GAA president Aogán Ó Fearghail has taken RTE's 'The Sunday Game' to task over their 'nasty' and 'abusive' analysis in recent weeks.
The Association's top official has hit out at Pat Spillane's comparison of the Donegal defence to the Taliban and Shane Curran's dismissive comments on London's participation in the Connacht SFC.
"I think when you're disrespectful to individuals, you go over the edge," he pointed out to The Irish Independent.
"I'm not saying RTÉ, I think anywhere that it happens. I dealt with it all my life as a teacher in the school playground. It's nasty. It's wrong.
"I have to say one aspect of that evening annoyed me because London were attacked in a disgraceful way as having no right to even be in it and nobody said anything.
"Fair enough, if you want to criticise but to be nasty and to be abusive and to use language to associate certain counties with the Taliban. That's not disrespectful, that's actually dangerous.
"The most dangerous force in the world today are the Taliban. To be associating anyone in GAA with that type of mentality, that's a type of mentality that builds and it becomes easy to say anything after that. I think that is dangerous and I don't accept it."
On the analysis of his native county Cavan's Ulster SFC defeat to Monaghan, Ó Fearghail added: "We saw loads of hexagons and triangles and honours maths-type diagrams but all it proved to me was that the man did honours maths. I saw very little real analysis.
"Nobody was saying anything good and then they were all very upset because another individual had been called ugly but what about Cavan football which has made huge advances?"
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More of that please.
Is his role not to lead the Association not jump on the bandwagon?... nothing to see here... been said by everyone for last few weeks...
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 04, 2015, 03:03:32 PM
GAA president Aogán Ó Fearghail has taken RTE's 'The Sunday Game' to task over their 'nasty' and 'abusive' analysis in recent weeks.
The Association's top official has hit out at Pat Spillane's comparison of the Donegal defence to the Taliban and Shane Curran's dismissive comments on London's participation in the Connacht SFC.
"I think when you're disrespectful to individuals, you go over the edge," he pointed out to The Irish Independent.
"I'm not saying RTÉ, I think anywhere that it happens. I dealt with it all my life as a teacher in the school playground. It's nasty. It's wrong.
"I have to say one aspect of that evening annoyed me because London were attacked in a disgraceful way as having no right to even be in it and nobody said anything.
"Fair enough, if you want to criticise but to be nasty and to be abusive and to use language to associate certain counties with the Taliban. That's not disrespectful, that's actually dangerous.
"The most dangerous force in the world today are the Taliban. To be associating anyone in GAA with that type of mentality, that's a type of mentality that builds and it becomes easy to say anything after that. I think that is dangerous and I don't accept it."
On the analysis of his native county Cavan's Ulster SFC defeat to Monaghan, Ó Fearghail added: "We saw loads of hexagons and triangles and honours maths-type diagrams but all it proved to me was that the man did honours maths. I saw very little real analysis.
"Nobody was saying anything good and then they were all very upset because another individual had been called ugly but what about Cavan football which has made huge advances?"
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More of that please.
The only one allowed to criticise is the President.
"An tUachtaráin, Aogán Ó Fearghail"
The genitive police will be along shortly ;)
The new pres is starting things off in the same manner the last one did. Disappointing that the man at the top is so easily made look like a bold child.
Whatever about the methods used both had valid points. Fighting a semantic battle is completely worthless, particularly for the GAA president.
He sounds like he's auditioning for a role on the Sunday Game himself.
My Irish isn't what it once was.
He is trying to protect the players and games from a constantly negative RTE and the personal attacks on players and other GAA figures
I think what he says is spot on. But so what?
Quote from: Syferus on June 04, 2015, 04:20:09 PM
The new pres is starting things off in the same manner the last one did. Disappointing that the man at the top is so easily made look like a bold child.
Whatever about the methods used both had valid points. Fighting a semantic battle is completely worthless, particularly for the GAA president.
He sounds like he's auditioning for a role on the Sunday Game himself.
The new "pres" wasn't delivered to the Association last week in a basket, this guy has his head screwed on and hopefully he won't tolerate the shite we've been hearing out of RTE this last 20+ years. How he makes himself look like a bold child i'll never know?
It might come as a suprise to you but a role on the Sunday Game is not the be all and end all, at the end of the day its a few couch potatoes sitting around pontificating in their spare time, I get the impression Aogán Ó Fearghail has better more worthwhile things to be doing with his time, but he is well within his right to call these flat track bullies out any time he feels like it, he is President of the Association after all.
Read Brolly in the Gaelic Life today. Basically saying how great it is that RTÉ give them free rein to say whatever the fcuk they want.
Quote from: tiempo on June 04, 2015, 07:00:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 04, 2015, 04:20:09 PM
The new pres is starting things off in the same manner the last one did. Disappointing that the man at the top is so easily made look like a bold child.
Whatever about the methods used both had valid points. Fighting a semantic battle is completely worthless, particularly for the GAA president.
He sounds like he's auditioning for a role on the Sunday Game himself.
The new "pres" wasn't delivered to the Association last week in a basket, this guy has his head screwed on and hopefully he won't tolerate the shite we've been hearing out of RTE this last 20+ years. How he makes himself look like a bold child i'll never know?
It might come as a suprise to you but a role on the Sunday Game is not the be all and end all, at the end of the day its a few couch potatoes sitting around pontificating in their spare time, I get the impression Aogán Ó Fearghail has better more worthwhile things to be doing with his time, but he is well within his right to call these flat track bullies out any time he feels like it, he is President of the Association after all.
The 'pres' sounds as petty as a child that was smacked on the arse up above. That's not how you want the president of the GAA to come across.
He's starting things off in the same manner O'Neill did, getting himself invovled in pointless scraps with journalists and pundits. Absolutely nothing to be gained from that.
But when people are silly enough to praise him for it is it any surprise?
I can see why he'd make the effort to defend London, but he might have been best to leave it there.
That said, he spoke very well earlier in the week on TG's coverage of the Comórtas Peile.
Not sure how he thought those triangles looked like honours maths ;D
If the general gist was rte's negative angle on things, he's correct but he might be better putting it across in private. In all likelihood he knows this so perhaps this is just to be seen to be defending the organisation
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 05, 2015, 01:55:26 AM
Not sure how he thought those triangles looked like honours maths ;D
If the general gist was rte's negative angle on things, he's correct but he might be better putting it across in private. In all likelihood he knows this so perhaps this is just to be seen to be defending the organisation
Ahh those triangles..... feck that was the funniest bit of TV I've seen in a while (yeah I dont watch it much) ...Was he actually serious or doin it for the craic to make an arse outta the thing?
He's a very polished individual, he's absolutely spot on on this, and I'm happy to see him giving the association a robust defence instead of letting those gobshites the RTE studio bad-mouth the game week in week out. If they hate the game so much then we should take that into account the next time the broadcasting rights come up for negotiation and give TV3 or TG4 a shot at it. They might actually be professional in their coverage and might have something positive to say for a change.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 05, 2015, 04:32:18 AM
He's a very polished individual, he's absolutely spot on on this, and I'm happy to see him giving the association a robust defence instead of letting those gobshites the RTE studio bad-mouth the game week in week out. If they hate the game so much then we should take that into account the next time the broadcasting rights come up for negotiation and give TV3 or TG4 a shot at it. They might actually be professional in their coverage and might have something positive to say for a change.
Indeed. Except that wasn't what he complained about. That was my immediate reaction - time someone called out those gobshites, but not for saying unkind things about individuals. Take them on for their relentless rubbishing of the game and pathetic production standards.
Quote from: Hardy on June 05, 2015, 10:41:16 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 05, 2015, 04:32:18 AM
He's a very polished individual, he's absolutely spot on on this, and I'm happy to see him giving the association a robust defence instead of letting those gobshites the RTE studio bad-mouth the game week in week out. If they hate the game so much then we should take that into account the next time the broadcasting rights come up for negotiation and give TV3 or TG4 a shot at it. They might actually be professional in their coverage and might have something positive to say for a change.
Indeed. Except that wasn't what he complained about. That was my immediate reaction - time someone called out those gobshites, but not for saying unkind things about individuals. Take them on for their relentless rubbishing of the game and pathetic production standards.
This is going on for more than a decade yet the GAA still award them the contract to show the matches. Money talks. The GAA top brass can't have it all their own way. Take less money and give everything to TG4 if you really give a shit.
Quote from: tiempo on June 04, 2015, 07:00:04 PM
The new "pres" wasn't delivered to the Association last week in a basket, this guy has his head screwed on and hopefully he won't tolerate the shite we've been hearing out of RTE this last 20+ years.How he makes himself look like a bold child i'll never know?
It might come as a suprise to you but a role on the Sunday Game is not the be all and end all, at the end of the day its a few couch potatoes sitting around pontificating in their spare time, I get the impression Aogán Ó Fearghail has better more worthwhile things to be doing with his time, but he is well within his right to call these flat track bullies out any time he feels like it, he is President of the Association after all.
Not tolerate how exactly? He has no control over what RTE's GAA pundits say, any more than you or I do, or the IRFU & the FAI have control over what comes out of Eamon Dunphys or George Hooks mouths. RTE are in the business of making money & getting people to watch their programs. If having controversial pundits on, gets more people tuning in to see what they'll say next, then there is nothing to stop them from keeping on doing that, if it works for them. It clearly has up to now, if the Sunday Game ratings are anything to go by.
The president of the GAA is perfectly entitled to express the opinion that comparing GAA teams to the Taliban is crass & offensive. He is right. It is. But that is all it is, an opinion. He has eff all power to dictate to RTE what they can or can't say. They could of course sell the broadcasting rights to someone else, but as RTE are the only ones with pockets deep enough to give the GAA the coverage it gets, that ain't gonna be happening any time soon.
If I were him, I'd be far more worried about the likes of Carney and Canning still doing games for RTE and the piss poor state of the commentary when they are at the microphone. That is the kind of thing that drives people away from the game and over to watch it on the BBC instead. That is far more damaging to the GAA "product" that is on offer to advertizers & the viewing public, than Joe Brolly or Pat Spillane acting the maggot for a few minutes imo.
Quote from: Beffs on June 05, 2015, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: tiempo on June 04, 2015, 07:00:04 PM
The new "pres" wasn't delivered to the Association last week in a basket, this guy has his head screwed on and hopefully he won't tolerate the shite we've been hearing out of RTE this last 20+ years.How he makes himself look like a bold child i'll never know?
It might come as a suprise to you but a role on the Sunday Game is not the be all and end all, at the end of the day its a few couch potatoes sitting around pontificating in their spare time, I get the impression Aogán Ó Fearghail has better more worthwhile things to be doing with his time, but he is well within his right to call these flat track bullies out any time he feels like it, he is President of the Association after all.
Not tolerate how exactly? He has no control over what RTE's GAA pundits say, any more than you or I do, or the IRFU & the FAI have control over what comes out of Eamon Dunphys or George Hooks mouths. RTE are in the business of making money & getting people to watch their programs. If having controversial pundits on, gets more people tuning in to see what they'll say next, then there is nothing to stop them from keeping on doing that, if it works for them. It clearly has up to now, if the Sunday Game ratings are anything to go by.
The president of the GAA is perfectly entitled to express the opinion that comparing GAA teams to the Taliban is crass & offensive. He is right. It is. But that is all it is, an opinion. He has eff all power to dictate to RTE what they can or can't say. They could of course sell the broadcasting rights to someone else, but as RTE are the only ones with pockets deep enough to give the GAA the coverage it gets, that ain't gonna be happening any time soon.
If I were him, I'd be far more worried about the likes of Carney and Canning still doing games for RTE and the piss poor state of the commentary when they are at the microphone. That is the kind of thing that drives people away from the game and over to watch it on the BBC instead. That is far more damaging to the GAA "product" that is on offer to advertizers & the viewing public, than Joe Brolly or Pat Spillane acting the maggot for a few minutes imo.
At the awarding of the next rights contract, assuming RTE get a package of sorts, lock in a service level agreement with regards to personal attacks on other members of the Association. For example, when someone's looks or manliness are brought into question then the pundit in question should be disciplined. It would be unacceptable to bring Donal Og's sexuality into the equation, why would other personal attacks be passable. Also if a pundit says live "I've had enough of this, I want nothing more to do with this..." then ensure that they are held to their statement and promptly replaced with someone willing to discuss the merits of the game at hand.
All of us as GAA members have responsibility in the promotion of Gaelic Games, it is a key part of the main Aim of the association. Aogán as our figure head should be leading the way in this. The media don't care about this at all, they will sensationalize and ridicule the GAA if attracts them viewers/readers/listeners. Fair play to Aogán in highlighting this negativity and disrespect from RTE.
Quote from: tiempo on June 04, 2015, 07:00:04 PM
At the awarding of the next rights contract, assuming RTE get a package of sorts, lock in a service level agreement with regards to personal attacks on other members of the Association. For example, when someone's looks or manliness are brought into question then the pundit in question should be disciplined. It would be unacceptable to bring Donal Og's sexuality into the equation, why would other personal attacks be passable. Also if a pundit says live "I've had enough of this, I want nothing more to do with this..." then ensure that they are held to their statement and promptly replaced with someone willing to discuss the merits of the game at hand.
I'm sorry, but that is very naive. No broadcaster on the planet is going to sign up for a deal that restricts what they can or can not say. RTE would never agree to the shackles being put on their pundits like that. And the GAA can't force them too. RTE has them by the balls. No one else can afford to give the GAA the coverage that RTE do. Setanta, TV3, TV4, BBC and Sky can't or won't do it.
Quote from: Beffs on June 05, 2015, 03:23:40 PM
Quote from: tiempo on June 05, 2015, 02:23:37 PM
Quote from: Beffs on June 05, 2015, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: tiempo on June 04, 2015, 07:00:04 PM
The new "pres" wasn't delivered to the Association last week in a basket, this guy has his head screwed on and hopefully he won't tolerate the shite we've been hearing out of RTE this last 20+ years.How he makes himself look like a bold child i'll never know?
It might come as a suprise to you but a role on the Sunday Game is not the be all and end all, at the end of the day its a few couch potatoes sitting around pontificating in their spare time, I get the impression Aogán Ó Fearghail has better more worthwhile things to be doing with his time, but he is well within his right to call these flat track bullies out any time he feels like it, he is President of the Association after all.
Not tolerate how exactly? He has no control over what RTE's GAA pundits say, any more than you or I do, or the IRFU & the FAI have control over what comes out of Eamon Dunphys or George Hooks mouths. RTE are in the business of making money & getting people to watch their programs. If having controversial pundits on, gets more people tuning in to see what they'll say next, then there is nothing to stop them from keeping on doing that, if it works for them. It clearly has up to now, if the Sunday Game ratings are anything to go by.
The president of the GAA is perfectly entitled to express the opinion that comparing GAA teams to the Taliban is crass & offensive. He is right. It is. But that is all it is, an opinion. He has eff all power to dictate to RTE what they can or can't say. They could of course sell the broadcasting rights to someone else, but as RTE are the only ones with pockets deep enough to give the GAA the coverage it gets, that ain't gonna be happening any time soon.
If I were him, I'd be far more worried about the likes of Carney and Canning still doing games for RTE and the piss poor state of the commentary when they are at the microphone. That is the kind of thing that drives people away from the game and over to watch it on the BBC instead. That is far more damaging to the GAA "product" that is on offer to advertizers & the viewing public, than Joe Brolly or Pat Spillane acting the maggot for a few minutes imo.
At the awarding of the next rights contract, assuming RTE get a package of sorts, lock in a service level agreement with regards to personal attacks on other members of the Association. For example, when someone's looks or manliness are brought into question then the pundit in question should be disciplined. It would be unacceptable to bring Donal Og's sexuality into the equation, why would other personal attacks be passable. Also if a pundit says live "I've had enough of this, I want nothing more to do with this..." then ensure that they are held to their statement and promptly replaced with someone willing to discuss the merits of the game at hand.
No broadcaster on the planet is going to sign up for a deal that restricts what they can or can not say. RTE would never agree to the shackles being put on their pundits like that. And the GAA can't force them too. RTE has them by the balls. No one else can afford to give the GAA the coverage that RTE do. Setanta, TV3 and TV4 certainly can't do it.
Service level agreement i.e. set of standards to adhere to. It's common place in marketing which is the relationship the GAA has with RTE. The GAA has every right to protect its product and the image of the product from attack by an organisation that it provides rights to. RTE by way of focusing on column inches and outlandish comment are gearing their coverage towards advertisers and viewing figures, this is not necessarily in the best interests of the Association.
The Association has to find a balance between advertising and exposure, and protecting its members from attack from a service provider. As said previously I'm sure TG4/TV3 could put together a live summer programme without lowering the tone of the broadcast so as to take away from the sporting event it is covering, and all without a set of standards, therefore RTE should be told to smarten up and get in line with respect to personal attacks or move aside as the rights are given to another state broadcaster, realising also that that broadcaster will take with it the lucritive advertising revenue I'm pretty sure RTE would be bending over backwards to comply.
The obsession this board - and seemingly the GAA presidents too - have with RTE pundits is not healthy or beneficial.
Quote from: Syferus on June 05, 2015, 03:38:33 PM
The obsession this board - and seemingly the GAA presidents too - have with RTE pundits is not healthy or beneficial.
Everything in moderation they said, too much of a good thing they said... it's the unhealthy gushing levels of positivity coming from the RTE pundits that's the obsession here isn't it, they are far too optimistic in their outlook, a glass half full they said.
Tiempo, TV3/Setanta can't afford to cover the AI champo the way that RTE do. If they could, they would be doing it already. And there is no way the GAA are going to hand over the All Ireland championship, to a station that broadcasts in a language that most people can not speak or understand. And I am just stating a fact there. I'm not looking to kick off one of those "our native language is a part of who we are" debates.
Quote from: Syferus on June 05, 2015, 03:38:33 PM
The obsession this board - and seemingly the GAA presidents too - have with RTE pundits is not healthy or beneficial.
RTE have being award the responsibility of showcasing our games to the Irish public. When they disrespect, sensationalize and ridicule our games, members and volunteers they should be brought to account.
Quote from: Syferus on June 05, 2015, 03:38:33 PM
The obsession this board - and seemingly the GAA presidents too - have with RTE pundits is not healthy or beneficial.
Like it or not, the RTE pundits are presenting our games to the masses. And if anyone thinks that our games are best served by the lampooning of individuals, personal attacks, constant negativity or lack of attention to detail then I dunno, I'm obviously expecting too much.
I expect them to analyse the games, point out interesting tactical elements, and have good discussions among themselves about what's going on. If I wanted to listen to 3 lads talking shite for the sake of having a row, I'd go down to the pub at twenty to one in the morning.
I think it's well within the Uachtarán's remit to try to ensure the games are presented as professionally as possible, and while it would obviously be better done in the privacy of contract negotiations, he has to be seen to defend the organisation if members are getting a raw deal on the TV.
Imagine the rí rá if one of the Sky Sports News presenters said something like 'These guys are useless, slow lazy fools. What sort of nonsense game is this?'. There's be an invasion of England in the morning.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 05, 2015, 04:21:24 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 05, 2015, 03:38:33 PM
The obsession this board - and seemingly the GAA presidents too - have with RTE pundits is not healthy or beneficial.
Like it or not, the RTE pundits are presenting our games to the masses. And if anyone thinks that our games are best served by the lampooning of individuals, personal attacks, constant negativity or lack of attention to detail then I dunno, I'm obviously expecting too much.
I expect them to analyse the games, point out interesting tactical elements, and have good discussions among themselves about what's going on. If I wanted to listen to 3 lads talking shite for the sake of having a row, I'd go down to the pub at twenty to one in the morning.
I think it's well within the Uachtarán's remit to try to ensure the games are presented as professionally as possible, and while it would obviously be better done in the privacy of contract negotiations, he has to be seen to defend the organisation if members are getting a raw deal on the TV.
Imagine the rí rá if one of the Sky Sports News presenters said something like 'These guys are useless, slow lazy fools. What sort of nonsense game is this?'. There's be an invasion of England in the morning.
The pres here attacked a lad for making his usual topical joke about defensive football. It made the president look a real dullard getting serious and lecturing Pat and us about the real Taliban - come the f**k on.
The fact also remains Spillane's point, hidden beneath the jokes, that defensive football is a bit shit to watch, is entirely valid. That robs his little reposte of much of its weight.
Likewise his attack on Cake was childish in the extreme.
Are we supposed to respect a president that goes around picking fights with pundits or think it proves he has anything close to the capacity to make meaningful change? Because for me he sure as hell lost most of the goodwill he had for being the new man by falling straight into the same traps Liam O'Niell's tenure was defined by.
He should sort out the quaility of the product on the field and the quaility of how it's run off it and not engage himself in useless media baiting.
RTE are free to be as good or as bad as they feel they want to be, it's not his job to tell any pundit what to say or not to say.
I have no great affection for RTE's coverage but this idea that the GAA should try to crack down on pundits who are negative is absolute folly and if it ever happened it would amount to little more more than lightweight propaganda that the GAA would be ridiculed for. People are free to say and think what they like in this country, I'm afraid.
Quote from: Beffs on June 05, 2015, 04:00:26 PM
Tiempo, TV3/Setanta can't afford to cover the AI champo the way that RTE do. If they could, they would be doing it already. And there is no way the GAA are going to hand over the All Ireland championship, to a station that broadcasts in a language that most people can not speak or understand. And I am just stating a fact there. I'm not looking to kick off one of those "our native language is a part of who we are" debates.
RTE are a long established state institution hence they have the resources to put on a good show. There is no saying with the increase in advertising revenues and other improvement opportunities available upon the awarding of the summer championships what TV3/TG4 would be capable of, I am sure they are not lacking the wherewithal, they have proven in the past with League, Championship and Club coverage that they are more than capable, in fact some here prefer their programming.
As for the Irish TV station broadcasts in Irish shocker, it's definitely better we don't go there. As a non Gaeilgeoir however it has never put me off the games, and as the channel is only broadcast in Ireland then why would it be of concern to a global audience as they won't be watching on that channel anyway?
Quote from: Syferus on June 05, 2015, 04:38:29 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 05, 2015, 04:21:24 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 05, 2015, 03:38:33 PM
The obsession this board - and seemingly the GAA presidents too - have with RTE pundits is not healthy or beneficial.
Like it or not, the RTE pundits are presenting our games to the masses. And if anyone thinks that our games are best served by the lampooning of individuals, personal attacks, constant negativity or lack of attention to detail then I dunno, I'm obviously expecting too much.
I expect them to analyse the games, point out interesting tactical elements, and have good discussions among themselves about what's going on. If I wanted to listen to 3 lads talking shite for the sake of having a row, I'd go down to the pub at twenty to one in the morning.
I think it's well within the Uachtarán's remit to try to ensure the games are presented as professionally as possible, and while it would obviously be better done in the privacy of contract negotiations, he has to be seen to defend the organisation if members are getting a raw deal on the TV.
Imagine the rí rá if one of the Sky Sports News presenters said something like 'These guys are useless, slow lazy fools. What sort of nonsense game is this?'. There's be an invasion of England in the morning.
The pres here attacked a lad for making his usual topical joke about defensive football. It made the president look a real dullard getting serious and lecturing Pat and us about the real Taliban - come the f**k on.
The fact also remains Spillane's point, hidden beneath the jokes, that defensive football is a bit shit to watch, is entirely valid. That robs his little reposte of much of its weight.
Likewise his attack on Cake was childish in the extreme.
Are we supposed to respect a president that goes around picking fights with pundits or think it proves he has anything close to the capacity to make meaningful change? Because for me he sure as hell lost most of the goodwill he had for being the new man by falling straight into the same traps Liam O'Niell's tenure was defined by.
He should sort out the quaility of the product on the field and the quaility of how it's run off it and not engage himself in useless media baiting.
RTE are free to be as good or as bad as they feel they want to be, it's not his job to tell any pundit what to say or not to say.
I have no great affection for RTE's coverage but this idea that the GAA should try to crack down on pundits who are negative is absolute folly and if it ever happened it would amount to little more more than lightweight propaganda that the GAA would be ridiculed for. People are free to say and think what they like in this country, I'm afraid.
I suspect this is your real problem here :)
Quote from: Syferus on June 05, 2015, 04:38:29 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 05, 2015, 04:21:24 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 05, 2015, 03:38:33 PM
The obsession this board - and seemingly the GAA presidents too - have with RTE pundits is not healthy or beneficial.
Like it or not, the RTE pundits are presenting our games to the masses. And if anyone thinks that our games are best served by the lampooning of individuals, personal attacks, constant negativity or lack of attention to detail then I dunno, I'm obviously expecting too much.
I expect them to analyse the games, point out interesting tactical elements, and have good discussions among themselves about what's going on. If I wanted to listen to 3 lads talking shite for the sake of having a row, I'd go down to the pub at twenty to one in the morning.
I think it's well within the Uachtarán's remit to try to ensure the games are presented as professionally as possible, and while it would obviously be better done in the privacy of contract negotiations, he has to be seen to defend the organisation if members are getting a raw deal on the TV.
Imagine the rí rá if one of the Sky Sports News presenters said something like 'These guys are useless, slow lazy fools. What sort of nonsense game is this?'. There's be an invasion of England in the morning.
The pres here attacked a lad for making his usual topical joke about defensive football. It made the president look a real dullard getting serious and lecturing Pat and us about the real Taliban - come the f**k on.
The fact also remains Spillane's point, hidden beneath the jokes, that defensive football is a bit shit to watch, is entirely valid. That robs his little reposte of much of its weight.
Likewise his attack on Cake was childish in the extreme.
Are we supposed to respect a president that goes around picking fights with pundits or think it proves he has anything close to the capacity to make meaningful change? Because for me he sure as hell lost most of the goodwill he had for being the new man by falling straight into the same traps Liam O'Niell's tenure was defined by.
He should sort out the quaility of the product on the field and the quaility of how it's run off it and not engage himself in useless media baiting.
RTE are free to be as good or as bad as they feel they want to be, it's not his job to tell any pundit what to say or not to say.
I have no great affection for RTE's coverage but this idea that the GAA should try to crack down on pundits who are negative is absolute folly and if it ever happened it would amount to little more more than lightweight propaganda that the GAA would be ridiculed for. People are free to say and think what they like in this country, I'm afraid.
So the GAA should not try and crack down on pundits who are negative, but the pundits should be free to lobby the GAA with respect to defensive football on a publilc platform which they are given to promote the game, and attempt to give the impression that it is the overwhelming will of the Association for further rule changes?
The negative TV punditry is an attempt at heavy handed propaganda (given their platform to reach the masses). As stated earlier, RTE have the GAA by the balls, well that simply isn't true and the GAA President especially is entitled to protect those members of the association who have been subject to personal attack - the gold standard of negative punditry.
Some people just want things all their own way eh...
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The obsession this board - and seemingly the GAA presidents too - have with RTE pundits is not healthy or beneficial.
Like it or not, the RTE pundits are presenting our games to the masses. And if anyone thinks that our games are best served by the lampooning of individuals, personal attacks, constant negativity or lack of attention to detail then I dunno, I'm obviously expecting too much.
I expect them to analyse the games, point out interesting tactical elements, and have good discussions among themselves about what's going on. If I wanted to listen to 3 lads talking shite for the sake of having a row, I'd go down to the pub at twenty to one in the morning.
I think it's well within the Uachtarán's remit to try to ensure the games are presented as professionally as possible, and while it would obviously be better done in the privacy of contract negotiations, he has to be seen to defend the organisation if members are getting a raw deal on the TV.
Imagine the rí rá if one of the Sky Sports News presenters said something like 'These guys are useless, slow lazy fools. What sort of nonsense game is this?'. There's be an invasion of England in the morning.
The pres here attacked a lad for making his usual topical joke about defensive football. It made the president look a real dullard getting serious and lecturing Pat and us about the real Taliban - come the f**k on.
The fact also remains Spillane's point, hidden beneath the jokes, that defensive football is a bit shit to watch, is entirely valid. That robs his little reposte of much of its weight.
Likewise his attack on Cake was childish in the extreme.
Are we supposed to respect a president that goes around picking fights with pundits or think it proves he has anything close to the capacity to make meaningful change? Because for me he sure as hell lost most of the goodwill he had for being the new man by falling straight into the same traps Liam O'Niell's tenure was defined by.
He should sort out the quaility of the product on the field and the quaility of how it's run off it and not engage himself in useless media baiting.
RTE are free to be as good or as bad as they feel they want to be, it's not his job to tell any pundit what to say or not to say.
I have no great affection for RTE's coverage but this idea that the GAA should try to crack down on pundits who are negative is absolute folly and if it ever happened it would amount to little more more than lightweight propaganda that the GAA would be ridiculed for. People are free to say and think what they like in this country, I'm afraid.
I suspect this is your real problem here :)
Hardly. But thanks for trying to distill an entire post down to 'he's from your county so har har that explains it all'.
He's right though
I never said "har har". We'll just agree to disagree so. I'm comfortable with our president standing up for our members.
Aogan is dead right, fair play to him. Also, that cake fella is a clown and should join a circus somewhere.
The big question is why are Roscommon people so thick, perhaps Joe Brolly can pose this question on his next Sunday Game.
Fair enough. I think you are the deluded one. If the GAA put a stipulation in about personal attacks, I bet RTE would sign up to it no bother. I'm not talking about Cakes triangles or puke football. I'm talking about Sean cavanagh as a man, Paul grimley etc etc. it's not acceptable for a national broadcaster, and you can bet your arse the FA wouldn't stand for it on Sky or BBC.
Personally as a Cavan man I felt the "analysis" of the Cavan v Monaghan match on the Sunday Game was a joke. It could have been written a week before the match such pure shite was spoken. It was also insulting to my own county as well as insulting to Marty. The victims of this brainless analysis are good salt of the earth GAA people doing their best for their counties. No one is saying you cannot call out a team for being overly negative but there has to be a bit of balanced reasoning. Apart from the insulting stuff, much of what was said was plain inaccurate.
In my opinion the analysis this year has been some of the most laziest, poorly researched, midlessly regurgitated tripe that RTE has ever produced. The president of the GAA is absolutely correct to say that he is unhappy with this and fire a shot across the bows of whoever sanctions it. Having SKY involved now is a threat that RTE would do well not to ignore.
At the cup presentation today he spent more of his speech talking about Armagh (the losers) than he did about Roscommon, a president for Ulster and no one else.
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At the cup presentation today he spent more of his speech talking about Armagh (the losers) than he did about Roscommon, a president for Ulster and no one else.
Ah wise up ya bollix
That about sums you up itchy. well done.
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That about sums you up itchy. well done.
What is it with you Roscommon fools, did you want a 10 minute eulogy to the greatness of Roscommon? Can you not just be happy ye won? Like I said wise up ta f**k.
Your showing your class now itchey, top man keep it going
I'm with the meathman on this.