting this year. O'Brien and Walsh are foul machines in the middle are of the field and will try to stop us from breaking from defence quickly, I hope Deegan does not allow them to escape with the persistent and systematic fouling they will employ.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 22, 2015, 08:48:36 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 22, 2015, 08:19:01 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 22, 2015, 05:48:23 PM
I've no doubt we're in with a great chance tomorrow. I think 4 to 1 is a huge price. We're an extremely fit team with a good mixture of youth and experience and a lot of players that can play football. People keep talking of Kerry's bench but at the end of the day there'll only be 15 on the pitch at any one time.
I suspect Kerry will try to do something similar to what they did versus Donegal last year. It's not the way they've played all year and we will come at them with more pace. Our biggest problem will be keeping donaghys influence limited.
Hopefully after the disgraceful media agenda in recent weeks we get a fair crack tomorrow, and if we do could well end up more than a match for Kerry.
Pray for the rain. It's your only chance.
Keep playing East 17 Tunes all the way up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bus1Imtinis
I hope you win sincerely. Makes Dublin/Mayo'd job a lot easier
Contrary to that, the rain helps Kerry.
Tyrone are the optimum summer football team, the three times we have met Kerry at Croke Park under Mickey Harte have been lovely dry days. Tyrone have the smaller, pacier footballers, Kerry have the bigger, more physical players and rain benefits those types of players.
I'm hoping it's dry. I'm also hoping Deegan is strong in this game and stamps out the tactical fouling, the foul count in the league game was 32-14 to Kerry in the league meeting this year. O'Brien and Walsh are foul machines in the middle are of the field and will try to stop us from breaking from defence quickly, I hope Deegan does not allow them to escape with the persistent and systematic fouling they will employ.
I think Indie's logic is something like this.... SON was the difference between us back in the day....then without him in 08 we meet Dublin in the rain....and hammered them out the gate, therefore the difference without SON was the rain..... therefore Tyrone can play very well in the rain.
Would that be right Indie?
Only problem is that it ignores Kerry's Munster final replay win in the rain after getting out of jail in the dry, and looked pretty impressive in doing so. So based on your previous conclusions, which I assume were in a dry scenario where Kerry are gonna hammer us, if it rains they should hammer us even more...
In other words we're fucked :'( :'( :'(
But wait...... I forgot that dry field scenario was based on the fact that we get 70% of our scores from frees...except we dont ;D, so does that still hold? Or do you still sticking with that anyway despite it being inaccurate?
Or do we actually have a chance after all? ??? ???
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Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on August 22, 2015, 08:19:44 PM
Best of luck to the Kingdom! This will finally put an end to Mickey Hartes reign as Tyrone Manager. Despite all their talk, Tyrone were beaten by Kerry as the team of the Decade for the 00s. Kerry won 4 AIs in that period. In fact Tyrone were not even the team of that decade in Ulster with Armagh winning 6 and Tyrone winning 4! I suppose it is Kerrys duty to rid football of this scourge and return to real football.
Aye, you just keep on telling yourself that 100 times a day for the rest of your life and maybe you'll actually believe it. As Tomas O Se said himself... "When it really counted, we couldn't handle Tyrone."
I have mainly stayed away from the shite talk on here since the Monaghan game.
It's interesting to just experience the build up to a big game in the real world and not in the warped negative anti Tyrone world from a LOT of users on here for a change.
To see all the flags back out in force up home and hearing people getting excited about being back in Croker in mid August really makes me appreciate what the GAA means to us all.
The excitement, nervousness, passion and banter brings it all back.
It's nice to just focus on the positivity again and listen to that good interview with the Off The Ball team and Gormley, McGuigan and Davey Harte.
Pity its gonna be a wet day tomorrow in Croker but we've had a few good wet days before in Croker.
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Some memories
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Quote from: red hander on August 22, 2015, 09:31:35 PM
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on August 22, 2015, 08:19:44 PM
Best of luck to the Kingdom! This will finally put an end to Mickey Hartes reign as Tyrone Manager. Despite all their talk, Tyrone were beaten by Kerry as the team of the Decade for the 00s. Kerry won 4 AIs in that period. In fact Tyrone were not even the team of that decade in Ulster with Armagh winning 6 and Tyrone winning 4! I suppose it is Kerrys duty to rid football of this scourge and return to real football.
Aye, you just keep on telling yourself that 100 times a day for the rest of your life and maybe you'll actually believe it. As Tomas O Se said himself... "When it really counted, we couldn't handle Tyrone."
Kerry to win 0.19 to 0.13.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 22, 2015, 09:13:23 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 22, 2015, 08:48:36 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 22, 2015, 08:19:01 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 22, 2015, 05:48:23 PM
I've no doubt we're in with a great chance tomorrow. I think 4 to 1 is a huge price. We're an extremely fit team with a good mixture of youth and experience and a lot of players that can play football. People keep talking of Kerry's bench but at the end of the day there'll only be 15 on the pitch at any one time.
I suspect Kerry will try to do something similar to what they did versus Donegal last year. It's not the way they've played all year and we will come at them with more pace. Our biggest problem will be keeping donaghys influence limited.
Hopefully after the disgraceful media agenda in recent weeks we get a fair crack tomorrow, and if we do could well end up more than a match for Kerry.
Pray for the rain. It's your only chance.
Keep playing East 17 Tunes all the way up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bus1Imtinis
I hope you win sincerely. Makes Dublin/Mayo'd job a lot easier
Contrary to that, the rain helps Kerry.
Tyrone are the optimum summer football team, the three times we have met Kerry at Croke Park under Mickey Harte have been lovely dry days. Tyrone have the smaller, pacier footballers, Kerry have the bigger, more physical players and rain benefits those types of players.
I'm hoping it's dry. I'm also hoping Deegan is strong in this game and stamps out the tactical fouling, the foul count in the league game was 32-14 to Kerry in the league meeting this year. O'Brien and Walsh are foul machines in the middle are of the field and will try to stop us from breaking from defence quickly, I hope Deegan does not allow them to escape with the persistent and systematic fouling they will employ.
I think Indie's logic is something like this.... SON was the difference between us back in the day....then without him in 08 we meet Dublin in the rain....and hammered them out the gate, therefore the difference without SON was the rain..... therefore Tyrone can play very well in the rain.
Would that be right Indie?
Only problem is that it ignores Kerry's Munster final replay win in the rain after getting out of jail in the dry, and looked pretty impressive in doing so. So based on your previous conclusions, which I assume were in a dry scenario where Kerry are gonna hammer us, if it rains they should hammer us even more...
In other words we're fucked :'( :'( :'(
But wait...... I forgot that dry field scenario was based on the fact that we get 70% of our scores from frees...except we dont ;D, so does that still hold? Or do you still sticking with that anyway despite it being inaccurate?
Or do we actually have a chance after all? ??? ???
.
In 2003-2008 you had a team good enough to be that arrogant.
This ain't it.
Good luck to Derry minors and Tyrone tomorrow. you can both do it.
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I've no doubt we're in with a great chance tomorrow. I think 4 to 1 is a huge price. We're an extremely fit team with a good mixture of youth and experience and a lot of players that can play football. People keep talking of Kerry's bench but at the end of the day there'll only be 15 on the pitch at any one time.
I suspect Kerry will try to do something similar to what they did versus Donegal last year. It's not the way they've played all year and we will come at them with more pace. Our biggest problem will be keeping donaghys influence limited.
Hopefully after the disgraceful media agenda in recent weeks we get a fair crack tomorrow, and if we do could well end up more than a match for Kerry.
Pray for the rain. It's your only chance.
Keep playing East 17 Tunes all the way up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bus1Imtinis
I hope you win sincerely. Makes Dublin/Mayo'd job a lot easier
Contrary to that, the rain helps Kerry.
Tyrone are the optimum summer football team, the three times we have met Kerry at Croke Park under Mickey Harte have been lovely dry days. Tyrone have the smaller, pacier footballers, Kerry have the bigger, more physical players and rain benefits those types of players.
I'm hoping it's dry. I'm also hoping Deegan is strong in this game and stamps out the tactical fouling, the foul count in the league game was 32-14 to Kerry in the league meeting this year. O'Brien and Walsh are foul machines in the middle are of the field and will try to stop us from breaking from defence quickly, I hope Deegan does not allow them to escape with the persistent and systematic fouling they will employ.
I think Indie's logic is something like this.... SON was the difference between us back in the day....then without him in 08 we meet Dublin in the rain....and hammered them out the gate, therefore the difference without SON was the rain..... therefore Tyrone can play very well in the rain.
Would that be right Indie?
Only problem is that it ignores Kerry's Munster final replay win in the rain after getting out of jail in the dry, and looked pretty impressive in doing so. So based on your previous conclusions, which I assume were in a dry scenario where Kerry are gonna hammer us, if it rains they should hammer us even more...
In other words we're fucked :'( :'( :'(
But wait...... I forgot that dry field scenario was based on the fact that we get 70% of our scores from frees...except we dont ;D, so does that still hold? Or do you still sticking with that anyway despite it being inaccurate?
Or do we actually have a chance after all? ??? ???
.
In 2003-2008 you had a team good enough to be that arrogant.
This ain't it.
Good point Indiana, we'll take that on board. Cheers.
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Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 22, 2015, 05:48:23 PM
I've no doubt we're in with a great chance tomorrow. I think 4 to 1 is a huge price. We're an extremely fit team with a good mixture of youth and experience and a lot of players that can play football. People keep talking of Kerry's bench but at the end of the day there'll only be 15 on the pitch at any one time.
I suspect Kerry will try to do something similar to what they did versus Donegal last year. It's not the way they've played all year and we will come at them with more pace. Our biggest problem will be keeping donaghys influence limited.
Hopefully after the disgraceful media agenda in recent weeks we get a fair crack tomorrow, and if we do could well end up more than a match for Kerry.
Pray for the rain. It's your only chance.
Keep playing East 17 Tunes all the way up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bus1Imtinis
I hope you win sincerely. Makes Dublin/Mayo'd job a lot easier
Contrary to that, the rain helps Kerry.
Tyrone are the optimum summer football team, the three times we have met Kerry at Croke Park under Mickey Harte have been lovely dry days. Tyrone have the smaller, pacier footballers, Kerry have the bigger, more physical players and rain benefits those types of players.
I'm hoping it's dry. I'm also hoping Deegan is strong in this game and stamps out the tactical fouling, the foul count in the league game was 32-14 to Kerry in the league meeting this year. O'Brien and Walsh are foul machines in the middle are of the field and will try to stop us from breaking from defence quickly, I hope Deegan does not allow them to escape with the persistent and systematic fouling they will employ.
I think Indie's logic is something like this.... SON was the difference between us back in the day....then without him in 08 we meet Dublin in the rain....and hammered them out the gate, therefore the difference without SON was the rain..... therefore Tyrone can play very well in the rain.
Would that be right Indie?
Only problem is that it ignores Kerry's Munster final replay win in the rain after getting out of jail in the dry, and looked pretty impressive in doing so. So based on your previous conclusions, which I assume were in a dry scenario where Kerry are gonna hammer us, if it rains they should hammer us even more...
In other words we're fucked :'( :'( :'(
But wait...... I forgot that dry field scenario was based on the fact that we get 70% of our scores from frees...except we dont ;D, so does that still hold? Or do you still sticking with that anyway despite it being inaccurate?
Or do we actually have a chance after all? ??? ???
.
In 2003-2008 you had a team good enough to be that arrogant.
This ain't it.
Good point Indiana, we'll take that on board. Cheers.
Arrogant?
;D ;D
I didnt realise takin the hand outta someone who makes up stuff to back up his opinions would Constitute arrogance.... I apologise Indie
And Just to clarify in 03-08 where we good in the dry or wet? and with or without SON?
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Quote from: INDIANA on August 22, 2015, 08:19:01 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 22, 2015, 05:48:23 PM
I've no doubt we're in with a great chance tomorrow. I think 4 to 1 is a huge price. We're an extremely fit team with a good mixture of youth and experience and a lot of players that can play football. People keep talking of Kerry's bench but at the end of the day there'll only be 15 on the pitch at any one time.
I suspect Kerry will try to do something similar to what they did versus Donegal last year. It's not the way they've played all year and we will come at them with more pace. Our biggest problem will be keeping donaghys influence limited.
Hopefully after the disgraceful media agenda in recent weeks we get a fair crack tomorrow, and if we do could well end up more than a match for Kerry.
Pray for the rain. It's your only chance.
Keep playing East 17 Tunes all the way up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bus1Imtinis
I hope you win sincerely. Makes Dublin/Mayo'd job a lot easier
Contrary to that, the rain helps Kerry.
Tyrone are the optimum summer football team, the three times we have met Kerry at Croke Park under Mickey Harte have been lovely dry days. Tyrone have the smaller, pacier footballers, Kerry have the bigger, more physical players and rain benefits those types of players.
I'm hoping it's dry. I'm also hoping Deegan is strong in this game and stamps out the tactical fouling, the foul count in the league game was 32-14 to Kerry in the league meeting this year. O'Brien and Walsh are foul machines in the middle are of the field and will try to stop us from breaking from defence quickly, I hope Deegan does not allow them to escape with the persistent and systematic fouling they will employ.
I think Indie's logic is something like this.... SON was the difference between us back in the day....then without him in 08 we meet Dublin in the rain....and hammered them out the gate, therefore the difference without SON was the rain..... therefore Tyrone can play very well in the rain.
Would that be right Indie?
Only problem is that it ignores Kerry's Munster final replay win in the rain after getting out of jail in the dry, and looked pretty impressive in doing so. So based on your previous conclusions, which I assume were in a dry scenario where Kerry are gonna hammer us, if it rains they should hammer us even more...
In other words we're fucked :'( :'( :'(
But wait...... I forgot that dry field scenario was based on the fact that we get 70% of our scores from frees...except we dont ;D, so does that still hold? Or do you still sticking with that anyway despite it being inaccurate?
Or do we actually have a chance after all? ??? ???
.
In 2003-2008 you had a team good enough to be that arrogant.
This ain't it.
Good point Indiana, we'll take that on board. Cheers.
Arrogant?
;D ;D
I didnt realise takin the hand outta someone who makes up stuff to back up his opinions would Constitute arrogance.... I apologise Indie
And Just to clarify in 03-08 where we good in the dry or wet? and with or without SON?
The trick is to win first then gloat . Not before my friend
Tyrone humiliated the Kerry on their last 3 meetings in Croker. Have Kerry finally found the balls to break the hoodoo of their Croker masters???
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 22, 2015, 07:48:33 PM
Good luck to the Kingdom tomorrow. There's a lot of uncertantity about the result of this game will have. I also think it will be hard to call. Bleh bleh ble ble yerraa, bleh, bleh, bleh, yerraBleh bleh ble ble yerraa, bleh, bleh, bleh, yerra Bleh bleh ble ble yerraa, bleh, bleh, bleh, yerra Bleh bleh ble ble yerraa, bleh, bleh, bleh, yerra bleh.
Hopefully Ble bleh bleh, yerra bleh?
Anyway - safe travelling to all supporters from both counties. May the best team win !!! :-)
fixed.
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Quote from: INDIANA on August 22, 2015, 08:19:01 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 22, 2015, 05:48:23 PM
I've no doubt we're in with a great chance tomorrow. I think 4 to 1 is a huge price. We're an extremely fit team with a good mixture of youth and experience and a lot of players that can play football. People keep talking of Kerry's bench but at the end of the day there'll only be 15 on the pitch at any one time.
I suspect Kerry will try to do something similar to what they did versus Donegal last year. It's not the way they've played all year and we will come at them with more pace. Our biggest problem will be keeping donaghys influence limited.
Hopefully after the disgraceful media agenda in recent weeks we get a fair crack tomorrow, and if we do could well end up more than a match for Kerry.
Pray for the rain. It's your only chance.
Keep playing East 17 Tunes all the way up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bus1Imtinis
I hope you win sincerely. Makes Dublin/Mayo'd job a lot easier
Contrary to that, the rain helps Kerry.
Tyrone are the optimum summer football team, the three times we have met Kerry at Croke Park under Mickey Harte have been lovely dry days. Tyrone have the smaller, pacier footballers, Kerry have the bigger, more physical players and rain benefits those types of players.
I'm hoping it's dry. I'm also hoping Deegan is strong in this game and stamps out the tactical fouling, the foul count in the league game was 32-14 to Kerry in the league meeting this year. O'Brien and Walsh are foul machines in the middle are of the field and will try to stop us from breaking from defence quickly, I hope Deegan does not allow them to escape with the persistent and systematic fouling they will employ.
I think Indie's logic is something like this.... SON was the difference between us back in the day....then without him in 08 we meet Dublin in the rain....and hammered them out the gate, therefore the difference without SON was the rain..... therefore Tyrone can play very well in the rain.
Would that be right Indie?
Only problem is that it ignores Kerry's Munster final replay win in the rain after getting out of jail in the dry, and looked pretty impressive in doing so. So based on your previous conclusions, which I assume were in a dry scenario where Kerry are gonna hammer us, if it rains they should hammer us even more...
In other words we're fucked :'( :'( :'(
But wait...... I forgot that dry field scenario was based on the fact that we get 70% of our scores from frees...except we dont ;D, so does that still hold? Or do you still sticking with that anyway despite it being inaccurate?
Or do we actually have a chance after all? ??? ???
.
In 2003-2008 you had a team good enough to be that arrogant.
This ain't it.
Good point Indiana, we'll take that on board. Cheers.
Arrogant?
;D ;D
I didnt realise takin the hand outta someone who makes up stuff to back up his opinions would Constitute arrogance.... I apologise Indie
And Just to clarify in 03-08 where we good in the dry or wet? and with or without SON?
The trick is to win first then gloat . Not before my friend
::)
The only gloat Im having Indie, is at the error in your logic. ;)
Lighten up man, you loathe Tyrone and your bias made you believe something without the facts to back it up.
Its ok we all have our prejustices so it could happen the best of us. Unfortunately you wrote it on the internet for all to see ;D.....TWICE! ;D ;D
But ye can tell me to go to feck and I will, I can handle it.
Met a Kerry man in work that I haven't seen in a while and mentioned the game to him. "I f**king hate ye c**ts. Ye have the whole county rattled-I hope we bate ye c**ts out the gate-I honestly do f**king hate ye!!" To which I replied"That's odd-we're mad about the Kerry ones!"
"F**k off" was his reply.
Here's hoping for another helter-skelter game tomorrow with a one point Tyrone victory.
Tyrone 3-10 1:15 Kerry.
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Quote from: INDIANA on August 22, 2015, 10:13:52 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 22, 2015, 09:13:23 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 22, 2015, 08:48:36 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 22, 2015, 08:19:01 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 22, 2015, 05:48:23 PM
I've no doubt we're in with a great chance tomorrow. I think 4 to 1 is a huge price. We're an extremely fit team with a good mixture of youth and experience and a lot of players that can play football. People keep talking of Kerry's bench but at the end of the day there'll only be 15 on the pitch at any one time.
I suspect Kerry will try to do something similar to what they did versus Donegal last year. It's not the way they've played all year and we will come at them with more pace. Our biggest problem will be keeping donaghys influence limited.
Hopefully after the disgraceful media agenda in recent weeks we get a fair crack tomorrow, and if we do could well end up more than a match for Kerry.
Pray for the rain. It's your only chance.
Keep playing East 17 Tunes all the way up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bus1Imtinis
I hope you win sincerely. Makes Dublin/Mayo'd job a lot easier
Contrary to that, the rain helps Kerry.
Tyrone are the optimum summer football team, the three times we have met Kerry at Croke Park under Mickey Harte have been lovely dry days. Tyrone have the smaller, pacier footballers, Kerry have the bigger, more physical players and rain benefits those types of players.
I'm hoping it's dry. I'm also hoping Deegan is strong in this game and stamps out the tactical fouling, the foul count in the league game was 32-14 to Kerry in the league meeting this year. O'Brien and Walsh are foul machines in the middle are of the field and will try to stop us from breaking from defence quickly, I hope Deegan does not allow them to escape with the persistent and systematic fouling they will employ.
I think Indie's logic is something like this.... SON was the difference between us back in the day....then without him in 08 we meet Dublin in the rain....and hammered them out the gate, therefore the difference without SON was the rain..... therefore Tyrone can play very well in the rain.
Would that be right Indie?
Only problem is that it ignores Kerry's Munster final replay win in the rain after getting out of jail in the dry, and looked pretty impressive in doing so. So based on your previous conclusions, which I assume were in a dry scenario where Kerry are gonna hammer us, if it rains they should hammer us even more...
In other words we're fucked :'( :'( :'(
But wait...... I forgot that dry field scenario was based on the fact that we get 70% of our scores from frees...except we dont ;D, so does that still hold? Or do you still sticking with that anyway despite it being inaccurate?
Or do we actually have a chance after all? ??? ???
.
In 2003-2008 you had a team good enough to be that arrogant.
This ain't it.
Good point Indiana, we'll take that on board. Cheers.
Arrogant?
;D ;D
I didnt realise takin the hand outta someone who makes up stuff to back up his opinions would Constitute arrogance.... I apologise Indie
And Just to clarify in 03-08 where we good in the dry or wet? and with or without SON?
The trick is to win first then gloat . Not before my friend
::)
The only gloat Im having Indie, is at the error in your logic. ;)
Lighten up man, you loathe Tyrone and your bias made you believe something without the facts to back it up.
Its ok we all have our prejustices so it could happen the best of us. Unfortunately you wrote it on the internet for all to see ;D.....TWICE! ;D ;D
But ye can tell me to go to feck and I will, I can handle it.
All wrong my friend . I've already stated there is serious potential in this Tyrone team . I said that 6 months ago when everybody else laughed . Just not this year .
But the heavens have opened in Dublin. Like Spartacus maybe Tyrone is the giver of rain . The odds have shortened
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Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 22, 2015, 05:48:23 PM
I've no doubt we're in with a great chance tomorrow. I think 4 to 1 is a huge price. We're an extremely fit team with a good mixture of youth and experience and a lot of players that can play football. People keep talking of Kerry's bench but at the end of the day there'll only be 15 on the pitch at any one time.
I suspect Kerry will try to do something similar to what they did versus Donegal last year. It's not the way they've played all year and we will come at them with more pace. Our biggest problem will be keeping donaghys influence limited.
Hopefully after the disgraceful media agenda in recent weeks we get a fair crack tomorrow, and if we do could well end up more than a match for Kerry.
Pray for the rain. It's your only chance.
Keep playing East 17 Tunes all the way up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bus1Imtinis
I hope you win sincerely. Makes Dublin/Mayo'd job a lot easier
Contrary to that, the rain helps Kerry.
Tyrone are the optimum summer football team, the three times we have met Kerry at Croke Park under Mickey Harte have been lovely dry days. Tyrone have the smaller, pacier footballers, Kerry have the bigger, more physical players and rain benefits those types of players.
I'm hoping it's dry. I'm also hoping Deegan is strong in this game and stamps out the tactical fouling, the foul count in the league game was 32-14 to Kerry in the league meeting this year. O'Brien and Walsh are foul machines in the middle are of the field and will try to stop us from breaking from defence quickly, I hope Deegan does not allow them to escape with the persistent and systematic fouling they will employ.
I think Indie's logic is something like this.... SON was the difference between us back in the day....then without him in 08 we meet Dublin in the rain....and hammered them out the gate, therefore the difference without SON was the rain..... therefore Tyrone can play very well in the rain.
Would that be right Indie?
Only problem is that it ignores Kerry's Munster final replay win in the rain after getting out of jail in the dry, and looked pretty impressive in doing so. So based on your previous conclusions, which I assume were in a dry scenario where Kerry are gonna hammer us, if it rains they should hammer us even more...
In other words we're fucked :'( :'( :'(
But wait...... I forgot that dry field scenario was based on the fact that we get 70% of our scores from frees...except we dont ;D, so does that still hold? Or do you still sticking with that anyway despite it being inaccurate?
Or do we actually have a chance after all? ??? ???
.
In 2003-2008 you had a team good enough to be that arrogant.
This ain't it.
Good point Indiana, we'll take that on board. Cheers.
Arrogant?
;D ;D
I didnt realise takin the hand outta someone who makes up stuff to back up his opinions would Constitute arrogance.... I apologise Indie
And Just to clarify in 03-08 where we good in the dry or wet? and with or without SON?
The trick is to win first then gloat . Not before my friend
::)
The only gloat Im having Indie, is at the error in your logic. ;)
Lighten up man, you loathe Tyrone and your bias made you believe something without the facts to back it up.
Its ok we all have our prejustices so it could happen the best of us. Unfortunately you wrote it on the internet for all to see ;D.....TWICE! ;D ;D
But ye can tell me to go to feck and I will, I can handle it.
All wrong my friend . I've already stated there is serious potential in this Tyrone team . I said that 6 months ago when everybody else laughed . Just not this year .
But the heavens have opened in Dublin. Like Spartacus maybe Tyrone is the giver of rain . The odds have shortened
Everyone laughed at your analysis? Surely not!I find that hard to believe! ;D Bring on the rain, bring on SON and bring on 70% of our scores from frees. I'd take a win in any of these scenarios.
I think one possible outcome is that Kerry beat Tyrone just as easily as Mayo beat Donegal - on the basis that Tyrone and Donegal are at a similar level and Kerry are at least as good as Mayo.
But of course extraploting like that often fails in GAA. And it's been mentioned before here that Kerry won the AI a year too early last year. They are definitely a better team this year, but as reigning champions they are vulnerable until they get to the final, just like Dublin last year. The question is can Tyrone play as well today as Donegal did this time last year? Maybe they can....
In a final scenario I think the Dubs would beat Tyrone.
Whereas if it was Mayo v Tyrone, everyone with anything to do with Mayo would assume the curse was broken and be thinking this is the final we've all been waiting for, and Tyrone would spoil the party!
But it would be the opposite for a Mayo v Kerry final. I don't think the Kerry lads (especially as AI champions) could help themselves from having in the back of their minds that there's no way a Mayo team could beat us. No doubt Mayo would play better as underdogs and I could really see them beating the Kingdom in a final.
I think Kerry would perform better against Dublin. Last year I'm convinced Dublin would have beaten them, but in 2015 I fear they have passed us out
Fair play Emyvale with your Tyrone flags
Quote from: Hound on August 23, 2015, 08:31:58 AM
I think one possible outcome is that Kerry beat Tyrone just as easily as Mayo beat Donegal - on the basis that Tyrone and Donegal are at a similar level and Kerry are at least as good as Mayo.
But of course extraploting like that often fails in GAA. And it's been mentioned before here that Kerry won the AI a year too early last year. They are definitely a better team this year, but as reigning champions they are vulnerable until they get to the final, just like Dublin last year. The question is can Tyrone play as well today as Donegal did this time last year? Maybe they can....
In a final scenario I think the Dubs would beat Tyrone.
Whereas if it was Mayo v Tyrone, everyone with anything to do with Mayo would assume the curse was broken and be thinking this is the final we've all been waiting for, and Tyrone would spoil the party!
But it would be the opposite for a Mayo v Kerry final. I don't think the Kerry lads (especially as AI champions) could help themselves from having in the back of their minds that there's no way a Mayo team could beat us. No doubt Mayo would play better as underdogs and I could really see them beating the Kingdom in a final.
I think Kerry would perform better against Dublin. Last year I'm convinced Dublin would have beaten them, but in 2015 I fear they have passed us out
What you say is true. The hardest round to beat Mayo is at the semi final stage. Dublin will surely know this. Now if it was a final, Dublin would have less worries. Last year many of my Mayo friends thought that if we had beaten Kerry we would have definitely beaten Donegal in the final. I was not as confident. And even this years result against them did not change my mind.
Safe travels to all today. I am taking my wee lads to their first game in Croker so a landmark day in my household!
Nerves setting in now, if we can keep it tight and avoid a goalfest in the first 20 minutes I think we've a genuine chance. Head says a 3 point Kerry win but the heart says Tyrone by 2.
C'Mon Tyrone!!
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 23, 2015, 09:12:22 AM
Safe travels to all today. I am taking my wee lads to their first game in Croker so a landmark day in my household!
Nerves setting in now, if we can keep it tight and avoid a goalfest in the first 20 minutes I think we've a genuine chance. Head says a 3 point Kerry win but the heart says Tyrone by 2.
C'Mon Tyrone!!
Lucky them to be able to see cheating, diving and cynical play in real life from their county, they might get to see some proper footballers from Kerry also though
Tyrone, you're on your own.
I think a win today would be right up their with Mickey's finest hour for Tyrone, probably even the biggest. We were 50/1 shots back there in June, now we're 70 minutes away from an All Ireland final. If we can play like we did against Monaghan in the first 60 minutes for the whole game today then I have every faith in us.
I'm glad all the attention has been on what we need to do against Kerry to beat them and not what they need to do against us. We'll be the team going out their playing our own game, the type of game we know and are comfortable with - they'll be the ones who are going to have to change things up.
You can't tell the future and the reality is that the game could go anyway, the best possible outcome or the worst but I am confident we have what it takes today. The head hasn't needed much convincing from the heart today that we're going to do it.
Prediction: Tyrone to be brought back down to earth with a bang today. Teams like Limerick (beaten by Clare), Meath (beaten by Westmeath), Tipperary (Hammered by Kerry in second gear), Sligo (absalutely hammered by an average Mayo side) and Monaghan (who beat a tired Donegal side) don't set the football world on fire. To win today Tyrone need to score goals and despite our so called weak defence I cannot see Tyrone getting any. On the other side, I can see a couple going in. It must be nice for ye Tyrone boys to be back for a visit to Croker. It's becoming a novelty for ye anymore. The heady days of the noughties are a distant memory and ye can look back on them fondly. But there will be no repeat of those days today. Bonum iter!
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on August 23, 2015, 09:59:13 AM
Prediction: Tyrone to be brought back down to earth with a bang today. Teams like Limerick (beaten by Clare), Meath (beaten by Westmeath), Tipperary (Hammered by Kerry in second gear), Sligo (absalutely hammered by an average Mayo side) and Monaghan (who beat a tired Donegal side) don't set the football world on fire. To win today Tyrone need to score goals and despite our so called weak defence I cannot see Tyrone getting any. On the other side, I can see a couple going in. It must be nice for ye Tyrone boys to be back for a visit to Croker. It's becoming a novelty for ye anymore. The heady days of the noughties are a distant memory and ye can look back on them fondly. But there will be no repeat of those days today. Bonum iter!
Well said, the hatchet team that is Tyrone will be made a show off today but at least they will enjoy watching a footballing team like Kerry
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Quote from: omagh_gael on August 23, 2015, 09:12:22 AM
Safe travels to all today. I am taking my wee lads to their first game in Croker so a landmark day in my household!
Nerves setting in now, if we can keep it tight and avoid a goalfest in the first 20 minutes I think we've a genuine chance. Head says a 3 point Kerry win but the heart says Tyrone by 2.
C'Mon Tyrone!!
Lucky them to be able to see cheating, diving and cynical play in real life from their county, they might get to see some proper footballers from Kerry also though
Moderators, turn on the bitterness filter!
Kerry by 8 or 9 points in what will probably be another poor viewing spectacle. There will be big pressure on Maurice Deegan today given all the talk about Tyrone over the last few weeks but I think it will prove academic as Kerry have far too much firepower. Unlike next weeks semi final I can feel absolutely no sense of anticipation for todays match at all.
I had the same feeling of dread before the 08 final and look how that one turned out. Good luck to mickey and the lads today
Is it raining in Dublin? If it is, who will it benifit more?
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 23, 2015, 11:29:53 AM
Is it raining in Dublin? If it is, who will it benifit more?
Yeah. It'll suit the team that wins and the losing county board will blame the weather on their website.
I'm inclined to think any heavy rain/poor conditions would suit Kerry better. Generally speaking that is. I'm not sure the rain, unless torrential, would affect Tyrone's tactics too much. I'm sure they'd use it somehow anyway, adding Mother Nature to their list of people who have fecked them over lol
At least the rain will give the Derry wans a good oul wash for nothing.
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on August 23, 2015, 09:59:13 AM
Prediction: Tyrone to be brought back down to earth with a bang today. Teams like Limerick (beaten by Clare), Meath (beaten by Westmeath), Tipperary (Hammered by Kerry in second gear), Sligo (absalutely hammered by an average Mayo side) and Monaghan (who beat a tired Donegal side) don't set the football world on fire. To win today Tyrone need to score goals and despite our so called weak defence I cannot see Tyrone getting any. On the other side, I can see a couple going in. It must be nice for ye Tyrone boys to be back for a visit to Croker. It's becoming a novelty for ye anymore. The heady days of the noughties are a distant memory and ye can look back on them fondly. But there will be no repeat of those days today. Bonum iter!
Sickening arrogance!
At least the rain will give the Derry wans a good oul wash for nothing
Iontach ar fad!
Quote from: An Watcher on August 23, 2015, 11:27:09 AM
I had the same feeling of dread before the 08 final and look how that one turned out. Good luck to mickey and the lads today
I was very confident of a 3-4 point win in 2008.
This one is impossible because you don't know how good Tyrone are. They could be embarrassed much to the mirth of the rest of the county. Be prepared for that!!! The anti-Tyrone hacks have already penned their gloating copy.
Or a new terrible beauty is born. We've played nobody of note but that's not Tyrone's fault.
The 2003 team already had 2 NFLs under their belts and 2 Ulsters. This side have won buck all at senior level.
Impossible to know.
Quote from: ONeill on August 23, 2015, 12:03:26 PM
At least the rain will give the Derry wans a good oul wash for nothing.
Will need more than a drop of rain to clean them boys
Sneaking feeling for Tyrone.
Rumours that Moran is out. Cute hoorism or genuine?
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 23, 2015, 02:35:57 PM
Rumours that Moran is out. Cute hoorism or genuine?
If he's out that's a massive blow. Has become Kerry's most important player over the last 12 months.
A Dungannon lad has just told me that Colm Cavanagh is out injured so I came on here to post it.
However after reading that Moran is out I'll say nothing.
May the most Cynical team win!!!!!
Mickey Harte is an impressive character. I can imagine what his dressing room must be like.
And were off
Martin Carney...
Someone in RTE needs to be taken out and shot
Tyrone 2 up
No yellow for Mark O Shea. Get a name for early rising and you can lie all day.
Great game so far
3-2
That was dirt.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 23, 2015, 03:31:08 PM
Martin Carney...
Someone in RTE needs to be taken out and shot
Shoot Carney first and then who ever from RTE who has him there!
Moran held the hand in there, got the free
Buckley show v Tyrone at the moment
So your not going to mark Buckley then?
Whats Donaghy doing in midfield, there need some outlet in the full forward line?
Kerry getting their frees a lot handier as usual
Soft, soft free.
Same thing not given down the other end
Black card time
That was a free to tyrone in the first place.
That should be black to o'se...
Has to be black
Correct decision
Probably black card but the tyrone man didnt take much to go down
That should be a second yellow and off for red
Tyrone cheating already, great dive to get O'Se the black card
O Shea should be red not black. Should have already been on yellow
The conditions attributed to it says carney. No they didn't he rugby tackled him.
Two pointless acts there, free moved up and then a,black card. Discipline!
Any streams to it?
Colm cavanagh is having a stormer.
Cracking game
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 23, 2015, 03:46:41 PM
Tyrone cheating already, great dive to get O'Se the black card
It was a black all right but the exaggeration would sicken you. I don't think tyrone are getting many handy frees here (so far anyway)
Cavanagh as classy are ever mouthing to the umpire
Donaghy refereeing the game
Donaghy whinging to the ref as ever
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 23, 2015, 03:51:56 PM
Cavanagh as classy are ever mouthing to the umpire
Constant mouthing when you have nothing to say is pretty annoying right enough.
The john terry of the gaa...
Great gsme despite the conditions.
Kerry starting to choke the running game from Tyrone
2 Horrible misses from McCrory
And there's why Tyrone don't score goals
Kerry would need to play Cooper at no.11 to get into the game
Two goal chances abegging now for Tyrone, gonna kill them in the end
Tyrone needed that goal, good game so far
Deegan making it up as he goes along regarding the swarm tackle. Sometimes it's a free for the player in possession and sometimes it's not.
Quote from: Estimator on August 23, 2015, 03:58:07 PM
Deegan making it up as he goes along regarding the swarm tackle. Sometimes it's a free for the player in possession and sometimes it's not.
Yeah - bad call for the 45 though so i suppose it evens it up
Now the Tyrone fans are showing the class by booing the kicker, what a horrible attitude
5 players around the kicker for the 45. Any rules about that?
Another bad miss by Tyrone
Carney must have a hard on when it comes to Tyrone.
Donnelly needs in this game more for tyrone to win.
I hate Maurice Deegan
You just don't know what he'll do
O`Donghue seems a bit flaky on it when under pressure.
Brilliant point by tyrone
Is the Gooch playing?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 23, 2015, 04:02:47 PM
Carney must have a hard on when it comes to Tyrone.
No the hard on is for Donegal and to a lesser extent Mayo! There has to be a former player or (even better a) Manager that has got more to offer as a co-commentator?
Good man Maurice.
You found 30 seconds for Kerry there
All to play for in the second half an intriguing tactical contest.
Tyrone doing rightly. Gameplan working. The only worry for them is if the gooch decides to turn it on. Think the ref has cost them two scores, a free he didn't give and a 45 that wasn't. Otherwise he has been equally bad for both teams.
Donaghy was terrible until that point before half time. Hooch you wouldn't know was on the field and yet Kerry are still ahead at half time. I'd expect them to pull away in the second half. The game is a lot closer and better than I expected it would be and you have to give credit to Harte as the game is being played on Tyrones terms so far.
Quote from: Estimator on August 23, 2015, 04:01:13 PM
5 players around the kicker for the 45. Any rules about that?
Were they 13m from the kicker? What's the issue?
Top game of football so far and only possible because Deegan is refereeing it well. David Moran though can surely only be one more "mistimed" swipe from joining O Se in the stand.
Mark Bradley looks to be the man who could win this for Tyrone. Both teams have cancelled each others' big players very well.
Kerry not playing well, but still ahead at half time! Tyrone have a chance. But they need goals and I don't see them getting them!
I agree that Deegan is refereeing it very well. Apart from one dodgy 45 decision (looked wide but replay inconclusive) that the umpire give he has done the match fairly.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 23, 2015, 04:13:43 PM
Top game of football so far and only possible because Deegan is refereeing it well. David Moran though can surely only be one more "mistimed" swipe from joining O Se in the stand.
Mark Bradley looks to be the man who could win this for Tyrone. Both teams have cancelled each others' big players very well.
Not sure how you see Deegan refereeing well.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 23, 2015, 04:13:38 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 23, 2015, 04:01:13 PM
5 players around the kicker for the 45. Any rules about that?
Were they 13m from the kicker? What's the issue?
They formed a semi circle around him. A couple were closer than the 13m. It was more of a query than anything else. I never seen a team do that before.
Quote from: hurlingstick on August 23, 2015, 04:16:12 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 23, 2015, 04:13:43 PM
Top game of football so far and only possible because Deegan is refereeing it well. David Moran though can surely only be one more "mistimed" swipe from joining O Se in the stand.
Mark Bradley looks to be the man who could win this for Tyrone. Both teams have cancelled each others' big players very well.
Not sure how you see Deegan refereeing well.
Not sure how you see Deegan refereeing it badly (I presume that is what you were inferring).
Deegan's done fine, mostly.
McCrory costing us here.
The only dubious decision of the match was an umpire's call, and he has to trust his men.
Apart from that he's let men be men and it hasn't come close to boiling over. I'm not sure how or why you'd want it refereed differently.
I'm going to make a prediction that Kerry's much vaunted and extremely overrated bench have little impact on this game.
Fair play tyrone, doing rightly so far and will fancy their chances here. Need to stick a goal though
Sky half time analysis very good.. Dara even called the black card right!
Quote from: thewobbler on August 23, 2015, 04:21:21 PM
The only dubious decision of the match was an umpire's call, and he has to trust his men.
Apart from that he's let men be men and it hasn't come close to boiling over. I'm not sure how or why you'd want it refereed differently.
I'm going to make a prediction that Kerry's much vaunted and extremely overrated bench have little impact on this game.
Agreed, Hard to see where they'd look to on that bench.
I think Deegans done ok in the first half. We are in the game and that's all we wanted at this stage but not taking those goal chances could cost us.
Push on the Tyrone No. 2 when dipping the ball in Kerry's back line. The terrible 45 decision and the extra time added on for no reason. That's a 3 point swing caused by bad officiating.
Tyrone really need to stop giving away yards on those frees.
Booing from tyrone fans for frees is poor form
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2015, 04:27:40 PM
I think Deegans done ok in the first half. We are in the game and that's all we wanted at this stage but not taking those goal chances could cost us.
Kerry getting all the marginal calls. He missed Killian Young black and Mark O Shea yellow. Huge calls he missed.
Tyrone giving away some slack frees start of 2nd half
Never let it be said that Morgan is in the same league Cluxton again
O`Donghue wouldnt win too many 50 50 balls
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2015, 04:33:37 PM
Never let it be said that Morgan is in the same league Cluxton again
Who even said that Indy. The back-up keeper is a better keeper than Morgan. He's only making the team because he's good on 45s I think.
Some save
Good save
No yellow for that tackle then ball fouled on the ground. Tyrone would be beating him as well if they could score goals
Harsh on meyler. Might free donnelly up though.
Tyrone out of steam.
Space beginning to free up, a goal will be a big difference
Beginning to drift away from tyrone
Kick outs killing Tyrone.
On a wet day why not just kick it long?
Game over?
McCann Hair not staying up the day, need to go back to his stylist
Tyrone are gone.....game over
Tyrone could have scored 4 goals. Dublin / Mayo will fancy their chances in the final.
Grow up Justin. He was fouled.
That cannot be a black card
Classy from McMahon again.
:) :) :) :)loving this, reap what you sow for Tyrone, go on Kerry hammer them
McMahon thought THAT was a dive!
Hows that one a black, there was a effort to shoulder hit, not a pull down?
Bollocks reffing. Marginal even if was a free.
Black card? For?
Film holding his face. Face not hit - is that 8 weeks?
Was the black for the legitimate-looking shoulder that he played advantage for earlier in the play?
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 23, 2015, 04:49:52 PM
Was the black for the legitimate-looking shoulder that he played advantage for earlier in the play?
On Walsh?
Wasn't much in that.
Deegan having a stinker
For all the cynical talk kerry are as bad if not worse than tyrone. Enright clear black.
Kerry have stemmed Donnelly, Harte and Cavanagh, Tyrone 3 best players. McCurry and McAliskey have been good. Tyrone have stemied Cooper and O`Donghue but not Maher, Moran, Buckley
What the feck is Deegan thinking? Does anyone know what the black card is for?
Black card, ref bottles it, poor decision
Anybody still think Deegan is reffing this well?
Enright should have been black
Game on
Shit just got real
Dodgy enough penalty, kerry man should have went before hand
No black for the pen?
Tyrone run through the middle here and you never know.
Feck sake mccurry.
Tyrone kicking it away
Shocking bias from Deegan there. Way more of a black.
Hard to see a penalty there.
Also Bradley was up with Harte when he kicked it. Should have been retaken. And the yellow should have been a black.
Red has lost it.
Lack of a free taker costing tyrone
Cant understand the taking off of Moran, he was dominating, Kerry throwing this away after been 5 up with 14mins to go
Kickouts and frees killing Tyrone
Not a penalty! But as a neutral what the game needed!
Thats more of a penalty than the first one
Another helping hand from Deegan
Why didn't Cavanagh take on the shot?
Kerry comfortably the better side here . Tyrone have been well out of this in the second half
Tripped and nailed
free for the late hit on cooper, pure dirt there
The 16 men of Kerry have this won, good lad deggan
Shocking late hit on Gooch. Why do something stupid like that?
Jesus the booing really pathetic, wearing thin now, show abit of class
Thuggish from McNabb
Tyrone crazy stuff
What the hell was that supposed to be from the 45?
Tyrone got no help from the ref but missed frees and goal chances the difference in the end
When Barry John keane scoring you know your fucked
Whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop up the Kingdom :) :) :) :)
Great to see the back of Ireland's most obnoxious team and supporters. Season over and nothing to show only empty wallets
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2015, 05:00:54 PM
Kerry comfortably the better side here . Tyrone have been well out of this in the second half
Nonsense. There is a big gaping hole in the middle of that kerry defense which has been exposed.
If mccurry was on his frees and they had taken a goal chance different story.
Right team won but nothing comfortable there.
Very good Tyrone performance there, better than I expected I must say. The chances were there to win that game. Some very cheap frees at the other end too, all the hysteria about Tyrone perhaps a factor a there. Kerry got the job done however and congratulations to them.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 23, 2015, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2015, 05:00:54 PM
Kerry comfortably the better side here . Tyrone have been well out of this in the second half
Nonsense. There is a big gaping hole in the middle of that kerry defense which has been exposed.
If mccurry was on his frees and they had taken a goal chance different story.
Right team won but nothing comfortable there.
Precisely this. Add in some poor decision making from tyrone at important times and this could've easily went either way
Best team won, and fair play to them.
In the interests of balance it should also be pointed out that the most cynical and negative team won too. But some people just won't believe that until the media tell them so.
Deegan lost it a little in the 2nd half.
Kerry were the better team but Deegan was shocking. The 2nd penalty was more so than the first. Don't know what McHugh is drinking.
best Team won, Kerry were pulling away from the 52nd Minute till the Tyrone goal pulled it back. Serious firepower coming off the bench for Kerry. Tyrone played well i thought, def better than i thought this team capable off, Tyrone needed to find the net earlier, not to be. All there main men were eclipsed by the Kerry men especially D Moran on M Donnelly. A Maher be my man of the match. Both keepers were very poor. Kerry have now managed to overcome Donegal and Tyrone defensive styles by matching them and their better ball players winning out.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 23, 2015, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2015, 05:00:54 PM
Kerry comfortably the better side here . Tyrone have been well out of this in the second half
Nonsense. There is a big gaping hole in the middle of that kerry defense which has been exposed.
If mccurry was on his frees and they had taken a goal chance different story.
Right team won but nothing comfortable there.
Comfortable win Tommy. Kerry never behind. Anytime they needed a score they got it.
I was told beforehand by the Tyrone fans that the absence of marquee forwards wasn't a problem because the rest of the team was so good at taking scores. That was never proven to be wrong today.
Dublin will take that Kerry defence to the cleaners in the AI Final if we get there
4 point victory flatters Kerry. Tyrone robbed there today.
Hate to single a player out but Morgan killed Tyrone. Kick outs horrific.
Quote from: general_lee on August 23, 2015, 05:13:43 PM
4 point victory flatters Kerry. Tyrone robbed there today.
Hate to single a player out but Morgan killed Tyrone. Kick outs horrific.
He's as good as Cluxton though .... apparently
Good game and the best team won. The referee had a few dodgy ones but you reap what so sow. Thought the first penalty was 50:50. The Tyrone black should have been yellow but McMahon lucky not to get carded a couple of times.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 05:10:49 PM
best Team won, Kerry were pulling away from the 52nd Minute till the Tyrone goal pulled it back. Serious firepower coming off the bench for Kerry. Tyrone played well i thought, def better than i thought this team capable off, Tyrone needed to find the net earlier, not to be. All there main men were eclipsed by the Kerry men especially D Moran on M Donnelly. A Maher be my man of the match. Both keepers were very poor. Kerry have now managed to overcome Donegal and Tyrone defensive styles by matching them and their better ball players winning out.
What in the name of Christ?! Barely featured in the first half.
Second half was brutal from Deegan. Hadnt the guts to give the second penalty and tried to justify the decision by giving a ridiculous yellow for diving. Failed to give Enright a clear black and generally give Kerry a lot of dubious decisions. Also the umpire give a false 45 in the first half and how the 4th official only added on 2 minutes at the end I don't know. Kerry getting help from the officials AGAIN. Different game, different year same old officials always favouring Kerry.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2015, 05:15:13 PM
Second half was brutal from Deegan. Hadnt the guts to give the second penalty and tried to justify the decision by giving a ridiculous yellow for diving. Failed to give Enright a clear black and generally give Kerry a lot of dubious decisions. Also the umpire give a false 45 in the first half and how the 4th official only added on 2 minutes at the end I don't know. Kerry getting help from the officials AGAIN. Different game, different year same old officials always favouring Kerry.
You weren't good enough. End of story. Penalty brought you back into the game because the game was over at that point
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2015, 05:14:40 PM
Quote from: general_lee on August 23, 2015, 05:13:43 PM
4 point victory flatters Kerry. Tyrone robbed there today.
Hate to single a player out but Morgan killed Tyrone. Kick outs horrific.
He's as good as Cluxton though .... apparently
Cluxton is virtually peerless.
Quote from: general_lee on August 23, 2015, 05:13:43 PM
4 point victory flatters Kerry. Tyrone robbed there today.
Hate to single a player out but Morgan killed Tyrone. Kick outs horrific.
Morgan could only work with what he had out the field. Once the short kick option was closed there was very little else to aim for.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2015, 05:14:40 PM
Quote from: general_lee on August 23, 2015, 05:13:43 PM
4 point victory flatters Kerry. Tyrone robbed there today.
Hate to single a player out but Morgan killed Tyrone. Kick outs horrific.
He's as good as Cluxton though .... apparently
Aye he was great last time out n'all
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2015, 05:16:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2015, 05:15:13 PM
Second half was brutal from Deegan. Hadnt the guts to give the second penalty and tried to justify the decision by giving a ridiculous yellow for diving. Failed to give Enright a clear black and generally give Kerry a lot of dubious decisions. Also the umpire give a false 45 in the first half and how the 4th official only added on 2 minutes at the end I don't know. Kerry getting help from the officials AGAIN. Different game, different year same old officials always favouring Kerry.
You weren't good enough. End of story. Penalty brought you back into the game because the game was over at that point
Weren't good enough? I'm far from a Tyrone fan but look at the history. Mayo raped against Kerry by the ref last year. Cork raped by the ref against Kerry in the Munster final and Tyrone raped by the ref in the second half against Kerry today. If I was a Dub fan I'd be worried about the same happening in the final (if you's get there).
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 23, 2015, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2015, 05:00:54 PM
Kerry comfortably the better side here . Tyrone have been well out of this in the second half
Nonsense. There is a big gaping hole in the middle of that kerry defense which has been exposed.
If mccurry was on his frees and they had taken a goal chance different story.
Right team won but nothing comfortable there.
Another piece of quality analysis by the boards resident spoofer. What percentage of scores from frees today statman?
Tyrone played exceptionally well today, give Kerry a much better contest than many of this boards experts thought they would. We created 5 goal chances and need to improve on converting these for next year. But we beat ourselves today on the kick outs and free kicks in the second half. Kerry are decent but they are not a great team. They are just a year or two ahead of us in their development but the exciting thing for me is that we are improving and hav plenty of good young players to add, roll on next year.
On a side note; how on earth did sky give man of the match to Donnchadh Walsh???
Didn't think the first one was a penalty at all as Tierney went down very easy on contact, 2nd one now, that another matter, to me it was a penalty. Kerry kicked on a gear from the 52nd minute, to then Tryone matched them, plus had a 5 min lift after the goal, and if Tyrone hadn't scored the goal, Kerry likely have won by 7/8 points. Good to see a game with no real sledging from the players. the behaviour of the crowd another matter though, they didn't cover themselves in glory!
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2015, 05:12:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 23, 2015, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2015, 05:00:54 PM
Kerry comfortably the better side here . Tyrone have been well out of this in the second half
Nonsense. There is a big gaping hole in the middle of that kerry defense which has been exposed.
If mccurry was on his frees and they had taken a goal chance different story.
Right team won but nothing comfortable there.
Comfortable win Tommy. Kerry never behind. Anytime they needed a score they got it.
I was told beforehand by the Tyrone fans that the absence of marquee forwards wasn't a problem because the rest of the team was so good at taking scores. That was never proven to be wrong today.
Dublin will take that Kerry defence to the cleaners in the AI Final if we get there
I see you get your "facts" from the Sunday game panel, no surprise there I guess ;D
Hope the Tyrone supporters enjoy their spin home with their tails between their legs :) :)
Quote from: Estimator on August 23, 2015, 05:17:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on August 23, 2015, 05:13:43 PM
4 point victory flatters Kerry. Tyrone robbed there today.
Hate to single a player out but Morgan killed Tyrone. Kick outs horrific.
Morgan could only work with what he had out the field. Once the short kick option was closed there was very little else to aim for.
Yeah but some of the "shorter" kicks went straight to kerrymen. Tyrone actually won some ball out the field, probably should have persisted a bit more and try and get Cavanagh on the ball.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2015, 05:12:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 23, 2015, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2015, 05:00:54 PM
Kerry comfortably the better side here . Tyrone have been well out of this in the second half
Nonsense. There is a big gaping hole in the middle of that kerry defense which has been exposed.
If mccurry was on his frees and they had taken a goal chance different story.
Right team won but nothing comfortable there.
Comfortable win Tommy. Kerry never behind. Anytime they needed a score they got it.
I was told beforehand by the Tyrone fans that the absence of marquee forwards wasn't a problem because the rest of the team was so good at taking scores. That was never proven to be wrong today.
Dublin will take that Kerry defence to the cleaners in the AI Final if we get there
Indiana you are very wrong in calling that a comfortable win. Taking a goal chance here or there, a few swings in ref decisions or a few frees going over and it could be all different. Better team but not remotely comfortable and massive questions have been asked.
If you're comfortable in a game then you wouldn't let it be level with tenish minutes to go.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 05:19:00 PM
Didn't think the first one was a penalty at all as Tierney went down very easy on contact, 2nd one now, that another matter, to me it was a penalty. Kerry kicked on a gear from the 52nd minute, to then Tryone matched them, plus had a 5 min lift after the goal, and if Tyrone hadn't scored the goal, Kerry likely have won by 7/8 points. Good to see a game with no real sledging from the players. the behaviour of the crowd another matter though, they didn't cover themselves in glory!
if you give the first you give the second. I actually think the officiating was pretty poor all in all. Kerry ultimately still marginally better, they took their chances which Tyrone did not.
Such a relief that football won today. Best of luck to Kerry in the final.
Could easily have won that game. Missed frees and McCrory's contribution killed us. Deegan didn't help.
But I'd say Kerry marginally the better side. Fine game.
Buckley was easily man of the match. Had an serious amount of possessions, scored 3 good early scores and done a lot of closing down and tackling. Maher and O'Brien were good in the second half.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2015, 05:12:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 23, 2015, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2015, 05:00:54 PM
Kerry comfortably the better side here . Tyrone have been well out of this in the second half
Nonsense. There is a big gaping hole in the middle of that kerry defense which has been exposed.
If mccurry was on his frees and they had taken a goal chance different story.
Right team won but nothing comfortable there.
Comfortable win Tommy. Kerry never behind.. Anytime they needed a score they got it.
I was told beforehand by the Tyrone fans that the absence of marquee forwards wasn't a problem because the rest of the team was so good at taking scores. That was never proven to be wrong today.
Dublin will take that Kerry defence to the cleaners in the AI Final if we get there
Might want to check your facts big lad!
Seemed to be a genuine bitterness and hatred in the crowd today at the match. An awful lot of booing refereeing decisions at the match today and the camera caught a Kerry fan giving the fingers to Tyrone supporters after the match, the media have helped create this monster and I genuinely fear that some of these games will result in someone getting hurt. Witness Kerry v Mayo semi final last year and the Mayo fan attempting to attack the ref.
Morgan's kicking was atrocious. I didn't think it a great Kerry team that won All Ireland last year they were likely the best of an average crop and after watching that today I'm still not overly impressed.
Ay Tyrone never ahead,except for straight away ;D
If he heard it from the Sunday game panel though, it must be true, right??
Morgan was brutal today.
Kerry were by far the better team.
Sean Cavanagh well marshalled.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
Seemed to be a genuine bitterness and hatred in the crowd today at the match. An awful lot of booing refereeing decisions at the match today and the camera caught a Kerry fan giving the fingers to Tyrone supporters after the match, the media have helped create this monster and I genuinely fear that some of these games will result in someone getting hurt. Witness Kerry v Mayo semi final last year and the Mayo fan attempting to attack the ref.
He was only trying to get across the pitch to the burger van.
This is still a coming Kerry team, nobody had say they were great, and will be about for a number of years, Donaghy and Cooper lose in the coming year will be big but they been here before with previous greats. Having 2 serious minor teams to pick from will bring through the needed players in the next 5yrs epsecially the amount of great forwards coming through
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
Seemed to be a genuine bitterness and hatred in the crowd today at the match. An awful lot of booing refereeing decisions at the match today and the camera caught a Kerry fan giving the fingers to Tyrone supporters after the match, the media have helped create this monster and I genuinely fear that some of these games will result in someone getting hurt. Witness Kerry v Mayo semi final last year and the Mayo fan attempting to attack the ref.
Tyrone fans have a massive element of their support who like to boo decisions, cheer opposition wides/cards and generally behave like soccer loving reprobates. I picked up on it at the QF v Monaghan and also last year in February in the McKenna Cup in Omagh so it's not like it can be blamed on the bandwagon. Kerry obviously have a few of their own louts who also add to the occasion!
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
Seemed to be a genuine bitterness and hatred in the crowd today at the match. An awful lot of booing refereeing decisions at the match today and the camera caught a Kerry fan giving the fingers to Tyrone supporters after the match, the media have helped create this monster and I genuinely fear that some of these games will result in someone getting hurt. Witness Kerry v Mayo semi final last year and the Mayo fan attempting to attack the ref.
Kerry fans don't take defeat to well. But in fairness they are gracious in victory (some fans aren't). But in defeat they are a different animal (to quote Paudi). The media have nothing to do with it.
Glad Kerry won today, not because i hate Tyrone. Because if we beat Dublin, I want to play them in the final. We have their number and I want a shot at them.
Yeah, my Mayo cousin was just on to me and he reckons ye will make bits of them in the final.
Quote from: general_lee on August 23, 2015, 05:38:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
Seemed to be a genuine bitterness and hatred in the crowd today at the match. An awful lot of booing refereeing decisions at the match today and the camera caught a Kerry fan giving the fingers to Tyrone supporters after the match, the media have helped create this monster and I genuinely fear that some of these games will result in someone getting hurt. Witness Kerry v Mayo semi final last year and the Mayo fan attempting to attack the ref.
Tyrone fans have a massive element of their support who like to boo decisions, cheer opposition wides/cards and generally behave like soccer loving reprobates. I picked up on it at the QF v Monaghan and also last year in February in the McKenna Cup in Omagh so it's not like it can be blamed on the bandwagon. Kerry obviously have a few of their own louts who also add to the occasion!
I'd agree with that. Tyrone have a fair element of this type of support. Kerry too are very bad losers and have an air of entitlement about them.
Quote from: ONeill on August 23, 2015, 05:23:03 PM
Could easily have won that game. Missed frees and McCrory's contribution killed us. Deegan didn't help.
But I'd say Kerry marginally the better side. Fine game.
Agree with that. Those 2 black card decisions were wrong. Having said that he showed guts to black card o'se early, so he obviously felt he was right on the other two.
The penalty I'm not sure about. I think the lad went down too easy but Kerry looked like they had grabbed him a couple of times. A 50-50 one I'd say.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 23, 2015, 05:40:28 PM
Yeah, my Mayo cousin was just on to me and he reckons ye will make bits of them in the final.
Heard he has the tickets in the paw already too.
And the two weeks off work after it.
The tackle on Cooper surely was a red card too.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 23, 2015, 05:38:21 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
Seemed to be a genuine bitterness and hatred in the crowd today at the match. An awful lot of booing refereeing decisions at the match today and the camera caught a Kerry fan giving the fingers to Tyrone supporters after the match, the media have helped create this monster and I genuinely fear that some of these games will result in someone getting hurt. Witness Kerry v Mayo semi final last year and the Mayo fan attempting to attack the ref.
Kerry fans don't take defeat to well. But in fairness they are gracious in victory (some fans aren't). But in defeat they are a different animal (to quote Paudi). The media have nothing to do with it.
Glad Kerry won today, not because i hate Tyrone. Because if we beat Dublin, I want to play them in the final. We have their number and I want a shot at them.
Ye have their number? Funny way of showing it 😄 if you mean you think ye have finally cracked the Kerry puzzle I might agree with you. I don't think Kerry beats either Dublin or Mayo in the final.
Quote from: hurlingstick on August 23, 2015, 05:43:29 PM
The tackle on Cooper surely was a red card too.
That was a nasty one.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 23, 2015, 05:40:28 PM
Yeah, my Mayo cousin was just on to me and he reckons ye will make bits of them in the final.
Knowledgeable Lad/Lady that cousin of yours! ;)
The same Tyrone lads that still go on about the fair shoulder that Canavan got off big John Mac in '96 won't say a word about McNabb's attempted decapitation of the Gooch today.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 05:37:44 PM
This is still a coming Kerry team, nobody had say they were great, and will be about for a number of years, Donaghy and Cooper lose in the coming year will be big but they been here before with previous greats. Having 2 serious minor teams to pick from will bring through the needed players in the next 5yrs epsecially the amount of great forwards coming through
Donaghy and Cooper were 2 of Kerry's poorest performers today so I don't think they will be missed too much. Kerry are about to stay for a long time and will get better.
the tackle on cooper was shocking and probably a red card
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 23, 2015, 05:38:21 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
Seemed to be a genuine bitterness and hatred in the crowd today at the match. An awful lot of booing refereeing decisions at the match today and the camera caught a Kerry fan giving the fingers to Tyrone supporters after the match, the media have helped create this monster and I genuinely fear that some of these games will result in someone getting hurt. Witness Kerry v Mayo semi final last year and the Mayo fan attempting to attack the ref.
Kerry fans don't take defeat to well. But in fairness they are gracious in victory (some fans aren't). But in defeat they are a different animal (to quote Paudi). The media have nothing to do with it.
Glad Kerry won today, not because i hate Tyrone. Because if we beat Dublin, I want to play them in the final. We have their number and I want a shot at them.
When did Mayo last beat Kerry in the championship?
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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 23, 2015, 05:38:21 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
Seemed to be a genuine bitterness and hatred in the crowd today at the match. An awful lot of booing refereeing decisions at the match today and the camera caught a Kerry fan giving the fingers to Tyrone supporters after the match, the media have helped create this monster and I genuinely fear that some of these games will result in someone getting hurt. Witness Kerry v Mayo semi final last year and the Mayo fan attempting to attack the ref.
Kerry fans don't take defeat to well. But in fairness they are gracious in victory (some fans aren't). But in defeat they are a different animal (to quote Paudi). The media have nothing to do with it.
Glad Kerry won today, not because i hate Tyrone. Because if we beat Dublin, I want to play them in the final. We have their number and I want a shot at them.
When did Mayo last beat Kerry in the championship?
Surely you should know oh captain my captain
The two black card decisions involving McNamee and Enright were blatantly wrong. But the second penalty decision was the one that decided the match. A penalty all day long.
Kerry got away with it big time today.
Morgan was like an extra player for them in that second half. Disastrous performance.
Kerry's defence will be destroyed in the final. It's there for the taking.
Quote from: hurlingstick on August 23, 2015, 05:43:29 PM
The tackle on Cooper surely was a red card too.
Tackle on Cooper a Red, defo. Darran pull down near the end Black (+ Yellow = Red). Enright Yellow was a black.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 23, 2015, 05:47:14 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 23, 2015, 05:38:21 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
Seemed to be a genuine bitterness and hatred in the crowd today at the match. An awful lot of booing refereeing decisions at the match today and the camera caught a Kerry fan giving the fingers to Tyrone supporters after the match, the media have helped create this monster and I genuinely fear that some of these games will result in someone getting hurt. Witness Kerry v Mayo semi final last year and the Mayo fan attempting to attack the ref.
Kerry fans don't take defeat to well. But in fairness they are gracious in victory (some fans aren't). But in defeat they are a different animal (to quote Paudi). The media have nothing to do with it.
Glad Kerry won today, not because i hate Tyrone. Because if we beat Dublin, I want to play them in the final. We have their number and I want a shot at them.
When did Mayo last beat Kerry in the championship?
96
be 1996 i think. long time ago
Gooch looked a bit stunned still after the whistle.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 23, 2015, 05:47:14 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 23, 2015, 05:38:21 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
Seemed to be a genuine bitterness and hatred in the crowd today at the match. An awful lot of booing refereeing decisions at the match today and the camera caught a Kerry fan giving the fingers to Tyrone supporters after the match, the media have helped create this monster and I genuinely fear that some of these games will result in someone getting hurt. Witness Kerry v Mayo semi final last year and the Mayo fan attempting to attack the ref.
Kerry fans don't take defeat to well. But in fairness they are gracious in victory (some fans aren't). But in defeat they are a different animal (to quote Paudi). The media have nothing to do with it.
Glad Kerry won today, not because i hate Tyrone. Because if we beat Dublin, I want to play them in the final. We have their number and I want a shot at them.
When did Mayo last beat Kerry in the championship?
1996
Kerry defence looked to be lacking pace there to my eyes today,when the likes of Harte and Bradley got ball in hand they caused them serious trouble. Should the Dubs get to the final which i fully expect them to do then i could see the likes of Mc Manamon(pardon the spelling) and Jack Mc Caffrey tearing through them.
Tyrone can go on about the penalty not given but if you revisit the first one, many a time that one would never be given.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 05:51:27 PM
Tyrone can go on about the penalty not given but if you revisit the first one, many a time that one would never be given.
Thought the same, lucky with the given one and unlucky with the one that wasn't given. End result of the two was correct, even if the means of getting there was luck.
Damn good effort from Tyrone. Difference in teams was Morgan. Contribution zero. Missed the frees, wrong decisions with his kick outs and kept Tyrone under constant pressure at stages throughout the second half.
Colm Cavanagh was excellent along with bradley and Mc Curry i thought. Anyway were would you be going without any Carmen men on team.
Apart from a wild Braveheart minute or two for Tyrone in the aftermath of the penalty, I thought Kerry had this game in their control and showed their class with their response to restore their advantage on the scoreboard. Kerry totally deserved the game today just on the basis of their last 4 or 5 points.
Morgan lost his nerve (or something) in the 2nd half and that cost Tyrone dearly, re kick outs and missed free kicks.
Few great goal chances not taken plus McCurry and Morgan bottling the frees again cost us. Could have easily won that game. Deegan shafted us but that was to be expected. McNulty yellow was a joke - was more a pen than the first one. Thought there were men hanging off him ffs. Peter Harte also was rugby tackled by Enright i think and got a yellow card not black. Tyrone aren't far away and from what i seen today will win Sam again within 2 years. Need to bring in another few u21's next season, possibly lads like Kieran Mcgeary. Cathal McShane needs to get a proper chance too. Would play Mickey O'Neill in nets from now on. Tir Eoghain Abu!
Intriguing game. The better team won.
Didn't think first penalty call was correct and wouldnt have given second one either.
Ref got some card decisions wrong but basically evened themselves out imo.
Kealy's save was excellent .
Very interesting game to watch for the neutral. Some excellent football, and some very poor football too. 4 points definitely flattered Kerry but Tyrone's finishing was surprisingly poor at times. Agree that should have been a red for the late cheap shot on Cooper, for the black cards not sure that there was a strong case for the second one. Tyrone Should have had the second penalty. Entertaining game but that Tyrone team could do a lot of damage next year. Kerry looked ropey at times - either Dublin or Mayo would fancy their chances based on that performance.
Dublin and Mayo woudlnt line up like Tyrone though so it a all new ball game the next day round
Reminiscent of the Dublin V Fermanagh game,only ever going to be one winner but referee with ridiculous penalty award costing me a bet with Kerry -4 :() keeping Tyrone in the game artificially.At last we are left with three real contenders
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2015, 05:54:46 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 05:51:27 PM
Tyrone can go on about the penalty not given but if you revisit the first one, many a time that one would never be given.
Thought the same, lucky with the given one and unlucky with the one that wasn't given. End result of the two was correct, even if the means of getting there was luck.
Agreed. Tierney bottled up on first one but not necessarily fouled. Second clear penalty.
Colm cavanagh great game i thought. Harte also took it to them.
Mickey harte had best tactics by a bit i thought - just perhaps that bit short on the players to execute them.
To be fair to fitz though- he recognised donaghy not working and changed gameplan. Also noticed chb not working as tyrone tearing through them and brought o'mahoney on.
What's the verdict on Kerry for the final against Dublin
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Kerry comfortably the better side here . Tyrone have been well out of this in the second half
Nonsense. There is a big gaping hole in the middle of that kerry defense which has been exposed.
If mccurry was on his frees and they had taken a goal chance different story.
Right team won but nothing comfortable there.
Another piece of quality analysis by the boards resident spoofer. What percentage of scores from frees today statman?
Tyrone played exceptionally well today, give Kerry a much better contest than many of this boards experts thought they would. We created 5 goal chances and need to improve on converting these for next year. But we beat ourselves today on the kick outs and free kicks in the second half. Kerry are decent but they are not a great team. They are just a year or two ahead of us in their development but the exciting thing for me is that we are improving and hav plenty of good young players to add, roll on next year.
On a side note; how on earth did sky give man of the match to Donnchadh Walsh???
I laughed at that!
I expected him to be taken off at any time. He was blocked a few times, kicked the ball away and was generally poor, expect for a good point when I was typing a post that he should be subbed.
There seems to be a campaign to get the 'underrated' Donncha an All-Star this year.
He wouldn't make the Dubs half forward line and might only squeeze out Diarmuid on ours because he is a Rookie. But even that is debatable.
As for the penalties, the first one there was less of a tackle but it wasn't as obvious a dive. That is why I think Deegan went the way he did, even though the second one looked more of a foul. Personally I wouldn't have thought either was a penalty.
Fair play to Kerry better team I thought. There foot passing to the inside forwards was excellent.
Donaghys Indian summer looks to have subsided. Cooper looked out of sorts. JOD ran and ran without doing what seemed a whole lot. Tyrone are a decent side. But they lacked the killer instinct. Believe me as a Mayo man I've seen years of this affinity. Kerry seemed to be able to push on despite being under pressure and not playing well. They never seemed to panic. I suppose deep down they knew they were better than this Tyrone side and they had a few more experienced players. Todays lack lustre win will take the hype away from Kerry. I think the winner from the Mayo/Dublin side of the draw will be AI Champions this year. The Media and GAA will want a Dublin/Kerry final.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 23, 2015, 06:19:56 PM
Reminiscent of the Dublin V Fermanagh game,only ever going to be one winner but referee with ridiculous penalty award costing me a bet with Kerry -4 :() keeping Tyrone in the game artificially.At last we are left with three real contenders
This makes me smile
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 23, 2015, 06:24:15 PM
Donaghys Indian summer looks to have subsided. Cooper looked out of sorts. JOD ran and ran without doing what seemed a whole lot. Tyrone are a decent side. But they lacked the killer instinct. Believe me as a Mayo man I've seen years of this affinity. Kerry seemed to be able to push on despite being under pressure and not playing well. They never seemed to panic. I suppose deep down they knew they were better than this Tyrone side and they had a few more experienced players. Todays lack lustre win will take the hype away from Kerry. I think the winner from the Mayo/Dublin side of the draw will be AI Champions this year. The Media and GAA will want a Dublin/Kerry final.
He did plenty I thought.
Constantly showed for the ball and very secure in possession.
Kept it alive and looked to bring others into the game.
Put in a good shift.
Great win. Kerry well below par and still won by 4. Will improve greatly for final.
Just back from Croker - very entertaining fare but had Tyrone more nous around the goals and called a halt to the goalkeeper madness of him taking the frees (esp after the peno) in the second half then Tyrone could have made it. Some of his kickouts were appalling as well.
I thought the second 'penalty' was a penalty as I had a good clear view of it.
Sooner Kerry leave Donaghy in Tralee on big match days the better. He adds nothing and gets in the way.
Absolutely gutted, left that one behind. We created the goal chances and didn't take them. McCurry and Morgan spurned a load of frees you'd expect them to have a better return from.
I felt we were the better team, we had the game played on our terms, we opened up Kerry several times and just couldn't take the opportunities that presented themselves and when that happens you probably get what you deserve. I have a degree of sympahty for Morgan today, he was stuck between a rock and a hard place but his decision making went to shit and it cost us points. Conor Clarke looked way off the pace today when he came on and I think the incorrect black card to McNamee had a massive impact on the game.
Bradley, McCann, McAliskey, Harte and Justy were all superb.
Quote from: clarshack on August 23, 2015, 06:04:02 PM
Few great goal chances not taken plus McCurry and Morgan bottling the frees again cost us. Could have easily won that game. Deegan shafted us but that was to be expected. McNulty yellow was a joke - was more a pen than the first one. Thought there were men hanging off him ffs. Peter Harte also was rugby tackled by Enright i think and got a yellow card not black. Tyrone aren't far away and from what i seen today will win Sam again within 2 years. Need to bring in another few u21's next season, possibly lads like Kieran Mcgeary. Cathal McShane needs to get a proper chance too. Would play Mickey O'Neill in nets from now on. Tir Eoghain Abu!
In the first half Deegan gave tyrone so many easy frees and gave kerry nothing. He turned in the second half when the most of the decisions went kerrys way.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 23, 2015, 06:50:00 PM
Absolutely gutted, left that one behind. We created the goal chances and didn't take them. McCurry and Morgan spurned a load of frees you'd expect them to have a better return from.
I felt we were the better team, we had the game played on our terms, we opened up Kerry several times and just couldn't take the opportunities that presented themselves and when that happens you probably get what you deserve. I have a degree of sympahty for Morgan today, he was stuck between a rock and a hard place but his decision making went to shit and it cost us points. Conor Clarke looked way off the pace today when he came on and I think the incorrect black card to McNamee had a massive impact on the game.
Bradley, McCann, McAliskey, Harte and Justy were all superb.
McCann is a very good athlete but didnt really have a good game. Coughed up a lot of possession by taking the wrong option.
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2015, 06:50:22 PM
Quote from: clarshack on August 23, 2015, 06:04:02 PM
Few great goal chances not taken plus McCurry and Morgan bottling the frees again cost us. Could have easily won that game. Deegan shafted us but that was to be expected. McNulty yellow was a joke - was more a pen than the first one. Thought there were men hanging off him ffs. Peter Harte also was rugby tackled by Enright i think and got a yellow card not black. Tyrone aren't far away and from what i seen today will win Sam again within 2 years. Need to bring in another few u21's next season, possibly lads like Kieran Mcgeary. Cathal McShane needs to get a proper chance too. Would play Mickey O'Neill in nets from now on. Tir Eoghain Abu!
In the first half Deegan gave tyrone so many easy frees and gave kerry nothing. He turned in the second half when the most of the decisions went kerrys way.
I thought the same. Do refs look up twitter at half time to see what people are saying about them?
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2015, 06:50:22 PM
Quote from: clarshack on August 23, 2015, 06:04:02 PM
Few great goal chances not taken plus McCurry and Morgan bottling the frees again cost us. Could have easily won that game. Deegan shafted us but that was to be expected. McNulty yellow was a joke - was more a pen than the first one. Thought there were men hanging off him ffs. Peter Harte also was rugby tackled by Enright i think and got a yellow card not black. Tyrone aren't far away and from what i seen today will win Sam again within 2 years. Need to bring in another few u21's next season, possibly lads like Kieran Mcgeary. Cathal McShane needs to get a proper chance too. Would play Mickey O'Neill in nets from now on. Tir Eoghain Abu!
In the first half Deegan gave tyrone so many easy frees and gave kerry nothing. He turned in the second half when the most of the decisions went kerrys way.
I think the ref knew the umpire had cocked up with the 45 decision so he tried to give us a point for the subsequent 10 mins. McCurry kept missing though.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on August 23, 2015, 06:49:51 PM
Just back from Croker - very entertaining fare but had Tyrone more nous around the goals and called a halt to the goalkeeper madness of him taking the frees (esp after the peno) in the second half then Tyrone could have made it. Some of his kickouts were appalling as well.
I thought the second 'penalty' was a penalty as I had a good clear view of it.
Sooner Kerry leave Donaghy in Tralee on big match days the better. He adds nothing and gets in the way.
Big match days like 06 1/4, 06 semi, 06 final, 07 final, 14 semis, 14 final?
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 23, 2015, 06:50:00 PM
Absolutely gutted, left that one behind. We created the goal chances and didn't take them. McCurry and Morgan spurned a load of frees you'd expect them to have a better return from.
I felt we were the better team, we had the game played on our terms, we opened up Kerry several times and just couldn't take the opportunities that presented themselves and when that happens you probably get what you deserve. I have a degree of sympahty for Morgan today, he was stuck between a rock and a hard place but his decision making went to shit and it cost us points. Conor Clarke looked way off the pace today when he came on and I think the incorrect black card to McNamee had a massive impact on the game.
Bradley, McCann, McAliskey, Harte and Justy were all superb.
McCann is a very good athlete but didnt really have a good game. Coughed up a lot of possession by taking the wrong option.
He punched holes through the Kerry middle all game long.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 23, 2015, 06:48:59 PM
Great win. Kerry well below par and still won by 4. Will improve greatly for final.
Actually think today's game will bring them along. The Kildare game was a turkey shoot and did nothing for them. Think they will be sharper for the final. Bit silly to be writing them off just yet IMO.
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Absolutely gutted, left that one behind. We created the goal chances and didn't take them. McCurry and Morgan spurned a load of frees you'd expect them to have a better return from.
I felt we were the better team, we had the game played on our terms, we opened up Kerry several times and just couldn't take the opportunities that presented themselves and when that happens you probably get what you deserve. I have a degree of sympahty for Morgan today, he was stuck between a rock and a hard place but his decision making went to shit and it cost us points. Conor Clarke looked way off the pace today when he came on and I think the incorrect black card to McNamee had a massive impact on the game.
Bradley, McCann, McAliskey, Harte and Justy were all superb.
McCann is a very good athlete but didnt really have a good game. Coughed up a lot of possession by taking the wrong option.
He punched holes through the Kerry middle all game long.
Yes with his running but didnt have an end product a lot of the time. He tried a ridiculous dummy 2 or 3 times and lost the ball each time.
He sold a dummy to himself at one point in the second half.
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Quote from: blanketattack on August 23, 2015, 06:48:59 PM
Great win. Kerry well below par and still won by 4. Will improve greatly for final.
Actually think today's game will bring them along. The Kildare game was a turkey shoot and did nothing for them. Think they will be sharper for the final. Bit silly to be writing them off just yet IMO.
Yeah, kerry will be delighted with that result. Into a final with no fanfare, some people writing them off and the Tyrone monkey off their back - a decent day's work
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Quote from: blanketattack on August 23, 2015, 06:48:59 PM
Great win. Kerry well below par and still won by 4. Will improve greatly for final.
Actually think today's game will bring them along. The Kildare game was a turkey shoot and did nothing for them. Think they will be sharper for the final. Bit silly to be writing them off just yet IMO.
Yeah, kerry will be delighted with that result. Into a final with no fanfare, some people writing them off and the Tyrone monkey off their back - a decent day's work
Yes a good way for Kerry to go into the final, they are probably not at the level of some previous Kerry sides but Mayo or Dublin will have to be at their best to beat them.
Football 1 cheating, diving and thuggery 0. What a great day. That disgusting assault on the Gooch at the end of the game tell you everything about Tyrone, have no intention on playing football just want to bring the game into the gutter every time, speaking of which, was hairboy playing today? Oh that's right he was, gave the ball straight to a Kerry man for a fine score and then he made a pathetic attempt at a goal by kicking it a mile wide when he tried some soccer pass, once again what a great day, well done to Kerry on trying to play football against with what they were faced with today, hopefully the refs and the media continue their crusade against Tyrones cynical tactics at all levels.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 23, 2015, 06:50:00 PM
Absolutely gutted, left that one behind. We created the goal chances and didn't take them. McCurry and Morgan spurned a load of frees you'd expect them to have a better return from.
I felt we were the better team, we had the game played on our terms, we opened up Kerry several times and just couldn't take the opportunities that presented themselves and when that happens you probably get what you deserve. I have a degree of sympahty for Morgan today, he was stuck between a rock and a hard place but his decision making went to shit and it cost us points. Conor Clarke looked way off the pace today when he came on and I think the incorrect black card to McNamee had a massive impact on the game.
Bradley, McCann, McAliskey, Harte and Justy were all superb.
McCann is a very good athlete but didnt really have a good game. Coughed up a lot of possession by taking the wrong option.
He punched holes through the Kerry middle all game long.
Yes with his running but didnt have an end product a lot of the time. He tried a ridiculous dummy 2 or 3 times and lost the ball each time.
His inexperience shone today. Took the wrong option too many times.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 23, 2015, 06:50:00 PM
Absolutely gutted, left that one behind. We created the goal chances and didn't take them. McCurry and Morgan spurned a load of frees you'd expect them to have a better return from.
I felt we were the better team, we had the game played on our terms, we opened up Kerry several times and just couldn't take the opportunities that presented themselves and when that happens you probably get what you deserve. I have a degree of sympahty for Morgan today, he was stuck between a rock and a hard place but his decision making went to shit and it cost us points. Conor Clarke looked way off the pace today when he came on and I think the incorrect black card to McNamee had a massive impact on the game.
Bradley, McCann, McAliskey, Harte and Justy were all superb.
McCann is a very good athlete but didnt really have a good game. Coughed up a lot of possession by taking the wrong option.
He punched holes through the Kerry middle all game long.
Yes with his running but didnt have an end product a lot of the time. He tried a ridiculous dummy 2 or 3 times and lost the ball each time.
His inexperience shone today. Took the wrong option too many times.
How long has he been on the senior team? I keep hearing about his inexperience
Gooch Cooper once again fails to do it against an Ulster side.
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Absolutely gutted, left that one behind. We created the goal chances and didn't take them. McCurry and Morgan spurned a load of frees you'd expect them to have a better return from.
I felt we were the better team, we had the game played on our terms, we opened up Kerry several times and just couldn't take the opportunities that presented themselves and when that happens you probably get what you deserve. I have a degree of sympahty for Morgan today, he was stuck between a rock and a hard place but his decision making went to shit and it cost us points. Conor Clarke looked way off the pace today when he came on and I think the incorrect black card to McNamee had a massive impact on the game.
Bradley, McCann, McAliskey, Harte and Justy were all superb.
McCann is a very good athlete but didnt really have a good game. Coughed up a lot of possession by taking the wrong option.
He punched holes through the Kerry middle all game long.
Yes with his running but didnt have an end product a lot of the time. He tried a ridiculous dummy 2 or 3 times and lost the ball each time.
His inexperience shone today. Took the wrong option too many times.
How long has he been on the senior team? I keep hearing about his inexperience
Made his first Championship start against Down last year.
Whatever about Donaghey, he got that all important point before half time. Tyrone had the beating of kerry but for some poor decision making. A proud effort all the same and kerry won't be beat in the final.
Good game, hard luck to the Tyrone bucks, well done Kerry, have to say though James ODonoghue is a horrible little toad though, smirking little diver
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have to say though James ODonoghue is a horrible little toad though, smirking little diver
He was in good company today so considering the opposition
Kerry will be concerned about the form of donaghy and cooper. Donaghy won't be starting the final. Geaney was superb, as were maher, Walsh and o'brien.
Morgan is some gobshite. The other keeper should feel aggrieved as he seems a better keeper. Bradley looks like an excellent and genuine footballer and hopefully we don't start to see him rolling about in the coming years as is the Tyrone way.
Will mickey stay on next year?
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The tackle on Cooper surely was a red card too.
Tackle on Cooper a Red, defo. Darran pull down near the end Black (+ Yellow = Red). Enright Yellow was a black.
Was it high? I thought he caught him across the chest?
Quote from: regal on August 23, 2015, 07:17:25 PM
Kerry will be concerned about the form of donaghy and cooper. Donaghy won't be starting the final. Geaney was superb, as were maher, Walsh and o'brien.
Morgan is some gobshite. The other keeper should feel aggrieved as he seems a better keeper. Bradley looks like an excellent and genuine footballer and hopefully we don't start to see him rolling about in the coming years as is the Tyrone way.
Will mickey stay on next year?
Geaney had a great game when he came on. Bradley was probably tyrones best player, bit unlucky with his goal chance as he hit it hard and low, in reality it was an excellent save.
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The tackle on Cooper surely was a red card too.
Tackle on Cooper a Red, defo. Darran pull down near the end Black (+ Yellow = Red). Enright Yellow was a black.
Was it high? I thought he caught him across the chest?
Assault would be the appropriate word
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 23, 2015, 07:12:12 PM
Gooch Cooper once again fails to do it against an Ulster side.
Cooper had quite a good game overall, got a few points and several assists.
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Morgan is some gobshite. The other keeper should feel aggrieved as he seems a better keeper.
Couldn't help but remember this today when he looked rattled....
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/video-news/video-tyrones-niall-morgan-converts-nine-45s-and-one-55-in-less-than-90-seconds-30314451.html
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 23, 2015, 07:12:12 PM
Gooch Cooper once again fails to do it against an Ulster side.
He'll not sleep tonight as he cuddles his 4 All Irelands and 8 All Stars dreaming of this years final!!
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 23, 2015, 07:12:12 PM
Gooch Cooper once again fails to do it against an Ulster side.
Cooper had quite a good game overall, got a few points and several assists.
He also put in 3 brilliant kick passes (remember them) which should have resulted in at least a goal and a couple of points but Kerry missed all 3.
This whole thing that the tackle on Gooch was definitely a red is a head scratcher for me,the angles i seen weren't conducive to forming a definite answer, hopefully the Sunday game will have a better angle.
I'm talking about the one after he punched the ball wide. That was a red.
The one that got the black card was a yellow by rights.
Quote from: beer baron on August 23, 2015, 07:32:59 PM
This whole thing that the tackle on Gooch was definitely a red is a head scratcher for me,the angles i seen weren't conducive to forming a definite answer, hopefully the Sunday game will have a better angle.
Had Marty Duffy been reffing he'd have given Gooch a black card for this incident.
Quote from: beer baron on August 23, 2015, 07:32:59 PM
This whole thing that the tackle on Gooch was definitely a red is a head scratcher for me,the angles i seen weren't conducive to forming a definite answer, hopefully the Sunday game will have a better angle.
The Sunday Game 'angle' is that Tyrone are the anti christ, Football has been saved, and Tyrone should be put in their own special championship, with the games played after the 9pm watershed.
I have to say I really enjoyed the game. Was there for the taking for Tyrone. Missed a number of gilt edged goal chances and easy frees. Similar to last years final in many ways, not least with Morgan pressing the self destruct button on a number of occasion. On the balance of things Kerry got the big decisions from the ref/umpires. Its hard to say whether it ultimately affected the outcome but it didn't help Tyrone's cause. For Tyrone I thought Harte, Colm Cavanagh, Bradley and McAliskey stood out. Maybe it was the conditions but I thought Meyler gave away possession a number of times and I'm surprised he wasn't substituted sooner. Just didn't pan out for Sean Cavanagh, game sort of bypassed him.
For Kerry, Buckley was superb. Really surprised me with his skill and took his scores brilliantly. JOD got a lot of possession and was a constant thorn in Tyrone's side. Gooch came into it later in the game (he took a very dirty hit at the end that should have been a red card). Maher picked up an important point near the end but it wasn't a conventional midfield battle so not as influential as previously. For me the difference was the quality forwards Kerry were able to take on Geaney, O'Sullivan and BJK. They all made important contributions. Also unlike some of the posters here I thought Donnacha Walsh had a great game maybe not MOM but not far away.
Tyrone just didn't have the killer instinct up front, but both Mayo and Dublin do.
I wonder will the Sunday Game be analysing Peter Crowley's antics on Cavanagh today given the way Justy's man marking job on Murphy didn't sit well with him.
Crowley was at it all day and was trying to get Cavangh sent off early on in the first half.
Quote from: grounded on August 23, 2015, 07:42:14 PM
I have to say I really enjoyed the game. Was there for the taking for Tyrone. Missed a number of gilt edged goal chances and easy frees. Similar to last years final in many ways, not least with Morgan pressing the self destruct button on a number of occasion. On the balance of things Kerry got the big decisions from the ref/umpires. Its hard to say whether it ultimately affected the outcome but it didn't help Tyrone's cause. For Tyrone I thought Harte, Colm Cavanagh, Bradley and McAliskey stood out. Maybe it was the conditions but I thought Meyler gave away possession a number of times and I'm surprised he wasn't substituted sooner. Just didn't pan out for Sean Cavanagh, game sort of bypassed him.
For Kerry, Buckley was superb. Really surprised me with his skill and took his scores brilliantly. JOD got a lot of possession and was a constant thorn in Tyrone's side. Gooch came into it later in the game (he took a very dirty hit at the end that should have been a red card). Maher picked up an important point near the end but it wasn't a conventional midfield battle so not as influential as previously. For me the difference was the quality forwards Kerry were able to take on Geaney, O'Sullivan and BJK. They all made important contributions. Also unlike some of the posters here I thought Donnacha Walsh had a great game maybe not MOM but not far away.
Tyrone just didn't have the killer instinct up front, but both Mayo and Dublin do.
;D
Quote from: regal on August 23, 2015, 07:17:25 PM
Kerry will be concerned about the form of donaghy and cooper. Donaghy won't be starting the final. Geaney was superb, as were maher, Walsh and o'brien.
Morgan is some gobshite. The other keeper should feel aggrieved as he seems a better keeper. Bradley looks like an excellent and genuine footballer and hopefully we don't start to see him rolling about in the coming years as is the Tyrone way.
Will mickey stay on next year?
He's confirmed he is staying on for 2016.
Quote from: grounded on August 23, 2015, 07:42:14 PM
I have to say I really enjoyed the game. Was there for the taking for Tyrone. Missed a number of gilt edged goal chances and easy frees. Similar to last years final in many ways, not least with Morgan pressing the self destruct button on a number of occasion. On the balance of things Kerry got the big decisions from the ref/umpires. Its hard to say whether it ultimately affected the outcome but it didn't help Tyrone's cause. For Tyrone I thought Harte, Colm Cavanagh, Bradley and McAliskey stood out. Maybe it was the conditions but I thought Meyler gave away possession a number of times and I'm surprised he wasn't substituted sooner. Just didn't pan out for Sean Cavanagh, game sort of bypassed him.
For Kerry, Buckley was superb. Really surprised me with his skill and took his scores brilliantly. JOD got a lot of possession and was a constant thorn in Tyrone's side. Gooch came into it later in the game (he took a very dirty hit at the end that should have been a red card). Maher picked up an important point near the end but it wasn't a conventional midfield battle so not as influential as previously. For me the difference was the quality forwards Kerry were able to take on Geaney, O'Sullivan and BJK. They all made important contributions. Also unlike some of the posters here I thought Donnacha Walsh had a great game maybe not MOM but not far away.
Tyrone just didn't have the killer instinct up front, but both Mayo and Dublin do.
The kerry subs contributed very well especially geaney. What surprised me was how quiet mattie donnelly in particular and also sean cavanagh were. Who was marking donnelly, from tv it looked like david moran. He seemed to do a great job for the team by tracking donnellys runs and tackling him strongly but fairly.
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Kerry will be concerned about the form of donaghy and cooper. Donaghy won't be starting the final. Geaney was superb, as were maher, Walsh and o'brien.
Morgan is some gobshite. The other keeper should feel aggrieved as he seems a better keeper. Bradley looks like an excellent and genuine footballer and hopefully we don't start to see him rolling about in the coming years as is the Tyrone way.
Will mickey stay on next year?
He's confirmed he is staying on for 2016.
Is there anybody who could do a better job?
The irony is if Tyrone threw off the shackles in that 2nd half and used there skill they could have done it. Time for mickey to leave.
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Quote from: grounded on August 23, 2015, 07:42:14 PM
I have to say I really enjoyed the game. Was there for the taking for Tyrone. Missed a number of gilt edged goal chances and easy frees. Similar to last years final in many ways, not least with Morgan pressing the self destruct button on a number of occasion. On the balance of things Kerry got the big decisions from the ref/umpires. Its hard to say whether it ultimately affected the outcome but it didn't help Tyrone's cause. For Tyrone I thought Harte, Colm Cavanagh, Bradley and McAliskey stood out. Maybe it was the conditions but I thought Meyler gave away possession a number of times and I'm surprised he wasn't substituted sooner. Just didn't pan out for Sean Cavanagh, game sort of bypassed him.
For Kerry, Buckley was superb. Really surprised me with his skill and took his scores brilliantly. JOD got a lot of possession and was a constant thorn in Tyrone's side. Gooch came into it later in the game (he took a very dirty hit at the end that should have been a red card). Maher picked up an important point near the end but it wasn't a conventional midfield battle so not as influential as previously. For me the difference was the quality forwards Kerry were able to take on Geaney, O'Sullivan and BJK. They all made important contributions. Also unlike some of the posters here I thought Donnacha Walsh had a great game maybe not MOM but not far away.
Tyrone just didn't have the killer instinct up front, but both Mayo and Dublin do.
The kerry subs contributed very well especially geaney. What surprised me was how quiet mattie donnelly in particular and also sean cavanagh were. Who was marking donnelly, from tv it looked like david moran. He seemed to do a great job for the team by tracking donnellys runs and tackling him strongly but fairly.
So good that he was substituted with about 15 minutes to go.
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The tackle on Cooper surely was a red card too.
Tackle on Cooper a Red, defo. Darran pull down near the end Black (+ Yellow = Red). Enright Yellow was a black.
Was it high? I thought he caught him across the chest?
Assault would be the appropriate word
It had the strong whiff of a vintage Meath hit.
All is right with the world again!!
Yes Tyrone performed admirably but logically when this match was considered Kerry were always going to win. They have the players and the pedigree at this level, all of their substitutes would be in Tyrone's first 15.
Having said that Tie Rone gave it a real rattle and yes some decisions went against them but what do you expect? Have they ever heard of 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf'. You reap what you sow lads. Karma is catching up on you!
In honesty Tyrone didn't deserve to win the game but I will say this. . . They aren't as far away as I and many others thought. If they can keep Cavanagh fit for a couple more seasons they still have a chance although they are still a cut below the top 3.
Really looking forward to next weeks game and the final! They promise to be excellent games!!
PS. McMahon and McNamee clearly demonstrated why Tyrone are so hated. Has the Gooch ever laydown without reason?? Shame on the 2 lads!!
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The irony is if Tyrone threw off the shackles in that 2nd half and used there skill they could have done it. Time for mickey to leave.
FFS
Quote from: highorlow on August 23, 2015, 08:05:32 PM
The irony is if Tyrone threw off the shackles in that 2nd half and used there skill they could have done it. Time for mickey to leave.
Are you suggesting that Tyrone have better footballers than Kerry? If Tyrone played conventional 15v15 against Kerry the result would have been more emphatic so Harte deserves credit for getting as close to an AI final as he did with those players. I do not subscribe to the theory that this Tyrone team are equipped to win an AI title.
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The irony is if Tyrone threw off the shackles in that 2nd half and used there skill they could have done it. Time for mickey to leave.
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Quote from: highorlow on August 23, 2015, 08:05:32 PM
The irony is if Tyrone threw off the shackles in that 2nd half and used there skill they could have done it. Time for mickey to leave.
Wrong. It proved mickey is still one of the top dogs about when it comes to tactics.
It wasn't mickey who missed the chances tyrone had.
Quote from: screenexile on August 23, 2015, 08:08:01 PM
All is right with the world again!!
Yes Tyrone performed admirably but logically when this match was considered Kerry were always going to win. They have the players and the pedigree at this level, all of their substitutes would be in Tyrone's first 15.
Having said that Tie Rone gave it a real rattle and yes some decisions went against them but what do you expect? Have they ever heard of 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf'. You reap what you sow lads. Karma is catching up on you!
In honesty Tyrone didn't deserve to win the game but I will say this. . . They aren't as far away as I and many others thought. If they can keep Cavanagh fit for a couple more seasons they still have a chance although they are still a cut below the top 3.
Really looking forward to next weeks game and the final! They promise to be excellent games!!
PS. McMahon and McNamee clearly demonstrated why Tyrone are so hated. Has the Gooch ever laydown without reason?? Shame on the 2 lads!!
I had €20 on Tyrone as I thought Kerry would struggle to handle them running at pace. They had their chances.
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Quote from: highorlow on August 23, 2015, 08:05:32 PM
The irony is if Tyrone threw off the shackles in that 2nd half and used there skill they could have done it. Time for mickey to leave.
Are you suggesting that Tyrone have better footballers than Kerry? If Tyrone played conventional 15v15 against Kerry the result would have been more emphatic so Harte deserves credit for getting as close to an AI final as he did with those players. I do not subscribe to the theory that this Tyrone team are equipped to win an AI title.
The bottom line is Tyrone threw that game away, they had the goal chances, they had the chances from frees, Morgan imploded on his kickouts and gifted scores to Kerry and still in spite of all those factors they could still have won this game if Deegan did his job as he should have.
Tyrone were the better side today but they only have themselves to blame as to why they didn't win.
somebody here said Tyrone were the better team? seriously what are you watching? they match Kerry to the 52nd Minute then Kerry pulled away. A very debatable penalty brought them back into it when they were 5 behind and falling adrift. Its OK having runners like McCann, meyler etc but at the end of the day its Gaelic football, not running round a track all day. you still have to put the ball over the bar. Kerry half forwards and midfield could. on the day Tyrone`s did not. Moran totally eclipsed Donnelly on the midfield. Kerry were poor enough on the day but still had enough. Tyrone have come on alot this year but when 5 down they should have pushed up and attacked more
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I have to say I really enjoyed the game. Was there for the taking for Tyrone. Missed a number of gilt edged goal chances and easy frees. Similar to last years final in many ways, not least with Morgan pressing the self destruct button on a number of occasion. On the balance of things Kerry got the big decisions from the ref/umpires. Its hard to say whether it ultimately affected the outcome but it didn't help Tyrone's cause. For Tyrone I thought Harte, Colm Cavanagh, Bradley and McAliskey stood out. Maybe it was the conditions but I thought Meyler gave away possession a number of times and I'm surprised he wasn't substituted sooner. Just didn't pan out for Sean Cavanagh, game sort of bypassed him.
For Kerry, Buckley was superb. Really surprised me with his skill and took his scores brilliantly. JOD got a lot of possession and was a constant thorn in Tyrone's side. Gooch came into it later in the game (he took a very dirty hit at the end that should have been a red card). Maher picked up an important point near the end but it wasn't a conventional midfield battle so not as influential as previously. For me the difference was the quality forwards Kerry were able to take on Geaney, O'Sullivan and BJK. They all made important contributions. Also unlike some of the posters here I thought Donnacha Walsh had a great game maybe not MOM but not far away.
Tyrone just didn't have the killer instinct up front, but both Mayo and Dublin do.
The kerry subs contributed very well especially geaney. What surprised me was how quiet mattie donnelly in particular and also sean cavanagh were. Who was marking donnelly, from tv it looked like david moran. He seemed to do a great job for the team by tracking donnellys runs and tackling him strongly but fairly.
So good that he was substituted with about 15 minutes to go.
Moran is a brilliant traditional midfielder asked to do a job on a running midfielder. He did that role excellently for 55 minutes and then fresh legs were sent in. Thats the way i saw it from watching on tv. I was just surprised at how quiet donnelly was as he has been the stand out player for tyrone for the last couple of years. He just didnt perform today.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 08:14:40 PM
somebody here said Tyrone were the better team? seriously what are you watching? they match Kerry to the 52nd Minute then Kerry pulled away. A very debatable penalty brought them back into it when they were 5 behind and falling adrift. Its OK having runners like McCann, meyler etc but at the end of the day its Gaelic football, not running round a track all day. you still have to put the ball over the bar. Kerry half forwards and midfield could. on the day Tyrone`s did not. Moran totally eclipsed Donnelly on the midfield. Kerry were poor enough on the day but still had enough. Tyrone have come on alot this year but when 5 down they should have pushed up and attacked more
The bottom line is had Tyrone taken their chances, they would have won. That's not even taking into account the refereeing decisions that went against them.
Moran was taken off, Donnelly had far more of an influence for Tyrone than Moran had for Kerry.
All tyrone's goal chances came from free flowing play, they might have matched the kingdom. Kerry are no great shakes. Tyrone showed them far too much respect. Tyrone are clogged in a defensive mire, they could not counter attack at key moments.
In the last 10 minutes where conventional ball was played Tyrone looked fairly ok, that is my point.
In the last 10 minutes, Kerry outscored Tyrone by 4 points I believe. It was all square with about 10 minutes to go.
I dont know what you watching Moran dominated him and only went off for fresh legs, it was telling Tyrone came back into it when he went off
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 08:14:40 PM
somebody here said Tyrone were the better team? seriously what are you watching? they match Kerry to the 52nd Minute then Kerry pulled away. A very debatable penalty brought them back into it when they were 5 behind and falling adrift. Its OK having runners like McCann, meyler etc but at the end of the day its Gaelic football, not running round a track all day. you still have to put the ball over the bar. Kerry half forwards and midfield could. on the day Tyrone`s did not. Moran totally eclipsed Donnelly on the midfield. Kerry were poor enough on the day but still had enough. Tyrone have come on alot this year but when 5 down they should have pushed up and attacked more
The bottom line is had Tyrone taken their chances, they would have won. That's not even taking into account the refereeing decisions that went against them.
Moran was taken off, Donnelly had far more of an influence for Tyrone than Moran had for Kerry.
Not true! When Tyrone took one Kerry pulled away! They were clearly the better team why can't the Tyronie's see that?
On Morgan it was clear he was told only as a very last resort he should hoof it down the middle. Not everyone is Stephen Cluxton and even Cluxton looked ordinary when Donegal sussed out his kicking strategy last year. It's not f**king easy to execute a short kickout strategy when the opposing team push up. I'd be more worried about Kerry's GK who continually kicked ball away when he had men free up to the half way line!!
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Quote from: grounded on August 23, 2015, 07:42:14 PM
I have to say I really enjoyed the game. Was there for the taking for Tyrone. Missed a number of gilt edged goal chances and easy frees. Similar to last years final in many ways, not least with Morgan pressing the self destruct button on a number of occasion. On the balance of things Kerry got the big decisions from the ref/umpires. Its hard to say whether it ultimately affected the outcome but it didn't help Tyrone's cause. For Tyrone I thought Harte, Colm Cavanagh, Bradley and McAliskey stood out. Maybe it was the conditions but I thought Meyler gave away possession a number of times and I'm surprised he wasn't substituted sooner. Just didn't pan out for Sean Cavanagh, game sort of bypassed him.
For Kerry, Buckley was superb. Really surprised me with his skill and took his scores brilliantly. JOD got a lot of possession and was a constant thorn in Tyrone's side. Gooch came into it later in the game (he took a very dirty hit at the end that should have been a red card). Maher picked up an important point near the end but it wasn't a conventional midfield battle so not as influential as previously. For me the difference was the quality forwards Kerry were able to take on Geaney, O'Sullivan and BJK. They all made important contributions. Also unlike some of the posters here I thought Donnacha Walsh had a great game maybe not MOM but not far away.
Tyrone just didn't have the killer instinct up front, but both Mayo and Dublin do.
The kerry subs contributed very well especially geaney. What surprised me was how quiet mattie donnelly in particular and also sean cavanagh were. Who was marking donnelly, from tv it looked like david moran. He seemed to do a great job for the team by tracking donnellys runs and tackling him strongly but fairly.
So good that he was substituted with about 15 minutes to go.
Moran is a brilliant traditional midfielder asked to do a job on a running midfielder. He did that role excellently for 55 minutes and then fresh legs were sent in. Thats the way i saw it from watching on tv. I was just surprised at how quiet donnelly was as he has been the stand out player for tyrone for the last couple of years. He just didnt perform today.
I thought it was no coincidence that when Moran went off and Sheahan came on, that was the exact period Tyrone came back into it, winning 4/5 balls in a row at midfield. I'd assumed Moran had picked up a knock as he was bossing midfield - Sheahan when he came on was utterly woeful in comparison.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 08:32:27 PM
I dont know what you watching Moran dominated him and only went off for fresh legs, it was telling Tyrone came back into it when he went off
He didn't dominate him at all. Moran is one of Kerry's best players and his impact on the game was negligible, Donnelly was very involved for Tyrone all day long and certainly seemed to have much more of an impact including getting on the scoresheet. You say Moran stopped Donnelly, why wouldn't it be the other way round. Moran had an extremely quiet day by his standards today.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 08:14:40 PM
somebody here said Tyrone were the better team? seriously what are you watching? they match Kerry to the 52nd Minute then Kerry pulled away. A very debatable penalty brought them back into it when they were 5 behind and falling adrift. Its OK having runners like McCann, meyler etc but at the end of the day its Gaelic football, not running round a track all day. you still have to put the ball over the bar. Kerry half forwards and midfield could. on the day Tyrone`s did not. Moran totally eclipsed Donnelly on the midfield. Kerry were poor enough on the day but still had enough. Tyrone have come on alot this year but when 5 down they should have pushed up and attacked more
The bottom line is had Tyrone taken their chances, they would have won. That's not even taking into account the refereeing decisions that went against them.
Moran was taken off, Donnelly had far more of an influence for Tyrone than Moran had for Kerry.
Not true! When Tyrone took one Kerry pulled away! They were clearly the better team why can't the Tyronie's see that?
On Morgan it was clear he was told only as a very last resort he should hoof it down the middle. Not everyone is Stephen Cluxton and even Cluxton looked ordinary when Donegal sussed out his kicking strategy last year. It's not f**king easy to execute a short kickout strategy when the opposing team push up. I'd be more worried about Kerry's GK who continually kicked ball away when he had men free up to the half way line!!
When Tyrone took one, they followed it up with another score in between McCurry missing a decent chance from a free.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 23, 2015, 06:21:06 PM
What's the verdict on Kerry for the final against Dublin
Kerry being Kerry will win, against Dublin or Mayo.
Moran was certainly not bossing midfield. He was swallowed up in possession a few times in the first half and won very little ball from kick outs as it wasn't that type of match. I'd agree that he is one player I didn't think Fitzmaurice would substitute but he was definitely below par today and to say he dominated is way off the mark. I was surprised that Sheehan came on in a game like today as he has a yellow streak in him. Maher was the pick of Kerry's midfield.
Tyrone have lost their last 3 semi-finals.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 08:32:27 PM
I dont know what you watching Moran dominated him and only went off for fresh legs, it was telling Tyrone came back into it when he went off
He didn't dominate him at all. Moran is one of Kerry's best players and his impact on the game was negligible, Donnelly was very involved for Tyrone all day long and certainly seemed to have much more of an impact including getting on the scoresheet. You say Moran stopped Donnelly, why wouldn't it be the other way round. Moran had an extremely quiet day by his standards today.
But Kerry won
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 23, 2015, 08:37:54 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 08:32:27 PM
I dont know what you watching Moran dominated him and only went off for fresh legs, it was telling Tyrone came back into it when he went off
He didn't dominate him at all. Moran is one of Kerry's best players and his impact on the game was negligible, Donnelly was very involved for Tyrone all day long and certainly seemed to have much more of an impact including getting on the scoresheet. You say Moran stopped Donnelly, why wouldn't it be the other way round. Moran had an extremely quiet day by his standards today.
As asked before, what game were you watching? Donnelly has been one of the stand out performers in the championship up until today but was quiet. Moran handled him very well keeping him quiet and that takes some doing (and energy).
Tyrone performed admirably with their 15 man swarm defence but don't have the quality in terms or strength and depth that Kerry do, very few teams do.
Morgan had a disaster but (and I wouldn't be his biggest fan by any stretch) but Colm Cavanagh had a quare game
Very enjoyable game all in all.
The hit on Cooper at the end was awful
I thought the Gooch was immense, intricate passes, holding the play up, reminded me of Xavi in a soccer comparison. cannot understand the criticism of him on here. donaghy adds nothing and even my 14 year old son was shouting at the telly for him to be subbed.
Brolly was spot on here though
http://gaeliclife.com/2015/08/joe-brolly-points-are-for-wimps/
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Great win. Kerry well below par and still won by 4. Will improve greatly for final.
Actually think today's game will bring them along. The Kildare game was a turkey shoot and did nothing for them. Think they will be sharper for the final. Bit silly to be writing them off just yet IMO.
Yeah, kerry will be delighted with that result. Into a final with no fanfare, some people writing them off and the Tyrone monkey off their back - a decent day's work
The Kildare game was a horrible game to come into a semi-final off.
This game by contrast is a perfect one to head into a final on - a lot of reasonable but very few standout performances in poor conditions, against a side who are more defensive than the two sides in the other semi.
Quote from: beer baron on August 23, 2015, 07:32:59 PM
This whole thing that the tackle on Gooch was definitely a red is a head scratcher for me,the angles i seen weren't conducive to forming a definite answer, hopefully the Sunday game will have a better angle.
It was late and absolutely filthy. Straight red without a shadow of a doubt.
Good effort by Tyrone. But the better team won. Kerry were just better. Sure the Referee did not get all decision correct. That's the way! In fairness he got most things ok! Tyrone are just not good enough yet. That's just the way it is. A Black card here, a penalty there, I don't think it would have made much of a difference. There were decisions that went against Tyrone today, but not enough to say they were robbed. No more than Monaghan a couple of weeks ago could feel aggrieved. As for the quote about opening up and letting loose on Kerry. Jez, you can't be doing that, madness!
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 23, 2015, 08:42:44 PM
Tyrone have lost their last 3 semi-finals.
Next the media will be telling Tyrone they have a Croke Park hoodoo. We (Mayo) were told this for years, despite getting to semi finals and finals. It's a final hoodoo we have (and what a hoodoo it is).
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 23, 2015, 08:42:44 PM
Tyrone have lost their last 3 semi-finals.
Thought turning of the game was the free just after the penalty
Tyrone score to draw and I fancied them to win
Had to laugh thus morning, my twelve year old arrived down to breakfast in a campa cormaic Jersey as nearest he had to a Tyrone Jersey
Mother told him he had better not be seen by me or he would be chased out of house so he changed and waited til I came in from mass to ask my permission to wear it
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2015, 08:42:01 PMI was surprised that Sheehan came on in a game like today as he has a yellow streak in him. Maher was the pick of Kerry's midfield.
It's one thing playing Sheehan in the half-forward line where he can get away with abject defending and a lack of hunger to fight for ball, but playing him in midfield is just asking for trouble. Have to wonder what the story is with Tommy Walsh given how decent he looked in his brief cameo in the Kildare game (where Sheehan was pretty much the only Kerry player to have a poor day)
Quote from: gallsman on August 23, 2015, 08:52:21 PM
Quote from: beer baron on August 23, 2015, 07:32:59 PM
This whole thing that the tackle on Gooch was definitely a red is a head scratcher for me,the angles i seen weren't conducive to forming a definite answer, hopefully the Sunday game will have a better angle.
It was late and absolutely filthy. Straight red without a shadow of a doubt.
Could well be but i'll decide when i see for certain. I'm a huge Gooch fan so if it's anywhere close to a red i'd safely say i'll be saying it's a definite red.
Quote from: gallsman on August 23, 2015, 08:52:21 PM
Quote from: beer baron on August 23, 2015, 07:32:59 PM
This whole thing that the tackle on Gooch was definitely a red is a head scratcher for me,the angles i seen weren't conducive to forming a definite answer, hopefully the Sunday game will have a better angle.
It was late and absolutely filthy. Straight red without a shadow of a doubt.
http://www.balls.ie/gaa/gif-ronan-mcnabb-colm-cooper/305970
Red all day long.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2015, 08:42:01 PM
Moran was certainly not bossing midfield. He was swallowed up in possession a few times in the first half and won very little ball from kick outs as it wasn't that type of match.
I watch Moran closely because he's a colleague (different office) and paid particular attention today when I was four rows from the front on the 45 getting absolutely soaked . I fully agree with the point about being swallowed up in possession, and was disappointed to see him grab on to the ankle of the opponent who got the ball from him on not one but two of those occasions. I actually think he was a wee bit frustrated today, though absolutely everything was going through him in the first half. Definitely not his best day out.
But congrats to Kerry, they were not at their best and still won, though Tyrone helped them no end. We need a free taker.
Disappointing result as I think this game could have went either way. Maybe kerrys experience just told in the end but Tyrone will be better for the experience. Thought many of the big names cancelled each other out. The old free problems coming back to haunt Tyrone, same as Donegal game. If you can't put over pressure 45s at this stage then forget about it. Great effort all the same and fair play mickey harte
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In the last 10 minutes, Kerry outscored Tyrone by 4 points I believe. It was all square with about 10 minutes to go.
Kerry were also 5 up in the 53th min and appeared home free. I don't want to spoil your argument.
When Tyrone were forced into a "chase game" they looked reasonably strong, maybe I was watching another game
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 08:14:40 PM
somebody here said Tyrone were the better team? seriously what are you watching? they match Kerry to the 52nd Minute then Kerry pulled away. A very debatable penalty brought them back into it when they were 5 behind and falling adrift. Its OK having runners like McCann, meyler etc but at the end of the day its Gaelic football, not running round a track all day. you still have to put the ball over the bar. Kerry half forwards and midfield could. on the day Tyrone`s did not. Moran totally eclipsed Donnelly on the midfield. Kerry were poor enough on the day but still had enough. Tyrone have come on alot this year but when 5 down they should have pushed up and attacked more
The bottom line is had Tyrone taken their chances, they would have won. That's not even taking into account the refereeing decisions that went against them.
Moran was taken off, Donnelly had far more of an influence for Tyrone than Moran had for Kerry.
Not true! When Tyrone took one Kerry pulled away! They were clearly the better team why can't the Tyronie's see that?
On Morgan it was clear he was told only as a very last resort he should hoof it down the middle. Not everyone is Stephen Cluxton and even Cluxton looked ordinary when Donegal sussed out his kicking strategy last year. It's not f**king easy to execute a short kickout strategy when the opposing team push up. I'd be more worried about Kerry's GK who continually kicked ball away when he had men free up to the half way line!!
I agree that Kerry were probably the better team but you have to acknowledge that Tyrone created the more goalscoring chances and goals change matches, in fact Kerry's much vaunted forward line didn't create a goalscoring chance of note. Had Bradley's gone in or McAliskey looked up, then the game would have been very different. Tyrone defending a 5 point lead, picking Kerry off, is a very different game.
Tyrone, in the main got their match ups right today but their own kick out and free kicks at crucial times especially after the penalty done for us today.
The only time I really felt we struggled was a 15 or so min period between 40 and 55ish minutes when they went 4 up. The introduction of Geaney was key here and caused us problems. The lead meant they could throw the ball around in front of the "blanket" (to the ole's of some of their crowd ::)) At this point they could have run away with it but Tyrone clawed their way back into the game, a much inferior team wouldn't have been able to do that. We went level but missed a few crucial frees when we had the game going our way. Unfortunately we couldn't take the chances and Kerry could.
I feel that this is a Tyrone team that has come a long way in a short period of time. Kerry are a team who are a bit more comfortable in their own skin, who have been around for a bit longer had the experience to take the crucial scores where necessary. Tyrone play a style were they concede a lot of ball and invite the opposition on to them, this can look like they are being dominated, but look at the goal chances created and the position of the game on 62mins and I can't really say that Kerry were
clearly the better team.
Well done Kerry, a good game of football and best of luck in the final.
I am very positive about next year. I'm glad Mickey is staying on though I think we need a few up grades in certain positions. Mickey O'Neill should be pushing Morgan next year. Cassidy, McGeary and Hampsey should be looking at McRory and possibly McNabbs place. Big Paudie has shown well in the past two games, I feel he could prove very effective as a target from wing half forward. Lee Brennan will be chomping at the bit for either McAliskey or McCurrys place. All in all, things look a lot more positive that they did 12 months ago.
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Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2015, 08:42:01 PMI was surprised that Sheehan came on in a game like today as he has a yellow streak in him. Maher was the pick of Kerry's midfield.
It's one thing playing Sheehan in the half-forward line where he can get away with abject defending and a lack of hunger to fight for ball, but playing him in midfield is just asking for trouble. Have to wonder what the story is with Tommy Walsh given how decent he looked in his brief cameo in the Kildare game (where Sheehan was pretty much the only Kerry player to have a poor day)
I think David Moran is carrying an injury. He was taken off with Kerry up by 5. Kerry thinking of the Bigger day. Tommy Walsh looking good v Kildare, jez BJK looked good v Kildare. Tommy Walsh i fear is not out of injury either. There seems to be nothing more than a half left in him.
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Quote from: beer baron on August 23, 2015, 07:32:59 PM
This whole thing that the tackle on Gooch was definitely a red is a head scratcher for me,the angles i seen weren't conducive to forming a definite answer, hopefully the Sunday game will have a better angle.
It was late and absolutely filthy. Straight red without a shadow of a doubt.
http://www.balls.ie/gaa/gif-ronan-mcnabb-colm-cooper/305970
Red all day long.
Straight red.
But not only that. Cooper had put his attempt wide and Tyrone had the checkout with time to get the ball down the pitch. Instead Kerry got to eat up time, get possession and kick a simple free to put them three up. It was a monumentally stupid thing to do in the circumstances.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 08:32:27 PM
I dont know what you watching Moran dominated him and only went off for fresh legs, it was telling Tyrone came back into it when he went off
He didn't dominate him at all. Moran is one of Kerry's best players and his impact on the game was negligible, Donnelly was very involved for Tyrone all day long and certainly seemed to have much more of an impact including getting on the scoresheet. You say Moran stopped Donnelly, why wouldn't it be the other way round. Moran had an extremely quiet day by his standards today.
But Kerry won
I think this is the first fact you have got correct on this thread.
Still not certain that's a red.
Quote from: beer baron on August 23, 2015, 09:09:56 PM
Still not certain that's a red.
Then there is no hope. That sort of thing has no place in the game. It was a piece of cowardly thuggery.
Quote from: beer baron on August 23, 2015, 09:09:56 PM
Still not certain that's a red.
I know what John McEnroe would say....
The fact that McNabb stayed down himself letting on he was hurt tells you all you need to know
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Quote from: twohands!!! on August 23, 2015, 08:56:35 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2015, 08:42:01 PMI was surprised that Sheehan came on in a game like today as he has a yellow streak in him. Maher was the pick of Kerry's midfield.
It's one thing playing Sheehan in the half-forward line where he can get away with abject defending and a lack of hunger to fight for ball, but playing him in midfield is just asking for trouble. Have to wonder what the story is with Tommy Walsh given how decent he looked in his brief cameo in the Kildare game (where Sheehan was pretty much the only Kerry player to have a poor day)
I think David Moran is carrying an injury. He was taken off with Kerry up by 5. Kerry thinking of the Bigger day. Tommy Walsh looking good v Kildare, jez BJK looked good v Kildare. Tommy Walsh i fear is not out of injury either. There seems to be nothing more than a half left in him.
I know the Kildare game is not much to base evidence on but the fact is I thought Sheehan was utterly dire in that game even with Kerry cruising whereas Walsh did have a few decent moments. I'd tend to agree that it looked very much like Moran was taken off with an eye on the final/possibly had a knock as otherwise I'd say it was a mad decision (Can't help but ponder what would be done to Fitzmaurice in the Kingdom if Kerry hadn't won and it turned out Moran was fit)
I know some Tyrone folk are talking about progress but based on their performance today and in other games this year I really don't see an All-Ireland in them anytime soon. The fact that Sean Kavanagh was so quiet today was very ominous to my mind. Division 2 is a long way off Division 1 in terms of bringing through youngsters if you want to challenge for Sam. It was probably a 6 or 7 out of 10 performance by Kerry and while they never looked comfortable, they definitely looked the better side.
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Quote from: beer baron on August 23, 2015, 09:09:56 PM
Still not certain that's a red.
Then there is no hope. That sort of thing has no place in the game. It was a piece of cowardly thuggery.
Ah ffs, don't start the shite again, it was a late hit. It happens at every grade in nearly every contact sport. McNabb was flying across because he thought Gooch was in on goal. His momentum carried him through Gooch. It wasn't nice but no need to start another witch hunt.
65 mins 20 seconds Deegan gives McNulty a yellow card for diving. Kerry were a point up at this stage. That's how close we came to winning today. Takes a big ref to give two pens to the same team in any game but I do believe they were both penalties.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2015, 09:16:04 PM
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Quote from: beer baron on August 23, 2015, 09:09:56 PM
Still not certain that's a red.
Then there is no hope. That sort of thing has no place in the game. It was a piece of cowardly thuggery.
Ah ffs, don't start the shite again, it was a late hit. It happens all the time at every grade in nearly every contact sport. McNabb was flying across because he thought Gooch was in on goal. His momentum carried him through Gooch. It wasn't nice but no need to start another witch hunt.
Stop it with your own bollocks. McNabb made no f**king attempt to play the ball whatsoever. If it hadn't been late, it still should have been red. That it was late just makes it even worse.
Who said anything about a witch hunt? I (and others here) are calling one specific incident, in one specific game. Lose that giant chip on your shoulder ffs.
Well done Kerry. They constantly adapt. They are some footballing county.
A vast improvement in Tyrone over the last 6 weeks. The year will be viewed as successful in blooding a lot of new young players and in
the defeat today they will have learned a lot.
To be successful at the top level any need team needs to be ruthless.Today Tyrone weren't and once they levelled after the penalty they needed to push on. A little bit more guile in the stretch would have been good but that will come with experience.
An accurate distance free taker, more appetite and ruthlessness in going for goal would take them forward in leaps and bounds.
A hugely spirited and positive performance.
Great also to see the Mickey Harte is staying on for 2016
Ah jaysus well if you lads are telling me it was a definite red and thuggery i better believe it and not wait until i can watch it properly on a tv rather than on a small laptop screen ::).
Looks like he came to catch him with a shoulder at full tilt and may have caught him on the head if that's the case i wouldn't give a red, i may be seeing that wrong at the minute, hence why i said i want to get a proper look at it. I do know one thing for certain people seem very fond of going ott with anything done by a Tyrone player.
Red card for McNabb and Black card for McMahon for tripping Cooper.
But I've the chance to watch the clip a few times.
Celtic tiger OMahony got away with that late pull down bucks, cannot wait until either mayo or dublin find him out in the final
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Quote from: beer baron on August 23, 2015, 09:09:56 PM
Still not certain that's a red.
Then there is no hope. That sort of thing has no place in the game. It was a piece of cowardly thuggery.
Ah ffs, don't start the shite again, it was a late hit. It happens at every grade in nearly every contact sport. McNabb was flying across because he thought Gooch was in on goal. His momentum carried him through Gooch. It wasn't nice but no need to start another witch hunt.
(http://www.gregrossmunro.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/blinkers.jpg)
The hit on cooper was a red all day long, shockingly high and looked fairly deliberate
Quote from: beer baron on August 23, 2015, 09:24:24 PM
Ah jaysus well if you lads are telling me it was a definite red and thuggery i better believe it and not wait until i can watch it properly on a tv rather than on a small laptop screen ::).
Looks like he came to catch him with a shoulder at full tilt and may have caught him on the head if that's the case i wouldn't give a red, i may be seeing that wrong at the minute, hence why i said i want to get a proper look at it. I do know one thing for certain people seem very fond of going ott with anything done by a Tyrone player.
So you're basically saying in all cases where one player "mistimes" a shoulder and ends up shouldering a player in the head at full tilt, the player who "mistimes" it should get the benefit of the doubt. If that was the way the rule was applied you would have a lot of lads with sore heads very very quickly.
Quote from: Estimator on August 23, 2015, 09:25:13 PM
Red card for McNabb and Black card for McMahon for tripping Cooper.
But I've the chance to watch the clip a few times.
Did David Moran pull a man down by grabbing his foot after being dispossessed in the first half? If I saw that right should it also have been a black card?
McNabb could get a ban and, unlike with McCann, it would be justified. His timing was more off than Tony Fearon in September.
Quote from: gallsman on August 23, 2015, 09:12:23 PM
Quote from: beer baron on August 23, 2015, 09:09:56 PM
Still not certain that's a red.
Then there is no hope. That sort of thing has no place in the game. It was a piece of cowardly thuggery.
What makes it worse is that after the hit he deliberately tries to stick his knees into cooper as he lands. Somebody put up a link on facebook and you can see it in slowmotion.
Quote from: beer baron on August 23, 2015, 09:24:24 PM
Ah jaysus well if you lads are telling me it was a definite red and thuggery i better believe it and not wait until i can watch it properly on a tv rather than on a small laptop screen ::).
Looks like he came to catch him with a shoulder at full tilt and may have caught him on the head if that's the case i wouldn't give a red, i may be seeing that wrong at the minute, hence why i said i want to get a proper look at it. I do know one thing for certain people seem very fond of going ott with anything done by a Tyrone player.
I wonder for what possible reason that could be??!!
On another note Mark O`Se played in his 14 semi final today, outside of Kilkenny hurling that serious going
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2015, 09:31:00 PM
Did David Moran pull a man down by grabbing his foot after being dispossessed in the first half? If I saw that right should it also have been a black card?
McNabb could get a ban and, unlike with McCann, it would be justified. His timing was more off than Tony Fearon in September.
Yes, he did it twice (see my earlier post - I must be on "ignore"...)
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
On another note Mark O`Se played in his 14 semi final today, outside of Kilkenny hurling that serious going
And he was superb before being black carded. Great player
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Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2015, 08:42:01 PM
Moran was certainly not bossing midfield. He was swallowed up in possession a few times in the first half and won very little ball from kick outs as it wasn't that type of match.
I watch Moran closely because he's a colleague (different office) and paid particular attention today when I was four rows from the front on the 45 getting absolutely soaked . I fully agree with the point about being swallowed up in possession, and was disappointed to see him grab on to the ankle of the opponent who got the ball from him on not one but two of those occasions. I actually think he was a wee bit frustrated today, though absolutely everything was going through him in the first half. Definitely not his best day out.
But congrats to Kerry, they were not at their best and still won, though Tyrone helped them no end. We need a free taker.
Sorry missed this.
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Still not certain that's a red.
Then there is no hope. That sort of thing has no place in the game. It was a piece of cowardly thuggery.
Ah ffs, don't start the shite again, it was a late hit. It happens all the time at every grade in nearly every contact sport. McNabb was flying across because he thought Gooch was in on goal. His momentum carried him through Gooch. It wasn't nice but no need to start another witch hunt.
Stop it with your own bollocks. McNabb made no f**king attempt to play the ball whatsoever. If it hadn't been late, it still should have been red. That it was late just makes it even worse.
Who said anything about a witch hunt? I (and others here) are calling one specific incident, in one specific game. Lose that giant chip on your shoulder ffs.
You start by making a big deal of an incident that was no more than a heavy (yet admittedly late) collision. McNabb was committed to making a last ditch challenge and his momentum took him through to make the hit. Like I said, It didn't look good but "cowardly thuggery" it was not.
Tyrone threw it away and the lack of talent on the bench was exposed when compared with Kerry.
Looks like management can turn off the play acting when they want to do so.
Morgan - lost it mentally and fell to pieces should never have been brought up to take long range frees as he struggles to concentrate on one important job. Essentially lost the game on his own but poor captaining by Cavanagh led to him deteriorate even quicker by continuing to call him forward and recognising he was mentally shot.
McCarron - continued his good run of games
McNamee - did a good job until wrongly black carded mainly because it was the Gooch
McCrory - played well but can't score and should have passed or held the ball instead of losing a few vital scores.
McNabb - overall played well but cost two important frees, due to giving away necessary scores on two occasions
McMahon - managed Donaghy out of the game but was match winner Geaney his man?
Harte - carried the team as usual and great penalty
Cavanagh C - played well as sweeper and when he moved out the field
Donnelly - by passed at midfield by the short kick outs and less effective than previously as a marked man
McCann - found out by lack of football intelligence and his only skill being running with the ball if given to him
Bradley - could have won the game with a virtually open goal
Meyler - found out by this level of football
McCurry - missed too many scores
Cavanagh S - was he on the field? Poor as a captain, didn't support those who needed an experienced player to steady them.
Subs made no impact except McNulty who should have been given a penalty. Turns out that Colm O'Rourke was right about how referees would fail to give important decisions to Tyrone because of their reputation.
Quote from: JoG2 on August 23, 2015, 09:39:54 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
On another note Mark O`Se played in his 14 semi final today, outside of Kilkenny hurling that serious going
And he was superb before being black carded. Great player
Stat smells like BS - how many replays in AISF have Kerry been in? O'Se started in 2002 so he would have have to have more than last last year's replay because off the top of my head they lost to Down in the AIQF in 2010.
Bit iffy including replays as seperate AISFs anyways, but obviously a great career regardless.
Quote from: Disillusioned on August 23, 2015, 09:43:55 PM
Tyrone threw it away and the lack of talent on the bench was exposed when compared with Kerry.
Looks like management can turn off the play acting when they want to do so.
Morgan - lost it mentally and fell to pieces should never have been brought up to take long range frees as he struggles to concentrate on one important job. Essentially lost the game on his own but poor captaining by Cavanagh led to him deteriorate even quicker by continuing to call him forward and recognising he was mentally shot.
McCarron - continued his good run of games
McNamee - did a good job until wrongly black carded mainly because it was the Gooch
McCrory - played well but can't score and should have passed or held the ball instead of losing a few vital scores.
McNabb - overall played well but cost two important frees, due to giving away necessary scores on two occasions
McMahon - managed Donaghy out of the game but was match winner Geaney his man?
Harte - carried the team as usual and great penalty
Cavanagh C - played well as sweeper and when he moved out the field
Donnelly - by passed at midfield by the short kick outs and less effective than previously as a marked man
McCann - found out by lack of football intelligence and his only skill being running with the ball if given to him
Bradley - could have won the game with a virtually open goal
Meyler - found out by this level of football
McCurry - missed too many scores
Cavanagh S - was he on the field? Poor as a captain, didn't support those who needed an experienced player to steady them.
Subs made no impact except McNulty who should have been given a penalty. Turns out that Colm O'Rourke was right about how referees would fail to give important decisions to Tyrone because of their reputation.
No they didn't! IF we had done this, IF we had done that... There's ifs and buts in every game ever played. Kerry won whilst not playing that well
watching a rerun of the cooper hit on the sunday game there now, ball was well gone and you can see McNabb following through, no need for it, it wasn't he couldn't stop, which has been said here.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 09:51:47 PM
watching a rerun of the cooper hit on the sunday game there now, ball was well gone and you can see McNabb following through, no need for it, it wasn't he couldn't stop, which has been said here.
John McDermott was much earlier than that in 1996.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 09:51:47 PM
watching a rerun of the cooper hit on the sunday game there now, ball was well gone and you can see McNabb following through, no need for it, it wasn't he couldn't stop, which has been said here.
You sound very sure there, how do you know?
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 09:51:47 PM
watching a rerun of the cooper hit on the sunday game there now, ball was well gone and you can see McNabb following through, no need for it, it wasn't he couldn't stop, which has been said here.
You sound very sure there, how do you know?
Ah come off it. He carried on through to 'do' Cooper. It's as clear as day
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
On another note Mark O`Se played in his 14 semi final today, outside of Kilkenny hurling that serious going
Also I wasn't convinced his black card was warranted. Yes he pull ed nthe man down but I thought it was a consequence of his initial tackle on the ball I didn't think he deliberately tried to pull his man down. Cant blame the ref though more than half of Cp was baying for blood!!!!!!
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 23, 2015, 07:15:07 PM
Good game, hard luck to the Tyrone bucks, well done Kerry, have to say though James ODonoghue is a horrible little toad though, smirking little diver
At least he does not bite
Quote from: screenexile on August 23, 2015, 10:01:02 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
On another note Mark O`Se played in his 14 semi final today, outside of Kilkenny hurling that serious going
Also I wasn't convinced his black card was warranted. Yes he pull ed nthe man down but I thought it was a consequence of his initial tackle on the ball I didn't think he deliberately tried to pull his man down. Cant blame the ref though more than half of Cp was baying for blood!!!!!!
He rugby tackled him!!
Quote from: screenexile on August 23, 2015, 10:01:02 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
On another note Mark O`Se played in his 14 semi final today, outside of Kilkenny hurling that serious going
Also I wasn't convinced his black card was warranted. Yes he pull ed nthe man down but I thought it was a consequence of his initial tackle on the ball I didn't think he deliberately tried to pull his man down. Cant blame the ref though more than half of Cp was baying for blood!!!!!!
No it was totally deserved - keep an eye on how his 2nd hand catches the Tyrone player. Can have zero complaints.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 23, 2015, 10:04:13 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 23, 2015, 10:01:02 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
On another note Mark O`Se played in his 14 semi final today, outside of Kilkenny hurling that serious going
Also I wasn't convinced his black card was warranted. Yes he pull ed nthe man down but I thought it was a consequence of his initial tackle on the ball I didn't think he deliberately tried to pull his man down. Cant blame the ref though more than half of Cp was baying for blood!!!!!!
He rugby tackled him!!
Definite black
Was it Enright who took a runner out in the run up to the 1st tyrone goal chance? Should have been a black whoever it was
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2015, 09:06:14 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 23, 2015, 08:44:36 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 23, 2015, 08:37:54 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 08:32:27 PM
I dont know what you watching Moran dominated him and only went off for fresh legs, it was telling Tyrone came back into it when he went off
He didn't dominate him at all. Moran is one of Kerry's best players and his impact on the game was negligible, Donnelly was very involved for Tyrone all day long and certainly seemed to have much more of an impact including getting on the scoresheet. You say Moran stopped Donnelly, why wouldn't it be the other way round. Moran had an extremely quiet day by his standards today.
But Kerry won
I think this is the first fact you have got correct on this thread.
But it's the most salient
Quote from: screenexile on August 23, 2015, 10:01:02 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
On another note Mark O`Se played in his 14 semi final today, outside of Kilkenny hurling that serious going
Also I wasn't convinced his black card was warranted. Yes he pull ed nthe man down but I thought it was a consequence of his initial tackle on the ball I didn't think he deliberately tried to pull his man down. Cant blame the ref though more than half of Cp was baying for blood!!!!!!
Ah come on Screen, your taking the piss now. Even his brother said it was a black card.
Quote from: screenexile on August 23, 2015, 10:01:02 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
On another note Mark O`Se played in his 14 semi final today, outside of Kilkenny hurling that serious going
Also I wasn't convinced his black card was warranted. Yes he pull ed nthe man down but I thought it was a consequence of his initial tackle on the ball I didn't think he deliberately tried to pull his man down. Cant blame the ref though more than half of Cp was baying for blood!!!!!!
That was as certain a black card as you can see. He was beaten and went for the legs.
Why is that they are saying McNabb's is a red card but Darren O'Sullivan's on Bradley isn't?
Why hasn't Peter Crowley being brought to task like they did with Justy McMahon?
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 23, 2015, 10:11:20 PM
Was it Enright who took a runner out in the run up to the 1st tyrone goal chance? Should have been a black whoever it was
Yup that was one of two the ref got wrong - it was made worse by the black Tyrone had got just before it which should have been a yellow for the foul on Cooper.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2015, 10:13:01 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 23, 2015, 10:01:02 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
On another note Mark O`Se played in his 14 semi final today, outside of Kilkenny hurling that serious going
Also I wasn't convinced his black card was warranted. Yes he pull ed nthe man down but I thought it was a consequence of his initial tackle on the ball I didn't think he deliberately tried to pull his man down. Cant blame the ref though more than half of Cp was baying for blood!!!!!!
Ah come on Screen, your taking the piss now. Even his brother said it was a black card.
Yeah maybe I just find it hard to believe a player of that experience would do something so stupid. Was it deliberate?? Ah I'm not sure but a referee having one look at it well there's probably no come back. Not that it had any bearing on the game I guess.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 23, 2015, 10:17:30 PM
Why is that they are saying McNabb's is a red card but Darren O'Sullivan's on Bradley isn't?
Why hasn't Peter Crowley being brought to task like they did with Justy McMahon?
You've lost me there pal what are you on about?
Whatever about the colour of the card on the gooch foul what it does tell us is that the gooch is some tough lad. He got pummelled prior to that also. Class act. Nice to see jod's reaction to the sledging also.
Bradley was met with a shoulder to the head from Darran O'Sullivan near the end?
Crowley was trying to rile Cavanagh all game and took a dive and lay down in the first half underneath the Hill trying to get him dismissed. If it was Tyrone there would be no doubt it would have been discussed tonight.
Quote from: highorlow on August 23, 2015, 10:25:12 PM
Whatever about the colour of the card on the gooch foul what it does tell us is that the gooch is some tough lad. He got pummelled prior to that also. Class act. Nice to see jod's reaction to the sledging also.
Gooch once again contributed little against an Ulster side. Brolly nailed him on it a few years, when the going gets tough, the Gooch doesn't want to know about it.
Bomber, you're not wise!
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Quote from: beer baron on August 23, 2015, 09:09:56 PM
Still not certain that's a red.
Then there is no hope. That sort of thing has no place in the game. It was a piece of cowardly thuggery.
Mc Nabb plays for Dromore,being a cowardly sc**bag is natural in that club.
Quote from: twohands!!! on August 23, 2015, 10:17:55 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 23, 2015, 10:11:20 PM
Was it Enright who took a runner out in the run up to the 1st tyrone goal chance? Should have been a black whoever it was
Yup that was one of two the ref got wrong - it was made worse by the black Tyrone had got just before it which should have been a yellow for the foul on Cooper.
Not that incident (although that was a nailed on black), I'm talking about the first tyrone goal chance in the first half, a tyrone support runner was taken out on the right hand side off the ball, looked like Enright but couldn't be sure
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 23, 2015, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 23, 2015, 10:25:12 PM
Whatever about the colour of the card on the gooch foul what it does tell us is that the gooch is some tough lad. He got pummelled prior to that also. Class act. Nice to see jod's reaction to the sledging also.
Gooch once again contributed little against an Ulster side. Brolly nailed him on it a few years, when the going gets tough, the Gooch doesn't want to know about it.
At least you are consistent.
What do you want Cooper to do? Score 2-07 every match he plays?
He scored 2pts (1f). The free he scored was from a foul on himself, plus McNabb's foul on Gooch gave Kerry another point.
He set Geaney up with a couple as well.
So basically Cooper won the game for Kerry.
But please by all means keep on going with your one man campaign against Cooper.
Quote from: Estimator on August 23, 2015, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 23, 2015, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 23, 2015, 10:25:12 PM
Whatever about the colour of the card on the gooch foul what it does tell us is that the gooch is some tough lad. He got pummelled prior to that also. Class act. Nice to see jod's reaction to the sledging also.
Gooch once again contributed little against an Ulster side. Brolly nailed him on it a few years, when the going gets tough, the Gooch doesn't want to know about it.
At least you are consistent.
What do you want Cooper to do? Score 2-07 every match he plays?
He scored 2pts (1f). The free he scored was from a foul on himself, plus McNabb's foul on Gooch gave Kerry another point.
He set Geaney up with a couple as well.
So basically Cooper won the game for Kerry.
But please by all means keep on going with your one man campaign against Cooper.
I'd expect the guy who is regularly talked about as one of the all time greats to deliver a performance fitting of one against an Ulster side, I've yet to see it.
The free he scored was from a dive by O'Donogue given against McCarron at the start of the second half.
Young Bradley is a lovely footballer. Should have a big future.
Quote from: hardstation on August 23, 2015, 10:50:07 PM
Morgan had a stinker today. Why do they still give him the frees? He's hopeless at them. Arguably he cost them the game.
He celebrated hitting an early one over like he'd won the match. Needs to keep his emotions in check
McNAbb tackle not quite as bad as tadgh Kennelly premeditated attack on Nicholas Murphy!
The one Morgan scored was the most difficult of the lot as well.
Quote from: The Trap on August 23, 2015, 10:53:49 PM
McNAbb tackle not quite as bad as tadgh Kennelly premeditated attack on Nicholas Murphy!
Worse than Ginger mcShorty's hit on Shéamus Gorm McTeak though.
Quote from: muppet on August 23, 2015, 10:47:12 PM
Young Bradley is a lovely footballer. Should have a big future.
Agree totally. IMO I think he is the best forward in Tyrone football by far. It is obvious that in time he will become an all time Tyrone great. Super movement, appreciation of space and able to pass and take a score.
Only 21 and should be first man on team sheet in 2016. Should take all free kicks on his side also. People continually say 'ah sure he only takes frees' when referring to certain players but if we had a free kicker today we would have won. If we have to carry a free taker who is reliable then we must do it !!!
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 23, 2015, 10:54:27 PM
The one Morgan scored was the most difficult of the lot as well.
He's much better from the angled ones on the left than he is from the central ones.
Along with McCurry his frees were very off today and probably cost us the game. McCurry was actually very good from general play which is a shame.
Quote from: hardstation on August 23, 2015, 10:50:07 PM
Morgan had a stinker today. Why do they still give him the frees?
Complete mystery :o He's been missing them all season too. Was also a big factor in Tyrone getting relegated. Though we haven't had a proper free taker since Canavan. :(
Anyway Mickey O'Neill is a better keeper than Morgan and should be no.1 next season.
Quote from: hardstation on August 23, 2015, 10:58:56 PM
His kick outs were brutal too.
Jimmy McGuinness called them a horror show. Makes you appreciate how good Cluxton is as he has been so relentlessly consistent for the vast majority of his long career. It's not easy hitting quick, directed kick outs accurately, time after time after time. You are really dependent on the outfield players getting free. If that doesn't happen it's hard not to panic as you only really have a few seconds to make the decision as to where it goes. Morgan panicked and his kicking went to pot. He clearly was told not to belt it down the middle either, (though we actually did ok with any ball that went high into midfield)..... Talk of hammering the hammer earlier in the week, we hammered our own hammer by turning what should have been one of our major strengths into one of our biggest weaknesses.
When I saw Morgan celebrating his first point I feared the worst.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 23, 2015, 10:27:02 PM
Bradley was met with a shoulder to the head from Darran O'Sullivan near the end?
Crowley was trying to rile Cavanagh all game and took a dive and lay down in the first half underneath the Hill trying to get him dismissed. If it was Tyrone there would be no doubt it would have been discussed tonight.
Darren O'Sullivan is only about 5'7", the only one he can shoulder to the head is Danny De Vito.
Bradley is 4'8''
Quote from: The Trap on August 23, 2015, 10:53:49 PM
McNAbb tackle not quite as bad as tadgh Kennelly premeditated attack on Nicholas Murphy!
It wasn't as bad as Ciaran Whelan decking Nigel Crawford before the throw in either, so let's just not call him on it? Seems reasonable.
Kerry the better team but Tyrone could have should have! 4 goal chances from open play. Kerry never got a sniff of goal. Donaghy marked out if it, cooper marked out of it but up steps Buckley and Geaney.
Where was Sean Cavanagh? Was expecting a big game from him. Colm out scored him!! Thought he made poor decisions and unlike the Monaghan match his work rate was poor. Should have popped the ball over the bar to leave a kick between the teams but chose to jump into two defenders and lost the ball. At the final whistle he ran down the tunnel and did not stay with teammates as captain.
Morgan was shocking. Thought the wonder point was the start of the Morgan freekick revival especially with the estatic jumping around back to goal. Thought that would have steadied him.
Mattie Donnelly was silent. Not his running self at all.
Bradley was excellent. A real talent coming through.
Although McCurry missed frees he had a decent game. Don't think he was te man for the long range kicks.
Thought tyrone gave Kerry too much pocession from their kick out.
Kerry never really kicked on. Will they improve?
Never a second pen and first one I have to see again.
Overall great game!! Enjoyed it.
In fairness most decent keepers don't make as many big mistakes as Morgan did today in a season, forget about Cluxton. The back-up looked quaility this year, if Morgan can't hit the frees with very high consistency in that context I don't see how he should be starting.
Sin e
Well done Kerry.
Tyrone left that game behind them with poor decisions, poor free taking and some very wayward shooting.
Rebuilding process coming along nicely though.
Quote from: Disillusioned on August 23, 2015, 09:43:55 PM
Tyrone threw it away and the lack of talent on the bench was exposed when compared with Kerry.
Looks like management can turn off the play acting when they want to do so.
Morgan - lost it mentally and fell to pieces should never have been brought up to take long range frees as he struggles to concentrate on one important job. Essentially lost the game on his own but poor captaining by Cavanagh led to him deteriorate even quicker by continuing to call him forward and recognising he was mentally shot.
McCarron - continued his good run of games
McNamee - did a good job until wrongly black carded mainly because it was the Gooch
McCrory - played well but can't score and should have passed or held the ball instead of losing a few vital scores.
McNabb - overall played well but cost two important frees, due to giving away necessary scores on two occasions
McMahon - managed Donaghy out of the game but was match winner Geaney his man?
Harte - carried the team as usual and great penalty
Cavanagh C - played well as sweeper and when he moved out the field
Donnelly - by passed at midfield by the short kick outs and less effective than previously as a marked man
McCann - found out by lack of football intelligence and his only skill being running with the ball if given to him
Bradley - could have won the game with a virtually open goal
Meyler - found out by this level of football
McCurry - missed too many scores
Cavanagh S - was he on the field? Poor as a captain, didn't support those who needed an experienced player to steady them.
Subs made no impact except McNulty who should have been given a penalty. Turns out that Colm O'Rourke was right about how referees would fail to give important decisions to Tyrone because of their reputation.
Think Justy switched onto Cooper once McNamee was black carded. Clarke took up Geaney then and was given the runaround, McNamee's black card was a big turning point for me. I know he's had a bad injury but Clarke really seems to have regressed and looks like a lad who has spent far too much time in the gym, way too top heavy and seems to have lost any pace he had.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 23, 2015, 07:35:18 PM
I'm talking about the one after he punched the ball wide. That was a red.
The one that got the black card was a yellow by rights.
Ah right, yeah seemed late and high - no problem with a red there.
Previous one again maybe a yellow - but what about a yellow for Cooper too?
Clearly got caught across the chest and went down holding his face.
Quote from: Rois on August 23, 2015, 09:00:27 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 23, 2015, 08:42:01 PM
Moran was certainly not bossing midfield. He was swallowed up in possession a few times in the first half and won very little ball from kick outs as it wasn't that type of match.
I watch Moran closely because he's a colleague (different office) and paid particular attention today when I was four rows from the front on the 45 getting absolutely soaked . I fully agree with the point about being swallowed up in possession, and was disappointed to see him grab on to the ankle of the opponent who got the ball from him on not one but two of those occasions. I actually think he was a wee bit frustrated today, though absolutely everything was going through him in the first half. Definitely not his best day out.
But congrats to Kerry, they were not at their best and still won, though Tyrone helped them no end. We need a free taker.
I saw that grab - a hand trip is a black card and it was pretty obvious
Quote from: screenexile on August 23, 2015, 10:01:02 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 23, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
On another note Mark O`Se played in his 14 semi final today, outside of Kilkenny hurling that serious going
Also I wasn't convinced his black card was warranted. Yes he pull ed nthe man down but I thought it was a consequence of his initial tackle on the ball I didn't think he deliberately tried to pull his man down. Cant blame the ref though more than half of Cp was baying for blood!!!!!!
You and O'Rourke must be the only 2 men in Irelans questioning a black card there! Great company to be in!
Tyrone played very well. They were also tough but fair, for the most part, and that's not a twisted statement on my behalf. MOST teams are tough but fair for the MOST part. There was nothing exceptionally cynical about Tyrone today. They weren't the better team, but could still have won the game. They did their county proud.
Quote from: screenexile on August 23, 2015, 10:21:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 23, 2015, 10:17:30 PM
Why is that they are saying McNabb's is a red card but Darren O'Sullivan's on Bradley isn't?
Why hasn't Peter Crowley being brought to task like they did with Justy McMahon?
You've lost me there pal what are you on about?
Ah it's just Tyrone being the victim
Ah lads desperately disappointed, thats our last 3 semis lost. I thought we had the winning of that match but fair play to Kerry, they where the better team and won fair and square.
First of, the kickouts.... Although Morgan had a howler, it wasnt entirely his fault. In the first half things were going great Kerry were pushed up but just werent clued in enough and he got away with the short kickouts. HT they obviously got a rollicking about it and they got their act together, men were covered, runner were covered so there was no one to hit to. So... hit it long and see how our midfield fares, we did ok on their kickouts, but he was obiviously told not to. Another problems is that as a goalie he may not be experienced enuff when his kickouts are under pressure, he plays outfield for Edendork so he may not have encountered that problem so often.
Goals Goals Goals... we should have had a bagful, McAliskey backed himself in the HF but he knew McCurry was there, he seen him. He had a split second to make the decision tho but he should have given it. Bradley shot was a good save but should have been a grass trimmer. Shud have had another penalty...blah blah shuda wuda cuda. we didnt hit them and I honestly thought that goals were not a problem coming into this match, our lack of them was just down to how things were working out, but we obviously do, we need composed finishers.
Frees: Morgan to date has not been good this year and this game was not the time to be testing his form. I know Mickey is all into placing faith in the players and all that, which will be repayed eventually but after miss no.2 shud he have got the stage hook. McCurry had an off day to wether it was the rain or what I dunno, shudda played them short. His free after the goal wud really have kicked us on, we needed that to continue the momentum.
Lack of scoring prowess: McCurry and Bradley and to a lesser extent McAliskey were our only two men with any composure in front of goal. We need more forwards who can score, what about Ronan O'Neill is unfit or what? His talent is unreal. How many feckin times did McCrory end up on the end of a move? How in the hell did that happen? Can McCann do anything but run (no smart answers!) he's like Forest bleedin gump, which is fine and well but he needs to use his brain a bit more if he can't shoot.
Big players not performing: McCurry and Harte were good but not at their best, Sean quiet, Mattie quiet. But then Kerry's big names were quiet too.
Lack of a bench: Kerry's was better, end of. McNulty was the only notable performer, he played well when he came on, would have been interesting to see how he performed in a full aerial battle with Kerry. can't understand why he was given so much time in the league and little in the championship when we would inevitably come up against big midfielders if we got a run going. But he's well blooded now so hopefully we will see more of him next year
Ref: Not a major factor in the outcome but seriously frustrating none the less. McNamee got a black card for trying to attempting to dispossess the Gooch and Geaney really came into it after that, Crowley's yellow, Kerry handy frees, 2nd penalty blah blah.... NcNamee's was the most annoying actually.
On the up side I thought the defence performed admirably and I think it is fair to say that we now have a rearguard that is mean, efficient and works very well together, there is definite bite back there, nice to have goin forward. They kept Kerry's danger men to a minimal influence however Geaney had a huge impact on the game as did Buckley in the first half. I think we got a real team here to work with going forward, great feeling of team spirit we just need to get some more composed forwards..... 03+05=08, 03+05+08=16???? Maybe but sure all thats a load o balls
Overall it was a good match, tho neither team are a patch on the naughties sides. Kerry deserved the win but they have work to do for the final, those goal chances will be converted by the Dubs or Mayo.
Feckin comments on here wud do your head in, there was some big hits went in some legal some not, some deliberate, some not...... from both sides.
On the other hand there was some playacting, diving, and "cynical play" and it was only one side at it. I don't give a shite about it, Kerry where the better team and that's it.
But the posters on here.... one week are complaining about Tyrone diving and playacting and how you yearn for the days when men were manly and put in big hits.
Then the next week you are complaining about Tyrone putting in big hits, ignoring the other teams hits and their "cynical play" and playacting.
So what's worse lads, big hits? or cynical play and playacting? Or do yis just hate Tyrone no matter what they do?
Childish hypocrisy not even worth entertaining, grow up wud yis.
For what its worth today was much better than 2 weeks ago, Ciaran Hughes and Paul Finlay had zero intention of playing any football 2 weeks ago, whereas today everyone was fully committed to playing football
Sean Cavanagh: All we want is fair play
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/sean-cavanagh-all-we-want-is-fair-play-31472440.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/sean-cavanagh-all-we-want-is-fair-play-31472440.html)
;D ;D
Even if it's articulate drivel it's still drivel.
Lol - I wonder who that is aimed at.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 24, 2015, 08:33:07 AM
Sean Cavanagh: All we want is fair play
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/sean-cavanagh-all-we-want-is-fair-play-31472440.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/sean-cavanagh-all-we-want-is-fair-play-31472440.html)
;D ;D
Sour grapes!
Hard luck to Tyrone. Nothing worse than losing a game you could have won.
From a neutral's perspective I thought the ref did fine. You'll never get every decision right, but given you have to call it as you see it within a split second, I thought every decision he made was understandable. With one exception - McNamee's foul was clearly not a black card offence.
Did that cost them the game? It might have been significant, but they have to look at themselves - the missed goals chances from McAlliskey and Bradley, the very poor performance from Morgan and the lack of impact made by SeanC.
Thought both managers did very well.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 24, 2015, 06:47:59 AM
Feckin comments on here wud do your head in, there was some big hits went in some legal some not, some deliberate, some not...... from both sides.
On the other hand there was some playacting, diving, and "cynical play" and it was only one side at it. I don't give a shite about it, Kerry where the better team and that's it.
But the posters on here.... one week are complaining about Tyrone diving and playacting and how you yearn for the days when men were manly and put in big hits.
Then the next week you are complaining about Tyrone putting in big hits, ignoring the other teams hits and their "cynical play" and playacting.
So what's worse lads, big hits? or cynical play and playacting? Or do yis just hate Tyrone no matter what they do?
Childish hypocrisy not even worth entertaining, grow up wud yis.
For what its worth today was much better than 2 weeks ago, Ciaran Hughes and Paul Finlay had zero intention of playing any football 2 weeks ago, whereas today everyone was fully committed to playing football
Fcuk me that's hilarious ^^^^^
haven't got reading all the comments and don't know if it's been highlighted but,
I think the Tyrone full back line were immense, especially in the first half. Thought it was a superb game of football. Was surprised that there is even a discussion about whether McNulty should have got a penalty, thought it was as clear cut as your going to see. Buckley was superb. After Morgan went jumping and punching the air from kicking the first free - a fantastic effort - it all went very much downhill for him, nightmare game.
All in all though.. great game of football, disappointed with the result but pleased with the performance going forward.
Quote from: Hound on August 24, 2015, 08:47:35 AM
Hard luck to Tyrone. Nothing worse than losing a game you could have won.
From a neutral's perspective I thought the ref did fine. You'll never get every decision right, but given you have to call it as you see it within a split second, I thought every decision he made was understandable. With one exception - McNamee's foul was clearly not a black card offence.
Did that cost them the game? It might have been significant, but they have to look at themselves - the missed goals chances from McAlliskey and Bradley, the very poor performance from Morgan and the lack of impact made by SeanC.
Thought both managers did very well.
I actually could see why he gave mcnamee a black card but I couldn't see why he didn't give Enright a black card. That was really blatant. He's a very good defender too and it would have made a difference had he went off.
QuoteGAA Black card offences are:
1 To deliberately pull down an opponent
2 To deliberately trip an opponent with hand, arm or foot
3 To deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play
4 To use abusive or provocative language or gestures to players
5 To remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a match official.
Would MacNamee's foul fall into 3 above?
No. That #3 is related to taking a man's run out. Your rarely see that anymore. It's aimed at the fella that deliberately takes the man after he has passed the ball, so that he can't run for a return pass, or for deliberately taking a man out who is running to support the play.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2015, 09:16:03 AM
No. That #3 is related to taking a man's run out. Your rarely see that anymore. It's aimed at the fella that deliberately takes the man after he has passed the ball, so that he can't run for a return pass, or for deliberately taking a man out who is running to support the play.
Yeah it's not a 3rd man tackle if the man you're tackling has the ball in his hands.
I thought the ref had a good game and I could understand all (except 1) of the decisions he made (that doesn't mean he got them all 100% right, but I could see the logic in them when he only had one angle and a split second to make the decision).
The one I don't understand is the mcnamee black card for tyrone. It was a tough tackle, definite foul and probable yellow card to me, so I couldn't understand what the black card was for.
However, I was thinking afterwards, some of the tyrone players seemed to strongly protest to the referee after that incident and I'm wondering if the ref give the black card for either the 4th or 5th type of black card offence
i.e. 4 To use abusive or provocative language or gestures to players
5 To remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a match official.
Obviously, I have no idea what was going through the ref's head, and I wasn't at the game (watched on tv) so I'm not even sure if mcnamee did say anything to the ref. But I was wondering what some of the people here who were at the game thought?
Is it possible the black card wasn't for the tackle, but was for protesting instead?
I'd love for the ref to come out and explain decisions like this - never gonna happen, but if the ref explained his thought process at the time there would be much less criticism of him I think.
The other thing I should say is that I'm looking at this incident in isolation. There have been many incidents throughout the year (and probably yesterday) whereby a player(s) remonstrated agressively and no black card was produced!
Actually, another question for the board is has anyone in any senior championship match ever been blacked carded for offences 4 or 5 above?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 24, 2015, 08:33:07 AM
Sean Cavanagh: All we want is fair play
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/sean-cavanagh-all-we-want-is-fair-play-31472440.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/sean-cavanagh-all-we-want-is-fair-play-31472440.html)
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Needs to look in the mirror first.
QuoteSin e
Well done Kerry.
Tyrone left that game behind them with poor decisions, poor free taking and some very wayward shooting.
Rebuilding process coming along nicely though.
You might as well add "poor discipline". MacNabb gave away an easy free for his miss timed challenge on gooch and he also danced with the ball in the 1st half which resulted in a free getting brought in 30 yards which JOD popped over.
RTEs agenda paid off handsomely yesterday. Deegan played a key role in deciding the outcome and his performance ensured the correct result. Said before the game that Tyrone would not be let win that game unless they were so far ahead that it didnt matter. It became obvious in the 10 minutes before half time. The old Order is well and truly restored.
Tyrone and Kerry played a damn good match of football, probably the best will be seen this year intensity and defensive skills were to the fore and it didnt make it any less appealing.
The black card needs to go. O Ses hand trip should have been a simple yellow card offence, as was Mc Namees tackle on a flailing Gooch. I felt Mc Nabb could have seen harsher sanction for his late tackle but the game was already decided. Enright was a typical black card offence and the referee chose to use his discretion. In that case, make all those tackles yellow. The attitude to Ulster football is back to the 80s and 90s. They have to be damn special to get a decision in Croke Park. When ye dont get fair play ye can't play fair and expect to win. Tyrone need to remedy their formula.
Tyrone bench was not at the level and we knew that beforehand. Hampsey, Mc Geary, Brennans, Cassidy etc all would have helped our options yesterday. Im not sure about Mickey O Neills fitness yesterday but he must be sick. Dont want to criticise some great servants and some great young lads but they had their chance yesterday. Still could have won that game ins spite of the real dark arts in our games...
A great way for Harte to bow out out if that proves to be the end. What a man and what a contribution to Tyrone football and the game!! An interesting cryptic indication that he may want to stay on - and he had his team up to a top level yesterday, and obviously there needs to be a debate before any appointments takes place, for the good of Tyrone football, for the good of blending these talented under 21s (Hampsey, Mc Geary, Cassidy and the Brennans) and for the good of Mickey Harte. This has take place at other levels of Tyrone football and is a necessary way to review and manage progress. With Hampsey, Mc Geary, Brennans on board, I believe we can win the all Ireland next year.
The Tyrone support was fantastic yesterday - great to see it. As was the Kerry support - a great rivalry endures.
For those knocking Donaghy yesterday I see him as a top player for Kerry and he is as capable of bagging a goal or two the next day. Well marked by good players. Gooch is still a long way away from capturing the form he had before the injury. Walsh is a class act.
Finally congratulations to Kerry and the best of luck in the final. If yes dont mind would love to see Mayo breaking their famine this year but can't see past you, as you have the know how.
John Bannon didn't think much of Deegan's refereeing
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/john-bannon-maurice-deegan-display-erratic-349833.html
The better team won on the day. Tyrone had their chances and didn't take them and they'll have to live with that.
On Deegan I thought he was poor enough yesterday. I can understand a referee missing one or two things but he missed a good bit more than that. It's the second time in three years Tyrone haven't had the rub of the green from him because he did them no favours in 2013 either.
I didn't see it on the Sunday Game but did they show Deegan's 2nd penalty call to be correct? Just off the phone with someone at the match yesterday and he swears blind it wasn't a penalty. Them's the breaks.
Tyrone shouldn't be too despondent their team is competing at the top level again and look like they are going to be around for a couple of years yet. Kerry are a force of nature and as pointed out before the match they have the better players and if 2 teams play the defensive system well generally the team with the better players comes out on top.
It's knocked Kerry down a peg or 2 in my estimation though I really thought they would power through that match yesterday. Whoever comes through from this weekend will be favourites in my book. This weekend promises to be the game of the Championship I hope it lives up to it!
A lot of the focus here, naturally enough given the demographic, on Tyrone. Just on Kerry, I was impressed with their calmness when attacks were stymied or held up. They didn't panic, passed the ball around, probing, and kept their movement up front. Then they'd inject another bit of pace and make an incision. It was impressive to watch, even if it was very pedestrian at times. They got at least 3 or 4 scores that way, which is telling because that was breaking down Tyrone when Tyrone were set and at their best.
I think the way in which Kerry can alter their game is probably the most impressive thing about them. I think they will struggle against the pace and power of either Dublin or Mayo in the final, but I think when they have the ball they will find a way to get scores.
But whether they win or lose the final, Kerry have done the whole rebuilding thing, and are back in an All Ireland final having won the previous one. It would sicken your hole :)
Tommy Carr
QuoteKerry could have lost the game only for the scores they got at the end.
He gets paid for that.
Quote from: bcarrier on August 24, 2015, 09:52:26 AM
Tommy Carr
QuoteKerry could have lost the game only for the scores they got at the end.
He gets paid for that.
I agree with Tom Tom 100% on this, without those scores they could have been a goner
Quote from: rrhf on August 24, 2015, 09:43:33 AM
RTEs agenda paid off handsomely yesterday. Deegan played a key role in deciding the outcome and his performance ensured the correct result. Said before the game that Tyrone would not be let win that game unless they were so far ahead that it didnt matter. It became obvious in the 10 minutes before half time. The old Order is well and truly restored.
Tyrone and Kerry played a damn good match of football, probably the best will be seen this year intensity and defensive skills were to the fore and it didnt make it any less appealing.
The black card needs to go. O Ses hand trip should have been a simple yellow card offence, as was Mc Namees tackle on a flailing Gooch. I felt Mc Nabb could have seen harsher sanction for his late tackle but the game was already decided. Enright was a typical black card offence and the referee chose to use his discretion. In that case, make all those tackles yellow. The attitude to Ulster football is back to the 80s and 90s. They have to be damn special to get a decision in Croke Park. When ye dont get fair play ye can't play fair and expect to win. Tyrone need to remedy their formula.
Tyrone bench was not at the level and we knew that beforehand. Hampsey, Mc Geary, Brennans, Cassidy etc all would have helped our options yesterday. Im not sure about Mickey O Neills fitness yesterday but he must be sick. Dont want to criticise some great servants and some great young lads but they had their chance yesterday. Still could have won that game ins spite of the real dark arts in our games...
A great way for Harte to bow out out if that proves to be the end. What a man and what a contribution to Tyrone football and the game!! An interesting cryptic indication that he may want to stay on - and he had his team up to a top level yesterday, and obviously there needs to be a debate before any appointments takes place, for the good of Tyrone football, for the good of blending these talented under 21s (Hampsey, Mc Geary, Cassidy and the Brennans) and for the good of Mickey Harte. This has take place at other levels of Tyrone football and is a necessary way to review and manage progress. With Hampsey, Mc Geary, Brennans on board, I believe we can win the all Ireland next year.
The Tyrone support was fantastic yesterday - great to see it. As was the Kerry support - a great rivalry endures.
For those knocking Donaghy yesterday I see him as a top player for Kerry and he is as capable of bagging a goal or two the next day. Well marked by good players. Gooch is still a long way away from capturing the form he had before the injury. Walsh is a class act.
Finally congratulations to Kerry and the best of luck in the final. If yes dont mind would love to see Mayo breaking their famine this year but can't see past you, as you have the know how.
Ah yes the agenda is back . Us against the world
Quote from: INDIANA on August 24, 2015, 09:57:31 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 24, 2015, 09:43:33 AM
RTEs agenda paid off handsomely yesterday. Deegan played a key role in deciding the outcome and his performance ensured the correct result. Said before the game that Tyrone would not be let win that game unless they were so far ahead that it didnt matter. It became obvious in the 10 minutes before half time. The old Order is well and truly restored.
Tyrone and Kerry played a damn good match of football, probably the best will be seen this year intensity and defensive skills were to the fore and it didnt make it any less appealing.
The black card needs to go. O Ses hand trip should have been a simple yellow card offence, as was Mc Namees tackle on a flailing Gooch. I felt Mc Nabb could have seen harsher sanction for his late tackle but the game was already decided. Enright was a typical black card offence and the referee chose to use his discretion. In that case, make all those tackles yellow. The attitude to Ulster football is back to the 80s and 90s. They have to be damn special to get a decision in Croke Park. When ye dont get fair play ye can't play fair and expect to win. Tyrone need to remedy their formula.
Tyrone bench was not at the level and we knew that beforehand. Hampsey, Mc Geary, Brennans, Cassidy etc all would have helped our options yesterday. Im not sure about Mickey O Neills fitness yesterday but he must be sick. Dont want to criticise some great servants and some great young lads but they had their chance yesterday. Still could have won that game ins spite of the real dark arts in our games...
A great way for Harte to bow out out if that proves to be the end. What a man and what a contribution to Tyrone football and the game!! An interesting cryptic indication that he may want to stay on - and he had his team up to a top level yesterday, and obviously there needs to be a debate before any appointments takes place, for the good of Tyrone football, for the good of blending these talented under 21s (Hampsey, Mc Geary, Cassidy and the Brennans) and for the good of Mickey Harte. This has take place at other levels of Tyrone football and is a necessary way to review and manage progress. With Hampsey, Mc Geary, Brennans on board, I believe we can win the all Ireland next year.
The Tyrone support was fantastic yesterday - great to see it. As was the Kerry support - a great rivalry endures.
For those knocking Donaghy yesterday I see him as a top player for Kerry and he is as capable of bagging a goal or two the next day. Well marked by good players. Gooch is still a long way away from capturing the form he had before the injury. Walsh is a class act.
Finally congratulations to Kerry and the best of luck in the final. If yes dont mind would love to see Mayo breaking their famine this year but can't see past you, as you have the know how.
Ah yes the agenda is back . Us against the world
Us 0 - 1 The World.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 24, 2015, 08:33:07 AM
Sean Cavanagh: All we want is fair play
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/sean-cavanagh-all-we-want-is-fair-play-31472440.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/sean-cavanagh-all-we-want-is-fair-play-31472440.html)
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pulling o mahoneys jersey too.
You could nearly do away with the black card again, all it has done is create confusion for refs, players, managers & supporters.
There were a few yellows that should have been blacks and a few blacks that should have been yellows (McNamees' the most blatant of the latter IMO)
Referees are judged on the big decisions, he got at least three wrong. McNamme black, Enright yellow, and O'Sullivan & Moran not getting blacks. Second penalty shout was also close. Thought also Kerry's placed balls in the first half were wrong. The 45 was not one (it was the umpire who gave this, but this falls back on the ref, as it is him who appoints the umpires). The JOD free in first half can from a turnover where the Tyrone man was being fouled. The ref can't get all these calls correct but got a good few wrong which to me meant he had a poor game. The likes of Maher was very lucky that his constant fouling wasn't punished either.
It was not the reason Tyrone lost though, Kerry were more clinical with their chances. If Tyrone even scored some of their missed frees they would have win, never mind the goal chances. I thought Tyrone were the better team in general play but when you don't take your chances you can't complain.
I also thought Harte got the better of Fitzmaurice. The gamble of starting Donahey could have cost them. They didn't create one goal chance which must be a worry. If Geaney had of started it makes Kerry's attacking options on the bench a lot more limited.
On the cynically play, this occurred when preventing a goal chance or when protecting a lead. A few cynical tackles stopped Tyrone from getting more goal chances. It is hard to know if Tyrone would have finished them anyhow. With Kerry not creating any goal chances Tyrone didn't need to be cynical
As a neutral I really enjoyed yesterdays game. As I suspected Kerry just had too much quality up front and to my mind were the better team. Unfortunately the performance of Maurice Deegan left a lot of what if's. Aside from the inconsistent use of cards there were a couple of soft frees to Kerry, a 45 that wasn't and a clear penalty where the Tyrone player was carded for feigning. That said Kerry found getting scores easier. But it is beyond the time for a video ref at important Championship games.
I wouldn't be so sure on the penalty. Even after seeing it several times now, I'm still not sure it was a foul. That said, it's a big call to accuse the lad of diving. Maybe the correct call was just play on, and eventually it would be a free out for overcarrying.
As for the others, I thought Marc O'Se's black was on the money, I thought the Tyrone black was wrong, the Enright yellow should have been a black. I thought the Tyrone #5 should have got the line for the late hit on Gooch, and I thought Killian Young was very lucky not to get a black card on the first goal chance Tyrone had when Marc O'Se made the great block.
Quotea 45 that wasn't
I looked at that again and paused it. It looks like the backs hand is the last to hit.
I thought Kerry's free for their 5th point was very soft (Moran was off balance rather than getting pulled back and to make things worse it was brought forward too far by Deegan). Sean Kavanagh should / could have got a free from a high ball where I thought he was fouled. I don't think it was mentioned yet that the ref also went over the 2 mins time in the 1st half and Kerry, star, got a point in this period.
In saying that, Tyrone butchered about 1-3 in the first half through their own poor decisions, if Tyrone had an attacking full back that could score then they may have gotten a draw. I also thought they never tested Kerry with some high balls into Kavanagh, there was time and opportunity to do that but they only did it once in the whole game.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2015, 10:18:58 AM
I wouldn't be so sure on the penalty. Even after seeing it several times now, I'm still not sure it was a foul. That said, it's a big call to accuse the lad of diving. Maybe the correct call was just play on, and eventually it would be a free out for overcarrying.
As for the others, I thought Marc O'Se's black was on the money, I thought the Tyrone black was wrong, the Enright yellow should have been a black. I thought the Tyrone #5 should have got the line for the late hit on Gooch, and I thought Killian Young was very lucky not to get a black card on the first goal chance Tyrone had when Marc O'Se made the great block.
The lad certainly didnt dive, his momentum meant that when the foul occurred he was trying to stay on his feet and grabbing a jersey can equally be seen as an attempt to stay up. It said more about Deegan's state of mind that he booked the lad for a clear foul.
QuoteIt said more about Deegan's state of mind
It's a state of mind for all ref's when it comes to Kerry. Whichever of Dublin or Mayo eventually beat them it will have to be by 5 or 6 as the ref's for any Kerry match are worth 3 to 4 points per game. The Cork lads will back that up.
Reading the comments here , ive come to the conclusion tyrone have surpassed Mayo as the most delusional fans on the country.
tyrone were well beaten by four points yeaterday.
any time they got close to kerry, kerry went up and got 2 or 3 points and never looked in real trouble save for a minute when tytone go an unwarrented penalty,
They got some bad decision they got some good one same as any team in any other match evet
they general consensus before the game is tyrone would make as match of it but kerry would have too much firepower for them in the end esp off the bench.
Mucnch it and runch it any way you want but thats exactly what happened
which is exactly what happened
Quote from: rrhf on August 24, 2015, 09:43:33 AM
RTEs agenda paid off handsomely yesterday. Deegan played a key role in deciding the outcome and his performance ensured the correct result. Said before the game that Tyrone would not be let win that game unless they were so far ahead that it didnt matter. It became obvious in the 10 minutes before half time. The old Order is well and truly restored.
The victim brigade are out in force again. Deegan issued a black card to Kerry's most experienced defender (who was playing well) 15mins in. Deegan awarded a Tyrone a penalty to bring them back into the game. He changed tack on the swarm tackle when the Tyrone player was in possession, he'd previously blew two frees for over carrying against the Kerry player, when it happened the other way round he give the free to the Tyrone player being tackled. Deegan didn't send McNabb off for his late hit, or issue McMahon with a black card for a trip on Cooper.
Deegan got decisions wrong for both teams.
Deegan didn't take any frees for Tyrone, he didn't take any of the kick outs, he didn't fluff 4 decent goalscoring opportunities, he didn't get McCrory on the end of two good moves that should have resulted in scores.
But blaming Deegan nicely deflects from Tyrones performance. It also fits the narrative nicely for you boys about the big bad southerners not letting Tyrone win.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 24, 2015, 10:35:26 AM
Reading the comments here , ive come to the conclusion tyrone have surpassed Mayo as the most delusional fans on the country.
tyrone were well beaten by four points yeaterday.
any time they got close to kerry, kerry went up and got 2 or 3 points and never looked in real trouble save for a minute when tytone go an unwarrented penalty,
They got some bad decision they got some good one same as any team in any other match evet
they general consensus before the game is tyrone would make as match of it but kerry would have too much firepower for them in the end esp off the bench.
Mucnch it and runch it any way you want but thats exactly what happened
which is exactly what happened
That's exactly how I saw the game . Tyrone were hanging on for dear life and after 55 mins had been declared clinically dead until the penalty
They should employ Stephen O Neill as a forwards coach or make the forward line watch videos of him scoring goals - entitled " we don't have forwards who can do this anymore "
To win Tyrone needed big games from Donnelly , Harte and Cavanagh . It didn't happen.
Both teams half backines had a nightmare . Thought Mc Curry and Donnelly played well along with the Tyrone full back line . But they had far too many basic errors to win a game like that .
There was also an incident right under the Hogan at the Hill end in the first half where there was a loose ball McCrory was going down on and Walsh came in and kicked the ball when he was going down on it, right in front of Deegan who waved play on.
Then there was a free given to O'Donoghue right at the start of the second half for which he took a dive when McCarron didn't touch him.
Saying Kerry were clearly the better team is like the opinion of someone who didn't watch the game.
If Tyrone's free takers were on their game, we win that match.
If Tyrone take their goal chances, we win that match.
If Deegan does his job, we win that match.
If Morgan doesn't have a meltdown, we win that match.
I have no complaints about the result, we have ourselves to blame for that but the idea that Kerry were superior to us on the day is nonsense. We threw it away.
Indy, do you now accept though, that a team running right up the gut of Kerry will frighten the bejaysus out of them?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 10:42:51 AM
There was also an incident right under the Hogan at the Hill end in the first half where there was a loose ball McCrory was going down on and Walsh came in and kicked the ball when he was going down on it, right in front of Deegan who waved play on.
Then there was a free given to O'Donoghue right at the start of the second half for which he took a dive when McCarron didn't touch him.
Saying Kerry were clearly the better team is like the opinion of someone who didn't watch the game.
If Tyrone's free takers were on their game, we win that match.
If Tyrone take their goal chances, we win that match.
If Deegan does his job, we win that match.
If Morgan doesn't have a meltdown, we win that match.
I have no complaints about the result, we have ourselves to blame for that but the idea that Kerry were superior to us on the day is nonsense. We threw it away.
Bomber, Kerry were slightly the better team. Tyrone had chances and could have won it. They also could have done a few things differently and tipped the balance their way. But Kerry always (apart from that period in the 50-60 minute, looked to have that little bit more about them.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 24, 2015, 10:42:19 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 24, 2015, 10:35:26 AM
Reading the comments here , ive come to the conclusion tyrone have surpassed Mayo as the most delusional fans on the country.
tyrone were well beaten by four points yeaterday.
any time they got close to kerry, kerry went up and got 2 or 3 points and never looked in real trouble save for a minute when tytone go an unwarrented penalty,
They got some bad decision they got some good one same as any team in any other match evet
they general consensus before the game is tyrone would make as match of it but kerry would have too much firepower for them in the end esp off the bench.
Mucnch it and runch it any way you want but thats exactly what happened
which is exactly what happened
That's exactly how I saw the game . Tyrone were hanging on for dear life and after 55 mins had been declared clinically dead until the penalty
They should employ Stephen O Neill as a forwards coach or make the forward line watch videos of him scoring goals - entitled " we don't have forwards who can do this anymore "
To win Tyrone needed big games from Donnelly , Harte and Cavanagh . It didn't happen.
Both teams half backines had a nightmare . Thought Mc Curry and Donnelly played well along with the Tyrone full back line . But they had far too many basic errors to win a game like that .
It wasn't just because of the penalty though. They were tearing through the middle of the kerry defense and really exposed them for a good sustained period. The second penalty shout seemed to deflate them.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2015, 10:43:16 AM
Indy, do you now accept though, that a team running right up the gut of Kerry will frighten the bejaysus out of them?
They'll have seen it too though . It will be remedied before the final would be my guess . Still clear favourites in my view
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 24, 2015, 10:46:55 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 24, 2015, 10:42:19 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 24, 2015, 10:35:26 AM
Reading the comments here , ive come to the conclusion tyrone have surpassed Mayo as the most delusional fans on the country.
tyrone were well beaten by four points yeaterday.
any time they got close to kerry, kerry went up and got 2 or 3 points and never looked in real trouble save for a minute when tytone go an unwarrented penalty,
They got some bad decision they got some good one same as any team in any other match evet
they general consensus before the game is tyrone would make as match of it but kerry would have too much firepower for them in the end esp off the bench.
Mucnch it and runch it any way you want but thats exactly what happened
which is exactly what happened
That's exactly how I saw the game . Tyrone were hanging on for dear life and after 55 mins had been declared clinically dead until the penalty
They should employ Stephen O Neill as a forwards coach or make the forward line watch videos of him scoring goals - entitled " we don't have forwards who can do this anymore "
To win Tyrone needed big games from Donnelly , Harte and Cavanagh . It didn't happen.
Both teams half backines had a nightmare . Thought Mc Curry and Donnelly played well along with the Tyrone full back line . But they had far too many basic errors to win a game like that .
It wasn't just because of the penalty though. They were tearing through the middle of the kerry defense and really exposed them for a good sustained period. The second penalty shout seemed to deflate them.
The second penalty incident was in the 66th minute. Get the penalty and score, Tyrone would have been two points up with three minutes to play. Fine margins win games.
Four points flatters Kerry a little but they deserved their win. More clinical and composed when the game was there to be won. Tyrone didn't take their chances when they had them after drawing level with 8 minutes to play. Kerry took theirs
Quote from: rrhf on August 24, 2015, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2015, 10:18:58 AM
I wouldn't be so sure on the penalty. Even after seeing it several times now, I'm still not sure it was a foul. That said, it's a big call to accuse the lad of diving. Maybe the correct call was just play on, and eventually it would be a free out for overcarrying.
As for the others, I thought Marc O'Se's black was on the money, I thought the Tyrone black was wrong, the Enright yellow should have been a black. I thought the Tyrone #5 should have got the line for the late hit on Gooch, and I thought Killian Young was very lucky not to get a black card on the first goal chance Tyrone had when Marc O'Se made the great block.
The lad certainly didnt dive, his momentum meant that when the foul occurred he was trying to stay on his feet and grabbing a jersey can equally be seen as an attempt to stay up. It said more about Deegan's state of mind that he booked the lad for a clear foul.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Indeed, or an attempt to exchange jerseys early.
The problem is that the rule book thinks it is foul play. If you are trying to buy a penalty, and you are seen grabbing a jersey, it won't be seen as
'an attempt to stay up.' It risks being seen as trying to engineer a penalty.
I thought he had got around O'Mahony and had only the keeper to beat, but he turned away from goal and went down too easily. Would Michael Murphy, Seamus Quigley, Steven O'Neill, Aiden O'Sé, Bernard Brogan or anyone else you can think of, having got around the last defender, have done anything other than try to blast the ball into the net?
Quote from: INDIANA on August 24, 2015, 10:53:18 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2015, 10:43:16 AM
Indy, do you now accept though, that a team running right up the gut of Kerry will frighten the bejaysus out of them?
They'll have seen it too though . It will be remedied before the final would be my guess . Still clear favourites in my view
I'm saying this since they played Tipp. It's a structural flaw they have. I don't think they can really fix it without doing something radical and I don't think Fitzmaurice will want to do that.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2015, 10:44:35 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 10:42:51 AM
There was also an incident right under the Hogan at the Hill end in the first half where there was a loose ball McCrory was going down on and Walsh came in and kicked the ball when he was going down on it, right in front of Deegan who waved play on.
Then there was a free given to O'Donoghue right at the start of the second half for which he took a dive when McCarron didn't touch him.
Saying Kerry were clearly the better team is like the opinion of someone who didn't watch the game.
If Tyrone's free takers were on their game, we win that match.
If Tyrone take their goal chances, we win that match.
If Deegan does his job, we win that match.
If Morgan doesn't have a meltdown, we win that match.
I have no complaints about the result, we have ourselves to blame for that but the idea that Kerry were superior to us on the day is nonsense. We threw it away.
Bomber, Kerry were slightly the better team. Tyrone had chances and could have won it. They also could have done a few things differently and tipped the balance their way. But Kerry always (apart from that period in the 50-60 minute, looked to have that little bit more about them.
When it came down to taking their chances then yes they were better than us. I firmly believe if we take our chances we win that game, if Morgan doesn't implode and hand scores to Kerry we win that game, if our free takers are on their game, we win.
And we didn't and in saying all that, we should have a penalty with 4 mins to go to put us two points up.
We left it behind, we had the better chances in that game and looked like we were more creative, Kerry required a good few scores from poor kickouts from Morgan.
Yes, and if my Aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Being able to take your chances is part of being the better team. All told, Kerry were slightly better. But Tyrone were not, and are not, a million miles off.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 10:42:51 AM
There was also an incident right under the Hogan at the Hill end in the first half where there was a loose ball McCrory was going down on and Walsh came in and kicked the ball when he was going down on it, right in front of Deegan who waved play on.
Then there was a free given to O'Donoghue right at the start of the second half for which he took a dive when McCarron didn't touch him.
Saying Kerry were clearly the better team is like the opinion of someone who didn't watch the game.
If Tyrone's free takers were on their game, we win that match.
If Tyrone take their goal chances, we win that match.
If Deegan does his job, we win that match.
If Morgan doesn't have a meltdown, we win that match.
I have no complaints about the result, we have ourselves to blame for that but the idea that Kerry were superior to us on the day is nonsense. We threw it away.
Bomber, Kerry were slightly the better team. Tyrone had chances and could have won it. They also could have done a few things differently and tipped the balance their way. But Kerry always (apart from that period in the 50-60 minute, looked to have that little bit more about them.
When it came down to taking their chances then yes they were better than us. I firmly believe if we take our chances we win that game, if Morgan doesn't implode and hand scores to Kerry we win that game, if our free takers are on their game, we win.
And we didn't and in saying all that, we should have a penalty with 4 mins to go to put us two points up.
We left it behind, we had the better chances in that game and looked like we were more creative, Kerry required a good few scores from poor kickouts from Morgan.
And Tyrone required a penalty from a very sloppy Kerry pass. We can analysis the ifs and buts all day, both teams got breaks, one team took them, the other didn't.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 10:42:51 AM
There was also an incident right under the Hogan at the Hill end in the first half where there was a loose ball McCrory was going down on and Walsh came in and kicked the ball when he was going down on it, right in front of Deegan who waved play on.
Then there was a free given to O'Donoghue right at the start of the second half for which he took a dive when McCarron didn't touch him.
Saying Kerry were clearly the better team is like the opinion of someone who didn't watch the game.
If Tyrone's free takers were on their game, we win that match.
If Tyrone take their goal chances, we win that match.
If Deegan does his job, we win that match.
If Morgan doesn't have a meltdown, we win that match.
I have no complaints about the result, we have ourselves to blame for that but the idea that Kerry were superior to us on the day is nonsense. We threw it away.
If me auntie had balls and all that!!! Kerry missed chances, Kerry punished Tyrone mistakes, the ref made bad decisions both sides, the persecution complex of the men in the bushes is going into complete overdrive. The Tyrone team is 4th best team in the country at the minute behind Mayo, Dublin and Kerry. Get another MF allowing Cavanagh to stay in FF and they will push for the title but not at the minute.
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Quotea 45 that wasn't
I looked at that again and paused it. It looks like the backs hand is the last to hit.
I thought Kerry's free for their 5th point was very soft (Moran was off balance rather than getting pulled back and to make things worse it was brought forward too far by Deegan). Sean Kavanagh should / could have got a free from a high ball where I thought he was fouled. I don't think it was mentioned yet that the ref also went over the 2 mins time in the 1st half and Kerry, star, got a point in this period.
In saying that, Tyrone butchered about 1-3 in the first half through their own poor decisions, if Tyrone had an attacking full back that could score then they may have gotten a draw. I also thought they never tested Kerry with some high balls into Kavanagh, there was time and opportunity to do that but they only did it once in the whole game.
That's a fair enough assessment, I thought it was Donaghy who touched the ball last.
And as I said we threw it away, we let Kerry off the hook. We have ourselves to blame which makes it tougher to take.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 11:04:19 AM
And as I said we threw it away, we let Kerry off the hook. We have ourselves to blame which makes it tougher to take.
Ye certainly had chances, but as I said, taking chances is part of being the better team.
It is good to see some Tyrone people on here being objective in their assessment. Not withstanding Maurice Deegan's woeful display. The better team won. But from the perspective of Ulster rivals this is a serious step forward by Tyrone.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2015, 11:05:13 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 11:04:19 AM
And as I said we threw it away, we let Kerry off the hook. We have ourselves to blame which makes it tougher to take.
Ye certainly had chances, but as I said, taking chances is part of being the better team.
I see it as us handing them the win rather than them being the better team. The result was fair but we threw it away, I felt the game was played completely on Tyrone's terms and we had ourselves in a box seat position to win but blew it.
Pretty similar to Mayo last year.
I have to say the better team won on the day. Tyrone just don't have the cynical finishers up front yet. Kerry always looked in control and in the second half I never felt once that Tyrone were going to win it.
The short kick outs didn't work and Kerry had done there homework on this. I would not have Morgan in goals again and I wouldn't let him kick another free for Tyrone either. His poor decisions were the down fall of Tyrone yesterday.
Conor Myler should have been taken off sooner, he had a stinker. At one point he losses possession around Kerrys 45, Kerry break up the pitch and Myler ends up fouling the Kerry man, giving away a simple free. Another was when a good ball was played into him and it just bounces off his chest and Kerry sweep up.
Tyrone's defence were immense in the first half and played well, something to build on.
The Gooch deserved that challenge just because he's the Gooch. I would say there was a fair bit of sledgin from him, the ole cute hoor.
Sean Cavanagh should call it a day he has nothing to prove.
Colm Cavanagh is a great player and rarely does anything wrong.
#nextyearwillbeouryear
Splitting hairs. Ye certainly didn't hand it to them though, in my opinion. It was level with 10 minutes or so to go, and Kerry stayed calm and got some very good scores. That's to their credit in fairness.
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Hard luck to Tyrone. Nothing worse than losing a game you could have won.
From a neutral's perspective I thought the ref did fine. You'll never get every decision right, but given you have to call it as you see it within a split second, I thought every decision he made was understandable. With one exception - McNamee's foul was clearly not a black card offence.
Did that cost them the game? It might have been significant, but they have to look at themselves - the missed goals chances from McAlliskey and Bradley, the very poor performance from Morgan and the lack of impact made by SeanC.
Thought both managers did very well.
I actually could see why he gave mcnamee a black card but I couldn't see why he didn't give Enright a black card. That was really blatant. He's a very good defender too and it would have made a difference had he went off.
Neither were black cards for me (although Enright's more debatable). Black cards are supposed to be hard to get. Both McNamee and Enright could be judged to have attempted to make a fair tackle to get the ball, but mis-timed/too hard meant foul and yellow. Contrast that to Marc O'Se. No attempt to play the ball, just cynically pulled down the man, his hands were on his opponents legs, nowhere near the ball.
Enright's definitely very borderline, but I would have given him the benefit of the doubt.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2015, 11:15:56 AM
Splitting hairs. Ye certainly didn't hand it to them though, in my opinion. It was level with 10 minutes or so to go, and Kerry stayed calm and got some very good scores. That's to their credit in fairness.
Anthony Maher's score, when level, was the biggest score of the game for me. Fabulous point and gave Kerry the momentum back, and they didnt let it slip again
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I wouldn't be so sure on the penalty. Even after seeing it several times now, I'm still not sure it was a foul. That said, it's a big call to accuse the lad of diving. Maybe the correct call was just play on, and eventually it would be a free out for overcarrying.
As for the others, I thought Marc O'Se's black was on the money, I thought the Tyrone black was wrong, the Enright yellow should have been a black. I thought the Tyrone #5 should have got the line for the late hit on Gooch, and I thought Killian Young was very lucky not to get a black card on the first goal chance Tyrone had when Marc O'Se made the great block.
The lad certainly didnt dive, his momentum meant that when the foul occurred he was trying to stay on his feet and grabbing a jersey can equally be seen as an attempt to stay up. It said more about Deegan's state of mind that he booked the lad for a clear foul.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Indeed, or an attempt to exchange jerseys early.
The problem is that the rule book thinks it is foul play. If you are trying to buy a penalty, and you are seen grabbing a jersey, it won't be seen as 'an attempt to stay up.' It risks being seen as trying to engineer a penalty.
I thought he had got around O'Mahony and had only the keeper to beat, but he turned away from goal and went down too easily. Would Michael Murphy, Seamus Quigley, Steven O'Neill, Aiden O'Sé, Bernard Brogan or anyone else you can think of, having got around the last defender, have done anything other than try to blast the ball into the net?
I suppose in someone's universe, the shirt grabbing could be seen as an attempt to stay up after a foul. That would be a Flann O'Brien defense, "he battered my boot with his head, your honour". Deegan had with decisiveness awarded Tyrone a penalty earlier, he had a very good view of this latter incident and gave his opinion in an instant. From one angle it looks conclusive that the Tyrone player propelled himself to the ground, from another tv angle there might have been some contact, but it was not a penalty.
"It said more about Deegan's state of mind that.... " ;D
The good, the questionable and the poor decisions made by Deegan were distributed evenly to each team and without prejudice.
There was not a conspiracy, a "revenge of the refs" in lieu of bad deeds done by a victimised Tyrone, a type of conspiracy pedalled by preachers which tend to find currency amongst the gullible and ill educated.
Kerry went into the 2nd half a point ahead after performing poorly, they were 4 or 5 points ahead and cruising, Tyrone closed it with a deserved penalty but Kerry went up the field and scored 4 points more and controlled the game. In most peoples' viewpoint that's an emphatic 2nd half winning performance.
It was very poor form by Harte and Cavanagh not to take their emphatic beating on the chin, but seek to cast a dark cloud over the officiating rather than their own team's evident blatant shortcomings which cost them a rake of points. But hey, that type of stuff seems to work in Tyrone, people just queue up to swallow it wholesale.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 10:42:51 AM
There was also an incident right under the Hogan at the Hill end in the first half where there was a loose ball McCrory was going down on and Walsh came in and kicked the ball when he was going down on it, right in front of Deegan who waved play on.
Then there was a free given to O'Donoghue right at the start of the second half for which he took a dive when McCarron didn't touch him.
Saying Kerry were clearly the better team is like the opinion of someone who didn't watch the game.
If Tyrone's free takers were on their game, we win that match.
If Tyrone take their goal chances, we win that match.
If Deegan does his job, we win that match.
If Morgan doesn't have a meltdown, we win that match.
I have no complaints about the result, we have ourselves to blame for that but the idea that Kerry were superior to us on the day is nonsense. We threw it away.
You'll enjoy this song Bomber. . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg3SpvJEf40
I definitely don't think that was a game Tyrone threw away! I think people are over estimating Tyrones performance a slight bit this morning. Kerry were comfortable enough for an all Ireland semi final up to the penalty and then upped it again thereafter to get the last 4 points. Tyrone played well but any losing team at any level always points to the what ifs afterwards.
Quote from: Hound on August 24, 2015, 11:16:16 AM
Neither were black cards for me (although Enright's more debatable). Black cards are supposed to be hard to get. Both McNamee and Enright could be judged to have attempted to make a fair tackle to get the ball, but mis-timed/too hard meant foul and yellow. Contrast that to Marc O'Se. No attempt to play the ball, just cynically pulled down the man, his hands were on his opponents legs, nowhere near the ball.
Enright's definitely very borderline, but I would have given him the benefit of the doubt.
Couldn't agree with that Hound, Enright made absolutely no attempt to play the ball. Tyrone were breaking through with men over and he dragged the man down. A stonewall black card offence for me
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 10:42:51 AM
There was also an incident right under the Hogan at the Hill end in the first half where there was a loose ball McCrory was going down on and Walsh came in and kicked the ball when he was going down on it, right in front of Deegan who waved play on.
Then there was a free given to O'Donoghue right at the start of the second half for which he took a dive when McCarron didn't touch him.
Saying Kerry were clearly the better team is like the opinion of someone who didn't watch the game.
If Tyrone's free takers were on their game, we win that match.
If Tyrone take their goal chances, we win that match.
If Deegan does his job, we win that match.
If Morgan doesn't have a meltdown, we win that match.
I have no complaints about the result, we have ourselves to blame for that but the idea that Kerry were superior to us on the day is nonsense. We threw it away.
;D IF Carlow had the best 25 players in the country they'd win Sam
Common problem with GAA fans at all levels is that they seek to attach blame elsewhere when defeated. We got a hammering yesterday in our club championship, a tanking. We got home from the game and the missus asked the wee lad how did the game go and he said we got beat but it was the refs fault! A pet hate of mine and I pulled him on it and he explained about an incident in the second half when we had a half hearted penalty shout, certainly seen them given and not given. But in greater scheme of things we'd likely have played the peno short or dropped it into the keepers hands. Bingo Jnr is 7 and I'm determined to get this blame culture out of him. Not even sure how much of the game he watched as I was on the sideline and he was with his uncle in crowd before disappearing with his wee buddies to play football on any space they could find. But he saw this incident and that was enough for him. It was the refs fault.
Seems to be a very similar approach on this thread and many threads on matches. Most post match conversations will revolve round the ref doing a team out of the win or the match been won despite the ref.
Tyrone had plenty of chances yesterday to win that game, goals are big scores but they aren't always taken and the miss isn't always the forwards fault - a great block and a great save yesterday stopped two of them. Missed frees lose games as well and Tyrone racked up a few of them. Individual battles round the field can win or lose games. Kerry obviously worked hard and bottled up key Tyrone players - Cavanagh, Donnelly and Harte. Tyrone have excelled at this themselves. Several times yesterday we see the Tyrone corner backs on the ball in dangerous positions in the Kerry half, obviously Kerry had the right men on the ball in the right places. The odd time a corner back will drive in a great ball, score a screamer but majority of the time they'll slow play, play it safe, kick it wide or play a 50/50 ball. Tyrone where excellent against Monaghan in letting these type of players have all the ball in world.
Certain things of Tyrone gameplan worked - mainly running hard down the middle but they just didn't get enough possession to do this enough. And Kerrys kicking game seem to stifle this. They moved the ball early and by foot, stretching Tyrone and making it hard on Tyrone to force turnovers. When they did get players isolated and slowed down they really forced the turnovers. But this didn't happen enough - Kerry could so long to Donaghy/Geaney or wide to Cooper or JOD. Then the possession for their own kick outs didn't happen either.
Kerry where good value for the win I thought, always seemed to have a change of gear or more options.
Game was lost on the field by the players. Tyrone have had a great year (bar relegation which mightn't be too bad, they'll be strong and can continue to work in new players and maybe rest the older guard for the summer) and with experience and a few changes will be back at that stage regularly in the future. Ulster should be their for the taking for them next year.
Kerry won't give up their crown too easily and will fear no one.
(Work colleague just telling me about the Junior B final they lost on Friday night, lost by 4 but the ref cheated them out of it! ;D )
I'm with you on that one mac. It was a poster child for the black card. Player breaking away in the middle of the field. Defender comes in, grabs him and pulls him down.
QuoteAnthony Maher's score, when level, was the biggest score of the game for me. Fabulous point and gave Kerry the momentum back, and they didnt let it slip again
+1, it was one of those where he almost had too much time. Great second half display, should have been shortlisted for the MOTM.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 10:42:51 AM
There was also an incident right under the Hogan at the Hill end in the first half where there was a loose ball McCrory was going down on and Walsh came in and kicked the ball when he was going down on it, right in front of Deegan who waved play on.
Then there was a free given to O'Donoghue right at the start of the second half for which he took a dive when McCarron didn't touch him.
Saying Kerry were clearly the better team is like the opinion of someone who didn't watch the game.
If Tyrone's free takers were on their game, we win that match.
If Tyrone take their goal chances, we win that match.
If Deegan does his job, we win that match.
If Morgan doesn't have a meltdown, we win that match.
I have no complaints about the result, we have ourselves to blame for that but the idea that Kerry were superior to us on the day is nonsense. We threw it away.
;D IF Carlow had the best 25 players in the country they'd win Sam
I'm struggling to remember a county making up so many excuses for losing a game . At no stage did Tyrone look like winning. Execution wasn't there
That's the difference between Tyrone's forwards today and O'Neill, Canavan etc. Any sniff of a goal and there'd be no question as to where the ball would end up. Canavan would have certainly passed to the man in the better position. Selflessness is the difference between a good forward and a great forward.
Quote from: general_lee on August 24, 2015, 11:50:26 AM
That's the difference between Tyrone's forwards today and O'Neill, Canavan etc. Any sniff of a goal and there'd be no question as to where the ball would end up. Canavan would have certainly passed to the man in the better position. Selflessness is the difference between a good forward and a great forward.
Decision making. Sometimes going yourself is the correct decision. Canavan took the right option more often than not. Kerry's forwards do too.
Kerry were reliant on their opponents not taking their chances yesterday and that was the bottom line, if you think in spite of that they were the better team then so be it.
Quote from: Hound on August 24, 2015, 11:18:12 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2015, 11:15:56 AM
Splitting hairs. Ye certainly didn't hand it to them though, in my opinion. It was level with 10 minutes or so to go, and Kerry stayed calm and got some very good scores. That's to their credit in fairness.
Anthony Maher's score, when level, was the biggest score of the game for me. Fabulous point and gave Kerry the momentum back, and they didnt let it slip again
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Yes it really settled kerry nerves. Watching it on replay he seemed to ghost forward without anyone marking hIm which was unusual given how tight Tyrone's marking had been. Saying that it was a pressure kick and he definitely took it well. It's funny how different people see games and individual players performances. For me because of the way the game was played it wasn't a conventional midfield contest. So naturally enough players like David moran didn't seem to shine although he got through a lot of work. Same goes for the other midfielders on display with colm cavanagh putting in the hardest shift of all of them.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 11:54:08 AM
Kerry were reliant on their opponents not taking their chances yesterday and that was the bottom line, if you think in spite of that they were the better team then so be it.
emm, or maybe Kerry were better at taking their chances ie the better team ?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 11:54:08 AM
Kerry were reliant on their opponents not taking their chances yesterday and that was the bottom line, if you think in spite of that they were the better team then so be it.
Kerry had the ability & composure to take their chances. Tyrone didn't. I think that makes them the better team.
If the 2 teams played 10 times I'd expect Kerry to win on 7/8 occasions. Tyrone needed to get a few goals and have serious performances from Peter Harte, Sean Cavanagh & Mattie Donnelly to win but it never happened. Tyrone are a young team though & will come on a lot for the experience.
They allowed/were powerless to stop Tyrone creating chances that if they had been taken would have won Tyrone the game. The way I see it is that we had them at our mercy but we just weren't ruthless enough, I hope we learn a lot from that today and we don't see the same mistakes repeating themselves next year.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2015, 11:53:07 AM
Quote from: general_lee on August 24, 2015, 11:50:26 AM
That's the difference between Tyrone's forwards today and O'Neill, Canavan etc. Any sniff of a goal and there'd be no question as to where the ball would end up. Canavan would have certainly passed to the man in the better position. Selflessness is the difference between a good forward and a great forward.
Decision making. Sometimes going yourself is the correct decision. Canavan took the right option more often than not. Kerry's forwards do too.
Exactly. People saying the gooch was quiet yesterday but sometimes setting up and creating scores goes unnoticed.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 12:07:25 PM
They allowed/were powerless to stop Tyrone creating chances that if they had been taken would have won Tyrone the game. The way I see it is that we had them at our mercy but we just weren't ruthless enough, I hope we learn a lot from that today and we don't see the same mistakes repeating themselves next year.
And kerry missed no chances did they?
if you reverse the arguement you are making you could say that IF kerry took the chances they created they would have won by 8 points!
It's a ridiculous arguement. Kerry took more of their chances and deservedly won the game.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 10:42:51 AM
There was also an incident right under the Hogan at the Hill end in the first half where there was a loose ball McCrory was going down on and Walsh came in and kicked the ball when he was going down on it, right in front of Deegan who waved play on.
Then there was a free given to O'Donoghue right at the start of the second half for which he took a dive when McCarron didn't touch him.
Saying Kerry were clearly the better team is like the opinion of someone who didn't watch the game.
If Tyrone's free takers were on their game, we win that match.
If Tyrone take their goal chances, we win that match.
If Deegan does his job, we win that match.
If Morgan doesn't have a meltdown, we win that match.
I have no complaints about the result, we have ourselves to blame for that but the idea that Kerry were superior to us on the day is nonsense. We threw it away.
;D IF Carlow had the best 25 players in the country they'd win Sam
I'm struggling to remember a county making up so many excuses for losing a game . At no stage did Tyrone look like winning. Execution wasn't there
For once I agree with you. Ultimately we can really only blame ourselves for the the poor execution of chances that we created. But I think every single county bemoans missed opportunities, poor ref decisions and key points in the game which went against them in the hours and days after a big defeat. We'll see how the Dubs react if Mayo win next week, sure some of you are still blaming the rain and Steven O'Neill for 2008. ;)
When the dust settles I think most Tyrone fans will be happy with being All Ireland U21 champions and making the AI semi final and the difference between this year and 2013 is that there is a real sense that this is the beginning of something good with a younger age profile and plenty of lads with underage AI medals chomping at the bit to get involved.
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They allowed/were powerless to stop Tyrone creating chances that if they had been taken would have won Tyrone the game. The way I see it is that we had them at our mercy but we just weren't ruthless enough, I hope we learn a lot from that today and we don't see the same mistakes repeating themselves next year.
And kerry missed no chances did they?
if you reverse the arguement you are making you could say that IF kerry took the chances they created they would have won by 8 points!
It's a ridiculous arguement. Kerry took more of their chances and deservedly won the game.
There's no if about them, those chances were created and missed. We had 4 goal openings that only yielded two points and that's not counting the penalty and penalty claim.
We missed 6 or 7 scorable frees, they happened.
Kerry had no sightings on goal all game long.
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Here's the Stats from yesterday. Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost. Kerry though created more scoring chances and were better at converting them than Tyrone, but only marginally in terms of % wise both around the 50% conversion rate. Same amount of wides. Kerry better at the frees. Tyrone better at the turnovers but only just. If you look at this you can see that Kerry were the better side. They were comfortable up to the penalty and that gave Tyrone a bit of hope, but Kerry were never losing it. More clinical, simple as that.
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They allowed/were powerless to stop Tyrone creating chances that if they had been taken would have won Tyrone the game. The way I see it is that we had them at our mercy but we just weren't ruthless enough, I hope we learn a lot from that today and we don't see the same mistakes repeating themselves next year.
And kerry missed no chances did they?
if you reverse the arguement you are making you could say that IF kerry took the chances they created they would have won by 8 points!
It's a ridiculous arguement. Kerry took more of their chances and deservedly won the game.
There's no if about them, those chances were created and missed. We had 4 goal openings that only yielded two points and that's not counting the penalty and penalty claim.
We missed 6 or 7 scorable frees, they happened.
Kerry had no sightings on goal all game long.
are you Omaghjoe?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
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Here's the Stats from yesterday. Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost. Kerry though created more scoring chances and were better at converting them than Tyrone, but only marginally in terms of % wise both around the 50% conversion rate. Same amount of wides. Kerry better at the frees. Tyrone better at the turnovers but only just. If you look at this you can see that Kerry were the better side. They were comfortable up to the penalty and that gave Tyrone a bit of hope, but Kerry were never losing it. More clinical, simple as that.
The difference is 4 of our scoring chances were goal chances so your stats are misleading. We had 4 goal chances and Kerry had none.
So add an extra 8 points onto chances created and that leaves Tyrone 27 to Kerry's 24.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost.
Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost.
Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 12:28:40 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
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Here's the Stats from yesterday. Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost. Kerry though created more scoring chances and were better at converting them than Tyrone, but only marginally in terms of % wise both around the 50% conversion rate. Same amount of wides. Kerry better at the frees. Tyrone better at the turnovers but only just. If you look at this you can see that Kerry were the better side. They were comfortable up to the penalty and that gave Tyrone a bit of hope, but Kerry were never losing it. More clinical, simple as that.
The difference is 4 of our scoring chances were goal chances so your stats are misleading. We had 4 goal chances and Kerry had none.
So add an extra 8 points onto chances created and that leaves Tyrone 27 to Kerry's 24.
But you didn't take them!!! Get over it son, youse were beaten by a better team.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 24, 2015, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost.
Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those
Good maths Mac, monday and all that!! Telling though that they lost 10 of their own kickouts, criminal stuff that.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:33:28 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 24, 2015, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost.
Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 12:28:40 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
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Here's the Stats from yesterday. Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost. Kerry though created more scoring chances and were better at converting them than Tyrone, but only marginally in terms of % wise both around the 50% conversion rate. Same amount of wides. Kerry better at the frees. Tyrone better at the turnovers but only just. If you look at this you can see that Kerry were the better side. They were comfortable up to the penalty and that gave Tyrone a bit of hope, but Kerry were never losing it. More clinical, simple as that.
The difference is 4 of our scoring chances were goal chances so your stats are misleading. We had 4 goal chances and Kerry had none.
So add an extra 8 points onto chances created and that leaves Tyrone 27 to Kerry's 24.
But you didn't take them!!! Get over it son, youse were beaten by a better team.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 24, 2015, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost.
Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those
Good maths Mac, monday and all that!! Telling though that they lost 10 of their own kickouts, criminal stuff that.
Well you need to settle on argument first. Tyrone had the more chances, the better chances but let Kerry off the hook. In reality they were at our mercy, there is definitely regret there in the fact we didn't take our chances but it was a case of us having Kerry at our mercy and just not having that ruthlessness.
We let Kerry away with it.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
Here's the Stats from yesterday. Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost. Kerry though created more scoring chances and were better at converting them than Tyrone, but only marginally in terms of % wise both around the 50% conversion rate. Same amount of wides. Kerry better at the frees. Tyrone better at the turnovers but only just. If you look at this you can see that Kerry were the better side. They were comfortable up to the penalty and that gave Tyrone a bit of hope, but Kerry were never losing it. More clinical, simple as that.
Kerry had 18 scores and 9 wides so that makes 27 kickouts for Tyrone so 10 won by Kerry. Was there one over the sideline? Could count that as a Kerry win I suppose
Right you let Kerry away with it, are you happy now? Who are Tyrone playing on the 20th September?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 12:38:27 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:33:28 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 24, 2015, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost.
Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 12:28:40 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
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Here's the Stats from yesterday. Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost. Kerry though created more scoring chances and were better at converting them than Tyrone, but only marginally in terms of % wise both around the 50% conversion rate. Same amount of wides. Kerry better at the frees. Tyrone better at the turnovers but only just. If you look at this you can see that Kerry were the better side. They were comfortable up to the penalty and that gave Tyrone a bit of hope, but Kerry were never losing it. More clinical, simple as that.
The difference is 4 of our scoring chances were goal chances so your stats are misleading. We had 4 goal chances and Kerry had none.
So add an extra 8 points onto chances created and that leaves Tyrone 27 to Kerry's 24.
But you didn't take them!!! Get over it son, youse were beaten by a better team.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 24, 2015, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost.
Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those
Good maths Mac, monday and all that!! Telling though that they lost 10 of their own kickouts, criminal stuff that.
Well you need to settle on argument first. Tyrone had the more chances, the better chances but let Kerry off the hook. In reality they were at our mercy, there is definitely regret there in the fact we didn't take our chances but it was a case of us having Kerry at our mercy and just not having that ruthlessness.
We let Kerry away with it.
What exactly is your point?
You had chances, you weren't good enough to take your chances, kerry were better at taking their chances (although they missed chances too), scored more and won the game.
Keep in mind too, that of the 4 goal chances (I can only remember 3 but I believe you!) two were blocked/saved - one by marc oSe and one by kealy. So you could argue good defending by kerry (albeit last ditch defending).
I would that there has never been a game yet where the losing team cannot point out chances that if they had taken they could have won the game!
Quote from: westbound on August 24, 2015, 12:45:50 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 12:38:27 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:33:28 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 24, 2015, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost.
Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 12:28:40 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNKtTQBUwAAePmJ.jpg)
Here's the Stats from yesterday. Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost. Kerry though created more scoring chances and were better at converting them than Tyrone, but only marginally in terms of % wise both around the 50% conversion rate. Same amount of wides. Kerry better at the frees. Tyrone better at the turnovers but only just. If you look at this you can see that Kerry were the better side. They were comfortable up to the penalty and that gave Tyrone a bit of hope, but Kerry were never losing it. More clinical, simple as that.
The difference is 4 of our scoring chances were goal chances so your stats are misleading. We had 4 goal chances and Kerry had none.
So add an extra 8 points onto chances created and that leaves Tyrone 27 to Kerry's 24.
But you didn't take them!!! Get over it son, youse were beaten by a better team.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 24, 2015, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost.
Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those
Good maths Mac, monday and all that!! Telling though that they lost 10 of their own kickouts, criminal stuff that.
Well you need to settle on argument first. Tyrone had the more chances, the better chances but let Kerry off the hook. In reality they were at our mercy, there is definitely regret there in the fact we didn't take our chances but it was a case of us having Kerry at our mercy and just not having that ruthlessness.
We let Kerry away with it.
What exactly is your point?
You had chances, you weren't good enough to take your chances, kerry were better at taking their chances (although they missed chances too), scored more and won the game.
Keep in mind too, that of the 4 goal chances (I can only remember 3 but I believe you!) two were blocked/saved - one by marc oSe and one by kealy. So you could argue good defending by kerry (albeit last ditch defending).
I would that there has never been a game yet where the losing team cannot point out chances that if they had taken they could have won the game!
Im saying it's our own fault we lost rather than Kerry out classing us. I thought we definitely had the beating of them yesterday but shot ourselves in the football. People are speaking as if Kerry were on another level to us yesterday but the truth is we had them beaten if we had that little bit more composure and clinical finishing.
Very disappointing.
Quote from: JoG2 on August 24, 2015, 11:28:06 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 10:42:51 AM
There was also an incident right under the Hogan at the Hill end in the first half where there was a loose ball McCrory was going down on and Walsh came in and kicked the ball when he was going down on it, right in front of Deegan who waved play on.
Then there was a free given to O'Donoghue right at the start of the second half for which he took a dive when McCarron didn't touch him.
Saying Kerry were clearly the better team is like the opinion of someone who didn't watch the game.
If Tyrone's free takers were on their game, we win that match.
If Tyrone take their goal chances, we win that match.
If Deegan does his job, we win that match.
If Morgan doesn't have a meltdown, we win that match.
I have no complaints about the result, we have ourselves to blame for that but the idea that Kerry were superior to us on the day is nonsense. We threw it away.
;D IF Carlow had the best 25 players in the country they'd win Sam
If there hadn't been a drop of rain in the replay, shure wouldnt it be Cork in the final now......
A lot of Tyrone folk going on about their missed chances/mistakes - Kerry missed a fair few chances and made a lot of mistakes as well - they had some bad wides and hit the post and a lot of the half-goal chances were partly as a result of Kerry mistakes.
I can not complain about the result yesterday. Kerry won the game because they are a composed team of All Ireland winners who didnt panic when the game was in the melting pot. They were more clinical with the chances provided to them and like all good champions they knew to be cynical when needed hats of to them the better team on the day.
The one question i have from yesterdays game is what are we teaching our you players when it comes to looking for the killer strike. All good county forwards need to have the natural instinct that they first look for the goal opportunity before the point. Skeet should have instinctively passed that ball to mccurry without having to make any decision he didnt. Gooch, Canavan, ONeill and Mugsy that pass is second nature. Young Brennan strikes me as that instinctive player which we require to win these big games.
Deegans decisions had a much lesser impact on the game than Tyrones inability to capitalise on gilt edge goal chances.
Best of Luck to Kerry in the final but I would dearly love to see Mayo make the break through no county in Ireland would deserve a little piece of luck than them.
Tyrone you were beaten, get over it. This nonsence is the reason no one likes you. in any match in any competition it the teams with the most points win. to say our free takers werent on form,,,,whose fault is that? if your free taker cant handle the pressure then tough luck get a better one who can. Donegal were beaten by mayo not one peep out of them they took it like men . Tyrone feel the world is against them thats bull.. Maurice Deegan did not get out of bed on sunday morning and receive a call from croke park telling him that Tyrone have to go out today because we dont like them...Im from the North and i think the whole thing is just silly....Message to Tyrone Cut out the crap,,,play like Men , win like Men and lose like Men.
I have said from the outset we only have ourselves to blame. We lost because we didn't take our chances, our fault. But some of the take on events on here are far removed from reality, we were far from being outclassed or well beaten. We had the winning of that game but spurned the opportunities. We should have won but the blame lies with ourselves.
I don't think anyone is saying ye were outclassed. Everyone seems to agree ye had chances, but didn't take them. What people are saying is that , largely due to ye not taking yer chances, Kerry weren't ever really panicked. I think all of that is true.
Tyrone were very much still in the game up until maybe 5mins before they got the penalty, I felt Tyrone though had more than matched Kerry and at half time I actually fancied Tyrone to kick on and win it. But Kerry definitely pulled away and a four point lead before the penalty was definitely a huge cushion, the penalty was a lifeline for Tyrone, and then when Tyrone drew level it would have been a brave man to bet against Tyrone, which then made the "non-penalty" a hard thing to ignore in the scheme of things.
But for Kerry to turn round and kick four points in such quick succession in that scenario was v impressive. I don't think you can blame us for a bit of the "what ifs" and I do think there is grounds for it, but Kerry won and the way in which they clocked up the last 4 points and closed out the game I think was the big difference, don't think Tyrone ever looked like turning the screw like that.
Spoke to an aul Kerry fella after the game and he was as bad a winner as I'd come across, sickening smart comments, but when I didn't bite back he quickly turned and had a few great honest insights, had a lot of respect for Tyrone and Micky Harte's set up and the youth coming through Tyrone. The grief and bad feeling is their surely but under it all I think everybody knows the Championship would be a much lesser place without the rivalry. We've thrashed this thread out til no end and my hangover's only getting worse. I'll let you's boys fight on there but I'll look forward til another crack in 2016 no doubt.
Disappointing loss yesterday - Kerry were definitely the better team. We can complain about refereeing decisions all we want but Tyrone didn't take their chances - simple as that. Thought Colm Cavanagh did a fantastic job for Tyrone along with Mark Bradley.
It almost wasn't fair the quality of players that Kerry were able to bring off the bench yesterday.
On a positive note for Tyrone - no-one expected them to get this far so soon with that team - there could be a few bright years ahead with them boys.
The one thing about being beat is that everyone loves ye and your football. Sunday game was at their gushing best last night.
Aside from that Kerrys last 10 minutes was impressive. At that stage it was obvious it wasn't going to be our day. Good strong breakaway finishes as Tyrone became fairly ragged and stretched. Their minors going for 2 in a row. You would have to say that Kerry are here to stay.
Quote from: rrhf on August 24, 2015, 01:45:32 PM
The one thing about being beat is that everyone loves ye and your football. Sunday game was at their gushing best last night.
Aside from that Kerrys last 10 minutes was impressive. At that stage it was obvious it wasn't going to be our day. Good strong breakaway finishes as Tyrone became fairly ragged and stretched. Their minors going for 2 in a row. You would have to say that Kerry are here to stay.
Unlike the IRA Kerry never went away!!!
Quote from: rrhf on August 24, 2015, 01:45:32 PM
The one thing about being beat is that everyone loves ye and your football. Sunday game was at their gushing best last night.
Aside from that Kerrys last 10 minutes was impressive. At that stage it was obvious it wasn't going to be our day. Good strong breakaway finishes as Tyrone became fairly ragged and stretched. Their minors going for 2 in a row. You would have to say that Kerry are here to stay.
Yerra, we're only in transition still. :)
All experts now saying winner will be from Mayo-Dublin. Kerry into final still in the long grass. Used 6 subs y'day and still had Galvin and Walsh unused.
Marc OSe about to play in his 10th All-Ireland final, same as his uncle.
Post-match analysis from beaten teams always seems to say the loser should have scored every chance but the opposition missed nothing.
There's always the implicit assertion that the losers getting their goal or kicking their free or whatever would provoke no change from the winners, no tactical adjustments, no increase in effort levels, no slowing the game down, nothing.
The reality is we only have one sample to go by as to what would have happened if Tyrone got a goal, on the one occasion they did Kerry smoothly moved up a gear, owned the ball for ten minutes and kicked four points at their leisure.
some going that... fair play. Lets avoid talk of transition as its a bit cute..
With the youth set up paying off, their amazing tradition and also the quick run in, I think its not unreasonable to expect Kerry to be in most finals for the next 10 years, and winning between 6 - 7 titles.
Dubs might grab 1/2 more. Mayo might grab 1. Tyrone might grab 1. Anything else probably wont happen.
If we had been as clinical as Kerry in front of the posts we might have won, but we weren't, so Kerry won deservedly and congrats to them; a particularly impressive series of points in the last few minutes.
A curious refereeing display from Mr Deegan once again, but he was't the cause of our loss (though the gap at the end might have been closer had a couple of his decisions abided by the consensus).
Roll on 2016! :)
Tyrone got a penalty against us for nothing earlier in the year so what goes around comes around.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 24, 2015, 02:31:32 PM
Tyrone got a penalty against us for nothing earlier in the year so what goes around comes around.
You would make a great referee.
A soft penalty against Meath in June hardly matters at the level we are talking about here.
The issue of missed chances is a red herring lads as they don't stand on their own. Tyrone could have executed one of the goal chances and kerry could have gone straight back up the field and scored one back. The dynamic of the game is such that hindsight is never a 20/20 view as you don't know how players react unless the circumstances happen. Kerry pulled away after Tyrone scored the penalty, what's to say they wouldn't have done the same, the likelihood is they would have. A score or a miss has different dynamic effects so there's no point with the ifs and buts.
Quote from: rrhf on August 24, 2015, 02:33:29 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 24, 2015, 02:31:32 PM
Tyrone got a penalty against us for nothing earlier in the year so what goes around comes around.
You would make a great referee.
A soft penalty against Meath in June hardly matters at the level we are talking about here.
WE should be in the final.
Well, missed chances are not a red herring. Tyrone clearly had chances they didn't take. Using them as an explanation for losing the game is the red herring because you are right, you can't tell how Kerry would react. They reacted well to the goal they did concede.
exactly and as they say these things tend to even out over a season.. Is Hughes or Deegan amongst the guys likely to get the all Ireland this year.
Tyrone did very well but ultimately Kerry better team. Plenty of patronising pats on the head now like the old days... had Tyrone won would have all been a crying match about McNulty 'dive' and McNabb taking out Gooch...
In fairness I think most people have called out McNabb for that shot on Gooch.
they would but would have been RTE hysteria and Kerry begrudery but in defeat Tyrone are grand...
I'm not sure I get you. People are talking about McNabb, after Tyrone lost.
As for the rest, I saw very little of the shite talking and antics that were there in the Monaghan game, so why would anyone have a cut off Tyrone if they behaved themselves? That would be a witchhunt.
so why they get hammered in 03 etc when they beat Kerry? great disciplined tackling and electric going forward..
Quote from: rrhf on August 24, 2015, 02:47:41 PM
Is Hughes or Deegan amongst the guys likely to get the all Ireland this year.
As far as I know, neither of the SF refs will get the final so Deegan & McQuillan are ruled out anyway
They'll surely give it to Cormac Reilly if Mayo make it through ;D
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 24, 2015, 03:07:26 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 24, 2015, 02:47:41 PM
Is Hughes or Deegan amongst the guys likely to get the all Ireland this year.
As far as I know, neither of the SF refs will get the final so Deegan & McQuillan are ruled out anyway
They'll surely give it to Cormac Reilly if Mayo make it through ;D
Personally, I hope Paudie Hughes gets it, will do all he can to make sure Kerry win!
Quote from: longballin on August 24, 2015, 03:06:10 PM
so why they get hammered in 03 etc when they beat Kerry? great disciplined tackling and electric going forward..
Dunno. Pat Spillane had a lot to do with that I'd say. I know I didn't hammer them. They didn't do anything outside the rules back then really. Apart from Ricey and Gormley of course :)
isn't a team won an All Ireland didn't have someone act the rascal... we were too nice and Meath thumped us... :o had to get bad!
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2015, 03:10:40 PM
Quote from: longballin on August 24, 2015, 03:06:10 PM
so why they get hammered in 03 etc when they beat Kerry? great disciplined tackling and electric going forward..
Dunno. Pat Spillane had a lot to do with that I'd say. I know I didn't hammer them. They didn't do anything outside the rules back then really. Apart from Ricey and Gormley of course :)
GAABoard was in relative infancy back then as well. I don't think I joined until 2005. . . f**k me 10 years!!!!!
There was plenty of discussion back then. Sure there was a special board created for Tyrone - Armagh topics in 03. The Draperstown boys were just a bit late to the party.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on August 24, 2015, 03:28:05 PM
There was plenty of discussion back then. Sure there was a special board created for Tyrone - Armagh topics in 03. The Draperstown boys were just a bit late to the party.
God I remember those days. That was hard work.
when the media down south suggested supporters would have to be segregated at an All Ireland final for first time ever... zzz ::)
Quote from: longballin on August 24, 2015, 03:36:36 PM
when the media down south suggested supporters would have to be segregated at an All Ireland final for first time ever... zzz ::)
In fairness, they just meant from the rest of us, not from each other :)
Quote from: rrhf on August 24, 2015, 02:47:41 PM
exactly and as they say these things tend to even out over a season.. Is Hughes or Deegan amongst the guys likely to get the all Ireland this year.
If Dublin beat Mayo, I'd be thinking Marty Duffy.
Quote from: rrhf on August 24, 2015, 02:16:32 PM
some going that... fair play. Lets avoid talk of transition as its a bit cute..
With the youth set up paying off, their amazing tradition and also the quick run in, I think its not unreasonable to expect Kerry to be in most finals for the next 10 years, and winning between 6 - 7 titles.
Dubs might grab 1/2 more. Mayo might grab 1. Tyrone might grab 1. Anything else probably wont happen.
Hah! Would love that!
Realistically should get to most if not all of next 10 quarters.
Then 7 or 8 semis.
4 to 5 finals.
Then 2 or 3 AIs from that.
Main problem will be replacing current 30+ players like OSe, Maher, Gooch, D Walsh, etc. plus there's nobody in the 20-23 bracket coming through. 2014/2015 minor crop are good few years of development off senior material yet.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 24, 2015, 03:45:05 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 24, 2015, 02:16:32 PM
some going that... fair play. Lets avoid talk of transition as its a bit cute..
With the youth set up paying off, their amazing tradition and also the quick run in, I think its not unreasonable to expect Kerry to be in most finals for the next 10 years, and winning between 6 - 7 titles.
Dubs might grab 1/2 more. Mayo might grab 1. Tyrone might grab 1. Anything else probably wont happen.
Hah! Would love that!
Realistically should get to most if not all of next 10 quarters.
Then 7 or 8 semis.
4 to 5 finals.
Then 2 or 3 AIs from that.
Main problem will be replacing current 30+ players like OSe, Maher, Gooch, D Walsh, etc. plus there's nobody in the 20-23 bracket coming through. 2014/2015 minor crop are good few years of development off senior material yet.
I'd imagine of the 4 teams in the semis, Kerry will have the most retirements this winter. I'm sure those Kerry men thinking it may be their last game will want to go out on a high. Donaghey, Ó Sé, O Mahoney, Galvin must be close to it, never mind the other 30 year olds like Cooper, Walsh & Maher. As most are only subs now, it shouldn't be much of an issue for 2016 if they do go.
Hopefully Tyrone have no one retiring.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 24, 2015, 03:07:26 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 24, 2015, 02:47:41 PM
Is Hughes or Deegan amongst the guys likely to get the all Ireland this year.
As far as I know, neither of the SF refs will get the final so Deegan & McQuillan are ruled out anyway
They'll surely give it to Cormac Reilly if Mayo make it through ;D
Is it going to a FF ref? or worse still a FG man?
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on August 24, 2015, 03:55:26 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 24, 2015, 03:45:05 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 24, 2015, 02:16:32 PM
some going that... fair play. Lets avoid talk of transition as its a bit cute..
With the youth set up paying off, their amazing tradition and also the quick run in, I think its not unreasonable to expect Kerry to be in most finals for the next 10 years, and winning between 6 - 7 titles.
Dubs might grab 1/2 more. Mayo might grab 1. Tyrone might grab 1. Anything else probably wont happen.
Hah! Would love that!
Realistically should get to most if not all of next 10 quarters.
Then 7 or 8 semis.
4 to 5 finals.
Then 2 or 3 AIs from that.
Main problem will be replacing current 30+ players like OSe, Maher, Gooch, D Walsh, etc. plus there's nobody in the 20-23 bracket coming through. 2014/2015 minor crop are good few years of development off senior material yet.
I'd imagine of the 4 teams in the semis, Kerry will have the most retirements this winter. I'm sure those Kerry men thinking it may be their last game will want to go out on a high. Donaghey, Ó Sé, O Mahoney, Galvin must be close to it, never mind the other 30 year olds like Cooper, Walsh & Maher. As most are only subs now, it shouldn't be much of an issue for 2016 if they do go.
Hopefully Tyrone have no one retiring.
If Mayo win the All Ireland, every one of them will retire to go drinking and riding for the rest of his life.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2015, 04:10:14 PM
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on August 24, 2015, 03:55:26 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 24, 2015, 03:45:05 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 24, 2015, 02:16:32 PM
some going that... fair play. Lets avoid talk of transition as its a bit cute..
With the youth set up paying off, their amazing tradition and also the quick run in, I think its not unreasonable to expect Kerry to be in most finals for the next 10 years, and winning between 6 - 7 titles.
Dubs might grab 1/2 more. Mayo might grab 1. Tyrone might grab 1. Anything else probably wont happen.
Hah! Would love that!
Realistically should get to most if not all of next 10 quarters.
Then 7 or 8 semis.
4 to 5 finals.
Then 2 or 3 AIs from that.
Main problem will be replacing current 30+ players like OSe, Maher, Gooch, D Walsh, etc. plus there's nobody in the 20-23 bracket coming through. 2014/2015 minor crop are good few years of development off senior material yet.
I'd imagine of the 4 teams in the semis, Kerry will have the most retirements this winter. I'm sure those Kerry men thinking it may be their last game will want to go out on a high. Donaghey, Ó Sé, O Mahoney, Galvin must be close to it, never mind the other 30 year olds like Cooper, Walsh & Maher. As most are only subs now, it shouldn't be much of an issue for 2016 if they do go.
Hopefully Tyrone have no one retiring.
If Mayo win the All Ireland, every one of them will retire to go drinking and riding for the rest of his life.
;D
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Quote from: Jinxy on August 24, 2015, 08:33:07 AM
Sean Cavanagh: All we want is fair play
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/sean-cavanagh-all-we-want-is-fair-play-31472440.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/sean-cavanagh-all-we-want-is-fair-play-31472440.html)
;D ;D
Sour grapes!
FFS Sean leave post game whinging to the Kerry chairmen and media.
Did Tyrone go to Belfast Opera House last Wednesday night to gain some acting tips?
Another positive of the result yesterday was Fearon losing his bet
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 24, 2015, 06:18:49 PM
Another positive of the result yesterday was Fearon losing his bet
Tony doesnt gamble does he?
Sure that's the work of the devil
Couldnt help thinking of the clinical way Tyrone goaled against Dublin in similar conditions in 2008.
We didn't have that class and ruthlessness yesterday.
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Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2015, 07:06:22 PM
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Extremely bizarre analysis last night on how a still image "proved" it wasn't a penalty, completely forgetting the fact O'Mahony spun him round right before they caught that still. I wonder how many hours they spent analysing it by miliseconds of frames before they could justify the non-award.
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2015, 07:06:22 PM
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and ............... ?
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From the other angle. Note O'Mahony's hand here and McNulty still hasn't tugged his shirt
photoshopped there surely :o
Brian McGuigan:
"Watching it back, I changed my mind but seeing that picture there, McNulty does grab his (Aidan O'Mahony's) jersey and go to the ground very easily."
Quote from: barelegs on August 24, 2015, 07:27:36 PM
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From the other angle. Note O'Mahony's hand here and McNulty still hasn't tugged his shirt
Note O'Mahony's foot as well.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 07:32:30 PM
Quote from: barelegs on August 24, 2015, 07:27:36 PM
(http://www.dmcaphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/IMG_4593a.jpg)
From the other angle. Note O'Mahony's hand here and McNulty still hasn't tugged his shirt
Note O'Mahony's foot as well.
Bomber, is that you on your feet in the crowd looking for the penalty already? :D
Surely the better team is the one that's calm and collected enough to capitalize on the chances it gets?
I haven't seen him mentioned here but I though Donnachadh Walsh was excellent yesterday- the narrative of him being a workhorse ignores consistently intelligent runs and smart, quick ball movement.
Destro take your beating we all laughing at you, the way you going on, If that, if this, seriously catch yourself on, most on here admit Kerry were the better team and i had expected them to beat Tyrone in a game tighter than most expected and said so before the game started.
Kerry were pulling away until Tyrone got what to me is still a 50 50 penalty, seen them given, seen plenty not,
Tyrone were level with about 7-8mins playing time left and Kerry pulled away again. so Tyrone could have pushed on at the end but Kerry had more scoring power on offer from more players
But you keep deluging yourself that you were the better team, you weren't. I still think Donegal would beat Tyrone if they played them
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 24, 2015, 09:11:04 PM
Destro take your beating we all laughing at you, the way you going on, If that, if this, seriously catch yourself on, most on here admit Kerry were the better team and i had expected them to beat Tyrone in a game tighter than most expected and said so before the game started.
Kerry were pulling away until Tyrone got what to me is still a 50 50 penalty, seen them given, seen plenty not,
Tyrone were level with about 7-8mins playing time left and Kerry pulled away again. so Tyrone could have pushed on at the end but Kerry had more scoring power on offer from more players
But you keep deluging yourself that you were the better team, you weren't. I still think Donegal would beat Tyrone if they played them
Nice twist on the reality of the facts.
If Tyrone took the chances they created then they would have won that game, we also had what looked like a certain penalty turned down with 5 minutes to go. We had Kerry at our mercy and we lost the game because we lacked that ruthlessness required, on the balance our performance I felt our game plan worked much better but our wastefulness cost us the result.
If Tyrone had performed as well as the referee, i.e. getting it right most of the time, they would have won. They didn't, although it has been a good year for them.
Does the word 'fact' have a different meaning up north to the rest of the english speaking world? I am guessing it means blanket or RTE bias or something.
Y'know like the word 'mind' means remember or something like that.
yeah you had Kerry at your Mercy at 0-14 - 0-09, how that work out for you`s
Well done to Kerry, they just had that wee bit of extra class and experience on the day. Delighted with Tyrone's performance overall, small margins but taking one of those goal chances made all the difference. Think we just didn't have the confidence to push up on their kickouts earlier in the second half.
The players should just take the result with good grace....say nothing,we don't want to be seen to be doing a Tip!
Can't really blame the referee, he did bottle giving out a couple of Kerry black cards but if we had taken the goal chances on offer it wouldn't have mattered. We also gave a way two points complaining about free kicks that got moved forward which could have been the difference in the end.
I don't really buy into all this Morgan bashing,it didn't work out in the second half but his kick outs were exceptional in the previous games and he was obviously under orders not to hit it long. Once we started kicking long and fought for breaks we looked more dangerous.
The biggest positive is that the confidence is now restored in the team and the county. Onwards and upwards.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 24, 2015, 09:29:00 PM
If Tyrone had performed as well as the referee, i.e. getting it right most of the time, they would have won. They didn't, although it has been a good year for them.
Best description of it yet
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 24, 2015, 09:37:03 PM
yeah you had Kerry at your Mercy at 0-14 - 0-09, how that work out for you`s
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2015, 09:33:10 PM
Does the word 'fact' have a different meaning up north to the rest of the english speaking world? I am guessing it means blanket or RTE bias or something.
Y'know like the word 'mind' has nothing to do with your head and means remember or something like that.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 24, 2015, 09:29:00 PM
If Tyrone had performed as well as the referee, i.e. getting it right most of the time, they would have won. They didn't, although it has been a good year for them.
Ffs lads, alright, it's one lad just having a bit of a rant, it's hardly the whole of Tyrone on here complaining about the defeat. You lads seem to want Tyrone to be kicking up a bigger fuss so you can complain about it.
By the way Armaghniac, I think Tyrones performance reflected the referee's. In general performed ok but just lacked composure when the games big moments came along.
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2015, 09:33:10 PM
Does the word 'fact' have a different meaning up north to the rest of the english speaking world? I am guessing it means blanket or RTE bias or something.
Y'know like the word 'mind' means remember or something like that.
Must be more Tyrone that than "up North". The Belfast ones's used to slag us about mine/mind at least I think that's what it was....
Anyway... what do yous (theres another ;)) call the mass on the monthly anniversary of a death?
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 24, 2015, 10:15:14 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2015, 09:33:10 PM
Does the word 'fact' have a different meaning up north to the rest of the english speaking world? I am guessing it means blanket or RTE bias or something.
Y'know like the word 'mind' means remember or something like that.
Must be more Tyrone that than "up North". The Belfast ones's used to slag us about mine/mind at least I think that's what it was....
Anyway... what do yous (theres another ;)) call the mass on the monthly anniversary of a death?
An excuse for a piss up.
Or a months's mind.
Edit: Actually Wiki has this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Month%27s_Mind (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Month%27s_Mind)
'In medieval and later England, it was a service and feast held one month after the death of anyone in his or her memory. Bede speaks of the day as commemorationis dies. These "Minding days" were of great antiquity, and were survivals of the Norse minne, or ceremonial drinking to the dead.'
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2015, 10:18:31 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 24, 2015, 10:15:14 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 24, 2015, 09:33:10 PM
Does the word 'fact' have a different meaning up north to the rest of the english speaking world? I am guessing it means blanket or RTE bias or something.
Y'know like the word 'mind' means remember or something like that.
Must be more Tyrone that than "up North". The Belfast ones's used to slag us about mine/mind at least I think that's what it was....
Anyway... what do yous (theres another ;)) call the mass on the monthly anniversary of a death?
An excuse for a piss up.
Or a months's mind.
Edit: Actually Wiki has this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Month%27s_Mind (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Month%27s_Mind)
'In medieval and later England, it was a service and feast held one month after the death of anyone in his or her memory. Bede speaks of the day as commemorationis dies. These "Minding days" were of great antiquity, and were survivals of the Norse minne, or ceremonial drinking to the dead.'
But then also I uncovered this Muppet
http://www.woden.org/minne.html
The Gothic man (pl. munum, pret. Munda) signified I think; gaman (pl. gamunum, pret. gamunda) I bethink me, I remember. From the same verb is derived the OHG. Minna = minia amor, minnôn = miniôn amare, to remembered a loved one. In the ON. Language we have the same man, munum, and also minni memoria, minna recordari, but the secondary meaning of amor was never developed.
Anyway interesting article, another indicator of how ancient and persistent our customs in Ireland are and a demonstration of how adaptable Catholicism is to traditions.
On a side note the wiki article also says that mine is still used in Lancashire. I also think I read somewhere previously that craic originated in the North of England
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 07:32:30 PM
Quote from: barelegs on August 24, 2015, 07:27:36 PM
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From the other angle. Note O'Mahony's hand here and McNulty still hasn't tugged his shirt
Note O'Mahony's foot as well.
Before I start, Tyrone lost this game themselves by taking wrong decisions, missing frees at crucial times. We could have been out the gate at half time (McCurry opting to shoot fro a point (wide) when we were 3, maybe 4 on 2, very early on and the McAliskey point that should've been passed off). Lack of goal practice during games came back to haunt us.
However, I'm a bit sick of the selective snipping by The Sunday Game. Who actually brings the things like the grab by McNulty to the attention of the panel? Is it some video editor or do they do it themselves? This is pitiful stuff and all the time TSG is losing credibility due to unreasonable reportage and editing of match highlights. It really is gutter tabloid standard. Even going back to the Monaghan game where crucial incidents like the McAliskey penalty shout and subsequent pointed free were deemed not important for review. Is there an unspoken 'protect the refs' code of conduct deployed by RTE, choosing instead to vilify players, detracting from the crap reffing in every game?
Quote from: barelegs on August 24, 2015, 07:27:36 PM
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From the other angle. Note O'Mahony's hand here and McNulty still hasn't tugged his shirt
Kerry lads have to admit that the likes of Cooper would have felt that arm pull and went down as well. The outcome would have been different, of course he would have got a penalty. If they needed a penalty to get them ahead with 5 minutes to go and instead the Gooch was booked you would never hear the end of it.
No complaints on outcome of the game, just an interesting application of the rules - is this the first ever player to be booked for supposedly diving in the box? Certainly the first I remember in a big game?
With the exception of the parodical Il Bomber Destro, the Tyrone support on here have taken their beating very well. Credit it to them. Tyrone played very well. Not well enough, but they did their county, and themselves, proud.
Quote from: Darby on August 25, 2015, 01:23:20 AM
With the exception of the parodical Il Bomber Destro, the Tyrone support on here have taken their beating very well. Credit it to them. Tyrone played very well. Not well enough, but they did their county, and themselves, proud.
Always the same, take your beating and your a great fella.,
Fed up with that sihi*e
Quote from: Darby on August 25, 2015, 01:23:20 AM
With the exception of the parodical Il Bomber Destro, the Tyrone support on here have taken their beating very well. Credit it to them. Tyrone played very well. Not well enough, but they did their county, and themselves, proud.
The fact that you would use Parodical to describe another poster is worrying, as it would suggest that your not, and the bile you spouted prior to this is your reasoned and honest opinion.
For what its worth, I'm personally taking the defeat horribly as I believe we were capable of, and should have won, but ultimately we only have ourselves to blame.
And BTW your patronising posts are worse than the childish crap coming from the usual suspects about the next Tyrone outrage they found. I would rather have won by diving and kicking Kerry around the pitch (much like what they did) than to have us trot back up the road from an AI semi final listening to thon "Yis did yer county proud" BS
Rant over
Jaysus watched the last 20 or so again. Did somebody say Clark has went backwards? Holy F he was bad, did ye see that leap at the Geaney point near the end? He looked like an elephant on a bouncey castle.
Weirdly the rise of tempo after the goal and Bradley point meant our defence lost our composure a wee bit, rush of blood to the head by too many, needed more cool heads at that point. Big Joe would have been ideal. 4 men looking to disposes Cooper and Maher sneaked past them for the score. That Horse Devlin eejet leapin and roaring about would not have helped either.
The misses from the frees were criminal, as was Sean carrying the ball into a tackle when he should have shot. The McCurry free after the goal had to go over, if that had went over at that point we'd be in and AI final!
Fair play to Kerry tho, kept the cool heads and still had the relentless desire at that point.
The experience will stand to the young lads but feck its hard to swallow when it was within our grasp.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 25, 2015, 04:25:46 AM
Jaysus watched the last 20 or so again. Did somebody say Clark has went backwards? Holy F he was bad, did ye see that leap at the Geaney point near the end? He looked like an elephant on a bouncey castle.
Weirdly the rise of tempo after the goal and Bradley point meant our defence lost our composure a wee bit, rush of blood to the head by too many, needed more cool heads at that point. Big Joe would have been ideal. 4 men looking to disposes Cooper and Maher sneaked past them for the score. That Horse Devlin eejet leapin and roaring about would not have helped either.
The misses from the frees were criminal, as was Sean carrying the ball into a tackle when he should have shot. The McCurry free after the goal had to go over, if that had went over at that point we'd be in and AI final!
Fair play to Kerry tho, kept the cool heads and still had the relentless desire at that point.
The experience will stand to the young lads but feck its hard to swallow when it was within our grasp.
The McNamee black card should not be understated at all, Geaney did make a difference when he came on but overall Justy was doing a decent job on him. When McNamee went off Justy took on Cooper and Clarke was tasked with Geaney and Geaney destroyed him, Clarke was way off him and Geaney won every single ball with comfort. As I said earlier, he looks to have had packed on far too much muscle up top. Looked a shadow of the player he was two years ago, hopefully it's just some rustiness from his injury.
Whilst we can point out why Tyrone became weakened, lets not forget Kerry who proved they were great all Ireland champions by seeing out this game in composed style. We lost our composure at the end and lacked that know how. Kerry had it in spades against a very tough challenge.
Why is it after nearly every game involving a Tyrone county or club team we end up analysing photographs with a magnifying glass?
It's like the cuban missile crisis.
(http://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/10/15/1350324465025/Cuban-missile-crisis-defe-008.jpg?w=620&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=f2cf2aa29fc7c4c936bb11bb96bc1766)
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 25, 2015, 03:47:09 AM
Quote from: Darby on August 25, 2015, 01:23:20 AM
With the exception of the parodical Il Bomber Destro, the Tyrone support on here have taken their beating very well. Credit it to them. Tyrone played very well. Not well enough, but they did their county, and themselves, proud.
The fact that you would use Parodical to describe another poster is worrying, as it would suggest that your not, and the bile you spouted prior to this is your reasoned and honest opinion.
For what its worth, I'm personally taking the defeat horribly as I believe we were capable of, and should have won, but ultimately we only have ourselves to blame.
And BTW your patronising posts are worse than the childish crap coming from the usual suspects about the next Tyrone outrage they found. I would rather have won by diving and kicking Kerry around the pitch (much like what they did) than to have us trot back up the road from an AI semi final listening to thon "Yis did yer county proud" BS
Rant over
balls
Could have won would be accurate.
Say what you like about the Tyronies, but they make it interesting on here. Interesting, frustrating, annoying but mostly interesting.
If we didn't have the likes of Mayo, Roscommon and Tyrone, things would be quiet here.
Quote from: JoG2 on August 25, 2015, 10:04:01 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 25, 2015, 03:47:09 AM
Quote from: Darby on August 25, 2015, 01:23:20 AM
With the exception of the parodical Il Bomber Destro, the Tyrone support on here have taken their beating very well. Credit it to them. Tyrone played very well. Not well enough, but they did their county, and themselves, proud.
The fact that you would use Parodical to describe another poster is worrying, as it would suggest that your not, and the bile you spouted prior to this is your reasoned and honest opinion.
For what its worth, I'm personally taking the defeat horribly as I believe we were capable of, and should have won, but ultimately we only have ourselves to blame.
And BTW your patronising posts are worse than the childish crap coming from the usual suspects about the next Tyrone outrage they found. I would rather have won by diving and kicking Kerry around the pitch (much like what they did) than to have us trot back up the road from an AI semi final listening to thon "Yis did yer county proud" BS
Rant over
balls
Not balls.
We had the chances alone to win that game, not taking into account the decisions that went against us, particularly the penalty with 5 mins to go that would put us 2 points up.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 25, 2015, 10:07:11 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 25, 2015, 10:04:01 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 25, 2015, 03:47:09 AM
Quote from: Darby on August 25, 2015, 01:23:20 AM
With the exception of the parodical Il Bomber Destro, the Tyrone support on here have taken their beating very well. Credit it to them. Tyrone played very well. Not well enough, but they did their county, and themselves, proud.
The fact that you would use Parodical to describe another poster is worrying, as it would suggest that your not, and the bile you spouted prior to this is your reasoned and honest opinion.
For what its worth, I'm personally taking the defeat horribly as I believe we were capable of, and should have won, but ultimately we only have ourselves to blame.
And BTW your patronising posts are worse than the childish crap coming from the usual suspects about the next Tyrone outrage they found. I would rather have won by diving and kicking Kerry around the pitch (much like what they did) than to have us trot back up the road from an AI semi final listening to thon "Yis did yer county proud" BS
Rant over
balls
Not balls.
We had the chances alone to win that game, not taking into account the decisions that went against us, particularly the penalty with 5 mins to go that would put us 2 points up.
why do people think that pointing out poor play somehow excuses it,
if frees are missed thats poor play
if some one doesn't shoot thats poor play
if you give away soft scorable frees thats poor play ETC. EtC.
you cant just wish them away and say we should have won in most game both teams have enough chances to win.
The team that takes them wins and are 'The better Team'
One of the most interesting aspects of the game from a neutral perspective was the ability of the Tyrone management to turn off the sledging/bad mouthing, diving and other forms of cheating for this game. Virtually, no Tyrone player fell to the ground clutching his face or rolled/writhed in apparent agony at the slightest contact.
This shows that the management has control of such behaviour.
Good to see the referee taking the time to send the Tyrone assistant manager off the field on one of his many excursions, not many referees monitor this level of interference.
Quote from: Disillusioned on August 25, 2015, 10:32:55 AM
One of the most interesting aspects of the game from a neutral perspective was the ability of the Tyrone management to turn off the sledging/bad mouthing, diving and other forms of cheating for this game. Virtually, no Tyrone player fell to the ground clutching his face or rolled/writhed in apparent agony at the slightest contact.
This shows that the management has control of such behaviour.
Good to see the referee taking the time to send the Tyrone assistant manager off the field on one of his many excursions, not many referees monitor this level of interference.
I don't accept your premise that the management team are turning it off or on. What I would say is given the furore over the Monaghan game Harte probably warned them to keep it all in check. Sledging seems to be part and parcel of modern day hurling and football. I don't for a minute accept that Tyrone are the only team at it, or the free buying for that matter. I was gratified in the minor match and I think also in the senior game to see the refs pick up on a couple of players arm grabbing, unfortunately 99% of this behaviour is rewarded.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 25, 2015, 10:07:11 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 25, 2015, 10:04:01 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 25, 2015, 03:47:09 AM
Quote from: Darby on August 25, 2015, 01:23:20 AM
With the exception of the parodical Il Bomber Destro, the Tyrone support on here have taken their beating very well. Credit it to them. Tyrone played very well. Not well enough, but they did their county, and themselves, proud.
The fact that you would use Parodical to describe another poster is worrying, as it would suggest that your not, and the bile you spouted prior to this is your reasoned and honest opinion.
For what its worth, I'm personally taking the defeat horribly as I believe we were capable of, and should have won, but ultimately we only have ourselves to blame.
And BTW your patronising posts are worse than the childish crap coming from the usual suspects about the next Tyrone outrage they found. I would rather have won by diving and kicking Kerry around the pitch (much like what they did) than to have us trot back up the road from an AI semi final listening to thon "Yis did yer county proud" BS
Rant over
balls
Not balls.
We had the chances alone to win that game, not taking into account the decisions that went against us, particularly the penalty with 5 mins to go that would put us 2 points up.
You're all about the ifs. If this and if that had have happened we would have won. However, you just assume you would have scored the penalty had it been awarded. If the penalty as awarded and if you scored then you would have been 2 up. There is no guarantee you would have scored a goal from the penalty
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2015, 09:32:40 AM
Why is it after nearly every game involving a Tyrone county or club team we end up analysing photographs with a magnifying glass?
It's like the cuban missile crisis.
(http://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/10/15/1350324465025/Cuban-missile-crisis-defe-008.jpg?w=620&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=f2cf2aa29fc7c4c936bb11bb96bc1766)
;D
Zapruder type footage from JFK would be more useful.
Watch it again, McNulty going back to his left, tackle from the front and right, totally inconsistent with the shot from the hairgel depository, Again - back and to the left, ..........back and to the left.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 25, 2015, 10:59:30 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2015, 09:32:40 AM
Why is it after nearly every game involving a Tyrone county or club team we end up analysing photographs with a magnifying glass?
It's like the cuban missile crisis.
(http://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/10/15/1350324465025/Cuban-missile-crisis-defe-008.jpg?w=620&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=f2cf2aa29fc7c4c936bb11bb96bc1766)
;D
Zapruder type footage from JFK would be more useful.
Watch it again, McNulty going back to his left, tackle from the front and right, totally inconsistent with the shot from the hairgel depository, Again - back and to the left, ..........back and to the left.
Must have failed physics in school, did you?
McNulty is moving away from Kealy, O'Mahony has his foot in front of his shin in the direction he's moving and his arm pulling back McNulty's left hand. It's a clear foul, this was after O'Mahony tried to take a piggy back on him just outside the box.
Good Jaysis lads, take your beating. I was around the board for the aftermath of 03 and this is even more infantile than that.
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 25, 2015, 10:59:09 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 25, 2015, 10:07:11 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 25, 2015, 10:04:01 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 25, 2015, 03:47:09 AM
Quote from: Darby on August 25, 2015, 01:23:20 AM
With the exception of the parodical Il Bomber Destro, the Tyrone support on here have taken their beating very well. Credit it to them. Tyrone played very well. Not well enough, but they did their county, and themselves, proud.
The fact that you would use Parodical to describe another poster is worrying, as it would suggest that your not, and the bile you spouted prior to this is your reasoned and honest opinion.
For what its worth, I'm personally taking the defeat horribly as I believe we were capable of, and should have won, but ultimately we only have ourselves to blame.
And BTW your patronising posts are worse than the childish crap coming from the usual suspects about the next Tyrone outrage they found. I would rather have won by diving and kicking Kerry around the pitch (much like what they did) than to have us trot back up the road from an AI semi final listening to thon "Yis did yer county proud" BS
Rant over
balls
Not balls.
We had the chances alone to win that game, not taking into account the decisions that went against us, particularly the penalty with 5 mins to go that would put us 2 points up.
You're all about the ifs. If this and if that had have happened we would have won. However, you just assume you would have scored the penalty had it been awarded. If the penalty as awarded and if you scored then you would have been 2 up. There is no guarantee you would have scored a goal from the penalty
Since we're also assuming no change whatsoever from Kerry in response to conceding another goal (we saw how that worked out the first time) I think it's fair to say we would have scored the same three points again and won by a point anyway at the level of analysis der bomber is operating on.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 25, 2015, 11:03:15 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 25, 2015, 10:59:30 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2015, 09:32:40 AM
Why is it after nearly every game involving a Tyrone county or club team we end up analysing photographs with a magnifying glass?
It's like the cuban missile crisis.
(http://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/10/15/1350324465025/Cuban-missile-crisis-defe-008.jpg?w=620&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=f2cf2aa29fc7c4c936bb11bb96bc1766)
;D
Zapruder type footage from JFK would be more useful.
Watch it again, McNulty going back to his left, tackle from the front and right, totally inconsistent with the shot from the hairgel depository, Again - back and to the left, ..........back and to the left.
Must have failed physics in school, did you?
McNulty is moving away from Kealy, O'Mahony has his foot in front of his shin in the direction he's moving and his arm pulling back McNulty's left hand. It's a clear foul, this was after O'Mahony tried to take a piggy back on him just outside the box.
Clearly O'Mahony's hand makes contact with McNulty's back, heads downwards at an angle of 17 degrees. It then moves upward in order to move away from McNulty's body from the front of his neck. His hand then waits 1.6 seconds, turns right and continues into McNulty's body at the rear an his armpit, contact no. 3, then the hand heads downward at an angle of 27 degrees, hits McNulty's rib and leaves from the right side of his chest, contact 4 and 5. It then hits McNulty's wrist, contact no. 6, then hits his left thigh. That's some magic hand.
Bomber you have to be commended son, you're fighting a good fight!!! You're not even 3 weeks on the board and you're turning into legend material!
As the old saying goes if ifs and ands were pots and pans, there'd be no work for tinkers' hands though so you can surmise what may or may not have happened all you like. In every game every team has chances they don't take, decisions that go against them, mistakes by their players, the weather, injuries whatever and it's how they react to the different organic variables that determine if they win or don't. If you take Kerry they could easily say that Gooch and Donagy were quiet and that O'Donoughue was not as dynamic as he can be and was still feeling his shoulder injury. If these men had played to the peak of their ability then they would have won with some more to spare. They have more quality than Tyrone simple as that. If a more skillful team can match a hard working team for work-rate and endeavor and take the opportunities that they are offered then 9 times out of 10 the better team wins and this happened Sunday and there's no way of getting round that.
You could give Tyrone the four goals they missed (we won't even take McAliskey's point off him) and add in Kerry's 12 missed scoring opportunities and we still won by four points.
The games over. FFS move on. Its getting embarrassing.
Be content to know that Tyrone put up a good show. theres enough talent there to be positive about the future. They are probably a few years ahead in terms of rebuilding than most people anticipated.
All the moaning in the world, wont change the result.
Lock the thread ! Good luck Kerry !
Quote from: Bensars on August 25, 2015, 11:20:02 AM
Lock the thread !
Hear, hear! Time for looking forward not backwards.
Had no dog in the fight . Reckon neither of the 2 incidents were penalties.
The Tyrone forwards of the 00s would have scored at least 2 goals (probably 3) last Sunday and possibly 3 or 4 more points. That imo anyway is the difference between last Sunday and the 3 Kerry games that decade.
Listen most in Tyrone say we were beat fair and square, a lot of the other chatting coming from other counties and the odd one who can't let it go.
Kerry beat us and I personally don't think looked like losing in the 2nd half. We need 2 scoring fwds and a free taker. Its been obvious from the outset that the ones we have would crack under pressure.
We will be back, big cav will stay on and I think we will be a real danger next year. Will be hard though playing from div 2.
Goodluck to Kerry, not fussed who wins from this point
Quote from: Disillusioned on August 25, 2015, 10:32:55 AM
One of the most interesting aspects of the game from a neutral perspective was the ability of the Tyrone management to turn off the sledging/bad mouthing, diving and other forms of cheating for this game. Virtually, no Tyrone player fell to the ground clutching his face or rolled/writhed in apparent agony at the slightest contact.
This shows that the management has control of such behaviour.
Good to see the referee taking the time to send the Tyrone assistant manager off the field on one of his many excursions, not many referees monitor this level of interference.
I'm surprised there has been so little comment about this. It was remarkable. Even Sean Cavanagh seemed to be able to keep his arms from flapping up and down.
I have no way of knowing whether the management controls it or not. But I hope they take the right lesson from this and don't conclude, "We lost - that's what playing straight gets you".
Sean didn't know what to do with himself on Sunday.
He's not used to sustaining verticality for any great length of time
Quote from: Hardy on August 25, 2015, 11:31:22 AM
Quote from: Disillusioned on August 25, 2015, 10:32:55 AM
One of the most interesting aspects of the game from a neutral perspective was the ability of the Tyrone management to turn off the sledging/bad mouthing, diving and other forms of cheating for this game. Virtually, no Tyrone player fell to the ground clutching his face or rolled/writhed in apparent agony at the slightest contact.
This shows that the management has control of such behaviour.
Good to see the referee taking the time to send the Tyrone assistant manager off the field on one of his many excursions, not many referees monitor this level of interference.
I'm surprised there has been so little comment about this. It was remarkable. Even Sean Cavanagh seemed to be able to keep his arms from flapping up and down.
I have no way of knowing whether the management controls it or not. But I hope they take the right lesson from this and don't conclude, "We lost - that's what playing straight gets you".
I think it was clear evidence that if you make a big song and dance about a teams dickhead behaviour they will stop it!!
Keep 'er lit Sunday Game/Joe Brolly/Southern Meeja. . . we'll have the game cleaned up in no time!
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Quote from: Disillusioned on August 25, 2015, 10:32:55 AM
One of the most interesting aspects of the game from a neutral perspective was the ability of the Tyrone management to turn off the sledging/bad mouthing, diving and other forms of cheating for this game. Virtually, no Tyrone player fell to the ground clutching his face or rolled/writhed in apparent agony at the slightest contact.
This shows that the management has control of such behaviour.
Good to see the referee taking the time to send the Tyrone assistant manager off the field on one of his many excursions, not many referees monitor this level of interference.
I'm surprised there has been so little comment about this. It was remarkable. Even Sean Cavanagh seemed to be able to keep his arms from flapping up and down.
I have no way of knowing whether the management controls it or not. But I hope they take the right lesson from this and don't conclude, "We lost - that's what playing straight gets you".
(http://c8.alamy.com/comp/AYAKE4/uk-cotswold-model-car-club-man-with-remote-control-AYAKE4.jpg)
Sean Cavanagh's 'arm controller' is now looking for a new job!!!
I don't think I'd subscribe to the idea that Tyrone are back in the top tier. We have a tendency in the GAA to confer top 4 status on the four semi finalists regardless of their path there or their record in the last 18 months. I only saw highlights of the game so can't comment on Tyrone's performance last Sunday but a team's path to success is rarely straight forward. Young lads like Bradley and Meyler wouldn't be the first to make a splash in their first season and then struggle for 2 or 3 before coming good again. There's an issue with the goalkeeper and Tyrone conceded 18 points in torrential rain while playing lots of bodies back. As far as I can see they don't have any really top defenders, Harte's a top footballer but not a top defender, a poor ball winning midfield (though two fine footballers) and a physically small forward line. They are probably at the head of the chasing pack but could as easily be caught by some of those teams as easily as they might break into the genuine All Ireland contender category.
I doubt the credentials and commentary from a man who didn't even watch the all Ireland semi final lol.
Love all these lesser counties taking pot shots at tyrone and sean cav. He has clearly broke a lot of hearts over the 14 years he has been playing. every single one of you would dream to have him in your team
Quote from: redhandefender on August 25, 2015, 12:04:46 PM
I doubt the credentials and commentary from a man who didn't even watch the all Ireland semi final lol.
Love all these lesser counties taking pot shots at tyrone and sean cav. He has clearly broke a lot of hearts over the 14 years he has been playing. every single one of you would dream to have him in your team
Would you now??? I missed it due to the underage team I coach having a game but if you'd take the view of an armchair pundit more seriously than one involved in the game at all levels for many years then more luck to you.
Only a Tyrone man could take a post that basically says you're probably 5th or 6th in the country at the moment and not top 4 yet as having a pop.
Quote from: barelegs on August 24, 2015, 07:27:36 PM
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From the other angle. Note O'Mahony's hand here and McNulty still hasn't tugged his shirt
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Note left hand/arm on back and neck, right arm about to grab O'Sé's right arm, look at Mark McHugh in deep concentration giving O'Sé's left boot the evil eye.........
Quote from: Disillusioned on August 25, 2015, 10:32:55 AM
One of the most interesting aspects of the game from a neutral perspective was the ability of the Tyrone management to turn off the sledging/bad mouthing, diving and other forms of cheating for this game. Virtually, no Tyrone player fell to the ground clutching his face or rolled/writhed in apparent agony at the slightest contact.
This shows that the management has control of such behaviour.
Good to see the referee taking the time to send the Tyrone assistant manager off the field on one of his many excursions, not many referees monitor this level of interference.
How do you know there was no sledging?
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Still not certain that's a red.
Then there is no hope. That sort of thing has no place in the game. It was a piece of cowardly thuggery.
Ah ffs, don't start the shite again, it was a late hit. It happens at every grade in nearly every contact sport. McNabb was flying across because he thought Gooch was in on goal. His momentum carried him through Gooch. It wasn't nice but no need to start another witch hunt.
I don't think it was red - mcnabb was coming across full tilt to shoulder him, and gooch dives to get extra momentum in his fisted effort at the last minute, so theres a bad connection. Its clear on the video. The only intent from mcnabb was to challenge him fairly.
;D ;D
Quote from: Zulu on August 25, 2015, 11:59:23 AM
I don't think I'd subscribe to the idea that Tyrone are back in the top tier. We have a tendency in the GAA to confer top 4 status on the four semi finalists regardless of their path there or their record in the last 18 months. I only saw highlights of the game so can't comment on Tyrone's performance last Sunday but a team's path to success is rarely straight forward. Young lads like Bradley and Meyler wouldn't be the first to make a splash in their first season and then struggle for 2 or 3 before coming good again. There's an issue with the goalkeeper and Tyrone conceded 18 points in torrential rain while playing lots of bodies back. As far as I can see they don't have any really top defenders, Harte's a top footballer but not a top defender, a poor ball winning midfield (though two fine footballers) and a physically small forward line. They are probably at the head of the chasing pack but could as easily be caught by some of those teams as easily as they might break into the genuine All Ireland contender category.
I'd agree but we'll have to wait until next year for confirmation.
Quote from: easytiger95 on August 25, 2015, 11:13:00 AM
Good Jaysis lads, take your beating. I was around the board for the aftermath of 03 and this is even more infantile than that.
I think that should be directed at one person in particular
Tyrone gave it an almighty crack on Sunday and yes,we did miss our share of chances but that doesn't hide the fact that the better team with the classier forwards won the game.McCurry,McAliskey and Bradley are all good forwards but lack the killer instinct of the marquee forwards that Kerry,Dublin and Mayo have.
Looking forward to next season.The likes of Armagh,Derry and Fermanagh will provide us with some tough derby games in division 2.I would expect a few more of the u-21s to be introduced.The likes of McGeary and Cassidy would fit well into Tyrone's running game.Would like to see how Lee Brennan would cope with the step up to seniors also.Conan Grugan has been playing very well for Omagh and I would like to see him back in.As someone else on the thread said,it's arguable if we're top 4 or not but great strides have been made this year in comparison to last year.
Quote from: haranguerer on August 25, 2015, 01:04:48 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 23, 2015, 09:16:04 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 23, 2015, 09:12:23 PM
Quote from: beer baron on August 23, 2015, 09:09:56 PM
Still not certain that's a red.
Then there is no hope. That sort of thing has no place in the game. It was a piece of cowardly thuggery.
Ah ffs, don't start the shite again, it was a late hit. It happens at every grade in nearly every contact sport. McNabb was flying across because he thought Gooch was in on goal. His momentum carried him through Gooch. It wasn't nice but no need to start another witch hunt.
I don't think it was red - mcnabb was coming across full tilt to shoulder him, and gooch dives to get extra momentum in his fisted effort at the last minute, so theres a bad connection. Its clear on the video. The only intent from mcnabb was to challenge him fairly.
You do realise that it was a trip by McMahon that caused Cooper to fall forward like that.
It wasn't, he was launching himself to propel the ball over the bar.
But even if it had been, that wouldn't change the point re McNabb.
Quote from: Estimator on August 25, 2015, 01:28:50 PMYou do realise that it was a trip by McMahon that caused Cooper to fall forward like that.
I suggest you look at the incident again
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 25, 2015, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 25, 2015, 01:28:50 PMYou do realise that it was a trip by McMahon that caused Cooper to fall forward like that.
I suggest you look at the incident again
Yeah, I didn't think it looked like he had been tripped by McMahon
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 25, 2015, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 25, 2015, 01:28:50 PMYou do realise that it was a trip by McMahon that caused Cooper to fall forward like that.
I suggest you look at the incident again
I've watched it numerous times. You can see the GIF of the incident on balls.ie. Cooper is running towards the endline. McMahon chases him down, he dives towards Cooper connecting with his leg, which is the point where Cooper moves forward to be caught by McNabb.
boys would ye's ever quit stickin pictures up they mean feckin nothing.
Quote from: Estimator on August 25, 2015, 01:51:33 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 25, 2015, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 25, 2015, 01:28:50 PMYou do realise that it was a trip by McMahon that caused Cooper to fall forward like that.
I suggest you look at the incident again
I've watched it numerous times. You can see the GIF of the incident on balls.ie. Cooper is running towards the endline. McMahon chases him down, he dives towards Cooper connecting with his leg, which is the point where Cooper moves forward to be caught by McNabb.
Just watched it again there and it's clear as day that Gooch was diving forward to fist the ball over the bar! McNabbs tackle was definitely late and dangerous, whether he meant it or not, it was a red
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 25, 2015, 01:51:49 PM
boys would ye's ever quit stickin pictures up they mean feckin nothing.
That photo shows the ball is gone before McNabb gets near Cooper.
This shows a shoulder to the head of Cooper while he falls: http://gfycat.com/LastingConstantIbisbill (http://gfycat.com/LastingConstantIbisbill)
Red card and all of Tyrone should be fuming with McNabb. It put the lead from 2 points to 3 and wasted a minute at a crucial time.
Quote from: muppet on August 25, 2015, 02:00:46 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 25, 2015, 01:51:49 PM
boys would ye's ever quit stickin pictures up they mean feckin nothing.
That photo shows the ball is gone before McNabb gets near Cooper.
This shows a shoulder to the head of Cooper while he falls: http://gfycat.com/LastingConstantIbisbill (http://gfycat.com/LastingConstantIbisbill)
Red card and all of Tyrone should be fuming with McNabb. It put the lead from 2 points to 3 and wasted a minute at a crucial time.
I believe he was referring to the fact that Cooper was tripped by McMahon not that McNabb shouldn't have gotten a red
Quote from: muppet on August 25, 2015, 02:00:46 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 25, 2015, 01:51:49 PM
boys would ye's ever quit stickin pictures up they mean feckin nothing.
That photo shows the ball is gone before McNabb gets near Cooper.
This shows a shoulder to the head of Cooper while he falls: http://gfycat.com/LastingConstantIbisbill (http://gfycat.com/LastingConstantIbisbill)
Red card and all of Tyrone should be fuming with McNabb. It put the lead from 2 points to 3 and wasted a minute at a crucial time.
What about Darren O'Sullivan's?
ach we knew McNabb made a feckin cod, ye cud see it in realtime nevermind anything, the ball had went wide and him lookin a dig at Cooper cost us a valuable point and about 3mins at the most crucial of times, it was an awful move from McNabb - who along with McMahon I thought had a superb game before that.
But...
These still shots of boys holdin jerseys or men lyin down with an arm out is complete nonsense, watch a video urself or whatever bt pictures can be interpreted a million different ways and it just opens this board up to absolute dead end arguments about feck all and its bad enough as it is
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 25, 2015, 02:06:33 PMThese still shots of boys holdin jerseys or men lyin down with an arm out is complete nonsense, watch a video urself or whatever bt pictures can be interpreted a million different ways and it just opens this board up to absolute dead end arguments about feck all and its bad enough as it is
Pure nonsense :D
(http://i.imgur.com/oz9rVum.png)
Quoteit was an awful move from McNabb - who along with McMahon I thought had a superb game before that.
He also cost Tyrone the 5th Kerry point by getting the free brought forward.
It takes a few seasons / lessons for a team to overcome indiscipline or indiscipline mixed with stupidity. We had it in buckets last year and it probably cost us the All Ireland, the Dubs had it a few years back.
Kerry still have it but are cuter at it than everyone else and always seem to get away with it, time is running out from some of them Kerry lads though and I expect the final will sort the likes of Enright out.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 25, 2015, 02:14:07 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 25, 2015, 02:06:33 PMThese still shots of boys holdin jerseys or men lyin down with an arm out is complete nonsense, watch a video urself or whatever bt pictures can be interpreted a million different ways and it just opens this board up to absolute dead end arguments about feck all and its bad enough as it is
Pure nonsense :D
(http://i.imgur.com/oz9rVum.png)
... thought that's what you were getting at, very good. That's the Declan boyo though, not Darren.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 12:49:57 PM
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Quote from: macdanger2 on August 24, 2015, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost.
Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 24, 2015, 12:28:40 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
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Here's the Stats from yesterday. Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost. Kerry though created more scoring chances and were better at converting them than Tyrone, but only marginally in terms of % wise both around the 50% conversion rate. Same amount of wides. Kerry better at the frees. Tyrone better at the turnovers but only just. If you look at this you can see that Kerry were the better side. They were comfortable up to the penalty and that gave Tyrone a bit of hope, but Kerry were never losing it. More clinical, simple as that.
The difference is 4 of our scoring chances were goal chances so your stats are misleading. We had 4 goal chances and Kerry had none.
So add an extra 8 points onto chances created and that leaves Tyrone 27 to Kerry's 24.
But you didn't take them!!! Get over it son, youse were beaten by a better team.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 24, 2015, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 24, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost.
Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those
Good maths Mac, monday and all that!! Telling though that they lost 10 of their own kickouts, criminal stuff that.
Well you need to settle on argument first. Tyrone had the more chances, the better chances but let Kerry off the hook. In reality they were at our mercy, there is definitely regret there in the fact we didn't take our chances but it was a case of us having Kerry at our mercy and just not having that ruthlessness.
We let Kerry away with it.
What exactly is your point?
You had chances, you weren't good enough to take your chances, kerry were better at taking their chances (although they missed chances too), scored more and won the game.
Keep in mind too, that of the 4 goal chances (I can only remember 3 but I believe you!) two were blocked/saved - one by marc oSe and one by kealy. So you could argue good defending by kerry (albeit last ditch defending).
I would that there has never been a game yet where the losing team cannot point out chances that if they had taken they could have won the game!
Im saying it's our own fault we lost rather than Kerry out classing us. I thought we definitely had the beating of them yesterday but shot ourselves in the football. People are speaking as if Kerry were on another level to us yesterday but the truth is we had them beaten if we had that little bit more composure and clinical finishing
Very disappointing.
And this is the precise reason why Kerry were on a different level to Tyrone.
I wouldn't say a different level Franko, not only did Kerry allow Tyrone to create 4 clear goal scoring chances and panicked twice in the box leading to penalty incidents, they didn't even create any goal scoring chances themselves against the first decent defence they've faced. Better team on the day? Yes! On a different level? No way!
Tyrone simply were not good enough. They just about stayed in the game. Kerry weren't world beaters either. Hopefully this siege mentality will fade. It's ridiculous.... I bet they won't like brolly weighing in defending them... They can't claim siege mentality when others stick up for them. Was asking to a tyrone man and he said it was Tyrone against the rest of ireland. Arrogance I thought.
Quote from: outside-the-wire on August 25, 2015, 05:34:29 PM
Tyrone simply were not good enough. They just about stayed in the game. Kerry weren't world beaters either. Hopefully this siege mentality will fade. It's ridiculous.... I bet they won't like brolly weighing in defending them... They can't claim siege mentality when others stick up for them. Was asking to a tyrone man and he said it was Tyrone against the rest of ireland. Arrogance I thought.
Your contribution has been invaluable on this board since the Monaghan game, I trust that since Tyrone are out now you will have nothing more to offer?
Quote from: Hardy on August 25, 2015, 11:31:22 AM
Quote from: Disillusioned on August 25, 2015, 10:32:55 AM
One of the most interesting aspects of the game from a neutral perspective was the ability of the Tyrone management to turn off the sledging/bad mouthing, diving and other forms of cheating for this game. Virtually, no Tyrone player fell to the ground clutching his face or rolled/writhed in apparent agony at the slightest contact.
This shows that the management has control of such behaviour.
Good to see the referee taking the time to send the Tyrone assistant manager off the field on one of his many excursions, not many referees monitor this level of interference.
I'm surprised there has been so little comment about this. It was remarkable. Even Sean Cavanagh seemed to be able to keep his arms from flapping up and down.
I have no way of knowing whether the management controls it or not. But I hope they take the right lesson from this and don't conclude, "We lost - that's what playing straight gets you".
So it now appears that the lack of any significant sledging on Sunday is further evidence that sledging is orchestrated in Tyrone
::)
Grow up lads
Quote from: rosnarun on August 25, 2015, 10:21:31 AM
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With the exception of the parodical Il Bomber Destro, the Tyrone support on here have taken their beating very well. Credit it to them. Tyrone played very well. Not well enough, but they did their county, and themselves, proud.
The fact that you would use Parodical to describe another poster is worrying, as it would suggest that your not, and the bile you spouted prior to this is your reasoned and honest opinion.
For what its worth, I'm personally taking the defeat horribly as I believe we were capable of, and should have won, but ultimately we only have ourselves to blame.
And BTW your patronising posts are worse than the childish crap coming from the usual suspects about the next Tyrone outrage they found. I would rather have won by diving and kicking Kerry around the pitch (much like what they did) than to have us trot back up the road from an AI semi final listening to thon "Yis did yer county proud" BS
Rant over
balls
Not balls.
We had the chances alone to win that game, not taking into account the decisions that went against us, particularly the penalty with 5 mins to go that would put us 2 points up.
why do people think that pointing out poor play somehow excuses it,
if frees are missed thats poor play
if some one doesn't shoot thats poor play
if you give away soft scorable frees thats poor play ETC. EtC.
you cant just wish them away and say we should have won in most game both teams have enough chances to win.
The team that takes them wins and are 'The better Team'
Isnt that exactly what we are talking about, we should have won because we should have done ...x,y and z? Such as 4 frees on the 45 in the last 10 and nothing from them?
But we didnt deserve to win because we didnt do x, y and z and Kerry did deserve to win because they did do x y and z
IF we done those things we SHOULD have done, we WOULD have won. Is the logic that hard to grasp lads?
Its not saying we deserved to win or anything else, so stop trying to take something from what whats been said thats not.
Quote from: Hardy on August 25, 2015, 11:31:22 AM
Quote from: Disillusioned on August 25, 2015, 10:32:55 AM
One of the most interesting aspects of the game from a neutral perspective was the ability of the Tyrone management to turn off the sledging/bad mouthing, diving and other forms of cheating for this game. Virtually, no Tyrone player fell to the ground clutching his face or rolled/writhed in apparent agony at the slightest contact.
This shows that the management has control of such behaviour.
Good to see the referee taking the time to send the Tyrone assistant manager off the field on one of his many excursions, not many referees monitor this level of interference.
I'm surprised there has been so little comment about this. It was remarkable. Even Sean Cavanagh seemed to be able to keep his arms from flapping up and down.
I have no way of knowing whether the management controls it or not. But I hope they take the right lesson from this and don't conclude, "We lost - that's what playing straight gets you".
Or maybe, like we've been telling you all, it was always just somebody else's fault? Those Monaghan hoors could rile a saint ;)
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 25, 2015, 06:15:06 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 25, 2015, 11:31:22 AM
Quote from: Disillusioned on August 25, 2015, 10:32:55 AM
One of the most interesting aspects of the game from a neutral perspective was the ability of the Tyrone management to turn off the sledging/bad mouthing, diving and other forms of cheating for this game. Virtually, no Tyrone player fell to the ground clutching his face or rolled/writhed in apparent agony at the slightest contact.
This shows that the management has control of such behaviour.
Good to see the referee taking the time to send the Tyrone assistant manager off the field on one of his many excursions, not many referees monitor this level of interference.
I'm surprised there has been so little comment about this. It was remarkable. Even Sean Cavanagh seemed to be able to keep his arms from flapping up and down.
I have no way of knowing whether the management controls it or not. But I hope they take the right lesson from this and don't conclude, "We lost - that's what playing straight gets you".
So it now appears that the lack of any significant sledging on Sunday is further evidence that sledging is orchestrated in Tyrone
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Grow up lads
When they changed the rules to prohibit stamping on heads etc (not to be confused with manliness) it cleaned up the game no end but some counties have hardly won a game since.
Quote from: barelegs on August 24, 2015, 09:46:15 AM
John Bannon didn't think much of Deegan's refereeing
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/john-bannon-maurice-deegan-display-erratic-349833.html
Almost fell off my chair when I read this.
That would be John Bannon, the worst referee in the history of the universe? The one who reffed the Kerry-Armagh drawn semi-final in 2000? I never saw anything as bizarre before and hope I never do again.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 25, 2015, 03:18:01 PM
I wouldn't say a different level Franko, not only did Kerry allow Tyrone to create 4 clear goal scoring chances and panicked twice in the box leading to penalty incidents, they didn't even create any goal scoring chances themselves against the first decent defence they've faced. Better team on the day? Yes! On a different level? No way!
Regarding the goal scoring opportunities. Tyrone should definitely had two from play. One in the first half when the pass across goals was on and the one that Kealey saved in the second.
Kerry didn't seem keen on manufacturing goal scoring opportunities, apart from two high balls into Donaghy very little ball hit the ff line in the first half. That could very well be down to the Tyrone defence or a definite tactic from Kerry. Everyone in the country was pointing to Tyrone's lack of goals before the game, maybe the Kerry management felt that keeping the score board ticking over was more important than the goals.
Kerry did score two fisted points and Cooper had an attempt at a fisted point, so it's not as if the Kerry attack didn't get close enough to have an attempt. Though these were not as clear cut as Tyrone's.
Still fairly pissed off with Paddy Russell in 95. And that was a free on Donaghy in 86.
I really wish that it was possible to put a nonsense filter in these post-match sections..so much idiotic stuff from a variety of sources. Posting photos, making sweeping statements, vitriolic remarks etc.
Kerry and Tyrone played a good game of ball in shit conditions on Sunday. Very few instances of idiotic behaviour, thankfully, both teams had positives and negatives to take out of game. Kerry happened to be that bit better on the day (despite my bias, surely that is only a logical view?) but with 10 mins to go, it was all to play for, so it was as tight game.
I've watched the game back a couple of times now (I was in the Upper Hogan aswell Sunday) and it hasn't altered my view from the day that Kerry made it harder than it should have been for themselves.
- Kealy kicking long when 2-3 Kerry defenders were completely free.
- Seemingly no plan for covering the 6 channel, even though Crowley was clearly going to be absent at times.
- Needless cross-field risky passes when it total control of possession.
- Playing a full forward trio, none of whom are on top of the game (still capable of great stuff) while leaving Geaney and BJK who are on fire, on the bench for too long.
At least we can work on those things, although I still think our best keeper is on the bench, an opinion Fitz clearly doesn't share.
Tyrone came prepared and gave Kerry trouble in certain quarters. Certainly cause for optimism looking at the likes of Bradley and McCurry performing decently in big games in Croker. I honestly think though (and I'll debate this reasonably with any Tyrone fan) that they are a bit away from All Ireland level yet though.
Without going into detail on the ref issues getting a lot of attention..
Enright tackle - stonewall black card.
McNamee tackle - yellow card, not black.
Marc O'Sé - stonewall black card. (Stupid tackle. McAliskey with a nice dive and throw of his head just to make sure aswell. ;))
Don't think anyone in the world will disagree with those.
Tyrone 1st penalty was soft enough and a decision made from a long way off. Don't think there was contact sufficient to knock Tierney over?
McNulty was looking for the second peanlty. There was certainly contact from Mahony, but he went down himself, I think it's fairly clear. Don't blame him that much...there are thousands of players who would have done the same in that position. To be fair a lot of people have called this right, depsite that ar5ehole Brolly proclaiming it a stonewall penalty.
McNabb should have got red. Justin McMahon dragging an injured player on the ground was unsavoury also.
I don't the focus needs to be on the ref for this game thankfully and it was great to see Brian McGuigan on RTE and talking a lot of sense after the game.
I think Tyrone have over-reacted a good bit to the recent events and the general attitude towards them.
I have huge respect for Tyrone football. Strong club scene, some of the best players I've ever seen, many excellent football coaches/managers, a culture of top-class excellence built from a low base (success-wise) in a very short time period, massive investment (not just talk) in development of Gaelic Football and Gaelic Footballers, a level of interest in the game that exists in very few places in Ireland.
You can't do some of the things that Ryan McMenamin, Conor Gormley, Canavan and lately - Tiernan McCann, have done on a football field though and NOT get criticised. I didn't mention it here before the game as it would've muddied waters, but the Club Tyrone thing last week was way OTT I thought. I listened to most of it..and it was only 2/3 of the way through there was a mention of Sunday's game!
It's not a "Free state conspiracy" or anything like that..Kerry have taken some deserved criticism, Dublin and many other teams also. I think too many people take heed of what they read in papers or hear from "pundits"..as quite often there would be guys in every GAA club from Coalisland to Castleisland who would know more about the game. Am I wrong in thinking that the "puke football" comment has contributed massively to the rancour that developed? I'd hate to think that a throw away, blurted out remark by a guy who was a great Kerry player, but is clueless on modern Gaelic Football - would be the genesis or even a little element of a breakdown of respect between 2 counties, who in my own personal experience have huge respect for each other.
Anyway, that's too much there for one post. Now..Kerry are definitely underdogs for Final, This is Mayo's year..etc etc.. :P
Super post, CT.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 26, 2015, 12:18:10 AM
I really wish that it was possible to put a nonsense filter in these post-match sections..so much idiotic stuff from a variety of sources. Posting photos, making sweeping statements, vitriolic remarks etc.
Kerry and Tyrone played a good game of ball in shit conditions on Sunday. Very few instances of idiotic behaviour, thankfully, both teams had positives and negatives to take out of game. Kerry happened to be that bit better on the day (despite my bias, surely that is only a logical view?) but with 10 mins to go, it was all to play for, so it was as tight game.
I've watched the game back a couple of times now (I was in the Upper Hogan aswell Sunday) and it hasn't altered my view from the day that Kerry made it harder than it should have been for themselves.
- Kealy kicking long when 2-3 Kerry defenders were completely free.
- Seemingly no plan for covering the 6 channel, even though Crowley was clearly going to be absent at times.
- Needless cross-field risky passes when it total control of possession.
- Playing a full forward trio, none of whom are on top of the game (still capable of great stuff) while leaving Geaney and BJK who are on fire, on the bench for too long.
At least we can work on those things, although I still think our best keeper is on the bench, an opinion Fitz clearly doesn't share.
Tyrone came prepared and gave Kerry trouble in certain quarters. Certainly cause for optimism looking at the likes of Bradley and McCurry performing decently in big games in Croker. I honestly think though (and I'll debate this reasonably with any Tyrone fan) that they are a bit away from All Ireland level yet though.
Without going into detail on the ref issues getting a lot of attention..
Enright tackle - stonewall black card.
McNamee tackle - yellow card, not black.
Marc O'Sé - stonewall black card. (Stupid tackle. McAliskey with a nice dive and throw of his head just to make sure aswell. ;))
Don't think anyone in the world will disagree with those.
Tyrone 1st penalty was soft enough and a decision made from a long way off. Don't think there was contact sufficient to knock Tierney over?
McNulty was looking for the second peanlty. There was certainly contact from Mahony, but he went down himself, I think it's fairly clear. Don't blame him that much...there are thousands of players who would have done the same in that position. To be fair a lot of people have called this right, depsite that ar5ehole Brolly proclaiming it a stonewall penalty.
McNabb should have got red. Justin McMahon dragging an injured player on the ground was unsavoury also.
I don't the focus needs to be on the ref for this game thankfully and it was great to see Brian McGuigan on RTE and talking a lot of sense after the game.
I think Tyrone have over-reacted a good bit to the recent events and the general attitude towards them.
I have huge respect for Tyrone football. Strong club scene, some of the best players I've ever seen, many excellent football coaches/managers, a culture of top-class excellence built from a low base (success-wise) in a very short time period, massive investment (not just talk) in development of Gaelic Football and Gaelic Footballers, a level of interest in the game that exists in very few places in Ireland.
You can't do some of the things that Ryan McMenamin, Conor Gormley, Canavan and lately - Tiernan McCann, have done on a football field though and NOT get criticised. I didn't mention it here before the game as it would've muddied waters, but the Club Tyrone thing last week was way OTT I thought. I listened to most of it..and it was only 2/3 of the way through there was a mention of Sunday's game!
It's not a "Free state conspiracy" or anything like that..Kerry have taken some deserved criticism, Dublin and many other teams also. I think too many people take heed of what they read in papers or hear from "pundits"..as quite often there would be guys in every GAA club from Coalisland to Castleisland who would know more about the game. Am I wrong in thinking that the "puke football" comment has contributed massively to the rancour that developed? I'd hate to think that a throw away, blurted out remark by a guy who was a great Kerry player, but is clueless on modern Gaelic Football - would be the genesis or even a little element of a breakdown of respect between 2 counties, who in my own personal experience have huge respect for each other.
Anyway, that's too much there for one post. Now..Kerry are definitely underdogs for Final, This is Mayo's year..etc etc.. :P
So ,after that consider post, why did you have to disrespect us with this shite?
Good post CT I was wondering where you went....but it all makes sense now....there's been 48hr lockins all over the Kingdom celebrating the win with round the clock re-runs. ;)
Disagree with you on a few things BTW but couldnt be arsed at this point, nothing of controversy affected the result anyway. Yis where the better team and thats what matters, we will suck it up and be ready to blow it back out at yous next time we meet.
Good luck in the final BTW, tho cant say I will be goin for yis, not for any vindictive reason but simply cos yis have far to many AIs!
Cracking post in fairness. However back in Tyrone preparations are beginning for Sam 2016 and what an historical year it will be.
https://youtu.be/X4D36lRe5u4
See Conor McKenna is making his debut for Essendon this weekend. What a boost he would have been to Tyrone 2016.
Maith thú Ciarrai_thuaidh, go h-iontach, though you lot for are for it in 2016! ;)
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 26, 2015, 12:18:10 AM
I really wish that it was possible to put a nonsense filter in these post-match sections..so much idiotic stuff from a variety of sources. Posting photos, making sweeping statements, vitriolic remarks etc.
Kerry and Tyrone played a good game of ball in shit conditions on Sunday. Very few instances of idiotic behaviour, thankfully, both teams had positives and negatives to take out of game. Kerry happened to be that bit better on the day (despite my bias, surely that is only a logical view?) but with 10 mins to go, it was all to play for, so it was as tight game.
I've watched the game back a couple of times now (I was in the Upper Hogan aswell Sunday) and it hasn't altered my view from the day that Kerry made it harder than it should have been for themselves.
- Kealy kicking long when 2-3 Kerry defenders were completely free.
- Seemingly no plan for covering the 6 channel, even though Crowley was clearly going to be absent at times.
- Needless cross-field risky passes when it total control of possession.
- Playing a full forward trio, none of whom are on top of the game (still capable of great stuff) while leaving Geaney and BJK who are on fire, on the bench for too long.
At least we can work on those things, although I still think our best keeper is on the bench, an opinion Fitz clearly doesn't share.
Tyrone came prepared and gave Kerry trouble in certain quarters. Certainly cause for optimism looking at the likes of Bradley and McCurry performing decently in big games in Croker. I honestly think though (and I'll debate this reasonably with any Tyrone fan) that they are a bit away from All Ireland level yet though.
Without going into detail on the ref issues getting a lot of attention..
Enright tackle - stonewall black card.
McNamee tackle - yellow card, not black.
Marc O'Sé - stonewall black card. (Stupid tackle. McAliskey with a nice dive and throw of his head just to make sure aswell. ;))
Don't think anyone in the world will disagree with those.
Tyrone 1st penalty was soft enough and a decision made from a long way off. Don't think there was contact sufficient to knock Tierney over?
McNulty was looking for the second peanlty. There was certainly contact from Mahony, but he went down himself, I think it's fairly clear. Don't blame him that much...there are thousands of players who would have done the same in that position. To be fair a lot of people have called this right, depsite that ar5ehole Brolly proclaiming it a stonewall penalty.
McNabb should have got red. Justin McMahon dragging an injured player on the ground was unsavoury also.
I don't the focus needs to be on the ref for this game thankfully and it was great to see Brian McGuigan on RTE and talking a lot of sense after the game.
I think Tyrone have over-reacted a good bit to the recent events and the general attitude towards them.
I have huge respect for Tyrone football. Strong club scene, some of the best players I've ever seen, many excellent football coaches/managers, a culture of top-class excellence built from a low base (success-wise) in a very short time period, massive investment (not just talk) in development of Gaelic Football and Gaelic Footballers, a level of interest in the game that exists in very few places in Ireland.
You can't do some of the things that Ryan McMenamin, Conor Gormley, Canavan and lately - Tiernan McCann, have done on a football field though and NOT get criticised. I didn't mention it here before the game as it would've muddied waters, but the Club Tyrone thing last week was way OTT I thought. I listened to most of it..and it was only 2/3 of the way through there was a mention of Sunday's game!
It's not a "Free state conspiracy" or anything like that..Kerry have taken some deserved criticism, Dublin and many other teams also. I think too many people take heed of what they read in papers or hear from "pundits"..as quite often there would be guys in every GAA club from Coalisland to Castleisland who would know more about the game. Am I wrong in thinking that the "puke football" comment has contributed massively to the rancour that developed? I'd hate to think that a throw away, blurted out remark by a guy who was a great Kerry player, but is clueless on modern Gaelic Football - would be the genesis or even a little element of a breakdown of respect between 2 counties, who in my own personal experience have huge respect for each other.
Anyway, that's too much there for one post. Now..Kerry are definitely underdogs for Final, This is Mayo's year..etc etc.. :P
An absolute breath of fresh air... let's close this thread on that note
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 26, 2015, 11:17:53 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 26, 2015, 12:18:10 AM
I really wish that it was possible to put a nonsense filter in these post-match sections..so much idiotic stuff from a variety of sources. Posting photos, making sweeping statements, vitriolic remarks etc.
Kerry and Tyrone played a good game of ball in shit conditions on Sunday. Very few instances of idiotic behaviour, thankfully, both teams had positives and negatives to take out of game. Kerry happened to be that bit better on the day (despite my bias, surely that is only a logical view?) but with 10 mins to go, it was all to play for, so it was as tight game.
I've watched the game back a couple of times now (I was in the Upper Hogan aswell Sunday) and it hasn't altered my view from the day that Kerry made it harder than it should have been for themselves.
- Kealy kicking long when 2-3 Kerry defenders were completely free.
- Seemingly no plan for covering the 6 channel, even though Crowley was clearly going to be absent at times.
- Needless cross-field risky passes when it total control of possession.
- Playing a full forward trio, none of whom are on top of the game (still capable of great stuff) while leaving Geaney and BJK who are on fire, on the bench for too long.
At least we can work on those things, although I still think our best keeper is on the bench, an opinion Fitz clearly doesn't share.
Tyrone came prepared and gave Kerry trouble in certain quarters. Certainly cause for optimism looking at the likes of Bradley and McCurry performing decently in big games in Croker. I honestly think though (and I'll debate this reasonably with any Tyrone fan) that they are a bit away from All Ireland level yet though.
Without going into detail on the ref issues getting a lot of attention..
Enright tackle - stonewall black card.
McNamee tackle - yellow card, not black.
Marc O'Sé - stonewall black card. (Stupid tackle. McAliskey with a nice dive and throw of his head just to make sure aswell. ;))
Don't think anyone in the world will disagree with those.
Tyrone 1st penalty was soft enough and a decision made from a long way off. Don't think there was contact sufficient to knock Tierney over?
McNulty was looking for the second peanlty. There was certainly contact from Mahony, but he went down himself, I think it's fairly clear. Don't blame him that much...there are thousands of players who would have done the same in that position. To be fair a lot of people have called this right, depsite that ar5ehole Brolly proclaiming it a stonewall penalty.
McNabb should have got red. Justin McMahon dragging an injured player on the ground was unsavoury also.
I don't the focus needs to be on the ref for this game thankfully and it was great to see Brian McGuigan on RTE and talking a lot of sense after the game.
I think Tyrone have over-reacted a good bit to the recent events and the general attitude towards them.
I have huge respect for Tyrone football. Strong club scene, some of the best players I've ever seen, many excellent football coaches/managers, a culture of top-class excellence built from a low base (success-wise) in a very short time period, massive investment (not just talk) in development of Gaelic Football and Gaelic Footballers, a level of interest in the game that exists in very few places in Ireland.
You can't do some of the things that Ryan McMenamin, Conor Gormley, Canavan and lately - Tiernan McCann, have done on a football field though and NOT get criticised. I didn't mention it here before the game as it would've muddied waters, but the Club Tyrone thing last week was way OTT I thought. I listened to most of it..and it was only 2/3 of the way through there was a mention of Sunday's game!
It's not a "Free state conspiracy" or anything like that..Kerry have taken some deserved criticism, Dublin and many other teams also. I think too many people take heed of what they read in papers or hear from "pundits"..as quite often there would be guys in every GAA club from Coalisland to Castleisland who would know more about the game. Am I wrong in thinking that the "puke football" comment has contributed massively to the rancour that developed? I'd hate to think that a throw away, blurted out remark by a guy who was a great Kerry player, but is clueless on modern Gaelic Football - would be the genesis or even a little element of a breakdown of respect between 2 counties, who in my own personal experience have huge respect for each other.
Anyway, that's too much there for one post. Now..Kerry are definitely underdogs for Final, This is Mayo's year..etc etc.. :P
An absolute breath of fresh air... let's close this thread on that note
Great post and a fair assessment of the game.
I agree with you on Spillanes 'puke football' comment being the genesis for a lot of the criticism of Tyrone.
it just seemed to be something that people latched on to and for the most part is wide of the mark with regards the football Tyrone have played over the last 10-15 years.
The point re the bitter 'puke football' comment is spot on. Ulster, and especially Tyrone, were all tarnished a little by it - it seemed as though those teams weren't getting the respect they deserved,as though they had achieved their wins by ill means. It was a ridiculous comment, that sadly was lapped up in many quarters. Those games were the best I've seen - Tyrone Armagh in 2005 was absolutely sensational - I very much doubt I'll ever see as intense a match, nor as enjoyable a one, ever again. Any bollocks can have an opinion on anything, but whats sad is that bollockses opinion gained traction, for whatever reason.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 26, 2015, 12:18:10 AM
I really wish that it was possible to put a nonsense filter in these post-match sections..so much idiotic stuff from a variety of sources. Posting photos, making sweeping statements, vitriolic remarks etc.
Kerry and Tyrone played a good game of ball in shit conditions on Sunday. Very few instances of idiotic behaviour, thankfully, both teams had positives and negatives to take out of game. Kerry happened to be that bit better on the day (despite my bias, surely that is only a logical view?) but with 10 mins to go, it was all to play for, so it was as tight game.
I've watched the game back a couple of times now (I was in the Upper Hogan aswell Sunday) and it hasn't altered my view from the day that Kerry made it harder than it should have been for themselves.
- Kealy kicking long when 2-3 Kerry defenders were completely free.
- Seemingly no plan for covering the 6 channel, even though Crowley was clearly going to be absent at times.
- Needless cross-field risky passes when it total control of possession.
- Playing a full forward trio, none of whom are on top of the game (still capable of great stuff) while leaving Geaney and BJK who are on fire, on the bench for too long.
At least we can work on those things, although I still think our best keeper is on the bench, an opinion Fitz clearly doesn't share.
Tyrone came prepared and gave Kerry trouble in certain quarters. Certainly cause for optimism looking at the likes of Bradley and McCurry performing decently in big games in Croker. I honestly think though (and I'll debate this reasonably with any Tyrone fan) that they are a bit away from All Ireland level yet though.
Without going into detail on the ref issues getting a lot of attention..
Enright tackle - stonewall black card.
McNamee tackle - yellow card, not black.
Marc O'Sé - stonewall black card. (Stupid tackle. McAliskey with a nice dive and throw of his head just to make sure aswell. ;))
Don't think anyone in the world will disagree with those.
Tyrone 1st penalty was soft enough and a decision made from a long way off. Don't think there was contact sufficient to knock Tierney over?
McNulty was looking for the second peanlty. There was certainly contact from Mahony, but he went down himself, I think it's fairly clear. Don't blame him that much...there are thousands of players who would have done the same in that position. To be fair a lot of people have called this right, depsite that ar5ehole Brolly proclaiming it a stonewall penalty.
McNabb should have got red. Justin McMahon dragging an injured player on the ground was unsavoury also.
I don't the focus needs to be on the ref for this game thankfully and it was great to see Brian McGuigan on RTE and talking a lot of sense after the game.
I think Tyrone have over-reacted a good bit to the recent events and the general attitude towards them.
I have huge respect for Tyrone football. Strong club scene, some of the best players I've ever seen, many excellent football coaches/managers, a culture of top-class excellence built from a low base (success-wise) in a very short time period, massive investment (not just talk) in development of Gaelic Football and Gaelic Footballers, a level of interest in the game that exists in very few places in Ireland.
You can't do some of the things that Ryan McMenamin, Conor Gormley, Canavan and lately - Tiernan McCann, have done on a football field though and NOT get criticised. I didn't mention it here before the game as it would've muddied waters, but the Club Tyrone thing last week was way OTT I thought. I listened to most of it..and it was only 2/3 of the way through there was a mention of Sunday's game!
It's not a "Free state conspiracy" or anything like that..Kerry have taken some deserved criticism, Dublin and many other teams also. I think too many people take heed of what they read in papers or hear from "pundits"..as quite often there would be guys in every GAA club from Coalisland to Castleisland who would know more about the game. Am I wrong in thinking that the "puke football" comment has contributed massively to the rancour that developed? I'd hate to think that a throw away, blurted out remark by a guy who was a great Kerry player, but is clueless on modern Gaelic Football - would be the genesis or even a little element of a breakdown of respect between 2 counties, who in my own personal experience have huge respect for each other.
Anyway, that's too much there for one post. Now..Kerry are definitely underdogs for Final, This is Mayo's year..etc etc.. :P
I've wasted every one of my 7,690 posts.
Ciarrai_thuaidh's post is pretty overrated at this stage IMO
Quote from: Keane on August 26, 2015, 12:51:36 PM
Ciarrai_thuaidh's post is pretty overrated at this stage IMO
A Puke post.
As a fan, great, but you can forget about Ciarrai Thuaidh as a poster as far as I'm concerned.
I, for one, won't be having a pint with him anytime soon.
Haven't posted on game myself, can sum it up in the following:
-Kerry were the, marginally, better team. Bomber has lost the plot on this thread, I believe.
- We should have been more clinical in front of goal but I think it's clear Harte had laid down a rule of thumb that goals only to be attempted if they are dead certs. Was our last goal from play in the Kerry league game?
- Deegan wasn't the worst, the yellow for McNamee and missed black for Enright were very bad calls. McNamee's actually had a big difference as Geaney destroyed Clarke.
- Had a great view of both penalty decisions, McNulty did himself a disservice by throwing the arms out. In real time I couldn't fault Deegan for the yellow, on reviewing tv it was much closer to a pen than I had originally thought.
- Don't know how McCrory ended up a free man in first half, wrong man to take up this mantle and cost us valuable chances in the middle of first half.
- As mentioned already, McCurry's missed free was huge, if that had of went over we could have made it.
- Overall, a very pleasing year for Tyrone. An AI U-21 title and a senior semi final are a great return. A chance to bed in some great young talent next year and refocus on getting an Ulster final and seeing where that leads us is the plan of attack.
Finally, it was great to get my two lads (three and four) to their first game in Croker. The looks on their face when the atmosphere rocketed following Bradley's 60th minute equalizer was priceless!
Moysider, if you are seriously wound that tight, take a break from the interwebs for a while..that was essentially a jibe about my own crowd like.
Keane and AZ, ye can f*ck off the pair of ye..A Biffo and a Tralee townie..can't think of a worse combo!
Omagh_Gael, great hearing that about the young lads. That's going to stick in their minds. I can still (barely) remember the thrill of "waking up" as a football fan watching Mikey Sheehy score a last minute goal against Cork in a Munster final.
Ciarrai_t, you say Tyrone are a bit away from being AI contenders....I've also watched it again and Tyrone could have won that game if just one of their many mis-firing facets on the day had been working.
That kickout after Bradley equalised was crucial. Sheehan caught it as someone was napping. Tyrone were winning every breaking ball a la the last 10 mins of '08 and I honestly think if we'd been tuned on for that kick out, gone a point ahead, we'd have closed out the game in the most disgusting way possible.
Then you're in an AI final having beaten Kerry. Tyrone could have won the AI this year.
All ifs and buts (including the goal chances, frees) but that tiny inch of luck/concentration was the difference.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 26, 2015, 01:39:05 PM
McCurry's missed free was huge, if that had of went over
An otherwise excellent post spoiled by this kind of thing ::) >:( >:(.
Puke grammar!!!
As for the game -an excellent tussle and great skills etc on a terrible day.
Credit to both teams - the team with the better forwards won as usually happens.
Not too many antics, certainly no more than the average you'd get in any game.
Can we please continue in that vein?
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2015, 04:30:28 PM
Ciarrai_t, you say Tyrone are a bit away from being AI contenders....I've also watched it again and Tyrone could have won that game if just one of their many mis-firing facets on the day had been working.
That kickout after Bradley equalised was crucial. Sheehan caught it as someone was napping. Tyrone were winning every breaking ball a la the last 10 mins of '08 and I honestly think if we'd been tuned on for that kick out, gone a point ahead, we'd have closed out the game in the most disgusting way possible.
Then you're in an AI final having beaten Kerry. Tyrone could have won the AI this year.
All ifs and buts (including the goal chances, frees) but that tiny inch of luck/concentration was the difference.
Who of substance have Tyrone beaten in the last three years? Until they do that they are a bit off being AI contenders. Coming close does not count. You can huff and puff on the peripherals, but until you do that you are just an also ran.
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2015, 04:30:28 PM
Ciarrai_t, you say Tyrone are a bit away from being AI contenders....I've also watched it again and Tyrone could have won that game if just one of their many mis-firing facets on the day had been working.
That kickout after Bradley equalised was crucial. Sheehan caught it as someone was napping. Tyrone were winning every breaking ball a la the last 10 mins of '08 and I honestly think if we'd been tuned on for that kick out, gone a point ahead, we'd have closed out the game in the most disgusting way possible.
Then you're in an AI final having beaten Kerry. Tyrone could have won the AI this year.
All ifs and buts (including the goal chances, frees) but that tiny inch of luck/concentration was the difference.
Maybe, maybe I'm a bit off in that statement O'Neill, only time will tell I guess. Don't want to add my name to the list of perceived "anti-Tyrone" free-staters like.. :P
On what you said there, I think you have to take the elements of play that were "off" and say, what is a realistic expectation from those?
For example, McAliskey SHOULD have passed to McCurry for that chance in the 1st half and no doubt, he would have stuck it. But if a decent player like McAliskey doesn't have the vision or decision-making skillset to make the optimum play there..how often is he going to do the same thing again in the same scenario? He also made a slightly questionable decision to turn across the goals onto his right when he got blocked by Marc O'Sé..a better pass by Peter Harte (or a better decision to draw the defender closer) and he may have had a clearer shot, but we can see again the inches that were off here were mainly in decision making/skills..and you can't call that "luck" or lack thereof.
By the way, lest anyone think I'm being overly critical..I am, but this is the highest level we're talking here. McAliskey is a very good player. Kicked a superb point in particular in the second half. Peter Harte is a very good player but had no effect on the game really on Sunday as he was well marshalled by Lyne.
Same theory applies to the Sheehan catch of the kickout after Bradley's equaliser..although to be fair I thought it was just a very good run and catch by a guy fresh off the bench. Matty Donnelly I think (could be wrong) was the guy who lost him. He's after an hour of hard running, so it's hyper-critical to slate him for it wouldn't you say? Also, Sheehan, Gooch, Walsh, Darran Sull did extremely well in possession, Walsh played a good ball into Maher who kicked a superb kick from a difficult angle. It was a very good play by Kerry especially given a lot of teams/players would have been rattled beyond belief at that point.
On top of that, Kerry missed 3 or 4 very handy point chances in the first half that you would reasonably expect to get a lot of the time. Therefore, if say McCurry gets the clear goal chance, it's still (in this hypothetical scenario) Tyrone 1-6 Kerry 0-11 at the break say.
Bradley's goal chance could have been finished , sure. Wasn't a terrible effort though and Kealy made a great save. Would have put Tyrone 1-9 to 0-11 up on 43 mins. Flip side of that, Jameso had a clear chance 9m out to turn and stick a goal on 49 mins, but instead for some reason spun onto his right and put it wide incredibly. It was a very unnatural thing for him to do and indicative of how much the shoulder is at him I think.
Don't mistake all that as some kind of superiority complex or anything. The game was tight and that was an accurate reflection of the play. I'm just trying to be logical in my view of it. Always happy to have reasonable discussion on any aspects of play. Tyrone have a lot to be positive about as I said already. Like a lot of people, I wasn't sure they had the stuff to be competing at this level, but they have. Next year and the years beyond will be interesting for sure.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 26, 2015, 05:59:51 PM
Who of substance have Tyrone beaten in the last three years? Until they do that they are a bit off being AI contenders. Coming close does not count. You can huff and puff on the peripherals, but until you do that you are just an also ran.
Hmmm... the current Ulster Champions mightn't regard a description of being 'insubstantial' too kindly! ;)
Would agree though, I don't think we're quite there, yet.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 26, 2015, 05:59:51 PM
Who of substance have Tyrone beaten in the last three years? Until they do that they are a bit off being AI contenders. Coming close does not count. You can huff and puff on the peripherals, but until you do that you are just an also ran.
Hmmm... the current Ulster Champions mightn't regard a description of being 'insubstantial' too kindly! ;)
Would agree though, I don't think we're quite there, yet.
Well tough on them. They are not substantial when it comes to Croker!
That's too simple an analysis. What happens in previous years means nothing in the year of a good run. Sligo dumped Tyrone out in 2002. In 2008 Tyrone were 40-1.
Tyrone turned out to be All Ireland contenders. I think they'd have been labelled the poorest side to reach an All Ireland final since Down.
Don't forget that Down side. Not All Ireland contenders using simple analysis but could easily have won it a few years ago.
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2015, 06:09:36 PM
That's too simple an analysis. What happens in previous years means nothing in the year of a good run. Sligo dumped Tyrone out in 2002. In 2008 Tyrone were 40-1.
Tyrone turned out to be All Ireland contenders. I think they'd have been labelled the poorest side to reach an All Ireland final since Down.
Don't forget that Down side. Not All Ireland contenders using simple analysis but could easily have won it a few years ago.
On that basis Armagh must have a great chance next year! ;D
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Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2015, 06:09:36 PM
That's too simple an analysis. What happens in previous years means nothing in the year of a good run. Sligo dumped Tyrone out in 2002. In 2008 Tyrone were 40-1.
Tyrone turned out to be All Ireland contenders. I think they'd have been labelled the poorest side to reach an All Ireland final since Down.
Don't forget that Down side. Not All Ireland contenders using simple analysis but could easily have won it a few years ago.
On that basis Armagh must have a great chance next year! ;D
Not quite. Both Down and Tyrone were backboned by players who'd won AIs at underage level. For these teams, the breakthrough can come suddenly by going all the way.
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Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2015, 04:30:28 PM
Ciarrai_t, you say Tyrone are a bit away from being AI contenders....I've also watched it again and Tyrone could have won that game if just one of their many mis-firing facets on the day had been working.
That kickout after Bradley equalised was crucial. Sheehan caught it as someone was napping. Tyrone were winning every breaking ball a la the last 10 mins of '08 and I honestly think if we'd been tuned on for that kick out, gone a point ahead, we'd have closed out the game in the most disgusting way possible.
Then you're in an AI final having beaten Kerry. Tyrone could have won the AI this year.
All ifs and buts (including the goal chances, frees) but that tiny inch of luck/concentration was the difference.
Maybe, maybe I'm a bit off in that statement O'Neill, only time will tell I guess. Don't want to add my name to the list of perceived "anti-Tyrone" free-staters like.. :P
On what you said there, I think you have to take the elements of play that were "off" and say, what is a realistic expectation from those?
For example, McAliskey SHOULD have passed to McCurry for that chance in the 1st half and no doubt, he would have stuck it. But if a decent player like McAliskey doesn't have the vision or decision-making skillset to make the optimum play there..how often is he going to do the same thing again in the same scenario? He also made a slightly questionable decision to turn across the goals onto his right when he got blocked by Marc O'Sé..a better pass by Peter Harte (or a better decision to draw the defender closer) and he may have had a clearer shot, but we can see again the inches that were off here were mainly in decision making/skills..and you can't call that "luck" or lack thereof.
By the way, lest anyone think I'm being overly critical..I am, but this is the highest level we're talking here. McAliskey is a very good player. Kicked a superb point in particular in the second half. Peter Harte is a very good player but had no effect on the game really on Sunday as he was well marshalled by Lyne.
Same theory applies to the Sheehan catch of the kickout after Bradley's equaliser..although to be fair I thought it was just a very good run and catch by a guy fresh off the bench. Matty Donnelly I think (could be wrong) was the guy who lost him. He's after an hour of hard running, so it's hyper-critical to slate him for it wouldn't you say? Also, Sheehan, Gooch, Walsh, Darran Sull did extremely well in possession, Walsh played a good ball into Maher who kicked a superb kick from a difficult angle. It was a very good play by Kerry especially given a lot of teams/players would have been rattled beyond belief at that point.
On top of that, Kerry missed 3 or 4 very handy point chances in the first half that you would reasonably expect to get a lot of the time. Therefore, if say McCurry gets the clear goal chance, it's still (in this hypothetical scenario) Tyrone 1-6 Kerry 0-11 at the break say.
Bradley's goal chance could have been finished , sure. Wasn't a terrible effort though and Kealy made a great save. Would have put Tyrone 1-9 to 0-11 up on 43 mins. Flip side of that, Jameso had a clear chance 9m out to turn and stick a goal on 49 mins, but instead for some reason spun onto his right and put it wide incredibly. It was a very unnatural thing for him to do and indicative of how much the shoulder is at him I think.
Don't mistake all that as some kind of superiority complex or anything. The game was tight and that was an accurate reflection of the play. I'm just trying to be logical in my view of it. Always happy to have reasonable discussion on any aspects of play. Tyrone have a lot to be positive about as I said already. Like a lot of people, I wasn't sure they had the stuff to be competing at this level, but they have. Next year and the years beyond will be interesting for sure.
It's a very young Tyrone team with not an awful lot of experience at this stage of the Championship in recent years, the hope and for me, the expectancy is that they will learn from the mistakes you pointed out on Sunday and rectify them. For me our gameplan worked to much greater effect than Kerry's, we carved you up plenty of times down the middle but just didn't have the composure and ruthlessness to make it count.
Guys like McAliskey, McNabb, McNamee and McCann who have been on the panel a few years now without ever really doing it really pushed on this year and I hope they can continue to progress.
I think it will be a game our lads will look back on with huge regret as it was there for them and they didn't take it.
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Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2015, 04:30:28 PM
Ciarrai_t, you say Tyrone are a bit away from being AI contenders....I've also watched it again and Tyrone could have won that game if just one of their many mis-firing facets on the day had been working.
That kickout after Bradley equalised was crucial. Sheehan caught it as someone was napping. Tyrone were winning every breaking ball a la the last 10 mins of '08 and I honestly think if we'd been tuned on for that kick out, gone a point ahead, we'd have closed out the game in the most disgusting way possible.
Then you're in an AI final having beaten Kerry. Tyrone could have won the AI this year.
All ifs and buts (including the goal chances, frees) but that tiny inch of luck/concentration was the difference.
Who of substance have Tyrone beaten in the last three years? Until they do that they are a bit off being AI contenders. Coming close does not count. You can huff and puff on the peripherals, but until you do that you are just an also ran.
Who have Mayo beaten of substance in that time period?
A Donegal team that was beaten by Monaghan in 2013 and 2015 who Tyrone beat in both those years?
What I'm saying is, despite low expectations, it would not have been an unbelievable occurrence had Tyrone won this year's AI.
Maybe it's more pronounced in Ulster (can't see why it should be) but many of our AI winning counties had form. Down '91 had AI minor winners on the side from 4 years earlier. Same as Derry in '93 (4 years earlier Tohill and a few others lifted the minor). Donegal '92 had a rash of U21 AI winners on the side from again the late 80s. Yet, at the start of 1991, no one had these sides as AI contenders. The Tyrone of the 00s had underage medals hanging out their ears.
Donegal (12) and Armagh (02) had AI runners-up medals spread across the side.
I didn't think we were anywhere near being AI contenders this year, but at HT in the semi you knew they were and shouldn't have been surprised. They had form.
Dunno what happens to Galwegians.
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2015, 06:19:18 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on August 26, 2015, 06:17:25 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2015, 06:09:36 PM
That's too simple an analysis. What happens in previous years means nothing in the year of a good run. Sligo dumped Tyrone out in 2002. In 2008 Tyrone were 40-1.
Tyrone turned out to be All Ireland contenders. I think they'd have been labelled the poorest side to reach an All Ireland final since Down.
Don't forget that Down side. Not All Ireland contenders using simple analysis but could easily have won it a few years ago.
On that basis Armagh must have a great chance next year! ;D
Not quite. Both Down and Tyrone were backboned by players who'd won AIs at underage level. For these teams, the breakthrough can come suddenly by going all the way.
Armagh won minor All Ireland in 2009 and Mallon, Moriarity, McKeever have under 21 All Ireland medals. Then you have Cross players with club All Ireland's.
The Armagh 2002 had no underage winners.
P.S. I think Armagh should be about 150/1 to win All Ireland next year.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 26, 2015, 12:18:10 AM
I really wish that it was possible to put a nonsense filter in these post-match sections..so much idiotic stuff from a variety of sources. Posting photos, making sweeping statements, vitriolic remarks etc.
Kerry and Tyrone played a good game of ball in shit conditions on Sunday. Very few instances of idiotic behaviour, thankfully, both teams had positives and negatives to take out of game. Kerry happened to be that bit better on the day (despite my bias, surely that is only a logical view?) but with 10 mins to go, it was all to play for, so it was as tight game.
I've watched the game back a couple of times now (I was in the Upper Hogan aswell Sunday) and it hasn't altered my view from the day that Kerry made it harder than it should have been for themselves.
- Kealy kicking long when 2-3 Kerry defenders were completely free.
- Seemingly no plan for covering the 6 channel, even though Crowley was clearly going to be absent at times.
- Needless cross-field risky passes when it total control of possession.
- Playing a full forward trio, none of whom are on top of the game (still capable of great stuff) while leaving Geaney and BJK who are on fire, on the bench for too long.
At least we can work on those things, although I still think our best keeper is on the bench, an opinion Fitz clearly doesn't share.
Tyrone came prepared and gave Kerry trouble in certain quarters. Certainly cause for optimism looking at the likes of Bradley and McCurry performing decently in big games in Croker. I honestly think though (and I'll debate this reasonably with any Tyrone fan) that they are a bit away from All Ireland level yet though.
Without going into detail on the ref issues getting a lot of attention..
Enright tackle - stonewall black card.
McNamee tackle - yellow card, not black.
Marc O'Sé - stonewall black card. (Stupid tackle. McAliskey with a nice dive and throw of his head just to make sure aswell. ;))
Don't think anyone in the world will disagree with those.
Tyrone 1st penalty was soft enough and a decision made from a long way off. Don't think there was contact sufficient to knock Tierney over?
McNulty was looking for the second peanlty. There was certainly contact from Mahony, but he went down himself, I think it's fairly clear. Don't blame him that much...there are thousands of players who would have done the same in that position. To be fair a lot of people have called this right, depsite that ar5ehole Brolly proclaiming it a stonewall penalty.
McNabb should have got red. Justin McMahon dragging an injured player on the ground was unsavoury also.
I don't the focus needs to be on the ref for this game thankfully and it was great to see Brian McGuigan on RTE and talking a lot of sense after the game.
I think Tyrone have over-reacted a good bit to the recent events and the general attitude towards them.
I have huge respect for Tyrone football. Strong club scene, some of the best players I've ever seen, many excellent football coaches/managers, a culture of top-class excellence built from a low base (success-wise) in a very short time period, massive investment (not just talk) in development of Gaelic Football and Gaelic Footballers, a level of interest in the game that exists in very few places in Ireland.
You can't do some of the things that Ryan McMenamin, Conor Gormley, Canavan and lately - Tiernan McCann, have done on a football field though and NOT get criticised. I didn't mention it here before the game as it would've muddied waters, but the Club Tyrone thing last week was way OTT I thought. I listened to most of it..and it was only 2/3 of the way through there was a mention of Sunday's game!
It's not a "Free state conspiracy" or anything like that..Kerry have taken some deserved criticism, Dublin and many other teams also. I think too many people take heed of what they read in papers or hear from "pundits"..as quite often there would be guys in every GAA club from Coalisland to Castleisland who would know more about the game. Am I wrong in thinking that the "puke football" comment has contributed massively to the rancour that developed? I'd hate to think that a throw away, blurted out remark by a guy who was a great Kerry player, but is clueless on modern Gaelic Football - would be the genesis or even a little element of a breakdown of respect between 2 counties, who in my own personal experience have huge respect for each other.
Anyway, that's too much there for one post. Now..Kerry are definitely underdogs for Final, This is Mayo's year..etc etc.. :P
Great post. Tyrone need to find a couple of top class forwards and a midfielder before entertaining thoughts of winning an All-Ireland.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 26, 2015, 06:30:33 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 26, 2015, 05:59:51 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2015, 04:30:28 PM
Ciarrai_t, you say Tyrone are a bit away from being AI contenders....I've also watched it again and Tyrone could have won that game if just one of their many mis-firing facets on the day had been working.
That kickout after Bradley equalised was crucial. Sheehan caught it as someone was napping. Tyrone were winning every breaking ball a la the last 10 mins of '08 and I honestly think if we'd been tuned on for that kick out, gone a point ahead, we'd have closed out the game in the most disgusting way possible.
Then you're in an AI final having beaten Kerry. Tyrone could have won the AI this year.
All ifs and buts (including the goal chances, frees) but that tiny inch of luck/concentration was the difference.
Who of substance have Tyrone beaten in the last three years? Until they do that they are a bit off being AI contenders. Coming close does not count. You can huff and puff on the peripherals, but until you do that you are just an also ran.
Who have Mayo beaten of substance in that time period?
A Donegal team that was beaten by Monaghan in 2013 and 2015 who Tyrone beat in both those years?
Well from 2011 to 2015 we have beaten Cork x 2, Donegal x 2, Dublin, Drew with Kerry. We are further down the line than yourselves. And all this without a Marquee forward and a Croke park hoodoo!
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 26, 2015, 06:30:33 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 26, 2015, 05:59:51 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2015, 04:30:28 PM
Ciarrai_t, you say Tyrone are a bit away from being AI contenders....I've also watched it again and Tyrone could have won that game if just one of their many mis-firing facets on the day had been working.
That kickout after Bradley equalised was crucial. Sheehan caught it as someone was napping. Tyrone were winning every breaking ball a la the last 10 mins of '08 and I honestly think if we'd been tuned on for that kick out, gone a point ahead, we'd have closed out the game in the most disgusting way possible.
Then you're in an AI final having beaten Kerry. Tyrone could have won the AI this year.
All ifs and buts (including the goal chances, frees) but that tiny inch of luck/concentration was the difference.
Who of substance have Tyrone beaten in the last three years? Until they do that they are a bit off being AI contenders. Coming close does not count. You can huff and puff on the peripherals, but until you do that you are just an also ran.
Who have Mayo beaten of substance in that time period?
A Donegal team that was beaten by Monaghan in 2013 and 2015 who Tyrone beat in both those years?
Well from 2011 to 2015 we have beaten Cork x 2, Donegal x 2, Dublin, Drew with Kerry. We are further down the line than yourselves. And all this without a Marquee forward and a Croke park hoodoo!
Yes, but if "coming close doesn't count". Where does that really put Mayo? The epitome of coming close.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 26, 2015, 08:01:29 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 26, 2015, 06:30:33 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 26, 2015, 05:59:51 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2015, 04:30:28 PM
Ciarrai_t, you say Tyrone are a bit away from being AI contenders....I've also watched it again and Tyrone could have won that game if just one of their many mis-firing facets on the day had been working.
That kickout after Bradley equalised was crucial. Sheehan caught it as someone was napping. Tyrone were winning every breaking ball a la the last 10 mins of '08 and I honestly think if we'd been tuned on for that kick out, gone a point ahead, we'd have closed out the game in the most disgusting way possible.
Then you're in an AI final having beaten Kerry. Tyrone could have won the AI this year.
All ifs and buts (including the goal chances, frees) but that tiny inch of luck/concentration was the difference.
Who of substance have Tyrone beaten in the last three years? Until they do that they are a bit off being AI contenders. Coming close does not count. You can huff and puff on the peripherals, but until you do that you are just an also ran.
Who have Mayo beaten of substance in that time period?
A Donegal team that was beaten by Monaghan in 2013 and 2015 who Tyrone beat in both those years?
Well from 2011 to 2015 we have beaten Cork x 2, Donegal x 2, Dublin, Drew with Kerry. We are further down the line than yourselves. And all this without a Marquee forward and a Croke park hoodoo!
Yes, but if "coming close doesn't count". Where does that really put Mayo? The epitome of coming close.
Totally agree. Coming close does not count! We are ahead of the chasing bunch - nothing more!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 26, 2015, 08:01:29 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 26, 2015, 06:30:33 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 26, 2015, 05:59:51 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2015, 04:30:28 PM
Ciarrai_t, you say Tyrone are a bit away from being AI contenders....I've also watched it again and Tyrone could have won that game if just one of their many mis-firing facets on the day had been working.
That kickout after Bradley equalised was crucial. Sheehan caught it as someone was napping. Tyrone were winning every breaking ball a la the last 10 mins of '08 and I honestly think if we'd been tuned on for that kick out, gone a point ahead, we'd have closed out the game in the most disgusting way possible.
Then you're in an AI final having beaten Kerry. Tyrone could have won the AI this year.
All ifs and buts (including the goal chances, frees) but that tiny inch of luck/concentration was the difference.
Who of substance have Tyrone beaten in the last three years? Until they do that they are a bit off being AI contenders. Coming close does not count. You can huff and puff on the peripherals, but until you do that you are just an also ran.
Who have Mayo beaten of substance in that time period?
A Donegal team that was beaten by Monaghan in 2013 and 2015 who Tyrone beat in both those years?
Well from 2011 to 2015 we have beaten Cork x 2, Donegal x 2, Dublin, Drew with Kerry. We are further down the line than yourselves. And all this without a Marquee forward and a Croke park hoodoo!
Well you picked out a 3 year period there.
Are Cork better than Monaghan? I wouldn't say so. Fine they beat Donegal but I think it's worth noting Donegal were far away from competing for an All Ireland in those years, Donegal seem to be a team whose form can be read directly as a measure of their aspects that year, it's tough to be at your best from May - Sept and Donegal have definitely paid the toll from coming through Ulster.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 26, 2015, 08:34:09 PM
Well you picked out a 3 year period there.
Are Cork better than Monaghan? I wouldn't say so. Fine they beat Donegal but I think it's worth noting Donegal were far away from competing for an All Ireland in those years, Donegal seem to be a team whose form can be read directly as a measure of their aspects that year, it's tough to be at your best from May - Sept and Donegal have definitely paid the toll from coming through Ulster.
Yes I picked a three year period with Tyrone, Most of this emerging team would more than likely be part of the Tyrone team over this period. You can look at the Mayo group since 2011. The Cork/Monaghan question is a much of a muchness. Who would Tyrone fear more in Croker? Now be honest. I know who we would fear more. I agree with you on Donegal, impossible to maintain the level of competitiveness they had to do this season. 2013 and 2015 they were shagged. Many Mayo people are actually reading to much into how good we are from that game this year.
Ach Jaysus lads, coming close to winning an All-Ireland makes you All-Ireland contenders.
If Mayo lost 10 AIs in a row by a point, are you saying they're not AI contenders.
Tyrone showed against Kerry that, contrary to almost national belief (including my own), they were AI contenders this year. If they'd been blitzed, then no.
A game of inches and luck. The Donegal keeper catching his heel when kicking out in the AI final last year is an example. That had nothing to do with experience or skill.
is this thread still open?
The 2 Kerry midfielders put in a savage shift marking the runs of Harte and Donnelly.
Depends on what you define as contenders O'Neil. Tyrone deserve a lot of credit for Sunday's performance but I wouldn't have you down as contenders, don't think for a minute you were capable of beating Kerry then going on to beat Dublin/Mayo in the final. Tyrone got the draw they wanted in the quarter final, if you'd have been drawn against Kerry/Dublin/Mayo you'd have been beaten and you wouldn't claiming to be contenders.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 26, 2015, 10:42:41 PM
Depends on what you define as contenders O'Neil. Tyrone deserve a lot of credit for Sunday's performance but I wouldn't have you down as contenders, don't think for a minute you were capable of beating Kerry then going on to beat Dublin/Mayo in the final. Tyrone got the draw they wanted in the quarter final, if you'd have been drawn against Kerry/Dublin/Mayo you'd have been beaten and you wouldn't claiming to be contenders.
Do you think they could have won on Sunday?
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2015, 09:20:40 PM
Ach Jaysus lads, coming close to winning an All-Ireland makes you All-Ireland contenders.
If Mayo lost 10 AIs in a row by a point, are you saying they're not AI contenders.
Tyrone showed against Kerry that, contrary to almost national belief (including my own), they were AI contenders this year. If they'd been blitzed, then no.
A game of inches and luck. The Donegal keeper catching his heel when kicking out in the AI final last year is an example. That had nothing to do with experience or skill.
Al Pacino to play Mickey Harte?
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Just watching the highlights again on Sky tonight. I don't like to single out players but Ronan McNabb had a complete stinker. I think he was responsible for picking up Buckley early on and was taken for 3 easy points. Also, his indiscipline directly cost us a further 3 points. Firstly on 13 minutes he wouldn't give the ball back after a free on David Moran about 60 yards out. This led to the ball being moving to just within O'Donoghues range from which he kicked a point. Secondly on 48 mins a needless push on Crowley, when the rest of the defence were holding their shape, led to another easy free and finally, the much talked about late hit on Gooch when the ball was already wide, led to another easy free. Ronan is a player I rate very highly but these are 3 incidents of really poor, needless indiscipline that ultimately had a big baring on the game. If we throw in Morgan's crazy brain farts on the kick outs and it shows how suicidal we actually were on Sunday. Nevermind the goal chances, just keeping our composure doing the simple things could have been enough to win us that game. We only have ourselves to blame and hopefully these are the sort of things that will be ironed out next year to make us proper contenders!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 27, 2015, 12:20:13 AM
Just watching the highlights again on Sky tonight. I don't like to single out players but Ronan McNabb had a complete stinker. I think he was responsible for picking up Buckley early on and was taken for 3 easy points. Also, his indiscipline directly cost us a further 3 points. Firstly on 13 minutes he wouldn't give the ball back after a free on David Moran about 60 yards out. This led to the ball being moving to just within O'Donoghues range from which he kicked a point. Secondly on 48 mins a needless push on Crowley, when the rest of the defence were holding their shape, led to another easy free and finally, the much talked about late hit on Gooch when the ball was already wide, led to another easy free. Ronan is a player I rate very highly but these are 3 incidents of really poor, needless indiscipline that ultimately had a big baring on the game. If we throw in Morgan's crazy brain farts on the kick outs and it shows how suicidal we actually were on Sunday. Nevermind the goal chances, just keeping our composure doing the simple things could have been enough to win us that game. We only have ourselves to blame and hopefully these are the sort of things that will be ironed out next year to make us proper contenders!
Yup, McNabb has had a terrific seasons but his performance was blighted with big mistake, I thought on the whole he played well just did stupid things at that time. In saying that how far did Deegan bring that free up? It looked double the usual distance. He also brought a free up he called against McCann for overcarrying despite McCann throwing the ball him almost immediately after it took place.
Deegan was just dreadful on the day, there was one moment in the first half where he booked Maher for kicking the ball when Donnelly was going down on it, it was an extremely soft yellow card and what made it more ridiculous is that he completely ignored a blatant one minutes before when Walsh went in on McCrory who was going down on the ball. As obvious a free as you'd see and he waved play on, this was in scoring range as well. He was standing about 4 yards away from it simply had to have seen the foul.
I thought a lot of the 50/50 calls went against us, anytime O'Donoghue went to ground he got a free. There was a notable one in the first half where he simply let the ball slips through his hands under pressure from McNamee and got the free (no point came out of this) and there was also the one with McCarron in the second half where he took a dive (which did result in a point).
You can call it bias or paranoia but I felt that our frees had to be an awful lot more obvious and clear to win them than Kerry's had to be.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 27, 2015, 07:29:09 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 27, 2015, 12:20:13 AM
Just watching the highlights again on Sky tonight. I don't like to single out players but Ronan McNabb had a complete stinker. I think he was responsible for picking up Buckley early on and was taken for 3 easy points. Also, his indiscipline directly cost us a further 3 points. Firstly on 13 minutes he wouldn't give the ball back after a free on David Moran about 60 yards out. This led to the ball being moving to just within O'Donoghues range from which he kicked a point. Secondly on 48 mins a needless push on Crowley, when the rest of the defence were holding their shape, led to another easy free and finally, the much talked about late hit on Gooch when the ball was already wide, led to another easy free. Ronan is a player I rate very highly but these are 3 incidents of really poor, needless indiscipline that ultimately had a big baring on the game. If we throw in Morgan's crazy brain farts on the kick outs and it shows how suicidal we actually were on Sunday. Nevermind the goal chances, just keeping our composure doing the simple things could have been enough to win us that game. We only have ourselves to blame and hopefully these are the sort of things that will be ironed out next year to make us proper contenders!
Yup, McNabb has had a terrific seasons but his performance was blighted with big mistake, I thought on the whole he played well just did stupid things at that time. In saying that how far did Deegan bring that free up? It looked double the usual distance. He also brought a free up he called against McCann for overcarrying despite McCann throwing the ball him almost immediately after it took place.
Deegan was just dreadful on the day, there was one moment in the first half where he booked Maher for kicking the ball when Donnelly was going down on it, it was an extremely soft yellow card and what made it more ridiculous is that he completely ignored a blatant one minutes before when Walsh went in on McCrory who was going down on the ball. As obvious a free as you'd see and he waved play on, this was in scoring range as well. He was standing about 4 yards away from it simply had to have seen the foul.
I thought a lot of the 50/50 calls went against us, anytime O'Donoghue went to ground he got a free. There was a notable one in the first half where he simply let the ball slips through his hands under pressure from McNamee and got the free (no point came out of this) and there was also the one with McCarron in the second half where he took a dive (which did result in a point).
You can call it bias or paranoia but I felt that our frees had to be an awful lot more obvious and clear to win them than Kerry's had to be.
I would say probably bias and paranoia.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 27, 2015, 07:29:09 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 27, 2015, 12:20:13 AM
Just watching the highlights again on Sky tonight. I don't like to single out players but Ronan McNabb had a complete stinker. I think he was responsible for picking up Buckley early on and was taken for 3 easy points. Also, his indiscipline directly cost us a further 3 points. Firstly on 13 minutes he wouldn't give the ball back after a free on David Moran about 60 yards out. This led to the ball being moving to just within O'Donoghues range from which he kicked a point. Secondly on 48 mins a needless push on Crowley, when the rest of the defence were holding their shape, led to another easy free and finally, the much talked about late hit on Gooch when the ball was already wide, led to another easy free. Ronan is a player I rate very highly but these are 3 incidents of really poor, needless indiscipline that ultimately had a big baring on the game. If we throw in Morgan's crazy brain farts on the kick outs and it shows how suicidal we actually were on Sunday. Nevermind the goal chances, just keeping our composure doing the simple things could have been enough to win us that game. We only have ourselves to blame and hopefully these are the sort of things that will be ironed out next year to make us proper contenders!
Yup, McNabb has had a terrific seasons but his performance was blighted with big mistake, I thought on the whole he played well just did stupid things at that time. In saying that how far did Deegan bring that free up? It looked double the usual distance. He also brought a free up he called against McCann for overcarrying despite McCann throwing the ball him almost immediately after it took place.
Deegan was just dreadful on the day, there was one moment in the first half where he booked Maher for kicking the ball when Donnelly was going down on it, it was an extremely soft yellow card and what made it more ridiculous is that he completely ignored a blatant one minutes before when Walsh went in on McCrory who was going down on the ball. As obvious a free as you'd see and he waved play on, this was in scoring range as well. He was standing about 4 yards away from it simply had to have seen the foul.
I thought a lot of the 50/50 calls went against us, anytime O'Donoghue went to ground he got a free. There was a notable one in the first half where he simply let the ball slips through his hands under pressure from McNamee and got the free (no point came out of this) and there was also the one with McCarron in the second half where he took a dive (which did result in a point).
You can call it bias or paranoia but I felt that our frees had to be an awful lot more obvious and clear to win them than Kerry's had to be.
Definitely paranoia. You can debate all you want about refs but you missed goal chances and frees to put yourself in the position to win it and Kerry didn't. If you'd scored them you don't know if Kerry would have stepped up either so it's not like you miss chances and if you take them you win the game. Time to let it go...
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 27, 2015, 08:12:07 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 27, 2015, 07:29:09 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 27, 2015, 12:20:13 AM
Just watching the highlights again on Sky tonight. I don't like to single out players but Ronan McNabb had a complete stinker. I think he was responsible for picking up Buckley early on and was taken for 3 easy points. Also, his indiscipline directly cost us a further 3 points. Firstly on 13 minutes he wouldn't give the ball back after a free on David Moran about 60 yards out. This led to the ball being moving to just within O'Donoghues range from which he kicked a point. Secondly on 48 mins a needless push on Crowley, when the rest of the defence were holding their shape, led to another easy free and finally, the much talked about late hit on Gooch when the ball was already wide, led to another easy free. Ronan is a player I rate very highly but these are 3 incidents of really poor, needless indiscipline that ultimately had a big baring on the game. If we throw in Morgan's crazy brain farts on the kick outs and it shows how suicidal we actually were on Sunday. Nevermind the goal chances, just keeping our composure doing the simple things could have been enough to win us that game. We only have ourselves to blame and hopefully these are the sort of things that will be ironed out next year to make us proper contenders!
Yup, McNabb has had a terrific seasons but his performance was blighted with big mistake, I thought on the whole he played well just did stupid things at that time. In saying that how far did Deegan bring that free up? It looked double the usual distance. He also brought a free up he called against McCann for overcarrying despite McCann throwing the ball him almost immediately after it took place.
Deegan was just dreadful on the day, there was one moment in the first half where he booked Maher for kicking the ball when Donnelly was going down on it, it was an extremely soft yellow card and what made it more ridiculous is that he completely ignored a blatant one minutes before when Walsh went in on McCrory who was going down on the ball. As obvious a free as you'd see and he waved play on, this was in scoring range as well. He was standing about 4 yards away from it simply had to have seen the foul.
I thought a lot of the 50/50 calls went against us, anytime O'Donoghue went to ground he got a free. There was a notable one in the first half where he simply let the ball slips through his hands under pressure from McNamee and got the free (no point came out of this) and there was also the one with McCarron in the second half where he took a dive (which did result in a point).
You can call it bias or paranoia but I felt that our frees had to be an awful lot more obvious and clear to win them than Kerry's had to be.
Definitely paranoia. You can debate all you want about refs but you missed goal chances and frees to put yourself in the position to win it and Kerry didn't. If you'd scored them you don't know if Kerry would have stepped up either so it's not like you miss chances and if you take them you win the game. Time to let it go...
I know that, I'm not blaming the ref for our loss. We have ourselves to blame for that but he certainly made things very difficult for us.
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2015, 10:44:28 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 26, 2015, 10:42:41 PM
Depends on what you define as contenders O'Neil. Tyrone deserve a lot of credit for Sunday's performance but I wouldn't have you down as contenders, don't think for a minute you were capable of beating Kerry then going on to beat Dublin/Mayo in the final. Tyrone got the draw they wanted in the quarter final, if you'd have been drawn against Kerry/Dublin/Mayo you'd have been beaten and you wouldn't claiming to be contenders.
Do you think they could have won on Sunday?
Sorry to disappoint but I don't. I'm not as convinced as others are that Tyrone will be genuine contenders next year but if they are I will admit to been wrong.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 27, 2015, 07:29:09 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 27, 2015, 12:20:13 AM
Just watching the highlights again on Sky tonight. I don't like to single out players but Ronan McNabb had a complete stinker. I think he was responsible for picking up Buckley early on and was taken for 3 easy points. Also, his indiscipline directly cost us a further 3 points. Firstly on 13 minutes he wouldn't give the ball back after a free on David Moran about 60 yards out. This led to the ball being moving to just within O'Donoghues range from which he kicked a point. Secondly on 48 mins a needless push on Crowley, when the rest of the defence were holding their shape, led to another easy free and finally, the much talked about late hit on Gooch when the ball was already wide, led to another easy free. Ronan is a player I rate very highly but these are 3 incidents of really poor, needless indiscipline that ultimately had a big baring on the game. If we throw in Morgan's crazy brain farts on the kick outs and it shows how suicidal we actually were on Sunday. Nevermind the goal chances, just keeping our composure doing the simple things could have been enough to win us that game. We only have ourselves to blame and hopefully these are the sort of things that will be ironed out next year to make us proper contenders!
Yup, McNabb has had a terrific seasons but his performance was blighted with big mistake, I thought on the whole he played well just did stupid things at that time. In saying that how far did Deegan bring that free up? It looked double the usual distance. He also brought a free up he called against McCann for overcarrying despite McCann throwing the ball him almost immediately after it took place.
Deegan was just dreadful on the day, there was one moment in the first half where he booked Maher for kicking the ball when Donnelly was going down on it, it was an extremely soft yellow card and what made it more ridiculous is that he completely ignored a blatant one minutes before when Walsh went in on McCrory who was going down on the ball. As obvious a free as you'd see and he waved play on, this was in scoring range as well. He was standing about 4 yards away from it simply had to have seen the foul.
I thought a lot of the 50/50 calls went against us, anytime O'Donoghue went to ground he got a free. There was a notable one in the first half where he simply let the ball slips through his hands under pressure from McNamee and got the free (no point came out of this) and there was also the one with McCarron in the second half where he took a dive (which did result in a point).
You can call it bias or paranoia but I felt that our frees had to be an awful lot more obvious and clear to win them than Kerry's had to be.
Agreed, I'd call you very biased and paranoid.
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2015, 10:44:28 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 26, 2015, 10:42:41 PM
Depends on what you define as contenders O'Neil. Tyrone deserve a lot of credit for Sunday's performance but I wouldn't have you down as contenders, don't think for a minute you were capable of beating Kerry then going on to beat Dublin/Mayo in the final. Tyrone got the draw they wanted in the quarter final, if you'd have been drawn against Kerry/Dublin/Mayo you'd have been beaten and you wouldn't claiming to be contenders.
Do you think they could have won on Sunday?
No in my view . Kerry had an answer for everything you threw at them
Apart from the four goal chances we created and that's not including the two penalty incidents. We may not have had the composure in the final third to beat them but we certainly had the game plan and they struggled with us.
I would share the view on tactics. Mickey Harte showed what he's made of on Sunday and was much better than Fitzmaurice.
However tyrone just didn't have the players to execute.
You can say on another day etc etc but the only time you can know for sure what difference a score would have made to the game is in the last kick of it. At other points in the game you don't know how Kerry would have reacted. When the penalty went in and it went level they went up and blitzed you. Who's to say had Bradley scored etc etc they wouldn't have done the same.
Reality is you'll never know.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 27, 2015, 01:56:47 PM
I would share the view on tactics. Mickey Harte showed what he's made of on Sunday and was much better than Fitzmaurice.
However tyrone just didn't have the players to execute.
You can say on another day etc etc but the only time you can know for sure what difference a score would have made to the game is in the last kick of it. At other points in the game you don't know how Kerry would have reacted. When the penalty went in and it went level they went up and blitzed you. Who's to say had Bradley scored etc etc they wouldn't have done the same.
Reality is you'll never know.
surely you would have a game-plan that the players
can execute or change the game-plan before or during the game to suit?
I've read a few on here saying Harte got the better of Fitzmaurice..how? Tyrone play a 15 man defensive game and counter. They don't deviate from it. Fitzmaurice has game-plans to beat all setups as has been proven. Their system will change again for the final no doubt
Quote from: JoG2 on August 27, 2015, 02:12:11 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 27, 2015, 01:56:47 PM
I would share the view on tactics. Mickey Harte showed what he's made of on Sunday and was much better than Fitzmaurice.
However tyrone just didn't have the players to execute.
You can say on another day etc etc but the only time you can know for sure what difference a score would have made to the game is in the last kick of it. At other points in the game you don't know how Kerry would have reacted. When the penalty went in and it went level they went up and blitzed you. Who's to say had Bradley scored etc etc they wouldn't have done the same.
Reality is you'll never know.
surely you would have a game-plan that the players can execute or change the game-plan before or during the game to suit?
I've read a few on here saying Harte got the better of Fitzmaurice..how? Tyrone play a 15 man defensive game and counter. They don't deviate from it. Fitzmaurice has game-plans to beat all setups as has been proven. Their system will change again for the final no doubt
Yeah I don't see that either. It's what Dublin should have been able to do against Donegal last year but they weren't able to adapt.
Kerry were able to lose O'Se and take off Donaghy and still find their way around a system that was causing them trouble. Let's not forget they outscored Tyrone 18 to 12!
Quote from: JoG2 on August 27, 2015, 02:12:11 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 27, 2015, 01:56:47 PM
I would share the view on tactics. Mickey Harte showed what he's made of on Sunday and was much better than Fitzmaurice.
However tyrone just didn't have the players to execute.
You can say on another day etc etc but the only time you can know for sure what difference a score would have made to the game is in the last kick of it. At other points in the game you don't know how Kerry would have reacted. When the penalty went in and it went level they went up and blitzed you. Who's to say had Bradley scored etc etc they wouldn't have done the same.
Reality is you'll never know.
surely you would have a game-plan that the players can execute or change the game-plan before or during the game to suit?
I've read a few on here saying Harte got the better of Fitzmaurice..how? Tyrone play a 15 man defensive game and counter. They don't deviate from it. Fitzmaurice has game-plans to beat all setups as has been proven. Their system will change again for the final no doubt
Spot on, Kerry won by 4 points and reacted brilliantly to Tyrone coming back from 4 points down to level it. I don't see how anyone could think Harte got the better of Fitzmaurice. I don't think Tyrone ever really went for it in the last 5 minutes, they seemed content to get beat by 4 points as opposed to 7/8 point defeat if they'd opened up at the back and really chased the game. Its something Kevin Walsh alluded to after been beaten by Donegal that plenty of teams seem content to get beat by a few points and never really throw everything at it and abandon a counter attacking strategy.
Player for player tyrone are quite a bit off being as good as kerry - they have poorer defenders, a weaker midfield , considerably fewer forwards capable of getting scores and a weaker bench. For Harte to get a team so close to Kerry was ,in my book, a triumph. He got the best out of his team and his system got them in a position to have the potential to win the game. The players didn't take it and it was only potential but it was there.
At least we made Joe Brolly proud to be a Northerner and proud to be a Gael,now that's better than anything else!!
Looking like a hundred pager..... :D
Philly Jordan calls it about right I'd say, in his column today:
Jordan encouraged by Tyrone's campaign
27 August 2015
Philip Jordan is predicting a bright future for Tyrone after the county's run to the All-Ireland SFC semi-final.
Mickey Harte's new-look team put up a huge battle against Kerry last Sunday before succumbing to a four-point defeat.
"The Red Hand players will be hugely disappointed, having got so close to a first All-Ireland final in seven years. Once the hurt eases, however, they will look back on a year of massive progress," the three-time All-Ireland winning defender stated in his Irish News column.
"After last year's championship loss to Armagh, it would have been a brave Tyrone supporter who expected an All-Ireland semi-final place this time around. Tyrone lost an All-Ireland semi-final in 2013 and regressed the following year, but there is good reason to think next year will be different.
"The age profile of the team is much younger with only a few players in the 30-plus bracket. The likes of Sean Cavanagh and Joe McMahon will probably be enticed back for another year by the prospect of being potential challengers.
"The 2013 defeat to Mayo was also much more decisive and left you feeling that Tyrone were still some way off the top teams. On the evidence of Sunday, they have narrowed the gap significantly, although it's too early to call them certain All-Ireland challengers."
Hoganstand article (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=243267)
Fitzmaurice took a gamble on using his 2 midfielders to man mark Donnelly and Harte and Crowley (6) to shadow Cavanagh wherever they went. It worked. It created obvious gaps through the middle which Bradley, McCann, McCrory et al exploited to an extent but by marking those 3 Tyrone players out of it, Tyrone only scored 12 times. He knew they were the source of the majority scoring moves.
if the sunday game WASN'T BIASED would they not have highlighted Kerry's dark arts/cynical play/cheating ie; drag downs, dives and numerous hand trips
Lord jazes when is it ever going to stop?
Quote from: Hardy on August 27, 2015, 09:01:39 PM
Lord jazes when is it ever going to stop?
Hardy, we were still complaining about 1996 a few weeks ago, it's early days!!
Quote from: Club Rossa on August 27, 2015, 03:13:50 PM
At least we made Joe Brolly proud to be a Northerner and proud to be a Gael,now that's better than anything else!!
Was he ashamed to be a "northerner" at say 3.29 pm last Sunday???
Quote from: Hardy on August 27, 2015, 09:01:39 PM
Lord jazes when is it ever going to stop?
Page 101 :D
Quote from: Rossfan on August 27, 2015, 11:51:09 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 27, 2015, 09:01:39 PM
Lord jazes when is it ever going to stop?
Page 101 :D
Depends how your pages are configured (just over 50 with me), d'oh!
You and the rest of the curmudgeonly contingent do yourselves a favour and DON'T FECKING CLICK ON THE THREAD! Unless of course, you need your daily quota of whining and complaining :P
Have all the Tyronies gone to Bundoran for the weekend. There hasn't been a post on this thread for about 20 hours! ;D
I agree that there's no guarantee that we'll be contenders next year. We were this year though, due to a run from heaven.
Disagree. Our run was no better than kerrys annual run. If they can get this type of draw year in year out surely we can again.
That's true.
Quote from: ONeill on August 28, 2015, 10:40:35 PM
I agree that there's no guarantee that we'll be contenders next year. We were this year though, due to a run from heaven.
Definitely became contenders this year. I'd be a bit wary of 2nd season syndrome next year given it was a breakthrough year for a good few lads this year.
I wonder are Meath not as far away as they seem? The Westmeath match was a freak game, and there was only a soft penalty between them and Tyrone. Or did Tyrone play below par in that game?
Quote from: Hound on August 29, 2015, 07:52:39 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 28, 2015, 10:40:35 PM
I agree that there's no guarantee that we'll be contenders next year. We were this year though, due to a run from heaven.
Definitely became contenders this year. I'd be a bit wary of 2nd season syndrome next year given it was a breakthrough year for a good few lads this year.
I wonder are Meath not as far away as they seem? The Westmeath match was a freak game, and there was only a soft penalty between them and Tyrone. Or did Tyrone play below par in that game?
We only need to look at Armagh for that, they were superb last year and really should have held out against Donegal late on but failed to do so. From what I saw of them in Championship action this year they are a rabble, in saying that I think we're a level ahead of them and I think that Monaghan game have the players the belied to go along with the ability, it saw us retain our swagger.
Priority for next year will be an Ulster title, I think we've had some absolutely rotten draws in Ulster in the past 5 years so could do with a slice of luck in that, although it's rare you get a handy draw in Ulster.
On Meath, it was the first time they adopted a defensive gameplan and despite it obviously been thrown together on a whim, they carried it out well and could easily have beaten us that day. They've played naive, outdated football in recent years and have achieved nothing playing it. I believe they have the players to be a test for the current big boys if they get with the program and develop a game plan to suit current day needs, still probably a good 2/3 years off that though but it's a very young panel.
Quote from: Throw ball on August 28, 2015, 10:35:19 PM
Have all the Tyronies gone to Bundoran for the weekend. There hasn't been a post on this thread for about 20 hours! ;D
What made this game v entertaining was that tyrone never got ahead in the second half and were always chasing the game. If tyrone had gone a couple of points ahead at any stage they would have resorted to their usual cynicism (diving, going down for treatment for minutes at a time, pushing and shoving and mouthing around free kick awards). Fair play to Kerry for continuing to concentrate on football which meant the closing stages were relatively open and entertaining. As for tyrone they could be contenders next year but need an injection of quality with mcgeary and the brennans maybe strengthening the team. They were shown up against kerry as having a few poor enough footballers.
Quote from: lenny on August 29, 2015, 09:02:07 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on August 28, 2015, 10:35:19 PM
Have all the Tyronies gone to Bundoran for the weekend. There hasn't been a post on this thread for about 20 hours! ;D
What made this game v entertaining was that tyrone never got ahead in the second half and were always chasing the game. If tyrone had gone a couple of points ahead at any stage they would have resorted to their usual cynicism (diving, going down for treatment for minutes at a time, pushing and shoving and mouthing around free kick awards). Fair play to Kerry for continuing to concentrate on football which meant the closing stages were relatively open and entertaining. As for tyrone they could be contenders next year but need an injection of quality with mcgeary and the brennans maybe strengthening the team. They were shown up against kerry as having a few poor enough footballers.
Absolutely! That's why the non penalty was so important! We wouldn't have lost from that position!!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 29, 2015, 09:58:13 AM
Quote from: lenny on August 29, 2015, 09:02:07 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on August 28, 2015, 10:35:19 PM
Have all the Tyronies gone to Bundoran for the weekend. There hasn't been a post on this thread for about 20 hours! ;D
What made this game v entertaining was that tyrone never got ahead in the second half and were always chasing the game. If tyrone had gone a couple of points ahead at any stage they would have resorted to their usual cynicism (diving, going down for treatment for minutes at a time, pushing and shoving and mouthing around free kick awards). Fair play to Kerry for continuing to concentrate on football which meant the closing stages were relatively open and entertaining. As for tyrone they could be contenders next year but need an injection of quality with mcgeary and the brennans maybe strengthening the team. They were shown up against kerry as having a few poor enough footballers.
Absolutely! That's why the non penalty was so important! We wouldn't have lost from that position!!
Correct, it was a non penalty. The so called foul occurred outside the large rectangle and mcnulty dived inside. To be fair I think it probably was a foul initially but the exaggerated dive made it an easy decision for the ref. The yellow card for mcnulty was very harsh also and in my opinion was a totally incorrect application of the rules. The Mccann "hairgate" scandal highlighted for everyone the rules around this. When a ref sees someone "feigning injury" he should give them a yellow card ie mccann should have got a yellow card. Mcnulty however didn't feign injury, he simply exaggerated his fall to the ground hoping to win a penalty. At no stage did he pretend to be injured.
It's a yellow card, whether feigning injury or diving for a foul.
RULE 5 - AGGRESSIVE FOULS
5.4 To attempt to achieve an advantage by feigning a
foul or injury.
I think there should be a distinction, though. Yellow for diving for a foul, black for feigning injury (until we abolish the black - red then).
I see Conor Mc kenna just kicked his first AFL goal inside the first 5 mins of starting for Essendon.
Tyrone are going to miss him
Good start for McKenna. Sledged the fook outta them.
What channel?
Quote from: INDIANA on August 29, 2015, 01:48:48 PM
I see Conor Mc kenna just kicked his first AFL goal inside the first 5 mins of starting for Essendon.
Tyrone are going to miss him
He'll clean up all around him, garner every accolade there is to be gathered, get bored, come home to Tyrone. Sin é :)
4 disposals, 2 marks, 2 tackles and a goal.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 29, 2015, 02:12:17 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 29, 2015, 01:48:48 PM
I see Conor Mc kenna just kicked his first AFL goal inside the first 5 mins of starting for Essendon.
Tyrone are going to miss him
He'll clean up all around him, garner every accolade there is to be gathered, get bored, come home to Tyrone. Sin é :)
Sooner rather than later I hope!!
After watching the poor standard in the 2nd semi maybe the experts were wrong and the two best teams in the country were in the first semi-final. :P
well no argument on which was the better, cleaner game
Tyrone wud bate the pick a Dublin and Mayo.
Sure ye introduced all this stuff to the game.
Jinxy I would imagine that dublin and meath were the kings of dirt tackles. Cooper was a straight red....ive never seen a tyrone player do that...
Quote from: Jinxy on August 31, 2015, 08:36:56 AM
Sure ye introduced all this stuff to the game.
Yes, it looks like Tyrone could actually win the All-Ireland for Mayo, finally.
The homecoming should be in Omagh. Or give us the Goal challenge match.
Seen this video there on Tyrone v Kerry
https://vimeo.com/137688355
Interesting take on it, defo something we could look at and learn for the future is to build the relationship with the referee.
From my own experience playing I always tried to befriend the ref a bit because I couldnt play much so I had delve into the old dark art box of tricks fairly regular!
Older lads shoulda been providing leadership here, management also should have been making them aware of this but feckin Horse Devlin probably wound Deegan up more than anyone.
Quote from: delgany on August 31, 2015, 09:20:51 AM
Jinxy I would imagine that dublin and meath were the kings of dirt tackles. Cooper was a straight red....ive never seen a tyrone player do that...
What's your name. Ricey Gormley, get a grip lad !!!