Yeeeooooooooo
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Quote from: ONeill on September 28, 2013, 09:07:39 PM
Yeeeooooooooo
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He was in Garvaghey today. A statue of that block wouldn't have looked out of place either
Quote from: hardstation on September 28, 2013, 09:30:02 PM
Those Armagh jerseys were awful strange.
Neither long sleeve or short sleeve lol
QuoteNeither long sleeve or short sleeve lol
A jersey for all seasons. In 2003, it was cooler than the AIs this year.
A hollow victory as Armagh were denied the customary strong finish by having a player red carded on account of Tyrone cheating. >:(
Yes, it felt hollow.
Hard to believe it was 10 years ago. It's been 10 years of massive highs and extreme lows since then. Mickey has done some job keeping the team competitive during that time, given all the off field issues that they have faced. I wonder will the county ever see a generation of players like it again?
Quote from: T Fearon on September 28, 2013, 11:01:37 PM
A hollow victory as Armagh were denied the customary strong finish by having a player red carded on account of Tyrone cheating. >:(
Lol !!!
And how do you explain the 05 semi defeat?
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 28, 2013, 11:09:30 PM
Hard to believe it was 10 years ago. It's been 10 years of massive highs and extreme lows since then. Mickey has done some job keeping the team competitive during that time, given all the off field issues that they have faced. I wonder will the county ever see a generation of players like it again?
My fav non Dub manager, of all time. Class manager amnd a great team. Never bought the sterotipe Tyrone defensive stuff. Yes it wasnt open football, but it was a master tactical ,man who thought this up and let the players beleieve the system.
All aside of the personal off field stuff they webt through. Top, top team and management. Mucho respect
Quote from: Gaffer on September 28, 2013, 11:14:24 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 28, 2013, 11:01:37 PM
A hollow victory as Armagh were denied the customary strong finish by having a player red carded on account of Tyrone cheating. >:(
Lol !!!
And how do you explain the 05 semi defeat?
Got it all wrong there gaffer sure didn't Armagh win the ulster championship 8)
Quote from: T Fearon on September 28, 2013, 11:01:37 PM
A hollow victory as Armagh were denied the customary strong finish by having a player red carded on account of Tyrone cheating. >:(
Wise up, tyrone cheating? who are you talking about - cavanagh, dooher, jordan? at least give us a clue
Memories, memories what a glorious team and manager. They set the standards for a county and their legacy has set a mindset in the of belief. Young lads in the county now believe and aspire to emulating these players. Tyrone history will show that over the years we could always produce exceptional individuals such a Jones in the 50's mcgugan 70's, mckenna, mc cabe et al of the 80's and the mercurial canavan of the 90's. In 03 it finally came together we suddenly had a special team of u21's and still had canavan, Dooher and Cavlan at the height of their powers and we had one of the greatest managers to grace the game. Hard to believe it is only ten years but to put it in perspective Tyrone teams won 3 senior and 3 minor titles in ten years and judging on the depth of youth talent available in the county the 03 legacy will continue for years to come. TIREOGHAIN ABU..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im2MDmOzj5M
Sadly,Tyrone have not left a positive legacy.They will forever be associated with puke football,and to this day are lambasted for negativity,cynical fouling etc.What good are ten All Ireland's in a row even,when you don't get the acclaim of the nation? I feel sorry for the genuinely talented players whose reputation has been tainted due to a horrible system of play,that while effective in terms of results,has not been pleasing on the eye,and has left the legislators scratching their head,and coming up with black cards etc,to purify our national games. >:(
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2013, 05:16:16 AM
Sadly,Tyrone have not left a positive legacy.They will forever be associated with puke football,and to this day are lambasted for negativity,cynical fouling etc.What good are ten All Ireland's in a row even,when you don't get the acclaim of the nation? I feel sorry for the genuinely talented players whose reputation has been tainted due to a horrible system of play,that while effective in terms of results,has not been pleasing on the eye,and has left the legislators scratching their head,and coming up with black cards etc,to purify our national games. >:(
I woke up from my sleep to say....yer correct Tony
Quote from: theticklemister on September 29, 2013, 05:37:35 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2013, 05:16:16 AM
Sadly,Tyrone have not left a positive legacy.They will forever be associated with puke football,and to this day are lambasted for negativity,cynical fouling etc.What good are ten All Ireland's in a row even,when you don't get the acclaim of the nation? I feel sorry for the genuinely talented players whose reputation has been tainted due to a horrible system of play,that while effective in terms of results,has not been pleasing on the eye,and has left the legislators scratching their head,and coming up with black cards etc,to purify our national games. >:(
I woke up from my sleep to say....yer correct Tony
Or, you could have a mind of your own and see past the Pat Spilliane puke analysis and look at the great football played in National league finals v Laois, Ulster finals v Down and Armagh! AI quarters v Dublin, AI semis v Armagh and Wexford and most importantly finals v Kerry. They took on the best teams, of probably one of the best eras for Gaelic football, and beat them all in some of the best games of football of modern times. I'd say anyone with an ounce of a football brain could see that for themselves and not need to be told what to think by a bitter southern media.
Or you could stick to the facts?
2003 AI Semi Final.Ugliest game of all time.Fact.
2003 AI Final.Injury feigned to get an opposing player sent off at a crucial stage of the game.Fact.
2005.Ulster Final replay,two players sent off.Fact
2005 AI Final.Greatest player of the modern era almost loses an eye due to gouging.Fact
2013 AI quarter final,Monaghan player hauled down enroute to goal,prompting the correct forthright analysis of Tyrone's decade of cynicism and spoiling tactics,permeated right down through all levels of the sport,delivered not be a southern born pundit,but from one born in Derry.
Still only managed to beat Mayo once...in an era when everryone and anyone could :P
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2013, 08:09:54 AM
Or you could stick to the facts?
2003 AI Semi Final.Ugliest game of all time.Fact.
2003 AI Final.Injury feigned to get an opposing player sent off at a crucial stage of the game.Fact.
2005.Ulster Final replay,two players sent off.Fact
2005 AI Final.Greatest player of the modern era almost loses an eye due to gouging.Fact
2013 AI quarter final,Monaghan player hauled down enroute to goal,prompting the correct forthright analysis of Tyrone's decade of cynicism and spoiling tactics,permeated right down through all levels of the sport,delivered not be a southern born pundit,but from one born in Derry.
Both players had their cards rescinded after the 2005 final - fact. Which means that the decision to send them off and in effect award the game to Armagh was 100% wrong! Armagh by then had realised that they'd never beat that Tyrone team playing football - their bully boy tactics when Peter came on was shameful and unfortunately was a trademark of that great team.
Go watch the first half of the 2003 semi again,Tony. As near football perfection as you will get - this comment is as much fact as your statement that it was the ugliest game of all time. (Did you see last Sundays match by the way - now that was ugly?) The second half of the 2003 semi was about a team overcoming years of defeats to get a job done - it hardly defines 10 years of football.
Marsden struck Jordan - fact.
It brings back memories of T Fearon being interviewed outside Croke Park before the game and telling Mark Sidebottom that "Sam will never be in the Moy!" ;D ;D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 29, 2013, 08:18:15 AM
Still only managed to beat Mayo once...in an era when everryone and anyone could :P
In that 10 year period Mayo got to 4 All Ireland finals - I'd hardly say everyone and anyone could beat them in that era.
It also marks a decade since my hotel booking policy was fundamentally altered with a new clause providing for double checking of required dates and third party affirmation of same! ;D
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 29, 2013, 08:28:49 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2013, 08:09:54 AM
Or you could stick to the facts?
2003 AI Semi Final.Ugliest game of all time.Fact.
2003 AI Final.Injury feigned to get an opposing player sent off at a crucial stage of the game.Fact.
2005.Ulster Final replay,two players sent off.Fact
2005 AI Final.Greatest player of the modern era almost loses an eye due to gouging.Fact
2013 AI quarter final,Monaghan player hauled down enroute to goal,prompting the correct forthright analysis of Tyrone's decade of cynicism and spoiling tactics,permeated right down through all levels of the sport,delivered not be a southern born pundit,but from one born in Derry.
Both players had their cards rescinded after the 2005 final - fact. Which means that the decision to send them off and in effect award the game to Armagh was 100% wrong! Armagh by then had realised that they'd never beat that Tyrone team playing football - their bully boy tactics when Peter came on was shameful and unfortunately was a trademark of that great team.
Go watch the first half of the 2003 semi again,Tony. As near football perfection as you will get - this comment is as much fact as your statement that it was the ugliest game of all time. (Did you see last Sundays match by the way?) The second half was about a team overcoming years of defeats to get a job done - it hardly defines 10 years of football.
Marsden struck Jordan - fact.
Marsden was irrelevant. Spent more time off the field than Canavan that game, carrying an injury.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 29, 2013, 08:28:49 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2013, 08:09:54 AM
Or you could stick to the facts?
2003 AI Semi Final.Ugliest game of all time.Fact.
2003 AI Final.Injury feigned to get an opposing player sent off at a crucial stage of the game.Fact.
2005.Ulster Final replay,two players sent off.Fact
2005 AI Final.Greatest player of the modern era almost loses an eye due to gouging.Fact
2013 AI quarter final,Monaghan player hauled down enroute to goal,prompting the correct forthright analysis of Tyrone's decade of cynicism and spoiling tactics,permeated right down through all levels of the sport,delivered not be a southern born pundit,but from one born in Derry.
Both players had their cards rescinded after the 2005 final - fact. Which means that the decision to send them off and in effect award the game to Armagh was 100% wrong! Armagh by then had realised that they'd never beat that Tyrone team playing football - their bully boy tactics when Peter came on was shameful and unfortunately was a trademark of that great team.
Go watch the first half of the 2003 semi again,Tony. As near football perfection as you will get - this comment is as much fact as your statement that it was the ugliest game of all time. (Did you see last Sundays match by the way - now that was ugly?) The second half of the 2003 semi was about a team overcoming years of defeats to get a job done - it hardly defines 10 years of football.
Marsden struck Jordan - fact.
Not wanting to get into at old them and us argument that has no current relevance is the fact that Marsden had his red card overturned not make the decision to send him off to be 100% wrong or does this argument only apply to Tyrone players?
Lol T
The most comical episode of all was Canavan injuring himself diving against Kerry in 2003. Mike McCarthy didnt even know he was there and still got booked!
It was a terrible game though, never got going at any stage until Armagh decided to wake up and start playing just before the marsden farce
Said it before and I'll say it again, their performance against us in the rain in 2008 was a pure master class. When I'm thinking of the style of football they played, using a soccer analogy, the best Tyrone sides were like a great German team - outstanding individuals in key areas, but always subservient to the team ethic and the primary characteristic being efficiency - they could play it any way you wanted it. I think Kerry may have touched heights of better football in certain passages of play in the last decade (Kerry 2007 vintage was fairly sublime) but you could never bet against that Tyrone side versus any team. And the key was they reserved their best performances for the biggest games. Respect to all involved in that team.
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I was in Croke Park to witness Donegal, Derry and Armagh win their 1st All Ireland, and the homecomings as well, and I just dreamed of what it would mean for us to win it one day. Well on that magical day in '03 I got to have that feeling, and boy what a feeling it was.
That year we did the treble in winning the Natiional League, Ulster and then the Sam. From the moment Mickey was appointed manager, I knew deep in my heart that he would lead us to the promised land. To do it in his 1st year, like Joe the year before, was just amazing. That day and the celebrations after will live forever with me.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2013, 08:09:54 AM
Or you could stick to the facts?
2003 AI Semi Final.Ugliest game of all time.Fact.
2003 AI Final.Injury feigned to get an opposing player sent off at a crucial stage of the game.Fact.
2005.Ulster Final replay,two players sent off.Fact
2005 AI Final.Greatest player of the modern era almost loses an eye due to gouging.Fact
2013 AI quarter final,Monaghan player hauled down enroute to goal,prompting the correct forthright analysis of Tyrone's decade of cynicism and spoiling tactics,permeated right down through all levels of the sport,delivered not be a southern born pundit,but from one born in Derry.
Id like to add...
McMenamin's knees almost decapitate McEntee.
Canavans dive to win penalty v Down 03
Cavanagh taking out McGeeney 05
McGuigan gets Gregory McCartan sent off 03
Also the persistent goading, thumping, slabbering and underhand tactics to opponents by the likes of McMenamin, Gormley, Jordan down the years. And persistent diving by Canavan, Cavanagh, Mulligan etc to win handy frees.
Ive said it before, even though Harte brought Tyrone success, his tactics have really dragged down the game this last decade.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 01:45:17 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2013, 08:09:54 AM
Or you could stick to the facts?
2003 AI Semi Final.Ugliest game of all time.Fact.
2003 AI Final.Injury feigned to get an opposing player sent off at a crucial stage of the game.Fact.
2005.Ulster Final replay,two players sent off.Fact
2005 AI Final.Greatest player of the modern era almost loses an eye due to gouging.Fact
2013 AI quarter final,Monaghan player hauled down enroute to goal,prompting the correct forthright analysis of Tyrone's decade of cynicism and spoiling tactics,permeated right down through all levels of the sport,delivered not be a southern born pundit,but from one born in Derry.
Id like to add...
McMenamin's knees almost decapitate McEntee.
Canavans dive to win penalty v Down 03
Cavanagh taking out McGeeney 05
McGuigan gets Gregory McCartan sent off 03
Also the persistent goading, thumping, slabbering and underhand tactics to opponents by the likes of McMenamin, Gormley, Jordan down the years. And persistent diving by Canavan, Cavanagh, Mulligan etc to win handy frees.
Ive said it before, even though Harte brought Tyrone success, his tactics have really dragged down the game this last decade.
I will weigh in with the 'spectacle' that was the Derry v Tyrone replay in Casement in '03 featuring Peter 'Greg Louganis ' Canavan and Brian 'Tom Daley' Dooher. A defender went within a hair's breath and these boys went to ground. Cheating reaped dividends & prospered from that day forth :(
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 29, 2013, 08:34:11 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 29, 2013, 08:18:15 AM
Still only managed to beat Mayo once...in an era when everryone and anyone could :P
In that 10 year period Mayo got to 4 All Ireland finals - I'd hardly say everyone and anyone could beat them in that era.
I mean the Johnno mark 2 era!
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 01:45:17 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2013, 08:09:54 AM
Or you could stick to the facts?
2003 AI Semi Final.Ugliest game of all time.Fact.
2003 AI Final.Injury feigned to get an opposing player sent off at a crucial stage of the game.Fact.
2005.Ulster Final replay,two players sent off.Fact
2005 AI Final.Greatest player of the modern era almost loses an eye due to gouging.Fact
2013 AI quarter final,Monaghan player hauled down enroute to goal,prompting the correct forthright analysis of Tyrone's decade of cynicism and spoiling tactics,permeated right down through all levels of the sport,delivered not be a southern born pundit,but from one born in Derry.
Id like to add...
McMenamin's knees almost decapitate McEntee.
Canavans dive to win penalty v Down 03
Cavanagh taking out McGeeney 05
McGuigan gets Gregory McCartan sent off 03
Also the persistent goading, thumping, slabbering and underhand tactics to opponents by the likes of McMenamin, Gormley, Jordan down the years. And persistent diving by Canavan, Cavanagh, Mulligan etc to win handy frees.
Ive said it before, even though Harte brought Tyrone success, his tactics have really dragged down the game this last decade.
Wow, you really are bitter about Tyrone's success or is it more to do with Armagh's failures after 2002. I'm sure you thought at the end of 2002 that Armagh would go on and dominate but up steps Mickey Harte and Tyrone who go on and become one of the greatest teams ever while Armagh slump back into the wilderness where they belong. Tyrone will win another 5 Sam's before Armagh even get close. I suppose I can see why you are so bitter then.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 29, 2013, 08:28:49 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2013, 08:09:54 AM
Or you could stick to the facts?
2003 AI Semi Final.Ugliest game of all time.Fact.
2003 AI Final.Injury feigned to get an opposing player sent off at a crucial stage of the game.Fact.
2005.Ulster Final replay,two players sent off.Fact
2005 AI Final.Greatest player of the modern era almost loses an eye due to gouging.Fact
2013 AI quarter final,Monaghan player hauled down enroute to goal,prompting the correct forthright analysis of Tyrone's decade of cynicism and spoiling tactics,permeated right down through all levels of the sport,delivered not be a southern born pundit,but from one born in Derry.
Both players had their cards rescinded after the 2005 final - fact. Which means that the decision to send them off and in effect award the game to Armagh was 100% wrong! Armagh by then had realised that they'd never beat that Tyrone team playing football - their bully boy tactics when Peter came on was shameful and unfortunately was a trademark of that great team.
Go watch the first half of the 2003 semi again,Tony. As near football perfection as you will get - this comment is as much fact as your statement that it was the ugliest game of all time. (Did you see last Sundays match by the way - now that was ugly?) The second half of the 2003 semi was about a team overcoming years of defeats to get a job done - it hardly defines 10 years of football.
Marsden struck Jordan - fact.
Yeah Marsden was known for that sort of thing. Stick to the facts Jordan took a run at Marsden and Marsden fell for it. And a certain tr**p clapped at the decision of the ref. Those are the facts. Why else was the red card over turned.
Quote from: Rodman on September 29, 2013, 02:26:37 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 01:45:17 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2013, 08:09:54 AM
Or you could stick to the facts?
2003 AI Semi Final.Ugliest game of all time.Fact.
2003 AI Final.Injury feigned to get an opposing player sent off at a crucial stage of the game.Fact.
2005.Ulster Final replay,two players sent off.Fact
2005 AI Final.Greatest player of the modern era almost loses an eye due to gouging.Fact
2013 AI quarter final,Monaghan player hauled down enroute to goal,prompting the correct forthright analysis of Tyrone's decade of cynicism and spoiling tactics,permeated right down through all levels of the sport,delivered not be a southern born pundit,but from one born in Derry.
Id like to add...
McMenamin's knees almost decapitate McEntee.
Canavans dive to win penalty v Down 03
Cavanagh taking out McGeeney 05
McGuigan gets Gregory McCartan sent off 03
Also the persistent goading, thumping, slabbering and underhand tactics to opponents by the likes of McMenamin, Gormley, Jordan down the years. And persistent diving by Canavan, Cavanagh, Mulligan etc to win handy frees.
Ive said it before, even though Harte brought Tyrone success, his tactics have really dragged down the game this last decade.
Wow, you really are bitter about Tyrone's success or is it more to do with Armagh's failures after 2002. I'm sure you thought at the end of 2002 that Armagh would go on and dominate but up steps Mickey Harte and Tyrone who go on and become one of the greatest teams ever while Armagh slump back into the wilderness where they belong. Tyrone will win another 5 Sam's before Armagh even get close. I suppose I can see why you are so bitter then.
They are facts. It's nothing to do with bitterness. Speaking of bitter, I sense it in your own post. Maybe it's because we got our hands on Sam before Tyrone did?
Tyrone one of the greatest sides? Well that's only your opinion.
Tyrone will win 5 Sams before we even get close. Great statement. How old are you, twelve?!
The thing that annoyed me about McMenamin's act on john was that it was so cowardly and typical of the man and their group - theyd the balls to appeal ffs. McEntee was defensless on the ground. If both men were on their feet McMenamin would have run the other way.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 29, 2013, 08:28:49 AM
Marsden struck Jordan - fact.
Fact. End of. Etc. etc.
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Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 02:48:28 PM
Quote from: Rodman on September 29, 2013, 02:26:37 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 01:45:17 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2013, 08:09:54 AM
Or you could stick to the facts?
2003 AI Semi Final.Ugliest game of all time.Fact.
2003 AI Final.Injury feigned to get an opposing player sent off at a crucial stage of the game.Fact.
2005.Ulster Final replay,two players sent off.Fact
2005 AI Final.Greatest player of the modern era almost loses an eye due to gouging.Fact
2013 AI quarter final,Monaghan player hauled down enroute to goal,prompting the correct forthright analysis of Tyrone's decade of cynicism and spoiling tactics,permeated right down through all levels of the sport,delivered not be a southern born pundit,but from one born in Derry.
Id like to add...
McMenamin's knees almost decapitate McEntee.
Canavans dive to win penalty v Down 03
Cavanagh taking out McGeeney 05
McGuigan gets Gregory McCartan sent off 03
Also the persistent goading, thumping, slabbering and underhand tactics to opponents by the likes of McMenamin, Gormley, Jordan down the years. And persistent diving by Canavan, Cavanagh, Mulligan etc to win handy frees.
Ive said it before, even though Harte brought Tyrone success, his tactics have really dragged down the game this last decade.
Wow, you really are bitter about Tyrone's success or is it more to do with Armagh's failures after 2002. I'm sure you thought at the end of 2002 that Armagh would go on and dominate but up steps Mickey Harte and Tyrone who go on and become one of the greatest teams ever while Armagh slump back into the wilderness where they belong. Tyrone will win another 5 Sam's before Armagh even get close. I suppose I can see why you are so bitter then.
They are facts. It's nothing to do with bitterness. Speaking of bitter, I sense it in your own post. Maybe it's because we got our hands on Sam before Tyrone did?
Tyrone one of the greatest sides? Well that's only your opinion.
Tyrone will win 5 Sams before we even get close. Great statement. How old are you, twelve?!
I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to put a list together of some Armagh "facts" that would be on par with Tyrone's. Armagh were certainly no angels. Armagh are now about as relevant as the Longfords, Westmeath's and Limerick's of the GAA world while Tyrone will continue to dine at the top table. I guess that what annoys you most but you are going to have to accept it as that my friend is definitely a " fact" .
Tyrone are still at the top table, serving the food.
Quote from: Rodman on September 29, 2013, 03:02:37 PM
I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to put a list together of some Armagh "facts" that would be on par with Tyrone's. Armagh were certainly no angels. Armagh are now about as relevant as the Longfords, Westmeath's and Limerick's of the GAA world while Tyrone will continue to dine at the top table. I guess that what annoys you most but you are going to have to accept it as that my friend is definitely a " fact" .
If you think it's easy, go ahead. Make a list.
Why would I be annoyed about Tyrone? A team that has done very little since 2008. The same as ourselves. I think you're deluding yourself about that top table.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2013, 08:09:54 AM
Or you could stick to the facts?
2003 AI Semi Final.Ugliest game of all time.Fact.
2003 AI Final.Injury feigned to get an opposing player sent off at a crucial stage of the game.Fact. Ditto Ulster final
2005.Ulster Final replay,two players sent off.Fact
2005 AI Final.Greatest player of the modern era almost loses an eye due to gouging.Fact
2013 AI quarter final,Monaghan player hauled down enroute to goal,prompting the correct forthright analysis of Tyrone's decade of cynicism and spoiling tactics,permeated right down through all levels of the sport,delivered not be a southern born pundit,but from one born in Derry.
Some bitter boys about!!!
LOL LOL LOL
Here's a fact
(http://i.imgur.com/D0mjYBL.jpg)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 29, 2013, 04:44:17 PM
Here's a fact
(http://i.imgur.com/D0mjYBL.jpg)
I love watching him getting that wedgey then fixing his wee gurdle :D :D
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 29, 2013, 12:03:39 PM
Lol T
The most comical episode of all was Canavan injuring himself diving against Kerry in 2003. Mike McCarthy didnt even know he was there and still got booked!
No the most comical thing was the fact he could hardly walk in the final and it took Armoan so long to catch on. We are going to have some laugh in this thread.
Quote from: lawnseed on September 29, 2013, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 29, 2013, 04:44:17 PM
Here's a fact
(http://i.imgur.com/D0mjYBL.jpg)
I love watching him getting that wedgey then fixing his wee gurdle :D :D
ye never could handle him. What Mc Keever done that day was cheap yella and low.
Marsden should have won more all irelands surely but in his early days he'd have jumped out of yer road.
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 29, 2013, 05:57:34 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 29, 2013, 12:03:39 PM
Lol T
The most comical episode of all was Canavan injuring himself diving against Kerry in 2003. Mike McCarthy didnt even know he was there and still got booked!
No the most comical thing was the fact he could hardly walk in the final and it took Armoan so long to catch on. We are going to have some laugh in this thread.
And he ended up top scorer on one leg. Armagh went on into irrelevance, a one hit wonder with a lorry load of regrets, what if's and if only's.
What good came of Armaghs 02 success ? Armagh quickly sank back in the mid to lower rankings in the Country while Tyrone have continued to remain among the elite footballing powers.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 29, 2013, 06:26:10 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 29, 2013, 05:57:34 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 29, 2013, 12:03:39 PM
Lol T
The most comical episode of all was Canavan injuring himself diving against Kerry in 2003. Mike McCarthy didnt even know he was there and still got booked!
No the most comical thing was the fact he could hardly walk in the final and it took Armoan so long to catch on. We are going to have some laugh in this thread.
And he ended up top scorer on one leg. Armagh went on into irrelevance, a one hit wonder with a lorry load of regrets, what if's and if only's.
What good came of Armaghs 02 success ? Armagh quickly sank back in the mid to lower rankings in the Country while Tyrone have continued to remain among the elite footballing powers.
4 Ulsters, an AI final appearance, a semi, and a NFL. How is that sinking quickly back into irrelevance?
Elite footballing powers? You Tyrone folk really are deluded.
5 Years Ago Today - The Bank Guarantee. Though in that case we didn't know the calamity it would turn out to be.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 06:37:59 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 29, 2013, 06:26:10 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on September 29, 2013, 05:57:34 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 29, 2013, 12:03:39 PM
Lol T
The most comical episode of all was Canavan injuring himself diving against Kerry in 2003. Mike McCarthy didnt even know he was there and still got booked!
No the most comical thing was the fact he could hardly walk in the final and it took Armoan so long to catch on. We are going to have some laugh in this thread.
And he ended up top scorer on one leg. Armagh went on into irrelevance, a one hit wonder with a lorry load of regrets, what if's and if only's.
What good came of Armaghs 02 success ? Armagh quickly sank back in the mid to lower rankings in the Country while Tyrone have continued to remain among the elite footballing powers.
4 Ulsters, an AI final appearance, a semi, and a NFL. How is that sinking quickly back into irrelevance?
Elite footballing powers? You Tyrone folk really are deluded.
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Since 03 Tyrone have won
3 All Ireland seniors
3 All Ireland minors
1 NFL
4 Senior ulsters
2 u21's ulsters
6 minor ulsters
Not to mention numerous all irelands at school level.
And you think we are deluded in believing Tyrone are among the Elite footballing counties.
Which other county over the last ten years have a record as comparable from school level to seniors ?
All you guys sound the same, I can't tell the difference.
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You can't be in the footballing elite if you're not playing football.
In 2003 Tyrone put Armagh football into the coffin. 2005 they then hammered in the final nail and by 2008 the grave was filled in. Since then their hurlers have managed more headlines. Armagh football RIP
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 29, 2013, 06:57:09 PM
Since 03 Tyrone have won
3 All Ireland seniors
3 All Ireland minors - 1 minor title
1 NFL - 1 NFL (and a Div 2 title)
4 Senior ulsters - 4 Ulsters
2 u21's ulsters - 2 U-21 Ulsters, plus 1 AI U-21
6 minor ulsters - 2 minor Ulsters
Not to mention numerous all irelands at school level.
And you think we are deluded in believing Tyrone are among the Elite footballing counties.
Which other county over the last ten years have a record as comparable from school level to seniors ?
The issue here was about the seniors. But since you ask, I think you'll find Armagh have done just as good, as you can see above. And better, in some grades.
I know for a fact that Dungannon/Cookstown schools include some Armagh/Derry players.
If you call yourselves elite, Armagh aren't too far behind. And a county half the size.
Quote5 Years Ago Today - The Bank Guarantee. Though in that case we didn't know the calamity it would turn out to be.
The picture above shows more than one person who was willing to lower standards for success.
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Or you could stick to the facts?
2003 AI Semi Final.Ugliest game of all time.Fact.
2003 AI Final.Injury feigned to get an opposing player sent off at a crucial stage of the game.Fact.
2005.Ulster Final replay,two players sent off.Fact
2005 AI Final.Greatest player of the modern era almost loses an eye due to gouging.Fact
2013 AI quarter final,Monaghan player hauled down enroute to goal,prompting the correct forthright analysis of Tyrone's decade of cynicism and spoiling tactics,permeated right down through all levels of the sport,delivered not be a southern born pundit,but from one born in Derry.
Both players had their cards rescinded after the 2005 final - fact. Which means that the decision to send them off and in effect award the game to Armagh was 100% wrong! Armagh by then had realised that they'd never beat that Tyrone team playing football - their bully boy tactics when Peter came on was shameful and unfortunately was a trademark of that great team.
Go watch the first half of the 2003 semi again,Tony. As near football perfection as you will get - this comment is as much fact as your statement that it was the ugliest game of all time. (Did you see last Sundays match by the way - now that was ugly?) The second half of the 2003 semi was about a team overcoming years of defeats to get a job done - it hardly defines 10 years of football.
Marsden struck Jordan - fact.
Yeah Marsden was known for that sort of thing. Stick to the facts Jordan took a run at Marsden and Marsden fell for it. And a certain tr**p clapped at the decision of the ref. Those are the facts. Why else was the red card over turned.
Jordan may have ran at him but Marsden struck him. By the way, there was plenty of, as you call them "tramps", on the Armagh team clapping when Canavan and O'Neill got wrongly sent off in 2005.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on September 29, 2013, 08:28:49 AM
Marsden struck Jordan - fact.
Fact. End of. Etc. etc.
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I was referring to the "fact" comments by another poster - keep up!
What really surprises me, is that some irredeemably embittered individuals could actually believe that we could give a fcuk what they think! :P
I know it shouldn't, but that enduring bitterness is actually cause for some gleeful satisfaction (on my part)! :D ;)
QuoteI know it shouldn't, but that enduring bitterness is actually cause for some gleeful satisfaction (on my part)
Schadenfreude in Strabane.
Towards the end of this game, Stevie McDonnell was through on goal and you would have put your house on him rattling the net. From nowhere a Tyrone defender managed to get a block on that shot and Tyrone held on for their first All Ireland win. Who was the Tyrone defender?
Yes I enjoyed it immensely because I had Tyrone backed at the start of the year.........................................Kevin Hughes had an affro at the time and didnt he run out at the start of the game and head down and challenge McGeeney????
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 07:53:22 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 29, 2013, 06:57:09 PM
Since 03 Tyrone have won
3 All Ireland seniors
3 All Ireland minors - 1 minor title
1 NFL - 1 NFL (and a Div 2 title)
4 Senior ulsters - 4 Ulsters
2 u21's ulsters - 2 U-21 Ulsters, plus 1 AI U-21
6 minor ulsters - 2 minor Ulsters
Not to mention numerous all irelands at school level.
And you think we are deluded in believing Tyrone are among the Elite footballing counties.
Which other county over the last ten years have a record as comparable from school level to seniors ?
The issue here was about the seniors. But since you ask, I think you'll find Armagh have done just as good, as you can see above. And better, in some grades.
I know for a fact that Dungannon/Cookstown schools include some Armagh/Derry players.
If you call yourselves elite, Armagh aren't too far behind. And a county half the size.
Eh? You list Armagh's achievements besides Tyrone's and state they are as good !!! Did you do Maths at school . 3 AIF's Senior Vs 1, 3 AIF's Minor Vs 1. 6 minor Ulsters Vs 2 - Okay I'll give you the coveted Div 2 title......and Armagh ones go to school in Tyrone because you probably don't have schools in Armagh.
This thread nearly tells us how many Armagh and tyrone posters on here, talking about a game 10yrs gone, and its already on pg 5,
I used to admire Gormley as a player once.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 07:53:22 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 29, 2013, 06:57:09 PM
Since 03 Tyrone have won
3 All Ireland seniors
3 All Ireland minors - 1 minor title
1 NFL - 1 NFL (and a Div 2 title)
4 Senior ulsters - 4 Ulsters
2 u21's ulsters - 2 U-21 Ulsters, plus 1 AI U-21
6 minor ulsters - 2 minor Ulsters
Not to mention numerous all irelands at school level.
And you think we are deluded in believing Tyrone are among the Elite footballing counties.
Which other county over the last ten years have a record as comparable from school level to seniors ?
The issue here was about the seniors. But since you ask, I think you'll find Armagh have done just as good, as you can see above. And better, in some grades.
I know for a fact that Dungannon/Cookstown schools include some Armagh/Derry players.
If you call yourselves elite, Armagh aren't too far behind. And a county half the size.
So that's it then we are agreed.
Yous are just 3 all ireland senior titles, 2 all ireland minor titles, 4 ulster minor titles, 3 vocational all irelands and a couple of hogan cup's behind then. Yep by any standards thats comparable. It's official then Armagh are amomg Gaelic footballs elite.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 29, 2013, 08:15:16 PM
What really surprises me, is that some irredeemably embittered individuals could actually believe that we could give a fcuk what they think! :P
I know it shouldn't, but that enduring bitterness is actually cause for some gleeful satisfaction (on my part)! :D ;)
Me too ! If they had any sense they'd button it!!
Quote from: Rodman on September 29, 2013, 08:43:07 PM
Eh? You list Armagh's achievements besides Tyrone's and state they are as good !!! Did you do Maths at school . 3 AIF's Senior Vs 1, 3 AIF's Minor Vs 1. 6 minor Ulsters Vs 2 - Okay I'll give you the coveted Div 2 title......and Armagh ones go to school in Tyrone because you probably don't have schools in Armagh.
We have done better at u-21, and matched your NFL and Ulsters in that time. That's hardly the recent form of an 'irrelevant' county.
It's Armaghs delusion of being as good as their neighbours which I find funny. At least the Derry Inbreeds know their place they are up front about their begrudging and wouldn't dare to question our elite status. 10 years and counting the pain is as fresh as ever :)
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 08:54:59 PM
Quote from: Rodman on September 29, 2013, 08:43:07 PM
Eh? You list Armagh's achievements besides Tyrone's and state they are as good !!! Did you do Maths at school . 3 AIF's Senior Vs 1, 3 AIF's Minor Vs 1. 6 minor Ulsters Vs 2 - Okay I'll give you the coveted Div 2 title......and Armagh ones go to school in Tyrone because you probably don't have schools in Armagh.
We have done better at u-21, and matched your NFL and Ulsters in that time. That's hardly the recent form of an 'irrelevant' county.
10 years ago counties would worry about being drawn against Armagh today no one fears playing them even the Derry wans don't mind.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 29, 2013, 08:59:38 PM
It's Armaghs delusion of being as good as their neighbours which I find funny. At least the Derry Inbreeds know their place they are up front about their begrudging and wouldn't dare to question our elite status. 10 years and counting the pain is as fresh as ever :)
Recently history tells you Tyrone have only won one title more than Armagh at senior level. That's not delusion, that's fact.
Elite status, me hole. You have beaten nobody of note this last 5 seasons.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 09:17:57 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 29, 2013, 08:59:38 PM
It's Armaghs delusion of being as good as their neighbours which I find funny. At least the Derry Inbreeds know their place they are up front about their begrudging and wouldn't dare to question our elite status. 10 years and counting the pain is as fresh as ever :)
Recently history tells you Tyrone have only won one title more than Armagh at senior level. That's not delusion, that's fact.
Elite status, me hole. You have beaten nobody of note this last 5 seasons.
No wonder the Armagh kids are coming to school in Tyrone, feck knows what they are teaching them in Maths and History, judging by your posts.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 29, 2013, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 09:17:57 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 29, 2013, 08:59:38 PM
It's Armaghs delusion of being as good as their neighbours which I find funny. At least the Derry Inbreeds know their place they are up front about their begrudging and wouldn't dare to question our elite status. 10 years and counting the pain is as fresh as ever :)
Recently history tells you Tyrone have only won one title more than Armagh at senior level. That's not delusion, that's fact.
Elite status, me hole. You have beaten nobody of note this last 5 seasons.
No wonder the Armagh kids are coming to school in Tyrone, feck knows what they are teaching them in Maths and History, judging by your posts.
I know maths ain't your strong point but here's another one for you to get your head around. From 2003 Tyrone players have won 25 All stars v Armagh 7. Now get the calculator out for that big sum or ask a few of the children attending Tyrone schools to do it for you.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 29, 2013, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 09:17:57 PM
Recently history tells you Tyrone have only won one title more than Armagh at senior level. That's not delusion, that's fact.
Elite status, me hole. You have beaten nobody of note this last 5 seasons.
No wonder the Armagh kids are coming to school in Tyrone, feck knows what they are teaching them in Maths and History, judging by your posts.
Tyrone - 3 AIs, 5 Ulster, 2 NFL. Total = 10.
Armagh - 1 AI, 7 Ulster, 1 NFL. Total = 9.
Even if you were taught Maths in Tyrone, you'll get the same totals.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 08:54:59 PM
Quote from: Rodman on September 29, 2013, 08:43:07 PM
Eh? You list Armagh's achievements besides Tyrone's and state they are as good !!! Did you do Maths at school . 3 AIF's Senior Vs 1, 3 AIF's Minor Vs 1. 6 minor Ulsters Vs 2 - Okay I'll give you the coveted Div 2 title......and Armagh ones go to school in Tyrone because you probably don't have schools in Armagh.
We have done better at u-21, and matched your NFL and Ulsters in that time. That's hardly the recent form of an 'irrelevant' county.
Ha ha. Are you seriously still trying to argue that Armagh's record is as good as Tyrone's. Unbelievable. Armagh are not even contenders in Ulster anymore.
Some memories are good, some are bad.
I would just like to get back to the time when teams were afraid of meeting Armagh. But that wont happen soon.
I hated every minute of that game apart from the last 1-2 mins. I was so draining that I was tucked up in bed by 12.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 09:33:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 29, 2013, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 09:17:57 PM
Recently history tells you Tyrone have only won one title more than Armagh at senior level. That's not delusion, that's fact.
Elite status, me hole. You have beaten nobody of note this last 5 seasons.
No wonder the Armagh kids are coming to school in Tyrone, feck knows what they are teaching them in Maths and History, judging by your posts.
Tyrone - 3 AIs, 5 Ulster, 2 NFL. Total = 10.
Armagh - 1 AI, 7 Ulster, 1 NFL. Total = 9.
Even if you were taught Maths in Tyrone, you'll get the same totals.
So the 2 extra Ulster titles are equal value to the 2 extra All Ireland's? I'd imagine you'd struggle to find anyone who would swap their AI medals for Ulster ones. You're the the Comical Ali of Armagh.
It was a poor quality game,certainly in comparison to the 2002 Final.Bit anti climatic for Armagh,after facing and beating mighty Kerry in the previous year's final,found it very difficult to motivate themselves against a lesser side yet to win a title.
Still going into the last period of the game, Armagh were primed for the customary strong finish,but that was thwarted by a ridiculous sending off,and even at that it took a lucky block to deny Armagh an equalising goal.
Poor match,poor refereeing decision,and no one showed any excitement only the Tyrone fans.
Admittedly Tyrone IMO were probably the better team that day, even if it had stayed 15 v 15 I think they'd have won.
But there was no need to cheat to win that day. Like others said, the first one was tainted. Youse cheated to win it!
At least we have better club football!
I'll pretend to be Syferus, and throw in that an Armagh team has won three quarters of the Ulster club championships since 2003, Tyrone teams have won precisely zero in that time, they haven't even reached a final.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 09:33:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 29, 2013, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 09:17:57 PM
Recently history tells you Tyrone have only won one title more than Armagh at senior level. That's not delusion, that's fact.
Elite status, me hole. You have beaten nobody of note this last 5 seasons.
No wonder the Armagh kids are coming to school in Tyrone, feck knows what they are teaching them in Maths and History, judging by your posts.
Tyrone - 3 AIs, 5 Ulster, 2 NFL. Total = 10.
Armagh - 1 AI, 7 Ulster, 1 NFL. Total = 9.
Even if you were taught Maths in Tyrone, you'll get the same totals.
Now did that equation go something like this.
Ok lets give Tyrone their 3 all irelands for seniors since 03
Give them credit for their 4 ulsters add in their 6 minor and 2 u21 titles minus 7 for cynicism
Give them credit for 2002 national league even though its out side the 10 year's. That gives them 10 don't mention their 3 minor all irelands and ignore the 3 vocational school all ireland and those hogan cups cause im nearly sure a few armagh lads were on the bench.
Right then lets include our 02 all ireland even though that's 11 years ago. Ignore that u21 all ireland they might want to go back and include them 4 they won a few years previous. Right then thats our 4 ulster seniors plus 2 u21 ulsters add in another 02 senior makes 7 then add in our NFL. That makes 9.
10 - 9 = 1 see
Einstein wouldn't have a look in.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 29, 2013, 09:51:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 09:33:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 29, 2013, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 09:17:57 PM
Recently history tells you Tyrone have only won one title more than Armagh at senior level. That's not delusion, that's fact.
Elite status, me hole. You have beaten nobody of note this last 5 seasons.
No wonder the Armagh kids are coming to school in Tyrone, feck knows what they are teaching them in Maths and History, judging by your posts.
Tyrone - 3 AIs, 5 Ulster, 2 NFL. Total = 10.
Armagh - 1 AI, 7 Ulster, 1 NFL. Total = 9.
Even if you were taught Maths in Tyrone, you'll get the same totals.
So the 2 extra Ulster titles are equal value to the 2 extra All Ireland's? I'd imagine you'd struggle to find anyone who would swap their AI medals for Ulster ones. You're the the Comical Ali of Armagh.
Aye, because that's what I said ::)
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 29, 2013, 09:59:19 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 09:33:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 29, 2013, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 09:17:57 PM
Recently history tells you Tyrone have only won one title more than Armagh at senior level. That's not delusion, that's fact.
Elite status, me hole. You have beaten nobody of note this last 5 seasons.
No wonder the Armagh kids are coming to school in Tyrone, feck knows what they are teaching them in Maths and History, judging by your posts.
Tyrone - 3 AIs, 5 Ulster, 2 NFL. Total = 10.
Armagh - 1 AI, 7 Ulster, 1 NFL. Total = 9.
Even if you were taught Maths in Tyrone, you'll get the same totals.
Now did that equation go something like this.
Ok lets give Tyrone their 3 all irelands for seniors since 03
Give them credit for their 4 ulsters add in their 6 minor and 2 u21 titles minus 7 for cynicism
Give them credit for 2002 national league even though its out side the 10 year's. That gives them 10 don't mention their 3 minor all irelands and ignore the 3 vocational school all ireland and those hogan cups cause im nearly sure a few armagh lads were on the bench.
Right then lets include our 02 all ireland even though that's 11 years ago. Ignore that u21 all ireland they might want to go back and include them 4 they won a few years previous. Right then thats our 4 ulster seniors plus 2 u21 ulsters add in another 02 senior makes 7 then add in our NFL. That makes 9.
10 - 9 = 1 see
Einstein would have a look in.
I think it would take Einstein and Hawking combined, to work out what the hell all that was supposed to mean.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 10:01:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 29, 2013, 09:51:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 09:33:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 29, 2013, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 09:17:57 PM
Recently history tells you Tyrone have only won one title more than Armagh at senior level. That's not delusion, that's fact.
Elite status, me hole. You have beaten nobody of note this last 5 seasons.
No wonder the Armagh kids are coming to school in Tyrone, feck knows what they are teaching them in Maths and History, judging by your posts.
Tyrone - 3 AIs, 5 Ulster, 2 NFL. Total = 10.
Armagh - 1 AI, 7 Ulster, 1 NFL. Total = 9.
Even if you were taught Maths in Tyrone, you'll get the same totals.
So the 2 extra Ulster titles are equal value to the 2 extra All Ireland's? I'd imagine you'd struggle to find anyone who would swap their AI medals for Ulster ones. You're the the Comical Ali of Armagh.
Aye, because that's what I said ::)
I was trying to, at least, give you the credit that you were just counting up the number of trophies won and comparing the counties that way. I'm now completely baffled as to how on earth can you claim Armagh have been just as successful as Tyrone? Anyway, it's nice to know it still wrankles - but to be fair, after 10 years, I was still bitter about our loss to the Dubs in 95. It wasn't until we beat them in 05 that the pain began to ease and the victory in 08 closed the book on that one. Who knows, maybe If Armagh beat Tyrone in the next 3 years you may find your inner peace too and begin to move on. Best of luck with it!
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 10:05:52 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 29, 2013, 09:59:19 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 09:33:39 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 29, 2013, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 09:17:57 PM
Recently history tells you Tyrone have only won one title more than Armagh at senior level. That's not delusion, that's fact.
Elite status, me hole. You have beaten nobody of note this last 5 seasons.
No wonder the Armagh kids are coming to school in Tyrone, feck knows what they are teaching them in Maths and History, judging by your posts.
Tyrone - 3 AIs, 5 Ulster, 2 NFL. Total = 10.
Armagh - 1 AI, 7 Ulster, 1 NFL. Total = 9.
Even if you were taught Maths in Tyrone, you'll get the same totals.
Now did that equation go something like this.
Ok lets give Tyrone their 3 all irelands for seniors since 03
Give them credit for their 4 ulsters add in their 6 minor and 2 u21 titles minus 7 for cynicism
Give them credit for 2002 national league even though its out side the 10 year's. That gives them 10 don't mention their 3 minor all irelands and ignore the 3 vocational school all ireland and those hogan cups cause im nearly sure a few armagh lads were on the bench.
Right then lets include our 02 all ireland even though that's 11 years ago. Ignore that u21 all ireland they might want to go back and include them 4 they won a few years previous. Right then thats our 4 ulster seniors plus 2 u21 ulsters add in another 02 senior makes 7 then add in our NFL. That makes 9.
10 - 9 = 1 see
Einstein would have a look in.
I think it would take Einstein and Hawking combined, to work out what the hell all that was supposed to mean.
That I think is the point your maths or logic makes little sense.
I do feel I understand the Armagh dissatisfaction with 03 and the divergent paths both counties have taken since. In 02 all looked rosey Armagh had reached their zenith. Tyrone looked like lost soul's in the wilderness having been dumped on their assess by Sligo. Armagh had taken these poor soles and shown them the way. Then suddenly they wake up one September's morning to find out that the poor lost sole had broken into their castle ate their breakfast, screwed their wife and stole the family silver and the beesterds have been there since.
Would Tyrone have won in '03 without Armagh's victory the previous year?
Really hard to know. Did Armagh have the same total hunger in '03?
In '05 the margin between the two was miniscule. We were lucky to be one ahead when the whistle was blown.
If Art Mc Rory had been manager of Tyrone in 03,when they won Sam,would September 28th be known as Arthur's Day?
Quote from: ONeill on September 29, 2013, 11:03:17 PM
Would Tyrone have won in '03 without Armagh's victory the previous year?
Really hard to know. Did Armagh have the same total hunger in '03?
In '05 the margin between the two was miniscule. We were lucky to be one ahead when the whistle was blown.
A sensible post at last.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2013, 11:07:36 PM
If Art Mc Rory had been manager of Tyrone in 03,when they won Sam,would September 28th be known as Arthur's Day?
Funny, I was reading a match report earlier of Art's final game:
O'Hara the inspiration as Sligo storm back to outshoot TyroneSLIGO 1-14; TYRONE 0-12 THEY looked dead and buried after 20 minutes, but super Sligo stormed back in Lazarus-like fashion to shatter Tyrone's All-Ireland dream in this absorbing and intensely combative All-Ireland fourth round qualifier.
In the initial 20 minutes, Tyrone had played virtually all the football at Croke Park yesterday. They were tight at the back, in command at midfield, and their incisive and imaginative play up front with the Canavan brothers, Peter and Pascal, and Stephen O'Neill excelling constantly had the alarm bells ringing loudly in the beleaguered Sligo defence.
Not for the first time Peter Canavan underlined what a selfless player he is by often setting up scores for teammates when they were only marginally better placed than himself.
And he demonstrated his class, when, though fouled as he kicked the ball, he still managed to place midfielder Cormac McAnallen for Tyrone's sixth point.
With the exception of Sligo fans, the speed, mobility, cohesion and interplay of the Tyrone attack was a joy to watch, and the Ulster side were far from flattered by their 0-8 to 0-2 lead.
After 22 minutes, centre half-forward Dara McGarty provided some hope for the Connacht runners-up with a splendid point from almost the 45-metre line. But four minutes later the status quo was restored with a pointed free by Peter Canavan.
In contrast to the fluidity and imagination of the Tyrone play, far too much of Sligo's football was characterised by an aimless dimension, with many players frequently hoofing the ball up the field, rather than attempting to play the ball to a team-mate.
During this period of Tyrone dominance, the only Sligo player who looked on an equal footing with the opposition was midfielder Eamonn O'Hara, whose undoubted class, composure and vision shone out like a bright beacon.
O'Hara's lightning pace, allied to his excellent ball-winning ability and capability to sidestep opposing players, frequently enabled him to hurt Tyrone, and he showed the way for his team-mates by shooting two super long-range points, in addition to being very unlucky with another attempt. Bit by bit, the Sligo players began to follow the example of their inspirational skipper, particularly the likes of Nigel Clancy and David Durkin in defence, O'Hara's midfield partner Paul Durcan, and Dara McGarty, Kieran Quinn and Dessie Sloyan up front.
And it's a telling indication of the massive improvement in Sligo's level of performance that after Tyrone's ninth point, the northerners managed to add only a meagre three points to their total in the remaining 51 minutes. Of course, the warning signs were evident for Tyrone before the interval break.
After the League champions' ninth point, Sligo rocked them with four points on the trot, O'Hara fittingly leading the surge, followed by Mark Brehony, McGarty and Quinn.
In fact, Tyrone were decidely fortunate that Sligo had not pulled back to parity, rather than trailing 0-7 to 0-9 at half-time, as Quinn could well have found the net after being deftly set up by Sloyan.
But with only goalkeeper Peter Ward to beat, he blazed the ball over the bar. On the re-start, Sligo, who began with six personnel changes from the side beaten by Galway in the Connacht final, moved into an even higher gear.
The supply lines to the Canavans and O'Neill were almost entirely cut off, due to the increasing influences of Durcan and O'Hara over McAnallen and Colin Holmes, and of the Sligo half-back line of Noel McGuire, Nigel Clancy and David Durkin over Declan McCrossan, Pascal Canavan and Brian Dooher.
But, in addition to that very significant development, the Sligo defence and midfield started moving the ball around with similar fluidity and inventiveness to Tyrone in the first half, with the result that the Ulster side were often left chasing shadows.
It was a similar story in the battle between the Sligo attack and the Tyrone defence. In the first 20 minutes, the Sligo attacking unit had shown little flair and penetration, but in the second half they played with tremendous understanding, energy and panache.
The first seven minutes of the second half saw Tyrone outscore their opponents by three points to one to move 0-12 to 0-8 in front.
But from that point on, the Red Hands' fans were almost totally silenced, such was the grip that Sligo exerted on the contest.
Appropriately, it was the inspirational O'Hara who initiated the Sligo recovery, pointing from over 45 metres nine minutes into the second half. Twelve minutes later the Connacht men levelled at 0-12 each.
But they should not have had to wait that long, as Gerry McGowan, after being set up by a measured 60-metre delivery from John McPartland, shot wide from 11 metres, with only goalkeeper Ward to beat.
With eight minutes left on the clock, the Westerners delivered the knock-out blow. Dessie Sloyan blasted the ball to the roof of the net, after McGowan's point attempt had struck the left post.
Almost immediately, Sligo should have found the Tyrone net for the second time, but McGowan inexplicably chose to go it alone, when Sloyan was unmarked in front of the goal screaming for a pass, and punched the ball against the left post.
In the dying seconds, the northern outfit had a chance to put more respectability on the scoreboard, but vigilant Sligo defending blocked a goal attempt by McAnallen.
It was a shattered Tyrone side that trooped off the field, but at least they can take some consolation at contributing to a rivetting contest which provided tremendous value for money.
Indeed, the only downside was once again the standard of refereeing, with many of John Bannon's decisions being extremely baffling.
Frequently players who were being fouled were penalised by the match official, who, like most other referees, allowed players to kick frees and line balls yards from the appropriate spot.
SCORERS Sligo: D Sloyan 1-3 (2f); D McGarty 0-4; E O'Hara 0-3; P Durcan, M Brehony, K Quinn and G McGowan (f) 0-1 each. Tyrone: Peter Canavan 0-6 (3f); Pascal Canavan and S O'Neill 0-2 each; C McAnallen and B McGuigan 0-1 each.
TEAMS AND RATINGS
SLIGO J Curran 7; P Naughton 6, B Philips 7, M Cosgrove 5; N McGuire 6, N Clancy 8, D Durkin 7; P Durcan 8, E O'Hara 9; J McPartland 7, K Quinn 7, D McGarty 8; M Brehony 6, D Sloyan 8, G McGowan 6. Subs: N Carew 7 for Cosgrove (25), P Taylor 5 for Brehony (46), S Davey no rating for Quinn (65), J Davey no rating for Taylor (70). Yellow Cards: P Durcan (25), P Naughton (26), D Sloyan (63).
TYRONE P Ward 7; C Gormley 5, C Lawn 6, B Robinson 6; R McMenamin 5, C McGinley 5, P Jordan 6; C McAnallen 7, C Holmes 5; B Dooher 6, Pascal Canavan 6, D McCrossan 5; B McGuigan 5, S O'Neill 7, Peter Canavan 8. Subs: C Gourley 5 for Gormley (ht), K Hughes 5 no rating for McGuigan (54), G Cavlan 5 for Pascal Canavan (61), E Mulligan no rating for McCrossan (64).
REF J Bannon (Longford).
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/ohara-the-inspiration-as-sligo-storm-back-to-outshoot-tyrone-26042023.html
Quote from: ONeill on September 29, 2013, 11:03:17 PM
Would Tyrone have won in '03 without Armagh's victory the previous year?
Really hard to know. Did Armagh have the same total hunger in '03?
In '05 the margin between the two was miniscule. We were lucky to be one ahead when the whistle was blown.
Not sure if Tyrone would have won it in 03 had Armagh not won in 02 but it was coming with a special group of u21's and Mickey in charge.
Armagh in 03 were well up for it. One thing losing your All - Ireland title its another thing losing it to your next door neighbours.
05 was by far the best win for Tyrone as there really was nothing between either team and Armagh would have beaten Kerry.
That's what must wrankle them most to know that history could have been so different. Armagh could easily have won 3 All - Irelands with that team. Instead Tyrone won them and Armagh as a county fell into decline. Still and all you have to look back and acknowledged that was a great era for both counties and exceptional teams.
I know it's pointless, but I often wonder what would've happened in '04 had we won our respective QFs that day Fermanagh and Mayo won.
I'd have fancied Armagh and another All-Ireland.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2013, 11:07:36 PM
If Art Mc Rory had been manager of Tyrone in 03,when they won Sam,would September 28th be known as Arthur's Day?
Wouldn't have happened he had two chances and fcuked them both up. Up by 7 with 20 to go in 86 and against the worst team to win an AIF in 95.
A great memory from that day a great dummy and point from McGuigan which left Geezer on his hole
I'm sure it was answered before but what was the outcome of the appeal by Marsden that time.
Was the main issue did he make contact or can you get sent off for an attempted punch?
I think both teams really peaked around 2005 and it's a pity Armagh have faded away in recent years as that was a very exciting rivalry during those years. Both teams had great forwards but sadly neither have now
tyrone deserved their win in 03, enda mc ginley, sean cavanagh, calvin and muligan all fluffed a one on one with hearty although muligan did get cramp when he shot cos it went wide so it did- but if he hadn't of got cramp...
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 30, 2013, 05:28:01 PM
I'm sure it was answered before but what was the outcome of the appeal by Marsden that time.
Was the main issue did he make contact or can you get sent off for an attempted punch?
He got cleared because the referee spelt his name wrong.
I think both teams really peaked around 2005 and it's a pity Armagh have faded away in recent years as that was a very exciting rivalry during those years. Both teams had great forwards but sadly neither have now
Agreed Whilst the slagging is great the rivalry and sometimes we try to belittle the achievements of the 2 groups, by alleging this and that, the quality of the football played was much superior to it is now from the Dubs or anyone. Many will argue but have they watched it - I repeat the 2005 semifinal was the greatest game of all time and something had to give after and it was Armagh. Id love both teams to get back up there for another joust or two. Lest start with a first round draw in Omagh.
Are you the gaa fan version of willie fraser? ;)
Mustafa break.
Quote from: rrhf on September 30, 2013, 05:37:26 PM
I repeat the 2005 semifinal was the greatest game of all time
That 2005 semi-final was an incredible game alright. Nobody gave Galway a chance but they just had one of those occasional days where they can do no wrong. Kilkenny, as they always do, came right back at them, incredibly reducing a 14 point deficit to a puck of the ball by the end. I don't know if if was the greatest game of all-time, mind. That's a
big claim.
Lets be honest though. They are fading fast from the memory. Canavan, Mugsy (what was his real name anyway?)..who else ?
Ten years from now nobody will remember Tyrone, yet the names "Gooch", Brogan, Moynihan, MDMA, Dara O'Se , Aidan O'Shea will echo through the ages. Not because these men were perfect, by any means. Rather they strove for perfection against those whose only aim was to stop them. That nobility means something to those south of the border.
didnt one of the kerry players fail some sort of test after playing an AI final, maybe its not not that things are forgotten maybe some people don't want to remember
Quote from: sensethetone on September 30, 2013, 10:57:27 PM
didnt one of the kerry players fail some sort of test after playing an AI final, maybe its not not that things are forgotten maybe some people don't want to remember
This shows the disgraceful levels that Tyrone are willing to descend to. Impugning the character of an asthmatic who was cleared of any offence.
Fair play to you Mike Sheehy, it takes a truly unusual individual to make Jim Allister look generous in spirit by comparison.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 30, 2013, 10:47:48 PM
Lets be honest though. They are fading fast from the memory. Canavan, Mugsy (what was his real name anyway?)..who else ?
Ten years from now nobody will remember Tyrone, yet the names "Gooch", Brogan, Moynihan, MDMA, Dara O'Se , Aidan O'Shea will echo through the ages. Not because these men were perfect, by any means. Rather they strove for perfection against those whose only aim was to stop them. That nobility means something to those south of the border.
Will echo through the ages as members of the team incapable of beating teams from up north in All-Irelands. Can't you get over the fact Kerry were second best to Tyrone and Armagh in the 00's.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on September 30, 2013, 11:24:52 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on September 30, 2013, 10:57:27 PM
didnt one of the kerry players fail some sort of test after playing an AI final, maybe its not not that things are forgotten maybe some people don't want to remember
This shows the disgraceful levels that Tyrone are willing to descend to. Impugning the character of an asthmatic who was cleared of any offence.
Breathtaking Sensethetone breathtaking.
It was a poor game but I don't think anybody from Tyrone cared. We should have had Armagh well beaten that day, there were some terrible misses from goal chances. Tyrone were the best team that year though and deserved their All-Ireland, the fact that the second half against Kerry and the final against Armagh were pretty turgid doesn't change that.
The belief that came from making that breakthrough in 2003 was key to the team going to another level in 2005 - that was a truly exceptional team. But for injury they would surely have won more titles but it was testimony to Harte and those lads that they re-grouped and with a team not IMO at the same level individually as 2005 still won another All-Ireland in 2008. Add in the off field tragedies that hit that group and it makes the achievements all the greater. F*ck the begrudgers ;D.
Oh, and Armagh were a fine team too and their 2002 success was well deserved ;)
The Tyrone team by 2005 were on top of their game but injuries effectively destroyed the team. I remember the 2006 game against Derry when Tyrone were missing the majority of their best players, that year and 2007 were two years where you wondered if there was any luck in the County as everyone seemed to be hit badly. Was there ever a squad/team decimated by injuries as badly? 2008 was the last hurrah but by then injuries had robbed the team of the real Brian McGuigan and Steven O'Neill.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 01, 2013, 10:32:15 AM
The Tyrone team by 2005 were on top of their game but injuries effectively destroyed the team. I remember the 2006 game against Derry when Tyrone were missing the majority of their best players, that year and 2007 were two years where you wondered if there was any luck in the County as everyone seemed to be hit badly. Was there ever a squad/team decimated by injuries as badly? 2008 was the last hurrah but by then injuries had robbed the team of the real Brian McGuigan and Steven O'Neill.
Tyrone: P McConnell; R McMenamin, C McGinley, C Gourley; D Harte (0-01), C Gormley, P Jordan; C Holmes; P Donnelly (0-01 (1 '45)); B Dooher (capt), S Cavanagh, R Mulgrew; R Mellon, K Hughes, O Mulligan (0-02 (2f)).
Substitutes: J McMahon (0-01) for Holmes, M Penrose for Mulgrew, E McGinley for Penrose, D Carlin for Gourley, B Meenan for Cavanagh.
Apart from the two players mentioned, what other players would have been included in this
majority?
Quote from: Estimator on October 01, 2013, 10:47:06 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 01, 2013, 10:32:15 AM
The Tyrone team by 2005 were on top of their game but injuries effectively destroyed the team. I remember the 2006 game against Derry when Tyrone were missing the majority of their best players, that year and 2007 were two years where you wondered if there was any luck in the County as everyone seemed to be hit badly. Was there ever a squad/team decimated by injuries as badly? 2008 was the last hurrah but by then injuries had robbed the team of the real Brian McGuigan and Steven O'Neill.
Tyrone: P McConnell; R McMenamin, C McGinley, C Gourley; D Harte (0-01), C Gormley, P Jordan; C Holmes; P Donnelly (0-01 (1 '45)); B Dooher (capt), S Cavanagh, R Mulgrew; R Mellon, K Hughes, O Mulligan (0-02 (2f)).
Substitutes: J McMahon (0-01) for Holmes, M Penrose for Mulgrew, E McGinley for Penrose, D Carlin for Gourley, B Meenan for Cavanagh.
Apart from the two players mentioned, what other players would have been included in this majority?
Gerard Cavlan, Mickey McGee, Joe McMahon, Enda McGinley and Martin Penrose didn't start that day as well as the two others mentioned. But the fact alone that McGuigan and SON were missing that day was huge as they were our two best players.
Its comical how overrated Tyrone are by their own followers.
That Tyrone team would not have lasted 5minutes in the new more positive era.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 12:26:57 PM
Its comical how overrated Tyrone are by their own followers.
That Tyrone team would not have lasted 5minutes in the new more positive era.
If that Tyrone team is overated what would you call the Kerry side of 00's who couldnt beat them?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 12:26:57 PM
Its comical how overrated Tyrone are by their own followers.
That Tyrone team would not have lasted 5minutes in the new more positive era.
That Tyrone team would have no bother against this years winners. Great work ethic, strong defense and lots of great individual players.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 01, 2013, 11:54:07 AM
Quote from: Estimator on October 01, 2013, 10:47:06 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 01, 2013, 10:32:15 AM
The Tyrone team by 2005 were on top of their game but injuries effectively destroyed the team. I remember the 2006 game against Derry when Tyrone were missing the majority of their best players, that year and 2007 were two years where you wondered if there was any luck in the County as everyone seemed to be hit badly. Was there ever a squad/team decimated by injuries as badly? 2008 was the last hurrah but by then injuries had robbed the team of the real Brian McGuigan and Steven O'Neill.
Tyrone: P McConnell; R McMenamin, C McGinley, C Gourley; D Harte (0-01), C Gormley, P Jordan; C Holmes; P Donnelly (0-01 (1 '45)); B Dooher (capt), S Cavanagh, R Mulgrew; R Mellon, K Hughes, O Mulligan (0-02 (2f)).
Substitutes: J McMahon (0-01) for Holmes, M Penrose for Mulgrew, E McGinley for Penrose, D Carlin for Gourley, B Meenan for Cavanagh.
Apart from the two players mentioned, what other players would have been included in this majority?
Gerard Cavlan, Mickey McGee, Joe McMahon, Enda McGinley and Martin Penrose didn't start that day as well as the two others mentioned. But the fact alone that McGuigan and SON were missing that day was huge as they were our two best players.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the players in Blue played/started in 1 All Ireland final and the players in red played/started in 2 All Ireland finals. Which just leaves 3 players who had featured yet. Hardly a side devoid of experience and talent!
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 01, 2013, 12:32:57 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 12:26:57 PM
Its comical how overrated Tyrone are by their own followers.
That Tyrone team would not have lasted 5minutes in the new more positive era.
If that Tyrone team is overated what would you call the Kerry side of 00's who couldnt beat them?
The heart of that Kerry team are still going and showed last month that they would dominate this era as well if they still had the legs.
Thats the point. Tyrone were , first and foremost, a negative defensive team who could not survive in the modern game whereas Kerry had all the skills to prosper in these new, more enlightened times.
Quote from: Estimator on October 01, 2013, 01:12:21 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 01, 2013, 11:54:07 AM
Quote from: Estimator on October 01, 2013, 10:47:06 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 01, 2013, 10:32:15 AM
The Tyrone team by 2005 were on top of their game but injuries effectively destroyed the team. I remember the 2006 game against Derry when Tyrone were missing the majority of their best players, that year and 2007 were two years where you wondered if there was any luck in the County as everyone seemed to be hit badly. Was there ever a squad/team decimated by injuries as badly? 2008 was the last hurrah but by then injuries had robbed the team of the real Brian McGuigan and Steven O'Neill.
Tyrone: P McConnell; R McMenamin, C McGinley, C Gourley; D Harte (0-01), C Gormley, P Jordan; C Holmes; P Donnelly (0-01 (1 '45)); B Dooher (capt), S Cavanagh, R Mulgrew; R Mellon, K Hughes, O Mulligan (0-02 (2f)).
Substitutes: J McMahon (0-01) for Holmes, M Penrose for Mulgrew, E McGinley for Penrose, D Carlin for Gourley, B Meenan for Cavanagh.
Apart from the two players mentioned, what other players would have been included in this majority?
Gerard Cavlan, Mickey McGee, Joe McMahon, Enda McGinley and Martin Penrose didn't start that day as well as the two others mentioned. But the fact alone that McGuigan and SON were missing that day was huge as they were our two best players.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the players in Blue played/started in 1 All Ireland final and the players in red played/started in 2 All Ireland finals. Which just leaves 3 players who had featured yet. Hardly a side devoid of experience and talent!
Of the team that started against Derry in 2006 Tyrone were missing SON, Brian McGuigan, McGee, Enda McGinley, Joe McMahon, Cavlan and Penrose. Of course there are other players who ended up playing who had big game experience but they would not have been first choice. Tyrone were severely depleted in 2006 and you are the first I have ever came across to argue against that fact. I can even remember the Derry manager and star man acknowledging the fact in the run up to the game.
QuoteThats the point. Tyrone were , first and foremost, a negative defensive team who could not survive in the modern game whereas Kerry had all the skills to prosper in these new, more enlightened times.
Did Kerry's legs age faster than Tyrone's legs? Was it all the rain?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 01:18:18 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 01, 2013, 12:32:57 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 12:26:57 PM
Its comical how overrated Tyrone are by their own followers.
That Tyrone team would not have lasted 5minutes in the new more positive era.
If that Tyrone team is overated what would you call the Kerry side of 00's who couldnt beat them?
The heart of that Kerry team are still going and showed last month that they would dominate this era as well if they still had the legs.
Thats the point. Tyrone were , first and foremost, a negative defensive team who could not survive in the modern game whereas Kerry had all the skills to prosper in these new, more enlightened times.
What prospering have Kerry actually achieved? Is getting to an All Ireland semi final an achievement now? Did Tyrone not exit at the same stage?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 01:18:18 PM
The heart of that Kerry team are still going and showed last month that they would dominate this era as well if they still had the legs.
Just like the previous decade the Kerry team of 2013 couldn't stand the heat when up against a rival who actually believed they could beat them. Crumbled when it really mattered, again.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on October 01, 2013, 01:47:15 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 01:18:18 PM
The heart of that Kerry team are still going and showed last month that they would dominate this era as well if they still had the legs.
Just like the previous decade the Kerry team of 2013 couldn't stand the heat when up against a rival who actually believed they could beat them. Crumbled when it really mattered, again.
Crumbled? It was level with a minute to go. Declan O'S had a chance to put Kerry a point ahead. Two Kerry men going for the same ball before K McM's goal was the deciding factor. It was toe to toe for 70 minutes. Saying Kerry crumbled is nonsense.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 01, 2013, 02:39:41 PM
Crumbled? It was level with a minute to go. Declan O'S had a chance to put Kerry a point ahead. Two Kerry men going for the same ball before K McM's goal was the deciding factor. It was toe to toe for 70 minutes. Saying Kerry crumbled is nonsense.
They were a point up with 3 minutes to go and they lost by 7. They were 4 ahead with 6 minutes to go in the 2011 final and they lost. In 2008 they hit four in a row against Tyrone to go ahead with 15 minutes to play and were then outscored 0-5 to 0-0 for the remainder of the game. In 2005 they got a goal against the run of the play to come within a point and they should have had the momentum but were outscored 0-4 to 0-2 in the closing stages. They had the momentum with the late goal against Donegal in 2012 but couldn't get the win.
They were a great team with some fantastic players but their record when other really good - and mentally strong teams - put it up to them wasn't great. Not that the mainstream media in Ireland ever said it.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on October 01, 2013, 03:08:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 01, 2013, 02:39:41 PM
Crumbled? It was level with a minute to go. Declan O'S had a chance to put Kerry a point ahead. Two Kerry men going for the same ball before K McM's goal was the deciding factor. It was toe to toe for 70 minutes. Saying Kerry crumbled is nonsense.
They were a point up with 3 minutes to go and they lost by 7. They were 4 ahead with 6 minutes to go in the 2011 final and they lost. In 2008 they hit four in a row against Tyrone to go ahead with 15 minutes to play and were then outscored 0-5 to 0-0 for the remainder of the game. In 2005 they got a goal against the run of the play to come within a point and they should have had the momentum but were outscored 0-4 to 0-2 in the closing stages. They had the momentum with the late goal against Donegal in 2012 but couldn't get the win.
They were a great team with some fantastic players but their record when other really good - and mentally strong teams - put it up to them wasn't great. Not that the mainstream media in Ireland ever said it.
you said it. Best county this last 20 years, without a doubt. And played football with a bit of class
The way I see it.
Armagh and Tyrone were the best teams in the period 2002-2005
Tyrone was the best team in the period 2003-2008
Kerry was the best team from 2000-2009.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on October 01, 2013, 03:08:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 01, 2013, 02:39:41 PM
Crumbled? It was level with a minute to go. Declan O'S had a chance to put Kerry a point ahead. Two Kerry men going for the same ball before K McM's goal was the deciding factor. It was toe to toe for 70 minutes. Saying Kerry crumbled is nonsense.
They were a point up with 3 minutes to go and they lost by 7. They were 4 ahead with 6 minutes to go in the 2011 final and they lost. In 2008 they hit four in a row against Tyrone to go ahead with 15 minutes to play and were then outscored 0-5 to 0-0 for the remainder of the game. In 2005 they got a goal against the run of the play to come within a point and they should have had the momentum but were outscored 0-4 to 0-2 in the closing stages. They had the momentum with the late goal against Donegal in 2012 but couldn't get the win.
They were a great team with some fantastic players but their record when other really good - and mentally strong teams - put it up to them wasn't great. Not that the mainstream media in Ireland ever said it.
Kerry's only [knockout/final] defeats in this era (02-09) were to excellent Tyrone and Armagh teams.
Tyrone on the other hand lost to far inferior teams such as Mayo, Laois and Meath.
I always found it strange how losing finals to great teams is considered evidence to sully a team's reputation, but losing earlier on to weaker teams is just ignored.
Also, Kerry winning back to back doesn't get the recognition it deserves.
Quote from: blanketattack on October 01, 2013, 05:20:32 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on October 01, 2013, 03:08:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 01, 2013, 02:39:41 PM
Crumbled? It was level with a minute to go. Declan O'S had a chance to put Kerry a point ahead. Two Kerry men going for the same ball before K McM's goal was the deciding factor. It was toe to toe for 70 minutes. Saying Kerry crumbled is nonsense.
They were a point up with 3 minutes to go and they lost by 7. They were 4 ahead with 6 minutes to go in the 2011 final and they lost. In 2008 they hit four in a row against Tyrone to go ahead with 15 minutes to play and were then outscored 0-5 to 0-0 for the remainder of the game. In 2005 they got a goal against the run of the play to come within a point and they should have had the momentum but were outscored 0-4 to 0-2 in the closing stages. They had the momentum with the late goal against Donegal in 2012 but couldn't get the win.
They were a great team with some fantastic players but their record when other really good - and mentally strong teams - put it up to them wasn't great. Not that the mainstream media in Ireland ever said it.
Kerry's only [knockout/final] defeats in this era (02-09) were to excellent Tyrone and Armagh teams.
Tyrone on the other hand lost to far inferior teams such as Mayo, Laois and Meath.
I always found it strange how losing finals to great teams is considered evidence to sully a team's reputation, but losing earlier on to weaker teams is just ignored.
Also, Kerry winning back to back doesn't get the recognition it deserves.
Tyrone had a horrible streak of bad luck including injuries to key players, off field issues and of course the tragic death of their captain to contend with during the period 2003 to 2010. I'd say it was a remarkable feat of resilience that those lads returned to the well two more times after 2003 and hardly surprising they had a few blips along the way. No team dominated Tyrone consistently the way Tyrone dominated Kerry during that era. A truly great team doesn't get beaten by the same team three times in massive games.
A great team doesnt go a half without scoring against as it turned out a poor enough Derry team in 2006
i would look more at how often both teams make the final in the same span? Kerry there maybe 7 times in 8 or so yrs??
As Pat Spillane said, Grrrreat teams do back to back AI and , grrrrreat teams do back to back quater finals (or words to that effect)
Tyrone could only succeed by stopping teams playing and could not sustain that effort. The similarities with that other abomination of a team, Donegal, are remarkable. You saw what a pathetic defence they mustered. They, like Tyrone, simply did not have the talent to make up for when the effort dropped.
Tyrone were shit to watch as well. Robots playing their part in their system ::) Boring, Boring shite.
Also, why do you lads get so sensitive when anyone questions the relative merits of your team ? Sure aren't ye always applying the same revisionism to the 70's/80's.
You need to toughen up and grow a thicker skin. History will judge this Tyrone team harshly and you need to get used to that fact.
hell the Galway 3 in a row team of the 60`s barely talked about, unlike the 60/61 Down team of the same era
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 08:17:47 PM
As Pat Spillane said, Grrrreat teams do back to back AI and , grrrrreat teams do back to back quater finals (or words to that effect)
Tyrone could only succeed by stopping teams playing and could not sustain that effort. The similarities with that other abomination of a team, Donegal, are remarkable. You saw what a pathetic defence they mustered. They, like Tyrone, simply did not have the talent to make up for when the effort dropped.
Tyrone were shit to watch as well. Robots playing their part in their system ::) Boring, Boring shite.
Ah well, if Pat Spilliane said it then it must be true! ::)
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 01, 2013, 06:08:01 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on October 01, 2013, 05:20:32 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on October 01, 2013, 03:08:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 01, 2013, 02:39:41 PM
Crumbled? It was level with a minute to go. Declan O'S had a chance to put Kerry a point ahead. Two Kerry men going for the same ball before K McM's goal was the deciding factor. It was toe to toe for 70 minutes. Saying Kerry crumbled is nonsense.
They were a point up with 3 minutes to go and they lost by 7. They were 4 ahead with 6 minutes to go in the 2011 final and they lost. In 2008 they hit four in a row against Tyrone to go ahead with 15 minutes to play and were then outscored 0-5 to 0-0 for the remainder of the game. In 2005 they got a goal against the run of the play to come within a point and they should have had the momentum but were outscored 0-4 to 0-2 in the closing stages. They had the momentum with the late goal against Donegal in 2012 but couldn't get the win.
They were a great team with some fantastic players but their record when other really good - and mentally strong teams - put it up to them wasn't great. Not that the mainstream media in Ireland ever said it.
Kerry's only [knockout/final] defeats in this era (02-09) were to excellent Tyrone and Armagh teams.
Tyrone on the other hand lost to far inferior teams such as Mayo, Laois and Meath.
I always found it strange how losing finals to great teams is considered evidence to sully a team's reputation, but losing earlier on to weaker teams is just ignored.
Also, Kerry winning back to back doesn't get the recognition it deserves.
Tyrone had a horrible streak of bad luck including injuries to key players, off field issues and of course the tragic death of their captain to contend with during the period 2003 to 2010. I'd say it was a remarkable feat of resilience that those lads returned to the well two more times after 2003 and hardly surprising they had a few blips along the way. No team dominated Tyrone consistently the way Tyrone dominated Kerry during that era. A truly great team doesn't get beaten by the same team three times in massive games.
So would you have considered Kerry's reputation to be much better if in 03 05 and 08 they bowed out early in Munster to Cork and Limerick and bowed out tamely in the back door and never went on to meet Tyrone?
BTW, didn't the Down team of the 60s lose 3 times to Cavan thus by your rationale disqualifying them as a great team?
Quote from: blanketattack on October 01, 2013, 10:01:43 PM
BTW, didn't the Down team of the 60s lose 3 times to Cavan thus by your rationale disqualifying them as a great team?
Down beat Cavan in Ulster Finals in 1959, 1960, 1965 and 1968, so your point is irrelevant. Because as a great team, Down DID find a way to beat Cavan. Anyway, I'd say the level of analysis of the oppositions play in the 60s was not quite like it is today. Mickey Harte always worked out a way to beat Kerry, three different Kerry managers couldn't work out how to beat Tyrone. Given the level of statistical analysis and coverage that surrounds games in the modern era, a great team would have found a way to get the better of their greatest rivals, Tyrone shouldn't have brought anything to the table that Kerry couldn't handle - but they did, each and every time they played during that era.
Oh we figured you out alright.We gave you the biggest hammering of your life in Killarney and consigned Tyrone to the dustbin of history.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 10:19:05 PM
Oh we figured you out alright.We gave you the biggest hammering of your life in Killarney and consigned Tyrone to the dustbin of history.
That's like saying that Clare figured out the great Golden years Kerry team because they beat them in 1992.
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 01, 2013, 10:22:49 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 10:19:05 PM
Oh we figured you out alright.We gave you the biggest hammering of your life in Killarney and consigned Tyrone to the dustbin of history.
That's like saying that Clare figured out the great Golden years Kerry team because they beat them in 1992.
Don't know how this has become a Kerry /Tyrone thread, but one thing for sure is that once the likes of Gooch, the O'Se's, O'Sullivan and Galvin hang the boots up in the next 2 years or so then they will fall down to the level of Armagh. This year was Kerry's last hurrah and they come up short, it's all downhill from here for Kerry I'm afraid. Absolutely nothing coming through - do they have underage teams in Kerry?
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 01, 2013, 10:22:49 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 10:19:05 PM
Oh we figured you out alright.We gave you the biggest hammering of your life in Killarney and consigned Tyrone to the dustbin of history.
That's like saying that Clare figured out the great Golden years Kerry team because they beat them in 1992.
That is a really terrible analogy. Up your game ffs.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 11:05:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 01, 2013, 10:22:49 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 10:19:05 PM
Oh we figured you out alright.We gave you the biggest hammering of your life in Killarney and consigned Tyrone to the dustbin of history.
That's like saying that Clare figured out the great Golden years Kerry team because they beat them in 1992.
That is a really terrible analogy. Up your game ffs.
It makes as much sense as you suggesting Kerry figured Tyrone out in 2012 - four years after we handed you your arses for the third time.
Quote from: Rodman on October 01, 2013, 10:46:01 PM
Absolutely nothing coming through - do they have underage teams in Kerry?
Yes, we have underage teams in Kerry. Honourable young lads who don't cheat.
Some things are more important than winning.
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 01, 2013, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 11:05:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 01, 2013, 10:22:49 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 10:19:05 PM
Oh we figured you out alright.We gave you the biggest hammering of your life in Killarney and consigned Tyrone to the dustbin of history.
That's like saying that Clare figured out the great Golden years Kerry team because they beat them in 1992.
That is a really terrible analogy. Up your game ffs.
It makes as much sense as you suggesting Kerry figured Tyrone out in 2012 - four years after we handed you your arses for the third time.
Ah come on, dont exaggerate.
A 4 point win isn't handing them their arses... Maybe a 15 or 20 point win is, but not 4.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 11:10:30 PM
Quote from: Rodman on October 01, 2013, 10:46:01 PM
Absolutely nothing coming through - do they have underage teams in Kerry?
Yes, we have underage teams in Kerry. Honourable young lads who don't cheat.
Some things are more important than winning.
Well, you may get used to loosing honourably as it's going to happen to Kerry quite regularly. 1 underage title in the past 15 is a disgrace for Kerry.
QuoteYes, we have underage teams in Kerry. Honourable young lads who don't cheat.
Some things are more important than winning.
Yes. Making Kerry look like wee boys in the AISF. Get over it Mike. Tyrone in their prime dominated you all over the field and you had no answer.
Quote from: Rodman on October 01, 2013, 10:46:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 01, 2013, 10:22:49 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 10:19:05 PM
Oh we figured you out alright.We gave you the biggest hammering of your life in Killarney and consigned Tyrone to the dustbin of history.
That's like saying that Clare figured out the great Golden years Kerry team because they beat them in 1992.
Don't know how this has become a Kerry /Tyrone thread, but one thing for sure is that once the likes of Gooch, the O'Se's, O'Sullivan and Galvin hang the boots up in the next 2 years or so then they will fall down to the level of Armagh. This year was Kerry's last hurrah and they come up short, it's all downhill from here for Kerry I'm afraid. Absolutely nothing coming through - do they have underage teams in Kerry?
What do ya mean, fall down? We beat Kerry just over a year ago don't forget. In Kerry, too! Kerry have to do a bit before they get up to Armagh's level ;)
By the way, Kerry have been written off thus last 4 years or so. OK, so they haven't won an AI since 09, but they'll always be There or thereabouts. They should have beat Dublin this year. A knackered old team apparently. Kerry will always be dangerous.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 01, 2013, 11:25:41 PM
Quote from: Rodman on October 01, 2013, 10:46:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 01, 2013, 10:22:49 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 10:19:05 PM
Oh we figured you out alright.We gave you the biggest hammering of your life in Killarney and consigned Tyrone to the dustbin of history.
That's like saying that Clare figured out the great Golden years Kerry team because they beat them in 1992.
Don't know how this has become a Kerry /Tyrone thread, but one thing for sure is that once the likes of Gooch, the O'Se's, O'Sullivan and Galvin hang the boots up in the next 2 years or so then they will fall down to the level of Armagh. This year was Kerry's last hurrah and they come up short, it's all downhill from here for Kerry I'm afraid. Absolutely nothing coming through - do they have underage teams in Kerry?
What do ya mean, fall down? We beat Kerry just over a year ago don't forget. In Kerry, too! Kerry have to do a bit before they get up to Armagh's level ;)
By the way, Kerry have been written off thus last 4 years or so. OK, so they haven't won an AI since 09, but they'll always be There or thereabouts. They should have beat Dublin this year. A knackered old team apparently. Kerry will always be dangerous.
Agree, a team with Gooch, O'Sullivan, O'Se's, Galvin will always be dangerous but these boys will be gone in a year or two, then Kerry are toast. This was proved in the league when these boys didn't play, as you said, even Armagh beat them, thats how far they are going to fall.
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 01, 2013, 10:22:49 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 10:19:05 PM
Oh we figured you out alright.We gave you the biggest hammering of your life in Killarney and consigned Tyrone to the dustbin of history.
That's like saying that Clare figured out the great Golden years Kerry team because they beat them in 1992.
Tyrone were indeed stuffed by 10 pts in that qualifier, but both teams reached the semis this year.
Luckily for Kerry, they are no longer troubled by niggly qualifier nonsense with the cool seeded draw in Munster next year.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 11:10:30 PM
Quote from: Rodman on October 01, 2013, 10:46:01 PM
Absolutely nothing coming through - do they have underage teams in Kerry?
Yes, we have underage teams in Kerry. Honourable young lads who don't cheat.
Some things are more important than winning.
Mike I think you need to hold on to that thought, perhaps tattoo it somewhere special. I think that will become very relevant to Kerry in the years to come. History tells us Kingdoms adventually fall. Kerry have failed to produce any sustained sucess at underage level in the last 10 years. History and tradition means little in the modern era and the inevitable decline will be excruciating for a County so use to so much success. I hope you enjoyed the swan song in 2013 as a semi final spot may well become the ceiling in the years to come.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 01, 2013, 11:25:41 PM
Quote from: Rodman on October 01, 2013, 10:46:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 01, 2013, 10:22:49 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 10:19:05 PM
Oh we figured you out alright.We gave you the biggest hammering of your life in Killarney and consigned Tyrone to the dustbin of history.
That's like saying that Clare figured out the great Golden years Kerry team because they beat them in 1992.
Don't know how this has become a Kerry /Tyrone thread, but one thing for sure is that once the likes of Gooch, the O'Se's, O'Sullivan and Galvin hang the boots up in the next 2 years or so then they will fall down to the level of Armagh. This year was Kerry's last hurrah and they come up short, it's all downhill from here for Kerry I'm afraid. Absolutely nothing coming through - do they have underage teams in Kerry?
What do ya mean, fall down? We beat Kerry just over a year ago don't forget. In Kerry, too! Kerry have to do a bit before they get up to Armagh's level ;)
By the way, Kerry have been written off thus last 4 years or so. OK, so they haven't won an AI since 09, but they'll always be There or thereabouts. They should have beat Dublin this year. A knackered old team apparently. Kerry will always be dangerous.
Benny, as this team breaks up the Kerry lustre will fall away and the likes of Limerick and Tipp will begin to take them out in Munster. The weakness of their underage structure is there to be seen. This stuff about Kerry will always be dangerous only applies when they have quality players to call on.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 01, 2013, 11:36:17 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 11:10:30 PM
Quote from: Rodman on October 01, 2013, 10:46:01 PM
Absolutely nothing coming through - do they have underage teams in Kerry?
Yes, we have underage teams in Kerry. Honourable young lads who don't cheat.
Some things are more important than winning.
Mike I think you need to hold on to that thought, perhaps tattoo it somewhere special. I think that will become very relevant to Kerry in the years to come. History tells us Kingdoms adventually fall. Kerry have failed to produce any sustained sucess at underage level in the last 10 years. History and tradition means little in the modern era and the inevitable decline will be excruciating for a County so use to so much success. I hope you enjoyed the swan song in 2013 as a semi final spot may well become the ceiling in the years to come.
That sounds like you think Tyrone will always be successful. Your 2008 AI winning minors, theres only two in the current senior squad. That's 5 years later. Where is the other 18 to 20 players? Tyrone haven't been as dominant at u-21 level recently. Thats a crucial age, and can be a great springboard for senior success. We all know underage/school success means nothing, if a decent crop of those lads don't come through into the seniors.
So, look at your own county before criticising others. You've no idea what Kerry are doing at underage. Just because they aren't winning much at minor, don't mean they're doing feck all at underage. Look how quickly Clare senior hurling benefited from a few good years at underage level. It can all change so quickly for a county teams fortunes, one way or another.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 29, 2013, 08:49:05 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 07:53:22 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 29, 2013, 06:57:09 PM
Since 03 Tyrone have won
3 All Ireland seniors
3 All Ireland minors - 1 minor title
1 NFL - 1 NFL (and a Div 2 title)
4 Senior ulsters - 4 Ulsters
2 u21's ulsters - 2 U-21 Ulsters, plus 1 AI U-21
6 minor ulsters - 2 minor Ulsters
Not to mention numerous all irelands at school level.
And you think we are deluded in believing Tyrone are among the Elite footballing counties.
Which other county over the last ten years have a record as comparable from school level to seniors ?
The issue here was about the seniors. But since you ask, I think you'll find Armagh have done just as good, as you can see above. And better, in some grades.
I know for a fact that Dungannon/Cookstown schools include some Armagh/Derry players.
If you call yourselves elite, Armagh aren't too far behind. And a county half the size.
So that's it then we are agreed.
Yous are just 3 all ireland senior titles, 2 all ireland minor titles, 4 ulster minor titles, 3 vocational all irelands and a couple of hogan cup's behind then. Yep by any standards thats comparable. It's official then Armagh are amomg Gaelic footballs elite.
True, but don't forget that Armagh clubs have won more than half of the ulster club titles won in the last 20 years and over a quarter of all Ireland club titles
Tyrone clubs have won 2 ulster senior titles.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on October 02, 2013, 12:11:52 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 29, 2013, 08:49:05 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 07:53:22 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 29, 2013, 06:57:09 PM
Since 03 Tyrone have won
3 All Ireland seniors
3 All Ireland minors - 1 minor title
1 NFL - 1 NFL (and a Div 2 title)
4 Senior ulsters - 4 Ulsters
2 u21's ulsters - 2 U-21 Ulsters, plus 1 AI U-21
6 minor ulsters - 2 minor Ulsters
Not to mention numerous all irelands at school level.
And you think we are deluded in believing Tyrone are among the Elite footballing counties.
Which other county over the last ten years have a record as comparable from school level to seniors ?
The issue here was about the seniors. But since you ask, I think you'll find Armagh have done just as good, as you can see above. And better, in some grades.
I know for a fact that Dungannon/Cookstown schools include some Armagh/Derry players.
If you call yourselves elite, Armagh aren't too far behind. And a county half the size.
So that's it then we are agreed.
Yous are just 3 all ireland senior titles, 2 all ireland minor titles, 4 ulster minor titles, 3 vocational all irelands and a couple of hogan cup's behind then. Yep by any standards thats comparable. It's official then Armagh are amomg Gaelic footballs elite.
True, but don't forget that Armagh clubs have won more than half of the ulster club titles won in the last 20 years and over a quarter of all Ireland club titles
Tyrone clubs have won 2 ulster senior titles.
Proves nothing other than Cross have a greater concentration of the better footballers in their county while other counties have them spread over a greater diversity of clubs. I don't see any other clubs in Armagh even capable of resting the county title from them. A back to back in Tyrone championship is a great achievement never mind a ten in a row.
I reckon an equal club scene is good for a county. I'm sure Cross' success has hindered Armaghs chances of success. Cross weren't as dominant from 2000-07, which was Armaghs most dominant period. Coincidence?
Quote from: BennyCake on October 02, 2013, 12:09:28 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 01, 2013, 11:36:17 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 11:10:30 PM
Quote from: Rodman on October 01, 2013, 10:46:01 PM
Absolutely nothing coming through - do they have underage teams in Kerry?
Yes, we have underage teams in Kerry. Honourable young lads who don't cheat.
Some things are more important than winning.
Mike I think you need to hold on to that thought, perhaps tattoo it somewhere special. I think that will become very relevant to Kerry in the years to come. History tells us Kingdoms adventually fall. Kerry have failed to produce any sustained sucess at underage level in the last 10 years. History and tradition means little in the modern era and the inevitable decline will be excruciating for a County so use to so much success. I hope you enjoyed the swan song in 2013 as a semi final spot may well become the ceiling in the years to come.
That sounds like you think Tyrone will always be successful. Your 2008 AI winning minors, theres only two in the current senior squad. That's 5 years later. Where is the other 18 to 20 players? Tyrone haven't been as dominant at u-21 level recently. Thats a crucial age, and can be a great springboard for senior success. We all know underage/school success means nothing, if a decent crop of those lads don't come through into the seniors.
So, look at your own county before criticising others. You've no idea what Kerry are doing at underage. Just because they aren't winning much at minor, don't mean they're doing feck all at underage. Look how quickly Clare senior hurling benefited from a few good years at underage level. It can all change so quickly for a county teams fortunes, one way or another.
Benny, Tyrone have managed to appear in a NFL div 1 final and an All-ireland semi final while in transition remains to be seen how successful Kerry will be in maintaining a top 6 billing as the speed of transition speeds up in the coming years.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 02, 2013, 12:24:02 AM
I reckon an equal club scene is good for a county. I'm sure Cross' success has hindered Armaghs chances of success. Cross weren't as dominant from 2000-07, which was Armaghs most dominant period. Coincidence?
no it was just the joe kernan factor lol
Quote from: BennyCake on October 02, 2013, 12:24:02 AM
I reckon an equal club scene is good for a county. I'm sure Cross' success has hindered Armaghs chances of success. Cross weren't as dominant from 2000-07, which was Armaghs most dominant period. Coincidence?
Yeah because in those 8 years Cross only won 8 Armagh Championships, 3 Ulsters and 2 All-Irelands. ::)
armagh won an AI minor title not so long ago think 09, have any of these guys come through to the senior panel?
Quote from: Cold tea on October 02, 2013, 10:49:16 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 02, 2013, 12:24:02 AM
I reckon an equal club scene is good for a county. I'm sure Cross' success has hindered Armaghs chances of success. Cross weren't as dominant from 2000-07, which was Armaghs most dominant period. Coincidence?
Yeah because in those 8 years Cross only won 8 Armagh Championships, 3 Ulsters and 2 All-Irelands. ::)
They won Ulster in 03 I think, meaning that's the only year they would have been involved in the AI club after Christmas. Armaghs last of their 3 Ulsters was 06, just before Cross won their next AI.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 02, 2013, 12:02:37 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on October 02, 2013, 10:49:16 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 02, 2013, 12:24:02 AM
I reckon an equal club scene is good for a county. I'm sure Cross' success has hindered Armaghs chances of success. Cross weren't as dominant from 2000-07, which was Armaghs most dominant period. Coincidence?
Yeah because in those 8 years Cross only won 8 Armagh Championships, 3 Ulsters and 2 All-Irelands. ::)
They won Ulster in 03 I think, meaning that's the only year they would have been involved in the AI club after Christmas. Armaghs last of their 3 Ulsters was 06, just before Cross won their next AI.
At least you are armed with all the facts. ::)
This thread is reminisent of a small child pulling at a parents leg to get attention.
It was 10 years ago......let it go.
Quote from: Bensars on October 02, 2013, 12:22:15 PM
This thread is reminisent of a small child pulling at a parents leg to get attention.
It was 10 years ago......let it go.
It's good fun seeing the OurMa ones getting wound up again with an odd Kerry bitter in as well. ;D
Those Tyrone minors will fade away to nothing or, at best, plug away year after year as Tyrone get dumped out in the qualifiers ..and you know why ? because a negative , cynical philosophy has been drilled into them and they will not be able to adapt to the new, more positive brand of Gaelic football that is emerging.
It was very telling how happy people were to see the Tyrone minors getting beaten by Mayo. There should be a lesson in that for those "coaches" that ply their dark arts in the garvaghey gulag. No doubt they'll have Cavanagh down there giving drills on rugby tackling ::)
For shame Tyrone, for shame.
Quote from: Cold tea on October 02, 2013, 12:13:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 02, 2013, 12:02:37 PM
They won Ulster in 03 I think, meaning that's the only year they would have been involved in the AI club after Christmas. Armaghs last of their 3 Ulsters was 06, just before Cross won their next AI.
At least you are armed with all the facts. ::)
00 Bellaghy
01 Ballinderry
02 Errigal Ciaran
03 Loup
04 Crossmaglen
05 St Galls
06 Crossmaglen
So, since March 2000 (Cross' 3rd title), Cross players were only involved with the club after the New Year, in 2005 (lost AI semi). They weren't involved again until they won the AI in March 07. A few months later Armagh were out in the 1st round qualifiers.
It proves that when Armagh were strong, Cross weren't as successful in the Club series. Yes they won lots of Armagh titles but they were knocked out of Ulster before Christmas, so they were free to train with Armagh come the new year.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 02, 2013, 12:40:30 PM
Those Tyrone minors will fade away to nothing or, at best, plug away year after year as Tyrone get dumped out in the qualifiers ..and you know why ? because a negative , cynical philosophy has been drilled into them and they will not be able to adapt to the new, more positive brand of Gaelic football that is emerging.
It was very telling how happy people were to see the Tyrone minors getting beaten by Mayo. There should be a lesson in that for those "coaches" that ply their dark arts in the garvaghey gulag. No doubt they'll have Cavanagh down there giving drills on rugby tackling ::)
For shame Tyrone, for shame.
I love the image Kerry people have of Tyrone football and what they think goes on at trainings - no wonder their players shit themselves at the sight of the Tyrone shirt. Its also reassuring to see that a new generation of Kerry players have shown that the psychological scars have been passed down to the next generation as they wilted under the Tyrone onslaught in the AI minor quarter final.
Maybe its because they are spooked by their parents. I can just imagine their parents, while they tuck them into bed at night, telling them tales of the big bad Tyrone players and how their use of the dark arts robbed the shiny clean Kerry lads of AI medals in 03, 05 and 08. My advice would be to stop creating the myth around Tyrone, Mikey - you are frightening your youngsters and creating psychological issues that will come back to haunt them and generations of Kerry lads to come.
Top form on this thread, Mike Sheehy.
The Garvaghy Gulag - lovely.
Quote from: Rodman on September 29, 2013, 03:02:37 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 02:48:28 PM
Quote from: Rodman on September 29, 2013, 02:26:37 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 29, 2013, 01:45:17 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2013, 08:09:54 AM
Or you could stick to the facts?
2003 AI Semi Final.Ugliest game of all time.Fact.
2003 AI Final.Injury feigned to get an opposing player sent off at a crucial stage of the game.Fact.
2005.Ulster Final replay,two players sent off.Fact
2005 AI Final.Greatest player of the modern era almost loses an eye due to gouging.Fact
2013 AI quarter final,Monaghan player hauled down enroute to goal,prompting the correct forthright analysis of Tyrone's decade of cynicism and spoiling tactics,permeated right down through all levels of the sport,delivered not be a southern born pundit,but from one born in Derry.
Id like to add...
McMenamin's knees almost decapitate McEntee.
Canavans dive to win penalty v Down 03
Cavanagh taking out McGeeney 05
McGuigan gets Gregory McCartan sent off 03
Also the persistent goading, thumping, slabbering and underhand tactics to opponents by the likes of McMenamin, Gormley, Jordan down the years. And persistent diving by Canavan, Cavanagh, Mulligan etc to win handy frees.
Ive said it before, even though Harte brought Tyrone success, his tactics have really dragged down the game this last decade.
Wow, you really are bitter about Tyrone's success or is it more to do with Armagh's failures after 2002. I'm sure you thought at the end of 2002 that Armagh would go on and dominate but up steps Mickey Harte and Tyrone who go on and become one of the greatest teams ever while Armagh slump back into the wilderness where they belong. Tyrone will win another 5 Sam's before Armagh even get close. I suppose I can see why you are so bitter then.
They are facts. It's nothing to do with bitterness. Speaking of bitter, I sense it in your own post. Maybe it's because we got our hands on Sam before Tyrone did?
Tyrone one of the greatest sides? Well that's only your opinion.
Tyrone will win 5 Sams before we even get close. Great statement. How old are you, twelve?!
I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to put a list together of some Armagh "facts" that would be on par with Tyrone's. Armagh were certainly no angels. Armagh are now about as relevant as the Longfords, Westmeath's and Limerick's of the GAA world while Tyrone will continue to dine at the top table. I guess that what annoys you most but you are going to have to accept it as that my friend is definitely a " fact" .
Eh, Westmeath will be dining at the exact same table as Tyrone next February. You need a bit more work on your facts there Rodney. You plonker.
Now back to the Gulag.
Scraps, Croi, scraps.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 02, 2013, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on October 02, 2013, 12:13:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 02, 2013, 12:02:37 PM
They won Ulster in 03 I think, meaning that's the only year they would have been involved in the AI club after Christmas. Armaghs last of their 3 Ulsters was 06, just before Cross won their next AI.
At least you are armed with all the facts. ::)
00 Bellaghy
01 Ballinderry
02 Errigal Ciaran
03 Loup
04 Crossmaglen
05 St Galls
06 Crossmaglen
So, since March 2000 (Cross' 3rd title), Cross players were only involved with the club after the New Year, in 2005 (lost AI semi). They weren't involved again until they won the AI in March 07. A few months later Armagh were out in the 1st round qualifiers.
It proves that when Armagh were strong, Cross weren't as successful in the Club series. Yes they won lots of Armagh titles but they were knocked out of Ulster before Christmas, so they were free to train with Armagh come the new year.
You missed the fact that Cross won the all Ireland club in 2000 and won the 07 ulste club.
Quote from: sensethetone on October 02, 2013, 11:53:33 AM
armagh won an AI minor title not so long ago think 09, have any of these guys come through to the senior panel?
Off the top of my head. In the last championship match this year.
Morgan - injury permitting he will be a really top player
McVerry
Both played. Carragher, McKenna and McParland were also on panel but headed to states. Grugan and Donnelly were also on panel. The best forward of the lot, Tasker, has not been on panel for a number of reasons. All things remaining equal he will be there next year.
QuoteIt proves that when Armagh were strong, Cross weren't as successful in the Club series.
Are you sure you have cause and effect in the right order here? It is a bit like saying that it when it is wet that it rains.
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 02, 2013, 01:57:03 PM
I love the image Kerry people have of Tyrone football and what they think goes on at trainings - no wonder their players shit themselves at the sight of the Tyrone shirt. Its also reassuring to see that a new generation of Kerry players have shown that the psychological scars have been passed down to the next generation as they wilted under the Tyrone onslaught in the AI minor quarter final.
Maybe its because they are spooked by their parents. I can just imagine their parents, while they tuck them into bed at night, telling them tales of the big bad Tyrone players and how their use of the dark arts robbed the shiny clean Kerry lads of AI medals in 03, 05 and 08. My advice would be to stop creating the myth around Tyrone, Mikey - you are frightening your youngsters and creating psychological issues that will come back to haunt them and generations of Kerry lads to come.
Great way to describe a 2 point win, AET!
Tyrone beat Kerry 3 times. 3 times. 3 games. It wasn't as if Tyrone continually wiped the floor with Kerry for 10 years in a row. You're getting a bit up yourself. Kerry came to Omagh this year, and played some fantastic stuff, by all accounts. Don't forget that.
Tyrone won't always have a team capable of matching Kerry. There will come a time when those 3 wins will be a distant memory. You would think it was Tyrone who had won those 36 All Ireland's, by the way you go on.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 02, 2013, 08:26:57 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 02, 2013, 01:57:03 PM
I love the image Kerry people have of Tyrone football and what they think goes on at trainings - no wonder their players shit themselves at the sight of the Tyrone shirt. Its also reassuring to see that a new generation of Kerry players have shown that the psychological scars have been passed down to the next generation as they wilted under the Tyrone onslaught in the AI minor quarter final.
Maybe its because they are spooked by their parents. I can just imagine their parents, while they tuck them into bed at night, telling them tales of the big bad Tyrone players and how their use of the dark arts robbed the shiny clean Kerry lads of AI medals in 03, 05 and 08. My advice would be to stop creating the myth around Tyrone, Mikey - you are frightening your youngsters and creating psychological issues that will come back to haunt them and generations of Kerry lads to come.
Great way to describe a 2 point win, AET!
Tyrone beat Kerry 3 times. 3 times. 3 games. It wasn't as if Tyrone continually wiped the floor with Kerry for 10 years in a row. You're getting a bit up yourself. Kerry came to Omagh this year, and played some fantastic stuff, by all accounts. Don't forget that.
Tyrone won't always have a team capable of matching Kerry. There will come a time when those 3 wins will be a distant memory. You would think it was Tyrone who had won those 36 All Ireland's, by the way you go on.
but when tyrone beat kerry in the championship they went on to win all irelands-just like armagh i suppose. when tyrone beat kerry nobody in tyrone felt it was a fluke because kerry were well beatin, maybe thats why tyrone get cocky about it.
Kerry finished Tyrone in Killarney just like we hammered them in '86 in the biggest choke in AI history. Up by 7 and lost by 8. Tyrone really shit the pants that day. I was there to see it and , oh how we laughed.
Tyrone are incapable of producing players of the calibre of Spillane, Jacko, Dara O'Se, Colm Cooper so it is understandable, I suppose, why their first priority is to produce robots whose job is to play to a system and stop the other team.
Will Tyrone ever produce players with the skills that Kerry players have ? I don't think they will. They just don't have it in them.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 02, 2013, 10:38:02 PM
Kerry finished Tyrone in Killarney just like we hammered them in '86 in the biggest choke in AI history. Up by 7 and lost by 8. Tyrone really shit the pants that day. I was there to see it and , oh how we laughed.
Tyrone are incapable of producing players of the calibre of Spillane, Jacko, Dara O'Se, Colm Cooper so it is understandable, I suppose, why their first priority is to produce robots whose job is to play to a system and stop the other team.
Will Tyrone ever produce players with the skills that Kerry players have ? I don't think they will. They just don't have it in them.
I am afraid Kerry themselves shit themselves in 03,05&08 ;) Tyrone never feared Kerry and that annoys Kerry people. Pat Spillane is their biggest critic,Tyrone played super football in 2005 & 2008 but never got the credit as people rather question their negative tactics.I remember Tadgh Kenneally taking Nicholas Murphy out of game in 2009 final but we never hear anything about that?
Tyrone have produced classy players in Brian McGuigan,Sean Cavanagh,Peter Canavan,Philip Jordan,Stephen O'Neill and Owen Mulligan over the years and will be remembered as great footballers
when was the last time Kerry beat a Ulster team in All Ireland final? they werent good enough to beat Armagh & Tyrone in their prime
How great it is to see Sheehy relentlessly unloading his bile on the board, since it only points up how embittered he still is over his mighty Kerry at their best having thrice tried and thrice failed to beat Tyrone at their best in the 00s! :D
Ooh how it hurts, how it burns, still! ;D
True, Kerry were consistently at their best more than Tyrone were throughout the 00s (though it still wasn't good enough to beat Tyrone at their best), though they mightn't have had it so had they Ulster to negotiate instead of the Munster cakewalk.
And just as gratifying to see that his claque is here to encourage him:
Quote from: Hardy on October 02, 2013, 02:10:23 PM
Top form on this thread, Mike Sheehy.
The Garvaghy Gulag - lovely.
Keep it up, it's great gas! :D
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 11:10:30 PM
Quote from: Rodman on October 01, 2013, 10:46:01 PM
Absolutely nothing coming through - do they have underage teams in Kerry?
Yes, we have underage teams in Kerry. Honourable young lads who don't cheat.
Some things are more important than winning.
what about the verbal abuse some of your top players hand out to referees in every game,not good example to the young lads ???
Donaghy & Gouch worse culprits
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 02, 2013, 10:38:02 PM
Kerry finished Tyrone in Killarney just like we hammered them in '86 in the biggest choke in AI history. Up by 7 and lost by 8. Tyrone really shit the pants that day. I was there to see it and , oh how we laughed.
Tyrone are incapable of producing players of the calibre of Spillane, Jacko, Dara O'Se, Colm Cooper so it is understandable, I suppose, why their first priority is to produce robots whose job is to play to a system and stop the other team.
Will Tyrone ever produce players with the skills that Kerry players have ? I don't think they will. They just don't have it in them.
There are some teams in the country when Tyrone are drawn against that you can have niggling doubts about playing but there are also teams you love to play because you know that the sh1t themselves when they face the red hand. The two counties who appear to have this severe incontinence attacks are Fermanagh and Kerry. I find this hilarious when thon clown Shiity posts.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 02, 2013, 11:16:06 PM
True, Kerry were consistently at their best more than Tyrone were throughout the 00s (though it still wasn't good enough to beat Tyrone at their best), though they mightn't have had it so had they Ulster to negotiate instead of the Munster cakewalk.
There you go again. Verbosity on steroids !
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 02, 2013, 11:30:26 PM
I find this hilarious when thon clown Shiity posts.
wtf language are you trying to speak ? Is that Ulster Scots...what lodge are you with ?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2013, 12:09:18 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 02, 2013, 11:16:06 PM
True, Kerry were consistently at their best more than Tyrone were throughout the 00s (though it still wasn't good enough to beat Tyrone at their best), though they mightn't have had it so had they Ulster to negotiate instead of the Munster cakewalk.
There you go again. Verbosity on steroids !
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 02, 2013, 11:30:26 PM
I find this hilarious when thon clown Shiity posts.
wtf language are you trying to speak ? Is that Ulster Scots...what lodge are you with ?
You would know about as much about the Orange Order as you seem to know about football.
You arrogant Clown
As per usual, a decent thread descending to hogan stand calibre comments! Read every comment on here, and of course, the usual dribble of shite from Sheehy, and a few others. But, Bennycake, your disdain for your neighbors is unbelievable tbh. It's actually hatred if I was telling it straight. Nothing wrong with a bit of wumming and banter. It ain't only on this thread either, wise up FFS ::)
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 02, 2013, 11:30:26 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 02, 2013, 10:38:02 PM
Kerry finished Tyrone in Killarney just like we hammered them in '86 in the biggest choke in AI history. Up by 7 and lost by 8. Tyrone really shit the pants that day. I was there to see it and , oh how we laughed.
Tyrone are incapable of producing players of the calibre of Spillane, Jacko, Dara O'Se, Colm Cooper so it is understandable, I suppose, why their first priority is to produce robots whose job is to play to a system and stop the other team.
Will Tyrone ever produce players with the skills that Kerry players have ? I don't think they will. They just don't have it in them.
There are some teams in the country when Tyrone are drawn against that you can have niggling doubts about playing but there are also teams you love to play because you know that the sh1t themselves when they face the red hand. The two counties who appear to have this severe incontinence attacks are Fermanagh and Kerry. I find this hilarious when thon clown Shiity posts.
fermanagh and kerry in the one sentence write that down. tyrone were beating by a better team and well beaten surely in 86, but kerry do not like getting beat by tyrone-probablt hate it more than any other county and at any level
Quote from: sensethetone on October 03, 2013, 09:22:04 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 02, 2013, 11:30:26 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 02, 2013, 10:38:02 PM
Kerry finished Tyrone in Killarney just like we hammered them in '86 in the biggest choke in AI history. Up by 7 and lost by 8. Tyrone really shit the pants that day. I was there to see it and , oh how we laughed.
Tyrone are incapable of producing players of the calibre of Spillane, Jacko, Dara O'Se, Colm Cooper so it is understandable, I suppose, why their first priority is to produce robots whose job is to play to a system and stop the other team.
Will Tyrone ever produce players with the skills that Kerry players have ? I don't think they will. They just don't have it in them.
There are some teams in the country when Tyrone are drawn against that you can have niggling doubts about playing but there are also teams you love to play because you know that the sh1t themselves when they face the red hand. The two counties who appear to have this severe incontinence attacks are Fermanagh and Kerry. I find this hilarious when thon clown Shiity posts.
fermanagh and kerry in the one sentence write that down. tyrone were beating by a better team and well beaten surely in 86, but kerry do not like getting beat by tyrone-probablt hate it more than any other county and at any level
Tyrone were well beaten in 86 by the better side and have no problem putting their hands up to it. 03/05/08 a great Kerry side were well beaten by an even greater Tyrone side but some of their supporters still appear to be incapable of getting their heads around the fact that the second most successful side in their History played second fiddle to the Tyrone side of that era. From 03 onwards Tyrone teams have had the upper hand on Kerry sides (Senior/Minor and Club) with one notable exception being last year in Killarney. The tears and celebrations which followed the Killarney win showed just how far under the Kerry skin Tyrone had actually got.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 03, 2013, 10:55:22 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on October 03, 2013, 09:22:04 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 02, 2013, 11:30:26 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 02, 2013, 10:38:02 PM
Kerry finished Tyrone in Killarney just like we hammered them in '86 in the biggest choke in AI history. Up by 7 and lost by 8. Tyrone really shit the pants that day. I was there to see it and , oh how we laughed.
Tyrone are incapable of producing players of the calibre of Spillane, Jacko, Dara O'Se, Colm Cooper so it is understandable, I suppose, why their first priority is to produce robots whose job is to play to a system and stop the other team.
Will Tyrone ever produce players with the skills that Kerry players have ? I don't think they will. They just don't have it in them.
There are some teams in the country when Tyrone are drawn against that you can have niggling doubts about playing but there are also teams you love to play because you know that the sh1t themselves when they face the red hand. The two counties who appear to have this severe incontinence attacks are Fermanagh and Kerry. I find this hilarious when thon clown Shiity posts.
fermanagh and kerry in the one sentence write that down. tyrone were beating by a better team and well beaten surely in 86, but kerry do not like getting beat by tyrone-probablt hate it more than any other county and at any level
Tyrone were well beaten in 86 by the better side and have no problem putting their hands up to it. 03/05/08 a great Kerry side were well beaten by an even greater Tyrone side but some of their supporters still appear to be incapable of getting their heads around the fact that the second most successful side in their History played second fiddle to the Tyrone side of that era. From 03 onwards Tyrone teams have had the upper hand on Kerry sides (Senior/Minor and Club) with one notable exception being last year in Killarney. The tears and celebrations which followed the Killarney win showed just how far under the Kerry skin Tyrone had actually got.
think harte had it in his book that beating kerry in 97 minor semi brought on tyrone belief that they could be a top team.
anyhow will tyrone and armagh meet in the first round of the championship next year or will they plant us againist donegal again?
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 03, 2013, 03:45:55 AM
As per usual, a decent thread descending to hogan stand calibre comments! Read every comment on here, and of course, the usual dribble of shite from Sheehy, and a few others. But, Bennycake, your disdain for your neighbors is unbelievable tbh. It's actually hatred if I was telling it straight. Nothing wrong with a bit of wumming and banter. It ain't only on this thread either, wise up FFS ::)
Thats just your opinion, dude. If my posts were really that bad, none were deleted yet. Maybe it's just the truth you can't handle.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2013, 11:57:28 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 03, 2013, 03:45:55 AM
As per usual, a decent thread descending to hogan stand calibre comments! Read every comment on here, and of course, the usual dribble of shite from Sheehy, and a few others. But, Bennycake, your disdain for your neighbors is unbelievable tbh. It's actually hatred if I was telling it straight. Nothing wrong with a bit of wumming and banter. It ain't only on this thread either, wise up FFS ::)
Thats just your opinion, dude. If my posts were really that bad, none were deleted yet. Maybe it's just the truth you can't handle.
The truth being that over the years when Armagh thought they should be adding to their 1 All Ireland title they just could not beat Tyrone when it really mattered. Armagh would of had at least 2 more titles only for those pesky Tyrone bullies.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 03, 2013, 12:34:02 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2013, 12:09:18 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 02, 2013, 11:16:06 PM
True, Kerry were consistently at their best more than Tyrone were throughout the 00s (though it still wasn't good enough to beat Tyrone at their best), though they mightn't have had it so had they Ulster to negotiate instead of the Munster cakewalk.
There you go again. Verbosity on steroids !
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 02, 2013, 11:30:26 PM
I find this hilarious when thon clown Shiity posts.
wtf language are you trying to speak ? Is that Ulster Scots...what lodge are you with ?
You would know about as much about the Orange Order as you seem to know about football.
You arrogant Clown
You are one of those fat lads that bang the drum aren't you ? You just have that gobshite way about you.
Well done ONeill, you stirred everyone up again. ;)
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Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 02, 2013, 10:38:02 PM
Kerry finished Tyrone in Killarney just like we hammered them in '86
Any results of note in Kerry Vs Tyrone games in the inbetween years there Mike?!
Reminds me of this :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA5Y6QGRFJ4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA5Y6QGRFJ4)
This thread makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. A platform for both Mike Sheehy and the entirety of Armagh posters to repeatedly go out of their way to show us Tyrone folk just how much our successes got under their skins. Ahhhhh... ;D
A 'hot whiskey' thread Nally ;D
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2013, 02:03:43 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 03, 2013, 12:34:02 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2013, 12:09:18 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 02, 2013, 11:16:06 PM
True, Kerry were consistently at their best more than Tyrone were throughout the 00s (though it still wasn't good enough to beat Tyrone at their best), though they mightn't have had it so had they Ulster to negotiate instead of the Munster cakewalk.
There you go again. Verbosity on steroids !
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 02, 2013, 11:30:26 PM
I find this hilarious when thon clown Shiity posts.
wtf language are you trying to speak ? Is that Ulster Scots...what lodge are you with ?
You would know about as much about the Orange Order as you seem to know about football.
You arrogant Clown
You are one of those fat lads that bang the drum aren't you ? You just have that gobshite way about you.
With the annoucement today of Tomas O Se's (35) retirement and the likelyhood of more to follow. Kerry have an enormous task over the next year or two to replace players of the calibre of Marc O Se (33), Galvin (33), O'Mahony(33), Brosnan (33) Declan O'Sullivan (30), Cooper (30) . I expect to see plenty of bluff and blunder from Mikey
Shiity Sheehy as the decline continues.
Why don't you come up to one of our cultural days out and I'll play you a tune. Would 'Yesterday' by the Beatles be appropriate for you?
Quote from: EC Unique on October 03, 2013, 03:10:24 PM
A 'hot whiskey' thread Nally ;D
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Quote from: ONeill on October 02, 2013, 06:03:11 PM
Scraps, Croi, scraps.
Ye have plenty of experience at them alright.
Quote from: Nally Stand on October 03, 2013, 03:14:22 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on October 03, 2013, 03:10:24 PM
A 'hot whiskey' thread Nally ;D
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That's a future picture of Philip Jordan on the 70th anniversary of the 2003 final.
Quote from: ziggysego on October 03, 2013, 02:16:14 PM
Well done ONeill, you stirred everyone up again. ;)
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I find that strangely addictive.
Is it 10 years ago today as well?
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 03, 2013, 03:13:32 PM
With the annoucement today of Tomas O Se's (35) retirement and the likelyhood of more to follow. Kerry have an enormous task over the next year or two to replace players of the calibre of Marc O Se (33), Galvin (33), O'Mahony(33), Brosnan (33) Declan O'Sullivan (30), Cooper (30) . I expect to see plenty of bluff and blunder from Mikey Shiity Sheehy as the decline continues.
Why don't you come up to one of our cultural days out and I'll play you a tune. Would 'Yesterday' by the Beatles be appropriate for you?
They said we'd never replace Jacko and Darragh O'Se came along
They said we'd never replace Mikey Sheehy and Maurice fitz came along
They said we'd never replace Maurice fitz and gooch came along.
Maybe James O'Donoghue will be the next gooch..who knows.
That's the difference between Tyrone and Kerry. We give these players the freedom to express themselves and that's why we have such a mixture of different types of players. You just produce robots that conform to a system. That is why you were a flash in the pan. Systems will always be combatted eventually..which is why you got wiped away in Killarney and its why Donegal got mullered by Mayo.
Getting back to those weird Armagh jerseys with the strange dwarf/hobbit-like sleeves I know the fella who was commissioned by the county board to design them. He's a Lurgan Sarsfields man and his brother played for Armagh back in the 90's.
Anyway he had recently qualified in design, not clothing design, just design moreso associated with toys, and household stuff like you see in IKEA etc) but did a commendable job and the co board sorted him and he passed across the disks. Anyway the software he used wasn't the same as O'Neills used so they had to covert the images and it didn't quite transpose as is should hence the sleeves like a pair of 3/4 length trousers!
Now ye all know, but the Sarsfields men probably knew this anyway, as he still has a good laugh about it!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 03, 2013, 10:48:34 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 03, 2013, 03:13:32 PM
With the annoucement today of Tomas O Se's (35) retirement and the likelyhood of more to follow. Kerry have an enormous task over the next year or two to replace players of the calibre of Marc O Se (33), Galvin (33), O'Mahony(33), Brosnan (33) Declan O'Sullivan (30), Cooper (30) . I expect to see plenty of bluff and blunder from Mikey Shiity Sheehy as the decline continues.
Why don't you come up to one of our cultural days out and I'll play you a tune. Would 'Yesterday' by the Beatles be appropriate for you?
They said we'd never replace Jacko and Darragh O'Se came along
They said we'd never replace Mikey Sheehy and Maurice fitz came along
They said we'd never replace Maurice fitz and gooch came along.
Maybe James O'Donoghue will be the next gooch..who knows.
That's the difference between Tyrone and Kerry. We give these players the freedom to express themselves and that's why we have such a mixture of different types of players. You just produce robots that conform to a system. That is why you were a flash in the pan. Systems will always be combatted eventually..which is why you got wiped away in Killarney and its why Donegal got mullered by Mayo.
Here is the problem for you, the last time Kerry had to replace All-Ireland winners on this scale was post 1986 and it took them 11 years to win another All-Ireland 1997 and that was in the pre-modern era .The issue for Kerry now is that it's not one or two great players need replacing its 6-8 over the next couple of years. Take into account the lack of underage success over a ten year period and the level to which counties prepare and develop their youth, the barren years could be extremely prolonged. History and tradition is no longer enough you have to have the material which Kerry don't have.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 03, 2013, 11:15:51 PM
Here is the problem for you, the last time Kerry had to replace All-Ireland winners on this scale was post 1986 and it took them 11 years to win another All-Ireland 1997 and that was in the pre-modern era .The issue for Kerry now is that it's not one or two great players need replacing its 6-8 over the next couple of years. Take into account the lack of underage success over a ten year period and the level to which counties prepare and develop their youth, the barren years could be extremely prolonged. History and tradition is no longer enough you have to have the material which Kerry don't have.
Underage success doesn't guarantee senior success. Donegal minors teams only won an Ulster in 06. They weren't even in any other final that I can remember, yet Donegal won Sam last year. Minor/U-21 successes can help, but it's not vital, as long as the good young players are coming through. Tyrone won AI minors in 08/10. It means nothing. It won't guarantee that Tyrone will win another senior title. You're talking like you just have to wait a couple of years, and Tyrone will have another AI, because of those minor teams.
You say Kerry have to replace 6-8 players over the next couple of years. That's true, but so do Tyrone. O'Neill, Cavanagh, Gormley, McMahon, McConnell are nearing retirement. Important players, experienced players. Cavanagh carried Tyrone to an AI semi. Tyrone will miss him more than Kerry will miss Tomas O'Se (as great a player as he was).
Quote from: BennyCake on October 03, 2013, 11:44:30 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 03, 2013, 11:15:51 PM
Here is the problem for you, the last time Kerry had to replace All-Ireland winners on this scale was post 1986 and it took them 11 years to win another All-Ireland 1997 and that was in the pre-modern era .The issue for Kerry now is that it's not one or two great players need replacing its 6-8 over the next couple of years. Take into account the lack of underage success over a ten year period and the level to which counties prepare and develop their youth, the barren years could be extremely prolonged. History and tradition is no longer enough you have to have the material which Kerry don't have.
Underage success doesn't guarantee senior success. Donegal minors teams only won an Ulster in 06. They weren't even in any other final that I can remember, yet Donegal won Sam last year. Minor/U-21 successes can help, but it's not vital, as long as the good young players are coming through. Tyrone won AI minors in 08/10. It means nothing. It won't guarantee that Tyrone will win another senior title. You're talking like you just have to wait a couple of years, and Tyrone will have another AI, because of those minor teams.
You say Kerry have to replace 6-8 players over the next couple of years. That's true, but so do Tyrone. O'Neill, Cavanagh, Gormley, McMahon, McConnell are nearing retirement. Important players, experienced players. Cavanagh carried Tyrone to an AI semi. Tyrone will miss him more than Kerry will miss Tomas O'Se (as great a player as he was).
Bennyi think your seeing what you want to see from my posts. You keep on making out that I am arguing that Tyrones underage success guarantees senior success. I am not of course it doesn't guarantee it but if you don't have the materials to start off with then the possibility of future success is extremely limited. Tyrone are in a much better position to capitalise on it's potential than Kerry simply because it has proven potentials where Kerry don't. Tyrone have managed to keep themselves competative while replacing a 3 times All-Ireland winning team do you think that has been done without converting it's potential? Or perhaps it's by accident or luck. We have seen Armagh fall away in recent years and I would argue they had a greater opportunity at staying competative than Kerry currently do. In the past Kerry had the ability to bounce back relatively quickly but that was prior to modern methods such as development squads etc Kerry I am sure haven't stood still either but are not showing much in the way of results for their efforts. Do you think there is something special in the water down there which suddenly turns average to poor players at 21 to become all conquering heros at 22 or is it some sort of collective late footballing pubirty.
Quote from: ONeill on October 03, 2013, 08:53:06 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on October 03, 2013, 02:16:14 PM
Well done ONeill, you stirred everyone up again. ;)
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I find that strangely addictive.
Its called the clap.
You will be glad to hear it is curable.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 04, 2013, 01:14:52 AM
Bennyi think your seeing what you want to see from my posts. You keep on making out that I am arguing that Tyrones underage success guarantees senior success. I am not of course it doesn't guarantee it but if you don't have the materials to start off with then the possibility of future success is extremely limited. Tyrone are in a much better position to capitalise on it's potential than Kerry simply because it has proven potentials where Kerry don't. Tyrone have managed to keep themselves competative while replacing a 3 times All-Ireland winning team do you think that has been done without converting it's potential? Or perhaps it's by accident or luck. We have seen Armagh fall away in recent years and I would argue they had a greater opportunity at staying competative than Kerry currently do. In the past Kerry had the ability to bounce back relatively quickly but that was prior to modern methods such as development squads etc Kerry I am sure haven't stood still either but are not showing much in the way of results for their efforts. Do you think there is something special in the water down there which suddenly turns average to poor players at 21 to become all conquering heros at 22 or is it some sort of collective late footballing pubirty.
I understand the reasons for dev squads. I don't know what Kerry are doing in that regard, but they are still producing talented players, if not great minor teams. James O'Donoghue did well this year, as did Donnacdh Walsh, and those few young lads in defence. Their names escape me now.
I honestly think these dev squads, while useful in ways, are removing the creative players from the game. Lads are being coached to death, tactics, blanket defences, keeping the ball, no risk strategy etc. I honestly think lads are being brought up with that mentality, where creativity isn't wanted. A player a la Maurice Fitzgerald that can produce amazing bits of skill. But the game isn't for the Maurice Fitzgerald's any more, as they at more of a liability in today's team, as the team from 1-15 are instructed to play a certain way. But had Mayo had a player with an ounce of creativity, they'd be AI champions.
Teams are really becoming robotic, non-imaginative drones, and the game is worse for it. How many players would've threaded that pass Cooper did v Dublin? Being able to think on your feet. Maybe that how Kerry are doing it with their squads. Dublin win the AI playing attacking football, so if a team have the right players, maybe they feel they can win that way too.
In the modem game I don't think Derry would have won an all Ireland. Brolly wouldn't have got a ball
Quote from: BennyCake on October 04, 2013, 02:16:23 AM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 04, 2013, 01:14:52 AM
Bennyi think your seeing what you want to see from my posts. You keep on making out that I am arguing that Tyrones underage success guarantees senior success. I am not of course it doesn't guarantee it but if you don't have the materials to start off with then the possibility of future success is extremely limited. Tyrone are in a much better position to capitalise on it's potential than Kerry simply because it has proven potentials where Kerry don't. Tyrone have managed to keep themselves competative while replacing a 3 times All-Ireland winning team do you think that has been done without converting it's potential? Or perhaps it's by accident or luck. We have seen Armagh fall away in recent years and I would argue they had a greater opportunity at staying competative than Kerry currently do. In the past Kerry had the ability to bounce back relatively quickly but that was prior to modern methods such as development squads etc Kerry I am sure haven't stood still either but are not showing much in the way of results for their efforts. Do you think there is something special in the water down there which suddenly turns average to poor players at 21 to become all conquering heros at 22 or is it some sort of collective late footballing pubirty.
I understand the reasons for dev squads. I don't know what Kerry are doing in that regard, but they are still producing talented players, if not great minor teams. James O'Donoghue did well this year, as did Donnacdh Walsh, and those few young lads in defence. Their names escape me now.
I honestly think these dev squads, while useful in ways, are removing the creative players from the game. Lads are being coached to death, tactics, blanket defences, keeping the ball, no risk strategy etc. I honestly think lads are being brought up with that mentality, where creativity isn't wanted. A player a la Maurice Fitzgerald that can produce amazing bits of skill. But the game isn't for the Maurice Fitzgerald's any more, as they at more of a liability in today's team, as the team from 1-15 are instructed to play a certain way. But had Mayo had a player with an ounce of creativity, they'd be AI champions.
Teams are really becoming robotic, non-imaginative drones, and the game is worse for it. How many players would've threaded that pass Cooper did v Dublin? Being able to think on your feet. Maybe that how Kerry are doing it with their squads. Dublin win the AI playing attacking football, so if a team have the right players, maybe they feel they can win that way too.
Donnacha Walsh is near 30. Kerry are going to face another few years in the wilderness. The like of Tipperary will get a win over them in Munster at some stage in the next 5 years too. Not enough talent coming through as the point has been made.
Quote from: rrhf on October 04, 2013, 07:29:18 AM
In the modem game I don't think Derry would have won an all Ireland. Brolly wouldn't have got a ball
v Down - Brolly didn't score
v Monaghan - Brolly scored 3pts
v Donegal - Brolly didn't score
v Dublin - Brolly scored 1pt
v Cork - Brolly scored 1pt
Brolly was only a small cog in the scoring charts that year. He only started two games. Our half back line were probably more potent than the full forward line from play.
Quote from: Estimator on October 04, 2013, 08:52:22 AM
Quote from: rrhf on October 04, 2013, 07:29:18 AM
In the modem game I don't think Derry would have won an all Ireland. Brolly wouldn't have got a ball
v Down - Brolly didn't score
v Monaghan - Brolly scored 3pts
v Donegal - Brolly didn't score
v Dublin - Brolly scored 1pt
v Cork - Brolly scored 1pt
Brolly was only a small cog in the scoring charts that year. He only started two games. Our half back line were probably more potent than the full forward line from play.
derry did hane e gormley, s downey, d barton tohill etc some spread of scores ok. read in irish new s that brolly didnt start blowing kisses until after the 93 AI. imo he can't have had many chances to kiss to the crowd-he was handy but did he really score freely in every game in the championship when you think that derry went out after 1 game in 94, two games 95, 2 games 96, 3 games 97, 4 games 98, 2 games 99, 3 games 00 was he even about by 01?
Quote from: sensethetone on October 04, 2013, 09:36:01 AM
Quote from: Estimator on October 04, 2013, 08:52:22 AM
Quote from: rrhf on October 04, 2013, 07:29:18 AM
In the modem game I don't think Derry would have won an all Ireland. Brolly wouldn't have got a ball
v Down - Brolly didn't score
v Monaghan - Brolly scored 3pts
v Donegal - Brolly didn't score
v Dublin - Brolly scored 1pt
v Cork - Brolly scored 1pt
Brolly was only a small cog in the scoring charts that year. He only started two games. Our half back line were probably more potent than the full forward line from play.
derry did hane e gormley, s downey, d barton tohill etc some spread of scores ok. read in irish new s that brolly didnt start blowing kisses until after the 93 AI. imo he can't have had many chances to kiss to the crowd-he was handy but did he really score freely in every game in the championship when you think that derry went out after 1 game in 94, two games 95, 2 games 96, 3 games 97, 4 games 98, 2 games 99, 3 games 00 was he even about by 01?
Brolly 01 is my main memory of him.
Quote from: sensethetone on October 04, 2013, 09:36:01 AM
Quote from: Estimator on October 04, 2013, 08:52:22 AM
Quote from: rrhf on October 04, 2013, 07:29:18 AM
In the modem game I don't think Derry would have won an all Ireland. Brolly wouldn't have got a ball
v Down - Brolly didn't score
v Monaghan - Brolly scored 3pts
v Donegal - Brolly didn't score
v Dublin - Brolly scored 1pt
v Cork - Brolly scored 1pt
Brolly was only a small cog in the scoring charts that year. He only started two games. Our half back line were probably more potent than the full forward line from play.
derry did hane e gormley, s downey, d barton tohill etc some spread of scores ok. read in irish new s that brolly didnt start blowing kisses until after the 93 AI. imo he can't have had many chances to kiss to the crowd-he was handy but did he really score freely in every game in the championship when you think that derry went out after 1 game in 94, two games 95, 2 games 96, 3 games 97, 4 games 98, 2 games 99, 3 games 00 was he even about by 01?
The old adage, dont believe everything you read.
He was at it long before 93. Remember vividly him doing it in Ryan Cup game around 90'
Awwwww, where has Sheehy gone with all of his habitual venomous mouthing on this thread? I was SO enjoying that! Awwwww, just not fair :'(
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 04, 2013, 06:13:04 PM
Awwwww, where has Sheehy gone with all of his habitual venomous mouthing on this thread? I was SO enjoying that! Awwwww, just not fair :'(
Will tyrone be looking for a new corner back next year?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 04, 2013, 06:13:04 PM
Awwwww, where has Sheehy gone with all of his habitual venomous mouthing on this thread? I was SO enjoying that! Awwwww, just not fair :'(
Oh look, I have reduced the verbose windbag to babyspeak ::)
...back in your box windy
Mike Sheehy, you don't need me to tell you that beating Tyrone, or anyone else for that matter, in hometown Killarney hardly represents a major upset. When it mattered in headquarters for AISF and AIF, Tyrone handed their arses on a plate to the best your county could offer in a generation. The GAA world knows the order of football in the noughties was 1. Tyrone, 2. Armagh 3. Kerry
Quote from: under the bar on October 05, 2013, 12:26:21 AM
Mike Sheehy, you don't need me to tell you that beating Tyrone, or anyone else for that matter, in hometown Killarney hardly represents a major upset. When it mattered in headquarters for AISF and AIF, Tyrone handed their arses on a plate to the best your county could offer in a generation. The GAA world knows the order of football in the noughties was 1. Tyrone, 2. Armagh 3. Kerry
To be fair I think kerry were at no 2 in the 00's I feel Armagh were a better side than kerry although they did under achieve. The real issue for Kerry is how they will be viewed in the 2010's. 3 years in no titles a team in retirement mode and no quality on the horizon. The 11 years between 86 and 97 looks destined to look like a short wait for them.
Quote from: under the bar on October 05, 2013, 12:26:21 AM
Mike Sheehy, you don't need me to tell you that beating Tyrone, or anyone else for that matter, in hometown Killarney hardly represents a major upset. When it mattered in headquarters for AISF and AIF, Tyrone handed their arses on a plate to the best your county could offer in a generation. The GAA world knows the order of football in the noughties was 1. Tyrone, 2. Armagh 3. Kerry
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Kerry were the team of the 2000's. 5 AI titles, 3 NFL titles and 8 AI final appearances in a decade. Tyrone and Armagh never got close to that.
Yes, they never beat Tyrone, and Munster isn't as tough to get out of as Ulster. Regardless, Kerry were the team of the 2000's.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 04, 2013, 10:43:33 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 04, 2013, 06:13:04 PM
Awwwww, where has Sheehy gone with all of his habitual venomous mouthing on this thread? I was SO enjoying that! Awwwww, just not fair :'(
Oh look, I have reduced the verbose windbag to babyspeak ::)
...back in your box windy
Wow, even more pathetic than your last 'riposte'. Must try harder, really! ;D :D
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2013, 01:16:01 AM
Quote from: under the bar on October 05, 2013, 12:26:21 AM
Mike Sheehy, you don't need me to tell you that beating Tyrone, or anyone else for that matter, in hometown Killarney hardly represents a major upset. When it mattered in headquarters for AISF and AIF, Tyrone handed their arses on a plate to the best your county could offer in a generation. The GAA world knows the order of football in the noughties was 1. Tyrone, 2. Armagh 3. Kerry
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Kerry were the team of the 2000's. 5 AI titles, 3 NFL titles and 8 AI final appearances in a decade. Tyrone and Armagh never got close to that.
Yes, they never beat Tyrone, and Munster isn't as tough to get out of as Ulster. Regardless, Kerry were the team of the 2000's.
If you were from Tipp or Cork I'd say you have a point... now, remind me where you're from again? :P ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 05, 2013, 02:28:37 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2013, 01:16:01 AM
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Kerry were the team of the 2000's. 5 AI titles, 3 NFL titles and 8 AI final appearances in a decade. Tyrone and Armagh never got close to that.
Yes, they never beat Tyrone, and Munster isn't as tough to get out of as Ulster. Regardless, Kerry were the team of the 2000's.
If you were from Tipp or Cork I'd say you have a point... now, remind me where you're from again? :P ;)
What does it matter where I'm from?
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2013, 03:15:26 AM
What does it matter where I'm from?
That's right, so right. Give yourself a BIG PAT ON THE BACK NOW, why don't you!
Bennycake EVERY post you type , has some agenda regarding hating on Tyrone, unfucking believable! As least most of the other gobshites ( mostly MS) are just wumming. You are 100% genuine in your hatred :o
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 05, 2013, 07:40:56 AM
Bennycake EVERY post you type , has some agenda regarding hating on Tyrone, unfucking believable! As least most of the other gobshites ( mostly MS) are just wumming. You are 100% genuine in your hatred :o
True, a bit of winding up is a laugh. But there's something a bit disturbing about Bennycake's responses now. It's amazing how hate filled someone can get over a game of football.
Jesus, you Tyrone folk are paranoid. What was the problem with that post? I merely stated that, the facts speak for themselves, and Kerry were the most successful team of the 2000's. Seriously, if you find issues with that fact, then it's you that has the problem, not me.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 05, 2013, 04:13:46 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2013, 03:15:26 AM
What does it matter where I'm from?
That's right, so right. Give yourself a BIG PAT ON THE BACK NOW, why don't you!
Seriously, what are you on about?
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2013, 01:20:01 PM
Jesus, you Tyrone folk are paranoid. What was the problem with that post? I merely stated that, the facts speak for themselves, and Kerry were the most successful team of the 2000's. Seriously, if you find issues with that fact, then it's you that has the problem, not me.
I have to stick up for Benny here, he is wrong and a little miss guided in relation to how Tyrone and Kerry compare in the 00's but his posts at least contain facts that he can at least base his argument on. On the other hand Mike
Shitity Sheehys tend just to be venomous bile.
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 05, 2013, 07:40:56 AM
Bennycake EVERY post you type , has some agenda regarding hating on Tyrone, unfucking believable! As least most of the other gobshites ( mostly MS) are just wumming. You are 100% genuine in your hatred :o
So, stating facts that Kerry were more successful than Tyrone, that's me hating Tyrone? Do you realise how mad that makes you look?
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 05, 2013, 09:09:20 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 05, 2013, 07:40:56 AM
Bennycake EVERY post you type , has some agenda regarding hating on Tyrone, unfucking believable! As least most of the other gobshites ( mostly MS) are just wumming. You are 100% genuine in your hatred :o
True, a bit of winding up is a laugh. But there's something a bit disturbing about Bennycake's responses now. It's amazing how hate filled someone can get over a game of football.
It sure is.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2013, 01:48:26 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 05, 2013, 07:40:56 AM
Bennycake EVERY post you type , has some agenda regarding hating on Tyrone, unfucking believable! As least most of the other gobshites ( mostly MS) are just wumming. You are 100% genuine in your hatred :o
So, stating facts that Kerry were more successful than Tyrone, that's me hating Tyrone? Do you realise how mad that makes you look?
On the count Kerry where more 'successful' than Tyrone in the 00's. The issue is that Tyrone were a better side than Kerry and the proof of that is simply seen in that during the period in which both teams were at their peak they met in one All -Ireland semi and 2 finals Tyrone succeeded on all occasions. Any one who has played the game will know that getting beat once by a inferior team in a massive game can happen but not 3 on the bounce. The only conclusion you can draw from that is Tyrone were better but Kerry certainly were more consistent.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 05, 2013, 02:10:34 PM
On the count Kerry where more 'successful' than Tyrone in the 00's. The issue is that Tyrone were a better side than Kerry and the proof of that is simply seen in that during the period in which both teams were at their peak they met in one All -Ireland semi and 2 finals Tyrone succeeded on all occasions. Any one who has played the game will know that getting beat once by a inferior team in a massive game can happen but not 3 on the bounce. The only conclusion you can draw from that is Tyrone were better but Kerry certainly were more consistent.
I agree, Tyrone were the better team in the three meetings with Kerry, but my initial post was in reply to the team of the decade that was brought up. And the TOTD was definitely Kerry, in my opinion.
In fact, I would suggest the top teams of the 2000's were Kerry, Tyrone, then Armagh. In fact, you could probably make the argument that Cork should be in there. They didn't win the AI in the 2000's, but they beat Kerry 4 times, reached 4 AI semis, and 2 finals. Although that probably indicates the weakness of the Munster c'ship more than anything else. Even so, they did beat Kerry 4 times. That's one more than Tyrone ;)
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2013, 02:40:08 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 05, 2013, 02:10:34 PM
On the count Kerry where more 'successful' than Tyrone in the 00's. The issue is that Tyrone were a better side than Kerry and the proof of that is simply seen in that during the period in which both teams were at their peak they met in one All -Ireland semi and 2 finals Tyrone succeeded on all occasions. Any one who has played the game will know that getting beat once by a inferior team in a massive game can happen but not 3 on the bounce. The only conclusion you can draw from that is Tyrone were better but Kerry certainly were more consistent.
I agree, Tyrone were the better team in the three meetings with Kerry, but my initial post was in reply to the team of the decade that was brought up. And the TOTD was definitely Kerry, in my opinion.
In fact, I would suggest the top teams of the 2000's were Kerry, Tyrone, then Armagh. In fact, you could probably make the argument that Cork should be in there. They didn't win the AI in the 2000's, but they beat Kerry 4 times, reached 4 AI semis, and 2 finals. Although that probably indicates the weakness of the Munster c'ship more than anything else. Even so, they did beat Kerry 4 times. That's one more than Tyrone ;)
That will do me. Just proves my point Benny is more rational than the Clown Sheehy. Benny I think you will be off Mikes Christmas list.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 05, 2013, 02:52:56 PM
That will do me. Just proves my point Benny is more rational than the Clown Sheehy. Benny I think you will be off Mikes Christmas list.
For stating a fact? Although, alot of folk seem to get upset over me stating facts on here, I noticed ;)
But, as long as I'm not off your list, Bill ;D
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2013, 03:05:16 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 05, 2013, 02:52:56 PM
That will do me. Just proves my point Benny is more rational than the Clown Sheehy. Benny I think you will be off Mikes Christmas list.
For stating a fact? Although, alot of folk seem to get upset over me stating facts on here, I noticed ;)
But, as long as I'm not off your list, Bill ;D
Ha ha! Facts! You never seem to acknowledge the FACT that Tyrone beat Armagh and Kerry in every big game from 2003 to 2010 - bar the 2005 Ulster Final (which saw shambolic reffing) and that defeat was avenged. I can imagine how that would make you and Mikey bitter but most people can accept these defeats 10 or so years later.
BennyHarp, I didnt forget nothing. I have stated that Tyrone deserved to beat Kerry those 3 times. And did I deny that Tyrone beat us in 03 and 05? No, I didn't.
And you conveniently don't include the 2005 Ulster final, as it doesn't fit in with your point. We also beat you in 2002, don't forget ;)
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2013, 03:56:51 PM
BennyHarp, I didnt forget nothing. I have stated that Tyrone deserved to beat Kerry those 3 times. And did I deny that Tyrone beat us in 03 and 05? No, I didn't.
And you conveniently don't include the 2005 Ulster final, as it doesn't fit in with your point. We also beat you in 2002, don't forget ;)
I discount the 2005 Ulster Final because the fact that two of the eras greatest forwards where ridiculously sent off in a game Tyrone wouldn't have lost had they stayed on the pitch. That loss was righted in The AI semi final when it really mattered.
Yes, you did beat us 2002, so did Sligo, I've accepted those defeats, I acknowledge the best teams won on those occasions and got on with my life. :D
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 05, 2013, 04:06:33 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2013, 03:56:51 PM
BennyHarp, I didnt forget nothing. I have stated that Tyrone deserved to beat Kerry those 3 times. And did I deny that Tyrone beat us in 03 and 05? No, I didn't.
And you conveniently don't include the 2005 Ulster final, as it doesn't fit in with your point. We also beat you in 2002, don't forget ;)
I discount the 2005 Ulster Final because the fact that two of the eras greatest forwards where ridiculously sent off in a game Tyrone wouldn't have lost had they stayed on the pitch. That loss was righted in The AI semi final when it really mattered.
Yes, you did, so did Sligo, I've accepted those defeats, I acknowledge the best teams won on those occasions and got on with my life. :D
You obviously haven't got over the 2005 Ulster final defeat ;)
Diarmuid Marsden's wrongful sending was far more crucial than the 05 red cards. And maybe like Tyrone in 05, Armagh too might have won that match. Tyrone lived to fight another day (in 05), Armagh's loss that day was far greater than just losing an Ulster final.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2013, 04:19:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 05, 2013, 04:06:33 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2013, 03:56:51 PM
BennyHarp, I didnt forget nothing. I have stated that Tyrone deserved to beat Kerry those 3 times. And did I deny that Tyrone beat us in 03 and 05? No, I didn't.
And you conveniently don't include the 2005 Ulster final, as it doesn't fit in with your point. We also beat you in 2002, don't forget ;)
I discount the 2005 Ulster Final because the fact that two of the eras greatest forwards where ridiculously sent off in a game Tyrone wouldn't have lost had they stayed on the pitch. That loss was righted in The AI semi final when it really mattered.
Yes, you did, so did Sligo, I've accepted those defeats, I acknowledge the best teams won on those occasions and got on with my life. :D
You obviously haven't got over the 2005 Ulster final defeat ;)
Diarmuid Marsden's wrongful sending was far more crucial than the 05 red cards. And maybe like Tyrone in 05, Armagh too might have won that match. Tyrone lived to fight another day (in 05), Armagh's loss that day was far greater than just losing an Ulster final.
I can honestly say that I got over that Ulster final defeat the moment Peter pointed that free in the semi final. I suppose you have never had the closure that we have had.
By the way, I'd say, as good as Marsden was, he would hardly have the same influence on a game as BOTH Peter Canavan and Stevie O'Neill. Of course the AI semi defeat was of greater consequence, that's the point, you will obviously understand now why I discounted the ulster final as the better teams win when there is no second chances. ;)
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 05, 2013, 04:39:30 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2013, 04:19:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 05, 2013, 04:06:33 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 05, 2013, 03:56:51 PM
BennyHarp, I didnt forget nothing. I have stated that Tyrone deserved to beat Kerry those 3 times. And did I deny that Tyrone beat us in 03 and 05? No, I didn't.
And you conveniently don't include the 2005 Ulster final, as it doesn't fit in with your point. We also beat you in 2002, don't forget ;)
I discount the 2005 Ulster Final because the fact that two of the eras greatest forwards where ridiculously sent off in a game Tyrone wouldn't have lost had they stayed on the pitch. That loss was righted in The AI semi final when it really mattered.
Yes, you did, so did Sligo, I've accepted those defeats, I acknowledge the best teams won on those occasions and got on with my life. :D
You obviously haven't got over the 2005 Ulster final defeat ;)
Diarmuid Marsden's wrongful sending was far more crucial than the 05 red cards. And maybe like Tyrone in 05, Armagh too might have won that match. Tyrone lived to fight another day (in 05), Armagh's loss that day was far greater than just losing an Ulster final.
I can honestly say that I got over that Ulster final defeat the moment Peter pointed that free in the semi final. I suppose you have never had the closure that we have had.
By the way, I'd say, as good as Marsden was, he would hardly have the same influence on a game as BOTH Peter Canavan and Stevie O'Neill. :D
The one thing that I remember most about the 2005 semi final was how Big Joe made the biggest blunder of his management career by taking McGeeney off, big sean ran riot down the center and wee Peter despatch them into football oblivion. That point effectively closed the book on a team which should have won a lot more than they did. Those certainly were happy days.
I don't hate Tyrone people I just pity them. They have no footballing soul. You can just see the dead eyes in them as they play the game like a set of pre-defined drills.
Give me a few wireless receivers and cheap processor chip and a bad hairdo and I could build you a Tyrone footballer.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 05, 2013, 09:04:01 PM
I don't hate Tyrone people I just pity them. They have no footballing soul. You can just see the dead eyes in them as they play the game like a set of pre-defined drills.
Give me a few wireless receivers and cheap processor chip and a bad hairdo and I could build you a Tyrone footballer.
So that's all it takes to beat Kerry then? A wireless receiver and a processor chip?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 05, 2013, 09:04:01 PM
I don't hate Tyrone people I just pity them. They have no footballing soul. You can just see the dead eyes in them as they play the game like a set of pre-defined drills.
Give me a few wireless receivers and cheap processor chip and a bad hairdo and I could build you a Tyrone footballer.
Oh you are with out doubt the greatest clown that ever posted on this board. How could anyone ever take anything that you post serious again. Is that the best you are capable of ? I don't like to label people but are you seriously that educationally sub normal. Surely not. Have you finally cracked, are we to witness this clown roaming the streets of Killarney weapons in hand muttering the Tyrone ones made me do it. Get some help before its to late.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 05, 2013, 09:34:21 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 05, 2013, 09:04:01 PM
I don't hate Tyrone people I just pity them. They have no footballing soul. You can just see the dead eyes in them as they play the game like a set of pre-defined drills.
Give me a few wireless receivers and cheap processor chip and a bad hairdo and I could build you a Tyrone footballer.
Oh you are with out doubt the greatest clown that ever posted on this board. How could anyone ever take anything that you post serious again. Is that the best you are capable of ? I don't like to label people but are you seriously that educationally sub normal. Surely not. Have you finally cracked, are we to witness this clown roaming the streets of Killarney weapons in hand muttering the Tyrone ones made me do it. Get some help before its to late.
chill out. You Tyrone lads get awful worked up about a bit of banter. No need for all the personal insults.
2000s rankings:
1. Kerry
2. Tyrone
3. Galway
4. Armagh
5. Cork
Kerry have a claim to the team of the decade, as they were at the top right through. Tyrone didn't arrive until 2003 and Armagh faded towards the end. Galway are behind all 3 as they were only important for the first two years of the decade.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 06, 2013, 01:09:32 AM
Kerry have a claim to the team of the decade, as they were at the top right through. Tyrone didn't arrive until 2003 and Armagh faded towards the end. Galway are behind all 3 as they were only important for the first two years of the decade.
Jaysis, Armagh were only important for the same number of years as Galway by that logic.
In 2000, Kerry beat Armagh in extra time of a replay, they were as close to the top as Galway. In 2005 Armagh were similar, while Galway were long gone. In terms of that decade Armagh were well ahead of Galway.
Yes, but Galway were a two All-Ireland team. One of those was in 1998, but their 2001 All-Ireland made them a two All-Ireland team, something Armagh never achieved.
Kerry have 36 titles, but it is their performance in the decade 2000-2009 that we are talking about.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 06, 2013, 02:37:13 PM
Kerry have 36 titles, but it is their performance in the decade 2000-2009 that we are talking about.
Yes, but to the best of my knowledge they weren't achieved with the same team. The 1998 and 2001 Galway All-Irelands were achieved with largely the same group of players. That team won two All-Irelands to Armagh's one and thus has to be regarded as a better team.
Galway also beat Armagh when they met in 2001.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 05, 2013, 09:04:01 PM
I don't hate Tyrone people I just pity them. They have no footballing soul. You can just see the dead eyes in them as they play the game like a set of pre-defined drills.
Give me a few wireless receivers and cheap processor chip and a bad hairdo and I could build you a Tyrone footballer.
Were Paidà Ó Sé (RIP), Pat O'Shea & Jack O'Connor really that bad? Or are you just indulging your Tyrone
Obsessive Compulsive Disorder yet again, to your own unbounded ridicule?
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 05, 2013, 04:39:30 PM
I can honestly say that I got over that Ulster final defeat the moment Peter pointed that free in the semi final. I suppose you have never had the closure that we have had.
By the way, I'd say, as good as Marsden was, he would hardly have the same influence on a game as BOTH Peter Canavan and Stevie O'Neill. Of course the AI semi defeat was of greater consequence, that's the point, you will obviously understand now why I discounted the ulster final as the better teams win when there is no second chances. ;)
As you say, you got over the Ulster final when you beat us in the semi. That makes sense. I would have gladly taken an Ulster final defeat and a semi win, rather than what we got.
While I thought Canavan was probably harshly sent off that day (I've seen worse, and players not even booked), don't forget we went down to 14 as well, with Ciaran McKeever getting a red card. O'Neill did not deserve a red for sure. I can't really recall at what stage he went off and what bearing it had on the game. Nevertheless, had it been 15 v 15, you may have won, but we'll never know.
However, you were able to use that Ulster defeat to your advantage when meeting in the semi. And like I said before, even with Canavan/O'Neill being sent off, you were able to regroup and go on in the championship. That's something we were not afforded in 2003. The Marsden red card basically put an end to any hope of us regaining Sam. Marsden might not have been as influential as McConville or McDonnell, but he was still a very useful player. So, who knows.
So, you should understand how Armagh fans felt cheated that day. And it's nothing to do with being v Tyrone, it would've been the same had it happened v Kerry/Dublin or anyone. You obviously were hurting, and probably rightly so after the Ulster defeat, so you can understand Armagh fans unhappiness with a ref decision that ultimately lost us the biggest prize of all.
Marsden threw a punch there was no cheating. He was stupid and gave the ref no option. Whether it was self defence or not is immaterial. Discipline let mars den down and the ref done the right thing. Tyrone were 5 points a better team and if anything Armagh raised their game after being putrid throughout.
Quote from: rrhf on October 06, 2013, 10:45:49 PM
Marsden threw a punch there was no cheating. He was stupid and gave the ref no option. Whether it was self defence or not is immaterial. Discipline let mars den down and the ref done the right thing. Tyrone were 5 points a better team and if anything Armagh raised their game after being putrid throughout.
I would challenge that Marsden raised his arms to defend himself as Jordan charged him down. I would challenge anyone not to do the same in his position. His red was overturned so in the rules hat makes the decision wrong. In any case this will go on for years. Armagh and Tyrone fans will never agree on it.
I could also add that Tyrone ones I talk to always mention that the pictures show that Marsden raised a fist. In the 2005 semi the final free was won by O'Neill. I have seen pictures showing O'Neill pulling McKeever's jersey. We could keep this argument going for another 20 pages.
Jordan lay down and got him sent off, was the case 10yrs ago, still the same now nothing changed, nearly as bad as the day wee pete ran in Mike McCarthy and lay down, the kerry man getting booked for nothing, Greg McCartan getting the same after Brian McGuigan lay down from sniper fire after been hit by a ball, combine that with Ryan Mc knee to John Mc, Paul Donnelly throwing James McC (boots lol) into the crowd, Gormley cheap shot into the stomach of Tomas OSe, is it a wonder Mike Sheedy and bennycake are giving Tyrone so much grief on here, outside of Dublin who i cold name a no of accidents in the minus box, no other team has brought the unsavory element out in the open, Tyrone were a great team but their manager should have come down hard on some repeat offenders on his team, instead of trying to get players off suspensions, cut out the diving and playacting and i think they would had country wide respect.
Quote from: rrhf on October 06, 2013, 10:45:49 PM
Marsden threw a punch there was no cheating. He was stupid and gave the ref no option. Whether it was self defence or not is immaterial. Discipline let mars den down and the ref done the right thing. Tyrone were 5 points a better team and if anything Armagh raised their game after being putrid throughout.
He didn't throw a punch. Not a player that was ever known for indiscipline either. Jordan ran at him and he raised his hands. Jordan fell to the ground like a ginny ann as if he'd been ko'd.
If it was a clear cut strike/punch and there for all to see, as Tyrone men here like to claim, why on earth had he the audacity to go and (successfully) appeal it?
Jordan made a d1ck of himself and whatever about Tyrone's outstanding successes since 03, that one incident for me will forever epitomise how pathetic certain Tyrone players' behaviour was during that era (Wildweasel kindly highlights a few others).
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 07, 2013, 12:16:34 AM
Jordan lay down and got him sent off, was the case 10yrs ago, still the same now nothing changed, nearly as bad as the day wee pete ran in Mike McCarthy and lay down, the kerry man getting booked for nothing, Greg McCartan getting the same after Brian McGuigan lay down from sniper fire after been hit by a ball, combine that with Ryan Mc knee to John Mc, Paul Donnelly throwing James McC into the crowd, Gormley cheap shot into the stomach of Tomas OSe, is it a wonder Mike Sheedy and bennycake are giving Tyrone so much grief on here, outside of Dublin who i cold name a no of accidents in the minus box, no other team has brought the unsavory element out in the open, Tyrone were a great team but their manager should have come down hard on some repeat offenders on his team, instead of trying to get players off suspensions, cut out the diving and playacting and i think they would had country wide respect.
It was James McCartan's boot he threw into the crowd, but I like that image better ;D
I've stated my opinion before on that last highlighted bit a few times recently. Somehow I think it would be a waste of my time doing so again.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 07, 2013, 01:03:39 AM
I've stated my opinion before on that last highlighted bit a few times recently. Somehow I think it would be a waste of my time doing so again.
Ah no, keep it up, you've no idea how supremely gratifying the moans hereon are for some of us! :D
So, if someone runs over to you on a football pitch, the standard response is to raise your hand and punch him in the face? What did Marsden think Jordan was going to do to him that warranted the self defence, if he thought he was going to be hit, Jordan would have been sent off and history may have been different. But he didn't, he struck Jordan and deservedly walked. As for someone bringing the "Marsdens a lovely bloke he wouldn't do something like that" argument into, grow up, ffs! Jordan's career isn't exactly littered with red cards but you are happy to assume he was on his way to assault Marsden.
The analysts all felt mats den needed the early bath.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 07, 2013, 12:16:34 AM
Jordan lay down and got him sent off, was the case 10yrs ago, still the same now nothing changed, nearly as bad as the day wee pete ran in Mike McCarthy and lay down, the kerry man getting booked for nothing, Greg McCartan getting the same after Brian McGuigan lay down from sniper fire after been hit by a ball, combine that with Ryan Mc knee to John Mc, Paul Donnelly throwing James McC into the crowd, Gormley cheap shot into the stomach of Tomas OSe, is it a wonder Mike Sheedy and bennycake are giving Tyrone so much grief on here, outside of Dublin who i cold name a no of accidents in the minus box, no other team has brought the unsavory element out in the open, Tyrone were a great team but their manager should have come down hard on some repeat offenders on his team, instead of trying to get players off suspensions, cut out the diving and playacting and i think they would had country wide respect.
derry played monaghan few years ago - couple of sendings of and video evidence used to get more supensions it waqs unsavory- wouldn't you agree?
QuoteSo, if someone runs over to you on a football pitch, the standard response is to raise your hand and punch him in the face?
If someone charges at someone, anyone's natural instinct is to put their hands in front of their face to parry the blow.
QuoteAs for someone bringing the "Marsdens a lovely bloke he wouldn't do something like that" argument into, grow up, ffs! Jordan's career isn't exactly littered with red cards but you are happy to assume he was on his way to assault Marsden.
Given his success in getting the innocent party sent off instread, no wonder Jordan's career isn't exactly littered with red cards.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 07, 2013, 09:46:57 AM
QuoteSo, if someone runs over to you on a football pitch, the standard response is to raise your hand and punch him in the face?
If someone charges at someone, anyone's natural instinct is to put their hands in front of their face to parry the blow.
QuoteAs for someone bringing the "Marsdens a lovely bloke he wouldn't do something like that" argument into, grow up, ffs! Jordan's career isn't exactly littered with red cards but you are happy to assume he was on his way to assault Marsden.
Given his success in getting the innocent party sent off instread, no wonder Jordan's career isn't exactly littered with red cards.
What blow was he parrying? Players run into disputes all the time during games - a pushing and shoving match occur and the thing calms down. The natural reaction is not to lift your hand and throw it into someones face - though at least you are now admitting Marsden lifted his hands so thats a step forward in your rehabilitation process.
Your second comment makes no sense to me - so I cant respond to it.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 06, 2013, 08:43:06 PM
However, you were able to use that Ulster defeat to your advantage when meeting in the semi. And like I said before, even with Canavan/O'Neill being sent off, you were able to regroup and go on in the championship. That's something we were not afforded in 2003. The Marsden red card basically put an end to any hope of us regaining Sam. Marsden might not have been as influential as McConville or McDonnell, but he was still a very useful player. So, who knows.
So, you should understand how Armagh fans felt cheated that day. And it's nothing to do with being v Tyrone, it would've been the same had it happened v Kerry/Dublin or anyone. You obviously were hurting, and probably rightly so after the Ulster defeat, so you can understand Armagh fans unhappiness with a ref decision that ultimately lost us the biggest prize of all.
For 10 years I couldn't really understand how anyone could say Marsden was not guilty of hitting Jordan and getting him sent off. Having read Benny's post above I can understand it now a lot better for the first time.
If my understanding of what you're saying is right then you are saying that tensions were high for this game anyway and a lot was at stake. Tyrone had already been accused of being a bunch of divers & with players like Jordan & the other Moy lads so near to the Armagh border and haven't went to school in Armagh then there was extra spice in the mix. So the whether or not there was contact when Marsden "raised his hands", the Armagh way of looking at it was that here comes one of the local boys from the enemy side charging at him looking out of control and possibly about to charge & maybe strike Marsden. So naturally he put his hands up (or swung his arms out) to defend himself. But the true gripe is that Jordan's actions to charge at Marsden caused him to defend himself in some manner that allowed Jordan to over-react with the collision and thus CHEAT his way to an AI victory.
I can truthfully understand the Armagh opinion a bit more now actually that Marsden wasn't the instigator of the offence. He was only reacting to Jordan's actions and so they feel wronged and cheated that a player got sent off for just defending himself.
If the roles had been reversed and Marsden was charging at Jordan I wonder how Jordan would have reacted. I suspect the same would have happened.
The main question I have for all the Armagh fans that feel Marsden was wrongly sent off is what would you have done as the ref. There was definite raising of the hands and a striking motion in most people's eyes. Where a lot of Armagh fans differ is that did he actually connect. Is that fair to say?
The rule states that if there is a striking action then it's a red card no matter what. If you raise your hands to a man's face then its red. That's why a lot of players since then actually tend to push lads in the chest and not up the face.
I know I would have been pissed off had any of our forwards have been sent off in an AI final after reacting to someone charging at them looking like he wanted revenge.
I'm always interested to hear what the neutrals who saw the incident felt about it.
I asked before but why was his red card rescinded? What was the judgement on that?
Ref spelt his name wrong
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 07, 2013, 10:30:12 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 06, 2013, 08:43:06 PM
However, you were able to use that Ulster defeat to your advantage when meeting in the semi. And like I said before, even with Canavan/O'Neill being sent off, you were able to regroup and go on in the championship. That's something we were not afforded in 2003. The Marsden red card basically put an end to any hope of us regaining Sam. Marsden might not have been as influential as McConville or McDonnell, but he was still a very useful player. So, who knows.
So, you should understand how Armagh fans felt cheated that day. And it's nothing to do with being v Tyrone, it would've been the same had it happened v Kerry/Dublin or anyone. You obviously were hurting, and probably rightly so after the Ulster defeat, so you can understand Armagh fans unhappiness with a ref decision that ultimately lost us the biggest prize of all.
For 10 years I couldn't really understand how anyone could say Marsden was not guilty of hitting Jordan and getting him sent off. Having read Benny's post above I can understand it now a lot better for the first time.
If my understanding of what you're saying is right then you are saying that tensions were high for this game anyway and a lot was at stake. Tyrone had already been accused of being a bunch of divers & with players like Jordan & the other Moy lads so near to the Armagh border and haven't went to school in Armagh then there was extra spice in the mix. So the whether or not there was contact when Marsden "raised his hands", the Armagh way of looking at it was that here comes one of the local boys from the enemy side charging at him looking out of control and possibly about to charge & maybe strike Marsden. So naturally he put his hands up (or swung his arms out) to defend himself. But the true gripe is that Jordan's actions to charge at Marsden caused him to defend himself in some manner that allowed Jordan to over-react with the collision and thus CHEAT his way to an AI victory.
I can truthfully understand the Armagh opinion a bit more now actually that Marsden wasn't the instigator of the offence. He was only reacting to Jordan's actions and so they feel wronged and cheated that a player got sent off for just defending himself.
If the roles had been reversed and Marsden was charging at Jordan I wonder how Jordan would have reacted. I suspect the same would have happened.
The main question I have for all the Armagh fans that feel Marsden was wrongly sent off is what would you have done as the ref. There was definite raising of the hands and a striking motion in most people's eyes. Where a lot of Armagh fans differ is that did he actually connect. Is that fair to say?
The rule states that if there is a striking action then it's a red card no matter what. If you raise your hands to a man's face then its red. That's why a lot of players since then actually tend to push lads in the chest and not up the face.
I know I would have been pissed off had any of our forwards have been sent off in an AI final after reacting to someone charging at them looking like he wanted revenge.
I'm always interested to hear what the neutrals who saw the incident felt about it.
I asked before but why was his red card rescinded? What was the judgement on that?
Because any sane person could see that Diarmuid Marsden was completely in the right and Philip Jordan was completely in the wrong.
Good argument blanket.
I never considered that and very concise in your explanation.
Quote from: Nally Stand on October 03, 2013, 02:39:53 PM
This thread makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. A platform for both Mike Sheehy and the entirety of Armagh posters to repeatedly go out of their way to show us Tyrone folk just how much our successes got under their skins. Ahhhhh... ;D
Five or six more pages since I posted that!
Best. Thread. Ever. :)
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Quote from: armaghniac on October 07, 2013, 02:51:26 PM
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thats not jordan its eddie the eagle
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Marsbar is clearly shoutin/sneerin "take that ye Moy hoor".
got a handful of jersey, trying to grap his throat, looks like self defense to me lol
Funny how the all same people who saw a "punch" by Marsden are the same ones who didn't see the eye gouge on the Gooch in 2005.
Tyrone supporters are as one eyed as what their players tried to make the Gooch.
Quote from: ONeill on October 07, 2013, 07:30:23 PM
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Marsbar is clearly shoutin/sneerin "take that ye Moy hoor".
Nice follow-through as well.
He s done that before !!!
Jordan is obviously satanic, the reverse writing for his number is a dead giveaway.
Quote from: ONeill on October 07, 2013, 07:30:23 PM
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Marsbar is clearly shoutin/sneerin "take that ye Moy hoor".
There is no doubt in the refs mind either, he sends him off.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 08, 2013, 12:23:14 AM
Jordan is obviously satanic, the reverse writing for his number is a dead giveaway.
It's strange how his name is the right way around though ;)
Tyrone have obviously made a huge blunder at that Garvaghy centre. That T shape, they've built it the wrong way around. It's as bad as when the Orangemen spelt 'siege' wrong on their Drumcree medals ;D
Quote from: Sidney on October 07, 2013, 11:47:41 PM
Funny how the all same people who saw a "punch" by Marsden are the same ones who didn't see the eye gouge on the Gooch in 2005.
Tyrone supporters are as one eyed as what their players tried to make the Gooch.
It was in my head to write something similar, but you've summed it up.
Tyrone fans criticise Armagh fans about 03, with lines like "get over it" and "move on" etc, yet they can't admit, even 10 years later, that a player of theirs was in the wrong. 31 other counties know Jordan was the instigator and Marsden didn't deserve a red. The red was overturned after video evidence. Doesnt that prove the ref got it wrong? And yet you still insist the ref got it right.
At the end of the day, you got your AI. By whatever means, you got it. You would think you would be man enough to say that, OK so maybe the ref did get it wrong. But, you's can't even do that.
"Having first appealed the decision last month to the GAA's Games Administration Committee (GAC) and seen it rejected, Armagh based their appeal to yesterday's meeting in Croke Park on procedural grounds, claiming that two requests to the GAC to ascertain whether the referee, Brian White had consulted with his umpire following an altercation between Marsden and Tyrone defender Philip Jordan had been ignored."
Armagh cheated their way to getting Marsden off. Shameful by the Orchard men.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 08, 2013, 02:15:48 AM
Quote from: Sidney on October 07, 2013, 11:47:41 PM
Funny how the all same people who saw a "punch" by Marsden are the same ones who didn't see the eye gouge on the Gooch in 2005.
Tyrone supporters are as one eyed as what their players tried to make the Gooch.
It was in my head to write something similar, but you've summed it up.
Tyrone fans criticise Armagh fans about 03, with lines like "get over it" and "move on" etc, yet they can't admit, even 10 years later, that a player of theirs was in the wrong. 31 other counties know Jordan was the instigator and Marsden didn't deserve a red. The red was overturned after video evidence. Doesnt that prove the ref got it wrong? And yet you still insist the ref got it right.
At the end of the day, you got your AI. By whatever means, you got it. You would think you would be man enough to say that, OK so maybe the ref did get it wrong. But, you's can't even do that.
As mentioned already, Tyrone had their two best forward players incorrectly sent off in the 2005 Ulster Final Replay at a time when they were comfortably in the lead. The sendings off changed the game and Tyrone went on to lose. That still annoys me to this daym but in a way it probably was the reason why Tyrone drove on and won the subsequent semi-final.
As for the Marsden incident, I don't think it had any big bearing on the game. The pattern of the game before and after the sending off was pretty much the same. Not sure how you formed your initial opinion Fuzzman though, because even now I cringe when I see the incident replayed on TV. If Jordan had actually been hit then no action should have even been taken as if there was ever a case of a man needing to use self defence then this was it. Jordan was running full pelt towards Marsdens face, what was the man supposed to do?
On another note, why is it seen to be ok to push and shove men anywhere you want but once you make contact with their face its a big deal? Pushing and shoving should be treated the same irrelevant of where the blow is. Its seen as ok to be at this carry on as if its just part of the game. How often do you see a sub coming on and firing a hard shoulder into an unsuspecting opponets back? Pretty low blow and yet its seen as fine.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 08, 2013, 08:23:18 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 08, 2013, 02:15:48 AM
Quote from: Sidney on October 07, 2013, 11:47:41 PM
Funny how the all same people who saw a "punch" by Marsden are the same ones who didn't see the eye gouge on the Gooch in 2005.
Tyrone supporters are as one eyed as what their players tried to make the Gooch.
It was in my head to write something similar, but you've summed it up.
Tyrone fans criticise Armagh fans about 03, with lines like "get over it" and "move on" etc, yet they can't admit, even 10 years later, that a player of theirs was in the wrong. 31 other counties know Jordan was the instigator and Marsden didn't deserve a red. The red was overturned after video evidence. Doesnt that prove the ref got it wrong? And yet you still insist the ref got it right.
At the end of the day, you got your AI. By whatever means, you got it. You would think you would be man enough to say that, OK so maybe the ref did get it wrong. But, you's can't even do that.
As mentioned already, Tyrone had their two best forward players incorrectly sent off in the 2005 Ulster Final Replay at a time when they were comfortably in the lead. The sendings off changed the game and Tyrone went on to lose. That still annoys me to this daym but in a way it probably was the reason why Tyrone drove on and won the subsequent semi-final.
As for the Marsden incident, I don't think it had any big bearing on the game. The pattern of the game before and after the sending off was pretty much the same. Not sure how you formed your initial opinion Fuzzman though, because even now I cringe when I see the incident replayed on TV. If Jordan had actually been hit then no action should have even been taken as if there was ever a case of a man needing to use self defence then this was it. Jordan was running full pelt towards Marsdens face, what was the man supposed to do?
On another note, why is it seen to be ok to push and shove men anywhere you want but once you make contact with their face its a big deal? Pushing and shoving should be treated the same irrelevant of where the blow is. Its seen as ok to be at this carry on as if its just part of the game. How often do you see a sub coming on and firing a hard shoulder into an unsuspecting opponets back? Pretty low blow and yet its seen as fine.
Tyrone won the subsequent semifinal because Paul McGrane couldnt pick a ball up off the ground twice, instead knocking it oput for a tyrone line ball. That one hurts more than the 03 final because despite the sending off I still think Tyrone would have won that day
Some craic :D Keep this glorious thread going. ;D
QuoteTyrone won the subsequent semifinal because Paul McGrane couldnt pick a ball up off the ground twice, instead knocking it oput for a tyrone line ball.
What he said. This incident, one of those things, was the key moment.
Why is it so hard to get to the truth of the appeal?
What does that statement mean from O'Neill?
Nrico, how does one charge at a man's face but not the rest of his body? ;D
To me Jordan had lost the head with Marsden as he was reacting to a previous incident that Marsden had fouled Gormley.
Are you saying that if a man charges at you looking like he's gonna confront you then you're justified to swing yer fist at him to defend yourself?
In my eyes Marsden swung at him to knock him back and whilst I do think there was definite contact I also think that Jordan went down rather dramatically with the intent to get him sent off.
In my eyes he did therefore cheat to get him sent off but for anyone to say that Marsden wasn't foolish in the way he swung out at him, is just crazy. In a tight AI final you should know your discipline is crucial so why would you take that chance of swinging at someone and give the ref any chance of sending you off? Rush of blood to the head when faced with the incident.
I'd say as soon as he did it he regretted it and he probably felt cheated that he fell for Jordan's ploy.
So whilst I can be man enough to admit that I think Jordan's intent was to try to get a reaction from Marsden and thus get him sent off and thus cheat, I also think Marsden fell for it and did raise his hands and strike him. Whether justified or not the rules are very clear about striking.
I can't understand how the appeal got him off and that's why I keep asking about what was the conclusion of the appeal?
Facts are. Jordan as stated made a go at confronting Marsden. Marsden struck, Jordan made a meal out of it and went down, Marsden straight red. The argument of Jordans behaviour doesn't come into it. When you raise your fist you walk regardless of the provocation. Armagh supporters have spent the last ten years directing the blame towardsJordan for getting Marsden sent off he didn't Marsden was the cause of it himself by raising his fist. If I was an Armagh supporter I would be reserving most of my anger towards Marsden for falling for Jordans gamesmanship.
at the start of the match you can lip read mc geaney tellin the ref - all i'm sayin is watch the diving, and he's the first man down could ye plan it.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 06, 2013, 08:18:16 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 05, 2013, 09:04:01 PM
I don't hate Tyrone people I just pity them. They have no footballing soul. You can just see the dead eyes in them as they play the game like a set of pre-defined drills.
Give me a few wireless receivers and cheap processor chip and a bad hairdo and I could build you a Tyrone footballer.
Were Paidà Ó Sé (RIP), Pat O'Shea & Jack O'Connor really that bad? Or are you just indulging your Tyrone Obsessive Compulsive Disorder yet again, to your own unbounded ridicule?
You could have just said OCD but we know your unbounded verbosity prevents such brevity.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 08, 2013, 11:52:37 AM
Facts are. Jordan as stated made a go at confronting Marsden. Marsden struck, Jordan made a meal out of it and went down, Marsden straight red. The argument of Jordans behaviour doesn't come into it. When you raise your fist you walk regardless of the provocation. Armagh supporters have spent the last ten years directing the blame towardsJordan for getting Marsden sent off he didn't Marsden was the cause of it himself by raising his fist. If I was an Armagh supporter I would be reserving most of my anger towards Marsden for falling for Jordans gamesmanship.
No Jordan ran 10 yards at him so was the instigator whatever way you look at it.
So it took 10 years for one of them to finally admit to cheating Armagh. It'll probably be 50 years before they own up to gouging Colm Cooper.
They will never win another AI until they admit all their crimes. Karma will have its say.
Quote from: haveaharp on October 08, 2013, 12:42:57 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 08, 2013, 11:52:37 AM
Facts are. Jordan as stated made a go at confronting Marsden. Marsden struck, Jordan made a meal out of it and went down, Marsden straight red. The argument of Jordans behaviour doesn't come into it. When you raise your fist you walk regardless of the provocation. Armagh supporters have spent the last ten years directing the blame towardsJordan for getting Marsden sent off he didn't Marsden was the cause of it himself by raising his fist. If I was an Armagh supporter I would be reserving most of my anger towards Marsden for falling for Jordans gamesmanship.
No Jordan ran 10 yards at him so was the instigator whatever way you look at it.
Which rule is that you're quoting, exactly, where to 'run at an opponent' is an offence?
Had Marsden put both his hands up at chest level, with palms open and facing outwards, in defence, then nothing could have befallen him; swinging wildly is a whole different matter.
You'd swear Jordan ran at him like Kennelly did at Murphy in the 2009 final, to listen to some of the bleating hereon (from the usual sources).
Is there any good footage online of the incident? As far as I remember, Jordan was in the wrong and was a disgrace. Marsdens at worst made an attempt to push him away. I wasn;t complaining at the time, but even with my blinkers on its impossible to argue for Jordan.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 08, 2013, 01:30:41 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 08, 2013, 12:42:57 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 08, 2013, 11:52:37 AM
Facts are. Jordan as stated made a go at confronting Marsden. Marsden struck, Jordan made a meal out of it and went down, Marsden straight red. The argument of Jordans behaviour doesn't come into it. When you raise your fist you walk regardless of the provocation. Armagh supporters have spent the last ten years directing the blame towardsJordan for getting Marsden sent off he didn't Marsden was the cause of it himself by raising his fist. If I was an Armagh supporter I would be reserving most of my anger towards Marsden for falling for Jordans gamesmanship.
No Jordan ran 10 yards at him so was the instigator whatever way you look at it.
Which rule is that you're quoting, exactly, where to 'run at an opponent' is an offence?
Had Marsden put both his hands up at chest level, with palms open and facing outwards, in defence, then nothing could have befallen him; swinging wildly is a whole different matter.
You'd swear Jordan ran at him like Kennelly did at Murphy in the 2009 final, to listen to some of the bleating hereon (from the usual sources).
Jordan is lucky it wasn't hurling, he'd have got a hurl in the head and the ref would have waved play on. Cyril Farrell would have talked about Marden's passion and Ger Loughnane would have lambasted Jordan for not biting the end off the hurl with his teeth.
Sure Jordan's jaw had some lump on it the next day. Marsden hit him some whack, I'll give him that.
The appeal was turned down after further video footage was analysed so Joe got him off on an administration technicality. Cynical, cynical stuff by Armagh.
Im loving this thread - its great that this Tyrone team is still giving us enjoyment even after most of them have retired. The ability to get under the skin of Armagh and Kerry folk is a great gift that they have passed down to future generations.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 08, 2013, 01:30:41 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 08, 2013, 12:42:57 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 08, 2013, 11:52:37 AM
Facts are. Jordan as stated made a go at confronting Marsden. Marsden struck, Jordan made a meal out of it and went down, Marsden straight red. The argument of Jordans behaviour doesn't come into it. When you raise your fist you walk regardless of the provocation. Armagh supporters have spent the last ten years directing the blame towardsJordan for getting Marsden sent off he didn't Marsden was the cause of it himself by raising his fist. If I was an Armagh supporter I would be reserving most of my anger towards Marsden for falling for Jordans gamesmanship.
No Jordan ran 10 yards at him so was the instigator whatever way you look at it.
Which rule is that you're quoting, exactly, where to 'run at an opponent' is an offence?
Had Marsden put both his hands up at chest level, with palms open and facing outwards, in defence, then nothing could have befallen him; swinging wildly is a whole different matter.
You'd swear Jordan ran at him like Kennelly did at Murphy in the 2009 final, to listen to some of the bleating hereon (from the usual sources).
Kennelly and Murphy ? If i remember right in the first few seconds Kennelly did actually wallop Murphy and got no punishment. If thats the same incident you refer to. Marsden with palms open and facing outwards - are you having a laugh. Its not a religious ceremony we are talking about.
Quote from: Sidney on October 07, 2013, 11:47:41 PM
Funny how the all same people who saw a "punch" by Marsden are the same ones who didn't see the eye gouge on the Gooch in 2005.
Tyrone supporters are as one eyed as what their players tried to make the Gooch.
Did you see it? Did the umpires see it? Did the ref see it? Did Gooch see it? No, no, no and no. Not even the cameras. No one. Gooch was up to his old tricks I think. I wouldn't be surprised if he gouged himself.
If a lonely Dromore man falls down the stairs with no witnesses, did it happen?
Quote from: haveaharp on October 08, 2013, 02:36:55 PM
Kennelly and Murphy ? If i remember right in the first few seconds Kennelly did actually wallop Murphy and got no punishment. If thats the same incident you refer to. Marsden with palms open and facing outwards - are you having a laugh. Its not a religious ceremony we are talking about.
Yes, and Jordan didn't wallop Marsden, didn't even touch him (no matter what anyone
thinks he was about to do)!
When you make to protect yourself and push someone away in self-defence, you'll find that it will be with open and outward facing palms, unless you would do that differently on the field (by lashing out), in which case you've probably walked a right few times yourself.
LIke this Fear?
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He even has one of those wee Armagh symbols around his neck for extra team spirit.
Quote from: ONeill on October 08, 2013, 02:39:17 PM
If a lonely Dromore man falls down the stairs with no witnesses, did it happen?
Typical Tyrone diving.
I remember last year, Jordan was giving Seanie Johnston abuse over his transfer to Kildare on twitter, Johnston replied with at least I didn't cheat to get a player sent off in a All Ireland final. Jordan said feck all after that.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2013, 03:30:18 PM
I remember last year, Jordan was giving Seanie Johnston abuse his transfer to Kildare on twitter, Johnston replied with at least I didn't cheat to get a player sent off in a All Ireland final. Jordan said feck all after that.
Johnston 1 Jordan 0 ;D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 08, 2013, 02:42:42 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on October 08, 2013, 02:36:55 PM
Kennelly and Murphy ? If i remember right in the first few seconds Kennelly did actually wallop Murphy and got no punishment. If thats the same incident you refer to. Marsden with palms open and facing outwards - are you having a laugh. Its not a religious ceremony we are talking about.
Yes, and Jordan didn't wallop Marsden, didn't even touch him (no matter what anyone thinks he was about to do)!
When you make to protect yourself and push someone away in self-defence, you'll find that it will be with open and outward facing palms, unless you would do that differently on the field (by lashing out), in which case you've probably walked a right few times yourself.
Never the once. Gary Linekar type player. ;)
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 08, 2013, 02:28:18 PM
Im loving this thread - its great that this Tyrone team is still giving us enjoyment even after most of them have retired. The ability to get under the skin of Armagh and Kerry folk is a great gift that they have passed down to future generations.
The rest of us just laugh at how Kerry's status as team of the decade continues to get under Tyrone people's skin.
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 08, 2013, 02:28:18 PM
Im loving this thread - its great that this Tyrone team is still giving us enjoyment even after most of them have retired. The ability to get under the skin of Armagh and Kerry folk is a great gift that they have passed down to future generations.
Kerry couldn't gave a flying one about Tyrone, and as Armagh won it before Tyrone - yeoooooooooooow. ;D ;D
Quote from: Cold tea on October 08, 2013, 03:41:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 08, 2013, 02:28:18 PM
Im loving this thread - its great that this Tyrone team is still giving us enjoyment even after most of them have retired. The ability to get under the skin of Armagh and Kerry folk is a great gift that they have passed down to future generations.
Kerry couldn't gave a flying one about Tyrone, and as Armagh won it before Tyrone - yeoooooooooooow. ;D ;D
Do Kerry players cry with emotion every time they win a qualifier at home?
www.thescore.ie/video-paul-galvin-crying-528912-Jul2012/
kinda hard to argue in football terms, one county got 36 the other 3, at least the dubs have hit the 20 odd mark and can blow abit about it
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 08, 2013, 05:28:43 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on October 08, 2013, 03:41:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 08, 2013, 02:28:18 PM
Im loving this thread - its great that this Tyrone team is still giving us enjoyment even after most of them have retired. The ability to get under the skin of Armagh and Kerry folk is a great gift that they have passed down to future generations.
Kerry couldn't gave a flying one about Tyrone, and as Armagh won it before Tyrone - yeoooooooooooow. ;D ;D
Do Kerry players cry with emotion every time they win a qualifier at home?
www.thescore.ie/video-paul-galvin-crying-528912-Jul2012/
That clip haunts me. It's like an interview with someone who had just been discovered after having been held captive for 8 years. You can see right into the man's soul. The pain. You're happy he's now free but you can only imagine the decade of darkness they've endured.
Fly, Paul, fly.
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 08, 2013, 02:28:18 PM
Im loving this thread - its great that this Tyrone team is still giving us enjoyment even after most of them have retired. The ability to get under the skin of Armagh and Kerry folk is a great gift that they have passed down to future generations.
You know you can't defend Jordan, so you just continue to regurgitate this nonsense.
armagh never were in the lead that day but should have won???
Quote from: BennyCake on October 08, 2013, 07:41:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 08, 2013, 02:28:18 PM
Im loving this thread - its great that this Tyrone team is still giving us enjoyment even after most of them have retired. The ability to get under the skin of Armagh and Kerry folk is a great gift that they have passed down to future generations.
You know you can't defend Jordan, so you just continue to regurgitate this nonsense.
I've made my point in defence of Jordan on numerous occasions. But I genuinely couldnt care less, I'd much prefer to be listening to you lot whinge about our player play acting, than listen to you gloat about winning two in a row.
Quote from: Sidney on October 08, 2013, 03:31:46 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2013, 03:30:18 PM
I remember last year, Jordan was giving Seanie Johnston abuse his transfer to Kildare on twitter, Johnston replied with at least I didn't cheat to get a player sent off in a All Ireland final. Jordan said feck all after that.
Johnston 1 Jordan 0 ;D
Im sure Jordan would beat him where it counts unfortuneately.
A good player he undoubtedly was but he was hateful for fans of not tyrone
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 09, 2013, 08:30:25 AM
Quote from: Sidney on October 08, 2013, 03:31:46 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2013, 03:30:18 PM
I remember last year, Jordan was giving Seanie Johnston abuse his transfer to Kildare on twitter, Johnston replied with at least I didn't cheat to get a player sent off in a All Ireland final. Jordan said feck all after that.
Johnston 1 Jordan 0 ;D
Im sure Jordan would beat him where it counts unfortuneately.
A good player he undoubtedly was but he was hateful for fans of not tyrone
seanie johnston would first have to get himself into an AI senior football championship final before he could make that call
Quoteseanie johnston would first have to get himself into an AI senior football championship final before he could make that call
Seanie did more than most to achieve that aim!
Jordan started twitter after his playing days were over. Johnson didnt........................i think that says enough about the characters and who needed their ego stroking.
Back to the point. McGeeney good addition to Armagh set up, but they dont have the players they had 10 years ago, and it appears they dont have the same degree of "nouce" on the sideline. Should add impetus to the Armagh progression/developement, but this thread should be saved and revisited or updated in another 10 years.
Quote from: Sidney on October 08, 2013, 03:31:46 PM
Johnston 1 Jordan 0 ;D
Think you have that wrong there. It's actually...
Jordan: 2005, 2008, 2013
Johnston: 0
Im sure Philly Jordan is deadly bothered about what a Kildare sub thinks. Does Seanie even know what its like to play in a provincial final or all ireland final / semi final / quarter final? Hows his hurling career going? Maybe he played a provincial final for them?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 08, 2013, 05:44:52 PM
kinda hard to argue in football terms, one county got 36 the other 3, at least the dubs have hit the 20 odd mark and can blow abit about it
Hard to argue with what Weasel?
The question was did Tyrone get under Kerry's skin and whilst most Kerry fans would never say yes, it was pretty obvious from the players that Tyrone did. In fairness to Galvin he matured a bit in the last few years and his honesty in that video is to be commended. It meant a lot to them that they beat us that year and finally get that monkey off their back.
Would you disagree with that opinion?
For a man from a county who hugely underachieved with a good team back in the early 90's, you do some mouthing off about Tyrone at every opportunity.
It's interesting how many on the Tomás o'Se thread seem to rate Jordan as a great wing back yet so many small minded Derry & Armagh lads thought he was nothing but a cheat. Ye are all entitled to yer opinions of course.
A few of us Tyromonies have been man enough to say maybe he did make a meal of the strike but I have yet to hear one Armagh man to say that Marsden could have dealt with it better. At least BennyCake explained how the disappointment of losing the chance for 2 in a row has made them bitter towards Jordan and so I can then understand their bias or need for a scapegoat.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2013, 03:30:18 PM
I remember last year, Jordan was giving Seanie Johnston abuse his transfer to Kildare on twitter, Johnston replied with at least I didn't cheat to get a player sent off in a All Ireland final. Jordan said feck all after that.
We know you didn't Seanie. You never got the opportunity to.
Quote from: Nally Stand on October 09, 2013, 10:53:12 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 08, 2013, 03:30:18 PM
I remember last year, Jordan was giving Seanie Johnston abuse his transfer to Kildare on twitter, Johnston replied with at least I didn't cheat to get a player sent off in a All Ireland final. Jordan said feck all after that.
We know you didn't Seanie. You never got the opportunity to.
Got ye digging away with another few pages with that :)
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 09, 2013, 10:36:16 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 08, 2013, 05:44:52 PM
kinda hard to argue in football terms, one county got 36 the other 3, at least the dubs have hit the 20 odd mark and can blow abit about it
but I have yet to hear one Armagh man to say that Marsden could have dealt with it better.
he could have actually hit him
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 09, 2013, 10:36:16 AM
Hard to argue with what Weasel?
The question was did Tyrone get under Kerry's skin and whilst most Kerry fans would never say yes, it was pretty obvious from the players that Tyrone did. In fairness to Galvin he matured a bit in the last few years and his honesty in that video is to be commended. It meant a lot to them that they beat us that year and finally get that monkey off their back.
Would you disagree with that opinion?
For a man from a county who hugely underachieved with a good team back in the early 90's, you do some mouthing off about Tyrone at every opportunity.
It's interesting how many on the Tomás o'Se thread seem to rate Jordan as a great wing back yet so many small minded Derry & Armagh lads thought he was nothing but a cheat. Ye are all entitled to yer opinions of course.
A few of us Tyromonies have been man enough to say maybe he did make a meal of the strike but I have yet to hear one Armagh man to say that Marsden could have dealt with it better. At least BennyCake explained how the disappointment of losing the chance for 2 in a row has made them bitter towards Jordan and so I can then understand their bias or need for a scapegoat.
I would imagine the reason Tyrone may have got under Kerrys skin, was not because Tyrone beat them 3 times, but it was what their players did to win those 3 games (eye gouging, screaming at players, trying to get Kerrymen booked etc). I think that's what wrangles the Kerry folk. If a team beats your team fair and square, you can't have any complaints, but when there's that sort of thing going on, well that's a different story.
I think most fans (even Derry and Armagh) would appreciate that Jordan was a decent player, but he will always be remembered for his cheating. Not only that, but as good a player as he was, he didn't half go down easily at the slightest contact.
Re: Marsden. As I recall, there was handbags between him and another Tyrone player, when Jordan came bolting at him on his blind side. It was a reflex action.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 09, 2013, 11:53:52 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 09, 2013, 10:36:16 AM
Hard to argue with what Weasel?
The question was did Tyrone get under Kerry's skin and whilst most Kerry fans would never say yes, it was pretty obvious from the players that Tyrone did. In fairness to Galvin he matured a bit in the last few years and his honesty in that video is to be commended. It meant a lot to them that they beat us that year and finally get that monkey off their back.
Would you disagree with that opinion?
For a man from a county who hugely underachieved with a good team back in the early 90's, you do some mouthing off about Tyrone at every opportunity.
It's interesting how many on the Tomás o'Se thread seem to rate Jordan as a great wing back yet so many small minded Derry & Armagh lads thought he was nothing but a cheat. Ye are all entitled to yer opinions of course.
A few of us Tyromonies have been man enough to say maybe he did make a meal of the strike but I have yet to hear one Armagh man to say that Marsden could have dealt with it better. At least BennyCake explained how the disappointment of losing the chance for 2 in a row has made them bitter towards Jordan and so I can then understand their bias or need for a scapegoat.
I would imagine the reason Tyrone may have got under Kerrys skin, was not because Tyrone beat them 3 times, but it was what their players did to win those 3 games (eye gouging, screaming at players, trying to get Kerrymen booked etc). I think that's what wrangles the Kerry folk. If a team beats your team fair and square, you can't have any complaints, but when there's that sort of thing going on, well that's a different story.
I think most fans (even Derry and Armagh) would appreciate that Jordan was a decent player, but he will always be remembered for his cheating. Not only that, but as good a player as he was, he didn't half go down easily at the slightest contact.
Re: Marsden. As I recall, there was handbags between him and another Tyrone player, when Jordan came bolting at him on his blind side. It was a reflex action.
You now speak for Kerry folk? ;D Some craic. The apples really must be bitter.
Quote from: EC Unique on October 09, 2013, 12:35:03 PM
You now speak for Kerry folk? ;D Some craic. The apples really must be bitter.
"I would imagine...". That's the first three words I used. Is that speaking for Kerry folk?
Why don't you try to contribute something worthwhile to this thread? You've nothing to add, so you come up with smiley faces and name calling and the likes. Pathetic.
Quote from: EC Unique on October 09, 2013, 12:35:03 PM
The apples really must be bitter.
2002
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTi2_d2nylZbpCs7bHOHylsm8QiEy4OVevgMhrKldoM_p70sUm5Tg)
(http://ssl.utvinternet.com/sportingvisions/imgdir/23997437/SPORTSFILE-123853.jpg)(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45024000/jpg/_45024073_brian_dooher_cup270.jpg)(http://[img]http://ssl.utvinternet.com/sportingvisions/imgdir/249261543/321404.jpg)(http://ssl.utvinternet.com/sportingvisions/imgdir/249261543/321404.jpg)
2013
(http://misspiggyjournalist.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/last-february-apple.jpg)
You Tyrone ones sure put up great arguments ::)
I thought you had to be over 12 to be a member on this board? Looks like we have a few under age.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 09, 2013, 01:08:09 PM
You Tyrone ones sure put up great arguments ::)
I thought you had to be over 12 to be a member on this board? Looks like we have a few under age.
22 pages of crying over a game which took place ten years ago and we're the immature ones? :P Ah lighten up. The moaning from Armagh and Kerry on this thread is a source of immense pleasure to Tyrone posters. It baffles me why ye all insist on continuing to post on it for that very reason, but I'm not complaining! Here's to the next 22 pages!! ;D
Quote from: BennyCake on October 09, 2013, 11:53:52 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 09, 2013, 10:36:16 AM
Hard to argue with what Weasel?
The question was did Tyrone get under Kerry's skin and whilst most Kerry fans would never say yes, it was pretty obvious from the players that Tyrone did. In fairness to Galvin he matured a bit in the last few years and his honesty in that video is to be commended. It meant a lot to them that they beat us that year and finally get that monkey off their back.
Would you disagree with that opinion?
For a man from a county who hugely underachieved with a good team back in the early 90's, you do some mouthing off about Tyrone at every opportunity.
It's interesting how many on the Tomás o'Se thread seem to rate Jordan as a great wing back yet so many small minded Derry & Armagh lads thought he was nothing but a cheat. Ye are all entitled to yer opinions of course.
A few of us Tyromonies have been man enough to say maybe he did make a meal of the strike but I have yet to hear one Armagh man to say that Marsden could have dealt with it better. At least BennyCake explained how the disappointment of losing the chance for 2 in a row has made them bitter towards Jordan and so I can then understand their bias or need for a scapegoat.
I would imagine the reason Tyrone may have got under Kerrys skin, was not because Tyrone beat them 3 times, but it was what their players did to win those 3 games (eye gouging, screaming at players, trying to get Kerrymen booked etc). I think that's what wrangles the Kerry folk. If a team beats your team fair and square, you can't have any complaints, but when there's that sort of thing going on, well that's a different story.
I think most fans (even Derry and Armagh) would appreciate that Jordan was a decent player, but he will always be remembered for his cheating. Not only that, but as good a player as he was, he didn't half go down easily at the slightest contact.
Re: Marsden. As I recall, there was handbags between him and another Tyrone player, when Jordan came bolting at him on his blind side. It was a reflex action.
kerry done plenty of diving in 05 final trying to stop canavan's shot going into the net lol
Did anyone in the media come up with any definite evidence of what happened Gooch's eye that time?
Was it meant to me big Pascal that done it or were they trying to blame Ricey in a Dublin shirt?
(http://ballsdot.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/cooper.jpg)
BennyCake, are you a bit like Brolly and RTE in general and rather selective of the incidents that you choose to comment on. I bet you thought Dublin were a very clean team this year and never stooped to such low levels of the dark arts to win a game. Do you believe everything that the RTE tell you?
Why wasn't this incident highlighted by RTE's Brolly & Co but instead we have to squeaky clean Gavin tell us over and over again how he wants the game played in the right spirit. Do you agree this is clear evidence of eye gouging whereas NO such images came out from the alleged one in 2005 or was there?
I think Mickey Harte's boycott of RTE has had a knock-on effect this year on how RTE painted us and I hope it doesn't continue next year.
Quote from: Nally Stand on October 09, 2013, 12:59:34 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on October 09, 2013, 12:35:03 PM
The apples really must be bitter.
2002
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTi2_d2nylZbpCs7bHOHylsm8QiEy4OVevgMhrKldoM_p70sUm5Tg)
(http://ssl.utvinternet.com/sportingvisions/imgdir/23997437/SPORTSFILE-123853.jpg)(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45024000/jpg/_45024073_brian_dooher_cup270.jpg)(http://[img]http://ssl.utvinternet.com/sportingvisions/imgdir/249261543/321404.jpg)(http://ssl.utvinternet.com/sportingvisions/imgdir/249261543/321404.jpg)
2013
(http://misspiggyjournalist.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/last-february-apple.jpg)
Louganis and Daley in their prime
Armagh
(http://www.sunmountainfarm.com/images/Apple-Orchard.jpg)
Tyrone
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Peat_Bog_near_Maligar_-_geograph.org.uk_-_223216.jpg)
Quote from: armaghniac on October 09, 2013, 04:09:52 PM
Armagh
(http://www.sunmountainfarm.com/images/Apple-Orchard.jpg)
Tyrone
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Peat_Bog_near_Maligar_-_geograph.org.uk_-_223216.jpg)
and they pay us now to leave the bog alone
Tyrone:
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45042000/jpg/_45042055_harte_dooher.jpg)
Armagh:
(http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8522/8668509844_440cafa4c3_z.jpg)
Quoteand they pay us now to leave the bog alone
the sheep will be happy to hear that.
Armagh
(http://www.irishsportscouncil.ie/images_upload/Governing_Bodies/NGB_Resources/Funding_Sport/Bowling_Road_/bowlingroad_main.gif)
Tyrone
(http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/dog-fight-02.jpg)
Quote from: Nally Stand on October 09, 2013, 01:16:09 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 09, 2013, 01:08:09 PM
You Tyrone ones sure put up great arguments ::)
I thought you had to be over 12 to be a member on this board? Looks like we have a few under age.
22 pages of crying over a game which took place ten years ago and we're the immature ones? :P Ah lighten up. The moaning from Armagh and Kerry on this thread is a source of immense pleasure to Tyrone posters. It baffles me why ye all insist on continuing to post on it for that very reason, but I'm not complaining! Here's to the next 22 pages!! ;D
I'm not crying. I'm merely asking for a Tyrone perspective on the antics of Tyrone players, particularly Jordan. And it's not just about 2003 either. But of course, you all don't seem to be able to respond with a sensible reply. It's all been smiley faces and pictures of apples and the likes. That's why it's been running for 22+ pages.
(http://www.themarysue.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/apples.jpg)
I agree with you in many ways but I do believe that fists of fury marsden wouldn't have lasted that game out out. Jordan was unlucky to be one targeted that time, I think he hit the wrong man, if he had hit Stevie o Neill or those guys who kept putting the ball over the bar, Armagh might have had a real chance.
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 09, 2013, 02:37:27 PM
Did anyone in the media come up with any definite evidence of what happened Gooch's eye that time?
Was it meant to me big Pascal that done it or were they trying to blame Ricey in a Dublin shirt?
(http://ballsdot.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/cooper.jpg)
BennyCake, are you a bit like Brolly and RTE in general and rather selective of the incidents that you choose to comment on. I bet you thought Dublin were a very clean team this year and never stooped to such low levels of the dark arts to win a game. Do you believe everything that the RTE tell you?
Why wasn't this incident highlighted by RTE's Brolly & Co but instead we have to squeaky clean Gavin tell us over and over again how he wants the game played in the right spirit. Do you agree this is clear evidence of eye gouging whereas NO such images came out from the alleged one in 2005 or was there?
I think Mickey Harte's boycott of RTE has had a knock-on effect this year on how RTE painted us and I hope it doesn't continue next year.
I was replying to a post, which was why I referred to such incidents. And the issue here is with Tyrone, not Dublin.
The boycott has nothing to do with Tyrones image. Since 2003, Harte's teams have been involved in numerous incidents, some which were dealt with, some that weren't. I've always maintained that even if Harte doesn't send his players out to carry out such deeds on the pitch, if he condones it afterwards, he may as well have instructed them to carry them out.
Tyrone should look at how they play the game, rather than moaning about this "poor us" mentality. Maybe if someone like Brolly had spoken out 10 years ago (like he did about the Cavanagh incident), the game wouldn't be the cynical game it is today.
Yes but how would that have stopped Meath or were they not cynical
Quote from: BennyCake on October 09, 2013, 11:05:49 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 09, 2013, 02:37:27 PM
Did anyone in the media come up with any definite evidence of what happened Gooch's eye that time?
Was it meant to me big Pascal that done it or were they trying to blame Ricey in a Dublin shirt?
(http://ballsdot.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/cooper.jpg)
BennyCake, are you a bit like Brolly and RTE in general and rather selective of the incidents that you choose to comment on. I bet you thought Dublin were a very clean team this year and never stooped to such low levels of the dark arts to win a game. Do you believe everything that the RTE tell you?
Why wasn't this incident highlighted by RTE's Brolly & Co but instead we have to squeaky clean Gavin tell us over and over again how he wants the game played in the right spirit. Do you agree this is clear evidence of eye gouging whereas NO such images came out from the alleged one in 2005 or was there?
I think Mickey Harte's boycott of RTE has had a knock-on effect this year on how RTE painted us and I hope it doesn't continue next year.
I was replying to a post, which was why I referred to such incidents. And the issue here is with Tyrone, not Dublin.
The boycott has nothing to do with Tyrones image. Since 2003, Harte's teams have been involved in numerous incidents, some which were dealt with, some that weren't. I've always maintained that even if Harte doesn't send his players out to carry out such deeds on the pitch, if he condones it afterwards, he may as well have instructed them to carry them out.
Tyrone should look at how they play the game, rather than moaning about this "poor us" mentality. Maybe if someone like Brolly had spoken out 10 years ago (like he did about the Cavanagh incident), the game wouldn't be the cynical game it is today.
The reason people are posting up stupid pictures and smiley faces is because your in so much pain about the success of Tyrone over the last decase or so, that it's funny. That can be the only reason you've neglected to mention any of the cynical behaviour of any of the other teams. To be honest I understand, it's the only thing that you can jump on as an Armagh man these days. The days of matching Tyrone on a pitch footballwise are gone, so you've reverted to trying to grasp to the only thing that's left for you. So work away if it makes you feel better about yourself or your county. But don't wonder why you get stupid answers when you ask stupid or one sided questions that display your bias.
Quote from: rrhf on October 09, 2013, 11:09:55 PM
Yes but how would that have stopped Meath or were they not cynical
Is that a rhetorical question?
Quote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2013, 08:17:22 AM
The reason people are posting up stupid pictures and smiley faces is because your in so much pain about the success of Tyrone over the last decase or so, that it's funny. That can be the only reason you've neglected to mention any of the cynical behaviour of any of the other teams. To be honest I understand, it's the only thing that you can jump on as an Armagh man these days. The days of matching Tyrone on a pitch footballwise are gone, so you've reverted to trying to grasp to the only thing that's left for you. So work away if it makes you feel better about yourself or your county. But don't wonder why you get stupid answers when you ask stupid or one sided questions that display your bias.
So, asking an opposing teams fans a legitimate question is being biased or one-sided?
The reason I'm getting those sort of replies, is because they can't defend their own teams actions, and they know it. So they post up pictures or resort to calling Armagh/Kerry posters bitter.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 10, 2013, 10:17:36 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2013, 08:17:22 AM
The reason people are posting up stupid pictures and smiley faces is because your in so much pain about the success of Tyrone over the last decase or so, that it's funny. That can be the only reason you've neglected to mention any of the cynical behaviour of any of the other teams. To be honest I understand, it's the only thing that you can jump on as an Armagh man these days. The days of matching Tyrone on a pitch footballwise are gone, so you've reverted to trying to grasp to the only thing that's left for you. So work away if it makes you feel better about yourself or your county. But don't wonder why you get stupid answers when you ask stupid or one sided questions that display your bias.
So, asking an opposing teams fans a legitimate question is being biased or one-sided?
The reason I'm getting those sort of replies, is because they can't defend their own teams actions, and they know it. So they post up pictures or resort to calling Armagh/Kerry posters bitter.
10 years on - asking the same queston about Jordan, does seem a tad biased and one sided?
I'm a firm believer that blaming other people for your own failings will never help you to improve. Armagh fans are so obessed with the idea that Jordan cost them that All Ireland, that they fail to consider what they themselves could have done better to win that game. Perhaps that cost you lot another all ireland. And by your previous posts earlier in the thread Benny, you are still deluded trying to argue that Armagh have been as successful as Tyrone since 2003. I'd say forget about Tyrone, focus on what Armagh can do to improve and maybe you just might get back to the levels of 2000-2005.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 10, 2013, 10:17:36 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2013, 08:17:22 AM
The reason people are posting up stupid pictures and smiley faces is because your in so much pain about the success of Tyrone over the last decase or so, that it's funny. That can be the only reason you've neglected to mention any of the cynical behaviour of any of the other teams. To be honest I understand, it's the only thing that you can jump on as an Armagh man these days. The days of matching Tyrone on a pitch footballwise are gone, so you've reverted to trying to grasp to the only thing that's left for you. So work away if it makes you feel better about yourself or your county. But don't wonder why you get stupid answers when you ask stupid or one sided questions that display your bias.
So, asking an opposing teams fans a legitimate question is being biased or one-sided?
The reason I'm getting those sort of replies, is because they can't defend their own teams actions, and they know it. So they post up pictures or resort to calling Armagh/Kerry posters bitter.
When you ask a question of one team but refuse to ask the same question of others then, yes it looks like Bias and one sidedness and pettiness and jealousy and last but not least, bitterness.
The reason you get the pictures is because it's obvious how much it has hurt to watch Tyrone have a successful decade. But chin up, KMG is back!!
Quote from: BennyCake on October 09, 2013, 10:48:50 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on October 09, 2013, 01:16:09 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 09, 2013, 01:08:09 PM
You Tyrone ones sure put up great arguments ::)
I thought you had to be over 12 to be a member on this board? Looks like we have a few under age.
22 pages of crying over a game which took place ten years ago and we're the immature ones? :P Ah lighten up. The moaning from Armagh and Kerry on this thread is a source of immense pleasure to Tyrone posters. It baffles me why ye all insist on continuing to post on it for that very reason, but I'm not complaining! Here's to the next 22 pages!! ;D
I'm not crying. I'm merely asking for a Tyrone perspective on the antics of Tyrone players, particularly Jordan. And it's not just about 2003 either. But of course, you all don't seem to be able to respond with a sensible reply. It's all been smiley faces and pictures of apples and the likes. That's why it's been running for 22+ pages.
Lots of people have responded. Particularly back in 2003. People pointed out that Marsden struck - which according to GAA rules, is a straight red. He only got it rescinded on a procedural technicality. But as I say, those arguments are ones we in Tyrone got over having with ye lot a decade ago. Meanwhile, Armagh lads are spending their time going online reminding Tyrone people just how bitter they are...so keep it up... :D :P
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QuoteArmagh lads are spending their time going online reminding Tyrone people just how bitter they are.
We will continue to remind Tyrone people of your bitterness, your hypocrisy and general cultural inferiority. :)
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 10, 2013, 10:55:35 AM
10 years on - asking the same queston about Jordan, does seem a tad biased and one sided?
I'm a firm believer that blaming other people for your own failings will never help you to improve. Armagh fans are so obessed with the idea that Jordan cost them that All Ireland, that they fail to consider what they themselves could have done better to win that game. Perhaps that cost you lot another all ireland. And by your previous posts earlier in the thread Benny, you are still deluded trying to argue that Armagh have been as successful as Tyrone since 2003. I'd say forget about Tyrone, focus on what Armagh can do to improve and maybe you just might get back to the levels of 2000-2005.
The issue wasn't just about Jordan.
The success thing, that was about 10 pages ago, and not the current issue.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2013, 11:00:43 AM
When you ask a question of one team but refuse to ask the same question of others then, yes it looks like Bias and one sidedness and pettiness and jealousy and last but not least, bitterness.
The reason you get the pictures is because it's obvious how much it has hurt to watch Tyrone have a successful decade. But chin up, KMG is back!!
The issue wasn't about other teams. It was about Tyrone.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 10, 2013, 11:52:21 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2013, 11:00:43 AM
When you ask a question of one team but refuse to ask the same question of others then, yes it looks like Bias and one sidedness and pettiness and jealousy and last but not least, bitterness.
The reason you get the pictures is because it's obvious how much it has hurt to watch Tyrone have a successful decade. But chin up, KMG is back!!
The issue wasn't about other teams. It was about Tyrone.
Your issue is Tyrone. That's obvious. But you don't dictate how people respond.
As a matter of interest how many of ye Armagh fans would say Kerry are or have been a dirty or cynical team over the years?
I was always amazed how many older men from various counties would tell me over the years how they felt Kerry were often painted as these cleaner than clean great footballers but when you watched them live in the flesh without the RTE influence you would see they knew how to rough teams up before they played their nice football.
Just ask any Cork man what he thinks of their style of play.
With Donegal last year breaking that mould of being a one hit wonder team in the 90's, I wonder will other counties like Derry & Armagh be able to rise above their doom & gloom and believe in themselves like McGuinness made his squad believe.
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Quote from: BennyCake on October 10, 2013, 11:52:21 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2013, 11:00:43 AM
When you ask a question of one team but refuse to ask the same question of others then, yes it looks like Bias and one sidedness and pettiness and jealousy and last but not least, bitterness.
The reason you get the pictures is because it's obvious how much it has hurt to watch Tyrone have a successful decade. But chin up, KMG is back!!
The issue wasn't about other teams. It was about Tyrone.
Your issue is Tyrone. That's obvious. But you don't dictate how people respond.
Er, well, it is a thread about Tyrone ::)
It's a thread about a certain game. You've decided to expand to bring in other Tyrone games and incidents within Tyrone games. Why you didn't expand to include other incidents including other teams? Seems to me you've got an issue with Tyrone? Personally I believe it's got less to do with the cynicism(That plenty of other counties are involved with), and more to do with your near neighbours out preforming you for the vast part of a decade. And that's why it's enjoyable for Tyrone supporters and the need to post pictures of decomposing apples.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 10, 2013, 12:57:35 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2013, 12:12:24 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 10, 2013, 11:52:21 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2013, 11:00:43 AM
When you ask a question of one team but refuse to ask the same question of others then, yes it looks like Bias and one sidedness and pettiness and jealousy and last but not least, bitterness.
The reason you get the pictures is because it's obvious how much it has hurt to watch Tyrone have a successful decade. But chin up, KMG is back!!
The issue wasn't about other teams. It was about Tyrone.
Your issue is Tyrone. That's obvious. But you don't dictate how people respond.
Er, well, it is a thread about Tyrone ::)
Eh, no is ain't. It's about a match. Thread title:
"10 Years Ago Today. Tyrone 0-12 Armagh 0-9"
Have we still no footage of the Marsden assault on Jordan?
I see the Bennycake meltdown is ongoing !
Quote from: BennyCake on October 10, 2013, 12:57:35 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2013, 12:12:24 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 10, 2013, 11:52:21 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2013, 11:00:43 AM
When you ask a question of one team but refuse to ask the same question of others then, yes it looks like Bias and one sidedness and pettiness and jealousy and last but not least, bitterness.
The reason you get the pictures is because it's obvious how much it has hurt to watch Tyrone have a successful decade. But chin up, KMG is back!!
The issue wasn't about other teams. It was about Tyrone.
Your issue is Tyrone. That's obvious. But you don't dictate how people respond.
Er, well, it is a thread about Tyrone ::)
Trueblue telling it as it is !
Did anything ever happen to McKeever that time he hoped off some fence to punch some lad on the pitch?
Who was that against and why wasn't he playing?
Quote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2013, 01:07:34 PM
It's a thread about a certain game. You've decided to expand to bring in other Tyrone games and incidents within Tyrone games. Why you didn't expand to include other incidents including other teams? Seems to me you've got an issue with Tyrone? Personally I believe it's got less to do with the cynicism(That plenty of other counties are involved with), and more to do with your near neighbours out preforming you for the vast part of a decade. And that's why it's enjoyable for Tyrone supporters and the need to post pictures of decomposing apples.
I brought up incidents to reply to a post, that was specific to Tyrone. That's where and why it started.
If that's what you believe, good for you. But you're wrong.
Quote from: BennyCake on October 10, 2013, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 10, 2013, 10:55:35 AM
10 years on - asking the same queston about Jordan, does seem a tad biased and one sided?
I'm a firm believer that blaming other people for your own failings will never help you to improve. Armagh fans are so obessed with the idea that Jordan cost them that All Ireland, that they fail to consider what they themselves could have done better to win that game. Perhaps that cost you lot another all ireland. And by your previous posts earlier in the thread Benny, you are still deluded trying to argue that Armagh have been as successful as Tyrone since 2003. I'd say forget about Tyrone, focus on what Armagh can do to improve and maybe you just might get back to the levels of 2000-2005.
The issue wasn't just about Jordan.
The success thing, that was about 10 pages ago, and not the current issue.
;D FFS - The match was 10 years ago, never mind 10 pages!
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 10, 2013, 01:57:20 PM
Did anything ever happen to McKeever that time he hoped off some fence to punch some lad on the pitch?
Who was that against and why wasn't he playing?
was he not carrying a water bottle onto the pitch- was doing water carrier and then there was an incident involving him and a kerry man.. or was that the guy Toal..
Quote from: BennyCake on October 10, 2013, 01:57:44 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on October 10, 2013, 01:07:34 PM
It's a thread about a certain game. You've decided to expand to bring in other Tyrone games and incidents within Tyrone games. Why you didn't expand to include other incidents including other teams? Seems to me you've got an issue with Tyrone? Personally I believe it's got less to do with the cynicism(That plenty of other counties are involved with), and more to do with your near neighbours out preforming you for the vast part of a decade. And that's why it's enjoyable for Tyrone supporters and the need to post pictures of decomposing apples.
I brought up incidents to reply to a post, that was specific to Tyrone. That's where and why it started.
If that's what you believe, good for you. But you're wrong.
That post was by Tony. Your in good company......
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 10, 2013, 01:57:20 PM
Did anything ever happen to McKeever that time he hoped off some fence to punch some lad on the pitch?
Who was that against and why wasn't he playing?
Always at something is that boy, if he spent as much time trying to play football he maybe one day could make a half decent player. Remember him at his antics against Louth this year when he was given a 4 week ban and he wasn't even playing that day.
Bennycake,
Looking over your posts through out this thread you really need to see some sense. The game was 10 years ago and it produced 10 years of dominance of Tyrone over Armagh yeilding 3 All - Irelands. Show a little graciousness would you and admit that Tyrone were full value for their success not because marsden got sent off, not because they cheated their way to 3 All-Irelands, not because so and so did this or that. The reality is that Tyrone won their 3 All-Ireland because they had a talented group of players who were the best in Ireland in the years that they won their All-Ireland titles. All the rest does come accross as nothing but bitterness.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 03:37:26 PM
Bennycake,
Looking over your posts through out this thread you really need to see some sense. The game was 10 years ago and it produced 10 years of dominance of Tyrone over Armagh yeilding 3 All - Irelands. Show a little graciousness would you and admit that Tyrone were full value for their success not because marsden got sent off, not because they cheated their way to 3 All-Irelands, not because so and so did this or that. The reality is that Tyrone won their 3 All-Ireland because they had a talented group of players who were the best in Ireland in the years that they won their All-Ireland titles. All the rest does come accross as nothing but bitterness.
I assume you could also show a bit of grace and admit that if a bit of luck had have went Armagh's way they might have won in 2005 and we would be sitting at 2 apiece. Still this is still old hat. It is next year that counts and I think Tyrone's chances of winning Sam next year are not much better than Armagh's.
Quote from: Throw ball on October 10, 2013, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 03:37:26 PM
Bennycake,
Looking over your posts through out this thread you really need to see some sense. The game was 10 years ago and it produced 10 years of dominance of Tyrone over Armagh yeilding 3 All - Irelands. Show a little graciousness would you and admit that Tyrone were full value for their success not because marsden got sent off, not because they cheated their way to 3 All-Irelands, not because so and so did this or that. The reality is that Tyrone won their 3 All-Ireland because they had a talented group of players who were the best in Ireland in the years that they won their All-Ireland titles. All the rest does come accross as nothing but bitterness.
I assume you could also show a bit of grace and admit that if a bit of luck had have went Armagh's way they might have won in 2005 and we would be sitting at 2 apiece. Still this is still old hat. It is next year that counts and I think Tyrone's chances of winning Sam next year are not much better than Armagh's.
While I wouldn't be thinking Tyrone are going to win Sam next year I would definitely be of the opinion that they are a lot more likely to win Sam than Armagh.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 10, 2013, 04:27:00 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on October 10, 2013, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 03:37:26 PM
Bennycake,
Looking over your posts through out this thread you really need to see some sense. The game was 10 years ago and it produced 10 years of dominance of Tyrone over Armagh yeilding 3 All - Irelands. Show a little graciousness would you and admit that Tyrone were full value for their success not because marsden got sent off, not because they cheated their way to 3 All-Irelands, not because so and so did this or that. The reality is that Tyrone won their 3 All-Ireland because they had a talented group of players who were the best in Ireland in the years that they won their All-Ireland titles. All the rest does come accross as nothing but bitterness.
I assume you could also show a bit of grace and admit that if a bit of luck had have went Armagh's way they might have won in 2005 and we would be sitting at 2 apiece. Still this is still old hat. It is next year that counts and I think Tyrone's chances of winning Sam next year are not much better than Armagh's.
While I wouldn't be thinking Tyrone are going to win Sam next year I would definitely be of the opinion that they are a lot more likely to win Sam than Armagh.
Geezer's back!!!!
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Quote from: Throw ball on October 10, 2013, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 03:37:26 PM
Bennycake,
Looking over your posts through out this thread you really need to see some sense. The game was 10 years ago and it produced 10 years of dominance of Tyrone over Armagh yeilding 3 All - Irelands. Show a little graciousness would you and admit that Tyrone were full value for their success not because marsden got sent off, not because they cheated their way to 3 All-Irelands, not because so and so did this or that. The reality is that Tyrone won their 3 All-Ireland because they had a talented group of players who were the best in Ireland in the years that they won their All-Ireland titles. All the rest does come accross as nothing but bitterness.
I assume you could also show a bit of grace and admit that if a bit of luck had have went Armagh's way they might have won in 2005 and we would be sitting at 2 apiece. Still this is still old hat. It is next year that counts and I think Tyrone's chances of winning Sam next year are not much better than Armagh's.
Luck had very little to do with canavans ability to hit frees under pressure or Joe Kernans inability to see the value of keeping McGeeney on the pitch. I have already stated my view that Armagh underachieved and should have won at least another All-Ireland. 2005 was not the year that they missed out on as Tyrone were playing their best football. Armaghs 2006 defeat to the mighty Fermanagh was the All-ireland they should have won
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 05:06:57 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on October 10, 2013, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 03:37:26 PM
Bennycake,
Looking over your posts through out this thread you really need to see some sense. The game was 10 years ago and it produced 10 years of dominance of Tyrone over Armagh yeilding 3 All - Irelands. Show a little graciousness would you and admit that Tyrone were full value for their success not because marsden got sent off, not because they cheated their way to 3 All-Irelands, not because so and so did this or that. The reality is that Tyrone won their 3 All-Ireland because they had a talented group of players who were the best in Ireland in the years that they won their All-Ireland titles. All the rest does come accross as nothing but bitterness.
I assume you could also show a bit of grace and admit that if a bit of luck had have went Armagh's way they might have won in 2005 and we would be sitting at 2 apiece. Still this is still old hat. It is next year that counts and I think Tyrone's chances of winning Sam next year are not much better than Armagh's.
Luck had very little to do with canavans ability to hit frees under pressure or Joe Kernans inability to see the value of keeping McGeeney on the pitch. I have already stated my view that Armagh underachieved and should have won at least another All-Ireland. 2005 was not the year that they missed out on as Tyrone were playing their best football. Armaghs 2006 defeat to the mighty Fermanagh was the All-ireland they should have won
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Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 05:06:57 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on October 10, 2013, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 03:37:26 PM
Bennycake,
Looking over your posts through out this thread you really need to see some sense. The game was 10 years ago and it produced 10 years of dominance of Tyrone over Armagh yeilding 3 All - Irelands. Show a little graciousness would you and admit that Tyrone were full value for their success not because marsden got sent off, not because they cheated their way to 3 All-Irelands, not because so and so did this or that. The reality is that Tyrone won their 3 All-Ireland because they had a talented group of players who were the best in Ireland in the years that they won their All-Ireland titles. All the rest does come accross as nothing but bitterness.
I assume you could also show a bit of grace and admit that if a bit of luck had have went Armagh's way they might have won in 2005 and we would be sitting at 2 apiece. Still this is still old hat. It is next year that counts and I think Tyrone's chances of winning Sam next year are not much better than Armagh's.
Luck had very little to do with canavans ability to hit frees under pressure or Joe Kernans inability to see the value of keeping McGeeney on the pitch. I have already stated my view that Armagh underachieved and should have won at least another All-Ireland. 2005 was not the year that they missed out on as Tyrone were playing their best football. Armaghs 2006 defeat to the mighty Fermanagh was the All-ireland they should have won
SkillfulBill, they're hard enough to listen to moaning about how they think they deserved to win in 2003 & 2005 without you encouraging them to think that they should have won in 2006 too! They'll be staking a claim for Rightful Team of the Decade before long if you keep this up!
Quote from: Nally Stand on October 10, 2013, 05:36:50 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 05:06:57 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on October 10, 2013, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 03:37:26 PM
Bennycake,
Looking over your posts through out this thread you really need to see some sense. The game was 10 years ago and it produced 10 years of dominance of Tyrone over Armagh yeilding 3 All - Irelands. Show a little graciousness would you and admit that Tyrone were full value for their success not because marsden got sent off, not because they cheated their way to 3 All-Irelands, not because so and so did this or that. The reality is that Tyrone won their 3 All-Ireland because they had a talented group of players who were the best in Ireland in the years that they won their All-Ireland titles. All the rest does come accross as nothing but bitterness.
I assume you could also show a bit of grace and admit that if a bit of luck had have went Armagh's way they might have won in 2005 and we would be sitting at 2 apiece. Still this is still old hat. It is next year that counts and I think Tyrone's chances of winning Sam next year are not much better than Armagh's.
Luck had very little to do with canavans ability to hit frees under pressure or Joe Kernans inability to see the value of keeping McGeeney on the pitch. I have already stated my view that Armagh underachieved and should have won at least another All-Ireland. 2005 was not the year that they missed out on as Tyrone were playing their best football. Armaghs 2006 defeat to the mighty Fermanagh was the All-ireland they should have won
SkillfulBill, they're hard enough to listen to moaning about how they think they deserved to win in 2003 & 2005 without you encouraging them to think that they should have won in 2006 too! They'll be staking a claim for Rightful Team of the Decade before long if you keep this up!
LOL........I think they were very unlucky in 07 & 09 as well. Seriously had they a different manager, had 15 better different players, wore a different strip say red and white and called themselves something other than Armagh they could have been very successful to.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 10, 2013, 04:27:00 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on October 10, 2013, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 03:37:26 PM
Bennycake,
Looking over your posts through out this thread you really need to see some sense. The game was 10 years ago and it produced 10 years of dominance of Tyrone over Armagh yeilding 3 All - Irelands. Show a little graciousness would you and admit that Tyrone were full value for their success not because marsden got sent off, not because they cheated their way to 3 All-Irelands, not because so and so did this or that. The reality is that Tyrone won their 3 All-Ireland because they had a talented group of players who were the best in Ireland in the years that they won their All-Ireland titles. All the rest does come accross as nothing but bitterness.
I assume you could also show a bit of grace and admit that if a bit of luck had have went Armagh's way they might have won in 2005 and we would be sitting at 2 apiece. Still this is still old hat. It is next year that counts and I think Tyrone's chances of winning Sam next year are not much better than Armagh's.
While I wouldn't be thinking Tyrone are going to win Sam next year I would definitely be of the opinion that they are a lot more likely to win Sam than Armagh.
I did say Tyrone had the better chance!
Firstly, I have to say that it is promising that after ten years some Tyrone posters (nrico2006, Fuzzman) can accept that Marsden was not acting maliciously and that Jordan was the antagonist and thus culpable for the incident in question.
Secondly, I would not be of the school of thought that Armagh would have definitely won that day if Diarmaid had have stayed on. I think on the day that the better team won. What I will say, is that your maiden victory was in my eyes, completely and totally tainted by Philip Jordan's unnecessary behaviour that day (diving is the preserve of over-paid soccer playing fannies - as is clapping a red card ie Gormley)
Finally, on the incident itself. To strike someone, normally you approach them and lean into them with the momentum of doing so being used to hurt them. Even a Tyrone poster kindly put a picture of the incident up. The man with the clenched fist is Jordan. Marsden doesn't even have a finger on him. Both players look as if they've been knocked back; Marsden from Jordan running at him and Jordan from his split second decision to dive and have an opposing player sent off.
This argument reminds me a lot of the Unionists, they argue that a black crow is white, when the whole world knows it's black. Is it not telling that Tyrone folk see things differently than 31 other counties?
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 05:06:57 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on October 10, 2013, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 03:37:26 PM
Bennycake,
Looking over your posts through out this thread you really need to see some sense. The game was 10 years ago and it produced 10 years of dominance of Tyrone over Armagh yeilding 3 All - Irelands. Show a little graciousness would you and admit that Tyrone were full value for their success not because marsden got sent off, not because they cheated their way to 3 All-Irelands, not because so and so did this or that. The reality is that Tyrone won their 3 All-Ireland because they had a talented group of players who were the best in Ireland in the years that they won their All-Ireland titles. All the rest does come accross as nothing but bitterness.
I assume you could also show a bit of grace and admit that if a bit of luck had have went Armagh's way they might have won in 2005 and we would be sitting at 2 apiece. Still this is still old hat. It is next year that counts and I think Tyrone's chances of winning Sam next year are not much better than Armagh's.
Luck had very little to do with canavans ability to hit frees under pressure or Joe Kernans inability to see the value of keeping McGeeney on the pitch. I have already stated my view that Armagh underachieved and should have won at least another All-Ireland. 2005 was not the year that they missed out on as Tyrone were playing their best football. Armaghs 2006 defeat to the mighty Fermanagh was the All-ireland they should have won
If you want to continue slagging at least get your facts right. Fermanagh beat Armagh in 2004. Armagh threw a lead away against Kerry in 2006. They were done by then though.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 03:37:26 PM
Bennycake,
Looking over your posts through out this thread you really need to see some sense. The game was 10 years ago and it produced 10 years of dominance of Tyrone over Armagh yeilding 3 All - Irelands. Show a little graciousness would you and admit that Tyrone were full value for their success not because marsden got sent off, not because they cheated their way to 3 All-Irelands, not because so and so did this or that. The reality is that Tyrone won their 3 All-Ireland because they had a talented group of players who were the best in Ireland in the years that they won their All-Ireland titles. All the rest does come accross as nothing but bitterness.
I've already stated Tyrone deserved to win both AI finals in 05 and 08. As for admitting Tyrone were full value for their AI win in 03, I can't, because I would be lying. They used every trick in the book that year (moreso than any other year).
Quote from: Throw ball on October 10, 2013, 06:10:28 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 05:06:57 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on October 10, 2013, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 03:37:26 PM
Bennycake,
Looking over your posts through out this thread you really need to see some sense. The game was 10 years ago and it produced 10 years of dominance of Tyrone over Armagh yeilding 3 All - Irelands. Show a little graciousness would you and admit that Tyrone were full value for their success not because marsden got sent off, not because they cheated their way to 3 All-Irelands, not because so and so did this or that. The reality is that Tyrone won their 3 All-Ireland because they had a talented group of players who were the best in Ireland in the years that they won their All-Ireland titles. All the rest does come accross as nothing but bitterness.
I assume you could also show a bit of grace and admit that if a bit of luck had have went Armagh's way they might have won in 2005 and we would be sitting at 2 apiece. Still this is still old hat. It is next year that counts and I think Tyrone's chances of winning Sam next year are not much better than Armagh's.
Luck had very little to do with canavans ability to hit frees under pressure or Joe Kernans inability to see the value of keeping McGeeney on the pitch. I have already stated my view that Armagh underachieved and should have won at least another All-Ireland. 2005 was not the year that they missed out on as Tyrone were playing their best football. Armaghs 2006 defeat to the mighty Fermanagh was the All-ireland they should have won
If you want to continue slagging at least get your facts right. Fermanagh beat Armagh in 2004. Armagh threw a lead away against Kerry in 2006. They were done by then though.
Apologies for getting my dates mixed up. Your right of course so that 06 one was a tad unlucky to then. You couldn't just tell us kerry beat Armagh it was them throwing it away again.
Quote from: general_lee on October 10, 2013, 06:09:09 PM
Firstly, I have to say that it is promising that after ten years some Tyrone posters (nrico2006, Fuzzman) can accept that Marsden was not acting maliciously and that Jordan was the antagonist and thus culpable for the incident in question.
Secondly, I would not be of the school of thought that Armagh would have definitely won that day if Diarmaid had have stayed on. I think on the day that the better team won. What I will say, is that your maiden victory was in my eyes, completely and totally tainted by Philip Jordan's unnecessary behaviour that day (diving is the preserve of over-paid soccer playing fannies - as is clapping a red card ie Gormley)
Finally, on the incident itself. To strike someone, normally you approach them and lean into them with the momentum of doing so being used to hurt them. Even a Tyrone poster kindly put a picture of the incident up. The man with the clenched fist is Jordan. Marsden doesn't even have a finger on him. Both players look as if they've been knocked back; Marsden from Jordan running at him and Jordan from his split second decision to dive and have an opposing player sent off.
This argument reminds me a lot of the Unionists, they argue that a black crow is white, when the whole world knows it's black. Is it not telling that Tyrone folk see things differently than 31 other counties?
Most other counties don't give a rats arss about it. Armagh people have being crying on about it for ten years and I am yet to hear anyone from the county call Marsden out for lifting his hands in an All-Ireland final and falling for Jordans gamesmanship. Marsden was experienced enough to know better and if it had have been a Tyrone man sent off I would have been livid with him for reducing us to 14 men. All this agro towards Jordan over the years only serves to excuse Marsden from his guilt in helping Tyrone to their first All-Ireland win. Thanks Dairmuid for your contribution to our success.
And don't forget Paul Galvin throwing a water bottle
Quote from: rrhf on October 10, 2013, 06:55:26 PM
And don't forget Paul Galvin throwing a water bottle
Or trying to hit the water boy Stephen O'Neill nearly crippled. ;D
Quote from: general_lee on October 10, 2013, 06:09:09 PM
Firstly, I have to say that it is promising that after ten years some Tyrone posters (nrico2006, Fuzzman) can accept that Marsden was not acting maliciously and that Jordan was the antagonist and thus culpable for the incident in question.
Secondly, I would not be of the school of thought that Armagh would have definitely won that day if Diarmaid had have stayed on. I think on the day that the better team won. What I will say, is that your maiden victory was in my eyes, completely and totally tainted by Philip Jordan's unnecessary behaviour that day (diving is the preserve of over-paid soccer playing fannies - as is clapping a red card ie Gormley)
Finally, on the incident itself. To strike someone, normally you approach them and lean into them with the momentum of doing so being used to hurt them. Even a Tyrone poster kindly put a picture of the incident up. The man with the clenched fist is Jordan. Marsden doesn't even have a finger on him. Both players look as if they've been knocked back; Marsden from Jordan running at him and Jordan from his split second decision to dive and have an opposing player sent off.
This argument reminds me a lot of the Unionists, they argue that a black crow is white, when the whole world knows it's black. Is it not telling that Tyrone folk see things differently than 31 other counties?
Going by this board back in 2003 I'll think you'll find that's not true. From my memory it was split between people saying Marsden was correctly sent of and others arguing he wasn't. It was far from 31 counties thinking he was hard done by. Bit closer to 50 50.
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 11, 2013, 11:16:56 AM
Quote from: general_lee on October 10, 2013, 06:09:09 PM
Firstly, I have to say that it is promising that after ten years some Tyrone posters (nrico2006, Fuzzman) can accept that Marsden was not acting maliciously and that Jordan was the antagonist and thus culpable for the incident in question.
Secondly, I would not be of the school of thought that Armagh would have definitely won that day if Diarmaid had have stayed on. I think on the day that the better team won. What I will say, is that your maiden victory was in my eyes, completely and totally tainted by Philip Jordan's unnecessary behaviour that day (diving is the preserve of over-paid soccer playing fannies - as is clapping a red card ie Gormley)
Finally, on the incident itself. To strike someone, normally you approach them and lean into them with the momentum of doing so being used to hurt them. Even a Tyrone poster kindly put a picture of the incident up. The man with the clenched fist is Jordan. Marsden doesn't even have a finger on him. Both players look as if they've been knocked back; Marsden from Jordan running at him and Jordan from his split second decision to dive and have an opposing player sent off.
This argument reminds me a lot of the Unionists, they argue that a black crow is white, when the whole world knows it's black. Is it not telling that Tyrone folk see things differently than 31 other counties?
Going by this board back in 2003 I'll think you'll find that's not true. From my memory it was split between people saying Marsden was correctly sent of and others arguing he wasn't. It was far from 31 counties thinking he was hard done by. Bit closer to 50 50.
Anyone I've ever talked about that incident with, which would include folk from about 6 or 7 counties, there's been a consensus, Marsden was 100% in the right, Jordan was 100% in the wrong and the sending off was 100% undeserved.
Fair enough. I'd have the opposite experience, but I suppose that's understandable considering where I'm from.
I am getting a bit bored now with this thread but I have noticed not many Armagh posters will come on and say what exactly they think DID happen.
I mean most of ye say Jordan ran at Marsden and then Jordan dived.
I'm curious then how many of ye will say that Marsden did strike out at him and there was definite contact?
Was it with a closed fist or an open hand?
Was there no contact at all like general lee is saying? - "Didn't lay a finger on him"
I would have thought if someone was coming charging at you then you would put your two hands out in front of you to deflect them away from you so they fall to the ground or something like that.
From my memory, Marsden lifts his fist up and swings out at him. I would like to see it again though to remind myself.
It really is amazing how a county like Armagh who for years played the game on the edge and often grinded teams down using their physicality, that some of their fans are still blaming Jordan for them losing that AI.
Would you say Tadg Kennelly's AI medal is tainted as well then when he admitted to taking out the man that day. It sounds like it was a lot more pre-mediated that the Jordan incident.
Blanket, did these guys think there was contact?
I tried to find a video of the incident online the otherday but could only get a camera angle which missed the actual incident.
Fuzzman, I stated a few pages ago what happened in the Jordan/Marsden incident.
You use the word "physicality". I suppose Armagh were a physically built team then. But using your strength to "grind down" a team is not against the rules of the game.
It's not all about Jordan feigning injury, it's that the officials were conned by his actions. I admit Tyrone probably played the better "football" (not much football was played, it was a poor game) that day, but it's not always that the better team wins. Even with 14 men, had Stevie scored that goal, we could've forced a replay, or even won it. So, I don't think you can say, ah sure Tyrone would've won anyway. Football is a strange game, and the better team can sometimes end up being heartbroken by a late lapse in concentration or flukey goal.
We could continue this conversation until 2023, the fact is I, like all Armagh fans, believe Marsden shouldn't have been sent off. Tyrone fans, most of them anyway, would say otherwise. Although I do welcome posts saying that Jordan was the instigator, he made a meal of it, what was Marsden supposed to do? etc.
By the way, I do think Kennelley's medal is tainted. I'm sure he doesn't care though, and neither does Jordan.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 05:06:57 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on October 10, 2013, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 03:37:26 PM
Bennycake,
Looking over your posts through out this thread you really need to see some sense. The game was 10 years ago and it produced 10 years of dominance of Tyrone over Armagh yeilding 3 All - Irelands. Show a little graciousness would you and admit that Tyrone were full value for their success not because marsden got sent off, not because they cheated their way to 3 All-Irelands, not because so and so did this or that. The reality is that Tyrone won their 3 All-Ireland because they had a talented group of players who were the best in Ireland in the years that they won their All-Ireland titles. All the rest does come accross as nothing but bitterness.
I assume you could also show a bit of grace and admit that if a bit of luck had have went Armagh's way they might have won in 2005 and we would be sitting at 2 apiece. Still this is still old hat. It is next year that counts and I think Tyrone's chances of winning Sam next year are not much better than Armagh's.
Luck had very little to do with canavans ability to hit frees under pressure or Joe Kernans inability to see the value of keeping McGeeney on the pitch. I have already stated my view that Armagh underachieved and should have won at least another All-Ireland. 2005 was not the year that they missed out on as Tyrone were playing their best football. Armaghs 2006 defeat to the mighty Fermanagh was the All-ireland they should have won
wasnt that 2004. Also, Paul McGranbes inability to pick a ball from the ground cost us in that semifinal too
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 11, 2013, 11:34:38 AM
I am getting a bit bored now with this thread but I have noticed not many Armagh posters will come on and say what exactly they think DID happen.
I mean most of ye say Jordan ran at Marsden and then Jordan dived.
I'm curious then how many of ye will say that Marsden did strike out at him and there was definite contact?
Was it with a closed fist or an open hand?
Not many Armagh posters have contributed to the thread because it's old ground now and it has been debated to death over the last 10 years. There has only been one Armagh poster who has tried to argue with the usual Tyrone posters on this thread and found it to be a waste of time. I appreciate you are trying to genuine here Fuzzman but too many of your county colleagues want to turn it into the normal bunfight. Suffice to say it is really only Tyrone people that put any defence up for Jordan.
If i was being serious about the incident, I'd admit that both parties where to blame - but to say it was 100% Jordan and 0% Marsden is just nonsense. Yes Jordan ran over to him and was probably the instigator (however, it is unclear what Marsden was doing to upset Jordan so much - I've never seen Jordan react like that before or since that incident, in what turned out to be a very long career spanning alot of high profile matches) but Marsen lifted his hands into Jordan's face. If Jordan was rushing at him at the threatening pace claimed by Armagh lads on here, any impact on his face would have caused him to go down, so I do not agree that he feigned injury - therefore in my opinion he didnt cheat, it was the refs call to send Marsden off. If you claim Marsden did absolutely nothing wrong, then in my opinion this is just blind loyalty. I may accept that each were 50-50 to blame, but I'm amazed that never, in 10 years, have i heard an Armagh person, in any way, apportion any blame to Marsden. This is why as a Tyrone man, I will always back Jordan in this incident - call it blind loyalty if you wish.
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Quote from: ONeill on October 11, 2013, 03:03:04 PM
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That's the spit of Big Paul Grimely.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 11, 2013, 03:12:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 11, 2013, 03:03:04 PM
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That's the spit of Big Paul Grimely.
Actually laughing my head off because it is his double. Good spot.
Was that him as a baby with his wee hat on or after he heard Brolly's mouthful about him last year.
He's not as green as some managers though.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 06:51:37 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 10, 2013, 06:09:09 PM
Is it not telling that Tyrone folk see things differently than 31 other counties?
Most other counties don't give a rats arss about it. Armagh people have being crying on about it for ten years and I am yet to hear anyone from the county call Marsden out for lifting his hands in an All-Ireland final and falling for Jordans gamesmanship. Marsden was experienced enough to know better and if it had have been a Tyrone man sent off I would have been livid with him for reducing us to 14 men. All this agro towards Jordan over the years only serves to excuse Marsden from his guilt in helping Tyrone to their first All-Ireland win. Thanks Dairmuid for your contribution to our success.
Anyone I have
ever spoken to outside of Tyrone has sided with Marsden.
The agro is fully deserved by the way. A blatant act of cheating that tainted Tyrone's maiden victory. So well done Phillip on making a dick of yourself that day. That's what you'll be remembered for in that game.
Also from your last sentence you seem to think the incident itself was the winning and losing of the game, which most Tyrone folk deny (and I agree believe it or not).
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 11, 2013, 11:34:38 AM
I'm curious then how many of ye will say that Marsden did strike out at him and there was definite contact?
Was it with a closed fist or an open hand?
Was there no contact at all like general lee is saying? - "Didn't lay a finger on him"
I would have thought if someone was coming charging at you then you would put your two hands out in front of you to deflect them away from you so they fall to the ground or something like that.
From my memory, Marsden lifts his fist up and swings out at him. I would like to see it again though to remind myself.
You are now mincing my words. What I said was that if you look at the picture that was posted a few pages back, Marsden doesn't have a hand on Jordan, which is clear for all to see. It is Jordan who has the clenched fist.
Of course contact was made. Jordan ran at him like a deranged idiot, and Diarmaid put his hands up. Both of them. He didn't swing. I was at the game and remember it clear as day. I have never seen someone swing with both hands (or fists) simultaneously.
Whether he caught him in the face is irrelevant because it was an instinctive reaction and there was no malice, unlike Jordan. The subsequent theatrics led to White, who did not see the incident nor consulted his officials, sending Marsden off.
I must run at a few boys some night outside Hagan's to see what reaction I get :D
Quote from: Nally Stand on October 09, 2013, 01:16:09 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 09, 2013, 01:08:09 PM
You Tyrone ones sure put up great arguments ::)
I thought you had to be over 12 to be a member on this board? Looks like we have a few under age.
22 pages of crying over a game which took place ten years ago and we're the immature ones? :P Ah lighten up. The moaning from Armagh and Kerry on this thread is a source of immense pleasure to Tyrone posters. It baffles me why ye all insist on continuing to post on it for that very reason, but I'm not complaining! Here's to the next 22 pages!! ;D
If this thread reaches 50 pages Nally, i'm going to eat an apple........
Laughable sour auld bastards
Quote from: general_lee on October 11, 2013, 06:53:54 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 06:51:37 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 10, 2013, 06:09:09 PM
Is it not telling that Tyrone folk see things differently than 31 other counties?
Most other counties don't give a rats arss about it. Armagh people have being crying on about it for ten years and I am yet to hear anyone from the county call Marsden out for lifting his hands in an All-Ireland final and falling for Jordans gamesmanship. Marsden was experienced enough to know better and if it had have been a Tyrone man sent off I would have been livid with him for reducing us to 14 men. All this agro towards Jordan over the years only serves to excuse Marsden from his guilt in helping Tyrone to their first All-Ireland win. Thanks Dairmuid for your contribution to our success.
Anyone I have ever spoken to outside of Tyrone has sided with Marsden.
The agro is fully deserved by the way. A blatant act of cheating that tainted Tyrone's maiden victory. So well done Phillip on making a dick of yourself that day. That's what you'll be remembered for in that game.
Also from your last sentence you seem to think the incident itself was the winning and losing of the game, which most Tyrone folk deny (and I agree believe it or not).
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 11, 2013, 11:34:38 AM
I'm curious then how many of ye will say that Marsden did strike out at him and there was definite contact?
Was it with a closed fist or an open hand?
Was there no contact at all like general lee is saying? - "Didn't lay a finger on him"
I would have thought if someone was coming charging at you then you would put your two hands out in front of you to deflect them away from you so they fall to the ground or something like that.
From my memory, Marsden lifts his fist up and swings out at him. I would like to see it again though to remind myself.
You are now mincing my words. What I said was that if you look at the picture that was posted a few pages back, Marsden doesn't have a hand on Jordan, which is clear for all to see. It is Jordan who has the clenched fist.
Of course contact was made. Jordan ran at him like a deranged idiot, and Diarmaid put his hands up. Both of them. He didn't swing. I was at the game and remember it clear as day. I have never seen someone swing with both hands (or fists) simultaneously.
Whether he caught him in the face is irrelevant because it was an instinctive reaction and there was no malice, unlike Jordan. The subsequent theatrics led to White, who did not see the incident nor consulted his officials, sending Marsden off.
I must run at a few boys some night outside Hagan's to see what reaction I get :D
This is the most laughable nonsense yet.
Firstly, your using a still photo as evidence as to whether Marsden struck Jordan? Really? So nothing could have happened either side of the split millisecond in that photo?
Secondly, of course it matters if he caught him in the face ffs!
O`Neill its time to lock this thread it starting to get embarrassing
Just one more apple pic?
Quote from: general_lee on October 11, 2013, 06:53:54 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on October 10, 2013, 06:51:37 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 10, 2013, 06:09:09 PM
Is it not telling that Tyrone folk see things differently than 31 other counties?
Most other counties don't give a rats arss about it. Armagh people have being crying on about it for ten years and I am yet to hear anyone from the county call Marsden out for lifting his hands in an All-Ireland final and falling for Jordans gamesmanship. Marsden was experienced enough to know better and if it had have been a Tyrone man sent off I would have been livid with him for reducing us to 14 men. All this agro towards Jordan over the years only serves to excuse Marsden from his guilt in helping Tyrone to their first All-Ireland win. Thanks Dairmuid for your contribution to our success.
Anyone I have ever spoken to outside of Tyrone has sided with Marsden.
The agro is fully deserved by the way. A blatant act of cheating that tainted Tyrone's maiden victory. So well done Phillip on making a dick of yourself that day. That's what you'll be remembered for in that game.
Also from your last sentence you seem to think the incident itself was the winning and losing of the game, which most Tyrone folk deny (and I agree believe it or not).
Quote from: Fuzzman on October 11, 2013, 11:34:38 AM
I'm curious then how many of ye will say that Marsden did strike out at him and there was definite contact?
Was it with a closed fist or an open hand?
Was there no contact at all like general lee is saying? - "Didn't lay a finger on him"
I would have thought if someone was coming charging at you then you would put your two hands out in front of you to deflect them away from you so they fall to the ground or something like that.
From my memory, Marsden lifts his fist up and swings out at him. I would like to see it again though to remind myself.
You are now mincing my words. What I said was that if you look at the picture that was posted a few pages back, Marsden doesn't have a hand on Jordan, which is clear for all to see. It is Jordan who has the clenched fist.
Of course contact was made. Jordan ran at him like a deranged idiot, and Diarmaid put his hands up. Both of them. He didn't swing. I was at the game and remember it clear as day. I have never seen someone swing with both hands (or fists) simultaneously.
Whether he caught him in the face is irrelevant because it was an instinctive reaction and there was no malice, unlike Jordan. The subsequent theatrics led to White, who did not see the incident nor consulted his officials, sending Marsden off.
I must run at a few boys some night outside Hagan's to see what reaction I get :D
General Lee, he didnt't consult his umpires? Thought you remembered it clearly?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NASQbXQOFw
9 Minute 17 Seconds.
So, have Armagh never knocked anyone out of the Championship with a dodgy decision?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a4JItFEA84
Quote from: ONeill on February 02, 2014, 12:26:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a4JItFEA84
Cheers O'Neill
I have only watched the first 20 minutes but it's very good.
Mrs Brolly is very sharp.
and the Kevin McAleer stuff was priceless.