Only a week to discuss this.
If Monaghan win it, the big one is within reach.
This will be a typically tight Ulster game but there's no reason we shouldn't be confident. Tyrone's forwards won't have as much space and time as they did today, a similar defensive effort to the Ulster final will go a long way to a Monaghan win.
Quote from: Schkite on August 01, 2015, 08:30:47 PM
This will be a typically tight Ulster game but there's no reason we shouldn't be confident. Tyrone's forwards won't have as much space and time as they did today, a similar defensive effort to the Ulster final will go a long way to a Monaghan win.
Mark Conor Mc Manus and Monaghan lose. C'est simple.
Monaghan's to lose.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 01, 2015, 08:52:05 PM
Quote from: Schkite on August 01, 2015, 08:30:47 PM
This will be a typically tight Ulster game but there's no reason we shouldn't be confident. Tyrone's forwards won't have as much space and time as they did today, a similar defensive effort to the Ulster final will go a long way to a Monaghan win.
Mark Conor Mc Manus and Monaghan lose. C'est simple.
Donegal couldn't do it in Ulster final. So easier said than done.
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Quote from: Schkite on August 01, 2015, 08:30:47 PM
This will be a typically tight Ulster game but there's no reason we shouldn't be confident. Tyrone's forwards won't have as much space and time as they did today, a similar defensive effort to the Ulster final will go a long way to a Monaghan win.
Mark Conor Mc Manus and Monaghan lose. C'est simple.
Hardly. I suppose because Tyrone don't have a forward of that quality, we shouldn't have to worry about marking anybody too closely.
Quote from: orangeman on August 01, 2015, 08:53:43 PM
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Quote from: Schkite on August 01, 2015, 08:30:47 PM
This will be a typically tight Ulster game but there's no reason we shouldn't be confident. Tyrone's forwards won't have as much space and time as they did today, a similar defensive effort to the Ulster final will go a long way to a Monaghan win.
Mark Conor Mc Manus and Monaghan lose. C'est simple.
Donegal couldn't do it in Ulster final. So easier said than done.
They did a couple of years ago though and Kieran Hughes was the main man in the Ulster final. McManus did little from play against Kildare last year and McGuinness was the match winner. Sometimes you'd swear McManus and Monaghan were like Declan Browne and Tipp the way some people go on about it. Just because we have a top quality forward, it doesn't mean there's nobody else to take a score. I'd say we've a better spread of scorers these days than we ever had.
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Quote from: Schkite on August 01, 2015, 08:30:47 PM
This will be a typically tight Ulster game but there's no reason we shouldn't be confident. Tyrone's forwards won't have as much space and time as they did today, a similar defensive effort to the Ulster final will go a long way to a Monaghan win.
Mark Conor Mc Manus and Monaghan lose. C'est simple.
Donegal couldn't do it in Ulster final. So easier said than done.
They did a couple of years ago though and Kieran Hughes was the main man in the Ulster final. McManus did little from play against Kildare last year and McGuinness was the match winner. Sometimes you'd swear McManus and Monaghan were like Declan Browne and Tipp the way some people go on about it. Just because we have a top quality forward, it doesn't mean there's nobody else to take a score. I'd say we've a better spread of scorers these days than we ever had.
He did little against Dublin last year as well and look how that ended.
If Tyrone limit him they'll win.
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Quote from: Schkite on August 01, 2015, 08:30:47 PM
This will be a typically tight Ulster game but there's no reason we shouldn't be confident. Tyrone's forwards won't have as much space and time as they did today, a similar defensive effort to the Ulster final will go a long way to a Monaghan win.
Mark Conor Mc Manus and Monaghan lose. C'est simple.
Hardly. I suppose because Tyrone don't have a forward of that quality, we shouldn't have to worry about marking anybody too closely.
Their other forwards all chip in. Stats speak for themselves.
The Monaghan boys have been giving Tyrone abuse for a few weeks now and seem determined to talk themselves up. I'd have thought history would have taught them against this. When you look at what the 2 sets of players and managers have done in croke park you have to favour Tyrone. Ten or twelve boys involved today have won all Ireland's at some level. We'll not fear Monaghan one bit in what is a season defining game.
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This will be a typically tight Ulster game but there's no reason we shouldn't be confident. Tyrone's forwards won't have as much space and time as they did today, a similar defensive effort to the Ulster final will go a long way to a Monaghan win.
Mark Conor Mc Manus and Monaghan lose. C'est simple.
Donegal couldn't do it in Ulster final. So easier said than done.
They did a couple of years ago though and Kieran Hughes was the main man in the Ulster final. McManus did little from play against Kildare last year and McGuinness was the match winner. Sometimes you'd swear McManus and Monaghan were like Declan Browne and Tipp the way some people go on about it. Just because we have a top quality forward, it doesn't mean there's nobody else to take a score. I'd say we've a better spread of scorers these days than we ever had.
He did little against Dublin last year as well and look how that ended.
If Tyrone limit him they'll win.
I hardly need to tell you that the current Tyrone and Dublin teams are very different animals. Plus our preparation for this quarter final is much better than last years.
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Quote from: Schkite on August 01, 2015, 08:30:47 PM
This will be a typically tight Ulster game but there's no reason we shouldn't be confident. Tyrone's forwards won't have as much space and time as they did today, a similar defensive effort to the Ulster final will go a long way to a Monaghan win.
Mark Conor Mc Manus and Monaghan lose. C'est simple.
Hardly. I suppose because Tyrone don't have a forward of that quality, we shouldn't have to worry about marking anybody too closely.
Their other forwards all chip in. Stats speak for themselves.
And so are our other players chipping in too. Like I said we've a better spread of scorers than we've ever had.
Monaghan for me in a dour game.
Monaghan favourites for this, however, Donegal's wretched performance in front of the posts in the Ulster final masked a poor enough Monaghan performance IMO. If Donegal were half as poor in front of goal in May we'd have beaten them.
We'll need to step it up a gear or two and be more ruthless, wide tally still far too high in all our games. If we can keep it tight for the first half we stand a good chance.
This isn't a case of marking Conor McManus and you win and anyone with any credible understanding of how Monaghan have developed over the past 4-5 years would realise this. McManus is a super player and yes Tyrone will have to put a plan in place to deal with the threat as it would be suicide not to. But, we also must work out a way around Monaghan's highly refined system of play, their defensive expertise, their ability to break forward especially from the addition of Karl O'Donnell. They can break from very deep with Dessie Mone and have out and out superb defenders in Corey and Wylie. Malachy o'Rourke knows Tyrone football and will understand what Tyrone have been planning and has a good record in recent games against us. However, I do think Tyrone are progressing nicely and said during the league that if we make it to August we could be dangerous. A real, proper championship match in store, I've my flights booked and can't wait.
I fancy Monaghan to win this fairly easily. Tyrone haven't been up against anything this year bar their defeat to Donegal.
They have the 2 McMahons, Harte, Donnelly and Cavanagh really and if one of those lads has an off day the other players will lose heart.
Monaghan seem to be a team on a mission this year and while I wouldn't fancy them against the Dubs, Mayo or Kerry I think they have enough to beat a fairly limited Tyrone team.
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Quote from: Schkite on August 01, 2015, 08:30:47 PM
This will be a typically tight Ulster game but there's no reason we shouldn't be confident. Tyrone's forwards won't have as much space and time as they did today, a similar defensive effort to the Ulster final will go a long way to a Monaghan win.
Mark Conor Mc Manus and Monaghan lose. C'est simple.
Donegal couldn't do it in Ulster final. So easier said than done.
It's a brain dead analysis of how to stop Monaghan winning.
A cliche you hear from empty vesseled people who zealously subscribe to vacant soundbite punditry.
In that arena, the pigs on the farm all chant together 'Mark McManus and you have Monaghan beat', fact!!!
Main Street shut up u tool
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Quote from: Schkite on August 01, 2015, 08:30:47 PM
This will be a typically tight Ulster game but there's no reason we shouldn't be confident. Tyrone's forwards won't have as much space and time as they did today, a similar defensive effort to the Ulster final will go a long way to a Monaghan win.
Mark Conor Mc Manus and Monaghan lose. C'est simple.
Donegal couldn't do it in Ulster final. So easier said than done.
It's a brain dead analysis of how to stop Monaghan winning.
A cliche you hear from empty vesseled people who zealously subscribe to vacant soundbite punditry.
In that arena, the pigs on the farm all chant together 'Mark McManus and you have Monaghan beat', fact!!!
Yes but you're the fella whose words to describe Tyrone players scraped every barrel possible. Your analysis is hardly creditable either.
Wonder if McManus is clean through on goal will he be hauled down by his togs ?
Will it need to be done again?
(http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/multimedia/dynamic/00362/STS1101U1INDEXTYRON_362782k.jpg)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 01, 2015, 10:52:37 PM
Will it need to be done again?
(http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/multimedia/dynamic/00362/STS1101U1INDEXTYRON_362782k.jpg)
Just walked past McManus on Jones' Road! Checking out the opposition!
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Quote from: Schkite on August 01, 2015, 08:30:47 PM
This will be a typically tight Ulster game but there's no reason we shouldn't be confident. Tyrone's forwards won't have as much space and time as they did today, a similar defensive effort to the Ulster final will go a long way to a Monaghan win.
Mark Conor Mc Manus and Monaghan lose. C'est simple.
Donegal couldn't do it in Ulster final. So easier said than done.
It's a brain dead analysis of how to stop Monaghan winning.
A cliche you hear from empty vesseled people who zealously subscribe to vacant soundbite punditry.
In that arena, the pigs on the farm all chant together 'Mark McManus and you have Monaghan beat', fact!!!
No more brain dead then your demographic analysis of Dublin my friendc
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 01, 2015, 10:52:37 PM
Will it need to be done again?
(http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/multimedia/dynamic/00362/STS1101U1INDEXTYRON_362782k.jpg)
Just walked past McManus on Jones' Road! Checking out the opposition!
Surely the first time in McManus' life that a Tyrone man has got near him without trying to tackle him?
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Will it need to be done again?
(http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/multimedia/dynamic/00362/STS1101U1INDEXTYRON_362782k.jpg)
Just walked past McManus on Jones' Road! Checking out the opposition!
Surely the first time in McManus' life that a Tyrone man has got near him without trying to tackle him?
Definite black card all day long.
So it seems that, at this stage, Ulster is the strongest footballing province? I'm all for a Tyrone v Donegal in a dour final with a couple of rows around half time, Tyrone to pip Donegal with a free for a Cavanagh swallow-dive, followed by a banquet boycott. If Carlsberg....
Quote from: Whishtup on August 01, 2015, 11:44:22 PM
So it seems that, at this stage, Ulster is the strongest footballing province? I'm all for a Tyrone v Donegal in a dour final with a couple of rows around half time, Tyrone to pip Donegal with a free for a Cavanagh swallow-dive, followed by a banquet boycott. If Carlsberg....
Clearly with 4 contenders it is . Only an idiot would suggest otherwise
However no Ulster county will lift Sam in 2015
It's Counties that win All Irelands not Provinces.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 02, 2015, 12:17:22 AM
It's Counties that win All Irelands not Provinces.
Unless you're from Connacht and then only clubs win them :-[
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It's Counties that win All Irelands not Provinces.
Could be Mayos year
spread the word
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Quote from: Rossfan on August 02, 2015, 12:17:22 AM
It's Counties that win All Irelands not Provinces.
Could be Mayos year
spread the word
I fancy a Donegal Kerry final.
Very possibe a Kerry Mayo final...they did provide the best two games of the championship last year-titanic struggles, the first game being possibly the best game of football I have ever seen for intensity.
Marty Duffy is reffing this...
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Quote from: Rossfan on August 02, 2015, 12:17:22 AM
It's Counties that win All Irelands not Provinces.
Could be Mayos year
spread the word
I fancy a Donegal Kerry final.
I fancy a mayo v Kerry final
With the usual result
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Marty Duffy is reffing this...
Expect the Unexpected™
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It's Counties that win All Irelands not Provinces.
Could be Mayos year
spread the word
I fancy a Donegal Kerry final.
I fancy a mayo v Kerry final
With the usual result
You took the Bate! ;) (Knew you did not fancy Mayo!)
Monaghan have yet to prove they are a Croke Park team to date. Their biggest championship wins were in their own back yard. I doubt they would have won their 2 recent Ulster finals if they were in Ballybofey or Croker.
Monaghan 4/6
Tyrone 13/8
Very surprised at that! I think Tyrone are massively overpriced.
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 02, 2015, 04:40:41 AM
Monaghan 4/6
Tyrone 13/8
Very surprised at that! I think Tyrone are massively overpriced.
Bookies rarely wrong, both games yesterday were won by the favourites.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 02, 2015, 12:17:22 AM
It's Counties that win All Irelands not Provinces.
The provinces help ensure safe passage.
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Quote from: Rossfan on August 02, 2015, 12:17:22 AM
It's Counties that win All Irelands not Provinces.
The provinces help ensure safe passage.
Bollix. A handy provincial championsip allows ulster counties make the QFs without breaking a sweat. Galway and Sligo were out on their feet yesterday after slogging through Connacht
I can't see there being much in it but I think Monaghan have the edge in terms of our system of play and our players. Monaghan have shown great experience in games this year, something we didn't have in previous years e.g. Tyrone in the 2007 & 2010 Ulster finals. Tyrone are definitely building momentum but I think they'll face a totally different animal than Sligo yesterday, with all respect to Sligo.
There's no doubt revenge will play a big part in this game. 2013 was horrible; S Cavanagh got D Hughes harshly yellow carded, Gollogly missing the goal chance, the the McManus fiasco, the result!! It was sore to watch from a Monaghan point of view.
Here's the BBC link from the game:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/23529081 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/23529081) It didn't lack action in fairness!
I have a lot of respect for Tyrone, they've some great players and will certainly not fear Monaghan..
I still think we'll do it though.. ;)
Definitely have to give monaghan lots of credit and respect for what they have achieved with probably their best ever group of players. It's probably the last throw of the dice for a number of the group. I think monaghan are in the mindset for all Ireland finals whereas Tyrone are in bonus territory. Think the team and management have really had a great run at it. But as a Tyrone man it makes me sad to say that it is Monaghan who will be everybodies favourites to win by 5 or 6 points. This monaghan team are determined to put Sam on the mantlepiece at castle Leslie?
Monaghan in Croke Park are a different team to Monaghan in Clones. They actually put it up to Dublin in the league in Clones, but seemingly get blinded by the big floodlights of Croker and don't know what to do.
Would be happy to be proven wrong as I don't particularly care a jot for Tyrone, but they should have enough to beat Monaghan here.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 02, 2015, 12:16:46 PM
Monaghan in Croke Park are a different team to Monaghan in Clones. They actually put it up to Dublin in the league in Clones, but seemingly get blinded by the big floodlights of Croker and don't know what to do.
You beat us by more than 10 points in Clones and by 1 point in Croker this year; I'm struggling with your logic? Obviously you hammered us in the quarter final last year but I don't think it's a fair comparison.
There shouldn't be too many floodlights needed in at 4pm in Croke Park in Aug, although you'd never know with this 'bleedin wedder.
Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2015, 12:15:18 PM
Definitely have to give monaghan lots of credit and respect for what they have achieved with probably their best ever group of players. It's probably the last throw of the dice for a number of the group. I think monaghan are in the mindset for all Ireland finals whereas Tyrone are in bonus territory. Think the team and management have really had a great run at it. But as a Tyrone man it makes me sad to say that it is Monaghan who will be everybodies favourites to win by 5 or 6 points. This monaghan team are determined to put Sam on the mantlepiece at castle Leslie?
On the potential retirees, would Tyrone not have a few also: S Cavanagh, Joe McMahon??
I would put the house on Monaghan tbh, not surprised at the odds at all, Monaghan by 3+ for me.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 02, 2015, 12:16:46 PM
Monaghan in Croke Park are a different team to Monaghan in Clones. They actually put it up to Dublin in the league in Clones, but seemingly get blinded by the big floodlights of Croker and don't know what to do.
Would be happy to be proven wrong as I don't particularly care a jot for Tyrone, but they should have enough to beat Monaghan here.
:D Here's a typical Dub showing what he knows about football.
Monaghan man at the match yesterday was telling me that monaghan have never won a championship match in croke park...is that true?
They beat Kikdare after extra time last year in Croker.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 02, 2015, 01:05:30 PM
They beat Kikdare after extra time last year in Croker.
And we had a win 84 years before that!
Can't see either Tyrone or monaghan or anyone stopping kerry this year.
A tough dirty sledgefest with cards of all colours .
Viewers discretion etc
Couldn't call it .No doubt the ref will make a telling contribution.
Not much of a prize for monaghan if they bate Tyrone.
Is there a chance that this could be orourkes last game in charge of monaghan.
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Is there a chance that this could be orourkes last game in charge of monaghan.
What makes you think that? Last year he extended his contract until the end of 2017.
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Not much of a prize for monaghan if they bate Tyrone.
They need to bring Eamonn McEneaney out of retirement to take the frees.
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Is there a chance that this could be orourkes last game in charge of monaghan.
What makes you think that? Last year he extended his contract until the end of 2017.
Can't say
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/september-road-tyrone-qualifier-breakdown-1.2305072 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/september-road-tyrone-qualifier-breakdown-1.2305072)
McCurry certainly seems to be in line for some top scoring records should he stay injury free in future years.
I wonder will Justy be back in to mark McManus on Sat or will he be double teamed. Maybe McNabb will get the job.
I've a feeling the league hammering they gave us will be to our advantage this time. I think Monaghan fans are thinking they have our number now and are rightfully the kings of Ulster now, having finally surpassed us.
I think it could come down to discipline again and scores from frees as I expect both teams to set up very very defensively. Will we see another version of how Justy marked Murphy I wonder.
Fuzzman - Why did you lock the Sligo thread?
I just don't see McCurry as a top forward to be honest, he can't really win his own ball and beat men. He usually scores when he is simply given a pass in space, we need more than that.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 03, 2015, 09:44:47 AM
I just don't see McCurry as a top forward to be honest, he can't really win his own ball and beat men. He usually scores when he is simply given a pass in space, we need more than that.
Agree I think him and mc caliskey will both crumble under pressure form here on in. Hope I am wrong.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 03, 2015, 09:44:47 AM
I just don't see McCurry as a top forward to be honest, he can't really win his own ball and beat men. He usually scores when he is simply given a pass in space, we need more than that.
He'll not get that against Monaghan anyway, Mon are like Donegal in my opinion,you need your long range kickers on top form to beat them so Cavanagh and Harte will have a lot of responsibility on their shoulders but they're well able for it.
Ye have to fancy Tyrone for this one, they have the momentum, they have the form, Mickey Harte is a cute bugger who will close down the space afforded to McManus and when you do that Monaghan don't function. Tyrone by 3.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 03, 2015, 11:11:21 AM
Ye have to fancy Tyrone for this one, they have the momentum, they have the form, Mickey Harte is a cute bugger who will close down the space afforded to McManus and when you do that Monaghan don't function. Tyrone by 3.
so Tyrone will be able to mange what Donegal couldn't? Can't see it myself. Monaghan by 2 in a tight dogged affair
The pick of the 2 sides wouldn't trouble Kerry so I don't expect the winner to have any bearing on the AI. I think it will be another tight slugfest as is usual with these 2 sides and if it was played anywhere but Croke Park I'd strongly fancy Monaghan. Still think Monaghan with the benefit of a couple of Ulster titles now will have the know how to get over the line this time.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2015, 11:21:26 AM
The pick of the 2 sides wouldn't trouble Kerry so I don't expect the winner to have any bearing on the AI. I think it will be another tight slugfest as is usual with these 2 sides and if it was played anywhere but Croke Park I'd strongly fancy Monaghan. Still think Monaghan with the benefit of a couple of Ulster titles now will have the know how to get over the line this time.
That to me is absolute rubbish. Kerry struggled 3 weeks ago to beat a poor Cork team. They were lucky to beat Donegal in the final last year. There best forward from last year looks likely to be out as well. I'm not saying either Tyrone or Monaghan would beat Kerry but there's a fair chance they'd give them a decent game and combined together would more than likely beat Kerry.
A team like Kerry will always look good when given as much space as Kildare gave them yesterday. They'll face a much different task in 3 weeks time no matter who they play.
I think this'll be too close to call. Maybe a point either way. A lot of pressure on Monaghan to win a quarter final but O'Rourke's a canny manager and will have them primed.
Can't see Tyrone troubling Kerry, Mayo or Dublin because of lack of physicality. Monaghan will give Kerry a better game.
Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2015, 07:20:58 PM
I think this'll be too close to call. Maybe a point either way. A lot of pressure on Monaghan to win a quarter final but O'Rourke's a canny manager and will have them primed.
Can't see Tyrone troubling Kerry, Mayo or Dublin because of lack of physicality. Monaghan will give Kerry a better game.
Have to agree with that....but in the spirit of fermanagh and the best province the winners will give it a lash.
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Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2015, 07:20:58 PM
I think this'll be too close to call. Maybe a point either way. A lot of pressure on Monaghan to win a quarter final but O'Rourke's a canny manager and will have them primed.
Can't see Tyrone troubling Kerry, Mayo or Dublin because of lack of physicality. Monaghan will give Kerry a better game.
Have to agree with that....but in the spirit of fermanagh and the best province the winners will give it a lash.
I think both Saturday's games are too close to call! Looking forward to a tense and tough couple of games after the rubbish at the weekend. I can see McCarron picking up McManus as he did two years ago and Justy and maybe Clarke coming in to add a bit of physicality that Tyrone might need against a very strong and experienced Monaghan. Looking forward to it!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 03, 2015, 11:11:21 AM
Ye have to fancy Tyrone for this one, they have the momentum, they have the form, Mickey Harte is a cute bugger who will close down the space afforded to McManus and when you do that Monaghan don't function. Tyrone by 3.
Tyrone have no more momentum or form than Monaghan. Tyrone have been beaten 3 Division 3 teams and Meath. Probably as easy a path as they could have asked for.
And if Mickey Harte's cuteness is to close down McManus... well we'll see. The idea isn't exactly a revelation, but if Donegal couldn't do it...
Another dilemma for Tyrone on Saturday: if Monaghan get some momentum, Tyrone won't be able to try turning off the lights.
We have been testing out the new drogue defence...
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 03, 2015, 11:11:21 AM
Ye have to fancy Tyrone for this one, they have the momentum, they have the form, Mickey Harte is a cute bugger who will close down the space afforded to McManus and when you do that Monaghan don't function. Tyrone by 3.
Tyrone have no more momentum or form than Monaghan. Tyrone have been beaten 3 Division 3 teams and Meath. Probably as easy a path as they could have asked for.
And if Mickey Harte's cuteness is to close down McManus... well we'll see. The idea isn't exactly a revelation, but if Donegal couldn't do it...
Donegal's defence isn't operating at the level it has done in the past, so I wouldn't necessarily say that McManus is unmarkable for this reason. However, I agree that shutting him down is not the B all and end all as that would be a very naive game plan. I don't think Mickey is naive.
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 03, 2015, 11:11:21 AM
Ye have to fancy Tyrone for this one, they have the momentum, they have the form, Mickey Harte is a cute bugger who will close down the space afforded to McManus and when you do that Monaghan don't function. Tyrone by 3.
Tyrone have no more momentum or form than Monaghan. Tyrone have been beaten 3 Division 3 teams and Meath. Probably as easy a path as they could have asked for.
And if Mickey Harte's cuteness is to close down McManus... well we'll see. The idea isn't exactly a revelation, but if Donegal couldn't do it...
Donegal's defence isn't operating at the level it has done in the past, so I wouldn't necessarily say that McManus is unmarkable for this reason. However, I agree that shutting him down is not the B all and end all as that would be a very naive game plan. I don't think Mickey is naive.
I agree. The idea that Monaghan have nothing other than McManus is just a lazy comment that is repeated time and time again. McManus is a class act, but Monaghan has a great spread of scorers at the minute. McManus generally comes out on top in the stats, but he kicks plenty of frees won by other players.
And even if Donegal's defence isn't what it was, the question is whether Tyrone's is better.
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 03, 2015, 11:11:21 AM
Ye have to fancy Tyrone for this one, they have the momentum, they have the form, Mickey Harte is a cute bugger who will close down the space afforded to McManus and when you do that Monaghan don't function. Tyrone by 3.
Tyrone have no more momentum or form than Monaghan. Tyrone have been beaten 3 Division 3 teams and Meath. Probably as easy a path as they could have asked for.
And if Mickey Harte's cuteness is to close down McManus... well we'll see. The idea isn't exactly a revelation, but if Donegal couldn't do it...
Donegal's defence isn't operating at the level it has done in the past, so I wouldn't necessarily say that McManus is unmarkable for this reason. However, I agree that shutting him down is not the B all and end all as that would be a very naive game plan. I don't think Mickey is naive.
I agree. The idea that Monaghan have nothing other than McManus is just a lazy comment that is repeated time and time again. McManus is a class act, but Monaghan has a great spread of scorers at the minute. McManus generally comes out on top in the stats, but he kicks plenty of frees won by other players.
And even if Donegal's defence isn't what it was, the question is whether Tyrone's is better.
Mickey's plan will be to shut down the entire Monaghan attack as has been the style for every match we've played since Dublin in the league, give or take. The winning and losing of the match will be if our defence can negate your attack better than you can negate ours. A real game of chess this one.
Corey will most likely shadow Sean in a repeat of his marking of Murphy.
Mattie D and D Hughes will probably face off in a battle that sees almost identical styles of play.
McCarron will take McManus.
Who'll you send out against McCurry and McAliskey?
Colm against McAdam or Lennon.
I'd say Mone will mark Petey Harte. I'd imagine McCann will pick up O'Connell. Either this or vice-versa.
Joe and Ronan McNabb to sweep for us. McNamee will either pick up Duffy or K Hughes.
We used Colm as a sweeper the last day which was a shocking selection as he is amongst our worst tacklers and a repeat fouler. A repeat of that strategy would see Monaghan prevail this weekend.
Very surprised Monaghan only used 3 subs the last day, they were out on their feet for the last 10 and it nearly cost them the match.
I think mcmanus is almost unmarkable. It will come down to the overal Tyrone defensive effort throughout the field. Tyrone will need a higher level of possession to win this game and tyrones keep ball could be important. Don't think it has the makings of a classic attacking game, but intriguing defensive it will be..If monaghan have more than 50% possession the favourites will win.
Quote from: trileacman on August 03, 2015, 10:39:05 PM
Who'll you send out against McCurry and McAliskey?
Walshe and Ryan Wylie I'd imagine. Drew could play a part too so he's another option, probably won't start though.
Quote from: trileacman on August 03, 2015, 10:39:05 PM
Very surprised Monaghan only used 3 subs the last day, they were out on their feet for the last 10 and it nearly cost them the match.
That surprised me too I have to say, considering the impact of the bench in our first two games. I felt experienced heads like Dick and Finlay were exactly what we needed in the last 10/15 minutes.
I think it's a year or so too early for Tyrone in their rebuilding process, to get past this 1/4 final test. Tyrone are playing a similar familiar cautious game, the new red hands are a work in process in replacing the familiar established characters who have left the squad. I don't think 'Big Sean' can be the match winning inspirational leader on his own against this Monaghan team, most every other Tyrone player is manageable. I think we have Tyrone's number for this game, we have been working up to this for 8 years, so we may as well stick the boot in with a vengeance while Tyrone are at this transition. There's no championship voodoo at play any more, that was put to rest last year, a hefty stake through the heart before sunset in Clones did that trick, albeit in nervy circumstances.
Quote from: Main Street on August 04, 2015, 12:58:49 AM
I think it's a year or so too early for Tyrone in their rebuilding process, to get past this 1/4 final test. Tyrone are playing a similar familiar cautious game, the new red hands are a work in process in replacing the familiar established characters who have left the squad. I don't think 'Big Sean' can be the match winning inspirational leader on his own against this Monaghan team, most every other Tyrone player is manageable. I think we have Tyrone's number for this game, we have been working up to this for 8 years, so we may as well stick the boot in with a vengeance while Tyrone are at this transition. There's no championship voodoo at play any more, that was put to rest last year, a hefty stake through the heart before sunset in Clones did that trick, albeit in nervy circumstances.
I think there is quite a bit of pressure on monaghan here, if they don't do it I think their bubble will burst! If they have been building for 8 years as you say for a quarter final against a poor enough tyrone team that says it all really about where they are at
Can't see anything but a Monaghan win, especially after the tanking they gave Tyrone last year in the Championship and with the forward line they have, Tyrones defence will be lucky to hold them to 15 points.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 04, 2015, 09:18:01 AM
Can't see anything but a Monaghan win, especially after the tanking they gave Tyrone last year in the Championship and with the forward line they have, Tyrones defence will be lucky to hold them to 15 points.
WUM! ::)
The pressure is all on Monaghan this Saturday, Tyrone have nothing to lose, a lot of young players brought into the team. Monaghan have shown that once they get out of Ulster they've been "chokers in Croker" and in my opinion from speaking to a few Monaghan men they don't want Tyrone at this moment in time.
Serious pressure on Monaghan. Doubling by the day.
What is Monaghans record in Croke Park over the past 11 or 12 years? Serious amount of defeats.
As long as Tyrone don't get stuffed on Saturday, I think there has been enough progress in this team for Mickey Harte to remain in charge and to develop them over the next couple of years.
Sickening arrogance from the Tyrone lads, as usual.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 04, 2015, 11:39:38 AM
What is Monaghans record in Croke Park over the past 11 or 12 years? Serious amount of defeats.
We'll always have this glorious victory to bask in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZmuOSjrEko
Quote from: Tommo2 on August 04, 2015, 11:40:49 AM
As long as Tyrone don't get stuffed on Saturday, I think there has been enough progress in this team for Mickey Harte to remain in charge and to develop them over the next couple of years.
I would not like to see Harte back next year, hopefully he does the right thing at the end of this year.
Yes a quarter final almost exceeded expectations. Relegated from division 1, a rash of retirements last Autumn, a horrible defeat in July last year....I thought it'd be a few years before Tyrone dined with the heavyweights again.
It's just great to be sharing the same turf with the Ulster Champions in August.
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2015, 12:32:47 PM
Yes a quarter final almost exceeded expectations. Relegated from division 1, a rash of retirements last Autumn, a horrible defeat in July last year....I thought it'd be a few years before Tyrone dined with the heavyweights again.
It's just great to be sharing the same turf with the Ulster Champions in August.
And don't forget that night when the lights went out. The worst Tyrone performance in many a year and McManus didn't appear until the 59th minute. We are doomed!!!!
Floodlight failure as Monaghan win at Healy ParkTyrone 0-09 Monaghan 1-13
Newly promoted Monaghan defeated Tyrone 1-13 to 0-09 in a game interrupted by a 31-minute floodlights failure in Saturday's Alianz Football League Division 1 clash at Healy Park.
Tyrone went five points clear with three Darren McCurry frees, but a Monaghan rally saw Darren Hughes and Stephen Gollogly reduce the deficit.
The Red Hands led by 0-07 to 0-05 at the break, but Monaghan dominated the second half and sealed it with a Gollogly goal, winning comfortable in the end with points from Conor McManus and Paul Finlay to seal the seven-point victory.
Sean Cavanagh got the Red Hands going with an early free, with Peter Hughes latching on to Aidan McCrory's assist to double the lead.
Dessie Mone's spectacular ling range effort launched the Farney challenge and Kieran Hughes tapped over a free, but the Red Hands, with McCrory and Mattie Donnelly making thrusting runs into opposition territory, Tyrone were the more potent attacking threat.
Cavanagh was a constant threat up front, winning two frees that Darren McCurry tapped between the uprights, and Mickey Harte's side led by 0-6 to 0-2 at the end of the opening quarter, after corner back McCrory had pushed forward to hit the target.
Drew and Ryan Wylie pulled the visitors out of a couple of sticky situations, but McCurry's third converted free made it 0-5 to 0-2 bnu the 16th minute.
And the Red Hand pushed five points clear, holding their opponents scoreless for 20 minutes, before Darren Hughes took the game by the scruff of the neck, bursting past three tackles to punch over an inspirational score.
And it did the trick, for they claimed the last three scores of the half to narrow the gap to two.
Tyrone failed to score in the final 17 minutes, but still led 0-7 to 0-5 at the break.
They faced a stiff breeze in the second half, and Monaghan maintained the momentum, making it six points in the spin with the opening three points of the second half.
Debutant Ryan McAnespie had just given Monaghan the lead for the first time when the lights went out four minutes into the second half.
After a 31 minute delay, the Farney men found little difficulty in picking up the pace, while their opponents continued to struggle to find their early sparkle.
Matters became worse for Mickey Harte's side when one of their most effective performers, centre back Mattie Donnelly, picked up a black card for dragging back Darren Hughes.
Monaghan tails were up, and their supporters among the 4,124 crowd were ecsteatic when Paul Finlay came off the bench to sweep over a delightful free.
Tyrone had gone 38 minutes without raising a flag before goalkeeper Niall Morgan thumped a 47 metre free between the posts, but moments later Morgan was picking the ball out of his net following Stephen Gollogly's sublime 60th minute finish for the only goal of the game.
Tyrone finished the game with 14 men following Colm Cavanagh's second booking, and Monaghan finished on a high with scores from Finlay and substitute Conor McManus.
Tyrone: N Morgan (0-01, f), A McCrory (0-01), R McNamee, C McCarron, R McNabb, M Donnelly, B Tierney, C Cavanagh, P McNulty, PJ Lavery, R O'Neill, P Hughes (0-02), D McCurry (0-04, 3f), S Cavanagh (0-01, f), N McKenna.
Subs: S McGuigan for Lavery (41), C McCann for Hughes (41), T McCann for Donnelly (BC, 41), C McAliskey for McKenna (51)
Monaghan: R Beggan, F Kelly, D Wylie, R Wylie, D Mone (0-02), D Hughes (0-1), K Duffy, N McAdam, D Clerkin, K Hughes (0-02, 2f), S Gollogly (1-02, 0-1f), C Boyle, D Malone (0-01), D McKenna (0-01), R McAnespie (0-01).
Subs: P Finlay (0-02, 2f) for Clerkin (47), C McManus (0-01)for McKenna (59), E Duffy for K Hughes (67)
league shmeague "never kickt a ball". Sure, it was in Omagh yes, but this is business end of the season, we'll see come Saturday how efficient the Monaghan unit is in the wide open spaces of Croke Park ;)
Quote from: 50fiftyball on August 04, 2015, 02:31:25 PM
league shmeague "never kickt a ball". Sure, it was in Omagh yes, but this is business end of the season, we'll see come Saturday how efficient the Monaghan unit is in the wide open spaces of Croke Park ;)
Croke Park: 144.5m x 88m
Clones: 142 x 87 m
Yes I have to admit I'm worried about how we'll cope with the difference.
How come a lot of players and managers all allude to Croke Park being that bit bigger? Also, when watching a game on TV for example it always appears that there is far more space in Croke Park than Clones for example. Even Jim McGuinness mentioned it at the weekend on Sky, and I doubt a man like himself was spouting such a fact without having researched it at one stage previously.
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I just don't see McCurry as a top forward to be honest, he can't really win his own ball and beat men. He usually scores when he is simply given a pass in space, we need more than that.
Agree I think him and mc caliskey will both crumble under pressure form here on in. Hope I am wrong.
I was impressed with some of the scores McCaliskey kicked against Donegal. I don't think he'll crumble.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 04, 2015, 03:31:16 PM
How come a lot of players and managers all allude to Croke Park being that bit bigger? Also, when watching a game on TV for example it always appears that there is far more space in Croke Park than Clones for example. Even Jim McGuinness mentioned it at the weekend on Sky, and I doubt a man like himself was spouting such a fact without having researched it at one stage previously.
Sure it's a little bigger, but not to the extent that some people make it out to be.
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I just don't see McCurry as a top forward to be honest, he can't really win his own ball and beat men. He usually scores when he is simply given a pass in space, we need more than that.
Agree I think him and mc caliskey will both crumble under pressure form here on in. Hope I am wrong.
I was impressed with some of the scores McCaliskey kicked against Donegal. I don't think he'll crumble.
Far to inconsistent, he was awful against Sligo. has scored some great points but missed some absolute sitters.
Will be our downfall yet, I tell thee!
Croke park won't be a factor for monaghan, talks cheap at this stage amongst all the mystic megs, we'll find out whos better come Saturday, pressure on monaghan for sure but if they want to show they have really improved then its now or never
Mickey will be staying regardless. Shown improvement on last year so no brainer that he will want to push on. Will his man in the stand/earpiece mark become part of his management team next year. Heard was keen on this to happen this year but was on shaky ground at the time.
C'mere, what would be the best establishment to catch the game in Belfast without fear of the foreign game being on instead?
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 04, 2015, 04:00:53 PM
C'mere, what would be the best establishment to catch the game in Belfast without fear of the foreign game being on instead?
Hatfield maybe. Don't think you'll get it in too many places in the city centre
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Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 04, 2015, 04:00:53 PM
C'mere, what would be the best establishment to catch the game in Belfast without fear of the foreign game being on instead?
Hatfield maybe. Don't think you'll get it in too many places in the city centre
Was thinkin the Bot but with the PL startin this weekend they'll no doubt hav it on.. don't really fancy the hatfield to be honest
Quote from: Schkite on August 04, 2015, 03:43:33 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 04, 2015, 03:31:16 PM
How come a lot of players and managers all allude to Croke Park being that bit bigger? Also, when watching a game on TV for example it always appears that there is far more space in Croke Park than Clones for example. Even Jim McGuinness mentioned it at the weekend on Sky, and I doubt a man like himself was spouting such a fact without having researched it at one stage previously.
Sure it's a little bigger, but not to the extent that some people make it out to be.
Tomás O'Se was asked about this and he said its because there is such a big gap between the sidelines and the seats. It gives the impression its wider. I'll have to believe the man having never played on it myself.
Casement and MacCumhaill Park are both bigger than Croke Pk
Yes, it's the illusion of space. TV is notorious for making pitches look bigger as well though, depending on where the cameras are situated. Sure you'd think the soccer pitches in England are massive from the TV angles, and then when you go there they're hardly much bigger than a large golf green :)
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Quote from: nrico2006 on August 04, 2015, 03:31:16 PM
How come a lot of players and managers all allude to Croke Park being that bit bigger? Also, when watching a game on TV for example it always appears that there is far more space in Croke Park than Clones for example. Even Jim McGuinness mentioned it at the weekend on Sky, and I doubt a man like himself was spouting such a fact without having researched it at one stage previously.
Sure it's a little bigger, but not to the extent that some people make it out to be.
Tomás O'Se was asked about this and he said its because there is such a big gap between the sidelines and the seats. It gives the impression its wider. I'll have to believe the man having never played on it myself.
Casement and MacCumhaill Park are both bigger than Croke Pk
Played in both Casement and Croke Park, it's like a feckin Ocean, Casement was worse right enuf
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Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 04, 2015, 04:00:53 PM
C'mere, what would be the best establishment to catch the game in Belfast without fear of the foreign game being on instead?
Hatfield maybe. Don't think you'll get it in too many places in the city centre
Was thinkin the Bot but with the PL startin this weekend they'll no doubt hav it on.. don't really fancy the hatfield to be honest
Bot will have it on one of their screens, as will the errigle. The parador on up past the errigle would be a good shout
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Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 04, 2015, 04:00:53 PM
C'mere, what would be the best establishment to catch the game in Belfast without fear of the foreign game being on instead?
Hatfield maybe. Don't think you'll get it in too many places in the city centre
Was thinkin the Bot but with the PL startin this weekend they'll no doubt hav it on.. don't really fancy the hatfield to be honest
Bot will have it on one of their screens, as will the errigle. The parador on up past the errigle would be a good shout
Paradoor is the best these days, run by greg blaneys brother I believe. Hatfield some spot for the craic though
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Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 04, 2015, 04:00:53 PM
C'mere, what would be the best establishment to catch the game in Belfast without fear of the foreign game being on instead?
Hatfield maybe. Don't think you'll get it in too many places in the city centre
Aye parador great spot, I'd doubt how much craic there would be in the Hatfield though in August
Was thinkin the Bot but with the PL startin this weekend they'll no doubt hav it on.. don't really fancy the hatfield to be honest
Bot will have it on one of their screens, as will the errigle. The parador on up past the errigle would be a good shout
Paradoor is the best these days, run by greg blaneys brother I believe. Hatfield some spot for the craic though
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Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 04, 2015, 04:15:28 PM
Quote from: take_yer_points on August 04, 2015, 04:05:45 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 04, 2015, 04:00:53 PM
C'mere, what would be the best establishment to catch the game in Belfast without fear of the foreign game being on instead?
Hatfield maybe. Don't think you'll get it in too many places in the city centre
Was thinkin the Bot but with the PL startin this weekend they'll no doubt hav it on.. don't really fancy the hatfield to be honest
Bot will have it on one of their screens, as will the errigle. The parador on up past the errigle would be a good shout
Don't know about the others but the Bot definitely has multiple screens and should show both games.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 04, 2015, 11:39:38 AM
What is Monaghans record in Croke Park over the past 11 or 12 years? Serious amount of defeats.
In League, wins against Meath and Donegal, losses to Cork and Dublin.
In Championship, win against Kildare, losses to Kildare, Dublin, Tyrone and Kerry (twice).
More defeats than wins, but generally against sides that would have been ranked significantly higher, and all bar last year's Dublin game were narrow losses at that. It's not like we've been heading into matches as favourites and choking. I don't see our recent Croke Park record as having any impact on Saturday.
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Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 04, 2015, 04:00:53 PM
C'mere, what would be the best establishment to catch the game in Belfast without fear of the foreign game being on instead?
Hatfield maybe. Don't think you'll get it in too many places in the city centre
Was thinkin the Bot but with the PL startin this weekend they'll no doubt hav it on.. don't really fancy the hatfield to be honest
Bot will have it on one of their screens, as will the errigle. The parador on up past the errigle would be a good shout
Paradoor is the best these days, run by greg blaneys brother I believe. Hatfield some spot for the craic though
For the craic...hit the Hat!
Parador is b4 the Errigal is it not?
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 04, 2015, 05:49:04 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 04, 2015, 11:39:38 AM
What is Monaghans record in Croke Park over the past 11 or 12 years? Serious amount of defeats.
In League, wins against Meath and Donegal, losses to Cork and Dublin.
In Championship, win against Kildare, losses to Kildare, Dublin, Tyrone and Kerry (twice).
More defeats than wins, but generally against sides that would have been ranked significantly higher, and all bar last year's Dublin game were narrow losses at that. It's not like we've been heading into matches as favourites and choking. I don't see our recent Croke Park record as having any impact on Saturday.
But would it rest heavy that a very good Monaghan squad have failed to transform two provincial wins in 3 years into an AI semi place at least? This really is a huge game for this Monaghan squad, in my view the biggest for the county since 1985, given the stage of development of the squad and the fact that they are expected to win. Would the season be considered a failure if they lose? Would it be the end for Malachy? Tyrone are effectively where they should be at this stage, a win is a bonus. The pressure is all on Monaghan. Playing anyone other than Tyrone and I would really want to see them do it as I like the way the have gone about building that team over the last 3 or 4 years into what they are today. But it will mean nothing if they lose on Sunday. This should be a very close affair, if I was Monaghan, I'd have preferred anyone other than another Ulster team for this one.
Quote from: 50fiftyball on August 04, 2015, 09:38:02 AM
The pressure is all on Monaghan this Saturday, Tyrone have nothing to lose, a lot of young players brought into the team. Monaghan have shown that once they get out of Ulster they've been "chokers in Croker" and in my opinion from speaking to a few Monaghan men they don't want Tyrone at this moment in time.
I'm fairly happy with Tyrone - I know plenty of others looking forward to it. Probably could have had a handier draw, but the block that Monaghan seemed to have with Tyrone is now a distant memory.
The "chokers in Croker" comment is as lazy as the references to "stop McManus = beat Monaghan". I don't believe Monaghan choke in Croke Park - in general, they've just come up against better teams, and in most cases, lost narrowly.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2015, 05:56:43 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 04, 2015, 05:49:04 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 04, 2015, 11:39:38 AM
What is Monaghans record in Croke Park over the past 11 or 12 years? Serious amount of defeats.
In League, wins against Meath and Donegal, losses to Cork and Dublin.
In Championship, win against Kildare, losses to Kildare, Dublin, Tyrone and Kerry (twice).
More defeats than wins, but generally against sides that would have been ranked significantly higher, and all bar last year's Dublin game were narrow losses at that. It's not like we've been heading into matches as favourites and choking. I don't see our recent Croke Park record as having any impact on Saturday.
But would it rest heavy that a very good Monaghan squad have failed to transform two provincial wins in 3 years into an AI semi place at least? This really is a huge game for this Monaghan squad and Malachy o'Rourke. Would the season be considered a failure if they lose? Would it be the end for Malachy? Tyrone are effectively where they should be at this stage, a win is a bonus. The pressure is all on Monaghan. Playing anyone other than Tyrone and I would really want to see them do it as I like the way the have gone about building that team over the last 3 or 4 years into what they are today. But it will mean nothing if they lose on Sunday. This should be a very close affair, if I was Monaghan, I'd have preferred anyone other than another Ulster team for this one.
To the bit in bold:Yes. And yes, the pressure is on Monaghan more than Tyrone - we've a point to prove (i.e. to make it past the QF) and we're favourites.
But to say that we lose on Sunday and it will mean nothing, or the season be considered a failure? Wide of the mark, in my opinion. I'd prefer a QF loss with an Ulster title than a SF loss through the qualifiers. Whatever happens, Monaghan are Ulster Champions for 2015. That's will never mean nothing. A loss would be a big anti-climax and take the gloss off the year - especially given the opposition and that we're very capable of winning the game - but 2015 = 3rd in Division 1 (including a win in Kerry) and an Ulster title, can't be a failure.
I'd like to see Monaghan win this match and I think they will. The first year they won Ulster they would have been happy enough with what they had achieved for the season. This year is slightly different and I think this is the the crunch match for them. Break that hoodoo and win a big game in Croke Park and they can look forward to a semi final against Kerry with very little expectation. O'Rourke has drained an awful lot out of that squad but they have a certain 'dogs of war' mentality that should see them scrape past Tyrone.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2015, 06:14:21 PM
I'd like to see Monaghan win this match and I think they will. The first year they won Ulster they would have been happy enough with what they had achieved for the season. This year is slightly different and I think this is the the crunch match for them. Break that hoodoo and win a big game in Croke Park and they can look forward to a semi final against Kerry with very little expectation. O'Rourke has drained an awful lot out of that squad but they have a certain 'dogs of war' mentality that should see them scrape past Tyrone.
I'd agree there was an element of that in 2013 - as there would be with any county who hadn't won a provincial title in 25 years - although the QF loss to Tyrone was still hard to take. Getting a second Ulster so soon afterwards and it's clear that expectations are raised. No tour of the county with the Anglo Celt this time, but focus on a QF.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 04, 2015, 05:49:55 PM
For the craic...hit the Hat!
Parador is b4 the Errigal is it not?
Nope, not from the city centre it isn't.
Tyrone team in 2013 v Monaghan QF:
Tyrone: P McConnell; D Carlin, C Clarke (0-1), C McCarron; C McGinley (0-1), P Harte (0-1), C Gormley; C Cavanagh, S Cavanagh (0-5); Mattie Donnelly (0-1), M Donnelly, Joe McMahon (0-2); D McCurry (0-2), S O'Neill, M Penrose. Subs: P McNeice for McMahon, A Cassidy for McCurry, R McNabb for McNeice, R O'Neill (0-1) for S O'Neill, P Kane for Mark Donnelly
Big changes in 2 years.
Slightly off topic folks but I'm heading down to this on Saturday with my dad. Only really familiar with good watering holes but anyone know any good eating establishments nearby? Not looking anything fancy but somewhere u could get a bite to eat without it being jammed to the gills with boozers. Flip I'm getting old!
As I've said consistently people looking rid of Harte should be careful what they wish for. Look at our neighbours Derry and Armagh and the success they've achieved with new managers.
It won't have been a successful season if we lose at this stage. We need to start beating big teams in big games and I don't see any reason we should fear Monaghan. We now have a good mix of experience combined with the freshness of the u21s. I don't think we can keep using transition as an excuse as we're past that.
Saturday is the day we want the likes of Harte Donnelly and mcnabb to stand up and dominate a big game. Our forwards will be key to victory. I believe we could need 15 points to win if and that's going to need to be spread of a number of players.
Surely a fit McCarron and justy will start? If so who misses out?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 04, 2015, 06:26:49 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 04, 2015, 05:49:55 PM
For the craic...hit the Hat!
Parador is b4 the Errigal is it not?
Nope, not from the city centre it isn't.
Get my Ps mixed up...I was Thinking of the Pavillion
Lets be real. Tyrone got a fairly handy route which they deserve credit for navigating it well. Monaghan have beaten the benchmark team in Ulster twice now - Donegal whom Tyrone havent beaten in 6 years. Monaghan should not even be worrying about this game beyond keeping the guys fit to take on the best team in Ireland bar none Kerry. If I wasnt a Tyrone supporter Id be roaring Monaghan through this game... one or two of the guys online here would put you off them with their arrogance.... most are sound.
Monaghan by 5 after a surprisingly good game of football...
Tyrone have a chance if they are still in the game with 10 to go but I fear that Mc Manus will have that eye for a goal or two that he feels he deserved a couple of years ago. The game that got the black card passed revisited...
Quote from: An Watcher on August 04, 2015, 06:37:22 PM
Slightly off topic folks but I'm heading down to this on Saturday with my dad. Only really familiar with good watering holes but anyone know any good eating establishments nearby? Not looking anything fancy but somewhere u could get a bite to eat without it being jammed to the gills with boozers. Flip I'm getting old!
Fagans does a decent lunch.
Monasterboice great grub on way home with Brian Muldoons in Ardee arguably the best steak in Ireland.
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2015, 06:29:46 PM
Tyrone team in 2013 v Monaghan QF:
Tyrone: P McConnell; D Carlin, C Clarke (0-1), C McCarron; C McGinley (0-1), P Harte (0-1), C Gormley; C Cavanagh, S Cavanagh (0-5); Mattie Donnelly (0-1), M Donnelly, Joe McMahon (0-2); D McCurry (0-2), S O'Neill, M Penrose. Subs: P McNeice for McMahon, A Cassidy for McCurry, R McNabb for McNeice, R O'Neill (0-1) for S O'Neill, P Kane for Mark Donnelly
Big changes in 2 years.
And you haven't even mentioned the black card!
Quote from: An Watcher on August 04, 2015, 06:37:22 PM
Slightly off topic folks but I'm heading down to this on Saturday with my dad. Only really familiar with good watering holes but anyone know any good eating establishments nearby? Not looking anything fancy but somewhere u could get a bite to eat without it being jammed to the gills with boozers. Flip I'm getting old!
If it's something like a pizza you'd be looking for, this would be the place, plus it shouldn't be too jammed with the boozers:
Independent Pizza Co
ilovepizza.ie
4.3
10 Google reviews
28 Drumcondra Rd Lower
Dublin 9
(01) 830 2957
I find it interesting that Monaghan have built their strongest panel in years and undoubtedly the panel with the most depth of talent in Ulster without any underage success. Can you Monaghan guys name me any of that squad with AI titles from underage?
Contrasts with Tyrone who would have a strong showing of underage success. I'd reckon >1/2 of that starting team have an AI medal of some sort.
Maybe our belief that you need youth success is greatly misplaced? Maybe the likes of Cavan, Roscommon and Tipperary are over-emphasising the importance of their recent successes and teams like Meath, Armagh and Donegal needn't be all that worried about their lack of it?
It could be the dearest steak in Ireland lol
Quote from: trileacman on August 04, 2015, 07:03:22 PM
I find it interesting that Monaghan have built their strongest panel in years and undoubtedly the panel with the most depth of talent in Ulster without any underage success. Can you Monaghan guys name me any of that squad with AI titles from underage?
Contrasts with Tyrone who would have a strong showing of underage success. I'd reckon >1/2 of that starting team have an AI medal of some sort.
Maybe our belief that you need youth success is greatly misplaced? Maybe the likes of Cavan, Roscommon and Tipperary are over-emphasising the importance of their recent successes and teams like Meath, Armagh and Donegal needn't be all that worried about their lack of it?
Donegal not having underage success?
Mc Nulty to start? We need a bit of muscle for these brutes.
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2015, 10:25:06 PM
Mc Nulty to start? We need a bit of muscle for these brutes.
Miles away from it. We're not hugely outmuscled by them if we get certain match ups right. Clarke is the man to send out if you're worried about that aspect and if it's playing on Harte's mind it'll be Justy he will start.
*either that or we figure out a way to clone Matty.
Just thought McNulty had a bit of more game time recently compared to Clarke.
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2015, 11:39:26 PM
Just thought McNulty had a bit of more game time recently compared to Clarke.
True but I just don't see it happening.
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Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2015, 10:25:06 PM
Mc Nulty to start? We need a bit of muscle for these brutes.
Miles away from it. We're not hugely outmuscled by them if we get certain match ups right. Clarke is the man to send out if you're worried about that aspect and if it's playing on Harte's mind it'll be Justy he will start.
*either that or we figure out a way to clone Matty.
I doubt if this emasculated Tyrone team will even get a rise out of Dessie Mone.
Does anyone know if the upper hogan is likely to be open on Saturday?
Quote from: rrhf on August 04, 2015, 06:46:48 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 04, 2015, 06:37:22 PM
Slightly off topic folks but I'm heading down to this on Saturday with my dad. Only really familiar with good watering holes but anyone know any good eating establishments nearby? Not looking anything fancy but somewhere u could get a bite to eat without it being jammed to the gills with boozers. Flip I'm getting old!
Fagans does a decent lunch.
Monasterboice great grub on way home with Brian Muldoons in Ardee arguably the best steak in Ireland.
Get down to Dublin early and take the Port Tunnel into the Southside, Farmer Browns does some of the best breakfasts about
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 05, 2015, 07:44:54 AM
Does anyone know if the upper hogan is likely to be open on Saturday?
If interest in Monaghan, Tyrone & Mayo is anything like it is in Donegal the there will be a huge crowd on Sat.
Upper tier tickets were for sale on GAA.ie on Monday!!!
Wonder who Dessie Mone will target with his unique set of skills. Hope Penrosegate is recalled this week.
Quote from: ONeill on August 05, 2015, 09:50:42 AM
Wonder who Dessie Mone will target with his unique set of skills. Hope Penrosegate is recalled this week.
You must have missed Dessie's transformation over the last couple of years from a spolier corner back to a playmaking wing back. He's more concerned about how he can contribute to the team than any of that other craic.
Mind you Tyrone do bring out the worst in many a good man. If he doesn't get a couple of sneaky punches this time I'd say he'll be fine.
Quote from: Schkite on August 05, 2015, 09:58:43 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 05, 2015, 09:50:42 AM
Wonder who Dessie Mone will target with his unique set of skills. Hope Penrosegate is recalled this week.
You must have missed Dessie's transformation over the last couple of years from a spolier corner back to a playmaking wing back. He's more concerned about how he can contribute to the team than any of that other craic.
Mind you Tyrone do bring out the worst in many a good man. If he doesn't get a couple of sneaky punches this time I'd say he'll be fine.
And sure if he doesn't I'm sure he'll make it look like he did anyway.
Quote from: Schkite on August 05, 2015, 09:58:43 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 05, 2015, 09:50:42 AM
Wonder who Dessie Mone will target with his unique set of skills. Hope Penrosegate is recalled this week.
You must have missed Dessie's transformation over the last couple of years from a spolier corner back to a playmaking wing back. He's more concerned about how he can contribute to the team than any of that other craic.
Mind you Tyrone do bring out the worst in many a good man. If he doesn't get a couple of sneaky punches this time I'd say he'll be fine.
Tyrone's power to provoke just by being on the same field of play, has seriously waned. Their old bag of tricks are as worn out as a worn out whore.
An anagram of Dessie Mone is one's demise.
An anagram of Dessie Mone ONeill is one's demise Ill One :D
Mone embarrassed himself two years ago, he got involved in something that had nothing to do with him and when pushed in the shoulder he held his eye and acted as if he was unsteady due to the imaginary Mike Tyson hook he was trying to imply he received.
Aaron Kernan says Tyrone haven't a hope against the Oriel machine:
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/2/0508151217-video-preview-monaghan-v-tyrone/
Quote from: Main Street on August 05, 2015, 11:46:55 AM
Quote from: Schkite on August 05, 2015, 09:58:43 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 05, 2015, 09:50:42 AM
Wonder who Dessie Mone will target with his unique set of skills. Hope Penrosegate is recalled this week.
You must have missed Dessie's transformation over the last couple of years from a spolier corner back to a playmaking wing back. He's more concerned about how he can contribute to the team than any of that other craic.
Mind you Tyrone do bring out the worst in many a good man. If he doesn't get a couple of sneaky punches this time I'd say he'll be fine.
Tyrone's power to provoke just by being on the same field of play, has seriously waned. Their old bag of tricks are as worn out as a worn out whore.
Patrick Kavanagh must be rolling in his grave.
Tyrone by 4
Quote from: ONeill on August 05, 2015, 12:59:37 PM
Aaron Kernan says Tyrone haven't a hope against the Oriel machine:
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/2/0508151217-video-preview-monaghan-v-tyrone/
I wouldn't be too concerned about what the Armagh 'experts' are saying;
sure didn't Mc Conville say last week that Sligo would beat Tyrone! ;D
Tir Eoghain by 4+
Quote from: Main Street on August 05, 2015, 11:46:55 AM
Quote from: Schkite on August 05, 2015, 09:58:43 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 05, 2015, 09:50:42 AM
Wonder who Dessie Mone will target with his unique set of skills. Hope Penrosegate is recalled this week.
You must have missed Dessie's transformation over the last couple of years from a spolier corner back to a playmaking wing back. He's more concerned about how he can contribute to the team than any of that other craic.
Mind you Tyrone do bring out the worst in many a good man. If he doesn't get a couple of sneaky punches this time I'd say he'll be fine.
Tyrone's power to provoke just by being on the same field of play, has seriously waned. Their old bag of tricks are as worn out as a worn out whore.
They still seem able to provoke you into gutter posts!
Quote from: TheGateKeeper on August 05, 2015, 01:32:27 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 05, 2015, 12:59:37 PM
Aaron Kernan says Tyrone haven't a hope against the Oriel machine:
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/2/0508151217-video-preview-monaghan-v-tyrone/
I wouldn't be too concerned about what the Armagh 'experts' are saying;
sure didn't Mc Conville say last week that Sligo would beat Tyrone! ;D
Tir Eoghain by 4+
He also tipped Meath to cause an upset and beat Tyrone. ;D
We were robbed though.
I'm surprised how many neutrals seem to think Tyrone will take Monaghan.
Met loads in Galway and back here in Dublin who all think Tyrone have what it takes to beat them
I think this is a very new look Tyrone team & whilst it has experience it always struggles against a HEAVY blanket which both Monaghan and Donegal play very well. Even Kerry now can smother teams instead of playing their much more open game.
I can see Kerry playing open until they meet the Dubs and then suffocating them in the final.
My head says Monaghan but my heart and every other neutral says Tyrone.
A description of the Monaghan approach from a Donegal supporter last night was "that it was more like a wet blanket and wasn't that mobile but like any wet blanket it is not that nice when you are hit with it or stuck in the middle of it." He described this Monaghan team as one of the most physical teams that have ever come out of Ulster. Tyrone might not have enough big men to cope with the wet blanket.
Quote from: rrhf on August 05, 2015, 05:55:19 PM
A description of the Monaghan approach from a Donegal supporter last night was "that it was more like a wet blanket and wasn't that mobile but like any wet blanket it is not that nice when you are hit with it or stuck in the middle of it." He described this Monaghan team as one of the most physical teams that have ever come out of Ulster. Tyrone might not have enough big men to cope with the wet blanket.
I'm lovin it :)
Will Monaghan's discipline let them down on Saturday I wonder.
Ye get away with a lot more in Ulster than you do in Croker with the Southern softie refs.
I can see a few red, yellow and black cards on Sat
We no longer have any hard men though. We're whiter than white these days and is why we will win nothing in the years to come. ;D
Is this match on Sky only, or do Telly Eireann have it as well?
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Quote from: rrhf on August 05, 2015, 05:55:19 PM
A description of the Monaghan approach from a Donegal supporter last night was "that it was more like a wet blanket and wasn't that mobile but like any wet blanket it is not that nice when you are hit with it or stuck in the middle of it." He described this Monaghan team as one of the most physical teams that have ever come out of Ulster. Tyrone might not have enough big men to cope with the wet blanket.
I'm lovin it :)
Hang them out to dry. :D
Who do the "neutrals" on here want to win this.
I'd say Kerry would prefer Tyrone next as we're ripe for the picking now in Croker.
I'm amazed how many think we're in with a shout this year. Look at who we've beaten ffs.
I don't think it's about who we've beaten Fuzzman it's about the trajectory of Tyrone's progress since they lost to Monaghan in the league.
After that game they started to adapt a more defensive/ counter-attacking approach. That saw them beat Mayo, and draw with Dublin and Kerry. Indeed had McCurry gone for goal against Kerry in the final minutes instead of taking a point Tyrone could well have beaten Kerry in Omagh.
Now the new system has taken time to bed in, not so much in defence, which has been fairly sound, but in attack. The optimism has come from a more fluid attacking style. They've a couple of forwards who seem to be showing better form, Darren McCurry had been rubbish earlier in the qualifiers but he's coming into form at the right time of year. Yes we've beaten nothing but the signs of progress have been there. It's easy to forget Tyrone hadn't won three games in a row in over two years before the win over Tipperary.
Tyrone have been preparing for this weekend since they were beaten by Donegal in Ballybofey (don't forget they were the width of the crossbar from drawing with Donegal on their home patch). If they bring the intensity and aggression they showed against Donegal to the rest of the championship then they'll give any team left in the championship plenty to ponder.
Any hack pundits going for Tyrone? Haven't read any.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 05, 2015, 07:10:55 PM
Is this match on Sky only, or do Telly Eireann have it as well?
It's only on Sky. That's our last three games in a row on Sky, real pain in the arse.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 05, 2015, 08:53:08 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 05, 2015, 07:10:55 PM
Is this match on Sky only, or do Telly Eireann have it as well?
It's only on Sky. That's our last three games in a row on Sky, real pain in the arse. godsend.
So long as Tyrone can reasonably contain McManus and avoid giving away frees inside the 45 they should win. Provided of course the forwards don't have another "couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo" sort of day!
I can see it being a replica of the league match in Omagh. Strong start by Tyrone, but Monaghan by far the strongest team in the last three quarters of the match. Kerry will be tested by the Farney in the semis make no mistake.
Monaghan by 4-6 points.
Better players, better team, simple as that.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 05, 2015, 04:38:00 PM
I'm surprised how many neutrals seem to think Tyrone will take Monaghan.
Met loads in Galway and back here in Dublin who all think Tyrone have what it takes to beat them
I think this is a very new look Tyrone team & whilst it has experience it always struggles against a HEAVY blanket which both Monaghan and Donegal play very well. Even Kerry now can smother teams instead of playing their much more open game.
I can see Kerry playing open until they meet the Dubs and then suffocating them in the final.
My head says Monaghan but my heart and every other neutral says Tyrone.
I think some of those neutrals might be telling you what they think you want to hear!
I don't think by any stretch that Monaghan will sail through Saturday, or that they're guaranteed to win, but I don't see how anyone can take an objective look at the fixture and be confident that Tyrone will win it - a few on here talking about a 4 point win.
Just think about:
Tyrone being totally untested through the qualifiers (and even then, Sligo managed 14 points on Saturday)
Respective league performances, including head to head fixture
Comparison of the two teams since the corresponding fixture in 2013 - Tyrone having lost some experienced players
Monaghan more focussed on the QF than in 2013
Monaghan having beaten Tyrone in last year's Ulster Championship (first time since 1988)
I expect monaghan to win. Not easily but not to be in a danger of losing either
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 05, 2015, 10:05:58 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 05, 2015, 04:38:00 PM
I'm surprised how many neutrals seem to think Tyrone will take Monaghan.
Met loads in Galway and back here in Dublin who all think Tyrone have what it takes to beat them
I think this is a very new look Tyrone team & whilst it has experience it always struggles against a HEAVY blanket which both Monaghan and Donegal play very well. Even Kerry now can smother teams instead of playing their much more open game.
I can see Kerry playing open until they meet the Dubs and then suffocating them in the final.
My head says Monaghan but my heart and every other neutral says Tyrone.
I think some of those neutrals might be telling you what they think you want to hear!
I don't think by any stretch that Monaghan will sail through Saturday, or that they're guaranteed to win, but I don't see how anyone can take an objective look at the fixture and be confident that Tyrone will win it - a few on here talking about a 4 point win.
Just think about:
Tyrone being totally untested through the qualifiers (and even then, Sligo managed 14 points on Saturday)
Respective league performances, including head to head fixture
Comparison of the two teams since the corresponding fixture in 2013 - Tyrone having lost some experienced players
Monaghan more focussed on the QF than in 2013
Monaghan having beaten Tyrone in last year's Ulster Championship (first time since 1988)
Maybe its because Tyrone win in Croke Park, Monaghan don't.
Quote from: Rodman on August 05, 2015, 10:22:20 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 05, 2015, 10:05:58 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 05, 2015, 04:38:00 PM
I'm surprised how many neutrals seem to think Tyrone will take Monaghan.
Met loads in Galway and back here in Dublin who all think Tyrone have what it takes to beat them
I think this is a very new look Tyrone team & whilst it has experience it always struggles against a HEAVY blanket which both Monaghan and Donegal play very well. Even Kerry now can smother teams instead of playing their much more open game.
I can see Kerry playing open until they meet the Dubs and then suffocating them in the final.
My head says Monaghan but my heart and every other neutral says Tyrone.
I think some of those neutrals might be telling you what they think you want to hear!
I don't think by any stretch that Monaghan will sail through Saturday, or that they're guaranteed to win, but I don't see how anyone can take an objective look at the fixture and be confident that Tyrone will win it - a few on here talking about a 4 point win.
Just think about:
Tyrone being totally untested through the qualifiers (and even then, Sligo managed 14 points on Saturday)
Respective league performances, including head to head fixture
Comparison of the two teams since the corresponding fixture in 2013 - Tyrone having lost some experienced players
Monaghan more focussed on the QF than in 2013
Monaghan having beaten Tyrone in last year's Ulster Championship (first time since 1988)
Maybe its because Tyrone win in Croke Park, Monaghan don't.
Well they do. Kildare last year and a number of other league finals for this group of players.
Not forgetting that Tyrone can lose in Croke Park too.
Any prediction based on that (flawed) logic isn't worth taking too seriously.
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 05, 2015, 10:05:58 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 05, 2015, 04:38:00 PM
I'm surprised how many neutrals seem to think Tyrone will take Monaghan.
Met loads in Galway and back here in Dublin who all think Tyrone have what it takes to beat them
I think this is a very new look Tyrone team & whilst it has experience it always struggles against a HEAVY blanket which both Monaghan and Donegal play very well. Even Kerry now can smother teams instead of playing their much more open game.
I can see Kerry playing open until they meet the Dubs and then suffocating them in the final.
My head says Monaghan but my heart and every other neutral says Tyrone.
I think some of those neutrals might be telling you what they think you want to hear!
I don't think by any stretch that Monaghan will sail through Saturday, or that they're guaranteed to win, but I don't see how anyone can take an objective look at the fixture and be confident that Tyrone will win it - a few on here talking about a 4 point win.
Just think about:
Tyrone being totally untested through the qualifiers (and even then, Sligo managed 14 points on Saturday)
Respective league performances, including head to head fixture
Comparison of the two teams since the corresponding fixture in 2013 - Tyrone having lost some experienced players
Monaghan more focussed on the QF than in 2013
Monaghan having beaten Tyrone in last year's Ulster Championship (first time since 1988)
Although I'm not particularly confident of a Tyrone win, some of the analysis writing off Tyrone's chances are equally as pointless as the wide open space of Croker and stop McManus analysis writing off Monaghan's chances. Yes Tyrone haven't been tested but neither have Dublin, Mayo or to a lesser extent Kerry. Yes, Monaghan beat us in the league but we drew with Kerry and Dublin, where does that place Tyrone on that basis. Yes, Tyrone have lost experienced players since 2013, but we would be a lot less competitive if those guys were still there. I think the emergence of Brennan, Meyler, McNamee and Bradley bring a freshness that may actually make us stronger. Monaghan's focus on the qtr final is greater on than 2013? Really? How do we quantify that and how does that tip the balance exactly? Last year Tyrone were brutal v Monagham in Ulster.....and still only lost by the width of a post.
Like I said, this is a close one and none of the above will make a jot of difference to the outcome.
What's the story with cathal mcshane? Is he injured? Given his chance against the most defensive team in the country that any forward would struggle against never mind a young under 21. Meanwhile his teammates from the u21 are given chances against lesser sides like limerick and tipp. Maybe I'm missing something or he's injured but he's a physically strong fella that could be an asset v Monaghan
Quote from: An Watcher on August 05, 2015, 10:46:10 PM
What's the story with cathal mcshane? Is he injured? Given his chance against the most defensive team in the country that any forward would struggle against never mind a young under 21. Meanwhile his teammates from the u21 are given chances against lesser sides like limerick and tipp. Maybe I'm missing something or he's injured but he's a physically strong fella that could be an asset v Monaghan
He's not injured. He had a minor injury for the Limerick game but has been fine since.
Both teams are where they would have expected to be when the season began. Definitely top 8, maybe a bit short of top 4. One team will slightly over-achieve; the other will meet expectations. I would expect Kerry to beat either, but I would be fairly confident Tyrone will win on Saturday.
A very good evening's entertain awaits. €30 for the double header is super value.
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 05, 2015, 10:34:23 PM
Quote from: Rodman on August 05, 2015, 10:22:20 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 05, 2015, 10:05:58 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 05, 2015, 04:38:00 PM
I'm surprised how many neutrals seem to think Tyrone will take Monaghan.
Met loads in Galway and back here in Dublin who all think Tyrone have what it takes to beat them
I think this is a very new look Tyrone team & whilst it has experience it always struggles against a HEAVY blanket which both Monaghan and Donegal play very well. Even Kerry now can smother teams instead of playing their much more open game.
I can see Kerry playing open until they meet the Dubs and then suffocating them in the final.
My head says Monaghan but my heart and every other neutral says Tyrone.
I think some of those neutrals might be telling you what they think you want to hear!
I don't think by any stretch that Monaghan will sail through Saturday, or that they're guaranteed to win, but I don't see how anyone can take an objective look at the fixture and be confident that Tyrone will win it - a few on here talking about a 4 point win.
Just think about:
Tyrone being totally untested through the qualifiers (and even then, Sligo managed 14 points on Saturday)
Respective league performances, including head to head fixture
Comparison of the two teams since the corresponding fixture in 2013 - Tyrone having lost some experienced players
Monaghan more focussed on the QF than in 2013
Monaghan having beaten Tyrone in last year's Ulster Championship (first time since 1988)
Maybe its because Tyrone win in Croke Park, Monaghan don't.
Well they do. Kildare last year and a number of other league finals for this group of players.
Not forgetting that Tyrone can lose in Croke Park too.
Any prediction based on that (flawed) logic isn't worth taking too seriously.
How about just having the belief that we are better and are going to win? The belief that we have better players and that we can and should be beating you 9 outta 10 times? And that last year was just that 1 chance in 10? Where does all that fit in?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 05, 2015, 10:36:45 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 05, 2015, 10:05:58 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 05, 2015, 04:38:00 PM
I'm surprised how many neutrals seem to think Tyrone will take Monaghan.
Met loads in Galway and back here in Dublin who all think Tyrone have what it takes to beat them
I think this is a very new look Tyrone team & whilst it has experience it always struggles against a HEAVY blanket which both Monaghan and Donegal play very well. Even Kerry now can smother teams instead of playing their much more open game.
I can see Kerry playing open until they meet the Dubs and then suffocating them in the final.
My head says Monaghan but my heart and every other neutral says Tyrone.
I think some of those neutrals might be telling you what they think you want to hear!
I don't think by any stretch that Monaghan will sail through Saturday, or that they're guaranteed to win, but I don't see how anyone can take an objective look at the fixture and be confident that Tyrone will win it - a few on here talking about a 4 point win.
Just think about:
Tyrone being totally untested through the qualifiers (and even then, Sligo managed 14 points on Saturday)
Respective league performances, including head to head fixture
Comparison of the two teams since the corresponding fixture in 2013 - Tyrone having lost some experienced players
Monaghan more focussed on the QF than in 2013
Monaghan having beaten Tyrone in last year's Ulster Championship (first time since 1988)
Although I'm not particularly confident of a Tyrone win, some of the analysis writing off Tyrone's chances are equally as pointless as the wide open space of Croker and stop McManus analysis writing off Monaghan's chances. Yes Tyrone haven't been tested but neither have Dublin, Mayo or to a lesser extent Kerry. Yes, Monaghan beat us in the league but we drew with Kerry and Dublin, where does that place Tyrone on that basis. Yes, Tyrone have lost experienced players since 2013, but we would be a lot less competitive if those guys were still there. I think the emergence of Brennan, Meyler, McNamee and Bradley bring a freshness that may actually make us stronger. Monaghan's focus on the qtr final is greater on than 2013? Really? How do we quantify that and how does that tip the balance exactly? Last year Tyrone were brutal v Monagham in Ulster.....and still only lost by the width of a post.
Like I said, this is a close one and none of the above will make a jot of difference to the outcome.
I don't know if it tips the balance in any way but it's pretty clear that we're more focused on the quarter-final than two years ago. In 2013 there were two weeks between the Ulster final and quarter final, and about half that was spent celebrating after a 25 year wait for Ulster. This time there's three weeks, and the preparations for the quarter final started the Tuesday after the Ulster final. Perhaps it won't make a difference in the result, but it's certainly a bigger target to get to a semi-final than it was in 2013.
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I'm surprised how many neutrals seem to think Tyrone will take Monaghan.
Met loads in Galway and back here in Dublin who all think Tyrone have what it takes to beat them
I think this is a very new look Tyrone team & whilst it has experience it always struggles against a HEAVY blanket which both Monaghan and Donegal play very well. Even Kerry now can smother teams instead of playing their much more open game.
I can see Kerry playing open until they meet the Dubs and then suffocating them in the final.
My head says Monaghan but my heart and every other neutral says Tyrone.
I think some of those neutrals might be telling you what they think you want to hear!
I don't think by any stretch that Monaghan will sail through Saturday, or that they're guaranteed to win, but I don't see how anyone can take an objective look at the fixture and be confident that Tyrone will win it - a few on here talking about a 4 point win.
Just think about:
Tyrone being totally untested through the qualifiers (and even then, Sligo managed 14 points on Saturday)
Respective league performances, including head to head fixture
Comparison of the two teams since the corresponding fixture in 2013 - Tyrone having lost some experienced players
Monaghan more focussed on the QF than in 2013
Monaghan having beaten Tyrone in last year's Ulster Championship (first time since 1988)
Maybe its because Tyrone win in Croke Park, Monaghan don't.
Well they do. Kildare last year and a number of other league finals for this group of players.
Not forgetting that Tyrone can lose in Croke Park too.
Any prediction based on that (flawed) logic isn't worth taking too seriously.
How about just having the belief that we are better and are going to win? The belief that we have better players and that we can and should be beating you 9 outta 10 times? And that last year was just that 1 chance in 10? Where does all that fit in?
Possibly into the "heart ruling head" category. :P
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I'm surprised how many neutrals seem to think Tyrone will take Monaghan.
Met loads in Galway and back here in Dublin who all think Tyrone have what it takes to beat them
I think this is a very new look Tyrone team & whilst it has experience it always struggles against a HEAVY blanket which both Monaghan and Donegal play very well. Even Kerry now can smother teams instead of playing their much more open game.
I can see Kerry playing open until they meet the Dubs and then suffocating them in the final.
My head says Monaghan but my heart and every other neutral says Tyrone.
I think some of those neutrals might be telling you what they think you want to hear!
I don't think by any stretch that Monaghan will sail through Saturday, or that they're guaranteed to win, but I don't see how anyone can take an objective look at the fixture and be confident that Tyrone will win it - a few on here talking about a 4 point win.
Just think about:
Tyrone being totally untested through the qualifiers (and even then, Sligo managed 14 points on Saturday)
Respective league performances, including head to head fixture
Comparison of the two teams since the corresponding fixture in 2013 - Tyrone having lost some experienced players
Monaghan more focussed on the QF than in 2013
Monaghan having beaten Tyrone in last year's Ulster Championship (first time since 1988)
Maybe its because Tyrone win in Croke Park, Monaghan don't.
Well they do. Kildare last year and a number of other league finals for this group of players.
Not forgetting that Tyrone can lose in Croke Park too.
Any prediction based on that (flawed) logic isn't worth taking too seriously.
How many championship games have Monaghan played in Croke Park since 2005? How many have they won?
Does the past performances of Monaghan since 2005 in Croke Park really matter. I think we played 7 and lost 6.
2005 - Lost to Tyrone who went on to win the All-Ireland. We had a good run after years doing nothing.
2007 - Lost to Kerry by a point and they went on to win the All Ireland. The hardest defeat ever to take. Had them.
2008 - Lost to defending champions Kerry again, pushed them all the way
2010 - 6 days after an ulster final defeat lost to Kildare. Never got into the game
2013 - Lost to Tyrone after winning first ulster title in 25 years. Cavanaghgate and all that. Could have won this one
2014 - BEAT Kildare after extra time in the driving rain after losing the ulster final two weeks earlier
2014 - Lost to the Dubs a week after the Kildare game. Too much to ask at the time.
But what influence will 2005 have on Saturday? Last year we played 2, won one, lost one. Not too bad!
I think it does have a big bearing on the potential outcome of this weekends game. Monaghan are fortunate enough (a bit like Dublin in a way) to get a high portion of their championship games at home. They beat Tyrone last year by a point at home and the same with Donegal a few weeks back. Croke Park is a neutral venue and it seems that in nearly all their championship games played there over the past number of years that they don't do as well as they do at home, which is natural considering the advantages that teams gain when playing in their own ground, they say its usually worth 2 or 3 points.
Philip Jordan says Monaghan by 2. He's an astute analyst.
Can't see anyone lumping on Tyrone.
is this game an all ticket affair or can you pay on the day at Croker...
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 06, 2015, 11:05:23 AM
I think it does have a big bearing on the potential outcome of this weekends game. Monaghan are fortunate enough (a bit like Dublin in a way) to get a high portion of their championship games at home. They beat Tyrone last year by a point at home and the same with Donegal a few weeks back. Croke Park is a neutral venue and it seems that in nearly all their championship games played there over the past number of years that they don't do as well as they do at home, which is natural considering the advantages that teams gain when playing in their own ground, they say its usually worth 2 or 3 points.
Its a wonder how we lost to Tyrone and Donegal so comfortably in the 2010 and 2014 finals then, considering they were in Clones..
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Quote from: nrico2006 on August 06, 2015, 11:05:23 AM
I think it does have a big bearing on the potential outcome of this weekends game. Monaghan are fortunate enough (a bit like Dublin in a way) to get a high portion of their championship games at home. They beat Tyrone last year by a point at home and the same with Donegal a few weeks back. Croke Park is a neutral venue and it seems that in nearly all their championship games played there over the past number of years that they don't do as well as they do at home, which is natural considering the advantages that teams gain when playing in their own ground, they say its usually worth 2 or 3 points.
Its a wonder how we lost to Tyrone and Donegal so comfortably in the 2010 and 2014 finals then, considering they were in Clones..
A team doesn't win every game at home, but the majority of home games will be won by the home team.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on August 06, 2015, 11:05:23 AM
I think it does have a big bearing on the potential outcome of this weekends game. Monaghan are fortunate enough (a bit like Dublin in a way) to get a high portion of their championship games at home. They beat Tyrone last year by a point at home and the same with Donegal a few weeks back. Croke Park is a neutral venue and it seems that in nearly all their championship games played there over the past number of years that they don't do as well as they do at home, which is natural considering the advantages that teams gain when playing in their own ground, they say its usually worth 2 or 3 points.
Its a wonder how we lost to Tyrone and Donegal so comfortably in the 2010 and 2014 finals then, considering they were in Clones..
Serious question, do people think history plays any part in creating pressure/mind sets for current teams? Are Monaghan under more pressure to deliver this year because they lost in 2013? Or does it have no bearing? Will a loss on Saturday lead to a mindset that the quarter final is their glass ceiling and winning in Croke Park in the biggest games becomes a monkey on their back? Does the final losses of previous years impact on the psyche of current Mayo teams? Do teams freeze when met by the history of Kerry? Would Tyrone have had the mental toughness to win the AI through the back door in 2008 had they not won it in previous years?
Or is it all a pile of bollicks and its all about what happens on the day?
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Quote from: nrico2006 on August 06, 2015, 11:05:23 AM
I think it does have a big bearing on the potential outcome of this weekends game. Monaghan are fortunate enough (a bit like Dublin in a way) to get a high portion of their championship games at home. They beat Tyrone last year by a point at home and the same with Donegal a few weeks back. Croke Park is a neutral venue and it seems that in nearly all their championship games played there over the past number of years that they don't do as well as they do at home, which is natural considering the advantages that teams gain when playing in their own ground, they say its usually worth 2 or 3 points.
Its a wonder how we lost to Tyrone and Donegal so comfortably in the 2010 and 2014 finals then, considering they were in Clones..
Serious question, do people think history plays any part in creating pressure/mind sets for current teams? Are Monaghan under more pressure to deliver this year because they lost in 2013? Or does it have no bearing? Will a loss on Saturday lead to a mindset that the quarter final is their glass ceiling and winning in Croke Park in the biggest games becomes a monkey on their back? Does the final losses of previous years impact on the psyche of current Mayo teams? Do teams freeze when met by the history of Kerry? Would Tyrone have had the mental toughness to win the AI through the back door in 2008 had they not won it in previous years?
Or is it all a pile of bollicks and its all about what happens on the day?
Personally I think a lot of it is over emphasised and it mainly comes down to talent. Obviously if that talent is equal then other factors play a part.
I think this Monaghan are a better side than 2013 but I have a sneaky feeling that Tyrone will win it. They are building momentum and there was a bit of swagger and great running off the ball on Saturday, albeit against poor opposition!
Am I the only one who believes M. Duffy will have a negative influence in ths game? Think Tyrone will be very lucky to get anything from him, he's a poor and biased ref in my opinion. Hope it's a good fair game , but can't see it happening...........
Quote from: ONeill on August 06, 2015, 11:35:42 AM
Philip Jordan says Monaghan by 2. He's an astute analyst.
Can't see anyone lumping on Tyrone.
I too like Jordan. His perception of the belief of the Monaghan and Tyrone fans appears to be garnered from this thread; would he be having the odd wee look in do ya think? :o
Quote from: Mikhailov on August 06, 2015, 11:56:10 AM
is this game an all ticket affair or can you pay on the day at Croker...
You won't be able to pay at the gate as far as I know but you should be able to buy tickets at the ticket offices around croke park - one just down from the Big Tree, one opposite Gills, presumably others also. There can be big, slow-moving queues at these though so come early
Tony Donnelly got it right. Tyrone have played no-one and as Fermanagh showed any half middling team can get to a quarter final if they get the right draw. Saturday will show where they are at... Monaghan by 4.
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 06, 2015, 01:39:18 PM
Am I the only one who believes M. Duffy will have a negative influence in ths game? Think Tyrone will be very lucky to get anything from him, he's a poor and biased ref in my opinion. Hope it's a good fair game , but can't see it happening...........
Have less belief in Tyrone after seeing the referee appointed.
I've an inkling McShane will be named tonight.
He'll be frothing at the mouth that he's not playwdy since Donegal.
Mickey knows he's highly motivated and holding him back will have created a massive hunger to prove himself. He'll be like Dinky McBride in 1995.
Dont ruin the lad!
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I'm surprised how many neutrals seem to think Tyrone will take Monaghan.
Met loads in Galway and back here in Dublin who all think Tyrone have what it takes to beat them
I think this is a very new look Tyrone team & whilst it has experience it always struggles against a HEAVY blanket which both Monaghan and Donegal play very well. Even Kerry now can smother teams instead of playing their much more open game.
I can see Kerry playing open until they meet the Dubs and then suffocating them in the final.
My head says Monaghan but my heart and every other neutral says Tyrone.
I think some of those neutrals might be telling you what they think you want to hear!
I don't think by any stretch that Monaghan will sail through Saturday, or that they're guaranteed to win, but I don't see how anyone can take an objective look at the fixture and be confident that Tyrone will win it - a few on here talking about a 4 point win.
Just think about:
Tyrone being totally untested through the qualifiers (and even then, Sligo managed 14 points on Saturday)
Respective league performances, including head to head fixture
Comparison of the two teams since the corresponding fixture in 2013 - Tyrone having lost some experienced players
Monaghan more focussed on the QF than in 2013
Monaghan having beaten Tyrone in last year's Ulster Championship (first time since 1988)
Maybe its because Tyrone win in Croke Park, Monaghan don't.
Well they do. Kildare last year and a number of other league finals for this group of players.
Not forgetting that Tyrone can lose in Croke Park too.
Any prediction based on that (flawed) logic isn't worth taking too seriously.
How many championship games have Monaghan played in Croke Park since 2005? How many have they won?
As another poster has responded, played 7, lost 6. But there's no real point in going back to 2005 - only a handful of players remain and the management team is long gone. If you want to compare, go from 2010:
Monaghan:
Won 1 Kildare
Lost 3 Kildare, Tyrone & Dublin
Tyrone:
Won 4 Sligo, Meath, Monaghan & Roscommon
Lost 3 Mayo, Dublin (twice)
I don't see too much in that to tell the teams apart, when you look at the opposition. I'd be confident that Monaghan could have chalked up wins in Croke Park if they'd landed Sligo, Meath & Roscommon. Tyrone in 2013 is one we were capable of winning, but it's not a case that we're heading into Croke Park as favourites and losing all these games.
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Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on August 06, 2015, 12:42:50 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 06, 2015, 11:05:23 AM
I think it does have a big bearing on the potential outcome of this weekends game. Monaghan are fortunate enough (a bit like Dublin in a way) to get a high portion of their championship games at home. They beat Tyrone last year by a point at home and the same with Donegal a few weeks back. Croke Park is a neutral venue and it seems that in nearly all their championship games played there over the past number of years that they don't do as well as they do at home, which is natural considering the advantages that teams gain when playing in their own ground, they say its usually worth 2 or 3 points.
Its a wonder how we lost to Tyrone and Donegal so comfortably in the 2010 and 2014 finals then, considering they were in Clones..
Serious question, do people think history plays any part in creating pressure/mind sets for current teams? Are Monaghan under more pressure to deliver this year because they lost in 2013? Or does it have no bearing? Will a loss on Saturday lead to a mindset that the quarter final is their glass ceiling and winning in Croke Park in the biggest games becomes a monkey on their back? Does the final losses of previous years impact on the psyche of current Mayo teams? Do teams freeze when met by the history of Kerry? Would Tyrone have had the mental toughness to win the AI through the back door in 2008 had they not won it in previous years?
Or is it all a pile of bollicks and its all about what happens on the day?
I definitely think that history has a significant impact. I think it's the reason why the likes of Mayo has failed to realise their full potential, and also why teams like Kerry can win games when the opposition is better on paper. I do think there's added pressure on Monaghan to pass the QF stage, but in getting the Tyrone monkey off their back last year the pressure isn't just as big as it might have been.
And if all this stuff wasn't real, there wouldn't be such a need for sports psychologists.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 06, 2015, 11:05:23 AM
I think it does have a big bearing on the potential outcome of this weekends game. Monaghan are fortunate enough (a bit like Dublin in a way) to get a high portion of their championship games at home. They beat Tyrone last year by a point at home and the same with Donegal a few weeks back. Croke Park is a neutral venue and it seems that in nearly all their championship games played there over the past number of years that they don't do as well as they do at home, which is natural considering the advantages that teams gain when playing in their own ground, they say its usually worth 2 or 3 points.
My issue with this analysis is that you're saying that because Monaghan lose games at Croke Park, then it must be because the game is in Croke Park. It fails to take account of the fact that in general, by the time you get to Croke Park in the Championship you're playing the better teams. There may be other factors at play too, specific to individual games. But just because we've lost games at Croke Park doesn't mean we've lost them because they were
at Croke Park. We've won a Division 3 and Division 2 league finals there in the past few years and we've beaten Kildare there last year. If we lose on Saturday, I wouldn't be blaming the venue.
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Quote from: ONeill on August 06, 2015, 11:35:42 AM
Philip Jordan says Monaghan by 2. He's an astute analyst.
Can't see anyone lumping on Tyrone.
I too like Jordan. His perception of the belief of the Monaghan and Tyrone fans appears to be garnered from this thread; would he be having the odd wee look in do ya think? :o
Philip firmly shies away from being decisive for this game and sits on the fence.
"the heart still says Tyrone can upset the odds"
"head says Monaghan by two to three points"
Do many ex Tyrone county players suffer from dementia pugilistica, aka punch drunk syndrome?
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Quote from: nrico2006 on August 06, 2015, 11:05:23 AM
I think it does have a big bearing on the potential outcome of this weekends game. Monaghan are fortunate enough (a bit like Dublin in a way) to get a high portion of their championship games at home. They beat Tyrone last year by a point at home and the same with Donegal a few weeks back. Croke Park is a neutral venue and it seems that in nearly all their championship games played there over the past number of years that they don't do as well as they do at home, which is natural considering the advantages that teams gain when playing in their own ground, they say its usually worth 2 or 3 points.
Its a wonder how we lost to Tyrone and Donegal so comfortably in the 2010 and 2014 finals then, considering they were in Clones..
Serious question, do people think history plays any part in creating pressure/mind sets for current teams? Are Monaghan under more pressure to deliver this year because they lost in 2013? Or does it have no bearing? Will a loss on Saturday lead to a mindset that the quarter final is their glass ceiling and winning in Croke Park in the biggest games becomes a monkey on their back? Does the final losses of previous years impact on the psyche of current Mayo teams? Do teams freeze when met by the history of Kerry? Would Tyrone have had the mental toughness to win the AI through the back door in 2008 had they not won it in previous years?
Or is it all a pile of bollicks and its all about what happens on the day?
I definitely think that history has a significant impact. I think it's the reason why the likes of Mayo has failed to realise their full potential, and also why teams like Kerry can win games when the opposition is better on paper. I do think there's added pressure on Monaghan to pass the QF stage, but in getting the Tyrone monkey off their back last year the pressure isn't just as big as it might have been.
And if all this stuff wasn't real, there wouldn't be such a need for sports psychologists.
So in that case the heart influencing the head would have a contribution to the outcome?
Hope Monaghan win this one and would love it if they could go on then and take Sam.
Unfortunately the latter won't happen.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on August 06, 2015, 11:05:23 AM
I think it does have a big bearing on the potential outcome of this weekends game. Monaghan are fortunate enough (a bit like Dublin in a way) to get a high portion of their championship games at home. They beat Tyrone last year by a point at home and the same with Donegal a few weeks back. Croke Park is a neutral venue and it seems that in nearly all their championship games played there over the past number of years that they don't do as well as they do at home, which is natural considering the advantages that teams gain when playing in their own ground, they say its usually worth 2 or 3 points.
Its a wonder how we lost to Tyrone and Donegal so comfortably in the 2010 and 2014 finals then, considering they were in Clones..
Serious question, do people think history plays any part in creating pressure/mind sets for current teams? Are Monaghan under more pressure to deliver this year because they lost in 2013? Or does it have no bearing? Will a loss on Saturday lead to a mindset that the quarter final is their glass ceiling and winning in Croke Park in the biggest games becomes a monkey on their back? Does the final losses of previous years impact on the psyche of current Mayo teams? Do teams freeze when met by the history of Kerry? Would Tyrone have had the mental toughness to win the AI through the back door in 2008 had they not won it in previous years?
Or is it all a pile of bollicks and its all about what happens on the day?
I definitely think that history has a significant impact. I think it's the reason why the likes of Mayo has failed to realise their full potential, and also why teams like Kerry can win games when the opposition is better on paper. I do think there's added pressure on Monaghan to pass the QF stage, but in getting the Tyrone monkey off their back last year the pressure isn't just as big as it might have been.
And if all this stuff wasn't real, there wouldn't be such a need for sports psychologists.
So in that case the heart influencing the head would have a contribution to the outcome?
Only psychology is about the head. And it's about the players, not supporters predicting outcomes.
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I think it does have a big bearing on the potential outcome of this weekends game. Monaghan are fortunate enough (a bit like Dublin in a way) to get a high portion of their championship games at home. They beat Tyrone last year by a point at home and the same with Donegal a few weeks back. Croke Park is a neutral venue and it seems that in nearly all their championship games played there over the past number of years that they don't do as well as they do at home, which is natural considering the advantages that teams gain when playing in their own ground, they say its usually worth 2 or 3 points.
Its a wonder how we lost to Tyrone and Donegal so comfortably in the 2010 and 2014 finals then, considering they were in Clones..
Serious question, do people think history plays any part in creating pressure/mind sets for current teams? Are Monaghan under more pressure to deliver this year because they lost in 2013? Or does it have no bearing? Will a loss on Saturday lead to a mindset that the quarter final is their glass ceiling and winning in Croke Park in the biggest games becomes a monkey on their back? Does the final losses of previous years impact on the psyche of current Mayo teams? Do teams freeze when met by the history of Kerry? Would Tyrone have had the mental toughness to win the AI through the back door in 2008 had they not won it in previous years?
Or is it all a pile of bollicks and its all about what happens on the day?
I definitely think that history has a significant impact. I think it's the reason why the likes of Mayo has failed to realise their full potential, and also why teams like Kerry can win games when the opposition is better on paper. I do think there's added pressure on Monaghan to pass the QF stage, but in getting the Tyrone monkey off their back last year the pressure isn't just as big as it might have been.
And if all this stuff wasn't real, there wouldn't be such a need for sports psychologists.
So in that case the heart influencing the head would have a contribution to the outcome?
Only psychology is about the head. And it's about the players, not supporters predicting outcomes.
Well not sure anyones actual heart is telling them anything its just a blood pump at the end of the day
Heart in this context is an undefinable (maybe even illogical) core belief in your mind
And aren't we talking about the players?
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Quote from: nrico2006 on August 06, 2015, 11:05:23 AM
I think it does have a big bearing on the potential outcome of this weekends game. Monaghan are fortunate enough (a bit like Dublin in a way) to get a high portion of their championship games at home. They beat Tyrone last year by a point at home and the same with Donegal a few weeks back. Croke Park is a neutral venue and it seems that in nearly all their championship games played there over the past number of years that they don't do as well as they do at home, which is natural considering the advantages that teams gain when playing in their own ground, they say its usually worth 2 or 3 points.
Its a wonder how we lost to Tyrone and Donegal so comfortably in the 2010 and 2014 finals then, considering they were in Clones..
Serious question, do people think history plays any part in creating pressure/mind sets for current teams? Are Monaghan under more pressure to deliver this year because they lost in 2013? Or does it have no bearing? Will a loss on Saturday lead to a mindset that the quarter final is their glass ceiling and winning in Croke Park in the biggest games becomes a monkey on their back? Does the final losses of previous years impact on the psyche of current Mayo teams? Do teams freeze when met by the history of Kerry? Would Tyrone have had the mental toughness to win the AI through the back door in 2008 had they not won it in previous years?
Or is it all a pile of bollicks and its all about what happens on the day?
I definitely think that history has a significant impact. I think it's the reason why the likes of Mayo has failed to realise their full potential, and also why teams like Kerry can win games when the opposition is better on paper. I do think there's added pressure on Monaghan to pass the QF stage, but in getting the Tyrone monkey off their back last year the pressure isn't just as big as it might have been.
And if all this stuff wasn't real, there wouldn't be such a need for sports psychologists.
So in that case the heart influencing the head would have a contribution to the outcome?
Only psychology is about the head. And it's about the players, not supporters predicting outcomes.
Well not sure anyones actual heart is telling them anything its just a blood pump at the end of the day
Heart in this context is an undefinable (maybe even illogical) core belief in your mind
And aren't we talking about the players?
I had assumed your previous post (about belief you were going to win) was about you, as a supporter, rather than the belief of the team.
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I think it does have a big bearing on the potential outcome of this weekends game. Monaghan are fortunate enough (a bit like Dublin in a way) to get a high portion of their championship games at home. They beat Tyrone last year by a point at home and the same with Donegal a few weeks back. Croke Park is a neutral venue and it seems that in nearly all their championship games played there over the past number of years that they don't do as well as they do at home, which is natural considering the advantages that teams gain when playing in their own ground, they say its usually worth 2 or 3 points.
Its a wonder how we lost to Tyrone and Donegal so comfortably in the 2010 and 2014 finals then, considering they were in Clones..
Serious question, do people think history plays any part in creating pressure/mind sets for current teams? Are Monaghan under more pressure to deliver this year because they lost in 2013? Or does it have no bearing? Will a loss on Saturday lead to a mindset that the quarter final is their glass ceiling and winning in Croke Park in the biggest games becomes a monkey on their back? Does the final losses of previous years impact on the psyche of current Mayo teams? Do teams freeze when met by the history of Kerry? Would Tyrone have had the mental toughness to win the AI through the back door in 2008 had they not won it in previous years?
Or is it all a pile of bollicks and its all about what happens on the day?
I definitely think that history has a significant impact. I think it's the reason why the likes of Mayo has failed to realise their full potential, and also why teams like Kerry can win games when the opposition is better on paper. I do think there's added pressure on Monaghan to pass the QF stage, but in getting the Tyrone monkey off their back last year the pressure isn't just as big as it might have been.
And if all this stuff wasn't real, there wouldn't be such a need for sports psychologists.
So in that case the heart influencing the head would have a contribution to the outcome?
Only psychology is about the head. And it's about the players, not supporters predicting outcomes.
Well not sure anyones actual heart is telling them anything its just a blood pump at the end of the day
Heart in this context is an undefinable (maybe even illogical) core belief in your mind
And aren't we talking about the players?
I had assumed your previous post (about belief you were going to win) was about you, as a supporter, rather than the belief of the team.
It was more collective ie the whole county
But in this chain, I was drawing your point about heart into the specifics of this chain, ie the team
So what do ye think? Its gotta be a big influence
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Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on August 06, 2015, 12:42:50 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 06, 2015, 11:05:23 AM
I think it does have a big bearing on the potential outcome of this weekends game. Monaghan are fortunate enough (a bit like Dublin in a way) to get a high portion of their championship games at home. They beat Tyrone last year by a point at home and the same with Donegal a few weeks back. Croke Park is a neutral venue and it seems that in nearly all their championship games played there over the past number of years that they don't do as well as they do at home, which is natural considering the advantages that teams gain when playing in their own ground, they say its usually worth 2 or 3 points.
Its a wonder how we lost to Tyrone and Donegal so comfortably in the 2010 and 2014 finals then, considering they were in Clones..
Serious question, do people think history plays any part in creating pressure/mind sets for current teams? Are Monaghan under more pressure to deliver this year because they lost in 2013? Or does it have no bearing? Will a loss on Saturday lead to a mindset that the quarter final is their glass ceiling and winning in Croke Park in the biggest games becomes a monkey on their back? Does the final losses of previous years impact on the psyche of current Mayo teams? Do teams freeze when met by the history of Kerry? Would Tyrone have had the mental toughness to win the AI through the back door in 2008 had they not won it in previous years?
Or is it all a pile of bollicks and its all about what happens on the day?
I definitely think that history has a significant impact. I think it's the reason why the likes of Mayo has failed to realise their full potential, and also why teams like Kerry can win games when the opposition is better on paper. I do think there's added pressure on Monaghan to pass the QF stage, but in getting the Tyrone monkey off their back last year the pressure isn't just as big as it might have been.
And if all this stuff wasn't real, there wouldn't be such a need for sports psychologists.
So in that case the heart influencing the head would have a contribution to the outcome?
Only psychology is about the head. And it's about the players, not supporters predicting outcomes.
Well not sure anyones actual heart is telling them anything its just a blood pump at the end of the day
Heart in this context is an undefinable (maybe even illogical) core belief in your mind
And aren't we talking about the players?
I had assumed your previous post (about belief you were going to win) was about you, as a supporter, rather than the belief of the team.
It was more collective ie the whole county
But in this chain, I was drawing your point about heart into the specifics of this chain, ie the team
So what do ye think? Its gotta be a big influence
If you mean belief (of players), then yes, I think it can be massive, both positively and negatively. Belief of supporters..... only to the extent that this influences the team. Of course underneath it all you need to he able to play!
Is there anybody (head not heart) in the pundit world who's tipping Tyrone to win?
It's really, really nice to have all this faith and positivity generated towards Monaghan in their honest endeavour to reach the semi final for the first time in decades, fighting the good fight.
Mind games . . .
http://tyronetribulations.com/2015/08/06/malachy-orourkes-bin-not-collected-in-ballygawley-after-latest-wave-of-pre-match-intimidation/
same team named?
Quote from: Main Street on August 06, 2015, 09:17:26 PM
Is there anybody (head not heart) in the pundit world who's tipping Tyrone to win?
It's really, really nice to have all this faith and positivity generated towards Monaghan in their honest endeavour to reach the semi final for the first time in decades, fighting the good fight.
Means nothing if you don't win though!
McCarron back in, otherwise no other changes.
McCarron in for Brennan only change. Lee Brennan back on bench, think it's mcshane who's missed out.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 06, 2015, 09:27:33 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 06, 2015, 09:17:26 PM
Is there anybody (head not heart) in the pundit world who's tipping Tyrone to win?
It's really, really nice to have all this faith and positivity generated towards Monaghan in their honest endeavour to reach the semi final for the first time in decades, fighting the good fight.
Means nothing if you don't win though!
Absolutely. No room for moral victories here.
Just the one change as previously mentioned...
Tyrone team v Monaghan AI Quarter Final
Croke Park @ 4pm
Championship appearances in brackets
1 - Niall Morgan - Éadan na dTorc - Total Senior Appearances 40 (9)
2 - Aidan McCrory - Aireagal Chiaráin - Total Senior Appearances 67 (16)
3 - Ronan McNamee - Achadh Uí Aráin - Total Senior Appearances 42 (10)
4 - Cathal McCarron - An Droim Mór - Total Senior Appearances 68 (18)
5 - Ronan McNabb - An Droim Mór - Total Senior Appearances 44 (14)
6 - Joe McMahon - An Omaigh - Total Senior Appearances 121 (60)
7 - Peter Harte - Aireagal Chiaráin - Total Senior Appearances 88 (30)
8 - Colm Cavanagh - An Mhaigh - Total Senior Appearances 106 (41)
9 - Matthew Donnelly - Trí Leac - Total Senior Appearances 63 (21)
10 - Tiernan McCann - Coill an Chlochair - Total Senior Appearances 28 (6)
11 - Mark Bradley - Coill an Chlochair - Total Senior Appearances 6 (5)
12 - Conor Meyler - An Omaigh - Total Senior Appearances 2 (2)
13 - Darren McCurry - Éadan na dTorc - Total Senior Appearances 44 (18)
14 - Sean Cavanagh (c) - An Mhaigh - Total Senior Appearances 207 (77)
15 - Connor McAliskey - Cluain Eo - Total Senior Appearances 41 (14)
16 - Michael O'Neill - Cluain Eo - Total Senior Appearances 9 (3)
17 - Lee Brennan - Trí Leac - Total Senior Appearances 0
18 - Rory Brennan - Trí Leac - Total Senior Appearances 7 (4)
19 - Conor Clarke - An Omaigh - Total Senior Appearances 40 (15)
20 - Richard Donnelly - Trí Leac - Total Senior Appearances 2 (2)
21 - Danny McBride - An Srath Bán - Total Senior Appearances 20 (5)
22 - Conall McCann - Coill an Chochair - Total Senior Appearances 12 (3)
23 - Justin McMahon - An Omaigh - Total Senior Appearances 87 (33)
24 - Padraig McNulty - Dún Geanainn - Total Senior Appearances 15 (3)
25 - Ronan O Neill - An Omaigh - Total Senior Appearances 36 (10)
26 - Barry Tierney - An Omaigh - Total Senior Appearances 22 (5)
Notes:
There is 1 change from the Tyrone team that defeated Sligo
Cathal McCarron returns at Corner Back in place of Rory Brennan
Team named:
1 Rory Beggan
2 Colin Walshe
3 Vinny Corey
4 Ryan Wylie
5 Dessie Mone
6 Neil McAdam
7 Karl O'Connell
8 Owen Lennon
9 Fintan Kelly
10 Kieran Duffy
11 Darren Hughes
12 Owen Duffy
13 Dermot Malone
14 Kieran Hughes
15 Conor McManus
16 Cian Mohan
17 Drew Wylie
18 Conor Boyle
19 John Mc Carron
20 Dick Clerkin
21 Paul Finlay
22 Stephen Gollogly
23 Shane Carey
24 Thomas Kerr
25 Ryan Mc Anespie
26 Christopher Mc Guinness
Happy enough with that team (surely Kelly won't line out in midfield?), and some strong options on the bench.
Tyrone team is pretty much as anticipated . Will be a tough test for the younger lads but maybe youthful exuberance will carry them through. Wishful thinking maybe but there is plenty of quality there, no little confidence and experience with the older players. Will it be enough? Here's hoping....
I see this as the match where Conor McManus emerges as Footballer of the Year material. He's currently 16/1 with PP.
Would preferred to see Brennan ahead of Meyler. Meyler has a good engine and top-ranked the possession stakes but wasted possession several times for little benefit. Brennan played a safer game. But saying that I'm obviously biased towards a Trillick player. Meyler did cover every inch the last day and rarely looked run out.
I would pay a small ransom to see the results of those trackers alot of teams use nowadays. Be very interesting to compare players across teams, teams across the country and versus the other professional sports. Would particularly like to see what mileage McCann, Harte and Matty run up on a days outinb.
Can't wait for Saturday. On paper we are not as good as Monaghan in so many areas but what we do have is mickey harte in croke park.
What exactly is Hartes championship record at croke park? I remember taking a bad hammering against dublin a few years ago when we got it terribly wrong at the back allowing connolly and brogan all the space in the world
Quote from: time ticking away on August 07, 2015, 12:11:29 AM
What exactly is Hartes championship record at croke park?
3 All Irelands, the bollix.
Quote from: trileacman on August 06, 2015, 10:58:15 PM
Would preferred to see Brennan ahead of Meyler. Meyler has a good engine and top-ranked the possession stakes but wasted possession several times for little benefit. Brennan played a safer game. But saying that I'm obviously biased towards a Trillick player. Meyler did cover every inch the last day and rarely looked run out.
I would pay a small ransom to see the results of those trackers alot of teams use nowadays. Be very interesting to compare players across teams, teams across the country and versus the other professional sports. Would particularly like to see what mileage McCann, Harte and Matty run up on a days outinb.
They would be interesting reading alright Trillick. I presume they monitor more than distant covered? I am guessing they monitor heart rate, body temp and a whole variety of physical conditions as well?
I am guessing they are kinda like the bio passports in cycling if you had the data on certain players you would know how to physically exhaust them in a match.
Sorry my mistake for asking a sensible question
I have no issue with harte as manager of the county team for the rest of time if he is doing a good job and not just because of what he did 7 years ago. In paidi o se's 8 years in charge of kerry he won 6 musters and 2 all irelands but when it was time to go his successful years didn't save him. But what would the kerry men know
I am glad Mickey Harte asked Cathal McShane not to play for the Club last Sunday just so he can not play for the County this Saturday.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2015, 12:26:46 AM
Quote from: trileacman on August 06, 2015, 10:58:15 PM
Would preferred to see Brennan ahead of Meyler. Meyler has a good engine and top-ranked the possession stakes but wasted possession several times for little benefit. Brennan played a safer game. But saying that I'm obviously biased towards a Trillick player. Meyler did cover every inch the last day and rarely looked run out.
I would pay a small ransom to see the results of those trackers alot of teams use nowadays. Be very interesting to compare players across teams, teams across the country and versus the other professional sports. Would particularly like to see what mileage McCann, Harte and Matty run up on a days outinb.
They would be interesting reading alright Trillick. I presume they monitor more than distant covered? I am guessing they monitor heart rate, body temp and a whole variety of physical conditions as well?
I am guessing they are kinda like the bio passports in cycling if you had the data on certain players you would know how to physically exhaust them in a match.
I agree trillick man as well but it's the other Brennan brother I think we will see first on sat, lee. Class act and could be the ace up mickeys sleeve come the second half
Where to people see this game being won or lost?
Will it be a highly tactical battle like the game in Ballybofey?
Will we play with nobody up front and just carry the ball forward in waves and work it laterally & be patient until a shooting situation arrives.
Will we see people like Sean & big Joe kicking from 50 yards?
Being completely honest I have a good feeling about this game even though I think Monaghan have the better team with more leaders and a top marksman.
I think having the extra Donegal & Mayo fans there will probably create a great atmosphere and the Croke park effect will suit Tyrone more, despite Monaghan's will to play that down.
In my eyes in will come down to who takes their scoring chances as I expect there to be very few. A goal could seal it or a sending off early on.
If McCurry & Bradley get early scores & confidence grows then we could have a cracker. If we get frustrated and are not patient then heads will fall and our lack of leaders will show up again.
I hate that feeling after you lose in Croker when you know the summer is over.
I would say for Tyrone a lot depends on a guy like McCurry actually... Cavanagh always gets 3 or 4 scores from play so with him it's damage limitation to point. If a guy like McCurry steps up then that will be a big plus for Tyrone - I know from reading comments in here it seems there are a lot of question marks over ball winning ability etc. Also Harte is due a big game against a bigger team so be interesting to see how he gets on.
I would say the same for Monaghan about the like of Kieran Hughes as he has been quiet enough.
The bench will also be very important. Monaghan tend to make an impact from there with Gollogly and Finlay. Tyrone maybe have Ronan O'Neill who could change things but not so sure on others in terms of game changers.
I agree with that Tommy. If it's tight in the last 20 minutes or so, Monaghan have more players on their bench capable of making an impact offensively. Ronan O'Neill is Tyrone's only genuine attacking option and his form has been poor/average. None of the subs who came on against Sligo made a positive impact.
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 06, 2015, 09:55:20 PM
Team named:
1 Rory Beggan
2 Colin Walshe
3 Vinny Corey
4 Ryan Wylie
5 Dessie Mone
6 Neil McAdam
7 Karl O'Connell
8 Owen Lennon
9 Fintan Kelly
10 Kieran Duffy
11 Darren Hughes
12 Owen Duffy
13 Dermot Malone
14 Kieran Hughes
15 Conor McManus
16 Cian Mohan
17 Drew Wylie
18 Conor Boyle
19 John Mc Carron
20 Dick Clerkin
21 Paul Finlay
22 Stephen Gollogly
23 Shane Carey
24 Thomas Kerr
25 Ryan Mc Anespie
26 Christopher Mc Guinness
Happy enough with that team (surely Kelly won't line out in midfield?), and some strong options on the bench.
Kelly in there on Donnelly wouldn't be a bad move at all. Lennon was poor against Donegal, I'd be more worried about him in the mf tbh.
Quote from: CD on August 07, 2015, 08:41:37 AM
I agree with that Tommy. If it's tight in the last 20 minutes or so, Monaghan have more players on their bench capable of making an impact offensively. Ronan O'Neill is Tyrone's only genuine attacking option and his form has been poor/average. None of the subs who came on against Sligo made a positive impact.
Richard Donnelly and Lee Brennan are both great attacking options on the Tyrone bench. Very surprised that Lee Brennan has not got a run out so far considering the form he has been in this year. Is McShane not on the bench?
Richard Donnelly - I would seriously doubt has the ability to come on and be a match winner. V poor versus Meath, pulled ashore at HT..
Monaghan definitely have a strong experienced bench but wouldn't be too concerned that we'll lose the game based on the benches. Our own bench is quite strong. McNulty, Justy and Ronan O'Neill should all come on. McNulty looks like he can provide a bit of power and drive forward.
We definitely don't have the same experience on the bench but a lof of boys with underage success who have done it at a natioanl level hopefully coming through. Clarke, R Donnelly, O'Neill and McNulty all played in the 2010 all ireland minor winning side. Lee Brennan and Rory Brennan both played on this years u21 winning team. Then we have Justy who has been a top defender over the last ten years, hopefully he's fully fit.
Huge day tomorrow for both teams. A loss could really set Monaghan back and a loss for Tyrone will increase the pressure on Harte.
How well is Clarke going? Is he still far away from his best? Be some option if he was near his best.
Could see Brennan coming on for McAliskey if he is having a bad day. That's the sort of pressure that can really make someone stand up. He knows he can do the business, it just hasn't happened in every game. Has to happen from now on or I fear Harte will be more ruthless in substituting at an earlier stage. With McAliskey/Brennan and McCurry firing in these games, we've a chance against anyone.
I have heard Clarke has gone backwards since his injuries from an Omagh man but I don't know myself.
Are any of ye meeting up before hand in Jurys hotel before hand(now Doyles).
I'll be there from 2pm onwards & prob go there afterwards
Are any of ye staying down the night. PM if me ye wanna meet up with some of us Dublin based Tyrone fans
https://www.facebook.com/groups/329662576095/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/329662576095/)
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 06, 2015, 10:40:27 PM
I see this as the match where Conor McManus emerges as Footballer of the Year material. He's currently 16/1 with PP.
very rare that this doesn't go to the AI winners (JOD got it over Connolly last year which is still a mystery to me)
If you think Monaghan can win the AI take the 22/1 on offer instead
Brogan got it in 2010, Dublin didn't even make the final!
Brogan has been the best player so far this season by a mile.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 07, 2015, 12:16:48 PM
Are any of ye staying down the night. PM if me ye wanna meet up with some of us Dublin based Tyrone fans
https://www.facebook.com/groups/329662576095/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/329662576095/)
So you'd have no interest in meeting Monaghan folk? Sounds ominous.. :P
A strong and mobile Monaghan line out with 'a few good men' to spring from the bench. It was felt that MOR left it very late in the day to make substitutions in the Ulster Final. In a way that's a good thing as the players will learn much more from that scenario. Taking players, especially younger players, off in a game dents their confidence. Leaving them on to handle the pressure is much more progressive for the team. I'm assuming this was MORs strategy.. However, if the game is tight with 15mins to go I'd like to see McGuinness/Finlay/Gollogly/Clerkin being introduced to steady the thing. The last 3 in that list in particular have plenty of big game experience, especially against Tyrone! Based on this, I'm gonna go with Monaghan by 2 points (1 would do though! :))
Who will the Mayo and Donegal fans be shouting for I wonder in the first match?
How many times have we met Monaghan now in the 1/4s?
I loved the game where Canavan and Stevie scored goals against them. Was that 2005 after Armagh stole an Ulster from us. ;-)
Are most Monaghan fans not that worried about us or what do you fear?
Sean Cavanagh isn't any where as influential as he used to be though he will still chip in with a few scores.
I hope to GOD Morgan isn't going to be hitting far out frees. I'd rather we just dropped them into the square to be honest.
Monaghan 1-16 0-15 Tyrone
Just looking at bookies prices on player points on tyrone side and wondering who takes right footed frees for tyrone nowadays. Is it mcalliskey? Haven't seen sean cavanagh take any in a while but haven't been watching tyrone games that closely. Bookies have mc curry at 5/6 to score less than 4.5 points and another bet that catches my eye is Conor mc manus to out score mc curry at 4/6.
Whilst mc curry will be high on confidence after last weeks performance in croker he was afforded an amount of space against a poor sligo defence and will face a different animal in monaghan defence.
Also where do you expect peter Harte to line out? Seems to be swooping between halfback and half forward line
Quote from: Gaabellting on August 07, 2015, 05:10:56 PM
Also where do you expect peter Harte to line out? Seems to be swooping between halfback and half forward line
Exactly! He'll be doing a bit of roaming ;)
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 07, 2015, 02:49:40 PM
How many times have we met Monaghan now in the 1/4s?
Once - 2013.
When did Tyrone last score a championship goal in Croke? I'm probably missing something obvious but was it Roscommon a few years ago?
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2015, 06:01:01 PM
When did Tyrone last score a championship goal in Croke? I'm probably missing something obvious but was it Roscommon a few years ago?
That's a very good question O'Neill. Yes, it was v Roscommon on the 30th July 2011. Mark Donnelly scored the third goal that day.
No goals since v Dublin, Meath, Monaghan, Mayo and Sligo.
Must be due a few tomorrow.
It's a long time to January for the losers, hopefully Tyrone can give it a real go.
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2015, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2015, 06:01:01 PM
When did Tyrone last score a championship goal in Croke? I'm probably missing something obvious but was it Roscommon a few years ago?
That's a very good question O'Neill. Yes, it was v Roscommon on the 30th July 2011. Mark Donnelly scored the third goal that day.
No goals since v Dublin, Meath, Monaghan, Mayo and Sligo.
Jimmy Rabbitte: [pretending to be Terry Wogan] So, lookin' back Jimmy, what have you learned from your experience with The Commitments?
Jimmy Rabbitte: Well, that's a tricky question, Terry. But as I always say, we skipped the light fandango, turned cartweels 'cross the floor. I was feelin' kinda seasick, but the crowd called out for more.
Jimmy Rabbitte: [pretending to be Terry Wogan] That's very profound Jimmy! What does it mean?
Jimmy Rabbitte: I'm fucked if I know,Terry!
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on August 07, 2015, 10:26:48 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2015, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2015, 06:01:01 PM
When did Tyrone last score a championship goal in Croke? I'm probably missing something obvious but was it Roscommon a few years ago?
That's a very good question O'Neill. Yes, it was v Roscommon on the 30th July 2011. Mark Donnelly scored the third goal that day.
No goals since v Dublin, Meath, Monaghan, Mayo and Sligo.
Jimmy Rabbitte: [pretending to be Terry Wogan] So, lookin' back Jimmy, what have you learned from your experience with The Commitments?
Jimmy Rabbitte: Well, that's a tricky question, Terry. But as I always say, we skipped the light fandango, turned cartweels 'cross the floor. I was feelin' kinda seasick, but the crowd called out for more.
Jimmy Rabbitte: [pretending to be Terry Wogan] That's very profound Jimmy! What does it mean?
Jimmy Rabbitte: I'm fucked if I know,Terry!
;D ;D
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on August 07, 2015, 10:26:48 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2015, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2015, 06:01:01 PM
When did Tyrone last score a championship goal in Croke? I'm probably missing something obvious but was it Roscommon a few years ago?
That's a very good question O'Neill. Yes, it was v Roscommon on the 30th July 2011. Mark Donnelly scored the third goal that day.
No goals since v Dublin, Meath, Monaghan, Mayo and Sligo.
Jimmy Rabbitte: [pretending to be Terry Wogan] So, lookin' back Jimmy, what have you learned from your experience with The Commitments?
Jimmy Rabbitte: Well, that's a tricky question, Terry. But as I always say, we skipped the light fandango, turned cartweels 'cross the floor. I was feelin' kinda seasick, but the crowd called out for more.
Jimmy Rabbitte: [pretending to be Terry Wogan] That's very profound Jimmy! What does it mean?
Jimmy Rabbitte: I'm fucked if I know,Terry!
I thought it was Des Cahill and Cake.
I think Tyrone will live with Monaghan for 60 mins. A late salvo sees Monaghan through to their first semi since '88.
1-13 to 0-12
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2015, 11:08:39 PM
I think Tyrone will live with Monaghan for 60 mins. A late salvo sees Monaghan through to their first semi since '88.
1-13 to 0-12
So for the record was that against Cork?
Was there something about an incident where Nudie Hughes got taken out resulting in a nice shinner and Cork getting a goal from it to put Monaghan away?
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2015, 11:49:13 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2015, 11:08:39 PM
I think Tyrone will live with Monaghan for 60 mins. A late salvo sees Monaghan through to their first semi since '88.
1-13 to 0-12
So for the record was that against Cork?
Was there something about an incident where Nudie Hughes got taken out resulting in a nice shinner and Cork getting a goal from it to put Monaghan away?
Larry Tompkins took Brendan Murray out of it, breaking his jaw in the process. There has been burning effigies of Larry (fuelled by washed diesel) on every drumlin on the anniversary of the event ever since.
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2015, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2015, 06:01:01 PM
When did Tyrone last score a championship goal in Croke? I'm probably missing something obvious but was it Roscommon a few years ago?
That's a very good question O'Neill. Yes, it was v Roscommon on the 30th July 2011. Mark Donnelly scored the third goal that day.
No goals since v Dublin, Meath, Monaghan, Mayo and Sligo.
And very few goals by Tyrone since, esp this year.
0-11 v 0-11 in normal time prediction.
Monaghan 1-15 Tyrone 0-13 AET.
Far fitter Farney.
Can't see Monaghan being 'far fitter'.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on August 08, 2015, 12:03:58 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2015, 11:49:13 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2015, 11:08:39 PM
I think Tyrone will live with Monaghan for 60 mins. A late salvo sees Monaghan through to their first semi since '88.
1-13 to 0-12
So for the record was that against Cork?
Was there something about an incident where Nudie Hughes got taken out resulting in a nice shinner and Cork getting a goal from it to put Monaghan away?
Larry Tompkins took Brendan Murray out of it, breaking his jaw in the process. There has been burning effigies of Larry (fuelled by washed diesel) on every drumlin on the anniversary of the event ever since.
Ah yes, old Brendan, funny he is famous in Tyrone for something else that happened that year! I was trying to remember why I didn't have more sympathy for Monaghan at the the time, now I know!
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 08, 2015, 12:26:22 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on August 08, 2015, 12:03:58 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2015, 11:49:13 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2015, 11:08:39 PM
I think Tyrone will live with Monaghan for 60 mins. A late salvo sees Monaghan through to their first semi since '88.
1-13 to 0-12
So for the record was that against Cork?
Was there something about an incident where Nudie Hughes got taken out resulting in a nice shinner and Cork getting a goal from it to put Monaghan away?
Larry Tompkins took Brendan Murray out of it, breaking his jaw in the process. There has been burning effigies of Larry (fuelled by washed diesel) on every drumlin on the anniversary of the event ever since.
Ah yes, old Brendan, funny he is famous in Tyrone for something else that happened that year! I was trying to remember why I didn't have more sympathy for Monaghan at the the time, now I know!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC7EAlE82u0
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I think Tyrone will live with Monaghan for 60 mins. A late salvo sees Monaghan through to their first semi since '88.
1-13 to 0-12
So for the record was that against Cork?
Was there something about an incident where Nudie Hughes got taken out resulting in a nice shinner and Cork getting a goal from it to put Monaghan away?
Larry Tompkins took Brendan Murray out of it, breaking his jaw in the process. There has been burning effigies of Larry (fuelled by washed diesel) on every drumlin on the anniversary of the event ever since.
Ah yes, old Brendan, funny he is famous in Tyrone for something else that happened that year! I was trying to remember why I didn't have more sympathy for Monaghan at the the time, now I know!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC7EAlE82u0
I was more thinkin of this
https://youtu.be/a0iR1mIRm-Q?t=2000
But was that him? He
no.4 in the Cork match and no.5 in the Tyrone match?
Sean cavanagh was only getting revenge for that pull down. Black card all day long.
Joe Brolly hasn't had a pint with that man since.
Cranney. Effin Cranney.
Somewhere like Truagh or Aghaloo would be very handy for this match.
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Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2015, 11:49:13 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2015, 11:08:39 PM
I think Tyrone will live with Monaghan for 60 mins. A late salvo sees Monaghan through to their first semi since '88.
1-13 to 0-12
So for the record was that against Cork?
Was there something about an incident where Nudie Hughes got taken out resulting in a nice shinner and Cork getting a goal from it to put Monaghan away?
Larry Tompkins took Brendan Murray out of it, breaking his jaw in the process. There has been burning effigies of Larry (fuelled by washed diesel) on every drumlin on the anniversary of the event ever since.
Ah yes, old Brendan, funny he is famous in Tyrone for something else that happened that year! I was trying to remember why I didn't have more sympathy for Monaghan at the the time, now I know!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC7EAlE82u0
I was more thinkin of this
https://youtu.be/a0iR1mIRm-Q?t=2000
But was that him? He
no.4 in the Cork match and no.5 in the Tyrone match?
4 = Brendan Murray (Clones)
5= Bernie Murray (Scotstown)
No relation.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2015, 11:49:13 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2015, 11:08:39 PM
I think Tyrone will live with Monaghan for 60 mins. A late salvo sees Monaghan through to their first semi since '88.
1-13 to 0-12
So for the record was that against Cork?
Was there something about an incident where Nudie Hughes got taken out resulting in a nice shinner and Cork getting a goal from it to put Monaghan away?
Which one? Mary Lou?
Late surge of confidence:
Tyrone 1-14
Monaghan 1-12
GAAGO is absolute shite. Feed the diaspora or lose out forever. 20mbps service here which is good enough for netflix etc and yet it is still buffering every 20s. I dont mind paying a full price per ticket but this service is complete crap. In australia now, we had better service 5 years ago with setanta, that option isn't even an option now.
All streams welcome
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First class well played Marty Duffy!!!
Marty you beasht. Never boring.
Joke of a black card,Hughes was going to do him.
Peter Harte's a hell of a player,aware of everything happening around him.
Never a black. More to come from Marty no doubt.
Darragh oSe working on the Tyrone manufacturing frees line already ::) ::) ::) Tommy Carr is better than Darragh at this rate
Umpire not much use.
Darragh has been at the "cuteness" since the start of the game.
Think he's sore about something?
Quote from: Rois on August 08, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
Darragh has been at the "cuteness" since the start of the game.
Think he's sore about something?
Ridiculous from him, great player but not the sharpest lad
Quote from: Rois on August 08, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
Darragh has been at the "cuteness" since the start of the game.
Think he's sore about something?
Noticed it myself, anything happens Cavanagh "he's well able for it" ;D
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 08, 2015, 04:25:43 PM
Never a black. More to come from Marty no doubt.
What are you on about Hughes wasn't even in the lads line of run!! It was as good a decision as you'll see!
Also Darragh isn't wrong about the cuteness!
I suppose that wasn't a yellow card!
What is he crying to the ref about it was blatant!!
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Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 08, 2015, 04:25:43 PM
Never a black. More to come from Marty no doubt.
What are you on about Hughes wasn't even in the lads line of run!! It was as good a decision as you'll see!
Also Darragh isn't wrong about the cuteness!
;D
Hughes cut across him. Never a black
Tyrone are an absolute disgrace, clothes lining opponents, getting other opponents in headlocks, they really are the masters of the dark arts
Tyrone playing this game on their own terms. A similar second half and Tyrone will win this game.
Hughes is doing a mighty job getting Tyrone players carded. If only the rest of the Monaghan team were doing as well playing they might not be hanging on in this one.
Hughes cut across him, what are you watching lads< the lad dragged him down, whats the rule?
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 08, 2015, 04:40:29 PM
Tyrone are an absolute disgrace, clothes lining opponents, getting other opponents in headlocks, they really are the masters of the dark arts
And Monaghan playing like angels :P
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 08, 2015, 04:40:29 PM
Tyrone are an absolute disgrace, clothes lining opponents, getting other opponents in headlocks, they really are the masters of the dark arts
put your tampon up more like
Tyrone's game if monaghan don't buck up.
Hughes acting the maggot. He dived at meyler. Morgan did get him in a headlock for nothing though...
Monaghan very lacking in ideas.
Dunno if Monaghan are roping or what but they've been pish. If they play any they win.
Nice catch by Duffy for the Black card, Meyler a bit green to be getting away with the likes of that.
Why was that a booking for Morgan but not a penalty? Very poor refereeing once again having an impact on the game
Dara has had an agenda no doubt. Makes up what he is going to say before games start and doesn't take the game on its merits! Much like the way he chooses man of the match..........great player but Martin carney is better co commentator and that is saying something!!!!!!!!
Quote from: David McKeown on August 08, 2015, 04:45:56 PM
Why was that a booking for Morgan but not a penalty? Very poor refereeing once again having an impact on the game
Ball was like long gone?
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Quote from: David McKeown on August 08, 2015, 04:45:56 PM
Why was that a booking for Morgan but not a penalty? Very poor refereeing once again having an impact on the game
Ball was like ng gone right?
And? The rule book says free from spot of the foul.
Marty Duffy is a joke. Cynical stuff from Tyrone all over the pitch, but a special mention for colm Cavanaugh. Its a blanket not a gum shield he should bring on to the pitch for all the diving he does. Impossible it seems for Tyrone defender to get a black card. Shocking stuff from Duffy
For anyone not watching this game the scoreline is the way it is because of pure cynical play as usual by Tyrone
Why do players and a team as good as Tyrone have to be so disgusting?
Quote from: Rossfan on August 08, 2015, 05:10:37 PM
Why do players and a team as good as Tyrone have to be so disgusting?
In fairness Monaghan are giving as good as they're getting today. But Tyrone are reaping the seeds they sowed.
What the fuc?k game are you boys watching? Tyrone much the better footballers.........
The closer Tyrone get to the finish line, the more anti Tyrone gets darrah O se, prat
Just proved by the full back"
Quote from: The Trap on August 08, 2015, 05:15:14 PM
What the fuc?k game are you boys watching? Tyrone much the better footballers.........
Of course they are, they are playing for each other and in the 2nd half Monaghan backs cant stop a nose bleed.
Its official big Sean is a pussy!
Quote from: The Trap on August 08, 2015, 05:15:14 PM
What the fuc?k game are you boys watching? Tyrone much the better footballers.........
Not sure about better footballers however between the two Tyrone a more organised and experienced team when it comes to the last eight.
Quote from: qz on August 08, 2015, 05:20:29 PM
The closer Tyrone get to the finish line, the more anti Tyrone gets darrah O se, prat
Of course he does, because Tyrone are hateful bastards!!!
Listening to the game on Northern Sound, are Monaghan as bad as Nudie Hughes is making out?
Dunno what county you are from stew but I would say you would like him
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Quote from: David McKeown on August 08, 2015, 04:45:56 PM
Why was that a booking for Morgan but not a penalty? Very poor refereeing once again having an impact on the game
Ball was like ng gone right?
And? The rule book says free from spot of the foul.
And? Are you operating under the illusion that the game is refereed by the rule book?
Was worried Marty would have to pull out there.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on August 08, 2015, 05:23:52 PM
Listening to the game on Northern Sound, are Monaghan as bad as Nudie Hughes is making out?
Very very poor!! They seem to have some kind of mental block when it comes to Tyrone. They're walking into tackles and way way too slow moving the ball. Tyrone have run themselves to a standstill they've been very clinical and defended brilliantly.
Also Monaghans refusal to push up on the kick out has really cost them.
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Quote from: tyssam5 on August 08, 2015, 04:54:40 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 08, 2015, 04:45:56 PM
Why was that a booking for Morgan but not a penalty? Very poor refereeing once again having an impact on the game
Ball was like ng gone right?
And? The rule book says free from spot of the foul.
And? Are you operating under the illusion that the game is refereed by the rule book?
No you are right. Until it is the refs will continue to ruin the games
Tyrone played very good today, Sean Cavanagh i think, a stiff wind would blow him over!
That was disgraceful
How was that a red card and ronan macnamee only got a yellow for a punch?
Hateful, hateful carry on.
Embarrassing from McCann!
Hard to like Tyrone
f**k off lads there's Cavanagh and McCann lying down like weins in the last few minutes... Can Tyrone not just play football? They're playing well what's the point in this nonsense??
Some dive. Rubbed his hair. Down like he was shot with a grenade launcher. Not sure I've even seen that in soccer.
No axe to grind with Tyrone I've even broad range relations up there but they sure are an easy team to dislike.
Monaghan can't take their beating
Shocking playacting there, should be suspensions for that shite, thats pure cheating!!
Well done Tyrone. Consistent if nothing else.
Fair play to Cavanagh not losing the head out there.
McCann at the trash talk and Hughes touches his hair and he dives to get Hughes sent off, that is all you need to know about Tyrone, cynical play and cheating is the only reason they got this far. They are ruining the game of gaa, can't wait for Kerry to hammer them in the semis ;D
Harte should take a stand and throw McCann out of his squad
Next game will be between the 2 kings of cynical play tyrone and Kerry.......yes data Kerry
This is impressive from Duffy I didn't realise anyone could make Paudie Hughes look good
How are Tyrone getting all the abuse for cynical play? Monaghan are at least as bad.
Jaysus the last 10 minutes of this would sicken your hole. Some carry on.
Quote from: beer baron on August 08, 2015, 05:41:59 PM
How are Tyrone getting all the abuse for cynical play? Monaghan are at least as bad.
Cheating tramps
Shocking stuff. That Tiernan McCann is the worst I've seen. Spice boy and complete crap.
Quote from: glens73 on August 08, 2015, 05:38:48 PM
Harte should take a stand and throw McCann out of his squad
Why?
He is the man that been at the helm for ages and they have been at that shite since day one, the man is just doing as he is told!
If Monaghan are the best Ulster has as Champions, football in the province is shite!
Yesssss !
Let's have a whack at Kerry!
Tiernan McCann should be banned for that. Shameful play acting.
Hopefully the media will show them up for the cheats they are, as I said earlier anyone who didn't see the game won't realise the cheating, diving and cynical play Tyrone took part in, disgraceful
Job done - roll on the Kingdom :)
Well that be down to McCann, am calling him an outright cheat, Tyrone and fairplay hardly go hand in hand. The way better team though but the last 10 mins from both teams was shocking stuff
Sky weirdly have glossed over the final 10 minutes of that. Didn't even mention it.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 08, 2015, 05:36:31 PM
Some dive. Rubbed his hair. Down like he was shot with a grenade launcher. Not sure I've even seen that in soccer.
+1.
The biggest disgrace on a disgraceful team.
Time for a string of suspensions.
The seethe is strong in here today ;D
Will come back on Monday - hopefully it will have got to 50 pages by then
Gowan Tir Eoghain
Monaghan BS at the end worked against them
Duffy quite unbelievable AGAIN! 9mins injury time after he completely lost control
Have to say Darragh O'Se's sour grapes have been a highlight of this championship for me ;D
Quote from: beer baron on August 08, 2015, 05:41:59 PM
How are Tyrone getting all the abuse for cynical play? Monaghan are at least as bad.
I would agree. Both as bad as each other.
Monaghan were rubbish. Finlay punched two men on the head when he came on.
Colm cavanagh very solid and under rated for tyrone.
Get the feeling it won't be the facile victory people think for kerry.
You have to give mickey harte immense credit. Really has got the best from that team.
Tyrone may moan over not getting respect, but they rightly won't be getting any respect after that. Utterly hateful stuff and that lad who dived (McCann) should be ashamed of himself. They've dragged the game into the gutter with their shit.
Sean Cavanagh is a great footballer but has turned into an utterly detestable player.
Hurl you cant even admit some of that carry on was a disgrace, says alot about the supporters
How any pundit can call Monaghan a team as big 4 material when they haven't been in a semi final since 1988 is a testament to their belief in the hype around a poor Monaghan team. Result was never a doubt. Tyrone roll on with a sensational performance.
Tyrone were easily the best team out there, made it look easy bringing the ball from the back to front, from the short kick out or the long kick out and creating good scoring chances. Monaghan were beaten in most areas of the game and didn't deserve anything better than what the final scoreline said.
Very good performance by Tyrone today. Mattie Donnelly exceptional again. Monaghan bottle job as per! As Gabriel said the seethe will be strong for the next few hours . . .
Easy win for Tyrone, very surprised tbh, i fully expected O'Rourke to outfox Harte. Shocking last 10 minutes, embarrassing stuff from both teams, but Tyrone's superb performance will be lost in the indignation at their antics, pretty shameful stuff tbf.
Tyrone are the most hateful team in the country, they are killing football with the shite they pull, still, Kerry will walk all over the feckers!!!!! ;D
1. Tyrone producing gamesmanship at their best as usual
2. Monaghan just as bad in the last 10 minutes, lost their discipline completely and simply lacked a few class players.
3. Best I've seen a Tyrone team play in Croke Park in a good few years. The old dogs of war mentality was evident for the first time in a long time
4. Kerry v the cannon fodder might not be the cakewalk some were predicting.
5. When was there last 12 minutes of injury time in a championship match
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 08, 2015, 05:45:04 PM
Tiernan McCann should be banned for that. Shameful play acting.
All depends on what TSG says about it. That's probably the worst of that kind of stuff we've seen. If it's not punished we can forget about the future of the game
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 08, 2015, 05:46:31 PM
Sky weirdly have glossed over the final 10 minutes of that. Didn't even mention it.
With Jimmy and Petey are you surprised? They'd look like incredible hypocrites.
But sure aren't Sky super great and all that. Positivity, promoting the game, rah rah rah. Fact is neither Sky's unrelenting promotion of the 'product' and RTE's unrelenting negativity are the ideal.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2015, 05:48:20 PM
Hurl you cant even admit some of that carry on was a disgrace, says alot about the supporters
That is because this is normal to them, how else have they ever won a game in the last 15 years at all levels except with this carry on.
Is no Tyrone supporter not going to condemn the shite McCann was act or do the ends justify the end result. No all got blinkers on, blame somebody else.
Absolutely brutal from Tyrone.Worse than 2003 in terms of puke football and shameful tactics.For the sake of football Kerry must win the semi final by any means necessary to defeat this plague
Wow,
That was some of the worst cheating I have seen in trying to get another playr sent off. Tiernan McCann really is a disgrace, I dont think any manager would send a player out to do that.
That said, Tryone were the better team overall today.
Other observations
6. Sean Cavanagh is a massive yellow belly
7. Tyrone are lucky the game is on Sky or the RTE stooges would have tore into them
This current Tyrone side not a patch on their All Ireland winning sides however Mickey Harte is some man to now bring them to their second All Ireland semi final in three years. The wait to reach a semi final goes on for Monaghan 1988 is it?
Quote from: glens73 on August 08, 2015, 05:38:48 PM
Harte should take a stand and throw McCann out of his squad
Mickey Garter has brought cynicism in GAA to a new low. Clearly part of Tyrone's tactics to wind up Monaghan players to get a reaction. That wasn't football in the last 10/15 minutes. Marty Duffy is a weak rubbish referee who couldn't run a bath never mind a football match. Tyrone players must be super fit to play that style of game and spout verbal diarrhoea at the opposition for 70 minutes. What's really frustrating is Cavanagh is a superb footballer who doesn't to act like such a diving/mouthy p***k on a football pitch. Should just let his skills do his talking
Conor Mc Manus deserves great credit for keeping his cool and notching up such an impressive score in such trying and provocative circumstances
Tyrone had no need to get on like that, the game was won, I have always had a begrudging respect for them but never again they are the scum of the GAA.
T fear on your some craic......armagh played everybody behind ball against Donegal
And we're useless......Tyrone can do it because they have good players, better than Monaghan, better than most teams, maybe not Kerry but they are no Angels either......
Well done Tyrone. Five wins in a row.
Add the Tiernan McCann incident to the list of things Tyrone haven't done.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 08, 2015, 05:46:31 PM
Sky weirdly have glossed over the final 10 minutes of that. Didn't even mention it.
I suppose we are used to RTE being obsessed with negativity! It was a pretty good game with some good scores from Botha side, got s bit wild at the end - but so what? Good game.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 08, 2015, 05:51:58 PM
Absolutely brutal from Tyrone.Worse than 2003 in terms of puke football and shameful tactics.For the sake of football Kerry must win the semi final by any means necessary to defeat this plague
Cheers Tony,
This post alone has brightened my day!
Both McAliskey & McCurry were clinical today for Tyrone, 11 points between them. Superb front two performance.
McCann's performance is unforgivable and in general the antics of Tyrone,in the last 10 mins in particular, was disgusting; the corner boys of Gaelic football! In footballing terms they were undoubtedly the better team but as so often happens they are very unsporting winners. And, not a word about all that shit from the studio; pity Brolly hadn't been there.
I'm not dying about Kerry but I hope they hammer Tyrone.
Quote from: Hardy on August 08, 2015, 05:49:53 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 08, 2015, 05:45:04 PM
Tiernan McCann should be banned for that. Shameful play acting.
All depends on what TSG says about it. That's probably the worst of that kind of stuff we've seen. If it's not punished we can forget about the future of the game
That was Rivaldo stuff.
Tyrone won the game well. They beat Monaghan all ends up, particularly on kickouts. No need for that shit.
I used to have huge respect for Tyrone football. The crap they've dished up over the last couple of years? Not a chance. Harte, Cavanagh and McCann and the rest of them have shamed their county.
Quote from: dublin7 on August 08, 2015, 05:54:54 PM
Quote from: glens73 on August 08, 2015, 05:38:48 PM
Harte should take a stand and throw McCann out of his squad
Mickey Garter has brought cynicism in GAA to a new low. Clearly part of Tyrone's tactics to wind up Monaghan players to get a reaction. That wasn't football in the last 10/15 minutes. Marty Duffy is a weak rubbish referee who couldn't run a bath never mind a football match. Tyrone players must be super fit to play that style of game and spout verbal diarrhoea at the opposition for 70 minutes. What's really frustrating is Cavanagh is a superb footballer who doesn't to act like such a diving/mouthy p***k on a football pitch. Should just let his skills do his talking
And you woud know all about that
Quote from: The Trap on August 08, 2015, 05:56:14 PM
T fear on your some craic......armagh played everybody behind ball against Donegal
And we're useless......Tyrone can do it because they have good players, better than Monaghan, better than most teams, maybe not Kerry but they are no Angels either......
Why, when you are playing really well do you resort to that muck???????
Big Sean is a great footballer but is an absolute disgrace in relation to his antics, no need for it at all at all.
Cometh the hour, cometh the Gooch!!!!! ;)
Quote from: Hardy on August 08, 2015, 05:49:53 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 08, 2015, 05:45:04 PM
Tiernan McCann should be banned for that. Shameful play acting.
All depends on what TSG says about it. That's probably the worst of that kind of stuff we've seen. If it's not punished we can forget about the future of the game
I think you forgot about the children watching 'hardy' -what will they think of it all?
Quote from: Hardy on August 08, 2015, 05:49:53 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 08, 2015, 05:45:04 PM
Tiernan McCann should be banned for that. Shameful play acting.
All depends on what TSG says about it. That's probably the worst of that kind of stuff we've seen. If it's not punished we can forget about the future of the game
And the children don't forget about the children
Well Tyrone and monaghan were a disgrace today, interesting to see if either supporters will condemn that last 10 mins especially, I'd imagine it will be head buried in the sand and ignore it all.
on the game, Tyrone without all the horrible stuff that Mars their games were brilliant tactically and superb in the tackle. Took some fine scores too. Had more than enough to win the game that way and no need for the rest. They'll give kerry their fill
Quote from: redcard on August 08, 2015, 06:03:08 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 08, 2015, 05:49:53 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 08, 2015, 05:45:04 PM
Tiernan McCann should be banned for that. Shameful play acting.
All depends on what TSG says about it. That's probably the worst of that kind of stuff we've seen. If it's not punished we can forget about the future of the game
And the children don't forget about the children
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 08, 2015, 06:01:31 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 08, 2015, 05:49:53 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 08, 2015, 05:45:04 PM
Tiernan McCann should be banned for that. Shameful play acting.
All depends on what TSG says about it. That's probably the worst of that kind of stuff we've seen. If it's not punished we can forget about the future of the game
I think you forgot about the children watching 'hardy' -what will they think of it all?
Beat me to it
Quote from: charlieTully on August 08, 2015, 05:56:06 PM
Tyrone had no need to get on like that, the game was won, I have always had a begrudging respect for them but never again they are the scum of the GAA.
Oh come on Tully, you are only saying that because it is true! :D
It all starts with that man at the helm, he is ultimately responsible for the dark arts they employ, absolutely no class at all, the game was won, stop fecking around and continue to play excellent football, instead we got that puke!
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 08, 2015, 06:00:26 PM
McCann's performance is unforgivable and in general the antics of Tyrone,in the last 10 mins in particular, was disgusting; the corner boys of Gaelic football! In footballing terms they were undoubtedly the better team but as so often happens they are very unsporting winners. And, not a word about all that shit from the studio; pity Brolly hadn't been there.
I'm not dying about Kerry but I hope they hammer Tyrone.
What exactly did tyrone do in the last 10 that monaghan didn't? ( apart from mccanns dive, something he should Def get a ban for, can't stand that shite)
Finlay lucky to escape a straight red for the first challenge on cavanagh. Dunno how kieran hughes stayed on the field either.was involved in almost every unsavoury incident today.
Meyler black card was as bad a decision as I have seen.
Quote from: stew on August 08, 2015, 06:04:15 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 08, 2015, 05:56:06 PM
Tyrone had no need to get on like that, the game was won, I have always had a begrudging respect for them but never again they are the scum of the GAA.
Oh come on Tully, you are only saying that because it is true! :D
It all starts with that man at the helm, he is ultimately responsible for the dark arts they employ, absolutely no class at all, the game was won, stop fecking around and continue to play excellent football, instead we got that puke!
Yeah the dark arts academy seems to be doing its job rightly since it was established up in Garvaghy ::)
Quote from: agorm on August 08, 2015, 05:52:10 PM
Wow,
That was some of the worst cheating I have seen in trying to get another playr sent off. Tiernan McCann really is a disgrace, I dont think any manager would send a player out to do that.
That said, Tryone were the better team overall today.
You are wrong, that p***k Harte does it and has done it for well over a decade.
Tyrone are playing well and did not need to drag the game into the dirt, but they are good at it and Monaghan bit, Kerry wont, Kerry will put manners on the f**kers!!!!
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 08, 2015, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 08, 2015, 06:00:26 PM
McCann's performance is unforgivable and in general the antics of Tyrone,in the last 10 mins in particular, was disgusting; the corner boys of Gaelic football! In footballing terms they were undoubtedly the better team but as so often happens they are very unsporting winners. And, not a word about all that shit from the studio; pity Brolly hadn't been there.
I'm not dying about Kerry but I hope they hammer Tyrone.
What exactly did tyrone do in the last 10 that monaghan didn't? ( apart from mccanns dive, something he should Def get a ban for, can't stand that shite)
Finlay lucky to escape a straight red for the first challenge on cavanagh. Dunno how kieran hughes stayed on the field either.was involved in almost every unsavoury incident today.
Meyler black card was as bad a decision as I have seen.
+1 Duffy was a farce as usual, let Monaghan away with thier shitefor 70mins until it built into a crescendo during the last 5mins
All the cliches about Ulster football are entirely justified after that. Tyrone supporters are complaining about "the children". You have a bunch of children playing for you.
I hope Kerry destroy you.
Finlay should have got a straight red but I have to say the whole ethos around that Tyrone team is despicable. Diving, yapping at the ref, late sneaky punches. It's a real shame as they are good footballers. They say a team reflects the manager. All Mickey Hartes teams reflect a very Jekyll and Hyde element, great footballers but sneaky, cynical cheats. It seems very much at odds to the image them portrays.
Oisin mcConville now tipped Tyrone to lose 4 games in a row---heart ruling the head when it comes to being the pundit
Quote from: qz on August 08, 2015, 06:09:29 PM
Oisin mcConville now tipped Tyrone to lose 4 games in a row---heart ruling the head when it comes to being the pundit
Its Brian Dooher's fault ;D
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Quote from: charlieTully on August 08, 2015, 05:56:06 PM
Tyrone had no need to get on like that, the game was won, I have always had a begrudging respect for them but never again they are the scum of the GAA.
Oh come on Tully, you are only saying that because it is true! :D
It all starts with that man at the helm, he is ultimately responsible for the dark arts they employ, absolutely no class at all, the game was won, stop fecking around and continue to play excellent football, instead we got that puke!
Yeah the dark arts academy seems to be doing its job rightly since it was established up in Garvaghy ::)
Were you happy with the shit your players pulled today?? Sadly I would not be suprised if you were!!!!
Settle down and watch Donegal and Mayo contest an AI quarter final sportingly with O'Shea and Murphy displaying their full repertoire and being allowed to do so.
Quote from: Sidney on August 08, 2015, 06:09:00 PM
All the cliches about Ulster football are entirely justified after that. Tyrone supporters are complaining about "the children". You have a bunch of children playing for you.
I hope Kerry destroy you.
I was hoping you's hope that
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 08, 2015, 06:09:16 PM
Finlay should have got a straight red but I have to say the whole ethos around that Tyrone team is despicable. Diving, yapping at the ref, late sneaky punches. It's a real shame as they are good footballers. They say a team reflects the manager. All Mickey Hartes teams reflect a very Jekyll and Hyde element, great footballers but sneaky, cynical cheats. It seems very much at odds to the image them portrays.
Some lemon sucking going on in this tread
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 08, 2015, 06:11:06 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 08, 2015, 06:09:00 PM
All the cliches about Ulster football are entirely justified after that. Tyrone supporters are complaining about "the children". You have a bunch of children playing for you.
I hope Kerry destroy you.
I was hoping you's hope that
Glad you're glad you've turned into the Glasgow Rangers of Gaelic football.
Quote from: stew on August 08, 2015, 06:10:13 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 08, 2015, 06:07:11 PM
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Quote from: charlieTully on August 08, 2015, 05:56:06 PM
Tyrone had no need to get on like that, the game was won, I have always had a begrudging respect for them but never again they are the scum of the GAA.
Oh come on Tully, you are only saying that because it is true! :D
It all starts with that man at the helm, he is ultimately responsible for the dark arts they employ, absolutely no class at all, the game was won, stop fecking around and continue to play excellent football, instead we got that puke!
Yeah the dark arts academy seems to be doing its job rightly since it was established up in Garvaghy ::)
Were you happy with the shit your players pulled today?? Sadly I would not be suprised if you were!!!!
By "the shit" I take it you mean winning and playing some great football then yes
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 08, 2015, 06:09:16 PM
Finlay should have got a straight red but I have to say the whole ethos around that Tyrone team is despicable. Diving, yapping at the ref, late sneaky punches. It's a real shame as they are good footballers. They say a team reflects the manager. All Mickey Hartes teams reflect a very Jekyll and Hyde element, great footballers but sneaky, cynical cheats. It seems very much at odds to the image them portrays.
He is a tremendous manager but in terms of character he is lacking.
He threatened to sue the association several times when his players deserved the sanctions they got, the GAA caved.
His team drag down the very essence of the game, they destroy the game with their diving, knavery and sledging, a strong ref would have sent three of them off today.
Horrible bastards that will get what is coming to them, come on Kerry!
Football away to the dogs, time go watch the soccer, i seen less playacting, chaeting and unsportmanlike behaviour which we seen today.
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Quote from: charlieTully on August 08, 2015, 05:56:06 PM
Tyrone had no need to get on like that, the game was won, I have always had a begrudging respect for them but never again they are the scum of the GAA.
Oh come on Tully, you are only saying that because it is true! :D
It all starts with that man at the helm, he is ultimately responsible for the dark arts they employ, absolutely no class at all, the game was won, stop fecking around and continue to play excellent football, instead we got that puke!
Yeah the dark arts academy seems to be doing its job rightly since it was established up in Garvaghy ::)
Were you happy with the shit your players pulled today?? Sadly I would not be suprised if you were!!!!
Some of the tyrone scores were sublime in fact most of them were. Monaghan scored some clinkers too. Great defending by Tyrone also. The box to Meylers mouth and the knee to mccurrys head set the tone in the first 10 minutes.
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Quote from: omaghjoe on August 08, 2015, 06:11:06 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 08, 2015, 06:09:00 PM
All the cliches about Ulster football are entirely justified after that. Tyrone supporters are complaining about "the children". You have a bunch of children playing for you.
I hope Kerry destroy you.
I was hoping you's hope that
Glad you're glad you've turned into the Glasgow Rangers of Gaelic football.
I believe our entire team is Catholic and hasnt went brankrupt
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 08, 2015, 06:14:32 PM
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Quote from: charlieTully on August 08, 2015, 05:56:06 PM
Tyrone had no need to get on like that, the game was won, I have always had a begrudging respect for them but never again they are the scum of the GAA.
Oh come on Tully, you are only saying that because it is true! :D
It all starts with that man at the helm, he is ultimately responsible for the dark arts they employ, absolutely no class at all, the game was won, stop fecking around and continue to play excellent football, instead we got that puke!
Yeah the dark arts academy seems to be doing its job rightly since it was established up in Garvaghy ::)
Were you happy with the shit your players pulled today?? Sadly I would not be suprised if you were!!!!
By "the shit" I take it you mean winning and playing some great football then yes
funny thing is ye were brilliant today and ye are winning and would doing so too without all the other horrible stuff
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Quote from: charlieTully on August 08, 2015, 05:56:06 PM
Tyrone had no need to get on like that, the game was won, I have always had a begrudging respect for them but never again they are the scum of the GAA.
Oh come on Tully, you are only saying that because it is true! :D
It all starts with that man at the helm, he is ultimately responsible for the dark arts they employ, absolutely no class at all, the game was won, stop fecking around and continue to play excellent football, instead we got that puke!
Yeah the dark arts academy seems to be doing its job rightly since it was established up in Garvaghy ::)
Were you happy with the shit your players pulled today?? Sadly I would not be suprised if you were!!!!
By "the shit" I take it you mean winning and playing some great football then yes
You take it wrong, the mouthing, the diving, the playacting and the knavery!
Armagh are shite but at least we call our players out on it on here, you lot are clones!
McCanns dive was a disgrace and he should be very ashamed of himself. But Hughes wasn't sent of for that. Was he not sent of for hitting Richie Donnelly? The camera's didn't seem to pick that up. But Richie left the field with a closed eye! Tyrone played very well, deserved to win but agree they shouldn't have got involved in the last 10mins.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 08, 2015, 06:10:43 PM
Settle down and watch Donegal and Mayo contest an AI quarter final sportingly with O'Shea and Murphy displaying their full repertoire and being allowed to do so.
Well said Tony. Remind me what County are you from again
Ah the only thing we know is it never last, they be the weakest of the last 5 teams in it. kerry and Dublin await
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Quote from: Sidney on August 08, 2015, 06:09:00 PM
All the cliches about Ulster football are entirely justified after that. Tyrone supporters are complaining about "the children". You have a bunch of children playing for you.
I hope Kerry destroy you.
I was hoping you's hope that
Glad you're glad you've turned into the Glasgow Rangers of Gaelic football.
I believe our entire team is Catholic and hasnt went brankrupt
Nobody gives a shit about your religion, mate.
The fact is you have the most disliked team in Ireland and 31 counties will be against you in the semi-final. When you're playing Kerry, that's quite a feat.
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Quote from: charlieTully on August 08, 2015, 05:56:06 PM
Tyrone had no need to get on like that, the game was won, I have always had a begrudging respect for them but never again they are the scum of the GAA.
Oh come on Tully, you are only saying that because it is true! :D
It all starts with that man at the helm, he is ultimately responsible for the dark arts they employ, absolutely no class at all, the game was won, stop fecking around and continue to play excellent football, instead we got that puke!
Yeah the dark arts academy seems to be doing its job rightly since it was established up in Garvaghy ::)
Were you happy with the shit your players pulled today?? Sadly I would not be suprised if you were!!!!
By "the shit" I take it you mean winning and playing some great football then yes
You take it wrong, the mouthing, the diving, the playacting and the knavery!
Armagh are shite but at least we call our players out on it on here, you lot are clones!
Okay I agree with you on that
Quote from: Sidney on August 08, 2015, 06:19:56 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 08, 2015, 06:16:06 PM
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Quote from: omaghjoe on August 08, 2015, 06:11:06 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 08, 2015, 06:09:00 PM
All the cliches about Ulster football are entirely justified after that. Tyrone supporters are complaining about "the children". You have a bunch of children playing for you.
I hope Kerry destroy you.
I was hoping you's hope that
Glad you're glad you've turned into the Glasgow Rangers of Gaelic football.
I believe our entire team is Catholic and hasnt went brankrupt
Nobody gives a shit about your religion, mate.
The fact is you have the most disliked team in Ireland and 31 counties will be against you in the semi-final. When you're playing Kerry, that's quite a feat.
You started on about Rangers, those 2 things are the only thing that i really know about them
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 08, 2015, 06:22:48 PM
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Quote from: omaghjoe on August 08, 2015, 06:11:06 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 08, 2015, 06:09:00 PM
All the cliches about Ulster football are entirely justified after that. Tyrone supporters are complaining about "the children". You have a bunch of children playing for you.
I hope Kerry destroy you.
I was hoping you's hope that
Glad you're glad you've turned into the Glasgow Rangers of Gaelic football.
I believe our entire team is Catholic and hasnt went brankrupt
Nobody gives a shit about your religion, mate.
The fact is you have the most disliked team in Ireland and 31 counties will be against you in the semi-final. When you're playing Kerry, that's quite a feat.
You started on about Rangers, those 2 things are the only thing that i really know about that them
A third thing for you to know is that they're less disliked in the rest of Ireland than Tyrone are.
Quote from: Sidney on August 08, 2015, 06:24:32 PM
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Quote from: omaghjoe on August 08, 2015, 06:11:06 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 08, 2015, 06:09:00 PM
All the cliches about Ulster football are entirely justified after that. Tyrone supporters are complaining about "the children". You have a bunch of children playing for you.
I hope Kerry destroy you.
I was hoping you's hope that
Glad you're glad you've turned into the Glasgow Rangers of Gaelic football.
I believe our entire team is Catholic and hasnt went brankrupt
Nobody gives a shit about your religion, mate.
The fact is you have the most disliked team in Ireland and 31 counties will be against you in the semi-final. When you're playing Kerry, that's quite a feat.
You started on about Rangers, those 2 things are the only thing that i really know about that them
A third thing for you to know is that they're less disliked in the rest of Ireland than Tyrone are.
They have a good level of support in Tyrone also
At least they playing football over on the Mayo V Donegal Thread lol
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2015, 06:29:37 PM
At least they playing football over on the Mayo V Donegal Thread lol
For now
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 08, 2015, 06:31:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2015, 06:29:37 PM
At least they playing football over on the Mayo V Donegal Thread lol
For now
A few "subtle body collisions" though
Quote from: redcard on August 08, 2015, 06:21:29 PM
Quote from: stew on August 08, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 08, 2015, 06:14:32 PM
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Quote from: charlieTully on August 08, 2015, 05:56:06 PM
Tyrone had no need to get on like that, the game was won, I have always had a begrudging respect for them but never again they are the scum of the GAA.
Oh come on Tully, you are only saying that because it is true! :D
It all starts with that man at the helm, he is ultimately responsible for the dark arts they employ, absolutely no class at all, the game was won, stop fecking around and continue to play excellent football, instead we got that puke!
Yeah the dark arts academy seems to be doing its job rightly since it was established up in Garvaghy ::)
Were you happy with the shit your players pulled today?? Sadly I would not be suprised if you were!!!!
By "the shit" I take it you mean winning and playing some great football then yes
You take it wrong, the mouthing, the diving, the playacting and the knavery!
Armagh are shite but at least we call our players out on it on here, you lot are clones!
Okay I agree with you on that
Clever! I wish one of you lot would have the balls to be honest about the antics of your players..................Too much to ask apparently.
Memories are short lads. (Kerry's antics to close out game against Mayo last year-diving, feigning, brawl starting, timewasting-of course that was deemed to be cuteness, experience, desire to win) We are a country of whingers and winners-I know what side I prefer to be on. Bring on Kerry!
Quote from: Whishtup on August 08, 2015, 06:33:58 PM
Memories are short lads. (Kerry's antics to close out game against Mayo last year-diving, feigning, brawl starting, timewasting-of course that was deemed to be cuteness, experience, desire to win) We are a country of whingers and winners-I know what side I prefer to be on. Bring on Kerry!
Not at all, Kerry will from time to time resort to the dark arts, you hoors are always at it.
Big Sean should be made play in a shirt at this stage, a big soft shite!
Whishtup, Kerry where no where near as bad last year as Tyrone today, Anybody should be ashamed of the antics of McCann and to extent Cavanagh lying down to, the fact you cant condemn the way they behave says about about the supporters following the team. if one of my county players done that, i wouldnt want him back in a county jersey.
Quote from: stew on August 08, 2015, 06:37:53 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 08, 2015, 06:33:58 PM
Memories are short lads. (Kerry's antics to close out game against Mayo last year-diving, feigning, brawl starting, timewasting-of course that was deemed to be cuteness, experience, desire to win) We are a country of whingers and winners-I know what side I prefer to be on. Bring on Kerry!
Not at all, Kerry will from time to time resort to the dark arts, you hoors are always at it.
Big Sean should be made play in a shirt at this stage, a big soft shite!
All you Armagh men are so sensitive.
Quote from: stew on August 08, 2015, 06:37:53 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 08, 2015, 06:33:58 PM
Memories are short lads. (Kerry's antics to close out game against Mayo last year-diving, feigning, brawl starting, timewasting-of course that was deemed to be cuteness, experience, desire to win) We are a country of whingers and winners-I know what side I prefer to be on. Bring on Kerry!
Not at all, Kerry will from time to time resort to the dark arts, you hoors are always at it.
Big Sean should be made play in a shirt at this stage, a big soft shite!
They're not at it because they playing matches that are as good as walkovers. In a tight game they are the worst of the lot
Monaghan were flat out with the dirt all day today but Marty duffy and most of your good selfs choose to ignore it but yous have no problem noticing Tyrone reacting to it. And if you want me to be honest they reacted pretty well
I've only read about 2 pages here as at the match but a lot of posters showing their true colours of how they feel about Tyrone.
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Quote from: omaghjoe on August 08, 2015, 06:44:40 PM
Quote from: stew on August 08, 2015, 06:37:53 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 08, 2015, 06:33:58 PM
Memories are short lads. (Kerry's antics to close out game against Mayo last year-diving, feigning, brawl starting, timewasting-of course that was deemed to be cuteness, experience, desire to win) We are a country of whingers and winners-I know what side I prefer to be on. Bring on Kerry!
Not at all, Kerry will from time to time resort to the dark arts, you hoors are always at it.
Big Sean should be made play in a shirt at this stage, a big soft shite!
They're not at it because they playing matches that are as good as walkovers. In a tight game they are the worst of the lot
Monaghan were flat out with the dirt all day today but Marty duffy and most of your good selfs choose to ignore it but yous have no problem noticing Tyrone reacting to it. And if you want me to be honest they reacted pretty well
Kerry can be dirty cùnts as well Joe, no doubt, but only a Tyrone man couldn't see Tyrone are the worst offenders of all.
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Quote from: stew on August 08, 2015, 06:37:53 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 08, 2015, 06:33:58 PM
Memories are short lads. (Kerry's antics to close out game against Mayo last year-diving, feigning, brawl starting, timewasting-of course that was deemed to be cuteness, experience, desire to win) We are a country of whingers and winners-I know what side I prefer to be on. Bring on Kerry!
Not at all, Kerry will from time to time resort to the dark arts, you hoors are always at it.
Big Sean should be made play in a shirt at this stage, a big soft shite!
They're not at it because they playing matches that are as good as walkovers. In a tight game they are the worst of the lot
Monaghan were flat out with the dirt all day today but Marty duffy and most of your good selfs choose to ignore it but yous have no problem noticing Tyrone reacting to it. And if you want me to be honest they reacted pretty well
Speed of the leader, speed of the pack, this starts with Harte, obviously a lot of their fans are fine with the sc**bag tactics they employ, speaks volumes.
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I'll tell you what I thought more of Hughes...but to rip a man down by the hair is a seriously cowardly act
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 08, 2015, 06:46:43 PM
I've only read about 2 pages here as at the match but a lot of posters showing their true colours of how they feel about Tyrone.
Cowards with agendas hiding behind keyboards, seeing what they want to see!
Premiership must have been slow today!
Nothing new there; they've been at it that slabberin for years!
And the red-hand marches on!
;)
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 08, 2015, 06:46:43 PM
I've only read about 2 pages here as at the match but a lot of posters showing their true colours of how they feel about Tyrone.
I know its gas!
;D
Stew - Tyrone were shocking today but if you think Armagh are any better you have orange blinkers on. I think a rule to review matches and hand out bans for this appalling cowardly diving is badly needed
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I'll tell you what I thought more of Hughes...but to rip a man down by the hair is a seriously cowardly act
What an ass clown.
be nearly as cowardly as lying down trying to get a man sent off, just watching a replay of that now, Thats straight in front of Duffy, cant you not be booked for unsportmanlike conduct, it gets more shocking the more you see it.
Said pre game Tyrone would win because Monaghan have only one elite forward
Despite all the insults from Monaghan fans . I was proved right
Again
Quote from: stew on August 08, 2015, 06:48:17 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 08, 2015, 06:44:40 PM
Quote from: stew on August 08, 2015, 06:37:53 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 08, 2015, 06:33:58 PM
Memories are short lads. (Kerry's antics to close out game against Mayo last year-diving, feigning, brawl starting, timewasting-of course that was deemed to be cuteness, experience, desire to win) We are a country of whingers and winners-I know what side I prefer to be on. Bring on Kerry!
Not at all, Kerry will from time to time resort to the dark arts, you hoors are always at it.
Big Sean should be made play in a shirt at this stage, a big soft shite!
They're not at it because they playing matches that are as good as walkovers. In a tight game they are the worst of the lot
Monaghan were flat out with the dirt all day today but Marty duffy and most of your good selfs choose to ignore it but yous have no problem noticing Tyrone reacting to it. And if you want me to be honest they reacted pretty well
Speed of the leader, speed of the pack, this starts with Harte, obviously a lot of their fans are fine with the sc**bag tactics they employ, speaks volumes.
You sound obsessed! Love it.
Why was yer man ruffling McCann's hair for anyway?
Stew's excellent entertainment here when Tyrone win!!
One can only imagine what it was like for him in 03 and 05!!!
No one likes us... WE DON'T CARE
Quote from: Gaffer on August 08, 2015, 07:11:25 PM
Why was yer man ruffling McCann's hair for anyway?
Bit of sledgin; telling him that 'Snips' just isnt worth the money any more!
;)
Quote from: Gaffer on August 08, 2015, 07:13:40 PM
Stew's excellent entertainment here when Tyrone win!!
One can only imagine what it was like for him in 03 and 05!!!
TBF it's all the Armagh supporters who are aggravated by Tyrone winning
Whilst I would take no pride in McCanns actions is it any worse than some of the late and blind side hits that took place, both in this game and in plenty of others up and down the Country?
If the GAA were to hand out retrospective bans consistently for such gamesmanship I would be more than happy to see him get a long ban but whilst he tried to take a man out of the game he did not try to physically injure him to do so.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 08, 2015, 07:09:50 PM
Said pre game Tyrone would win because Monaghan have only one elite forward
Despite all the insults from Monaghan fans . I was proved right
Again
100% right. All the rest is just seethe. Primarily from Armagh.
Semi final ..... Everything's a bonus now .... Kerry huge favorites
Quote from: Main Street on August 08, 2015, 05:48:46 PM
Tyrone were easily the best team out there, made it look easy bringing the ball from the back to front, from the short kick out or the long kick out and creating good scoring chances. Monaghan were beaten in most areas of the game and didn't deserve anything better than what the final scoreline said.
Fair play Main Street (usually you are trying to get a rise out if us, but gracious in defeat), would agree with this. The best I seen Tyrone play for an long time, they made Monaghan look very flat and short of ideas.
Poor from McCann the way he went down, but Hughes deserved his red card for the punch on Donnelly.
Sad how a lot of biased posters here jump two feet in, to only discuss McCann's hair flick and not the game as a whole.
Well done Tyrone, roll on Kerry
Thought Tyrone the better side with a lot more options and indeed will last longer than donegal this year
Alas though their style leaves a sour taste
Was at a juvenile match today and couldn't believe the distain held for them by most managers and every one there was from the north
Will be interesting how they get on against Kerry
For one thing it won't be a cakewalk for the kingdom
Everybody has said Tyrone were the better team and deserved winners, but to say what McCann done is poor form hardly points out his playacting. it was f**king disgrace, as was Cavanagh going down with 5 mins to go too, Monaghan had got dirty on it as they had lost their heads especially Finlay who i previously had said was a fairly clean footballer
Quote from: naka on August 08, 2015, 07:21:14 PM
Thought Tyrone the better side with a lot more options and indeed will last longer than donegal this year
Alas though their style leaves a sour taste
Was at a juvenile match today and couldn't believe the distain held for them by most managers and every one there was from the north
Will be interesting how they get on against Kerry
For one thing it won't be a cakewalk for the kingdom
To be honest I long for the days when everyone liked Tyrone and they were bate out the gate by Dublin Kerry and Meath..............
Nobody ever liked Tyrone so you need worry about that and the fact that you cant see the wrongs in your own players only the opposition says it all!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2015, 07:31:49 PM
Nobody ever liked Tyrone so you need worry about that and the fact that you cant see the wrongs in your own players only the opposition says it all!!
Ah well might as well carry on winning then
Quote from: redcard on August 08, 2015, 07:16:34 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on August 08, 2015, 07:13:40 PM
Stew's excellent entertainment here when Tyrone win!!
One can only imagine what it was like for him in 03 and 05!!!
TBF it's all the Armagh supporters who are aggravated by Tyrone winning
Ah now - there's a few of the lads from the stroke county spitting feathers as well.
Quote from: redcard on August 08, 2015, 07:28:50 PM
Quote from: naka on August 08, 2015, 07:21:14 PM
Thought Tyrone the better side with a lot more options and indeed will last longer than donegal this year
Alas though their style leaves a sour taste
Was at a juvenile match today and couldn't believe the distain held for them by most managers and every one there was from the north
Will be interesting how they get on against Kerry
For one thing it won't be a cakewalk for the kingdom
To be honest I long for the days when everyone liked Tyrone and they were bate out the gate by Dublin Kerry and Meath..............
Agreed. I wish we could go back to the days when we came down to Croke Park the odd year took the inevitable beating and came back up the road again
Feck this winning lark!!
The day gets better
Jimmy has put us as one of the 3 elite teams!!!
Very impressive from Tyrone. Controlled the game completely. McCurry and McAliskey stepped up to the mark in style. McManus kicked some serious scores along with Duffy for Monaghan. McCann's dive was a disgrace-no point in trying to dress it any other way. Did Hughes punch Richie Donnelly afterwards to get the red card?
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Thought Tyrone the better side with a lot more options and indeed will last longer than donegal this year
Alas though their style leaves a sour taste
Was at a juvenile match today and couldn't believe the distain held for them by most managers and every one there was from the north
Will be interesting how they get on against Kerry
For one thing it won't be a cakewalk for the kingdom
To be honest I long for the days when everyone liked Tyrone and they were bate out the gate by Dublin Kerry and Meath..............
Agreed. I wish we could go back to the days when we came down to Croke Park the odd year took the inevitable beating and came back up the road again
Feck this winning lark!!
Yes like all the gushing for Fermanagh last week. What a team? What great supporters? What a skilful team? Best of luck lads. Safe home
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The day gets better
Jimmy has put us as one of the 3 elite teams!!!
Pretty sure he meant the other three so he's saying the opposite.
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Quote from: naka on August 08, 2015, 07:21:14 PM
Thought Tyrone the better side with a lot more options and indeed will last longer than donegal this year
Alas though their style leaves a sour taste
Was at a juvenile match today and couldn't believe the distain held for them by most managers and every one there was from the north
Will be interesting how they get on against Kerry
For one thing it won't be a cakewalk for the kingdom
To be honest I long for the days when everyone liked Tyrone and they were bate out the gate by Dublin Kerry and Meath..............
Agreed. I wish we could go back to the days when we came down to Croke Park the odd year took the inevitable beating and came back up the road again
Feck this winning lark!!
Jeez
Now if you were Kerry or Dublin I could accept that point
I was at a tournament in down
If it was Armagh can agree that the hatred of the red hands is raw but down men should have no dispute with you guys
Quote from: naka on August 08, 2015, 07:21:14 PM
Thought Tyrone the better side with a lot more options and indeed will last longer than donegal this year
Alas though their style leaves a sour taste
Was at a juvenile match today and couldn't believe the distain held for them by most managers and every one there was from the north
Will be interesting how they get on against Kerry
For one thing it won't be a cakewalk for the kingdom
I think it will be a cakewalk for Kerry who will like nothing more than to hammer Tyrone. I reckon Kerry by at least 8 points
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2015, 06:40:02 PM
Whishtup, Kerry where no where near as bad last year as Tyrone today, Anybody should be ashamed of the antics of McCann and to extent Cavanagh lying down to, the fact you cant condemn the way they behave says about about the supporters following the team. if one of my county players done that, i wouldnt want him back in a county jersey.
Tyrone were at their worst today and the soft ref didn't help. Apart from hughesred (game was gone at that point anyway) it was incessant diving, puling, dragging and whatever else it took to get the result. I;ve stood up for them in the past but no more - today was a new low for tyrone. They can enjoy their victory but Kerry can and will be just as cynical. Cavanagh can dish it out but cant take it - brolly was right about him.
Thone Mc Cann is some a r s e. Whether Hughes was send off for tussling his hair or not, he still went down like he had been hit by a tornado, what a total embarrassment and deserves punishment from Croke Park.
Could someone explain why Sean Cavanagh's late sliding tackle leading with his shoulder on Mc Manus, made to look like it was clumsy, wasn't penalised with a black card? He has the form for tackles like that late on.
Winning, Well we see against Kerry
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2015, 06:40:02 PM
Whishtup, Kerry where no where near as bad last year as Tyrone today, Anybody should be ashamed of the antics of McCann and to extent Cavanagh lying down to, the fact you cant condemn the way they behave says about about the supporters following the team. if one of my county players done that, i wouldnt want him back in a county jersey.
Tyrone were at their worst today and the soft ref didn't help. Apart from hughesred (game was gone at that point anyway) it was incessant diving, puling, dragging and whatever else it took to get the result. I;ve stood up for them in the past but no more - today was a new low for tyrone. They can enjoy their victory but Kerry can and will be just as cynical. Cavanagh can dish it out but cant take it - brolly was right about him.
Stopped reading after that. Took all credibility from your outrage to be honest
Quote from: Line Ball on August 08, 2015, 07:50:56 PM
Thone Mc Cann is some a r s e. Whether Hughes was send off for tussling his hair or not, he still went down like he had been hit by a tornado, what a total embarrassment and deserves punishment from Croke Park.
Could someone explain why Sean Cavanagh's late sliding tackle leading with his shoulder on Mc Manus, made to look like it was clumsy, wasn't penalised with a black card? He has the form for tackles like that late on.
No one can cause it was missed yet again. it was a yellow offence and he was already on a yellow but no - Saint Sean is untouchable.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2015, 06:40:02 PM
Whishtup, Kerry where no where near as bad last year as Tyrone today, Anybody should be ashamed of the antics of McCann and to extent Cavanagh lying down to, the fact you cant condemn the way they behave says about about the supporters following the team. if one of my county players done that, i wouldnt want him back in a county jersey.
Tyrone were at their worst today and the soft ref didn't help. Apart from hughesred (game was gone at that point anyway) it was incessant diving, puling, dragging and whatever else it took to get the result. I;ve stood up for them in the past but no more - today was a new low for tyrone. They can enjoy their victory but Kerry can and will be just as cynical. Cavanagh can dish it out but cant take it - brolly was right about him.
Stopped reading after that. Took all credibility from your outrage to be honest
That's fine and you're entitled to your opinion. Look at how they closed the mayo game out last year. FFS they caused a brawl which ended up with some fat clown invading the pitch. Monaghan were too naïve but Kerry wont be.
Same old hysteria on here from the usual suspects ;D.
McCann let himself down. There are people on here who would have you believe he was told to do that. I'd suggest the opposite and that the management will have a word in his ear.
My own feeling all year has been that Mickey has Tyrone playing too defensive but fair play, they came up with a big performance when required. Think they will have enough to give Kerry a hard time but probably not to win. Would be quite tremendous if we did though for the reaction on here alone.
Quote from: laceer on August 08, 2015, 07:42:15 PM
Very impressive from Tyrone. Controlled the game completely. McCurry and McAliskey stepped up to the mark in style. McManus kicked some serious scores along with Duffy for Monaghan. McCann's dive was a disgrace-no point in trying to dress it any other way. Did Hughes punch Richie Donnelly afterwards to get the red card?
Hughes got sent off for filling McCann with the holy spirit via the sacred touch, a dastardly devious act.
In that GIF posted earlier, I see there were 3 Tyrone players rolling around the ground beside each other. If Donnelly had got touched by the gifted Hughes, there would have been another 3 Tyrone players falling to the ground simultaneously.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 08, 2015, 07:59:38 PM
Same old hysteria on here from the usual suspects ;D.
McCann let himself down. There are people on here who would have you believe he was told to do that. I'd suggest the opposite and that the management will have a word in his ear.
My own feeling all year has been that Mickey has Tyrone playing too defensive but fair play, they came up with a big performance when required. Think they will have enough to give Kerry a hard time but probably not to win. Would be quite tremendous if we did though for the reaction on here alone.
Is there a single man among ye that will actually admit to being disgusted at some of the shite they were at?
Word in his ear my hole, he should have been dragged off to fack!
Too much prior form to explain that away, they are learned behaviors, they are disgusting and they are ruining the game, not one poster from any country let alone Armagh has any time for Tyrone after that.
That **** McCann should be ashamed of himself and apologize, but he wont, he is from Tyrone.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2015, 06:40:02 PM
Whishtup, Kerry where no where near as bad last year as Tyrone today, Anybody should be ashamed of the antics of McCann and to extent Cavanagh lying down to, the fact you cant condemn the way they behave says about about the supporters following the team. if one of my county players done that, i wouldnt want him back in a county jersey.
Tyrone were at their worst today and the soft ref didn't help. Apart from hughesred (game was gone at that point anyway) it was incessant diving, puling, dragging and whatever else it took to get the result. I;ve stood up for them in the past but no more - today was a new low for tyrone. They can enjoy their victory but Kerry can and will be just as cynical. Cavanagh can dish it out but cant take it - brolly was right about him.
Stopped reading after that. Took all credibility from your outrage to be honest
That's fine and you're entitled to your opinion. Look at how they closed the mayo game out last year. FFS they caused a brawl which ended up with some fat clown invading the pitch. Monaghan were too naïve but Kerry wont be.
You just about sum up what is wrong with the medias attitude towards Tyrone. You criticise Tyrone for their cynicism etc yet celebrate Kerry's cynicism etc
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 08, 2015, 07:59:38 PM
Same old hysteria on here from the usual suspects ;D.
McCann let himself down. There are people on here who would have you believe he was told to do that. I'd suggest the opposite and that the management will have a word in his ear.
My own feeling all year has been that Mickey has Tyrone playing too defensive but fair play, they came up with a big performance when required. Think they will have enough to give Kerry a hard time but probably not to win. Would be quite tremendous if we did though for the reaction on here alone.
Seriously? if you believe that then how can you explain Cavanagh's antics ? Has management ever had a word in his ear ? Management are clearly 100% on board with the carry on.
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Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 08, 2015, 07:59:38 PM
Same old hysteria on here from the usual suspects ;D.
McCann let himself down. There are people on here who would have you believe he was told to do that. I'd suggest the opposite and that the management will have a word in his ear.
My own feeling all year has been that Mickey has Tyrone playing too defensive but fair play, they came up with a big performance when required. Think they will have enough to give Kerry a hard time but probably not to win. Would be quite tremendous if we did though for the reaction on here alone.
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Is there a single man among ye that will actually admit to being disgusted at some of the shite they were at?
Word in his ear my hole, he should have been dragged off to fack!
Too much prior form to explain that away, they are learned behaviors, they are disgusting and they are ruining the game, not one poster from any country let alone Armagh has any time for Tyrone after that.
That **** McCann should be ashamed of himself and apologize, but he wont, he is from Tyrone.
Stew sit down......relax.....TAKE A DEEP BREATH
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Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 08, 2015, 07:59:38 PM
Same old hysteria on here from the usual suspects ;D.
McCann let himself down. There are people on here who would have you believe he was told to do that. I'd suggest the opposite and that the management will have a word in his ear.
My own feeling all year has been that Mickey has Tyrone playing too defensive but fair play, they came up with a big performance when required. Think they will have enough to give Kerry a hard time but probably not to win. Would be quite tremendous if we did though for the reaction on here alone.
Is there a single man among ye that will actually admit to being disgusted at some of the shite they were at?
Word in his ear my hole, he should have been dragged off to fack!
Too much prior form to explain that away, they are learned behaviors, they are disgusting and they are ruining the game, not one poster from any country let alone Armagh has any time for Tyrone after that.
That **** McCann should be ashamed of himself and apologize, but he wont, he is from Tyrone.
Lay off the drink, you've had enough, you'll be giving yourself a hernia. The moral outrage is way over the top even for you, ye clown
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2015, 06:40:02 PM
Whishtup, Kerry where no where near as bad last year as Tyrone today, Anybody should be ashamed of the antics of McCann and to extent Cavanagh lying down to, the fact you cant condemn the way they behave says about about the supporters following the team. if one of my county players done that, i wouldnt want him back in a county jersey.
Tyrone were at their worst today and the soft ref didn't help. Apart from hughesred (game was gone at that point anyway) it was incessant diving, puling, dragging and whatever else it took to get the result. I;ve stood up for them in the past but no more - today was a new low for tyrone. They can enjoy their victory but Kerry can and will be just as cynical. Cavanagh can dish it out but cant take it - brolly was right about him.
Stopped reading after that. Took all credibility from your outrage to be honest
That's fine and you're entitled to your opinion. Look at how they closed the mayo game out last year. FFS they caused a brawl which ended up with some fat clown invading the pitch. Monaghan were too naïve but Kerry wont be.
You just about sum up what is wrong with the medias attitude towards Tyrone. You criticise Tyrone for their cynicism etc yet celebrate Kerry's cynicism etc
No - I want to see football prevail. tyrone's plan is usually football when they know it will be enough but when they know they've a game on their hands they do what they did today. I don't celebrate Kerry's ability to react but rather I'll enjoy seeing tyrone getting a taste of their own medicine.
The only thing that was any different to what Kerry or any other top team would do to close out a game was McCann's dive. I haven't seen anyone try to defend it-it was completely wrong.
Will be great to see what a proper footballing team like Kerry will do to a team of cynical cheaters who can only win games by dishing out cheap blows on the opposition and getting opponents sent off, there is very little football ability in them, if there was all irelands for dark arts they would be going for 13 or 14 in a row
How did that work out in 2003, 2005 or 2008?
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 08, 2015, 08:13:07 PM
Will be great to see what a proper footballing team like Kerry will do to a team of cynical cheaters who can only win games by dishing out cheap blows on the opposition and getting opponents sent off, there is very little football ability in them, if there was all irelands for dark arts they would be going for 13 or 14 in a row
Maybe McCann had been watching old Aidan O'Mahony DVD's before the game. Or the way the Dubs closed out the 2013 final. The hysteria about Tyrone on here is brilliant, people incapable of thinking for themselves.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 08, 2015, 08:13:07 PM
Will be great to see what a proper footballing team like Kerry will do to a team of cynical cheaters who can only win games by dishing out cheap blows on the opposition and getting opponents sent off, there is very little football ability in them, if there was all irelands for dark arts they would be going for 13 or 14 in a row
but that's the thing, there is football in them, they were excellent today and have been one of the most consistent teams in the country for 15 years. that's what makes it so disappointing when they revert to the crap.
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Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 08, 2015, 08:13:07 PM
Will be great to see what a proper footballing team like Kerry will do to a team of cynical cheaters who can only win games by dishing out cheap blows on the opposition and getting opponents sent off, there is very little football ability in them, if there was all irelands for dark arts they would be going for 13 or 14 in a row
Maybe McCann had been watching old Aidan O'Mahony DVD's before the game. Or the way the Dubs closed out the 2013 final. The hysteria about Tyrone on here is brilliant, people incapable of thinking for themselves.
Dublin committed two cycnical fouls in the dying minutes of the 2013 final which was only a fraction of what Mayo had done the year previous.
To compare that to the porfolio of cynicism under St Mickey is nonsense - no team could hold a candle to Tyrone on that front.
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Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 08, 2015, 08:13:07 PM
Will be great to see what a proper footballing team like Kerry will do to a team of cynical cheaters who can only win games by dishing out cheap blows on the opposition and getting opponents sent off, there is very little football ability in them, if there was all irelands for dark arts they would be going for 13 or 14 in a row
but that's the thing, there is football in them, they were excellent today and have been one of the most consistent teams in the country for 15 years. that's what makes it so disappointing when they revert to the crap.
And that's exactly the point. McCann's antics aside look at Cavanagh. Did enough for 3 yellows but duffy just was way out of his depth. I'd say tyrone just laugh out load when they see duffy is their ref. Stroll in the park for them,.
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Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 08, 2015, 08:13:07 PM
Will be great to see what a proper footballing team like Kerry will do to a team of cynical cheaters who can only win games by dishing out cheap blows on the opposition and getting opponents sent off, there is very little football ability in them, if there was all irelands for dark arts they would be going for 13 or 14 in a row
but that's the thing, there is football in them, they were excellent today and have been one of the most consistent teams in the country for 15 years. that's what makes it so disappointing when they revert to the crap.
Tony McCann shouldn't have went down like that and he should get a ban but there were 2 teams out there today.
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Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 08, 2015, 08:13:07 PM
Will be great to see what a proper footballing team like Kerry will do to a team of cynical cheaters who can only win games by dishing out cheap blows on the opposition and getting opponents sent off, there is very little football ability in them, if there was all irelands for dark arts they would be going for 13 or 14 in a row
but that's the thing, there is football in them, they were excellent today and have been one of the most consistent teams in the country for 15 years. that's what makes it so disappointing when they revert to the crap.
Tony McCann shouldn't have went down like that and he should get a ban but there were 2 teams out there today.
Naw - not this time. It just won't cut it. Monaghan's problem was they just didn't know how to be as cynical
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Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 08, 2015, 08:13:07 PM
Will be great to see what a proper footballing team like Kerry will do to a team of cynical cheaters who can only win games by dishing out cheap blows on the opposition and getting opponents sent off, there is very little football ability in them, if there was all irelands for dark arts they would be going for 13 or 14 in a row
but that's the thing, there is football in them, they were excellent today and have been one of the most consistent teams in the country for 15 years. that's what makes it so disappointing when they revert to the crap.
Tony McCann shouldn't have went down like that and he should get a ban but there were 2 teams out there today.
Naw - not this time. It just won't cut it. Monaghan's problem was they just didn't know how to be as cynical
Monaghan's problem is they don't score enough. Same as ever. They have a template to win an Ulster Championship.
They have no template to win AI Titles.
They need to focus on underage and get winning them at that level first.
Dublin were cynical against Mayo, Kerry were cynical against Mayo, Tyrone were cynical towards the end today but they didn't have to be as they were by far the better team. Common denominator is they all won, they all have good players and they are now in the 4 best teams in the country.
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Quote from: Put Up That Flag on August 08, 2015, 08:13:07 PM
Will be great to see what a proper footballing team like Kerry will do to a team of cynical cheaters who can only win games by dishing out cheap blows on the opposition and getting opponents sent off, there is very little football ability in them, if there was all irelands for dark arts they would be going for 13 or 14 in a row
but that's the thing, there is football in them, they were excellent today and have been one of the most consistent teams in the country for 15 years. that's what makes it so disappointing when they revert to the crap.
Tony McCann shouldn't have went down like that and he should get a ban but there were 2 teams out there today.
Naw - not this time. It just won't cut it. Monaghan's problem was they just didn't know how to be as cynical
Monaghan's problem is they don't score enough. Same as ever. They have a template to win an Ulster Championship.
They have no template to win AI Titles.
They need to focus on underage and get winning them at that level first.
I don't necessarily disagree with that but it wasn't my point (its not a perfect formula either - look at cavan). I'm sick of watching football where the perpetrators are a few steps ahead of the ref. That's Tyrone all over and Cavanagh in particular. Duffy never stood a chance
Meyler was hard done by with his black card.
Cavanagh and Donnelly should both have been black carded.
Cavanagh pointing to his shoulder after he clotheslined a Monaghan player was one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.
Quote from: Sidney on August 08, 2015, 08:39:42 PM
Meyler was hard done by with his black card.
Cavanagh and Donnelly should both have been black carded.
Cavanagh pointing to his shoulder after he clotheslined a Monaghan player was one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.
Really!!
Sidney go out and have a beer and leave the computer for a few hours. This can't be good for ye.
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Will be great to see what a proper footballing team like Kerry will do to a team of cynical cheaters who can only win games by dishing out cheap blows on the opposition and getting opponents sent off, there is very little football ability in them, if there was all irelands for dark arts they would be going for 13 or 14 in a row
but that's the thing, there is football in them, they were excellent today and have been one of the most consistent teams in the country for 15 years. that's what makes it so disappointing when they revert to the crap.
Tony McCann shouldn't have went down like that and he should get a ban but there were 2 teams out there today.
Naw - not this time. It just won't cut it. Monaghan's problem was they just didn't know how to be as cynical
Monaghan's problem is they don't score enough. Same as ever. They have a template to win an Ulster Championship.
They have no template to win AI Titles.
They need to focus on underage and get winning them at that level first.
I don't necessarily disagree with that but it wasn't my point (its not a perfect formula either - look at cavan). I'm sick of watching football where the perpetrators are a few steps ahead of the ref. That's Tyrone all over and Cavanagh in particular. Duffy never stood a chance
Look Tyrone have never been any different. At times they are pathetic in the way they drag the game through the mud. They truly can be a disgrace at times in the manner in which they drag the game to a base level typically seen in a Games of Thrones Episode.
But they have a brilliant manager and great development system which we ended up copying. They produce multi-adaptable , highly skilled and conditioned players in sufficient numbers to excel at inter county level. I genuinely admire them for that. When they have a weakness in an area of the pitch they put emphasis on it in the development system to ensure it doesn't happen again. That's why they are so good.
Unfortunately though they also teach some of their players to be scumbags. Why I don't know. But it's a pity because it allows everyone to forget how good some of their players are. But only they can change that
Quote from: Sidney on August 08, 2015, 08:39:42 PM
Meyler was hard done by with his black card.
Cavanagh and Donnelly should both have been black carded.
Cavanagh pointing to his shoulder after he clotheslined a Monaghan player was one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.
Tackled fairly and then acts like an extra getting shot in platoon. There is no way these kind of tactics could be carried out without the say so of Mickey Harte. When it comes to knock out games in the championship it's all about winning, but when you look at Tyrone they are prepared to be scrape so low they could parachute out of a snakes arse to win. Horrible team & tactics who will be found out by Kerry
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Will be great to see what a proper footballing team like Kerry will do to a team of cynical cheaters who can only win games by dishing out cheap blows on the opposition and getting opponents sent off, there is very little football ability in them, if there was all irelands for dark arts they would be going for 13 or 14 in a row
but that's the thing, there is football in them, they were excellent today and have been one of the most consistent teams in the country for 15 years. that's what makes it so disappointing when they revert to the crap.
Tony McCann shouldn't have went down like that and he should get a ban but there were 2 teams out there today.
Naw - not this time. It just won't cut it. Monaghan's problem was they just didn't know how to be as cynical
Monaghan's problem is they don't score enough. Same as ever. They have a template to win an Ulster Championship.
They have no template to win AI Titles.
They need to focus on underage and get winning them at that level first.
I don't necessarily disagree with that but it wasn't my point (its not a perfect formula either - look at cavan). I'm sick of watching football where the perpetrators are a few steps ahead of the ref. That's Tyrone all over and Cavanagh in particular. Duffy never stood a chance
Look Tyrone have never been any different. At times they are pathetic in the way they drag the game through the mud. They truly can be a disgrace at times in the manner in which they drag the game to a base level typically seen in a Games of Thrones Episode.
But they have a brilliant manager and great development system which we ended up copying. They produce multi-adaptable , highly skilled and conditioned players in sufficient numbers to excel at inter county level. I genuinely admire them for that. When they have a weakness in an area of the pitch they put emphasis on it in the development system to ensure it doesn't happen again. That's why they are so good.
Unfortunately though they also teach some of their players to be scumbags. Why I don't know. But it's a pity because it allows everyone to forget how good some of their players are. But only they can change that
Scum is as scum does.
Feel I have t comment on today's match. Myler should never have been black carded and Tyrone deserved to win. But those last 10mins contained some of the most disgraceful behaviour. Sean Cavanagh (the eternal diver) seriously is one of the best players of the decade but this feigning streak he has, diving at any given opportunity is a hateful part of his game. First free to Tyrone was a dive by Cavanagh. Commentator said he's a man that can manufacture a free aka cheating! Next T. McCann - the lad just be embarrassed after that!! Disgraceful at the highest degree. Diving seems to be the go to card! It was Philip Jordan all over again! ( and no I am not from Armagh). The game was won at that stage and still the antics continued. I am not saying that the Monaghan team were Angels but a hard hit deserves a card. At least they didn't dive or feign injury. McCann look at yourself lad!!!!
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Will be great to see what a proper footballing team like Kerry will do to a team of cynical cheaters who can only win games by dishing out cheap blows on the opposition and getting opponents sent off, there is very little football ability in them, if there was all irelands for dark arts they would be going for 13 or 14 in a row
but that's the thing, there is football in them, they were excellent today and have been one of the most consistent teams in the country for 15 years. that's what makes it so disappointing when they revert to the crap.
Tony McCann shouldn't have went down like that and he should get a ban but there were 2 teams out there today.
Naw - not this time. It just won't cut it. Monaghan's problem was they just didn't know how to be as cynical
Monaghan's problem is they don't score enough. Same as ever. They have a template to win an Ulster Championship.
They have no template to win AI Titles.
They need to focus on underage and get winning them at that level first.
I don't necessarily disagree with that but it wasn't my point (its not a perfect formula either - look at cavan). I'm sick of watching football where the perpetrators are a few steps ahead of the ref. That's Tyrone all over and Cavanagh in particular. Duffy never stood a chance
Look Tyrone have never been any different. At times they are pathetic in the way they drag the game through the mud. They truly can be a disgrace at times in the manner in which they drag the game to a base level typically seen in a Games of Thrones Episode.
But they have a brilliant manager and great development system which we ended up copying. They produce multi-adaptable , highly skilled and conditioned players in sufficient numbers to excel at inter county level. I genuinely admire them for that. When they have a weakness in an area of the pitch they put emphasis on it in the development system to ensure it doesn't happen again. That's why they are so good.
Unfortunately though they also teach some of their players to be scumbags. Why I don't know. But it's a pity because it allows everyone to forget how good some of their players are. But only they can change that
we can agree on all that.I wont deny however that I really hope Kerry stuff them (and me following Kerry is a rare event).
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Will be great to see what a proper footballing team like Kerry will do to a team of cynical cheaters who can only win games by dishing out cheap blows on the opposition and getting opponents sent off, there is very little football ability in them, if there was all irelands for dark arts they would be going for 13 or 14 in a row
but that's the thing, there is football in them, they were excellent today and have been one of the most consistent teams in the country for 15 years. that's what makes it so disappointing when they revert to the crap.
Tony McCann shouldn't have went down like that and he should get a ban but there were 2 teams out there today.
Naw - not this time. It just won't cut it. Monaghan's problem was they just didn't know how to be as cynical
Monaghan's problem is they don't score enough. Same as ever. They have a template to win an Ulster Championship.
They have no template to win AI Titles.
They need to focus on underage and get winning them at that level first.
It's not about templates to win ai titles. It's about being able to vary tactics when it counts. There has to be more than one way to break teams down.
Donegal last year and monaghan this year play the ultra defensive counter attacking game well but when faced with it really struggle to adapt.
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Will be great to see what a proper footballing team like Kerry will do to a team of cynical cheaters who can only win games by dishing out cheap blows on the opposition and getting opponents sent off, there is very little football ability in them, if there was all irelands for dark arts they would be going for 13 or 14 in a row
but that's the thing, there is football in them, they were excellent today and have been one of the most consistent teams in the country for 15 years. that's what makes it so disappointing when they revert to the crap.
Tony McCann shouldn't have went down like that and he should get a ban but there were 2 teams out there today.
Naw - not this time. It just won't cut it. Monaghan's problem was they just didn't know how to be as cynical
Monaghan's problem is they don't score enough. Same as ever. They have a template to win an Ulster Championship.
They have no template to win AI Titles.
They need to focus on underage and get winning them at that level first.
It's not about templates to win ai titles. It's about being able to vary tactics when it counts. There has to be more than one way to break teams down.
Donegal last year and monaghan this year play the ultra defensive counter attacking game well but when faced with it really struggle to adapt.
I don't agree tommy they are two entirely different templates for many counties. Fermanagh can win Ulster next year. they can't win the AI though.
Donegal (pre 2015) and Tyrone could win both with the same template. The other Ulster teams just can't transition from attack to defence in Croke Park in sufficient numbers to beat your Kerry, Mayo's and Dublin's.
Mickey Harte has always had a big picture vision for Tyrone. Winning Ulster was never his aim. Winning AI's is- and their structures reflect that.
Great win an all. But Tiernan McCann. Hang yer head in shame. Embarrassing.
Monaghan gutless which was a surprise. Allowed Tyrone to bully them all over the field.
0-18 good scoring. Sean immense.
Quote from: Sidney on August 08, 2015, 08:39:42 PM
Meyler was hard done by with his black card.
Cavanagh and Donnelly should both have been black carded.
Cavanagh pointing to his shoulder after he clotheslined a Monaghan player was one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.
No exaggeration there then
;D
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Will be great to see what a proper footballing team like Kerry will do to a team of cynical cheaters who can only win games by dishing out cheap blows on the opposition and getting opponents sent off, there is very little football ability in them, if there was all irelands for dark arts they would be going for 13 or 14 in a row
Maybe McCann had been watching old Aidan O'Mahony DVD's before the game. Or the way the Dubs closed out the 2013 final. The hysteria about Tyrone on here is brilliant, people incapable of thinking for themselves.
Dublin committed two cycnical fouls in the dying minutes of the 2013 final which was only a fraction of what Mayo had done the year previous.
To compare that to the porfolio of cynicism under St Mickey is nonsense - no team could hold a candle to Tyrone on that front.
That is the problem. For me Monaghan and Tyrone are teams of a similar standard. The difference is that Tyrone are masters of controlling the game from start to finish, many times with cynicism. All the best teams can be cynical but on that front Tyrone are by far the masters and have been for a long time.
Donegal really struggled breaking Monaghan down and were making silly shot selections racking up wides, yet Tyrone seemed to create point scoring opportunities at ease today. Why the difference, is it building up a head of steam through the qualifiers and perfecting things or were Monaghan just not at the races today?
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Quote from: Sidney on August 08, 2015, 08:39:42 PM
Meyler was hard done by with his black card.
Cavanagh and Donnelly should both have been black carded.
Cavanagh pointing to his shoulder after he clotheslined a Monaghan player was one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.
No exaggeration there then
;D
Nah, Tyrone would never do exaggeration, mate.
The way harte's teams play benefit from more games though to fine tune his systems. That doesn't mean he doesn't go out to win ulster- it just means the way he plays gets better with more games.
I guess in some respects i agree with you but i think tactically the big guys really need more than one hand. Very surprised monaghan didn't have that to be honest. Even moving mcmanus out to half forwards and trying longer range points would have been a start. Just changing personnel is not enough.
It's where i think it'll be very interesting this year with gavin. Dublin may win the ai but with what's left at some point they won't steam roll teams and how will they adapt. Especially if fundamental things like half back line goes missing happens...
Personally, one what I thought was a brilliantly executed ruthless performance by a Tyrone team against a very tough opponent was massively tainted by the last 10 minutes - that McCann incident is completely indefensible, its everything you want the game not to be and hopefully internally he his absolutely nailed to the wall by everyone. And then for oneill to wade in and start messing when his team is a winning position was utterly moronic and gutless and should never be given the opportunity to play for tyrone ever again. The tyrone jersey was not left in a good place by meyler, the 2 macanns and oneill, but flip the coin Donnelly, McNabb, Harte and the two cavanaghs had stellar days and I think that today gave an over-rated Kerry outfit a lot to think about - Kerry still favourites but the way they controlled and stifled monaghan today was very impressive.
and to McManus, the man is pure gold to watch, easily in the top two forwards in the country he deserves to play in the later stages of the AI and hopefully he does that in the future
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Will be great to see what a proper footballing team like Kerry will do to a team of cynical cheaters who can only win games by dishing out cheap blows on the opposition and getting opponents sent off, there is very little football ability in them, if there was all irelands for dark arts they would be going for 13 or 14 in a row
but that's the thing, there is football in them, they were excellent today and have been one of the most consistent teams in the country for 15 years. that's what makes it so disappointing when they revert to the crap.
Tony McCann shouldn't have went down like that and he should get a ban but there were 2 teams out there today.
Naw - not this time. It just won't cut it. Monaghan's problem was they just didn't know how to be as cynical
Monaghan's problem is they don't score enough. Same as ever. They have a template to win an Ulster Championship.
They have no template to win AI Titles.
They need to focus on underage and get winning them at that level first.
I don't necessarily disagree with that but it wasn't my point (its not a perfect formula either - look at cavan). I'm sick of watching football where the perpetrators are a few steps ahead of the ref. That's Tyrone all over and Cavanagh in particular. Duffy never stood a chance
Look Tyrone have never been any different. At times they are pathetic in the way they drag the game through the mud. They truly can be a disgrace at times in the manner in which they drag the game to a base level typically seen in a Games of Thrones Episode.
But they have a brilliant manager and great development system which we ended up copying. They produce multi-adaptable , highly skilled and conditioned players in sufficient numbers to excel at inter county level. I genuinely admire them for that. When they have a weakness in an area of the pitch they put emphasis on it in the development system to ensure it doesn't happen again. That's why they are so good.
Unfortunately though they also teach some of their players to be scumbags. Why I don't know. But it's a pity because it allows everyone to forget how good some of their players are. But only they can change that
Scum is as scum does.
So where would be place Tyrone on the scum level then?
Presuming Directors of Genocide to be at the top, followed by murders, rapists, drug dealers, thieves, drunk drivers. Where would Tyrone fit in there?
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2015, 09:01:17 PM
Great win an all. But Tiernan McCann. Hang yer head in shame. Embarrassing.
Monaghan gutless which was a surprise. Allowed Tyrone to bully them all over the field.
0-18 good scoring. Sean immense.
Finally a man among ye!
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Meyler was hard done by with his black card.
Cavanagh and Donnelly should both have been black carded.
Cavanagh pointing to his shoulder after he clotheslined a Monaghan player was one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.
No exaggeration there then
;D
Nah, Tyrone would never do exaggeration, mate.
Except I was talking about you
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Will be great to see what a proper footballing team like Kerry will do to a team of cynical cheaters who can only win games by dishing out cheap blows on the opposition and getting opponents sent off, there is very little football ability in them, if there was all irelands for dark arts they would be going for 13 or 14 in a row
but that's the thing, there is football in them, they were excellent today and have been one of the most consistent teams in the country for 15 years. that's what makes it so disappointing when they revert to the crap.
Tony McCann shouldn't have went down like that and he should get a ban but there were 2 teams out there today.
Naw - not this time. It just won't cut it. Monaghan's problem was they just didn't know how to be as cynical
Monaghan's problem is they don't score enough. Same as ever. They have a template to win an Ulster Championship.
They have no template to win AI Titles.
They need to focus on underage and get winning them at that level first.
I don't necessarily disagree with that but it wasn't my point (its not a perfect formula either - look at cavan). I'm sick of watching football where the perpetrators are a few steps ahead of the ref. That's Tyrone all over and Cavanagh in particular. Duffy never stood a chance
Look Tyrone have never been any different. At times they are pathetic in the way they drag the game through the mud. They truly can be a disgrace at times in the manner in which they drag the game to a base level typically seen in a Games of Thrones Episode.
But they have a brilliant manager and great development system which we ended up copying. They produce multi-adaptable , highly skilled and conditioned players in sufficient numbers to excel at inter county level. I genuinely admire them for that. When they have a weakness in an area of the pitch they put emphasis on it in the development system to ensure it doesn't happen again. That's why they are so good.
Unfortunately though they also teach some of their players to be scumbags. Why I don't know. But it's a pity because it allows everyone to forget how good some of their players are. But only they can change that
Scum is as scum does.
So where would be place Tyrone on the scum level then?
Presuming Directors of Genocide to be at the top, followed by murders, rapists, drug dealers, thieves, drunk drivers. Where would Tyrone fit in there?
When that's your defence, you might just have a problem.
Quote from: Scoring Zone on August 08, 2015, 09:09:19 PM
Personally, one what I thought was a brilliantly executed ruthless performance by a Tyrone team against a very tough opponent was massively tainted by the last 10 minutes - that McCann incident is completely indefensible, its everything you want the game not to be and hopefully internally he his absolutely nailed to the wall by everyone. And then for oneill to wade in and start messing when his team is a winning position was utterly moronic and gutless and should never be given the opportunity to play for tyrone ever again. The tyrone jersey was not left in a good place by meyler, the 2 macanns and oneill, but flip the coin Donnelly, McNabb, Harte and the two cavanaghs had stellar days and I think that today gave an over-rated Kerry outfit a lot to think about - Kerry still favourites but the way they controlled and stifled monaghan today was very impressive.
and to McManus, the man is pure gold to watch, easily in the top two forwards in the country he deserves to play in the later stages of the AI and hopefully he does that in the future
Well said
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Will be great to see what a proper footballing team like Kerry will do to a team of cynical cheaters who can only win games by dishing out cheap blows on the opposition and getting opponents sent off, there is very little football ability in them, if there was all irelands for dark arts they would be going for 13 or 14 in a row
but that's the thing, there is football in them, they were excellent today and have been one of the most consistent teams in the country for 15 years. that's what makes it so disappointing when they revert to the crap.
Tony McCann shouldn't have went down like that and he should get a ban but there were 2 teams out there today.
Naw - not this time. It just won't cut it. Monaghan's problem was they just didn't know how to be as cynical
Monaghan's problem is they don't score enough. Same as ever. They have a template to win an Ulster Championship.
They have no template to win AI Titles.
They need to focus on underage and get winning them at that level first.
I don't necessarily disagree with that but it wasn't my point (its not a perfect formula either - look at cavan). I'm sick of watching football where the perpetrators are a few steps ahead of the ref. That's Tyrone all over and Cavanagh in particular. Duffy never stood a chance
Look Tyrone have never been any different. At times they are pathetic in the way they drag the game through the mud. They truly can be a disgrace at times in the manner in which they drag the game to a base level typically seen in a Games of Thrones Episode.
But they have a brilliant manager and great development system which we ended up copying. They produce multi-adaptable , highly skilled and conditioned players in sufficient numbers to excel at inter county level. I genuinely admire them for that. When they have a weakness in an area of the pitch they put emphasis on it in the development system to ensure it doesn't happen again. That's why they are so good.
Unfortunately though they also teach some of their players to be scumbags. Why I don't know. But it's a pity because it allows everyone to forget how good some of their players are. But only they can change that
Scum is as scum does.
So where would be place Tyrone on the scum level then?
Presuming Directors of Genocide to be at the top, followed by murders, rapists, drug dealers, thieves, drunk drivers. Where would Tyrone fit in there?
Marginally below people who organise dog fights and give character witness statements for murderers but ahead of people who defend corrupt businessmen and advocate right-wing, misogynist political causes. Some of this may or may not be the same people, mind.
Quote from: stew on August 08, 2015, 09:12:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2015, 09:01:17 PM
Great win an all. But Tiernan McCann. Hang yer head in shame. Embarrassing.
Monaghan gutless which was a surprise. Allowed Tyrone to bully them all over the field.
0-18 good scoring. Sean immense.
Finally a man among ye!
Totally agree.
Tyrone were much the better team and deserved the win.
Regarding cavanagh I dunno why people seemed surprised at his antics. Very good player but the other stuff he does is unneeded. The Tyrone number 10 was an absolute disgrace and his antics will overshadow the great scores, defending and Tyrone's ability to move the call from back to front at a very high speed
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2015, 09:08:13 PM
The way harte's teams play benefit from more games though to fine tune his systems. That doesn't mean he doesn't go out to win ulster- it just means the way he plays gets better with more games.
I guess in some respects i agree with you but i think tactically the big guys really need more than one hand. Very surprised monaghan didn't have that to be honest. Even moving mcmanus out to half forwards and trying longer range points would have been a start. Just changing personnel is not enough.
It's where i think it'll be very interesting this year with gavin. Dublin may win the ai but with what's left at some point they won't steam roll teams and how will they adapt. Especially if fundamental things like half back line goes missing happens...
I don't expect Dublin to beat Mayo Tommy and I'll say why in the coming weeks.
Monghan have problem in their system as regards scoring forwards and they need to go back to the drawing board in their development system.
They needed a 25 year old Tommy Freeman and Paul Finlay today. Mc Manus as brilliant as he is (and he is brilliant) can't do it on this own. They remind me of Tyrone 95-97. Good enough to win Ulster.
They don't transition well from defence to attack. The pace is slower in Ulster, its more ponderous. Croke Park is a faster pitch and it requires more pace. Monaghan don't have that because they only have a template to win Ulster.
I actually think that effort by McCann was the worst dive I've ever seen.
In any sport.
The lad needs to be made an example of.
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Will be great to see what a proper footballing team like Kerry will do to a team of cynical cheaters who can only win games by dishing out cheap blows on the opposition and getting opponents sent off, there is very little football ability in them, if there was all irelands for dark arts they would be going for 13 or 14 in a row
but that's the thing, there is football in them, they were excellent today and have been one of the most consistent teams in the country for 15 years. that's what makes it so disappointing when they revert to the crap.
Tony McCann shouldn't have went down like that and he should get a ban but there were 2 teams out there today.
Naw - not this time. It just won't cut it. Monaghan's problem was they just didn't know how to be as cynical
Monaghan's problem is they don't score enough. Same as ever. They have a template to win an Ulster Championship.
They have no template to win AI Titles.
They need to focus on underage and get winning them at that level first.
I don't necessarily disagree with that but it wasn't my point (its not a perfect formula either - look at cavan). I'm sick of watching football where the perpetrators are a few steps ahead of the ref. That's Tyrone all over and Cavanagh in particular. Duffy never stood a chance
Look Tyrone have never been any different. At times they are pathetic in the way they drag the game through the mud. They truly can be a disgrace at times in the manner in which they drag the game to a base level typically seen in a Games of Thrones Episode.
But they have a brilliant manager and great development system which we ended up copying. They produce multi-adaptable , highly skilled and conditioned players in sufficient numbers to excel at inter county level. I genuinely admire them for that. When they have a weakness in an area of the pitch they put emphasis on it in the development system to ensure it doesn't happen again. That's why they are so good.
Unfortunately though they also teach some of their players to be scumbags. Why I don't know. But it's a pity because it allows everyone to forget how good some of their players are. But only they can change that
Scum is as scum does.
So where would be place Tyrone on the scum level then?
Presuming Directors of Genocide to be at the top, followed by murders, rapists, drug dealers, thieves, drunk drivers. Where would Tyrone fit in there?
Marginally below people who organise dog fights and give character witness statements for murderers but ahead of people who defend corrupt businessmen and advocate right-wing, misogynist political causes. Some of this may or may not be the same people, mind.
So that would be below those who assault people in pubs then?
Quote from: INDIANA on August 08, 2015, 09:18:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2015, 09:08:13 PM
The way harte's teams play benefit from more games though to fine tune his systems. That doesn't mean he doesn't go out to win ulster- it just means the way he plays gets better with more games.
I guess in some respects i agree with you but i think tactically the big guys really need more than one hand. Very surprised monaghan didn't have that to be honest. Even moving mcmanus out to half forwards and trying longer range points would have been a start. Just changing personnel is not enough.
It's where i think it'll be very interesting this year with gavin. Dublin may win the ai but with what's left at some point they won't steam roll teams and how will they adapt. Especially if fundamental things like half back line goes missing happens...
I don't expect Dublin to beat Mayo Tommy and I'll say why in the coming weeks.
Monghan have problem in their system as regards scoring forwards and they need to go back to the drawing board in their development system.
They needed a 25 year old Tommy Freeman and Paul Finlay today. Mc Manus as brilliant as he is (and he is brilliant) can't do it on this own. They remind me of Tyrone 95-97. Good enough to win Ulster.
They don't transition well from defence to attack. The pace is slower in Ulster, its more ponderous. Croke Park is a faster pitch and it requires more pace. Monaghan don't have that because they only have a template to win Ulster.
I hope you're right on mayo but wouldn't be so sure. By the way you're illustrating the massive advantage dublin have by talking about the faster pitch...
Finlay with long range points would have helped but freeman would have been bottled up.
I think monaghan have enough talent that they should be able to do better than they did today. The speed you talk about when transitioning should be better with mone and malone at whb. Maybe it was midfield was the issue i'm not sure.
On the subject of finlay his discipline was shocking today. Not like him. I thought both teams were borderline as bad as each other with neither good. Cavanagh was acting up but kieran hughes the same. Mccann dive was shocking. Beggan went down like he'd been hit at one point too and got right back up when he got nothing.
Monaghan didn't have the power around the middle third to run at a packed defence.
Forced to go laterally in the hope that they might work a shot.
Some great long range points kicked, but you won't win a game that way.
Need the bread and butter stuff kicked in and around the D.
McCann made a holy show of himself with the theatrics, impossible to justify and, IMO, will only come back to haunt us in the future i.e. refs giving more calls in 50-50s against us.
However, I'm almost certain Hughes decked Donnelly just before this and looking at his eye after the game it was a brutal shot. Sky cameras showed one brief replay when a punch could be seen. Would be interesting to see that again. Once again, McCann made an absolute prat of himself afterwards, however, Hughes was stupid to grab his hair in clear sight of the ref.
The OTT reaction from some of the plonkers here is ridiculous though. Subtract the McCann incident and Monaghan were equal if not ahead on the dirt scale. Not much mention of Jap's dirty (and dangerous) punches, Kieran Hughes losing the plot a number of times, once when he pulled off a WWF style flying neck grab on Justy.
I am no apologist, I am well aware of our propensity to resort to cynical means to finish off games on occasion, however, the level or blood baying and Maud Flanders-esqe crying would sicken your hole.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2015, 09:08:13 PM
The way harte's teams play benefit from more games though to fine tune his systems. That doesn't mean he doesn't go out to win ulster- it just means the way he plays gets better with more games.
I guess in some respects i agree with you but i think tactically the big guys really need more than one hand. Very surprised monaghan didn't have that to be honest. Even moving mcmanus out to half forwards and trying longer range points would have been a start. Just changing personnel is not enough.
It's where i think it'll be very interesting this year with gavin. Dublin may win the ai but with what's left at some point they won't steam roll teams and how will they adapt. Especially if fundamental things like half back line goes missing happens...
I don't expect Dublin to beat Mayo Tommy and I'll say why in the coming weeks.
Monghan have problem in their system as regards scoring forwards and they need to go back to the drawing board in their development system.
They needed a 25 year old Tommy Freeman and Paul Finlay today. Mc Manus as brilliant as he is (and he is brilliant) can't do it on this own. They remind me of Tyrone 95-97. Good enough to win Ulster.
They don't transition well from defence to attack. The pace is slower in Ulster, its more ponderous. Croke Park is a faster pitch and it requires more pace. Monaghan don't have that because they only have a template to win Ulster.
I hope you're right on mayo but wouldn't be so sure. By the way you're illustrating the massive advantage dublin have by talking about the faster pitch...
Finlay with long range points would have helped but freeman would have been bottled up.
I think monaghan have enough talent that they should be able to do better than they did today. The speed you talk about when transitioning should be better with mone and malone at whb. Maybe it was midfield was the issue i'm not sure.
On the subject of finlay his discipline was shocking today. Not like him. I thought both teams were borderline as bad as each other with neither good. Cavanagh was acting up but kieran hughes the same. Mccann dive was shocking. Beggan went down like he'd been hit at one point too and got right back up when he got nothing.
The problem with this kind of analysis is that you want to attribute equal blame to both sides and then move on. Cavanagh and Hughes - seriously now - catch yourself on. Hughes played right on the limits. Cavanagh went way over yet again and got away with it thanks to marty duffy. Beggan took a bad fall - wasn't looking for anything. Stop making stuff up
Monaghan should have done better but they also should have got a lot more decisions than they did. They may well still have lost but we'll never know. Tyrone went to the bottom of their dirty barrel to win this one
Hi omagh
That's a pretty fair post but you can't subtract what McCann did that was one of the most stupid looking things I ever saw, it's the only thing people will remember from this game whether you like it or not
I have to do say it's hilarious all the Monaghan fans talking about the dark arts.
1 win in the Ulster championship. A follow up win in the league.
Today - Normal. Service. Resumed.
Quote from: tyroneman on August 08, 2015, 09:56:36 PM
I have to do say it's hilarious all the Monaghan fans talking about the dark arts.
1 win in the Ulster championship. A follow up win in the league.
Today - Normal. Service. Resumed.
Its not really Monaghan fans spitting feathers
Quote from: Highlander3 on August 08, 2015, 09:53:07 PM
Hi omagh
That's a pretty fair post but you can't subtract what McCann did that was one of the most stupid looking things I ever saw, it's the only thing people will remember from this game whether you like it or not
I absolutely agree, I am just trying to highlight an another angle that may have been the cause of the red card as well as Hughes' stupidity in grabbing his hair in front of the ref.
I would have no complaints at all if it were possible to retrospectively punish him.
anyway back to the first 60mins, Tyrone looked good breaking quick and have scoring forwards in McCurry, the big fairy, and the clonoe man, Thought Donnelly was Tyrone best man today, you cant beat a scoring midfielder. Monaghan didn't look to be at the races and seemed sluggish like the last 20mins of the donegal game and not the first 50 of the Ulster final. McManus looks to be the best forward in the country but would have need a young Paul Finlay and Freeman up with him for Monaghan to win, they just don`t have the scoring power and will start to go back as there will be players that will retire, just like Donegal. so Tyrone will start to come back to the fore in Ulster.
They be big underdogs against Kerry but Kerry have played only 1 Blanket defence team in Donegal last year. they can be caught on the day, Kerry have alot of scoring power depending if the corner forward is passed fit, If James O`D doesn't play the teams will even up alot.
And as for hating Tyrone, my mother from Tyrone, my Uncle played Minors for them but i just cant warm to them for Obvious reasons
Monaghan's biggest problem was that they couldn't defend Tyrone's kickouts. Every time Monaghan chipped away at the Tyrone lead in the second half Morgan would pick out a man and Tyrone would basically waltz through for a shooting oppurtunity, most of which they took.
Beggan's misses from frees in the first half ironically reminded me of Morgan against Donegal in 2013.
Tyrone are used to winning in Croke Park in championship football. Monaghan are not and really let the occasion get to them.
Tyrone put in an excellent performance and it's such a shame their gutter behaviour left such a sour taste in the mouth.
Monaghan are no angels but there's a clear divide here in terms of blame. That was the most cynical performance I've seen in championhip football for the sheer shamelessness of it. Ironically Meyler, who was largely innocent, was the Tyrone player to suffer most. Cavanagh and Donnelly should have gone for black cards.
Tyrone will put it up to Kerry for 50 minutes but Kerry will win by about 6.
Some Twitter reaction to McCann
http://www.balls.ie/gaa/tiernan-mccann-dive-reaction/304322
regarding the gurning about the "dark arts" - this is elite level, cut throat sport at its very best, I like to see this stuff as it shows that there is a want and passion to win, if u don't like it go watch 90% of the Munster, Connacht and Leinster provincial dross with wins averaging above 10 points which is pitiful, give me a it of dirt needle and aggression any day
Quote from: Scoring Zone on August 08, 2015, 10:17:35 PM
regarding the gurning about the "dark arts" - this is elite level, cut throat sport at its very best, I like to see this stuff as it shows that there is a want and passion to win, if u don't like it go watch 90% of the Munster, Connacht and Leinster provincial dross with wins averaging above 10 points which is pitiful, give me a it of dirt needle and aggression any day
There is dart arts then there is being a sc**bag. And a few Tyrone players were scumbags today with a few Monaghan lads not far behind
You can win without it. The day Tyrone realise that is the day their footballing philosophy will change.
Dive was terrible and def soured a good performance, but wasn't the red card for the contact on R Donnelly rather than the dive? The ref was obviously heading towards them with the book out before the hair incident.
P Harte and Mattie appear to alternate halves for the driving forward role. Happened against Sligo too.
God it is such hard work following Tyrone, gets harder with every win.
Thought donnelly and mcaliskey answered critics today. Have a feeling that tyrone were tiring towards the end due to a few tough weeks, hence resorting to spoiling tactics towards the end. Why cavanagh had to put in that high tackle I don't know. frustrating as we were well in control at this stage. Game swung after that incident. He doesn't need to do that. Mccann dramatics embarrassing but not as criminal as the aggresshair who shouldn't have had his hands anywhere near someone's head in front of the ref. Not worthy of a lynch-mob for Mccann, though, and a slow-mo on rte news. Tyrone now have a great chance of a fourth all ireland. People forget that none of the other teams left beat tyrone in the league and in fact tyrone were unlucky not to beat all.
What did Sean do today to annoy people?
I thought he was a giant today on that field. Was glad to witness it.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 08, 2015, 10:31:21 PM
People forget that none of the other teams left beat tyrone in the league and in fact tyrone were unlucky not to beat all.
Tyrone were unlucky not to beat Dublin in the league?
Quote from: heffo on August 08, 2015, 10:33:45 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 08, 2015, 10:31:21 PM
People forget that none of the other teams left beat tyrone in the league and in fact tyrone were unlucky not to beat all.
Tyrone were unlucky not to beat Dublin in the league?
Yes, Dubs were dead in the water. Last minute goal saved face.
Great performance from Tyrone overall. Disappointed in McCann and I'm sure TSG will rightly focus on it tomorrow night. But to be fair, a dive is a dive regardless of how obvious it is. McCann's not the first, but I would have no problem with TSG driving the issue for retrospective punishment for it. They'll not get a more clear cut dive so it could be a good point to start. But McCann's not the first person on a GAA pitch to dive so some of the crap here is laughable (honourable mention to Stew who just reminded me of how much a d!ck he was in the 00's)
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2015, 10:32:34 PM
What did Sean do today to annoy people?
I thought he was a giant today on that field. Was glad to witness it.
he was.that tackle really annoyed me though because he could have walked. Did the same late on against tipperary. Just think what's the point?
I missed that. Was wondering why 'Scum Scum" was ringing out from the Oriels around me.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 08, 2015, 10:31:21 PM
Thought donnelly and mcaliskey answered critics today. Have a feeling that tyrone were tiring towards the end due to a few tough weeks, hence resorting to spoiling tactics towards the end. Why cavanagh had to put in that high tackle I don't know. frustrating as we were well in control at this stage. Game swung after that incident. He doesn't need to do that. Mccann dramatics embarrassing but not as criminal as the aggresshair who shouldn't have had his hands anywhere near someone's head in front of the ref. Not worthy of a lynch-mob for Mccann, though, and a slow-mo on rte news. Tyrone now have a great chance of a fourth all ireland. People forget that none of the other teams left beat tyrone in the league and in fact tyrone were unlucky not to beat all.
You sir are absolutely right!! Shame on everyone criticising McCann for his Platoon death scene impression. Its all the Monaghan players fault. I can only assume you are a WUM. How any normal sane individual could defend that w**ker's dive is frankly laughable. Having said that today was standard practice for Tyrone. For them & Mickey Harte its all about the result, how they do it clearly doesn't matter. Machiavelli would be proud!
Any word on joe's injury. Mcaliskey looked to have calf trouble too.
McAliskey seemed to be cramping more than anything.
Quote from: Sidney on August 08, 2015, 10:09:23 PM
Monaghan's biggest problem was that they couldn't defend Tyrone's kickouts. Every time Monaghan chipped away at the Tyrone lead in the second half Morgan would pick out a man and Tyrone would basically waltz through for a shooting oppurtunity, most of which they took.
Beggan's misses from frees in the first half ironically reminded me of Morgan against Donegal in 2013.
Tyrone are used to winning in Croke Park in championship football. Monaghan are not and really let the occasion get to them.
Tyrone put in an excellent performance and it's such a shame their gutter behaviour left such a sour taste in the mouth.
Monaghan are no angels but there's a clear divide here in terms of blame. That was the most cynical performance I've seen in championhip football for the sheer shamelessness of it. Ironically Meyler, who was largely innocent, was the Tyrone player to suffer most. Cavanagh and Donnelly should have gone for black cards.
Tyrone will put it up to Kerry for 50 minutes but Kerry will win by about 6.
Tyrone's kick outs today were an art form, an actual template, both the short and long. In comparison Monaghan's were one track.
That had a primary effect on the outcome of the game.
Monaghan's problem in the last 1/4 was that they allowed themselves to be dragged down in reacting to the cynicism instead of doing their all to claw the lead back, that was a serious indiscipline. It annoys the feck out of me to see players more concerned about reacting to provocation than trying to set up a scoring opportunity as soon as possible.
Tyrone are just zoned into this closing down the game by any crude means possible, it's up to the opposition not to react and/or not to be so far behind after 50 minutes of the game.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 08, 2015, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on August 08, 2015, 10:17:35 PM
regarding the gurning about the "dark arts" - this is elite level, cut throat sport at its very best, I like to see this stuff as it shows that there is a want and passion to win, if u don't like it go watch 90% of the Munster, Connacht and Leinster provincial dross with wins averaging above 10 points which is pitiful, give me a it of dirt needle and aggression any day
There is dart arts then there is being a sc**bag. And a few Tyrone players were scumbags today with a few Monaghan lads not far behind
You can win without it. The day Tyrone realise that is the day their footballing philosophy will change.
overly sensitive reply but outside McCann and oneill which are embarrassingly gutless acts, what are the other instances you are referring to?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2015, 09:19:05 PM
I actually think that effort by McCann was the worst dive I've ever seen.
In any sport.
The lad needs to be made an example of.
Was Michael Shields made an example of, No, so why should McCann. Can't just single 1 man out.
McManus going by Cavanagh for a free nudges him and the 6ft 3in tyrone man goes down like he was downed by a sniper, but Sean hasnt done that before, even the ref was laughing at him.
Quote from: Main Street on August 08, 2015, 10:58:15 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 08, 2015, 10:09:23 PM
Monaghan's biggest problem was that they couldn't defend Tyrone's kickouts. Every time Monaghan chipped away at the Tyrone lead in the second half Morgan would pick out a man and Tyrone would basically waltz through for a shooting oppurtunity, most of which they took.
Beggan's misses from frees in the first half ironically reminded me of Morgan against Donegal in 2013.
Tyrone are used to winning in Croke Park in championship football. Monaghan are not and really let the occasion get to them.
Tyrone put in an excellent performance and it's such a shame their gutter behaviour left such a sour taste in the mouth.
Monaghan are no angels but there's a clear divide here in terms of blame. That was the most cynical performance I've seen in championhip football for the sheer shamelessness of it. Ironically Meyler, who was largely innocent, was the Tyrone player to suffer most. Cavanagh and Donnelly should have gone for black cards.
Tyrone will put it up to Kerry for 50 minutes but Kerry will win by about 6.
Tyrone's kick outs today were an art form, an actual template, both the short and long. In comparison Monaghan's were one track.
That had a primary effect on the outcome of the game.
Monaghan's problem in the last 1/4 was that they allowed themselves to be dragged down in reacting to the cynicism instead of doing their all to claw the lead back, that was a serious indiscipline. It annoys the feck out of me to see players more concerned about reacting to provocation than trying to set up a scoring opportunity as soon as possible.
Tyrone are just zoned into this closing down the game by any crude means possible, it's up to the opposition not to react and/or not to be so far behind after 50 minutes of the game.
Monaghan panicked from early on. They kept hitting aimless balls in towards McManus and Tyrone mopped it up. Either that or aimless shots on goal. I've been a big fan of Malachy O'Rourke as a coach up to now but Monaghan looked totally unprepared for falling behind. They just did not look like they had any plan.
Quote from: Main Street on August 08, 2015, 10:58:15 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 08, 2015, 10:09:23 PM
Monaghan's biggest problem was that they couldn't defend Tyrone's kickouts. Every time Monaghan chipped away at the Tyrone lead in the second half Morgan would pick out a man and Tyrone would basically waltz through for a shooting oppurtunity, most of which they took.
Beggan's misses from frees in the first half ironically reminded me of Morgan against Donegal in 2013.
Tyrone are used to winning in Croke Park in championship football. Monaghan are not and really let the occasion get to them.
Tyrone put in an excellent performance and it's such a shame their gutter behaviour left such a sour taste in the mouth.
Monaghan are no angels but there's a clear divide here in terms of blame. That was the most cynical performance I've seen in championhip football for the sheer shamelessness of it. Ironically Meyler, who was largely innocent, was the Tyrone player to suffer most. Cavanagh and Donnelly should have gone for black cards.
Tyrone will put it up to Kerry for 50 minutes but Kerry will win by about 6.
Tyrone's kick outs today were an art form, an actual template, both the short and long. In comparison Monaghan's were one track.
That had a primary effect on the outcome of the game.
Monaghan's problem in the last 1/4 was that they allowed themselves to be dragged down in reacting to the cynicism instead of doing their all to claw the lead back, that was a serious indiscipline. It annoys the feck out of me to see players more concerned about reacting to provocation than trying to set up a scoring opportunity as soon as possible.
Tyrone are just zoned into this closing down the game by any crude means possible, it's up to the opposition not to react and/or not to be so far behind after 50 minutes of the game.
I agree with this and it showed a lot naivety from even experienced Monaghan players. Kerry, Dublin, Donegal and Mayo will all happily play handbags when they are 4 points up inside the last 10 mins. You can't score when you are getting cards.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2015, 11:02:38 PM
McManus going by Cavanagh for a free nudges him and the 6ft 3in tyrone man goes down like he was downed by a sniper, but Sean hasnt done that before, even the ref was laughing at him.
Marty wouldn't fall for any of that. That doesn't even need saying like.
Quote from: dublin7 on August 08, 2015, 10:47:47 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 08, 2015, 10:31:21 PM
Thought donnelly and mcaliskey answered critics today. Have a feeling that tyrone were tiring towards the end due to a few tough weeks, hence resorting to spoiling tactics towards the end. Why cavanagh had to put in that high tackle I don't know. frustrating as we were well in control at this stage. Game swung after that incident. He doesn't need to do that. Mccann dramatics embarrassing but not as criminal as the aggresshair who shouldn't have had his hands anywhere near someone's head in front of the ref. Not worthy of a lynch-mob for Mccann, though, and a slow-mo on rte news. Tyrone now have a great chance of a fourth all ireland. People forget that none of the other teams left beat tyrone in the league and in fact tyrone were unlucky not to beat all.
You sir are absolutely right!! Shame on everyone criticising McCann for his Platoon death scene impression. Its all the Monaghan players fault. I can only assume you are a WUM. How any normal sane individual could defend that w**ker's dive is frankly laughable. Having said that today was standard practice for Tyrone. For them & Mickey Harte its all about the result, how they do it clearly doesn't matter. Machiavelli would be proud!
jaysus that's a tad strong. Have you met mccann to form such an opinion? in the grand scheme of things what he did was embarrassing and he should be reminded of that as we don't need that sort of crap in the game. But where does it sit beside biting and gouging or dangerous frontal charges? You seem to have tyrone characterised down to a t and God forbid anyone challenge that. All the world's a stage, my friend...
Massively disappointing not to preform today. Tone was set in first minute when Monaghan fumbled possession and had a few stray passes under little pressure. Thought they settled with two good scores after that but never really pushed on, as o'rourke said they lacked urgency and energy. Too many times in first half we found Duffy, Lennon, Kelly, macadam on the ball and in space, Tyrone seemed happy to let them have it as they aren't play makers or a threat. This freed up more defenders to close space and watch the danger men. Therefore when gollogy, o'connell and mcanespie tried to carry they got bottled up and turned over.
Tyrone the better team and are in great shape, seemed to open gaps an awful lot of the time and constantly turn the Monaghan defenders out of position. Too many Monaghan players below par. Was very surprised that he dropped Malone and Owen Duffy. Both did well in Ulster final and Malone has played a big role all year in linking defence and attacking and adding a bit of bite in the tackle, for a small guy he has physical presence and quick feet in tight spaces. Duffy can take a score and run at pace. Neither gollogy or mcanespie offer this.
Enough been said about the other carry on, which is beyond defendable. Finlay could have walked, K Hughes looked like he wanted to walk but didn't cross the line and I watched him rampaging round trying to muster a dig but at last minute each time pulled away from it. Wasn't pretty to see but it actually seemed to put life in Monaghan! Duffy is a terrible ref. and I'll make no apologies in saying that I hope Kerry beat Tyrone out the gate the next day.
In all of the shite going what is getting lost is that Tyrone are capable of taking some sublime scores.
Thanks to a couple of Tyrone posters who actually have the balls to call it how it is I have renewed faith in the fact that not all Tyrone supporters are apologist arseholes.
I still hope however that Kerry put manners on the f**kers! I will pray fervently that the Gooch hands the hoors their arse at the end, Tyrone are the single most hateful team the GAA has ever seen.
Quote from: Bingo on August 08, 2015, 11:09:52 PM
Massively disappointing not to preform today. Tone was set in first minute when Monaghan fumbled possession and had a few stray passes under little pressure. Thought they settled with two good scores after that but never really pushed on, as o'rourke said they lacked urgency and energy. Too many times in first half we found Duffy, Lennon, Kelly, macadam on the ball and in space, Tyrone seemed happy to let them have it as they aren't play makers or a threat. This freed up more defenders to close space and watch the danger men. Therefore when gollogy, o'connell and mcanespie tried to carry they got bottled up and turned over.
Tyrone the better team and are in great shape, seemed to open gaps an awful lot of the time and constantly turn the Monaghan defenders out of position. Too many Monaghan players below par. Was very surprised that he dropped Malone and Owen Duffy. Both did well in Ulster final and Malone has played a big role all year in linking defence and attacking and adding a bit of bite in the tackle, for a small guy he has physical presence and quick feet in tight spaces. Duffy can take a score and run at pace. Neither gollogy or mcanespie offer this.
Enough been said about the other carry on, which is beyond defendable. Finlay could have walked, K Hughes looked like he wanted to walk but didn't cross the line and I watched him rampaging round trying to muster a dig but at last minute each time pulled away from it. Wasn't pretty to see but it actually seemed to put life in Monaghan! Duffy is a terrible ref. and I'll make no apologies in saying that I hope Kerry beat Tyrone out the gate the next day.
Did ye notice how Monaghan retreated en masse when Tyrone won possession in their own 20. Not even a tackle. The likes of Colm Cav knew when he won the ball that he's going to be able to advance 15-20m unopposed even though he's within a firm shoulder from a couple of Monaghan men. Only when Clerkin came on and he was yelling at his men to put pressure on Tyrone (defending a 5 pt lead) that they made Tyrone work a bit in their own half.
McAliskey and McCurry harried your full backs.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2015, 11:02:38 PM
McManus going by Cavanagh for a free nudges him and the 6ft 3in tyrone man goes down like he was downed by a sniper, but Sean hasnt done that before, even the ref was laughing at him.
Great footballer but a poor role model for the game.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 08, 2015, 11:22:13 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2015, 11:02:38 PM
McManus going by Cavanagh for a free nudges him and the 6ft 3in tyrone man goes down like he was downed by a sniper, but Sean hasnt done that before, even the ref was laughing at him.
Great footballer but a poor role model for the game.
I cant abide the big f**ker but he is, when he wants to be, one of the all time greats!
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2015, 11:20:23 PM
Quote from: Bingo on August 08, 2015, 11:09:52 PM
Massively disappointing not to preform today. Tone was set in first minute when Monaghan fumbled possession and had a few stray passes under little pressure. Thought they settled with two good scores after that but never really pushed on, as o'rourke said they lacked urgency and energy. Too many times in first half we found Duffy, Lennon, Kelly, macadam on the ball and in space, Tyrone seemed happy to let them have it as they aren't play makers or a threat. This freed up more defenders to close space and watch the danger men. Therefore when gollogy, o'connell and mcanespie tried to carry they got bottled up and turned over.
Tyrone the better team and are in great shape, seemed to open gaps an awful lot of the time and constantly turn the Monaghan defenders out of position. Too many Monaghan players below par. Was very surprised that he dropped Malone and Owen Duffy. Both did well in Ulster final and Malone has played a big role all year in linking defence and attacking and adding a bit of bite in the tackle, for a small guy he has physical presence and quick feet in tight spaces. Duffy can take a score and run at pace. Neither gollogy or mcanespie offer this.
Enough been said about the other carry on, which is beyond defendable. Finlay could have walked, K Hughes looked like he wanted to walk but didn't cross the line and I watched him rampaging round trying to muster a dig but at last minute each time pulled away from it. Wasn't pretty to see but it actually seemed to put life in Monaghan! Duffy is a terrible ref. and I'll make no apologies in saying that I hope Kerry beat Tyrone out the gate the next day.
Did ye notice how Monaghan retreated en masse when Tyrone won possession in their own 20. Not even a tackle. The likes of Colm Cav knew when he won the ball that he's going to be able to advance 15-20m unopposed even though he's within a firm shoulder from a couple of Monaghan men. Only when Clerking came on and he was yelling at his men to put pressure on Tyrone (defending a 5 pt lead) that they made Tyrone work a bit in their own half.
McAliskey and McCurry harried your full backs.
Aye was very frustrating. It worked in Ulster final. Half push up on kick outs but when it was won, turn and retreat to defend the line. But Donegal where slow to carry ball. Tyrone really pressed at pace with ball, so Monaghan defence was all over the place, huge gaps in the pocket to take scores or force frees in the mood Duffy was in. Colm cav either carried at pace or was picked out on the forty from kick out unopposed to run at Monaghan. They then had willing runners to support him and Monaghan chased shadows. I'd say Tyrone got 3 or 4 scores within 10 seconds of a kick out, and normally after a Monaghan score.
Also thought Tyrone at times dropped off Monaghan kick out and in other spells they pressed high, like a basketball full court press. Be interesting to look back if this was for preset time period or after scores, they forced one bad kick from beggan from this and took a score and unsettled Monaghan at other times.
Why was the ref not allowing quick kick outs at times and others he ignored?
Also, he was harsh on Monaghan in the second half twice for calling back play when Monaghan played a free quickly.
Couldn't be bothered reading thru all that shite, but Neil macadam play acting was just as bad after Sean's tackle. He had to be put into the recovery position and i thought his neck was broke. Didn't see the McCann incident but hes coward so no surprise
Not long in from the game, a number of observations.
First off, *about to be sick in mouth* congrats Tyrone. That was f**king ruthless. A joy to watch. Defended impeccably in numbers and seamlessly transformed into attack on the turn over. Some of the scores were absolutely sublime. You'd struggle to think of a Tyrone player that played poorly today.
Secondly, I would like to know how does your physio do it? Is he some sort of ultra being sent by God? Has he magical healing powers? I mean big St Sean must have been shot about 3/4 times there today by the Croke Park sniper and each time looked to be in complete agony. Your physio worked wonders! At one stage McAliskey(?) was overturned having been targeted by the same marksman, but as the physio ran on he magically rose to his feet. That was amazing by the physio, he didn't even have to administer treatment that time! Coincidentally Tyrone had regained possession on the attack ::)
Thirdly: McCann. What can be said that hasn't already been said. I was going to say he should apologise to his teammates and the Gaels of Tyrone however many of them seem to condone his play acting. And here's me thinking Fergus was the biggest Jessie on that team ::) An apology to the rest of Ireland should suffice. Jesus wept.
Tyrone will give Kerry plenty to think about. Despite today's ungentlemanly conduct part of me wants them back in an AI final. If anything to piss over the southern Dublin/Kerry love-in.
Quote from: redzone on August 08, 2015, 11:35:12 PM
Couldn't be bothered reading thru all that shite, but Neil macadam play acting was just as bad after Sean's tackle. He had to be put into the recovery position and i thought his neck was broke. Didn't see the McCann incident but hes coward so no surprise
He got nailed. The ref had dealt with it and they were behind so if he was play acting why would he have stayed down?
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2015, 11:34:29 PM
Why was the ref not allowing quick kick outs at times and others he ignored?
Also, he was harsh on Monaghan in the second half twice for calling back play when Monaghan played a free quickly.
He's Marty Duffy, he does what he wants ;)
No idea, once he second half he done it when Monaghan looked to have a gap on a break in the Tyrone half.
Also forget to mention Tyrone fans. Again you lot are complete pukes. Every decision against Tyrone, no matter how blatantly obvious was the ref being a cheating bastid! Still yapping about decisions with the game won! Mayo fans just as bad, applauding wides and yellow cards and cheering every Donegal mistake! Again the game won and over with 25 mins to go!
Ronan McNabb is an absolute class act.
Better team won today and I find the outrage a bit condescending, Kerry have done as bad in three of four games in the past year.
Quote from: Bingo on August 08, 2015, 11:38:40 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2015, 11:34:29 PM
Why was the ref not allowing quick kick outs at times and others he ignored?
Also, he was harsh on Monaghan in the second half twice for calling back play when Monaghan played a free quickly.
He's Marty Duffy, he does what he wants ;)
No idea, once he second half he done it when Monaghan looked to have a gap on a break in the Tyrone half.
Struck me he was a man who liked having a breather.
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2015, 11:34:29 PM
Why was the ref not allowing quick kick outs at times and others he ignored?
Also, he was harsh on Monaghan in the second half twice for calling back play when Monaghan played a free quickly.
We had what looked like a perfectly good goal disallowed from a quick free, taken from the correct spot.
Quote from: general_lee on August 08, 2015, 11:40:25 PM
Also forget to mention Tyrone fans. Again you lot are complete pukes. Every decision against Tyrone, no matter how blatantly obvious was the ref being a cheating bastid! Still yapping about decisions with the game won! Mayo fans just as bad, applauding wides and yellow cards and cheering every Donegal mistake! Again the game won and over with 25 mins to go!
All part of the pantomime. You Armagh shower are the worst I've encountered. Yiz even cheer yer own wides.
Where did the lad hanratty for Monaghan disappear to? seemed decent 3-4yrs back
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2015, 11:43:12 PM
Quote from: general_lee on August 08, 2015, 11:40:25 PM
Also forget to mention Tyrone fans. Again you lot are complete pukes. Every decision against Tyrone, no matter how blatantly obvious was the ref being a cheating bastid! Still yapping about decisions with the game won! Mayo fans just as bad, applauding wides and yellow cards and cheering every Donegal mistake! Again the game won and over with 25 mins to go!
All part of the pantomime. You Armagh shower are the worst I've encountered. Yiz even cheer yer own wides.
McKenna Cup Feb 2014 in Omagh and Tyrone winning by about 75 points jeering with around 30 seconds left on the clock left because a decision didn't go your way.
Couldn't love yas if ya rared yas.
Yer ma loves me.
Just in from the game and I thought Monaghan really let themselves down in injury time. The game was over and 2 or 3 of their players could have walked. As for the ref. Shocking stuff. How some players weren't black carded while meyler was is crazy. Never seen the dive and it isn't nice but neither are hughes or Finlay trying to decapitate their opponents. Thought sean cavanagh was excellent today. Special mention for the legend that is mickey harte. Bring on the kingdom!
I'm just in from the game and not really interested in reading through the usual suspects tearing into Tyrone again and for the record I have no time for the actions of McCann but I did think football wise he had a superb second half. Some observations from the game from my point of view....Colm Cavanagh was excellent, must be one of the most under rated players in the country, Meylers black card was utterly ridiculous, Monaghan's point taking from distance was superb, Tyrone controlled the game and I felt always had Monaghan at arms length, Tyrone's ability to engineer point scoring opportunities is improving game by game but we still aren't creating enough goal scoring opportunities and finally, you Monaghan folk really love that song about the tractor!
McAliskey was very fortunate to get a free for the goal chance he fluffed.
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2015, 11:56:29 PM
McAliskey was very fortunate to get a free for the goal chance he fluffed.
On the contrary, he was pushed at the last minute-definite black card. A great turn of pace by Conor.
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2015, 11:56:29 PM
McAliskey was very fortunate to get a free for the goal chance he fluffed.
He was and it came straight from a very obvious trip on McManus that wasn't given. 2 point swing in that 30 seconds spell.
Again was it a drag down? if not hows it a black card
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2015, 11:54:53 PM
I'm just in from the game and not really interested in reading through the usual suspects tearing into Tyrone again and for the record I have no time for the actions of McCann but I did think football wise he had a superb second half. Some observations from the game from my point of view....Colm Cavanagh was excellent, must be one of the most under rated players in the country, Meylers black card was utterly ridiculous, Monaghan's point taking from distance was superb, Tyrone controlled the game and I felt always had Monaghan at arms length, Tyrone's ability to engineer point scoring opportunities is improving game by game but we still aren't creating enough goal scoring opportunities and finally, you Monaghan folk really love that song about the tractor!
I watched him turn and sprint time and time again, from midfield to get back to protect his full back line. I think someone showed Barry Moran a video of Colm and told him to do this until his lungs burst. Which they did.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2015, 11:59:51 PM
Again was it a drag down? if not hows it a black card
drag down by a ghost maybe. No monaghan player dragged him down anyway
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2015, 11:38:17 PM
Quote from: redzone on August 08, 2015, 11:35:12 PM
Couldn't be bothered reading thru all that shite, but Neil macadam play acting was just as bad after Sean's tackle. He had to be put into the recovery position and i thought his neck was broke. Didn't see the McCann incident but hes coward so no surprise
He got nailed. The ref had dealt with it and they were behind so if he was play acting why would he have stayed down?
He got hit hard on the chest. He stayed down to try and get Sean black carded. It was in the first half and if it had of worked may well have changed the game. Same form of cheating I'm sure you will agree. Rory began as well one time
Quote from: Whishtup on August 08, 2015, 11:58:33 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2015, 11:56:29 PM
McAliskey was very fortunate to get a free for the goal chance he fluffed.
On the contrary, he was pushed at the last minute-definite black card. A great turn of pace by Conor.
Didn't look like it at the time. You can't get a black for a push. (pull down/trip yes)
Was at the game today myself and didn't see the McCann incident that everyone was talking about - I was fairly far away in the upper deck of the Hogan. Have to say however that Tyrone thoroughly deserved their victory and were always in control. I'm sure they'll not be too worried about all the sour grapes, bitching and abuse they've been receiving on this forum tonight (and most of it from non Monaghan fans). It is more likely to reinforce the siege mentality and spur them on.
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 12:02:58 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 08, 2015, 11:58:33 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2015, 11:56:29 PM
McAliskey was very fortunate to get a free for the goal chance he fluffed.
On the contrary, he was pushed at the last minute-definite black card. A great turn of pace by Conor.
Didn't look like it at the time. You can't get a black for a push. (pull down/trip yes)
Hand was on Connors back as he went to shoot. Refs usually react to this.
Quote from: redzone on August 09, 2015, 12:02:14 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2015, 11:38:17 PM
Quote from: redzone on August 08, 2015, 11:35:12 PM
Couldn't be bothered reading thru all that shite, but Neil macadam play acting was just as bad after Sean's tackle. He had to be put into the recovery position and i thought his neck was broke. Didn't see the McCann incident but hes coward so no surprise
He got nailed. The ref had dealt with it and they were behind so if he was play acting why would he have stayed down?
He got hit hard on the chest. He stayed down to try and get Sean black carded. It was in the first half and if it had of worked may well have changed the game. Same form of cheating I'm sure you will agree. Rory began as well one time
heres more of it. Trying to drag everyone down to your own level. Beggan came out for a ball and fell badly. He hurt himself - end of.
As for Cavanagh he did enough for 3 yellows but as usual he's untouchable. Kid yourself all you want but the camera's don't lie.
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2015, 11:41:25 PM
Quote from: Bingo on August 08, 2015, 11:38:40 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2015, 11:34:29 PM
Why was the ref not allowing quick kick outs at times and others he ignored?
Also, he was harsh on Monaghan in the second half twice for calling back play when Monaghan played a free quickly.
He's Marty Duffy, he does what he wants ;)
No idea, once he second half he done it when Monaghan looked to have a gap on a break in the Tyrone half.
Struck me he was a man who liked having a breather.
He was insisting the kick out was taken from the proper place. Corrected Morgan on a few occasions at the start.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2015, 11:59:51 PM
Again was it a drag down? if not hows it a black card
Good question-I stand corrected. Opens up the question why a pull doen if someone is about to pull the trigger is a black card but not a push-this doesn't seem to be defined in the rulebook.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2015, 11:59:51 PM
Again was it a drag down? if not hows it a black card
No - it wasn't even a free
Quote from: straightred on August 09, 2015, 12:06:36 AM
Quote from: redzone on August 09, 2015, 12:02:14 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 08, 2015, 11:38:17 PM
Quote from: redzone on August 08, 2015, 11:35:12 PM
Couldn't be bothered reading thru all that shite, but Neil macadam play acting was just as bad after Sean's tackle. He had to be put into the recovery position and i thought his neck was broke. Didn't see the McCann incident but hes coward so no surprise
He got nailed. The ref had dealt with it and they were behind so if he was play acting why would he have stayed down?
He got hit hard on the chest. He stayed down to try and get Sean black carded. It was in the first half and if it had of worked may well have changed the game. Same form of cheating I'm sure you will agree. Rory began as well one time
heres more of it. Trying to drag everyone down to your own level. Beggan came out for a ball and fell badly. He hurt himself - end of.
As for Cavanagh he did enough for 3 yellows but as usual he's untouchable. Kid yourself all you want but the camera's don't lie.
Began clearly lay down clutching his face one time but got back up when play wasn't stopped. That's a fact for it was in front of me. Maybe the cameras didn't pick it up.
Quote from: redcard on August 09, 2015, 12:07:47 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2015, 11:41:25 PM
Quote from: Bingo on August 08, 2015, 11:38:40 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2015, 11:34:29 PM
Why was the ref not allowing quick kick outs at times and others he ignored?
Also, he was harsh on Monaghan in the second half twice for calling back play when Monaghan played a free quickly.
He's Marty Duffy, he does what he wants ;)
No idea, once he second half he done it when Monaghan looked to have a gap on a break in the Tyrone half.
Struck me he was a man who liked having a breather.
He was insisting the kick out was taken from the proper place. Corrected Morgan on a few occasions at the start.
Fair enough - couldn't work it out. He wasn't fussed on the advantage rule during play.
From the replay it was clear that he was pushed.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 09, 2015, 12:08:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2015, 11:59:51 PM
Again was it a drag down? if not hows it a black card
Good question-I stand corrected. Opens up the question why a pull doen if someone is about to pull the trigger is a black card but not a push-this doesn't seem to be defined in the rulebook.
Was thinking that too. Instead of tripping or rugby tackling, a 2-handed push into the goal posts will only result in a yellow. Beware Gooch.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 09, 2015, 12:12:27 AM
From the replay it was clear that he was pushed.
we'll agree to differ- never a free IMO just like the first free in the game. They all add up and tyrone got more than their fair share today.
To the poster talking about began The only incident I can remember is when it he came out and punched a high ball and fell badly. He's not a messer anyway.
61,784 there today, great crowd. I think Monaghan had the most there.
well if he was pushed is that a black card or yellow? or just a free? the black card ruled not defined clearly???
But the big issue that people are missing is that someone sang a song about tractors at half time and the big screens showed tractors. It was like porn for a group of Monaghan fans a few seats down from me.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 09, 2015, 12:18:54 AM
well if he was pushed is that a black card or yellow? or just a free? the black card ruled not defined clearly???
Black card = trip, drag or body check. (as well as verbals)
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 09, 2015, 12:19:31 AM
But the big issue that people are missing is that someone sang a song about tractors at half time and the big screens showed tractors. It was like porn for a group of Monaghan fans a few seats down from me.
They were going buck mad. Knew the words an all.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 09, 2015, 12:18:54 AM
well if he was pushed is that a black card or yellow? or just a free? the black card ruled not defined clearly???
if he was pushed (which as I'm sure you'll know by now I think he wasn't) then its a free - nothing more. I suppose he could get a yellow but not a black
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 09, 2015, 12:19:31 AM
But the big issue that people are missing is that someone sang a song about tractors at half time and the big screens showed tractors. It was like porn for a group of Monaghan fans a few seats down from me.
Was it hit the diff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1JIgtX5pCk
Quote from: straightred on August 09, 2015, 12:21:30 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 09, 2015, 12:18:54 AM
well if he was pushed is that a black card or yellow? or just a free? the black card ruled not defined clearly???
if he was pushed (which as I'm sure you'll know by now I think he wasn't) then its a free - nothing more. I suppose he could get a yellow but not a black
I'd say you are correct, unless you are lucky enough to push him into the post(whoops, letting my Tyrone dark arts mask down!).
Quote from: redcard on August 09, 2015, 12:24:54 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 09, 2015, 12:19:31 AM
But the big issue that people are missing is that someone sang a song about tractors at half time and the big screens showed tractors. It was like porn for a group of Monaghan fans a few seats down from me.
Was it hit the diff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1JIgtX5pCk
Aggghhh!
Unhear! Unhear!
I had to put on Rick Astley to get that out of my head.
Then I had to put on Chumbawamba to get Rick Astley out.
Working my way back to sanity now via Johnny Logan.
This could take a while.......
If he watched that today is it possible that the referee in the semi final will think twice every time he goes to give Tyrone a free?
Ok Firstly the best team won. No doubt. Monaghan never turned up today which was more disappointing than any of the tyrone antics. We scored some superb points but our normally reliable defence went missing in action. Midfield got walked over again but that is the norm anyway. We could never get within striking distance. It wouldn't have taken much to have actually turned that game around on another day. We gifted tyrone a few scores. Marty gifted them a few more. But we beat ourselves by not performing. As for mccann. Embarrassing. Nuf said.
It's fairly clear lads ...
1. Tyrone dominated Monaghan from start to finish no question.
2. Cavanagh tried to decapitate a Monaghan player and then tried to proclaim his innocence for some unknown reason.
3. Monaghan (particularly Finlay when he came on) lost the run of themselves and should have had at least 2 men red carded.
4. Tyrone lay down like Children... Cavanagh (what? No he's not a diver)... The lad who got black carded who actually changed the angle of his run to collide with Hughes and tried ed to get him black carded... McCann (well covered and still no reasonable defence from the inbreds).
5. Trampish behaviour from McNabb digging McManus in the ribs and McMahon being generally a cnut throughout the game.
Anyway all we should be taking about is number 1 but Tyrone just can't do winning with grace. They were well on top in the game why the nonsense?? Also why does Saint Mickey Opus Dei I'm wile Holy Harte send his players out to do this shit? Its been going on for 12 years now how do hos hands continue to be kept clean with this nonsense he sends his players out to execute?
The blanket defence is one thing but sending your players out to sledge/dive/sly dig the opponent is not in the spirit of the game and while you can understand it when teams are getting beat well I find it hard to condone when your team is winning comfortably.
The only salvation is Tyrone are not at the Kerry/Dublin/Mayo level... Thank God!!!
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2015, 12:48:11 AM
It's fairly clear lads ...
1. Tyrone dominated Monaghan from start to finish no question.
2. Cavanagh tried to decapitate a Monaghan player and then tried to proclaim his innocence for some unknown reason.
3. Monaghan (particularly Finlay when he came on) lost the run of themselves and should have had at least 2 men red carded.
4. Tyrone lay down like Children... Cavanagh (what? No he's not a diver)... The lad who got black carded who actually changed the angle of his run to collide with Hughes and tried ed to get him black carded... McCann (well covered and still no reasonable defence from the inbreds).
5. Trampish behaviour from McNabb digging McManus in the ribs and McMahon being generally a cnut throughout the game.
Anyway all we should be taking about is number 1 but Tyrone just can't do winning with grace. They were well on top in the game why the nonsense?? Also why does Saint Mickey Opus Dei I'm wile Holy Harte send his players out to do this shit? Its been going on for 12 years now how do hos hands continue to be kept clean with this nonsense he sends his players out to execute?
The blanket defence is one thing but sending your players out to sledge/dive/sly dig the opponent is not in the spirit of the game and while you can understand it when teams are getting beat well I find it hard to condone when your team is winning comfortably.
The only salvation is Tyrone are not at the Kerry/Dublin/Mayo level... Thank God!!!
Hmmm.
The reaction of the in-breds and the apple chompers is amusing.
What Finlay did was worse than anything that went on elsewhere.
For the record, Tyrone were without question the better team. I just think they're classless, that's all.
Quote from: Darby on August 09, 2015, 12:54:22 AM
For the record, Tyrone were without question the better team. I just think they're classless, that's all.
All of them?
Screenexile, point number 2 has been raised continuously all evening but surely this happens in every game that's ever been played i.e. the tackler trying to downplay his indiscretion? Is it any different than a soccer player trying to cod the ref into saying he played the ball first in a heavy challenge?
Quote from: Darby on August 09, 2015, 12:54:22 AM
For the record, Tyrone were without question the better team. I just think they're classless, that's all.
You are a Kerryman. ;D
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 12:53:21 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2015, 12:48:11 AM
It's fairly clear lads ...
1. Tyrone dominated Monaghan from start to finish no question.
2. Cavanagh tried to decapitate a Monaghan player and then tried to proclaim his innocence for some unknown reason.
3. Monaghan (particularly Finlay when he came on) lost the run of themselves and should have had at least 2 men red carded.
4. Tyrone lay down like Children... Cavanagh (what? No he's not a diver)... The lad who got black carded who actually changed the angle of his run to collide with Hughes and tried ed to get him black carded... McCann (well covered and still no reasonable defence from the inbreds).
5. Trampish behaviour from McNabb digging McManus in the ribs and McMahon being generally a cnut throughout the game.
Anyway all we should be taking about is number 1 but Tyrone just can't do winning with grace. They were well on top in the game why the nonsense?? Also why does Saint Mickey Opus Dei I'm wile Holy Harte send his players out to do this shit? Its been going on for 12 years now how do hos hands continue to be kept clean with this nonsense he sends his players out to execute?
The blanket defence is one thing but sending your players out to sledge/dive/sly dig the opponent is not in the spirit of the game and while you can understand it when teams are getting beat well I find it hard to condone when your team is winning comfortably.
The only salvation is Tyrone are not at the Kerry/Dublin/Mayo level... Thank God!!!
Hmmm.
The reaction of the in-breds and the apple chompers is amusing.
What Finlay did was worse than anything that went on elsewhere.
Was it worse than McNabb having a sneaky dig into McManus' ribs??
Furthermore, the punch on Ritchie Donnelly that immediately preceded Tiarnan-gate has been airbrushed completely. In the videos of the hair grab Duffy was already running towards Hughes. We don't know if he was going to be issuing a card before he made contact with McCann.
Btw, I am in no way condoning McCann's actions here.
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 12:53:21 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2015, 12:48:11 AM
It's fairly clear lads ...
1. Tyrone dominated Monaghan from start to finish no question.
2. Cavanagh tried to decapitate a Monaghan player and then tried to proclaim his innocence for some unknown reason.
3. Monaghan (particularly Finlay when he came on) lost the run of themselves and should have had at least 2 men red carded.
4. Tyrone lay down like Children... Cavanagh (what? No he's not a diver)... The lad who got black carded who actually changed the angle of his run to collide with Hughes and tried ed to get him black carded... McCann (well covered and still no reasonable defence from the inbreds).
5. Trampish behaviour from McNabb digging McManus in the ribs and McMahon being generally a cnut throughout the game.
Anyway all we should be taking about is number 1 but Tyrone just can't do winning with grace. They were well on top in the game why the nonsense?? Also why does Saint Mickey Opus Dei I'm wile Holy Harte send his players out to do this shit? Its been going on for 12 years now how do hos hands continue to be kept clean with this nonsense he sends his players out to execute?
The blanket defence is one thing but sending your players out to sledge/dive/sly dig the opponent is not in the spirit of the game and while you can understand it when teams are getting beat well I find it hard to condone when your team is winning comfortably.
The only salvation is Tyrone are not at the Kerry/Dublin/Mayo level... Thank God!!!
Hmmm.
The reaction of the in-breds and the apple chompers is amusing.
What Finlay did was worse than anything that went on elsewhere.
ALL IS FORGIVEN THEN!
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2015, 12:48:11 AM
It's fairly clear lads ...
1. Tyrone dominated Monaghan from start to finish no question.
2. Cavanagh tried to decapitate a Monaghan player and then tried to proclaim his innocence for some unknown reason.
3. Monaghan (particularly Finlay when he came on) lost the run of themselves and should have had at least 2 men red carded.
4. Tyrone lay down like Children... Cavanagh (what? No he's not a diver)... The lad who got black carded who actually changed the angle of his run to collide with Hughes and tried ed to get him black carded... McCann (well covered and still no reasonable defence from the inbreds).
5. Trampish behaviour from McNabb digging McManus in the ribs and McMahon being generally a cnut throughout the game.
Anyway all we should be taking about is number 1 but Tyrone just can't do winning with grace. They were well on top in the game why the nonsense?? Also why does Saint Mickey Opus Dei I'm wile Holy Harte send his players out to do this shit? Its been going on for 12 years now how do hos hands continue to be kept clean with this nonsense he sends his players out to execute?
The blanket defence is one thing but sending your players out to sledge/dive/sly dig the opponent is not in the spirit of the game and while you can understand it when teams are getting beat well I find it hard to condone when your team is winning comfortably.
The only salvation is Tyrone are not at the Kerry/Dublin/Mayo level... Thank God!!!
It's been 20 years since Clones. Let it go man.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 09, 2015, 12:56:15 AM
Screenexile, point number 2 has been raised continuously all evening but surely this happens in every game that's ever been played i.e. the tackler trying to downplay his indiscretion? Is it any different than a soccer player trying to cod the ref into saying he played the ball first in a heavy challenge?
He's a seasoned experienced player... He blatantly caught the Monaghan player high why the need to constantly yap protesting his innocence?? 90% of players when they make a bad tackle hold their hand up Cavanagh consistently does himself no favours!!
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2015, 12:58:54 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 12:53:21 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2015, 12:48:11 AM
It's fairly clear lads ...
1. Tyrone dominated Monaghan from start to finish no question.
2. Cavanagh tried to decapitate a Monaghan player and then tried to proclaim his innocence for some unknown reason.
3. Monaghan (particularly Finlay when he came on) lost the run of themselves and should have had at least 2 men red carded.
4. Tyrone lay down like Children... Cavanagh (what? No he's not a diver)... The lad who got black carded who actually changed the angle of his run to collide with Hughes and tried ed to get him black carded... McCann (well covered and still no reasonable defence from the inbreds).
5. Trampish behaviour from McNabb digging McManus in the ribs and McMahon being generally a cnut throughout the game.
Anyway all we should be taking about is number 1 but Tyrone just can't do winning with grace. They were well on top in the game why the nonsense?? Also why does Saint Mickey Opus Dei I'm wile Holy Harte send his players out to do this shit? Its been going on for 12 years now how do hos hands continue to be kept clean with this nonsense he sends his players out to execute?
The blanket defence is one thing but sending your players out to sledge/dive/sly dig the opponent is not in the spirit of the game and while you can understand it when teams are getting beat well I find it hard to condone when your team is winning comfortably.
The only salvation is Tyrone are not at the Kerry/Dublin/Mayo level... Thank God!!!
Hmmm.
The reaction of the in-breds and the apple chompers is amusing.
What Finlay did was worse than anything that went on elsewhere.
Was it worse than McNabb having a sneaky dig into McManus' ribs??
Face v Ribs?
Screen, it was McNamee that gave the dig in the ribs. Finlay slid in and boxed Cavanagh on the back on the skull, equal if not worse IMO.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 09, 2015, 01:01:26 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2015, 12:48:11 AM
It's fairly clear lads ...
1. Tyrone dominated Monaghan from start to finish no question.
2. Cavanagh tried to decapitate a Monaghan player and then tried to proclaim his innocence for some unknown reason.
3. Monaghan (particularly Finlay when he came on) lost the run of themselves and should have had at least 2 men red carded.
4. Tyrone lay down like Children... Cavanagh (what? No he's not a diver)... The lad who got black carded who actually changed the angle of his run to collide with Hughes and tried ed to get him black carded... McCann (well covered and still no reasonable defence from the inbreds).
5. Trampish behaviour from McNabb digging McManus in the ribs and McMahon being generally a cnut throughout the game.
Anyway all we should be taking about is number 1 but Tyrone just can't do winning with grace. They were well on top in the game why the nonsense?? Also why does Saint Mickey Opus Dei I'm wile Holy Harte send his players out to do this shit? Its been going on for 12 years now how do hos hands continue to be kept clean with this nonsense he sends his players out to execute?
The blanket defence is one thing but sending your players out to sledge/dive/sly dig the opponent is not in the spirit of the game and while you can understand it when teams are getting beat well I find it hard to condone when your team is winning comfortably.
The only salvation is Tyrone are not at the Kerry/Dublin/Mayo level... Thank God!!!
It's been 20 years since Clones. Let it go man.
Holy f**k it is too. . . That's as balanced as I can be. I've yet to witness anyone poke a hole in anything I've stated.
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 12:53:21 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2015, 12:48:11 AM
It's fairly clear lads ...
1. Tyrone dominated Monaghan from start to finish no question.
2. Cavanagh tried to decapitate a Monaghan player and then tried to proclaim his innocence for some unknown reason.
3. Monaghan (particularly Finlay when he came on) lost the run of themselves and should have had at least 2 men red carded.
4. Tyrone lay down like Children... Cavanagh (what? No he's not a diver)... The lad who got black carded who actually changed the angle of his run to collide with Hughes and tried ed to get him black carded... McCann (well covered and still no reasonable defence from the inbreds).
5. Trampish behaviour from McNabb digging McManus in the ribs and McMahon being generally a cnut throughout the game.
Anyway all we should be taking about is number 1 but Tyrone just can't do winning with grace. They were well on top in the game why the nonsense?? Also why does Saint Mickey Opus Dei I'm wile Holy Harte send his players out to do this shit? Its been going on for 12 years now how do hos hands continue to be kept clean with this nonsense he sends his players out to execute?
The blanket defence is one thing but sending your players out to sledge/dive/sly dig the opponent is not in the spirit of the game and while you can understand it when teams are getting beat well I find it hard to condone when your team is winning comfortably.
The only salvation is Tyrone are not at the Kerry/Dublin/Mayo level... Thank God!!!
Hmmm.
The reaction of the in-breds and the apple chompers is amusing.
What Finlay did was worse than anything that went on elsewhere.
I just shake my head at times at how a system can throw out so many good players who are better skilled then 99% of the country and also teach them to be blackguards in the same fashion.
It's too well orchestrated and too common for it to be anything else.
Mickey Harte must watch the the 97 semi final versus Meath every weekend after Mass.
I know some Tyrone fans who hate it and then there is the rest who instantly go on the defence and bring up the usual rubbish about soccer and other teams. Forget them you're responsible for your own team.
Mc Nabb has replaced Gormley as the Undertaker in the Tyrone defence. Sean Cavanagh hit the ground so often today he must be in training for a Tough mudder Run.
Rory Beggan will shake his head tomorrow, Paul Finlay just look at MMA for a few years and Mc Cann - well regardless of whatever he achieves in his football career he'll have toe deal with sniper jokes for the rest of his life
For 60 minutes it promised a lot. The last 20 was a disgrace.
Explain what McMahon did that was so ghastly?
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 09, 2015, 01:03:43 AM
Screen, it was McNamee that gave the dig in the ribs. Finlay slid in and boxed Cavanagh on the back on the skull, equal if not worse IMO.
Fair enough you're probably right. One played well and one was a w**ker the whole match.
A dirty slap is a dirty slap in my opinion I don't see why we are splitting hairs here. Both are red cards if seen. The ref clearly bottled the McNamee incident as it was clearly seen the umpire motioned a striking action for the 'tackle' on McManus.
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 01:07:10 AM
Explain what McMahon did that was so ghastly?
Constantly mouthing and sly digs for most of the game.. I only saw what was on camera so I can fairly assume there was much more going on when the ball wasn't in the Tyrone half!
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 01:06:33 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 12:53:21 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2015, 12:48:11 AM
It's fairly clear lads ...
1. Tyrone dominated Monaghan from start to finish no question.
2. Cavanagh tried to decapitate a Monaghan player and then tried to proclaim his innocence for some unknown reason.
3. Monaghan (particularly Finlay when he came on) lost the run of themselves and should have had at least 2 men red carded.
4. Tyrone lay down like Children... Cavanagh (what? No he's not a diver)... The lad who got black carded who actually changed the angle of his run to collide with Hughes and tried ed to get him black carded... McCann (well covered and still no reasonable defence from the inbreds).
5. Trampish behaviour from McNabb digging McManus in the ribs and McMahon being generally a cnut throughout the game.
Anyway all we should be taking about is number 1 but Tyrone just can't do winning with grace. They were well on top in the game why the nonsense?? Also why does Saint Mickey Opus Dei I'm wile Holy Harte send his players out to do this shit? Its been going on for 12 years now how do hos hands continue to be kept clean with this nonsense he sends his players out to execute?
The blanket defence is one thing but sending your players out to sledge/dive/sly dig the opponent is not in the spirit of the game and while you can understand it when teams are getting beat well I find it hard to condone when your team is winning comfortably.
The only salvation is Tyrone are not at the Kerry/Dublin/Mayo level... Thank God!!!
Hmmm.
The reaction of the in-breds and the apple chompers is amusing.
What Finlay did was worse than anything that went on elsewhere.
I just shake my head at times at how a system can throw out so many good players who are better skilled then 99% of the country and also teach them to be blackguards in the same fashion.
It's too well orchestrated and too common for it to be anything else.
Mickey Harte must watch the the 97 semi final versus Meath every weekend after Mass.
I know some Tyrone fans who hate it and then there is the rest who instantly go on the defence and bring up the usual rubbish about soccer and other teams. Forget them you're responsible for your own team.
Mc Nabb has replaced Gormley as the Undertaker in the Tyrone defence. Sean Cavanagh hit the ground so often today he must be in training for a Tough mudder Run.
Rory Beggan will shake his head tomorrow, Paul Finlay just look at MMA for a few years and Mc Cann - well regardless of whatever he achieves in his football career he'll have toe deal with sniper jokes for the rest of his life
For 60 minutes it promised a lot. The last 20 was a disgrace.
Too many inaccuracies there it's hard to know where to start.
1st sentence makes no sense.
3rd - 1996?
4th - wtf?
5th - eh?
...you get the gist.
Put the bottle down, Indiana.
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2015, 01:11:12 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 01:07:10 AM
Explain what McMahon did that was so ghastly?
Constantly mouthing and sly digs for most of the game.. I only saw what was on camera so I can fairly assume there was much more going on when the ball wasn't in the Tyrone half!
Who did he give a 'sly dig' to?
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 01:12:36 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2015, 01:11:12 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 01:07:10 AM
Explain what McMahon did that was so ghastly?
Constantly mouthing and sly digs for most of the game.. I only saw what was on camera so I can fairly assume there was much more going on when the ball wasn't in the Tyrone half!
Who did he give a 'sly dig' to?
Ah come on now O'Neill he was constantly in Monaghan players faces any time they coughed up the ball or were penalised in the Tyrone defence!!
Gollogly early on was a start. I'll have a few more for you after the SG tomorrow!
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 01:06:33 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 12:53:21 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2015, 12:48:11 AM
It's fairly clear lads ...
1. Tyrone dominated Monaghan from start to finish no question.
2. Cavanagh tried to decapitate a Monaghan player and then tried to proclaim his innocence for some unknown reason.
3. Monaghan (particularly Finlay when he came on) lost the run of themselves and should have had at least 2 men red carded.
4. Tyrone lay down like Children... Cavanagh (what? No he's not a diver)... The lad who got black carded who actually changed the angle of his run to collide with Hughes and tried ed to get him black carded... McCann (well covered and still no reasonable defence from the inbreds).
5. Trampish behaviour from McNabb digging McManus in the ribs and McMahon being generally a cnut throughout the game.
Anyway all we should be taking about is number 1 but Tyrone just can't do winning with grace. They were well on top in the game why the nonsense?? Also why does Saint Mickey Opus Dei I'm wile Holy Harte send his players out to do this shit? Its been going on for 12 years now how do hos hands continue to be kept clean with this nonsense he sends his players out to execute?
The blanket defence is one thing but sending your players out to sledge/dive/sly dig the opponent is not in the spirit of the game and while you can understand it when teams are getting beat well I find it hard to condone when your team is winning comfortably.
The only salvation is Tyrone are not at the Kerry/Dublin/Mayo level... Thank God!!!
Hmmm.
The reaction of the in-breds and the apple chompers is amusing.
What Finlay did was worse than anything that went on elsewhere.
I just shake my head at times at how a system can throw out so many good players who are better skilled then 99% of the country and also teach them to be blackguards in the same fashion.
It's too well orchestrated and too common for it to be anything else.
Mickey Harte must watch the the 97 semi final versus Meath every weekend after Mass.
I know some Tyrone fans who hate it and then there is the rest who instantly go on the defence and bring up the usual rubbish about soccer and other teams. Forget them you're responsible for your own team.
Mc Nabb has replaced Gormley as the Undertaker in the Tyrone defence. Sean Cavanagh hit the ground so often today he must be in training for a Tough mudder Run.
Rory Beggan will shake his head tomorrow, Paul Finlay just look at MMA for a few years and Mc Cann - well regardless of whatever he achieves in his football career he'll have toe deal with sniper jokes for the rest of his life
For 60 minutes it promised a lot. The last 20 was a disgrace.
What do you think of spitting? Do you think that's a disgrace?
He wasn't on the field early on.
Ah come on now O'Neill he was constantly in Monaghan players faces any time they coughed up the ball
It showed this, off the ball, on TV, constantly?
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 01:11:32 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 01:06:33 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 12:53:21 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2015, 12:48:11 AM
It's fairly clear lads ...
1. Tyrone dominated Monaghan from start to finish no question.
2. Cavanagh tried to decapitate a Monaghan player and then tried to proclaim his innocence for some unknown reason.
3. Monaghan (particularly Finlay when he came on) lost the run of themselves and should have had at least 2 men red carded.
4. Tyrone lay down like Children... Cavanagh (what? No he's not a diver)... The lad who got black carded who actually changed the angle of his run to collide with Hughes and tried ed to get him black carded... McCann (well covered and still no reasonable defence from the inbreds).
5. Trampish behaviour from McNabb digging McManus in the ribs and McMahon being generally a cnut throughout the game.
Anyway all we should be taking about is number 1 but Tyrone just can't do winning with grace. They were well on top in the game why the nonsense?? Also why does Saint Mickey Opus Dei I'm wile Holy Harte send his players out to do this shit? Its been going on for 12 years now how do hos hands continue to be kept clean with this nonsense he sends his players out to execute?
The blanket defence is one thing but sending your players out to sledge/dive/sly dig the opponent is not in the spirit of the game and while you can understand it when teams are getting beat well I find it hard to condone when your team is winning comfortably.
The only salvation is Tyrone are not at the Kerry/Dublin/Mayo level... Thank God!!!
Hmmm.
The reaction of the in-breds and the apple chompers is amusing.
What Finlay did was worse than anything that went on elsewhere.
I just shake my head at times at how a system can throw out so many good players who are better skilled then 99% of the country and also teach them to be blackguards in the same fashion.
It's too well orchestrated and too common for it to be anything else.
Mickey Harte must watch the the 97 semi final versus Meath every weekend after Mass.
I know some Tyrone fans who hate it and then there is the rest who instantly go on the defence and bring up the usual rubbish about soccer and other teams. Forget them you're responsible for your own team.
Mc Nabb has replaced Gormley as the Undertaker in the Tyrone defence. Sean Cavanagh hit the ground so often today he must be in training for a Tough mudder Run.
Rory Beggan will shake his head tomorrow, Paul Finlay just look at MMA for a few years and Mc Cann - well regardless of whatever he achieves in his football career he'll have toe deal with sniper jokes for the rest of his life
For 60 minutes it promised a lot. The last 20 was a disgrace.
Too many inaccuracies there it's hard to know where to start.
1st sentence makes no sense.
3rd - 1996?
4th - wtf?
5th - eh?
...you get the gist.
Put the bottle down, Indiana.
I don't drink I'm afraid. Only one inaccuracy 1996.
Your development system coaches this behaviour into players. Anyone who has played you at underage level will attest to this.
Awful pity when you've so many good players
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 01:19:17 AM
He wasn't on the field early on.
Ah come on now O'Neill he was constantly in Monaghan players faces any time they coughed up the ball
It showed this, off the ball, on TV?
I watched the game I know he came on for his brother. Gollogly put in a hard hit in the first half and McMahon was throwing his weight about.
Did I mention off the ball?? I'm.pretty sure the camera follows when a player is tackled and turned over or is penalised for overcarrying!
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2015, 01:22:49 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 01:19:17 AM
He wasn't on the field early on.
Ah come on now O'Neill he was constantly in Monaghan players faces any time they coughed up the ball
It showed this, off the ball, on TV?
I watched the game I know he came on for his brother. Gollogly put in a hard hit in the first half and McMahon was throwing his weight about.
Did I mention off the ball?? I'm.pretty sure the camera follows when a player is tackled and turned over or is penalised for overcarrying!
Not really getting any examples of anything here.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 01:21:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 01:11:32 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 01:06:33 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 12:53:21 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2015, 12:48:11 AM
It's fairly clear lads ...
1. Tyrone dominated Monaghan from start to finish no question.
2. Cavanagh tried to decapitate a Monaghan player and then tried to proclaim his innocence for some unknown reason.
3. Monaghan (particularly Finlay when he came on) lost the run of themselves and should have had at least 2 men red carded.
4. Tyrone lay down like Children... Cavanagh (what? No he's not a diver)... The lad who got black carded who actually changed the angle of his run to collide with Hughes and tried ed to get him black carded... McCann (well covered and still no reasonable defence from the inbreds).
5. Trampish behaviour from McNabb digging McManus in the ribs and McMahon being generally a cnut throughout the game.
Anyway all we should be taking about is number 1 but Tyrone just can't do winning with grace. They were well on top in the game why the nonsense?? Also why does Saint Mickey Opus Dei I'm wile Holy Harte send his players out to do this shit? Its been going on for 12 years now how do hos hands continue to be kept clean with this nonsense he sends his players out to execute?
The blanket defence is one thing but sending your players out to sledge/dive/sly dig the opponent is not in the spirit of the game and while you can understand it when teams are getting beat well I find it hard to condone when your team is winning comfortably.
The only salvation is Tyrone are not at the Kerry/Dublin/Mayo level... Thank God!!!
Hmmm.
The reaction of the in-breds and the apple chompers is amusing.
What Finlay did was worse than anything that went on elsewhere.
I just shake my head at times at how a system can throw out so many good players who are better skilled then 99% of the country and also teach them to be blackguards in the same fashion.
It's too well orchestrated and too common for it to be anything else.
Mickey Harte must watch the the 97 semi final versus Meath every weekend after Mass.
I know some Tyrone fans who hate it and then there is the rest who instantly go on the defence and bring up the usual rubbish about soccer and other teams. Forget them you're responsible for your own team.
Mc Nabb has replaced Gormley as the Undertaker in the Tyrone defence. Sean Cavanagh hit the ground so often today he must be in training for a Tough mudder Run.
Rory Beggan will shake his head tomorrow, Paul Finlay just look at MMA for a few years and Mc Cann - well regardless of whatever he achieves in his football career he'll have toe deal with sniper jokes for the rest of his life
For 60 minutes it promised a lot. The last 20 was a disgrace.
Too many inaccuracies there it's hard to know where to start.
1st sentence makes no sense.
3rd - 1996?
4th - wtf?
5th - eh?
...you get the gist.
Put the bottle down, Indiana.
I don't drink I'm afraid. Only one inaccuracy 1996.
Your development system coaches this behaviour into players. Anyone who has played you at underage level will attest to this.
Awful pity when you've so many good players
This is good stuff....explain what the Tyrone 'development system' coaches? This'll be good.
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2015, 01:22:49 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 01:19:17 AM
He wasn't on the field early on.
Ah come on now O'Neill he was constantly in Monaghan players faces any time they coughed up the ball
It showed this, off the ball, on TV?
I watched the game I know he came on for his brother. Gollogly put in a hard hit in the first half and McMahon was throwing his weight about.
Did I mention off the ball?? I'm.pretty sure the camera follows when a player is tackled and turned over or is penalised for overcarrying!
was that the brutal flying tackle on Meyler. McMahon was appalled at this a quite rightly so.
McMahon did seem to be doing some serious slabbering on Tv, nearly a re-run of his brother at halftime in the Donegal game
Just back in from a few celebratory beverages after Tyrone's fantastic performance today. Not surprised to see the normal media-inspired abuse against Tyrone from mindless idiots who can't come up with an opinion for themselves. Noticeable too how much of the outcry comes from the keyboard warriors during the game I.e. are obviously not at the game themselves - these great Gaels streaming the game on their laptops whilst simultaneously spouting vitriol against Harte & his team really are the lifeblood of the association...
Anyway, Kerry next. All u haters can console yourselves with the thought that they will put Tyrone in their place - just like all the pundits predicted Monaghan would do today!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 09, 2015, 02:02:38 AM
McMahon did seem to be doing some serious slabbering on Tv, nearly a re-run of his brother at halftime in the Donegal game
Serious slabbering? What was he saying or who to? How many times did you see this 'serious slabbering'?
Sean Cav at the beginning of the year was so concerned about sledging and mental health of players. Seemed to be mouthing at McManus a few times. Would love to know what he was saying. McManus took exception to it so I guess it wasn't chitchat.
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 02:06:25 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 09, 2015, 02:02:38 AM
McMahon did seem to be doing some serious slabbering on Tv, nearly a re-run of his brother at halftime in the Donegal game
Serious slabbering? What was he saying or who to? How many times did you see this 'serious slabbering'?
Sky had a player cam on him. It was only available to houses with Sky in the Sperrins though
Can't condone McCann's actions. I've said since the days of Aidan O'Mahoneys dive v Cork it should carry a 1 match ban applied retrospectively. T'is the only way to address it.
Think there's a lot of hysteria about the rest of the game. Meath took out our talisman and team leader in 96 before trying a frontal lobotomy on Brian Dooher. They're remembered as a good hard team from a golden era from the rose-tinted brigade. The ending to today's game which ended in farce had a lot to do with the terrible refereeing of Duffy. f**k the match would have stood a better chance from the likes of Pat McEnaney or even god forbid Paddy Russell. The standard of refereeing today is f**king shambolic, Padraic Hughes, the Duffy's (because one wasn't enough) and Joe McQuillan represent the fresh-faced bullshit from modern HQ on how to be a ref, ie, pointless f**king box-tickers. The match had all the hallmarks of a ref who'd lost the respect of the players and hence the closing anarchy. Having handed out some very soft frees early to McAliskey, Cavanagh and McCrory he then turned his attention to screwing Tyrone instead of Monaghan by black carding Meyler. Several potential black cards for Tyrone were then overlooked off the back of this shitty call.
Cavanagh was very pumped for this game and put in a savage performance but was too highly strung. His yellow card had been coming and following it, Harte put him into FF where he couldn't rush in so rashly again. McNamee too became increasingly frustrated and aggressive towards the end of the game and many managers would have recognised as a player starting to lose the head and called him ashore. But Monaghan players too, most notably Finlay and Hughes crossed the line as regards their conduct. However, much to the ire of the players on the pitch, Duffy carried out no serious punishment for any of the indiscipline which in turn creates a scenario where players feel the need to meat out their out retribution.
I can't lay all the blame at Duffy's door. Finlay, Hughes, Cavanagh and McNamee were all over involved in the indiscipline and some or all of them could have seen the line but Duffy made matters much, much worse. By pedantically punishing minor indiscretions or wronging penalising the innocent and then fcking ignoring the incidents he should have controlled he lost control of the players around him.
Donnelly was excellent. McCann was a f**king terrible substitution, near cost us the match. Brennan was the man to take up Meyler's role, they're very similar, failing that McNulty could've been trusted with it. McCurry is a top forward, very reliable and consistent, McAliskey isn't as much but tries hard to be fair to him. Never seen Colm as a sweeper but f**k he can do it well enough. Bradley was very quiet after a busy 4 weeks. McNamee bar his moments of madness, managed McManus well. McNabb is a safe pair of hands too. McCrory is an enigma now, no longer a man-marker can he really play a box to box strategy? Morgan was excellent too and his awareness and quality of kickouts is a major factor in our success. Arguably a poorer stopper and weaker under the high ball than O'Neill but his quality with ball in hand or off the deck is priceless.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 09, 2015, 02:16:09 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 02:06:25 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 09, 2015, 02:02:38 AM
McMahon did seem to be doing some serious slabbering on Tv, nearly a re-run of his brother at halftime in the Donegal game
Serious slabbering? What was he saying or who to? How many times did you see this 'serious slabbering'?
Sky had a player cam on him. It was only available to houses with Sky in the Sperrins though
Could they not have shown it elsewhere with edited subtitles?
Quote from: stew on August 08, 2015, 11:13:30 PM
In all of the shite going what is getting lost is that Tyrone are capable of taking some sublime scores.
Thanks to a couple of Tyrone posters who actually have the balls to call it how it is I have renewed faith in the fact that not all Tyrone supporters are apologist arseholes.
I still hope however that Kerry put manners on the f**kers! I will pray fervently that the Gooch hands the hoors their arse at the end, Tyrone are the single most hateful team the GAA has ever seen.
Armagh, the new moral guardians of the game...and look where's it got you, not seen inside Croke Park on AI semi final day since 2005.
https://www.facebook.com/BELFASTLAD
bad sign when it makes LAD on facebook lol
Wile lot of bitterness on this thread.....at the end of the day Tyrone won by a country mile.
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 01:30:36 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 01:21:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 01:11:32 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 01:06:33 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 12:53:21 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2015, 12:48:11 AM
It's fairly clear lads ...
1. Tyrone dominated Monaghan from start to finish no question.
2. Cavanagh tried to decapitate a Monaghan player and then tried to proclaim his innocence for some unknown reason.
3. Monaghan (particularly Finlay when he came on) lost the run of themselves and should have had at least 2 men red carded.
4. Tyrone lay down like Children... Cavanagh (what? No he's not a diver)... The lad who got black carded who actually changed the angle of his run to collide with Hughes and tried ed to get him black carded... McCann (well covered and still no reasonable defence from the inbreds).
5. Trampish behaviour from McNabb digging McManus in the ribs and McMahon being generally a cnut throughout the game.
Anyway all we should be taking about is number 1 but Tyrone just can't do winning with grace. They were well on top in the game why the nonsense?? Also why does Saint Mickey Opus Dei I'm wile Holy Harte send his players out to do this shit? Its been going on for 12 years now how do hos hands continue to be kept clean with this nonsense he sends his players out to execute?
The blanket defence is one thing but sending your players out to sledge/dive/sly dig the opponent is not in the spirit of the game and while you can understand it when teams are getting beat well I find it hard to condone when your team is winning comfortably.
The only salvation is Tyrone are not at the Kerry/Dublin/Mayo level... Thank God!!!
Hmmm.
The reaction of the in-breds and the apple chompers is amusing.
What Finlay did was worse than anything that went on elsewhere.
I just shake my head at times at how a system can throw out so many good players who are better skilled then 99% of the country and also teach them to be blackguards in the same fashion.
It's too well orchestrated and too common for it to be anything else.
Mickey Harte must watch the the 97 semi final versus Meath every weekend after Mass.
I know some Tyrone fans who hate it and then there is the rest who instantly go on the defence and bring up the usual rubbish about soccer and other teams. Forget them you're responsible for your own team.
Mc Nabb has replaced Gormley as the Undertaker in the Tyrone defence. Sean Cavanagh hit the ground so often today he must be in training for a Tough mudder Run.
Rory Beggan will shake his head tomorrow, Paul Finlay just look at MMA for a few years and Mc Cann - well regardless of whatever he achieves in his football career he'll have toe deal with sniper jokes for the rest of his life
For 60 minutes it promised a lot. The last 20 was a disgrace.
Too many inaccuracies there it's hard to know where to start.
1st sentence makes no sense.
3rd - 1996?
4th - wtf?
5th - eh?
...you get the gist.
Put the bottle down, Indiana.
I don't drink I'm afraid. Only one inaccuracy 1996.
Your development system coaches this behaviour into players. Anyone who has played you at underage level will attest to this.
Awful pity when you've so many good players
This is good stuff....explain what the Tyrone 'development system' coaches? This'll be good.
Been through this b4 with these exact same posters after our glorious U21 final victory. It turned out that there is not the slightest bit of evidence for thinking this and it all boils down to their insightful intuition.
You should actually be thanking him for making us aware of it and not questioning where or how he dreamed the idea up.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on August 08, 2015, 12:27:54 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 08, 2015, 03:41:31 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2015, 12:28:15 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 08, 2015, 12:26:22 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on August 08, 2015, 12:03:58 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2015, 11:49:13 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2015, 11:08:39 PM
I think Tyrone will live with Monaghan for 60 mins. A late salvo sees Monaghan through to their first semi since '88.
1-13 to 0-12
So for the record was that against Cork?
Was there something about an incident where Nudie Hughes got taken out resulting in a nice shinner and Cork getting a goal from it to put Monaghan away?
Larry Tompkins took Brendan Murray out of it, breaking his jaw in the process. There has been burning effigies of Larry (fuelled by washed diesel) on every drumlin on the anniversary of the event ever since.
Ah yes, old Brendan, funny he is famous in Tyrone for something else that happened that year! I was trying to remember why I didn't have more sympathy for Monaghan at the the time, now I know!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC7EAlE82u0
I was more thinkin of this
https://youtu.be/a0iR1mIRm-Q?t=2000
But was that him? He
no.4 in the Cork match and no.5 in the Tyrone match?
4 = Brendan Murray (Clones)
5= Bernie Murray (Scotstown)
No relation.
Ahhhhh..... thank you for clearing that up!
Good Job I didnt meet Brendan in the interim and say Thomkins done ye but ye deserved it for what ye done to our angelic Mr McGinn!
Hard to luck today BTW
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2015, 01:11:12 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 01:07:10 AM
Explain what McMahon did that was so ghastly?
Constantly mouthing and sly digs for most of the game.. I only saw what was on camera so I can fairly assume there was much more going on when the ball wasn't in the Tyrone half!
Hate this kind of post. There was mouthing and pushing between all players throughout the game. Cathal McCarron especially received dogs abuse for the entirety of the match - not to mention the homophobic chants coming from Monaghan supporters in the Hill.
The way I see it is Duffy allowed the match to boil over into the last 10 mins.... seven if which were ET (never seen 7 mins awarded in my life). McCann was absolutely silly but it belies his inexperience and the fraying of tempers from all sides at the end of the game. Monaghan were no angels and the repeated suggestion that Tyrone are the only county who close down a game is so lazy it's boring.
Regarding the actual game, I thought we outclassed Monaghan in every way. I didn't think we had it in us to play such intelligent weaving interesting football and the team celebrations at the end show how Harte has created a unit. Tyrone's game plan is smart and fast. I would have no fear of Kerry whatsoever and I'd say the team are confident they can give them at the very least a good rattle.
Quote from: outside-the-wire on August 09, 2015, 02:15:57 AM
Sean Cav at the beginning of the year was so concerned about sledging and mental health of players. Seemed to be mouthing at McManus a few times. Would love to know what he was saying. McManus took exception to it so I guess it wasn't chitchat.
it's not big Sean's fault if McManus has no discipline.
Quote from: sensethetone on August 09, 2015, 08:52:43 AM
Quote from: outside-the-wire on August 09, 2015, 02:15:57 AM
Sean Cav at the beginning of the year was so concerned about sledging and mental health of players. Seemed to be mouthing at McManus a few times. Would love to know what he was saying. McManus took exception to it so I guess it wasn't chitchat.
it's not big Sean's fault if McManus has no discipline.
But you'd want to buy him a pair of boots that stops him falling on the ground the whole time .
Quote from: trileacman on August 09, 2015, 02:20:36 AM
Can't condone McCann's actions. I've said since the days of Aidan O'Mahoneys dive v Cork it should carry a 1 match ban applied retrospectively. T'is the only way to address it.
Think there's a lot of hysteria about the rest of the game. Meath took out our talisman and team leader in 96 before trying a frontal lobotomy on Brian Dooher. They're remembered as a good hard team from a golden era from the rose-tinted brigade. The ending to today's game which ended in farce had a lot to do with the terrible refereeing of Duffy. f**k the match would have stood a better chance from the likes of Pat McEnaney or even god forbid Paddy Russell. The standard of refereeing today is f**king shambolic, Padraic Hughes, the Duffy's (because one wasn't enough) and Joe McQuillan represent the fresh-faced bullshit from modern HQ on how to be a ref, ie, pointless f**king box-tickers. The match had all the hallmarks of a ref who'd lost the respect of the players and hence the closing anarchy. Having handed out some very soft frees early to McAliskey, Cavanagh and McCrory he then turned his attention to screwing Tyrone instead of Monaghan by black carding Meyler. Several potential black cards for Tyrone were then overlooked off the back of this shitty call.
Cavanagh was very pumped for this game and put in a savage performance but was too highly strung. His yellow card had been coming and following it, Harte put him into FF where he couldn't rush in so rashly again. McNamee too became increasingly frustrated and aggressive towards the end of the game and many managers would have recognised as a player starting to lose the head and called him ashore. But Monaghan players too, most notably Finlay and Hughes crossed the line as regards their conduct. However, much to the ire of the players on the pitch, Duffy carried out no serious punishment for any of the indiscipline which in turn creates a scenario where players feel the need to meat out their out retribution.
I can't lay all the blame at Duffy's door. Finlay, Hughes, Cavanagh and McNamee were all over involved in the indiscipline and some or all of them could have seen the line but Duffy made matters much, much worse. By pedantically punishing minor indiscretions or wronging penalising the innocent and then fcking ignoring the incidents he should have controlled he lost control of the players around him.
Donnelly was excellent. McCann was a f**king terrible substitution, near cost us the match. Brennan was the man to take up Meyler's role, they're very similar, failing that McNulty could've been trusted with it. McCurry is a top forward, very reliable and consistent, McAliskey isn't as much but tries hard to be fair to him. Never seen Colm as a sweeper but f**k he can do it well enough. Bradley was very quiet after a busy 4 weeks. McNamee bar his moments of madness, managed McManus well. McNabb is a safe pair of hands too. McCrory is an enigma now, no longer a man-marker can he really play a box to box strategy? Morgan was excellent too and his awareness and quality of kickouts is a major factor in our success. Arguably a poorer stopper and weaker under the high ball than O'Neill but his quality with ball in hand or off the deck is priceless.
In the midst of all the hysteria, a well balanced analysis of the game! Well done sir!
Brolly with a brilliant article in today's Indo, why could this game not have been on RTE last night as Tyrone got off light.
Delighted with the win yesterday and I thought Tyrone took some great scores,defended well and were well worthy of the win.But I must say I was very disappointed with Tiernan McCann's actions.He deserves every bit of stick he's getting and is going to get.There were plenty of unsavoury actions from both sides yesterday.Rory Beggan went down holding his face in injury time but made a miraculous recovery within seconds.McAliskey did exactly the same thing also.One of the Derry boys highlighted Justin McMahon's mouthing but Kieran Hughes was having plenty to say for himself as well as acting the maggot all day.At one stage in the 1st half right in front of me I watched Dessie Mone rake his studs down on Mark Bradley's heel. McCarron had plenty to listen to as well.I am in no way condoning the actions of some Tyrone players.I have a young lad playing football myself and if I saw him doing what McCann did I'd go out on the field myself and take him off.But I'd just say again that both teams were at it yesterday though you wouldn't think it when reading this thread.
Ziggy doing a sterling job this morning locking needless threads.
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It's fairly clear lads ...
1. Tyrone dominated Monaghan from start to finish no question.
2. Cavanagh tried to decapitate a Monaghan player and then tried to proclaim his innocence for some unknown reason.
3. Monaghan (particularly Finlay when he came on) lost the run of themselves and should have had at least 2 men red carded.
4. Tyrone lay down like Children... Cavanagh (what? No he's not a diver)... The lad who got black carded who actually changed the angle of his run to collide with Hughes and tried ed to get him black carded... McCann (well covered and still no reasonable defence from the inbreds).
5. Trampish behaviour from McNabb digging McManus in the ribs and McMahon being generally a cnut throughout the game.
Anyway all we should be taking about is number 1 but Tyrone just can't do winning with grace. They were well on top in the game why the nonsense?? Also why does Saint Mickey Opus Dei I'm wile Holy Harte send his players out to do this shit? Its been going on for 12 years now how do hos hands continue to be kept clean with this nonsense he sends his players out to execute?
The blanket defence is one thing but sending your players out to sledge/dive/sly dig the opponent is not in the spirit of the game and while you can understand it when teams are getting beat well I find it hard to condone when your team is winning comfortably.
The only salvation is Tyrone are not at the Kerry/Dublin/Mayo level... Thank God!!!
Hmmm.
The reaction of the in-breds and the apple chompers is amusing.
What Finlay did was worse than anything that went on elsewhere.
Was it worse than McNabb having a sneaky dig into McManus' ribs??
These days the standards of what's worse? eg simulating hurt to get a player red carded. And opposition get goaded into indisciplined retaliation. Why else did Finlay get involved? it's most always just Tyrone this type of stuff happens , Finlay's discipline is generally exemplary in games against every other team. He has a highly respected reputation.
And as for Sean Cavanagh, a brilliant player out there yesterday but it was asked previously why the selective ire for him.
It's because he revels in the worst aspects of cynical gamesmanship, it's a chronic ailment with him. And it stands out like a sore thumb when it's the most influential player in Ulster doing it. Without all that crap, he would be an inspiration for all who enjoy/play the game but with it, he's a malignant example. If it was an average player rolling around after a pat on the back, nobody would care that much, but it's depressing when the captain of the team and brilliant player is doing it.
Regardless of everyone's views on Sean Cavanagh, he took more than a pat on the back yesterday.
Quote from: Club Rossa on August 09, 2015, 09:30:55 AM
Delighted with the win yesterday and I thought Tyrone took some great scores,defended well and were well worthy of the win.But I must say I was very disappointed with Tiernan McCann's actions.He deserves every bit of stick he's getting and is going to get.There were plenty of unsavoury actions from both sides yesterday.Rory Beggan went down holding his face in injury time but made a miraculous recovery within seconds.McAliskey did exactly the same thing also.One of the Derry boys highlighted Justin McMahon's mouthing but Kieran Hughes was having plenty to say for himself as well as acting the maggot all day.At one stage in the 1st half right in front of me I watched Dessie Mone rake his studs down on Mark Bradley's heel. McCarron had plenty to listen to as well.I am in no way condoning the actions of some Tyrone players.I have a young lad playing football myself and if I saw him doing what McCann did I'd go out on the field myself and take him off.But I'd just say again that both teams were at it yesterday though you wouldn't think it when reading this thread.
One thing you would wonder is whether something was said to McCann during the hair rubbing incident, something personal perhaps. His dive was shocking but perhaps there were two sides to the story. It's depressing watching Tyrone, Monaghan and Armagh play- always at this shite. There will come a day when parents stop bringing their kids to matches if this stuff is allowed continue
Couldnt be bothered reading through this thread...glorious Sunday morning and yes back in an all Ireland semifinal. Great performance by Tyrone yesterday. Was disappointed in.some.of.the monaghan off the ball stuff combined with refereeeing standards that lead to a discipline breakdown and some silliness in the last 10. That's enough on that though.
Most importantly I'm sure there's men throughout the land who are raging that a little feared Tyrone team could go so far. I Don't give them much chance against kerry but fair.play to them..I'd have loved to be playing the dubs as we would beat them at the moment.
Quote from: general_lee on August 08, 2015, 11:40:25 PM
Also forget to mention Tyrone fans. Again you lot are complete pukes. Every decision against Tyrone, no matter how blatantly obvious was the ref being a cheating bastid! Still yapping about decisions with the game won! Mayo fans just as bad, applauding wides and yellow cards and cheering every Donegal mistake! Again the game won and over with 25 mins to go!
We fed have more than our share. It is the lack of knowledge annoys me. Roaring black card ref at every free.
Quote from: Itchy on August 09, 2015, 09:57:29 AM
One thing you would wonder is whether something was said to McCann during the hair rubbing incident, something personal perhaps. His dive was shocking but perhaps there were two sides to the story. It's depressing watching Tyrone, Monaghan and Armagh play- always at this shite. There will come a day when parents stop bringing their kids to matches if this stuff is allowed continue
kevin costner gives an excellent analysis of the event.
https://www.facebook.com/BELFASTLAD/videos/vb.167750270096599/411575615714062/?type=2&theater
Quote from: rrhf on August 09, 2015, 10:15:10 AM..I'd have loved to be playing the dubs as we would beat them at the moment.
God love your optimism.
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Quote from: general_lee on August 08, 2015, 11:40:25 PM
Also forget to mention Tyrone fans. Again you lot are complete pukes. Every decision against Tyrone, no matter how blatantly obvious was the ref being a cheating bastid! Still yapping about decisions with the game won! Mayo fans just as bad, applauding wides and yellow cards and cheering every Donegal mistake! Again the game won and over with 25 mins to go!
We fed have more than our share. It is the lack of knowledge annoys me. Roaring black card ref at every free.
That is not the sole preserve of Tyrone fans though!
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McAliskey was very fortunate to get a free for the goal chance he fluffed.
On the contrary, he was pushed at the last minute-definite black card. A great turn of pace by Conor.
Is a push or nudge a black card?
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Why was the ref not allowing quick kick outs at times and others he ignored?
Also, he was harsh on Monaghan in the second half twice for calling back play when Monaghan played a free quickly.
He's Marty Duffy, he does what he wants ;)
No idea, once he second half he done it when Monaghan looked to have a gap on a break in the Tyrone half.
Struck me he was a man who liked having a breather.
He was insisting the kick out was taken from the proper place. Corrected Morgan on a few occasions at the start.
If that's the case he missed a couple of obvious ones
You have to hand it to them, Tyrone were up for it and did the business when it counted.
This whole McCann diving incident is doing two things, it is taking away from some excellent disciplined performances and it is disguising other poor decisions on the line and the lack of depth in the squad.
How brilliant were Petey Harte, Mattie Donnelly and Ronan McNabb? As good as the best on any team left in the championship. They played on a different level from the others in their team and none of the nonsense. The Tyrone full back line were great until McNamee, in the last five minutes, got infected by the hysteria of the less talented in both teams. Even McCann showed he could be a new version of Davy Harte with his runs from defence when the ball was fed to him. Colm Cavanagh probably had his best game for Tyrone, never crossing into the Monaghan half and pulling balls out of the clouds. The corner forwards rolled the scoreboard on. Meyler was a fool in pulling down a man who would have been black carded for a body block.
On the other hand, poor Mark Bradley was out of his depth and anonymous. The McCann dive will take the spotlight away from his brother costing his team a free and a score at a key time and being the sub who had to be subbed after ten minutes. Good decision by management to be brave enough to take him back off but who ever thought he should have been on? The most of the other subs who came on added nothing, McNulty couldn't get into the game and O'Neill was too hyped up by the hysteria that he made no contribution. Unlike the other three teams left, there is no depth to the squad. there are 17/18 players compared to Kerry and Dublin with 22/25 players who are interchangeable. Sean Cavanagh showed he still has the talent to lead Tyrone in attack and his antics were no worse yesterday than in any other game. However, he did contribute to the hysteria that almost cost his team the game if Monaghan had a leader or even listened to Dick Clerkin when he came on. At the same time he was the target for some abuse and a serious assault.
McCann's dive also hides the behaviour of the Monaghan players which can be poor enough on any day but for some it was pretty terrible yesterday and cost them the game when the hysteria started in the last ten minutes of ordinary time and the almost nine minutes of additional time. Finlay should have walked for his sneaky punch to the base of Cavanagh's skull, very dangerous and a signal of intent. Hughes should have walked either with a red/black card or should have been subbed by O'Rourke because his behaviour contributed to the hysteria. It was obvious he was given free rein to rile the Tyrone players and it worked. He was the boys sent on with the stick to poke the wasps' nest until they attacked. If McManus had been up for leading an all out footballing assault on the Tyrone defence in the additional 9 minutes given to him, Monaghan would have won when the Tyrone players went hyper with their reactions and attempt to defend their lead. If the goal had been scored, Monaghan were on top and could have had a draw or a win. Discipline for key Tyrone defenders was gone. A key weakness was exposed for Tyrone but none of the other teams remaining will behave as badly as some of the Monaghan players and management who allowed them to do so.
Well done Tyrone, last Ulster team standing and with the potential to win if they can hold it together for 80 minutes and the other teams will be afraid of them, very afraid.
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For the record, Tyrone were without question the better team. I just think they're classless, that's all.
All of them?
Not all of them no. I thought the Harte fella showed a bit of class at one stage pushing his mates out the way so Monaghan could take their free. Maybe he didn't want the ball moved up but it was still good to see
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 09, 2015, 02:02:38 AM
McMahon did seem to be doing some serious slabbering on Tv, nearly a re-run of his brother at halftime in the Donegal game
Serious slabbering? What was he saying or who to? How many times did you see this 'serious slabbering'?
It was shown on tele a few times mate. He was yelling in general, pumping his fists but also he was saying a few things to the Monaghan players. Not a lip reader so couldn't say whatever's happening but it didn't look to be said in a friendly manner
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 09, 2015, 02:02:38 AM
McMahon did seem to be doing some serious slabbering on Tv, nearly a re-run of his brother at halftime in the Donegal game
Serious slabbering? What was he saying or who to? How many times did you see this 'serious slabbering'?
It was shown on tele a few times mate. He was yelling in general, pumping his fists but also he was saying a few things to the Monaghan players. Not a lip reader so couldn't say whatever's happening but it didn't look to be said in a friendly manner
Same goes for every time the camera panned to McCarron. Consistently being slagged. Why zone in on Tyrone as sole purveyors of sledging? They were all at it.
Agree with the above post about mccarron he seemed to have got serious abuse!
And an you anyone clear up whether Hughes got the red for the McCann hair ruffling or for clipping Richie Donnelly before that?
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 09, 2015, 02:02:38 AM
McMahon did seem to be doing some serious slabbering on Tv, nearly a re-run of his brother at halftime in the Donegal game
Serious slabbering? What was he saying or who to? How many times did you see this 'serious slabbering'?
It was shown on tele a few times mate. He was yelling in general, pumping his fists but also he was saying a few things to the Monaghan players. Not a lip reader so couldn't say whatever's happening but it didn't look to be said in a friendly manner
Same goes for every time the camera panned to McCarron. Consistently being slagged. Why zone in on Tyrone as sole purveyors of sledging? They were all at it.
Not saying they weren't. I was just answering a guys question
Quote from: rrhf on August 09, 2015, 10:15:10 AM
Couldnt be bothered reading through this thread...glorious Sunday morning and yes back in an all Ireland semifinal. Great performance by Tyrone yesterday. Was disappointed in.some.of.the monaghan off the ball stuff combined with refereeeing standards that lead to a discipline breakdown and some silliness in the last 10. That's enough on that though.
Most importantly I'm sure there's men throughout the land who are raging that a little feared Tyrone team could go so far. I Don't give them much chance against kerry but fair.play to them..I'd have loved to be playing the dubs as we would beat them at the moment.
You wouldn't beat us at paintballing . You're ranked a distant 4th among present company
Quote from: trileacman on August 09, 2015, 02:20:36 AM
Can't condone McCann's actions. I've said since the days of Aidan O'Mahoneys dive v Cork it should carry a 1 match ban applied retrospectively. T'is the only way to address it.
Think there's a lot of hysteria about the rest of the game. Meath took out our talisman and team leader in 96 before trying a frontal lobotomy on Brian Dooher. They're remembered as a good hard team from a golden era from the rose-tinted brigade. The ending to today's game which ended in farce had a lot to do with the terrible refereeing of Duffy. f**k the match would have stood a better chance from the likes of Pat McEnaney or even god forbid Paddy Russell. The standard of refereeing today is f**king shambolic, Padraic Hughes, the Duffy's (because one wasn't enough) and Joe McQuillan represent the fresh-faced bullshit from modern HQ on how to be a ref, ie, pointless f**king box-tickers. The match had all the hallmarks of a ref who'd lost the respect of the players and hence the closing anarchy. Having handed out some very soft frees early to McAliskey, Cavanagh and McCrory he then turned his attention to screwing Tyrone instead of Monaghan by black carding Meyler. Several potential black cards for Tyrone were then overlooked off the back of this shitty call.
Cavanagh was very pumped for this game and put in a savage performance but was too highly strung. His yellow card had been coming and following it, Harte put him into FF where he couldn't rush in so rashly again. McNamee too became increasingly frustrated and aggressive towards the end of the game and many managers would have recognised as a player starting to lose the head and called him ashore. But Monaghan players too, most notably Finlay and Hughes crossed the line as regards their conduct. However, much to the ire of the players on the pitch, Duffy carried out no serious punishment for any of the indiscipline which in turn creates a scenario where players feel the need to meat out their out retribution.
I can't lay all the blame at Duffy's door. Finlay, Hughes, Cavanagh and McNamee were all over involved in the indiscipline and some or all of them could have seen the line but Duffy made matters much, much worse. By pedantically punishing minor indiscretions or wronging penalising the innocent and then fcking ignoring the incidents he should have controlled he lost control of the players around him.
Donnelly was excellent. McCann was a f**king terrible substitution, near cost us the match. Brennan was the man to take up Meyler's role, they're very similar, failing that McNulty could've been trusted with it. McCurry is a top forward, very reliable and consistent, McAliskey isn't as much but tries hard to be fair to him. Never seen Colm as a sweeper but f**k he can do it well enough. Bradley was very quiet after a busy 4 weeks. McNamee bar his moments of madness, managed McManus well. McNabb is a safe pair of hands too. McCrory is an enigma now, no longer a man-marker can he really play a box to box strategy? Morgan was excellent too and his awareness and quality of kickouts is a major factor in our success. Arguably a poorer stopper and weaker under the high ball than O'Neill but his quality with ball in hand or off the deck is priceless.
Spot on post.
At the end of the day, some people enjoy Tyrone, the majority hate us. But its not a popularity contest. The championship is a better competition when there is a Tyrone team who are competing at the business end. People have an opinion about Tyrone, they create talking points, they have characters on the team - unlike teams like Down, Kildare, Derry, Roscommon etc, who nobody outside those counties have an opinion on. Whether you like Tyrone or not those people who hate them will some tune in and watch them. And all this nonsense about Tyrone style being bad for the game, complete nonsense. Tyrone V the Dubs for the final - the 2 most hated teams in the country.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 09, 2015, 11:20:18 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 09, 2015, 10:15:10 AM
Couldnt be bothered reading through this thread...glorious Sunday morning and yes back in an all Ireland semifinal. Great performance by Tyrone yesterday. Was disappointed in.some.of.the monaghan off the ball stuff combined with refereeeing standards that lead to a discipline breakdown and some silliness in the last 10. That's enough on that though.
Most importantly I'm sure there's men throughout the land who are raging that a little feared Tyrone team could go so far. I Don't give them much chance against kerry but fair.play to them..I'd have loved to be playing the dubs as we would beat them at the moment.
You wouldn't beat us at paintballing . You're ranked a distant 4th among present company
Arrogant but true.
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 09:35:44 AM
Ziggy doing a sterling job this morning locking needless threads.
Tyrone people are easily offended, like.
The most important thing here is that a shameless diver is protected from criticism.
Tiernan McCann has to get up in the morning. He's still flat out on the ground at the moment, though.
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 09, 2015, 11:09:42 AM
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 09, 2015, 02:02:38 AM
McMahon did seem to be doing some serious slabbering on Tv, nearly a re-run of his brother at halftime in the Donegal game
Serious slabbering? What was he saying or who to? How many times did you see this 'serious slabbering'?
It was shown on tele a few times mate. ]He was yelling in general, pumping his fists but also he was saying a few things to the Monaghan players. Not a lip reader so couldn't say whatever's happening but it didn't look to be said in a friendly manner
Same goes for every time the camera panned to McCarron. Consistently being slagged. Why zone in on Tyrone as sole purveyors of sledging? They were all at it.
Not saying they weren't. I was just answering a guys question
I'm sorry but Justin McMahon can't be dragged into this for yelling and pumping fists. He got Irate with ref when Monaghan player went in late with the knee in the first half. Other than that he played a blinder.
First team out of the Ulster championship, last Ulster team standing in the all Ireland series.
Let's just call the whole thing off and hand the championship to the most polite, well mannered and courteous team in the country.... Good luck finding one though... It's dog eat dog time in the championship. Yes it was hard tough and at times nasty but god oh some people are going overboard. Lochra Gael during the week showed the Meath cork rivalry in the late 80's. Them games would have finished 5 a side now . At times the tackles and off the ball incidents were brutal, but fellas expected it and got on with it back then.
Over the moon that Tyrone won, it will give Des Cahill something to spontaneously combust over on Sunday game tonight. But don't forget Aidan O Mahony's dive a couple of years back and Michael Shields v Kerry this year. I am not defending McCann in any way at all, it was pathetic and embarrassing, more so for himself than anyone else, but the complete hysteria is laughable.
Tyrone were the better team yesterday. Will we beat Kerry in 2 weeks? Probably not and RTE and Croke park will breathe a sigh of relief but we have done more than anyone thought in getting to a semi final and will give Kerry a tough game.
The ref was always going to be an embarrassment and so it proved. To have these game officiated by someone like Duffy beggars belief. Totally ruined the flow of the game. On numerous occasions players from both teams got free from tackles , played the ball to a team mate in acres of space yet Duffy saw fit to call it back. You could see tempers starting to boil due to frustration. Players from both sides were hitting each other shoulders off the ball and walking on but nothing more, yet Duffy stops an attacking opportunity to run 50 yards to say cut it out, not even issuing a card, much to the demise of the game as a whole.
But anyway, well done Tyrone. 28 other teams would swap places with them in an instant.
On a side note, Mayo were very impressive yesterday.
Watching this again, McCann should have gotten a straight red for kicking Hughes: http://giant.gfycat.com/QualifiedConcreteLabradorretriever.mp4 (http://giant.gfycat.com/QualifiedConcreteLabradorretriever.mp4)
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The vast majority of Tyrone fans here have outright condemned McCann's actions.
But they haven't. They've rejoiced in it. You wouldn't expect any more from Tyrone people.
I know you're a pure WUM but show us a few examples of people 'rejoicing' in it??
The attitude from Tyrone people has been depressing but not at all surprising. Apologists for McCann and for Tyrone's cynicism and gamesmanship have been on full time duty here since 5:30pm yesterday. Tyrone people have form for this. After all, they've been defending the shameless diving of Philip Jordan, who deliberately got an opponent sent off for nothing in All-Ireland final, since 2003. Tyrone people are so practised in propaganda that they could work for Fox News.
Are you still moaning about Martin O'Connell and John McDermott by the way? Two players who had more manliness in their little fingers than than the current Tyrone panel put together can muster
Again show me these apologists for McCann?? I have yet to see one man defending him on here!
To be fair there's nothing worse than a man fist pumping. Fist pumping should be the 6th black card crime. Fist pumping bastards. And yelling.
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2015, 12:06:50 PM
Watching this again, McCann should have gotten a straight red for kicking Hughes: http://giant.gfycat.com/QualifiedConcreteLabradorretriever.mp4 (http://giant.gfycat.com/QualifiedConcreteLabradorretriever.mp4)
On further analysis, Marty had just been hit by a sniper. See the syringe protruding from the right side of his head.
Where did my Tyrone thread go?
Very disappointing result and performance from Monaghan yesterday. The way that Tyrone cantered through the defence at times was mind-boggling. I've no doubt i'm biased, but I left thinking Tyrone won because Monaghan were bad, rather than Tyrone being good. It was probably an element of both.
Duffy was an awful ref - not the reason why we lost the game, but he didn't help matters. Cavanagh won a few ridiculously soft frees resulting in scores. I also think he made a massive contribution to the discipline breaking down at the end. Yes, from Monaghan's point of view, Kieran Hughes looked set for a sending off for a long time. Any indiscretion from Finlay is very out of character. The diving and faking injury is a blight on the game and should surely fall under the remit of the black card, which is after all intended to address cynical behaviour - the likes of the McCann and Michael Shields incidents should be dealt with more severely than with a black card. It's a difficult one for a ref to call on the spot, but retrospective match bans should be applied in those circumstances.
Anyway, beaten fair and square. Hard to accept, given that this Monaghan team is good enough to make the last 4 (even if I don't believe there's an AI in them). It takes a slight gloss of the year, but ending as Ulster Champions, another year in Division 1 - i'd have taken that at the start of the year. Possibly a few retirements before next year, which could be a big loss - I think the blend of old and new were a big factor in delivering the 2 Ulster titles.
As I said before the game, i'd take an Ulster title and a QF loss before a SF loss through the qualifiers. While Tyrone have surpassed expectations in reaching the SF, I expect Kerry to be a different proposition altogether, with a much superior mid-field and far more options up front.
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 09, 2015, 12:34:34 PM
Very disappointing result and performance from Monaghan yesterday. The way that Tyrone cantered through the defence at times was mind-boggling. I've no doubt i'm biased, but I left thinking Tyrone won because Monaghan were bad, rather than Tyrone being good. It was probably an element of both.
Duffy was an awful ref - not the reason why we lost the game, but he didn't help matters. Cavanagh won a few ridiculously soft frees resulting in scores. I also think he made a massive contribution to the discipline breaking down at the end. Yes, from Monaghan's point of view, Kieran Hughes looked set for a sending off for a long time. Any indiscretion from Finlay is very out of character. The diving and faking injury is a blight on the game and should surely fall under the remit of the black card, which is after all intended to address cynical behaviour - the likes of the McCann and Michael Shields incidents should be dealt with more severely than with a black card. It's a difficult one for a ref to call on the spot, but retrospective match bans should be applied in those circumstances.
Anyway, beaten fair and square. Hard to accept, given that this Monaghan team is good enough to make the last 4 (even if I don't believe there's an AI in them). It takes a slight gloss of the year, but ending as Ulster Champions, another year in Division 1 - i'd have taken that at the start of the year. Possibly a few retirements before next year, which could be a big loss - I think the blend of old and new were a big factor in delivering the 2 Ulster titles.
As I said before the game, i'd take an Ulster title and a QF loss before a SF loss through the qualifiers. While Tyrone have surpassed expectations in reaching the SF, I expect Kerry to be a different proposition altogether, with a much superior mid-field and far more options up front.
So you expect Tyrone to take a dive in the next game is what you're saying?
Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2015, 12:06:50 PM
Watching this again, McCann should have gotten a straight red for kicking Hughes: http://giant.gfycat.com/QualifiedConcreteLabradorretriever.mp4 (http://giant.gfycat.com/QualifiedConcreteLabradorretriever.mp4)
It actually looks like Hughes was trying to pull his hair like but couldn't get a proper hold of it due to the amount of gel in it. Look at Hughes clinched fist. Im no expert on hair ruffling but would you do it with a clenched fist. Why was he trying to pull his hair like a 5 year old girl in the first place. Regardless, McCann has made a complete embarrassment of himself and Tyrone by going down like that but there is no way Hughes was sent off for it as Duffy was walking over to them and must have seen it all. He got the line for what he did to Richie Donnelly. To be honest, had it been any other County there wouldn't have been half the uproar. Tyrone - the team everyone loves to hate
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Quote from: muppet on August 09, 2015, 12:06:50 PM
Watching this again, McCann should have gotten a straight red for kicking Hughes: http://giant.gfycat.com/QualifiedConcreteLabradorretriever.mp4 (http://giant.gfycat.com/QualifiedConcreteLabradorretriever.mp4)
It actually looks like Hughes was trying to pull his hair like but couldn't get a proper hold of it due to the amount of gel in it. Look at Hughes clinched fist. Im no expert on hair ruffling but would you do it with a clenched fist. Why was he trying to pull his hair like a 5 year old girl in the first place. Regardless, McCann has made a complete embarrassment of himself and Tyrone by going down like that but there is no way Hughes was sent off for it as Duffy was walking over to them and must have seen it all. He got the line for what he did to Richie Donnelly. To be honest, had it been any other County there wouldn't have been half the uproar. Tyrone - the team everyone loves to hate
I was thinking at the time Hughes challenge deserved a black card but had to head to work so haven't seen a replay,anywhere i could watch one?
Sidney your Jim Lynagh statement is a disgrace.
Richie Donnelly had a fully closed over eye from a punch by Hughes, sky cameras showed one replay of it but when McCann intervened that, obviously, stole the limelight. Watch video as you can see Duffy already is in the motion of pulling his book out before Hughes made a grab for McCann.
Once again, McCann was way out of order for his subsequent action.
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McMahon did seem to be doing some serious slabbering on Tv, nearly a re-run of his brother at halftime in the Donegal game
Serious slabbering? What was he saying or who to? How many times did you see this 'serious slabbering'?
It was shown on tele a few times mate. ]He was yelling in general, pumping his fists but also he was saying a few things to the Monaghan players. Not a lip reader so couldn't say whatever's happening but it didn't look to be said in a friendly manner
Same goes for every time the camera panned to McCarron. Consistently being slagged. Why zone in on Tyrone as sole purveyors of sledging? They were all at it.
Not saying they weren't. I was just answering a guys question
I'm sorry but Justin McMahon can't be dragged into this for yelling and pumping fists. He got Irate with ref when Monaghan player went in late with the knee in the first half. Other than that he played a blinder.
I wasn't dragging him into it. I was just pointing out what the cameras had shown him doing. There was a lot more than telling and pumping his fists tho. He played alright
Enjoyed the game yesterday although it all went a bit south for the last 10/15 minutes. You could see it developing from early in the match and while the blame will ultimately fall on the players who should have a bit more cop on, Duffy has to take his share of the blame. From the first minute he was being overly fussy on silly stupid things, slowing Tyrone kickouts up due to a Monaghan man not outside the 21 when it was obvious he was doing it to slow the kick outs down. Also he doesn't look fit enough to me and was looking for a breather a good few times when he called play back. I see Cavanagh is getting plenty of stick for diving for frees but it was poor defending on him numerous times to allow this to happen, McManus knows how to milk contact for frees as well looking at it yesterday, a bit to obvious on one occasion when he kicked the legs out behind himself. McCann should be embarrassed with that yesterday, Hughes was already gone for poleaxing Donnelly not that it makes any difference. Beggan and McCurry both lay down as well, although at least there was actual contact in both cases.
Anyway onto the football, was impressed with Tyrone in fits and starts. Wasn't a game for Bradley, Monaghan far to physical for him but Donnelly and Harte both dominated at different times to keep the scoreboard ticking over when it looked like Monaghan where starting to get going. One thing they really need to improve on is turning chances into goals. One in particular when Donnelly got has last point should have been a goal but poor running off the ball left him drifting out towards the corner rather than straight at goal, any of the other 3 teams left would have at least worked a shot at goal there and on several other occasions. At times in the last 15 minutes both Harte and Donnelly had the ball on their own 65 and there was acres of space in the full forward line with no sweeper, ball should have been played in.
Think they will give Kerry a game but that the Kerry bench looks to strong if a game changing sub is needed.
Who was the Tyrone player who tamely kicked the ball to the Monaghan keeper from the Cusack side of the field when it looked like a 2-on-1. Was it McCarron or McCrory?
Quote from: ONeill on August 09, 2015, 01:27:31 PM
Who was the Tyrone player who tamely kicked the ball to the Monaghan keeper from the Cusack side of the field when it looked like a 2-on-1. Was it McCarron or McCrory?
McCrory I just don't see what he brings to the table.
How many kicks of the ball did young Bradley get yesterday?
Not having a go just surprised he wasn't taken off !!!
Think he was taken off with a few minutes to go. Just didn't get going at all yesterday guess he just had one of those days.
People see different things in games but I was impressed with Bradleys link up play yesterday.
The most glaring question has been missed by everybody though..... Where did the pigeons get all the tickets from???????
Quote from: Gaffer on August 09, 2015, 02:01:57 PM
How many kicks of the ball did young Bradley get yesterday?
Not having a go just surprised he wasn't taken off !!!
He was taken off. Richie Donnelly came on for him.
Monaghan, dark arts lesson #1: NEVER put your hand next or near an opponent's head intentionally. If in doubt, seek clarification and confirmation from your local under-5s team. :P
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2015, 02:40:17 PM
Monaghan, dark arts lesson #1: NEVER put your hand next or near an opponent's head intentionally. If in doubt, seek clarification and confirmation from your local under-5s team. :P
Also forward to this on to Kevin Keane down in Mayo ;)
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Monaghan, dark arts lesson #1: NEVER put your hand next or near an opponent's head intentionally. If in doubt, seek clarification and confirmation from your local under-5s team. :P
A pathetic attempt to justify McCann's dive and a real insight into the poisonous mindset of Tyrone GAA people.
Where is it you're from Sidney?
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Who was the Tyrone player who tamely kicked the ball to the Monaghan keeper from the Cusack side of the field when it looked like a 2-on-1. Was it McCarron or McCrory?
McCrory I just don't see what he brings to the table.
Cheating!
Rory Beggan didn't exactly cover himself in glory with his diving antics either by the way. Whilst not justifying McCanns antics or condoning it, can I just make it clear that Darren Hughes WAS NOT sent off for the McCann incident. He was sent off for the fracas that led to Ritchie Donnelly leaving the pitch with a split eye. So can we please make sure that we are aware that McCann didn't get Hughes sent off. This appears to be the incorrect narrative that is being told in the various media.
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2015, 02:40:17 PM
Monaghan, dark arts lesson #1: NEVER put your hand next or near an opponent's head intentionally. If in doubt, seek clarification and confirmation from your local under-5s team. :P
A pathetic attempt to justify McCann's dive and a real insight into the poisonous mindset of Tyrone GAA people.
Smart lad: where exactly have I condoned Mc Cann''s simulation? You're forgetting some basics :D
Quote from: Beantown on August 09, 2015, 02:13:07 PM
The most glaring question has been missed by everybody though..... Where did the pigeons get all the tickets from???????
They were everywhere!!
I thought mcrory broke through quite a few times for tyrone. Won at least one scoreable free.
Monaghan were diving a bit on the head high stuff but cavanagh did nail mcadam good and proper.
Surprised more isn't said of paul finlay's dig to the back of cavanagh's head.
Photo doing the rounds on twitter of mccann winking to someone when hughes was sent off a la kyle lafferty...
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2015, 02:40:17 PM
Monaghan, dark arts lesson #1: NEVER put your hand next or near an opponent's head intentionally. If in doubt, seek clarification and confirmation from your local under-5s team. :P
A pathetic attempt to justify McCann's dive and a real insight into the poisonous mindset of Tyrone GAA people.
Where is it you're from Sidney?
He's a rub a bleedin' dub don't you know, getting way ahead of himself and how he'll handle us in the final - sharpening those incisors he is! :D
Loving this, are we still winning? :) :)
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Quote from: Beantown on August 09, 2015, 02:13:07 PM
The most glaring question has been missed by everybody though..... Where did the pigeons get all the tickets from???????
They were everywhere!!
I thought mcrory broke through quite a few times for tyrone. Won at least one scoreable free.
Monaghan were diving a bit on the head high stuff but cavanagh did nail mcadam good and proper.
Surprised more isn't said of paul finlay's dig to the back of cavanagh's head.
Photo doing the rounds on twitter of mccann winking to someone when hughes was sent off a la kyle lafferty...
But Hughes was sent off for hitting Ritchie Donnelly! The McCann incident happened after the ref had decided to send him off.
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The most glaring question has been missed by everybody though..... Where did the pigeons get all the tickets from???????
They were everywhere!!
I thought mcrory broke through quite a few times for tyrone. Won at least one scoreable free.
Monaghan were diving a bit on the head high stuff but cavanagh did nail mcadam good and proper.
Surprised more isn't said of paul finlay's dig to the back of cavanagh's head.
Photo doing the rounds on twitter of mccann winking to someone when hughes was sent off a la kyle lafferty...
But Hughes was sent off for hitting Ritchie Donnelly! The McCann incident happened after the ref had decided to send him off.
Don't the Hughes & Donnelly boys share a house at universiy?
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The most glaring question has been missed by everybody though..... Where did the pigeons get all the tickets from???????
Gavin Devlin did it - http://tyronetribulations.com
Richie Donnelly said this morning that the shiner came from an accidental clash of heads.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 09, 2015, 03:27:16 PM
Richie Donnelly said this morning that the shiner came from an accidental clash of heads.
Well, if Duffy sent Hughes off for the McCann incident, which happened 5 yards away straight in front of him, then he should never be allowed to referee another game again.
Talk of Hughes getting sent off for hitting Donnelly is irrelevant to me. What McCann did is embarrassing and shames Tyrone and the game. Most of the other stuff going on you will see at some level or other from most teams. Galway - one of the supposed virtuous teams - did similar things to see out the game against Armagh. It happens and it is up to the rule makers and referees to try and stop it.
The point around the McCann incident, Marty Duffy 5 m away from it looking straight at him, is there not a yellow card offence for unsportmanlike conduct, if not, needs to be brought to the table for next year!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 09, 2015, 03:03:59 PM
Rory Beggan didn't exactly cover himself in glory with his diving antics either by the way. Whilst not justifying McCanns antics or condoning it, can I just make it clear that Darren Hughes WAS NOT sent off for the McCann incident. He was sent off for the fracas that led to Ritchie Donnelly leaving the pitch with a split eye. So can we please make sure that we are aware that McCann didn't get Hughes sent off. This appears to be the incorrect narrative that is being told in the various media.
Saying something often enough will never make it true. It's horseshit and well you know it. Feeble attempt at deflection.
Darren Hughes was sent off for the McCann incident.
Richie Donnelly got the shiner in an accidental clash of heads.
McCann's dive was embarrassing, and rules should be in place for retrospective bans for this. But they're not at the minute.
Rory Beggan should be equally as embarrassed for his dive, but has escaped any media vilification.
All counties have people who dive, and go down too easy. It's a GAA problem as opposed to a Tyrone one.
Tyrone were very good yesterday. The best I seen them play in 2-3 years. Unfortunately that has been lost in the fall out.
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Darren Hughes was sent off for the McCann incident.
Richie Donnelly got the shiner in an accidental clash of heads.
McCann's dive was embarrassing, and rules should be in place for retrospective bans for this. But they're not at the minute.
Rory Beggan should be equally as embarrassed for his dive, but has escaped any media vilification.
All counties have people who dive, and go down too easy. It's a GAA problem as opposed to a Tyrone one.
Tyrone were very good yesterday. The best I seen them play in 2-3 years. Unfortunately that has been lost in the fall out.
Tyrone have a particular problem with diving but then again they don't see it as a problem. Cavanagh particularly good at diving within scoring distances
I had thought that Hughes got sent off for the tackle on Colm Cavanagh.Watched it back and I didn't see him strike Richie Donnelly.
Do not know if this was posted before but thought it funny:
http://www.the42.ie/darren-hughes-tweet-tyrone-dive-2261507-Aug2015/
Kerry introduced simulation to the game with Aidan O'Mahony.
the team o rourke named thurs night would have beaten tyrone.
My heart sank when i seen the changes a half hour before the game.
i just knew we were going to struggle.
Owen Duffy was ready for this game.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 09, 2015, 03:56:00 PM
The point around the McCann incident, Marty Duffy 5 m away from it looking straight at him, is there not a yellow card offence for unsportmanlike conduct, if not, needs to be brought to the table for next year!
I think Marty was doing something else, perhaps updating his card and tic account, it happened in front of him but his brain was elsewhere.
Every ref makes a few errors, was Marty as bad as people make out? Are there any refs here?
It's hard to tell watching a lowish quality dodgy stream. I couldn't tell what happened in the contact for Marty to give all those scorable frees to Tyrone. Regardless, Tyrone had Monaghan's number and would have always done enough to stay the 4 or 5 points ahead.
How many viewers did Sky get, more than 10,000? as compared to a few hundred thousand that TV3 BBCNI would have gotten.
Main Street, have you now been transmogrified into something of a side street? Love it sir, keep it flowing :D
#Under5sKnowTheBleedingHandOnHeadRuleYouNumptyHughes
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The most glaring question has been missed by everybody though..... Where did the pigeons get all the tickets from???????
They were everywhere!!
I thought mcrory broke through quite a few times for tyrone. Won at least one scoreable free.
Monaghan were diving a bit on the head high stuff but cavanagh did nail mcadam good and proper.
Surprised more isn't said of paul finlay's dig to the back of cavanagh's head.
Photo doing the rounds on twitter of mccann winking to someone when hughes was sent off a la kyle lafferty...
But Hughes was sent off for hitting Ritchie Donnelly! The McCann incident happened after the ref had decided to send him off.
You sure about that? If so how?
Finlay's punch to the back of Cavanagh's head with his left followed immediately by dig to the jar with his right was as cowardly an act as you could get and a red card offence.
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Quote from: Beantown on August 09, 2015, 02:13:07 PM
The most glaring question has been missed by everybody though..... Where did the pigeons get all the tickets from???????
They were everywhere!!
I thought mcrory broke through quite a few times for tyrone. Won at least one scoreable free.
Monaghan were diving a bit on the head high stuff but cavanagh did nail mcadam good and proper.
Surprised more isn't said of paul finlay's dig to the back of cavanagh's head.
Photo doing the rounds on twitter of mccann winking to someone when hughes was sent off a la kyle lafferty...
But Hughes was sent off for hitting Ritchie Donnelly! The McCann incident happened after the ref had decided to send him off.
You sure about that? If so how?
I saw it. Duffy was on the way to get his book out as Hughes made contact with McCann. If Duffy did send Hughes off for the incident given the fact that he was 5 yards away and looking straight at it then we have to ask serious questions about how our game is reffed. Monaghan lost the plot in the closing minutes. Tyrone didn't help and wound them up, Finlay may be a decent fella but he was like a desperate/frustrated man who was looking at a dismal end to his career. I do not condone some of the Tyrone antics but for them to shoulder all the blame for the last 10mins of that game is just typical of how our games are reported.
I still think it's not clear what he sent him off for or there wouldn't be so much debate.
You wouldn't know with that duffy fella. Not sure how he gets big games.
Though to be fair to him the last ten minutes yesterday would have been nigh on impossible to officiate. Whether or not the poor officiating in the lead up to the last ten that were the cause of it who knows.
Sorry, do Tyrone have form on this, there tactics seemed to be a re-run of the Monaghan game from 2 year ago
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Quote from: Beantown on August 09, 2015, 02:13:07 PM
The most glaring question has been missed by everybody though..... Where did the pigeons get all the tickets from???????
They were everywhere!!
I thought mcrory broke through quite a few times for tyrone. Won at least one scoreable free.
Monaghan were diving a bit on the head high stuff but cavanagh did nail mcadam good and proper.
Surprised more isn't said of paul finlay's dig to the back of cavanagh's head.
Photo doing the rounds on twitter of mccann winking to someone when hughes was sent off a la kyle lafferty...
But Hughes was sent off for hitting Ritchie Donnelly! The McCann incident happened after the ref had decided to send him off.
You sure about that? If so how?
I saw it. Duffy was on the way to get his book out as Hughes made contact with McCann. If Duffy did send Hughes off for the incident given the fact that he was 5 yards away and looking straight at it then we have to ask serious questions about how our game is reffed. Monaghan lost the plot in the closing minutes. Tyrone didn't help and wound them up, Finlay may be a decent fella but he was like a desperate/frustrated man who was looking at a dismal end to his career. I do not condone some of the Tyrone antics but for them to shoulder all the blame for the last 10mins of that game is just typical of how our games are reported.
+1
The media have a template in place for any sort of controversy in a game involving either Tyrone or Armagh, the blame is already apportioned to one party irrespective of the circumstances.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 09, 2015, 07:59:10 PM
Sorry, do Tyrone have form on this, there tactics seemed to be a re-run of the Monaghan game from 2 year ago
Yep, Monaghan were playing that day too!
Twice yesterday the ref stopped play for someone being down injured - one of them was when Beggan went down on his back. On both occasions, play restarted with a free to the team who had possession when he stopped play. I'd need to check back, but I'm fairly certain there were no frees awarded - he just stopped play. Is this a recent rule change? I would've swore the ball should've been thrown up to restart play
Was changed a few years back. Play restarts with the team in possession having a free kick. They cannot score directly from the free kick though.
QuoteIf in exceptional circumstances play is stopped
by the Referee to enable a seriously injured
player to be treated on the field or removed
from the field of play, play shall resume in one
of the following manners:-
(i) If a Team is in possession when the play
is stopped, the play shall resume with a
free puck to that Team from the position
at which the play was stopped, unless the
play was stopped inside the opponents'
20m line in which case the free shall be
awarded from the 20m line opposite the
point where the play was stopped. A score
may not be made directly from such free.
(ii) If neither Team is in possession when the
play is stopped, a throw-in shall be given at
the position where the play was stopped,
subject to the provisions in Exceptions (v)
and (vi) of Rule 2.2
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Was changed a few years back. Play restarts with the team in possession having a free kick. They cannot score directly from the free kick though.
QuoteIf in exceptional circumstances play is stopped
by the Referee to enable a seriously injured
player to be treated on the field or removed
from the field of play, play shall resume in one
of the following manners:-
(i) If a Team is in possession when the play
is stopped, the play shall resume with a
free puck to that Team from the position
at which the play was stopped, unless the
play was stopped inside the opponents'
20m line in which case the free shall be
awarded from the 20m line opposite the
point where the play was stopped. A score
may not be made directly from such free.
(ii) If neither Team is in possession when the
play is stopped, a throw-in shall be given at
the position where the play was stopped,
subject to the provisions in Exceptions (v)
and (vi) of Rule 2.2
Thanks, didn't realise that
Not sure why McCann did what he did. The game was effectively over and all the lad has done has been to leave himself open to ridicule across the country. He'll not live that down for some time. Will be interesting to see how Tyrone will approach the next day. Were the incidents yesterday symptomatic of an Ulster dogfight between 2 teams that have got to know each other too well over the past couple of years or is this a return to the 2003 Tyrone manta of 'whatever it takes'?
Armamike, Tyrone had the game won long before the crap kicked off so the "whatever it takes" suggestion is null and void. The Monaghan players were pissed with themselves and rightly so as they completely withered under Tyrones intensity.
McCann did indeed make a dick of himself but Too many Monaghan players simply couldn't take their beating like men. The McCann incident will probably overshadow this fact in the analysis.
Monaghan fans have turned out to be the biggest whiners, moaners and begrudgers in the entire country. An impressive feat for a county with zero AI titles.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 09, 2015, 09:12:52 PM
Armamike, Tyrone had the game won long before the crap kicked off so the "whatever it takes" suggestion is null and void. The Monaghan players were pissed with themselves and rightly so as they completely withered under Tyrones intensity.
McCann did indeed make a dick of himself but Too many Monaghan players simply couldn't take their beating like men. The McCann incident will probably overshadow this fact in the analysis.
Thats bullshit. Just look at the diving during the first 55 minutes. Lots of it.
Quote from: hardstation on August 09, 2015, 11:16:35 PM
I've just seen a clip on the Sunday Game of the Monaghan keeper going down like a bag of shite for nothing.
Exactly. Here's a link to it via twitter.
https://twitter.com/mickd85/status/630388222263185408?s=09
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 09, 2015, 11:20:09 PM
Monaghan fans have turned out to be the biggest whiners, moaners and begrudgers in the entire country. An impressive feat for a county with zero AI titles.
In fairness I don't think it is Monaghan fans. Tyrone have more than their share of haters so a couple of incidents makes them fair game!
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 09, 2015, 11:20:09 PM
Monaghan fans have turned out to be the biggest whiners, moaners and begrudgers in the entire country. An impressive feat for a county with zero AI titles.
What Monaghan fans?
Quote from: LeoMc on August 09, 2015, 11:28:58 PM
In fairness I don't think it is Monaghan fans. Tyrone have more than their share of haters so a couple of incidents makes them fair game!
Have yet to see a single Monaghan fan accept that Tyrone are the better team.
https://www.facebook.com/429010670560873/videos/721841891277748/
>:( >:( >:(
Some of the Tyrone lads could take a leaf out of Michael Murphy's book. Took a box to the mouth and stood his ground. There's a lot to be said about manning up in these situations and quit the messing. McCann should be seriously embarrassed with what happened yesterday. Why would a player do that? How would you even think of diving when someone touches your hair. You first reaction would be to push them away not falling to the ground. That was ridiculous and it will likely reck his head now and he won't be the same player in the next game (if he plays, I see Colm O'Rourke has asked for him to be banned, which will likely happen now). Would you not think that Sean Cavanagh would be embarrassed at this stage as well? FFS man stand up and stop acting the maggot. Sublime at times and ridiculous at other times.
I don't care how the Monaghan players behaved themselves in the last 1/4 of that game. The joy of winning at match is Croke Park soon looses it's shine when you see shite like that on TV afterwards. It doesn't have to happen, what it shows is a lack of self belief that the football ability isn't there to kill a game off that they were leading comfortably. They thought they needed to mess and feck about in the last 15 to see out the game when they could have held their head and finished the game strongly. Young team but sometimes the tone is set but the elders on the team and Cavanagh can set a bad example at times.
Quote from: phpearse on August 09, 2015, 11:47:59 PM
Some of the Tyrone lads could take a leaf out of Michael Murphy's book. Took a box to the mouth and stood his ground. There's a lot to be said about manning up in these situations and quit the messing. McCann should be seriously embarrassed with what happened yesterday. Why would a player do that? How would you even think of diving when someone touches your hair. You first reaction would be to push them away not falling to the ground. That was ridiculous and it will likely reck his head now and he won't be the same player in the next game (if he plays, I see Colm O'Rourke has asked for him to be banned, which will likely happen now). Would you not think that Sean Cavanagh would be embarrassed at this stage as well? FFS man stand up and stop acting the maggot. Sublime at times and ridiculous at other times.
I don't care how the Monaghan players behaved themselves in the last 1/4 of that game. The joy of winning at match is Croke Park soon looses it's shine when you see shite like that on TV afterwards. It doesn't have to happen, what it shows is a lack of self belief that the football ability isn't there to kill a game off that they were leading comfortably. They thought they needed to mess and feck about in the last 15 to see out the game when they could have held their head and finished the game strongly. Young team but sometimes the tone is set but the elders on the team and Cavanagh can set a bad example at times.
(if he plays, I see Colm O'Rourke has asked for him to be banned, which will likely happen now
What the f**k right does Colm ORourke have to call for a suspension for anyone?.
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 09, 2015, 11:59:58 PM
(if he plays, I see Colm O'Rourke has asked for him to be banned, which will likely happen now
What the f**k right does Colm ORourke have to call for a suspension for anyone?.
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He has as much right as anyone else to speak his mind & maybe more so since that is what he is being paid to do.
Count yourself damn lucky Brolly wasn't there.
Quote from: phpearse on August 09, 2015, 11:47:59 PM
Some of the Tyrone lads could take a leaf out of Michael Murphy's book. Took a box to the mouth and stood his ground. There's a lot to be said about manning up in these situations and quit the messing. McCann should be seriously embarrassed with what happened yesterday. Why would a player do that? How would you even think of diving when someone touches your hair. You first reaction would be to push them away not falling to the ground. That was ridiculous and it will likely reck his head now and he won't be the same player in the next game (if he plays, I see Colm O'Rourke has asked for him to be banned, which will likely happen now). Would you not think that Sean Cavanagh would be embarrassed at this stage as well? FFS man stand up and stop acting the maggot. Sublime at times and ridiculous at other times.
I don't care how the Monaghan players behaved themselves in the last 1/4 of that game. The joy of winning at match is Croke Park soon looses it's shine when you see shite like that on TV afterwards. It doesn't have to happen, what it shows is a lack of self belief that the football ability isn't there to kill a game off that they were leading comfortably. They thought they needed to mess and feck about in the last 15 to see out the game when they could have held their head and finished the game strongly. Young team but sometimes the tone is set but the elders on the team and Cavanagh can set a bad example at times.
Well the CCCC never banned Michael Shields or Aidan O'Mahony so why would they ban McCann. Just because he is from Tyrone maybe?
Quote from: phpearse on August 09, 2015, 11:47:59 PM
Some of the Tyrone lads could take a leaf out of Michael Murphy's book. Took a box to the mouth and stood his ground. There's a lot to be said about manning up in these situations and quit the messing. McCann should be seriously embarrassed with what happened yesterday. Why would a player do that? How would you even think of diving when someone touches your hair. You first reaction would be to push them away not falling to the ground. That was ridiculous and it will likely reck his head now and he won't be the same player in the next game (if he plays, I see Colm O'Rourke has asked for him to be banned, which will likely happen now). Would you not think that Sean Cavanagh would be embarrassed at this stage as well? FFS man stand up and stop acting the maggot. Sublime at times and ridiculous at other times.
I don't care how the Monaghan players behaved themselves in the last 1/4 of that game. The joy of winning at match is Croke Park soon looses it's shine when you see shite like that on TV afterwards. It doesn't have to happen, what it shows is a lack of self belief that the football ability isn't there to kill a game off that they were leading comfortably. They thought they needed to mess and feck about in the last 15 to see out the game when they could have held their head and finished the game strongly. Young team but sometimes the tone is set but the elders on the team and Cavanagh can set a bad example at times.
I agree with a lot of this.
I don't give a damn what other sides do. If 31 counties dived and feigned that's on their conscience. I didn't like what I saw in the last 15 mins in a Tyrone jersey. I was elated at making the semis and beating the Ulster champs but it was a niggly feeling. During the game it dawned on me that man for man we were actually a better side. Tyrone could have killed them off by playing football 15v15.
There are fine players on that Tyrone team who play football. Harte, Donnelly, McCurry, McMahon..... but there are others who are capable of acts of unmanliness at any given moment.
In terms of dragging down and defending at all costs I've no problem with. Kilkenny were as cynical as fcuk today when Waterford looked like sniffing a goal. It's trying to get others sent off or sanctioned I cannot abide.
I don't care if Monaghan did it too and The Sunday Game didn't highlight it. I don't care about the public's perception of Tyrone. I care about what I see in a Tyrone jersey.
I hope against Kerry we frustrate the feck outta them, foul them where it doesn't hurt, get in their heads and throw verbals, but no diving to get others punished.
Well said.
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2015, 12:09:31 AM
Quote from: phpearse on August 09, 2015, 11:47:59 PM
Some of the Tyrone lads could take a leaf out of Michael Murphy's book. Took a box to the mouth and stood his ground. There's a lot to be said about manning up in these situations and quit the messing. McCann should be seriously embarrassed with what happened yesterday. Why would a player do that? How would you even think of diving when someone touches your hair. You first reaction would be to push them away not falling to the ground. That was ridiculous and it will likely reck his head now and he won't be the same player in the next game (if he plays, I see Colm O'Rourke has asked for him to be banned, which will likely happen now). Would you not think that Sean Cavanagh would be embarrassed at this stage as well? FFS man stand up and stop acting the maggot. Sublime at times and ridiculous at other times.
I don't care how the Monaghan players behaved themselves in the last 1/4 of that game. The joy of winning at match is Croke Park soon looses it's shine when you see shite like that on TV afterwards. It doesn't have to happen, what it shows is a lack of self belief that the football ability isn't there to kill a game off that they were leading comfortably. They thought they needed to mess and feck about in the last 15 to see out the game when they could have held their head and finished the game strongly. Young team but sometimes the tone is set but the elders on the team and Cavanagh can set a bad example at times.
I agree with a lot of this.
I don't give a damn what other sides do. If 31 counties dived and feigned that's on their conscience. I didn't like what I saw in the last 15 mins in a Tyrone jersey. I was elated at making the semis and beating the Ulster champs but it was a niggly feeling. During the game it dawned on me that man for man we were actually a better side. Tyrone could have killed them off by playing football 15v15.
There are fine players on that Tyrone team who play football. Harte, Donnelly, McCurry, McMahon..... but there are others who are capable of acts of unmanliness at any given moment.
In terms of dragging down and defending at all costs I've no problem with. Kilkenny were as cynical as fcuk today when Waterford looked like sniffing a goal. It's trying to get others sent off or sanctioned I cannot abide.
I don't care if Monaghan did it too and The Sunday Game didn't highlight it. I don't care about the public's perception of Tyrone. I care about what I see in a Tyrone jersey.
I hope against Kerry we frustrate the feck outta them, foul them where it doesn't hurt, get in their heads and throw verbals, but no diving to get others punished.
Interesting that you don't namecheck Cavanagh. He should be a legend of the game but there is too much baggage
He is a legend of the game and on a par with Canavan.
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2015, 01:00:17 AM
He is a legend of the game and on a par with Canavan.
In your eyes maybe but not mine. Horse of a man inside his own half but once he crosses midfield the cheating kicks in. I've obviously a higher benchmark for my legends.
Quote from: straightred on August 10, 2015, 01:28:10 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2015, 01:00:17 AM
He is a legend of the game and on a par with Canavan.
In your eyes maybe but not mine. Horse of a man inside his own half but once he crosses midfield the cheating kicks in. I've obviously a higher benchmark for my legends.
Were you alive in 2008?
Sorry I've just started reading this and don't have time to look at 49 pages. This was probably posted somewhere but just in case it wasn't, here's Aidan O'Mahony in 2008:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuU3EdJ1NQ
Not justifying either dive. Both disgusting and the opposite of what the game should be about. But I just don't remember the same outcry over O'Mahony. Is my memory malfunctioning, or is a Tyrone fringe player a softer target than a Kerry all-star?
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on August 10, 2015, 03:36:56 AM
Sorry I've just started reading this and don't have time to look at 49 pages. This was probably posted somewhere but just in case it wasn't, here's Aidan O'Mahony in 2008:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuU3EdJ1NQ
Not justifying either dive. Both disgusting and the opposite of what the game should be about. But I just don't remember the same outcry over O'Mahony. Is my memory malfunctioning, or is a Tyrone fringe player a softer target than a Kerry all-star?
Someone already linked to the massive thread on it at the time when a Tyrone poster tried to peddle the same line you are yesterday.
Well watched this discussed incident again a few times there
Despite the outrage of the supposed dive I'm still fairly convinced that McCann was pulled down by the hair, he also had his legs swept from under him on his way down.
I presume Hughes will be getting a lengthy ban for this and his body slam of Colm C.
I can attest to his innocence on Richie Donnelly tho. That was his brother, didnt look accidental either. How Ciaran Hughes stayed on the pitch is nothing short of a miracle, he was completely out of control throughout and the nonsense at the end could have been averted if he had got the black card he deserved instead of young Meyler
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 09, 2015, 11:25:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 09, 2015, 11:16:35 PM
I've just seen a clip on the Sunday Game of the Monaghan keeper going down like a bag of shite for nothing.
Exactly. Here's a link to it via twitter.
https://twitter.com/mickd85/status/630388222263185408?s=09
Yip, almost as pathetic as the other dive.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 10, 2015, 05:28:41 AM
Well watched this discussed incident again a few times there
Despite the outrage of the supposed dive I'm still fairly convinced that McCann was pulled down by the hair, he also had his legs swept from under him on his way down.
I presume Hughes will be getting a lengthy ban for this and his body slam of Colm C.
I can attest to his innocence on Richie Donnelly tho. That was his brother, didnt look accidental either. How Ciaran Hughes stayed on the pitch is nothing short of a miracle, he was completely out of control throughout and the nonsense at the end could have been averted if he had got the black card he deserved instead of young Meyler
It's amazing what you can see when you put your mind to it.
Quote from: Syferus on August 10, 2015, 03:59:15 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on August 10, 2015, 03:36:56 AM
Sorry I've just started reading this and don't have time to look at 49 pages. This was probably posted somewhere but just in case it wasn't, here's Aidan O'Mahony in 2008:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuU3EdJ1NQ
Not justifying either dive. Both disgusting and the opposite of what the game should be about. But I just don't remember the same outcry over O'Mahony. Is my memory malfunctioning, or is a Tyrone fringe player a softer target than a Kerry all-star?
Were Kerry dragged through the mud due to an action of one of their players? Was it claimed that it was systematic in that county and exemplary of how they behave?
Was it f**k and there's a litany of historic events that shows Kerry have absolutely no qualms about engaging in the dark arts when they want to, the media just decide to ignore this and add no attachement to it.
Someone already linked to the massive thread on it at the time when a Tyrone poster tried to peddle the same line you are yesterday.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 10, 2015, 07:46:20 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 10, 2015, 03:59:15 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on August 10, 2015, 03:36:56 AM
Sorry I've just started reading this and don't have time to look at 49 pages. This was probably posted somewhere but just in case it wasn't, here's Aidan O'Mahony in 2008:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuU3EdJ1NQ
Not justifying either dive. Both disgusting and the opposite of what the game should be about. But I just don't remember the same outcry over O'Mahony. Is my memory malfunctioning, or is a Tyrone fringe player a softer target than a Kerry all-star?
Were Kerry dragged through the mud due to an action of one of their players? Was it claimed that it was systematic in that county and exemplary of how they behave?
Was it f**k and there's a litany of historic events that shows Kerry have absolutely no qualms about engaging in the dark arts when they want to, the media just decide to ignore this and add no attachement to it.
Someone already linked to the massive thread on it at the time when a Tyrone poster tried to peddle the same line you are yesterday.
The big difference is that every Kerry person I heard/read commenting on O'Mahoney condemned him and said they were ashamed of his actions. Every tyrone person justifies mccanns actions by saying we're not the only teamwho dive. Other counties have shame, tyrone don't seem to do shame no matter how low their players stoop. Mccann is only copying the actions of players he looked up a few years ago when he was a teenager. Tyrone people who say there is an agenda against them should ask themselves why this is. From a personal point of view I always used to like tyrone. i had total respect for Eugene mckenna and Art mcrory and supported them in 86, 95 and 96. When harte took over tyrone turned into the most hateful team in the country with all players seemingly coached in the dark arts. If you look at the posters who contribute on here it seems that evey time tyrone play a new county they leave a mark and that becomes a new group of people who hate tyrone. Personally I don't hate them but I hate the way they play football under Harte.
Hate the way they play football under Harte ?
OMG
Ah lenny come on. No Derry man supported Tyrone after Clones in 95!
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-rise-to-the-challenge-again-to-topple-monaghan-1.2311318
Bit of balance here.
Quote from: phpearse on August 09, 2015, 11:47:59 PM
Some of the Tyrone lads could take a leaf out of Michael Murphy's book. Took a box to the mouth and stood his ground. There's a lot to be said about manning up in these situations and quit the messing. McCann should be seriously embarrassed with what happened yesterday. Why would a player do that? How would you even think of diving when someone touches your hair. You first reaction would be to push them away not falling to the ground. That was ridiculous and it will likely reck his head now and he won't be the same player in the next game (if he plays, I see Colm O'Rourke has asked for him to be banned, which will likely happen now). Would you not think that Sean Cavanagh would be embarrassed at this stage as well? FFS man stand up and stop acting the maggot. Sublime at times and ridiculous at other times.
I don't care how the Monaghan players behaved themselves in the last 1/4 of that game. The joy of winning at match is Croke Park soon looses it's shine when you see shite like that on TV afterwards. It doesn't have to happen, what it shows is a lack of self belief that the football ability isn't there to kill a game off that they were leading comfortably. They thought they needed to mess and feck about in the last 15 to see out the game when they could have held their head and finished the game strongly. Young team but sometimes the tone is set but the elders on the team and Cavanagh can set a bad example at times.
Whilst I agree with the sentiment, it wasn't much of a slap that Murphy received. It was closer to the sort of pat given in the O'Mahony incident. There would have been more force behind Murphys push into the defenders chest.
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2015, 12:09:31 AM
Quote from: phpearse on August 09, 2015, 11:47:59 PM
Some of the Tyrone lads could take a leaf out of Michael Murphy's book. Took a box to the mouth and stood his ground. There's a lot to be said about manning up in these situations and quit the messing. McCann should be seriously embarrassed with what happened yesterday. Why would a player do that? How would you even think of diving when someone touches your hair. You first reaction would be to push them away not falling to the ground. That was ridiculous and it will likely reck his head now and he won't be the same player in the next game (if he plays, I see Colm O'Rourke has asked for him to be banned, which will likely happen now). Would you not think that Sean Cavanagh would be embarrassed at this stage as well? FFS man stand up and stop acting the maggot. Sublime at times and ridiculous at other times.
I don't care how the Monaghan players behaved themselves in the last 1/4 of that game. The joy of winning at match is Croke Park soon looses it's shine when you see shite like that on TV afterwards. It doesn't have to happen, what it shows is a lack of self belief that the football ability isn't there to kill a game off that they were leading comfortably. They thought they needed to mess and feck about in the last 15 to see out the game when they could have held their head and finished the game strongly. Young team but sometimes the tone is set but the elders on the team and Cavanagh can set a bad example at times.
I agree with a lot of this.
I don't give a damn what other sides do. If 31 counties dived and feigned that's on their conscience. I didn't like what I saw in the last 15 mins in a Tyrone jersey. I was elated at making the semis and beating the Ulster champs but it was a niggly feeling. During the game it dawned on me that man for man we were actually a better side. Tyrone could have killed them off by playing football 15v15.
There are fine players on that Tyrone team who play football. Harte, Donnelly, McCurry, McMahon..... but there are others who are capable of acts of unmanliness at any given moment.
In terms of dragging down and defending at all costs I've no problem with. Kilkenny were as cynical as fcuk today when Waterford looked like sniffing a goal. It's trying to get others sent off or sanctioned I cannot abide.
I don't care if Monaghan did it too and The Sunday Game didn't highlight it. I don't care about the public's perception of Tyrone. I care about what I see in a Tyrone jersey.
I hope against Kerry we frustrate the feck outta them, foul them where it doesn't hurt, get in their heads and throw verbals, but no diving to get others punished.
Well said O'Neill.
Alot of people slating Tyrone fans for not condemning McCann, almost every Tyrone person that has posted on here has condemned McCanns actions.
I would love to see players banned for that sort of stuff, but at the minute that option isnt there, so untill the rules change , calling for punishment in this incident is pointless.
Maybe feigning injury to get another player sent off should be added to the list of black card offenses?
Interesting enough game on Saturday, Tyrone well deserved their win, much the better team. All the niggle ruined it as a spectacle though.
My take on the various incidents:
- Meyler black card definitely deserved, he was trying to be too cute running into the Monaghan man to get him black carded
- Finlay definitely should have walked for the dangerous punch to Cavanagh's head
- S Cavanagh lucky not to get the line
- McCann a disgrace to himself
- Beggan was playacting at one stage in the 2nd half as well
- K Hughes should have got the line
- Monaghan players generally stupid for getting involved when they should have been concentrating on getting back into the match
- McMahon was lucky not to get black carded in the 2nd half when Monaghan took a quick free and he pulled down the Monaghan man. The ref called back the free so no action was taken. It was probably the only half-chance for a goal Monaghan had
Overall, Tyrone will give Kerry their fill of it but it's hard to see them having enough quality to win it.
Quote from: lenny on August 10, 2015, 08:04:52 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 10, 2015, 07:46:20 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 10, 2015, 03:59:15 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on August 10, 2015, 03:36:56 AM
Sorry I've just started reading this and don't have time to look at 49 pages. This was probably posted somewhere but just in case it wasn't, here's Aidan O'Mahony in 2008:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuU3EdJ1NQ
Not justifying either dive. Both disgusting and the opposite of what the game should be about. But I just don't remember the same outcry over O'Mahony. Is my memory malfunctioning, or is a Tyrone fringe player a softer target than a Kerry all-star?
Were Kerry dragged through the mud due to an action of one of their players? Was it claimed that it was systematic in that county and exemplary of how they behave?
Was it f**k and there's a litany of historic events that shows Kerry have absolutely no qualms about engaging in the dark arts when they want to, the media just decide to ignore this and add no attachement to it.
Someone already linked to the massive thread on it at the time when a Tyrone poster tried to peddle the same line you are yesterday.
The big difference is that every Kerry person I heard/read commenting on O'Mahoney condemned him and said they were ashamed of his actions. Every tyrone person justifies mccanns actions by saying we're not the only teamwho dive. Other counties have shame, tyrone don't seem to do shame no matter how low their players stoop. Mccann is only copying the actions of players he looked up a few years ago when he was a teenager. Tyrone people who say there is an agenda against them should ask themselves why this is. From a personal point of view I always used to like tyrone. i had total respect for Eugene mckenna and Art mcrory and supported them in 86, 95 and 96. When harte took over tyrone turned into the most hateful team in the country with all players seemingly coached in the dark arts. If you look at the posters who contribute on here it seems that evey time tyrone play a new county they leave a mark and that becomes a new group of people who hate tyrone. Personally I don't hate them but I hate the way they play football under Harte.
Well at least you don't generalise.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 10, 2015, 08:55:39 AM
Interesting enough game on Saturday, Tyrone well deserved their win, much the better team. All the niggle ruined it as a spectacle though.
My take on the various incidents:
- Meyler black card definitely deserved, he was trying to be too cute running into the Monaghan man to get him black carded
- Finlay definitely should have walked for the dangerous punch to Cavanagh's head
- S Cavanagh lucky not to get the line
- McCann a disgrace to himself
- Beggan was playacting at one stage in the 2nd half as well
- K Hughes should have got the line
- Monaghan players generally stupid for getting involved when they should have been concentrating on getting back into the match
- McMahon was lucky not to get black carded in the 2nd half when Monaghan took a quick free and he pulled down the Monaghan man. The ref called back the free so no action was taken. It was probably the only half-chance for a goal Monaghan had
Overall, Tyrone will give Kerry their fill of it but it's hard to see them having enough quality to win it.
i cant understand this view at all.
What was Kieran Hughes doing? The wording of the black card rule is to 'deliberately bodily collide with an opponent'
That is exactly what Hughes did, he watched Myler the whole way and deliberately collided with him.
Myler certainly turned into him when he saw the contact coming, but the incident undoubtedly was instigated by Hughes.
I would agree. Hughes should have got a black card for that - Meyler must be fairly miffed at this as he did very little but pass a ball and then saw a man flinging himself at him.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 10, 2015, 09:05:43 AM
i cant understand this view at all.
What was Kieran Hughes doing? The wording of the black card rule is to 'deliberately bodily collide with an opponent'
That is exactly what Hughes did, he watched Myler the whole way and deliberately collided with him.
Myler certainly turned into him when he saw the contact coming, but the incident undoubtedly was instigated by Hughes.
The way I saw it was that Hughes was heading for Meyler and and it likely would have been a black for Hughes if Meyler had just kept running the way he was. Instead Meyler blatantly changed direction to make sure he collided with Hughes so he deserved the black
Wasn't a black card for Hughes, if Hughes had continued and made contact with Meyler, yes he would have got the card. But he didn't and may not have. Meyler checked his run and went into Hughes, rather than Hughes going into him. Who is to say what would have happened if Meyler had continued in a forward direction.
Anyone who attended one of the rules roadshow when the blackcard would have had this explained to them and they used an example very similar to this where the forward moving player changes direction to make the contact and he is deemed to receive the card rather than the defender.
It may have happened differently in a parallel universe but refs have to call what they see and that is what happened. (And that is by no means giving Duffy credit, as he deserves very little)
Quote from: lenny on August 10, 2015, 08:04:52 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 10, 2015, 07:46:20 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 10, 2015, 03:59:15 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on August 10, 2015, 03:36:56 AM
Sorry I've just started reading this and don't have time to look at 49 pages. This was probably posted somewhere but just in case it wasn't, here's Aidan O'Mahony in 2008:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuU3EdJ1NQ
Not justifying either dive. Both disgusting and the opposite of what the game should be about. But I just don't remember the same outcry over O'Mahony. Is my memory malfunctioning, or is a Tyrone fringe player a softer target than a Kerry all-star?
Were Kerry dragged through the mud due to an action of one of their players? Was it claimed that it was systematic in that county and exemplary of how they behave?
Was it f**k and there's a litany of historic events that shows Kerry have absolutely no qualms about engaging in the dark arts when they want to, the media just decide to ignore this and add no attachement to it.
Someone already linked to the massive thread on it at the time when a Tyrone poster tried to peddle the same line you are yesterday.
The big difference is that every Kerry person I heard/read commenting on O'Mahoney condemned him and said they were ashamed of his actions. Every tyrone person justifies mccanns actions by saying we're not the only teamwho dive. Other counties have shame, tyrone don't seem to do shame no matter how low their players stoop. Mccann is only copying the actions of players he looked up a few years ago when he was a teenager. Tyrone people who say there is an agenda against them should ask themselves why this is. From a personal point of view I always used to like tyrone. i had total respect for Eugene mckenna and Art mcrory and supported them in 86, 95 and 96. When harte took over tyrone turned into the most hateful team in the country with all players seemingly coached in the dark arts. If you look at the posters who contribute on here it seems that evey time tyrone play a new county they leave a mark and that becomes a new group of people who hate tyrone. Personally I don't hate them but I hate the way they play football under Harte.
Bullshit. For a start McCann was wrong and I haven't see anyone Tyrone man here make allowances for his actions. The point being made is that when a Kerry player does it, then the view is it not a problem with Kerry football. When a Tyrone players has done similar it is because Tyrone are vile scum and endemic of a culture that exists in the county.
That view is blatant bullshit and highlights the premeditated viewpoints with regards any shady incidents that happens with Northern counties and Southern ones.
Quote from: Bingo on August 10, 2015, 09:39:16 AM
Wasn't a black card for Hughes, if Hughes had continued and made contact with Meyler, yes he would have got the card. But he didn't and may not have. Meyler checked his run and went into Hughes, rather than Hughes going into him. Who is to say what would have happened if Meyler had continued in a forward direction.
Anyone who attended one of the rules roadshow when the blackcard would have had this explained to them and they used an example very similar to this where the forward moving player changes direction to make the contact and he is deemed to receive the card rather than the defender.
It may have happened differently in a parallel universe but refs have to call what they see and that is what happened. (And that is by no means giving Duffy credit, as he deserves very little)
Meyler may have slightly changed direction, in order to ready himself for the contact. But Hughes was running straight at him.....with his arms in the air!!! The only person making the deliberate move was Hughes. His laughter afterwards suggested that he knew exactly what he was doing. Hughes was running in the opposite direction to the play with his eyes fixed on Meyler, Meyler was still moving in an attempt to get back involved in the play and follow the ball. I genuinely can't see how how this card was warranted and the very discussion around it shows how much of a balls the whole black card is.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 10, 2015, 05:28:41 AM
Well watched this discussed incident again a few times there
Despite the outrage of the supposed dive I'm still fairly convinced that McCann was pulled down by the hair, he also had his legs swept from under him on his way down.
I presume Hughes will be getting a lengthy ban for this and his body slam of Colm C.
I can attest to his innocence on Richie Donnelly tho. That was his brother, didnt look accidental either. How Ciaran Hughes stayed on the pitch is nothing short of a miracle, he was completely out of control throughout and the nonsense at the end could have been averted if he had got the black card he deserved instead of young Meyler
ah man, surely a piss take? Man up and call it for what it was, a disgrace. A one match ban (an all ireland semi final no less) would go along way to stamping this nonsense out.
I'm 100% retrospective bans for any diving on a football pitch, be they from Derry, Wicklow, any county. The GAA has to put a lid on this immediately before it creeps in and infests like it has in soccer. Diving, simulating, feigning injury cannot be seen to be productive on the football pitch.
Certain posters questioned Duffy playing so much added time. Sean Cavanagh spent about 5 minutes lying on the ground letting on he was hurt himself. Big Sean, get the buck to your feet and man up!
Monaghan were as poor as Tyrone were impressive (the playacting aside), and it sets it up for a ding dong semi-final against one their old enemies. I'll be at it and will no doubt need to bring my bag of eyes ;-)
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Sorry I've just started reading this and don't have time to look at 49 pages. This was probably posted somewhere but just in case it wasn't, here's Aidan O'Mahony in 2008:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuU3EdJ1NQ
Not justifying either dive. Both disgusting and the opposite of what the game should be about. But I just don't remember the same outcry over O'Mahony. Is my memory malfunctioning, or is a Tyrone fringe player a softer target than a Kerry all-star?
Were Kerry dragged through the mud due to an action of one of their players? Was it claimed that it was systematic in that county and exemplary of how they behave?
Was it f**k and there's a litany of historic events that shows Kerry have absolutely no qualms about engaging in the dark arts when they want to, the media just decide to ignore this and add no attachement to it.
Someone already linked to the massive thread on it at the time when a Tyrone poster tried to peddle the same line you are yesterday.
The big difference is that every Kerry person I heard/read commenting on O'Mahoney condemned him and said they were ashamed of his actions. Every tyrone person justifies mccanns actions by saying we're not the only teamwho dive. Other counties have shame, tyrone don't seem to do shame no matter how low their players stoop. Mccann is only copying the actions of players he looked up a few years ago when he was a teenager. Tyrone people who say there is an agenda against them should ask themselves why this is. From a personal point of view I always used to like tyrone. i had total respect for Eugene mckenna and Art mcrory and supported them in 86, 95 and 96. When harte took over tyrone turned into the most hateful team in the country with all players seemingly coached in the dark arts. If you look at the posters who contribute on here it seems that evey time tyrone play a new county they leave a mark and that becomes a new group of people who hate tyrone. Personally I don't hate them but I hate the way they play football under Harte.
Bullshit. For a start McCann was wrong and I haven't see anyone Tyrone man here make allowances for his actions. The point being made is that when a Kerry player does it, then the view is it not a problem with Kerry football. When a Tyrone players has done similar it is because Tyrone are vile scum and endemic of a culture that exists in the county.
That view is blatant bullshit and highlights the premeditated viewpoints with regards any shady incidents that happens with Northern counties and Southern ones.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 10, 2015, 05:28:41 AM
Well watched this discussed incident again a few times there
Despite the outrage of the supposed dive I'm still fairly convinced that McCann was pulled down by the hair, he also had his legs swept from under him on his way down.
You sure about that!
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Wasn't a black card for Hughes, if Hughes had continued and made contact with Meyler, yes he would have got the card. But he didn't and may not have. Meyler checked his run and went into Hughes, rather than Hughes going into him. Who is to say what would have happened if Meyler had continued in a forward direction.
Anyone who attended one of the rules roadshow when the blackcard would have had this explained to them and they used an example very similar to this where the forward moving player changes direction to make the contact and he is deemed to receive the card rather than the defender.
It may have happened differently in a parallel universe but refs have to call what they see and that is what happened. (And that is by no means giving Duffy credit, as he deserves very little)
Meyler may have slightly changed direction, in order to ready himself for the contact. But Hughes was running straight at him.....with his arms in the air!!! The only person making the deliberate move was Hughes. His laughter afterwards suggested that he knew exactly what he was doing. Hughes was running in the opposite direction to the play with his eyes fixed on Meyler, Meyler was still moving in an attempt to get back involved in the play and follow the ball. I genuinely can't see how how this card was warranted and the very discussion around it shows how much of a balls the whole black card is.
You're persistent with your rubbish - I'll give you that. meyler cynically tried to get Hughes a black card and it (rightly) backfired badly. About the only decision Duffy got right all day. Meyler will think twice before he tries that stunt again.
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Sorry I've just started reading this and don't have time to look at 49 pages. This was probably posted somewhere but just in case it wasn't, here's Aidan O'Mahony in 2008:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuU3EdJ1NQ
Not justifying either dive. Both disgusting and the opposite of what the game should be about. But I just don't remember the same outcry over O'Mahony. Is my memory malfunctioning, or is a Tyrone fringe player a softer target than a Kerry all-star?
Were Kerry dragged through the mud due to an action of one of their players? Was it claimed that it was systematic in that county and exemplary of how they behave?
Was it f**k and there's a litany of historic events that shows Kerry have absolutely no qualms about engaging in the dark arts when they want to, the media just decide to ignore this and add no attachement to it.
Someone already linked to the massive thread on it at the time when a Tyrone poster tried to peddle the same line you are yesterday.
The big difference is that every Kerry person I heard/read commenting on O'Mahoney condemned him and said they were ashamed of his actions. Every tyrone person justifies mccanns actions by saying we're not the only teamwho dive. Other counties have shame, tyrone don't seem to do shame no matter how low their players stoop. Mccann is only copying the actions of players he looked up a few years ago when he was a teenager. Tyrone people who say there is an agenda against them should ask themselves why this is. From a personal point of view I always used to like tyrone. i had total respect for Eugene mckenna and Art mcrory and supported them in 86, 95 and 96. When harte took over tyrone turned into the most hateful team in the country with all players seemingly coached in the dark arts. If you look at the posters who contribute on here it seems that evey time tyrone play a new county they leave a mark and that becomes a new group of people who hate tyrone. Personally I don't hate them but I hate the way they play football under Harte.
Bullshit. For a start McCann was wrong and I haven't see anyone Tyrone man here make allowances for his actions. The point being made is that when a Kerry player does it, then the view is it not a problem with Kerry football. When a Tyrone players has done similar it is because Tyrone are vile scum and endemic of a culture that exists in the county.
That view is blatant bullshit and highlights the premeditated viewpoints with regards any shady incidents that happens with Northern counties and Southern ones.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 10, 2015, 05:28:41 AM
Well watched this discussed incident again a few times there
Despite the outrage of the supposed dive I'm still fairly convinced that McCann was pulled down by the hair, he also had his legs swept from under him on his way down.
You sure about that!
That's one and I suggest he go back and look at the incident again.
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Wasn't a black card for Hughes, if Hughes had continued and made contact with Meyler, yes he would have got the card. But he didn't and may not have. Meyler checked his run and went into Hughes, rather than Hughes going into him. Who is to say what would have happened if Meyler had continued in a forward direction.
Anyone who attended one of the rules roadshow when the blackcard would have had this explained to them and they used an example very similar to this where the forward moving player changes direction to make the contact and he is deemed to receive the card rather than the defender.
It may have happened differently in a parallel universe but refs have to call what they see and that is what happened. (And that is by no means giving Duffy credit, as he deserves very little)
Meyler may have slightly changed direction, in order to ready himself for the contact. But Hughes was running straight at him.....with his arms in the air!!! The only person making the deliberate move was Hughes. His laughter afterwards suggested that he knew exactly what he was doing. Hughes was running in the opposite direction to the play with his eyes fixed on Meyler, Meyler was still moving in an attempt to get back involved in the play and follow the ball. I genuinely can't see how how this card was warranted and the very discussion around it shows how much of a balls the whole black card is.
You're persistent with your rubbish - I'll give you that. meyler cynically tried to get Hughes a black card and it (rightly) backfired badly. About the only decision Duffy got right all day. Meyler will think twice before he tries that stunt again.
What was Hughes' intention then when he was running towards Meyler, with his hands in the air, away from the direction of the play? You are a fairly aggressive little fella in your posts, I'm sure you have played the game before, what's your reaction when someone runs at you with their hands up. Baring in mind, a split second before, Meyler had possession and was moving play on, moving forward himself to get back onto the ball, thats his game, Hughes knew that and made a move to stop him. His reaction afterwards showed the intent.
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Quote from: Bingo on August 10, 2015, 09:39:16 AM
Wasn't a black card for Hughes, if Hughes had continued and made contact with Meyler, yes he would have got the card. But he didn't and may not have. Meyler checked his run and went into Hughes, rather than Hughes going into him. Who is to say what would have happened if Meyler had continued in a forward direction.
Anyone who attended one of the rules roadshow when the blackcard would have had this explained to them and they used an example very similar to this where the forward moving player changes direction to make the contact and he is deemed to receive the card rather than the defender.
It may have happened differently in a parallel universe but refs have to call what they see and that is what happened. (And that is by no means giving Duffy credit, as he deserves very little)
Meyler may have slightly changed direction, in order to ready himself for the contact. But Hughes was running straight at him.....with his arms in the air!!! The only person making the deliberate move was Hughes. His laughter afterwards suggested that he knew exactly what he was doing. Hughes was running in the opposite direction to the play with his eyes fixed on Meyler, Meyler was still moving in an attempt to get back involved in the play and follow the ball. I genuinely can't see how how this card was warranted and the very discussion around it shows how much of a balls the whole black card is.
100% agree Benny.
Kieran Hughes sole intention was to block Mylers run.
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Wasn't a black card for Hughes, if Hughes had continued and made contact with Meyler, yes he would have got the card. But he didn't and may not have. Meyler checked his run and went into Hughes, rather than Hughes going into him. Who is to say what would have happened if Meyler had continued in a forward direction.
Anyone who attended one of the rules roadshow when the blackcard would have had this explained to them and they used an example very similar to this where the forward moving player changes direction to make the contact and he is deemed to receive the card rather than the defender.
It may have happened differently in a parallel universe but refs have to call what they see and that is what happened. (And that is by no means giving Duffy credit, as he deserves very little)
Meyler may have slightly changed direction, in order to ready himself for the contact. But Hughes was running straight at him.....with his arms in the air!!! The only person making the deliberate move was Hughes. His laughter afterwards suggested that he knew exactly what he was doing. Hughes was running in the opposite direction to the play with his eyes fixed on Meyler, Meyler was still moving in an attempt to get back involved in the play and follow the ball. I genuinely can't see how how this card was warranted and the very discussion around it shows how much of a balls the whole black card is.
You're persistent with your rubbish - I'll give you that. meyler cynically tried to get Hughes a black card and it (rightly) backfired badly. About the only decision Duffy got right all day. Meyler will think twice before he tries that stunt again.
What was Hughes' intention then when he was running towards Meyler, with his hands in the air, away from the direction of the play? You are a fairly aggressive little fella in your posts, I'm sure you have played the game before, what's your reaction when someone runs at you with their hands up. Baring in mind, a split second before, Meyler had possession and was moving play on, moving forward himself to get back onto the ball, thats his game, Hughes knew that and made a move to stop him. His reaction afterwards showed the intent.
that's some computer you have - you're able to see I played the game, am aggressive and little. Wouldn't mind one of those myself.
You have sought and continue to seek to justify everything that happened. You describe what you'd like to have happened as opposed to what did happen. In my eyes Meyler saw a chance for a cheap shot and tyrone players don't pass those chances up. He changed direction , jumped and dragged Hughes down with his left arm. He got caught out and that's what pisses you off. 99 times out of 100 these aren't spotted or they are ignored but this one wasn't.
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Quote from: Bingo on August 10, 2015, 09:39:16 AM
Wasn't a black card for Hughes, if Hughes had continued and made contact with Meyler, yes he would have got the card. But he didn't and may not have. Meyler checked his run and went into Hughes, rather than Hughes going into him. Who is to say what would have happened if Meyler had continued in a forward direction.
Anyone who attended one of the rules roadshow when the blackcard would have had this explained to them and they used an example very similar to this where the forward moving player changes direction to make the contact and he is deemed to receive the card rather than the defender.
It may have happened differently in a parallel universe but refs have to call what they see and that is what happened. (And that is by no means giving Duffy credit, as he deserves very little)
Meyler may have slightly changed direction, in order to ready himself for the contact. But Hughes was running straight at him.....with his arms in the air!!! The only person making the deliberate move was Hughes. His laughter afterwards suggested that he knew exactly what he was doing. Hughes was running in the opposite direction to the play with his eyes fixed on Meyler, Meyler was still moving in an attempt to get back involved in the play and follow the ball. I genuinely can't see how how this card was warranted and the very discussion around it shows how much of a balls the whole black card is.
Hughes was after jumping in air with arms waving (one of the most pointless defending exercises in GAA with, I reckon, a 1% success rate at U12 level) in an attempt to block Meylers pass. His momentum was carrying him towards Meyler and where the ball had come from. He would have been best served staying on his toes readying to track Meylers run. He didn't and was moving towards Meyler from his pointless effort to cut out a pass. But Meyler moved.
The whole rule on this is about change of direction to block a runner. You can stand your ground and if an attacker runs into you, no card for either party. You move to make that block, black card. Meyler moved, no matter how slight but its a clear change, so he was gone.
Its a basic understanding of the rules.
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Wasn't a black card for Hughes, if Hughes had continued and made contact with Meyler, yes he would have got the card. But he didn't and may not have. Meyler checked his run and went into Hughes, rather than Hughes going into him. Who is to say what would have happened if Meyler had continued in a forward direction.
Anyone who attended one of the rules roadshow when the blackcard would have had this explained to them and they used an example very similar to this where the forward moving player changes direction to make the contact and he is deemed to receive the card rather than the defender.
It may have happened differently in a parallel universe but refs have to call what they see and that is what happened. (And that is by no means giving Duffy credit, as he deserves very little)
Meyler may have slightly changed direction, in order to ready himself for the contact. But Hughes was running straight at him.....with his arms in the air!!! The only person making the deliberate move was Hughes. His laughter afterwards suggested that he knew exactly what he was doing. Hughes was running in the opposite direction to the play with his eyes fixed on Meyler, Meyler was still moving in an attempt to get back involved in the play and follow the ball. I genuinely can't see how how this card was warranted and the very discussion around it shows how much of a balls the whole black card is.
You're persistent with your rubbish - I'll give you that. meyler cynically tried to get Hughes a black card and it (rightly) backfired badly. About the only decision Duffy got right all day. Meyler will think twice before he tries that stunt again.
What was Hughes' intention then when he was running towards Meyler, with his hands in the air, away from the direction of the play? You are a fairly aggressive little fella in your posts, I'm sure you have played the game before, what's your reaction when someone runs at you with their hands up. Baring in mind, a split second before, Meyler had possession and was moving play on, moving forward himself to get back onto the ball, thats his game, Hughes knew that and made a move to stop him. His reaction afterwards showed the intent.
that's some computer you have - you're able to see I played the game, am aggressive and little. Wouldn't mind one of those myself.
You have sought and continue to seek to justify everything that happened. You describe what you'd like to have happened as opposed to what did happen. In my eyes Meyler saw a chance for a cheap shot and tyrone players don't pass those chances up. He changed direction , jumped and dragged Hughes down with his left arm. He got caught out and that's what pisses you off. 99 times out of 100 these aren't spotted or they are ignored but this one wasn't.
My apologies for suggesting you played the game!
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Quote from: Bingo on August 10, 2015, 09:39:16 AM
Wasn't a black card for Hughes, if Hughes had continued and made contact with Meyler, yes he would have got the card. But he didn't and may not have. Meyler checked his run and went into Hughes, rather than Hughes going into him. Who is to say what would have happened if Meyler had continued in a forward direction.
Anyone who attended one of the rules roadshow when the blackcard would have had this explained to them and they used an example very similar to this where the forward moving player changes direction to make the contact and he is deemed to receive the card rather than the defender.
It may have happened differently in a parallel universe but refs have to call what they see and that is what happened. (And that is by no means giving Duffy credit, as he deserves very little)
Meyler may have slightly changed direction, in order to ready himself for the contact. But Hughes was running straight at him.....with his arms in the air!!! The only person making the deliberate move was Hughes. His laughter afterwards suggested that he knew exactly what he was doing. Hughes was running in the opposite direction to the play with his eyes fixed on Meyler, Meyler was still moving in an attempt to get back involved in the play and follow the ball. I genuinely can't see how how this card was warranted and the very discussion around it shows how much of a balls the whole black card is.
100% agree Benny.
Kieran Hughes sole intention was to block Mylers run.
Yeah he did mean to hinder his run but I don't think in real time - without 40 different slow-mo's - that if Myler hadn't have stepped into it, Hughes would have warrented a black, he was culpable to an extent but Myler tried to buy it and ye have to say the ref got it right. Good call.
Ref tho overall I thought was poor, not that he was biased really but the over-pernikity with kick outs and slowing all down didn't help the game.
Definitely enjoyed the game tho as a spectacle, had everything. Few superb scores from McManus and well worked ones from Harte and Donnelly, good intensity, plenty talking points... Well worth the trip
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Quote from: Bingo on August 10, 2015, 09:39:16 AM
Wasn't a black card for Hughes, if Hughes had continued and made contact with Meyler, yes he would have got the card. But he didn't and may not have. Meyler checked his run and went into Hughes, rather than Hughes going into him. Who is to say what would have happened if Meyler had continued in a forward direction.
Anyone who attended one of the rules roadshow when the blackcard would have had this explained to them and they used an example very similar to this where the forward moving player changes direction to make the contact and he is deemed to receive the card rather than the defender.
It may have happened differently in a parallel universe but refs have to call what they see and that is what happened. (And that is by no means giving Duffy credit, as he deserves very little)
Meyler may have slightly changed direction, in order to ready himself for the contact. But Hughes was running straight at him.....with his arms in the air!!! The only person making the deliberate move was Hughes. His laughter afterwards suggested that he knew exactly what he was doing. Hughes was running in the opposite direction to the play with his eyes fixed on Meyler, Meyler was still moving in an attempt to get back involved in the play and follow the ball. I genuinely can't see how how this card was warranted and the very discussion around it shows how much of a balls the whole black card is.
100% agree Benny.
Kieran Hughes sole intention was to block Mylers run.
That is may be true, but Meyler changed direction to made sure that he would be blocked.
OK Lads, I didn't even see the game this weekend, although I saw the stuff last night on TSG, so I'm not going to bother my hole pontificating about that messy stuff other than to say I don't believe Tyrone need to be at it. Nor does any other team, and Tyrone are not the only team. Because they are high profile now, everything is going to be highlighted but don't be codding ourselves that Tyrone are the only ones who dive, or slabber, or will play cynically if necessary to close out a game.
Anyway, my question is for the Tyrone lads, and is related to Mickey Harte. I've been a huge admirer of Harte for a long time, and I've defended him on here quite a few times. This year I did think he looked like a man running out of road, but I'm wondering how his stock is seen in Tyrone now after yet another run to an All Ireland QF/SF. If they beat Kerry, and I wouldn't be shocked at all, surely Mickey will be allowed stay if he feels like it. If they win another All Ireland they should just give him the job until he decides he's sick of it. But if they lose to Kerry, what will the thoughts be? I think he's shown another reinvention, this feels a bit like a second coming for Tyrone, a bit of youth and a lot of intensity and focus.
So, if they lose to Kerry, with all they've done this year since the Donegal game, should Mickey stay or go?
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OK Lads, I didn't even see the game this weekend, although I saw the stuff last night on TSG, so I'm not going to bother my hole pontificating about that messy stuff other than to say I don't believe Tyrone need to be at it. Nor does any other team, and Tyrone are not the only team. Because they are high profile now, everything is going to be highlighted but don't be codding ourselves that Tyrone are the only ones who dive, or slabber, or will play cynically if necessary to close out a game.
Anyway, my question is for the Tyrone lads, and is related to Mickey Harte. I've been a huge admirer of Harte for a long time, and I've defended him on here quite a few times. This year I did think he looked like a man running out of road, but I'm wondering how his stock is seen in Tyrone now after yet another run to an All Ireland QF/SF. If they beat Kerry, and I wouldn't be shocked at all, surely Mickey will be allowed stay if he feels like it. If they win another All Ireland they should just give him the job until he decides he's sick of it. But if they lose to Kerry, what will the thoughts be? I think he's shown another reinvention, this feels a bit like a second coming for Tyrone, a bit of youth and a lot of intensity and focus.
So, if they lose to Kerry, with all they've done this year since the Donegal game, should Mickey stay or go?
Micks safe ;)
There's no way Duffy could've known for sure what the intentions were of either player. An arrogant call. Having watched it a few times I don't know.
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2015, 10:47:21 AM
There's no way Duffy could've known for sure what the intentions were of either player. An arrogant call. Having watched it a few times I don't know.
I saw this incident too, and I can't agree it was a black card. I certainly don't think the Monaghan lad initiated the contact, even if he was thinking about it, the contact seemed to be initiated by Meyler. He seemed to change direction to make sure the Monaghan lad and himself collided.
But the worst that could be would be a 'dive' which is unfortunately NOT a black card offence. It was a strange interpretation to say Meyler dragged down the opponent. As the rules currently are, I think the most that could have been was a free to Monaghan. At a stretch a black card for the body check, even though it was the attacking team doing the body check, which is certainly not in the spirit of the rule. But Duffy clearly indicated a pull down, which I thought was weird.
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2015, 10:47:21 AM
There's no way Duffy could've known for sure what the intentions were of either player. An arrogant call. Having watched it a few times I don't know.
In fairness if any ref was trying to ref the game based on what they thought was the intentions of a player we'd be in trouble! They can only ref what they see. In my eyes he got it right, plenty of other times he got it wrong including a big call on Finlay leaving the pitch before he did.
It was far from a game changer and we have seen more black cards not given than given in the championship, including a few against Monaghan in Ulster.
I've just seen this incident for the first time.
Marty Duffy clearly indicates that the black card is for a pull down.
He obviously thought it was a deliberate pull down by the tyrone man and therefore a black card.
In my opinion, it seems to me that hughes went towards meyler to 'slow down' his run (every team is doing this now to stop the runs and to avoid the black) I.e. make him run around him. It then seems to me that meyler decided to run towards hughes to initiate contact (I'm guessing that his intention was to make it look like a deliberate body collision by hughes and therefore a black card for hughes). He then also put his arms around hughes, which makes it look like he deliberately pulled down hughes. I think meyler was trying to be clever and get hughes black carded but it backfired big time!
I'm guessing that if meyler didn't put his arms around hughes the ref would have waved play on and no action would have been taken.
Anyway, don't shoot me, I'm only giving my opinion!
But the ref definitely black carded him for a deliberate pull down, not a deliberate body collision.
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There's no way Duffy could've known for sure what the intentions were of either player. An arrogant call. Having watched it a few times I don't know.
In fairness if any ref was trying to ref the game based on what they thought was the intentions of a player we'd be in trouble! They can only ref what they see. In my eyes he got it right, plenty of other times he got it wrong including a big call on Finlay leaving the pitch before he did.
It was far from a game changer and we have seen more black cards not given than given in the championship, including a few against Monaghan in Ulster.
Bingo, for the Black Card the ref HAS to gauge intentions. The rule says a 'deliberate' pull down or whatever. So to give a black card the ref has to ask two things. Is it a foul designated as cynical per the rule? Is it deliberate? Only if the answer is yes, yes can he give a black.
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Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2015, 10:47:21 AM
There's no way Duffy could've known for sure what the intentions were of either player. An arrogant call. Having watched it a few times I don't know.
In fairness if any ref was trying to ref the game based on what they thought was the intentions of a player we'd be in trouble! They can only ref what they see. In my eyes he got it right, plenty of other times he got it wrong including a big call on Finlay leaving the pitch before he did.
It was far from a game changer and we have seen more black cards not given than given in the championship, including a few against Monaghan in Ulster.
Bingo, for the Black Card the ref HAS to gauge intentions. The rule says a 'deliberate' pull down or whatever. So to give a black card the ref has to ask two things. Is it a foul designated as cynical per the rule? Is it deliberate? Only if the answer is yes, yes can he give a black.
Yes, he has to decide if its deliberate or accidental.
Isn't that gauging the intentions?
IT'S IN HIS EYES!!! YOU CAN SEE IT IN HIS EYES!!!!
What can any Tyrone person expect? You have deified a man who was the epitome of a cheat regardless of what talents he had.
Made an art form out of grabbing jerseys and pulling men over to win frees, lying down and feigning injury to get people sent off etc and is lauded as the greatest footballer ever.
No wonder your current crop are proud of the nonsense that masquerades as football. An embarassment to the GAA family.
Lads the hyperbole is ridiculous. Tyrone do some stuff they shouldn't, no doubt about it. It's disappointing to see and I actually don't think they need to do it. But all this stuff being shouted from the rooftops is nuts.
Hughes went to block his run, had the lad run into Hughes there was a chance he be black carded, he put his arms round Hughes and went to ground trying to get Hughes black carded, trying to get another player sidelined backfired on him. it was a 50 50 call put it was brinkmanship that back fired on him, Meyler knew exactly what he was doing.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 10, 2015, 11:21:27 AM
Isn't that gauging the intentions?
Maybe my point was lost in the way I put it. A ref will never know the players intentions, they can only make the call on how they see it. Gauging rather than knowing, if you want. O'neills point (which is true) is that he can't know what intentions of either player was, he can't know it unless he is Paul the Octopus! He has to make the call on how he see's it, what he deems his intentions where - deliberate or accidental. 90% of the wronged player will say he got it wrong and that it was accidental.
-Thought it was a great game apart the last 10mins or so
-An embarrassing moment from a young player, but he'll learn from it.
-I thought a number of Tyrone lads were superb, led by Mattie Donnelly
-That period of play when Owen Duffy scored two crackers and Tyrone responded straight away was class
Anyone know if the game will be shown again this week or is available for download? Anyone use irishtorrents anymore?
Moving on......
Big crossroads for Monaghan. Two big achievements for Monaghan this year, remaining and been competitive in the League and winning Ulster - these have been too rare round Monaghan not to be savoured and celebrated. An All-Ireland semi-final would have been the icing on a cake.
Losing in the manner on Saturday was not the way you wanted to end it. The headlines will read that they are a one man team, lack discipline and rely on the Ulster template to win matches. The Croke Park factor and championship football will also hang over their heads.
Goes without saying they will need a freshness. Will be some retirements - Dick, Lennon, Finlay and possibly Gollogy. None of them certain and will not know until the championship draw is made which influenced a few decisions last year.
Thankfully they seemed to prepare for that this year and Monaghan played a lot of football without these players but they will still be missed and few obvious replacements in the squad. They will likely have to adapt their play somewhat to lessen the influence of a big midfield that they will have and big midfields that they will face.
I struggle to see too many obvious candidates in club football that will fill this void. Club championship will be interesting this year. One or two from U21's would be the height of it.
Hopefully O'Rourke will stay on, think he has committed to it. But you could see why he'd head off if the right challenge came up!
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 10, 2015, 11:27:28 AM
Lads the hyperbole is ridiculous. Tyrone do some stuff they shouldn't, no doubt about it. It's disappointing to see and I actually don't think they need to do it. But all this stuff being shouted from the rooftops is nuts.
Good to see this AZ. Some of the stuff on Saturday was really poor - McCann in particular - but the guff on here about Tyrone as the masters of darkness or something is laughable. Its been going on for a while now and is very unpleasant. Some in the media peddling this line should have a look at themselves.
Speaking of the media however I read Colm Keys calling on Tyrone to come out and make some kind of statement, an apology indeed, over the McCann incident. I would support that, it was an embarrassing moment and they should say he regrets it greatly - I'm sure he does - and that it won't happen again. Letting it pass without comment is wrong. Who knows, it might even start up a proper conversation about how widespread this shite is getting and how to to stop it, in 32 counties rather than just 1
Tyrone have been in run in in the Donegal Senior and Minor game, the tipp U-21 Final and sat game, and you wonder why there so much of a focus on Tyrone, Funny thing about it, if Donegal had beat Monaghan in the Ulster final i think they would have turned Tyrone over again yesterday
They definitely do things they shouldn't. And they probably are involved in more than any other team, at the moment, but it's the hysteria I find ridiculous. And the thing about it is that eventually referees are going to start penalising Tyrone in the wrong because of reputation. That's why it's in Mickey Harte's interest I believe to pull the lads horns in a bit. There's no need to be talking shite or diving, but Tyrone are not the only team doing it, and Tyrone are not, contrary to opinion, the antichrist.
I haven't read the full thread but is Duffy getting off cheaply here?
Apart from sending Hughes off for the McCann incident, when he went in to his umpires for McNamee's punch on the ground, the umpires clearly indicated a punching action to him yet he shows a yellow card.
We are involved too consistently to burry the heads, however, some of the reactions to us and pontification of the purity of others is mindless. I agree that a brief interview with McCann to hold his hands up, say he was out of order and will learn from his mistakes will take the heat of Tyrone in general but more importantly for the lad himself. As AZ said, we will bear the brunt of this on some occasion when we are fully innocent, whether that's a conscious action by a ref or losing out on the majority of 50/50s as a result of an almost unconscious thought that he's a Tyrone man, he's probably pulling my leg here.
That was some let down on Saturday. When alls said and done, Tyrone were the better team and deserved the win. We just didn't perform on the day, truth be told we haven't played well all championship. Even in the Ulster final we only really played well for a 10 minute spell either side of half time and were hanging on at the end. Part of me thought we'd improve for this one, but I suppose you can't just turn it on if you haven't been playing well for a while. Tyrone on the other hand built momentum steadily through the qualifiers and were primed for this. I underestimated the benefit of their run due to the teams they were playing, but really it was ideal for a young team like them looking to find their groove.
Some of the carry on near the end was embarrassing , I haven't read through the thread but I assume it's been discussed plenty so I won't dwell on it. On a positive note, some of Tyrone's players were fantastic, Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly particularly. Two talented lads who will run all day and don't seem to get involved in much of the off the ball shite. Both will be in the conversation for all-stars I'd say.
Quote from: Bingo on August 10, 2015, 11:49:41 AM
Moving on......
Big crossroads for Monaghan. Two big achievements for Monaghan this year, remaining and been competitive in the League and winning Ulster - these have been too rare round Monaghan not to be savoured and celebrated. An All-Ireland semi-final would have been the icing on a cake.
Losing in the manner on Saturday was not the way you wanted to end it. The headlines will read that they are a one man team, lack discipline and rely on the Ulster template to win matches. The Croke Park factor and championship football will also hang over their heads.
Goes without saying they will need a freshness. Will be some retirements - Dick, Lennon, Finlay and possibly Gollogy. None of them certain and will not know until the championship draw is made which influenced a few decisions last year.
Thankfully they seemed to prepare for that this year and Monaghan played a lot of football without these players but they will still be missed and few obvious replacements in the squad. They will likely have to adapt their play somewhat to lessen the influence of a big midfield that they will have and big midfields that they will face.
I struggle to see too many obvious candidates in club football that will fill this void. Club championship will be interesting this year. One or two from U21's would be the height of it.
Hopefully O'Rourke will stay on, think he has committed to it. But you could see why he'd head off if the right challenge came up!
Agree with alot of that. It's been a great year but this does take a bit of gloss off it a wee bit. At the end of the day though we won Ulster and that will always be a reason to celebrate. It did look like a year where we could push on, but we just didn't grab that opportunity.
I think we'll see a couple of retirements alright, but not half the squad as the likes of Colm O'Rourke would have you believe. It's a young enough team on the whole, but the area we'll undoubtedly suffer most is midfield. Lennon and Dick are the obvious candidates you would think. If they stay then great, but they owe the county nothing. Also think Jap could go even though he's a bit younger, but he has a lot of miles on the clock and his influence has been lessening over the last few years. Then you've Dessie and Vinny of a similar age profile to Jap but they're good for a few years yet as long as they want it. Jinxy maybe not as much but I still think he'll be there next year.
While there is some good young players coming through in defence and attack, we seem to have absolutely nothing in midfield. Is there anyone that stands out in club football? I certainly don't see anyone in the Lennon mould i.e big strong fellas who are good for winning clean kickouts, we're looking at having a very small midfield going forward.
While we're obviously never going to go man to man and abandon the defensive tactics that have brought us success, I would like to see a bit more positivity next year, and to give McManus more help with scoring. Owen Duffy for example scored a couple of lovely points when he came on and made me wonder while he didn't start as he was named to do. I can understand wanting to finish with a strong team too but still would have liked to see Duffy start. Also thought McGuinness could have come on earlier seeing as we needed scores and likely a goal, and he's probably our best goal scorer. It's a pity Jack McCarron's injury meant he didn't get a full season and hampered his chances this year, hopefully he comes back strong next year. Also I wonder would Conor McCarthy be ready to play, I'd like to see him given a chance in the league like the likes of McAnespie this year, as I've been impressed whenever I seen him for the county or Scotstown. Been a while since I watched him mind you but he looks promising. The forward line was the most impressive part of the 2013 minor team so hopefully the likes of McCarthy are ready for the step up from that.
Donegal takin her bad
https://thetirconaillview.wordpress.com/2015/08/10/mickey-harte-the-master-of-the-dark-arts/
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 10, 2015, 12:48:13 PM
We are involved too consistently to burry the heads, however, some of the reactions to us and pontification of the purity of others is mindless. I agree that a brief interview with McCann to hold his hands up, say he was out of order and will learn from his mistakes will take the heat of Tyrone in general but more importantly for the lad himself. As AZ said, we will bear the brunt of this on some occasion when we are fully innocent, whether that's a conscious action by a ref or losing out on the majority of 50/50s as a result of an almost unconscious thought that he's a Tyrone man, he's probably pulling my leg here.
As sensible as any comment I have seen on the matter. It would close it and move on.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 10, 2015, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 10, 2015, 11:27:28 AM
Lads the hyperbole is ridiculous. Tyrone do some stuff they shouldn't, no doubt about it. It's disappointing to see and I actually don't think they need to do it. But all this stuff being shouted from the rooftops is nuts.
Good to see this AZ. Some of the stuff on Saturday was really poor - McCann in particular - but the guff on here about Tyrone as the masters of darkness or something is laughable. Its been going on for a while now and is very unpleasant. Some in the media peddling this line should have a look at themselves.
Speaking of the media however I read Colm Keys calling on Tyrone to come out and make some kind of statement, an apology indeed, over the McCann incident. I would support that, it was an embarrassing moment and they should say he regrets it greatly - I'm sure he does - and that it won't happen again. Letting it pass without comment is wrong. Who knows, it might even start up a proper conversation about how widespread this shite is getting and how to to stop it, in 32 counties rather than just 1
I take it from your username that you're a Tyrone man. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU. I have never seen a Tyrone supporter providing such a balanced response.
Is it hyperbole on all of our parts? Possibly. I have never claimed that Tyrone are the only county doing it, of course they aren't. I would claim that they're the worst at it. That might be down to opinion. But they have generally been the common denominator in all the biggest incidents for 12 years or so. Or close to it.
I have also been infuriated by Tyrone fans responses over the past 12 years. They refuse to acknowledge that they are cynical at all, or brush over by pointing to other incidents by other teams. Does the term 'two wrongs don't make a right' mean anything to them?
They're a bloody good footballing county, and would have won the game the last day even more comfortably if they hadn't acted the bollox for the final ten minutes. Stick to the football lads. You're good at that. And your reputation will improve, thus helping your situation with referees. As it stands, I think they may get a very tough time up against Kerry the next day out.
Joe's match report spot on . . .
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-diving-stalling-meanspiritedness-the-tyronemonaghan-game-was-depressing-31437275.html
Quote from: screenexile on August 10, 2015, 01:46:29 PM
Joe's match report spot on . . .
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-diving-stalling-meanspiritedness-the-tyronemonaghan-game-was-depressing-31437275.html
Its complete hyperbole, the type of stuff Joe has made his name from.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 10, 2015, 02:39:56 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 10, 2015, 01:46:29 PM
Joe's match report spot on . . .
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-diving-stalling-meanspiritedness-the-tyronemonaghan-game-was-depressing-31437275.html
Its complete hyperbole, the type of stuff Joe has made his name from.
hyperbole
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Darren Hughes tousled Tiernan McCann's hair in the last quarter. McCann threw himself to the ground holding his face.
In the 39th minute Connor McAlliskey went down clutching his face, rolling on the ground. The crowd actually laughed. When the referee showed no interest, he sprang to his feet, joined the attack, received possession and kicked for a point, narrowly missing.
In the 53rd minute, Seán Cavanagh went to ground after minor contact and lay there for a full two minutes, apparently stricken. Eventually, he got slowly to his feet, checked his head again and within ten seconds was sprinting for a ball which he won.
In the 70th minute, brother Colm went down in identical fashion. He lay on the ground for two minutes (punctual boys the Cavanaghs). He then gingerly got to his feet holding his head. Then, miraculously, took off to receive a short pass. In fairness, they recover quickly.
Conor Meyler, the Croke Park debutant, provided the most hilarious moment of the day, throwing himself into a Monaghan player, then crumpling in a heap on the ground. In fairness to Marty, he got that one right.
The above is what happened. . . hardly hyperbole!!
The 53rd minute incident he refers to is when Finaly punched Cavanagh on the back of the head,something that most on here have a agreed should have been a red card.Hardly 'minor contact'.
maybe you take statements like 'The crowd actually laughed' and 'the conversation in Croke Park was all about whether we'll have a game at all in a decade's time.' literally, but i would call that hyperbole.
The thing is not one of Joe's observations mentioned any Monaghan action:
1. Beggan dropping like a stone
2. Finlay's dirty punch to Sean's head
3. K Hughes' manic behaviour all game (Inc a WWF style flying neck grab on Justy McM after a free had been given)
These are just some of the incidents that Joe's blind agenda fails to even acknowledge, never mind balance against Tyrone's indiscretions. FFS last week he was commending a cynical take down by a Kerry player, name escapes me at the minute.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 10, 2015, 11:27:28 AM
Lads the hyperbole is ridiculous. Tyrone do some stuff they shouldn't, no doubt about it. It's disappointing to see and I actually don't think they need to do it. But all this stuff being shouted from the rooftops is nuts.
Would have to second that. The McCann incident is indefensible but it's far from the first of its kind and in general I've never really understood why Tyrone seem to have a reputation above all others. Sean Cavanagh plays for frees but so do Conor McManus, James O'Donoghue and a heap of others. Beyond that I don't really get it.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 10, 2015, 12:48:13 PM
We are involved too consistently to burry the heads, however, some of the reactions to us and pontification of the purity of others is mindless. I agree that a brief interview with McCann to hold his hands up, say he was out of order and will learn from his mistakes will take the heat of Tyrone in general but more importantly for the lad himself. As AZ said, we will bear the brunt of this on some occasion when we are fully innocent, whether that's a conscious action by a ref or losing out on the majority of 50/50s as a result of an almost unconscious thought that he's a Tyrone man, he's probably pulling my leg here.
Bollix! All this calling for McCann to apologise is BS, if he wants to do it, ( I dont really see why) thats fine, not for any1 else to tell him what to do. Besides if he did there would be immediate calls of trying to play the media and influence referees
All this coming back to bite us is more BS, it would come back to bite us anyway even if we were the epitome of angelic purity. Have you seen the level of consistency of refereeing in football? Remember 96?
We in Armagh tend to remember the Marsden moment in 03, but for all that it wasn't Tyrone that sent him off, three or four officials got it wrong. Likewise with McCann, embarrassing dive yes but it was Marty Duffy and his officials who sent Hughes to the line. I am not a fan of Tyrone, however the great Dubs and the Kerry aristocrats are every bit as cynical. Refereeing in football in particular but even in hurling needs help particularly in big games. There is video available so why not use it to prove guilt or innocence beyond doubt.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 10, 2015, 03:49:51 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 10, 2015, 12:48:13 PM
We are involved too consistently to burry the heads, however, some of the reactions to us and pontification of the purity of others is mindless. I agree that a brief interview with McCann to hold his hands up, say he was out of order and will learn from his mistakes will take the heat of Tyrone in general but more importantly for the lad himself. As AZ said, we will bear the brunt of this on some occasion when we are fully innocent, whether that's a conscious action by a ref or losing out on the majority of 50/50s as a result of an almost unconscious thought that he's a Tyrone man, he's probably pulling my leg here.
Bollix! All this calling for McCann to apologise is BS, if he wants to do it, ( I dont really see why) thats fine, not for any1 else to tell him what to do. Besides if he did there would be immediate calls of trying to play the media and influence referees
All this coming back to bite us is more BS, it would come back to bite us anyway even if we were the epitome of angelic purity. Have you seen the level of consistency of refereeing in football? Remember 96?
exactly...he was pulled down by the hair and tripped sure :o
In my view myler was rightly black carded. It was a stupid thing to do and he will learn from it. Mccann no doubt will be rightly embarrassed by what he did (was awful to see). But tyrones performance overall deserved the victory, they have really surprised me this year and should be commended for getting as far as they have. I thought they had a great chance off beating kerry until last night's Sunday game. I know think that they will find it extremely difficult to get frees even if they are deserved. Some will say they have only themselves to blame but I feel some of the over analysis is embarrassing. Both teams were at it on Saturday to point out 1 teams transgressions and totally over look the others is unacceptable. Whoever referees the semi will be under huge pressure to penalise tyrone and that ain't right. These guys have a responsibility to give a fair analysis and not pick one teams transgressions over the others.
I've never been a huge follower of tyrone county football (more interested in the club scene)but I really hope they get to the final and do themselves justice.
Quote from: JoG2 on August 10, 2015, 04:18:24 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 10, 2015, 03:49:51 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 10, 2015, 12:48:13 PM
We are involved too consistently to burry the heads, however, some of the reactions to us and pontification of the purity of others is mindless. I agree that a brief interview with McCann to hold his hands up, say he was out of order and will learn from his mistakes will take the heat of Tyrone in general but more importantly for the lad himself. As AZ said, we will bear the brunt of this on some occasion when we are fully innocent, whether that's a conscious action by a ref or losing out on the majority of 50/50s as a result of an almost unconscious thought that he's a Tyrone man, he's probably pulling my leg here.
Bollix! All this calling for McCann to apologise is BS, if he wants to do it, ( I dont really see why) thats fine, not for any1 else to tell him what to do. Besides if he did there would be immediate calls of trying to play the media and influence referees
All this coming back to bite us is more BS, it would come back to bite us anyway even if we were the epitome of angelic purity. Have you seen the level of consistency of refereeing in football? Remember 96?
exactly...he was pulled down by the hair and tripped sure :o
Thank God someone agrees with me at last regarding this incident, and a renowned Tyrone hater too. I thought I was going mad!
I'm an Armagh man and proud of it. Mickey harte's Tyrone teams have caused me no end of pain over the years. I don't want to see then win and I don't apologise for it. However, I do not believe that he tells his players to go out and get involved in the nonsense they do. Cavanagh would be at that regardless I believe. As would the likes of ricey, Jordan, Gotmley etc. younger players groping up probably took inspiration from those guys.
As for Harte himself, I've grudging respect for him as a manager. As a person, I have complete admiration for the man.
McAdam should have been sent off at the start of the second half for striking McAliskey.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 10, 2015, 05:49:35 PM
McAdam should have been sent taken off at the start of the second half for striking McAliskey.
Fixed.
RTE are a disgrace with their biased hysterical reporting which feeds the unknowledgable hysteria of the masses. Watched that game last night and the over the top stuff came from Monaghan throughout the game and went unpunished. There was some regrettable nonsense at the end but nowhere near the piece of space that Joe Brolly or Colm O Rourke inhabit. When Finlay came on he was on to hit all round him and shouldnt have been allowed 5 minutes by the referee. I suspect we may start to see anti RTE /O Rourke/Brolly banners in the terraces because Tyrone people are very angry at this lynching. Tyrone has had enough of these imposters. Clearly playing out anti Tyrone agendas discrediting only themselves and the so called national broadcaster.
RTE want to write the rules, bully a county into communicating with them who have damned good reasons not for talking to them, and decide that county's fate in the all ireland.
judge jury and executioner...
Harte has been interviewed now and said that mccann regrets his actions.
Quote from: Hospital Road on August 10, 2015, 06:10:26 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on August 10, 2015, 03:41:42 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 10, 2015, 11:27:28 AM
Lads the hyperbole is ridiculous. Tyrone do some stuff they shouldn't, no doubt about it. It's disappointing to see and I actually don't think they need to do it. But all this stuff being shouted from the rooftops is nuts.
Would have to second that. The McCann incident is indefensible but it's far from the first of its kind and in general I've never really understood why Tyrone seem to have a reputation above all others. Sean Cavanagh plays for frees but so do Conor McManus, James O'Donoghue and a heap of others. Beyond that I don't really get it.
It is because that most people growing up in the 26 counties are a bunch of sheep that lack an ability to think for themselves.
The education system in the south, schools run by the Catholic church especially, fails in developing students with critical thinking skills. After the founding of the state, the church knew that having almost complete control of education could see them mould the Irish people into being docile and not challenge the status quo. Rote learning is good for building up knowledge but it discourages students from trying much beyond social norms especially outside urban areas. The result today is a society that is stiflingly conformist even with the Catholic church not being as strong as they were. But their influences still live on. Martin Luther was right when he said that the catholic idea of good works lead to corruption. And corruption exists in many forms in Irish life at local and national levels. The cute hoor is celebrated where they cover each others tracks in deceit as much as they can. Deference to men who are seen as learned without question is ingrained. For a long time no one questioned the parish priest of bishop. It leads to a clan and chieftain system of local communities. In most western European countries Sean Quinn would be a national villain looking at a long stretch in jail.
Tyrones big problem is that they can be as corrupt as many of their fellow men and women on this island. But they are not as cute except for maybe Mickey Harte. McCanns actions on Saturday were bad but the piousness of many criticising him and Tyrone GAA as a whole is one lacking critical theory, rationality, constructive evidence and reasoning. Instead they behave and act with selective stories and emotion, deferring to 'learned men' to speak on their behalf simply because they struggle to think then act. Just let someone else who appears smart do it. The thing is that most Irish people are very knowledgeable, but that does not mean that they are smart. To be smart goes beyond just having knowledge, its about how you act with that knowledge which many Irish people are poor at doing. So they fall behind the likes of school teachers and lawyers to speak for them. Most people who developed thinking skills and went against the grain in Ireland did one of two things, either go abroad where their thoughts and talents were more accepted, or stay at home and try and get into a social class giving them a status where people below them were willing to defer to you and if you did that, you were set for life.
So because some people choose to criticise Tiarnan McCann for diving and cheating, you can deduce that an entire educational system, and a state and a worldwide religion is fundamentally flawed and to blame. And it is to blame for everything else as well.
Now here is the self-proclaimed king of critical thinking:
Quote from: Hospital Road on August 10, 2015, 12:39:56 PM
Ive looked at it several times. Quigley stood his ground, Cluxton with ball charged straight into Quigley, Cluxton bounces off lardarse and goes back with ball behind goal line. A fair goal I think.
And he is describing this:
(http://c1.thejournal.ie/media/2015/08/fermanagh-goal.gif)
Wow is all I can say.
Stop playing the man muppet
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 10, 2015, 06:25:32 PM
Harte has been interviewed now and said that mccann regrets his actions.
Here we go
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/gaelic-games/33853397
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 10, 2015, 06:34:51 PM
Stop playing the man muppet
Good man.
Well played.
It's you isn't it?
I knew it couldn't be anything other than a sock puppet.
Gutlessly slagging of Quigley as 'lardarse' gave the game away.
Quote from: Hospital Road on August 10, 2015, 06:10:26 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on August 10, 2015, 03:41:42 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 10, 2015, 11:27:28 AM
Lads the hyperbole is ridiculous. Tyrone do some stuff they shouldn't, no doubt about it. It's disappointing to see and I actually don't think they need to do it. But all this stuff being shouted from the rooftops is nuts.
Would have to second that. The McCann incident is indefensible but it's far from the first of its kind and in general I've never really understood why Tyrone seem to have a reputation above all others. Sean Cavanagh plays for frees but so do Conor McManus, James O'Donoghue and a heap of others. Beyond that I don't really get it.
It is because that most people growing up in the 26 counties are a bunch of sheep that lack an ability to think for themselves.
The education system in the south, schools run by the Catholic church especially, fails in developing students with critical thinking skills. After the founding of the state, the church knew that having almost complete control of education could see them mould the Irish people into being docile and not challenge the status quo. Rote learning is good for building up knowledge but it discourages students from trying much beyond social norms especially outside urban areas. The result today is a society that is stiflingly conformist even with the Catholic church not being as strong as they were. But their influences still live on. Martin Luther was right when he said that the catholic idea of good works lead to corruption. And corruption exists in many forms in Irish life at local and national levels. The cute hoor is celebrated where they cover each others tracks in deceit as much as they can. Deference to men who are seen as learned without question is ingrained. For a long time no one questioned the parish priest of bishop. It leads to a clan and chieftain system of local communities. In most western European countries Sean Quinn would be a national villain looking at a long stretch in jail.
Tyrones big problem is that they can be as corrupt as many of their fellow men and women on this island. But they are not as cute except for maybe Mickey Harte. McCanns actions on Saturday were bad but the piousness of many criticising him and Tyrone GAA as a whole is one lacking critical theory, rationality, constructive evidence and reasoning. Instead they behave and act with selective stories and emotion, deferring to 'learned men' to speak on their behalf simply because they struggle to think then act. Just let someone else who appears smart do it. The thing is that most Irish people are very knowledgeable, but that does not mean that they are smart. To be smart goes beyond just having knowledge, its about how you act with that knowledge which many Irish people are poor at doing. So they fall behind the likes of school teachers and lawyers to speak for them. Most people who developed thinking skills and went against the grain in Ireland did one of two things, either go abroad where their thoughts and talents were more accepted, or stay at home and try and get into a social class giving them a status where people below them were willing to defer to you and if you did that, you were set for life.
I'd vote for this man.
Down with the southerners.
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 06:39:03 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 10, 2015, 06:34:51 PM
Stop playing the man muppet
Good man.
Well played.
It's you isn't it?
I knew it couldn't be anything other than a sock puppet.
Gutlessly slagging of Quigley as 'lardarse' gave the game away.
Feck it feck it feck it!
Thats two of my covers blown today already!
Its cool having multiple egos you can get mad and get gratification for proving yourself right and wrong at the same time.
Its entertaining altho since my subconscious is the only one actually enjoying the show I am having difficultly quantifying it.
Tyrone getting absolutely hammered on every radio station and in every newspaper today. Can't ever remember a less popular side. Martin Carney just compared them to UFC fighters.
Quote from: Hospital Road on August 10, 2015, 06:55:30 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2015, 06:39:39 PMI'd vote for this man.
Down with the southerners.
Northerners should not be that smug themselves. While following a different curriculum, catholic schools up here don't support much critical thinking themselves. Also most of the top schools for A-Level results are catholic grammars but many pupils from these schools have higher than average university drop out rates. Too much rote learning and spoon feeding by teachers get shown up at third level.
O'Neill, here is an example of critical thinking for you:
Quote from: Hospital Road on June 03, 2011, 10:53:45 AM
If you cannot afford an ipad, just gent a big plastic c**k and stick it on your forehead. It will do the same thing really.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2015, 06:56:05 PMMartin Carney just compared them to UFC fighters.
Jesus Christ
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QuoteTyrone getting absolutely hammered on every radio station and in every newspaper today. Can't ever remember a less popular side. Martin Carney just compared them to UFC fighters.
We are wallowing in all the attention! The establishment fear us, hence the faux-outrage! 🙈🙉🙊
Quote from: muppet on August 10, 2015, 06:57:25 PM
Quote from: Hospital Road on August 10, 2015, 06:55:30 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2015, 06:39:39 PMI'd vote for this man.
Down with the southerners.
Northerners should not be that smug themselves. While following a different curriculum, catholic schools up here don't support much critical thinking themselves. Also most of the top schools for A-Level results are catholic grammars but many pupils from these schools have higher than average university drop out rates. Too much rote learning and spoon feeding by teachers get shown up at third level.
O'Neill, here is an example of critical thinking for you:
Quote from: Hospital Road on June 03, 2011, 10:53:45 AM
If you cannot afford an ipad, just gent a big plastic c**k and stick it on your forehead. It will do the same thing really.
I should point out that the ego for that post is not the same as the ego that has been posting on this thread.
Therefore it is unfair to compare the two.
If it was up to this ego I would create multiple accounts for every ego except some of the egos are complete knaves, untrustworthy lazy hoors.
Fortunately this ego is at least honest and upstanding
Quote from: Hospital Road on August 10, 2015, 06:55:30 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2015, 06:39:39 PMI'd vote for this man.
Down with the southerners.
Northerners should not be that smug themselves. While following a different curriculum, catholic schools up here don't support much critical thinking themselves. Also most of the top schools for A-Level results are catholic grammars but many pupils from these schools have higher than average university drop out rates. Too much rote learning and spoon feeding by teachers get shown up at third level.
You've just lost a vote big man.
there Tyrone chappies make a lot of noise for a county with only 3 all-Irelands,most kerry people have at least that many and are likeable
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2015, 06:56:05 PM
Tyrone getting absolutely hammered on every radio station and in every newspaper today. Can't ever remember a less popular side. Martin Carney just compared them to UFC fighters.
Hold the front page....southern media hammer a northern team!
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2015, 06:56:05 PM
Tyrone getting absolutely hammered on every radio station and in every newspaper today. Can't ever remember a less popular side. Martin Carney just compared them to UFC fighters.
Any chance of a few links?
It's gone overboard now.
They are a kn**ker team but there's been plenty of them before.
Really it' s the diving and verbals that make them so unliked. But in terms of being knackers there has definitely been their equal before and probably worse really.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2015, 06:56:05 PM
Tyrone getting absolutely hammered on every radio station and in every newspaper today. Can't ever remember a less popular side. Martin Carney just compared them to UFC fighters.
They're confusing us with a county that gives a shit
Quote from: red hander on August 10, 2015, 08:43:41 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2015, 06:56:05 PM
Tyrone getting absolutely hammered on every radio station and in every newspaper today. Can't ever remember a less popular side. Martin Carney just compared them to UFC fighters.
They're confusing us with a county that gives a shit
You do an awful good impression of caring so.
QuoteThey are a kn**ker team but there's been plenty of them before.
Really it' s the diving and verbals that make them so unliked. But in terms of being knackers there has definitely been their equal before and probably worse really.
And as someone from Dublin we cannot doubt you know everything there is to know about knackers.
Quote from: Over the Bar on August 10, 2015, 09:08:48 PM
QuoteThey are a kn**ker team but there's been plenty of them before.
Really it' s the diving and verbals that make them so unliked. But in terms of being knackers there has definitely been their equal before and probably worse really.
And as someone from Dublin we cannot doubt you know everything there is to know about knackers.
Well we sold plenty of HIACE vans on Saturday.Supply and demand
Will never get used to the self-elevating use of the word 'kn**ker' down here. Do ye always have some group of people to morally distance yourselves from?
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 10, 2015, 06:25:32 PM
Harte has been interviewed now and said that mccann regrets his actions.
laughing today in irish news
philip Jordan commenting on it
now he would know about playacting in croke park ::)
Quote from: naka on August 10, 2015, 09:39:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 10, 2015, 06:25:32 PM
Harte has been interviewed now and said that mccann regrets his actions.
laughing today in irish news
philip Jordan commenting on it
now he would know about playacting in croke park ::)
I thought this was the ultimate irony!
Quote from: naka on August 10, 2015, 09:39:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 10, 2015, 06:25:32 PM
Harte has been interviewed now and said that mccann regrets his actions.
laughing today in irish news
philip Jordan commenting on it
now he would know about playacting in croke park ::)
Just read his column and no mention whatsoever of the Marsden incident. Huge levels of hypocrisy from Jordan.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 10, 2015, 09:28:45 PM
Will never get used to the self-elevating use of the word 'kn**ker' down here. Do ye always have some group of people to morally distance yourselves from?
Dublin and Tyrone we're all united in being knackers in the quest for Sam.
Viva la Revolution
Quote from: INDIANA on August 10, 2015, 10:03:48 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 10, 2015, 09:28:45 PM
Will never get used to the self-elevating use of the word 'kn**ker' down here. Do ye always have some group of people to morally distance yourselves from?
Dublin and Tyrone we're all united in being knackers in the quest for Sam.
Viva la Revolution
Has someone hacked your account Indie?
Quote from: naka on August 10, 2015, 09:39:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 10, 2015, 06:25:32 PM
Harte has been interviewed now and said that mccann regrets his actions.
laughing today in irish news
philip Jordan commenting on it
now he would know about playacting in croke park ::)
I'm sure he regrets diving and feigning injury. It has followed him around ever since. Could have been a legend number 7 in my eyes only for that. He may have 3 medals but I'm sure he still regrets getting a fellow player sent off.
Quote from: outside-the-wire on August 11, 2015, 09:09:31 AM
Quote from: naka on August 10, 2015, 09:39:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 10, 2015, 06:25:32 PM
Harte has been interviewed now and said that mccann regrets his actions.
laughing today in irish news
philip Jordan commenting on it
now he would know about playacting in croke park ::)
I'm sure he regrets diving and feigning injury. It has followed him around ever since. Could have been a legend number 7 in my eyes only for that. He may have 3 medals but I'm sure he still regrets getting a fellow player sent off.
I'd say it hasn't followed him around as much as it's followed Marsden around - costing your county a second all ireland for raising your fists in an all ireland final!
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2015, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: naka on August 10, 2015, 09:39:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 10, 2015, 06:25:32 PM
Harte has been interviewed now and said that mccann regrets his actions.
laughing today in irish news
philip Jordan commenting on it
now he would know about playacting in croke park ::)
Just read his column and no mention whatsoever of the Marsden incident. Huge levels of hypocrisy from Jordan.
Im not sure you can compare the McCann & Jordan incidents at all
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 11, 2015, 09:49:47 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2015, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: naka on August 10, 2015, 09:39:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 10, 2015, 06:25:32 PM
Harte has been interviewed now and said that mccann regrets his actions.
laughing today in irish news
philip Jordan commenting on it
now he would know about playacting in croke park ::)
Just read his column and no mention whatsoever of the Marsden incident. Huge levels of hypocrisy from Jordan.
Im not sure you can compare the McCann & Jordan incidents at all
Err...Diving / feigning injury / simulation / trying to get a player sent off / unsporting / both from Tyrone....not comparable?
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 11, 2015, 09:49:47 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2015, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: naka on August 10, 2015, 09:39:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 10, 2015, 06:25:32 PM
Harte has been interviewed now and said that mccann regrets his actions.
laughing today in irish news
philip Jordan commenting on it
now he would know about playacting in croke park ::)
Just read his column and no mention whatsoever of the Marsden incident. Huge levels of hypocrisy from Jordan.
Im not sure you can compare the McCann & Jordan incidents at all
Yes you can
Both feigned injury and ensured a player was sent off
on my book they are similiar
Quote from: naka on August 11, 2015, 09:59:38 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 11, 2015, 09:49:47 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2015, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: naka on August 10, 2015, 09:39:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 10, 2015, 06:25:32 PM
Harte has been interviewed now and said that mccann regrets his actions.
laughing today in irish news
philip Jordan commenting on it
now he would know about playacting in croke park ::)
Just read his column and no mention whatsoever of the Marsden incident. Huge levels of hypocrisy from Jordan.
Im not sure you can compare the McCann & Jordan incidents at all
Yes you can
Both feigned injury and ensured a player was sent off
on my book they are similiar
Are you sure of that? I'd be fairy certain the reason Darren Hughes was lined was for the rugby tackle on Colm Cavanagh that preceded.
Quote from: shezam on August 11, 2015, 10:42:45 AM
Quote from: naka on August 11, 2015, 09:59:38 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 11, 2015, 09:49:47 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2015, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: naka on August 10, 2015, 09:39:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 10, 2015, 06:25:32 PM
Harte has been interviewed now and said that mccann regrets his actions.
laughing today in irish news
philip Jordan commenting on it
now he would know about playacting in croke park ::)
Just read his column and no mention whatsoever of the Marsden incident. Huge levels of hypocrisy from Jordan.
Im not sure you can compare the McCann & Jordan incidents at all
Yes you can
Both feigned injury and ensured a player was sent off
on my book they are similiar
Are you sure of that? I'd be fairy certain the reason Darren Hughes was lined was for the rugby tackle on Colm Cavanagh that preceded.
The tackle on Colm Cavanagh was crude and late but hardly a red.
I've been on this board a very long time but I've never felt the need to post before. Before saying anything though, I will admit to being a Tyrone man and a Tyrone supporter. I'm as prone to a rant as the next man, but I'm a firm believer in if you're going to rant, at least be aware of the facts and attempt to be objective in your analysis.
Some of the vitriol directed here at Tyrone is beyond the pale. It has gotten under my skin. Don't get me wrong, as a Tyrone man I am ashamed of some of the playacting that went on, but don't call me or anyone else from Tyrone "scum" because of what happened on a football pitch. Growing up playing football, if a man hit you and you felt it you never let on, for fear that he would know he had hurt you – the opposite now seems to be true. There seems to be a dilution of the pride in oneself that was instilled in me as youngster to be hard and strong but also fair and sportsmanlike in all dealings, both on and off the pitch. However I think that in the last number of years the benefits of forgetting this facet of the games we all love has been lost in the win at all costs mentality that has filtered down through our games.
Yes Tyrone do seem to be the common denominator in these unsavoury incidents and I'm not denying that but to suggest that this is coached in to players is laughable. Do people actually think that Tyrone teams sit in the conference room in Garvaghey and watch a Powerpoint on what to say or do to opposition players to get a result? I'll allow people to come to their own conclusions on that. However, I do feel that the constant discussion about Tyrone's "dirty tricks" has helped perpetuate this notion and I fear that it may be too late to try and salvage the reputation of this Tyrone team as the Anti-Tyrone juggernaut has gathered pace.
Anyway, back to Saturday's game. Tyrone were the better team and on the balance of the game as a whole deserved to win. I don't think anyone will deny that. Tyrone have surpassed all outsiders expectations this year and they must be congratulated for that, I think everyone, including myself had written them off for the season.
As for the media reporting of the match – I'd like to think that I've watched enough football and have a good understanding of the rules to draw my own conclusions as to what happened in the match and don't need to rely on others to forge my opinions. That's all I'll say on that.
The issues arise when Tyrone have been subjected to a trial by media, social media and armchair fans. I'm just going to state what happened in the game and what I feel should I have happened/did happen. Everyone has the right to disagree but please add more to retort to my analysis than "sure you would say that, you're from Tyrone". As I said at the start – I will try to be objective.
1. Darren Hughes connected with McAliskey (or maybe McCurry's) head with a knee. I think this was accidental though he may have been booked for this (not sure as I haven't watched the game again)
2. Conor Meyler checked his run to run in to Kieran Hughes. Kieran Hughes also stepped out of his line to run in to Conor Meyler. By my reading of the incident, both parties were as guilty as one another. Meyler looked a little more clumsy by wrapping his arms around Hughes, whereas Hughes' experience told by keeping his arms out. I believe that this swayed the referee in to not giving a black card to Hughes. I feel his black card for Meyler was the correct call, although Hughes should also have received one.
3. Paul Finlay tackled Sean Cavanagh with a closed fist shortly after coming on, connecting with his head in the process – in my book that is a sending off. I think that Finlay was booked for the same incident.
4. Paul Finlay later attempted to tackle Peter Harte, again with a closed fist. This time he caught Harte high. He was booked for the second time and sent off. It could easily have been a straight red but the same result applied. Correct Call.
5. Ronan McNamee was spotted by the Umpire punching a Monaghan player – this was seen when Duffy was speaking to the umpire who showed a punching action. McNamee received a second yellow – this should have been red.
6. The Tiernan McCann incident – now this is my opinion on it and again I will be as objective as possible. My honest opinion is that Hughes was going to receive a black card for the pull down on Colm Cavanagh as he was coming out of defence. Marty Duffy has clearly pulled his book out of his pocket as he walks over to Hughes and before Hughes touched McCann. Hughes had already received a yellow card so Yellow + Black = Red. He was already going to be sent off before he touched Tiernan McCann. Until the referee's report comes out we won't know what he was sent off for. What happened afterwards has been debated to the high heavens here. I don't believe that Tiernan McCann is proud of his actions, in fact I suspect he will be embarrassed by them and it is something that will probably follow him around until he either does something spectacular or has a long and distinguished career with Tyrone (although seeing how the Philip Jordan/Marsden incident has had an effect of Jordan's legacy, I can't see this incident being forgotten about, and rightly so). It was a poor reflection on our games, not just in Tyrone, but all over Ireland and the world. Tiernan McCann will learn. However, and I am in no way justifying his actions or giving any standing to them, the unfortunate thing is, he was not the first and he most certainly won't be the last to feign injury in the attempt to get an opposition player reprimanded – this is where the real problem lies.
There were other things that happened in the match, from both sides that frustrated me – players lying down, slowing down the clock (both teams), Kieran Hughes attempting to kick the ball out of a Tyrone player's hands (think it was Petey Harte) as he was about to take a free, the constant flapping of arms at the referee (Cavanagh). The list goes on but I'm not going to pick apart the game any more. You all seen it for yourselves. Looking back through the different incidents in the match, there was always a constant niggle and everyone knew before the match that it was going to be a dogfight. Familiarity breeds contempt.
However, when all is said and done, we the supporters, must remember one thing. We are all one and the same. These are our games and we are rightly proud of them. Yes, things get heated in the course of a match and the fall out from it, but we should take our lead from the players. I have no doubt that come October/November Darren Hughes and Tiernan McCann will share a drink and a laugh about the incident at the Allstars or some other event and let bygones be bygones and forget about the incident with the moniker that "that's football". It's important yes, but it's not life and death and some people need to remember that. You cannot tar an entire county and its people as "scum", "knackers" or whatever other derogatory term because of 70minutes of football. We're all better than that.
Good first post Hughie. Welcome. As I've said on other threads, the trial by media and the subsequent outrage is unfair. As I said, I think Tyrone have gone over the edge, in trying to get an edge, and the verbals and such have contributed to the bad rap. They could really help themselves by reining that back in. I don't actually believe that Tyrone indulge in cynical fouling or diving much more than many other counties. Every game I watch sees a lad diving. Granted McCann let himself down with his dive to get Hughes sent off, but Aidan O'Mahoney did something very similar v Cork a while ago. That was seen for what it was. An embarrassing incident for O'Mahoney, and something that shouldn't happen. It wasn't seen as some sort of stick to beat Kerry with. McCanns should be the same. A silly, stupid act which brings no credit to himself or Tyrone, but that's it.
Quote from: phpearse on August 09, 2015, 11:47:59 PM
Some of the Tyrone lads could take a leaf out of Michael Murphy's book. Took a box to the mouth and stood his ground. There's a lot to be said about manning up in these situations and quit the messing. McCann should be seriously embarrassed with what happened yesterday. Why would a player do that? How would you even think of diving when someone touches your hair. You first reaction would be to push them away not falling to the ground. That was ridiculous and it will likely reck his head now and he won't be the same player in the next game (if he plays, I see Colm O'Rourke has asked for him to be banned, which will likely happen now). Would you not think that Sean Cavanagh would be embarrassed at this stage as well? FFS man stand up and stop acting the maggot. Sublime at times and ridiculous at other times.
I don't care how the Monaghan players behaved themselves in the last 1/4 of that game. The joy of winning at match is Croke Park soon looses it's shine when you see shite like that on TV afterwards. It doesn't have to happen, what it shows is a lack of self belief that the football ability isn't there to kill a game off that they were leading comfortably. They thought they needed to mess and feck about in the last 15 to see out the game when they could have held their head and finished the game strongly. Young team but sometimes the tone is set but the elders on the team and Cavanagh can set a bad example at times.
Strange the way people see things differently , I thought Murphy was have a 'Tyrone moment' and his actions were anything but manning up. He had a lengthy involved altercation where it clearly looked like he was the aggressor, finally the Mayo lad gave him a slap and Murphy went pleading to the umpire as if to say 'did you see that' 'tell the ref about it'. And didn't all that happen in added time?
There's no way that McCann should be singled out and scapegoated, McCann's just a foot soldier, there's way too much focus on the individual, whereas the pertinent issue has more to do with the type of structured, methodical cynicism that Tyrone have as an integral part of their game and it clearly comes from the top down. Other teams do not come close to this. And the glaringly obvious bit, is that Tyrone don't need it they have a very skillful bunch of players who can play an exciting brand of fast paced football.
Before the black card, given a set of circumstances, teams/players would do anything (including decapitation) in the last 5 minutes to save a game. The black card has clearly effected that and also effected the fouling to slow down the counterattack. Now the goalposts have shifted.
Quote from: Hughie on August 11, 2015, 12:09:06 PM
6. The Tiernan McCann incident – now this is my opinion on it and again I will be as objective as possible. My honest opinion is that Hughes was going to receive a black card for the pull down on Colm Cavanagh as he was coming out of defence. Marty Duffy has clearly pulled his book out of his pocket as he walks over to Hughes and before Hughes touched McCann. Hughes had already received a yellow card so Yellow + Black = Red. He was already going to be sent off before he touched Tiernan McCann. Until the referee's report comes out we won't know what he was sent off for. What happened afterwards has been debated to the high heavens here. I don't believe that Tiernan McCann is proud of his actions, in fact I suspect he will be embarrassed by them and it is something that will probably follow him around until he either does something spectacular or has a long and distinguished career with Tyrone (although seeing how the Philip Jordan/Marsden incident has had an effect of Jordan's legacy, I can't see this incident being forgotten about, and rightly so). It was a poor reflection on our games, not just in Tyrone, but all over Ireland and the world. Tiernan McCann will learn. However, and I am in no way justifying his actions or giving any standing to them, the unfortunate thing is, he was not the first and he most certainly won't be the last to feign injury in the attempt to get an opposition player reprimanded – this is where the real problem lies.
Sorry, but that's not being objective that's imagining something that didn't happen. Duffy showed a Hughes a straight red card because of McCann's dive. Simple, nothing else to it. He did not produce a black or yellow. He may have been going to as the tackle on Cavanagh certainly warranted a yellow and Duffy might well put something else in his report but it was obvious on the television coverage that he couldn't wait to get the red card out when he saw McCann fall. An awful referee who should never get another match. Duffy has just as much reason to be embarrassed by the incident as Tiarnan McCann.
Quote from: Fr. Cyril McDuff on August 11, 2015, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: Hughie on August 11, 2015, 12:09:06 PM
6. The Tiernan McCann incident – now this is my opinion on it and again I will be as objective as possible. My honest opinion is that Hughes was going to receive a black card for the pull down on Colm Cavanagh as he was coming out of defence. Marty Duffy has clearly pulled his book out of his pocket as he walks over to Hughes and before Hughes touched McCann. Hughes had already received a yellow card so Yellow + Black = Red. He was already going to be sent off before he touched Tiernan McCann. Until the referee’s report comes out we won’t know what he was sent off for. What happened afterwards has been debated to the high heavens here. I don’t believe that Tiernan McCann is proud of his actions, in fact I suspect he will be embarrassed by them and it is something that will probably follow him around until he either does something spectacular or has a long and distinguished career with Tyrone (although seeing how the Philip Jordan/Marsden incident has had an effect of Jordan’s legacy, I can’t see this incident being forgotten about, and rightly so). It was a poor reflection on our games, not just in Tyrone, but all over Ireland and the world. Tiernan McCann will learn. However, and I am in no way justifying his actions or giving any standing to them, the unfortunate thing is, he was not the first and he most certainly won’t be the last to feign injury in the attempt to get an opposition player reprimanded – this is where the real problem lies.
Sorry, but that's not being objective that's imagining something that didn't happen. Duffy showed a Hughes a straight red card because of McCann's dive. Simple, nothing else to it. He did not produce a black or yellow. He may have been going to as the tackle on Cavanagh certainly warranted a yellow and Duffy might well put something else in his report but it was obvious on the television coverage that he couldn't wait to get the red card out when he saw McCann fall. An awful referee who should never get another match. Duffy has just as much reason to be embarrassed by the incident as Tiarnan McCann.
If it does come out that that is why Duffy sent him off you're right, Duffy should be embarrassed and if Hughes did get a straight red for striking McCann it will undoubtedly be rescinded. I didn't see the colour of the card(s) that were shown and my immediate take on it was that it was a second yellow/black. I'll hold my hands up if that wasn't the case. I think we can agree though that Darren Hughes was going to be/should have been sent off whether he had touched McCann or not for his tackle on Colm Cavanagh (a second yellow/black).
Quote from: Schkite on August 10, 2015, 12:52:08 PM
That was some let down on Saturday. When alls said and done, Tyrone were the better team and deserved the win. We just didn't perform on the day, truth be told we haven't played well all championship. Even in the Ulster final we only really played well for a 10 minute spell either side of half time and were hanging on at the end. Part of me thought we'd improve for this one, but I suppose you can't just turn it on if you haven't been playing well for a while. Tyrone on the other hand built momentum steadily through the qualifiers and were primed for this. I underestimated the benefit of their run due to the teams they were playing, but really it was ideal for a young team like them looking to find their groove.
Some of the carry on near the end was embarrassing , I haven't read through the thread but I assume it's been discussed plenty so I won't dwell on it. On a positive note, some of Tyrone's players were fantastic, Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly particularly. Two talented lads who will run all day and don't seem to get involved in much of the off the ball shite. Both will be in the conversation for all-stars I'd say.
Quote from: Bingo on August 10, 2015, 11:49:41 AM
Moving on......
Big crossroads for Monaghan. Two big achievements for Monaghan this year, remaining and been competitive in the League and winning Ulster - these have been too rare round Monaghan not to be savoured and celebrated. An All-Ireland semi-final would have been the icing on a cake.
Losing in the manner on Saturday was not the way you wanted to end it. The headlines will read that they are a one man team, lack discipline and rely on the Ulster template to win matches. The Croke Park factor and championship football will also hang over their heads.
Goes without saying they will need a freshness. Will be some retirements - Dick, Lennon, Finlay and possibly Gollogy. None of them certain and will not know until the championship draw is made which influenced a few decisions last year.
Thankfully they seemed to prepare for that this year and Monaghan played a lot of football without these players but they will still be missed and few obvious replacements in the squad. They will likely have to adapt their play somewhat to lessen the influence of a big midfield that they will have and big midfields that they will face.
I struggle to see too many obvious candidates in club football that will fill this void. Club championship will be interesting this year. One or two from U21's would be the height of it.
Hopefully O'Rourke will stay on, think he has committed to it. But you could see why he'd head off if the right challenge came up!
Agree with alot of that. It's been a great year but this does take a bit of gloss off it a wee bit. At the end of the day though we won Ulster and that will always be a reason to celebrate. It did look like a year where we could push on, but we just didn't grab that opportunity.
I think we'll see a couple of retirements alright, but not half the squad as the likes of Colm O'Rourke would have you believe. It's a young enough team on the whole, but the area we'll undoubtedly suffer most is midfield. Lennon and Dick are the obvious candidates you would think. If they stay then great, but they owe the county nothing. Also think Jap could go even though he's a bit younger, but he has a lot of miles on the clock and his influence has been lessening over the last few years. Then you've Dessie and Vinny of a similar age profile to Jap but they're good for a few years yet as long as they want it. Jinxy maybe not as much but I still think he'll be there next year.
While there is some good young players coming through in defence and attack, we seem to have absolutely nothing in midfield. Is there anyone that stands out in club football? I certainly don't see anyone in the Lennon mould i.e big strong fellas who are good for winning clean kickouts, we're looking at having a very small midfield going forward.
While we're obviously never going to go man to man and abandon the defensive tactics that have brought us success, I would like to see a bit more positivity next year, and to give McManus more help with scoring. Owen Duffy for example scored a couple of lovely points when he came on and made me wonder while he didn't start as he was named to do. I can understand wanting to finish with a strong team too but still would have liked to see Duffy start. Also thought McGuinness could have come on earlier seeing as we needed scores and likely a goal, and he's probably our best goal scorer. It's a pity Jack McCarron's injury meant he didn't get a full season and hampered his chances this year, hopefully he comes back strong next year. Also I wonder would Conor McCarthy be ready to play, I'd like to see him given a chance in the league like the likes of McAnespie this year, as I've been impressed whenever I seen him for the county or Scotstown. Been a while since I watched him mind you but he looks promising. The forward line was the most impressive part of the 2013 minor team so hopefully the likes of McCarthy are ready for the step up from that.
McManus had a similar game against Tyrone as he had against Donegal, the tired cliche that we are a one man team is patent nonsense. Against Tyrone it was the rest of the team and tactics that fell behind as well as facing a better standard of opposition.
As regards the future, it's not just about players but also tactical flexibility.
Kickouts especially, how come we have such difficulty in that department? We methodically repeated our kick out strategy, both with our own kick outs and how we defended the kick outs, from the donegal game and Tyrone had copped that perfectly in both areas.
Then we were far too ponderous on the counterattack, what worked against Donegal did not work here. Donegal were too one dimensional/ inflexible to react to how we were set up and did too little too late. But Tyrone had our number. It reminded me of the Kurosawa film the Seven Samurai, when the robbers attacked the village, the peasants would isolate one through a few deftly laid diversions and savage him.
We were found wanting tactically and mentally reacted badly with poor discipline to their game plan.
It would appear there are plenty of players ready to come in but no personality midfield leaders like Lennon and Clerkin. We would be hit hard for a year or so if Mone, Clekin, Lennon, Finlay and Gollogly all quit.
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Quote from: Schkite on August 10, 2015, 12:52:08 PM
That was some let down on Saturday. When alls said and done, Tyrone were the better team and deserved the win. We just didn't perform on the day, truth be told we haven't played well all championship. Even in the Ulster final we only really played well for a 10 minute spell either side of half time and were hanging on at the end. Part of me thought we'd improve for this one, but I suppose you can't just turn it on if you haven't been playing well for a while. Tyrone on the other hand built momentum steadily through the qualifiers and were primed for this. I underestimated the benefit of their run due to the teams they were playing, but really it was ideal for a young team like them looking to find their groove.
Some of the carry on near the end was embarrassing , I haven't read through the thread but I assume it's been discussed plenty so I won't dwell on it. On a positive note, some of Tyrone's players were fantastic, Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly particularly. Two talented lads who will run all day and don't seem to get involved in much of the off the ball shite. Both will be in the conversation for all-stars I'd say.
Quote from: Bingo on August 10, 2015, 11:49:41 AM
Moving on......
Big crossroads for Monaghan. Two big achievements for Monaghan this year, remaining and been competitive in the League and winning Ulster - these have been too rare round Monaghan not to be savoured and celebrated. An All-Ireland semi-final would have been the icing on a cake.
Losing in the manner on Saturday was not the way you wanted to end it. The headlines will read that they are a one man team, lack discipline and rely on the Ulster template to win matches. The Croke Park factor and championship football will also hang over their heads.
Goes without saying they will need a freshness. Will be some retirements - Dick, Lennon, Finlay and possibly Gollogy. None of them certain and will not know until the championship draw is made which influenced a few decisions last year.
Thankfully they seemed to prepare for that this year and Monaghan played a lot of football without these players but they will still be missed and few obvious replacements in the squad. They will likely have to adapt their play somewhat to lessen the influence of a big midfield that they will have and big midfields that they will face.
I struggle to see too many obvious candidates in club football that will fill this void. Club championship will be interesting this year. One or two from U21's would be the height of it.
Hopefully O'Rourke will stay on, think he has committed to it. But you could see why he'd head off if the right challenge came up!
Agree with alot of that. It's been a great year but this does take a bit of gloss off it a wee bit. At the end of the day though we won Ulster and that will always be a reason to celebrate. It did look like a year where we could push on, but we just didn't grab that opportunity.
I think we'll see a couple of retirements alright, but not half the squad as the likes of Colm O'Rourke would have you believe. It's a young enough team on the whole, but the area we'll undoubtedly suffer most is midfield. Lennon and Dick are the obvious candidates you would think. If they stay then great, but they owe the county nothing. Also think Jap could go even though he's a bit younger, but he has a lot of miles on the clock and his influence has been lessening over the last few years. Then you've Dessie and Vinny of a similar age profile to Jap but they're good for a few years yet as long as they want it. Jinxy maybe not as much but I still think he'll be there next year.
While there is some good young players coming through in defence and attack, we seem to have absolutely nothing in midfield. Is there anyone that stands out in club football? I certainly don't see anyone in the Lennon mould i.e big strong fellas who are good for winning clean kickouts, we're looking at having a very small midfield going forward.
While we're obviously never going to go man to man and abandon the defensive tactics that have brought us success, I would like to see a bit more positivity next year, and to give McManus more help with scoring. Owen Duffy for example scored a couple of lovely points when he came on and made me wonder while he didn't start as he was named to do. I can understand wanting to finish with a strong team too but still would have liked to see Duffy start. Also thought McGuinness could have come on earlier seeing as we needed scores and likely a goal, and he's probably our best goal scorer. It's a pity Jack McCarron's injury meant he didn't get a full season and hampered his chances this year, hopefully he comes back strong next year. Also I wonder would Conor McCarthy be ready to play, I'd like to see him given a chance in the league like the likes of McAnespie this year, as I've been impressed whenever I seen him for the county or Scotstown. Been a while since I watched him mind you but he looks promising. The forward line was the most impressive part of the 2013 minor team so hopefully the likes of McCarthy are ready for the step up from that.
McManus had a similar game against Tyrone as he had against Donegal, the tired cliche that we are a one man team is patent nonsense. Against Tyrone it was the rest of the team and tactics that fell behind as well as facing a better standard of opposition.
As regards the future, it's not just about players but also tactical flexibility.
Kickouts especially, how come we have such difficulty in that department? We methodically repeated our kick out strategy, both with our own kick outs and how we defended the kick outs, from the donegal game and Tyrone had copped that perfectly in both areas.
Then we were far too ponderous on the counterattack, what worked against Donegal did not work here. Donegal were too one dimensional/ inflexible to react to how we were set up and did too little too late. But Tyrone had our number. It reminded me of the Kurosawa film the Seven Samurai, when the robbers attacked the village, the peasants would isolate one through a few deftly laid diversions and savage him.
We were found wanting tactically and mentally reacted badly with poor discipline to their game plan.
It would appear there are plenty of players ready to come in but no personality midfield leaders like Lennon and Clerkin. We would be hit hard for a year or so if Mone, Clekin, Lennon, Finlay and Gollogly all quit.
Will MOR stay on do you think?
It would be strange that he extended his contract for two more years, rather than finishing up now (what would have been the end of his initial 3 year term) if he didn't intend to hang around. He has another year in Division 1 to hang around for, so it's not as if we're a lost cause!
This seems to be a thoughtful take on proceedings... The inbreds will probably dismiss it as more of the Southern meeja against them.
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/tevans/tyrone-nobody-likes-care/
Quote from: screenexile on August 11, 2015, 07:46:23 PM
This seems to be a thoughtful take on proceedings... The inbreds will probably dismiss it as more of the Southern meeja against them.
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/tevans/tyrone-nobody-likes-care/
Seems about right
Quote from: screenexile on August 11, 2015, 07:46:23 PM
This seems to be a thoughtful take on proceedings... The inbreds will probably dismiss it as more of the Southern meeja against them.
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/tevans/tyrone-nobody-likes-care/
Nothing really new in there tho, its basically O'Rourke's comments fleshed out.
Total BS about the Mayo semi too, it was nothing to do with the refs calls.
So whether he is right or wrong is pure speculation on his part, probably a bit of media ego that they matter that they can actually influence things on the ground. They actually dont really matter half as much as they think they do.
I'm Glad your concerned but you should shift your worry to whether Joe McMahon will be fit or not, something that is likely to be far more influential on the outcome than journalists opinions and speculation.
BTW ye cant start calling us inbreds when your the inbreds
Gaa taking phone calls from high profile journalists demanding disciplinary action. Wtf who is running this madhouse. Www.teamtalkmag.com
what the f2ck are the gaa up to? who is running the organisation? the media trying to get mccain suspended.
If McCann is suspended when Shields hasnt been in the same season for the same offence it will show dangerous bias against a county based on their reputation and that press coverage of the action, rather than the action itself, is the defining factor in retrospective action. Is that the association we want? Do it proper and implement a rule from next year that penalises diving rather than a media frenzied ban which is not actually in the rules of the sport. Surely that's the logical approach? But for some on here logic isn't in their arsenal.
Quote from: rrhf on August 11, 2015, 08:59:59 PM
Gaa taking phone calls from high profile journalists demanding disciplinary action. Wtf who is running this madhouse. Www.teamtalkmag.com
Hardly an impartial source. Besides the GAA has no influence on who phones them up.
What McCann did in this game was disgraceful, he is not the first player to do something like this Shields was a joke this year as well, and I remember mcGuigan in an ulster final years getting McCartan send of for having the ball thrown at him.
But at some point in time the GAA has to take a stand it can't keep letting this happen or else we go the way of soccer
I would not be surprised if they make an example of McCann and think it would be good if they started banned players for diving
Quote from: Highlander3 on August 11, 2015, 09:57:21 PM
What McCann did in this game was disgraceful, he is not the first player to do something like this Shields was a joke this year as well, and I remember mcGuigan in an ulster final years getting McCartan send of for having the ball thrown at him.
But at some point in time the GAA has to take a stand it can't keep letting this happen or else we go the way of soccer
I would not be surprised if they make an example of McCann and think it would be good if they started banned players for diving
What rule would they use to ban him?
Quote from: GJL on August 11, 2015, 10:14:42 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on August 11, 2015, 09:57:21 PM
What McCann did in this game was disgraceful, he is not the first player to do something like this Shields was a joke this year as well, and I remember mcGuigan in an ulster final years getting McCartan send of for having the ball thrown at him.
But at some point in time the GAA has to take a stand it can't keep letting this happen or else we go the way of soccer
I would not be surprised if they make an example of McCann and think it would be good if they started banned players for diving
What rule would they use to ban him?
Simulation to get player sent off , is a yellow card. Everything else is hysteria.
Philly Jordan seems to be insinuating that McCann has just gotten 8 weeks. If so it's bizarre that the Sunday game at setting the agenda for the GAA.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2015, 10:36:36 PM
Philly Jordan seems to be insinuating that McCann has just gotten 8 weeks. If so it's bizarre that the Sunday game at setting the agenda for the GAA.
O'Rourke and RTE called for it and they got it.
Trial by TV.
Thin, thin ice.
He deserves it but problem is other players from other counties haven't got that so why select him? #hysteria
Quote from: longballin on August 11, 2015, 10:42:54 PM
He deserves it but problem is other players from other counties haven't got that so why select him? #hysteria
We'll never find that out.
RTE might know something.
Quote from: longballin on August 11, 2015, 10:42:54 PM
He deserves it but problem is other players from other counties haven't got that so why select him? #hysteria
Bingo. And the answer is because TSG said so, and the GAA are afraid to stand by their own rules and principles because they need a complete rewrite so they basically make them up according to public opinion, which is shaped by TSG. Very like the NFL.
I hate diving, and I'd have no problem in principle with banning divers. However, I don't think it's ever happened before, and I think it only happens now because of the media. Will we now see all divers suspended? Will we f**k.
This is a farce, ye cant ban someone when the rule doesnt exist to do so.
Time to give Fergal a shout
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 11, 2015, 10:48:31 PM
This is a farce, ye cant ban someone when the rule doesnt exist to do so.
Time to give Fergal a shout
I can only presume it's that disrepute rule they were on about.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2015, 10:50:26 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 11, 2015, 10:48:31 PM
This is a farce, ye cant ban someone when the rule doesnt exist to do so.
Time to give Fergal a shout
I can only presume it's that disrepute rule they were on about.
Sure thats so vague you could get banned for anything on the CCC's whim
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2015, 10:50:26 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 11, 2015, 10:48:31 PM
This is a farce, ye cant ban someone when the rule doesnt exist to do so.
Time to give Fergal a shout
I can only presume it's that disrepute rule they were on about.
I think the fact that Shields went unpunished a few weeks ago means there's not a chance of this sticking once it goes through the proper channels.
I expect a messy appeal and someone with a brain overturning it.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2015, 10:54:45 PM
I expect a messy appeal and someone with a brain overturning it.
Easy, this is the GAA
I wonder will the GAA order a retrospective replay of the 2003 AI final after Jordan dived to get an opponent sent off.
Quote from: longballin on August 11, 2015, 10:42:54 PM
He deserves it but problem is other players from other counties haven't got that so why select him? #hysteria
Spot on
Some can of worms this.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2015, 10:54:45 PM
I expect a messy appeal and someone with a brain overturning it.
Anyone got a link to some facts please?
Anyway, if it is an 8 weeks ban it is ridiculous and will be reduced on appeal. But he may miss the semi-final.
Hard to know what would be worse though, diving to get a fella sent off, or ranting like a lunatic on a TV programme to get a lad banned. Who do we phone to get Brolly one co banned for 8 weeks?
Quote from: muppet on August 11, 2015, 11:09:07 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2015, 10:54:45 PM
I expect a messy appeal and someone with a brain overturning it.
Anyone got a link to some facts please?
Anyway, if it is an 8 weeks ban it is ridiculous and will be reduced on appeal. But he may miss the semi-final.
Hard to know what would be worse though, diving to get a fella sent off, or ranting like a lunatic on a TV programme to get a lad banned. Who do we phone to get Brolly one co banned for 8 weeks?
If it is miscredit charge, 8 weeks is the minimum as far as I know. So it can't be reduced, only rescinded or downgraded.
Messy.
http://teamtalkmag.com/2015/08/county-mccann-handed-8-week-suspension/
Quote from: Bensars on August 11, 2015, 10:17:20 PMSimulation to get player sent off , is a yellow card. Everything else is hysteria.
Actually - it's not - there's no mention of simulation in the rules
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 11, 2015, 11:59:11 PM
Quote from: Bensars on August 11, 2015, 10:17:20 PMSimulation to get player sent off , is a yellow card. Everything else is hysteria.
Actually - it's not - there's no mention of simulation in the rules
Same thing:
Cautionable Infractions (Yellow Cards)
1. To block or attempt to block with the boot when an opponent is kicking the ball from the hand(s).
2. To prevent or attempt to prevent an opponent from lifting or kicking the ball off the ground by striking an opponent's hand, arm, foot or leg with the boot.
3. To engage in any other form of rough play.
4. To attempt to achieve an advantage by feigning a foul or injury.
The above are all currently existing Yellow Card Infractions.
Well how the f**k did I miss that yesterday? :-[
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 12, 2015, 12:08:31 AM
Well how the f**k did I miss that yesterday? :-[
I give you the GAA rulebook.
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I think the rule book should be thrown at offenders. Let's see if they can dive then.
Are Rory Beggan and Conor McAliskey getting 8 week babs too? Or what's diving or feigning injury? Is Shields getting cited retrospectively? This is a dangerous precedent being set here. An absolute shambles. There isn't a leg for the CCCC to stand on here. Whether you dislike Tyrone or not any unbiased eye can see this is farcical stuff.
The McCann incident was a real clinker in terms of embarrassing actions on a football pitch, but if he is to get suspended for 'simulation', then the match in its entirety should be looked at all players acting the wag should get the same. All or none. A lesson hard learned for the lad
If the the suspension holds up enough for him to miss the semi, you'll be damn sure no one does it in the next match
I would say Fergal Logan will be on the case....
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Quote from: imtommygunn on August 12, 2015, 08:11:04 AM
I would say Fergal Logan will be on the case....
Not sure he'll be needed. The rule book states that it's a yellow card but CCCCCCCCC give him an 8 week suspension. How daft is that?
The charge will clearly be 'Bringing the association into disrepute' - defined as what behaving in a way the ordinary person would deem as wrong.
The charge should be defended fully by CHC as far as needed and anyone engaging in diving or acting the bollox in general should be charged the same.
Quote from: screenexile on August 11, 2015, 11:11:37 PM
http://teamtalkmag.com/2015/08/county-mccann-handed-8-week-suspension/
Tyrone should accept this punishment for the future of the game. If all players know a big suspension will be coming up then they are very unlikely to be up to the sort of antics mccann tried to get away with. St Micky comes out of it very badly also since he tries to justify it by saying all players do it. That is patently untrue, there have been a few isolated instances and those players have also been rightly condemned by the media and general public. McAliskey and Beggan probably should also be given the same suspension but theirs aren't just as clear cut or obvious.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on August 12, 2015, 08:11:04 AM
I would say Fergal Logan will be on the case....
Not sure he'll be needed. The rule book states that it's a yellow card but CCCCCCCCC give him an 8 week suspension. How daft is that?
The charge will clearly be 'Bringing the association into disrepute' - defined as what behaving in a way the ordinary person would deem as wrong.
The charge should be defended fully by CHC as far as needed and anyone engaging in diving or acting the bollox in general should be charged the same.
He feigned injury to gain an advantage. There is a clearly defined rule in the rule book. Anything else is trumped up bullshit.
There is a clear rule which is unlikely to be overturned and they're fully correct in charging him with it.
Hopefully this is the beginning of the end for this kind of behaviour.
Quote from: heffo on August 12, 2015, 08:25:51 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 12, 2015, 08:16:18 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 12, 2015, 08:11:04 AM
I would say Fergal Logan will be on the case....
Not sure he'll be needed. The rule book states that it's a yellow card but CCCCCCCCC give him an 8 week suspension. How daft is that?
The charge will clearly be 'Bringing the association into disrepute' - defined as what behaving in a way the ordinary person would deem as wrong.
The charge should be defended fully by CHC as far as needed and anyone engaging in diving or acting the bollox in general should be charged the same.
He didn't bring the game into disrepute. He went down easily after he got a hand put on his head.yellow card offence. The Sunday game brought the game into disrepute by inferring that referees will not referee Tyrone games in a fair unbiased way.
Quote from: heffo on August 12, 2015, 08:32:25 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 12, 2015, 08:31:06 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 12, 2015, 08:25:51 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 12, 2015, 08:16:18 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 12, 2015, 08:11:04 AM
I would say Fergal Logan will be on the case....
Not sure he'll be needed. The rule book states that it's a yellow card but CCCCCCCCC give him an 8 week suspension. How daft is that?
The charge will clearly be 'Bringing the association into disrepute' - defined as what behaving in a way the ordinary person would deem as wrong.
The charge should be defended fully by CHC as far as needed and anyone engaging in diving or acting the bollox in general should be charged the same.
He feigned injury to gain an advantage. There is a clearly defined rule in the rule book. Anything else is trumped up bullshit.
There is a clear rule which is unlikely to be overturned and they're fully correct in charging him with it.
Hopefully this is the beginning of the end for this kind of behaviour.
I understand your pain when the dubs were involved in the biting I wanted an example to be set and that that would be the end of it. But there's no example of examples being set and that being the end of anything..
ALL ABOUT SELLING TICKETS LADS!!!!! TRYING TO SELL OUT CROKER BY CREATING A FRENZY........DONT WORRY ABOUT THE YOUNG MAN INVOLVED............BIT LIKE BIG BROTHER, X FACTOR, BRITAINS GOT TALENT...........TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE TO MAKE MONEY.....GAA STYLE.........NO SUSPENSION WILL BE UPHELD BUT PLENTY OF TICKETS SOLD ON THE BACK OF IT............BUT WE ARE ALL ABOUT THE GRASSROOTS AND KEEPING THE AMATEUR ETHOS (NOTTTTTTTTTTTTT)
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If rumours are right, looks like an 8 week ban for Mc'Cann for 'bringing the game into disrepute'.
Its a disgrace. Why now. Why this time? Why not Aidan O'Mahoney, why not Michael Shields? Why not all the other instances over the years ( which do include Tyrone as well )..
I am glad they are taking action against it as it is not something i like in our game and it should be stamped out, but why start enforcing it now???
GAA bowing to RTE again.
The wording of the charge is harsh ie: 'Bringing the game into disrepute' . It brings a minimum ban of 8 weeks and max ban of omission from the organisation. What he done does not warrant him to be in this category.
The proper charge should be 'feigning injury or diving' which carries a punishment of a yellow card.
Surely the correct way to handle this was to let it go, just like all the other examples over the years and come out in the summer and lay down the law, and change the feigning injury rule so that it can be dealt with after the game if referee has got it wrong/or missed it. And up the punishment for the crime to whatever number of weeks they want.
Tyrone will most definitely appeal and i just cant see the GAA managing to make it stick.
Surely if Tiernan brought the game into disrepute so did Joe Brolly when he went ass mad on Sunday Game against Sean Cavanagh.
Absolute trial by media bullshit. GAA shown itself to be a weak organisation pondering to the whims of the feckin Sunday Game pundits of all people. GAA definitely living up to its name as an amateur sport, absolute amateur-hour indeed. Pitiful
Never mind an 8 week suspension, he should embarrassed to come out of the house for 8 weeks.
Like it or not, this is a real watershed moment for the betterment of football
Quote from: lenny on August 12, 2015, 08:27:31 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 11, 2015, 11:11:37 PM
http://teamtalkmag.com/2015/08/county-mccann-handed-8-week-suspension/
Tyrone should accept this punishment for the future of the game. If all players know a big suspension will be coming up then they are very unlikely to be up to the sort of antics mccann tried to get away with. St Micky comes out of it very badly also since he tries to justify it by saying all players do it. That is patently untrue, there have been a few isolated instances and those players have also been rightly condemned by the media and general public. McAliskey and Beggan probably should also be given the same suspension but theirs aren't just as clear cut or obvious.
Do you actually think that the next person to take a dive will also get an 8 week suspension?
Trial by media if every I seen it.
I don't think this can be held up.
If you do it for this you need to be consistent.
Yes you need to set a precedent and there is no precedent but why punish him and not for example Shields?
They tried this in soccer years ago with Edu from Arsenal and it couldn't be held up. I don't think, if there is any legal intervention, this can hold up at all.
(I don't condone what he did but you can't just pick one person)
Brilliant news, at last the cheaters and divers are getting dealt with, now hopefully they will continue with analysing Tyrones cynical tactics and all the dark arts they take part in and as a result they will disappear from the GAA landscape because they have no place in the organisation, only way they can win a game at any level is to cheat, hopefully the media keep going on their crusade against them.
@JoeBrolly1993: @PhilipJordan7 the decision is therefore unlawful. It is a manipulation of the law to punish Tiernan more severely than the law allows 6/6
Why start setting a precedent towards the end of the season - just before the semi-final? Either do it from the start of the year - and apply it to every instance no matter the team, or don't do it at all. McCann was completely in the wrong but there is no way this ban will stick.
The lad is embarrassed enough over this and that alone is punishment, he will get off on appeal to play against Kerry (I think every one agrees on that). Them Muppets on TSG are a joke and more and more people are turning to Sky Sports for proper analysis and little to no shite talk. It's nearly impossible to police this behaviour, if you use TV later in the week who determines what a dive is and how much contact merits a dive...its nutts.
A TV judge like rugby have and deal with the incident there and then and that's the end of it, McCann would have got a yellow card and the result of the game just the same.
Won't be held up but it will mean that a new rule with regards to diving will be installed for next season which is a good thing. RTE really are desperate that Tyrone don't make it to the AI final and God forbid win it. Would be hilarious to see them standing cap in hand outside a shut door at the City West. Fcuk them.
It's entertainment value now. Something to fill the papers with for a fortnight before the semi final.
Tyronies will be out in force. £.
Fair play to the GPA for coming out so forcefully to defend the player.
I don't see how you can ban a man for 8 weeks for something that is a yellow card offence.I was very disappointed with McCann on Saturday and would in no way condone his actions but the ccc must be consistent in handing out these punishments.McAliskey and Beggan both let themselves down on Saturday,Shields v Kerry being another case.
People will say that's a case of 'whataboutery' looking at players from other counties doing it but the rules must be applied to every player who does it and not just Tyrone.
Even Brolly is on twitter saying that the ban is completely wrong
Quote from: laceer on August 12, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
Even Brolly is on twitter saying that the ban is completely wrong
Brolly reckons it's illegal
@JoeBrolly1993: @PhilipJordan7 my view is the use of the specific provision is illegal. The law of statutory interpretation applies to any rule 1/4
@JoeBrolly1993: @PhilipJordan7 the lawmaker ( Congress) has created a specific offence of simulation with a specific penalty ( yellow card). 2/4
@JoeBrolly1993: @PhilipJordan7 Tiernan's only offence, as a matter of law, is simulation, since the lawmaker is presumed to mean what he says 3/4
@JoeBrolly1993: @PhilipJordan7 if this were not so, then the disrepute provision could be used to override any offence, perverse though that would be 4/4
@JoeBrolly1993: @PhilipJordan7 so for example, a striking offence could be charged as disrepute 5/6
@JoeBrolly1993: @PhilipJordan7 the decision is therefore unlawful. It is a manipulation of the law to punish Tiernan more severely than the law allows 6/6
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I would say Fergal Logan will be on the case....
Not sure he'll be needed. The rule book states that it's a yellow card but CCCCCCCCC give him an 8 week suspension. How daft is that?
The charge will clearly be 'Bringing the association into disrepute' - defined as what behaving in a way the ordinary person would deem as wrong.
The charge should be defended fully by CHC as far as needed and anyone engaging in diving or acting the bollox in general should be charged the same.
He feigned injury to gain an advantage. There is a clearly defined rule in the rule book. Anything else is trumped up bullshit.
There is a clear rule which is unlikely to be overturned and they're fully correct in charging him with it.
Hopefully this is the beginning of the end for this kind of behaviour.
I agree with a lot of that. I hate diving, and I have oft yearned for it to be added to the list of black card offences. However I can't agree that this was the right thing to do in these circumstances heffo. How on earth can you single him out for a disrepute charge when lads dive or feign injury almost every game we play? The disrepute charge has to be along the lines of 'feigning injury in order to get an opponent sent off'. And I agree, it was a pathetic act, and an act of a cheater. But how is it much different from any of the following?
http://www.balls.ie/gaa/gifs-following-michael-shields-fall-recalling-3-other-notorious-dives-in-the-gaa/302098 (http://www.balls.ie/gaa/gifs-following-michael-shields-fall-recalling-3-other-notorious-dives-in-the-gaa/302098)
Some of these are quite recent, and all of them involve a man feigning injury in order to get a man in trouble. Aidan O'Mahony might say he was at least clipped by Shields, but the thought process, such as it is, has to be the same. 'Chance here to get a lad in trouble, down I go, face grasp, roll in agony'.
Each of those incidents are in the same vein in my view, so why is McCann charged? I can only think it's because of the media spotlight, and that is very very wrong and very very dangerous as a precedent. The NFL is going down that road in America, and they are f**king themselves because of it.
I like to think I'm fair about these things, and I know in the past the Tyrone lads think I've been hard on them, but in this case I'm 100% behind them. They have a problem with mouthing and acting the maggot, and I think this may be the chickens coming home to roost, but it's completely unfair and has the feel of being made up.
By all means bring in a rule that says diving or feigning injury are going to be dealt with retrospectively and involve suspensions, or are black card offences on the day if spotted by the ref. By all means drive this shite out of our games. But don't do it as a knee jerk reaction to a tirade on the Sunday Game, which is motivated partly by the fact that the guilty party is from Tyrone.
It's unfair, it's draconian and most of all, it proves our association can be led around by the nose by bolloxes in the media.
Rant over :)
Quote from: laceer on August 12, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
Even Brolly is on twitter saying that the ban is completely wrong
You boys are now listening to Brolly? ;)
Strange boy brolly. Lives in contrary land..He is right this time of course.
Ian Paisley used to drive the mob out into the streets with his sensationalist and passionate rantings. When the mob acted as you would expect, paisley would wash his hands too.
A top Kerry player took a dive in the munster final to get a goal from a penalty and hypocritically many of us were criticising cork for criticising their bad luck last week. Why because the game was over (now we are doing the same ourselves over a less significant incident) and also perhaps it was because we close ranks over kerry misdemeanours...We are complete hypocrites in our organisation
Sadly there's a danger this will turn McCann into some sort of martyr.
Quote from: rrhf on August 12, 2015, 09:28:10 AM
Strange boy brolly. Lives in contrary land..He is right this time of course.
Ian Paisley used to drive the mob out into the streets with his sensationalist and passionate rantings. When the mob acted as you would expect, paisley would wash his hands too.
A top Kerry player took a dive in the munster final to get a goal from a penalty and hypocritically many of us were criticising cork for criticising their bad luck last week. Why because the game was over (now we are doing the same ourselves over a less significant incident) and also perhaps it was because we close ranks over kerry misdemeanours...We are complete hypocrites in our organisation
Don't do that. Don't start this into a pursuit of Kerry. Ye have a proper case here, don't start muddying the waters. Paul Galvin, Tomás O'Sé and others would dispute the fact that Kerry misdemeanors are glossed over.
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Strange boy brolly. Lives in contrary land..He is right this time of course.
Ian Paisley used to drive the mob out into the streets with his sensationalist and passionate rantings. When the mob acted as you would expect, paisley would wash his hands too.
A top Kerry player took a dive in the munster final to get a goal from a penalty and hypocritically many of us were criticising cork for criticising their bad luck last week. Why because the game was over (now we are doing the same ourselves over a less significant incident) and also perhaps it was because we close ranks over kerry misdemeanours...We are complete hypocrites in our organisation
Don't do that. Don't start this into a pursuit of Kerry. Ye have a proper case here, don't start muddying the waters. Paul Galvin, Tomás O'Sé and others would dispute the fact that Kerry misdemeanors are glossed over.
As Indiana has repeatedly pointed out, the GAA media is full of Kerrymen. Its definitely Kerry's fault that McCann has been banned!
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Quote from: rrhf on August 12, 2015, 09:28:10 AM
Strange boy brolly. Lives in contrary land..He is right this time of course.
Ian Paisley used to drive the mob out into the streets with his sensationalist and passionate rantings. When the mob acted as you would expect, paisley would wash his hands too.
A top Kerry player took a dive in the munster final to get a goal from a penalty and hypocritically many of us were criticising cork for criticising their bad luck last week. Why because the game was over (now we are doing the same ourselves over a less significant incident) and also perhaps it was because we close ranks over kerry misdemeanours...We are complete hypocrites in our organisation
Don't do that. Don't start this into a pursuit of Kerry. Ye have a proper case here, don't start muddying the waters. Paul Galvin, Tomás O'Sé and others would dispute the fact that Kerry misdemeanors are glossed over.
As Indiana has repeatedly pointed out, the GAA media is full of Kerrymen. Its definitely Kerry's fault that McCann has been banned!
Shaddup :D
No way will I widen the net. But a munster title was arguably lost on a dive this year and last week we all got tucked into cork for having their winge. On week later and the same happens at the end of a one sided quarter final and had no impact on the result. I'm not getting at kerry as in this regrettable incident they were not involved but applying some context for our persecution complex... ;)
Quote from: rrhf on August 12, 2015, 09:36:52 AM
No way will I widen the net. But a munster title was arguably lost on a dive this year and last week we all got tucked into cork for having their winge. On week later and the same happens at the end of a one sided quarter final and had no impact on the result. I'm not getting at kerry as in this regrettable incident they were not involved but applying some context for our persecution complex...
I agree. I'm with ye on this one, but this nonsense doesn't need specific Kerry whataboutery. All we have to do is look at similar incidents and ask 'why not an 8 week ban for that?'. I posted 4 of them above (ironically 1 with a Kerryman, oops!). What's the difference?
I'd be very interested to know what that difference is. Why is McCann's act disreputable, but Shields, O'Mahoney, O'Shea's and Lundy's not disreputable?
I think they are all poor acts, and all worthy of similar punishment. Drive Diving Out, but a witchhunt against 1 player is ridiculous.
When you consider the rule for this is clearly stated in the official guide under 5.4 which rules the punishment as a yellow card you have to wonder about the type of idiots making these decisions!!!!
I hope in next years rule book that this type of thing is punishable by suspension but currently it isn't.
Will the people who have came up with this suspension be subject to a written or verbal warning when it is rescinded - I know it is standard work practice in the workplace that if an employee does something so badly wrong that this is usually the case!
Also who is Marty Duffy answering to in all of this - he made a monumental error and didn't even take time to consult his other officials!
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I would say Fergal Logan will be on the case....
Not sure he'll be needed. The rule book states that it's a yellow card but CCCCCCCCC give him an 8 week suspension. How daft is that?
The charge will clearly be 'Bringing the association into disrepute' - defined as what behaving in a way the ordinary person would deem as wrong.
The charge should be defended fully by CHC as far as needed and anyone engaging in diving or acting the bollox in general should be charged the same.
He feigned injury to gain an advantage. There is a clearly defined rule in the rule book. Anything else is trumped up bullshit.
There is a clear rule which is unlikely to be overturned and they're fully correct in charging him with it.
Hopefully this is the beginning of the end for this kind of behaviour.
I agree with a lot of that. I hate diving, and I have oft yearned for it to be added to the list of black card offences. However I can't agree that this was the right thing to do in these circumstances heffo. How on earth can you single him out for a disrepute charge when lads dive or feign injury almost every game we play? The disrepute charge has to be along the lines of 'feigning injury in order to get an opponent sent off'. And I agree, it was a pathetic act, and an act of a cheater. But how is it much different from any of the following?
http://www.balls.ie/gaa/gifs-following-michael-shields-fall-recalling-3-other-notorious-dives-in-the-gaa/302098 (http://www.balls.ie/gaa/gifs-following-michael-shields-fall-recalling-3-other-notorious-dives-in-the-gaa/302098)
Some of these are quite recent, and all of them involve a man feigning injury in order to get a man in trouble. Aidan O'Mahony might say he was at least clipped by Shields, but the thought process, such as it is, has to be the same. 'Chance here to get a lad in trouble, down I go, face grasp, roll in agony'.
Each of those incidents are in the same vein in my view, so why is McCann charged? I can only think it's because of the media spotlight, and that is very very wrong and very very dangerous as a precedent. The NFL is going down that road in America, and they are f**king themselves because of it.
I like to think I'm fair about these things, and I know in the past the Tyrone lads think I've been hard on them, but in this case I'm 100% behind them. They have a problem with mouthing and acting the maggot, and I think this may be the chickens coming home to roost, but it's completely unfair and has the feel of being made up.
By all means bring in a rule that says diving or feigning injury are going to be dealt with retrospectively and involve suspensions, or are black card offences on the day if spotted by the ref. By all means drive this shite out of our games. But don't do it as a knee jerk reaction to a tirade on the Sunday Game, which is motivated partly by the fact that the guilty party is from Tyrone.
It's unfair, it's draconian and most of all, it proves our association can be led around by the nose by bolloxes in the media.
Rant over :)
Great post.
I would be all for bring in retrospective punishments for this type of thing, but dont just pick out one incident and throw a 8 week suspension at it because colm orourke says so.
I said back when the black card came in (which I was against) that if it is to come in, diving and feigning injury ahs to be a black card offence also.
I think that would be a start.
8 weeks though, that is bizarre and OTT
Do I think that this ban is right and will hold - no.
Should Marty Duffy get the 8 week ban - yes.
Do I have any sympathy with Tyrone - no.
One of the favourite lines in GAA land is about the dishonest, cheating, unmanliness of soccer players as they dive and cheat their way through games/seasons. The fact that this is becoming more and more prevalent in the GAA is often deflected and countered by accusing other teams/players of doing more/first/often. If this is the start of a focus on this behaviour by all teams and a message that such behaviour will have zero tolerance, than maybe we should such it up. Many ex-soccer pros and commentators are calling for this exact type of action. In an ideal world the ref would get these right (Marty Duffy has no excuse for missing it) but its often not possible. So are the GAA going to do this after every match?
And yes, Rory Beggan was at the same carrying on in the game. Michael Shields before him and Aidan O'Mahony before him. No action taken but this has to start somewhere. Is the difference in this instance the fact that the player succeeded in his intentions? Shields didn't, Beggan didn't but McCann got his man as such?
Quote from: GJL on August 12, 2015, 09:11:10 AM
RTE really are desperate that Tyrone don't make it to the AI final and God forbid win it. Would be hilarious to see them standing cap in hand outside a shut door at the City West. Fcuk them.
Not as exceptional as you might think. It wouldn't be the first time that someone turned up at the City West hoping it was All Ireland weekend and was severely disappointed.
There has to be consistency here.
Either all players and counties are treated the same or they're not.
The only way to do this IMO is have a citing commissioner ala rugby. Having O'Rourke spout on the Sunday game about this on Sunday night and then for those in the CCC to react is pathetic, and the RTE / Tyrone issues thrown in for good measure.
You couldn't make it up.
Quote from: WT4E on August 12, 2015, 09:53:57 AM
When you consider the rule for this is clearly stated in the official guide under 5.4 which rules the punishment as a yellow card you have to wonder about the type of idiots making these decisions!!!!
I hope in next years rule book that this type of thing is punishable by suspension but currently it isn't.
Will the people who have came up with this suspension be subject to a written or verbal warning when it is rescinded - I know it is standard work practice in the workplace that if an employee does something so badly wrong that this is usually the case!
Also who is Marty Duffy answering to in all of this - he made a monumental error and didn't even take time to consult his other officials!
Well, I would expect he has been done under the 'disrepute' rule, rather than the 'simulation' rule. Has anyone the wording for that?
Quote from: Bingo on August 12, 2015, 10:03:33 AM
Do I think that this ban is right and will hold - no.
Should Marty Duffy get the 8 week ban - yes.
Do I have any sympathy with Tyrone - no.
One of the favourite lines in GAA land is about the dishonest, cheating, unmanliness of soccer players as they dive and cheat their way through games/seasons. The fact that this is becoming more and more prevalent in the GAA is often deflected and countered by accusing other teams/players of doing more/first/often. If this is the start of a focus on this behaviour by all teams and a message that such behaviour will have zero tolerance, than maybe we should such it up. Many ex-soccer pros and commentators are calling for this exact type of action. In an ideal world the ref would get these right (Marty Duffy has no excuse for missing it) but its often not possible. So are the GAA going to do this after every match?
And yes, Rory Beggan was at the same carrying on in the game. Michael Shields before him and Aidan O'Mahony before him. No action taken but this has to start somewhere. Is the difference in this instance the fact that the player succeeded in his intentions? Shields didn't, Beggan didn't but McCann got his man as such?
Do you honestly think if Bernard Brogan takes a dive against Mayo that the CCCC will ban him for 8 weeks?
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Quote from: WT4E on August 12, 2015, 09:53:57 AM
When you consider the rule for this is clearly stated in the official guide under 5.4 which rules the punishment as a yellow card you have to wonder about the type of idiots making these decisions!!!!
I hope in next years rule book that this type of thing is punishable by suspension but currently it isn't.
Will the people who have came up with this suspension be subject to a written or verbal warning when it is rescinded - I know it is standard work practice in the workplace that if an employee does something so badly wrong that this is usually the case!
Also who is Marty Duffy answering to in all of this - he made a monumental error and didn't even take time to consult his other officials!
Well, I would expect he has been done under the 'disrepute' rule, rather than the 'simulation' rule. Has anyone the wording for that?
Downloaded the official rules from the website (http://www.gaa.ie/about-the-gaa/rules-and-regulations/) but cannot find the disrepute rule...
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Quote from: WT4E on August 12, 2015, 09:53:57 AM
When you consider the rule for this is clearly stated in the official guide under 5.4 which rules the punishment as a yellow card you have to wonder about the type of idiots making these decisions!!!!
I hope in next years rule book that this type of thing is punishable by suspension but currently it isn't.
Will the people who have came up with this suspension be subject to a written or verbal warning when it is rescinded - I know it is standard work practice in the workplace that if an employee does something so badly wrong that this is usually the case!
Also who is Marty Duffy answering to in all of this - he made a monumental error and didn't even take time to consult his other officials!
Well, I would expect he has been done under the 'disrepute' rule, rather than the 'simulation' rule. Has anyone the wording for that?
Downloaded the official rules from the website (http://www.gaa.ie/about-the-gaa/rules-and-regulations/) but cannot find the disrepute rule...
Page 128.... Not sure about the one listed
Oh yes, just done a quick CTRL-F for disrepute.
So the rule states
7.2 Infractions
The following shall constitute Infractions to which the
Disciplinary Jurisdiction of the Association applies:
(e) Misconduct Considered to have Discredited the
Association.
This shall include breaches of Rule 1.12 Official Guide
Part 1, and Rules 5.33 (Hurling) and 5.29 (Football)
Aggressive Fouls, Playing Rules, Official Guide Part 2.
Penalties:
Member - A minimum 8 weeks suspension. Debarment
and Expulsion from the Association may also be
considered.
Team/Unit - Where suspension is deemed appropriate
- a minimum of 8 weeks. A Fine, Disqualification
and Expulsion from the Association may also be
considered.
A few points from a "neutral" perspective.
1. There is a strong pattern here whereby CCCC seem to react to controversial incidents highlighted on RTE, this is unsatisfactory and unfair.
2. You can argue that the lack of any apparent force in the McCann incident distinguishes it from Mahoney and Shields, but in reality there is little difference as they all involve over exaggeration in an attempt to get an opponent sent off.
3. Such incidents , and the likes of mass brawls etc , undoubtedly bring the game into disrepute in so far as they become the talking point and make our games look unsavoury or leave us subject to ridicule.
4. Players are amateurs and though they should be held up to scrutiny , shouldn't be subject to personalised attacks(eg Brolly v Cavanagh).
5. There is Little point in demanding sportsmanship from players and managers, as apart from trying to change culture, such an approach depends on goodwill and discretion and theoretically the most self focussed , ruthless and bullish , will ignore the appeals and gravitate towards the top, whilst the "naive" fair minded and respectful , languish at the bottom. In short, we therefore must legislate to penalise unsporting behaviour as opposed to requesting fair play.
6. Tyrone , notably in their most succesful years (eg accusations of diving from Mcguigan/Jordan in 2003, & the treatment of Colin Cooper in 2005,) have gained a reputation for doing "what it takes" to win, but they are not on their own in this , as all recent winners :Kerry, cork, dublin, donegal , have met similar accusations. The fact is that ruthless cynicism often wins in GAA, and we must continue to develop legislation to minimise this effect.
7. I have vociferously supported Tyrone in crucial matches in the past, and admired many aspects of their play on Sunday, but the last ten minutes particularly, was an embarrassing spectacle (& Monaghan weren't blameless either) . With several other unsavoury incidents at various levels over the years Tyrone should realise that the full-on win-at-all-costs approach may win you titles but won't win you friends or respect. Tyrone were arguably robbed of all-ireland titles in 1995 & 1996 by dubious decisions and cynical tactics, but similarly benefitted from dubious decisions and cynicism in 2003 and 2005. Ironically it took their sporting and determined response to defeat in Newry in 2008, and their incredible subsequent path to all Ireland glory , for them to gain real admiration and respect. All associated with Tyrone football need to decide do they just want titles , or is the process and manner in which they are won , equally important.
Rant over!
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Quote from: Bingo on August 12, 2015, 10:03:33 AM
Do I think that this ban is right and will hold - no.
Should Marty Duffy get the 8 week ban - yes.
Do I have any sympathy with Tyrone - no.
One of the favourite lines in GAA land is about the dishonest, cheating, unmanliness of soccer players as they dive and cheat their way through games/seasons. The fact that this is becoming more and more prevalent in the GAA is often deflected and countered by accusing other teams/players of doing more/first/often. If this is the start of a focus on this behaviour by all teams and a message that such behaviour will have zero tolerance, than maybe we should such it up. Many ex-soccer pros and commentators are calling for this exact type of action. In an ideal world the ref would get these right (Marty Duffy has no excuse for missing it) but its often not possible. So are the GAA going to do this after every match?
And yes, Rory Beggan was at the same carrying on in the game. Michael Shields before him and Aidan O'Mahony before him. No action taken but this has to start somewhere. Is the difference in this instance the fact that the player succeeded in his intentions? Shields didn't, Beggan didn't but McCann got his man as such?
Do you honestly think if Bernard Brogan takes a dive against Mayo that the CCCC will ban him for 8 weeks?
I very much doubt that Bernard Brogan would take a dive along the lines of McCann/Beggan/Shields.
But if he where to, the CCCC will have to act as they have set precedent now.
Silly beggers starting to name and list players/teams who they may have to start banning for something that may or may not happen in the future.
If you'd asked me if Conor McManus had done the same thing in the Tyrone match as McCann did with the same consequences would he be facing a ban, than no, he likely not be facing the CCCC charge.
I wholeheartedly support the proposed suspension. He has discredited the Association and the minimum penalty has been applied.
However, I fully expect this to be overturned due to precedent. When this gets to the DRA Tyrone's legal eagles will have no end of similar incidents to play over and over again where no action was taken by the CCCC. I don't believe that should matter (two wrongs won't make it right) but in a quasi legal forum I think they'll have a good chance of getting the proposed penalty overturned. It can't be reduced as the minimum has been proposed. I hope I'm wrong on this and I hope all incidents of this type are dealt with in the same fashion in future.
If the suspension doesn't stick, the blame lies with those who have been asleep at the wheel and swept these issues under the carpet for too long.
I don't like the way the GAA tends to react to RTE's promptings in disciplinary matters. You could say though that controversies generated by TV "bring discredit on the organisation" so if you're unlucky enough to be picked on by them that you face a suspension. That's not fair or equitable. A new, locked down and agreed code is probably needed. Get Dessis and the Get Paid Association to take a lead in getting their members to behave properly on the pitch.
Seanie, when you say you support the proposed suspension, do you mean that you support suspending divers, or do you support him being treated differently to Michael Shields or Lundy, for example?
Quote from: orangeman on August 12, 2015, 10:11:42 AM
There has to be consistency here.
Either all players and counties are treated the same or they're not.
The only way to do this IMO is have a citing commissioner ala rugby. Having O'Rourke spout on the Sunday game about this on Sunday night and then for those in the CCC to react is pathetic, and the RTE / Tyrone issues thrown in for good measure.
You couldn't make it up.
be careful for what you wish for. McAliskey and Cavanagh would also sitting with 8 weeks suspensions on the eve of a semi-final.
McCann's dive was disgraceful, but only served to bring himself in to disrepute. Marty Duffy as I have previously stated is at fault here for not taking action at the time. The CCCC has set itself up here for a good pasting. Colm O'Rourke is calling the shots. McCann will get off.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 11:20:45 AM
Seanie, when you say you support the proposed suspension, do you mean that you support suspending divers, or do you support him being treated differently to Michael Shields or Lundy, for example?
I mean I support suspending people for bringing discredit on the association as in this case. I have never agreed with treating people differently especially in GAA disciplinary matters. In isolation thare can be no argument but that he brought discredit on the GAA with his actions.
I'd like to point out that there is a difference between "diving" and what Tiernan McCann did. He feigned ijnjury in an attempt to con the referee into taking action in the wrong against an opponent. Diving, while despicable, is not quite as bad.
Did you see the video link I posted of O'Mahony, Shields, O'Shea and Lundy. Each of them feigned injury to the face. If McCann deserves 8 weeks, each of them did too. So why did they not get it.
I hate diving, I want lads punished for pretending to be hurt to get lads sent off, but you can't base your disciplinery approach on Twitter or Colm O'Rourke. To do so in the middle of the year, while ignoring similar incidents in the same year, is bordering on blatant unfairness.
Bring a proper rule in next season, and enforce it rigorously by all means. Institute review panels for televised games. All of that, brilliant. No problem with it. I just don't like the way this incident is being handled.
Did McCanns actions bring the game into any more disrepute than the Davy Byrne incident and the CCC's subsequent handling of it?
Do Brollys eloquent but vitriolic attacks on the likes of Marty Duffy and Sean Cavanagh not bring the game into disrepute?
Quote from: LeoMc on August 12, 2015, 11:45:49 AM
Did McCanns actions bring the game into any more disrepute than the Davy Byrne incident and the CCC's subsequent handling of it?
Do Brollys eloquent but vitriolic attacks on the likes of Marty Duffy and Sean Cavanagh not bring the game into disrepute?
Absolutely
Whats amazing in all this is that no-one has started a facebook campaign or petition to get McCann off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PUAgnrJR_4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PUAgnrJR_4)
I remember watching this when it first came out.
Interesting to note that not one of the highlighted (bad) incidents features Tyrone yet the rules were shoehorned in reaction to RTE and a Sean Cavanagh tackle.
(First 10 to 15 minutes only)
Circle the wagons lads because another attack is on the way.
Quote from: Bingo on August 12, 2015, 12:00:31 PM
Whats amazing in all this is that no-one has started a facebook campaign or petition to get McCann off.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Supporting-Tiernan-McCann/964948586880172?fref=ts
;D
Quote from: winghalfun on August 12, 2015, 12:04:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PUAgnrJR_4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PUAgnrJR_4)
I remember watching this when it first came out.
Interesting to note that not one of the highlighted (bad) incidents features Tyrone yet the rules were shoehorned in reaction to RTE and a Sean Cavanagh tackle.
(First 10 to 15 minutes only)
Circle the wagons lads because another attack is on the way.
Incorrect, and it gets on my wick when people keep saying this. The Black Card Rule was brought in at the Congress in the spring BEFORE Cavanagh's tackle. What Brolly did (like a gobshite) was make Cavanagh's tackle a cause celebre for what the black card would stop (and was completely incorrect).
I'm going to get bumper stickers made up. Black Card was Before Sean Cavanagh's Tackle. BCBSCT.
Quote from: oakleafgael on August 12, 2015, 12:06:20 PM
Quote from: Bingo on August 12, 2015, 12:00:31 PM
Whats amazing in all this is that no-one has started a facebook campaign or petition to get McCann off.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Supporting-Tiernan-McCann/964948586880172?fref=ts
;D
Brillant! Some great posts including flying a Tyrone flag in support of him. Feck me, ye love a flag in the North.
Martyrdom and cult hero status starting to kick in. Free McCann!
Quote from: Bingo on August 12, 2015, 12:12:11 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on August 12, 2015, 12:06:20 PM
Quote from: Bingo on August 12, 2015, 12:00:31 PM
Whats amazing in all this is that no-one has started a facebook campaign or petition to get McCann off.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Supporting-Tiernan-McCann/964948586880172?fref=ts
;D
Brillant! Some great posts including flying a Tyrone flag in support of him. Feck me, ye love a flag in the North.
Free the Killyclogher one!!
That page is almost as embarrassing at the original incident!
Quote from: 6th sam on August 12, 2015, 11:52:50 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 12, 2015, 11:45:49 AM
Did McCanns actions bring the game into any more disrepute than the Davy Byrne incident and the CCC's subsequent handling of it?
Do Brollys eloquent but vitriolic attacks on the likes of Marty Duffy and Sean Cavanagh not bring the game into disrepute?
Absolutely
Is the dive worse than breaking a mans jaw because it is on live TV?
Quote from: LeoMc on August 12, 2015, 11:45:49 AM
Do Brollys eloquent but vitriolic attacks on the likes of Marty Duffy and Sean Cavanagh not bring the game into disrepute?
Brolly's playing days are over. What are you going to do, ban him from the stadium for having an opinion? Not let him coach an u-14 team?
Je suis Tiernan T shirts now available in Cookstown..
Yeah I got one.
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Quote from: LeoMc on August 12, 2015, 12:46:30 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 12, 2015, 11:52:50 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 12, 2015, 11:45:49 AM
Did McCanns actions bring the game into any more disrepute than the Davy Byrne incident and the CCC's subsequent handling of it?
Do Brollys eloquent but vitriolic attacks on the likes of Marty Duffy and Sean Cavanagh not bring the game into disrepute?
Absolutely
Is the dive worse than breaking a mans jaw because it is on live TV?
20 grand in fines is hardly getting off scott free.
Quote from: Syferus on August 12, 2015, 02:12:19 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 12, 2015, 12:46:30 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 12, 2015, 11:52:50 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 12, 2015, 11:45:49 AM
Did McCanns actions bring the game into any more disrepute than the Davy Byrne incident and the CCC's subsequent handling of it?
Do Brollys eloquent but vitriolic attacks on the likes of Marty Duffy and Sean Cavanagh not bring the game into disrepute?
Absolutely
Is the dive worse than breaking a mans jaw because it is on live TV?
20 grand in fines is hardly getting off scott free.
What punishment did the players receive?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 11:44:22 AM
Did you see the video link I posted of O'Mahony, Shields, O'Shea and Lundy. Each of them feigned injury to the face. If McCann deserves 8 weeks, each of them did too. So why did they not get it.
I hate diving, I want lads punished for pretending to be hurt to get lads sent off, but you can't base your disciplinery approach on Twitter or Colm O'Rourke. To do so in the middle of the year, while ignoring similar incidents in the same year, is bordering on blatant unfairness.
Bring a proper rule in next season, and enforce it rigorously by all means. Institute review panels for televised games. All of that, brilliant. No problem with it. I just don't like the way this incident is being handled.
You have outlined why and how Tiernan McCann will get out of this charge and also what needs to be done to make sure all these cheats are nailed next year and thereafter.
The GAA gets itself into this kind of trouble by refusing to enforce its own rules. There is a terrible attitude towards rules and discipline throughout the GAA, from the top down.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 12, 2015, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 11:44:22 AM
Did you see the video link I posted of O'Mahony, Shields, O'Shea and Lundy. Each of them feigned injury to the face. If McCann deserves 8 weeks, each of them did too. So why did they not get it.
I hate diving, I want lads punished for pretending to be hurt to get lads sent off, but you can't base your disciplinery approach on Twitter or Colm O'Rourke. To do so in the middle of the year, while ignoring similar incidents in the same year, is bordering on blatant unfairness.
Bring a proper rule in next season, and enforce it rigorously by all means. Institute review panels for televised games. All of that, brilliant. No problem with it. I just don't like the way this incident is being handled.
You have outlined why and how Tiernan McCann will get out of this charge and also what needs to be done to make sure all these cheats are nailed next year and thereafter.
The GAA gets itself into this kind of trouble by refusing to enforce its own rules. There is a terrible attitude towards rules and discipline throughout the GAA, from the top down.
+1 Rules are there to be bypassed/bent/ignored/challenged(often on technicality)/used rather than applied.
If a review was undertaken I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the bans imposed are quashed or halved on appeal. I'd actually reckon those imposing the ban set it, so that it will be halved on appeal - "we'll give him 8 weeks, he'll appeal and get 4 weeks", "grand, will I order the steaks now?".
Quote from: stibhan on August 12, 2015, 01:32:00 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 12, 2015, 11:45:49 AM
Do Brollys eloquent but vitriolic attacks on the likes of Marty Duffy and Sean Cavanagh not bring the game into disrepute?
Brolly's playing days are over. What are you going to do, ban him from the stadium for having an opinion? Not let him coach an u-14 team?
No thoughts on banning him, I am just curious as to the arbitrary usage of this particular rule.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 12, 2015, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 11:44:22 AM
Did you see the video link I posted of O'Mahony, Shields, O'Shea and Lundy. Each of them feigned injury to the face. If McCann deserves 8 weeks, each of them did too. So why did they not get it.
I hate diving, I want lads punished for pretending to be hurt to get lads sent off, but you can't base your disciplinery approach on Twitter or Colm O'Rourke. To do so in the middle of the year, while ignoring similar incidents in the same year, is bordering on blatant unfairness.
Bring a proper rule in next season, and enforce it rigorously by all means. Institute review panels for televised games. All of that, brilliant. No problem with it. I just don't like the way this incident is being handled.
You have outlined why and how Tiernan McCann will get out of this charge and also what needs to be done to make sure all these cheats are nailed next year and thereafter.
The GAA gets itself into this kind of trouble by refusing to enforce its own rules. There is a terrible attitude towards rules and discipline throughout the GAA, from the top down.
Including and especially on match day. There is a rule for simulation, we see it all the time but how often have we seen a card for it? Very rarely to my mind.
If McCann had been shown a yellow at the time there would be no fuss. If Shields had been shown a yellow it wouldn't even be mentioned. Of course that is to place a bigger burden on the ref but that is precisely the problem. He needs better assistance and/or resources from other officials and the GAA.
All matches from the quarter finals are played in Croke Park these days, there is no excuse for not having a TMO process for matches in CP, whatever about other grounds. If grounds want to be considered for Provincial Finals it shouldn't be too hard to insist that this (TMO facility) is part of the required standard. That would cover everything from Provincial Finals onwards.
It appears from my neutral perspective that some prominent GAA people are tired of Tyrone and their perceived 'antics'. But treating them differently to everyone else isn't going to help that. If anything, reading some of the more hysterical posts here, it will make things worse.
I'm not a fan of Tyrone. I think Sean Cavanagh, while being a excellent footballer, is a flat-out cheat - exaggerates every tussle he's involved in. Every team has some element of divers and cheats, but none come anywhere near the systemic nature of Tyrone. What I don't understand is why the fans are so defensive when they are criticised. Why would they care if they are liked or not? They played some fabulous football in between, cutting through the Monaghan defence like a knife through butter. Fast flowing football, with a cutting edge. That's what I'd concentrate on if I was a Tyronie.
But to the point - its an absolute nonsense to suggest young McCann has brought the Association into disrepute. Nonsense.
He made a stupid mistake. The ref should have yellow carded him and made a diving motion, which would have embarrassed him in front of the crowd and no doubt would have led to him getting an earful from Monaghan players. With the ref missing it, the GAA should have announced that Hughes suspension is nullified because McCann dived. That, on top of the media coverage, is exactly a just punishment for McCann under our rules. Embarrassment. He's going to be remembered for it for a good few years.
But McCann, in no way, has brought the Association into disrepute. I don't think people reailse what a high level charge that is.
But nobody outside the Association would give a flying fig about a player feigning injury, so it just doesn't apply.
The Cork County board statement castigating a ref was far more worthy of a charge of bringing the game into disrepute.
In fact, the people who have brought this charge against McCann are more guilty of the charge than McCann. Its trumped up nonsense, with no validity whatsover, and will make the Association a laughing stock.
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2015, 05:09:28 PM
I'm not a fan of Tyrone. I think Sean Cavanagh, while being a excellent footballer, is a flat-out cheat - exaggerates every tussle he's involved in. Every team has some element of divers and cheats, but none come anywhere near the systemic nature of Tyrone. What I don't understand is why the fans are so defensive when they are criticised. Why would they care if they are liked or not? They played some fabulous football in between, cutting through the Monaghan defence like a knife through butter. Fast flowing football, with a cutting edge. That's what I'd concentrate on if I was a Tyronie.
But to the point - its an absolute nonsense to suggest young McCann has brought the Association into disrepute. Nonsense.
He made a stupid mistake. The ref should have yellow carded him and made a diving motion, which would have embarrassed him in front of the crowd and no doubt would have led to him getting an earful from Monaghan players. With the ref missing it, the GAA should have announced that Hughes suspension is nullified because McCann dived. That, on top of the media coverage, is exactly a just punishment for McCann under our rules. Embarrassment. He's going to be remembered for it for a good few years.
But McCann, in no way, has brought the Association into disrepute. I don't think people reailse what a high level charge that is.
But nobody outside the Association would give a flying fig about a player feigning injury, so it just doesn't apply.
The Cork County board statement castigating a ref was far more worthy of a charge of bringing the game into disrepute.
In fact, the people who have brought this charge against McCann are more guilty of the charge than McCann. Its trumped up nonsense, with no validity whatsover, and will make the Association a laughing stock.
Yip, good post.
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2015, 05:09:28 PM
I'm not a fan of Tyrone. I think Sean Cavanagh, while being a excellent footballer, is a flat-out cheat - exaggerates every tussle he's involved in. Every team has some element of divers and cheats, but none come anywhere near the systemic nature of Tyrone. What I don't understand is why the fans are so defensive when they are criticised. Why would they care if they are liked or not? They played some fabulous football in between, cutting through the Monaghan defence like a knife through butter. Fast flowing football, with a cutting edge. That's what I'd concentrate on if I was a Tyronie.
...
Do we really though? I don't. It's not about being liked or not, it's more about getting a raw deal, from various sources, and of which this latest debacle is just the latest example.
Well said the rest of that post.
Ban the whole lot of them.
Quote from: muppet on August 12, 2015, 04:12:37 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 12, 2015, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2015, 11:44:22 AM
Did you see the video link I posted of O'Mahony, Shields, O'Shea and Lundy. Each of them feigned injury to the face. If McCann deserves 8 weeks, each of them did too. So why did they not get it.
I hate diving, I want lads punished for pretending to be hurt to get lads sent off, but you can't base your disciplinery approach on Twitter or Colm O'Rourke. To do so in the middle of the year, while ignoring similar incidents in the same year, is bordering on blatant unfairness.
Bring a proper rule in next season, and enforce it rigorously by all means. Institute review panels for televised games. All of that, brilliant. No problem with it. I just don't like the way this incident is being handled.
You have outlined why and how Tiernan McCann will get out of this charge and also what needs to be done to make sure all these cheats are nailed next year and thereafter.
The GAA gets itself into this kind of trouble by refusing to enforce its own rules. There is a terrible attitude towards rules and discipline throughout the GAA, from the top down.
Including and especially on match day. There is a rule for simulation, we see it all the time but how often have we seen a card for it? Very rarely to my mind.
If McCann had been shown a yellow at the time there would be no fuss. If Shields had been shown a yellow it wouldn't even be mentioned. Of course that is to place a bigger burden on the ref but that is precisely the problem. He needs better assistance and/or resources from other officials and the GAA.
All matches from the quarter finals are played in Croke Park these days, there is no excuse for not having a TMO process for matches in CP, whatever about other grounds. If grounds want to be considered for Provincial Finals it shouldn't be too hard to insist that this (TMO facility) is part of the required standard. That would cover everything from Provincial Finals onwards.
It appears from my neutral perspective that some prominent GAA people are tired of Tyrone and their perceived 'antics'. But treating them differently to everyone else isn't going to help that. If anything, reading some of the more hysterical posts here, it will make things worse.
tired of Tyrone. We are only back in a semi final. Tyrone have won nothing from 08. Thats a half a playing career.
The exaggeration on Cavanagh's dying is stunning to say the least. He came for the usual rough house abuse he normally receives on Saturday, he was caught high around the neck from Corey early on and you could see a big mark left on his neck as result. Wylie quite cynically left his foot in on Cavanagh's lower back in the second half which he didn't get a free for and you could see a big red mark on that area when he was down from the Finlay incident (coincidentally Wylie was also the same person who delivered quite a crude knee to the head on Cavanagh in the league earlier on this year, McCurry was also on the receiving end of one of these in the first half - maybe people could start seeing the same trends they do with Tyrone). He was tripped by Beggan just outside the box before he did eventually win a free right at the start of the second half. Then there was the Finlay incident where he was hit twice - crudely and cynically.
Sean has taken dogs abuse over the years and has learned to become quite clever in highlighting it but he still takes an awful lot of abuse that goes unpunished and I'm thinking of a particular All Ireland semi final two years ago. Brolly has helped create an unfair rap for Cavanagh over the years, there are players out there who are every bit as big a "cheat"*as Cavanagh and most teams will have one on their team.
*Interchangeable with "cuteness" depending on whereabouts in the country the player hails from.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 12, 2015, 06:12:57 PM
The exaggeration on Cavanagh's dying is stunning to say the least. He came for the usual rough house abuse he normally receives on Saturday, he was caught high around the neck from Corey early on and you could see a big mark left on his neck as result. Wylie quite cynically left his foot in on Cavanagh's lower back in the second half which he didn't get a free for and you could see a big red mark on that area when he was down from the Finlay incident (coincidentally Wylie was also the same person who delivered quite a crude knee to the head on Cavanagh in the league earlier on this year, McCurry was also on the receiving end of one of these in the first half - maybe people could start seeing the same trends they do with Tyrone). He was tripped by Beggan just outside the box before he did eventually win a free right at the start of the second half. Then there was the Finlay incident where he was hit twice - crudely and cynically.
Sean has taken dogs abuse over the years and has learned to become quite clever in highlighting it but he still takes an awful lot of abuse that goes unpunished and I'm thinking of a particular All Ireland semi final two years ago. Brolly has helped create an unfair rap for Cavanagh over the years, there are players out there who are every bit as big a "cheat"*as Cavanagh and most teams will have one on their team.
*Interchangeable with "cuteness" depending on whereabouts in the country the player hails from.
I would agree. I am sure I saw him breathing at full time.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 12, 2015, 06:12:57 PM
The exaggeration on Cavanagh's dying is stunning to say the least. He came for the usual rough house abuse he normally receives on Saturday, he was caught high around the neck from Corey early on and you could see a big mark left on his neck as result. Wylie quite cynically left his foot in on Cavanagh's lower back in the second half which he didn't get a free for and you could see a big red mark on that area when he was down from the Finlay incident (coincidentally Wylie was also the same person who delivered quite a crude knee to the head on Cavanagh in the league earlier on this year, McCurry was also on the receiving end of one of these in the first half - maybe people could start seeing the same trends they do with Tyrone). He was tripped by Beggan just outside the box before he did eventually win a free right at the start of the second half. Then there was the Finlay incident where he was hit twice - crudely and cynically.
Sean has taken dogs abuse over the years and has learned to become quite clever in highlighting it but he still takes an awful lot of abuse that goes unpunished and I'm thinking of a particular All Ireland semi final two years ago. Brolly has helped create an unfair rap for Cavanagh over the years, there are players out there who are every bit as big a "cheat"*as Cavanagh and most teams will have one on their team.
*Interchangeable with "cuteness" depending on whereabouts in the country the player hails from.
He has dished a fair bit out as well, he is no Angel like you picture him to be!
He deserved at least a yellow for acting the ****, rolling around in fake agony, as for McCann, he should get the one match ban because that is the penalty, the second that goes down the GAA need to enforce harsher penalties on divers and players faking injury to take time off the clock.
He won't serve any time on the ban. I can see the point that they shouldn't single him out when others ths year have been at it too. There will be a rule change no doubt next year. It only serves to give Tyrone more fire in their bellies! Maybe it should have been stamped out in 03!!
Quote from: stew on August 12, 2015, 06:43:15 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 12, 2015, 06:12:57 PM
The exaggeration on Cavanagh's dying is stunning to say the least. He came for the usual rough house abuse he normally receives on Saturday, he was caught high around the neck from Corey early on and you could see a big mark left on his neck as result. Wylie quite cynically left his foot in on Cavanagh's lower back in the second half which he didn't get a free for and you could see a big red mark on that area when he was down from the Finlay incident (coincidentally Wylie was also the same person who delivered quite a crude knee to the head on Cavanagh in the league earlier on this year, McCurry was also on the receiving end of one of these in the first half - maybe people could start seeing the same trends they do with Tyrone). He was tripped by Beggan just outside the box before he did eventually win a free right at the start of the second half. Then there was the Finlay incident where he was hit twice - crudely and cynically.
Sean has taken dogs abuse over the years and has learned to become quite clever in highlighting it but he still takes an awful lot of abuse that goes unpunished and I'm thinking of a particular All Ireland semi final two years ago. Brolly has helped create an unfair rap for Cavanagh over the years, there are players out there who are every bit as big a "cheat"*as Cavanagh and most teams will have one on their team.
*Interchangeable with "cuteness" depending on whereabouts in the country the player hails from.
He has dished a fair bit out as well, he is no Angel like you picture him to be!
He deserved at least a yellow for acting the ****, rolling around in fake agony, as for McCann, he should get the one match ban because that is the penalty, the second that goes down the GAA need to enforce harsher penalties on divers and players faking injury to take time off the clock.
Can you let us know exactly when Cavanagh was "rolling around in fake agony" ::) please? ...
Also re McCann, no, a one match ban isn't the penalty for feigning injury .. its a yellow card I think you'll find !!
Quote from: outside-the-wire on August 12, 2015, 06:47:48 PM
He won't serve any time on the ban. I can see the point that they shouldn't single him out when others ths year have been at it too. There will be a rule change no doubt next year. It only serves to give Tyrone more fire in their bellies! Maybe it should have been stamped out in 03!!
Yes, the horse bolted a long time ago!
Quote from: stew on August 12, 2015, 06:43:15 PMHe deserved at least a yellow for acting the ****, rolling around in fake agony, as for McCann, he should get the one match ban because that is the penalty, the second that goes down the GAA need to enforce harsher penalties on divers and players faking injury to take time off the clock.
The penalty for a dive is a yellow card - not a one match ban :-\
Quote from: stew on August 12, 2015, 06:43:15 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 12, 2015, 06:12:57 PM
The exaggeration on Cavanagh's dying is stunning to say the least. He came for the usual rough house abuse he normally receives on Saturday, he was caught high around the neck from Corey early on and you could see a big mark left on his neck as result. Wylie quite cynically left his foot in on Cavanagh's lower back in the second half which he didn't get a free for and you could see a big red mark on that area when he was down from the Finlay incident (coincidentally Wylie was also the same person who delivered quite a crude knee to the head on Cavanagh in the league earlier on this year, McCurry was also on the receiving end of one of these in the first half - maybe people could start seeing the same trends they do with Tyrone). He was tripped by Beggan just outside the box before he did eventually win a free right at the start of the second half. Then there was the Finlay incident where he was hit twice - crudely and cynically.
Sean has taken dogs abuse over the years and has learned to become quite clever in highlighting it but he still takes an awful lot of abuse that goes unpunished and I'm thinking of a particular All Ireland semi final two years ago. Brolly has helped create an unfair rap for Cavanagh over the years, there are players out there who are every bit as big a "cheat"*as Cavanagh and most teams will have one on their team.
*Interchangeable with "cuteness" depending on whereabouts in the country the player hails from.
He has dished a fair bit out as well, he is no Angel like you picture him to be!
He deserved at least a yellow for acting the ****, rolling around in fake agony, as for McCann, he should get the one match ban because that is the penalty, the second that goes down the GAA need to enforce harsher penalties on divers and players faking injury to take time off the clock.
He is no angel, I agree but the perception about him put forward by certain media figures is out of kilter with reality. There are players out there who are every bit as good/guilty at what Cavanagh comes in for immense stick and scrutiny for but they don't receive the same attention.
Gooch has been a master over the years in gaining soft frees, God help us if anyone called him a cheat over it, they're probably be a van packed with spooks sent after you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoTpFZPdtEM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoTpFZPdtEM)
What exactly is Cavanagh protesting here? 'I hit him with my biceps'?
Well said. Can the dramatists refer to the above.
Has he actually been banned yet or is this just a presumption?
The reason a yellow card is not seen as justice in this case is quite simply there is no totting up or sanction for continually getting yellow cards, that I am aware of. A totting up system such as in Soccer leading to a ban would bring some resolution to this. In the championship it could be two successive yellows equals a one match ban in the same competition carried over to the following year if necessary. In that instance a retrospective yellow would suffice in the McCann incident. Marty Duffy I would think has had his Sludden moment. Queue him doing a couple of NFL Div 3/4 games next season before disappearing to the club scene. On the evidence of his performances that's probably where he should be. The sending off is not McCann's fault Duffy made the decision whilst looking directly at the incident.
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 13, 2015, 11:43:56 AM
The reason a yellow card is not seen as justice in this case is quite simply there is no totting up or sanction for continually getting yellow cards, that I am aware of. A totting up system such as in Soccer leading to a ban would bring some resolution to this. In the championship it could be two successive yellows equals a one match ban in the same competition carried over to the following year if necessary. In that instance a retrospective yellow would suffice in the McCann incident. Marty Duffy I would think has had his Sludden moment. Queue him doing a couple of NFL Div 3/4 games next season before disappearing to the club scene. On the evidence of his performances that's probably where he should be. The sending off is not McCann's fault Duffy made the decision whilst looking directly at the incident.
That would be a even bigger advantage to the likes of Kerry, Dublin and Mayo given they only start to play serious games from August onwards.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 13, 2015, 11:49:24 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 13, 2015, 11:43:56 AM
The reason a yellow card is not seen as justice in this case is quite simply there is no totting up or sanction for continually getting yellow cards, that I am aware of. A totting up system such as in Soccer leading to a ban would bring some resolution to this. In the championship it could be two successive yellows equals a one match ban in the same competition carried over to the following year if necessary. In that instance a retrospective yellow would suffice in the McCann incident. Marty Duffy I would think has had his Sludden moment. Queue him doing a couple of NFL Div 3/4 games next season before disappearing to the club scene. On the evidence of his performances that's probably where he should be. The sending off is not McCann's fault Duffy made the decision whilst looking directly at the incident.
That would be a even bigger advantage to the likes of Kerry, Dublin and Mayo given they only start to play serious games from August onwards.
Not necessarily but it would make players think.
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 13, 2015, 12:21:56 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 13, 2015, 11:49:24 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 13, 2015, 11:43:56 AM
The reason a yellow card is not seen as justice in this case is quite simply there is no totting up or sanction for continually getting yellow cards, that I am aware of. A totting up system such as in Soccer leading to a ban would bring some resolution to this. In the championship it could be two successive yellows equals a one match ban in the same competition carried over to the following year if necessary. In that instance a retrospective yellow would suffice in the McCann incident. Marty Duffy I would think has had his Sludden moment. Queue him doing a couple of NFL Div 3/4 games next season before disappearing to the club scene. On the evidence of his performances that's probably where he should be. The sending off is not McCann's fault Duffy made the decision whilst looking directly at the incident.
That would be a even bigger advantage to the likes of Kerry, Dublin and Mayo given they only start to play serious games from August onwards.
Not necessarily but it would make players think.
I do think it would help the deeper panels. Imagine Conor McManus or Michael Murphy missing an AI semi-final due to a yellow card ban. Then pick any Dublin or Kerry forward you like. It would be a far greater punishment on Monaghan or Donegal imho.
As Brolly intimates, he can't be charged with bringing the game into disrepute. He feigned injury in an attempt to gain an advantage, theres a penalty already clearly laid out for that. If they can charge him for something else instead on a whim, then what point is there in having any rules in the first place? It can't be done. Whoever comes up with this sh**e make idiots of themselves at every turn round.
Has the 8 week ban been confirmed though? The whole thing has been that amateurish that it wouldn't surprise me if they let it slip just so they could gauge reaction, and act accordingly re the actual punishment.
Everyone agrees diving needs to be clamped down on - but it has to be done fairly and reasonably. I can see why Tyrone feel aggrieved at the way they have been treated here, it does smack of bias.
I was talking to a man who once went with a player to one of the appeal hearings.
The two of them walked into the room and faced the music. The first question was along the lines of 'what sort of fella is Ciarán McDonald'? McDonald wasn't the player in question, but the lad with the player quickly recognised an opportunity to lighten the mood and told some heroic stories about McD in club games and like. After a while telling stories he said, but what about my man here and his appeal? 'Ah that's all grand' was the reply.
I am guessing things are a little more procedural these days, but who knows.
Quote from: haranguerer on August 13, 2015, 01:16:00 PM
As Brolly intimates, he can't be charged with bringing the game into disrepute. He feigned injury in an attempt to gain an advantage, theres a penalty already clearly laid out for that. If they can charge him for something else instead on a whim, then what point is there in having any rules in the first place? It can't be done. Whoever comes up with this sh**e make idiots of themselves at every turn round.
Has the 8 week ban been confirmed though? The whole thing has been that amateurish that it wouldn't surprise me if they let it slip just so they could gauge reaction, and act accordingly re the actual punishment.
Everyone agrees diving needs to be clamped down on - but it has to be done fairly and reasonably. I can see why Tyrone feel aggrieved at the way they have been treated here, it does smack of bias.
Was on the radio there that they're appealing it. I see it's on BBC now too.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/33880919
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has confirmed that Tiernan McCann will appeal against the eight-week play-acting ban that he has been handed.
McCann received the ban after his feigning of injury contributed to Monaghan's Darren Hughes's red card in Saturday's All-Ireland quarter-final.
"The county board is contesting it," said Harte.
Reacting to the suspension, Harte said: "Surprised isn't the word I would use. I would use a stronger word."
McCann has come in for strong criticism for collapsing to the Croke Park turf after Hughes gently ruffled his hair in Saturday's game .
The player is believed to have been suspended under the rule relating to discrediting the GAA.
The ban would rule McCann out of the All-Ireland semi-final against Kerry and the Killyclogher man would also miss a potential All-Ireland decider if Tyrone come through their Kingdom test.
Red Hands boss Mickey Harte told BBC Sport Northern Ireland on Monday that McCann would "wish to have responded differently" to Hughes's action.
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Mickey Harte says Tiernan McCann knows he made mistake
However, Harte also defended McCann, describing him as a "fine young man".
Hughes's sending-off in injury-time did not materially affect Saturday's result as the Red Hands were already assured of victory but RTE GAA pundits Colm O'Rourke and Ciaran Whelan have been among those to strongly criticise McCann's actions.
O'Rourke described the late incident as dreadful with Whelan dubbing McCann's behaviour as appalling.
Amid the furore, Tyrone manager Harte did feel compelled to address the issue in his BBC interview.
"On behalf of Tiernan McCann, I'm saying if he had the chance again, he probably would have responded differently. We all accept that," added the Tyrone boss.
"But I don't think he's the first person to ever have over-reacted to anything and I don't think he will be the last.
"There are plenty of precedents there which have happened before and didn't cause the same furore.
"Tiernan McCann is a fine young man and a wonderful footballer."
Former Derry GAA star Joe Brolly is a barrister Joe Brolly has described McCann's proposed ban as "unlawful"
Reacting to news of McCann's proposed ban, former Derry GAA player Joe Brolly described the GAA's penalty as "unlawful".
Writing in the Sunday Independent last weekend, Brolly lambasted the actions of a number of Tyrone's players in the Monaghan game and said the match represented "everything that is bad about modern gaelic football".
However following news of McCann's ban , Brolly, who is a barrister, said that GAA rules only provided a yellow card being handed out for feigning injury.
Writing on Twitter, Brolly said: "The law of statutory interpretation applies to any rule.
"The lawmaker (Congress) has created a specific offence of simulation with a specific penalty (yellow card).
"The central point is that feigning is feigning.
"The penalty is a yellow card. How can any single act of feigning be worse?
"The point of the rule is to create certainty for the player and the GAA. If misconduct can override it the rule is worthless."
Brolly added that the case "is most certainly headed" for the GAA's independent Disputes Resolution Authority.
Quote from: haranguerer on August 13, 2015, 01:16:00 PM
Has the 8 week ban been confirmed though? The whole thing has been that amateurish that it wouldn't surprise me if they let it slip just so they could gauge reaction, and act accordingly re the actual punishment.
The
proposed punishment has been confirmed, only when that has been accepted by the
victim defendant, will the punishment itself have been confirmed.
I think Monaghan should look a replay (saying the GAA seem to be a anti-Tyrone mood).
Quote from: Bingo on August 13, 2015, 02:32:13 PM
I think Monaghan should look a replay (saying the GAA seem to be a anti-Tyrone mood).
They'd probably get it too.
Tho the Tyrone bunting has already went up for the semi so they'll hardly be in the mood to take it down again to put up the Monaghan bunting, only to have to take it down again and put up the Tyrone bunting again anyway. They're foresightful like that in the Farney
Any general consensus that could bring us out of all this diving that has been going on over the last ten years?
This is the way I see it, and would love if someone could explain it to me if I'm wrong.
1. Calls to ban him for life as if he's the only man who's ever tried to con the ref or buy a free.
2. Tyrone feel understandably hard done by but moan as if they aren't involved in a high proportion of these incidents. They decide not to look at themselves instead the siege mentality grows.
3. Ban doesn't stand as we calm down a bit and we're ALL back diving and mouthing next season.
Quote from: Bingo on August 13, 2015, 02:32:13 PM
I think Monaghan should look a replay (saying the GAA seem to be a anti-Tyrone mood).
Tyrone would still wipe the floor with them!
Quote from: haranguerer on August 13, 2015, 01:16:00 PM
As Brolly intimates, he can't be charged with bringing the game into disrepute. He feigned injury in an attempt to gain an advantage, theres a penalty already clearly laid out for that. If they can charge him for something else instead on a whim, then what point is there in having any rules in the first place? It can't be done. Whoever comes up with this sh**e make idiots of themselves at every turn round.
Notwithstanding Joe's legal credentials, I can't see anything in the rule book that says the rules are mutually exclusive. In fact, Rule 7.2(e) (discrediting the association) specifically mentions that it includes one particular infraction that is covered by another rule - racial abuse. This would seem to suggest that it may also be applied to any other infraction already covered by rule, since no infraction is specifically excluded from 7.2(e).
I think it was under that rule that Aaron Devlin (God Rest Him) was suspended for his Twitter comments after the Derry final last year
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 05:57:32 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on August 13, 2015, 01:16:00 PM
As Brolly intimates, he can't be charged with bringing the game into disrepute. He feigned injury in an attempt to gain an advantage, theres a penalty already clearly laid out for that. If they can charge him for something else instead on a whim, then what point is there in having any rules in the first place? It can't be done. Whoever comes up with this sh**e make idiots of themselves at every turn round.
Notwithstanding Joe's legal credentials, I can't see anything in the rule book that says the rules are mutually exclusive. In fact, Rule 7.2(e) (discrediting the association) specifically mentions that it includes one particular infraction that is covered by another rule - racial abuse. This would seem to suggest that it may also be applied to any other infraction already covered by rule, since no infraction is specifically excluded from 7.2(e).
Yes but the rules and their application must be seen to be fair to all.
There is evidence of other players conducting the same, or at least a similar offence, and either no action being taken or some may have received a yellow card under the normal rule. The above were all either missed, ignored or dealt with by the referees under the rules of the game.
The issue will probably be why was the disrepute rule was used in McCann's case and in none of the others?
And the answer might be "why not?"
If Joe Brolly wants to pretend that the legal system informs the GAA disciplinary procedure he'd need to be consistent and remember the principle that the fact that one person gets away with a crime doesn't mean everyone else must be forgiven the same crime; or that all instances of the same crime must incur the same sentence.
But that's only to attempt to debunk Joe's claims. I agree with you that consistency and fairness are important (though ultimately impossible in the absolute). In this case, though, as I've argued elsewhere, I'll live with a little unfairness in the interest of an effective strike against play-acting. And to be honest I won't lose too much sleep over unfairness in this particular case. Anyone who carries on like that doesn't have much grounds to be demanding fairness.
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 09:21:54 PM
And the answer might be "why not?"
If Joe Brolly wants to pretend that the legal system informs the GAA disciplinary procedure he'd need to be consistent and remember the principle that the fact that one person gets away with a crime doesn't mean everyone else must be forgiven the same crime; or that all instances of the same crime must incur the same sentence.
But that's only to attempt to debunk Joe's claims. I agree with you that consistency and fairness are important (though ultimately impossible in the absolute). In this case, though, as I've argued elsewhere, I'll live with a little unfairness in the interest of an effective strike against play-acting. And to be honest I won't lose too much sleep over unfairness in this particular case. Anyone who carries on like that doesn't have much grounds to be demanding fairness.
Thats one view. However i could never be as accepting of a sporting organisation acting unfairly. In fact it calls the reputation of the organisation into question. That for me would be an even bigger worry than a player taking a dive for me.
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 09:21:54 PM
And the answer might be "why not?"
If Joe Brolly wants to pretend that the legal system informs the GAA disciplinary procedure he'd need to be consistent and remember the principle that the fact that one person gets away with a crime doesn't mean everyone else must be forgiven the same crime; or that all instances of the same crime must incur the same sentence.
But that's only to attempt to debunk Joe's claims. I agree with you that consistency and fairness are important (though ultimately impossible in the absolute). In this case, though, as I've argued elsewhere, I'll live with a little unfairness in the interest of an effective strike against play-acting. And to be honest I won't lose too much sleep over unfairness in this particular case. Anyone who carries on like that doesn't have much grounds to be demanding fairness.
That is fair enough in the context of the GAA. But I bet the courts won't see it that way.
You're not suggesting it will go to court?
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 09:39:04 PM
You're not suggesting it will go to court?
They did it before.
Is a DRA finding binding?
Was there not a court case over mcmenamin that was won in 2005 i think? The one where he got done on video for the knee incident.
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 09:40:41 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 09:39:04 PM
You're not suggesting it will go to court?
They did it before.
Is a DRA finding binding?
It is in the sense that that's what everybody signed up to. But everyone can go to court, though I don't think anyone has had the brass neck to do so since the DRA was instituted. I can't imagine Tyrone would squander the respect and esteem in which they're held by the rest of us.
Wasn't McMenamin post DRA? In fact, wasn't it one of the cases that led to the redrafting of the disciplinary system?
Make it a black card offence with the caveat that a retrospective ban could follow
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:00:56 PM
Why can't we have an effective strike against play acting by saying that from now on it will be a 2 month ban, without banning McCann? Change the rules, everyone has been warned.
We could. But that would mean McCann got away with it. I know others have got away with it. But being fair to McCann (who didn't give a shite about fairness to the game or his opponent) isn't that high on my list of priorities.
It's not the end of the world that the association says that's it. Enough of this shite. Here's an eight week ban. Now, who's next for a dive? It's unorthodox, but likely to be more effective, not least because all of Irish sport is talking about and any cheating little bollix who might have taken a belly flop this weekend might just think again.
I meant to say, it's only unfair in the sense that others who did similar stunts (though not QUITE as bad) didn't get the same punishment. It's not unfair in any legal sense, so fire away, I say to the CCCC. We either want to stop this crap or we don't.
I just wish Joe Sheridan had shared your honourable values.
Quote from: rrhf on August 13, 2015, 10:17:14 PM
I just wish Joe Sheridan had shared your honourable values.
More. misdirection. Whatabout, look at ... it's somebody else's fault.
The relevant point here is that Joe did nothing wrong.
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:09:20 PM
I meant to say, it's only unfair in the sense that others who did similar stunts (though not QUITE as bad) didn't get the same punishment. It's not unfair in any legal sense, so fire away, I say to the CCCC. We either want to stop this crap or we don't.
But that's ignoring why others were allowed to get away with it and this case wasn't. If there's bias in selecting which cases to review, then that's a serious issue as well and calls the organisation into question.
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:16:07 PM
He got away with it because it was only covered by a yellow card in our rules at the time of the offence. That is the same reason why others were let away with it in the past.
It is unfair in that the rule book (the day he played that match) states that doing such would be a yellow card, yet he was given a totally different punishment.
More than one rule covers what he did. The rule book also states that discrediting the association carries a minimum penalty of eight weeks' suspension. Does anyone mintain that McCann's carry-on didn't discredit the association? (You wouldn't doubt it if you had to listed to soccer and rugby heads around here.)
So there's no huge violation of human rights here. And that's by no means a 'bizarre' position. You could call it bizarre if it was alone-in-a thousand opinion. I'd say a few dozen on this board alone agree that if this works, it will be a good day's work.
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:18:38 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 13, 2015, 10:17:14 PM
I just wish Joe Sheridan had shared your honourable values.
More. misdirection. Whatabout, look at ... it's somebody else's fault.
The relevant point here is that Joe did nothing wrong.
It discredited the association meath 96 discredited the association to a level a serious discreditor could only dream of..
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 13, 2015, 10:19:58 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:09:20 PM
I meant to say, it's only unfair in the sense that others who did similar stunts (though not QUITE as bad) didn't get the same punishment. It's not unfair in any legal sense, so fire away, I say to the CCCC. We either want to stop this crap or we don't.
But that's ignoring why others were allowed to get away with it and this case wasn't.
Obviuously.
QuoteIf there's bias in selecting which cases to review, then that's a serious issue as well and calls the organisation into question.
Yes. A serious issue. But in my opinion not as serious as doing nothing after FOUR different episodes of this in the championship. Yes, we could have had a statement and a pious promise that we WOULD deal with it. Next year. Or next week.
This gets the attention of the cheats.
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:25:02 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:16:07 PM
He got away with it because it was only covered by a yellow card in our rules at the time of the offence. That is the same reason why others were let away with it in the past.
It is unfair in that the rule book (the day he played that match) states that doing such would be a yellow card, yet he was given a totally different punishment.
More than one rule covers what he did. The rule book also states that discrediting the association carries a minimum penalty of eight weeks' suspension. Does anyone mintain that McCann's carry-on didn't discredit the association? (You wouldn't doubt it if you had to listed to soccer and rugby heads around here.)
So there's no huge violation of human rights here. And that's by no means a 'bizarre' position. You could call it bizarre if it was alone-in-a thousand opinion. I'd say a few dozen on this board alone agree that if this works, it will be a good day's work.
Ffs, if we start over riding rules by saying people discredit the association then everyone will get 8 weeks ban. Every punch, kick, sledge, (or in Meaths case, stamps to the head) etc discredits the association. Are we now going to say that although a dive is deemed a yellow card offence and a punch or kick a red card offence (I.e. A lesser on field offence) it is however liable to a greater charge of discrediting the association at a whim or if there is a sufficient media furore?
Quote from: rrhf on August 13, 2015, 10:28:05 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:18:38 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 13, 2015, 10:17:14 PM
I just wish Joe Sheridan had shared your honourable values.
More. misdirection. Whatabout, look at ... it's somebody else's fault.
The relevant point here is that Joe did nothing wrong.
It discredited the association meath 96 discredited the association to a level a serious discreditor could only dream of..
Misdirection not working. Joe brought nothing but credit to the Association. Please don't mention him or the Meath team again on the same page as Tiernan McCann or Tyrone.
Whinge on somewhere else.
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:29:15 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 13, 2015, 10:19:58 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:09:20 PM
I meant to say, it's only unfair in the sense that others who did similar stunts (though not QUITE as bad) didn't get the same punishment. It's not unfair in any legal sense, so fire away, I say to the CCCC. We either want to stop this crap or we don't.
But that's ignoring why others were allowed to get away with it and this case wasn't.
Obviuously.
QuoteIf there's bias in selecting which cases to review, then that's a serious issue as well and calls the organisation into question.
Yes. A serious issue. But in my opinion not as serious as doing nothing after FOUR different episodes of this in the championship. Yes, we could have had a statement and a pious promise that we WOULD deal with it. Next year. Or next week.
This gets the attention of the cheats.
If that your line of thinking the HET would be called in for the crimes your lot perpetrated over the years
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 13, 2015, 10:32:24 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:25:02 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:16:07 PM
He got away with it because it was only covered by a yellow card in our rules at the time of the offence. That is the same reason why others were let away with it in the past.
It is unfair in that the rule book (the day he played that match) states that doing such would be a yellow card, yet he was given a totally different punishment.
More than one rule covers what he did. The rule book also states that discrediting the association carries a minimum penalty of eight weeks' suspension. Does anyone mintain that McCann's carry-on didn't discredit the association? (You wouldn't doubt it if you had to listed to soccer and rugby heads around here.)
So there's no huge violation of human rights here. And that's by no means a 'bizarre' position. You could call it bizarre if it was alone-in-a thousand opinion. I'd say a few dozen on this board alone agree that if this works, it will be a good day's work.
Ffs, if we start over riding rules by saying people discredit the association then everyone will get 8 weeks ban. Every punch, kick, sledge, (or in Meaths case, stamps to the head) etc discredits the association. Are we now going to say that although a dive is deemed a yellow card offence and a punch or kick a red card offence (I.e. A lesser on field offence) it is however liable to a greater charge of discrediting the association at a whim or if there is a sufficient media furore?
No. I'm saying it always was. It's in the rules and was always a permissible option at the discretion of the CCCC.
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:29:15 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 13, 2015, 10:19:58 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:09:20 PM
I meant to say, it's only unfair in the sense that others who did similar stunts (though not QUITE as bad) didn't get the same punishment. It's not unfair in any legal sense, so fire away, I say to the CCCC. We either want to stop this crap or we don't.
But that's ignoring why others were allowed to get away with it and this case wasn't.
Obviuously.
QuoteIf there's bias in selecting which cases to review, then that's a serious issue as well and calls the organisation into question.
Yes. A serious issue. But in my opinion not as serious as doing nothing after FOUR different episodes of this in the championship. Yes, we could have had a statement and a pious promise that we WOULD deal with it. Next year. Or next week.
This gets the attention of the cheats.
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:29:15 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 13, 2015, 10:19:58 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:09:20 PM
I meant to say, it's only unfair in the sense that others who did similar stunts (though not QUITE as bad) didn't get the same punishment. It's not unfair in any legal sense, so fire away, I say to the CCCC. We either want to stop this crap or we don't.
But that's ignoring why others were allowed to get away with it and this case wasn't.
Obviuously.
QuoteIf there's bias in selecting which cases to review, then that's a serious issue as well and calls the organisation into question.
Yes. A serious issue. But in my opinion not as serious as doing nothing after FOUR different episodes of this in the championship. Yes, we could have had a statement and a pious promise that we WOULD deal with it. Next year. Or next week.
This gets the attention of the cheats.
And opens the organisation to accusations of bias which in my eyes would be much worse. A dishonest player is bad, a biased organisation is much worse.
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 13, 2015, 10:33:19 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:29:15 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 13, 2015, 10:19:58 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:09:20 PM
I meant to say, it's only unfair in the sense that others who did similar stunts (though not QUITE as bad) didn't get the same punishment. It's not unfair in any legal sense, so fire away, I say to the CCCC. We either want to stop this crap or we don't.
But that's ignoring why others were allowed to get away with it and this case wasn't.
Obviuously.
QuoteIf there's bias in selecting which cases to review, then that's a serious issue as well and calls the organisation into question.
Yes. A serious issue. But in my opinion not as serious as doing nothing after FOUR different episodes of this in the championship. Yes, we could have had a statement and a pious promise that we WOULD deal with it. Next year. Or next week.
This gets the attention of the cheats.
If that your line of thinking the HET would be called in for the crimes your lot perpetrated over the years
I love the idea of the idea of the HET getting involved....Dawn raids to the homes of the 96 Meath team. Long over due if you ask me.
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:25:02 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:16:07 PM
He got away with it because it was only covered by a yellow card in our rules at the time of the offence. That is the same reason why others were let away with it in the past.
It is unfair in that the rule book (the day he played that match) states that doing such would be a yellow card, yet he was given a totally different punishment.
More than one rule covers what he did. The rule book also states that discrediting the association carries a minimum penalty of eight weeks' suspension. Does anyone mintain that McCann's carry-on didn't discredit the association? (You wouldn't doubt it if you had to listed to soccer and rugby heads around here.)
So there's no huge violation of human rights here. And that's by no means a 'bizarre' position. You could call it bizarre if it was alone-in-a thousand opinion. I'd say a few dozen on this board alone agree that if this works, it will be a good day's work.
What discredits the association is RTE's vendetta against Tyrone by creating a media frenzy over incidents which Tyrone players get involved in while ignoring other county players who have similary offended. What discredits the association is that the major disciplinary body is prepared to bow to the same media frenzy by making the rules up as they go along and treating one player differently from another. What discredits the association is that the GAA allow a poor ref like Marty Duffy take charge of high profile games. Under the rules to fain injury is a yellow card offence. Untill the rule book passed by congress defines diving under a red card offence or as an example of discrediting the association then the answer is no he has not discredited the association. However i do think a charge against a few high profile members of the association who happen to be members of the Sunday game panel ahould be charged.
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
This is my favourite line from this thread so far. And someone accused Tyrone of having a lack of perspective. ;D
https://www.facebook.com/kieran.gilligan.75/videos/747856278657765/ (https://www.facebook.com/kieran.gilligan.75/videos/747856278657765/)
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:32:59 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 13, 2015, 10:28:05 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:18:38 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 13, 2015, 10:17:14 PM
I just wish Joe Sheridan had shared your honourable values.
More. misdirection. Whatabout, look at ... it's somebody else's fault.
The relevant point here is that Joe did nothing wrong.
It discredited the association meath 96 discredited the association to a level a serious discreditor could only dream of..
Misdirection not working. Joe brought nothing but credit to the Association. Please don't mention him or the Meath team again on the same page as Tiernan McCann or Tyrone.
Whinge on somewhere else.
Misdirection you might say, but if only Tiernan McCann had been able to delay his fall for a few seconds and then fall theatrically back. He might just have been able to close to matching the legend that is Aidan O'Mahony. Never get tired of watching this clip....I doubt it will ever be surpassed in our lifetime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuU3EdJ1NQ
Quote from: GJL on August 13, 2015, 10:59:08 PM
https://www.facebook.com/kieran.gilligan.75/videos/747856278657765/ (https://www.facebook.com/kieran.gilligan.75/videos/747856278657765/)
According to Colm O'Rourke, Sean was both diving and time wasting there apparently.
Look, its all tactics:
1. Diving is not ingrained in football and two Ulster teams showed themselves up last week and allow hysteria to be whipped by all and sundry.
2. CCCC impose a ban on McCann.
3. Tyrone appeal the suspension and win, McCann plays in semi final.
4. Continued weeping and gnashing of teeth as well as quite a bit of handwringing.
5. Special Congress is given a new rule change for immediate implementation to save football and everyone rows in behind it.
6. Red or black card introduced for feigning injury or diving.
7. Referees do not implement the change but give out yellow cards instead!
Quote from: GJL on August 13, 2015, 10:59:08 PM
https://www.facebook.com/kieran.gilligan.75/videos/747856278657765/ (https://www.facebook.com/kieran.gilligan.75/videos/747856278657765/)
Definitely not a punch, but a push of Cavanagh's head down to the ground.
Quote from: GJL on August 13, 2015, 10:59:08 PM
https://www.facebook.com/kieran.gilligan.75/videos/747856278657765/ (https://www.facebook.com/kieran.gilligan.75/videos/747856278657765/)
Couldn't have been that hard, the fist didn't 'bounce' off Kavanagh's head.
More seriously though, it looks to me from that angle, to have been a deliberate attempt to punch to the head with the right hand. What ban will Finley get?
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 11:18:23 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 11:13:40 PM
Quote from: GJL on August 13, 2015, 10:59:08 PM
https://www.facebook.com/kieran.gilligan.75/videos/747856278657765/ (https://www.facebook.com/kieran.gilligan.75/videos/747856278657765/)
Couldn't have been that hard, the fist didn't 'bounce' off Kavanagh's head.
More seriously though, it looks to me from that angle, to have been a deliberate attempt to punch to the head with the right hand. What ban will Finley get?
2 months for bringing the association into disrepute. Is there any point in having any other type of ban?
Fair enough. And what punishment would you give Finley?
a lot has been said from Saturday. It's clear the lad made a mistake but what was needed was integrity from the Tyrone manager and county board.
Why didn't Harte make a statement about how fine a young man he was and go on to blame someone else for the incident when he could have resolved the issue by saying ok he is not selecting him for the next game. Then the County board then condone his actions in stating they are appealing the CCCC determination. Integrity has been missing from 2003 with Tyrone remember Armagh's Mardsen, Ricey, Battle of Omagh and the disgusting treatment of Michael Murphy at the preliminary match in Omagh this year. Do you get the picture?
Quote from: headoftheroad on August 13, 2015, 11:41:14 PM
a lot has been said from Saturday. It's clear the lad made a mistake but what was needed was integrity from the Tyrone manager and county board.
Why didn't Harte make a statement about how fine a young man he was and go on to blame someone else for the incident when he could have resolved the issue by saying ok he is not selecting him for the next game. Then the County board then condone his actions in stating they are appealing the CCCC determination. Integrity has been missing from 2003 with Tyrone remember Armagh's Mardsen, Ricey, Battle of Omagh and the disgusting treatment of Michael Murphy at the preliminary match in Omagh this year. Do you get the picture?
Marsden struck, Battle of Omagh Dubs instigated, Murphy well marked by Justy and Ricey........well I will give you that one.
The Prelim game was in Ballybofey this year ;)
Quote from: headoftheroad on August 13, 2015, 11:41:14 PM
a lot has been said from Saturday. It's clear the lad made a mistake but what was needed was integrity from the Tyrone manager and county board.
Why didn't Harte make a statement about how fine a young man he was and go on to blame someone else for the incident when he could have resolved the issue by saying ok he is not selecting him for the next game. Then the County board then condone his actions in stating they are appealing the CCCC determination. Integrity has been missing from 2003 with Tyrone remember Armagh's Mardsen, Ricey, Battle of Omagh and the disgusting treatment of Michael Murphy at the preliminary match in Omagh this year. Do you get the picture?
A lot has been said indeed. And why do you think Tyrone should............actually, I can't be bothered. Some people have no interest in viewing this beyond their own bias.
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 11:18:23 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 13, 2015, 11:13:40 PM
Quote from: GJL on August 13, 2015, 10:59:08 PM
https://www.facebook.com/kieran.gilligan.75/videos/747856278657765/ (https://www.facebook.com/kieran.gilligan.75/videos/747856278657765/)
Couldn't have been that hard, the fist didn't 'bounce' off Kavanagh's head.
More seriously though, it looks to me from that angle, to have been a deliberate attempt to punch to the head with the right hand. What ban will Finley get?
2 months for bringing the association into disrepute. Is there any point in having any other type of ban?
What about this one HS? 2 months as well?
https://www.facebook.com/kevin.christie.104/videos/10153042719793015/?pnref=story
Ah you corrected my mistake sorry Ballybofey
Why didn't Harte and the County Board correct the Lad's mistake and drop him for the next match
Quote from: headoftheroad on August 13, 2015, 11:59:59 PM
Ah you corrected my mistake sorry Ballybofey
Why didn't Harte and the County Board correct the Lad's mistake and drop him for the next match
Has this ever happened in any county, after any incident in the history of the GAA? Or is this the worst ever thing to happen in the GAA so requires this unprecedented action?
How do you know he won't be dropped for the next match?
That is if he gets off his suspension - but unless that happens your point is moot.
"Marsden struck, Battle of Omagh Dubs instigated, Murphy well marked by Justy and Ricey........well I will give you that one."come on
Marsden struck come on watch the footage and again I say integrity is everything and I quote from Bennyharp "some people have no interest in viewing beyond their own bias"
Gabriel you missed my point. If Harte had been a premiership manager he would have acted and stated on Monday he had spoken to the player and has decided not to select him for the next game the CCCC would not have acted and the situation would not have arose.
By the way the dogs on the street know the CCCC will be overturned either at hearings or DRA and the Harte will still have an opportunity to put his best foot forward but this requires integrity but as I have pointed out he lacks this
QuoteIf Harte had been a premiership manager he would have acted and stated on Monday he had spoken to the player and has decided not to select him for the next game the CCCC would not have acted and the situation would not have arose.
Do you really believe that? :o
What I believe is the arrogance of your management is unbelievable!!!
Quote from: headoftheroad on August 14, 2015, 12:25:35 AM
What I believe is the arrogance of your management is unbelievable!!!
To be fair, if Harte was a Premiership Manager, he would have said 'there was definitely contact' and we would have all nodded our silly little heads.
Anyone know when diving became a yellow card offence?
Quote from: headoftheroad on August 14, 2015, 12:25:35 AM
What I believe is the arrogance of your management is unbelievable!!!
Ah the believable unbelievables. :o Just so we're clear on the precedent of what you are proposing. Can you name another county, in the history of the GAA who has effectively suspended their own player for any game never mind an AI semi final, due to an action on the pitch in the previous game? Did Kerry do this after O'Mahony? Did Cork offer this after Micheal Shields? Did the Dubs offer up the spitters? Ive had a glance at your other posts, the Shields incident didn't even warrant a post on the board from you, never mind calling for self imposed suspension. Is this the worst thing ever to happen on a GAA field to warrant the unprecedented action of suspending your own player?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2015, 12:53:42 AM
Quote from: headoftheroad on August 14, 2015, 12:25:35 AM
What I believe is the arrogance of your management is unbelievable!!!
Ah the believable unbelievables. :o Just so we're clear on the precedent of what you are proposing. Can you name another county, in the history of the GAA who has effectively suspended their own player for any game never mind an AI semi final, due to an action on the pitch in the previous game? Did Kerry do this after O'Mahony? Did Cork offer this after Micheal Shields? Did the Dubs offer up the spitters? Ive had a glance at your other posts, the Shields incident didn't even warrant a post on the board from you, never mind calling for self imposed suspension. Is this the worst thing ever to happen on a GAA field to warrant the unprecedented action of suspending your own player?
Did the Dubs offer up the Bite'ers ?
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 14, 2015, 12:58:42 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2015, 12:53:42 AM
Quote from: headoftheroad on August 14, 2015, 12:25:35 AM
What I believe is the arrogance of your management is unbelievable!!!
Ah the believable unbelievables. :o Just so we're clear on the precedent of what you are proposing. Can you name another county, in the history of the GAA who has effectively suspended their own player for any game never mind an AI semi final, due to an action on the pitch in the previous game? Did Kerry do this after O'Mahony? Did Cork offer this after Micheal Shields? Did the Dubs offer up the spitters? Ive had a glance at your other posts, the Shields incident didn't even warrant a post on the board from you, never mind calling for self imposed suspension. Is this the worst thing ever to happen on a GAA field to warrant the unprecedented action of suspending your own player?
Did the Dubs offer up the Bite'ers ?
Sorry, yes I meant bite'ers!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2015, 01:01:35 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 14, 2015, 12:58:42 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2015, 12:53:42 AM
Quote from: headoftheroad on August 14, 2015, 12:25:35 AM
What I believe is the arrogance of your management is unbelievable!!!
Ah the believable unbelievables. :o Just so we're clear on the precedent of what you are proposing. Can you name another county, in the history of the GAA who has effectively suspended their own player for any game never mind an AI semi final, due to an action on the pitch in the previous game? Did Kerry do this after O'Mahony? Did Cork offer this after Micheal Shields? Did the Dubs offer up the spitters? Ive had a glance at your other posts, the Shields incident didn't even warrant a post on the board from you, never mind calling for self imposed suspension. Is this the worst thing ever to happen on a GAA field to warrant the unprecedented action of suspending your own player?
Did the Dubs offer up the Bite'ers ?
Sorry, yes I meant bite'ers!
Now thats was discrediting the association.
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
Did you actually write that, oh sorry its you Hardy, that explains all. Why use genocide in this conversation to illustrate a point? Why? Your trying to exaggerate the level of the alleged offence to some how compare it with the worst possible crime imaginable. Your a silly sick individual that would do such a thing.
As for your attempt at trying to justify the legality of the ban. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to the legal system that the GAA uses? Is it common or civil?
Assuming its civil your talking shite because then it explicitly states the offence and punishment.
Assuming its common your still talking shite because there has been prior precedence set of not punishing the offence of feigning injury retrospectively.
Your just full of stupid hateful prejudice Hardy, taking a stupid snigger at all this media created mayhem which you fed into. And sorry to break your bubble but Meath in the 80 and 90s were not in the slightest bit manly, they were a filthy, cowardly shower of thugs. If they behaved the way that they did in the street as they did on the pitch they would have been locked up.
And BTW trying to act like you know more than a legal professional makes you look like an idiot.
Meath 96 were the poster boys for thuggery in gaa. Violence used systematically; premeditated and designed to injure was eradicated following this. ..Violence and intimidation would never be allowed to be used by managers as a method of gamesmanship ever again..
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:54:47 AM
Meath 96 were the poster boys for thuggery in gaa. Violence used systematically; premeditated and designed to injure was eradicated following this. ..Violence and intimidation would never be allowed to be used by managers as a method of gamesmanship ever again..
I would much rather watch that meath team than the consistent cynicism of tyrone in the past decade or so. They were a manly team compared to a bunch of divers who consistently sledge the opposition and are constantly in the referees ear.
Quote from: lenny on August 14, 2015, 08:07:29 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:54:47 AM
Meath 96 were the poster boys for thuggery in gaa. Violence used systematically; premeditated and designed to injure was eradicated following this. ..Violence and intimidation would never be allowed to be used by managers as a method of gamesmanship ever again..
I would much rather watch that meath team than the consistent cynicism of tyrone in the past decade or so. They were a manly team compared to a bunch of divers who consistently sledge the opposition and are constantly in the referees ear.
Manly? Are you jokin?
Blind side hits
Standing on guys heads
5 v 1
If that's your definition of manly thats fine, but I seen guys get near lynched for less cowardly things than Meath where at.
Oh and the Daddy of them all, Mick Lyon's turned out to be about as tough as a lump of fresh cut turf in 91 when he limped off after a fair collision with Peter Whitnell.
shows ye wer people's heads are at, this over hyped dung in the media has half wits like this one thinking it is more acceptable to consciously go out to severely injure somebody than the bad error of judgement McCann made in a split second... bravo sir, u just reached an extra special level of stupid
Not much work being done in Tyrone at the moment.
somebody must be doin something to be fit to pay for big joe mac's surgery lol £££
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:48:38 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
My suggestion of a clean slate, everyone warned, no excuses would have the same impact as McCann banned and everyone else will get the same....
The only difference is that McCann gets banned. This makes me believe that it is more about getting McCann banned for you.
It's not. It's about the effectiveness of the action. Somebody needs to get done for it or it doesn't stop. A statement that something would be done in n the future would be nowhere near as effective as the full glare of publicity and that comes with this action.
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 14, 2015, 08:48:33 AM
shows ye wer people's heads are at, this over hyped dung in the media has half wits like this one thinking it is more acceptable to consciously go out to severely injure somebody than the bad error of judgement McCann made in a split second... bravo sir, u just reached an extra special level of stupid
Once again Tyrone people trying to justify McCann saying it was split second thing spur of the moment. The rest of us just don't buy that because Tyrone have been consistently diving ever since St Micky took over. McCann is jus copying players like cavanagh although admittedly this was the worst example I've seen even from Tyrone players. I've yet to see or hear a Tyrone person condemn McCann and all I've seen is him getting sympathy as if he's the victim in this.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 13, 2015, 10:50:44 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
This is my favourite line from this thread so far. And someone accused Tyrone of having a lack of perspective. ;D
It wasn't me that brought criminal law into the debate. It was Joe Brolly. I don't know how to point out my disagreement without reference to the criminal law.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 14, 2015, 03:48:03 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
Did you actually write that, oh sorry its you Hardy, that explains all. Why use genocide in this conversation to illustrate a point? Why? Your trying to exaggerate the level of the alleged offence to some how compare it with the worst possible crime imaginable. Your a silly sick individual that would do such a thing.
As for your attempt at trying to justify the legality of the ban. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to the legal system that the GAA uses? Is it common or civil?
Assuming its civil your talking shite because then it explicitly states the offence and punishment.
Assuming its common your still talking shite because there has been prior precedence set of not punishing the offence of feigning injury retrospectively.
Your just full of stupid hateful prejudice Hardy, taking a stupid snigger at all this media created mayhem which you fed into. And sorry to break your bubble but Meath in the 80 and 90s were not in the slightest bit manly, they were a filthy, cowardly shower of thugs. If they behaved the way that they did in the street as they did on the pitch they would have been locked up.
And BTW trying to act like you know more than a legal professional makes you look like an idiot.
If there's anything more annoying than being abused ungramatically it's being abused illogically.
"Your just full of stupid hateful prejudice Hardy", in the same breath as:
"Your a silly sick individual"
"Meath in the 80 and 90s ... were a filthy, cowardly shower of thugs."
Hateful prejudice begins at home for you, joe.
James Horan on Newstalk is the voice of reason...Colm Parkinson, the voice of a prat. Jeez I wish he'd won an all Ireland with Mayo after listening to that man. He'd restore faith in the GAA if he was seconded to TSG.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/an-honest-post-mortem-will-see-monaghan-bounce-back-again-348142.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/an-honest-post-mortem-will-see-monaghan-bounce-back-again-348142.html) *
Good piece from Dick Clerkin here about dealing with the end of the inter county season and how it ends for different teams. He mightn't be finished just yet.
* - No children or Intercounty players where harmed in the writing of this piece.
Quote from: lenny on August 14, 2015, 09:44:23 AM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on August 14, 2015, 08:48:33 AM
shows ye wer people's heads are at, this over hyped dung in the media has half wits like this one thinking it is more acceptable to consciously go out to severely injure somebody than the bad error of judgement McCann made in a split second... bravo sir, u just reached an extra special level of stupid
Once again Tyrone people trying to justify McCann saying it was split second thing spur of the moment. The rest of us just don't buy that because Tyrone have been consistently diving ever since St Micky took over. McCann is jus copying players like cavanagh although admittedly this was the worst example I've seen even from Tyrone players. I've yet to see or hear a Tyrone person condemn McCann and all I've seen is him getting sympathy as if he's the victim in this.
You obviously aren't following the 4 or 5 threads on this closely enough.
Good article.
Quote from: Hardy on August 14, 2015, 09:45:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 13, 2015, 10:50:44 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
This is my favourite line from this thread so far. And someone accused Tyrone of having a lack of perspective. ;D
It wasn't me that brought criminal law into the debate. It was Joe Brolly. I don't know how to point out my disagreement without reference to the criminal law.
Sorry to hijack and it's nowt to do with you, but I'm finding it amusing that Brolly is the sane reasoned one in this furore (even taking into account his profession). I bet he is very glad that he wasn't on the rota for the Tyrone game / delighted Sky had it, could you imagine what his immediate post-match reaction would have been like?!Fair chance his head would have exploded. Luckily for him he'd a chance to cool off and actually engage his brain before his bake.
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
As a legal professional, I found this hilarious! Someone's been watching Law & Order. What is this offence someone can be charged with under Civil Law??
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 05:57:32 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on August 13, 2015, 01:16:00 PM
As Brolly intimates, he can't be charged with bringing the game into disrepute. He feigned injury in an attempt to gain an advantage, theres a penalty already clearly laid out for that. If they can charge him for something else instead on a whim, then what point is there in having any rules in the first place? It can't be done. Whoever comes up with this sh**e make idiots of themselves at every turn round.
Notwithstanding Joe's legal credentials, I can't see anything in the rule book that says the rules are mutually exclusive. In fact, Rule 7.2(e) (discrediting the association) specifically mentions that it includes one particular infraction that is covered by another rule - racial abuse. This would seem to suggest that it may also be applied to any other infraction already covered by rule, since no infraction is specifically excluded from 7.2(e).
The logic of what Joe is saying is that legally the rule book categorically states that feigning injury carries a specific punishment, i.e. a yellow card. To invoke the discrediting the association rule is unfair and not logical. There is not a cats chance in hell of this sticking, the GAA would need to show that this act of simulation was worse than others and that is simply not true. Sometimes I wonder at the calibre of T*ts we have in high office of the association. The CCCC should be charged with discrediting the GAA.
Quote from: Hardy on August 14, 2015, 09:40:11 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:48:38 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
My suggestion of a clean slate, everyone warned, no excuses would have the same impact as McCann banned and everyone else will get the same....
The only difference is that McCann gets banned. This makes me believe that it is more about getting McCann banned for you.
It's not. It's about the effectiveness of the action. Somebody needs to get done for it or it doesn't stop. A statement that something would be done in n the future would be nowhere near as effective as the full glare of publicity and that comes with this action.
But by dealing with the diving issue in this way they are opening themselves open to accusations of being bias. Which in my opinion is a much worse problem that one individual dive. Why not make a statement that diving will be addressed in the close season and actually follow through on it. That way they deal with the issue and there's no negativity. The way the GAA are doing it now is ham fisted and it's actually distracting from the issue of diving itself.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2015, 11:13:28 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 14, 2015, 09:40:11 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:48:38 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
My suggestion of a clean slate, everyone warned, no excuses would have the same impact as McCann banned and everyone else will get the same....
The only difference is that McCann gets banned. This makes me believe that it is more about getting McCann banned for you.
It's not. It's about the effectiveness of the action. Somebody needs to get done for it or it doesn't stop. A statement that something would be done in n the future would be nowhere near as effective as the full glare of publicity and that comes with this action.
But by dealing with the diving issue in this way they are opening themselves open to accusations of being bias. Which in my opinion is a much worse problem that one individual dive. Why not make a statement that diving will be addressed in the close season and actually follow through on it. That way they deal with the issue and there's no negativity. The way the GAA are doing it now is ham fisted and it's actually distracting from the issue of diving itself.
They are also setting a precedent for every poor decision by a referee to be challenged, or the CCCC's lack of action on future cases to be challenged in court. Messy situation which could have been avoided. The rescinding of the red and a retrospective issuing of a yellow card would have sufficed.
Quote from: redhandefender on August 14, 2015, 11:06:09 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
As a legal professional, I found this hilarious! Someone's been watching Law & Order. What is this offence someone can be charged with under Civil Law??
I wouldn't be watching anything with lawyers as heroes. Slip of the tongue/finger.You know that I meant - the legal system in civil society as opposed to the GAA's disciplinary procedure.
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 14, 2015, 11:13:01 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 13, 2015, 05:57:32 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on August 13, 2015, 01:16:00 PM
As Brolly intimates, he can't be charged with bringing the game into disrepute. He feigned injury in an attempt to gain an advantage, theres a penalty already clearly laid out for that. If they can charge him for something else instead on a whim, then what point is there in having any rules in the first place? It can't be done. Whoever comes up with this sh**e make idiots of themselves at every turn round.
Notwithstanding Joe's legal credentials, I can't see anything in the rule book that says the rules are mutually exclusive. In fact, Rule 7.2(e) (discrediting the association) specifically mentions that it includes one particular infraction that is covered by another rule - racial abuse. This would seem to suggest that it may also be applied to any other infraction already covered by rule, since no infraction is specifically excluded from 7.2(e).
The logic of what Joe is saying is that legally the rule book categorically states that feigning injury carries a specific punishment, i.e. a yellow card. To invoke the discrediting the association rule is unfair and not logical.
The question is whether it's procedurally incorrect. As I've said, I don't think it is, given the wording of Rule 7.2(e), which states that another particular offence, which already has a specific penalty, can be treated under this rule as well/instead. I think that opens the way for any other offence to be similarly treated. But that's only my opinion. I'm not a (bow down) legal professional.
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There is not a cats chance in hell of this sticking, the GAA would need to show that this act of simulation was worse than others and that is simply not true. Sometimes I wonder at the calibre of T*ts we have in high office of the association. The CCCC should be charged with discrediting the GAA.
No argument from me on the calibre of our t**ts as compared to anyone else's. As a personal opinion, this act was worse than any of the others. That's simply because he's from Tyrone (that's just to keep omaghjoe and the lads fuming). No, it was worse in my subjective estimation. The contact was to touch his hair. The dive was spectacularly theatrical. The smirk. But that's neither here nor there. All I'm concerned about is whether we've finally done something effective to put this kind of playacting beyond the pale. Even if this penalty is rescinded, I hope and think we have. Nobody will want to be the next Tiernan McCann as a laughing stock for the public.
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As Brolly intimates, he can't be charged with bringing the game into disrepute. He feigned injury in an attempt to gain an advantage, theres a penalty already clearly laid out for that. If they can charge him for something else instead on a whim, then what point is there in having any rules in the first place? It can't be done. Whoever comes up with this sh**e make idiots of themselves at every turn round.
Notwithstanding Joe's legal credentials, I can't see anything in the rule book that says the rules are mutually exclusive. In fact, Rule 7.2(e) (discrediting the association) specifically mentions that it includes one particular infraction that is covered by another rule - racial abuse. This would seem to suggest that it may also be applied to any other infraction already covered by rule, since no infraction is specifically excluded from 7.2(e).
The logic of what Joe is saying is that legally the rule book categorically states that feigning injury carries a specific punishment, i.e. a yellow card. To invoke the discrediting the association rule is unfair and not logical.
The question is whether it's procedurally incorrect. As I've said, I don't think it is, given the wording of Rule 7.2(e), which states that another particular offence, which already has a specific penalty, can be treated under this rule as well/instead. I think that opens the way for any other offence to be similarly treated. But that's only my opinion. I'm not a (bow down) legal professional.
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There is not a cats chance in hell of this sticking, the GAA would need to show that this act of simulation was worse than others and that is simply not true. Sometimes I wonder at the calibre of T*ts we have in high office of the association. The CCCC should be charged with discrediting the GAA.
No argument from me on the calibre of our t**ts as compared to anyone else's. As a personal opinion, this act was worse than any of the others. That's simply because he's from Tyrone (that's just to keep omaghjoe and the lads fuming). No, it was worse in my subjective estimation. The contact was to touch his hair. The dive was spectacularly theatrical. The smirk. But that's neither here nor there. All I'm concerned about is whether we've finally done something effective to put this kind of playacting beyond the pale. Even if this penalty is rescinded, I hope and think we have. Nobody will want to be the next Tiernan McCann as a laughing stock for the public.
Simulation is simulation I have no love for Tyrone but this application of the rule book is unjust and a reaction to the Sunday Game et al, shame on the CCCC.
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What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
This is my favourite line from this thread so far. And someone accused Tyrone of having a lack of perspective. ;D
It wasn't me that brought criminal law into the debate. It was Joe Brolly. I don't know how to point out my disagreement without reference to the criminal law.
So you decided upon the measured approach of comparing it to Milosevic's murder and genocide? We have officially lost the run of ourselves.
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Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
This is my favourite line from this thread so far. And someone accused Tyrone of having a lack of perspective. ;D
It wasn't me that brought criminal law into the debate. It was Joe Brolly. I don't know how to point out my disagreement without reference to the criminal law.
So you decided upon the measured approach of comparing it to Milosevic's murder and genocide? We have officially lost the run of ourselves.
In fairness the analogy was pointing out that someone could be charged for a lesser crime or a more serious one. I tend to disagree, but I can see the difference between using an analogy to emphasise a point, for example 'one might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb', and losing perspective, 'he said he should be hung!'.
No one seriously thinks that he was comparing McCann's act to Milosevic's.
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Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
This is my favourite line from this thread so far. And someone accused Tyrone of having a lack of perspective. ;D
It wasn't me that brought criminal law into the debate. It was Joe Brolly. I don't know how to point out my disagreement without reference to the criminal law.
So you decided upon the measured approach of comparing it to Milosevic's murder and genocide? We have officially lost the run of ourselves.
That's right. I said McCann's dive is comparable to Milosevic's genocidal crimes. I must have. Otherwise a commentator like you, with a measured approach, who wouldn't lose the run of himself, surely wouldn't say I did?
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Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
This is my favourite line from this thread so far. And someone accused Tyrone of having a lack of perspective. ;D
It wasn't me that brought criminal law into the debate. It was Joe Brolly. I don't know how to point out my disagreement without reference to the criminal law.
So you decided upon the measured approach of comparing it to Milosevic's murder and genocide? We have officially lost the run of ourselves.
In fairness the analogy was pointing out that someone could be charged for a lesser crime or a more serious one. I tend to disagree, but I can see the difference between using an analogy to emphasise a point, for example 'one might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb', and losing perspective, 'he said he should be hung!'.
No one seriously thinks that he was comparing McCann's act to Milosevic's.
I didn't think he was. Just interesting that this was the analogy he used and just reflects the hyperbolic terminology that has surrounded this story this week. A flick through the many threads on here and some of the words used such as sc**bag, Cnut, the language used in TSG, reference to criminal law etc and now genocide, would make an outsider wonder what exactly this McCann fella did!
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Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
This is my favourite line from this thread so far. And someone accused Tyrone of having a lack of perspective. ;D
It wasn't me that brought criminal law into the debate. It was Joe Brolly. I don't know how to point out my disagreement without reference to the criminal law.
So you decided upon the measured approach of comparing it to Milosevic's murder and genocide? We have officially lost the run of ourselves.
In fairness the analogy was pointing out that someone could be charged for a lesser crime or a more serious one. I tend to disagree, but I can see the difference between using an analogy to emphasise a point, for example 'one might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb', and losing perspective, 'he said he should be hung!'.
No one seriously thinks that he was comparing McCann's act to Milosevic's.
I didn't think he was. Just interesting that this was the analogy he used and just reflects the hyperbolic nonsense that has surrounded this story this week. A flick through the threads on here and some of the words used such as sc**bag, Cnut, the language used in TSG, reference to criminal law etc and now genocide, would make an outsider wonder what exactly this McCann fella did!
Anyone who used the words in bold needs their heads examined. It was a young fella who did something daft on the spur of the moment. We all have done that and thankfully there weren't cameras to catch it.
The language in TSG, I am not familiar with. I didn't see it but I can't in Ciarán Whelan or O'Rourke going too overboard on the language, a lá Brolly for example. But maybe they did.
As for the hyperbola, I made my point here. We use analogies to emphasise points all the time. Like I said, when people say 'might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb' the don't mean they think someone should be hung.
As I have said before there is a complete county setup who have clearly no integrity.
look this sanction is clearly going to fail but next year Tyrone have again forced the hand of the Gaa to bring new rules like the black card as they have a total disrespect for the rules.
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http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/an-honest-post-mortem-will-see-monaghan-bounce-back-again-348142.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/an-honest-post-mortem-will-see-monaghan-bounce-back-again-348142.html) *
Good piece from Dick Clerkin here about dealing with the end of the inter county season and how it ends for different teams. He mightn't be finished just yet.
* - No children or Intercounty players where harmed in the writing of this piece.
If Monaghan happen to draw Tyrone in next year's Ulster Championship, do yourself a favour a take a spin to Clones, and bring your popcorn. You'll see what I'm talking about.
Sounds premeditated. 79 week ban.
Good read that...
Quote from: headoftheroad on August 14, 2015, 01:53:47 PM
As I have said before there is a complete county setup who have clearly no integrity.
look this sanction is clearly going to fail but next year Tyrone have again forced the hand of the Gaa to bring new rules like the black card as they have a total disrespect for the rules.
What new rules have Tyrone forced the GAA to bring in? As far as I am aware there is already a rule in place for what happened last weekend.
The BLACK CARD after Cavanagh fantastic tackle in the Aviva!!! oh sorry my mistake wrong stadium pull down in Croke Park.
And the punishment had he been caught do not fit the crime. Therefore when Congress meet next year you can bet the rule will change to more appropriate sanction MATCH BANS for cheating.
Quote from: headoftheroad on August 14, 2015, 03:32:46 PM
The BLACK CARD after Cavanagh fantastic tackle in the Aviva!!! oh sorry my mistake wrong stadium pull down in Croke Park.
And the punishment had he been caught do not fit the crime. Therefore when Congress meet next year you can bet the rule will change to more appropriate sanction MATCH BANS for cheating.
How the frig did Sean Cavanagh's tackle bring about the black card... it was already passed because it was systematic throughout the game everywhere.. learn the facts.
Quote from: headoftheroad on August 14, 2015, 03:32:46 PM
The BLACK CARD after Cavanagh fantastic tackle in the Aviva!!! oh sorry my mistake wrong stadium pull down in Croke Park.
And the punishment had he been caught do not fit the crime. Therefore when Congress meet next year you can bet the rule will change to more appropriate sanction MATCH BANS for cheating.
That's us Tyrone ones for you, ground breakers, making the game better for you all!
Quote from: headoftheroad on August 14, 2015, 03:32:46 PM
The BLACK CARD after Cavanagh fantastic tackle in the Aviva!!! oh sorry my mistake wrong stadium pull down in Croke Park.
And the punishment had he been caught do not fit the crime. Therefore when Congress meet next year you can bet the rule will change to more appropriate sanction MATCH BANS for cheating.
But there is no need for anything to change as there is currently a rule in place to deal with this type of incident.
The GAA seems to be run pretty poorly, with the number of inconsistencies when it comes to punishments as well as people getting charged for offences that maybe they shouldn't have and others getting off with offences they should not have. Also, why can they not once and for all update their rulebook to deal with all permutations that are out there - the majority of incidents that will crop up have happened before? It's a bit of a joke that they brought in the black card rule yet left it so open, you would swear someone came up with it while sitting on the bog and didn't bother to discuss it at all.
Refereeing and umpires are pretty poor in most games, and again in the Tyrone and Monaghan game the referee failed to deal with McCann properly. This whole craic with the Sunday Game highlighting incidents and escalating them to extreme levels has been on the go for a while, but you would expect a bit more from the GAA than for them to bow down to all the furore. Has the referee been sanctioned or dealt with for not carrying out his duties properly? Darren Hughes (and his brother) are always up to something as well, the image of Kieran Hughes sticking his tongue out on Saturday was sickening as he knew exactly what he was at/had done. What exactly was Darren Hughes trying to achieve from rubbing McCanns head? McCann acted like a tube but I would imagine that Hughes was more than likely trying to wind McCann up and get him sent off. Darren Hughes let his side down two years ago and again at the weekend. Will any further action be taken against Paul Finlay for his antics?
Black Card better!!! Joke
If you would play as fluent as the Dubs or the Kingdom we wouldn't need these rules.
Your right however GROUND BREAKERS never bloody off it.
Quote from: headoftheroad on August 14, 2015, 03:55:16 PM
Black Card better!!! Joke
If you would play as fluent as the Dubs or the Kingdom we wouldn't need these rules.
Your right however GROUND BREAKERS never bloody off it.
If you would post in fluent English, it would help everyone on the board.
You Nordies get uptight about your Queen's English
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You Nordies get uptight about your Queen's English
Weren't you from Armagh?
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You Nordies get uptight about your Queen's English
Weren't you from Armagh?
I Think not. A County who ambushed the wee Cavan lads with apples last year.
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Quote from: headoftheroad on August 14, 2015, 01:53:47 PM
As I have said before there is a complete county setup who have clearly no integrity.
look this sanction is clearly going to fail but next year Tyrone have again forced the hand of the Gaa to bring new rules like the black card as they have a total disrespect for the rules.
What new rules have Tyrone forced the GAA to bring in? As far as I am aware there is already a rule in place for what happened last weekend.
I asked the question previously about the yellow card for diving. I have been told that it was introduced following Tyrone's All Ireland victory in 2003. Do not know though.
It wasn't in the 2001 Rule book - http://homepage.eircom.net/~briderovers/micell/GAA%20Rules.pdf
But it was in the 2003 Rule book - http://www.dohenygaa.com/downloads/rules.pdf
I wonder what happened in 2002 that made it go into the rule book :o
Question is - can this make 100 pages ?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 14, 2015, 09:13:02 PM
It wasn't in the 2001 Rule book - http://homepage.eircom.net/~briderovers/micell/GAA%20Rules.pdf
But it was in the 2003 Rule book - http://www.dohenygaa.com/downloads/rules.pdf
I wonder what happened in 2002 that made it go into the rule book :o
It wasn't implemented in 2003 either.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 14, 2015, 09:13:02 PM
It wasn't in the 2001 Rule book - http://homepage.eircom.net/~briderovers/micell/GAA%20Rules.pdf
But it was in the 2003 Rule book - http://www.dohenygaa.com/downloads/rules.pdf
I wonder what happened in 2002 that made it go into the rule book :o
Interestingly the 2003 rule book is dated December 2003. I wonder what persuaded the change? ;D
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Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
This is my favourite line from this thread so far. And someone accused Tyrone of having a lack of perspective. ;D
It wasn't me that brought criminal law into the debate. It was Joe Brolly. I don't know how to point out my disagreement without reference to the criminal law.
So you decided upon the measured approach of comparing it to Milosevic's murder and genocide? We have officially lost the run of ourselves.
In fairness the analogy was pointing out that someone could be charged for a lesser crime or a more serious one. I tend to disagree, but I can see the difference between using an analogy to emphasise a point, for example 'one might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb', and losing perspective, 'he said he should be hung!'.
No one seriously thinks that he was comparing McCann's act to Milosevic's.
Bolix Muppet
He knew rightly what he was at, why did he choose the worst possible crime imaginable? He was trying to exaggerate the severity of this whole thing.
This is also coming from the same guy who doesn't want Tiernan McCann mentioned in the same sentence as Jonah Sherdian but thinks its ok to mention genocide in a discussion about sports. He's a vindictive slabber and whats worse an insult to the 1000s that were killed in Bosnia
Not to mention the fact that the point he was trying to make is confirmation that he doesnt have a clue what he is talking about
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Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
Did you actually write that, oh sorry its you Hardy, that explains all. Why use genocide in this conversation to illustrate a point? Why? Your trying to exaggerate the level of the alleged offence to some how compare it with the worst possible crime imaginable. Your a silly sick individual that would do such a thing.
As for your attempt at trying to justify the legality of the ban. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to the legal system that the GAA uses? Is it common or civil?
Assuming its civil your talking shite because then it explicitly states the offence and punishment.
Assuming its common your still talking shite because there has been prior precedence set of not punishing the offence of feigning injury retrospectively.
Your just full of stupid hateful prejudice Hardy, taking a stupid snigger at all this media created mayhem which you fed into. And sorry to break your bubble but Meath in the 80 and 90s were not in the slightest bit manly, they were a filthy, cowardly shower of thugs. If they behaved the way that they did in the street as they did on the pitch they would have been locked up.
And BTW trying to act like you know more than a legal professional makes you look like an idiot.
If there's anything more annoying than being abused ungramatically it's being abused illogically.
"Your just full of stupid hateful prejudice Hardy", in the same breath as:
"Your a silly sick individual"
"Meath in the 80 and 90s ... were a filthy, cowardly shower of thugs."
Hateful prejudice begins at home for you, joe.
The glaring omission of any attempt to address my points is not unsurprising but I dont know where you got this one from?
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Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
This is my favourite line from this thread so far. And someone accused Tyrone of having a lack of perspective. ;D
It wasn't me that brought criminal law into the debate. It was Joe Brolly. I don't know how to point out my disagreement without reference to the criminal law.
So you decided upon the measured approach of comparing it to Milosevic's murder and genocide? We have officially lost the run of ourselves.
In fairness the analogy was pointing out that someone could be charged for a lesser crime or a more serious one. I tend to disagree, but I can see the difference between using an analogy to emphasise a point, for example 'one might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb', and losing perspective, 'he said he should be hung!'.
No one seriously thinks that he was comparing McCann's act to Milosevic's.
Bolix Muppet
He knew rightly what he was at, why did he choose the worst possible crime imaginable? He was trying to exaggerate the severity of this whole thing.
This is also coming from the same guy who doesn't want Tiernan McCann mentioned in the same sentence as Jonah Sherdian but thinks its ok to mention genocide in a discussion about sports. He's a vindictive slabber and whats worse an insult to the 1000s that were killed in Bosnia
Not to mention the fact that the point he was trying to make is confirmation that he doesnt have a clue what he is talking about
Leave Big Jonah out of this.
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Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
This is my favourite line from this thread so far. And someone accused Tyrone of having a lack of perspective. ;D
It wasn't me that brought criminal law into the debate. It was Joe Brolly. I don't know how to point out my disagreement without reference to the criminal law.
So you decided upon the measured approach of comparing it to Milosevic's murder and genocide? We have officially lost the run of ourselves.
In fairness the analogy was pointing out that someone could be charged for a lesser crime or a more serious one. I tend to disagree, but I can see the difference between using an analogy to emphasise a point, for example 'one might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb', and losing perspective, 'he said he should be hung!'.
No one seriously thinks that he was comparing McCann's act to Milosevic's.
Bolix Muppet
He knew rightly what he was at, why did he choose the worst possible crime imaginable? He was trying to exaggerate the severity of this whole thing.
This is also coming from the same guy who doesn't want Tiernan McCann mentioned in the same sentence as Jonah Sherdian but thinks its ok to mention genocide in a discussion about sports. He's a vindictive slabber and whats worse an insult to the 1000s that were killed in Bosnia
Not to mention the fact that the point he was trying to make is confirmation that he doesnt have a clue what he is talking about
Ok, yes he was comparing a dive in a match with genocide. ::) But shur he might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb. And for clarification, I am not calling for the hanging of anyone, although you take offence at every word and every possible idiotic context, so you probably won't read this bit.
As for Big Joe. His notorious moment was that he tried to score a goal from a sitting position. He might have messed it up but it was obvious what he was trying to do. It is also obvious to us what Tiarnan McCann was trying to do. And yet you are offended by the comparison of the two. I bet Big Joe is far more offended.
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What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
This is my favourite line from this thread so far. And someone accused Tyrone of having a lack of perspective. ;D
It wasn't me that brought criminal law into the debate. It was Joe Brolly. I don't know how to point out my disagreement without reference to the criminal law.
So you decided upon the measured approach of comparing it to Milosevic's murder and genocide? We have officially lost the run of ourselves.
In fairness the analogy was pointing out that someone could be charged for a lesser crime or a more serious one. I tend to disagree, but I can see the difference between using an analogy to emphasise a point, for example 'one might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb', and losing perspective, 'he said he should be hung!'.
No one seriously thinks that he was comparing McCann's act to Milosevic's.
Bolix Muppet
He knew rightly what he was at, why did he choose the worst possible crime imaginable? He was trying to exaggerate the severity of this whole thing.
This is also coming from the same guy who doesn't want Tiernan McCann mentioned in the same sentence as Jonah Sherdian but thinks its ok to mention genocide in a discussion about sports. He's a vindictive slabber and whats worse an insult to the 1000s that were killed in Bosnia
Not to mention the fact that the point he was trying to make is confirmation that he doesnt have a clue what he is talking about
Ok, yes he was comparing a dive in a match with genocide. ::) But shur he might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb. And for clarification, I am not calling for the hanging of anyone, although you take offence at every word and every possible idiotic context, so you probably won't read this bit.
As for Big Joe. His notorious moment was that he tried to score a goal from a sitting position. He might have messed it up but it was obvious what he was trying to do. It is also obvious to us what Tiarnan McCann was trying to do. And yet you are offended by the comparison of the two. I bet Big Joe is far more offended.
I don't really want to return to this and of course he wasn't comparing the two (well at least I hope he wasn't) but your sheep and lamb comparison is bugging me. That's a well known phrase and I understand your point about hanging, but who says in passing conversation "ah sure Milosevic's crimes could be regarded as murder and genocide so diving in football can be either a yellow or disrepute?" It's a mental context to put it into and in my opinion shows a bit of an eejit trying to hyperbole things and the terminology used all week in various media outlets has attempted to do the same.
Tyrone taking mopery to new levels? Barry Mc Elduff MLA complains about RTE bias all because the Sunday Game Twitter account favourited a tweet from Meath's Anthony Moyles criticising Tiernan Mc Cann?
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Tyrone taking mopery to new levels? Barry Mc Elduff MLA complains about RTE bias all because the Sunday Game Twitter account favourited a tweet from Meath's Anthony Moyles criticising Tiernan Mc Cann?
Hardly mopery - we did win the game you know!
So did Unionists in the North of Ireland but that doesn't stop them moping
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What McCann did was specifically covered by a rule. To say that this overall rule can be brought in any time we fancy it makes a mockery of the rule book.
It is entirely bizarre.
See my reply to Benny. The same applies in civil law. People are charged with the most serious offence. The DPP decides what law to prosecute under. Milosevic could have been charged with murder or genocide. McCann can be done for diving or discrediting the association. It's perfectly in order. The fact that it's rare doesn't mean it's wrong. In this case, letting this shite grow into the cancer it has was the error the Association made, not deciding to throw the book at McCann.
I'm off for a pint. I don't think I can add to what I've said, but if rrhf or Omadjoe want to continue the whinging I'll be here in the morning.
This is my favourite line from this thread so far. And someone accused Tyrone of having a lack of perspective. ;D
It wasn't me that brought criminal law into the debate. It was Joe Brolly. I don't know how to point out my disagreement without reference to the criminal law.
So you decided upon the measured approach of comparing it to Milosevic's murder and genocide? We have officially lost the run of ourselves.
In fairness the analogy was pointing out that someone could be charged for a lesser crime or a more serious one. I tend to disagree, but I can see the difference between using an analogy to emphasise a point, for example 'one might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb', and losing perspective, 'he said he should be hung!'.
No one seriously thinks that he was comparing McCann's act to Milosevic's.
Bolix Muppet
He knew rightly what he was at, why did he choose the worst possible crime imaginable? He was trying to exaggerate the severity of this whole thing.
This is also coming from the same guy who doesn't want Tiernan McCann mentioned in the same sentence as Jonah Sherdian but thinks its ok to mention genocide in a discussion about sports. He's a vindictive slabber and whats worse an insult to the 1000s that were killed in Bosnia
Not to mention the fact that the point he was trying to make is confirmation that he doesnt have a clue what he is talking about
Ok, yes he was comparing a dive in a match with genocide. ::) But shur he might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb. And for clarification, I am not calling for the hanging of anyone, although you take offence at every word and every possible idiotic context, so you probably won't read this bit.
As for Big Joe. His notorious moment was that he tried to score a goal from a sitting position. He might have messed it up but it was obvious what he was trying to do. It is also obvious to us what Tiarnan McCann was trying to do. And yet you are offended by the comparison of the two. I bet Big Joe is far more offended.
I don't really want to return to this and of course he wasn't comparing the two (well at least I hope he wasn't) but your sheep and lamb comparison is bugging me. That's a well known phrase and I understand your point about hanging, but who says in passing conversation "ah sure Milosevic's crimes could be regarded as murder and genocide so diving in football can be either a yellow or disrepute?" It's a mental context to put it into and in my opinion shows a bit of an eejit trying to hyperbole things and the terminology used all week in various media outlets has attempted to do the same.
As far as I can see, you are in the main agreeing with me? My point being we are very inclined to use analogies, and often hyperbola, to emphasise our points. The hung for a sheep or a lamb one is very common, but it was once an original. Analogies with Hitler or the Nazis are the most overused probably in history, especially on the internet. Invoking Godwin's Law is of course now a common way to 'claim victory' in an online argument, regardless of the merits of the discussion, simply because someone mentioned Hitler. This of course is absurd.
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Tyrone taking mopery to new levels? Barry Mc Elduff MLA complains about RTE bias all because the Sunday Game Twitter account favourited a tweet from Meath's Anthony Moyles criticising Tiernan Mc Cann?
Wrong, Moyles exhorted Kerry to "knock seven shades out of us" in that tweet! Not like you to distort the truth! :'(
Even the most ardent Tyronian has to recognize what McCann did was out of line but the backlash has been extreme. The onset of social media means that these days condemnation can be anonymous, immediate and brutal. While you'd expect some morons on twitter to know no better, some of the comments from players, ex players, journalists etc has been one eyed hyperbole . Unfortunately for Tyrone, they have annoyed a lot of people in the past and their failings are seized on by more than most.
GAA's machismo considers feigning injury and diving to be a much worse act than actually causing an injury in the first place. Should it be though ? Should someone who stamps on a prostrate opponent or punches someone in the back of the head be less castigated than the person who feigns injury.
All the same diving is still a blight on the game and should be eradicated, however you cannot suddenly, in the middle of the season, ban a player for this when other transgressors have escaped punishment all year. We all know Tyronians aren't slow in playing the persecution card ! but they'd have every right to feel picked on if McCann's proposed ban goes through.
I'd like to see the GAA next season to have a citing commissoner to review every Championship match on a Monday evening who can hand out bans/punishments for those who have committed serious foul play during a game and indeed simulation should come under this bracket. I think the SPL have had a system for a number of years when you can punish players retrospectively if they feel they have dived or feigned injury.
While I can't believe I'm actually writing this I do actually feel a bit sorry for Tyrone. In 2 of their 3 last three matches they have came in for some seriously bad hits from the opposition. The focus on McCann has certainly taken away the spotlight from Monaghan's discipline in the last 10 or mins. They simply lost the head and could easily had a few more sent off, Paul Finlay was a walking red card from the moment he came on, madness for such a talented player.
Mickey Harte has done brilliantly to get his team so far. Everyone knows that they aren't a patch talent wise on their 00's vintage with only really Donnelly, Harte and S Cavanagh as top notch players. They'll probably not have enough at midfield to beat Kerry but they've proved many doubters wrong so far this year. It's a pity their excellence has been overshadowed by the McCann incident.
Good post Jimmy.
http://www.todayfm.com/player/podcasts/The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper/The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper/38940/1/8_week_ban_for_tiernan_mccann_too_harsh (http://www.todayfm.com/player/podcasts/The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper/The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper/38940/1/8_week_ban_for_tiernan_mccann_too_harsh)
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http://www.todayfm.com/player/podcasts/The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper/The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper/38940/1/8_week_ban_for_tiernan_mccann_too_harsh (http://www.todayfm.com/player/podcasts/The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper/The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper/38940/1/8_week_ban_for_tiernan_mccann_too_harsh)
Well spoken wee Pete
Ewan McKenna reckons its rubbish there is a bias against Tyrone but then reckons that the 8 week ban is justified because of the Tyrone's previous record this year? Slight contradiction there Ewan!
His snide sniggering at the start is sickening, but it turns out he didnt even have the balls to stick to his guns when directly confronted by Canavan, as he cant even decide if he's for the ban or not by the end. Typical tabloid journalist, good at hyperbole/hysteria, but when faced with having to make a real decision, pretty useless.
BTW I am sick of this being called a hair ruffle and Darren Hughes being described as an innocent party.
Hughes tried to grab Tiernan's hair and gave it a good old yank as I described previously on another thread. He deserved a straight red and is the most guilty party in all of this.
Who ruffled your feathers. :)
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BTW I am sick of this being called a hair ruffle and Darren Hughes being described as an innocent party.
Hughes tried to grab Tiernan's hair and gave it a good old yank as I described previously on another thread. He deserved a straight red and is the most guilty party in all of this.
Give it up FFS
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http://www.todayfm.com/player/podcasts/The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper/The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper/38940/1/8_week_ban_for_tiernan_mccann_too_harsh (http://www.todayfm.com/player/podcasts/The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper/The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper/38940/1/8_week_ban_for_tiernan_mccann_too_harsh)
Well spoken wee Pete
Ewan McKenna reckons its rubbish there is a bias against Tyrone but then reckons that the 8 week ban is justified because of the Tyrone's previous record this year? Slight contradiction there Ewan!
His snide sniggering at the start is sickening, but it turns out he didnt even have the balls to stick to his guns when directly confronted by Canavan, as he cant even decide if he's for the ban or not by the end. Typical tabloid journalist, good at hyperbole/hysteria, but when faced with having to make a real decision, pretty useless.
He also talked about Tyrone pointing to the fact that other people have feigned injury and got away with it and that Mc Cann shouldn't be suspended in this instance - he uses the analogy of Tyrone having got caught robbing a bank and using the defence that others in the past have robbed banks and got off with it. Absolute rubbish - everyone knows what the punishment is for robbing banks. The gaa official guide has a sanction for feigning injury.
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http://www.todayfm.com/player/podcasts/The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper/The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper/38940/1/8_week_ban_for_tiernan_mccann_too_harsh (http://www.todayfm.com/player/podcasts/The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper/The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper/38940/1/8_week_ban_for_tiernan_mccann_too_harsh)
Well spoken wee Pete
Ewan McKenna reckons its rubbish there is a bias against Tyrone but then reckons that the 8 week ban is justified because of the Tyrone's previous record this year? Slight contradiction there Ewan!
His snide sniggering at the start is sickening, but it turns out he didnt even have the balls to stick to his guns when directly confronted by Canavan, as he cant even decide if he's for the ban or not by the end. Typical tabloid journalist, good at hyperbole/hysteria, but when faced with having to make a real decision, pretty useless.
He also talked about Tyrone pointing to the fact that other people have feigned injury and got away with it and that Mc Cann shouldn't be suspended in this instance - he uses the analogy of Tyrone having got caught robbing a bank and using the defence that others in the past have robbed banks and got off with it. Absolute rubbish - everyone knows what the punishment is for robbing banks. The gaa official guide has a sanction for feigning injury.
Yeah and if you want to take the analogy further. If someone robbed a bank and was know to the police, the PPS, the judge, and the jury as guilty would they be let off with it? And then, once it inevitably happened again, charge the new perpetrators with treason.
Both highlight his analogy as laughable and an attempt at more hyperbole.
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BTW I am sick of this being called a hair ruffle and Darren Hughes being described as an innocent party.
Hughes tried to grab Tiernan's hair and gave it a good old yank as I described previously on another thread. He deserved a straight red and is the most guilty party in all of this.
Give it up FFS
Why because its actually what happened, but been swept under the carpet in this whole frenzy?
Seriously give over.
Yep. Sometimes less is more
If yous look at the incident with a fresh pair of eyes you would see that Hughes went to grab his hair and tried to pull down with considerable force.
Why do you think he marched off without so much as a protest? He knew he deserved it!
Catch yourself on is all I can say.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 15, 2015, 11:47:08 PM
If yous look at the incident with a fresh pair of eyes you would see that Hughes went to grab his hair and tried to pull down with considerable force.
Why do you think he marched off without so much as a protest? He knew he deserved it!
lol. Youre the only person who has seen it like that.
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Catch yourself on is all I can say.
I've explained myself. So instead of behaving like I am being unreasonable perhaps you could explain why you believe I am?
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Quote from: omaghjoe on August 15, 2015, 11:47:08 PM
If yous look at the incident with a fresh pair of eyes you would see that Hughes went to grab his hair and tried to pull down with considerable force.
Why do you think he marched off without so much as a protest? He knew he deserved it!
lol. Youre the only person who has seen it like that.
Tell you what have a look at the video with a fresh pair of eyes and explain to me why Hughes clenches his fist as it reaches Tiernan's hair? And why his arm bounces uncontrollably off his shoulder? If you comes up with a rational explanation to that then I am all ears.
I say that in all honestly BTW
Prometheuse...
Jeez Omaghjoe go have a few pints for yourself.We all know that McCann dived and there should not be a suspension and it will be overturned.Enjoy your teams run and you should be looking forward to next sundays clash with Kerry and not poring over the video from last Saturday to prove some worthless point to yourself.
Think Joe is on a wind up.
Quote from: maigheo on August 16, 2015, 01:53:43 AM
Jeez Omaghjoe go have a few pints for yourself.We all know that McCann dived and there should not be a suspension and it will be overturned.Enjoy your teams run and you should be looking forward to next sundays clash with Kerry and not poring over the video from last Saturday to prove some worthless point to yourself.
Im not talking about what Tiernan did, Im talking about what Hughes did.
I usually enjoy reading & posting on the board but since the U21 final I find myself, often, contemplating hanging up the fingers(boots).
Yes I like a good shit stir like many others on here anf can take my oil as well as give it out in spades.
Unlike a lot of others on here, I, SOMETIMES, bite the bullet and admit when my team is out of line and have done wrong.
In 2003 after we won our first AI, in Mickey Harte's first year in charge, as you can imagine there was an outpouring of emotion and relief that we had finally done it and to have beaten our neighbours and reigning champions made it even more significant.
However, that Monday I listened to Des Cahill praise us and our hard working and pack style defending like v Kerry but to go on and focus on our diving.
It was my first time to feel regret & annoyance that others were picking holes in our great victory. Was it jealousy, envy, good/bad/biased analysis.
Did he and others think that Armaghs emphasis on being a more physical and often over stepping the rules on tackling is fair enough to gain an unfair advantage but to fall/go down easily/dive to highlight the foul and unfair advantage is NOT fair enough.
Of course its a thorny topic to discuss & the general consensus seems to be I'd rather a fella give me a good thump on the mouth and I respect him as a man than the Sean Cavanagh type that Brolly portrays AGAIN this week in the Garlic Life.
Fair enough that's the GAA world that we live in and for the record I hate blatant diving like what McCann did.
However I strongly agree with the best post Ive read on this by Jimmyjimson 2 pages back.
I'm not sure where he's from but it's very balanced and unlike so many other biased jealous lads on here can see Tyrone have worked hard to get to the last 4 and Harte has them playing great fast counter attacking, entertaining football and unlike Donegal's system a few years back are putting up high scores.
I was so proud if them last Sat but come Monday and the shite I read on here, in SOME papers and then on RTE I came into work on Monday dreading the onslaught. I shouldn't be feeling like that when my county has made it to the semifinal.
As OmaghJoe is trying to point out is that everyone is focusing on Tyrone's reaction to Monaghan's dirty play. Over Reaction to Monaghan hitting digs, punches to the back of the head. Brolly says Cavanagh dive to "minimal contact".
Let's see Joe. If Tyrone had of done the same minimal contact to McManus you probably would have written Typical cynical Tyrone with sly dig to the ribs to start a row so to slow the game down.
So rather look at the instigator of all those incidents like Hughes knowing the game was lost, so seeing big Colm making yet another great catch in his defence and running out with it, he decides f**k it your coming down bug lad. Should have been black card. Naturally Tyrone players react so not content to walk away he then gets involved again and RAISES his hands towards McCanns head.
Ask D. Marsden the question. If someone comes at you with hands up what goes through your head.
Hindsight is great but McCann had seconds to think and he probably thought here's a punch coming to my head as Hughes lifts his hands but Mc Cannot would never have expected an attack/pull/rufflre if his hair.
Even so his reaction was VERY wrong and disappointing that that is HIS mentality.
I'd say he regrets it now and no doubt, should he play, Kerry will be testing his mental strength now as well as his physical strength.
I for one am happy Tyrone have stopped being the whipping boys in the 80s & 90s where we had some great footballing teams but we would come down to Croker with an inferiority complex and let teams like Meath LITERALLY walk all over us and then laugh at the scars they left behind.
We now can play ball but also can stand up for ourselves and not be bullied. We sometimes might come across arrogant like our attitude next Sunday but unlike Mayo and most others we won't show fear or too much respect for Kerry.
Saying all that, I do wish now that whilst you do have to bend some rules to close out tight games, that we would stop the more OTT diving. I will go on record to say we do it too much and whilst sometimes it is used to highlight to refs you need to blow a free here, it is giving us a bad name and we need to ease off on it.
I know it's highly unlikely but IF Tyrone should do the unthinkable and beat Kerry fair and square I hope we don't get another slating for playing 67 mins of good football and then 5 mins of closing the game out.
I think I'll retire now and hang up my tired fingers.
Agree 100% Fuzz, too many WUMs - 75 pages of this. The Anti-Tyrone agenda is tedious. Time to leave them to it.
Fuzzman that's some crock of shite
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We sometimes might come across arrogant like our attitude next Sunday but unlike Mayo and most others we won't show fear or too much respect for Kerry.
Piss off! Your crowd got a good hiding the last time you met Kerry!
As for the rest, Take off the blinkers!
Even big David Jeffrey,ex Linfield manager,having a go at Mc Cann in Sunday Life today! ;D He praises GAA for imposing the ban and says soccer authorities should follow suit.
Oisin Mc Conville says the way Tyrone play "disgusts me!"
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Even big David Jeffrey,ex Linfield manager,having a go at Mc Cann in Sunday Life today! ;D He praises GAA for imposing the ban and says soccer authorities should follow suit.
Oisin Mc Conville says the way Tyrone play "disgusts me!"
O'Rourke poses harte a few interesting questions in the indo today. Very fair and balanced article.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 16, 2015, 02:55:21 PM
Even big David Jeffrey,ex Linfield manager,having a go at Mc Cann in Sunday Life today! ;D He praises GAA for imposing the ban and says soccer authorities should follow suit.
Oisin Mc Conville says the way Tyrone play "disgusts me!"
I think the whole country has been waiting anxiously to hear what he had to say about it.
Actually big Davie was quite astute.Mentionec that GAA sports now covered on Sky and GAA wants to protect its brand etc.Said he wouldn't have tolerate Mc Cann's actions as a manager.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 16, 2015, 02:55:21 PM
Even big David Jeffrey,ex Linfield manager,having a go at Mc Cann in Sunday Life today! ;D He praises GAA for imposing the ban and says soccer authorities should follow suit.
Oisin Mc Conville says the way Tyrone play "disgusts me!"
Oisin wouldn't still be a bit miffed after 2003 (and 2005 and 2008)would he? ;D
He says he isn't and admired what Tyrone achieved in the noughties and wishes Armagh had achieved as much,but he cannot stand the dark arts,and specifically referred to Tyrone's tactical ploy of zonal fouling
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Quote from: T Fearon on August 16, 2015, 02:55:21 PM
Even big David Jeffrey,ex Linfield manager,having a go at Mc Cann in Sunday Life today! ;D He praises GAA for imposing the ban and says soccer authorities should follow suit.
Oisin Mc Conville says the way Tyrone play "disgusts me!"
O'Rourke poses harte a few interesting questions in the indo today. Very fair and balanced article.
No fan of Tyrone Lenny, but 'fair and balanced' it is anything but! ::) Simply a continued justification of his stance on TSG and in the midst of it, a flippant shrug/snigger at his own playing past.
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Quote from: T Fearon on August 16, 2015, 02:55:21 PM
Even big David Jeffrey,ex Linfield manager,having a go at Mc Cann in Sunday Life today! ;D He praises GAA for imposing the ban and says soccer authorities should follow suit.
Oisin Mc Conville says the way Tyrone play "disgusts me!"
Oisin wouldn't still be a bit miffed after 2003 (and 2005 and 2008)would he? ;D
That might be about right, from bandwagon jumping green eyed monster.
::)
Does he think that we dont know he doesn't respect what Tyrone achieved? We all fed into the publicity he gave his book and read it.
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Quote from: T Fearon on August 16, 2015, 02:55:21 PM
Even big David Jeffrey,ex Linfield manager,having a go at Mc Cann in Sunday Life today! ;D He praises GAA for imposing the ban and says soccer authorities should follow suit.
Oisin Mc Conville says the way Tyrone play "disgusts me!"
O'Rourke poses harte a few interesting questions in the indo today. Very fair and balanced article.
There is some decent stuff in that article but the idea that the media coverage of Tyrone is fair is simply wrong. I watched back over the entire Monaghan match the other night and right from the start Dara O' Se in particular is pushing an agenda on Tyrone. The first three fouls against Tyrone - which were all clear fouls - are described as the correct decisions, but each time Dara talks about Tyrone's ability to win and draw fouls. This continues throughout the match. The same standards did not apply to Monaghan or indeed to any other team I have seen on TV. This agenda, the packaging of Tyrone as a cynical, dirty, sneaky team, is now quite widespread and without contributes to a lot of the nonsense on this forum. It's only part of what Tyrone are. If pundits want to bring it up, which they are entitled to do, they should do so in a balanced fashion and also apply the same standards to everybody else. This simply does not happen. It's been going on for years.
There's two sides to it of course, and watching back over the game was not always a comfortable experience. Sean Cavanagh took a lot of tough treatment in that match but some of his theatrics, particularly in the closing stages, were ridiculous. There was one instance where a Monaghan man advanced, I think to a hit a free, and bumped into Sean who fell as if he had been shot. Colm too took a ludicrous fall to the ground after minimal contact just after making a magnificent catch. And young McCann had a couple of dives before his infamous fall at the end. I agree with those who say Tyrone must stamp this out, they only leave themselves open to the hysterical accusations on this forum by continuing with it. They didn't need to resort to such nonsense in the closing stages of the game either, Monaghan had run out of ideas and Tyrone should have kicked on and finished them off. By trying to kill the game in that fashion they actually almost let Monaghan back into it. Suggest a lack of belief in their ability to close a game out. Similar tactics would backfire against a better team.
So, lambast Tyrone all you want, some of it is justified, but don't close your eyes to the shite going on elsewhere too.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 16, 2015, 08:01:32 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 16, 2015, 03:17:27 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on August 16, 2015, 02:55:21 PM
Even big David Jeffrey,ex Linfield manager,having a go at Mc Cann in Sunday Life today! ;D He praises GAA for imposing the ban and says soccer authorities should follow suit.
Oisin Mc Conville says the way Tyrone play "disgusts me!"
O'Rourke poses harte a few interesting questions in the indo today. Very fair and balanced article.
There is some decent stuff in that article but the idea that the media coverage of Tyrone is fair is simply wrong. I watched back over the entire Monaghan match the other night and right from the start Dara O' Se in particular is pushing an agenda on Tyrone. The first three fouls against Tyrone - which were all clear fouls - are described as the correct decisions, but each time Dara talks about Tyrone's ability to win and draw fouls. This continues throughout the match. The same standards did not apply to Monaghan or indeed to any other team I have seen on TV. This agenda, the packaging of Tyrone as a cynical, dirty, sneaky team, is now quite widespread and without contributes to a lot of the nonsense on this forum. It's only part of what Tyrone are. If pundits want to bring it up, which they are entitled to do, they should do so in a balanced fashion and also apply the same standards to everybody else. This simply does not happen. It's been going on for years.
There's two sides to it of course, and watching back over the game was not always a comfortable experience. Sean Cavanagh took a lot of tough treatment in that match but some of his theatrics, particularly in the closing stages, were ridiculous. There was one instance where a Monaghan man advanced, I think to a hit a free, and bumped into Sean who fell as if he had been shot. Colm too took a ludicrous fall to the ground after minimal contact just after making a magnificent catch. And young McCann had a couple of dives before his infamous fall at the end. I agree with those who say Tyrone must stamp this out, they only leave themselves open to the hysterical accusations on this forum by continuing with it. They didn't need to resort to such nonsense in the closing stages of the game either, Monaghan had run out of ideas and Tyrone should have kicked on and finished them off. By trying to kill the game in that fashion they actually almost let Monaghan back into it. Suggest a lack of belief in their ability to close a game out. Similar tactics would backfire against a better team.
So, lambast Tyrone all you want, some of it is justified, but don't close your eyes to the shite going on elsewhere too.
Dara O'Sé was on Sky remember.
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2015, 09:22:22 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 16, 2015, 08:01:32 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 16, 2015, 03:17:27 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on August 16, 2015, 02:55:21 PM
Even big David Jeffrey,ex Linfield manager,having a go at Mc Cann in Sunday Life today! ;D He praises GAA for imposing the ban and says soccer authorities should follow suit.
Oisin Mc Conville says the way Tyrone play "disgusts me!"
O'Rourke poses harte a few interesting questions in the indo today. Very fair and balanced article.
There is some decent stuff in that article but the idea that the media coverage of Tyrone is fair is simply wrong. I watched back over the entire Monaghan match the other night and right from the start Dara O' Se in particular is pushing an agenda on Tyrone. The first three fouls against Tyrone - which were all clear fouls - are described as the correct decisions, but each time Dara talks about Tyrone's ability to win and draw fouls. This continues throughout the match. The same standards did not apply to Monaghan or indeed to any other team I have seen on TV. This agenda, the packaging of Tyrone as a cynical, dirty, sneaky team, is now quite widespread and without contributes to a lot of the nonsense on this forum. It's only part of what Tyrone are. If pundits want to bring it up, which they are entitled to do, they should do so in a balanced fashion and also apply the same standards to everybody else. This simply does not happen. It's been going on for years.
There's two sides to it of course, and watching back over the game was not always a comfortable experience. Sean Cavanagh took a lot of tough treatment in that match but some of his theatrics, particularly in the closing stages, were ridiculous. There was one instance where a Monaghan man advanced, I think to a hit a free, and bumped into Sean who fell as if he had been shot. Colm too took a ludicrous fall to the ground after minimal contact just after making a magnificent catch. And young McCann had a couple of dives before his infamous fall at the end. I agree with those who say Tyrone must stamp this out, they only leave themselves open to the hysterical accusations on this forum by continuing with it. They didn't need to resort to such nonsense in the closing stages of the game either, Monaghan had run out of ideas and Tyrone should have kicked on and finished them off. By trying to kill the game in that fashion they actually almost let Monaghan back into it. Suggest a lack of belief in their ability to close a game out. Similar tactics would backfire against a better team.
So, lambast Tyrone all you want, some of it is justified, but don't close your eyes to the shite going on elsewhere too.
Dara O'Sé was on Sky remember.
And great entertainment he was too ;D
When is McCanns appeal? How long have Finlay and Hughes been banned for?
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 17, 2015, 04:16:37 PM
When is McCanns appeal? How long have Finlay and Hughes been banned for?
Have Monaghan appealed Hughes red card?