Heard absolutely nothing yet about the squad. Anyone know who's been involved?
Are there still plenty of tickets left?
Anyone heading to Caaaavan?
Panel not named yet, Provisional training squad have been training away for the past 6 weeks.. Still tickets available, should be full by the 19th
Wonder who'll be the first person to come on saying what a waste of time it is and how much they hate it.
They've been training away. Had read somewhere some of the names but can't really remember. Think the likes of murphy, mckeever and Cavanagh were mentioned. The gaa will soon need to start their marketing campaign if they're to fill breffini. I usually like the games but not sure if it was a good idea what the Aussies have done.
Agreed. Who exactly are we playing this time? Joke of an auld thing.
Quote from: rrhf on October 03, 2013, 06:43:59 AM
Agreed. Who exactly are we playing this time? Joke of an auld thing.
Who are you agreeing with?
Its's a load on dung and Breffni is not a great venue for it if there is weather like the last few nights but then you would still get a bad wetting in Croke Park in this weather.
What a waste of time.
I hate it.
What have the aussies done?
Quote from: tommysmith on October 03, 2013, 08:09:31 AM
Its's a load on dung and Breffni is not a great venue for it if there is weather like the last few nights but then you would still get a bad wetting in Croke Park in this weather.
Take it you will be going then.
Aul shite
love the Int rules. Will be at either this one or Croker. CMTF Ireland :)
Murphy named as captain.
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Can't believe nobody has mentioned yet how the tackling should be a lot better this year from Ireland with all the practice that some of us have got in early
Will McManamon be in the running now after his Mayo tackling?
Are the Aussie team just comprised of Aborigine and mixed-race players?
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 03, 2013, 02:17:35 PM
Can't believe nobody has mentioned yet how the tackling should be a lot better this year from Ireland with all the practice that some of us have got in early
Will McManamon be in the running now after his Mayo tackling?
Surprised Cavanagh hasn't been named Captain . . . best exponent of the Aussie Rules tackle I ever saw!
Yeah made up of indigenous players, few of them would be big names like Adam Goodes and Lance Franklin who played in Ireland in the 2010 series.
Quote from: blanketattack on October 03, 2013, 02:34:45 PM
Are the Aussie team just comprised of Aborigine and mixed-race players?
Indigenous players only. All the players have some Aboriginal ancestry - some obvious and others not so obvious. The brothers Stephen and Brad Hill will be in the team. Stephen (Fremantle) has fairer skin and his brother Brad (Hawthorn) is quite a bit darker despite being full brothers.
It's a delicate matter to navigate this with the obvious racial minority angle involved, but limiting the side to indigenous players only might be a massive own goal from the Aussies. Whatever about the eventual quality of the team, right now nobody here knows anything about these players and will just feel the travelling side is diluted, either rightly or wrongly, simply because it appears the squad is not selected from the full roster of AFL players.
All this comes after a few years of very asinine performances from the Aussies whose teams have of late gone full circle from balls out blood and thunder decapitations to advocating a slightly less sanitised form of Morris dancing. I used to be a fan of this but it's abundantly clear, no matter how much it sticks in our craw as proud Irishmen, that if the Aussies picked their best team and took it seriously in the physical sense - and I don't necessarily mean resorting to the fist either - then they would blow Ireland away every time. We've made huge advances in the physical preparation of our players but despite the similarities in the codes in some respects, in this one the sports are worlds apart. If one side has to water down their physicality or go less than full tilt just to make sure the thing is viable and the other lads don't get hurt or too badly beaten - with apparently limiting selections now coming into the mix too - then the thing just isn't viable and should be dispensed with. We can be very proud of our players and our game and there's no shame in saying we can't match full-time professionals in an all-out game. Back in the eighties the playing field was much more level and then both teams could have a go and each other full-throttle - but those days are long gone and won't be back.
The AFL seem to have lost their appetite for it and I expect the GAA will too after this years series.
You still talking about cavanaghs tackle
Could we develop the idea of playing teams along racial lines. We could take this game and play the African blacks or an American Indian team or even a Jewish team would be class.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 03, 2013, 10:10:35 AM
Quote from: tommysmith on October 03, 2013, 08:09:31 AM
Its's a load on dung and Breffni is not a great venue for it if there is weather like the last few nights but then you would still get a bad wetting in Croke Park in this weather.
Take it you will be going then.
Not a hope it's a horrible game to watch.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 04, 2013, 04:23:01 AM
It's a delicate matter to navigate this with the obvious racial minority angle involved, but limiting the side to indigenous players only might be a massive own goal from the Aussies. Whatever about the eventual quality of the team, right now nobody here knows anything about these players and will just feel the travelling side is diluted, either rightly or wrongly, simply because it appears the squad is not selected from the full roster of AFL players.
All this comes after a few years of very asinine performances from the Aussies whose teams have of late gone full circle from balls out blood and thunder decapitations to advocating a slightly less sanitised form of Morris dancing. I used to be a fan of this but it's abundantly clear, no matter how much it sticks in our craw as proud Irishmen, that if the Aussies picked their best team and took it seriously in the physical sense - and I don't necessarily mean resorting to the fist either - then they would blow Ireland away every time. We've made huge advances in the physical preparation of our players but despite the similarities in the codes in some respects, in this one the sports are worlds apart. If one side has to water down their physicality or go less than full tilt just to make sure the thing is viable and the other lads don't get hurt or too badly beaten - with apparently limiting selections now coming into the mix too - then the thing just isn't viable and should be dispensed with. We can be very proud of our players and our game and there's no shame in saying we can't match full-time professionals in an all-out game. Back in the eighties the playing field was much more level and then both teams could have a go and each other full-throttle - but those days are long gone and won't be back.
The AFL seem to have lost their appetite for it and I expect the GAA will too after this years series.
The indigenous side will be pretty good and includes some of the biggest names in AFL who wouldn't bother playing if the regular selection criteria were used. The side will be better than the last side that turned out for Australia (which was very poor and easily accounted for by the Irish lads). The indigenous lads generally aren't as well muscled or as heavy as other AFL players but are very quick and agile. Likely to more a contest of physical equals and will come down to the most skilful side.
I do agree that the concept is tired and needs to be shelved.
But not before we go Far East and take on yellow man
The trip to Australia for Irish players is a big attraction. Warm weather, a chance to see cities like Sydney, Melbourne, Perth etc. A trip of a lifetime, and obviously a chance to play for Ireland.
But what's the attraction for the Aussies coming here? It's in winter, spending 3 weeks putting up with rain, wind, hail and maybe even snow. It's the off-season too. Even if an Aussie was interested in seeing a bit of Ireland, he'll have his balls frozen while doing so. Maybe that's part of the reason the Aussies have got fed up with the series.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/07/10/the-international-rules-series-is-slowly-dying/
Good little article about the series - my favourite line If we're the only ones taking it seriously then what's the point?
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 04, 2013, 04:23:01 AM
It's a delicate matter to navigate this with the obvious racial minority angle involved, but limiting the side to indigenous players only might be a massive own goal from the Aussies. Whatever about the eventual quality of the team, right now nobody here knows anything about these players and will just feel the travelling side is diluted, either rightly or wrongly, simply because it appears the squad is not selected from the full roster of AFL players.
All this comes after a few years of very asinine performances from the Aussies whose teams have of late gone full circle from balls out blood and thunder decapitations to advocating a slightly less sanitised form of Morris dancing. I used to be a fan of this but it's abundantly clear, no matter how much it sticks in our craw as proud Irishmen, that if the Aussies picked their best team and took it seriously in the physical sense - and I don't necessarily mean resorting to the fist either - then they would blow Ireland away every time. We've made huge advances in the physical preparation of our players but despite the similarities in the codes in some respects, in this one the sports are worlds apart. If one side has to water down their physicality or go less than full tilt just to make sure the thing is viable and the other lads don't get hurt or too badly beaten - with apparently limiting selections now coming into the mix too - then the thing just isn't viable and should be dispensed with. We can be very proud of our players and our game and there's no shame in saying we can't match full-time professionals in an all-out game. Back in the eighties the playing field was much more level and then both teams could have a go and each other full-throttle - but those days are long gone and won't be back.
The AFL seem to have lost their appetite for it and I expect the GAA will too after this years series.
I agree the Aussies have lost interest I hope that their selection will work. Bad times for Aussie rules money ruins most sport when introduced
Fifteen counties represented on International Rules squad
08 October 2013
Cork's Aidan Walsh. INPHOInternational Rules manager Paul Earley has confirmed his provisional panel for the upcoming tests against Australia.
In total, 15 counties are represented on a panel of 29, which is expected to be cut back next week ahead of the opening test at Kingspan Breffni Park. Conspicuously, there are no Kerry representatives.
Michael Murphy will captain the team and Cork's Aidan Walsh has been confirmed as the vice-captain for the 2013 series.
Mayo have the largest single representation on the panel with four followed by Cork, Donegal, Laois and All-Ireland champions Dublin who all have three each.
Galway, Tyrone and Monaghan have two each selected while Kildare, Derry, Westmeath, Armagh, Louth, Meath and Wexford are also represented.
Zach Tuohy (Carlton / Laois) is the only AFL-based player on the panel.
Team manager Paul Earley said: "We are delighted to be able to confirm our training panel for the upcoming series and training has really stepped up in recent weeks with the inclusion of players from both of the All-Ireland finalists.
"We have a great response from players both in coming to join the panel and in training and we are pleased with the progress made to date.
"Injury has prevented a number of players from making this panel but we are very pleased with the group of players we are working with and very much looking forward to the two games."
The Irish manager confirmed that Kevin McKernan will not be involved despite featuring prominently in the training panel. The Irish medical team advised that bruising to his knee was likely to be exacerbated by training for both his club and the Irish team.
The Irish panel for the October 19th and 26th tests is:
Michael Murphy, Donegal (captain)
Aidan Walsh, Cork (vice captain)
Paddy O' Rourke, Meath
Colm Begley, Laois
Colm Boyle, Mayo
Ciaran Byrne, Louth
Sean Cavanagh, Tyrone
Paul Conroy, Galway
John Doyle, Kildare
Paul Flynn, Dublin
Finian Hanley, Galway
John Heslin, Westmeath
Darren Hughes, Monaghan
Lee Keegan, Mayo
Ciaran Kilkenny, Dublin
Paddy McBrearty, Donegal
Jack McCaffrey, Dublin
Niall Morgan, Tyrone
Neil McGee, Donegal
Chrissy McKaigue, Derry
Ciaran McKeever, Armagh
Kevin McLoughlin, Mayo
Conor McManus, Monaghan
Ross Munnelly, Laois
Aidan Ó Se, Mayo
Ciaran Sheehan, Cork
Michael Sheilds, Cork
Zach Tuohy, Carlton & Laois
Daithi Waters, Wexford
Quote from: CD on October 04, 2013, 06:15:43 PM
http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/07/10/the-international-rules-series-is-slowly-dying/
Good little article about the series - my favourite line If we're the only ones taking it seriously then what's the point?
That is a very good article. His point about how the Irish crave international recognition is right on the money.
Final Aussie squad has been announced.Some serious talent,Lance Franklin,Stevie Motlop and Lindsay Thomas.Franklin misses the 2nd test as he flies home for a wedding.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 04, 2013, 05:34:24 PM
The trip to Australia for Irish players is a big attraction. Warm weather, a chance to see cities like Sydney, Melbourne, Perth etc. A trip of a lifetime, and obviously a chance to play for Ireland.
But what's the attraction for the Aussies coming here? It's in winter, spending 3 weeks putting up with rain, wind, hail and maybe even snow. It's the off-season too. Even if an Aussie was interested in seeing a bit of Ireland, he'll have his balls frozen while doing so. Maybe that's part of the reason the Aussies have got fed up with the series.
A trip to Bundoran.
The chance to play in Breffini Park.
Artane Boys band.
An interview with Marty Morrisey.
The chance to break through a tackle from Sean Cavanagh.
Git pissed in Cavan Town.
Meet Larry Reilly.
Take your pick. They are going to have the time of their lives.
They don't get to meet Larry Reilly, they get to share a time zone with him. It's more than enough.
Irish international Rules manager Paul Earley has confirmed his provisional panel for the upcoming International Rules series with Australia.
In total 15 counties are represented on a panel of 29 that is expected to be cut back next week ahead of the opening Test at Kingspan Breffni Park on 19 October.
Michael Murphy will captain the team and Cork's Aidan Walsh has been confirmed as the vice-captain.
Mayo have the largest single representation on the panel with four players followed by Cork, Donegal, Laois and All-Ireland champions Dublin, who all have three each.
Galway, Tyrone and Monaghan have two each selected while Kildare, Derry, Westmeath, Armagh, Louth, Meath and Wexford are also represented.
Zach Tuohy (Carlton/Laois) is the only AFL-based player in the panel.
Team manager Paul Earley said: "We are delighted to be able to confirm our training panel for the upcoming series and training has really stepped up in recent weeks with the inclusion of players from both of the All-Ireland finalists.
"We have a great response from players both in coming to join the panel and in training and we are pleased with the progress made to date.
"Injury has prevented a number of players from making this panel but we are very pleased with the group of players we are working with and very much looking forward to the two games."
The Irish manager confirmed that Kevin McKernan will not be involved despite featuring in the training panel.
The Irish medical team advised that bruising to his knee was likely to be exacerbated by training for both his club and the Irish team.
Provisional Ireland squad: Michael Murphy (c) (Donegal), Aidan Walsh (vc), (Cork), Paddy O' Rourke (Meath), Colm Begley (Laois), Colm Boyle (Mayo), Ciaran Byrne (Louth), Sean Cavanagh (Tyrone), Paul Conroy (Galway), John Doyle (Kildare), Paul Flynn (Dublin), Finian Hanley (Galway), John Heslin (Westmeath), Darren Hughes (Monaghan), Lee Keegan (Mayo), Ciaran Kilkenny (Dublin), Paddy McBrearty (Donegal), Jack McCaffrey (Dublin), Niall Morgan (Tyrone), Neil McGee (Donegal), Chrissy McKaigue (Derry), Ciaran McKeever (Armagh), Kevin McLoughlin (Mayo), Conor McManus (Monaghan), Ross Munnelly (Laois), Aidan Ó Shea (Mayo), Ciaran Sheehan (Cork), Michael Sheilds (Cork), Zach Tuohy (Carlton & Laois), Daithi Waters (Wexford).
Thought Cavan would have 1 player on it. First test in breffni it would have generated more interest to see a local player involved. I'll be going anyways.
Niall Morgan has been the beneficiary of some great remedial therapy on the anti-gravity treadmill in Garvaghey -- must be some machine!
Quite surprised to see Paul Conroy there. Had a fairly poor season for Galway. I heard him receive some pretty serious abuse form the Galway fans during the Cork QF. Is he that player the fans love to hate??
Quote from: deiseach on October 08, 2013, 01:06:21 PM
They don't get to meet Larry Reilly, they get to share a time zone with him. It's more than enough.
One has an audience with Larry.....
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2013, 01:15:58 PM
Thought Cavan would have 1 player on it. First test in breffni it would have generated more interest to see a local player involved. I'll be going anyways.
Seany Johnston has asked for a transfer to Australia as all he wants to do is play futball, he's got an address in Melbourne and a solicitor is looking into his lineage to see if there's any aboriginal blood there.
Would that count?
Quote from: johnneycool on October 08, 2013, 01:50:16 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2013, 01:15:58 PM
Thought Cavan would have 1 player on it. First test in breffni it would have generated more interest to see a local player involved. I'll be going anyways.
Seany Johnston has asked for a transfer to Australia as all he wants to do is play futball, he's got an address in Melbourne and a solicitor is looking into his lineage to see if there's any aboriginal blood there.
Would that count?
Has he played hurling for Australia yet?
Well Paul can't accused of county bias anyway.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2013, 01:15:58 PM
Thought Cavan would have 1 player on it. First test in breffni it would have generated more interest to see a local player involved. I'll be going anyways.
Think Mackey was in the training panel alright but must not have made it.
Have said it before and it may come with Saffron tinted glasses but I am always mystified why James Loughrey is not on these panels. He is one of the best athletes in Ulster (now Munster), has super handling skills from basketball and can evade tackles very well.
Quote from: CD on October 08, 2013, 01:41:41 PM
Quite surprised to see Paul Conroy there. Had a fairly poor season for Galway. I heard him receive some pretty serious abuse form the Galway fans during the Cork QF. Is he that player the fans love to hate??
He was our best player all year by a country mile and he is an All-Star nominee! You must surely be confusing him with someone else?
Quote from: Glensman on October 08, 2013, 01:56:34 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2013, 01:15:58 PM
Thought Cavan would have 1 player on it. First test in breffni it would have generated more interest to see a local player involved. I'll be going anyways.
Think Mackey was in the training panel alright but must not have made it.
Have said it before and it may come with Saffron tinted glasses but I am always mystified why James Loughrey is not on these panels. He is one of the best athletes in Ulster (now Munster), has super handling skills from basketball and can evade tackles very well.
Yeah himself and Givney were in the training panel. Mackey got a knock 2 weeks ago against Cavan Gaels in the championship so I presume that's why he is out. Though I thought he would have recovered by the 19th.
Loughrey is a quality player
Quote from: CD on October 08, 2013, 01:41:41 PM
Quite surprised to see Paul Conroy there. Had a fairly poor season for Galway. I heard him receive some pretty serious abuse form the Galway fans during the Cork QF. Is he that player the fans love to hate??
Paul Conroy was Galway's best player this year. By an absolute mile. Apart from the Mayo game (which was a bit of a disaster all round) he was superb in pretty much every other game.
Against Waterford when everyone else was struggling he more or else won them the game on his own. Was excellent then against both Armagh and Cork.
Quote from: weareros on October 08, 2013, 01:56:12 PM
Well Paul can't accused of county bias anyway.
I don't think he had much choice :'(
Have to say I'm disgusted to see there are four lads from Mayo playing in this rubbish. We've had enough problems with injuries last season without putting our lads through another couple of meaningless games. >:(
I notice there is nobody from Kerry? First time there has not been a representative? They know what is important.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on October 08, 2013, 01:57:52 PM
Quote from: CD on October 08, 2013, 01:41:41 PM
Quite surprised to see Paul Conroy there. Had a fairly poor season for Galway. I heard him receive some pretty serious abuse form the Galway fans during the Cork QF. Is he that player the fans love to hate??
He was our best player all year by a country mile and he is an All-Star nominee! You must surely be confusing him with someone else?
Only sorta poor game Conroy had was against Mayo. And even then he was one of the few shinning lights. Jez, he finished the season well and is well worth his place!
Thank God Kevin Reilly isn't involved.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 08, 2013, 03:58:44 PM
Thank God Kevin Reilly isn't involved.
Yeah, after all the hardship he has been through.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2013, 02:04:07 PM
Quote from: Glensman on October 08, 2013, 01:56:34 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2013, 01:15:58 PM
Thought Cavan would have 1 player on it. First test in breffni it would have generated more interest to see a local player involved. I'll be going anyways.
Think Mackey was in the training panel alright but must not have made it.
Have said it before and it may come with Saffron tinted glasses but I am always mystified why James Loughrey is not on these panels. He is one of the best athletes in Ulster (now Munster), has super handling skills from basketball and can evade tackles very well.
Yeah himself and Givney were in the training panel. Mackey got a knock 2 weeks ago against Cavan Gaels in the championship so I presume that's why he is out. Though I thought he would have recovered by the 19th.
Loughrey is a quality player
Think a lot of people in Cavan wont bother go to this. Having a Cavan player on the panel might have enticed some like me but I won't be driving half way across the country to watch now.
panels looks pretty good, though is colm boyle of mayo not abit small for this, Some guys injured, some guys in club football not involved, Seamus O`Shea with his speed might been better suited than the brother, brendan Murphy of carlow, MD McCauley likely another involved in club football, Cooper and E bradley probably 2 lads could been there, Did martin Clarke not make himself available or is he injured
On another note looking at the team, it could be the biggest team to represent the country depending on selection, some very big men in there
Disappointed that McKeever is going to play in this abortion of a game but happy as hell Clarke won't be near it.
Not a Kerryman in sight, speaks volumes about their focus and fair play to them for it.
James loughrey would be ideal for this game.
McKeever was terrible against this year against Cavan, although I didn't see him play in any other games. He is a regular with the International Rules anyways. Captain in 2011 down Under. Played decent then
Few of the Kerry players have club commitments. Martin Clarke injured and Tommy Walsh. Big spread of players, 15 counties
I don't know why people think players are more likely to sustain injuries in these two games. You think all the games a player might play throughout the year, all the training, all the weights, some probably play other sports in the winter. Don't see why players would not play because of the fear of injury.
Looking at the team, there a number of surprising inclusions, Kevin McLoughlin, Ciaran Byrne, Johnny Doyle, Ciaran Kilkenny, Michael Shields, Ross Munnelly, Daithi Waters, wouldn't have expected to see any of them. But I don't know what's going in trials and training.
Biggest omission is Kevin Reilly. Maybe opted not to play himself. A veteran of four series though and in his prime, you would think he would have been one of the first Paul Earley was on the phone too.
Quote from: Sea The Stars on October 08, 2013, 06:45:04 PM
I don't know why people think players are more likely to sustain injuries in these two games. You think all the games a player might play throughout the year, all the training, all the weights, some probably play other sports in the winter. Don't see why players would not play because of the fear of injury.
Because they will be up against professional athletes that apparently hit harder than any gaelic footballer. Its no place for the smaller,lighter player thats for sure.
I could never work out why some people got so annoyed by these games. It's not like anyone is being forced to watch them. To me it's a nice opportunity for players to represent their country and to pit themselves against professional athletes from another country. It has attracted good crowds over the years and has produced some decent games. It's always good to see the very best players come together.
It's a decent enough Irish panel and by the sounds of it a decent squad from Australia. It needs to be after a poor showing the last time in which Ireland actually physically dominated them. The Irish teams are much more physically strong than the teams that got bullied for a few of the series and it would be good to see a bit of the physical element return (obviously within reason).
It would actually be good to have 2 threads on the game. One could be used so the anti int rules boys can articulate how much they hate the games and wouldn't cross the road to see it. They can discuss how it ruined the railway cup which was such a success in terms of crowds last year when the int rules wasn't played. The other could be used to discuss the teams and the games.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 08, 2013, 03:58:17 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on October 08, 2013, 01:57:52 PM
Quote from: CD on October 08, 2013, 01:41:41 PM
Quite surprised to see Paul Conroy there. Had a fairly poor season for Galway. I heard him receive some pretty serious abuse form the Galway fans during the Cork QF. Is he that player the fans love to hate??
He was our best player all year by a country mile and he is an All-Star nominee! You must surely be confusing him with someone else?
Only sorta poor game Conroy had was against Mayo. And even then he was one of the few shinning lights. Jez, he finished the season well and is well worth his place!
It was definitely him that the Galway fans around me were having a go at - they gave him serious abuse throughout that game - I was really surprised because I had always thought he was a really good player. He was poor in the second half of that game in fairness - looked knackered after 40 minutes. It was nothing compared to the abuse Joe Sheridan got and I heard a lot of Cork fans having a go at Aidan Walsh as well and Tyrone fans slating Colm Cavanagh. It always bugs me when I hear that - these guys are all out bursting a gut!
Quote from: Redhand Santa on October 08, 2013, 07:27:39 PM
I could never work out why some people got so annoyed by these games. It's not like anyone is being forced to watch them. To me it's a nice opportunity for players to represent their country and to pit themselves against professional athletes from another country. It has attracted good crowds over the years and has produced some decent games. It's always good to see the very best players come together.
It's a decent enough Irish panel and by the sounds of it a decent squad from Australia. It needs to be after a poor showing the last time in which Ireland actually physically dominated them. The Irish teams are much more physically strong than the teams that got bullied for a few of the series and it would be good to see a bit of the physical element return (obviously within reason).
It would actually be good to have 2 threads on the game. One could be used so the anti int rules boys can articulate how much they hate the games and wouldn't cross the road to see it. They can discuss how it ruined the railway cup which was such a success in terms of crowds last year when the int rules wasn't played. The other could be used to discuss the teams and the games.
Can't figure it out either.
I think netball is crap, but I don't seek out netball threads on websites to tell them how awful I think their game is.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 08, 2013, 05:33:40 PM
panels looks pretty good, though is colm boyle of mayo not abit small for this, Some guys injured, some guys in club football not involved, Seamus O`Shea with his speed might been better suited than the brother, brendan Murphy of carlow, MD McCauley likely another involved in club football, Cooper and E bradley probably 2 lads could been there, Did martin Clarke not make himself available or is he injured
Boyler will hit harder than half the lads on the panel.
Surprised to see McLoughlin and AOS involved considering they are still involved in club championship.
Quote from: AFS on October 08, 2013, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2013, 05:58:19 PM
McKeever
Fixed for you there. McKeever's experience of the game is probably what has him included. Hasn't been in great form for a while with Armagh, and will likely miss the first test with the county final on the following day.
With a few exceptions, that looks like a very big panel. Some of those lads wouldn't be great movers. Thought the trend in recent years was heading away from big men and towards faster, more mobile players.
Nah, McKeever was more noticeable than anyone else. Looked fckd after 20 minutes.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2013, 08:28:52 PM
Quote from: AFS on October 08, 2013, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2013, 05:58:19 PM
McKeever
Fixed for you there. McKeever's experience of the game is probably what has him included. Hasn't been in great form for a while with Armagh, and will likely miss the first test with the county final on the following day.
With a few exceptions, that looks like a very big panel. Some of those lads wouldn't be great movers. Thought the trend in recent years was heading away from big men and towards faster, more mobile players.
Nah, McKeever was more noticeable than anyone else. Looked fckd after 20 minutes.
Speaking of McKeevers and putting those Saffron tinted glasses on again...no place for Niall McKeever? Had heard he may be coming home but not sure.
Had thought of McKeever myself
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 08, 2013, 07:02:53 PM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on October 08, 2013, 06:45:04 PM
I don't know why people think players are more likely to sustain injuries in these two games. You think all the games a player might play throughout the year, all the training, all the weights, some probably play other sports in the winter. Don't see why players would not play because of the fear of injury.
Because they will be up against professional athletes that apparently hit harder than any gaelic footballer. Its no place for the smaller,lighter player thats for sure.
The Australian squad are a team of runts (with a few notable exceptions).
If want to see some fighting get one of the Irish lads to make a racist comment - that will bring on the biffo. It would be a good blue methinks - most of the Aboriginal lads have some idea how to fight.
The Donegal co final date has not been moved so Murph will be playing a limited part (if any) in the first test. In fairness to the CCC, they had very little wriggle room with the fixtures with the Ulster club championship schedule fixed.
Quote from: StephenC on October 09, 2013, 09:18:40 AM
The Donegal co final date has not been moved so Murph will be playing a limited part (if any) in the first test. In fairness to the CCC, they had very little wriggle room with the fixtures with the Ulster club championship schedule fixed.
Why is it taking an eternity to complete the Donegal Championship? Was there not a few rounds played in April. Donegal were out of the championship in early August.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 09, 2013, 01:30:19 PM
Quote from: StephenC on October 09, 2013, 09:18:40 AM
The Donegal co final date has not been moved so Murph will be playing a limited part (if any) in the first test. In fairness to the CCC, they had very little wriggle room with the fixtures with the Ulster club championship schedule fixed.
Why is it taking an eternity to complete the Donegal Championship? Was there not a few rounds played in April. Donegal were out of the championship in early August.
They have a group stage of 4 teams I think and then ye just went enter the QF stage after that. So three games to get to the QF
Quote from: theticklemister on October 09, 2013, 01:33:13 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 09, 2013, 01:30:19 PM
Quote from: StephenC on October 09, 2013, 09:18:40 AM
The Donegal co final date has not been moved so Murph will be playing a limited part (if any) in the first test. In fairness to the CCC, they had very little wriggle room with the fixtures with the Ulster club championship schedule fixed.
Why is it taking an eternity to complete the Donegal Championship? Was there not a few rounds played in April. Donegal were out of the championship in early August.
They have a group stage of 4 teams I think and then ye just went enter the QF stage after that. So three games to get to the QF
Was there not 3 rounds run off in April? I know in Dublin a few big name clubs like Plunketts were out in April
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 09, 2013, 01:39:43 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 09, 2013, 01:33:13 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 09, 2013, 01:30:19 PM
Quote from: StephenC on October 09, 2013, 09:18:40 AM
The Donegal co final date has not been moved so Murph will be playing a limited part (if any) in the first test. In fairness to the CCC, they had very little wriggle room with the fixtures with the Ulster club championship schedule fixed.
Why is it taking an eternity to complete the Donegal Championship? Was there not a few rounds played in April. Donegal were out of the championship in early August.
I heard Sean cavanagh was doing a few coaching sessions on the tackle.
They have a group stage of 4 teams I think and then ye just went enter the QF stage after that. So three games to get to the QF
Was there not 3 rounds run off in April? I know in Dublin a few big name clubs like Plunketts were out in April
Hope they kick the dung out of each other.
Quote from: rrhf on October 09, 2013, 11:19:26 PM
Hope they kick the dung out of each other.
you hope our county footballers get the dung kicked out of them by the pro's from australia, really? cool
It's all set up for a good old fashioned racism scandal.
Quote from: J OGorman on October 10, 2013, 09:35:15 AM
Quote from: rrhf on October 09, 2013, 11:19:26 PM
Hope they kick the dung out of each other.
you hope our county footballers get the dung kicked out of them by the pro's from australia, really? cool
Well if you want to box, lets box!
I just find this whole 'representing your country' schtick from the players a bit shallow.
They should feel in no way inferior just because gaelic football does not have a true international dimension.
I doubt Tom Brady of the New England Patriots or Alex Rodriguez of the New York Yankees lie awake at night dreaming of the day they get to represent the USA in football or baseball.
A lot of players are moaning now that Michael Murphy is being forced to choose between a championship final with his club and playing in the makey-uppey rules series.
Some of them would want a reality check.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 10, 2013, 11:31:40 AM
I just find this whole 'representing your country' schtick from the players a bit shallow.
They should feel in no way inferior just because gaelic football does not have a true international dimension.
I doubt Tom Brady of the New England Patriots or Alex Rodriguez of the New York Yankees lie awake at night dreaming of the day they get to represent the USA in football or baseball.
A lot of players are moaning now that Michael Murphy is being forced to choose between a championship final with his club and playing in the makey-uppey rules series.
Some of them would want a reality check.
Let's not get to comparing the size of our schticks.
I'm sure if the US got American Football on the Olympic schedule the likes of Tom Brady would be happy enough to tag along.
Quote from: muppet on October 10, 2013, 01:04:10 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 10, 2013, 11:31:40 AM
I just find this whole 'representing your country' schtick from the players a bit shallow.
They should feel in no way inferior just because gaelic football does not have a true international dimension.
I doubt Tom Brady of the New England Patriots or Alex Rodriguez of the New York Yankees lie awake at night dreaming of the day they get to represent the USA in football or baseball.
A lot of players are moaning now that Michael Murphy is being forced to choose between a championship final with his club and playing in the makey-uppey rules series.
Some of them would want a reality check.
Let's not get to comparing the size of our schticks.
I'm sure if the US got American Football on the Olympic schedule the likes of Tom Brady would be happy enough to tag along.
Yeah but it wont and you don't see them making up hybrid games just for the sake of it.
Quote from: rrhf on October 10, 2013, 10:52:32 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on October 10, 2013, 09:35:15 AM
Quote from: rrhf on October 09, 2013, 11:19:26 PM
Hope they kick the dung out of each other.
you hope our county footballers get the dung kicked out of them by the pro's from australia, really? cool
Well if you want to box, lets box!
It's the only thing that makes it watchable.
It's poor enough to watch on TV but its worse to watch live.
Quote from: tommysmith on October 10, 2013, 01:34:37 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 10, 2013, 01:04:10 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 10, 2013, 11:31:40 AM
I just find this whole 'representing your country' schtick from the players a bit shallow.
They should feel in no way inferior just because gaelic football does not have a true international dimension.
I doubt Tom Brady of the New England Patriots or Alex Rodriguez of the New York Yankees lie awake at night dreaming of the day they get to represent the USA in football or baseball.
A lot of players are moaning now that Michael Murphy is being forced to choose between a championship final with his club and playing in the makey-uppey rules series.
Some of them would want a reality check.
Let's not get to comparing the size of our schticks.
I'm sure if the US got American Football on the Olympic schedule the likes of Tom Brady would be happy enough to tag along.
Yeah but it wont and you don't see them making up hybrid games just for the sake of it.
Really?
Where do you think all of these games came from? Did the Red Indians play American Football?
I don't give two flying fcuks what Jinxy or Tommysmith or Tom Brady or any other floot thinks - I'm going to Breffni and am seriously considering Croker as well.
So there !!!!
I'm a fan of the general concept, and went to watch it in croker in 06 and 2010 when on, though it was poor enough fair to be honest.
What I don't agree with is the talk about county final getting moved. Maybe other club games, but not championship, certainly not finals. Put it this way, karl lacey has made the papers by tweeting nonsense about the disgrace of murphy having to choose between club and country! what is a disgrace is idea of moving it to accommodate one man. Killybegs have rightly refused, as they have an anniversary dinner that night where past players are flying in from abroad as this date has been set in stone. Why should they agree to a move?
Because intercounty players are starting to believe their own hype.
In playing terms, you're born out of your club and you'll go back there to die.
They'd do well to remember that.
I've been to two International Living matches and thoroughly enjoyed them both. It's rare to go to Croke Park and find everyone rooting for the same team. I'd add this caveat. When I said as much to a Kerry man of my acquaintance in college at the time, a quiet-spoken man not inclined to be a Kingdom blowhard like some I could mention, he grimaced and said "it's bit bland if you ask me". It's not for everyone.
Yeah it's nothing without the brawling, the only redeemable feature really.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 10, 2013, 11:31:40 AM
I just find this whole 'representing your country' schtick from the players a bit shallow.
They should feel in no way inferior just because gaelic football does not have a true international dimension.
I doubt Tom Brady of the New England Patriots or Alex Rodriguez of the New York Yankees lie awake at night dreaming of the day they get to represent the USA in football or baseball.
A lot of players are moaning now that Michael Murphy is being forced to choose between a championship final with his club and playing in the makey-uppey rules series.
Some of them would want a reality check.
Totally agree. You can't just drop everything at this time of the year, especially much respected County finals? If there was a level of respect from the Aussies for the game both on and off the field you might feel guilty about it. But this has just been reduced to a novelty road show by the Aussies this year.
Look I wish the economy of Cavan well over the weekend. If there is a big crowd hopefully they will boost the local economy there.
County final scenario is a joke anyway. Most counties should have them played by this weekend. Dublin, Mayo few like that being an exception.
Quote from: tommysmith on October 10, 2013, 01:34:37 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 10, 2013, 01:04:10 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 10, 2013, 11:31:40 AM
I just find this whole 'representing your country' schtick from the players a bit shallow.
They should feel in no way inferior just because gaelic football does not have a true international dimension.
I doubt Tom Brady of the New England Patriots or Alex Rodriguez of the New York Yankees lie awake at night dreaming of the day they get to represent the USA in football or baseball.
A lot of players are moaning now that Michael Murphy is being forced to choose between a championship final with his club and playing in the makey-uppey rules series.
Some of them would want a reality check.
Let's not get to comparing the size of our schticks.
I'm sure if the US got American Football on the Olympic schedule the likes of Tom Brady would be happy enough to tag along.
Yeah but it wont and you don't see them making up hybrid games just for the sake of it.
I wouldn't be so sure about that Tommy...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmcTGvBFMVM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmcTGvBFMVM)
Do ye all realise the damage this does to club football
Quote from: rrhf on October 10, 2013, 06:04:58 PM
Do ye all realise the damage this does to club football
Yes.
Everyone will up schticks and head to Cavan to watch it, in preference to even togging out let alone watching the Club Championship.
The jewel of the crown in the GAA isn't get a chance here lads.
club football should be long over come october
And why is it not?
Because of lax boards. Wouldn't be possible to have it long over by October, but the first weekend or this weekend should be the latest for County finals, bar Counties who were involved in the All Ireland final and maybe Semi finalists.
Ciaran McKeeer playing the County final next week? What was the big hold up for...
Club football should start 1st week of march and be wrapped up for the end of September, there is plenty of time to fit in the games, this round robin (not straight knockout) championship delays games, not starting the county championship early enough too, There no real reason to hold off championship games with your county still in the all-ireland championship, most of our county players were getting kayoed at training not playing for their club (a few exceptions of course)
Would agree club football should start in March in all counties if possible, started in February this year in Cavan
There was no need for McKeever or Murphy to be missing the first test, but that's the way it will be now. It wasn't as if AFL chiefs met with the GAA last week and decided to play the first test on the 19th, that was known a long time ago.
I'd agree that the club championships should be run off by september but the clash with the IR series is a non-issue for me.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 11, 2013, 11:09:04 AM
I'd agree that the club championships should be run off by september but the clash with the IR series is a non-issue for me.
You're expelling a lot of air on this "non issue" ::)
Hope they bate the dung out of each other
Colm O'Rourke hits the nail on the head in the whole club v country debate in todays Sindo.
The longer club football goes on the better keeps me busy on a sunday.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 13, 2013, 11:41:16 AM
Colm O'Rourke hits the nail on the head in the whole club v country debate in todays Sindo.
What is his general jist?
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 13, 2013, 01:45:40 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 13, 2013, 11:41:16 AM
Colm O'Rourke hits the nail on the head in the whole club v country debate in todays Sindo.
What is his general jist?
(http://www.ipodphysics.com/resources/hammer.jpg)
Quote from: tommysmith on October 13, 2013, 12:20:33 PM
The longer club football goes on the better keeps me busy on a sunday.
You must be a referee so tommy ;D
Yeah shame that lads think it needs curtailed for this crap
Quote from: rrhf on October 11, 2013, 11:22:39 PM
Hope they bate the dung out of each other
couple of broken jaws to a couple of our boys do the job for ye?
Quote from: moysider on October 14, 2013, 12:12:31 AM
Quote from: tommysmith on October 13, 2013, 12:20:33 PM
The longer club football goes on the better keeps me busy on a sunday.
You must be a referee so tommy ;D
Just like going to matches.
I'll be in Croke Park along with Young Biff. I went to most of the games in the 80's and 90's and junior has been to the last few series in Ireland. It's great to be able to support an Ireland team when we have no doubt that they will put in a performance full of skill and genuine effort (unlike some other codes).
To those who dont like it - that's your prerogative but I would not extend that privilege to running the IR fans down.
Think of how so many players support the IR Series. If they are game for the challenge, then I am game to show them some support in return.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to try to do some traditional badger-baiting on the BigFooty forum.
Come on Ireland.
The young lad is mad keen to head up to this, the Ads on the telly has got his attention. He went to the last one in Croker and remembers it well.
Might head to second game in Dublin as up in the capital that day anyway.
Can take it or leave it and wouldn't expect a classic game of free flowing football but sure the young lad will be happy to support Ireland for the day.
Don't know why so many have a problem with it. It's something different. The are guaranteed good crowds, Breffni will be a sell out on Saturday.
Railway Cup final was held in Croke Park earlier this year ,and they had time to advertise it as there was no International Rules last year, it got a dire crowd of less then 2,000...
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 14, 2013, 01:48:59 PM
Don't know why so many have a problem with it. It's something different.
Your second sentence probably explains why.
The backwoods begrudgers don't like anything different. Mention the words " new" or "change" to them and it sends them into convulsions of terror.
Notice how everything they don't like is always "shite".
Anyway they won't be missed at either venue.
My issues with it are
a) IMO it's a horrible game, and the tackling and pseudo soccer arsing about looks ridiculous.
b) I hate the fact that we are putting amateur players in the position where they can be hurt by professional athletes, who at times have looked like hurting the Irish lads was their sole intention.
Other than that I'm oblivious to it. Anyone who watches it and likes it, fair play. Different Strokes and all that. I just don't understand why the GAA feels the need to promote a bastardised game which is neither fish nor fowl, and puts our players at risk to boot.
Does that make me a backwoods man? I hadn't considered myself as such, but sure maybe it does. If it does then so be it.
From the recent few series the OTT hits have gone from it and they just play the game.
Yeah, maybe so. But my understanding from reading stuff here is that the Aussies seem to have lost interest in it since the headhunting was removed. If that's the case, it sort of reinforces point a. They don't seem enamoured with it either.
Yeah, they went with a different approach this year with the indigenous team. Although it seemed to have been indigenous players who have been the better players for the Australians in recent years. They should be fairly competitive , hopefully
Fair enough, maybe I'll take a look at it. If it became a free flowing game then it might be worth supporting. The bits that I hate, which stick in my mind, are the ridiculous sight of inter county footballers dribbling soccer style to avoid being hit by one of those big physical tackles, which I think makes the game look silly and also I still feel anger and disgust at our organisation for putting the players in harms way like the last series I watched, where Graham Geraghty got absolutely mugged. That was the day I gave up on it.
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 14, 2013, 02:33:14 PM
My issues with it are
a) IMO it's a horrible game, and the tackling and pseudo soccer arsing about looks ridiculous.
b) I hate the fact that we are putting amateur players in the position where they can be hurt by professional athletes, who at times have looked like hurting the Irish lads was their sole intention.
Other than that I'm oblivious to it. Anyone who watches it and likes it, fair play. Different Strokes and all that. I just don't understand why the GAA feels the need to promote a bastardised game which is neither fish nor fowl, and puts our players at risk to boot.
Does that make me a backwoods man? I hadn't considered myself as such, but sure maybe it does. If it does then so be it.
Wouldn't have had you in mind AZ.
Anyway you've stated your reasons , intelligently and logically why you're not a fan.
I was thinking of the " "load of crap" "dung" "shite" "hope they get their jaws broken" type of stuff whenever this comes up.
Why don't they just ignore the thread FFS??
As for me I like it up to a point and once every 3 years makes it a novelty event. Also it gives the GAA another month of coverage in the daily papers/RTE and saves us from wall to wall soccer and rugby for one month at least. As well it gives Footballers a chance to represent the Country.
Like Christmas/Bonfire night/St Patricks Day etc once in a while is grand but wouldn't want to watch it every week or anything like that.
The Australian Squad that was named last week, Adam Goodes not able to play but some big name AFL players included
LANCE Franklin, Daniel Wells, Steven Motlop and Lindsay Thomas headline the Indigenous Australian Rules team that will take on Ireland later this month.
The AFL announced the Indigenous team ahead of its departure this Saturday for the International Rules Series in Ireland.
Sydney Swans great Michael O'Loughlin will coach the Indigenous team, with support from a senior coaching panel comprising Rodney Eade, Tadhg Kennelly and Andrew McLeod.
The International Rules Series will be contested over two Test matches, at Breffni Park in Cavan on October 19 and Dublin at Croke Park on October 26.
O'Loughlin confirmed on Tuesday Franklin would miss the second Test, having committed to returning home for the wedding of former Hawthorn teammate Brent Guerra on the same day.
"We can't wait to chuck that (Australian) jumper on and I know Buddy's extremely excited about it. We'll take Buddy anyway we can get him," O'Loughlin told AFL.com.au's Gillette Trade Radio.
"It's been one of those things where the rest of the players have been looking forward to playing with him.
"Obviously, being such a high-profile player himself I think it's going to be an amazing experience, not just for the team but for Buddy as well."
Supported by Coles and the National Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisation (NACCHO), the Indigenous team will train in Melbourne on Friday.
AFL football operations manager Mark Evans said this year's International Rules Series was a historic one.
"The series is a fantastic opportunity for the Indigenous All-Stars to come together as a team and to represent Australia for the first time in the International Rules series against Ireland," Evans said.
In the most recent series in Ireland in 2010, Australia secured a 2-0 victory under former coach Mick Malthouse, before losing 2-0 in Australia in 2011.
Indigenous Australian Rules team:
•Tony Armstrong (Sydney Swans)
•Dominic Barry (Melbourne)
•Eddie Betts (Adelaide)
•Alwyn Davey (Essendon)
•Aaron Davey (Melbourne)
•Shaun Edwards (GWS)
•Cameron Ellis-Yolmen (Adelaide)
•Lance Franklin
•Jarrod Harbrow (Gold Coast)
•Joshua Hill (West Coast)
•Leroy Jetta (Essendon)
•Lewis Jetta (Sydney Swans)
•Nathan Lovett-Murray (Essendon)
•Ashley McGrath (Brisbane Lions)
•Steven Motlop (Geelong)
•Jake Neade (Port Adelaide)
•Mathew Stokes (Geelong)
•Lindsay Thomas (North Melbourne)
•Sharrod Wellingham (West Coast)
•Daniel Wells (North Melbourne)
•Christopher Yarran (Carlton
Earley has announced his match day panel:
Michael Murphy, Donegal - CAPTAIN
Aidan Walsh, Cork - VICE CAPTAIN
Paddy O' Rourke, Meath
Colm Begley, Laois
Colm Boyle, Mayo
Ciaran Byrne, Louth
Sean Cavanagh, Tyrone
Paul Conroy, Galway
Paul Flynn, Dublin
Finian Hanley, Galway
Lee Keegan, Mayo
Ciaran Kilkenny, Dublin
Paddy McBrearty, Donegal
Jack McCaffrey, Dublin
Neil McGee, Donegal
Chrissy McKaigue, Derry
Kevin McLoughlin, Mayo
Conor McManus, Monaghan
Ross Munnelly, Laois
Aidan O'Shea, Mayo
Ciarán Sheehan, Cork
Michael Shields, Cork
Zach Tuohy, Carlton & Laois
Quote from: The Biff on October 14, 2013, 11:33:15 AM
I'll be in Croke Park along with Young Biff. I went to most of the games in the 80's and 90's and junior has been to the last few series in Ireland. It's great to be able to support an Ireland team when we have no doubt that they will put in a performance full of skill and genuine effort (unlike some other codes).
To those who dont like it - that's your prerogative but I would not extend that privilege to running the IR fans down.
Think of how so many players support the IR Series. If they are game for the challenge, then I am game to show them some support in return.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to try to do some traditional badger-baiting on the BigFooty forum.
Come on Ireland.
What rock did you crawl out from under? Jez, you compare this lame excuse for international football to the real stuff? This is no world cup qualifier or a six nations match. Here is some home truths. There are no Kerry players in the squad. In fact the best player in the country Colin Copper won't go near the series. So there goes your pride argument in one foul swoop. The Aussies don't care, they had to invent this indigenous lark to try and entice a group to fulfill the fixture. It's interfering with most of these lads holidays with their family and friends. So don't give me this belittling lark about our other National teams. They are often the small fish in the big pond and more than often punch way above their weight.
Darren O Sullivan had club commitments and also has to have surgery so couldn't play. Not sure about other players, Cooper played in it a long time ago and didn't feel the game was for him. Should it stop because of that? Lots of other big name players play and are keen to play.
How is it inferring with holidays, its not like they were told last week that this series was ahead. And if it was inferring that much they would go on holidays, they are not being held at knife point to play.
well whatever about soccer, rugby has 10 serious international teams (13 if u wanna count the pacific island), and we are not even in the top half of that group.
Actually big miss that adam goodes isn't playing, he has been the real big name, he was brilliant in the last series over here. Don't know much about this franklin guy as havn't followed AFL as much in recent years
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 14, 2013, 09:17:52 PM
Darren O Sullivan had club commitments and also has to have surgery so couldn't play. Not sure about other players, Cooper played in it a long time ago and didn't feel the game was for him. Should it stop because of that? Lots of other big name players play and are keen to play.
How is it inferring with holidays, its not like they were told last week that this series was ahead. And if it was inferring that much they would go on holidays, they are not being held at knife point to play.
Sounds familiar with Darran, had the same problem the last time?
Breaffy will be praying AOS comes through un-scathed.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 14, 2013, 10:16:25 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 14, 2013, 09:17:52 PM
Darren O Sullivan had club commitments and also has to have surgery so couldn't play. Not sure about other players, Cooper played in it a long time ago and didn't feel the game was for him. Should it stop because of that? Lots of other big name players play and are keen to play.
How is it inferring with holidays, its not like they were told last week that this series was ahead. And if it was inferring that much they would go on holidays, they are not being held at knife point to play.
Sounds familiar with Darran, had the same problem the last time?
Yep, article here http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishexaminer.com%2Fsport%2Fgaa%2Fbusy-osullivan-to-miss-international-rules-244501.html&ei=7WJcUuC4GMnA7Aa16YCgDw&usg=AFQjCNHTDLV7I0kbzYcLQ85PKAXEsSeGPw&bvm=bv.53899372,d.ZGU
Quote from: Orchardman on October 14, 2013, 09:20:09 PM
well whatever about soccer, rugby has 10 serious international teams (13 if u wanna count the pacific island), and we are not even in the top half of that group.
Actually big miss that adam goodes isn't playing, he has been the real big name, he was brilliant in the last series over here. Don't know much about this franklin guy as havn't followed AFL as much in recent years
Franklin is the biggest name in AFL. Has just moved from Hawthorn to Sydney (signed for nine years for $10 million). Franklin is 196 cms and weighs 100 kgs and unless there is a Irish lad with freakish speed is likely to be the quickest lad on the park in a straight line.
I must admit I used to really enjoy this.
I think the rules are generally good. I think the tackle is clear cut and unambiguous, don't get caught in possession or be prepared for a hit. When played properly its tough and fast and fair and our lads are well able for it. I remember Darren Fay and Sean Marty Lockhart becoming heroes of mine for some absolutely awesome defensive displays. I'm not keen on the mark - fine for forward passes over a certain distance, but a bit of a nonsense for sideways or even backwards passes.
The violence did ruin it. That was nothing to do with the game itself. Of course its easy to blame the initial aggressors, the Aussies, and rightly so, but just as much to blame were the referrees who refused to punish them at the time, just encouraging both sides to "go at it" even more. If 3 or 4 red cards had been correctly dished out to the Aussies, then their plan would have backfired spectacularly.
Its been a bit tame (to say the least) since, but I'll give it another go this year.
Quote from: Hound on October 15, 2013, 09:44:24 AM
I must admit I used to really enjoy this.
I think the rules are generally good. I think the tackle is clear cut and unambiguous, don't get caught in possession or be prepared for a hit. When played properly its tough and fast and fair and our lads are well able for it. I remember Darren Fay and Sean Marty Lockhart becoming heroes of mine for some absolutely awesome defensive displays. I'm not keen on the mark - fine for forward passes over a certain distance, but a bit of a nonsense for sideways or even backwards passes.
The violence did ruin it. That was nothing to do with the game itself. Of course its easy to blame the initial aggressors, the Aussies, and rightly so, but just as much to blame were the referrees who refused to punish them at the time, just encouraging both sides to "go at it" even more. If 3 or 4 red cards had been correctly dished out to the Aussies, then their plan would have backfired spectacularly.
Its been a bit tame (to say the least) since, but I'll give it another go this year.
Hound, do you not find the sight of our lads dribbling soccer style to avoid the tackle a bit silly looking? I think that aspect alone makes the game look and feel like a makey up sport.
Don't think its primarily to avoid tackles, its to speed up play if in possession. Australians not as nimble at the soccer skills. Adds to the entertainment. It wouldn't be every attack they would drop the ball and play soccer , depends on the situation if there was a possibility of a goal , 6 pointer.
Quote from: Hound on October 15, 2013, 09:44:24 AM
I must admit I used to really enjoy this.
I think the rules are generally good. I think the tackle is clear cut and unambiguous, don't get caught in possession or be prepared for a hit. When played properly its tough and fast and fair and our lads are well able for it. I remember Darren Fay and Sean Marty Lockhart becoming heroes of mine for some absolutely awesome defensive displays. I'm not keen on the mark - fine for forward passes over a certain distance, but a bit of a nonsense for sideways or even backwards passes.
The violence did ruin it. That was nothing to do with the game itself. Of course its easy to blame the initial aggressors, the Aussies, and rightly so, but just as much to blame were the referrees who refused to punish them at the time, just encouraging both sides to "go at it" even more. If 3 or 4 red cards had been correctly dished out to the Aussies, then their plan would have backfired spectacularly.
Its been a bit tame (to say the least) since, but I'll give it another go this year.
I thought for that year with the very bad violence there was no sending off rule in International Rules? It's changed now but in Aussie Rules there's still no sending offs.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on October 14, 2013, 09:17:52 PM
Darren O Sullivan had club commitments and also has to have surgery so couldn't play. Not sure about other players, Cooper played in it a long time ago and didn't feel the game was for him. Should it stop because of that? Lots of other big name players play and are keen to play.
How is it inferring with holidays, its not like they were told last week that this series was ahead. And if it was inferring that much they would go on holidays, they are not being held at knife point to play.
Sounds familiar with Darran, had the same problem the last time?
Yep, article here http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishexaminer.com%2Fsport%2Fgaa%2Fbusy-osullivan-to-miss-international-rules-244501.html&ei=7WJcUuC4GMnA7Aa16YCgDw&usg=AFQjCNHTDLV7I0kbzYcLQ85PKAXEsSeGPw&bvm=bv.53899372,d.ZGU
Those idiots in the Irish Examiner think his first name is "Busy"!
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 15, 2013, 09:57:08 AM
Don't think its primarily to avoid tackles, its to speed up play if in possession. Australians not as nimble at the soccer skills. Adds to the entertainment. It wouldn't be every attack they would drop the ball and play soccer , depends on the situation if there was a possibility of a goal , 6 pointer.
Anytime I've seen it it's when they are afraid of being bottled up or dragged down. They dribble it or something and it looks awful. (In my opinion of course :) )
Quote from: blanketattack on October 15, 2013, 10:40:28 AM
Quote from: Hound on October 15, 2013, 09:44:24 AM
I must admit I used to really enjoy this.
I think the rules are generally good. I think the tackle is clear cut and unambiguous, don't get caught in possession or be prepared for a hit. When played properly its tough and fast and fair and our lads are well able for it. I remember Darren Fay and Sean Marty Lockhart becoming heroes of mine for some absolutely awesome defensive displays. I'm not keen on the mark - fine for forward passes over a certain distance, but a bit of a nonsense for sideways or even backwards passes.
The violence did ruin it. That was nothing to do with the game itself. Of course its easy to blame the initial aggressors, the Aussies, and rightly so, but just as much to blame were the referrees who refused to punish them at the time, just encouraging both sides to "go at it" even more. If 3 or 4 red cards had been correctly dished out to the Aussies, then their plan would have backfired spectacularly.
Its been a bit tame (to say the least) since, but I'll give it another go this year.
I thought for that year with the very bad violence there was no sending off rule in International Rules? It's changed now but in Aussie Rules there's still no sending offs.
Apparently so, ha.
He was involved with the Amalgamation side in the Senior final in 2011, Mid Kerry
Darran O'Sullivan has criticised the GAA for not doing more to help players facing a club versus country dilemma.
The Kerry forward, who is in the running for the Footballer of the Year award tomorrow night, will miss out on the chance to represent his country in Australia later this month due to his club commitments with Mid Kerry, who play Dr Crokes in the Kerry SFC final on Sunday week.
"That has to be looked at, that club championships can be put on hold for a few weeks because we are playing an amateur game and we don't get that many opportunities to throw on the Irish jersey," a disappointed O'Sullivan said in the Irish Examiner.
"Playing for Ireland is definitely something that you would look back on after you have retired because representing your country is as good as it gets for a sports person.
"It's not easy for a player to choose between a county final and the International Rules but I know that county finals don't come around too often either, and I will be giving everything for Mid Kerry for the next few weeks.
"It's so disappointing and I know there will be people saying, 'oh, you're chance will come again' but you don't know what the future holds, in terms of form and injuries, or whether the series itself will be around in a few years. I feel like it's an opportunity missed."
Ireland captain Stephen Cluxton, Laois' Colm Begley, Galway's Finian Hanley and Leighton Glynn of Wicklow could also be forced to miss the trip if their clubs are successful this weekend.
Would have been brilliant to have Goodes there but there's a lot of talent in this team. Keep an eye out for speed machine Lewis Jetta. Franklins one of the big names but has been bloing hot and cold between injuries all season. He just signed a controversial contract with the swans. He'll be a handful for whoever's marking him.
Yeah , jotta is well known for his speed. Clips here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJu_xQqHt6E
Some of the best talent in the AFL in the Australian Squad.
Me me me me me me me
Its all about the elite players these days and the average club footballer is expected sit on their arses and be thankful that they get to share a pitch with the elite now and again, when its convenient. See Jim McGuinness has had the Donegal championship cancelled for the summer next year. Who'd want to be a GAA club player.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 15, 2013, 11:31:56 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on October 15, 2013, 10:40:28 AM
Quote from: Hound on October 15, 2013, 09:44:24 AM
I must admit I used to really enjoy this.
I think the rules are generally good. I think the tackle is clear cut and unambiguous, don't get caught in possession or be prepared for a hit. When played properly its tough and fast and fair and our lads are well able for it. I remember Darren Fay and Sean Marty Lockhart becoming heroes of mine for some absolutely awesome defensive displays. I'm not keen on the mark - fine for forward passes over a certain distance, but a bit of a nonsense for sideways or even backwards passes.
The violence did ruin it. That was nothing to do with the game itself. Of course its easy to blame the initial aggressors, the Aussies, and rightly so, but just as much to blame were the referrees who refused to punish them at the time, just encouraging both sides to "go at it" even more. If 3 or 4 red cards had been correctly dished out to the Aussies, then their plan would have backfired spectacularly.
Its been a bit tame (to say the least) since, but I'll give it another go this year.
I thought for that year with the very bad violence there was no sending off rule in International Rules? It's changed now but in Aussie Rules there's still no sending offs.
Apparently so, ha.
He was involved with the Amalgamation side in the Senior final in 2011, Mid Kerry
Darran O'Sullivan has criticised the GAA for not doing more to help players facing a club versus country dilemma.
The Kerry forward, who is in the running for the Footballer of the Year award tomorrow night, will miss out on the chance to represent his country in Australia later this month due to his club commitments with Mid Kerry, who play Dr Crokes in the Kerry SFC final on Sunday week.
"That has to be looked at, that club championships can be put on hold for a few weeks because we are playing an amateur game and we don't get that many opportunities to throw on the Irish jersey," a disappointed O'Sullivan said in the Irish Examiner.
"Playing for Ireland is definitely something that you would look back on after you have retired because representing your country is as good as it gets for a sports person.
"It's not easy for a player to choose between a county final and the International Rules but I know that county finals don't come around too often either, and I will be giving everything for Mid Kerry for the next few weeks.
"It's so disappointing and I know there will be people saying, 'oh, you're chance will come again' but you don't know what the future holds, in terms of form and injuries, or whether the series itself will be around in a few years. I feel like it's an opportunity missed."
Ireland captain Stephen Cluxton, Laois' Colm Begley, Galway's Finian Hanley and Leighton Glynn of Wicklow could also be forced to miss the trip if their clubs are successful this weekend.
Quote from: fearglasmor on October 15, 2013, 01:51:10 PM
Me me me me me me me
Its all about the elite players these days and the average club footballer is expected sit on their arses and be thankful that they get to share a pitch with the elite now and again, when its convenient. See Jim McGuinness has had the Donegal championship cancelled for the summer next year. Who'd want to be a GAA club player.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 15, 2013, 11:31:56 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on October 15, 2013, 10:40:28 AM
Quote from: Hound on October 15, 2013, 09:44:24 AM
I must admit I used to really enjoy this.
I think the rules are generally good. I think the tackle is clear cut and unambiguous, don't get caught in possession or be prepared for a hit. When played properly its tough and fast and fair and our lads are well able for it. I remember Darren Fay and Sean Marty Lockhart becoming heroes of mine for some absolutely awesome defensive displays. I'm not keen on the mark - fine for forward passes over a certain distance, but a bit of a nonsense for sideways or even backwards passes.
The violence did ruin it. That was nothing to do with the game itself. Of course its easy to blame the initial aggressors, the Aussies, and rightly so, but just as much to blame were the referrees who refused to punish them at the time, just encouraging both sides to "go at it" even more. If 3 or 4 red cards had been correctly dished out to the Aussies, then their plan would have backfired spectacularly.
Its been a bit tame (to say the least) since, but I'll give it another go this year.
I thought for that year with the very bad violence there was no sending off rule in International Rules? It's changed now but in Aussie Rules there's still no sending offs.
Apparently so, ha.
He was involved with the Amalgamation side in the Senior final in 2011, Mid Kerry
Darran O'Sullivan has criticised the GAA for not doing more to help players facing a club versus country dilemma.
The Kerry forward, who is in the running for the Footballer of the Year award tomorrow night, will miss out on the chance to represent his country in Australia later this month due to his club commitments with Mid Kerry, who play Dr Crokes in the Kerry SFC final on Sunday week.
"That has to be looked at, that club championships can be put on hold for a few weeks because we are playing an amateur game and we don't get that many opportunities to throw on the Irish jersey," a disappointed O'Sullivan said in the Irish Examiner.
"Playing for Ireland is definitely something that you would look back on after you have retired because representing your country is as good as it gets for a sports person.
"It's not easy for a player to choose between a county final and the International Rules but I know that county finals don't come around too often either, and I will be giving everything for Mid Kerry for the next few weeks.
"It's so disappointing and I know there will be people saying, 'oh, you're chance will come again' but you don't know what the future holds, in terms of form and injuries, or whether the series itself will be around in a few years. I feel like it's an opportunity missed."
Ireland captain Stephen Cluxton, Laois' Colm Begley, Galway's Finian Hanley and Leighton Glynn of Wicklow could also be forced to miss the trip if their clubs are successful this weekend.
Me me me me me.
I am an average club footballer and I want everyone to dance to my tune....club, county and country. And I know I will win! ;D
Two can play at that game Fear.
It's called democracy muppet. How many club players are there, and how many county players? The tail definitely wags the dog in the GAA, because the money and exposure linked to the county game is so much more than the club game.
Most proposals for restructuring the inter county games seem to centre on having more games, be that champions league type groups or whatever. The obvious implication there is that the club fixtures would have to, again, adapt and accomodate these extra games.
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 15, 2013, 02:53:12 PM
It's called democracy muppet. How many club players are there, and how many county players? The tail definitely wags the dog in the GAA, because the money and exposure linked to the county game is so much more than the club game.
Most proposals for restructuring the inter county games seem to centre on having more games, be that champions league type groups or whatever. The obvious implication there is that the club fixtures would have to, again, adapt and accomodate these extra games.
I was only pointing out that Fear's search for a victim argument works both ways.
And in fairness this has nothing to do with democracy. There hasn't been a motion anywhere let alone a vote, unless someone can point me to one.
In the sense that the majority, the vast majority, seem to be regularly discommoded in order to allow for more games for the few (higher level and higher profile). I can't imagine that's a popular situation. However as you say, probably very few or no motions to address it. I know it's one of Zulu's bugbears.
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 15, 2013, 09:18:10 PM
In the sense that the majority, the vast majority, seem to be regularly discommoded in order to allow for more games for the few (higher level and higher profile). I can't imagine that's a popular situation. However as you say, probably very few or no motions to address it. I know it's one of Zulu's bugbears.
The club scheduling shambles is mainly due to the local democracies acting independently of the provincial democracies who then act independently of the central democracy.
+1 muppet.
Every year we have player availability rows at this time because of flip-flopping, disorganised, shoddy county boards frantically trying to tie up loose ends due to a farcical lack of organisation throughout the season.
To mothball club action completely in a county during the championship is ridiculous and nonsensical when you'd have county teams waiting four or maybe five weeks between games. It's scandalous and until the club players organise as a collective and demand better treatment it will continue, largely at the behest of dictatorial intercounty managers and officials trying to appease them.
How many games on average to win one's local SFC? 6/7? And it takes four or five months to complete? Shambolic.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 16, 2013, 01:52:02 AM
+1 muppet.
Every year we have player availability rows at this time because of flip-flopping, disorganised, shoddy county boards frantically trying to tie up loose ends due to a farcical lack of organisation throughout the season.
To mothball club action completely in a county during the championship is ridiculous and nonsensical when you'd have county teams waiting four or maybe five weeks between games. It's scandalous and until the club players organise as a collective and demand better treatment it will continue, largely at the behest of dictatorial intercounty managers and officials trying to appease them.
How many games on average to win one's local SFC? 6/7? And it takes four or five months to complete? Shambolic.
+1.. Load of balls County Championships taking so long to complete.
Cavan championship was run off over about 10 weeks this year.
Wasn't referring to Cavan , Counties like Armagh and Donegal, Laois.
And i thought the tyrone club fixtures were the only ones that were a sham....
The Tyrone Championship started after Tyrone exited the championship. and the final was played last week, an improvement on those other counties.
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 15, 2013, 02:53:12 PM
It's called democracy muppet. How many club players are there, and how many county players? The tail definitely wags the dog in the GAA, because the money and exposure linked to the county game is so much more than the club game.
Most proposals for restructuring the inter county games seem to centre on having more games, be that champions league type groups or whatever. The obvious implication there is that the club fixtures would have to, again, adapt and accomodate these extra games.
2% of GAA players are county Players
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 16, 2013, 08:52:51 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 15, 2013, 02:53:12 PM
It's called democracy muppet. How many club players are there, and how many county players? The tail definitely wags the dog in the GAA, because the money and exposure linked to the county game is so much more than the club game.
Most proposals for restructuring the inter county games seem to centre on having more games, be that champions league type groups or whatever. The obvious implication there is that the club fixtures would have to, again, adapt and accomodate these extra games.
2% of GAA players are county Players
You are right. Scrap the county stuff.
Quote from: muppet on October 16, 2013, 10:00:09 AM
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 16, 2013, 08:52:51 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 15, 2013, 02:53:12 PM
It's called democracy muppet. How many club players are there, and how many county players? The tail definitely wags the dog in the GAA, because the money and exposure linked to the county game is so much more than the club game.
Most proposals for restructuring the inter county games seem to centre on having more games, be that champions league type groups or whatever. The obvious implication there is that the club fixtures would have to, again, adapt and accomodate these extra games.
2% of GAA players are county Players
You are right. Scrap the county stuff.
You would think all these championships are been over run. I would be quiet sure that most counties have there county finals fixed for this time of year and this would be decided from start of year. Its county final time of year.
Not when its clashes with the International Rules which was decided months ago too, that it was known it would be played on the 19th and 26th. Play the Championship earlier and finish a week or two earlier, instead of the needless clash next weekend.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 16, 2013, 10:13:19 AM
Not when its clashes with the International Rules which was decided months ago too, that it was known it would be played on the 19th and 26th. Play the Championship earlier and finish a week or two earlier, instead of the needless clash next weekend.
They don't know months ago if they will have anyone involved nevermind if their club will be still in championship.
Quote from: tommysmith on October 16, 2013, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 16, 2013, 10:13:19 AM
Not when its clashes with the International Rules which was decided months ago too, that it was known it would be played on the 19th and 26th. Play the Championship earlier and finish a week or two earlier, instead of the needless clash next weekend.
They don't know months ago if they will have anyone involved nevermind if their club will be still in championship.
I'm talking about County boards, of course they would have had a fair idea some of their Co players might have been involved, Michael Murphy has been a been a regular with the International Rules.
Neil McGee has played before too, etc. Other counties similar.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 16, 2013, 10:29:58 AM
Quote from: tommysmith on October 16, 2013, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 16, 2013, 10:13:19 AM
Not when its clashes with the International Rules which was decided months ago too, that it was known it would be played on the 19th and 26th. Play the Championship earlier and finish a week or two earlier, instead of the needless clash next weekend.
They don't know months ago if they will have anyone involved nevermind if their club will be still in championship.
I'm talking about County boards, of course they would have had a fair idea some of their Co players might have been involved, Michael Murphy has been a been a regular with the International Rules.
Neil McGee has played before too, etc. Other counties similar.
So county boards should plan around something that mite not happen.
No, its common sense to think ahead. Glenswilly won the County title in 2011 and are back in the final this Sunday, Not rocket science to think of the possibility that they could be involved in this years final.
Quote from: tommysmith on October 16, 2013, 10:35:29 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 16, 2013, 10:29:58 AM
Quote from: tommysmith on October 16, 2013, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 16, 2013, 10:13:19 AM
Not when its clashes with the International Rules which was decided months ago too, that it was known it would be played on the 19th and 26th. Play the Championship earlier and finish a week or two earlier, instead of the needless clash next weekend.
They don't know months ago if they will have anyone involved nevermind if their club will be still in championship.
I'm talking about County boards, of course they would have had a fair idea some of their Co players might have been involved, Michael Murphy has been a been a regular with the International Rules.
Neil McGee has played before too, etc. Other counties similar.
So county boards should plan around something that mite not happen.
you,ll need to consult with jim mc guinness first !!
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 16, 2013, 10:38:57 AM
No, its common sense to think ahead. Glenswilly won the County title in 2011 and are back in the final this Sunday, Not rocket science to think of the possibility that they could be involved in this years final.
I don't think co boards should be worrying about this but then I think it's rubbish you obviously think different.
I could be way off and believe me it happens but I think Ireland at 10/11 to win sat nights game looks superb value,ok we are havin our selection problems and lack of trainin maybe for some but the ball is still round and we are light years ahead there and aussies I hope are lookin free holiday,players that have other commitments wont be a problem as no player plays the whole game anyway usually and the freedom of subs gives the management great flexibility...Ireland to win by 10
Quote from: tommysmith on October 16, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 16, 2013, 10:38:57 AM
No, its common sense to think ahead. Glenswilly won the County title in 2011 and are back in the final this Sunday, Not rocket science to think of the possibility that they could be involved in this years final.
I don't think co boards should be worrying about this but then I think it's rubbish you obviously think different.
Each to their own Tommy. You will probably watch it Saturday night since you're not heading :P
Ironically the who club v country debate is giving this series more exposure than it usually would. I'm looking forward to it.
No don't scrap it. But disconnect it. Doesn't bother me now as I am past playing, but when I was I would much rather have played meaningful games through the summer without our one inter county player rather than be playing stupid tournaments and 7 a sides. But the clubs with 3, 4 or 5 county players would never wear that.
Nothing to do with victims, its just reality that the county scene dominates everything as it generates the finance and pr. Except for Paddys day of course when the club is the most important unit of the GAA. And an honourable mention for TG4's great coverage.
Quote from: muppet on October 16, 2013, 10:00:09 AM
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 16, 2013, 08:52:51 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 15, 2013, 02:53:12 PM
It's called democracy muppet. How many club players are there, and how many county players? The tail definitely wags the dog in the GAA, because the money and exposure linked to the county game is so much more than the club game.
Most proposals for restructuring the inter county games seem to centre on having more games, be that champions league type groups or whatever. The obvious implication there is that the club fixtures would have to, again, adapt and accomodate these extra games.
2% of GAA players are county Players
You are right. Scrap the county stuff.
Cavan's Nicholas WalshThe Irish have been warned to expect a fast and skillful Australian opposition in Saturday's opening International Rules test in Breffni Park.
Former Cavan footballer Nicholas Walsh is a member of Paul Earley's backroom team and, as a current High Performance Coach with the GSW Giants, has the inside track on the tactics that will be deployed by the travelling party.
"It's going to be a very competitive fast moving game," Walsh said to the Irish Daily Mirror.
"Traditionally the indigenous players in the AFL are very quick and very skillful - and it's going to be very interesting in the first test to see how quick and elusive they are.
"Some of them will be less physical but then they have some 6'5" 100kg or 16 stone fellas that they will bring along, like Lance Franklin who has just moved from Hawthorn to Sydney Swans.
"He is going to be one of their stand out players - but also he is a mover. They have a number of players in the same category."
He continued: "The GAA players now have come a long, long way. But AFL is two hours, it's four half hour quarters and that's why the physical demands are greater.
"You need to be fitter, you need to be stronger.
"In the AFL gam now the average running capacity is something like 16km on average per teams.
"Gaelic football would be somewhere around eight or nine. There is a big difference, so you have to train your body to play like that."
Quote from: tommysmith on October 16, 2013, 10:35:29 AM
So county boards should plan around something that mite not happen.
The art of planning around things that may or may not happen has a name my good man, it's called contingency. Most organisational bodies - those that are organised at any rate - will indulge themselves in a little of this to prevent potential snarl-ups.
Even without the IR looming on the horizon, it should still be incumbent on county boards to outline a fixtures plan at the start of the year and adhere to a rule that states how club league action and/or SFC games must take place any time there is longer than a two-week gap between inter-county games.
I'm not banging the drum for IR here, with or without it county boards should be instructed to get their ducks in a row for once and for all and use the ample time at their disposal to run their competitions in a rigorous, systematic manner. But again, the club players have the real power here, it's just that they do not wield it and surrender it to self-serving managers like McGuinness and the county board officials in thrall to them.
To get back on topic a little, whatever your personal opinion on the IR, if a player genuinely wants to play in it but can't because his county board have been dilly-dallying all the summer long, then I think it's a real shame and utterly avoidable.
Yes it starts with simple efforts to reduce the county season. It takes 4 weeks to play the first round of the ulster championship it could take 1
Quote from: rrhf on October 17, 2013, 07:37:37 AM
Yes it starts with simple efforts to reduce the county season.
For 8 teams it's over at the end of June, 8 more by mid July and 12 more by first weekend in August.
Then it takes 7 weeks to play the last 3 games as the GAA seeks to maximise publicity etc by only having one big game per week between football and shticks.
Club stalwarts would probably like to see the Inter County season all over, AI Final and all, by the end of June and leave them 4 months to fart around with postponements etc as they see fit.
Surely it's possible to devise a system that can have both Club and County Championships advancing through May/June and July so that all are at the Quarter Final stage by early August. And have all finished by the 30th September if the will was there.
It took from 19th May till 21st July to play FIVE knock out games in the Connacht Championship this year. They could have played it on a League basis in all that time FFS !!
A bit of direction from HQ ( probably need a vote in Congress before the Prentyfia would comply) could ensure that the Club championships could be slotted in while all that was going on and make Co team managers comply as well.
Why is the government so completely incompetent?
Because all the people who are good at running the country are too busy cutting hair and driving taxis.
Its a bit like that on here.
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 17, 2013, 11:19:44 AM
Why is the government so completely incompetent?
Because all the people who are good at running the country are too busy cutting hair and driving taxis.
Its a bit like that on here.
;D
Tell me this. Are these guys are getting funded to play this? If it were the case would that not be the GAA breaking its own rules? Some of you international compromise rules aficionados might know better. What could an international compromise ruler potentially earn if they were paid for their efforts?
Quote from: rrhf on October 17, 2013, 12:57:57 PM
Tell me this. Are these guys are getting funded to play this? If it were the case would that not be the GAA breaking its own rules? Some of you international compromise rules aficionados might know better. What could an international compromise ruler potentially earn if they were paid for their efforts?
ask yourself, you seem more interested in the series than anyone else on the board ;)
Is it a GAA sport? More power to these guys if they get some mileage and a new pair of socks (and a cooked dinner after each training session and match) and hopefully no broken bones
Do they really need new socks?
;)
I think the bi annual "lets give the guys an insight into how a professional football career might look like only we are GAA and dont pay," could be really important for maintaining industrial relations later.
Surprised we haven't had the oul chestnut - "It'll be the end of the GAA as we know it"
I believe each player is on €1,000 per game and Paul Earley told me he's retiring to a sunny Country when his stint is over.
No he will probably become a consultant to managers.
They are lying in Radisson the next 3 night's I'm sure they are getting well looked after.
"Some people don't agree with the series and don't agree with the rules, but for me, it's the highest I can go in terms of my football..."
Taken from an interview with Sean Cavanagh in todays Indo.
Do these lads realise they're not actually playing football?
It bugs me that some of our top gaelic footballers equate playing in this nonsense with winning an All Ireland.
Agreed, I enjoyed my football but when I got the chance to represent my country at kabaddibingoballey It was a great honour. I remember standing on the steps of the Turkish beach crying as I had pulverised all options in front of me and could take pints in the knowledge that I had brought great honour back to my people and their fleg. To go from a simple club like my own to such heights was unheard of
The normally excellent Dermot Earley described playing in the IR series as the 'pinnacle' of a footballers career the other day.
Why does it bug you so much that they like they for Ireland? So what if it not Gaelic football , how would it be, its a mix of both codes.
It offers the best players in the Country to play together on the one side.
Jesus, if lads are proud to represent their country playing International Rules they shouldn't have to justify it to anyone.
For every Sean Cavanagh there'll be another high profile player who couldn't give two hoots about it
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1810131057-mckaigue-continues-a-rich-derry-tradition/
"I think it's just the general journey from playing U10 football with your club to the pinnacle of your career, playing with the best of the best, being coached by the best of the best"
Quote from: Jinxy on October 18, 2013, 10:44:08 AM
The normally excellent Dermot Earley described playing in the IR series as the 'pinnacle' of a footballers career the other day.
Cmon Jinx the top notch brigadier general even got lost coming out if his croke park dressing room at one stage .....................blamed the dubs on a pincer move
Will watch it put will pray that none of the lads get harpooned and suffer injuries
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 18, 2013, 10:56:30 AM
Why does it bug you so much that they like they for Ireland? So what if it not Gaelic football , how would it be, its a mix of both codes.
It offers the best players in the Country to play together on the one side.
It's not that they enjoy playing in the IR series that bugs me.
The best of luck to them.
It's the whole 'pinnacle of your career' stuff that I hate.
The pinnacle of your career as an intercounty footballer is winning an All Ireland, an Allstar, footballer of the year etc. while playing for your county.
Not togging out in a novelty exhibition game.
Some players have built this up into something it isn't in order to further inflate their own egos basically.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 18, 2013, 12:45:20 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 18, 2013, 10:56:30 AM
Why does it bug you so much that they like they for Ireland? So what if it not Gaelic football , how would it be, its a mix of both codes.
It offers the best players in the Country to play together on the one side.
It's not that they enjoy playing in the IR series that bugs me.
The best of luck to them.
It's the whole 'pinnacle of your career' stuff that I hate.
The pinnacle of your career as an intercounty footballer is winning an All Ireland, an Allstar, footballer of the year etc. while playing for your county.Not togging out in a novelty exhibition game.
Some players have built this up into something it isn't in order to further inflate their own egos basically.
Why do you pick what's the pinnacle of their career? Is it not down to them as individuals to decide that?
Exhibition game or not, they are representation Ireland against another country in what is a competitive game. And they are measuring themselves against professional sports people. Personally I can see why they have pride in that and I don't see why people would begrudge them that!
That Jinxy must be the Champion Begrudger in a Nation of begrudgers.
Who was the last Roscommon man to play for Ireland in anything?
International Rules was Seanie McDermott last time the Aussies were here.
Didn't Donal Ward win a Boxing tournament not too long ago and sure at handball we have 4 or 5 at least World Champions.
It's just that we're such a modest race and we don't want to make our smelly neighbours feel worse about themselves that we don't be blowing our own trumpets as much as we should.
Is shine coming to his potential
Quote from: rrhf on October 18, 2013, 03:36:47 PM
Who was the last Roscommon man to play for Ireland in anything?
Didn't Sean Doherty tap for Ireland?
It's a good job the Aussie Indigenous team is not playing this series in Australia. By reading BigFooty.com, most of the AFL fans seem to have ditched whatever last remaining interest their might have been, because they are convincing themselves that their team is "racist" because white guys couldn't be picked. I really don't understand the Aussie sports-fan psyche. Here is a team representing Australia, and they are lashing them out of it before they even take the field.
Their loss ???
As for Ireland, I know this is not our best possible team, and this game is not to everyone's taste her in Ireland either. But this team is representing Ireland, and they were picked from players playing one of my two favourite sports. I will defend their right to represent my country, and I will show them all the support that I can.
Here's hoping for a good game, plenty of action, played hard but in the honest spirit of the contest. I hope the result is close, so that the Croke Park game is not irrelevant. And I'd almost hope for an Aussie win, just to see how the fans "back home" react then.
Almost ........ Nah!
COME ON IRELAND
Anyone here actually going to the match tomorrow? I have a pair of tickets but am very seriously considering TV! It looks like it's going to be played in extremely wet conditions. We've had torrential downpours in the NE all day - anyone closer to Cavan tell us what the weather is like down there? I don't fancy a 3 hour drive in pouring rain to watch lads sliding around on their backend for an hour and dropping the ball. Is it even on TV?
Is game live on rte/tg4/tv3?? I love gaa as much as the next man but wild horses couldn't pull me outta house to go and watch it
It's on TG4
Quote from: CD on October 18, 2013, 06:12:41 PM
Anyone here actually going to the match tomorrow? I have a pair of tickets but am very seriously considering TV! It looks like it's going to be played in extremely wet conditions. We've had torrential downpours in the NE all day - anyone closer to Cavan tell us what the weather is like down there? I don't fancy a 3 hour drive in pouring rain to watch lads sliding around on their backend for an hour and dropping the ball. Is it even on TV?
Pissed most of day, it's stopped now though.
Quote from: rrhf on October 18, 2013, 06:00:09 PM
Is shine coming to his potential
Donie??
Was good in 2010 and 11. Our only reliable scorer them years.
Poor in 2012, wasn't fully fit for the county for most on 2013 with injuries but was looking sharp for Clan in the closing stages of the Club championship.
Hopefully injury free and fully fit next year and hopefully will be banging them over from all angles.
Good luck to the team tomorrow. I'm looking forward to it.
It's not the same without the biff.
Yes lets spill some blood for the cause.
That's the spirit - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quSrUcL2SSM
Quote from: ONeill on October 19, 2013, 11:39:15 AM
That's the spirit - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quSrUcL2SSM
Right lads get wired into them. Throw the ball over the wire. If they wanna box, lets box!
If we were to pick a side for the boxin, who'd be on it?
Can't think of anyone from Tyrone. Pascal maybe.
Ciaran McKeever....?
Tyrone had two people designed for this Big Oz and wee Pete.
Wee pete destroyed arkamanis nose. Big Oz never got the chance to straighten it for him.
Best of luck to Paul and the lads today.
Quote from: tommysmith on October 18, 2013, 06:52:26 PM
Quote from: CD on October 18, 2013, 06:12:41 PM
Anyone here actually going to the match tomorrow? I have a pair of tickets but am very seriously considering TV! It looks like it's going to be played in extremely wet conditions. We've had torrential downpours in the NE all day - anyone closer to Cavan tell us what the weather is like down there? I don't fancy a 3 hour drive in pouring rain to watch lads sliding around on their backend for an hour and dropping the ball. Is it even on TV?
Pissed most of day, it's stopped now though.
Decided not to go. It's still pissin' it down here - I don't fancy a soaking in Cavan and a drive home with wet jeans stuck up me! Hope the lads win - I'll sky+ it and watch tomorrow as I'm going out for a nice steak instead!
Ireland are gonna get hammered.. far too many mayo losers on the panel ::)
Quote from: lawnseed on October 19, 2013, 06:33:20 PM
Ireland are gonna get hammered.. far too many mayo losers on the panel ::)
Asshole.
Anyway, I found this on hoganstand... If it's up here before good and well...
The club v. country row rumbles on as Mayo club Breaffy are the latest outfit to seek a postponement of the County SFC final.
Breaffy have Aidan O'Shea involved with the Ireland squad ahead of the International Rules test and with the second test on Saturday, October 26, just 24hrs before the county final against Castlebar Mitchels.
However, despite the club's pleas, the county final looks set to go ahead on Sunday, October 27th, but Mayo CCC chairman Mike Connelly stated that unless the Connacht club SFC was put back, then there was nothing they could do.
"We have to allow for the draw," Connelly told the Mayo News. "If Croke Park and Connacht Council decide to put the Connacht Championship back by a week, we can move the county final, but at the minute, we can't move it."
Can't understand why the GAA continues to promote this sh1te. All it does is provide a platform for AFL teams to view the top GAA players
Seriously thinking of watching the X Factor shite instead of this crap
Moved to ITV to watch The Chase
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 19, 2013, 06:58:08 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on October 19, 2013, 06:33:20 PM
Ireland are gonna get hammered.. far too many mayo losers on the panel ::)
Asshole.
Anyway, I found this on hoganstand... If it's up here before good and well...
The club v. country row rumbles on as Mayo club Breaffy are the latest outfit to seek a postponement of the County SFC final.
Breaffy have Aidan O'Shea involved with the Ireland squad ahead of the International Rules test and with the second test on Saturday, October 26, just 24hrs before the county final against Castlebar Mitchels.
However, despite the club's pleas, the county final looks set to go ahead on Sunday, October 27th, but Mayo CCC chairman Mike Connelly stated that unless the Connacht club SFC was put back, then there was nothing they could do.
"We have to allow for the draw," Connelly told the Mayo News. "If Croke Park and Connacht Council decide to put the Connacht Championship back by a week, we can move the county final, but at the minute, we can't move it."
oh wait.. this isn't the final yet lets wait until the final and then get hammered :D mayo stylie
Take the fights and the physical hits out of this game and it's an absolute snooze fest.
Quote from: lawnseed on October 19, 2013, 07:23:11 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 19, 2013, 06:58:08 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on October 19, 2013, 06:33:20 PM
Ireland are gonna get hammered.. far too many mayo losers on the panel ::)
Asshole.
Anyway, I found this on hoganstand... If it's up here before good and well...
The club v. country row rumbles on as Mayo club Breaffy are the latest outfit to seek a postponement of the County SFC final.
Breaffy have Aidan O'Shea involved with the Ireland squad ahead of the International Rules test and with the second test on Saturday, October 26, just 24hrs before the county final against Castlebar Mitchels.
However, despite the club's pleas, the county final looks set to go ahead on Sunday, October 27th, but Mayo CCC chairman Mike Connelly stated that unless the Connacht club SFC was put back, then there was nothing they could do.
"We have to allow for the draw," Connelly told the Mayo News. "If Croke Park and Connacht Council decide to put the Connacht Championship back by a week, we can move the county final, but at the minute, we can't move it."
oh wait.. this isn't the final yet lets wait until the final and then get hammered :D mayo stylie
Bring in all the Armagh players then. They're in the know about winning All-Irelands.
Great game, really exciting! The mark really speeds up the game? :P
Pile of pure shite
What time do Australia arrive?
I'd expect the Aussies to do a lot better in the 3rd quarter.
Quote from: muppet on October 19, 2013, 07:44:10 PM
I'd expect the Aussies to do a lot better in the 3rd quarter.
They look incredibly poor at the basics, they are having a very hard time handling the ball or placing any sort of fort passes. If we're aggressive in the second half we can name our score.
Murphy should not come out for second half. The series won't hinge on what he does in second half, the county final very much might
Cant believe that the bookies had Ireland at evens!!! didn't realise it till I noticed it by accident. watching the Chase, far better craic
Quote from: haze on October 19, 2013, 07:52:23 PM
Murphy should not come out for second half. The series won't hinge on what he does in second half, the county final very much might
No I think Murphy should play a lot longer ;)
what is the point in this. pile of crap!
That is a crap haka by the Aussies.
Good one pointer there!
Quote from: yellowcard on October 19, 2013, 07:23:27 PM
Take the fights and the physical hits out of this game and it's an absolute snooze fest.
+ 1 Muck.
Game on!!
23 for the aussies a dirty tramp1
Wish it was on a Channel where I could understand what they're saying!
Poor enough first three quarters but it's been a good fourth quarter. Ireland's decisions on the ball seem quite poor when under pressure.
Zach Touhy would make some difference to Laois, he's been brilliant.
Quote from: Zulu on October 19, 2013, 08:41:56 PM
Zach Touhy would make some difference to Laois, he's been brilliant.
Agreed.
Flynn is a quality footballer too.
Murphy & O'Shea did well.
O'Rourke is a good keeper in this game.
Only seen the 4th quarter and it was good, but as you would say, the pace would need to be this for the 4 quarters for it to be interesting from a viewing capacity
Quote from: muppet on October 19, 2013, 08:45:10 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 19, 2013, 08:41:56 PM
Zach Touhy would make some difference to Laois, he's been brilliant.
Agreed.
Flynn is a quality footballer too.
Murphy & O'Shea did well.
O'Rourke is a good keeper in this game.
Indeed and he was playing for his club aswell this morning
Only Paul Galvin could pull of that shirt,
Fashion Icon!
Quite enjoyed that to my shock.
Flynn is some footballer. Picks the right option every single time.
Absolute shite!
Quote from: muppet on October 19, 2013, 08:45:10 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 19, 2013, 08:41:56 PM
Zach Touhy would make some difference to Laois, he's been brilliant.
Agreed.
Flynn is a quality footballer too.
Murphy & O'Shea did well.
O'Rourke is a good keeper in this game.
Thought Murphy faded a bit but with the rolling subs it was a hard to figure out if a man was on the field or not! Munnelly did well early on too and I thought Sheehan and Walsh did pretty well too. Touhy and Flynn were the stand out performers for Ireland alright. Flynn is a classy performer and the prototype modern footballer. Caffrey did well too and he left the Aussies in his wake a number of times which is no mean feat.
What a load of shit of a game!
Michael Murphy chose to play in that nonsense on the eve of a county final!
Fk me!!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 19, 2013, 07:29:12 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on October 19, 2013, 07:23:11 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 19, 2013, 06:58:08 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on October 19, 2013, 06:33:20 PM
Ireland are gonna get hammered.. far too many mayo losers on the panel ::)
Asshole.
Anyway, I found this on hoganstand... If it's up here before good and well...
The club v. country row rumbles on as Mayo club Breaffy are the latest outfit to seek a postponement of the County SFC final.
Breaffy have Aidan O'Shea involved with the Ireland squad ahead of the International Rules test and with the second test on Saturday, October 26, just 24hrs before the county final against Castlebar Mitchels.
However, despite the club's pleas, the county final looks set to go ahead on Sunday, October 27th, but Mayo CCC chairman Mike Connelly stated that unless the Connacht club SFC was put back, then there was nothing they could do.
"We have to allow for the draw," Connelly told the Mayo News. "If Croke Park and Connacht Council decide to put the Connacht Championship back by a week, we can move the county final, but at the minute, we can't move it."
oh wait.. this isn't the final yet lets wait until the final and then get hammered :D mayo stylie
Bring in all the Armagh players then. They're in the know about winning All-Irelands.
is the next game in croke park? is there silverware? and the bookies have Ireland at evens? think about it..
Quote from: sam03/05 on October 19, 2013, 09:07:54 PM
What a load of shit of a game!
Michael Murphy chose to play in that nonsense on the eve of a county final!
Fk me!!
These boys are selected because they are among the best footballers in Ireland and have a chance to be acknowledged as such and you can't understand why they might want to play?
Murphy plays for Donegal, if he can do what he is asked to do in that system then the IC must be a dream.
Nonsense of a game, complete and utter shite to watch.
Most of Ireland's best players not playing - Cooper, Brogan etc. Australia not interested as their best players are at home.
If I was involved with Murphys club I would be rightly pissed off.
Quote from: sam03/05 on October 19, 2013, 09:21:28 PM
Nonsense of a game, complete and utter shite to watch.
Most of Ireland's best players not playing - Cooper, Brogan etc. Australia not interested as their best players are at home.
If I was involved with Murphys club I would be rightly pissed off.
+1
Did Ciaran ppMcKeever play?
Just as well you're not so. By the way, neither Brogan or Cooper are out by choice as far as I know and while it is true the Aussies haven't sent their best that doesn't diminish the value to the Irish players.
I wouldn't watch that every week but you'd get fair sick of the pissers and moaners who seem to have little else to do but complain about something that is harmless enough and a nice bonus for our top players.
It's not the most exciting spectacle and having sky plussed it I watched a fair bit on fast forward. When players are decent foot passers, then the mark makes the game appear very easy. Just a series of 30 yard passes when nobody can lay a hand on you.
It was obviously going to be slow to start off, both teams aren't use e to each other. Aussies took a while getting into kicking with the round ball but they soon settled and played good football as what happened in Galway in 2010, then won that test, and then in the second test they were excellent in Croke Park.
, Btw Brogan was injured and couldn't play, he has played pevious in tests, wasn't because he didn't want to play.
some of the best smaller players in Gaelic football are simply not suited to this game and would not stand out the way they would in the gaelic
McCaffrey was picked for speed, how many times did he break through into the Australian half.
Quote from: sam03/05 on October 19, 2013, 09:21:28 PM
Nonsense of a game, complete and utter shite to watch.
Most of Ireland's best players not playing - Cooper, Brogan etc. Australia not interested as their best players are at home.
If I was involved with Murphys club I would be rightly pissed off.
be thankful you only have to put up with it every two years, the rest of us have to put up with what Tyrone serve up every year !
Flynn, super player
I enjoy it, but for me, the Australian's, in the past, would come into it in the 2nd 2 quarters as their greater fitness levels would shine through and mask the obvious gulf in skills (with a round football), but our boys fitness levels are incredible at the minute. I cannot see the boys from down under winning another series. Could be close in Australia due to travel lag etc, but that's maybe as close as it will come. Good to see a great crowd in Breffni cheering the men on
Quote from: Zulu on October 19, 2013, 09:15:27 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on October 19, 2013, 09:07:54 PM
What a load of shit of a game!
Michael Murphy chose to play in that nonsense on the eve of a county final!
Fk me!!
These boys are selected because they are among the best footballers in Ireland and have a chance to be acknowledged as such and you can't understand why they might want to play?
Murphy plays for Donegal, if he can do what he is asked to do in that system then the IC must be a dream.
If he got injured like Walsh did participating in this
absolute abomination of an event, and his club lost the county final as a result would you shrug your shoulders and say "Ah well, them's the breaks".
Do the players actually enjoy playing in this thing or is it just a means to an end, i.e. they get to say they represented their country?
Lord knows it's nigh on impossible to watch.
Thank god this will be the last year of it anyway.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 19, 2013, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 19, 2013, 09:15:27 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on October 19, 2013, 09:07:54 PM
What a load of shit of a game!
Michael Murphy chose to play in that nonsense on the eve of a county final!
Fk me!!
These boys are selected because they are among the best footballers in Ireland and have a chance to be acknowledged as such and you can't understand why they might want to play?
Murphy plays for Donegal, if he can do what he is asked to do in that system then the IC must be a dream.
If he got injured like Walsh did participating in this absolute abomination of an event, and his club lost the county final as a result would you shrug your shoulders and say "Ah well, them's the breaks".
Do the players actually enjoy playing in this thing or is it just a means to an end, i.e. they get to say they represented their country?
Lord knows it's nigh on impossible to watch.
Thank god this will be the last year of it anyway.
Why watch it? Or for that matter continuously harp on about it?...I wouldn't dream of watching the Nolan Show or X Factor for example
Why anyone would pay to go watch this at Croke Park next week is beyond me!
Lucky to get 20k at it I'd say.
Quote from: sam03/05 on October 19, 2013, 09:52:44 PM
Why anyone would pay to go watch this at Croke Park next week is beyond me!
Lucky to get 20k at it I'd say.
Because people actually like it, not dry shites like yourself and others on here.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 19, 2013, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 19, 2013, 09:15:27 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on October 19, 2013, 09:07:54 PM
What a load of shit of a game!
Michael Murphy chose to play in that nonsense on the eve of a county final!
Fk me!!
These boys are selected because they are among the best footballers in Ireland and have a chance to be acknowledged as such and you can't understand why they might want to play?
Murphy plays for Donegal, if he can do what he is asked to do in that system then the IC must be a dream.
If he got injured like Walsh did participating in this absolute abomination of an event, and his club lost the county final as a result would you shrug your shoulders and say "Ah well, them's the breaks".
Do the players actually enjoy playing in this thing or is it just a means to an end, i.e. they get to say they represented their country?
Lord knows it's nigh on impossible to watch.
Thank god this will be the last year of it anyway.
I presume they do as they actually play it and as Walsh pointed out he's been travelling up from Cork for the past seven weeks to train for it. It isn't a great watch anymore but if you don't like it don't watch it, me? I'll be viewing the next game for sure.
Quote from: sam03/05 on October 19, 2013, 09:52:44 PM
Why anyone would pay to go watch this at Croke Park next week is beyond me!
Lucky to get 20k at it I'd say.
what would the average attendance of a county football match be? I wouldnt have minded playing in front of 20k ;)
That was dire stuff tonight. People moan about the Railway Cup but they had cracking games this last couple of years, yet nobody goes to it, while the Rules is always packed. Baffling!
Quote from: Zulu on October 19, 2013, 10:02:09 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 19, 2013, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 19, 2013, 09:15:27 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on October 19, 2013, 09:07:54 PM
What a load of shit of a game!
Michael Murphy chose to play in that nonsense on the eve of a county final!
Fk me!!
These boys are selected because they are among the best footballers in Ireland and have a chance to be acknowledged as such and you can't understand why they might want to play?
Murphy plays for Donegal, if he can do what he is asked to do in that system then the IC must be a dream.
If he got injured like Walsh did participating in this absolute abomination of an event, and his club lost the county final as a result would you shrug your shoulders and say "Ah well, them's the breaks".
Do the players actually enjoy playing in this thing or is it just a means to an end, i.e. they get to say they represented their country?
Lord knows it's nigh on impossible to watch.
Thank god this will be the last year of it anyway.
I presume they do as they actually play it and as Walsh pointed out he's been travelling up from Cork for the past seven weeks to train for it. It isn't a great watch anymore but if you don't like it don't watch it, me? I'll be viewing the next game for sure.
Whether people watch it or don't watch is neither here nor there.
Murphy has a county final to play in.
TOMORROW.
Does that mean anything?
I would always have been a fan of this series but today I realised how poor a spectacle it really is. I don't know if the referees were sure of the rules, the Australian players certainly weren't. Must be the only game in the world where the people playing it don't know the rules.
In saying that, I can see why people might enjoy it. In the past the physicality would have appealed. Also in the early days of the series - around '98 - '01, the Irish probably weren't as organised defensively. Tonight the kicking from the Australia was terrible probably because they got so little time to steady themselves down. It did open open up a bit in the third and fourth quarters.
And the most important thing for me in retaining the series is the appeal it has to young people. Juveniles like to watch the best players and their favourite players. This is probably the best opportunity for them to do this.
For me though, I won't be going out of my way to watch next week's game.
Murphy didn't pick up any Injury and yes, it does mean something, He should never have been in that ridiculous situation, Donegal had plenty of time to wrap up the Club Championship.
Just back from Breffni.
Good win by our lads and fair play to them. Aussies were awful for most of the game and it must be the first time ever at a game I was glad to see the opposition scoring a goal. Hopefully a week together in this country will get the Aussies more in tune with things and at least make a game of it next week.
Looking throught the posts above - the backwoodsmen are really out on force tonight expressing their usual negative opinions about something " they have no interst in".
As for that Jinxy ( probably with Sam 0305 the worst of them :-[) - What business is it of yours what Michael Murphy does?
Pathetic whingin effin moaners - sicken yer arse.
Anyway I'll be in Croker next week too :D.
say it before, its the 19th of october, all club football should be over by September, Donegal didst go overly far this year so why the championship not played off/ Only Donegal can answer that, and that is where the problem lies
I agree it's up to Michael Murphy himself what he wants to do and who he wants to play for. But honestly do supporters of the series really find what was served up tonight entertaining? Other than seeing some of the best Gaelic Footballers on the one pitch playing a sport that's kind of Gaelic Football but not really, what is there to like about it?
Quote from: Jinxy on October 19, 2013, 10:09:42 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 19, 2013, 10:02:09 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 19, 2013, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 19, 2013, 09:15:27 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on October 19, 2013, 09:07:54 PM
What a load of shit of a game!
Michael Murphy chose to play in that nonsense on the eve of a county final!
Fk me!!
These boys are selected because they are among the best footballers in Ireland and have a chance to be acknowledged as such and you can't understand why they might want to play?
Murphy plays for Donegal, if he can do what he is asked to do in that system then the IC must be a dream.
If he got injured like Walsh did participating in this absolute abomination of an event, and his club lost the county final as a result would you shrug your shoulders and say "Ah well, them's the breaks".
Do the players actually enjoy playing in this thing or is it just a means to an end, i.e. they get to say they represented their country?
Lord knows it's nigh on impossible to watch.
Thank god this will be the last year of it anyway.
I presume they do as they actually play it and as Walsh pointed out he's been travelling up from Cork for the past seven weeks to train for it. It isn't a great watch anymore but if you don't like it don't watch it, me? I'll be viewing the next game for sure.
Whether people watch it or don't watch is neither here nor there.
Murphy has a county final to play in.
TOMORROW.
Does that mean anything?
Surely that's Murphy's choice but if you are worried about club football then look closer to home and our ridiculous IC season.
A few suggestions to improve this "game"
- only allow marks for overhead catches with 2 feet off the ground
- ban the handpass
- ban kicking loose ball so players have use hands to get possession.
The problem with this game is the tackle, the swinging round of players and instant drag down takes no skill, it makes the game messy with alot of soccer style action a players know they be dragged down, its not pretty to watch but theres the makings of a game there if the adjusted rules to make it watchable which it is all about
No it's not in fairness. It's about compromise not watchability as it's only every two years and has no commercial value.
There's a fair ould load of sour pusses in the GAA.
Oval ball second game.
Quote from: ONeill on October 20, 2013, 12:06:22 AM
Oval ball second game.
That would be fair but would be a whitewash.
The second half was watchable. Still, overall it was as good if not better than, for example, what the Irish soccer team has served up in the last 18 months.
I'd have more interest in the Railway cup.
Quote from: RandyDupree on October 20, 2013, 12:36:03 AM
I'd have more interest in the Railway cup.
There she be boy. Watch that for 4 quarters.
(http://eircomsports.eircom.net/Media/Thumbnails/7ed25cfe-c4dc-485c-8d93-c6a537a6d8be_640x360.jpg)
Quote from: muppet on October 20, 2013, 12:22:55 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 20, 2013, 12:06:22 AM
Oval ball second game.
That would be fair but would be a whitewash.
Think so? Catch, kick, mark, catch, kick, mark. No soloin.
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What a load of shit of a game!
Michael Murphy chose to play in that nonsense on the eve of a county final!
Fk me!!
These boys are selected because they are among the best footballers in Ireland and have a chance to be acknowledged as such and you can't understand why they might want to play?
Murphy plays for Donegal, if he can do what he is asked to do in that system then the IC must be a dream.
If he got injured like Walsh did participating in this absolute abomination of an event, and his club lost the county final as a result would you shrug your shoulders and say "Ah well, them's the breaks".
Do the players actually enjoy playing in this thing or is it just a means to an end, i.e. they get to say they represented their country?
Lord knows it's nigh on impossible to watch.
Thank god this will be the last year of it anyway.
I presume they do as they actually play it and as Walsh pointed out he's been travelling up from Cork for the past seven weeks to train for it. It isn't a great watch anymore but if you don't like it don't watch it, me? I'll be viewing the next game for sure.
Whether people watch it or don't watch is neither here nor there.
Murphy has a county final to play in.
TOMORROW.
Does that mean anything?
What is it to you what a Glenswilly man does? You're an awful crying hoor.
The Clonoe lads went on the lash a few days before a Ulster club championship match. Doesn't that mean anything?
Quote from: RandyDupree on October 20, 2013, 12:36:03 AM
I'd have more interest in the Railway cup.
A few posters on here hated the Railway cup and want it scrapped however those same few posters think the international rules is great and should continue?
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Quote from: RandyDupree on October 20, 2013, 12:36:03 AM
I'd have more interest in the Railway cup.
A few posters on here hated the Railway cup and want it scrapped however those same few posters think the international rules is great and should continue?
The Railway Cup should be scrapped as the public have demonstrated zero interest. If the powers that be scrapped International Rules (which I'm a fan of) and replaced it with the Railway Cup I'd be happy see if 17k showed up to watch it.
The issue however is not Railway Cup vs International Rules. The issue is viability of this concept, given 17k pay to watch it, which is a hell of a lot more than even some of our own matches, it would appear viable to continue in my view.
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Quote from: RandyDupree on October 20, 2013, 12:36:03 AM
I'd have more interest in the Railway cup.
A few posters on here hated the Railway cup and want it scrapped however those same few posters think the international rules is great and should continue?
The Railway Cup should be scrapped as the public have demonstrated zero interest. If the powers that be scrapped International Rules (which I'm a fan of) and replaced it with the Railway Cup I'd be happy see if 17k showed up to watch it.
The issue however is not Railway Cup vs International Rules. The issue is viability of this concept, given 17k pay to watch it, which is a hell of a lot more than even some of our own matches, it would appear viable to continue in my view.
Attendance figures for division two,three,four and championship qualifiers isn't great should they be scrapped also?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 20, 2013, 05:33:15 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 20, 2013, 04:28:20 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 20, 2013, 04:03:12 AM
Quote from: RandyDupree on October 20, 2013, 12:36:03 AM
I'd have more interest in the Railway cup.
A few posters on here hated the Railway cup and want it scrapped however those same few posters think the international rules is great and should continue?
The Railway Cup should be scrapped as the public have demonstrated zero interest. If the powers that be scrapped International Rules (which I'm a fan of) and replaced it with the Railway Cup I'd be happy see if 17k showed up to watch it.
The issue however is not Railway Cup vs International Rules. The issue is viability of this concept, given 17k pay to watch it, which is a hell of a lot more than even some of our own matches, it would appear viable to continue in my view.
Attendance figures for division two,three,four and championship qualifiers isn't great should they be scrapped also?
We use the term cost neutral to describe any wholly unnecessary costs that we can write off on what the gaa public and sponsors give us. It doesn't make it right when we exploit what is not a bottomless pit and squander it. Properly placed interpros would gain this crowd a fraction of the cost and with a real sport.
Noted also on hoganstand a pic of Conor mc manus getting a cynical foul
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 20, 2013, 05:33:15 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 20, 2013, 04:28:20 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 20, 2013, 04:03:12 AM
Quote from: RandyDupree on October 20, 2013, 12:36:03 AM
I'd have more interest in the Railway cup.
A few posters on here hated the Railway cup and want it scrapped however those same few posters think the international rules is great and should continue?
The Railway Cup should be scrapped as the public have demonstrated zero interest. If the powers that be scrapped International Rules (which I'm a fan of) and replaced it with the Railway Cup I'd be happy see if 17k showed up to watch it.
The issue however is not Railway Cup vs International Rules. The issue is viability of this concept, given 17k pay to watch it, which is a hell of a lot more than even some of our own matches, it would appear viable to continue in my view.
Attendance figures for division two,three,four and championship qualifiers isn't great should they be scrapped also?
League games/Qualifiers have a purpose - promotion/relegation and provide a platform for teams to launch into Championship.
Railway Cup is an exhibition series, as is International Rules.
Compare apples with apples.
I was in Thomond park so I didn't see this, but I heard the last 10 minutes on the radio. I heard Peter canavan mentio our lads 'soccer styling' several times. Was there a lot of that again?
17000 attended. 17000 didnt pay in
Its an incredibly poor game to watch. Granted the players wantt o play in it and the attendance is adequate.
But its pure exhibition at this stage. The Aussies have to participate in an international game at AFL to ensure their funding from the Govt like the other sports. So its largely just a jolly up. They've lost any interest in it.
BUt besides all that. Its awful to watch.
At what point though does player burnout become an issue? Sometimes players are the worst people to be making that call. They are expected to play club, county, colleges and now this?
Barmy in my opinion.
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 20, 2013, 08:39:03 AM
I was in Thomond park so I didn't see this, but I heard the last 10 minutes on the radio. I heard Peter canavan mentio our lads 'soccer styling' several times. Was there a lot of that again?
Sean Cavanagh was the biggest culprit. When he played Gaelic Football, he wanted to tackle people Aussie Rules style. When he plays Aussie Rules, he wants to play soccer!! In fairness to Cavanagh he stood out as one of Ireland's better performers. Paul Flynn, Aidan Walsh, Jack McCaffrey and Ross Munnelly also played well.
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 20, 2013, 10:23:51 AM
17000 attended. 17000 didnt pay in
I went in the end against my better judgement got a free ticket.
There was more than 17000 at it id say at least 23000
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Quote from: AZOffaly on October 20, 2013, 08:39:03 AM
I was in Thomond park so I didn't see this, but I heard the last 10 minutes on the radio. I heard Peter canavan mentio our lads 'soccer styling' several times. Was there a lot of that again?
Sean Cavanagh was the biggest culprit. When he played Gaelic Football, he wanted to tackle people Aussie Rules style. When he plays Aussie Rules, he wants to play soccer!! In fairness to Cavanagh he stood out as one of Ireland's better performers. Paul Flynn, Aidan Walsh, Jack McCaffrey and Ross Munnelly also played well.
Sean Cavanagh seems to be an easy target and a hate figure for most people on this board (outside of Tyrone). Any time I see him play he's been great to watch and in interviews comes across as a nice fella. Go out to your county finals today and you'll see plenty of those tackles and dives. There won't be character assassinations afterwards in the press/media either.
The amount of 'honest' players on this board would sicken your hole :o
Of course there was more then 17000, they weren't including u16's in that figure.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 20, 2013, 11:45:28 AM
Of course there was more then 17000, they weren't including u16's in that figure.
Of Course
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 20, 2013, 11:45:28 AM
Of course there was more then 17000, they weren't including u16's in that figure.
Or any jammy fcukers who got free tickets, or the county boards, friends of the lads doing the turnstiles, players families.........
I haven't read back the thread, has anyone mentioned how dung it was?
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Quote from: AZOffaly on October 20, 2013, 08:39:03 AM
I was in Thomond park so I didn't see this, but I heard the last 10 minutes on the radio. I heard Peter canavan mentio our lads 'soccer styling' several times. Was there a lot of that again?
Sean Cavanagh was the biggest culprit. When he played Gaelic Football, he wanted to tackle people Aussie Rules style. When he plays Aussie Rules, he wants to play soccer!! In fairness to Cavanagh he stood out as one of Ireland's better performers. Paul Flynn, Aidan Walsh, Jack McCaffrey and Ross Munnelly also played well.
sean Cavanagh would stroll on to any county side in the country. sean does what it takes to win.. he was through on goal twice in last nights game and had he received a return pass would have bagged two goals..
i'll bet he hooks up with connor McManus in the second game for a couple of goals
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Quote from: Sea The Stars on October 20, 2013, 10:34:59 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 20, 2013, 08:39:03 AM
I was in Thomond park so I didn't see this, but I heard the last 10 minutes on the radio. I heard Peter canavan mentio our lads 'soccer styling' several times. Was there a lot of that again?
Sean Cavanagh was the biggest culprit. When he played Gaelic Football, he wanted to tackle people Aussie Rules style. When he plays Aussie Rules, he wants to play soccer!! In fairness to Cavanagh he stood out as one of Ireland's better performers. Paul Flynn, Aidan Walsh, Jack McCaffrey and Ross Munnelly also played well.
Sean Cavanagh seems to be an easy target and a hate figure for most people on this board (outside of Tyrone). Any time I see him play he's been great to watch and in interviews comes across as a nice fella. Go out to your county finals today and you'll see plenty of those tackles and dives. There won't be character assassinations afterwards in the press/media either.
The amount of 'honest' players on this board would sicken your hole :o
I would be a big Sean Cavanagh fan so relax. There's no hate in my post and I'm certainly not trying to make him a "hate" figure. He's a brilliant footballer and a great example to to every other Gaelic Footballer.
Quote from: lawnseed on October 20, 2013, 11:53:57 AM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on October 20, 2013, 10:34:59 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 20, 2013, 08:39:03 AM
I was in Thomond park so I didn't see this, but I heard the last 10 minutes on the radio. I heard Peter canavan mentio our lads 'soccer styling' several times. Was there a lot of that again?
Sean Cavanagh was the biggest culprit. When he played Gaelic Football, he wanted to tackle people Aussie Rules style. When he plays Aussie Rules, he wants to play soccer!! In fairness to Cavanagh he stood out as one of Ireland's better performers. Paul Flynn, Aidan Walsh, Jack McCaffrey and Ross Munnelly also played well.
sean Cavanagh would stroll on to any county side in the country. sean does what it takes to win.. he was through on goal twice in last nights game and had he received a return pass would have bagged two goals..
i'll bet he hooks up with connor McManus in the second game for a couple of goals
Are you disagreeing with anything in my post or just making a point of your own of no relevance to my post?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2013, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on October 20, 2013, 10:34:59 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 20, 2013, 08:39:03 AM
I was in Thomond park so I didn't see this, but I heard the last 10 minutes on the radio. I heard Peter canavan mentio our lads 'soccer styling' several times. Was there a lot of that again?
Sean Cavanagh was the biggest culprit. When he played Gaelic Football, he wanted to tackle people Aussie Rules style. When he plays Aussie Rules, he wants to play soccer!! In fairness to Cavanagh he stood out as one of Ireland's better performers. Paul Flynn, Aidan Walsh, Jack McCaffrey and Ross Munnelly also played well.
Sean Cavanagh seems to be an easy target and a hate figure for most people on this board (outside of Tyrone). Any time I see him play he's been great to watch and in interviews comes across as a nice fella. Go out to your county finals today and you'll see plenty of those tackles and dives. There won't be character assassinations afterwards in the press/media either.
The amount of 'honest' players on this board would sicken your hole :o
I would be a big Sean Cavanagh fan so relax. There's no hate in my post and I'm certainly not trying to make him a "hate" figure. He's a brilliant footballer and a great example to to every other Gaelic Footballer.
But there is a trend don't you think? I'd love to have a player like that playing for Antrim (as would most counties), Christ I've watched him destroy us a few times over the years! It's the posters who run him down that I have a point with, if put in the same position themselves in a match would probably do same thing
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Quote from: Sea The Stars on October 20, 2013, 12:12:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2013, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on October 20, 2013, 10:34:59 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 20, 2013, 08:39:03 AM
I was in Thomond park so I didn't see this, but I heard the last 10 minutes on the radio. I heard Peter canavan mentio our lads 'soccer styling' several times. Was there a lot of that again?
Sean Cavanagh was the biggest culprit. When he played Gaelic Football, he wanted to tackle people Aussie Rules style. When he plays Aussie Rules, he wants to play soccer!! In fairness to Cavanagh he stood out as one of Ireland's better performers. Paul Flynn, Aidan Walsh, Jack McCaffrey and Ross Munnelly also played well.
Sean Cavanagh seems to be an easy target and a hate figure for most people on this board (outside of Tyrone). Any time I see him play he's been great to watch and in interviews comes across as a nice fella. Go out to your county finals today and you'll see plenty of those tackles and dives. There won't be character assassinations afterwards in the press/media either.
The amount of 'honest' players on this board would sicken your hole :o
I would be a big Sean Cavanagh fan so relax. There's no hate in my post and I'm certainly not trying to make him a "hate" figure. He's a brilliant footballer and a great example to to every other Gaelic Footballer.
But there is a trend don't you think? I'd love to have a player like that playing for Antrim (as would most counties), Christ I've watched him destroy us a few times over the years! It's the posters who run him down that I have a point with, if put in the same position themselves in a match would probably do same thing
Yes the criticism of Cavanagh is unjust. He has an edge to his game that others lack. He's ahead of his time. That's my opinion anyway. I disagree that others would do the same as Cavanagh though - not for want of maintaining certain principles of the game but because very few players are as instinctive as Cavanagh. He usually takes the right decision in every situation he's presented with - a natural footballer.
Quote from: rrhf on October 20, 2013, 07:25:57 AM
Properly placed interpros would gain this crowd a fraction of the cost and with a real sport.
They've tried everything with those Inter pros and still the public don't care.
Tough but face reality - No one is interested except the players and a fewunrealistic Ulsterites .
Can't believe anyone is trying to make the Railway Cup argument again and with the same daft points!!!
It was poor fare in the main and I certainly wouldn't be in favour of it on a regular basis but players like it and the public attend it, if one or both of those ceased to be the case then scrap it.
The player burnout issue is far bigger than IR and should be addressed (along with club players twiddling their thumbs) properly but it won't. The IR certainly isn't the place to start with if it ever is addressed.
Starting to actually think it Was better when they beat the shite outta each other. That was fairly tame.
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 20, 2013, 08:39:03 AM
I was in Thomond park so I didn't see this, but I heard the last 10 minutes on the radio. I heard Peter canavan mentio our lads 'soccer styling' several times. Was there a lot of that again?
There's a logic in a lot of situations to dribbling the ball on the ground as you can't be tackled without having possession of the ball in your hands. Whereas the ideal kick pass in Gaelic football (ie the Colm Cooper-type pass where the ball bounces before it reaches the player) is a no-no in this game as the receiving player is immediately creamed out of it by a tackle.
Australia missed an open goal in the 3rd quarter which would have put 2pts in it going into the final quarter. They were just slow to get going. I think next week should be a decent game.
Quote from: outinfront on October 20, 2013, 01:10:42 PM
Starting to actually think it Was better when they beat the shite outta each other. That was fairly tame.
Nobody can say that the second match in 2006 didn't have the atmosphere of a serious sporting event. There was genuine anticipation for it and the Australians took it deadly seriously, as was shown on the pitch.
I've a certain amount of sympathy for the media line the Australians took after that match. It's either a serious test match, or it's tame exhibition stuff like last night. And if it's a serious test match, you can't really blame players for doing what they feel is necessary to win, within what they feel they can get away with.
There have been some good series in this event. 1998 and 2002 were very enjoyable. The second match 2006 as I said had the air of a serious sporting event. The 1999, 2003 and 2005 series were very well contested. But both teams took those series pretty seriously.
There's been a real half-assedness about the promotion of every series since 2006. If the GAA and AFL are going to be half-assed about it and completely sanitise it, they might as well not play it.
The second test in 2010 was a brilliant game, Australia won by 3 won by and won the series.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbbt7p7DKes
Don't think it will be as good as that next week, but we can only hope. Buddy Franklin going back to Australia is a big loss for the Indigenous team
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 20, 2013, 01:40:59 PM
The second test in 2010 was a brilliant game, Australia won by 3 won by and won the series.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbbt7p7DKes
Don't think it will be as good as that next week, but we can only hope. Buddy Franklin going back to Australia is a big loss for the Indigenous team
2010 second test was a really good game. Cluxton lost that game for Ireland. His kicking was atrocious. He gave away umpteen points.
Quote from: tommysmith on October 20, 2013, 11:53:20 AM
I haven't read back the thread, has anyone mentioned how dung it was?
Dung, Crap Muck... take your pick from almost half the posts. :D
Then we had all those lads who have no interest in it yet took up 8 or 9 pages posting about it ::)
And to cap it all some lad starting talking about getting crowds of 17,000 at the effin dodo Railway Cup.
If it wasn't for the Rules sure we'd all be talking about alternative Championship systems
Quote from: Zulu on October 20, 2013, 12:49:44 PM
Can't believe anyone is trying to make the Railway Cup argument again and with the same daft points!!!
It was poor fare in the main and I certainly wouldn't be in favour of it on a regular basis but players like it and the public attend it, if one or both of those ceased to be the case then scrap it.
The player burnout issue is far bigger than IR and should be addressed (along with club players twiddling their thumbs) properly but it won't. The IR certainly isn't the place to start with if it ever is addressed.
its an extra 2-3 months training that is not required IMO Zulu.
It's a vanity project for the GAA and the players, which represents the worst of two fantastic sports (sponsored by a hateful rag, I might add).
I doubt we'll see it again after this year.
Tommy Carr saying that he sees no reason why the Aussie Rules tackle can't be implemented in Gaelic football.
Must we hear this argument every time these games are played?
The only way i could see it attracting my attention would be for our players to play Aussie rules when we go south and them to play football when they come north. Forget about the compromise. That way we'd see real Gaa players play the game here. And adapting players play on tour.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 20, 2013, 03:01:36 PM
It's a vanity project for the GAA and the players, which represents the worst of two fantastic sports (sponsored by a hateful rag, I might add).
I doubt we'll see it again after this year.
It would be worth getting rid of it just to stop your constant bellyaching. >:(
Quote from: Sidney on October 20, 2013, 04:27:26 PM
Tommy Carr saying that he sees no reason why the Aussie Rules tackle can't be implemented in Gaelic football.
Must we hear this argument every time these games are played?
I stopped reading after this bit.
lol
I believe Murphy was outstanding for Glenswilly today ... How anyone could question his decision to play for Ireland last night is beyond me!!
Zack Touhy came on as a sub for Postlaoise today.
Some of the Aussie lads could have got a game today I'd say if they showed up at county grounds today.
Quote from: screenexile on October 20, 2013, 09:06:14 PM
I believe Murphy was outstanding for Glenswilly today ... How anyone could question his decision to play for Ireland last night is beyond me!!
Fair play to him, and fook the begrudgers.
Quote from: screenexile on October 20, 2013, 09:06:14 PM
I believe Murphy was outstanding for Glenswilly today ... How anyone could question his decision to play for Ireland last night is beyond me!!
Great stuff from him by the sound of it.
1-5 and a man of the match performance.
Now just imagine he'd been injured last night.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 20, 2013, 03:01:36 PM
It's a vanity project for the GAA and the players, which represents the worst of two fantastic sports (sponsored by a hateful rag, I might add).
I doubt we'll see it again after this year.
Only 90% correct. We will see it again because the Aussie freebie trips for officials will ensure that this spurious nonesense will continue. Sure the players like it - it gives some stati]us and the possibility of a paid (yes "paid") trip abroad - but in the end of the day the suits who organise and run this invented stuff will still yearn for their wee trips all expenses paid to Aussie now and then as well as the big dinners at home. It is a circus and those who applaud and turn up are the clowns.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 20, 2013, 10:09:42 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 20, 2013, 09:06:14 PM
I believe Murphy was outstanding for Glenswilly today ... How anyone could question his decision to play for Ireland last night is beyond me!!
Great stuff from him by the sound of it.
1-5 and a man of the match performance.
Now just imagine he'd been injured last night.
Shhhh Jinxy, Don't be saying such things! There was no way he would have got injured. Now go down the room and find those blinkers and put them on. :P
Quote from: Leo on October 20, 2013, 10:24:21 PM
It is a circus and those who applaud and turn up are the clowns.
I've always enjoyed circuses and I'm not a clown.
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Quote from: Jinxy on October 20, 2013, 03:01:36 PM
It's a vanity project for the GAA and the players, which represents the worst of two fantastic sports (sponsored by a hateful rag, I might add).
I doubt we'll see it again after this year.
Only 90% correct. We will see it again because the Aussie freebie trips for officials will ensure that this spurious nonesense will continue. Sure the players like it - it gives some stati]us and the possibility of a paid (yes "paid") trip abroad - but in the end of the day the suits who organise and run this invented stuff will still yearn for their wee trips all expenses paid to Aussie now and then as well as the big dinners at home. It is a circus and those who applaud and turn up are the clowns.
All hail the new Caesar.
A peculiarly and particularly anaemic 'contest' that should now have the decent thing done, and the coffin lid nailed firmly shut.
I don't begrudge anyone who enjoys this for what it is - a now largely asinine and inoffensive bit of fluff and a jolly-up to round out the season. You'd think it was the slaughter of innocents the way some people get their backs up so much about it every year. The only thing that irks me about it, if anything, is that it can't be played full-tilt anymore because of the inequities between both sets of players and the danger of serious injuries if the Aussies come with intent to throw their weight around like they did under that headbanger Sheedy.
The only true future for this - I mean as a legitimate contest and not the testimonial/exhibition it has now become - would be if enough Irish were playing in Australia at a given time or had returned to Ireland with AFL experience, and we could field a team that could firstly go toe-to-toe with the Aussies in a physical sense and secondly play one of the tests with the Sherrin. Anything other than that and it will remain a heavily diluted, banal piece of flim-flam.
Which is not to say people shouldn't support it and go along if they like it and as long as the interest remains from players and fans, then I say let it continue until the situation changes.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 21, 2013, 06:08:50 AM
I don't begrudge anyone who enjoys this for what it is - a now largely asinine and inoffensive bit of fluff and a jolly-up to round out the season. You'd think it was the slaughter of innocents the way some people get their backs up so much about it every year. The only thing that irks me about it, if anything, is that it can't be played full-tilt anymore because of the inequities between both sets of players and the danger of serious injuries if the Aussies come with intent to throw their weight around like they did under that headbanger Sheedy.
The only true future for this - I mean as a legitimate contest and not the testimonial/exhibition it has now become - would be if enough Irish were playing in Australia at a given time or had returned to Ireland with AFL experience, and we could field a team that could firstly go toe-to-toe with the Aussies in a physical sense and secondly play one of the tests with the Sherrin. Anything other than that and it will remain a heavily diluted, banal piece of flim-flam.
Which is not to say people shouldn't support it and go along if they like it and as long as the interest remains from players and fans, then I say let it continue until the situation changes.
Personally I think its a nonsense to say our lads can't handly a physical contest. They do have a couple of 6' 6" plus monsters, but generally there's not much in it. The time under Sheedy you mentioned was the cowardly dirty play that got us, which the refs' should have clamped down on. The fair hits our lads are well able to give and take.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 20, 2013, 03:01:36 PM
It's a vanity project for the GAA and the players, which represents the worst of two fantastic sports (sponsored by a hateful rag, I might add).
I doubt we'll see it again after this year.
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Yes we will, as there is 2 tests next year in Australia, no doubt you will be at the same moaning this time next year.
I don't see what the outrage is about either. Yes the match wasn't the best on Saturday but I think that was more to do with it being the first game and taking both teams a while to get up to a certain level. The 2nd half was a much more flowing and better game than the first.
As for the "that game on Saturday was shite so it must be dead" argument... you do know that a fair chunk of Championship games this year were complete dross also. Negative, defensive low scoring affairs are quite common in our game so I don't see why a damp squib in the International Rules should be treated any differently.
It's attracting crowds, attracting sponsors, is enjoyed by players so what is the harm in the series?
PS. Anyone talking about a mass exodus of lads to Australia is talking nonsense!
Quote from: screenexile on October 21, 2013, 09:13:45 AM
I don't see what the outrage is about either. Yes the match wasn't the best on Saturday but I think that was more to do with it being the first game and taking both teams a while to get up to a certain level. The 2nd half was a much more flowing and better game than the first.
As for the "that game on Saturday was shite so it must be dead" argument... you do know that a fair chunk of Championship games this year were complete dross also. Negative, defensive low scoring affairs are quite common in our game so I don't see why a damp squib in the International Rules should be treated any differently.
It's attracting crowds, attracting sponsors, is enjoyed by players so what is the harm in the series?
PS. Anyone talking about a mass exodus of lads to Australia is talking nonsense!
Jesus lads, the prestige that is being attached to this thing by some is embarrassing.
We're drawing a line between it and the championship now?
Quote from: Jinxy on October 21, 2013, 09:19:39 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 21, 2013, 09:13:45 AM
I don't see what the outrage is about either. Yes the match wasn't the best on Saturday but I think that was more to do with it being the first game and taking both teams a while to get up to a certain level. The 2nd half was a much more flowing and better game than the first.
As for the "that game on Saturday was shite so it must be dead" argument... you do know that a fair chunk of Championship games this year were complete dross also. Negative, defensive low scoring affairs are quite common in our game so I don't see why a damp squib in the International Rules should be treated any differently.
It's attracting crowds, attracting sponsors, is enjoyed by players so what is the harm in the series?
PS. Anyone talking about a mass exodus of lads to Australia is talking nonsense!
Jesus lads, the prestige that is being attached to this thing by some is embarrassing.
We're drawing a line between it and the championship now?
I'm not comparing it to Championship in terms of prestige just quality of the game. Many are lambasting the poor quality of the game on Saturday night when many Championship games have been poor this year... should we compare it to the League or McKenna Cup, it would probably come out slightly favourably if compared to those games!!
Dont know if this has already been mentioned but I think it would be more fun/fairer if one test was played with our ball and one test with the AFL ball
You get poor games in all sports, for a multitude of reasons.
However, at least there is usually something at stake.
I don't know if you can call something that's played a couple of times a year every couple of years, a 'sport'.
It's a bit like watching International Superstars back in the day.
We feel a bit of pride that a badly sunburnt Pat Spillane is competing with the pro athletes but deep down we know the whole concept is pretty daft.
Personally I don't like the game at all but respect the players desire to play in it. However, it should not be scheduled during a time when county finals and provincial campaigns are taking place and putting players in difficult positions. Gaelic games should come first. If people want to retain this as a viable exercise, it should not be at the expense of club football/hurling.
Quote from: screenexile on October 21, 2013, 09:13:45 AM
It's attracting crowds, attracting sponsors, is enjoyed by players so what is the harm in the series?
It's not "pure" enough for some it seems and sure you can't be having a crowd enjoying themselves at a game and as for the players - disgraceful. Typical members of the GPA. They should be going around being miserable like some of the naysayers here.
Someone once referred to a type of person who live life in awful fear and dread that someone somewhere might be enjoying themselves. So they try to ban everything that might be enjoyable.
We seem to have a fair few of them sort lurking here.
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Quote from: screenexile on October 21, 2013, 09:13:45 AM
It's attracting crowds, attracting sponsors, is enjoyed by players so what is the harm in the series?
It's not "pure" enough for some it seems and sure you can't be having a crowd enjoying themselves at a game and as for the players - disgraceful. Typical members of the GPA. They should be going around being miserable like some of the naysayers here.
Someone once referred to a type of person who live life in awful fear and dread that someone somewhere might be enjoying themselves. So they try to ban everything that might be enjoyable.
We seem to have a fair few of them sort lurking here.
of course its enjoyed by the players, they friggin got to stay in a decent hotel for 3 nights.... F.O. bloody C / ziltch / gratis / nada cash required !!! (apparently)
Players also enjoy the Railway Cup which many people advocate getting rid of.
My main gripe with the IR series is that it diminishes both codes instead of promoting them.
If an alien landed and you showed him this and said, "This is a combination of gaelic football and aussie rules", he wouldn't be going out of his way to watch either code in its true form.
In actual fact, he'd probably be so disgusted he'd zap you with his ray gun.
People should really stop comparing the RC with the IR as the arguments for retaining them are fundamentally different.
I don't think the idea is to promote either sport specifically but it has probably done so by drawing attention to the existence of the sports in countries where they wouldn't be overly popular.
I can certainly see why some GAA folk would have no interest but I can't see why there'd be any real objection to a 2 game series in October.
Adam Goodes flew in from Australia yesterday and will be available for the second test. A serious player, Probaly Australias best player when they won the series in 2010.
The likes of jinxy and from the bunker should a put a sock it in, Ye don't like it, stop repeating yourselves.
QuoteInternational rules players pulled up after drunken night out
Date
October 21, 2013 - 9:30PM
Jon Pierik
Sports writer with The Age
A drunken night out has ended with Australian players hauled before team management and reminded of their responsibilities to an International rules series in Ireland already hanging by a thread.
Several players had a boozy Sunday-night night out at a nightclub in the town of Limerick, before retiring to a room of one of the players at the team's Dromoland Castle hotel in Ennis in the early hours of Monday morning.
Hotel staff asked the hard-partying players to turn down their music about 5am, before having to return 15 minutes later to again insist they desist from making noise. A vase was heard smashing, with others in the building woken up.
It was the second straight night of heavy drinking by the players after they were beaten in the series opener on Saturday night.
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AFL deputy chief executive Gillon McLachlan, AFL operations manager Mark Evans and coach Michael O'Loughlin hauled the players into a team meeting after breakfast, where they were told it was now time to refocus.
The AFL insists the incident was not a major one. No players will be sent home, avoiding the controversy of the 2006 tour when Brendan Fevola was told to pack his bags after an incident with a barman at a Galway pub.
The AFL is expected to officially comment on the events of the night at training later on Monday.
The tourists had made a long bus trip from Cavan to Dromoland Castle in Ennis on Sunday. The team will remain at the castle until Tuesday when it returns to Dublin for the final leg of the tour.
The future of the International rules concept will be discussed at length on Wednesday when McLachlan meets his GAA counterparts.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/international-rules-players-pulled-up-after-drunken-night-out-20131021-2vxcw.html#ixzz2iMZFRaOO
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 21, 2013, 02:22:24 PM
Adam Goodes flew in from Australia yesterday and will be available for the second test. A serious player, Probaly Australias best player when they won the series in 2010.
The likes of jinxy and from the bunker should a put a sock it in, Ye don't like it, stop repeating yourselves.
Very good Rodney. That's a great formula for debate - only those who agree with me may speak.
I am getting sick of the line that anyone who criticises this crap is some sort of curmudgeon/backwoodsman/puritan who hates to see others enjoying themselves. I love to see people enjoying themselves, whether it's watching good sport, listening to Garth Brooks or watching monster trucks reversing around a big field. It doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to say that, in my opinion, Garth Brooks's "music" is unbearable or that I think the whole monster trucks idea is shite and I couldn't bear to watch it.
If lads enjoy driving monster trucks Hardy, what business is it of yours?
>:(
I liken this game to something like the pick of Ireland's hurlers taking on the National Hockey League All Stars in pitch and putt. It might be decent enough (maybe) to watch, but it's not Hurling or Hockey. But sure what harm I suppose.
Might go to see it now that Adam Goodes is going to be involved. What an athlete.
It's not the fact that it's a makey-uppey game that I dislike. All games are ultimately makey-uppey. It's mainly that I think it's dangerous and irresponsible to pit amateur athletes against professionals in a physical contact sport where a physical hit is a component of the game - a physical hit in which the professionals are trained and the amateurs are not.
People will say that's not an argument any more as the Aussies have cleaned up their act. Well it's that that's not an argument as far as I'm concerned. We can't be at the mercy of the Australian coach's choice of tactics or of his players' potential and often displayed indiscipline. The sight of Graham Geraghty lying with what I thought was a broken neck was the turning point for me. My attitude was confirmed in a more recent match when Emmet Bolton lay injured as a result of a tackle that's foreign to our sport and the Aussies high-fived each other on the basis that one of them had potentially disabled him. It's nothing to do with toughness or hardness. It's simply that our players are unschooled and not naturally braced for a hit that doesn't happen in Gaelic.
Plus, the GAA has nothing to gain and everything to lose from an unequal relationship with a sports/entertainment outfit from the far side of the world, whose main objective for the arrangement seems to be to get access to our best players.
Apart from that it's not just a makey-uppey game. It's a crap makey-uppey game. On the other hand, I love the hurling-shinty and I'm really looking forward to it on Saturday.
It was poor entertainment. As bad as the Aussies where, Ireland struggled to put them away and had some wayward shooting. It was the general pace of it that disappointed, when the Aussies upped it in QTR 3 it was more a contest for a brief ten minutes.
Just so much negativity about it at this stage - the game itself, availability of players etc. I think the club v country rows have to be taken out of the equation if the game is to continue. I'd set a deadline, of two weeks before the first game, any player still involved in club championship is ruled out of selection for the first test. Squad for the second test can name later if some players are freed up. We've enough players at a decent standard available on this basis. Might even help level the playing field a bit if the aussies continue with this type of squad.
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Ireland are gonna get hammered.. far too many mayo losers on the panel ::)
Asshole.
Anyway, I found this on hoganstand... If it's up here before good and well...
The club v. country row rumbles on as Mayo club Breaffy are the latest outfit to seek a postponement of the County SFC final.
Breaffy have Aidan O'Shea involved with the Ireland squad ahead of the International Rules test and with the second test on Saturday, October 26, just 24hrs before the county final against Castlebar Mitchels.
However, despite the club's pleas, the county final looks set to go ahead on Sunday, October 27th, but Mayo CCC chairman Mike Connelly stated that unless the Connacht club SFC was put back, then there was nothing they could do.
"We have to allow for the draw," Connelly told the Mayo News. "If Croke Park and Connacht Council decide to put the Connacht Championship back by a week, we can move the county final, but at the minute, we can't move it."
oh wait.. this isn't the final yet lets wait until the final and then get hammered :D mayo stylie
You are some dickhead
Worth having a google of "big footy international rules".
Brings you to their message board over in Australia. They don't seem too mad on it. Good few posts recall their best memories as as times when our lads got their head taken off.
We destroyed that Big Footy forum back in the day. Hardy, in the interests of sepia tinted reminiscing, would you post up your ode to Australian Rules that you sent over there?
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/a-gaelic-football-fans-first-impressions-of-aussie-rules.51373/
Quote from: Hardy on October 21, 2013, 03:31:03 PM
It's not the fact that it's a makey-uppey game that I dislike. All games are ultimately makey-uppey. It's mainly that I think it's dangerous and irresponsible to pit amateur athletes against professionals in a physical contact sport where a physical hit is a component of the game - a physical hit in which the professionals are trained and the amateurs are not.
People will say that's not an argument any more as the Aussies have cleaned up their act. Well it's that that's not an argument as far as I'm concerned. We can't be at the mercy of the Australian coach's choice of tactics or of his players' potential and often displayed indiscipline. The sight of Graham Geraghty lying with what I thought was a broken neck was the turning point for me. My attitude was confirmed in a more recent match when Emmet Bolton lay injured as a result of a tackle that's foreign to our sport and the Aussies high-fived each other on the basis that one of them had potentially disabled him. It's nothing to do with toughness or hardness. It's simply that our players are unschooled and not naturally braced for a hit that doesn't happen in Gaelic.
Plus, the GAA has nothing to gain and everything to lose from an unequal relationship with a sports/entertainment outfit from the far side of the world, whose main objective for the arrangement seems to be to get access to our best players.
Apart from that it's not just a makey-uppey game. It's a crap makey-uppey game. On the other hand, I love the hurling-shinty and I'm really looking forward to it on Saturday.
Now there's a makey-uppey game we can be proud of.
The Scots can fairly whack it.
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 21, 2013, 03:14:21 PM
I liken this game to something like the pick of Ireland's hurlers taking on the National Hockey League All Stars in pitch and putt. It might be decent enough (maybe) to watch, but it's not Hurling or Hockey. But sure what harm I suppose.
I think this 'Hocking' idea of yours has potential AZ.
Quote from: Hardy on October 21, 2013, 03:31:03 PM
It's not the fact that it's a makey-uppey game that I dislike. All games are ultimately makey-uppey. It's mainly that I think it's dangerous and irresponsible to pit amateur athletes against professionals in a physical contact sport where a physical hit is a component of the game - a physical hit in which the professionals are trained and the amateurs are not.
People will say that's not an argument any more as the Aussies have cleaned up their act. Well it's that that's not an argument as far as I'm concerned. We can't be at the mercy of the Australian coach's choice of tactics or of his players' potential and often displayed indiscipline. The sight of Graham Geraghty lying with what I thought was a broken neck was the turning point for me. My attitude was confirmed in a more recent match when Emmet Bolton lay injured as a result of a tackle that's foreign to our sport and the Aussies high-fived each other on the basis that one of them had potentially disabled him. It's nothing to do with toughness or hardness. It's simply that our players are unschooled and not naturally braced for a hit that doesn't happen in Gaelic.
Plus, the GAA has nothing to gain and everything to lose from an unequal relationship with a sports/entertainment outfit from the far side of the world, whose main objective for the arrangement seems to be to get access to our best players.
Apart from that it's not just a makey-uppey game. It's a crap makey-uppey game. On the other hand, I love the hurling-shinty and I'm really looking forward to it on Saturday.
Very good. ;D
Quote from: Hardy on October 21, 2013, 03:31:03 PM
The sight of Graham Geraghty lying with what I thought was a broken neck was the turning point for me.
This was where it ended for me also. I was disgusted that day. As a Mayo man I'd (at the time) not have been a big fan of Graham, but jez that tackle took the biscuit.
The naysayers will be pleased to note that the AFL has almost lost interest in the concept and on the back of numerous poor showings by Australian sides and stories of excessive partying by the indigenous lads it is likely that they will kill it off at a meeting with the GAA this Wednesday. I suspect the GAA is of similar mind.
The series was set up as an outlet to provide the players of both codes with an opportunity to represent their country. Having to bastardise both games was never going to work in the long term.
The AFL is becoming increasing professional and competitive and the clubs do not want their star players engaging in some mindless end of season series where they are at risk of serious injury. I am sure that GAA clubs have similar concerns.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 21, 2013, 08:45:28 PM
Quote from: Hardy on October 21, 2013, 03:31:03 PM
The sight of Graham Geraghty lying with what I thought was a broken neck was the turning point for me.
This was where it ended for me also. I was disgusted that day. As a Mayo man I'd (at the time) not have been a big fan of Graham, but jez that tackle took the biscuit.
I remember Paul McGrane being on the end of a brutal tackle too, and had to go off injured. He could've been very seriously injured. Think it was in 2002, and never saw him in an Ireland shirt after it.
Quote from: Hardy on October 21, 2013, 03:31:03 PM
It's not the fact that it's a makey-uppey game that I dislike. All games are ultimately makey-uppey. It's mainly that I think it's dangerous and irresponsible to pit amateur athletes against professionals in a physical contact sport where a physical hit is a component of the game - a physical hit in which the professionals are trained and the amateurs are not.
It's simply that our players are unschooled and not naturally braced for a hit that doesn't happen in Gaelic.
My feelings exactly. I'm sure we might hold our own in arm wrestles or chinup challenges and the like but to think that the Irish lads are psychologically or physically prepared to go full-tilt contact against the strongest Australians, in an all-out contest, is comically wide of the mark. The only player we have had in the modern incarnation of the game who could take and dish it out was McGeeney...and there aren't or won't be many more McGeeneys.
It all means that to make it somewhat viable it has to be pared down and made so docile as to mean it's not worth the bother. Again, though, if you enjoy watching it I respect that and have no problem if it continues...unlikely though it now seems.
McGeeney was (is) a hardy man, Sean Marty was never found wanting either.
It's pretty hard to watch nowadays as all the competitiveness has been removed from it. I did take in the game on saturday evening past and found myself wanting the Australians to win as in my opinion, the rules have been diluted and changed so much that it is virtualy impossible for the Aussies to win, or to even be competitive.
Their physicality, speed, fitness and professional athlete status has minimal bearing on the game, the rules dont allow them to intimidate ireland any longer and as a result ireland simply run away with it.
watching it you find yourself wanting a "dust up" or two to get the intensity of the game up a level or two.
To make the game even remotely fair, the aussies should be able to choose a goalie from ireland to play for them as quite frankly its just embarrassing to watch one of their players between the posts, obviously dangerous tackles should be taken out of it but it is much too tame at the moment so something needs to be done to make it more physical.
On another point, and im aware it has been raised elsewhere, being from tyrone, sean cavanagh using the memory of cormac mcanallen to strengthen his argument for playing compromised rules ahead of a club game, poor form!!
Sean Cavanagh should just stop talking to the media altogether at this stage.
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Quote from: Hardy on October 21, 2013, 03:31:03 PM
It's not the fact that it's a makey-uppey game that I dislike. All games are ultimately makey-uppey. It's mainly that I think it's dangerous and irresponsible to pit amateur athletes against professionals in a physical contact sport where a physical hit is a component of the game - a physical hit in which the professionals are trained and the amateurs are not.
It's simply that our players are unschooled and not naturally braced for a hit that doesn't happen in Gaelic.
My feelings exactly. I'm sure we might hold our own in arm wrestles or chinup challenges and the like but to think that the Irish lads are psychologically or physically prepared to go full-tilt contact against the strongest Australians, in an all-out contest, is comically wide of the mark. The only player we have had in the modern incarnation of the game who could take and dish it out was McGeeney...and there aren't or won't be many more McGeeneys.
It all means that to make it somewhat viable it has to be pared down and made so docile as to mean it's not worth the bother. Again, though, if you enjoy watching it I respect that and have no problem if it continues...unlikely though it now seems.
Dear God.
There are plenty of good arguments against the series without making up nonsense.
Soccer players are stronger than tennis players.
Gaelic footballers are stronger than soccer players.
Aussie rules players are stronger than gaelic footballers.
Rugby players are stronger than aussie rules players.
etc.
There's no need to feel inferior because the physical demands of gaelic football are different to the physical demands of aussie rules.
Geraghty got the massive hit in that game for giving Racial abuse in Australia the year before. It was Ott hit all the same. The Irish team on Saturday over were over all were taller then the Australians and there wasn't huge difference in S&C as is being made out.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 10:25:53 AM
Geraghty got the massive hit in that game for giving Racial abuse in Australia the year before. It was Ott all the same. The Irish team on Saturday over were over all taller then the Australians and there wasn't huge difference in S&C as is being made out.
No he didn't Rodney, you dipstick. ::)
Quote from: Jinxy on October 22, 2013, 09:46:03 AM
Sean Cavanagh should just stop talking to the media altogether at this stage.
+1 Couldn't agree more
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Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 10:25:53 AM
Geraghty got the massive hit in that game for giving Racial abuse in Australia the year before. It was Ott all the same. The Irish team on Saturday over were over all taller then the Australians and there wasn't huge difference in S&C as is being made out.
No he didn't Rodney, you dipstick. ::)
Oh really? No it never happened?
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Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 10:25:53 AM
Geraghty got the massive hit in that game for giving Racial abuse in Australia the year before. It was Ott all the same. The Irish team on Saturday over were over all taller then the Australians and there wasn't huge difference in S&C as is being made out.
No he didn't Rodney, you dipstick. ::)
Oh really? No it never happened?
There must have been some load of Irish lads giving racial abuse if all of them were hit for that reason.
He was targeted early in the match , whoever else got hit was after that.
He was targeted because he was involved in a shemozzle with one of their players in the game in Galway the week before.
They more or less said they were going to 'get' him in the papers.
Nothing to do with anything else Rodney.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 10:41:26 AM
He was targeted early in the match , whoever else got hit was after that.
That day, the Aussies systematically hit the nearest Irishman to them at the final whistle. Much as you would wish that it was some kind of moral crusade against racism, i'd be more inclined to think it was their pre-meditated attempt to physcially intimidate an Irish team that had beaten them week before in Galway, leading to a bit of abuse in the Irish press. If you dont believe me - listen to Anthony Moyles on Newstalk this week. He reckons it was the first time in his life that he went out onto a football pitch fearing for his safety.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 10:41:26 AM
He was targeted early in the match , whoever else got hit was after that.
That day, the Aussies systematically hit the nearest Irishman to them at the final whistle. Much as you would wish that it was some kind of moral crusade against racism, i'd be more inclined to think it was their pre-meditated attempt to physcially intimidate an Irish team that had beaten them week before in Galway, leading to a bit of abuse in the Irish press. If you dont believe me - listen to Anthony Moyles on Newstalk this week. He reckons it was the first time in his life that he went out onto a football pitch fearing for his safety.
Australia beat Ireland in Galway. Its not a cruasade he was targeted in Galway, he was a easy player to wind up
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 10:53:14 AM
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Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 10:41:26 AM
He was targeted early in the match , whoever else got hit was after that.
That day, the Aussies systematically hit the nearest Irishman to them at the final whistle. Much as you would wish that it was some kind of moral crusade against racism, i'd be more inclined to think it was their pre-meditated attempt to physcially intimidate an Irish team that had beaten them week before in Galway, leading to a bit of abuse in the Irish press. If you dont believe me - listen to Anthony Moyles on Newstalk this week. He reckons it was the first time in his life that he went out onto a football pitch fearing for his safety.
Australia beat Ireland in Galway. Its not a cruasade he was targeted in Galway, he was a easy player to wind up
Did they? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_International_Rules_Series
Interesting article on that 2006 series. http://www.thescore.ie/2006-international-rules-1136712-Oct2013/
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Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 10:53:14 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 22, 2013, 10:49:21 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 10:41:26 AM
He was targeted early in the match , whoever else got hit was after that.
That day, the Aussies systematically hit the nearest Irishman to them at the final whistle. Much as you would wish that it was some kind of moral crusade against racism, i'd be more inclined to think it was their pre-meditated attempt to physcially intimidate an Irish team that had beaten them week before in Galway, leading to a bit of abuse in the Irish press. If you dont believe me - listen to Anthony Moyles on Newstalk this week. He reckons it was the first time in his life that he went out onto a football pitch fearing for his safety.
Australia beat Ireland in Galway. Its not a cruasade he was targeted in Galway, he was a easy player to wind up
Did they? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_International_Rules_Series
In 2010 yes ;) ha yeah they did beat Ireland in that first test but there was obviously History with Geraghty the before those test that and he was easily targeted, which led to a scrap in Croke Parl
. If people can't see that then then they should lay off the herbal stuff.
Rodney, you would do yourself a favour if you stopped making stuff up and talking shite.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 11:08:34 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 22, 2013, 10:59:30 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 10:53:14 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 22, 2013, 10:49:21 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 10:41:26 AM
He was targeted early in the match , whoever else got hit was after that.
That day, the Aussies systematically hit the nearest Irishman to them at the final whistle. Much as you would wish that it was some kind of moral crusade against racism, i'd be more inclined to think it was their pre-meditated attempt to physcially intimidate an Irish team that had beaten them week before in Galway, leading to a bit of abuse in the Irish press. If you dont believe me - listen to Anthony Moyles on Newstalk this week. He reckons it was the first time in his life that he went out onto a football pitch fearing for his safety.
Australia beat Ireland in Galway. Its not a cruasade he was targeted in Galway, he was a easy player to wind up
Did they? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_International_Rules_Series
In 2010 yes ;) ha yeah they did beat Ireland in that first test but there was obviously History with Geraghty the before those test that and he was easily targeted, which led to a scrap in Croke Parl
. If people can't see that then then they should lay off the herbal stuff.
Are you on the herbal stuff? The 2010 first test was in Limerick and Geraghty wasn't even on that squad?
Geraghty wasn't on the squad in 2010 was aware of that, anyways it was in Limerick ,and Australia won im aware of all that yep,
There is a thread for the international haters, Hardy, do yourself a favour and post on there like a good hardy
meath man.
There you go again, trying to dictate who should be allowed to comment and where. If it's an attempt to divert attention from your making stuff up and talking shite, it's not working.
Is English ur first language Rodney?
Quote from: Hardy on October 22, 2013, 11:27:35 AM
There you go again, trying to dictate who should be allowed to comment and where. If it's an attempt to divert attention from your making stuff up and talking shite, it's not working.
Half the thread was based on negative stuff. Not making anything up, But maybe they just liked to target Geraghty. I know you were very defensive of Joe when he scored the touch down -try against Leinster (louth). so no surprise
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on October 22, 2013, 11:27:54 AM
Is English ur first language Rodney?
Yes, what about you?
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 10:25:53 AM
Geraghty got the massive hit in that game for giving Racial abuse in Australia the year before. It was Ott all the same. The Irish team on Saturday over were over all taller then the Australians and there wasn't huge difference in S&C as is being made out.
Nah, Rodney, the incident got little pr no notice in the Aussie media; it was the Indo/Sindo in the main that made a big deal of it here. I know because I took a personal interest in that story and in particular in the way the Indo went to town on it.
(My union, the INTO, were involved in a spat with the Dept. of Education at the time an I was incensed at the way the Indo covered the proceedings.)
I checked every Australian online source I could find and found no more than a passing reference to the incident in any of them.
Some weeks later, the Indo did carry an interview with Damian Cupido, the Aussie involved, who gave his version of what happened. However, it was buried on an inside page and it carried just the bare facts- none of "The Pope is Dead" headlines they used to vilify Geraghty in the first place.
Cupido said he didn't know what the fuss was about. He got far worse abuse when playing Aussie rules. He also admitted that he had been sent on to deliberately target Geraghty. He was ordered to go in "low, hard and dirty."
The Indo only carried this because the interview had already appeared in an Aussie paper.
I'm no fan of Geraghty but I think I'd have used worse language if I had been in his place and followed up with a good toe up the rock & roll and to hell with international relations and all that.
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 22, 2013, 10:49:21 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 10:41:26 AM
He was targeted early in the match , whoever else got hit was after that.
That day, the Aussies systematically hit the nearest Irishman to them at the final whistle. Much as you would wish that it was some kind of moral crusade against racism, i'd be more inclined to think it was their pre-meditated attempt to physcially intimidate an Irish team that had beaten them week before in Galway, leading to a bit of abuse in the Irish press. If you dont believe me - listen to Anthony Moyles on Newstalk this week. He reckons it was the first time in his life that he went out onto a football pitch fearing for his safety.
That's because it was the first time in his life he wasn't playing for Meath! :D
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: Hardy on October 22, 2013, 11:27:35 AM
There you go again, trying to dictate who should be allowed to comment and where. If it's an attempt to divert attention from your making stuff up and talking shite, it's not working.
Half the thread was based on negative stuff. Not making anything up, But maybe they just liked to target Geraghty. I know you were very defensive of Joe when he scored the touch down -try against Leinster (louth). so no surprise
More diversion, still not working - just more shite talk and making up. (Joe didn't need any defending, not having done any misdeed.)
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 22, 2013, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 10:25:53 AM
Geraghty got the massive hit in that game for giving Racial abuse in Australia the year before. It was Ott all the same. The Irish team on Saturday over were over all taller then the Australians and there wasn't huge difference in S&C as is being made out.
Nah, Rodney, the incident got little pr no notice in the Aussie media; it was the Indo/Sindo in the main that made a big deal of it here. I know because I took a personal interest in that story and in particular in the way the Indo went to town on it.
(My union, the INTO, were involved in a spat with the Dept. of Education at the time an I was incensed at the way the Indo covered the proceedings.)
I checked every Australian online source I could find and found no more than a passing reference to the incident in any of them.
Some weeks later, the Indo did carry an interview with Damian Cupido, the Aussie involved, who gave his version of what happened. However, it was buried on an inside page and it carried just the bare facts- none of "The Pope is Dead" headlines they used to vilify Geraghty in the first place.
Cupido said he didn't know what the fuss was about. He got far worse abuse when playing Aussie rules. He also admitted that he had been sent on to deliberately target Geraghty. He was ordered to go in "low, hard and dirty."
The Indo only carried this because the interview had already appeared in an Aussie paper.
I'm no fan of Geraghty but I think I'd have used worse language if I had been in his place and followed up with a good toe up the rock & roll and to hell with international relations and all that.
I think that was also the year Declan Browne was very cynically taken out during a warm-up game.
To be honest, there was a period of a few years where the aussies seemed to be going out of their way to genuinely hurt the irish lads.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on October 22, 2013, 11:27:54 AM
Is English ur first language Rodney?
Yes, what about you?
ha yeah they did beat Ireland in that first test but there was obviously History with Geraghty
the before those test that and he was easily targeted, which led to a scrap in Croke Parl
Just wondering
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on October 22, 2013, 12:17:00 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on October 22, 2013, 11:27:54 AM
Is English ur first language Rodney?
Yes, what about you?
ha yeah they did beat Ireland in that first test but there was obviously History with Geraghty the before those test that and he was easily targeted, which led to a scrap in Croke Parl
Just wondering
Fair enough. I was wondering about this too.Is English
ur first language Rodney?
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 11:17:32 AM
Geraghty wasn't on the squad in 2010 was awre, anyways it was in Limerick and Australia won im aware of all that yep,
Rodney - I've completely lost the run of what you are talking about? The Geraghty incident was in 2006 when Ireland won the first test in Galway, yet you are talking about the 2010 test in Limerick when Geraghty wasn't even on the squad as if it had some baring on what happened in 2006 in Croke Park.
You posted that Australia won the test in Galway 2006 before the Croke Park game that led to the Geraghty incident, yet when it is pointed out they lost you say, yes i know they won in Limerick, as if that was the game we were referencing. :o
Fair play to you - you've managed to (Joe) mangle my head with utter nonsense. (I'm quite proud of my aussie pun there, by the way. ;D)
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 22, 2013, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 22, 2013, 11:17:32 AM
Geraghty wasn't on the squad in 2010 was awre, anyways it was in Limerick and Australia won im aware of all that yep,
Rodney - I've completely lost the run of what you are talking about? The Geraghty incident was in 2006 when Ireland won the first test in Galway, yet you are talking about the 2010 test in Limerick when Geraghty wasn't even on the squad as if it had some baring on what happened in 2006 in Croke Park.
You posted that Australia won the test in Galway 2006 before the Croke Park game that led to the Geraghty incident, yet when it is pointed out they lost you say, yes i know they won in Limerick, as if that was the game we were referencing. :o
Fair play to you - you've managed to (Joe) mangle my head with utter nonsense. (I'm quite proud of my aussie pun there, by the way. ;D)
Yeah I'm aware he wasn't in the Squad in 2010, I was trying to say tongue in cheek that Australia beat Ireland in 2010,.. when you asked did they beat Ireland in Galway.. that's what I was referring too, the 2010 test was in Limerick so yes I was wrong.
Anyways, 2006 was the last year of the fighting , nothing recent. No players getting floored like Geraghty
Do you drive a DeLorean by any chance Rodney?
Not been driving one lately Jinxy.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 22, 2013, 10:18:14 AM
Soccer players are stronger than tennis players.
Gaelic footballers are stronger than soccer players.
Aussie rules players are stronger than gaelic footballers.
Rugby players are stronger than aussie rules players.
etc.
There's no need to feel inferior because the physical demands of gaelic football are different to the physical demands of aussie rules.
+1.
Some people's sense of manliness and Irish pride is being offended by suggestions we're a bit behind the Aussies in the contact end but with the exception of a few players (most notably McGeeney although yes, a few others too) I never had any other feeling watching any test, bar the last few, that if the Aussies had their bigger lads on board and took the notion they could take our lads apart at will. A couple of times, they did. AFAIR, McGeeney was the only one who ever came off best in one of those all too frequent roll-around-the turf grappling shemozzles we used to see all the time.
I feel no sense of shame saying that; it's not as if we're comparing like for like anyway. If we were the series wouldn't have had to be anaesthetised in the first place.
2 tickets in 302 or 311 going spare if anybody wants them...
From memoryDerry's SM Lockhart also had the ability to 'look after' himself.
pat spillane used to say it best, just sent out McGilligan to clock the opposition, the aussies never wanted to both with him, werent too fussed dealing with the grimleys back round 1990 either, they are plenty of gaelic footballers who can look after themselves, but they are footballers not boxers. If the macho Aussies were so great at boxing, they have a decent heavyweight, or decent fighters at any level in real boxing giving the population, Ireland produce plenty of quality boxers, just never had a serious heavy weight puglist. Any time i see Ireland play the aussies in rugby am convinced our team would kick the shit out of them if it came down to it
plus its not hard to take a man apart if u holding him down and hitting him unawares, or from behind which is a typical aussie cheapshot in a melee, thats tr**p johnston i think his name was, hit 3 or 4 irish lads, one of which was only looking at him, that aint a fighter that's a f**king coward
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 23, 2013, 08:09:15 PM
plus its not hard to take a man apart if u holding him down and hitting him unawares, or from behind which is a typical aussie cheapshot in a melee, thats tr**p johnston i think his name was, hit 3 or 4 irish lads, one of which was only looking at him, that aint a fighter that's a f**king coward
This looks like it should be in the I hate the international rules thread! :D
and so we come to the Final game . The media have done their best to tell us all how good the 2nd test will be , the physical stakes are supposed to be raised, the junket men have had their say, the players have talked it up (to ensure future trips). Facts are the GAA grass roots have no interest, and where it not for an expensive marketing campaign aimed at kids ( and when Joey / Molly wants to go, Da and Ma will ensure he/she gets there) and the corporate market ( remember Celebrity apprentice) few would have attended Breffni and don't forget the free patriotic flags provided to ensure " rent a mob " looked really patriotic.
On a more serious side, Donegal and other counties have come in for unwarranted severe criticism over clash of fixtures. The real culprit here is Paul Earley who should of announced his captain months before hand and then perhaps Donegal and others would have had time to re arrange their schedule. I think its time Paul held his hands up and said "I got this one wrong, It was really me who disrespected Michael Murphy, Donegal GAA and clubs fixtures through out the country".
Quote from: samwin08 on October 25, 2013, 11:17:39 AM
and so we come to the Final game . The media have done their best to tell us all how good the 2nd test will be , the physical stakes are supposed to be raised, the junket men have had their say, the players have talked it up (to ensure future trips). Facts are the GAA grass roots have no interest, and where it not for an expensive marketing campaign aimed at kids ( and when Joey / Molly wants to go, Da and Ma will ensure he/she gets there) and the corporate market ( remember Celebrity apprentice) few would have attended Breffni and don't forget the free patriotic flags provided to ensure " rent a mob " looked really patriotic.
On a more serious side, Donegal and other counties have come in for unwarranted severe criticism over clash of fixtures. The real culprit here is Paul Earley who should of announced his captain months before hand and then perhaps Donegal and others would have had time to re arrange their schedule. I think its time Paul held his hands up and said "I got this one wrong, It was really me who disrespected Michael Murphy, Donegal GAA and clubs fixtures through out the country".
Oh ffs, the problem is not Paul Earley!!
Aidan O'Shea is not the captain and he has pulled out because his club, Breaffy, are in the Mayo Co Final on Sunday.
The problem is with the fixtures planners who just shove the Int'l Rules series in after the All-Ireland, knowing full well that is when county finals are played in the vast majority of counties. When that is done, there will always be a clash and players will be left in the very unfair situation of having to make a decision on which to play.
There's no reason to believe this will be much tighter than the 1st test is there? Paddy power have the handicap for Ireland at -9.5, that looks pretty good to me.
Quote from: samwin08 on October 25, 2013, 11:17:39 AM
and so we come to the Final game . The media have done their best to tell us all how good the 2nd test will be , the physical stakes are supposed to be raised, the junket men have had their say, the players have talked it up (to ensure future trips). Facts are the GAA grass roots have no interest, and where it not for an expensive marketing campaign aimed at kids ( and when Joey / Molly wants to go, Da and Ma will ensure he/she gets there) and the corporate market ( remember Celebrity apprentice) few would have attended Breffni and don't forget the free patriotic flags provided to ensure " rent a mob " looked really patriotic.
On a more serious side, Donegal and other counties have come in for unwarranted severe criticism over clash of fixtures. The real culprit here is Paul Earley who should of announced his captain months before hand and then perhaps Donegal and others would have had time to re arrange their schedule. I think its time Paul held his hands up and said "I got this one wrong, It was really me who disrespected Michael Murphy, Donegal GAA and clubs fixtures through out the country".
There's a separate thread for the whingers and killjoys.
You should post this rant/whinge there.
Take out the whinging and this thread is about two pages long.
Boost for Kerry if he does return....
http://www.independent.ie/sport/tommy-walsh-may-return-home-to-the-kingdom-from-sydney-29697269.html
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 23, 2013, 08:06:20 PM
pat spillane used to say it best, just sent out McGilligan to clock the opposition, the aussies never wanted to both with him, werent too fussed dealing with the grimleys back round 1990 either, they are plenty of gaelic footballers who can look after themselves, but they are footballers not boxers. If the macho Aussies were so great at boxing, they have a decent heavyweight, or decent fighters at any level in real boxing giving the population, Ireland produce plenty of quality boxers, just never had a serious heavy weight puglist. Any time i see Ireland play the aussies in rugby am convinced our team would kick the shit out of them if it came down to it
Yeah.... and our da's would bate the crap out of their da's.................
Is there anybody out there?
Did Walsh put that last free wide from 21 yards out, now not a Gaelic wide but an Compromise Rules wide which gives him an extra 10 yards? Brutal.
I thought there would be a bit of an edge to the game but obviously the 'handbags' before the game was carefully orchestrated to get the crowd going but nothing more.
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Is there anybody out there?
No.
Nice goal by McManus.
Another addition to Horans Injury list there!
Haircut 100 on the sideline
Quote from: Line Ball on October 26, 2013, 07:12:15 PM
Did Walsh put that last free wide from 21 yards out, now not a Gaelic wide but an Compromise Rules wide which gives him an extra 10 yards? Brutal.
I thought there would be a bit of an edge to the game but obviously the 'handbags' before the game was carefully orchestrated to get the crowd going but nothing more.
There's actually a nice pace to this game albeit Ireland seem to be streets ahead.
Lee Keegan is a fabolous player
The Aussies can't handle Murphy.
The wee bit of "fighting" was very like the pretend fights they have in WWF.
Crowds haven't come as hoped for.
They should have had the games on a Sunday afternoon.
Actually cant believe how out of their depth the Australians look here, the round ball makes such a big difference between the 2 teams
Byrne should have two eyes on the ball rather than having one on Australia already!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 26, 2013, 07:35:07 PM
Actually cant believe how out of their depth the Australians look here, the round ball makes such a big difference between the 2 teams
Disagree, the Aussies have been able to kick scores just fine in previous years.
Ireland should be shooting for points quicker , they are running too long with the ball allowing the aussie to catch them just as they go to shoot
Great Vision by Cavanagh to see the man out of the corner of his eye there, i say that's game over
They should come out for the second half dressed as leprechauns.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 26, 2013, 07:34:35 PM
They should have had the games on a Sunday afternoon.
Hope they give out free burgers and chips to the crowd at half time. The crowd will need some sort of compensation.
The Irish on a different level, i haven't been following this but did the Aussies leave their best players at home or something?
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Ireland should be shooting for points quicker , they are running too long with the ball allowing the aussie to catch them just as they go to shoot
With over the bar worth half of an onion bag they should have just taken them rather than getting creamed in the final approach.
It doesn't really matter though.
I had the view since the 2009 Championship that Tadhg Kennelly was a carpet-bagging cnut. I'm delighted to see that 4 years later he continues to prove me right
When does the championship quarter happen ?
Quote from: armaghniac on October 26, 2013, 07:44:41 PM
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Ireland should be shooting for points quicker , they are running too long with the ball allowing the aussie to catch them just as they go to shoot
With over the bar worth half of an onion bag they should have just taken them rather than getting creamed in the final approach.
It doesn't really matter though.
It doesn't really matter this time but I say every year that it takes 3 points to make a goal in our game while it only takes 2 in this game.
Highlight of the night is the hot blonde doing the Irish dancing
28,000 here ... Its alright I've been to worse.
Daithi fair knows how to work a crowd baiiiiis!
Indigenous Aussie looked sickened after that first Half. They looked like a group who knew their fate and would have bitten your hand off for a ticket home there and then.
QuoteWhen does the championship quarter happen ?
Around this time net year.
Thats the poorest Australian team i have seen over here
Could we give them a lend of Murphy and thon beardy Laois boy to make a game of it.
Michael Murphy by himself makes the game worth watching
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 26, 2013, 08:16:47 PM
Thats the poorest Australian team i have seen over here
Fixed
WWF sham fight starting again.
The ref should blow this up.
If they showed more fight during the game than at breaks it might make for a better spectical.
Bomber can't keep his face straight here.
A team from Kerry or Cork alone would bate this outfit.
Well done to Ireland. World champions at International Rules.
What percentage of players playing Aussie rules are indigenous (or part indigenous)? 5-10%?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 26, 2013, 08:26:33 PM
Well done to Ireland. World champions at International Rules.
They're going to put 100 points on this outfit.
WE WANT 100!
I know alot of people on here dont want this series to continue but its obvious everybodys watching it, what else is there to do GAA wise on a sat night on October?/
Throw Mayo on.
We want 120! (was going to go 180 darts style but that is out of reach i think?)
what a load of nonsense this farce is surely over
A good club team would bate these poor lads.
Demoralising for them to come over here and get wiped.
Quote from: ONeill on October 26, 2013, 08:41:37 PM
Throw Mayo on.
We only lose meaningful games in Croker. Except for our Minors ;D
And that sums it all up.
Who will claim that score Conroy or Murphy or more than likely the goalie ?
Maybe the GAA/GPA should enter a team in the AFL ;)
Quote from: orangeman on October 26, 2013, 08:44:21 PM
A good club team would bate these poor lads.
Demoralising for them to come over here and get wiped.
Was that in Dromoland Castle?
Quote from: Line Ball on October 26, 2013, 08:49:19 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 26, 2013, 08:44:21 PM
A good club team would bate these poor lads.
Demoralising for them to come over here and get wiped.
Was that in Dromoland Castle?
There too.
Even the Aussies get a poor trade in the swapping of jerseys! The Irish one is horrible!
Final score (gaelic football wise) 6-22 to 2-07.
Embarrassing to hail this as the best Irish display ever.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 26, 2013, 08:52:24 PM
Even the Aussies get a poor trade in the swapping of jerseys! The Irish one is horrible!
Final score (gaelic football wise) 6-22 to 2-07.
You're having a laugh surely, the Aussie jersey is the worst item of clothing ever!!
I'd love to see us take on a proper Aussie team.
The Aussies obviously had half a mind on heading to Coppers later tonight.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 26, 2013, 08:58:43 PM
The Aussies obviously had half a mind on heading to Coppers later tonight.
A half a mind? Some of them still had their heads on it from last night by the look of things!! What's the bets there will be a glut of half breeds born next summer?
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 26, 2013, 08:58:43 PM
The Aussies obviously had half a mind on heading to Coppers later tonight.
A half a mind? Some of them still had their heads on it from last night by the look of things!! What's the bets there will be a glut of half breeds born next summer?
>:(
The Gárdaí and HSE will have a field day if that happens.
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 26, 2013, 08:58:43 PM
The Aussies obviously had half a mind on heading to Coppers later tonight.
A half a mind? Some of them still had their heads on it from last night by the look of things!! What's the bets there will be a glut of half breeds born next summer?
>:(
What's wrong with you?
Im abroad so zero TV coverage but it certainly looks pretty one sided from the reports. I still like the idea of the combined rules although they need to change things around to make it more interesting/competitive. What I dont get is why the AFL dont select a better team seeing as they seem more keen on the series than the GAA. I said it before and Ill say it again one test should be with the oval ball. By the way how did the the hurling/shinty game go? I also believe the new hybrid game Iomain was show cased - how was it?
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 26, 2013, 08:58:43 PM
The Aussies obviously had half a mind on heading to Coppers later tonight.
A half a mind? Some of them still had their heads on it from last night by the look of things!! What's the bets there will be a glut of half breeds born next summer?
...and the Aussie lads doing an awful lot of scratching on the flight home ;D
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 26, 2013, 08:58:43 PM
The Aussies obviously had half a mind on heading to Coppers later tonight.
A half a mind? Some of them still had their heads on it from last night by the look of things!! What's the bets there will be a glut of half breeds born next summer?
...and the Aussie lads doing an awful lot of scratching on the flight home ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3fP18gIoAY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3fP18gIoAY)
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on October 26, 2013, 09:17:02 PM
Im abroad so zero TV coverage but it certainly looks pretty one sided from the reports. I still like the idea of the combined rules although they need to change things around to make it more interesting/competitive. What I dont get is why the AFL dont select a better team seeing as they seem more keen on the series than the GAA. I said it before and Ill say it again one test should be with the oval ball. By the way how did the the hurling/shinty game go? I also believe the new hybrid game Iomain was show cased - how was it?
How can you take a sport seriously that changes the shape of the ball from one game to the next? The Aussies were beating us with the round ball when they sent a good team over. The reason they got hammered this year is because they sent a shite panel over and they have no interest in it.
We could try playing a 3rd of the game with an american football and the remaining 3/4 with tennis rackets and a frisbee.
There has to be some nonsensical combination that will work.
There's a trip to Australia at stake here lads.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 26, 2013, 09:34:53 PM
We could try playing a 3rd of the game with an american football and the remaining 3/4 with tennis rackets and a frisbee.
There has to be some nonsensical combination that will work.
There's a trip to Australia at stake here lads.
You're so negative. Think of all the positives from this series.
The Irish players got a rare Aussie Jersey they can show off at training.
The
Irish Daily Mail got exposure from this series.
The people who went to the game got a
Irish Daily Mail flag.
The Aussies got a Holiday and probably pissed a few times.
The GAA got a few Euro.
Some Mayo Lads got to lift a trophy in Croker!
The Irish Referees will go back to refereeing GAA thinking this is easy (but we all know they are sh1te).
Coppers will get a crowd tonight.
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Quote from: Jinxy on October 26, 2013, 09:34:53 PM
We could try playing a 3rd of the game with an american football and the remaining 3/4 with tennis rackets and a frisbee.
There has to be some nonsensical combination that will work.
There's a trip to Australia at stake here lads.
You're so negative. Think of all the positives from this series.
The Irish players got a rare Aussie Jersey they can show off at training.
The Irish Daily Mail got exposure from this series.
The people who went to the game got a Irish Daily Mail flag.
The Aussies got a Holiday and probably pissed a few times.
The GAA got a few Euro.
Some Mayo Lads got to lift a trophy in Croker!
The Irish Referees will go back to refereeing GAA thinking this is easy (but we all know they are sh1te).
Coppers will get a crowd tonight.
Not sure who got €€ but I'd say at €3 a go admission for most of the children, I'd say the GAA got very little. There seemed to be a fair old expenses budget set aside for all those training weekends in the big hotels round the country.
Coppers might get a few €€ and God knows what the Aussies will get in Coppers. :) :)
there was alot of children there the night, so a boxing session was probably the last thing the gamed needed, the price of football these days am sure its a nice change, a kids day out to watch gaa stars
The Aussie fans were criticised in 2011 for not showing up. But only 17,000 last week (see, it could have been held in Armagh after all) and 28,000 tonight. That is poor. The last few series at home were packed. Looks like both sets of fans are losing interest.
I'd say team made up of Irish lads who play for GAA teams Australia would have put up a better show in a game of Gaelic football than those Aussies did in that game.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on October 26, 2013, 10:24:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 26, 2013, 09:34:53 PM
We could try playing a 3rd of the game with an american football and the remaining 3/4 with tennis rackets and a frisbee.
There has to be some nonsensical combination that will work.
There's a trip to Australia at stake here lads.
You're so negative. Think of all the positives from this series.
The Irish players got a rare Aussie Jersey they can show off at training.
The Irish Daily Mail got exposure from this series.
The people who went to the game got a Irish Daily Mail flag.
The Aussies got a Holiday and probably pissed a few times.
The GAA got a few Euro.
Some Mayo Lads got to lift a trophy in Croker!
The Irish Referees will go back to refereeing GAA thinking this is easy (but we all know they are sh1te).
Coppers will get a crowd tonight.
Not sure who got €€ but I'd say at €3 a go admission for most of the children, I'd say the GAA got very little. There seemed to be a fair old expenses budget set aside for all those training weekends in the big hotels round the country.
Coppers might get a few €€ and God knows what the Aussies will get in Coppers. :) :)
Here we go again with the hotel begrudgery...we all enjoy a night on a good mattress, mini kettles, tasty uht milk, bikkies wrapped in tartan , with the wee soaps and shoe shine kits we bring home to the women like well groomed cavemen. More power to the panel
After the nights game, unless the Australians send their best, there's no point
PS..to this day, i still cant fathom how the irish version of the rag that is the daily mail started and still exists..shameful
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 26, 2013, 08:58:43 PM
The Aussies obviously had half a mind on heading to Coppers later tonight.
A half a mind? Some of them still had their heads on it from last night by the look of things!! What's the bets there will be a glut of half breeds born next summer?
>:(
What's wrong with you?
Blatant racism probably
How much would the Irish Daily Mail be putting into this deal ?
It"s not a big paper and you'd wonder what's in it for them. Does anyone know what sort of budget is set aside by the GAA for a domestic rules series ?
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 26, 2013, 08:58:43 PM
The Aussies obviously had half a mind on heading to Coppers later tonight.
A half a mind? Some of them still had their heads on it from last night by the look of things!! What's the bets there will be a glut of half breeds born next summer?
>:(
What's wrong with you?
Blatant racism probably
Jumping to conclusions lads. Your liberal leanings are liable to make fools of you. When I read it I interpreted it as half-Irish, half-Aussie with no racial connotations.
Me too.
There are few things more silly than people trying to convince themselves they're offended by a comment because they think possibly maybe in the year 2013 they're supposed to be.
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 27, 2013, 12:44:18 AM
Me too.
High 5!
BC1 isn't someone to be offended by even though he is from Cross.
Yeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!
We did it!
Champions of the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 26, 2013, 08:58:43 PM
The Aussies obviously had half a mind on heading to Coppers later tonight.
A half a mind? Some of them still had their heads on it from last night by the look of things!! What's the bets there will be a glut of half breeds born next summer?
>:(
What's wrong with you?
Blatant racism probably
Jumping to conclusions lads. Your liberal leanings are liable to make fools of you. When I read it I interpreted it as half-Irish, half-Aussie with no racial connotations.
In fairness any use of "half-breed" has racial connotations. Like it or not. Don't find it offensive myself but some certainly might.
Would the potential offspring of a blonde Aussie lad hooking up with an Irish girl be described as a half-breed? Answer is no.
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 26, 2013, 08:58:43 PM
The Aussies obviously had half a mind on heading to Coppers later tonight.
A half a mind? Some of them still had their heads on it from last night by the look of things!! What's the bets there will be a glut of half breeds born next summer?
>:(
What's wrong with you?
Blatant racism probably
Jumping to conclusions lads. Your liberal leanings are liable to make fools of you. When I read it I interpreted it as half-Irish, half-Aussie with no racial connotations.
In fairness any use of "half-breed" has racial connotations. Like it or not. Don't find it offensive myself but some certainly might.
Would the potential offspring of a blonde Aussie lad hooking up with an Irish girl be described as a half-breed? Answer is no.
Correct, in the context of an indigenous only Australian team it is a racist comment. The term half breed denotes inferior to full breed, it is a particular insult within aboriginal communities itself ironically enough.
I'd hasten to point out that I don't believe BC is racist or his comment was intentional
Quote from: Jinxy on October 27, 2013, 12:55:43 AM
There are few things more silly than people trying to convince themselves they're offended by a comment because they think possibly maybe in the year 2013 they're supposed to be.
Coming from the man who's spent the last few weeks shouting about how offended he his by Sean Cavanaghs opinion on what he feels honoured by, that comment is particularly ridiculous
Back to the game and I do think that the race issue was first introduced by the Aussies. After all they removed the national team idea and picked a specific race to play again Ireland. Possibly for the first time in sporting history it was a race based team versus a national team. That is against the very ethos of any sporting contest i know, and particularly an ideal based sporting organisation like the gaa were found wanting. It has convinced me that the Australian organisation has limited concern on this. I think the gaa are only concerned about the quality of footballer that has arrived and should be asking a few hard questions as to why a specific race was sent over. My bet is that this thing will eventually be handed over to the GPA to run anyway/ watch this space. The GPA could see the international perspective as a way of getting dough in and professional exercises and the gaa can still keep the thing amateur for the most part in Ireland. As for the game. Wouldn't mattered who was playing the game is a poor spectacle and can only improved with more boxing. On another note i think their will be a change in strategy and it will be the GPa who will be handed over the reins to devlope gaa abroad. Professionalism at power 11 super 10s or whatever they call it might be the approach. Multiple franchise business model and the pick of gaa players throughout Ireland post college level at manageable dough. Like Belfast giants but with a point. Then the least of our worries will be Australia. As it might be one nation where the product has too close a rival.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 27, 2013, 12:55:43 AM
There are few things more silly than people trying to convince themselves they're offended by a comment because they think possibly maybe in the year 2013 they're supposed to be.
That's a really good point.
Although the first test was poor I thought last night could have been a great spectacle if the Aussies had a decent team. For all the pissing and moaning of some posters on here this is still a great opportunity and a viable product if done correctly by both sides. At the end of the day there isn't a better alternative.
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 26, 2013, 08:58:43 PM
The Aussies obviously had half a mind on heading to Coppers later tonight.
A half a mind? Some of them still had their heads on it from last night by the look of things!! What's the bets there will be a glut of half breeds born next summer?
jaysus.......................... the Ó hAilpíns, Jayo , lee chin and the young lads coming the down the tracks will still have to put up with this lark ::)
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 26, 2013, 08:58:43 PM
The Aussies obviously had half a mind on heading to Coppers later tonight.
A half a mind? Some of them still had their heads on it from last night by the look of things!! What's the bets there will be a glut of half breeds born next summer?
jaysus.......................... the Ó hAilpíns, Jayo , lee chin and the young lads coming the down the tracks will still have to put up with this lark ::)
I doubt there was any real harm meant by the comment. But the comment carries harm in what it portrays. And if you can't see that then you have your own problems.
Quote from: rrhf on October 27, 2013, 05:11:21 AM
Back to the game and I do think that the race issue was first introduced by the Aussies. After all they removed the national team idea and picked a specific race to play again Ireland. Possibly for the first time in sporting history it was a race based team versus a national team. That is against the very ethos of any sporting contest i know, and particularly an ideal based sporting organisation like the gaa were found wanting. It has convinced me that the Australian organisation has limited concern on this. I think the gaa are only concerned about the quality of footballer that has arrived and should be asking a few hard questions as to why a specific race was sent over. My bet is that this thing will eventually be handed over to the GPA to run anyway/ watch this space. The GPA could see the international perspective as a way of getting dough in and professional exercises and the gaa can still keep the thing amateur for the most part in Ireland. As for the game. Wouldn't mattered who was playing the game is a poor spectacle and can only improved with more boxing. On another note i think their will be a change in strategy and it will be the GPa who will be handed over the reins to devlope gaa abroad. Professionalism at power 11 super 10s or whatever they call it might be the approach. Multiple franchise business model and the pick of gaa players throughout Ireland post college level at manageable dough. Like Belfast giants but with a point. Then the least of our worries will be Australia. As it might be one nation where the product has too close a rival.
Anti GPA paranoia (sp?) alive and well.
Relax buckeen.
Awful poor team sent from Oz for this one. If them lads can make a living from playing football with that level of "ability"...... shakes head.....
Loads of kids enjoying a night out in Croker and shouting for Ireland and seeing many of our top players in action and delivering a good range of skills, albeit without much opposition.
No harm in that - although Jinxy would probably make them all go to 5 Junior B games on wet days and windswept pitches in the middle of the Meath ranches to atone for their heresy.
Quote from: Zulu on October 27, 2013, 10:33:58 AM
Although the first test was poor I thought last night could have been a great spectacle if the Aussies had a decent team. For all the pissing and moaning of some posters on here this is still a great opportunity and a viable product if done correctly by both sides. At the end of the day there isn't a better alternative.
Hmmm.... I've noticed the pro-IR people use phrases like this a lot.
Do you all work in morkeshing?
You mean phrases like "alternative" "isn't" "there", please develop this further as I'm intrigued?
To say that there isn't an alternative to this product, therefore we must continue; would suggest that there is some imperative objective to be fulfilled here.
What is this objective exactly, financial, international relations, games promotion?
The gulf was huge yesterday evening. With such a gulf would it not be better to just play them straight out at their own game. Ball and all?
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 27, 2013, 03:00:24 PM
The gulf was huge yesterday evening. With such a gulf would it not be better to just play them straight out at their own game. Ball and all?
What about when they beat us handily at this game a few years ago? The gulf, while nowhere near as big as last night, was the other way - it was us who were way behind.
The decision to restrict the Australian panel to indigenous players only was nothing more than a gimmick aimed at rousing some interest in the series in Australia. The future of the game must be in huge doubt after last night's annihilation. I'd say the backers and sponsors were devastated by the gulf between the sides. Interest in Ireland is also clearly on the slide – check out the attendance figures for the last six series in Ireland.
2000 - 95000
2002 - 116000
2004 - 107000
2006 - 117000
2010 - 92000
2013 - 46000
It's no surprise that the big attendances accompanied the games that were surrounded in controversy and violence. The lesson is simple – the big Australian names have to play and the physicality has to be there or we're just not interested.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 27, 2013, 01:28:10 PM
To say that there isn't an alternative to this product, therefore we must continue; would suggest that there is some imperative objective to be fulfilled here.
What is this objective exactly, financial, international relations, games promotion?
It's been a success in previous years within the narrow parameters of existence. It's a game that allows players represent their country, it has attracted big attendances and keeps the GAA in the media. I don't think there is any real goal beyond that and if it was stopped I wouldn't lose any sleep but while it's being played I see no reason for the constant moaning of some. I never hear complaining about the shinty which doesn't even tick most of the boxes I mentioned.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/eamonn-sweeney-ego-trip-for-great-pretenders-29703105.html?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co
Jinxy will like that article.
Sweeney is an excellent journalist, on the money far often than he is not
At the end of the day, nobody has to watch it, sure there plenty of soccer or rugby to watch lads, if the players are interested in keeping it and want to play, i would still go with it, there is very little football on at this time of year anyway, or you have nothing to complain about
I was at the game last night and would have to agree the Aussies need to be look at their input to the series if its to continue. I left early but did enjoy some lovely football played and great scores by the Irish in the 1st half. Their speed and use of the ball was excellent albeit against limited opposition.
I don't understand people with a really strong opinion against the series. As has been pointed out no one is forcing them to watch it. For me any concept that has the potential to attract crowds of 100,000 in October to watch the very best gaa players has to be kept.
The gaa has big competition from soccer and rugby and anything that can attract those crowds and create headlines during the inter county offf season is a good thing if done right. The place was full of children last night having a great time. It's great that their memories are being made in croke park watching our best players and being part of a big gaa event rather than being in the Aviva at soccer or rugby.
From a players point of view it's great that they're getting extra exposure and being able to challenge themselves against top athletes from a different country. It may not be Gaelic football but it does require many of the same skills. Shooting passing catching the layout of the team are all the same. It also gives them a chance to represent their country in a competitive game and play alongside other top players. Not to mention a trip to australia.
Even after a poor game last week, an understrength Aussie team and negative coverage over 28000 still showed up last week which will be the last decent crowd in croke for the year. Looking at last weeks viewing figures it was tg4's top show by a mile and was well ahead of the county finals and rugby. So for all the so called lack of interest people are still watching.
For me effort should be made to get the top Australian players back involved and create a highly competitive test series again. Why people would want the gaa not to fight for the exposure this gives I've no idea. One thing they could do is move it to the sunday and insist any club games be played on a Saturday for the 2 weekends to ensure no rows over clashes.
Quote from: haze on October 27, 2013, 05:35:23 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/eamonn-sweeney-ego-trip-for-great-pretenders-29703105.html?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co
Jinxy will like that article.
Sweeney is an excellent journalist, on the money far often than he is not
I think he is crap personally.
Quote from: Zulu on October 27, 2013, 04:21:44 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 27, 2013, 01:28:10 PM
To say that there isn't an alternative to this product, therefore we must continue; would suggest that there is some imperative objective to be fulfilled here.
What is this objective exactly, financial, international relations, games promotion?
It's been a success in previous years within the narrow parameters of existence. It's a game that allows players represent their country, it has attracted big attendances and keeps the GAA in the media. I don't think there is any real goal beyond that and if it was stopped I wouldn't lose any sleep but while it's being played I see no reason for the constant moaning of some. I never hear complaining about the shinty which doesn't even tick most of the boxes I mentioned.
Sweeney was 100% right in todays Indo, it's an ego trip for the players and a plane trip for the officials.
The shinty/hurling crossover gets almost zero coverage despite being a far superior game and is played against our near neighbours from Scotland.
It also actively selects players from counties with a lower profile, particularly from the North.
It's played in a great spirit, with lots of skill and everyone seems to enjoy themselves.
And yet we don't have our top hurlers elbowing each other out of the way to play in it.
Why is that?
Do they not want to 'represent' their country or do they see it for what it is, which is basically an exhibition game.
Look at any of the aussie rules boards to see what they think about the IR series.
Half of them didn't know it was on, 75% of them think the game they are watching is Gaelic football and 90% of them think the Irish are whingers who have had all the physicality removed from the game.
As I said before, it diminishes both games.
To see our side making out like winning it is a big deal while their side sends a rubbish team and the fans don't even know it's on, is frankly a bit embarrassing.
Jinxy you do know Shinty isn't as taken as serious in Scotland as Hurling is in Ireland, and the main reason the Irish side is mainly made up of players from weaker Counties, is to make it more of a level playing field for the Scots, otherwise they would be hammered.
I do know that, I'm not sure why you'd think otherwise.
Anyway, here's another good article from Keith Duggan.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/genuine-fans-won-t-compromise-when-it-comes-to-quality-sport-1.1573690?page=2 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/genuine-fans-won-t-compromise-when-it-comes-to-quality-sport-1.1573690?page=2)
Fcuk me just noticed there'd have been more at the club final
QuoteI do know that, I'm not sure why you'd think otherwise.
Because you asked this....
QuoteAnd yet we don't have our top hurlers elbowing each other out of the way to play in it.
Why is that?
QuoteThe shinty/hurling crossover gets almost zero coverage despite being a far superior game and is played against our near neighbours from Scotland.
I think shinty/hurling thing is rubbish but I have no issue with it continuing and it certainly does nothing for the development of hurling.
QuoteLook at any of the aussie rules boards to see what they think about the IR series.
Half of them didn't know it was on, 75% of them think the game they are watching is Gaelic football and 90% of them think the Irish are whingers who have had all the physicality removed from the game.
As I said before, it diminishes both games.
How many Scots knew about the shinty/hurling game do you think?
GAA players play two 'compromise' games, one you can't stop giving out about the other you have no issue with? That shows you've no good reason for your anti-IR stance bar not liking the game (which is fair enough) but just ignore it if that's the case. That's what I do with sports I don't like.
Quote from: Zulu on October 27, 2013, 09:31:47 PM
QuoteI do know that, I'm not sure why you'd think otherwise.
Because you asked this....
QuoteAnd yet we don't have our top hurlers elbowing each other out of the way to play in it.
Why is that?
Richie Hogan, Paraic Maher, Brendan Maher & Shane O'Neill are all on this years panel.
Tommy Walsh has played in it before too.
I don't remember him ranking it up there with winning an All-Ireland though.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 27, 2013, 09:14:57 PM
Jinxy you do know Shinty isn't as taken as serious in Scotland as Hurling is in Ireland, and the main reason the Irish side is mainly made up of players from weaker Counties, is to make it more of a level playing field for the Scots, otherwise they would be hammered.
This has been discussed a few times over on the hurling forum but it's wrong to say that shinty "isn't as taken as serious in Scotland as hurling is in Ireland". It certainly doesn't have anywhere near the same nationwide support in Scotland as hurling does in Ireland, but in the shinty playing communities it means just as much to the people as hurling does in Ireland.
The second point is difficult to judge as there are so many more hurlers than there are shinty players. Ireland can pick from weaker counties and still choose some fine players. That said, the Scotland team is picked from those players who put themselves forward and commit to the thing so it's not the best pick of shinty players either, albeit there are a few in there who you would pick if you were going for the best shinty team possible.
There was actually a few years in the 90's when Ireland were picking the best hurlers and Scotland beat them every year. I don't think you can really use the match to gauge the relative strength of each nation anyway, it's not hurling and it's not shinty. The team who wins is usually the one who manage to win the battle to play their own game. It's never going to get near a proper game in either code nor could it ever mean the same to the players as success in their sport, but it gives them an international dimension and keeps alive an ancient link. No harm in it.
Oh, another thing I hate about it (before I forget) is the way the crowd cheer a 'wide' for 1 point as if it was some sort of achievement.
Except of course, its not a wide, unless the team are playing Gaelic football, which they are not. If you are applying those criteria to different sports, then a try in rugby would not be a score unless they went over between the posts.
A wide would be if it went outside the 'behind' posts.
Admittedly an easier score due to the larger target area, a score none-the-less. Only awarded one point which is fair enough in a game where the winning team averages over 60 points.
A mongrel of a game. It really doesn't matter if Ireland wins it or not except for the cup which could be used in something much more important and appropriate.
Big win against an Australian side which is not representative of the best AFL players. But at the same time the Ireland team was not made up of all the best players either.
QuoteRichie Hogan, Paraic Maher, Brendan Maher & Shane O'Neill are all on this years panel.
Tommy Walsh has played in it before too.
I don't remember him ranking it up there with winning an All-Ireland though.
I presume you agree players can rank achievements in their sporting careers as they see fit even if someone like yourself, who has managed few, if any of them, doesn't agree?
Secondly, getting selected for the IR series is a huge achievement as you are being recognised as one of the best footballers in Ireland and you're playing against a team consisting of many of the best players in another, similar, sport. The shinty/hurling game doesn't do that.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 28, 2013, 12:00:49 AM
Oh, another thing I hate about it (before I forget) is the way the crowd cheer a 'wide' for 1 point as if it was some sort of achievement.
Most of your complaints are nonsense but this one is plain daft, fans cheering for a score what next??? ::) ::)
So lets get this right, Jinky's lists of moans re this compromise game include:
1. Fans cheer for a score
2. Players rate being selected as one of the best achievements in their sporting lives.
3. Many Aussies aren't really into it.
4. I don't like watching it so it's shite
5. It doesn't promote either sport
Now here's a list of things that make the other compromise game just fine:
1. Players don't rate getting selected as much of an achievement
2. Many Scots and Irish aren't into it
3. I like watching it so it's great
4. It doesn't promote either sport
Well it's good to see your objection to IR is based on a logical thought process.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 28, 2013, 12:00:49 AM
Oh, another thing I hate about it (before I forget) is the way the crowd cheer a 'wide' for 1 point as if it was some sort of achievement.
oh, i get your bitterness now, its NOT gaelic football you're watching. Its a hybrid of 2 DIFFERENT field sports. :)
Pretty poor fare on Saturday night. The Aussies have been on the sauce since the plane landed and by all accounts have been in every pub from Limerick to Cavan and back to Dublin again.
Saw them play a practice game against a combination of club players in Dublin and they barely won. Some of them never kicked a Gaelic Football until that game and they only trained twice from that point to the first Test.
I'm tired of listening to people defending this charade as if to criticise it is an imprisionable offence.
The Aussies have no interest in it. Yet we have to listen to people criticise fixture makers for daring to fix club games that been delayed for months due to county fixtures around the same times as Test games.
If players rated it being one of the biggest achievements of their lives why do the likes of Gooch Cooper opt out of it? Because he thinks it a poor game and he's said so.. Bernard Brogan opted out too. Cluxton the same. thats 3 players who would make the best 15 in Ireland this year. Neither had club commitments.
So while we criticise the All-Australian Allstars Team for not bothering their arse to come over and play in this- when our own equivalents dont want to play in it do we have the right to? Not really.
The idea that 7 year olds around Ireland are kicking Gaelic Footballs around the back garden in the dream to play for Ireland is silly. They dream about playing for club and county. Gaelic Football is played all over the world that's what we should promote and be proud to do so.
If we're looking for international outlets- promote the game itself instead of promoting a compromise that satisfies nobody. This will go the way of the Railway Cup soon enough.
QuoteI'm tired of listening to people defending this charade as if to criticise it is an imprisionable offence.
Nonsense, nobody has a problem with criticism of IR the issue is some posters are coming on here and making the same points, some of which are quite daft, over and over again. If a soccer supporter was doing the same about football or hurling your call them a WUM and say we should ignore them.
While some of your points are valid others are weak and if yhe best players continue to make themselves available and crowds are still good then I see no point in abandoning it. More to the point I fail to see why you and others get your knickers in a twist over it. It's two games and is successful in many ways.
Martin Breheny– 28 October 2013
(Ireland win series 173-72 on aggregate)
IT'S simple really – Australia dispatched their weakest squad in the 29-year history of the International Rules series and were soundly thrashed by an Irish outfit which Paul Earley had prepared and structured for much sterner tests.
Whether the International Rules game has a long-term future should have nothing to do with what happened in Kingspan Breffni Park and Croke Park over the last two Saturdays, because it wasn't a battle of equals. For bizarre reasons which only the AFL can explain – and they haven't – Australia sent a team comprised of indigenous players only.
Out of their depth and left drowning in a swirling sea of incompetency, they didn't even show any of the defiant qualities which are always associated with Australian sport. It left coach Michael O'Loughlin so frustrated that he had to restrain himself before commenting on the dismal performances.
"It was like the best U-18 team playing the best U-13s. Obviously, we were the U-13s," he said. He also explained that he had been advised not to express what he really felt about the squad that had let their country down with such a gutless effort.
"Some really wise heads said to me afterwards – be careful what you say," stated the exasperated coach, who was still sufficiently honest to leave his players in no doubt as to how disgusted he was with their efforts.
"As a coach, I feel a bit ill, a bit sick. It has hurt me to the core. Some of our efforts were really flat. I guess some guys aren't able to follow instructions. Not singling anyone out, but there were some really terrible decisions made out there. We wanted to kick the ball all the time when the message was to use our hands and our leg speed.
"You've got to be able to run and carry. Some guys don't want to do that because sometimes it's hard. That's the reality of it.
"I didn't want to say anything (to the players) that I would regret in five years time. This is as flat as I've ever been. You're lost for words because you can't believe what's happening. You go through the whole thing, but it's frustrating when guys refuse to follow instructions," he said.
Harsh comments, but they were all totally accurate as Australia fumbled from crisis to crisis with no apparent means of escaping from their torment.
That's not to take away from the record-breaking Irish performance, for which Earley is entitled to huge credit. His squad selection was well thought out and he decorated that with a carefully considered tactical approach which was designed for a much higher level of opposition than Ireland encountered.
Indeed, it was a real pity that Australia didn't offer greater resistance to test an Irish squad that never had its capabilities fully stretched.
"We knew that the second game was going to be our better game.
"We had worked on a lot of the things that you saw there tonight. We weren't anything like 100pc perfect the first day, but we were much better tonight. We focused on our own game and it worked.
"Our players are professional in everything they do except getting paid.
"When we got 20 points ahead we wanted to make it 40 and when we got 40 ahead we wanted to make it 80. That's what good teams do. You never defend a lead, in my opinion, in a team game. You try to double it. The lads played right to the end. We had set certain targets for each quarter and they exceeded those targets," said Earley.
That was, indeed, the case. Taking a 22-point lead into the second game meant that Ireland were virtually certain to retain the Cormac McAnallen Cup, a target they made all the more reachable with an impressive first-half blitz, which saw them lead Australia 53-16 at the interval.
Even then, they didn't let up, stretching ever further ahead as they galloped towards the 100-point mark.
A Sean Cavanagh 'over' in the final quarter took them through the century barrier and on their way to a 116-point total.
Ireland led 78-25 heading into a final quarter which nobody really wanted as it was quite clear by then that there was nothing left in this series for the Australians.
They scored two goals in the final period, but Ireland countered with a goal from Paul Conroy and no fewer than seven 'overs'.
The one-sided nature of this series inevitably raises a question about its future, but, as Earley pointed out, it's all about the quality of the competing teams.
On this occasion, Australia sent a weak squad which never came close to a well-drilled Irish team.
"It's important this continues because the players want it. There are issues with the availability of Australian players, but instead of finding reasons why it shouldn't continue, we need to look at ways of making it work, including the Australians having their top players," said Earley.
O'Loughlin was equally adamant that the series should continue, but clearly the Australians need to sort themselves out after this debacle.
His immediate challenge was to try to explain why it had all gone so wrong.
"It's not the team that I know and the players that I know. Full credit to Ireland – I watched them in awe. The series should go ahead regardless of what happened tonight. You can imagine how flat our guys are after a margin like that. We started well, but in the end, it was all huff and puff.
"This is one of the most disappointing moments I have had. But you have to stand up and face the music – that's what these players have to do now," he said.
Suffice to say, that if the series continues, few of this squad will wear the Australian jersey again.
Martin Breheny has previously criticised fixture makers for forcing players to choose between club or country and now he reckons the decision on the future of the series 'should have nothing to do with what happened in Kingspan Breffni Park and Croke Park over the last two Saturdays'.
He really wants to see the series continue it would seem.
I wonder why?
No less illogical than your own anti-IR stance.
Quote from: Zulu on October 28, 2013, 11:11:00 AM
QuoteI'm tired of listening to people defending this charade as if to criticise it is an imprisionable offence.
Nonsense, nobody has a problem with criticism of IR the issue is some posters are coming on here and making the same points, some of which are quite daft, over and over again. If a soccer supporter was doing the same about football or hurling your call them a WUM and say we should ignore them.
While some of your points are valid others are weak and if yhe best players continue to make themselves available and crowds are still good then I see no point in abandoning it. More to the point I fail to see why you and others get your knickers in a twist over it. It's two games and is successful in many ways.
But the best players aren't making themselves available so your point is redundant on that Zulu.
I know of three other Dublin players who wwill win all-stars this year who also turned it down because they couldn't be bothered with it.
If the All-Australian team and our best Gaelic Footballers don't want to play in it- why bother?
Which players Indianna,? Brogan was carrying a knock so couldn't play. He has played before and probably would have made himself available again. Cluxton was also carrying an injury. Cooper turned it down in the past but was interested in playin this year only for club action...
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.breakingnews.ie%2Fsport%2Fgaa%2Finjuries-rule-out-cluxton-and-brogan-for-international-rules-609068.html&ei=_4ZuUs-jCuTX7Aan0IAY&usg=AFQjCNHxYhZLiZouCUsi9ZGUrJaET0-RQw&bvm=bv.55123115,d.ZGU
Michael Murphy , Jack McCaffrey, Aidan Walsh, Paul Flynn, Cavanagh, Aidan O Shea are some of the biggest names in Gaa.
Saying the big names don't make themselves available isn't accurate
Ah come on Indiana, all the players you mentioned have played in the IR, Cooper isn't really suited to the game and has club commitments so we're talking about 2 players on this occasion only. I don't think Bernard Brogan or Cluxton will refuse every invite should the IR continue. I'll have to take your word on the other 3 players but even if they are All Stars they would necessarily make the an Irish team.
I don't disagree with your final point however, if it turns out that neither country can get their best (or close to) team out then it will lose it's appeal and be worthless but that hasn't quite happened yet and I would give it another series or two to establish the likely future pattern. I wouldn't deny that it seems to be a fading concept but it's still far superior to the shinty/hurling compromise but I hear nobody complaining about that.
Quote from: Zulu on October 28, 2013, 11:11:00 AM
QuoteI'm tired of listening to people defending this charade as if to criticise it is an imprisionable offence.
Nonsense, nobody has a problem with criticism of IR the issue is some posters are coming on here and making the same points, some of which are quite daft, over and over again. If a soccer supporter was doing the same about football or hurling your call them a WUM and say we should ignore them.
While some of your points are valid others are weak and if yhe best players continue to make themselves available and crowds are still good then I see no point in abandoning it. More to the point I fail to see why you and others get your knickers in a twist over it. It's two games and is successful in many ways.
I'd be disappointed with the crowds to be honest.
Yes this year, but overall they have been good. In fairness you'd be hard pressed to get 28,500 at a lot of genuine GAA fixtures so even a poor IR crowd is decent compared to many other games held this year.
We're all Irish Zulu.
We're not all from Dublin or Meath or Galway or Cork.
Therefore the available pool of attendees is at its maximum for an 'international' event.
And it still only got 28,000.
Comparing it to county v county or club attendances is a bit misleading.
The majority of GAA related traffic on twitter for example the last two weekends centred on club games all around the country.
Remember them?
28,000 on a miserable night in October was fairly good after a poor enough contest in the first test. 17,500 was the figure for the first test but that wasn't including u16's..
Quote from: Jinxy on October 28, 2013, 06:48:58 PM
We're all Irish Zulu.
We're not all from Dublin or Meath or Galway or Cork.
Therefore the available pool of attendees is at its maximum for an 'international' event.
And it still only got 28,000.
Comparing it to county v county or club attendances is a bit misleading.
The majority of GAA related traffic on twitter for example the last two weekends centred on club games all around the country.
Remember them?
Sure the Irish soccer team have got less than that. Ireland were almost sure to win, we all knew the Aussie team weren't the best they could field and the previous test series was poor yet there was still a decent crowd.
Nobody is arguing it is a perfect game and an unqualified success but we're not all trying to pick ridiculous holes in it like you are. It is what it is and at the moment it has enough going for it to continue IMO.
You've failed to address any of the points I've made to you especially re your support for one compromise sport while practically demanding the end of another (far more successful) one.
Listen, the shinty/hurling is a bit of fun but if it was gone tomorrow I wouldn't shed any tears.
Nor would most hurlers I'd imagine.
They have a bit of perspective about the whole thing.
The IR series is terrible to watch, does NOTHING to promote either code (and if you don't believe me check out any aussie rules board and see if you can find any positive comments about the GAA or gaelic football) and only draws a crowd because it is:
a) a novelty
and
b) promoted nationwide in the print media, radio and on TV
You only have to listen to the crowd to know that the majority in attendance are kids, probably brought along by their clubs for a day out.
If it does go, very few people will lament its passing.
The players will miss it, the officials will miss it, the 'product' merchants who believe intercounty football IS the GAA will miss it.
Everybody else will be quite happy to watch the club championships progress.
If the concept worked, it would be easier to defend. As it is, the balance is never right (and all the complaints from the Irish side about Australian thuggery has affected this). It is now a neutered game, which is all it can ever be given we have removed any possible advantage the Aussies may have had in this code.
Only the Aussies coming back will save it - but why would they show the interest in it? One way would be to go with the Oval ball in Oz and the O'Neills in Ireland - the touring side can go out for maybe a little longer, play more warm-up games against feeder or senior clubs, and maybe make it more like a Lions tour (given the difference in rules interpretations between Southern and Northern hemisphere rugby, I think it is an apt analogy). Maintain the strictness of the discipline and really emphasize the skill aspects. We expect the Aussies to adapt every year - why don't we?
I think for pure curiousity value, a lot would watch just to see how the Irish lads would fare. Maybe the first couple of away trips would be massacres - but I honestly think the fitness gap is very small now, and regular picks on the international team would get used to it.
QuoteListen, the shinty/hurling is a bit of fun but if it was gone tomorrow I wouldn't shed any tears.
Nor would most hurlers I'd imagine.
They have a bit of perspective about the whole thing.
Perspective on this is something you certainly lack. Everyone here defending the IR would also accept if it was gone in the morning they'd be fine. If the best hurlers always played the compromise rules, shinty was a major professional sport and crowds of 60K went to their games then you can be sure the hurlers would view it the same as the footballers view the IR.
QuoteThe IR series is terrible to watch
An opinion only. Though I agree this series has been poor but there have been great games in the past so as a game it isn't as bad as you like to make. However, your opinion or mine on the quality of the IR is irrelevant to whether it should continue.
Quotedoes NOTHING to promote either code (and if you don't believe me check out any aussie rules board and see if you can find any positive comments about the GAA or gaelic football)
I have and I've seen plenty of positive opinions, however, this is again irrelevant as I don't think IR was ever conceived to promote either sport here or Oz.
Quoteonly draws a crowd because it is:
a) a novelty
and
b) promoted nationwide in the print media, radio and on TV
You'll be sure to publish your research on this when you get the chance. Suffice to they're not the only reasons.
QuoteYou only have to listen to the crowd to know that the majority in attendance are kids, probably brought along by their clubs for a day out.
Well lets hang everyone ever involved in this, the last thing we want is kids going to Croke Park.
QuoteIf it does go, very few people will lament its passing.
The players will miss it, the officials will miss it, the 'product' merchants who believe intercounty football IS the GAA will miss it.
Everybody else will be quite happy to watch the club championships progress.
Who or what are product merchants? And it's always good to establish your bona fides by referencing the club games.
Nothing you've said justifies your constant moaning on this, the shinty is a bit of fun but the IR isn't you claim, nonsense. You seem to understand what the shinty is about but not the IR, they are both the same but the football is the bigger and more popular of the two and that makes it a bad thing????
Zulu....
IT'S A LOAD OF SHITE!
;D ;D
Atta boy Jinxy, you tell em! :D
Quote from: Jinxy on October 28, 2013, 07:57:12 PM
Zulu....
IT'S A LOAD OF SHITE!
;D ;D
Well you've me convinced....
Quote from: Jinxy on October 28, 2013, 07:30:26 PMWe're not all from Dublin or Meath or Galway or Cork.
Therefore the available pool of attendees is at its maximum for an 'international' event.
And it still only got 28,000.
Comparing it to county v county or club attendances is a bit misleading.
The majority of GAA related traffic on twitter for example the last two weekends centred on club games all around the country.
Remember them?
It got 57,000 in 2000, 71,000 in 2002, 60,000 in 2004, 82,000 in 2006 and 60,000 in 2010.
Do you think they were good size crowds?
There clearly needs to be serious discussion between the GAA and AFL about how to make the concept work, but the fact is the concept has worked in the past, and a hell of a lot of people have had very good things say about previous series. 1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2010 even. It can certainly work again.
You have to come up with something better than just saying "it's terrible to watch". Your opinion, and one not shared by a lot of people.
I can just as easily say I was watching the Wexford football final on the internet yesterday (which I was) and in my opinion it was appalling stuff. Abolish the Wexford football championship, so.
The GAA is a "product" by the way, like it or not, it needs to market itself in a competitive market, and the inter-county scene is the shop window of the games. International Rules can be an extension of that if played and promoted like it has been in the past.
Quote from: Sidney on October 28, 2013, 08:21:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 28, 2013, 07:30:26 PMWe're not all from Dublin or Meath or Galway or Cork.
Therefore the available pool of attendees is at its maximum for an 'international' event.
And it still only got 28,000.
Comparing it to county v county or club attendances is a bit misleading.
The majority of GAA related traffic on twitter for example the last two weekends centred on club games all around the country.
Remember them?
It got 57,000 in 2000, 71,000 in 2002, 60,000 in 2004, 82,000 in 2006 and 60,000 in 2010.
Do you think they were good size crowds?
There clearly needs to be serious discussion between the GAA and AFL about how to make the concept work, but the fact is the concept has worked in the past, and a hell of a lot of people have had very good things say about previous series. 1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2010 even. It can certainly work again.
You have to come up with something better than just saying "it's terrible to watch". Your opinion, and one not shared by a lot of people.
I can just as easily say I was watching the Wexford football final on the internet yesterday (which I was) and in my opinion it was appalling stuff. Abolish the Wexford football championship, so.
The GAA is a "product" by the way, like it or not, it needs to market itself in a competitive market, and the inter-county scene is the shop window of the games. International Rules can be an extension of that if played and promoted like it has been in the past.
Do you genuinely not understand the difference between the two things?
Quote from: Jinxy on October 28, 2013, 08:36:32 PM
Do you genuinely not understand the difference between the two things?
Yes. One was transmitted on live TV nationally and got a much larger crowd than the other.
Lads no-one tied you down to the tv and make you watch it, if you dont like it dont watch it! Sure there the famously boring and overhyped premiership to watch or the rugby league world cup. At this time of year i watch the NFL my self
Quote from: Sidney on October 28, 2013, 08:44:05 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 28, 2013, 08:36:32 PM
Do you genuinely not understand the difference between the two things?
Yes. One was transmitted on live TV nationally and got a much larger crowd than the other.
Another 'product' merchant so.
I doubt your local club see too much of you.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 28, 2013, 09:45:02 PM
Lads no-one tied you down to the tv and make you watch it, if you dont like it dont watch it!
+1.
QuoteAnother 'product' merchant so.
Are all of us one of these creatures?
Quote from: Sidney on October 28, 2013, 08:44:05 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 28, 2013, 08:36:32 PM
Do you genuinely not understand the difference between the two things?
Yes. One was transmitted on live TV nationally and got a much larger crowd than the other.
I see the ethos of the GAA is alive and well with this post! ::)
Tell the lads playing in and the people watching the Wexford county final that their "product" wasn't up to standard. The fact that none of them care will tell you all you need to know. The game itself meant something and that's what the GAA is about - Saturdays International Rules means little so the key thing is that it entertains - once it fails to deliver entertainment then the "product" is no longer viable. The Wexford County final may be shite for the next 50 years but the local championships will always mean something to many more players and supporters than the international rules ever will.
By the way, I actually don't mind the concept of a compromise rules series, my issue is that the current system is just not working.
Quote from: Zulu on October 28, 2013, 09:59:57 PM
QuoteAnother 'product' merchant so.
Are all of us one of these creatures?
Yes, everybody who thinks International Rules can be a success is a "product merchant". Every last one of us.
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 28, 2013, 10:00:48 PM
I see the ethos of the GAA is alive and well with this post! ::)
Tell the lads playing in and the people watching the Wexford county final that their "product" wasn't up to standard. The fact that none of them care will tell you all you need to know. The game itself meant something and that's what the GAA is about
Well, duh.
Quote from: Sidney on October 28, 2013, 10:05:58 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 28, 2013, 10:00:48 PM
I see the ethos of the GAA is alive and well with this post! ::)
Tell the lads playing in and the people watching the Wexford county final that their "product" wasn't up to standard. The fact that none of them care will tell you all you need to know. The game itself meant something and that's what the GAA is about
Well, duh.
Exactly!
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 28, 2013, 03:52:41 PM
Which players Indianna,? Brogan was carrying a knock so couldn't play. He has played before and probably would have made himself available again. Cluxton was also carrying an injury. Cooper turned it down in the past but was interested in playin this year only for club action...
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.breakingnews.ie%2Fsport%2Fgaa%2Finjuries-rule-out-cluxton-and-brogan-for-international-rules-609068.html&ei=_4ZuUs-jCuTX7Aan0IAY&usg=AFQjCNHxYhZLiZouCUsi9ZGUrJaET0-RQw&bvm=bv.55123115,d.ZGU
Michael Murphy , Jack McCaffrey, Aidan Walsh, Paul Flynn, Cavanagh, Aidan O Shea are some of the biggest names in Gaa.
Saying the big names don't make themselves available isn't accurate
Both of them have played at club recently Rodney. Stick to your knowledge of cavan club football Rodney and leave dublin to me.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 28, 2013, 10:34:50 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 28, 2013, 03:52:41 PM
Which players Indianna,? Brogan was carrying a knock so couldn't play. He has played before and probably would have made himself available again. Cluxton was also carrying an injury. Cooper turned it down in the past but was interested in playin this year only for club action...
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.breakingnews.ie%2Fsport%2Fgaa%2Finjuries-rule-out-cluxton-and-brogan-for-international-rules-609068.html&ei=_4ZuUs-jCuTX7Aan0IAY&usg=AFQjCNHxYhZLiZouCUsi9ZGUrJaET0-RQw&bvm=bv.55123115,d.ZGU
Michael Murphy , Jack McCaffrey, Aidan Walsh, Paul Flynn, Cavanagh, Aidan O Shea are some of the biggest names in Gaa.
Saying the big names don't make themselves available isn't accurate
Both of them have played at club recently Rodney. Stick to your knowledge of cavan club football Rodney and leave dublin to me.
Yeah ok, Jim Gavin, I was just going by what the article said.
I felt sorry for those who travelled and paid money out to watch it.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 28, 2013, 03:37:02 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 28, 2013, 11:11:00 AM
QuoteI'm tired of listening to people defending this charade as if to criticise it is an imprisionable offence.
Nonsense, nobody has a problem with criticism of IR the issue is some posters are coming on here and making the same points, some of which are quite daft, over and over again. If a soccer supporter was doing the same about football or hurling your call them a WUM and say we should ignore them.
While some of your points are valid others are weak and if yhe best players continue to make themselves available and crowds are still good then I see no point in abandoning it. More to the point I fail to see why you and others get your knickers in a twist over it. It's two games and is successful in many ways.
But the best players aren't making themselves available so your point is redundant on that Zulu.
I know of three other Dublin players who wwill win all-stars this year who also turned it down because they couldn't be bothered with it.
If the All-Australian team and our best Gaelic Footballers don't want to play in it- why bother?
No matter what, the team that played on Saturday is not representative of the 15 best footballers in Ireland. You had Paddy O' Rourke, Colm Begley, Ciarán Byrne, Paul Conroy, Chrissy McKaigue and Zach Tuohy starting with the like of Ciarán McKeever and Ciaran Kilkenny lucky enough to get a spot. There are lots of top county players who would be better than these fellas yet they are not involved for whatever reasons.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 29, 2013, 08:16:28 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 28, 2013, 03:37:02 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 28, 2013, 11:11:00 AM
QuoteI'm tired of listening to people defending this charade as if to criticise it is an imprisionable offence.
Nonsense, nobody has a problem with criticism of IR the issue is some posters are coming on here and making the same points, some of which are quite daft, over and over again. If a soccer supporter was doing the same about football or hurling your call them a WUM and say we should ignore them.
While some of your points are valid others are weak and if yhe best players continue to make themselves available and crowds are still good then I see no point in abandoning it. More to the point I fail to see why you and others get your knickers in a twist over it. It's two games and is successful in many ways.
But the best players aren't making themselves available so your point is redundant on that Zulu.
I know of three other Dublin players who wwill win all-stars this year who also turned it down because they couldn't be bothered with it.
If the All-Australian team and our best Gaelic Footballers don't want to play in it- why bother?
No matter what, the team that played on Saturday is not representative of the 15 best footballers in Ireland. You had Paddy O' Rourke, Colm Begley, Ciarán Byrne, Paul Conroy, Chrissy McKaigue and Zach Tuohy starting with the like of Ciarán McKeever and Ciaran Kilkenny lucky enough to get a spot. There are lots of top county players who would be better than these fellas yet they are not involved for whatever reasons.
In your opinion.., Begley has played AFL and played plenty of times in the past for Ireland. Zach Tuohy plays AFL with Carlton and was Ireland best player in the first test, what games were you watching. O Rourke is one of the top keepers in the country and has a great presence. Because he doesn't take 45's like Morgan from Tyrone he's not a top Keeper?
McKeeverr has plenty of IR experience and more then likely why he was picked, Byrne recently signed a 2 year deal with Carlton to play AFL from next season.
You were raving about Ciaran Kilkenny on the All Stars thread at one stage and now you are saying he isn't a top player, Gas
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 29, 2013, 10:21:06 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 29, 2013, 08:16:28 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 28, 2013, 03:37:02 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 28, 2013, 11:11:00 AM
QuoteI'm tired of listening to people defending this charade as if to criticise it is an imprisionable offence.
Nonsense, nobody has a problem with criticism of IR the issue is some posters are coming on here and making the same points, some of which are quite daft, over and over again. If a soccer supporter was doing the same about football or hurling your call them a WUM and say we should ignore them.
While some of your points are valid others are weak and if yhe best players continue to make themselves available and crowds are still good then I see no point in abandoning it. More to the point I fail to see why you and others get your knickers in a twist over it. It's two games and is successful in many ways.
But the best players aren't making themselves available so your point is redundant on that Zulu.
I know of three other Dublin players who wwill win all-stars this year who also turned it down because they couldn't be bothered with it.
If the All-Australian team and our best Gaelic Footballers don't want to play in it- why bother?
No matter what, the team that played on Saturday is not representative of the 15 best footballers in Ireland. You had Paddy O' Rourke, Colm Begley, Ciarán Byrne, Paul Conroy, Chrissy McKaigue and Zach Tuohy starting with the like of Ciarán McKeever and Ciaran Kilkenny lucky enough to get a spot. There are lots of top county players who would be better than these fellas yet they are not involved for whatever reasons.
In your opinion.., Begley has played AFL and played plenty of times in the past for Ireland. Zach Tuohy plays AFL with Carlton and was Ireland best player in the first test, what games were you watching. O Rourke is one of the top keepers in the country and has a great presence. Because he doesn't take 45's like Morgan from Tyrone he's not a top Keeper?
McKeeverr has plenty of IR experience and more then likely why he was picked, Byrne recently signed a 2 year deal with Carlton to play AFL from next season.
You were raving about Ciaran Kilkenny on the All Stars thread at one stage and now you are saying he isn't a top player, Gas
Never raved about Kilkenny at all. My point is that there are better players available than Tuohy, Byrne, Conroy, McKaigue, Begley and O'Rourke. None of them would be the best players available in the position they played during the international rules. Why should signing a 2 year deal with Carlton or any Aussie rules team suddenly make you an ideal candidate to play for Ireland?
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 29, 2013, 10:28:31 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 29, 2013, 10:21:06 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 29, 2013, 08:16:28 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 28, 2013, 03:37:02 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 28, 2013, 11:11:00 AM
QuoteI'm tired of listening to people defending this charade as if to criticise it is an imprisionable offence.
Nonsense, nobody has a problem with criticism of IR the issue is some posters are coming on here and making the same points, some of which are quite daft, over and over again. If a soccer supporter was doing the same about football or hurling your call them a WUM and say we should ignore them.
While some of your points are valid others are weak and if yhe best players continue to make themselves available and crowds are still good then I see no point in abandoning it. More to the point I fail to see why you and others get your knickers in a twist over it. It's two games and is successful in many ways.
But the best players aren't making themselves available so your point is redundant on that Zulu.
I know of three other Dublin players who wwill win all-stars this year who also turned it down because they couldn't be bothered with it.
If the All-Australian team and our best Gaelic Footballers don't want to play in it- why bother?
No matter what, the team that played on Saturday is not representative of the 15 best footballers in Ireland. You had Paddy O' Rourke, Colm Begley, Ciarán Byrne, Paul Conroy, Chrissy McKaigue and Zach Tuohy starting with the like of Ciarán McKeever and Ciaran Kilkenny lucky enough to get a spot. There are lots of top county players who would be better than these fellas yet they are not involved for whatever reasons.
In your opinion.., Begley has played AFL and played plenty of times in the past for Ireland. Zach Tuohy plays AFL with Carlton and was Ireland best player in the first test, what games were you watching. O Rourke is one of the top keepers in the country and has a great presence. Because he doesn't take 45's like Morgan from Tyrone he's not a top Keeper?
McKeeverr has plenty of IR experience and more then likely why he was picked, Byrne recently signed a 2 year deal with Carlton to play AFL from next season.
You were raving about Ciaran Kilkenny on the All Stars thread at one stage and now you are saying he isn't a top player, Gas
Never raved about Kilkenny at all. My point is that there are better players available than Tuohy, Byrne, Conroy, McKaigue, Begley and O'Rourke. None of them would be the best players available in the position they played during the international rules. Why should signing a 2 year deal with Carlton or any Aussie rules team suddenly make you an ideal candidate to play for Ireland?
I remember you said he should be nailed on for centre forward or something along those lines ahead of Cooper
Those players are picked because they are suited for the game and have experience playing IR. Tuohy was Irelands best player in Breffni Park. Conroy is a quality footballer, maybe not in your eyes.
Byrne gave a master class against Kildare in Newbridge in the qualifiers, maybe that's what the selectors liked
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 29, 2013, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 29, 2013, 10:28:31 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 29, 2013, 10:21:06 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 29, 2013, 08:16:28 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 28, 2013, 03:37:02 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 28, 2013, 11:11:00 AM
QuoteI'm tired of listening to people defending this charade as if to criticise it is an imprisionable offence.
Nonsense, nobody has a problem with criticism of IR the issue is some posters are coming on here and making the same points, some of which are quite daft, over and over again. If a soccer supporter was doing the same about football or hurling your call them a WUM and say we should ignore them.
While some of your points are valid others are weak and if yhe best players continue to make themselves available and crowds are still good then I see no point in abandoning it. More to the point I fail to see why you and others get your knickers in a twist over it. It's two games and is successful in many ways.
But the best players aren't making themselves available so your point is redundant on that Zulu.
I know of three other Dublin players who wwill win all-stars this year who also turned it down because they couldn't be bothered with it.
If the All-Australian team and our best Gaelic Footballers don't want to play in it- why bother?
No matter what, the team that played on Saturday is not representative of the 15 best footballers in Ireland. You had Paddy O' Rourke, Colm Begley, Ciarán Byrne, Paul Conroy, Chrissy McKaigue and Zach Tuohy starting with the like of Ciarán McKeever and Ciaran Kilkenny lucky enough to get a spot. There are lots of top county players who would be better than these fellas yet they are not involved for whatever reasons.
In your opinion.., Begley has played AFL and played plenty of times in the past for Ireland. Zach Tuohy plays AFL with Carlton and was Ireland best player in the first test, what games were you watching. O Rourke is one of the top keepers in the country and has a great presence. Because he doesn't take 45's like Morgan from Tyrone he's not a top Keeper?
McKeeverr has plenty of IR experience and more then likely why he was picked, Byrne recently signed a 2 year deal with Carlton to play AFL from next season.
You were raving about Ciaran Kilkenny on the All Stars thread at one stage and now you are saying he isn't a top player, Gas
Never raved about Kilkenny at all. My point is that there are better players available than Tuohy, Byrne, Conroy, McKaigue, Begley and O'Rourke. None of them would be the best players available in the position they played during the international rules. Why should signing a 2 year deal with Carlton or any Aussie rules team suddenly make you an ideal candidate to play for Ireland?
I remember you said he should be nailed on for centre forward or something along those lines ahead of Cooper
Those players are picked because they are suited for the game and have experience playing IR. Tuohy was Irelands best player in Breffni Park. Conroy is a quality footballer, maybe not in your eyes.
Byrne gave a master class against Kildare in Newbridge in the qualifiers, maybe that's what the selectors liked
Never said anything regarding Kilkenny getting an all star, if I did it was probably along the lines that I didn;t think he should get one. Fair enough if Byrne played a decent game in the qualifiers, in my view his selection is more to do with him going to play Aussie rules more than anything else. All the players I have mentioned are good footballers, the point I am trying to get across is that they would not be the best players in the position they played and the team fielded by Ireland wasn't the strongest team they could have put out.
As I said, they picked players who had experience of the game. Begley has always been good for Ireland as has Zac Tuohy.
Michael Murphy, Aidan O Shea, McCaffrey, Flynn, Boyle, Keegan, McGee, Johnny Doyle, Ciaran McManus, are all top players.
Because a few from lesser counties are involved doesn't mean anything. Some players had other commitments and couldn't commit, like Cooper and Darren O Sullivan...
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 29, 2013, 10:50:59 AM
As I said, they picked players who had experience of the game. Begley has always been good for Ireland as has Zac Tuohy.
Michael Murphy, Aidan O Shea, McCaffrey, Flynn, Boyle, Keegan, McGee, Johnny Doyle, Ciaran McManus, are all top players.
Because a few from lesser counties are involved doesn't mean anything. Some players had other commitments and couldn't commit, like Cooper and Darren O Sullivan...
Would Cooper have really played? I can only remember him lining out once or twice for Ireland and the last time was about 8 or 9 years ago.
Yeah he played before, but turned it down after the all the physical stuff, might have been in 06,,he was considering playing this year and spoke to Early about it according to Newspaper articles, but had to turn it down due to the Club commitements.
Quote from: easytiger95 on October 28, 2013, 07:36:57 PM
If the concept worked, it would be easier to defend. As it is, the balance is never right (and all the complaints from the Irish side about Australian thuggery has affected this). It is now a neutered game, which is all it can ever be given we have removed any possible advantage the Aussies may have had in this code.
Only the Aussies coming back will save it - but why would they show the interest in it? One way would be to go with the Oval ball in Oz and the O'Neills in Ireland - the touring side can go out for maybe a little longer, play more warm-up games against feeder or senior clubs, and maybe make it more like a Lions tour (given the difference in rules interpretations between Southern and Northern hemisphere rugby, I think it is an apt analogy). Maintain the strictness of the discipline and really emphasize the skill aspects. We expect the Aussies to adapt every year - why don't we?
I think for pure curiousity value, a lot would watch just to see how the Irish lads would fare. Maybe the first couple of away trips would be massacres - but I honestly think the fitness gap is very small now, and regular picks on the international team would get used to it.
While its true in the past that the Aussies have coped with the round ball and beaten us, I agree that now the fitness gap is very small and I think we'd beat the best of the Aussies now in the current format. But they'd beat us well with the oval ball. I'd like to see both balls used, but rather than having a competition of who'd win by the most with their own ball, I'd switch the balls during the game! Any time the Aussies get a score or kick a wide, the Irish keeper would restart the game with the round ball (and anytime the Irish kick a score or hit a wide, the Aussie keeper would restart it with the oval ball). Then they'd stick with that ball until the next score/wide. I think that'd be better to watch anyway!
Quote from: Hound on October 29, 2013, 12:31:12 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on October 28, 2013, 07:36:57 PM
If the concept worked, it would be easier to defend. As it is, the balance is never right (and all the complaints from the Irish side about Australian thuggery has affected this). It is now a neutered game, which is all it can ever be given we have removed any possible advantage the Aussies may have had in this code.
Only the Aussies coming back will save it - but why would they show the interest in it? One way would be to go with the Oval ball in Oz and the O'Neills in Ireland - the touring side can go out for maybe a little longer, play more warm-up games against feeder or senior clubs, and maybe make it more like a Lions tour (given the difference in rules interpretations between Southern and Northern hemisphere rugby, I think it is an apt analogy). Maintain the strictness of the discipline and really emphasize the skill aspects. We expect the Aussies to adapt every year - why don't we?
I think for pure curiousity value, a lot would watch just to see how the Irish lads would fare. Maybe the first couple of away trips would be massacres - but I honestly think the fitness gap is very small now, and regular picks on the international team would get used to it.
While its true in the past that the Aussies have coped with the round ball and beaten us, I agree that now the fitness gap is very small and I think we'd beat the best of the Aussies now in the current format. But they'd beat us well with the oval ball. I'd like to see both balls used, but rather than having a competition of who'd win by the most with their own ball, I'd switch the balls during the game! Any time the Aussies get a score or kick a wide, the Irish keeper would restart the game with the round ball (and anytime the Irish kick a score or hit a wide, the Aussie keeper would restart it with the oval ball). Then they'd stick with that ball until the next score/wide. I think that'd be better to watch anyway!
Definitely think that the way forward is through the introduction of the aussie ball, how that is done is another thing. Don't think the changing of the ball after a score or wide would work because it wouldn't be an equal balance, maybe just do it simply by playing the first two quarters with one ball and the other two with the alternative ball. There are two huge factors which influence these games, the shape of the ball and the tackle. Most Irish players get caught in the tackle and do not make the tackle as its second nature to approach each play as they would in Gaelic football, therefore its not in their instinct to drag a man down (cue the comedians) or to prepare to avoid a rugby tackle. Our players attempt to shadow or dispossess their australian opponent when they don't have the ball and try to side step or run around the opposition when they have the ball. However, I think that advantage which Australia have is nowhere nearly as significant as the one which Ireland have in the ball shape. It makes it look very unfair when you see an Aussie player twenty yards from goal and hitting the corner flag.
Quote from: Hound on October 29, 2013, 12:31:12 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on October 28, 2013, 07:36:57 PM
If the concept worked, it would be easier to defend. As it is, the balance is never right (and all the complaints from the Irish side about Australian thuggery has affected this). It is now a neutered game, which is all it can ever be given we have removed any possible advantage the Aussies may have had in this code.
Only the Aussies coming back will save it - but why would they show the interest in it? One way would be to go with the Oval ball in Oz and the O'Neills in Ireland - the touring side can go out for maybe a little longer, play more warm-up games against feeder or senior clubs, and maybe make it more like a Lions tour (given the difference in rules interpretations between Southern and Northern hemisphere rugby, I think it is an apt analogy). Maintain the strictness of the discipline and really emphasize the skill aspects. We expect the Aussies to adapt every year - why don't we?
I think for pure curiousity value, a lot would watch just to see how the Irish lads would fare. Maybe the first couple of away trips would be massacres - but I honestly think the fitness gap is very small now, and regular picks on the international team would get used to it.
While its true in the past that the Aussies have coped with the round ball and beaten us, I agree that now the fitness gap is very small and I think we'd beat the best of the Aussies now in the current format. But they'd beat us well with the oval ball. I'd like to see both balls used, but rather than having a competition of who'd win by the most with their own ball, I'd switch the balls during the game! Any time the Aussies get a score or kick a wide, the Irish keeper would restart the game with the round ball (and anytime the Irish kick a score or hit a wide, the Aussie keeper would restart it with the oval ball). Then they'd stick with that ball until the next score/wide. I think that'd be better to watch anyway!
;D ;D
It wouldn't be any more farcical than some of the swapping that's been done before. Jim Stynes used to seem to decide from year to year whether he'd be playing for/coaching Ireland or Australia. Now Kennelly has switched sides after years of proclaiming how much it meant to him to play for Ireland. It's just another little incremental annoyance that this farce causes. It taints Gaelic Football and GAA people by association with this kind of Robbie Keanish "it's always been my dream to play for <insert latest employer>".
And I still don't get the purpose of selecting a race-based team to represent a nation. It seems a little ideologically dodgy in this day and age. What if we were to limit selection for the Irish team to white players for the next series on a similar apparently arbitrary basis? That wouldn't be acceptable, so how is the Australian race restriction on selection acceptable?
Or a team of red lads.
Maybe we could restrict the team to Oz to Meath bucks and send Jinxy and Hardy on a one way ticket along with them. :P
Bring back the dog.
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Aussie ball is a must the only downside is you would probably then have to bin the keepers and goals - suddenly the big advantage to GAA swings back to the Aussies but worth a try
Just give it up lads.
FFS if the players like doing it, let them play it. You don't have to watch it.
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FFS if the players like doing it, let them play it. You don't have to watch it.
That's easy to say, but having to come in here and gripe about it is very time consuming.
Why not play Australian rules instead, it's not unlike compromise rules and indeed the product will capture the whole Australian market rather than just the indigenous.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 29, 2013, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on October 29, 2013, 12:31:12 PM
Quote from: easytiger95 on October 28, 2013, 07:36:57 PM
If the concept worked, it would be easier to defend. As it is, the balance is never right (and all the complaints from the Irish side about Australian thuggery has affected this). It is now a neutered game, which is all it can ever be given we have removed any possible advantage the Aussies may have had in this code.
Only the Aussies coming back will save it - but why would they show the interest in it? One way would be to go with the Oval ball in Oz and the O'Neills in Ireland - the touring side can go out for maybe a little longer, play more warm-up games against feeder or senior clubs, and maybe make it more like a Lions tour (given the difference in rules interpretations between Southern and Northern hemisphere rugby, I think it is an apt analogy). Maintain the strictness of the discipline and really emphasize the skill aspects. We expect the Aussies to adapt every year - why don't we?
I think for pure curiousity value, a lot would watch just to see how the Irish lads would fare. Maybe the first couple of away trips would be massacres - but I honestly think the fitness gap is very small now, and regular picks on the international team would get used to it.
While its true in the past that the Aussies have coped with the round ball and beaten us, I agree that now the fitness gap is very small and I think we'd beat the best of the Aussies now in the current format. But they'd beat us well with the oval ball. I'd like to see both balls used, but rather than having a competition of who'd win by the most with their own ball, I'd switch the balls during the game! Any time the Aussies get a score or kick a wide, the Irish keeper would restart the game with the round ball (and anytime the Irish kick a score or hit a wide, the Aussie keeper would restart it with the oval ball). Then they'd stick with that ball until the next score/wide. I think that'd be better to watch anyway!
;D ;D
Hahahahaha thats hilarious, reminds me of the wee games somebody in the primary school playground would make up and then they'd change the rules if someone else was better at it than them.
QuoteAny time the Aussies get a score or kick a wide, the Irish keeper would restart the game with the round ball (and anytime the Irish kick a score or hit a wide, the Aussie keeper would restart it with the oval ball). Then they'd stick with that ball until the next score/wide. I think that'd be better to watch anyway!
This proposal is a load of balls.
Well, now that the dust has settled...
Should we send a team down under for another series?
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Why don't we abandon Gaelic Football altogether and play Aussie Rules instead. From U-8 up Aussie Rules all the way. Then we could have a real international contest playing a proper international sport and please god we'd be able to follow the Aussies down the road into semi-pro and eventually professional. What are the drawbacks. Are we not fed up with parochiality. Don't we want to get out there in the big world and strive to bring glory to Ireland on a proper international stage. What other countries play Aussie Rules ?
Australia.
Quote from: Hardy on October 31, 2013, 10:53:22 AM
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Bahahahaa Hardy the thoughts of lads kicking that thing cracks me up. Like playing football with a rolly-polly.
I also liked Jinxy's pooh-poohing of the continuing interest in international rules on the basis that it's (a) a novelty and (b) promoted heavily in the media. It's like saying Guinness is only popular because it tastes good and they spend a lot on advertising.
Like I said before I have no strong opinion on the IR really and think it's become asinine if anything, but if there's a will and people are interested, what's the harm? The energy some people waste on hating it with every fibre of their being could surely be put to better use.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on November 01, 2013, 01:35:10 AM
Quote from: Hardy on October 31, 2013, 10:53:22 AM
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Bahahahaa Hardy the thoughts of lads kicking that thing cracks me up. Like playing football with a rolly-polly.
I also liked Jinxy's pooh-poohing of the continuing interest in international rules on the basis that it's (a) a novelty and (b) promoted heavily in the media. It's like saying Guinness is only popular because it tastes good and they spend a lot on advertising.
Like I said before I have no strong opinion on the IR really and think it's become asinine if anything, but if there's a will and people are interested, what's the harm? The energy some people waste on hating it with every fibre of their being could surely be put to better use.
Yeah, it's exactly like saying that.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on November 01, 2013, 01:35:10 AM
Quote from: Hardy on October 31, 2013, 10:53:22 AM
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Bahahahaa Hardy the thoughts of lads kicking that thing cracks me up. Like playing football with a rolly-polly.
I also liked Jinxy's pooh-poohing of the continuing interest in international rules on the basis that it's (a) a novelty and (b) promoted heavily in the media. It's like saying Guinness is only popular because it tastes good and they spend a lot on advertising.
Like I said before I have no strong opinion on the IR really and think it's become asinine if anything, but if there's a will and people are interested, what's the harm? The energy some people waste on hating it with every fibre of their being could surely be put to better use.
I'd say the money and energy spent promoting the IR would surely be put to better use developing our own sport either in Ireland or abroad.
Everyone here moaning their asses off is ignoring the true tradegy of the international rules - Paul Earley didn't select a single Rossie.
If you weren't so damn loveable you'd be off the Christmas card list, Paul.
Quote from: Hardy on October 31, 2013, 10:53:22 AM
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Great idea and then we could make it smaller and introduce these:
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Then 3 countries could play it and it could be in the Olympics.
I haven't watched an Aussie rules game in years.
I was just wondering do you think they come back from this IR rules series thinking about how their own game could change.
Is their game still very stop start with all the marks or do they make the catch and see they've got space and "play on" with it then?
Also, do they try to win frees in scoreable positions by trying to entice an opponent to tackle even if they don't take the ball into their control or not picking it up etc?
It has become more like Gaelic football over the past 10 years. Very quick and they play on as much as possible. I remember hearing mick malthous slating te modern game (collingwood manager at the time) in a post match press converance saying that they might as well take away the mark and call it Gaelic footy.
There was some cracking games this year in the AFL.
When you think of the changes to Gaelic Football this last few years, you'd think the Irish prefer Aussie Rules to their own game. It's ridiculous the changes the GAA have made/tried:
- 4 quarters trialled in the NFL in the 1990s
- the Mark trailed, and only narrowly defeated in Congress I believe. I'm sure it'll be trialled again.
- free kick from the hands (which I can't stand! It is one of the ugliest part of Gaelic Football).
There's also been talk of getting rid of the pick-up.
The Aussies wouldn't change their game to look more like Gaelic, and rightly so. It's a good game as it is. So is Gaelic Football, so leave it the feck alone!
Quote from: BennyCake on November 01, 2013, 09:12:38 PM
When you think of the changes to Gaelic Football this last few years, you'd think the Irish prefer Aussie Rules to their own game. It's ridiculous the changes the GAA have made/tried:
- 4 quarters trialled in the NFL in the 1990s
- the Mark trailed, and only narrowly defeated in Congress I believe. I'm sure it'll be trialled again.
- free kick from the hands (which I can't stand! It is one of the ugliest part of Gaelic Football).
There's also been talk of getting rid of the pick-up.
The Aussies wouldn't change their game to look more like Gaelic, and rightly so. It's a good game as it is. So is Gaelic Football, so leave it the feck alone!
So you'd rather see men toe poke the ball as far as they can instead? Wise up you muppet
Quote from: our_fella on November 02, 2013, 01:08:51 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 01, 2013, 09:12:38 PM
When you think of the changes to Gaelic Football this last few years, you'd think the Irish prefer Aussie Rules to their own game. It's ridiculous the changes the GAA have made/tried:
- 4 quarters trialled in the NFL in the 1990s
- the Mark trailed, and only narrowly defeated in Congress I believe. I'm sure it'll be trialled again.
- free kick from the hands (which I can't stand! It is one of the ugliest part of Gaelic Football).
There's also been talk of getting rid of the pick-up.
The Aussies wouldn't change their game to look more like Gaelic, and rightly so. It's a good game as it is. So is Gaelic Football, so leave it the feck alone!
So you'd rather see men toe poke the ball as far as they can instead? Wise up you muppet
Why would they need, or want, to do that?
It's actually the scoring from the hands that I have more of a problem with though. An ugly image. A player like Cooper or Brogan tapping the ball over the bar from their hands, 14 yards out straight in front of the posts, like they were playing for the under-8 team. Its terrible to watch. It takes away one of the great skills in the game.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 02, 2013, 01:50:37 AM
Quote from: our_fella on November 02, 2013, 01:08:51 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 01, 2013, 09:12:38 PM
When you think of the changes to Gaelic Football this last few years, you'd think the Irish prefer Aussie Rules to their own game. It's ridiculous the changes the GAA have made/tried:
- 4 quarters trialled in the NFL in the 1990s
- the Mark trailed, and only narrowly defeated in Congress I believe. I'm sure it'll be trialled again.
- free kick from the hands (which I can't stand! It is one of the ugliest part of Gaelic Football).
There's also been talk of getting rid of the pick-up.
The Aussies wouldn't change their game to look more like Gaelic, and rightly so. It's a good game as it is. So is Gaelic Football, so leave it the feck alone!
So you'd rather see men toe poke the ball as far as they can instead? Wise up you muppet
Why would they need, or want, to do that?
It's actually the scoring from the hands that I have more of a problem with though. An ugly image. A player like Cooper or Brogan tapping the ball over the bar from their hands, 14 yards out straight in front of the posts, like they were playing for the under-8 team. Its terrible to watch. It takes away one of the great skills in the game.
You talk some verbal diarrhea my friend. How many men could kick it accurately? Very few.. Any free beyond the 45 was just a kick and hope, yes, what a beautiful image that was.... ::)
I think you are wrong. The free from the ground within 40 yards was a great spectacle and encouraged the development of accurate place kickers. Elsewhere you have a valid enough point.
Quote from: our_fella on November 02, 2013, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 02, 2013, 01:50:37 AM
Quote from: our_fella on November 02, 2013, 01:08:51 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 01, 2013, 09:12:38 PM
When you think of the changes to Gaelic Football this last few years, you'd think the Irish prefer Aussie Rules to their own game. It's ridiculous the changes the GAA have made/tried:
- 4 quarters trialled in the NFL in the 1990s
- the Mark trailed, and only narrowly defeated in Congress I believe. I'm sure it'll be trialled again.
- free kick from the hands (which I can't stand! It is one of the ugliest part of Gaelic Football).
There's also been talk of getting rid of the pick-up.
The Aussies wouldn't change their game to look more like Gaelic, and rightly so. It's a good game as it is. So is Gaelic Football, so leave it the feck alone!
So you'd rather see men toe poke the ball as far as they can instead? Wise up you muppet
Why would they need, or want, to do that?
It's actually the scoring from the hands that I have more of a problem with though. An ugly image. A player like Cooper or Brogan tapping the ball over the bar from their hands, 14 yards out straight in front of the posts, like they were playing for the under-8 team. Its terrible to watch. It takes away one of the great skills in the game.
You talk some verbal diarrhea my friend. How many men could kick it accurately? Very few.. Any free beyond the 45 was just a kick and hope, yes, what a beautiful image that was.... ::)
So, do you think the 10 yard free kicks going from side to side or backwards is a better image, in todays game?
Aren't 10 yard free kicks illegal? What a pity Refs don't penalise.
The free from the hand "out the field" was brought in to speed up the game .
Attempts for scores from frees are more likely to succeed when kicked from the ground - ball is static, hands are irrelevant and only the foot has to be got right.
From the hands - foot , hands, ball all moving and all 3 have to be got right.
Hurling-Shinty on TG4 at 5:05. The no-hands hurling skills are great to watch.
The scots would seem to be at a disadvantage, their stick so much less broad than a hurl, all the skill seems to be on show from the Irish