UCC won the Cork derby today at the Mardyke. Here's a video report of same.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYz9CjejcpA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYz9CjejcpA&feature=youtu.be)
UCC 13/8
UCD 5/1
UUJ 5/2
DCU 7/1
Maynooth 14/1
DIT 16/1
IT Sligo 16/1
NUIG 20/1
St.Marys 20/1
UL 40/1
IT Carlow 40/1
Queens 40/1
IT Tralee 50/1
Athlone IT 50/1
GMIT 75/1
Trinity 250/1
Blanchardstown IT 500/1
DIT out, beaten by 2, 14pts to 1-9 by GMIT
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 28, 2015, 03:30:55 PM
DIT out, beaten by 2, 14pts to 1-9 by GMIT
Going on FBD,O Byrne cup form that is a shock result.
Who's managing GMIT?
Sean O Dea still manager as far as I know. Definitely a shock. I saw GMIT against Galway & though they were missing some players they looked poor.
Fair play though a good win. Two of my own clubmates played well by all accounts
Any teams?
Quote from: galwayman on January 28, 2015, 03:55:46 PM
Sean O Dea still manager as far as I know. Definitely a shock. I saw GMIT against Galway & though they were missing some players they looked poor.
Fair play though a good win. Two of my own clubmates played well by all accounts
2 or 3 Corofin lads were back for GMIT today clearly made a big difference.
Does anybody really care about this apart from the colleges themselves?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/corofin-duo-in-lastgasp-heroics-to-secure-sigerson-win-for-gmit-30945836.html
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 28, 2015, 04:18:18 PM
Does anybody really care about this apart from the colleges themselves?
I guess also their families and friends and anyone who ever played in it
Having been on a third level squad many moons ago, I really don't pay any heed to it.
At least when we were in college most of the students playing were legit.
Queens and Sligo due to start now. Anyone on here at the match?
Via Sligo IT twitter https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fitsligogaaclub&ei=czTJVNbfIcj1auS1gaAN&usg=AFQjCNGgidL4NVnnGGWZBxGfkiItEikQvg
Thanks RT.
QUB 0 -04 v 1-02 Sligo IT at half time.
Quote from: bannside on January 28, 2015, 07:42:21 PM
QUB 0 -04 v 1-02 Sligo IT at half time.
Regan with 1-1
Gone into extra time
Sligo win by 4
Superb win for IT Sligo tonight!!
Mad conditions tonight..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR-_KWOKh2o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR-_KWOKh2o)
and here's the crucial penalty in extra-time..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9dxsXQZJb4&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9dxsXQZJb4&feature=youtu.be)
Well done to ITS. Martin McHugh has proven himself quite a good manager at Sigerson level, and he's already had a big impact since returning to ITS this season.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 28, 2015, 04:16:51 PM
Quote from: galwayman on January 28, 2015, 03:55:46 PM
Sean O Dea still manager as far as I know. Definitely a shock. I saw GMIT against Galway & though they were missing some players they looked poor.
Fair play though a good win. Two of my own clubmates played well by all accounts
2 or 3 Corofin lads were back for GMIT today clearly made a big difference.
Wtf were the corofin lads playing for?? Would have thought they'd be prepping for the club sf :o
The definition of idiocy: Making players risk serious injury by playing for 80 minutes in treacherous conditions, which to any sane person were unplayable, in a competition which nobody gives a toss about.
Quote from: Sidney on January 28, 2015, 11:20:39 PM
The definition of idiocy: Making players risk serious injury by playing for 80 minutes in treacherous conditions, which to any sane person were unplayable, in a competition which nobody gives a toss about.
First part 100% correct, second part less so. Heads sould roll for this game taking place, the ref/competition organisers want to be held to account. Sad to see, thankfully no-one hurt as a result it seems. Thinking back to the Kevin McCloy story of the last week, how would an insurance claim play out had their been one for say a broken leg or whatever. I know frig all about insurance but I'm guessing an insurance company would laugh you out of their office if you came cap in hand for looking a payout with a game played in those conditions.
Quote from: larryin89 on January 28, 2015, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: bannside on January 28, 2015, 07:42:21 PM
QUB 0 -04 v 1-02 Sligo IT at half time.
Regan with 1-1
Jeez the lad seems to be able to handle bad ould conditions. Seems to put in a shift regularly for the Sligo team.
Pity he can t play county football though. James Horan ran him -twice. Must be a different game. Obviously likes of Mikey Sweeney and Enda Varley would clean up in Sigerson so.
Quote from: Sidney on January 28, 2015, 11:20:39 PM
The definition of idiocy: Making players risk serious injury by playing for 80 minutes in treacherous conditions, which to any sane person were unplayable, in a competition which nobody gives a toss about.
Would agree on the pitch. I was shocked the game went ahead.
Whilst I think you are being harsh on nobody giving a toss I do think the wider GAA public tend to ignore this competition but I would guess that respect for it remains high
I don't think the national newspapers would bother with reports on all these games if nobody gives a toss about this competition.
Quote from: moysider on January 28, 2015, 11:39:40 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on January 28, 2015, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: bannside on January 28, 2015, 07:42:21 PM
QUB 0 -04 v 1-02 Sligo IT at half time.
Regan with 1-1
Jeez the lad seems to be able to handle bad ould conditions. Seems to put in a shift regularly for the Sligo team.
Pity he can t play county football though. James Horan ran him -twice. Must be a different game. Obviously likes of Mikey Sweeney and Enda Varley would clean up in Sigerson so.
Plenty of lads have done well in Sigerson without ever being top notch IC players. End Varley was an excellent Sigerson player.
Don't know where the notion that nobody cares about Sigerson came from, plenty do and it is a highly prestigious competition.
Can't understand the bad attitude in some quarters towards the Sigerson. A great competition, with high quality football and footballers involved.
Down here we'd see it as something of a barometer. If a guy can operate well at Sigerson level then he'd be considered a contender for Senior county squad. 8 of last years Kerry team are ex-UCC Sigerson players, 4 ex-CIT, 4 or 5 ex-UL (Jameso for example).
That game in Belfast should never have gone ahead in those conditions..crazy stuff!
Quote from: ck on January 28, 2015, 11:55:34 PM
Quote from: Sidney on January 28, 2015, 11:20:39 PM
The definition of idiocy: Making players risk serious injury by playing for 80 minutes in treacherous conditions, which to any sane person were unplayable, in a competition which nobody gives a toss about.
Would agree on the pitch. I was shocked the game went ahead.
Whilst I think you are being harsh on nobody giving a toss I do think the wider GAA public tend to ignore this competition but I would guess that respect for it remains high
The wider GAA public is a tenuous concept anyway.
Schools, College's, Club and everything except a few intercounty championship games every year are poorly attended.
It is a players' game mostly. Like rugby used to be and probably still is for most players. Those lads that won tonight will feel better they won in those conditions.
A local team of mine won by a point today in Colleges by 1 point aet., in hail and gales. The wider GAA public wouldn t be aware of these things.
Is the wider GAA public the people that watch the GA after the rugby and premiership finishes? Are they the punters that base their opinion on Roy Curtis and Eugene McGee? I dunno?
QuoteWtf were the corofin lads playing for?? Would have thought they'd be prepping for the club sf :o
I'm not sure exactly what the individual circumstances of the Corofin lads are - but I would imagine if they are on gaa scholarships in the college then they would have to play Sigerson unless injured?
All 3 played for Corofin in a challenge against a Galway selection last Friday night.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 29, 2015, 12:32:44 AM
Can't understand the bad attitude in some quarters towards the Sigerson. A great competition, with high quality football and footballers involved.
Down here we'd see it as something of a barometer. If a guy can operate well at Sigerson level then he'd be considered a contender for Senior county squad. 8 of last years Kerry team are ex-UCC Sigerson players, 4 ex-CIT, 4 or 5 ex-UL (Jameso for example).
That game in Belfast should never have gone ahead in those conditions..crazy stuff!
Now that s what I m talking about. Apologies but a couple of posters on here (meaning Larry and Syferus) would have got my earlier sarcasm.
Regan should have been in Mayo 2013, let alone 2014.
His omission is like Don., Dub., and Kerry telling likes of McBrearty, Mannion and O Donoghue to FO. for themselves.
Quote from: moysider on January 29, 2015, 12:40:33 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 29, 2015, 12:32:44 AM
Can't understand the bad attitude in some quarters towards the Sigerson. A great competition, with high quality football and footballers involved.
Down here we'd see it as something of a barometer. If a guy can operate well at Sigerson level then he'd be considered a contender for Senior county squad. 8 of last years Kerry team are ex-UCC Sigerson players, 4 ex-CIT, 4 or 5 ex-UL (Jameso for example).
That game in Belfast should never have gone ahead in those conditions..crazy stuff!
Now that s what I m talking about. Apologies but a couple of posters on here (meaning Larry and Syferus) would have got my earlier sarcasm.
Regan should have been in Mayo 2013, let alone 2014.
His omission is like Don., Dub., and Kerry telling likes of McBrearty, Mannion and O Donoghue to FO. for themselves.
I'd certainly have more worries about Mayo's forward like were Regan there. Makes no sense to anyone in Sligo either. Thought this would be his year now Horan has took the rodeo out of town but it doesn't appear to be the case, or at least not yet?
Quote from: Syferus on January 29, 2015, 12:54:34 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 29, 2015, 12:40:33 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 29, 2015, 12:32:44 AM
Can't understand the bad attitude in some quarters towards the Sigerson. A great competition, with high quality football and footballers involved.
Down here we'd see it as something of a barometer. If a guy can operate well at Sigerson level then he'd be considered a contender for Senior county squad. 8 of last years Kerry team are ex-UCC Sigerson players, 4 ex-CIT, 4 or 5 ex-UL (Jameso for example).
That game in Belfast should never have gone ahead in those conditions..crazy stuff!
Now that s what I m talking about. Apologies but a couple of posters on here (meaning Larry and Syferus) would have got my earlier sarcasm.
Regan should have been in Mayo 2013, let alone 2014.
His omission is like Don., Dub., and Kerry telling likes of McBrearty, Mannion and O Donoghue to FO. for themselves.
I'd certainly have more worries about Mayo's forward like were Regan there. Makes no sense to anyone in Sligo either. Thought this would be his year now Horan has took the rodeo out of town but it doesn't appear to be the case, or at least not yet?
So, what are you saying Sy?
Video: 'It was like rolling snow for a snowman!' - Mark McHugh on Sligo IT's Sigerson Cup win at Queens https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7qZNCsJYMo&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: moysider on January 29, 2015, 12:40:33 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 29, 2015, 12:32:44 AM
Can't understand the bad attitude in some quarters towards the Sigerson. A great competition, with high quality football and footballers involved.
Down here we'd see it as something of a barometer. If a guy can operate well at Sigerson level then he'd be considered a contender for Senior county squad. 8 of last years Kerry team are ex-UCC Sigerson players, 4 ex-CIT, 4 or 5 ex-UL (Jameso for example).
That game in Belfast should never have gone ahead in those conditions..crazy stuff!
Now that s what I m talking about. Apologies but a couple of posters on here (meaning Larry and Syferus) would have got my earlier sarcasm.
Regan should have been in Mayo 2013, let alone 2014.
His omission is like Don., Dub., and Kerry telling likes of McBrearty, Mannion and O Donoghue to FO. for themselves.
If its not his ability that's an issue then it must be something else.............
Quote from: moysider on January 28, 2015, 11:39:40 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on January 28, 2015, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: bannside on January 28, 2015, 07:42:21 PM
QUB 0 -04 v 1-02 Sligo IT at half time.
Regan with 1-1
Jeez the lad seems to be able to handle bad ould conditions. Seems to put in a shift regularly for the Sligo team.
Pity he can t play county football though. James Horan ran him -twice. Must be a different game. Obviously likes of Mikey Sweeney and Enda Varley would clean up in Sigerson so.
I know that you're from Ballina so would be closer to this than the rest of us, but to me, he has had two run-outs in the FBD (when he should have been playing for ITS?), so he is surely in plans at present. It seems though from this post and others, that he may not. I was looking forward to see him in a few meaningful games for Mayo during the league. You are usually on the ball with your analysis with Mayo players and you certainly seem to rate this lad.
I ll be amazed if he doesn't play v Kerry. He was very good in trial game at the weekend as well.
Speaking to someone at the match last night, Evan missed some very scoreable frees. Not playing to the same standards as this time last year. Hopefully, he regains that form because we need new blood in the FF line. Brian Gallagher took the game by the scruff of the neck in the second period of Extra Time and won the game for Sligo, albeit he was poor up to then.
Anyone hear any talk about both Queens and Sligo IT fielding ineligible players in their game?
Could lead to UCC getting a walkover to the finals weekend.
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 30, 2015, 01:19:59 PM
Anyone hear any talk about both Queens and Sligo IT fielding ineligible players in their game?
Could lead to UCC getting a walkover to the finals weekend.
Sligo IT are frantically registering players for the Evening Diploma in Fish Gutting (Practical) and the National Certificate in Leisure Management (Theory) as we speak.
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 30, 2015, 01:19:59 PM
Anyone hear any talk about both Queens and Sligo IT fielding ineligible players in their game?
Could lead to UCC getting a walkover to the finals weekend.
How dare you suggest that such a bastion of integrity and honesty would ever get involved in such things!
Its only the polytechs and such that are at that!
Wash your mouth out with bleach.
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 30, 2015, 01:19:59 PM
Anyone hear any talk about both Queens and Sligo IT fielding ineligible players in their game?
Could lead to UCC getting a walkover to the finals weekend.
I highly doubt that.
Quote from: Syferus on January 30, 2015, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 30, 2015, 01:19:59 PM
Anyone hear any talk about both Queens and Sligo IT fielding ineligible players in their game?
Could lead to UCC getting a walkover to the finals weekend.
I highly doubt that.
I only heard about it very 2nd hand and very roundabout.
I've no idea what the new restrictions that were brought in recently are like on who is a legitimate Sigerson player and who isn't, but given there were new rules brought in, I could easily see some 3rd levels getting caught out by fielding ineligible players. Instinctively I would say it would be far more likely to be a genuine oversight/ error as regards the rules as opposed to trying to pull a fast one.
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 30, 2015, 04:33:07 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 30, 2015, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 30, 2015, 01:19:59 PM
Anyone hear any talk about both Queens and Sligo IT fielding ineligible players in their game?
Could lead to UCC getting a walkover to the finals weekend.
I highly doubt that.
I only heard about it very 2nd hand and very roundabout.
I've no idea what the new restrictions that were brought in recently are like on who is a legitimate Sigerson player and who isn't, but given there were new rules brought in, I could easily see some 3rd levels getting caught out by fielding ineligible players. Instinctively I would say it would be far more likely to be a genuine oversight/ error as regards the rules as opposed to trying to pull a fast one.
"2nd hand roundabout way" yet your talking nonsense about UCC getting a walkover.
I'm pretty familiar with the ITS panel and there's no illegal players. They are all legit full time students. We haven't 2 euro to scratch our arses so the last thing we would be at is throwing money at players to come in for a bit of ball. We leave that to other colleges who everyone knows
Quote from: ck on January 30, 2015, 11:11:54 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 30, 2015, 04:33:07 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 30, 2015, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 30, 2015, 01:19:59 PM
Anyone hear any talk about both Queens and Sligo IT fielding ineligible players in their game?
Could lead to UCC getting a walkover to the finals weekend.
I highly doubt that.
I only heard about it very 2nd hand and very roundabout.
I've no idea what the new restrictions that were brought in recently are like on who is a legitimate Sigerson player and who isn't, but given there were new rules brought in, I could easily see some 3rd levels getting caught out by fielding ineligible players. Instinctively I would say it would be far more likely to be a genuine oversight/ error as regards the rules as opposed to trying to pull a fast one.
"2nd hand roundabout way" yet your talking nonsense about UCC getting a walkover.
I'm pretty familiar with the ITS panel and there's no illegal players. They are all legit full time students. We haven't 2 euro to scratch our arses so the last thing we would be at is throwing money at players to come in for a bit of ball. We leave that to other colleges who everyone knows
I don't know the ins and outs but I've been told by someone involved with a third level college that it's alleged that the new "3 course rule" is the one that has been infringed...which with a lot of students in a lot of colleges, is not an unrealistic possibility. If you are so familiar with IT Sligo's squad then you will know that some of them have attended other institutions for example?
I really hope this turns out to be not true as the competition doesn't need this kind of thing rearing its head again.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 31, 2015, 01:20:10 AM
Quote from: ck on January 30, 2015, 11:11:54 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 30, 2015, 04:33:07 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 30, 2015, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 30, 2015, 01:19:59 PM
Anyone hear any talk about both Queens and Sligo IT fielding ineligible players in their game?
Could lead to UCC getting a walkover to the finals weekend.
I highly doubt that.
I only heard about it very 2nd hand and very roundabout.
I've no idea what the new restrictions that were brought in recently are like on who is a legitimate Sigerson player and who isn't, but given there were new rules brought in, I could easily see some 3rd levels getting caught out by fielding ineligible players. Instinctively I would say it would be far more likely to be a genuine oversight/ error as regards the rules as opposed to trying to pull a fast one.
"2nd hand roundabout way" yet your talking nonsense about UCC getting a walkover.
I'm pretty familiar with the ITS panel and there's no illegal players. They are all legit full time students. We haven't 2 euro to scratch our arses so the last thing we would be at is throwing money at players to come in for a bit of ball. We leave that to other colleges who everyone knows
I don't know the ins and outs but I've been told by someone involved with a third level college that it's alleged that the new "3 course rule" is the one that has been infringed...which with a lot of students in a lot of colleges, is not an unrealistic possibility. If you are so familiar with IT Sligo's squad then you will know that some of them have attended other institutions for example?
I really hope this turns out to be not true as the competition doesn't need this kind of thing rearing its head again.
Talk about shit stirring! If you have something to say come out and say it and less of this "I've been told by a friend" nonsense. So what of a few players have been at other institutions, that doesn't make them illegal. For the record I assume your referring to Mark McHugh. Yeah he was at NUIG, so what! He's in his second course, for the record.
Some people love to generate shite without knowing any of the facts.
You are totally correct twohands Queens have lodged an objection against IT Sligo and IT Sligo are lodging a counter objection against Queens. No idea what the objections are about
..moving onto something other than silly games, ITS' shot at upsetting UCC took a huge blow today with Evan Regan surely out injured. Would be amazing if they could do it now.
Quote from: ck on January 31, 2015, 11:21:57 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 31, 2015, 01:20:10 AM
Quote from: ck on January 30, 2015, 11:11:54 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 30, 2015, 04:33:07 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 30, 2015, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 30, 2015, 01:19:59 PM
Anyone hear any talk about both Queens and Sligo IT fielding ineligible players in their game?
Could lead to UCC getting a walkover to the finals weekend.
I highly doubt that.
I only heard about it very 2nd hand and very roundabout.
I've no idea what the new restrictions that were brought in recently are like on who is a legitimate Sigerson player and who isn't, but given there were new rules brought in, I could easily see some 3rd levels getting caught out by fielding ineligible players. Instinctively I would say it would be far more likely to be a genuine oversight/ error as regards the rules as opposed to trying to pull a fast one.
"2nd hand roundabout way" yet your talking nonsense about UCC getting a walkover.
I'm pretty familiar with the ITS panel and there's no illegal players. They are all legit full time students. We haven't 2 euro to scratch our arses so the last thing we would be at is throwing money at players to come in for a bit of ball. We leave that to other colleges who everyone knows
I don't know the ins and outs but I've been told by someone involved with a third level college that it's alleged that the new "3 course rule" is the one that has been infringed...which with a lot of students in a lot of colleges, is not an unrealistic possibility. If you are so familiar with IT Sligo's squad then you will know that some of them have attended other institutions for example?
I really hope this turns out to be not true as the competition doesn't need this kind of thing rearing its head again.
Talk about shit stirring! If you have something to say come out and say it and less of this "I've been told by a friend" nonsense. So what of a few players have been at other institutions, that doesn't make them illegal. For the record I assume your referring to Mark McHugh. Yeah he was at NUIG, so what! He's in his second course, for the record.
Some people love to generate shite without knowing any of the facts.
Well FACT is that an allegation of an illegal player has been made by Queens now, so maybe now you'll come off your high horse.
Fact? What's the fact. Spit it out. Who's the accused illegal player? First I heard of it.
I hope you're not basing your "FACT" on above post by Stonghold who has been on here spouting nonsense for years. He'd know all about illegal played coming from UUJ.
Quote from: ck on February 01, 2015, 08:09:05 PM
Fact? What's the fact. Spit it out. Who's the accused illegal player? First I heard of it.
I hope you're not basing your "FACT" on above post by Stonghold who has been on here spouting nonsense for years. He'd know all about illegal played coming from UUJ.
No, not basing it just on that. Heard it from a friend of mine.. ;)
Look, you obviously have an affinity with IT Sligo, best to leave emotion out of these things I find.
I don't know who the alleged player concerned is. IF an illegal player has been played, it will be dealt with in the next few days I imagine and we'll all know then.All I know for sure is that the Higher Education committee are investigating it right now.
To be honest I hope it's not true and the competition proceeds as things stand.
Yeah agree, hope there's nothing in this. I'm aware of the work that has gone into the ITS panel this year and I know we don't go down the road of bringing in fancy Dan players for a day out. If there is an illegal player I can only guess there has been a mistake.
Bigger issues for us today with Evan Regan breaking his collarbone. We wish him a speedy recovery.
Take this as fact. Queens have lodged an objection regarding player/players from IT Sligo. Don't know details
IT Sligo counter objection relates to at least 3 Stranmillis students playing for Queens.
Well I'll check this out today Stonghold.
No doubt all eyes will be on the Jordanstown team sheet this week to make sure boys aren't at it again against the scholarship kings DCU. I'd hate to think there are players from other colleges playing for J'town!
Different year same sh1t from ck.
Somebody reports that Queens and Sligo are objecting to each other, and ck throws mud at UUJ.
ck, what is it with you and the poly???
I was with the poly for 5 years (degree and MBA before you ask), and we never played illegal players.
I played in a freshers final against Queens, who were shouting that we had illegal players (which we didn't) and they only shut up when we pointed out that they had two illegal players.
My point being, there is an urban myth about the poly and our evil ways, but it's not true
Quote from: CSC on February 02, 2015, 01:37:43 PM
Different year same sh1t from ck.
Somebody reports that Queens and Sligo are objecting to each other, and ck throws mud at UUJ.
ck, what is it with you and the poly???
I was with the poly for 5 years (degree and MBA before you ask), and we never played illegal players.
I played in a freshers final against Queens, who were shouting that we had illegal players (which we didn't) and they only shut up when we pointed out that they had two illegal players.
My point being, there is an urban myth about the poly and our evil ways, but it's not true
So there are no county players getting paid £4k to play this year.....one Tyrone fella and a Donegal lad...
I would go to UUJ to access their sports science expertise and the training facilities alone.
Best facilities on the island, probably.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 02, 2015, 04:14:15 PM
I would go to UUJ to access their sports science expertise and the training facilities alone.
Best facilities on the island, probably.
UL would be hard bate as a Sports campus I'd say. Their footballers have done fcuk all for last 10 years mind, despite the amount of talent that has come through there.
DCU have serious facilities.
UCC have the Mardyke Arena now, which is a fairly top class facility.
UCD have serious facilities.
UUJ and DCU should be a decent game on Wednesday, The 2 O Connors on either team, Cillian and Diarmuid.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 02, 2015, 04:21:57 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 02, 2015, 04:14:15 PM
I would go to UUJ to access their sports science expertise and the training facilities alone.
Best facilities on the island, probably.
UL would be hard bate as a Sports campus I'd say. Their footballers have done fcuk all for last 10 years mind, despite the amount of talent that has come through there.
DCU have serious facilities.
UCC have the Mardyke Arena now, which is a fairly top class facility.
UCD have serious facilities.
At the end of the day most universities have facilities that either match or surpass those of the counties - not many counties have facilities to beat the Mardyke Arena - or Queens...nevermind UUJ etc
Quote from: stronghold on February 01, 2015, 10:05:56 PM
Take this as fact. Queens have lodged an objection regarding player/players from IT Sligo. Don't know details
IT Sligo counter objection relates to at least 3 Stranmillis students playing for Queens.
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Queen's object against Sligo IT Sigerson Cup win Queen's are reported to have lodged an objection against their defeat by Sligo IT in the Sigerson Cup last week.
The Irish News reported on Tuesday that the Belfast university are insisting that Sligo player Stephen Doak was ineligible to play in the Belfast game.
Doak is currently president of Sligo's students union and Queen's assert that sabbatical offers are not permitted to play in the competition.
Sligo are believed to have launched a counter-objection against the QUB team.
It is understood that Sligo contend that Queen's broke competition rule by fielding three players who study at Stranmillis College.
The three players in question - Ciaran O'Hanlon, Tony Donnelly, Greg McCabe - are reported to carry Queen's student cards but there appears to be argument over whether Stranmillis College is regarded as a stand-alone club by the GAA's third-level authorities.
Sligo defeated Queen's 1-9 to 0-8 after extra-time in last Wednesday's game.
Ulster's two other Sigerson Cup hopefuls are in action on Wednesday with Ulster University facing Ryan Cup winners DCU at Jordanstown (14:00 GMT) while NUI Galway will take on St Mary's College at Dangan (15:30).
If Queens really are getting in a fuss over Doak (freshers manager last year, maybe he still is even, ITSSU president and heavily involved with Gaelic football in the college for years) who has hardly been brought in or is trying to skirt rules they are a joke-shop. Possible the most pathetic case of sour grapes I've seen.
With Queens trying to pull a fast one like that ITS are right to throw it right back at them.
Quote from: Syferus on February 03, 2015, 10:49:39 AM
If Queens really are getting in a fuss over Doak (freshers manager last year, maybe he still is even, ITSSU president and heavily involved with Gaelic football in the college for years) who has hardly been brought in or is trying to skirt rules they are a joke-shop. Possible the most pathetic case of sour grapes I've seen.
With Queens trying to pull a fast one like that ITS are right to throw it right back at them.
rules is rules
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on February 03, 2015, 11:26:46 AM
Quote from: Syferus on February 03, 2015, 10:49:39 AM
If Queens really are getting in a fuss over Doak (freshers manager last year, maybe he still is even, ITSSU president and heavily involved with Gaelic football in the college for years) who has hardly been brought in or is trying to skirt rules they are a joke-shop. Possible the most pathetic case of sour grapes I've seen.
With Queens trying to pull a fast one like that ITS are right to throw it right back at them.
rules is rules
Clearly not when Queens had to appeal. And Queens' situation looks altogether more dodgy.
This competition is a mess, and has been for years. I remember a couple of Kildare lads playing for AIT that hadn't even attended a class there.
Surely playing 3 Stranmillis students is no different to playing 3 St Mary's students?
I take it though there may be some loophole if Stranmillis no longer offers GAA?
Quote from: Syferus on February 03, 2015, 11:33:09 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on February 03, 2015, 11:26:46 AM
Quote from: Syferus on February 03, 2015, 10:49:39 AM
If Queens really are getting in a fuss over Doak (freshers manager last year, maybe he still is even, ITSSU president and heavily involved with Gaelic football in the college for years) who has hardly been brought in or is trying to skirt rules they are a joke-shop. Possible the most pathetic case of sour grapes I've seen.
With Queens trying to pull a fast one like that ITS are right to throw it right back at them.
rules is rules
Clearly not when Queens had to appeal. And Queens' situation looks altogether more dodgy.
CLEARLY at least one team has broken rules, no? And I am fairly certain stranmilis IS not a club alone but part of the QUB set up...unless you are Tommy Joe?
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on February 03, 2015, 12:03:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 03, 2015, 11:33:09 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on February 03, 2015, 11:26:46 AM
Quote from: Syferus on February 03, 2015, 10:49:39 AM
If Queens really are getting in a fuss over Doak (freshers manager last year, maybe he still is even, ITSSU president and heavily involved with Gaelic football in the college for years) who has hardly been brought in or is trying to skirt rules they are a joke-shop. Possible the most pathetic case of sour grapes I've seen.
With Queens trying to pull a fast one like that ITS are right to throw it right back at them.
rules is rules
Clearly not when Queens had to appeal. And Queens' situation looks altogether more dodgy.
CLEARLY at least one team has broken rules, no? And I am fairly certain stranmilis IS not a club alone but part of the QUB set up...unless you are Tommy Joe?
Stranmillis is a stand alone club competiting in Div 3 football and in ladies competitions. It has the same rights and independence as St Mary's .
Queens lost this case before Christmas at the Higher Education Committee, then lost again at the Central Appeals Committee. Then went to the DRA and lost again. (Must have more money than sense)
Surely you are not suggesting that Queens can pick St Mary's students. Actually in the past before they had their own team Stranmillis students played for St Mary's, Stepen O Neill a good example.
Quote from: stronghold on February 03, 2015, 12:56:56 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on February 03, 2015, 12:03:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 03, 2015, 11:33:09 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on February 03, 2015, 11:26:46 AM
Quote from: Syferus on February 03, 2015, 10:49:39 AM
If Queens really are getting in a fuss over Doak (freshers manager last year, maybe he still is even, ITSSU president and heavily involved with Gaelic football in the college for years) who has hardly been brought in or is trying to skirt rules they are a joke-shop. Possible the most pathetic case of sour grapes I've seen.
With Queens trying to pull a fast one like that ITS are right to throw it right back at them.
rules is rules
Clearly not when Queens had to appeal. And Queens' situation looks altogether more dodgy.
CLEARLY at least one team has broken rules, no? And I am fairly certain stranmilis IS not a club alone but part of the QUB set up...unless you are Tommy Joe?
Stranmillis is a stand alone club competiting in Div 3 football and in ladies competitions. It has the same rights and independence as St Mary's .
Queens lost this case before Christmas at the Higher Education Committee, then lost again at the Central Appeals Committee. Then went to the DRA and lost again. (Must have more money than sense)
Surely you are not suggesting that Queens can pick St Mary's students. Actually in the past before they had their own team Stranmillis students played for St Mary's, Stepen O Neill a good example.
fair point - seems though at all colleges are taking the competitive angle right to the line and sometimes well over it...UUJ have 5 players on their 3rd course...some of them getting paid £4k...allegedly
As already stated by another person it's about time we dealt in fact and not myth. UUJ have no players on a third course. None are getting paid. UUJ have a scholarship scheme same as most of the larger colleges/universities which include fees and accommodation. UCD, UCC, DIT CIT DCU and Queens all have similar. Queens top GAA scholarship is worth 10K as below.
The new Elite Athlete Programme (EAP) at Queens aims to create the right sporting and academic environment for high achieving students to reach their potential. The new programme has been established to attract sporting scholars placing academia and sporting ambition together in equal measure at Queen's University Belfast. The overall package per annum is worth up to £10,000 per student and is designed to support the athlete throughout their time studying at Queen's.
Some of the major benefits will include:
· £3,000 contribution towards fees
· Up to £3,000 contribution towards accommodation, international competition and support aids
· Personalised Strength & Conditioning coaching
· Sports Medicine and Physiotherapy Support
· Individual Academic Support and Career advice
Quote from: stronghold on February 03, 2015, 01:39:28 PM
As already stated by another person it's about time we dealt in fact and not myth. UUJ have no players on a third course. None are getting paid. UUJ have a scholarship scheme same as most of the larger colleges/universities which include fees and accommodation. UCD, UCC, DIT CIT DCU and Queens all have similar. Queens top GAA scholarship is worth 10K as below.
The new Elite Athlete Programme (EAP) at Queens aims to create the right sporting and academic environment for high achieving students to reach their potential. The new programme has been established to attract sporting scholars placing academia and sporting ambition together in equal measure at Queen's University Belfast. The overall package per annum is worth up to £10,000 per student and is designed to support the athlete throughout their time studying at Queen's.
Some of the major benefits will include:
· £3,000 contribution towards fees
· Up to £3,000 contribution towards accommodation, international competition and support aids
· Personalised Strength & Conditioning coaching
· Sports Medicine and Physiotherapy Support
· Individual Academic Support and Career advice
...with £4k being paid on top of that....as far as i am aware there are investigations ongoing into 9 player registrations at UUJ with 5 of those players being on a 3rd course...that said Peter Harte played for St Marys last year as a teacher in St Josephs Donaghmore...go figure....its all a bit of a joke
Sour grapes from McCartan and Co.
He wasn't complaining when he was winning Sigersons with a certain St Galls man as president of Clubs and Societies prominent.
Was standing next to the Queens dugout at the recent McKenna cup game. An awful bunch of moaners altogether.
If even 10% of the allegations being made on this thread are correct then this competition should be suspended indefinitely until the flagrant abuse is stopped.
Quote from: TheOptimist on February 03, 2015, 03:08:54 PM
Sour grapes from McCartan and Co.
He wasn't complaining when he was winning Sigersons with a certain St Galls man as president of Clubs and Societies prominent.
Was standing next to the Queens dugout at the recent McKenna cup game. An awful bunch of moaners altogether.
LOL...thats Down men for ye
Quote from: muppet on February 03, 2015, 03:50:17 PM
If even 10% of the allegations being made on this thread are correct then this competition should be suspended indefinitely until the flagrant abuse is stopped.
17% of statistical evidence is untrue anyway.
Quote from: theticklemister on February 03, 2015, 04:54:08 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 03, 2015, 03:50:17 PM
If even 10% of the allegations being made on this thread are correct then this competition should be suspended indefinitely until the flagrant abuse is stopped.
17% of statistical evidence is untrue anyway.
Wrong!
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Quote from: TheOptimist on February 03, 2015, 03:08:54 PM
Sour grapes from McCartan and Co.
He wasn't complaining when he was winning Sigersons with a certain St Galls man as president of Clubs and Societies prominent.
Was standing next to the Queens dugout at the recent McKenna cup game. An awful bunch of moaners altogether.
Was the rule not changed because of that so that Sabbatical officers could no longer play? If it was then Queens are perfectly right to complain about the double standards if nothing else.
Quote from: David McKeown on February 03, 2015, 07:19:51 PM
Quote from: TheOptimist on February 03, 2015, 03:08:54 PM
Sour grapes from McCartan and Co.
He wasn't complaining when he was winning Sigersons with a certain St Galls man as president of Clubs and Societies prominent.
Was standing next to the Queens dugout at the recent McKenna cup game. An awful bunch of moaners altogether.
Was the rule not changed because of that so that Sabbatical officers could no longer play? If it was then Queens are perfectly right to complain about the double standards if nothing else.
It was Queens who started throwing stones when they were living in a glass house themselves.
Is Doak legal or not?
Quote from: moysider on February 03, 2015, 09:22:00 PM
Is Doak legal or not?
For me the Queen's objection smacks of sore loosing but they are perfectly within their right to question if they think there's illegalities at play. I got out of HE gaa because of illegal players and colleges taking the utter P out of the Sigerson.
To the very best of my knowledge Doak is SU president but also a full time student. It will all be resolved tomorrow night in Croker.
St to beat nui today lads. Nui missing 6 county men. St Mary's were 4/5 this morning. As short as 8/13 now
Quote from: stronghold on February 03, 2015, 12:56:56 PM
Stranmillis is a stand alone club competiting in Div 3 football and in ladies competitions. It has the same rights and independence as St Mary's .
Queens lost this case before Christmas at the Higher Education Committee, then lost again at the Central Appeals Committee. Then went to the DRA and lost again. (Must have more money than sense)
Surely you are not suggesting that Queens can pick St Mary's students. Actually in the past before they had their own team Stranmillis students played for St Mary's, Stepen O Neill a good example.
It's all for the best. At least Stranmillis will now see why Tommy Joe was grooming them so ardently last year and they have fair warning that he will drop them as soon as they
get too old serve no further purpose in sabotaging Queen's.
Now, if only the HEGAA community had an enthusiastic individual who could help develop vibrant thriving independent third level clubs in Magee and Coleraine so their (best) players didn't have to make the long trip up to UUJ...
What time is UUJ v DCU today?
It's a 2. Video: See 5 minutes Sigerson Cup hilites from last night, including a stunning save.. Maynooth v UL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Aw-7xvZ4WEAY
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on February 04, 2015, 12:36:24 PM
Quote from: stronghold on February 03, 2015, 12:56:56 PM
Stranmillis is a stand alone club competiting in Div 3 football and in ladies competitions. It has the same rights and independence as St Mary's .
Queens lost this case before Christmas at the Higher Education Committee, then lost again at the Central Appeals Committee. Then went to the DRA and lost again. (Must have more money than sense)
Surely you are not suggesting that Queens can pick St Mary's students. Actually in the past before they had their own team Stranmillis students played for St Mary's, Stepen O Neill a good example.
It's all for the best. At least Stranmillis will now see why Tommy Joe was grooming them so ardently last year and they have fair warning that he will drop them as soon as they get too old serve no further purpose in sabotaging Queen's.
Now, if only the HEGAA community had an enthusiastic individual who could help develop vibrant thriving independent third level clubs in Magee and Coleraine so their (best) players didn't have to make the long trip up to UUJ...
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Ahh Tommy Joe...some man for one man, eh? Imagine if he spent all of that time on his own "centre of excellence"....
DCU 1-5 to UUJ 3PTS, 25 minutes played
dcufm do updates on twitter.
DCU 2-5 UUJ 0-4
Half Time
Any wind?
DCU 2-6 UUJ 0-6 39 mins
Unsure of wind conditions
DCU 2-8 UUJ 0-10 free Cillian O Connor 54 mins
It's like man city v Chelsea I bet with all the big money players
Goal Enda Smith DCU 3-10 UUJ 0-10
Good Night. Safe Home UUJ
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 04, 2015, 02:44:57 PM
DCU 2-5 UUJ 0-4
Half Time
The footballs will be safe behind the goals at half time then. For a change. :) :) :) :)
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on February 04, 2015, 03:32:46 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Gaa on February 04, 2015, 02:44:57 PM
DCU 2-5 UUJ 0-4
Half Time
The footballs will be safe behind the goals at half time then. For a change. :) :) :) :)
:) :) :) :) :) :) Some bad habits at the Poly courtesy of Master Mcguckan
So thats that argument settled - UUJ are just as shite as QUB...If I was at Stranmillis,I'd want my own club!
Video - DCU beat UUJ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J93qMCQ5-kI
Anyone have the team listings?
How much have Jordanstown spent chasing glory in assembling the squad they have without success. Joe Brolly was very critical of Jordanstown last year and mocked them as Jordanstown Flower arranging students and the semi professionals.
Surely somebody will have the explain the failure
Stronghold, answer me a very honest and straightforward question. (A yes or no will suffice).
Of all the players who played against DCU today, is everyone of them a full time student at Jordanstown?
Yes/No
DCU team
1, Tadgh Lowe - Roscommon
2. Jack Smith - Dublin
3. Conor Boyle - Monaghan
4. Conor Daly - Roscommon
5. Dessie Ward - Monaghan
6. Conor Moynagh - Cavan
7. Colm Begley - Laois
8. Tom Flynn - Galway
9. Steven O Brien - Tipperary
10. Diarmuid O Connor - Mayo
11. Conor Meredith - Laois
12. Davy Byrne - Dublin
13. Enda Smith - Roscommon
14. Conor Mcgraynor - Wicklow
15. Conor McHugh - Dublin
Quote from: downtown on February 04, 2015, 11:33:04 AM
St to beat nui today lads. Nui missing 6 county men. St Mary's were 4/5 this morning. As short as 8/13 now
Good call :)
Quote from: Bojangles on February 04, 2015, 04:59:11 PM
Anyone have the team listings?
https://twitter.com/coilinduffy/status/563020479947374593
Seriously with the team UUJ had these past 2 years they should be walking this, hard look needed at the management dept that they manage to balls this up 2 yrs running.
Yeah they should have been, but not all about big name players. UCC proved that last year.
Can anyone explain how much time the college's inter county players actually spend training and playing matches with the colleges. We all know how little time they get to spend with their clubs during the inter county season, is it any different regarding the colleges
Quote from: Bojangles on February 04, 2015, 04:59:11 PM
Anyone have the team listings?
Diarmuid o Connor has the braggin rights over the big brother this evening
No one should be surprised UUJ lost to DCU, league champions and perennial Sigerson challengers. Some of the best young players in the country, and I don't just mean the mighty Rossies. The likes of Tom Flynn, Diarmuid O'Connor and Conor McHugh are very talented players. They may not have the galaxy of stars they had in previous years but the team might be even more solid than it was in those years. UUJ going in the wrong direction with who they bring in, DCU going in the right direction.
And well done to Enda Smith on whacking two goals past UUJ - hopefully he has a few more in store on Saturday.
Quote from: sans pessimism on February 04, 2015, 06:43:27 PM
Quote from: Bojangles on February 04, 2015, 04:59:11 PM
Anyone have the team listings?
Diarmuid o Connor has the braggin rights over the big brother this evening
Cillian O'Connor (1f) 0-1. You would think the older brother would be shooting the lights out at this level?
Quarter final fixtures
Wednesday, February 11
UCC v IT Sligo
St. Mary's v DCU
Thursday February 12
UL v IT Carlow
UCD v GMIT
Even Regan will be a loss for Sligo going to UCC. UCC have a big spine from last years team still available, Conor Cox, Geaney, Tom Clancy, Conor Dorman, who kicked the winning score last year in the Final, and could see them retaining it this year.
DCU have a lot of talented players, didn't go for the Galactico look the last couple of years.
Quote from: Syferus on February 04, 2015, 06:52:34 PM
No one should be surprised UUJ lost to DCU, league champions and perennial Sigerson challengers. Some of the best young players in the country, and I don't just mean the mighty Rossies. The likes of Tom Flynn, Diarmuid O'Connor and Conor McHugh are very talented players. They may not have the galaxy of stars they had in previous years but the team might be even more solid than it was in those years. UUJ going in the wrong direction with who they bring in, DCU going in the right direction.
And well done to Enda Smith on whacking two goals past UUJ - hopefully he has a few more in store on Saturday.
Would agree with your sentiment but the difficulty I have is the term "who they bring in". No college should be bringing anyone in. That's what has Sigerson in the mess that it is and why respect for it has reduced. Your point is well made though. Jordanstown stack their team every year yet still win nothing.
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 04, 2015, 07:17:35 PM
Quarter final fixtures
Wednesday, February 11
UCC v IT Sligo
St. Mary's v DCU
Thursday February 12
UL v IT Carlow
UCD v GMIT
Even Regan will be a loss for Sligo going to UCC. UCC have a big spine from last years team still available, Conor Cox, Geaney, Tom Clancy, Conor Dorman, who kicked the winning score last year in the Final, and could see them retaining it this year.
DCU have a lot of talented players, didn't go for the Galactico look the last couple of years.
Even Regan is a massive loss for us but we'll still give UCC plenty to think about.
Hard to see past DCU but I'd put UCD as a good outside bet.
UUJ: R Beggan; K Brady, R Johnston, M Johnston; K Clarke (0-1), M Donnelly, S Sheridan (0-1); M Argue, C Mooney (0-1); K Hughes, R O'Neill (0-1), R Donnelly (0-2); P McBrearty (0-2, two frees), C O'Boyle, C O'Connor (0-1, free).
Subs: B Sankey for Argue (29 mins), D Savage (0-1) for Sankey (BC, 35 mins), L Gervin for O'Neill (40 mins), F Burns for O'Boyle (44 mins).
DCU: T Lowe; J Smith, C Boyle, C Daly (0-1); D Ward, C Moynagh, C Begley; T Flynn, S O'Brien; D O'Connor, C Meredith, D Byrne; E Smith (2-0), N Murphy (1-1), C McHugh (0-5, 4f).
Subs: R Connor (0-1) for Meredith (39 mins), D Smith (0-2) for Murphy (45 mins), C McGreanor for O'Connor (46 mins), E O'Connor for Byrne (52 mins), S Carey for Moynagh (55 mins), D Wrynn for McHugh (58 mins).
Referee: Pádraig Hughes (Armagh)
Quote from: JoG2 on February 04, 2015, 07:35:10 PM
UUJ: R Beggan; K Brady, R Johnston, M Johnston; K Clarke (0-1), M Donnelly, S Sheridan (0-1); M Argue, C Mooney (0-1); K Hughes, R O'Neill (0-1), R Donnelly (0-2); P McBrearty (0-2, two frees), C O'Boyle, C O'Connor (0-1, free).
Subs: B Sankey for Argue (29 mins), D Savage (0-1) for Sankey (BC, 35 mins), L Gervin for O'Neill (40 mins), F Burns for O'Boyle (44 mins).
DCU: T Lowe; J Smith, C Boyle, C Daly (0-1); D Ward, C Moynagh, C Begley; T Flynn, S O'Brien; D O'Connor, C Meredith, D Byrne; E Smith (2-0), N Murphy (1-1), C McHugh (0-5, 4f).
Subs: R Connor (0-1) for Meredith (39 mins), D Smith (0-2) for Murphy (45 mins), C McGreanor for O'Connor (46 mins), E O'Connor for Byrne (52 mins), S Carey for Moynagh (55 mins), D Wrynn for McHugh (58 mins).
Referee: Pádraig Hughes (Armagh)
Had UUJ anyone missing - that is a stellar line up that should be winning but then DCU had good team also. I thought Niall McKeever (Antrim) Conor McAliskey (Tyrone) and Paul Devlin (Down) were at UUJ...?
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 04, 2015, 07:17:35 PM
Quarter final fixtures
Wednesday, February 11
UCC v IT Sligo
St. Mary's v DCU
Thursday February 12
UL v IT Carlow
UCD v GMIT
Has the semi finals been set?
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 04, 2015, 09:42:56 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 04, 2015, 07:17:35 PM
Quarter final fixtures
Wednesday, February 11
UCC v IT Sligo
St. Mary's v DCU
Thursday February 12
UL v IT Carlow
UCD v GMIT
Has the semi finals been set?
I think it's:
UCC/Sligo v Carlow/UL
UCD/GMIT v DCU/Mary's.
CK, any white smoke from Croke park on this fiasco yet?
That UUJ team is like a County fantasy football team, shocking that they lost and lost by so much.
Here's more video from the game, first UUJ's best bits... they were well-beaten in the end, especially with the last-minute goal and point taking the gap to 9, but they could have had a few goals...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPboXRZXW0w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPboXRZXW0w)
and this is the 'Sean Boylan' effect ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxlzLvLovQw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxlzLvLovQw)
DCU were in this position long before the Herb Man came along.
That was a lovely last point from Donie though.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 04, 2015, 10:06:06 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 04, 2015, 09:42:56 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 04, 2015, 07:17:35 PM
Quarter final fixtures
Wednesday, February 11
UCC v IT Sligo
St. Mary's v DCU
Thursday February 12
UL v IT Carlow
UCD v GMIT
Has the semi finals been set?
I think it's:
UCC/Sligo v Carlow/UL
UCD/GMIT v DCU/Mary's.
CK, any white smoke from Croke park on this fiasco yet?
Yes fiasco over. ITS have been thrown out of Sigerson.
I can't comment any further as I'm probably the biggest critic of colleges with illegal players and I think Sigerson seriously needs cleaned up. If this is a step towards that then it'll be a good thing.
I'll comment. It's the dictiontionary definition of ridculious. A majority of the colleges that have won this competition in the last decade should have been thrown out if this absolutely and clearly honest mistake warrants this punishment. Other colleges have gotten away with far worse and purposeful rule-breaking.
The Sigerson has lost all credibility in my eyes now.
Quote from: Syferus on February 05, 2015, 01:27:08 PM
I'll comment. It's the dictiontionary definition of ridculious. A majority of the colleges that have won this competition in the last decade should have been thrown out if this absolutely and clearly honest mistake warrants this punishment. Other colleges have gotten away with far worse and purposeful rule-breaking.
The Sigerson has lost all credibility in my eyes now.
Would agree with all of that. Feel very sad for ITS players who have put in so much work this year. I have been disillusioned with Sigerson for a long time now and it looks set to continue.
Quote from: ck on February 05, 2015, 01:35:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 05, 2015, 01:27:08 PM
I'll comment. It's the dictiontionary definition of ridculious. A majority of the colleges that have won this competition in the last decade should have been thrown out if this absolutely and clearly honest mistake warrants this punishment. Other colleges have gotten away with far worse and purposeful rule-breaking.
The Sigerson has lost all credibility in my eyes now.
Would agree with all of that. Feel very sad for ITS players who have put in so much work this year. I have been disillusioned with Sigerson for a long time now and it looks set to continue.
What was the honest mistake Or the eligibility issue?
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 05, 2015, 02:01:43 PM
Quote from: ck on February 05, 2015, 01:35:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 05, 2015, 01:27:08 PM
I'll comment. It's the dictiontionary definition of ridculious. A majority of the colleges that have won this competition in the last decade should have been thrown out if this absolutely and clearly honest mistake warrants this punishment. Other colleges have gotten away with far worse and purposeful rule-breaking.
The Sigerson has lost all credibility in my eyes now.
Would agree with all of that. Feel very sad for ITS players who have put in so much work this year. I have been disillusioned with Sigerson for a long time now and it looks set to continue.
What was the honest mistake Or the eligibility issue?
Think they played a University Officer rather than a student.
Was McGourty not an officer for Queens a few years back and he played on? The whole thing is a farce!!
Why is this competition taken so seriously at all? As the man said teams have no ground and no fans and it should only really be a kickabout for a bit of craic. It's not like College sport in America which is taken very seriously by all involved with the College including a huge Alumni following.
When I was at Uni there were a fair few lads who were good enough but didn't bother as they had no real affinity for the University. Sure the Poly is a big chicken factory what grá could you have for the place.
Freshers and Undergrad students under 24 should be all that are allowed to play end of story!
Quote from: screenexile on February 05, 2015, 02:14:51 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 05, 2015, 02:01:43 PM
Quote from: ck on February 05, 2015, 01:35:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 05, 2015, 01:27:08 PM
I'll comment. It's the dictiontionary definition of ridculious. A majority of the colleges that have won this competition in the last decade should have been thrown out if this absolutely and clearly honest mistake warrants this punishment. Other colleges have gotten away with far worse and purposeful rule-breaking.
The Sigerson has lost all credibility in my eyes now.
Would agree with all of that. Feel very sad for ITS players who have put in so much work this year. I have been disillusioned with Sigerson for a long time now and it looks set to continue.
What was the honest mistake Or the eligibility issue?
Think they played a University Officer rather than a student.
Was McGourty not an officer for Queens a few years back and he played on? The whole thing is a farce!!
Why is this competition taken so seriously at all? As the man said teams have no ground and no fans and it should only really be a kickabout for a bit of craic. It's not like College sport in America which is taken very seriously by all involved with the College including a huge Alumni following.
When I was at Uni there were a fair few lads who were good enough but didn't bother as they had no real affinity for the University. Sure the Poly is a big chicken factory what grá could you have for the place.
Freshers and Undergrad students under 24 should be all that are allowed to play end of story!
The thing is that it suits some folk to make the Sigerson as "professional" as possible, especially some of the university employees. I think they should actually do away with the league competition and keep the Sigerson as a simple direct knock-out (which will keep folk from taking it too seriously)
Totally agree with the idea that is should be undergrad students only and I'd go as far as that i should say that you should only be eligible to play for one institution in your lifetime.
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I'll comment. It's the dictiontionary definition of ridculious. A majority of the colleges that have won this competition in the last decade should have been thrown out if this absolutely and clearly honest mistake warrants this punishment. Other colleges have gotten away with far worse and purposeful rule-breaking.
The Sigerson has lost all credibility in my eyes now.
Would agree with all of that. Feel very sad for ITS players who have put in so much work this year. I have been disillusioned with Sigerson for a long time now and it looks set to continue.
What was the honest mistake Or the eligibility issue?
Think they played a University Officer rather than a student.
Was McGourty not an officer for Queens a few years back and he played on? The whole thing is a farce!!
Why is this competition taken so seriously at all? As the man said teams have no ground and no fans and it should only really be a kickabout for a bit of craic. It's not like College sport in America which is taken very seriously by all involved with the College including a huge Alumni following.
When I was at Uni there were a fair few lads who were good enough but didn't bother as they had no real affinity for the University. Sure the Poly is a big chicken factory what grá could you have for the place.
Freshers and Undergrad students under 24 should be all that are allowed to play end of story!
That's sabbatical officers / elected students? They could play at a time but think the purge that brought in the 6 yearand two course limit ended that as well.
Every college in the country would have sabbaticals that they presumably don't play? There's a big presumption in the current climate!
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Quarter final fixtures
Wednesday, February 11
UCC v IT Sligo
St. Mary's v DCU
Thursday February 12
UL v IT Carlow
UCD v GMIT
Has the semi finals been set?
I think it's:
UCC/Sligo v Carlow/UL
UCD/GMIT v DCU/Mary's.
CK, any white smoke from Croke park on this fiasco yet?
Yes fiasco over. ITS have been thrown out of Sigerson.
I can't comment any further as I'm probably the biggest critic of colleges with illegal players and I think Sigerson seriously needs cleaned up. If this is a step towards that then it'll be a good thing.
ITS and QUB both horsed out of it!! Joke. . .
Any college getting players in purely to play sigerson should have a serious look at themselves.
Any student going to college purely to play sigerson should have a serious look at themselves.
A good competition that could be played to a decent standard in the right spirit but seems to have lost its way amidst scholarships, desire to play at Intercounty level and packed squads of intercounty stars.
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Any college getting players in purely to play sigerson should have a serious look at themselves.
Any student going to college purely to play sigerson should have a serious look at themselves.
A good competition that could be played to a decent standard in the right spirit but seems to have lost its way amidst scholarships, desire to play at Intercounty level and packed squads of intercounty stars.
Fair point - the competition should only be for non-county players and try and give all colleges an equal playing field...give fringe players the chance to catch the eye of county managers...could be put in at a different date in the calendar....as it stands it is becoming a farce
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Quarter final fixtures
Wednesday, February 11
UCC v IT Sligo
St. Mary's v DCU
Thursday February 12
UL v IT Carlow
UCD v GMIT
Has the semi finals been set?
I think it's:
UCC/Sligo v Carlow/UL
UCD/GMIT v DCU/Mary's.
CK, any white smoke from Croke park on this fiasco yet?
Yes fiasco over. ITS have been thrown out of Sigerson.
I can't comment any further as I'm probably the biggest critic of colleges with illegal players and I think Sigerson seriously needs cleaned up. If this is a step towards that then it'll be a good thing.
ITS and QUB both horsed out of it!! Joke. . .
Queens complain that Sligo IT had ineligible player not realising they had three themselves. A joke is right.
Lol, well done Queens. You got what you deserved, but you managed to take ITS with you in your crusade of sour grapes.
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Lol, well done Queens. You got what you deserved, but you managed to take ITS with you in your crusade of sour grapes.
I can understand their complaint though if the rules were changed because of a QUB saab officer then its only right everyone else play by the same rule going forward. Similarly if they played ineligible players they should be out. I think though it goes to show that either clearly defined rules as to who can and who can't play need to be set out for all teams before the competition or all teams need to better familiarise themselves with the rules.
Sounds like both Colleges fucked up badly. Stranmillis College now have their own Football team and obviously the 3 lads were too good that Queens tried to snap them up and it bit them in the ass.
DRA anyone? I hope not!
Queens should be banned from the Sigerson next year instead of kicking them out now, when they are already out
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Sounds like both Colleges fucked up badly. Stranmillis College now have their own Football team and obviously the 3 lads were too good that Queens tried to snap them up and it bit them in the ass.
DRA anyone? I hope not!
Hopefully both IT Sligo and Queens will be too embarrassed to take this any further.
The competition is now officially a farce
Stranmillis is a stand alone club competiting in Div 3 football and in ladies competitions. It has the same rights and independence as St Mary's .
Queens lost this case before Christmas at the Higher Education Committee, then lost again at the Central Appeals Committee. Then went to the DRA and lost again. (Must have more money than sense)
Surely you are not suggesting that Queens can pick St Mary's students. Actually in the past before they had their own team Stranmillis students played for St Mary's, Stepen O Neill a good example.
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I can't get my head round why did Queens play the three players if as Stronghold says they'd already appealed the decision and lost on three occasions, surely they didn't think they'd get away with it.
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 05, 2015, 05:10:36 PM
Queens should be banned from the Sigerson next year instead of kicking them out now, when they are already out
Yeah when you look at it that way it's not exactly the harshest of punishments.
However I'd imagine you would have unmerciful moaning if this was done.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on February 05, 2015, 05:10:36 PM
Queens should be banned from the Sigerson next year instead of kicking them out now, when they are already out
Yeah when you look at it that way it's not exactly the harshest of punishments.
However I'd imagine you would have unmerciful moaning if this was done.
It's exactly what they have done to ITS.
Surely, as in all GAA teams/clubs, there is some sort of registration system for players?
The Chairman and secretary of a club is normally take full responsibility for this and they take the rap if there is an illegal or incorrectly registered player and they can get lengthy bans. Should the players be banned?
Does this not apply in this case of colleges? Given the importance of this competition, will this be pursued?
I'm not on a witchhunt but is it a case that college teams have no accountability and therefore they take the risks. If it was the case that players and officials had the threat of bans hanging over them, you'd see a lot of it cleaning itself up very quickly.
So the team that wouldn't play in the McKenna Cup in 2014 because county managers wouldn't follow the guidelines gets kicked out of the Sigerson for not following the rules!
In Al seriousness though these are educational establishments. The quest for glory over education does not look good.
Quote from: Bingo on February 05, 2015, 05:58:48 PM
Surely, as in all GAA teams/clubs, there is some sort of registration system for players?
The Chairman and secretary of a club is normally take full responsibility for this and they take the rap if there is an illegal or incorrectly registered player and they can get lengthy bans. Should the players be banned?
Does this not apply in this case of colleges? Given the importance of this competition, will this be pursued?
I'm not on a witchhunt but is it a case that college teams have no accountability and therefore they take the risks. If it was the case that players and officials had the threat of bans hanging over them, you'd see a lot of it cleaning itself up very quickly.
The same rules and sanctions under the official guide apply to all third level colleges, competitions, players and officials.
We will have to wait and see the detail of the Higher Education Council decision.
Stronghold, I repeat my direct question to you. Were all the Jordanstown players yesterday all full time students at Jordanstown?
Yes/No
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 05, 2015, 05:10:36 PM
Queens should be banned from the Sigerson next year instead of kicking them out now, when they are already out
Agree with this, and perhaps they still will. It should certainly be an option for council.
Well this is great for the image of third level GAA. ::)
I think it was very sloppy by whoever the GAA officer in IT Sligo is NOT to realise the rules regarding Sabbaticals...BUT, that being said, to be elected to the Students Union you do have to be a Full time student, which Doak clearly was, so in the scheme of things I feel it's a tad harsh on IT Sligo.
Queens on the other hand, look like right fools..kicking up a fuss when they had 3 illegal players themselves. Should get a 1 year ban from the competition IMO.
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Stranmillis is a stand alone club competiting in Div 3 football and in ladies competitions. It has the same rights and independence as St Mary's .
Queens lost this case before Christmas at the Higher Education Committee, then lost again at the Central Appeals Committee. Then went to the DRA and lost again. (Must have more money than sense)
Surely you are not suggesting that Queens can pick St Mary's students. Actually in the past before they had their own team Stranmillis students played for St Mary's, Stepen O Neill a good example.
I can't get my head round why did Queens play the three players if as Stronghold says they'd already appealed the decision and lost on three occasions, surely they didn't think they'd get away with it.
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And if that is not stupid enough, the draw more attention to themselves by reporting Sligo IT's transgressions!!!
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Queens should be banned from the Sigerson next year instead of kicking them out now, when they are already out
Agree with this, and perhaps they still will. It should certainly be an option for council.
Why? If Queen's hadn't been deemed to be in breech of the rules, they would have been re-instated. They have been punished for their transgression by not being allowed back in.
Taking the emotion out of it CK, I can't see why you think Queen's should get an extended ban when Sligo shouldn't. If the adjudication is upheld (assuming there will be appeals), the transgressions from both are equally stupid in my view.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 05, 2015, 08:09:10 PM
I think it was very sloppy by whoever the GAA officer in IT Sligo is NOT to realise the rules regarding Sabbaticals...BUT, that being said, to be elected to the Students Union you do have to be a Full time student, which Doak clearly was, so in the scheme of things I feel it's a tad harsh on IT Sligo.
Do you realise how contradictory and stupid that statement is? Are you training to be a C of E vicar?
Serious question Stronghold. How does player registration at UU work? Do students who get accepted to UU at Magee or UU at Coleraine get to play for UUJ if they want?
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on February 05, 2015, 08:29:38 PM
Serious question Stronghold. How does player registration at UU work? Do students who get accepted to UU at Magee or UU at Coleraine get to play for UUJ if they want?
When I was involved in Magee we had a few uuj boys who were doing their placement year in derry city and we were allowed to use them. This about 5 years ago
Player registeration in UU was based on the actual college that you were based in. One university but three different clubs.
The Magee situation never arose in my time there, so I don't know how that one worked out
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Quote from: rodney trotter on February 05, 2015, 05:10:36 PM
Queens should be banned from the Sigerson next year instead of kicking them out now, when they are already out
Agree with this, and perhaps they still will. It should certainly be an option for council.
Why? If Queen's hadn't been deemed to be in breech of the rules, they would have been re-instated. They have been punished for their transgression by not being allowed back in.
Taking the emotion out of it CK, I can't see why you think Queen's should get an extended ban when Sligo shouldn't. If the adjudication is upheld (assuming there will be appeals), the transgressions from both are equally stupid in my view.
How have Queen's suffered in this? ITS have been thrown out of a competition that they were in. Queen's were thrown out of a competition they were already out of. Hardly an equal punishment?
I fully understand Queen's objecting as I for one disagree wholeheartedly with what is happening in college football and it desperately needs a clean up. I don't see the punishment that Queen's got as a deterrent at all.
The players in question should suspended.
The College administrators should be suspended.
The colleges should get future bans in Sigerson.
Then we would we see a proper clean up. Based on how this has all been handled, let's face it we'll just see the same shi*t next year.
While I agree wholeheartedly that this is a bit of a farce I disagree on the list of suspensions you propose. I can understand the wish to ban teams in the future but a university team is more fluid than most and the innocent could be punished. The administrators should definitely be banned. I am less certain on the players. The players cannot be expected to keep up on the changing rules of university football administration. In the cases mentioned I would be surprised if it even entered their head that they were not eligible. To punish them now would only be a bully showing how hard he is.
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I think it was very sloppy by whoever the GAA officer in IT Sligo is NOT to realise the rules regarding Sabbaticals...BUT, that being said, to be elected to the Students Union you do have to be a Full time student, which Doak clearly was, so in the scheme of things I feel it's a tad harsh on IT Sligo.
Do you realise how contradictory and stupid that statement is? Are you training to be a C of E vicar?
Are you training to be Daily Mail journalist?
Doak, the IT Sligo player actually IS a Fulltime Student. Compared to some of the players of dubious eligibility in recent times, this is an administrative error, not a deliberate policy by Sligo..THAT is what I meant.
If this is too complex for your little mind to grasp I apologise.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on February 05, 2015, 05:10:36 PM
Queens should be banned from the Sigerson next year instead of kicking them out now, when they are already out
Agree with this, and perhaps they still will. It should certainly be an option for council.
Why? If Queen's hadn't been deemed to be in breech of the rules, they would have been re-instated. They have been punished for their transgression by not being allowed back in.
Taking the emotion out of it CK, I can't see why you think Queen's should get an extended ban when Sligo shouldn't. If the adjudication is upheld (assuming there will be appeals), the transgressions from both are equally stupid in my view.
How have Queen's suffered in this? ITS have been thrown out of a competition that they were in. Queen's were thrown out of a competition they were already out of. Hardly an equal punishment?
Nonsense. If Queen's were not found guilty of playing illegal players, would they still be in the competition? If the answer is yes, then they were not "already out of" [the competition]. If the answer is no, then you've lost the plot completely
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I fully understand Queen's objecting as I for one disagree wholeheartedly with what is happening in college football and it desperately needs a clean up.
so why so bitter towards Queen's?
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I don't see the punishment that Queen's got as a deterrent at all.
You may be right. But that is a whole different discussion. The GAA doesn't do "deterrent punishments" full stop.
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The players in question should suspended.
I have always had a problem with this. Perhaps if they were blatantly and knowingly flouting the rules, but most players just trust what the manager/club officials tell them. And not all eligibility questions are clear cut - look at the McKenna Cup
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The College administrators should be suspended.
Yes, I can see that in serious cases of dishonesty, but can you name one chairman or secretary who has been suspended for players deemed illegal? McKenna Cup...
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The colleges should get future bans in Sigerson.
I admire your plural but don't agree with the sentiment. I don't think future students should be punished - and I don't think it would hold up.
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Then we would we see a proper clean up. Based on how this has all been handled, let's face it we'll just see the same shi*t next year.
The sky hasn't fallen in. The sun will rise tomorrow. The GAA will continue to have rows over rules and eligibilities and conduct. And the cowboys will be a bit more circumspect about skirting the rules. And the cycle will begin again.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on February 05, 2015, 05:10:36 PM
Queens should be banned from the Sigerson next year instead of kicking them out now, when they are already out
Agree with this, and perhaps they still will. It should certainly be an option for council.
Why? If Queen's hadn't been deemed to be in breech of the rules, they would have been re-instated. They have been punished for their transgression by not being allowed back in.
Taking the emotion out of it CK, I can't see why you think Queen's should get an extended ban when Sligo shouldn't. If the adjudication is upheld (assuming there will be appeals), the transgressions from both are equally stupid in my view.
How have Queen's suffered in this? ITS have been thrown out of a competition that they were in. Queen's were thrown out of a competition they were already out of. Hardly an equal punishment?
I fully understand Queen's objecting as I for one disagree wholeheartedly with what is happening in college football and it desperately needs a clean up. I don't see the punishment that Queen's got as a deterrent at all.
The players in question should suspended.
The College administrators should be suspended.
The colleges should get future bans in Sigerson.
Then we would we see a proper clean up. Based on how this has all been handled, let's face it we'll just see the same shi*t next year.
But if Sligo were kicked out then Queens would have been re-instated had they not had illegal players. So they've both been kicked out.
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Quote from: Bingo on February 05, 2015, 05:58:48 PM
Surely, as in all GAA teams/clubs, there is some sort of registration system for players?
The Chairman and secretary of a club is normally take full responsibility for this and they take the rap if there is an illegal or incorrectly registered player and they can get lengthy bans. Should the players be banned?
Does this not apply in this case of colleges? Given the importance of this competition, will this be pursued?
I'm not on a witchhunt but is it a case that college teams have no accountability and therefore they take the risks. If it was the case that players and officials had the threat of bans hanging over them, you'd see a lot of it cleaning itself up very quickly.
The same rules and sanctions under the official guide apply to all third level colleges, competitions, players and officials.
We will have to wait and see the detail of the Higher Education Council decision.
So the illegal players are looking at 48 week bans just like Andrew Shore, the Wexford hurler?
The clean up should be straight forward,
Limit the eligibility rules to time period or actual courses ( e.g play a max of 5 years at college, or only apply to undergrad courses)
Freshers play fresher football only,
Only applies to Full time courses only
Student officers are illeligible
Clear guidelines for scholarship, (academic levels, number of scholarships permitted (for example, each club can only offer X scholoriships for the total club per year, financial assistance provided, centrally monitored by the HE in Croke Park HQ)
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I think it was very sloppy by whoever the GAA officer in IT Sligo is NOT to realise the rules regarding Sabbaticals...BUT, that being said, to be elected to the Students Union you do have to be a Full time student, which Doak clearly was, so in the scheme of things I feel it's a tad harsh on IT Sligo.
Do you realise how contradictory and stupid that statement is? Are you training to be a C of E vicar?
Are you training to be Daily Mail journalist?
Doak, the IT Sligo player actually IS a Fulltime Student. Compared to some of the players of dubious eligibility in recent times, this is an administrative error, not a deliberate policy by Sligo..THAT is what I meant.
If this is too complex for your little mind to grasp I apologise.
Of course he is - all sabbatical officers are students - that's what sabbatical means. Most (if not all?) are full time students. He is a legitimate student and sabbatical officer.
Sabbatical officers used to be allowed to play. A rule was introduced that they were ineligible. The rule is about their role - being a sabbatical officer. Whether they would otherwise be eligible is irrelevant. The "problem" wasn't that university clubs were bringing in brickies to be sabbatical officers in order to play football...
You said you thought Sligo sloppy in disregarding/being unaware of this rule, but then mused that you thought they were treated "a tad harsh" because their sabbatical officer was a full time student. Huh?
Quote from: stronghold on February 03, 2015, 12:56:56 PM
Stranmillis is a stand alone club competiting in Div 3 football and in ladies competitions. It has the same rights and independence as St Mary's .
Queens lost this case before Christmas at the Higher Education Committee, then lost again at the Central Appeals Committee. Then went to the DRA and lost again. (Must have more money than sense)
Surely you are not suggesting that Queens can pick St Mary's students. Actually in the past before they had their own team Stranmillis students played for St Mary's, Stepen O Neill a good example.
Help me out here Stronghold. I don't see any Queen's related decisions posted here (the latest one is from the end of October - after the Ryan Cup started):
http://www.sportsdra.ie/dradecisions.htm
Post a link up when it gets out of your head and into the real world Stronghold. There's a good lad.
It is obvious that neither college were trying to sneak the players in question through.
Occam's Razor...
- Sligo through ignorance and/or stupidity thought their sabattical officer was eligible.
- Queen's through pig-headedness believe Stranmillis students should continue to be allowed to play for them as they did last year and the years before that.
- Stronghold has an agenda and has been caught telling porkies. Again.
Ignorance, stupidity, and pig-headedness are founding principles of the GAA. Somebody put the kettle on.
Quote from: CSC on February 05, 2015, 09:07:51 PM
Player registeration in UU was based on the actual college that you were based in. One university but three different clubs.
The Magee situation never arose in my time there, so I don't know how that one worked out
That's cause we were shit and ages at a third tier level so they didn't give a buck. Plus no questions get asked that far down the tiers.
Sligo appealing on Monday. We'll see how it goes.
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Quote from: stronghold on February 03, 2015, 12:56:56 PM
Stranmillis is a stand alone club competiting in Div 3 football and in ladies competitions. It has the same rights and independence as St Mary's .
Queens lost this case before Christmas at the Higher Education Committee, then lost again at the Central Appeals Committee. Then went to the DRA and lost again. (Must have more money than sense)
Surely you are not suggesting that Queens can pick St Mary's students. Actually in the past before they had their own team Stranmillis students played for St Mary's, Stepen O Neill a good example.
Help me out here Stronghold. I don't see any Queen's related decisions posted here (the latest one is from the end of October - after the Ryan Cup started):
http://www.sportsdra.ie/dradecisions.htm
Post a link up when it gets out of your head and into the real world Stronghold. There's a good lad.
It is obvious that neither college were trying to sneak the players in question through.
Occam's Razor...
- Sligo through ignorance and/or stupidity thought their sabattical officer was eligible.
- Queen's through pig-headedness believe Stranmillis students should continue to be allowed to play for them as they did last year and the years before that.
- Stronghold has an agenda and has been caught telling porkies. Again.
Ignorance, stupidity, and pig-headedness are founding principles of the GAA. Somebody put the kettle on.
No porkies, No agenda, just facts. Queens went to CA , CAC and then the DRA before Christmas. The dicision must not be posted yet on the DRA site. All third level clubs in the Country where notified of this. Check it out yourself. I'll accept an apology later. By the way no Stranmillis player played for Queens until last year and not before.
Strong unequivocal assertions Stronghold...
Quote from: stronghold on February 06, 2015, 01:42:54 PM
Actually in the past before they had their own team Stranmillis students played for St Mary's, Stepen O Neill a good example.
Can you name a second or were you just exaggerating for effect?
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All third level clubs in the Country where notified of this. Check it out yourself.
Unlike yourself, obviously, I am not involved with any third level club, so I am relying on publicly available information.
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By the way no Stranmillis player played for Queens until last year and not before.
Are you sure? I only need one example to show you up as a liar or a fool with an agenda...
I thought Ryan Rafferty was a Stranmillis student for his 3 years at Queen's? I am sure you will correct me if I'm wrong or you will post up an apology.
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Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on February 06, 2015, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: stronghold on February 03, 2015, 12:56:56 PM
Stranmillis is a stand alone club competiting in Div 3 football and in ladies competitions. It has the same rights and independence as St Mary's .
Queens lost this case before Christmas at the Higher Education Committee, then lost again at the Central Appeals Committee. Then went to the DRA and lost again. (Must have more money than sense)
Surely you are not suggesting that Queens can pick St Mary's students. Actually in the past before they had their own team Stranmillis students played for St Mary's, Stepen O Neill a good example.
Help me out here Stronghold. I don't see any Queen's related decisions posted here (the latest one is from the end of October - after the Ryan Cup started):
http://www.sportsdra.ie/dradecisions.htm
Post a link up when it gets out of your head and into the real world Stronghold. There's a good lad.
It is obvious that neither college were trying to sneak the players in question through.
Occam's Razor...
- Sligo through ignorance and/or stupidity thought their sabattical officer was eligible.
- Queen's through pig-headedness believe Stranmillis students should continue to be allowed to play for them as they did last year and the years before that.
- Stronghold has an agenda and has been caught telling porkies. Again.
Ignorance, stupidity, and pig-headedness are founding principles of the GAA. Somebody put the kettle on.
No porkies, No agenda, just facts. Queens went to CA , CAC and then the DRA before Christmas. The dicision must not be posted yet on the DRA site. All third level clubs in the Country where notified of this. Check it out yourself. I'll accept an apology later. By the way no Stranmillis player played for Queens until last year and not before.
You're not studying English yourself then i take it.
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Strong unequivocal assertions Stronghold...
Quote from: stronghold on February 06, 2015, 01:42:54 PM
Actually in the past before they had their own team Stranmillis students played for St Mary's, Stepen O Neill a good example.
Can you name a second or were you just exaggerating for effect?
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All third level clubs in the Country where notified of this. Check it out yourself.
Unlike yourself, obviously, I am not involved with any third level club, so I am relying on publicly available information.
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By the way no Stranmillis player played for Queens until last year and not before.
Are you sure? I only need one example to show you up as a liar or a fool with an agenda...
I thought Ryan Rafferty was a Stranmillis student for his 3 years at Queen's? I am sure you will correct me if I'm wrong or you will post up an
For someone not involved in a third level club you seem to know a lot about players from Stranmillis playing for Queens. I do apologise. I did not know about Ryan Rafferty but if that is the case and I have no reason to doubt you did he have permission to play as per CA rules. Did anyone know he was a Stranmillis student. Remember up until they had their own club, students from Stranmillis had to apply for permission to play and could have played with St Mary's or Queens.
Quote from: stronghold on February 06, 2015, 01:42:54 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on February 06, 2015, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: stronghold on February 03, 2015, 12:56:56 PM
Stranmillis is a stand alone club competiting in Div 3 football and in ladies competitions. It has the same rights and independence as St Mary's .
Queens lost this case before Christmas at the Higher Education Committee, then lost again at the Central Appeals Committee. Then went to the DRA and lost again. (Must have more money than sense)
Surely you are not suggesting that Queens can pick St Mary's students. Actually in the past before they had their own team Stranmillis students played for St Mary's, Stepen O Neill a good example.
Help me out here Stronghold. I don't see any Queen's related decisions posted here (the latest one is from the end of October - after the Ryan Cup started):
http://www.sportsdra.ie/dradecisions.htm
Post a link up when it gets out of your head and into the real world Stronghold. There's a good lad.
It is obvious that neither college were trying to sneak the players in question through.
Occam's Razor...
- Sligo through ignorance and/or stupidity thought their sabattical officer was eligible.
- Queen's through pig-headedness believe Stranmillis students should continue to be allowed to play for them as they did last year and the years before that.
- Stronghold has an agenda and has been caught telling porkies. Again.
Ignorance, stupidity, and pig-headedness are founding principles of the GAA. Somebody put the kettle on.
No porkies, No agenda, just facts. Queens went to CA , CAC and then the DRA before Christmas. The dicision must not be posted yet on the DRA site. All third level clubs in the Country where notified of this. Check it out yourself. I'll accept an apology later. By the way no Stranmillis player played for Queens until last year and not before.
Stronghold, no harm to you but my experience of your posts in the past are lies, exaggeration and whataboutery.
My question to you remains (seeing as you claim to deal in facts) Are all of those UUJ players who lined out against DCU full time students at UUJ in 2014/15?
Yes/No
Quote from: stronghold on February 06, 2015, 03:18:09 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on February 06, 2015, 02:39:49 PM
Strong unequivocal assertions Stronghold...
Quote from: stronghold on February 06, 2015, 01:42:54 PM
Actually in the past before they had their own team Stranmillis students played for St Mary's, Stepen O Neill a good example.
Can you name a second or were you just exaggerating for effect?
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All third level clubs in the Country where notified of this. Check it out yourself.
Unlike yourself, obviously, I am not involved with any third level club, so I am relying on publicly available information.
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By the way no Stranmillis player played for Queens until last year and not before.
Are you sure? I only need one example to show you up as a liar or a fool with an agenda...
I thought Ryan Rafferty was a Stranmillis student for his 3 years at Queen's? I am sure you will correct me if I'm wrong or you will post up an
For someone not involved in a third level club you seem to know a lot about players from Stranmillis playing for Queens. I do apologise. I did not know about Ryan Rafferty but if that is the case and I have no reason to doubt you did he have permission to play as per CA rules. Did anyone know he was a Stranmillis student. Remember up until they had their own club, students from Stranmillis had to apply for permission to play and could have played with St Mary's or Queens.
So you are a fool with an agenda then Stronghold. You tried to dress up your propaganda as "fact". Your assertion.
Oh, and quoting one (possible) player is hardly "knowing a lot about players from Stranmillis playing for Queens". You're at your exaggerating again.
The world and his granny knew at the time and there was a rumour at the time that a certain (obvious) individual involved with the UUJ club tried his damnedest to get him ruled ineligible. But I only heard that third hand so I wouldn't want to misrepresent it as "fact".
I wonder is the Fitzgibbon Cup riddled with this bullcrap endless stream of ringers saga too? The Sigerson needs a serious clamp down, proper deterrants as mentioned before - teams banned from following year competition - would soon root it out
Stranmillis students should be allowed to play for QUB IMO. Its a heavily protestant teacher training college and if you scraped a team together you'd be very lucky. I've never known anyone complain about it before? It's been a common trend and in university circles in Belfast it has generally been accepted that students have the choice of QUB or St Marys to play third level football or hurling but 99.9% (never heard of anybody bar O'Neill playing for St Mary's) of those who choose to avail of this play for QUB as its not really seen as distinct from QUB as St Mary's is.
There is a lot worse 'bending the rules' than what QUB have been kicked out for and I was nearly positive it was previously authorised but maybe its not. QUB unlike UUJ and other Unis don't offer students 'elite athlete status' which allows them to be admitted into University with significantly lower grades than the general specification. Wouldn't be massively into Uni football as its a players competition but know the craic from being up there and I thought I'd defend QUB a bit as they're getting a fairly bad rap over this when they are probably one of the cleanest Universities in terms of the whole American style recruitment that goes on now.
Queens got less than they deserved. The sheer arrogance of them appealing the result on the grounds of a sabbatical officer when they had so many illegal players still amazes me. Did they think ITS would just sit back and not say a word as they tried to get them kicked out of the competition?
Quote from: Syferus on February 06, 2015, 11:08:15 PM
Queens got less than they deserved. The sheer arrogance of them appealing the result on the grounds of a sabbatical officer when they had so many illegal players still amazes me. Did they think ITS would just sit back and not say a word as they tried to get them kicked out of the competition?
Completely disagree Queens got the penalty they deserved and no less. The fact is ITS broke the rules Queens were correct to report that particularly considering that the rule was only changed recently and if rumour and allegation are to be believed was only changed because of Queen's use of sabbatical officers.
Similarly ITS were quite correct to report Queens and got the penalty they deserved too.
I used to love the Sigerson and would regularly have attended the weekends from back when my brothers were involved in the early 90's right though to a few years ago, but the scholarships and American style recruitment have taken a lot of the shine off the competition for me.
Quote from: TF15 on February 06, 2015, 11:02:39 PM
Stranmillis students should be allowed to play for QUB IMO. Its a heavily protestant teacher training college and if you scraped a team together you'd be very lucky. I've never known anyone complain about it before? It's been a common trend and in university circles in Belfast it has generally been accepted that students have the choice of QUB or St Marys to play third level football or hurling but 99.9% (never heard of anybody bar O'Neill playing for St Mary's) of those who choose to avail of this play for QUB as its not really seen as distinct from QUB as St Mary's is.
There is a lot worse 'bending the rules' than what QUB have been kicked out for and I was nearly positive it was previously authorised but maybe its not. QUB unlike UUJ and other Unis don't offer students 'elite athlete status' which allows them to be admitted into University with significantly lower grades than the general specification. Wouldn't be massively into Uni football as its a players competition but know the craic from being up there and I thought I'd defend QUB a bit as they're getting a fairly bad rap over this when they are probably one of the cleanest Universities in terms of the whole American style recruitment that goes on now.
That used to be the case but Stranmillis have their own team now so lads can't go deciding they want to play for Queens just because they're good!!
Both sides wrong and both out is the fairest result I can see!
ITSligo were guilty of a very genuine but admittedly a very stupid mistake whereas Queen's seemed to be fully aware of what they were doing but as a point of principle played their players as they believe them to be legal and have issue with the Stranmillis ruling based on the fact that Stranmillis is part of Queens and they hold QUB student cards. The fact that a GAA club has been set up in Stranmillis has made things very difficult for Queens.
Despite my ITS loyalties I personally believe both teams have received what they deserve however it would appear harsh when we see other colleges break rules year after year without any reprimand. It is for this reason I believe Sigerson cup days are numbered which is an awful shame.
Have either or both sides appealed?
My fear is that recruiting players from lesser colleges ie Stranmillis or so Marys etc. Could really dilute the value and prestige of qub as a university. If they are not careful they could be declassified to polytechnic level and there's a big kip out the road with that market cornered already.
Quote from: David McKeown on February 08, 2015, 04:43:47 PM
Have either or both sides appealed?
Sligo's appeal is Monday. Whatever chance they have Queens have more hope finding a time machine if they want to get back into the competition.
Quote from: ck on February 08, 2015, 01:59:07 PM
ITSligo were guilty of a very genuine but admittedly a very stupid mistake whereas Queen's seemed to be fully aware of what they were doing but as a point of principle played their players as they believe them to be legal and have issue with the Stranmillis ruling based on the fact that Stranmillis is part of Queens and they hold QUB student cards. The fact that a GAA club has been set up in Stranmillis has made things very difficult for Queens.
Despite my ITS loyalties I personally believe both teams have received what they deserve however it would appear harsh when we see other colleges break rules year after year without any reprimand. It is for this reason I believe Sigerson cup days are numbered which is an awful shame.
No they didn't. SU President is essentially being a pro footballer for a year. Universities football is now a joke. It ceased being a proper competition a long time ago. Just an arms race now.
Quote from: Syferus on February 08, 2015, 05:31:46 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on February 08, 2015, 04:43:47 PM
Have either or both sides appealed?
Sligo's appeal is Monday. Whatever chance they have Queens have more hope finding a time machine if they want to get back into the competition.
I don't think Queens should appeal to get back into the competition but they should certainly get clarification on the rules Going forward.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 08, 2015, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: ck on February 08, 2015, 01:59:07 PM
ITSligo were guilty of a very genuine but admittedly a very stupid mistake whereas Queen's seemed to be fully aware of what they were doing but as a point of principle played their players as they believe them to be legal and have issue with the Stranmillis ruling based on the fact that Stranmillis is part of Queens and they hold QUB student cards. The fact that a GAA club has been set up in Stranmillis has made things very difficult for Queens.
Despite my ITS loyalties I personally believe both teams have received what they deserve however it would appear harsh when we see other colleges break rules year after year without any reprimand. It is for this reason I believe Sigerson cup days are numbered which is an awful shame.
No they didn't. SU President is essentially being a pro footballer for a year. Universities football is now a joke. It ceased being a proper competition a long time ago. Just an arms race now.
In case it evaded your attention, a team of all genuine students from UCC won the competition last year.
The nature of third level these days means there will always be a few cases of dubious eligibility every now and then. It is still a fantastic competition and this stone-minded attitude of "Sigerson is a farce, end of" is just baffling to be honest.
A lad who has a full time job totally unrelated to football is as far from a pro footballer as you can get. As I said before, Doak was freshers manager last year and as well as that he was also vice-president of ITSSU. Hardly a hired gun in college for a jolly and to play Sigerson.
Ridiculous thing to say, Indiana.
Quote from: Syferus on February 08, 2015, 07:12:05 PM
A lad who has a full time job totally unrelated to football is as far from a pro footballer as you can get. As I said before, Doak was freshers manager last year and as well as that he was also vice-president of ITSSU. Hardly a hired gun in college for a jolly and to play Sigerson.
Ridiculous thing to say, Indiana.
So has he a full time job or is he a student??!!
Quote from: screenexile on February 08, 2015, 10:36:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 08, 2015, 07:12:05 PM
A lad who has a full time job totally unrelated to football is as far from a pro footballer as you can get. As I said before, Doak was freshers manager last year and as well as that he was also vice-president of ITSSU. Hardly a hired gun in college for a jolly and to play Sigerson.
Ridiculous thing to say, Indiana.
So has he a full time job or is he a student??!!
The whole idea of a sabbatical officer is that they are students that are temporarily delaying the rest of their studies to fulfil one of the major SU roles. I don't know what your point is but it seems to stem from misunderstanding what a sabbatical officer is - they have a full-time job but they are still a student.
Quote from: screenexile on February 08, 2015, 10:36:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 08, 2015, 07:12:05 PM
A lad who has a full time job totally unrelated to football is as far from a pro footballer as you can get. As I said before, Doak was freshers manager last year and as well as that he was also vice-president of ITSSU. Hardly a hired gun in college for a jolly and to play Sigerson.
Ridiculous thing to say, Indiana.
So has he a full time job or is he a student??!!
Both. Doak is our SU president. He was also Vice President last year. He is also in final year of a Pg diploma which is why our officers thought he was eligible. His sabbatical role meant he was ineligible.
Our appeal is being heard tomorrow night.
He's actively doing the course this year? That changes things. Can see a real case for it being over-turned. Sigerson team was training there Friday morning, I guess they have to keep preparing as if they're playing the UCC game.
Quote from: ck on February 08, 2015, 11:42:46 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 08, 2015, 10:36:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 08, 2015, 07:12:05 PM
A lad who has a full time job totally unrelated to football is as far from a pro footballer as you can get. As I said before, Doak was freshers manager last year and as well as that he was also vice-president of ITSSU. Hardly a hired gun in college for a jolly and to play Sigerson.
Ridiculous thing to say, Indiana.
So has he a full time job or is he a student??!!
Both. Doak is our SU president. He was also Vice President last year. He is also in final year of a Pg diploma which is why our officers thought he was eligible. His sabbatical role meant he was ineligible.
Our appeal is being heard tomorrow night.
"He is also in final year of a Pg [/b] diploma" This could potentially change things, as we could now be in the infamous gray area of the GAA rule book. I believe the spirit of the sabbatical rule was inspired by the famous QUB (& Antrim) "professional" sabbatical officer, who was an officer for a number of years and was playing Sigerson well into his 20's. If this guy is a student and sabbatical officer, then he should be eligible to play due to his studies (as long as this was not his 4th or 5th diploma.
Quote from: rrhf on February 08, 2015, 04:57:16 PM
My fear is that recruiting players from lesser colleges ie Stranmillis or so Marys etc. Could really dilute the value and prestige of qub as a university. If they are not careful they could be declassified to polytechnic level and there's a big kip out the road with that market cornered already.
Got to love this post. Classic QUB. Queens caught getting up to shenanigans, then try to deflect attention onto UUJ.
After all these years, QUB are still trying to find true north on the moral compass
Video: See Man of the Moment Jack McCaffrey run riot for UCD in the Sigerson Cup, scoring and making points. Big John Heslin isn't bad either and Athlone were unlucky when a shot crashed off the bar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VazH_PLWc7w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VazH_PLWc7w)
Quote from: INDIANA on February 08, 2015, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: ck on February 08, 2015, 01:59:07 PM
ITSligo were guilty of a very genuine but admittedly a very stupid mistake whereas Queen's seemed to be fully aware of what they were doing but as a point of principle played their players as they believe them to be legal and have issue with the Stranmillis ruling based on the fact that Stranmillis is part of Queens and they hold QUB student cards. The fact that a GAA club has been set up in Stranmillis has made things very difficult for Queens.
Despite my ITS loyalties I personally believe both teams have received what they deserve however it would appear harsh when we see other colleges break rules year after year without any reprimand. It is for this reason I believe Sigerson cup days are numbered which is an awful shame.
No they didn't. SU President is essentially being a pro footballer for a year. Universities football is now a joke. It ceased being a proper competition a long time ago. Just an arms race now.
+1
Its a very long season aswell, so much for stopping player burnout! It has gotten too big if ya ask me.
Quote from: Old yeller on February 09, 2015, 08:49:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 08, 2015, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: ck on February 08, 2015, 01:59:07 PM
ITSligo were guilty of a very genuine but admittedly a very stupid mistake whereas Queen's seemed to be fully aware of what they were doing but as a point of principle played their players as they believe them to be legal and have issue with the Stranmillis ruling based on the fact that Stranmillis is part of Queens and they hold QUB student cards. The fact that a GAA club has been set up in Stranmillis has made things very difficult for Queens.
Despite my ITS loyalties I personally believe both teams have received what they deserve however it would appear harsh when we see other colleges break rules year after year without any reprimand. It is for this reason I believe Sigerson cup days are numbered which is an awful shame.
No they didn't. SU President is essentially being a pro footballer for a year. Universities football is now a joke. It ceased being a proper competition a long time ago. Just an arms race now.
+1
Its a very long season aswell, so much for stopping player burnout! It has gotten too big if ya ask me.
"A very long season"??? The Sigerson started on January 27th this year and the final is February 21st...3rd level is NOT the problem when it comes to burnout.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 09, 2015, 09:57:01 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on February 09, 2015, 08:49:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 08, 2015, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: ck on February 08, 2015, 01:59:07 PM
ITSligo were guilty of a very genuine but admittedly a very stupid mistake whereas Queen's seemed to be fully aware of what they were doing but as a point of principle played their players as they believe them to be legal and have issue with the Stranmillis ruling based on the fact that Stranmillis is part of Queens and they hold QUB student cards. The fact that a GAA club has been set up in Stranmillis has made things very difficult for Queens.
Despite my ITS loyalties I personally believe both teams have received what they deserve however it would appear harsh when we see other colleges break rules year after year without any reprimand. It is for this reason I believe Sigerson cup days are numbered which is an awful shame.
No they didn't. SU President is essentially being a pro footballer for a year. Universities football is now a joke. It ceased being a proper competition a long time ago. Just an arms race now.
+1
Its a very long season aswell, so much for stopping player burnout! It has gotten too big if ya ask me.
"A very long season"??? The Sigerson started on January 27th this year and the final is February 21st...3rd level is NOT the problem when it comes to burnout.
Ryan Cup? Provincial pre season competitions as well don't forget. They don't just rock up for one month!!
The ITS appeal will be heard tonight in Croke Park
Quote from: ck on February 10, 2015, 10:12:44 AM
The ITS appeal will be heard tonight in Croke Park
Surely they aren't going to go ahead and have Sligo playing in Cork tomorrow if the appeal is successful? When will it be held in that case..Thursday/Friday?
Doubtful it will succeed anyway.
IT Sligo reinstated to the Independent.ie Sigerson Cup after appeal
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/it-sligo-reinstated-to-the-independentie-sigerson-cup-after-appeal-30982835.html
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 10, 2015, 07:34:28 PM
Quote from: ck on February 10, 2015, 10:12:44 AM
The ITS appeal will be heard tonight in Croke Park
Surely they aren't going to go ahead and have Sligo playing in Cork tomorrow if the appeal is successful? When will it be held in that case..Thursday/Friday?
Doubtful it will succeed anyway.
Yah really?
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 10, 2015, 07:34:28 PM
Quote from: ck on February 10, 2015, 10:12:44 AM
The ITS appeal will be heard tonight in Croke Park
Surely they aren't going to go ahead and have Sligo playing in Cork tomorrow if the appeal is successful? When will it be held in that case..Thursday/Friday?
Doubtful it will succeed anyway.
Thanks for confidence shown in us Ciarrai!
Good to see. If the rule wasn't in the rule book then ITS did nothing wrong. Just shows how incompetent the GAA can be some times though
Quote from: David McKeown on February 11, 2015, 09:15:06 AM
Good to see. If the rule wasn't in the rule book then ITS did nothing wrong. Just shows how incompetent the GAA can be some times though
Classic incompetent GAA. Make a rule ...and then forget to put it in the constitution ::)
I wondered why Stronghold - a man in the know - was quiet on this particular matter given that on the face of it, it should have been a clear-cut case.
Sligo are the cleverest (or luckiest) team left in the Sigerson. Good luck to them. They'll be like popcorn out of a hot pan bouncing onto the Mardyke on Friday! ;D
St Mary's v DCU today at 2 p.m in St Genevieve's High School in West Belfast.
It's where the old St Joseph's training college used to be.
Up past Casement on the left hand side.
Quote from: stronghold on February 06, 2015, 01:42:54 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on February 06, 2015, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: stronghold on February 03, 2015, 12:56:56 PM
Stranmillis is a stand alone club competiting in Div 3 football and in ladies competitions. It has the same rights and independence as St Mary's .
Queens lost this case before Christmas at the Higher Education Committee, then lost again at the Central Appeals Committee. Then went to the DRA and lost again. (Must have more money than sense)
Surely you are not suggesting that Queens can pick St Mary's students. Actually in the past before they had their own team Stranmillis students played for St Mary's, Stepen O Neill a good example.
Help me out here Stronghold. I don't see any Queen's related decisions posted here (the latest one is from the end of October - after the Ryan Cup started):
http://www.sportsdra.ie/dradecisions.htm
Post a link up when it gets out of your head and into the real world Stronghold. There's a good lad.
It is obvious that neither college were trying to sneak the players in question through.
Occam's Razor...
- Sligo through ignorance and/or stupidity thought their sabattical officer was eligible.
- Queen's through pig-headedness believe Stranmillis students should continue to be allowed to play for them as they did last year and the years before that.
- Stronghold has an agenda and has been caught telling porkies. Again.
Ignorance, stupidity, and pig-headedness are founding principles of the GAA. Somebody put the kettle on.
No porkies, No agenda, just facts. Queens went to CA , CAC and then the DRA before Christmas. The dicision must not be posted yet on the DRA site. All third level clubs in the Country where notified of this. Check it out yourself. I'll accept an apology later.
I am confused Stronghold. So the DRA - the pre-eminent and binding dispute authority in the GAA - ruled before Christmas that Stranmillis students were ineligible, but In February the lowly CAC turned this decision on its head and says the DRA were wrong and they are eligible?
Stronghold? Stronghold? Are you there Stronghold?
Can you put the pitch forks down now lads? You'll put somebody's eye out.
This is the GAA we all know and love. We're all part of the problem...
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 05, 2015, 04:31:55 PM
Queens complain that Sligo IT had ineligible player not realising they had three themselves. A joke is right.
Quote from: Syferus on February 05, 2015, 04:37:11 PM
Lol, well done Queens. You got what you deserved, but you managed to take ITS with you in your crusade of sour grapes.
Quote from: screenexile on February 05, 2015, 05:08:46 PM
Sounds like both Colleges fucked up badly. Stranmillis College now have their own Football team and obviously the 3 lads were too good that Queens tried to snap them up and it bit them in the ass.
DRA anyone? I hope not!
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 05, 2015, 05:10:36 PM
Queens should be banned from the Sigerson next year instead of kicking them out now, when they are already out
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 05, 2015, 05:13:44 PM
Hopefully both IT Sligo and Queens will be too embarrassed to take this any further.
Quote from: angermanagement on February 05, 2015, 05:15:41 PM
I can't get my head round why did Queens play the three players if as Stronghold says they'd already appealed the decision and lost on three occasions, surely they didn't think they'd get away with it.
Quote from: Bingo on February 05, 2015, 05:58:48 PM
I'm not on a witchhunt but is it a case that college teams have no accountability and therefore they take the risks. If it was the case that players and officials had the threat of bans hanging over them, you'd see a lot of it cleaning itself up very quickly.
Quote from: ck on February 05, 2015, 08:02:44 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 05, 2015, 05:10:36 PM
Queens should be banned from the Sigerson next year instead of kicking them out now, when they are already out
Agree with this, and perhaps they still will. It should certainly be an option for council.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 05, 2015, 08:09:10 PM
Queens on the other hand, look like right fools..kicking up a fuss when they had 3 illegal players themselves. Should get a 1 year ban from the competition IMO.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 05, 2015, 08:12:31 PM
And if that is not stupid enough, the draw more attention to themselves by reporting Sligo IT's transgressions!!!
Quote from: ck on February 05, 2015, 09:08:29 PM
I don't see the punishment that Queen's got as a deterrent at all.
The players in question should suspended.
The College administrators should be suspended.
The colleges should get future bans in Sigerson.
Quote from: johnneycool on February 05, 2015, 10:08:05 PM
So the illegal players are looking at 48 week bans just like Andrew Shore, the Wexford hurler?
Quote from: hardstation on February 05, 2015, 10:11:11 PM
Both teams should be banned for 2 years. Time to knock that shite on the head.
Quote from: tiempo on February 06, 2015, 10:41:54 PM
The Sigerson needs a serious clamp down, proper deterrants as mentioned before - teams banned from following year competition - would soon root it out
Quote from: Syferus on February 06, 2015, 11:08:15 PM
Queens got less than they deserved. The sheer arrogance of them appealing the result on the grounds of a sabbatical officer when they had so many illegal players still amazes me. Did they think ITS would just sit back and not say a word as they tried to get them kicked out of the competition?
Quote from: ck on February 08, 2015, 01:59:07 PM
It is for this reason I believe Sigerson cup days are numbered which is an awful shame.
Quote from: CSC on February 09, 2015, 03:52:04 PM
Got to love this post. Classic QUB. Queens caught getting up to shenanigans, then try to deflect attention onto UUJ.
After all these years, QUB are still trying to find true north on the moral compass
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on February 11, 2015, 10:50:09 AM
Can you put the pitch forks down now lads? You'll put somebody's eye out.
This is the GAA we all know and love. We're all part of the problem...
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 05, 2015, 04:31:55 PM
Queens complain that Sligo IT had ineligible player not realising they had three themselves. A joke is right.
Quote from: Syferus on February 05, 2015, 04:37:11 PM
Lol, well done Queens. You got what you deserved, but you managed to take ITS with you in your crusade of sour grapes.
Quote from: screenexile on February 05, 2015, 05:08:46 PM
Sounds like both Colleges fucked up badly. Stranmillis College now have their own Football team and obviously the 3 lads were too good that Queens tried to snap them up and it bit them in the ass.
DRA anyone? I hope not!
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 05, 2015, 05:10:36 PM
Queens should be banned from the Sigerson next year instead of kicking them out now, when they are already out
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 05, 2015, 05:13:44 PM
Hopefully both IT Sligo and Queens will be too embarrassed to take this any further.
Quote from: angermanagement on February 05, 2015, 05:15:41 PM
I can't get my head round why did Queens play the three players if as Stronghold says they'd already appealed the decision and lost on three occasions, surely they didn't think they'd get away with it.
Quote from: Bingo on February 05, 2015, 05:58:48 PM
I'm not on a witchhunt but is it a case that college teams have no accountability and therefore they take the risks. If it was the case that players and officials had the threat of bans hanging over them, you'd see a lot of it cleaning itself up very quickly.
Quote from: ck on February 05, 2015, 08:02:44 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 05, 2015, 05:10:36 PM
Queens should be banned from the Sigerson next year instead of kicking them out now, when they are already out
Agree with this, and perhaps they still will. It should certainly be an option for council.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 05, 2015, 08:09:10 PM
Queens on the other hand, look like right fools..kicking up a fuss when they had 3 illegal players themselves. Should get a 1 year ban from the competition IMO.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 05, 2015, 08:12:31 PM
And if that is not stupid enough, the draw more attention to themselves by reporting Sligo IT's transgressions!!!
Quote from: ck on February 05, 2015, 09:08:29 PM
I don't see the punishment that Queen's got as a deterrent at all.
The players in question should suspended.
The College administrators should be suspended.
The colleges should get future bans in Sigerson.
Quote from: johnneycool on February 05, 2015, 10:08:05 PM
So the illegal players are looking at 48 week bans just like Andrew Shore, the Wexford hurler?
Quote from: hardstation on February 05, 2015, 10:11:11 PM
Both teams should be banned for 2 years. Time to knock that shite on the head.
Quote from: tiempo on February 06, 2015, 10:41:54 PM
The Sigerson needs a serious clamp down, proper deterrants as mentioned before - teams banned from following year competition - would soon root it out
Quote from: Syferus on February 06, 2015, 11:08:15 PM
Queens got less than they deserved. The sheer arrogance of them appealing the result on the grounds of a sabbatical officer when they had so many illegal players still amazes me. Did they think ITS would just sit back and not say a word as they tried to get them kicked out of the competition?
Quote from: ck on February 08, 2015, 01:59:07 PM
It is for this reason I believe Sigerson cup days are numbered which is an awful shame.
Quote from: CSC on February 09, 2015, 03:52:04 PM
Got to love this post. Classic QUB. Queens caught getting up to shenanigans, then try to deflect attention onto UUJ.
After all these years, QUB are still trying to find true north on the moral compass
I made a pitch fork comment? Serious work on the quoting though, well done.
Lads in all honesty I did not see this one coming. I would say there are a few in Higher Education at Croke Park level scratching their heads this morning. These rulings have severe implications for the CA constitution. The ruling in relation to Queens/Stanmillis has opened a Pandora's box in relation to small affiliated colleges.
I also think we need to get the full text of the determination by CAC. The CA will either have to accept the rulings and move on or change the constitution again.
I can see a Fitzgibbon/Sigerson competition without County players in the future.
Quote from: stronghold on February 11, 2015, 11:09:18 AM
Lads in all honesty I did not see this one coming. I would say there are a few in Higher Education at Croke Park level scratching their heads this morning. These rulings have severe implications for the CA constitution. The ruling in relation to Queens/Stanmillis has opened a Pandora's box in relation to small affiliated colleges.
I also think we need to get the full text of the determination by CAC. The CA will either have to accept the rulings and move on or change the constitution again.
I can see a Fitzgibbon/Sigerson competition without County players in the future.
You're at your misinformation again Stronghold. Stranmillis is not an affiliated college (unlike St Mary's). You are stuck in a time-warp. Stranmillis University College is a fully integrated part of Queen's and has been for some time:
http://www.stran.ac.uk/informationabout/theuniversitycollege/
"The University College Education Strategy
When we adopted our new title in 1999, we became academically integrated with the main body of Queen's University. As a consequence,all of the features of the student experience within the University are also available to students in Stranmillis"
It would make as much (non)sense for the Queen's Faculty of Engineering to set up a football club...
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on February 11, 2015, 11:33:19 AM
Quote from: stronghold on February 11, 2015, 11:09:18 AM
Lads in all honesty I did not see this one coming. I would say there are a few in Higher Education at Croke Park level scratching their heads this morning. These rulings have severe implications for the CA constitution. The ruling in relation to Queens/Stanmillis has opened a Pandora's box in relation to small affiliated colleges.
I also think we need to get the full text of the determination by CAC. The CA will either have to accept the rulings and move on or change the constitution again.
I can see a Fitzgibbon/Sigerson competition without County players in the future.
You're at your misinformation again Stronghold. Stranmillis is not an affiliated college (unlike St Mary's). You are stuck in a time-warp. Stranmillis University College is a fully integrated part of Queen's and has been for some time:
http://www.stran.ac.uk/informationabout/theuniversitycollege/
"The University College Education Strategy
When we adopted our new title in 1999, we became academically integrated with the main body of Queen's University. As a consequence,all of the features of the student experience within the University are also available to students in Stranmillis"
It would make as much (non)sense for the Queen's Faculty of Engineering to set up a football club...
HE GAA FixturesWednesday 11 Feb 2015
Independent.ie HE GAA Corn Comhairle Ardoideachais 2015
Semi-Final
2 00 PM
Stranmillis UC GFC V
Mater Dei
Some here mightn't be aware of it, but this is an exact replica of the Mary Immaculate/UL split that happened in Limerick a few years ago.
Mary I is the teacher training college of UL, they get their degrees from UL, ID cards say UL etc..
They formed their own GAA club, became affiliated and players play for them and NOT UL in all 3rd level competition now.
Surprised at the IT Sligo reinstatement, but at least matters on the field can take over now hopefully and that will be the end of it.
As Stronghold says, correctly, this does not reflect very well on the CA. Throwing out a team for breaking a certain rule..only for it to be discovered they didn't put the rule into the current CA constitution? ::)
Shoddy, shoddy workmanship.
sorry I'm only asking the question. Is St Mary's not a college of Queens.
http://www.stmarys-belfast.ac.uk/
The situation does need clarified right across the Country. DCU/Drumcondra, UL/Mary I. etc. It appears to me to be a minefield for someone to sort
Quote from: stronghold on February 11, 2015, 11:57:31 AM
sorry I'm only asking the question. Is St Mary's not a college of Queens.
http://www.stmarys-belfast.ac.uk/
The situation does need clarified right across the Country. DCU/Drumcondra, UL/Mary I. etc. It appears to me to be a minefield for someone to sort
See bit added to end of my post above Stronghold. MaryI/UL and St. Pats/DCU are all clearcut and sorted as far as I can see. They are separately affiliated clubs under CA even though they may be academically affiliated to UL/DCU.
The Ranch are clearly separate, which is obvious..but it would appear this Stranmillis situation is the last "blurred line" so to speak.
Quote from: stronghold on February 11, 2015, 11:57:31 AM
sorry I'm only asking the question. Is St Mary's not a college of Queens.
http://www.stmarys-belfast.ac.uk/
The situation does need clarified right across the Country. DCU/Drumcondra, UL/Mary I. etc. It appears to me to be a minefield for someone to sort
And what about your beloved Jordanstown Stronghold? Will you answer my questions I have now posed 3 times?
Q: Are all those who lined out for Jordanstown in Sigerson this year full time students at Jordanstown? Yes/No
Quote from: ck on February 11, 2015, 12:06:03 PM
Quote from: stronghold on February 11, 2015, 11:57:31 AM
sorry I'm only asking the question. Is St Mary's not a college of Queens.
http://www.stmarys-belfast.ac.uk/
The situation does need clarified right across the Country. DCU/Drumcondra, UL/Mary I. etc. It appears to me to be a minefield for someone to sort
And what about your beloved Jordanstown Stronghold? Will you answer my questions I have now posed 3 times?
Q: Are all those who lined out for Jordanstown in Sigerson this year full time students at Jordanstown? Yes/No
CK In my opinion 100% yes, that is even before the rulings last night which change things. That is why this has to be sorted.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 11, 2015, 12:03:10 PM
Quote from: stronghold on February 11, 2015, 11:57:31 AM
sorry I'm only asking the question. Is St Mary's not a college of Queens.
http://www.stmarys-belfast.ac.uk/
The situation does need clarified right across the Country. DCU/Drumcondra, UL/Mary I. etc. It appears to me to be a minefield for someone to sort
See bit added to end of my post above Stronghold. MaryI/UL and St. Pats/DCU are all clearcut and sorted as far as I can see. They are separately affiliated clubs under CA even though they may be academically affiliated to UL/DCU.
The Ranch are clearly separate, which is obvious..but it would appear this Stranmillis situation is the last "blurred line" so to speak.
The Queens hurlers regularly have lads who are attending St Marys play for them, so not sure how 'clearly separate' they are!
Quote from: johnneycool on February 11, 2015, 01:14:19 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 11, 2015, 12:03:10 PM
Quote from: stronghold on February 11, 2015, 11:57:31 AM
sorry I'm only asking the question. Is St Mary's not a college of Queens.
http://www.stmarys-belfast.ac.uk/
The situation does need clarified right across the Country. DCU/Drumcondra, UL/Mary I. etc. It appears to me to be a minefield for someone to sort
See bit added to end of my post above Stronghold. MaryI/UL and St. Pats/DCU are all clearcut and sorted as far as I can see. They are separately affiliated clubs under CA even though they may be academically affiliated to UL/DCU.
The Ranch are clearly separate, which is obvious..but it would appear this Stranmillis situation is the last "blurred line" so to speak.
The Queens hurlers regularly have lads who are attending St Marys play for them, so not sure how 'clearly separate' they are!
This is a football discussion, obviously what goes on in hurling may be different.
Mary I and St Pats Drumcondra both have fairly decent hurling teams, so this would be an issue again, unique to the Ulster colleges. If Ranch don't have a hurling team, then I'd imagine their students are eligible to play for QUB.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 11, 2015, 01:24:43 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 11, 2015, 01:14:19 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 11, 2015, 12:03:10 PM
Quote from: stronghold on February 11, 2015, 11:57:31 AM
sorry I'm only asking the question. Is St Mary's not a college of Queens.
http://www.stmarys-belfast.ac.uk/
The situation does need clarified right across the Country. DCU/Drumcondra, UL/Mary I. etc. It appears to me to be a minefield for someone to sort
See bit added to end of my post above Stronghold. MaryI/UL and St. Pats/DCU are all clearcut and sorted as far as I can see. They are separately affiliated clubs under CA even though they may be academically affiliated to UL/DCU.
The Ranch are clearly separate, which is obvious..but it would appear this Stranmillis situation is the last "blurred line" so to speak.
The Queens hurlers regularly have lads who are attending St Marys play for them, so not sure how 'clearly separate' they are!
This is a football discussion, obviously what goes on in hurling may be different.
Mary I and St Pats Drumcondra both have fairly decent hurling teams, so this would be an issue again, unique to the Ulster colleges. If Ranch don't have a hurling team, then I'd imagine their students are eligible to play for QUB.
Sorry for impinging on your football discussion, but I'd have thought eligibility criteria would have been the same across all codes, no?
Quote from: johnneycool on February 11, 2015, 01:36:00 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 11, 2015, 01:24:43 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 11, 2015, 01:14:19 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 11, 2015, 12:03:10 PM
Quote from: stronghold on February 11, 2015, 11:57:31 AM
sorry I'm only asking the question. Is St Mary's not a college of Queens.
http://www.stmarys-belfast.ac.uk/
The situation does need clarified right across the Country. DCU/Drumcondra, UL/Mary I. etc. It appears to me to be a minefield for someone to sort
See bit added to end of my post above Stronghold. MaryI/UL and St. Pats/DCU are all clearcut and sorted as far as I can see. They are separately affiliated clubs under CA even though they may be academically affiliated to UL/DCU.
The Ranch are clearly separate, which is obvious..but it would appear this Stranmillis situation is the last "blurred line" so to speak.
The Queens hurlers regularly have lads who are attending St Marys play for them, so not sure how 'clearly separate' they are!
This is a football discussion, obviously what goes on in hurling may be different.
Mary I and St Pats Drumcondra both have fairly decent hurling teams, so this would be an issue again, unique to the Ulster colleges. If Ranch don't have a hurling team, then I'd imagine their students are eligible to play for QUB.
Sorry for impinging on your football discussion, but I'd have thought eligibility criteria would have been the same across all codes, no?
How can it be the same if certain colleges don't play certain sports? This is one tiny issue that only arises with QUB/Mary's/Stranmillis anyway as I said because Mary I and Pats both have Football and Hurling teams.
Quote from: stronghold on February 11, 2015, 12:27:28 PM
Quote from: ck on February 11, 2015, 12:06:03 PM
Quote from: stronghold on February 11, 2015, 11:57:31 AM
sorry I'm only asking the question. Is St Mary's not a college of Queens.
http://www.stmarys-belfast.ac.uk/
The situation does need clarified right across the Country. DCU/Drumcondra, UL/Mary I. etc. It appears to me to be a minefield for someone to sort
And what about your beloved Jordanstown Stronghold? Will you answer my questions I have now posed 3 times?
Q: Are all those who lined out for Jordanstown in Sigerson this year full time students at Jordanstown? Yes/No
CK In my opinion 100% yes, that is even before the rulings last night which change things. That is why this has to be sorted.
Thanks for reply. I had it on good authority that Jordanstown had players playing from Magee in Derry and Coleraine last year and this year. Looks like this ruling may save your bacon from an embarrassing situation?
St Marys leading 8pts to 3 against DCU.
They will be playing with 14 men in second half, Jerome Johnson of Down got a straight red.
A shock result likely? Playing against 14 men should help DCU.
It should do, Paddy Tally will have St Marys well set up I'd say in the second half with 14 men
DCU and St Marys played in the Ryan Cup final before christmas, so would be familiar enough.
what did jerome do?
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 11, 2015, 02:48:16 PM
It should do, Paddy Tally will have St Marys well set up I'd say in the second half with 14 men
DCU and St Marys played in the Ryan Cup final before christmas, so would be familiar enough.
Ya DCU won that final by 5 pts.
Closer now, St Marys 0-9 DCU 1-5
level, 9pts to 1-6.. 5 minutes left.
St Marys go ahead by 1, not long left
lead didn't last long, 10pts to 1-7. full time. extra time to be played
Restored to 15 men for extra time?
Yep
half time in extra time., 11pts to 1-8
Quote from: ck on February 11, 2015, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: stronghold on February 11, 2015, 12:27:28 PM
Quote from: ck on February 11, 2015, 12:06:03 PM
Quote from: stronghold on February 11, 2015, 11:57:31 AM
sorry I'm only asking the question. Is St Mary's not a college of Queens.
http://www.stmarys-belfast.ac.uk/
The situation does need clarified right across the Country. DCU/Drumcondra, UL/Mary I. etc. It appears to me to be a minefield for someone to sort
And what about your beloved Jordanstown Stronghold? Will you answer my questions I have now posed 3 times?
Q: Are all those who lined out for Jordanstown in Sigerson this year full time students at Jordanstown? Yes/No
CK In my opinion 100% yes, that is even before the rulings last night which change things. That is why this has to be sorted.
Thanks for reply. I had it on good authority that Jordanstown had players playing from Magee in Derry and Coleraine last year and this year. Looks like this ruling may save your bacon from an embarrassing situation?
The only way that we could have Magee or Coleraine players is if they were actually UUJ players who were placed in the colleges during their placement year.
There is a seperate UU Magee and Coleraine teams, and during my time there, there was never any question of recruiting from team, as 1) they were stand alone clubs, and 2), the physical distance between the colleges would obviously create issues.
DCU win by 3, 1-11 to 11
Anyone have the team sheets?
http://queens.gaa.ie/2015/02/11/queens-welcome-appeal-decision-on-stranmillis-issue/
Here's the 3 points scored in extra-time by DCU and a last-gasp attempt by St Mary's to score a goal...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1cvK1PkvRs
Comhairle Ardoideachais (CA) would like to clarify the implications of the decisions of the Central Appeals Committee (CAC) last evening, as there have been considerable inaccuracies in some media reports with regard to the appeals arising from the Independent.ie HE GAA Sigerson Cup fixture on 28.01.14 between Queens University GAA Club and IT Sligo GAA Club.
IT Sligo's Stephen Doak was deemed to be eligible to play for the club as, in the view of the CAC, he satisfied all the criteria of being a full-time student due to his ongoing studies. He also performs the role of Student Union President. CA reconfirms that full-time paid Student Union Officers, who are not full time students, are not eligible to play in CA competitions.
The ruling of the CAC in relation to the students of Stranmillis University College now permits the students in question to play for Queen's. CA were of the view that a separate Stranmillis club has been in existence and affiliated to CA for the past two academic years and that these students were only entitled to play for the Stranmillis GAA Club.
While accepting the decisions of the CAC in these cases with respect to the 2015 Independent.ie Sigerson Cup, the long-term implications of these decisions will be considered by CA at a later date, and any proposed changes to the CA Constitution & Bye-Laws arising from these decisions will be brought as motions before all Higher Education Clubs to consider and vote on at the Annual Convention in April.
Quote from: Bojangles on February 11, 2015, 04:30:14 PM
Anyone have the team sheets?
DCU
1. Tadgh Lowe (Boyle, Roscommon)
2. Jack Smith (Skerries Harps, Dublin)
3. Conor Boyle (Clontibret, Monaghan)
4. Conor Daly (Padraig Pearses, Roscommon)
5. Dessie Ward (Ballybay, Monaghan)
6. Conor Moynagh (Drumgoon, Cavan)
7. Colm Begley (Laois)
8. Tom Flynn (Athenry, Galway)
9. Steven O'Brien (Ballina, Tipperary)
10. Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber, Mayo)
11. Conor Meredith (O'Dempsey's, Laois)
12. Davy Byrne (Ballymun Kickhams, Dublin)
13. Enda Smith (Boyle, Roscommon)
14. Niall Murphy (Coolera-Strandhill, Sligo)
15. Conor McHugh (Na Fianna, Dublin)
Subs
Rory Connor (Kenagh, Longford) for Boyle (20)
Conor McGraynor (Avondale, Wicklow) for O'Connor (half-time)
Donal Wrynn (Fenagh, Leitrim) for Murphy (half-time)
Donal Smith (Boyle, Roscommon) for Ward (43)
Shane Carey (Monaghan) for Meredith (45)
Simon McCoy (Armagh) for E Smith (55)
Fintan Kelly (Castlerea St Kevin's, Roscommon) for Flynn (64)
Eoin Keane (The Heath, Laois) for Byrne (77)
ST MARY'S
1. Rory Burns (Castlewellan, Down)
2. Aaron Beattie (Newry Bosco, Down)
3. Conor Clarke (Omagh, Tyrone)
4. Harry Loughran (Moy, Tyrone)
5. Paddy McBride (St John's, Antrim)
6. Aidan Forker (Maghery, Armagh)
7. Ciaran McCooey (Cullyhanna, Armagh)
8. Danny McBride (Strabane, Tyrone)
9. Emmett Bradley (Watty Grahams, Derry)
10. Jerome Johnston (Kilcoo, Down)
11. Kieran McGeary (Pomeroy, Tyrone)
12. Ryan Johnston (Kilcoo, Down)
13. Kevin McKernan (Burren, Down)
14. Matthew Fitzpatrick (St. John's, Antrim)
15. Tommy Canavan (Errigal Ciaran, Tyrone)
Subs
James Morgan (Crossmaglen, Armagh) for Beattie (20)
Neil McNicholl (Glenullin, Derry) for Canavan (44)
Conal McCann (Killyclogher, Tyrone) for Loughran (49)
B O'Hagan (Down) for Fitzpatrick (59)
Tommy Canavan (Errigal Ciaran, Tyrone) for McNicholl (59)
Quote from: stronghold on February 11, 2015, 06:46:21 PM
Comhairle Ardoideachais (CA) would like to clarify the implications of the decisions of the Central Appeals Committee (CAC) last evening, as there have been considerable inaccuracies in some media reports with regard to the appeals arising from the Independent.ie HE GAA Sigerson Cup fixture on 28.01.14 between Queens University GAA Club and IT Sligo GAA Club.
IT Sligo's Stephen Doak was deemed to be eligible to play for the club as, in the view of the CAC, he satisfied all the criteria of being a full-time student due to his ongoing studies. He also performs the role of Student Union President. CA reconfirms that full-time paid Student Union Officers, who are not full time students, are not eligible to play in CA competitions.
The ruling of the CAC in relation to the students of Stranmillis University College now permits the students in question to play for Queen's. CA were of the view that a separate Stranmillis club has been in existence and affiliated to CA for the past two academic years and that these students were only entitled to play for the Stranmillis GAA Club.
While accepting the decisions of the CAC in these cases with respect to the 2015 Independent.ie Sigerson Cup, the long-term implications of these decisions will be considered by CA at a later date, and any proposed changes to the CA Constitution & Bye-Laws arising from these decisions will be brought as motions before all Higher Education Clubs to consider and vote on at the Annual Convention in April.
So basically it'll all be on the table in April and new rules will be agreed? Does this mean that the ITS and Queens rulings may be short lived?
Video: See 7 minutes of best bits from a terrific Sigerson game today in Belfast: St Mary's 0-11 DCU 1-11.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXQ4Dn0SLVs
There was a red card for Ryan Johnston 3 mins into the video, which was a big point in the game. St Mary's were well on top at the time. See it for yourself.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 08, 2015, 07:04:14 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 08, 2015, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: ck on February 08, 2015, 01:59:07 PM
ITSligo were guilty of a very genuine but admittedly a very stupid mistake whereas Queen's seemed to be fully aware of what they were doing but as a point of principle played their players as they believe them to be legal and have issue with the Stranmillis ruling based on the fact that Stranmillis is part of Queens and they hold QUB student cards. The fact that a GAA club has been set up in Stranmillis has made things very difficult for Queens.
Despite my ITS loyalties I personally believe both teams have received what they deserve however it would appear harsh when we see other colleges break rules year after year without any reprimand. It is for this reason I believe Sigerson cup days are numbered which is an awful shame.
No they didn't. SU President is essentially being a pro footballer for a year. Universities football is now a joke. It ceased being a proper competition a long time ago. Just an arms race now.
In case it evaded your attention, a team of all genuine students from UCC won the competition last year.
The nature of third level these days means there will always be a few cases of dubious eligibility every now and then. It is still a fantastic competition and this stone-minded attitude of "Sigerson is a farce, end of" is just baffling to be honest.
Its a joke of a competition that's long past it's sell by date as the top 3/4 colleges use any means necessary to sign up the country's best players on mickey mouse courses.
Nothing baffling about the truth
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Quote from: ck on February 08, 2015, 01:59:07 PM
ITSligo were guilty of a very genuine but admittedly a very stupid mistake whereas Queen's seemed to be fully aware of what they were doing but as a point of principle played their players as they believe them to be legal and have issue with the Stranmillis ruling based on the fact that Stranmillis is part of Queens and they hold QUB student cards. The fact that a GAA club has been set up in Stranmillis has made things very difficult for Queens.
Despite my ITS loyalties I personally believe both teams have received what they deserve however it would appear harsh when we see other colleges break rules year after year without any reprimand. It is for this reason I believe Sigerson cup days are numbered which is an awful shame.
No they didn't. SU President is essentially being a pro footballer for a year. Universities football is now a joke. It ceased being a proper competition a long time ago. Just an arms race now.
In case it evaded your attention, a team of all genuine students from UCC won the competition last year.
The nature of third level these days means there will always be a few cases of dubious eligibility every now and then. It is still a fantastic competition and this stone-minded attitude of "Sigerson is a farce, end of" is just baffling to be honest.
Its a joke of a competition that's long past it's sell by date as the top 3/4 colleges use any means necessary to sign up the country's best players on mickey mouse courses.
Nothing baffling about the truth
;D
God you are clueless! What Mickey Mouse courses are/were the UCC team that won it last year doing tell me? Or say DCU who are looking good to go all the way this year..what Mickey Mouse courses are they doing?
Anybody calling the Sigerson a "Joke" of a competition is pig ignorant or knows zero about Gaelic Football..or both!
UCD beat GMIT
Carlow IT beat UL
Sigerson weekend semi finals
UCD V DCU
ITS/UCC V CIT
Quote from: ck on February 12, 2015, 06:23:55 PM
UCD beat GMIT
Carlow IT beat UL
Sigerson weekend semi finals
UCD V DCU
UCC V CIT
Have Sligo been put out again CK ;D
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Quote from: ck on February 08, 2015, 01:59:07 PM
ITSligo were guilty of a very genuine but admittedly a very stupid mistake whereas Queen's seemed to be fully aware of what they were doing but as a point of principle played their players as they believe them to be legal and have issue with the Stranmillis ruling based on the fact that Stranmillis is part of Queens and they hold QUB student cards. The fact that a GAA club has been set up in Stranmillis has made things very difficult for Queens.
Despite my ITS loyalties I personally believe both teams have received what they deserve however it would appear harsh when we see other colleges break rules year after year without any reprimand. It is for this reason I believe Sigerson cup days are numbered which is an awful shame.
No they didn't. SU President is essentially being a pro footballer for a year. Universities football is now a joke. It ceased being a proper competition a long time ago. Just an arms race now.
In case it evaded your attention, a team of all genuine students from UCC won the competition last year.
The nature of third level these days means there will always be a few cases of dubious eligibility every now and then. It is still a fantastic competition and this stone-minded attitude of "Sigerson is a farce, end of" is just baffling to be honest.
Its a joke of a competition that's long past it's sell by date as the top 3/4 colleges use any means necessary to sign up the country's best players on mickey mouse courses.
Nothing baffling about the truth
;D
God you are clueless! What Mickey Mouse courses are/were the UCC team that won it last year doing tell me? Or say DCU who are looking good to go all the way this year..what Mickey Mouse courses are they doing?
Anybody calling the Sigerson a "Joke" of a competition is pig ignorant or knows zero about Gaelic Football..or both!
It's someone on the ground who knows the score. Unfortunately you're like Duffy and O Neill. Out of touch with reality my dear friend.
DCU have had Sigerson Cup winners in recent years who didn't even pass the LC.
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Quote from: INDIANA on February 08, 2015, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: ck on February 08, 2015, 01:59:07 PM
ITSligo were guilty of a very genuine but admittedly a very stupid mistake whereas Queen's seemed to be fully aware of what they were doing but as a point of principle played their players as they believe them to be legal and have issue with the Stranmillis ruling based on the fact that Stranmillis is part of Queens and they hold QUB student cards. The fact that a GAA club has been set up in Stranmillis has made things very difficult for Queens.
Despite my ITS loyalties I personally believe both teams have received what they deserve however it would appear harsh when we see other colleges break rules year after year without any reprimand. It is for this reason I believe Sigerson cup days are numbered which is an awful shame.
No they didn't. SU President is essentially being a pro footballer for a year. Universities football is now a joke. It ceased being a proper competition a long time ago. Just an arms race now.
In case it evaded your attention, a team of all genuine students from UCC won the competition last year.
The nature of third level these days means there will always be a few cases of dubious eligibility every now and then. It is still a fantastic competition and this stone-minded attitude of "Sigerson is a farce, end of" is just baffling to be honest.
Its a joke of a competition that's long past it's sell by date as the top 3/4 colleges use any means necessary to sign up the country's best players on mickey mouse courses.
Nothing baffling about the truth
;D
God you are clueless! What Mickey Mouse courses are/were the UCC team that won it last year doing tell me? Or say DCU who are looking good to go all the way this year..what Mickey Mouse courses are they doing?
Anybody calling the Sigerson a "Joke" of a competition is pig ignorant or knows zero about Gaelic Football..or both!
It's someone on the ground who knows the score. Unfortunately you're like Duffy and O Neill. Out of touch with reality my dear friend.
DCU have had Sigerson Cup winners in recent years who didn't even pass the LC.
Typically shallow argument..I asked you a simple direct question about the current Sigerson champions and you ignore me and skip back a few years. ::)
"Sigerson is a joke of a competition that is past its sell by date"...If you have watched last years games and watch this years games and stand over that statement, then I'm afraid it is you, not me, who is out of touch with reality.
To be fair Ciarrai UCC were an anomaly in the perspective of the last decade or so. There is a rotten core in the Sigerson right now and until it's corrected the competition will operate under a cloud of suspicion and derision.
Quote from: Syferus on February 12, 2015, 08:33:13 PM
To be fair Ciarrai UCC were an anomaly in the perspective of the last decade or so. There is a rotten core in the Sigerson right now and until it's corrected the competition will operate under a cloud of suspicion and derision.
I've no problem admitting there's been a suspicion of illegality about some teams, but the DIT team who won 2 years ago for example..who was "dodgy" out of that group would you say?
I know there was a lot of talk about the UUJ team last year and some of the DCU players that won a couple of titles, but I think a lot of it was down to the age of some of the players. Bryan Cullen must've been 30 and playing Sigerson at one stage for example. If they put a cap of 25 on it or something maybe it wouldn't be the worst idea. There is the 2 course/6 year limit in place now so I don't see a lot of scope for abuse.
To be quite fair, I'm here arguing in favour of the Sigerson, but the worst case of all was Tralee back in the 90s..there were several fellas that won 2/3 titles back then that never saw the inside of the college. :-\
Anyway, as Syf points out, UCC are a real college team with a great manager and play good football aswell. Hoping to mitch off work to watch them tomorrow again.
Quote from: Any craic on February 11, 2015, 10:56:59 PM
There was a red card for Ryan Johnston 3 mins into the video, which was a big point in the game. St Mary's were well on top at the time. See it for yourself.
Can't really see why Johnson got the line for that
Brian Cullen was last in DCU in 2010 when they won their second Sigerson, he will be 31 this year so wouldn't have been him that was nearly 30.
Colm Begley will be 29 this year and still in DCU, although he spent a 3 years or so in Australia playig AFL, so was late starting.
Quote from: Syferus on February 12, 2015, 06:30:06 PM
Quote from: ck on February 12, 2015, 06:23:55 PM
UCD beat GMIT
Carlow IT beat UL
Sigerson weekend semi finals
UCD V DCU
UCC V CIT
Have Sligo been put out again CK ;D
ITS/UCC v ITC
We may pull off a shock tomorrow! Up against it big style but nothing to loose
Quote from: ck on February 12, 2015, 10:12:32 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 12, 2015, 06:30:06 PM
Quote from: ck on February 12, 2015, 06:23:55 PM
UCD beat GMIT
Carlow IT beat UL
Sigerson weekend semi finals
UCD V DCU
UCC V CIT
Have Sligo been put out again CK ;D
ITS/UCC v ITC
We may pull off a shock tomorrow! Up against it big style but nothing to loose
Would be quite a shock alright, but you never know..Cup football is all about on a given day!
Half time UCC 0-7 IT Sligo 0-4.
Full time UCC 0-13 IT Sligo 0-8
What I expected, but at least ITS went out of the competition the right way and not the wrong way. Looking like a DCU-UCC final to me.
Yeah probably a predictable result but ITS gave great account of themselves apparently but beaten by a far superior team.
DCU won't have it easy over UCD but should come through. DCU UCC final with DCU to win
UCC are hosting the Sigerson so will be eager to retain it. Paul Geaney wasn't playing today,
They have alot of key players from last years team still there, Tom Clancy, Ian Maguire,Conor Dorman, Conor Cox,
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 13, 2015, 05:41:45 PM
UCC are hosting the Sigerson so will be eager to retain it. Paul Geaney wasn't playing today,
They have alot of key players from last years team still there, Tom Clancy, Ian Maguire,Conor Dorman, Conor Cox,
They should win their semi final pulling up while the other two will likely have to fight tooth and nail. UCC also have the best manager of the four teams left.
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 13, 2015, 05:41:45 PM
UCC are hosting the Sigerson so will be eager to retain it. Paul Geaney wasn't playing today,
They have alot of key players from last years team still there, Tom Clancy, Ian Maguire,Conor Dorman, Conor Cox,
Yeah UCC are always strong in fairness but they remain untested this year. I can tell you that this years ITS team is the weakest we've had for a few years and we stuck with UCC today. I don't see UCC winning when they get a real test like DCU or even UCD.
IT Sligo were missing Evan Regan injured Mark and Ryan McHugh away on Donegal team holiday. UCC don't seem as strong as last year. The winner of UCD v DCU should win the sigerson.
Never made it to the game today, but from informed sources, UCC were sluggish enough. Would agree with the opinions above, UCC should be winning by more, but then again they were missing 3 inter-county Seniors today.
Ian Maguire and especially Paul Geaney were huge loses. Fergal McNamara is a very good man marker aswell but is playing with Stacks on Sunday.
Those 3 would make a huge difference to any Sigerson team. UCC haven't been beaten at home in donkey's years in Sigerson either, can't remember when that last happened.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 13, 2015, 05:59:44 PM
IT Sligo were missing Evan Regan injured Mark and Ryan McHugh away on Donegal team holiday. UCC don't seem as strong as last year. The winner of UCD v DCU should win the sigerson.
ITS were only missing Regan. McHughs were there
Quote from: ck on February 14, 2015, 06:18:57 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 13, 2015, 05:59:44 PM
IT Sligo were missing Evan Regan injured Mark and Ryan McHugh away on Donegal team holiday. UCC don't seem as strong as last year. The winner of UCD v DCU should win the sigerson.
ITS were only missing Regan. McHughs were there
They were not there and both sides were missing three starters yesterday.
UCD panel against that played against GMIT
Eoghan Keogh (Laois)
2. Ryan Wylie (Ballybay, Monaghan)
3. Davey Byrne (Naomh Olaf, Dublin)
4. Martin O Cathalain (Dublin)
5. Paraic Harnan (Moynalvey, Meath)
6. Conor Mulally (Cuala, Dublin)
7. Aran O Muruchu (Wicklow)
8. Conor Sheridan (Simonstown Gaels, Meath)
8. John Heslin (St Loman's, Westmeath)
10. Brian Fenton (Raheny, Dublin)
11. Jack McCaffrey (Clontarf, Dublin)
11. Eoghan Nolan (Shelmaliers, Wexford)
13. Ryan Basquel (Ballyboden St-Enda's, Dublin)
14. Mark Hughes (Emmet Óg Killoe, Longford)
15. Niall Kelly (Athy, Kildare)
Subs
28. Stephen Kilcoyne (Sligo) for O Cathalain (h/t)
20. Sean O'Dea (Kilteely/Dromkeen, Limerick) for Hughes (h/t)
22. Ciaran Lenehan (Skryne, Meath) for Sheridan (39)
7. Patrick Reilly (St Brides, Louth) for Nolan (39)
29. Edward O'Byrne (St Martin's, Wexford) for McCaffrey (54)
23. Robert Carr (Newtown Blues, Louth) for Basquel (54)
They beat DCU last year, although a few players like Paul Mannion no longer there. Jack McCaffrey plays in the half forward line and playing well.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 14, 2015, 11:13:16 AM
Quote from: ck on February 14, 2015, 06:18:57 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 13, 2015, 05:59:44 PM
IT Sligo were missing Evan Regan injured Mark and Ryan McHugh away on Donegal team holiday. UCC don't seem as strong as last year. The winner of UCD v DCU should win the sigerson.
ITS were only missing Regan. McHughs were there
They were not there and both sides were missing three starters yesterday.
My info is that they McHughs were there. Mark McHugh being on holiday with Donegal is nonsense, sure he wasn't even on the 2014 Donegal panel
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 14, 2015, 11:42:14 AM
UCD panel against that played against GMIT
Eoghan Keogh (Laois)
2. Ryan Wylie (Ballybay, Monaghan)
3. Davey Byrne (Naomh Olaf, Dublin)
4. Martin O Cathalain (Dublin)
5. Paraic Harnan (Moynalvey, Meath)
6. Conor Mulally (Cuala, Dublin)
7. Aran O Muruchu (Wicklow)
8. Conor Sheridan (Simonstown Gaels, Meath)
8. John Heslin (St Loman's, Westmeath)
10. Brian Fenton (Raheny, Dublin)
11. Jack McCaffrey (Clontarf, Dublin)
11. Eoghan Nolan (Shelmaliers, Wexford)
13. Ryan Basquel (Ballyboden St-Enda's, Dublin)
14. Mark Hughes (Emmet Óg Killoe, Longford)
15. Niall Kelly (Athy, Kildare)
Subs
28. Stephen Kilcoyne (Sligo) for O Cathalain (h/t)
20. Sean O'Dea (Kilteely/Dromkeen, Limerick) for Hughes (h/t)
22. Ciaran Lenehan (Skryne, Meath) for Sheridan (39)
7. Patrick Reilly (St Brides, Louth) for Nolan (39)
29. Edward O'Byrne (St Martin's, Wexford) for McCaffrey (54)
23. Robert Carr (Newtown Blues, Louth) for Basquel (54)
They beat DCU last year, although a few players like Paul Mannion no longer there. Jack McCaffrey plays in the half forward line and playing well.
Strong enough looking side. Who is manager of UCD these days?
Quote from: ck on February 14, 2015, 03:38:50 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 14, 2015, 11:13:16 AM
Quote from: ck on February 14, 2015, 06:18:57 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 13, 2015, 05:59:44 PM
IT Sligo were missing Evan Regan injured Mark and Ryan McHugh away on Donegal team holiday. UCC don't seem as strong as last year. The winner of UCD v DCU should win the sigerson.
ITS were only missing Regan. McHughs were there
They were not there and both sides were missing three starters yesterday.
My info is that they McHughs were there. Mark McHugh being on holiday with Donegal is nonsense, sure he wasn't even on the 2014 Donegal panel
What info do you mean? Do you know something we don't?
I.T SLIGO1. Alvin McCallig (Mayo)
15. Stephen Doak (Donegal)
3. Daragh McConnon (Sligo)
2. Eoin Flanagan (Sligo)
4. Michael McWeeney (Leitrim)
28. Robert Gorman (Westmeath)
18. Michael Foody (Mayo)
7. Brian Gallagher (Mayo)
9. Shane McManus (Sligo)
6. Eunan Doherty (Donegal)
26. Niall Walsh (Cavan)
12. Cathal Mulryan (Galway)
23. James Shaughnessy (Mayo)
14. Daniel McKenna (Monaghan)
19. Stephen Coen (Sligo)
Subs:21. Ciarán Thompson (Donegal) for Walsh (40)
33. Stephen Henry (Mayo) for Gallagher (47)
8. Ray Connolly (Sligo) for Coen (49)
25. Cian Clinton (Leitrim) for Shaughnessy (57)
That was the Sligo lineup for yesterday...you are right about 1 thing, Mark McHugh wasn't on Donegal panel last year so surely not gone on holiday. So..where was he?
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 14, 2015, 03:59:11 PM
Quote from: ck on February 14, 2015, 03:38:50 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 14, 2015, 11:13:16 AM
Quote from: ck on February 14, 2015, 06:18:57 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 13, 2015, 05:59:44 PM
IT Sligo were missing Evan Regan injured Mark and Ryan McHugh away on Donegal team holiday. UCC don't seem as strong as last year. The winner of UCD v DCU should win the sigerson.
ITS were only missing Regan. McHughs were there
They were not there and both sides were missing three starters yesterday.
My info is that they McHughs were there. Mark McHugh being on holiday with Donegal is nonsense, sure he wasn't even on the 2014 Donegal panel
What info do you mean? Do you know something we don't?
I.T SLIGO
1. Alvin McCallig (Mayo)
15. Stephen Doak (Donegal)
3. Daragh McConnon (Sligo)
2. Eoin Flanagan (Sligo)
4. Michael McWeeney (Leitrim)
28. Robert Gorman (Westmeath)
18. Michael Foody (Mayo)
7. Brian Gallagher (Mayo)
9. Shane McManus (Sligo)
6. Eunan Doherty (Donegal)
26. Niall Walsh (Cavan)
12. Cathal Mulryan (Galway)
23. James Shaughnessy (Mayo)
14. Daniel McKenna (Monaghan)
19. Stephen Coen (Sligo)
Subs:
21. Ciarán Thompson (Donegal) for Walsh (40)
33. Stephen Henry (Mayo) for Gallagher (47)
8. Ray Connolly (Sligo) for Coen (49)
25. Cian Clinton (Leitrim) for Shaughnessy (57)
That was the Sligo lineup for yesterday...you are right about 1 thing, Mark McHugh wasn't on Donegal panel last year so surely not gone on holiday. So..where was he?
My understanding is that they were there. I can only assume that they were injured.
Based on this lineup that is a pretty poor ITS side.
Both McHugh's played the full game last weekend against Dublin asaik.
The McHugh brothers were listed in the program. Strange particularly when Martin is the manager. Maybe the delay changed the availability of the McHughs. Looking at how the game went you'd have to wonder what ITS could have done with the McHughs, nevermind Regan.
Quote from: Syferus on February 14, 2015, 04:42:30 PM
The McHugh brothers were listed in the program. Strange particularly when Martin is the manager. Maybe the delay changed the availability of the McHughs. Looking at how the game went you'd have to wonder what ITS could have done with the McHughs, nevermind Regan.
As I said previously, if Maguire, Geaney and McNamara had played, even if the McHugh's and Regan were there, I think the result would have been the same.
Geaney and Maguire in current form would improve a team massively. Not sure how McNamara is going, will see for Stacks tomorrow.
This McHughs thing is odd I must say.
Spoke to dependable ITS source. The McHughs definitely travelled to Cork, he assumes they got injured against Dublin in NFL. Ryan left for Dubai today. Mark is not going to Dubai as he wasn't on Donegal panel last year.
Was known a few days ago that Ryan McHugh wasn't going to play against UCC http://donegalnews.com/2015/02/it-sligo-back-in-sigerson-but-ryan-mchugh-set-to-miss-ucc-clash/
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/it-carlow-thrown-out-of-the-independentie-fitzgibbon-cup-for-fielding-illegal-player-30996571.html
University GAA not having a good year!!
Not all bad. My oul college Magee has made the semis where they play Derry tec in the semis in cork. The funny thing about it is that the two colleges are a road apart and they have to travel all the way to cork for it!!!
If they properly policed it, a lot of teams would be thrown out.
Time to consign this thing to the bin- or MRE realistically to January and take College teams out of the FBD etc.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 16, 2015, 04:51:52 PM
Time to consign this thing to the bin- or MRE realistically to January and take College teams out of the FBD etc.
The Fitzgibbon? I agree..lets ban all Hurling in fact. Football would improve massively as a result..
I mean Sigerson. As for hurling - let's limit it to June and July at most ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on February 16, 2015, 06:39:01 PM
I mean Sigerson. As for hurling - let's limit it to June and July at most ;D
That is actually MORE logical than your last post..
I'd love to know how a great competition that is run off in only 4 weeks in Jan/Feb is suddenly the biggest problem in Gaelic Football! ::)
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 16, 2015, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 16, 2015, 06:39:01 PM
I mean Sigerson. As for hurling - let's limit it to June and July at most ;D
That is actually MORE logical than your last post..
I'd love to know how a great competition that is run off in only 4 weeks in Jan/Feb is suddenly the biggest problem in Gaelic Football! ::)
In the age group at most risk of burnout it's a massive contributing factor. It's the weakest of the flock so of course it'll be many peoples' targets.
If it was a nice little tourney to give students a biteen of diversion it'd be grand.
But when it becomes a serious skulduggin almost semi pro thing.....
The competition would be strengthened if it adopted the following changes,
1. Run off from Oct to December
2. Open to non county players only
3. U.23 players only
This would give its place in the calendar and it would mean that those colleges who run around hunting for established players to undertake Mickey mouse courses would be forced to invest in players who have yet to make it. Way it should be!
Quote from: ck on February 16, 2015, 08:49:10 PM
The competition would be strengthened if it adopted the following changes,
1. Run off from Oct to December
2. Open to non county players only
3. U.23 players only
This would give its place in the calendar and it would mean that those colleges who run around hunting for established players to undertake Mickey mouse courses would be forced to invest in players who have yet to make it. Way it should be!
But that's totally impractical CK.
1. Colleges have barely started in October. Players may be just back from abroad, tired after a long club season etc..So playing it then, would actually be MORE risky from an injury/burnout POV.
2. Why bar 19/20 year old genuine students from playing with their class mates/house mates etc just because they are elite players? If they are merely subs on a county team can they play? Can a sub with Carlow not play? Is he treated the same as a Kerry/Dublin/Donegal sub?
3. Why 23? An 18 year old genuine medical student still in college at 24 is barred under that rule. The existing 6 year and 2 course limit covers enough bases there surely?
As for Rossfan and his "semipro" jibe..just silly.
Sports scholarships, DJ Carey, Martin McHugh etc etc .
Semi Pro isn't too far off the mark.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 16, 2015, 11:23:24 PM
Sports scholarships, DJ Carey, Martin McHugh etc etc .
Semi Pro isn't too far off the mark.
No scholarship I know of covers more than 1/2 the cost of 1 year in any third-level institution. Don't know if it varies elsewhere but the Munster GAA third level scholarships are €1,500 for example. The cost of accomodation in Cork or Limerick for a college year is €3000 plus, over €4k in Cork probably. How the hell they are anywhere approaching semi-pro when they are still forking out up to 10k a year tell me?
Martin McHugh, DJ Carey...and your point there is..what exactly?
What courses are Carey , McHugh etc studying in the Colleges whose teams they are managing?
Scholarships for being good at football or hurling makes it easier on the pocket than the rest of the students.
Here's a question... who would miss the Sigerson/Fitzgibbon if it were scrapped?
I'm guessing only really the players. Even then the majority will be training/playing with their clubs Seniors/Reserves/U21s throughout that time anyway so what exactly are they missing out on?
If there are any competitions to go i think the pre season County Competitions and the University competitions should all go!
I would say it actually means more to players from "lesser" counties.
Being from antrim it's nice to see at times that some of our guys can mix it with the best of them. I think that is a big thing for them too.
(Unfortunately that doesn't transition into the county team!?)
I would say it's the same for a lot of non county guys too. It is their big chance to mix it with county players and it's also a big "shop window" for non county players.
Quote from: screenexile on February 17, 2015, 10:03:13 AM
Here's a question... who would miss the Sigerson/Fitzgibbon if it were scrapped?
I'm guessing only really the players. Even then the majority will be training/playing with their clubs Seniors/Reserves/U21s throughout that time anyway so what exactly are they missing out on?
If there are any competitions to go i think the pre season County Competitions and the University competitions should all go!
The answer to your question is that no-one would miss it bar the players. Sigerson/Fitz for anyone who played in it will always be held in high esteem and it provides opportunities for 3rd level lads to get involved in the admin side that their clubs and counties will later benefit from. Also players clubs and counties benefit from them playing at that elite level.
I also think scrapping Sigerson/Fitz should all be up for discussion, as should minor and U.21 and the calendar in general. No competition should be sacred - the reality is that there are too many competitions, too many grades (esp for 17-21 year olds) therefore something has to give!
Sorry if this has been posted before
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http://teamtalkmag.com/2015/02/george-sigerson-anniversary-tribute/ (http://teamtalkmag.com/2015/02/george-sigerson-anniversary-tribute/)
Dr George Sigerson 90th Anniversary
Today Tuesday 17th February 2015 will mark the 90th anniversary of the death of one of Strabane and Tyrone's most famous sons, Dr George Sigerson who was born on 11th January 1836 at Holyhill just outside Strabane, he died at his home in Clare Street Dublin on 17th February 1925 aged 89 years and was laid to rest in Glasnevin Cemetery Dublin.
George Sigerson was the son of William and Nancy (nee Neilson) Sigerson; he had three brothers James, John and William and three sisters, Ellen, Jane and Mary Ann. His parents are buried at St Mary's cemetery in Cloughcor.
George Sigerson was educated at the local Glebe school, he then moved to Letterkenny Academy before moving on to Tirgarvil Maghera and then on to St Joseph's College Paris. On his return to Ireland he studied at Queen's College in Galway and Cork and finally completed his medical studies at the Catholic University School of Medicine in Dublin. In December 1861 George Sigerson married Hester Varian who was living in Dublin and came from Cork parents; they were married at the Church of the Immaculate Conception, Marlborough Street, Dublin. His wife Hester died in 1898 aged seventy. They had four children, a son William died in 1864 aged one year old, another son George Patrick died in 1903 aged thirty-six, a daughter Dora died in 1918 aged fifty-one whilst another daughter Hester died in 1939 aged sixty-nine.
Sigerson's home in Clare Street Dublin was a real hive of activity of those from the literary and political world and amongst his many friends over the years whom he had close contact with included the likes of Douglas Hyde, John O'Leary, Charles Kickham, James Stephens, Thomas McDonagh, Joseph Mary Plunkett, Pádraig Pearse, Jeremiah O'Donovan Rossa, Thomas Clarke and Sir Roger Casement. In terms of his relationship to the G.A.A., he will be forever remembered for presenting the Sigerson Cup in 1911 for competition between the universities of Ireland. It's the oldest trophy in the G.A.A. and is still keenly contested for till the present day. Many Tyrone players have won Sigerson Cup medals over the years with Brian Dooher, Damian Devine, Niall Conway, Declan McCrossan, Fergal Logan, Noel Donnelly, Pascal Canavan, Peter Donnelly and the late Cormac McAnallen amongst just some of the winners. The Strabane Sigersons club proudly boast his name in honour of one of the most famous sons of Strabane and their club grounds are known as Páirc Mhic Sioghair (Sigerson Park). There is also a street in Strabane named in his honour, Sigersons Place which is situated in the old Ballycolman area. The name of Sigerson is also inscribed on the boat sculpture in Abercorn Square and on a plaque at the car park wall in the Bowling Green. Back in 2011, the Ulster History Circle unveiled a Blue Plaque outside Strabane Library on Railway Road to commemorate Sigerson with the then President of the Ulster Council and now the soon to be G.A.A. President Aogán O'Farrell amongst the distinguished guests from many walks of life that were in attendance.
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He was widely known throughout Ireland as a foremost authority on medicine specialising in neurology and was also a prolific writer on scientific subjects. He was also an outstanding linguist and developed a keen interest in Gaelic poetry, folklore and song, one of his great works was 'The Bards of the Gael and Gall', whilst others included; The Poets and Poetry of Munster, History of the Land Tenures and Land Classes of Ireland and The Easter Song of Sedulius. Sigerson was deeply involved in the Society for Preservation of the Irish Language as far back as 1877. He wrote regularly using pseudonyms like Erionnach and An Ulsterman for articles printed in leading newspapers and periodicals such as; The Irish People, The Nation, Hibernian Magazine, The Shamrock, The Harp and The Irishman. He wrote on many issues including the land question, prisoner's conditions, on the execution of the Manchester Martyrs and on Home Rule. Sigerson composed the famous Tyrone anthem The Mountains of Pomeroy and indeed other songs such as The Enniskillen Dragoons, The Heather Glen and Farewell to Sligo. He was the president of the National Literary Society for more than thirty years delivering many outstanding lectures and was also a founding member of Feis Ceoil which was first organised in Dublin in 1897. Dr George Sigerson was a member of Seanad Éireann in 1922 after having been proposed by the leader of the Free State government, William T Cosgrave and served up until his death in 1925. He acted as Chairman of the first ever Senate with his proposer and seconder stating: "It would an honour if this learned and faithful historian of Ireland would take the Chair for this day".
In August 1922 when the issue of an official symbol for the new Irish state was being discussed Sigerson was brought on board alongside Thomas Sadleir who was the registrar of the Office of Arms at Dublin Castle and in December of that year it was recommended that the harp should be adopted which remains synonymous with Ireland right up to the present day. Many tributes were paid to Dr George Sigerson following his death in 1925 with the Irish News at the time leading on a piece titled "Great Irishman dead after life of service". It went on to state that he was one of the most notable figures in Irish life and said that he was a keen politician, a brilliant scientist, a poet of great merit, a storywriter, an essayist, a profound scholar and a historian whose work will live on long after his passing.
No words of mine could ever attempt do justice to the memory of the late Dr George Sigerson. He was an outstanding man in many walks of life be it in the medical, scientific, literary, political, educational or language fields. He excelled at everything he did and is truly one of Ireland's most remarkable persons and don't forget that he was born just a few miles outside Strabane! We should all be extremely proud of him and on this the 90th anniversary of his death I urge you all to take the time to read the book penned by Derry man Ken McGilloway published in February 2011 titled "George Sigerson, Poet, Patriot, Scientist and Scholar" and you'll discover just how important and influential the man really was.
An interesting fact that many out there that many might not know is that Ken McGilloway, the author of the book mentioned above is married to a direct relative of Dr George Sigerson. Helen McGilloway nee McGinnis originally from Strabane and now living in Derry is a great granddaughter of Sigerson's sister Jane McGinnis. Jane resided with her brother in Dublin from 1897 until her death in 1913 running the house for her brother. Her husband was Patrick McGinnis who had predeceased her having been a prominent businessman in the Strabane area. Most locals will no doubt know Helen's brother Joey who is a well known figure around the town. I hope that in some small way that I have paid some form of tribute to one of Strabane and Tyrone's most famous sons on this the 90th anniversary of his death.
Dr George Sigerson 11th January 1836 – 17th February 1925 – Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam.
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Aodhan Harkin - Strabane
Amazing man and story. Was it not alleged that the poly made a replica of the oldest cup in gaa at one stage.
Good read that. Never knew anything about him.
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Quote from: Syferus on February 12, 2015, 08:33:13 PM
To be fair Ciarrai UCC were an anomaly in the perspective of the last decade or so. There is a rotten core in the Sigerson right now and until it's corrected the competition will operate under a cloud of suspicion and derision.
I've no problem admitting there's been a suspicion of illegality about some teams, but the DIT team who won 2 years ago for example..who was "dodgy" out of that group would you say?
I know there was a lot of talk about the UUJ team last year and some of the DCU players that won a couple of titles, but I think a lot of it was down to the age of some of the players. Bryan Cullen must've been 30 and playing Sigerson at one stage for example. If they put a cap of 25 on it or something maybe it wouldn't be the worst idea. There is the 2 course/6 year limit in place now so I don't see a lot of scope for abuse.
To be quite fair, I'm here arguing in favour of the Sigerson, but the worst case of all was Tralee back in the 90s..there were several fellas that won 2/3 titles back then that never saw the inside of the college. :-\
Anyway, as Syf points out, UCC are a real college team with a great manager and play good football aswell. Hoping to mitch off work to watch them tomorrow again.
Thanks you've had to admit I was right.
I haven't been to a Sigerson game in over twenty years, dont have the time anymore (fans can get burnout too!). What is the standard like these days, are they very high quality games? Would it be equal to county U21, slightly better?
Following the decision of the Central Appeal's Committee to uphold IT Carlow's Appeal and overturn the decision to Award the Independent.ie Fitzgibbon Cup fixture between IT Carlow and Mary I (February 10th) to Mary I by Comhairle Ardoideachais (CA), the Independent.ie Fitzgibbon Cup Quarter-FInal fixtures which were scheduled for Thursday 19th February are now cancelled.
Another appeal being upheld ::)
It's making a mockery of the rules. All feels a bit farcical now. I would presume that the constitution in relation to HE rules and regs will now need to be re-written from scratch?
DCU 1-6 UCD 0-4 half time.
Level now DCU 1-7 UCD 0-10
Late penalty secured the win for DCU. DCU 2-8 UCD 0-11
Five Roscommon lads started for DCU. Deadly stuff. Just one more win for them.
Anyone got the teams and scorers?
Enda Smyth scored 2-3 out of 2-8 today, 5 rossies on the team, looking good.
Video: See last-minute penalty drama as DCU beat UCD in the Sigerson Cup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmt5-WVm4s4&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmt5-WVm4s4&feature=youtu.be)
Quote from: Any craic on February 20, 2015, 04:03:00 PM
Video: See last-minute penalty drama as DCU beat UCD in the Sigerson Cup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmt5-WVm4s4&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmt5-WVm4s4&feature=youtu.be)
Great catch by the full forward (is that the big Wicklow lad?) and deserved something from it but I think it was a harsh pen. Close tackling in numbers isn't a foul, as soon as he felt he was going no-where he hit the ground. Very harsh on UCD!
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 20, 2015, 03:36:55 PM
Anyone got the teams and scorers?
http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/video-late-penalty-drama-as-dcu-edge-pulsating-sigerson-semifinal-against-ucd-31008882.html
Half time Carlow IT 0-6 UCC 0-5
UCC took control since HT, now ahead 1-12 to 0-7 after 50 mins.
2-12 to 0-8 the final score
Ya oneway traffic second half. UCC 2-13 Carlow IT 0-8
UCC Goal vs IT Carlow in the second semi.. the turning point, if there was one..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyhq1ULmSnU&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyhq1ULmSnU&feature=youtu.be)
Video: See 5 mins highlights from today's all-Dublin Sigerson cracker...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GwOy-flHk8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GwOy-flHk8)
Garda College win Trench Cup, 1-13 to 0-10 against St Pats Drumcondra. 0-8 for Colin Compton (Roscommon) - Garda, Cormac Costello (Dublin) missed pen for St Pats.
Young Colin is just back from an injury too. St. Pats just missed out on retaining the Trench Cup. Their FF line the last two years would be better than almost all Sigerson teams'.
I remember watching Compton in 2012 against Cavan in the u21's, looked a classy player.
Paul Geaney starting for UCC, didn't play yesterday or the Quarter final.
Conoreen can take the Evans taxi up to Athlone if he wants to play for the fatherland.. hard to fathom why he isn't a fixture of what has been a rather thread-bare Kerry attack in recent years.
Errr... Syf, did you hear about the 2014 All Ireland Championship?
Stop embarrassing us.
Quote from: Syferus on February 21, 2015, 03:45:26 PM
Conoreen can take the Evans taxi up to Athlone if he wants to play for the fatherland.. hard to fathom why he isn't a fixture of what has been a rather thread-bare Kerry attack in recent years.
A thread bare kerry attack? What are you smoking?
Hon the Tadhg!!
Kerry's attack was nothing special last year, nevermind the few years before that when they weren't even contending. Last year until Star came on near full-time in the AISF it was JO'D and little else up front for Kerry. Not the place to go into it further but who of Geeney and Cox looked the Kerry starter there?
Your man Cox will be sick if UCC end up losing this. Missed a sitter of a point in injury time there.
UCC were the better team in that 60 mins unlucky not to win.
Superb kick from DCU goalie to equalise.Is he on Roscommon panel?
He isn't. Was U21 keeper in 2012 and 2013. Same club as the two Smiths, Boyle.
Bit mad that they've brought Enda Smith back on.
How did Eddie make a black card out of that?
Another beauty from Tadhg, and some great tackling by DCU. Two points is nothing, though.
Delighted. Great game, DCU had the answer every time UCC came back. Tadhg MotM. Perfect.
I'm sorry but how does the keeper get mom. He was to blame for a goal and kicked a few frees. Ridiculous. Delighted to see DCU win and thought our own Conor Moynagh was very good.
Quote from: Syferus on February 21, 2015, 04:59:31 PM
Delighted. Great game, DCU had the answer every time UCC came back. Tadhg MotM. Perfect.
Obviously I'm biased but for me stephen o brien deserved motm, was outstanding throughout.
Better side lost I thought but DCU made the most of the luck that went their way.
Sean Boylan beats Billy Morgan yet again. 8)
That Cox chap was a bit shit. Number 25 Mickey Quinn was very good for DCU. Is that the Longford and former Essendon player?
DCU deserved to win.
Bumper crowd of what must have been at least 200 which really shows that there is huge public interest in the Sigerson Cup.
Quote from: Syferus on February 21, 2015, 04:59:31 PM
Delighted. Great game, DCU had the answer every time UCC came back. Tadhg MotM. Perfect.
Tell us how Donie Smith missed an easy free in the second half? Wrong studs was it again, its the only reason roscommon forwards can miss ;D ;D
Quote from: Sidney on February 21, 2015, 05:15:18 PM
Sean Boylan beats Billy Morgan yet again. 8)
That Cox chap was a bit shit. Number 25 Mickey Quinn was very good for DCU. Is that the Longford and former Essendon player?
DCU deserved to win.
Bumper crowd of what must have been at least 200 which really shows that there is huge public interest in the Sigerson Cup.
Nearly always a bumper crowd for Sigerson cup finals. UCC deserved at least a draw out of the game played most of the best football.
Yeh thought Quinn was excellent and I thought DCU deserved their win, much the better team in extra time.
Are there different playing rules for Sigerson? Seems so looking at games over past two days. The amount of puling and dragging let go was unreal. How many throw up balls were there as players became entangled in scrums because the refs allowed players paw and maul ball carriers?
Thought match poor to be honest. May have been due to 2 games in 2 days.
Quote from: Throw ball on February 21, 2015, 05:54:58 PM
Thought match poor to be honest. May have been due to 2 games in 2 days.
Played a big part in it alright. Semi finals should be played midweek.
Quote from: Throw ball on February 21, 2015, 05:54:58 PM
Thought match poor to be honest. May have been due to 2 games in 2 days.
It used to be 3 games in 3 days years ago.
Quote from: Line Ball on February 21, 2015, 07:32:25 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on February 21, 2015, 05:54:58 PM
Thought match poor to be honest. May have been due to 2 games in 2 days.
It used to be 3 games in 3 days years ago.
Interesting edit line ball, as one of the original interlopers, I wasn't offended. Think it would be worth returning to the blitz format at two different venues then the final as a stand alone. Too many missing out on the weekend 'experience '
Thought Quinn was very good, real throwback
Quote from: Syferus on February 21, 2015, 04:59:31 PM
Delighted. Great game, DCU had the answer every time UCC came back. Tadhg MotM. Perfect.
Congratulations to Roscommon on winning the Sigerson, the first of many tenuous trophies this year
Quote from: Tubberman on February 21, 2015, 10:18:55 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 21, 2015, 04:59:31 PM
Delighted. Great game, DCU had the answer every time UCC came back. Tadhg MotM. Perfect.
Congratulations to Roscommon on winning the Sigerson, the first of many tenuous trophies this year
Thanks, it's not like you could have congratulated your club-man instead of taking shots at Roscommon anyways.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 21, 2015, 04:05:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 21, 2015, 03:45:26 PM
Conoreen can take the Evans taxi up to Athlone if he wants to play for the fatherland.. hard to fathom why he isn't a fixture of what has been a rather thread-bare Kerry attack in recent years.
A thread bare kerry attack? What are you smoking?
It is known as a "syferism" .
apparently Neil Armstrong flew over Roscommon airspace on his way to the moon. July 21st has been celebrated ever since as a pivotal day in Roscommon history.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 21, 2015, 10:54:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 21, 2015, 04:05:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 21, 2015, 03:45:26 PM
Conoreen can take the Evans taxi up to Athlone if he wants to play for the fatherland.. hard to fathom why he isn't a fixture of what has been a rather thread-bare Kerry attack in recent years.
A thread bare kerry attack? What are you smoking?
It is known as a "syferism" .
apparently Neil Armstrong flew over Roscommon airspace on his way to the moon. July 21st has been celebrated ever since as a pivotal day in Roscommon history.
I thought that was because July 21st was the latest they'd stayed in the championship since man walked on the moon.
C'mon Mike, no need for you to turn against the Rossies. We get enough of that garbage from some of the clowns in our neighbouring county.
Quote from: Shrewdness on February 22, 2015, 12:16:44 AM
C'mon Mike, no need for you to turn against the Rossies. We get enough of that garbage from some of the clowns in our neighbouring county.
You are right. County Syferus is not Roscommon, it is some strange place that exists in Syferus head. A place where your county can never kick a ball but still win by association.It is an amazing world that he has created. We must learn more.
Quote from: Shrewdness on February 22, 2015, 12:16:44 AM
C'mon Mike, no need for you to turn against the Rossies. We get enough of that garbage from some of the clowns in our neighbouring county.
There's Mayo, and then there's Mike Sheehy. At least the former are genuine.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 22, 2015, 01:04:23 AM
Quote from: Shrewdness on February 22, 2015, 12:16:44 AM
C'mon Mike, no need for you to turn against the Rossies. We get enough of that garbage from some of the clowns in our neighbouring county.
You are right. County Syferus is not Roscommon, it is some strange place that exists in Syferus head. A place where your county can never kick a ball but still win by association.It is an amazing world that he has created. We must learn more.
;D
We don't want to....
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 21, 2015, 05:07:54 PM
Better side lost I thought but DCU made the most of the luck that went their way.
Both sides very tired I thought. Likes of Conor Mc Hugh look knackered.
DCU marginally better. Gas that DCU promote such talk of player welfare yet the Sigerson Cup is played over a weekend. In these weather conditions two games in two days is madness
You may or may not be aware that DCU have absolutely no influence on fixtures
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 22, 2015, 04:43:43 PM
You may or may not be aware that DCU have absolutely no influence on fixtures
I know they don't but I think it's ironic that many of these colleges have sports science departments etc and why they haven't gone to the Higher Education Committees and said this is madness. Lads could barely walk at the end of that game yesterday
Different rules for the HEA bodies.
They practically write their own rules
Quote from: INDIANA on February 22, 2015, 01:42:49 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 21, 2015, 05:07:54 PM
Better side lost I thought but DCU made the most of the luck that went their way.
Both sides very tired I thought. Likes of Conor Mc Hugh look knackered.
DCU marginally better. Gas that DCU promote such talk of player welfare yet the Sigerson Cup is played over a weekend. In these weather conditions two games in two days is madness
Should they have pulled out?
Quote from: muppet on February 22, 2015, 08:51:21 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 22, 2015, 01:42:49 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 21, 2015, 05:07:54 PM
Better side lost I thought but DCU made the most of the luck that went their way.
Both sides very tired I thought. Likes of Conor Mc Hugh look knackered.
DCU marginally better. Gas that DCU promote such talk of player welfare yet the Sigerson Cup is played over a weekend. In these weather conditions two games in two days is madness
Should they have pulled out?
If ur father had of pulled out you wouldn't be here today.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 22, 2015, 01:42:49 PM
Both sides very tired I thought. Likes of Conor Mc Hugh look knackered.
DCU marginally better. Gas that DCU promote such talk of player welfare yet the Sigerson Cup is played over a weekend. In these weather conditions two games in two days is madness
I thought it was very nice of Moyna to take McHugh off at half time while leave our own Enda Smith on longer until he could give no more then take him off only to bring him back on again in extra time ::)
Sigerson finals are always less energetic than the semi finals. In the days were burnout and recovery is paramount I find it incredible that elite teams are asked to play games 24hrs apart. This may have been ok 50 years ago but not today.
Niall Moyna is very good on radio talking about less demands on players yet he sits back on this issue. Very strange.
Indeed - a case of don't be abusing players, that's my job. :o
Quote from: ross4life on February 23, 2015, 12:17:20 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 22, 2015, 01:42:49 PM
Both sides very tired I thought. Likes of Conor Mc Hugh look knackered.
DCU marginally better. Gas that DCU promote such talk of player welfare yet the Sigerson Cup is played over a weekend. In these weather conditions two games in two days is madness
I thought it was very nice of Moyna to take McHugh off at half time while leave our own Enda Smith on longer until he could give no more then take him off only to bring him back on again in extra time ::)
You keep your best players on the field sure.
Quote from: neilthemac on February 22, 2015, 08:25:42 PM
Different rules for the HEA bodies.
They practically write their own rules
I would say the HEA has a problem with actually bothering to write down their own rules given what's gone on so far this year.
They think up rules but then don't bother to actually write them down seems to be the case given how the various appeals have gone.
Mary I have appealed It Carlow GAA's reinstatement in Independent.ie GAA Higher Education Fitzgibbon Cup to the DRA - tomorrow's quarter-finals are in doubt.
Quote from: stronghold on February 23, 2015, 07:52:29 PM
Mary I have appealed It Carlow GAA's reinstatement in Independent.ie GAA Higher Education Fitzgibbon Cup to the DRA - tomorrow's quarter-finals are in doubt.
Stronghold what's your thoughts on all this stuff. The GAA can't be happy that their HE colleagues can't even write the rules into the rule book. Would I be right in thinking that the whole thing will have to go back to the drawing board and start again?
Sigerson Cup should be 'cherished' - Sean Boylan. 'I can't believe the passion that's there and the class football that's played by all of the teams. It gives you great faith that the game is in safe hands'. See video review of the Final here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHV7JQ-z6AY
Quote from: ck on February 23, 2015, 09:48:03 PM
Quote from: stronghold on February 23, 2015, 07:52:29 PM
Mary I have appealed It Carlow GAA's reinstatement in Independent.ie GAA Higher Education Fitzgibbon Cup to the DRA - tomorrow's quarter-finals are in doubt.
Stronghold what's your thoughts on all this stuff. The GAA can't be happy that their HE colleagues can't even write the rules into the rule book. Would I be right in thinking that the whole thing will have to go back to the drawing board and start again?
From HS;
Today's two Fitzgibbon Cup quarter-finals will go ahead after Mary Immaculate lost their appeal to the DRA.
With the appeal process now put to bed for once and for all, Limerick IT will play IT Carlow at Moylish at 2pm, with the winner going on to face UL in Friday's semi-final, while Waterford IT entertain Dublin IT at 7pm, with the winner of that one meeting Cork IT for a place in the decider.
Mary Immaculate College presented their case – challenging the continued participation of Carlow IT in the competition - this morning at a hearing in Trim Castle Hotel in Meath.
The Limerick-based third level college included local barrister Emmett O'Brien and solicitor Shane O'Neill among their team at the meeting, which lasted for two hours.
Mary Immaculate were seeking an interlocutory injunction to postpone today's quarter-finals so that they could get a full DRA hearing on Wednesday, which they hoped might lead to their reinstatement. But their case was dismissed, bringing an end to the long saga of appeals and counter-appeals.
Did you ever hear the likes of it? Surprised Fergal Logan wasn't sent for!!
All it does is show the administrators as a shower of incompetents. When rules are clear, transparent and watertight, this nonsense wouldn't tolerated. Throw the rule book out the window, stand down the board and start again!
Sean Boylan sounds like he's smoking some very particular herbs..